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Good evening and welcome to the August

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25th, 2026 select board meeting. I'd

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like to welcome everyone both here in

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the room and virtually. It's nice to see

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a crowd.

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Um, our first order of business on our

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agenda is our public comment. Um, and I

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just want to refresh everybody uh with

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the uh guidelines that we use since it's

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been a while. Um, we ask that any public

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comment not be on the agenda that's here

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tonight. Um, we also ask that you keep

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it to two minutes. We do ask that you

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state your name and where you live.

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Um and um I usually take no more than

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five so that the meeting doesn't go too

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late into the evening. Um saying that uh

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why don't we start in the room? Raise

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your hands.

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>> Sure.

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>> Um my name is Katherine Habberly and I

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live at Indian Ridge Road in Stoke,

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Massachusetts.

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>> Welcome, Catherine.

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So, um I work with a group of people um

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who are concerned about the use and

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regulation of automatic license plate

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readers such as flock cameras. Um I'm

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the only one here tonight, but it's a

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number of us um in Mayard and Instead,

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uh we thank the police chief for taking

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down the cameras while a stronger policy

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can be constructed. We strongly believe

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that citizen input is needed to ensure

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that the rights of the citizens of Stowe

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and all who pass through our town are

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protected while ensuring the safety of

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all. We'll be following up with the

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chief via email on next

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steps regarding this complex issue. We

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also request that the select board

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dedicate a future meeting for more

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detailed townwide discussion of ALPR use

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and technology.

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>> Thank you.

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Please,

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>> Linda Hathway, 76 Crescent Street.

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>> Hi,

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>> Town Cliff Board of Registers of Voters.

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And I'm here to report a little bit

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about early inerson early voting. Um,

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tonight it ended at 7:00. Tomorrow will

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be 8:30 to 4:00, Thursday 8:30 to 7:00,

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and Friday 8:30 to noon. And as of 6:00

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tonight, we've had 91 people vote in

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person. Um, we've mailed out, 1122

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ballots to those who wanted vote by

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mail. I want to see 572 more come back

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before

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primary day. Um, so about half of them

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been returned. So, um, please get those

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back in as soon as possible so that we

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can get them processed. And just to give

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some other statistics, there's 5,774

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registered voters total. Of those we

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have 783 listed as inactive and how

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became inactive is failure to return the

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census forms and of um of that number

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324 were inactivated for failure to

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return the census form in May. So you

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might show up at the on election day or

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during early voting and you'd be

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inactive, need to show ID, we need to

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fill out forms. Um, but if you find that

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census form between now and election

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day, mail it in and I can take care of

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that. So anyway, we're we're pleased

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with what our turnout and the request

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for a primary for a midterm. So, um, all

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the information is online if anybody

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wants to look online for it and then

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we're going from there. Any questions?

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>> No. Good.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Sure.

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>> Very informative.

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[clears throat] Um, anybody else in the

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room seeing and hearing none? Anybody

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online have their hands raised?

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» Not that I see.

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>> Okay. Well, then we'll move on. Uh,

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[clears throat] board member updates.

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Hector,

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>> I recently found [clears throat] out

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that a longtime member of the fire

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department and DPW, Tim Gray, has

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retired, even though he wasn't

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necessarily a full-time fire member.

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After 44 years of service for the town

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of Stowen, I wanted to take a moment to

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thank him and recognize him for his long

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service to this town. He is a lifetime

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member and I think we should consider

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recognizing people that have served the

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town for a long time and whenever they

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leave employment,

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whatever the reason, at least giving

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them some a thanks at the very least.

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>> Okay,

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>> that's all I had.

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>> All right,

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>> nothing [snorts] from me.

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I just wanted to it's back to school

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season, so I want to welcome all the

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teachers and families and students um

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[clears throat]

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back to school in the promise of a new

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school year and hope it's uh off to a

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good start for everyone.

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>> Nothing for me as of yet.

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>> Okay. Um and [clears throat] just

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piggybacking on that, uh remember school

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zones are active 20 miles per hour. Mhm.

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>> Um, and we have them right on 117, so

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be aware.

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>> Otherwise, Officer Butler is going to

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pull you over [laughter] cuz

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>> he gets them all out there. Just saying.

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>> And when they see his car, they stop for

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people in the crosswalk.

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>> I can guarantee that. [laughter]

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>> It's one of my favorite things about

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where my house is is every time you pull

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someone over for going fast through that

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area, it's right in front of my house. I

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get to watch the show. [laughter]

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>> Well, thanks for the due diligence,

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Officer Bob. [laughter]

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the only other thing I just wanted to

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mention, uh, is, um, I had the

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opportunity to go to the police, uh,

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night out.

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>> Um, again, it was a great time. Um,

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at first we were disappointed that the

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helicopter wasn't going to be able to

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make it because they got called out to

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an emergency. Kind of important

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>> uh for life flight. Um, but then uh they

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were actually able to. So, um I want to

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send out a shout out to them uh for

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making that effort as well as our um

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public safety officers and for our chief

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um and um Miss Dwire for really setting

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this up and making a successful

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enjoyable evening. Once again,

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that's mine.

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>> Town administrator's report.

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Uh thank you. Um well to piggyback on

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public safety, I would like to recognize

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the work of our public safety

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departments for two serious incidents

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that we've had since our last meeting.

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Uh the first one was a car accident on

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July 27th uh on Gleon at Treaty Elm. Um

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and the second one was just a few days

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later when we had a missing person at

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the Delaney property. So police and fire

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did tremendous work that week

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especially. Uh I just want to thank them

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and all of their department members for

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um how they proceeded on both of those

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incidents. Uh the work on the Crescent

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Street sidewalks project will be

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wrapping up. Uh so folks should pay

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attention to any detours that are still

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in place while they finalize that. The

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Hudson Road 117 signalization project

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has gotten underway. Um so you will see

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some detours, road shifts there while

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they're working. Uh we do expect that

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project to wrap up by November. So

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hopefully they'll really be plugging

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along over the next few months.

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Uh the Mast's Academy is wrapping up. Um

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they will be finishing up their uh grand

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opening is three weeks from today. Three

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weeks. Um Rich Odell from Masters will

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be at our next meeting to give a final

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update um on their school. Uh I had

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another tour today. It is amazing how

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much work they've gotten done just in

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since the last time I went there. Um

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they are actively planning their ribbon

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cutting ceremony and we expect it to be

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a great event

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um this weekend. Not that anyone needs

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to do work in this building, but the

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town building parking lot will be paved,

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but then we'll be able to reopen our

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front entrance while we redo the front

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doors. So, the front doors are part of

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that. Um, but the new ramp looks

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beautiful out there. Um, and once they

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get the parking lot paved and striped,

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we'll get that back open.

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>> Will the parking lines be less confusing

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now?

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>> Yes. [laughter]

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>> Trying for years to get that to be less

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confusing. Well, hopefully. um speaking

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of paving, the current current paving

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schedule um

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is scheduled to fluctuate, uh we were

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expecting Boxboro Road to be paved next

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week. It looks like it might be paved

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the end of this week. So, Hudson and

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Boxboro are next up to be finished. And

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then within the next few weeks, we have

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Apple Blossom, Treaty Elm, Evelyn, and

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Common Road will be the paving. Um and

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then I think the last thing I have for

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you tonight is my office hours. My

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monthly office hours will resume next

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week. Um on Wednesday and for September,

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I am holding them at Duncan. Um so

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[snorts] change of scenery. Uh we've had

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some concerns about people having to

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come in and sign into the community

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center. So um I will be at Duncan for

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September's um 9:30 to 11. Um and I

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think that's everything today.

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>> Okay. Well, thank you.

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Um moving right along. Uh, next thing on

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our agenda, it's always kind of fun, is

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our appointments. Um, and I'll take a

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motion.

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>> I move to appoint Michael Jordan to the

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Local Access Channel Advisory Committee

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through June 30th, 2028.

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>> Second. And motion has been made and

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seconded. Is Michael here?

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>> Yes.

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>> Hi.

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>> Would you like to say anything, Michael?

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>> Um, yes. I'm very grateful for the

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opportunity to serve on the committee.

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Um, I'm a passionate believer in local

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media. I have been for for a long time.

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Um, I think it's great for the community

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to be involved, uh, to be informed. I

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think it's great for the sometimes the

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students, the local bands that we that

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we promote on the thing. And I think it

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also serves a very useful purpose for,

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um, some of the volunteers who go on to,

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you know, film school and stuff like

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that. So, it's like a triple win, I

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think. Um, I've personally been involved

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with local media since I was, I think,

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17. I did an internship for the local

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radio station of my town back in back in

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England. Um, and I've also worked with

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STO TV for almost 20 years at this

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point. So, I I do feel I have the

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experience for this.

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>> I I would say so.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Um, any comments or questions from the

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board?

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>> Thank you.

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>> Yes. Thank you for stepping up. I think

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it's wonderful. Um, seeing and hearing

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none, all those in favor?

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>> I the record show it's unanimous.

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Congratulations. Thank you.

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>> Um, we'll take the next motion.

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>> I move to appoint Robert Norton to the

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historical commission for a term ending

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June 30th, 2029.

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>> Second.

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>> Motion has been made and seconded. Is

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Robert here?

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>> So, this is a reappoint. Um, we just did

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not have his code of conduct. So, we did

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get that and now he's been back on for

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appointment. So, I don't I don't see him

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on.

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>> Okay. Uh, then all those in favor of

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reappointing Robert Norton to the

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historical commission.

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>> I the record show it's unanimous and

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we'll take the next appointment motion.

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>> I move to appoint Laura Dao to the

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recreation commission for a term ending

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June 30th, 2027.

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>> Second.

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[laughter]

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>> Gave you an opportunity.

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>> Made and seconded. And Laura is on Zoom.

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>> Sure. Laura, would you like to speak?

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» No, no comment. Just saying hi and

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looking forward to working with some of

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the folks that I got to know a couple of

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years ago.

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>> All right, great. Any questions from the

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board?

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>> All right, seeing hearing none, all

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those in favor?

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>> I I

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hope show it's unanimous. Thanks, Laura.

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We appreciate all of your effort

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and congratulations.

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[clears throat] I'll take the final.

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>> I move to appoint Ans Ishvak to the

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position of constable for the town of

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Stow for a term ending June 30th, 2029.

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I hope I pronounced that correctly.

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>> Yes, that's Thank you.

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>> Okay. [laughter]

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>> Hi, An. Would you like to say anything?

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>> Yes. Uh I just want to say thank you so

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much for the opportunity and um I look

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forward to you know um represent the

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town of Stow in a you know good manners

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and a respectful way and um um I make

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sure everything goes how it's supposed

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to be

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>> great

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>> thank you

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>> any questions comments for anything from

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anyone right seeing and hearing none all

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those in favor I

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>> let the record show it's unanimous

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congratulation

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>> thank you

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Okay.

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So,

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the next portion is our public hearing.

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>> Can't open it yet. It's not 7:30,

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correct?

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>> Um, so what we can do is we can bounce.

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Um, and we'll that's what we'll do.

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We'll bounce. So,

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>> Kelly, remember when I said you were

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going to be after the game?

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>> Yeah, I Hello. Hi. Hi. Hi. All right.

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I'm just going to stand if that's okay.

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All right. So, um, my name is Kelly

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Lawler. I'm a resident in Stow. I live

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at 22 Kettle Plane Road. Um, and I'm

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also an organizer, founder of Rediscover

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Maple. Thank you so much for having me

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here today. Um, the mission of

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Rediscover Maple is to preserve the

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historical significance of Maple Country

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Club at Stowacres. Um the organization

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aims to maintain the site in its

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historical context using a conservation

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restriction to keep the land undeveloped

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for golf use as long as um it remains

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economically feasible. Um so rediscover

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Maple, we kind of got started at the

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library um as most good organizations

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do. Um and we asked community members to

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come out and and talk about Robert H.

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Hawkins and Maple Country Club. And a

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lot of people came out and said that

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they wanted to to help tell this story.

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and Dave Carlson from Stowacres, general

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manager um at Stowacres is here with a

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traveling exhibit. So we work every year

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to um fund raise and to receive grant

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monies. Um I do need to thank a lot of

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people. Freedom's Way National Heritage

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Area, the Mass Cultural Council, Stow

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Cultural Council, Lancaster Cultural

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Council, they have funded helped us fund

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part of this project. Um so we have

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worked with historical consultants um

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for the past three to four years. Um,

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and they were the same historical

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consultants that put signs on the

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course. So, you can go to Stowacres

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today. You can golf. You can walk on the

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Maple Trail thanks to our conservation

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department. Um, and you can go check out

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the signs at hole 1 2 9 and 12 for

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anybody who's a regular golfer out

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there. Um, and so this is one of our

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banners um for our traveling exhibit.

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They're pretty easy um to put up and

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mobile. So, we have already secured um

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multiple locations for these traveling

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exhibits free of charge um to the town

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of Stow. So, we have um three buildings

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in town. Uh the town building, the

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library, the council on aging um and

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we'll be at all of those um places

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locations in the next few weeks and

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starting September 1st. And then after

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September, Roberty Hawkins was also a

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manager of Sandy Burr Country Club. And

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so the Whan Museum has secured our

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traveling exhibit for October. If you

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know Major Taylor and Worcester, it's a

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small museum. We will be there for

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November. And the traveling exhibit will

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come back to Stowe to local schools.

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Hail Middle School. We're going to do a

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presentation um to middle school

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students in December. Um that's all the

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places that we've booked for this year.

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Um, and we also can continue to book in

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2027. We also do a fundraiser every

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year, a golf tournament which is

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happening this Saturday at 1:00.

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And um, anyone can come out at golf and

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attend our 100th year anniversary gala.

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Um, I know many of the people in this

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room have have heard this spiel before.

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Um, but it's a really wonderful day, a

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wonderful night celebrating 100 years of

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history right here in Stow. What got me

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interested in the history was that I

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didn't I hadn't heard about it, but

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there's so many people on the historical

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commission on the Stow Historical

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Society that had known about this

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history and had been researching it for

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years. Um, so we're just here kind of

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pulling it together to tell the story to

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a broader larger audience. Does anyone

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have any questions? Because

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>> I don't know if it's appropriate. Could

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you just like this first I've heard of

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it in a sentence. What is Maple Dale?

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>> Yeah. So, um, back

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>> inappropriate.

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>> No, it's completely appropriate. Yeah.

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Um, in 1926,

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the Randall Farmstead, which was owned

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by John, Dr. John Whit Randall, it was

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able to be purchased by Robert H.

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Hawkins, a black entrepreneur who had

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been a general golf manager at Sandy

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Burke Country Club. And so, he really

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started black golf. So during the Jim

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Crow era in the 1920s, Robert Hawkins

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emerged as a leading figure of black

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golf locally right here in Stow and

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nationally. And so what kind of got me

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interested in this history is it's not

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really in our history books in Stowe.

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It's in some national

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um newspapers. Um it's in black

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African-American newspapers. Um it it is

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in some golf history books, right? But

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it doesn't all get tied together because

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of Jim Crow era and because of

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restrictions against black Americans. So

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this is connecting um this first panel

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is all about Robert H. Hawkins um and his connections here. He was born in

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Adams, Massachusetts in 1888. Um he

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passed away in the 70s in Tukesbury,

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Massachusetts. Um and so this is all

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connecting local golf. If you guys know

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George Franklin Grant, he created the

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first golf tea in Arlington,

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Massachusetts. Their select board um

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they gave a citation for him um just a

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few years ago. Um and then John Shippen

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was the pro at Shady Rest Country Club

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in New Jersey. So what connects Robert

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H. Hawkins local to national is he was

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also the co-founder of the United

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Golfers Association. Um, and so that was

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the national organization that had um a

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Negro National Tournament. You can see

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that um bought that Pittsburgh Courier

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article. Um, Hawkins was called the

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father of Negro Golf. Um, in the UG they

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had the first national tournaments and

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they happened here at Stow Acres, which

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was called Maple a 100red years ago. So,

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[snorts] we are just trying to connect

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the dots for everybody, tell a um local

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story, and then connect to more of the

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national story, and that's what we're

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here to sell. Dave, do you want to talk

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about anything?

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>> Just knocked it out of the park. That's

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what [laughter]

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>> So, you asked about Maple Bell. It is

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the what uh on the front nine of the

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south course is currently. So, not the

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entirety of it. It was uh maybe

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twothirds of the property of the of the

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front nine of the south. So that nine

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holes that he built, like they opened in

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1926,

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he bought it in 1926, built the

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nine-hole golf course and had the

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National Black Championship on this

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9-hole golf course that year.

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>> And and and no, he's not renting

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Caterpillar trucks and

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>> and bulldozing land. So you can imagine

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kind of like what they were playing on

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was was farmland. Uh

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>> no, it certainly seems like history that

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should be uh celebrated and

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communicating. like there's people in

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Stow that don't been here for 30 years

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been playing golf my whole life and I've

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never never heard of them certainly been

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over to Stowers

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thank you Yep. So we've worked with

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historical conser consultants we have um

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a multicultural multi-racial board

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committee board um we've made a lot of

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partnerships um and we do give part of

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our proceeds of our golf tournament to

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the urban golf club in Boston and the UG

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which still is around today.

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>> Great. Well, Kelly, [clears throat] um

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the select board um actually has a

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proclamation for you. Um but I'm not

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going to give it to you tonight.

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[laughter] You're going to get it at the

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gala. Okay,

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>> sounds good. Sounds good.

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>> But I would like to read it.

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And the proclamation is in the

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recognition of the 100th anniversary of

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the Maple Country Club. Whereas in 1926,

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Robert Hawkins founded Maple Country

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Club in the town of Stow, establishing

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what is recognized as one of the first

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golf courses created specifically to

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welcome black golfers during an era when

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racial segregation and discrimination

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denied them access to many courses

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throughout the United States. And

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whereas Robert Hawkins vision,

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determination, and commitment to

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equality created not only a golf course,

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but a place of opportunity, dignity, and

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community, making Maple a landmark in

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both STO's history and the broader story

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of African-American recreation and civil

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rights. And whereas the town of Stow

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proudly recognizes the outstanding

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efforts of Rediscover Maple, whose

557
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volunteers have worked tirelessly to

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preserve, research, and share the

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remarkable history of the Maple Country

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Club through educational programs,

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community events, partnerships, and

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historic preservation initiatives,

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ensuring that this extraordinary legacy

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will be remembered by future

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generations. And whereas through its

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dedication to preserving this history,

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rediscover Maple has strengthened

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community pride, promoted historical

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understanding, and brought well-deserved

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recognition to one of Stow's most

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significant cultural and historic

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landmarks. Now therefore, the Stow

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Select Board hereby recognizes the 100th

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anniversary of Maple Country Club,

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honoring the vision and legacy of Robert

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Hawkins and celebrating a century of

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history, perseverance, inclusion,

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recreation, and community. The select

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board extends its sincere appreciation

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to rediscover Maple for its unwavering

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commitment to preserving and sharing the

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story of Maple Country Club, ensuring

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that Robert Hawkins pioneering legacy

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and the course's enduring impact on the

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town of Stowe and the Commonwealth of

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Massachusetts will continue to inspire

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generations to come. signed this day,

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the 25th of August, 2026, by all members

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of the Select Board of Stow,

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Massachusetts.

591
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>> Would you like a motion on that?

592
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[snorts and laughter]

593
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» Sure. Is that one sentence? [laughter]

594
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>> I move to approve and sign a

595
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proclamation honoring the 100th

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anniversary of Maple Country Club and

597
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Rediscover Maple.

598
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>> Second.

599
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>> Motion's been made and seconded after

600
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the reading. Any other comments?

601
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>> Thank you.

602
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>> All those in favor?

603
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>> Yeah, there you [laughter] go.

604
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>> Hi.

605
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>> CONGRATULATIONS.

606
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[applause]

607
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» Very interesting.

608
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Okay. Um

609
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» [snorts]

610
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[clears throat]

611
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» Um, can we just find out what the script

612
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is with the raised hand if I didn't

613
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realize someone was there for me?

614
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>> I don't know who they are. There's no

615
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name associated. I can ask them to

616
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unmute. I don't know if they're

617
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associated with the project.

618
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» [snorts]

619
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>> Zumba.

620
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» It's f It's not a public hearing for

621
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that section, so it's up to you.

622
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» Okay. Uh we still have the third time.

623
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So um why don't we move down to um the

624
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right to defeat ALS Saturday. Um

625
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Mike uh

626
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is Mike.

627
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>> Uh yes. Uh no I don't think so. Let me

628
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see.

629
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>> No I don't think so. Um he has not come

630
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the last few years. We've been doing

631
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this for a long time. It's fairly

632
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standard. So

633
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>> Okay.

634
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Um, sure. Take a motion on that, please.

635
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>> I move to approve the use of STO public

636
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ways for the 2026 ride to defeat ALS

637
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bike ride on Saturday, September 19th,

638
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2026 from 7:00 a.m. until 2:00 p.m.

639
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event manager Mike Farer, pending

640
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receipt of the certificate of liability

641
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insurance, which I think we now have.

642
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>> Second.

643
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>> Any questions, comments? Seeing [snorts]

644
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hearing none, those in favor? Hi.

645
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,679
>> Okay.

646
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Um,

647
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» I've got five minutes. Chief, do you

648
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think you could do the gun range in

649
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,750
five?

650
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» Try again.

651
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,480
>> Maybe the policy.

652
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,480
>> Yeah, the policy. Maybe. Yeah,

653
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,679
>> let's do the policy.

654
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:17,919
>> Okay.

655
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:21,440
I'll take Is there a motion?

656
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,110
>> Yes.

657
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,440
presentation first or what are we doing?

658
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,640
>> Um, no, let's open it up and then uh

659
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,799
we'll have the chief speak. So, do your

660
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motion first.

661
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,039
>> Okay.

662
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>> I move to approve the new policy 7.10

663
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crowd control and training as presented

664
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by the police chief.

665
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:46,799
» Ryan second.

666
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,720
>> Uh, it's been moved and seconded. Uh,

667
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,760
chief.

668
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,240
>> All right. So going really quickly, this

669
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um policy brings us up to the standards

670
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put out by police reform and post uh

671
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requiring how we train also how we

672
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respond to large um you know lawful or

673
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unlawful gatherings. Um we typically

674
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don't have them here in Stow but in case

675
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we do there are certain guidelines that

676
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we have to follow. Um mainly some of the

677
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,360
new responses are we don't use K9s, we

678
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don't use um some other tactics um that

679
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prior police departments have used in

680
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the past and basically uh we have to

681
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train on this every single year. So it

682
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just brings us those standards and I

683
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presented them to you to read for a

684
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couple months ago and that's essentially

685
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what it is.

686
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[clears throat]

687
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,360
>> Okay. Does anybody have any questions at

688
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all on policy?

689
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,470
>> No.

690
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,240
» It's fine with you have the chance to

691
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,840
review it and everything. So,

692
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,399
>> okay.

693
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:54,640
>> I appreciate your continued work on this

694
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,279
list.

695
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,039
>> Yes.

696
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:58,799
>> Kelly, thank you very much, Lieutenant.

697
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:00,355
>> Or is [clears throat] that you,

698
00:29:00,355 --> 00:29:00,960
[laughter]

699
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,679
>> Kelly? Thank you.

700
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:05,279
>> Slugging through it this time. I was

701
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:07,200
like saying it just like, "Oh, poor

702
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,919
Kelly is going through." So, thank you

703
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:13,120
very much. Um, and it was quite thorough

704
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,640
and I thought clear as well. So, which I

705
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,320
appreciate.

706
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,960
Um, especially for others that have to

707
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,840
read it

708
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,039
>> on the forest. So, great job.

709
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,640
>> Okay. Seeing in hearing, no other

710
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520
comments. All those in favor? I

711
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,600
>> Let the record show it's unanimous.

712
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:38,149
Thank you, Chief.

713
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:40,640
There's several seats.

714
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,760
>> Yeah.

715
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:55,510
>> Please

716
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,480
back

717
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,070
two back there.

718
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,320
You

719
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:13,830
>> okay? You okay? Yeah.

720
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,399
» There is one more if you'd like it, sir.

721
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:17,919
>> I'm happy to stand.

722
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:28,710
>> I see better.

723
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,520
Really short.

724
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,120
>> You can start reading the public hearing

725
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,480
notice if you'd like. That might take.

726
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,320
>> Yeah.

727
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,640
>> Okay. Notice [clears throat] is hereby

728
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,120
given under chapter 138 of the general

729
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,919
laws that Wedgwood Country Club of Stow

730
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:45,200
Inc. 215 Harvard Road Stow Stow Stow Stow Stow Stow Stow Stow

731
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,840
has applied for alteration of licensed

732
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,640
premises of their liquor license. The

733
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,360
alteration includes the addition of

734
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,960
outdoor areas including the patio, snack

735
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,440
shack, tiki bar, pool area, and all 154

736
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,120
acres of the 18hole golf course to the

737
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,480
existing licensed premises. A public

738
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,039
hearing will be held on the license

739
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,600
change of premises on Tuesday, August

740
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,960
25th, 2026 at 7:30 p.m. in the Stow Town

741
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,559
building, 380 Great Road, Stow, Mass,

742
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,360
which was posted in the action unlimited

743
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,520
August 7th, 2026.

744
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,000
I will ask for a motion, and this does

745
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,840
take a roll call.

746
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,720
I move to enter the public hearing for

747
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200
Wedgwood Country Club.

748
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,880
>> Second.

749
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,519
>> Hector.

750
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,440
>> I

751
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,159
>> Dan

752
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:44,559
>> I.

753
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:45,200
>> Brian

754
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,600
>> I.

755
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,559
>> And the chair votes I. It is unanimous.

756
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,960
The [snorts] hearing is open. I do just

757
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,679
want to uh make a couple of comments

758
00:31:55,679 --> 00:32:02,389
um for everybody that is here. Um,

759
00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:04,799
we're going to ask that you keep your

760
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,440
comments to two minutes.

761
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:13,200
And this hearing pertains strictly to

762
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,840
the license.

763
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,399
It is not dealing with the permitting

764
00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:21,039
for events or anything else. That's in

765
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,799
the planning board's purview. So we will

766
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:29,919
keep focused narrowly into the lensure

767
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:32,720
um and the expansion that's being

768
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,080
requested. Okay. Um, I'm going to ask

769
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,399
that anybody that does speak, um, that

770
00:32:42,399 --> 00:32:44,880
once you have spoken,

771
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,720
if there's others that wish to speak,

772
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,640
I'm going to recognize them first, um,

773
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,919
before going back. And if I deem that

774
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:57,440
the information that's being stated is a

775
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,919
repeat of others, I may say we've

776
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:01,840
actually already heard that. [snorts]

777
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,080
Okay, everybody understands the ground

778
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,279
rules?

779
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:09,360
And all comments are to be made to the

780
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,399
chair and to this board, not to anybody

781
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:15,679
else that is in the room.

782
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:17,760
Okay.

783
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,039
All right. With that, I'm going to ask

784
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,440
uh the applicant to to introduce

785
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,559
themselves and to offer any comments.

786
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,640
Whether it's yourselves or an attorney

787
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,640
or both, that's fine.

788
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,960
>> Thank you. I'll start. Um, are you okay

789
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,559
if I sit here or should I stand

790
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,679
somewhere for Okay, thank you. Um, good

791
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:40,000
evening. Kristen Scanland for the Lency

792
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,080
Wedgewood Country Club. Um, I'm a

793
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,840
licensing and permitting attorney doing

794
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,679
work all throughout Massachusetts. With

795
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:49,519
me this evening is uh Stacy Pirino Paige

796
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,720
and her brother Joe uh Pirino who are

797
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,399
the owners of the country club. I know

798
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:57,039
the board is familiar um with the owners

799
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,120
in the country club alike. As you know,

800
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,600
we're here before you this evening for

801
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,559
an application to alter the premises of

802
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:08,320
the existing country club um to

803
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,480
encompass the whole of the said club and

804
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,480
the golf course, which includes all the

805
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,000
outdoor areas of the 154 acre golf club,

806
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,639
including a patio outside the existing

807
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,359
clubhouse, a snack shack, pool area, and

808
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:24,399
again the um hole of the 18hole golf

809
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:26,960
course. First and foremost, um while I

810
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,159
was not the um attorney of record at the

811
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,960
hearing in July, uh I am familiar with

812
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,760
the discussion that um did occur did

813
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,399
occur at that time and the lency does

814
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:41,119
appreciate um the thorough discussion

815
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:42,879
and ultimately the provisional amendment

816
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:44,560
that was granted at that time as they

817
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,960
did receive this particular application

818
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,879
that's formally here before you tonight

819
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:51,440
to alter the premises. Um as the board

820
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,040
I'm sure is aware, this particular golf

821
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,320
to alter the license, not the premises.

822
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,040
Correct.

823
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,200
>> Alter the description of the premises of

824
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,040
on the the face of the license.

825
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,480
>> Just so it's clear.

826
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,839
>> Yes. Thank you.

827
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:06,480
>> Um

828
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,640
>> you're not bringing bulldozers in and

829
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,680
>> No. No. So, and and and that's a good

830
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,680
point which I was going to get to as

831
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,079
well is that um

832
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,960
the I I've been doing this somewhat for

833
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,280
15 years and just for discussion

834
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,800
purposes

835
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,200
what I've even seen in my practice and

836
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,920
longer um which the golf course has been

837
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,560
in existence as a lency longer than that

838
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,400
the better part of 25 years the golf

839
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,599
course has been there for the better

840
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:40,320
part of 30 years um is that the um level

841
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,599
of detail that is um accepted and or now

842
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,920
required on the face of a liquor license

843
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,000
to describe the premises has definitely

844
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,240
evolved to air on the side of caution so

845
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:57,359
that it is explicitly described and I do

846
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:01,839
think part of um you know it it wasn't

847
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:04,480
intentional but this license is so old

848
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,599
the generation old that it's always been

849
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,359
issued and reissued issued year after

850
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,200
year with the original description of

851
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,440
the premises that was described in the

852
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,359
early 2000s and unfortunately has never

853
00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:19,760
um evolved with I think what both

854
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,839
municipalities including the town of

855
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:24,800
Stowe and the ABCC now requires for

856
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,800
newer clubs and newer licenses of any

857
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,400
kind whether it's under section 12 or

858
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,320
section 15. So, with that being said, I

859
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,320
know there's been frank um uh and

860
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,839
plentiful discussion on the um

861
00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:40,800
requirement to amend the license so that

862
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280
it does come into compliance with what

863
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,960
is required of not only the town and the

864
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,119
ABCC, but to truly describe um all areas

865
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,305
under the license premises where

866
00:36:51,305 --> 00:36:54,480
[snorts] the lency would serve or sell

867
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,320
alcohol, which is what we're here to do

868
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,359
today. So, it's a little bit of a a

869
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:01,359
distinction from, I think, what you

870
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:03,760
might regularly see under an application

871
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,280
to alter a premises. They're not

872
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,200
actually adding a building or adding

873
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,200
acreage or adding square footage to the

874
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,040
license. We're merely asking to um uh

875
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,599
comply obviously with what's required of

876
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:18,320
them and fully and sufficiently describe

877
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,800
um the areas that they've um been in

878
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,599
operation that the board is aware of so

879
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,520
that um they can move forward in full

880
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,560
compliance with that um being said. So

881
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,280
unlike you know adding again adding

882
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,760
additional square footage adding acreage

883
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,240
anything like that we don't think there

884
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,560
is any impact whatsoever as far as um

885
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,560
you know public safety traffic parking

886
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,880
noise is concerned um which you might

887
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,200
otherwise um take further into

888
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,760
consideration if they truly were adding

889
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,240
um square footage to their to their

890
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,720
overall operations. That being said,

891
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,040
certainly happy to answer any questions

892
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,800
or address any concerns the board might

893
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,270
have specific to this application.

894
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,960
» Are there any questions or comments from

895
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,230
the select board to the applicant?

896
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,240
» I a question.

897
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,760
>> Sure. Would you just for the purposes of

898
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,440
the public describe how what the

899
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,240
regulations say about the use of alcohol

900
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:27,839
on golf courses? What the baseline is

901
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:29,599
>> in respect

902
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,640
>> generally just not specific to the any

903
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,960
golf course but just what the law says

904
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,599
about the use of alcohol on golf

905
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,920
courses. So it because it falls under a

906
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,320
section 12 even though it's specific to

907
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,480
golf courses. I know there's um

908
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,839
>> well people don't necessarily know it's

909
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:46,560
section 12.

910
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,200
>> Sorry, excuse me. Yes. So section 12 is

911
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,800
considered um any alcohol that is served

912
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,440
on premises. So, an applicant that comes

913
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,240
before you to uh have a restaurant or

914
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,320
specifically pour and serve alcohol to

915
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,359
somebody while they're on their

916
00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:03,359
premises, which is distinct from a

917
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:06,000
package store or a wine shop, which is a

918
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,240
section 15 license where you can go and

919
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,240
purchase a license and it's specifically

920
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,720
for off- premises consumption by the

921
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,800
purchaser or the customer. They cannot

922
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000
pour on premise as long as it is

923
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,960
specifically described on the license

924
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,480
which is part of the discussion we're

925
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,599
here uh today or this evening for to put

926
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,839
on the face of the license. They are

927
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:32,400
able to serve anywhere including within

928
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,920
um

929
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,760
the 18 holes of the course. So,

930
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,920
uh, drink carts, for instance, that's

931
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,079
allowed and accepted through the ABCC

932
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,960
and golf courses across Massachusetts.

933
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,240
It's obviously distinct and and special

934
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,240
to golf courses. You're not seeing that

935
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,520
even at, you know, a large format. Um,

936
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,839
>> actually, the exception is given in

937
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:58,800
section 12, chapter 138. It's an actual

938
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,720
statute that gives it specifically to

939
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:01,599
golf courses.

940
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,280
>> Right. Right. um because of the unique

941
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,680
>> nature nature and environment of the

942
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,800
business itself.

943
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,200
>> Right?

944
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,200
>> So that exception was actually brought

945
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,920
out within Mass General Law.

946
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,400
>> Right. [snorts]

947
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,440
>> That was what my question was all about.

948
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,800
You finally got it. Okay.

949
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,960
>> Okay. Any other questions from the

950
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,720
board? Okay. Seeing and hearing none uh

951
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,760
at this point in time. Um, if there are,

952
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,680
let me know. Um, are there questioners,

953
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,160
comments from the public in attendance,

954
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,589
either in person or via Zoom?

955
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,079
» Yes.

956
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:47,440
Here, come up.

957
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,200
>> No. From there, I just ask that you

958
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,440
state your name and where you are and

959
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,520
>> Sure. Thank you. My name is Anthony

960
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,400
Paramea. I reside at 52 Whispering Way

961
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,400
with my wife, two daughters, and two

962
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,800
dogs. We lived in Stow to be 20 years

963
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,200
this coming January. Um,

964
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,880
in addition to being a resident, I am a

965
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,960
member at Wedgwood Pines for the past

966
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,520
five years. I know Joe and Stacy well.

967
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,040
So, I just wanted to say a few words

968
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,520
about my opinion in terms of how they

969
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,359
run the operation and so forth. But

970
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:19,839
before I do that, um, in addition to

971
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:22,800
living in a resident, um, I've got a we

972
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,200
rent an office down 118 Great Road in my

973
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,280
company that I own and operate. It's our

974
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,880
headquarters down there. So we have a

975
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,119
small suite at that the chiropractor

976
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:34,160
over there. So and I'm also a trustee on

977
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,720
the HOA in Wildlife Woods. So I'm sort

978
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,400
of a vested member in the community

979
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,560
here. Um and you know just wanted to say

980
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,319
a few words about about this. Oh and by

981
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:46,079
the way when I first moved here in 07 I

982
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:47,520
was on the fincom committee associate

983
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,440
member for a year. Um these guys are

984
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,440
solid people. They run a really good

985
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,960
operation. Um high character. Joe's at

986
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,599
the course every morning at 5:00 working

987
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,000
the machinery and making you know things

988
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,640
happen for the course and um that sort

989
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,760
of work ethic is scarce I feel these

990
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,040
days generally speaking um and in a town

991
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,599
like Stow right my business I've been

992
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,000
there for six years and you know like

993
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,200
117 isn't isn't great it's sort of like

994
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,079
when you look at Hudson it's like it's just not a great thriving area so

995
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:25,359
the few businesses you know we're

996
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:26,640
fortunate to have the school coming

997
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,880
online at the old Bose campus, but

998
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,400
there's not a lot of businesses in town

999
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,800
that are like sort of thriving and

1000
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,480
providing tax revenue. And that's

1001
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,560
important. Agnostic of what personal

1002
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,280
opinions may be, we have economic

1003
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,920
obligations to fund pensions and police

1004
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,240
departments and so forth. And in a

1005
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,520
growing environment of few, I think it's

1006
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,960
important, especially when you have

1007
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,720
someone like um

1008
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,400
>> sir,

1009
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,359
how is this? It would be great if this

1010
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:58,319
could just be awarded and done for

1011
00:42:58,319 --> 00:42:59,680
because they're they're hardworking

1012
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,000
people. They operate a business here for

1013
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,640
over 25 years and um and they've really

1014
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,960
done it without any issue. So, I just

1015
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,079
wanted to provide that character

1016
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:09,359
reference. Thank you.

1017
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:11,599
>> Thank you for the comments. Is there

1018
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:15,520
anybody else in the room?

1019
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,280
Um

1020
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,160
doesn't matter. I'd like my my lawyer

1021
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,920
speak John speak from my behalf.

1022
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,520
Good evening, Mr. Chair. Uh my name is

1023
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,960
John McDermott. I'm an attorney. I

1024
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960
represent Warren and Sarah Drewitz, 92

1025
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,920
Dunster Drive. Um I I'll keep my remarks

1026
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,599
brief as the board does have several

1027
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,200
letters from our office uh speaking to

1028
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,440
this application and this applicant. Um

1029
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,200
but briefly I would just summarize to

1030
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,119
say that uh those letters we've

1031
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,079
submitted uh to the board and uh which

1032
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:45,440
some of which were included in the

1033
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,200
board's agenda packet for its July 15th

1034
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,920
meeting um really speak to a pattern of

1035
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,280
behavior by the applicant directly

1036
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,440
relevant uh to this application uh

1037
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,880
particularly with regard to noise uh

1038
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,359
noise and outdoor events uh that

1039
00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:02,720
>> sir that is not our perview. It is our

1040
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,760
purview to the extent that the the

1041
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,160
liquor license has an impact on noise is

1042
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,670
within our purview.

1043
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,090
» So it has to do with the alcohol use

1044
00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:15,599
[clears throat] contributing to noise.

1045
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,040
So I do think we have to not music

1046
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,800
necessarily, but it does affect noise.

1047
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,520
That's the way I read it.

1048
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,599
If I'm wrong, [snorts] we've got two

1049
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:29,920
attorneys here in town council and I

1050
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,430
will eat crow if necessary.

1051
00:44:32,430 --> 00:44:33,680
>> [sighs]

1052
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,160
>> Um okay let's continue

1053
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,800
>> uh and noise as it relates to among

1054
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,240
other factors that the licensing

1055
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,240
authority considers the sort of

1056
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,319
operation that carries the license and

1057
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:48,560
the reputation of the applicant. And so

1058
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,839
I believe that uh particularly those

1059
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:53,760
events that have been detailed in our uh

1060
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,040
July 15th uh and August 20th letters uh

1061
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,760
as well as a June 29th letter that we

1062
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,040
submitted uh which was included in the

1063
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,839
board's agenda packet really describe uh

1064
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:07,119
the adverse impact that noise has on

1065
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,040
members of the community. Uh and so

1066
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,720
certainly it's uh my client's position

1067
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:13,359
that the expansion of this license uh

1068
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:14,960
particularly given the conversation and

1069
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,280
I was present at the board's July 15th

1070
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,280
hearing uh really I think speaks

1071
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,400
adversely uh to the reputation of the

1072
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,000
applicant to hold a license. Certainly

1073
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,119
it's nothing personal. It's nothing

1074
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,800
about their business operations. Uh and

1075
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,720
I wouldn't want to suggest that. I would

1076
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,520
suggest to the board that uh those

1077
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,000
events with their frequency particularly

1078
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,560
recently uh do speak to whether or not

1079
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,319
this application should be granted. And

1080
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:40,160
my my closing comment would just be for

1081
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,319
the record uh that I believe the board

1082
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,640
may well be remiss in limiting its

1083
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,640
discussion concerning permits granted by

1084
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,319
other boards. Thank you.

1085
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:55,760
Okay.

1086
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,079
Tomato tomato. Um, you say,

1087
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,200
>> "Excuse me, sir."

1088
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,880
>> Sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry. Martin Golden

1089
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,319
Blat been in town since 2009.

1090
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:07,040
We um we live on Cider Mill off of

1091
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,359
Harvard, right across from the Country

1092
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:10,880
Club.

1093
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,319
>> Is that sufficient?

1094
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:12,880
>> I'm sorry.

1095
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,359
>> Is that sufficient? Is that okay? Okay.

1096
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:17,680
>> But you need to direct your comments to

1097
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,560
>> Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. You're right.

1098
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,520
Um, it's it's admirable that you get up

1099
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,280
at 5:00 in the morning and start your

1100
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,079
machinery. It's also obnoxious and wakes

1101
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:29,599
me up and I hear it.

1102
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,040
>> Excuse me.

1103
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,599
>> So,

1104
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:32,319
>> again, [laughter]

1105
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:35,119
you need to focus your comments here,

1106
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:35,680
>> okay?

1107
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,560
>> Not there.

1108
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:43,440
>> Okay. The noise that comes from the golf course starts very early in the

1109
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,599
morning and I can hear on the weekends

1110
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,280
and it's admirable that people are

1111
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,960
getting out trying to do the lawn before

1112
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,599
people go and play golf, but it is

1113
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,400
extremely annoying. Second is people

1114
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,000
when they're going to the golf course,

1115
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,000
it's almost a joke, they [clears throat]

1116
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,599
accelerate because they're late for

1117
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,440
their tea time. And I'm concerned that

1118
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,550
when you grant this license,

1119
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,640
» I'm just voicing my concerns. Thank you.

1120
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,079
>> Well, I'd just like to respond that

1121
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,800
traffic noise associated with

1122
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,960
maintenance is not what we can talk

1123
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,960
about. Our are we're limited to the

1124
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,880
outcome. my first time at this. I'm

1125
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,640
>> No, that's okay. I just wanted people to

1126
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,520
understand [cough and clears throat] why

1127
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,280
we may not be responding to those.

1128
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,960
>> Okay. Just responding to something that

1129
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,440
came before.

1130
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,640
>> Um I think you had your hand up first,

1131
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,520
so please.

1132
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,599
>> Well, Janet Moffett, I live on Harvard

1133
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,760
Road. Um our backyard is a couple acres

1134
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,240
away from one of the TE's and we live

1135
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,599
right after a a very steep curb by West

1136
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:52,720
School. And my question well concern is

1137
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,640
the golf course is in the middle of a

1138
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,240
residential area and as a result I feel

1139
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,800
like that needs to be taken into cons

1140
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,800
consideration about uh unlimited alcohol

1141
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,720
use available on the golf course. If uh

1142
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,119
if you know Harvard road at all, you

1143
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:14,480
know it's pretty windy. Um

1144
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,200
and and I do worry about the

1145
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,680
consequences. I'm also really curious

1146
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,000
what is the tiki bar

1147
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,800
>> that's listed on our

1148
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,200
uh special

1149
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,760
public notice

1150
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,640
>> not notice

1151
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,480
>> um I believe and I the they can correct

1152
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,079
me but I believe that is um set up where

1153
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,230
their pool is.

1154
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,280
» Is that correct?

1155
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,079
>> Yes. It also says

1156
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:49,440
pool area

1157
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,680
>> separate from tiki bar. So I wasn't sure

1158
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,839
if they were two separate things or

1159
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:56,240
>> nope. It's kind of all encompassing in

1160
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:57,920
an open air area. That's typically what

1161
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,760
a tiki bar is. Um

1162
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,280
good evening. Uh Tom McGillicuy live at

1163
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,520
corner of October Lane and uh Harvard

1164
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,640
Road. I'm that neighbor of uh Wedgewood

1165
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,319
Pines. Been in town not that long, 30

1166
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:15,520
years.

1167
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,880
Uh I have not seen or heard any of the

1168
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,839
uh instances people have raised. No

1169
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:23,599
issues with noise, no issues with

1170
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,520
traffic. I know that's not the purview

1171
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,319
of today's discussion. Um I would like

1172
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:31,200
to make a general comment that um

1173
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,520
understanding all of the revenue that we

1174
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,680
get in town that goes to schools and the

1175
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,480
m municipal services ultimately come

1176
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,960
from private companies either directly

1177
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,760
or through the citizens in town. It's

1178
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,400
incumbent on us to do everything we can

1179
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,720
to help small business, which is the

1180
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,440
lifeblood of of our economy, to be

1181
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,359
successful. And um I would just like to express my view that this is our

1182
00:49:57,359 --> 00:49:59,520
opportunity as a board to do that within

1183
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,040
the purview of the legal requirements um

1184
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,359
set out so eloquently by the by the

1185
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:06,800
attorney. So, thank you.

1186
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,079
>> Thank you.

1187
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:09,119
>> Yes. [clears throat]

1188
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:15,119
>> Douglas Moffett, 185 Harvard Road. Um,

1189
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:16,960
having a liquor license for the

1190
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,800
clubhouse seems perfectly

1191
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,960
straightforward, even for the patio

1192
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,559
outside, even for the pool or tiki bar.

1193
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,359
But I'm I'm a little concerned about

1194
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:31,599
having carts driving around the 18 holes

1195
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,640
of the golf course selling liquor to

1196
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,079
golfers. My experience of golfing has

1197
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,319
been you play your 18 holes and then you

1198
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:43,680
go to the 19th hole bar at the clubhouse

1199
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,000
and have your drinks.

1200
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,839
Anyway, I I I've heard rumors that

1201
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:53,645
that's already been going on. Um

1202
00:50:53,645 --> 00:50:56,640
[snorts] not wild about that idea. I

1203
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,920
would I would appreciate it if it were

1204
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,040
defined when they re redefined the

1205
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,680
premises for the liquor license that it

1206
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,599
doesn't permit them to drive all over

1207
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:12,950
the course selling liquor to golfers.

1208
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,549
Okay.

1209
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,240
Um

1210
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,559
you have not spoken yet in the pink

1211
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:21,119
shirt.

1212
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,760
>> Uh Chris Boucher. I lived at 44 Silvin

1213
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,880
Drive for 14 years. recently moved uh

1214
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,640
over to Heritage. At the end of the day,

1215
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,240
I never had any issue with noise

1216
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,319
whatsoever. And frankly, the club, one

1217
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:34,000
of the reasons I stayed in Stow and

1218
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,920
continue to pay the taxes to be close to

1219
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,000
the So,

1220
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,880
>> okay, thank you.

1221
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,839
>> Um,

1222
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:46,720
>> uh, Sean Gity, uh, 17 Wedgwood Road. Um,

1223
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,040
really I got two questions, I guess. So,

1224
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,160
it looked like there was supposed to be

1225
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,640
a site plan that showed where the liquor

1226
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,640
license was to expand for and I didn't

1227
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,160
see it. And so, I guess my first

1228
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,240
question is I'm not a member. Is there a

1229
00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,839
lifeguard at the pool or people going to

1230
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:02,319
be drinking while swimming? How is that

1231
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:04,319
risk mitigated? And then

1232
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:07,200
>> that's not up to us.

1233
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,400
>> Okay. So, it's a I guess a concern then

1234
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,880
of emergency services having to respond

1235
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:13,839
to

1236
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:15,520
>> potential injuries. we have the

1237
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,680
emergency services in town if there's an

1238
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:18,400
issue.

1239
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,440
>> I I agree. But okay, so we don't care

1240
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,920
that people drink in and pool. Um and

1241
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,119
then the second question, I guess, is uh

1242
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:28,720
as a golfer, right? We've all seen

1243
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:30,480
people who are over served on a golf

1244
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,559
course and I guess my question is what

1245
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:34,400
mechanism is in place when a cart comes

1246
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,000
by and interacts with someone for uh a

1247
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,760
minute and a half to determine that

1248
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,000
person has been over served? so that

1249
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,559
when my wife is jogging on the road, uh,

1250
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,000
this person doesn't come who's over

1251
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,670
served and get my wife.

1252
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,240
» Okay.

1253
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:57,520
Um, you've spoken at this gentleman. I

1254
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,359
think it's incumbent on the board to

1255
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:01,280
keep the direction of these comments.

1256
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,800
There's no golf carts that's driving

1257
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,839
down the road. So, if we're dealing with

1258
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:08,000
the license, that statement was just a

1259
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,680
statement just to to try to get a

1260
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,000
reaction. really not part of this

1261
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,920
evening.

1262
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:14,559
>> Okay.

1263
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:15,920
>> Can I Can I address that? That

1264
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,559
>> I did.

1265
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:17,040
>> No.

1266
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,150
Okay. [snorts]

1267
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,599
» I know I spoke, but I don't think I used

1268
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,480
my two minutes. I got I played at I

1269
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,040
played at Still Acres not too long ago,

1270
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,040
and we could sort of do what we want.

1271
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,440
Drink on the course. So, it's sort of

1272
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,839
same same. There's no I don't think

1273
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:35,200
they're seeking anything that's not

1274
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,720
already been granted in the same sort of

1275
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,440
use and context.

1276
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,920
>> Mhm. Okay.

1277
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,680
You trying to make extra time, so I'd

1278
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,119
like to take my extra for the two

1279
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,280
minutes. I'm immediately abuing the

1280
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,119
clubhouse, so I understand others have

1281
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,119
not had noise. We have the noise issue

1282
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:52,960
off the patio and and the noise

1283
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,960
violations are directly pertinent to

1284
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,280
this lensure. The carts, that's

1285
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,319
different. Other people have different

1286
00:53:58,319 --> 00:53:59,520
problems with that. That's not what I'm

1287
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,480
speaking about. We all have different

1288
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,480
issues. But the tone of the town has

1289
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,200
besides members, there's a concern about

1290
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,880
this and there's a considerable noise

1291
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,200
concern from allowing the extension of

1292
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,720
the license to violators of fireworks

1293
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:17,359
regulations, noise permits already and

1294
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:20,880
their license already on their liquor

1295
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,119
from what the meeting in July was

1296
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:30,870
speaks to their character.

1297
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,150
Thank you. [clears throat]

1298
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,599
» In the back.

1299
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,000
>> Uh my name is Jean Null. I'm a conquered

1300
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,599
resident, but I've been a member of

1301
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:45,760
Wedgewood Pines for seven years. Uh on the issue of license, I'd just like

1302
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,079
the board to consider. It's a diffic

1303
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:50,000
it's a service industry. It's like the

1304
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,079
restaurant industry, the golf industry.

1305
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:55,680
It's a difficult industry to stay alive.

1306
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,000
I I think some members of the board are

1307
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,839
probably aware a number of golf courses

1308
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:02,559
in this area have been sold to

1309
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:05,280
outofstate corporations or gone bank in

1310
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,760
the past couple years. One last thing I

1311
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,839
wanted to point out.

1312
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:12,880
Golf courses evolve. Shaker Hills, which

1313
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,720
is a competitor, which is in the town of

1314
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:18,800
Harbor, recently built a driveth through

1315
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,920
snack bar. So the golfers at Shaker

1316
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,720
Hills now can drive through this snack

1317
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,599
bar and purchase snacks, drinks,

1318
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:31,359
sandwiches, alcohol, beverages.

1319
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:35,359
Uh very recently, Golf D just did an

1320
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:37,359
article pointing out this is something

1321
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,200
Shaker Hills. This is the direction the

1322
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,680
industry is going in. Limiting the

1323
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,800
Wedgwood Pines's license arguably limits

1324
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,640
their ability to financially survive.

1325
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,280
>> Thank you. Thank you.

1326
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,839
Um,

1327
00:55:53,839 --> 00:56:00,480
we did receive a a letter um

1328
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,680
from Lou Casavaro.

1329
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,440
Sorry if I butchered

1330
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,400
>> Kakavo.

1331
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,079
>> Kacavo. Thank you. I don't like

1332
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:12,880
butchering names, but um who uh asked to

1333
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,200
have it entered into the record. Um and

1334
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,799
it is a letter of support. Um he is an

1335
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:23,520
attorney and has dealt with I guess a

1336
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,839
number of um courses.

1337
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:30,960
Um so I would like to enter that in to

1338
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,200
the record um as uh support

1339
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:41,430
um for Wedgewood.

1340
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,789
Okay. Um,

1341
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:50,160
is there any other comments that have

1342
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,040
not been mentioned?

1343
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,799
>> Are you going to ask online, folks?

1344
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:56,150
>> Yes.

1345
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,920
And are there any hands raised online?

1346
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,280
>> And I would ask that folks use your

1347
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,119
virtual hand because I can't see all the

1348
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:09,430
windows.

1349
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,559
» Janine Heert. Janine Heert. She has not

1350
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,640
using her virtual hand, but I can

1351
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,280
actually see a hand raised.

1352
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,880
>> I need to scroll through all the people.

1353
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,709
Um,

1354
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:25,910
[clears throat]

1355
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:33,670
» okay.

1356
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,599
» I've asked her to unmute. It was Janine,

1357
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:36,079
you said?

1358
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:36,319
>> Yeah.

1359
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,079
Janine Heert. She had her hand

1360
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,480
raised. Jenny, do you have a H? She's

1361
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,079
>> Yeah.

1362
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:42,720
>> Good evening.

1363
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:43,520
>> Hello.

1364
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,920
>> Good evening. Hi. I just wanted to say

1365
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,720
that we are in director.

1366
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:49,680
>> Janine,

1367
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,799
>> can you just state your name and where

1368
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:54,559
you reside, please?

1369
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:58,480
>> Yes. Janine Heert, 220 Taylor Road, and

1370
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:03,599
we are um directs to Wedgwood Pines.

1371
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,000
And I just wanted to say that I'm here

1372
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,960
to support them. Um, we've been here for

1373
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,559
25 years and we go over to Wedgwood

1374
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:15,359
quite often for dinners and have some

1375
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:18,640
date nights and drinks and um, we want

1376
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,200
to support them in seeing what they can

1377
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,960
get for their liquor license for the

1378
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,720
other locations on the country club.

1379
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,440
>> Okay, thank you very much

1380
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,799
your comment.

1381
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:32,160
>> Thank you.

1382
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,680
>> Are there any other virtual hands? Yes.

1383
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:43,670
>> I see one.

1384
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,280
» Hi. Can you hear me?

1385
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,280
>> Yes, we can. Can you state your name and

1386
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,720
your where you reside, please?

1387
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,280
>> Sure. This is Janita Pitterino and I'm

1388
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,240
at 493 Taylor Road in Stow.

1389
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,839
>> Hi, Janita.

1390
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:59,359
>> Hi. How are you? Um, I'm just wanted to

1391
00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:01,599
say that obviously I support Wedgewood

1392
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,119
Pines. Um, I keep hear I'm hearing a lot

1393
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:09,359
about the liquor license and Wedgewood's

1394
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:11,440
not asking for anything beyond what

1395
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,440
other golf courses are asking for. It's

1396
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,839
the same standard that everyone else

1397
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:20,400
has. Um, I do want to speak to the

1398
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,119
concern about the drinking and driving.

1399
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,119
Wedgewood is held to the utmost

1400
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,400
standards for serving and drinking and

1401
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,480
everything is um there is compliance

1402
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,440
that they that you know that they have

1403
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,000
to adhere to especially the servers and

1404
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,839
the bartenders and they're all trained

1405
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:44,000
professionally. So I um I just wanted to

1406
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,119
speak to that and and

1407
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,200
say that. And also um in terms of the

1408
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,440
membership at Wedgewood, they are some

1409
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,400
of the most respectful people that you

1410
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,160
can find. Um and it's I just Yeah,

1411
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,200
that's all I can say. I that's all I

1412
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,880
really wanted to say.

1413
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,400
>> Thank you very much.

1414
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,710
>> Yeah.

1415
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:17,589
» Is there anybody else? [snorts]

1416
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:19,920
Dan Clark, [clears throat] do you have a

1417
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,599
virtual hand you can raise?

1418
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:24,079
>> I can just scroll through. If you tell

1419
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,200
me [snorts] names, I can

1420
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,559
>> I think he's in the top right corner

1421
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:27,200
there.

1422
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,079
>> Yeah. No, it should.

1423
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:29,119
>> Yeah, but I don't control it through

1424
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:30,480
there. I control it here. So, it's

1425
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,880
>> Oh, we got you. Go ahead. Can you, for

1426
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,400
the record, can you state your name and

1427
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,480
where you reside, please?

1428
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,799
>> Yeah. My name is Dan Clark. Um, live at

1429
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:42,480
28 Treffrey Lane, Stow. Um just wanted

1430
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,520
to listen um Stow is a beautiful town.

1431
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,119
It's full of golf courses and apple

1432
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:48,480
orchards. These are the businesses that

1433
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,799
we want to embrace. We want we want

1434
01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:52,960
these businesses here. I mean what's the

1435
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,520
alternative to data center? So these are

1436
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,280
companies that we should embrace like

1437
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,440
Janita just outlined. These folks are

1438
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,799
doing nothing other than what every

1439
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:02,880
other golf course does. And the reality

1440
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,839
is if a golf course doesn't have a

1441
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:08,400
liquor license, a golf course won't be

1442
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,839
around for long. It's pretty simple. So,

1443
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:14,240
um, they do a great job. They're great

1444
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,480
for the community. Um, it's a big reason

1445
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,319
why a lot of people come to Stow is

1446
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:19,520
because of the golf courses and the

1447
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,920
upper orchard. So, keep that in mind. I

1448
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,079
understand that sometimes the noise

1449
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:25,760
around where you live, but the golf

1450
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,559
course has been here for 28, 30 years.

1451
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,319
And if you moved in next to a golf

1452
01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:32,880
course after that, well, when you move

1453
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,400
next to a golf course, there is going to

1454
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,720
be some lively action. That's I mean,

1455
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,319
people live on golf courses. That's a

1456
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:40,720
treat. So just um you know there's

1457
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,880
choices we have. So if the noise is too

1458
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,559
much and you moved in after the course

1459
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:47,760
was there, you got choices. Um it's a

1460
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,599
great place for people to go. It's a

1461
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:51,440
great part of this community. It'd be a

1462
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,280
shame if anything happened to Wedgewood.

1463
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:53,920
>> Thank you.

1464
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,119
for comments.

1465
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:01,040
>> Um is there anybody else?

1466
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,960
>> No hands and no one else has a camera on

1467
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,799
so no one else is waving around.

1468
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:08,079
>> Okay. Um [laughter] any final comments?

1469
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:12,160
uh from board members at this point

1470
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,599
in the public hearing.

1471
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:16,720
Okay.

1472
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,160
>> I do.

1473
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,520
>> All of us do.

1474
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:19,920
>> Go ahead.

1475
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,680
>> Why'd you [snorts] say okay? I didn't

1476
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,280
know what you meant by that.

1477
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,240
>> Okay. You go.

1478
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,599
>> I go.

1479
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:27,520
>> Well, I'm glad that one of the questions

1480
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,440
that I had with respect to um management

1481
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,680
of drinking. I was glad to hear that you

1482
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:38,000
have certified ma and you manage your

1483
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,480
serving staff and [clears throat] have

1484
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,480
you ever

1485
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,480
in your experience

1486
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,160
is there an example you can give the

1487
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,160
board and the public with respect to

1488
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,119
your ability to manage someone who is

1489
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:52,960
drunk and shouldn't be driving. Have you

1490
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,799
had that experience?

1491
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:56,240
>> We have.

1492
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,040
>> And how did you manage that? Well,

1493
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,000
>> first thing we do is take their keys.

1494
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,640
And it's it it happens less often than

1495
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,240
you would think, but it happens

1496
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,640
occasionally. We take their keys, we

1497
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,520
make sure they're okay,

1498
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:12,960
uh, [clears throat] and then we get them

1499
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,280
an Uber home.

1500
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,920
That's been our practice since way back

1501
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,160
when. Prior to Uber, we used to drive

1502
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,280
them. So

1503
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,359
>> So is that, this is picky, but is that

1504
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:25,920
written somewhere? I mean, if if there's

1505
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,240
different managers on staff at that

1506
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,079
time, is that a written policy or is

1507
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:31,520
that Oh, yeah. Okay, it's written

1508
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,359
somewhere. Okay, that would be great.

1509
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:35,359
Thank you.

1510
01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:38,640
>> Um, I don't believe there been any DUIs

1511
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,920
on Harvard Road is my understanding. I

1512
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,599
don't know.

1513
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:45,119
>> I don't believe so. Uh,

1514
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:46,559
>> I mean, none that someone's attributed

1515
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,079
to Wedgwood that we're aware of.

1516
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:51,760
>> Oh, okay. There's always, yes,

1517
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,039
there's always like single car

1518
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:54,640
accidents. Well, what happened there, a

1519
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,520
dear? But anyway, um, okay. I think

1520
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,400
this is the noise issue. I do hear and I

1521
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,440
understand and to the extent that we can

1522
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,440
address noise, I also recommend that

1523
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,039
people that are concerned about noise

1524
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:10,720
and drinking should bring that up with

1525
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,720
the planning board, which is also going

1526
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,520
to be hearing this. to the extent that

1527
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,599
noise becomes an a result of pro

1528
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:23,680
improperly managed alcohol use that's

1529
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,160
something that we should be discussing.

1530
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,559
I don't know I don't have I mean I also

1531
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:35,599
have heard the parties um so but I don't

1532
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:40,160
believe that the noise is just because

1533
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,720
alcohol is being served inappropriately.

1534
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,960
I think it's because people are having a

1535
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,799
good time and talking and playing music.

1536
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:51,920
So, from an alcohol point of view, I

1537
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,599
don't see an issue with um amending

1538
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:58,160
this. And I do know that Stowacres, for

1539
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,400
example, everyone's running around with

1540
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,480
their carts and having a good time and

1541
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,160
the cart girls go around and they

1542
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,160
usually are girls, I'm sorry to say, but

1543
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,119
um so that other golf courses do in fact

1544
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,049
have that same practice. Mhm.

1545
01:05:11,049 --> 01:05:11,704
[clears throat]

1546
01:05:11,704 --> 01:05:14,799
[snorts] Okay.

1547
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,960
>> So,

1548
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,520
I think back to when we last met in

1549
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:24,079
July, the owners had come before us.

1550
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,839
There were violations of the noise.

1551
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:28,400
There were violations of fireworks.

1552
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,480
There were violations of the liquor

1553
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,079
license because of changes that had

1554
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,480
happened within the laws about liquor

1555
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,000
licenses and the premises. And he paid

1556
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,119
the fines. You went through a dry spell

1557
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:44,319
as was is shown in the letter. You went

1558
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:46,160
through those three days of no alcohol

1559
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,720
served and you've faced your

1560
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,359
punishment for your violations. You've

1561
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:56,720
also gone through all the paperwork that

1562
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,839
we asked of you to update and I don't

1563
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:03,119
see any reason why we should deny them

1564
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:06,640
their renewed liquor license anymore.

1565
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,880
>> Okay.

1566
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,760
you had your hand. I just told

1567
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,920
>> I [snorts] just a couple specific

1568
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,599
things. Um, with the

1569
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:19,920
liquor license as signed um, per se, it

1570
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,079
includes the steam and sauna rooms. Do

1571
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:25,920
people consume alcohol in the steam and

1572
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,559
sauna rooms?

1573
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:27,599
>> I've never seen it.

1574
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:28,640
>> That's why Okay,

1575
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,559
>> that was on their original license.

1576
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:31,839
>> Was on the historic

1577
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:32,400
>> Yes.

1578
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,480
>> license. So big.

1579
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,400
>> Okay. That's what I was like. [laughter]

1580
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,280
>> Okay.

1581
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,079
>> Because [clears throat] it's something

1582
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:41,440
in in the clubhouse, it just on the side

1583
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,000
of it. [clears throat] So no, not really

1584
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,359
practice to

1585
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:48,240
>> serve or consume in either one of those.

1586
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:53,109
>> Fair enough. Um

1587
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:56,960
I my other comment was I

1588
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,440
understand the valid concerns about um

1589
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,359
overconumption.

1590
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:04,880
um operation of a vehicle when people

1591
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,160
should not be or even you know are on

1592
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,400
the cusp of you know buzzed and and

1593
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,680
whatever the case might be. Um

1594
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,039
the the un unpermitted violations of the

1595
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:19,599
fireworks I think is especially with

1596
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:23,839
regards to noise is a valid concern. Um,

1597
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:25,440
so I guess I'm I'm just looking for some

1598
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,039
specificity about changes being made

1599
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:33,039
with how fireworks are or are not being

1600
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:35,280
used at the country club.

1601
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,720
>> Yeah, I I spoke with the chief and he

1602
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,480
said if I [clears throat] wanted to do

1603
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,400
them, I'd have to update an apartment,

1604
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,520
which we may or may not do.

1605
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,400
But as of now, would the you would you

1606
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,240
would not want to you would you would

1607
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,039
not want you wouldn't be setting off

1608
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:54,079
fireworks?

1609
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:54,720
>> No.

1610
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,240
>> Okay, understood.

1611
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:01,510
>> Just just clarifying. Thank you.

1612
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:02,160
» Is that everything?

1613
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,240
>> That was it. Brian,

1614
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,079
>> um

1615
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,119
I am uh sort of echoing Hector's

1616
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:11,920
comments like

1617
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,280
you have done it is unfortunate that we

1618
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:16,560
got to the point where we had to pull

1619
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,037
you before before us and and really

1620
01:08:19,037 --> 01:08:20,480
[snorts] drive home the fact that like

1621
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:24,000
we don't want to stand in the way of

1622
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,159
business running its business. But we do

1623
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:28,799
expect compliance and particularly in

1624
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:30,960
the case where we control the light

1625
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:36,400
alcohol lenture. Um it is our avenue of

1626
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,120
recourse. Um but it's not like an avenue

1627
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,199
that we want to use. So, I'm very happy

1628
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,040
to see that you've sort of like you,

1629
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,040
like Hector pointed out, you took your

1630
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,400
medicine and you came back prepared to

1631
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,159
sort of bring yourself and bring your

1632
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:52,880
operation into compliance even if you

1633
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,799
know most golf courses have the

1634
01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:56,640
assumption that they can just serve on

1635
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,080
the course. Um, that is not the case.

1636
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,759
Um, and we're happy to see that you guys

1637
01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:03,040
are making the point to make that

1638
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,440
explicit. Um, I will admit your golf

1639
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:06,960
course is one that I haven't been you to

1640
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,440
yet in Stow. Um because you're three ten

1641
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:10,880
of a mile further from my house than

1642
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,560
Stoacres.

1643
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:16,309
Um [clears throat]

1644
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:19,759
» um but as someone who I spent enough

1645
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:23,920
time on a golf course in his life um

1646
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,319
I have never had an instance where

1647
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,199
anyone in myself or my group have been

1648
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:33,520
rambunctious enough to be dangerous on a

1649
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,679
golf course. Um, and I'm really happy to

1650
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:37,359
hear that you have like an actual policy

1651
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,920
on the books of taking care of your

1652
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,480
golfers. Um, it is always incumbent upon

1653
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:46,400
us who have lived longer and learned

1654
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,319
harder relatives to protect those of us

1655
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,640
who are young and stupid. So, thank you

1656
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,359
for that.

1657
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,040
>> Okay.

1658
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,630
Um,

1659
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:03,183
I guess my comments are um

1660
01:10:03,183 --> 01:10:06,470
[clears throat]

1661
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:11,120
I do feel like you really took seriously

1662
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,120
um

1663
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,000
what was set forth and

1664
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,159
really made um exceptional efforts

1665
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:21,840
actually.

1666
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,440
um even advising your

1667
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:27,679
um

1668
01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:32,000
guests to not bring their own alcohol

1669
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,920
onto the course. Uh and explaining that

1670
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,440
really

1671
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,600
um could jeopardize your license. Um so

1672
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,480
I do think that you really did do

1673
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,679
everything that was asked. Um I do

1674
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:51,920
appreciate the effort that went into it

1675
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,920
um at this point in time to take the

1676
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,679
steps

1677
01:10:55,679 --> 01:11:00,480
um to alter um the license for the

1678
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:05,590
premises. Um

1679
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,800
I've been on many golf courses.

1680
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,640
What you're asking I don't find to be

1681
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,400
unreasonable

1682
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,239
either.

1683
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:17,280
And those are my thoughts at this point.

1684
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,360
Um, I

1685
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,640
would like to take a motion to

1686
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,159
close the hearing.

1687
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:26,239
>> I move that the public hearing for the

1688
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:28,480
alteration of premises for Wedgwood

1689
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:30,880
Country Club of Stow be closed.

1690
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:31,840
>> Second.

1691
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,679
>> Uh, this does need to be a roll call

1692
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:35,520
vote. Hector

1693
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,600
>> I,

1694
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:38,320
>> Dan,

1695
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:38,880
>> I.

1696
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:39,520
>> Brian,

1697
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,199
>> I. And the chair votes I. The public

1698
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,120
hearing is now closed. We will not take

1699
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:49,600
any further information or comments um

1700
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,560
from the public. Uh so the discussion at

1701
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,199
this point if there need uh to be is

1702
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:00,400
between uh the board members themselves

1703
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,360
at this point in time. Um can I have

1704
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,390
[clears throat] the next motion?

1705
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,920
» One

1706
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,320
or two.

1707
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,239
>> Um

1708
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:16,640
I move to approve the alteration of

1709
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,400
premises for Wedgwood Country Club of

1710
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,159
Stow, Inc. as described in the

1711
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,840
application received July 13th, 2026.

1712
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,189
>> Second.

1713
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:30,880
» Okay. Um

1714
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,360
so, uh

1715
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,239
>> discuss

1716
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:36,159
>> Yes, discuss um

1717
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:37,840
>> any recommendations.

1718
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,440
>> Exactly. [clears throat] Um the

1719
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:43,679
applicant has applied for um the areas

1720
01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:46,159
on within the bounds of the country club

1721
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:50,550
itself. Um

1722
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,130
comments

1723
01:12:54,140 --> 01:12:55,199
[snorts]

1724
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:57,120
>> my questions were answered earlier.

1725
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,320
>> Okay. [laughter]

1726
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,800
Um so then [clears throat] uh everyone

1727
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,679
feels comfortable with what Wedwood is

1728
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:09,910
asking at this point in time.

1729
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,840
that uh we allow them.

1730
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,560
I don't have it in front of me. Uh

1731
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,280
>> do you want me to read the premises,

1732
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:19,920
Mr.?

1733
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,040
>> Yeah, the premises. Ah,

1734
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:28,400
here it is. Thank you. Um, so, uh, the

1735
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,480
alteration of the premises of the LEA

1736
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:33,360
license to include the addition of

1737
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,679
outdoor areas, including the patio,

1738
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:38,400
snack shack, tiki bar, pool area, and

1739
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,480
all 154 acres of the 18hole golf course

1740
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:47,990
to the existing licensed premises.

1741
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,320
All those in favor, just a quick

1742
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,719
question of procedural thing. The motion

1743
01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:54,719
says approve the alteration of premises

1744
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:56,400
but doesn't specify for the liquor

1745
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,360
license. Should the motion say specify

1746
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:00,400
that?

1747
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,000
>> It doesn't need to, but you can you can

1748
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,920
add that if you like.

1749
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:09,350
>> I withdraw my comment. Okay. [laughter]

1750
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,280
» Um I want I'll [clears throat] take this

1751
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,800
as a roll call vote.

1752
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,280
>> Can I just ask one more thing?

1753
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,640
>> You just did.

1754
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,800
I would like to ask the applicant if

1755
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,679
they could provide for our records your

1756
01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:28,239
policy with respect to um management of

1757
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:29,600
I don't know how to say it people that

1758
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,000
are drunk but that's all right that can

1759
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,719
be enough who have oh who are inebriated

1760
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:35,360
okay yes

1761
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,600
>> that would just be helpful for us

1762
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,600
>> and Mr. Chair, if I may make a movement

1763
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,560
to the to the applicant. This is just a

1764
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,880
gender reminder. This expires on the

1765
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,320
31st of this year.

1766
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:47,040
>> They all do.

1767
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,040
Okay. [laughter]

1768
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,320
>> Just making sure that they're aware of

1769
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:51,520
>> No, we will send there's a formal

1770
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,007
renewal process. They'll get notified.

1771
01:14:54,007 --> 01:14:55,040
[clears throat]

1772
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,040
>> Okay. So, you can

1773
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,360
>> May I add one thing for the board? So,

1774
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,360
we talked about this at the July 15th

1775
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,159
meeting uh with the changes uh that the

1776
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:06,719
governor uh implemented for outdoor

1777
01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:09,120
dining. The ABCC considers this outdoor

1778
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,719
dining even though there's no tables on

1779
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:12,800
the golf course. So, your vote tonight

1780
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,480
actually approves this. In the past, it

1781
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:16,239
used to have to go to the ABCC for them

1782
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:18,400
to review and approve. This actually

1783
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,480
puts it in place and it is effective

1784
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,480
when you approve it. So, just so you're

1785
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:24,080
aware, there is no second. We still send

1786
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,840
it to the ABCC, but there's no approval

1787
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,722
on this piece because it's outdoors.

1788
01:15:28,722 --> 01:15:29,920
>> [clears throat]

1789
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,400
>> Everyone's comfortable with that.

1790
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:33,962
>> Okay.

1791
01:15:33,962 --> 01:15:34,880
[snorts] Hector

1792
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:35,520
>> I

1793
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:36,400
>> Herabborg

1794
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:36,880
>> I

1795
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:37,920
>> Dan

1796
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:38,480
>> I.

1797
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:39,360
>> Brian

1798
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,000
>> I.

1799
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,159
>> And the chair votes I. Let the record

1800
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,560
show it is unanimous. Can we please go

1801
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:45,760
to the next motion?

1802
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,159
>> I move to sign the licensing authority

1803
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:50,080
certification for submission to the

1804
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,600
Massachusetts Alcohol Mic Beverages

1805
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,280
Control Commission.

1806
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,320
>> Second and made and seconded. Any

1807
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,199
comments? Seeing and hearing none. Roll

1808
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:02,480
call. Hector

1809
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:03,040
>> I.

1810
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:03,840
>> Ingerborg

1811
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:04,560
>> I.

1812
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:05,360
>> Dan

1813
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:05,760
>> I.

1814
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:06,480
>> Ryan [clears throat]

1815
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,920
>> I. And the chair votes I

1816
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,560
is voted and unanimous. Thank you very

1817
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,800
much. This uh

1818
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,790
>> my agenda.

1819
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:26,070
» Next on the agenda

1820
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,360
if you want. You don't need to stay.

1821
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:27,840
>> Thank you.

1822
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,280
>> Yes.

1823
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:29,920
>> Thank you.

1824
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,440
>> You're welcome to, but you don't need

1825
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,400
to.

1826
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,550
>> Thank you.

1827
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,480
» I don't I have the copy of them. If you

1828
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:41,440
have them with you, I can put them in

1829
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:44,320
the phone, but we have the copy. So,

1830
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:50,310
>> thank you. I just love them.

1831
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,960
» Thank you very much.

1832
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,360
>> Thank you.

1833
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,920
Okay.

1834
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,840
So, next on the agenda,

1835
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,440
>> uh, yeah,

1836
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:05,520
>> it would

1837
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,000
>> uh, police chief to present a proposal

1838
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,159
to build a limited gun range for the

1839
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,480
police.

1840
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,480
Let's take the motion on it. We've been

1841
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:15,280
doing

1842
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,440
>> uh, I don't know if we made a motion.

1843
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:18,880
>> So, I would actually ask you to hold

1844
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:19,679
off, right?

1845
01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:21,360
>> U, because the chief's initial request

1846
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,760
was to hold a public hearing. That's

1847
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,080
what our motion was. So, but I had asked

1848
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,520
it come to come before you all to make

1849
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:28,719
sure it's something you supported before

1850
01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:31,520
we scheduled a hearing on this. So, we

1851
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,600
don't have a motion. You're welcome to

1852
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,920
make one, but I did not want to assume

1853
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,520
what you would be voting on tonight.

1854
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:38,960
>> Yeah, because I do have some questions,

1855
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:39,600
of course.

1856
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,840
>> Yeah, absolutely.

1857
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,840
>> Um, all right. Well, before the

1858
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,679
questions for everybody else.

1859
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:46,960
>> Yep.

1860
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,199
>> How about you do what you'd like to do,

1861
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:50,719
the presentation? I know you gave us

1862
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:55,280
quite a bit in written form. Yes. Um, so

1863
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,520
this all started

1864
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,440
uh I would say right before our spring

1865
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,360
uh training for our firearms

1866
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,000
qualifications. Police officers are

1867
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,159
required to qualify with our firearms

1868
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,800
all of our firearms uh twice a year and

1869
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,239
we're also supposed to do firearms

1870
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:14,480
training twice a year on top of that. So

1871
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:18,000
we have um at least four sets of

1872
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,760
training qualifications of firearms

1873
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,480
usage throughout the year.

1874
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:26,719
And for years we went to Hudson and then

1875
01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:29,440
we went to Neans and then we started

1876
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,280
going to Maynard.

1877
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,239
And after uh back in the springtime

1878
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:38,080
after of course all the um everything

1879
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,920
was set in place for this coming fiscal

1880
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,560
year. Um

1881
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,640
I was as I do is I speak to some

1882
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,040
residents as as we do in our normal

1883
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,239
course of day and we talked about

1884
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:50,960
firearms training and then he asked so

1885
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,440
you go to Maynard. Yes. And how much do

1886
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:56,640
they charge you? I was like they don't.

1887
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,239
And they're like so you get something

1888
01:18:58,239 --> 01:18:59,280
for free.

1889
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,880
>> Oh god.

1890
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:01,760
>> Without [snorts]

1891
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,360
um that the normal person does not. And

1892
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,920
so that raised a red flag for me. I was

1893
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,400
like okay but they're donating it. I

1894
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,679
think I was the select board for

1895
01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:14,159
donation. So,

1896
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:17,360
okay. [clears throat] Um, so I was asked

1897
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,520
I asked our firearms officer. I said,

1898
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,440
"Did you ask Mayor to send us a bill?"

1899
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:27,920
And the bill is $500 a day to rent that

1900
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,239
facility.

1901
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:32,239
So, I'm coming to you to ask for one

1902
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:35,679
year to use a highway department. I can

1903
01:19:35,679 --> 01:19:39,840
set up a range for less than $1,000.

1904
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,440
Um

1905
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,600
actually probably way less than that for

1906
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,360
one year. And the reason I asked for

1907
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,159
only a year is because within that time

1908
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:50,000
uh at the municipal training council

1909
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,679
over in Malboro they have an indoor

1910
01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:53,920
range over there. They haven't they're

1911
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,679
just using it formies right now and

1912
01:19:55,679 --> 01:19:57,120
they're still developing their policies

1913
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,400
and procedures and sign up process for

1914
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,040
municipalities to be able to use

1915
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,760
although that facility. that has not

1916
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,640
happened yet and I would expect it to

1917
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,040
happen within the next year. I was told

1918
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:12,480
it was going to happen within the next

1919
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,920
year. So I don't want to get caught up

1920
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,679
in a position where okay is it is it

1921
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:21,360
happening now? Now we're in February,

1922
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,080
March, April, May, June and we're doing

1923
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,000
we're scrambling to to get all of our

1924
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,679
training in all of our training in

1925
01:20:29,679 --> 01:20:32,159
within the last month because we have to

1926
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:34,239
have it done before June 30th. all of

1927
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:36,000
our So, we're right now like we're in

1928
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,320
fiscal year 27. We're in training year

1929
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,719
27. We have to do all of our inservice

1930
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:42,560
training and and we have to do all of

1931
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,000
our firearms training. We have to do all

1932
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,840
of our um uh electronic control weapons,

1933
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,840
which is our taser training. We are

1934
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,040
switching over to less than lethal um

1935
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,159
shotgun. So, we can use bean bags or

1936
01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:58,159
whatever uh what we get trained in. So,

1937
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:01,040
we're doing all these things to to make

1938
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:02,719
sure we we certified keep our

1939
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:05,120
certification up with our uh post as

1940
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,760
well as through the MPTC.

1941
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,880
Um I understand that is a public piece

1942
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,360
of property and you control as a select

1943
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,600
board and I would want to get input from

1944
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:20,159
the public as well and I talked to the

1945
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:23,040
BPW who is more than willing to donate

1946
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,360
their time and material in the area that

1947
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,120
we're looking for on their property. We

1948
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,159
are outside of the u areas of

1949
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,560
restriction for not only the wetlands

1950
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,920
but also the 500 ft from the area of the

1951
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:37,360
closest house if they don't get

1952
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,199
permission and that's what the law

1953
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:41,440
requires. There are other gun ranges

1954
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:43,760
within the area already on private

1955
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,640
property which people can have and as

1956
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,719
long as they're outside of the 500 ft

1957
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:50,239
you can have your own private gun range

1958
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,239
and there are existing ones on South

1959
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:55,920
Action Road as well. How

1960
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,000
do you How does that 500 ft?

1961
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,120
>> You need to speak louder than the

1962
01:21:59,120 --> 01:21:59,360
camera.

1963
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,120
>> Sorry. How does that 500 feet work? Is

1964
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,360
that 500 feet from like the edifice of

1965
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:03,840
the

1966
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,400
>> It's the It's the building,

1967
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,040
>> not the property edge.

1968
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,320
>> Okay.

1969
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,159
>> I'll share the picture that the chief

1970
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:15,440
had sent just so folks can if it ever

1971
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:19,510
comes up see it.

1972
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,080
» There it is. [clears throat]

1973
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,880
And we are right at that middle of 500

1974
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,480
ft. Like not in the middle of 500 feet,

1975
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:28,880
I'm sorry. We are the

1976
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,000
where we're looking is going to be um

1977
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,920
the red square box.

1978
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,679
>> Oh, so the blue line is

1979
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:40,480
>> 500 ft from the house on South A.

1980
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:42,400
>> Got it. Okay. I thought that was your

1981
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:43,920
whole area that you were going to

1982
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:44,400
create.

1983
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,639
>> It's only the red box. And then

1984
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:47,360
>> Oh, I see. Okay.

1985
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,040
>> So then the 500 ft is also from the

1986
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,040
weather beam. Mhm.

1987
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,520
>> address as well.

1988
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,199
>> I'm assuming that we're that's going to

1989
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:57,679
involve like constructing a burm.

1990
01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:59,120
>> There's already a burm there, but it's

1991
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,280
going to be like there'll be more of a

1992
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:02,719
burm put in place as well.

1993
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:03,840
>> It'll be reinforced.

1994
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,639
Yes. And also we we

1995
01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:08,400
have plans. We buy signs and put them

1996
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,520
out on the property edge um saying, you

1997
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,320
know, live fire exercises going on,

1998
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,159
police training going on. We notify

1999
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:20,000
Butters. we would um also put it out you

2000
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,159
know on our social media on our website

2001
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:25,280
and say this is going on today

2002
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,840
I imagine no more because of our

2003
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,639
department size it does take us a couple

2004
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:32,880
days to do these training each of them

2005
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:37,520
so it's not just like I we can't process

2006
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,560
12 people in one day

2007
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,880
>> so we break it up amongst two days

2008
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:44,320
because we want to get the officers

2009
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,159
enough training we want to get them uh

2010
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:48,480
enough time on online to get the

2011
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:50,719
training that they need. So it's always

2012
01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:52,880
two days. So qualifications 2 days,

2013
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,920
training two days. Um you know and and

2014
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,320
so that's why I believe I put in there

2015
01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:59,120
no more than

2016
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:00,159
>> is it 20 days?

2017
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:02,880
>> 20 days. So and that's going to be and

2018
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,080
there are other things that we'd like to

2019
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,400
do too like there are new things, new

2020
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,560
tactics, you know, new deescalation

2021
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:09,600
techniques, things that [clears throat]

2022
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,400
we can incorporate. We do all sorts of

2023
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,480
um use of force training and then and so

2024
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,800
we want to incorporate we want to train

2025
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,520
how we how we perform. So you're not

2026
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,239
going to to mimic some things which we

2027
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:25,199
could do in some situations but nothing

2028
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:26,880
takes away from real scenario based

2029
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,800
training.

2030
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,199
>> Okay.

2031
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:33,600
The one I did have a question. Is it

2032
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,760
really necessary to go till 7 p.m. at

2033
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,400
night? Well, for Yes, because we have to

2034
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,239
do low light training.

2035
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:42,320
>> Oh,

2036
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:43,920
say no more. Got it.

2037
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:44,320
>> Yep.

2038
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,800
>> We don't always get to go out and happen

2039
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,480
during daylight.

2040
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:49,199
>> Yes. Or

2041
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:51,373
>> no. Got it. Got it.

2042
01:24:51,373 --> 01:24:51,440
[clears throat and laughter]

2043
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:53,840
>> The same thing when we go like even

2044
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,120
working the day shift, you still want to

2045
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:56,719
carry a flashlight. You may go into a

2046
01:24:56,719 --> 01:24:58,800
building and you know they may not have

2047
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,199
electricity, they may have, you know,

2048
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:03,163
nothing and you're in the dark. So,

2049
01:25:03,163 --> 01:25:04,320
[clears throat] you want that low light

2050
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:05,040
training.

2051
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,280
>> Yep. Got it. Okay.

2052
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,800
>> And and I mean Yeah. So 7:00 I don't

2053
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:11,679
think is

2054
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:12,480
>> that's not

2055
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:16,790
>> it's not 2 in the morning.

2056
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,679
» Yeah. Please not 2 in the morning.

2057
01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:21,040
>> He actor

2058
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:22,960
>> um my knowledge of gun rangers is very

2059
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,400
limited to what was in the air force

2060
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,639
which was very tightly controlled. So, I

2061
01:25:26,639 --> 01:25:28,400
don't know how gun ranges around here do

2062
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,159
it locally, but just looking at a

2063
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:34,080
satellite image of the DPW,

2064
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,480
how what's going to be done to prevent

2065
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:39,760
some hiker from walking across the gun

2066
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,920
range

2067
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,120
inadvertently?

2068
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,760
>> Like walking like when we're there

2069
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,199
>> in the line of fire.

2070
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:48,000
>> Well, I would

2071
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,040
>> I know it sounds

2072
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,560
>> I mean, we're going to block off the

2073
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,679
area. Okay. So, and I mean this is this

2074
01:25:53,679 --> 01:25:55,199
is still going to be like an you know

2075
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:57,440
the active DPW where you park cruisers

2076
01:25:57,440 --> 01:26:00,320
on on a way that's um preventing people

2077
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:00,800
from coming.

2078
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,639
>> Yeah. I don't know what keeps people off

2079
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:04,000
the property if there's enough.

2080
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,000
>> Well, it's g I mean the DPW is an open

2081
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:07,679
piece of land, you know, for the public

2082
01:26:07,679 --> 01:26:09,840
to come in during normal business hours,

2083
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:10,239
right?

2084
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:14,320
>> Um also, you know, we there are you'd be

2085
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,080
able to see us. We'd have signs up. We'd

2086
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,760
have cruisers walking the way. And then

2087
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,360
again on the other side in the woods and

2088
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,360
everything there would be uh signage and

2089
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,000
as well as um I mean it would just be

2090
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:24,960
the signage.

2091
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:25,280
>> Okay.

2092
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,520
>> And I don't want to litter lease line

2093
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,840
don't cross. I mean we could do that

2094
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,320
throughout but um it depends on like

2095
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,800
what we're how much we have.

2096
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,920
>> That raises other concerns.

2097
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:39,360
>> Yeah. Like why what what's going on at

2098
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,040
the police department, you know? I mean

2099
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,120
I thought DPW why can't you know?

2100
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,560
>> Exactly. And then they go underneath

2101
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,159
people sort of spiral.

2102
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:47,840
>> Yeah.

2103
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,000
So, I'm just asking for right now, like

2104
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,760
I said, it's just a I don't know what

2105
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,280
the approval is and what you guys want

2106
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,840
to do. So, I wasn't um So, my request

2107
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,080
was obviously to get approval, that

2108
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,679
would be great, but um I understand the

2109
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:01,600
steps that we need to do is, you know,

2110
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,520
we want to tell people first. We want to

2111
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:08,149
have the community involved.

2112
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:09,360
» Questions?

2113
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,360
>> Um

2114
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,320
Okay. Um, I know that you've specked out

2115
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:15,760
like a I know [clears throat] you've

2116
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,400
specked out like a year. Um, just

2117
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,760
because I know that Marbor was working

2118
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,120
on that range and we all know how

2119
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,120
building projects go. Um,

2120
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:24,000
>> Oh, it's up.

2121
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:24,560
>> It's up.

2122
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,719
>> Oh, yeah. No, there our our recruit that

2123
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:28,960
you guys uh hired, Joshua, he used it

2124
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,280
last week. It's up and running. It's the

2125
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,000
policy of us signing up that's

2126
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,000
>> caught up in the wheel of bureaucracy.

2127
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,040
>> Never mind. I'm going to rock that back

2128
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,120
and we're good then our perspective.

2129
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,239
>> Damn. Yeah. Um, so if this is just for

2130
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:44,159
next year, what um, I don't think you

2131
01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:46,239
mentioned it. What was the cost of using

2132
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:47,520
Mar World if you use that?

2133
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,760
>> Oh, Mar zero. It's it's open to it's not

2134
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,520
going to cost us anything.

2135
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:56,159
>> Okay. Um, so this is

2136
01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:58,480
just a year from from now or is it the

2137
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:01,840
rest of 2026?

2138
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:02,800
>> What you're asking for?

2139
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,320
>> What I'm asking for is to cover us for

2140
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,239
the training year of 27.

2141
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:07,360
>> 27. Okay.

2142
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,239
>> Training year 27. So June till June 30th

2143
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:12,320
if they open up before

2144
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,239
>> then we're going to be like, "Hey, we're

2145
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:15,600
going to go over there." Cuz I know I'

2146
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,000
I've heard like they have um you know

2147
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,360
they can shut the lights off. They have

2148
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,280
crew like fake cruiser lights. They have

2149
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:22,719
all these scenarios that we can go

2150
01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:24,560
through. So it's a from what I've been

2151
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,320
told it's a good facility. I have not

2152
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:27,280
seen it.

2153
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:28,560
>> Um

2154
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,120
>> but I would prefer to use that

2155
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,400
controlled environment than you know our

2156
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,639
GPW.

2157
01:28:36,639 --> 01:28:39,280
And if let's say it's ready to go before

2158
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,080
June, uh is it you said just south of

2159
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,920
$1,000 is your ballpark estimate cost?

2160
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,679
>> Yeah, because we we so you have to buy

2161
01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:50,560
the you know the stands and and you have

2162
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,639
to make the the

2163
01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:54,239
A-frame for the target holders and

2164
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:55,280
there's a couple other things that we

2165
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,199
want to purchase. A thousand was just a

2166
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:58,080
ballpark figure.

2167
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,800
>> It's the cost of building not the cost

2168
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,000
of operating if there is any. There is

2169
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,199
no cost to op operate in it for for

2170
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:08,719
>> just because it would be you doing it.

2171
01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:11,520
>> It would be us doing I mean that the

2172
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,840
>> I mean there's overtime costs right

2173
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,639
>> that that's separate um there's overtime

2174
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:18,560
salary costs that go into this but to

2175
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:21,440
actually build it was um would be like a

2176
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:23,120
you know and we're not building anything

2177
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,600
we're sorry we technically we are

2178
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:30,000
building the frames that go into the target holders.

2179
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,480
>> Okay. And one more if I could. Um, it

2180
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:33,920
sounds like you were talking about

2181
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,480
police cruisers physically blocking off

2182
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:40,320
the road. Okay. Sounds like DPW's open

2183
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,440
to this. Has there been any conversation

2184
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:45,760
or push back about, well, what if during

2185
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:47,360
I don't know how long your your session

2186
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,360
of training would be, but they need to

2187
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,239
get in or out um and that being

2188
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:54,880
>> so we're not we're not firing

2189
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,000
>> constantly, right?

2190
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:57,679
>> Like there's always breaks because

2191
01:29:57,679 --> 01:29:59,040
there's always instruction, there's

2192
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:00,080
always teaching, there's always

2193
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,760
learning. So we move out of the way.

2194
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,199
>> Right. I don't think the expectation is

2195
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:06,960
to block the DPW access.

2196
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:07,920
>> It's not the DPW,

2197
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,199
>> just the access to the fire,

2198
01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:11,040
>> just where we are. Just like you'd still

2199
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:11,360
have

2200
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,679
>> I when you said it, I was imagining like

2201
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:15,360
the entrance from South Africa.

2202
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:15,920
>> Do you have

2203
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:17,440
>> No, I went back up.

2204
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:20,480
>> I mean, I'm looking at right now. So I

2205
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:21,600
>> when you said that, that's what I

2206
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:22,800
envisioned. That's why I was like, well,

2207
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,960
what if does that interrupt their their

2208
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:25,920
normal business, their own?

2209
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,920
>> So I would assume like around here is

2210
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:29,520
where they would plan to put

2211
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:30,639
>> Yes. something.

2212
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:30,960
>> Okay.

2213
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:31,679
>> Around this square,

2214
01:30:31,679 --> 01:30:32,719
>> see that

2215
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:34,480
>> is where the cruisers would be. So the

2216
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:36,880
whole of the DPW yards, you can keep

2217
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:37,440
going in.

2218
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:41,840
>> So that's sort of um northwest to south

2219
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,840
east I guess road. Yeah. No, no concern

2220
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,520
of um DPW vehicles or people coming in

2221
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:50,320
or out there.

2222
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:51,760
>> Okay. Because if they make it around the

2223
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,760
corner, they're going to see our signs

2224
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,639
and our cruises in the way.

2225
01:30:56,639 --> 01:31:00,719
>> Okay. Understood. Thank you.

2226
01:31:00,719 --> 01:31:02,639
I have questions.

2227
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:03,440
>> You have a question?

2228
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:06,719
>> I do. Um Oh, do you have questions?

2229
01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:08,719
>> Nope.

2230
01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:11,280
>> So, I have the question of noise. Of

2231
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:12,560
course. Noise.

2232
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:13,199
>> Okay. [laughter]

2233
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:18,870
>> Nobody raised noise. So, um

2234
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:20,880
you will be doing this presumably winter

2235
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,960
and summer.

2236
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,280
>> Uh typically we do fall and spring.

2237
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:29,520
>> Oh, okay. Fall and spring. All right. Um

2238
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:30,960
>> I mean I know that our firearms

2239
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,480
instructor loves to get us out there on

2240
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:34,400
three degree days.

2241
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,960
>> Snow

2242
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,760
>> but um he's been he's been pretty good

2243
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,120
with us about not getting us out there

2244
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:42,239
on those days.

2245
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:43,520
>> But if it's raining doesn't

2246
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:44,719
>> or raining we

2247
01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:46,080
>> time doesn't take the winter off.

2248
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:47,760
>> They don't take the winter off.

2249
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,239
>> I know. I and I get that and and you you

2250
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:52,960
know shows you train shows perform and I

2251
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,400
understand that. But he's been really

2252
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,800
good to us.

2253
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,600
So it would be fall and spring. The

2254
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,120
issue that I'm raising which would be if

2255
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,120
we do decide to go with a public hearing

2256
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:09,040
is um there's both noise for residents

2257
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,040
that are around there because you know

2258
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,120
travels and I know it's intermittent and

2259
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,120
they'll be and you'll as you indicated

2260
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,639
that you would let a Butters know so

2261
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:18,743
that we all know what's going on. Um,

2262
01:32:18,743 --> 01:32:19,679
[clears throat]

2263
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:22,239
the other piece, and I'm not sure it

2264
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:23,600
really makes a difference, but I'm going

2265
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,120
to just say it so you can think about

2266
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,840
it, is there's um a lot of wildlife back

2267
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,800
there, a lot of coyotes spring. They're

2268
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,239
raising their young. Um,

2269
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:36,639
so I I don't know what the solution is.

2270
01:32:36,639 --> 01:32:38,320
You're saying it's going to be 20 years

2271
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:41,679
or say 10 and 10 um 10 in the fall, 10

2272
01:32:41,679 --> 01:32:44,000
the spring, 20 days.

2273
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:44,400
>> Yes.

2274
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:44,880
>> Sorry.

2275
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:45,600
>> Yes.

2276
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,880
>> For one year. So it may not be a big

2277
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,440
issue, but

2278
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,120
>> I just wanted you to I don't even know

2279
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:54,080
what one would do.

2280
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,080
>> So I mean there there is [clears throat]

2281
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,320
hunting that still goes on any area

2282
01:32:58,320 --> 01:32:59,760
because there's private property and

2283
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:01,679
there's property around there that

2284
01:33:01,679 --> 01:33:04,880
people can uh can can hunt and and

2285
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,520
discharge a firearm very legally. Not

2286
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,080
just on salt well actually it is on Salt

2287
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,800
Act and across the street as well too.

2288
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,280
um that you can you know that people do

2289
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,440
hunt in that area as well and then they

2290
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:18,639
do

2291
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:20,880
>> yeah there's a lot of hunting off what

2292
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,600
is it one road they're always

2293
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,560
>> well I was thinking about the the um

2294
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,120
availability for

2295
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,520
uh farmers to protect their crops

2296
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:32,080
>> well yes

2297
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,880
>> and so that they and so they can

2298
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:39,520
>> they can uh dispatch a an animal out of

2299
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:40,400
season too

2300
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:46,480
>> correct to if it's attacking their their crops. Um, so that's still going

2301
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:48,000
on. There are [clears throat] still, you

2302
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,199
know, and you can hear, you're right,

2303
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:50,800
there the noise. There's hunting that

2304
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,639
goes on up at Delaney project. You hear

2305
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:56,320
that? There's uh our farms, our apple

2306
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,639
farms, they take care of the deer that

2307
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:00,159
are destroying their crops. That

2308
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:01,760
happens. We get calls on that all the

2309
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:03,040
time. Um,

2310
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,639
>> the Ron Gun Club

2311
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:06,159
>> Hudson Rotten Gun Club, they're going

2312
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:08,400
all the time, too. Um,

2313
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,000
>> Devons, you can hear Devons.

2314
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,080
>> You can hear Devons. So I guess the

2315
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:13,360
question is

2316
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,520
>> when you do these are they like 10 days

2317
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:16,560
in a row?

2318
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:17,360
>> No. Okay.

2319
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:18,080
>> It's like

2320
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,159
>> so it's more intermittent.

2321
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:22,719
>> Correct. It would be like our next one

2322
01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:24,400
we were hopefully to get up in the next

2323
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,400
month or so or you know or a couple

2324
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,320
months and then I know that um we're

2325
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,159
really trying to get forward our less

2326
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:34,639
than lethal stuff out there too. So we

2327
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:37,120
probably do that as a training and then

2328
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,080
um you know so it' be maybe Octoberish

2329
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,239
would be a good training month hopefully

2330
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:44,159
and then in the springtime would be the

2331
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:44,560
others.

2332
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,159
>> Okay. So as long as it's intermittent

2333
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:47,600
and not a steady 10 days.

2334
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:48,880
>> There's not a 10 day.

2335
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,760
>> So I I'll tell you we we

2336
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,600
>> you are not chief. [snorts]

2337
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,120
>> He's talking.

2338
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:57,760
>> Excuse me.

2339
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,199
>> Yeah.

2340
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:00,960
>> I appre I appreciate that. Thank you.

2341
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,159
Um, [laughter]

2342
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:03,520
you know, that's asking a lot for the

2343
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:04,639
from the officers. I mean, they're

2344
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:06,480
already putting in long hours as it is.

2345
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:08,560
And to to force them, you know, say,

2346
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,560
"Listen, you're ordered to be at this

2347
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:12,239
all all of us to be at this training for

2348
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:15,360
the next 10 days is that

2349
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:16,080
you couldn't do it."

2350
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:17,040
>> That that helps a lot.

2351
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,120
>> Would be unfair to to the officers.

2352
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:20,560
>> Back to you.

2353
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,639
>> No, all I was going to say is of course

2354
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:24,480
I'm not doing it 10 days in a row.

2355
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:26,480
That's not what the proposal was put in

2356
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:28,320
front of us. And then as far as the

2357
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,480
noise is concerned, if we're moving to

2358
01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:32,480
go into a public hearing, we don't even

2359
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:34,960
really need to get into that right now.

2360
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:36,960
>> What do you mean

2361
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,960
>> that we need do or don't need to go to

2362
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:40,400
>> I think you say not a final decision

2363
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:41,199
right now. Just a

2364
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:43,199
>> Yeah, it's not decisions and and stuff

2365
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:45,120
in those questions so we can, you know,

2366
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:50,080
vet it out more carefully. Um

2367
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,080
I don't have a problem with going into a

2368
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:53,840
public hearing. It's just the time

2369
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,639
factor. It sounds like,

2370
01:35:56,639 --> 01:35:57,920
you know, we're going to have to move

2371
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,360
quickly on this if we're going to try to

2372
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,280
get a public hearing in. Yes.

2373
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,360
>> So, you don't need to do a legal public

2374
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,199
hearing that requires like a 14-day

2375
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:06,480
notice. If it's something you want to

2376
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:08,239
do, we could put on the next agenda. We

2377
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:09,440
could certainly send out a Butters

2378
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:11,360
notices. We would just call it a public

2379
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:12,800
hearing so that you would solicit public

2380
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,560
feedback, but we're not looking like two

2381
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,239
weeks in a newspaper or anything like

2382
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:17,760
that. So, you could we could

2383
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:19,760
theoretically put it on the next agenda

2384
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,520
and just get notification out that you

2385
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,600
will solicit public feedback. Maybe not

2386
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,280
call it a hearing, but public feedback

2387
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,679
at that meeting if you wanted if that's

2388
01:36:27,679 --> 01:36:29,280
what you want to do.

2389
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:30,880
>> I would feel comfortable doing that

2390
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:32,639
because I think we do need to move on

2391
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:34,800
this expeditiously because you are in a

2392
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,480
time crunch for your training for your

2393
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:37,040
officers.

2394
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,480
>> I mean, we Yes.

2395
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:39,040
>> October.

2396
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,960
>> We would like to absolutely train have

2397
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,639
our officers trained and the more

2398
01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:44,560
training we we can do, the better,

2399
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:45,840
>> you know, the better department you'll

2400
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:46,239
have.

2401
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:49,760
>> Um, let's if people are comfortable,

2402
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,000
let's put it on our next meeting,

2403
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:53,679
please.

2404
01:36:53,679 --> 01:36:57,040
um so that we can move it forward. Um

2405
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:59,600
and then I don't think we even need to

2406
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,760
really make a motion for that.

2407
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,280
>> Fine. You don't. All right.

2408
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:04,719
>> Because we've resolved that.

2409
01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:05,280
>> Yes.

2410
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:06,880
>> Um

2411
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:08,239
completely. Okay.

2412
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:11,840
>> So, can I ask would you like to do like

2413
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:13,920
a one page that we would put out send

2414
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:15,280
out to a butters?

2415
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:16,480
>> I don't know if you want to take some of

2416
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,159
that, but give us something. We can put

2417
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:19,920
it out to what we would normally do for

2418
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,199
an abutter notice. Mhm.

2419
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:22,960
>> Um and then we can do something on our

2420
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,520
website under the legal notices.

2421
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,840
>> Right.

2422
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:28,480
>> Sound good?

2423
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:29,679
>> Sounds good.

2424
01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:31,600
>> Awesome. Thank you very much.

2425
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:35,350
>> Great. Thank you.

2426
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:36,320
» If you had a [clears throat] question,

2427
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:37,600
>> one last thing.

2428
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,639
>> You said ballpark thousand probably

2429
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:43,679
under by then. Would you be able to get

2430
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:46,639
um more like narrow specifics about how

2431
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:48,560
much? Okay.

2432
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,560
just because I I imagine

2433
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:52,719
>> we can we can actually do it like I'll

2434
01:37:52,719 --> 01:37:55,600
have I'm sorry. I we can put together

2435
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,440
exactly what we need just to get us

2436
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:59,600
through this year and how much that

2437
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:00,080
cost.

2438
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,679
>> Great. Perfect.

2439
01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:04,800
>> Thank you very much.

2440
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:05,840
>> Thanks.

2441
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,520
>> Thank you.

2442
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,719
>> Have a good night.

2443
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:13,760
>> I think we're

2444
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,080
>> okay. Just want to know that you support

2445
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:16,639
policy.

2446
01:38:16,639 --> 01:38:17,840
>> We did that. before

2447
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:18,719
>> we did that.

2448
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:19,440
>> We approved it.

2449
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:20,239
>> We just had the

2450
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:22,239
>> It was crowd control, not use of force.

2451
01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:24,239
>> He included the No, he included the use

2452
01:38:24,239 --> 01:38:26,400
of force as part of to show you what

2453
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:27,760
training they need

2454
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:29,760
>> as a department. So, he included a very

2455
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,920
thorough packet on firing range and

2456
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,199
training requirements.

2457
01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:35,679
>> Yes. Uh town center,

2458
01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:36,000
>> yes,

2459
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:40,480
>> is our next thing on the agenda.

2460
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:42,000
Um

2461
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,880
okay. um

2462
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:49,040
everybody had the opportunity to uh

2463
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:50,960
>> and may I just explain why this is on

2464
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,080
here?

2465
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:52,960
>> Please do.

2466
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,920
>> Um so if you'll recall back at the July

2467
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:57,760
meeting and we discussed uh doing

2468
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,800
additional engineering data for the town

2469
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,280
center, particularly around Common Road.

2470
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,320
Um the week I was on vacation, Valerie

2471
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,639
finally heard back from the engineer and

2472
01:39:08,639 --> 01:39:10,080
then she was on vacation. And so when

2473
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,840
she and I connected last week and I saw

2474
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:13,840
the cost, I said, "Well, since we're

2475
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:15,280
meeting next week, I do just want to put

2476
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:16,800
it back before the board and just say

2477
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,639
this is what it will cost, this is the

2478
01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:20,239
time frame that they're looking at

2479
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:21,840
before we gave them the go-ahad." So

2480
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:23,280
that's really why I put it on here, just

2481
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:25,280
to make sure you were aware of the scope

2482
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,440
that she and I put together after the

2483
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:29,600
last meeting, what the expectation was

2484
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,040
from the engineer, and then what the

2485
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,040
timeline was. So that's really why it's

2486
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,119
on here. And it's not necessarily

2487
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:36,960
doesn't even you can certainly vote, but

2488
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,320
as long as you're good with it, we could

2489
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,719
go ahead. Um, I just wanted to I didn't

2490
01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:42,880
want people to think that we're not

2491
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,480
having this on an agenda. I mean, there

2492
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:47,520
is a lengthy time frame that's been

2493
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,920
proposed. So, that's why.

2494
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,020
>> Can Can I ask two Can I ask two

2495
01:39:52,020 --> 01:39:54,629
[clears throat] questions real quick?

2496
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:54,719
[snorts]

2497
01:39:54,719 --> 01:39:56,000
>> Sure.

2498
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:57,679
>> Sorry, looking in the wrong direction.

2499
01:39:57,679 --> 01:39:59,520
Um,

2500
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,760
one is more procedural.

2501
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,239
This rises to the point of being a

2502
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:05,920
capital expenditure.

2503
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:07,840
>> Engineering is not. They don't do plans

2504
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:09,840
unless unless it turns into something.

2505
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,600
Okay. So, their their policy is um

2506
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,920
preliminary plans, things like that.

2507
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:16,800
>> Not engineering studies.

2508
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:18,560
>> It's only not studies, only if there's

2509
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:19,840
something that comes out of it, like

2510
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:21,600
some type of capital project that comes

2511
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:22,000
out of it.

2512
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,679
>> I' I've remembered like multiple

2513
01:40:23,679 --> 01:40:25,040
conversations about that at capital. I

2514
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,159
wish I couldn't remember which way the

2515
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:30,320
coin fell. And then two, is this coming

2516
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:32,719
out of that free cash aotment from the

2517
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:35,679
special art the edition? Okay.

2518
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:37,440
>> Yes, it would. That's what the article

2519
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:39,600
was for you to explore, making Common

2520
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,239
Road a two-way street. So that would be

2521
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:43,760
the funds that would be needed to

2522
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,719
explore that conversation.

2523
01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:49,119
>> So we still $1,000.

2524
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:49,440
>> Yeah.

2525
01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:51,520
>> Yes. So the scope includes all the

2526
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:56,239
options um data analysis uh predictions

2527
01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:58,719
of road usage uh taking into

2528
01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:00,480
consideration increased programming at

2529
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:02,159
the library increased programming at the

2530
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:05,920
church um data that they have currently

2531
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:07,920
with accidents and pedestrians and

2532
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,159
whatnot. Um so it does include it's a

2533
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:12,560
very robust study uh which is why the

2534
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:15,600
cost was so high. It also includes a

2535
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,119
potential left turn lane on the

2536
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:20,639
eastbound 117 review which I

2537
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:21,760
>> that's a full suite right direction.

2538
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,520
>> Yes. So they would make uh a

2539
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,239
recommendation on if I believe it's

2540
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:27,840
whatever recommendation they make they

2541
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,119
would make a recommendation to make sure

2542
01:41:29,119 --> 01:41:32,639
it's safe on each end and then that the

2543
01:41:32,639 --> 01:41:34,000
small piece of the study would then be

2544
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,840
incorporated into the larger town center

2545
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,679
project to make sure that the whole

2546
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:39,840
center flows

2547
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,000
uh with the direction of this road so

2548
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,480
that it all sort of works seamlessly.

2549
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:46,880
Okay,

2550
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:48,400
>> sounds good.

2551
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,800
>> Do you think we need to make a motion?

2552
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:51,760
>> You don't. Okay.

2553
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:52,800
>> Yeah.

2554
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:54,880
>> All right.

2555
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:56,639
>> So, just to be clear, unlike a grant,

2556
01:41:56,639 --> 01:41:59,280
this doesn't the it's not a situation

2557
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:03,040
where like funds that were allocated or

2558
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:04,960
have to be spent.

2559
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,239
>> They do not have to be spent. No.

2560
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:07,920
>> Right.

2561
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,719
>> Just want to state that publicly.

2562
01:42:10,719 --> 01:42:12,800
>> Yep.

2563
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,400
I'll take a motion.

2564
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,000
>> I move to approve the additional

2565
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,320
services scope and cost as presented at

2566
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:19,360
this meeting.

2567
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:20,400
>> Second.

2568
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:22,005
>> Third.

2569
01:42:22,005 --> 01:42:22,560
[snorts]

2570
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:26,709
>> Any further comments, questions?

2571
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:29,040
Seeing hearing none. All those in favor?

2572
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:30,320
>> I.

2573
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:33,199
>> The record shows unanimous.

2574
01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:34,719
>> So, we'll get that going.

2575
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:36,080
>> Yes. So, we will give them the go-ahhead

2576
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,080
>> so we can

2577
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:39,760
>> finally

2578
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,920
get the answers. Mhm.

2579
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:42,320
>> Okay.

2580
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,880
>> And hopefully recommendations.

2581
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:46,480
>> Yes,

2582
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:48,719
>> recommendations. If you if you looked at

2583
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:52,560
the whole scope that was in there,

2584
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:55,600
>> nothing. I'm being fresh.

2585
01:42:55,600 --> 01:43:00,790
>> Okay. Um,

2586
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:02,880
next on the agenda are the meeting

2587
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,760
minutes.

2588
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,320
Um,

2589
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,679
there's nothing minute about them.

2590
01:43:11,679 --> 01:43:12,239
Oh. [clears throat]

2591
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:15,280
>> Um, yeah. I'll take a motion

2592
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,199
>> for all of them or one of them each.

2593
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:20,480
>> Um, each separately. I think we have to.

2594
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:22,320
>> I move to accept the meeting minutes of

2595
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,880
the July 14th, 2026 meeting.

2596
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,119
>> Second.

2597
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:30,080
Moved and seconded. Any comments?

2598
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,040
>> All looks good.

2599
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:31,920
>> Looked good.

2600
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:35,119
>> Yep, that did. All those in favor?

2601
01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:37,280
>> I.

2602
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:38,880
>> Next motion, please. I move to accept

2603
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,800
the meeting minutes of the July 15th,

2604
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:42,320
2026 meeting.

2605
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,080
>> Second.

2606
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,639
Comments, concerns, seeing and hearing

2607
01:43:46,639 --> 01:43:48,480
none. All those in favor? I

2608
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:50,719
>> I

2609
01:43:50,719 --> 01:43:51,600
next motion.

2610
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:52,960
>> I move to accept the meeting minutes of

2611
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,679
the July 30th, 2026 meeting.

2612
01:43:55,679 --> 01:43:56,239
>> Second.

2613
01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:58,560
>> Was really hard.

2614
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,199
>> Moved and seconded. Any comments or

2615
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:03,280
concerns or questions?

2616
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,440
>> Seeing and hearing none.

2617
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:07,040
>> Seeing hearing none. All those in favor?

2618
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,400
I

2619
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:13,440
>> great. Um board correspondents.

2620
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:15,840
Uh we did get two additional

2621
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:17,520
correspondents

2622
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,320
um after our packet arrived. One was the

2623
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:23,360
invite from the Unitarian Universalist

2624
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,040
Congregation

2625
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:30,719
um for October 18th of this year.

2626
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:34,000
And the other correspondence was from

2627
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:38,800
Bird Metal Cottages. The 40 OB 40B.

2628
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:42,000
Uh did get the state approval for it.

2629
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,280
>> Yeah, that email said attached is a but

2630
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:47,840
there was nothing attached or at least I

2631
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,119
didn't see anything.

2632
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:49,600
>> Did you?

2633
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,239
>> No. So, so Joyce sends for the

2634
01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:54,080
correspondence she for anything that

2635
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:55,440
comes in additional she usually just

2636
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:57,920
sends you the PDF of the email

2637
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,520
>> and then we have the attachments if

2638
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,440
anyone is looking for but yes and they

2639
01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:03,119
are printed for the public record but

2640
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:04,639
instead of sending everything

2641
01:45:04,639 --> 01:45:05,199
>> okay thank you.

2642
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:06,560
>> So if you'd like it we can certainly

2643
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:07,040
send it.

2644
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:08,800
>> I was just curious but I don't need to

2645
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:13,600
see it. And just to explain that uh

2646
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:16,800
email from the Yuyu Cav, that's our

2647
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,800
official opening dedication ceremony as

2648
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:22,800
the new Unitarian Universalist

2649
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,407
Congregation in the Aset Valley.

2650
01:45:25,407 --> 01:45:25,920
[laughter]

2651
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:26,639
>> Okay.

2652
01:45:26,639 --> 01:45:27,199
>> Deeper.

2653
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:30,159
>> And the president of the Unitarian

2654
01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:32,000
Universalist Association would be there

2655
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:33,920
and Jamie Aldridge might be there too

2656
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:35,600
and Kate Hogan. [snorts]

2657
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:36,880
So great.

2658
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:38,960
>> Yes, it does say another invitation. So,

2659
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:40,320
I would expect you to get something more

2660
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,639
as it gets closer. This was just a heads

2661
01:45:42,639 --> 01:45:43,360
up.

2662
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:47,520
>> Okay, great. Okay, I'll take one more

2663
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:48,719
motion.

2664
01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:50,239
>> I move to adjourn.

2665
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:52,320
>> Second.

2666
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:53,600
>> All those in favor?

2667
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:55,679
>> I put the return unanimous. Thank you

2668
01:45:55,679 --> 01:45:57,280
all very much.

2669
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:01,560
>> Thank you.