1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:10,639 Check your mailbox. >> We are live. 2 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:13,440 » All right. I'd like to call this police and fire committee meeting together. Mr. 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,280 Burnside >> here. 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:21,199 » Miss Pinglet here >> and Mr. Bass is here. 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:25,519 » So, Mr. Bernsteag asked me last week to bring this uh 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:31,279 committee together cuz he wants to go over uh the ordinance that we are trying 7 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:35,360 to pass that was going to be in the second reading. The one that requires a 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,559 uniform police officer to direct traffic when any construction or work 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,920 necessities or blocking or closing of certain 10 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:46,079 streets here within. I know we talked about this that we have to revisit it 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,879 and we have to go over a little bit a couple glitches here, but Mr. Burnside 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:54,879 being on the committee says he wants to uh express some opinions and obviously 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,199 we could go over it now. >> Sure. 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:01,359 » So I'm going to give the floor to you. >> Thank you. Um first of all I don't like 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,800 the word mandatory in there for everything. 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:08,640 » I agree. >> Um I think these jobs go out to bid 17 00:01:06,479 --> 00:01:14,880 which the price of a police officer on is going to increase the cost of the job 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:19,680 for everybody. Um anyway, if they go out for bid and I think the safety service 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:23,840 director should be the one to decide whether or not we need police officers 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:27,200 on that job. >> So that would take the mandatory out 21 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:31,360 leave it up to him. >> I I couldn't agree more about the cost. 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,960 I think that's something it's our duty to try to moderate as much as we can, 23 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,840 especially when you really think about it that we're going to have a lot of 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:42,560 city projects that this is going to add to, right? And when we blanket a whole 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,840 street like let's say Sexton, there's a lot of places on Sexton that aren't 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:49,280 going to require hardly anything. There's a lot of places on Sexton that 27 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:54,000 are going to require traffic control. There's some that might require an 28 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:58,479 officer, too. If we identify all of those streets that they identified, plus 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:03,680 some other ones that I kind of talked to the mayor about that are an issue, I 30 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:07,840 think we can go as far as adding any intersection. If you're working in an 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:11,200 intersection, you at least need to consult the safety service director 32 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:15,120 first. And if you are in an >> inter all the all the paving jobs, they 33 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:20,239 got to get basically permits >> permits. But however, 34 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:24,879 I I was thinking about this in the the terms of all of these streets, the other 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:29,440 safety concerns that we have addressed, right? Intersection. Let's say you're 36 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:34,480 doing a patch on the road that's more than 300 square feet. It's a certain 37 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,760 distance on any road. You should probably consult with the safety service 38 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:40,160 director and see how he wants you to proceed. 39 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:45,200 » It's not that different. When I go to Loville, I get in touch with Joanne, 40 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:49,680 that is basically their safety service director anytime I cut their road and 41 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,519 see how do you want me to proceed? How would you like traffic control? And 42 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:58,720 here's what here's my plan. I was going to shut down the northbound lane and let 43 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:02,720 the southbound lane flow free. Detour around. and she'll either say that's 44 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:07,040 great or you're going to need something. Uh when I deal with the county, it's the 45 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,720 same way. You know, if we're on a main road, 46 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,800 » so you provide your own >> correct, but it's you're going to ask 47 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:17,040 them, what are you going to require for this job? Are you going to require AWP 48 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:21,680 to come out? Are you going to require an officer to come out? Um so, 49 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:26,879 » so we don't need an officer if AWP's there. Well, I I think the safety 50 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,519 service director, there's certain times that might say that he would have to be 51 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:34,400 there as well. >> Well, I I think that we should change 52 00:03:31,519 --> 00:03:38,480 that to putting all of this on the safety service director. We're just kind 53 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:43,360 of deeming >> what streets and what situations. 54 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:48,560 Correct. If we if we can set parameters for what situations we think you must go 55 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:53,680 to the safety service director for prior to doing this, I think we've done our 56 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:58,239 job best we can. Cuz in all of those scenarios, it's almost it's almost case 57 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,280 specific. Right. >> Absolutely. So, like I said, on a street 58 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:05,360 like Sexton, if we're going to say every time Sexton's cut it, you have to have 59 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:09,519 an officer out there or every time there's construction, you have to have 60 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,640 an officer or you have to provide this, you're shortsighted because there's 61 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:16,560 cases that we needed, there's cases that we don't. However, if we do our job by 62 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:20,560 saying, "You have to go to the safety service director anytime you're working 63 00:04:17,919 --> 00:04:23,600 on this street and ask him >> what's your requirements?" 64 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:28,800 » Correct. then we've covered ourselves the best we can and we've given it an 65 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:34,560 opportunity to basically put the least amount of cost 66 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:37,120 on the the construction company or on the entity doing the work. 67 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:41,280 » Hopefully, it's far enough in advance where the police officer who does it is 68 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,280 notified in time. >> Sure. And Anthony, I'm sorry, as the 69 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,560 safety service director, he would be able to make all of those specific. If I 70 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:51,199 if this is going to be a big job and you're going to be there 10 hours, it's 71 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,520 different than if you're going to be there one, let's let Anthony make that 72 00:04:53,120 --> 00:05:00,000 distinction and let's also put it if it's going to be in a a heavy area on 73 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,960 sex or heavy area the things that you do for opera. 74 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:04,320 » Yes. >> How long does it take you to do that? 75 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,320 » Sometimes a whole day. >> So I don't think I an officer for one 76 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:13,759 day job. >> Sometimes an hour. But I would say in 77 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:18,479 all of these case specific times, if we just put it to Anthony to say anytime 78 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:23,759 you're working on these roads, anytime you're in an intersection, set some 79 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:28,240 parameters. Anytime the road cut or the construction on the road is x amount of 80 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:33,919 space, you're required to call Anthony and he can make the decision of do I 81 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,720 want an officer, do I want AWP, do I want both? I agree. 82 00:05:35,039 --> 00:05:41,199 » Or you know what, you're only going to be there for two hours on this street. 83 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,320 set up some cones and some traffic signs and I'll be okay with that. Yeah, 84 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,960 » then he can actually go up and inspect it 85 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,320 » 100%. And he you if you told Anthony the exact address you're working at, he 86 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:56,400 would know the portion of the road and know basically what you need what you're 87 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:58,560 doing. So that's going to make it case specific. 88 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,080 » What do you think? >> No, this is all sounding really good. 89 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:06,479 » That that's kind of the way I figure it. And it's not that far out of realm from 90 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:11,440 other places that we do it. So, if we set the streets that we we want anytime 91 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:17,440 you before you work here, >> intersections, large patches, uh large 92 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:22,240 road work of any kind, and I think to be honest with you, on the streets that 93 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:26,639 we've selected, we should expand it cuz it just says roadway. Okay? Now, a lot 94 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:31,759 of times, I'll be honest, if I'm working in the right of way, the road right 95 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:37,919 ofway, you know, curb, devil strip, sidewalk, my equipment is on the road. 96 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:41,759 So if I'm on Poland Avenue, whether I'm working in the road or working on the 97 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:46,639 rightway, I'm obstructing traffic. >> Sure. So in we should add that instance 98 00:06:44,479 --> 00:06:50,880 to here on those streets. And again, let Anthony make the decision. He's going to 99 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:54,720 know you can get away with just the cop. You're going to need a a zone setup, a 100 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,360 safety zone setup, and you're going to need a flagging crew. 101 00:06:55,759 --> 00:06:59,440 » Do you do that? >> You check with these guys with before 102 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,880 you do your >> I checked with Bob. No, I No, that's all 103 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:09,360 on us. I checked with Bob when Bob was here every time. Um I have checked with 104 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,240 » the >> and it works fine. 105 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:15,680 » Street supervisor. Yeah. >> Um and I think that most of the 106 00:07:13,919 --> 00:07:19,680 companies who are doing that grade or that level of work, 107 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:23,840 » they know how traffic control should go. This is just another step of saying we 108 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:28,720 want our safety service director to make sure that it's safe in in each of these 109 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:32,639 situations. Now, I've I've always contacted them. I mean, maybe we didn't 110 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:37,520 if we were on a street that seen two cars and we were going to be there half 111 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:42,080 a day, but I think if we set this into ordinance, I think this is fine. And I 112 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:47,280 think we if we're sending it to Anthony and sending it to the safety service 113 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:50,560 director, we can broaden, like I said, working in the Devil strip. 114 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:55,120 » We can broaden the number of streets because ultimately it's going to be 115 00:07:52,479 --> 00:07:58,720 Anthony that makes that decision. We're just basically giving the ammunition 116 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,360 there for him to make that decision. I agree. I think that's a good route to 117 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:04,360 go. >> Y 118 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,759 » this way it's not we're not blanketing things that you know, hey, I use Sexton 119 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:16,080 as the example cuz there's parts that are fine and there's parts that are bad, 120 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:21,280 right? Um so if we blanket that whole street, you're going to add cost in some 121 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:26,080 areas that didn't need anything. But by putting it to Anthony, let him make that 122 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:30,800 decision, he can gauge where you're at. I think there were too many different 123 00:08:28,479 --> 00:08:34,719 situational things that came about after this. Whether it was is this happening 124 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,599 in the middle of the night? Is this happening during school? Is it on Elm 125 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:43,120 Street when it's the summertime in school? How much cost is it going to add 126 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,120 to certain projects? Is it going to char? 127 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:54,640 » Yes. But there's too many variables if you're trying to blanket it. But if we 128 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:58,640 can just and I'm sorry to Anthony that we are again putting this on his 129 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:03,600 shoulders but this he can handle it. That's his job and I think he'll do fine 130 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:07,040 at it. I really do. His knowledge of working with the street department for 131 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,360 that time. He's going to He knows the streets. 132 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,480 » He knows what's going to be needed. >> He knows the people. 133 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,640 » He does. I I think that's fine. I really I think this is the smartest way to go 134 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,880 about it. >> I think so, too, 135 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,839 » John. >> So, we got to come up with a different 136 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:24,959 piece of legislation. >> Yes. Yes. 137 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:28,160 » making making him the main guy who makes the decision around what we have to do. 138 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:32,800 » And if you want to go over it, Rick, where you know the parameters that I I 139 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:38,080 see as a problem or I see should be lumped into that, we can do that. 140 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,760 » Do do you have like certain places and and and ideas where you think we should 141 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,760 be more focused on? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, centers the 142 00:09:43,839 --> 00:09:50,240 streets. Well, the streets that they named, there's a couple extras that I 143 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:53,519 mean that there's a couple extras. There's a couple extra streets. I'm sure 144 00:09:51,839 --> 00:09:57,760 if you can't do that, you're getting about 145 00:09:55,519 --> 00:10:00,320 this. Yes. So, she could No problem. >> This is going to be amended already just 146 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,360 street wise. >> Yeah. 147 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,519 » Yeah. >> And I think we need to get a final 148 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,160 product. >> I do too. 149 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,320 » So, in the future, other administrators say, "Well, we don't have to do anything 150 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,440 to this," >> right? 151 00:10:08,959 --> 00:10:14,720 » You know. >> Yeah. Well, and I agree. And the more we 152 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:18,880 lump in there, probably the better off you are because again, it's just going 153 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:22,240 to Anthony to make the decision. We're saying before you do any of this work, 154 00:10:20,959 --> 00:10:26,320 you have to get in touch with Anthony and see what he requires. 155 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,360 » Anything that's questionable, we should put on here. 156 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,040 » Are you putting down streets? >> Yes. Yeah. 157 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:33,920 » Oh, you are going to put >> There's some in there. 158 00:10:31,839 --> 00:10:36,959 » There's some in there now on on on B. There's the streets, but there's I knew 159 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:39,360 there was there would be a few extra ones that Dallas Street. 160 00:10:38,079 --> 00:10:42,640 » So, we're just going to add streets. So, you're still going to put streets on, 161 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,000 correct? Make it the whole city. >> So, for me, we're going to add streets. 162 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,760 We're going to have the streets that they have plus some questionable ones 163 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:53,519 that could have kind of went on or off. We might as well put them on. 164 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:56,079 » Then I I would say you add square footage based. 165 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,040 » Yeah. See, Anthony is going to need to know that, 166 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,720 » you know, because how long it's going to be and 167 00:11:00,079 --> 00:11:05,200 » Mhm. >> just so he knows what to delegate. 168 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:08,720 » Yes. And again, when we put this on there, when I say, "Hey, if a road if 169 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:12,560 you're cutting the road open or you're working in a stretch of road that's 170 00:11:10,079 --> 00:11:16,800 longer than 300 square feet, let's just make that anywhere in the city." I'm not 171 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,120 saying you have to get a flag. I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying you have 172 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,240 to call Anthony if you're going to do that and see, let him tell you what you 173 00:11:21,839 --> 00:11:25,279 need. >> And then whatever we pass at the end, 174 00:11:23,839 --> 00:11:28,800 Anony's going to take care of getting that to the companies that work in 175 00:11:26,959 --> 00:11:32,160 shrers that we know. So they're aware, get it to the tree companies, anybody 176 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:35,760 that we normally see doing business in the city. So, us companies are there for 177 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,760 a few hours. >> 100%. But let Anthony make that 178 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:43,519 decision. You know, if you're only there for a few hours, but you're on Poland 179 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,399 Avenue by the manor, >> it doesn't matter. You You need 180 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:50,480 something there. You know, >> grant I I've I've been around so many 181 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,000 barriers, especially this past year. >> Yes. 182 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,519 » I've never had a problem. >> No. 183 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:58,560 » No. But I also think the influx of construction that we've had in the last 184 00:11:56,959 --> 00:12:01,600 few years, kind of exposed >> all at one time. 185 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:05,920 » Yeah. Captain Hos was right. We we do need something. I mean, we've had quite 186 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:09,440 a bit and it it has exposed the fact that we could use something like that. 187 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,880 » Didn't this all come about of argument or somebody was cuz I never heard 188 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:17,200 anything about that. >> Well, there was a few accidents from 189 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:20,880 what he said. There was three accidents. >> There was uh almost a fight down here. 190 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:24,800 » That's that's the biggie. >> So, I mean, again, I think we're doing 191 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:28,880 the most responsible thing by delegating all this and putting it to Anthony to 192 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,720 make that decision. >> I witnessed the argument up here. 193 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:39,680 pulling out in front of my building. A he was aw rather was guy was direct. He 194 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,279 was cussing at cars and swearing. What the hell? 195 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,079 » See, now he he should have been reported. 196 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:47,760 » Yeah. I've never I've never had that in. >> I've seen it when they were had 197 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,040 » right. >> I mean, he was 198 00:12:48,959 --> 00:12:53,760 » because a lot of these big companies use that company. 199 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:57,040 » Yeah. No, they're the company. >> This guy won't. He could be just a bad 200 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,760 employee. >> Maybe. I mean, we've never had an 201 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:04,560 experience like that. But what I would say is you're going to get uh not an 202 00:13:02,079 --> 00:13:07,279 even keel, but h you know, a portion of the time you're going to call on some of 203 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:12,560 these streets and they're going to say just put out uh cones and road signs and 204 00:13:10,959 --> 00:13:17,200 you're fine. Correct. >> A big portion you might need an officer 205 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:20,720 at minimum. An officer is cheaper than AWP 206 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:24,959 » or you're going to need a whole zone set up in AWP. I mean, there's there's it 207 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:28,399 could go a couple different routes. Anthony will have to make that decision. 208 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,600 And we should let Anthony have a chance to look at it and see what he might want 209 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,920 to add to it. >> Yes. 210 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:38,399 » So, I think we need to do that. >> I mean, I'll add what I kind of what I 211 00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:41,920 think what we talked about here today. >> Bring that to Anthony. See what he 212 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:46,160 thinks cuz he's going to be the one. He's the one enforcing it, too. 213 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:50,480 » So, I I'll put down what I think. Mayor, you look at it. Anthony can go over it. 214 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:54,399 He can add what he feels to it if there's other areas or situations he 215 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:58,079 thinks should be in here that aren't >> And that's the way it is. and and 216 00:13:55,839 --> 00:14:01,600 that'll be fine. I mean, he is the director of public safety here. I mean, 217 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,279 he should have that say. >> And there's I see nothing wrong with 218 00:14:02,959 --> 00:14:06,480 that. >> I I agree. 219 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:11,199 » As many questions as there are different situations, um something that he's been 220 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:14,720 stressing lately, he actually met with a couple companies already to keep 221 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,600 consistency when it comes to how everybody's going to be doing something. 222 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,600 So, I know these are >> situational, but he's been 223 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:25,440 » talking with us and talking with these other companies that it's going to be a 224 00:14:23,199 --> 00:14:28,399 consistent thing. It's not going to be this way for this one or this way for 225 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:32,240 this. It's going to be consistent across the board 226 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:36,399 » and I'm sure fair to each company. However, a lot of these are going to be 227 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:43,199 like we discussed different situations based on where you're located. Yes. 228 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:47,360 Correct. All of those pictures thatffect we have to give him uh the freedom to be 229 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:50,240 able to say >> you need it here. You don't need it 230 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:54,079 here. And it has nothing to do with who you are. It has to do with where this is 231 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:57,519 located, the time that you're going to be working, all of those things. 232 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:01,199 Speaking of location, >> like state routes now, are we going to 233 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:06,800 be Yeah, >> we're still going to enforce it 234 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:09,600 » and we will have officers or whatnot and it's not going to be like on county or 235 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:16,360 it's not going to be all >> but that that would go be his decision 236 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,360 and it would go to bid with that includ. 237 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:23,519 Yeah, we still we still require we should put that in there, too. 238 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,160 » Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even >> that that doesn't take a car off the 239 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:28,240 road, does it? >> We have a car that's available to sit 240 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:32,320 down. >> We have a car that would be available, 241 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:34,320 but then the company would also pays $10 an hour for the use of the car. 242 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,839 » Okay. >> So, like we had that the gas 243 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:41,839 » Yeah. >> We made quite a bit of money from just 244 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:45,920 the car alone. So, it's a separate invoice that we build a company. 245 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:52,079 » I think that's smart. And I think honestly I think you'll probably see an 246 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,320 even keel of not needing anything on streets where we would have required 247 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:58,160 something. >> Yeah. 248 00:15:54,639 --> 00:16:03,199 » Or just requiring a a police officer. >> Yes. I think that's by far the smartest 249 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:06,880 way you guys could do it. >> I'm okay with that. 250 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:12,480 » And then you you're talking u something about pay rate or or something dollar 251 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,560 amount. Was it a minimum of four hours or 252 00:16:12,959 --> 00:16:18,639 » Well, that's all that's all goes through the FOP. That has nothing to do with any 253 00:16:16,959 --> 00:16:21,279 of us. That's all their union. So, they have a set price 254 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,320 » for reduced >> like not running. 255 00:16:22,959 --> 00:16:28,800 » But I also think that >> they have a different rate for um events 256 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,639 and they have a different rate for traffic. So, they set their standard. 257 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:36,800 They have all that. >> So, that's non-negotiable. 258 00:16:34,079 --> 00:16:41,839 » Has nothing. That's also that I mean I I would say in a lot of instances the 259 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:47,120 police are lower as far as costwise than AWP. AWP is coming out with signs, 260 00:16:44,079 --> 00:16:51,120 flags, multiple people, uh setting up a zone, setting up liability. So in a lot 261 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:55,839 of these instances, I think it is going to go to the police officers versus AWP 262 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:59,839 cuz they're not that busy, >> which will benefit us more. 263 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:06,799 » Yes, I really do. I think I think out of all of it, you might see 50% needs a 264 00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:09,919 police officer, 30% needs AWP, 20% needs nothing. It gives our guys work. 265 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:15,280 » Yes. So I I think it's all the way around. I think it's good. I think by it 266 00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:20,240 going to Anthony, it's still by >> different instances, it's going to help 267 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:24,959 um the cost >> because then again on areas that we 268 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:26,640 really don't need anything, Anthony can deem that. 269 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,960 » Yeah. versus us being required to put somebody 270 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:35,200 here because it was through legislation when it really doesn't need anything. 271 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:38,240 » Got it. Well, she put it the mayor put it in, you know, different rates for 272 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,360 events. >> I think it'll be perfect. 273 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,039 » We'll have to come up with a new uh ordinance and obviously now you'll take 274 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:48,000 a look at it, make sure everything's right. 275 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,200 » Yeah. And with the amount of traffic going on, I mean, like I said, I I'll 276 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:55,280 I'll write down what I thought here today. I'll give it to Rick and get with 277 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:58,799 the mayor and the SSD >> streets that we think 278 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:04,080 » the rest of the streets all of those things and um maybe even bring it out in 279 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:08,160 committee next week if we have something or uh in caucus if we have something by 280 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,039 then and and pass it after cuz there is construction quite a bit going on coming 281 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:16,000 up. >> Yes. So 282 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:18,720 » I'm good with that. Okay. >> You have anything else? 283 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:23,520 » I'm good. Thank you. >> All right. Um 284 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,960 motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. 285 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:27,440 » Second. >> Second. 286 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,160 » Motion. Committee can call this finance and 287 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:34,160 legislation meeting to order. Mr. Burnside here. 288 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:40,400 » Mr. Balac is absent. Mr. Bigley is here. >> Like to excuse Mr. Carcelli who is not 289 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:46,640 here. And I'd like to excuse Mr. Balac who is not here this evening. 290 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:51,120 Now, all I have here in front of me is one piece 291 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,840 um that we still need to work on. This is the uniform police officer. 292 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:59,799 » Yes. >> So, let's we we've already discussed 293 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,799 that under police and fire. 294 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:07,919 Uh anybody have anything else for this committee, mayor? Yes, I have um just 295 00:19:05,919 --> 00:19:13,039 for you guys to look over that I gave to you guys last week about the Poland 296 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Village ordinance um to see if you guys had any comments or any things that 297 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:24,240 is this something that you guys would want to look at. Um, I know Anthony went 298 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:29,280 over this and there's a couple things that he off the bat didn't like with the 299 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:36,400 $25 fine and things like there was there was a couple different um instances on 300 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,240 here. This is obviously just an example. We would tailor it to what 301 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:46,320 » sure >> we would like to see. Um, but I think 302 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:49,600 just requiring helmets alone for >> I would say under 16 because even over 303 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:54,880 16 >> valid I would say 16 is probably a fair 304 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:58,320 age. We're trusting you to drive. >> But we have to talk about the 305 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,840 enforcement of this, what the penalty is, how we're going to do like there. 306 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:06,000 This has to be kind of a large discussion 307 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:09,919 » um because of what you guys all think for this. They've been doing classes. 308 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:16,000 Youngsttown Brody just came up. Chief Rody just came up um today. Youngtown is 309 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:20,240 holding a class, an informational class for electric bikes and scooters. So, we 310 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:25,440 were talking about maybe doing something. I know we met with Rick um a 311 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:29,039 couple weeks ago about rolling something out in the beginning of the year. It's 312 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,880 kind of late now. Um >> would the golf course fall in line with 313 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:37,280 this ordinance as well? >> No, that would be complete. That would 314 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:41,280 be separate. Okay. Um that would be a completely separate ordinance. But 315 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:45,360 that's kind of roll out. I don't want to say 316 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:50,559 like a safety day, but in this early early spring when we have the traffic 317 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:54,880 garden up um and do something at Mothy whether he's going to find out who's 318 00:20:52,320 --> 00:21:00,159 doing this informational session and maybe they can come to us. Um I know the 319 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:03,679 gentleman from Wheel Bike uh down in Youngstown, he owns the company where 320 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:08,320 it's the bike share where you can go to the different and we talked about maybe 321 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:13,760 putting a a location here in Shrethers. Um, it's just in the beginning 322 00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:18,640 » like the kayak place downtown that rents the kayaks. 323 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:21,679 » No, this would be a a a um at a loss for words. I can't think of what I'm trying 324 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:24,960 to say. It would be a station where the bikes are and you would go scan. 325 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:27,520 » Oh. Oh. Oh. >> I can't think of the 326 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,720 » I can't think of the word I'm trying to say, but you would take the bikes and 327 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:35,200 you can return them in Youngstown. You can return them. So there's a path so 328 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:40,480 they could ride the electric bikes on cuz uh State Street is a 329 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,159 » in turn the people that would come to us would fill our racks. 330 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,799 » Yes. >> Yeah, that's a good idea. 331 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:47,120 » So you can leave it all around. They they have them everywhere else. 332 00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:49,760 » Yeah. I mean there's not like an employee that has to be there or 333 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,400 anything, right? You're just scanning your car and it unlocks. 334 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:57,919 » They have them everywhere. We just our downtown right now is not safe bike 335 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:01,200 friendly yet. Um but we're obviously getting there. But this is something 336 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:05,600 we've talked maybe even rolling out some kind of informational or educational 337 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:10,080 session when we do the golf courts and carts and everything at Mothy and make 338 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:14,000 it kind of like a safety day there >> that would talk about the electric 339 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:18,960 scooters, the electric bikes, what we require in the city. Um, and I know 340 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:24,400 Chief Roddy wanted to do some kind of our own registration for the golf carts 341 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:28,400 because right now you you have to have a license on the golf cart and most of 342 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,400 those stipulations you should have a license right now. You 343 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:35,840 should have a license on your golf cart. So, I know we've been pulling people 344 00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:41,919 over and educating them and letting them know um because a lot of them aren't 345 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:47,080 aware of what's needed. So, we kind of have to do some type of educational 346 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:53,840 » um I know years ago 347 00:22:51,919 --> 00:22:57,039 cuz my brother had one of them urban expresses or whatever. John, this might 348 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:03,120 you might want to have to answer this too. Is there a certain mile per hour 349 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:10,400 that these electric bicycles or scooters, you know, if they go that that 350 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:15,200 fast? Um, is it necessary for them to have a motorcycle license? Cuz I know my 351 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,360 brother had to have a motorcycle license years ago. 352 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,240 » It's based I think it's based off the size of the of the of the motor of the 353 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,760 bike. >> Is that what it is? 354 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:25,280 » Yeah. >> Okay. 355 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:28,640 » Um, but I I don't I don't know what it is. 356 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:31,280 » Right. cuz like I said years ago when he had one he had to get his motorcycle 357 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,600 license. >> We could see what the Ohio Revis code 358 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,559 says about >> Yeah. Maybe if we could look at the Ohio 359 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:39,919 Revis code on that >> look into it let you know 360 00:23:37,919 --> 00:23:42,960 » because if if that's the case with some of these bikes and if they're going 25 361 00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:49,120 miles an hour >> is about they go about 25 miles an hour. 362 00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:54,240 I see some moving some go fast. Yeah. >> Then they should be on the street. 363 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,919 » Exactly. And that's what I see too. So or at least 364 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,520 » and there's no chat >> by the curb on the street, 365 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,559 » right? >> That's just my question there. Maybe 366 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,600 » break the bike and >> so it goes faster 367 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,320 » if if it is necessary for these people if it is under the Ohio revised code for 368 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,000 them to have >> all right 369 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,400 » a motorcycle license. >> I appreciate it. 370 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:16,720 » You know what I mean? Cuz I mean it's obvious as it says here whereas the 371 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:20,480 legislature state of Ohio is enacted legislation to regulate e scooters, 372 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:25,039 electric bicycles, mopeds and other assist. They're putting mopeds in here, 373 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,960 too, which is a motorized vehicle. >> That's closer to a motorcycle, though, I 374 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,559 think. >> Yeah. 375 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,440 » Well, >> yeah, I guess. 376 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,240 » So, same situation. They want to put it in the same, 377 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,200 » you know, uh, >> there's just so many different things. 378 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,880 Like there's scooters that look like mopeds, but they're scooters with a 379 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,600 seat. >> I know. 380 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,200 » There it's >> But that that's something that 381 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:47,440 » see what OC has. That's all. >> Go from there. 382 00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:50,640 » I mean, that's just something I was thinking about as I was reading this and 383 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,240 something you could look at for me. I appreciate it. 384 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,679 » You got it. >> Thanks, man. 385 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,960 » Anything for you? >> Thank you. 386 00:24:55,279 --> 00:25:02,480 » Anything else on here you guys you want us to look at, amend, change, alter 387 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,760 questions, comments? >> You got anything good, Mike? 388 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:11,200 » What we're going to we're going to sit and go over with the chief with Anthony 389 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:15,520 and then probably present something to John and see what 390 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,880 » we don't need to have him register them, do we? 391 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,200 » Well, what Chief Rody wants to do Oh, not the scooters. No, the golf carts. 392 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:24,559 Yes. >> Oh, yeah. 393 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,520 » Golf carts. But not the scooters. >> I don't Unless 394 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,120 » I don't know. >> I don't know. 395 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,919 » Unless something code says something about 396 00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:37,039 » if they have a motorized bike that goes 25 miles an hour. 397 00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:40,080 » Yeah. >> I mean, that's really I mean, you think 398 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,279 about it that that's that's a liability on the road. 399 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,960 » Yeah. >> For safety and everything else. I mean, 400 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,880 » but should they be riding on the road under 16 without a driver's license? 401 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:51,200 » That's the thing, too. No. And how many's going to do that? 402 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,960 » Can you imagine being on a bike and hitting the plum crossing the road 25 403 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,320 » or hitting a bottle this big, >> right? And you don't know where those 404 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,960 are. You know, us on the road driving do. 405 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:08,080 » I think honestly with this one, >> OC is probably going to give us more 406 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:11,120 information than >> we're even talking about right now 407 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,200 because I'm sure they've seen it a million times. Yeah. 408 00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:18,159 » And it's going to open up a lot of questions. I just thought when I was I 409 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:21,919 was watching Abby um from Poland Village, she goes on FaceTime every time 410 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:26,320 she's on a meeting and I was watching specifically about this and I just 411 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,360 thought the helmets >> I agree. 412 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:37,600 » Sure. The helmets I liked that and that it has to be buckled. It can't just 413 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:40,799 » cuz I I I've almost hit a few kids. >> Okay. 414 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:48,240 » Okay. What we What else we got? Um I have um Jennifer Johnson from Aqua would 415 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:53,440 like to attend a an executive session to go over some things um next week and 416 00:26:50,799 --> 00:27:00,480 she's asking that she if she can bring um another coworker um his name is Ivan. 417 00:26:57,919 --> 00:27:03,279 So I wanted to get permission before I tell her not to 418 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:06,000 » I don't have an issue. I mean more Listen, it's it 419 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,120 » more information the better >> the better. Exactly. And it's kind of 420 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,720 our job to hear out any information. Absolutely. 421 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,760 » It's going to come our way. >> Okay. 422 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:17,440 » All right. No issue to me. >> I'll get with Megan. 423 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:22,559 » Thanks for asking though. >> Um 424 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:31,080 the only other thing I had is um Brandon from Sixth Street is back in town and he 425 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:31,080 wants what exactly is there a specific 426 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:40,000 rock or a specific amount that council wants him to put down? Because before he 427 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:45,279 goes and buys anything, I don't want to make him spend the money. 428 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:50,080 » At the one man, at the one council meeting, we council said he wanted 429 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:53,919 number 57. Council wanted number 57 stone put down. 430 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:57,760 » I mean, so the thing is the cheapest. >> Well, it's not that it's the cheapest. 431 00:27:55,279 --> 00:28:01,200 Grindings would be cheaper, but 57 is going to be the cleanest and it's going 432 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,520 to give you the best drainage. So when water gets in there, it's if you get a 433 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,640 smaller stone, it's tighter and if you get a lot of water, it'll rush it and 434 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:14,159 flood it down the street or flood it into the grass. 57 drains really well. 435 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:17,600 So if he uses 57 limestone, >> it that's going to give him the best 436 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,840 overall product. >> I'm not sure though he should do 437 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:25,200 anything. >> That's my next question. What 438 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:29,279 » what are we doing with that? Well, it it came up that there was a question 439 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:35,840 presented to me as to whether he's allowed to use that for parking for his 440 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:44,000 employees. Um, that lot sits in a residential area. My in my opinion, 441 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:50,640 if the landscaping business that he operates is not permitted in that 442 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:55,360 residential district, nor is him using that lot for parking of his employees. 443 00:28:53,600 --> 00:29:00,399 He doesn't live there. It's not his house. There's no house there. Um 444 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,919 » yeah, but the law doesn't state anything that there has to be a house or not. 445 00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:06,080 That doesn't really there's no distinction. 446 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:11,919 » There's no difference between because it it it came up uh it came up last week as 447 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:16,399 far as commercial vehicles parking in parking in you know bringing their their 448 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,600 their cars home and parking in residential with with res at their 449 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:26,480 houses, >> right? Um and 450 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:32,320 um again I I I agree with you to but I'm just trying to say that you know if he 451 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:35,360 he lived there he had a house there you know I 452 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,320 » because it's not a commercial vehicle. >> Again I didn't I didn't see anything 453 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:46,320 that prohibited you from or anything any instance where 454 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:50,640 there had to be a house you had to live there. I didn't see any of that in the 455 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,640 law. So, I just don't know how we're making an interpretation on that. How 456 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:59,039 you got to that interpretation? >> Well, I I told you he it's basically in 457 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:05,440 my in my it's he it's an accessory use of his business. It's an extension of of 458 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:11,440 his business. Um it's not like he's parking there when he goes home um at 459 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:15,600 night. He's park, he's using it for employee parking, but for the 460 00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:22,720 landscaping business being there, there wouldn't be the need for his employees 461 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:26,960 to park there. So, it's if you can't all you're trying to do is you're trying to 462 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:31,120 say, well, I can't park anywhere around my com my commercial lot, so I'm going 463 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:35,679 to park in the residential district. But it's all just an an extension of his of 464 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,960 his business operations. >> Yeah. So, but there's no problem if he 465 00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:46,159 takes uh said commercial business vehicles home and parks them there. 466 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,080 » No, let him take them to his house and park them there. 467 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,320 » I agree with that. >> I agree with that. But 468 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,440 » what's going to happen is where it's not a big deal, but they're going to go back 469 00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:54,799 on the street, which we have >> on the street, 470 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,880 » which we have nothing. >> And that's the that was the initial 471 00:30:56,399 --> 00:31:00,640 complaint. >> The initial complaint was 472 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,039 » they were parking on the street. >> We made them move them from the street. 473 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,720 That's a good point. >> He moved him from the street and put him 474 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:11,600 here, which we deemed accept acceptable. >> Now we're going to tell them this isn't 475 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,240 good enough. You have to put them back on the street. We're going to be right 476 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,200 back where we started. And every bit of this was for nothing. 477 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,360 » How many cars parked there when I went by? 478 00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:24,080 » I saw three. >> I would say five or six. 479 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,679 » I real six and then there was a truck with the name on the side. 480 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:34,640 » Yeah. So, here's we were talking about we've been going round with all this. Um 481 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:39,200 would council I I can ask for a zoning commission meeting and we can have the 482 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:43,039 public hearing and they can bring it to a zoning the zoning commission and then 483 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:46,880 zoning commission can make the recommendation to council. 484 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:51,679 » I agree. Council if there's a variance that council wants to do for that then 485 00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:55,840 » the zoning commission can write the recommendation to the council. council 486 00:31:53,919 --> 00:32:00,000 can decide what to do whether or not to put a variance on or not and go from 487 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,200 there. >> I would say the smartest way with a 488 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,440 variance put those stipulations specifically on 489 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:12,159 that property and you could tell him this is exactly what we want there. 490 00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:18,399 » But I I do want to say something else. Last week it kind of came to us that we 491 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:21,440 what we have in our ordinances as a commercial vehicle 492 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:26,559 um >> different 493 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:31,360 » differs from what OC excuse me the BMV what all of those places have as a 494 00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:35,519 commercial vehicle >> if it comes to it in the future I think 495 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:40,799 we should revamp what we deem a commercial vehicle or 496 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:44,799 if you look at it we only deem a commercial vehicle something that's over 497 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:49,600 a one- ton dual rear wheel with a non-factory truck bed. That's what we 498 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,919 wanted. We wanted to deem that it has to be at least that to be considered a 499 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:55,679 commercial vehicle. >> But the others are talking even cars. 500 00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:59,679 » Correct. So, what I think we should do if it continues in the future, we leave 501 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,519 the same stipulations. Just take the word commercial out of it. Correct. 502 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:08,480 » Cuz we don't care if it's commercial in the sense that you drive a I'm just 503 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:12,880 saying for instance a Lawn Ranger car. There's no just switch commercial 504 00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:14,559 prohibited there. Prohibited vehicle. Correct. That's where the confusion is 505 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:21,120 coming. >> And I I agree. So, but we have but again 506 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:24,799 we there's there would be nothing that would require us to pass any 507 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:30,880 restrictions on the ability to park any type of vehicle in a residential area. 508 00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:33,760 We have defined in our ordinance the vehicles that we are attempting 509 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,000 » to keep away >> to keep away. Correct. We just so 510 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:45,039 happened to use the term commercial vehicle to def to to classify what we're 511 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:50,320 not using the the Ohio revised code. >> We can keep this exactly the way that we 512 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:54,320 enforce it right now by just taking commercial out and and we're in the 513 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,039 right and we're doing the exact same thing we were doing. We're just we're 514 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,880 doing it in the right. >> I don't even think you need to do that. 515 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,880 But >> I would say in the future if if it comes 516 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,720 up again, but I don't I don't think we've defined the vehicle. 517 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:12,000 » My thing is I don't this I I say it all the time. Hardworking town. People work 518 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,800 here. They drive work cars home from all of the different places. I mean we 519 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:19,839 there's if you drive around there's a Shelly and Sands trucks. There's Rudzik. 520 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:23,599 There's Bova. Uh there's a multitude of trucks. I don't want them people to not 521 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:27,760 be able to take a car home. They should be able to. And I agree that those are 522 00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:30,960 commercial vehicles. This had nothing to do with those people. 523 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:36,079 » I I understand. But that this is where we are now. This is where it it led us 524 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:40,240 now. You know what I mean? >> That wasn't your intention. 525 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:43,760 » But it it also Lori and I agree. But it it exposed maybe a flaw that we have. 526 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,119 » I don't know. >> So in the future 527 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,200 » very minor in my eyes to be honest if it's defined. Yeah. We define what it 528 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:56,240 is. But what the the thing is when we have commercial in there, we're going 529 00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:59,040 against the what the OC deems commercial. We're going against what the 530 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:03,280 BMV deems commercial. >> We're using a word. All we're doing is 531 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:07,200 we're just we're using a we're not saying that it is commercial vehicles as 532 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:11,200 defined by the Ohio Revised Code. We're saying commercial vehicles for purposes 533 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:16,400 of our ordinances. In particular, this particular section of our ordinance is 534 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:19,520 how we're defining them. Again, I I I I get the confusion. I don't really think 535 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,880 it's that big of a deal. So, leave it >> if it come if it comes up again and you 536 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,119 want to change the word commercial to prohibited or commercial to 537 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:32,800 » not allowed vehic whatever you want to use that that's a 538 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:36,320 » just as long as we have our our terms of what we consider acceptable and not 539 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,480 acceptable. >> Right. 540 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:43,359 » Correct. >> But we don't want that con contingent on 541 00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:48,560 if it's actually commercial or not. We just want what we prohibit. Yes. 542 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:53,040 Exactly. I I if Yes. >> You know, it's come up a couple 543 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:57,920 different times about lettering on a truck. These guys, you got to keep in 544 00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:01,119 mind, we got some carpet cleaning people park their vehicles on. They got 545 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,920 lettering on here. Are they going to be >> But I think Ohio Revised Code calls that 546 00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:06,560 a commercial >> commercial vehicle. That that was 547 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,800 brought up last week. >> That's how we 548 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:16,400 put the ordinance together. We didn't want these people that run a commercial 549 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,920 that run a carpet cleaning business. >> No, I agree. 550 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,160 » Lumped in. >> Listen, there's 551 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:26,000 » on a vehicle's 50 to me >> is not offensive. 552 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:29,599 » And I promise you that there is some probably different sections of the Ohio 553 00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:32,720 Revised Code that use commercial vehicles in different ways and have 554 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:38,640 different I'm sure I'm I'm positive. Okay. So I 555 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:42,480 again I I heard I get where he was I get where he was confus where Ray was 556 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:46,320 confused and what he what he was saying but but he was missing the point though 557 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:51,040 is that we have it defined in our ordinance and we're just using that as a 558 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:55,040 descriptive word for these vehicles >> and that's fine. I just thought that 559 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:59,040 that would simplify everything at some point if it needs simplification by 560 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,079 extracting commercial from it. >> So John so we should take out commercial 561 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,599 and put prohibitive >> I I wouldn't touch anything. I mean I 562 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:09,520 think it's fine as it is. Why pay to change our ordinance again with that 563 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,200 company? I mean, I don't know how what they charge us, 564 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,920 » but I I think it's fine as it it is fine how it is. It's 565 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:17,920 » But we're still able to enforce it in the way that we've been enforcing it. 566 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,800 Correct. >> Absolutely. Okay. Here's I have a 567 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,000 question though because I after talking with Billy because we had a bunch of 568 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:27,680 pictures from last week and there were some violations that were on the yard. 569 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:33,119 Some of the cars that were on there are being worked on and that we talked to 570 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:39,200 Chief Rody was not in violation because they are actively being worked on. He 571 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:44,880 wanted me to ask if the because some of the trailers are small trail they are 572 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:51,200 smaller than they are >> if we could change instead of that have 573 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:54,720 the have the length of the trailer be so long that is banned because some of 574 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,480 these trailers that they have at their house 575 00:37:55,119 --> 00:38:01,359 » I don't think it's all trailers correct it's dual axle 576 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:07,839 » it's dual axle some of those are small some of them are little but you go if 577 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,800 you go so long to keep a long trailer on the road, you got to have dual axles. 578 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:16,560 That's why we put dual axles in. >> Well, that and we didn't want to 579 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:21,440 » uh have a guy that just has a single axle 580 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:26,160 trailer that pulls his lawnmower around. We didn't want him 581 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,520 » saying. So, what So, go ahead. >> I think Bill and I spoke with him last 582 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:34,560 night on this too. He wants to he wants to put something in an order in saying 583 00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:37,599 um nothing longer than 16 foot. >> 16 foot is fine. I would say that's 584 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,240 » going to have a dual axle. >> Not all not all of them, but a lot of 585 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,480 them do. >> But some of the smaller ones for some 586 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:49,680 reason have the dual axle and >> you can get a 12footer with a dual axle. 587 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:51,599 You can still let them have a dual axle. >> No, 588 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:57,520 » no, it would just they just can't be over a certain length over certain 589 00:38:53,359 --> 00:39:01,720 length. If it's a trailer, >> nothing over 16 ft long. 590 00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:08,000 » 16 foot I would say that's fine. Nothing lower than that. No, you you you really 591 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,160 I would say 16T is as fair as it's going to get. You're actually probably 592 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:15,440 pushing, >> you know, and everything else. They 593 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:19,119 can't be long. So any trailer longer than 16 ft is 594 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:23,040 » it's generally though it's it's off the deck size would be longer than 16 ft. 595 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,520 They don't take the tongue into consideration. So, 596 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,280 » well, is that something that council would be 597 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:29,760 » I I don't have a problem with that. I would say that's fair. 598 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,400 » I I agree with that, too. >> You probably shouldn't have anything 599 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,760 longer than 16 ft. I mean, >> and being on the grass obviously is a 600 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:38,240 no. But the length >> if he's talking to some of these people 601 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,839 and they're >> But we are talking we're talking any 602 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,160 kind of trailers on grass. >> No, you don't include 603 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,359 » just the deck. >> Deck. Yeah, 604 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:49,920 » just the deck. >> But any any kind of trailers be like 605 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:54,880 cars. Nothing on grass. >> Correct. Oh, correct. 606 00:39:52,560 --> 00:40:00,000 » Correct. And that's going to be for that's only going to be for trailers 607 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:04,800 that are designed for hauling freight >> uh equipment, anything like that. We're 608 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,320 not now taking campers into that. >> Right. 609 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,040 » Right. >> Yeah. Because campers 610 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,960 » Yeah. And they're going to be longer than 611 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,320 » campers and boats. Am I correct on that? >> Mhm. But they're going to be longer than 612 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,079 16t. So I would say >> but they they're seasonal as well. 613 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:22,800 » They are. But I would say if we make that uh designed for hauling freight or 614 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,440 » something like that. That's what it reads now. Correct. 615 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:29,599 » I thought we were gonna put something for campers from like April to November. 616 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,599 I thought we did. Did we do that? >> Yeah, I thought we did. 617 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:37,599 » Well, with the team >> seasonal from like end of April, 618 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,160 » end of October. Yeah. >> For campers. I think we did 619 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:44,400 » a single axle, but it's 16 ft long. >> I don't know if they ever actually put 620 00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,720 that in. You start to get >> Yeah, 621 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,920 » I think we talked about it. >> I know we did the one Lori did one. 622 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:54,240 Remember we did the school bus on the street. There was something 623 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:58,000 » camper on the street up on the north, >> but none of them are permitted on the 624 00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,839 street anymore. Do you remember correct? >> No trailers aren't 625 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:06,960 » campers are buses are allowed on seasonal. 626 00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:11,839 » I remember seasonal from the end of the end of April until we ain't been having 627 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:15,520 any issues with them anyway. No, >> but somebody was living in that we were 628 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,800 thinking about doing something down at >> campers or or the boats 629 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,359 » cash flow. >> I thought we were coming up with boats 630 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:24,480 too being parked in. >> I I I could tell you in the last few 631 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,040 years I don't think we've had one issue. >> No, I don't think so. 632 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,800 » So I would say, >> but I'm just wondering if we already 633 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,839 have stuff. >> I don't know if we did or not, but I 634 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:36,240 remember talking about it. >> So we're going to So we're going to 635 00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:39,520 amend the commercial portion of that to 16 ft of that. 636 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,280 » Yeah, it's fine with me. We can bring it for next week so you guys can look it 637 00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:46,960 over before we do anything. That can that's something that can go through 638 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:50,240 » and then we're going to leave the ordinance as is. The only thing we're 639 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,440 going to change is the ch the trailer part of that 640 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,200 » the deck. >> So that's fine and design. 641 00:41:53,520 --> 00:42:02,079 » And another thing the um the officer for the road that portion we we could pass 642 00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:05,839 that under emergency because this instead of going to three readings this 643 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:10,000 is a safety issue. We don't want to push out. We don't want to push it out two 644 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,480 months. That's You know what I mean? So, let's 645 00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:16,079 » Yeah, but I don't know what's being changed in anyone. 646 00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:18,880 » Yeah, we'll we'll get it together. >> I'm going to talk I'll talk go over 647 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:22,960 everything. >> But that's why I even said if we can get 648 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,280 it together for um >> caucus 649 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:29,040 » caucus next week, bring it out and bring it out in the meeting. Sooner the 650 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,760 better. >> You have to call finance legislation and 651 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,839 talk about it. >> No problem. Anybody else? Anything for 652 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,960 this committee? >> I don't have anything for the committee, 653 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:45,040 but I just a couple updates. The splash pad has been poured. Not opening that 654 00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:49,760 until May. Um, but the concrete is all done. It's 655 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:54,720 small, but it's there. If you guys have a chance to go look, it's right off of 656 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,640 uh Great Field there. And Rich Craig is in our detective's office now and doing 657 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:04,319 a heck of a job. He's been applying for grants and he got he just received a 658 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,200 grant from CSX Railroad for 2500 towards a drone. 659 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,160 » Oh, that's great. >> Good. 660 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,839 » Yeah. >> So, who's back there now? 661 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,240 » So, Rich Craig and Jeremy Kramer. >> Okay. 662 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,640 » They're they're they're doing very not that 663 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,200 » they're just >> Yeah, 664 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,720 » we haven't had a detective. Yeah, they're doing very well there. 665 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,880 » Good for the both of them. >> Happy to see them there. 666 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:29,040 » Mhm. >> And that's free money. So, 667 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:32,880 » yeah, we always like free money. >> Anything else for this committee? 668 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:37,920 » Um, if anybody's listening, Saturday 8 a.m. Bed build. Anybody wants to come? 669 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,920 It's >> fun. 670 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:44,560 » Scarlet will be there. >> Brad's bringing a bunch of friends. 671 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:47,599 » I see. Can I bring this? >> But yes. 672 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:53,160 » Okay. Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. 673 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:56,239 » Second. A second. Meeting adjourned. [Music]