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Welcome, everyone to the planning board meeting, August 17th. We're going to start the pledge of allegiance.

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I have the adequate notice statement.

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In accordance with New Jersey statute 10, colon 4-10,

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adequate notice of this meeting has been provided to the publications of record and has been

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posted here in City Hall. For the benefit of the interested public, this meeting is being

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live streamed to the City's YouTube page and also broadcast on Summit's Government channel,

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which is Comcast Channel 34 and Verizon Channel 30. Any hearings on applications for development

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in this meeting are quasi-judicial proceedings. Any questions or comments must be limited to the

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issues that are relevant to what the Board may legally consider in reaching a decision and

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The court will appropriate to a judicial hearing must be maintained at all times.

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Please note that fire exits are to my right, you're left, and at the back of the room where

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you entered.

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The city has a listening system to assist the hearing impaired.

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If anyone needs hearing assistance, please obtain a necessary equipment here at the

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day as in return immediately after our meeting.

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Thank you.

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Good to meet you.

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Good to meet you.

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Chair Bulls Navarra's.

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Vice Chair Hamlet.

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Ms. Bowen.

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Yes.

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Council Member Chrisifoli.

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Yes.

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Mr. Tomasso, Mr. Phelma is excused, Ms. Morrison, Mr. Stern, Mr. Stonton, Mr. Golden, you have a

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forum.

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You may proceed.

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Thank you very much.

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We have an application tonight.

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Before we start, I've asked Nancy home to make a few comments just to set the stage, and

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then we'll follow up.

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But before we do Madam Chair, I believe we have a recusal.

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Oh, look, nice.

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So the record reflects that the board member Delmaso remains

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reduced from this matter.

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He recused himself last time.

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Thank you.

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It's all right.

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Can everyone hear me?

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OK.

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Good afternoon.

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Everyone, planning board chair.

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Thank you very much for the floor.

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My name is Nancy Home.

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I am from Serenian Edwards, Boozak, and Nolan.

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I represent the city of Summit with regard

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to affordable housing matters. By way of background, the OE 190 River Road application before

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the planning board is part of the city's fourth round housing element in fair share plan,

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as was amended in March of 26. Because it was included in the city's plan, which is as required

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by the Fair Housing Act, the city was obligated to create a realistic opportunity for the construction

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of the project, which included adopting zoning so that the applicant can come directly to the

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planning board for site plan approval with minimal variances. This zoning was required to be adopted

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by March 15th, 2026 in accordance with the amended Fair Housing Act, which was amended in 2024,

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prior to the fourth round beginning. That zoning was adopted in accordance with the Fair Housing Act.

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Thank you, too. Thank you. And Steve, did you have anything to do with this?

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Certainly, just to be clear, this is a quasi-judicial proceeding as our Board Secretary

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previously stated, all that the planning board is considering this evening and throughout

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these hearings, if they go beyond this evening, is this particular application for development

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as proposed on this one and only site 190 River Road.

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So other aspects of affordable housing, the fair share plan,

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other aspects of settlement agreements or other components of the city's

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fourth round plan, those are not what is at issue in this application.

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And it is simply, and I don't mean that, to mean that it's a modest issue, but it is solely

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the development application on 190 River Road.

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That's it, issue.

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And the applicant presents it.

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They have the burden of proof, members of the public can ask questions, at the end,

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make comments under oath, and then the board will deliberate vote, whether it's the

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evening or another evening.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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And the way we proceed is the applicant brings up different experts, such as their architect, their engineer, etc., and each one will provide their testimony and then the board members will ask questions in an orderly fashion to each expert and then the public will have a chance to ask questions of those experts each one going along in order.

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So that's how we'll proceed.

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So are you ready?

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Ready, go.

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Okay.

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Good evening Madam Chair.

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Members of the Board.

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Members of the Public Professionals, Jason Tudal, on behalf of the applicant.

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As the Board is aware, this is a site plan application for 190 River Road.

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It's for a multifamily development.

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We were here back in July, I believe it was July 27, so it's only been about three weeks

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since we've been here.

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at that meeting, the board, her testimony from our civil engineer, Robert Frood.

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We went through the site plan extensively, and there were some comments that were made

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by members of the board, by members of the public, that we hope to also address this evening

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as well.

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So, the game plan this evening, and I'll talk also about some of the items we resubmitted.

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So, I'm going to call up our traffic engineer Craig Paragoy to start this evening, and the

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reason I'm doing that is as follows.

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If the board recalls one of the main points of one of the main topics that the last meeting was the size of the loading area,

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which actually we needed relief from as part of the application.

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And the board expressed some concern about the size of that loading area and how it would interplay with emergency service vehicles.

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So what we did in the meantime, we didn't receive a full site plan set, but we submitted a site plan exhibit that modified that loading area.

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But it now complies, and we've also demonstrated how emergency service vehicles can go through

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that.

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So I'm going to have Mr. Paraguay as part of his traffic testimony, incorporate that as an

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extensive part of it because it was something brought up by the board and by the public

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at the last meeting.

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He'll also go through trip generation, parking, and all the other facets of traffic engineering,

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but I just wanted to let you know that he was going to focus on that area.

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In addition to that, there was a crosswalk, a mid-block crosswalk that was initially proposed.

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We thought that was something that the city may have wanted to the golf course property across the street.

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We have eliminated that because the board had also expressed some concern about the mid-block crosswalks.

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So I'll have Craig go over those items as part of his testimony.

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The one other revision that we made that was also based on some public comment was,

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If you know the loading area that we're proposing is adjacent.

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There were some comments, although we don't expect a lot of loading activity. This isn't a retail establishment, a supermarket, an industrial type property.

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But there was a fair comment made about the visibility of that loading area from the street.

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So we did incorporate as part of our revision. So the landscaping that will now buffer that area even further and make it hopefully not visible from the right of where from the adjacent streets.

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So, I'm going to have Craig go over that very briefly as far to his testimony, but then the next witness will be our landscape architect, Tom Bauer, so he will go through the entirety of the landscaping proposed for this project, some of the green infrastructure that we're proposing, there's a green roof as part of the application, so he'll go through that in great detail.

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Then if we, the further we get along, we'll have our project architect, we'll obviously go through the building elevations, the building floor plans, and then our final witness as always will be our professional planner.

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We've eliminated a good portion of the variances as part of this application. There weren't many to begin with, obviously, but they're really down to signage at this point.

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Some others, but mainly as it relates to the signage.

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So with that, Madam Chair, I'd like to call Mr. Paraguay, sorry.

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I was just going to ask Chair if I could just address a predicate matter because the applicant did re-notice.

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So I want to put that on the record. Frankly, it was not required.

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But there's no penalty for providing more notice than it's required.

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the penalty if you provide less notice than is required.

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As you might imagine, so I did have an opportunity to review the notice that the second notice that was provided specifically for this evening.

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The content was sufficient, it was timely served and published, certified mail and published both on August 7th.

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If I got it correct, both of which are at least 10 days prior to this evening.

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So, the board continues to have jurisdiction to hear and decide the application, and at the last hearing on the record applicants council at my request gave the board an extension of time to act through the end of September just in case.

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So, we have that as well. So, the board can proceed knowing it has jurisdiction.

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The one other thing I wanted to mention is we have other business that, you know, we have

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another applicant waiting for the resolution that we have to go over and approve tonight

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and minutes. So we're going to try and stop at 1030 so I can get through as much as you can

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by 1030 and then we'll do our other business. Okay, I guess the other, the only other ministerial item

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that I just wanted to make sure was on the record. The board did request to do a side visit,

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members of the board that did take place as far as I'm aware, and so I just wanted to

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make sure that that was on the records on as well.

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And if I may Madam Chair, that the site visits by the board members were less than

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well less than a quorum and in any group that visited the site and there was no communication

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next part of the communications with any representatives of the applicant or anyone else for

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that matter other than for limited to purposes of a directional pointing as to what is where

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will be as proposed for where. That's all consistent with the municipal land. You

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slow off and the governing case law and frankly encouraged our board members do make visits.

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They also make for lack of a better term and I wish I could think of a better term. I call them

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drive-by's to visit to sea sites as well. So our board members who are volunteer board members

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do quite a bit of work both before, during and after these hearings that you see them at.

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So I want to throw a little who knows to our board members for their volunteer service and I'll stop there.

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Take it away.

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Okay. So I'd like to call our first witness of this evening, Craig Paragoy, who's our traffic engineer with dynamic traffic.

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Y'all, I'm sorry.

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You weren't with us last time. You didn't get sworn in last time.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I did. There you go. I wasn't wrong.

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You remain under oath.

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I don't think I've ever seen somebody willingly doing it.

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That's right.

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I'm sorry, you're still there.

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There you go.

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There you go.

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Correct.

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If you were sworn in, if you can go to your credentials and you're like this.

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The record for professional background education, the background license is held.

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A spirit is tested upon before similar reports on the state of your certificate.

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Sure.

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I have a bachelor's degree in civil engineering from Virginia Tech.

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I'm a licensed professional engineer in New Jersey.

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As you can tell, I testify pretty much in a nightly basis.

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As an expert in traffic, including here in summit many, many times in the past.

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Thank you.

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So just for points of reference,

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if we do introduce another exhibit based on light,

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look, review of the transcript,

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which you can see,

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that's what we're just like,

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we're up to eight, four,

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as it would be the next light,

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but once it's introduced.

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So press,

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as part of your testimony,

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I'd like you to break it down into several components,

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so that the board and the public are aware,

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and you can take them any word

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Please.

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Sure consideration.

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Side circumution, including what I spoke about, if you'd hear him, and if you'd also

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describe the parking on side, that would be really appreciate it.

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Sure.

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I guess we'll start with the fire truck circulations that you've brought up with the loadings

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on.

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The loadings on.

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Those TV's working with those TV's on.

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I don't know.

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Oh.

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We may be checking on that right now, I'm guessing.

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Any one side of the room you're on, it may not matter.

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Thank you.

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take them.

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This is my must see television.

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Everybody can see.

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That's it.

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We're having some of your head.

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No signal.

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This will all be focused in that direction.

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Okay.

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For those of you at home, we were just waiting for other monitors to.

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This is really all I have is this one.

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Okay.

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And just for the work.

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This was.

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Yeah.

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I think there's an advantage of what's happening.

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Yeah, I'm so proud to be able to identify this building.

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Yeah, this is called Fire Truck Circulation Exhibit.

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It's day to day today.

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And if you recall, at last meeting,

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we had the loading zone that was right

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as you come in off of the road to the left of the garage door.

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And it was a little narrower

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and the board expressed concern for well, for two reasons.

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It didn't meet the requirements of the door,

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which is 12 by 60 loathings on it now does and this exhibit.

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Can you slow that down there?

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Yeah, 12 by 60s required, so it now meets that requirement, and the other concern was

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and rightfully so we knew that it would work fine with passenger cars and everyday traffic,

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but if a fire truck were to try to get in there, would it work?

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So we wanted to do two things here, we made that loadings on a little bit wider, simply

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by bumping out the dry vial closer to River Road, gives you the clearance, and then this

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truck, the yellow path there that you can see is the turning path of a fire truck that

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could get in with.

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And we're showing you two trucks now sitting in this loading zone, which I, you know, will be almost never occur. And the fire truck is able to make the swing and get past them. So I think that was pretty good suggestion. By the board, we were fairly easily able to accommodate it as you can see here.

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Sorry, you didn't have to talk.

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Yeah, you don't do that.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah, that helps too.

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Yeah, help.

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So everyone can do it.

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So that's the, that's, that's the pretty picture that I have.

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No, the rest of it is the edge of your seed traffic testimony, which I will try to say.

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The third was that a fire truck could not make that turn.

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If there was a moving van there or a garbage truck there, which is also going to be happening in the allocation.

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And it's now lighter and will allow for five to three to get back.

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Exactly, right.

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And obviously with that.

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I know I shouldn't be talking.

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I should be waiting to be done.

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Just a quick question.

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Can you just point out the emergency access on the other side of the building?

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Yeah.

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The emergency driveway is this other driveway?

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I'm just having a hard time figuring out in my head where that.

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So that's coming off of, that's the one that DEP required?

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So you're going to watch through all of the exits and all of the circulation.

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Yep.

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And I'll go ahead.

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No, I just thought you're moving on to that other stuff.

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All right.

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We'll stick with the plan for now.

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I know this was testified to the last meeting,

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which is to refresh everybody's memory.

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Essentially, the existing driveway that serve the office building

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is going to remain as the main driveway, which then provides a

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shot into the lower levels of the parking garage.

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This secondary access is actually two requirements.

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The DEP requires it and RSI has, if you provide more than 100 parking spaces,

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once a secondary means of access for EEP emergencies,

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or a boulevard, which doesn't really make sense here.

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So it serves two purposes as this emergency access.

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This side of River Road, because it serves as a sort of a

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Doug Handle for the state highway is actually under NJDOT jurisdiction, so we have an application

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pending with them for this emergency driveway. We've yet to receive comments back, but

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like I said, it's the requirement of two separate agencies. It's not something that they're really

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going to be able to push back on, it's just the matter of how it's going to look at the end of the day.

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So how did you see and the county?

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Yes, in the county, the county on the, it's very strange. The county's jurisdiction is the

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northbound side of River Road and DOTs is the southbound. Okay, yeah.

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Just as many review

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agencies as we can possibly fit in here we're trying to do. Is it Mars County somewhere

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right around there also? Probably, you know, Mars County is right across the street. Yeah, I've

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right across the street. I'm quite okay. Yeah, but we're not, we're not proposing anything

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there so they're not involved necessarily in this.

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Okay, so now I want to

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the traffic study. We submitted a traffic

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impacts that he dated April 29th, 2026.

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I'll take you through the highlights of that.

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Sorry, time out. Does anybody have any questions on the fire

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lanes and the circulation around for fire safety?

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I have a quick question if you consider

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bad things happen.

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And what if there's also some flooding going on

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Is that all possible as well?

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That's why the secondary driveway is there because if that's out of where it would be flooded

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But the purpose here was if the fire truck was responding and there wasn't a flood

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They're going to go into the main driveway and if there was a loading vehicle there

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They would have been dead. Do you want to point to that?

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So they understand where the secondary driveway is?

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The secondary driveway. It's closer to this connector road between River Road and JFK Parkway

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And it's that would be high and dry

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That's the reason that one of the reasons we're fighting and we should have I think we said this the last time

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But you reminded me of something you did show this plan to the fire official and work through

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Comments with that with that department correct. Yes. Is that in our packets?

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Yeah, it should be there was a fire department common letter actually just before the last meeting

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Miss Bowman they issued an updated letter saying that they were satisfied with the but the design

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But they haven't seen these changes that you just know that we just that we enhance the no that

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They could have been circulated, but we don't have a review letter on that.

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I just have questions on them.

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If you're doing it later, I can wait.

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But I'm assuming the fire truck reach, you'll get two later.

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Yeah, Mr. Fruit did that at the last meeting, but we can go over that again.

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That's fine.

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Okay.

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On the opposite side of the building.

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On the opposite side, I just had a question.

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But if you're doing it later, I can wait.

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Do you want to wait?

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It's up to you.

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If I know the answer, I'll try.

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Um, can you just confirm, sorry, how did up your summer?

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The, um, from Jate Parkway and River Road,

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it's 85 feet to the building.

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So is that, is the fire truck reach to the patio

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and will there, I guess, with that being said,

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would ground that or speed me in addition to that?

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Where exactly, if you're talking about this connector road,

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they'd be able to get on.

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Yeah, JFK Parkway and River Road.

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Yeah, they'd be able to get on to the site.

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You can see where you're sitting right here,

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right at the front door.

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The concern was more, if they needed to get elsewhere

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around the side of the building.

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And my understanding is that I wasn't necessarily

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directly involved those discussions with Mr. Frude.

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They looked at the latter height, and we're

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able to satisfy the fire department

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that they could access the building from those other roadways.

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But from where you're talking about, where we're

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far away, the truck get on site right there.

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like basically where you're sitting on this image.

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I'd just remind everybody.

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In addition, the change in the front prior,

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the applicant added another eager,

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grass stairs.

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My understanding that satisfied a lot

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of the fire departments.

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Yeah, that's correct.

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We had Mr. Food testified at that

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at the last meeting,

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but I can also have the architect

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reiterate that when he's going through the building.

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Right.

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Just want to make sure it's safe.

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Yeah, that's fine.

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Yeah.

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We've added this with the fire department for several months.

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So do we have any other questions on this topic before we get to general traffic?

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This kind of different light of.

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Thank you for covering it.

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I think we do not.

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So let's go.

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Well, I guess maybe I'll answer my question right away.

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Is the 85 feet to the patio to the building?

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Like, which part are you measuring the 85 feet from?

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I guess.

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We'll have to.

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If you don't have the answer now.

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If you want to answer that at the next meeting.

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Yeah, or I can have Mr. Food come back later and just

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have to answer that.

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Okay, I'll enter the traffic impact slide attention.

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And we are traffic impact analysis. We started as we typically do with any traffic impact study. We took traffic counts. We looked at the existing driveway, and though it wasn't very active, and the golf course driveway across the street.

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And then the two ends of that river road, connector, road, the signalized intersection at JFK Parkway, and then the the the ramp where it comes in and meets our front edge portion of river road.

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So we took traffic counts there from 7 to 9 and 4 to 6, 30 on a weekday.

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We're looking for the busiest hour within those two windows of time.

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And what we do?

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Can you repeat the times?

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Yes, 7 to 9 in the morning and 4 to 6, 30 in the evening.

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I think the document says 4, 30, just 6.

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It's 4 to 6, 30.

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Okay.

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Just for your information, you know, we pick the busiest hour within there, we're looking

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for the peak hour here, the day that we counted, it would vary day-to-day, but it was

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745 in the morning, 745 to 845 in the morning, and 445 to 545 in the evening

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was the busiest single hour.

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And then what we really want to do is assume that this building is going to generate its

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traffic during that exact same power. So we're looking at a worst-case scenario. And obviously when

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you're talking about a residential building, that's going to be when it's peak time is. People

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leaving for work in the morning coming back in the evening. You'll have traffic in and out there

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out the day, but when you're going to see the heaviest hourly volumes will be of those time periods.

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We also need to take into account future growth. New Jersey DOT for the serial publishes a growth rate

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of 2.25% per year.

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So those traffic volumes that we counted,

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we increased it by that times three years.

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But I went back and looked at the historical data.

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DOT has some count stations right near here,

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and we use that sort of the verify our counts as well.

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And the volumes have been steady

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and even slightly decreasing over time.

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Part of it could have been, you know,

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when the office building was removed.

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But I mean, even in recent years.

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So we're being a little extra conservative

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by adding that growth rate,

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but that's the standard practice that is typically done.

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So that gives us a future baseline of the traffic volumes

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that will be out there.

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And the next thing I need to do is identify

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how much traffic that the proposed building would generate

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during those peak times.

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We use the ITE, the Institute of Transportation Engineer's

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Trip Generation Manual.

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It's basically a compilation of research, traffic

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counseling throughout the country,

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other of these businesses. In this case, this size residential building and this setting,

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what it says would be generated is about 75 trips in the peak hour. It's 75 in the morning,

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74 in the evening. A trip is a vehicle either entering or exiting the properties. Obviously,

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in the morning, most people are leaving, going to work in the evening, they're coming back home.

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So, we're on the order of 75 trips. NJDOT considers a significant increase in traffic

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as a hundred or more decoupling trips.

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So we're under that threshold where you typically

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would necessarily do a full traffic study,

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although we did one here.

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But I think it's important to point out the historical use

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of that property as an office building.

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If I use the IT E numbers for that,

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it's 200 trips in a peak hour.

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So we're generating an insignificant per DOT volume of traffic,

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but we're significantly over 100 trips per hour less

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than an office building, which makes sense.

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office building, you've got everybody's arriving at once leading points where there's a residential

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building that's more spread out over the morning, people working different places, different

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fields, some people are home, different hours.

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So this is actually going to be a much lower generator than what was historically there.

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What I put my analysis together, the building was already vacant and being torn down or renovated.

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So we didn't include any of that, but I think that's a good information.

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I'm basically looking at this is if we built this residential building over a forest over a vacant land, what's the impact?

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So when we have the amount of traffic, we have that future baseline traffic volume with the growth rate,

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and the traffic volumes generated by this project, which we then overlay on that,

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we're able to do a comparative analysis of the future condition.

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We call it the no-build and the build scenario.

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So essentially, if nothing happens, this project doesn't move forward, here's what these intersections would operate like, we had this traffic, and here's what the change is.

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That analysis is, it's a pretty complicated software that gives you, based on the traffic signal timing, stop signs, laying with grades, there's a lot of input data that goes into it from what we collected.

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And it gives you a delay per average delay per vehicle, which is then related to a level of service.

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I'm sure you've heard this from other traffic engineers.

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A, being the best level of service or the least delay with an F being the worst delay.

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Not exactly like grades in school because you would typically design two for peak hours at a level of service D.

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And I'm sure not it was raining for D in school.

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So I definitely like when people say it's like grades in school.

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But in this case, all the turning movements

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at those two intersections of the River Road Connector

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are operated at a level service C or better.

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And that's with or without this project.

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So we don't even change any of those levels of service.

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Which, again, I expect it because it's generating less

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than 100 important insignificant amount of traffic.

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But the analysis bears that out.

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The driveway itself, the main driveway on River Road

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operates at a level service B.

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So we have good levels of service, we're not changing those levels of service, and I think

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more importantly we're getting rid of that office building that generating more traffic

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historically.

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So that's a big improvement.

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Bring it up.

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Much lower traffic, generator generating potential on the site.

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So that's the summary version, essentially, of the traffic impact part of things.

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So, Craig, just to summarize that, because it's a lot of technical information, I know.

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So the intersection that you studied, JFK Parkway and River Road, in the AM, no build, which means if nothing occurred.

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That operates in the no build as a level of service B.

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Yes, overall B. We look at each individual turning movement, like a left from JFK, but the overall intersection itself is a B.

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With this project and the growth rate that you also factor in, correct?

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Yep, it still operates at a level of service, so no change in the level, and that's both in the morning, and in the evening, both of those peak hours that we looked at, and that's assuming that this building generates its peak traffic at the exact same hour that the roadways have their peak traffic, so there's a conservative layer built into that.

467
00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:45,800
Okay, so the point that I just I wanted to make sure that we to show that we investigated is that in the no-vild versus constructing our project with future global trade.

468
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,400
There's no impact on the delays at that intersection.

469
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:49,940
Correct.

470
00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:57,080
The impacts of the minimal increases in delay but not enough to change the level of service, which is really how you sort of grade the intersection.

471
00:29:57,420 --> 00:29:57,600
Gotcha.

472
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,980
And then the River Road and Connection.

473
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,980
We're going to have to wrote what same thing that today operates as a level of service be? Yes. And in the bill's condition? Be. And in the PMP? Same thing, be in be. Okay, so it stays at that level of service be correct. And then finally the site drive way. In the bill's condition, what will that be? Because I guess there's in the no bill that the residential doesn't exist today, right? Correct. Yeah. Well, the golf course driveway too, because I look at it as like a four-legged intersection, but yeah. So that would also operate at a level of service be.

474
00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:34,060
Okay, and in your professional opinion, a level of service B is more than acceptable?

475
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:41,120
Yes, absolutely. If we were designing this as a new facility, which you should for a D, like I said,

476
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:46,320
okay, kind of what the the aim is for the peak out. I just wanted to make sure that that was clear.

477
00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:51,680
So what? Let's go over the next topic. Yeah, and you make a good point. The idea is that the the rest of the day,

478
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,540
like we're looking at the peak on peak. So the rest of the day, it's going to be better than this. We want this is the worst case.

479
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:06,600
And then as far as the parking, I know the testimony was provided at the last meeting but I'll just go through those numbers again.

480
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:18,760
When you do the math with the 1.8 spaces for 1 bedroom, 2 spaces for 2 bedroom and 2.1 spaces for 3 bedroom comes out of requirement of 384 spaces.

481
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:24,740
Plus, we have that set aside for city vehicles of 25 spaces, so the total requirement

482
00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:30,020
then is 409, and we have 584 spaces provided.

483
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,600
So there's a surplus of parking available on the site, and I understand that it's written

484
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,000
into the ordinance that that could be used for some sort of long-term vehicle storage

485
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,680
if that ever materializes.

486
00:31:41,620 --> 00:31:45,440
Not something that would generate daily traffic in and out, but maybe a car dealership

487
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:52,520
to put some vehicles, so hopefully that comes the case so it's not always the space

488
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:52,980
essentially.

489
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:58,980
So the project as a whole meets the RSI as the residential site improvements standards,

490
00:31:59,220 --> 00:32:02,260
which is a statewide standard as to the number of parking spaces.

491
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,440
It exceeds the standard in terms of the number of parking spaces.

492
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:10,180
That number now the RSI is a maximum.

493
00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:14,700
So technically when you exceed it, you need to go explain to them why and get an exception,

494
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:21,160
But since we have the city vehicles and the potential for long-term vehicle storage in there,

495
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:23,140
then we don't have to make that exception.

496
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:31,700
But now you have to inform them when you provide more parking when they require not when you provide less, which is interesting.

497
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:35,360
Have you had a chance to study this size of this space?

498
00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:38,520
Yes, all the parking's only.

499
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,400
It's a very cool up to plan, just so if there's any specific questions.

500
00:32:45,780 --> 00:32:47,460
Just refer to the sheet that you're on the other.

501
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:51,710
I just want to do a pull up.

502
00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:56,110
Well, at the previous league, the previous league, the second league,

503
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:58,010
the second league, and that's proud of this.

504
00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:01,510
I don't know if this was Mark, because this is part of the set, right?

505
00:33:01,610 --> 00:33:02,770
It's part of the set we didn't market.

506
00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:04,750
Yes, just identify the sheet number.

507
00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:07,050
It's...

508
00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:09,850
She number one of one, this was the site plan exhibit that was pulled up.

509
00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:13,410
At the last meeting, the only change now is that we have the...

510
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:16,950
the loading zone, but the interior of the building is exactly the same.

511
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:21,810
And the architect, well, in his presentation, we'll go through some of the

512
00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:22,690
fours and things like that.

513
00:33:22,790 --> 00:33:26,510
But I looked at it in terms, you know, from a traffic engineering perspective,

514
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:32,670
it's a parking stall, dimensions, circulation, aisle widths, all compliant, all

515
00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:34,250
worked very well.

516
00:33:36,780 --> 00:33:41,900
We had, I think there was a discussion at the last time about any tandem parking

517
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:46,800
It was being provided because the space just exists, but that would be assigned to a single unit.

518
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,060
We're not going to have people sharing keys.

519
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:48,820
There's no need.

520
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:49,940
There's enough parking here.

521
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,580
But if somebody has that second car that they only use on the weekends or every once in a while,

522
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:58,100
that's a good opportunity to be able to have that out of the way.

523
00:33:58,940 --> 00:34:02,740
And Craig, can you speak to compliance with the number of 88 parking spaces?

524
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:06,580
Yes, we're compliant with ADA and the EV parking spaces.

525
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,600
Technically, you get a credit for the EV parking spaces, but we don't really need it.

526
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:19,220
we have the physical number, but we have sufficient EV parking spaces, 56 EVs and 80As,

527
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:20,520
or what's required, and that's what we have.

528
00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:24,880
And the I-O-Wits, I think you said this, but just to reiterate, the I-O-Wits, if it's turning

529
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,580
radiuses within the parking structure, are all sufficient in your opinion?

530
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,520
Yeah, not only sufficient, but generously.

531
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,400
These dimensions work for surface parking lot, typically a garage, you sometimes see spaces

532
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,370
that are a few inches smaller, and drive a lot of smaller, and you expect that when you're

533
00:34:40,370 --> 00:34:47,350
This is a very generous layout. Okay, and then moving to the the exterior of the property or the exterior of the building

534
00:34:47,350 --> 00:34:54,970
Do the driveways have proper sight distances in your opinion and in the proper geometry they do we we check the sight distance

535
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:59,130
Because coming off a root 24 you're coming around that curve

536
00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:06,570
Make sure that that was going to be kept clear any landscaping in there will be either low enough or limit high enough that it doesn't interrupt that sight visibility

537
00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:13,430
And it was an existing driveway serving an office building for many years and seemed to work.

538
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:19,250
I guess we could have the landscape architect test the fire recording, the landscape and

539
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:20,350
that we proposed over there.

540
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:22,390
So we can hold off on that.

541
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:29,250
And then again, not to be redundant by on the outside, the dry vials and turning radius is

542
00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:31,730
all for all sufficiently designed in your opinion.

543
00:35:32,890 --> 00:35:33,150
Yes.

544
00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:39,050
and Mr. Fruit testified the last time with regards to circulation and deliveries and the

545
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:42,690
fire truck and all those things and I concur with what he said, we're not to go through all

546
00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:43,190
that again.

547
00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:47,790
Okay, and then the last item, I mentioned this when we started the hearing, we did remove

548
00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:51,390
that crosswalk from the mid-block crosswalk, can you just speak to that place?

549
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:58,470
Yeah, understood the concerns that came up the last time and just like I wanted to ensure

550
00:35:58,470 --> 00:36:04,430
that site distance work, because the people coming around the corner, we thought that crosswalk

551
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:10,250
is going to get very little usage, and if probably we would create more problems than it

552
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:14,690
necessarily would solve. So we've eliminated that crosswalk. If there ever was the opportunity

553
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:20,950
or the need for other crossing, it would make more sense to be at the intersection rather than

554
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:26,930
a mid-block crossing across the road, which comes with its own set of headaches. With multiple

555
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:27,590
jurisdictions.

556
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:35,030
I think it's the first for the record. I'm looking at my notes on the markings.

557
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:39,510
We should probably just mark this as 8.5 just because I didn't have this mark that the last meeting

558
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:45,010
is just called side-point exhibit. So let's just for the abundance of questions just mark this

559
00:36:45,010 --> 00:36:51,850
as 8.5. Craig, what was the date on it? This is update. I'm looking at the load. It has the crossing

560
00:36:53,890 --> 00:36:56,130
This is dated August 6th.

561
00:36:56,290 --> 00:36:59,650
Yeah, this might have been exactly what we submitted in the days in advance, but we'll just

562
00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:00,390
mark it to be safe.

563
00:37:00,610 --> 00:37:00,750
Thank you.

564
00:37:00,770 --> 00:37:04,990
It was in a folder that's had previously shown, but he couldn't have been.

565
00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:10,150
So that's all I have from Mr. Paraguay, Mr. Anything else I'm going to ask?

566
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:12,390
No, I think that could be the conclusion.

567
00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:13,110
Thank you.

568
00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:18,050
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to start with Mr. Stun, and we're going to go around

569
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:19,070
the dias with question.

570
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:22,030
But do you have any questions?

571
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:27,410
Just to confirm, this is the upper level of the parking deck.

572
00:37:27,690 --> 00:37:29,430
Actually, this is the lower level of parking network.

573
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:33,880
Yes, this is the lower level. You can see where it goes straight in.

574
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:45,100
And that's A5 when we're saying this. Upper level has got some. Do you have a shot of the upper level as well? It has some of the building on it.

575
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:51,420
I don't see circuit with driveway. I don't know. Let me see.

576
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,720
Perhaps the moment you get a little highlighting with that show.

577
00:38:01,270 --> 00:38:02,390
I know it's on the market.

578
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:10,190
If not, we can imagine that.

579
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:12,910
Yeah, just let's see if you can get a real quick to answer your question.

580
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:13,830
Okay.

581
00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:19,600
That's probably the best.

582
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,580
This is not a previous midget plan set.

583
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,840
All right, just indicate the day on a crag and just reference the sheet.

584
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:34,280
Yeah, this is sheet 7, the second floor plan, dated, last revised, June 8.

585
00:38:35,660 --> 00:38:37,720
I'm sorry, so what was your question so we can answer and I apologize.

586
00:38:41,770 --> 00:38:44,330
So this is the earlier version just so you know.

587
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,520
Right, so she's the person.

588
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:50,080
Yeah, this is this is from the last time.

589
00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:53,240
The second and third floors haven't changed at all.

590
00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:54,980
Let me know if you want to zoom in on anything.

591
00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:57,660
Thank you.

592
00:38:59,340 --> 00:38:59,920
No question?

593
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:09,820
I guess the only thing I would question is when it was an office building.

594
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,600
Oh, Mike, sorry.

595
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,240
People are here, sorry.

596
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,520
My question with the when it was an office building, the traffic was Monday through Friday.

597
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:25,500
Meanwhile, the golf course, pretty empty during the week or at least in the middle of the day.

598
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:30,740
Um, do we, are there any concerns about our weekends?

599
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:37,840
Let's say the fishing derby or, you know, just a lot of traffic in and out of the golf course

600
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,520
on weekends and also out of this residential complex.

601
00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:48,200
This, the peak hours for the weekend in general are going to be lower from this building

602
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:54,200
and the roadway volumes are quite often very much lower, so the worst case is more

603
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,040
the weekday, so no, I don't have any concerns about the weekend. But you make a fair point

604
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,820
that the office was quiet on the weekend, so this will be a little more right. If it works

605
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:05,840
during rush hour, it's going to work fine on the weekend.

606
00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:14,200
And the entrances line up between the golf course and the circuit building. Yeah, but

607
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,560
we'll just inside. Just as they do today, it's exactly what you see today. Right, but yeah,

608
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,680
okay. Mr. Stern. Yeah, I would do. Why did you choose that day?

609
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,840
Secretary of State.

610
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,440
Joel, the winner, President say we can.

611
00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:31,340
Would you check to see if all the schools were in the session?

612
00:40:31,580 --> 00:40:32,680
Oh, yeah, we checked for schools.

613
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,400
And when I do these, when we do these counts, we use other data sources.

614
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,620
We have other counts that we've done in the area up and downstream.

615
00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:41,360
The DOT has count stations.

616
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:48,200
They actually have a June 2026 count along JFK Parkway that I, you know, I always check that.

617
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,500
Of course, traffic bond can fluctuate day to day, 10 to 15%.

618
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,140
But if you're in the right ballpark with those numbers

619
00:40:57,140 --> 00:40:59,860
and using those other data sources to verify that,

620
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,160
you know, you're good because we've built

621
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,000
some of that conservative nature in the analysis.

622
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,840
Using that growth rate that is not really happening

623
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,580
and assuming a peak on peak takes into account those fluctuations.

624
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:13,620
So there's no, there were no anomalies based on any of the other data

625
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:14,140
that I had in here.

626
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,640
Did you include any seasonal adjustment?

627
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,720
I mean, to Ms. Morrison's point, Thursday,

628
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,660
And the winter is very different than the Thursday

629
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:25,520
and the summer given the adjacency of the golf course.

630
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:28,260
No, we didn't make any seasonal adjustment.

631
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:33,520
You do that if you were near the beach or when schools out,

632
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:37,840
but typically day-to-day, you don't see that much variety.

633
00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:39,280
So in the summertime, you're right.

634
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,120
There may be more people going to the golf course,

635
00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:42,360
but there's also more people on vacation,

636
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,840
so less people commuting the work.

637
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:45,400
So it tends to even out.

638
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,880
And like I said, the DOT data has several days a week,

639
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,180
and it goes back to, I think, 2018 with traffic volumes.

640
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,920
And they're all right in the same ballpark.

641
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,680
There's no anomalies.

642
00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:01,700
Have you ever driven river road?

643
00:42:01,940 --> 00:42:03,840
Ben rush hour, during the week?

644
00:42:04,340 --> 00:42:04,800
I have.

645
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:06,220
What'd you experience?

646
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,400
Once you get past here, go on south.

647
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:11,920
It gets a little rougher.

648
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,600
I know that new signal went in there, was that maybe four years ago?

649
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,460
And does the analysis include any of the additional

650
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,320
approve developments?

651
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,760
There's another one going up in Chattam, across from River

652
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,280
Grow.

653
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,520
There's the potential for 55 plus community in the mall.

654
00:42:32,860 --> 00:42:34,240
Does anybody include any of that?

655
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:36,500
Anything that was yet that growth rate accounts

656
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:37,320
for that type of thing?

657
00:42:37,340 --> 00:42:39,480
Anything that was in the immediate vicinity,

658
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,560
we would specifically look at.

659
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,620
But when you're talking about that kind of distance away,

660
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,960
I mean, I know a couple projects I've worked on

661
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,000
farther down the tricontal park is I don't know what's going on with that but you know that that's a little

662
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,780
bit farther down the road when you're talking that distance their specific traffic is trickled apart so far

663
00:42:56,780 --> 00:43:02,400
from by the time it gets here so that growth way to come growth rate accounts for that but if the golf course is being

664
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:09,100
redeveloped with you know when other office building that would be a different scenario where you would look more closely at that and when you said

665
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:18,540
You use the counts based on the office building, being occupied, not vacant, right?

666
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,200
Yeah, just for comparison.

667
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:21,940
No, I don't know.

668
00:43:22,260 --> 00:43:25,580
Wait, where did you get those numbers from?

669
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:26,680
I do the same thing.

670
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:29,020
The ITE, if we were going to build an office building,

671
00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:32,200
they're latest rates for an office building.

672
00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:34,420
Because where you have it ever looked at,

673
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,240
what this specific, like, if you went back six years

674
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:45,440
pre-COVID office building is 100% occupied. Are you able to get any sort of traffic count going back

675
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:52,600
that far? The DOT has the the through volume counts and they are from 2018 was probably the highest

676
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:58,360
and then it's gone steadily down since obviously there's a big dip in 2020 but I can't tell who was

677
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,420
coming out and in and out of the office but by using those ITE rates it accounts for like the post

678
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:09,240
COVID world. So that's what if we were going to build an office building that size on here,

679
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:16,080
it would generate 130 more trips than what we're proposing here now. And again, my analysis

680
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,140
doesn't take any credit for that. I just thought that's good information to sort of get an idea

681
00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:25,940
of the magnitude of difference. Thanks. Okay. Thank you.

682
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:33,220
So my main concern and questions

683
00:44:33,220 --> 00:44:40,360
for you are pedestrian safety and how do you you want to walk somewhere? How do you walk safely

684
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,900
out of here particularly school tilt children who want to we're a walkie we don't have

685
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:54,600
bushing in this town and kids walk to school so I'd like to understand how they get from the

686
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,720
like to, they're not going to walk down river road.

687
00:44:58,980 --> 00:44:59,800
They're going to walk to Iris.

688
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,420
We're along there. And how are they going to get there safely?

689
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:11,020
Yeah, and there's a lot of incomplete or missing sidewalks. I don't know, because it was an office building,

690
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,360
but there's no, you know, we're providing on all of our frontage off the sidewalk and the structure that there is,

691
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,020
but it would have to be a point to mention walking into the mall the last time.

692
00:45:20,660 --> 00:45:27,900
Sidewalk takes you under 24, but then it disappears, and there's really, if you look at that mall, there's no pedestrian connections.

693
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:31,680
All right, but I'm more concerned about the other way.

694
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,780
Yeah, that would be the type of scenario where we could either, you know, could either

695
00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:44,720
at a crosswalk to the other side of River Road or across the Connector Road, but there's no

696
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,940
contiguous sidewalk to get you all the way to Iris.

697
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:56,320
So where would be the safest place considering the understanding of where carger going and how quickly

698
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,800
they're going to put a crosswalk to get to a sidewalk that's on the

699
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,880
munisai.

700
00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:06,860
Yeah, that that would be at this connective road intersection would be the

701
00:46:06,860 --> 00:46:07,300
best place.

702
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,420
There is a crosswalk.

703
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:13,480
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're saying the diagonal crosswalk that's

704
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,160
currently there.

705
00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:17,500
That's currently there, and then you could continue that crosswalk to the

706
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:20,100
opposite side to get to the.

707
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:23,320
How safe is that along a crosswalk, diagonal crosswalk?

708
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,640
I don't, I feel like shorter and 90 degrees makes more sense.

709
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,420
That's why it's a diagonal because it's a ramp.

710
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:34,820
So you want the driver to be perpendicular to the crossing.

711
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,060
That's because of the ability.

712
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:39,640
That's why it was done like that because it's on that curved ramp.

713
00:46:41,380 --> 00:46:43,540
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with it.

714
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,360
I need, but I'm not an engineer.

715
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,960
But I feel like we have to solve for this being residential,

716
00:46:49,960 --> 00:47:00,040
which is what your applicants proposing and figuring out a way to get students across and safely to a sidewalk system, which starts at Iris.

717
00:47:02,220 --> 00:47:09,780
So, Marie, can you help us here? Do you have any suggestions or questions to try and solve for that?

718
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:20,440
So understanding that the crosswalk to directly to the golf course was remit was removed.

719
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:31,580
And there were discussions pre-application that was a desirable crossing without understanding the traffic situations.

720
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:37,640
It just looked on paper from the city standpoint to say, hey, what about these people wanting to get across the street?

721
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,540
And of course we've all looked at that and thought maybe that's not the best thing.

722
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,520
You know there's there's and that was just to get people to the golf course.

723
00:47:49,400 --> 00:48:00,400
Is there anything on the other side of River Road that we connect those series of crosswalks to a sidewalk that's near Iris?

724
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:10,440
The sidewalk near Iris comes part partially down the ramp and then it goes away and doesn't connect all the way to that intersection.

725
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:11,680
Right.

726
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:16,920
If we've looked, you know, we've gone through driven into the park.

727
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,760
If there was a sidewalk, I'd prefer them to be where it connects and it's.

728
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:26,400
If there was a sidewalk on the Munisai, where would be the best place for a crosswalk?

729
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:36,920
If you had to put one in there, have you looked at in enough to see that an extension of

730
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,900
a sidewalk maybe 50 feet would improve it? Is there anything there that would look logical

731
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:43,460
to you?

732
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:44,640
Can I just in a room?

733
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:48,780
My suggestion is this is a very important topic and we got to get it right.

734
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,560
Sometimes you do this on the fly when it's very technical, it's impossible, it's not

735
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,420
the prudent thing to do.

736
00:48:55,420 --> 00:49:01,260
So I think I mentioned it's at the last meeting and I just don't think there was a lot of time with all of us to maybe some vacations

737
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:06,960
We should meet with with your board engineer and go through this and get it right and see where we can do it

738
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:13,940
I have no issue doing what I'm looking for that total problem. I also wanted to mention one more thing that is more of an operational issue than a design issue

739
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:18,660
The applicant is providing a shuttle service to to the to the downtown on

740
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,580
At the property. So I understand the school children's an issue because

741
00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:26,120
because they're not taking the shuttle that could work.

742
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:30,000
But in terms of just reducing the amount of pedestrian traffic,

743
00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:32,760
there would be people utilizing that shuttle service

744
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,180
that the applicant is providing.

745
00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:36,360
By the way, they run that shuttle service

746
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,580
from their management company.

747
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,460
They don't third party it to someone else.

748
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:40,920
So they control that.

749
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,020
So I think between that and working with your board engineer

750
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:46,520
to resolve the problem that you just mentioned

751
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,160
or the issue, we're more than happy to do that.

752
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,460
OK, and we'll get tested in the morning next time on that.

753
00:49:52,460 --> 00:49:54,500
Yeah, our goal would be to meet with them.

754
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,700
And then hopefully we can provide a design

755
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:58,640
or some alternative that's acceptable

756
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,240
to your professionals on that.

757
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:00,520
Great.

758
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:01,740
Okay, that sounds like a plan.

759
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,200
And it's something that we've thought about.

760
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,080
That's why I know what I know

761
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,160
at the sidewalk because we're beginning

762
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,340
and then because we've looked down everywhere.

763
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,600
And I think it's in the best interest

764
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,940
of the applicant to do it also.

765
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,940
So I think it's not just the city as well.

766
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:13,460
So yeah.

767
00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:13,820
Great.

768
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:17,520
I just want to check my notes real quick.

769
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,860
Is there way to memorialize that the long-term parking

770
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:29,580
You know, the differential that makes this fewer trips from this site, now that it's residential,

771
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:30,780
is that there are fewer cars.

772
00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:34,820
And when it was in the office, it was up to 700 cars, some crazy number.

773
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,700
Part of that is now just going to be long-term parking for something like a car dealership.

774
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:44,240
Is that memorialized somewhere so that that doesn't change?

775
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,480
And then we have just as much trip generation.

776
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,840
So there's two things that would protect the board or the city on that.

777
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,660
one is it's in the settlement agreement on the affordable housing.

778
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:58,040
It mentions like, it defines basically what type of,

779
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,020
but if the board obviously, Mr. Warner can chime in,

780
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:03,800
wants to make it a more expressed condition,

781
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,860
if you want to have better language than we have in the settlement agreement,

782
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,120
obviously you have the right to do that to ensure that that

783
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:10,900
used the way it's constantly.

784
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:12,280
I know that's fully the intent.

785
00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:13,140
I just don't want it to.

786
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:16,760
So we have no issue with that, and I want to even make it further

787
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:18,520
clarity on that, that's fine.

788
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:18,960
Great.

789
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:25,100
I've never denied the opportunity for any of my boards to have a more explicit detailed condition

790
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:26,440
of approval in a resolution.

791
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,020
I'm not going to start now.

792
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:34,400
So this, I got that, and we're going to hear about the pedestrians later.

793
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,200
Do you have visitor spaces?

794
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:41,100
Because you mentioned an extra car now, and then you have to tandem them, but you're going

795
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,720
to have built and I just didn't check that.

796
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,120
Yes.

797
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:49,580
the numbers, the requirement, builds in the visor space that have space per unit and how the

798
00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:50,920
tan of would not be for visitors.

799
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,360
No, I just think tan of seems so unnecessary on your particular site with an existing giant

800
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:56,860
group.

801
00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:59,280
Okay.

802
00:51:59,460 --> 00:52:00,580
I think I'm good.

803
00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:03,180
You're not, you're okay.

804
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,280
Just hear as why the study area was limited for traffic to those couple of intersections

805
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:16,540
when, as Paul mentioned, the most of us here recognize that River Road gets completely jammed.

806
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,520
Was there any thought of looking into how it can impact the...

807
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:22,240
Yeah, there isn't.

808
00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:26,120
The maximum impact are going to be right at this signalized intersection,

809
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,260
because that's where most of the traffic,

810
00:52:29,260 --> 00:52:29,980
some people are going to go back.

811
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,060
I got a 24, but that's one of the most of the traffickers. Then beyond there, it's dispersed even farther.

812
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,900
So we're already just coming out of the driveway and insignificant amount of traffic.

813
00:52:38,340 --> 00:52:45,740
And then they go left or right. So then it's even less than that. And then the traffic going south, where I know the concerns are, it's a very small wonder.

814
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:54,260
So it's not going to, if we're not changing the level of service at this intersection that we're directly maximizing the impact, it's not going to change it there.

815
00:52:55,060 --> 00:53:00,260
I know that we're probably not getting a level service season B's as you go farther in the town,

816
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,900
but the Delta is what my focus is, and the maximum Delta is going to be right at the site.

817
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:16,200
Okay. Given that this application proposes 198 residential units, did you evaluate whether the school dismissal period creates a separate afternoon peak traffic?

818
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:22,660
Yeah, we look, like I said, those DOT Council, they're all all day counts and we're not getting a school peak here.

819
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,140
And the school, I let the planer, we'll talk about the school children, but this is not going to have a question.

820
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:32,920
But how did you look at the school, the afternoon school children, when it was four o'clock, I guess, this is my question?

821
00:53:33,460 --> 00:53:43,380
The DOT Council, when I compare them up, but before we do our counts, I look at whatever information I had to see if that situation might occur, but where do you have a big bump?

822
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:45,660
because the schools nearby, there's no school, I can even hear you.

823
00:53:45,660 --> 00:53:47,080
I guess Craig just, and it doesn't.

824
00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:52,060
Just to be clear, the DOT data that you're describing that I think you mentioned goes back,

825
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,440
I think you said almost about eight years.

826
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,740
2018 is, yeah, they have the impact that's 2018.

827
00:53:55,820 --> 00:54:00,640
Okay, so the reason that you're relying on that is because it has counts throughout the day.

828
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:01,100
Correct.

829
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,860
Yes, the 24-hour counts.

830
00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:08,320
What DOT is saying that the river road is currently running at a level B at five o'clock?

831
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:09,060
Is that correct?

832
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:11,240
No, no, no, no.

833
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:16,620
analysis is based on my thoughts. I use the DOT data to make sure that I didn't go

834
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:21,400
out there on a strange day or get some weird information or the, you know, why is

835
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,140
this off by like 50%, you know, I make, I validate that. I also look at that to see

836
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:30,940
if there is some sort of peak. I mean, obviously you can look and see if there's a

837
00:54:30,940 --> 00:54:34,420
school right across the street or right in the area then it's a, it's a concern, but

838
00:54:34,420 --> 00:54:39,500
some places you do have a bit of a school peak and that doesn't occur here. It's literally

839
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:41,200
the rush hours of the busiest.

840
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:45,280
And that data of the DOT data is in the traffic study as well?

841
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:47,340
No, it's public, it's online.

842
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:47,800
Okay.

843
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,480
We can just provide that for us.

844
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:49,880
That's fine.

845
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:50,360
Yeah, yeah.

846
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:50,700
Of course.

847
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:54,520
Can we ask the shuttle?

848
00:54:54,820 --> 00:54:58,500
Can we have it somehow not go through the residential streets like a certain...

849
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,500
Can we see what the plan is to get the shuttle...

850
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:07,520
Yeah, you want us to just provide as an exhibit like the path?

851
00:55:07,860 --> 00:55:09,860
That's great. That's fine.

852
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:13,980
And then are there handicapped electric vehicle chargers?

853
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,200
Yeah, I guess there's eight. Is it?

854
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:17,140
I mean, you said there is eight.

855
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:17,940
Yes, there are.

856
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:18,700
Eightier accessible.

857
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:24,940
Then that might be it for me.

858
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:25,660
Right now.

859
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:26,180
Go ahead, Susan.

860
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:27,320
All right.

861
00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:28,980
I'd like to...

862
00:55:28,980 --> 00:55:32,280
Well, first of all, have you done a traffic study

863
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,980
for an office building conversion

864
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:36,060
to residential presumably

865
00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:39,160
that there were beach children living there, have you done that before?

866
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:41,080
Love you.

867
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:47,220
I, for me, I would like to see the data between three and four as well.

868
00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:50,460
If you can go down from four, but down to three.

869
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:56,180
Because I'm really concerned about children getting in and out of this building.

870
00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:04,060
And then I'm looking at, I'm imagining a child, or a mom, or someone,

871
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:09,810
going down that service

872
00:56:09,810 --> 00:56:11,170
road toward River Road.

873
00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:16,630
So let's assume, first example, the parent is in the car with the child.

874
00:56:16,850 --> 00:56:19,930
So they go out of the driveway, they're in the right lane, presumably.

875
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:27,130
And then immediately, I'm going to use a technical term, have to ooch to the left lane because

876
00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:29,950
They're going toward town, presumably, toward school.

877
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:34,670
And I'm thinking there's going to be a lot of cars there.

878
00:56:34,770 --> 00:56:38,270
And that ooching process is going to be much more complicated

879
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,210
than it was before.

880
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:44,310
Because the regular flow of traffic is people coming off,

881
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:50,370
24, coming down, and sort of setting their car

882
00:56:50,370 --> 00:56:51,830
into the lane they want to be.

883
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:55,170
But these folks are in a very short period.

884
00:56:55,170 --> 00:57:01,450
going to be going from the right lane, having to pooch into the left to go into town, and I'm

885
00:57:01,450 --> 00:57:06,670
just wondering how you quantify that, how you describe that, and if there's any extra danger

886
00:57:06,670 --> 00:57:14,210
associated with that. Yeah, well the oozing is a, if we model these intersections, it's graphically,

887
00:57:14,330 --> 00:57:19,230
like the distance between the intersections and all the lanes, so that oozing process is a

888
00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:20,650
on and forth in the analysis,

889
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:23,990
and actually let me give you a general

890
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:24,390
question.

891
00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:31,570
I think that I understand better the right hand people, the people taking right out

892
00:57:31,570 --> 00:57:35,210
of the driveway and the right toward them all or something.

893
00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:41,310
But the folks coming out of the driveway are coming into traffic that's already established

894
00:57:41,310 --> 00:57:45,130
and moving at some pace, you know, 30 miles an hour or something.

895
00:57:47,050 --> 00:57:53,010
And in a very short period of time, that person is going to have to get in the right lane,

896
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:57,190
ooch over to the left lane, and I think that is going to cause a traffic complication.

897
00:57:57,750 --> 00:58:01,850
Just let me make sure I understand what I'm talking about. When you come out of the driver and you make a right

898
00:58:01,850 --> 00:58:04,270
and you mean to go left up a river.

899
00:58:04,350 --> 00:58:07,010
You make this right, you need to get over to the left lane to make the left lane.

900
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:14,530
And you're doing it in a very short period when the car is behind you already established at their rate of speed.

901
00:58:14,530 --> 00:58:22,070
I think. Well, there's no cars coming. It's not a fourth leg there, so you're either

902
00:58:22,070 --> 00:58:26,390
making the left because you're making the you turn. Well, aren't people going to be behind you?

903
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:31,110
As you're making your right, you're going to have to see if there are people behind you, right?

904
00:58:31,610 --> 00:58:35,310
Or do you traveling on the road? No, there's no, there's no

905
00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:42,130
for movement there. This is just one continuous lane. But aren't there people? Or maybe I'm

906
00:58:42,130 --> 00:58:46,350
And I'm imagining it wrong, but I think they're going to be people already traveling

907
00:58:47,290 --> 00:58:49,750
from the road, this between the Muni and the New

908
00:58:50,650 --> 00:58:52,250
residential building, right?

909
00:58:52,830 --> 00:58:55,790
Are they're going to be people already established coming down there?

910
00:58:56,730 --> 00:58:58,770
Who came off the ramp from the floor?

911
00:58:59,210 --> 00:59:00,690
So they're going to be going

912
00:59:00,690 --> 00:59:03,430
30 miles an hour or something. So

913
00:59:04,170 --> 00:59:10,970
The first thing you're going to have to do is figure out your way to get into that to make your right turn, right to get into that line of traffic

914
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:19,130
Yeah, and then you have to do the ooch. I'm just considering that that's going to, that's something that needs to be thought through.

915
00:59:19,850 --> 00:59:26,270
So I guess that's why I asked Craig when he was going to use that's the line that is all the site distances made sense.

916
00:59:26,430 --> 00:59:28,150
So everybody can see and interact.

917
00:59:28,790 --> 00:59:31,990
And then the other question I had is, the police defined also.

918
00:59:32,550 --> 00:59:33,610
That's if they did it, yes.

919
00:59:33,930 --> 00:59:36,270
Do they have anything to do with the traffic?

920
00:59:36,670 --> 00:59:36,870
No.

921
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:59,110
I just wanted to just respond and say that the police department just reviewed capital patterns and didn't have a concern with the issue and we also meet all of these scientists and suppliers and set up a flyers on their whole journey.

922
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:20,720
And I also, I'm going to want much more full-sum data for I'm assuming it's going to be very few children walking to school from this building, but the ones that might be walking are kids in high school, because it's not that far, and I don't know if you've owned a kid from high school, but they're not the most sensible people.

923
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,120
I currently have one.

924
01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:22,520
I am dead.

925
01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:26,260
And so I think you really have to be really

926
01:00:26,260 --> 01:00:29,240
full some in your understanding and our understanding

927
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,080
because kids don't do what they want you to do.

928
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,760
And I'm thinking they're not going to want to go to Irish Road

929
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,320
because you know what they're going to want?

930
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:38,980
Duncan Donuts or a bagel.

931
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:44,260
So they may very well be going right into this traffic

932
01:00:44,260 --> 01:00:45,260
that's actually moving.

933
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,460
So I really want to have a good understanding

934
01:00:47,460 --> 01:00:49,840
because you can't trust them to do the right thing.

935
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,080
So, just so I didn't think you can respond appropriately.

936
01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:55,900
Mr. Tervo, could you speak into the mic please?

937
01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:58,840
Just so we could respect that, I'm sorry.

938
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,180
So, just so we could respond appropriately.

939
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,660
The chairwoman also requested that we coordinate with your board engineer,

940
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,980
regarding sidewalk connection between the pedestrian path,

941
01:01:10,260 --> 01:01:13,280
and I think you asked for correctly, just for me,

942
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:14,520
I'm sure we're getting everything right.

943
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:17,880
You asked for additional data between three and four.

944
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,320
I think for me other than the fact that

945
01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:35,030
it's not great to have this building here when it wasn't there before, I'm really concerned about safety and I was just thinking about high school kids who don't, they're not going to do what you want.

946
01:01:35,310 --> 01:01:43,810
To be clear though, as far as where we want to know pedestrians can go, you're saying, not Irish, where are you saying they're, they need to be saying, they're going to go to your board.

947
01:01:43,810 --> 01:01:50,590
I want a bigger one I want to don't know before I go to school. So I'm probably not going to go on

948
01:01:50,590 --> 01:01:59,390
I'm probably going to keep it like River Road. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and I just make sure that I'm safe

949
01:01:59,390 --> 01:02:06,230
I want I want these children to be safe. Got all sort of way and crossing there is not kind of

950
01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:12,630
Yeah, and you know now that I have the aerial up this was marked the last time it's the aerial exhibit

951
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:16,310
data, July 27th, 18th probably.

952
01:02:17,110 --> 01:02:19,610
The area is a one actually.

953
01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:22,190
Yeah, I think you could see a little bit better.

954
01:02:22,990 --> 01:02:25,310
There is a crosswalk crossing the connector,

955
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:29,010
and then there's a sidewalk on the west side

956
01:02:29,010 --> 01:02:31,670
of the river road ramp that just ends.

957
01:02:32,050 --> 01:02:35,130
And then it picks up, and approximately that location

958
01:02:35,130 --> 01:02:37,150
on the opposite side, and connects the iris.

959
01:02:38,030 --> 01:02:40,590
So there's just whatever went on there's

960
01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:45,130
disconnect and we want to connect to the sidewalk network and the most efficient way for exactly

961
01:02:45,130 --> 01:02:48,990
what you're saying but how best to do that I think we need to do that. I think that we need to

962
01:02:48,990 --> 01:02:54,450
need to understand that really really well because no apartment building is worth a dead 15

963
01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:59,870
year olds. It's just not. Right and we need to work with them to come up with a plan and they're

964
01:02:59,870 --> 01:03:08,310
going to present it at the September meeting what they came up with. Okay. Okay. Correct? Yes. Okay.

965
01:03:08,310 --> 01:03:10,510
Great. So, next.

966
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:13,390
Well, thank you, Chairman.

967
01:03:14,130 --> 01:03:16,350
Some of my questions are all being already been addressed.

968
01:03:16,770 --> 01:03:20,030
But I guess one of your earlier comments, Mr. Perigoy,

969
01:03:20,530 --> 01:03:21,870
and thanks for your remarks.

970
01:03:23,110 --> 01:03:26,510
You mentioned that the historic data showed a decrease in traffic

971
01:03:27,170 --> 01:03:29,670
at certain intersections over time,

972
01:03:30,130 --> 01:03:34,450
and the perception in some of it is that the traffic on river out is getting worse.

973
01:03:34,450 --> 01:03:42,110
I'm curious about that, what if that is, in fact, what you said, and where we can find that data to back that out.

974
01:03:42,570 --> 01:03:58,510
Yeah, it's the NGOT has count stations in certain places, and they have one actually right on River Road that didn't go as recent as 2026, but they also have another one on JFK Parkway.

975
01:03:58,510 --> 01:04:02,410
And that's the one that's actually going down.

976
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:06,550
Now, there's a lot of things that impact what the perception is.

977
01:04:06,610 --> 01:04:15,450
It may be less volume, but there's more traffic signals or, you know, if you're in an urban area more on street parking we do versus a lot of things that affect traffic other than the number of cars.

978
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:22,310
So I suspect that's why the perception is that it's getting worse, but those volumes are consistent and somewhat dropping.

979
01:04:23,050 --> 01:04:25,950
Not growing by 2.25% per year for sure.

980
01:04:25,950 --> 01:04:28,630
Well, if you can share that data, I would be very interested to see.

981
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:32,330
Yeah, we wrote that down as you wanted us to provide that as part of it.

982
01:04:32,550 --> 01:04:32,970
That's terrific.

983
01:04:34,790 --> 01:04:41,750
There was a question about the other potential uses of a long-term, long-term storage parking area.

984
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:53,890
In a similar vein, is there a possibility to have memberships to the pool or to a health facility that could be attracting others to come to this site?

985
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:55,150
if they're only for the residents.

986
01:04:55,850 --> 01:04:59,050
So there's no possibility of having that virus.

987
01:05:01,250 --> 01:05:06,510
And I noted that the traffic study conducted on 19th of February

988
01:05:06,510 --> 01:05:08,850
was that Thursday after President's day,

989
01:05:09,170 --> 01:05:11,850
which is a week where a lot of people think vacation time.

990
01:05:12,430 --> 01:05:15,210
So I don't know if that is the best time to have done it.

991
01:05:15,690 --> 01:05:17,910
I don't know if there's a way to adjust for that.

992
01:05:18,970 --> 01:05:21,910
Well, I think Mr. Stern also mentioned that.

993
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:24,010
that you're going to dress it again?

994
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:24,550
You'd like.

995
01:05:25,610 --> 01:05:28,750
And like I said, there's always,

996
01:05:29,690 --> 01:05:32,010
everything is an actual something day or whatever,

997
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:34,870
so you look for what's a typical day when schools are open

998
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:37,930
to do the traffic counts and then I'm able to use other data

999
01:05:37,930 --> 01:05:39,190
to compare it to.

1000
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:40,550
That's how.

1001
01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:42,710
Okay, so I didn't hear him say that.

1002
01:05:43,630 --> 01:05:45,030
Yeah, no, that's okay.

1003
01:05:45,630 --> 01:05:49,330
It's a valid question because it's typically a lesser,

1004
01:05:49,330 --> 01:05:51,370
There are a lot of people are away.

1005
01:05:52,070 --> 01:05:57,330
I can type with these levels of service, even if the volumes are 15 to 20% low, which

1006
01:05:57,330 --> 01:06:09,550
would be unusual even for any type of holiday, the change in conditions from this, with or

1007
01:06:09,550 --> 01:06:11,610
without this, would not be impacted.

1008
01:06:12,290 --> 01:06:18,170
So when you move on to Delta, then the specifics, and that's really what the analysis does.

1009
01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:25,530
By being conservative with high growth rates, assuming being going to be, you were able to take some of those questions out of it.

1010
01:06:25,630 --> 01:06:27,490
What if the next day it was a little bit higher?

1011
01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:29,030
The next day it was a little bit lower.

1012
01:06:29,810 --> 01:06:33,110
You're kind of buffering from that when you do these analyses.

1013
01:06:34,930 --> 01:06:40,050
So when you look at the three, three o'clock hours of the four o'clock,

1014
01:06:40,450 --> 01:06:46,090
the reason I think a lot of this traffic is felt in the community is because there are four schools,

1015
01:06:46,090 --> 01:06:53,430
basically going out from Morris. So if you have any of those data points along Morris that could

1016
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:56,670
inform that would help as well. Sure.

1017
01:07:00,790 --> 01:07:07,610
Mr. Golden. Thank you, Madam Chair. So PSH, per side hour,

1018
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:14,790
is that where we're talking about? I think street hour. So, how do you come up with the number of trips?

1019
01:07:14,790 --> 01:07:25,330
You look at 198 units, an average of number of cars per unit, and you plug it into the software.

1020
01:07:26,170 --> 01:07:29,530
It's the ITE. It's a trip generation manual.

1021
01:07:32,780 --> 01:07:47,760
We started out with a projection of number of cars. Well, and for this it's the number of units, so 198 units, and a mid-rise, residential building, and a suburban location, and that's how you get the car number.

1022
01:07:50,270 --> 01:07:53,290
But don't you factor in the number of cars per unit?

1023
01:07:56,010 --> 01:08:03,030
Sorry, we have to break because one of our members on to bathroom and I said you could, but he shouldn't.

1024
01:08:03,850 --> 01:08:05,270
We don't want to dismiss any testimony.

1025
01:08:06,610 --> 01:08:09,630
So we're going to take what?

1026
01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:11,790
Five minutes break.

1027
01:08:12,570 --> 01:08:13,610
Five minutes.

1028
01:08:14,010 --> 01:08:14,710
Five minutes break.

1029
01:08:15,550 --> 01:08:15,790
Thank you.

1030
01:08:16,410 --> 01:08:17,330
ready

1031
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:22,080
to proceed?

1032
01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:27,860
I didn't know we had an injury. I didn't hear her.

1033
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,920
We're not going to show us injuries.

1034
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:36,500
Thank you.

1035
01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:39,620
You ready, Mr. Cheval?

1036
01:08:42,620 --> 01:08:43,140
Yes.

1037
01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:45,200
We're back.

1038
01:08:46,820 --> 01:08:50,240
I think we were at the last question from board now.

1039
01:08:52,020 --> 01:08:59,760
So, the trip generation data, so the ITE publishes traffic counts that are conducted at various

1040
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,520
land uses throughout the country, in this case, and in the case that we're looking at

1041
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:08,980
a mid-rise residential building and a suburban location they have, dense urban and

1042
01:09:08,980 --> 01:09:12,600
center city, because obviously the traffic generation characteristics are different.

1043
01:09:13,220 --> 01:09:17,880
Residential is one of the most studying land uses that ITE has, so there's a lot of data,

1044
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,640
And the independent variable that you use is the number of units.

1045
01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:30,160
So of buildings of this nature, somebody sat there and counted how many cars go in and

1046
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:34,160
how many cars go out, and then you get a rate from the number of units.

1047
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,420
So that's what we do.

1048
01:09:36,780 --> 01:09:37,020
Thank you.

1049
01:09:39,790 --> 01:09:40,650
We passed all their questions.

1050
01:09:40,730 --> 01:09:41,950
Any follow-ups real quick?

1051
01:09:42,230 --> 01:09:42,910
Just have one.

1052
01:09:43,150 --> 01:09:43,550
Oh, okay.

1053
01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:53,630
You mentioned there's a letter from the police on, well, we're discussing board. I don't think it's in our packet, so if we could have that sent to the board.

1054
01:09:53,850 --> 01:09:59,210
Regarding the, regarding the, um, the exiting and the movement, remember?

1055
01:09:59,310 --> 01:10:07,010
Yeah, I saw the response letter to, I saw like a one liner, but if we had to get the original letter just for the packet, that'd be great.

1056
01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:08,750
I don't know who, I think I said the U.S.

1057
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:09,350
What was it?

1058
01:10:09,690 --> 01:10:19,670
The letter from the police chief regarding the new driveway and site triangles and what was that

1059
01:10:19,670 --> 01:10:21,410
was that from the informal TRC?

1060
01:10:21,650 --> 01:10:23,130
I think there was something I'll double check.

1061
01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:26,530
I thought there was something from the police department in the packet, but I'll double check it.

1062
01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:28,490
I think it just says no comments that I could.

1063
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:34,550
It was something that wasn't included in staff comments, something longer than what was included

1064
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:35,410
in the staff comments.

1065
01:10:35,410 --> 01:10:42,450
I guess what it would be appropriate to ask what was in the TRC then, is that if it was in TRC, if there's a document in TRC.

1066
01:10:43,230 --> 01:10:49,190
I was sitting in the TRC meeting and there were the police officers in the room, somebody mentioned the driveway.

1067
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:52,550
Oh no, we'll go with it so that was my recollection.

1068
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:53,570
What got in writing?

1069
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:57,490
We should, let's get that in writing, please.

1070
01:10:57,890 --> 01:10:59,690
From whoever's in the city's responsibility.

1071
01:11:00,210 --> 01:11:05,650
over. I guess I'm kind of comment from the police chief about circulation of a formal

1072
01:11:05,650 --> 01:11:06,490
written report.

1073
01:11:09,170 --> 01:11:12,610
Maybe it should after Marie works with them with regard to the pedestrians

1074
01:11:13,190 --> 01:11:16,890
and that whole area may be then they can look at it. We can also include the police

1075
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:21,850
department in those discussions. Yeah, that's true. I think it might be more relevant than

1076
01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:26,890
actually. Okay. Good idea. We did something. I know we did, but I didn't have it

1077
01:11:29,690 --> 01:11:37,610
It's dated June 30th, no, that's the comments do date, dated June 30th, and the police said,

1078
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:41,450
I just asked that the guidelines set forth for traffic safety are followed without any deviation,

1079
01:11:41,690 --> 01:11:43,930
unless pollution is granted ahead of time by the SPD.

1080
01:11:47,490 --> 01:11:50,570
And like I said, my personal conversation with them in the TRC meeting,

1081
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:54,310
talking about the driveway, they were happy to stay where it is.

1082
01:11:54,970 --> 01:11:58,790
Doesn't there, but based on the comments that we had before, we're happy to incorporate them

1083
01:11:58,790 --> 01:12:02,750
Those discussions, but yeah, I knew they issued some of them just comment on that

1084
01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:05,010
We're gonna have some changes so that that's fun

1085
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:11,490
Okay, if you want to confirm, let's share him that that was included in the staff comments, but that's not what you wanted

1086
01:12:11,490 --> 01:12:14,890
If there was more detail, I would say let's get it, but it's not

1087
01:12:14,890 --> 01:12:17,510
No, but I think we're resolving that out by

1088
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:19,450
I'm cooperating in that process

1089
01:12:20,030 --> 01:12:23,890
Okay, so are you gonna bring your next with us?

1090
01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:26,530
Public comment. I'm so sorry

1091
01:12:26,530 --> 01:12:28,290
Do you want it? It is time for it

1092
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:31,570
For professionals, then public comment.

1093
01:12:32,650 --> 01:12:33,430
Just jump in the gun.

1094
01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:34,230
I'm so sorry.

1095
01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:35,710
That's okay.

1096
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:50,040
Could you talk about some of the sight distance at the entrances and exits on to River Road?

1097
01:12:51,260 --> 01:12:51,460
Yes.

1098
01:12:52,780 --> 01:13:00,100
The sight distance from exiting the driveway looking to the left is obviously the most critical.

1099
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:01,700
a lot of the rise of the road is pretty straight.

1100
01:13:08,270 --> 01:13:10,330
I just wanted to pull up that proposed.

1101
01:13:11,790 --> 01:13:12,110
Yeah.

1102
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:23,990
So the main visibility that I wanted to check and make sure was that the site distance from turning right looking to your left when you come out of River Road.

1103
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:31,970
And we meet the site distance for, you know, the minimum visibility is coming around that corner for 45 miles per hour.

1104
01:13:31,970 --> 01:13:35,730
And that's a, you really couldn't take that turn at that speed.

1105
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:38,750
But there's a advisory sign for 20 miles per hour.

1106
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:41,130
So if I the letter of the law, we're not even close,

1107
01:13:41,230 --> 01:13:42,990
but I wanted to look at the more realistic,

1108
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:44,230
do we need it?

1109
01:13:44,710 --> 01:13:46,130
Yes, the visibility would be there.

1110
01:13:46,530 --> 01:13:48,290
The only thing that we need to be sure of,

1111
01:13:48,330 --> 01:13:50,430
and we will, is to make sure that any of the landscaping

1112
01:13:50,430 --> 01:13:52,210
or anything that's proposed in this area,

1113
01:13:52,670 --> 01:13:53,310
isn't an obstruction.

1114
01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:58,060
And we'll hear about landscaping later on

1115
01:13:58,060 --> 01:13:59,540
from the landscaping tax.

1116
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,340
So we'll all go to the office on questions on that.

1117
01:14:01,340 --> 01:14:11,160
So just to reiterate, what you're saying is that those site triangles that you're showing on there are for 45 miles an hour.

1118
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:19,240
And, but you're saying that that turn can't even be taken at that, and it's also signed for less.

1119
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:19,760
Is that correct?

1120
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:20,640
It's signed for less.

1121
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:28,000
The site triangles that you're seeing on site plan are, that's the site triangle where you keep things from being right to mediums of the driveway.

1122
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:37,440
I'm talking about the actual ash-dose like distance and if you like we can put that we could put that on the plan as well

1123
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:40,870
That would actually we'd be good right. Thank you

1124
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:58,880
The 58 electric vehicle charging stations spaces all be up and running at the time of occupancy or are they going to stay staged over the next series?

1125
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,060
I think we would just comply with the statute in terms of the phasing requirements.

1126
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:06,200
Okay. You would put some of them in at the beginning and others.

1127
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,700
Right. We would, we would add a minimum, we would add a minimum, comply with what the statute requires.

1128
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:18,020
And I know that since we're, I'm sure you're aware of this, but I just want to put it on the record.

1129
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:26,460
Now that we're changing some of the engineering plans for the width of the roadway, the loading space.

1130
01:15:26,460 --> 01:15:29,980
I just want to make sure they're in corporate need to do the plan set.

1131
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:30,820
Yeah, no, of course.

1132
01:15:30,980 --> 01:15:35,180
We just want to, I guess that there was only a few weeks between meetings and I know that

1133
01:15:35,180 --> 01:15:38,800
that was one of the boards, like, you know, main comments, so we just wanted to get that in.

1134
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,280
But yeah, the full set would be updated.

1135
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:41,720
There's great.

1136
01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:42,940
Great.

1137
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:46,060
And I appreciate that there was a short amount of time.

1138
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,820
You know, it's much easier for me to review those as well when there's only a small change.

1139
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:51,720
So I appreciate that.

1140
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:52,140
No problem.

1141
01:15:58,790 --> 01:16:05,910
The exhibit that has the fire truck, the one that we've presented tonight, Maria.

1142
01:16:06,410 --> 01:16:11,290
Do you have, can you talk about the exiting on that as well?

1143
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:14,230
I mean, it shows the entrance of the fire truck.

1144
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:19,130
Could you talk about if there are any constraints for the exiting of that fire truck?

1145
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:22,010
Well, it's essentially take the reverse path.

1146
01:16:22,110 --> 01:16:26,790
The only constraint is if he pulls into this circle like he is,

1147
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:32,570
Swing in that left would take a reverse maneuver and back presumably that's when the you know

1148
01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:35,510
That's obviously when the emergency is done and he's clearing out there.

1149
01:16:40,540 --> 01:16:42,900
I think that's I think that's it's all I had for now

1150
01:16:47,970 --> 01:16:53,170
Madam chair. I was so I forgot to swear you and because I swore in your colleague last time

1151
01:16:53,170 --> 01:16:56,610
That's what you swear to God or firm testimony about to give us a truth the whole truth enough

1152
01:16:56,610 --> 01:17:00,430
But the truth I do thank you. I know you can ask questions first probably but certainly

1153
01:17:00,430 --> 01:17:04,750
And just to identify myself, Edward Snikes with the firm at Barges Associates, filling in for Joe

1154
01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:06,870
Barges this evening, who's out of town.

1155
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:12,710
Just a few quick questions with regard to the site distances from the entrance.

1156
01:17:13,330 --> 01:17:19,430
I also wanted to know if you felt you took a look at the monument sign that is near the exit

1157
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:22,610
of Route 24 on to River Road.

1158
01:17:23,050 --> 01:17:23,550
I did.

1159
01:17:23,570 --> 01:17:28,790
I used that as the basically the limiting factor for the visibility.

1160
01:17:29,410 --> 01:17:36,410
Although I think that's going to sit down low, so maybe I'll be able to see beyond it, but I thought that was the important kind of cutoff.

1161
01:17:36,990 --> 01:17:47,010
Okay, you feel that there's still a safe enough distance for a car turning on to river road and possibly some minor stacking on river road going into the entrance of the driveway.

1162
01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:48,370
Yes, in a worse case.

1163
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:58,530
With regard to the loading in an unloading area, typically on move-in day, that's where that loading area be used.

1164
01:17:59,430 --> 01:18:01,710
sort of move in day for the residents?

1165
01:18:02,250 --> 01:18:04,310
Yeah, building like this is typically would be scheduled.

1166
01:18:04,910 --> 01:18:07,810
So when you're moving in, if you need the loadings on,

1167
01:18:07,970 --> 01:18:10,670
most people probably move into these apartments with smaller vehicles,

1168
01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:12,050
and you can just choose their parking space,

1169
01:18:12,130 --> 01:18:14,490
but if you need that loading zone, because you have a larger vehicle,

1170
01:18:14,910 --> 01:18:17,790
you'd schedule all the time, so that would be a conflict within.

1171
01:18:18,130 --> 01:18:21,270
Okay, I guess that would be scheduled as far as loading in the loading zone.

1172
01:18:21,550 --> 01:18:27,530
Yeah. Okay. Also, that seems to be adjacent to your trash area for the building.

1173
01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:37,990
So a trash truck can make that turn as well as obviously the fire truck, but then the trash truck to leave the site would go up and around that same

1174
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:41,110
I guess drop off area south into the building.

1175
01:18:42,130 --> 01:18:49,390
They could, or they could, we consider the possibility of them coming out of the emergency driveway when it's in delivery vehicle or something like that,

1176
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:54,390
because it would be a little bit quicker, but they could, but the trash truck wouldn't do the emergency.

1177
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:56,870
Yeah, access to that point, we'll go up around.

1178
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:58,550
But they can make a turn at the top.

1179
01:18:58,770 --> 01:18:59,530
Yes, I'll go up there.

1180
01:18:59,830 --> 01:19:01,130
Yes, that's really my fire truck.

1181
01:19:01,290 --> 01:19:01,850
It's a little tight.

1182
01:19:03,690 --> 01:19:05,690
And most of the deliveries I would imagine

1183
01:19:05,690 --> 01:19:08,730
would be your parcel of vehicles like UPS or Amazon.

1184
01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:11,590
They would go up to that central main entrance

1185
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:12,750
at the south under the building.

1186
01:19:12,990 --> 01:19:14,270
Yeah, the loading zone would be

1187
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:15,810
from building function loading.

1188
01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:17,870
I've moved in and moved out, so somebody

1189
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:20,510
would have a refrigerator or something like that.

1190
01:19:23,450 --> 01:19:27,310
I'm sorry if I didn't hear this or wasn't aware of this just may have been covered by the engineer.

1191
01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:30,490
But the generator that's proposed to the building, is that natural gas?

1192
01:19:31,770 --> 01:19:32,290
Do we know?

1193
01:19:32,850 --> 01:19:34,470
Or is that going to be diesel fuel?

1194
01:19:35,850 --> 01:19:36,410
Natural gas?

1195
01:19:36,570 --> 01:19:38,630
Okay, so there's no need for a delivery for that.

1196
01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:39,730
Then, thank you.

1197
01:19:40,010 --> 01:19:40,490
No further questions?

1198
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:41,470
Okay, thank you.

1199
01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:42,510
All right.

1200
01:19:43,010 --> 01:19:45,410
So now, can you get a look up?

1201
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:46,390
Is it that?

1202
01:19:46,510 --> 01:19:48,930
Just to clarify, this is just questions of this witness.

1203
01:19:52,690 --> 01:20:01,530
So what you do is you come up to the podium and you state your name and your address and ask your questions of this witness.

1204
01:20:02,090 --> 01:20:07,950
If you have a question about architecture or some other something, then you just wait until that witness comes.

1205
01:20:08,130 --> 01:20:08,950
Okay, thank you.

1206
01:20:09,310 --> 01:20:10,770
Hi, I'm Carly Mulvie.

1207
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:12,230
I live at 7.

1208
01:20:12,450 --> 01:20:16,750
I have a couple questions.

1209
01:20:16,750 --> 01:20:24,450
And so I'm going to go slowly here, so I apologize, but I just want to make sure I read

1210
01:20:24,450 --> 01:20:25,310
your traffic study.

1211
01:20:25,710 --> 01:20:26,410
It's very thorough.

1212
01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:27,330
There's a lot of information.

1213
01:20:28,650 --> 01:20:33,890
I want to make sure I understand the baseline correctly, so we're talking about two hypothetical

1214
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:34,450
scenarios.

1215
01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:40,430
We're talking about no build, which is currently a vacant office building that we're assuming

1216
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,950
it's fully occupied, but in the current environment.

1217
01:20:43,950 --> 01:20:46,890
No, I didn't assume that my analysis.

1218
01:20:47,130 --> 01:20:47,770
Okay.

1219
01:20:48,610 --> 01:20:49,850
It's vacant now.

1220
01:20:50,370 --> 01:20:53,010
So my analysis is if we were doing this over trees.

1221
01:20:54,330 --> 01:21:01,670
So is there any sort of base of like Aziz traffic on River Road and then a no build and a residential?

1222
01:21:03,070 --> 01:21:03,230
Yeah.

1223
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:07,150
The counts we did are the 2026 volumes.

1224
01:21:07,490 --> 01:21:08,110
We grow them.

1225
01:21:08,690 --> 01:21:12,850
This case I did three years to get the 29 baseline volumes.

1226
01:21:12,850 --> 01:21:18,910
Okay, analyze that, and then I add the traffic from this project, and then analyze it again, and see what the difference is.

1227
01:21:19,090 --> 01:21:23,850
Okay, okay, so your baseline is, is as is.

1228
01:21:25,090 --> 01:21:25,230
Yes.

1229
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:26,890
And then a hypothetical residential.

1230
01:21:27,490 --> 01:21:27,750
Right.

1231
01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:29,170
Okay, I did the office.

1232
01:21:29,410 --> 01:21:31,550
I just, that was for information, but I didn't.

1233
01:21:31,630 --> 01:21:31,930
Okay.

1234
01:21:32,730 --> 01:21:40,710
Okay, so the assumptions that you put into your, or, are very important for the residential aspect of this, because that is hypothetical.

1235
01:21:40,710 --> 01:21:46,170
So the assumptions of the traffic and the build and the cars and the growth rate. Those are very important

1236
01:21:47,230 --> 01:21:54,010
Yes, okay, so I'm gonna start with the 2.5% growth number. So

1237
01:21:54,670 --> 01:21:57,650
We're all very familiar with this right

1238
01:21:58,390 --> 01:22:01,150
We're all residents of the town although it's a county road

1239
01:22:01,150 --> 01:22:04,170
We all use this all the time and there's a

1240
01:22:04,170 --> 01:22:09,050
A ton of complaints about congestion traffic. So I think we can all align there as a base

1241
01:22:09,050 --> 01:22:21,930
I worked with the City of Summit for three years recently to get the no-left medium that is now on Iris Road from River Road.

1242
01:22:21,930 --> 01:22:29,970
This is some of it conducted three years worth of traffic studies to conclude.

1243
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:42,120
That the traffic on iris road had increased over 30% within 3 years. So I'm going to finish before I ask a follow-up question on that.

1244
01:22:43,860 --> 01:22:50,200
But is your 2.5% growth rate applied only to river road?

1245
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:55,180
But it's all the accounts that we sent to River Road, the connector road, the ramp and...

1246
01:22:55,180 --> 01:22:59,180
But no off streets. So no one's saying, I'm frustrated, I'm River Road, I'm turning.

1247
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:07,440
No, I think that's why you received the increase on addresses because people were using it as a cutthroat when the new signal went in down in the chat.

1248
01:23:07,580 --> 01:23:10,640
Right, right. So we see the city of Summit.

1249
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:13,920
It just has to be a question only because we're...

1250
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,420
I didn't understand the 2.5% growth rate.

1251
01:23:19,220 --> 01:23:26,460
So my question is, so one day study is that standard?

1252
01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:28,220
Okay.

1253
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:31,620
Is that standard for the city assignment?

1254
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,560
The questions have to be of the witness.

1255
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:35,160
Okay.

1256
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:44,820
Can I ask, I don't know if I can ask this, but has our city engineer provided any feedback on the independent traffic study that you provided?

1257
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:45,620
Were the county?

1258
01:23:45,980 --> 01:23:52,600
Yes, your board engineer, the board engineer, the board's engineer, reviews our traffic report as part of the,

1259
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:58,520
as part of their review, in addition to that, the county looks at it, the DOT looks at it,

1260
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,220
and I believe, like I said before, the police department identity as well.

1261
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:07,920
So multiple layers of jurisdictions looked at it and that's why Craig was indicating,

1262
01:24:07,940 --> 01:24:11,100
well, the methodologies that they accept as part of the analysis.

1263
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:17,420
So is there any feedback or commentary that's that can be public or no, it just goes through?

1264
01:24:17,660 --> 01:24:18,720
No, all of that's public.

1265
01:24:19,060 --> 01:24:22,040
All of like the city engineer and everyone's feedback is public.

1266
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:28,260
Every document whether the county responds, the state responds, the city responds every document is public.

1267
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:29,040
That's correct.

1268
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:35,140
Is that located on the website or does that what source would we be able to see that documentation notes?

1269
01:24:35,140 --> 01:24:41,060
I think for this study maybe Jessica Kinsey Kate is all the all the other review letters

1270
01:24:41,060 --> 01:24:45,360
are with your office correct yes you can come to the DCS counter if you want to view the

1271
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:49,900
application file or you can look on the city website we have staff comments yeah so the board

1272
01:24:49,900 --> 01:24:57,240
engineers comments are in there okay okay I miss something I guess but um okay one thing that I

1273
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:05,120
didn't understand and maybe you can explain this to me in the roots and everyone has kind of

1274
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:14,000
And clearly see the roots that you're assuming students will take to elementary high school

1275
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:20,180
or middle school in terms of quantifiable numbers of where it increases from a residential

1276
01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:22,620
versus a non-built.

1277
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:29,240
But you would assume that if it's a residential building, not an office building, my assumption

1278
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:33,960
would be that there's people who are residents of summer who need to go to schools.

1279
01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:40,560
I couldn't understand from your tables, what roots you were building in for those people to get to school.

1280
01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:42,940
But that's, we were just having that discussion.

1281
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,920
We've been looking into it because the sidewalk network is so incomplete around here,

1282
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,000
and there's so many different options on how to connect it,

1283
01:25:50,620 --> 01:25:54,960
that we're going to work with your board engineer and the police department to figure out the best way to do that.

1284
01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:58,960
But just cars line, elementary school students, you're not going to have a,

1285
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:04,320
first second third fourth grader walk they're going to be driven so that wasn't built into your

1286
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:04,560
sense.

1287
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,840
That's built in yet because any other building that the ITE data accountant but a head

1288
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:16,260
children remember to be taking the school and not it all anybody who turns into an out

1289
01:26:16,260 --> 01:26:18,860
of one of these projects is where that data source from.

1290
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:23,140
Now I should point out that the shuttle service they're providing is probably going to take

1291
01:26:23,140 --> 01:26:28,180
a lot of those drive to work trips put them all in one van and drive them to the train station

1292
01:26:28,180 --> 01:26:29,260
I didn't take credit for that.

1293
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:30,620
I used the straight up by the E numbers,

1294
01:26:30,940 --> 01:26:32,260
but all those vehicles are included.

1295
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,360
So for Washington, what was the route you assumed?

1296
01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:39,500
Marisav or back up to Canoeberg Parkway,

1297
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:40,280
based on where you're located?

1298
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,540
I don't look into the specific route for each individual,

1299
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:44,720
a person living there.

1300
01:26:44,860 --> 01:26:46,360
You look at the overall traffic patterns

1301
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:50,500
and then you assign the overall traffic patterns.

1302
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:55,080
Right, but you would see the route built into numbers.

1303
01:26:55,420 --> 01:26:57,040
So just so we're all on the same page.

1304
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:04,880
Your question is, because I just want to make sure there's no disconnect in your question. Your question is did he as part of his study

1305
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:11,600
Billed in a walkable route for it. No, a driving route. No, she's not a driving route. Okay, first it to go there. Okay

1306
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,240
Right, if you look figure four

1307
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:20,200
Yeah, it was the distribution of the percentage distribution track, but it's not done by saying okay the person who lives in units six is gonna work here

1308
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:26,920
And the person who goes to this school is gonna go here. It's done based on the overall traffic patterns and and where arterial roadways are

1309
01:27:28,140 --> 01:27:34,020
It's a best guest projection could five more people turn right than I said or five more people turn left of course

1310
01:27:34,020 --> 01:27:40,780
So we're doing you know the best projection that we can you can't micro analyze where every single person's going to go because we don't know who's going to live there

1311
01:27:40,780 --> 01:27:47,360
Yeah, this schools are a set destination. So I just assumed it would be clear in the report, but I hear what you're saying

1312
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:48,460
So I'll move on

1313
01:27:49,300 --> 01:27:52,460
So my next question is peak holiday shopping periods

1314
01:27:52,460 --> 01:27:57,040
So we talked about a lot, about weekday traffic,

1315
01:27:58,020 --> 01:28:00,300
mornings, evenings, one day study and February.

1316
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,340
Have you accounted for holiday traffic

1317
01:28:03,340 --> 01:28:04,380
to the short-hills mall?

1318
01:28:05,420 --> 01:28:07,860
No, I'm looking at typical days.

1319
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:09,520
You don't look for anomaly days.

1320
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:10,420
That's what you want to do.

1321
01:28:10,420 --> 01:28:11,040
It's a season.

1322
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:12,160
You've got a typical day.

1323
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:14,540
I mean, it's an anomaly season in fairness.

1324
01:28:15,460 --> 01:28:17,780
I would just wonder if that maybe should be considered.

1325
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,480
So I'm a little wrong from that as well.

1326
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:24,540
So, I do have,

1327
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:32,900
I think that's all my questions on that.

1328
01:28:34,580 --> 01:28:42,540
So, you still, this part of the testimony was regarding parking snow removal cracks.

1329
01:28:42,580 --> 01:28:45,100
Can I ask the question on that parking parking?

1330
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:46,140
Okay.

1331
01:28:46,140 --> 01:28:54,040
So, I'm wondering where Snow will be stored on this property after a significant snow storm,

1332
01:28:54,200 --> 01:29:00,480
and I ask that because I've driven past this property for approximately 10 years, and the parking lot

1333
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:04,140
regularly has substantial snow accumulation in our snow bay.

1334
01:29:04,180 --> 01:29:09,940
Parting treatment, but again, just so everyone's clear on those, there'll be a public comment period

1335
01:29:09,940 --> 01:29:15,060
if it's pertinent to the question, but I think you might have asked the question without going through

1336
01:29:15,060 --> 01:29:16,520
What happened the last 10 years?

1337
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,540
Where's the snow removal going to happen?

1338
01:29:18,540 --> 01:29:19,560
How's it going to work, right?

1339
01:29:19,940 --> 01:29:23,020
So, okay, is there a plan for snow storage

1340
01:29:23,020 --> 01:29:26,420
that demonstrates adequate parking emergency access

1341
01:29:27,180 --> 01:29:29,620
and what will happen after a major snow event?

1342
01:29:29,940 --> 01:29:30,760
Has that been thought through?

1343
01:29:31,180 --> 01:29:32,940
Yeah, we don't have a specific snow storage plan

1344
01:29:32,940 --> 01:29:35,720
because the vast majority of the parking is indoors,

1345
01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:36,960
so there's not a snow issue.

1346
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:39,780
It's just these outside circulation roads.

1347
01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:43,560
There's room for a smaller event to plow it

1348
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:47,900
of the landscape areas. If it's a three-footer, we'll probably have to hire somebody to

1349
01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:52,780
truck it off just like any place. Okay, so. But it'll look better than the office because

1350
01:29:52,780 --> 01:29:55,940
there's going to actually be active people living here, so they're going to want to clean them.

1351
01:29:56,020 --> 01:29:59,980
No, it's not a concern about aesthetics. It's a concern about safety. So that's...

1352
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,920
That's what the question was based on. But I think that covers all my questions. Thank you.

1353
01:30:09,410 --> 01:30:16,450
Good evening, Peter Cain, three Irish Road. So I'm not sure if you answered the last question.

1354
01:30:16,850 --> 01:30:22,610
So I am also familiar as my neighbor was with the traffic study that was done by the city engineer.

1355
01:30:23,330 --> 01:30:32,970
God bless him, Aaron Schreger, I miss him. Which I think he found something in the order of 3600 additional cars on Irish Road,

1356
01:30:32,970 --> 01:30:35,790
over the course of his study, which is extraordinary.

1357
01:30:36,990 --> 01:30:39,810
Thank goodness, because that's how we got the no-lepturn.

1358
01:30:40,150 --> 01:30:43,510
So did you look at that study information?

1359
01:30:43,970 --> 01:30:45,810
Is it available to you and have you incorporated

1360
01:30:45,810 --> 01:30:47,230
that into your figures?

1361
01:30:48,270 --> 01:30:52,510
That when we did the counts, that was already done.

1362
01:30:52,650 --> 01:30:55,730
Did you look at Aaron Traders analysis of Irish Road?

1363
01:30:55,850 --> 01:30:56,190
Yes.

1364
01:30:56,670 --> 01:30:59,190
And that that was due to a cut-through traffic

1365
01:30:59,190 --> 01:31:00,850
from a different condition that has enough

1366
01:31:00,850 --> 01:31:01,770
from this road.

1367
01:31:01,770 --> 01:31:09,190
correct? Yeah. Okay. So from River Road, 300 to 600 cars a day on Irish Road. You looked at that

1368
01:31:09,190 --> 01:31:13,390
data and you incorporated that into your analysis. I didn't need to incorporate into the

1369
01:31:13,390 --> 01:31:18,250
house. It's already been taken care of. Really? With your conservative quote unquote conservative

1370
01:31:18,250 --> 01:31:24,390
estimates. Yeah. I didn't analyze the intersection of Irish Road and River Road. So anybody who

1371
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:30,570
is going through this area was a counter. There's also been recent traffic studies on

1372
01:31:30,570 --> 01:31:36,410
of a department that is a feeder road, indirect feeder road, have you incorporated those into your

1373
01:31:36,410 --> 01:31:36,830
analysis?

1374
01:31:38,490 --> 01:31:45,310
Have you incorporated the impact since we had the no-lept turn implemented on Iris Road to

1375
01:31:45,310 --> 01:31:48,850
Woodland and River Road and Fay and Brainard?

1376
01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:52,390
I'm not doing a traffic study for the city and for their circulation issues.

1377
01:31:52,510 --> 01:31:55,710
I'm doing a traffic study to discern the impacts of putting this building.

1378
01:31:55,810 --> 01:31:57,590
And we're trying to determine the quality of life.

1379
01:31:57,670 --> 01:31:58,610
Thank you.

1380
01:31:59,990 --> 01:32:05,650
The change in your quality of life or the change in the traffic impacts from this building is what my report is.

1381
01:32:05,650 --> 01:32:10,950
Are you aware of the impact that the current construction traffic has had on ancillary roads?

1382
01:32:11,950 --> 01:32:12,750
That's irrelevant.

1383
01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:21,540
The sidewalks. Why was the crosswalk eliminated?

1384
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,960
It was a concern that it was like kind of in the middle of the block.

1385
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:33,140
In the middle of a stretcher road where you're coming off a highway ramp, it just didn't seem...

1386
01:32:33,140 --> 01:32:36,520
And then it just crosses into the golf course and still doesn't connect to any place else.

1387
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,680
So it's not going to be for the cross-work was it?

1388
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:39,520
Yes sir.

1389
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,620
In fairness, you have to let him finish the answer.

1390
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:46,240
As he left me first.

1391
01:32:46,540 --> 01:32:47,380
As does he let me finish?

1392
01:32:48,100 --> 01:32:50,180
And I'm not done yet, so please let me finish.

1393
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:50,880
Please do.

1394
01:32:50,980 --> 01:32:51,920
Thank you sir.

1395
01:32:52,580 --> 01:32:57,080
He has to finish the answer for it to work properly under the law.

1396
01:32:57,440 --> 01:33:02,320
He has to allow you to finish the question for it to work properly under the law.

1397
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,240
So I'm asking you both to do that.

1398
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:05,940
Okay.

1399
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:07,760
Thank you.

1400
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:08,980
I appreciate that.

1401
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:09,640
Thank you.

1402
01:33:10,060 --> 01:33:10,800
Please proceed.

1403
01:33:12,180 --> 01:33:15,300
So it's that of putting that bit of a lot crossing that just gets you to the golf course.

1404
01:33:15,460 --> 01:33:18,180
We want to make sure we connect to the existing sidewalk network.

1405
01:33:18,780 --> 01:33:20,300
And we want to do that the best way possible.

1406
01:33:20,940 --> 01:33:26,000
And there's going to be a team approach with your board engineer and with the police and our team to make sure that we do that the right way.

1407
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:33,280
have we looked at the possibility of extending the by my count of about 15 foot of sidewalk

1408
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:38,660
extension from the corner of Iris to on River Road towards the golf course have we looked to

1409
01:33:38,660 --> 01:33:44,020
extending that down the grassy median towards the golf course I've been on the golf course side

1410
01:33:44,020 --> 01:33:48,360
as a sidewalk option but that's an option there's a lot of options we need to figure out the best way

1411
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:49,520
I would recommend it.

1412
01:33:49,620 --> 01:33:50,560
Let's look at it.

1413
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:51,320
I think you're part of it.

1414
01:33:51,340 --> 01:33:51,900
I would recommend it.

1415
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:53,680
Okay.

1416
01:33:58,840 --> 01:33:59,960
I think those are my questions.

1417
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:01,840
Thank you.

1418
01:34:01,900 --> 01:34:02,640
Thank you.

1419
01:34:04,020 --> 01:34:04,520
Welcome.

1420
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,960
You know, ladies, eager, 60, can you break her away?

1421
01:34:10,260 --> 01:34:10,880
I have a question.

1422
01:34:11,060 --> 01:34:15,740
You mentioned ITE several times and how that's something that you utilize to determine traffic

1423
01:34:15,740 --> 01:34:16,860
out of the building.

1424
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:17,840
Such as this?

1425
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:18,640
Thank you.

1426
01:34:19,020 --> 01:34:20,940
Are those ITE's specific?

1427
01:34:20,940 --> 01:34:22,760
or are they national?

1428
01:34:23,260 --> 01:34:24,520
No, unfortunately.

1429
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,000
Unfortunately, their national, which gives us an over-estimation,

1430
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,160
New Jersey, especially residential,

1431
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,760
tends that less traffic generation than you would say,

1432
01:34:31,900 --> 01:34:34,080
and like Oklahoma, because we have a lot more mass transit

1433
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,240
and a lot more density here, but it's a national publication.

1434
01:34:38,020 --> 01:34:40,120
Okay, so it's not specific to the student New Jersey.

1435
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:40,520
Correct.

1436
01:34:40,940 --> 01:34:44,720
And then in the last meeting, there was mentioned for the traffic pattern,

1437
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,600
that only a box truck could fit for moving.

1438
01:34:47,940 --> 01:34:49,860
Does that now change given

1439
01:34:49,860 --> 01:34:54,460
And for move ends and move out, does that change given the new driveway?

1440
01:34:55,540 --> 01:35:02,800
Yeah, the loading zone could fit, you know, a tractor trail or if that's not the type of moving vehicles we see it building like this.

1441
01:35:03,460 --> 01:35:08,160
I mean, my mom moved one bedroom into a building like this and used a full moving truck.

1442
01:35:08,660 --> 01:35:08,980
But, okay.

1443
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,060
Thank you.

1444
01:35:10,260 --> 01:35:10,860
Thank you.

1445
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:12,820
Well done.

1446
01:35:13,140 --> 01:35:13,420
Thank you.

1447
01:35:13,460 --> 01:35:15,360
Lisa Allen, 27 plain street.

1448
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:21,000
A couple of quick questions, does this, it doesn't sound like it does, but does it trigger

1449
01:35:21,340 --> 01:35:21,660
bushing?

1450
01:35:23,930 --> 01:35:28,030
I think that's a good question, but I think it's more of like a board of bad questions.

1451
01:35:28,810 --> 01:35:31,570
The board of bad would be in charge of bushing, I think.

1452
01:35:31,930 --> 01:35:35,510
I don't really think it would be something that's a traffic engineer could answer, but

1453
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:38,450
it is a good question, but I don't, but I think it's more for the board of bad than it

1454
01:35:38,450 --> 01:35:39,790
would be for the traffic engineer.

1455
01:35:41,010 --> 01:35:45,710
Do we know how far away, I think it's like a mile that you have to be within a mile of a

1456
01:35:45,710 --> 01:35:45,970
school?

1457
01:35:45,970 --> 01:35:49,950
Okay, that's okay, we can

1458
01:35:49,950 --> 01:35:55,790
Okay, all right, so okay, so does it trigger bushing those person to confirm?

1459
01:35:56,470 --> 01:36:01,250
Oh, I was confused and Ms. Bowen brought something up in terms of going in and out of traffic.

1460
01:36:01,570 --> 01:36:08,170
So are there entrances in and out on both sides or only on one side of the building?

1461
01:36:09,070 --> 01:36:14,770
Just the one side, the where the driveway to the office building is is where the main driveway, this is the same spot

1462
01:36:14,770 --> 01:36:20,410
And it's on the side that would be going out of town on to Route 24. Is that correct?

1463
01:36:20,490 --> 01:36:22,170
That's what it looks like to me.

1464
01:36:22,450 --> 01:36:26,010
If it's on it, well, I'll put the aerial back up in the United States.

1465
01:36:26,610 --> 01:36:29,870
This is the same driveway that's what you look at today, and that's the one that's building.

1466
01:36:30,510 --> 01:36:31,530
It's in the same spot.

1467
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:36,990
So it's heading towards, they would exit onto the one way towards Route 24.

1468
01:36:38,190 --> 01:36:42,150
If you've made a left-out, you could go out onto Route 24 East.

1469
01:36:42,150 --> 01:36:47,150
If you made it right out, then you get to the signal at JFK Parkway, you could go north or south.

1470
01:36:47,570 --> 01:36:53,170
Okay, so you have to go in order to come out of the building, you're going onto a one-way towards Route 24,

1471
01:36:53,690 --> 01:36:57,070
which means that how do people come back around?

1472
01:36:57,370 --> 01:36:59,330
It's two-way. We're rushing away.

1473
01:37:00,110 --> 01:37:02,910
Coming out of there, it's two-way. Can you go? Can you?

1474
01:37:03,630 --> 01:37:05,310
That's right for the air. I love it if you're going to be working here.

1475
01:37:05,310 --> 01:37:05,890
Yeah, we're going to be working here.

1476
01:37:05,970 --> 01:37:08,010
We're going to zoom in to see, could see a little bit better.

1477
01:37:08,010 --> 01:37:12,150
No, you see this red cars has had in this direction and you could.

1478
01:37:12,150 --> 01:37:12,830
I'm going to put it.

1479
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:13,390
Excuse me.

1480
01:37:13,570 --> 01:37:15,190
Can you just orient everyone?

1481
01:37:15,670 --> 01:37:17,690
So, plan south is the beauty.

1482
01:37:17,770 --> 01:37:19,590
Plants out there. This is the meanest plan.

1483
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:20,310
Plants are working.

1484
01:37:20,970 --> 01:37:21,110
Plants out there.

1485
01:37:21,170 --> 01:37:21,210
Plants are working.

1486
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:23,510
Plants out there.

1487
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:23,830
Plants are working.

1488
01:37:24,330 --> 01:37:24,870
Plants are working.

1489
01:37:26,110 --> 01:37:27,530
Plants out there.

1490
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:38,120
This is an aerial, so this is the old office building, what was there. 24 is off to the right side of the page.

1491
01:37:38,460 --> 01:37:43,120
And then that little connector road between JFK Parkway and River Road is to the left side of the page.

1492
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,220
I do this part of River Road's two way.

1493
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:53,980
Okay, so I do agree with Ms. Bowen. It's going to be really dangerous because I don't do it, but you can definitely see people going 555 miles an hour.

1494
01:37:53,980 --> 01:38:00,880
As they head out of town on River Road, academically, it sounds really great that there's two ways there,

1495
01:38:01,940 --> 01:38:07,240
but the problem is that you do have people going out towards a highway and they go really fast.

1496
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,720
So, and you do have the media across the street.

1497
01:38:10,180 --> 01:38:12,140
It would be very valuable.

1498
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:18,460
I would even think of a footbridge because for kids coming out of there, people are coming in and off a highway.

1499
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:22,540
It's very unconventional for families, just to be, you know.

1500
01:38:22,540 --> 01:38:27,160
So, I would think you really have to consider how that crosswalk works.

1501
01:38:27,780 --> 01:38:30,880
I personally do not think the diagonal would work.

1502
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:31,600
You just know I opinion.

1503
01:38:31,820 --> 01:38:31,940
Oh, sorry.

1504
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:32,740
That was my question.

1505
01:38:33,020 --> 01:38:40,280
Well, you might have missed it, but our board engineer and the applicant are going to work

1506
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,840
together to figure out a very safe way for pedestrians to get in and out of that building

1507
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:45,800
into a sidewalk.

1508
01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:46,700
Okay.

1509
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:46,940
Okay.

1510
01:38:46,940 --> 01:38:52,760
But your question is for them to consider that as part of that process.

1511
01:38:53,020 --> 01:38:56,660
Yeah, they're going to come back and testify to what they've come up with and we're going

1512
01:38:56,660 --> 01:38:57,580
to get to review it.

1513
01:38:58,020 --> 01:38:58,280
Yeah.

1514
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:02,700
I would just love if it's either on both sides and entrance and exit on both sides so that

1515
01:39:02,700 --> 01:39:07,940
you're not just blocking up the one side for people trying to get on to the highway or a

1516
01:39:07,940 --> 01:39:08,360
footbridge.

1517
01:39:09,260 --> 01:39:12,100
No, I'm just at the board made it clear that that's something they want us to really

1518
01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:13,300
analyze and make sure we can write.

1519
01:39:13,300 --> 01:39:21,980
Okay, and I've lived here for 18 years, but in 15 years I've seen two lights go up on River Road because the traffic has gotten so bad

1520
01:39:21,980 --> 01:39:30,300
And we have another aside from Chad and we had talked about it, but there are 47 units going up in on River Road and Morris in Summit

1521
01:39:30,300 --> 01:39:37,460
There was an article and just to lead up to my question. There was an article on NJ21.com

1522
01:39:37,460 --> 01:39:41,660
that mentioned that the engineer had asked for evidence at the channel, I guess there's water,

1523
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:46,840
has enough capacity for storm water flows, and that the new building won't harm

1524
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,460
the existing flood conveyance system.

1525
01:39:50,540 --> 01:39:57,520
The largest project doesn't trigger the New Jersey major development, I'm quoting this verbatim for the article.

1526
01:39:58,020 --> 01:40:04,760
The project, this project you're talking about, doesn't trigger the New Jersey's major development storm water management requirements

1527
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:10,720
because the disturb area is less than an acre, and the increase in new impervious coverage

1528
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:16,040
is less than a quarter acre. I'm very concerned about stormwater management in town. We've

1529
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:21,480
had so much flooding, so I'm just wondering how you guys would address stormwater management

1530
01:40:22,220 --> 01:40:26,080
with such a large zone. It's a good question. We dealt with this at the last meeting.

1531
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:31,600
I don't know if Steve will let me summarize what we said. The shadow preside over the hearings

1532
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:37,860
the chair does. But this isn't the right witness for that because he just did traffic, but we did

1533
01:40:37,860 --> 01:40:42,600
speak to that at the last meeting. There's a whole stormwater plan and report that was submitted.

1534
01:40:43,180 --> 01:40:49,320
Again, I think another member of the public asked if reports were available and the city's

1535
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:54,630
engineer did review our stormwater report. So that's in there as well. Any comments we agreed to

1536
01:40:54,630 --> 01:41:02,850
I don't know if you want to summarize, but basically, we were decreasing runoff and we were

1537
01:41:02,850 --> 01:41:04,310
abiding by all of the flood rules.

1538
01:41:04,670 --> 01:41:09,170
We have been to state of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection Permit for the

1539
01:41:09,170 --> 01:41:12,730
property, so we're complying with all the rules as it relates to flooding and stormwater

1540
01:41:12,730 --> 01:41:13,110
management.

1541
01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:14,530
Okay, all right.

1542
01:41:14,770 --> 01:41:15,290
Those are my questions.

1543
01:41:15,630 --> 01:41:16,070
Thank you.

1544
01:41:16,190 --> 01:41:17,950
Thank you.

1545
01:41:17,970 --> 01:41:18,330
Hello.

1546
01:41:19,010 --> 01:41:19,190
Hi.

1547
01:41:19,870 --> 01:41:20,410
Good evening.

1548
01:41:20,410 --> 01:41:25,510
Jacqueline Rung, 13 Greenfield app. Unfortunately, my better half is the

1549
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:29,750
structural engineer, but he left her dad duties, so you guys get me. I do have

1550
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:34,490
some general questions about the studies, so the study has a comparison that

1551
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:37,890
was done against the trip generation potential of a fully occupied office

1552
01:41:37,890 --> 01:41:42,650
building, but as many have pointed out the reality as it's actually currently vacant.

1553
01:41:43,370 --> 01:41:49,250
So I just want to clarify the 75 AM and 74 PM peak hour trips are in fact

1554
01:41:49,250 --> 01:41:53,470
additional trips. Is that right? Yes, correct. Okay. Is there a separate trip

1555
01:41:53,470 --> 01:41:57,590
generation component in the analysis for the 175 third party parking

1556
01:41:58,090 --> 01:42:02,490
spaces? And if so, can you share where on your report we can find that? No,

1557
01:42:02,590 --> 01:42:06,070
because we don't know who's going to use those, but in any event it's long-term

1558
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:09,230
vehicle storage, so it's not going to be something that's active on a daily basis,

1559
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:12,290
and if somebody doesn't need to access those vehicles, they're certainly not

1560
01:42:12,290 --> 01:42:15,910
going to do it during the rush hour time period. It's not a little middle of the app.

1561
01:42:15,930 --> 01:42:18,370
Okay, got it. I think that's a pretty significant

1562
01:42:18,370 --> 01:42:22,770
an operating assumption, and I'm not sure if this may have been asked before, but is that

1563
01:42:22,770 --> 01:42:26,890
proposes the condition, restricting the third party parking use going forward?

1564
01:42:27,290 --> 01:42:28,310
We discuss that.

1565
01:42:29,050 --> 01:42:29,070
Okay.

1566
01:42:29,170 --> 01:42:30,890
But you couldn't, yes, the witness.

1567
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:31,750
Okay.

1568
01:42:32,110 --> 01:42:35,870
Is that proposes the condition, restricting the third party parking?

1569
01:42:36,230 --> 01:42:40,250
It's in the, there's a, there was a settlement agreement on up, you heard me say that earlier.

1570
01:42:40,450 --> 01:42:40,930
In January.

1571
01:42:41,890 --> 01:42:47,510
Yeah, up with the, in that, for the housing plan, and that type of use was, was

1572
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:52,150
it in that, it was going to be on a bulk basis, but then I indicated to the board that if the board

1573
01:42:52,150 --> 01:42:57,050
wanted to refine that a little further, to get some more clarity on it, based on, you know,

1574
01:42:57,350 --> 01:43:02,550
you made in the comment, the board made that we were fine with that. There's no issue with that.

1575
01:43:03,530 --> 01:43:07,090
There's no intent to make it something that would be at all high turnover. Sure.

1576
01:43:07,090 --> 01:43:13,370
What's a lever? Got it. Okay. So you mentioned the model level service remains be, but the level

1577
01:43:13,370 --> 01:43:18,910
service the way I understand as an average measure. Does your model also show the change in

1578
01:43:18,910 --> 01:43:23,450
95th percentile queue length and whether that queue can spill back into upstream intersections

1579
01:43:23,450 --> 01:43:30,050
and other access points? So the main concern southbound river road has traffic merging from

1580
01:43:30,050 --> 01:43:36,250
JFK, the ramp from 24 and the ramp from Chad and 124. So now you're adding residents making

1581
01:43:36,250 --> 01:43:41,170
the left from the connector onto river road. Obviously that can have clear congestion implications.

1582
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:44,710
So, what is the 95th percentile Q-line?

1583
01:43:44,890 --> 01:43:50,810
You're talking about coming off of JFK and making the left one to river from the one that connect the road.

1584
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:57,290
I'm seeing the Q-line on River Road in general, because it's taking three as it is right now.

1585
01:43:57,450 --> 01:44:03,490
It's taking traffic from three different areas, JFK, the ramp from 24 and Chattam 1 24.

1586
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:08,610
And now you're going to add residents from your project, making a left onto River Road.

1587
01:44:08,610 --> 01:44:11,310
And so what is that actually doing to the cute length?

1588
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:14,610
And what is the 95th quartetile length in that case?

1589
01:44:14,850 --> 01:44:16,830
There wouldn't be a cute length along River Road.

1590
01:44:17,010 --> 01:44:19,010
There's just no, it's a through traffic.

1591
01:44:19,810 --> 01:44:23,670
There would be where you have a stop sign or a red traffic signals

1592
01:44:23,670 --> 01:44:24,830
where you would build a queue in that.

1593
01:44:24,830 --> 01:44:26,150
But there is.

1594
01:44:26,210 --> 01:44:28,270
Yeah, but there's one right there.

1595
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:29,890
There's a light.

1596
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:32,090
Yeah, there's no stopping on River Road in front of the building.

1597
01:44:32,410 --> 01:44:33,630
You have to stop to exit the drive.

1598
01:44:33,630 --> 01:44:34,010
What?

1599
01:44:34,490 --> 01:44:35,250
No, no.

1600
01:44:35,710 --> 01:44:36,330
There's a light.

1601
01:44:37,170 --> 01:44:37,570
Yeah.

1602
01:44:37,570 --> 01:44:40,350
There's a light right in the corner there.

1603
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:40,570
Yeah, right?

1604
01:44:40,930 --> 01:44:41,530
That's what I said.

1605
01:44:41,730 --> 01:44:42,870
Then you said no, a longer road.

1606
01:44:43,330 --> 01:44:44,730
Well, it's the connector.

1607
01:44:45,110 --> 01:44:45,570
It's the connector.

1608
01:44:45,810 --> 01:44:46,130
I can.

1609
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:47,430
It's in the analysis.

1610
01:44:47,870 --> 01:44:49,170
I'd have to go through and dig it up.

1611
01:44:49,190 --> 01:44:49,510
Okay.

1612
01:44:49,730 --> 01:44:49,830
Yeah.

1613
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:51,570
If you could provide that, that would be great.

1614
01:44:53,070 --> 01:44:54,230
Question in the method of study.

1615
01:44:54,670 --> 01:44:58,750
We're actual queue links observed and recorded in your FED-19 field counts.

1616
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:59,970
And did you compare that?

1617
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,340
That against the real world, queues that say, with the queues produced by our sinkroom model.

1618
01:45:05,660 --> 01:45:08,340
Okay, is there any reason why you wouldn't have done that?

1619
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:15,560
We know if there's a born, queuing condition where only half of the cars are getting through

1620
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:19,960
on a green, then that's noted, and then we look into that, but that wasn't the case of this signal.

1621
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:27,120
Okay, I guess if you're already there taking counts, why wouldn't, why wouldn't you just observe the queues

1622
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:28,880
and check them against the output from your model?

1623
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:37,220
We do observe the cues, but if there's not an extended cue in condition, if the light's clearing, it doesn't have any impact.

1624
01:45:38,860 --> 01:45:39,880
I mean, a move on.

1625
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:40,740
Side Street access.

1626
01:45:41,140 --> 01:45:45,160
So in determining your study area, and I think this goes to the Iris Road question.

1627
01:45:45,340 --> 01:45:56,460
Also, did you evaluate whether the additional project traffic on River Road can materially affect residents entering River Road from these streets that don't have signal?

1628
01:45:56,460 --> 01:46:03,740
So, gap acceptance or side street delay analysis for iris, woodland, fay, brainard butler,

1629
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:08,180
greenfield, Lewis, is there any analysis on gap acceptance or side street delay?

1630
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:08,880
No.

1631
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,160
Any, any reason behind that?

1632
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:17,160
We're generating so few cars past those intersections of wood, wood, wood, wood, wood,

1633
01:46:17,260 --> 01:46:17,540
wood, wood, wood.

1634
01:46:17,540 --> 01:46:17,840
Sorry.

1635
01:46:19,340 --> 01:46:24,040
Okay, that's clearly not the lived experience of the neighbors here, but I guess that goes

1636
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:27,880
my last question, you mentioned that you've driven River Road during rush hour.

1637
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:32,360
Obviously, many of our neighbors here can speak to the existing frequent Q-spill-back-long

1638
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:37,380
River Road associated with, I think, the Chattam Road signal. Does your model include

1639
01:46:37,380 --> 01:46:40,820
that intersection and capture the resulting spill-back-long River Road?

1640
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:46,880
No, we analyze the nearest intersection where we're going to have the maximum impacts and

1641
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:51,660
find that we have no impacts of that intersection. All those other intersections farther

1642
01:46:51,660 --> 01:46:57,220
up and down. We'll have less of an impact. Again, I'm looking at the impact of this project,

1643
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:03,960
not doing a corridor analysis for the city. Yeah, okay. So if you were looking at the traffic

1644
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:10,480
in back to River Road, you have to look at one intersection removed from where your project is going up.

1645
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:16,760
Because all the backup that happens is at Chattam Road and River Road intersection. When that light

1646
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:21,180
is red, you cannot make a left turn on to River Road. You probably can't make a right turn on to

1647
01:47:21,180 --> 01:47:28,420
So, I'd like to hear some reason for why you are isolating your particular study to just this one intersection.

1648
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:30,580
This one light right in front of your project.

1649
01:47:30,740 --> 01:47:34,060
When clearly, there are much broader implications.

1650
01:47:35,740 --> 01:47:37,060
So, that's all commentary.

1651
01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:38,020
It's not questions.

1652
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:39,380
I think that's why.

1653
01:47:39,480 --> 01:47:40,340
Why is it not being included?

1654
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:41,620
And what's the question?

1655
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:43,100
Isn't that correct?

1656
01:47:44,060 --> 01:47:44,340
Sorry.

1657
01:47:44,780 --> 01:47:45,700
What was the question?

1658
01:47:46,140 --> 01:47:46,620
Isn't that really?

1659
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:47,240
I need to ask a question.

1660
01:47:47,660 --> 01:47:48,060
Oh, yes.

1661
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:49,260
Isn't that correct?

1662
01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:53,460
You would turn it to get away with all kinds of stuff.

1663
01:47:55,480 --> 01:48:02,620
That, I know the intersection you're talking about, because we looked at that when it was first happening when we were doing the tri-kind of project.

1664
01:48:02,980 --> 01:48:04,000
There's right near there.

1665
01:48:04,620 --> 01:48:06,200
I understand you're concerned with that intersection.

1666
01:48:07,220 --> 01:48:12,760
But what I'm trying to do with this traffic study is not fix that corridor and not figure out why the traffic problems are bad.

1667
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,780
It's fine. How much this project is going to have an impact on it?

1668
01:48:15,780 --> 01:48:22,780
So, if the intersection right next to it, where most of the traffic goes through doesn't have a negative impact,

1669
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:28,020
where there's a smaller percentage down at that intersection, it's going to be even less of a change.

1670
01:48:28,740 --> 01:48:36,400
Is that intersection going to work any differently with this project? No, it's not being impacted.

1671
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:39,100
and you're all really, I think this is true.

1672
01:48:39,180 --> 01:48:42,080
I mean, it seems like this is just turning a blind eye

1673
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,720
to, you know, compounding existing question.

1674
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:46,860
At a certain point, we do have to limit it to questions.

1675
01:48:46,980 --> 01:48:48,780
And the public comment period will come.

1676
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,820
You'll be able to make, and can make all these points.

1677
01:48:50,860 --> 01:48:51,740
OK, thanks.

1678
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:52,160
All right.

1679
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:53,760
That's all my questions, Anne.

1680
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:54,560
Thank you.

1681
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:57,600
Welcome.

1682
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,040
Good evening, Don Nelson, 20 playing street.

1683
01:49:00,460 --> 01:49:02,480
I'm not going to be as eloquent as this young lady.

1684
01:49:02,500 --> 01:49:04,140
I shoot from the hip, so beware.

1685
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:12,240
So can you tell me the dates or dates you did the traffic study that we did the our

1686
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:17,660
traffic counts February 19th 20th and that's when we talked about the school being out for vacation

1687
01:49:17,660 --> 01:49:22,860
possibly we're not 100% positive. So and then you also mentioned that there was a counter

1688
01:49:22,860 --> 01:49:31,440
out on Mars Avenue that wasn't counting no measure that the DOT has counts the NJ DOT has

1689
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:35,020
account stations out in various locations throughout the state.

1690
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:38,020
But did you mention that one of them was not counting on River Road?

1691
01:49:38,180 --> 01:49:40,540
The one River Road, the data that was available,

1692
01:49:40,540 --> 01:49:42,720
wasn't as extensive as the one on JFK.

1693
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:44,980
I don't have it in front of me, the exact dates, but.

1694
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:49,020
So can you tell me the exact number of cars that travel River Road on the day?

1695
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:50,080
And a day?

1696
01:49:51,220 --> 01:49:52,360
The DOT data could.

1697
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:55,980
Well, my mind is just based on the FPG hours.

1698
01:49:55,980 --> 01:50:03,840
So one of the numbers River Road in a peak hour, it's about 500 to 600 vehicles per hour, travel on River Road.

1699
01:50:04,380 --> 01:50:05,980
So what's considered a peak hour?

1700
01:50:06,440 --> 01:50:12,120
The busiest single hour between 7 and 9 on a weekday morning and between 4 and 630 on a weekday.

1701
01:50:12,500 --> 01:50:14,980
Would it surprise you to say that in 2001?

1702
01:50:15,980 --> 01:50:18,840
The traffic count on River Road was 20,000 cars a day.

1703
01:50:20,660 --> 01:50:21,040
I know that.

1704
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:22,100
What part of River Road?

1705
01:50:22,220 --> 01:50:23,060
The whole road.

1706
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:23,920
The whole road.

1707
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:26,780
Well along with in Summit 20,000 cars a day.

1708
01:50:26,780 --> 01:50:34,910
But the whole reason why I asked that was because if you do a traffic study, you say it goes up by two and a half percent a year, based on what number.

1709
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:38,340
Then you can answer my question.

1710
01:50:38,900 --> 01:50:42,480
River Road, the little piece of River Road that we are fronting on,

1711
01:50:43,420 --> 01:50:46,180
is not, is never carry 20,000 vehicles today.

1712
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,860
Father down when he get past where it merges in which he is.

1713
01:50:48,860 --> 01:50:49,500
I agree with you.

1714
01:50:49,940 --> 01:50:50,640
Yeah, I wouldn't surprise.

1715
01:50:50,900 --> 01:50:53,600
But I'm going to keep him when he cars past him from the project.

1716
01:50:54,220 --> 01:50:55,620
This little part of River Road.

1717
01:50:55,620 --> 01:50:59,100
of peak hours, it's about 500 to 600 vehicles per hour.

1718
01:50:59,500 --> 01:51:01,540
In the peak hour on JFK Parkway,

1719
01:51:01,780 --> 01:51:04,500
then farther down by extension, the rest of River Road,

1720
01:51:05,100 --> 01:51:07,180
it's about 2,500 cars an hour.

1721
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:10,560
We're adding, and this goes back to the previous question,

1722
01:51:10,740 --> 01:51:12,800
in that direction about 20.

1723
01:51:13,620 --> 01:51:16,480
So it's not the existing traffic volume

1724
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:18,600
is far greater than the additional traffic

1725
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:19,660
that's going to come out in this project.

1726
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:21,860
So that peak hour is roughly 500 cars.

1727
01:51:22,300 --> 01:51:24,740
So what is it for the whole day?

1728
01:51:24,740 --> 01:51:26,360
I don't know.

1729
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:27,000
I don't know.

1730
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:27,320
I don't know.

1731
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:32,240
So what is that two and a half percent based on, increase based on the 500 or the whole

1732
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:32,540
day?

1733
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:39,280
All those count stations that NJDOT has throughout the state, they look at that data based

1734
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:44,020
on the county it's in and then the classification of the roadway and come up with that number.

1735
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:50,840
So that 2.25 percent is a blanket number that I have to use because they published it.

1736
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:56,600
What I looked at was their actual specific data right here and the numbers are staying the same and actually slightly decreasing.

1737
01:51:57,500 --> 01:52:00,040
So when was those, when were those numbers last updated?

1738
01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:03,060
June 2026 was the latest data company.

1739
01:52:03,180 --> 01:52:06,800
And how about the, the ITE manuals that you use?

1740
01:52:06,980 --> 01:52:08,700
What's the latest edition you use?

1741
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:11,120
That's the, the 12th edition is the latest edition.

1742
01:52:11,220 --> 01:52:13,160
They update that every one to two years.

1743
01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:14,760
So that's from when 2024?

1744
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:17,560
No, 2025, I believe that.

1745
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:18,460
Okay, thank you.

1746
01:52:18,460 --> 01:52:26,560
You mentioned about long-term storage of vehicles and the word dealership pumped up.

1747
01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:29,880
And what that brings to mind to me is there's a very large car dealership.

1748
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:36,640
I'm River Road. That parks cars across the street from your current project. Is there any agreement with

1749
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:42,600
that car dealership, the store cars on your lap? No. So what are we talking about? What kind of long

1750
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:48,080
like who would store cars there? That's what we were saying before. I don't know if you were here for the

1751
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:59,980
thought. Yeah. There's no perspective, tentative to at least those spaces now, but it's defined how it

1752
01:52:59,980 --> 01:53:04,220
there are a lot of cars coming in and out, but again, as I said before, if the board

1753
01:53:04,220 --> 01:53:09,420
wants to clarify that a little bit further, there is a solution that's fine, but there's

1754
01:53:09,420 --> 01:53:14,280
to answer your question before, there is no end user that has been identified.

1755
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:15,340
Okay, very good.

1756
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:16,160
Thank you.

1757
01:53:16,580 --> 01:53:20,620
I think I have one more question, but because I shoot from the hip, I don't remember what it was.

1758
01:53:21,780 --> 01:53:22,520
Thank you very much.

1759
01:53:22,660 --> 01:53:25,280
Well, actually, let's explore one thing.

1760
01:53:25,900 --> 01:53:33,440
The new entrance on the D.P. is required to put in for flood, the emergency one.

1761
01:53:34,580 --> 01:53:41,520
Is that going to be built into the ramp going up to the second floor parking area?

1762
01:53:42,140 --> 01:53:46,740
No, it just connects that existing kind of connector road to River Road.

1763
01:53:47,500 --> 01:53:49,380
So it's almost replicates that existing driveway.

1764
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:50,460
I'll put this site plan.

1765
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:54,060
She has an elevation for that side.

1766
01:53:54,740 --> 01:53:59,350
There's another ramp going up to the second floor parking.

1767
01:54:00,690 --> 01:54:01,910
This is, yes.

1768
01:54:02,150 --> 01:54:05,370
So, that's just going to be for water to flow through or cars to get out or how is

1769
01:54:05,370 --> 01:54:06,010
that going to work?

1770
01:54:06,370 --> 01:54:07,190
No, it's for cars.

1771
01:54:07,310 --> 01:54:12,510
If there was a situation where there was a flooding emergency and this driveway was underwater,

1772
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:15,650
you still want people to be able to get in and out of their departments.

1773
01:54:15,930 --> 01:54:16,690
So, that's something to confuse.

1774
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:18,650
That's a ramp going up.

1775
01:54:18,930 --> 01:54:20,390
You have to build through the ramp, correct?

1776
01:54:21,230 --> 01:54:23,990
I mean, maybe this was a question for the architect, I don't know.

1777
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:26,110
I mean, it's just an asphalt driveway.

1778
01:54:26,270 --> 01:54:27,690
I mean, yeah, I'll have a grade to it,

1779
01:54:27,730 --> 01:54:30,070
but it's not a bridge or a ramp or anything like that.

1780
01:54:30,490 --> 01:54:32,930
Okay, I'd have to see what the architect has been going on in.

1781
01:54:33,050 --> 01:54:34,910
When we talk about the fire truck access,

1782
01:54:35,590 --> 01:54:36,350
we can talk about it.

1783
01:54:36,410 --> 01:54:37,930
You're like, keep shooting from here.

1784
01:54:39,230 --> 01:54:42,670
Is the wake capacity enough for all that apparatus?

1785
01:54:43,510 --> 01:54:45,070
You're only showing one piece of apparatus.

1786
01:54:45,210 --> 01:54:47,070
Usually when a fire truck goes to the front of the building,

1787
01:54:47,250 --> 01:54:49,290
it's being used to take some more than one piece of apparatus

1788
01:54:49,290 --> 01:54:50,370
to feed it.

1789
01:54:50,610 --> 01:54:52,190
Yeah, I mean, I'm not a structural engineer,

1790
01:54:52,190 --> 01:54:54,190
but I would like to ask you.

1791
01:54:55,190 --> 01:54:55,890
Thank you.

1792
01:54:56,470 --> 01:54:56,950
Thank you.

1793
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:59,470
Welcome.

1794
01:55:00,310 --> 01:55:00,790
Good evening.

1795
01:55:00,950 --> 01:55:03,530
Penny Barrett's 79-10-0 drive.

1796
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:07,110
I've lived through the town probably over 50 years.

1797
01:55:07,870 --> 01:55:13,490
This home project has a mother who drove her three children in carpools back and forth.

1798
01:55:13,670 --> 01:55:14,910
I have a couple of questions.

1799
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:20,050
On the study you did four to six, 30.

1800
01:55:20,050 --> 01:55:30,430
Okay, most of the people here who are taking their their children to school are picking them up anywhere from 230 on back and forth back and forth.

1801
01:55:31,170 --> 01:55:34,710
So that's one thing. So I think in your study, maybe you should check the times.

1802
01:55:35,290 --> 01:55:45,910
So you have a question like why did you have a question like why was why was that why was that not checked as far as the time and the date when it was checked was probably a holiday.

1803
01:55:45,910 --> 01:55:48,110
The other problem with...

1804
01:55:48,110 --> 01:55:48,750
That man said...

1805
01:55:48,750 --> 01:55:49,770
Yeah, you want to answer.

1806
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:50,790
Yeah, question.

1807
01:55:51,250 --> 01:55:51,910
A couple of reasons.

1808
01:55:52,710 --> 01:55:57,490
We didn't worry about the school hour because there's no school on river road or immediately adjacent.

1809
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:59,090
That's when you typically get worried about...

1810
01:55:59,610 --> 01:56:00,510
Are you kidding me?

1811
01:56:01,550 --> 01:56:05,610
So, the commuter rush hours, almost everywhere.

1812
01:56:05,710 --> 01:56:07,770
Even sometimes, right in front of a school,

1813
01:56:08,150 --> 01:56:09,590
are usually higher than that school time.

1814
01:56:09,650 --> 01:56:13,390
The second reason is this type of building is not going to have that many school age children.

1815
01:56:13,530 --> 01:56:14,530
That testimony will come later,

1816
01:56:14,530 --> 01:56:19,310
But this isn't gonna be a bunch of kids living here.

1817
01:56:19,970 --> 01:56:21,530
It's not a, it's not a,

1818
01:56:22,050 --> 01:56:24,890
Can I also, can I also just try to clarify your question also?

1819
01:56:24,990 --> 01:56:26,710
Just give me one second with correct to do that.

1820
01:56:27,450 --> 01:56:27,730
So correct.

1821
01:56:28,110 --> 01:56:31,390
When you study the roadway peak hours,

1822
01:56:31,770 --> 01:56:34,130
you're studying the busiest hours of the road.

1823
01:56:35,110 --> 01:56:35,310
Okay.

1824
01:56:35,570 --> 01:56:37,950
So when you study 7 to 9 and 4 to 6,

1825
01:56:38,210 --> 01:56:41,070
that's because there's the most volume on those roads, right?

1826
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:41,290
Absolutely.

1827
01:56:41,290 --> 01:56:44,290
And then you identify within those two or three hour gaps,

1828
01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:46,650
the busiest one hour, correct?

1829
01:56:47,310 --> 01:56:49,630
OK, so after you do that, that's

1830
01:56:49,630 --> 01:56:51,470
when you get the level of service analysis

1831
01:56:51,470 --> 01:56:54,330
that you published in your report, correct?

1832
01:56:55,150 --> 01:56:58,370
So anything other than that peak hour

1833
01:56:58,370 --> 01:57:02,250
would be the level of service would be even better.

1834
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:03,110
Is that correct?

1835
01:57:04,290 --> 01:57:05,610
Yes, that's the idea.

1836
01:57:05,790 --> 01:57:08,470
We're looking at the worst case scenario of a busiest.

1837
01:57:08,910 --> 01:57:10,990
So it's a good question.

1838
01:57:10,990 --> 01:57:14,810
and I just want to make sure that you understand why we studied the hours that we studied

1839
01:57:14,810 --> 01:57:18,510
because if I were in your shoes, I'd be asking the same thing.

1840
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:25,730
So the point is that that time that school is let out is not as busy as the other hours

1841
01:57:25,730 --> 01:57:32,170
that you studied, correct? Correct. So the level of service would actually be better than the level

1842
01:57:32,170 --> 01:57:39,970
of service be or around the same in those hours. Is that right? That end the building itself is going

1843
01:57:39,970 --> 01:57:44,190
generating far fewer traffic because of the apartments, the people who live in these buildings,

1844
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:48,050
they're generating their traffic commuting to and from work by and by.

1845
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:53,150
So, and they have no children. These people who are going to be on the day in a hundred and

1846
01:57:53,670 --> 01:57:59,050
ninety eight units have no children going to school. Nobody's, nobody's saying that.

1847
01:57:59,370 --> 01:58:04,070
What, what I wanted you to understand from the questions, and I'm not, I would have asked the same

1848
01:58:04,070 --> 01:58:09,210
thing if I were you. So, I'm not, that's why I want to answer correctly. Is that the point of

1849
01:58:09,210 --> 01:58:14,190
doing the studies and the hours that he did is because he did them and what he just testified

1850
01:58:14,190 --> 01:58:21,250
to in the busiest time. So anything else outside of that busiest time will be less busy.

1851
01:58:21,670 --> 01:58:26,390
So if it works in the busiest time, which is what he's concluded and everyone obviously

1852
01:58:26,390 --> 01:58:31,490
other professionals are checking that to make sure. But he's concluded that in the busiest

1853
01:58:31,490 --> 01:58:38,170
time it's been, it's good works. When it's less busy it will work even better. That's why.

1854
01:58:38,170 --> 01:58:52,470
But the board did ask for us to still be extra cautious and study those hours as well just to be on the safe side, but I wanted you to understand he didn't just ignore the school hours.

1855
01:58:52,990 --> 01:58:59,190
He studied it in the most conservative way possible, but we will double check it as the board had to question.

1856
01:58:59,190 --> 01:59:04,650
Well, I think the Wug and I just think for people driving their children to these different schools,

1857
01:59:05,210 --> 01:59:10,590
they're going to have to come out of the building, get in that queue, and try to get out,

1858
01:59:10,750 --> 01:59:13,730
and it relates changing how long is it going to take,

1859
01:59:13,970 --> 01:59:17,630
or do you have to plan as a mother, getting your child to school,

1860
01:59:18,110 --> 01:59:23,510
and extra half an hour to get to Washington, Lincoln, the middle school, or high school,

1861
01:59:23,750 --> 01:59:27,270
because of the traffic, and getting out of your building.

1862
01:59:27,270 --> 01:59:37,270
And again, I just want to the room and again, and I'm sorry if I'm not articulating this as well as I could be for you to understand or maybe I'm not doing a good job.

1863
01:59:37,790 --> 01:59:44,290
But the point is if it works in the busiest time, the point that you're trying to make won't be a concern.

1864
01:59:44,890 --> 01:59:46,810
But the board asks us to double check it.

1865
01:59:47,370 --> 01:59:47,950
Please do.

1866
01:59:48,370 --> 01:59:53,970
And then the thing is, when are you meeting with the engineer and what engineer city engineer are you meeting with?

1867
01:59:53,970 --> 01:59:59,590
So the chairwoman I believe has directed us to meet with Marie, who's consulting engineer Marie, who's right here tonight.

1868
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,960
And thank you so much. She asked us also to try to include the police officials.

1869
02:00:06,020 --> 02:00:12,100
And I would say the fire department, because basically as of July, we have more new people in the fire department.

1870
02:00:12,140 --> 02:00:15,240
They wrote a letter, but I think we've already done this.

1871
02:00:15,620 --> 02:00:16,000
Thank you.

1872
02:00:36,980 --> 02:00:55,240
Can you just expand on that?

1873
02:00:55,240 --> 02:00:57,200
What the roots are for the shuttle?

1874
02:00:57,540 --> 02:00:59,700
Yeah, I believe the vice chair had asked that

1875
02:01:00,580 --> 02:01:04,120
We provide that to the board just what that really is going to be.

1876
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:08,160
The purpose of the shuttle service that this developer

1877
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:11,340
and property owner does for other other buildings

1878
02:01:11,340 --> 02:01:14,580
is to reduce trips on the road

1879
02:01:14,580 --> 02:01:16,840
and also provide a convenience to its residents

1880
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:19,980
so that they can go to mass transit.

1881
02:01:19,980 --> 02:01:21,620
But do we have the...

1882
02:01:21,620 --> 02:01:22,920
I think that's what they asked for.

1883
02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:24,360
That's what the chair and vice chair asked.

1884
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:24,640
I'm sorry.

1885
02:01:24,860 --> 02:01:26,200
So what was the answer to?

1886
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:28,660
No, no, she asked if we would provide it a later date.

1887
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:29,320
I'm sorry.

1888
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:29,860
No, it's okay.

1889
02:01:30,040 --> 02:01:30,240
I'm sorry.

1890
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:33,220
A plan showing the route.

1891
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:33,700
Got it.

1892
02:01:33,900 --> 02:01:38,460
So the reason I was asking that question is because it's two ways to get into town.

1893
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:40,720
One is, I think it's one is.

1894
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:43,200
That's probably why the vice chair just wanted to know what we had.

1895
02:01:43,980 --> 02:01:44,940
It's a good question.

1896
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:46,320
Thank you.

1897
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:47,200
All right.

1898
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,580
So I think I should argue with Helen, it's a great.

1899
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:53,820
Are we closed on traffic?

1900
02:01:53,820 --> 02:01:55,820
So I think we are.

1901
02:01:57,240 --> 02:02:00,940
Oh, I'm sure at one follow up and then we're going to take a break for this tonight.

1902
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:01,780
Go ahead.

1903
02:02:03,380 --> 02:02:04,880
One question on pedestrian access.

1904
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:10,760
So when I was on the site visit, you're basically the cars are going up the ramp.

1905
02:02:12,580 --> 02:02:16,820
How are pedestrians getting down the ramp if they choose to go?

1906
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:21,340
What's the exit point from the building to the road?

1907
02:02:22,900 --> 02:02:26,700
You meet from the building or from the site.

1908
02:02:26,940 --> 02:02:27,300
From the public.

1909
02:02:28,180 --> 02:02:28,940
From the public.

1910
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:31,220
Okay, but I can wait for him then for that question.

1911
02:02:31,460 --> 02:02:33,280
Yeah, but as far as pedestrian access down the ramp.

1912
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:38,620
But it's good you brought it up because our engineer and you all have to figure out

1913
02:02:38,620 --> 02:02:42,180
not only how do they get across the street, but how do they get from the door?

1914
02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:45,920
Because to the street, you know, you know, it's all has to get worked out.

1915
02:02:45,940 --> 02:02:47,700
I've worked in a building like that.

1916
02:02:47,700 --> 02:02:52,760
And it seems like something that everybody would think of,

1917
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:55,380
but if there's no way, people are like like Susan said,

1918
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:57,260
people are gonna do the things that you don't expect them to do,

1919
02:02:57,400 --> 02:02:58,600
they're gonna walk down the ramp.

1920
02:02:58,760 --> 02:03:02,320
So is there, I'm just wondering if there was a port or where there's

1921
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:04,420
for pedestrians to walk or there's a sort of...

1922
02:03:04,420 --> 02:03:07,560
Yeah, I mean, you can see from the corner here,

1923
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:09,560
it takes you right to the crosswalkings of the sidewalk.

1924
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:10,500
And when you look at the side,

1925
02:03:10,500 --> 02:03:11,200
that's what you're talking about.

1926
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:14,040
No, I'm talking about like on the specific ramp,

1927
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:21,200
How will you delineate help pedestrians walk up and down the ramp so they're going to do it whether you want them to or not and not

1928
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,820
Get hit by a car. You mean walk up and down the driveway?

1929
02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:26,840
Yeah

1930
02:03:27,740 --> 02:03:34,060
I mean I think you would if you were going to walk someplace from the building you would leave from the main entrance of the building and walk on to the sidewalk

1931
02:03:34,060 --> 02:03:36,580
But I guess if you stop at your car to get something

1932
02:03:39,710 --> 02:03:44,710
Okay, if there's a way to delete that better will work with your board engineer if you feel as though it's

1933
02:03:44,710 --> 02:03:51,730
We can do better on that. We'll discuss that with the board engineer because there's a sidewalk connection at the driveway to the sidewalk

1934
02:03:51,730 --> 02:03:57,390
But the end and pedestrian access door is a matter of fact, but the intent would you know the idea of the people

1935
02:03:57,390 --> 02:04:00,070
We'll be walking out of the main entrance towards it.

1936
02:04:00,190 --> 02:04:03,670
Yeah, idea is to make it good enough that they're not going to want to use the land.

1937
02:04:03,790 --> 02:04:13,070
You know, they may, but if this is designed better to get people to where they need to go, they shouldn't be walking up and down the ramp.

1938
02:04:13,070 --> 02:04:14,310
But yeah, true.

1939
02:04:14,830 --> 02:04:16,410
They can do a lot of things to do a living.

1940
02:04:16,610 --> 02:04:19,930
But let's try and do a better job with the help

1941
02:04:21,070 --> 02:04:22,270
of the volunteers.

1942
02:04:23,390 --> 02:04:25,050
Oh, and the other question I had is I think a lot

1943
02:04:25,050 --> 02:04:27,330
of what I've heard, at least from a lot of the residences,

1944
02:04:27,530 --> 02:04:29,670
that we do have a lot of in-house knowledge

1945
02:04:29,670 --> 02:04:32,210
from traffic studies that we've done within the department.

1946
02:04:32,670 --> 02:04:34,950
And if we could get what I would like to request

1947
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:37,110
Maurice, if we can work with our city engineer,

1948
02:04:37,750 --> 02:04:39,750
as much as you have all the knowledge and you're going back,

1949
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:48,710
We, these residents have spent, you know, hours and hours and hours talking about access to their streets, I think it would be really valuable if we could include our city engineer in those conversations.

1950
02:04:49,450 --> 02:04:56,410
Because he's the one who's been communicating with all these residents and working with them over the last couple years. I think it might be helpful if we could do that.

1951
02:04:56,830 --> 02:04:59,850
Okay, sounds good. Okay, we're going to take a break. Five minutes.

1952
02:05:06,460 --> 02:05:06,820
Okay.

1953
02:05:14,840 --> 02:05:17,640
You're gonna do, we're gonna start with the army tactic.

1954
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:18,380
We don't finish.

1955
02:05:26,500 --> 02:05:28,900
Maybe they'll be sitting there.

1956
02:05:32,460 --> 02:05:33,940
All right, are we ready to go?

1957
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:35,160
Hello.

1958
02:05:36,780 --> 02:05:38,020
So you are in the landscape market?

1959
02:05:38,220 --> 02:05:39,020
I am. Yes, ma'am.

1960
02:05:39,200 --> 02:05:40,180
Nice to see you.

1961
02:05:40,180 --> 02:05:42,640
Okay, it's not just that you need for the record.

1962
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:44,060
Yeah, my name is Thomas Bauer.

1963
02:05:44,860 --> 02:05:47,260
All right, and you know that you were previously sworn by the board?

1964
02:05:47,420 --> 02:05:47,980
Yes, it was.

1965
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:50,920
Okay, can you just state your and your main under row for this proceed?

1966
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:55,160
Just state your qualifications for the record as a landscape architect, please.

1967
02:05:56,520 --> 02:06:01,420
Thomas Bauer, in principle, and founder of a little Bauer Carmen landscape architecture firm,

1968
02:06:01,420 --> 02:06:04,640
where all of this is in Rio and Jersey City, New Jersey.

1969
02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:09,180
I have a degree in landscape architecture from Penn State University in 1976.

1970
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:15,560
I'm licensed in New Jersey in several other states as well, and I've been before many minutes of

1971
02:06:16,100 --> 02:06:20,060
all towards New Jersey over the last 47 years.

1972
02:06:20,260 --> 02:06:21,420
I'm licensed current in a good stand.

1973
02:06:21,420 --> 02:06:22,260
Yes it is.

1974
02:06:22,280 --> 02:06:23,080
There's a board acceptance.

1975
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:23,500
Mr. Bauer?

1976
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:24,740
Thank you.

1977
02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:29,260
So Tom, you prepared the landscape architectural plans for this application?

1978
02:06:29,620 --> 02:06:29,820
I did.

1979
02:06:30,740 --> 02:06:32,940
So we have some exhibits on the board that we're going to show.

1980
02:06:33,100 --> 02:06:34,500
So why don't we walk through them?

1981
02:06:34,500 --> 02:06:47,820
I think Steve wrote to A5-6, A6, yes, yes, okay, A6 terrific, yes. So what I'm going to do

1982
02:06:47,820 --> 02:06:54,200
I'll begin with A6 which is a street level landscape plan and then I'll proceed with several

1983
02:06:54,700 --> 02:06:59,200
3D graphic perspective views of the site to give you a really good idea of what this is going

1984
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:04,240
to look like and then I'll finish with a second plan which will be the level above the

1985
02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:07,480
second level plan, which will be of the amenities for the residents.

1986
02:07:07,860 --> 02:07:09,260
This is A6 first, right?

1987
02:07:09,540 --> 02:07:10,900
A6 first, we'll stand this one first.

1988
02:07:11,220 --> 02:07:11,720
Yes, okay.

1989
02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:12,720
Yes, sir.

1990
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:14,960
We're having, we have a, we have an assistant.

1991
02:07:15,180 --> 02:07:16,480
Mr. Furrier is going to be using this.

1992
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:17,640
Yes, I'm sending this screen, Rob.

1993
02:07:17,700 --> 02:07:18,640
Just zoom in a little bit more.

1994
02:07:20,620 --> 02:07:21,920
I'm paying him well for this.

1995
02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:23,200
Sir, I'm working for this.

1996
02:07:23,220 --> 02:07:23,960
Okay, we want to.

1997
02:07:24,380 --> 02:07:24,580
Yes.

1998
02:07:24,940 --> 02:07:25,400
All right, go ahead, Tom.

1999
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:25,860
Sure.

2000
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:29,680
So let me just point out a couple of things and just emphasize.

2001
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:34,640
For those who did not know the first presentation at Rodgabe, there are two levels of parking.

2002
02:07:35,260 --> 02:07:38,920
Let me talk about the first level, the lower level, right now, which is access.

2003
02:07:39,140 --> 02:07:45,560
I have a green laser pointer here. This is the low point of river road and this is where you access into the lower level of garage.

2004
02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:51,600
And then the reason I point that out is because on that lower level, cut out, you see this area in green right here.

2005
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:56,600
This is actually a dog run that's going to be located on the lower level of the garage.

2006
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:59,700
very convenient to the residents accessible by

2007
02:07:59,700 --> 02:08:03,680
stare tower in this location and an elevator in this location as well.

2008
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:06,180
So again, it's a lower level of garage undercover.

2009
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:10,660
So it's an implement, whether it's convenient for the homeowners to take

2010
02:08:10,660 --> 02:08:11,460
their dog downstairs.

2011
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:15,660
It's also open air because the garage is open to the outside here,

2012
02:08:15,700 --> 02:08:17,960
so there's plenty of air circulation in that air.

2013
02:08:18,280 --> 02:08:20,780
So I start there in a lower, and I think that's an important component.

2014
02:08:21,420 --> 02:08:24,340
It's, again, I think there's going to be more dogs in this building,

2015
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:25,360
certainly than there are children.

2016
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:30,520
So it's an important component on all of these rental projects that we, the dog runs are very, very critical.

2017
02:08:31,220 --> 02:08:32,140
So that's on the lower level.

2018
02:08:32,760 --> 02:08:35,700
We also have the most of our activity on the next level.

2019
02:08:36,060 --> 02:08:40,360
As we come up here, again, we can access the garage on the second level here,

2020
02:08:40,580 --> 02:08:42,540
and also here into the garage.

2021
02:08:42,700 --> 02:08:45,420
We have two locations, as you've heard previously testified,

2022
02:08:45,700 --> 02:08:47,400
to get to that second level of garage.

2023
02:08:48,360 --> 02:08:50,800
To the right, this area just takes you into the garage.

2024
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:54,940
This area coming up to here takes us to the,

2025
02:08:54,940 --> 02:08:59,380
that area a little bit. That's our grand entrance if you will. That's where our lobby is,

2026
02:08:59,700 --> 02:09:05,140
our leasing office. We have a drop-off in this in this area right here, drop-off, and then, again,

2027
02:09:05,220 --> 02:09:10,460
there's entrance into the garage. That's a very great green light. If you just focus on one thing,

2028
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:15,500
the next chair did ask about pedestrian connectivity. Sure, it's just going to go there to the side.

2029
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:19,800
Well, can you just displace? Certainly. So again, our front door to lobby is right here, and this area in front

2030
02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:26,820
it next to the drop-off area is all pedestrian area. All decoratively paved with decorative

2031
02:09:26,820 --> 02:09:32,120
painting finishes and then from a circulation perspective the sidewalk along river road is

2032
02:09:32,120 --> 02:09:38,180
in here and we have direct access here connecting to that. There is great change here so we have

2033
02:09:38,180 --> 02:09:42,960
a series of steps to take us down to the sidewalk there's also a handicapped accessible ramp

2034
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:48,200
and that location. So we have very convenient access to this lower sidewalk and then eventually

2035
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:53,020
to the crosswalk to the silent and then further down River Road as has been mentioned previously.

2036
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:59,280
So it's very, very convenient. So we have, we can pull back again in the second

2037
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:05,620
rub. The entire perimeter of the site is fully landscape. Again, North is kind of up in this area,

2038
02:10:05,680 --> 02:10:11,040
but what we call this plan north, all existing vegetation is in that area and I long conversation

2039
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:16,600
with your city forest or John Linson about cleaning up this area with some dead material that's

2040
02:10:16,600 --> 02:10:21,540
forested area, and also taking out some invasives. We're happy to do that as well. So we will

2041
02:10:21,540 --> 02:10:26,620
clean up all of this area along this entire perimeter of the site. The balance?

2042
02:10:27,060 --> 02:10:29,940
Yes, go ahead, Jason. No, I was going to say we were going to have the site.

2043
02:10:30,200 --> 02:10:35,620
The existing vegetation that is healthy in mature, yogurt will remain. Of course, of course.

2044
02:10:36,060 --> 02:10:41,440
And by cleaning out the dead material and the invasives that existed, healthy material will

2045
02:10:41,440 --> 02:10:43,640
even more and more elaborately.

2046
02:10:43,940 --> 02:10:46,240
The balance of the site will be, and lushly planted.

2047
02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:49,060
As you know, in this area, boy, that is a break.

2048
02:10:49,180 --> 02:10:49,760
We need to apologize.

2049
02:10:50,540 --> 02:10:54,900
There is, if you know, driving down this area of the site,

2050
02:10:55,180 --> 02:10:58,080
right in front of you, is it, like, a 10 or 12-foot-high concrete wall?

2051
02:10:58,560 --> 02:10:59,680
That will no longer be the case.

2052
02:10:59,820 --> 02:11:01,440
I'll show you the next images in a few moments

2053
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:02,900
how we're going to address that.

2054
02:11:02,900 --> 02:11:04,580
We've got an entry sign in that area.

2055
02:11:04,760 --> 02:11:06,640
We've got a water feature that you're going to see,

2056
02:11:06,720 --> 02:11:09,080
that's sort of, and it's lushly landscaped,

2057
02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:15,120
with a whole pallet and material that consists of evergreen trees, deciduous trees, ornamentals,

2058
02:11:15,580 --> 02:11:19,660
we have shrubs and ground cover perennials, as you would see on that at plant lists.

2059
02:11:20,060 --> 02:11:24,260
All that you're not all but the great majority of trees, again, has been coordinated with Mr.

2060
02:11:24,300 --> 02:11:28,800
Linson. He's asked us to make some variety changes, which we were happy to do.

2061
02:11:29,460 --> 02:11:33,340
We've got some eastern red cedar, we've got red maple, we've got white oak,

2062
02:11:33,500 --> 02:11:38,140
things of that nature that are all native, and it will be a terrific look as one

2063
02:11:38,140 --> 02:11:42,960
passes by the site, certainly for the benefit of the residents as well as those passing by.

2064
02:11:43,560 --> 02:11:48,360
All the planting of longness area has been increased from our previous meeting.

2065
02:11:49,540 --> 02:11:54,480
Again, Rob perhaps you can enlarge the area of the loading zone and the transform and

2066
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:54,920
there you go.

2067
02:11:55,260 --> 02:11:56,540
So here's our loading zone.

2068
02:11:57,060 --> 02:12:02,120
So we have, as you can see in this area, we've based on our conversation last month

2069
02:12:02,120 --> 02:12:07,400
with Rob and you request we've added every green trees to buffer that area from the street.

2070
02:12:07,400 --> 02:12:13,100
So if there should be a truck parked there, it's unlikely that it would be very visible from the street.

2071
02:12:13,380 --> 02:12:14,980
We're trying to buff it that area.

2072
02:12:15,460 --> 02:12:18,960
Likewise, in the area of where there are two transformers and a generator,

2073
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:25,540
we've also provided ample evergreen screening again to buffer that area as well.

2074
02:12:26,020 --> 02:12:28,000
So the entire area, all along River Road,

2075
02:12:28,260 --> 02:12:32,200
even on Mars turn bike, we've got adequate plant material.

2076
02:12:32,920 --> 02:12:37,380
Again, a nice mix of pallet material, in addition to ground cover sawed.

2077
02:12:37,380 --> 02:12:38,780
And it's all well-lit as well.

2078
02:12:39,300 --> 02:12:43,020
So I think from that perspective, we've addressed something that you'll be very proud to see

2079
02:12:43,020 --> 02:12:46,460
as you circle by the site.

2080
02:12:47,180 --> 02:12:50,820
Probably if you've got an next image up what I'm going to show you is a perspective view

2081
02:12:50,820 --> 02:12:55,720
taken from this corner of the river, 8, 7, 7, 8, 7.

2082
02:12:55,720 --> 02:12:59,660
Yeah, and time just to be clear, all these exhibits prepared

2083
02:12:59,660 --> 02:13:00,520
on the U.S. supervisor.

2084
02:13:00,860 --> 02:13:02,400
Certainly, in our office, yes.

2085
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:03,000
On a mousier ball.

2086
02:13:03,100 --> 02:13:03,780
There's a lot of things.

2087
02:13:04,100 --> 02:13:04,800
OK, please.

2088
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:10,220
I just want to confirm that what we just saw is the revised.

2089
02:13:10,660 --> 02:13:11,940
That is a revised plan.

2090
02:13:12,100 --> 02:13:12,460
That's correct.

2091
02:13:12,700 --> 02:13:13,520
Yes, that's a revised.

2092
02:13:13,580 --> 02:13:14,220
Of the drive.

2093
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:15,080
And we submitted.

2094
02:13:15,240 --> 02:13:15,540
Yes.

2095
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:19,720
And a short name for A7 is entry court.

2096
02:13:20,160 --> 02:13:21,900
It's labeled entry court right here.

2097
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:24,920
So this is a view from up above kind of a little bit of a bird's

2098
02:13:24,920 --> 02:13:26,840
of you. You see the architecture in this area.

2099
02:13:27,020 --> 02:13:32,720
This is our lobby entrance that you hear our architects speak to a little bit later.

2100
02:13:33,320 --> 02:13:35,240
Hopefully tonight, this is our entry court.

2101
02:13:35,260 --> 02:13:41,160
As we're driving up in this area, we arrive here, we got a drop off area and then a nicely detailed

2102
02:13:41,160 --> 02:13:45,080
decorative pavement. As you know today, it's just a concrete parking deck.

2103
02:13:45,380 --> 02:13:50,860
So from this perspective, anyone who enjoys the residents and any of their guests will enjoy

2104
02:13:50,860 --> 02:13:54,940
a very attractive entry court and plaza area at that upper level.

2105
02:13:55,580 --> 02:13:59,520
And then this area is where the entry sign is in a water feature.

2106
02:13:59,720 --> 02:14:02,820
I'm going to show you a little bit closer view of that in a moment, but everything to the

2107
02:14:02,820 --> 02:14:05,860
left is new plant material, everything to the right as well.

2108
02:14:06,240 --> 02:14:11,520
And that large wall that I mentioned is going to be filled against in large part, clad with

2109
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:16,520
a decorative stone and be quite a nice feature again from a streetscape perspective.

2110
02:14:17,600 --> 02:14:18,600
So, Rob, next slide, please.

2111
02:14:19,140 --> 02:14:23,160
So A, we'll just see, is it okay?

2112
02:14:23,260 --> 02:14:24,720
We just call this what it's labeled the view.

2113
02:14:24,780 --> 02:14:25,080
Sure.

2114
02:14:25,320 --> 02:14:26,800
We can enlarge out a little bit, maybe.

2115
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:31,780
This is if you're looking down River Road in a northerly direction, as if you were coming

2116
02:14:31,780 --> 02:14:32,500
from Iris.

2117
02:14:32,520 --> 02:14:33,180
Oh, almost there.

2118
02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:33,860
Yep.

2119
02:14:34,620 --> 02:14:35,120
Make it bigger.

2120
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:35,880
Okay.

2121
02:14:36,060 --> 02:14:36,760
So you're going to have a little more rough.

2122
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:37,760
Yeah, you can zoom in, Rob.

2123
02:14:37,800 --> 02:14:38,840
You can zoom in a little more.

2124
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:40,100
Okay.

2125
02:14:40,540 --> 02:14:43,400
So this gives you a good perspective of what this would look like.

2126
02:14:43,560 --> 02:14:45,900
Again, you're going to hear more about the architecture and the details.

2127
02:14:45,900 --> 02:14:49,760
This is representative of it, but you'll hear more in detail from your architect.

2128
02:14:50,260 --> 02:14:53,120
But you can see this landscape area in here is elevated.

2129
02:14:53,800 --> 02:14:55,860
You can see the sidewalk coming down River Road.

2130
02:14:56,200 --> 02:14:59,740
And here you can get a brief view of the simple little view of the access.

2131
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,880
From the drop-off area and plaza area down to the sidewalk, and then approach the sidewalk for saying, or that the second entry.

2132
02:15:09,300 --> 02:15:12,180
This is the sidewalk for saying right here. That's the sidewalk from the entry court.

2133
02:15:12,520 --> 02:15:16,380
Yeah. The second entrance is past that further down. The second vehicular entrance.

2134
02:15:16,780 --> 02:15:17,800
Right. Yep.

2135
02:15:18,540 --> 02:15:26,560
So also Tom, a good point shown in this exhibit is the fact that the loading area is screened by those memories that you planted.

2136
02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:29,280
That's right, it brought maybe you can even zoom a little bit closer.

2137
02:15:29,900 --> 02:15:35,280
The loading area is down in this area and you can see the Evergreen's in that area that are buffering it even from this perspective.

2138
02:15:35,740 --> 02:15:38,500
Can we get the heights of planning heights for this?

2139
02:15:38,500 --> 02:15:38,960
Yeah, sure.

2140
02:15:39,140 --> 02:15:44,500
We have the Eastern Red Seeders and American hollies already up to Evergreen's of choice on this site.

2141
02:15:44,740 --> 02:15:47,920
And we vary if you look at the planted play you see the ratio made to 10.

2142
02:15:48,060 --> 02:15:50,860
10 to 12, even 14 to 16 feet and height.

2143
02:15:51,180 --> 02:15:54,060
And that's a particular view has them at what?

2144
02:15:54,060 --> 02:15:58,800
Okay, I'm going to use a varying heights from 10 to 16 feet, but these aren't, these aren't

2145
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:01,480
views that planting these are views after certain period of time.

2146
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:05,040
These are probably several, a couple of years beyond, that's a good point to probably a

2147
02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:09,680
couple of years of growth, but they would be planted anywhere from 10 to 16 feet and height.

2148
02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:13,080
And you can anticipate a foot to 18 inches of growth each year.

2149
02:16:14,980 --> 02:16:18,860
So if we pull back, even the shade trees as well, we just mentioned the Evergreen,

2150
02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:22,240
but the shade trees as well are large four to four and a half inch calendar trees,

2151
02:16:22,240 --> 02:16:29,220
sizeable trees so they'll have quite an initial impact even on day one. Next slide, right?

2152
02:16:33,270 --> 02:16:39,370
Okay, nine. Okay, so this is a close-up view on River Road at the corner of River and JFK Boulevard.

2153
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:45,350
Again, this is the entry sign. Our sign and you're going to, it's, it's, this is the largest of our signs.

2154
02:16:45,350 --> 02:16:50,450
This sign is actually 16 feet wide, four and a half feet tall, but it is at the top.

2155
02:16:50,450 --> 02:16:56,490
But this is the wall that is currently in place along the street.

2156
02:16:57,070 --> 02:16:58,930
You can see that we're filling up against it.

2157
02:16:59,150 --> 02:17:02,790
Today, that grade is all the way down here, but we're filling it with landscape and with

2158
02:17:02,790 --> 02:17:03,350
a water feature.

2159
02:17:03,630 --> 02:17:08,970
So we have water feature starting at the top, just below the sign, cascading down a series

2160
02:17:08,970 --> 02:17:14,670
of steps into a lower basin pool, of which there is no pool that's visible by the way.

2161
02:17:14,750 --> 02:17:19,430
It's all a below grade basin, so there won't be no standing water if that's the issue

2162
02:17:19,430 --> 02:17:19,790
with anyone.

2163
02:17:19,790 --> 02:17:21,230
It's just a cascading waterfall.

2164
02:17:21,710 --> 02:17:24,910
So a beautiful attraction along the street,

2165
02:17:25,470 --> 02:17:27,810
lightly, nicely adorned with shade trees

2166
02:17:27,810 --> 02:17:29,970
and never reads as well, in large caliber.

2167
02:17:30,930 --> 02:17:32,990
This is a shot of the same sign at night.

2168
02:17:32,990 --> 02:17:34,550
So eight, eight, ten, eight, ten, eight, ten.

2169
02:17:34,550 --> 02:17:37,670
Eight, ten, it's called a, it's called a jiff,

2170
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:41,890
there were the night view of the Vanilly sign.

2171
02:17:42,190 --> 02:17:42,550
We're caught.

2172
02:17:43,410 --> 02:17:45,150
And the water's lit as well.

2173
02:17:46,050 --> 02:17:49,010
I think a beautiful site for the,

2174
02:17:49,010 --> 02:17:58,530
passing by. And it is backlit, I should point out, it has an acrylic lens, white acrylic that

2175
02:17:58,530 --> 02:18:04,190
will be backlit, so it's very softly lit at night. That's the first of our three signs. We actually

2176
02:18:04,190 --> 02:18:09,810
have three monuments signs. This is one. The second one is the next rub, which is at the main entrance.

2177
02:18:09,930 --> 02:18:14,730
This is the entry drive off of River Road. This is a vertically oriented sign to sign itself.

2178
02:18:14,730 --> 02:18:19,930
it is 10 feet high, although it sits on a wall that is 14 feet high. And it perfectly

2179
02:18:19,930 --> 02:18:24,070
in scale with the building. You can see the sidewalk in the foreground, lushly planted

2180
02:18:24,070 --> 02:18:28,270
and off to the left here as well. See some of the ever-grees that are planted as well.

2181
02:18:28,570 --> 02:18:32,050
So with the Bethesign, 10 feet tall, it's obviously less wide.

2182
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:37,570
The width of the sign is, I think it's 3 feet wide. The sign itself, 3 feet by 10 feet.

2183
02:18:38,210 --> 02:18:43,150
And again, the sign that the wall that is on is 14 feet tall. I think it's by 6 feet wide.

2184
02:18:47,110 --> 02:18:55,950
And again, even in the...to the left is where the loading dock is, so that screen and in the distance is where the transformers are and they are also screened in this view.

2185
02:18:56,790 --> 02:19:05,300
And then the next slide is a night image of this one, again, same kind of interior internal lighting lights went out.

2186
02:19:06,900 --> 02:19:07,340
There you go.

2187
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:08,600
There you go.

2188
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:09,580
There you go.

2189
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:10,860
There it is.

2190
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:14,480
There it is.

2191
02:19:14,480 --> 02:19:15,940
for a soft white light.

2192
02:19:16,220 --> 02:19:17,000
That's about 12.

2193
02:19:17,540 --> 02:19:18,540
I think K12 correct.

2194
02:19:19,260 --> 02:19:20,880
And this is the third sign.

2195
02:19:21,720 --> 02:19:22,580
This is the second sign.

2196
02:19:22,640 --> 02:19:23,100
Second sign.

2197
02:19:23,680 --> 02:19:24,620
It's just the night time.

2198
02:19:25,540 --> 02:19:26,940
Night view is the same one.

2199
02:19:27,400 --> 02:19:29,080
Two views of each of the two signs so far.

2200
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:30,940
There's one more sign you will see momentarily.

2201
02:19:31,980 --> 02:19:32,860
Next slide.

2202
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:43,360
Yeah, we see it here.

2203
02:19:44,460 --> 02:19:45,780
We have tactical difficulty.

2204
02:19:49,720 --> 02:19:51,480
You don't have to go forwards, right?

2205
02:19:51,500 --> 02:19:52,080
I have boards.

2206
02:19:53,060 --> 02:19:53,860
You can bring out the board.

2207
02:19:53,860 --> 02:19:54,260
There it is.

2208
02:19:55,380 --> 02:19:57,140
So this is, I've included a couple images.

2209
02:19:57,520 --> 02:19:59,080
Again, you can zoom a little bit here, Rob.

2210
02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:02,360
This is showing a view from across from the golf course.

2211
02:20:02,560 --> 02:20:03,280
Look at across the street.

2212
02:20:03,740 --> 02:20:06,280
This right here is a 13.

2213
02:20:08,600 --> 02:20:11,580
View across river road from the golf course.

2214
02:20:11,960 --> 02:20:14,960
This is the side, the end of that entry sign.

2215
02:20:14,960 --> 02:20:18,340
and you can see the Evergreen's that are buffering and screening the loading dock.

2216
02:20:20,440 --> 02:20:20,520
Next slide.

2217
02:20:20,520 --> 02:20:20,900
Next slide.

2218
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:21,500
Same side.

2219
02:20:22,560 --> 02:20:23,500
That's the same side.

2220
02:20:23,980 --> 02:20:25,000
That is the same side.

2221
02:20:25,940 --> 02:20:29,280
And here is just one more view backed up a little bit more on River Road.

2222
02:20:29,720 --> 02:20:31,220
Again, just want to give you a little perspective.

2223
02:20:31,320 --> 02:20:31,560
OK.

2224
02:20:31,640 --> 02:20:33,880
In the fact that we are in fact screening that adequately.

2225
02:20:34,380 --> 02:20:36,320
I know that was a important point for you.

2226
02:20:36,540 --> 02:20:36,560
Eight.

2227
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:37,100
What's it that was?

2228
02:20:38,660 --> 02:20:42,460
So these are the Evergreen's screening the loading area, which is beyond that.

2229
02:20:45,580 --> 02:20:46,540
And then next slide.

2230
02:20:47,260 --> 02:20:50,400
This is the third and final ground monument sign.

2231
02:20:50,540 --> 02:20:55,560
This is at the corner of Morris and River Road on the corner.

2232
02:20:56,300 --> 02:20:56,900
Same size.

2233
02:20:57,100 --> 02:20:58,580
This is the 10 foot.

2234
02:20:59,560 --> 02:21:01,260
Sign is 10 feet wide.

2235
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:03,600
The wall is on his 14 feet.

2236
02:21:04,220 --> 02:21:07,600
Same dimensions as the initial sign that they entrance.

2237
02:21:08,260 --> 02:21:09,680
But it's horizontal as opposed to vertical.

2238
02:21:10,280 --> 02:21:10,860
Same dimensions.

2239
02:21:14,380 --> 02:21:15,860
So a three-ground amount of signs.

2240
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:20,320
And then the last slide, I'm going to, not that one, where is it going?

2241
02:21:20,500 --> 02:21:20,880
There you go.

2242
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:22,820
So this is, I mentioned the last slide, we're

2243
02:21:22,820 --> 02:21:25,060
going to finish on the second floor, a man in the space.

2244
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:28,760
Maybe you can, maybe 16, 16, 16, OK.

2245
02:21:29,100 --> 02:21:33,000
So what we have here, again, this is these two courtyards,

2246
02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:35,380
and this is the same orientation.

2247
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:37,080
Because there's a lot of devices.

2248
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:38,020
You can see it a lot, man.

2249
02:21:38,360 --> 02:21:39,680
Yeah, I'll go to go to the pool for you.

2250
02:21:39,680 --> 02:21:46,780
So, what is shown in blue is the amenity space to be determined, you'll hear more about that.

2251
02:21:46,860 --> 02:21:50,800
What's in there from New York, a blue area is a amenity space interior, a amenity space.

2252
02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:53,960
It'll be fitness rooms, yoga, club room, that kind of thing.

2253
02:21:54,240 --> 02:21:58,700
And then outside in the courtyard, we have a swimming pool with ample chase lounges.

2254
02:21:58,720 --> 02:22:01,700
We have cabanas backing up onto JFK Boulevard.

2255
02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:03,260
There are barbeque areas.

2256
02:22:04,100 --> 02:22:06,320
There's a pavilion in here with restrooms.

2257
02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:09,000
There's a feature wall with fireplace and TV.

2258
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:18,160
We have outdoor barbecues, we have lounge seating and fire bowls for enjoyment of night time use.

2259
02:22:19,300 --> 02:22:23,680
As you know, the pool area is a three-month type of use, Memorial Day to Labor Day.

2260
02:22:24,060 --> 02:22:27,060
So that will be fenced in an enclosed and in an in-off season.

2261
02:22:27,580 --> 02:22:29,960
The balance of this area is accessible to the residents as well.

2262
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:39,480
So it's a great amenity. We also have several the units, the homes that are on that roof level. We have private paddios as well for their enjoyment.

2263
02:22:40,360 --> 02:22:46,980
And then if we jump over to the other roof top, it's a little bit more passive. In this area we have two access points by the hallway.

2264
02:22:47,460 --> 02:22:57,200
And we have private paddios, as you can see, lining the perimeter. There's a walkway that's where you can stroll through this area. And also it's just passive. We have a lawn area.

2265
02:22:57,200 --> 02:23:00,820
Again, some outdoor seating, lounge areas, some barbecue grills.

2266
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:02,840
We have a feature wall for outdoor movies

2267
02:23:02,840 --> 02:23:06,520
that we can project a movie on and ample landscape as well.

2268
02:23:08,020 --> 02:23:10,720
We, in addition to that, back me, back up a little bit, Rob.

2269
02:23:11,100 --> 02:23:13,920
Let me touch on a green roof concept that if you will.

2270
02:23:14,380 --> 02:23:17,680
All of it, when interior to these plantings interior the couriers,

2271
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:19,820
we have what's called intensive green roof.

2272
02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:21,440
That's where there's some soil depth.

2273
02:23:21,660 --> 02:23:24,960
Let me be a foot, two feet, there are even 30 inches in some areas.

2274
02:23:25,720 --> 02:23:26,860
That's in both couriers.

2275
02:23:26,860 --> 02:23:34,700
But then outside of that area in this dislocation and dislocation as well, there's quite a lot of what we would call extensive green roof.

2276
02:23:34,900 --> 02:23:42,940
That's a series of serum trays that have been several benefits. Obviously aesthetically, it's better for heat island effect, it cools the temperature.

2277
02:23:43,500 --> 02:23:48,200
It also has some wildlife benefit and from a stormwater perspective, which is the main reason we do it.

2278
02:23:48,200 --> 02:23:51,480
It's actually actually, as a sponge, holds water.

2279
02:23:52,120 --> 02:23:55,460
And together, the intensive and extensive rooftop

2280
02:23:55,460 --> 02:23:58,480
green areas total just shy of a half an acre,

2281
02:23:58,660 --> 02:23:59,380
which is a substantial.

2282
02:24:00,440 --> 02:24:03,100
I know that was now calculated in Rob's stormwater

2283
02:24:03,100 --> 02:24:06,000
testimony, but there is some definite benefit to that.

2284
02:24:06,280 --> 02:24:10,440
So aesthetics, stormwater, nice feature for the residents.

2285
02:24:11,900 --> 02:24:14,640
And with that, that concludes my testimony.

2286
02:24:14,980 --> 02:24:16,160
Happy to answer any questions you may have.

2287
02:24:16,160 --> 02:24:24,260
time. Wow. Okay. So I'd like to start with Mr. Golden. This time would you have any questions?

2288
02:24:24,840 --> 02:24:28,140
No questions. Thank you. Thank you.

2289
02:24:30,200 --> 02:24:33,060
I'm still absorbing. Thank you, Chair.

2290
02:24:33,740 --> 02:24:37,280
Should I start it over there? No, I'm still absorbing it. It's beautiful. I'd like to see more

2291
02:24:37,280 --> 02:24:42,780
the elevations of the overall structures we go through the architectural review. Yeah, you will see that.

2292
02:24:43,460 --> 02:24:46,720
I think it looks like a beautiful design from what I've seen.

2293
02:24:47,620 --> 02:24:51,920
For the green roof, there's a way to quantify the benefits in terms of stormwater in particular,

2294
02:24:52,440 --> 02:24:54,560
that you expect to get from the green roof.

2295
02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:55,760
First is like that.

2296
02:24:55,900 --> 02:24:57,720
First is the status quo.

2297
02:24:58,180 --> 02:24:59,740
That'll be a question for Rob.

2298
02:24:59,980 --> 02:25:00,660
Yes, to quantify.

2299
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:01,420
Yes, yes.

2300
02:25:02,660 --> 02:25:05,020
I guess Rob maybe we could prepare like a short memo.

2301
02:25:05,180 --> 02:25:06,080
This is a material engineer.

2302
02:25:06,660 --> 02:25:08,320
Just to get what that number would be.

2303
02:25:08,740 --> 02:25:11,400
What benefit it has from a mathematical perspective,

2304
02:25:11,400 --> 02:25:13,240
about your cut asses.

2305
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:17,240
Any other questions?

2306
02:25:18,260 --> 02:25:20,980
Is it possible and spend your hands?

2307
02:25:21,320 --> 02:25:29,500
Is it possible to prepare an Irish road back yard of view of what someone standing

2308
02:25:29,500 --> 02:25:31,780
in his or her backyard on Irish road?

2309
02:25:32,100 --> 02:25:36,440
We'll see across the community in the building or put it back.

2310
02:25:36,520 --> 02:25:38,720
Let's look at that.

2311
02:25:38,720 --> 02:25:43,620
So those two use what somebody would see standing in his or her backyard just from

2312
02:25:43,620 --> 02:25:51,680
New Parkway, looking straight on, and what someone would see from Irish Road in his or her backyard, looking through the Muni.

2313
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:53,040
I'm just wondering what they're going to do.

2314
02:25:53,040 --> 02:25:54,080
A view from Irish Road.

2315
02:25:54,480 --> 02:25:56,360
I think the trees are short.

2316
02:25:56,900 --> 02:26:01,660
Now, understand here's a golf course in between our homes on Irish Road and this building, right?

2317
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:01,880
Right.

2318
02:26:01,980 --> 02:26:02,860
That's a long way.

2319
02:26:04,460 --> 02:26:04,740
I'm sorry.

2320
02:26:04,980 --> 02:26:06,120
That's part of the route, right?

2321
02:26:06,360 --> 02:26:10,080
I mean, they're going to see exactly because there's nothing to stop it.

2322
02:26:10,400 --> 02:26:11,680
Well, there's ample trees through there.

2323
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:14,000
But we could prepare that view if you'd like.

2324
02:26:14,340 --> 02:26:14,780
We could do that.

2325
02:26:14,780 --> 02:26:16,420
I think that makes sense for...

2326
02:26:16,420 --> 02:26:16,940
We can do that.

2327
02:26:17,060 --> 02:26:19,780
The neighbors, you want us to have some idea of what they're going to see.

2328
02:26:19,980 --> 02:26:20,200
Sure.

2329
02:26:21,060 --> 02:26:21,920
We'll be happy to do that.

2330
02:26:22,120 --> 02:26:24,800
Just for clarification, if I may be out of the chair,

2331
02:26:25,260 --> 02:26:27,460
would the request be at ground level,

2332
02:26:27,840 --> 02:26:30,360
second-story bedroom level, or what?

2333
02:26:40,700 --> 02:26:43,160
And I guess, can I just further...

2334
02:26:43,160 --> 02:26:48,000
I've done cross-sections and studies like this before.

2335
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:52,200
And I think that's why Steve has probably seen these as well, and that's why he asked the question.

2336
02:26:53,160 --> 02:26:58,120
It is sometimes difficult in the time you think, if this is not a problem, then just tell me.

2337
02:26:58,740 --> 02:27:03,280
We can't get into people's property, because we don't have the right to trespass on somebody's.

2338
02:27:03,440 --> 02:27:06,000
It's just going to say that it would be required to do that.

2339
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:07,740
Yeah, effectively.

2340
02:27:08,260 --> 02:27:11,620
Yeah, I'm just saying we'll do the best we can to do that.

2341
02:27:11,620 --> 02:27:16,260
I'm just saying we can't go on to someone's property without permission to get a vanish point.

2342
02:27:16,260 --> 02:27:20,240
That's all I'm sorry. So we'll do the best we can ask the same question when we have our

2343
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:26,840
lighting expert if you're going to have one because we're not going to have a separate lighting.

2344
02:27:27,060 --> 02:27:30,540
It's for Rob testified until lighting when he testified on the civil drawings.

2345
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:34,520
So then I guess it would make sense to have a new friend of a second for a better result.

2346
02:27:35,620 --> 02:27:39,520
So they can get an idea of what they're going to see that they're not seeing now.

2347
02:27:39,940 --> 02:27:43,380
And what is going to be beautifully, it looks like a lot of it is going to be beautifully masked

2348
02:27:43,380 --> 02:27:46,880
than that's free, but I think it makes some sense to take a little bit.

2349
02:27:47,180 --> 02:27:51,900
Yeah, I think, honestly, I think that if a view from ground level or a second for a

2350
02:27:51,900 --> 02:27:55,680
bedroom is about 10, 12 feet, it's not going to make much of a difference from that distance.

2351
02:27:56,240 --> 02:28:00,160
I mean, we're going to be close to a thousand feet away. So that 10 foot difference is not going

2352
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:06,300
to be very much. Yeah. So I think it's a single view. It would be helpful also to

2353
02:28:06,300 --> 02:28:09,580
of lighting impacts at that distance, too.

2354
02:28:10,060 --> 02:28:16,060
I mean, we're happy to provide it, but I just want to just say a few things that might

2355
02:28:16,060 --> 02:28:16,940
not be very popular.

2356
02:28:17,860 --> 02:28:19,860
One, and I have to do it.

2357
02:28:19,860 --> 02:28:24,860
It complies with the ordinance in terms of height, setbacks, and coverage is, okay.

2358
02:28:25,560 --> 02:28:30,680
In addition to that, the lighting that was only one deviation we needed for lighting, and

2359
02:28:30,680 --> 02:28:35,620
Rob testify to that, it was at the driveway, but other than that, it was completely

2360
02:28:35,620 --> 02:28:40,180
the lighting on the site was completely conforming. So we're happy to show it, but I just

2361
02:28:40,180 --> 02:28:45,220
want to also indicate that there were zoning requirements prepared for this. It's site plan,

2362
02:28:45,480 --> 02:28:50,200
ordinances that govern it and we've complied with them, except for that one little deviation

2363
02:28:50,200 --> 02:28:55,060
on lighting, but it was actually on the roadway. But if the board wants us to prepare it,

2364
02:28:55,200 --> 02:28:57,560
and we'll obviously enough finishing tonight, we're happy to prepare.

2365
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:04,040
Some viewsheds. I'd be okay. Okay. One thing that I don't know if the board members know,

2366
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:09,060
But oftentimes when we'll add a condition of approval

2367
02:29:09,060 --> 02:29:11,680
if you agree and you're out looking at agrees,

2368
02:29:12,780 --> 02:29:15,760
that call yours will come back out in six months

2369
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:20,220
and check the lighting and see if there are any

2370
02:29:20,220 --> 02:29:22,420
glaring spots, anything that can be tweaked

2371
02:29:22,420 --> 02:29:25,060
so that it's less of an effect on neighbors,

2372
02:29:25,540 --> 02:29:27,560
which is often, honestly, it's hard to predict

2373
02:29:27,560 --> 02:29:31,000
how glare and how lights are going to affect neighbors.

2374
02:29:31,500 --> 02:29:33,600
So we found that to be a really good tool

2375
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:40,860
And we schedule it within three months or six months or whatever the board decides and then tweaks are made that help

2376
02:29:40,860 --> 02:29:45,880
I think a lot of more to doing that and I think it's actually benefits both sides to be honest with you

2377
02:29:45,880 --> 02:29:54,460
I think it does mitigate that and this unlike a lot of projects I've seen

2378
02:29:54,460 --> 02:29:59,980
Frankly, it doesn't have as much of a lighting issue in my view but I shouldn't be saying that

2379
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,400
All right, right now. We'll see. We'll see. You all will decide.

2380
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:09,760
Okay. You, uh, on the floor. Oh, I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm done. I'm sorry. I'm done, Susan. Yes, yeah. Okay.

2381
02:30:10,140 --> 02:30:16,680
That was one of probably my biggest concerns with this application is I noticed that you got a waiver for noise glare.

2382
02:30:16,920 --> 02:30:21,780
And I was just curious how, or the checklist waiver. How did that come about?

2383
02:30:21,780 --> 02:30:32,440
And I think to Susan's point, we're going to have to see some more that would be helpful for the residents to see and just wasn't sure how that waiver, how we can see more information around the lighting.

2384
02:30:33,020 --> 02:30:36,780
I mean, I think the reason that we asked for the waiver while it was granted was,

2385
02:30:36,840 --> 02:30:39,740
noise we have to comply with the city's ordinance and the DEP ordinance.

2386
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:45,180
So we have to know getting around that. So we have to do that. So that's why that was that.

2387
02:30:45,180 --> 02:30:48,440
And then obviously the use is not something that generates significant amount of noise.

2388
02:30:49,340 --> 02:30:55,040
And then on the lighting, as we indicated, we all have LED shielded fixtures and the

2389
02:30:55,040 --> 02:30:59,880
only deviation, as we testified to it the last meeting, was at that one spot, but the rest

2390
02:30:59,880 --> 02:31:03,680
of the fixtures all her shielded and don't provide any glare.

2391
02:31:03,860 --> 02:31:04,680
So that's not the why.

2392
02:31:05,060 --> 02:31:10,280
We asked for the waiver, but again, we're happy to show this view that you requested.

2393
02:31:10,580 --> 02:31:12,980
Steve, who typically approves the waivers?

2394
02:31:12,980 --> 02:31:16,660
I noticed there wasn't an actual approval authority in our ordinance.

2395
02:31:17,960 --> 02:31:22,320
I believe our board engineer seems to be our board planner.

2396
02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:24,740
Teams the application completely.

2397
02:31:26,340 --> 02:31:28,220
So that's my question.

2398
02:31:28,420 --> 02:31:30,420
Go back to you that I guess.

2399
02:31:31,660 --> 02:31:36,400
In our ordinance it doesn't state who is the approval authority for a waiver.

2400
02:31:37,900 --> 02:31:39,880
So how do we get that answer?

2401
02:31:39,880 --> 02:31:45,160
customarily, it comes back to the board technically, essentially, if the board was to deviate the board.

2402
02:31:45,160 --> 02:31:48,700
So the board has ultimate jurisdiction over a checklist waiver.

2403
02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:51,180
Correct, but the applicant can request the waiver.

2404
02:31:51,780 --> 02:31:54,060
And so therefore they did request that waiver.

2405
02:31:54,580 --> 02:31:56,220
So it's probably from their performance standards.

2406
02:31:56,540 --> 02:31:56,600
I'm sorry.

2407
02:31:56,740 --> 02:32:01,120
Okay, so just to clarify, two checklist waivers were, one was for safety,

2408
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:08,220
and one was for noise, emission, glare, vibration, heat, odor, water, and safety.

2409
02:32:08,760 --> 02:32:14,380
Yeah, can I just clarify one thing that it's a, sorry, sorry, but I did not do the

2410
02:32:14,380 --> 02:32:14,720
completeness.

2411
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:16,100
That's okay.

2412
02:32:17,340 --> 02:32:21,000
Our certificate of completeness is issued by your administrative staff.

2413
02:32:21,640 --> 02:32:24,660
So we are complete for purposes of the time of the act and all that.

2414
02:32:24,980 --> 02:32:30,460
However, the MLU, the state, despite us being deemed complete, the board can ask for additional

2415
02:32:30,460 --> 02:32:32,720
information and not the course of the proceeding.

2416
02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:33,380
Thank you.

2417
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:38,060
Even though we're complete, it doesn't prohibit the board from saying, hey, we might need

2418
02:32:38,060 --> 02:32:39,960
or clarity or more information on a topic.

2419
02:32:40,300 --> 02:32:42,180
So I think the checklist waiver is simply

2420
02:32:42,180 --> 02:32:45,300
to deem the application complete to come to the board.

2421
02:32:45,420 --> 02:32:48,700
The board never waves its right to ask for,

2422
02:32:48,700 --> 02:32:52,800
even the same items that were not required to be provided

2423
02:32:52,800 --> 02:32:57,260
in advance to the board to have the application come to it

2424
02:32:57,260 --> 02:32:58,120
to be heard.

2425
02:32:58,380 --> 02:33:02,120
The board always reserves the right to ask for that information

2426
02:33:02,120 --> 02:33:05,600
should the board so desired during the application process

2427
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:10,840
or alternatively as a condition of approval, subsequent to that.

2428
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:15,460
I know our board members know that, but I wanted to say that out loud for members of the public.

2429
02:33:16,180 --> 02:33:17,700
Yeah, maybe we didn't know.

2430
02:33:18,740 --> 02:33:23,280
I guess my question would be what typically would be invited and included in that waiver checklist.

2431
02:33:26,260 --> 02:33:28,740
What would have been provided that was waived, I guess?

2432
02:33:30,340 --> 02:33:32,780
For noise, I mean, you could have done it.

2433
02:33:32,780 --> 02:33:35,220
It could have noise consultant to a noise study,

2434
02:33:35,480 --> 02:33:38,980
but again, based on this use, I rarely

2435
02:33:38,980 --> 02:33:41,500
seen them in just residential projects.

2436
02:33:41,700 --> 02:33:45,460
They usually would be done in a industrial type of project,

2437
02:33:46,060 --> 02:33:47,920
or something that has manufacturing,

2438
02:33:48,360 --> 02:33:49,560
or something of all of those lines.

2439
02:33:50,600 --> 02:33:53,660
The lighting, I think we provided this efficient lighting plan,

2440
02:33:53,900 --> 02:33:55,620
you have a complete lighting plan that was submitted

2441
02:33:55,620 --> 02:33:59,580
by the applicant with photometric plan with put candles.

2442
02:33:59,800 --> 02:34:02,760
You have the fixtures that show that they're shielded,

2443
02:34:02,760 --> 02:34:09,760
So those have all been provided. Again, I don't know if the board feels they need any additional items, but those were all provided with the application.

2444
02:34:10,300 --> 02:34:20,560
I would feel much more comfortable getting more information for the residents in regards to those six or so items on the, we were just so they have a better level of comfort.

2445
02:34:20,560 --> 02:34:28,720
I think on the lighting issue with the chairwoman recommended was proper where if I mean

2446
02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:32,760
our foot candles are really low as we testified to except in that one spot but even

2447
02:34:32,760 --> 02:34:40,180
where we EDA it's only 1.3 which is really minimal but if they can it can be adjusted

2448
02:34:40,180 --> 02:34:45,300
after six months that's fine the applicant would agree to that condition of approval

2449
02:34:45,300 --> 02:34:53,960
that's perfectly fine. But I think it goes into things that we're not even, we're not going

2450
02:34:53,960 --> 02:34:55,840
to provide testimony on tonight.

2451
02:34:57,960 --> 02:35:00,320
So I think it would just be, I think we'd like to just

2452
02:35:00,320 --> 02:35:07,540
take another look at some of those things. Just so we're clear, what exactly might the applicant

2453
02:35:07,540 --> 02:35:12,820
be providing, what might you be requesting and what might the applicant be providing?

2454
02:35:12,820 --> 02:35:20,900
Well, I haven't seen the checklists so I wouldn't know can would you be comfortable with Marie working with the applicant for anything

2455
02:35:20,900 --> 02:35:28,710
I think we want to see what what actually would be provided in the normal application and that way

2456
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:34,120
I don't know what I don't know

2457
02:35:36,900 --> 02:35:41,300
So that so that the board knows what it's asking for in the applicant knows what is providing

2458
02:35:42,820 --> 02:35:47,540
clear we go because I was going to ask the follow-up on the traffic at the end and what

2459
02:35:47,540 --> 02:35:51,980
you put the board wanted us to actually do just to clarify. Can we just finish

2460
02:35:51,980 --> 02:35:56,440
Mr. Vauer and then I'll yeah we can come back I don't I don't we can come back

2461
02:35:56,440 --> 02:36:00,140
back to right. That's fine. Okay. All right.

2462
02:36:01,120 --> 02:36:06,040
On that last question. Sure. What happens when trees die? That's who year? Is it a

2463
02:36:06,040 --> 02:36:10,340
least a two year. Yeah but I'll give you two answers to it. One is what Council is

2464
02:36:10,340 --> 02:36:14,440
to say we have a two-year maintenance bond that we have to provide upon release of the performance

2465
02:36:14,440 --> 02:36:19,200
bond. So you get that for a while. Then the other is this is our landscape plan. The board

2466
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:24,560
proves the landscape plan. The tree dies. We are going to replace it. If you can, it's part of

2467
02:36:24,560 --> 02:36:29,680
our proof site plan. And then what has the landscape plan been coordinated with fire to make sure

2468
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:38,080
that nothing's in the way of either. They've seen all the drawings. And I think the only item that

2469
02:36:38,780 --> 02:36:44,660
Mr. Paraboy mentioned was just to ensure that there was no site distance issue at that curvature in the road

2470
02:36:44,660 --> 02:36:48,840
But other than that I think they and there are there is no site distance issue. Yeah

2471
02:36:48,840 --> 02:36:50,620
I'm just thinking more of just getting a

2472
02:36:50,620 --> 02:36:56,660
Collatter over a tree that maybe that that was that was significant we discussed fire department

2473
02:36:56,660 --> 02:37:02,680
Specifically on the JFK side. Yeah, so that was significant that was discussed. I think that was discussed. I think Rob from a lot of us

2474
02:37:03,320 --> 02:37:07,080
Be sworn again, but that was significant we discussed before we got to the board

2475
02:37:10,350 --> 02:37:11,290
Are you done?

2476
02:37:12,010 --> 02:37:12,210
Okay.

2477
02:37:12,750 --> 02:37:13,370
All right.

2478
02:37:14,350 --> 02:37:14,890
I had a question.

2479
02:37:16,210 --> 02:37:20,150
What other locations could the transformers be located?

2480
02:37:20,330 --> 02:37:22,810
And what other locations do you consider?

2481
02:37:23,790 --> 02:37:28,530
Because to have the right at the entrance and then having to cover the problem, I don't.

2482
02:37:29,290 --> 02:37:29,970
I look at a lot of.

2483
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:38,420
I believe that was done extensively and that was the least offensive location for it. Best location and least offensive.

2484
02:37:39,180 --> 02:37:41,060
At the end? Yes.

2485
02:37:43,180 --> 02:37:54,900
I think that was the answer. Could it have been on plan east? You know along the highway or trees along there? I think that may be better answered by the architect.

2486
02:37:54,900 --> 02:38:02,380
So we will reserve that question for them and

2487
02:38:04,400 --> 02:38:09,160
tell me how did you all decide to do a water

2488
02:38:09,160 --> 02:38:14,880
feature is there is it just aesthetics or is there other reason purely aesthetics yeah

2489
02:38:14,880 --> 02:38:22,340
it's just that we wanted to make it a visual impact right right about a prominent location yeah

2490
02:38:23,140 --> 02:38:34,640
You know, being a foreseason area, sometimes water futures look great in the summer and in the spring, but they don't look so great in the winter months.

2491
02:38:34,700 --> 02:38:44,340
Well, that's the beauty of this one. If the water were to be turned off, if we still have the stepped architecture and beautiful landscape, so it was still be attractive, even if the water were turned off.

2492
02:38:44,340 --> 02:38:49,140
right yeah would there be any consideration of just making it more green space there

2493
02:38:49,140 --> 02:38:53,380
in and around the side I know I think there's ample green is all it's green all around it

2494
02:38:53,380 --> 02:38:58,380
with the exception of those step area with the waterfall yeah understood but yeah I mean

2495
02:38:58,380 --> 02:39:01,220
if the water was eliminate it could be more green sure

2496
02:39:02,100 --> 02:39:07,820
are you asking do you not like the waterfall I'm sure I don't want to say that

2497
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:12,440
I'd like to discuss it with my board members.

2498
02:39:13,660 --> 02:39:15,060
Just asking why.

2499
02:39:18,480 --> 02:39:25,820
And the signs are large, but I think in context probably not a problem visually.

2500
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:31,580
I'm just, I'm surprised how large they are.

2501
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:34,200
Honestly, they're larger than what I'm accustomed to seeing.

2502
02:39:34,760 --> 02:39:38,260
The other thing is, I just want to make sure they're not.

2503
02:39:38,260 --> 02:39:43,620
going to be visually because you know once by that entrance and I think we touched on this but I don't

2504
02:39:43,620 --> 02:39:49,500
know whether the signs were in the sightline discussion. They're not. No, there's no sightline structure.

2505
02:39:49,600 --> 02:39:54,960
Those are in part in there when that was evaluated. The sightline date is their respective

2506
02:39:54,960 --> 02:40:03,800
other sightlines. Yes. Okay. And then the one that is on the approach from Moore's turnpike,

2507
02:40:04,800 --> 02:40:09,820
That definitely is at the corner and we are worried about pedestrians or worried about visibility

2508
02:40:09,820 --> 02:40:12,420
and people banking that turn going faster than they should.

2509
02:40:12,700 --> 02:40:21,080
If that was pulled up a little bit more, that would help with visualizing that bit of river roads

2510
02:40:21,080 --> 02:40:21,520
sooner.

2511
02:40:22,060 --> 02:40:22,840
Would that be possible?

2512
02:40:23,200 --> 02:40:26,540
We can look at that again, but I think it's pretty close to where the retaining wall of

2513
02:40:26,540 --> 02:40:27,560
the garage is.

2514
02:40:27,740 --> 02:40:29,820
I don't know how much closer it can get to the garage.

2515
02:40:30,320 --> 02:40:33,220
How much more visibility back in the future?

2516
02:40:33,220 --> 02:40:36,620
And the guy we believe for example is a very nice.

2517
02:40:36,620 --> 02:40:40,260
It looks like it definitely would impede your view of it.

2518
02:40:40,360 --> 02:40:43,180
I don't think it doesn't pede the view.

2519
02:40:43,320 --> 02:40:45,340
Obviously without the sign as you have more view,

2520
02:40:45,560 --> 02:40:47,340
but I think there's ample view of the way with it.

2521
02:40:47,640 --> 02:40:52,560
But would there be any downside to moving it up up the...

2522
02:40:52,560 --> 02:40:55,440
Well, there is, as you know, if you drive that area on Mars Turnt,

2523
02:40:55,480 --> 02:41:01,060
there is a directional sign that says JFK into the mall.

2524
02:41:01,240 --> 02:41:02,740
There's a large sign right there.

2525
02:41:02,740 --> 02:41:04,880
And there's a guardrail there, and it all runs along.

2526
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:07,120
Then there's a steep slope that goes down to the garage.

2527
02:41:07,580 --> 02:41:10,080
So I think the location where we have it,

2528
02:41:10,260 --> 02:41:11,340
respects all of those elements.

2529
02:41:12,120 --> 02:41:13,780
So it couldn't be further up, you're saying,

2530
02:41:14,120 --> 02:41:16,280
because they're, and it would then be behind the other

2531
02:41:16,280 --> 02:41:21,140
directional sign, which was at the JFK Mall sign,

2532
02:41:21,400 --> 02:41:23,540
the traffic sign, which I would use with that.

2533
02:41:23,540 --> 02:41:25,780
Would be blocked sign, because you know how people are

2534
02:41:25,780 --> 02:41:28,580
going to faint and come around there really fast.

2535
02:41:29,320 --> 02:41:32,240
I mean, we can look at that as part of this.

2536
02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:34,420
This double check-a when you're doing all the stress-dressed.

2537
02:41:34,760 --> 02:41:35,340
Okay, great.

2538
02:41:36,520 --> 02:41:37,240
There's my questions.

2539
02:41:37,800 --> 02:41:38,620
Okay, next.

2540
02:41:39,100 --> 02:41:39,540
Mr. Stern.

2541
02:41:40,820 --> 02:41:41,680
I just have to.

2542
02:41:42,760 --> 02:41:47,380
I think there's a utility line that runs on the eastern edge of the property.

2543
02:41:48,160 --> 02:41:50,520
Where somebody's trees are kind of pillow it.

2544
02:41:50,740 --> 02:41:53,080
Any concern as they grow?

2545
02:41:54,340 --> 02:42:00,120
I don't think we're in conflict with the utility line, but we will be happy to check that.

2546
02:42:02,120 --> 02:42:04,780
And then, are we going to address some more amount of events, ever?

2547
02:42:05,380 --> 02:42:08,060
Not in relation to the place making plan or something?

2548
02:42:08,140 --> 02:42:11,620
Well, Mr.ford did that extensively at the first meeting.

2549
02:42:13,460 --> 02:42:15,900
I mean, if there's a follow-up question,

2550
02:42:16,160 --> 02:42:18,240
I'd really question all the trees that you're going to be planning.

2551
02:42:18,300 --> 02:42:20,860
How is that going to impact the drainage outside?

2552
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:22,460
Can you answer that time?

2553
02:42:22,560 --> 02:42:25,640
Yeah, I don't think it has a, certainly it doesn't have any negative impact on drainage.

2554
02:42:25,640 --> 02:42:29,600
know if anything would have a positive impact as if they were a

2555
02:42:30,360 --> 02:42:33,240
doorboarder. Yeah I believe somebody did ask for just going to

2556
02:42:33,240 --> 02:42:37,700
quantify the number of feature of it and what that provides when

2557
02:42:37,700 --> 02:42:41,860
as a benefit so we can work well through that. And to the question

2558
02:42:41,860 --> 02:42:47,540
about further questions we may have further questions at the last meeting

2559
02:42:47,540 --> 02:42:50,260
for the engineer will he be in a tent. Yeah we've been bringing everybody

2560
02:42:50,260 --> 02:42:53,860
back to everything just to make sure we have every basis. Great thank you.

2561
02:42:55,220 --> 02:43:04,280
I guess the main question I have, I noticed on the pictures and it may be elsewhere in here.

2562
02:43:04,620 --> 02:43:10,380
The sidewalk seems to go like two-thirds of the way around. Does it go all the way around?

2563
02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:13,280
Please, there's sidewalk all the way around. It is all the way around.

2564
02:43:13,960 --> 02:43:16,280
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, with the foliage I couldn't tell.

2565
02:43:16,300 --> 02:43:17,540
Yeah, for sure.

2566
02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:19,600
Good. Thank you. That was it. Mr. Sun.

2567
02:43:21,260 --> 02:43:24,660
Just want to question about the water future. I presume you're recycling the water.

2568
02:43:24,660 --> 02:43:27,880
I'm sorry, we are, you seem we're going to be recycling that water.

2569
02:43:27,880 --> 02:43:28,100
Yes, we are.

2570
02:43:28,120 --> 02:43:28,220
Yeah.

2571
02:43:28,220 --> 02:43:30,380
I'm just not going to contribute to the call of urbanity or anything like that.

2572
02:43:30,380 --> 02:43:30,740
That's correct.

2573
02:43:31,140 --> 02:43:31,780
That's correct.

2574
02:43:31,780 --> 02:43:32,620
All right.

2575
02:43:33,100 --> 02:43:33,800
Thank you.

2576
02:43:34,320 --> 02:43:34,500
Okay.

2577
02:43:36,860 --> 02:43:37,740
Our professionals.

2578
02:43:38,180 --> 02:43:39,520
Do you have any follow up questions?

2579
02:43:40,580 --> 02:43:41,280
I do not.

2580
02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:42,480
I have a few questions.

2581
02:43:43,040 --> 02:43:44,060
Thank you.

2582
02:43:44,940 --> 02:43:45,860
Good evening, Mr. Barron.

2583
02:43:46,280 --> 02:43:46,380
Yes.

2584
02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:53,080
With regard to that sign as the chair of woman just mentioned a moment ago, it might be beneficial

2585
02:43:53,080 --> 02:43:58,060
So if you look at your last exhibit and I know the display is not on anymore, that one exhibit

2586
02:43:58,060 --> 02:44:04,080
that shows that sign, it seemed to really, it's the sign closest to 24.

2587
02:44:05,700 --> 02:44:10,200
And on that exhibit, it just seems like if we can study that sign and I know it was mentioned

2588
02:44:10,200 --> 02:44:15,220
by the report to how he engineered to take a look at that, it just seemed to me that it may

2589
02:44:15,220 --> 02:44:20,600
not be within the technical sight distance, but that to open up that view, just in case there's

2590
02:44:20,600 --> 02:44:26,680
broken down off of that off-brand, things of that nature. It might just open up that view a little bit better, but I know

2591
02:44:26,680 --> 02:44:34,480
you were trying to say with regard to another sign that I might conflict with. So if that's something that could be studied, that would be great.

2592
02:44:35,140 --> 02:44:37,440
You had mentioned you had addressed all the foresters comments?

2593
02:44:37,580 --> 02:44:39,560
We did. That's good. Thank you.

2594
02:44:40,120 --> 02:44:48,560
Also, I hope some of the things I offer and maybe offer its questions don't conflict with his comments, but I know that he has the first right to comment on these things,

2595
02:44:48,560 --> 02:44:50,760
but I myself as a landscape architect,

2596
02:44:50,760 --> 02:44:52,920
I just wanted to offer some other insights.

2597
02:44:53,540 --> 02:44:55,120
Staying on that, I guess we'll call

2598
02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:57,860
a plan, easily side or the normally side of the building.

2599
02:44:58,440 --> 02:44:59,340
I'm in that view.

2600
02:45:00,970 --> 02:45:06,390
Where the retaining wall is for the parking garage, or the wall for the parking garage, wraps around.

2601
02:45:07,110 --> 02:45:13,870
There are some plantings shown within it, it seems like the right away for route 24. Is that going to be something we viewed?

2602
02:45:14,450 --> 02:45:16,930
To make sure we have the ability to plant within that area?

2603
02:45:20,170 --> 02:45:24,610
I have to check to plan to see where the right away line is, so remind me where we did.

2604
02:45:25,190 --> 02:45:25,990
Go back one more view.

2605
02:45:27,210 --> 02:45:29,210
I appreciate seeing the perspective or the plan.

2606
02:45:29,490 --> 02:45:31,550
In that area that's being servaled now on the exhibit?

2607
02:45:31,550 --> 02:45:41,290
Okay. Oh, that's that area on Mars turn by. Right. Yeah, that's that's way down below up down the hill. That's well below the road elevation. Right, but it's within the right of way.

2608
02:45:41,450 --> 02:46:01,270
Yes, it is. That's correct. It is within your right away in that area. You'll be checking to make sure you put the plant thing in there. We will. Yes. That's going to be important. I think it's a good idea to put planting there. I appreciate what you were trying to do. Yeah. Yeah. But obviously, would make sure we can keep it there. In addition to that, where that one gap is where the magnifying glass was a moment ago.

2609
02:46:01,790 --> 02:46:09,230
That's there's a gap between the pink trees and I guess the sign location at the corner is there room in there to add a shade tree

2610
02:46:09,230 --> 02:46:17,890
You're two on that side. I'm looking at the proximity of the mass of the structure to root 24 and trying to add some canopy in that area

2611
02:46:17,890 --> 02:46:22,990
Is there space available in that area or there are other you can get sort of limit your ability?

2612
02:46:23,270 --> 02:46:29,070
We'll check to you, Tony's, but I think there is area in there. We can add a few more shade trees in that area. Thank you. If you prefer

2613
02:46:29,630 --> 02:46:36,210
Just to help with that side of the elevation, and it also correlates to the, I think you

2614
02:46:36,210 --> 02:46:42,170
called it an intensive green roof, which is just the trays of green roof that you have on the,

2615
02:46:42,170 --> 02:46:43,050
that's the objective.

2616
02:46:43,090 --> 02:46:43,530
That's the objective.

2617
02:46:43,650 --> 02:46:44,250
It's the trays.

2618
02:46:45,010 --> 02:46:45,250
Excuse me.

2619
02:46:45,590 --> 02:46:46,830
It was, it was, it was get that mixed up.

2620
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:53,070
On that side of the building, is there an opportunity with that space to add some possible

2621
02:46:53,070 --> 02:47:03,410
planters with trees or with larger shrubs in there to offer some greenery to break up that facade of the building on that side because of the green roof area

2622
02:47:03,410 --> 02:47:06,830
That's in that area. Is that something that the applicant might be willing to look at?

2623
02:47:06,950 --> 02:47:11,850
We'll talk to them. The difficulty with that is maintenance from maintenance perspective because it's not easy

2624
02:47:11,850 --> 02:47:18,630
Access to that area because it is all because of privacy. That's right for the correct work. Let's see them trade kind of thing

2625
02:47:18,630 --> 02:47:23,010
really don't worry about it has it takes on a life of its own. But if we were to have trees and

2626
02:47:23,010 --> 02:47:27,370
planters, they would need to be maintained. Okay. There's it just seems like an opportunity to

2627
02:47:27,370 --> 02:47:33,250
do something on that side of the building. I just offer that for you. Going down River Road,

2628
02:47:33,270 --> 02:47:37,630
sort of an counterclockwise direction down towards the Evergreen trees that are proposed to

2629
02:47:37,630 --> 02:47:42,790
screen the transformer area. Yes. You have the gap in the sawed area, not at the entrance drive,

2630
02:47:42,990 --> 02:47:47,750
but before the entrance drive right there is there an opportunity to put another shade tree in

2631
02:47:47,750 --> 02:47:54,410
area what I'm looking at is I know what you originally had as your design for the mass of larger

2632
02:47:54,410 --> 02:47:59,250
canopy trees and then you've added the evergreen trees in there which I appreciate and

2633
02:47:59,250 --> 02:48:05,070
understand why you've done so but in those gaps just because of the size of the structure

2634
02:48:05,070 --> 02:48:11,170
I'm trying to maximize the area for the shade trees as much as possible. It looks like one or two

2635
02:48:11,170 --> 02:48:15,850
could be located in that area. We can always add more shade trees I just didn't want to

2636
02:48:15,850 --> 02:48:16,790
Be it too many.

2637
02:48:17,330 --> 02:48:18,230
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2638
02:48:18,230 --> 02:48:19,210
Save themselves out.

2639
02:48:19,290 --> 02:48:19,530
Yes.

2640
02:48:20,410 --> 02:48:26,710
Notice that you didn't actually use a large canopy size for the actual trees themselves, even

2641
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:31,470
though you're planting them at four to four and a half inch caliber, which is a on the upper

2642
02:48:31,470 --> 02:48:35,210
and the largest size you can probably get from a nursery, a standard nursery.

2643
02:48:35,490 --> 02:48:40,190
So I do appreciate your planting larger trees that normally, typically we see two and a half

2644
02:48:40,190 --> 02:48:40,890
inch caliber.

2645
02:48:41,090 --> 02:48:41,310
Yeah.

2646
02:48:41,410 --> 02:48:43,790
There are four and a half inch caliber, which I appreciate.

2647
02:48:43,790 --> 02:48:49,590
And then the evergreen trees there I know you mentioned sixty eight, but I believe everything starts at ten to twelve.

2648
02:48:49,970 --> 02:48:54,510
Yeah, no, I didn't mention sixty eight. I said ten to twelve twelve to fourteen, even if it's fourteen to sixteen.

2649
02:48:54,970 --> 02:49:02,850
You may have said sixty eight, but that's I just wanted to say if I did. I didn't mean to say eight to ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten.

2650
02:49:02,990 --> 02:49:07,430
Eight to ten. And I just wanted to make sure the public knew that you're actually playing some larger trees.

2651
02:49:07,430 --> 02:49:12,830
large bit of a treat that helps with the buffering okay let me see just

2652
02:49:12,830 --> 02:49:19,330
continuing on towards the sign in the crosswalk area looking at the entrance and

2653
02:49:19,330 --> 02:49:23,710
the site distance triangle it looks like the two kind of be trees on the

2654
02:49:23,710 --> 02:49:29,770
plant based on the side of the entrance drive those two trees it looks like if you

2655
02:49:29,770 --> 02:49:35,150
can move them towards the right hand side or towards the back just to get them

2656
02:49:35,150 --> 02:49:39,410
of that site distance triangle. We can know you can see under kind of, you can see on it.

2657
02:49:39,470 --> 02:49:42,210
That's right. The trunk over time sometimes blocks the view.

2658
02:49:42,290 --> 02:49:44,470
But there's room to shift them. It looks like you have room to shift.

2659
02:49:44,950 --> 02:49:46,050
Yes, there is. That'll be helpful.

2660
02:49:46,090 --> 02:49:51,930
Also, honestly it looks narrower than in the plan for the fire truck turn. I don't know if it is,

2661
02:49:52,130 --> 02:49:56,590
but it looks like it is. So, yeah, I think that's a good suggestion to move back a little.

2662
02:49:56,690 --> 02:50:02,950
We're happy to shift those. Thank you. Now further down towards the west, if you keep going down

2663
02:50:02,950 --> 02:50:06,030
of a road, the planting there all seems to make sense.

2664
02:50:06,250 --> 02:50:10,810
The upper area next to the drop-off and pick-up location, where you have the three pink

2665
02:50:10,810 --> 02:50:15,850
trees shown, they're in planters, I understand, that's on top of the roof structure for the

2666
02:50:15,850 --> 02:50:15,950
cross.

2667
02:50:15,950 --> 02:50:16,370
That's correct.

2668
02:50:17,010 --> 02:50:17,230
Yes.

2669
02:50:17,870 --> 02:50:21,890
There's also landscaping to the right at that island.

2670
02:50:22,390 --> 02:50:24,630
I was trying to get a tree or two in there.

2671
02:50:24,770 --> 02:50:29,250
My effort here is that that's one of the first corners you're going to see of the building

2672
02:50:29,250 --> 02:50:30,770
as you're coming down wherever road.

2673
02:50:30,770 --> 02:50:38,430
Is there an ability to add at least some more of the trees and planters at that entrance area on that island?

2674
02:50:38,950 --> 02:50:46,970
Yeah, I thought how do I describe this at the closest location to the ramp that's going up to that upper drop off area?

2675
02:50:46,990 --> 02:50:50,110
You see where it's that light green area?

2676
02:50:50,310 --> 02:50:50,670
I apologize.

2677
02:50:50,950 --> 02:50:52,470
I should approach the screen.

2678
02:50:54,920 --> 02:50:55,960
Thank you.

2679
02:50:56,000 --> 02:50:56,680
In this area?

2680
02:50:56,920 --> 02:50:57,420
In that area?

2681
02:50:58,400 --> 02:50:59,860
I know that's on top of the roof structure.

2682
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:01,060
I'm not sure if that's on the ground.

2683
02:51:01,320 --> 02:51:02,040
That's on the ground.

2684
02:51:02,040 --> 02:51:06,540
We're not, but if you can take a look at that, see if there's an opportunity there.

2685
02:51:07,400 --> 02:51:12,020
Sure. Looking at the planting along the front edge of the wall and I appreciate what you're

2686
02:51:12,020 --> 02:51:17,480
proposing and I understand the plant materials, all native grasses and shrub material.

2687
02:51:18,100 --> 02:51:23,080
Can you look at areas where we could have some pockets of evergreen shrubs?

2688
02:51:23,740 --> 02:51:29,320
The idea is that a lot of the planting here is all deciduous, mostly deciduous along that wall.

2689
02:51:29,320 --> 02:51:34,300
I know you're doing large masses of high-drangier and things of that nature in that area.

2690
02:51:35,240 --> 02:51:37,900
Is there an opportunity to help with the winter interest?

2691
02:51:38,300 --> 02:51:42,220
I think that's something that the Board had mentioned, the seasonal interest of the streets.

2692
02:51:42,380 --> 02:51:43,300
We can certainly do that.

2693
02:51:44,000 --> 02:51:44,540
Thank you.

2694
02:51:44,700 --> 02:51:51,280
Mr. Warner, I'm envisioning a condition that the landscape plan will be subject to the review of an approval of Mr. Snanket.

2695
02:51:51,280 --> 02:51:53,200
Yeah, that's the best.

2696
02:51:53,540 --> 02:51:54,120
At some point.

2697
02:51:54,880 --> 02:51:55,560
That's our job.

2698
02:51:55,760 --> 02:51:57,180
We don't have a chance to offer any comments.

2699
02:51:57,440 --> 02:51:58,320
That's good.

2700
02:51:58,320 --> 02:51:58,400
That's good.

2701
02:51:58,400 --> 02:52:00,180
It's not a perimeter of the site.

2702
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:02,500
That's good.

2703
02:52:02,540 --> 02:52:03,400
And actually, I can't.

2704
02:52:03,400 --> 02:52:04,520
And everywhere else.

2705
02:52:04,780 --> 02:52:06,240
I think almost done.

2706
02:52:06,800 --> 02:52:07,680
I'm just kidding.

2707
02:52:07,980 --> 02:52:09,060
No, I appreciate that.

2708
02:52:09,200 --> 02:52:11,480
We often talk this way to each other.

2709
02:52:12,220 --> 02:52:13,000
I appreciate that.

2710
02:52:14,900 --> 02:52:16,600
We talked about the existing vegetation

2711
02:52:16,600 --> 02:52:18,200
to remain on the long river road.

2712
02:52:18,280 --> 02:52:20,540
I know you're going to be doing selective removal of the trees

2713
02:52:20,540 --> 02:52:28,040
area obviously with the supervision of the city forester in the J.A.F.K.

2714
02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:29,820
Right, a long J.F.K. Thank you.

2715
02:52:40,330 --> 02:53:01,770
We're guarding the sign itself. I notice you do the horizontal signs on the monument signs themselves. Then we have the main identifier at the main entrance. It's a vertical element. Do you feel that's an appropriate configuration at that location compared to a horizontal monument sign?

2716
02:53:01,770 --> 02:53:07,210
I'm looking at the verticality of the building on that view and you showed some perspectives which were very

2717
02:53:07,210 --> 02:53:09,590
helpful in visualizing what was happening.

2718
02:53:10,850 --> 02:53:15,230
Just in comparison, your professional opinions, landscape architect, the benefit of the

2719
02:53:15,230 --> 02:53:16,690
vertical compared to a horizontal side.

2720
02:53:16,770 --> 02:53:17,050
Yeah.

2721
02:53:17,090 --> 02:53:21,370
In that case, I think the vertical is hopefully because of the dimension that we have to work with.

2722
02:53:22,110 --> 02:53:24,070
We like it to be a two-sided sign.

2723
02:53:24,470 --> 02:53:25,190
It's an our area.

2724
02:53:25,350 --> 02:53:30,630
In fact, we do sit by widening the driveway for the loading zone.

2725
02:53:31,090 --> 02:53:31,150
Right.

2726
02:53:32,030 --> 02:53:34,390
So I think the vertical side in that case is appropriate.

2727
02:53:34,570 --> 02:53:37,290
I guess the vertical side helps to identify the main entrance.

2728
02:53:37,670 --> 02:53:37,810
Yes.

2729
02:53:37,990 --> 02:53:38,450
That's right.

2730
02:53:38,450 --> 02:53:39,350
That's right.

2731
02:53:44,370 --> 02:53:46,830
In the interior of the outdoor space, I'm sorry.

2732
02:53:47,610 --> 02:53:50,170
The outdoor spaces that are on top of the garage area.

2733
02:53:50,890 --> 02:53:51,970
Next to the pool.

2734
02:53:52,470 --> 02:53:54,630
I think you had mentioned there'll be some bananas.

2735
02:53:54,930 --> 02:53:57,130
Will they reshade structures there as well?

2736
02:53:57,530 --> 02:53:57,570
Yes.

2737
02:53:57,770 --> 02:54:00,150
The bananas will have, the bananas are shaded.

2738
02:54:00,650 --> 02:54:01,710
They are shaded structure.

2739
02:54:02,590 --> 02:54:04,290
So there is shade provided in that area.

2740
02:54:04,290 --> 02:54:06,450
Thank you very much, that's all the questions, I agree.

2741
02:54:06,710 --> 02:54:07,430
Thank you very much.

2742
02:54:07,710 --> 02:54:07,870
Thank you.

2743
02:54:08,870 --> 02:54:09,250
Okay.

2744
02:54:10,250 --> 02:54:13,250
So do we have any questions from the public?

2745
02:54:16,600 --> 02:54:17,040
Hi.

2746
02:54:17,400 --> 02:54:17,740
How are you?

2747
02:54:18,120 --> 02:54:20,360
Lady Seagar's 60 Canoeberg Parkway.

2748
02:54:21,780 --> 02:54:24,560
So several questions that came up when you were speaking.

2749
02:54:24,760 --> 02:54:25,120
Thank you.

2750
02:54:25,300 --> 02:54:26,620
I was going to move through them slowly.

2751
02:54:28,140 --> 02:54:28,580
Yep.

2752
02:54:28,580 --> 02:54:30,520
One has to do with water usage.

2753
02:54:31,460 --> 02:54:32,320
So there's your photographer.

2754
02:54:32,960 --> 02:54:34,160
I just asked him to speak in the morning.

2755
02:54:34,400 --> 02:54:34,640
Okay.

2756
02:54:34,640 --> 02:54:41,040
When has to do with water usage and I think you would mention last time that the building was based on

2757
02:54:41,040 --> 02:54:46,760
190 units and that would increase the water usage by about 6,000 gallons per day.

2758
02:54:48,400 --> 02:54:55,020
When coming up with that number did you take into consideration that impacts of the pool,

2759
02:54:55,200 --> 02:54:56,920
not sure how many gallons the pool is.

2760
02:54:57,040 --> 02:55:00,920
So the pool on that gallons per day, even though it's three months out of the year,

2761
02:55:02,400 --> 02:55:08,760
The need for watering these plants, how much water that perhaps will take in gallons per day

2762
02:55:08,760 --> 02:55:11,940
and the water attraction, how much that will take in gallons per day.

2763
02:55:12,440 --> 02:55:17,100
And I'm asking this because as I mentioned last time, our neighborhood has about one water

2764
02:55:17,100 --> 02:55:24,440
main break a month and so it's important to us to understand how much water will be used by this

2765
02:55:24,440 --> 02:55:25,100
new building.

2766
02:55:29,780 --> 02:55:42,380
I know this was more in the civil engineering testimony, but since the last meeting we can make sure your engine has this week in firms that our building will be on a separate borderline than your properties.

2767
02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:49,400
So anything that we're doing water laws will not impact the residential area.

2768
02:55:49,960 --> 02:55:51,520
So it's a completely separate borderline.

2769
02:55:51,680 --> 02:55:54,560
Okay, so is that in rating somewhere that we can see an access?

2770
02:55:54,600 --> 02:55:55,760
We can provide that.

2771
02:55:55,800 --> 02:55:56,340
Okay, thank you.

2772
02:55:57,780 --> 02:56:03,560
And then some additional questions will trees be more like through the buffer sound, currently

2773
02:56:03,560 --> 02:56:09,760
have already begun construction on the site and the noise is extremely loud at times that

2774
02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:14,380
quite frankly is not supposed to be. So how does the how does the trees and the landscape

2775
02:56:14,380 --> 02:56:19,540
been worked to buffer the sound coming out of the building? Well the trees will be planted after

2776
02:56:19,540 --> 02:56:23,920
construction. Yeah, but I'm saying once people are in the building and there's garbage

2777
02:56:23,920 --> 02:56:29,840
chalk, then move or move like that. All of those items are on the resident side of the building,

2778
02:56:30,020 --> 02:56:34,460
meaning the people who live on Canoeberg Parkway and Iris Road, and how will those trees buffer

2779
02:56:34,460 --> 02:56:43,420
that sound? That would be answered by a specialist in that field of sound. That wouldn't be

2780
02:56:43,420 --> 02:56:48,500
me. In fact, I don't think trees buffer a lot of sound quite honestly. Historically, that's not the case.

2781
02:56:48,500 --> 02:56:50,900
Okay, it's more out of sight as a mind.

2782
02:56:51,460 --> 02:57:06,360
Okay, and I noticed in one of your renderings that the area on River Road had an elevated slope that came what it looked like down into River Road, which we'll go into the Muni, how would that impact storm water run off?

2783
02:57:06,620 --> 02:57:09,580
We have quite a bit of flooding in the Muni in a net neighborhood.

2784
02:57:10,980 --> 02:57:20,040
On the other hand, that would not be that would have been for Mr.ford, none of the grades on the property of change since we submitted the additional plans.

2785
02:57:20,820 --> 02:57:28,860
But I think as the chairwoman mentioned, there might be other questions on stormwater later, so we'll be here at the next meeting and there is.

2786
02:57:28,860 --> 02:57:33,080
Okay, and are you planning to keep all that signage lit on a long?

2787
02:57:33,080 --> 02:57:33,580
I

2788
02:57:36,690 --> 02:57:45,370
always get this wrong, which one's dusk and which one's gone, but it would be on, I guess when it gets dark out so.

2789
02:57:45,450 --> 02:57:52,270
So all night, that sign would be lit, so potentially you could see it from your backyard, or your second bedroom window.

2790
02:57:52,610 --> 02:57:55,570
I think I can find out the exact time, so I believe that's what it would be.

2791
02:57:55,910 --> 02:57:57,870
Okay, so be lit at night, just to clarify.

2792
02:57:58,510 --> 02:58:00,890
Yeah, the sign would be lit at night, but just great.

2793
02:58:01,450 --> 02:58:15,070
And then you'd also mention that the reason the, sorry, not the generators, the transformers were put on the side of the building that they were chosen is because they're the least offensive in that space. Is that correct?

2794
02:58:16,650 --> 02:58:23,610
To my knowledge, that's the best location for it. Again, I would ask the architect that maybe related to the availability.

2795
02:58:23,610 --> 02:58:24,210
Okay.

2796
02:58:24,210 --> 02:58:24,350
Okay.

2797
02:58:24,470 --> 02:58:25,810
If you tell us within the building.

2798
02:58:25,890 --> 02:58:26,030
Yeah.

2799
02:58:26,030 --> 02:58:27,490
I believe the wording was least offensive.

2800
02:58:28,570 --> 02:58:33,050
And I just am wondering least offensive to whom, because that is the side of the

2801
02:58:33,050 --> 02:58:35,230
apartment building where we all live.

2802
02:58:36,030 --> 02:58:37,610
And that's why it is buffered with landscape.

2803
02:58:38,770 --> 02:58:38,890
Okay.

2804
02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:44,970
And do you know the sound that a transformer puts off if any or anything like that?

2805
02:58:45,350 --> 02:58:45,650
I don't know.

2806
02:58:45,710 --> 02:58:50,530
But if it's regulated, we would have to comply with any regulations that would govern that

2807
02:58:53,170 --> 02:58:56,970
I think I had one more question,

2808
02:58:59,940 --> 02:59:05,140
would you consider a different lighting plan, if those

2809
02:59:05,140 --> 02:59:10,120
lights were able to be seen from people's windows, maybe certain, maybe the ones facing

2810
02:59:10,120 --> 02:59:15,780
the people who live on canoe brok, those lights are not kept on all night or, I'm sorry,

2811
02:59:15,940 --> 02:59:21,920
it's one of my trip which lights used on the side of River Road, you have a huge sign that

2812
02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:24,940
that's as banderly, and that will be lit all night long.

2813
02:59:25,060 --> 02:59:27,020
You can recite the signs, the sign lighting.

2814
02:59:28,160 --> 02:59:28,300
Okay.

2815
02:59:28,460 --> 02:59:29,480
Very soft light.

2816
02:59:29,940 --> 02:59:30,360
Very soft.

2817
02:59:30,680 --> 02:59:30,920
Yeah.

2818
02:59:31,040 --> 02:59:32,180
If you don't live across the street.

2819
02:59:33,440 --> 02:59:33,540
Okay.

2820
02:59:34,180 --> 02:59:35,900
I'm not trying to not answer your question,

2821
02:59:36,060 --> 02:59:37,800
but that's really something I would have to ask the client.

2822
02:59:38,320 --> 02:59:39,080
I don't know the answers.

2823
02:59:39,320 --> 02:59:40,260
I'll just find that out.

2824
02:59:40,600 --> 02:59:40,720
Okay.

2825
02:59:41,360 --> 02:59:42,140
All right.

2826
02:59:42,360 --> 02:59:43,260
And then can I ask a chat?

2827
02:59:43,400 --> 02:59:44,340
It's question or no?

2828
02:59:46,280 --> 02:59:47,180
It's okay if not.

2829
02:59:47,780 --> 02:59:48,180
Okay.

2830
02:59:48,460 --> 02:59:48,860
That's my question.

2831
02:59:48,860 --> 02:59:49,200
Go ahead.

2832
02:59:49,520 --> 02:59:49,900
Go ahead.

2833
02:59:49,900 --> 02:59:53,540
And it's supposed to be for this person, is this still here?

2834
02:59:53,780 --> 02:59:54,320
And it's not.

2835
02:59:54,400 --> 02:59:55,240
You're hitting going around.

2836
02:59:57,240 --> 02:59:59,040
Well, I guess this is, I don't know if this is a question

2837
02:59:59,040 --> 02:59:59,920
for perhaps another.

2838
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,260
But in the event that the building were to be sold, what would happen to the shuttle, that takes people.

2839
03:00:08,760 --> 03:00:11,440
You know what? That's a really good question actually.

2840
03:00:12,280 --> 03:00:18,280
I think if it's a condition of the approval, and I believe it was in our settlement agreement as well, that it would

2841
03:00:18,280 --> 03:00:23,280
rupture the land, the condition that was run with the land, and if somebody did buy it, I don't think this

2842
03:00:23,280 --> 03:00:28,060
developers actually, they hold most of their properties. I don't even know where after they sell any.

2843
03:00:28,060 --> 03:00:30,340
But they do sell some, I think.

2844
03:00:30,740 --> 03:00:32,240
But it's a good question.

2845
03:00:32,680 --> 03:00:34,260
And I would say it would probably run with the approval.

2846
03:00:34,700 --> 03:00:34,900
Okay.

2847
03:00:35,060 --> 03:00:35,920
That would be my answer.

2848
03:00:36,360 --> 03:00:42,300
With the applicant, the willing with respects to some of not all in the court,

2849
03:00:43,040 --> 03:00:50,960
can decide to have the conditions of the approval set forth in a

2850
03:00:50,960 --> 03:00:54,000
deed restriction recorded in the county clerk's office.

2851
03:00:54,520 --> 03:00:57,980
So it would put any subsequent purchaser or success or an

2852
03:00:59,620 --> 03:01:08,380
on actual notice of what those conditions are, including, but not limited to the condition that this...

2853
03:01:08,380 --> 03:01:10,160
I have never the public just stated.

2854
03:01:10,980 --> 03:01:12,540
I'd have to ask the client that question.

2855
03:01:12,740 --> 03:01:17,960
My only concern with that, and it's not that it's not to be bound by the conditions because we are,

2856
03:01:18,660 --> 03:01:22,580
is that I know there's a case in law about if you make it a deed restriction,

2857
03:01:23,020 --> 03:01:25,600
then not only if you have to modify something in the future,

2858
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:29,220
not only do you have to come back to the board, but I think you have to file a quiet title

2859
03:01:29,220 --> 03:01:36,680
action. Also, I think that's the suit service that in no case. So it's maybe there's

2860
03:01:36,680 --> 03:01:43,720
a way or in the alternative, uh, a recordation of the resolution itself. Yeah, that's what I think.

2861
03:01:43,880 --> 03:01:47,600
Not indeed. Right. That's what I'm thinking. Something where it's entitled, but I have, again,

2862
03:01:47,940 --> 03:01:51,640
I can't make that decision. I'd have to ask the client if they would, if that's something

2863
03:01:51,640 --> 03:01:54,220
I'm going to add it to the list of questions.

2864
03:01:54,840 --> 03:01:55,200
Thank you.

2865
03:01:55,640 --> 03:01:56,560
Thank you.

2866
03:01:56,580 --> 03:01:59,000
Thank you.

2867
03:01:59,360 --> 03:02:00,300
Welcome back.

2868
03:02:00,800 --> 03:02:01,560
Hi, Carly Moby.

2869
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:02,680
That's seven iris.

2870
03:02:03,240 --> 03:02:04,380
Just a quick question this time.

2871
03:02:04,380 --> 03:02:12,600
I'm actually just to follow up to Ms. Bowen's suggestion for lighting and visibility rendering,

2872
03:02:12,700 --> 03:02:13,740
which is a great suggestion.

2873
03:02:14,840 --> 03:02:15,900
I just want to be clear.

2874
03:02:16,160 --> 03:02:21,160
I don't want anyone to dismiss how visible this is across the golf course.

2875
03:02:21,160 --> 03:02:31,320
for noise and for lighting, my question would be the asks would be that for any follow-ups regarding

2876
03:02:31,320 --> 03:02:45,820
lighting or visibility, it be conducted in fairness during fall or winter and adjustments we made after that when there's no leaves on the trees, which is most of you, so that would be nice, that's a good say that.

2877
03:02:45,820 --> 03:02:46,360
Thanks, Carl.

2878
03:02:48,240 --> 03:02:52,800
And is that something the applicant would stipulate to that any post for the light?

2879
03:02:52,940 --> 03:02:59,800
Instruction and occupancy, lighting test would be done during the fall or winter months?

2880
03:03:00,280 --> 03:03:00,800
Yeah, I don't think so.

2881
03:03:00,880 --> 03:03:01,120
That's

2882
03:03:12,160 --> 03:03:12,380
fine.

2883
03:03:20,580 --> 03:03:21,960
I'm going to explain this later.

2884
03:03:24,570 --> 03:03:25,090
Welcome back.

2885
03:03:25,130 --> 03:03:27,430
Hi, down north in the 20 plane street.

2886
03:03:28,910 --> 03:03:30,530
Your renderings are beautiful.

2887
03:03:31,230 --> 03:03:34,910
Except, unfortunately, your television renderings do not show the second driveway.

2888
03:03:34,910 --> 03:03:41,430
So I don't know if you're landscaping, schematics, will meet what you're showing us.

2889
03:03:41,610 --> 03:03:42,710
They do show the second job.

2890
03:03:42,830 --> 03:03:47,130
If you go to the, I guess it's still east side of the third project.

2891
03:03:48,130 --> 03:03:50,250
There's no second drive way down.

2892
03:03:50,510 --> 03:03:51,510
You can have to make a bigger.

2893
03:03:52,110 --> 03:03:52,850
Oh, in the elevation?

2894
03:03:53,550 --> 03:03:53,950
That's it.

2895
03:03:54,090 --> 03:03:55,310
So there's no elevation.

2896
03:03:55,590 --> 03:03:56,030
That's flat.

2897
03:03:58,440 --> 03:03:58,560
Right?

2898
03:03:58,600 --> 03:03:59,840
The driveway was up.

2899
03:04:04,620 --> 03:04:05,500
The view is also there.

2900
03:04:05,760 --> 03:04:07,100
The driveway has an elevation building.

2901
03:04:07,800 --> 03:04:08,840
There's, there's a low point.

2902
03:04:09,300 --> 03:04:11,820
I'm not in your city or there's a little point in the river.

2903
03:04:11,820 --> 03:04:12,900
That's the right way.

2904
03:04:13,200 --> 03:04:13,940
Yeah, let's come up here.

2905
03:04:15,040 --> 03:04:18,520
So there's no elevation change from that point of the dryway to the secondary dryway.

2906
03:04:20,280 --> 03:04:21,900
There's a, I know there's.

2907
03:04:21,920 --> 03:04:23,080
Can you go back to the side?

2908
03:04:23,640 --> 03:04:24,380
To back to the side?

2909
03:04:24,540 --> 03:04:25,080
To back to the side.

2910
03:04:25,180 --> 03:04:25,420
Yeah.

2911
03:04:27,760 --> 03:04:29,880
So how did you, in the large area?

2912
03:04:30,760 --> 03:04:30,880
Yeah.

2913
03:04:30,880 --> 03:04:35,300
So is there elevation change from the main dryway to that one?

2914
03:04:35,440 --> 03:04:35,580
Sure.

2915
03:04:35,980 --> 03:04:36,160
Sure.

2916
03:04:36,320 --> 03:04:39,200
This is good river roads going uphill and this is also going uphill.

2917
03:04:39,200 --> 03:04:43,100
So in this rendering the driveways there,

2918
03:04:43,460 --> 03:04:47,300
if you go to other elevations of that side,

2919
03:04:47,400 --> 03:04:49,460
with the exception of the one you just showed in this flat,

2920
03:04:49,960 --> 03:04:53,780
there's no depiction of that driveway in the landscaping around it,

2921
03:04:53,800 --> 03:04:54,980
other than this.

2922
03:04:55,660 --> 03:04:58,600
So you have shown elevation in this particular drawing.

2923
03:04:58,780 --> 03:05:00,760
So I don't know how accurate your drawing is going to be,

2924
03:05:00,960 --> 03:05:04,180
or your final problem is going to be as far,

2925
03:05:04,520 --> 03:05:06,600
also as long as you run this picture,

2926
03:05:06,600 --> 03:05:11,800
And that little red part is there, and that pink dot, what is that?

2927
03:05:11,880 --> 03:05:12,940
That's a flowering tree.

2928
03:05:13,300 --> 03:05:14,300
So that's planted there.

2929
03:05:14,440 --> 03:05:14,920
That's right.

2930
03:05:15,160 --> 03:05:16,300
Is that a drivable curb?

2931
03:05:16,540 --> 03:05:17,820
Can you drive over the curb there?

2932
03:05:18,080 --> 03:05:18,740
Over this curb?

2933
03:05:19,140 --> 03:05:19,340
Yeah.

2934
03:05:19,780 --> 03:05:20,080
I'm not.

2935
03:05:20,340 --> 03:05:22,660
So I'm going to have to disperse.

2936
03:05:22,720 --> 03:05:23,820
Raise plantars.

2937
03:05:24,240 --> 03:05:25,360
You will drive this direction.

2938
03:05:25,800 --> 03:05:28,600
So I'm going to have to disperse with a traffic expert.

2939
03:05:29,220 --> 03:05:31,980
That a fire apparatus is going to make that turn.

2940
03:05:34,490 --> 03:05:36,470
I mean, he's always there a way to remove that tree.

2941
03:05:36,470 --> 03:05:41,410
I know you spoke for the experts and you said that they discussed the four hours just turn what was the result

2942
03:05:41,410 --> 03:05:43,010
So that again

2943
03:05:43,010 --> 03:05:46,930
You said to try to get for a city you can make this turn into the front of the building

2944
03:05:47,970 --> 03:05:52,390
So if you know if we know the width of the drive one there, we don't believe it's 24 feet

2945
03:05:53,850 --> 03:05:54,250
24

2946
03:05:55,590 --> 03:05:56,870
How long a lot of it?

2947
03:05:57,830 --> 03:05:58,230
Yeah,

2948
03:06:01,330 --> 03:06:04,210
Craig just come back and just answer that question. So that

2949
03:06:04,210 --> 03:06:06,370
Tom shouldn't be the one that answers that question.

2950
03:06:06,370 --> 03:06:06,890
I agree.

2951
03:06:07,390 --> 03:06:09,910
Greg, can you just answer that question?

2952
03:06:10,070 --> 03:06:14,130
Do you have any issue with the truck circulating with the planting?

2953
03:06:14,530 --> 03:06:15,390
Is the way that they're situated?

2954
03:06:15,950 --> 03:06:19,010
No, we should be exhibit earlier with the fire truck.

2955
03:06:19,010 --> 03:06:19,890
We'll make you it in.

2956
03:06:20,030 --> 03:06:22,030
And that incorporates the plantings.

2957
03:06:22,650 --> 03:06:24,410
Plandings are not in the road, so yeah.

2958
03:06:24,890 --> 03:06:26,830
So is there any, would there be any concern?

2959
03:06:26,950 --> 03:06:27,650
I'm just asking.

2960
03:06:28,150 --> 03:06:30,950
Guys, I'm not at the expert in this whole thing, but it's a nice suggestion.

2961
03:06:31,050 --> 03:06:32,190
We're just trying to answer your question.

2962
03:06:32,190 --> 03:06:36,190
Would there be any consideration to maybe have an a drivable curve?

2963
03:06:37,090 --> 03:06:38,410
Craig, is there anything for that?

2964
03:06:38,570 --> 03:06:39,870
Based on what you've felt that?

2965
03:06:41,990 --> 03:06:43,630
On JFK Parkway.

2966
03:06:44,810 --> 03:06:47,210
We talked about the elevation of the heights of the trees.

2967
03:06:48,310 --> 03:06:49,150
Perfect trees.

2968
03:06:51,950 --> 03:06:52,150
Yes.

2969
03:06:53,070 --> 03:06:56,610
The corner of the building, the touches, the trees there,

2970
03:06:56,770 --> 03:06:59,110
kind of where it says, no the other end.

2971
03:06:59,370 --> 03:06:59,890
Right there?

2972
03:07:00,870 --> 03:07:03,010
What's anticipated to be planted there?

2973
03:07:03,130 --> 03:07:03,590
Nothing.

2974
03:07:03,950 --> 03:07:04,950
That's existing vegetation.

2975
03:07:05,430 --> 03:07:06,430
How high is that now?

2976
03:07:06,990 --> 03:07:08,790
About 30, 40, 50 feet.

2977
03:07:11,130 --> 03:07:12,230
I think we know the answer to the question.

2978
03:07:12,510 --> 03:07:13,410
I thank you.

2979
03:07:13,470 --> 03:07:14,270
Thank you.

2980
03:07:15,090 --> 03:07:15,310
Okay.

2981
03:07:18,110 --> 03:07:21,390
I think we need to stop because we're well beyond 10, 30.

2982
03:07:21,570 --> 03:07:22,630
Thank you very much.

2983
03:07:23,030 --> 03:07:23,250
Thank you.

2984
03:07:23,470 --> 03:07:26,550
Do you want to confirm that there's no further questions for this particular week?

2985
03:07:26,650 --> 03:07:28,510
Does not look like there are any further questions.

2986
03:07:28,890 --> 03:07:29,970
So then we can close this question.

2987
03:07:35,480 --> 03:07:37,720
Okay. No, that's fine. I just want to...

2988
03:07:37,720 --> 03:07:44,960
We have a resolution. That's okay. I just want to, I guess, two things before we leave. One will be the new date, which we have to establish.

2989
03:07:45,780 --> 03:07:51,620
The other, though, is on this traffic, you know, update that you're asking us to do.

2990
03:07:52,260 --> 03:07:57,420
So again, I'm going to say something that's not very popular, but it's a permitted use.

2991
03:07:57,420 --> 03:08:03,140
off-site traffic is not something for the board to consider. We went above and beyond doing these

2992
03:08:03,140 --> 03:08:08,740
additional studies, we would have had to do them, we did the for the county for the DOT and for the

2993
03:08:08,740 --> 03:08:17,100
city, and they did not reveal any significant impact in the New Jason area. But if the board still

2994
03:08:17,100 --> 03:08:24,360
wants us to verify some of these items, whether it's the school traffic time or count again we will,

2995
03:08:24,360 --> 03:08:36,560
But I want to do it at a time when everybody feels it's appropriate, so I want to actually look at the calendar and I want to pick a date where we're not coming back and somebody says, well, we're not comfortable with the date that you chose.

2996
03:08:37,040 --> 03:08:51,580
So school is starting in two weeks. I have two high school kids myself, so I know. So my understanding is that summit schools will start right after Labor Day or maybe there's some half days there.

2997
03:08:51,580 --> 03:08:59,960
So if we count it, if we counted the week of September 14th, which is schools are already going their full days,

2998
03:09:01,380 --> 03:09:06,360
I will make sure there's no, I will also make sure there's no Jewish holidays, though.

2999
03:09:07,060 --> 03:09:08,640
I'll check when Russia is trying to own a young kipper.

3000
03:09:09,680 --> 03:09:11,320
I will check that.

3001
03:09:11,660 --> 03:09:15,440
But assuming that there's no Jewish holidays and that those are just regular days,

3002
03:09:16,000 --> 03:09:18,640
is everybody comfortable with us counting those days?

3003
03:09:18,640 --> 03:09:20,360
Like everybody comfortable?

3004
03:09:21,040 --> 03:09:26,140
Obviously, it is weather conditions for permitting, I understand that.

3005
03:09:26,220 --> 03:09:26,340
Yeah.

3006
03:09:26,940 --> 03:09:28,800
That sounds good to me.

3007
03:09:34,380 --> 03:09:35,340
I'm asking the board.

3008
03:09:36,820 --> 03:09:37,300
I'm asking the board.

3009
03:09:37,300 --> 03:09:37,720
I'm asking the board.

3010
03:09:40,120 --> 03:09:41,360
Is the best one?

3011
03:09:41,640 --> 03:09:42,280
I'm not a hot one.

3012
03:09:42,980 --> 03:09:43,040
Yep.

3013
03:09:45,260 --> 03:09:48,240
There are flexible as far as as long as we can get it.

3014
03:09:48,300 --> 03:09:50,140
You know, with a little bit of notice before the next meeting.

3015
03:09:50,600 --> 03:09:50,780
Yeah.

3016
03:09:50,780 --> 03:09:56,880
No, I want to make sure that it's submitted so that your professionals can review it and then in the meantime

3017
03:09:56,880 --> 03:10:04,180
We'll also meet with the board engineer and the police hopefully to work on those crosswalk and also the pedestrian connection issues

3018
03:10:04,180 --> 03:10:09,560
Yes, that's really important. Okay, and I have the other notes, but I won't go through them all because they'll take too much time

3019
03:10:09,560 --> 03:10:11,980
Okay, well, thank you

3020
03:10:11,980 --> 03:10:15,800
What a date. Oh, yeah, the date. Yeah, so once you're next meeting

3021
03:10:21,860 --> 03:10:22,740
Is it in the 20?

3022
03:10:24,660 --> 03:10:25,060
Yeah.

3023
03:10:27,200 --> 03:10:28,460
We don't have a lot of money.

3024
03:10:28,720 --> 03:10:29,020
We don't have a lot of money.

3025
03:10:29,020 --> 03:10:30,140
We don't have a lot of money.

3026
03:10:30,140 --> 03:10:30,420
We don't have a lot of money.

3027
03:10:30,820 --> 03:10:31,500
Is it really 20?

3028
03:10:31,840 --> 03:10:32,100
Oh, it's 10.

3029
03:10:33,180 --> 03:10:34,500
You should come from this.

3030
03:10:36,260 --> 03:10:36,660
Yeah.

3031
03:10:36,900 --> 03:10:37,080
That's right.

3032
03:10:37,080 --> 03:10:38,420
I can come from the month.

3033
03:10:38,660 --> 03:10:38,860
Yes.

3034
03:10:39,540 --> 03:10:40,340
September 28.

3035
03:10:40,940 --> 03:10:41,020
Yeah.

3036
03:10:41,020 --> 03:10:41,120
Yeah.

3037
03:10:41,120 --> 03:10:42,020
We'll make the announcement.

3038
03:10:42,240 --> 03:10:42,740
I'm just checking.

3039
03:10:43,440 --> 03:10:44,680
Because we talked about Jewish holidays.

3040
03:10:44,780 --> 03:10:46,200
I'm just checking to make sure.

3041
03:10:46,520 --> 03:10:47,060
No, we're good.

3042
03:10:47,460 --> 03:10:47,480
Okay.

3043
03:10:52,100 --> 03:10:58,340
And we'll give an extension of time a little further so we'll tie it on that night.

3044
03:10:59,140 --> 03:11:00,820
I gave you this as a 30 at the last time.

3045
03:11:01,040 --> 03:11:03,720
How much are you going to give me this time?

3046
03:11:03,940 --> 03:11:04,540
I got it.

3047
03:11:04,560 --> 03:11:05,360
Let me just ask the client.

3048
03:11:30,640 --> 03:11:31,080
Okay.

3049
03:11:31,240 --> 03:11:31,740
So whatever.

3050
03:11:32,420 --> 03:11:33,320
I'll throw it over there first.

3051
03:11:34,120 --> 03:11:34,360
Oh, sure.

3052
03:11:35,060 --> 03:11:35,180
Yeah.

3053
03:11:35,320 --> 03:11:35,920
Twist my arms.

3054
03:11:36,920 --> 03:11:37,360
Okay.

3055
03:11:38,440 --> 03:11:47,260
the time to act extended October 31st, yeah that's not the date of the meeting but that's not the date of the meeting

3056
03:11:47,260 --> 03:11:50,740
the next meeting September 28th

3057
03:11:50,740 --> 03:11:56,260
continue without further notice the September 28th, 730 p.m. right here in

3058
03:11:56,260 --> 03:12:03,780
September 28th, 2026, 2026, 730 p.m. in this room no further notice

3059
03:12:06,020 --> 03:12:06,500
Okay.

3060
03:12:06,500 --> 03:12:06,700
Okay.

3061
03:12:06,820 --> 03:12:07,600
Get a punch.

3062
03:12:08,820 --> 03:12:09,120
All right.

3063
03:12:09,200 --> 03:12:09,740
Thank you, everybody.

3064
03:12:09,820 --> 03:12:11,260
We have some more things.

3065
03:12:11,260 --> 03:12:12,180
Thank you, everyone.

3066
03:12:12,840 --> 03:12:15,200
And we're going to get to our resolution.

3067
03:12:43,180 --> 03:12:43,320
Okay.

3068
03:12:50,150 --> 03:12:53,930
We're just going to have a little more public business to do, so if everyone can please

3069
03:12:53,930 --> 03:12:55,870
be quiet at UX and I can.

3070
03:13:03,390 --> 03:13:05,870
Yeah, thank you.

3071
03:13:09,570 --> 03:13:10,930
Thank you.

3072
03:13:10,930 --> 03:13:12,850
Thank you.

3073
03:13:12,850 --> 03:13:12,970
Thank you.

3074
03:13:12,970 --> 03:13:13,910
I'm safe.

3075
03:13:14,190 --> 03:13:14,450
I'm safe.

3076
03:13:14,710 --> 03:13:15,110
Long night.

3077
03:13:19,540 --> 03:13:20,340
Not long.

3078
03:13:21,180 --> 03:13:22,120
Those people are dead.

3079
03:13:23,000 --> 03:13:24,360
This one doesn't understand.

3080
03:13:24,360 --> 03:13:29,120
We are going to the house, where we can go, and it's a big space.

3081
03:13:33,060 --> 03:13:35,160
Yes, I quite have this old.

3082
03:13:35,220 --> 03:13:36,880
Oh there's a door in the house.

3083
03:13:36,880 --> 03:13:43,480
You can see the door and the door, too, is a place full of people here.

3084
03:13:45,420 --> 03:13:46,840
Do you have aこんにちは?

3085
03:13:49,960 --> 03:13:50,320
Hello?

3086
03:13:50,320 --> 03:13:50,580
You can see the door.

3087
03:13:51,040 --> 03:13:51,700
The door is a door.

3088
03:13:51,700 --> 03:13:52,100
There you go, there, you can see it.

3089
03:13:52,100 --> 03:13:52,680
Here you go.

3090
03:13:52,680 --> 03:13:53,160
Here you go, there you go.

3091
03:13:53,160 --> 03:13:53,420
Here, you can see it, there you go.

3092
03:13:53,420 --> 03:13:54,340
We can see it.

3093
03:14:00,060 --> 03:14:00,880
Okay.

3094
03:14:03,200 --> 03:14:03,440
Okay.

3095
03:14:04,000 --> 03:14:04,820
Okay.

3096
03:14:05,100 --> 03:14:05,500
Okay.

3097
03:14:08,380 --> 03:14:08,620
Okay.

3098
03:14:09,460 --> 03:14:09,660
So, yeah.

3099
03:14:10,620 --> 03:14:10,980
Welcome back.

3100
03:14:12,360 --> 03:14:12,380
Okay.

3101
03:14:17,820 --> 03:14:17,980
Yeah.

3102
03:14:18,620 --> 03:14:23,380
So, we have a resolution for us.

3103
03:14:23,380 --> 03:14:26,660
for 5, 27 more Saturday, Temple Hill Associates,

3104
03:14:27,580 --> 03:14:31,700
and I'd like to know if anybody has any changes

3105
03:14:31,700 --> 03:14:34,780
at its errors that you found when you wrote it.

3106
03:14:37,180 --> 03:14:37,760
I don't think I did.

3107
03:14:40,250 --> 03:14:40,910
Just a little checking.

3108
03:14:41,730 --> 03:14:42,270
My circles.

3109
03:14:44,310 --> 03:14:45,370
Oh, I did have one question.

3110
03:14:45,430 --> 03:14:46,730
Do we say 12 a.m.

3111
03:14:46,730 --> 03:14:50,470
I think we did for turning off the lights

3112
03:14:50,470 --> 03:14:51,850
at that location a more sub?

3113
03:14:51,850 --> 03:14:53,150
I think we said 12 a.m.

3114
03:14:53,170 --> 03:14:55,530
Because by then, it was all that it was always.

3115
03:14:55,530 --> 03:14:56,150
I thought it was a lot.

3116
03:14:56,830 --> 03:14:58,010
We've got an hour and a half of it.

3117
03:14:58,310 --> 03:14:58,850
We've been together.

3118
03:15:02,700 --> 03:15:07,700
Yeah, I think that's okay. They closed the moment. I just have a question.

3119
03:15:07,780 --> 03:15:11,020
It doesn't have a page on my name, I'm so sorry. But it is here.

3120
03:15:11,220 --> 03:15:15,380
What can they do? Three, three, three.

3121
03:15:15,960 --> 03:15:15,960
Yep.

3122
03:15:18,770 --> 03:15:22,110
That's what I, I just wanted to make sure everybody recalls the same thing.

3123
03:15:23,430 --> 03:15:26,750
It's all the time, right? Everybody remember that? Okay, you can.

3124
03:15:26,950 --> 03:15:28,610
That was my only question. This is a question.

3125
03:15:28,610 --> 03:15:29,150
All right.

3126
03:15:29,150 --> 03:15:30,190
Oh, this goes back.

3127
03:15:30,950 --> 03:15:31,010
Yeah.

3128
03:15:31,870 --> 03:15:33,930
Does anybody know what it says in there about the sidewalk?

3129
03:15:34,190 --> 03:15:35,350
I know they had to go to the county.

3130
03:15:35,690 --> 03:15:41,670
It says that they're going to go to the city to get a approval for that that can

3131
03:15:41,670 --> 03:15:42,250
continue.

3132
03:15:42,670 --> 03:15:45,930
But they were saying that the concrete wasn't like the right.

3133
03:15:46,010 --> 03:15:48,310
It was like the older types so they were going to go to the county and they're waiting

3134
03:15:48,310 --> 03:15:49,110
to go to the county.

3135
03:15:49,570 --> 03:15:50,690
Oh, you can tell me about the curb.

3136
03:15:51,050 --> 03:15:51,750
Yeah, I'm talking about like that.

3137
03:15:51,910 --> 03:15:53,710
That's not the stair on the sidewalk.

3138
03:15:54,450 --> 03:15:55,530
The city's right away.

3139
03:15:55,530 --> 03:15:56,650
a lot more.

3140
03:16:09,850 --> 03:16:13,390
I don't know if we made an official condition or not.

3141
03:16:13,610 --> 03:16:16,150
Was that something that was contained in one of the reports?

3142
03:16:18,650 --> 03:16:22,650
Sometimes conditions come right out of a word a little bit.

3143
03:16:22,650 --> 03:16:26,910
I just want to make sure it's memorialized, if not, we should maybe put it to the next meeting.

3144
03:16:27,510 --> 03:16:28,310
Wasn't there remember?

3145
03:16:28,310 --> 03:16:29,370
I don't like computer, I like it.

3146
03:16:29,370 --> 03:16:29,870
That's okay.

3147
03:16:30,430 --> 03:16:31,550
Oh, I'm so sorry.

3148
03:16:31,670 --> 03:16:32,210
No, it's okay.

3149
03:16:32,490 --> 03:16:34,570
I just, I drove by in the sidewalk, it was like,

3150
03:16:34,570 --> 03:16:38,050
Number seven says the aforementioned approval shall be subject to all state,

3151
03:16:38,090 --> 03:16:40,190
county and city statues, ordinance, rules, regulations,

3152
03:16:40,330 --> 03:16:42,710
effecting development in the city, county and state.

3153
03:16:42,950 --> 03:16:45,650
That might cover the leg of the, they have rules about the,

3154
03:16:46,110 --> 03:16:48,370
the sidewalk and it came up from the county, correct?

3155
03:16:48,370 --> 03:16:58,130
Well, why don't we get the following to three subsection five and I'm sorry that is we be specific on that we're way the

3156
03:16:58,130 --> 03:16:58,910
pervocations.

3157
03:16:59,270 --> 03:16:59,830
Morris.

3158
03:17:00,550 --> 03:17:07,870
I guess all of it really was discussed at the last meeting and it was a county issue, not a city

3159
03:17:07,870 --> 03:17:08,330
issue.

3160
03:17:09,250 --> 03:17:14,970
So what I recall is that the county is going to resolve it with the applicant.

3161
03:17:15,090 --> 03:17:15,570
With the applicant.

3162
03:17:16,130 --> 03:17:17,130
It's not a city issue.

3163
03:17:17,130 --> 03:17:19,470
And we have it in 7.

3164
03:17:19,890 --> 03:17:20,410
Yeah.

3165
03:17:21,430 --> 03:17:22,690
So I think we're good.

3166
03:17:23,130 --> 03:17:23,650
All right.

3167
03:17:24,410 --> 03:17:26,330
Any other changes questions?

3168
03:17:28,350 --> 03:17:31,890
And if not, you can always call the camera.

3169
03:17:32,490 --> 03:17:34,310
A motion to approve.

3170
03:17:34,870 --> 03:17:35,670
Some of them.

3171
03:17:35,670 --> 03:17:36,130
Is that okay?

3172
03:17:37,330 --> 03:17:37,370
Okay.

3173
03:17:37,370 --> 03:17:37,930
And you have them.

3174
03:17:38,110 --> 03:17:39,550
I think everybody was here last time.

3175
03:17:40,410 --> 03:17:40,690
Yes.

3176
03:17:40,690 --> 03:17:42,750
The only one who's not eligible is Mr. Goldie.

3177
03:17:42,890 --> 03:17:43,990
We'll call the camera.

3178
03:17:47,250 --> 03:17:47,770
Yes.

3179
03:17:48,250 --> 03:17:48,270
Yes.

3180
03:17:48,270 --> 03:17:48,930
Ms. Bowen?

3181
03:17:48,990 --> 03:17:49,270
Yes.

3182
03:17:49,570 --> 03:17:50,570
Council Member Chris Affoli?

3183
03:17:50,970 --> 03:17:51,250
Yes.

3184
03:17:51,470 --> 03:17:52,330
Mr. Almoso?

3185
03:17:52,750 --> 03:17:52,770
Yes.

3186
03:17:52,990 --> 03:17:53,530
Ms. Morrison?

3187
03:17:54,470 --> 03:17:55,050
Mr. Stern?

3188
03:17:55,330 --> 03:17:55,570
Yes.

3189
03:17:55,870 --> 03:17:56,670
Mr. Stomton?

3190
03:17:56,850 --> 03:17:57,070
Yes.

3191
03:17:57,350 --> 03:17:58,270
Chair Balson over it.

3192
03:18:00,050 --> 03:18:09,830
We can do the regular and closed session as one motion since it's the same.

3193
03:18:09,850 --> 03:18:09,990
Yeah.

3194
03:18:10,010 --> 03:18:12,290
Work members for each of the three dates.

3195
03:18:12,290 --> 03:18:19,910
I actually want to just table a June 4th because I have a question, I have something

3196
03:18:19,910 --> 03:18:27,450
I have to check for June 4th, so let's just do March 23rd and April 27th, okay?

3197
03:18:28,050 --> 03:18:28,510
So first...

3198
03:18:28,510 --> 03:18:28,690
First...

3199
03:18:28,690 --> 03:18:29,850
Do you watch 23rd first?

3200
03:18:30,210 --> 03:18:30,370
Yes.

3201
03:18:32,010 --> 03:18:35,190
Do we have any edits or errors?

3202
03:18:35,530 --> 03:18:36,310
Do we have to notice anything?

3203
03:18:36,770 --> 03:18:37,350
I'm fine.

3204
03:18:37,570 --> 03:18:38,310
We're going to...

3205
03:18:38,310 --> 03:18:38,710
Okay.

3206
03:18:39,930 --> 03:18:41,690
And on the closed session as well,

3207
03:18:41,690 --> 03:18:42,250
I'm glad you changed.

3208
03:18:42,530 --> 03:18:43,130
It doesn't say anything.

3209
03:18:43,370 --> 03:18:43,650
Thank you.

3210
03:18:44,130 --> 03:18:45,850
Um, so, I'm sorry.

3211
03:18:46,170 --> 03:18:46,690
It's not a good thing.

3212
03:18:47,110 --> 03:18:47,630
I'm sorry.

3213
03:18:47,630 --> 03:18:48,430
Motion to approve.

3214
03:18:49,170 --> 03:18:49,570
So moved.

3215
03:18:50,690 --> 03:18:51,110
Second.

3216
03:18:51,730 --> 03:18:52,030
Absolutely.

3217
03:18:52,350 --> 03:18:56,630
We have three members who were not there that night on March 23rd.

3218
03:18:56,730 --> 03:19:00,850
So the eligible voting members are chair balls in Alvarez, Ms. Bowen, Council Member

3219
03:19:00,850 --> 03:19:04,890
Chris Affoli, Mr. Dalmasso, Ms. Morrison, Mr. Stern and Mr. Golden.

3220
03:19:05,810 --> 03:19:06,890
So, Augustos the motion.

3221
03:19:07,090 --> 03:19:07,710
Could we get a second?

3222
03:19:07,830 --> 03:19:08,150
Second.

3223
03:19:09,350 --> 03:19:10,030
Thank you.

3224
03:19:10,410 --> 03:19:10,830
All in favor?

3225
03:19:10,830 --> 03:19:18,830
Hi. Any opposed? Thank you. And then next up are the meeting minutes from April 27,

3226
03:19:19,730 --> 03:19:24,390
26, regular and close session. The eligible voting members are chair boss and Alvarez,

3227
03:19:24,630 --> 03:19:30,170
Vice Chair Hamlet, Ms. Bowen, Council Member Chrisifoli, Mr. Tomasso, Ms. Morrison, Mr.

3228
03:19:30,290 --> 03:19:32,510
Stern and Mr. Golden, were there any edits?

3229
03:19:35,560 --> 03:19:36,860
I don't have any.

3230
03:19:38,340 --> 03:19:40,520
Okay, so motion to approve.

3231
03:19:40,860 --> 03:19:41,320
So moved.

3232
03:19:42,240 --> 03:19:42,380
Second.

3233
03:19:44,990 --> 03:19:45,530
All in favour?

3234
03:19:45,810 --> 03:19:46,110
Aye.

3235
03:19:46,770 --> 03:19:47,350
Any opposed?

3236
03:19:48,510 --> 03:19:50,170
Motion to end the meeting.

3237
03:19:51,110 --> 03:19:52,110
So we'll talk a bit.

3238
03:19:52,170 --> 03:19:52,890
Thanks so much.

3239
03:19:53,090 --> 03:19:53,270
Second.

3240
03:19:55,390 --> 03:19:56,390
Thank you everybody.

3241
03:19:56,870 --> 03:19:57,450
Try to see.