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All right, welcome. This is the Sugar House Park Authority Board meeting on Thursday, August 13th, 2026. I'm Roxie Christianson, the president currently for the roll call. We have Siv here, Shahan, Eric, Max, and Richard and Chris. I think is here for Patrick.

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I believe Patrick is jumping on as well. Okay, great.

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Okay, so first agenda item is kind of up to 15 minutes for public comment.

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So if anyone here is wanting to share general feedback for the park authority, this is

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not about your special event application, this is just for public in general.

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And we start with that and then right after that, if you're here for a special event, we're going to get to the review of the special events.

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So we'll give it a couple minutes in case anyone is here for that and then if not, we'll move right into the special events portion.

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You got to use match and

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max for the special events for you wanting to share still or.

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Sure, screen. I'll look at the request packet. You mean? Yeah. Yeah, I can do that.

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Okay. Yeah. If you want to get them ready.

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Yep. I got them all.

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All right. I see Patrick is here and Jackie just for the roll call.

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We have eight

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of the nine.

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So, we will move into the special event portion.

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We have two who should have a representative here and then three others that are just

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previous

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returning special event organizers.

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But Max, you want to take us through those?

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Yeah.

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Please forgive the baby noise in the background.

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So I think first on the list is holiday YSA 5K. Do we have a representative who wants to talk about it?

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No.

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Is Kai here?

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Diane, were they planning to come?

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I didn't sure that they were not going to attend. I don't know. Maybe we can try to circle back to them. Maybe they're just a little late.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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We could go to the next one.

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Yeah, okay.

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is that the Westminster University Athletics?

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Do we have somebody here who wants to talk about it from Grant?

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Yeah, I'm here.

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My name's Janelle Branch. I'm the head cross-in-track coach at Westminster.

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So I can talk about it.

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Yeah, go ahead. Just going to give us an overview of what you want.

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I'm sorry. I don't want my stuff figured out here and just give us.

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Tell us what you want to do with the events.

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Sure, so basically we're laughing at this event in conjunction with the University of Utah,

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where I had worked previously before Westminster.

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This year, the coach and I decided to each do one, so you'll be probably receiving their

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application for the next month board meeting to review basically the same thing.

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But it's basically just a local, like, this isn't going to be a huge event.

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But it's just essentially all the schools in the area have a lot of people they don't

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like to travel very far, figuring out their teams and stuff.

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So we're expecting probably about 100 to max.

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I don't think we're, I think it's probably going to be about 100 or less maximum, maximum

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like 110 athletes running per race.

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I really don't think we're going to get even there.

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We're not trying to market.

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This is a huge event.

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We're just trying to give our local athletes an opportunity to run and it happens to just

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also be the day before D1 has to set their roster numbers. So that's what this is really about.

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It's really a chance to be a low key meet. Coaches really like low key meets at the beginning of

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the season. So we're hosting this and that. I sent the maps for the men's and women's courses.

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We're not crossing any roads. We had originally had one that crossed a driveway that was left over

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from last year, but now that the construction's done, we've actually just revamped it to have a

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little slightly different loop and we don't actually have to cross any roads or anything

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with this race. We will cross the river at the bridge and actually fewer than fewer times than we

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did last year. So I guess it evens out to be about the same but a slightly different route than we

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had last year. So yeah that's pretty much our plan. I don't know what other questions to talk about.

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So yeah, any questions?

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Diane, do you have the maps you could forward? We only have the

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application portion.

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And you said races? So do you have a

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app? It's just a little bit more. So women will go first and then the men.

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Okay, so just two races though. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Honestly, I'd run them together, but the MCW

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But yeah, the first race will go off at 10 a.m. and then the second race rate around 1045 will be in and out of there by noon.

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I think last year the clean up went way faster than I even thought it would so yeah.

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And you're not you're not you're not requesting to close the park so you're aware that cars will be in and out other people will be in and out as well and that's okay.

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That's fine. Yeah, we didn't have any problem with it last year and we're not crossing any roads, so it won't affect the rise or anything.

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So, Janelle, for the, it says 800 people. Was that before you in the University of Utah?

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Did it slide on two events or?

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No, very honestly, it's because at Westminster, we got a new games guy, his name's Grant,

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and he is from the Midwest where cross-country races are huge. I have since talked him down to make

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can realize exactly what this event is for.

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I think it'll be, and it's on now with Thursday

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instead of Friday, like it was last year.

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So I don't think we'll have too many spectators.

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I think overall 300 is a much,

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I think that's almost a little like a kind of high bar actually,

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but it won't be more than that.

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And you have Bigfield is the pavilion you'll base out of

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and it's September 10th, is that correct?

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Yeah, correct. Bigfield's the one that you just built last year, correct? Yeah, in the center. Yeah, yeah,

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in the morning of September 10th.

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Um, and then kind of one of the main roles we ask people to comply with is no, no staking of any kind into the into the grass.

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So if you have any big, you know, blow up race start or race end things, just, just keep them weighted or.

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Um, or just so we don't, so no staking.

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So we protect the irrigation system.

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Can we do like the, so in the past and when you tell her on this, we did for

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marking because we can't do lines.

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We've done the little, um, utility, those little tiny flags.

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Is that okay?

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Or, oh, yeah, sure, no big stakes going down in the ground.

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Yeah, no, yeah, no, like large stakes.

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I need to be hammered in.

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But, oh, yeah.

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Okay, if someone can damage a sprinkle line with a tiny little wire,

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more power to them. There's problems with the sprinkler line.

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Okay. Yeah, no, no problem.

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And I also know no vending of any kind, no selling anything at the meeting. Okay.

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Are there any other other questions about the event from board or nobody else?

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And can we get a motion to approve then?

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I knew if you're approved. Richard Moshe.

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Jackie motions. Richard seconds. We'll take it.

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Oh, in favor.

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Say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Cool.

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Proved.

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Great.

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Thank you guys.

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I appreciate that.

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Of course.

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Thank you.

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Do we have anybody here from the holiday YSA ward?

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Still now.

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High email that he was traveling trouble getting on and was going to change devices.

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Okay.

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I mean, I guess before we can give him a couple of minutes, the other three events.

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It looks like our repeats. They've been held for more than 30 years.

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SLC, SLC County, Corporate Games 5K, U of U, Anesthesiology, Event, Girls on the Run, Spring 27.

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So, did anybody, we just, I guess we don't do approval.

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So,

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well we do, we, we do it.

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You hear me? This is from the holiday of YSA State. Oh, hi, yeah, welcome, Ty.

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I want you to go ahead and give us the spiel on your event.

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Right there. I apologize. I'm glad I was having trouble logging on.

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So yeah, to give you a quick summary, I'll be brief,

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a group of YSAs from the local stake, or hoping the whole of five can October 10.

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We have three different wards, one from Sugar House, one from Highland Park, Gary and one from East Mill Creek that will be joining, planning to start around 8 a.m.

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We anticipate having about 250 participants and will be wrapped up by 11 a.m.

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I believe that we requested just to close the portion of the road right by the big field to fill in as we're going to plan to set up a timing line.

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start and finish line for our 5k. The rest of the road will remain open for the

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for car traffic and any other orders of the park. Okay, so the main loop road will

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be open by just the spoke road. Correct. Yeah, just requesting this

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spoke road to be closed so we can set up our start and finish time and keep car

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traffic away from runners. Yeah.

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And is your route crossing any roads? No, we're

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We're just going to be doing two laps of the park in the pedestrian lane, so won't

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be crossing your roads, won't be interfering with any traffic.

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Yeah, I said from that.

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I think that's it after the 5K. We'll be setting up some lawn games in the big field and having

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just a small and get together.

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But I think those are the items.

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Do you have any questions or any other details I can provide?

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No, I think the two biggest things we ask to be able to comply with is no staking of any

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So if you have like like big whatever banners or something for the race, certain end that they just need to be weighted down instead of staked.

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You agree to that.

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Yeah, that shouldn't be an issue. I don't think we'll have any banners so we can definitely agree to that.

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Yeah, and then no, no vending or selling stuff of any kind for the event.

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Yeah, and we can agree to that we won't be selling or vending anything.

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Cool.

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Are there any other questions from the board on this event?

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Then can we get a motion to approve?

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Richard motions to approve.

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I'll second.

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Second.

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Okay, how in favor say aye or raise your hand.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Thank you, Kai.

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And just for the verbal record that was civ, who did a second?

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Oh, sorry, yes, it did a second command.

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Okay.

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Thanks.

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Thank you so much.

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Really appreciate your time.

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Have a good event.

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Yep.

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Yeah, so sorry.

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So back to the three other events that have already been going on for three years.

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Oh, sorry.

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So excuse me.

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So they don't have to appear before the authority, but we still approve their event.

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Is that right?

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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quick.

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Okay.

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Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

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Now go ahead, Max. Oh, I was just going to say the department of anesthesiology, they're just doing it. I get together. I was wondering if there's another race, but get together. Finding wall, plus some inflatables. Fifth year, I assume they're, they're good tenants. They can, they know what to do. So.

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And then the girls on the run.

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Third to eighth grade race, 5K race. Are there any questions about any of these three events? The girls on the run.

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on U of U NSesiology or Salt Lake County corporate gains.

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Not gonna get a motion to approve the three.

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A motion to approve.

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Thank you, Siv, is there a second?

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That's like it, Jackie.

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Jackie, thanks.

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Okay, all in favor, say aye.

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Aye.

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Cool.

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I think that ends the event section of our meeting.

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And I before you go, oh Patrick has his hand raised. Go ahead Patrick.

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Sorry, that was my vote in favor. Everyone take it down.

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I'm very cool. I was wondering if Troy Davis had communicated with you if he was planning to be here. I kept him on from last month's meeting.

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I mean, or I guess the wise meeting, but I never heard anything from him.

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I have not had any correspondence with him since he went for the board in months before

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last year.

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Yeah.

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So, unfortunately no, I can reach out to him so he would like to get on the agenda for September.

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Unless Dale, are you here for that?

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You raised your hand?

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I don't know.

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No, I'm not a special event, but I submitted my stuff a little late for you guys to all

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be aware of the document.

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I had reached out in July, but I didn't send the proper documents very recently, so you

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guys may not have that right now, but it's something I want to talk about for September

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22nd.

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So his event would be an application only.

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I just haven't received the application yet to put them on the agenda.

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Right, so it's a great case that it's just very recent that in a sense you should have in your

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inbox now if you if you check but um

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so because Dale um this is a open public meeting we do

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post the agenda have to post the agenda 24 hours before and if it's not on there

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we don't vote on it. Being September, we can still see you then in our September meeting.

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I'm sure, I mean, what kind of event? It's always the second, third day.

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So it'd be September 10th.

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But again, he wouldn't be required to attend because the Challenger School has done their events

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more than three years.

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Oh, okay.

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Is there anything different this year, Dale, from previous years?

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No, well, I know that we've just shifted down to Sugar Bee Vivalience.

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So the location is a bit different, but it's in the field, the Southeast field.

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But the, yeah, it's the same event we do every year.

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Okay.

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So I guess, die is the date available?

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Was it just waiting for the application?

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but the dates and the pavilions available?

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I would have to check our email correspondence,

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but I do believe the date was available.

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I was just waiting for the application to put them on the agenda.

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Is that correct, Dale?

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Sorry.

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I have so many events.

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That's right.

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No, you're right.

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And I sent it late.

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So we're looking at September 22nd.

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I just looked up if your online base is current,

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and it shows as available between 4 and 10

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that evening. We're looking to do a 6 to 8 p.m. event, which looks like it's available.

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Okay, I'll get it blocked and then I will bring it before the board is an application only for

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next month. Is that work for everyone? Yes, that works and then, Dale, I think you plan on it because

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you've done it before. It was like those last three we did. You're coming back. There's been no

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issues previously, the date's available. We can approve it on the 10th, but I think you can move

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forward with that date knowing that we're not going to deny you in September. It's just a

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formalities. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for being here.

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And then,

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if you hear from Troy, or yeah, if you want to have him reach out to me or something,

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If he wants to come back, if he would like to move forward and then I will let you all

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know.

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Okay.

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Thanks.

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So agenda item two would have been if, again, Troy Davis, he presented in June on that

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mountain bike proposal.

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Again, we haven't heard an update on that, so we'll see if he has anything for September.

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I don't remember three on the agenda is the Zap Recreation Bond and we also have this

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under the county updates Patrick but I don't know if you or someone else from the county

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is here to update the board.

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I can give you a brief update, the bond itself is not part of the parcel of my daily job.

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So as you know, the county mayor and the county council are moving forward with a bond proposal on the November ballot for the electorate to weigh in on the recreation bond right now.

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So it's a, I believe, to be $100 million bond with the number of different projects

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for the electorate to vote on.

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So the budget was broken into three tranches, the tranche, maybe not the right word, but

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three areas, capital maintenance for our recreation facilities and parks, finish what we started,

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meaning there are a lot of parks that we started building many years ago and we just have never

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finished the next pieces to them or ever finished them at all. And the third area was for new

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applications from eligible parties. And so that bond will be moving forward to the ballot in November

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and the voters will get to decide whether or not they're in favor of the county borrowing money

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to pay for these projects. As you know, because Roxy's kept you informed, the part of authority

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put in an application for a project and was deemed ineligible. And I apologize, I don't have any

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information as to that piece of it, because that is sort of not in an area where I work with.

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I don't know if Chris can speak to it more, but I don't know that we have the information tonight

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to talk about that piece of it.

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Thanks, Patrick. Yeah, I'm not that pretty much sums it up. It's

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there will be some additional movement on it next Tuesday, I believe, as well.

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some changes that they're going to try to make were anticipating we feel like it'll likely be successful.

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So we're hopeful that that moves forward on the Sugar House Park Authority eligibility piece.

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The lawyers are looking at that now and there's a conversation going on to understand a little bit more.

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kind of what happened, when did the the trust split, who owns what, what Salt Lake

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City's role, what's the county's role in the ownership? But I mean, if anything, it

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was kind of fortunate that we found this out when the attorneys went to review the

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applications to say, oh wait, technically Sugar House Park is not eligible. And you know

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like you, we were surprised. We were like, well what do you mean they're not eligible?

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like we work with this with the county and the city works on this part of it. We've been doing

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this for years but it was really the district attorney's office that identified the problem

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and we are, you know, now examining what a chair could look like for that.

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Yes, Richard.

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As

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much as I'd like to discuss that, a few guys don't have more information. I don't know how much

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it's worth discussing, I will say, this is the second time where we were told to expend

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lots of effort in preparing and submitting applications the first time for track when

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we were denied.

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Well, just because you prepare an application doesn't necessarily mean you're successful, right?

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I understand that.

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I've done millions of dollars of grants.

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I understand that. The point is, I will say, when the county

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corporate games came to us two years ago, I said, oh, we should give them free.

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Don't charge them event because they're part of the county. The counties are

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partner blah blah blah. I didn't do that this year because I don't feel like even if

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work just collateral damage that there's good faith. And my only question, I mean, I'm

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not going to get into that any more than what I just said, is apparently $10 million of

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the recreation bond is unprogrammed. Does that mean there's an opportunity to revisit

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the eligibility or is that just for projects that go over?

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So, that is a buffer that we build in for inflation.

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There's an assumption that a project we try to build tomorrow

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will cost more 10 years in the future.

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So we build that into the bond.

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And then the bond.

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The bond, yeah.

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And then the bond does not,

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you know, they are authorized to bond up to an amount.

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It doesn't mean that they necessarily have to.

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With regard to the good faith effort, I do apologize for the effort that was put in,

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and if you were encouraged to apply for the current rec bond, and then we weren't able to

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honor that application, I want to be really clear. This was not Parks and Rec's idea.

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This was not the county's idea. This was something that got caught by the district attorney,

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And when it did, I was like, that doesn't seem right.

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Like, I agree that there's something not quite right with this, and we are trying to

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better understand what happened.

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I'm assuming there's going to be some legal remedy to be able to fix this in the future.

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But I will also say, for the purposes of the bond, it was a pretty competitive process.

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There were a lot of applicants that got in there, and there was a really limited amount

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of money that we were able to distribute.

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you. So if you look at where the projects went, we are, we have the whole county to try

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to put funding out to and, you know, Sugar House Park is one of 42 regional parks.

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All right. I will nothing one more quick comment. And that's just CS, the community services

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department, not your department. Well, I'm under committed in services. So yeah, I kind of

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is important. Okay. Okay. Did everybody a disservice by telescoping what had previously been an

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eight month application and review development and review process into one month? So I thought we

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submitted a strong application. There's no question it would have been much stronger with seven

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in more months worth of effort.

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So, yeah, following this, same.

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And Jackie raised her hand.

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I just wanted to clarify first, Jackie, Chris,

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I appreciate you being here

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to answer some of our questions.

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And when Richard mentioned that we submitted for track,

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we understand the competitive process

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and all the different communities

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and the region that you serve.

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And that process, what issue we've run into on both of these instances is that we don't even get into that creative

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prop like that analysis portion with track.

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The same issue came up where, sorry, you're disqualified from the beginning because our money for operation and maintenance of the park comes from track.

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So they said, oh no, you're already getting money, therefore you're just qualified from getting

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money for projects, capital projects. So what I'd love is not to be solved in this meeting,

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but just to continue the conversation with you is kind of the timeline.

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Like, you know, with this determination, not letting it run too long, right? Because we can't just keep waiting for this decision from attorneys on that. And then making the plan so we know where efforts are best positioned. So, um,

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but for me personally the issue has been that we originally we were told we

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were told about Zap years ago we've had discussions again and again with

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the county we've had regular presentations we've met with them we were told oh

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the county will submit on your behalf and then we're told no the county won't

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submit on your behalf you have to submit on your own then we adjust we submit on

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our own and then we're found a lot ineligible after this time and the same

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Like Roxie said, the same issue with track is we were told to submit to track and then we did

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submit to track and then oh after the fact after you've gone through and submitted and gone through

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this whole process, you're ineligible even to be considered by the committee. And the rationale for

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ineligible ability for track in my view directly competes with the rationale for ineligible ability

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for zap. And so the reasons we've been given are not the same and they seem to change. And so I know

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that that's not your responsibility, but as a representative of the county, that is the frustration

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I would like to pass along. I'm very sympathetic to that and I do want to apologize on any confusion

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that we put out. I am less familiar with the track application process. I know that a percentage

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of all track funds do go to parks and recreation to help pay for ongoing maintenance and I'm sure

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that inadvertently one way or another that it has gone to help support projects at Shudderhouse Park.

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I know that we have our normal annual capital projects that we go in and submit for and I've been

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told that the Shudderhouse Park has been pretty successful over the years and being able to get money

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in that process when we have the match coming in from Salt Lake City. But again, I do apologize,

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Jackie thank you and we haven't met but it's nice to meet you all and happy to discuss that more

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I was not aware that it was a conflicting message on the zap versus the track but honestly I was

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as surprised as as you guys for with the with the zap application rejection that just categorically did

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not make sense to me. However I will say I would be surprised if you would have been successful it

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It was, it was a lot of good projects were not successful because of the limited bucket

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of money we had.

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So, not to say that that's any comfort, but I do think that we will get the lawyers

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to come together and come up with a plan to address this.

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I say the lawyers.

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Jackie, I think you're a lawyer.

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So it's not like the lawyers, but the-

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I'm not the part's lawyer on this.

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I got it, got it, got it.

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But our representatives from the district attorney's office are working with representatives

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from Salt Lake City to really unpackage kind of what happened when and how we fix it.

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Just to follow up, I do understand the legal reasoning that district attorney's office

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made and it might call for a new structure in general for the park.

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Patrick years ago mentioned how the sugar house park relationship was created before

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the present laws on intergovernmental and related agencies.

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So we understand the point though I'm going to reiterate about track is the person who

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told us to apply in our November 2023 meeting was Martin Jensen. So if we're

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getting this recommendation from the park leader at the time and then we're

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told you need to also understand the track relationship. As far as I'm

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concerned the county uses track to match their obligations with the city or

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capital improvements. That's between the county and the city.

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We're facilitators

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so to speak but that's your legal obligation. We're saying that legal

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obligation in how the county chooses to fund our

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corporations, not our park. I mean, for the entire

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park system, that's not our issue. You could use

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general fund monies, you could use whatever monies, you

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choose to use trap. That's fine. As a theoretically, legal

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intergovernmental entity, if we ever get this straightened

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out, we argue we should still be able to apply independently of the county's choice of

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how it funds parks and independently of its choice of how it funds, capital improvement,

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obligations, it co holds with the city.

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That's my piece.

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There are tricky intricate issues.

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I'm just going to add one thing to this that has nothing to do with funding, but it's important about safety and effectiveness.

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There's still confusion whether Sugar House Park falls outside the city.

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Salt Lake City is jurisdiction of enforcement matters.

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And this is something that I had brought up a year ago with Sarah Young.

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Where do we live? And they're like, oh, I don't know, you're counting your city. The city doesn't, doesn't, you know, when I talk to our liaison with the city police department, they're like, well, park is outside the city jurisdiction.

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Yeah, that's not accurate. I don't think I don't think I don't think so either, but there's that he has an obligation.

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So while you're fixing this, this little part of understanding who we are and what we're about and who has the enforcement jurisdiction.

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action. I would lie for that to be addressed to because there is still confusion.

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What are this about? Yeah, so as an incident happens and you call the police,

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Salt Lake City PD is going to come, or they should come. I don't, you know,

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how many sheriff is a different role? I would not imagine that they would. So,

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Salt Lake City said that it's not in their jurisdiction. So, so to be clear, it's in

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their jurisdiction. If there's a fire in the park, the fire department shows up,

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There's a crime in the park, the police department shows up.

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The issue is not on the criminal or emergency response.

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The issue is on the civil enforcement of civil rules.

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And the reason for that, and I'll let Kim speak to this.

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As I understand it, is that the park is incorporated as a non-profit organization.

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It's not incorporated as a public facility, and that's the distinction.

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Even though we know it's incorporated for the purpose of a public facility, the distinction is a legal one.

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And so when they look it up in the city recorder side, it says that's not a city property.

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And that's not a county property.

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It's a property held by a private entity.

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So Kim, am I getting that close to right?

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Absolutely, thanks for clarifying that, Patrick.

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And I think that's something that we could take and have our attorneys do a deeper dive and really kind of formalize that.

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that. So everybody has clarity on it as well.

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And or if we can change it to the point you're trying to get to, can we have.

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Like they enforce in Liberty Park, I mean that, you know, that kind of.

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So yeah.

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It was something really trivial like we wanted a speed trailer to be put in.

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And Cindy came and goes, oh, this is a counting thing.

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We don't use our speed trailers.

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I'm like, okay, you know, just to understand what the traffic flow and speeds are, little

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things like that that we just get caught up, we like to have that result, yeah.

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And this is a very much a collaborative solution.

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00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:19,640
I think while we're solving this landowner relationship coordination with the three entities,

450
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:28,500
I think it goes down to even all of these little details where, again, reporting things

451
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:33,340
through my SLC app, they say, oh, well, this is the county, we'll let the county know,

452
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,320
even if it's a city responsibility.

453
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:43,960
So this does trickle down everywhere in the management, but maybe this comes down to a legal

454
00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:49,920
realignment that solves this or not, and I will just throw it out there. I don't know

455
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:57,020
what anyone's thinking if it makes sense to still be a try ownership or if one or

456
00:39:57,020 --> 00:40:03,040
either entity wants to take it. Or, you know, it's been 69 years, and maybe things

457
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,320
need a change, so I'll just throw that out there. I don't know what this means, but

458
00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:10,820
thank you for bringing that out. Go ahead.

459
00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:22,260
Yeah, I mean, I think that that is sort of an issue that we're sort of asking some questions about, you know, we have relationships with South Jordan at Bingham Creek. It's kind of an interesting arrangement similar to Sugar House Park.

460
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:36,720
They try or Sugar House Park Authority and they've tried to run it that way and I think they've sort of have indicated that maybe it would make more sense to just have an interlocal agreement between Salt Lake County and South Jordan.

461
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,280
and I think that there's probably an opportunity

462
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,020
to do that with Salt Lake City as well.

463
00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:44,120
I did have the opportunity to listen

464
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,320
into your last board meeting,

465
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,520
and there was a lot of discussion

466
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,280
about the number of lawsuits you guys have been involved in

467
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,200
and things like that.

468
00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:53,920
And, you know, is that,

469
00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:55,720
I think Roxy asked the question,

470
00:40:55,860 --> 00:40:59,880
whose attorneys are gonna pay for our attorneys

471
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:00,740
the city or the county,

472
00:41:00,980 --> 00:41:02,640
and we're all kind of looking at each other,

473
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,820
like I don't think it's either of us.

474
00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:09,460
So there was some question on that as well, um, but but now I appreciate you bringing that up.

475
00:41:10,380 --> 00:41:33,160
So just one, well, two more points. Just, um, along the lines of what Raxi said about alignment and I think alignment's a good word on another form as a conservancy, which is something I've thought about and I've talked about, but getting back to track for one moment.

476
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:56,720
We need a determination because if we're planning on applying in March in order to have a strong application that can compete with everybody else, starting the process in February won't work for us, we need to start that process in the fall.

477
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:03,180
So we need that determination and how do we go about getting it?

478
00:42:05,850 --> 00:42:11,410
So I would say that coming up with that legal cure is in process currently.

479
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:17,150
I would expect we would have something that's different from Trent.

480
00:42:17,830 --> 00:42:22,930
Well, I think they Richard need that legal determination possibly to help decide.

481
00:42:24,970 --> 00:42:29,590
Yeah, I think it's more complicated than

482
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:35,920
we're getting into right now, but I think it's

483
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,680
very complicated situation we're in, and I think that does need to be decided.

484
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:48,000
I think on the other side, Chris, I guess, you know, maybe you can't know right now until

485
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:55,420
that determination, but would be, you know, I guess talking through the financial side

486
00:42:55,420 --> 00:43:02,300
and saying, you know, does the, it didn't seem like our legal status was the reason we

487
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:06,880
couldn't get track, but just that we're already pulling, they use the term like two bites

488
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:13,880
from the same apple. And as Richard said, well, we didn't just decide where you pull your

489
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,920
operations money from it just happens to be track and so should that penalize us from getting

490
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:26,320
capital money from it um and I think that's maybe a different conversation I don't know that

491
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:33,400
our legal standing has to do with that but could we still be considered for that and you know

492
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,200
I'm trying to do it okay because I agree I don't I don't know the track I don't know the

493
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:46,900
Nexus between where Sugar House Park Authority is able to draw from track or how outside of the

494
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:50,560
normal operations and maintenance that we put into all the parks including Sugar House Park,

495
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:55,640
I don't know exactly where that lands, but I will add that to the list to have our attorneys look

496
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,300
at. So thank you for bringing that to our attention. Yeah, thank you.

497
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:08,210
Yes, and I think the legal

498
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:14,930
will help us, hopefully, with federal and state grants that will open up that door, but

499
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:19,730
I think right now we're kind of at this standstill because we've tried every avenue.

500
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:27,410
Capital is kind of the only thing available currently, but we know that that is stressed

501
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:29,250
with how much need there is.

502
00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:36,310
So we're happy to continue to look elsewhere for funds and different buckets of money,

503
00:44:36,310 --> 00:44:45,910
but I appreciate everyone working on spending time to figure this current situation out.

504
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:55,460
Anything else related to that funding or overall?

505
00:44:59,330 --> 00:44:59,590
Okay.

506
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:31,880
We do have a county update section. I don't know, Chris, if you want, we're saying for the whole time, or if we wanted to get kind of other county updates now and we can. Yeah, happy to address that. Patrick, and I spoke a little bit about the situation going on at Sugar House Park with the duck pond. And I think we have our team has been managing that and trying to come up with solution.

507
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,840
this week, I think we've copied, I believe, the Salt Lake Public Lands and

508
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:46,180
Sugar House Park Authority representatives and probably some of the folks on this call were part of that email chain that we've put out there.

509
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:53,280
That same memo was kind of put out to our county council today to let them know what we're doing because they're getting calls about this as well.

510
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:04,320
As we indicated in the memo, we are going to attempt to drain the pond as much as possible.

511
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:19,440
We are having some higher capacity pumps brought in tomorrow to pump water from the low area near the culvert into the creek.

512
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:29,940
We have spoken with public, Salt Lake Public Utilities and our partners in flood control

513
00:46:29,940 --> 00:46:33,960
and everyone seems okay with that plan so far.

514
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:37,540
Our hope is that this is just going to be a temporary thing.

515
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:43,640
Six, eight weeks until hopefully the weather cools a little bit and normalizes

516
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:51,520
and then we'll close the culvert again and then fill the pond back up. But we have

517
00:46:52,540 --> 00:46:58,800
animal control on the county side coming in and doing sweeps every morning to pick up any

518
00:46:59,420 --> 00:47:05,440
carcasses. We're getting some better equipment for our staff to be able to get it some of the

519
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:11,380
the dead waterfall in kind of the center.

520
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:15,400
So we are actively working to try to address it.

521
00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:18,080
We, you know, this is kind of an unfortunate situation

522
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,440
with the drought, but we also completely understand

523
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,720
and respect Salt Lake City public utilities

524
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,840
and their desire to, you know,

525
00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:29,000
hold back as much water as possible.

526
00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:31,160
I think everyone we've spoken to

527
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:38,440
kind of is predicting that this year will be tough, but that next year might be worse.

528
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:44,340
And so there's a little bit of a reluctance to let any more out than we have to.

529
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:51,840
So we'll see what happens. We're monitoring it daily. And I feel like we've come up with a solution

530
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,600
that should mitigate some of the problems that we've been seeing the past few weeks.

531
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,580
Thank

532
00:47:59,590 --> 00:48:16,830
you. Yeah, I was going to I don't think most people have seen that update, but I appreciate you sharing those. I am wondering, again, people got lots of comments and feedback about this.

533
00:48:17,090 --> 00:48:24,050
And so I appreciate you guys doing further steps to mitigate and assist with that.

534
00:48:26,290 --> 00:48:34,070
I'm interested, again, this is just the start of the conversation, knowing water needs

535
00:48:34,070 --> 00:48:38,610
and drought being more and more likely.

536
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:47,750
We heard from flood control that the pond itself, what we see as the pond, isn't necessarily

537
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:53,070
really required as is for the retention necessary for flood control.

538
00:48:54,230 --> 00:49:02,130
And I'm wondering if either entity, county, city, your, your code departments are think

539
00:49:02,130 --> 00:49:08,310
that we should change how it is so that it can fluctuate with the drought and we don't

540
00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:14,990
have these issues and it doesn't make sense because the conversation is happening and the

541
00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:21,690
conversation. I'll just give you a brief breakdown of what we discussed today with flood control.

542
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:32,090
So, the pond itself does not serve any water quality. There's no improvement. There's

543
00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:37,050
no recreational use. There's no, it doesn't do anything for drinking water. You can't swim

544
00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:42,950
in it. There's all the reasons that we want to have bodies of water that this particular

545
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:47,670
basin does not really serve. We're essentially holding back water that could be going to the

546
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:53,210
great salt lake and we are allowing that to evaporate. So there's probably some things

547
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:56,350
in that we shouldn't be doing anyways and as we understand, you know, we're likely

548
00:49:56,350 --> 00:50:01,730
to see more droughts, this will be a perennial problem that we have to deal with.

549
00:50:02,350 --> 00:50:09,110
The suggestion for a solution was a commitment from the federal government to put a billion

550
00:50:09,110 --> 00:50:15,690
dollars into restoring the great salt like our flood control folks believe that the salt

551
00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:23,210
I'm sorry the sugar house park pond would be an eligible candidate to be reformed into the

552
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:28,350
natural creek kind of just reconnecting Parley's and letting the water pass through without holding it

553
00:50:28,350 --> 00:50:35,290
in that retention basin there. So although this is you know years away probably and we don't know

554
00:50:35,290 --> 00:50:40,950
all the details. This is a conversation we're having, and I think we would be, see that as a favorable

555
00:50:43,310 --> 00:50:48,590
outcome. I don't know what everybody else thinks about. I was there today, and I'm like,

556
00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:52,570
that's going to be a lot of concrete around the edges. We're going to have to take out. This has been

557
00:50:52,570 --> 00:51:00,050
upon for a long time. This is really the best way to do it, and I think we'd have to look at some

558
00:51:00,050 --> 00:51:07,610
design ideas. We probably need to get a handful of contractors in there to bid out some concepts,

559
00:51:07,610 --> 00:51:13,650
but I'm a big fan of trying to restore it to its natural flow as much as we can.

560
00:51:14,730 --> 00:51:19,750
So we will be looking at our friends in flood control to let us know when that funding

561
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:24,430
becomes available and how best we can try to take advantage of it. And of course,

562
00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:31,150
we would involve, you know, the park authority and its board in any selection of any project

563
00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:34,310
that we could potentially do, but hopefully it could be something that could be paid

564
00:51:34,310 --> 00:51:38,170
for by the federal government, which we would like to see.

565
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:46,960
In Roxy, I think you took the laboring or with the University of Utah last year, or maybe

566
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:52,480
a year and a half ago, to have those masters students do some concept around those ideas

567
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,120
is to your restoration of the creek anyway.

568
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:55,520
So

569
00:51:57,860 --> 00:52:01,780
for clarification, there's a detention on,

570
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:03,040
not only detention, correct?

571
00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:06,360
Patrick, as you have educated us,

572
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,040
it's a detention, not a retention.

573
00:52:08,620 --> 00:52:09,840
Detention, not retention.

574
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,000
Did I get that wrong, Patrick?

575
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,380
Yeah, I think you did.

576
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,720
I've already forgotten the definition, but I think

577
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,900
the transition is to permanently hold water

578
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:24,140
in detention, I think, temporary.

579
00:52:24,140 --> 00:52:28,640
But yeah, I always forget as well. I don't know. I look at up every spring. It's like control.

580
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:35,140
Detention is a dry pond low-line basin built to temporarily hold stormwater.

581
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:42,980
The only issue Chris and everyone is um

582
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,460
Fortunately or unfortunately

583
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,900
The pond is the second most distinctive cultural landscape feature of the park

584
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:55,580
And

585
00:52:57,820 --> 00:53:00,480
they'll

586
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,880
have to be a massive public engagement process to consider changing it.

587
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:16,680
I mean, I understand the environmental reasons and responding to mega drought conditions.

588
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:26,740
I think we can come out with an outcome that where the creek is there.

589
00:53:26,740 --> 00:53:35,900
it's touchable, it's accessible, the three creeks, confluence park, and salt lake on 900

590
00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:43,160
west. If you haven't been to it, you should. They do a nice job of letting people look

591
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:51,200
at water and sometimes touching it. And they do some creative things like with the way they

592
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:57,900
do plantings to keep people off the banks. They don't want them to be on. And I'm sure there are other

593
00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:06,520
examples in county parks. I'm just not familiar with them, but this is a really sensitive issue

594
00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:16,620
and going forward to change it, to change that feature so significantly will require

595
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:26,900
public engagement on a scale, you're not. We all aren't even. I have never worked with.

596
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:33,240
I've done plenty of public products. This is, that's a big deal. That's all I'm saying.

597
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:41,620
But I'm not going to say that we shouldn't be looking at these kinds of alternatives because like Roxy said,

598
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:45,420
like you said, I could drought is reality.

599
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,920
And we can close our eyes to that reality where

600
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:59,500
we can try and get in front of it. And you've already said there's an opportunity with the alleged

601
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:08,220
federal commitment, the great Salt Lake, where we can address it, without worrying about our legal

602
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:08,820
status.

603
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:19,700
I wonder, too, just for clarity, you know, we understand that the creek is technically not,

604
00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:26,060
you know, Sugar Health Park Authority. That's public utilities and then flood control has

605
00:55:26,060 --> 00:55:33,240
its jurisdiction. I'm interested is the pond even really ours, or is that a flood control,

606
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:43,760
public utilities decision you know like not to say we would stop it but that and I'm not I would be in

607
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:51,680
favor or something but for our clarity and this isn't like about I'm just wondering does anyone

608
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,440
when no is the pond flight control jurisdiction?

609
00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:56,240
Is it ours?

610
00:55:57,540 --> 00:56:00,080
I can't answer that question, Roxy,

611
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,180
other than to answer that there would still need

612
00:56:05,180 --> 00:56:07,920
to be some mechanism to hold water back

613
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:09,900
for public utility purposes,

614
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:14,120
as we all observed back in 2023 when they filled the pond.

615
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,320
So there would have to be that mechanic

616
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:18,920
to serve that purpose.

617
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:24,940
but I don't know, you know, who ownership lives.

618
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,200
I think we have to the legalist as well, Roxy.

619
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,980
I think that would be important.

620
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,240
Yeah, thank you.

621
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,940
So that, yeah, I think that's another area of kind of confusion.

622
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:44,280
And Richard, to your point, I think it wouldn't never be a lake or a pond.

623
00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:48,000
I mean, with high water, this thing would be, right?

624
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,660
but when it is low, it would actually form a natural creek with plants and stuff like that.

625
00:56:53,800 --> 00:57:00,840
So it would adapt with the year we're having. Versus right now, it's dry. It's just empty,

626
00:57:00,940 --> 00:57:08,960
but to have something that does both in the eye. God knows. I mean, there's so much of the history

627
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:17,600
of the park that we don't know because, well, that's where we need a grant to pull together all the

628
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:27,490
records between the city and county, but given that in some past documents, it's referred

629
00:57:27,490 --> 00:57:33,510
to as the Fabian Pond, I think that feature has been there for a long, long time.

630
00:57:34,310 --> 00:57:48,450
I mean, certainly, I don't know if before the 1980s floods, I wasn't here then, if there

631
00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:57,610
contractors are for to figure that stuff out. It's a sensitive issue, but I think the

632
00:57:57,610 --> 00:58:05,010
positioning or such a sensitive issue is we're in mega drought. We have to deal with it.

633
00:58:06,250 --> 00:58:13,230
The health of the Great Salt Lake in part is dependent on it, and I think that's a positioning

634
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:20,350
people can understand and respect even if they lose some of the visual elements of the

635
00:58:20,350 --> 00:58:26,070
par. That's just showing that out there. If I were on the consultant team, that's how

636
00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:27,050
I would lay it out.

637
00:58:30,690 --> 00:58:33,190
Yeah, I think a lot of education about the

638
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:43,410
many benefits. Yeah. So, Christie, let us know, and Kim or whoever's involved, if this

639
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:49,590
This is getting to, you know, yes, we're going to pursue the grant or the, you know, I think

640
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:55,090
I don't know again if you need, if a board vote would be helpful, just that yes, we want

641
00:58:55,090 --> 00:59:01,460
to, you know, pursue this change or not, but yeah,

642
00:59:06,060 --> 00:59:07,380
keep us updated.

643
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,860
I don't know if you want to like do a straw poll in no in general, if the board currently

644
00:59:12,860 --> 00:59:16,620
supports it, but if it's years down the road, it could be completely different, so.

645
00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:17,640
So,

646
00:59:24,010 --> 00:59:27,590
Roxy, do you want me to give you a couple more updates while we're doing county stuff?

647
00:59:28,330 --> 00:59:31,270
Yeah, go ahead.

648
00:59:32,050 --> 00:59:49,370
So, independent of the ownership issue and the track funding and the ZAP application, the only request that we were moving forward for capital funding was for the next pavilion project

649
00:59:49,950 --> 00:59:54,990
because the city had funded that money in their last cycle, and so we were just

650
00:59:54,990 --> 00:59:59,890
trying to match that. Again, you know the lay of the land right now, I don't know

651
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,840
We're going to be successful at all until some of these other underlying issues are resolved. But that's what we're moving forward. We're not moving forward with the water line.

652
01:00:12,940 --> 01:00:17,320
With the request to put some money aside for the water line at this point in time.

653
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:29,180
Oh, and go ahead. Sorry. Can I ask a question or Patrick? So is it money just for the pavilion?

654
01:00:29,180 --> 01:00:35,500
because the city had allocated all the money for all requested projects.

655
01:00:35,740 --> 01:00:39,160
So I just want to make sure that are you matching the amount of city?

656
01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:42,920
No, we're just matching the Pavilion project.

657
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:44,960
Only the Pavilion project.

658
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:45,560
Yep.

659
01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:56,120
You don't happen to have a and take your number.

660
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,880
Do you like where are you guys at at the budgeting for capital process?

661
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:06,140
is it 90% finished, when's it go for approval?

662
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:09,740
I was submitting our budget pretty soon.

663
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,220
We're in that process right now.

664
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:15,480
We're reviewing all capital projects and getting them prioritized.

665
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,540
The bond gets in the way a little bit because if the bond gets approved in November,

666
01:01:20,820 --> 01:01:24,320
then some of the capital projects we've submitted for may

667
01:01:25,780 --> 01:01:30,520
will get funded through that and then it will open up other opportunities

668
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:36,320
of the bond doesn't pass. We'll have to go back and pick the top projects that were prioritized

669
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:43,100
in that process. So it's a little bit of a double submitting from now until November.

670
01:01:46,070 --> 01:01:47,810
Jackie and then Shahat.

671
01:01:50,590 --> 01:01:56,430
Is the county's determination about whether sugar health park counts as

672
01:01:57,270 --> 01:02:02,430
county property eligible for ZAP also going to harm us in the normal funding process?

673
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:16,800
No, part of our capital projects that we're going to put forward are going to be consistent with our sort of long range plan of all the different parks that we need to invest in.

674
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,960
And so we have developed this prioritization schedule to kind of see who gets what win.

675
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:28,100
And so Sugar House Park would compete with everybody else the same.

676
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,060
And then there's a competition, though, as you know, all ready.

677
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:40,960
Can you explain the process then?

678
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:47,120
Because another thing that's difficult on the county side is,

679
01:02:47,140 --> 01:02:52,280
is understand the process things go through and who sees it and then where does it go next?

680
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:53,840
And how is it determined?

681
01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:55,360
So could you talk about that?

682
01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:58,620
Well, that kind of plays into what I'm asking as well.

683
01:02:58,620 --> 01:03:08,980
So, if the city were to approve certain amount of funds of certain projects, and the county

684
01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:15,840
refuses to match, how does that work between the agreement between county and the city?

685
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,920
And how does it work for us?

686
01:03:19,060 --> 01:03:24,080
Do we just send the money back to the city, do the city need to know so that they can read

687
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:32,660
budget? What does that look? So Sean I'll take a stab at that and then let him talk about it.

688
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:41,240
So it goes it depends on which year you are. The end different the county or the city

689
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:47,840
sometimes is ahead and sometimes behind, right? So in some cases when the county is some of the

690
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:55,180
projects of the city is not managed then when he is sent in our coffers hoping for a city

691
01:03:55,180 --> 01:04:00,440
match in the coming years and in some cases we've been criticized for holding it for too long

692
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:07,520
a period of time and vice versa I think probably from the city's point of view that I don't know

693
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,920
if they just write you a check to the park authority or if it's just sitting in their

694
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:18,840
bank account until it's ready to be transferred. I suspect the latter but the

695
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:25,720
obligation to match 50-50 is what the obligation is and if the county doesn't

696
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:30,580
have funding to match the city's 50% then they're not going to be able to

697
01:04:30,580 --> 01:04:36,740
match that. The obligation is to come up with that 50% and so the city would wait

698
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:43,200
for us to match it. And if that doesn't look like it's worth coming, then they may re-appropriate

699
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:49,960
to do something else. Same thing on the county side. If we fund something safe for $100,000

700
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:56,520
in the city isn't going to come up with a match on it, then that will give it a period of time.

701
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:04,860
And then that point either reappropriate it or re-purpose it. I don't know what that helps.

702
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:21,680
It's not a obligatory obligation that we have to match. It's, we match it when funds are available.

703
01:05:22,420 --> 01:05:23,020
Okay.

704
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:27,840
And so from the city's perspective, I just want to add that we are holding those funds.

705
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,580
It is in the public lands budget.

706
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:34,160
However, city council ultimately holds the purse strings.

707
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,980
And so if they want to reallocate that funding, they certainly could.

708
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,560
That's not a department decision. It's a city council decision.

709
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,400
So I just, I have a question for the county on prioritization.

710
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:50,400
You mentioned you prioritize the pavilion, but not the water line.

711
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:58,280
I'm wondering how you prioritized those and what getting to the question around process,

712
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,000
how a water line fits into that.

713
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,800
So I can answer that, Kim, that we're not quite done with the study yet.

714
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,300
There's a little bit more to do, but we're 90% of the way.

715
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:19,960
And in our rationale, the project, as it stands today, is north of $4.5 million in today's

716
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:28,860
dollars. So our rationale is putting a million dollars aside from the city and putting a

717
01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:34,100
million dollars aside from the county. We would still need a couple more years to catch

718
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:39,580
up to where we can afford it with inflation and that kind of thing. So we think we need

719
01:06:39,580 --> 01:06:44,860
to huddle with you and your staff and see if there's another way to take a bite at that project

720
01:06:44,860 --> 01:06:48,220
in particular because of the expense to it.

721
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:56,380
And I will add that I've been listening to the, I've been attending the design meetings

722
01:06:56,380 --> 01:07:04,860
and that we have asked the consultant to look at phasing and what could be done if we

723
01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:05,680
had some money.

724
01:07:06,340 --> 01:07:09,340
There's obviously kind of a threshold, right?

725
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:15,140
Like certain requirements from public utilities for the fire veterans, like once we start

726
01:07:15,140 --> 01:07:16,980
that, we have to do the whole thing, right?

727
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:22,380
so we can't kind of he smell it, but there might be some elements that could be phased,

728
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:29,880
and so I hope that we have an option that's not, we have to wait for the fall bucket of money.

729
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:40,040
But it would be great. I know a consultant's been talking with public utilities,

730
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,660
but I don't know if there's any, similarly, any grants, public utilities,

731
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:52,700
He's knows of federal dollars, Richard even shared something in the about a legislator

732
01:07:52,700 --> 01:08:02,220
who got money for, I think it was culinary upgrades, like if that's any resource you

733
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:06,440
guys have to help with some of that budget amount would be great.

734
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:30,540
What about what I mentioned to Roxy is it was a congressional landmark up in Northern Idaho and I don't know how our relationships with Congress might be better after this all in our specific congressional district.

735
01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:44,100
Um, then it has been here to four, but, you know, they're, they're touting their, their earmarks and their earmarks include for parks.

736
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:58,600
Um, the one thing about prioritization in this gets into something that has concerned me almost since the beginning I've been on the park is the county.

737
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:08,160
Well, I argue that sugar house park has different level of service needs because it's a 12 month park.

738
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:14,040
It's used every month of the year and it's used a lot.

739
01:09:14,620 --> 01:09:24,280
Like I've been in roughly the same time periods at a playground in sugar house park and then at the new one at Cottonwood.

740
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:35,860
and we probably had 20 times the number of patrons, so not just the 12-month

741
01:09:35,860 --> 01:09:41,880
a year but the load and being urban, I don't think the county always,

742
01:09:44,170 --> 01:09:44,970
I don't

743
01:09:44,970 --> 01:09:48,530
think the county's willing to acknowledge there should be an

744
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:54,790
the Midwest difference and, you know, just like business improvement districts are created

745
01:09:55,270 --> 01:10:02,010
to provide an extra level of service beyond what a city can normally provide. That's

746
01:10:02,010 --> 01:10:11,050
why you have park Conservancies. But I wonder if the prioritization process takes into account

747
01:10:11,050 --> 01:10:17,330
some of those things. I mean, one of the things we discovered in our unsuccessful process

748
01:10:17,330 --> 01:10:36,330
of application is 35% of the county's population lies within five miles of Sugar House Park and because of Sugar House Park unique location that's

749
01:10:36,330 --> 01:10:44,470
crime by a lot of transportation assets, especially I-80, it's used as a meeting point

750
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:50,690
for people throughout the county because it's easier for them to reach Sherhouse Park

751
01:10:51,810 --> 01:10:58,050
from different parts of the area than it is said to go to Big Cottonwood or definitely

752
01:10:58,050 --> 01:11:07,550
a parking magna. And those kinds of factors ought to be considered when thinking about Sugar House

753
01:11:07,550 --> 01:11:14,790
Park. We're sort of being told, you know, county-wise, you're kind of a pig. You get lots of money.

754
01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:20,230
Yeah, I'm sorry, Richard. I want to take exception to that. No one has ever accused the Sugar House

755
01:11:20,230 --> 01:11:24,850
Park. They haven't used the word. The Sugar House Park has received a considerable amount funding

756
01:11:24,850 --> 01:11:39,550
from the county and we are in the process of getting geofencing put together so that we can answer some of those questions because I would like to know the amount of visitors that we have in all these parks.

757
01:11:40,190 --> 01:11:45,950
One of the things we don't have a good sense of is actual visitation in parks.

758
01:11:45,950 --> 01:11:51,410
We used to use some counters or historically pretty unreliable.

759
01:11:51,650 --> 01:11:53,790
We know how many people are coming to a rec center.

760
01:11:53,930 --> 01:11:58,750
We know where they're going, where they come from, how far they're willing to travel.

761
01:11:59,730 --> 01:12:01,450
And I would like to be able to have that data.

762
01:12:01,650 --> 01:12:05,130
And maybe that data does make an argument for a higher level of service.

763
01:12:05,950 --> 01:12:13,550
But I would take great exception to the idea that the county thinks Sugar House Park is the pig.

764
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:16,590
I think you haven't used that word.

765
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:19,250
I wonder if they use similar words.

766
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:22,610
I think level of service is definitely operations.

767
01:12:22,610 --> 01:12:24,850
I think that's where we've talked about it Richard

768
01:12:24,850 --> 01:12:26,490
and we're on the capital side.

769
01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:29,430
So I want to go back to the process and.

770
01:12:30,030 --> 01:12:33,010
It actually matters for both, but.

771
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:38,610
Well, what what is the process as Kim asked that.

772
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:42,190
You know, for prioritizing and the review and.

773
01:12:42,190 --> 01:12:47,650
And what is, I guess, what's the county thinking for the culinary water line?

774
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:49,070
Is it next year?

775
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:56,030
Is it still, I don't know what's going to determine when that goes forward?

776
01:12:58,730 --> 01:13:01,770
I think it's an, I don't know at this point in time.

777
01:13:01,950 --> 01:13:04,330
I mean, the price tag on this is very significant.

778
01:13:07,930 --> 01:13:13,810
And it's more than, you know, a new pavilion or a playground, that kind of thing.

779
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:18,510
So I think we've got to be thoughtful about how we're going to come up with that funding to do it.

780
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:22,370
And if it can be phased, that's awesome.

781
01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:32,570
And in the meantime, we continue to hatch it when it breaks and keep things working and, you know, that kind of thing.

782
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:50,370
So, and if as Shafan is asked before, if it broke tomorrow and wasn't usable, what would the county do if the park does not act culinary in a, you know, someday?

783
01:13:50,370 --> 01:13:58,410
We would probably try to work with our folks and facilities and see about tapping into

784
01:13:58,410 --> 01:14:00,970
some ex-chimp funds for emergencies.

785
01:14:03,530 --> 01:14:06,150
We've done this before in these types of situations.

786
01:14:06,730 --> 01:14:11,850
Ideally, we try to replace things before they fall apart, but as we've learned this week

787
01:14:11,850 --> 01:14:21,470
with our ice center out in West Valley, which the cooling tower died on Monday,

788
01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:25,550
that facility will probably have to be shut down for six to nine months,

789
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:28,830
while we design a new cooling tower and get it manufactured.

790
01:14:29,230 --> 01:14:34,490
So we try to stay ahead of these things before they break, but we're not always successful.

791
01:14:34,710 --> 01:14:37,410
I think to answer the question about how we do the prioritization,

792
01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:52,690
So, we submit a capital budget to the department, the department evaluates that capital budget within community services against we're in the same group as the planetarium and arts and culture.

793
01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:59,410
So, they look at all of the needs through that and then they go through and prioritize what they're going to submit up to the mayor's office.

794
01:15:00,910 --> 01:15:26,270
It's a big bucket. I think this is really, really useful information, and thank you, Chris. Because two things really enlightened me today is that, hey, the city of the county can have deferring prioritization lists, right? Which is why the city can approve. The county can't approve. As 100% I agree with.

795
01:15:28,350 --> 01:15:30,650
And honestly,

796
01:15:30,650 --> 01:15:34,050
One of the things that I think we need to do as a

797
01:15:34,050 --> 01:15:37,510
Parkatorium, as a board, is to understand how we

798
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:41,290
prioritize of a budgeting for capital projects

799
01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:43,170
going forward, right?

800
01:15:43,950 --> 01:15:47,390
Because stuff like the water line, stuff like irrigation

801
01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:51,230
systems, those are infrastructure projects that, hey,

802
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:56,870
ultimately there's an ultimate owner or ultimate remedy

803
01:15:56,870 --> 01:16:04,530
if something breaks there, right? And so do we, do we put in number budgeting, hey,

804
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:08,830
we need to fix this, so let's just pass this to the county and city,

805
01:16:09,810 --> 01:16:15,550
knowing that these might not be prioritized by the county and the city in the same way,

806
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:23,790
or do we allow it to fail and let it mitigate at that point? Those are the things that we need to

807
01:16:23,790 --> 01:16:33,610
I think about an on-its budget cycle, I think, which I will remind the group of when we do it.

808
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,990
Well, and Sean, I would say we

809
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,020
do not start the budgeting process.

810
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:49,440
I think mostly how it's been occurring is the county is saying, hey, here's what's needing replacement, right?

811
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:52,140
So they were the ones that said the water line is failing.

812
01:16:52,140 --> 01:17:02,520
the county can absolutely recommend, but ultimately it's us that puts a budget forward for the

813
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:13,400
park authority. Unless the county wants to do it on our behalf. So for capital projects,

814
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:23,180
The county, yes, we talked about projects, I believe in the meeting and said, here's all the needs.

815
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,400
And we said, let's submit these.

816
01:17:25,540 --> 01:17:27,400
But they very much came from the county.

817
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:37,600
I mean, the pavilions are kind of a big effort that was before us, a lot of us joined with that initiative to get the pavilions replaced.

818
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,420
but I would say a lot of it is saying the county saying this is what the data they manage right

819
01:17:42,420 --> 01:17:47,560
they're saying here's the needs so we ask for studying design because the county set the water

820
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:57,580
lines feeling right so I don't know that you know I would very I'd like to think that the park

821
01:17:57,580 --> 01:18:04,480
authority can say hey Patrick no we don't want the pavilion we want the water line but if the county

822
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:15,400
says they're not going to find it, you know, but the county told us to budget for a water line,

823
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:20,560
and then the county said, no, we're not going to fund the water line. Yes, that's what happened.

824
01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:28,240
No, that's not what happened. We put forward the, pushed forward the design of the water line,

825
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,820
so we knew what it would cost to do the replacement of the woman.

826
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:39,260
How it's north of $4.5 million right now, and the study is not complete.

827
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:46,720
And so the city, I don't know if it was new money or reappropriated some money,

828
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:53,840
but sort of redirected money toward beginning to build up a bank account

829
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,660
for the water line replacement.

830
01:18:56,380 --> 01:19:00,820
We're just not in a position to redirect money or ask for money to do that at this point

831
01:19:00,820 --> 01:19:05,300
in time and think that there's a different solution that we need to have a conversation

832
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:05,860
about.

833
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:14,060
So Patrick, what you're saying is you guys said, hey, let's do a study to see how bad

834
01:19:14,060 --> 01:19:15,600
our water system water line is.

835
01:19:16,340 --> 01:19:23,860
And then at some point, one of our budgets that we passed said, hey, let's change the water

836
01:19:23,860 --> 01:19:29,880
line up and then the county goes no no that's not what we want to do right now so at some point

837
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:37,220
there was a disconnect between the budget between county and our budget so it's just 100% informed by

838
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:45,280
the county is what you said I guess what I would say Shahan is this Patrick said with regard to the

839
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:53,860
pavilion. They don't always work in the same timeframe. And I think in the end we'll

840
01:19:53,860 --> 01:20:04,500
get what this this the county respects the cities going first saying these are the projects

841
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:12,600
we'll fund that helps them make their decisions. But Patrick saying for saying there's a lot

842
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:20,700
need and not all the projects can always be funded right in the same time cycle. But getting back to

843
01:20:20,700 --> 01:20:29,060
what Patrick said about the water line, what Roxy said, what I said, we need to include in those

844
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:36,140
planning, even with the consultants, identifying other funding sources. And that might be a way

845
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:43,600
either, you know, through watershed, which probably is not, but through public utilities,

846
01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:47,100
through perhaps a congressional earmark.

847
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:53,300
In order to move that forward, because like everyone said,

848
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:59,760
it is critical, and we don't want to get into the point where we have to, you know, have a water

849
01:21:02,420 --> 01:21:07,480
bringing in water for these needs, but that's what I'm going to say, right?

850
01:21:09,780 --> 01:21:17,500
I will say too with that, sorry, Jeffy, and you'll go, that I did ask the consultants for that.

851
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:24,420
And as we kind of circling back to the beginning conversation, it's all the things we know,

852
01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:32,460
Landwater Conservation Fund, Utah Division of Hazard Medication, Utah Division of Outdoor Recreation,

853
01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:39,920
County Zap and Track, or the regional thing. So I think what happens unfortunately,

854
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:45,720
this goes back to the same original thing we have to solve, which is, what is the legal definition?

855
01:21:46,540 --> 01:21:54,300
Where can we get funds from? And all of us working to get our legal standing with the federal

856
01:21:56,700 --> 01:22:01,280
entity fixed or resolved so that we can find other funds sources of funding.

857
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:07,620
Now, if we can go through public utilities or someone else that has some assistance

858
01:22:07,620 --> 01:22:15,700
that might not require us and this was my question is going back to again, is the county

859
01:22:15,700 --> 01:22:21,460
and city going to help find the sources of funds if it can't come from capital?

860
01:22:21,460 --> 01:22:32,260
You know, is that something we'll let you guys figure out or are you saying the park authority needs to find a solution and we need to go find some additional money and then Jackie.

861
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,560
You can go after that answer.

862
01:22:38,090 --> 01:22:43,130
So I can't speak for Kim or Chris on this, but I can point.

863
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:51,410
So with respect to the water line, I don't know what the answer is and I don't know what source of funding we're going to find to replace a very expensive project.

864
01:22:51,410 --> 01:23:00,310
But I will say that the county has leveraged other sources of funding that have been instrumental

865
01:23:00,310 --> 01:23:06,810
in the park over the years to a very significant amount that have not been matched by the city.

866
01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:07,990
We've not asked for a match.

867
01:23:08,330 --> 01:23:13,230
And the most reason one was the dredging of the pond to the tune of a half million dollars

868
01:23:13,230 --> 01:23:18,230
from money that came from a different source that the county sourced through a county flood

869
01:23:18,230 --> 01:23:18,550
control.

870
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:25,490
So we do that all the time to the benefit of the park and that's not fair that's not fair to the county

871
01:23:25,490 --> 01:23:26,710
I know we should be

872
01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:30,810
asking the city to match those funds

873
01:23:30,810 --> 01:23:35,450
But these to be the agreement between the two there's an agreement between the two

874
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:36,710
So well

875
01:23:38,410 --> 01:23:46,650
That's a that's a long discussion later I'm not I'm not worried about asking for them to match county flood control

876
01:23:46,650 --> 01:23:50,390
because they benefit from county flood control as well.

877
01:23:50,570 --> 01:23:51,670
That's why it's county water.

878
01:23:53,790 --> 01:23:57,150
And I'm not interested in asking the city taxpayer

879
01:23:57,150 --> 01:24:00,390
to pay up just because there's an 50-50 obligation

880
01:24:00,390 --> 01:24:02,030
when we have a different source of funding

881
01:24:02,030 --> 01:24:03,370
that can cover these things.

882
01:24:04,830 --> 01:24:07,550
So having said that, there are other funds

883
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:12,530
that come into the park and we are always looking

884
01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:14,630
for opportunities to leverage those funds.

885
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:15,990
Jackie?

886
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:24,350
Yeah, I think just to clarify Shahan on the budget process versus appropriations

887
01:24:24,350 --> 01:24:33,730
request process. On a normal schedule, the city allocates funding roughly a year and

888
01:24:33,730 --> 01:24:39,030
a half before the county process because they're on different budget cycles. And so when

889
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:45,850
we decide to prioritize our request with the city for a waterline, it's not in our budget

890
01:24:45,850 --> 01:24:51,510
until in our park budget, until we actually get that funding, so it's sort of a different process.

891
01:24:51,810 --> 01:24:56,610
So we go out there, it can be frustrating, and it's been frustrating to me,

892
01:24:56,810 --> 01:25:01,170
of like we go out there and we use sort of our political capital to talk to our city council member

893
01:25:01,170 --> 01:25:06,610
about the funding we want them to prioritize, and then when they do, and the county doesn't get

894
01:25:06,610 --> 01:25:11,770
on board or fund something different, then the cities kind of annoyed with us that we're not

895
01:25:12,290 --> 01:25:14,230
moving forward with the project they funded.

896
01:25:15,950 --> 01:25:33,810
I think particularly the legislative branch because they are the ones that do the budget and their shorter election cycles, and then the money sits there and that sort of where we ended up with the pavilion when we all started on the board is that some of the pavilion money had been sitting there for years.

897
01:25:34,130 --> 01:25:38,530
There had been a plan in 2009 to replace the pavilions things hadn't happened.

898
01:25:38,530 --> 01:25:46,050
And so it can be, I know, probably to everyone on the sport very frustrating to do the

899
01:25:46,050 --> 01:25:52,750
sort of dual cycle with two different legislative bodies and two different mayors and trying

900
01:25:52,750 --> 01:25:57,750
to get everyone aligned because even though we may get put something in the mayor's budget

901
01:25:57,750 --> 01:26:02,350
that doesn't mean the legislative branch is going to fund it and it's kind of a mess.

902
01:26:02,350 --> 01:26:09,070
So I didn't know it was an ear. I thought the timing difference was the accounting

903
01:26:09,070 --> 01:26:15,450
clause, your fiscal year difference. I was assuming that June and September were your

904
01:26:15,450 --> 01:26:25,970
fiscal year closes. I didn't realize that we had to submit capital requests years ahead

905
01:26:25,970 --> 01:26:28,070
of each other.

906
01:26:28,910 --> 01:26:29,510
Yes.

907
01:26:29,870 --> 01:26:39,530
So for example, Shahan, the money right now, the city has, we did, yeah, over a year ago,

908
01:26:39,690 --> 01:26:45,450
we submitted it to the city for their budgeting, then we submitted it to the council, we submitted

909
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:51,670
it in September, we submitted it to the county in December, but the city approves before the

910
01:26:51,670 --> 01:26:54,430
county does in this incident.

911
01:26:54,430 --> 01:26:56,110
That's the fiscal year, right?

912
01:26:56,330 --> 01:26:58,470
So that's the September and December

913
01:26:58,470 --> 01:27:02,050
of the two fiscal year closes, which is the normal.

914
01:27:02,050 --> 01:27:04,490
So yeah, depending on when the project's submitted

915
01:27:04,490 --> 01:27:06,850
and when their money becomes available,

916
01:27:07,090 --> 01:27:12,110
it can be 18 months between when one, right, the city said,

917
01:27:12,110 --> 01:27:13,150
yes, we agree to this.

918
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:17,170
It was almost 12 months by the time the city said,

919
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:18,670
the county said no.

920
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:20,290
So now the city has money.

921
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:22,510
And this is what has happened in previous years

922
01:27:22,510 --> 01:27:25,890
is one's always kind of carrying until the other can match.

923
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:33,570
So we, this is another thing for the big attorneys to decide and for this to be organized

924
01:27:33,570 --> 01:27:35,690
is Patrick's idea.

925
01:27:35,970 --> 01:27:42,090
And I think Kim, you've been informed of it is like, maybe there's just an annual amount

926
01:27:42,590 --> 01:27:47,250
for capital given to the park and so we don't have to do this catching and running after

927
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:56,170
each other but an annual amount from both entities that can be expended or saved for a larger project

928
01:27:57,070 --> 01:28:02,590
and this doesn't exclude us from pursuing zap or track or other stuff but it's just this

929
01:28:02,590 --> 01:28:12,050
keeping the annual needs of the park going like repaving or replacing things you know so that's

930
01:28:12,050 --> 01:28:16,850
It's not an idea for me, but for Patrick, he's told us about it.

931
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:22,010
Yeah, and I think the challenge that will run into at least on the county side is, again,

932
01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:25,010
we have more than just Sugar House Park.

933
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:29,850
In the same we saw like City does, they have other parks that they're investing in as well.

934
01:28:30,490 --> 01:28:39,330
So when you talk about having a dedicated stream of capital for Sugar House Park, I've got

935
01:28:39,330 --> 01:28:46,690
those same problems in 41 other parks. So it would be, we try to rotate it in where the

936
01:28:46,690 --> 01:28:55,030
parks get something as we go through different budget cycles and, you know, trying to spread

937
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:59,990
that around as evenly as we can is something we struggle with every year.

938
01:29:00,990 --> 01:29:06,830
And then, Chris, do you have other parks? Again, we always feel like an anomaly that you are

939
01:29:06,830 --> 01:29:14,010
combatching though and I think that's what's different here is this inflation by the time

940
01:29:14,010 --> 01:29:20,570
a whole year passes and this trying to get both branches and both councils to agree on

941
01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:21,550
prioritization.

942
01:29:22,130 --> 01:29:29,190
I just wonder if do you have this exact, you know, instant somewhere else or like other

943
01:29:29,190 --> 01:29:35,590
things could this, if this situation stays the same, does that make sense just to ease

944
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:43,030
These challenges and make it easier for everybody and solve problems.

945
01:29:43,650 --> 01:29:51,470
Yeah, I know that we have a similar situation, not exactly the same with South Jordan and Bingham Creek.

946
01:29:52,190 --> 01:29:58,230
But I'm not actually for sure what our funding relationship is with them anymore.

947
01:29:58,230 --> 01:29:59,970
I know there was something that they put in in the...

948
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,580
Beginning, I'd need to look that up unless Patrick, you know the answer. Yeah, the challenge with Bingham Creek is that there was a 10-year window where we were treating it differently than we are with Sugar House Park. After the 10-year window, then it was going to be the council chasing the county and the county chasing the council. We're still in, I don't know, year four of that 10-year window. Bingham Creek did frontload some money, though.

949
01:30:29,580 --> 01:30:46,820
into the bank account. So the competing needs and the county balancing multiple paths is 100%

950
01:30:46,820 --> 01:30:54,700
a defensible argument that the county can always have because we are not the baby here, right?

951
01:30:54,700 --> 01:31:13,540
we're one of 47. It's up to us as a community, as a board, to prioritize asks from both the county and the city because the county and the city would have different, sorry, Richard, I'm going to finish on the

952
01:31:14,460 --> 01:31:17,340
The county and the city can have different priorities.

953
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:22,780
It means we need to limit our asks so that if a county,

954
01:31:23,020 --> 01:31:26,080
if the county doesn't prioritize one of the asks,

955
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,000
and the city does on the other hand prioritize the county

956
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,140
who doesn't prioritize the county does,

957
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,260
then, you know, we are left with, hey,

958
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,720
we have missed out on both of these projects.

959
01:31:39,580 --> 01:31:42,500
We need to limit the asks from

960
01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:49,000
we're already limiting. We're already limiting and then I guess the one thing I want to say

961
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:59,300
to Chris you have 42 parks. This one's the second oldest in your system because technically

962
01:31:59,300 --> 01:32:09,200
evergreen park was the first county park. So an older park has more capital needs than a newer one.

963
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:10,240
Well, not true.

964
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:12,840
Newer ones have tremendous capital needs

965
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,500
because that's when they're being outfitted

966
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:16,220
with other facilities.

967
01:32:16,660 --> 01:32:17,960
But that's another factor.

968
01:32:18,540 --> 01:32:21,280
And, you know, Sahan, we do kick around

969
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:25,720
when we're talking in capital improvements committee,

970
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,580
we kick around a lot of things

971
01:32:29,060 --> 01:32:33,800
and we do slim them down to what we think is reasonable.

972
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:41,200
well, you know, we're sort of like, um, self-added in any way, so we are doing that.

973
01:32:41,580 --> 01:32:44,080
Well, and the board, it was brought to the board.

974
01:32:44,180 --> 01:32:48,400
It wasn't just our decision, and we prioritized on the board.

975
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:54,840
So yeah, I agree the, the processes happening, Chihon, I think it's the difference of what

976
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:59,640
we tell the city or the county, you know, 12 months before the other entities looking at

977
01:32:59,640 --> 01:32:59,840
it.

978
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:15,240
So I mean, city and county, you tell us if we're doing it wrong, but I feel like we've been trying to communicate between both of you and again, trying to put forward what's recommended.

979
01:33:15,300 --> 01:33:23,240
So that was a culinary waterline. I just want to make sure Kim, did you have your answers, your questions answered.

980
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:39,720
I did. Thank you. Okay. And then I was aware that the city was allocator budgeting or discussing a million dollar earmark for the culinary water line. I know you can't speak on that. But right now that's in the budget.

981
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,440
Correct for the county to know that that million dollars is in there.

982
01:33:44,340 --> 01:33:50,360
It's recommended from the mayor's budget and CAP is currently be considered by city council right now.

983
01:33:52,740 --> 01:33:54,240
and we are aware of that.

984
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:59,500
I say we let it fail and let whoever fix it fix it.

985
01:34:01,820 --> 01:34:02,520
Use emergency

986
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:07,940
funds. Okay. That's a tried and true government tactic actually. What's this?

987
01:34:08,300 --> 01:34:14,660
I'm letting something to. It might be shahan answer some of your questions on the budget.

988
01:34:15,700 --> 01:34:22,980
Patrick, do you have an update on the water meters and our water bill from public utilities?

989
01:34:25,380 --> 01:34:31,720
Yes, we are we are we are this close to getting the permit issued from public utilities

990
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:42,040
They are waiting on one thing from our contract or to submit to them an actual design of the how the meter is going to go in

991
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:43,700
So we're very very close

992
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,980
And think hopefully

993
01:34:48,900 --> 01:34:54,220
We'll get that permit issued within a within a week or two and can get those meters installed

994
01:34:59,020 --> 01:35:06,180
The question you had to Amy on the budget and the water bill and all that kind of stuff

995
01:35:06,180 --> 01:35:13,380
is all related to what public utilities told us a year ago when they changed their sewer

996
01:35:14,900 --> 01:35:18,640
calculation and we were expecting a $1.2 million.

997
01:35:20,020 --> 01:35:20,680
Okay.

998
01:35:20,860 --> 01:35:22,260
This is what I emailed last night.

999
01:35:22,260 --> 01:35:27,000
Yeah, hit to the sewer. Yeah, yeah. I was just wondering if that was a formal

1000
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:31,960
re-budgeting that happened and how how does the county do it? Does it do that?

1001
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:37,880
It was re-budgeted downward once we got close once we were approved by public

1002
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:47,420
utilities on a much more rational number and so hopefully we'll get those

1003
01:35:47,420 --> 01:35:53,620
meters in and public utilities will have what they need and this issue will be put to that.

1004
01:35:55,820 --> 01:36:01,660
Where does that million dollars go that was for this deal?

1005
01:36:04,850 --> 01:36:07,450
It went back to once it came from

1006
01:36:08,350 --> 01:36:10,250
to not us. Yes.

1007
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:17,970
Well technically it goes back to the taxpayer so all of us, well all of you,

1008
01:36:36,860 --> 01:36:55,900
and the last kind of thing we had on the county and this is, again, could be part of this bigger discussion is the park authorities contract with Salt Lake County for operation and maintenance is ending December 20, 27, so we're, you know,

1009
01:36:55,900 --> 01:37:07,140
over a year away. This was something that the park authority had looked at as far as neither

1010
01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:14,460
party could really follow the contract and abide by some of the requirements of when

1011
01:37:14,460 --> 01:37:22,780
we pay how we pay, you know, what's the level of service is noted before, it seems kind of vague

1012
01:37:22,780 --> 01:37:28,280
and there was lots of questions about it. So, as you guys are talking, again, this is something

1013
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:36,340
to discuss is a new contract. What needs, what each party needs, you know, a park authority would

1014
01:37:36,340 --> 01:37:41,820
be like to be involved in that discussion of a new operation and maintenance contract.

1015
01:37:43,260 --> 01:37:48,320
And so, as again, the conversations are happening, I think that's something

1016
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:55,440
I mean, does the city have to agree to the terms of that contract as well since cities

1017
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:56,500
beg off of that bill?

1018
01:37:57,340 --> 01:38:03,760
Well, they were on previous contracts, like I don't think there was a county signature

1019
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:08,120
in a park authority signature because it was kind of from the park authority, so that could

1020
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:08,540
change.

1021
01:38:10,260 --> 01:38:17,000
Well, my question is, do we have the authority to encumber the city to a certain amount of

1022
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:27,820
money without their review. No, no, I would encourage the county to loop us in. I can't

1023
01:38:27,820 --> 01:38:32,400
speak to what the past negotiations were, but I would like to make sure we're at the

1024
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:32,700
table.

1025
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:46,160
And I would say something again that has been elusive to us is the O&M amount annually.

1026
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:59,800
And we have been sort of, you know, this is the amount last year and all the county will approve is 3% even if needs are different or we want to higher level of service.

1027
01:39:00,220 --> 01:39:13,200
And so there's another conversation is what is the discussion on the community services or the financial side that says we will not increase this more than 3% and say we talk about.

1028
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:24,940
So when we talk about this contract and the city is involved and we say this is kind of what's expected, what is the process to ask for more operations if needed.

1029
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:30,140
We know, for example, that some of the things the county does provide for us aren't paid through that.

1030
01:39:30,140 --> 01:39:35,180
O&M, right? We have Jen here, we have Diane, we have other assets you guys are contributing

1031
01:39:35,180 --> 01:39:37,240
that aren't necessarily covered.

1032
01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:44,240
So any thoughts on that? I know we would like to talk about

1033
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:50,780
what the actual O&M for the park is because it's probably too low. So I think there's two points

1034
01:39:50,780 --> 01:39:57,060
that I'll like Chris weigh in on it. I think the 3% is a number that we know there's just an inflationary

1035
01:39:57,060 --> 01:40:01,960
increase and we just plug that number. It's not set in stone. It's not scientific. It's not

1036
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:08,500
anything like that. The challenge to answer your question, Roxie, I think that's a great question.

1037
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:14,980
What is the actual cost to operate the park? Is it really good question? The flip side to that is

1038
01:40:15,620 --> 01:40:19,160
to the extent that's a larger number than what we're billing today.

1039
01:40:20,580 --> 01:40:25,580
It simply means that the city and the county taxpayer are going to be paying more money

1040
01:40:26,420 --> 01:40:32,100
for sure grass part so it's a it's a bit of a double-edged sword for us but Chris.

1041
01:40:33,620 --> 01:40:38,740
I'm just gonna add that I think my hope is to get the legal questions settled and then work

1042
01:40:38,740 --> 01:40:44,900
from that prior to being able to have that conversation about a new O&M budget.

1043
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:54,560
We're happy to work with our partners in the city to come up with a good solution.

1044
01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:04,140
That's awesome to get the legal side sorted, but for the financial side, I think a great

1045
01:41:04,140 --> 01:41:13,360
starting area would be historical information and historical records that can stand up

1046
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,220
to due diligence scrutiny.

1047
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:23,780
So we can try to understand over the years how much effort has gone into this park, how much

1048
01:41:23,780 --> 01:41:30,680
money you guys have put into it and the records can back the the ask of the need going forward.

1049
01:41:40,440 --> 01:41:42,780
Okay. Any other items on

1050
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,060
county or city?

1051
01:41:51,180 --> 01:41:51,500
Okay.

1052
01:41:51,860 --> 01:41:57,440
Hamson's were in the county city update. Is there anything from the city side that we should be aware of?

1053
01:41:58,420 --> 01:42:01,160
No, they've already been addressed. So thank you.

1054
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:07,530
Okay. All right. We'll go circle back to the top.

1055
01:42:07,530 --> 01:42:17,510
make sure we get our, you know, meeting agenda items done. So I'm going back to meeting

1056
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:25,750
agenda number four, which is our past meeting minutes. So since we did not have a formal meeting

1057
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:33,540
in July, we have our meeting minutes from, well, sorry, we did have a meeting in July. So we do have

1058
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:40,660
our meeting minutes from June and July. If there are punctuation, that sort of edits you can

1059
01:42:40,660 --> 01:42:52,750
send them straight to Jen. This is more just kind of the content material. And yes, Jackie.

1060
01:42:55,140 --> 01:43:02,820
So it looks like on our agenda, we only have for about the April minutes. So I think maybe we need to

1061
01:43:02,820 --> 01:43:07,120
the way to approve our minutes for June and July until our September meeting when it's

1062
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:08,940
noticed of us, those minutes.

1063
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,100
Unless I have a burden of the agenda, that's wrong.

1064
01:43:12,460 --> 01:43:17,900
Yeah, we have a agenda that doesn't have that, but I did notice on the public note, especially

1065
01:43:17,900 --> 01:43:20,020
to vote for June and July.

1066
01:43:20,420 --> 01:43:21,240
So it's legal.

1067
01:43:22,540 --> 01:43:23,040
Cool.

1068
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:26,200
And I can.

1069
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:28,080
Thanks.

1070
01:43:28,940 --> 01:43:34,260
I wasn't at the June meeting, it has me, both attending and not attending, so I just wanted

1071
01:43:34,260 --> 01:43:38,360
clarify that I was not able to attend due to the City Council meeting for June.

1072
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,740
For June. Okay. Thanks.

1073
01:44:00,060 --> 01:44:02,820
Oh okay. Yes. I see.

1074
01:44:07,730 --> 01:44:11,090
So I'll take Kim off board members present for June.

1075
01:44:11,310 --> 01:44:12,150
11th meeting.

1076
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,760
Okay does anyone want

1077
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:23,950
to move to approve?

1078
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:29,360
So I move to approve both the June and

1079
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,120
July meeting minutes.

1080
01:44:33,190 --> 01:44:36,010
Kenya, first by a sieve. Do I have a second?

1081
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:48,020
Max will second. Thanks Max. All in favor say aye.

1082
01:44:48,980 --> 01:44:50,100
Or raise your hand.

1083
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,300
I think I have to say that wasn't in July.

1084
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:59,940
We should maybe do separate then since there.

1085
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:18,620
There's some people weren't the one or the other, so- That's fine, and it probably wasn't there in July either, wasn't there was. Patrick, you were not. Yeah, okay, so so can you read it for June? So I moved to a group of June minutes.

1086
01:45:21,620 --> 01:45:29,940
I said, second, by max, all in favor, aye, aye, aye, aye.

1087
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:30,940
those who abstain.

1088
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:36,620
This is June Patrick.

1089
01:45:39,390 --> 01:45:44,590
So Richard abstains and Kim abstains for June.

1090
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:51,270
Okay. Do I have a motion to approve the July minutes?

1091
01:45:55,150 --> 01:45:56,970
Richard moves to accept.

1092
01:45:57,770 --> 01:46:02,350
Okay, a motion by Richard, a second by...

1093
01:46:02,350 --> 01:46:03,130
A second.

1094
01:46:03,610 --> 01:46:06,370
Did all in favor say aye?

1095
01:46:07,570 --> 01:46:07,970
Aye.

1096
01:46:10,930 --> 01:46:14,010
And those that abstain that we're not at the July meeting,

1097
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:20,920
Max, or I'm sorry Eric, abstains and Patrick abstains.

1098
01:46:25,690 --> 01:46:26,690
All right, Chihon.

1099
01:46:27,710 --> 01:46:29,930
What's happening in our financials?

1100
01:46:32,230 --> 01:46:40,490
Awesome, I'll let you guys read the three financials there. I can run through the highlights. I've made a little note here of it.

1101
01:46:40,970 --> 01:46:46,790
Where are those? I'm sorry, did we get the financials?

1102
01:46:46,850 --> 01:46:49,850
Did not come in email.

1103
01:46:51,290 --> 01:46:53,350
They are in the website now.

1104
01:46:53,870 --> 01:46:56,530
I can forward them as well from shahan.

1105
01:46:56,530 --> 01:47:02,210
do you mind just putting them up on the screen? Yeah, we can see them. Yeah, it can do that as well.

1106
01:47:03,670 --> 01:47:08,590
Jen, you got them low, right? I think I forwarded them to you for the public website.

1107
01:47:14,500 --> 01:47:14,900
Jen,

1108
01:47:18,060 --> 01:47:19,000
sorry, I missed that.

1109
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:27,060
I think I did forward though the the financials to you, right, for the public notice website.

1110
01:47:27,060 --> 01:47:28,480
Yes, you did.

1111
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:29,400
I got it.

1112
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:29,880
Yeah.

1113
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:32,440
All right.

1114
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:33,760
I've got me.

1115
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:35,420
Shahan.

1116
01:47:35,940 --> 01:47:36,580
All right.

1117
01:47:37,340 --> 01:47:44,480
So in May, you can see the highlight of May is that we had a net revenue of positive amount

1118
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:47,360
of 388,000.

1119
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:52,220
And a lot of that is because we had revenue of almost $400,000.

1120
01:47:52,900 --> 01:48:02,740
If you look at the revenue that we booked in May, $272,000 of that were capital contributions,

1121
01:48:04,900 --> 01:48:11,780
invoices, $142,000 to Salt Lake City, $167,000 to Salt Lake City as well, I believe.

1122
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:19,460
We also had other income of 114, I'm sorry, 114,000.

1123
01:48:20,380 --> 01:48:26,080
Those were the four MOU invoices to Salt Lake City School District, I believe.

1124
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:36,380
And then we had a small reservation fee amount from Garden Centre administrative fee.

1125
01:48:37,780 --> 01:48:48,260
Expenditures were light, in May, the biggest expenditure was professional services, $15,000,

1126
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:56,520
almost $16,000, and the biggest part of that, 50% of that were legal expenses to curtain

1127
01:48:56,520 --> 01:49:06,260
and mokanki for drafting the school districts ever used. We also did have $4,000 in accounting

1128
01:49:06,260 --> 01:49:14,040
fees, $3,500 of that were to square and company for the 2025 audit.

1129
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:22,100
$3,000 in professional fees was the May Salt Lake City Patrol.

1130
01:49:22,780 --> 01:49:31,580
One thing that was unusual in May in the expense fields is that we did have three

1131
01:49:31,580 --> 01:49:39,240
invoices the Curtin and Maconkey build back to the Salt Lake School District and that

1132
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:46,060
total about 9,500. So it actually brought down other expenses. It's called in as a contra expense.

1133
01:49:49,540 --> 01:50:00,980
May we had a cash balance of about 208,000 now operating account. I believe our PTIF accounts were

1134
01:50:01,580 --> 01:50:19,900
in total $740,000, about $610,000 in the operating reserve PTIF balance and 129,000 in the capital reserve PTIF balance.

1135
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:25,420
Yeah, that's may want to move to June.

1136
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:42,440
June, much lighter in revenue. If you notice, we actually had an operating loss or a net loss of $1,500 in June.

1137
01:50:43,060 --> 01:50:50,360
Overall, June will cause an interest income from the PTIF accounts about $2,300.

1138
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:58,200
dollars. Reservation fees was down considerably or $300 of reservation fees was recorded in

1139
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:07,440
June and no other invoicing occurred in June. On the expenditure side, we have a light on

1140
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:15,140
expenditures as well. One of the biggest drops in expenditure and I think maybe save you can comment

1141
01:51:15,140 --> 01:51:25,560
on this solid security or solid police invoice was only $1500. So did we decide to cut down on

1142
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:34,340
expenditure for security? Standing June, I can't remember. I think part of the issue is like

1143
01:51:35,300 --> 01:51:41,500
security expenditures from the month before because I don't think we've approved the June payment yet.

1144
01:51:41,500 --> 01:51:45,820
That's not the payment.

1145
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:50,340
These are not based.

1146
01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:52,680
We are accrual accounting in government.

1147
01:51:53,460 --> 01:51:55,800
We are accrual accounting in most places,

1148
01:51:56,060 --> 01:51:57,380
not cash basis accounting.

1149
01:51:58,180 --> 01:52:01,540
So it's it's recorded on in the period of performance.

1150
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:05,280
So what you're seeing here is June's period of performance.

1151
01:52:05,740 --> 01:52:09,300
So yes, I was going to say yes.

1152
01:52:09,300 --> 01:52:16,640
They were doing two times a week through May, but I told them to just do one, and so that

1153
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:21,280
took effect in the June financials, and that's why it's half the amount.

1154
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:31,880
And that's what we see here, the 50% drop in security is a direct correlation to that

1155
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:34,400
administrative position we made.

1156
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:41,900
If we look at our assets in the balance sheet, you can see cash rose by about 120,000.

1157
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:48,520
That is because we collected on a couple of those invoices that we build last month.

1158
01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:52,320
So cash balance was 330,000.

1159
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:57,880
PTIF actually grew marginally because of interest.

1160
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:03,120
So PTI have stayed at 612 and 129,000.

1161
01:53:05,480 --> 01:53:09,180
If we move to July, July is preliminary.

1162
01:53:09,700 --> 01:53:21,380
They're still closing July, which is why you will see basically next to no revenue and reservation fee.

1163
01:53:21,380 --> 01:53:26,440
We had some revenue and reservation fees, but I'm waiting for them to, I'm waiting for

1164
01:53:26,440 --> 01:53:33,140
accountants to finish up July. Interesting come from PDAF, remain steady and strong,

1165
01:53:34,300 --> 01:53:42,080
no other invoicing occurred as of yet in July. We did have a second audit invoice

1166
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:50,240
recorded in July, so another $3,500 invoice to Squire and Company, total of $7,000

1167
01:53:50,240 --> 01:54:02,400
for the 2025 audit. That was the biggest cost packet in this month so far. I have not seen

1168
01:54:03,540 --> 01:54:13,560
a security invoice for July hit our account yet, so we might be waiting for a invoice from

1169
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:18,700
Salt Lake Police still. It is in the bill.com. I wait for

1170
01:54:18,700 --> 01:54:23,520
said to say he's received the reports and then you'll see it

1171
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:28,940
after. Okay, so when this finalized we should be we shouldn't see this.

1172
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:29,840
Yep.

1173
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:36,440
Cash rose a little bit more in July by about seven

1174
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:39,580
grand. So cash is sitting at about three hundred and

1175
01:54:39,580 --> 01:54:48,180
8,000 now. We did have accounts payable, and that's one of the things that I think we still

1176
01:54:48,180 --> 01:54:52,920
have some invoices that we need to pay on, didn't clear by the end of July.

1177
01:54:53,860 --> 01:55:01,500
PDF reserves stayed, well, pretty much tied in under just, it only increased by the

1178
01:55:03,340 --> 01:55:15,020
interest that it both. So it's it's at 614 and 120 almost 130,000. That's it. That's my

1179
01:55:15,020 --> 01:55:16,420
update. Any questions?

1180
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:26,940
Should we be approving that July budget or should we wait for next

1181
01:55:26,940 --> 01:55:32,220
month? No, it's not the proof. Okay, we're just getting a heads up on that, understood?

1182
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:37,860
Yeah, and the reason we did that, the reason I wanted to do that is because we always have

1183
01:55:37,860 --> 01:55:48,500
to have visibility. We are going to approve the the prior or the the financials from two months ago

1184
01:55:48,500 --> 01:55:56,900
at every meeting, but we don't ever want to not have visibility to other especially our cash

1185
01:55:56,900 --> 01:56:04,920
balance every month or at the end of the month. Okay. So we would have approved May's in July,

1186
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:12,060
But we don't have a full meeting so we'll approve May and June today.

1187
01:56:19,370 --> 01:56:21,590
What was the reservation for July?

1188
01:56:22,570 --> 01:56:23,230
What?

1189
01:56:24,210 --> 01:56:25,790
I think 1500.

1190
01:56:26,130 --> 01:56:28,290
Let me, let me look at my notes here real quick.

1191
01:56:30,090 --> 01:56:32,450
Resovations for May?

1192
01:56:32,970 --> 01:56:33,430
No.

1193
01:56:34,190 --> 01:56:35,290
You wanted July, sorry.

1194
01:56:35,290 --> 01:56:35,390
All right.

1195
01:56:36,930 --> 01:56:42,630
Reservation fees was $1,540 altogether.

1196
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:42,970
Okay.

1197
01:56:47,580 --> 01:56:50,380
Historically, those are from the garden center, correct?

1198
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:53,080
Yes, those are from the garden center.

1199
01:56:53,620 --> 01:56:55,380
Historically, July, the summer months

1200
01:56:55,380 --> 01:56:57,720
have been our best months for the garden center.

1201
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:00,640
Is that in part or am I mistaken?

1202
01:57:01,260 --> 01:57:01,800
No, it's not.

1203
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:07,820
I think July was roughly historically, I think,

1204
01:57:07,820 --> 01:57:24,800
Between three and five thousand a month. I don't need to lie there best month. What I've seen is it's more like the shoulder, so like the bad weather time, so like February March were better and then like September October.

1205
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:32,580
I have a godsendern analysis on revenue, I can look it up.

1206
01:57:33,140 --> 01:57:39,780
And I also take it right now, the current center has that kids camp, and they pretty much

1207
01:57:39,780 --> 01:57:41,640
take up Monday through Friday.

1208
01:57:42,220 --> 01:57:47,940
So there's no option to rent it to others, and they kind of paid up front, so we may not

1209
01:57:47,940 --> 01:57:48,640
see that.

1210
01:57:49,420 --> 01:57:52,900
Ah, that's probably...

1211
01:57:52,900 --> 01:57:59,300
I think in March or May. So we've got high revenue then, but that's been

1212
01:58:02,100 --> 01:58:20,180
just to edify everyone on approval accounting. The accountant should have looked at the period of performance across that revenue amount that was made up front and accrued it across the months that it hit.

1213
01:58:20,180 --> 01:58:28,040
So we wouldn't see the lump in us in revenue that we are seeing today because I think you

1214
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:36,760
were on the email shahan about how to justification on why they won't do that.

1215
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:46,460
So certainly reservations the money in our website for the garden center and then there's

1216
01:58:46,460 --> 01:58:47,740
only a payout every month.

1217
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:55,360
And so really, they only see kind of one lump sum coming in and the actual tracking

1218
01:58:55,360 --> 01:59:01,320
of individual payments is in Wix, but they really just get a lump sum of reservations

1219
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:03,600
from the Guardian Center.

1220
01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:06,420
Yeah, and I don't blame them.

1221
01:59:06,620 --> 01:59:09,420
It's a lack of information on their side.

1222
01:59:09,420 --> 01:59:15,440
We could have done a better job at communicating and saying, hey, this lump sum is accompanied

1223
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:22,820
by this contract that spans three months or divide the amount of money by those three months,

1224
01:59:22,820 --> 01:59:27,020
if they don't know to do that, they can't accrue across that.

1225
01:59:29,860 --> 01:59:32,060
In an ideal world, we wouldn't see

1226
01:59:32,060 --> 01:59:39,220
this lumpiness. Again, I thought because of the camp July was always a good month because it was

1227
01:59:39,220 --> 01:59:48,720
booked five years a week it was but they but they paid all the money in so we

1228
01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:58,670
don't see it appear in July because we don't do a lot of it as well but we can

1229
01:59:58,670 --> 01:59:59,970
look at the up.

1230
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:12,280
And we've only only have information from like last April. So we would say we only have one year of record. Yes.

1231
02:00:17,140 --> 02:00:21,400
So do I have a motion on our financials?

1232
02:00:28,410 --> 02:00:41,210
I'll move to approve the May and June financials. Okay. Motion by Jackie. Do I have a second? Second. Thanks Eric. All in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you.

1233
02:00:41,210 --> 02:00:50,810
and Patrick raised his hand. Thanks, Patrick. Again, for just informational Salt Lake County,

1234
02:00:52,910 --> 02:01:00,850
similarly, prepares budgets of their expenditures. They are all showing preliminary,

1235
02:01:01,270 --> 02:01:04,690
we don't vote on these anyways. This is just for us to be tracking, but

1236
02:01:05,850 --> 02:01:13,770
and for some transparency. So we are able to see this is July's.

1237
02:01:16,970 --> 02:01:19,510
You know, what's what their

1238
02:01:19,510 --> 02:01:25,110
expenditures are. So not exactly the same as ours, but there is the all that you do,

1239
02:01:25,230 --> 02:01:27,550
Shahana. I don't know why I'm talking. You could go.

1240
02:01:33,530 --> 02:01:34,570
You're on mute, Shahana.

1241
02:01:36,930 --> 02:01:38,530
My apologies. I was talking

1242
02:01:38,530 --> 02:01:47,650
all this time. I was wondering why Jackie was not why I was not being asked to speak.

1243
02:01:48,670 --> 02:01:54,050
But basically the county provides us reporting on their actuals.

1244
02:01:55,770 --> 02:02:02,430
These upper-liminary numbers, their subject to change, which is why Patrick, I sent Amy,

1245
02:02:02,430 --> 02:02:09,930
a pretty big list of questions. Last night, I was going to take a time, I understand

1246
02:02:09,930 --> 02:02:16,630
its preliminary, and I just wanted to understand some of the fluctuations that I could see

1247
02:02:16,980 --> 02:02:23,990
from the reports. But it's basically what the county is spending on service in the city,

1248
02:02:23,990 --> 02:02:36,650
in the back every month. Some of the things that I noticed, the county was accruing

1249
02:02:37,030 --> 02:02:44,870
at certain expenses, and I wondered at what point we drew up those expenses. I also noticed

1250
02:02:44,870 --> 02:02:51,030
is that some of the labor costs were burning higher than the amount of pay periods that

1251
02:02:52,830 --> 02:03:00,430
that wouldn't have gone through through this through the through July, I believe. Those

1252
02:03:00,430 --> 02:03:10,280
are questions that I have out to the county and expect to hear back when they have answers.

1253
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:20,060
Sure, the county holds the Pavilion Rantles revenue.

1254
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:24,080
When did they revenue is not included in this list?

1255
02:03:24,780 --> 02:03:26,060
Okay, understood.

1256
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:28,740
When did they hand out the revenue to us?

1257
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:31,220
Is it at the end of the year or the twice a year?

1258
02:03:31,340 --> 02:03:37,680
No, no, no. It's one lump payment at the end of the start of next year, I believe.

1259
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:44,580
We get the key one of next year, we will get the money, we get the money, okay.

1260
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:59,420
It could be helpful, I don't know, we see what revenues earned, you know, after the end of the season.

1261
02:03:59,420 --> 02:04:10,440
but I think Chris has gone now. I wanted to and Diane, but I know that they changed to a new

1262
02:04:10,440 --> 02:04:16,820
booking system and Diane sent me, you know, things to change on our website to get people to the

1263
02:04:16,820 --> 02:04:23,380
right spot and we've worked on their website. For instance, adding Sugar House Park to the name of

1264
02:04:23,380 --> 02:04:29,540
the pavilions because they are all the county. And so people have to know the pavilion name

1265
02:04:29,540 --> 02:04:36,780
to rent one of our pavilions, right? So they have to know, oh, I want Fabian. You know,

1266
02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:44,680
you can search Sugar House Park and find the pavilion. So I will anticipate that we will

1267
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:53,860
have lower rentals this year, even with all of our pavilions online. I heard that it

1268
02:04:53,860 --> 02:04:58,720
seemed to be less than usual, and it could be the times, it could be financial strain

1269
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:04,940
as well. I mean there's lots of reasons, maybe people just, you know, we'll find a free

1270
02:05:04,940 --> 02:05:12,400
space instead of renting the pavilion, but we are working on the reservation system.

1271
02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:22,220
If it is the heat and the fire smoke and the you know there's tons of reasons.

1272
02:05:22,900 --> 02:05:22,960
Yeah.

1273
02:05:23,180 --> 02:05:25,920
That barbecue and two that's going on.

1274
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:28,040
The killing is an attraction.

1275
02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:32,820
From the barbecue is definitely wearing off.

1276
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:37,800
I would go I would if I see a barbecue in the park I would go say hi.

1277
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:45,760
with the hope of a rib. But that said, Patrick, if there is a report

1278
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:52,560
the county can run for us for every month, what is happening with the

1279
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:56,580
pavilions, that will be fantastic. I mean, a pavilion rentals.

1280
02:05:57,020 --> 02:06:00,700
Yeah, or even poorly be nice too, just to know how we're doing per quarter.

1281
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:02,740
Just what's going on? Are we?

1282
02:06:03,700 --> 02:06:10,640
Yeah. Yeah, we can't if it's not too much of an administrative but. Well, we can

1283
02:06:10,640 --> 02:06:20,560
just run a report. That sounds easy, but it is. We need the information because we can't

1284
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:30,640
plan. We can't plan if we don't know how it's going. We can't respond until six months later.

1285
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:40,060
not that it's easy to respond in real time, but we need that information and just for

1286
02:06:40,060 --> 02:06:48,140
a point of reference, Shahan, I have crashed two barbecues, made of friends, when I was

1287
02:06:48,140 --> 02:06:56,540
doing research for the playground, let me tell you the Turks do some gray grilling, but

1288
02:06:56,540 --> 02:07:05,180
But so the people from the Middle East in general, wow, it's like they're so hospitable.

1289
02:07:05,560 --> 02:07:10,200
I just said, oh, I want to ask you some questions, you know, we're looking at what we're

1290
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:13,360
doing, blah, blah, blah, people are so generous.

1291
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:20,140
And I think they like to be acknowledged that, you know, that we're concerned about the

1292
02:07:20,140 --> 02:07:22,280
quality of their experience, too.

1293
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:27,420
Absolutely. I will take your lead, Richard.

1294
02:07:29,100 --> 02:07:29,740
Go for it.

1295
02:07:29,900 --> 02:07:31,020
I'm going to buy the path.

1296
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:33,540
Have you?

1297
02:07:33,580 --> 02:07:34,200
Very recipe.

1298
02:07:35,460 --> 02:07:36,480
Sorry, I'm just trying.

1299
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:37,660
I know we.

1300
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,880
How's the reservation system going for the whole.

1301
02:07:42,700 --> 02:07:43,220
Counties.

1302
02:07:44,540 --> 02:07:45,560
Oh, I don't know.

1303
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:47,000
Oh, okay.

1304
02:07:47,260 --> 02:07:51,460
It's super sophisticated and really cool and much better than what it used to be.

1305
02:07:51,460 --> 02:07:53,500
It sounds like it's harder in some ways, though.

1306
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:57,780
So yeah, I will say getting reports has been harder.

1307
02:07:58,140 --> 02:08:02,880
So yeah, we'll figure out a way to get the report that we'll, we can figure that

1308
02:08:05,020 --> 02:08:05,160
out.

1309
02:08:05,480 --> 02:08:14,100
So we're on item seven, the Sugar House Park Authority budget.

1310
02:08:14,100 --> 02:08:17,420
So this is this calendar year, 2026.

1311
02:08:26,280 --> 02:08:28,080
Yeah, so

1312
02:08:32,520 --> 02:08:46,960
we had a number of what the operations and maintenance for this calendar year was and our budget that was approved was $532,000.

1313
02:08:46,960 --> 02:09:00,010
The city had appropriated a slightly smaller amount by $31 less, which overall is $62

1314
02:09:00,010 --> 02:09:01,530
between both entities.

1315
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:13,940
So this budget item is just to update that amount to show what is actually going to be

1316
02:09:13,940 --> 02:09:22,820
requested from the city for what they approved and then we'll ask for the 50% match from the county,

1317
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:30,360
which means overall the county will in our payment to Salt Lake County will have an updated

1318
02:09:30,980 --> 02:09:31,820
budget amount.

1319
02:09:34,700 --> 02:09:41,680
So I put it here because I don't know if we if we have to approve a change like

1320
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:49,080
this and vote on it. It was also to make you guys all aware and have an informal meeting.

1321
02:09:49,420 --> 02:10:00,760
This is, this is diminimous. It's $61 of 1.7 million total budget, right? Even higher

1322
02:10:00,760 --> 02:10:06,940
with CIT. I think it's important for Patrick to know so that he knows his county is going to have to

1323
02:10:06,940 --> 02:10:10,680
absolves $61 worth of costs. You're okay with that, Patrick.

1324
02:10:16,220 --> 02:10:19,180
I think we just think he might have

1325
02:10:19,180 --> 02:10:29,300
painted. I think we just observed it. Okay, sounds good. Just instantly. My only thing is since we're

1326
02:10:29,300 --> 02:10:42,480
talking about it, we haven't really had to pay that $5.33 to public utilities because you're negotiating

1327
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:44,800
in. Is that true?

1328
02:10:47,590 --> 02:10:52,870
This isn't about the water. We never paid any money for the water bill.

1329
02:10:53,490 --> 02:11:02,070
Okay. I just in one of the ones, one of the documents, like maybe two before that was listed.

1330
02:11:02,910 --> 02:11:07,230
That's just why I mentioned that. I think it's in the county budgets, right?

1331
02:11:13,870 --> 02:11:14,510
Because they

1332
02:11:17,590 --> 02:11:26,410
from the city for 50% because they knew or had an agreement to work it out so

1333
02:11:29,700 --> 02:11:39,280
this adjustment is only for operations and maintenance, which is what we would, the services were paying the county to provide.

1334
02:11:40,760 --> 02:11:48,960
Yeah, my opinion is no budget adjustment for $31 or $62. We'll treat it as a variance.

1335
02:11:50,020 --> 02:12:01,080
Okay, so that's what's below on on here is just the invoice that adjusted. So again, it was

1336
02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:11,860
is originally like 500 or sorry, 266,000 per entity which we took down to 265, 969.

1337
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:15,840
The invoice has been sent to the county and the city.

1338
02:12:16,520 --> 02:12:23,100
Both of them will pay us and then we pay the county at the end of the calendar year.

1339
02:12:23,100 --> 02:12:24,240
What

1340
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:36,600
I will note, Shahan especially and the account answer where when we sent the invoice

1341
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:45,620
to Salt Lake City, we did identify that credit from last year of $20,000, which was sitting

1342
02:12:45,620 --> 02:12:52,940
on our statements for a long time, and Kim, this is what Greg recommended as the best way

1343
02:12:52,940 --> 02:13:03,480
to account for that. It was that the city in the ONN from 2025 had paid 20,000 more than the county.

1344
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:10,060
And so we held that and we're actually giving you a credit on this year's operations and maintenance.

1345
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:15,800
Thank you. I appreciate you putting that in the formal record too. That helps us. Thanks.

1346
02:13:16,120 --> 02:13:21,400
Yes. Yeah. I appreciate that even more because that 20,000 has been sitting in our

1347
02:13:21,400 --> 02:13:25,440
books for an year, more than a year, ridiculous.

1348
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:30,100
So here it is, it's going to be cleared off this year.

1349
02:13:33,610 --> 02:13:37,010
And then another great piece with the budget.

1350
02:13:39,970 --> 02:13:45,990
There was the county, did a budget amendment in June.

1351
02:13:46,350 --> 02:13:51,070
It was just a technical error that a capital project

1352
02:13:51,070 --> 02:13:55,250
from 2025,

1353
02:14:01,330 --> 02:14:07,670
2026, this year's budget. It was a technical error that they fixed.

1354
02:14:07,970 --> 02:14:14,470
And so now that it's formally adjusted in the budget, and I'll show you here, page 45,

1355
02:14:15,010 --> 02:14:21,910
it was the Sugar House Park hidden Grove pedestrian railing.

1356
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:26,170
So again, this was money when we're talking about money being held forever.

1357
02:14:26,730 --> 02:14:31,310
I don't know how long the counties had this money Patrick that's been just going forward.

1358
02:14:31,970 --> 02:14:33,490
We asked for additional money.

1359
02:14:34,030 --> 02:14:38,430
The city allocated it, but the budget didn't quite match.

1360
02:14:38,890 --> 02:14:42,430
The county did this amendment adjustment in June.

1361
02:14:42,870 --> 02:14:48,130
I've provided this to the city now as record that the county allocated the funds.

1362
02:14:48,130 --> 02:14:55,370
sent the invoice to the Salt Lake City, so we will have this year the funds to replace

1363
02:14:55,370 --> 02:14:59,850
the railing and part of the project was

1364
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:17,320
It's adding a sidewalk from the parking lot. So this is by the basketball court, from the parking lot by the basketball court, a sidewalk that takes you to the pedestrian bridge, and then will replace the railing.

1365
02:15:19,720 --> 02:15:20,400
Awesome.

1366
02:15:24,110 --> 02:15:32,350
I told Dan about the money was coming so that we can move forward with getting selected the railing.

1367
02:15:32,350 --> 02:15:40,270
and contractor. All of that. So these are here. Again, the invoice, the remittance letter,

1368
02:15:40,270 --> 02:15:42,810
and the county's adjusted budget.

1369
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:48,560
I don't think it's about voting item just because this is

1370
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:58,180
previously approved information. Okay agenda item eight. I was probably going to put something

1371
02:15:58,180 --> 02:16:04,120
there. There's nothing there, according to my agenda. So I just put error. I don't think we have

1372
02:16:04,120 --> 02:16:05,020
anything for eight.

1373
02:16:08,940 --> 02:16:16,500
Is that what everyone else sees right? Okay. Okay. So we're getting down to

1374
02:16:17,640 --> 02:16:20,520
just general updates. So we

1375
02:16:24,810 --> 02:16:27,890
heard about the pond. That was one thing here. General updates is

1376
02:16:27,890 --> 02:16:36,070
the pond. I added in here this link and I think I shared it with you. It's just a record on our

1377
02:16:36,070 --> 02:16:41,810
website of the information the county prepared as far as where the water from the stream comes from.

1378
02:16:41,810 --> 02:16:43,610
and what does it mean to drain?

1379
02:16:44,350 --> 02:16:47,750
And this was reviewed, thanks Kim,

1380
02:16:47,930 --> 02:16:48,970
by public utilities,

1381
02:16:50,290 --> 02:16:51,870
to make sure it was accurate.

1382
02:16:53,070 --> 02:16:55,370
New signage was made to be more accurate.

1383
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:58,490
And I appreciate both the city and the county

1384
02:17:00,030 --> 02:17:03,410
on the font and the, you know,

1385
02:17:03,610 --> 02:17:04,890
many eyes on it.

1386
02:17:04,970 --> 02:17:05,910
So we've gotten a lot of,

1387
02:17:06,010 --> 02:17:08,930
a lot of stuff about the products.

1388
02:17:08,930 --> 02:17:15,650
So, thankful for additional efforts being made to help them.

1389
02:17:18,680 --> 02:17:19,860
Natural selection.

1390
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:26,040
Sugarhouse Garden Center management.

1391
02:17:26,540 --> 02:17:35,040
So, they've done several things already in the building just as far as fixing things as they break,

1392
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:41,260
coordinating with, you know, the Wasatch Kids Camp and just general inquiries.

1393
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:51,700
They've also had at no cost specialties come in to evaluate the building.

1394
02:17:52,300 --> 02:17:57,560
So in September, especially meeting in the building, it will be really good to compare

1395
02:17:57,560 --> 02:18:06,440
where these cost estimates as far as, you know, the heating, cooling, the water heater,

1396
02:18:07,440 --> 02:18:09,760
and then other stuff like replacing.

1397
02:18:10,400 --> 02:18:14,440
I know we get spent money on plumbing, and those are for the toilets, but the men's

1398
02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:22,980
urinal is an issue, and the general, like, the ceiling tiles, fixing those walls that are

1399
02:18:22,980 --> 02:18:25,380
melting and stuff like that.

1400
02:18:25,380 --> 02:18:30,080
So they've been working to have a review of the building so that we have a lot of

1401
02:18:32,220 --> 02:18:41,800
cost to determine and prioritize. So plan on that. I did put or I can share those so that you

1402
02:18:41,800 --> 02:18:48,060
guys have time to look over on, especially if you want to ask any questions that could be addressed

1403
02:18:48,060 --> 02:18:49,120
before September.

1404
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:58,780
My request to them will be to help us prioritize and say like, for example,

1405
02:18:58,940 --> 02:19:03,840
I know they said that the water heater like is pretty urgent. So like, you know, what would they

1406
02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:10,060
say is at the top of the list is first critical. And then also, you know, maybe some on the aesthetic

1407
02:19:10,060 --> 02:19:13,640
excited that's like this would really, you know, help the appeal of the building.

1408
02:19:15,500 --> 02:19:22,080
Are questions from Richard? Do you expect them? Are you going to ask them to present

1409
02:19:22,080 --> 02:19:23,920
or we're just going to deal?

1410
02:19:26,520 --> 02:19:35,480
We could if you want or they're not doing the work so I don't know if

1411
02:19:35,480 --> 02:19:40,660
will be able to answer specific questions, but they would be overseeing the work we decide,

1412
02:19:40,700 --> 02:19:42,980
but we could have them there if you want to

1413
02:19:46,120 --> 02:19:47,960
ask if they're available.

1414
02:19:51,820 --> 02:19:54,080
Or if you don't think that's necessary, it's fine.

1415
02:20:01,510 --> 02:20:10,790
With this as a reminder, and this is maybe an adjustment in the budget shahan of 2026, but

1416
02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:18,670
But you may recall that we approved some money and we talked and we have the budget of

1417
02:20:18,670 --> 02:20:21,290
like, here's what we could spend and so keep our reserves.

1418
02:20:21,850 --> 02:20:30,570
I think it was $80,000, so that's kind of, I guess, remembering that that's the amount

1419
02:20:30,570 --> 02:20:37,560
we said was safe to expend being very conservative.

1420
02:20:40,420 --> 02:20:40,480
Yes.

1421
02:20:40,480 --> 02:20:40,880
Study, right?

1422
02:20:40,920 --> 02:20:41,540
Is that study?

1423
02:20:43,400 --> 02:20:51,220
So as a reminder, we put that in the ZAP application, we've now been not, you know, we're

1424
02:20:51,220 --> 02:20:59,040
not going forward with consideration, so that money now is open to our read budgeting.

1425
02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:09,840
Yeah, so I think what we can do is we can, as a board, we probably should have a process

1426
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:30,310
where the board members can put in what they'd like to see, the discretionary funds being utilized for and then we should take those into account and redo the worksheet that I put to understand.

1427
02:21:30,310 --> 02:21:36,010
and basically poke off the way our cash balance is going to be

1428
02:21:36,010 --> 02:21:40,670
and then get comfortable with it as a board.

1429
02:21:42,840 --> 02:21:45,240
And so how do you foresee that, Shahan?

1430
02:21:45,420 --> 02:21:47,660
Is it, are we doing it in a meeting?

1431
02:21:48,480 --> 02:21:50,400
Like next time I can prepare with that?

1432
02:21:50,620 --> 02:21:51,080
Or are we?

1433
02:21:51,640 --> 02:21:51,840
Correct.

1434
02:21:52,380 --> 02:21:53,400
I think we do it in a meeting.

1435
02:21:53,620 --> 02:21:54,780
Same way we did it last time.

1436
02:21:54,920 --> 02:21:59,140
I think we just, last time we just had one item

1437
02:21:59,140 --> 02:22:00,640
that was being input there.

1438
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:05,740
I think now we have a tool that we can utilize.

1439
02:22:06,620 --> 02:22:08,640
We open it up to the rest of the board.

1440
02:22:09,080 --> 02:22:10,560
It's the board's discretionary funds,

1441
02:22:10,980 --> 02:22:12,840
it's this authority's discretionary funds,

1442
02:22:13,260 --> 02:22:15,360
everyone needs to be able to get a say

1443
02:22:15,980 --> 02:22:17,460
in what to use those for.

1444
02:22:21,810 --> 02:22:25,010
So Richard may have a request

1445
02:22:25,010 --> 02:22:30,190
and if anyone else has something they want to present

1446
02:22:30,190 --> 02:22:33,770
to the board for discretionary funds,

1447
02:22:33,770 --> 02:22:35,950
that prepare for December.

1448
02:22:37,630 --> 02:22:40,870
Much funding that we have available with discretionary.

1449
02:22:41,910 --> 02:22:42,370
We don't know.

1450
02:22:42,930 --> 02:22:44,670
We don't know we have to do the math.

1451
02:22:45,070 --> 02:22:46,950
It's it's a it's a.

1452
02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:48,910
It was with our bank balance.

1453
02:22:50,090 --> 02:22:50,850
So what's our.

1454
02:22:54,250 --> 02:22:56,110
Technically we are at.

1455
02:22:58,210 --> 02:23:03,390
130 plus 740, but that's our total.

1456
02:23:04,210 --> 02:23:10,950
Are you based off July or June or July, July's bank balance cash balance?

1457
02:23:12,570 --> 02:23:19,150
So remember that I just she I think we'll bring that up right Shahan and say here's the

1458
02:23:19,150 --> 02:23:26,210
current balance and then you have the percentages of like savings and and then we'll have a

1459
02:23:26,210 --> 02:23:29,710
new figure which we said we'd look at this quarterly.

1460
02:23:29,710 --> 02:23:33,310
So September is a good time to look at it.

1461
02:23:34,370 --> 02:23:47,430
We'll do the worksheet in September to understand where we want to want our budget or our cash balance to be at the end of the year.

1462
02:23:48,470 --> 02:23:53,930
And then understand how much we can utilize for discretionary funding.

1463
02:23:57,550 --> 02:23:58,910
I think that was on the budget summary.

1464
02:24:00,210 --> 02:24:02,390
No, it was a completely separate vote sheet.

1465
02:24:03,510 --> 02:24:04,810
Oh, okay.

1466
02:24:09,690 --> 02:24:10,170
All right.

1467
02:24:11,810 --> 02:24:13,270
Anything else on that one?

1468
02:24:17,230 --> 02:24:17,350
Okay.

1469
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:22,620
Land water conservation fund.

1470
02:24:22,840 --> 02:24:29,310
So this, this is tied and wrapped into the conversation

1471
02:24:29,310 --> 02:24:30,870
happening with attorneys.

1472
02:24:31,490 --> 02:24:39,380
So we have land in our fast board member lawyer.

1473
02:24:39,380 --> 02:24:50,480
lawyer working on our behalf just staying up to speed with what the city and the county are working

1474
02:24:52,590 --> 02:25:03,530
on researching, they're doing a, you know, we kind of have several things they're looking at and part of that is the Landwater Conservation Fund.

1475
02:25:03,530 --> 02:25:05,170
And so

1476
02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:10,900
there will be future expenses from him for his time.

1477
02:25:10,900 --> 02:25:12,780
He's not taking an active role.

1478
02:25:12,900 --> 02:25:19,380
He's just staying current with what the city and the county discussions are on our behalf.

1479
02:25:20,320 --> 02:25:28,360
And so we're very much waiting for a consensus from them.

1480
02:25:28,680 --> 02:25:33,970
And I'm sure we'll have an update on a few things in the future.

1481
02:25:34,450 --> 02:25:35,450
What are we talking about?

1482
02:25:35,870 --> 02:25:36,930
What's the conversation?

1483
02:25:36,930 --> 02:25:38,930
What is the top there?

1484
02:25:40,410 --> 02:25:44,410
Well, it's partial about

1485
02:25:45,770 --> 02:25:49,090
land water conservation and

1486
02:25:49,090 --> 02:25:53,230
addressing the parcels of South Salt Lake

1487
02:25:53,230 --> 02:25:56,390
and about the legal

1488
02:25:56,390 --> 02:26:01,770
definitions of the park authority

1489
02:26:01,770 --> 02:26:03,730
and the city and the counties involvement.

1490
02:26:04,430 --> 02:26:05,750
So it's pretty broad.

1491
02:26:05,750 --> 02:26:07,570
I think they're talking about all of that.

1492
02:26:08,750 --> 02:26:09,390
Okay,

1493
02:26:16,370 --> 02:26:26,420
they're all intertwined so similarly land is there just to help with these discussions

1494
02:26:26,420 --> 02:26:33,520
as they figure out this this three way agreement and the responsibility and the historical

1495
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:38,380
records that sitting in the county have and so

1496
02:26:44,300 --> 02:26:49,800
we'll hear more about it as again as decision

1497
02:26:49,800 --> 02:26:51,980
are made or progress is made.

1498
02:26:57,660 --> 02:27:00,940
I know we also have you down on the security

1499
02:27:02,300 --> 02:27:09,260
civ anything you want to update on security or any events in the park. No major

1500
02:27:09,260 --> 02:27:13,820
events in the park other than just a lot of people at nighttime when the cops

1501
02:27:13,820 --> 02:27:18,740
come around nine o'clock at night there's just a lot of people let out cars so

1502
02:27:18,740 --> 02:27:24,260
they're queuing away because I assume they just come after the week when they

1503
02:27:24,260 --> 02:27:30,960
start screwing off. So they're not kicking people out at nine. No, they're not,

1504
02:27:30,980 --> 02:27:38,400
but they're coming around doing for a couple hours. So I don't think they're

1505
02:27:38,400 --> 02:27:42,760
kicking around. They just drive around the park around nine o'clock. And they

1506
02:27:42,760 --> 02:27:44,660
if they just check out where the people are,

1507
02:27:44,820 --> 02:27:48,440
there's no issues that that warrants.

1508
02:27:49,260 --> 02:27:49,380
Yeah.

1509
02:27:53,500 --> 02:27:57,080
Any other, because now we've cut back

1510
02:27:57,080 --> 02:28:03,080
on the proxy security to, I believe, once a week.

1511
02:28:03,860 --> 02:28:07,140
If I'm not mistaken, have we heard from residents?

1512
02:28:07,400 --> 02:28:09,740
Have we heard from anyone that says there's more homeless?

1513
02:28:09,740 --> 02:28:15,320
There's more, you know, I have been online.

1514
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:16,200
More things happening.

1515
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:21,300
You know, like social or website.

1516
02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:26,020
The conversation, mostly what I'm hearing is water issues.

1517
02:28:27,160 --> 02:28:30,620
And the ducks and the sick and dying ducks.

1518
02:28:31,100 --> 02:28:37,980
So the speeding and the, you know,

1519
02:28:37,980 --> 02:28:44,760
drug use or anything like that has not been taken to us to our accounts reported.

1520
02:28:45,460 --> 02:28:51,000
That's a patch of question for incidents. What are if there's any increase in

1521
02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:55,300
incidents of people calling and police departments and whatnot. So I know that's

1522
02:28:55,300 --> 02:29:00,300
that was one of the things we're counting to address because you guys come at

1523
02:29:00,300 --> 02:29:07,020
night time and just try to get people out out of the park. No, they were now

1524
02:29:07,020 --> 02:29:18,220
reported incidents of tomato? How did the holiday go, Patrick? Did you guys have any fireworks

1525
02:29:18,220 --> 02:29:19,280
or fires?

1526
02:29:22,620 --> 02:29:24,980
Nothing was reported to me, so no.

1527
02:29:33,010 --> 02:29:41,090
So 1700 east, a little update on that is that I've

1528
02:29:41,090 --> 02:29:54,750
But I've been talking with them in relation to our culinary water line, so that we can make sure one of the elements of the culinary water line is it making a new pipe that goes all the way to 17th East and

1529
02:29:54,750 --> 02:29:56,590
connecting to the water line up there.

1530
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:24,060
I was told that the 1700 E3 construction is more likely 2028 now, and that there is going to be some public utilities work. And can maybe you know any anticipated work, but that public utilities will be doing some update in 1700?

1531
02:30:26,720 --> 02:30:30,800
Yeah, I can look into that. I'm not aware of a timeline for that work.

1532
02:30:30,800 --> 02:30:33,120
So I'm happy to be back to the board next month.

1533
02:30:34,180 --> 02:30:41,320
Okay, great. So yeah, I think, um, and again, I know that the consultant was the culinary

1534
02:30:41,320 --> 02:30:46,760
water lines talking to public utilities, but it was just coordinating where this T junction

1535
02:30:46,760 --> 02:30:53,060
was and then it wanted to affect, you know, public utilities future work or the road reconstruction

1536
02:30:53,980 --> 02:30:59,100
on this placement, you know, if they picked the wrong spot and then it turns out it has to

1537
02:30:59,100 --> 02:31:01,140
be moved or something later.

1538
02:31:04,380 --> 02:31:08,240
So everyone's aware of it and I just make making sure they

1539
02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:10,320
all know and plan accordingly.

1540
02:31:16,660 --> 02:31:20,460
For ongoing business I think we're having a tree planting

1541
02:31:20,460 --> 02:31:26,280
event in the park in October. I think it's going to be October 3rd but you'll get an invite.

1542
02:31:28,940 --> 02:31:35,620
It isn't multi-sive. It's going to be actual tree planting if you guys want to come.

1543
02:31:38,460 --> 02:31:51,760
So that is one event and then also tree Utah has wants to do a tree planting on the West

1544
02:31:51,760 --> 02:31:55,840
Hill engaging students from Highland High School and others.

1545
02:31:59,860 --> 02:32:02,860
I don't have a timeline on the Hill.

1546
02:32:03,080 --> 02:32:05,280
I haven't asked about the progress on that.

1547
02:32:05,380 --> 02:32:06,800
I'm sure everyone's seeing it.

1548
02:32:06,800 --> 02:32:14,800
but I'll have that in September. We'll all ask about what they expect for completion of that.

1549
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:22,740
I know the contract gave them up to two years. So, you know, we're only, we're four months into that.

1550
02:32:22,920 --> 02:32:24,280
So it could be a while longer.

1551
02:32:27,240 --> 02:32:35,640
But the West Hill is another one of the things I'm hearing from people

1552
02:32:35,640 --> 02:32:41,280
is upset about the loss of the trees and and

1553
02:32:43,390 --> 02:32:47,750
we all were and I think we all know

1554
02:32:47,750 --> 02:32:55,250
what the why a decision was made to prevent you know a large retaining wall. But

1555
02:32:55,250 --> 02:33:00,210
that West Hill replanting or the trees there I'd like to really extend to the

1556
02:33:00,210 --> 02:33:04,070
public too and hope that people see that we're bringing back more trees there

1557
02:33:04,070 --> 02:33:04,970
in the future.

1558
02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:14,110
So that's one thing. Website, you can look for them here.

1559
02:33:16,420 --> 02:33:17,660
I thought it was

1560
02:33:17,660 --> 02:33:25,960
interesting to see this is our July website. So the sugarhousepark.org website,

1561
02:33:25,960 --> 02:33:34,800
traffic in July and specifically I wanted to point out that we had a spike of

1562
02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:45,540
visitors on July 4th. We had 271 sessions on that day and emailed me because

1563
02:33:45,540 --> 02:33:53,000
it was such an unusual rise in website traffic and I say this because I think

1564
02:33:53,000 --> 02:34:02,800
it's and I heard from people as you know people ask me if the park is doing fireworks this year

1565
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:08,040
and people comment about it and we get tagged is like hey you gotta go see the fireworks in Sugar

1566
02:34:08,040 --> 02:34:17,460
House Park that I think we have an opportunity to bring back an event at Sugar House Park in the

1567
02:34:17,460 --> 02:34:27,340
future and I think this speaks to people wanting a spot for some of these bigger holidays

1568
02:34:27,340 --> 02:34:35,720
and like people to think about that and this just shows that people are they still have

1569
02:34:35,720 --> 02:34:41,180
a memory of it or they think that there's something happening there and traffic proves

1570
02:34:41,180 --> 02:34:46,560
it that they were looking for what was happening on July 4th at Sugar House Park.

1571
02:34:49,380 --> 02:34:53,700
I don't have the Garn Center statistics here.

1572
02:34:54,120 --> 02:35:02,380
They definitely don't get as much traffic there as the Park website itself, but I will

1573
02:35:02,380 --> 02:35:03,500
put things there in the future.

1574
02:35:03,500 --> 02:35:04,460
All

1575
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:13,160
right, any other board business at all items?

1576
02:35:16,560 --> 02:35:23,200
I was surprised to see the baseball field, how the construction is big.

1577
02:35:24,100 --> 02:35:32,400
It's pretty impressive and I know they overtook the parking lot for the availability next to it for staging and stuff like that.

1578
02:35:32,400 --> 02:35:37,120
But it's pretty massive. What's going on? The polls that are up there.

1579
02:35:43,740 --> 02:35:49,760
I don't know if they're going to cut it down or something or but they got a big fencing that's going to be built around.

1580
02:35:51,220 --> 02:35:56,880
So there's just a lot of construction that and the high school, they're just we're under a lot of constructions these days.

1581
02:35:56,880 --> 02:35:57,940
Yeah,

1582
02:36:01,910 --> 02:36:09,350
and they, you know, as some sort of comp, as compensation, we did charge them a fee for the

1583
02:36:09,350 --> 02:36:19,330
disturbance to Mount Olympus and hidden growth. So that, I guess, that will also affect the

1584
02:36:19,330 --> 02:36:26,590
reservation amount because we, those aren't open. And so when we, our reservation fees next year

1585
02:36:26,590 --> 02:36:33,850
come in lower, that'll contribute. On the other side, we've put that into the

1586
02:36:33,850 --> 02:36:39,550
amount from the school district. I don't know how that looks. Shahan and

1587
02:36:39,550 --> 02:36:41,830
you know, it wasn't applied to reservations.

1588
02:36:46,180 --> 02:36:47,580
I don't know if we want to change

1589
02:36:47,580 --> 02:36:52,920
that, but we're going to see a hit from... I know Hidden Grove is a very popular

1590
02:36:52,920 --> 02:36:58,400
one. It's like second I think is like after it's like big field then hit and

1591
02:36:58,400 --> 02:37:05,100
grove and so it's a big. It was one of our better pavilions.

1592
02:37:06,440 --> 02:37:13,500
You know how long the anticipate is going to take for them to build that? How many how much longer the construction is going to go on?

1593
02:37:14,020 --> 02:37:18,140
For the hill? No, for the for the baseball, baseball

1594
02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:23,200
that one they want they're supposed to get sought in this fall because it has to

1595
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:29,220
take and they want to start on it in February. Okay, so I should be on

1596
02:37:29,220 --> 02:37:31,940
hopefully in a month or so. Good. Yeah. Yep.

1597
02:37:37,790 --> 02:37:41,670
On the other side, Patrick, you know,

1598
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:45,830
talked with DAI and Jenna. How much are you involved? I don't think you are with the

1599
02:37:45,830 --> 02:37:52,370
booking system, but getting... We'll have to adjust. Currently our multi-use

1600
02:37:52,370 --> 02:37:57,770
fields that the open line areas are through the special events and I don't know if that's how we

1601
02:37:57,770 --> 02:38:05,710
want to do the softball field or Patrick if this goes into the softball field booking system

1602
02:38:06,350 --> 02:38:14,190
with your other other locations and then how you guys figure out the earnings for the park but

1603
02:38:17,330 --> 02:38:23,750
I would like to get that set up so that we could start, you know, renting that since

1604
02:38:23,750 --> 02:38:27,930
it's shared use with the school district.

1605
02:38:28,530 --> 02:38:30,610
Well, but softball, I think, starts earlier.

1606
02:38:30,890 --> 02:38:36,330
So maybe people that the 12 month reservation and people use

1607
02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:39,580
it earlier.

1608
02:38:40,200 --> 02:38:41,060
It could be.

1609
02:38:41,340 --> 02:38:41,420
Yep.

1610
02:38:41,420 --> 02:38:42,060
So

1611
02:38:46,790 --> 02:38:54,110
hopefully, you know, during our discussions on if we would replace it with a softball field,

1612
02:38:54,270 --> 02:38:58,810
I did ask Beehive Sports who does the kickball in the park.

1613
02:38:59,210 --> 02:39:04,310
They have a softball league and so they'd be interested.

1614
02:39:04,310 --> 02:39:06,630
So that may be a renter.

1615
02:39:07,350 --> 02:39:11,270
If you guys know other softball, I don't know if it has to be softball,

1616
02:39:11,270 --> 02:39:20,190
that want a dedicated field to reserve that will have one starting next year.

1617
02:39:24,430 --> 02:39:30,450
You also had on the agenda the parking for the garden set that is going to start getting rented out.

1618
02:39:32,310 --> 02:39:37,770
So they said that they would are deciding in September.

1619
02:39:41,710 --> 02:39:55,300
I think it's August something next Tuesday, the 19th, the 18th, huh.

1620
02:39:59,170 --> 02:40:01,270
So they still have not decided, um,

1621
02:40:07,110 --> 02:40:07,410
okay.

1622
02:40:12,680 --> 02:40:20,240
But thanks. Yes. I did ask about that. I knew we'd want, we'd want to know. So they said September, they decide.

1623
02:40:20,240 --> 02:40:21,220
stay

1624
02:40:26,370 --> 02:40:33,550
parking August, can we have them told? Well, I was going to say at least four or five that

1625
02:40:33,550 --> 02:40:41,590
are parking there. No, no. We'll build them retractively.

1626
02:40:47,540 --> 02:40:49,700
Anything else at all? Anyone wants to

1627
02:40:49,700 --> 02:40:50,640
bring forward?

1628
02:40:54,500 --> 02:40:57,340
Just come for me. So we are in person in September, right?

1629
02:41:04,420 --> 02:41:06,540
No, no way.

1630
02:41:10,270 --> 02:41:16,650
I'm going to tell you right now. I know that the kids camp is done in August

1631
02:41:16,650 --> 02:41:23,590
this month, so that was the conflict previously. And I was just going to go in and reserve

1632
02:41:23,590 --> 02:41:26,630
it to make sure that it was available to us.

1633
02:41:29,400 --> 02:41:32,600
So this would be Thursday, August 10th, and

1634
02:41:32,600 --> 02:41:39,100
it is available, and I think it'd be a good time if we're talking about funds, you know,

1635
02:41:39,280 --> 02:41:44,640
improvements and such. Does anyone not hear on the 10th of September?

1636
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:51,410
So far so good. Okay.

1637
02:41:51,410 --> 02:41:59,670
Okay. I think we'll still, does anyone want to make it only in person and not do hybrid?

1638
02:42:03,930 --> 02:42:07,070
Sorry, we can't be there in September.

1639
02:42:08,050 --> 02:42:10,330
Okay, you're out of talent, Richard.

1640
02:42:10,690 --> 02:42:17,130
I mean, I am, but I'll try like hell to participate online.

1641
02:42:18,210 --> 02:42:18,410
Okay.

1642
02:42:19,150 --> 02:42:24,890
We keep it hybrid just to justify the styling of purchase.

1643
02:42:25,770 --> 02:42:26,810
Of course.

1644
02:42:27,270 --> 02:42:27,410
Yes.

1645
02:42:27,970 --> 02:42:28,830
We want to justify.

1646
02:42:29,350 --> 02:42:29,630
Okay.

1647
02:42:29,890 --> 02:42:33,090
But I regret not being able to meet all you.

1648
02:42:33,490 --> 02:42:36,570
Eating interact always with all you great people.

1649
02:42:38,710 --> 02:42:40,730
We'll miss you, Richard.

1650
02:42:42,230 --> 02:42:42,890
Yeah.

1651
02:42:43,010 --> 02:42:45,620
And with the hybrid, if you're able to participate,

1652
02:42:45,620 --> 02:42:49,200
participate. We'll have that. I should be able to.

1653
02:42:50,360 --> 02:42:56,680
Okay. Um, so just for September's agenda, we'll still try.

1654
02:42:57,100 --> 02:43:01,400
We'll check in with Troy Davis at the bike proposal. Um,

1655
02:43:02,380 --> 02:43:09,720
we'll have, we'll ask for a timeline on the West Hill, just, you know,

1656
02:43:09,720 --> 02:43:21,380
construction and then we'll discuss projects for our funds if

1657
02:43:25,250 --> 02:43:27,410
that part can

1658
02:43:27,410 --> 02:43:37,990
be definitely including virtual I'd appreciate it and this just reminds me that

1659
02:43:37,990 --> 02:43:45,410
did you meeting that I didn't attend? I was really impressed how you guys wanted to

1660
02:43:45,410 --> 02:43:51,990
protect a sanctity of the number one cultural landscape feature in the park. Big

1661
02:43:51,990 --> 02:43:58,830
fields in that whole area and so I thought your suggestion of where the

1662
02:43:58,830 --> 02:44:01,850
bike park could be was very inspired.

1663
02:44:04,300 --> 02:44:04,680
Thank you.

1664
02:44:13,220 --> 02:44:15,000
If there's no it's going to

1665
02:44:15,000 --> 02:44:20,000
the update or nothing for the agenda next month will meet in person on the

1666
02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:21,080
10th and

1667
02:44:25,300 --> 02:44:30,140
thanks for the discussion today Patrick. I I didn't know Chris we're

1668
02:44:30,140 --> 02:44:34,900
gonna jump right away or I would have thanked him for attending and having you

1669
02:44:34,900 --> 02:44:44,920
both here and Kim and answering our questions and working on the future with us so

1670
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:49,920
So thank you and Patrick, please tell Chris, thank you for coming to you.

1671
02:44:50,360 --> 02:44:51,260
Yeah, we'll do.

1672
02:44:51,900 --> 02:44:52,440
Thanks.

1673
02:44:55,060 --> 02:44:56,040
Can I do everyone?

1674
02:44:56,800 --> 02:44:57,680
Yeah, we'll do a journey.

1675
02:44:58,420 --> 02:44:59,120
Thanks, Jackie.

1676
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,720
Good night. Have a great day. Thank you,

1677
02:45:08,490 --> 02:45:08,590
Jan.

1678
02:45:10,890 --> 02:45:13,730
Thanks. Thanks for watching. See you later. Yep. Bye.