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We are recording.
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» Terrific. Everybody ready to go?
>> Yes, sir.

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» All right, let's get this show
board meeting for Monday, August 3rd, 26

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time

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this evening. for a motion to approve
the evening's agenda. Is there anyone

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who wishes to offer a motion to approve
the evening's agenda?

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» Motion to approve the agenda.
>> Andrew has offered a motion to second.

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» Any other further discussion, questions?
Anything [snorts] else on this? We have

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a motion to approve that motion.
>> Hearing none, all those in favor, please

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signify by saying I
>> and those opposed. [clears throat] That

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motion carries. All

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right, let's stand al

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

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stands one nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.

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Item number
[clears throat] five service award for

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Mr. Kaker if you would.
>> Thank you. So Michelle actually started

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working for the village back in 2015 as
a pole worker before becoming the

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full-time village clerk in 2021. And
since then, she's not only been

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responsible for guiding us through
elections, liquor licensing, human

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resources functions, insurance coverages
and claims, open records requests, and

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much more. But she was instrumental in
the implementation of a muchneeded third

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polling location. She became a Wisconsin
certified municipal clerk in 2024 and

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has been one to take on the less
glamorous tasks like cleaning up our

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electronic filing system. She is someone
I know that I can trust to act

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professionally at all times and provides
A+ customer service. The village has

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been lucky to have you, Michelle, and uh
I thank you for your service to the

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village.
>> Thank you so much, Administrator Kaker.

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Appreciate that.
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I also want to acknowledge the board for
their acknowledgement of our employees.

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Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» [laughter]
>> Never mind.

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» Maybe later.
>> We don't need to create [laughter]

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[clears throat] item wetland mitigation
update evergreens consult.

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» Thank you. So I'll invite up Chad Fet
from Evergreen Consultants to lead the

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discussion on our wetland mitigation
bank.

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» Hello everybody.
>> Hello.

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» Hi there.
>> Sh. It's been five years already been

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putting up with this. My
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time [clears throat] is flying.

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We have a PowerPoint tonight to help
out. It's

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quite a lot to go through, but we'll get
through it quick.

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When was the last time we met? You
recall? Does anybody recall the last

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time we had an up?
>> It would have been last fall at some

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point.
>> Last fall. All right. Yeah, it's been a

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little while.
>> Yep. Well, we've been in kind of a

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holding pattern just kind of stuck and
with our the way the credit releases

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were set up initially under the old
rules were just kind of in limbo. But

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luckily, there's been changes. So, we
went through all of those documents and

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figured out way to change the credit
release schedule and habitat metrics and

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hydraology metrics to accelerate credit
releases. So, that's what I want to talk

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about tonight. So, we can go to the next
screen.

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So, what am I asking for tonight? I want
you to authorize me to submit a complete

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overhaul of your mitigation bank
instrument and your compensation site

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plan. That's that 1,200page
document. So we've gone completely

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through that and changed everything to
your advantage that we can use under the

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new rules. And then we used a lot of
site data to prove that as well. We do

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have wetland reference sites on within
the bank and those were utilized to help

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us with some of that and approving like
to approve the simplified release

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schedule and then like to have an
approval to head towards October

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construction for the last segment of
construction

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and we'll go through what those entail
but essentially your October

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construction is the old stream corridor
that we haven't take advantage of and

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putting in a couple of the alternate
that barriers in place that we need in

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order to get your your large credit
releases.

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Next screen,
>> Chad, could you talk a little bit about

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the new rules that you're referring to
because I don't think

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» Yeah, we'll go through those. Yeah,
we'll go through I'll go through the new

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rules and what they mean [clears throat]
uh in the another part of the

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presentation. It's pretty complicated,
so we'll go through those one by one.

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» Uh but for those of you who weren't here
in the beginning, this is the bank at a

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glance. So, it was 90 roughly 92.8 acres
consisting of three properties. Village

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properties, the Jones, and the Coxman's
property.

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We were approved for 58.35
credits on the bank and we have 6.04

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acres of area that are at no credit
currently, but we are going to be

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requesting credit for those in our
submission and we have a 10-year

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monitoring period. Your bank serves in
northwestern Lake Michigan, which is lot

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most of good chunk of northeast
Wisconsin and down the lake shore.

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Next, next slide.
So, there's four main changes that we're

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looking for in this plan modification.
It's a minor plan modification, although

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it seems major, it's pretty minor.

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We are going to be inserting the
stream channel. We'll change that, which

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originally was conceived to be flood
plane forest and a stream mitigation.

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And then we we're going to change that
to wet sedge meadow. That is now one

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credit as wet meadow. And that'll allow
you to gain credit on that six acres you

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currently are not getting credit for.
And then the rules allow us to

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consolidate credit types. So we did
originally have coniferous hardwoods,

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coniferous swamp and hardwood swamp as
separate types, but coniferous swamp

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isn't mitigated very often. So this is
advantageous to change this all to

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wooded swamp.
And then we have performance standards

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that we're changing, hydrarology and
vegetation standards, and we're changing

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those based on site data. And then
changes in the 2025 mitigation guidance

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allow us to make changes that are
beneficial to you. And it's lowering

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some standards to be able to get credits
a lot quicker and get these banks

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wrapped up. So what was going on is a
lot of people were getting cold feet

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about getting into banking and you
experience exactly wise. It takes

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several years and many years to get
approved and the standards are high and

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and so we're going to propose to lower
those. And then we have on-site data on

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our reference wetlands allows us to
further reduce criteria on the habitat

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side that helps you get credits faster.
And then we overhauled the way that

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credits are released and that leads to
significant amount of credits quicker in

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this system and I'll go through that in
a little bit.

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Uh specifically the old stream corridor
we were proposing stream mitigation but

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after site visit with IRT and Army Corps
they determined that the stream wasn't

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quite good enough for restoration
purposes. So we change we're changing

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over to wet meadow. That's the old plan
on the left. The plant the picture on

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the right is what it looks like today.
You've got um a channel in the center

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with cattail on either side. You've got
upland grasses and we're going to change

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that all to wet meadow.
Next screens has been helping us design

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this plan. So this is the the new plan
for the stream corridor. We'll still

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have some overflow channels to make sure
that water can get through in high water

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events, but we're going to do a lot of
uh what's called humbucko topography

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allows uh amphibian use and some
diversication of the plant vegetation

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which will help ward off invasive
species. [clears throat]

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And then it was modeled, there was an
H&H study done on this to make sure that

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we're not going to flood out any of the
neighbors. But essentially, we're going

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to fill the stream and then excavate a
lot of fill that's in that area to

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create some credits.

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And this is what the corridor look like
today. It's all as you saw, it's a

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cattail in center with surrounded by
upland grasses. So these pictures are

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from site. We have zone one, which
you'll see later is more in the north.

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That's a shallow marsh wet meadow that's
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90% that's a very interesting wetlands
very nice and then wet sedge meadow in

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the south very beautiful sedge meadow
has uh grown in that area very

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diversified species and then there's an
area of surface water that sticks around

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for quite a while and there were
thousands of leopard frogs that's a

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picture on the right but that'll be
similar to what that corridor looked

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like give us a little more
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of plants out there, more wildlife usage
and getting us credits to be a little

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easier. Chose wet metal for that area
because it is the easiest to sell credit

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type. So when we get those credits,
you'll sell them fairly quickly.

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And then one thing to note is that we
did we did a study of the soils before

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we before we did construction and see
what kind of plants would come out of

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the soil. And so we did these
germination tests and we would we didn't

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find a lot of the species that are
appearing there now. So we did have a

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seed mix. My kids and I collected seeds
from around some of our properties, some

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of our wet meadows that that don't have
any invasive species and we still didn't

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have some of the species that are here.
So there is a strong seed bankank which

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does help uh with vegetation standards.
So that's a good thing that we found

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over the last three years. You mean the
property has a good seed bankank?

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» Yep. Property has a good seed bankank
and I was surprised by that because it

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didn't come out in our seed bankank
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» So having that water there for longer
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So it's a very good species mix and that
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souththeast part of the site would
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were in wet meadow situation. So very
hopeful that we'll get the rest of the

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property uh to look like that as well.

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Uh just a sideby-side comparison just
kind of go through this quick, but this

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is just for the stream corridor. Uh we
were doing mandaring pools with a

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stream. Now we're just doing Sedge wet
meadow micro topography. We had turtle

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nesting areas, but without the stream,
we don't really need to have that. So we

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changed that to the Humuck Hollow just
to get some diversification.

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Uh the community was going to be
floodplane forest and now it's going to

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be herbaceous, no trees, just trees on
the edges. uh soil treatment in the area

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weren't going to do anything before. Now
we're just going to put compost in the

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area on top of uh the subs soils that
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Hydrarology standards going to be wet
metal easier standard to meet

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and herbaceous standard. So it's pretty
much just wet meadow versus forest. So

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currently there's no credit approved in
the old plan and now we're going to ask

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for 4.11 credits for that area
>> for what was the stream. This is for the

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stream corridor. So that center section,
it's uh six acres where there's nothing

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right now. No credits at all. It's just
left as it was. And now we're going to

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go in and change that, manipulate that
to get your credits.

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» But that's something that will need to
be reviewed by the Army Corps DNR and

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» yes, discussed.
>> That's part of our submission. Our

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submission for this week, should you
approve, we'd like to submit on

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Wednesday, is twofold. One is to add in
this habitat change. Second is to

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overhaul the whole plan and the
we have to make changes to the plan if

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we insert something and the IRT is
requiring us to do something with that

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center area some sort of vegetative
change and since we have to do something

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anyway you may as well get credit for
it. So that's why we're doing that

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submission. And then while we're there,
we since we have to make changes to your

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plan to insert this section by adding in
a wet meadow category, which you don't

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have now, we may as well just overhaul
the whole thing to the new rules, which

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the core and offered us for us to do
knowing that that we have uh less

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stringent thresholds to meet for
hydrarology and habitat. So, we want to

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take advantage of that and overhaul the
whole entire proposal, but we're about

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ready to go on that. If you approve
tonight, we'd submit it Wednesday.

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» Do Okay. Well, we can have questions.
>> We'll be going back through. We'll go

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through more of those in detail, Skype,
but I'll I'll take question now if you

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if you want.
>> No, go ahead and finish. I'll just I'll

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just make note and hold them till the
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» Very good.
>> Uh, this is just again about the stream

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order. Why is this better, lower-term
risk? Um, so we won't have as many

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issues with flashy farm drainage. So, u
this will take some of those flood

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waters. So, that the site does flood in
the spring. And I'm sure uh Mrs. Jalen

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can attest to the fact that it floods
quite often in the spring. So, as we put

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in this wet metal, we're going to grade
it down and widen it out. So, we'll have

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some flood storage in there, which will
help alleviate some of those issues in

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the spring. And this does work with our
existing barriers. So, no issue no issue

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with that. We don't have to do anything.
It's actually to work between two

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barriers. Uh easier to credit because
it's wet metal. We can get that growing

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quicker. So we don't have the long time
that it takes uh forest to flood plane

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forest to grow.
And then we do have uh wet meadow

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standards already in place so we don't
have to come up with any. And this

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actually work out good for the wood
turtles even though we don't have any of

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the spawning or them sorry the uh
nesting areas up there.

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They'll still want they'll still
colonize. they'll still use the site and

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with the wet meadow there between the
trees, they'll be attracted to it and

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it'll work out well for them with the
humollow topography

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and it's a little more diverse. So, one
thing we lamented about the whole plan

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when the DNR initially approved it was
that we were pretty much forested to

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know forested situation, but
>> nature is doing what it does out there

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and we're getting some diversification
which we'll deal with in the future. And

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then we're also introducing some
diversification here which will lead to

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better overall habitat.

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So here's uh this is the big one for you
guys. This is hydraology is your biggest

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credit category.
It's 30% of your credits. And to show

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you that things are working out on site,
this is a picture of where one of the

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barriers go through the site. And you
can see on the right there's Queen Ans

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Lace. That's the white flower. You can
see that on the right and you don't see

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it on the left. And there's a very
distinct line where those two

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differentiate. So on the left it's all
wetland grasses and and forbes which be

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flowers and then right it's all upland
grasses and queen ans lace dominating in

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the flower area and that's right where
the barrier is at. So there's a very

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distinct line where those berries are at
on site and you can see them. So on the

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left you're getting hydrarology and the
right it's dry. Uh so things are working

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on site and although
we do have hydraology in in three zones

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on site now and four zone 4 really isn't
meeting it yet. This is a picture from

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zone 4. So we are meeting some low-level
hydrarology in zone 4 right now even

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though it's not meeting in our
groundwater monitoring wells. If you

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walked out in the site the whole site
looks at like a giant wetland with the

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where the barriers are at. You can see
there's up plants. So, it is all working

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and we're going to use that to our
advantage here in our next submission.

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So, we want to accelerate your credit
release. This is all about credits and

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being able to sell them and earn
dollars. This wasn't an entirely about

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wetland restoration. This is about
making some money for the village. And

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so, we really want to capitalize on the
changes that were made in the guidance

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documents. So the biggest change that we
have is that we can do this in zones.

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Now it used to be an all or nothing. So
we would have you have to meet

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hydrarology through the entire site in a
category no matter what. That was the

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old rule and that was really hard.
That's kind of why we're stuck in limbo.

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We have to wait till the hydraologies
met for two seasons and we have to plant

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our trees and we can't get this credit
release until the trees are planted and

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we're meeting hydrarology. Well, now we
can break this up into zones. Um, and

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they actually called them polygons, but
we're jumping on say, "Hey, well, we've

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got a polygon here, and we're tying it
to where all the barriers are at." So,

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everywhere on site is is chopped up
hydraologically by the barriers. So, the

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the barriers, if you don't recall, are
dug trenches down to a clay layer and

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then we pack clay in and compact it in
the sand layers and the sandom. It sits

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just below the surface where you can't
see it. So in that that last picture

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that we showed, you couldn't see the
barrier. It's not a hump, it's not a

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burm, it's subsurface. So we're going to
capitalize on those as zones. So we

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divided the site into seven zones. So
each of the site zones can be reviewed

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for hydrarology. So we're currently
meeting three of the zones for

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hydrarology now. So we should be able to
apply for that instead of being stuck in

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limbo. But we're going to make changes
where we can apply for those. And we're

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going to make the site more uniform. So,
it's divided up in 18 categories. Now,

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well, we still have subcategories, but
we're going to divide into two different

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uniform categories. Either you need to
meet hydrarology or you don't need to

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meet hydrarology. So, what I mean by
that is you have areas on site when we

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delineated initially that were already
wetland. So, we don't have to add water

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to those areas. So, those go in the
non-lift category. So, no lift. And then

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we have upland areas that we're getting
credit for. We're putting those in the

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no lift category. Then we have
everything else where we need to get

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some water back. That's in the lift
category. So we're making these into a

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lift and no lift categories, which
allows us to further chop this up into

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smaller segments that we can meet more
quickly instead of the all or nothing

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categories we've had before.
And then the hydraology, we'd like to

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split that into two segments. So be so
before it was 30% all or nothing. That's

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what you get when you meet hydrarology.
You get 30%. And that's based off our

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two-year cycle. So, you have to meet
hydrarology for two years in normal or

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wet years. And if you get a dry year in
the middle, you're stuck for another

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year. Luckily, we had a couple normal
wet years in a row and we're meeting

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that in some areas. So, we chopped us up
in zones. We want to say, hey, we're

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meeting it for a year. We want 15%. And
so, what we're saying is, hey, we've

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earned that year, so give us the 15%
credit and and we'll we'll wait till we

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meet the next one to get our next 15%.
And so that's a change we're uh

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implementing is this hydrarology split.
And then back to your stream quarter.

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Now we're going to ask for credit six
acres without credit. Now we're going to

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get ask for 4.1 credits
uh with 10% release released on

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approval.
And then we're look the next thing is

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setting the standards to what the site
can reach. So when you see this 20 2530

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and 30 3545 those are species variance
that we have to meet. So, if we go out

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to an area and we're reviewing it for
our first plant, our first vegetative uh

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barrier or benchmark, it has to have 20
different species out there to get our

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first our first uh draw. Well, the
current plan is 30. So, we're reducing

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it down from 30 species down to 20
[snorts] and the second one currently is

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35 and then it's 45 for the third
release of credits. Well, we're going to

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reduce those out down to 20, 25, and 30.
Next, we're going to do an average over

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the site of 30 because that's this is
based off data we have in our wetland

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reference references that are on site.
We have four of them. And using the data

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we collected from those wetland
reference areas, we're changing what

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your standards can be. And that's
allowed in the new guidance where it was

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not before. So even though when we
initially drafted this document, we had

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to follow the standard guidance which
was 45 different species at the end of

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the project within an area. But our site
can't reach that. So if you go look at

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the beautiful reference wetlands that we
have and they are really nice. They're

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treed forested all over the place,
animals using them and there's the

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maximum we have is 38 species in one of
them. Well, we can't get that to 45. So

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that's why we're proposing that.
And then we want to start planting trees

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in the spring and we would plant those
in the areas that are meeting

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hydrarology. So we've been waiting and
waiting to plant trees. And Alex has

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really been saying, "Hey, let's get the
community together. Let's plant some

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trees." And I was all for it a year ago,
but we didn't meet quite enough

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hydrarology, so we had to wait. So if we
plant the trees now, we could drown them

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out and kill more than we expect to have
for mortality after planting. So we're

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but we're ready now to plant some of
those in some zones and in some zones we

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may have to wait a little bit longer for
them to meet hydrarology and then finish

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out planting. But before it was an all
or nothing thing. All the trees had to

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be planted on site before we could ask
for that credit. But now with dividing

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this into zones and our two uniform
different types of lift and no lift. Now

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we can segment this and ask for credits
earlier which we're going to do.

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So zoned approach. So here's your seven
zones. Uh the two in the north are the

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largest zone one and two and then there
three four you have five six seven in

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the south and those are where our
barrier locations are. They segment the

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site hydraologically and so it just
makes sense to break them up into those

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areas. Zones one, two, and five are
meeting hydraology on site vegetatively

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as well as in the wells. Zone three is
kind of on the edge in the middle. So,

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we are placing a barrier there at the
south end of zone three. And in four,

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even four is a little on the border,
too. It's almost meeting it, but we

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going to check out the south barrier.
There might be a spot where it's not

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quite compacted enough. So, we're going
to check that out during this fall's

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construction.
And then we're going to look at uh six

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and seven. Six is your stream corridor,
and that one is going to take a couple

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years. And then seven, we just need a
little bit more help with a barrier

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along the the ditch as well as some
grading and filling that'll be done in

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the stream quarter. We'll help with
those. So those are your seven zones

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where before the whole site was one
zone, now it's seven. And that will help

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us capitalize on some credits. Uh but
the credits in each zone, zone one is

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33.4, zone 1, two, and five, and zone 3
is 11.2, and 4, six, and seven are

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almost 18. Uh, so we're looking really
good in zones one, two, and five, and

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that's 54% of your credit. So, we're
going to hit that pretty hard here with

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our submission with the evidence that we
have that things are going well in

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sight. And should they agree, we'll
we'll get a credit release. So, we'll

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talk start talking about credits
in the next. You got it up. Okay. So,

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today this is stream corridor is 6.04
acres with no credit and we're going to

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move that to wet metal and the credit
breakdown is below. So we really don't

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really need to go through that. This
just establishment rehabilitation and uh

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establishment. So just briefly
establishments where there it was never

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wetland and we're making it wetland and
that's areas where we had upland soil

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type that we found on site and we're
going to grade that down and make that

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wetland. Rehabilitation
is where we're [clears throat]

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we have some hydrarology and we're just
going to make a little bit better and

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doesn't have vegetation. So rehabilitate
that wetland that's needs a little help.

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and reestablishments where it's drained
and we're bringing everything back

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vegetation hydrarology.

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So simpler current release schedule this
is this hydraologic lift and no lift and

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the breakdown through the site. Uh what
what allows us to do is shift

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more credit lease to construction you've
already done. So you spend a whole bunch

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of money out on site and you're not
getting a release for it. And that's why

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we're just kind of stuck in limbo. but
we're going to change that with the

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zoning and with the hydraologic lift.
So, you've already done a whole bunch of

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lift out there. You've done
construction, so we're going to ask for

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that. And we weren't allowed to ask for
that before.

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And then we're asking for the two
installments and hydrarology. Don't mind

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my spelling error, but uh so we're going
to ask for that at 15 and 15. And some

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of the zones will ask for all 30 now
because they're meeting it. And should

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our data on our third third round here
will look as well, we'll try to ask for

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more areas if they qualify. So, we do
have our third season spring hydrarology

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is in. We just have to crunch through
it. And then everything works out to be

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the same as 2022. Nothing's changing.
You're not getting any more credits

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except for the stream core door edition.
We're just asking for some of those

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sooner because you've done a whole bunch
of work out there. Why not get some

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money to pay that back?

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And then this fall, we'd like to push
this hard. We're getting a little late,

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but it just 1,200 pages takes a little
while to get through, but we're there.

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So, our presubmitt meeting is done, so
we don't have to do that. So, we'd like

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to file this on Wednesday, and then the
core will do their notification. They

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get their review period. We should get
our decision in end of September along

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with a credit release.
And then the

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we have our construction deadline. We
really like to get that done in October,

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November. It's a great time to work on
the site. It's always dry and things are

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going dormant so we're not destroying
existing vegetation. So, it's a good

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time to be out there and even into
December can work as long as the weather

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holds out. But, we do need to bid ahead
of the approval. So, I'm fairly

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confident we'll get this. I talked to
heirs about this this morning that we

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can at least get an initial read from
the core on these changes. They wanted a

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memo briefing in addition to all the
changes so they could see what we're

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proposing and give us initial nod or hey
you're crazy hold up but we are pushing

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it pretty hard but I'm confident we'll
get the approval in this. So I would

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like approval to when we feel get a good
feeling about it then to have them work

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on that so that we don't delay the
construction and that second credit

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release based on construction. And then
we don't want to run into winter. So if

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we can get that that move in that would
be helpful. And if it does end up

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pushing the spring it's not the end of
the world but it's a lot easier to work

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in that site in the the dormant time.

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Okay. So you've you've earned a lot of
credits. We're just stuck in this limbo

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and you can't get them. So now if we
reconfigure all of this, we should be

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able to do that. Now you constructed
outside the stream quarter in 2023.

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We've monitored the hydraology in 24,
25, and 26. Uh we are still looking at

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the 26 data after there's all these
submissions in. We'll get back to that.

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But a lot of the areas meeting
hydrarology and you've constructed it.

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So, let's try to get those credits since
you've already earned them. Let's do

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that by changing. We call these rows.
So, they're all the different habitat

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types, the creation we call it, and the
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They're all different rows. And we have
each of these rows in our different

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areas. And we've met a lot of that. So,
let's we'd like to ask for that.

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And right now, you have about 30 acres
that are just all or nothing. And with

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these changes, we'll be able to ask for
quite a bit of that that those credits.

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Let's see.
I'll wait for questions and let's go to

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the next schedule. So, there's a
schedule in here if you want to take a

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look at this and you can ask me
follow-up questions. Uh Alex can send

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them to me or you can send them. But
here's our construction windows broken

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apart by the different zones. Uh one,
two, and five. and three is kind of up

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in in that first that first schedule. So
you see it's a little accelerated on

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those areas. Four, six, and seven have
to wait a little longer because they're

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not meeting hydrarology. So when you're
doing wetland restoration, it's all

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about the water when when you get the
water back and when you don't. So we've

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got it back in portions of the site, but
not all. So we'll have to do two tree

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planting sessions out there. We'll do
the first one hopefully in spring and

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then the other one I'll have to wait a
couple years. um unless they unless they

403
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,679
just all of a sudden meet hydrarology.
But I don't I don't believe four, six,

404
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:17,840
and seven met it even once yet. So,
we'll still have to wait for two seasons

405
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:22,480
before we plant uh plant trees. But, we
are going to finish seeding in the

406
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:26,960
areas. So, when this is constructed out,
we'll reed the areas that are disturbed

407
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:31,679
and then we'll do an overseeding of
additional species on the rest of the

408
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:35,600
site. And that's because we've upped our
we've increased our number of species in

409
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:40,559
some of the areas and we've reduced it
in others. So we'll have to gain back a

410
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,600
few more species. So where there's a
lack of species in some areas, we'll

411
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:49,440
oversee. But we're going to count that
as complete construction in those areas

412
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:53,200
less the trees and we will be able to
ask for those credits now where we

413
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:57,840
couldn't before. And so if you have any
follow-up questions on the schedule,

414
00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:03,520
just feel free to shoot them over to me.
a lot to take in tonight.

415
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:08,880
Okay. So, credits. So, where do they
land? So, if we make these changes to

416
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:14,320
your plan and they approve it
in zones one, two, and five, we're

417
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:19,520
requesting 2.8 credits. In zone 3, we're
requesting 1.1 and 4, six, and seven,

418
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:26,159
we're requesting 1.75. So, that's
roughly 5.6 to 5.7 5.65, I think, of

419
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:29,679
credits. That's what we're asking for
with this init submission on Wednesday.

420
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,760
So, we're going to do them concurrent.
We can't ask for it in the document

421
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:37,760
change, but the new rules allow us to
run them concurrent together. So, we

422
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:42,799
will ask for them concurrent.
And so, hopefully by end of September,

423
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:48,399
you'll get a release of 5.65 acres of
credit. And then we're also going to ask

424
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:52,880
for 1.95 acres of asbuilt in the three
different zones. So, you've already done

425
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:56,240
that work. Why not ask for it? So, we'll
end up with

426
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,240
almost eight credits we're being asking
for by the end of September.

427
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,679
And of course, today you don't have any.
So, if we get eight by September, they'd

428
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:08,399
be great. I have projects that need the
credits. And then we also have the

429
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:14,080
hydraology that we can ask for for zones
one, two, and five and possibly three.

430
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:18,159
So, we'll see how those work out, but we
can ask for those this winter. So, we

431
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:22,720
could potentially ask for another 7
point probably seven and a half credits

432
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:27,840
this winter. So you should receive those
if all goes well sometime in the uh

433
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:32,559
middle winter, maybe February, towards
the end of winter. Uh so you could end

434
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:37,519
up with almost 15 credits by end of
February is what we're looking to get

435
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,919
here.
And then there the rest of the schedule

436
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:46,080
goes down based on when we'll see
things. So if we get the planting done

437
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:50,720
on the asbelts, we can ask for some more
credit next year. And then we'll have

438
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:55,360
the subsequent plantings in 2029 when we
reach hydraology in other areas. And

439
00:32:53,760 --> 00:33:00,320
then we'll start looking at our interim
vegetation area. I can tell you area

440
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:04,240
despite having cattail area five is
already ready on vegetation. That one's

441
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,600
probably going to hit. It's definitely
passed its interimm one. So that's

442
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:12,240
really good. We can't ask for it quite
yet, but that'll be open to us after

443
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:18,480
hydraologies met. So we may be able to
start asking for those pretty soon ahead

444
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,480
even ahead of this schedule.

445
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,679
So very excited about that. And there's
other areas of the site that are looking

446
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:28,720
pretty good, but there is a little bit
of work to do.

447
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:32,159
Oh, and then just one last note on
barriers. We're still not putting them

448
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:36,640
all in because we don't need them all.
So we in original submission, we had a

449
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,880
staggered construction approach. We put
in the initial barriers that we thought

450
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,840
were appropriate based on modeling
and then we'd see what happens. And

451
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,360
that's where we're at. We we saw what
happened. We have many areas that meet

452
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:52,080
hydrarology and we have some areas that
don't. So that's where we're going back

453
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:56,000
and putting in three three and a half of
the barriers that are in the plan as

454
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,919
alternates. And then we're leaving out
several that we don't need because we're

455
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:06,559
meeting hydrarology. And we saw what
happened in the southeast corner when we

456
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:10,159
over put too many barriers in. So that
area was already kind of wet when we put

457
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:14,240
the barrier in. It it inundated the
whole area. I think I've been calling it

458
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:17,599
Lake Jellen or Lake Asamon, but it
looked like a lake for a while. It sits

459
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:22,960
with surface water almost the entire
year and now it's actually become a very

460
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:27,599
good varied feature in the landscape and
we did talk about filling that with the

461
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:32,560
core but they said don't they'll just do
a habitat change later in the process as

462
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,679
things develop out. So you'll still get
credit for that area just maybe a

463
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:39,359
different type credit type was actually
okay because some of the other credit

464
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:44,960
types sell quicker. So, I'm okay with
that. And so, we took the off-ramp and

465
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:50,079
and went with them on that.
Um, so then here's the

466
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:53,520
on the next slide, we'll go through how
they get released. It's this is just

467
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:59,760
it's a little confusing how this all
works, but we're modifying your plan to

468
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:04,400
allow us to more quickly release these
credits. So, your your bank was

469
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:08,320
frontloaded in the beginning. And what I
mean by that is your 10% that was

470
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,480
released when you initially signed the
agreement wasn't spread across these

471
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:16,880
habitat type. It was geared just to like
the upland areas. And so that kind of

472
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:21,119
leaves us in limbo when we're meeting.
We have construction completed. Oh, we

473
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,320
can't get that 5% on the interim
construction. Then we get second

474
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:29,200
construction done. We can't get that.
Well, now we can if they approve this

475
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:33,359
new plan. So it'll respspread that 10%
out across the whole project instead of

476
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:37,440
just piling everything up on upland
areas and upland buffers and

477
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,280
enhancement. We'll spread it out across
the site and that unlocks a lot of the

478
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:46,160
credits and that's how we're we're able
to request these credits and that's done

479
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:50,000
by zone. So now we're zoning out our
different credit releases rather than

480
00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:53,839
just an all or nothing approach as it
was before.

481
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:59,680
So, this just breaks down how what we're
eligible for now and that we're going to

482
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:05,359
try and get these near 15 credits. So,
we're we're going to submit right away

483
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:11,400
for a good chunk of them and then we'll
approve apply for the rest and in the

484
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,400
fall winter here.

485
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,880
Okay, housekeeping stuff. So, again,
we're just changing this to a wooded

486
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,800
swamp credit type instead of coniferous
swamp and hardwood swamp. So we'll have

487
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:27,440
wooded swamp and we'll have wet meadow
and both of those sell. I think your

488
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:31,839
limeville project that you mitigated
required hardwood swamp and you had it.

489
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:35,359
So that was really good. Performance
standards are being updated. They're

490
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:40,640
following all the new guidances. U the
most the biggest change were in the the

491
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:45,480
2025 Wisconsin mitigation guidelines or
which were very favorable changes to

492
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,480
you.

493
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,960
And I guess I could say we don't have to
do these changes. You're not required.

494
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:55,599
your grandfathered in, but I really
would recommend doing these. Obviously,

495
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:59,520
we can apply for credits. And then a
reference data is really supportive. And

496
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:04,000
this is this is a big change on these
this species diversification. It seems

497
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,920
like a little thing, but down the road
in five years when we're looking at

498
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,520
trying to get all of your vegetation
credits out, this will have a big impact

499
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:16,560
that we're going to bring this down to
30 species instead of 45. So, that's a

500
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:20,640
big change, but it's supported by the
reference wetlands. And in the three

501
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:25,040
different reference wetlands, it's 36,
28, and 31 species. We have an average

502
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:29,760
of 30 roughly species. So that's why
we're proposing that. And our seed

503
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:34,160
mixes, we're changing to one seed mix
instead of

504
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,680
the different mixes we had before. We're
changing to one, but we're upping the

505
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,359
native species component by another 18
species just to get you that

506
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:45,119
diversification and the need to make it
over the threshold down the road. But

507
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,119
we'll do some overseating and some spot
seating.

508
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:55,040
And just at what things look like again.
So the left is a stream corridor.

509
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,839
Uh on the right we have volunteer
cottonwood and willow coming in. So we

510
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:02,079
have quite a bit of trees out there.
They're sp more sporadic and they're not

511
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,480
widespread ubiquitous. They're in little
patches, but at least that's helpful.

512
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,440
They are coming out. They'll save us. I
think those will be the trees that are

513
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:15,839
your long live. So we can plant bare
roottock, but the seeded ones generally

514
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:19,440
tend to to take over after time.
And we have three growing seasons of

515
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:24,000
evidence to support that things are are
looking pretty well out there. Next

516
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:29,599
slide. We do have invasive species out
there. We have reconer grass in a few

517
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:33,760
large patches, but nothing too crazy out
there. And then we have some a little

518
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,920
bit of infiltration reconarrass in
smaller

519
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,680
smaller little
patches around the site, but not too

520
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,800
concerned about that. Now, we do have a
little bit of fragmitees out there on

521
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:49,520
the edges and a few in the center, but
that should be able to be taken care of

522
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,800
easily by uh spot herbicide treatment.
And then we have purple loose thri

523
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,720
showing up mostly on the south end. And
then there also is also an encroachment,

524
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:59,760
but I'll talk to village staff about how
we want to deal with the encroachment by

525
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:03,200
the neighbor and the mowing they're
doing. We'll talk to them about but

526
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:08,160
they'll be seeing construction hopefully
soon and that'll probably uh end that

527
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:12,320
one because there's going to be some
fill on their property line. And then

528
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:16,320
village staff is very helpful on the
site. They've done a lot of serving out

529
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:20,800
surveying out there and just general
discussions about issues we're having.

530
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:26,000
And then they also made designed and and
made these raptor perches which uh my

531
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:30,720
staff says uh raptors use and and and
Mrs. Jalen just said that uh they have

532
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:35,359
hawks that utilize those. So that'll
become very helpful after we plant the

533
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:40,240
trees. That'll help with rodents out
there. as well as a deer fence will help

534
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:43,839
too, but deer tend to break through it
sometimes. You still get the rabbits and

535
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:47,760
other rodents and that'll help with uh
help with the raptor perches. And then

536
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:52,160
evergreen staff, we've volunteered over
100 hours out out there pulling invasive

537
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,520
species and doing monitoring well
repair. And what we found, I haven't

538
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:00,800
found this at other sites, but a
swamagon, the deer really like to chew

539
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:06,000
on the the cords on the monitoring
wells. And they're all they're all

540
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:09,040
sending to two units on site that are
all connected to the internet. So when

541
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:12,800
they chew on at least when they chew on
it, we know that when something goes

542
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:17,040
down, but they've been eating a lot of
the cords. So we've got a fix for that

543
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,880
finally though. So we'll And then the
deer fence will help too. But we've done

544
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:27,839
a bunch of work out there just to to
help the village along in this project.

545
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,960
And a lot of these things, the
vegetation doesn't matter about the

546
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,640
credit releases now. that's a more of a
down the road issue when we're trying to

547
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:38,240
meet vegetative standards and those
don't come in for a while. So this all

548
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,400
this does mean something but doesn't
mean anything right now to these credit

549
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,240
releases or the hydraology because all
that's all independent of this but we do

550
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:50,480
have to keep tabs on the invasive
species and make sure we're we're taking

551
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:54,079
care of those.
So what I'm asking for you tonight is

552
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,319
authorization to go ahead with this
refiling because it's a complete revamp

553
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:02,960
of your entire plan. that's entirely
different from what we submitted before

554
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:06,319
and was approved. And then to allow us
to the engineers to go forth with

555
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:11,040
bidding after we get some sort of
positive response from the

556
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,920
way we can keep our construction
schedule on course

557
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:21,280
and we're meeting everything else.
You'll be under your letter of credit

558
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,960
and we already have presubmitt and
semixing pricing will should be within

559
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,400
budget. We haven't seen these
significant increases in that and then

560
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:34,000
we'll we'll deal with the rivet stuff.
That's the core the core uh system once

561
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:37,760
uh we're approved. So that's the end of
my presentation. I'll have you take any

562
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:41,520
questions.
It's a lot to take in. It's it's kind of

563
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:44,640
overwhelming to me. I feel really old,
but I'm happy this is about done

564
00:41:43,438 --> 00:41:48,319
[laughter] but for this submission
anyway.

565
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:53,760
» So one one question I had so holding
pattern stuck that came up a number of

566
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:58,000
times. So that was the result of of
the criteria being that we had to

567
00:41:55,359 --> 00:42:02,079
achieve 100% hydrarology across the
entire property. Who who who has now

568
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:07,440
changed that rule?
>> So those are the old rules in Wisconsin

569
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:11,119
DNR changed those rules and with with uh
work with the

570
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,319
» and they've all accepted those rules. So
we don't have any

571
00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:18,720
» this were these change they they said we
should change to the new rules. it would

572
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:22,880
be beneficial to us. And so we went
through the rules to see where we could

573
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:26,480
apply them everywhere we could apply
them. And we've applied them everywhere

574
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:30,880
we can apply them to help you.
>> Okay. So um another question. So

575
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:36,880
approval was mentioned. We're looking at
approval um September 24th. Is that a

576
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,599
hard date or is that could that push or
pull or move?

577
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,960
» Oh, it depends on if they have any big
changes, but generally that would be a

578
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:46,720
hard date. If they're if they're good
with the changes, they have a comment

579
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,319
period and then they have an approval
window and then that would be their

580
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:54,319
approval. So, if they're happy with the
changes, which I'm hoping they are, then

581
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,760
that would be your deadline. If they're
not,

582
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,000
» when would we hear if they were happy
with the changes?

583
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:02,880
» They have a 15-day comment period.
>> So, once you turn it in on Wednesday of

584
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:06,319
this week,
>> 15 days from then,

585
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,359
» 15 days, they would say either do X, Y,
or Z or we're happy with it.

586
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:11,040
» Yeah. I'm hoping to with the memo
they'll get us an answer a little

587
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,640
quicker. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, they wanted a summary memo. We have

588
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:18,640
that prepared, too.
>> Okay. Um, time to get out your crystal

589
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:22,160
ball.
>> I wish I could hard date them on that,

590
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:24,880
but if we did a good job here, they
should disapprove it.

591
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,359
» I'm I'm I'm with you on that one. But
chances have changed again

592
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:34,000
» just just because I mean, you know, when
we look at this, we've been at this for

593
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:39,119
such a such a long period of time. And
you know, with this approval

594
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:43,680
with with this approval being with 100%
hydrarology being expected or being

595
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:47,760
expected, I I kind of understand why it
got hung up. But now that it's not hung

596
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,640
up again, my fear with this, my biggest
fear with this has always been the fact

597
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:54,079
that are we going to move forward and
all of a sudden wetland mitigation banks

598
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:57,040
aren't going to be a thing anymore?
There was a time, wasn't there a time

599
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,520
with the with the assembly when they
were going to get rid of wetland

600
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:03,839
mitigation banks?
>> There was a time, but that's long past.

601
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:08,079
Even the Republicans are are good with
these now. So there's no the last

602
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,119
changes they were made were positive.
>> Yeah.

603
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:15,440
» For mitigation banks. They
>> they capped what the inloo fee could

604
00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:19,359
[clears throat]
go to in fees, which was a good thing

605
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:24,319
for mitigation banks overall because it
gave you a way to increase your increase

606
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:30,560
your credit costs and recoup your
construction costs.

607
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:34,880
And when our when we revamped all the
wetland exemption regulations, we

608
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,240
included mitigation in those. And so
that's actually been a big driver of

609
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:43,839
mitigation lately are the exemption
bills. And I was one of the drafters of

610
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:49,040
that. And we we want to make sure that
people had an easier path to filling

611
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:52,960
wetlands that were inconsequential and a
mitigation factor behind a lot of those

612
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:56,960
fills. So the non-federal exemptions is
one of the big categories of mitigation

613
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:00,960
though. So I don't see this going away
anytime soon.

614
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:05,680
» Okay, that's that's Thanks for the
crystal ball. Last question then. So

615
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:13,280
species richness. So current species
richness in um in zones 76 and 4. You

616
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:18,800
you did you say that was 38 at 38?
>> No, they're all down at the 20 30 35

617
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,160
» but that's isn't that the requirement?
So is it the requirement? 25, 30, and

618
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:25,680
35.
>> 20, 20, 25, and 30 is what we're

619
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:30,480
proposing. The current what you're under
now is based on published guidance, and

620
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:35,839
that's 30, 35, and 45. And that's the
current one. But we can propose

621
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:40,400
with on-site data that we can't meet
that. And so, we have direct evidence

622
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,119
that our natural wetlands that are fully
functional and what we're striving for

623
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:48,000
don't meet that.
>> They maximize out at 20 or 25. Yeah,

624
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:53,200
there's one at 38, there's one at 28,
one at 31, I think, and that was done by

625
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:58,160
time meander study and fistic quality
analysis that I conducted back in quite

626
00:45:56,319 --> 00:46:02,319
a while ago, but okay, it hasn't changed
much since. So, since we have direct

627
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:05,680
evidence on site, I expect that one will
get approved.

628
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:11,359
» Okay. Um, just one last maybe one last
question for Minister Kaker. Do you

629
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:14,319
recall or maybe this is for director dem
so far that we've gotten on this was it

630
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,480
four
>> the more that we sold at $70,000 each

631
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:20,720
» 5.83 3.
>> Sorry, was it 53?

632
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,560
» It was closer to six.
>> Closer to six

633
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,640
» and I think they came in at about 70,000
a piece.

634
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,079
» It was more than that. I think the
70,000 was for the Lionville project,

635
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:35,119
but
>> um

636
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:40,560
» current rates for
uh a credit would be closer to 160,000.

637
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,640
» Yeah, we we gave a discount to Brown
County being

638
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:46,720
» Yeah, we did.
>> I remember that. But it was 70,000 and

639
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,640
it was four credits [clears throat]
>> somewhere around there. Around there.

640
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,760
» You have that ability to discount your
credit prices.

641
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,680
» Uh you you do have one competitor that
discounts their prices at Shbboen

642
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:02,319
County, but they only discount their
prices for businesses in Shbboen County.

643
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:05,200
» Not only do they not they only discount
it, they only sell it to projects within

644
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,359
Shboen County.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So you do have some

645
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,160
competition in Shboen County, but they
don't sell outside of that area. Okay.

646
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:18,560
That's all the questions. I'll turn it
over to somebody else smarter than me.

647
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:23,839
» Has Shabboan County followed any of
these changes too.

648
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:26,480
» I don't know if they have made any
changes. I don't know.

649
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,160
» They're further established.
>> Good question. I don't know the answer

650
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:35,119
to that one if they have.
Yeah, they're a little further along.

651
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:39,359
» I'd also add I don't believe the village
board needs to take any action. Your

652
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:42,800
role in this project is approving the
budget which you have approved the

653
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:48,000
budget. you've approved for construction
in 2026. This is more of a

654
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:52,079
administrative engineering
modification to the plan and then

655
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:57,599
ultimately the board will have a final
say once and if bids come back for

656
00:47:54,800 --> 00:48:00,800
construction. Uh and then the the
concept about accepting the bidding

657
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:07,440
risk. Again, that's more of an
administrative process. Worst case

658
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:11,520
scenario, we let it out for bid. DNR
comes back and says, "Oh, you actually

659
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:17,839
can't do X, Y, or Z." we would issue an
addendum to that bid package andor void

660
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:22,800
that contract and then rebid it. So
there's really not any financial risk uh

661
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:27,280
if you were to to bid it before the
final approval came.

662
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:31,119
» Hey, one less thing for you to do.
Perfect. Let's come back to you for the

663
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:35,599
money request.
>> Well, that answered my question. Thank

664
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:40,400
you. Welcome. Um this I have two
questions for you. They're both quick

665
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:44,000
and easy. Um, can the this presentation
be added to the minutes or to the packet

666
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:48,400
for the minutes?
>> Okay. And we'll add it to the website.

667
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:51,839
So, we have a a web page dedicated to
the wetland bank. We can include it and

668
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:57,200
I can send you a copy.
>> And um, in general, looking across the

669
00:48:54,559 --> 00:49:02,480
entire mass of the space, how wet will
it be like in the spring? Is it

670
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:07,200
something you can like walk through and
not get wet most of it? or is it kind of

671
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:10,240
like no, it's a pretty much a marsh and
you're going to sink in if you try to

672
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,359
walk through?
>> That's a good question. So, you're going

673
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,599
to have all of the above. You're going
to have areas that you'll need waiters

674
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:21,040
on to cross and you're going to need
areas you're going to be areas you can

675
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:25,599
walk in tennis shoes. So, it just depend
but spring is the wetter period. So, I'd

676
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:31,520
expect in spring much of the sites can
be pretty squishy, but become Juneish

677
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:35,200
and most of it dries up and you'll have
those one really wet areas, those few

678
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:41,000
wet areas.
>> That's it. That's all I got.

679
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,000
» Others.

680
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:53,119
» I think it was a great update.
>> Yeah.

681
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,240
» Yeah. Yeah, I'm real I'm happy with this
one. This is better than a lot of the

682
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,680
other updates. I'm real happy we can
make something happen here. You know,

683
00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:04,720
we've kind of been languishing that
limbo and this uh the new changes gave

684
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:08,880
us a way out and we're taking it.
>> I'm just nervous. I'm very very nervous.

685
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:15,200
I mean, because we've been at this for
so long and having been in limbo now for

686
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:20,880
so long and
dealing with who we're dealing with and

687
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:24,960
the amount of legal hoops um and how
things have changed.

688
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,960
» I just let's just get this through.
>> Yes.

689
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:31,040
» Just get this through.
>> If we get this change approved, it's

690
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:35,599
going to make this a lot easier.
>> Yeah. And I mean, if we, you know,

691
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:39,040
because at some point, you know, I mean,
if we have to look at additional

692
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:42,880
support, you know, to get this through,
we we got to get this through

693
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:48,960
» um to to the point where we're not
having to deal with other outside

694
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:53,760
agencies and the element of change is
gone, right? And then we can just manage

695
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:57,200
the piece of property.
>> I'm hopeful and I'm I'm positive right

696
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:00,400
now.
>> Okay. good staff, really good people

697
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:03,200
we're working with and they suggested
that we take a lot of these changes.

698
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,960
» I mean, I still
>> even offered to help do it and but I've

699
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,760
combed through it. I think I'm happy.
I'll I'll take her help, but I want it

700
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,480
as an approval.
>> I mean, I think there were three of us

701
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:16,880
on this board who were here when this
all started when this all started some

702
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:21,599
time ago. Three of us remaining and and
I understand that there was trepidation

703
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:28,240
from the very beginning and rightfully
so. Um, but you know, in my estimation

704
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:33,200
as we're sitting here today, Besides
being a long haul and and how we've been

705
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:37,760
stagnant for so long on this, you know,
the dollars when you add up the dollars

706
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:41,119
on this, the dollars still make sense.
>> Um, you know, when you're looking at

707
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,920
five credits at 70, thou more than
$70,000 a year and the potential for it.

708
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:50,559
And then you look at what that land was
yielding before that and how that land

709
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:55,839
is going to be preserved for a very long
time, representative of what Swamo

710
00:51:52,800 --> 00:52:00,000
really truly was. um you know back in
the old the very very old days

711
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,440
» you know back when we started working
mitigation banks it was 16,000 a credit.

712
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:09,280
» Yeah.
>> Now your wetland your wet meadow credits

713
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:13,760
are minimum 100,000 and then forested
credits can be 130 160.

714
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,640
» But you got to preface that because it's
like selling something on eBay, right?

715
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:19,280
They're only worth that much if you can
find somebody who wants to pay that much

716
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,160
for the baseball card.
>> But luckily you've got a base that has

717
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,599
to buy. [clears throat] Some of them
have to buy from you. So at least you

718
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,559
have some of that. But it is it's not
for the faint of heart. For sure.

719
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,119
» Well, that's for sure.
>> Mhm. And it takes a long time. But

720
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:36,240
» I would never recommend it to anybody.
>> But we'll see.

721
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:39,760
» No, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it
unless you have a stomach for a long

722
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,559
» It's long range.
>> Long approvals and a lot of money sunk

723
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:46,079
into it.
>> And it's long range. It's long very long

724
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:51,280
range. I mean, there's there's long
range visioning and then there's really

725
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:55,359
long range visioning. And this is
>> but they made these changes to make it

726
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:59,680
easier for people to get you good easier
to operate. And thank goodness they did

727
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:01,440
because we can have a way out of limbo
now.

728
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:03,440
» Thank goodness.
>> All right.

729
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:06,800
» Thank you.
>> Any followup questions? Just shoot them

730
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,680
to Alex or you can email me directly.
Happy to help.

731
00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:13,319
» Thank you much.
>> Thank you.

732
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,319
» Good day.

733
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:20,160
» This wetland mitigation bank reminds me
of my own mortality. Watching the

734
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,520
timeline of this the called legacy
projects. Pretty strong likelihood that

735
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:30,000
I won't be here to see this one finish
out. But anyway, thank you.

736
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:35,599
» All right, everybody ready to go on?
>> Let's do it. All right. Um, we're going

737
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:39,839
on. We are That was a wetland mitigation
bank. That was item 5B. We are on to

738
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:43,359
item six, public appearances. This is
for anyone in the audience who wishes to

739
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,079
come forward and speak to an item not on
the agenda. Provide your name and

740
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,200
address and let us know what's on your
mind. Anyone in the audience who wishes

741
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:54,319
to come forward to speak to an item not
on the agenda? Here's your opportunity.

742
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:59,200
Going once.
Anyone? Two. Last time.

743
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:04,160
All right. [clears throat]
No one here to speak um publicly on an

744
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:07,680
item not on the agenda. That gets us to
the consent agenda this evening. Consent

745
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:15,119
agenda consists of previous minutes of
the village board dated July 20th, 2026.

746
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:21,119
And uh item B, June 2026 fire department
report. Item C, May 2026 animal control

747
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:26,960
report. Item D, uh committee
appointments 2026 through 2027.

748
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,400
Has everyone had a chance to look at the
consent agenda. Are there any questions

749
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,559
or discussion on items within the
consent agenda?

750
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:35,040
» Motion to approve.
>> Second.

751
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:39,359
» Thank you. Trusty Eert has offered a
motion to approve and that has been

752
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:42,800
seconded by Trusty Romis.
Anyone else?

753
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,839
Hearing no other discussion, all those
in favor, please signify by saying I.

754
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,559
» I.
>> And those opposed.

755
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:56,400
» That motion carries six to zero.
Very good. Item eight this evening,

756
00:54:53,760 --> 00:55:00,800
planning and zoning items 8A is a public
hearing. The vill's intent to vacate the

757
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:04,160
unused portion of the rightway of
Cardinal Lane being part of the

758
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:08,599
northwest quarter of the northeast
quarter of section 33T25NR20E.

759
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:15,839
Zoning Administrator Ducks.
>> Thank you. This Cardinal Lane had

760
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:23,839
intersected with both White Pine and
Velp um 32205.

761
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:28,720
Um the road was redirected to White Pine
west of the Eskanava Lake Superior

762
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:32,240
tracks to alleviate some of the
congestion in that develop. Um that

763
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:37,280
portion was discontinued. It has never
been formally I guess discontinued

764
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:42,800
rather than vacated.
This this is only for the village

765
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:50,240
rightaway portion. We have no utilities
in that to discontinue. Any easements

766
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:56,720
for any other utilities will be up to
the property owners and release of those

767
00:55:53,440 --> 00:56:04,040
should they need that. We do expect that
each adjacent property would receive

768
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:04,040
half of the discontinued rightaway.

769
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:11,599
Steve, I know you had talked about the
little notch on the corner.

770
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:17,200
Do they have an updated exhibit?
>> Yeah, there's an updated exhibit.

771
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:23,799
I put the wrong one in the packet,
>> I believe. So, that's okay. As long as

772
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,799
it's included in the final version.

773
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:35,359
So the easements for the utilities will
remain unless the future owners request

774
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:37,119
through each utility vacation of those
easements.

775
00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:41,520
» Correct.
>> Um

776
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:48,160
either way you look at it
that the white pinep corner should be

777
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:52,559
water and sewer, right? They can't just
decide not to be.

778
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:57,599
» We're talking about WPS easements. We're
talking about cable easements. the

779
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,319
actual utilities outside of our
jurisdiction,

780
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:05,280
» but it wouldn't be so simple for that
future owner to just say, "Nope, don't

781
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:07,200
want water and sewer."
So,

782
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,079
» there's nothing to do with
>> okay,

783
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:15,520
» future water and sewer connections.
>> But that that is the plan on that

784
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:20,880
corner. If everything else,
>> the plan is for that at some point to

785
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,680
develop and be on sewer and water. Yes.
>> Okay.

786
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,839
This is
>> nothing to do with that.

787
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,440
» Nothing to do with Okay.
>> It's not an easement so that they can't

788
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,440
put in sewer and water.
>> There you go.

789
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:35,200
» Yeah.
>> No, the sewer and water go around go

790
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,119
down existing roadways.
>> Yeah.

791
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:40,480
» Within our rightway.
>> It wouldn't And if you think about, you

792
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:45,280
remember the map we looked at was that
last last meeting or whatever, our

793
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:52,240
probably our number one area that we
have to, you know, increase sewer and

794
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:55,599
water usage and users is there.
All of our sewer and water

795
00:57:54,319 --> 00:58:00,960
» construction typically [clears throat]
takes place within the rightway, not

796
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:04,640
within utility.
>> WPS has a main gas man going through

797
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,680
there right now.
>> It just the way that's worded could it

798
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:15,400
was vague.
Just making sure.

799
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,400
» Yep. Other questions?

800
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,799
Questions for the good zoning
administrator?

801
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:26,040
Hearing none.
>> I have one.

802
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:33,280
» Take a compliment when you get it. They
don't come that often, even if they're

803
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:36,000
vague. Okay. Um I don't hear any other
discussion on this. Is there a motion

804
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:40,000
then on this particular item?
>> President Van Ross, you'd have to open

805
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:43,440
the public hearing, ask three times for
comment, and then close the public

806
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:47,040
hearing.
>> Thank you for the reminder. We've never

807
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:51,359
enforced [clears throat] the three times
>> per Robert's rules of order.

808
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,559
» Better make sure we do times.
>> All right. So, opening this up. Uh, we

809
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,559
are in a public hearing, so I don't have
to open it up. It's a public hearing.

810
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:03,280
» You would open the floor.
>> Motion to open the floor.

811
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,119
» Okay. We've got a motion to open the
floor for public comment. Is there a

812
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,640
second?
>> Second. A second from Trusty Andrews.

813
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:11,520
All in favor of opening the floor for
public comment signify by saying I.

814
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,920
» I. I.
>> And those opposed? That motion carries

815
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:19,599
six to zero. The floor is open for
public comment. Anyone wishing to make

816
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:24,240
public comment?
Is there anyone wishing to make public

817
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:28,480
comment?
Hello. Hello. Is there anyone wishing to

818
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:31,520
make public comment?
That was three times. There is no one

819
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,440
wishing to make public comment. Is there
a motion to

820
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,520
» motion to close?
>> Thank you. Motion to close

821
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,720
» the public hearing. And who seconded
that?

822
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:45,280
» I did. Trusty Rome seconded that motion
to close the public hearing. All those

823
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:49,680
in favor of closing public hearing,
please signify by saying I. I.

824
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:53,520
» I. Those opposed. That motion carries
six to zero. What would you like us to

825
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:57,359
do now?
>> You would move on to item 8B, which is

826
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:04,799
to act on the resolution.
>> Excellent. I just wanted to make sure.

827
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:09,119
All right. 8B act on resolution 26011 to
vacate the unused portion of rightway of

828
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,960
Cardinal Lane. This will be a roll call
vote. Is there any further discussion on

829
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:18,960
this particular item? If there is none,
I would entertain a motion.

830
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:24,240
» Motion to approve resolution 26011
discontinuing a portion of Cardinal Lane

831
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:28,799
as detailed in exhibit A. Trusty McKe
has offered a motion to uh approve

832
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:33,599
resolution 26011
disontinuing a portion of Cardinal Lane

833
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:38,720
as detailed in exhibit 8. And I have a
second from Trustee Romis on that

834
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:43,440
particular item. Last chance for any
further discussion, comments

835
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,480
hearing. None. May we have a roll call,
please?

836
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:47,920
» Absolutely. Trusty Andrews.
>> I.

837
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,359
» Trusty Eert.
>> I.

838
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,720
» Trusty McKe.
>> Hi.

839
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,160
» Trusty Rome.
>> Hi.

840
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,400
» Trusty Stevens.
>> Hi. President Venrazam

841
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:59,559
» I.
>> Motion carries six to zero. Thank you.

842
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,760
» Okay.

843
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:15,040
Item 8 C this evening is um public
hearing municipal code amendment to

844
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:21,920
chapter 18 the zoning code to amend
18.04 uh 04 parent 5 parent A. Minimum

845
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:26,400
floor area to include the minimum size
of a residential dwelling shall be the

846
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:30,799
finished space above grade as required
by each separate residential or

847
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:36,000
agricultural zoning classification.
Zoning administrator Dunks.

848
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:41,760
» Thank you. Right now the dwelling
standards require a minimum floor area

849
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:45,920
in that section of a minimum of 1,200
square feet above grade. Our changes

850
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:51,040
last year to the residential code when
we created the three the sewer district

851
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:57,680
code when we created the three separate
classifications actually reduce that um

852
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:03,359
down to 800 square ft in the RS3
um and we're looking to remove that

853
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:08,319
language within 18.04
um to adjust to reflect that change. So,

854
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:11,760
we're asking that the minimum floor
area,

855
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:16,799
minimum size of the residential dwelling
shall be the finished space above grade

856
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:21,480
as required by each separate residential
or agricultural zoning classification.

857
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:28,240
It's just more to clean anything up.
It's not changing anything. We just

858
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:31,839
missed when we did the code changes last
year.

859
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:35,760
Okay.
Questions for zoning administrator

860
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:39,760
Dunks? Anyone?
Isn't that kind of creating a low rent

861
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:44,640
district?
>> We're not

862
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:50,240
changing anything that wasn't changed
already last year at what in July, June,

863
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:54,640
whenever we made that.
>> I didn't agree with it then either. So,

864
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:59,160
» we're not
creating a low rent district.

865
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:09,200
might be creating with our R3 an area
that's more affordable for some to stay

866
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:12,160
within the village of Swamo, but that's
a totally different discussion and we're

867
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,920
just trying to clean up the language
because we have a conflict in our code

868
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:20,640
and it should have been changed along
with those changes that went into effect

869
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:22,640
last year.
All

870
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:30,240
right. Additional uh questions or
comments for zoning administrator Dunks

871
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:33,119
on this?
>> Otherwise, being a quick learner, I'll

872
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:38,640
look for a motion to open this up for
public hearing.

873
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:43,839
» So, on the motion, you don't need uh a
motion to open the public hearing. You

874
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,920
» you call for it and then you
>> But we had so much fun the last time we

875
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:51,039
did it this time. [laughter]
>> All right. Never mind. necessary.

876
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:55,680
» Trusty Eard doesn't get the opportunity
to offer a motion, then I'm sorry.

877
01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:59,119
» All right, let's open this up for public
Let's open this up for public hearing.

878
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:02,000
Is there anyone um in the audience who
wishes to come forward on this

879
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:07,039
particular item, municipal code
amendment to chapter 18 of the zoning

880
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:12,359
code to amend 18.04, etc., etc. Is there
anyone in the audience who wishes to

881
01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:12,359
come forward and speak on this item?

882
01:04:12,754 --> 01:04:22,079
[snorts]
Welcome.

883
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:29,359
» Hello. Uh Tom L 2091 Maggie Lane. So So
where do we have the residential zoning

884
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:36,799
three area in the village?
Last year about this time, we took the

885
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:43,920
residential sewer district
and we went from residential sewer to

886
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:49,520
residential sewer one which encompassed
the entire

887
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:56,000
old RS zoning. We created the ability to
go to an RS2 zoning and an RS3 zoning.

888
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:59,680
» So where is RS3? Do you have a map?
>> No place right now. Well, you don't have

889
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:05,119
a map of it. Okay.
>> Well, we haven't created any

890
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:10,720
reclassifications. Our expected would be
around the Chambers Hill Bar Area would

891
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:17,760
be our number one location where we
would expect

892
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:21,680
more of a a denser population. Um likely
multifamily

893
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,079
as part of that because no
>> Well, okay. So,

894
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:32,720
» creating traffic.
>> I don't. So here's my feeling. So 800

895
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:37,680
square ft, we already have apartments in
Swamo, right? So the building is more

896
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:42,400
than 800 square f feet. Where would we
be putting a house that's only 800

897
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:49,359
square f feet? I don't think we're going
to be putting tiny house houses in

898
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:55,200
residential areas in Swamo.
>> Our RS3 zoning allows for single family

899
01:05:53,440 --> 01:06:00,319
homes. Yeah,
>> on smaller lots. Those lots wouldn't be

900
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:04,640
large enough probably for a 1,200 foot
home. They can in RS3, they can have

901
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:10,160
single family home, they can have
duplex, they can have multifamily. It's

902
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:16,400
all by code now instead of all being
through PDDs and whatnot. And we've

903
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:24,400
already changed that, created that. We
have an RS3 classification that allows a

904
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:28,400
dwelling unit to be 800 square feet. If
it's an apartment building, each

905
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:33,039
apartment unit would need to be that 800
square ft, not the entire apartment

906
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:38,559
building.
It's already created. This is a conflict

907
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:46,160
in our code that was overlooked when we
did this last year. And it's a cleanup

908
01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:51,680
of the code. We are not changing
how anything else is being implemented.

909
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:58,400
This is just a cleanup of code language
that [clears throat] was missed when we

910
01:06:54,000 --> 01:07:01,760
did the thorough code change last year.
>> That's when we created RS3.

911
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:07,319
» That's when we created the the three
separate classifications. Yes.

912
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,319
» To get rid of the PDDs.

913
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,200
» Still have
>> not to get rid of them, but to make

914
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:18,319
» Yeah.
the streamline the process. Yes.

915
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:22,359
» What's the width of an RS3 again?
>> I believe 65

916
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:28,280
» about 60
>> 60 to 65.

917
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:34,960
» Does
>> I mean RS1 is now down to 70. So

918
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:42,480
» does this 800 foot require a one stall
garage attached to it?

919
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:46,000
We still require if it's a onebedroom,
they must have a one- stall garage. If

920
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:51,680
it's a two-bedroom or greater, they must
have a two stall garage.

921
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:55,680
That's for all of your RS zonings.
And that's not part of this discussion

922
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:58,480
tonight. That's something that was
already implemented in our

923
01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:01,920
» I just wanted to know if the 800 square
feet included the garage.

924
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:04,240
» That's not finished.
>> That's notable space.

925
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:08,240
» It didn't say
>> it says finished space above grade.

926
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:11,119
Right.
>> It's not a garage.

927
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,039
» It's creating a ton of apartments
basically.

928
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,839
» Well, I see some nice
>> apartment's an apartment,

929
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:20,799
» but this is like
>> I think that's a like a tiny house type

930
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:23,679
situation.
>> Not an apartment.

931
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:28,159
» Those are gross over generalizations.
You don't know that. You don't know that

932
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:32,880
it's creating apartments or tiny houses.
What it does is it gives us it gives us

933
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:37,759
the ability because these are still
approved by planning and zoning and

934
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:41,120
still approved by there a recommendation
made by planning and zoning and approved

935
01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:48,000
by the board. Any plan that comes
forward. What this does is this gives us

936
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:52,400
options and gives the community options
um if we decide to pursue those options.

937
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:58,080
That's the responsibility of every
trustee who sits on this board. um and

938
01:08:55,759 --> 01:09:02,000
citizens get to speak out on it and etc
etc depending on where it's at. The idea

939
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:04,159
was Chambers Hill, the issue with
Chambers Hill is

940
01:09:03,577 --> 01:09:07,679
[clears throat and cough]
a single family dwelling who's going to

941
01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:11,600
have little kids probably isn't going to
spend the amount of money it's going to

942
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:15,359
cost for a home to live in back of a
bar.

943
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:17,839
Now on the other hand, apartments may
>> and this was a mechanism

944
01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:24,880
» possibly
>> to when we go through our comprehensive

945
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:30,159
plan, we will show those areas
more effectively within our new

946
01:09:26,719 --> 01:09:36,159
comprehensive plan on what areas and
what the density we anticipate that

947
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:40,719
zoning to be.
>> And I think another way to look at this

948
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:45,040
800 square feet is it's a good
opportunity for a starter home if a is

949
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:51,920
being built at $300 a square foot. The
person now wants to spend $240,000 on a

950
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:55,600
home. Give a person or give a individual
or maybe a couple. Sure, it's small, but

951
01:09:54,400 --> 01:10:00,239
then what they're doing is they're
investing in something instead of paying

952
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:06,080
money for rent for an 800 foot
apartment. Now, they've got a it's a

953
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:09,920
smaller home. Sure. Sure. It's true. Or
or maybe they do the 800 square foot and

954
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:15,679
they make it a twotory. Think Archie
Bunker, right? those those houses used

955
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:21,760
to exist. They just didn't have garages.
>> And again, this is to clean up something

956
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:24,719
that was missed. It's not to change how
our code is implemented. We already have

957
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:28,640
those three zones.
>> I think it builds freedom in for

958
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:32,080
individuals to build what they want to
build.

959
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:37,199
» It builds less freedom for us to be able
to

960
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:41,040
keep a lot of lowcost housing.
>> What what's problem with lowcost

961
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:46,800
housing? Because what don't I mean the
What my complaint is is we we don't want

962
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:52,239
to conflate conflate
lowcost housing with some of the other

963
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:56,239
problems that we may see in society.
>> Okay. Welfare housing.

964
01:10:53,679 --> 01:11:00,640
» Well, okay. So, if you're but if a
person is building an 800 square foot

965
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:05,679
house, they're still I mean, we're not
we're not talking about um subsidized

966
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,080
housing.
>> I think we are.

967
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,280
» Well, that's a whole different
conversation. Okay. So, we have to

968
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,199
remember
>> house. It's a house that someone can

969
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:19,760
afford to build who makes $60,000 a
year.

970
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:23,280
» You have to remember it's 800 minimum
>> and correct. And they could go up to

971
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,719
» they go whatever they want. Whatever
fits on the wall,

972
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:29,120
» whatever.
>> Let's say it's 1,000 square feet, 1200

973
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,000
» 1,200.
>> Yeah.

974
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:35,280
» You know,
>> um I mean, you still have to go storm

975
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:42,239
water management. you have if you have
smaller lots, you have uh more roof per

976
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:46,320
the lot. I mean, there's a lot of things
that because you got to you got to put

977
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:50,960
storm water management in any type of
subdivision you put there. So, if you

978
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:56,000
put a bunch of small houses, you might
have a big pond or a couple ponds

979
01:11:53,920 --> 01:12:01,280
» on Yeah. retention ponds. You're going
to have to have those regardless of if

980
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:08,400
you have a small house or big house, but
a big lot will have less uh hard surface

981
01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:09,520
on it than than a than a bunch of small
lots.

982
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:15,520
» But you also
>> So you got to think about that. But I

983
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:20,800
mean I have a question for um Alex on
this. So was this because of some

984
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:25,120
federal requirements that you went to
smaller?

985
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:29,520
» No. So the this code
>> compliance or something.

986
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:34,000
» No, Tom. This code change
>> is like if in some area of the code we

987
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,960
had said you can only have red and blue
houses and then in another part of the

988
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:40,880
code it says you can only have red
houses. Well, they're in conflict. So

989
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:45,040
that's what's happening here is we have
language in two spots that are

990
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:48,480
conflicting. We're fixing those
conflicting

991
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:52,960
issues. That's all we're doing here.
We're not adding or changing anything to

992
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:56,480
the code. Okay.
Well, I guess my questions are answered.

993
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:59,280
I
>> you know,

994
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:03,199
» it'll be a lot of traffic on your county
highway.

995
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:08,080
» Well, I mean, I worry about the
>> I worry about the land right here. We

996
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:11,040
could go to tiny houses right behind the
village hall.

997
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:15,440
» I mean, that's right next to my
subdivision, bigger houses.

998
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:19,199
» We're we're we're in multiple
conversations.

999
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:23,920
There has been
um many meetings like this, many

1000
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:30,800
presentations of how we got to the
zoning. And so, but we're not talking

1001
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:34,320
about changing the zoning. And so, I I
think I can appreciate, you know, these

1002
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:38,960
perspectives, but that's not what's
being asked tonight. This is really

1003
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:43,920
about cleaning up the vocabulary that
lines up with the zoning, not to debate

1004
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:48,920
whether the different types of zone and
how many square feet we have. That's a

1005
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,920
different conversation.

1006
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:52,719
» Well, you're doing your comp plan right
now, right?

1007
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:57,360
» We are. Yeah.
>> Okay.

1008
01:13:53,600 --> 01:14:04,480
» And I think, you know, let's think about
it in a different way. This doesn't have

1009
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:12,719
to be low income housing.
>> This this could be housing for me to

1010
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:18,239
sell my house and live in Swamo. I only
use half my house.

1011
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:26,239
and be able to
the reason a lot of us are our age

1012
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:31,679
are not selling our house because
it's a wash. We go to a smaller house

1013
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:37,520
and we haven't even gained anything
where [snorts] I could finally build a

1014
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:42,719
smaller house on a smaller lot. I could
sell my house and I could pocket some

1015
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:49,040
money and live in a small place. So
think about it for the seniors. I I know

1016
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:54,960
many people out here in Swamo that are
looking for something to downsize. So I

1017
01:14:52,960 --> 01:15:01,840
you got to stop thinking that this is
just for lowincome people. It's not. It

1018
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:07,040
could potentially be a great thing that
we don't have in Swamo for older people.

1019
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:11,360
So I would reference I would reference
the comp and for you supervisor Lond I

1020
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:14,480
mean come to the comprehensive plan
meetings that we're having. These are

1021
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,120
the discussions that we're having at the
comprehensive plan meetings. The

1022
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:21,440
discussion that we're having tonight
about the zoning RS 1, two, and three

1023
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:27,679
that was there were discussions all of
last year that led up to finally a vote

1024
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:34,239
last year on that that I think was a six
to one vote to change those that to RS

1025
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:37,920
one, two, and three um at that time. So,
and this is just the language as it's

1026
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:42,400
been stated to clear that up. Now, going
forward, you know, what we're going to,

1027
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:46,159
you know, where we're going to be
putting these buildings or how we're

1028
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:49,520
going to treat, you know, these
residential structures, where they're

1029
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:53,440
going to be. That's the planning and
that's the the comprehensive plan

1030
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:56,480
committee, which has seven citizen
representatives and is open to the

1031
01:15:54,960 --> 01:16:00,239
public and meets after every planning
and zoning meeting. That's the next step

1032
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:04,880
that we're starting to move into right
now is where are these areas going to

1033
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:11,440
be? Where is if we have an RS3, where is
an RS3? What is an appropriate RS3 area?

1034
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:14,719
Um, you know, what those are those are
the discussions I think coming. And I

1035
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:18,560
don't think, you know, you talk about
tiny houses, Brown County has an

1036
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:23,199
excellent tiny house development for
veterans that they've been working on.

1037
01:16:20,719 --> 01:16:27,280
Terrific. And there has been discussion
at the comprehensive plan level um about

1038
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:30,320
you know do we have any opportunity
where we could do something for senior

1039
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:34,480
housing like that a tiny house
development in the village of Swamo I

1040
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:40,400
think the consensus thus far although
there are options is no we don't because

1041
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:44,719
we just don't have the land for it um
but that comprehensive planning

1042
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:48,159
committee made up of citizens is having
those discussions and has a vote in this

1043
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:51,920
that they make recommendations to the
planning and zoning committee which will

1044
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:55,679
make re recommendations to of this board
and then the board will have to make

1045
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:59,600
those decisions with citizens commenting
all along the way. So I think there's I

1046
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:02,239
think there's a lot of what you're
trying to get at and what you're

1047
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:06,800
interested in. I think there's a lot of
that that's undecided and at that level

1048
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:14,159
right now and you know would benefit
from uh public comment

1049
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:17,679
and that meets every second Tuesday
>> or Monday

1050
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:21,280
second Monday. You're more than welcome
to participate. We'd love to hear your

1051
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:25,520
perspectives.
I show up every time.

1052
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:28,400
» But there is not one next week Monday.
>> What?

1053
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:33,440
» There is not a
>> Brown County.

1054
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:37,239
» Brown County does not have their stuff
>> ready

1055
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,239
» ready to present.

1056
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:42,159
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1057
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:46,400
» Okay.
All right. Um I'm guessing there's no

1058
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:50,203
one else, but I'll ask three times just
in case. Is there any other public

1059
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,719
comment?
>> [clears throat and cough]

1060
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:57,199
» This is a public hearing. Is there any
other public comments?

1061
01:17:55,040 --> 01:18:02,560
Last time public hearing. Is there any
other public comment?

1062
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:06,800
All right. Hearing none, we'll move on
to item 8, which is act on ordinance

1063
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:12,239
2026-05
to amend chapter 18.04,

1064
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:18,080
parentth five, parent a minimum floor
area. This will be a roll call vote.

1065
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:24,800
Anything else to uh share? Administrator
Dunks. Sorry. Um, yes, Mr. Dunks.

1066
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:29,679
Anything else to add?
>> More than enough has been discussed.

1067
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:33,000
» Okay. Anyone else with comments on this
particular item?

1068
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:39,760
» Okay. Is there a motion?
>> Like to make a motion to approve

1069
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:44,800
ordinance number 2026-05
modifying 18.04 [clears throat]

1070
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:50,560
PR five PR a minimum floor area minimum
size of a residential dwelling shall be

1071
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:54,080
the finished above grade as required by
each separate residential or

1072
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:59,440
agricultural zoning classification.
Because what this does is this removes

1073
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:05,000
an inherent conflict inside of our code
and references the subsections to

1074
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,000
determine the area.

1075
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:12,320
» Thank you. That motion was made um in
its entirety by uh Trustee Romas. Is

1076
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,880
there a second?
>> Second.

1077
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:19,199
» I have a second from Trustee Andrews on
that motion. Last chance for any

1078
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:22,400
questions or discussion.
Roll call, please.

1079
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,800
» Trusty Eckert.
>> Nay.

1080
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:27,120
» Trusty McKifrey.
>> I. Trusty Rome.

1081
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:28,800
» Hi.
>> Trusty Stevens.

1082
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:30,400
» Hi.
>> Trusty Andrews.

1083
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,320
» I.
>> President Venrazza.

1084
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:38,800
» I.
>> Motion carries 5 to one. Thank you.

1085
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:42,400
» Okay. Item 8E this evening is also a
public hearing. Um it this is a public

1086
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:47,199
hearing on the municipal code amendment
to chapter 17 the subdivision code to

1087
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:51,679
include the requirement of building
elevations on the face of the plat.

1088
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:56,880
Zoning administrator Dunks if you would.
>> Thank you. Um due to um recent issues

1089
01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:01,040
mainly this spring created by the
unusually heavy spring rains continued

1090
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:06,320
[clears throat] staff concern [cough]
with additional new homes being

1091
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:10,800
constructed with at risk situations. Um
staff looked at possible adoption of

1092
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:16,480
language within the subdivision
ordinance which would alleviate some of

1093
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:21,520
these concerns. Um we had some new
construction homes with

1094
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:26,320
um at grade exposed basement windows
that took on water during those heavy

1095
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:31,840
rains. We also had additional homes
built after that with the same risks and

1096
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:38,719
we really don't have anything in our
language that we can have that that

1097
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:46,480
assist us in making sure this does not
continue to be an issue. Um so we're

1098
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:50,800
suggesting that we add 17.05 parents 8
storm water management and drainage

1099
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:57,199
protections.
A would require the minimum minimum

1100
01:20:53,440 --> 01:21:02,159
lowest opening elevations be required
for all lots adjacent to a storm water

1101
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:08,000
management basin drainage easement flood
plane natural overland flow or natural

1102
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:14,480
depression area. Um the storm storm
water designer engineer professional

1103
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:20,000
shall determine or approve a minimum
lowest opening elevation.

1104
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:26,239
B would require that would be the plat
requirement. The final plat or certified

1105
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:30,159
survey map shall explicitly display the
required

1106
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:35,440
minimum lowest opening elevation for
each applicable lot.

1107
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:40,480
Lots subject to this restriction shall
be clearly identified on the face of the

1108
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:46,640
plat with a visual graphic indicator
such as a circle lot number and

1109
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:51,679
accompanied by a mandatory restrictive
covenant note and then C for compliance.

1110
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:57,520
No building permits shall be issued for
a structure on a identified lot unless

1111
01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:02,480
the building plans demonstrate that all
structural openings including first

1112
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:08,960
floor sills, basement lookout windows,
and egress openings are designed at or

1113
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:13,520
above the designed minimum lowest
opening elevation.

1114
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:17,280
If the asbuilt elevation is in question,
the building inspector may request

1115
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:23,120
certification from a registered land
surveyor and or professional engineer

1116
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:27,639
prior to issuance of the occupancy
permit. Thank you.

1117
01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:35,280
» All right. Are there questions for
zoning administrator Dunks

1118
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:39,440
» on this particular item?
>> Could you cl I'm just not sure I

1119
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:44,480
understood one thing. It says if Could
you clarify what the asbuilt elevation

1120
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:47,199
is derived from? Is that you go there
and you is it after it's been built or

1121
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,920
something? You go there.
>> The asbuilt is after it's been built.

1122
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,960
» So you go there and you measure it and
say, "Hey, you guys were below." All

1123
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:55,199
right. [snorts]
>> If you know

1124
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:58,520
» I got you. I [clears throat] understand
now. That's

1125
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:08,960
» okay. This is a this is also a public
hearing. So, is there anyone in the

1126
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:13,679
audience who wishes to come forward and
speak to this item?

1127
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:18,719
Anyone in the audience who wishes to
come forward and speak to this item?

1128
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:25,920
Is there anyone who wishes to come
forward and speak to this item?

1129
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:29,199
All right. Hearing none.
Uh, are there any further questions on

1130
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:32,719
this or is there a motion?
>> I'll make a motion to approve ordinance

1131
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:37,760
number 2026
creating chapter 17.05 58 storm water

1132
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:42,800
management and drainage protections
requiring minimum lowest opening

1133
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:49,280
elevations on flats or certified survey
maps to inform property owners and

1134
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:52,639
builders of a risk that they can.
>> Thank you. We have a motion on the floor

1135
01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:59,120
from Trusty Romis that has been seconded
by Trustee McKrey for the approval of

1136
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:03,679
this item um as stated and act on
ordinance 2026-06

1137
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:07,679
to amend chapter 17 of the subdivision
code. That motion has been made and

1138
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:10,239
seconded for approval. Could we have a
roll call vote please?

1139
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,920
» Absolutely.
>> Trusty McKrey

1140
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,360
» I.
>> Trusty Rome.

1141
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,960
» Hi.
>> Trustee Stevens.

1142
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,400
» Hi.
>> Trustee Andrews.

1143
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,840
» Hi.
>> Trusty Eckert.

1144
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:22,480
» Hi.
>> President Benzam. I

1145
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:29,120
» motion carries six to zero. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Okay. Item number nine this

1146
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:34,320
evening is um uh convene into close
session per Wisconsin statute 19.85

1147
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:38,000
parent one parent E deliberating or
negotiating the purchasing of public

1148
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:42,719
properties the investing of public funds
or conducting other un other specified

1149
01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:47,199
public business whenever competitive or
bargaining reasons require a closed

1150
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:51,679
session in this case union bargaining.
We will also be addressing item B which

1151
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:55,760
is per Wisconsin state statute 19.85
parent one parent C considering

1152
01:24:53,840 --> 01:25:00,080
employment promotion compensation or
performance evaluation data of a public

1153
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:04,880
employee over which the governmental
body has jurisdiction or exercises

1154
01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:08,719
responsibility. This in this case is the
annual village administrator performance

1155
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:13,040
review. Is there a motion to move into
con to convene into close session?

1156
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:17,120
» Some moved.
>> Trusty Romis has offered a motion to

1157
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:20,600
move into close session. I will offer a
second on that.

1158
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:27,280
Um, all those in favor of moving into
Well, we need to roll call. Sorry.

1159
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,880
» Trustee Stevens,
>> I.

1160
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,159
» Trusty Andrews,
>> I.

1161
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,760
» Trusty Eert.
>> Hi.

1162
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,280
» Trusty McKree.
>> I.

1163
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,639
» Trusty Rome.
>> Hi.

1164
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:36,880
» President Venzo.
>> Hi.

1165
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:40,120
» Motion carries six to zero.
>> Thank you.