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right. Good morning everyone. The chair
will call this meeting of the board of

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county commissions to order this
Thursday, August 27th,

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2026.
First item on our agenda this morning is

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to approve uh minutes of August 20th. We
get a motion to approve.

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Okay. A motion has been made by
Commissioner Le, seconded by

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Commissioner Feliciano. Were there any
changes amendments to the minutes? Not

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hearing any. All those in favor of
adoption by saying I.

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» Those opposed, the vote unanimous. Item
two is to meet with some Riverside

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restaurant department head. Mr. Bower,
>> who wants to go first?

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» Who wants to go first? We got quite a
crowd here.

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» Go ahead, Christie. I know you.
>> Yeah, you.

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» Come sit up here. [laughter]
>> Come sit up here.

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» Yeah, you all should sit up here.
>> No, we hide. We hide in the corner.

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[laughter]
>> You're on.

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» All right. So, I'm Christy Hughes. I'm
the director of social service at

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Riverside. I'm also the social worker on
unit 5.

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» Um, which is the dementia unit.
>> So, I've been the social worker on the

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dementia unit for 25 years.
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» been here a while.
>> A long time. Yeah.

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» Just talk a little bit about the
diversity of the unit. Uh, Christie, in

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terms of the
>> of all the units and just in general.

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» Yeah. Of all the units, but you can, you
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» Yeah. So we have so we have four
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five which is my unit is the dementia
unit. So we have a um so primarily um

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all different types of dementia. We have
different types of um people have at can

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[clears throat] be agitated, they can
wander um all different types of

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behaviors um that we have up there. Um
it's a secure unit so that they're safe

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if they wander. Um, and also
[sighs and gasps] having residents with

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dementia together, some of their
behaviors don't bother each other,

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whereas they might bother other
residents. Um, and then unit 4 is a more

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general unit. It can also be secure. We
have some people on there get a little

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confused, might want to get outside when
they shouldn't. Um, so that we have the

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wandard system, well on that unit as
well. Um, unit two is another general

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unit and then we have the behavior unit
which is unit one.

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Matt also is a security unit.
>> Yes.

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» And
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secure as well. I mean we do you know
it's just the one and five are more

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secure and the residents on those units
who might try to get off the unit have

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wander guard bracelets that will alert
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of security.
>> It's not.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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And you know, I'll say it again with all
all the people that come up and address

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you. I mean, every
every one of these department heads are

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people that substantially contribute to
that five-star rating that, you know,

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that
>> we were or I found out or we were

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notified of last week. So,
>> Yep. Yeah. And so, and this so each unit

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has its own social worker. Um, and you
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beginning before they come in until and
then till after they pass away. Um, you

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know, we have families that still call
us after with questions, you know, so we

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try to maintain that relationship with
them. We manage a lot of the we manage

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the psychiatric a lot of the psychiatric
stuff with residents. We do the list for

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the work with the psychiatrist and the
medications. Um, we do everything from

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that to
going to the store to buy them

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underwear. So, [laughter]

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» you name it, we do it.
The trick for me is if I

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am not tremendously familiar with the
with the resident's family,

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I'll
choose to call one of the social

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workers, you know, just to get some
background information so that then that

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happens.
>> Yes. Yeah. Cuz we, you know, we we know

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which families are struggling. We know
which families are not. We know which

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families are, you know, having a hard
time. we know which families are harder

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to work with, which ones are easier to
work with, and then also which families

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are having family issues amongst
themselves. Um because that's a lot of

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what we have to manage. Sometimes the
person who's in charge and the other

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siblings or they don't see eye to eye
and it can be kind of complicated. Um we

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also do um like I'm helping someone next
week do a guardianship. So, we'll help

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with that kind of thing, too. If they
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done, sometimes we have to help them
with some legal stuff, too. The

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guardianship stuff.
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paperwork and and appear in court,
provide whatever paperwork the court

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needs. Mo
the vast majority of our guardianships

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are not contested. Although we have had
contested guardianships in the past, but

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but
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the person who needs the guardian, but
by another family member who's arguing

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who should be guardian.
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have is that
pretty much no one who applies for

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guardianship has any money. So it
there's no dispute amongst the group um

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because there's assets because as you
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we're all Medicaid so or spending down
to Medicaid having you know meaning

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having a small sum of money.
>> How many patients do you guys manage?

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» So before we closed unit three it was
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175. Um
sometimes we have room we have roommate

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issues. We have people that don't do
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back, you know, sometimes we have we
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roommate. Um I are we at
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there. I know we have a couple people in
the hospital right now.

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» Have a couple coming.
>> Yeah. Um so but yeah so and that that is

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one of the things that we'll limit like
we we have

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» so each social worker will have 40 plus
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the additional burden of also
supervising the balance of the social

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workers um so they'll go to her for uh
you know challenging situations that

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they might not have seen before but you
know Christiey's been there and done

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that But uh actually all of our social
workers been there a long time.

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» We all Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's been here
for a long time. And um and we also like

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we'll take cases like I have I have my
unit but then I also I cover a resident

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on unit 4 and a resident on unit 2
because there were conflicts. So we are

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able to do that. So I take the problem.
>> You're a special children.

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» Yeah. [laughter]
Thank you for what you do. It's amazing.

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» I don't know if you have any questions.
No.

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» Oh, good. I can put a great job.
>> Else on the hot

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» admissions is up. [laughter]
>> Next.

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» Hi.
>> Hi.

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» I'm Shannon Mchu and I'm the admissions
coordinator. I work closely with Christy

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and the rest of the social workers to
assess people to determine what unit

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would be best for them. Um, we take
people from home, from other facilities,

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the hospital. We try to keep a good
picture out there of safety concerns. We

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make sure we prioritize anyone that's in
dire straits if possible. Um, and yes,

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so I look at the medical records, make
sure we can properly take care of them.

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We meet the families and the resident,
try to place them appropriately. Can be

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tricky with roommate matches. Um,
sometimes we have to rearrange. Um, but

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we do our best. It's it be gets tricky
when you're sharing a bathroom with two

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men and two women
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bathroom for four people that that
becomes tricky

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» and I think we only have one situation
like that. We try to keep it so that the

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same gender shares the bathroom gets
tricky if we have a husband and wife and

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the other room is two females. So we do
try to keep that into consideration too.

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» And and one of the things that we
changed in the last few years was the

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fact that um
you're a nurse and and that um we didn't

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we had a civilian employee doing
admissions and and then all that meant

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is we pulled another nurse nurse
>> to you know go out and do the visit. So

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it really made no sense. So as as
we changed things around,

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you moved off 11 to 7.
>> Yes, I moved off 11

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» 11 to seven supervisor.
>> But I think the supervising and knowing

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all the units, the staff, all the
residents has made it a lot easier for

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me to figure out where people
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» Shannon, it's funny. I heard your name
recently. I know someone who placed a

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family member and they said Shannon was
amazing to speak to. So, I just wanted

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to tell you that I had I didn't know who
you were at the time. [laughter]

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So, it's so nice to meet you. Um, you
too said that they really enjoyed

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speaking with Shannon. She was so
helpful.

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» Thank you.
>> Good to hear. Yeah.

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» Well, I've heard the same. So,
>> thank you. [laughter]

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» I still like the head.

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So yeah,
>> great.

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» Mine's pretty basic. Not as involved as
this one. [laughter]

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» Chris and Trish.
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» Good morning everyone. I am Trish Bragg.
I have been with Riverside for 24 years.

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I started as a nurse on the behavior
unit. Um my current position is the

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nursing services coordinator. um which
basically I support Ry and the DO and

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the ADO um projects auditing monitoring
um you know infections and most recently

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I've been working with Chris in
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» So you know that CMS regulations demands
uh that we always have an infection

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control certified person. So when I
covered at Rockingham once when they

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when there was a gap in time and uh
between somebody had left and and the

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state frowns on that um you know they
understand there's a hiring time but

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it's it's not a desirable situation to
be without somebody who's certified. So

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Chris is certified and Trisha is
certified as you know a backup. Yeah.

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Love it. Go Chris, you're on.
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quite a long time since 2002. So about
24 25 years now as well. I started off

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as an LNA, then became a medication
assistant, then became a unit nurse, and

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now I'm the director of infection
control. Um it's hard to actually

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summarize all the things and all the
components of my job but um I did I mean

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we have our quarterly meetings and um my
part is pretty significant in that um

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and our last one I had mentioned that uh
as of right now we're pro I mean

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Riverside is one of the five biggest
nursing homes in the state of New

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Hampshire to begin with and I just made
the point that um we our residents here

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are probably the best vaccinated
residents in New Hampshire history

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because we we are required to give
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you know, by the state. State requires
that federal guidelines require it. We

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offer additional ones in addition to
that such as Shinrix and most recently

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RSV. Um, and that isn't standard for
nursing homes, especially Shingri, but

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Singri is actually I can vouch for we've
been giving it since late 2018, I

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believe, is when it first came out. Um,
and I I I've seen outstanding results

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from it because we've we still get
shingles sometimes, but not as often as

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we used to among the residents. And when
we do, it's always someone who didn't

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get the vaccine. either they're brand
new or they, you know, elected to

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decline receiving it. And I also stay up
with like there's so much going on right

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now in medical science and research and
it's kind of

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» dizzying how how fast things with AI and
everything and biosciences. Um but um

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one article I shared with Ry the other
day, you probably saw was on the Shingri

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vaccine. They're now saying that um it
helps prevent um they think it helps

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prevent onset have dementia as well. I
think the vericella virus because what

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what they're what they're seeing is
nations are certain nations are

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reporting back that you know they're
seeing a pattern of people who had

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shimmers vaccination have lesser uh
rates of onset of dementia than other

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people you know it's like the last
report was like 20% decrease um and

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they're seeing this being repeatable too
so it's not uh not what the vaccine was

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made for. But now they're thinking,
well, there's a lot of different

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components that go into dementia and
that's only something we're starting to

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figure out. But they're thinking that um
the varicosol virus, which is the virus

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that causes chickenpox, and later on
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life, is has a meaningful component of
that. Um but yeah, and this is the time

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of the year where we're especially uh
busy with the vaccination effort as

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well, of course, because we're getting
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» getting the flu shots ready for
residents and staff. We just actually

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yesterday vaccinated a whole bunch of uh
residents with the RSV vaccine and then

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we got the COVID vaccines as well, which
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Um,
but also, um, you know, there's I have

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my hands in all kinds of different
things. We've, you know, I also support

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nursing at times. You know, I've I've
been on call for nursing since 2018 and

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and and in a pinch they call me and to
supervise or to sometimes run a unit.

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Um,
[clears throat] as far as uh all the

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many regulations, but we got eight
chapters of policies and procedures for

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infection control. I I manage those. Um,
we uh just recently brought on a boarded

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a new treatment for flu. You may have
heard it before. It's called Zoflua. We

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mentioned it in here many actually
several years ago. Dr. Clary finally uh

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decided I guess this year that he wants
to actually use it. Yeah. I he didn't

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listen to me the first time around, but
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» me talking to him, he wanted more
research. He wanted, you know, those

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additional years of of research because
Zoflooa is,

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» you know, relatively new on the market
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» Yeah. You don't know what you don't
>> is new too, but he wanted to start

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there. But you know,
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» all I know is you guys have got a tough
job after this, you know, even through

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co, you know,
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to work in to try to prevent disease and
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» outbreaks
and managing outbreaks given the nature

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of a facility. It's just,
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I have a nickname for Chris. Call him
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been doing it for a long time. Sometimes
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» Yeah. Parasites, too. But I call them
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» because they're all to me, they're all
bugs. Viruses, you know, it just runs

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the gambit. But, you know, you guys just
the cohesiveness of the team are going

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to decide. You know, you guys are the
finest employees in the state as far as

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I'm concerned in terms what given the
for you, church.

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» Okay. Right. Right. I give the most
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» Yeah. Yeah. He needs a lot of support. I
can say that.

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» I just think that you guys, given the
nature of what we're hearing within that

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building, uh it's just it's just amazing
what you've been able to do. And

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» you know, we went almost the whole year
without the co virus and that was,

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» you know, in no small part because of
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» and even now it seems to be different. I
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dire. the, you know, the it still exists
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» you know, it it's kind of a a different
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it's like a different process. Yeah, but
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and we still vaccinate and and um
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the and the different strains that
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it's just a
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trying to keep ahead of all of that all
the time and there's so much so many

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changes. It is mindboggling. I I don't
know how you do it.

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» We've been through the worst of it.
That's the good

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» that's the good part.
>> Yeah, we hope we have. Right. Still

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something.
>> There's a few things out there.

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» I think I think what we went through in
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» Yes.
>> I I hope we're not going to be like that

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again.
>> Well, God bless you all for doing what

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you do.
>> Thank you so much.

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» Thank you guys.
>> Good to see you.

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» You guys don't have to stay. I know you
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» Byebye.
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» Nice. I like that leopard. The leopard
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it I mean I I you know I they really do
get along really well and and

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» you know I I was I learned from when I
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just rely on on one infection person. I
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vacation
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he's on call 24/7 if if we
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we do a lot of COVID testing. Uh to me
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to have somebody have symptoms which
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appear to be we end up sending somebody
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them and they've got CO and I going wow
that was stupid. So we test everybody

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now and anybody that has a symptom
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the facility
>> we don't need you know to send them out

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and and to a lot of our residents
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traumatizes some of them I mean they
it's hard for them I mean just think who

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wants to go to the ER raise your hand I
mean you know nobody and and for our

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people who can't understand that
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difficult and it's a strain on the
families, you know, to meet the resident

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there. And so if we can do everything we
can to avoid that and to avoid the

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hospitalizations, you know, all the
better for us. And and uh um but you

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know, anybody that says that CO doesn't
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way it's all gone.
>> Yeah. Fortunately, uh we've the last

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couple of times we've had it, it's been
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the residents are so well vaccinated,
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employees, most not all are vaccinated,
it's obviously for them. Um

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they haven't spread it to the residents.
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dietarian that had it and the last was
our 11 to seven supervisors which which

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is one you'd be afraid of because you
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everywhere you know in the facility but
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round of aggressive testing
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has it we want to know about it right
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» Yeah. But and and some residents are
eligible for you know an offsetting

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medication.
However, not all residents are or

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they're eligible at different dose
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coorbidities. So it's not as simple as
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old days still now if you have a flu
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you have an understanding of what the
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that complicates things with us you know
they're using the same bathrooms

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» and and that um when that occurs uh we
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flu which we haven't had in a couple
years. Uh we immediately start treating

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the roommate
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as long as they don't have any
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standard order. We don't even, you know,
we just we keep the medication in stock

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in our emergency kit um until we get the
replacement meds from um the pharmacy

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because, you know, the pharmacy delivers
every day, but you know, you want to

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start the med right away. So,
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having having them all come in the
department heads and talk. One thing

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that really stands out to me is the
longevity. 24 years

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says a lot about about you as well. You
know, no seriously. And then working in

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the conditions that they work in with
the old nursing home struggling with the

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heat and the air conditioning that they
stick through. They have such passion

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and they take such good care of their
residents. But what an amazing team.

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That's all I have to say. It's just
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» Yeah. And you know, I I
>> it was funny. I I know the, you know,

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Commissioner Lev had made the suggestion
that, you know, monthly we bring in all

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the department heads, which which was a
great idea. Um I I wanted to shift, you

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know, I we started with the nursing
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other departments
except that when we got the fivestar

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rating, I I just have taken the
opportunity to bring in,

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» you know, um continue with the uh
nursing home people so we can

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congratulate them because each one of
them has a piece of this, right? you

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know, some pieces may be bigger than
others, like Chris, you know, they're

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forever, you know,
on Chris's back about everything that's

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imaginable. You know, we have infection
rates, we have I mean, just everything

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that they examine,
>> right?

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» And like Chris said, he has eight
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and uh and so I thought it was
important. Uh Trish is an LPN, not an

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RN. However, she still uh went through
the process and qualified to sit for the

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exam as a um um they call it an in
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the term is from CMS, but that way we
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» wonderful. And Chris every once in a
while, you know, if he just gets

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overwhelmed in the past, he would wonder
how much longer he could continue to do

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it.
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» And and so I thought it would be smart
for two ways to get Trish,

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» you know, she can be a backup for him.
And they're they're perfect personality

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matches.
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just tremendously brilliant. Oh yeah,
he's a smart man.

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» And Trish is the the funny one, you
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um help him um stress a little bit.
>> Exactly.

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» Yeah. So, it's really a a perfect match.
It it really worked out great. So,

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» yeah,
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uh pairing of of of people and they and
they respect each other, you know, they

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have a great amount of respect for each
other. So that's good.

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» Yeah. And and we don't do we need to
right now. No. Trish does a lot of other

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things. And she's right. She does. If I
have something that I need some other

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help.
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and if I have something in a doctor's
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give it to Trish or somebody and say,
"Hey, what's this?" You know, do the do

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the research on this because I'm not a
nurse. you know, do the research because

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this just doesn't smell right. I mean,
it doesn't seem right, you know, is did

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this doctor miss something? Is there uh
and mo mostly it it turns out to be it's

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done, it's just not recorded, right? And
when survey comes, it they don't care

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whether it's done or if it's not
documented, it's not done. I mean,

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that's their answer to you. You we can't
say, "Well, we really did that. We just

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didn't document." No, no good. So, you
know, we'll we'll make suggestions to

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the doctor to more round out their nose.
And as you know, they dictate their

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notes. So, we get uh on like every
renewal will be two and a half pages of

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of type notes. Um and during a sick
visit, um

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you know, it'll be at least a page or
more addressing the specific issue. But,

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you know, that's that's the way it
works. In fact, my intention uh actually

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as part of this process is is to bring
Dr. Clary in our medical director who's

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been up for a while.
>> Roland Roland Rober

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» Yeah.
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two new docs that just opened a practice
in Rochester who served in Vietnam

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together. uh left asmetics, went to med
school, graduated and opened Salmon

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Falls practice. And so Dr. Clary's and
Charlay continue to be with us for

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30 35 years.
>> Yeah.

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» And Dr. Clary just told me yesterday
that he renewed to uh because he he knew

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of my commitment to at least stay for
the next term um next commissioner term

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and he's renewed his commitment to stay
with me. very nice

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» because his license actually was he had
to apply for renewal in 2027, but when

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he found out that, you know, my
commitment was to 2028,

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uh he um
went back and took his license and he's

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he's in his early 80s,
>> but he's absolutely brilliant.

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» He's absolutely brilliant. If I was ever
sick or if somebody in my family was

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ever sick, I'd ask him to be involved in
the process.

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» Okay.
You guys any questions on the

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presentations this morning?
>> I thought they were great.

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» All right.
>> And we'll keep going.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah, we'll keep going.

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» Okay. Uh we'll move on to item number
three, affordable housing update. the uh

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uh
a couple of things. Um

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number one,
the

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from the initial
bubble gum drawing that you came up

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with. Okay. I'll call it the bubble gum.
>> It was. Yeah, it was. It was just a

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drawing on a piece of paper. Um,
and then, uh, uh, there's been some kind

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of layout changes as a result of trying
to meet parking requirements.

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Uh,
uh, so u,

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I need to apologize. I use the term uh,
fab a few weeks ago regarding uh, asking

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Warren Street and Hutter to uh, give us
some idea of what we were looking at.

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Uh, I probably should have said it was a
donation, so I apologize for using the

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term favor, but I wasn't putting that
water time into it.

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» Something like that for nothing.
>> Yeah, they did it for nothing. And u uh

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in any event, um, couple of things. They
changed the layout a bit uh from what

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was um presented initially because I
mean the bubble gum drawing, I call it

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that, didn't have the parking layout.
And so they're they're trying to tight

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tighten up a site plan. Uh Warren Street
has all

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uh of the soil analysis and the wetlands
analysis and all those things that we

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had paid for when we were doing the
nursing home. You folks weren't here.

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» Uh but they had all that information on
file. So it was it was a difficult lift

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for them to to do that. Uh but I'll pass
out uh a copy of the latest layout and

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uh I'll make sure that uh uh so that's
the that's the latest layout in terms of

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having the three buildings
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from Hutter
>> uh construction who was doing the

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construction on the uh warming center he
their firm

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has had extensive experience in building
these types of buildings that we're

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talking about. So, I asked him to uh
look at uh uh the buildings and give me

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give us some kind of a ballpark figure.
And uh uh he called me yesterday and

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said he thought it would run around $45
million

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to construct this um
in in total cost. he was estimating is

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that's about a quarter of a million
dollars per unit.

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» So when you think about affordability,
the cost of construction really it's not

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the land that's the expense. In many
instances it's the cost of construction.

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You with me? So
>> granted the land has a lot to do with

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it, but it's really uh trying to build
the building and build the uh out the

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parking lots and such. Uh it's the total
thing he's they've estimated to be, as I

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said, $45 million, but that's just that
includes the parking lot and the other

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infrastructure that needs to be put in.
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they're going to uh
uh work on some additional

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uh architectural and progress. Uh
because this thing is a is a is a is a

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concept. It's not a done deal. It's not
a done deal. it's a concept. Uh they're

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willing to do a little more work uh on
their dime to at least help us out. Uh

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and
um

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there needs to be at some point an RFQ.
We haven't there hasn't been an RFQ. I

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know Commissioner Feliciano ordered an
RFQ and I think it's a great idea,

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but we got to write one. Uh and we would
need some assistance in in writing out

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an RFQ.
uh to to the nonprofit basically

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probably the non uh the uh
nonprofit sector

409
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:52,000
» uh to uh to see if anyone has there are
some some folks uh that uh have some

410
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:57,679
experience in doing this across the
state with the New Hampshire housing

411
00:32:53,600 --> 00:33:06,240
finance. Um, I did get uh a
communication from uh Matt Mayberry, who

412
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:12,320
is the uh uh director of the homeowners,
the building association of Cocket. He

413
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:18,880
told me he had three or four uh people
that were interested uh in pursuing

414
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:23,760
this. Uh but I told him we have to first
of all, we have to write the RFQ. We

415
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:26,880
don't have we haven't even started that.
>> Yeah. So, I don't have any idea what to

416
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:34,880
even show them outside of this, you
know, the these initial site ideas. Um,

417
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:40,000
but uh there are people that are
interested in doing it. So, we're just

418
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:48,320
up to keep
moving forward with it. Uh, and uh

419
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,480
there's people working finance until
>> right. All right. Well, you know,

420
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:55,360
there's New Hampshire Housing Finance.
They have a they finance projects of

421
00:33:53,600 --> 00:34:01,600
this nature
and uh normally it's a competitive grant

422
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:09,520
and that money comes available every
year. Uh so uh in terms of I think that

423
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:16,320
this type of project would rank very
high uh on their competitiveness scale

424
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:21,359
uh because they have just so much
capacity to develop.

425
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:27,599
Yeah. Just a quick thing. One of the
things I I think from looking at other

426
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:31,440
grants unrelated to this
>> some of the things that they're they

427
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:35,599
look for is is obviously affordability.
In other words,

428
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:39,760
what what
um

429
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,679
what we can do better than the market,
>> right?

430
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:48,159
» And they and they look for land
availability, which you know the land

431
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:52,800
has no cost. They and and they look for
operating thing. Well, technically we

432
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:57,760
don't have to pay taxes,
>> right?

433
00:34:54,159 --> 00:35:01,599
» And the other thing is of course um we
have power.

434
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:06,000
» Yeah. Yeah, we have the infrastructure
>> and and we have city water and city

435
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,960
sewer and and uh
>> so all those things that you know

436
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,960
» all those things I think that would help
us on the scoring.

437
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:19,040
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. So uh now it's just a matter of

438
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:25,920
determining
how to come up with an RFQ to steal one.

439
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:30,480
I was going to with your permission,
commissioners, I was going to inquire

440
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:34,000
through the association of counties to
see if any other county went out for an

441
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,880
RFQ about something,
>> right?

442
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:39,440
» And see if we couldn't steal their steal
the language. Yeah.

443
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:44,720
» You know, steal the language. So,
>> and I know that CAP, you know, has been

444
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:47,280
involved in this. Uh Betsy Andrew Park
has been doing this for a long long

445
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:51,200
time.
>> Um trying to get, you know, that's how

446
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:55,599
Covered Bridge Mana was constructed. and
and you know, regional planning also has

447
00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:01,040
has uh
>> uh is writing our grants for that. Well,

448
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:09,200
now about a see, let's just round it off
at $2.5 million

449
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:16,400
um that we applied for from Go North. Um
so they they have a familiarity. Now

450
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:22,560
remember the money for writing the grant
for go north is covered by Go North,

451
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:27,359
right? So, we're not spending any money
>> even though actually it's in the county

452
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:36,000
budget. We're not spending any any of
county money and also um

453
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:40,000
regional planning has applied and I
don't know the status of their

454
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:47,680
application to be one of the entities
that can write grants for anybody um you

455
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:52,320
know like certified by go north. Uh
right. Um I know they applied for that.

456
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,599
I don't I'm I'm sure they're gonna I
have every reason to believe they they'd

457
00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:01,920
get approved simply because they've been
writing grants for CDFA and you know

458
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:07,359
other places you know that go to CDFA in
other places. So um I'm I'm sure that'll

459
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,720
work out and maybe we're going to reach
out to them to see if they've got any.

460
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:16,320
you know, I I think that to develop the
RFQ, which I think is the right route to

461
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:19,680
go. Um, you know, we it's not rocket
science. Everybody's done it. There's a

462
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:24,640
lot of people have done this in our
state. So, we'll just look at one

463
00:37:22,745 --> 00:37:28,480
[clears throat] of their documents and
see if we're kind of interested.

464
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:33,520
According to Matt Mayberry, he's telling
me that there's a lot of interest uh to

465
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:38,720
do that. So, um, at least we're making
an attempt on our part to ease the

466
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,880
housing situation. I you know I know
that that's one of the things that we

467
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:50,160
hear in negotiation all the time with
staff is that they just can't afford to

468
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:53,920
you know live and live. So uh uh you
know so we're really we're trying to do

469
00:37:51,520 --> 00:38:02,160
the best we can and and and try in in
trying to add some capacity to the

470
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:07,520
market. Um and uh hopefully we can
there are other there are other things

471
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:11,040
that can come from that. I think uh you
know a lot of those folks have a lot of

472
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:18,079
those people do have animals and uh
humane society was looking they were

473
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:20,960
very excited about I met with them about
another issue which I'll bring up on the

474
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,920
new business but they were very excited
about having something like this because

475
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,440
they could have more volunteers.
>> Yep.

476
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:33,760
» Yeah. And volunteers at the nursing open
you know

477
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:39,119
» I was watching u national news
and

478
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:46,960
One of the things that I would just that
I heard that I would ask you to consider

479
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:52,640
is if there is a rent reduction as as
you know as a result of the negotiation

480
00:38:50,079 --> 00:39:00,400
with however this proceeds through a
builder is that they require this person

481
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:03,280
to volunteer 10 hours a month.
Oh,

482
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:07,599
» and I'm not saying, you know, I'm I'm
not throwing that I want to throw that

483
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:11,200
on you and say yes, you know, I I'm just
saying that I thought that was an

484
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:15,040
interesting concept, especially where we
have the humane society, we have the

485
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:19,599
daycare center,
>> we have the nursing home, we have the

486
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:23,599
jail, all of which, you know, are are
right for volunteer experiences.

487
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:28,400
» I want to share a quick story with you.
when the the article came out last week,

488
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:35,520
I had a woman uh that swung by the
marina to see me in a and she was living

489
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:41,200
in a in her car and she was uh 74 years
old and she got evicted and she's got

490
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:45,760
$1,100 a month social security and she's
been on

491
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:49,040
waiting list. The waiting list to get
into housing authorities is very very

492
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:53,839
» three years.
>> Three between three and five places. She

493
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,200
told me she said she was asking me if
this was ever going to be available to

494
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:03,119
someone like her.
>> She's fairly healthy. It's just that she

495
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:07,440
has no family. Uh her uh she did have a
sister that passed away uh years ago and

496
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:11,359
never had any children.
So people don't realize that we have

497
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:15,839
that type of folks out here in our in in
in our society once they get evicted,

498
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,040
you know. for whatever reasons, the
multiple reasons why, but mostly because

499
00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:22,880
of the cost of rents,
>> right?

500
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,920
» They seem to be hidden, the hidden
population, because frankly, they're

501
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,160
embarrassed.
>> Yeah, they are.

502
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:34,560
» You know, they're embarrassed to ask for
help, they're they're from

503
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:39,280
» I know if it was my parents, you know,
speaking from that generation, my

504
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:43,359
parents would be mortified to be in that
situation.

505
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:44,800
» Absolutely. and therefore would survive
somehow,

506
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,760
» right?
>> Um without asking for help.

507
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:49,760
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

508
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,119
» And I'd like to make something clear,
too, because I saw on the social media

509
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:57,440
pages that
>> um that we're building this so that when

510
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:02,000
people come out of the warming center,
they have a place to live and do drugs.

511
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:06,560
That's not the case at all. Um, this is
going to be workforce housing and for

512
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:11,280
people that are working and to help
people who are trying and not for drug

513
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,800
force housing. I just want to make that
clear.

514
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:18,880
» Making this stuff,
but I want to put that out there that

515
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:25,200
that is not the truth.
>> So, that's one of the primary reasons I

516
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:28,880
don't participate in social media.
>> There's no requirement for truth,

517
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,839
» right? There is no truth
>> in social media. Yeah,

518
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,079
» you just say whatever you feel like
saying.

519
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:37,839
» Yeah. And there's no repercussion. You
just lie and that's the way it is. Just

520
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:43,839
come up with everything you want.
>> I did get I did get an email from a from

521
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:49,680
a person that I knew that asked me about
what we thought might occur. And I said,

522
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,240
"Well, I can't tell you what's going to
occur because we haven't got there yet.

523
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,560
» Getting there yet. I haven't got there
yet, but but what the intention is, you

524
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:01,440
know, and
>> frankly, uh

525
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:05,280
I mean the warming center component is a
is is certainly a different that's a

526
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:08,319
different animal.
>> And we have a transitional housing

527
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,560
program here now, which a lot of people
don't realize. They just don't realize

528
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:16,960
we run transitional housing program here
for people who who come out of jail

529
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:23,760
which is a direct with which has a
direct property tax savings

530
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:26,800
to local communities because if those
people are discharged from jail and have

531
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:31,119
no place to go, they're going to go on
your local welfare role. So, the fact

532
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:34,800
that we do discharge planning and that
we have transitional housing, we have a

533
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,640
waiting list for that transitional
housing. uh some of them, you know, we

534
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,319
required them. We we we we make sure
they have a job, okay, we want to make

535
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,160
sure they're going back to a stable
environment,

536
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:50,319
but again, if they if they're making 20
bucks an hour somewhere, can they afford

537
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:57,119
to live? How can they afford to live?
Okay, they just can't. So, uh you know,

538
00:42:54,319 --> 00:43:01,599
and and I know everybody's a big, you
know, there are some folks out there I I

539
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:05,680
don't I don't I read that social media
and half the time I laugh because they

540
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,240
don't have any idea what
what they're talking about.

541
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,480
» I have the luxury of not reading it at
all.

542
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,800
» Yeah. Well, well, that's good. I don't
even

543
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:17,760
» I don't I don't I don't bother to read
it. If I feel if people have an inquiry,

544
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,200
we're we're always available
>> and we have a county website. They have

545
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:25,440
an inquiry, they can make it and we're
happy to answer it.

546
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:33,119
» So, we did have a I was full of an
actual video um

547
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:38,240
a I know I asked Janet to and Kelly to
see if we could show it. Yeah, let's

548
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:41,240
give it a shot.
>> So,

549
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:59,080
and let's hit play. So, I guess that
doesn't look like a slum, does it?

550
00:43:57,060 --> 00:43:59,080
[laughter]

551
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:09,920
It does back up to the jail. Um, and
this new site plan that you have, uh,

552
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:16,319
is, you know, the found the foundation
for that.

553
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:17,680
So, uh, I just think this technology is
really,

554
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:20,960
» it's crazy.
>> Really, really cool to show be able to

555
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,160
show you what it potentially could look
like.

556
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,920
» Um,
again, the county is not going to be

557
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:33,200
operating in this facility. Yeah, there
will be no property tax uh involvement

558
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:39,680
here.
It would be done by the non either the

559
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:44,960
non you know public sector that
nonprofit sector uh but it surrounds the

560
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:50,079
jail
and uh I think it would be a great

561
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:56,480
addition to the complex. Uh it hides the
jail from the balance of the county real

562
00:44:52,400 --> 00:45:00,160
estate. Uh when you look at it,
when you drive up County Farm Road, you

563
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:07,440
wouldn't even see it. You wouldn't even
see the jail. Uh which I think is

564
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:11,040
another uh great uh component
improvement.

565
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:18,000
» Right. So, we're going to uh have this
uh go out and uh I'm going to ask that

566
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:23,599
you forward just a this video to if they
to um and the site plan to members of

567
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:27,440
the delegation. We're not ready to we're
not ready to we're not even ready to do

568
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:29,760
anything with it yet. But I want but
I've had a lot of legislators call me

569
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:34,480
about it. So
>> the only thing I say, Mr. Chairman, is

570
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:42,400
remember at least
for me looking at who's initiated

571
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:48,640
um to be on the ballot.
A third you can send this you can send

572
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:53,280
this now, but a third of those people
won't be here. And we're not asking any

573
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,160
of the current delegation to vote on
anything.

574
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,480
» And we're not spending and we're not
spending any county money,

575
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,800
» right?
>> And they're going to say to us that

576
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:05,040
we're hiding stuff.
>> Well, plus they're going to say, you

577
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:07,119
know, what's what uh you know, they're
going to want to know about

578
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,160
» Oh, they're going to want to know
everything. And

579
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:17,040
» and we are going to be at the
disadvantage of because this is because

580
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:21,040
you've chosen to share this with the
public in its infancy,

581
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:26,880
» right? In other words, as it's
developed, instead of throwing the the

582
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:32,319
final deal, so to speak, on the table,
you're sharing it in pieces as we're

583
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,599
learning.
>> Um,

584
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,560
» yeah, you're right.
>> You know, we're we're going to share

585
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:37,839
this and people are going to ask us
questions,

586
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,960
» questions, and we don't have the answers
>> and we don't have the answers because we

587
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:48,240
haven't developed it that far yet,
>> right? But I think it's a tribute to

588
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:51,599
how you guys chose to do this by
exposing this literally as we're

589
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,880
learning,
>> right? It's just an open an open process

590
00:46:54,079 --> 00:47:00,720
as far as I'm concerned. So, it is what
it is. So, uh but I think it's kind of I

591
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:07,680
think it'll be kind of neat and be a
great addition to the complex. Um

592
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:11,280
so, uh we we just put it up on our
website. That's

593
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,520
work in progress. If they want to see
it, just go on the website. They can see

594
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,319
it.
>> Yeah. That's that's the concept.

595
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:17,920
» And and we can certainly forward it
after the election.

596
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,920
» Sure.
>> You know, which is that delegation

597
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,480
that's likely to be more actively
involved involved at some point. At some

598
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:31,200
point.
>> Yeah. Okay.

599
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,839
All righty. Uh item four, we got item
four then unless you got anything else

600
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:40,400
on this?
>> No. Okay. Uh item four is our upcoming

601
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,960
events. Uh, item five, old and new
business.

602
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:48,480
» I I have a piece of uh I guess it's new
business, Mr. Chairman, and and a

603
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:54,000
request of the commission.
>> Um, I received a through Janet a rather

604
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:58,800
substantial
right to know request

605
00:47:56,319 --> 00:48:03,359
and um
I can't

606
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:07,760
finish that. So, I'm requesting that you
allow me to hire help to answer that

607
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,720
right to know request. you've it's been
shared with you. We shared it with you

608
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,599
guys.
>> It's a ton of work.

609
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:19,599
» It's eight It's eight When you print it
out, it's eight pages of requests and

610
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:23,440
while not all of them will translate to
an answer because the answer doesn't

611
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:28,319
exist.
I still have to do my due diligence to

612
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:36,480
check out each and every one of those
requests. and and I have multiple jobs

613
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:40,720
now as as as
we've talked about the nursing home, the

614
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:47,200
county administration plus community
corrections. Um there's just one of me

615
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:51,760
and and the answers that are required
there are pretty

616
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:58,800
need to do there needs to be some due
diligence to answer them correctly. So I

617
00:48:55,200 --> 00:49:02,480
am uh asking that Who would hire?
>> I don't know. I I haven't done that. I I

618
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:07,280
haven't gone that far because I didn't
want to do it if you guys were going to

619
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:14,000
say no. But it it will obviously
what I'm thinking is that I've been

620
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:19,520
approached recently by a a master's
level student from UNH

621
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:26,079
um who was interested in public
administration. It's his major. and um

622
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:30,160
thinking that um he this might be a
project that he might be interested in

623
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:34,079
assisting me with. I haven't approached
him because [snorts] if you guys said

624
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:38,400
no, then I didn't want to say, "Hey, can
you help me pay him?"

625
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:42,960
» Well, I would say I don't think he's
going to do it for nothing. Um if I was

626
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:47,760
him, I wouldn't do it for nothing. Um
you know, so you know, he's a college

627
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:51,760
student. He's probably, you know, would
love some money,

628
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:58,480
» some extra money. So, I I would if you
guys just say okay with the concept, I

629
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:01,920
would get back to you uh with uh more
specifics.

630
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:07,920
» I think it's a no-brainer because he can
only do so much and it's times better

631
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:13,520
spent doing other things than that. So,
I'm totally going to Yeah,

632
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:17,200
» I agree. But I mean,
>> it's just crazy. We have an eightpage

633
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:21,359
request
to find out about documents about our

634
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:25,119
ideas of housing.
>> Yeah. Which I don't even need yet.

635
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:30,160
» That's asking us for our personal
emails, personal text messages

636
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:33,680
about anything to do with this. And
we're going to hire someone and the

637
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:37,920
taxpayers are going to pay for that.
>> Because we're trying to help.

638
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,760
» I don't I don't I I don't
>> I'm sorry.

639
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:42,319
» I can only do so much. I
>> It's just really frustrating. Um

640
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,480
» I can only do so much. But yes, if
that's what we have to do because we

641
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,319
have to answer that.
>> Well, I'll get back to you with more

642
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:51,559
specifics.
>> Okay.

643
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,559
» Okay.

644
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:58,160
All right. Well, any of the old Oh, I've
got one piece of new business. I just

645
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:03,680
got a vice off the phone.
uh with Easter Seals.

646
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:08,000
Uh uh they had an emergency meeting of
their board. Um

647
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:14,240
and
as a result of actions by uh executive

648
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:17,680
counselor Stevens because of course they
were shutting down their programming for

649
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:24,160
their adult daycare program and their
homemaker services in Manchester.

650
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:31,839
He had a meeting with the governor and
uh the board of Easter Seals has met and

651
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:39,200
reversed their decision.
So uh but however, this is how it's

652
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:42,559
going to play out as I understand it. uh
is that they're going to continue to do

653
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:50,960
the adult daycare program which is good
news because I had uh I was having Ry

654
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:56,000
look at what we could do as you all as
you both are aware of what we could do

655
00:51:53,200 --> 00:52:00,800
to provide adult daycare the nursing
home program went away but now they're

656
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:07,599
reversing their decision. They're going
to do continue to do adult daycare

657
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:11,760
um uh for the time being and they're
working

658
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:16,640
with the state to pro find other
providers

659
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:22,160
uh by June
of next year uh to provide homemaker

660
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:26,160
services, but it's a wait and see. Uh
but they just wanted us to know. I just

661
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,680
got off the phone with them before I
walked in here.

662
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,559
» So they'll continue to Right. So,
they're going to continue the

663
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:39,760
programming as a result of the the
actions of what the governor took and um

664
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:45,839
uh and continue it. So, I'm assuming
we're going to continue to do get bills

665
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:49,520
from them. Uh and they just said that,
you know, they would let us know when

666
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:57,440
when they know more.
>> Just a quick thing, Mr. chairman is that

667
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,760
this would time this would be timing
with our budget coming up,

668
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,920
» right?
>> That's correct.

669
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:08,800
» For us to see um
I've always been curious if we could

670
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:15,040
carve out Straford County. Um you know,
and and so it might mean a larger

671
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,839
contribution to us, which would in the
long run be a savings to us,

672
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,960
» right?
um by not needing nursing home

673
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,319
admissions.
>> And it depends, right? It depends on

674
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:27,119
what they do, Ray. What the state
decides to do with

675
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,400
» Well, I mean, we can't do it alone. I
mean, you know that you you announced

676
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:36,079
that they're talking a million dollar
deficit in that in those programs. We're

677
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,680
certainly, but that's a statewide
deficit, right?

678
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:45,040
» You know, they happen to have a a
homemaker center here in Stratford

679
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:50,160
County. Um, so you know, we're thinking
that maybe um, you know, I don't know.

680
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,200
I'm just
>> my mind's thinking and and it's just

681
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,319
turning over.
>> No question will have some kind of a

682
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,400
budget impact, but we just don't know
what because it's a that again, this is

683
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:04,160
a situation. I just got the phone call.
So, this thing's going to it's going to

684
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,559
play itself out. We're just going to
have to see how it how it plays out.

685
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,480
That's all.
>> Yeah. Control.

686
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:14,800
» I'm I'm just planting the seed that it
might be willing. It might be it makes

687
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:19,760
some sense on our part to be a larger
contributor if it continues to services

688
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:22,000
specifically in our county,
>> right?

689
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,440
» You know, that's obviously, you know,
we're not going to spend our county

690
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,839
money for anybody else, but it just
seems that we might be in a little

691
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,800
better shape because of how things are
physically located,

692
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:37,040
» right? Yep.
And you know depending on nature of what

693
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:40,480
they determine how they want to have how
they carve up the pie for lack of a

694
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:44,720
better term we may end up having two or
three different providers.

695
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:48,400
» I understand you know I don't know I
don't I don't know but I agree with you.

696
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,599
We we some certainly to look at the
budget next year whoever whoever sits

697
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,720
here
>> we'll have to deal with that.

698
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,480
» Uh but you know some
>> so I'm just planting the seed.

699
00:54:56,319 --> 00:55:03,440
» Yeah. Well that makes sense. That makes
sense.

700
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:10,240
Uh I think that's it. We're still on
we're still on uh schedule with uh

701
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:15,760
warming center. I was just over there
this morning. Right.

702
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:18,640
» They are. Yeah. And uh that's all I have
to do business. You guys have any new

703
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:23,760
business?
>> Can can I just ask a question? Sure.

704
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:28,160
» So is the next part because I go by
there, you know, pretty much every day.

705
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:30,880
is is so the next part will be the the
framing part of it.

706
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,920
» They almost had the deck done when I
went by this morning. Then the walls

707
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:36,079
will start going up.
>> Okay. You know,

708
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:40,880
» it'll be the outer wall.
>> I'm not much of a builder guy,

709
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:45,520
» you know, except to hire somebody to
redo my kitchen and

710
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:51,440
» but it's it's getting there. We have a
sink that works.

711
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:57,040
» So, uh All right. So, let's uh really we
don't have any older new any further old

712
00:55:53,200 --> 00:56:02,720
and new business. Um, I did get a call
from Seammens just to let you all know

713
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:07,599
um that uh they're moving forward that
NG audit that we talked about.

714
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:12,480
» They don't have anything to report.
They're just

715
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:16,880
doing it. They're just doing it. So,
we'll see how that all happens. And as

716
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:23,440
soon as we get the results of that, uh,
we'll certainly have it on public

717
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:26,480
agenda. Um, okay. And then if there's no
other old and new business, we'll move

718
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:31,040
our item number six, which questions or
comments from the public related to this

719
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,359
into the agenda. So Susan, you're here
today. Good morning.

720
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:37,680
» Hi. How are you?
>> Good. So do you have any questions? I

721
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:44,480
know I also see Fosters is up there. One
other thing I want to bring up if I may.

722
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:51,839
Um I received a call from uh Karen
Danderan after our last meeting. Uh it

723
00:56:48,160 --> 00:57:00,319
was uh and she had requested just to let
you two know uh she had requested uh

724
00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:04,480
some kind of image from uh us uh that
would show the affordable housing

725
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:08,000
project which so I had answered some of
her questions uh that was in that

726
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:11,920
article
>> um just to let you know but that took

727
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,880
place after our commissioner's meeting
and

728
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:19,599
» and and it probably would have taken
place during the commissioner's meeting

729
00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:23,839
» right had We hadn't rushed if we had a
demand for the use of the owl

730
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:27,920
» downstairs at the sheriff's meeting and
had to cut the meeting off at 10:00.

731
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:32,240
» Yeah, if you remember. So, we we've
spoken to Janet about not

732
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:37,920
» and it's not her fault. Our meetings
don't normally go that long.

733
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:43,200
» So, we've we've spoken to Janet about
not scheduling those things back to back

734
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:46,400
so that there won't be any like kind of
time deadline on when they end the

735
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:53,839
commissioner. Yeah.
>> And so the u also chair was an error

736
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:57,599
because I saw those folks on the zoom
call and I didn't ask if them if they

737
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:01,040
had any comment cuz we were running out.
We were we were pressed for time.

738
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:05,760
» I saw Karen up there but I didn't
realize it was Karen Dander uh from

739
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:11,839
Fauces. I thought it was uh a former
employee that's been uh coming in and

740
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:17,680
watching some of our meetings. So, uh,
in any event, um, I'm going to open it

741
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:21,920
up for questions or comments. Uh, if
there's any questions, why don't I ask

742
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:25,040
Karen? Karen, are you out there? Are you
got you on mute? Do you have any

743
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:31,680
questions for us?
>> I am here. Um, no, no, no real questions

744
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:36,079
except I will of course request a copy
of that video in the site plan for the

745
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:39,920
affordable housing.
>> Yeah, we'll forward it to you, Bill. You

746
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,680
can forward there, right? Yeah, it was
nice looking.

747
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:45,359
» Yeah,
>> I can u copy it and send it from

748
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,880
» Yeah, we'll copy it and
>> we'll copy and send that to you. It's on

749
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:52,079
YouTube. It's our YouTube link if I
remember correctly.

750
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,440
» I'm not sure where the
>> Yeah, I mean, you could just send me the

751
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:59,359
link. I think I think our our photo
department is like brilliant at doing

752
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:03,200
stuff,
but they are.

753
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:08,880
» You got to get you got to get an updated
uh site plan. We can scan that in and

754
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:15,280
send that to you. Perfect. I would and I
would appreciate if you said that uh

755
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:21,040
these uh and the $45 million uh figure
that I'd given you was all work that was

756
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:26,319
donated to the county um at no cost to
us. Um so I would appreciate that, you

757
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:30,720
know, if you write an article about it
that you include that in there.

758
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:33,520
» I did get that except not the 45
million. Nobody's giving you $45

759
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:37,760
million.
>> No. Yeah. I know the 45 million was a

760
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:39,760
figure I just got this day or two ago.
Um

761
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:43,920
» yes, I will make it clear that that's
not a firm set in stone.

762
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:49,280
» It's just an estimated cost.
>> No. Yeah, no problem.

763
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:53,040
» Well, that you estimated on 174 units. I
don't know where that came from. I don't

764
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:59,760
I don't I haven't even had time to look
through any of the progress uh

765
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:03,119
information that Hutter has been sharing
with Warren Street. HUD probably shared

766
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:06,400
something or if you might have said
shared something with Hutter. It's

767
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:10,400
really the reverse because Hutter was
the one I asked for the estimate from.

768
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:15,200
So I there's some dynamics there. We
still were we got to still figure out.

769
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:19,760
But u in any event uh if you have any
other questions let me know.

770
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:26,000
» Dare I ask about Haidider House?
>> You can ask. Uh that's fine. [laughter]

771
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:32,799
They're still doing their IT issue. It
seems to be the biggest hold up at this

772
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:40,640
point. Um but they are anxious to uh
move forward with it. Uh and uh they

773
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:44,960
even went so far as to apologize
uh they apologized to me uh and I was

774
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:50,160
supposed to share that with my
colleagues um that it's t it's taken

775
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:55,520
this long. They had he's given them a
deadline of the end of this uh August

776
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:58,400
30th
>> internally.

777
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:05,119
Then he's supposed to then he's supposed
to forward us a uh uh a copy of anou.

778
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:11,200
» You know, one of the things that'll be
discussed in thatou just to share with

779
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:14,799
you is as to the length of time.
Um

780
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:20,559
because if they're going to if they're
going to, you know, if they're going to

781
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:25,680
uh uh
provide uh and spend a lot of money,

782
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:30,160
they're going to want to have some time
here. you know. So,

783
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:35,680
» uh
I don't have any idea of what length of

784
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:40,240
time. No one's shared that with us uh
with the commission or anyone else that

785
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:43,920
I'm aware of or Mr. Bower. So, that'll
be an interesting discussion that we'll

786
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:47,520
have in terms of the length of time. I
hope it's as long as possible. There's

787
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:51,599
no I don't think there's any objection
from our end, you know,

788
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:56,000
» whether they're three years or five
years. I mean, it's just I mean, we've

789
01:01:53,920 --> 01:02:01,040
had those other argrments before with
other providers, so we'll just uh we'll

790
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,079
see how that all goes.
>> I'll keep watching.

791
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:09,200
» All righty.
>> Thank you.

792
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:11,119
» You're welcome. Um Susan, you got a
question?

793
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:15,200
» Are you avoiding me today?
>> No, no. I just wanted to get Fosters in

794
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:19,599
because [laughter]
>> because we cut him off last time, right?

795
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:23,520
» We cut him off and
>> Okay. So my my first comment is to you

796
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,079
George.
>> Yeah.

797
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,880
» Thank you for being transparent today.
>> Yeah.

798
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:33,839
» Okay. Because
that is the premise of me is being

799
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:39,088
transparent and accountable and those
are lessons that I've learned in my

800
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:44,319
years of public service. So thank
[clears throat] you. My second is with

801
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:47,920
regard to Easter sales. Do we know that
for a definite fact that they have

802
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:51,520
reversed this decision? because I've had
a lot of conversations and I would like

803
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:57,119
to be able to go back to some of the
people I've had communication with um

804
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:59,920
because
>> well they told me that I can only tell

805
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:02,880
you what I was told on the
>> exactly

806
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:06,880
» which was that they did reverse the
board met and reverse their decision

807
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:12,960
» and that is
>> that's good news. It's good news because

808
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:18,559
that is a service that
um many families

809
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:23,359
rely upon. Um if you're trying to make
it in this world,

810
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:30,480
families are out there working. They
have elderly or friends or whatever that

811
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:35,200
they take care of and they need a day
program for them. They do. Um or

812
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:40,400
sometimes it's just a matter of giving
them a break during the day to have

813
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,799
somebody
that they trust take care of their

814
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:50,559
family or their friends.
>> We have provided resper services here at

815
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:56,319
the county for many many many years. Um
it's a really valuable thing to have.

816
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:59,200
You know, you can't you can't have this
system you can't have a system that

817
01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:03,839
turns around and says everybody's on
their own. uh you know, prior

818
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:08,799
generations learned that that just
doesn't work. Uh and I know that Ry

819
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:12,799
that's been that's been a particular
phone in my side for a very very long

820
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,280
time, but that it it's just becoming
more and more difficult, you know,

821
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,960
because I just have
>> you just don't have the role. Well, I I

822
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:25,359
I probably should have clarified it when
the admissions person was here, but I

823
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:30,240
mean, we have a long waiting list, but I
don't it's there's only a certain

824
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:33,039
portion of that list that I would call
critical.

825
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,760
» You know, people will call and say, "Oh,
I want to get put on your waiting list

826
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:41,520
cuz I know you have a long waiting
list." So, you know, and I might not be

827
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:47,200
quite ready yet, but I had a
cutest husband and wife came in. Uh,

828
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:53,280
» is this the 32nd story?
>> Maybe. It might not be.

829
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:57,520
Cutest husband and wife came in. Um, and
I met them the other day and they were

830
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:02,000
just planning for themselves.
So they wanted to go around the various

831
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:09,280
nursing homes and look and and check on
things and and u um the husband u could

832
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:14,880
ambulate the wife was in a wheelchair
and well I don't know the specifics of I

833
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:20,000
didn't look in into the specifics of the
medical situation I just thought that I

834
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:26,000
think people get are scared I think
they're they're scared that they're

835
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:29,839
going to be in a situation and not have
>> planned for it and and just all of a

836
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:36,400
sudden they're there and there's going
to be no room at the end. And I I think

837
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:42,640
that's um I've seen other signs of it,
but that one yesterday or the day before

838
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:48,000
was a clear sign that I've ever seen.
I think you're going to start seeing,

839
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:53,920
this is my own personal observation,
that

840
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:59,119
just looking at those of us in this room
were

841
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:02,319
either getting there or we're already
>> we're already there

842
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:06,319
» there. [laughter]
And

843
01:06:04,319 --> 01:06:11,760
it's just another function of having to
plan in life. And there are some that

844
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:18,480
just they put the blinders on and they
just think that this whole concept is

845
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:20,000
just going to go away and it's not. And
>> including members of our county

846
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,240
delegation
>> I was just going to say that 40% of the

847
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:27,039
delegation.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They all Yeah.

848
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:31,200
» Well, plus you know I I just
reviewed an article from the Alzheimer's

849
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:38,640
Association. Now remember this
association does nothing but focus on on

850
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:42,160
dementia. And they're talking about
almost the exact same statistics that

851
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:46,319
you talked about. I mean, you were
talking about New Hampshire statistics.

852
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:49,119
They're talking about nationwide
statistics

853
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:52,240
» and they're talking about the doubling
of dementia, you know, in the next 30

854
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:59,920
years.
>> And and while we had people stand up in

855
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:03,200
at our meetings when we talked about the
nursing home saying, "Oh, dementia is

856
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:07,760
going to be cured. We're not going to
have dementia anymore." And then you

857
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:15,839
have an association that does nothing
but research and fund raise to help

858
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:20,720
eliminate dementia saying that even
based on their best efforts

859
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:27,200
it's going to double in the next 30
years. And and I'm thinking, you know,

860
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:30,160
yeah, count me in. You know, if I'm if I
live anywhere near that long, I'm I'm

861
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:37,039
probably going to be one of those
people. But um uh you know it's just

862
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:42,480
it's a it's a scary thought for those
people that are of age that need to

863
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:47,680
support
people that you know are are going to be

864
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:53,119
that old. My my parents have passed.
Sy's parents have passed. Uh but you

865
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:58,799
know now I think my kids are just
worried about me and Sandy. You know,

866
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:01,760
there was a recently, and I probably
shouldn't talk about this publicly, but

867
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,480
I'm going to do it because it irritates
me.

868
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:08,559
» Um,
there was a couple in here in New

869
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:14,079
Hampshire, and I'm not going to give you
any more information than that.

870
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:16,960
We're elderly, and they had no children,
and they were worried. They were both

871
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:24,880
about the same age, and they were
worried about uh what was going to

872
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:29,040
happen to them. uh they they they just
outlived their social security. I mean,

873
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:34,000
you know, the usual pressures that we're
all that everyone's facing,

874
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:40,480
you know, cost of rents, you know, cost
of living, all those things that are

875
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:46,640
really what matter to people, okay? And
as a result of it, uh they held each

876
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:51,600
other hand hand and
husband shot his wife in the head and he

877
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:56,319
shot himself.
uh because I didn't think there was any

878
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:58,400
future for them and that is
>> it happens more often than what you

879
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:03,120
realize.
>> That's right. That's right. And it's

880
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:07,040
wrong. Okay. It's it's wrong.
>> The richest society in the world,

881
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:11,759
» right? The richest society in the world,
we have people having that think that

882
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:19,279
they have to do that because they don't
see any way out. And in that, I'm

883
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:24,640
passionate about this because in our old
presentation, in our first presentation

884
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:30,080
of nursing home, we had 180 units of
curlage that those folks could have

885
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:36,560
moved to and we could have a been able
to help them out. Uh, and I'm passionate

886
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:41,120
about it because I've been here a long
time. I've been in public office 50

887
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:47,359
years and I've seen it my entire life.
And it seems like every time we turn

888
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:52,560
around, we we, you know, don't want to
talk about some of the harsh realities

889
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:59,440
that that exist and how it affects
people. And I've I was taught by

890
01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:03,520
old-time politicians that tell you that
taugh taught me that we're here to help

891
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:07,840
people. And if we can't help people, I
don't know why we're here because that's

892
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:11,679
the bottom line. And something like
that, having that happen, tragedy like

893
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:16,880
that in New Hampshire, just makes me
sick. And it's about time that uh our

894
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:23,040
leaders, not only statewide, but
nationally, uh

895
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:27,920
recognize the pressures that people are
under uh and especially our elderly. If

896
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:33,040
you think if you think of that
generation, Rey, you know what I'm

897
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:38,080
talking about here. That generation
went through the depression. were now in

898
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:40,800
their late 80s and in their 90s. Okay.
They grew up with nothing.

899
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:44,880
» Yep. My parents
>> Yeah. My my mother, she's 90 years old.

900
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:49,280
She they grew up she went through the
depression. Okay. She was a depression

901
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:52,719
baby. She went through the World War.
Those people won't ask for help. Like

902
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:58,000
you mentioned earlier, they won't ask
you for anything. They had nothing when

903
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:01,280
they were young. So their their focus is
that they okay, well, I'll have nothing

904
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:05,760
in the end.
And it's it's just a sad it's a sad

905
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:09,040
statement about what we're doing.
>> No, they've just never been able to get

906
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:12,320
ahead of the curve, you know. I mean,
they they just never been able to get

907
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:16,480
ahead of the curve. I mean, my parents
were fortunate. My father, you know, got

908
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:20,880
a really good job when he got out of the
military and and they were able to

909
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:24,800
retire
adequately. I wouldn't call it I'm not

910
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:29,120
sure I'd call it comfortably, but you
know, adequately. And and uh it's just

911
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:34,080
wrong. It's just wrong. My mom my mom
working ourselves lucky

912
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:37,920
» a dollar 10 cents an hour at Claristat
when uh and then she went to Eastern Air

913
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,400
Devices when they when Charlie Croco
>> and I remember

914
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:45,040
» when Charlie Croco was our county
treasurer rest his soul when they found

915
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:50,080
out my mother was pregnant with me they
fired her

916
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:55,920
okay so I can't necessarily blame them
for how that turned out [laughter]

917
01:11:53,600 --> 01:12:00,320
» I don't think that's necessarily you
know I mean if they they must have had a

918
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:03,920
really good crystal ball.
Figured that one out. I never forgave

919
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,719
Charlie for that because when he was
serving in here as county treasur with

920
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:10,320
me, I said, you know, Charlie, I had to
listen to you and you the way you guys

921
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:12,480
were doing business, you know, out of
this floating in the river a long time

922
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:17,840
ago.
>> In any event, um, you know, they fired.

923
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:21,600
» So that's what they did in that
generation. That's just what happened.

924
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:26,400
And those people still exist. They're
old now. And, you know, when they live

925
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:30,719
trying to live on,00 bucks a month, give
me a break. and we just sit back here

926
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:34,080
and we all talk about it. That's one of
the reasons why I'm so passionate about

927
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:39,120
getting this affordable housing project
forward because it needs to happen.

928
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:43,760
Okay? It just needs to and with four and
five year wait list at the housing

929
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:48,239
authority. We're just losing our way.
That's the way I look at it. But that's

930
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:52,320
just me.
Anyway, we get any other questions or

931
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:57,520
comments from the public?
>> Well, you've shared some of your uh

932
01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:00,880
history. Some of my history was my
grandfather was a sluckman for many

933
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:05,679
years and my grandmother was the welfare
agent.

934
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:10,480
» I remember three, four, five years old
being there. People knocking on the door

935
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:15,199
and my grandmother giving them
>> eggs and milk cuz they had chickens,

936
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:18,960
they had cows. It's a different time,
okay? You didn't have some of the

937
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:24,800
regulations you have today, right? And
there was a check there for a couple of

938
01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:32,080
dollars to go so that they could buy
some groceries to get them through.

939
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:36,000
There was neighbors that worked at
because their husbands had passed away

940
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:42,560
and they were in their 80s. They were
still waitressing tables.

941
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:49,520
There was always a plate of food for
them when they came home or we delivered

942
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:56,480
food. So these are things that
there's some of us that understand

943
01:13:52,400 --> 01:14:02,000
and who still I grew up that way. I
practiced that method and hopefully I've

944
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:06,640
taught my children that and that's
something that I think that we need to

945
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:12,159
continue to set those examples and I'm
off my high horse for today.

946
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:15,600
» Yeah, that's good. I hear you. the uh
anytime, you know, I I just don't

947
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:19,120
understand when Catholic Charities went
to Rochester and wanted to build that

948
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:23,360
affordable housing project, why people
like Cliff Newton and and many others

949
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:28,159
showed up and said they were against it.
I mean, I don't I I just don't I I I

950
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:34,719
don't understand that thought process.
No. And uh I I I get it, but I don't

951
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:38,320
understand it. I don't even get it.
>> Do something about it,

952
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:42,880
» right? And if somebody nonprofit sector
is willing to do it, I mean, give me a

953
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,679
break. Anyway,
I'll get off my high horse now. How's

954
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:51,920
that?
>> Well, I wore the boots today.

955
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:56,400
» Yeah, I see that. Yeah. All righty. Uh,
I see there's somebody else has joined

956
01:14:53,440 --> 01:15:02,360
us on the Zoom. Uh, is anybody else out
there in Cyberland that wants to ask a

957
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,360
question of the commission?

958
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:07,520
No,
I guess we're all set then. Okay. Then

959
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:11,040
the chair entertained a motion to move
in a non-public session. The purpose of

960
01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:17,600
discussing personnel was contract
negotiations been moved and seconded. Is

961
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:21,760
a roll call. Commission
11 myself. Okay. The commission will

962
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:24,080
retire in a non public session.
Thank you.