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Welcome, everyone. It is Tuesday, January 13, from a special

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meeting of the council of municipality estrothroy. Caradock, roll call.

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All are present. Are there any declarations of pecuniary? Interest.

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Order to approve the agenda. I'm just going to ask

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when we get there that we let the police service

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present their budget before I speak to ours. Seem to

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want to keep the police service sitting around. We'll make

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that amendment. Motion to approve the agenda as amended. Deputy

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mayor. Seconded by councilor Pam in. All in favor? A

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motion carries. Item four, appointment of a chair. I'm actually

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not going to do that initially when this went out.

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I thought we'd be sitting as the budget committee, but

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we're actually. Sitting as a special meet at a council,

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so when I do want to speak, I'll. Be going

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down there, actually. The deputy mayor will act as chair

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for that portion of the meeting. Motion to go into

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closed session. Yeah, go ahead. Are we on or off?

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We're all in. I just asked for clarification on. That

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when you say you're going to come down, is that

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just to make a motion? No. You partake in the

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conversation? When I can speak from there. You just can't

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make the motion from there. Couch. I don't hate to

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use the word optics. You should sit down there and.

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Support staff. It is my proposed budget, so I just

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thought in order for things to move more slowly. Better.

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I'll just go sit down there when we present. The

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budget. I'm just going to ask for clarification. Yeah, go

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ahead. So there's no rule that says I have to

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do that. I'm just doing. Better. Yeah, okay, I got

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it. Because you're just presenting today. I'm just presenting councilor.

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That's why I decide to support and make it easier.

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I would do so. Motion to go in a closed

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session at 432 for the following what I'd have pursued

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is section 239. Two h. For the. Municipal act, as

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amended, regarding information explicitly supplied and confidence to the municipality

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by another level of government. M one item. Pursuant to

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section 239, two B of the act, as amended, regarding

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personal matters about identifiable individual. Individuals, including municipal or local

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board employees. Motion to go into close. That remedy. Site

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client, councilor Hippo, all in favor? That motion carries. Thank

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you.

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Everyone. Closed session adjourned. At 04:43 p.m. an. Open session.

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Resume council met in closed session and considered matters that

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it's not going to do so under the municipal act,

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and it's listed on tonight's council agenda. During the closed

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session. I have a few connections. One item. Regarding information

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supplied and competency municipality by another level of government. Direction

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was given to staff. One item presumed is section 239,

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two B of the act regarding personal matters about identifiable

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individual, including municipal employees. Direction was given to staff. Motion

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of the direction and closed session be approved. Deputy mayor,

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second by councilor pellet. All in favor? Motion carries. We

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are now going to recess. For. Until 515 or 05:00.

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Till 05:00. Recess until 05:00. All right. He goes pitball.

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Second by councilor can. All in favor ocean carriers? Yes.

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Welcome back, everyone. We'll now start with the budget presentation.

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We're going to start with the 2026 proposed police services

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budget. And just a comment. How this process is evolving,

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you'll know that. In. The capital portion of the police

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service budget. I had recommended not to go ahead. With

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the police annex, but yesterday. Few of us received a

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memo from the solicitor General, the minister of municipal affairs.

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Telling us that under the strong mayor powers that the

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mayor has, No business, for lack of a better word.

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For fingerprints on the fleet budget. It would be the

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normal course of action where council can make their recommendations,

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but that came yesterday. But I am seeking clarity on

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whether or not it spoke specifically. To operating, remove capital

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or both. So the deputy mayor was with me today

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when I spoke to the minister. Municipal affairs office. But

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again, just to point out how this whole process. Is

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kind of learn as you go on the full process.

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With that, I'm going to determine. We have Matt Alm.

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Do you want to come? Up, Matt. Matt hall, chair

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of the police board and chief Campbell and deputy chief

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Cushman. If he's needed, but I will turn it over

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to you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And thank you. Rest

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of council for making the time to have me here

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today. This is the first time I've had the opportunity

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to speak with everybody. So. I'm just going to go

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over a few of the things that led up to

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kind of where we are with the budget this year.

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Make some comments and then I'll pass. It over to

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Chief Campbell, he can kind of do a deeper dive

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into the budget. So 2025 was a big year of

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growth for Stratford Caradox Police Service. We saw a large

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population boom in town, and with that we had necessitated

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us doing some hiring. Increase our staffing levels. A requirement

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under the Community Safety and Policing act is that the

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police board is required to ensure adequate and effective policing.

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So one of the ways that we have done that

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is to ensure that our staffing levels have kind of

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kept up with population growth, and that's what we saw

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in 2025. As well. Scps took on 911 services for

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middlesex county. Answering any 911 calls outside of Strathroy Caradock

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area. Another item. Is the ongoing planning for the expansion

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that the mayor mentioned. The board voted on that budget

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item in the January board meeting and approved it to

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move forward. To council approval. As well. One of the

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bigger factors. Leading up to our budget this year was

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the new collective agreement was ratified at the end of

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last year. A bit of a background on that. The

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previous collective agreement. Was from 2021 to 2025. So we

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all know 2021 was the beginning of Covid. We had

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just ratified a very fair deal for our officers. Modest

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increases throughout the year to keep up with inflation. As

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soon as Covid kind of ramped up, inflation took off,

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led the rising cost for everything. Struthercare police was tied

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to our collective agreement. But other services started to see.

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Higher increases that they were settling for kind of 2%

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more on average per year than what our officers were

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seeing. So what that did was last year when we

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started looking at comparator groups for our officers is we

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found that we were toward one of the, on the

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lower end of the provincial average for salaries. So, in

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order to ensure that we were remaining competitive and marketable,

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For recruitment, we understood that we needed to bring everybody

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up to a provincial average. So through the bargaining process.

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We agreed to a 6% 1st year pay hike just

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to get the officers up. And then modest increases out

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to that to keep up with inflation. We don't anticipate

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any. Further big jumps like that, but this is kind

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of a one off year. Where we're seeing that bigger

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increase. As well. Along with the increase in wages, there

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was an increase. In the benefit package, which led to

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increased operating costs. The recognition of mental health planned a

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bigger role and there was a corresponding increase in benefits

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provided to our officers. I always thought that. An ounce

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of prevention is worth the pounded care. So if we

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can take care of these problems, beforehand. You can keep

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officers on the job. It's better bang for your buck.

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That is about it for the kind of the high

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level stuff that led to where we are. With the

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budget. I will pass it over to the chief. He

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can kind of do a deeper dive into the numbers.

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And then open it up for questions. At the end.

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Thank you. First of all,

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Thanks. Jared hall. As I sit in here, my it

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director is getting me linked into the sharing my speaking

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notes. That will be made available to the rest of

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council. While he's doing that, I do have some quick

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summaries. I just wanted to sort of provide an opening

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sort of comment or statement to counsel. Certainly in regards

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to the 2026 budget presentation. So priorities from the office

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of the Chief. This is probably my 9th or 10th

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budget I've prepared as chief of the police service. Each

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and every time. I've tried to hit on being consistent,

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transparent. And equitable. We certainly want to operate as a

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trusted cooperative partner within the municipal landscape, working to establish

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and coordinate effective use of both human and financial resources

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that enhance community safety and well being across our municipalities,

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our regional borders and provincial landscape. Our community based police

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service strives to earn the trust and respect of all

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of our community. Members. And visitors alike as we work

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towards organizational excellence. In delivering the highest standards through professionalism.

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Dedication and empathy. And we are appreciative of the support

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and the governance offered by our police services. Board and

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the leadership of municipal Council, providing us with the appropriate

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resources to meet our ever changing demands. And challenges affecting

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community safety, both at the local, provincial, national. And it's

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safe to say, even more so now at the international

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level. So with that, I'm just going to sort of

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embark on. Kind of moving. Through some of my talking

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points in regards to this slide here. So with page

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two build. An appreciating. That in the last year, both

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municipal council and the police services board have undertaken. An

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exercise to build out a strong and robust strategic plan.

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Certainly our budget presentation. Aligned with the work that. Is

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captured in our strategic plan. At the police service, including

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alignment to our mission, the vision and the values. We

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also have. Some very important strategic pillars about effective stewardship

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of assets. Exemplary customer service. Promoting community safety, advancing technology

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and innovation. And certainly excellence in our people and our

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culture. Along with this, we have an organized. Organizational chart

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that represents the 42 uniform members. In 17 civilian members

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that make up our organization. In the next page. On

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page three, there's a bit of a review of some

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of the cost of policing. And this is spanning over

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a four year window from 2022 to 2025. In it,

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you'll see the revenues that we have worked with, the

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expenses that. We have incurred. That are broken down into

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various categories, including our general costs associated to our police

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services board, administrative cost, uniform costs and our civilian members.

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Over the course of the last four years, 2022 to

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2025, we have incurred surpluses. In each of those four

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years. A lot of that has to do with some

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of the increases in revenue that. We have built in

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and expanded over those years. Some of the savings on

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the expenses. As you can appreciate, a vast majority of

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our expenses are related to salaries and benefits and when

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we have the absence of members from active duty. Those

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are often the biggest areas where. We see an increase

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in savings in regards to. Normal or ongoing expenses. In

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regards to some of the cost of policing in regards

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to capital projects. Again, A four year overview. Of both

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the capital revenue and capital. Have occurred. That was me.

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Sorry. Again, showing where we landed, or, sorry, landed at

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the end of each particular year. This particular year. In

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our proposed budget. There are. Some fairly substantial increases. And

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again, the board. Chair has certainly highlighted some of those

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areas where some of the increases. Occurred. I'd like to

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give sort of just a quick review. Of both the

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revenue sources and the expense drivers in, particularly for the

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2026 year. In the one document that. Is here before

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you. See that we have been very aggressive in seeking

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grant funding opportunities to help fund. Our operations. Another area

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where we experience a fairly substantial increase in revenue within

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the provincial offenses. That is really money that is generated

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from ticket revenue, which pre Covid. Was. A fairly decent

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revenue number. Obviously, through the Covid period, it dropped off

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substantially and we're now starting to see that return to

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the pre Covid amounts the chair announced or talked about

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some of the expansion in our fire, dispatch and 911

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services. That has been very effective for our organization. In

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creating better levels of service. But. It also has Earth.

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The corresponding. Revenue sources that come with it, and we

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are always getting inquiries from other areas. About potential interest

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in expanding that area. Another area where we've seen or

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have recovered wage and salary or, sorry, salary and benefit.

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Cost is expanding our college Sakham and program at the

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Ontario Police College. We currently have four senior members who

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are on to condemns at the college where the police

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service is getting full. Cost recovery back on both salaries

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and benefits. And again. In 2026. We were successful in

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receiving. Ng nine one funding for the 2026 year, which.

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In our operating budget. Is actually being divided out. 570,000.

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In operational expenses, 832,000 will be incurred in capital expenses.

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It was a grant worth 1.4 million that we were

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successful in getting some of the expense drivers. I want

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to highlight that are in the 2026 budget. Salary increases

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tied to the new collective bargaining agreement. Again that the

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chair. Has skimmed over and talked about, and that's both

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in both our uniform and our civilian members. Another area.

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That's impacting expenses is our staffing model. I think it's

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not a surprise to most that council that over the

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last three to four years, we have gone on a

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recruiting campaign, hiring very young, new, inexperienced members. As they

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go through various class readjustments. Their salary has small bumps,

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and they go. So we're seeing those impacts starting to

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arrive. One of the areas in our operating budget this

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year where we noticed a big increase was in some

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of the benefit costs. There's been a new application of

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a new percentage increase that along with some recalculations regarding

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WSIB expenses that weren't being calculated. On. A previous. Graph

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that we were using have been corrected. And that explains

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why there has been some increases in some of those

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benefit costs. We've also moved. Or operationalize our axon suite

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of products. As we ventured into the use of axon

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products, including body war and cameras and in card cameras.

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Those were being captured in capital expenses through some discussions.

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And ongoing consultation with the director of finance. We have

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now operationalized those expenses, moving them into the operational. Budget

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areas. There has been obviously a corresponding reduction in capital

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cost and capital taxation as those have now been. Moved

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into the operations. We've also ventured in 2025. And obviously.

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Continuing on in 2026. The return of utilizing our own

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IT resources and staff within Strathori cared police service. We

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obviously operate a very unique industry. And the demands and

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the challenges. And our certainly use of technologies. Has sort

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of created an opportunity where we're best utilizing those resources

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inside our own organization. We're also into year two of.

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Accounting line where we are capturing any of the municipal

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administrative services that we are receiving, specifically HR. Activities. That

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occur through the director of HR and his team as

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they help support the police service. That line appears again

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in our operating budget. We've also created. A building debt

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repayment expense line in our operating budget. In anticipation of

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moving forward with our building annex. And again, I highlighted

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that. In our operating budget and capital budget for 2026.

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The separation of the NG 9111 grant funding that has

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occurred. I also want to sort of just take a

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little bit of time to speak to the building. Annex.

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Last Thursday at a police services board meeting, we received

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the final classity costing that was presented. At that meeting

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a motion. Was made and passed by the board that

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the board received the Strathary care dock police. Edition and

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renovation class a budget report for information and approve it

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for presentation to counsel for their approval. I want to

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highlight for the council the strong, positive position that the

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police service is in. We have over $1 million in

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police reserves. We have over $540,000 in development charges, money

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that. Is situated and available. To help us. Lessen some

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of the impacts in moving forward. On the building annex.

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We also have some understanding of the municipal debt structure

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and that. There is at current, a fairly low. Municipal

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debt ratio. We're also aware that there is a very

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attractive interest rate opportunity that presents itself for moving into

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the space of. Taking on additional debt. And we're also

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very aware that there is a favorable building market. That

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exists currently. Meaning there is really a low supply of

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projects. And a heightened interest in general contractors looking for

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projects. And that was made very clear last Thursday. During

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the presentation by Mr. Holt of Alink, who has been

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doing through his company a lot. Of work in prepping

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us. For getting to the stage where the building annex.

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Has the class a costing completed. Currently. The service. Has

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invested and paid for well over $200,000 in regards to.

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Money to get us to this stage. Of the costing.

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The demands for the facility annexation have not gone away,

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and I think it's important to maybe highlight for council

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and the community some of what those demands were our

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staffing, capacity growth not only in additional members. Challenges in

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spacing in regarding to work areas, change rooms, and certainly

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some of the parking limitations. We have. Operational readiness. Wintertime.

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Often brings about challenges we have with weather or inclement

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weather that challenges some of our operational readiness to respond

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to calls, an onsite training spaces. Currently, we do a

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lot of off site training where some of our members

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sometimes are taken outside of our community, just so. That

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they are able to complete some of the onsite train.

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Operational effectiveness. Our 911 center is a very limited space

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currently, and as we continue to take on more and

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more. Opportunities to provide services. It is a busy center

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in a very confined space. Additional to that is some

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of the challenges we have with our indoor it space

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just this past year we had. A couple of outages

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regarding overheating in a space as the it closet. As

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I like to call it is actually two former closets

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that have been constructed to create a space. For an

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IT server room. We're also up to looking to future.

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Proof our building through the service expansion. That involves expanding

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some of the community partner opportunities. One area that we

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have existing relationships is with probation. And as well as.

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A pre charge consultation. Crown, who spends time in our

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building two to three days a week. We have an

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opportunity to expand some of those partnerships and bringing in

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additional partners, including victim services. As well as expanding some

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of our dispatching service opportunities. I will also like to

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highlight that one of the areas that we have some

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challenges currently is with a virtual court suite. During the

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Covid time, we had more and more opportunities where we

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were being asked. To attend court virtually, and we have

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some challenges with our current setup just to meet the

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expectations. And requirement of the courtroom to ensure that we

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have a virtual. Court room in our building that is

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free of obstructions, challenges and other recording equipment that isn't

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permitted as far as when you are providing. Those. Opportunities.

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And more and more. We obviously are seeing more virtual

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bail hearings than opportunities that are occurring. In our facility.

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The next page after this highlights some of the grant

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funding that I reference. Again, this is an opportunity that

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we will continue to search and find rent funding opportunities

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whenever they are available. For our organization to lessen certainly

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some of the impacts in regards to taxation. And then

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the last page again. It's already been sort of highlighted.

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It's in relation to the authorities under the Community Safety

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Policing act about the responsibilities for funding and the approval

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pieces that have in both in the police services board

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and ultimately at council. With that, I will pause and

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certainly take questions from council in regards to our presentation.

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Thank you. Chief. Thanks, chair hall, any questions? For any

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of the two. Councilor Kenneth. Just, I guess, a general

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question. Is there a formula for? Police officers per x

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number of citizens or. I guess. How do you come

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up with staffing needs, especially. On the officer side. Of

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business. Through the mayor to councilor Kenneth. The traditional ratio

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was called a cop to pop or cop to pop

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ratio. So number of officers to a population. Over the

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last, I would say five to ten years. The industry

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had sort of moved away from. That index to more

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of a calls for service and what really provides adequate

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and effective policing response. Certainly what policing has evolved into

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over a number of years is. A bigger suite of

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services that you offer to your community. Outside of traditional

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law enforcement. We are obviously involved in mental health calls,

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homelessness, addiction, a lot of social unrest type calls. Those

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are activities that we are capturing on a day to

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day basis. To show what we are doing and how

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we are providing services to our community so we're trying

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to utilize that as a metrics. To be more reflective

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of what does adequate and effective policing look like? What

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are the community's expectations for a response time to get

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to calls for service as opposed to a cop to

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a pop ratio. I will highlight. I think one of

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the challenges to a cop to pop metrics is a

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community such as Sirothran Kerada. That has a lot of

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people that reside here, but maybe live or sorry that

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work outside the community. Conversely, we have a lot of

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people who don't live in our community that come into

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our towns, communities on a daily basis. To work, to

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go to school. To attend services, whether it's the hospital

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or other activities. So that's for me. It's a real

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moving target, and I don't. Think that that's a real

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accurate reflective ratio to use to come up with an

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adequate staffing number. Councilor hippel. Excuse me. Thank you. Through

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yourself to the chief. We're talking about junior officers. Graduating

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their way up over. The last few years. I guess

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with what councilor Kenneth was talking about a little bit.

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I'm curious how our compliment. How your compliment is at

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this time and are you happy with it and how

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you see us moving forward with who you have. Now.

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So through the mayor to councilor Hippol. We over the

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last number of years. As we have added some numbers

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incrementally, year over year, so that there wasn't. A large

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up sea impact on the budget with salary increases, so

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that was sort of one strategy we had was to

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grow slowly. But reflective of where we were with. Our

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increase in activities. We strategically looked at hiring younger. Less

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expensive members coming into the organization. I may get in

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trouble for making this analogy or reference, but. Our young

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members are like having. Puppies around. They are very engaged,

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very active. Wanting to be out doing things. And learning

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as we go. It's been beneficial because. It has created

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a culture within the organization. That has grown and has

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become. Stronger because of. I think where we've gone with

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our recruiting strategy. We've also targeted, and I mean in

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a good way. New members who have a long history

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to this community, perhaps grew up here, perhaps have moved

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here. Are connected to our community not only in working

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here, but. Through other areas. Family. Relationships activities which I

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think boasts well for our organization. We are happy with.

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Our complement numbers in how we have structured the organization.

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We run uniform divisions of six members, so 24 uniform

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members. I have two members dedicated for traffic enforcement. I

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have a dedicated community services officer who also doubles as

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a media officer, I have a member dedicated to mental

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health calls. So on any given day, I have at

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a disposal eight to nine uniform members available to provide

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services, frontline services, if required. We have a strong cachet,

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or core of criminal investigators, numbering up six that are

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involved. In our criminal investigation and help provide those additional

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support. Supports. I have a strong command staff team, and

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we feel we are very well positioned and very well

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staffed to provide the services. That we believe. That this

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community deserves. Thank you. Councilor Pammer, I'm just wondering if

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you could expand a little bit on the increases under

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it expense, particularly the three lines that have a 220%

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increase, 300% 352 could you explain why this year there's

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such a drastic change in those lines? Again. If you

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just give me a minute to grab my line by

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line sheet, I think I. Know which area is here.

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You might be rough.

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Behind door number three, apparently.

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So through the mirror to Councillor Pamer. I think the

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three areas that. You might be referencing is information technology.

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Contracted it and the. Axon Alpr. So the first two,

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the 180,226, actually correspond directly to the NG 911 funding.

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So the grant that we received, I think I highlighted

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earlier that. 1.4 million grant funding. Some of it has

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been divided into. Operational expenses. And some have been divided

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out into capital expenses. The increases in those two areas,

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up to 180,226. Are directly related to the NG 9111

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project, so those are really one time, one year expense.

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Increases that are covered are offset by the grant funding.

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The 320,000. Is the moving of the axon from the

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capital into the operational. Pieces. And so that taxation funding

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that had been occurring. On the capital side has now

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been adjusted. Into the operational side. Any other questions? Councilor

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Derbyshire. Thank you. To the chief. That was kind of

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my question. Was the NZ 91111? It takes, Grant. And

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basically pays for itself. It doesn't really cost us to

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run that program. Should it almost be its own separate?

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Kind of project over here. Make it a little easier,

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a little clear as to. What it kind of does

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with its operation and its expenses. Or is it actually

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all part of. Your whole budget. I guess to me.

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I thought it was somewhat of a separately run kind

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of program. But within the police services. I don't want

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it skewing your numbers. I guess when we look at

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it, right. Basically, it's money in, money out. Then that

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works. But as it increase, it looks like your budget

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is taking a real big increase. Even though. It's kind

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of doing that on its own, I guess. Would be.

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Maybe I'm not being clear. But I guess I just

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like to see NG 911 kind of broken down in

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its own operation. And expenses, I guess, would be. What

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I was getting at, whether that's an option or not.

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So through the mayor to councilor Derbyshire. Certainly. First of

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all, It's been a long, ongoing project. This is maybe

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year three of the NG 9111. Funding envelope. The previous

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two years. When the it at Town hall was running

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the project. That's where the revenues were showing and the

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expenses were showing. I certainly appreciate, I think, what you're

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01:03:39,253 --> 01:03:44,827
referencing. And we've tried to be transparent. And show where

475
01:03:44,827 --> 01:03:49,452
those expenses are occurring. In regards to the work that

476
01:03:49,452 --> 01:03:55,432
is being undertaken. We are hoping that through the work

477
01:03:55,432 --> 01:03:58,552
of our it staff that we will be able to

478
01:03:58,552 --> 01:04:02,432
get to the finish line, hopefully in 2026. So this

479
01:04:02,432 --> 01:04:06,192
may just be a one year sort of. Cycle where

480
01:04:06,192 --> 01:04:09,072
we only have to show these numbers. I think maybe

481
01:04:09,072 --> 01:04:12,392
going forward, if it spills. Into 2027. Maybe we can

482
01:04:12,392 --> 01:04:17,554
give some. Consideration. To pushing those out into additional GL

483
01:04:17,554 --> 01:04:21,910
lens. Follow up council jury. Yeah, and just on that,

484
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:24,630
I guess, through you to our director of finance. Now.

485
01:04:26,204 --> 01:04:28,804
Was this? The grants that we didn't meet and had

486
01:04:28,804 --> 01:04:35,110
to give back. In previous years. So. Yes, through the

487
01:04:35,110 --> 01:04:39,502
chair, the council. We got grant money expecting to do

488
01:04:39,502 --> 01:04:44,248
all this work. The issue. Is, and the chief can

489
01:04:44,248 --> 01:04:47,128
attest to this, is there's a limited number of vendors

490
01:04:47,128 --> 01:04:51,516
for these projects. And all those vendors. Excuse me. Those

491
01:04:51,516 --> 01:04:54,436
vendors are going after each of the police services, so

492
01:04:54,436 --> 01:04:57,356
whoever is highest in the ready. That's who gets them.

493
01:04:57,356 --> 01:05:01,430
So that's why we ended. Up refunding, but. As you

494
01:05:01,430 --> 01:05:05,310
just heard, we got 1.4 million this year to finish

495
01:05:05,310 --> 01:05:07,310
that project. So in essence, we're getting that money back.

496
01:05:08,838 --> 01:05:14,062
Councilor willsey. Got two questions. One of them was kind

497
01:05:14,062 --> 01:05:18,996
of triggered by Councillor Derby's question. When we looked through.

498
01:05:18,996 --> 01:05:23,580
We know that we're expanding dispatch services. We're doing. All

499
01:05:23,580 --> 01:05:28,255
for the county now, and that continues to grow. The

500
01:05:28,255 --> 01:05:30,615
question that sparked my interest is that he was explaining

501
01:05:30,615 --> 01:05:32,895
that the NG 911 wouldn't make sense to have that.

502
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,400
Separate either as, like, a sub budget of yours, because

503
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,720
right now we've got approximately $10. Million budget only $8

504
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,840
million is coming tax because you're getting the revenue for

505
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,880
doing the 911 calls, and I know that works out

506
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,240
to be almost a wash, but would it? Make sense

507
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,200
so that when the public's looking at it, we don't.

508
01:05:52,157 --> 01:05:55,077
See the dispatch portion as a policing cost, but that's

509
01:05:55,077 --> 01:05:57,677
a self funding. It can be. A sub department or

510
01:05:57,677 --> 01:06:01,560
something just for clarity and optics to see that. We're

511
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,800
not paying our police department 10 million a year out

512
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,280
of a $24 million. Legend. That's my first question, so

513
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,780
maybe I'll let you respond to that. So through the

514
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:17,330
mayor to Councilor Wilsey. So the operation, obviously, of the

515
01:06:17,330 --> 01:06:21,610
911 center is part of police operations, obviously one of

516
01:06:21,610 --> 01:06:29,349
their roles. Is as police dispatchers. Again. We try to,

517
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:34,278
I think. It's pretty obvious. We tried to create some

518
01:06:34,278 --> 01:06:39,686
revenue streams regarding. The additional services, obviously, that we run

519
01:06:39,686 --> 01:06:43,857
both. In fire dispatch at the county level, as you

520
01:06:43,857 --> 01:06:47,657
mentioned, answering 911 calls at the county level, saving city

521
01:06:47,657 --> 01:06:53,672
of London. I guess we are trying to be transparent

522
01:06:53,672 --> 01:06:59,874
in showing that there is. This revenue that is created.

523
01:07:01,591 --> 01:07:07,822
Through those activities. As well as. Creating some very distinct.

524
01:07:09,543 --> 01:07:15,046
Expense lines for our civilian. Members. In the operating budget

525
01:07:15,046 --> 01:07:20,062
to outline what costs we are incurring from. A staffing

526
01:07:20,062 --> 01:07:25,877
component. In addition to some of. The hardware software costs

527
01:07:25,877 --> 01:07:31,289
that appear in our IT related budget. So I think

528
01:07:31,289 --> 01:07:35,425
that's what we're trying to accomplish. Is by. Showing where

529
01:07:35,425 --> 01:07:40,008
we are as far as bringing in revenue. To run

530
01:07:40,008 --> 01:07:45,086
the organization as well as where those expenses occur. Willsy.

531
01:07:45,086 --> 01:07:46,406
And as a follow up, I think you've done a

532
01:07:46,406 --> 01:07:49,668
good job. Like myself, where I look at the budget

533
01:07:49,668 --> 01:07:51,428
and I can see the revenue. I know what finance

534
01:07:51,428 --> 01:07:53,188
I'm looking for. I kind of know how to separate

535
01:07:53,188 --> 01:07:55,228
that out and back it out. From it. But if

536
01:07:55,228 --> 01:07:57,428
the general public, or someone who's not a counselor or

537
01:07:57,428 --> 01:07:59,628
somebody who hasn't spent hours looking at your sheets. They're

538
01:07:59,628 --> 01:08:01,628
not going to know that, so. It was more of

539
01:08:01,628 --> 01:08:03,868
a formatting question, not how you're doing it, but if

540
01:08:03,868 --> 01:08:06,308
we can just make that easier. And then that way

541
01:08:06,308 --> 01:08:10,615
it's easy. We can know what's. Dispatch and. What's policing?

542
01:08:10,562 --> 01:08:15,596
Same budget, everything else. Just displayed differently. The second question

543
01:08:15,596 --> 01:08:20,720
I had was towards. The annex. I see it's not

544
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,338
in your capital budget for this year. So I'm just

545
01:08:24,338 --> 01:08:27,418
wondering what your plan is as far as the police

546
01:08:27,418 --> 01:08:29,058
board. When you would want to go forward with that.

547
01:08:29,058 --> 01:08:31,218
Is that something? A 2026 project? We're going to see

548
01:08:31,218 --> 01:08:35,256
later. Is it 27? Is it 28? It's not in

549
01:08:35,256 --> 01:08:37,976
this year's capital, so I'm just wondering what the. Plan

550
01:08:37,976 --> 01:08:39,656
is on when you feel like you'd want to be

551
01:08:39,656 --> 01:08:42,776
moving forward with that, given your other comments earlier tonight.

552
01:08:44,128 --> 01:08:46,608
I'll help you. It was in the police service board.

553
01:08:46,608 --> 01:08:51,730
Budget reference. The police service board? Approved it. Until I

554
01:08:51,730 --> 01:08:55,370
got the memo from this list or general telling me

555
01:08:55,370 --> 01:08:58,130
strong mayors have no ability to touch the capital. It's

556
01:08:58,130 --> 01:09:00,490
actually me cousin Wilson who took it out of the

557
01:09:00,490 --> 01:09:03,810
town. Budget. So now I think it has to go

558
01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:06,010
back in, given the memo we have today, but. It

559
01:09:06,010 --> 01:09:10,606
initially was in the police service board. Okay, because their

560
01:09:10,606 --> 01:09:15,520
capital budget that they presented here. It's not here. The

561
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,400
one that's in their item. Okay, they only have 1.4.

562
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,384
Million of capital for the year. On that question, then

563
01:09:22,384 --> 01:09:27,972
they do want to do it in 26. Council, Brandon.

564
01:09:31,176 --> 01:09:33,616
It was the intention of the board to go ahead

565
01:09:33,616 --> 01:09:36,616
with the capital expenditure in 2026 with the class a

566
01:09:36,616 --> 01:09:40,523
costing and go to tender as soon as possible. And

567
01:09:40,523 --> 01:09:45,603
then the mayor did what he did. And then yesterday,

568
01:09:45,603 --> 01:09:49,923
January 12, we received a memo from the solicitor general.

569
01:09:51,807 --> 01:09:56,377
Indicating that. The mayor cannot just arbitrarily take that out

570
01:09:56,377 --> 01:10:01,436
of a police board capital budget. So I guess in

571
01:10:01,436 --> 01:10:07,923
terms of process right now, It really should. Be in

572
01:10:07,923 --> 01:10:13,825
this budget as presented today. But given what happened yesterday

573
01:10:13,825 --> 01:10:17,794
from the sister general, that's what changed things. So the

574
01:10:17,794 --> 01:10:21,954
board voted to go ahead with it. The Merrick pulled

575
01:10:21,954 --> 01:10:25,394
it. The solicitor general has said strong mayors can't do

576
01:10:25,394 --> 01:10:29,405
that. There wasn't enough time. I guess maybe. To update

577
01:10:29,405 --> 01:10:32,325
or change all of that for today, but I know

578
01:10:32,325 --> 01:10:34,485
the board has voted to go. Ahead with it. And

579
01:10:34,485 --> 01:10:38,005
it's the board's expectation that given the information from the

580
01:10:38,005 --> 01:10:42,415
solicitor general that. The capital. Request from the police board

581
01:10:42,415 --> 01:10:48,025
be put in front of council. And. That council. Would

582
01:10:48,025 --> 01:10:52,425
then vote on the overall police board package, but not

583
01:10:52,425 --> 01:10:56,543
individual line items, just the total amount. It's been kind

584
01:10:56,543 --> 01:11:01,249
of a moving target with this new budget process. And

585
01:11:01,249 --> 01:11:06,450
regulations coming out kind of on the fly. But that's

586
01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:09,662
where we are. And I know we've been shooting a

587
01:11:09,662 --> 01:11:12,022
lot of texts around saying, okay, well, in light of

588
01:11:12,022 --> 01:11:14,022
what the mayor did. In light of what the celestial

589
01:11:14,022 --> 01:11:17,702
general did. Where are we today? In terms of approving

590
01:11:17,702 --> 01:11:22,778
a police. Board a budget. It's my understanding that with

591
01:11:22,778 --> 01:11:24,978
the wish of the police board before the mayor acted,

592
01:11:24,978 --> 01:11:26,738
that that come in front of this body today, and

593
01:11:26,738 --> 01:11:28,418
it would be the idea that if we were approving

594
01:11:28,418 --> 01:11:32,378
the police board budget that we'd be doing everything that's

595
01:11:32,378 --> 01:11:34,898
on paper. Here. And in addition, the idea would be.

596
01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:39,980
Giving the green light to the class A costing going

597
01:11:39,980 --> 01:11:44,642
to the final stages. For request, for proposals to be

598
01:11:44,642 --> 01:11:49,042
put out, for tendering to happen, and for construction to

599
01:11:49,042 --> 01:11:54,595
begin. In this favorable construction season. Right now. As the

600
01:11:54,595 --> 01:11:58,958
chief was saying. So I don't know where we are

601
01:11:58,958 --> 01:12:01,158
tonight in terms of a vote, that's up for? I

602
01:12:01,158 --> 01:12:03,518
guess the mary's chair of council determine where we are.

603
01:12:05,346 --> 01:12:07,706
But the idea was that we would be recommending as

604
01:12:07,706 --> 01:12:09,866
a police board that we go ahead. With project in

605
01:12:09,866 --> 01:12:15,889
2026. Just for everybody. That memo wasn't aimed just at

606
01:12:15,889 --> 01:12:18,289
the mayor of Strasbourne. That went everywhere. There are some

607
01:12:18,289 --> 01:12:22,409
mayors who've done some rather drastic things. To the police

608
01:12:22,409 --> 01:12:26,132
by themselves anyways. Go ahead, councilor. So I guess just

609
01:12:26,132 --> 01:12:28,452
as a follow up to that, then being into your

610
01:12:28,452 --> 01:12:33,220
budget. Mr. Mary. You could say that. You just want

611
01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:34,940
to without calling specific lineup. It was just give them.

612
01:12:36,926 --> 01:12:39,006
Their call it twelve and a half million they're asking

613
01:12:39,006 --> 01:12:41,326
for and say that's why you got to figure out

614
01:12:41,326 --> 01:12:43,846
how you're going to spend it, and you're not saying

615
01:12:43,846 --> 01:12:45,526
different live Ms. You could still say that and keep

616
01:12:45,526 --> 01:12:49,346
the budget the same as you've done it. Or you

617
01:12:49,346 --> 01:12:51,386
could say, have your extra. So, ten and a half

618
01:12:51,386 --> 01:12:57,520
million. Yeah. So I did see clarity today from the

619
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,000
ministry. As I said, clarity on whether or not it's

620
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,680
operating capital. The deputy mayor is with me and heard

621
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,960
the conversation, so I expect over the next day or

622
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,000
so to get clarity that it's both capital and operating.

623
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,686
I suspect it is both. Before we pull the trigger

624
01:13:13,686 --> 01:13:16,945
on anything. They just want to ensure they were referencing

625
01:13:16,945 --> 01:13:24,470
both. Custard Pelletman strictly from a process perspective, since you're

626
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:31,931
only presenting the budget tonight. We could add the request

627
01:13:31,931 --> 01:13:35,611
in. We're not deciding that we're approving anything. Tonight. That

628
01:13:35,611 --> 01:13:40,560
is correct. Council still has the authority to say yay

629
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,940
or nay to the final number only. So I would

630
01:13:44,940 --> 01:13:50,320
suggest that we added in. As the board had originally

631
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,000
requested. It's not like it's a new project. It's not

632
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,530
like we didn't know. It wasn't happening. We all know

633
01:13:56,530 --> 01:14:00,331
that the costing was being done. So I would suggest

634
01:14:00,331 --> 01:14:04,032
we just added it in the request. If you require

635
01:14:04,032 --> 01:14:05,672
that as a motion, then we're not going to take

636
01:14:05,672 --> 01:14:08,792
any motions at council. This is just presentation. It'd be

637
01:14:08,792 --> 01:14:13,346
further. Bring motions and that towards it, but we know

638
01:14:13,346 --> 01:14:18,465
it's out there. Councilor Derbyshire. Thank you. I'm not going

639
01:14:18,465 --> 01:14:24,379
to pick a part line items. I just want to

640
01:14:24,379 --> 01:14:28,782
start by saying this is a budget meeting. What I

641
01:14:28,782 --> 01:14:31,782
bring forward doesn't mean this is what I want to

642
01:14:31,782 --> 01:14:33,742
happen. I just want to point out some budget things.

643
01:14:35,162 --> 01:14:38,722
So I realize it's a place service board, and trust

644
01:14:38,722 --> 01:14:40,482
me, I don't really. Want to anger the police service.

645
01:14:42,277 --> 01:14:44,444
But. I do want to make some points as a

646
01:14:44,444 --> 01:14:50,687
counselor. That when I look at. The 8.9 million from,

647
01:14:50,687 --> 01:14:55,090
I'm going to say, the 2025 budget. Just because I

648
01:14:55,090 --> 01:14:59,735
don't know exactly where that number ended up. And I

649
01:14:59,735 --> 01:15:02,375
take that number. And I don't think NG 9111 had

650
01:15:02,375 --> 01:15:04,615
any money in there. But I could be exactly wrong.

651
01:15:04,615 --> 01:15:08,895
I don't know. I divide that by 10,500 households, which

652
01:15:08,895 --> 01:15:12,477
is about what we have in stratroy care, doc. Is

653
01:15:12,477 --> 01:15:14,197
as close as I can get because, again, we don't

654
01:15:14,197 --> 01:15:20,509
have all those numbers. I get $857 per household for

655
01:15:20,509 --> 01:15:25,433
this service, which. Probably is not bad. I'm going to

656
01:15:25,433 --> 01:15:28,273
go with the comparator because I heard that earlier from

657
01:15:28,273 --> 01:15:31,953
the chair where he compared wages. If I go to

658
01:15:31,953 --> 01:15:37,826
our comparator of the OPP. Their 2025 cost per household

659
01:15:37,826 --> 01:15:43,702
was 399. So I just want us to be aware.

660
01:15:45,062 --> 01:15:49,156
Of where that is and what we're getting. For the

661
01:15:49,156 --> 01:15:54,453
extra money. And. I totally understand. How long the service

662
01:15:54,453 --> 01:15:57,973
has been here. We all have a deep attachment to

663
01:15:57,973 --> 01:16:01,613
it, but I preference this to? I'm going to use

664
01:16:01,613 --> 01:16:05,202
the farming. Term a combine. I've always driven a combine.

665
01:16:05,202 --> 01:16:07,802
I've always owned a combine. A combine now is a

666
01:16:07,802 --> 01:16:11,838
million dollars. So I don't have the acres anymore to

667
01:16:11,838 --> 01:16:17,469
justify the million dollar combine. It's cheaper and more cost

668
01:16:17,469 --> 01:16:21,669
effective for my farm to hire my neighbor. His trucks,

669
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:26,448
his trailers. And have that done that way. That doesn't

670
01:16:26,448 --> 01:16:28,608
mean I don't want to sit in that combine and

671
01:16:28,608 --> 01:16:30,248
combine and. I don't want to see it in my

672
01:16:30,248 --> 01:16:35,213
shit. The emotional attachment to a combine. I get it.

673
01:16:35,213 --> 01:16:39,242
Emotional attachment to the police force. I get it. But

674
01:16:39,242 --> 01:16:42,282
from a business standpoint and a numbers standpoint, I do

675
01:16:42,282 --> 01:16:45,602
believe this is something that honestly before we spend $9

676
01:16:45,602 --> 01:16:50,032
million on an expansion. This is something that really needs

677
01:16:50,032 --> 01:16:55,448
to be considered. From a business standpoint, not from. I

678
01:16:55,448 --> 01:16:57,008
used to work here. This is the greatest. We do

679
01:16:57,008 --> 01:17:01,000
have great people working here. I don't want to downplay

680
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,967
that. From a cost comparison. It doesn't work. And doesn't

681
01:17:04,967 --> 01:17:10,519
it work? I do think that. 's a big gap.

682
01:17:10,985 --> 01:17:14,378
We're not talking 50 or $60. That's a lot per

683
01:17:14,378 --> 01:17:19,737
household. But again, like I say, I just want to

684
01:17:19,737 --> 01:17:22,017
have a conversation about it. I don't want it to

685
01:17:22,017 --> 01:17:24,137
be like, oh, Derbyshire wants to get rid of the

686
01:17:24,137 --> 01:17:26,777
cops. I want to have an op. Sorry? The police.

687
01:17:28,775 --> 01:17:38,083
Ended there. Any other call, Counselor Hippel. Through yourself. Actually,

688
01:17:38,083 --> 01:17:42,267
I assumed that someone would bring that up because. These

689
01:17:42,267 --> 01:17:45,787
are things that happen in communities when you have your

690
01:17:45,787 --> 01:17:51,022
own. Police force and comparators are good things. You need

691
01:17:51,022 --> 01:17:52,822
to talk about it. It needs to. Be brought up.

692
01:17:52,822 --> 01:17:57,805
It needs to be discussed. And whether it's personal or

693
01:17:57,805 --> 01:18:01,651
it's just numbers. It's still one of those things where

694
01:18:01,651 --> 01:18:05,638
you do even though you can't compare. It because. It's

695
01:18:05,638 --> 01:18:08,358
monetary and it's a business versus the personal side of

696
01:18:08,358 --> 01:18:11,638
it, I think. It's hard not to sometimes. Only because.

697
01:18:12,940 --> 01:18:15,900
With the amount of, and I am going to use

698
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:20,473
the mental health issues that we have. I don't know,

699
01:18:20,473 --> 01:18:25,230
outside communities, because. I would be stepping outside my boundary

700
01:18:25,230 --> 01:18:29,601
there. But within our municipality, the issues that we have.

701
01:18:31,249 --> 01:18:35,340
It does. Bringing the personal side into it almost. As

702
01:18:35,340 --> 01:18:40,039
necessary, because. They understand the community they know the community

703
01:18:40,039 --> 01:18:42,639
they've been in, the community they work in. The community.

704
01:18:42,639 --> 01:18:45,439
They know the businesses, they know the people. And you

705
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,119
have to have to have a bit of that personal

706
01:18:48,119 --> 01:18:51,079
side of it to bring it into the comparators. That's

707
01:18:51,079 --> 01:18:53,319
all I'm saying. But I do get what you're saying,

708
01:18:53,319 --> 01:18:57,711
because if you don't, have the conversation. You can't talk,

709
01:18:57,711 --> 01:19:01,031
right? But that's the only reason I wanted to say

710
01:19:01,031 --> 01:19:05,421
something. Because it's good to bring them both together. Councilor

711
01:19:05,421 --> 01:19:08,221
McGuire and councilor Pelletman, and we'll wrap up this portion.

712
01:19:09,659 --> 01:19:13,851
Thank you. So. It's always the conversation to have, and

713
01:19:13,851 --> 01:19:16,967
we've seen it happen across the province. Many, many times.

714
01:19:18,602 --> 01:19:21,562
But I will say the comparison of the OPP to

715
01:19:21,562 --> 01:19:25,402
Strathroy caradok play. Surface is an apples and an oranges

716
01:19:25,402 --> 01:19:29,207
comparison. Yes, they both say police on their shoulders, but.

717
01:19:30,999 --> 01:19:33,479
The way they do their work is completely different. So

718
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,279
the OPP province wide. So if you're taking. If they're

719
01:19:37,279 --> 01:19:40,679
giving you a province wide number, that would be vastly

720
01:19:40,679 --> 01:19:43,559
different. Than their number if they were policing in a

721
01:19:43,559 --> 01:19:47,519
municipality. And we know that from looking where they've taken

722
01:19:47,519 --> 01:19:53,151
over communities such as orange. Orangeville. I'm going from memory.

723
01:19:53,151 --> 01:19:55,871
Ten years ago. But there's a number of you go.

724
01:19:55,871 --> 01:19:57,431
Back and you can look and then you can start

725
01:19:57,431 --> 01:20:00,831
to see. We compare the policing costs in a community.

726
01:20:02,591 --> 01:20:06,351
So opt is not a comparator for strategy. Caradok police.

727
01:20:06,351 --> 01:20:11,051
It never has been. There are comparators that they use

728
01:20:11,051 --> 01:20:15,368
that would give you a better judgment. So. That scale

729
01:20:15,368 --> 01:20:20,079
that suddenly tipped one way. I don't want the conversation

730
01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:24,263
to start from that point because. That's not councilor coffin.

731
01:20:26,189 --> 01:20:34,358
Councilor Pellkman. I do understand there's a cost difference.

732
01:20:37,175 --> 01:20:42,035
From my time on the board. That promise might cost

733
01:20:42,035 --> 01:20:46,518
difference include. Places like Adelaide, Mag. Where there's not a

734
01:20:46,518 --> 01:20:50,184
whole lot of activity. Versus our municipality. And one of

735
01:20:50,184 --> 01:20:52,784
the factors that you have to include is the fact

736
01:20:52,784 --> 01:20:56,359
that we have a hospital here, and I myself. When

737
01:20:56,359 --> 01:21:01,983
my mom was a frequent visitor to the hospital. Witnessed

738
01:21:01,983 --> 01:21:07,153
four officers having to stand. Over. A person they had

739
01:21:07,153 --> 01:21:10,073
brought in because he needed to be restrained and they

740
01:21:10,073 --> 01:21:14,750
couldn't leave. Until. Whatever episode he was having. That's a

741
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:16,670
cause that a lot of municipalities don't have to bear.

742
01:21:20,285 --> 01:21:28,207
Certainly things that you have to bring in discussion. Like,

743
01:21:28,207 --> 01:21:32,527
we probably would still have to update our police station

744
01:21:32,527 --> 01:21:35,331
because they wouldn't be able to use. The one out

745
01:21:35,331 --> 01:21:37,811
of may have for the ingredients and service and the

746
01:21:37,811 --> 01:21:42,212
increase in service or whatever. Service you get. Depends on

747
01:21:42,212 --> 01:21:47,884
what you negotiate. And if you negotiate the bare bottom,

748
01:21:47,884 --> 01:21:49,684
there's going to be times where there'll be no police

749
01:21:49,684 --> 01:21:55,198
officers. In our municipality. I'm not sure that that's something

750
01:21:55,198 --> 01:21:58,998
that we want. I know. Just speaking from one example,

751
01:21:58,998 --> 01:22:02,479
from a business side of things. When I was working

752
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:07,329
for Superstore. There are full time security people at Superstore.

753
01:22:07,329 --> 01:22:10,769
We were a target for professional fees. Where people would

754
01:22:10,769 --> 01:22:18,743
regularly walk out with $1,000 plus worth of groceries. In

755
01:22:18,743 --> 01:22:24,868
an op environment. We would have to sit on that

756
01:22:24,868 --> 01:22:29,973
thief that was caught with two staff members. Until an

757
01:22:29,973 --> 01:22:32,653
officer was available, which could be five or 6 hours,

758
01:22:32,653 --> 01:22:36,533
whereas with the municipal service that is not a cost

759
01:22:36,533 --> 01:22:38,693
that they would have to bear their officer there almost

760
01:22:38,693 --> 01:22:43,928
immediately. So there's lots of things to consider. It's the

761
01:22:43,928 --> 01:22:46,863
discussion that ever takes place. It's not just about the

762
01:22:46,863 --> 01:22:49,783
final number. It's about what kind of service you want.

763
01:22:51,226 --> 01:22:53,626
And what kind of services you have to provide in

764
01:22:53,626 --> 01:22:59,747
the community. And one thing that I will say? For

765
01:22:59,747 --> 01:23:04,198
having your own service. And this discussion really came out.

766
01:23:05,927 --> 01:23:10,446
When. The carting issue was a big issue about ten

767
01:23:10,446 --> 01:23:14,437
years ago. Is carding didn't take place in the Strathroy

768
01:23:14,437 --> 01:23:18,725
caradock because. Our members knew who the people were. And

769
01:23:18,725 --> 01:23:20,925
if they were pulling somebody over, it wasn't. Because it

770
01:23:20,925 --> 01:23:23,285
was based on the race. It was because they knew

771
01:23:23,285 --> 01:23:27,579
they weren't from our municipality. Just the fact that they

772
01:23:27,579 --> 01:23:31,339
know the people. And I'll always say I never had

773
01:23:31,339 --> 01:23:36,322
an appreciation until. Spending the time in the police services

774
01:23:36,322 --> 01:23:39,762
board how much discretion an officer has to use in

775
01:23:39,762 --> 01:23:45,379
a heartbeat. That affects someone's life. And I'm not sure.

776
01:23:46,529 --> 01:23:50,075
That if it was one of my children. At the

777
01:23:50,075 --> 01:23:52,878
age of 18 or 20. That I want an officer

778
01:23:52,878 --> 01:23:56,398
that doesn't know the community dealing with the situation that

779
01:23:56,398 --> 01:23:59,735
they've been in because they made a mistake. I would

780
01:23:59,735 --> 01:24:01,415
rather have an officer that knows in her stands or

781
01:24:01,415 --> 01:24:04,746
a community deal with them that's a personal point. But

782
01:24:04,746 --> 01:24:08,506
the discretion that the officers got to use in very

783
01:24:08,506 --> 01:24:13,005
short time period at the time of the incident. Is

784
01:24:13,005 --> 01:24:16,403
immense and. You also want to make sure that they

785
01:24:16,403 --> 01:24:19,283
have the resources available to them that shouldn't. Incident occur

786
01:24:19,283 --> 01:24:23,002
in your own home? That they have the time to

787
01:24:23,002 --> 01:24:26,682
be thorough and not make a mistake so that if

788
01:24:26,682 --> 01:24:30,587
something does go to court. It doesn't fall apart because

789
01:24:30,587 --> 01:24:36,100
the officer made a mistake on the scene. Scenes. Those

790
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:40,211
are all great points. They're all personal, they're all emotional.

791
01:24:42,018 --> 01:24:44,098
The Orangeville case. I just want to clarify. I spoke

792
01:24:44,098 --> 01:24:50,145
with Orangeville directly. Orangeville saved $4.5 million. You don't want

793
01:24:50,145 --> 01:24:53,263
to get into that. The other thing is. We can't

794
01:24:53,263 --> 01:24:55,783
change one line item here. So you all talk about,

795
01:24:55,783 --> 01:24:57,703
oh, we're getting this service and we're getting this and

796
01:24:57,703 --> 01:24:59,743
we're getting that. But you say OpP might not do

797
01:24:59,743 --> 01:25:03,143
that, but on the other hand, you'll say, well, Opp

798
01:25:03,143 --> 01:25:05,503
will build the service. Or you can build whatever service

799
01:25:05,503 --> 01:25:09,905
you want, right? So on one hand, we're like, OPP

800
01:25:09,905 --> 01:25:12,265
might not do that for us, but if you build

801
01:25:12,265 --> 01:25:15,025
the same service and do the same comparison and come

802
01:25:15,025 --> 01:25:17,985
up with the same money all you're left with are

803
01:25:17,985 --> 01:25:20,265
these same stories where you go, well, I just want

804
01:25:20,265 --> 01:25:23,585
a friendly. Face. I get it. When I spoke to

805
01:25:23,585 --> 01:25:27,647
the OPP about it, they said they. Will transfer our

806
01:25:27,647 --> 01:25:32,462
officers to OPP officers if they wanted. I'm just saying,

807
01:25:32,462 --> 01:25:35,742
take the emotion out of it and look at it

808
01:25:35,742 --> 01:25:38,462
from a business. Standpoint. And if you want to compare

809
01:25:38,462 --> 01:25:41,702
apples to apples, then build the program like this and

810
01:25:41,702 --> 01:25:43,862
say to the op? Here's what we want. What's it

811
01:25:43,862 --> 01:25:48,662
cost? That's apples to apples, because police officers are police

812
01:25:48,662 --> 01:25:50,862
officers and they're all trained and they're, all going to

813
01:25:50,862 --> 01:25:53,729
do the same. Due diligence that they are trained to

814
01:25:53,729 --> 01:25:56,969
do and be the people they are, whether it says

815
01:25:56,969 --> 01:26:00,249
op or stratford care dock on their sleeve because that's

816
01:26:00,249 --> 01:26:02,129
what they sign up for. And that's what they go

817
01:26:02,129 --> 01:26:06,210
through school for. So that's all I'm saying to you.

818
01:26:06,210 --> 01:26:08,650
We could build this program and opp. Could say, yeah,

819
01:26:08,650 --> 01:26:12,410
it's $900 per household. Now we know we're getting better

820
01:26:12,410 --> 01:26:16,896
service, better deal, better whatever. Out of our people. I

821
01:26:16,896 --> 01:26:19,509
don't want this to be. Derbyshire wants to get rid

822
01:26:19,509 --> 01:26:22,189
of our police force. I want it to be looked

823
01:26:22,189 --> 01:26:26,429
at like it's? A business. Which it is. That's all

824
01:26:26,429 --> 01:26:30,584
I'm asking. Don't. Put the whole emotional. Thing into it.

825
01:26:32,395 --> 01:26:34,755
Thanks, councilor. And I think it's okay to say cops.

826
01:26:34,755 --> 01:26:37,915
I don't think. You'll be offended by it. Chief deputy

827
01:26:37,915 --> 01:26:43,463
chief chair hall, thank you for attending night and. We'll

828
01:26:43,463 --> 01:26:51,275
reconvene. Thank you. So.

829
01:26:55,283 --> 01:26:57,963
I should tell you, chief, in 1 minute I'm going

830
01:26:57,963 --> 01:26:59,683
to come back and ask to sit where you are.

831
01:27:01,567 --> 01:27:04,007
Sit and listen to ours. We'll now move to the

832
01:27:04,007 --> 01:27:07,807
2026 proposed budget and with that I'm going to ask

833
01:27:07,807 --> 01:27:09,567
the deputy mayor to take the chair seat.

834
01:27:21,753 --> 01:27:28,219
What do we do? Can I just ask something before

835
01:27:28,219 --> 01:27:34,955
we move on to the next one? What did we

836
01:27:34,955 --> 01:27:38,595
establish with what we're doing with this police service board

837
01:27:38,595 --> 01:27:42,395
meet or this police budget. Is it coming back as

838
01:27:42,395 --> 01:27:45,155
the one that was voted in by the board, or

839
01:27:45,155 --> 01:27:46,875
are we to work off of this for the next.

840
01:27:49,266 --> 01:27:52,759
Till the next meeting. What did we determine out of

841
01:27:52,759 --> 01:27:55,919
what happened here? Because they said this budget isn't right.

842
01:27:55,919 --> 01:27:59,803
So what are we doing? Not through you. To whoever

843
01:27:59,803 --> 01:28:03,357
wants to answer that. That's a really good question. And

844
01:28:03,357 --> 01:28:06,397
probably that gentleman standing up back there and rejacket. Should

845
01:28:06,397 --> 01:28:08,317
answer that one for us. We'll just wait for him

846
01:28:08,317 --> 01:28:11,197
to take the seat. Yeah. No, just before we moved

847
01:28:11,197 --> 01:28:13,397
on to our budget. I just wanted to know, how

848
01:28:13,397 --> 01:28:16,277
do we. Analyze that one going forward, whether or not

849
01:28:16,277 --> 01:28:18,597
we're going to put the cost of the building into

850
01:28:18,597 --> 01:28:24,653
that document. Which I understand what you're asking. Different back

851
01:28:24,653 --> 01:28:27,653
here. And thank for the question. I can answer that

852
01:28:27,653 --> 01:28:31,373
chair. There are two ways that could go, counselor.

853
01:28:37,254 --> 01:28:42,649
Counselor could bring. An amendment forward to add it in.

854
01:28:42,649 --> 01:28:45,569
That's one way. The second way is I could. Get

855
01:28:45,569 --> 01:28:49,209
my response back from the minister of municipal affairs saying

856
01:28:49,209 --> 01:28:51,649
that I had no business taking it. Out and put

857
01:28:51,649 --> 01:28:54,409
it back in. So we all know that for the

858
01:28:54,409 --> 01:28:59,468
next meeting. So there's. Two ways I could go. Well,

859
01:28:59,468 --> 01:29:02,331
I just want to ask this. If your proposed budget,

860
01:29:02,331 --> 01:29:04,811
which I understand, you shouldn't have taken the line bar

861
01:29:04,811 --> 01:29:08,011
out, right? But if your budget is, we're only giving

862
01:29:08,011 --> 01:29:11,423
you 10 million this year. Would that mean? You put

863
01:29:11,423 --> 01:29:14,383
that line budget back in and you say you find

864
01:29:14,383 --> 01:29:19,266
out. Because that's what council, that's what we would have

865
01:29:19,266 --> 01:29:21,506
the right to do, is say we're only going to

866
01:29:21,506 --> 01:29:26,292
give you 10 million or ten point whatever million. Or

867
01:29:26,292 --> 01:29:30,333
can the mayor not do that at all? Strictly a

868
01:29:30,333 --> 01:29:33,853
council thing, so. Yeah, it's strictly. It would be strictly

869
01:29:33,853 --> 01:29:37,013
a castle thing under. The strong mayors, it's going to

870
01:29:37,013 --> 01:29:40,693
say 100% certain that the strong mayor can't. Touch the

871
01:29:40,693 --> 01:29:45,807
operating budget, which I didn't do. Probably about 95% of

872
01:29:45,807 --> 01:29:49,847
the strong mayor can't touch the capital, so that's pretty

873
01:29:49,847 --> 01:29:52,513
well been determined. I guess my question is, does the

874
01:29:52,513 --> 01:29:56,384
strong mayor have the same authority? Over that budget that

875
01:29:56,384 --> 01:29:58,784
council would have. If not, then it has to go

876
01:29:58,784 --> 01:30:02,603
back to what they voted on. Yes. Answer your question

877
01:30:02,603 --> 01:30:06,123
directly. I have no authority over the police. Okay, so

878
01:30:06,123 --> 01:30:08,363
then there's not even a debate. We just get the

879
01:30:08,363 --> 01:30:12,048
one that they want presented to us. And then it's

880
01:30:12,048 --> 01:30:14,248
council's duty to do whatever they want with it. Yes.

881
01:30:14,248 --> 01:30:19,595
Okay. Just give me one moment here. I see. I

882
01:30:19,595 --> 01:30:24,374
want to ask Rob a question. It seems to me

883
01:30:24,374 --> 01:30:33,607
that if. There's. Refreshing. It should just be put back

884
01:30:33,607 --> 01:30:38,116
in. I did hear the question pulled by the mayor

885
01:30:38,116 --> 01:30:43,863
when he was talking to the ministry. And I was

886
01:30:43,863 --> 01:30:45,463
doing a lot of reading on it today after talking

887
01:30:45,463 --> 01:30:48,583
to Bowen and watching the emails go back and forth.

888
01:30:48,583 --> 01:30:51,463
Here's my take of it. You may not agree, but

889
01:30:51,463 --> 01:30:55,543
I believe that when the police service is board pushed

890
01:30:55,543 --> 01:31:00,590
a budget through to us, That is the one we

891
01:31:00,590 --> 01:31:04,559
should be dealing with tonight. Which is inclusive of the

892
01:31:04,559 --> 01:31:12,221
10.5 and change. For the building annex. It's not in

893
01:31:12,221 --> 01:31:18,831
there. I know. I understand. That's what I'm saying. It

894
01:31:18,831 --> 01:31:23,791
should be that document. It would be 12 million. The

895
01:31:23,791 --> 01:31:26,271
total capital. Right. Well, you would add that line item

896
01:31:26,271 --> 01:31:29,551
back in. So the line item for. The building annex.

897
01:31:29,551 --> 01:31:31,751
I think what we're going to find out coming back

898
01:31:31,751 --> 01:31:35,031
and the way I feel about it anyways is not

899
01:31:35,031 --> 01:31:38,351
because I'm sitting here, but sitting down there. Is that

900
01:31:38,351 --> 01:31:46,556
the billing annex number should appear. In that document. And

901
01:31:46,556 --> 01:31:49,156
then if, because we're not supposed to take line items

902
01:31:49,156 --> 01:31:55,115
up and it's lineup. So it should be there. That

903
01:31:55,115 --> 01:31:57,195
being said, the next part of this process after tonight.

904
01:31:59,035 --> 01:32:03,555
Is council sitting and we do the written amendments that

905
01:32:03,555 --> 01:32:08,610
process. And that's when we could start adjusting not line

906
01:32:08,610 --> 01:32:14,507
items, but. Total budget. So the budget then goes. From.

907
01:32:15,851 --> 01:32:20,508
Ten point whatever. To 21 million because the building has

908
01:32:20,508 --> 01:32:23,348
to go back into it. It's been approved by the

909
01:32:23,348 --> 01:32:30,486
board, councilor pammer. So my question then is. Or my

910
01:32:30,486 --> 01:32:35,930
comment or question is why? So we're looking at. The

911
01:32:35,930 --> 01:32:40,394
budget presented tonight is not the correct budget. It's not

912
01:32:40,394 --> 01:32:43,408
going to be the actual budget. So why would we

913
01:32:43,408 --> 01:32:46,524
spend time. When all the numbers are going to change

914
01:32:46,524 --> 01:32:50,044
significantly and how we use reverse, et cetera, is there

915
01:32:50,044 --> 01:32:54,179
any point? And even looking at this budget tonight, does

916
01:32:54,179 --> 01:32:58,819
the mayor who's proposing the budget wish to withdraw and

917
01:32:58,819 --> 01:33:01,259
then resubmit. It just seems odd to me. We're going

918
01:33:01,259 --> 01:33:03,859
to talk. About. We're going to be at $10 million

919
01:33:03,859 --> 01:33:10,169
out in this. Can I answer that? John has his

920
01:33:10,169 --> 01:33:15,096
hand up, so. Fair question, counselor. I think. It does

921
01:33:15,096 --> 01:33:18,736
affect it. But again, I'm not going to withdraw the

922
01:33:18,736 --> 01:33:22,706
budget because the majority of it. Is. In this, the

923
01:33:22,706 --> 01:33:26,186
poll. So I'm here after reading or getting the memo

924
01:33:26,186 --> 01:33:32,930
from two ministers. My hat is as strictly as. The

925
01:33:32,930 --> 01:33:38,059
present. The municipal budget this evening. The police budget. I

926
01:33:38,059 --> 01:33:40,539
mean, we know there's going to be $12 million that

927
01:33:40,539 --> 01:33:43,499
we're probably going to have to put into it. There's

928
01:33:43,499 --> 01:33:47,899
a chance they may come. Back and say, yes, mayor,

929
01:33:47,899 --> 01:33:50,659
you can remove a capital item at that point in

930
01:33:50,659 --> 01:33:53,260
time. I will be leaving it out, and I'll leave

931
01:33:53,260 --> 01:33:54,860
it up to the will and council. To put it

932
01:33:54,860 --> 01:33:59,282
back in. If that's the ruling by the ministry. So

933
01:33:59,282 --> 01:34:01,602
if they were to come back, that chance. Where they

934
01:34:01,602 --> 01:34:07,002
say, yes, strong mirrors can remove capital items. That item

935
01:34:07,002 --> 01:34:08,842
would still remain out. And then it would be the

936
01:34:08,842 --> 01:34:11,922
will of council. So just 1 second, John, can we

937
01:34:11,922 --> 01:34:14,122
move forward with the idea because they don't know exactly

938
01:34:14,122 --> 01:34:16,482
how this is going to laid and all we're. Really

939
01:34:16,482 --> 01:34:18,882
doing. Tonight is receiving these presentations. That's all you're doing.

940
01:34:20,549 --> 01:34:24,531
Okay, but hang on. So then what we do is

941
01:34:24,531 --> 01:34:26,771
move forward tonight because we have another budget in front

942
01:34:26,771 --> 01:34:29,443
of us. In due course, we're going to find out

943
01:34:29,443 --> 01:34:31,563
whether or not that line item could ever be removed.

944
01:34:32,869 --> 01:34:35,389
If it could not be removed, then the budget goes

945
01:34:35,389 --> 01:34:39,309
back to what Matt hauled and his board. Submitted to

946
01:34:39,309 --> 01:34:43,933
counsel. And at the worst, we have to call a

947
01:34:43,933 --> 01:34:47,720
quick meeting to receive that. Budget, put a motion in

948
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:54,393
place. To assume. It, and then. We'll continue on with

949
01:34:54,393 --> 01:34:56,913
the process of having our meetings and doing the written

950
01:34:56,913 --> 01:35:01,751
amendments. If the 10 million goes back in your debt

951
01:35:01,751 --> 01:35:05,311
schedule is wrong, all your numbers start to change. Because

952
01:35:05,311 --> 01:35:10,758
you're adding 10 million into the budget. Our municipal budget.

953
01:35:11,950 --> 01:35:15,232
So every number that you've put up. Not every number,

954
01:35:15,232 --> 01:35:18,512
but so many of them will change. Cost to change

955
01:35:18,512 --> 01:35:20,912
or your percentage has to. Change, you're going to increase.

956
01:35:22,542 --> 01:35:27,593
Your chair. Because I can explain that. Go ahead. John.

957
01:35:27,593 --> 01:35:28,873
And then we got to find a way to move

958
01:35:28,873 --> 01:35:31,033
forward because the clock is ticking and we're getting over,

959
01:35:31,033 --> 01:35:37,988
John. Thank you very much. If that's okay. The annex,

960
01:35:37,988 --> 01:35:46,670
the renovation. There's money in police service reserves, and the

961
01:35:46,670 --> 01:35:49,750
rest would be borrowed over time, it would change the

962
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:53,583
debt schedules. However, it would not change the levy. Okay.

963
01:35:53,583 --> 01:35:56,023
The amount of money that's being asked for on the

964
01:35:56,023 --> 01:35:57,983
levee is going to remain the same in terms of

965
01:35:57,983 --> 01:36:01,503
this year municipal budget so it's 9.88. I think and

966
01:36:01,503 --> 01:36:04,983
it have about the same amount, say a 2% increase,

967
01:36:04,983 --> 01:36:09,715
a 2% effect on the overall budget. So whether the

968
01:36:09,715 --> 01:36:12,515
capital budget goes ahead or it doesn't go ahead for

969
01:36:12,515 --> 01:36:16,410
the renovation, The levy on the police budget is going

970
01:36:16,410 --> 01:36:20,387
to remain the same at 9.88. So it's not going

971
01:36:20,387 --> 01:36:23,227
to change the numbers for this year, just not taxes.

972
01:36:24,872 --> 01:36:27,672
Grant, you have a final word? I just have something

973
01:36:27,672 --> 01:36:33,136
else on it. Councilor Willie. I'm using everybody's first name.

974
01:36:33,136 --> 01:36:35,616
My apologies. Mine was on a different but related point

975
01:36:35,616 --> 01:36:39,321
not necessarily on the police annex. Which is on the

976
01:36:39,321 --> 01:36:41,281
budget pieces that we came through. There's a number where

977
01:36:41,281 --> 01:36:44,761
the titles of the documents are draft and there's typos

978
01:36:44,761 --> 01:36:50,604
and there's incomplete paragraphs. And descriptions aren't there. And the

979
01:36:50,604 --> 01:36:52,764
tax calculation. I'm going to use the agriculture one. That

980
01:36:52,764 --> 01:36:56,644
was off as well. The debt schedules are including interest

981
01:36:56,644 --> 01:37:00,975
and principle and the outstanding. Principle. At the end of

982
01:37:00,975 --> 01:37:03,695
the year, the numbers are wrong. There's mistakes on half

983
01:37:03,695 --> 01:37:05,535
of the documents that are in front of us and

984
01:37:05,535 --> 01:37:09,074
they say all draft and template. I just want to

985
01:37:09,074 --> 01:37:11,394
ask again. Is the mayor comfortable that these are the

986
01:37:11,394 --> 01:37:13,514
documents he wants, counsel? To look at with all of

987
01:37:13,514 --> 01:37:16,274
those errors in them. And that's what we're going to

988
01:37:16,274 --> 01:37:18,954
review when we're already changing? Councilor. What? I'm comfortable doing

989
01:37:18,954 --> 01:37:24,206
this. Evening is presenting the budget as proposed. I'm very

990
01:37:24,206 --> 01:37:27,595
comfortable presenting the numbers. So in terms of typos, If

991
01:37:27,595 --> 01:37:29,955
they're going to change somebody's mind is what the numbers

992
01:37:29,955 --> 01:37:32,675
are. I'll. Grant that there may be the word draft,

993
01:37:32,675 --> 01:37:37,363
or maybe. Grammatical errors. But, councilor, I'm here tonight to

994
01:37:37,363 --> 01:37:40,483
present a proposed budget, and that is. The key word

995
01:37:40,483 --> 01:37:45,226
is proposed. Things like looking at the possibility of the

996
01:37:45,226 --> 01:37:48,266
annex. We'd have other meetings that are to come up.

997
01:37:48,266 --> 01:37:52,483
So if there are any concerns regarding. Grammatical errors or

998
01:37:52,483 --> 01:37:56,883
typos or numbers that may be incorrect, bring them forward

999
01:37:56,883 --> 01:37:59,683
to the director. Of finance or the manager of finance.

1000
01:37:59,683 --> 01:38:04,243
Buy them here tonight, Jared, just to present a proposed

1001
01:38:04,243 --> 01:38:08,099
draft. Budget. That's what I'm prepared to do. Chair. Okay.

1002
01:38:09,506 --> 01:38:11,466
Present your budget. Thank you. And I do, by the

1003
01:38:11,466 --> 01:38:15,407
way, I just want to comment. I do. Understand. Like

1004
01:38:15,407 --> 01:38:18,419
everybody. The questions and for life, or better word, the

1005
01:38:18,419 --> 01:38:22,912
Yanks regarding. The strong mayor powers and presenting the budget

1006
01:38:22,912 --> 01:38:26,591
I have just tried to follow. The process that's laid

1007
01:38:26,591 --> 01:38:30,613
out, and that is. The responsibility of the merit to

1008
01:38:30,613 --> 01:38:33,053
present a proposed budget. So that's what I am here.

1009
01:38:33,053 --> 01:38:35,413
To do this evening, but I'm going to start just.

1010
01:38:35,413 --> 01:38:36,853
I want to go over some. Numbers, and I'm going

1011
01:38:36,853 --> 01:38:38,573
to turn it over to Lindsay to go through and.

1012
01:38:40,073 --> 01:38:41,993
I want to thank the finance staff. I want to

1013
01:38:41,993 --> 01:38:46,953
thank director Dacon, manager Lasky, Lindsay and Amy for being

1014
01:38:46,953 --> 01:38:48,673
a great help. They've put up with a lot of

1015
01:38:48,673 --> 01:38:53,033
questions, even. As late as this morning or my coffee.

1016
01:38:53,033 --> 01:38:56,113
I ask some questions, so I am going to start.

1017
01:38:56,113 --> 01:39:00,366
Because now, knowing that. The mayor doesn't really have much

1018
01:39:00,366 --> 01:39:06,043
input or say. Into the police budget, I may have

1019
01:39:06,043 --> 01:39:09,363
asked to have that line item removed separately from what

1020
01:39:09,363 --> 01:39:13,088
I want to propose tonight. Because. Strong air is strictly

1021
01:39:13,088 --> 01:39:17,135
responsible for. The municipal budget. I just want to point

1022
01:39:17,135 --> 01:39:19,215
out and not begin to pick on my friends and

1023
01:39:19,215 --> 01:39:22,655
the police or the police board, which I'm a member

1024
01:39:22,655 --> 01:39:29,766
of. The 4.5% increase that we're proposing. 2.92 increase is

1025
01:39:29,766 --> 01:39:37,241
from policing. Only one point. 6%. Is municipal budget. So

1026
01:39:37,241 --> 01:39:39,321
if we were to go back and present this to

1027
01:39:39,321 --> 01:39:42,674
the public, whatever the number may be. May ask to

1028
01:39:42,674 --> 01:39:48,852
report. That separately of 1.6%. That is, the tax rate

1029
01:39:48,852 --> 01:39:53,210
increase or the municipal portion of the budget. A couple

1030
01:39:53,210 --> 01:39:55,490
of other numbers I want to point out before I

1031
01:39:55,490 --> 01:40:01,299
proceed, because the county today. Did approve. Their increase, which

1032
01:40:01,299 --> 01:40:07,098
is 3.78. We'll all recall that the municipal portion is

1033
01:40:07,098 --> 01:40:14,562
57%. 32% is the county and 10%. Is education tax.

1034
01:40:16,115 --> 01:40:21,435
When you roll all of those in. 3.8% increase on

1035
01:40:21,435 --> 01:40:24,431
the tax bill. Me, that seems to be a fairly

1036
01:40:24,431 --> 01:40:29,092
responsible budget. But I'm not going to go through the

1037
01:40:29,092 --> 01:40:31,212
entire presentation. I believe Lindsey would do that. But I

1038
01:40:31,212 --> 01:40:33,212
just want to tell you what my thought process was.

1039
01:40:35,156 --> 01:40:38,196
And this will answer the question as why I removed.

1040
01:40:40,041 --> 01:40:42,521
The police annex do. Things went through my mind. I

1041
01:40:42,521 --> 01:40:44,761
am aware of Councilor Derbyshire. I remember. The line you

1042
01:40:44,761 --> 01:40:48,516
used. We have a pretty good credit card. But you

1043
01:40:48,516 --> 01:40:50,996
don't want to run it up. So I did remove

1044
01:40:50,996 --> 01:40:53,796
a couple of things. From debt and you look at

1045
01:40:53,796 --> 01:40:58,797
the original documents. Staff had proposed Head street. I believe

1046
01:40:58,797 --> 01:41:02,277
that was a $6 million pen. Maybe eight is rather

1047
01:41:02,277 --> 01:41:06,082
significant. There are a few things that I feel we

1048
01:41:06,082 --> 01:41:09,202
need to do before we proceed with any big debt.

1049
01:41:10,906 --> 01:41:12,346
Again. Councilor Derbyshire is right. We have a credit card.

1050
01:41:13,962 --> 01:41:17,082
You'll see reference in the document both the debt policy

1051
01:41:17,082 --> 01:41:21,185
we need to complete the debt. Policy. We need to.

1052
01:41:22,831 --> 01:41:26,351
Complete the asset management plan. We need to understand what

1053
01:41:26,351 --> 01:41:30,511
all the projects are, rather than every year. Going through

1054
01:41:30,511 --> 01:41:34,432
picking and choosing plans. We need to project. We need

1055
01:41:34,432 --> 01:41:38,032
to have a four year, multi year budget on capital

1056
01:41:38,032 --> 01:41:41,352
so that was my thought process on the debt. I

1057
01:41:41,352 --> 01:41:44,090
am aware of those things. We have spent a lot

1058
01:41:44,090 --> 01:41:49,721
of money in the past few years. On capital. Roads,

1059
01:41:49,721 --> 01:41:52,995
fire stations. I just think we need to take a

1060
01:41:52,995 --> 01:41:55,515
bit of a pause on our debt. Really understand where

1061
01:41:55,515 --> 01:42:01,357
we are before we proceed any further. There was. One

1062
01:42:01,357 --> 01:42:03,477
other part that I had my finger on, and that

1063
01:42:03,477 --> 01:42:10,846
was. On parks and recreation. Every year we move. Aside

1064
01:42:10,846 --> 01:42:13,726
projects on parks and back. You look at some of

1065
01:42:13,726 --> 01:42:19,560
the projects. They've been lingering since 2020. Those weren't initially

1066
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:24,047
approved. If you recall too. We had asked for parks

1067
01:42:24,047 --> 01:42:26,807
and get the wrong term, director Lilborn, but a part

1068
01:42:26,807 --> 01:42:33,324
condition report. That wasn't in the initial pass from staff.

1069
01:42:33,324 --> 01:42:37,404
I asked that all those items be put back in,

1070
01:42:37,404 --> 01:42:41,761
and I did so by asking. Let's use reserves. We

1071
01:42:41,761 --> 01:42:46,481
have a fairly healthy reserves of parks and recreation, but

1072
01:42:46,481 --> 01:42:49,801
to have items sit for five, six years and not

1073
01:42:49,801 --> 01:42:53,800
action them. That doesn't seem right to me. That was

1074
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,480
one place where I had my finger on is let's.

1075
01:42:57,919 --> 01:43:02,174
Get those projects done and. I've kept an email under

1076
01:43:02,174 --> 01:43:05,854
my blotter on my desk since August from the folks

1077
01:43:05,854 --> 01:43:09,206
that are. The adult baseball that you got a Yorkview

1078
01:43:09,206 --> 01:43:12,846
park for, I believe ten years they've been asking for

1079
01:43:12,846 --> 01:43:16,805
another field fence and a warning track. Number of times.

1080
01:43:17,979 --> 01:43:20,699
This year, games are postponed because the dugouts and the

1081
01:43:20,699 --> 01:43:25,346
clay. They weren't initially in there. Let's put them in

1082
01:43:25,346 --> 01:43:28,026
part of what we have. To do is be aware

1083
01:43:28,026 --> 01:43:32,301
of what the community wants. The other finger that I

1084
01:43:32,301 --> 01:43:37,011
had on the pie, if you will, was 137. Frank

1085
01:43:37,011 --> 01:43:42,331
Street Council had initially approved $500,000 to go towards that

1086
01:43:42,331 --> 01:43:47,477
project. I asked that we include another $500,000. Taking money

1087
01:43:47,477 --> 01:43:50,997
out of reserves. Let's complete that project. Need to complete

1088
01:43:50,997 --> 01:43:55,398
that project for two reasons. It's important for us as

1089
01:43:55,398 --> 01:43:58,789
a. Municipal staff or run out of space here. We

1090
01:43:58,789 --> 01:44:03,127
all know that it's part of the service strategy. But

1091
01:44:03,127 --> 01:44:04,487
the community is asking for that to be done. So

1092
01:44:04,487 --> 01:44:07,167
when I went through the budget, I looked at it

1093
01:44:07,167 --> 01:44:11,461
from debt and what the community wants. Another area where

1094
01:44:11,461 --> 01:44:16,254
I put. My. Use term where I asked to be

1095
01:44:16,254 --> 01:44:20,640
included. Were for the two new staff members initially. Staff

1096
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:22,600
left that out. I said we need to put those

1097
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:25,680
back in because they're part of a strategy. We created

1098
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:30,594
a strategy. A long term stopping strategy. To deviate from

1099
01:44:30,594 --> 01:44:33,194
that. We've made a plan. So the two that I

1100
01:44:33,194 --> 01:44:36,034
said we. Should be back in. We're the asset manager.

1101
01:44:36,034 --> 01:44:40,114
I believe that's needed. And also. The communications person. So

1102
01:44:40,114 --> 01:44:44,953
in terms of the overall. Budget. That was the influence,

1103
01:44:44,953 --> 01:44:47,073
if you will, a strong mayor. I put it on

1104
01:44:47,073 --> 01:44:50,810
just two things. Just watch your debt. Let's get the

1105
01:44:50,810 --> 01:44:54,843
debt policy in place. Let's understand the asset management. Let's

1106
01:44:54,843 --> 01:44:58,705
create a four year long term strategy. And let's do

1107
01:44:58,705 --> 01:45:01,265
some things for the community that they can see. Things

1108
01:45:01,265 --> 01:45:05,848
like parks. And that's all over. That's not just strategy

1109
01:45:05,848 --> 01:45:08,888
and War II in places there are parks that need

1110
01:45:08,888 --> 01:45:12,408
to be fixed. So that's what I did. Chair. So

1111
01:45:12,408 --> 01:45:14,688
with that. I'll turn over to Lindsay if you want

1112
01:45:14,688 --> 01:45:17,854
to go through the presentation. And I don't think we

1113
01:45:17,854 --> 01:45:21,014
need to do the death by PowerPoint chair, but we

1114
01:45:21,014 --> 01:45:22,694
can do it at a high level if you wish.

1115
01:45:24,429 --> 01:45:28,807
That would be better. Thank you. I know you. Hey.

1116
01:45:28,807 --> 01:45:31,407
Good evening, mayor, members of council. Thank you for having

1117
01:45:31,407 --> 01:45:35,047
me here tonight to present. This is my first council

1118
01:45:35,047 --> 01:45:37,647
presentation, so bear with me as I'm working through a

1119
01:45:37,647 --> 01:45:42,389
little bit of nerves, trying my best. Okay, so the

1120
01:45:42,389 --> 01:45:45,109
purpose of tonight's meeting, we're going to provide an overview

1121
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:50,335
of. The proposed 2026 municipal budget. Although the overall responsibility

1122
01:45:50,335 --> 01:45:53,335
for the budget has now changed under the new legislation,

1123
01:45:53,335 --> 01:45:56,575
the journey we've followed this far. In preparing the budget

1124
01:45:56,575 --> 01:46:00,801
has been the same. Staff have worked collaboratively with the

1125
01:46:00,801 --> 01:46:03,921
mayor to prepare a budget that aligns with the municipality's.

1126
01:46:03,921 --> 01:46:08,801
Strategic priorities, supports essential services and delivers value for residents

1127
01:46:08,801 --> 01:46:13,033
of Strathricare. So our agenda for this evening includes a

1128
01:46:13,033 --> 01:46:15,393
quick recap of the budget process under the new strong

1129
01:46:15,393 --> 01:46:19,793
mayor powers comments on the overall economic and policy context.

1130
01:46:21,401 --> 01:46:25,878
A discussion of key financial challenges and strategic opportunities. And

1131
01:46:25,878 --> 01:46:27,958
what we're all here for, of course, the presentation of

1132
01:46:27,958 --> 01:46:30,838
the budget and we'll. Wrap up with some comments on

1133
01:46:30,838 --> 01:46:34,366
what it means for property owners in our community. And

1134
01:46:34,366 --> 01:46:38,189
provide a timeline for some next steps. So the December

1135
01:46:38,189 --> 01:46:40,989
15 meeting of council, you received a guide to the

1136
01:46:40,989 --> 01:46:44,229
strong mayor's budget. Providing information on the new legislation and

1137
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:49,786
its impact on the budget process. Following the new framework,

1138
01:46:49,786 --> 01:46:53,106
our goal for this evening is to complete step one.

1139
01:46:53,106 --> 01:46:56,186
The mayor is introducing the proposed budget to council. At

1140
01:46:56,186 --> 01:46:58,746
the end of the presentation, we'll circle back to the

1141
01:46:58,746 --> 01:47:01,906
timeline and requirements for council, how we're going to move

1142
01:47:01,906 --> 01:47:04,607
forward. With the remaining steps and the budget goes up.

1143
01:47:06,552 --> 01:47:10,032
The 2026 proposed budget was prepared. Keeping in mind the

1144
01:47:10,032 --> 01:47:14,312
realities of our current economic landscape, we must consider the

1145
01:47:14,312 --> 01:47:17,832
impact of inflation and interest rate pressures. We're in competition

1146
01:47:17,832 --> 01:47:21,712
with other municipalities. For available funding for the province, and

1147
01:47:21,712 --> 01:47:27,251
increasingly it's on an application basis. We just don't get

1148
01:47:27,251 --> 01:47:30,411
sums of money. We have to apply for it provincially

1149
01:47:30,411 --> 01:47:34,211
and. Locally, we're seeing housing and demographic shifts, and through

1150
01:47:34,211 --> 01:47:38,011
asset management planning, we're increasingly aware of infrastructure funding gaps.

1151
01:47:40,049 --> 01:47:43,089
The municipality is facing incremental pressures which are driving up

1152
01:47:43,089 --> 01:47:46,609
the cost of operations there's. An expectations to maintain or

1153
01:47:46,609 --> 01:47:49,649
increase our levels of service, often with the same or

1154
01:47:49,649 --> 01:47:55,980
a decrease. In amount of resources. The service delivery review

1155
01:47:55,980 --> 01:47:59,460
that was conducted recently highlighted the need for additional staff.

1156
01:47:59,460 --> 01:48:01,820
If this was outlined in the four year staffing plan

1157
01:48:01,820 --> 01:48:05,047
that was presented to council. Under the plan to maintain

1158
01:48:05,047 --> 01:48:08,047
council's desired levels of service, it was recommended that six

1159
01:48:08,047 --> 01:48:12,047
new positions be created in 2026. But keeping in mind

1160
01:48:12,047 --> 01:48:17,674
the operating cost pressures. The proposed budget before you tonight.

1161
01:48:17,674 --> 01:48:19,554
I have includes three of the positions. One of them

1162
01:48:19,554 --> 01:48:21,994
is not. Scheduled to start till the fall or near

1163
01:48:21,994 --> 01:48:25,590
the end of 2026. That would be the either customer

1164
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:28,670
service rep, but the asset analyst and the communications analyst

1165
01:48:28,670 --> 01:48:33,405
are for the full year. As our asset management plan

1166
01:48:33,405 --> 01:48:39,085
suggests, Strawberry Caradock be investing $13 million annually to address

1167
01:48:39,085 --> 01:48:45,213
capital requirements. Historically, we've been allocating approximately $3 million in

1168
01:48:45,213 --> 01:48:49,373
taxation annually to capital annual transfers. Are being made to

1169
01:48:49,373 --> 01:48:52,133
the asset management plan and the future needs reserved to

1170
01:48:52,133 --> 01:48:56,493
address infrastructure gaps. The proposed budget tonight. I think it's

1171
01:48:56,493 --> 01:49:01,092
$300,000 for a transfer. But it's important to note that

1172
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the infrastructure gap continues to be compounded by construction. Inflation.

1173
01:49:05,012 --> 01:49:07,372
So we do have a need to invest in capital.

1174
01:49:07,372 --> 01:49:10,612
It's there. The gas is growing more and more expensive

1175
01:49:10,612 --> 01:49:15,343
every year. This was just a quick slide showing the

1176
01:49:15,343 --> 01:49:20,100
correlation between. The CPI and our municipal cost growth in

1177
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:23,694
the past two years. So the challenges from the current

1178
01:49:23,694 --> 01:49:26,894
economic landscape and cost pressures have also created some strategic

1179
01:49:26,894 --> 01:49:30,974
opportunities, reserves and debt need to be used strategically. The

1180
01:49:30,974 --> 01:49:32,654
mayor spoke a bit to that and a little bit

1181
01:49:32,654 --> 01:49:37,652
more on that later. Intergovernmental grants must be pursued to

1182
01:49:37,652 --> 01:49:42,092
fill in the funding gaps. Modernization and digitization of services,

1183
01:49:42,092 --> 01:49:46,332
along with regional collaboration, provides an opportunity for the municipality

1184
01:49:46,332 --> 01:49:50,676
to realize operational efficiencies. It is also important to continue

1185
01:49:50,676 --> 01:49:54,076
to diversify revenue streams and decrease reliance on property taxes.

1186
01:49:55,938 --> 01:49:59,658
So the first strategic opportunity just to touch on considering

1187
01:49:59,658 --> 01:50:03,725
the use of reserves and reserve funds. The municipality currently

1188
01:50:03,725 --> 01:50:08,365
has $44.6 million available in reserves and reserve funds. That

1189
01:50:08,365 --> 01:50:12,961
doesn't include any 2025 budgeted transfers or. The interest that

1190
01:50:12,961 --> 01:50:17,193
gets allocated every year. Those entries are still outstanding. At

1191
01:50:17,193 --> 01:50:19,633
Stratfordcare can be strategic. It is use of reserves and

1192
01:50:19,633 --> 01:50:24,033
reserve funds versus using property taxes. To address infrastructure gaps.

1193
01:50:25,834 --> 01:50:29,154
And the other opportunity that the mayor touched on was

1194
01:50:29,154 --> 01:50:33,611
the use of debt. We've paid down a considerable amount

1195
01:50:33,611 --> 01:50:35,931
of debt in the recent years, and all of this.

1196
01:50:35,931 --> 01:50:37,651
From debt will be repayed by the end of 2030.

1197
01:50:39,592 --> 01:50:43,519
Also the fir. The 20 and 24 fir. Suggested our

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01:50:43,519 --> 01:50:47,359
annual repayment limit of that would be 11.5 million. So

1199
01:50:47,359 --> 01:50:49,639
this demonstrates that we have the capacity to take on

1200
01:50:49,639 --> 01:50:55,232
debt, especially. To address these infrastructure deficits. And as the

1201
01:50:55,232 --> 01:50:58,935
mayor had suggested, it's important to be strategic. Finance department

1202
01:50:58,935 --> 01:51:01,175
plans to bring a debt policy to council in early

1203
01:51:01,175 --> 01:51:03,655
2026. Actually, I believe it. Might be at the next

1204
01:51:03,655 --> 01:51:06,455
meeting on the 19th. We're also in the process of

1205
01:51:06,455 --> 01:51:09,895
updating the municipality's long term financial plan, which will map

1206
01:51:09,895 --> 01:51:12,415
out the long term projected capital needs from all the

1207
01:51:12,415 --> 01:51:17,348
departments, so we'll have everything in one document. All the

1208
01:51:17,348 --> 01:51:19,188
needs over a certain period of time. So those two

1209
01:51:19,188 --> 01:51:21,348
documents will be very important tools. For councils to use

1210
01:51:21,348 --> 01:51:25,873
when prioritizing future capital needs. So now the reason we're

1211
01:51:25,873 --> 01:51:31,660
here. The 2026 proposed municipal budget. Combining both operations and

1212
01:51:31,660 --> 01:51:35,180
capital for looking at a consolidated tax rate increase of

1213
01:51:35,180 --> 01:51:41,188
4.53%. And due to increases in industrial and commercial sectors,

1214
01:51:41,188 --> 01:51:45,148
impact has projected our assessment growth to be 2.72% for

1215
01:51:45,148 --> 01:51:50,442
2026. In 2025, our growth rate was only 1%. So,

1216
01:51:50,442 --> 01:51:52,882
as you might recall, growth directly impacts the tax rate.

1217
01:51:54,606 --> 01:51:57,526
As assessment growth increases, the tax rate decreases. So, in

1218
01:51:57,526 --> 01:52:01,004
essence, We're able to abuse this assessment growth to spread

1219
01:52:01,004 --> 01:52:05,141
the tax needs over the larger assessment. Base. Now we'll

1220
01:52:05,141 --> 01:52:11,257
just jump into looking at the operating budget. Total $61.6

1221
01:52:11,257 --> 01:52:14,977
million. And of that, $26 million would be for property

1222
01:52:14,977 --> 01:52:19,432
taxes and 25.6 billion from other sources of revenue. So

1223
01:52:19,432 --> 01:52:22,592
this demonstrates the high reliance of the operating budget on

1224
01:52:22,592 --> 01:52:26,480
property taxes. It's just over half. This life is a

1225
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:28,960
little hard to see, but just a quick snapshot of.

1226
01:52:31,751 --> 01:52:35,124
The most operating budgets for each department. And it shows

1227
01:52:35,124 --> 01:52:37,884
the taxation required and then also the non tax revenues.

1228
01:52:39,398 --> 01:52:42,238
So we have overall a requirement of $26 million, and

1229
01:52:42,238 --> 01:52:45,078
this would be a levy increase of 2.68 million from

1230
01:52:45,078 --> 01:52:50,931
2025. Or eleven point 48%. In the agenda package this

1231
01:52:50,931 --> 01:52:54,491
evening, there's a number of documents the 2026 proposed operating

1232
01:52:54,491 --> 01:52:58,331
budget. There's one that's the summary and one that's detailed

1233
01:52:58,331 --> 01:53:01,571
and also a budget template. If you refer to those

1234
01:53:01,571 --> 01:53:05,451
documents, we'll provide some background for this one. Here more

1235
01:53:05,451 --> 01:53:09,088
details. Just did a few slides just to kind of

1236
01:53:09,088 --> 01:53:15,475
break down. Where the 51.6 million coming from. So the

1237
01:53:15,475 --> 01:53:17,435
first slide here just shows it by the source of

1238
01:53:17,435 --> 01:53:20,835
revenue. This will show how the proposed operating budget will

1239
01:53:20,835 --> 01:53:23,715
be funding. So again, you can see that the operating

1240
01:53:23,715 --> 01:53:26,195
budget is highly reliant on property taxes at just over

1241
01:53:26,195 --> 01:53:29,475
50%. And the next largest source of revenue would be

1242
01:53:29,475 --> 01:53:33,647
the user fees at 37 point. Eight. The next line

1243
01:53:33,647 --> 01:53:39,205
here. We're just breaking down the amount. By department. So

1244
01:53:39,205 --> 01:53:40,805
the graph will show the funds to be how it

1245
01:53:40,805 --> 01:53:44,005
will be utilized throughout the municipality, and as you can

1246
01:53:44,005 --> 01:53:47,565
see, protective services, engineering and public works and municipal services

1247
01:53:47,565 --> 01:53:56,203
have the largest budgets in total 85%. And finally. This

1248
01:53:56,203 --> 01:53:58,963
last slide here is going to show the breakdown of

1249
01:53:58,963 --> 01:54:02,243
the budget by expense type. So just a snapshot of

1250
01:54:02,243 --> 01:54:05,973
how the money is going to be spent. So almost

1251
01:54:05,973 --> 01:54:09,013
45% of the municipal operating budget will go towards salaries

1252
01:54:09,013 --> 01:54:14,130
and benefits. Budgeted transfers to reserves of 18.7% are mostly

1253
01:54:14,130 --> 01:54:18,250
comprised of water and wastewater rate stabilization transfers as well

1254
01:54:18,250 --> 01:54:22,410
as transfers into the fleet reserve for various departments. There's

1255
01:54:22,410 --> 01:54:26,290
also services and rents about 16.8%. That would be for

1256
01:54:26,290 --> 01:54:31,186
contracted services, things like garbage collection, purchase of water. Now.

1257
01:54:31,186 --> 01:54:37,568
We'll go transition over to capital. The budget before you

1258
01:54:37,568 --> 01:54:42,230
today is 14 and a half million dollars and. Of

1259
01:54:42,230 --> 01:54:46,157
that asking for taxation of $2.1 billion. Actually is a

1260
01:54:46,157 --> 01:54:50,437
levy decrease of about 986,000 from last year. Since less

1261
01:54:50,437 --> 01:54:52,997
taxation is being proposed. An effort has been made to

1262
01:54:52,997 --> 01:54:57,197
finance the projects with reserves, grants and debt. Whenever province

1263
01:54:57,197 --> 01:54:59,437
so there's a list of notable projects on the slide

1264
01:54:59,437 --> 01:55:02,459
there. But a complete list of projects can be found

1265
01:55:02,459 --> 01:55:05,179
in the 2026 capital discussion document that was in the

1266
01:55:05,179 --> 01:55:09,078
agenda package, and there's also a section that. Shows additional

1267
01:55:09,078 --> 01:55:12,238
projects that were brought forward by departments but ultimately not

1268
01:55:12,238 --> 01:55:16,380
included in the capital budget. Just a couple of slides

1269
01:55:16,380 --> 01:55:18,380
here to show a breakdown of the 14 and a

1270
01:55:18,380 --> 01:55:22,870
half million. The first one is by department. So you

1271
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:25,910
can see about 60% of the proposed projects are for

1272
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:29,695
engineering and public works. About 19% has been allocated to

1273
01:55:29,695 --> 01:55:33,215
community services. As the mayor spoke, there was an effort

1274
01:55:33,215 --> 01:55:36,255
to clean up some parks and rec and arena projects.

1275
01:55:36,255 --> 01:55:40,535
Using departmental reserves and also the municipal services budget includes

1276
01:55:40,535 --> 01:55:45,874
a million dollars allocated to 137 Frank Street. So, finally,

1277
01:55:45,874 --> 01:55:48,434
this slide provides a breakdown of the 14 and a

1278
01:55:48,434 --> 01:55:53,023
half million by revenue source. Basically, it will show how

1279
01:55:53,023 --> 01:55:57,303
the capital projects will be financed for the year 35.4%.

1280
01:55:57,303 --> 01:56:02,024
Of projects will be financed via grants. So Osif. Community

1281
01:56:02,024 --> 01:56:06,184
Canadian Community building funds in NG 911. User fees are

1282
01:56:06,184 --> 01:56:09,104
comprised of water and sewer rates, which will be used

1283
01:56:09,104 --> 01:56:13,384
for EPW projects and it will finance about 19% discounted

1284
01:56:13,384 --> 01:56:17,713
projects. Almost two and a half million, or 17% of

1285
01:56:17,713 --> 01:56:20,633
projects will be financed by reserves. And as you can

1286
01:56:20,633 --> 01:56:22,993
see, taxation makes up a small component of the capital

1287
01:56:22,993 --> 01:56:27,330
budget. At only 14 and a half percent. So where

1288
01:56:27,330 --> 01:56:31,370
will the post taxation come from? An assessment base consolidating

1289
01:56:31,370 --> 01:56:35,130
both the proposed operating capital budgets and considering other sources

1290
01:56:35,130 --> 01:56:38,690
of revenue that are available for municipality that get applied

1291
01:56:38,690 --> 01:56:42,690
to the taxation and grants departments, the municipality will require

1292
01:56:42,690 --> 01:56:46,506
total taxation of just over $26 million for 2020. Six.

1293
01:56:47,959 --> 01:56:51,711
This graph here breaks down. That by property tax class.

1294
01:56:51,711 --> 01:56:53,871
So showing where the taxations will come from in our

1295
01:56:53,871 --> 01:56:57,391
community as you can see, three quarters of the municipal

1296
01:56:57,391 --> 01:57:00,911
tax base is comprised of residential properties, and this breakdown.

1297
01:57:02,156 --> 01:57:05,729
Is consistent with the 2025 assessment base as well. The

1298
01:57:05,729 --> 01:57:08,809
next slide here. The mayor spoke briefly about two it's

1299
01:57:08,809 --> 01:57:13,420
important to note that. The tax increase of 4.53 that

1300
01:57:13,420 --> 01:57:16,420
we're proposing. That only makes up a portion. Of the

1301
01:57:16,420 --> 01:57:19,649
tax bill. The municipality also collects levies for the county

1302
01:57:19,649 --> 01:57:25,367
and the province. In 2025, the percentages were 55% was

1303
01:57:25,367 --> 01:57:31,386
municipal. 32 was provincial. Sorry. County was 32 and province

1304
01:57:31,386 --> 01:57:34,266
was 13. And we're not expecting the percentages to change

1305
01:57:34,266 --> 01:57:38,456
very much for the year. And this slide here, what

1306
01:57:38,456 --> 01:57:41,696
does it mean for property owners? We've updated the slides

1307
01:57:41,696 --> 01:57:44,976
just to provide some clarification on what we originally sent

1308
01:57:44,976 --> 01:57:49,136
out versus for residential and farm rates. Property owners, Mr.

1309
01:57:49,136 --> 01:57:53,696
Ethra Caradock will see an increase of $36.42 for every

1310
01:57:53,696 --> 01:57:58,654
$100,000 of assessed value. For example, a $400,000 home would

1311
01:57:58,654 --> 01:58:05,005
see an increase of $145.68 a million dollar property. Farm

1312
01:58:05,005 --> 01:58:07,845
property would see an increase of 360 419 at the

1313
01:58:07,845 --> 01:58:10,685
residential rate. Or if you're looking just at a billion

1314
01:58:10,685 --> 01:58:14,565
dollars in farmland, it would be $91.05. And again. This

1315
01:58:14,565 --> 01:58:18,486
is just on the municipal portion of the taxital. We

1316
01:58:18,486 --> 01:58:20,526
just had one more slide for context. We just wanted

1317
01:58:20,526 --> 01:58:26,099
to include. The 2024 BMA municipal study. This chart ranks

1318
01:58:26,099 --> 01:58:31,025
the neighboring municipalities by their average 2020. Four property taxes

1319
01:58:31,025 --> 01:58:34,438
on a detached bungalow. Stress rotate is right in the

1320
01:58:34,438 --> 01:58:40,475
middle of the lower rank. There. Finally. We're just going

1321
01:58:40,475 --> 01:58:42,715
to wrap up with a quick timeline for the budget

1322
01:58:42,715 --> 01:58:47,807
process. Departments submitted their budgets over the summer. In the

1323
01:58:47,807 --> 01:58:51,047
fall, we spent delivering and refining them. And as mentioned

1324
01:58:51,047 --> 01:58:54,007
at the start of the presentation. Today marks the first

1325
01:58:54,007 --> 01:58:57,007
step in the new process. We're presenting the mayor's budget

1326
01:58:57,007 --> 01:59:02,007
to council following the new legislation, should council wish to

1327
01:59:02,007 --> 01:59:04,887
propose amendments to the budget. They must be submitted in

1328
01:59:04,887 --> 01:59:07,931
Wr. Writing to the clerk prior to the February 11

1329
01:59:07,931 --> 01:59:12,281
meeting. I believe a template was circulated today. Just to

1330
01:59:12,281 --> 01:59:15,481
track any limits. That way, a simple majority vote of

1331
01:59:15,481 --> 01:59:18,521
council is required for an amendment. To be added. The

1332
01:59:18,521 --> 01:59:21,041
mayor would then have ten days to be to an

1333
01:59:21,041 --> 01:59:23,521
amendment if he chose. To and council would have 15

1334
01:59:23,521 --> 01:59:26,921
days after that to overturn a mayor's veto and for

1335
01:59:26,921 --> 01:59:28,801
that, to have a two thirds vote of council would

1336
01:59:28,801 --> 01:59:33,700
be required. So we've tentatively set. February 23 and March

1337
01:59:33,700 --> 01:59:36,620
9 meetings to handle those two steps if they're required.

1338
01:59:38,345 --> 01:59:40,585
And yes, sorry. That was a lot. And a quick

1339
01:59:40,585 --> 01:59:45,468
presentation. Just open up. Any questions? I'm just going to

1340
01:59:45,468 --> 01:59:48,867
follow up with one thing. I'll maybe chair answer the

1341
01:59:48,867 --> 01:59:52,003
elephant in the room. I have no interest in using

1342
01:59:52,003 --> 01:59:56,469
libido powers. Way to look at it. So will a

1343
01:59:56,469 --> 01:59:59,309
council. There's something that I really want in the budget.

1344
02:00:01,117 --> 02:00:04,197
To incorbern upon me to convince poor other counselors to

1345
02:00:04,197 --> 02:00:07,109
vote along with me. So I will not be using

1346
02:00:07,109 --> 02:00:12,649
my veto chair. There you go. There you have it.

1347
02:00:13,086 --> 02:00:16,721
Thank you. Well done, Lindsay. You should be proud. A

1348
02:00:16,721 --> 02:00:21,073
lot of work went into it. So with that, my

1349
02:00:21,073 --> 02:00:26,611
understanding of the process is we receive. The presentation tonight.

1350
02:00:26,611 --> 02:00:31,529
The documents get received by counsel. And then, I mean,

1351
02:00:31,529 --> 02:00:36,507
we can ask clarifying questions this evening. But questions where

1352
02:00:36,507 --> 02:00:39,427
you want to do. Amendments need to be provided in

1353
02:00:39,427 --> 02:00:44,552
writing to the clerk. Is there a specified time period

1354
02:00:44,552 --> 02:00:48,463
prior so that they can get on the agenda? Generally

1355
02:00:48,463 --> 02:00:52,635
five days. Five days? Thinking that those questions need to

1356
02:00:52,635 --> 02:00:55,955
be drafted. Or really, it would be the amendments, the

1357
02:00:55,955 --> 02:00:58,915
requested amendments. Need to be drafted and put into the

1358
02:00:58,915 --> 02:01:04,476
clerk. Five days prior so that they can be properly

1359
02:01:04,476 --> 02:01:09,586
posted. And that's, I think, probably when the big discussion

1360
02:01:09,586 --> 02:01:15,070
happens at council. So I think tonight what we're looking

1361
02:01:15,070 --> 02:01:17,950
for is if there's clarifying questions. That we just need

1362
02:01:17,950 --> 02:01:20,430
to get sorted out. We still have to figure out

1363
02:01:20,430 --> 02:01:25,582
what next steps would be. But are there clarifying questions?

1364
02:01:27,825 --> 02:01:30,225
Errors, et cetera. So I'll start with Greg. I saw

1365
02:01:30,225 --> 02:01:33,025
your hand up. No, Frank. And was it bow? You

1366
02:01:33,025 --> 02:01:38,252
had your hand. Mine was just about the written thing.

1367
02:01:38,252 --> 02:01:42,612
Okay, so that's Greg and Frank and Donna and. Both.

1368
02:01:42,612 --> 02:01:45,292
And I'll try to do my best to use your

1369
02:01:45,292 --> 02:01:52,020
last name. Some counselor. Sorry. My first clarifying question is

1370
02:01:52,020 --> 02:01:55,620
just on the debt schedule we have. All the loans

1371
02:01:55,620 --> 02:01:58,980
are amortized. Over 30 years. That's a fire truck, road

1372
02:01:58,980 --> 02:02:04,431
and fire estate. And there's two roads projects there. Typically,

1373
02:02:04,431 --> 02:02:07,791
we've done roads 15 years and fire. Trucks at ten.

1374
02:02:07,791 --> 02:02:10,031
Our asset management plan says a road is only good

1375
02:02:10,031 --> 02:02:12,551
for 25 years. But we're financing it for 30, according

1376
02:02:12,551 --> 02:02:15,431
to the debt schedule. And the asset management also says

1377
02:02:15,431 --> 02:02:17,431
a truck is good for ten to 15 and we're

1378
02:02:17,431 --> 02:02:19,071
financing it for 30, so we're going to be paying

1379
02:02:19,071 --> 02:02:20,951
for that truck 20 years after we take it out

1380
02:02:20,951 --> 02:02:22,937
of service, so. I just want to make sure that

1381
02:02:22,937 --> 02:02:25,257
that was intentional or see if that was a mistake.

1382
02:02:26,912 --> 02:02:30,550
Just so I know, for my motion, I hear it.

1383
02:02:31,871 --> 02:02:35,543
Somebody from finance. So through the charity councilor Wolsey. So

1384
02:02:35,543 --> 02:02:38,063
all of those are proposed. So we haven't. Even entered

1385
02:02:38,063 --> 02:02:41,663
into any arrangements on any of those debts yet, so

1386
02:02:41,663 --> 02:02:48,488
those are basically just using numbers. Once we bring those

1387
02:02:48,488 --> 02:02:50,888
forward. In fact, all of those have to come forward.

1388
02:02:52,130 --> 02:02:55,300
To council. So with those. They'll be in but fire

1389
02:02:55,300 --> 02:02:59,460
trucks. You're correct. You can't go beyond. The useful life,

1390
02:02:59,460 --> 02:03:02,784
so those will be. I guess a different debt schedule,

1391
02:03:02,784 --> 02:03:04,224
and that's going to change the tax rate and everything.

1392
02:03:04,224 --> 02:03:12,577
Else then? So you're saying that that would change tax

1393
02:03:12,577 --> 02:03:20,654
rate for sure? Because we're going to be paying over

1394
02:03:20,654 --> 02:03:23,294
15 years or ten years instead of 30, so. Our

1395
02:03:23,294 --> 02:03:25,854
payments are going to change. And that's the entire debt

1396
02:03:25,854 --> 02:03:30,760
schedule, except for potentially the firewall. It will advertise over

1397
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:35,726
a juiceable life, so. I appreciate that, council. I just

1398
02:03:35,726 --> 02:03:37,406
wanted to put it in the form of, like, a

1399
02:03:37,406 --> 02:03:40,326
question that. We can get an answer to or just

1400
02:03:40,326 --> 02:03:42,526
state that it's a comment and we can move on.

1401
02:03:44,254 --> 02:03:50,288
Director Deacon, did you want to answer that? Will all

1402
02:03:50,288 --> 02:03:52,408
the numbers then change? Are you going to change the

1403
02:03:52,408 --> 02:03:57,787
numbers accordingly? Through the chair to councilor Wolsey will update

1404
02:03:57,787 --> 02:04:06,604
those numbers. On that. Don't include both interest. Yeah, well,

1405
02:04:06,604 --> 02:04:08,284
you're looking at that. If we could just update the

1406
02:04:08,284 --> 02:04:14,656
Excel firms as well. Because currently. The established. Principal outstanding

1407
02:04:14,656 --> 02:04:17,416
includes the interest and the principal. It only includes the

1408
02:04:17,416 --> 02:04:20,770
principal. For updating it. We'll just update the whole sheet,

1409
02:04:20,770 --> 02:04:25,936
make it correct. Thank you. As I was just mentioning

1410
02:04:25,936 --> 02:04:31,762
to the chair. To the mayor. The interest rates. There

1411
02:04:31,762 --> 02:04:36,685
are 4.7, which. We're probably below now. These are done

1412
02:04:36,685 --> 02:04:40,987
back in 2023, I think. Or 2024. A lot of

1413
02:04:40,987 --> 02:04:45,259
these. So we'll update the interest rates, plus. The terms

1414
02:04:45,259 --> 02:04:53,238
as well. All right, council cash. Yeah. I guess I

1415
02:04:53,238 --> 02:04:56,848
want to go back to that police annex thing. I

1416
02:04:56,848 --> 02:04:58,368
think we have to make the assumption that's going to

1417
02:04:58,368 --> 02:05:05,315
be included. Because it's been submitted by the police Services

1418
02:05:05,315 --> 02:05:10,867
board. I would ask them sometime over the next few

1419
02:05:10,867 --> 02:05:17,236
days. We get? Something other. Or we're making the assumption

1420
02:05:17,236 --> 02:05:24,247
that. The whole would be about $9 million that needs.

1421
02:05:25,871 --> 02:05:27,911
To be while the projects tended to happen. I think

1422
02:05:27,911 --> 02:05:31,953
we've got reserves and. So a million and a half.

1423
02:05:31,953 --> 02:05:35,545
So say it's $9 million. Is that going to be?

1424
02:05:36,956 --> 02:05:39,796
I assume borrowed. And so how is that going to.

1425
02:05:41,791 --> 02:05:45,455
Impact everything. Can I ask? Because I know that's the

1426
02:05:45,455 --> 02:05:50,644
outstanding question. And it sounds like now the municipal budget

1427
02:05:50,644 --> 02:05:52,684
is going to have some outstanding questions that need to

1428
02:05:52,684 --> 02:05:55,604
be addressed. So I think at the end, once we

1429
02:05:55,604 --> 02:05:58,204
go around and kind of everybody asks their clarifying question,

1430
02:05:58,204 --> 02:06:00,244
then we have to determine next step and how those

1431
02:06:00,244 --> 02:06:02,684
council want to deal with next step and bring that

1432
02:06:02,684 --> 02:06:06,752
back. Is that fair? Well, that's fair. I think we

1433
02:06:06,752 --> 02:06:08,232
need to keep that in mind, too. Yes, we do.

1434
02:06:09,983 --> 02:06:13,475
Councilor pammer. I have to set a couple of little

1435
02:06:13,475 --> 02:06:20,203
questions. One was about the Strasbourg library carpet replacement. Going

1436
02:06:20,203 --> 02:06:25,274
to director Lilborn. That is the county's building, is my

1437
02:06:25,274 --> 02:06:27,354
understanding, and they run the library, so I'm. Just wondering

1438
02:06:27,354 --> 02:06:32,919
why we are replacing. Through the chair to councilor pammer.

1439
02:06:32,919 --> 02:06:36,039
The county is a tenant within our building, so if

1440
02:06:36,039 --> 02:06:39,519
a county pays a lease to us on a monthly

1441
02:06:39,519 --> 02:06:44,559
basis. So the carpet that's in there currently exceeds 25

1442
02:06:44,559 --> 02:06:51,796
years old. And is due to be replaced. Thank you

1443
02:06:51,796 --> 02:06:56,064
for clarifying. And the other question that I had. This,

1444
02:06:56,064 --> 02:06:57,984
I guess would go to direct. Ortiz. I didn't see

1445
02:06:57,984 --> 02:07:03,756
the downtown. Revitalization or infrastructure project anywhere listed, and I'm

1446
02:07:03,756 --> 02:07:08,044
just wondering where that is at. And. Where you see

1447
02:07:08,044 --> 02:07:10,924
that being placed in either this budget. Is there any

1448
02:07:10,924 --> 02:07:14,804
stage board in 2026? Or is it all being deferred

1449
02:07:14,804 --> 02:07:18,324
till later? I like direct. There's actually a good news

1450
02:07:18,324 --> 02:07:23,036
story in there and includes Mount Bridges. I'll ask. What's

1451
02:07:23,036 --> 02:07:27,106
the good news? I'll answer the question, then I'll let

1452
02:07:27,106 --> 02:07:33,698
the mayor share a good news story. About. Bridges. Because

1453
02:07:33,698 --> 02:07:38,677
that project is a carry forward from previous years. It

1454
02:07:38,677 --> 02:07:41,917
is not part of listed here, but it is in

1455
02:07:41,917 --> 02:07:43,877
the budget, so it is part of. The carry for

1456
02:07:43,877 --> 02:07:48,687
it, so we have about $200,000. Set aside for that

1457
02:07:48,687 --> 02:07:52,185
project. So part of the clarity regarding Mount Bridge, I

1458
02:07:52,185 --> 02:07:56,198
initially asked that we need to. Do the study for

1459
02:07:56,198 --> 02:08:00,638
the Mount Bridges downtown revitalization. I think that may have

1460
02:08:00,638 --> 02:08:03,638
got left. Out of maybe 50,000. So as part of

1461
02:08:03,638 --> 02:08:06,558
correcting this, we'll be adding those dollars back in. But

1462
02:08:06,558 --> 02:08:09,278
that'll come out of reserves. We ask just for the

1463
02:08:09,278 --> 02:08:13,461
study. From all bridges. Do you have anything else? Thank

1464
02:08:13,461 --> 02:08:19,469
you, Councilor Derbyshire. All right, so we're adding more stuff

1465
02:08:19,469 --> 02:08:22,509
in without, like, it's going to be very hard for

1466
02:08:22,509 --> 02:08:28,180
council. To analyze all this without. I know everything's. We're

1467
02:08:28,180 --> 02:08:33,322
going to figure it out, and then. It'll just get.

1468
02:08:33,322 --> 02:08:34,442
Anyways, it doesn't matter now. We'll figure it. Out at

1469
02:08:34,442 --> 02:08:36,962
the end of the meeting what council wants to do

1470
02:08:36,962 --> 02:08:39,962
us next steps with all of these questions, what council

1471
02:08:39,962 --> 02:08:42,922
wants to do with next steps. Okay, but let's get

1472
02:08:42,922 --> 02:08:45,042
all the questions out on the floor first. Then we'll

1473
02:08:45,042 --> 02:08:46,362
figure out how we're going to deal with it and

1474
02:08:46,362 --> 02:08:51,905
receive the information. So in our proposed. I'll just go

1475
02:08:51,905 --> 02:08:57,637
through. You. When we look at our capital. We have

1476
02:08:57,637 --> 02:09:03,624
the Mount bridges wastewater. Servicing, design and construction. Is that

1477
02:09:03,624 --> 02:09:08,464
the transformation from like, is that the switching from Roto

1478
02:09:08,464 --> 02:09:16,278
to. Open aeration. And I see. We only have 500,000.

1479
02:09:18,381 --> 02:09:24,295
500,000 budgeted for that. So I just wondered about that

1480
02:09:24,295 --> 02:09:26,335
one. The other one I wondered for is we don't.

1481
02:09:26,335 --> 02:09:30,171
Even have the lagoon. In stratroy. And that unless that

1482
02:09:30,171 --> 02:09:36,215
is the stratroy wastewater sledge handling facility, at 300,000. Councilor

1483
02:09:36,215 --> 02:09:40,535
Ortiz. Yeah. Thank you. Through the chair to councilor Derbyshire.

1484
02:09:40,535 --> 02:09:46,675
So that 500,000. That is for. The future. The large

1485
02:09:46,675 --> 02:09:51,579
scale design and construction for expansion. We anticipate that being

1486
02:09:51,579 --> 02:09:55,699
expended probably in a future year. So we have a

1487
02:09:55,699 --> 02:09:58,979
phase in approach for funding on that, so that'll probably

1488
02:09:58,979 --> 02:10:05,596
be going into wastewater reserves. The other project that you

1489
02:10:05,596 --> 02:10:10,257
were referring to? Well, the actual construction of. Switching it

1490
02:10:10,257 --> 02:10:17,189
over. Where's it? In this budget. That's the environmental assessment.

1491
02:10:19,103 --> 02:10:24,404
And. That's one point. We have that funded already. In

1492
02:10:24,404 --> 02:10:28,988
2020 from 2025. So then. That will then be coming

1493
02:10:28,988 --> 02:10:32,400
out of the water and wastewater. Reserves. All of it.

1494
02:10:34,648 --> 02:10:38,108
Right. That'll be the same. It'll be coming out of

1495
02:10:38,108 --> 02:10:44,097
there. Both those projects are part of the 2025, so

1496
02:10:44,097 --> 02:10:47,897
they're just carrying forward into 2026. These are all brand

1497
02:10:47,897 --> 02:10:55,588
new projects. These ones listed here. Councilor wilson. In that

1498
02:10:55,588 --> 02:10:59,540
same vein. On projects that council's already approved. I looked

1499
02:10:59,540 --> 02:11:02,460
through the capital list over the week, and there's projects

1500
02:11:02,460 --> 02:11:04,740
that have been approved and they're still using numbers from

1501
02:11:04,740 --> 02:11:08,585
2021. Beyond the numbers. Being like four or five years

1502
02:11:08,585 --> 02:11:10,745
old when you take a look at the numbers, and

1503
02:11:10,745 --> 02:11:14,025
the amount that's been set aside, there's a $12 million

1504
02:11:14,025 --> 02:11:17,145
liability. Even at the numbers from probably from 21 and

1505
02:11:17,145 --> 02:11:19,745
22 and 23 over the last five years of projects.

1506
02:11:19,745 --> 02:11:23,539
That council has approved and hasn't been built. What is

1507
02:11:23,539 --> 02:11:27,739
our plan to fund that $12 million shortfall? And that

1508
02:11:27,739 --> 02:11:29,619
number is only going to grow as we actually update

1509
02:11:29,619 --> 02:11:32,179
the prices from five years ago. I don't see anything.

1510
02:11:32,179 --> 02:11:34,539
In this budget or any of the previous budgets to

1511
02:11:34,539 --> 02:11:38,182
address that. And I got a second one on the

1512
02:11:38,182 --> 02:11:40,622
asset management plan deficit, but just want to know what

1513
02:11:40,622 --> 02:11:44,446
our plan is to address that 12 million. Dollar funding

1514
02:11:44,446 --> 02:11:47,690
liability. Through the chair to councilor wills. If you could

1515
02:11:47,690 --> 02:11:50,250
just send me your calculations how you got that 12

1516
02:11:50,250 --> 02:11:59,585
million. It's right on your document, on your capital. I'll

1517
02:11:59,585 --> 02:12:00,825
look it up here in one of the documents on

1518
02:12:00,825 --> 02:12:06,798
our sheet to make. But typically. The two wastewater treatment

1519
02:12:06,798 --> 02:12:11,198
plants are a good example. Those came in originally. Numbers,

1520
02:12:11,198 --> 02:12:15,148
original numbers came in. When we actually moved forward with

1521
02:12:15,148 --> 02:12:18,908
the project, those numbers were updated. So last year you

1522
02:12:18,908 --> 02:12:22,428
added money. To the mount breaches project you added money

1523
02:12:22,428 --> 02:12:29,665
to. The Strapberry project. In 2025, so those numbers get

1524
02:12:29,665 --> 02:12:33,750
updated as the project moves forward. I guess in addition

1525
02:12:33,750 --> 02:12:34,710
to that, if you want to look at the numbers

1526
02:12:34,710 --> 02:12:36,750
I'm talking about where I got that number from is

1527
02:12:36,750 --> 02:12:39,430
from your reserve. Reserve funds, trust funds and deferred. Revenue

1528
02:12:39,430 --> 02:12:44,752
analysis. The last page shows that we have approved 35

1529
02:12:44,752 --> 02:12:48,128
million in funding. And this is just on water and

1530
02:12:48,128 --> 02:12:49,888
wastewater project. It doesn't include any of the other ones

1531
02:12:49,888 --> 02:12:56,901
we've done. We approved 35.7 million. And some of those

1532
02:12:56,901 --> 02:12:58,701
projects are. It's not park house. Drive in there that

1533
02:12:58,701 --> 02:13:01,101
only has just over 2 million in funding for a

1534
02:13:01,101 --> 02:13:03,421
seven and a half. Million dollar project, and I know

1535
02:13:03,421 --> 02:13:07,850
some of that comes out of. Development charges. But when

1536
02:13:07,850 --> 02:13:10,450
you look at the budget allocated in the project, those

1537
02:13:10,450 --> 02:13:13,930
two line items there they only have 23 million to

1538
02:13:13,930 --> 02:13:18,650
cover. 37.5 million projects. I'm just wondering, those are all

1539
02:13:18,650 --> 02:13:22,184
water and wastewater approved projects. There's likely going to be

1540
02:13:22,184 --> 02:13:25,809
debt for that. But there's a $12 million gap that

1541
02:13:25,809 --> 02:13:28,089
I don't see addressed anywhere in the capital budgets or

1542
02:13:28,089 --> 02:13:31,228
in any of the documents in front of us. So

1543
02:13:31,228 --> 02:13:33,708
through the chair to council was. If I understand you're

1544
02:13:33,708 --> 02:13:42,898
using the reserve. Reserve fund. Trust fund security deposit analysis

1545
02:13:42,898 --> 02:13:45,138
report. Is that the one you're looking at? Yes, just

1546
02:13:45,138 --> 02:13:48,098
on the last page where you've got the water wastewater

1547
02:13:48,098 --> 02:13:53,513
projects allocated but unspent. The last section after everything. Then

1548
02:13:53,513 --> 02:13:59,050
your totals for that section. Give the proposed budget and

1549
02:13:59,050 --> 02:14:06,236
then what's been allocated. Right, so allocated. Is money that

1550
02:14:06,236 --> 02:14:13,609
has been allocated from the reserves. Going to. That last

1551
02:14:13,609 --> 02:14:18,728
section that chart the water wastewater project allocation. But unspent.

1552
02:14:20,483 --> 02:14:24,421
The proposed budget shows what the budget costs are. The

1553
02:14:24,421 --> 02:14:26,901
two columns show exactly what we're pulling out of the

1554
02:14:26,901 --> 02:14:31,877
reserves, so that is only. The reserve portion of the

1555
02:14:31,877 --> 02:14:35,767
funding for those projects. There'd be debt, there'd be grants,

1556
02:14:35,767 --> 02:14:39,167
there'd be all sorts of other. Things that get added

1557
02:14:39,167 --> 02:14:43,865
to come up. So using the example. Of the Mount

1558
02:14:43,865 --> 02:14:50,112
bridges. Wastewater treatment at 11 million proposed 11 million. We're

1559
02:14:50,112 --> 02:14:53,672
pulling over 10 million. Just over 10. Million other, the

1560
02:14:53,672 --> 02:14:56,935
sewers, so the balance would come out of grant. Or

1561
02:14:56,935 --> 02:15:01,034
other forms of funding. To bring up that we're just

1562
02:15:01,034 --> 02:15:03,554
showing what's coming out of reserves here. Yeah. And I

1563
02:15:03,554 --> 02:15:06,354
get that. And that's where I'm wondering if there's $12.

1564
02:15:06,354 --> 02:15:09,526
Million more in debt and grant somewhere else. That's not

1565
02:15:09,526 --> 02:15:12,046
anywhere in our lives. We're not showing that there's more.

1566
02:15:12,046 --> 02:15:13,926
Debt that we have to take on. We're just ignoring

1567
02:15:13,926 --> 02:15:17,281
that we have this $12. Million liability. It's not in

1568
02:15:17,281 --> 02:15:19,641
our debt schedule. We're not planning on paying for anything.

1569
02:15:21,561 --> 02:15:24,440
We don't know what grants we're applying for. We got

1570
02:15:24,440 --> 02:15:26,440
to come up with 12 million somehow, and it's not

1571
02:15:26,440 --> 02:15:28,320
reflected anywhere in the budget, and we're not planning for

1572
02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:31,240
it until he gets here. That's my point. And just

1573
02:15:31,240 --> 02:15:32,560
if that's our plan and that's how we want to

1574
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:35,824
go ahead. Then I'll answer that, councilor. I think that's

1575
02:15:35,824 --> 02:15:38,704
part of my thought process. And we realize, however we

1576
02:15:38,704 --> 02:15:42,589
get there, We have some projects that need some funding,

1577
02:15:42,589 --> 02:15:45,869
whether it's debt, so that was my thought. Process, but

1578
02:15:45,869 --> 02:15:48,229
these are already approved projects from last year, so we're

1579
02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:50,269
just ignoring that there's 12 million that we might have

1580
02:15:50,269 --> 02:15:53,396
to do an additional debt this year. Through the chair.

1581
02:15:53,396 --> 02:15:55,396
Council will see. So I think what you need to

1582
02:15:55,396 --> 02:15:58,516
do is take this document. And compare it to the

1583
02:15:58,516 --> 02:16:02,476
actual capital budget, which actually shows each of those projects

1584
02:16:02,476 --> 02:16:07,118
and how we're funding them. It's just short in the

1585
02:16:07,118 --> 02:16:16,205
reserves, right? Answering the mayor, I guess. What? This document

1586
02:16:16,205 --> 02:16:19,541
that you're referring to, council. Looks at just the reserve

1587
02:16:19,541 --> 02:16:23,185
portion. So it'd be very similar to if you were

1588
02:16:23,185 --> 02:16:26,183
building a house. And you're saying, here's what I got

1589
02:16:26,183 --> 02:16:28,819
in my savings account. You show what you have in

1590
02:16:28,819 --> 02:16:32,219
your savings account. You're looking at the savings account. Obviously

1591
02:16:32,219 --> 02:16:34,339
you got other money set aside. You're going to take

1592
02:16:34,339 --> 02:16:37,299
a mortgage or other things to make up the difference.

1593
02:16:37,299 --> 02:16:40,459
And so if you take this just shows a reserve

1594
02:16:40,459 --> 02:16:45,437
amount. Doesn't show. That that doesn't show any grants that

1595
02:16:45,437 --> 02:16:49,036
are going against these. And I guess to follow up

1596
02:16:49,036 --> 02:16:50,796
on that, none of those projects show up on the

1597
02:16:50,796 --> 02:16:52,956
desk schedule. Either. So there's no debt. So everything is

1598
02:16:52,956 --> 02:16:56,869
grants for all of those projects. It does not come

1599
02:16:56,869 --> 02:16:59,069
out of reserves and there's no debt because it's not.

1600
02:16:59,069 --> 02:17:01,109
On the debt schedule. Everything is grants for all of

1601
02:17:01,109 --> 02:17:04,326
those projects. It has to be on the debt schedule

1602
02:17:04,326 --> 02:17:07,266
too, if you're paying for debt. That was kind of

1603
02:17:07,266 --> 02:17:11,329
my point, that they're not on the debt schedule. And

1604
02:17:11,329 --> 02:17:12,689
if it's debt and grant it's paying for it, that

1605
02:17:12,689 --> 02:17:15,289
means we're. Grants. We've got $12 million in grants coming

1606
02:17:15,289 --> 02:17:21,824
for those projects. Through the charity councilor Willsie. So if

1607
02:17:21,824 --> 02:17:24,864
you look at the Mount bridges wastewater treatment plant, for

1608
02:17:24,864 --> 02:17:31,142
instance, There is 11 million proposed budget. There's just over

1609
02:17:31,142 --> 02:17:34,182
10 million. So there's a million. This is coming from

1610
02:17:34,182 --> 02:17:37,841
another. Source. On that, and I would need to look

1611
02:17:37,841 --> 02:17:41,820
at. The capital budget to give you where that money

1612
02:17:41,820 --> 02:17:49,043
is coming from. That note there. The wastewater is negative

1613
02:17:49,043 --> 02:17:53,242
9 million in reserves. If you go up there, if

1614
02:17:53,242 --> 02:17:57,362
you take that 11 million out, it's negative 9 million.

1615
02:17:58,667 --> 02:18:00,787
That's just on the debts. If you scroll up to

1616
02:18:00,787 --> 02:18:06,285
where that is. So that 9 million has to come

1617
02:18:06,285 --> 02:18:09,245
from somewhere, and I know we've already said it's. Probably

1618
02:18:09,245 --> 02:18:12,645
coming from the water portion of things at this point.

1619
02:18:12,645 --> 02:18:17,487
That was kind of part of the discussion, but. There's

1620
02:18:17,487 --> 02:18:19,687
nowhere on here does it say how this does the

1621
02:18:19,687 --> 02:18:21,767
other thing we were told? Was. There's also a $6

1622
02:18:21,767 --> 02:18:27,075
million either loan or grant, plus. A $6 million loan

1623
02:18:27,075 --> 02:18:29,877
and a million dollar grant for this project. But because

1624
02:18:29,877 --> 02:18:32,637
it was approved midway through last year, it was going

1625
02:18:32,637 --> 02:18:35,037
to be put on to this. Budget so we could

1626
02:18:35,037 --> 02:18:38,437
see how this was going. But it's not here because

1627
02:18:38,437 --> 02:18:41,973
they're like, well, it was approved last year. But it

1628
02:18:41,973 --> 02:18:45,975
wasn't approved in last year's budget. We had put a

1629
02:18:45,975 --> 02:18:49,255
place marker because we love place markers. We put it

1630
02:18:49,255 --> 02:18:55,466
in. But now. There's nothing showing what these projects are

1631
02:18:55,466 --> 02:18:58,506
doing. So these projects, we improved last year. We don't

1632
02:18:58,506 --> 02:19:00,986
get to see how they're being done, how they're being

1633
02:19:00,986 --> 02:19:04,995
spent. Move forward. They should have probably been in the

1634
02:19:04,995 --> 02:19:07,595
proposed capital budget as part of it, even if it

1635
02:19:07,595 --> 02:19:09,715
is money and money out. It at least shows where

1636
02:19:09,715 --> 02:19:12,235
it's money and money out the same. As if we're

1637
02:19:12,235 --> 02:19:15,035
spending 9 million on the police thing and they have

1638
02:19:15,035 --> 02:19:18,235
a million in reserve. It still has to be somewhere

1639
02:19:18,235 --> 02:19:21,435
on this budget and show money and money out, even

1640
02:19:21,435 --> 02:19:24,147
if it is a wash. We got to see it

1641
02:19:24,147 --> 02:19:29,336
somewhere. So, director, if I may ask. A number of

1642
02:19:29,336 --> 02:19:35,092
questions I've imposed to you, mostly around water, wastewater. I

1643
02:19:35,092 --> 02:19:36,972
think both of these documents are coming back to us

1644
02:19:36,972 --> 02:19:39,052
in some sort of revised form. We'll figure that out

1645
02:19:39,052 --> 02:19:42,652
in a moment. Is there benefit to taking time to

1646
02:19:42,652 --> 02:19:51,403
putting your thought process together. To solidify that. In that

1647
02:19:51,403 --> 02:19:57,282
amended document. Through the chair to the chair. So these

1648
02:19:57,282 --> 02:20:00,682
documents will be amended. Obviously, we've got to add to

1649
02:20:00,682 --> 02:20:07,213
police annex. According to tonight. Will be updated, plus we

1650
02:20:07,213 --> 02:20:11,213
can update the 25 projects that carry forward. Part of

1651
02:20:11,213 --> 02:20:15,453
it is the 25 carry forward numbers haven't been closed

1652
02:20:15,453 --> 02:20:18,653
off yet because we're still in our 25 year end.

1653
02:20:18,653 --> 02:20:22,877
So as of the end of January, We're cutting off

1654
02:20:22,877 --> 02:20:26,357
our 25 so we can update all the projects from

1655
02:20:26,357 --> 02:20:31,449
2025. With the updated numbers, so that will be part

1656
02:20:31,449 --> 02:20:36,214
of what would come forward. At the next meeting on

1657
02:20:36,214 --> 02:20:44,407
11th, I believe it is. So. Council. The big question

1658
02:20:44,407 --> 02:20:48,487
is in my mind been raised by so many what

1659
02:20:48,487 --> 02:20:52,647
is our next steps and we have a police budget

1660
02:20:52,647 --> 02:20:55,487
that may or may not need a line item added.

1661
02:20:55,487 --> 02:20:58,047
Back in more than likely it needs it added back

1662
02:20:58,047 --> 02:21:01,670
in. And then a number of questions have been raised

1663
02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:06,641
about the municipal budget. Some clarifying questions. And I think

1664
02:21:06,641 --> 02:21:08,481
the director needs time to put all of that together.

1665
02:21:10,402 --> 02:21:13,842
Now, keep in mind that we have 30 days from

1666
02:21:13,842 --> 02:21:20,522
today to finish our process. Which is February the 11th.

1667
02:21:21,051 --> 02:21:22,211
We can have as many meetings as we want in

1668
02:21:22,211 --> 02:21:23,691
that period of time, but we have to be done

1669
02:21:23,691 --> 02:21:25,971
by February the 11th. It then goes back to the

1670
02:21:25,971 --> 02:21:32,893
mayor. So with that being said. I am thinking we

1671
02:21:32,893 --> 02:21:38,013
probably need to get these documents revised and back into

1672
02:21:38,013 --> 02:21:45,099
our hands. Sooner than February the 11th. Does anybody feel

1673
02:21:45,099 --> 02:21:48,139
differently or want to make comment to that? Because otherwise,

1674
02:21:48,139 --> 02:21:50,379
I think we need to be looking at another meeting.

1675
02:21:50,379 --> 02:21:56,526
Councilor Brennan. Cassill. The deadline for making amendments to hand

1676
02:21:56,526 --> 02:21:59,446
the clerk would be Friday, February the 6th. Because you

1677
02:21:59,446 --> 02:22:01,926
wanted to have five days before the 11th, is that

1678
02:22:01,926 --> 02:22:07,067
correct? So there's a date. The deadline for making amendments

1679
02:22:07,067 --> 02:22:09,627
heading into the clerk is February. The 6th. So my

1680
02:22:09,627 --> 02:22:13,143
thought is. By far. I'm not an expert in this.

1681
02:22:13,143 --> 02:22:16,823
I just reviewed those bullet points about the legislation, I

1682
02:22:16,823 --> 02:22:18,743
guess, is the better way to put it. We can

1683
02:22:18,743 --> 02:22:20,703
hold two or three meetings within that period of time.

1684
02:22:22,413 --> 02:22:26,277
But. Our last meeting has to be kind of put

1685
02:22:26,277 --> 02:22:28,677
together by February 6 so that we can do it

1686
02:22:28,677 --> 02:22:32,777
and have it completed. On the 11th because after that,

1687
02:22:33,947 --> 02:22:38,905
We lose carriage of the process. Correct. So, do we

1688
02:22:38,905 --> 02:22:42,468
want to do something quicker? Than that point in time.

1689
02:22:43,822 --> 02:22:46,538
Councilor Pam. I just have a question, perhaps for the

1690
02:22:46,538 --> 02:22:52,781
clerk, whoever's managing this process. It says here that. The

1691
02:22:52,781 --> 02:22:57,261
mayor proposes a budget that we receive and then council

1692
02:22:57,261 --> 02:23:01,041
can make amendments to the budget. I don't see where

1693
02:23:01,041 --> 02:23:04,041
it says here that the mayor could make amendments to

1694
02:23:04,041 --> 02:23:07,009
his budget. Is he part of council? He just is

1695
02:23:07,009 --> 02:23:11,821
included as party council. Okay, but. That has to be.

1696
02:23:13,086 --> 02:23:14,486
Okay, so then if he makes the changes and bring

1697
02:23:14,486 --> 02:23:18,383
it back to us, Then that would require a resolution.

1698
02:23:19,695 --> 02:23:26,018
Right? Correct. Because this budget is being presented now. It's

1699
02:23:26,018 --> 02:23:30,218
there, correct? We've identified some omissions and changes. So then,

1700
02:23:30,218 --> 02:23:33,058
if. The mayor makes an amendment, then we would have

1701
02:23:33,058 --> 02:23:35,178
to vote on accepting that amendment. Is that correct? Correct.

1702
02:23:38,370 --> 02:23:40,970
Just for clarification, then. So what Don is saying is

1703
02:23:40,970 --> 02:23:44,170
essentially we have to make amendments. To change everything we

1704
02:23:44,170 --> 02:23:48,050
just talked about now? Because it's been presented? I think

1705
02:23:48,050 --> 02:23:52,373
so. They can't just revitalize all of it. Which was

1706
02:23:52,373 --> 02:23:55,493
Donna's question. Do you want to hear some input and

1707
02:23:55,493 --> 02:23:59,222
then take it back and represent it. But now it's.

1708
02:24:01,274 --> 02:24:03,074
And the mayor said he wanted to present his budget.

1709
02:24:04,751 --> 02:24:07,111
Present. Okay, so here we said this would be my

1710
02:24:07,111 --> 02:24:12,548
question. Which was my original one. Back to the written

1711
02:24:12,548 --> 02:24:15,886
amendments. Is that just kind of what we're doing, or

1712
02:24:15,886 --> 02:24:20,246
is that part of this provincial new mandate that we

1713
02:24:20,246 --> 02:24:23,766
have to do written amendments, or could we make amendments

1714
02:24:23,766 --> 02:24:28,317
now? To have these changes done, being. That we're sitting

1715
02:24:28,317 --> 02:24:30,877
here right now, and that would speed this process up

1716
02:24:30,877 --> 02:24:35,989
as opposed to. Five of us making different amendments. Through

1717
02:24:35,989 --> 02:24:40,246
the chair to Councilor Gerber Shire. So although the legislation.

1718
02:24:41,565 --> 02:24:44,165
Doesn't specifically say yay or nay. As far as written

1719
02:24:44,165 --> 02:24:50,409
documentation. I have advised that we document the process by

1720
02:24:50,409 --> 02:24:55,294
written form through every step. Just to be clear and

1721
02:24:55,294 --> 02:24:59,294
concise, to make sure that all motions and amendments are

1722
02:24:59,294 --> 02:25:06,084
made and understood before voting. Okay. So then. If we.

1723
02:25:06,084 --> 02:25:07,844
Yeah, I guess. Then what we need to do is

1724
02:25:07,844 --> 02:25:11,352
make a list. Somebody write them out. The problem is,

1725
02:25:11,352 --> 02:25:15,453
when they ask about. What the financial implications are on

1726
02:25:15,453 --> 02:25:22,634
this. Would you just put, I don't know. Because I

1727
02:25:22,634 --> 02:25:29,947
don't really. What we want is just clarification. Then the

1728
02:25:29,947 --> 02:25:33,082
proper. Stuff put in, right? That's more. I kind of

1729
02:25:33,082 --> 02:25:38,456
agree with you. It's really not a great. Story. We're

1730
02:25:38,456 --> 02:25:41,496
trying to figure it out here, Councilor Brennan and then

1731
02:25:41,496 --> 02:25:45,396
the CAO. It's interesting with the language. It says council

1732
02:25:45,396 --> 02:25:48,276
can make amendments to the proposed budget. I don't believe

1733
02:25:48,276 --> 02:25:51,592
that means. A collective amendment. I think we're looking at

1734
02:25:51,592 --> 02:25:58,526
individual. Counselors. Can write up a written amendment which will

1735
02:25:58,526 --> 02:26:02,246
be given to the clerk before February 6, and then

1736
02:26:02,246 --> 02:26:04,526
they would be dealt with that at a February 11

1737
02:26:04,526 --> 02:26:08,425
meeting. It's not necessary for counsel as a whole to

1738
02:26:08,425 --> 02:26:13,971
collectively put together an amendment. Individual counselors bring forward amendments.

1739
02:26:13,971 --> 02:26:17,851
So it's an individual process by individual counselors, which will

1740
02:26:17,851 --> 02:26:22,731
be brought before council and considered collectively. So the need

1741
02:26:22,731 --> 02:26:26,697
for a meeting to make amendments does not exist. In

1742
02:26:26,697 --> 02:26:27,937
terms of. You don't need to be at a meeting

1743
02:26:27,937 --> 02:26:29,657
to make an amendment. You just write one up and

1744
02:26:29,657 --> 02:26:31,217
submit it to the clerk and it'll get dealt with.

1745
02:26:31,217 --> 02:26:34,337
February. 11. The question is, do we want to have

1746
02:26:34,337 --> 02:26:39,279
discussions about these amendments? That we're considering as individuals in

1747
02:26:39,279 --> 02:26:41,919
the time period between now and February 6, when we

1748
02:26:41,919 --> 02:26:46,015
will have to formally submit them. Well, my thought is.

1749
02:26:46,851 --> 02:26:49,411
With a number of conversations that have occurred this evening.

1750
02:26:50,938 --> 02:26:54,418
Your thought process is going to change dramatically. Let's take

1751
02:26:54,418 --> 02:26:57,578
the police budget. Yeah. Another 10 million into it. Your

1752
02:26:57,578 --> 02:27:03,229
thought process probably is going to change. Not saying your

1753
02:27:03,229 --> 02:27:04,949
fault would change, but your thought process is going to

1754
02:27:04,949 --> 02:27:13,105
achieve. Similarly with the municipal budget. Changes. And decisions made

1755
02:27:13,105 --> 02:27:14,985
at one meeting, and then you're going to leave again

1756
02:27:14,985 --> 02:27:18,180
and perhaps come. Back. Do you want to do it

1757
02:27:18,180 --> 02:27:20,620
all at one meeting, or do you want to get

1758
02:27:20,620 --> 02:27:24,179
more information? Clarification. Get that document in front of you.

1759
02:27:25,859 --> 02:27:30,313
And then. Finalize that one. We don't have the time

1760
02:27:30,313 --> 02:27:32,953
we used to have to deal with it. That's my

1761
02:27:32,953 --> 02:27:37,353
point. Councilor Pammer, councilor Dolphman, on that point, it would

1762
02:27:37,353 --> 02:27:39,593
look like the process and again looking to the clerk

1763
02:27:39,593 --> 02:27:45,864
to confirm. Is that we have one shot. 30 days

1764
02:27:45,864 --> 02:27:49,224
after the pro's budget to make changes or to request

1765
02:27:49,224 --> 02:27:51,824
changes, and then we either have to accept them or

1766
02:27:51,824 --> 02:27:55,024
not. And then there's a ten day sort of resting.

1767
02:27:55,024 --> 02:27:58,329
Period. It doesn't say. Then we can go back and

1768
02:27:58,329 --> 02:28:03,629
ask for another round. 30 days. How many times can

1769
02:28:03,629 --> 02:28:07,855
you. Is this just a one shot? Google deal. Because

1770
02:28:07,855 --> 02:28:12,583
that's why I'm worried about. Presenting the budget tonight as

1771
02:28:12,583 --> 02:28:16,981
is, knowing that. It's likely going to need amendments. Have

1772
02:28:16,981 --> 02:28:20,061
we wasted a whole shot at doing this or. Is

1773
02:28:20,061 --> 02:28:24,552
there more flexibility? I'm asking the clerk. So through the

1774
02:28:24,552 --> 02:28:30,824
chair to councilor Pammer. The first 30 days. Sorry today.

1775
02:28:33,465 --> 02:28:36,905
The bride's budget is presented in day one. Over the

1776
02:28:36,905 --> 02:28:40,265
next 30 days, you have up to 30 days up

1777
02:28:40,265 --> 02:28:43,876
until. That next meeting in February 11 to present, to

1778
02:28:43,876 --> 02:28:46,076
submit any amendments to be put on the agenda. To

1779
02:28:46,076 --> 02:28:49,821
be voted by a simple majority vote. But during that

1780
02:28:49,821 --> 02:28:53,621
30 day period, if council feels that in this instance

1781
02:28:53,621 --> 02:28:57,388
there's an updated. Budget documents that need to be provided

1782
02:28:57,388 --> 02:28:59,588
if you feel that you want to meet again, to

1783
02:28:59,588 --> 02:29:05,050
have that discussion. To clarify certain items or specific things

1784
02:29:05,050 --> 02:29:07,890
that can be done. It's at council's. Discretion for sure.

1785
02:29:09,304 --> 02:29:17,388
What I heard the clerk say is. You're essentially getting

1786
02:29:17,388 --> 02:29:20,892
a revised budget. Particularly on the police one. You're going

1787
02:29:20,892 --> 02:29:23,132
to get a revised budget. We're going to want to

1788
02:29:23,132 --> 02:29:27,986
receive that. And have 14 or 15 days to review

1789
02:29:27,986 --> 02:29:33,146
that before losing carriage of it on the 11th. That's

1790
02:29:33,146 --> 02:29:36,824
my thought process, but I could be wrong. I had

1791
02:29:36,824 --> 02:29:38,784
bo and Steve, and then I'll go down to the

1792
02:29:38,784 --> 02:29:44,221
mayor. So, Mike, I would just say this. The mayor

1793
02:29:44,221 --> 02:29:48,235
actually has till February 1 to introduce this budget. Today.

1794
02:29:50,480 --> 02:29:52,160
Was just the day that we picked to give us

1795
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:56,519
a bit of time to move this forward. Right. If

1796
02:29:56,519 --> 02:29:58,919
we don't. I mean, I guess if this is his

1797
02:29:58,919 --> 02:30:02,279
presentation, but if he would. Like to make his presentation

1798
02:30:02,279 --> 02:30:05,399
back. And as long as he presents it before the

1799
02:30:05,399 --> 02:30:09,599
first can we then not. Let's say he presents it

1800
02:30:09,599 --> 02:30:13,119
January 16. Then we go 30 days from the 16th,

1801
02:30:13,119 --> 02:30:17,760
right? The only deadline is essentially the February 1 one.

1802
02:30:19,102 --> 02:30:21,462
Am I right in saying that after that, we moved

1803
02:30:21,462 --> 02:30:23,902
just on the dates and the timelines. If he gets

1804
02:30:23,902 --> 02:30:26,342
it correct, we can actually veto to shorten the distance

1805
02:30:26,342 --> 02:30:28,382
and move it forward. But right now, you have a

1806
02:30:28,382 --> 02:30:32,214
budget that. Needs all. I don't want to say complete

1807
02:30:32,214 --> 02:30:34,694
revision, but there's an awful lot that has to be

1808
02:30:34,694 --> 02:30:39,063
corrected for us to move forward with it. My question

1809
02:30:39,063 --> 02:30:47,584
is, can he just not say, look, I'm sorry? I'm

1810
02:30:47,584 --> 02:30:49,584
going to redo this, and I will represent it this

1811
02:30:49,584 --> 02:30:51,584
date, and then we move forward from that 30 days.

1812
02:30:53,032 --> 02:30:55,712
So, Madam Clerk, can we defer any motion to receive?

1813
02:30:57,049 --> 02:31:01,901
This. And give it back to the mayor using our

1814
02:31:01,901 --> 02:31:06,139
motions. Could we do a motion to. Refer it back

1815
02:31:06,139 --> 02:31:13,451
to the mayor. For. His budget? I don't know. So

1816
02:31:13,451 --> 02:31:17,731
we referred it back to you, Mr. Mayor, with at

1817
02:31:17,731 --> 02:31:26,165
least an answer to. The police. Annex line item. And

1818
02:31:26,165 --> 02:31:29,965
infill as much else as you've heard this evening and

1819
02:31:29,965 --> 02:31:33,365
then represent that. Document to us prior to the first.

1820
02:31:36,757 --> 02:31:42,847
And then council carries its 30 day. Hold of. For

1821
02:31:42,847 --> 02:31:45,167
that period of time. Is that easier, do you think?

1822
02:31:46,747 --> 02:31:52,592
I can do that. I understand. Maybe the safe way

1823
02:31:52,592 --> 02:31:55,992
I look at it, the overall budget, there's one major

1824
02:31:55,992 --> 02:32:01,699
item which. Is the police annex. But again. This is

1825
02:32:01,699 --> 02:32:04,379
like, a lot of legislation. You could drive a pickup,

1826
02:32:04,379 --> 02:32:06,859
you can drive the semi truck. Through the legislation if

1827
02:32:06,859 --> 02:32:10,899
you wanted. So hearing counsel, knowing that there is one

1828
02:32:10,899 --> 02:32:19,549
major. Item. In the will of council. I will.

1829
02:32:20,875 --> 02:32:23,835
Pull it back and come back in one week. Don't

1830
02:32:23,835 --> 02:32:27,015
need to present it. Right, so. Willow council. I think

1831
02:32:27,015 --> 02:32:29,785
I'm doing it because of the one main thing. Any

1832
02:32:29,785 --> 02:32:32,783
errors or omissions could be handled. But with the police

1833
02:32:32,783 --> 02:32:37,727
annex. I am willing to withdraw it for one week,

1834
02:32:37,727 --> 02:32:41,607
and we don't need to reconvene. We'll just reissue it

1835
02:32:41,607 --> 02:32:46,264
so I will start the clock counting. One week. That'll

1836
02:32:46,264 --> 02:32:48,424
have the answer. There's a reason why council is not

1837
02:32:48,424 --> 02:32:51,864
to delay it. It's more because the longer we delay

1838
02:32:51,864 --> 02:32:55,664
the budget process, the more we heard the municipality might

1839
02:32:55,664 --> 02:32:58,504
not be able to put things over tender. That is

1840
02:32:58,504 --> 02:33:02,344
the main thing. Some municipalities are already out there tendering

1841
02:33:02,344 --> 02:33:05,544
road projects and other things. So, that being said, I've

1842
02:33:05,544 --> 02:33:07,992
heard. Counsel, and this is fair. This is a new

1843
02:33:07,992 --> 02:33:15,394
process. I will present it back. Next week, one week

1844
02:33:15,394 --> 02:33:19,559
from today, we should have the answer regarding. The police

1845
02:33:19,559 --> 02:33:22,199
annex. That will be the big item. I can't see

1846
02:33:22,199 --> 02:33:26,102
it changing. The actual increase. What it's going to change

1847
02:33:26,102 --> 02:33:29,814
is. Our debt in the future, so I will do

1848
02:33:29,814 --> 02:33:31,934
that. That's at my discretion, and I will do that

1849
02:33:31,934 --> 02:33:37,588
chair. So then does that satisfy counsel? If the mayor

1850
02:33:37,588 --> 02:33:42,835
does, that reissues. It's one municipal budget, but you'll see

1851
02:33:42,835 --> 02:33:45,395
the police portion budget, and then you'll. See the municipal

1852
02:33:45,395 --> 02:33:50,585
budget all inclusive. And it'll be the date that that

1853
02:33:50,585 --> 02:33:53,665
is released to us that would start the 30 day

1854
02:33:53,665 --> 02:33:57,784
time period pursuant to the legislation. With the debt schedule.

1855
02:34:02,432 --> 02:34:06,352
Would then the plants that have been approved from last

1856
02:34:06,352 --> 02:34:11,218
year not be existing debt, even though. We know where

1857
02:34:11,218 --> 02:34:14,084
they're coming from and how they're coming off. Like the

1858
02:34:14,084 --> 02:34:18,978
debt schedule itself probably needs to be revised. I mean,

1859
02:34:18,978 --> 02:34:21,298
we have the principal and the interest being added together

1860
02:34:21,298 --> 02:34:24,578
and coming off the principal payment. So those principal numbers

1861
02:34:24,578 --> 02:34:29,860
are wrong. Right from Dock Duado. And that's probably not

1862
02:34:29,860 --> 02:34:33,699
a huge amount. But your numbers. We're still not dealing

1863
02:34:33,699 --> 02:34:39,012
with proper numbers. Director DACA will clean that up. No,

1864
02:34:39,012 --> 02:34:41,612
I understand, but I'm telling you, if somebody. Presented this

1865
02:34:41,612 --> 02:34:42,972
to me, like, if I went to an accountant and

1866
02:34:42,972 --> 02:34:44,692
they said, here you go. I mean, you'd be right

1867
02:34:44,692 --> 02:34:48,740
mad. And by all right. So we're doing when we

1868
02:34:48,740 --> 02:34:52,220
come to those existing projects, if they were approved last

1869
02:34:52,220 --> 02:34:55,677
year, Are they going to be on the existing debt

1870
02:34:55,677 --> 02:35:00,577
schedule now? Or no. Where do they go? Who will

1871
02:35:00,577 --> 02:35:04,664
let the director answer? Director Dick. So without looking at

1872
02:35:04,664 --> 02:35:07,464
the. I don't have that in front of me. So

1873
02:35:07,464 --> 02:35:11,344
if there was debt. It should have been on that

1874
02:35:11,344 --> 02:35:15,702
list. So we will take a look and make sure

1875
02:35:15,702 --> 02:35:17,342
that all the debt is showing on the debt. Schedule.

1876
02:35:19,025 --> 02:35:23,785
Okay, there's our answer. That the director is going to

1877
02:35:23,785 --> 02:35:27,305
take all the information and questions. Asked on tonight and

1878
02:35:27,305 --> 02:35:34,803
revise. The document or update the document accordingly. Councilor Wilsey

1879
02:35:34,803 --> 02:35:37,083
and councilor Hippol and then we'll call it just a

1880
02:35:37,083 --> 02:35:39,803
clarification. I think I remember this from last year. Any

1881
02:35:39,803 --> 02:35:42,683
of the projects that finish in 2025. Our first payment

1882
02:35:42,683 --> 02:35:46,123
will not be until the 2027 budget. So even though

1883
02:35:46,123 --> 02:35:48,363
we're taking on this debt now, all the projects now,

1884
02:35:48,363 --> 02:35:52,782
we're sitting up from 20. Four, so. There's been $12

1885
02:35:52,782 --> 02:35:56,222
million of debt that happened last year. If my numbers

1886
02:35:56,222 --> 02:35:59,062
are right. They might not be, but assume around $12

1887
02:35:59,062 --> 02:36:01,662
million of what projects we did in 25, we have

1888
02:36:01,662 --> 02:36:05,182
to pay debt on that, starting in 27. And then

1889
02:36:05,182 --> 02:36:07,662
if we do, the police now that won't finish next

1890
02:36:07,662 --> 02:36:09,622
year, so that'll likely be 28 we have to pay

1891
02:36:09,622 --> 02:36:13,594
on. That 10 million. So the approvals we're doing now

1892
02:36:13,594 --> 02:36:16,994
aren't actually changing our tax rate today. But we're taking

1893
02:36:16,994 --> 02:36:18,954
down the road where we have $12 million in new

1894
02:36:18,954 --> 02:36:21,034
debt that we're going to have to pay next year

1895
02:36:21,034 --> 02:36:23,474
from what we already did and then another. 10 million

1896
02:36:23,474 --> 02:36:27,208
a year after that. Hence the need for the debt

1897
02:36:27,208 --> 02:36:36,770
policy, councilor. Sounds like a credit card. Who's going to

1898
02:36:36,770 --> 02:36:46,683
give us. Okay, 1 second. Sorry. I

1899
02:36:46,683 --> 02:36:48,763
was asking the question about what motions we need to

1900
02:36:48,763 --> 02:36:52,123
complete the meeting and the clerk. Was just working away

1901
02:36:52,123 --> 02:36:55,323
on it, so we had a laugh there. About our

1902
02:36:55,323 --> 02:36:59,175
answer. Councilor Brennan. Councilor Kenneth. Council order. Hip hop. I'm

1903
02:36:59,175 --> 02:37:02,335
sorry, Sandy. Actually, I'm. Going to reverse it. Councilor Pitbull,

1904
02:37:02,335 --> 02:37:04,775
Councilor Candace, Councilor Brennan, she had her hand up before

1905
02:37:04,775 --> 02:37:07,735
and I missed. That's okay. It's actually just a really.

1906
02:37:07,735 --> 02:37:11,330
Easy question. The mayor has said a week from tonight,

1907
02:37:11,330 --> 02:37:15,821
so I'm assuming. Looking at our clerk. The 20 January.

1908
02:37:17,455 --> 02:37:23,391
Okay. Five. Okay, sorry. One week in a week. It's

1909
02:37:23,391 --> 02:37:25,311
really hard. We all have to look at our schedule.

1910
02:37:25,311 --> 02:37:28,932
So I need to make sure. But I think it's

1911
02:37:28,932 --> 02:37:31,732
just being released to us by that date. No meeting.

1912
02:37:33,953 --> 02:37:37,596
We're not meeting. That year. So my question to the

1913
02:37:37,596 --> 02:37:42,872
clerk, so people understand my thought process here. Is that?

1914
02:37:42,872 --> 02:37:45,512
To get out of this meeting and document what it

1915
02:37:45,512 --> 02:37:49,809
is that we've talked. About is. A motion to receive.

1916
02:37:51,092 --> 02:37:59,794
These reports for information. To refer. The budgets back to

1917
02:37:59,794 --> 02:38:05,680
the mayor. For amendment. I'll say a revision. Whichever word

1918
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:11,511
you want to use. To have them returned. Released back

1919
02:38:11,511 --> 02:38:18,285
to council. Within seven days. Which would then start. The

1920
02:38:18,285 --> 02:38:23,132
30 day. Time period pursuant to the strong mayor's budget.

1921
02:38:24,853 --> 02:38:30,032
Timetable. So that would encapsulate everything that needs to occur.

1922
02:38:31,664 --> 02:38:33,304
The clerk said, I'm not sure we can do that.

1923
02:38:35,108 --> 02:38:36,948
I laughed because I said I'm not sure who's going

1924
02:38:36,948 --> 02:38:42,002
to give us heck. By doing it. Councilor Kenneth, did

1925
02:38:42,002 --> 02:38:44,762
you still want to ask the question? Well, I guess

1926
02:38:44,762 --> 02:38:50,946
a comment more on the whole debt thing. It sounds

1927
02:38:50,946 --> 02:38:53,066
to me like a lot of projects that we've done

1928
02:38:53,066 --> 02:38:58,618
so far. We've paid out of our own cash. And

1929
02:38:58,618 --> 02:38:59,898
we haven't gone out and got it loan for it

1930
02:38:59,898 --> 02:39:05,748
yet. And so I think we need. To. And perhaps

1931
02:39:05,748 --> 02:39:10,588
this agrees with councilor Wilson and councilor Derbyshire. I think

1932
02:39:10,588 --> 02:39:13,388
we need to. Start getting an idea of what kind

1933
02:39:13,388 --> 02:39:17,588
of debt payments the municipality is going to face moving

1934
02:39:17,588 --> 02:39:22,376
forward. Both in terms of principle and interest, because. That's.

1935
02:39:23,712 --> 02:39:27,032
When we go out and get these loans for projects

1936
02:39:27,032 --> 02:39:31,192
already completed, then the cash comes back in. From the

1937
02:39:31,192 --> 02:39:38,018
debt. Or the loan that's been received. And I think

1938
02:39:38,018 --> 02:39:43,016
we need to have an understanding of. When. And I

1939
02:39:43,016 --> 02:39:48,219
think Councilor Wilse mentioned that, too. An understanding. Of how

1940
02:39:48,219 --> 02:39:52,738
projects move forward. Like, for example, say we do the

1941
02:39:52,738 --> 02:39:55,618
police annex, I just throw that out there and it's.

1942
02:39:55,618 --> 02:39:59,258
A project that's going to start in 2026 and be

1943
02:39:59,258 --> 02:40:04,124
completed in 2027. And at that time, During the whole

1944
02:40:04,124 --> 02:40:07,524
construction process. We finance it internally, basically use our own

1945
02:40:07,524 --> 02:40:09,924
cash, and then we go. Out to market to get

1946
02:40:09,924 --> 02:40:14,542
a loan. And that's something new for the municipality because

1947
02:40:14,542 --> 02:40:18,862
depth has always been such a small portion. Of the

1948
02:40:18,862 --> 02:40:25,304
actual. Taxation cash. I guess that's used, if that makes

1949
02:40:25,304 --> 02:40:27,064
sense, what I'm saying, so. I think we need to

1950
02:40:27,064 --> 02:40:30,664
get a better handle on principal and interest payments moving

1951
02:40:30,664 --> 02:40:35,328
forward. If that makes sense, what I just said. So.

1952
02:40:38,401 --> 02:40:41,908
I think in addition, To the police annex being added.

1953
02:40:41,908 --> 02:40:45,355
I think we need to get a better idea. Of

1954
02:40:45,355 --> 02:40:48,755
debt, principal and interest payments moving forward and how you

1955
02:40:48,755 --> 02:40:52,955
see that external debt curve kind of going up over

1956
02:40:52,955 --> 02:40:54,835
the next number of years again, making I know we

1957
02:40:54,835 --> 02:40:57,555
haven't passed a debt policy yet, but again, having some

1958
02:40:57,555 --> 02:41:02,235
understanding and using the assumptions that vehicles are over x

1959
02:41:02,235 --> 02:41:04,395
number of years and roads over x number of years

1960
02:41:04,395 --> 02:41:06,707
and all that kind. Of stuff. So if that makes

1961
02:41:06,707 --> 02:41:10,547
sense, what I just said. Thank you, Councilor Brennan. I

1962
02:41:10,547 --> 02:41:12,987
agree. With all that assistant wondering whether the motion that

1963
02:41:12,987 --> 02:41:17,747
you outlined should include specifically that we're looking for the

1964
02:41:17,747 --> 02:41:22,107
inclusion of the capital renovations to the police headquarters, and

1965
02:41:22,107 --> 02:41:26,099
we're also looking for a revised or updated. Debt schedule

1966
02:41:26,099 --> 02:41:29,635
for the 20th. Those need to be included. Start to

1967
02:41:29,635 --> 02:41:32,939
draft a motion for it. I think that would move

1968
02:41:32,939 --> 02:41:41,005
that. By January 20, we receive. A revised.

1969
02:41:42,474 --> 02:41:46,914
Municipal budget from the mayor, which includes the renovations, the

1970
02:41:46,914 --> 02:41:50,674
capital renovations to the police headquarters, and a revised debt

1971
02:41:50,674 --> 02:41:58,375
schedule. Catch up before we go any further. She's typing

1972
02:41:58,375 --> 02:42:04,416
quickly. And we'll start it out. We receive this report

1973
02:42:04,416 --> 02:42:08,707
for information, we receive a report. Councilor Brennan. Just 1

1974
02:42:08,707 --> 02:42:13,904
second. Just. Everything that the deputy mayor said, but then

1975
02:42:13,904 --> 02:42:18,264
specifically that we received by January 20, I'm a revised

1976
02:42:18,264 --> 02:42:21,584
municipal budget from the mayor, which includes the capital renovation,

1977
02:42:21,584 --> 02:42:28,958
the police headquartered project and a revised debt schedule. From

1978
02:42:28,958 --> 02:42:37,827
the director of finance. I just want to let the

1979
02:42:37,827 --> 02:42:44,600
person catch up. Okay. Councilor Derbyshire. Councilor. I just want

1980
02:42:44,600 --> 02:42:47,960
to ask why we're receiving this. For information. Why we're

1981
02:42:47,960 --> 02:42:51,360
just. Not deferring it to get it updated on the

1982
02:42:51,360 --> 02:42:54,080
20th because at that point, what we're saying is we're

1983
02:42:54,080 --> 02:42:58,307
accepting this. As. Is not what you do when you

1984
02:42:58,307 --> 02:43:01,147
receive it for information as you accept it, it's. Now

1985
02:43:01,147 --> 02:43:03,507
logged in. Whereas if we don't accept it and send

1986
02:43:03,507 --> 02:43:07,130
it back. You're asking for better clarity. Sending it back.

1987
02:43:07,130 --> 02:43:09,130
We have to say we received something to send back.

1988
02:43:09,130 --> 02:43:12,983
I think, like we discussed this afternoon. In my anything

1989
02:43:12,983 --> 02:43:15,903
I've ever read, when we receive it for information, it

1990
02:43:15,903 --> 02:43:18,583
just means they get to buy it. But that's what

1991
02:43:18,583 --> 02:43:23,344
you're now filing, misinformation. We're asking for it to go

1992
02:43:23,344 --> 02:43:25,784
back and be revised so it doesn't start. The 30

1993
02:43:25,784 --> 02:43:29,777
day clock. That's the whole point to it. Wouldn't it?

1994
02:43:29,777 --> 02:43:33,072
Start it if you receive it. That's what I was

1995
02:43:33,072 --> 02:43:35,032
thinking. If you receive it today, it should start the

1996
02:43:35,032 --> 02:43:37,032
clock now. You're. The mayor says he's okay if it

1997
02:43:37,032 --> 02:43:40,853
doesn't start to clock. By then. Get her hands left.

1998
02:43:40,853 --> 02:43:43,773
I wish I knew the process better, councilor. I don't.

1999
02:43:43,773 --> 02:43:48,637
I'm. Just trying to get this meeting wrapped up. And

2000
02:43:48,637 --> 02:43:55,476
a pathway forward. I get it. Whatever. But I think

2001
02:43:55,476 --> 02:43:57,796
anytime that we're talking about documents, I think we have

2002
02:43:57,796 --> 02:44:02,936
to receive them. We usually do that. First receive the

2003
02:44:02,936 --> 02:44:07,372
documents, and then we have our discussions about it. Councilor

2004
02:44:07,372 --> 02:44:10,172
Felkman, did you have a comment before we move? I

2005
02:44:10,172 --> 02:44:17,445
did. So I just want to clarify what's a change

2006
02:44:17,445 --> 02:44:22,636
and what's not a change. So I. Think that. The

2007
02:44:22,636 --> 02:44:25,796
list of projects and stuff that's identified, if we were

2008
02:44:25,796 --> 02:44:27,956
to add or remove any of those to me. That's

2009
02:44:27,956 --> 02:44:31,876
a change. If we're seeking clarification on numbers to me.

2010
02:44:31,876 --> 02:44:35,979
That's not a change and can happen without motion. To

2011
02:44:35,979 --> 02:44:39,419
speed the process up. So if somebody points out a

2012
02:44:39,419 --> 02:44:44,714
glaring error and said, hey, this number is incorrect. It

2013
02:44:44,714 --> 02:44:46,954
should be able to be changed without a motion because.

2014
02:44:48,244 --> 02:44:51,084
It's not changing the budget that's being presented, it's just

2015
02:44:51,084 --> 02:44:54,731
making sure. That the numbers are being correct. Has nothing

2016
02:44:54,731 --> 02:44:57,131
to do with the motion that's just grafted now. Just

2017
02:44:57,131 --> 02:45:05,528
saying moving forward. If we discover. That. The numbers are

2018
02:45:05,528 --> 02:45:10,098
incorrect. Without adding or removing any items. We're not changing

2019
02:45:10,098 --> 02:45:12,778
the budget that's being proposed. We're just making sure the

2020
02:45:12,778 --> 02:45:18,576
information is correct. Okay. I agree with that. So within

2021
02:45:18,576 --> 02:45:22,056
seven days, we have documents that we're going to start

2022
02:45:22,056 --> 02:45:28,378
a 30 day clock. On. And. Amendments are to be

2023
02:45:28,378 --> 02:45:31,378
drafted and sent to the clerk basically as soon as

2024
02:45:31,378 --> 02:45:35,258
possible. We do have a meeting for February 11 scheduled,

2025
02:45:35,258 --> 02:45:38,449
which we can keep. It's probably a good idea to

2026
02:45:38,449 --> 02:45:41,209
keep it, see if we can deal with all the

2027
02:45:41,209 --> 02:45:45,817
amendments. That still leaves us seven days if we need

2028
02:45:45,817 --> 02:45:50,794
a second meeting. If not. We collapse the 30 day

2029
02:45:50,794 --> 02:45:53,074
at that point in time, because we can do that

2030
02:45:53,074 --> 02:45:56,434
and send it directly over to the mayor, which starts

2031
02:45:56,434 --> 02:45:59,621
his phase of the veal. Which he's already commented upon.

2032
02:46:01,700 --> 02:46:03,500
We don't have to keep 30 days, but we've got

2033
02:46:03,500 --> 02:46:05,340
it if we need. To come back for a second

2034
02:46:05,340 --> 02:46:09,944
meeting. Or a third meeting, as the case is. I

2035
02:46:09,944 --> 02:46:17,032
got it. A question of clarification on this amendment. Changing

2036
02:46:17,032 --> 02:46:22,748
numbers. Do I email everybody? Not my amendment. But do

2037
02:46:22,748 --> 02:46:26,567
I say? I say, look, there's a percentage change. Or

2038
02:46:26,567 --> 02:46:28,207
this didn't add up. Or maybe this number isn't right.

2039
02:46:29,593 --> 02:46:32,473
Does that go to all of council, so that we're

2040
02:46:32,473 --> 02:46:36,990
all aware of a number change? Obviously, I would send

2041
02:46:36,990 --> 02:46:39,590
my amendment to the clerk or whatever it lists on

2042
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:41,950
this name, and then we would deal with the amendments.

2043
02:46:43,238 --> 02:46:47,003
At that meeting. But if we're talking about. Let's say

2044
02:46:47,003 --> 02:46:49,123
you notice the debt schedule just using it right now.

2045
02:46:50,464 --> 02:46:52,264
And the numbers are off. Do I email everyone and

2046
02:46:52,264 --> 02:46:54,464
say, hey, I think the numbers are off? On this.

2047
02:46:56,186 --> 02:46:58,066
Because we're not coming back to meet and meet and

2048
02:46:58,066 --> 02:47:01,266
meet. We're going to just analyze this ourselves and you're

2049
02:47:01,266 --> 02:47:03,186
going to have two more meetings we'd have. Time for

2050
02:47:03,186 --> 02:47:06,626
two more meetings if needed. But two thoughts. Good point.

2051
02:47:06,626 --> 02:47:07,906
Because then at least we all get to see the

2052
02:47:07,906 --> 02:47:10,346
conversation, but we have to be careful that we don't

2053
02:47:10,346 --> 02:47:18,422
engage. In. An unscheduled meeting by responding. As soon as

2054
02:47:18,422 --> 02:47:22,358
we start that email chain now. We're tell Madam Clerk

2055
02:47:22,358 --> 02:47:28,524
I think that's your realm of expertise. You're welcome. Thank

2056
02:47:28,524 --> 02:47:36,499
you. This is all very brand new territory, so. We're

2057
02:47:36,499 --> 02:47:40,185
just trying to navigate. I would definitely encourage you. If

2058
02:47:40,185 --> 02:47:43,705
you do find something of an error, then I would

2059
02:47:43,705 --> 02:47:47,534
encourage you. To contact the directors. I think it would

2060
02:47:47,534 --> 02:47:50,254
be helpful to keep counsel in the loop as long

2061
02:47:50,254 --> 02:47:56,003
as the deputy mayor said to keep it. Not engaging

2062
02:47:56,003 --> 02:47:58,843
like it would be advancing business or a meeting. But

2063
02:47:58,843 --> 02:48:02,163
if you're just pointing out something that you found, I

2064
02:48:02,163 --> 02:48:04,483
would encourage you to include everyone. So everyone is on

2065
02:48:04,483 --> 02:48:07,642
the same. Page. Yeah. Does that make sense? Does that

2066
02:48:07,642 --> 02:48:12,392
help at all? 100%. Is it better if when you

2067
02:48:12,392 --> 02:48:22,124
send your amendments to the clerk. If. There of a

2068
02:48:22,124 --> 02:48:24,964
fashion that she feels needs to be released immediately. She

2069
02:48:24,964 --> 02:48:27,800
could release them out. We don't comment about them. We

2070
02:48:27,800 --> 02:48:32,860
don't get into an email chain. We leave it to

2071
02:48:32,860 --> 02:48:39,180
the clerk. I'm afraid of an email chain getting going

2072
02:48:39,180 --> 02:48:45,870
and they happen quickly and easily. Councilor Kenneth, actually. So

2073
02:48:45,870 --> 02:48:47,750
we have a motion up on the floor. John made

2074
02:48:47,750 --> 02:48:51,649
a motion. Do we have a seconder for that motion?

2075
02:48:51,649 --> 02:48:56,126
Councilor of healthman, any other comment on the motion. Yes.

2076
02:48:57,413 --> 02:49:03,080
It's really on the motion. Uncovering. An addition error to

2077
02:49:03,080 --> 02:49:08,192
me isn't a change to the budget. To me. Saying

2078
02:49:08,192 --> 02:49:12,248
we need to drop that program or drop that. Project

2079
02:49:12,248 --> 02:49:15,208
or add that project to me that's making a change

2080
02:49:15,208 --> 02:49:17,888
to the budget, but correcting. An error. I don't really

2081
02:49:17,888 --> 02:49:21,157
see that as a change. So then, if it's just

2082
02:49:21,157 --> 02:49:25,544
an error that's been noted, And madam Clerk sent that

2083
02:49:25,544 --> 02:49:29,184
all out. Just so you know, councilor Kenneth noted an

2084
02:49:29,184 --> 02:49:34,668
error. It's grammatical or. That everybody knows we all don't

2085
02:49:34,668 --> 02:49:38,965
have to send in the same thing. But what we

2086
02:49:38,965 --> 02:49:42,020
don't want to do is get involved. In an email

2087
02:49:42,020 --> 02:49:45,940
chains because that's not proper. Councilor Brennan and then we're

2088
02:49:45,940 --> 02:49:47,860
going to call this to a vote. Here's a fun

2089
02:49:47,860 --> 02:49:52,140
idea. If we're all going to be grading up, maybe

2090
02:49:52,140 --> 02:49:53,860
we won't be, but let's say a few of us

2091
02:49:53,860 --> 02:49:56,620
write up written amendments that we're sending into the clerk

2092
02:49:56,620 --> 02:49:58,620
and we want other people to know about them when

2093
02:49:58,620 --> 02:50:01,740
we want to avoid email chains and all this sort

2094
02:50:01,740 --> 02:50:02,820
of stuff, and it's all going to be done by

2095
02:50:02,820 --> 02:50:07,042
February 11. There's nothing saying we couldn't have a meeting

2096
02:50:07,042 --> 02:50:10,602
on February the fourth. If you will. Where each of

2097
02:50:10,602 --> 02:50:13,362
us could bring in with us if we wanted to

2098
02:50:13,362 --> 02:50:15,762
a copy of our written amendment and we could just

2099
02:50:15,762 --> 02:50:19,202
say, hey, other members of council, here's three written amendments

2100
02:50:19,202 --> 02:50:21,322
that I have submitted, and I'm just going to let

2101
02:50:21,322 --> 02:50:23,922
you know about them in this meeting. And then we

2102
02:50:23,922 --> 02:50:26,122
could all do that. And if it turns out that

2103
02:50:26,122 --> 02:50:29,810
there were. A total of eleven amendments that were put

2104
02:50:29,810 --> 02:50:33,050
forward by all of us. We could take five minutes.

2105
02:50:33,050 --> 02:50:34,890
And talk about each one. We don't have to make

2106
02:50:34,890 --> 02:50:38,210
a decision, but at least everybody knows that amendments are

2107
02:50:38,210 --> 02:50:42,949
being proposed before we get to another meeting. I think

2108
02:50:42,949 --> 02:50:45,269
we do best when we sit down and meet with

2109
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:49,671
each other physically. And if we have. A form that

2110
02:50:49,671 --> 02:50:54,654
we have to submit. Electronically to the clerk. Well. It

2111
02:50:54,654 --> 02:50:56,414
doesn't take an extra effort to maybe just print it

2112
02:50:56,414 --> 02:50:59,734
out at home or have it on your device and

2113
02:50:59,734 --> 02:51:01,574
come to a meeting. And just, even though it's already

2114
02:51:01,574 --> 02:51:04,414
been submitted. Each of us takes turns saying, here's an

2115
02:51:04,414 --> 02:51:08,214
amendment that I submitted. Does anybody want to talk about

2116
02:51:08,214 --> 02:51:11,334
it for five minutes. We're not looking about passing it

2117
02:51:11,334 --> 02:51:14,054
or making a motion, but let's just talk to each

2118
02:51:14,054 --> 02:51:16,459
other. About the amendments that we put in and have

2119
02:51:16,459 --> 02:51:19,659
that pre discussion before we get to a February 11

2120
02:51:19,659 --> 02:51:21,779
meeting when they're all on the table and we have

2121
02:51:21,779 --> 02:51:24,275
to make decisions. So I think we do best when

2122
02:51:24,275 --> 02:51:26,955
we sit and talk to each other, and I have

2123
02:51:26,955 --> 02:51:29,635
no objection to a meeting where we'd all sit down

2124
02:51:29,635 --> 02:51:32,195
and say, I might come in here. And say I

2125
02:51:32,195 --> 02:51:35,810
made no amendments. And maybe Steve's made two and he

2126
02:51:35,810 --> 02:51:38,570
reads them out and bose made five or one. Or

2127
02:51:38,570 --> 02:51:43,030
none. And that way everybody knows that other people have

2128
02:51:43,030 --> 02:51:46,630
made amendments and we have an opportunity to discuss them,

2129
02:51:46,630 --> 02:51:49,510
maybe not decide them that night. And then everybody goes

2130
02:51:49,510 --> 02:51:51,590
home and sleeps on it for a week. And then

2131
02:51:51,590 --> 02:51:53,590
we come to a February 11 meeting where the amendments

2132
02:51:53,590 --> 02:51:57,267
come up for votes. I just think that way we

2133
02:51:57,267 --> 02:52:04,283
avoid the whole email chain. It humanizes the process. So

2134
02:52:04,283 --> 02:52:06,043
hold that thought for a moment. There's a motion on

2135
02:52:06,043 --> 02:52:14,600
the floor. About receiving it for information. And then. Referring

2136
02:52:14,600 --> 02:52:18,764
it back to the mayor for revision. With the inclusion.

2137
02:52:21,729 --> 02:52:28,586
Of the police annex. And. The depth. Revised debt schedule.

2138
02:52:31,415 --> 02:52:37,067
Revised debt schedule. That's good. Looking for a debt schedule.

2139
02:52:37,067 --> 02:52:41,290
So on that motion. Seconded motion. All in favor? Opposed.

2140
02:52:42,898 --> 02:52:48,892
Did you vote in favor of it? Is abstain from

2141
02:52:48,892 --> 02:52:52,766
it. That carries. Okay, Mr. Mayor, and then we'll deal

2142
02:52:52,766 --> 02:52:59,735
with when the next meeting is going to be. Just

2143
02:52:59,735 --> 02:53:03,646
two comments. I'm glad everybody was looking that way, not

2144
02:53:03,646 --> 02:53:06,806
looking here because I was smiling, because I want to

2145
02:53:06,806 --> 02:53:12,050
tell the council why? We're not unusual. All the readings

2146
02:53:12,050 --> 02:53:14,930
that I have done on the strong mayor powers and

2147
02:53:14,930 --> 02:53:20,208
the presentation to council. Has elicited the same conversation, so

2148
02:53:20,208 --> 02:53:24,284
I would suggest. I know for a fact. Cambridge, their

2149
02:53:24,284 --> 02:53:27,954
council. There was frustration with the process. I believe it

2150
02:53:27,954 --> 02:53:32,194
was St. Mary, so we're not unusual. Deputy mayor. Every

2151
02:53:32,194 --> 02:53:35,594
council has wrestled with this in using the strong mayor

2152
02:53:35,594 --> 02:53:39,794
powers. And secondly, I'm glad to hear the discussion about

2153
02:53:39,794 --> 02:53:42,434
the debt and the debt policy, because that was kind

2154
02:53:42,434 --> 02:53:46,946
of my focus moving forward. Is. Everybody's mentioned it. Where

2155
02:53:46,946 --> 02:53:48,986
are we at with our debt and how are we

2156
02:53:48,986 --> 02:53:51,226
going? To use it moving forward. So again, smiling, because

2157
02:53:51,226 --> 02:53:55,306
I'm glad to hear all the discussion. About debt. So

2158
02:53:55,306 --> 02:54:00,352
that's it. Chair. Thank you. Yeah. It's not a good

2159
02:54:00,352 --> 02:54:03,032
situation trying to build the process while we're in the

2160
02:54:03,032 --> 02:54:05,672
process, but thank you. Sorry. I was going to say

2161
02:54:05,672 --> 02:54:07,912
it's not fun building the process. While we're in the

2162
02:54:07,912 --> 02:54:12,066
process. On this, but we got through it. So, next

2163
02:54:12,066 --> 02:54:14,838
meeting? When do you want the next meeting to be?

2164
02:54:16,772 --> 02:54:20,447
The third. You want? The 3 February. What day of

2165
02:54:20,447 --> 02:54:24,127
the week is that? Tuesday. A Tuesday. Tuesday the 3.

2166
02:54:24,127 --> 02:54:31,713
February at 430. No. Tuesday doesn't work for councilor Pammer.

2167
02:54:31,713 --> 02:54:36,368
No, the third. I have something booked, but I guess

2168
02:54:36,368 --> 02:54:38,448
I could try to change it. I'm the only one.

2169
02:54:40,363 --> 02:54:45,083
How about Wednesday the 28th? There's one tentatively booked by

2170
02:54:45,083 --> 02:54:51,258
staff for Wednesday the 28 or 30. Councilor Temple can't

2171
02:54:51,258 --> 02:54:56,592
make Wednesdays. Can we not just change the strategic priority?

2172
02:54:58,291 --> 02:55:07,231
One strategic priority sets. It starts at what time? Do

2173
02:55:07,231 --> 02:55:14,978
you want to meet? At. 430 to do the budget.

2174
02:55:16,548 --> 02:55:22,001
430 for a 30 minutes. Budget discussion prior to starting

2175
02:55:22,001 --> 02:55:25,953
strategic priorities. You won't get it done. 30 minutes. 30

2176
02:55:25,953 --> 02:55:30,412
minutes. It's just to say what amendments you're thinking about

2177
02:55:30,412 --> 02:55:37,446
bringing forward. And then we meet on the 11th. To

2178
02:55:37,446 --> 02:55:40,006
amered up. It still gives you seven days if you

2179
02:55:40,006 --> 02:55:42,366
wanted another one on the 20th. We could start at

2180
02:55:42,366 --> 02:55:48,386
430 and go till. No, we can't. Stretch it, like

2181
02:55:48,386 --> 02:55:52,240
do it all in one day rather than. Do it

2182
02:55:52,240 --> 02:55:59,487
twice. We're going to begin then on Monday. The 26

2183
02:55:59,487 --> 02:56:03,546
January at 430. For a continuation of the budget process.

2184
02:56:04,835 --> 02:56:08,959
Bring your amendments. We're good at that. Sorry. Clarification. Do

2185
02:56:08,959 --> 02:56:10,879
we bring our amendments or do we. Submit them ahead

2186
02:56:10,879 --> 02:56:13,439
of time. Well, submit them ahead of time, but bring

2187
02:56:13,439 --> 02:56:16,279
your amendments to the meeting. To discuss with everybody else

2188
02:56:16,279 --> 02:56:21,372
to tell everybody else what your amendments are. Instead of

2189
02:56:21,372 --> 02:56:24,132
circulating them outside of council, I was going to ask.

2190
02:56:26,974 --> 02:56:30,903
Put on an agenda then. Not until the February 11.

2191
02:56:30,903 --> 02:56:37,212
February the 11th. Are we live? On the 26th? Yeah.

2192
02:56:38,006 --> 02:56:46,605
What we like. Just for clarification, all the amendments are

2193
02:56:46,605 --> 02:56:49,499
going to be on the agenda. You can bring other

2194
02:56:49,499 --> 02:56:52,739
amendments later. We'll have a big discussion meeting on the

2195
02:56:52,739 --> 02:56:56,495
11th. But if you want to. But for that meeting,

2196
02:56:56,495 --> 02:56:59,255
we have to have them submitted early because we can't

2197
02:56:59,255 --> 02:57:03,946
discuss anything that's not on the agenda. My understanding from

2198
02:57:03,946 --> 02:57:06,506
councilor Brennan was not to just do a big discussion

2199
02:57:06,506 --> 02:57:10,146
about him, but to. Tell everybody. Here's what I'm thinking

2200
02:57:10,146 --> 02:57:12,866
of bringing forward. You can put your mind to it.

2201
02:57:12,866 --> 02:57:17,694
Go home, take a look. At what it is councilor

2202
02:57:17,694 --> 02:57:20,454
Brennan has commented on. Come back in on the 11th

2203
02:57:20,454 --> 02:57:24,108
and be prepared. To decide whether you want to move

2204
02:57:24,108 --> 02:57:27,788
that motion forward or not that amendment forward. And I

2205
02:57:27,788 --> 02:57:29,548
guess my point is, by council rules, unless it's on

2206
02:57:29,548 --> 02:57:32,388
the agenda, we can't talk. About it, right? That's just

2207
02:57:32,388 --> 02:57:34,748
what I'm getting for. Is there a deadline to submit

2208
02:57:34,748 --> 02:57:37,308
amendments for that meeting, or can we bring them in

2209
02:57:37,308 --> 02:57:39,948
and not let anybody know except the clerk, like, say,

2210
02:57:39,948 --> 02:57:41,828
on the Friday over the weekend before that meeting and

2211
02:57:41,828 --> 02:57:43,662
still discuss them, I think. You can bring those ones

2212
02:57:43,662 --> 02:57:46,462
in any time. I think you can just walk in

2213
02:57:46,462 --> 02:57:48,902
on that meeting. On the 26th. You can walk in

2214
02:57:48,902 --> 02:57:50,622
with your amendment in your back pocket if you want.

2215
02:57:52,247 --> 02:57:54,527
Submit it five days prior to the 11th to get

2216
02:57:54,527 --> 02:57:57,087
it on the agenda, and that's when council is going

2217
02:57:57,087 --> 02:57:59,967
to do their discussion, their deep dive on it and

2218
02:57:59,967 --> 02:58:05,197
hopefully make resolution. By vote and motion to the mayor.

2219
02:58:06,816 --> 02:58:13,455
Councilor pellman. Technically, would that not be a workshop? Not

2220
02:58:13,455 --> 02:58:16,008
a complete. Is that a workshop?

2221
02:58:23,689 --> 02:58:26,409
Council meeting. It'll be the same as special meeting, same

2222
02:58:26,409 --> 02:58:32,389
as. Just be a short special meeting. No motions be

2223
02:58:32,389 --> 02:58:35,269
that's a preparatory meeting to the 11th. Meeting is all

2224
02:58:35,269 --> 02:58:42,046
it is. Okay, motion to adjourn council. She said we

2225
02:58:42,046 --> 02:58:48,676
can't do that yet. No. There isn't a bylaw. I'm

2226
02:58:48,676 --> 02:58:53,857
looking for a motion. That bylaw number 426 receive 1st,

2227
02:58:53,857 --> 02:58:57,057
2nd, third and final reading. What is that? Just a.

2228
02:58:57,057 --> 02:59:02,142
Bylaw to approve proceedings of the meeting. Oh, I see.

2229
02:59:02,142 --> 02:59:04,182
It says that underneath there a bylaw to confirm the

2230
02:59:04,182 --> 02:59:06,822
proceedings at the special. Council meeting of the corporation Municipality

2231
02:59:06,822 --> 02:59:10,582
of Strathwide cared on somebody to make a motion councilor.

2232
02:59:10,582 --> 02:59:14,822
Kenneth, councilor Hippo. Thank you. All in favor? Path carries.

2233
02:59:17,190 --> 02:59:21,870
Motion to adjourn. Councilor Hippo, Councilor Kenneth, all in favor?

2234
02:59:21,870 --> 02:59:26,452
We stand adjourned 728, thank you. Good job, Mike.