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» Okay. The chair will call this meeting
of border county commissioners to order

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on September 10th, 2026.
First item I Oh, before we move on,

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Commissioner Feliciano is away on
important business. I couldn't be here

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this morning. Uh she's actually on her
way to Florida to be with her

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grandchildren as they're having a
grandchildren's grandparents day at uh

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somewhere in Florida wherever she's
headed and uh she wanted to be with her

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grandchildren which is a much more
important thing but they're going to be

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here that's for sure. Good.
>> So, um, with that said, chair obtain a

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motion to approve the minutes of August
27th.

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» Move that. I'll second that. Make any
ses?

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No. Not hearing. All those in favor of
adoption to give by saying I oppose. I

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vote unanimous. Okay. Item two, Mr. B.
An update from some department heads.

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» Who wants to go first?
>> Sure.

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» Go ahead, Keith.
Um,

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» come sit at the table if you don't mind.
>> Ah, sure.

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» Um, so yeah, um, just like say that, you
know, I feel like, uh, housekeeping,

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laundry department, um, we were kind of
the the first thing people recognize

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when coming into a facility, right? So,
we kind of set the tone for a lot of

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these other departments when, you know,
new people come in, the work we do. Um,

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we're the first line of defense against
uh preventing

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uh spread of germs, disinfecting high
surfaces. Um,

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uh, you know, doorork knobs, handrails,
and whatnot. Um, and we work closely

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with uh the infection control
coordinator, nursing, uh, and many other

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departments uh to make sure that that
happens. Um, we're we're kind of

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I don't want to say we go unrecognized,
but we're we're kind of on the back

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burner a little bit uh with some of
these other departments. Um but the work

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we do, it definitely goes um it helps
with the residents dignity of life. It

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helps with their safety and their uh
their quality of life. So um we do

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things such as deep cleaning rooms on a
regular basis. Um

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and uh we uh refinish the floors.
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and uh we have uh Mike Daniels who who
does a lot of works with restoring

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bedrooms and whatnot and facilities. So
>> yeah. So, as as um rooms become open, um

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we try and get Mike in there real quick
before we you know, it might postpone,

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you know, the filling of a room for a
day or so, but it's it's an opportunity,

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you know, the best opportunity comes
when when the room's vacant. So, um

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Mike Mike will go in and and strip
everything down, repaint

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» Yeah. everything we need to do with the
walls and and everything else to get it

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done.
>> Yeah.

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» So, and that that's worked out pretty
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» Yes. Continues to work out too.
>> Oh, the department does a great job

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because you're right. That's the first
thing people do when they walk in orders

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from homeless is they try to judge the
environment that

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» also remember that when we have survey
it's unannounced.

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» Yeah. So it's not like we know survey is
coming. We better clean the place. You

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know the the everything needs to be
clean because survey can walk in at at

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any time.
>> You know their normal is 9 to 12 n I'm

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sorry 9 to 15 months from the last
survey.

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But if they get a complaint, uh, which
we could generate the complaint or I've

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never had a family generate a complaint,
interestingly enough, but if we we have

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a lot of obligations to self-report
things. So they could a lot of times

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they'll just call us to resolve the
issues after D

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does the investigations, but they could
just decide to walk in at any time.

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So, you know, there's
>> I um I also do laundry also, which uh

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you know, the processing of personal
clothing, getting it back to them in a

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timely manner and whatnot. Um
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with the residents, getting to know them
firsthand and whatnot. So, a lot of

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times they hear things and are able to,
you know, get that information back to

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the appropriate departments and whatnot
so things can be resolved. So, yeah. And

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you know that Lynon is done by the jail
and um and I think they do a really good

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job.
>> Yeah. Mark Garcia and I we we talk

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regularly and and Yep.
>> I was looking um yesterday when we went

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for a tour around I
was looking at the laundry carts and and

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um looked really good. I mean, stuff
coming from from the I didn't dig

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through them. Obviously, that's an
infection issue, but um from what I can

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see, things looked really good.
>> Okay. Have you got any questions? Sean,

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all I know is you you guys you guys are
doing a great job over there. Super job

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keeping the facility clean given the
nature of what you're

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you know,
>> it's a little more difficult with a

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building as old as it is.
>> As old as it is.

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» It is.
>> Yeah. But I remember old Al Gier over

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there waxing the floors and every time I
go over to the facility, he'd always

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say, "Look at those floors." Like those
floors.

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» He took great pride in those. So did
Brucey Hans.

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» Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Yeah. Bless
his soul. Yeah.

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» They're both both gone now.
>> They were good. They were good people.

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» Well, thank you, my friend. Of course.
Thanks for everything you do.

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» You're up. up for dietary here. So
>> dietary so dietary's been working really

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hard just to improve the menu. I'm very
excited to share that pre as long as I

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can remember we've had two 3 week cycles
and now we're changing it to um three

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three week cycles. So we're going to
have spring, summer and then we just

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fall by itself and then winter. This
actually allows more variety for the

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residents in which we meet with them at
least once a month. We meet with them

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» they help us. They guide us on what
they'd like to see on the menus,

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» you know, in that monthly in that
monthly meeting. So, it's not just us

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putting together, you know, what we
think they're going to like, you know,

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they get to help us
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» So, every four months it's changing.
used to be every six months. Yeah. So,

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it's kind of exciting for the cooks,
too, because they're not getting as

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bored and they're starting to be really
creative and just getting into it. So,

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» that's cool. How are you making up with
food pricing?

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» The prices is pretty good. We shop
around. We meet with the Navigator um

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purchasing group and he helps guide us
the, you know, less prices and stuff.

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» We buying all our local stuff. Where is
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» Yep. Yep. the fish and bread and all
local vendors.

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» Yeah.
>> The other thing is too we you know we do

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the specialty dinners for birthdays and
and anniversaries where you know the

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residents will get to pick their menus.
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» You know for that special day. Um
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that dietary is doing a cake for and

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so we get to do those kinds of things.
you know, that make things just a little

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extra special. I I I will say something
that and I I have to be careful about

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how I say it. We had a resident that
waited to go

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um to a place closer to home for him.
So, he's been with us for quite some

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time. And he went to a nursing home
somewhere in the Lakes region,

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not a county. and he waited uh he got in
and 3 days he asked to come back. Um and

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it was a lot of it was related to food.
Um in fact it was pretty much all

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related to food related to safety. So
kind of I mean I

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I never want to feel good about uh
something that my resident has gone

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through
uh in in another facility because I

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think New Hampshire by and large has
good really good nursing homes county or

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private. But, um, I thought it was he
talked about variety meals and and

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really all those things that Jen was has
been talking about,

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um, that we try and offer. So, he's
coming back today.

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» Oh, very nice.
>> Yeah. He'll be back this afternoon.

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We're going We have to go fetch him, but
we will. Yes. Awesome.

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» Yeah. Right.
>> So, hopefully he likes the new fall

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menu.
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» That just started Tuesday. I can tell
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years ago, I mean, when the food is not
good, that's the first complaint that I

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hear.
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» And I haven't heard any complaints for a
long time since you guys have been

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there.
>> Thank you.

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» Dan before you. You know, I've never got
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my own personal complaint which is that
shasta cola. Okay, that's the word.

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But [laughter]
you know the uh so I I can't drink soda

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anymore anyway, but I for years I did.
>> That's awesome. [laughter]

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» I used to ask Nicole. Anyway, um
>> I can't chase her.

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» Yeah, chase Nicole. Yes. [laughter]

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» Oh my god, this stuff is horrible. I I
feel bad. I always said to myself by the

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time I leave here, I'm hoping we can
have a real Coke in there at some point,

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but I know it's expensive.
Any event, thanks for the thought. You

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know, the fact that I don't get any
complaints about food because

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» that's something that really gets people
upset, you know.

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» Oh, yeah.
And it's all because

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» we've had some great bakers and food
folks working over there in that

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department for a long time,
>> you know, and some of them gone up, you

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know, moved on.
>> Tough job.

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» I've asked Grace Le Point to come over,
you know, Grace being our consultant and

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and worked for us for a while. You're
on, Grace.

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» Okay. So, um, before I describe a nurse
consultant and before I describe what I

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do at Riverside, I think it makes sense
to talk about my history. I was the

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director of nursing of a nursing home in
New Hampshire for 28 years. And when I

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left there, I started working for the
state of New Hampshire doing um,

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surveys, inspecting nursing homes. I did
that for four years. And I will tell you

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that I inspected Riverside three years
in a row. Um, doing that made me aware

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in going to I've been to every facility
in the state and it's made me aware of

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what is best practice and I've seen
worse practice. And when Ry asked me to

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be a consultant at Riverside because of
having knowledge on both sides, the

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nursing home side and the regulatory
side, what I've tried to do is to bring

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best practice to Riverside. And what
happens is that I know as a surveyor

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when we would go into buildings and if
somebody had an issue, we would always

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talk to them about their systems and
that's what we've been trying to work on

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our systems. In the last couple of
years, we've worked on um I can give you

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a couple of examples. Um, a lot of
facilities get cited because a resident

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after a resident falls, a nurse will go
over, get that resident up, put them

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into bed, and then assess the resident.
And that is not a good system. So, what

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we've put into place is that any
resident who falls has to be assessed

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while still on the floor by two nurses
and then they can, you know, to

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determine if there's an injury. If there
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Um, they don't even get moved. Um, you
know, another best practice is when you

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have a resident who falls, um, we expect
the nurses to come up with an

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intervention of how to prevent another
fall. Because if you have a resident who

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falls and, um, you do nothing about it
and then, you know, 12 hours later they

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fall again and break their hip, then the
ownership is on you. Like, why didn't

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you put something in place? Why didn't
you do something? Um, one of the biggest

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things too is having um competencies.
We um for any procedure that's done in

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the facility, we have to make sure that
we have competent staff and that is in

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servicing people and also doing annual
competencies. As a surveyor, when we

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would go in and something an incident
happened, we would say to the

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administrative staff, did you educate
this person? do they know how to do

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this? Um, and that would make a
different big difference in the

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citation. So, as a result, we have um
started having a skills fair. Um, we

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have it in October. This year it's going
to be October 6th and 7th, I think. Um,

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and the staff go from 6:00 in the
morning to 4:00 in the afternoon, 2

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days, and we have all of the staff come
in and they know which areas they have

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to go to um to be educated and to have
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Um, one of the things that we've worked
on is um, what's called CMS, the Centers

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for Medicaid and Medicare have a
five-star program and um, every facility

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in the state is uh, given a star rating.
Um, the star rating is based on three

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areas. One of them is staffing, one of
them is quality measures and one of them

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is um, health inspections.
When I first started here, we were a two

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star. We are now a fivestar and have
been for quite a while. Um, so in the

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star rating, the staffing, Riverside
always gets a fivestar for staffing.

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Quality measures, that's a tough one.
And Riverside right now is a three star.

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And what the quality measures are are
there potential negative outcomes for a

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facility. So if you have a lot of
residents who take antiscychotic

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medication, if you have a lot of bed
sores, if you have a lot of weight loss,

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that all shows up in your quality
measures. There's not a lot you can do

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about the quality measures because we
have a lot of people taking

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antiscychotic medication. We have a
behavior unit and we have a dementia

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unit. There's really not much you can do
about that. But I will tell you that

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some of the areas like bed sores, we
never trigger for that. weight loss, we

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never trigger for that. So, talking
about the food, um the one thing and the

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way that I look at quality measures is
that you don't necessarily want to

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compare yourself to the state and
national. You want to compare yourself

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to yourself. We had this before. Have we
gotten any better in such and such an

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area? The big area that we can work on
and we have worked on are our health

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inspections.
um putting systems in place and making

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sure that people are educated and doing
things right has given us we in in um

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health inspections were a fourstar and
the way the fivestar system is set up is

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that there's a a calculation that they
use but um they have to divide it out.

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So there have to be a certain number of
one-star facilities. There have to be a

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certain number of five-star facilities
and then the other numbers in between.

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So if you work in a state that has bad
nursing homes like some of the southern

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states do, it's very easy to be a
fivestar facility. If you work in a

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state like New Hampshire that has really
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it is very difficult to be a five-star
facility. So it it actually it means a

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lot. The staff have worked very hard. It
re it means a lot to be a fivestar. And

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then to talk about what we're working on
right now. Um we're talking about and

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working on our skilled residents. So the
beds at Riverside are what I call duly

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certified. In other words, they can be
paid for the residenc can be paid for by

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Medicaid or it can be paid for by
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What happens is that some of the
facilities um the outside, not the

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county cones, but some of the other
facilities rely on those skilled

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residents for their
for their livelihood because skilled

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residents,
Medicare pays a lot of money for those

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residents to stay. For us, it's a little
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that if we have a long-term resident,
say, who's who is being paid by

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Medicaid, and they go into the hospital,
they have what's called a 3-day

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qualified hospital stay. When they come
back, they are qualified to have

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Medicare Part A pay for their stay. It
actually is a benefit to the facility

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because the facility gets more money
with Medicare Part A than it does with

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Medicaid. But there is another benefit
and I tried to explain this to staff

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when I was a director of nursing. Um my
mother was one of my residents and my

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mother actually went to the hospital
several times. She had a medical issue

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that she had to go to the hospital. each
time she went to the hospital. Um, she

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was a a teacher and an assistant
principal. So, she worked long-term and

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had a very good retirement. So, what
would happen is that when she stayed at

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the nursing home, her retirement would
go toward her stay there and then the

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state would pay the remaining amount
while she was being paid under Medicare

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Part A. her retirement amount would go
into her bank account because the

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facility was being paid by Medicare Part
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what would happen, I was her power of
attorney. So during those times, her her

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bank account would build up and we had
to make sure she didn't go too high. So,

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we bought her a recliner, we bought her
a TV, we bought her a bunch of clothes,

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and then it got to the point where she
didn't need anything. So, we actually

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started putting her money toward her
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A lot of people don't know about that. A
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benefit and you figure these people work
their whole lives. They deserve this

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benefit. And so, people look at it as,
oh, this is nice. You know, the facility

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is going to get more money. You know,
they're paid for by Medicare because

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you're going to do the services for
them. And those services include

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physical therapy, occupational therapy.
So, you're going to do the services. Why

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not have that benefit too that the
resident um you know is able to to get

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the extra money in their account?
Anyway, what we've done is um I've

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talked to Rey and he has um hired
somebody to come as a consultant and

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what she does, she's going to be doing
this independently. She actually works

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for and has worked for a couple of um
companies down in Massachusetts that bas

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have a lot of skilled or Medicare part A
residents and so she knows all of the

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all of the things that are needed
because obviously you don't want to be

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accused of Medicare fraud. Um, so she
knows what things are appropriate, what

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things are legal, um, as far as having
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that's the one thing in the facility.
The staff have not they have not been

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really trained on it. And as I said, you
know, we're required to have

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competencies and the staff aren't as
familiar with skilled care. So, she's

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going to be helping during that process.
Um, so yeah, it's there's been a lot

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going on, but
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us
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and the resident's family. Um, if we can
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reasonable
the and and it has a lot to do with

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diagnosises. It had it has a lot to do
with documentation by the by the various

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therapies. Now that we have a a
full-time physical therapist back again,

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um which took us several months to uh
that's a I'll tell you that's a um a job

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where there's not a lot of people.
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with your ability to provide skilled
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based on on a lot of physical therapy.
We were substituting occupational

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therapy. we were we did have, you know,
periodic physical therapy, but now that

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we have somebody full-time, it puts us
in a better situation

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uh to meet the demands that uh skilled
care puts. And and honestly,

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you know, it's like anything, you know,
you I'm I'm not afraid of an audit, you

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know, by Medicare. On the other hand,
I'm not inviting an audit either, you

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know, so we want to do things the right
way, right? and and the reimbursement

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is, you know, twice or three times what
our Medicaid reimbursement is. So,

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investing a little bit of money. What
we're doing is um

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» we can we can we're allowing this person
access, you know, so she can look in our

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computer how we've documented what we've
done and and uh you know, make some

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suggestions because this is this is her
whole life.

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» I mean, and and this is what she does.
So, we're we're working on that. It's a

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to me a small investment for a potential
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» What made me start thinking about it is
as I was in the facility, I would watch

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and we periodically have a resident, one
of our own that would come back skilled.

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But what when it really hit me was we
had a resident who was in the hospital,

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had a three-day qualifying stay, and
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And I'm not going to name the facility,
but it's a facility that I had inspected

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um several times that was probably one
of the worst facilities. And we almost

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made them survey as one of our focus
facilities. And I thought to myself, why

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would a resident from Riverside go to
the hospital and then go to this

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facility for rehab when there's rehab
and so much better care? Every it just

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didn't make sense to me. So once I saw
this, I started thinking about it and

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and talking to people and asking the
questions and then I realized, you know,

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that that it was
just happening that way. But again, in

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that particular resident's case, they
the physician at Riverside did not

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realize that Riverside does skilled
care. So that provider sent this

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resident to another facility. And and I
think that's what we need to I mean why

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should that facility get the Medicare A
coverage for a resident and not give

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them as good care as as they get at
Riverside? Well, you know, that was one

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of the proposals in the construction of
a new nursing was going to need more

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skilled care, create the physical
environments of that.

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Um, which I don't want to unilaterally
defeat it. But, uh, you know, moving in

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that direction is is something that
we're going to have to do. Everybody's

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going to have to do it because the
changes in the health care system are

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going to demand it. But it's it's better
for the resident not to be shuffled

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around from one facility to the next to
the next to the next. It's just,

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you know, this
it's through you folks's effort that all

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of you combined and other folks over
there that we were able to get that

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fivestar rating. And you know, I I just
don't think I know you were in the

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rating business in the survey. I just
don't believe that and it hasn't

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changed. This is a issue I discussed 20
years ago with the state regarding uh

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behavioral health. It wasn't recognized
by the state through our state plan in

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terms of reimbursement.
Uh and uh it hasn't changed much outside

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of the fact that we took we took on
those behavioral folks in the SBU and

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then we expanded it. That was a separate
deal. But but when you look at it, Ray,

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they they still haven't done a lot on
the behavioral end in terms of

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reimbursement in in in standard nursing
homes. Uh and that's been an ongoing

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debate.
>> And that fivestar program, it's a flawed

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system. I will tell you because as
surveyors, we used to walk into

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buildings and we tried not to look to
see what their you know their star

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rating was. But when we did now, we
would walk into a facility and go, "You

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have to be kidding me. this is a
fivestar or we would walk into other

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facilities that were maybe a twostar or
onear and say

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» oh my god how come they're only that
like they give really good care here so

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it it's a it's definitely a flawed
system

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» but it's the only system we have so far
and eventually

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you know government slow to respond to
things but eventually given the nature

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of dementia
and short of those uh especially here

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that that have voiced opinions to Mr.
Bower and I that tell you what you do

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need is a bologn sandwich and a shot of
whiskey and you can get rid of your

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dementia. Short of that uh we've been
kid multiple times uh until the system

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will adjust to it because the public
publicly held nursing homes are going to

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have no choice. within five years 100%
of our people have dementia as a primary

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secondary diagnosis
and uh that's going to create new

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challenges and the system's going to
have to change that. It's just going to

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have to do that whether it likes to or
not. That's what's going to occur. Uh

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but maybe maybe the bologn sandwich
needs mustard

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about [laughter] sandwich
baloney futures, right? That's no need

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to go but it's it's true or some of
whiskey one or the other. But anyway,

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thanks guys for all the work you've
done. We is reflected in that rating

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system. Um it's good for the public to
hear some of these things uh if they

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choose to tune in to learn
and uh hopefully some point uh the

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system will shoot the system's under
such traumatic change right now anyway

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that it's hot. It's difficult to figure
out what the future will bring, but um

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I'm proud of the fact that we have you
folks working for us.

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» Thank you.
>> Absolutely.

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» You [clears throat] do a good job of
making Ray and Commission look good. I

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appreciate him.
>> And we appreciate you guys' support with

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us over there.
>> All right. Thanks, guys.

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» Thanks, guys.
>> All right. Nice seeing you all.

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» Nice seeing you.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. Item number three is a
proclamation. uh regarding

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recognizing September 11th which is
tomorrow 25th anniversary of the attacks

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in New York uh commission has a
proclamation. I'm going to read uh it

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and uh it starts off whereas November
11th, 2026 marks the 25th anniversary of

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the terrorist attacks of September 11,
2001, a day that forever changed our

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nation and remains deeply etched in the
hearts and memories of the American

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people. And whereas the events of
September 11th demonstrated

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extraordinary courage and selfishness as
firefighters, law enforcement officers,

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emergency medical personnel, military
personnel, public servants, and ordinary

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citizens risk their lives to help
others.

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And whereas we honor the 343
firefighters and paramedics of the fire

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department of New York City, the 23 New
York police officers, the 37 port

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authority officers, and all other first
responders who made the ultimate

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sacrifice while serving others
and where our nation suffered the loss

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of over 2,996
innocent lives

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for attacks that were carried out
against the United states and where is

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the last 25 years since September 11th,
2001, our nation has continued to

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remember those who were lost, support
those who survived, care for those who

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continue to suffer from physical and
emotional consequences of that day, and

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recognize the sacrifices made by
generations of first responders and

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military personnel.
And whereas the 25th anniversary

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provides an opportunity for the people
of Straford County to pause and reflect

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upon the lives lost, the families
forever changed, the heroes who answered

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the call, and the enduring values of
courage, compassion, service, unity, and

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resilience.
And therefore, the Straford County

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Commissioners encourage all residents to
honor the memory September 11, 2001 by

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remembering those who were lost,
recognizing the sacrifices of first

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responders, members of the armed forces,
and reaffirming our commitment to

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support one another in times of need.
Therefore be it hereby be it proclaimed

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that the Straford County Board of
Commissioners hereby recognizes

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September 11, 2026 is the 25th
anniversary of September 11, 2001 and

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calls upon the residents of Straford
County to observe the solemn anniversary

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with remembrance, reflection, gratitude
and respect for all those whose lives

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were forever changed by the events of
that day. The commissioners have affixed

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the seal of Stratford County onto this
document and this will be hung here uh

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in the courthouse that's been signed by
my colleagues and myself. Tomorrow

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there's going to be a dedication of a of
a a memorial in downtown Dober

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recognizing the 25th anniversary as well
opposite the uh well it's actually right

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in the heart of downtown
the courtyard of the mill. I want to

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thank Commissioner Lever for your
donations to the to that project. uh

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with it and uh I know exor carrier has
been leading the show on that as well.

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Um one of the uh
quick things not offline here but I

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spoke to Mayor Kerati let's start
calling him Mr. monument

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sitting in do um does a good job. He
does he does a great job at doing that

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and uh uh
the uh I spoke to him about the World

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War II monument that was that's placed
behind city hall uh on uh at the

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McConnell Center. Uh folks buy bricks
there for loved ones who served during

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World War II.
One of the things I asked him to do was

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do something to recognize the Merchant
Marines. World War II Congress. The

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1970s recognized all active members of
the Merchant Marines as as World War II

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veterans. Uh, and the reason for that is
we lost more merchant marines during

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World War II than we did any other
branch of the service. So, I've asked

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him to work with me to get a monument
put there for the merchant marines as

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well since we've lost so many of them
during World War II.

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So, uh,
we'll move on another item number four,

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which is the affordable housing update.
Um, really don't have much to report on

407
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:10,159
that. Uh, the, um,
I would like to request, Mr. Bows, that

408
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:16,880
you begin the process of developing the
RFQ

409
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:22,080
uh for, uh, this publication. Um, I've
had a number of nonprofits contact me

410
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:27,360
and and Commissioner 11, all three
commissioners actually. Um, Bill Housing

411
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,720
Authority has contacted us as well. The
community action program has some

412
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:35,760
interest in in what it is we're trying
to accomplish. Um, a couple of things

413
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:40,559
I'd like to stress.
The uh commissioners got a letter from

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00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:47,120
the a handful of Republican members of
the county delegation regarding

415
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:52,000
the uh uh fact that they felt that the
county commission did not have the

416
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:57,679
authority to uh uh do what we're doing.
Uh which is absolute nonsense.

417
00:33:55,279 --> 00:34:01,600
The statute gives clear authority to the
county commissioners to pursue any type

418
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:05,039
of project. Uh we have care custody
control under the statute of all county

419
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:09,679
real estate.
uh and uh they can be upset with the

420
00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:13,119
concept but they can't be upset with the
fact the county commissioners have the

421
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,879
power and the authority to act in this
manner because it is a concept.

422
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:21,679
» It's preliminary.
>> It is preliminary and also uh I've

423
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:26,159
repeated this multiple times that the
county delegation would have to approve

424
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:34,159
any project that we we would come up
with. Um uh I recognize uh the the power

425
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:39,280
of the county commission has had some
limitation. It needs it needs approval

426
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:44,399
of the county delegation. I don't need
some one or two term state

427
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:48,800
representatives telling me my job. I
find it insulting. I don't think it's

428
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:53,679
right. Uh it was done for political
reasons and it's the worst politics of

429
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:57,839
all because they're lying to the public.
They're not. We decided to make this

430
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:04,000
process as open as possible, as
transparent as possible. We were accused

431
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:08,240
last time of uh working on these things
privately and then rolling out the the

432
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:13,119
finished product.
So, we decided to do it the other way.

433
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:18,000
Now, however, being criticized for doing
it the other way. So, uh, in either

434
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:23,760
event,
uh, and on top of all that, the

435
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:28,720
legislature, the Republican legislature
passed a law saying that the counties

436
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:34,160
and municipalities should do something
with uh, land that's available for

437
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:37,440
workforce housing and they also funded
it.

438
00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:43,440
So, they funded it. So the Republican
legislature funds

439
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:46,880
funds are ask the municipalities and the
counties to make land available for this

440
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:49,599
use.
We're going ahead and trying to do what

441
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,640
the legislature asked a Republican
legisle and I get several legislators

442
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,440
who are Republicans turn around and
telling me that we shouldn't be doing

443
00:35:53,760 --> 00:36:00,800
what we're doing. They'll have their
opportunity when the delegation meets to

444
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:07,200
voice their concerns one way or another
and maybe we change the plan as a result

445
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:11,760
of what what their input is. But uh I
think some of them need a civics lesson.

446
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:16,800
But that's beside the point. Mr. B,
>> the one thing that I thought was

447
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:22,640
fascinating uh the statute passed
unanimously out of the house, I'm sorry,

448
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:29,280
unanimously out of the committee 16 to
nothing. Then it didn't even gender a

449
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:36,480
debate in front of the full house. it
was passed on a voice vote

450
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:41,440
um and turned into an RSA which we've
I've articulated in in the in the

451
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:49,119
response letter
>> and I included a copy of the RSA. So,

452
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:54,000
» uh I have talked to the state agency.
I've talked I've emailed back and forth

453
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,920
with the state agency through the New
New Hampshire Association of Counties.

454
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:06,079
it indicates they are working on the
implementation of that law. So um I

455
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:10,400
think it's fascinating when we get a
letter that says

456
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:19,280
we don't have any right or authority to
do that when this same legislature Yeah.

457
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:28,640
this same group of people passed a law
enabling us to do this. Um, so I I'm

458
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:33,440
it's just fascinating. I I don't I
in House Bill 2, I'm just going to add

459
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:38,640
for the public's edification who might
watch this YouTube

460
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:46,960
video of our meeting, there's a section
of the statute that says uh the U

461
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:52,079
legislature shall be given priority to
fund this program. Available funding may

462
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:58,320
be made by the Department of Housing and
developers whom a municipality or county

463
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:03,520
pursuant to RSA 28C
28 cola a- C transfers ownership of

464
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:06,880
municipality or county-owned property
for the purposes of residential

465
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,640
development where at least 20% of the
housing units to be developed will be

466
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:16,000
affordable for a period of at least 20
years. and the compilation of municipal

467
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:21,520
and county owned property determined to
be appropriate for residential

468
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:30,800
development pursuant to RSA 12-0 col
72-A and RSA 674 col1

469
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:34,240
Roman numeral 7. So the law isn't is
pretty specific.

470
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:38,400
This is the reason why the county
commissioners

471
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:42,880
uh went to look over some of the old
plans that we had of four or five years

472
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:48,400
ago uh to see whether whether we could
put some form of affordable workforce

473
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:55,200
housing here on the complex. Uh we've
taken the opportunity to uh review the

474
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:59,280
uh existing land uh that we have here
and we're simply following the will of

475
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:05,920
the legislature
and uh uh and they funded it which um

476
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:10,400
we're going to apply for some of that
funding. We may not be successful. We

477
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:14,400
may be successful. Again, it's just a
concept. However, to think that we

478
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:20,480
wouldn't run that by the county
delegation is ludicrous. Well, the other

479
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:25,119
thing, Mr. Chairman, at each one of your
meetings, and there was, you know, three

480
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:30,160
previous meetings where this was
discussed, you always at some point

481
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:37,760
during that meeting stress the fact that
we know we need to go to the delegation

482
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:45,760
for the use of of any land. But I mean,
it it it just makes common sense. U Mr.

483
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:52,160
chairman a historically
up to a third of our delegation changes

484
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:55,920
over every election. It makes no sense
to bring anything in front of this

485
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:02,079
delegation
when there a third

486
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:06,960
likely won't will be won't be here,
>> right?

487
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:10,800
» When when this plan gets a lot closer to
fruition,

488
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:13,839
» right? uh which which right now we're
just sharing concepts on a week-by-week

489
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,920
basis.
>> Yeah.

490
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:21,680
» Um
so you know there it's there's a long

491
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:27,920
way to go. It's a way long way to go you
know before so there there'd be no point

492
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:32,720
if we brought this to the delegation. we
would look foolish because we wouldn't

493
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:36,320
be able to answer the questions
that they ultimately the appropriate

494
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,079
questions
>> that that they would be asking us

495
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:44,079
because we haven't gotten that far in
the process.

496
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:50,720
» Right. Yeah.
>> And we've spent no county money, you

497
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:52,000
know, to get us to where we're at.
>> Just time.

498
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:58,480
» Yeah.
>> Just time. Yeah. Mostly mine and yours.

499
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:03,119
uh and Commissioner Felicianos for that
matter with their questions regarding

500
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:11,520
architecture and such. So, you know, the
uh it's just I just find it fascinating

501
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:18,000
the hypocrisy is just beyond the pale.
In any event, u

502
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:24,720
I'd like to have you, Mr. B, proceed in
in drafting that RFQ.

503
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:28,079
Uh I did get a call from uh the uh
National Association of Counties.

504
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:32,160
There's a number of counties around the
country that are doing this at present

505
00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:36,480
and they said they willing to offer
technical expertise on that in that end.

506
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:40,400
We have regional planning that we could
also call upon that's so it doesn't cost

507
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:46,000
us anything but a little bit more of
your time um and some staff time but

508
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,599
limited
especially if we can get the regional

509
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:54,480
planning or or the the national
association to actually send us a draft.

510
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:59,839
what you know what I've been working on
uh besides you know supervising

511
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:03,839
community corrections besides being the
administrator of the nursing home and

512
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:11,760
and the county administrator besides
those things um we just

513
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:17,680
as of the due date of September 1st
submitted

514
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:27,040
a grant close to $3 million
uh for the work to be done at Riverside

515
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:32,400
um which translates to 655
pages

516
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:37,839
uh is the size of the grant. Uh we got
acknowledgement you know that they

517
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:46,720
received it in a timely manner. Uh but
it took a lot of time to do that and um

518
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:52,319
so I I I will admit to you that I wish I
was further ahead on the RFQ, but I'll

519
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:56,640
you know I'll start putting that on the
front burner. But I I didn't want to

520
00:42:54,319 --> 00:43:00,720
miss the due date on that grant. No,
>> you you know that what what happened

521
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:06,640
unfortunately was
they had a process on this grant where

522
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:11,839
you had to be pre-qualified to apply
and they were supposed to get back to us

523
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:18,720
promptly because we submitted the
qualifications.

524
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:23,520
Um, but they were like 3 weeks late at
granting us and everybody else the

525
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:29,520
pre-qualification
and instead of lengthening the time in

526
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:36,240
which we had to apply, understanding
that we lost 3 weeks, they didn't change

527
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:42,640
the due date. So because they were late
in in approving us, um it it left us

528
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:48,560
with only 3 weeks to put together that
grant, which again turned out to be 655

529
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:54,400
pages long.
>> So it it's not it that's a lot of work.

530
00:43:52,160 --> 00:44:00,319
» Well, it's a lot of work in in a in a
much shortened period of time. Um and

531
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:06,400
but on the other hand, um it's a lot of
money and and we'll

532
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,960
correct some of the ills at Riverside,
>> right?

533
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:13,119
» Um I mean, it doesn't change the fact
that we still have four people that use

534
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:19,040
one bathroom or that we have 42 people
that use one shower,

535
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:27,200
» but but I'm sorry, we could shut that
up. But at the at the very least um

536
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:34,880
you know it'll be warmer, it'll be
cooler. Um and you know our boiler will

537
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:39,920
be our second boiler will be replaced
and we'll have a roof that

538
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:45,280
doesn't leak
>> and it's free money. Why would we want

539
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:50,000
» and there's no match to it?
>> Um there's no match to it. Well, the

540
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:53,280
money was made available by the Trump
administration for healthcare

541
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:58,400
facilities. The counties were considered
to be a priority. Uh,

542
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,560
» and it's written right
>> right in

543
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,960
» it's written right in there that the
county nursing homes are are um

544
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,800
» given a priority
>> priority for 20 million,

545
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:11,920
» right,
>> of of the hund00 million. And I know

546
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:18,000
some county nursing homes didn't apply.
So, I I don't feel like we're taking up,

547
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:22,960
you know, somebody else's share
um you know, by applying for more than

548
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:27,960
our 10%.
So, we'll see how that goes.

549
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:36,880
But that that was due um and we just got
it in on September 1st,

550
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:42,000
but I did get the acknowledgement that
they've received it in a timely manner.

551
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,640
So, I'd like to have you get that RFQ
back for the commission to review it

552
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,319
within 30 days.
>> Oh, I I'm two weeks.

553
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,760
» I'm thinking two weeks.
>> Okay, good.

554
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:54,960
» Yeah. I just I'm going to rely on Nico
to help

555
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:58,000
» I'm sure that that
>> they've got it in the can.

556
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,599
» Yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking,
you know, and then we can modify it to

557
00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:11,440
» right to fit our
>> to fit our particular needs. Yeah. Okay.

558
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:19,839
All righty. Uh they've got uh
upcoming hearings,

559
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:24,680
CDBG grants uh on the 24th and 25th of
next. That's two weeks from now, right?

560
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,680
Yeah.

561
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:31,920
» Okay. Any older new business do you want
your general discuss? I got a couple old

562
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:35,359
things. I walked the warming center
today, the swing atrocities. It looks

563
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:40,079
like they're flying. They're actually
going really well. I I talked to them um

564
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:44,000
last Friday. Of course, Monday was a
holiday. I was here, but I didn't expect

565
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:50,240
that they would be working on the
holiday. Um and they indicated that they

566
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:54,240
were, you know, they had the equipment
there to put the trusses up. They said

567
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,839
they were going to start on Wednesday.
They hoped to start on Tuesday, but they

568
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:02,319
decided they were going to for sure
start on Wednesday when they had the

569
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:06,240
appropriate staff there. So, I have not
gone by since I went down and walked.

570
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,800
And then on top of that, at the end of
the month, they're going to be tight,

571
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,200
he's telling me, which is the way
they're going at it. It's going to

572
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:17,040
happen.
>> So that's huge.

573
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:20,560
» So yeah, a real
good situation for us to be in.

574
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,400
» I got a question. Right.
>> Oh, can I just mention one other thing

575
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:30,240
about that?
>> We um sent community corrections and

576
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:34,960
Riverside maintenance and we did clean
out pond pond. Okay. How's the tie

577
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,800
situation on the track?
>> I I honestly, Mr. Chairman, I forgot to

578
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:44,880
ask. Okay.
>> Um when we did have it towed down there,

579
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:48,880
um
>> the fire chief is supposed to be calling

580
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:55,839
me at some point today to discuss uh
>> David K did uh

581
00:47:52,319 --> 00:48:00,000
did I'm sorry. U Dwayne K did tell me
that he was going to reach out to the

582
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:06,240
tire company and have that fixed. He
towed it down there with the um um you

583
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:11,680
know the one tire that he was afraid it
was going to cause some a flapping

584
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:16,720
problem, but it turned out to be okay.
He he made it. We went the back route

585
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:20,079
» and made it there. So, um
>> so community

586
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:25,599
» we did cut the lock off um and the fire
department put another lock a different

587
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:30,160
lock on and we all have keys.
>> Okay, good. Yeah, the fire department

588
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:32,960
was tremendously helpful. Um,
>> do you know how many firemen were there?

589
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,640
I'm supposed to talk to Chief today
about

590
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:42,480
» I know there was six of us. Uh, I don't
know how many I didn't ask Troy how many

591
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:47,440
um other people besides the six. I think
Troy kind of took control um you know

592
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,400
about how it was going to be done and
how they were going to move things out,

593
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:55,839
where they were going to take it apart,
you know, all those kinds of things. And

594
00:48:52,400 --> 00:49:01,839
I think he said uh I I had arranged so
that everybody would meet there at 9 and

595
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:07,920
he had indicated they were done by one.
So we have uh the

596
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:11,839
the tractor trailer still sitting there.
Remember that was ours. We've had that

597
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:17,839
for years and years and years.
>> Um so now we just got to figure out the

598
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:22,640
timing of of moving that. And we did
bring extra. We brought our flat

599
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:28,000
trailer. Actually, it's not true. They
brought my trailer and my truck um in in

600
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:34,319
case they needed it, you know, because I
had that 15,000lb dump trailer. So, um

601
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:38,160
but I don't believe I believe they
managed to fit everything into the

602
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:42,720
tractor trailer.
>> Okay.

603
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:48,640
uh along the lines of speaking about the
city of Dover and their fire department.

604
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:53,839
Uh they had requested a bus to run a 8-
in water line down from the corner

605
00:49:51,760 --> 00:50:01,599
hydrant behind the arms house down to
the training site. Uh, as I had made the

606
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:07,920
commissioners aware, um, about a month
and a half ago in administrative

607
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:11,680
session, they um, they finally forwarded
to me a c a copy of the plan.

608
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:18,079
» Okay.
>> The city of DO was willing to pay for

609
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:22,480
the line. Uh, so all they need is
permission for from us to run the line

610
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:27,119
there. So if you want to make a motion
to do so, I would preempt and make a

611
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:33,760
motion. Yeah. Okay. I'll second it.
Extend the 8 in water line to the

612
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:39,119
training site. It's 655 ft long. Uh city
of DO's been out to

613
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,800
check cuz that's old infrastructure out
there feeding the arms house and the

614
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:47,280
daycare center. They wanted to make sure
if they did any work. They did some

615
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,160
testing out there of the existing
hydrants that run around the facility

616
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:55,119
and they said that it would not
interfere with uh the operation of

617
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:59,440
Southeastern
or uh the daycare center. They let me

618
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,160
know that yesterday.
>> That does also, I think, benefit some of

619
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:07,359
community corrections work that they do
down there every once in a while when we

620
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:12,800
get a permitted uh
>> burn burn we get a burn permit for the

621
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:15,359
» water supply down there fix it.
>> It would be nice. We don't have that

622
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,760
available.
>> Yeah.

623
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:22,960
» And and I'm I'm also when we do
obviously we don't do the burn or the

624
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:29,520
snow on the ground because we need to
acquire a permit. I'm gonna see if Dover

625
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:36,160
uh is interested in using that also as a
training um scenario because that pile's

626
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:41,839
getting kind of big and and I mean right
now it's it's Matthew and Troy, you

627
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:48,240
know, and I think it would be uh better
if maybe Dover would consider, you know,

628
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:52,240
just having a a truck stand by. Chief uh
Chief Driscoll also mentioned to me that

629
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:58,880
and I told him I would bring it up here
is that uh uh they're looking to put

630
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:04,240
some form of
I don't want to use the term permanent

631
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:08,960
but a classroom on wheels
uh you know like you had they had during

632
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:14,160
co the schools had classrooms set up
they were looking to put a training uh

633
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,079
uh
classroom there

634
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:21,839
» modular class
>> yeah modular classroom. Thank you. Uh

635
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:24,000
there um and uh I told him I would bring
it up. I didn't think we would have any

636
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,240
objection to that.
>> I think that'll can go right on the

637
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:31,680
right hand side as you look at the
train. It could go right on the right

638
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,880
hand side. There's plenty of room there.
>> Well, they just didn't want it down

639
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:41,040
there. I'm planning on stuff like this.
We might want to talk about power

640
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:43,119
» because there is no power. There is no
power down there. So,

641
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:45,040
» especially if they're going to be
digging anyhow.

642
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:48,960
» Yeah.
>> Well, yeah. I don't know if we want to

643
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:52,079
spend have the expense of underground,
but we certainly could bring it down to

644
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,319
where the hydrant is.
>> Um,

645
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:58,960
» well, it'll be up to us. It'll be up to
the city.

646
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:03,200
» Yeah, the cities. Yeah, the city's
pitching in to do that. I'll I'll

647
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:07,760
discuss that with city manager Joy when
the appropriate time comes. I don't

648
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,880
know. They like to have it in by the end
by the by by the time the snow flies.

649
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,800
They got a huge training. They said they
were planning on the end of October. I

650
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:21,280
don't know if we can get it in that
fast, but uh we'll see. I don't know

651
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:26,559
what uh the city manager has,
but yeah, but uh they were looking for

652
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:29,839
an affirmative vote from us, which it
looks like an easy run in the sense that

653
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:32,319
it'll just go along
>> alongside the road, right? You know,

654
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,920
alongside the
>> We're not aware of any ledge or anything

655
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:40,319
like that, right?
>> No. No. We haven't done a lot of digging

656
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:45,680
in there, but I'm I'm not aware of
anything. Worst case scenario, a boss,

657
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:51,280
and I'm positive where there's no ledge,
is is on the opposite side of the road.

658
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:54,800
» Yeah, I I know that that that's clear.
>> Uh so worst case scenario, they go

659
00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:58,960
across the road, but they'd have to go
back across the road when they got down

660
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:03,839
at the bottom. But I obviously,
>> but I don't think that's necessary. But

661
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:07,200
I I know that that area is clear.
>> And if you if you go out and look at the

662
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,760
old pump house that's out there on that
road, you know, the old

663
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:13,599
» Yeah. up up on the hill
>> on the hill.

664
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:16,240
» When they put that in, they didn't see
any they didn't come across any

665
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:19,520
boulders. They would have if they have
left them there on the side. There's no

666
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:22,800
there's no signs of stone or anything.
>> That's all farmland. So they didn't have

667
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:26,160
» No, that was our sewer lagoons.
>> That was Oh, it's already been dug out

668
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,079
once.
>> Oh, there's there's two mass.

669
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,880
» Yeah, we got a grant to we got a grant
to fill fill it in.

670
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,839
» To fill it in, but they're still sitting
there. They're just underground. They're

671
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,680
under the they're beneath the training
center.

672
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,960
» Yep.
That's what they are.

673
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,960
» That was quick.
>> I don't even quite

674
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,599
» tell you some stories about that.
>> Yeah, that place was

675
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:51,200
» we had one maintenance guy. That's all
they did was go running and bolt in

676
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,720
those sewer and
>> I donated.

677
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:56,079
» Keep them running.
>> Keep them running. Send a skin diver

678
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,720
down.
>> Yeah.

679
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:02,160
» Yeah. Check the airlines. It was just
>> if an airline broke Yeah.

680
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:06,960
» need you'd have to pay a diver.
>> Diver to go down and pick up the

681
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:11,520
airlines. Oh my god.
and all. Yeah. Yeah. Then we would

682
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:15,040
inject we would inject the effluid with
chlorine that would be it and just dump

683
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:20,079
it in the river. Yeah. I think going
that's how we did things years ago.

684
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,280
» Fortunately, you know, we tied in with
the do sewer system and and that helped

685
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,520
us both out.
>> It did

686
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:33,280
» because at the time do
an adequate flow to support the the pump

687
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:38,880
station, you know, the the processing
center. So they needed a bigger flow

688
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:45,119
» and simultaneous with that we we are the
largest water user in the city of Dober.

689
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:50,319
So it it it helped us both you know in
in uh when when we tied in the sewer

690
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:56,000
line.
>> Yeah. So it was all a good thing for

691
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:58,400
everyone all the way around
and I had two boats ruined.

692
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,559
» My bad.
>> Yeah.

693
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:04,160
» Ate them up. I think uh
>> between the chlorine and I think the

694
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:09,200
cleaning cavities.
>> Yeah. You know the

695
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:13,520
I know that you know Rochester's
seriously considering a data center so I

696
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:16,960
know that would use a lot of water.
>> Yeah.

697
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:20,480
» That was a joke. [laughter]
>> That was that was

698
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:23,119
» back in the chest cuz we just asked
something.

699
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:26,799
» That was a joke. I I read it in the
paper [clears throat] so I thought I'd

700
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:30,400
throw that out there.
>> That's right. I needed that. I was

701
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:31,920
winking at George indicating it was
going to be a joke.

702
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,359
» You know, I don't know where they're
going to put that Dana in the center,

703
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:39,440
but I wish we had a room for it in Do
because I'd gladly accept that in the

704
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:42,960
employment. Everybody Everybody loves
technology.

705
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:45,200
» The problem is do you know Dober is is
really has a lack of water.

706
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:51,200
» Yeah.
>> I mean they they pump

707
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:55,440
» if you look at the communities.
>> No, if you we don't have the water

708
00:56:53,040 --> 00:57:02,000
either. If you look at if you look at
the infrastructure,

709
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:07,839
» if if you look at the area properties,
uh I'm talking about cities, the first

710
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:11,520
place to put a drought warning is always
do.

711
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:14,799
» It's a river empty right now.
>> Yeah, it's always it's always do.

712
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,920
» You know, maybe they ought to look at
doing something at turnkey sections of

713
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:21,200
turnkey are shut down. They can build a
data center right on top of it.

714
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:25,119
» They got to do something with it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Water and electricity.

715
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:28,880
» Water, electricity just pump out of the
river and

716
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:32,240
» did we have that little
house? I can't talk. You're not supposed

717
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,799
to comment.
>> Yeah, it's all right. I'll let you talk

718
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,480
in a second.
>> Yeah.

719
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:44,240
» So, anyway, okay, we got to hold this.
Oh, tomorrow uh you're going to be going

720
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:48,319
to the 911 meeting representing
commission.

721
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:52,799
» Tomorrow I have to be at conquered um
the association of counties meeting.

722
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:57,839
We're going to make a I'm going to work
with an outfit called is shield to make

723
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:02,960
a presentation to all counties uh as in
my position as president of all the

724
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:07,520
county commissioners to uh bring a new
technology to all county nursing homes

725
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:12,799
called uh hopefully that hopefully
they'll agree to this. It's called air

726
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:18,799
shield. It's using plasma technology to
eliminate disease in all nursing homes.

727
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:23,280
It goes it goes into the uh the heating
and cooling systems. It would be a

728
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:31,359
wonderful thing for the jail. This
plasma uh system uh is brand new

729
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:39,359
technology. It um eliminates pathogens
in the air and on surfaces. Uh and it's

730
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:42,240
been proven. It's a proven model. Uh it
would be great for jails and for nursing

731
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:47,119
homes, but I've got to make a
presentation regarding it to uh the

732
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:50,400
balance of my colleagues across the
state

733
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:55,200
uh and to see if they have any interest
in

734
00:58:52,000 --> 00:59:00,160
uh joining together and going after a go
north uh grant so that all counties

735
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:06,400
could have that use of that technology.
So I won't be at the 911 memorial in do

736
00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:10,640
tomorrow. appreciate you living like
when you when you get there.

737
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,400
» Okay. Do we have any of the old and new
presidents?

738
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,440
» Just Yeah.
>> I wanted to, you know, public

739
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,680
» Oh, yeah. We want to talk about this.
>> We want to publicly introduce

740
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:23,839
» Yeah.
>> Kristen. Um who will be eventually um in

741
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:27,280
Dian's position,
>> right?

742
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:32,480
» Um as as you know, uh it was an
exhaustive search on our part. We think

743
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:38,559
we have a great candidate and um she
started this week. Just so happens

744
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:40,480
Diane's on vacation, but there's um so
she will be working with Diane over the

745
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,760
next
>> We should throw you to the walls and not

746
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:47,440
even here to help you.
>> It's okay. It's okay.

747
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:51,599
» I have a lot to do. I have a lot.
>> We got a lot of knowledgeable people

748
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:55,440
here in the office, including not only
Ray, but the others.

749
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:59,280
» So, we got a skeleton crew here. We
don't have a lot of help, but

750
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:04,400
» she'll be working with Diane for the
next couple few months before Diane

751
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:09,520
actually retires. And then Diane will be
available to us on call. Um, it's

752
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:13,040
probably the most complicated Probably
should have told you this before we

753
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:19,920
hired. It's it's the most complicated
job in the county uh in terms of of

754
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:23,440
because it's not like municipal finance,
>> but it's it's much more complicated than

755
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:28,720
that. Um,
>> Sure.

756
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:35,520
So anyway, we'll um um
it was an exhaustive search and and

757
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:38,480
Kristen was by far the uh best candidate
for sure.

758
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,799
» Well, we're going to wish you the best
of luck. We look forward to working with

759
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:46,960
you. Absolutely.
>> Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

760
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:52,079
» Okay. Uh yeah, Mr. B, one other item in
your business. I want I want uh has been

761
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:55,440
customary for you to extend an
invitation to all the candidates for

762
01:00:53,680 --> 01:01:02,480
county commissioner
uh uh that are that are running that if

763
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:06,319
they want uh tour of the facilities that
you extend that.

764
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,280
» Well, as soon as I know who they are.
>> Yeah.

765
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:12,319
» I think we I think we kind of know who
they are.

766
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:17,440
» Well, not necessarily. I mean, we still
waiting to see where the Democratic

767
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:23,040
nominee is uh against you.
We're We're kind of I mean, I looked as

768
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:30,000
late as this morning um and Secretary of
State's website only has the uh federal

769
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:34,559
offices listed. They don't have any of
the I mean, they have them down there,

770
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:39,040
but there's no no data.
>> Yeah.

771
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:44,240
» So, I'll keep looking and and um and and
then sent out a a letter to everyone.

772
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,520
» Okay. Yep. Soon as they
>> Yeah. as soon as I know who it is.

773
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,799
» Yeah.
>> Which I don't know the way it's looking

774
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:53,599
it might not be till the beginning of
the week,

775
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:58,559
» right?
That's fine. Uh

776
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:03,280
you want to talk about
>> So I have a couple questions. Is this

777
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:07,839
this being may I'm not financial
sometimes, you know. Um the right to

778
01:02:06,338 --> 01:02:11,680
[clears throat] know law on the housing
project. Do we have a contingency fund

779
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:15,680
or something to fund this?
>> No, I I have no ability to fund that.

780
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:20,240
Well,
um, you know, I don't want to talk about

781
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:25,839
this like it's the elephant in the room.
I mean, it's your submission. Um, it it

782
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:30,960
one of the things you asked for is the
potential cost of this. So, um, I know

783
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:35,280
there's things that can be charged and
things that can't be charged. the the

784
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:40,480
the issue is
not so much necessarily the paper that's

785
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:45,520
produced, but it's doing all the
background checks to be sure that it I

786
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:51,359
mean it the right to know request when
you print it out is eight pages long. So

787
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:56,640
there's a a variety of things that need
to be researched. It's uh and and I

788
01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:02,160
suspect from looking at it that there's
a variety of things that we don't have.

789
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:04,559
Um, but I have to but I have preliminary
still.

790
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,040
» Well, it's not preliminary. I mean, he's
got a cost. He's he's going to have to

791
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:09,599
answer it.
>> But what's what's the estimated cost you

792
01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:16,599
think that?
>> I'd say probably 300 hours of work. So,

793
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,599
probably $30,000.

794
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:21,359
» Come back and ask us again for another
one where we're halfway down through

795
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:25,920
this.
>> I don't know. Well,

796
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:32,960
I'm going to ask you publicly, uh,
Susan. I'm going to ask you uh my humble

797
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:40,079
suggestion is is that
I read your your right to no request. Uh

798
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:44,000
most of it has no answers. Um I'm
>> Can I just suggest something?

799
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,760
» Sure. Sure. Because I'm going to ask you
to withdraw it because you're you're

800
01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:50,160
going to cost this county $30,000
unnecessarily because there's nothing to

801
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:52,960
know.
>> Can I Sure.

802
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:57,599
» Okay.
At the last meeting when this was

803
01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:04,559
brought up, I've given it a lot of
serious consideration in the information

804
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:09,920
that has since come forward and the
discussions that you had. One of my

805
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:16,319
things today under public comment was I
want you to know that I am reconsidering

806
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:19,039
and there's maybe I can pair that down
and go through it.

807
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,799
» Okay.
>> Okay,

808
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:26,520
» that's great. That'd be great. I
appreciate that. So because I

809
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,520
» because it's

810
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:36,880
» I understand that whether you believe me
or not.

811
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:40,400
I love this county as much as you do.
Okay. And want to see the best for it.

812
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:44,000
» Okay.
>> Okay.

813
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:48,319
» I think we can.
>> And it's something I think that I can go

814
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:52,160
back through.
>> Okay.

815
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:56,240
and we can work this out. Okay.
>> Y'all

816
01:04:53,920 --> 01:05:00,400
that would be awesome because
>> give it a little time too. Let it

817
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,039
» some of it will percolate itself.
>> Absolutely.

818
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:06,480
» But yeah, many of our answers
>> already percolated itself out.

819
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,839
» Okay.
>> Okay.

820
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:11,760
» All right.
>> Yeah. Beautiful.

821
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:15,280
» Isn't this what it's about? It's working
together in give and take and

822
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:21,839
communicating. Absolutely. And if
anybody knows me, it's

823
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:28,720
nine times out of 10 with me, it's
process and transparency.

824
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:33,920
And you shut me up on that. And you are
transparent in the process.

825
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,599
» Yeah. You're not you're not going to
learn anything that we don't already we

826
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:41,200
don't know much as it is right now.
Right. I mean, we had we had the we had

827
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:47,119
the concept. That's it.
>> Go back to that very first meeting,

828
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:49,359
George. And there was this next morning
all the information came out in the

829
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:53,440
newspaper.
>> Yeah. I I want to address that.

830
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:55,280
» If I can.
>> Yep.

831
01:05:54,319 --> 01:06:00,799
» Absolutely.
>> On the on the Zoom that day, Karen

832
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:02,240
Dander from Fosters was on the Zoom.
>> Yep.

833
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:06,000
» I understand.
>> And but it said Karen

834
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:10,160
and I thought it was one of our
employees. Okay. I didn't know that it

835
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:15,680
was the newspaper.
when the newspaper calls called me after

836
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:18,480
the fact. It was after the fact.
>> It was also something

837
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:23,119
» those questions those questions she
could have asked me those questions if

838
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:28,640
if she'd have opened on public forum on
the public forum she could have asked me

839
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:34,079
the same questions. So uh she went into
she did a little deeper dive into some

840
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:37,039
of the details of it but if had she had
asked me those questions here you would

841
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:40,000
have heard those answers
>> right and that's what I

842
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:43,359
» and that's not my fault. a lot and
that's not subject to right. It was all

843
01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:48,480
time. It was all time.
>> It's communication. It's working with

844
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:54,160
each other. It's communicating with each
other and I over the last week have

845
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:59,520
given it a lot of serious consideration
especially after the last meeting

846
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:02,319
and hearing this to
>> okay

847
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:06,960
» to reasonable person.
>> Okay. Well, look it over and you know if

848
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:11,520
you can narrow that down
>> uh so that we can so that we can not

849
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:14,720
spend resources
but the interesting the interesting part

850
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,720
about it Susie is I don't know what
you're going to learn

851
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:21,440
» there's nothing to learn that's that's
the thing

852
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:23,280
» but the information has a lot of that
information out

853
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,400
» right
>> and you explained at one of the meetings

854
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:31,599
I don't know if it was the last meeting
or the meeting before that we were up

855
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:36,319
against a time frame because of
technology ology and you didn't

856
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:39,599
understand that Karen was there. Okay.
So, you know what? We learn and we work

857
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:43,839
together. There's nothing wrong with
that. There's absolutely nothing wrong.

858
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,720
» Okay. Good. Great. All right. That's
great. Settles that. That settles that.

859
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,680
Yeah.
>> Sweet.

860
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,880
» I'm available at at whenever you're
available.

861
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,720
» Well,
>> or take a look at it. Take a look at it.

862
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,119
Yeah. We're going to go public comment
right now because I'm done with all the

863
01:07:55,839 --> 01:08:01,280
new business. Yeah. So, we're a public
department.

864
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:05,839
» So, there there's a couple of things.
Okay. Um,

865
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:09,520
I want to thank you for the
proclamation.

866
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:15,599
Um,
it's a tough day for my family on 911

867
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:20,239
because my family knew the Agonowski
family and he was the pilot in one of

868
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:26,960
those points
>> and my husband lost a fellow firefighter

869
01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:32,000
friend in New York City. So, it's I
can't get him to come to these types of

870
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:36,640
things. So, that means an awful lot to
me that you have this proclamation. And

871
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:43,359
I'm sorry if I'm tearing up a little
bit. And

872
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:48,640
the second thing is is where do we stand
with Haidider House? I know I know that

873
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:53,759
there were some issues there with
working this out and there was a

874
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:58,080
technology issue. I keep bringing it up
because that is something that once

875
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:01,920
again,
maybe you don't think that I care about

876
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:05,600
it, but I definitely care about it.
>> Well, nothing's changed since I reported

877
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:10,880
last time. I haven't I'm still waiting
to hear from Mass General. There's the

878
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:16,560
last time as I reported, but they we're
working on technology. Um, he was

879
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:25,359
supposed to have uh he gave them to the
end of uh August August. Um, and uh,

880
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:30,239
then he went on vacation as I understand
it. Uh, so I will probably reach out to

881
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:34,719
him today and find out where where it
sits and report back on what I learned.

882
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:38,400
I'm hoping that they can get this thing
up and running. Um,

883
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,759
» I'm hoping so too because
>> seems they put a lot of resources

884
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,359
from people.
>> Yeah, they've had people out here

885
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:51,120
looking at it. you know, we've made some
maintenance uh adjustments to the

886
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:55,199
building that they they requested which
were a lot of money. I just think it's

887
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:58,320
on their end. I think it's up the
higherups.

888
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:02,480
They've got a lot of acquisition
acquisitions going on. There's a lot of

889
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,320
changes being made. This health
healthcare delivery system in this

890
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:10,400
country,
>> it's impossible to understand. My last

891
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:14,640
question and I might have misunderstood
but with the Golden North grant I

892
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:20,640
thought we were looking at 2.1 and did
you say three today or

893
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:26,640
» so so we we did a
we did a Zoom call

894
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:32,000
what I did is use the power of the
association of counties and said listen

895
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:36,960
uh $20 million has been set aside for
county nursing homes. So, I used the

896
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:42,000
power of the Association of Counties and
asked them to set up. I didn't think

897
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:45,103
they they'd do individual Zoom calls
with everybody that might apply, but I

898
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:49,679
said, "Hey, this could be for
[clears throat] the all the counties."

899
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:57,440
Um, so we set that up and what I learned
was they encouraged us to put in um a

900
01:10:53,280 --> 01:11:01,440
15% contingency and we also put in some
extra money in case there's any

901
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:09,760
abatement that needs to be done as the
windows come out. Um, and the nice part

902
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:14,960
is, um, if we can beat the price, we
keep the money. We don't have to turn it

903
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:19,120
back in. So,
>> use it for another project.

904
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:23,520
» Well, then the numbers,
>> right? And and that really wasn't I

905
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:28,159
didn't pursue that. I was just kind of
smiling and happy.

906
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:34,880
uh you know that they said that and I
didn't want to push it because frankly

907
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:41,280
technically this is a competitive grant.
Uh I'm not going to ask a question that

908
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:46,080
might tip off another entity that's
applying for this grant money about how

909
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:51,679
I'm thinking and how I think would be
best for Straford County. So, going back

910
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:56,400
to my original question, if you can
answer it, was the grant total 3 million

911
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:02,719
or 2.9?
>> It's about 2.8. 2 between 2.8 and 2.9.

912
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,560
» Yeah, we're going to try to get as much
evidence as we can.

913
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:07,920
» Of course, you are.
>> Yep.

914
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:12,400
We don't have to turn it back.
>> We have to turn it back in. Right.

915
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:21,040
» Yeah. Contingency in a few.
>> And I appreciate I've written grants.

916
01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:25,679
They can be very difficult in 655 pages.
I appreciate that.

917
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:30,320
» Well, the the the real problem was too
as you know as as we put the grant

918
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:34,960
together in writing and then we went to
enter it into the system, the system

919
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:38,960
asked us more questions that weren't in
the original written grant applications.

920
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:44,640
So, we had to hurry up and answer those
questions uh you know in order to meet

921
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:49,440
the time the time that was involved. So
that uh was a kind of a last minute

922
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:53,280
situation and it but it worked out and
we got acknowledgement that they

923
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:57,520
received it and and I know poor
Kristen's looking at it now to

924
01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:00,880
familiarize herself with with the grant
because of course she wasn't on board

925
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:08,480
when we did the grant.
>> Okay, one final question for today.

926
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:14,960
» There was some money left over
um for the solar project when we did

927
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,400
Remember that Zoom call that was
horrible?

928
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:21,280
» It's about $10,000.
>> About $10,000. Is that still floating

929
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:25,440
out there somewhere in La La Land?
>> Yeah. I'm just waiting. It's not La La

930
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:31,120
Land. We're just waiting to get
We're waiting to see if if it can be

931
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:35,360
utilized on on the possibly the housing
or whatever else might come down.

932
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:41,440
» Yeah. We've never heard back from these
people that we you know that frankly

933
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:44,560
it's a useless they're useless. I'll say
it publicly. They're just useless.

934
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:48,239
» 11 months.
>> I mean, they're not, you know, they're

935
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:52,800
asking us what it is we want to do. And
I'm saying to them, you're supposed to

936
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:58,480
be hired to tell us what we can do.
And uh, you know, that's just typical.

937
01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:02,159
If we'd hired the consultant, we were
able if we had been able to hire the

938
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:07,199
consultant, we'd have been a lot further
along. But we're not. The feds and the

939
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:10,480
Trump administration said they wanted to
hire their friends. Well, they hired

940
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:14,640
their friends and at the end of the day,
their friends aren't doing the job.

941
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:18,159
That's the bottom line. Okay? And it's
irritating me because we should have

942
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:22,560
been
much further along with this spending a

943
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:28,960
million dollars a year on electricity.
But with the uh the good news is is with

944
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:32,640
Seammens now doing an energy audit of
>> of the whole thing

945
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:37,360
» of the whole thing, part of that energy
audit is going to include alternative

946
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:40,880
energy. Uh I've asked them for that. had
discussed that before.

947
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:45,600
» So, we're just waiting to hear
>> if you I've always been a very big

948
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:52,480
proponent of alternative energy.
>> So, whatever it is, whatever they have,

949
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:58,600
whether it's cogen cogen, gas, solar,
water, you know, let's build some dams

950
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:58,600
in the for some hydrop

951
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:05,600
anymore. But anyway,
>> all that's included. I've asked seniors

952
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:09,679
to do all that. So, we'll probably get a
much quicker result from Seammens than

953
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:12,080
we will from these folks wherever
they're from.

954
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,920
» I just wasn't I know that it was just
out there.

955
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:18,560
» Yeah.
>> But that can be used if if Seammens can

956
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:24,080
blend that in. If we raise the remaining
$10,000 in that, right, to say that

957
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:27,840
» one more thing.
>> Okay.

958
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:32,960
» Rochester
put in

959
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:39,360
a zoning ordinance with regard to data
centers and it actually is down in the

960
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:44,880
turnkey landfill
>> area of the city just to get us going.

961
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:49,280
Um,
>> well, that's good.

962
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:54,560
» And I actually We we had a tour of waste
management last night before we had a a

963
01:15:52,080 --> 01:16:00,400
quick little workshop meeting. Um so
that's just where Rochester is is at and

964
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:04,560
just to fill you in just an FYI.
>> So do you have any idea why the Gaffne

965
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:07,520
Homes zoning orders was torn down for
that elderly complex they wanted to

966
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:13,280
build? I figured you must know that
you're on the council.

967
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:18,800
» Well um I was at the workshop meeting
last night. we had a non-public session

968
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:24,320
and by the time I got home that was over
and I'm sorry I needed some sleep.

969
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:30,719
Um and that's one of the things that I'm
going to look at tonight. I will also

970
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:37,040
share with you that um I had had a
meeting with Betsy Andrews Parker about

971
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:46,880
two weeks ago um and I met with her with
regard to that proposal. Um and

972
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:51,199
I personally absolutely loved it. Um
and I will probably now that I know

973
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:54,239
you're breaking the news to me. Um,
>> I was just wondering why

974
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:57,040
» reach out to her and and I will find
out. I will go back and

975
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:01,120
» Well, I've got a phone call with her
today. So, I'm going to I was just going

976
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:04,000
to ask her what what happened because I
want to know some of the dynamics. I

977
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:08,320
realize it's probably in some for
commercial zone, but

978
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:14,320
» no, we changed we we did some other
stuff. I I without me getting my foot in

979
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:19,760
the door to research it and to look at
it, but we we had sat down. I met with

980
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:26,400
her. Um she asked me because I it's in
my ward um and they had reduced the

981
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:30,000
number um of units that were going to be
added on to that. It's going to be a

982
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:35,520
separate building out to the back and
they had gone through the technical

983
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:42,239
review committee and I honestly thought
that all of that was okay. I don't know.

984
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:48,239
Um in all honesty by the time I got home
I had some dinner and I get got up this

985
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:53,760
morning and as usual where Susan on the
commissioner's meeting. So, um

986
01:17:51,679 --> 01:17:58,719
I just
I will look into it and I will look at

987
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:02,960
the video and I will be on the look
after the minutes and the notice of

988
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:09,199
decisions and I that I should have all
of that. Um and I could bring excuse at

989
01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:12,640
next week's meeting so you're
more than happy to do that.

990
01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:17,760
» Yeah. Well, hopefully Betsy can tell me
when I talk to her today about what they

991
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:21,840
do, like what their reasons for it. Uh,
it just seems that every time they come

992
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:26,400
up with an alternative housing situation
or an affordability for the elderly and

993
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:30,880
the sick, these people in Rochester,
they just continue to to to say no to

994
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:35,840
these projects. I don't get it. It makes
no sense. But

995
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:40,000
» I mean,
I was familiar with Gaffne because I had

996
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:42,560
a family member that was there for a
short period of time.

997
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:47,440
» So did I years ago.
>> And

998
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:53,040
when it closed because of whatever
happened there. Um, and then they

999
01:18:49,840 --> 01:19:01,280
decided to redo it and take the little
annex and and do the the apartments. I

1000
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:06,239
was like all all for that. Um,
and

1001
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:10,960
then they purchased next door and they
had this plan and I know I think it went

1002
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:18,480
from 45 or 46 units down to like the
mid30s. They they reduced the number of

1003
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:23,440
units. And the one thing that
I I asked Betsy, I go, she said, "We

1004
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:27,360
have so many studios and so many
one-bedrooms." And I kind of looked at

1005
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:31,120
her funny and I go, "Studios." And she
said, "That seems to be the upand

1006
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:33,280
coming. That's what people want
>> because people don't have the

1007
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:36,800
possessions.
>> They don't have the possessions. They

1008
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:40,560
want the money. They don't want they
don't want to take care of stuff."

1009
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:47,199
» Exactly. and all that.
>> And we kind of chuckled because

1010
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:54,159
we have stuff. Um, and I was like,
"Okay, that makes sense." And I'm sorry

1011
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:57,920
that I wasn't able to go to the ZA
meeting.

1012
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:02,239
» I feel bad now that I go, but I had to.
>> Hopefully, it's some legitimate reason

1013
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:08,400
and not any craziness, which that town
up there has a uh a history of

1014
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:13,040
demonstrating. Also, don't forget
there's the appeal process, okay, that

1015
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:17,199
it can still go through.
>> Yeah.

1016
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:20,640
» And if that doesn't pan out,
unfortunately

1017
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:25,840
or fortunately, depending on how you
look at it, there's the court system.

1018
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:28,800
And I hate to see something like that
get dragged through.

1019
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:32,560
» The courts the courts will just remand
it back and force them to have it.

1020
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:36,719
» Nine times out of 10, that's what
happened. And then it's three years down

1021
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:40,560
the road. Yeah. Yeah, the cost of
construction, everything else that goes,

1022
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:44,000
but I I we won't believe this cuz I
know,

1023
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:46,560
» but I I will look at it and I will Okay,
>> see what information I can get to.

1024
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,280
» All right, that' be great.
>> Okay.

1025
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:53,199
» Okay,
that sounds good.

1026
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:57,199
All right, we don't have any more
questions for the co from the public,

1027
01:20:55,199 --> 01:21:01,080
I'm assuming. Anybody on Zoom want to
ask the commission a question?

1028
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:10,640
» Not seeative.
No, they're on they're on mute. Okay.

1029
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:13,280
» Uh then uh the chair motion to go into
non-public session for the purpose

1030
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:17,440
discussing personnel and contract
negotiation. I got a move I moved by

1031
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:21,600
commission second by myself.
Commissioner Levit myself. Yes. Uh that

1032
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:26,800
vote is unanimous. The commission will
retire and public session.

1033
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,800
Thank you.