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Here in Chambers, City of Sun Valley Climate and Zoning Commission meeting, September 10, 2026, where you were just out on a site visit for DR, 2026-56, an application for a new residence at 39 Lane Ranch Road.

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Staff, you want to give it a short introduction at anything before we turn it over to the applicant?

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Yes, all just bounce off the interaction that I gave you all the sites.

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It's a similar home to that proposed historic 37-wessling range.

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It seems that they are planning to build concurrently relatively flat sites.

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no major issues with access, they fall just within the bounds of landscaping,

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the origin of landscaping amounts. The plants received to not have

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exterior lighting, plants and specs. It seems that that may have been rectified

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I mean, the revision, however, I've not had time to analyze that.

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If you flip through your staff report, you'll see that I have highlighted anything

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of particular concern in red.

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There are additional information as we did, and certainly as we skim through what we were

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looking at today, I can just know if we see any of that.

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But I will turn

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it over to the applicant to walk us through what you've got.

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Is this the new set on the screen?

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It is, yeah.

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So, it should be the whole package.

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The team has made some corrections and additions to address some of the staff comments,

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which commissioners haven't seen that package yet.

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Oh, sorry, Matt, you'd all study architecture.

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Yeah, okay.

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Yeah, so here we have the application for a lot 91, roughly 6,000 square foot.

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Single family residence, slimmer to the previous project on the Jason lot.

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Two stories, two card garage.

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here's

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the survey showing the original plated envelope.

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You

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know what size that original plated envelope was?

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Yeah, I think it's on our building envelope plan.

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If you go back, I can't do that.

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35 square feet.

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And then so the outer dash line is the expanded envelope, which is allowable by the city

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the code.

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And then you can see the calculation. And that crosshatch was the building area

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outside of the footprint.

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I mean, if you want to go to the previous one, we have the

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snow storage calculations.

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One of this cost.com answers is to make sure that snow storage

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is outside the city right away so we push that back. Another change here to note is that

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based on a meeting with the HOA Design Review Board,

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which was last Thursday on the requiring guest parking.

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So we sacrifice some of the landscaping there in the front

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for a permeable paving parking.

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This is a line item that they're very,

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but that was super important.

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Yeah, that's, that's right. It's a what's over here that will be landscaping we want

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That's a great point. I mean, we're definitely keeping the width of the driveway clear,

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but yeah, that's a great point. Thank you.

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Any questions on the area calcs? Okay.

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We'll move to the next sheet.

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please? No problem. Grating drainage we did add some indication for the dry

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wells here and with there's a staff comment about not disturbing or grating

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within three feet of the property boundary which we've adjusted that as

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well.

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The very outside lines. Nope the the boulder one. There you go. Yeah that's

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setback. That's the utility easement and then the inside one is a setback.

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Utility easement? There is yeah so it's five feet on the side and the side and

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rear yard and I believe it's ten. It's it's dimension on a separate plan

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really.

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Not there. Maybe on the first site plan. There you go. Yeah there's a

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utilities meant there that's larger along the street and five feet on the

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side and rear yard and then the inside dash line is our building setback this

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dimension that is edge of payment here which dimension are you referring to this

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line edge of payment yes must be because that's where the driveway is yeah what

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do they have all the utilities in there every block house one every block house one

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It was just like laughing that way on the sides every property line goes 5 to 2 each side.

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I was just noticing it. I know I've seen it like obviously what does is a few lots with the easements going through.

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But it seems like every government woman's whole school view.

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Any questions on the grading drainage?

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Okay,

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utility plans.

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Let's see the utility yard there on the right,

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and then the electrical and gas meter will be on the left.

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It's understanding they're all coming from that sand corner with it, shared with it a lot.

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The corner of the property boundary.

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Okay,

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construction activity plan.

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All right, how's that work?

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Yeah, the trailer is material and they're really in front of your parking spaces, how does that work?

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well that's, the trailer shouldn't be blocking parking spaces.

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How does it go in the

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gravel?

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The trailer is, so that here's your trailer here?

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That's a dumpster.

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trailer, a trailer dumpster, a trailer to the left there. So you got a gravel drive into

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the F350s are going to, not

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why he just like kind of rotate the like

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this square

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mean, that's the way I mean that, right?

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Because I know these guys, you know what I mean?

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You guys, do you guys review that? Yeah, just

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a side note. You don't want to say that. Oh, I'll get it out of there. It sucks. It looks good. When you pull it out, it goes through one winter. You just fall it off. I guess it's okay for building burns, but it'll be full of rocks and things. And then of course, you don't have any burns.

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So there's a lot of riverbed.

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Why were you keeping it?

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It's just a stockpile.

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It makes sense and it's good dirt, but I'll just tell you.

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If we need it, go to many houses in there.

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We need it for backup.

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You saw the piles of dirt around the test pits that you didn't dig.

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There's a lot of them.

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There's a lot of them.

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There's a lot of them.

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There's a lot of them.

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There's a lot of them.

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There's a lot of them.

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There's a lot of them.

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There's a lot of them.

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There's a lot of them.

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Yeah.

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Crap.

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Well, more parking.

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Yeah, more parking.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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I don't need it.

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OK.

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Fire apparatus and hose lay.

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Through that.

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Can you get through the fireplace there?

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Yeah.

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Where is that one of your walls?

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That was a comment from city staff.

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And it probably needs to go around the fireplace.

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Yes, the accurate.

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So will you have the 150th, but if you do that,

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it's really hard to read.

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It looks like 144.

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It's 148 149 6.

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It's quite close.

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It looks like we might be doing a stand-by, Brad.

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Well, we do have a automatic fire spray.

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The house won't be up against the house that close.

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It's going to be.

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We have an automatic fire sprinkler system.

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Oh, I guess they didn't offset that with that.

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I think it's one of those trade-offs from the final Marshall pain, that's so close.

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Why do you show his life?

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Because we still need to get the outside of the building.

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We still need to get the outside of the building.

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With fire sprinklers, I think that's what we need to do.

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Oh, yeah, it's your exposure.

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It's because you're going to set up a monitor on that side.

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You know, to protect your huge thing.

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You have a big waterway over there too.

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Yeah, over here.

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Yeah, we don't have to look at that.

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Yeah, I think that that's one we just leave with him.

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We normally catch that, but being sprinkler.

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It's just more, you know.

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For sure we've got sprinklers.

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I think that's the reason why we show it.

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It's like on porn.

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It's because we're hitting anything that's spot firing outside.

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Does the sprinklers understand?

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I'm pretty sure we've had hookups and sprinklers.

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Especially in some of the white cloths on us,

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where they could make it around.

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we've made it put in a standpipe in the back, even if there were over 6,000 feet.

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It might be staff could have come out there in a special condition and read

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that once.

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Because you've got so much trees and stuff back there, but the neighborhood houses and

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fire catches those trees and trying to check your home height to get back there.

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It's just the exposure.

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Wow, wow.

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Okay.

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Now you were going to put the fire box out the front there.

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I know you haven't noticed a little, go back one.

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Yeah, the idea is to have it in this monument sign.

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In the monument?

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Yes.

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So that's your address monument there?

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Yeah.

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That's

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the war drop of the building.

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Okay, that's the other house.

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Yeah.

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That's the one?

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Yeah, but yeah, we get the monument.

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Yeah, we know where it's at.

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The stake there.

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The HOA asks for a site plan where you can see

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the footprints of all the adjacent houses.

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That

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you can't see because of all the trees.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Foundation plans.

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Probably not anything interesting here for you.

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No, we don't want to see.

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Keep going. Keep going. Okay, first floor plan. Pretty similar concept space plan to the other house.

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Now, have you talked to, have you guys talked to gas and electric, we have, like, kind of set your spots for your meters? We just out of the power.

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And they're good with that and you've got already had the concessions.

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Just know where it is.

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Yeah.

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It's all where it's going on the one side.

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Well, it's actually on the right side.

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Yeah, it's on the other side of the building.

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The side you pointed to is the condensers and the rest of the utilities.

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so it's in a little bit of a like a doghouse like the last project if you remember.

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Upstairs, additional bedrooms and you can see the covered porch.

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What's

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the secret lines?

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Where is the mechanical room? Is it under the hall back?

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It's downstairs next to the, so it's over right there.

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Yeah, I saw that. I'm trying to trace that up upstairs.

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Yeah, I believe we have to add a shaft.

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That's one thing that's missing right there.

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There's a chase that goes up to a faux chimney that's just for utilities.

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It's obvious.

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Okay, yeah, fit it in the cabinet.

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That's the idea.

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Okay.

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Reflect ceiling plan.

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you can see the exterior light fixtures.

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Did you count those in this?

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Yep.

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We have that tabulated on the final page.

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Here's the roof plan.

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You can see the calculation for the roof.

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That's over 30 feet, which is...

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That's enough data since that comments.

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Yep, it has been.

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And we've also added gutters,

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which might be hard to see.

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It's like double lines.

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and you see at the bottom of the roof pitches.

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Are these no retention bars?

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Is that what?

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Yeah, so on the asphalt shingles,

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it's the tab system,

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and then on the metal roof,

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we have the bar retention system.

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So are you showing bar and rail on the asphalt here?

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Like this one right here.

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This is bar rail.

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right and is this asphalt yeah can you read that note right there that's

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down right there about the asphalt they

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call the pad style then

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the metal will

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have the bar so

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within the asphalt there'll be those kind of angular tabs

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versus the bar oh

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one thing to note we'll get to that on the elevations but

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that note that says perp it wall that's incorrect that's been removed

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We thought that would help break down the massing on that side of the building.

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So what you see in the rendering is over the garage.

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What you have in your renderings is old and we'll see that's been updated.

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Yeah, you can actually see it right there on the right.

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right in the left there was a stone parapet that kind of climbed over the low

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slope roof of the garage.

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Yeah, there's an upper parapet on that tall gable

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where there used to be a sort of a square parapet.

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On the kind of concealed that lower roof, there was in the same plane and made of that stone.

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Okay. We also adjusted the chiny caps. We used to have a little bit of slope to them.

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It is. I believe it's, we have an image of that material board.

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Here is the retaining wall. You can see on those lower.

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elevations. There was a staff comment about the height. Yes. And it's also on the

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one on the left.

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So you could see there are under four feet tall. The material

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would be the same stone veneer that's on the building.

266
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We should have like a

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precast parapet cap. Where's coping on it? Sorry.

268
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Inside the supply? Yes. Absolutely.

269
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What's that doing? It's hard to tell in the elevation.

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Yeah, you can, if we get to the landscape planning, it's a retaining wall to kind of

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raise, get a raised planning bed.

272
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Okay, yeah, show us when we get there.

273
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Yeah,

274
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I might go to see it there.

275
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Excuse your loss.

276
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That was some of the bottom line, right?

277
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Yeah, you can kind of see it there.

278
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Going down to the other house that's right.

279
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Yeah, yeah, that's

280
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right there's an image of that parapet or the Chimicap

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You

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know the major change from the previous pack of these pad is that the siding has gone to a wetter gray a lighter color

283
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I'm part of that was a response from the HOA that there was

284
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two similar in tone at the other house

285
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We're trying to have these two houses at separate DNA and

286
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that also we think addresses the comment of the monument sign being

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Too hard to read against dark

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Sighting so it's a lighter gray now

289
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another change is you notice the covered porch

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columns that was stone previously

291
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And that was feeling a little heavy and clunky so now it's a clad and

292
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It's supposed to be wood, that's looking pretty dark there.

293
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So it looks like you've got a wood soften under here that makes sense.

294
00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:26,420
What, one of the staff questions was, what's the soft fit?

295
00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:33,420
Yeah, there was a question if we have any, the way I read it, if there's any exposed rafters,

296
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which we don't have any, it's all enclosed soft fit.

297
00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:37,860
Okay, it was hard in the town.

298
00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:40,460
Yeah, no, no, no rafters, no raftertales.

299
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,700
So Matt, listen to something a little different from the other one that you don't have.

300
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Wolves.

301
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,660
I mean, you could sneak through there.

302
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:48,960
Yeah.

303
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:49,980
Yeah.

304
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,520
I was worried there's a little landscape all there, but it, um,

305
00:23:55,940 --> 00:24:01,140
but I, yeah, I thought the fire department still doesn't like to do that.

306
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We'll see what reads us.

307
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,100
And

308
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how does your roof breathe?

309
00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:16,640
I don't see a roof vent.

310
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,380
I don't see endgables.

311
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:19,060
Yeah.

312
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You've got a space in there.

313
00:24:21,860 --> 00:24:24,760
You're showing your insulation at ceiling height.

314
00:24:25,540 --> 00:24:27,360
So how do you ventilate that?

315
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,760
It's a hot or cold space up there.

316
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,860
I believe we want to have a Boston Ridge.

317
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It's not showing up in these elevations.

318
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So that will be...

319
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Not showing on the sections or anything else.

320
00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:43,540
Did we have it on the 2D elevations?

321
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I don't mind that Boston 2, it'll be a little extra detail.

322
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,220
Check the high elements.

323
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Can you go back to the elevation?

324
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See if we have that there.

325
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,560
It's not there. I think a little wiggle room on there. Okay.

326
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:10,040
Okay.

327
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:22,100
The intent would be like the other house. Well, I was a soft event with a Boston Ridge.

328
00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:45,410
At elevation. Your piece. That chimney. Wait a minute. Am I reading that right? That chimney is centered on the.

329
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So, is that my reading is correctly, is Chimney's set on the window, but you've got to get

330
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a chase up, yeah, that how I'll go, yeah, exactly, up into the cat case where I was asking

331
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before.

332
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There

333
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are the top elevation you can see the cabinets for the meter, it's a pretty big vertical

334
00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:27,920
camera lever in that fire place that you've got on the end there. That footing is going to be huge.

335
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,520
I don't think you'll be able to stabilize it just with the deck structure.

336
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:35,480
There'll be a lot of extra structure in that.

337
00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:36,220
Interesting.

338
00:26:37,140 --> 00:26:39,060
You know, this is like, what's the tip?

339
00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:39,840
Yeah.

340
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The footing and the lines will be

341
00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:48,500
8-inch.

342
00:27:01,530 --> 00:27:01,930
Okay.

343
00:27:01,930 --> 00:27:03,690
Okay, how

344
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,260
you're lighting 39 yet?

345
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840
Yeah, it's on the final page.

346
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,280
We get to the lighting, so

347
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,340
there's the utility screening.

348
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,420
Are you doing your Montana moss as a full layer?

349
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,860
Or is it going to be a thin layer?

350
00:27:39,580 --> 00:27:40,460
It's a veneer.

351
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Two to two and a half, yeah.

352
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:52,460
Okay.

353
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:55,460
Did I miss on these new plans?

354
00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:58,960
if you have the Utilities Screaming Fence height.

355
00:27:59,380 --> 00:27:59,920
Yes, we.

356
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:00,540
Okay.

357
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:01,840
It's up in the bottom line.

358
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:02,640
Oh, there's that.

359
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,420
The elevations.

360
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,100
Thank you.

361
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:04,560
Thank you.

362
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:06,300
That's what we can dance with her.

363
00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:08,280
This one?

364
00:28:08,580 --> 00:28:08,780
Yeah.

365
00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:09,140
Yeah.

366
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,640
Oh, nice.

367
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:13,920
I'm wicking.

368
00:28:14,980 --> 00:28:16,680
Where are the...

369
00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:21,660
Okay, next.

370
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:22,260
Please.

371
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:23,960
Building sections.

372
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:24,820
Oh, yeah.

373
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,500
This is where you're sitting.

374
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,840
The installation.

375
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:27,740
Yeah.

376
00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:33,870
We need to add some detail to that.

377
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:36,230
You can

378
00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:43,500
see that dash red line is the record grade.

379
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:08,430
Is that 33 and change here?

380
00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:10,390
Yeah, at least so I can't read it from here.

381
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:13,830
I

382
00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:19,060
think that is so that some work staff report.

383
00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:19,380
Yeah.

384
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:19,900
Yeah.

385
00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:23,020
Absolutely.

386
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,360
That's not really true.

387
00:29:24,660 --> 00:29:30,340
Oh, there's those little pinching, root, and thing, cap, shingle on the top.

388
00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:31,460
Yeah.

389
00:29:33,580 --> 00:29:34,140
Corovent?

390
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:35,120
Yeah.

391
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,420
Let me see, and I'll use more and more.

392
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:44,610
Okay.

393
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:07,050
Okay, next.

394
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:19,420
Good scroll through the assembly. Typical detail. Oh, if we go back, then we added some detail, the monument sign, which is the staff comment. We have dimensions of the lettering,

395
00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:52,570
at the end of the set here, the door window is going to drill, here we go, this is a little

396
00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:56,950
bit redundant what we've seen before, but it's lighting and switching.

397
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:01,980
Yeah, so the next

398
00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:10,460
page you'll see are tabulations, the two exterior light fixtures, and we have the color

399
00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:14,900
temperature information there and the Lumen count.

400
00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:24,980
So what's known is the recessed

401
00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:31,700
can lights that are in the porch. The covered porch we have four on each floor.

402
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:43,880
Yeah and then there should be the monument sign right there. Which is a backlit

403
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,000
numbers. Actually

404
00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:57,570
getting numbers with lighting in the back of the number. Yeah. You got

405
00:31:57,570 --> 00:32:04,430
to just put a little collo behind them. Address. We need to sign the towns. You can see them really well.

406
00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:12,530
And these are the same lights. Not as the other one. That's correct.

407
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,840
So you might wonder driving

408
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:30,980
around land ranch when they see several properties with clear glass fixtures. We hate those. Those are

409
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:39,140
illegal as hell and we hate those. They all have their own stories. So that's why we get a little

410
00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:47,960
tense when we see something like this. Well I believe that what I understand this is that the

411
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:54,500
the bulb itself you can't see. So the glass is just decorative. It's not being eliminated.

412
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:07,140
Are the four new recessed lights on each part of the deck show in the light to pull

413
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:08,760
here. Yeah. Okay.

414
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,400
That was

415
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:22,320
a spec for those map is that on the straight to which would

416
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:29,040
be type D or we don't have a cut sheet of it here. We can easily pull that for you.

417
00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:35,660
Okay.

418
00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:44,340
Is there any landscaping waiting? There is. And unfortunately that didn't make it onto this.

419
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:47,780
But when we if we pull up the landscaping next for ready for that

420
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:53,260
There is there's a few pathways

421
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:05,180
Yeah

422
00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:10,940
It's very soft light

423
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:35,160
And as long as we're talking about my big staff invention that you had had some

424
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:39,920
uplining and landscaping, but I couldn't see any of it in this packet.

425
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,360
It was taken in and out and so it's now it's completely gone.

426
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,000
There were some accent lights to light up some trees that they've been removed from

427
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,460
project

428
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:59,190
but I couldn't figure out where they were the landscape lights in the world.

429
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:31,360
Good. Yeah, good. How many of these pathways do you have? Do you know? I think it's four. When we pull up the plan, I'll point them out to you. If it's the same as the prior landscape plan, there are three pathways on the left side of the driveway. And also in the prior landscape plan, which is the last page if you're planning to set the packet, it shows the uplighting around each tree. Or two of the trees in the room.

430
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,620
There's no landscape light, there's only the thrill in the driveway.

431
00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:39,520
That's correct.

432
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,400
That's true.

433
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,180
There's two, three.

434
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:44,640
Wait.

435
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:48,220
Those are the old lights.

436
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,240
Matt, that's where I was on heat.

437
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Right.

438
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:53,120
Unheated.

439
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,240
Not heated.

440
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:56,060
Not heated.

441
00:35:56,060 --> 00:35:56,460
You know what I'm saying?

442
00:35:56,580 --> 00:35:57,620
We're not sure if this is right.

443
00:35:58,300 --> 00:35:59,920
We're going to get nailed by your plow guy.

444
00:36:00,180 --> 00:36:00,260
Yeah.

445
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:01,820
Oh, the lights.

446
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,120
Yeah.

447
00:36:05,660 --> 00:36:08,320
They're getting a very good snowman.

448
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,320
The cloud over.

449
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,600
So wait, that new landscape plan, we did not get it right, was there a one on the back

450
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,720
here that shows that?

451
00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:27,980
There.

452
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,980
Is that new parking right there?

453
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:33,880
Yeah.

454
00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:37,100
Brittany, I'll be able to pull it up here.

455
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:45,850
And with your turning circles, I know you've probably done this study.

456
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:47,610
You can come face out.

457
00:36:47,950 --> 00:36:48,270
Correct.

458
00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:50,110
That's the idea.

459
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:50,590
Yes.

460
00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:51,710
When you pull out your driveway.

461
00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:52,430
Mm-hmm.

462
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,860
Yeah, that's a good idea.

463
00:36:58,860 --> 00:36:59,600
Back into the front door.

464
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,320
Since we're talking about that.

465
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,160
Does our code require a guest parking spot?

466
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:05,560
No.

467
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,460
The single thing that happens to me, you have a name on that.

468
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,420
Two-parted box.

469
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:09,800
It looks like it.

470
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:09,860
Yeah.

471
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,300
Only for any idea, do you need a box to your initial or share it with me?

472
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:40,800
So you could see that where we added the gas parking, the permeable painting surface, some

473
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:49,260
Some other changes that were made, pulled out based on staff comments, pulled out some of the plantings within the five foot buffer zone.

474
00:37:50,780 --> 00:38:04,120
And the ones that you do see there within the 10 foot fire wise, buffer are supposed to be low, low ground cover plantings so it wouldn't impede the hose lay.

475
00:38:06,860 --> 00:38:13,100
And I will note, which I noted in the staff report, that they are planning to use rock mulch.

476
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:13,640
Correct.

477
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:14,240
That's correct.

478
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,740
Staff really appreciates.

479
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:16,140
Yeah.

480
00:38:25,530 --> 00:38:26,550
What other changes?

481
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:39,750
Well, I believe there is a comment asking about the species of the native grass.

482
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:43,610
We did get a cut sheeted out if you want to see it.

483
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:47,210
I don't know if the commissioners care to see that, but we can send it in to the staff.

484
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:26,300
I'm just curious every time I've seen this on your applications, what's so special about this that you actually highlighted it in your proposal?

485
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:34,580
Well, it was asked for an advertisement, you get the SDF, and it's what you get on the left.

486
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:39,020
It's just,

487
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:44,080
it was requested.

488
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,920
and we haven't seen that.

489
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,280
Okay.

490
00:40:00,340 --> 00:40:13,690
Any more questions? Okay. Thank you. Open the public hearing. If there is anyone here or online?

491
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:30,140
We do have one person online, Brad? Not sure if he's with the project team? Okay, okay. So other than that, we have no members of the public online.

492
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:35,620
Joe, are you napping out there in McColle?

493
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:41,780
I'm just making sure you're still with us.

494
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:42,740
I'm here.

495
00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:43,900
Okay.

496
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:47,620
I won't close the public hearing.

497
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:53,300
Deliberations, questions, details.

498
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,740
Brittany, this random public comment about a thousand feet bigger than loud

499
00:41:00,740 --> 00:41:04,580
Was that the old, the old very first one?

500
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:04,780
Yeah.

501
00:41:05,140 --> 00:41:05,440
Okay.

502
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,600
Yeah, we're just required to include all of them.

503
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:08,220
No, I'm not.

504
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:09,720
I'm just going to show you.

505
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,540
Carter, on your limited time,

506
00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:16,860
how long are you looking at your nose

507
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,740
and your staff report?

508
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:28,840
Do feel much of it as addressed by the plan provisions and?

509
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:31,880
We don't want to put you under duress right here in the spot,

510
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:32,620
but I mean, like.

511
00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:35,720
And this is substantial to rest.

512
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:38,340
I'm here for to rest.

513
00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:45,420
I would be comfortable if you go with a conditional approval.

514
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,980
We just want to go finish with the special conditions.

515
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:51,480
What do you think about just doing a...

516
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,240
I mean, I like the design.

517
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:53,760
I have no issues with the design overall.

518
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,640
But just doing a continuous let's staff, update the staff report,

519
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,740
make sure everything is compliant.

520
00:41:58,740 --> 00:42:04,220
and then do a quick five minute at the October,

521
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,440
given the direction to the builder

522
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,580
that they can start pointing,

523
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:08,920
whatever they need to get ready to go

524
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,620
in the next three weeks.

525
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:14,600
I wouldn't be opposed to it,

526
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,800
but I'd like to go through the red comments,

527
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,200
and yeah, I can give it back a give,

528
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,640
our feedback on it.

529
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:27,480
Like, with everyone planting some of the

530
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,900
in the irrigation, easements, that's at their own risk.

531
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,840
As you understand it, you put it in,

532
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,880
the utility company needs to get in there, they'll tear it out,

533
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,420
and you get to put it in again.

534
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,360
Understanding that problem won't be you.

535
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:50,280
But it's at your own risk.

536
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,700
Let's say a problem with a retaining wall.

537
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:11,660
I do have a question I've seen a couple times, just a teeny math discrepancy between main

538
00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:19,240
level garage and mechanical 38.03 square feet, but the building footprint down in the calculation

539
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:27,140
is 3812, but it's 9 square feet different, so I'm just curious where the 9 square feet came from.

540
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:28,280
Yes.

541
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,320
So it may be someone's part of it.

542
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:44,380
I think sometimes part of it is a definitional calculation, but it could also just be plans that didn't get fully updated to match at certain points.

543
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,660
On the staff side, what we do is we will send the applicant team our definition of building

544
00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:55,380
footprint and say, you know, here's what we include, here's what we don't include.

545
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,900
And then we cross-reference with the plans to try to make sure that nothing is inadvertently

546
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:03,480
included or left out.

547
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,200
But usually when I encounter these discrepancies, it's because like the plan has been slightly

548
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,880
We changed on one sheet by the applicant team and then on you know what others chief that didn't get picked up

549
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:18,060
Okay either way it works

550
00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:18,880
just

551
00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:22,180
the amount of presentation report

552
00:44:29,730 --> 00:44:31,890
You're good with building height now

553
00:44:32,970 --> 00:44:33,610
The

554
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,860
comments on

555
00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:55,250
Building being faced with cedar sighting. I just want to emphasize to staff

556
00:44:56,090 --> 00:44:59,810
These fire-wise things are recommendations they're having.

557
00:45:00,620 --> 00:45:28,460
They're not law, we don't want a bunch of concrete building, or just pink stuff going in some valley anymore. So, I get concerned that they creep into requirements rather than encouragement. And we appreciate when an applicant pays attention to it. We're seeing a ton of it now.

558
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:44,500
way more buy-in by the applicants and maybe as Daniel says all the time, it's the insurance companies are eventually going to tell you what you can do, but I just want to make sure we're not trending to requirements.

559
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:44,700
Yes.

560
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:53,740
Absolutely. And I will note, I did, I highlighted things in red that maybe aren't.

561
00:45:54,260 --> 00:46:04,380
This is a problem that is denial-worthy, but it's just a thing to be noting just generally.

562
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:10,480
And they do still have, I, I determined to be substantial conformance with that provision.

563
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:19,440
So that's just the thing that if the base of the building were rock instead of cedar, maybe that would be less of an issue, but again, it's just a recommendation.

564
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,560
Be careful. You're dreading our real mid ground on the side of the table.

565
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:26,340
I'll watch out.

566
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:38,280
And our design standard, too, are we mixing our words with special sites versus things.

567
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,660
I mean, special sites have a specific meaning in our comp plan.

568
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:47,240
They're like the 9 or 11 that are in the city of Sun Valley.

569
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,720
But now it's kind of blending.

570
00:46:51,020 --> 00:46:51,720
I mean, they passed.

571
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,020
I just, you may read all their stuff.

572
00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:56,160
So I'm trying

573
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,360
to control F defined special sites so I can see it in the context of the

574
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:02,540
data.

575
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:19,660
Consideration to special sites or are we expanding special sites to be just language instead

576
00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:20,240
of a noun?

577
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:21,060
Right.

578
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:21,660
So yes.

579
00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:22,340
So good to make there.

580
00:47:22,420 --> 00:47:25,080
So I noticed this as well a little while ago now that I'm seeing it.

581
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,100
So we do have special sites as defined in our comp plan, those are things like the old

582
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:33,280
chair left, the view from Elkorn Hill, a lot of things in the resort.

583
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,340
This is just what our design criteria says.

584
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:41,620
This isn't something that has gone through a text amendment since I've been here.

585
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:45,420
So within the context of our design review code, it is broader.

586
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:52,760
It isn't just special sites, capital letters, it does have this broader language, special sites

587
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,540
of historical, natural, ecological, et cetera.

588
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:58,560
And then it says, including but not limited to those identified

589
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,300
in a comp plan.

590
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:00,700
So yeah, very subjective.

591
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:04,400
What's special to some is not special to someone else.

592
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:06,980
And I think the comp plan is really the ruling document here.

593
00:48:17,530 --> 00:48:20,350
So during the day on your address monument,

594
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:24,510
are we still black letters on a brown background?

595
00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:29,330
It looked like they had updated to black letters on like a light

596
00:48:29,330 --> 00:48:31,030
gray, which would be better.

597
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:45,610
I just, this one I know, because my neighbor across the street at 50 has black liners on, on cherry creeks, stone, and you wouldn't know his address number was even on there.

598
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:49,290
So, okay,

599
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:54,180
we got the

600
00:48:56,190 --> 00:48:58,130
other red ones bugging you guys.

601
00:48:58,130 --> 00:49:10,210
I think most will be cleaned up, would you need to see the lighting, landscape lighting added into the aluminum account?

602
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:11,710
There

603
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,200
are 8,100 of 90, 100, something of that.

604
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:22,400
Yeah, about 1,600 lumens to spare, I think.

605
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,420
Depends what those landscape pictures are at.

606
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:26,620
If they're 400, it's close.

607
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,960
Yeah, I do think it feels well under, so I can't see it.

608
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:39,120
Yeah, yeah, many idea what your landscape like, you know that kind of cut sheet they only have the

609
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,960
women's in a lot of the voltage there's not an account so we need to drop that.

610
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:49,420
It should be good that we can verify that.

611
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,980
So I architecturally...

612
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,940
So, I'm fine with a little eclectic. Some of the houses you were referencing as neighborhood houses, they're kind of fungly. So, just because they are, we don't need to make it a match, you can't tell. So, so I'm fine with a little eclecticity. You can throw cans out somewhere. I'm getting angry.

613
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:40,440
and that fire place outside is.

614
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:41,220
Yes.

615
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,500
Ken's favorite.

616
00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:44,920
Come on.

617
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,080
What

618
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:53,770
is SCOA?

619
00:50:54,810 --> 00:50:56,850
Special condition of a journal.

620
00:50:58,070 --> 00:51:01,390
Thank you for the clarification.

621
00:51:02,650 --> 00:51:04,110
You're asking him?

622
00:51:04,110 --> 00:51:04,530
Yes.

623
00:51:04,530 --> 00:51:05,230
for

624
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:12,120
the uploading,

625
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:24,950
commission give feedback as to the architectural compatibility of the chimneys with the structure as a whole.

626
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:39,650
Brittany and I, upon first letting me the plans, we thought the records made. The chimneys look particularly tall, especially in the prior version.

627
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:50,210
I think that's honestly just subjective architecturally, so that's why I said to defer to you, but also the new revision has

628
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:58,670
The caps on top of the genius a little more conservative. Oh, all right rather than the

629
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:59,970
Like swoopy ones

630
00:52:02,570 --> 00:52:07,510
Are the ones on these planets the elevations more the intended?

631
00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:11,910
Okay.

632
00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:16,100
Reduce and scale the thing.

633
00:52:19,220 --> 00:52:21,720
Just be a little hilt down at the end of the plane range.

634
00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:22,360
I

635
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,400
like this one. This one got a highlighted and circled to the limit to root.

636
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:33,660
New word?

637
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,440
Penetutive shrubs and perennials.

638
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:38,600
Nice.

639
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,480
That's that chatterclot.

640
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:43,900
So

641
00:52:46,590 --> 00:52:54,630
we did back up in over 20s with that Black Lives Matter, and we just had to mostly build groundwork.

642
00:52:59,980 --> 00:53:01,560
Britney Code Question.

643
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,520
We know the fire department in the squash dollar fund with outdoor fireplaces.

644
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:09,060
Yes. Since 2006.

645
00:53:09,620 --> 00:53:11,720
Yeah, solid, fuel.

646
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,400
What about barbecues?

647
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:22,440
single family homes, barbecues are permitted, multi-family, not. So in this context, any

648
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:28,180
foreign like a gas barbecue in multi-family is out? So I will let the fire

649
00:53:28,180 --> 00:53:31,420
court officials speak to this. It was highly controversial in the world of our

650
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:36,600
multi-family a couple summers ago. So I don't know all the details but I believe so.

651
00:53:36,600 --> 00:54:02,120
Oh, I think it was made these words by that, but I think it's more of that I believe like a fire code thing in terms of

652
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:08,680
with locating them, so it's not a problem with single-family homes, but it becomes really

653
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,460
hard to get around in multi-family unless you've got, I believe, like a sprinkler head on

654
00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:14,860
the deck where you're planning to get it.

655
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:21,600
Yeah.

656
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:31,520
It's a gas fire appliance, kaboom, but specifically the question, single-family, you can do a wood

657
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,020
burning barbecue.

658
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:36,800
Oh, so a charcoal barbecue or a smoker?

659
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:43,860
I believe charcoal is okay, and this is another one I would defer to read. I'm not sure about fire, you know,

660
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,600
Kind of people like to do some some like wood fired pizza

661
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,460
things, so I'm not sure I would defer to read entirely on that

662
00:55:00,530 --> 00:55:11,030
Okay, moving on to additionally the use of specialized paintwork coatings to enhance the

663
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:17,810
fire or ignition resistance of building materials. Do you have any idea what that is?

664
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:27,260
Sometimes wood will have a big pre-burn or something else to issue the amount.

665
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:32,660
I could talk to us about like an Intimacent Paint.

666
00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:34,200
That stuff sucks.

667
00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:34,500
Okay.

668
00:55:35,380 --> 00:55:39,200
So you can get products, actually, some of the winter infactors that actually pay more,

669
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:45,640
and they put like a coating on the wood that actually reduces the slimmability of it.

670
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:46,820
It's awful.

671
00:55:47,380 --> 00:55:48,400
You've got to hide it.

672
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,600
It's ugly.

673
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,040
It's not something you're going to put on your siding.

674
00:55:52,040 --> 00:56:00,260
It's got to be put behind some of our contextual clad and then cover the steel so you don't see that crap

675
00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:04,920
Okay

676
00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:13,680
And

677
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:24,980
what does fire-wise recommend for Windows is it dual-pain both pains tempered is that what that is?

678
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:30,100
Yeah, they're asking for everything to be tempered now and then like but now is it

679
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:31,500
Do they want both

680
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:37,100
Pains tempered or or when we say everything just every piece of glass and every piece of glass

681
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:44,640
It's not glasses with this or well not fire-wise. This is the fire-wise recommendations not a code

682
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:52,940
It's not a rule. We know the 18 inches within floor with a staircase. That's old, but it's just the recommendations

683
00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:56,940
It's not a, it's not a, not one of our codes that we have to look at.

684
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:57,620
Correct, yeah.

685
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:03,060
Yeah, we just, we put the advice of the fire department in our updated standards.

686
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:09,100
It's one of the encouraged and I think we even included language, let's see.

687
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,980
I thought we had written something in here about like where feasible, but I think where we landed

688
00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:22,360
was use of this dual-tempered pain glass is highly encouraged on all structures where

689
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,560
your vegetation is located within that zero to five zone.

690
00:57:26,060 --> 00:57:27,460
Yeah, it's on number four.

691
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:28,960
Is that the one you're looking at?

692
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:30,120
Yes, correct.

693
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,300
Page 11 of 17.

694
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,360
Yeah, so we started out with where feasible because our understanding is it's quite a bit

695
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,620
more expensive, so we're just encouraging it where it's feasible, but especially encouraging

696
00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:42,920
it if you're going to have landscaping right up against the house.

697
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,760
But again, not a regular toy code, not something that the state of Idaho has incorporated into

698
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,920
to filling code as a woo-ee code or something like that.

699
00:57:51,920 --> 00:58:00,680
And then what's that second part of that considering flat and tempered glass and non-combustible

700
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,440
attachment assemblies?

701
00:58:04,540 --> 00:58:10,920
What is that being an element of cloud that we assume that's considered non-combustible

702
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,000
and that's a way for a window?

703
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,760
No, I've got no problem with what you're doing.

704
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,160
I'm asking what we're asking.

705
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:26,020
Yeah, I sort of think that I believe it's asking just the rate of attachment to the window exterior to not have to be.

706
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:32,660
Gonna combust on the inside first, just put it that way.

707
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:36,460
Gonna get a raging fire on that, so I've glossed it's gonna combust on the inside.

708
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:47,100
Yeah, I just did not, if the fire department is trying to say, oh don't use waterproof tape around your windows, make sure your nails won't burn.

709
00:58:47,100 --> 00:58:52,660
I know Japanese, wooded out houses, I.

710
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:54,020
Yeah, yeah, so.

711
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:56,980
The stuff starts gaining a life of its own.

712
00:58:57,460 --> 00:58:57,540
Yep.

713
00:58:58,820 --> 00:59:01,320
One makes sure we understand what we're talking about.

714
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:01,820
Yes, yes.

715
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:07,100
In the conversation with Fire Department, primarily

716
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:08,320
if I could official read black.

717
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,580
And then we had some input on the technical language from our building

718
00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:15,420
official Brendan Campbell to make sure that terminology was accurate.

719
00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:25,360
But my understanding from read is that sometimes the windows are a point of failure when there is a wildfire that's turned into an urban conflagration point and so

720
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:31,760
Maybe your you know your envelope is standing up to that heat and that pressure

721
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,540
But it might fail at the window point and then when you've got the fire in your house

722
00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:44,940
So that really was his intent and it was you know, yeah the metal windows are the full assembly being made of fire resistant materials because

723
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:53,800
What good is jewel tempered pain glass if it's in a kind of lesser assembly that will be the failure of pain?

724
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,760
Yeah, so that's why I'm on this section of criteria.

725
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:27,220
We often ask the architects who are submitting to, you know, we kind of, in our first round of plan review comments, we'll often try to ask them to speak to this if they're including any of these features. Because on the staff side, this is not something we can pick up from rendering. And then, you know, with the construction details that were included with this plan set, that's also not something on the staff side, you know, we are not very familiar with that.

726
01:00:44,540 --> 01:00:47,700
We're going to get into that last point is like the venting and the resistance

727
01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:52,740
screening like Ken was saying with those gable vents we've seen how they're

728
01:00:52,740 --> 01:00:58,360
doing the the air you know you've got to get obviously get enough air through to

729
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:05,120
vent your gables but there's the ember screens yeah it's almost like on the end

730
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:10,260
of your two ends to get that flow if you're doing it the way I don't know we

731
01:01:10,260 --> 01:01:10,900
We just didn't see it.

732
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:11,940
That's what we had.

733
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:13,340
Only saw the chance.

734
01:01:13,740 --> 01:01:17,100
And then there will be a dry event which will have a screen.

735
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:18,000
Yep.

736
01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:20,620
And then you're going to have your Boston now.

737
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:20,880
Yeah.

738
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:27,720
Just kind of keep that in mind that when Reed walks around and goes, oh, I'm like, mention that

739
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,600
in the staff reporter number seven.

740
01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:38,480
Well, the screens that the fire department were happy with, the amber screens make me nervous

741
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,960
from a performance point of view of getting enough air flow.

742
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:46,300
Exactly because it's the fine metal mesh.

743
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:47,960
Tainless debris.

744
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,940
So you're having to do an even bigger, right, right?

745
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,140
You're starting to get this instead of, you know,

746
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:57,000
what was this, I mean, you're getting more,

747
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,520
because you got more surface area,

748
01:01:58,700 --> 01:02:00,280
and we should go more air coming through.

749
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,280
Yeah, and I don't know that we've found

750
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,720
a happy meeting in there. I know what Reed wants and agree with it when he

751
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,420
looked at wildfires and how structure burns but what we're gonna have more of his

752
01:02:14,420 --> 01:02:20,480
ice stands and pour flow and more damage caused by that here until the

753
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:25,060
ripper comes through. Right. So we're having a chemical hunting so a forced error

754
01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:29,140
that's blowing through consistently but they haven't really got there yet.

755
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:44,280
So, so I bring it up more as a discussion point because I don't know what the answer is yet that just I was always more in our is better keep the squirrels out.

756
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:54,900
Now it's a little more than that and I don't know which going to run up against but you need to invent that thing.

757
01:03:10,110 --> 01:03:20,080
So that varietal of Aspen will sucker number five on page 14, 17, all

758
01:03:25,070 --> 01:03:25,770
in hand, are

759
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:40,430
they Swedish

760
01:03:41,710 --> 01:03:50,110
And you need to add training for the Fire Department Academy, pick up your feet, don't trip over the roofs.

761
01:03:52,790 --> 01:03:57,790
You know, we have heavy food set 2 a.m. in the morning.

762
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:59,230
Can I walk through my yard?

763
01:03:59,790 --> 01:04:00,550
My thousand husbands?

764
01:04:00,750 --> 01:04:01,050
I know.

765
01:04:02,070 --> 01:04:04,250
So, again, this,

766
01:04:07,550 --> 01:04:14,930
what actually got put into the ordinance was a recommendation, not correct,

767
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:15,190
Correct.

768
01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:25,750
Have any member have any trouble problems or council member had problems with the

769
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:25,910
secretary?

770
01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:27,430
The neighbor?

771
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:28,690
No.

772
01:04:29,010 --> 01:04:29,590
The council member.

773
01:04:29,930 --> 01:04:31,190
But the neighbor was occurring?

774
01:04:31,450 --> 01:04:31,690
Yeah.

775
01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:32,870
That's what it was.

776
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:34,510
I think that's what it was.

777
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:37,410
So.

778
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:40,930
Yeah.

779
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,160
Bottom right.

780
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:51,600
about the fancy in the wall, we're all good with that, just hold it and stone, free

781
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,700
all don't value engineers out there.

782
01:05:00,140 --> 01:05:13,640
Is the beautiful utility screening wall finished on both sides? It's done on one side, green studs on the other.

783
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,080
Did we ever figure out the height of that utility fence?

784
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:28,500
Yeah.

785
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:31,240
We pointed it out in the trollations of your numbers.

786
01:05:31,620 --> 01:05:32,140
No worries.

787
01:05:33,580 --> 01:05:34,080
Hey there.

788
01:05:34,420 --> 01:05:34,960
He doesn't work.

789
01:05:35,380 --> 01:05:39,220
If it needs to go higher than four to screen your utilities, do it.

790
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:39,680
You're good.

791
01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:40,560
Oh, sorry.

792
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:41,780
No, it is higher than four.

793
01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:43,460
I was talking about the address.

794
01:05:43,740 --> 01:05:44,080
Yeah.

795
01:05:52,810 --> 01:06:01,610
But if you need more to conceal, how about a, I mean, it's a beautiful, you know, problems with that.

796
01:06:01,610 --> 01:06:06,730
that lining we talked about and it's updated, submitted.

797
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:24,860
What is the flavor of the commission on doing what we want to go through and

798
01:06:24,860 --> 01:06:32,400
craft these and approve and let staff look at it, do we want to go through these craft them,

799
01:06:33,380 --> 01:06:36,160
continue and let staff, what do you guys want to do?

800
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:45,040
I think just since they just got these, have them go over to their analysis, clean up all the red, clean up all the conditions, special conditions, whatever we need.

801
01:06:45,140 --> 01:06:49,360
And then we just go to the next meeting, so I'll continue it forward.

802
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,020
Just to make sure we're across the T's out in the eyes.

803
01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:59,520
From the exact perspective, I think we've covered all the points, venting, it'd be nice to see just an elevation with the Boston real quick.

804
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,120
Or if I had that height and everything else, but I have no problems with the design.

805
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,140
Layout, I think everything looks good.

806
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:08,880
So it's more of just a paperwork cleanup.

807
01:07:09,260 --> 01:07:09,900
The way to get done.

808
01:07:10,060 --> 01:07:11,240
I can support that.

809
01:07:13,820 --> 01:07:19,740
I had a question about special condition 9, the correct property address.

810
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,100
Did you have the wrong address?

811
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,960
The most of the pages said the wrong address.

812
01:07:27,170 --> 01:07:28,090
was the oldest.

813
01:07:30,370 --> 01:07:32,670
The pages on the wrong hand are important.

814
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:35,230
It had 39 west.

815
01:07:37,070 --> 01:07:38,230
That is 39.

816
01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:39,710
What is this?

817
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:41,370
Oh, sorry.

818
01:07:41,870 --> 01:07:43,150
It's probably the time to get there.

819
01:07:43,330 --> 01:07:44,010
It could be south.

820
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:45,970
Yeah, it should be south.

821
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:47,570
Yeah, it should be south.

822
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:50,930
And honestly, there are no duplicate numbers.

823
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:51,650
It's stupid.

824
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:54,250
And if I really want to be cranky about it,

825
01:07:54,250 --> 01:07:59,590
but it's platted as Lane Ranch Road East and Lane Ranch Road West.

826
01:08:00,170 --> 01:08:07,730
Some buddy in E911 decided to change it to East Lane Ranch and West Lane Ranch.

827
01:08:08,090 --> 01:08:09,710
What about you?

828
01:08:09,850 --> 01:08:10,750
Who's the fart button?

829
01:08:12,110 --> 01:08:12,290
No.

830
01:08:12,850 --> 01:08:13,410
Who'll find it?

831
01:08:13,690 --> 01:08:14,570
Yeah, go find it.

832
01:08:14,810 --> 01:08:15,070
Keep going.

833
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:15,910
Just keep going.

834
01:08:16,670 --> 01:08:19,450
I can't read that one because it doesn't contrast.

835
01:08:19,450 --> 01:08:22,050
So must we note that one business on the bar?

836
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:22,530
Yeah.

837
01:08:24,310 --> 01:08:25,030
OK.

838
01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:32,350
We're providing analysis, guest, parking, soft events,

839
01:08:33,270 --> 01:08:36,130
and staff who's collected anything else.

840
01:08:36,990 --> 01:08:39,430
Some of it's gone away with this.

841
01:08:40,010 --> 01:08:44,990
And some of it needs to be organized motion.

842
01:08:45,950 --> 01:08:46,310
Yeah.

843
01:08:49,450 --> 01:08:56,890
Let's add move to continue the public hearing for review of DR 2026-56 to the certainty of October 8th, 2026.

844
01:08:59,040 --> 01:08:59,680
Second.

845
01:09:00,260 --> 01:09:00,800
All in favor?

846
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:01,700
Hi.

847
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:02,080
Hi.

848
01:09:05,290 --> 01:09:05,930
Joe.

849
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:08,330
I think we did that.

850
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:11,440
Joe.

851
01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:14,240
We have a vote.

852
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:15,420
Yes.

853
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:27,850
Yes.

854
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:28,670
Okay.

855
01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:30,270
Carries unanimous.

856
01:09:30,450 --> 01:09:30,630
Yes.

857
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:35,290
And Joe couldn't get his coffee money for this meeting.

858
01:09:35,290 --> 01:09:39,870
so that's good. Thank you. I have

859
01:09:52,830 --> 01:09:59,910
two on the agenda. ZTA 2026-01 direction from planning.

860
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,660
May I may in zoning, pursuant to somebody code regarding a potential zone code amendment,

861
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:13,040
to amendment, minimum setback requirements in residential districts, continued from our

862
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:19,600
August 27th meeting staff, little introduction before we engage the applicant.

863
01:10:20,180 --> 01:10:25,300
Sure, and I'll, we have no members of the public on Zoom but Joe, so you can hear me through

864
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:27,820
the meeting, I'll give a brief overview.

865
01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:34,360
So as noted in the code, we do not have a process in some valley where an applicant can

866
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:39,300
just directly apply for a zoning code text amendment, which is something I haven't encountered

867
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:39,740
before.

868
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,260
I think it's a little atypical.

869
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:47,540
So that said, our process is that a potential applicant first has a pre-application conference

870
01:10:47,540 --> 01:10:48,100
with staff.

871
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:54,620
Then staff brings forward an analysis in a public hearing setting to the Planning and Zoning

872
01:10:54,620 --> 01:11:00,460
commission and then the commission at that point can say basically go or no go with

873
01:11:00,460 --> 01:11:05,420
that potential text amendment application. If the commission feels there's some merit

874
01:11:05,420 --> 01:11:10,580
or merit worth exploring or that you know there's some good points there that kind of

875
01:11:10,580 --> 01:11:15,020
thing the commission can say yes applicant you can now proceed with the formal text amendment

876
01:11:15,020 --> 01:11:22,920
application. So with this in particular as kind of noted in the staff report this potential

877
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:29,040
text amendment, really the kind of the broad topic relates to structures with non-conforming

878
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:35,620
setbacks and particularly structures with non-conforming setbacks on lots that are more narrow

879
01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:41,380
than we typically see in Sun Valley. So this in particular pertains to Sunrise where as

880
01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:47,100
kind of briefly touched on in the staff report, a structure that already had a non-conforming

881
01:11:47,100 --> 01:11:53,760
setback kind of inadvertently made their structure more non-conforming through an extension

882
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,980
of roof eaves that was intended to kind of solve an issue with the building itself.

883
01:11:58,940 --> 01:12:03,820
So on the staff side that came to our attention, we've been working, I would say, really, really

884
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:06,680
well with representation for the property owner.

885
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:12,040
To first and foremost, try to figure out, is there even an issue here with setbacks or not?

886
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:24,880
The property owner did have that verified through a survey that did indicate, yes, the structure which was already nonconforming in terms of setbacks became more nonconforming.

887
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:34,600
So, one option is unbuild something, another option is potentially try to change the code

888
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:41,600
through a targeted tax amendment that would allow this going forward.

889
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:47,180
On the staff side, I've talked with, I guess I'd call the potential applicant on behalf

890
01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:53,920
of the property owner, about what this tax amendment could potentially look like, and kind

891
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:59,220
One of the natural thought, at least on the staff side, was that a narrow text amendment

892
01:12:59,220 --> 01:13:05,480
permitting roof ease for these structures that are already non-conforming, allowing those

893
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:07,880
to encroach further and a non-conforming setback.

894
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,040
As the commission might recall, and I don't think I detailed this in the staff report, but

895
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:18,600
a couple of years back we did have an application for a variance over in sunrise to believe

896
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:25,020
we've created a mudroom and that would have created a more non-conforming setback and so

897
01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:26,200
that variance was denied.

898
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:31,960
So this was again a couple of years ago before the policy expires in the world of city planning

899
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:37,540
when we're in school, you know, it's really, we're really taught like narrow lots, building

900
01:13:37,540 --> 01:13:44,100
social together, density, these are all good things and so, so isn't being able to improve

901
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:45,760
and enhance your property over time.

902
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,940
So a couple of years ago in that, when that variance came up on the staff side, I thought,

903
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:54,740
maybe there's something we could do in our code going forward that would really facilitate

904
01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:59,580
the sunrise neighborhood or the other kind of smattering few and far between homes that

905
01:13:59,580 --> 01:14:03,500
have the nonconforming setbacks to make these enhancements over time.

906
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:05,620
Our code doesn't currently allow it.

907
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:12,960
As the commission is familiar, our code currently does allow a nonconforming setback to be extended

908
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:19,940
vertically along the same plane or horizontally along the same plane, which is fairly generous

909
01:14:19,940 --> 01:14:26,520
in terms of code standards, but we just don't have a mechanism or any other type of special

910
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:33,620
review or waiver process in the code right now that would allow these one-off reviews of situations

911
01:14:33,620 --> 01:14:41,700
like that. All of that said, as I sat down with the fire department to talk through this situation

912
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:46,900
and the potential code amendment, and also sat down with the building code official on the

913
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:52,780
building side of things in terms of building code, the building official's feedback was

914
01:14:52,780 --> 01:14:58,280
like this is essentially neutral, like it's not a code concern, Idaho code allows single

915
01:14:58,280 --> 01:14:59,860
family homes to come as close.

916
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,900
This is like three feet to the property line through some sort of amendment Idaho code made. So not a grave concern on the building side, neutral. On the fire department side, though, keeping in keeping with all of our fire wise things we've been doing, but also just general life, safety, fire fighting operations and the angle of the ladder and how closer structures together and fire moving from structure to structure, allowing structures, allowing, I guess,

917
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:34,540
Yes, more than just one structure in Sun Valley to pursue something like this is not something

918
01:15:34,540 --> 01:15:35,420
that they recommend.

919
01:15:36,220 --> 01:15:41,800
So kind of long story short on the staff side, this kind of initial thought of, well,

920
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,340
could we perhaps craft a text amendment that allows roof overhangs to encroach further

921
01:15:47,340 --> 01:15:53,960
to property line as a solve here, that approach, that strategy is not recommended by the fire

922
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,520
department and on the community development side, you know, as much as I love planning

923
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:01,720
and walkability and density and improving your property, life safety really is important

924
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,560
as well.

925
01:16:02,940 --> 01:16:07,540
And so that was essentially the conclusion of the staff report is that kind of as initially

926
01:16:07,540 --> 01:16:13,800
thought of, there's not a staff recommendation to bring that forward, but perhaps through

927
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:20,640
a conversation with the PNZ today, there could be some other creative things that emerge from

928
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:21,400
conversation.

929
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:27,280
Should the commission feel like this is a route to potentially solve this issue that's already

930
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:34,280
occurred. So all of that said, one of the reasons why summarize is the way it is is because

931
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:41,100
at some point in time, our code allowed through a conditional use permit structures to seek

932
01:16:41,500 --> 01:16:45,800
a smaller setback than code allowed. So we didn't require it through a variance. We just

933
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:50,060
we had it as some sort of process through the conditional use permit. So that's kind of

934
01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:55,240
why you see what you see there. It is also a plan unit development. I have not been able

935
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,860
to locate anything other than the planned unit development

936
01:16:57,860 --> 01:16:58,240
plan.

937
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,100
So I have no idea what the thinking was at the time.

938
01:17:01,860 --> 01:17:04,420
But in prior staff research, that's where I came across

939
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,560
these, at least one kind of conditional use permit

940
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,920
where an allowance was given for a structure

941
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,560
to have a smaller setback than code allow.

942
01:17:15,380 --> 01:17:18,640
So again, there might be some other ways to go about this.

943
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,160
And I also do believe that there will be other circumstances

944
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:28,760
is that come up in the city that we can't foresee where maybe a little bit of relief

945
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:35,620
is would be helpful to the property owner and not a grave life safety threat, but currently,

946
01:17:35,860 --> 01:17:40,880
as the commission knows, our routes are you ask for a variance before you do something,

947
01:17:41,180 --> 01:17:46,120
and that has a very narrow set of criteria, or you're just kind of stuck with what the code says,

948
01:17:46,380 --> 01:17:51,120
like those are the two options. You're bound by the code, or potential you can seek relief through

949
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:59,400
reverence due to conditions of the site that aren't the fault of the owner, et cetera,

950
01:17:59,540 --> 01:17:59,840
et cetera.

951
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,300
So that's the purpose of the discussion.

952
01:18:02,620 --> 01:18:04,680
We have Dave Petrie from Goline of Benchmark here.

953
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:05,660
He can elaborate more.

954
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,720
I did talk with Dave last week, I think, right as I was finalizing the staff report.

955
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:15,500
I don't know if he's had a chance to brainstorm other creative ideas, but I'm happy to turn it

956
01:18:15,500 --> 01:18:19,840
over to Dave to further elaborate on any additional thoughts.

957
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:20,420
Thank

958
01:18:28,230 --> 01:18:28,690
you, Brittany.

959
01:18:29,230 --> 01:18:32,990
For the record, my name is David Patri with Galena Benchmark Engineering.

960
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:39,650
And I guess I'm a potential applicant, under Sun Valley City Code.

961
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:44,570
Also with me is Jeff Kaiser, and thank you for the summary of that.

962
01:18:44,770 --> 01:18:47,370
I'm going to go back a little bit further and

963
01:18:47,370 --> 01:18:50,770
characterize this whole thing as a problem-solving exercise.

964
01:18:50,770 --> 01:18:50,930
Yes,

965
01:18:53,010 --> 01:18:58,110
Jeff was the contractor on a home in sunrise doing a new roof.

966
01:18:58,670 --> 01:19:05,950
There was a problem in that the eaves didn't overhang enough, drip came down into the wall.

967
01:19:06,850 --> 01:19:12,110
He solved that problem by extending the roof eaves.

968
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:18,230
As Brittany explained, there's a whole bunch of non-conforming setback conditions already.

969
01:19:18,230 --> 01:19:27,750
in the Sunrise Neighborhood, and so the extension of those eaves made what was already a building

970
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:30,910
that was within the 10-foot setback, more non-conforming.

971
01:19:32,210 --> 01:19:37,790
Probably never would have been considered by anybody except that a neighbor, I think,

972
01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:45,730
complained, and this is where Gleena Benchmark became involved because we were asked to then

973
01:19:45,730 --> 01:19:50,030
and measure the extents of the non-conformity.

974
01:19:50,710 --> 01:19:58,150
So we went and for the Kaiser's and measured, you know,

975
01:19:58,570 --> 01:19:59,970
established the law line.

976
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:12,840
And measured where the eve is now, where the existing wall is. We presented that information to the community development department, I was going to call you the planning department, sorry.

977
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:28,340
And, and then pretty determined, okay, there was a nonconforming condition. But the extension of the eaves, which somebody noticed has made it more nonconforming. So.

978
01:20:28,340 --> 01:20:39,020
So we went into a brainstorming way of how do we make this an acceptable non-conforming

979
01:20:39,020 --> 01:20:41,340
condition or what has to be done.

980
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:50,820
And so we went through variants and because of variants is super specific and has a requirement

981
01:20:50,820 --> 01:20:57,600
that the condition that is being varied from is not of the applicant's own doing.

982
01:20:58,500 --> 01:21:05,720
We decided that we wouldn't pursue that because that would put you guys in a tough position to make that type of a finding.

983
01:21:07,020 --> 01:21:12,380
And so we looked at some other things that are in the code.

984
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:19,440
I will bring that up as I get into Brittany alluded that I may have been able to do some more brainstorming.

985
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:29,700
I didn't really come up with anything new, but maybe now that this option isn't as desirable

986
01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:38,700
as we once thought it was, we may go back to it and that is the determination in one

987
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:41,260
of the code or an interpretation of one of the code sections.

988
01:21:41,260 --> 01:21:43,800
But so that's a background.

989
01:21:44,980 --> 01:21:51,000
If we've got questions on more detail on how we got here, Jeff is the person to answer those.

990
01:21:52,020 --> 01:21:58,320
We became involved when they called and said, the city's looking for real numbers and

991
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,240
we're hiring you guys to give us some real numbers.

992
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:11,000
So really, what it looks like if you were to assume that the roof overhang was flush with

993
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:19,200
the wall, and I don't know if it was prior to, we've measured now is that that is,

994
01:22:20,100 --> 01:22:24,580
that roof overhang now is 1.9 feet beyond the wall.

995
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:30,940
So, the extent of the additional encroachment is either that or something less.

996
01:22:31,820 --> 01:22:36,900
Because certainly the roof didn't, wasn't shorter than the wall.

997
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:43,280
Oh, okay, I wasn't sure if you had this, Brittany, but this is the document that we provided

998
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:48,740
to the city where on the left hand side is the area in question.

999
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:54,440
And so that line there is the wall, the existing wall.

1000
01:22:54,740 --> 01:22:58,380
That has not been altered, that's been there since it was constructed.

1001
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:04,800
And then the eve is the dotted line to the left, and that is what we measured.

1002
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:11,420
And those are the distances from the property line to adjacent to a lot 13.

1003
01:23:13,540 --> 01:23:20,140
So that's the extent of the nonconformity or the increase in nonconformity that we're looking at.

1004
01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:27,740
So Brittany and I took variants off the table because we didn't want to put the commission in a spot.

1005
01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:30,860
And we didn't want to set ourselves up for failure either.

1006
01:23:30,860 --> 01:23:40,280
And so, I apologize because this is very atypical for an applicant not to be able to bring a text amendment.

1007
01:23:40,620 --> 01:23:56,040
So, I guess we're in a spot now where we're asking the commission if they want to consider a text amendment that would permit or allow, and we don't have the actual language for this yet.

1008
01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:01,300
I think that language would develop if you decided you wanted to pursue this.

1009
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:16,200
We could try to write a text amendment that would be as tight as possible to mitigate any of the concerns on the public safety side of things and fire in particular.

1010
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:24,120
I think a lot of this is germane to some of the discussion that you had in the last application

1011
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,780
that you heard asking how you're going to vent roofs, et cetera, et cetera.

1012
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,980
This is the problem that was being solved that created the condition as to why we're here

1013
01:24:31,980 --> 01:24:32,700
today.

1014
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,700
And I think everyone that's on the commission understands that.

1015
01:24:39,860 --> 01:24:50,760
So, really what we're looking at is less than a two-foot increase in the nonconformity.

1016
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,220
It was inadvertently done.

1017
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:59,820
I think the other thing that we want to highlight in here and it's in the staff report.

1018
01:25:00,270 --> 01:25:30,250
Is that other properties in the neighborhood have been permitted to do exactly what's been done here. It was done under a different, under different city code, and it's no longer allowed. And so what we're seeking, whether it be through this text amendment or some other mechanism in the code, is to allow this property to do the same thing that's been done on other properties.

1019
01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:39,870
And that could possibly fit in a variance window and maybe the weight on that would overcome

1020
01:25:39,870 --> 01:25:50,870
the requirement in a variance that it not be a condition created by the applicant.

1021
01:25:51,610 --> 01:25:57,710
So I think we are going to ask to take the commission's temperature on a variance.

1022
01:25:57,710 --> 01:26:27,590
And if the fact that other homeowners have been afforded an opportunity to do exactly what this person does if that helps the variance argument, the other avenue that we might pursue is on page two in the staff report on that in that code section 9.

1023
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:38,930
one B2C1. There is a provision in there that says that non-conforming building shall

1024
01:26:38,930 --> 01:26:43,210
not be in large or extended so as to increase the non-conformity and then there's an exception.

1025
01:26:43,710 --> 01:26:47,750
Except that, the non-conforming setbacks may be extended vertically or horizontally,

1026
01:26:48,430 --> 01:26:52,350
subject to an approved design review application and the following criteria.

1027
01:26:55,660 --> 01:26:56,980
The vertically

1028
01:26:56,980 --> 01:27:07,360
and horizontally has historically been a, not an increased setback the way Brittany explained that.

1029
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:16,220
When I first looked at it, I thought that it was, it was pretty easy to certainly demonstrate that we're

1030
01:27:16,220 --> 01:27:24,120
meeting subsection B there, that we maintain the existing plane because we're not moving the wall.

1031
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:32,660
And then A seem to be subjective to me, and that would be up to the commission to make a determination on whether it noticeably impacts the property.

1032
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:53,720
What Brittany explained to me is rather than having that horizontally going towards the setback, it would be horizontally continuing the plane of the wall, whereas if you go back to that exhibit, filling in that notch would be something that fell under that.

1033
01:27:53,720 --> 01:28:02,740
but not going towards the other property to the, let's say that's the West.

1034
01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:06,280
I don't know where the North Arrow is on that in the way that's oriented.

1035
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:18,360
But so that's another consideration that we talked about with Brittany and what this approved design review application might look like.

1036
01:28:19,060 --> 01:28:22,500
And that's when she said, you know, maybe we do a tax amendment.

1037
01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:27,180
because this condition exists for more than just this one property.

1038
01:28:29,410 --> 01:28:38,860
With input from fire, it appears that staff in May and possibly the commission isn't willing to go with the text amendment route.

1039
01:28:39,380 --> 01:28:43,280
So we do need to find a solution to this conundrum that we're in.

1040
01:28:44,620 --> 01:28:50,620
So broadening the definition of that exception could be a consideration.

1041
01:28:50,620 --> 01:28:56,740
and we would also like to take the commission's temperature on a variance on how we might

1042
01:28:58,750 --> 01:29:11,890
have the city work with this applicant to remedy this non-conforming condition or at least make it an acceptable non-conforming condition.

1043
01:29:13,630 --> 01:29:37,130
And if I could, I could keep talking, but I probably keep saying the same thing just in a different way, I don't know that this is how formal in what the procedure is because generally we have a presentation and then we have public comment and we have question and answer and because this is kind of a unique situation in which we're not even really an applicant yet.

1044
01:29:37,130 --> 01:29:44,310
that I'm going to stop talking and see what you guys come up with.

1045
01:29:45,850 --> 01:29:47,830
What's the HUA saying about this?

1046
01:29:48,490 --> 01:29:50,850
Obviously they have their HUA correct?

1047
01:29:51,450 --> 01:29:51,990
Like for that?

1048
01:29:52,710 --> 01:29:58,310
Has there been any HUA involvement that you're aware of?

1049
01:29:58,650 --> 01:29:59,690
Geoff, here you go.

1050
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,880
Just identify yourself when you speak.

1051
01:30:05,470 --> 01:30:05,890
In

1052
01:30:33,020 --> 01:30:38,280
the thing, yes, we out of Boston

1053
01:30:47,080 --> 01:31:07,160
house, maybe two thirds of the house and other places they had, you know, kind of tacked on two or two, or two or six at the side, being able to watch and then try to do it in the house, which is covered with each date. Then we've applied the new owner buys the house and goes looking for answers. And so we have

1054
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:14,340
that I, you know, solid phone in the room that left out, like a three or four inch, you know,

1055
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:21,820
space and that vanity, talking about him and now he has a fully great set of works, yeah,

1056
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:29,120
works. To my knowledge, we haven't had any contact with the HOA. I don't know if the city has.

1057
01:31:29,420 --> 01:31:35,860
I think that'd be a good one to do, right? To get everyone, like, let them control the temperature

1058
01:31:35,860 --> 01:31:41,620
with everyone here, right? I think we had one of these ones come through and we had like

1059
01:31:42,140 --> 01:31:47,900
three or four neighbors, you know, I think a lost one. It's just because they didn't like

1060
01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:53,220
what they were doing with them, you know, pretty much. There's a couple of things you see that we got,

1061
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:58,040
you know, you're talking about snow removal, stuff falls off the roof, out of between, now both

1062
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:03,240
properties get water towards the base of their foundation, and most of those are wood or something

1063
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:04,160
all the way down, right?

1064
01:32:06,540 --> 01:32:10,180
Second, you know, when Brittany's talking about urban density and

1065
01:32:10,180 --> 01:32:13,960
walkability and you know, you look at those neighborhoods and boys where the houses are

1066
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:17,940
touching, you know, but they have easements on each other's properties and the developers set

1067
01:32:17,940 --> 01:32:24,080
them up that way to build closer. But when we talk about urban density, it's like you've got to build

1068
01:32:24,540 --> 01:32:29,760
firewalls. You know, when we build in town, you have a firewall right there that should your

1069
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:30,940
your neighbors how to catch on fire.

1070
01:32:31,140 --> 01:32:34,560
Your wall is more resistant to catching on fire.

1071
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,480
And you don't have to use sucking up air in embers

1072
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:38,100
that are gonna now catch your house on fire.

1073
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:42,400
So it's not just a, yeah, it's not just a,

1074
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:43,960
have we wanna push this out further

1075
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,160
but it's consideration to how we take care of them

1076
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,140
where you're coming off and how do we take care

1077
01:32:48,140 --> 01:32:49,960
of safety on the other side of it.

1078
01:32:50,740 --> 01:32:53,160
It's only you can only do a roof within two feet

1079
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,040
of a property line and then four feet of that roof up

1080
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,100
has to be non combustible plywood.

1081
01:32:58,100 --> 01:33:03,280
Yeah, you know the orange the orange sheeding stuff that you see. Yeah, and if you have like a

1082
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:08,920
Well, that's the different the building code to right because when you're building this it's kind of as a single-family home

1083
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,920
So it's a different building categories and if you're building up

1084
01:33:12,420 --> 01:33:15,240
Multi-family or even a townhouse with a firewall in the

1085
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:23,280
15 feet. It's got to be one hour. Yeah, you'd have to you'd have to jump up if you're gonna get closer. I think you have to jump up in a building code

1086
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:33,260
So it could also be taken care of with the mutual easement between the two neighbors instead

1087
01:33:33,260 --> 01:33:33,980
of a text amendment.

1088
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:40,320
You can go to the picture of this now.

1089
01:33:41,340 --> 01:33:51,300
So is this what was there or does that line represent existing or new?

1090
01:33:51,300 --> 01:33:59,240
this line the dash the dash one that's the overhang but did you extend all of the

1091
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:07,540
eaves to get venting in or am I looking at old versus new we

1092
01:34:10,580 --> 01:34:11,960
excited it

1093
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:17,140
makes

1094
01:34:17,140 --> 01:34:22,780
sense some of it was already like the right hand for the two right hand

1095
01:34:22,780 --> 01:34:27,640
cop-outs on the right side. Again, that whole side of the house has a really

1096
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:33,040
common on idea. That's the shitty side facing East, I guess. A

1097
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:37,960
funky left

1098
01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:41,880
-hand

1099
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:45,800
south corner there. That already had a little common on thing there.

1100
01:34:48,730 --> 01:34:49,670
Instead, we put

1101
01:34:49,670 --> 01:34:55,770
a tail on and then allow for, you know, what we put in on one. A one by four,

1102
01:34:59,310 --> 01:34:59,970
a one

1103
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:28,350
That's how big, you know what I mean? It's the most minimal kind of eve, it's still events. So is this existing? This is near-map aerial photography from 2024 before the project occurred. And then this is 2025 aerial photography. So it's no clip or gutted. No gutters.

1104
01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:35,780
I mean, we still see it.

1105
01:35:35,780 --> 01:35:43,360
So, you know, snow clips always don't want help, but then you get the whole snow coming over the, you know, the wind red coming over.

1106
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:46,360
I mean, half-compet happens to my house too.

1107
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:52,420
It just, you get those snow wind blown effects and they come around and they start hanging off the side.

1108
01:35:52,940 --> 01:35:53,080
I

1109
01:35:58,390 --> 01:36:03,310
guess I assume that it has snow clips because...

1110
01:36:08,010 --> 01:36:08,130
No.

1111
01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:10,170
Typically, they only put them over...

1112
01:36:10,710 --> 01:36:12,010
Coe is only the doorways.

1113
01:36:12,010 --> 01:36:14,550
But what

1114
01:36:24,060 --> 01:36:28,220
about down to design review or a variance with some conditions to

1115
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:34,540
Hey, you got to pull the water away from the property line dripping off. You got to put some snowclips out there

1116
01:36:34,540 --> 01:36:41,260
To prevent everything keeping on your property. I think that it could be a

1117
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:49,740
Your was something like a drip. Yeah, there's a gutter. It almost needs to have like a French train in the ground. It's taking it

1118
01:36:50,220 --> 01:36:52,880
I mean, some gutters, probably gutters.

1119
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:59,820
He's a gutter, you got to use the gutter, but it could be considered a hardship based

1120
01:36:59,820 --> 01:37:05,120
on the size of the lots, the current construction where it was built back in 1977 or whenever

1121
01:37:06,860 --> 01:37:12,100
and modern day building constraints to get proper ventilation and everything else.

1122
01:37:15,980 --> 01:37:19,380
Because if I think we open the door to everybody doing it, then everybody just doesn't.

1123
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:27,740
And we, you know, it's got more fire hazard than everything else too, and I think that would be a safety issue for the city.

1124
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:40,320
But if constructed right, then with the right fire mitigation and water mitigation and everything else,

1125
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:40,880
the

1126
01:37:50,860 --> 01:37:54,160
minimum relief that you need to really protect the property.

1127
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:54,780
We

1128
01:38:09,530 --> 01:38:10,610
made money on number three.

1129
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:14,040
That's easy.

1130
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:20,260
If you do things like controlling the water and controlling the drainage,

1131
01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:40,360
I'm just thinking about that wicking, you know, candlestick, candlestick, you know, house

1132
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:40,960
to house house.

1133
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:48,060
The reason why you won, the step-axe, the way it is, I think it's on page, stuff important.

1134
01:38:48,060 --> 01:38:55,420
You know, like they say, they talk up to five feet because it has to be minimal.

1135
01:38:55,720 --> 01:39:01,080
I mean, is there other houses that are disclosed in there, at least the two closest houses?

1136
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:02,520
No, the whole neighborhood.

1137
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:07,760
I mean, if you wanted to just say, you'd say, none of the houses, man, all of the houses eat down.

1138
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:14,520
They're all at the same property lines or proximity will say, roof to roof, e to e.

1139
01:39:15,180 --> 01:39:20,980
I mean, it's a very cookie cutter, it's the first neighborhood you know in Elkhorn,

1140
01:39:21,260 --> 01:39:27,360
it's Deb C, it's just on and on and on and on and on about how do you, how do you,

1141
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:31,760
through these doubts, you cannot bet these truths without knowing what I did, you cannot,

1142
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:41,960
it's not possible. So, so what's your total projection from the wall? 1.9, 1.6, 1.9.

1143
01:39:44,740 --> 01:39:51,380
It's less than 20 inches, I mean I would say it's 17, 15, 15 to 17 inches from the wall.

1144
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,200
And then if you were to put a gutter on that, you know, it's one of those six, you know,

1145
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:55,960
like that's the whole thing.

1146
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:57,520
But the gutter's not flamboyant.

1147
01:39:58,340 --> 01:39:58,660
I know.

1148
01:40:01,580 --> 01:40:07,100
Actually, it improves, you know, it comes out what the forage gutter still improves that. What,

1149
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:22,740
what we have over here. It's not that understood, but is it like this relationship? I'll give it that in your mouth.

1150
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:36,200
You get close to the same situation. Closer than this one. Yeah, this one. So this one, because it's all different stuff.

1151
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:40,160
So

1152
01:40:55,930 --> 01:40:58,850
that's a measure from the foundation, not from the roof overhand?

1153
01:40:59,090 --> 01:40:59,390
Yes.

1154
01:41:00,490 --> 01:41:06,330
And then, yeah, and then I can remember, yeah, big and true, three feet.

1155
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:16,290
I think in this zoning district in the nonconforming situation, they're allowed three feet to protrude into the setback.

1156
01:41:16,290 --> 01:41:19,930
So, it was already beyond that when this started.

1157
01:41:23,010 --> 01:41:32,370
Is there any appetite for the, except as with a design review approval?

1158
01:41:33,070 --> 01:41:35,830
I'm sensing there's not a real appetite for a text amendment.

1159
01:41:37,410 --> 01:41:41,790
And I, we're not here to try to convince you otherwise.

1160
01:41:41,790 --> 01:41:46,670
what we do want to do is come up with a solution.

1161
01:41:46,930 --> 01:41:49,750
And so there's the variance that was up,

1162
01:41:49,770 --> 01:41:51,390
and then Brittany, it's in the staff report,

1163
01:41:52,110 --> 01:41:55,290
and it's that C1 where there's that exception

1164
01:41:55,290 --> 01:42:01,150
that a non-conforming can't be more non-conforming except that.

1165
01:42:02,050 --> 01:42:06,670
Is there an appetite where the applicant,

1166
01:42:06,670 --> 01:42:15,330
I mean, where the owner of this could submit a design review application to.

1167
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:19,830
Would there be no conforming if we measure a setback from the foundation?

1168
01:42:20,770 --> 01:42:21,710
It's just a number.

1169
01:42:22,730 --> 01:42:23,210
Yeah.

1170
01:42:23,730 --> 01:42:27,370
How does that read if it's if it's been.

1171
01:42:27,570 --> 01:42:28,590
It's only five foot two.

1172
01:42:29,310 --> 01:42:35,830
Well, yeah, the building's not conforming, but is it more non-former because we did that because our non-conformance is already from the foundation, not from the overhead, correct?

1173
01:42:36,530 --> 01:42:45,350
So, yeah, so the other part of code is the on these, so there's two things, lots that are under 20,000 square feet in size.

1174
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:52,110
On those lots, you have a 10-foot setback on all sides and your roof overhanging can encroach three feet into the setback.

1175
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:53,590
So that would give you a net of seven.

1176
01:42:53,590 --> 01:43:00,570
three feet from the wall. Correct, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's

1177
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:19,600
ever would pass because

1178
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:26,180
you're responsible for it because you're asking for it. Well then no one at variance would

1179
01:43:26,180 --> 01:43:34,280
ever pass them, right? Under that, yeah. Exactly my point. And I think the inherited construction

1180
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:43,160
techniques from the 70s by a cheap builder, God rest his soul. And they didn't

1181
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:47,880
really know about cold roofs back then, or he certainly wasn't going to invest

1182
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:53,220
in the doe and fire department hate cold roof. But we know they work and they

1183
01:43:53,220 --> 01:44:03,320
save a lot of problems. So I think to me there's a way to finesse that the health

1184
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,960
and wallfare that you touched on about this fire.

1185
01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:08,620
It's already there.

1186
01:44:10,260 --> 01:44:13,140
Another 20 inches of roofie isn't going

1187
01:44:13,140 --> 01:44:14,720
to make it more of a fire hazard.

1188
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:15,880
What's it going to have to do?

1189
01:44:15,900 --> 01:44:17,260
You do have to go first and shake.

1190
01:44:17,860 --> 01:44:19,020
You do have the overhang.

1191
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,740
So it does, you know, a fire is coming down from below.

1192
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,480
A straight wall is less likely to catch fire

1193
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:27,800
than something that's overhanging heat.

1194
01:44:28,140 --> 01:44:29,960
You're trying to argue again, are you?

1195
01:44:31,140 --> 01:44:31,760
I'm going to say it.

1196
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:32,780
I know what it is.

1197
01:44:32,780 --> 01:44:34,000
No, I think it's still a way to go.

1198
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,900
I think they're, but with that variance, I think that,

1199
01:44:38,020 --> 01:44:41,300
hey, how was that okay with the fire department?

1200
01:44:41,460 --> 01:44:44,540
Is there some type of extra fire protection added

1201
01:44:44,540 --> 01:44:47,740
to that that doesn't jeopardize the safety?

1202
01:44:49,340 --> 01:44:52,380
Back in 1977, what was back back here?

1203
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:53,240
Was it anything something?

1204
01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:56,580
Yeah, so it was owned and it was a planned unit development.

1205
01:44:56,900 --> 01:44:58,860
So all of it was plotted in 1977.

1206
01:44:59,120 --> 01:44:59,980
A ton of these homes were put in.

1207
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,700
We've built that same year. And so what I what I don't have is the original PUD like finding the fact we just have the plat. And so clearly the homes were committed to be built in these locations, but I just I don't have the definitive. Right. Because I mean, there was no step actually according to the less than 20,000 square feet to be 10 day. Right? Yeah, that language is not there in 1977 or it was altered by the PUD. Yeah, exactly. So it's done. It's done. It's there.

1208
01:45:29,700 --> 01:45:37,460
the fact that the roof overhangs are now couldn't, from both sides, could get a little closer.

1209
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:40,000
I mean we have that everywhere.

1210
01:45:40,900 --> 01:45:49,180
The minimal overhang is not typical for this building area.

1211
01:45:49,900 --> 01:45:57,420
You know, I would argue against the text amendment because yeah, although code now has changed to what three feet,

1212
01:45:57,420 --> 01:46:03,760
state code allows you to build that close. We don't want to do that. We don't want to

1213
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:09,440
density. We don't want that here in some valley. There is a reason why we have set

1214
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:15,940
boxes for vehicle argos and you know like we've been going on a lot. Yeah we're trying to jam them all in

1215
01:46:15,940 --> 01:46:25,400
here for a bunch of people. So I think there's wiggle room in the findings required by

1216
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:30,420
the variance where we could make those where the applicant could suggest them.

1217
01:46:30,900 --> 01:46:38,280
Okay. That was going to be my question or a head nod at least that there is a path to

1218
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:45,160
a positive finding on number two that the need for this variance is not a result of the actions

1219
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:51,300
of the applicant or the property owner. And so when we submit this application, it's not going

1220
01:46:51,300 --> 01:47:04,380
to be because we did this when we did the roof, it's that this needed to happen because the original home had a construction defect that needs to be corrected.

1221
01:47:04,380 --> 01:47:05,540
Something like that.

1222
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:05,900
Okay.

1223
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:10,120
You inserted it when you bought it.

1224
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:19,350
Do you think you were able to develop layout that didn't respond to current technologies

1225
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:25,570
and standards and abilities to build a home that's safe and held it on.

1226
01:47:25,570 --> 01:47:30,790
I think number two is the-

1227
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:35,610
Is the condition that steered Brittany and I away from this to begin with was

1228
01:47:35,610 --> 01:47:48,410
was that a strict reading and interpretation of that is like you said, Ken, it means we never ever grant one, right?

1229
01:47:48,970 --> 01:47:54,210
So thank you for the brainstorming session.

1230
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:58,990
Usually we're an applicant and we have standards that we meet and show that we met.

1231
01:47:59,350 --> 01:48:02,830
And this is a different opportunity for me to brainstorm and

1232
01:48:02,830 --> 01:48:03,890
problems, all for you guys.

1233
01:48:06,350 --> 01:48:13,630
So I think possibly, you know, we'll talk with Brittany and obviously the owner of

1234
01:48:13,630 --> 01:48:19,070
the property and their representatives, but it sounds like the best path forward would

1235
01:48:19,070 --> 01:48:23,110
be a variance application at this point and that would be the preferred.

1236
01:48:24,570 --> 01:48:29,630
You guys would rather review a variance application than a text amendment application.

1237
01:48:39,730 --> 01:48:44,870
I would prefer to have a narrow focus than a parade of horrors.

1238
01:48:45,650 --> 01:48:46,490
And pretty with you.

1239
01:48:46,490 --> 01:48:46,630
Yeah.

1240
01:48:46,690 --> 01:48:49,630
A little research on the U.S. State Building Code says 3 feet apart.

1241
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:50,070
Yes.

1242
01:48:50,430 --> 01:48:53,530
What is required when you do that?

1243
01:48:54,110 --> 01:48:54,250
Yeah.

1244
01:48:54,730 --> 01:48:58,790
Is there something in the IRC that makes you do, even with single family residents?

1245
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:59,090
Yeah.

1246
01:48:59,290 --> 01:49:00,790
You know, the construct abilities, right?

1247
01:49:00,850 --> 01:49:02,010
I will talk with friend and yes.

1248
01:49:02,150 --> 01:49:02,270
Yeah.

1249
01:49:02,450 --> 01:49:02,630
About that.

1250
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:08,670
For the commission, would you like to see a design review in front of you coupled with

1251
01:49:08,670 --> 01:49:11,910
the variance, or would you like to see a variance so that then the applicant can follow

1252
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:13,990
up with an administrative design review?

1253
01:49:14,410 --> 01:49:14,650
No, okay.

1254
01:49:15,090 --> 01:49:15,490
Okay.

1255
01:49:15,490 --> 01:49:15,810
Bring it here.

1256
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:16,230
Okay.

1257
01:49:16,610 --> 01:49:17,150
To get back in here.

1258
01:49:17,150 --> 01:49:21,720
Because that allows us to make the final move.

1259
01:49:22,220 --> 01:49:22,840
That's what will happen.

1260
01:49:23,980 --> 01:49:25,160
So there's a motion here, right?

1261
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:25,820
On the table.

1262
01:49:26,420 --> 01:49:30,060
And we're actually going to do my doing a text in there.

1263
01:49:30,460 --> 01:49:31,660
Do you have to see a motion here?

1264
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:47,400
Well, I think the discussion on the right was this a public hearing to yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's also a public hearing this public hearing. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I know. I know. I'm comfortable with this part. This part I know.

1265
01:49:49,020 --> 01:49:51,220
I'll open the public hearing at this time.

1266
01:49:52,700 --> 01:49:54,320
Anyone online, Brittany?

1267
01:49:55,420 --> 01:49:56,940
Our commissioner.

1268
01:49:57,980 --> 01:49:58,380
No.

1269
01:49:59,060 --> 01:49:59,980
Hey, do you have a-

1270
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:06,140
Anything to say, Joe? I do not. I was well covered. Good job. We try.

1271
01:50:08,140 --> 01:50:13,560
Close the public hearing. This could just die for lack of a motion.

1272
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:29,610
Yeah, you could choose a table it, or you could choose to make a motion to determine that an application should not be brought forward to amend the development code. Or we could do that. What do they want to do then? What was that?

1273
01:50:29,610 --> 01:50:40,690
I'm just kind of going off the text of the code, so it says commission shall review the request of public hearing and then determine if an application should be brought forward to amend the development code.

1274
01:50:41,250 --> 01:50:42,670
So you could motion to say.

1275
01:50:42,930 --> 01:50:47,990
I'd make a motion that the applicant not bring a text amendment change request board.

1276
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:58,110
I second all in favor. Hi. I got to carry unanimous. See you sometime in the future gentlemen.

1277
01:51:02,190 --> 01:51:14,050
Okay. We have consented to two sets of meeting minutes from June 11 and July 6th of this year.

1278
01:51:16,890 --> 01:51:17,930
Any

1279
01:51:17,930 --> 01:51:19,530
I move to approve consent agenda.

1280
01:51:20,130 --> 01:51:20,410
Second.

1281
01:51:21,050 --> 01:51:21,510
All in favor?

1282
01:51:22,010 --> 01:51:22,190
Aye.

1283
01:51:24,590 --> 01:51:26,090
Consent agenda approved.

1284
01:51:26,450 --> 01:51:29,030
Next meeting October 8th.

1285
01:51:29,070 --> 01:51:30,530
What's attendance is in line?

1286
01:51:33,050 --> 01:51:36,830
So October 8th, is it a long one?

1287
01:51:37,810 --> 01:51:41,290
Let me double check, let me open up our docket.

1288
01:51:41,530 --> 01:51:42,650
We're a little bit more on the agenda.

1289
01:51:42,690 --> 01:51:46,450
I think that is on the docket than we have noted at the bottom there.

1290
01:51:46,450 --> 01:51:47,490
Let's see.

1291
01:51:49,010 --> 01:51:53,170
So we'll have the continuing or we'll have the refining of that for the Lane Ranch

1292
01:51:53,170 --> 01:51:53,670
home.

1293
01:51:54,750 --> 01:52:05,030
We will have the 702 Fairway She Shed project coming back to request another look by the

1294
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:11,990
commission related to the chimney and keeping the trees based on some other fire mitigation

1295
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:13,090
things I'd like to discuss.

1296
01:52:13,090 --> 01:52:17,850
So, actually, I think that's it. I think it's just these two items for October. Yeah, so short meeting.

1297
01:52:18,250 --> 01:52:18,850
Yeah, thank you.

1298
01:52:21,710 --> 01:52:23,290
What are you doing? I'm not suspecting.

1299
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:27,320
Is there a wedding in your honeymoon on here?

1300
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:31,980
Yeah, sorry. That's just, this is our internal planning calendar for, yeah.

1301
01:52:33,940 --> 01:52:39,020
I do have sunshine on here potentially. That's a whole nother discussion.

1302
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:42,440
But it sounds like it may not happen. I've been talking with the developer.

1303
01:52:42,440 --> 01:52:46,320
or they might want to propose some changes to their existing design review approval.

1304
01:52:46,540 --> 01:52:49,460
It would be super tight, I wouldn't even make it a little better.

1305
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:57,340
You know, something to that effect, so anyhow, but I don't think that's likely to happen,

1306
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:03,660
but I'd give the commission a giant heads up if they give me something by the 16th and we do put them on there.

1307
01:53:03,660 --> 01:53:05,320
Since she's the big development phase.

1308
01:53:05,420 --> 01:53:08,120
Three phases of the third and fourth phase or whatever it is.

1309
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:08,500
Yeah.

1310
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:09,360
I'll be here.

1311
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:13,080
As long as we're wrapped up by 1130.

1312
01:53:13,540 --> 01:53:15,200
I have a flight to Vegas at one point.

1313
01:53:16,940 --> 01:53:18,300
Is it the show?

1314
01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:20,720
Not my nephew's 21st.

1315
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:20,940
Oh.

1316
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:22,840
Good luck.

1317
01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:24,960
It's the second funky on the key weekend.

1318
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:25,740
Yeah.

1319
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:27,280
Okay.

1320
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:28,800
Motion to adjourned.

1321
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:29,520
Motion to adjourned.

1322
01:53:29,660 --> 01:53:29,860
Second.

1323
01:53:30,380 --> 01:53:31,060
All in favor.

1324
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:32,980
We are adjourned.