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you can build awareness, if you can provide education, tools

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and training that will lead to action or all around

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sustainable cities. So that had been evergreen's theory of change.

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site itself. And. We worked with, again, a very collaborative

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process and brought in experts to help facilitate this with

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us. To really say, what is it that we're fundamentally

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trying to do? How will we create this living lab.

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How? Does that program. Embody the heritage and the brick

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making history of this site. And how do these themes

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then inform the nature of the design of the program

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that happens down there. As I mentioned, it took us

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eight years. A long time. Some people said, oh, I

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thought it was the best project that never happened. Because

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we were like, sits and starts and trying to get

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out of the starting gate and figuring things out. And

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so we started to do some community programming, and I

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think 2007, three years before, we hadn't even broken ground

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for construction yet. So that we did a farmers market,

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we did some pop up gardening and programs, and so.

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Will people come? But they also put us on. The

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map. And by putting us on the map, it was

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very strategic because it helped us to get legitimacy. With

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the public. It helped us to show donors that we

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were indeed a real thing. And to help open their

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purses. And both of those things helped to move forward.

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City approval. So, yes, the visitor programming was lovely and

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fun, and we learned from it, but it was strategic.

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moving. We kept trying to create. A big, complex site

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like yours, how do you create spaces of scale? And

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so we would bring in smaller containers, like inexpensive activations.

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That people could kind of find a front door. This

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flower was like a building tenant like kind of a

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playful gesture that sort of pops out of the site

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and you can see it as you're going by bathey

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and so on. We would try to mobilize champions. And

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create buzz. Prince Charles was coming. We pulled out all

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the stops. To. Have a whole conference and events and

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so on. That, again helped to move approvals. Along. We

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did light touch, and they still do this sort of

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work down there. We did light touch. Urban ecology and

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created some significant geological. Artistic installations that would raise awareness

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that this is indeed in a watershed. That's a watershed.

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Wall, that one picture there. And moving to bigger activities

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around local food systems and urban agriculture, again, very much

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in the realm of sustainable cities. You can see this

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building is, in fact, not dissimilar in some ways to

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yours just in that it's a large, hulking space. And

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our farmers market quickly became the largest local farmers market

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in Toronto, and it's contributed millions of dollars to the

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local food economy. And so smaller activities to larger ones.

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Green City camps really working with the space heritage interpretation,

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leaving a lot of the machinery in situ, creating ways

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of representing the worker stories. It cost a lot of

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money to fix the brick press there, but even the

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interactions around kind of the worker stories. And experiences. They

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don't need to be. Hugely expensive, and they do create

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a real tone in terms of what matters. Who's been

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there before us. Why does this site resonate for Toronto?

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Just different ways of trying to open those conversations and

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then larger scale events as well. There's been many TEd

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talks down there. This is something called singularity. Uconnse. That

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was hosted a large scale exhibit. So we moved into

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bigger events as well as capacity and opportunity arose. So

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those are just some of the ways that we activated

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the site from a community perspective, ways that reflected. What

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was there? And also ways that drove the business plan,

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which I'll speak about in a sec. In terms of

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planning and approvals. It was really helpful for us to

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think about the site as a campus. I didn't really

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appreciate that until, well, in oopsie, many years into. The

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site's development that there are different kind of nodes across

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the site. There's different buildings. And each of those kind

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of plays a different purpose. There are many phases over

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time as the need and as the opportunity align. And

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so we didn't have to do it all at once.

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of designers. We received proposals. From. International firms. And that

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was unflattering. But we ended up going with. A really

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bona fide team of experts from Toronto and again, that

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spoke the values of what we were trying to accomplish.

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a very collaborative process. And so we hired an architect

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who had that kind of disposition. We could work with

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25 sub consultants and so on. A lot of community

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engagement in the design and allowing the design to be

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iterative. And echoing back, what is it about this site

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that's important to you? What is it? About relevant? What

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is it about the qualities and the characteristics of this

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space that you don't? Want to be lost through the

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design process. It's nice to do. It builds more ownership,

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it builds more voices. And I know even with the

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flood they had this summer, there was, like a groundswell

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of support for people to go down and help the

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brickworks because it has become such a beloved institution in

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the city. So, again, these are kind of nice to

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do. Things. But there's a bigger picture as well in

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terms of creating champions and advocates, so just moving from

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the green. Sorry, the community work to the green design.

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It is a lead platinum site. We employed all sorts

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of strategies. This was the second phase of development that

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we did about a $25 million redevelopment of the large

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building there. That's a 53,000 square foot former kiln building.

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or rather redevelopment. And so. I included this film because

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this slide, because it shows some of. The scale again,

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which you have, like, a large kind of tunnel like

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shape. And how we broke that shape into different kind

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of zones of action of activity for different programmatic functions

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and uses. And how the green design you can see

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a geothermal field was as part of that. So looking

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at the site and the building. In its entirety. What

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do you do with this big kind of shell of

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a space? And then what are some of the strategies

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that we will employ to get our zero carbon. So

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this building. Has a geothermal they're about to put the

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solar panels on at long last. Passing and heating cooling.

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lot of modeling, to say. What's it going to take

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to get. To a carbon zero carbon. And so putting

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these strategies in service of hitting particular carbon reduction targets.

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All of this modeling again, bringing in a good team.

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But we got funds from the green, municipal funds from

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the. Federation of Canadian Municipalities. Which is something that maybe

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would be something you want to tap into. I mentioned

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quickly our business plan. We had to make the site

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financially self sustaining. There was no government grants. We were

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a nontraditional developer. We were not building houses. As often

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as the case with these projects. You do the heritage

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stuff and then you build the towers around it to

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be the business model to support the heritage. Preservation and

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program work. Again because of the floodplain did not have.

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business model within the site itself. And so some of

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the things that we did there, one is. A garden

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shop, which kind of breaks even. And not a money

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maker. Real estate. By creating in that one picture there,

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that's the new building. That's the lead. Platinum building. In

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the footprint of an old building, there's three stories of

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new office space. And then rental space for events. And

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that event space really was the big financial driver for

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the site. Movie shoots, conferences. Weddings. All of those kinds

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of things. That really provide. Collectively provide the revenue that.

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Allowed Evergreen to provide the programs. I won't belabor how

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we raise the money. It's a huge chapter unto itself,

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but I will just say we needed innovator. Funders who

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were not afraid of kind of an untested developer. In

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a complex site. And so we found some funders who

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are willing to get behind the idea because they were

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inspired by what was possible. And then we also were

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able to get some sizable public investments. We got $10

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million from the Ontario. The government that came through the

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Ontario Heritage Trust. Kind of out of the gates. And

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by getting some of those early public investments that helped

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to derisk private contributions that. Came in the fullness of

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time. And just a few lessons learned. And I appreciate

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I'm going through this quickly. But is this idea of

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engaging communities early and often and to not just engage.

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Communities, but listening and following through. When we started the

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project, there were a lot of people who didn't like

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we represented change, And I think through our process of

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engagement, we really showed that, no, we're actually really. Interested

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in what ideas have come forward here and responding and

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showing that. We were changing our plans, evolving, adapting in

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response to what we were hearing, and again, That's more

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than a nice thing to do, is ultimately it's quite

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strategic. Focusing on the big picture. They haven't even finished

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the site. It'll be years before they quote unquote. Finish

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it. But you got to keep the big picture in

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mind, the vision. But you also can only take it

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one step at a time. And so creating milestones and

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celebrating successes along the way. Were the only ways that

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we could kind of feel like we were actually moving

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along, because probably if people had said to Evergreen in

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2002, do you know this is going to be a

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$55 million project and take eight years, we would as

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adult. Thank you very much. But. We don't have that

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staying power, so. You get in, and then you got

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to keep going. And asking for help. One of the

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things evergreen did really well was. We had a sense

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of our strength and weaknesses. But who could complement us?

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of people. Volunteered their time or they were happy to

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help in different ways just because they knew it was

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a project that resonated, that it was an important project

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for our city, and so we were very good at

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kind of saying, hey, we don't actually know anybody who

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can do economic modeling. Does anybody know who do economic

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modeling? And so on and so forth. So just building

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the team like that. This idea of revealing the site

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over time and really respecting the heritage and the ecology

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and not fighting it. We really learned how to work

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with what was there, as opposed to being far more

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interventionist. And this idea of being rigorous and that numbers

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matter. Tripling your time expectations. We kept saying, we'll be

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meant eight months. Like, eight years. So you got to

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be ready that it's going to be a long haul

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and that your budget is going to do all sorts

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of scary things. And we had devalion engineer, and I

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asked maybe like $85 million. Tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak.

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Where the demand was coming from in terms of what

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felt like the right move once the sort of the

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core stabilization. What are the kinds of interventions that we

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can do beyond that are going to support the business

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plan and the program. So those are some of the

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ways. And we were scrappy, like we didn't say. No,

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a lot of it was like, how might we do

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this? How might we do this? How? Do we get

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kind of tenacious. Attitude. We probably would have been in

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it for a few years and said, sorry, I can't.

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Do it. It's too big. So just that spirit of

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optimism and Emily. Should I wrap there? Should I go?

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brickwork experience. And I just thought. Given that I'm doing

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a PhD in this area, that was all very practical

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stuff. From. I worked at Evergreen from 20 years and

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all very practical stuff. This is. Now stepping back to

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the ph. D. Work. And this quote really resonates. Because.

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and who for and all that sort of stuff is

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that it's really helpful to think of these as their

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generative domain. They're not just contested, but their spaces, their

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publicly useful space. Where we can think about our implications

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in a complex past and a yet undetermined present. Future

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part of me. A lot of these projects and the

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ones I'm looking at are coming from bigger cities. The

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high line in New York, the Tayton modern, the batter

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seeds redevelopment in London. Projects where old industrial properties have

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been redeveloped with millions of dollars and often what they're

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doing as part of these cultural regeneration strategies is they're

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contributing to tremendous gentrification. And that doesn't necessarily serve most

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people. A couple of sites. Guttermoon Wereworth in Toronto, the

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cold drop yards in London. UK, which are two sites

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I'm doing my PhD on. These are examples of where

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in these big cities. Oopsie. In these big cities. Sorry.

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My finger moves. You can see. The cranes both around

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the distillery and around cold drop yards. They're surrounded by

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cranes as the kind of the economic model and. The

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demand for housing. And. Are really being enabled because of

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the heritage development and again, lots of benefits, but not

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always. A benefit in service to communities. Because of the

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unaffordability. A couple of projects that may be a bit

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more relevant for Stratford because they are coming out. Of

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smaller communities. One is this base, 31 out of Prince

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Edward county and an old military area. Where they're starting

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with huge community activations and an arts program ultimately to

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create. A major housing development. It's just outside of Picton

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and I think. Picton's? Population is about 30,000 as well.

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Math mocha in north adams, massachusetts. A huge old factory

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that played many purposes over the last century but transformed

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into. A large art center. About 2 hours out of.

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Boston. So. Different models exist outside of the large cities

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as well for redeveloping these properties. And I guess I'll

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leave it at that for now, if you will. Thank

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you, Shauna. Is there any questions from members of the

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city? Mark, thanks very much. That was great. Evergreen. Evergreen

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Brickworks is a really big part of Toronto now, so

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that's great testament to what you've done. I'm going back

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to the practical a bit. $55 million budget. That was

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all the building components of what you had to do.

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55 million was the first phase, and the building was

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about 40 million. And of that you said you got

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10 million from the government. Yeah, we got 10 million.

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From the province. Initially, we got 20 million from the

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federal government and. We raised over 20 million from. Private.

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Individuals and corporate. Okay, and. That sort of gets you

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to the numbers that you need to do, and you're

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required. To sort of break even on what you're doing,

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because whatever you put in there has to sort of

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be able to survive. And was there a lot of

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infrastructure that you had to put up other than the

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building part? Of it in terms of roads, environmental, all

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that kind of stuff. Well, yes. One of the reasons

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why 40 of the 55, because there's a lot of

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studies. I don't know how much extra we had to

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spend on environmental assessments, archaeology assessments, heritage. Many, many studies,

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Evergreen footed the bill for anything that was on the

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industrial pad. That's what? We had a head lease with

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the city and the conservation authority for the industrial pad.

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The city of Toronto helped with things off the industrial

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pad. So new. Stacking lanes of a Bayview for safe

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entry, new traffic lights, but. By and large, evergreen. Carried.

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95% of what had to be done on the site.

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With the city supporting things. The city has since done

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a lot of work, for example, with the ravine system

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and trying to create better pathways and trail connections and

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so on. So we had a lease that was about

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400 pages. Okay, thanks. Which is not recommended. Any other

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questions for members? Ron. Again, thank you for your presentation.

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I find it fascinating. Could you talk a little bit

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more about partnerships? How you found partners, how you defined

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a partner. If there was a buy in in terms

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of finances or. Trades or whatever. I'm quite interested in

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finding out what that might look like. Yeah. Because partner

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is a big catch, all right? Yeah, I would say

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the way I define partners. Our program partners or community

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partners, and I'll talk about that in a sec. And

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then some of them morphed into also business partners. So

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the programmatic partner. So when I showed you Jamie Kennedy

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kitchens in the gardener Museum, the Y and outward bound

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at the beginning. They all started as people who were,

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who were at the beginning were willing to lend their

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names. Lend their logos, if you will, and their time

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to helping us think through the project. And they brought

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program energy on their own dime, down sometimes to do

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various kinds of activations. And events. Because.

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They had some skin in the game, but Evergreen really

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had. Was carrying it. Right. But they were able to

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kind of bring some of their equity and their brand

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recognition and their capital to come and support what was

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happening down there. We did not for that work have

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agreements. Anything papered. Where we would start to paper things

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would be when it would become more of. A lease

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relationship. And so we had a restaurant tour. Who was

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in the space he left recently, but for many years,

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and he was a partner because he very much represented

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the sort of the slow food principles. And so on.

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But he paid rent. He got a percentage of. The

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catering work and all that kind of stuff. In creating

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those kinds of, and kind of evolving from a partner

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relationship, which is the program and the community stuff. It's

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high impact, but it's low risk. To. The more the

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legal contract work, which you still like to think there's

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still partners because they're still invested in the vision, but.

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They're putting money on the table. As are we. Again,

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there's still part and but a different scale of partnership.

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We didn't have. A merger. There wasn't, like, that level

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of partnership where you're actually really entwined they were more

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sort of people who supported the vision and were participating

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in different ways. Thank you. Sorry. With various levels of

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risk and money involved. You need to cut your microphone.

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Come up to there, Karen. Thank you. Following up. With

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the people sitting at home. Following up on that. As

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a partnership? That's a good question. Like, who went out

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and said, gee, would you? Like to be a partner.

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Because. The partnership committee doesn't have the legal entity to

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say, sign here. So we're looking at where do we

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go? To get these partners. And how far into the

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legalities do we go when we meet them? So I'd

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be interested to hear a little bit more about that.

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Yeah. And I realized I didn't. Fully answer. How did

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you find them? We went out because we went out

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to people who. Once we had the vision again, like

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this living center for sustainability. It's like, well, it's very

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much a site about city building and clay gardener ceramics

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museum. We want to have a strong food component because

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that's such a part of sustainable cities. We went out

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looking for partners who could complement the vision and the

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program that we wanted to offer, and we didn't have

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the expertise to do. So that was us seeking. That

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was us saying, we need people who can, we need

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organizations who can bring stuff we can't, right? And then

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as. We got more momentum. We got approached more by

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people saying, hey, can I do this or do that.

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I guess maybe because to be a little rogue. At

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the beginning. If their light touch kind of activations, and

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you're just trying to work with people. To create a

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vision. I don't think you need to get overly papered.

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Right, and. Legal. As I say, when it would matter

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would be. When they would be, for example, taking space.

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Right. Sometimes there's a program partnership that's like you're going

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to do. An event together. And it's not about the

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buildings, per se, but it's an event. You could still

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have an agreement that outlines rules and responsibilities. And again,

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these things, you have to have a ton of trust.

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In doing these things, they would matter, for example, more

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again, when money is involved. So we did an event

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with slow food Toronto for many years, it became a

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big picnic at the brickworks. We did it for about

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three or four years with slow food Toronto. And we

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got to the point where we're like, oh, my goodness,

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we need to actually paper this up because you're putting

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money down. We're putting money down. Who's going to get

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the profits? Who's going? To get bear the risk of

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it doesn't make money, right? That's how we kind of

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found our way through. Just a quick question. Just maybe

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I miss it. I think you said that the site

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is owned. By the conservation authority and managed by the

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city of Toronto, but. Just, like, structurally. When you say

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we, I assume you mean evergreen. Are you your own

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nonprofit entity or. Is all of this developed or was

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all this developed by the city? So this conservation authority

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owns the land because it's the valley lands, and that's.

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Part of the. Conservation act of Ontario. So that's kind

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of in the provincial. Policy legislation. The city and the

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conservation authority have, like, this 99 year agreement where the

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city manages the land. That the conservation authority owns within

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its borders. Evergreen came along as a third party developer

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so that's why we didn't own the land. We had

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a headlease to raise the money and operate a part

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of the land, so. Evergreen is a nonprofit charitable organization.

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Wholly independent of the government agency. Do you have an

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arrangement with the city? That's my. 400 page lease, okay?

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That lease allowed us to kind of do the construction.

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And get to opening. And it was a 21 year

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less a day lease because if it's over 21 years.

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It triggers something in the appropriation act. And because the

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site had already been expropriated. The government didn't want to

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go there, obviously, and nor should they have. So it

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was again. All the footwork that happens to make these

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things happen. It was 21 years less a day. It's

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the fine print. Any other questions from members of the

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committee? Hi.

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I was kind of interested. This thing is possessed. The

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activation you did as the site was beginning. To come

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to life. And you also noted that there's some physical

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similarities in the actual space between what you have in

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the grand trunk site. I'm just wondering if you have

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any advice or suggestions or ideas that we can think

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about as we look. To activate that site temporarily. Whether

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it's types of uses, frequency of uses, seasonality, Different audiences,

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different people, because we've got a fairly substantial space. And

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we have time. So. Any advice you have would be

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grately accepted. Yeah. And Emily, we started to talk about

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that and be glad to talk about that more. From

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now. If you are going to engage community partners to

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help do it, as opposed to this group doing the

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activations, I assume, right? I think one of the. And

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maybe you do a solicitation process, or maybe you tap

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a group on the shoulder because they're doing work on

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history. And. That wonderful banner that's already there. Maybe you

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want to work with groups however you select. Them. I

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would just say, I guess a couple of things. One

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is make it easy for them to get involved. Don't

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do it. I mean, I'm somewhat facetiously here, but don't.

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Do a 400 page lease. Make it easy for groups

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to get involved. Because a lot of groups, they just

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don't have the capacity. To. I think the city of

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Toronto has gotten much better at doing partnership agreements because

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of groups like Evergreen, having to kind of break the

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mold. Eight years and $1 million are pro bono legal.

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And if we didn't have the pro bono legal. So

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a light touch activation should have a light touch. Support

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mechanism. And sometimes it gets to with groups like they

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don't have insurance. Because they don't have general liability insurance.

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Will the city be willing to kind of hold that

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for people? Is it a two page agreement, not a

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25 page agreement? For light touch activations make it easy

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for people to participate because they're going to. Bring their

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networks, their brand and their equity that's going to ultimately

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serve the project. So I would just try to think

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about. How to remove barriers that make it easy, and

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then in terms of what you want to do, I

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think those are really creative and fun conversations. Thanks. I

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saw the hand in the back. But any other members

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of the committee? For steering. Working group chairs or staff

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members. We don't normally open it up to the floor,

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but if you want to. Sure. I found it all

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very fascinating. I'm just dropped first. I actually grew up

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in the water there, and I was in multiple different

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cities, but I just wanted to say I was. Wondering,

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is it wise to incorporate a few of the larger

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partners first and really work on that? Development with the

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offices. To start getting flip traffic to the area and

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movement towards the area and into the area, into. The

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grand trunk. Throw it. Is that a good. Point. My

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sense is that you have to be working on both

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levels. Right, because the little activations are nice for, like,

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doors open. And a movie knife, but it doesn't move

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the needle. And so I think at the same time,

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the city needs to be working with the YMCA and

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maybe the library, maybe Waterloo, right, to try to land

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some of those, because. Those define the project materially. So

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00:31:18,216 --> 00:31:20,216
it's a bottom up top down thing that you're constantly

474
00:31:20,216 --> 00:31:24,748
toggling. Between. Yeah. Create some of those new projects. And

475
00:31:24,748 --> 00:31:26,868
the big idea is they land that they give the

476
00:31:26,868 --> 00:31:30,388
future. In terms of the viability and will attract the

477
00:31:30,388 --> 00:31:36,783
larger infrastructure dollars. Right. It's more of an art than

478
00:31:36,783 --> 00:31:42,042
a science as well. Thank you so much. Emily? Yeah,

479
00:31:42,042 --> 00:31:44,202
I just wanted to make one comment or two comments.

480
00:31:44,202 --> 00:31:46,522
I guess I just really want to thank you, Shauna,

481
00:31:46,522 --> 00:31:48,562
for coming to share this presentation with us today. I

482
00:31:48,562 --> 00:31:50,402
know Sean and I spent some time together this afternoon

483
00:31:50,402 --> 00:31:52,922
and chatted last week in advance of today and one

484
00:31:52,922 --> 00:31:55,442
thing that you said, shauna, that really resonated with me.

485
00:31:56,611 --> 00:32:00,489
Was this idea that. We sometimes think this stuff is

486
00:32:00,489 --> 00:32:03,209
going to be linear. And I think when you were

487
00:32:03,209 --> 00:32:05,129
talking about this. Sometimes when you present this stuff back,

488
00:32:05,129 --> 00:32:06,769
it feels, Jonathan said like, yes. And people are like,

489
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:09,569
oh, you took this step, this step, this step. And

490
00:32:09,569 --> 00:32:11,969
not to take your thunder, did we talk? About kind

491
00:32:11,969 --> 00:32:15,569
of how you responded to that. It's like linear versus

492
00:32:15,569 --> 00:32:18,703
how it actually felt. Yeah, I forgot to put in

493
00:32:18,703 --> 00:32:23,590
that slide. So. Yes, it does. With the beauty of

494
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:26,270
hindsight. And then we did this, and then we. Did

495
00:32:26,270 --> 00:32:28,390
that. And then this is. And it looks like it

496
00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:33,509
was hugely intentional. Most days it felt like a snowstorm,

497
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:37,124
right. And. So when I was showing the slides show

498
00:32:37,124 --> 00:32:39,724
with a community group or something like this slideshow. Earlier

499
00:32:39,724 --> 00:32:42,364
this spring, community group that wants to do a campaign

500
00:32:42,364 --> 00:32:45,084
of their own. I said I showed like this ball

501
00:32:45,084 --> 00:32:51,214
of yarn. I said, most of the time it felt

502
00:32:51,214 --> 00:32:55,660
like this. It did not feel linear, right. And it

503
00:32:55,660 --> 00:33:00,799
did not feel like. We did not know. What we

504
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:06,867
did not know. That comes back to. Creating that culture,

505
00:33:06,867 --> 00:33:09,987
an organizational culture or committee structure. However you're going to

506
00:33:09,987 --> 00:33:12,467
work this to say. Okay, well, how do we adapt

507
00:33:12,467 --> 00:33:14,227
to that new, how do we adapt to that information?

508
00:33:16,202 --> 00:33:18,282
A fellow who was on our committee, a good friend

509
00:33:18,282 --> 00:33:20,082
of Melanie, he would say. It's. Like you're throwing balls

510
00:33:20,082 --> 00:33:22,122
up in the air. You just come throw balls in,

511
00:33:22,122 --> 00:33:24,762
you drop. One art, grab another one, throw it up.

512
00:33:24,762 --> 00:33:27,922
And so a lot of, especially in the formative stages

513
00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:30,442
when you're trying to see, like, what can this building

514
00:33:30,442 --> 00:33:36,641
hold? Like one of the reasons why our cough. Construction

515
00:33:36,641 --> 00:33:38,041
were so because we wanted to do it all. And

516
00:33:38,041 --> 00:33:40,481
then while we can't afford that. Scale. Scale, scale readap.

517
00:33:40,232 --> 00:33:44,882
Readapot approvals. We had no idea the levels of approvals,

518
00:33:44,882 --> 00:33:48,876
et cetera, et cetera. But this culture that's like, okay,

519
00:33:48,876 --> 00:33:50,836
how might we do this? What do we learn from

520
00:33:50,836 --> 00:33:53,785
that. What are we going to let go of? How

521
00:33:53,785 --> 00:33:59,345
do we keep building more supporters than naysayers? And one

522
00:33:59,345 --> 00:34:01,345
of the ways you do that is also by showing

523
00:34:01,345 --> 00:34:06,213
that you're pivoting. Yes, we had master plans, and, yes,

524
00:34:06,213 --> 00:34:08,413
we had project plans, and they helped to kind of

525
00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:13,186
create a sense of direction. And kind of milestones, but

526
00:34:13,186 --> 00:34:19,413
how that gets done? Is not linear. Thank you very

527
00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:23,733
much, Shauna. I think that wraps up our questions on

528
00:34:23,733 --> 00:34:29,289
behalf of the committee. And the city of a resident.

529
00:34:29,289 --> 00:34:31,569
Thank you so much. Gift of our appreciation for coming

530
00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:39,206
today. Okay. Thank you.

531
00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:49,354
Item six is business arising from previous minutes. Item six,

532
00:34:49,354 --> 00:34:53,834
one is the indigenous engagement consultation strategy, Kevin. And Una

533
00:34:53,834 --> 00:34:56,194
are here to provide us an update on their work

534
00:34:56,194 --> 00:34:57,914
and what we can expect in the coming weeks, so

535
00:34:57,914 --> 00:35:01,630
I think unal invite you forward. Poor Kevin is not

536
00:35:01,630 --> 00:35:05,190
here today unexpectedly. So Una is taking up the mantle

537
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:15,030
on her own today. Thank you. Chair. I just want

538
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:19,443
to give you sort of an update. From the overview

539
00:35:19,443 --> 00:35:23,852
that we presented at the last meeting. We've kind of

540
00:35:23,852 --> 00:35:26,132
drilled down into the different steps that we need to

541
00:35:26,132 --> 00:35:29,785
take, and we're moving forward with those steps. With a

542
00:35:29,785 --> 00:35:35,380
view to creating a consultation plan with indigenous people. So.

543
00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:38,803
We're calling this? Well, it's obviously a pre consultation phase,

544
00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:41,803
so we're. Calling this relationship building phase, if you like.

545
00:35:43,435 --> 00:35:47,675
And as you heard in the land acknowledgment, Stratford is

546
00:35:47,675 --> 00:35:52,441
land that. Is really, I guess, referred to by many

547
00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:55,601
different First nations. So the first step for us is

548
00:35:55,601 --> 00:35:59,841
identifying those various nations to be able to even identify

549
00:35:59,841 --> 00:36:06,241
those indigenous organizations and stakeholders, including knowledge keepers. Elders, youth

550
00:36:06,241 --> 00:36:11,189
treaty organizations, urban indigenous. Communities to ensure that we have

551
00:36:11,189 --> 00:36:15,229
a comprehensive representation. We've done some sort of preliminary work.

552
00:36:16,975 --> 00:36:19,535
With the city of Guelph, just in terms of trying

553
00:36:19,535 --> 00:36:24,238
to get some information. But also trying to help us

554
00:36:24,238 --> 00:36:29,122
understand what this process. Involves and being able to ensure

555
00:36:29,122 --> 00:36:33,802
that we have representation of all of the folks that

556
00:36:33,802 --> 00:36:37,122
identify as having moved through this land is paramount to

557
00:36:37,122 --> 00:36:42,411
us, and so we're hoping to compile. A comprehensive list

558
00:36:42,411 --> 00:36:48,157
of indigenous interestholders. Secondly, we're looking at. The land acknowledgment

559
00:36:48,157 --> 00:36:50,877
itself. So once we've identified the interest, then. We can

560
00:36:50,877 --> 00:36:53,437
be able to go back to the land. Acknowledgment and

561
00:36:53,437 --> 00:37:01,517
actually identify those nations. And to have workshops. With project

562
00:37:01,517 --> 00:37:05,917
teams on this committee, but also with planning department in

563
00:37:05,917 --> 00:37:11,863
terms of those indigenous protocols. As we know, different nations

564
00:37:11,863 --> 00:37:16,628
have obviously. Different, maybe competing interests, if you'd like, but

565
00:37:16,628 --> 00:37:20,148
various ways of culture. So how do all of them

566
00:37:20,148 --> 00:37:24,364
get represented. And then thirdly, it's the initial outreach, so

567
00:37:24,364 --> 00:37:28,884
that would be working with the committee. To send formal

568
00:37:28,884 --> 00:37:35,164
communication to indigenous governments and organizations. Outlining the project's scope

569
00:37:35,164 --> 00:37:38,604
and its objectives and their right to participate in the

570
00:37:38,604 --> 00:37:43,360
consultative process and to ensure that communication. Is clear and

571
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,280
how their input will influence decision making. And so that

572
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,560
will involve, obviously, drafting and sending formal limitations with the

573
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,276
follow up plan. For continuous engagements, and then we hope

574
00:37:54,276 --> 00:37:58,396
to be able to identify what that sort of consultative

575
00:37:58,396 --> 00:38:02,556
phase plan actually looks like, and so we'll be giving

576
00:38:02,556 --> 00:38:11,323
you updates periodically. Any questions for Una? Yes. Add one

577
00:38:11,323 --> 00:38:13,723
thing, because Kevin couldn't be here today. So really, the

578
00:38:13,723 --> 00:38:16,123
intention of what? Una's described is kind of these immediate

579
00:38:16,123 --> 00:38:18,643
next actions the team is going to be taking as

580
00:38:18,643 --> 00:38:23,785
they prepare. A plan for you. Review. So the intention

581
00:38:23,785 --> 00:38:26,625
is for the team to come back to this committee.

582
00:38:26,625 --> 00:38:29,625
In October to share with you a draft plan. But

583
00:38:29,625 --> 00:38:32,385
the steps that una's outlined here. Are really the things

584
00:38:32,385 --> 00:38:35,548
that need to. Inform a draft plan. So what she's

585
00:38:35,548 --> 00:38:38,748
described today are these things that are underway, right? Now

586
00:38:38,748 --> 00:38:41,388
and are going to inform a draft plan that will

587
00:38:41,388 --> 00:38:44,068
come to you for your consideration. So. That we just

588
00:38:44,068 --> 00:38:46,588
wanted to be sure that everyone understood coming out of

589
00:38:46,588 --> 00:38:49,028
last month that the things are happening right now. They're

590
00:38:49,028 --> 00:38:54,117
underway, but the plan itself. You won't see for another

591
00:38:54,117 --> 00:38:57,722
month until we meet again. Thank you very much, Una.

592
00:38:57,722 --> 00:39:07,086
There's no questions. It's actually a question of. For this

593
00:39:07,086 --> 00:39:12,878
committee to consider. I think I have a small understanding

594
00:39:12,878 --> 00:39:19,977
of how deep and complex indigenous cultures are. And there

595
00:39:19,977 --> 00:39:24,578
are a variety of them. As I understand it. They're

596
00:39:24,578 --> 00:39:28,218
not always indigenous. Communities are not always in agreement with

597
00:39:28,218 --> 00:39:35,930
each other. A variety of issues. And. I appreciate what

598
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:38,650
it is we're trying to do. We're trying to develop

599
00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:46,073
protocols. But I note in the last minute, That there

600
00:39:46,073 --> 00:39:50,713
is a wish to try to incorporate indigenous perspectives and

601
00:39:50,713 --> 00:39:56,463
design and space use. This may be hugely over simplistic.

602
00:39:59,531 --> 00:40:03,250
But I put it out there for consideration. Has any

603
00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:07,431
thought been given to simply dedicating a space. For the

604
00:40:07,431 --> 00:40:11,791
exclusive use of indigenous communities so that they can present

605
00:40:11,791 --> 00:40:16,831
their own message or messages at their discretion rather than

606
00:40:16,831 --> 00:40:22,009
us. Trying to determine, through Develop protocols, what it is

607
00:40:22,009 --> 00:40:25,489
they're trying to say. Just give them an opportunity to

608
00:40:25,489 --> 00:40:28,889
say it. One of the preliminary discussions that we had

609
00:40:28,889 --> 00:40:35,201
with the casuenta two row, now group. Was myself and

610
00:40:35,201 --> 00:40:38,982
Ray. I can't remember his surname. But we had spoken

611
00:40:38,982 --> 00:40:40,662
with them and they had come up with a number

612
00:40:40,662 --> 00:40:47,604
of ideas. Thinking about the space, thinking about. How their

613
00:40:47,604 --> 00:40:51,900
culture could be represented in such a space. There were

614
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:56,098
ideas. From their perspective, and that involved some aspect of

615
00:40:56,098 --> 00:40:58,098
what a friendship center might look like and what that

616
00:40:58,098 --> 00:41:02,574
might entail. But that's one organization that we're working with.

617
00:41:02,574 --> 00:41:05,694
But there are also other organizations. As well. So it's

618
00:41:05,694 --> 00:41:09,499
like, how does everybody have a voice? What are the

619
00:41:09,499 --> 00:41:11,619
people that need to come to the table in terms

620
00:41:11,619 --> 00:41:14,539
of those that have interest? In Stratford as well as

621
00:41:14,539 --> 00:41:18,538
this organization. Follow up question, Mr. Sheriff, shouldn't we let

622
00:41:18,538 --> 00:41:24,085
them determine. Which groups should be represented rather than us

623
00:41:24,085 --> 00:41:28,285
trying to determine that? Absolutely. But shouldn't all the groups

624
00:41:28,285 --> 00:41:34,352
also understand that this is happening. I agree with that.

625
00:41:34,352 --> 00:41:39,615
Yeah. That Stratford encompasses their land. We have a duty

626
00:41:39,615 --> 00:41:44,964
to inform. Anything further for Una. Thanks so much. Appreciate

627
00:41:44,964 --> 00:41:48,964
it. Thank you. Item 62 is with regard to the

628
00:41:48,964 --> 00:41:52,404
draft 2025 budget for the grant Trump renewal project, and

629
00:41:52,404 --> 00:41:55,644
Joan Thompson, the CEO, has taken some of the feedback

630
00:41:55,644 --> 00:41:57,524
given at the last meeting and has an update with

631
00:41:57,524 --> 00:42:02,692
regard to that. Joan over. To you. Thank you very

632
00:42:02,692 --> 00:42:05,732
much. Through you, Mr. Chair. So we did hear the

633
00:42:05,732 --> 00:42:09,492
concerns about the draft budget that was presented at the

634
00:42:09,492 --> 00:42:15,344
last meeting. In response to this, we have incorporated the

635
00:42:15,344 --> 00:42:19,224
GTR work plan for the budget into the overall budget

636
00:42:19,224 --> 00:42:23,064
of my office and broaden the description of the various

637
00:42:23,064 --> 00:42:26,304
items. So there is still going to be an envelope

638
00:42:26,304 --> 00:42:30,386
of funds available. That will be presented to Councillor. There

639
00:42:30,386 --> 00:42:36,421
were questions about that allocation. In particular for the installation

640
00:42:36,421 --> 00:42:39,341
and servicing of the roads, as well as the design

641
00:42:39,341 --> 00:42:44,716
work related to that. So this revised budget document provides

642
00:42:44,716 --> 00:42:48,156
a high level overview of the grand truck work plan.

643
00:42:48,156 --> 00:42:50,796
Those work plans have already been presented to you. They've

644
00:42:50,796 --> 00:42:54,881
been presented to Councillor and. The budget relates to a

645
00:42:54,881 --> 00:42:57,481
Q three and the Q four work plan that the

646
00:42:57,481 --> 00:43:03,364
committee recently prepared. And endorsed. The budget document indicates that

647
00:43:03,364 --> 00:43:05,804
the funds from the Grand Trunk reserve will be used

648
00:43:05,804 --> 00:43:08,004
in accordance with. The approved work plan and at the

649
00:43:08,004 --> 00:43:11,404
discretion of Councillor. So ultimately, it is still Councillor that

650
00:43:11,404 --> 00:43:15,084
makes. The decisions as to the various items when they're

651
00:43:15,084 --> 00:43:19,608
ready to move forward. This means that with Councillor direction

652
00:43:19,608 --> 00:43:22,728
funds, because it's an envelope of funds can be allocated.

653
00:43:22,728 --> 00:43:25,528
From the reserve fund to support the work plan as

654
00:43:25,528 --> 00:43:30,079
needed. Also want to address questions about the capacity and

655
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:34,079
the staffing that were raised at the meeting. So again,

656
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,079
funds from the Grand Trunk reserve will also be allocated

657
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:41,239
to invest Stratford, which is our partner agency to support

658
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,359
staffing for this project. So as part of the invest

659
00:43:44,359 --> 00:43:47,916
Stratford budget that comes forward to counci. Council for council's

660
00:43:47,916 --> 00:43:51,891
approval. There is a sum of money included in that

661
00:43:51,891 --> 00:43:55,931
to expand the staffing capacity to support this. New project.

662
00:43:57,656 --> 00:44:00,376
This is again subject to approval from invest, Stratford Board

663
00:44:00,376 --> 00:44:04,569
and Councillor approval through the budget process. And if there's

664
00:44:04,569 --> 00:44:10,561
any questions. Any questions for Joan? Thank you very much

665
00:44:10,561 --> 00:44:14,841
for the update. Item 63 is the grand trunk activation

666
00:44:14,841 --> 00:44:17,081
animation update, and I'm going to turn it over to

667
00:44:17,081 --> 00:44:19,641
Tim and Emily to give us some background with regard.

668
00:44:19,641 --> 00:44:26,023
To it. So through the chair, I had a quick

669
00:44:26,023 --> 00:44:31,648
presentation. Until tonight. Shauna Andrews. And my presentation was on

670
00:44:31,648 --> 00:44:34,128
a lot longer, so some great points came. Out and

671
00:44:34,128 --> 00:44:37,250
things that we are already looking at. Last meeting. I

672
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:40,469
know it was brought up about animation. There's interest in

673
00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:43,269
the community to see something going on in there. The

674
00:44:43,269 --> 00:44:47,389
mayor. Mayor Ritzma Emily Robson and my community services team

675
00:44:47,389 --> 00:44:50,882
already had a meeting. That week to discuss that very

676
00:44:50,882 --> 00:44:54,923
item. So we are discussing. Looking at what processes we

677
00:44:54,923 --> 00:44:56,883
have to do to get this going. What's some of

678
00:44:56,883 --> 00:44:59,323
the hurdles that we have to get over. There's some,

679
00:44:59,323 --> 00:45:04,589
obviously looking at permits occupancy. Rate and other items. Just

680
00:45:04,589 --> 00:45:07,789
looking at site remediation. What can we use? Maybe there's

681
00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:10,629
parts of the site that we stay away from. There's

682
00:45:10,629 --> 00:45:11,949
also sites where you say, you know what we have

683
00:45:11,949 --> 00:45:16,396
fence it off, utilize those areas. So the community services

684
00:45:16,396 --> 00:45:19,396
team, I should just bring up that. So manager Darcy

685
00:45:19,396 --> 00:45:25,076
Drummen, manager of recreation marketing. Jeff Auden, our supervisor, recreation.

686
00:45:25,076 --> 00:45:26,956
And then we have two other coordinators. We have our

687
00:45:26,956 --> 00:45:33,596
event. Coordinator Kirsten Ridell. And our. Heather Denny as well

688
00:45:33,596 --> 00:45:37,700
is in there. As well as. Getting all these names

689
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:41,364
in here, so. Lana Bose, who is our sports cultural

690
00:45:41,364 --> 00:45:45,084
sponsorship coordinator. So the plan is to meet this week.

691
00:45:45,084 --> 00:45:47,244
We are going to go back on the site, start

692
00:45:47,244 --> 00:45:50,884
generating ideas as to what can go in there. I

693
00:45:50,884 --> 00:45:53,484
think we have a municipal cultural plan. We have as

694
00:45:53,484 --> 00:45:57,004
a documentation on what we can also incorporate within this

695
00:45:57,004 --> 00:46:00,967
site on activation animation. And then come back to the

696
00:46:00,967 --> 00:46:03,087
team and to come up with a process on how

697
00:46:03,087 --> 00:46:06,807
do we contact and get this applications in or if

698
00:46:06,807 --> 00:46:10,487
people have a request to do animation. What's the process.

699
00:46:10,487 --> 00:46:15,727
So that's where coming out of Shauna's presentation, And through

700
00:46:15,727 --> 00:46:17,687
Andrew's questions. Pull up. These are the things we're looking

701
00:46:17,687 --> 00:46:19,447
at. Is how do we make it easy? We don't

702
00:46:19,447 --> 00:46:22,287
want a 20 page document that people are just going

703
00:46:22,287 --> 00:46:24,567
to turn away and not want to do it. So

704
00:46:24,567 --> 00:46:28,415
making it easy, get groups involved. Insurance will definitely be

705
00:46:28,415 --> 00:46:31,575
part of the process, whether we look at city issued

706
00:46:31,575 --> 00:46:33,615
insurance that we can do or the group does it

707
00:46:33,615 --> 00:46:37,039
on their own. Have, like I said, an easy agreement

708
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:40,127
to remove those barriers. And I think one thing that

709
00:46:40,127 --> 00:46:42,727
I did talk to my team about is we don't.

710
00:46:42,727 --> 00:46:45,407
Have to be the thought process on what goes in

711
00:46:45,407 --> 00:46:48,647
there. The community has lots of ideas and once. We

712
00:46:48,647 --> 00:46:51,367
just make a process on. This is how you contact

713
00:46:51,367 --> 00:46:55,087
us. This is how we get these initiatives moving forward,

714
00:46:55,087 --> 00:46:56,927
the rest will fall in place. So that's where we're

715
00:46:56,927 --> 00:47:04,105
at. Any questions, I'd be happy to answer. Ron. Thank

716
00:47:04,105 --> 00:47:05,785
you. Just a quick question. Do you have a sense

717
00:47:05,785 --> 00:47:10,583
of a timeline on when activations such as? A low

718
00:47:10,583 --> 00:47:14,463
level of activation might happen. Or could happen, looking at

719
00:47:14,463 --> 00:47:16,983
our own plans, but I'm. Now trying to merge it

720
00:47:16,983 --> 00:47:19,943
with what you're saying through the chair. I think part

721
00:47:19,943 --> 00:47:23,961
of that would be. We question whether a winter activation

722
00:47:23,961 --> 00:47:26,681
would be something that maybe we're not sure that's? Going

723
00:47:26,681 --> 00:47:28,761
to be in there, but ideally, we would like to

724
00:47:28,761 --> 00:47:31,632
get this moving quick. The talks out there. The interest

725
00:47:31,632 --> 00:47:34,712
is out there. So I think once we get the

726
00:47:34,712 --> 00:47:36,992
stop out, on site, see what's going on there, we

727
00:47:36,992 --> 00:47:39,032
can start moving forward. And some of those low hanging

728
00:47:39,032 --> 00:47:41,672
fruit that we can maybe do quick, easy wins. To

729
00:47:41,672 --> 00:47:43,392
get that in, we would like to do sooner than

730
00:47:43,392 --> 00:47:46,813
later, so. I would hope in my world, the fall

731
00:47:46,813 --> 00:47:49,733
would be great. To get something out there, I would

732
00:47:49,733 --> 00:47:51,813
agree. I know that there are several arts groups that

733
00:47:51,813 --> 00:47:54,813
are very interested in doing something on the site again,

734
00:47:54,813 --> 00:47:59,233
low level and. It would be a good beginning. Thank

735
00:47:59,233 --> 00:48:06,309
you. So along with Tim's team and community services, The

736
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:08,589
part of this endeavor that I've picked up and I'm

737
00:48:08,589 --> 00:48:13,391
working on in partnership with in destinations dratford. And Stratford

738
00:48:13,391 --> 00:48:16,631
Summer Music is actually figuring out what would a footprint

739
00:48:16,631 --> 00:48:19,191
in that building look like? So. The kinds of things

740
00:48:19,191 --> 00:48:21,551
we're talking about is like, okay, if we use this

741
00:48:21,551 --> 00:48:24,071
kind of footprint here. What are the actual safety measures

742
00:48:24,071 --> 00:48:25,911
that need to be in place? So what we're working

743
00:48:25,911 --> 00:48:29,231
at right now is like, okay, we've got engineered fencing,

744
00:48:29,231 --> 00:48:31,751
and it's in this footprint. What needs to change? Like

745
00:48:31,751 --> 00:48:35,083
there's some holes and. Stuff like pits in that area.

746
00:48:35,083 --> 00:48:37,523
Those need to be filled up, and we're really lucky.

747
00:48:37,523 --> 00:48:41,123
To have partners in both those organizations who have brought

748
00:48:41,123 --> 00:48:45,864
some real expertise. So, for example, We're meeting. With expert

749
00:48:45,864 --> 00:48:49,064
in health and safety who has worked on many projects

750
00:48:49,064 --> 00:48:52,624
repurposing. She worked on one to repurpose an industrial site

751
00:48:52,624 --> 00:48:57,184
that was unoccupied as a performance. Venue. So what we're

752
00:48:57,184 --> 00:49:01,247
working on right now is what is. The parameters for

753
00:49:01,247 --> 00:49:03,767
an event in this space and working out, like, what

754
00:49:03,767 --> 00:49:07,583
does it actually cost to. Put those things in place

755
00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:11,239
and then. What kind of activity does that permit? So

756
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,377
that's really active right now. We're expecting recommendations from. Her

757
00:49:15,377 --> 00:49:18,697
name is Janet Celery on the health and safety measures,

758
00:49:18,697 --> 00:49:21,817
and we're working up what an actual design looks like.

759
00:49:23,235 --> 00:49:26,875
In the building for the space. I mean, the great

760
00:49:26,875 --> 00:49:29,835
news is it's huge. So you can get a lot

761
00:49:29,835 --> 00:49:33,355
of occupancy only using a very small portion of the

762
00:49:33,355 --> 00:49:35,835
site. So that really limits the types of, like, we

763
00:49:35,835 --> 00:49:39,755
don't have to fill every empty elevator. Shaft. We can

764
00:49:39,755 --> 00:49:43,497
just deal with the space that's within the footprint. That

765
00:49:43,497 --> 00:49:47,663
we've identified. So I'm really, really pleased to have. The

766
00:49:47,663 --> 00:49:51,463
partnership from both those organizations in TIm's director Wolf team

767
00:49:51,463 --> 00:49:54,703
working on it. So it's a really exciting moment. There's

768
00:49:54,703 --> 00:49:57,263
lots of great momentum, and as we've said before, lots

769
00:49:57,263 --> 00:50:00,423
of real interest in the community to use that space

770
00:50:00,423 --> 00:50:03,183
and to just emphasize what Shauna said about part of

771
00:50:03,183 --> 00:50:06,558
the reason this work is important is because. We need

772
00:50:06,558 --> 00:50:09,958
it to be easy and accessible for community organizations to

773
00:50:09,958 --> 00:50:14,159
use that space and not expect. A lot of heavy

774
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,399
lifting on their part to be able to mitigate the

775
00:50:16,399 --> 00:50:21,198
risks on the site. Thanks. Very much.

776
00:50:26,426 --> 00:50:28,746
Next item is six. Four discussion points came from the

777
00:50:28,746 --> 00:50:31,746
real estate legal and finance working group and I do

778
00:50:31,746 --> 00:50:34,106
know that Joan and Taylor have got them and are

779
00:50:34,106 --> 00:50:38,075
prepared to walk through if that's okay, Frank. Should I

780
00:50:38,075 --> 00:50:40,755
serve the commentary? Mr. Chair, if you'd like to give

781
00:50:40,755 --> 00:50:44,051
an overview. First off, I'll start by saying thank you

782
00:50:44,051 --> 00:50:46,251
very much and my apologies that I was unable to

783
00:50:46,251 --> 00:50:48,611
attend the August 29 meeting. So thank you very much

784
00:50:48,611 --> 00:50:52,171
for allowing this report to come. Forward to this September

785
00:50:52,171 --> 00:50:57,113
meeting. Our group met in August. And, of course, from

786
00:50:57,113 --> 00:50:59,833
the committee would be Paul and Mark. So thank you

787
00:50:59,833 --> 00:51:04,236
for their input as well. As well as a good

788
00:51:04,236 --> 00:51:09,525
group of skilled individuals. With good business acumen to be

789
00:51:09,525 --> 00:51:16,225
that review type component. As this progresses. So, first off,

790
00:51:16,225 --> 00:51:18,265
I'll also say thank you to Joan for a great

791
00:51:18,265 --> 00:51:21,865
presentation on August. 29. I enjoyed watching it after the

792
00:51:21,865 --> 00:51:24,025
fact and your budget update today. Thank you for that.

793
00:51:24,025 --> 00:51:26,996
As well. It actually addressed one of the four questions

794
00:51:26,996 --> 00:51:29,436
that we're in already, so I'm sure you did that

795
00:51:29,436 --> 00:51:31,196
intentionally so that I wouldn't have to ask the question

796
00:51:31,196 --> 00:51:34,508
now, but. Thank you. One of the things that is

797
00:51:34,508 --> 00:51:38,068
interesting with the way that this organization is set up

798
00:51:38,068 --> 00:51:41,428
is that we've got these silos of working groups, but

799
00:51:41,428 --> 00:51:44,708
as you know, there's so. Much crossover between these working

800
00:51:44,708 --> 00:51:49,762
groups that. Those chair meetings are very important. And the

801
00:51:49,762 --> 00:51:53,733
intersection of development. And finance are where you're going to

802
00:51:53,733 --> 00:51:55,813
find some of these questions and Steve Cooper and I

803
00:51:55,813 --> 00:51:58,858
have met to talk about them as well. But maybe

804
00:51:58,858 --> 00:52:01,898
I'll just stop there. Should I pose the questions, Mr.

805
00:52:01,898 --> 00:52:03,978
Chair? I think they have them so we can walk

806
00:52:03,978 --> 00:52:06,858
them through. Thank you very much, Joan Taylor, which everyone

807
00:52:06,858 --> 00:52:10,223
would like. To take the lead. So if I understand

808
00:52:10,223 --> 00:52:12,543
that the first question has to do with the environmental

809
00:52:12,543 --> 00:52:17,863
consideration, So the short answer to the questions is yes

810
00:52:17,863 --> 00:52:20,543
and yes because we are getting yes as we heard

811
00:52:20,543 --> 00:52:24,703
with Sean. But there is more to the simple answers

812
00:52:24,703 --> 00:52:27,183
of yes, yes, and yes. So if Taylor, if you

813
00:52:27,183 --> 00:52:32,738
wanted to start with the environment. Sure. Absolutely. So we've

814
00:52:32,738 --> 00:52:34,618
had a decent amount of experience over the last few

815
00:52:34,618 --> 00:52:38,618
years looking to environal mental radiation for the existing building

816
00:52:38,618 --> 00:52:41,138
block, which has given us some insight what to expect.

817
00:52:41,138 --> 00:52:45,703
As we proceed. With the rest of the site. In

818
00:52:45,703 --> 00:52:52,169
reality. How we proceed with remediation depends on various factors,

819
00:52:52,169 --> 00:52:57,155
including. What is the interest from the development community? They

820
00:52:57,155 --> 00:53:00,568
helped guide or dictate. What kind of condition they're looking

821
00:53:00,568 --> 00:53:02,048
for to have a landon if they're going. To build

822
00:53:02,048 --> 00:53:07,033
upon it, right? So some developers. Are more apt to

823
00:53:07,033 --> 00:53:13,398
risk and would consider taking on remedial activities themselves. However,

824
00:53:13,398 --> 00:53:16,598
some due to insurance or liability requirements, what have you

825
00:53:16,598 --> 00:53:19,998
that are finance agencies are less prone to risk and

826
00:53:19,998 --> 00:53:24,598
rather see the municipality take on the environmental remediation initiatives.

827
00:53:26,337 --> 00:53:29,937
The city is fully able to proceed with such environmental

828
00:53:29,937 --> 00:53:34,686
remediation. There is some funds available. If Councillor decides to

829
00:53:34,686 --> 00:53:40,413
proceed in certain areas. To take on. Environmental assessment work

830
00:53:40,413 --> 00:53:45,566
that is required. It also depends on which section of

831
00:53:45,566 --> 00:53:48,006
the site or building that is being looked at there's.

832
00:53:48,006 --> 00:53:52,406
Various levels of contamination that exists on the overall site.

833
00:53:54,095 --> 00:53:59,640
And so. That would guide. How also we could. Proceed.

834
00:54:00,786 --> 00:54:04,064
To be development ready. That's kind of it in a

835
00:54:04,064 --> 00:54:09,459
nutshell. If there's any specific questions. Mr. Chairman, it seems

836
00:54:09,459 --> 00:54:16,096
to me. We keep going around the mulberry bush. I

837
00:54:16,096 --> 00:54:20,976
believe that. Not using euphemisms. So environmental considerations, let's call

838
00:54:20,976 --> 00:54:27,007
it. What? It is. Talking about polluted or contaminated areas.

839
00:54:28,776 --> 00:54:34,137
And it seems to be a common theme. Across a

840
00:54:34,137 --> 00:54:38,694
number of working groups. I'm looking at page 21. The

841
00:54:38,694 --> 00:54:43,254
agenda ad hoc or the infrastructure and environmental working group?

842
00:54:46,113 --> 00:54:50,313
Second action item is prepare a report outlining environmental issues.

843
00:54:52,201 --> 00:54:55,169
On the next page and page 22. It says a

844
00:54:55,169 --> 00:54:59,689
concern is the discovery that only a partial site record

845
00:54:59,689 --> 00:55:03,649
of site report with required remedial actions has been undertaken.

846
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:10,264
So we really don't know. I think. Where the polluted

847
00:55:10,264 --> 00:55:13,504
or contaminated areas are. We don't know the extent of

848
00:55:13,504 --> 00:55:18,983
it by reading this correctly. Sure. No. So the site

849
00:55:18,983 --> 00:55:21,943
has had environmental investigations over decades, so there is a

850
00:55:21,943 --> 00:55:27,173
lot of information. About where and what pollutants exist. The

851
00:55:27,173 --> 00:55:30,613
question then becomes which parcels being looking to develop because

852
00:55:30,613 --> 00:55:33,053
there's various levels of contamination. So some parts of the

853
00:55:33,053 --> 00:55:35,133
site, there's very little and very little needed to be

854
00:55:35,133 --> 00:55:38,013
done. To remediate the site. Other sections of site have

855
00:55:38,013 --> 00:55:44,507
a lot more significant pollutants. Which require further remediation. Do

856
00:55:44,507 --> 00:55:54,485
we have, Mr. Chairman? A complete. Investigation report. Of

857
00:55:54,485 --> 00:56:00,344
all of the polluted or contaminated areas. The extent of

858
00:56:00,344 --> 00:56:05,306
it. What it is. Yes, we do know. We don't.

859
00:56:06,908 --> 00:56:09,428
Through the chair. Like I said, there's been extensive studies

860
00:56:09,428 --> 00:56:11,548
for the years, so we have. A fairly good idea

861
00:56:11,548 --> 00:56:17,976
of what pollutants are where. Through the entire site. Fairly

862
00:56:17,976 --> 00:56:22,884
good idea. There's dozens of boreholes that have had been

863
00:56:22,884 --> 00:56:28,894
investigated. And each identify specific levels of contamination that exist

864
00:56:28,894 --> 00:56:32,613
within the site itself. So depending on the site, it

865
00:56:32,613 --> 00:56:34,653
depends the type of container that exists. So we have

866
00:56:34,653 --> 00:56:37,253
a good understanding of the historical use of a site

867
00:56:37,253 --> 00:56:42,038
and based on history we know, quite likely. The source

868
00:56:42,038 --> 00:56:44,318
of the contaminants because our boreholes are saying this is

869
00:56:44,318 --> 00:56:46,998
the type of contaminant. And then it confirms historically that

870
00:56:46,998 --> 00:56:49,318
was the function of use in that area. So that

871
00:56:49,318 --> 00:56:53,078
will guide which kind of remediation proceeds, because each type

872
00:56:53,078 --> 00:56:57,184
of contaminant will have a different response required. To make

873
00:56:57,184 --> 00:57:01,031
it clean for the intended use. I'm not trying to

874
00:57:01,031 --> 00:57:06,094
be difficult. I'm really not. Trying to understand. Again through

875
00:57:06,094 --> 00:57:15,347
the chair. So. Is there a master plan showing.

876
00:57:16,550 --> 00:57:21,008
What areas are contaminated with what? The extent of it.

877
00:57:21,008 --> 00:57:24,168
And the second question, I suppose, would be what would

878
00:57:24,168 --> 00:57:27,568
be the cost of remediation. Because what I'm getting back

879
00:57:27,568 --> 00:57:33,390
to. Is. The use to which. A certain area can

880
00:57:33,390 --> 00:57:38,330
be put. Is often determined by the extent of the

881
00:57:38,330 --> 00:57:42,122
contamination. Could I just piggyback on that? Has an entire

882
00:57:42,122 --> 00:57:51,131
phase two study been done on the entire site. I

883
00:57:51,131 --> 00:57:53,211
believe there's been a phase two done for the entire

884
00:57:53,211 --> 00:57:55,371
site, but it would probably be outdated at this point

885
00:57:55,371 --> 00:57:57,731
because it's been years since the entire site has been

886
00:57:57,731 --> 00:57:59,931
investigated. The focus in the last few years has been

887
00:57:59,931 --> 00:58:04,376
predominantly on the Cooper building itself. As that's the focus.

888
00:58:05,604 --> 00:58:12,284
For future development now. Picking back to the other. Questions

889
00:58:12,284 --> 00:58:14,724
in terms of what's been investigated for the site, so.

890
00:58:16,629 --> 00:58:18,509
If you look at the recent record of site condition

891
00:58:18,509 --> 00:58:23,569
for the Cooper Building, Did an extensive historical assessment of

892
00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:25,929
what has been investigated. So it shows a map of

893
00:58:25,929 --> 00:58:28,689
all the boreholes that have been investigating the site, and

894
00:58:28,689 --> 00:58:36,540
it's quite extensive. It helps guide. Where their investigation moves

895
00:58:36,540 --> 00:58:40,140
forward. So, yes, there has been investigation for the entire

896
00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:47,008
site. In the last few years where environmental assessments. Has

897
00:58:47,008 --> 00:58:50,088
more been developed, has been on the Cooper building itself,

898
00:58:50,088 --> 00:58:53,528
and that's where more investigation and more analysis been done

899
00:58:53,528 --> 00:58:56,568
so that future development can occur on that section of

900
00:58:56,568 --> 00:59:00,088
site. Mr. Chairman may I? Go ahead. Follow up. Thank

901
00:59:00,088 --> 00:59:04,969
you. I'm out of my depth here. In terms of

902
00:59:04,969 --> 00:59:09,089
the science, but seems to me logically the first thing

903
00:59:09,089 --> 00:59:14,732
we need to do is get. A complete examination of

904
00:59:14,732 --> 00:59:19,801
all of the areas. And an updated report, not just.

905
00:59:21,279 --> 00:59:25,990
The building itself, but all of the areas. Find out

906
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:30,421
if. It's contaminated. B with what? And see what the

907
00:59:30,421 --> 00:59:34,301
cost of remediation. And then if it goes to market.

908
00:59:35,861 --> 00:59:38,741
We can say this area is clean or this area.

909
00:59:40,242 --> 00:59:45,242
Is contaminated with this substance. And our understanding of cost

910
00:59:45,242 --> 00:59:50,320
remediation is x number of dollars. Are you not interested?

911
01:00:08,624 --> 01:00:10,184
I'll make this really quick. I think this is an

912
01:00:10,184 --> 01:00:13,304
issue that keeps coming back and I think both for

913
01:00:13,304 --> 01:00:15,024
the committee and for staff. I think it would be

914
01:00:15,024 --> 01:00:17,824
very useful if somebody could come before the committee and

915
01:00:17,824 --> 01:00:22,304
explain the step by step process of brownfield development, including

916
01:00:22,304 --> 01:00:26,424
risk. Assessment, risk mitigation, risk sharing, all of this stuff

917
01:00:26,424 --> 01:00:29,944
so that we all have a unified. Understanding of how

918
01:00:29,944 --> 01:00:33,224
the process works, both from the staff perspective and the

919
01:00:33,224 --> 01:00:37,024
regulatory perspective from the developer's perspective, because this site is

920
01:00:37,024 --> 01:00:40,024
going to get developed in this contaminated soil on it

921
01:00:40,024 --> 01:00:42,744
and I think instead of having 15 different perspectives on

922
01:00:42,744 --> 01:00:45,064
how this work, because it all is subject to the

923
01:00:45,064 --> 01:00:49,344
same regulatory approvals and the same development process. And there's

924
01:00:49,344 --> 01:00:53,184
lots of precedents in Ontario of where brownfield development has

925
01:00:53,184 --> 01:00:55,624
happened on contaminated soil. It's been remediated in all sorts

926
01:00:55,624 --> 01:00:57,744
of different uses been built on. It be nice if

927
01:00:57,744 --> 01:01:00,744
we could find a project like that we could review

928
01:01:00,744 --> 01:01:04,199
and just so everybody. Could understand how it works. And

929
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:11,097
maybe have. People's concerns eased about how the process works,

930
01:01:11,097 --> 01:01:13,577
who pays for it? What are the different financial models

931
01:01:13,577 --> 01:01:15,737
for it and the different risk sharing models for it,

932
01:01:15,737 --> 01:01:17,697
because I can see there's. A lot of hang ups

933
01:01:17,697 --> 01:01:21,817
on this, and I think we should probably strive to

934
01:01:21,817 --> 01:01:25,174
get past it so that. We can keep going, but

935
01:01:25,174 --> 01:01:27,534
clearly this is one that's captured a lot of people's.

936
01:01:27,534 --> 01:01:31,934
Imagination, so there's lots of precedents around. I'm sure that's

937
01:01:31,934 --> 01:01:35,562
something we can manage. That's a suggestion. Three aims to

938
01:01:35,562 --> 01:01:42,660
share. So hear what you're saying. So my advice, Mr.

939
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:47,332
Chair, is for this committee to make. A motion directing

940
01:01:47,332 --> 01:01:50,252
staff to go and seek the expertise that they're looking

941
01:01:50,252 --> 01:01:54,906
for. And go through that process. So I think the

942
01:01:54,906 --> 01:02:00,120
motion would be that we ask staff to investigate. Presentation

943
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,720
with regard to the risk mitigation and the addressing of

944
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,000
environmental concerns and the inventory of those concerns on the

945
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,200
site and to help us develop a strategy to move

946
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:16,287
forward is that acceptable. All. You move it. Second. Mark

947
01:02:16,287 --> 01:02:19,980
discussion on that. So I think that would be as

948
01:02:19,980 --> 01:02:24,970
easy as getting golder, who did the reporting. To whoever

949
01:02:24,970 --> 01:02:27,090
was head of golder at the time of doing the

950
01:02:27,090 --> 01:02:29,170
reports to come in and do the presentation and a

951
01:02:29,170 --> 01:02:32,610
summary of what's been investigated and what's yet to be

952
01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:39,439
investigated. Thank you. Thompson. All those in favor of the

953
01:02:39,439 --> 01:02:47,018
question? Thank you. Taylor back to you.

954
01:02:49,295 --> 01:02:54,191
Is there further questions? That are being asked of me

955
01:02:54,191 --> 01:02:56,151
at this time. Sorry. Is there anything else, Frank? Thank

956
01:02:56,151 --> 01:03:00,591
you, Mr. Chair. It was a question in regards to.

957
01:03:02,501 --> 01:03:06,760
The intersection again of development and finance. We are looking

958
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:13,394
at. Models that. Will be potential uses such that we

959
01:03:13,394 --> 01:03:17,674
can defray some costs. And we're specifically talking about residential

960
01:03:17,674 --> 01:03:26,101
and. When our intersection happens. Is the parking something that

961
01:03:26,101 --> 01:03:32,388
staff Councillor will consider? For not only our environmental stewardship

962
01:03:32,388 --> 01:03:37,605
but also reduction of vehicular dependency. Are we moving forward

963
01:03:37,605 --> 01:03:45,566
with reduced parking requirements for residential development? That's ultimately. Question.

964
01:03:46,968 --> 01:03:53,909
Thank you. So again, at the last meeting, we had

965
01:03:53,909 --> 01:03:56,869
the presentation from the director of building and planning, who

966
01:03:56,869 --> 01:04:00,948
talked about community benefits as well as parking. So just

967
01:04:00,948 --> 01:04:05,059
to reiterate again, the answer is yes. The city would

968
01:04:05,059 --> 01:04:09,379
certainly be supportive of reducing the parking requirements, particularly if

969
01:04:09,379 --> 01:04:13,419
structured or underground parking facilities on site or off site

970
01:04:13,419 --> 01:04:17,539
in the downtown core were constructed to absorb the demand

971
01:04:17,539 --> 01:04:21,003
on the site. This would help maximize land use and

972
01:04:21,003 --> 01:04:26,403
support sustainable development goals. Currently, parking reductions are considered on

973
01:04:26,403 --> 01:04:30,603
a case by case basis and would ultimately require council's

974
01:04:30,603 --> 01:04:35,963
approval with key considerations, including the community benefits offered, proximity

975
01:04:35,963 --> 01:04:39,659
to transit, and as we already know, The transit hobby

976
01:04:39,659 --> 01:04:42,899
is already on site, so we are well connected. The

977
01:04:42,899 --> 01:04:47,339
overall environmental stewardship and the long term impact on downtown

978
01:04:47,339 --> 01:04:56,968
parking availability. Yes, we would consider it. So I take

979
01:04:56,968 --> 01:04:59,408
it from that comment that this would be a site

980
01:04:59,408 --> 01:05:08,129
specific consideration. Ms Thompson. Or are you indicating that? This

981
01:05:08,129 --> 01:05:15,085
would be a citywide type change. I think. It's both.

982
01:05:15,085 --> 01:05:18,885
Because you can't take a look at the parking requirements

983
01:05:18,885 --> 01:05:22,485
on site. If we wanted to reduce the parking on

984
01:05:22,485 --> 01:05:26,245
site because we've got existing transit and we're wanting to

985
01:05:26,245 --> 01:05:30,045
expand on the transit hub concepts that we also have

986
01:05:30,045 --> 01:05:32,165
to take a look. At. If we're reducing the parking

987
01:05:32,165 --> 01:05:35,128
there, where can we make up some of that? Parking

988
01:05:35,128 --> 01:05:38,221
if it's needed. So we have to look at the

989
01:05:38,221 --> 01:05:41,501
other existing municipal parking lots and the impact you have

990
01:05:41,501 --> 01:05:43,781
to look at the parking system that we have as

991
01:05:43,781 --> 01:05:47,061
a system, and it's not individual law. Because you make

992
01:05:47,061 --> 01:05:50,621
some decisions on one, it may have an impact on

993
01:05:50,621 --> 01:05:54,461
other. Parking lots, parking system. And the last thing we

994
01:05:54,461 --> 01:05:58,562
want is to drive overflow par. Parking onto the residential

995
01:05:58,562 --> 01:06:02,552
streets. So we are looking at the whole system. But

996
01:06:02,552 --> 01:06:07,037
definitely. It will be specific. To what is needed on

997
01:06:07,037 --> 01:06:09,717
the grand trunk that will be driven by the uses

998
01:06:09,717 --> 01:06:15,182
there and the capacity on site. Any other questions, follow

999
01:06:15,182 --> 01:06:21,631
up, if I may. Sure. Thank you. On the bonusing

1000
01:06:21,631 --> 01:06:23,951
and community benefits side. If I could dive into that

1001
01:06:23,951 --> 01:06:26,311
for just a second. Because it does make a significant

1002
01:06:26,311 --> 01:06:30,551
difference on the viability from a financial perspective, whether this

1003
01:06:30,551 --> 01:06:34,911
project is even feasible or not. And it's kind of

1004
01:06:34,911 --> 01:06:40,752
from a 30,000ft perspective. There's some apprehension from some of

1005
01:06:40,752 --> 01:06:46,941
the and. You probably. Obviously. Can't respond on behalf of

1006
01:06:46,941 --> 01:06:50,061
Councillor, but there has been some apprehension in the past.

1007
01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:55,460
To approve buildings of a higher number of stories. Let's

1008
01:06:55,460 --> 01:07:00,009
just say it that way. I cannot see that this

1009
01:07:00,009 --> 01:07:02,129
will be a viable project if we don't get the

1010
01:07:02,129 --> 01:07:06,925
higher. Number of stories, quite frankly, and. I don't know,

1011
01:07:06,925 --> 01:07:09,045
ultimately, what the question I would be asking. It's more

1012
01:07:09,045 --> 01:07:13,649
a question, I guess. Of what's council's flavor? For engaging

1013
01:07:13,649 --> 01:07:22,909
in something like that. Sorry. Maybe, Mr. Chair, I'll start.

1014
01:07:22,909 --> 01:07:27,029
So again, in talking about community benefits again, our director

1015
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:29,669
of building and planning. The last meeting did talk and

1016
01:07:29,669 --> 01:07:33,229
do a presentation with respect to community benefits. How the

1017
01:07:33,229 --> 01:07:36,909
existing community benefits that are already in place for this

1018
01:07:36,909 --> 01:07:41,061
site. But looking at the future. So again, the city

1019
01:07:41,061 --> 01:07:44,621
is prepared to allow for community benefits as listed. Under

1020
01:07:44,621 --> 01:07:49,071
the existing official plan document, so it's already there. This

1021
01:07:49,071 --> 01:07:53,871
would need to include community benefit agreements or development agreement

1022
01:07:53,871 --> 01:07:59,151
as potential tools to secure the desired benefits. So as

1023
01:07:59,151 --> 01:08:01,471
part of that, the city is also open to expanding

1024
01:08:01,471 --> 01:08:07,393
these provisions to incentivize developers to maximize the property. However,

1025
01:08:07,393 --> 01:08:11,433
any final decisions on these matters rest with Councillor. While

1026
01:08:11,433 --> 01:08:15,753
the timeline as we understand it, for formalizing the development

1027
01:08:15,753 --> 01:08:20,525
vision extends to the end of 2025. If a financially

1028
01:08:20,525 --> 01:08:25,085
strong development meets the majority of the city's objectives. Councillor

1029
01:08:25,085 --> 01:08:31,113
in the city. May want to initiate discussions earlier. So,

1030
01:08:31,113 --> 01:08:34,473
again, that's a long answer, but it is yes. We

1031
01:08:34,473 --> 01:08:39,264
know that community benefits. And looking at the density and

1032
01:08:39,264 --> 01:08:44,370
the height over there is a discussion point. We have

1033
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:49,170
been having some preliminary discussions overall with city Councillor with

1034
01:08:49,170 --> 01:08:53,753
respect to. Number of stories and heights across the community.

1035
01:08:55,197 --> 01:08:58,517
You've seen some developments come forward that are starting to

1036
01:08:58,517 --> 01:09:03,538
identify that we need to intensify. Especially when it's on

1037
01:09:03,538 --> 01:09:08,560
infill. I believe his worship. Yeah. And I'll echo most

1038
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,320
of what Joan, Ms. Thompson has to say. I know

1039
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:19,335
in council's visionary process early on, There was an absolute

1040
01:09:19,335 --> 01:09:24,735
understanding and support of both higher density and higher heights

1041
01:09:24,735 --> 01:09:30,568
with regards to the grand trunk site. In order to.

1042
01:09:31,480 --> 01:09:37,648
Be. Encouraged developers to be on site and therefore. Enhance.

1043
01:09:39,342 --> 01:09:43,462
The tax base from that work to support the public

1044
01:09:43,462 --> 01:09:48,986
spaces. Is it unanimous? No, but I would think that.

1045
01:09:51,476 --> 01:09:54,876
There's certainly an overall majority that would say on Councillor.

1046
01:09:54,876 --> 01:09:58,836
Yes, we understand. Higher density, higher. Heights on that location.

1047
01:10:00,222 --> 01:10:07,316
Thank you. Anything further. Is there anything Joan or Kaylee

1048
01:10:07,316 --> 01:10:11,524
wanted to be on that? Thank you very much. Item

1049
01:10:11,524 --> 01:10:15,618
seven. We'll go to report the working group. Staff of

1050
01:10:15,618 --> 01:10:18,378
base. Item seven one is partnership. Herb and Karen, do

1051
01:10:18,378 --> 01:10:23,247
you have any one? Partnership. Working group updates, training. We

1052
01:10:23,247 --> 01:10:25,647
did present one, but I don't see it in here.

1053
01:10:29,005 --> 01:10:32,625
So. Come on up to the microphone.

1054
01:10:50,274 --> 01:10:56,406
This report is for information only. Overview of previous month

1055
01:10:56,406 --> 01:11:00,246
and activities planned. On September the 15th, John Cassner Karen

1056
01:11:00,246 --> 01:11:04,846
Haslam visited the Rotary Club presentation. On October 17, John

1057
01:11:04,846 --> 01:11:08,566
Castner, Herb Classon will visit the Lions club. October the

1058
01:11:08,566 --> 01:11:13,646
21st, John Classen, Karen haslam and Herb Classon will visit

1059
01:11:13,646 --> 01:11:15,878
the Kawanis. Club. So we're doing a lot of service

1060
01:11:15,878 --> 01:11:18,518
clubs. They are starting up in September, and that's where

1061
01:11:18,518 --> 01:11:22,838
we are. October, visit and presentation to the Kinsman club.

1062
01:11:22,838 --> 01:11:25,158
That date is still waiting for them to get back

1063
01:11:25,158 --> 01:11:28,718
to me with a positive. Ron Dodson is part of

1064
01:11:28,718 --> 01:11:31,238
our working group, and he is working with the Perth

1065
01:11:31,238 --> 01:11:34,598
county players and the arts groups to see if partnership.

1066
01:11:35,264 --> 01:11:38,784
Can be established with the YMCA. Overview of coming months

1067
01:11:38,784 --> 01:11:40,984
the working group will continue to visit with the clubs

1068
01:11:40,984 --> 01:11:43,504
in Stratford area to see if they would like to

1069
01:11:43,504 --> 01:11:48,054
use the community space at the Gtr. That's where. We

1070
01:11:48,054 --> 01:11:50,734
are in the process right now. Thank you very much.

1071
01:11:50,734 --> 01:11:57,093
Any questions? Great. Thank you. Thank you. Item 72 is

1072
01:11:57,093 --> 01:12:00,613
the vision, architecture and planning working group. Melanie couldn't be

1073
01:12:00,613 --> 01:12:03,293
here. Emily is. There anything more to unless there's questions.

1074
01:12:05,246 --> 01:12:08,726
Item 73 is real estate, legal and finance. Franklin, do

1075
01:12:08,726 --> 01:12:11,806
we cover everything under six? Four? Thank you. Devin Ford,

1076
01:12:11,806 --> 01:12:19,794
John and Andrew communications, advocacy and civics engagement. Thank you.

1077
01:12:19,794 --> 01:12:27,733
Very briefly, Over the past. Sort of. Since the last

1078
01:12:27,733 --> 01:12:31,333
time we met, Andrew and I have updated the faqs

1079
01:12:31,333 --> 01:12:35,679
on the website to reflect the current environment. And also,

1080
01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:38,639
we've also updated the speaking points. They're currently in the

1081
01:12:38,639 --> 01:12:42,279
draft form. We're waiting for the city's decision regarding the

1082
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:45,159
guiding principles. We think that's. A bit of a milestone

1083
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:49,679
event at that point. The faqs will be updated. I've

1084
01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:52,719
reached out to Mike bytes, made a couple of what

1085
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:55,794
I would call housekeeping changes. In the inter. Interim where

1086
01:12:55,794 --> 01:12:59,154
Mike has updated those. And then we've got a list

1087
01:12:59,154 --> 01:13:04,318
of a number of modifications. All. I would say clarification

1088
01:13:04,318 --> 01:13:08,297
and updated nature. So that's really the first change to

1089
01:13:08,297 --> 01:13:11,497
the faqs and to the speaking points. Since they were

1090
01:13:11,497 --> 01:13:14,297
first penned out of our working groups meeting last week,

1091
01:13:14,297 --> 01:13:16,937
one of the questions was given the updates and things

1092
01:13:16,937 --> 01:13:21,017
that have happened. For example, we talk about partners, and

1093
01:13:21,017 --> 01:13:24,177
there's a rhetorical question. What partners? So we can talk

1094
01:13:24,177 --> 01:13:27,481
with a little more clarity about the library. We talk

1095
01:13:27,481 --> 01:13:32,178
a little more clarity about the why. And also reflected

1096
01:13:32,178 --> 01:13:35,578
to an earlier agenda item provide a little more clarity

1097
01:13:35,578 --> 01:13:39,778
about the environmental condition of the property. And Steve Cooper

1098
01:13:39,778 --> 01:13:42,818
gave a good report for us at the working group

1099
01:13:42,818 --> 01:13:44,818
chairs meeting last week. I think he's going to speak

1100
01:13:44,818 --> 01:13:49,675
to it here. The other thing that the communications committee

1101
01:13:49,675 --> 01:13:53,239
is involved in. Is a further leveraging of the current

1102
01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:57,601
assets. There was a reference here by our first speaker

1103
01:13:57,601 --> 01:14:01,521
to talk about the timeline. Historical timeline that's. Currently in

1104
01:14:01,521 --> 01:14:05,896
place on the site. In addition to that, Again, Steve

1105
01:14:05,896 --> 01:14:09,536
Cooper referencing him. He commissioned a virtual walk through of

1106
01:14:09,536 --> 01:14:12,216
the property, which is on the website, but it's pretty

1107
01:14:12,216 --> 01:14:16,199
buried and. We like to do in consult with Mike

1108
01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:19,079
bytes to leverage a couple of those things to get

1109
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:22,707
a bit of social media. Leverage for those and to

1110
01:14:22,707 --> 01:14:28,013
get a bit of activation for those. Just. As our

1111
01:14:28,013 --> 01:14:31,074
last. Report there. Thanks to Karen and Herb, who've done

1112
01:14:31,074 --> 01:14:34,434
a really good job on the partnership. Aspect of arranging

1113
01:14:34,434 --> 01:14:40,195
some speaking engagements for myself, for Andrew, and also. In

1114
01:14:40,195 --> 01:14:43,359
addition, The service clubs you spoke to. There was a

1115
01:14:43,359 --> 01:14:49,640
number of pop ups. Finally. Since this was written. And

1116
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,040
referenced earlier in the agenda. Andrew has done some work

1117
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,360
regarding the activation he's created. A form in consul with

1118
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,720
city staff that it makes it easy and simple for

1119
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:04,936
groups that may want to be involved. A pretty easy

1120
01:15:04,936 --> 01:15:08,639
form. Which Andrews worked on, which we can distribute in

1121
01:15:08,639 --> 01:15:11,679
the community. Once activation is a goal and we've got

1122
01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:15,239
a bit of more pathway there. John. Questions for John.

1123
01:15:17,076 --> 01:15:19,276
Ron. Just a quick one, John, and it's actually to

1124
01:15:19,276 --> 01:15:21,796
you and to Karen and Herb. I think when you've

1125
01:15:21,796 --> 01:15:24,556
been talking to the service clubs and groups and so

1126
01:15:24,556 --> 01:15:27,036
on, has there been anything that's come out that you

1127
01:15:27,036 --> 01:15:32,588
were surprised at or. You were. Well, yeah. Anything that.

1128
01:15:32,588 --> 01:15:36,515
That kind of made you go. Yeah, I think so.

1129
01:15:36,515 --> 01:15:38,835
I think the recurring question is it comes up at

1130
01:15:38,835 --> 01:15:41,395
the end of every at the end of every presentation,

1131
01:15:41,395 --> 01:15:45,767
almost without fail. I think that's what you're thinking. Is.

1132
01:15:45,767 --> 01:15:48,647
This is great. We're really excited with this. I've lived

1133
01:15:48,647 --> 01:15:52,287
here a long. Time, when can we see something happen?

1134
01:15:52,287 --> 01:15:57,434
And I think one of the. Levers that happens next

1135
01:15:57,434 --> 01:15:59,874
after that, or what are the tumblers that roll over?

1136
01:15:59,874 --> 01:16:03,354
Is the conversations we had at previous meetings about. Okay,

1137
01:16:03,354 --> 01:16:06,154
we should get something happening. We should get activation there.

1138
01:16:07,799 --> 01:16:09,479
We have the timeline? Do we do something with the

1139
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,199
building? Do we take the steel off? Do we cut

1140
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:14,439
some trees? Do we cut grass? Do we look at

1141
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,674
less air? Those are things. That come up in the

1142
01:16:17,674 --> 01:16:21,114
meetings and they're under consideration as to what the future

1143
01:16:21,114 --> 01:16:23,754
use. May be is that something a developer would be

1144
01:16:23,754 --> 01:16:27,354
better to do, et cetera. But I think to that

1145
01:16:27,354 --> 01:16:30,154
point. That is the overriding response that comes out of

1146
01:16:30,154 --> 01:16:33,834
those meetings. I'd love to see something there, some indication

1147
01:16:33,834 --> 01:16:37,210
that there's more than meetings. And I think. That's why.

1148
01:16:38,279 --> 01:16:41,199
I'm really buoyed by the idea of the animation project

1149
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:43,239
and the idea that we activate the place a little

1150
01:16:43,239 --> 01:16:48,008
bit? Thank you. Hopefully that's helpful. Thanks, John. Anything further?

1151
01:16:48,008 --> 01:16:52,666
Much? 75 is infrastructure, environment. Steve, would you like to

1152
01:16:52,666 --> 01:16:57,437
come for. Yeah. Thanks, everyone.

1153
01:17:02,632 --> 01:17:08,112
I didn't speak up earlier in regard to environmental because.

1154
01:17:09,205 --> 01:17:10,325
I want to try and put together a bit of

1155
01:17:10,325 --> 01:17:13,845
a report for the next meeting, and also I want

1156
01:17:13,845 --> 01:17:17,799
to make sure Taylor. Answered any of your questions or

1157
01:17:17,799 --> 01:17:23,182
concerns. I think it's really important. What was brought to

1158
01:17:23,182 --> 01:17:25,502
the group here is just, I think, it would be

1159
01:17:25,502 --> 01:17:30,139
good for this group to understand what. Some of the

1160
01:17:30,139 --> 01:17:33,299
restrictions are on the site in regard to environmental concerns.

1161
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,920
But one thing to keep in mind, this is a

1162
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,680
brown field, like this is an industrial site. That's being

1163
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:44,966
developed. It's not a farmers field that we're plowing into.

1164
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,560
And taking over farmland. So I think it's really important

1165
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,880
to develop a brown field in the city. But there

1166
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,560
are challenges with that. There are always challenges with brownfield.

1167
01:17:58,343 --> 01:18:00,703
I would like to bring a lot more information to

1168
01:18:00,703 --> 01:18:04,703
this group and also work with city staff. On making

1169
01:18:04,703 --> 01:18:07,863
sure that the message and the information we're giving is

1170
01:18:07,863 --> 01:18:12,891
clear. So I hope to have a better presentation for

1171
01:18:12,891 --> 01:18:17,779
the next meeting. Or as you've directed staff to do

1172
01:18:17,779 --> 01:18:23,790
that to fully understand it. There are some really good

1173
01:18:23,790 --> 01:18:27,590
things about the Strafford site, because the ground in this

1174
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:31,888
area. Is very tight. Okay, so most of the contaminants

1175
01:18:31,888 --> 01:18:37,705
don't go deep. They're shallow, which is extremely important in

1176
01:18:37,705 --> 01:18:43,465
regard to costs and remediation. And as Taylor highlighted, there

1177
01:18:43,465 --> 01:18:47,991
are certain areas that are impacted. So a lot of

1178
01:18:47,991 --> 01:18:50,831
the conversation that we will have in the future, maybe

1179
01:18:50,831 --> 01:18:54,151
not necessarily today, is kind of a chicken and an

1180
01:18:54,151 --> 01:19:00,192
egg conversation. Which, what comes first, do we remediate? Now.

1181
01:19:01,455 --> 01:19:03,975
And spend the money, but we don't know what we're

1182
01:19:03,975 --> 01:19:05,535
going to be doing. With the site or what the

1183
01:19:05,535 --> 01:19:06,975
developer is going to be doing with the site in

1184
01:19:06,975 --> 01:19:09,695
the future. Or do we find out what they're going

1185
01:19:09,695 --> 01:19:14,841
to do first and then. It's what comes first. But

1186
01:19:14,841 --> 01:19:17,801
I think in some of the conversations that we've had,

1187
01:19:19,552 --> 01:19:23,055
I think it is a good point. At this stage

1188
01:19:23,055 --> 01:19:26,994
to understand some of the restrictions. And what the best

1189
01:19:26,994 --> 01:19:30,883
use of those areas are. So I'm not going to

1190
01:19:30,883 --> 01:19:33,563
talk about that today, but I'll promise to bring something.

1191
01:19:33,563 --> 01:19:37,870
Back to the next meeting. An overarching kind of look

1192
01:19:37,870 --> 01:19:41,110
at it, and some of our recommendations from the committee

1193
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:44,867
that we formed. And I'll make sure I want to

1194
01:19:44,867 --> 01:19:48,347
have some conversation with staff before I do that. So

1195
01:19:48,347 --> 01:19:54,153
that there's some unity in what we're presenting. Questions for

1196
01:19:54,153 --> 01:19:58,712
Steve. Thank you. Thanks so much, Steve. Yeah, thank you.

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01:20:01,682 --> 01:20:07,002
7.6 is working group coordinators. Ray couldn't be here. Alan,

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01:20:07,002 --> 01:20:11,376
did you have anything. They had asked me to raise

1199
01:20:11,376 --> 01:20:18,413
a couple of issues. One was with regard to. Wanting

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01:20:18,413 --> 01:20:20,693
members of the partnership committee to be able to attend.

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01:20:22,021 --> 01:20:25,821
With Herb and Karen events, and I've suggested that's an

1202
01:20:25,821 --> 01:20:28,621
internal discussion to have. Amongst that group on how they

1203
01:20:28,621 --> 01:20:35,791
allocate the work. We continue that discussion. Thank you. Second

1204
01:20:35,791 --> 01:20:37,591
was he'd asked him if the meeting is returning. To

1205
01:20:37,591 --> 01:20:41,271
07:00 p.m. But we had explained to him in going

1206
01:20:41,271 --> 01:20:43,951
to 04:00 we get the full compliment of city staff

1207
01:20:43,951 --> 01:20:46,111
to be able to be here a lot. Of them

1208
01:20:46,111 --> 01:20:49,671
without the expense. We are broadcasting these meetings, so unless

1209
01:20:49,671 --> 01:20:51,725
there is a will of the group. To change who.

1210
01:20:51,725 --> 01:20:55,253
We want to stay at that timeline now. And the

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01:20:55,253 --> 01:20:58,373
last was just a correction, I believe. Emily, he provided

1212
01:20:58,373 --> 01:21:01,133
us in an email like it. Was admitted in piece,

1213
01:21:01,133 --> 01:21:04,413
but I'll follow up on that if there's nothing else.

1214
01:21:04,413 --> 01:21:07,733
At all I had from the working group. Staff update.

1215
01:21:07,733 --> 01:21:10,493
Emily? Yeah, I just have a couple of comments, just

1216
01:21:10,493 --> 01:21:15,476
as a reminder. So these working group reports that. Are

1217
01:21:15,476 --> 01:21:17,756
now in the agenda package, just a reminder of where

1218
01:21:17,756 --> 01:21:20,276
they came from. So there was discussion. At this meeting

1219
01:21:20,276 --> 01:21:23,436
in July about some of the challenges with information flowing

1220
01:21:23,436 --> 01:21:25,836
back and forth. So the chairs of the working groups

1221
01:21:25,836 --> 01:21:28,516
in pretty short order, we figured out a template for

1222
01:21:28,516 --> 01:21:31,436
these working group reports. And people have been whipping these

1223
01:21:31,436 --> 01:21:34,356
together for the purpose of not just whipping them together.

1224
01:21:34,356 --> 01:21:36,627
A lot of effort. Go into them. But the point

1225
01:21:36,627 --> 01:21:41,027
is, we're turning these around quickly, especially. August and this

1226
01:21:41,027 --> 01:21:45,508
month in September for the benefit. For the committee here

1227
01:21:45,508 --> 01:21:47,628
to see some of the work that's been going on

1228
01:21:47,628 --> 01:21:49,988
and for the working group chairs. So I really just

1229
01:21:49,988 --> 01:21:52,388
want to emphasize that we heard the comments that were

1230
01:21:52,388 --> 01:21:55,988
made in July about the flow of information. And the

1231
01:21:55,988 --> 01:21:59,588
working group reports, status reports that people are providing are.

1232
01:21:59,588 --> 01:22:02,668
In response to that, I also wanted to mention that

1233
01:22:02,668 --> 01:22:05,643
I did a different format this week. Or this month

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01:22:05,643 --> 01:22:08,443
for the staff update. And I took the work plan

1235
01:22:08,443 --> 01:22:10,883
that you all approved and went to Councillor in mid

1236
01:22:10,883 --> 01:22:14,683
August and provided the status or the work update as

1237
01:22:14,683 --> 01:22:18,283
it relates to those tasks in the work plan, so

1238
01:22:18,283 --> 01:22:20,803
they're not all strictly things that I personally did. It's

1239
01:22:20,803 --> 01:22:23,323
a combination of efforts on the city side and then

1240
01:22:23,323 --> 01:22:27,981
also with members of the. Working groups, so. There's room

1241
01:22:27,981 --> 01:22:29,901
to figure out better ways of doing this. We are

1242
01:22:29,901 --> 01:22:35,101
trying to be responsive. So always happy for any suggestions

1243
01:22:35,101 --> 01:22:38,261
on how you might like to see this information differently.

1244
01:22:38,261 --> 01:22:40,861
And I wanted to make a point, too. Tonight we

1245
01:22:40,861 --> 01:22:44,421
took an item that Franklin had questions that he raised.

1246
01:22:44,421 --> 01:22:47,579
In the context of his working group report and. We

1247
01:22:47,579 --> 01:22:49,899
made those a discussion item here at the Councillor tonight

1248
01:22:49,899 --> 01:22:52,499
to be able to delve into. Those. So you'll see

1249
01:22:52,499 --> 01:22:55,659
that both there's reports from the working groups that are

1250
01:22:55,659 --> 01:22:57,939
more status reports, and when there are items that need

1251
01:22:57,939 --> 01:23:01,339
to be discussed, they will come to the committee in

1252
01:23:01,339 --> 01:23:05,054
the main part of the agenda. A couple of other

1253
01:23:05,054 --> 01:23:09,745
things. We have our vision and guiding principles going to

1254
01:23:09,745 --> 01:23:12,665
Councillor on September 23, a week today, so that's the

1255
01:23:12,665 --> 01:23:15,065
last version that you all worked on that's going along

1256
01:23:15,065 --> 01:23:17,425
with the community. Insights, a report on the findings from

1257
01:23:17,425 --> 01:23:21,305
our community engagement that's going forward to Councillor next. Week,

1258
01:23:21,305 --> 01:23:23,225
and so I'll be sure to keep you posted on

1259
01:23:23,225 --> 01:23:26,305
when that goes or when that's approved or the comments.

1260
01:23:26,686 --> 01:23:31,126
From Councillor. And then one last thing Ray had, I

1261
01:23:31,126 --> 01:23:35,617
think he mentioned is at the last meeting. He found

1262
01:23:35,617 --> 01:23:39,017
this book really helpful. It's called Valley of the bird

1263
01:23:39,017 --> 01:23:42,377
tale. He mentioned it. Last month, you may recall. And

1264
01:23:42,377 --> 01:23:50,335
so he has 20 copies that he purchased. And. Were

1265
01:23:50,335 --> 01:23:52,775
provided by the author. So I've got a box here

1266
01:23:52,775 --> 01:23:54,855
and he asked me in. His absence to offer them

1267
01:23:54,855 --> 01:23:58,055
up to whomever is interested in them. It's called valley.

1268
01:23:58,055 --> 01:24:00,175
Of the bird tail, an indian reserve, a white town,

1269
01:24:00,175 --> 01:24:03,135
and the road to reconciliation. So you're. Welcome to take

1270
01:24:03,135 --> 01:24:05,907
a book if you would like that. I feel like

1271
01:24:05,907 --> 01:24:07,267
there was one more thing I was going to share.

1272
01:24:09,976 --> 01:24:11,496
But I'm just really grateful to all the working group

1273
01:24:11,496 --> 01:24:14,176
chairs in particular for pulling these reports together and for

1274
01:24:14,176 --> 01:24:17,911
the work that everyone's doing behind the scenes. Like he's

1275
01:24:17,911 --> 01:24:22,799
saying your things are due. I need them now. I

1276
01:24:22,799 --> 01:24:25,199
need them. I'm putting out their agenda. So I appreciate

1277
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:28,439
all the work that everyone's put into it, so thank

1278
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:32,413
you. Thank you. Our next item is under new business,

1279
01:24:32,413 --> 01:24:37,672
the youth. Representative. And Victoria want to give you update

1280
01:24:37,672 --> 01:24:43,906
on that. So staff contacted additional applicants. Who originally applied

1281
01:24:43,906 --> 01:24:48,206
for the position. Unfortunately, they were no longer interested. In

1282
01:24:48,206 --> 01:24:52,733
that youth representation position. So this fall we will be

1283
01:24:52,733 --> 01:24:56,813
re advertising the position with the anticipating participation of being

1284
01:24:56,813 --> 01:24:59,333
able to fill it. But at this time, none of

1285
01:24:59,333 --> 01:25:03,410
the current applicants were interested anymore. The clerk's office is

1286
01:25:03,410 --> 01:25:08,490
working. Is there anything further? If not, I'd take a

1287
01:25:08,490 --> 01:25:10,610
motion to adjourn and our next meeting is scheduled. For

1288
01:25:10,610 --> 01:25:15,168
October 21 at 04:00 p.m. In the chamber. Uber. Thanks,

1289
01:25:15,168 --> 01:25:20,159
Franklin. Mark seconded. All those in favor? Thank you.