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get the room situated and we'll get started.

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I'm calling this October 8, 2024 council meeting to order. We will start the

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the pledge of allegiance led by council member Kim is so please stand and then remain standing

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for the invocation by a rubbering bobby von Kelser, the pastor of building faith church.

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It will start with the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it

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one nation under God in the visible with a degree in justice for all.

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First and foremost I'd like to thank Brad for having me down in my first cousin, our

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second cousin and mayor of Straussburg. Don't hold that against her.

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But I'm Pastor Bobby Funkhalzer building Faith Church at Mount Hebron.

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He was educated here in Straussburg called this my hometown and enjoy this town very much.

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So first of all, I'd like to say a few things about the Pledge of Allegiance, it says in

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there that it's one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Indivisible means that we're undivided, that we're rock solid, that we stand together.

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And I think a lot of times we all forget about that, because we stand together, we stand

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together through Jesus Christ, our Lord, and Savior as well.

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So let us bow our heads for the prayer.

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Heavenly Father, we come to you this beautiful, beautiful October evening.

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Thank you so much, Lord, for the blue sky, for the sunshine, for the green grass, and for

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the rain that you brought to this valley to ease the drought.

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Lord, we thank you for protectiness from the storms.

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We pray for all those that was affected by the storm and those that will be affected again,

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where we send out our heartfelt thanks to all those who respond to help those people, and

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know Lord that you're looking after each and every one of them. I know that I have two from

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my church that are lying in it or restoring power who is now in Miami and station there

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until the storm is over so they're in harm's way, protect them as they go forward as well.

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But for this meeting tonight, Lord, let us be undividible. Let us be rock solid. We might have

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differing opinions and we might not feel the same way about every topic, but we are united

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through Jesus Christ through your Son. Help us to come together for the best of all what is best for

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everybody. Let us not be selfish and our thoughts. Let us be open-minded and be able to be changed or

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persuaded to believe in something that we just might not quite always believe in. But what is best

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for all is what we're looking for. Be with this counsels, they go forward, bless them, bless their families,

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bless all of us, Lord, and keep the safe as we go through these storms and these ridges and valleys

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in our life that come out so very often. Thank you again Lord for the loving arms that you surround

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us with and for your loving grace that you put on each and every one of us. And together we all say

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amen.

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Thank you.

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Mayor Bois.

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Vice Mayor Macquarie.

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Councilman louder.

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Councilman Kimment.

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Here.

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Councilman Houser.

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Councilman Monahan.

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Councilman Carter.

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Here.

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Councilman Woodson.

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Here.

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Councilman Stover.

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I'll count to four seconds.

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Thank you.

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Next, I'd like to ask the Council to consider an addition to the agenda, our

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The look of council has been retired for what all the week and we admit.

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The item on the agenda.

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The item in question is the reimbursement to the fire department for the replacement

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of the doors.

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I have a motion.

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Council member Kimnits.

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I move to act consideration of the straws were going to volunteer fire department reimbursement

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for the door replacement project to the agenda under old business.

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There is second.

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Second.

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Thank you council member Carter.

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All in favour, signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Any questions?

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Next we have the introduction and recognition of visitors and guests we're going to begin with

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a special recognition presentation for the Straussburg Police Department.

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She's saying her.

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Thank you.

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Tonight I'd like to recognize two cases.

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The hard work.

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not only the ladies and gentlemen that are here, but the entire agency.

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On July 3, 2023, the Strauss-Root Police Department responded to a private

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residence on Pleasant View Drive and responded to an unmedical emergency.

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Upon arrival, it was determined that the victim was deceased and expired because of

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violent attack involving an edge weapon.

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The initial stages of the investigation were extremely labor intensive.

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They utilized countless resources, including all sworn officers of the Schroesbury Police Department and other neighboring jurisdictions.

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The overall process of addressing the crime scene for the presence of evidence continued during overnight hours.

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And well went to the following morning.

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After the crime scene was processed, the investigation continued around the clock, approximately four days later.

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The perpetrator was identified and apprehended in the suburbs of the Solisbury, Maryland.

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This investigation included our detected division and two additional sworn officers with

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investigative experience along with the Frederick County Sheriff's Office.

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Assistance was also sought from the Delaware State Police, Maryland State Police, as the

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offender was visiting relatives in Maryland and Delaware where she was located.

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More than 280 hours of overtime, and I would have meant that has increased since we were

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just completed the trial.

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Additional follow-up items remain still to be completed.

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The overall impact is more than seven weeks of seven regular hours were logged in over time alone.

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These hours were accrued in approximately 30-day period.

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I would like to note during the time that amount of time that these officers and tech

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have spent away from their families and loved one in the sacrifices dedication that they

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made to bring justice in this case.

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I'd like to recognize the officers and detectives and their hard work and dedication, as

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I call your name, please come forward.

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Captain Jay McDonate, Lieutenant Philip Henry, Lieutenant Cody Meade, Lieutenant Eric Rainey,

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Detective Ann and Springer, Detective George Robert Poe, and we'll like to recognize

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investigative Brandon Hayes of what a Frederick County Sheriff's Office who played a critical

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role in cell phone data and IT support from this agency and also a Frederick County Sheriff's

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office for lending us a 3D scanner, Mr. Carter, I know you're expertise, and so very expensive

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resource that we don't have, but we have partnerships that allow us to access those.

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So I'd like to recognize them, and this is a testament to their dedication, hard work and commitment

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to our community. You may have seen in the paper last week was the 5-day jury trial involving

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this case, and there was a conviction handed down by a juror of 12 on Friday, the first three murder.

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So again, praise their hard work, the hard work Commonwealth Attorney's Office to bring you

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us as a family.

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Ultimately, that's our ultimate goal.

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So again, recognize them.

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So thank you all, gentlemen.

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Thank you very much.

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Chief has passed the rest of the details of this investigation, as he could, and just want to

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let you and all know that we are very proud of you and the work that the department has done.

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And we'd love to get a picture with you all if you're amenable.

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If you're a plaques.

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Yeah, one more.

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We would like to do the second one, or would you like to do?

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Let's do it.

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So in the midst of investigating a homicide that required lots of time and travels multiple states.

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On March, I'm sorry, May 31st, 2023, the Pennsylvania State Police approached us.

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Straussburg Police Department regarding discovery of undenified skeletal remains that were in a remote

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state park in Perry County, Pennsylvania. There were found in May 27th of 2014.

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Through the extensive investigation and collaboration between special agents with the state police

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and the criminal detectives with the Straussburg Police Department, we were able to possibly

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identify the deceased and concluded that the victim had expired under violent circumstances within

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the corporate town limits of Charlesburg. Between October 12, 2012 and October April of 2013,

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also through the investigation we were able to successfully identify, locate and apprehend the perpetrator,

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as well as establishing a motive for the homicide. Our detectives had conducted countless

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in-person interviews executed two simultaneous search warrants that included assistance from

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Every sworn law enforcement officer employed by the Strauss Replace Department, as well as additional resources from other neighboring law enforcement agencies.

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A third search warrant was executed in Straussburg, Virginia on October of 2023, and there had been several other occasions where our detectives were required to travel out of state with little to no advance.

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Our detectives traveled to Louisiana to speak with the biological father and obtain the DNA sample.

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So that we could expedite the analysis of the biological evidence that is currently being

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examined at the Forentics Lab in the NASA's Virginia.

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The specifics of this investigation have enumerated over nearly 100 hours of over time

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along between three detectives and additional investigative avenues need to be explored still

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before trial.

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Charles May of 2025?

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April. April. They keep me straight. April of 2025. So they'll begin preparing

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for that trial. I would like to recognize the members of the Schroesburg Police Department.

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When I say your name, please come forward. Captain J. Magdenic, Lieutenant Philip Henry,

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Lieutenant Cody Meade, Detective Aaron Springer, and Detective George Robert Poe for your efforts

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and dedication and bringing closure to the victim's family, in this case.

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They spent countless hours working, coordinating with other jurisdictions and traveling

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to multiple states.

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We also want to thank the Pennsylvania State Police for their hard work and partnership

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through this investigation, and in both of these cases it'd be remiss that we didn't think

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town staff, the town manager, and you all for the budget that allows them the opportunities

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and training and experience that they can get to build and bring these cases again to

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Hopefully, successful prosecution and this, I would like to note out of these gentlemen, there's three of them, or graduates, other forensic academy, which is months long of intense training and experience.

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And then Lieutenant Henry has multiple forensic trainings and certifications as well. So, thank you all.

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And again, just want to recognize their families, you know, for their dedication, sacrifice, their children, you know. And again, we're so blessed to have the team that we do, and you're all support as well.

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Where would you like them, Stan?

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Right, right up here, gentlemen.

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I don't think I'll say it.

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I'd like to invite Melody Nixon, our engagement specialist to give a report on upcoming events.

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Good evening and thank you for letting me be here just wanted to kind of update you guys on a few things that we have born on and kind of maybe big for some help

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Lots of opportunities for some volunteer

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The first one is our scarecrow stroll first ever one that we've ever had in the town and I will let you guys know we have about 20 businesses

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that have agreed to create their own scarecrow and agreed to allow people to come in and

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to see what their business is all about and then on the 26th of this month, we are having

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a trick or treat downtown. We are opening up the Pavilion for any non-profit organizations,

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people who would like to sit up and do trick or treating. We'd love to have you guys

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come join us for that night. We're also going to have opportunities to have

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pictures done with the scarecrow could be lots of fun. Then after that is our

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big one, the grilled cheese and tomato soup festival. We're still working on

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some final plans for that. But one thing that we are going to have this year is

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information booth to help people because sometimes they get a little confused as to where

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this food truck is or something. We would love for you guys to maybe sign up for a couple

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of different hours we could spread it out through the day to just be there to greet for

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people that come for this wonderful event. So I'm throwing that out there. You all know how

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to find me if you want to join up and just let me know. And then the last thing I wanted to

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about was our Veterans Day Parade, which is really starting to fall into place. We have a guest

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speaker. Thank you to Councilman Monahan, Colonel Aote, has agreed to speak. Councilman Carter

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has agreed to do the prayer and then Mayor Boise is going to be our MC for the event down at

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a billion months, the parade is over with.

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The boy scouts, the FFA have all come on board

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to walk in the parade and help hand out flags

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again this year.

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So we're super excited about how all this is coming into play.

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There will be lots of, we could use help that day too,

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if any of y'all are available to pitch in.

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That's all I have.

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Do y'all have any questions for me about any of these events

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or anything coming up?

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Thank you all so much.

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Thank you.

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Mayors, comments.

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I am not the mayor.

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I'm the vice mayor.

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The mayor is out of town at a conference for today, yesterday in tomorrow.

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So I am taking over for her tonight to leave this meeting.

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Over the weekend, she presented a resolution to the Presbyterian Church for their 200 Anniversary,

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and she asked me to share that at this meeting tonight.

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So I'm going to read that for you all now.

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It is recognizing Straussburg Presbyterian Church on its 200th Anniversary.

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Whereas Straussberg, Presbyterian Church, founded in 1824, is the oldest surviving church in Straussberg,

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serving as a cornerstone of faith and community for 200 years.

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And whereas the church was established under the leadership of Reverend Dr. William Henry Foot,

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who brought English-language services to the German-speaking residents of the Shenandoah Valley.

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And welcomed worshippers of various denominations,

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particularly during the Civil War, when it served as a hospital for wounded soldiers.

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And whereas Drausberg, Presbyterian Church, has withstood the test of time,

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undergoing numerous renovations while preserving its historical significance

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and continuing to engage in meaningful community service and outreach programs.

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And whereas with 24 pastures over its history, the church continues to thrive under the leader of Reverend David Howard,

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with approximately 90 active members and remains committed to both spiritual growth and service to the Strasbourg community.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved that the town of Straussburg congratulates Straussburg,

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Presbyterian Church, on its 200th anniversary, celebrating its rich history and ongoing

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contributions to the community and expresses heartfelt gratitude for its lasting impact.

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And be it further resolved that this resolution be presented to Straussburg Presbyterian Church

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In honor of two centuries of faithful service, and that was adopted on the six suboptim.

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I'm sorry.

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Great congratulations to this church I had.

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I was a brownie rose scout and we had our meetings in the basement.

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I was a brownie rose scout and we had our meetings in the basement.

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I was a couple of times.

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I was a couple of times.

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The one that has the pumpkin pets.

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I was just making sure it was one by the school.

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I just wanted to just mention this gratitude and good feelings, good spirit that the town has shown in the weight of the disasters that have been happening with the storm's hurricane healing that ravish communities to ourselves.

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So many groups in the area in Strasbourg and surrounding have come together to gather supplies

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and send aid and it's just really heartening and a wonderful thing to see.

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We had just tiny little taste, not even the tip of the iceberg when dead energy through

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here and that is hard.

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So, it's unimaginable what those communities are going through and I'm grateful that folks in our community have been able to step up and help.

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Let's see.

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Next we have citizen comments.

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We find my script here.

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So, if anyone would like to speak during this time, you can come to the podium.

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I don't believe we had anyone sign up to speak, but anyone would like to speak to the

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Council, have a comment for the Council.

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You may come to the podium, you would have three minutes and you just need to state your

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name and address.

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Do you have to live in town?

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This has been near and dear to my heart for a long time here in the town of Straussburg and

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the town's up down the valley and I'm just urging the the council and those members of the

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town that are responsible for water, wastewater or fresh water, the fresh water side especially

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to take a long hard look at the drought that we had last year, the drought that we had this year

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and I know the river's been up twice, the river's running full. We've had water in our basements

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and it's been raining, but it's not going to always do that.

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And I'm just fearful of what might happen upriver if there's ever a toxic spill or somebody

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gets nasty and wants to pollute the water supply, where do we go, what do we do?

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And we depend on it.

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It's life like threatening without it.

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And as I ride around, I'm honored to know that Straussburg is growing.

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I'm honored to see that we've done it in a smart way as well, but I'm not also naive to

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know that that water has to come from somewhere for those folks, and the younger generations

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that are moving into our area are near as thrifty with water as our older folks was.

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They're going to need a lot of water, and we need to have another source.

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And John Henry Rhodes, Scott Blessie, Seoul, a good man, probably can tell you where every

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water main and where every water leak and everything else in town has been, we had a long

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conversation about the mountain, the reservoir on the mountain.

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33 million gallons of water, setting up all that mountain that's not able to be tapped

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into in the case of emergency.

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Don't know how much you would cost and I'm sure in today's terms it would be astronomical

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compared to 50 years ago, but at least that's one source that's available and could

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be readily attached into gravity-fed doesn't need a pump.

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Don't have to worry about electricity, it's going to feed down to us.

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It can be treated through the water treatment plant if we can treat the river to make

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drinkable we can treat the reservoir to make it drinkable as well. And I know there's probably

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other water sources we talk about wells that's pulling from our groundwater. Our groundwater

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in this area right now is still 15 feet below its normal stage. And if we drill wells in town

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for water and we start sucking that out of the ground then we're going to be in an deficit there as

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well. Stories is what we need. Some place to put water that when it rains like it's been rain

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and we can keep it. And we'll have it if we have to make water recreation out of it. If it means

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fishing, if it means voting, whatever it might be, that's something we need to look into.

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If it brings in a resource of money to help sustain itself, that would be wonderful to help pay for it.

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So that's just my thoughts. I've lived in Stahlsburg area all my life. I live at Mount Alaw.

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I look out my front door every day. It's signal knob mountain. And I see Stahlsburg light up at night.

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It's near and dear to my heart, but I know we have a problem, and the droughts, we could be in the same boat right now as North Carolina had that storm come in through the Chesapeake Bay, and we was setting on 30 inches of rain, 36 inches of rain.

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We could be washed out, wouldn't you be worried about water then, but you have too much, but our problem in this area has been drought more than it has been anything else.

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So just to thought, I'd like to see at least straws would do what Woodstock did, Woodstock

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formed a committee.

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They'd move someone from planning over and put them in charge of it and know you all

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have got people working on it, but I hope that you put somebody in charge to keep it in

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line.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other citizens, good comments, thank you for sharing the council.

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Hearing none, we will move on to our consent agenda.

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Do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda?

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Thank you.

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Councilmember Kimman.

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Do I have a second?

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Councilmember Carter.

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All those in favor, signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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All right.

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Moving on to old business.

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The first item is the skate park bid update.

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Our Rhino to Sir Director of Planning and Public Services.

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about six today, how many of your cog staff could you just in the papers?

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I can go back to the room, I believe so.

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I thought we'd start by showing this diagram.

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This is the schematic to plan for the skate park.

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When the rebid went out, we did it in two parts.

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the base bed, and then the bed alternate number one, which is outlined in the two areas of red.

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So, what's not in red is the base bed, and what's in bed takes in account the base

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of alternate bed number one. Okay. As you look through this. So, this is

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It's correct me when I get it wrong, why, please.

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These are all the numbers that came in on base bed, bed, alternate between the four companies

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that bet on this project.

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As you can see, currently, the apparent low-bedder is stone-heel construction with a base bed

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$155,830, bit alternate item of $80,960,000, and a total of $2,367.95.

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So those numbers will be important later on when we start digging into it.

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Had a conversation with the engineer to make sure through emails, to make sure,

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We had everything in the pot before we started really trying to

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sad what we could do.

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The first line item is construction administration and management.

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That's $8,500 cost.

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That's already been paid for by the committee.

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It's up there just for reference.

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Other items as part of the project would be construction materials,

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testing and inspection, especially when you do concrete.

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There's got to be a lot of tests to test in to make sure that it's to correct strength and

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intensive strength thanks to that Asia.

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Also with any project you try to have a contingency.

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For those unexpected items, you know, that you just can't know of or something you need to

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add onto it.

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So when you look at those with the base bed, that's another 30,500 dollars, your parent

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low bit or a 1.50-puff.

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830 brains, total to 18633. Go to the alternate bed item. Same process. The only number that really goes

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up is the contingency because it's 10% of the number. So now you go up to a parent 38700 plus the bed,

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The base bed plus the alternate bed item number one, you get 236, 795 for a total of 275 for an unit type.

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So those are the two apparent low beds through this process, the beds that were opened on this past Friday.

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We know currently that the town has a $153,000 in its budget for physics to be a $20,000

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through offer funds for this project.

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The committee also has some funds that are available, but we're still close to the one

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86, but we're not all the way there.

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What we, we're bringing these numbers to unite so you can see where the situation is.

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That's the bulk, we're having an email conversation late this afternoon about next steps.

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And we think it's best if we get the committee member, town style, the engineer,

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and as well as the individual who is offered to provide some

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income services and the contract, excuse me, can't forget the contract.

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All in the room and have some of these items out to make sure we're

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confident, you know, one thing about when you have the income, you have to make sure

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of that because if you channel that and it's not there and I'm not saying

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it wouldn't be, okay, I'll always play devils, I have to get some time.

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to what else, then that's increased as your cost, but I'm sure why I can speak of that better

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than I can. So we just wanted to show you this picture tonight, show you where the beards

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came in, and let's understand that staff, the community, the contract, the engineer,

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and the individual

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November 4th. I believe I have that date, right? Work session. Maybe we can come back and

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say, here's the money we have and here's what we can do as well as you guys may have some

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thoughts on funding or something else. I'm not, you know, just wanted to set the table where

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we are tonight and how we plan on moving forward and then listen to any feedback and discussion

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that town may have, what may have someone he'd like to have?

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Yeah, I'll just say on top of that, like you guys saw the first picture of kind of where

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we had made the cuts, the skate park is still 80% there.

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It's just all the flatwork, which made it a lot easier for the bidders to come in and do it.

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You could see like those, it seems like a small section that that was 80,000 dollars

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worth of work according to the lowest bidder.

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So, skate park still functions without those things.

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I had to push a little bit more, but that's okay.

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There are also still two obstacles in that picture on the far left

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and the far right that I can remove as well.

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If necessary that won't impede the functionality of the skate park,

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whatsoever, having finished in Winchester,

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I know around about how much those obstacles will cost.

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And if I think with the deficit that we're looking at,

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of what we've really outlined right now, like if it came, push came to show, we use all the

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contingency money and we are at maximum potential budget. I'm pretty confident that

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cutting those two obstacles, so if not just one, we'll make up for that difference, because

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one obstacle in Winchester, like a tiny little ledge. You know, maybe that tall or something like

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that was like four grand each, each time we put one in and those obstacles are like twice as big

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those. So I think just cutting one or two of those out like we're there we're within negotiation

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range with contractor. We just haven't ended on Friday. We haven't had time to sit down with

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the contractor and have those firm figures for you to present. Thank you. Why? Any questions from

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the council? I have one. How's it going? So when we first started this, you were, I'm not a skater.

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So, you were explaining how this was going to be different because a lot of skate parks are

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designed in a way that you wouldn't want to use them to design them wrong.

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With taking those additions out with it's so neat that goal, we would have something unique

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for that's different from Royal or different from Winchester.

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Yeah, those ramps that you see, I know you can't kind of see, but those are the transition

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like more half-pipe style ramps and those are the ones that I told you guys like

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unfortunately you know that's the least used stuff at the skate park those big bowls that you see

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at front royal and some other skate parks like they cost them most money and they usually are the least used

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in this case they are really small they're only about three and a half foot tall maybe five foot

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but they're really just used for maintaining your momentum at this point and like I said you would just

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to push a little bit more, but everything else is street oriented and stuff like that.

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And so this still is the opposite of what they've done over there, so it's a sought-after

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thing for sure.

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Thank you.

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So this thing is more set up for street skating and not like pool skating with the back

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of the Bay of these to be.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's most of it.

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I mean, I really would like to eventually get that mini ramp section up in the top-right corner

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because that is a really fun thing and it's, you know, pretty tiny and stuff, but if it's

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got to go to have the larger portion of the skate park, I mean that's, like I said,

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street skating is what the majority of the people that are using the park are going to do.

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Mayor, I'm sorry,

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could those bid sections, which are our additions, though there is

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So they're classified as or that if the full thing you got that you want to see what you see is the full design of the skate park.

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In order because, as you can remember, we came back with a bed and they were severely over the budget.

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Staff and why it and some people got together with the engineering said, how can we frame this bed to at least have some options.

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And what you have is what's not in red is the base, which comes to the number in the

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blue.

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Everybody bet on what's in the red is in the pinkest red bed.

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So you bet on two separate things that come together and form the hole which is in the green.

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But when you award a bid, you can go on the base bid because that's the minimum we'll call it.

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So if you select the base bid, then you don't get the items outlined in red with this particular bid.

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You can opt to do that, of course, if you have the funding.

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Would that, could those be added later?

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Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the way that, it'll have to be discussion with the engineer

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of like, all right, like we probably won't dig out where the mini ramp section would go during

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the excavation process, if we know ahead of time we're not going to be able to afford that.

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Um, but in my mind, it's like, if there's 15 grand worth of contingency,

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and we come to

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the end of the discussion, everybody's on the same page. Okay, we didn't use that money. Well,

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maybe then we start adding those pieces back and things like that. But I mean, at this point,

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I look at this, we still got the nonprofit. It's still there. We can always raise money at a later date

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and start re-adding to that stuff.

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Why, well, the portions where those other ramps are,

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will there at least be a slab there that can still be of use?

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Um, so, I think I've got to talk to the engineers about that,

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because you can see where that kind of cuts in a little bit.

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Okay.

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On the top right, it eats a little bit of the runway

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for like the biggest section.

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I don't know if that's super detrimental, where we might have a discussion where, hey, let's just go ahead and pour flat concrete there.

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Just depending on how long it is, because that's part of the conversation, too.

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How far off are we? If that's the first priority, if it doesn't get built, that's the first priority.

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It's like, all right, well, we don't want to have to then deconstruct something later.

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Um, but yeah, like for the most part, like you still have almost all of the flagron, I think necessary to use it.

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It's not exactly to scale, but I mean, or this is to scale, but it's like, you can kind of see where that red line is all the way to that first, maybe where the stair set is kind of in the middle.

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Um, and you have some of those marks. You got like 30 to 40 feet of runway, maybe a little bit less, which is still enough for defunction.

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Well

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questions, tell a manager, can you go back, I would just like to see the bids again.

438
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:13,700
Is there any concern that they came in so much lower?

439
00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:17,080
I assume you'll look at their portfolio and make sure they're.

440
00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:24,680
I had a conversation with the engineers today about that, because asking them, because it's kind of part of their project.

441
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:31,220
to tell us that we've got a responsive and responsible better and they gave me the green light on

442
00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:37,420
that today felt that this company was fine to do this work. Now we do want to have the

443
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:44,160
sit down and have this discussions to say, you know, just make sure everybody's comfortable,

444
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,500
but also maybe a couple of things Mr. Baud is mentioned about bringing out to get us to the budget

445
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,700
we're trying to seek to get to, unless that's modified.

446
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:00,160
Just to add to the way we release, they stopped by on Friday, and they saw on WHSB.

447
00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:05,100
They saw the guy that talked to Jerry Martin, he's the, I guess, owner engineer, he seemed

448
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:11,680
to actually just want to do it because of what it was, not to make money, that was the impression

449
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,160
that he gave.

450
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:14,380
You did not speak that, this is the impression he gave.

451
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,900
Oh, so, thank you.

452
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:25,900
So this just means we're really just two grand off the mark. I mean, or whatever it is, like on the base one, on the base.

453
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,880
Yeah, but then you have to add in contingencies. So, yeah, don't forget about it.

454
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,920
Because you never go with the lowest, but everything costs.

455
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,520
to be $1.86.

456
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:40,080
The $1.86 is what, currently, you'd

457
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,620
realize what I'm going to call it, the other calls,

458
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:47,700
soft calls, and then you have the bid at $1.55.

459
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:50,000
You come up to $1.86, break time.

460
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:50,700
Yeah, I got you.

461
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,820
And we probably have in the ballpark of $1.70, yeah.

462
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,580
We have $20,000 sitting.

463
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,280
So we're not going to call it Mark here.

464
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,580
Yeah, we're not far off the mark to put it in perspective like one of the things that the

465
00:42:07,580 --> 00:42:14,040
site work doesn't include is the stone base, but we've had multiple offers from multiple

466
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,280
places to donate that stone base over the years. We've just never like known when to tell them to

467
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:25,340
drop it off or learn to drop it off. So within the cost analysis and everything that's at least

468
00:42:25,340 --> 00:42:31,180
a $10,000 donation that seems to be on the table, there's a lot of things that people have

469
00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:36,080
offer to us that we've not been able to necessarily like insert yet, but now we can finally

470
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,480
start having those conversations with those people. So there's a lot of ways to kind

471
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,660
of gain back that ground. I think we're off by like 13 now right now we're now.

472
00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:52,760
Start King Island all the different between the estimated project total with the base bid and

473
00:42:52,760 --> 00:43:00,080
what we believe we have town and committee funding for. And that's why we want to sit down with

474
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,540
group and say, hey, contract or, you know,

475
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,100
experts telling me that know about this type

476
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:10,540
of thing.

477
00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:18,160
How do we make up that 13 of, you know, can we, as Mr. Baller is indicated, if they're

478
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,360
stoned in there, can you contact us and say, okay, if you help us by this stone, that's

479
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,500
4,000, not 5,000.

480
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,920
That's why we want to have that conversation to see if we can get to a mutually agreeable number.

481
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,920
All right.

482
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,520
I'll just remember what's in it.

483
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:35,540
I'll be honest with you.

484
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:38,940
I personally love it just because I mean the kids need something.

485
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,500
And it's like we have the library and, you know, we got lakes and rivers and stuff like that.

486
00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:48,540
But I mean, I'm personally just, I'm tip of the death by hate.

487
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:50,460
But I'm just glad to see the numbers.

488
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:53,060
Love them on again.

489
00:43:54,180 --> 00:44:00,800
Why do you think that some of the, some of the people who have just offered that you'll be able to reach out to them,

490
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,440
before you meet with the town manager.

491
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,480
But with the stone, and to start this conversation,

492
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,740
so have that going into the meeting.

493
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,340
Right, I spent the last two weeks

494
00:44:12,340 --> 00:44:14,480
calling contractor, trying to get them to bid.

495
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:16,620
So yeah, I'm feeling you did that.

496
00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:19,540
Yeah, well, unbelievably, it's like been like,

497
00:44:19,540 --> 00:44:20,660
I think one of them participated.

498
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:23,160
I mean, all the effort it was kind of crazy

499
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,860
how few people really did it, but at the end of the day,

500
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:30,000
we got the amount of bits we needed, so it's all worth it.

501
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,540
But I have a lot of contacts and then just past conversations where I've got those people's

502
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:37,520
names noted and stuff like that, I think you can go.

503
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:41,760
And I think Vice Mayor had a question and was like, oh, what about this number?

504
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,900
It seems so much lower.

505
00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:52,220
Just to kind of put this in perspective, and Winchester, I broke out the square footage of

506
00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:58,700
like what we did there versus what we're doing here, this number is that we're getting

507
00:44:58,700 --> 00:44:59,960
with this company's bid.

508
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,840
It's right in line with about how much that cost. So that's kind of proof. Yes, it can be done for that cost. This is not completely off the mark.

509
00:45:12,540 --> 00:45:18,940
This is really exciting. Thanks to you in the committee for continuing to put in so much work.

510
00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:27,440
I mean, I think we have also been supportive and, you know, yeah, we're really glad that

511
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:35,020
this, it seems to be, it seems to be working in our favor to go for the second bid and yeah,

512
00:45:35,540 --> 00:45:36,700
I'll go that way on my way past.

513
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Yeah, so it'd be our intent to work this schedule and meeting so we can bring back some clear

514
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,740
information maybe some clear direction that you know them the fourth

515
00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:49,800
work session.

516
00:45:50,060 --> 00:45:51,720
That's what we're still, right?

517
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:53,760
I'm going to ask you some of the way we're...

518
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:57,000
We need, I just need to be reminded.

519
00:45:57,940 --> 00:45:59,720
We need to be actually...

520
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:03,460
This is the date that we have to have this one now.

521
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:04,720
We have to have this.

522
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,620
The puns allocated from the town's perspective about these in the 31st.

523
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:10,160
It's similar to the river.

524
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:25,480
So if we signed contract, if we come back with some data, some items, what we've

525
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:32,900
worked in where they are, then it's just a decision at that point by cancel, which could

526
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:37,900
happen then it's a regular November meeting, and then we have over a month to get a contract

527
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:41,900
execute it, and then that would take care of the fund in source.

528
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:43,320
Okay.

529
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:45,240
That's another card.

530
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,220
And I just want to give thanks to Wyatt and the committee for putting this out there.

531
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:52,300
To me, this is a net benefit to our community.

532
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,500
I grew up skateboarding, friends, things.

533
00:46:56,100 --> 00:47:01,140
It was such a good thing to bring guys together, guys and girls together to skate.

534
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,400
And I'm just so thankful that you guys have not quit.

535
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,320
I know the mountain's been steep, but you guys keep pushing.

536
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,960
So I'm thankful for that effort and I just say keep pushing.

537
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:12,820
Thanks.

538
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,580
Next on the agenda is the Clean Street Cemetery update.

539
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,220
I'm going to turn this over to town attorney.

540
00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:32,880
Not a whole lot to update you on.

541
00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:40,260
I'm actually trying to get scheduled a meeting with a very interested individual.

542
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:47,360
And she's followed up with me and we've been in contacts that she has a lot of historical

543
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:55,180
information about the site herself that I'm hoping she can maybe help me actually find

544
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,120
some of the perhaps missing pieces that I'm running into.

545
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:04,440
What I need to ultimately, I think we're going to end up needing to do is probably going to

546
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:11,560
order, you know, speak with Waverly or Mr. Otis one, and get a site survey for the platform

547
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:17,620
to be drawn up. And once, once we have that, then I think we'll be able to move forward

548
00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:27,880
on the actual petition itself. I've been trying to get, I guess, uncover some of the, there's

549
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,720
just not a whole lot of records that I'm able to find otherwise. And so I think we're just

550
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:39,400
have to figure out the plot, get a design layout that we're kind of for the area that we're

551
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,280
proposing to take so that we can attach that to the position. Other than that, and I think

552
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,820
my conversation is, is that she's been, we've been emailing back and forth, she's actually

553
00:48:48,820 --> 00:48:55,900
wants to come to my office and sit down with me so we're in the process of scheduling that for

554
00:48:55,900 --> 00:49:00,220
hopefully next week. I'm sure she'll have a lot of them for me.

555
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:07,900
Thank you for having those meetings and digging for that information. Any questions for

556
00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:10,700
town attorney home on this item?

557
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,060
Thank you for that update. Next.

558
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,400
This big shop regulations update again with town attorney Mike.

559
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:33,820
And I'm not sure where we left this on the last time, and I know that Mr. Otis and I have kind of been discussing this quite a bit.

560
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:42,740
When the legislature passed the statute, it's 15 to 912.4 for those taken notes.

561
00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:50,460
Basically, they said essentially that you can regulate these stores, these hemp stores,

562
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,200
the nicotine, retail locations for these tobacco vapes, lots of vapes, and they specifically

563
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:01,200
defined it as a thousand linear feet of a child-day care center public-private-procure

564
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:01,960
school,

565
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,240
and that's essentially it.

566
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:17,640
And so my opinion, and I know we've kind of been bouncing around on whether or not there's any other avenues of restrictions, any other kind of things we can do.

567
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:24,960
I really think when they specifically gave us these limitations, Dillon rule kind of says, hey, this is your authority?

568
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,700
And that's that.

569
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:33,380
Normally, we have inherent police powers that says you can regulate for purpose of health safety welfare.

570
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:37,600
But we're also restricted into the same guys as saying,

571
00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:42,580
but when we tell you you can do something, you're kind of limited into what you can only do.

572
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:48,360
And so we do have inherent authority, but when they specifically limited or give in you authority,

573
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:50,500
you're inherent authority kind of goes away.

574
00:50:50,500 --> 00:51:00,840
And so it's not clear as to whether or not that's still under our zoning power, whether or not we could still potentially get into some other areas of regulation,

575
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:12,880
number of shops, that's sort of thing, but it seems to be that would be discriminatory in nature to valid business shops that are regulated, just like anything else.

576
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,200
So, like them don't like them, it's what it is, I think, at this point.

577
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:28,720
And I don't know if Brian and I have exchanged notes back and forth a couple of times on the possibility

578
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:33,400
of our, with the ordinances, under to talk about signage.

579
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:39,880
And I think on the last version, actually, I don't think that this is actually the last

580
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,880
I think we've actually discussed removing some of the transparency language under the signage.

581
00:51:47,120 --> 00:52:05,640
Primarily due to concerns that we could end up running a file again of that this is not a uniform application of our zoning walls for any other similarly situated business.

582
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:12,760
And so actually, I think that one, I think the version on the screen might not be the most recent that he and I have exchanged.

583
00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:33,440
So just FYI, because again, that's part of the debate that we're having, whether or not it's a valid, whether or not there's a valid interest that that is addressing.

584
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,720
that wouldn't otherwise apply to other similarly situated businesses.

585
00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:42,060
You don't have that restriction on alcohol.

586
00:52:44,340 --> 00:52:45,820
You don't have it on other types.

587
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,480
So, any other stores that sell items that could be considered harmful or dangerous,

588
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,140
gun stores, that sort of thing, is just doesn't apply.

589
00:52:54,340 --> 00:52:57,700
So, you get into the question why just these types of stores.

590
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,020
And unless we have that good rationale and authority to say,

591
00:53:03,020 --> 00:53:05,740
because it addresses this particular issue.

592
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:08,140
It's arguably disturbing.

593
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:12,970
Councilmember Monahan.

594
00:53:13,450 --> 00:53:16,390
So under, I just devil's advocate.

595
00:53:17,230 --> 00:53:20,330
So under, what is one of the screen right now?

596
00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:26,230
If our other businesses are under,

597
00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:29,830
we wouldn't around and measured the tending on box office.

598
00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:39,550
and they fell under the less than 50 percent role. We could put that into our general regulation

599
00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:45,290
as everyone in town has to follow that and then it would meet that transparency guideline

600
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:50,590
correct, and then we wouldn't be discriminatory. Again, if we had, we'd still have to be able

601
00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:53,890
to point to the valid, what is your, what's the rationale?

602
00:53:56,220 --> 00:53:58,760
If our officers can drive by and

603
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:06,010
inside any establishment than they, it possibly helps them protect the citizens to see what's going on.

604
00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:14,060
If you have a jargon, somebody that has a gun in box office, where Nancy's, they can actually

605
00:54:14,060 --> 00:54:15,780
see that when they're driving by.

606
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,400
And, inherently, I agree. I think fundamentally, the question

607
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:28,400
becomes, is that a valid exercise of a town's authority versus a business enterprise is decision

608
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:33,700
safety and security, and that's the competing interest there.

609
00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:41,020
And again, this is a discussion, we've had, back to court, I can see the ballot exercise.

610
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:50,560
I think it's, if we were to consider a planet universally, hey, if you are a forward-facing

611
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:58,260
business located on Main Street within the town, then we'd ask that all that your glass

612
00:54:58,260 --> 00:55:05,120
display, your forward facing windows have at most of 50 percent tents so that they can

613
00:55:06,340 --> 00:55:11,380
for purposes of, you know, law enforcement to be able to see, to be able to encourage,

614
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:19,180
but again, you know, AB, a lot of these aren't going to be probably forward facing businesses

615
00:55:19,180 --> 00:55:25,260
looking at on the industry either, but again, maybe. But if we were instituted something like that,

616
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:28,440
It would only be for new businesses beyond that point

617
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,460
that would have to stick to that.

618
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,140
Well, because everything else would,

619
00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:32,200
that's a great part of all it is.

620
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,200
Yeah, you grandfathered it.

621
00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:36,780
Good thing you would get.

622
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:42,300
And again, the privacy of patronage, for instance,

623
00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:48,540
lawlessness, from my business, I want, I don't want people

624
00:55:48,540 --> 00:55:50,240
necessarily to be able to look into see who my clients

625
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:51,120
are sitting in the lobby.

626
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,560
So I may intentionally want to black out my windows

627
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,160
in order to say that somebody can't just walk by and be like, oh John's in there saying

628
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,060
the lawyer, what's he doing? Do you have been charged with this?

629
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:09,920
So there are valid reasons at times that some businesses cancel in offices, privacy

630
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:16,820
concerns that could trigger and say, hey, we need a greater than 50% and we don't want

631
00:56:16,820 --> 00:56:22,300
people to see who's in here. So again, maybe you could build in those exceptions. But again,

632
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:28,080
And you're talking about crafting a much bigger order than policy than this, again.

633
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:34,940
So it just becomes a question of, okay, where do we, how big do we want to create as

634
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,400
a, what's the need, where do we go with it?

635
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,300
And so that's my concern when I look at this and I'm like, okay, we're targeting one business,

636
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:49,360
is that fair to do just due to the nature of the business and is it addressing a value

637
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:49,640
concern?

638
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:58,280
I can see absolutely. I could see it. I think other jurisdictions some jurisdictions have passed it before they passed this update on the regulations before they passed this statute.

639
00:56:59,540 --> 00:57:05,480
And I've seen it in another jurisdiction where they said, hey, if you're going to have, you got to have a certain level of tint on your windows kind of thing.

640
00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:07,360
Would they hold up to challenge?

641
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,540
I don't know.

642
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,000
When was that new regulation passed?

643
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:20,360
This talked about this was in 2024 so it was just that. It's recent. Yeah, it just it just happened

644
00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:24,500
It looks like April fifth of this year.

645
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:31,490
Yeah

646
00:57:32,530 --> 00:57:33,750
I guess

647
00:57:34,530 --> 00:57:44,970
What I'm hearing because we have these state laws state codes that kind of I'm kind of just reiterating what you already said like

648
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:47,130
spell out

649
00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:51,770
And legally is what we, how we are to treat these types of businesses.

650
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:58,130
It's really tricky to attempt to do anything more.

651
00:58:00,090 --> 00:58:00,410
Pretty much.

652
00:58:00,870 --> 00:58:04,310
Basically, the legislature has acknowledged through this code.

653
00:58:04,610 --> 00:58:07,490
They heard, I think, a lot of zoning jurisdictions say,

654
00:58:07,850 --> 00:58:08,890
Hey, what can we do?

655
00:58:09,870 --> 00:58:11,750
We're concerned about the number of these businesses.

656
00:58:11,810 --> 00:58:14,430
We're concerned about these businesses popping up.

657
00:58:14,430 --> 00:58:17,370
And they're putting these flashy signs, and they're right out here, and these kids look

658
00:58:17,370 --> 00:58:18,730
at it, and they go, oh, candy.

659
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:28,970
And so their response right now is simply, okay, don't put them within a thousand feet of

660
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:29,190
a school.

661
00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:35,330
Don't put them within a public private, appropriate school, a daycare center, that sort

662
00:58:35,330 --> 00:58:35,710
of thing.

663
00:58:35,970 --> 00:58:38,690
Keep them away from those sensitive eyes.

664
00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:42,050
Other than that, that's about all we're getting.

665
00:58:43,790 --> 00:58:53,930
And so until, you know, and we're trying to address in this definition, of course, we're going ahead and starting to get into the classifications with, you know, recreational substances.

666
00:58:54,270 --> 00:59:06,310
Because obviously, you know, depending on how the marijuana legislation continues to move forward and kick in, I guess next year or so whenever that comes in a play.

667
00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:13,350
I haven't looked at it recently, but that's going to be another moving factor in how they're

668
00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:18,210
going to continue to regulate that industry and these stores that are kind of setting themselves

669
00:59:18,210 --> 00:59:21,790
up to be more dispensary based.

670
00:59:22,030 --> 00:59:26,090
So that's why we're at least trying to address some of that, at least for where we can

671
00:59:26,090 --> 00:59:27,550
Please park them for now.

672
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:37,420
Additional comments.

673
00:59:40,590 --> 00:59:41,610
Vice-apposed.

674
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:47,330
You know, Mr. Otis will continue to refine this section.

675
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:50,850
We'll have another opportunity to review.

676
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:54,550
See how we feel about it.

677
00:59:54,810 --> 00:59:55,810
Give additional comment.

678
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:57,870
Mr. Otis.

679
00:59:58,290 --> 00:59:59,370
Can you limit?

680
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,580
Where these things go, because, say, doesn't match the historic district in our case.

681
01:00:06,860 --> 01:00:14,460
Can you limit it, like, potentially do something that, you know, for the historic, over, like, out of area, I think we could probably

682
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:18,140
We could probably consider something to that effect, potentially.

683
01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:24,100
Depends on, and I haven't looked at it recently to say, specifically, what are the historic district

684
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:31,460
requires or provides as far as the retail establishments, so I can't answer that specifically,

685
01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:38,200
but generally, yes, you can kind of funnel them into through your zoning and kind of

686
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:47,360
early districts in what you're doing or even change the, if you create in an overlay that

687
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:53,180
within certain areas, they have to look or a certain way, certain all buildings have to have

688
01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:57,620
whatever type of facade, no neon lights,

689
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,940
and that sort of thing, you can of course do that

690
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:02,760
within certain districts and areas that,

691
01:01:02,780 --> 01:01:04,780
so that if a business was going to park itself

692
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:06,760
into an area, they just have to comply

693
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,360
and have to look like a generic store

694
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:16,160
that just isn't advertising CBD and cratum or whatever,

695
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,300
stuff that they always put on,

696
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:20,300
because those are the big things that they put on the windows.

697
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:44,600
So, yeah, so you could potentially, and that's through, and again, you get into sign regulations and that's sort of thing, you know, window displays and all of that comes into play about the first amendment issues and what you're, and again, are you, where are you addressing what signs are you, you know, and usually that comes into size and, you know, number and dimensions and all of that.

698
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,640
I think the thing is, you know, we talked about the box office brewery in that being able to,

699
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:55,480
that being essentially a recreational term, something to say, but it's not garrish.

700
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:56,720
It's not loud.

701
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,460
It's not in a fits within our case, the town decor.

702
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:03,140
Things like that.

703
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:10,160
I guess that's one of my biggest arguments is it just detracts from an area.

704
01:02:10,780 --> 01:02:16,240
So, you know, again, Devil's Advocate would say, you know, some would come in to say,

705
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,760
oh, you've got a, you've got a pub in the middle of time.

706
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,700
That's, ooh, what is that?

707
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,600
I can't believe you're promoting, you know, out the whole of you,

708
01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:30,480
by, you know, having a pub or in the middle of your, in the middle of your mainstream,

709
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:31,460
across from town hall.

710
01:02:31,540 --> 01:02:33,180
This isn't the 1980s anymore.

711
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:42,860
And CBD users would say the same thing, hey look, your drug was alcohol choice, minus

712
01:02:42,860 --> 01:02:43,460
CBD.

713
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:48,120
And I need to place the buy it, the same as you need to place to go drink it.

714
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:56,860
And so, yes, has their marketing been designed in such a way as to be a flashy and attentive

715
01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:57,320
seeking?

716
01:02:58,700 --> 01:02:59,900
Will it calm down one day?

717
01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:00,380
Who knows?

718
01:03:00,380 --> 01:03:06,440
But right now yeah, is it is it kind of ugly on a face sure because that's their marketing approach

719
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:12,720
But that's a marketing issue that has nothing to do with a regular tour issue. That's brandy

720
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:14,280
Right

721
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:21,860
And they're still within retail category. No, there's someone there's someone a perfectly legal retail product

722
01:03:22,620 --> 01:03:24,960
Same as well or a dollar

723
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,820
same as dollar general category

724
01:03:26,820 --> 01:03:32,120
So it's it's it's a don't use I mean it it's it's regulated industry

725
01:03:33,380 --> 01:03:34,780
It's heavily related.

726
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:36,920
Just like alcohol.

727
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:38,160
It's again.

728
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:42,300
These are all heavily regulated, but as far as the ability to operate and sell them.

729
01:03:45,740 --> 01:03:46,580
Sorry, it's my honor.

730
01:03:46,980 --> 01:03:49,420
Yeah, I guess they do have the own category.

731
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,820
Now, under this revised language, the recreational substances.

732
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:55,960
Is there a category where?

733
01:03:56,940 --> 01:04:01,860
So then we could actually exclude them in the downtown area, because the reason why we couldn't

734
01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:07,120
four was because they were retail. They were retail establishment, but if they have their

735
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:13,300
own category, when we go through the UDO. We're defining it. We're defining it separately.

736
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:19,740
Oh, we are not not the state of Virginia. Well, the state defines it as not designing roles.

737
01:04:20,020 --> 01:04:25,080
Any locality may by ordinance regulate the retail sale of tobacco products,

738
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,680
nicotine, labor products. Again, it's a retail sale. It's a retail business.

739
01:04:27,820 --> 01:04:31,580
So it's still underrated. We're defining it under here as recreational substances for purposes

740
01:04:31,580 --> 01:04:40,260
of Arizona in order. Just like the adult stuff you mentioned, the only way you can have,

741
01:04:40,260 --> 01:04:50,860
they have the same, probably, languages, 84, 516, 1 by 1,000 feet. I remember back 30 years

742
01:04:50,860 --> 01:04:55,860
ago, the whole conversation about, no-wise, it's only known to have anything about adult

743
01:04:55,860 --> 01:05:01,580
books always love it. So, it was retail. The same thing we're sitting here talking

744
01:05:01,580 --> 01:05:07,080
about tonight. But it's 30 years ago. So, everybody had to go change their zone in

745
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:12,940
the one that's to have, to have the time for non-profit basically. You know, you know, whether

746
01:05:12,940 --> 01:05:19,720
it's book stores, whether it's Tesla, or not, novelties, whatever you, everybody had to do

747
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:25,780
that. Because before that, it was, it's retail. So, we're going to define it and we're

748
01:05:25,780 --> 01:05:31,340
to put some parameter to zone it and literally clearly time what that means. It's kind of

749
01:05:31,340 --> 01:05:38,380
what we're doing with this saying recreational substance establishment. We're saying that's

750
01:05:38,380 --> 01:05:45,840
not the jewelry store down the street. But again that's where the code of Virginia has kicked

751
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,800
in and only allowed us to regulate it within a certain, within a distance of certain,

752
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,580
which is exactly what they did back 30 years ago and actually what they did.

753
01:05:55,900 --> 01:06:05,240
And so I think as it continues as our laws continue to catch up to the products, that's always the case, right?

754
01:06:05,740 --> 01:06:16,730
You know, there was a few years ago they had the, I don't even, it's a K, it's a K2, I think is what it was.

755
01:06:17,250 --> 01:06:23,510
Not a K-1, that's a X-Y1, K-2, and they were all in these little stores all of

756
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:29,170
something. They just popped up everywhere, and, you know, of course, the laws had to catch up,

757
01:06:29,230 --> 01:06:35,870
and start regulating and say, hey, you know, that eventually they all caught up and

758
01:06:35,870 --> 01:06:40,230
kicked them all off because that stuff was just, you know, killing people or whatever it was doing.

759
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:45,230
I remember the person we got in mentally ill because of the stuff.

760
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:46,670
And so it's just crazy.

761
01:06:47,830 --> 01:06:49,010
But that's what takes time.

762
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:50,670
And so right now, they've given us the authority

763
01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:53,070
to give some regulation limits on the locations.

764
01:06:53,790 --> 01:06:54,770
They haven't given us a lot more.

765
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:59,230
But I think as the situation ensures, and I think,

766
01:06:59,350 --> 01:07:01,150
as you give more local governments really

767
01:07:01,150 --> 01:07:03,770
trying to pinpoint how we can move these things around,

768
01:07:03,970 --> 01:07:05,730
how we can regulate through our zoning walls,

769
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:07,390
and where we can kind of shift them

770
01:07:07,390 --> 01:07:10,450
and develop maybe these types of areas that say, hey,

771
01:07:11,010 --> 01:07:12,950
this is where we're going to put this type of industry.

772
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:20,430
That's I think we can move into that direction. It's just a matter of kind of figuring out how others whether it's overlay

773
01:07:20,430 --> 01:07:29,010
Distance or whatever it's going to be to establish that so would you say under section two if it didn't say

774
01:07:29,010 --> 01:07:37,310
Recreation substance assessments shall meet these but if you set all retail such as the jewelry store had to meet a

775
01:07:37,310 --> 01:07:39,970
small ass Model to it be permitted

776
01:07:39,970 --> 01:07:51,250
If everybody had to do that, I would be more comfortable if we were to establish that.

777
01:07:51,670 --> 01:08:01,670
And again, if we connected it to a valid, you know, concern or law enforcement purpose or whatever.

778
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:11,330
And again, we still have to create exemptions and exceptions, I think, for certain, you know, privacy, right, and actions.

779
01:08:14,850 --> 01:08:19,970
And like I said, you're certain professional businesses in particular that get into those types of things.

780
01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:22,550
So you're going to have exemptions if we do.

781
01:08:22,850 --> 01:08:29,070
That's a, like I said, that's a lengthy conversation that I think is a staffing sort of,

782
01:08:29,850 --> 01:08:35,590
Let's bounce some ideas and it's a working meaning, not necessarily, you know, where we do this and not.

783
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:42,970
Okay, but the idea is there, and I think we could probably, we sit down and brainstorm, I think we could probably come up with.

784
01:08:43,410 --> 01:08:48,630
The difference to me, you just pranked on about it would be, that's retail.

785
01:08:49,410 --> 01:08:54,890
Your office is not considered retail, it's a professional service, so they could have two different standards.

786
01:08:54,890 --> 01:08:58,370
Yes, right. So they might need beside each other.

787
01:08:59,470 --> 01:09:04,930
True. This one can this one have this one has to follow this and but a

788
01:09:06,150 --> 01:09:12,590
Professional service of a service that we defined it would not have to put that could put more tin

789
01:09:13,330 --> 01:09:18,010
To their window, but that's for I I'm just thinking out loud

790
01:09:18,010 --> 01:09:21,530
All right, and that in that very well, maybe where you start to delineate

791
01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:26,810
You know, there's enterprises and so it was brought in cloud way established, you know, what

792
01:09:26,810 --> 01:09:32,330
what establishments need, not just necessarily forward facing mainstream facing or any other

793
01:09:32,330 --> 01:09:33,750
road facing business.

794
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:34,010
Right.

795
01:09:34,150 --> 01:09:39,390
I think the only thing I say about this is let's correct and cancel up the loan.

796
01:09:39,690 --> 01:09:46,470
This is the one issue that is preventing us right now from going to public hearing on the

797
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:46,830
rewrite.

798
01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:50,010
So we got to choose something.

799
01:09:50,010 --> 01:09:58,130
Sitting here wondering is it how do we move the appetite on council with the majority of council for us to kind of hammer out

800
01:10:01,510 --> 01:10:06,990
Different standards for different types of businesses, and I

801
01:10:06,990 --> 01:10:11,750
I personally don't have that appetite, but I would like to know if the chief has any comment. I just actually

802
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:15,150
Yes, ma'am, that brings that question so

803
01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:17,670
I don't know if this is allowable

804
01:10:18,430 --> 01:10:21,470
You know like ABC regulates alcohol sales if you feel

805
01:10:21,670 --> 01:10:23,910
clients, there could be a civil penalty to lose your license.

806
01:10:24,730 --> 01:10:28,810
Is there any discussion in this industry about failed compliance checks where the

807
01:10:28,810 --> 01:10:31,090
locality could either engage in the Earth?

808
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:38,310
Of course, the civil penalty, and if it's repeated, and agreed just then could it be explored?

809
01:10:40,230 --> 01:10:45,670
So, my understanding is once the marijuana rolls kick in, there's, because they're

810
01:10:45,670 --> 01:10:52,290
at it that is going to be a similar oversight as the U.S. type source.

811
01:10:54,410 --> 01:11:00,170
As far as the rest of, I mean, we could do the same type of zoning and enforcement

812
01:11:00,170 --> 01:11:05,130
and penalties in the event that they failed to, you know, or if you're running screens

813
01:11:05,130 --> 01:11:08,150
tests, that sort of thing for, you know, who they're so on to.

814
01:11:08,430 --> 01:11:14,870
But outside of that, I'm not sure what kind of, obviously, we can set a schedule penalties

815
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:20,890
As long penalties generally need to be uniform across the board for zoning malls and enforcement.

816
01:11:22,570 --> 01:11:23,870
But so I guess that would.

817
01:11:25,210 --> 01:11:31,110
I'm not sure, I don't know, because the problem is is what it is, what aspect we're enforcing.

818
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:38,730
With ABC, of course, that's all state regulated in the sense and they've got their own compliance officers who come in.

819
01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:43,870
And that comes into what their displays are, what they're doing and how they're doing it.

820
01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:49,070
And I'm not sure that, and I think that's one of the reasons that they've delayed the

821
01:11:49,070 --> 01:11:54,050
full marijuana laws, essentially, because they want to make sure that they've got that

822
01:11:54,050 --> 01:12:00,970
regulatory agency more in place as that comes in, because again, they've talked about at least

823
01:12:00,970 --> 01:12:04,850
my understanding is, and I haven't followed it recently, and I don't know if they talked about

824
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:09,870
kind of a step, basically something very similar with the ABC kind of structure with the

825
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:18,030
system to try to have that. But again, there's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's

826
01:12:18,030 --> 01:12:22,670
what's yours. Yeah. That's a never car here. Well, I mean, that I was kind of, kind of

827
01:12:22,670 --> 01:12:26,810
discussed with the marijuana issue too. I was like, if we want to talk about all this

828
01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:30,330
in reference to the vape, we know most of these shops are leading more of that

829
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:36,830
direction, waiting for that, that marijuana thing to come around. I mean, in our

830
01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:42,890
video should we wait till that point, or should we right now start establishing, hey, you

831
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:47,850
know, not, not look at this low-hanging fruit if we know it's going to be here, should we

832
01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:53,970
start pushing back to what we're trying to do? Now, right now, we're, we're, we're talking

833
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:58,150
about just tobacco, nicotine, and hemp product because that's kind of what's currently

834
01:12:58,150 --> 01:13:05,050
regulatable. Now, what I would generally recommend is that if we use, if we go to at least

835
01:13:05,050 --> 01:13:09,370
start getting something working so that we go ahead and we establish the definition of

836
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:14,050
recreational substances, the establishments, the uses that are permitted, where they're

837
01:13:14,050 --> 01:13:18,450
permitted and getting the thousand feet and then, you know, from there.

838
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:21,050
That's your, that's just your base.

839
01:13:21,650 --> 01:13:26,910
We go in, you work in as you start working up your other, you know, regulatory schemes up.

840
01:13:27,150 --> 01:13:28,770
Okay, how do we want to structure these things?

841
01:13:28,770 --> 01:13:34,150
How do we want to, so that, because in the meantime, you know, you're just talking about a lot

842
01:13:34,150 --> 01:13:38,230
this is just kind of by right where they're popping off. And so you'll want to at least kind

843
01:13:38,230 --> 01:13:43,890
of get something on the books of saying, okay, let's get something out there to address the

844
01:13:43,890 --> 01:13:51,590
immediate threat, so to speak, of these businesses just kind of popping off. And then as we're,

845
01:13:52,230 --> 01:13:58,430
it's nice to do it, a giant one shot, one deal if you can do it. But if we're going to really start

846
01:13:58,430 --> 01:14:04,390
talking about potentially creating another regulatory scheme of the window tents and that sort

847
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:09,470
of thing for retail establishments, we just we may need to have some kind of studies of

848
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:13,470
saying, hey, what's what's reasonable, what's an appropriate level, how is this going to

849
01:14:13,470 --> 01:14:14,050
be applied?

850
01:14:14,290 --> 01:14:19,610
And again, you're going to be dealing with a lot of a grandfathered in businesses who say,

851
01:14:19,610 --> 01:14:21,170
hey, well, we're already well established.

852
01:14:22,990 --> 01:14:24,910
And maybe we do it here, I don't know.

853
01:14:24,910 --> 01:14:30,090
I just don't want our time to be seen as prohibitive towards new businesses.

854
01:14:30,990 --> 01:14:36,430
I understand, and we all have a, maybe a distaste for the vape and the future mayor

855
01:14:36,430 --> 01:14:43,270
want to be sold on Main Street, but I don't want to break out a shotgun to kill a fly.

856
01:14:43,810 --> 01:14:48,590
Let's use a fly swatter take care of the small business, and if we need to establish something

857
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:53,370
greater for that, that our greater desire, later, let's work on that.

858
01:14:53,770 --> 01:14:59,950
And the state, and I'm, you know, cautiously optimistic that the state is going to give us some of those tools.

859
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,580
That we need. I really think, I don't see them just completely unleashing marijuana on us, because the state's going to be, the state's already terrified of that. I mean, they've already kind of followed up with some other legislation to kind of start pulling back some of the, just, you know, it's legal free for all, have had it folks. You know, they've kind of sort of pulled back on some of them saying, hey, we need to have XYZ. Let's do this. You know, that's why they put the time frame out there when they did.

860
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:36,060
But it is going to be some chaos because the day that that clicks over and it becomes,

861
01:15:36,260 --> 01:15:41,880
I mean, you know, not only do you have the regulative business industry, but of course you have the guys that are still,

862
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,740
you know, because you can still have those four plants in the backyard kind of thing.

863
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,180
That's, that's not going away.

864
01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:55,840
And so, it's a no matter what, as we regulate the industry for those retail establishments,

865
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:01,500
I think that when they authorized this retail sale of it, I think they're going to give us,

866
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:04,580
they're going to have to give us some kind of guidance, they're going to have to give us some authority to say,

867
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:09,820
hey, where can we put these things and how can we keep them off the mainstream if we want to keep them off the mainstream?

868
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:17,020
And my understanding was that not every business that sells vapes will be licensed to sell the marijuana.

869
01:16:17,180 --> 01:16:20,340
Absolutely not. They're going to be quite stingy, I think.

870
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:26,040
is. So what I've gathered is you're going to have the you're going to have some, you know,

871
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:31,020
you're going to have to get the washing out so to speak. Yeah, I'm going to be every Tom Dick

872
01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:35,140
and Harry that's out here, someone on, you know, popping up a corner stand who's got a license

873
01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:40,240
to distribute. That's not going to be the case. You're not going to have these tobacco places

874
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:48,100
or whatever they are. I'm sure they're in line and I'm sure they're doing their due diligence

875
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:51,440
so that they will be totally one, I wouldn't get in this way.

876
01:16:52,260 --> 01:16:53,460
They're a big company.

877
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,300
And they've got the money to spend.

878
01:16:57,060 --> 01:16:59,280
All right, so my feeling was that a lot of those

879
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,200
will be flushed out once that happens.

880
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:02,900
I would say that I think some of them

881
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:03,220
are running themselves out.

882
01:17:03,220 --> 01:17:09,280
They're not going to have to tolerate that level of competition.

883
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,160
I mean, if you've got three stores on these,

884
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:12,860
I have the same thing.

885
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:14,840
But then again, maybe you can.

886
01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:15,620
I don't know.

887
01:17:15,620 --> 01:17:16,500
Got to thank you.

888
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:17,580
I don't ever see anyone else.

889
01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:21,320
Chief, can I ask you a question?

890
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:24,360
Sorry, I did need to bluntly.

891
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:32,520
How helpful is it to your officers for any business to actually have some transparency

892
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:41,140
and to establishments if you're driving by or walking by or approaching the building even for your safety?

893
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:42,400
Visibility?

894
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,740
Visibility inside a building.

895
01:17:45,740 --> 01:17:51,040
Yeah. I mean, yeah, visibility is always great, right? You never know. I mean, you're walking

896
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:55,580
into a call for service since, you know, blocked out windows or even stopping a vehicle.

897
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:03,460
The window tent, right, crazy, some, some safety concerns. So yeah, it's a scenario based,

898
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:10,460
right? Food line. It just depends, right? I mean, you know, on that. And if you're called

899
01:18:10,460 --> 01:18:14,980
there for emergency. So, but visibility would be optimal, right? You don't see two things we

900
01:18:14,980 --> 01:18:18,220
watch of the hands, right? And that's, in our work, that's what's going to hurt your

901
01:18:18,220 --> 01:18:24,060
guilty. And so we want to identify and threaten to their hands and be able to communicate.

902
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:29,540
So, I mean, again, it's near your base, but visible is always good in any combat situation

903
01:18:30,180 --> 01:18:34,460
or an altercation. I know that's not a direct answer.

904
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:47,920
So one thing that has been discussed a couple of times now is the recreational substance within the historic district.

905
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:55,860
We have, as you can see, we've already voted, we've already moved to restrict it to the B1 district.

906
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,220
Was there any problem with that, Mr. Helms?

907
01:19:00,380 --> 01:19:09,040
So that's just in our current highway commercial, but so that ends up not ends up down there.

908
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:16,660
So it's nothing down here, but we have to worry about, it's just along 55 and 11 essentially.

909
01:19:18,580 --> 01:19:28,720
I think that, I think that does a pretty good job at limiting and keeping it a long,

910
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:37,390
the main thoroughfare in the town, I think that's going to do a lot to also prevent sort

911
01:19:37,390 --> 01:19:39,190
of unsee this.

912
01:19:40,730 --> 01:19:45,430
It's still would be interested in, I mean, if it's not too much trouble just having Brian

913
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:47,730
at least explore the Tentin issue.

914
01:19:48,350 --> 01:19:49,910
It might not be too hard.

915
01:19:50,270 --> 01:19:52,550
We call it back Tentin, but every business,

916
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:54,030
or just this particular one.

917
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:58,250
Is the kind of role is how our other council member

918
01:19:58,250 --> 01:20:02,410
is feeling about that additional staff working to build

919
01:20:02,410 --> 01:20:07,910
an additional regulatory scheme on window Tentin town.

920
01:20:08,350 --> 01:20:11,690
Why is there, you're an appetite on council?

921
01:20:11,690 --> 01:20:13,390
I don't see many people do that.

922
01:20:13,390 --> 01:20:19,610
I don't really see many people tenure when it is in town because objective of the business is to sell your product and you want people to see it

923
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:22,130
I mean you passed that tobacco hud over there

924
01:20:22,130 --> 01:20:29,670
You can see all the way through it all the way through the end at other end, so I mean yeah, we can regulate it, but I think they don't want it anyways

925
01:20:31,710 --> 01:20:40,630
Okay, I'm not getting a sense that there's a majority of council members who wants staff to do this to put time into

926
01:20:40,630 --> 01:20:43,910
This window tinting regulation.

927
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:47,750
Now, in a fact, I could just chime in about the window tint.

928
01:20:48,670 --> 01:20:50,310
Chiefsaker brought up about food line.

929
01:20:51,330 --> 01:20:54,750
And I just remembered, they've got pretty heavy window tint out there,

930
01:20:54,830 --> 01:20:57,690
because the sun sets right there and to check out.

931
01:20:58,070 --> 01:21:02,630
There's certain businesses that might want or need to have greater than 50%.

932
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:06,710
I see this as a solution in search of a problem.

933
01:21:06,990 --> 01:21:07,830
You know what I mean?

934
01:21:08,670 --> 01:21:13,470
to create more regulatory burden not just on the businesses but on on our town staff to go in like

935
01:21:13,470 --> 01:21:22,570
let me check this window tent but we got the thousand feet you know and yeah I think I think these

936
01:21:22,570 --> 01:21:28,370
stores generally speaking want people to be able to see their product I don't think this is necessary I don't

937
01:21:28,370 --> 01:21:29,170
I don't have to do it for the winter.

938
01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:32,430
That was just doing a quick check.

939
01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:35,270
I mean, right now, you know, retail marijuana movement

940
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:37,310
isn't, it's just stopped.

941
01:21:37,610 --> 01:21:40,010
I mean, so now, obviously,

942
01:21:42,250 --> 01:21:43,460
if and when the, you know,

943
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:49,310
the 20, 20 colleges changes for the, for the commonwealth

944
01:21:49,310 --> 01:21:52,430
and maybe that'll happen in three or four years

945
01:21:52,430 --> 01:21:54,470
that things would change, who knows.

946
01:21:54,730 --> 01:21:57,370
I guess whenever the next government election

947
01:21:58,370 --> 01:22:06,290
That's what we're doing right now next year, then it'll be all set to 2020-7 and before you have regulations.

948
01:22:07,230 --> 01:22:08,350
Right, that's what I'm saying.

949
01:22:08,630 --> 01:22:10,890
So Mayor, Vice Mayor, excuse me.

950
01:22:12,710 --> 01:22:18,490
Based on that discussion, would it, are we saying then strike number two?

951
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:21,610
Yeah.

952
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:27,430
That's where I think Brian and I were both at in the last version of the one that he and I discussed.

953
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:37,450
And should this be the last item we need to agree on, if y'all have the consensus to agree on that,

954
01:22:37,850 --> 01:22:42,570
then direct staff to move forward with advertising for that appearance.

955
01:22:46,130 --> 01:22:47,390
Just trying to get it moving.

956
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:51,880
Does any comment from the council?

957
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:53,920
You can always change it later.

958
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:55,880
I mean, it's just a public hearing.

959
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:57,380
You probably hear a lot of stuff.

960
01:22:58,140 --> 01:23:03,020
It's striking the nose, no sun shading or tinting films, maybe a play.

961
01:23:03,140 --> 01:23:04,240
Really from 2Dale.

962
01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:04,880
Oh, I'm sorry.

963
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:05,440
They'll help you.

964
01:23:05,580 --> 01:23:06,500
Yeah, I take it on my mind.

965
01:23:06,820 --> 01:23:09,640
Basically, just sticking to the 1000 feet.

966
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,740
The only really regulation that has is 1000 feet.

967
01:23:14,540 --> 01:23:21,220
Then it goes back to meeting any other sign standards of the district, in which it is

968
01:23:21,220 --> 01:23:21,600
included.

969
01:23:22,540 --> 01:23:23,580
The open arching.

970
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:25,440
That good?

971
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:26,300
Yeah.

972
01:23:26,300 --> 01:23:36,920
So if that's the consensus that we'll strike 845416, the second reference, then we can direct

973
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:42,140
staff to proceed with again and to get everything ready to move toward public end.

974
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:47,180
Any objections from Council or any comments are any from Council on vote?

975
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,240
Thank you.

976
01:23:53,780 --> 01:23:54,360
Moving on.

977
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,800
on a part of date assistant town manager.

978
01:23:59,740 --> 01:24:02,980
So I talked to Josh with Ray Z and got their definition

979
01:24:02,980 --> 01:24:05,200
and part of it.

980
01:24:05,420 --> 01:24:06,340
And that's a little plan.

981
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:07,240
There's your phone.

982
01:24:07,740 --> 01:24:09,820
It was an aerial photo shot.

983
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,600
It was a commitment to a concrete pad.

984
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,720
That was able to provide them that would be removed.

985
01:24:15,820 --> 01:24:19,660
The shovel ready plan that we required to move is

986
01:24:19,660 --> 01:24:22,500
the lower than 75% of the officers.

987
01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:24,180
And that would include burn flight,

988
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:25,620
eclacolic, burn aircraft.

989
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,400
I don't see notes, these heels,

990
01:24:28,620 --> 01:24:30,920
you know, three of plans set versus just concepts.

991
01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:33,820
And you can have them at the end of November,

992
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,740
because that's also actually on talk,

993
01:24:38,980 --> 01:24:40,080
where really when I talk.

994
01:24:41,860 --> 01:24:44,760
And budget would cover coordination with town staff,

995
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,520
plan, all that comes up.

996
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,200
And Josh said they would do it by an hourly base.

997
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,380
That way it would notice people starting $500

998
01:24:51,380 --> 01:24:54,780
that was not quite so short, and we get a total of 12 parts.

999
01:24:55,800 --> 01:25:00,540
And that way, if you always find it, that's 65 to 68 or whatever.

1000
01:25:02,220 --> 01:25:03,900
And our budget law items, the park correct?

1001
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,840
We do have a line with building maintenance.

1002
01:25:06,260 --> 01:25:09,240
The part of it was come, come, park, to work on that.

1003
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,520
And then attention savings from our website are going to fill you with other

1004
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:14,260
things in a year.

1005
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:18,660
But council put a crew of us to allocate it from it from 25.

1006
01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:26,340
I'm a general fund, a lot of I don't, a lot of I don't, a lot of I don't, and then at the end

1007
01:25:26,340 --> 01:25:28,800
of the year, if you have any

1008
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:40,180
questions from council, verification, and state, and...

1009
01:25:40,180 --> 01:25:52,880
She's like, of course she do, so I look, so I looked up this grant and who has been the recipients

1010
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,120
of the grants in Virginia and around.

1011
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:01,120
There's 400 applications, only 6% get it.

1012
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:05,140
Having, I'm glad we didn't just go with a 3500

1013
01:26:05,140 --> 01:26:07,060
because you're going to have to do the 7500

1014
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:11,660
to even compete according to what T-Mobile said

1015
01:26:11,660 --> 01:26:17,560
at all their congratulatory towns that they gave the grants to.

1016
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:19,940
If we aren't a recipient,

1017
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:28,260
Well, these plans that we pay for last us for years, so that we can do it ourselves.

1018
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:32,100
And it is listed in our...

1019
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:37,880
It's not fun to get, but it is listed in our next year's CIP money set aside to redo home comfort.

1020
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,160
If we could definitely have that discussion, should it not happen before we have to start...

1021
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:43,940
How much does it put?

1022
01:26:43,940 --> 01:26:48,260
to be a 20 to 26. We can always have that discussion for you to be a 20 to 20.

1023
01:26:48,260 --> 01:26:51,460
I just want to, I don't like, I don't really have my money, I don't know.

1024
01:26:51,660 --> 01:26:54,240
Studies that, then go nowhere that way.

1025
01:26:54,260 --> 01:26:57,980
No, they, they don't have a pretty good shelf life, you know, but.

1026
01:26:57,980 --> 01:26:59,700
Yeah, it's not going to be anything crazy.

1027
01:26:59,960 --> 01:27:04,960
Well, unless regulations change drastically, and it's going to be going to

1028
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,700
plough for every quarter. I mean, I could be annoying.

1029
01:27:08,140 --> 01:27:13,920
Are we looking at taking out the big tall trees to get the extra 12 foot that's

1030
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:20,660
behind there to be deterrent under the fire department did like having some of that block

1031
01:27:20,660 --> 01:27:24,220
or there because it blocked some of the parking lot and their trucks and their vehicles

1032
01:27:24,220 --> 01:27:31,760
and it it's 12 prison imprater but that's part of the design we can work if that's a

1033
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:37,300
goal of this body we can see if there's something different that's aesthetically pleasing

1034
01:27:37,300 --> 01:27:43,600
but also accomplishes the desire of the fire department since they all be in a partner with

1035
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:52,320
But there might be a different way to versus trees more or I don't know. I'm just thinking a lot

1036
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,860
I'm really convinced me to chalk down some picture

1037
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:58,600
But I'm only one person

1038
01:27:59,220 --> 01:28:03,880
But I didn't say chalk them down. I don't want to, you know, take them out

1039
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,060
I don't think they're about that

1040
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:08,900
They're big trees

1041
01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:19,360
I don't know if you want to make a motion on this, I'm just going to say if you do, I would

1042
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:25,760
ask you, you have the front view, just put in the mail, not to exceed that figure, okay.

1043
01:28:26,580 --> 01:28:32,640
I just, as soon as Michelle said that, it calm a man, it should say that, but I wouldn't

1044
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,640
where I thought it was under something five, number seven.

1045
01:28:36,890 --> 01:28:38,590
Any additional questions?

1046
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:39,550
Comments?

1047
01:28:39,730 --> 01:28:41,350
I'm happy to entertain a motion.

1048
01:28:44,430 --> 01:28:44,990
That's number 10.

1049
01:28:45,530 --> 01:28:49,670
I'm going to screw funding for the RAC engineering proposal for the design plans of the

1050
01:28:49,670 --> 01:28:50,950
Home Town Park Improvement Plan.

1051
01:28:51,530 --> 01:28:54,070
Not to exceed the amount of $7,500.

1052
01:28:55,310 --> 01:28:55,590
Second.

1053
01:28:56,910 --> 01:28:58,710
Seven by council member Woodson.

1054
01:28:59,230 --> 01:29:00,910
Any additional discussion?

1055
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:05,910
Not all in favor, signify by saying aye.

1056
01:29:06,430 --> 01:29:06,550
Aye.

1057
01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:08,170
Any opposed?

1058
01:29:09,450 --> 01:29:18,750
Motion passes. Thank you. Thank you. We have one more old, old business item that we

1059
01:29:18,750 --> 01:29:23,850
added to the agenda at the beginning of the meeting. Straussford volunteer, fire department

1060
01:29:23,850 --> 01:29:30,730
reimbursement as you all remember. The volunteer fire department replaced some doors over

1061
01:29:30,730 --> 01:29:43,030
building, we own in the amount of 15,000, 600 and $80 and have requested reimbursement.

1062
01:29:43,870 --> 01:29:46,690
Does anyone have any questions about this item for staff?

1063
01:29:47,170 --> 01:29:47,370
No.

1064
01:29:48,050 --> 01:29:49,370
If not, I'll entertain them for sure.

1065
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:51,410
Please can I also amend this motion?

1066
01:29:51,810 --> 01:29:51,910
Yes.

1067
01:29:52,770 --> 01:29:55,290
Where it says, General Fund continues to see a lot of item?

1068
01:29:56,050 --> 01:29:57,370
Say, RPF funds.

1069
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:59,150
Our proponents are, yes.

1070
01:30:01,390 --> 01:30:22,190
Okay, we want to go ahead and take my. Vice Mayor, Vice Mayor, I move to approve the reimbursement to the Straussburg volunteer fire department for the door replacement project in the amount of $15,680 utilizing the ARPA funds and fiscal year 2025 budget.

1071
01:30:22,190 --> 01:30:22,570
to

1072
01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:27,130
my council member Kimmins, any further discussion?

1073
01:30:28,930 --> 01:30:29,490
There are none.

1074
01:30:30,050 --> 01:30:32,770
Those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

1075
01:30:34,110 --> 01:30:34,710
Any opposition?

1076
01:30:36,170 --> 01:30:37,070
Motion passes.

1077
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:38,030
You may not be

1078
01:30:43,700 --> 01:30:45,460
afraid, so you don't have anything

1079
01:30:45,460 --> 01:30:47,260
under any of business.

1080
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,120
Departmental reports were,

1081
01:30:51,140 --> 01:30:52,640
some of them are looking for,

1082
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:55,400
not last week.

1083
01:30:56,220 --> 01:30:58,660
Are there any conditions for staff?

1084
01:31:04,700 --> 01:31:09,680
I will just add that I have met with the, or talk with the building inspector, so we're working

1085
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,800
on getting our permits for the rest room.

1086
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:13,460
So I hope that I'll take you on.

1087
01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:18,080
And did a site walk with our project manager for the parking that was on the rest of the

1088
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:18,200
time.

1089
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:19,800
I'm already a bell.

1090
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:20,700
Awesome.

1091
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:22,460
I can't tell you exactly how excited I am for that.

1092
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:23,560
Great.

1093
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,900
Just reiterate with what Ms. Melody spoke about earlier.

1094
01:31:27,140 --> 01:31:30,500
Don't forget, we have scarecrow control coming up, trick or treating, and then

1095
01:31:32,470 --> 01:31:37,630
better and safe. Is it going to be shared or email

1096
01:31:37,630 --> 01:31:41,030
said out about how we can help or things to sign up for

1097
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:45,010
or times that would help me.

1098
01:31:45,470 --> 01:31:48,310
Yeah, some follow up. I'll follow up in the email.

1099
01:31:50,330 --> 01:31:51,950
Thank you. Thank you.

1100
01:31:51,950 --> 01:31:53,910
Do you have any additional comments to report on?

1101
01:31:54,810 --> 01:31:55,410
Thanks for the.

1102
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:57,050
I might unless you have something for me.

1103
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:00,760
question this.

1104
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:04,050
Dr. Finance, any?

1105
01:32:04,510 --> 01:32:12,070
I just wanted to add that we are a certain back from Robinson from our context that you

1106
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:30,550
are auditing, but we also have to assert that the census data that we submitted for the

1107
01:32:31,490 --> 01:32:38,870
And then I didn't know if any y'all had any questions on what I sent out to me, but I can't actually look at the pictures.

1108
01:32:39,450 --> 01:32:46,590
We actually did, and I was just going to say thank you so much, because it goes to help a lot for everybody.

1109
01:32:47,130 --> 01:32:53,810
I thought I gave you a better view of really the little government kind of related to any way that it's our people.

1110
01:32:53,810 --> 01:32:57,850
and make the difference and that's shown in these charts.

1111
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:59,570
Yeah, thank you.

1112
01:32:59,690 --> 01:33:02,750
I did start reviewing those and they were very helpful.

1113
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:06,690
Any questions for the director please?

1114
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:10,070
Tell me in a minute or any comment.

1115
01:33:10,270 --> 01:33:11,370
Just to support.

1116
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:17,210
Continue to work with Mr. Helm on the Board Maori Extension property.

1117
01:33:18,290 --> 01:33:23,310
We would treat them emails today as well as the second water source

1118
01:33:23,310 --> 01:33:31,490
of our home issue, we're hopefully we're gaming ground, we're getting close to getting

1119
01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:37,610
the property as well as we're getting agreements on on the water source.

1120
01:33:38,450 --> 01:33:42,350
So we're continuing to work on those, I know some people don't hear as much about those.

1121
01:33:42,810 --> 01:33:48,490
It's slow slidness, they say, but we're getting close and hopefully for a long way to say,

1122
01:33:49,110 --> 01:34:00,150
That's gone. We're going to the next step and I know that the engineer, we're going to

1123
01:34:00,150 --> 01:34:06,030
want the 15 West King Street, has got a virtual meet and scheduled with the building

1124
01:34:06,030 --> 01:34:09,650
official. Just to go with some plan items, just there,

1125
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:14,270
not design something that the building

1126
01:34:14,270 --> 01:34:21,730
official office can prove, say. I know that schedule for next week. How are you feeling

1127
01:34:21,730 --> 01:34:29,650
about the timeline and the progress of that project so far? I think we're close to their schedule.

1128
01:34:30,010 --> 01:34:38,050
I know that I think I told you we were maybe a week or so behind, but we're going to see if we can

1129
01:34:38,050 --> 01:34:43,330
if you end that long process or week or two behind you've done a great job. But we had the beginning

1130
01:34:43,330 --> 01:34:50,390
And so we're going to be more diligent about, you know, if something's in our lives, let's

1131
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:55,650
do it and get it done and get back, I'd rather than be waiting, no, us waiting on them

1132
01:34:55,650 --> 01:34:57,530
not than waiting on us.

1133
01:34:57,930 --> 01:35:03,270
So, right now it's good, I think we're just through that point where when things get rolling,

1134
01:35:03,630 --> 01:35:06,570
you know, pick up more steam and be more efficient.

1135
01:35:09,550 --> 01:35:15,790
Attorney, any additional comments, items for us?

1136
01:35:16,150 --> 01:35:17,030
I don't think so.

1137
01:35:18,510 --> 01:35:21,630
Well, then I officially formed

1138
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:30,200
officially formed under my new business under Helmwall.

1139
01:35:32,020 --> 01:35:39,220
So that coming up, I guess, here a few moments, but I just wanted to let you know about that.

1140
01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:44,720
has Miller on a shanks officially as dissolved as a legal entity, just did it.

1141
01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:50,010
Sorry.

1142
01:35:50,010 --> 01:35:51,150
Carry on away with me.

1143
01:35:53,110 --> 01:35:53,270
So.

1144
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:54,490
Are you good?

1145
01:35:55,370 --> 01:35:57,690
So I'm afraid to look, you know, let me know if you have any questions.

1146
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:59,350
Other than my email, no, not just answers.

1147
01:36:01,430 --> 01:36:02,090
That's important.

1148
01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:02,930
Yes.

1149
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:04,810
Make sure to tag us in it.

1150
01:36:05,330 --> 01:36:08,300
I don't have the hashtag, but I don't have the hashtag either.

1151
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:10,360
Okay, I'll have to look for that.

1152
01:36:10,620 --> 01:36:11,000
Oh, yeah.

1153
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,660
I don't have the heart attack when I saw the agenda.

1154
01:36:14,060 --> 01:36:14,480
It was like, it was legal.

1155
01:36:15,340 --> 01:36:16,660
Yeah, it was pretty simple.

1156
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,340
It's just how I'm law of VA.com now.

1157
01:36:19,940 --> 01:36:20,080
So.

1158
01:36:21,780 --> 01:36:23,920
See reports, how some of them are becoming?

1159
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:25,160
Yes.

1160
01:36:26,020 --> 01:36:29,000
The commission met last month, September 19th.

1161
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:32,460
We received a presentation from the Port of Virginia.

1162
01:36:32,980 --> 01:36:37,600
Commission did approve and update to the electronic participation policy.

1163
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:42,280
just as I believe that we did the month for it to go.

1164
01:36:42,820 --> 01:36:50,860
The next meeting is this month, we'll be held in October 17th and it will be at Bill

1165
01:36:50,860 --> 01:36:58,120
Grow for the annual fall banquet and the invitation has been extended to all of y'all as

1166
01:37:02,100 --> 01:37:02,740
well.

1167
01:37:02,740 --> 01:37:04,200
on November, October.

1168
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:07,000
Okay.

1169
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:07,260
Thank you.

1170
01:37:07,580 --> 01:37:09,420
Any questions for council members?

1171
01:37:11,540 --> 01:37:13,460
Vice Mayor, can I have one thing over here?

1172
01:37:14,380 --> 01:37:14,860
California dinner.

1173
01:37:15,300 --> 01:37:15,920
October 23.

1174
01:37:16,460 --> 01:37:17,000
Box office.

1175
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:18,540
Well, six PM.

1176
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:20,080
Hope's everybody there.

1177
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:24,700
Do you need our RSVPs if we're bringing someone?

1178
01:37:25,660 --> 01:37:25,940
Okay.

1179
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:30,160
You're going to email whatever.

1180
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:35,140
I'll remind everybody, I'll remind everybody, say hey, love you know, I'll just come to you if you're coming in.

1181
01:37:35,140 --> 01:37:36,320
I need this thing to come in.

1182
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:36,740
I need this thing to come in.

1183
01:37:36,740 --> 01:37:40,620
It's my cut off, like I happened to know I was a teen second life box office now.

1184
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,460
So, her cut off the tent.

1185
01:37:44,440 --> 01:37:44,660
Yeah.

1186
01:37:45,940 --> 01:37:46,080
Okay.

1187
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,080
That's what our text is calling you guys.

1188
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:49,440
This is a few days to hang.

1189
01:37:52,140 --> 01:37:52,320
Yep.

1190
01:37:57,020 --> 01:37:57,580
Council member.

1191
01:37:58,520 --> 01:37:59,880
Council member comments.

1192
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:01,560
Does anyone?

1193
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:06,200
Any thoughts on members have any comments?

1194
01:38:06,900 --> 01:38:07,720
Talk, ma'am.

1195
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:09,360
All right.

1196
01:38:10,060 --> 01:38:11,140
We do have a closed meeting.

1197
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:12,660
Do I have a motion to enter?

1198
01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:15,520
Vice Mayor?

1199
01:38:15,740 --> 01:38:16,000
I'm a member.

1200
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:16,700
I'm a member.

1201
01:38:16,700 --> 01:38:19,000
I moved to the House of Representatives to close meeting

1202
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:20,460
for student to code Virginia.

1203
01:38:22,260 --> 01:38:27,760
2.2-3711A1 for discussion

1204
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:32,540
consideration or interviews of prospective candidates for employment, assignment, appointment,

1205
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:38,540
promotion, performance, demotion, salaries, disciplining, or resignation of specific public

1206
01:38:38,540 --> 01:38:43,860
officers, appointees, or employees of a public body, subject of the closed meeting and

1207
01:38:43,860 --> 01:38:47,800
to boards and commissions in the assignment of town attorney.

1208
01:38:48,460 --> 01:38:49,860
I have a second.

1209
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:50,080
Thanks.

1210
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:51,680
Look.

1211
01:38:53,940 --> 01:38:56,100
All in the favor of entering closed session,

1212
01:38:56,220 --> 01:38:57,440
signify by saying aye.

1213
01:38:58,120 --> 01:38:58,160
Aye.

1214
01:38:58,160 --> 01:38:58,800
The opposition.

1215
01:39:01,270 --> 01:39:02,150
You're in.

1216
01:39:02,270 --> 01:39:05,030
We have a meeting for those session after a three minute break.

1217
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:06,030
Ooh, thank you.

1218
01:39:06,290 --> 01:39:06,810
A little second.

1219
01:39:08,970 --> 01:39:09,250
Andrew.

1220
01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:13,090
Make sure we're ready to talk.

1221
01:39:15,850 --> 01:39:17,050
It's meant for us to.

1222
01:39:18,150 --> 01:39:18,350
It's not so.

1223
01:39:18,410 --> 01:39:18,990
It's so good I'm a too hard.

1224
01:39:20,990 --> 01:39:23,650
I don't think I can do that.

1225
01:39:23,650 --> 01:39:25,110
I don't think I can do that.

1226
01:39:27,010 --> 01:39:28,530
I don't think I can do it.

1227
01:39:28,530 --> 01:39:29,010
It's done.