1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,060 Good evening. 2 00:01:38,490 --> 00:01:41,090 Good evening to all Russian abide members. 3 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,620 Good evening everyone. I'm going to give you a few minutes to settle in. We'll start in just a few minutes. 4 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:03,220 Before we begin, we're going to play an opening statement, but why don't you just take this opportunity to silence your phones, please? 5 00:04:12,420 --> 00:04:12,460 Good evening. 6 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:22,700 Good evening everyone. Welcome to everyone. Thank you for coming. It is 632 and calling the meeting to order. 7 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:23,920 Thank you. 8 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:24,520 Commissioner Joseph. 9 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:25,960 Present. 10 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:27,160 Commissioner Lama. 11 00:04:28,260 --> 00:04:29,140 Commissioner Stuyvesen. 12 00:04:29,180 --> 00:04:29,340 Here. 13 00:04:30,060 --> 00:04:30,720 Vice Mayor of this car. 14 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:31,120 Here. 15 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:31,960 Mayor's fashion. 16 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:32,380 Here. 17 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:33,260 All members present. 18 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,900 Thank you. 19 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:47,820 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. 20 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:53,650 One nation, under God, invisible with liberty and justice for all. 21 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:54,920 Thank you. 22 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,870 We do not have an invocation today. 23 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:16,980 But I do want to welcome everyone before we start. Welcome to our regulars. I see former mayor Eddle Cuffin for a mayor. Golden in our here. Welcome and I see our Easter is back. So it's nice to see you somewhere. Okay. Marisa, first item. 24 00:05:17,460 --> 00:05:23,100 First item on the agenda is three a approval of the minutes of the July 16th, 2026 meeting. 25 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,060 Okay. Do you have a motion? 26 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:25,580 Motion. 27 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:27,260 Second. 28 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:28,600 Favorite? 29 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:30,200 All right. 30 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:30,580 Marisa? 31 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:31,560 Okay. 32 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:33,160 Let's play your opening statement. 33 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,320 Meaning, ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate your attendance and thank you for joining us 34 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:49,740 tonight. 35 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:56,200 Before we begin, there are a few important reminders regarding conduct during our commission 36 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:56,760 meetings. 37 00:05:57,300 --> 00:06:03,060 Please ensure all electronic devices are turned off or set to silent mode to maintain the 38 00:06:03,060 --> 00:06:04,620 integrity of our proceedings. 39 00:06:04,620 --> 00:06:08,100 mutual respect is a foundation of productive discussions. 40 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,660 We ask that everyone remains silent and attentive when someone is addressing the commission. 41 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:22,560 Clopping, applauding, heckling, or any verbal outbursts, either in support or opposition of the speaker, are strictly prohibited. 42 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:31,500 Any individual wishing to address the commission must fill out a public speaker's card and submit it to the city clerk before the relevant item is announced. 43 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:35,260 Each speaker is granted a maximum of three minutes. 44 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,280 Should you exceed this time, the chair will notify you to conclude your remarks. 45 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,580 Speak directly to the agenda's points, remain concise and avoid redundancy. 46 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,260 Should an individual speak without the chair's permission or continue speaking after 47 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:52,980 a warning, they may be escorted out of the chambers. 48 00:06:54,060 --> 00:06:59,200 It is essential to avoid making an pertinent, slanders or marks, or becoming boisterous while 49 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,560 dressing the commission. 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meetings after a warning may be removed from the meeting and may be barred from further appearance before the city commission. 60 00:08:17,020 --> 00:08:30,440 As permitted in S286-0114-FS and S-S74-5 and S74-21 of the city's code of ordinances. 61 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:36,440 Any necessary removal will be made at the direction of the mayor and will be carried out by law enforcement 62 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:39,080 or designated sergeant at arms. 63 00:08:39,460 --> 00:08:44,700 It is essential that attendees adhere to these rules of procedure to ensure productive meetings 64 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:47,000 that's sort of both the public and the city commission. 65 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,660 Thank you for your cooperation and understanding. 66 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:52,040 Okay, thank you. 67 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,560 I'm just gonna add to this like I normally do. 68 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:58,220 The acoustics in this room are great, 69 00:08:58,260 --> 00:09:00,460 which means that we hear all your conversations. 70 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,640 If you need to speak to your neighbor, 71 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,680 please take it outside 72 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:05,640 because it's very distracting to us, 73 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:07,820 plus we hear your entire conversation. 74 00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:10,380 So you may not want that. 75 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,420 The other thing is that for many of you, 76 00:09:12,500 --> 00:09:13,980 this is your first time being here. 77 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:19,620 I'm going to repeatedly explain the rules because I want to be able to participate if you'd 78 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:20,060 like to. 79 00:09:20,180 --> 00:09:21,920 In the back, there's public speaking cards. 80 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:25,060 If you choose to speak on an item, go ahead and do that now. 81 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,780 You can later on change your mind and say, I don't want to speak on it, but once public comment 82 00:09:29,780 --> 00:09:32,880 is closed, you will not be able to speak. 83 00:09:33,460 --> 00:09:38,820 So public comment comes before the commission speaks and then it's closed and then the commission 84 00:09:38,820 --> 00:09:39,300 speaks. 85 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,140 So if anybody wants, go ahead and do that. 86 00:09:42,140 --> 00:09:44,820 you give it to the clerk, but one public comment is closed. 87 00:09:45,180 --> 00:09:45,580 It's closed. 88 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:47,520 Raise your hand. 89 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:48,680 OK. 90 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:50,840 The first item we'll be considering tonight 91 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,060 is exoning application 5A. 92 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:59,840 And it's an application requested by Sunny Smart Corp. 93 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:08,060 Reconitional use for a child care facility at the property located at 173-95-Cons Avenue. 94 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Before we start, I need to read the zoning opening statement one second. 95 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,240 So every ladies and gentlemen, this evening's agenda has one zoning application, 96 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:27,240 and the city commission will be conducting public hearings review and consider these applications. 97 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:32,520 In these matters, the city commission sits in a quasi-judicial capacity, and will hear 98 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,880 testimony from city staff, the applicants and members of the public. 99 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,460 The materials attached to the agenda are considered part of the record, as well as any additional 100 00:10:40,460 --> 00:10:44,900 documentary evidence that is introduced and accepted into the record during the hearing. 101 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,460 If you intend to speak or provide testimony on any zoning application, you must be sworn 102 00:10:50,460 --> 00:10:57,220 in by the city clerk, and should also fill out a public speaker's card and give it to the 103 00:10:57,220 --> 00:11:04,240 When you are called to speak, please state your name and the record on the record, your address, and whether you've been sworn in. 104 00:11:04,540 --> 00:11:05,880 Please make your comments concisely. 105 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,900 As a matter of procedure, the city staff will present first. 106 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:16,100 After city staff has made their presentation, the applicant will make their presentation and support of their application. 107 00:11:17,180 --> 00:11:23,560 Their after, the hearings will be open to members of the public to speak and support of or against the pending application. 108 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:28,160 The City Commission may set reasonable time limits for members of the public to speak. 109 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,100 After members of the public speak, both staff and the applicants may make additional statements 110 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:37,140 or rebuttal and the applicants have the right to cross-examine any witness. 111 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,620 Thereafter, the public hearing portion of the item will be closed and the commission 112 00:11:41,620 --> 00:11:44,600 will commence deliberations and make a decision on the application. 113 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:49,880 Ultimately, the decision made by the City Commission at the conclusion of the hearing 114 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,940 must be based upon competence's substantial evidence, which has been presented during the course of the hearing, 115 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,780 and must adhere to the essential requirements of the law. 116 00:11:58,700 --> 00:12:03,300 Competence's substantial evidence is defined as evidence that is sufficiently relevant and material 117 00:12:03,300 --> 00:12:09,880 that a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support the conclusion reached, and includes 118 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,100 the documentary evidence and the record, the city's staff report. 119 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:17,140 comments or opinions of professional staff, 120 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,580 fact-based comments of neighbors, residents, and laypersons. 121 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,040 And opinion testimony, but only witnesses were qualified as experts. 122 00:12:26,180 --> 00:12:28,660 Competence of sexual evidence does not include 123 00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:32,980 conjecture, speculation, or generalize opinions or statements in support, 124 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,520 or in opposition to the matter. 125 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,120 Attorney testimony is generally not competent 126 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,680 substantial evidence unless the attorney has some expertise in a relevant area. 127 00:12:44,270 --> 00:12:55,610 And one second, so in accordance with the LDRs of the City of Sanialis Beach, all items to be heard today have been legally advertised, notices have been mailed and posted on the properties. 128 00:12:56,470 --> 00:13:00,430 All persons wishing to speak at this hearing, please raise your right arm to be sworn in. 129 00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:03,740 Anyone there will be? 130 00:13:03,980 --> 00:13:04,900 Just for this item. 131 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:05,720 Just for this item. 132 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:05,900 Just for this item. 133 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,480 Do you use where the testimony you're about to give the truth, the whole truth, and not the but the truth's all up you got? 134 00:13:10,780 --> 00:13:11,160 I do. 135 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:12,000 Thank you. 136 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,820 And before we continue with the assistant planning on the director, 137 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,000 are there any expert communications that the commission is disclosed? 138 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:22,940 No. 139 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,240 Not me. 140 00:13:26,260 --> 00:13:26,320 Commissioner. 141 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:27,140 Lama. 142 00:13:33,580 --> 00:13:34,460 Yeah, like I said, yes. 143 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:34,840 This. 144 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Okay. 145 00:13:35,580 --> 00:13:36,240 For the side of me. 146 00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:36,420 Yes. 147 00:13:36,420 --> 00:13:39,140 And what was the nature of the conversation? 148 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,380 I spoke with the, uh, with the owner, with the applicant. 149 00:13:43,620 --> 00:13:44,380 About the application. 150 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:45,160 That's all. 151 00:13:45,420 --> 00:13:45,680 Okay. 152 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:58,840 My name is Brittany Austin. I am the assistant planning and zoning director. I'm filling in for the director while she's on leave. 153 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:01,380 So, do we have the presentation? 154 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:02,760 Sorry. 155 00:14:05,370 --> 00:14:10,910 This evening, we will be discussing zoning hearing PZ-26-07. 156 00:14:11,470 --> 00:14:15,190 It is a conditional use application for Sunny's might day care. 157 00:14:16,670 --> 00:14:21,570 And the applicant, Sunny's smart core, is requesting approval of a child day care facility 158 00:14:21,570 --> 00:14:24,710 within Unit 103 of Winston-Towers Plasm. 159 00:14:25,610 --> 00:14:31,310 The applicant has been in this location since 2022, as an activity center, however she was 160 00:14:31,310 --> 00:14:35,350 recently required by the Department of Children and Families update her local 161 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:38,830 flight sensor to reflect a child daycare use. 162 00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:43,730 So the Winston-Towers Plaza is located in the RMF 2 zoning district 163 00:14:43,730 --> 00:14:47,350 where child daycare facilities are permitted upon the approval of a 164 00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:51,110 conditional use application. And conditional uses are those which impact 165 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:55,550 its surrounding neighborhood and must be evaluated on a case by case basis. 166 00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:59,470 So for example, in the case of a daycare you have 167 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:09,760 People coming and going two times a day for child pickup and drop off and you have noises created by outside play areas. 168 00:15:12,020 --> 00:15:23,040 There are seven conditional use criteria, which must be met in order to grant approval. Each of these are evaluated in detail on pages 4 through 6 of the staff report provided to you in your agenda. 169 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:29,940 And we can go through these one by one at the end of the presentation if it is the pleasure of the commission to do so. 170 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,760 Let's staff us found that all these criteria have been satisfied. 171 00:15:35,770 --> 00:15:43,470 So, once all of the conditional use criteria are met, the specific use standards in this city's land development regulations must be evaluated. 172 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:51,710 So, part of the conditions of approval are that the applicant to meet the standards for child-day care facilities, namely parking and stacking. 173 00:15:51,710 --> 00:15:55,890 In 1996, a parking variance was granted for the shopping 174 00:15:55,890 --> 00:16:00,990 Plaza requiring the property to maintain a minimum of 48 parking spaces, 175 00:16:01,250 --> 00:16:05,970 and currently there are 51 spaces provided exceeding the minimum required amount 176 00:16:05,970 --> 00:16:07,330 of parking for this plaza. 177 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:12,590 Five automobiles stacking spaces are required for day cares with more than 60 children. 178 00:16:13,170 --> 00:16:19,010 So the stacking requirement for both day cares within the plaza, the one that's being proposed 179 00:16:19,010 --> 00:16:24,930 in the existing one-on-one-one-one-one-two are satisfied with the reservation of these five spaces 180 00:16:24,930 --> 00:16:31,030 for the daycares. So this agreement between the tenant and the landlord is to be recorded in 181 00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:34,910 a dedication of restrictions, declaration of restrictions, sorry. 182 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,940 So Miami-Dade County establishes 183 00:16:40,940 --> 00:16:47,180 the minimum standards for outdoor play area. Children up to five years old require 45 feet 184 00:16:47,180 --> 00:16:53,900 each per child calculated in terms of half of the maximum number of children for attendance at 185 00:16:53,900 --> 00:17:01,020 the school at any one time. So children between the ages of six and nine years old require 186 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:08,460 500 square feet per child. With the total outdoor play area of 712 square feet, the application 187 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:14,560 is deficient in meeting the area needs of all children outside at one time to meet the space requirements 188 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:21,200 for child only 15 preschool children or one elementary age child are permitted in the play area 189 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,300 at one time. 190 00:17:25,550 --> 00:17:29,530 So Miami-Dade County, let me just stop you for a second. But we get some interest, please. 191 00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:31,710 You didn't. Okay, thank you. 192 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,980 Miami-Dade County also establishes the minimum standards for 193 00:17:36,980 --> 00:17:42,440 classroom area, instructional area is calculated by subtracting out all kitchen areas, corridors, 194 00:17:43,780 --> 00:17:48,180 bathrooms hallways, and any space that isn't used strictly for the instruction of children. 195 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:57,780 Children up to five years old require 35 square feet per student of instructional area, elementary school students require 30 square feet per student. 196 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:04,940 The total area required for all of the children proposed by the applicant is 2008 square feet. 197 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,620 The facility only has a total of 2007 square feet. 198 00:18:10,020 --> 00:18:14,720 Therefore, the maximum number of children must be reduced to meet the required square footage per pupil. 199 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:21,440 a deficiency of 73-square feet means that there are either three too many preschool children 200 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,640 or three too many elementary school children. Therefore, if the total amount of children is reduced 201 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:32,800 by three, from either age group the instructional area requirement is meant. 202 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:37,580 So staff recommends 203 00:18:37,580 --> 00:18:43,420 approval of this application with the following conditions that future permits and license 204 00:18:43,420 --> 00:18:48,920 relations applications made to the city will be in substantial accordance with the plans 205 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:54,220 approved in this conditional use application that the applicant will obtain all necessary 206 00:18:54,220 --> 00:19:00,460 permits and licenses from external agencies that the proposed daycare facility shall comply 207 00:19:00,460 --> 00:19:06,200 with the specific use regulations that no more than 15 preschool children or one elementary school 208 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:11,980 child shall be permitted in the outdoor play area at one time no more than 60 children shall be enrolled 209 00:19:11,980 --> 00:19:15,460 at anyone's time, and the five dedicated parking spaces 210 00:19:15,460 --> 00:19:18,920 shall be maintained for the duration of the child care facilities, 211 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:24,600 and an amended declaration of restrictions shall be recorded with the Miami-Dade 212 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:30,380 Clerk of Court, the approved conditional U shall be valid for a period of 24 months, 213 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,640 and within that time, the applicant has to apply for the local business tax 214 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,260 receipt and the certificate of use is what that means. 215 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,280 The applicant complies with all local state and federal laws. 216 00:19:46,860 --> 00:19:47,480 That's it. 217 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:47,920 Thank you. 218 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,820 Does the applicant want to say a few words? 219 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:50,920 You don't have to. 220 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:52,720 You'd like to? 221 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:52,980 Okay. 222 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:57,400 There's some extra seats in the front. 223 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:58,980 If you'd like to. 224 00:19:59,040 --> 00:19:59,560 There's two. 225 00:19:59,720 --> 00:19:59,960 At least. 226 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:31,340 I would like to say thank you for having me and giving me the opportunity to explain our program. We truly appreciate your time, attention and continue commitment to the children's and family of Sonia's speech. 227 00:20:31,340 --> 00:20:35,220 So Nismar has proudly served these communities since 2018. 228 00:20:36,020 --> 00:20:39,540 We originally open and has a gymnastics center for children and adults. 229 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:45,380 As we recognize the community needs for additional and educational activities, we approach 230 00:20:45,380 --> 00:20:51,400 the city and receive approval to expand our program to include valid, art, martial art, 231 00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:53,800 science and continue with the gymnastics classes. 232 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:59,380 Over the years, our program has continued to grow in response to the need of local families. 233 00:20:59,380 --> 00:21:07,100 Many parents have asked for the children to remain with us for longer period of time, so they can participate in several instructor classes. 234 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:17,420 This is why, in order to keep children few hours per day, DCF, Department of Education, Families, recommends to change from instructional skills to childcare. 235 00:21:18,340 --> 00:21:22,320 In order to change for the childcare, we need to approve of the series of Sonia's speech. 236 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:28,080 For this reason, we respectfully request a serious system in update in our certificate of use 237 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,220 to childcare in order for us to be in compliance with the Department of Children's 238 00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:32,720 and Families. 239 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:37,360 We are fully committed to work transparently with every department and comply with all 240 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:40,440 applicable safety, licensing and operational requirements. 241 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,480 Thank you for your time, consideration and continuous support of Sonia Smart and the families 242 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,460 will proudly serve. 243 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:47,220 Thank you. 244 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:48,360 Thanks. 245 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:48,540 Thanks. 246 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:48,740 Thanks. 247 00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:50,160 with a cute picture. 248 00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:52,000 Maurice, do we have public speakers? 249 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:52,940 We do. 250 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:55,280 And just before I call up the first speaker, 251 00:21:55,460 --> 00:21:56,280 I want to know for the record 252 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,540 that we did we see some correspondence. 253 00:21:59,660 --> 00:22:03,460 One was from Richard Dewitt, from government law group. 254 00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:06,460 And the other one is from Mrs. Stewart, 255 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:08,920 Greg's Gell, who will be speaking, 256 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,820 and happens to be the first one. 257 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,840 All right, if there's anyone that wants to speak on the item, 258 00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:16,980 this is your opportunity before I close the public comment. 259 00:22:16,980 --> 00:22:22,460 So you can go ahead and take out a public speaking card on this item. Please go ahead. 260 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,940 Thank you, Ms. Mayor. If you can start the clock after I give my customary hello. 261 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:35,200 We can, but I just want to remind everyone that all your comments are directed towards me the chair and we don't go back and forth. 262 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:40,940 So we don't answer questions. You have your three minutes. It's your time to stay almost anything you want. 263 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,480 Mayor Simon, first time at a podium. Thank you. 264 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,700 And they are, I'd like to thank you very much for being a great bear and hosting one of 265 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:49,140 the best cities in Miami-Dade County. 266 00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:50,640 I'd like to thank all Councilmen. 267 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,920 I'd also like to point out our city manager and our city attorney's being great additions 268 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,000 to this city. 269 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,060 I think without would be a detriment to the city. 270 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,360 I have submitted more detailed letter for the official records. 271 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,540 I'll keep my comments pre-understand tonight's applications for conditional use of daycare. 272 00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:16,080 It's not itself a rezoning of the property which would mean 70 units per one acre and a hundred and ninety feet approximately. 273 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,900 My comments are not intended to oppose the child care to be clear. 274 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:28,560 I understand that the larger concern is the future use of this property and it's not that current zoning as I mentioned. 275 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:37,560 Whether the future developer can use the existing developer rights to construct a more advanced high rise as resulted changing the zoning. 276 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:44,560 And instead utilize the capacity in any way to consider later, which would be too late. 277 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:54,240 And would ask the city council and its planner to maybe consider using the variant to the actual business that's there and not to the property, which is also not to option. 278 00:23:54,860 --> 00:23:57,300 I ask the city attorney some simple questions. 279 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:04,160 If the property was sold to a developer tomorrow, what current prevents that developer from pursuing a high-rise residential building, 280 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:09,700 taking advantage of the additional allowances that have been given here, possibly tonight. 281 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,540 If the D care applications have proved, which I hope is, I ask the approval for specifically 282 00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:20,860 state, a grant no additional height density, intensity floor area redevelopment rights 283 00:24:20,860 --> 00:24:25,080 or the seatant for future development as a result of this acceptance. 284 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:30,500 Finally, I ask the commissioner to direct the city attorney and planning department to investigate 285 00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:36,140 the lawful permanent way to protect that property at North Bay Road's neighborhood from inappropriate 286 00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:41,960 high rise development beyond the current statute before a development application is filed. 287 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,720 Again, reminding everyone in the audience, it's already approved for 190 foot, 288 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,480 which is approximately 20 stories. I ask the commissioner as well. Thank you very much for 289 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,880 tonight. And again, I would like to direct a personal thank you for Winston Tower's 290 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,960 to our city attorney, our city manager, and our director. 291 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,660 Thank you. Thank you very much. Do we have any other speakers? 292 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:18,520 Okay. So I'm closing public comment. Going once. All right. Public comment is closed. I'll take comments or questions from the commission. 293 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,740 Mr. Jones, let's go ahead. 294 00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:20,420 You have the floor? 295 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,520 Yes, thank you. 296 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,520 So I noticed there's a typo at Item 5A, 297 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:33,780 or CEO, it shows the address is 1, 7, 3, 9, 5, Collins Avenue. 298 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,380 That's incorrect. 299 00:25:38,410 --> 00:25:39,170 One second. 300 00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:40,910 Should be North Bay. 301 00:25:40,910 --> 00:25:42,510 Brittany, could you confirm the address? 302 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:45,560 Yes. 303 00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:50,120 The address is 1, 7, 3, 9, 5, North Bay Road, sweet one, North Bay Road. 304 00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:51,260 So what are, what? 305 00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:54,260 under what address was the publishing done? 306 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:55,980 I'm sorry. 307 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,520 Under what address was the publishing done? 308 00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:01,520 No, the notice was published correctly. 309 00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:02,460 Okay. 310 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,160 It's just listed on the title. 311 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:05,520 Okay. 312 00:26:05,580 --> 00:26:06,040 That's right. 313 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:06,940 I wanted to make sure. 314 00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:09,770 Thank you. 315 00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:10,390 Is it? 316 00:26:10,810 --> 00:26:10,890 Yes. 317 00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:11,310 All right. 318 00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:15,590 Vice Mayor? 319 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,080 Well, I don't have any questions per se. 320 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:28,160 but a city attorney did you have an opportunity to read the letters that were sent to us today, you know? 321 00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:28,700 I did. 322 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:36,500 Did you have any comments on, I'll tell you my, I guess I do have a question. 323 00:26:39,780 --> 00:26:47,060 The one from GLG government mentions, let me see, 324 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:54,720 that the conditional approval used solely authorizes 325 00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:01,180 sunny smart court to operate the facility and any change of the lease or operate or requires 326 00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:07,500 a submittal. That's probably addressed within our procedures but it's actually your code's 327 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:12,440 not written that way for the individual owner. It's actually for the, it's a zoning item, right? 328 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,620 So it's for the property itself and the unit. Certainly if there's a subsequent owner that comes 329 00:27:17,620 --> 00:27:23,400 in and deviates from the operation or the use of the particular zoning conditional use, 330 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:32,580 They have to come back to the city even this operator if they deviate from what's approved or if approved this evening 331 00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:39,500 They would have to come back to the city and approve that deviation through you or through the city manager 332 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:42,400 But it typically would be through you 333 00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:48,180 But it wouldn't be appropriate to condition it on the one property owner 334 00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:51,000 Only because your code really doesn't account for that 335 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,400 you really can't amend your code through a conditional, 336 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,520 a condition of one of your resolutions. 337 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,640 So I would say no to that. 338 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,080 OK. 339 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,480 Thank you. 340 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,640 And just briefly, Mr. Brace's little point. 341 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,780 What's being approved tonight would not impact 342 00:28:06,780 --> 00:28:10,800 the availability of the particular project, 343 00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:14,180 or that particular structure that would be guided 344 00:28:14,180 --> 00:28:17,080 by your code, it's not impacted at all. 345 00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:18,600 All right, thank you. 346 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,740 Commissioner Lam any questions? 347 00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:23,580 No, no questions. All right. I'll take a motion. So moved. 348 00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:24,220 Give me a second. 349 00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:27,240 Where is your? 350 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,140 Commissioner Lama. Yes. 351 00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:32,820 Commissioner Joseph. Yes. 352 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,820 Commissioner Stuyvesen. Yes. 353 00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:36,640 Nice to meet you. Yes. 354 00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:37,960 Yes. 355 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,780 Mayor Stuyvesen. Yes. 356 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,760 The application is approved by the zero. 357 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,740 Thank you. 358 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,600 No, no clapping. Please. No clapping. 359 00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:48,600 Okay. Next item, please. 360 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,940 Next item is ordinances for second reading. 361 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,160 8A is an ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Sonia, 362 00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:55,600 I'll speech. 363 00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:58,920 I'm ending ordinance number 2025-635. 364 00:28:59,660 --> 00:29:04,360 Approving Budget Amendment number BA-25-03 to the City's 365 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,760 operating capital improvement budget for the 2025-2026 fiscal year. 366 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,420 Authorised in the City Manager to do all things as a 367 00:29:11,420 --> 00:29:13,740 say to implement the terms and conditions of this ordinance. 368 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:15,680 I'm providing for an effective date. 369 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:25,740 Okay, ladies and gentlemen, there are a lot of use, even if you're whispering, and there's a few of you doing that, it sounds really loud up here. So please, okay, go ahead. 370 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,680 Who's it presenting? 371 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:45,340 Mayor Vice Mayor, members of the Commission, this is the second reading of our budget coordinates that transfers funds for a citywide security project that includes supporting public safety initiatives, including the drone program, CCTV cameras at bus stops and real time. 372 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,720 Rhymes Center Video Hype Wall System. 373 00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:51,800 Thank you. Are there any public speakers? 374 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,240 Yes, ma'am. Steven Hersch. 375 00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:59,630 Steven Hersch. 376 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:12,320 211 Collins. Good evening. After the first rating of this proposal that obviously passed and will likely 377 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:21,880 be passed tonight, during the last month I've had several questions from people inquiring as to the 378 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:30,940 money that has been moved around for this appropriation and a lot of it was 379 00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:38,140 directed to the need for its intended purpose which is to increase the 380 00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:45,020 public safety of all of our residents in this city. The explanation is 381 00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:48,900 is clearly that a police department 382 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:54,360 to be successful, and I say this just with my years of background, 383 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,960 not just that I have no knowledge of how police departments 384 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,220 should be operated. 385 00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:04,340 But clearly, there's a few things that are required. 386 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,960 First, of course, professionally qualified personnel. 387 00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:08,760 There's no question we have that. 388 00:31:09,380 --> 00:31:12,100 And I believe if I'm not incorrect, 389 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:18,560 This is one of the first times in a while that we're fully funded of our staffing, which is excellent. 390 00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:26,320 Second matter is proper training. There's no question our officers are very well trained in service training. 391 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:36,500 Third is the current public standards, policies and procedures being certified by the Commission for Law Enforcement and 2023 guarantees. 392 00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:40,260 Our officers have that continued training. 393 00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:47,160 But finally, the most important one in my opinion is that officers must have state-of-the-art 394 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:55,400 equipment and technology to protect our residents and to be able to protect property 395 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,460 identify or suspects as quickly as possible. 396 00:31:59,660 --> 00:32:06,240 The allocated appropriation is to improve the various programs that our city manager just 397 00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:18,540 and in particular it will integrate more than 10 different individual law enforcement systems that the police department already has right now. 398 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,560 It will integrate them into one particular system. 399 00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:30,680 In particular is the real-time crime center. I'll talk about that when we get to that resolution item later. 400 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:37,900 But for every expenditure, the city should explain to our residents how this improves your quality of life. 401 00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:48,240 The dollars transferred by the ordinance and the way that the money has been appropriated leaves no question of how residents will benefit from a safer sunny-house beach. 402 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,040 Thank you. 403 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,680 Thank you. 404 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,120 Do we have any much? 405 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,140 No, I'll just speak as well. 406 00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:52,880 All right. 407 00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:54,320 Public comment is closed. 408 00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:56,300 I'll take questions or comments for the commission. 409 00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:58,260 Mission Joseph, go ahead. 410 00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:00,480 No, I'm good for that. 411 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,200 Okay, Commissioner Lama. 412 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,460 No, I'm good. Thanks, Mayor. 413 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,100 I'm okay, friend. 414 00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:07,050 I'm sorry, excuse me. 415 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,040 Okay, I'll take a motion. 416 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:09,820 Motion. 417 00:33:11,780 --> 00:33:12,100 Maricio. 418 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:15,500 Commissioner Joseph. 419 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:16,480 Yes. 420 00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:18,700 Commissioner Stuyvesen. 421 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:20,820 Nice, Mayor Buscaro. 422 00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:22,220 Commissioner Lama. 423 00:33:22,820 --> 00:33:23,740 Yes, Mayor Stuyvesen. 424 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:24,400 Yes. 425 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,180 Your name's Patus Fights Zero. 426 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,660 Okay, next item. 427 00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:37,760 Next item is in resolution sections and it's 9A resolution, approving a cell police agreement 428 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:44,160 with high center of sunny hours speech for a portion of personal number 7756 known as 429 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,340 Bellavista Bay parking lot for the development and maintenance of a public playground in 430 00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:48,960 garden. 431 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:51,540 Okay, thank you. 432 00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:52,200 What's with the manager? 433 00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:54,220 Mayor Vice-marimum is the commission. 434 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,900 We have been in discussions with High Center of Sunniiles, who have expressed in interest 435 00:34:02,020 --> 00:34:09,840 to build and operate a public recreation area in an unused open green space area that we 436 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,280 are the less source for from the Florida Department of Transportation. 437 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:34,440 There's no funding required for the approval of this sublease and F. dot will not charge rent and the full cost of the design construction and maintenance of the area will be the responsibility of high center as an affiliate of the Jewish community center. 438 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,100 Okay. Thank you. Do we have public speakers? 439 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,440 Yes, ma'am. 440 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,920 I'll examine the color. 441 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:53,940 Good evening. 442 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:54,820 Good evening. 443 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,020 Good night. 444 00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:55,520 Good night. 445 00:34:56,140 --> 00:34:59,700 I want to start tonight. 446 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,440 I thank the members of the community that are here to support us, that are here to support this issue. 447 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:18,240 And at the same time, it's somewhat bitter, sweet, isn't it ridiculous that so many people had to come out to support a playground and a community garden. 448 00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:29,980 And the reason being, I'm sure you all know by now that after three years of us petitioning the Florida Department of Transportation, 449 00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:34,760 to create additional public parking that will benefit everyone and creating the spark that will 450 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:41,420 benefit the children in our community. Unfortunately, there is some opposition or there was 451 00:35:41,420 --> 00:35:48,120 some opposition against this and I don't say these words lightly but the reason for this opposition 452 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:54,940 is hatred, the oldest hatred of the mall that's called anti-Semitism. Last night when I sent a message 453 00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:59,360 to the members of the community saying, please come out supporters because we may face some 454 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:05,620 opposition, a neighbor of the anti-Sammate sent me a message, I know who that is, that person 455 00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:09,420 was not in the synagogue on Shabbat when I spoke about this and actually did not know 456 00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:11,520 that today this issue was going to be discussed. 457 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:17,900 And the person says, I know it's probably her, because we have people praying in our building 458 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,080 and she tried fighting that also. 459 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:25,620 And every time this person is openly expressing her feeling towards the Jewish people. 460 00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:31,980 So I would like to request from you, the Honorable Commission, to approve this, of course, 461 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,720 for the benefit of our community for the benefit of our children. 462 00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:40,620 But I also think that this approval tonight, God willing, if we will receive it, 463 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:47,520 is going to be resounding no to the hatred and resounding yes to the unity and to the community 464 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,280 that we all live in this beautiful city. 465 00:36:50,280 --> 00:37:19,520 It's the first time I think ever, correct me if I'm wrong, that public playground, or Park Garden, is being built with the charity money, with the community money, with the grant of a cartovelry family, who graciously supporting this endeavor, and we are here for the community, and we hope that you are elected officials, our fellow citizens and residents, going to see this project favorably, and to continue to support our community. 466 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,640 Thank you. Thank you Rabbi. 467 00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:31,650 The next speaker is 468 00:37:33,110 --> 00:37:37,870 Buelis. I'm sorry. It's a little difficult to read. Buelis, B. U. L. I. S. 469 00:37:40,030 --> 00:37:40,910 Yeah, no. 470 00:37:41,530 --> 00:37:42,130 Not Felix. 471 00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:45,110 Buelis, dub, drinker, 472 00:37:45,970 --> 00:37:46,450 Boris. 473 00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:47,650 Okay. 474 00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:48,950 Boris. 475 00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:50,090 All right. 476 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:54,370 Ladies and gentlemen, I just want to please remind you, no, no, no clapping, please. 477 00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:56,710 The Rabbi gets clapping, but that's it. 478 00:37:57,850 --> 00:37:58,910 Good evening. 479 00:37:59,090 --> 00:37:59,910 Hello, Boris. 480 00:38:00,170 --> 00:38:01,830 If you could get a little bit closer, please. 481 00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:02,590 Good evening. 482 00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:03,730 Good evening. 483 00:38:03,730 --> 00:38:04,850 Good evening, commissioners. 484 00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:06,950 Let's say we are quickly introduced myself. 485 00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:09,070 As I am Boris Dobryvka. 486 00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:14,190 I am working for my day of contact public schools for almost 33 years, 487 00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:17,990 with not English speaking students, 488 00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:21,770 making a difference in any ways with them. 489 00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:25,290 Today, I make only one question. 490 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:33,750 Children is my first priority and I believe that this ground supposed to be given to children 491 00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:37,370 not to business. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Okay. 492 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,380 Dana Goldman. Okay. 493 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:53,820 Dana Goldman, 308, pointsy Anna Island Drive, sunny hours beach florida. 494 00:38:54,780 --> 00:39:02,340 I've seen firsthand this school and the vibrancy and the wonderful energy that this 495 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:10,380 Senegal brings to our entire community and our city and I'm in complete support of the initiative 496 00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:17,440 which is no cost to the city to bring playground and to serve the children and part of the community. 497 00:39:18,340 --> 00:39:20,340 So, wholesale support for this initiative. 498 00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:21,100 Thank you. 499 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:21,820 Next speaker. 500 00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:25,730 Mike Weiss. 501 00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:39,470 Mike, your name and I just for the record please. 502 00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:44,130 Mike Weiss, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1. 503 00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:44,430 Thank you. 504 00:39:45,490 --> 00:39:54,330 My son goes to the school and the Chaban building and we've been in the community now for 505 00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:59,550 three years and we've watched the school grow year after year. 506 00:40:00,050 --> 00:40:11,250 And it's amazing to see these kids flourish in the environment and the environment of the community of the Khabad Center. 507 00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:19,290 And what breaks my heart as a still a kid who grew up in Long Island in Suffolk County. 508 00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:25,890 And we had a lot of playgrounds and woods and we had yards and football fields and tracks. 509 00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:55,870 And I understand it's a little bit different in this scenario, but it breaks my heart to see them stuck under a bridge in a 25, 20 by 20 square of concrete going through shoes every two months from just running back and forth 20 feet this way 20 feet this way 20 feet this way and their kids and the unfortunate thing is that the grass is right there, but it's not really safe because it's kind of a little muddy and 510 00:40:55,890 --> 00:41:04,350 And so we have something that's needed by the kids, which is an expanded area to play, which 511 00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:06,790 is very important for the development and growth. 512 00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:13,510 And I think now it's funded, and I think it would be a big bonus for the community and 513 00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:16,870 for the city to be able to, you know, get the green light on this. 514 00:41:17,470 --> 00:41:25,610 And it's not also just for the kids in that building, but it's also for the kids in the 515 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:33,250 in 163. And so it's not really possible for the kids in the Kabad Center and the schools that 516 00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:38,790 it go down and cross because that is a beautiful park, whether big field and it's a great facility, 517 00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:44,630 but it's dangerous to cross. So for the buildings on that side of 163 particularly up by 518 00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:49,670 Kabad, I think it's going to benefit the entire community. Thank you. Thank you. 519 00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:54,290 Felix Sukovovsky. 520 00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:03,350 It looks like this scheme, 18625, Atlantic Boards, Sunny. 521 00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:11,590 So we're here today to talk about a fearful subject, apparently, children's playground. 522 00:42:14,290 --> 00:42:20,390 Who in the same mind would oppose children's playground? Anybody? 523 00:42:22,570 --> 00:42:24,990 But I apologize to everybody. 524 00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:32,830 I don't, I lack diplomatic skills of rabbi color, so I call things for the art, okay? 525 00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:37,930 So what we're dealing with, and this is why there are so many people here today, 526 00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:41,310 because they all feel the way I do, except they speak straight. 527 00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:48,390 We have a very dirty and filthy disease, it's called antisemitism. 528 00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:51,290 It's here, okay? 529 00:42:52,170 --> 00:42:59,010 And let's be straight, we all know who that person is, Natalia Wilson, all in there of... 530 00:42:59,010 --> 00:42:59,590 Sir. 531 00:43:00,490 --> 00:43:02,110 We have rules of the quorum here. 532 00:43:02,270 --> 00:43:05,450 We try very hard not to slander anyone, especially when they're non-godians. 533 00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:07,050 You make, you make, you go best. 534 00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:07,470 Thank you. 535 00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:08,010 Sir, Mayor. 536 00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:10,190 But we know who that is. 537 00:43:10,990 --> 00:43:12,190 So, anyways, 538 00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:17,710 we left USSR, not to deal with that. 539 00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:19,190 And here we are. 540 00:43:19,310 --> 00:43:19,890 We're dealing with that. 541 00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:24,970 If, like any disease, this should be brought up to light, okay? 542 00:43:25,630 --> 00:43:29,090 And what I'm here to ask the management of the city, 543 00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:34,290 please do not become a tool of anti-Semi, 544 00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:35,910 when you see anti-Semi, 545 00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:39,310 blame for anti-Semi, see the word for what it is. 546 00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:40,470 Okay, thank you. 547 00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:41,130 Thank you, sir. 548 00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:47,550 No, there's speakers. 549 00:43:47,710 --> 00:43:48,410 No, there's speakers. 550 00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:51,630 Okay. I'll take comments or questions in the commission. 551 00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:54,590 Anyone? 552 00:43:58,010 --> 00:44:04,690 I think the city's been cooperating with the, I mean, I feel like there's a disconnect here. 553 00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:11,990 I'm not understanding the issue here to be honest with you. I think the city, we've been pro this playground from the beginning. 554 00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:13,310 So, Mr. City. 555 00:44:13,310 --> 00:44:14,690 I know that there's something negotiation. 556 00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:24,490 No, no, I think that you're making a good point because if you can just give a little bit of backgrounds to give some context here and some of the opposition that 557 00:44:24,490 --> 00:44:29,290 And there was about this project and then how that opposition changed, it would be helpful. 558 00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:36,370 Sure, we've been working for a number of years with Rabbi Caller and an effort to try to assist 559 00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:40,330 and work out some of the details with different things including the playground. 560 00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:47,330 So at either the last meeting or the one before that, there was some opposition, 561 00:44:48,310 --> 00:44:51,670 one resident regarding this moving forward. 562 00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:59,950 So I created a little bit of controversy, but I think the city's position has always been clear and working to help the community. 563 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,560 So, the issue is that we as a city are not the owner of the property, but the Florida Department of Transportation. 564 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:19,140 So, the Florida Department of Transportation requires that any use of the property would have to be through us as the lease of the property. 565 00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:29,420 So therefore we had to get F. Dodd's approval and in working with Rambike Haller that was done and now we're here before you today. 566 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,980 Okay, thank you. Is that clarified? 567 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,480 Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to get some context. I didn't understand some of the comments, so that's why. 568 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:42,180 Yes, there was no from the city. There was always a willingness to work with with the hubby. 569 00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:49,340 There was an opposition that was sent to F.D. by neighbors, by a neighbor, and that's the reason for it. 570 00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:49,920 Thank you. 571 00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:52,060 Should Joseph any comments? 572 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:52,720 No. 573 00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:55,080 I'm 100% comfortable with it. 574 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,760 I'm 100% for it. 575 00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:58,920 I'm just looking forward to move forward. 576 00:45:59,020 --> 00:45:59,300 Okay. 577 00:45:59,460 --> 00:45:59,840 Thank you. 578 00:45:59,980 --> 00:46:01,120 Commissioner Stoos and any comments? 579 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,240 Yeah, I have a few. 580 00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:05,820 So I want to say with a time line. 581 00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:10,840 This was brought to us as a discussion item back in January 2023. 582 00:46:11,780 --> 00:46:16,760 three years ago, and in the coming, it didn't move forward because we were working in the 583 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:25,500 part of the application master plan. Am I right? Go ahead. That wasn't the reason why nothing 584 00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:30,060 happened that I'm aware of. So, what was the reason back then, not to move forward with this 585 00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:31,580 project three years ago? 586 00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:38,430 Yeah, we have to look at the record. Okay, because then, this is a 587 00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:42,610 that knowing that the community needed this, 588 00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:46,130 we didn't do what we could do but them to make sure 589 00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:48,690 that this playground this far was built. 590 00:46:49,150 --> 00:46:51,670 It's been three years and I can say for myself 591 00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:54,310 that I homeschooled my son for two years. 592 00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:58,590 So I was an avid user of parts, playgrounds, 593 00:46:58,590 --> 00:47:00,010 playgrounds, etc. 594 00:47:00,650 --> 00:47:03,510 So I wish this was built before and now 595 00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:06,910 so all the kids had the opportunity to use this for three years. 596 00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:15,290 Now, this came as an item back in June of this year, and it would fall out at the last 597 00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:19,010 moment that day of the meeting, and now it's coming back in August. 598 00:47:19,590 --> 00:47:25,090 Can you please tell us a difference between the contract in June to this one, to the agreement? 599 00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:26,370 Anybody? 600 00:47:28,070 --> 00:47:28,710 Let me just imagine. 601 00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:34,950 I think part of the history of this is there were some challenges with FDOT because they 602 00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:40,390 did not want to enter into a sublease of their leaky. 603 00:47:41,790 --> 00:47:45,030 So that was originally the hold-up and the challenge, 604 00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:47,150 and that was able to be worked through. 605 00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:50,190 And once that was cleared for us, 606 00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:52,930 then we could now do an agreement 607 00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:56,350 that they could sublease with us, 608 00:47:56,350 --> 00:48:00,430 whereas originally, if Dodd was not amenable 609 00:48:00,430 --> 00:48:03,650 to having someone other than the city, 610 00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:11,290 by the property. If I can add also a part of the issue, if that has a lot of restrictions and 611 00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:17,130 drafting this sub-lease, which I drafted along with have a lot of conditions, and part of it was 612 00:48:17,130 --> 00:48:21,370 the back and forth in the responsibility and working with Rabbi Caller, who was going to be responsible 613 00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:27,770 for certain things, and there was a non-restricted hour type of situation where it would be open all 614 00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:34,230 time and every day. And that was a bit of a burden for how bad to take on. So there were 615 00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:39,190 negotiations back and forth. So when it was scheduled last time, we pulled it back because 616 00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:44,210 we were talking with the rabbi to try to mitigate some of those responsibilities that would 617 00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:49,870 be laid solely on the how bad, because that was a concern that rabbi had. So we're going to go back 618 00:48:49,870 --> 00:48:57,750 to F dot and in deal with F dot we had agreed with the rabbi that they would dictate the 619 00:48:57,750 --> 00:49:01,830 hours although it would be open to the public they would dictate the hours in the days 620 00:49:01,830 --> 00:49:05,410 and so on and so forth because our parts are not consistent in hours the different parts have 621 00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:12,990 different and as the deputy city manager had alluded to it believe on Tuesday that area because 622 00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:18,370 of the bridge in the lighting the hours have to be mitigated for that to the lighting is not always 623 00:49:18,370 --> 00:49:25,930 perfect at the same time as other parts are. So F dot wanted to have specific hours and specific 624 00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:28,830 So they had us put that back in. 625 00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:32,590 So that's why now the difference between what was here in June 626 00:49:33,210 --> 00:49:39,730 is there is a time from 8 a.m. to 1 hour before sunset 627 00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:42,250 and it's Monday through Sunday. 628 00:49:42,310 --> 00:49:45,230 And that was a requirement that F.D. wanted to put in there. 629 00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:47,510 So there's been a lot about in fourth with F.D. 630 00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:49,510 and that's part of the delay. 631 00:49:49,950 --> 00:49:51,290 Okay, thank you. 632 00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:59,950 So also, it's something the resolution says that it is allowed to be a playground, however, the country. 633 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:14,020 And we do need a playground or something like that, if it is a direct for the children. The resolution 634 00:50:14,020 --> 00:50:21,240 a minimum playground equipment, but like I said, in the FDOT approved use, it doesn't mention 635 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:27,880 the playground, actually I think it was taken out. So, um, and what agreement are you referring 636 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:36,900 to the use, which is the, the, the, the resolutions as a playground, and the, in the FDOT 637 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,920 use agreements, doesn't mention. That's the, but that's why we have the, we're waiting on the 638 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:49,240 to be signed, and that's one of the contingencies of any approval tonight, is we're waiting 639 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:55,480 for the final signature from F.D. on the addendum that you all approve with regards to the use, 640 00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:03,660 and the limitation in the actual sub-lisa agreement with, because it says limited, believe it says, 641 00:51:04,460 --> 00:51:09,200 how can we approve it? We don't have the addendum already, if the O.T. approves. 642 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,280 Because it's content you're going to approve a contingent on F.D. doing that. 643 00:51:13,540 --> 00:51:15,260 If F.D. signs it, you're good. 644 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,000 And if you have to don't, then we can sign this up. 645 00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:20,920 So that's the contingency that he is on this evening. 646 00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:26,080 And another thing here, it doesn't protect either the Chabad or the community 647 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:35,220 because it says specifically that for any reason they can terminate this counter within 30 days. 648 00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:36,840 Absolutely. It's their property. 649 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:37,700 Correct. 650 00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:47,340 So precisely, you know, so I do believe completely that we should be building this and that we do need the area and that we need the playground. 651 00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:50,360 I just in this we are doing this in the wrong process. 652 00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:57,540 It should be the responsibility of the city to build that maintain it open and close. 653 00:51:57,540 --> 00:52:10,960 The rabbi and the community can do a much better use of the money that they're going to be putting to build something that then a different commission FEO to your whoever can come and say you had to vacate in 30 days. 654 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:26,940 So like I said at the very beginning is really it is very unfortunate that if we needed this for so long and we knew about it, why are we now making this one of the priorities? 655 00:52:26,940 --> 00:52:32,140 right now we are building the budget. We're going to be talking about the budget and we're going to be 656 00:52:32,140 --> 00:52:36,720 approving the budget in three weeks or so the first hearing is going to be September 8. 657 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:43,200 We should be including the actually today. We have here in the agenda. Bella is a part 658 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:52,580 some contract with the architect. We just need to expand this code and make sure that we put this as a priority in our budget. 659 00:52:52,580 --> 00:52:59,540 We built it and then the whole community can use it according to the time set up with FDOT. 660 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,320 So this is the right thing with the wrong process. 661 00:53:03,820 --> 00:53:05,560 You guys should not be paying for it. 662 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:06,780 It should be the city. 663 00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:10,060 The city has around $100 million in reserve. 664 00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:17,100 Why are we going to take the money out of the Habat to be a public part that is going to be used by everyone? 665 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,480 This instrument just doesn't make any sense. 666 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:31,300 So, again, we want to build that, we should be built and it should be part of an inventory of playgrounds. 667 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:39,520 So, we keep it, we maintain it, we have the liability and you guys are going to be using it whenever you want. 668 00:53:39,940 --> 00:53:45,680 And then, if the bar goes to the bar, I'm going to ask you to play in that class. 669 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,320 So I haven't finished. 670 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,380 And if you're unfortunate that I think this commission, 671 00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:54,380 especially our police department, 672 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,320 do a fantastic job to make sure that our Jewish community 673 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,920 feels safe everywhere, 674 00:54:01,620 --> 00:54:03,260 from corner to corner of Sonia's. 675 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,980 And I really want to say, 676 00:54:06,340 --> 00:54:08,420 sorry for whatever feeling you're having 677 00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:11,940 of that you are hated or that is antisemitism 678 00:54:12,380 --> 00:54:13,740 in the community. 679 00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:22,620 I personally have experienced that and I hope that you guys don't feel is the common of our city because it is not. 680 00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:34,870 Talking about the rumors that have been circulated about this specific issue, I was contacted by the lady that we were making reference to. 681 00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:42,310 And I have one conversation with her in her restaurant and funny enough that they didn't 682 00:54:42,310 --> 00:54:46,690 she wanted to talk to me about it, who has issues that she was having with the H.O.A. in 683 00:54:46,690 --> 00:54:47,410 her restaurant. 684 00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:50,450 That was mainly the conversation. 685 00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:57,110 Also, they were feeling target by our current enforcement with the parking and I said, 686 00:54:57,110 --> 00:54:59,930 me myself, I got in tickets when busy. 687 00:55:00,860 --> 00:55:12,420 So, everybody is feeling target by the court enforcement. I only think the court enforcement is doing their job. So, I don't think anybody here is asking court enforcement to go specifically to any location. 688 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:27,920 And according with FEOT, I had never spoken to them even once about this specific issue. Nothing about parking that everyone wants for parking, nothing about the playground, nothing that has to do at all with this agreement. 689 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:41,380 I wish I had been part of this conversation three years ago, so I will push as much as I could to make sure that instead of building this right now, which will be building this three years prior. 690 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:57,360 So, like I said, actually, it should be finished a long time by now, so like I said, I wish my commission can be agreed to put this as a priority in our budget to make sure that it gets built. 691 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:04,240 As long as possible, and that the Russian highway doesn't have to put any money for it, it has to be by the city. 692 00:56:04,620 --> 00:56:05,500 Thank you. 693 00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:05,900 Okay. 694 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,560 Are there any other comments? 695 00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:22,490 I just think for myself that by doing the construction, it will take a quarter of the time that it would take the city just like an entrance coastal park. 696 00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:23,190 All right. 697 00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:28,450 So, for clarification and for the record, there's space in the city that's owned by F. 698 00:56:28,570 --> 00:56:30,610 Many of you have probably heard this before. 699 00:56:31,450 --> 00:56:39,870 So, any plans that we have that anyone has to build anything on F.Land is risky. 700 00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:43,810 Because at any point they can come in and say, we need the space to do whatever it is. 701 00:56:43,850 --> 00:56:48,450 We need to do it to fix the bridge or just because they want it back. 702 00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:58,050 That's why we have not built anything under the William Lehman because that's their land and likewise, this is the same thing. 703 00:56:58,570 --> 00:57:05,830 Additionally, because we have a process and we talked about this actually earlier in the workshop about that process. 704 00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:13,650 We are limited legally to how we choose our architects, contractors, all of those things. 705 00:57:13,650 --> 00:57:19,650 we have to put out a bid. That's one of the reasons one. There are others that it takes longer for 706 00:57:19,650 --> 00:57:27,650 the city to build something versus a private entity. And so if the city was to build anything, 707 00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:33,810 especially on land we don't own, it would require an extensive conversation, especially since 708 00:57:33,810 --> 00:57:40,670 we can't approve or even motion to approve something that doesn't have a price tag because that is 709 00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:47,230 in the end, you are money and we can't just be approving a blank check. I thank the 710 00:57:47,230 --> 00:57:53,310 Carter Valley family. Thank you. I know you're here to represent. You've always been so generous 711 00:57:54,390 --> 00:58:02,750 with the shoe, with the school. I know you since you were a little boy. And it's really a testament 712 00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:10,650 to this community, how you all came out and support, because especially looking around, many 713 00:58:10,650 --> 00:58:16,510 of you, I'm sure your kids are not going to be using the playground, your grandkids maybe, 714 00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:25,130 so it is really wonderful to see. And to comments made about anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism 715 00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:27,830 is real. It's in this community. 716 00:58:30,350 --> 00:58:31,690 Someone that's not Jewish, 717 00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:34,870 Commissioners Jews, and you wouldn't feel it, and you wouldn't see it. 718 00:58:36,050 --> 00:58:43,550 But those that do do, from what you would call potentially a minor 719 00:58:43,550 --> 00:58:46,630 infraction, like a swastika and pencil somewhere, 720 00:58:48,050 --> 00:58:54,050 to major things like very historical tropes 721 00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:58,670 about Jews and money and how I would support Israel 722 00:58:58,670 --> 00:59:00,190 because the Jews give me money. 723 00:59:00,630 --> 00:59:02,790 Those are the kind of things that are, 724 00:59:02,810 --> 00:59:04,050 that's anti-Semitism. 725 00:59:04,090 --> 00:59:06,570 I urge everyone to look up the Irish definition 726 00:59:06,570 --> 00:59:11,170 of anti-Semitism, which we have resolved here. 727 00:59:11,790 --> 00:59:13,870 The state has resolved that the county has, 728 00:59:14,570 --> 00:59:18,930 this is a big deal and we can't let any small thing go. 729 00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:21,690 We, as a community, regardless of your Jewish, 730 00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:23,410 because they first come for the Jews 731 00:59:23,410 --> 00:59:25,050 and then they come for everyone else. 732 00:59:25,610 --> 00:59:28,350 We have to work as a community to stamp it out. 733 00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:31,290 But more so I also want to urge all of you. 734 00:59:31,390 --> 00:59:33,690 You came here because the Rabbi urged you 735 00:59:33,690 --> 00:59:34,930 and this is super important. 736 00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:38,190 But I want you to come more often for things 737 00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:40,630 that are important to you because it matters 738 00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:42,350 and you're voice absolutely matters. 739 00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:44,510 And you're not even saying anything being here 740 00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:47,730 makes a huge difference of how the commission responds 741 00:59:47,730 --> 00:59:49,390 to any item or votes on any item. 742 00:59:49,930 --> 00:59:52,050 So thank you all for doing this. 743 00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:59,950 If there's no other comments from the commission, I'll take a look. 744 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,060 I'll make a motion. I'll second. Okay. All in favour? 745 01:00:03,060 --> 01:00:08,880 May adjust the clarify again. The contingency is you're approving contingent on F dot signing the 746 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:15,020 agenda. Correct. Correct. Okay. Do we need a new motion based on that? No. We have a motion on the table. 747 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:24,320 We have a second. All in favour? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. And you want to post? No. And by clarification, we have also 748 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,060 We'll allow that under the costway. 749 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,820 What we're doing right now is that we're making the community pay for something that the 750 01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:36,200 city should be paying for, and they should not be responsible or liable for this. 751 01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:39,440 Okay, it's not a genuine statement because it's not something that we can agree to tonight. 752 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,680 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to take a five minute break because I know some 753 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:44,360 of you want to leave. 754 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,500 I am not encouraging anyone to leave. 755 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:47,880 The item has been approved. 756 01:00:48,140 --> 01:00:52,700 I would ask for you to stay because it's good to stay and check it out, but I want to give 757 01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:58,700 one five minutes of that way it's not disruptive to the process. We will be back at 7.33. 758 01:06:03,090 --> 01:06:08,190 Commissioner Joseph said a good example by coming back up. 759 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,580 All right, gentlemen in the back. If you're staying, please have a seat. 760 01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:37,600 Okay. 761 01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:47,630 Okay, very dramatic. All right, we are back on. Maricio, next item, please, nine B. 762 01:06:47,890 --> 01:06:56,850 Nine B is a resolution approving an agreement with Millennium Products for the furnishing and installation of CCTV cameras at 22 bus applications throughout the city. 763 01:06:56,850 --> 01:07:11,250 Okay, Mr. City Manager. Mayer Vice Mayor, members of the Commission, this continues our commitment to public safety, and it will include the installation of 22 cameras at bus stops throughout the city. 764 01:07:11,790 --> 01:07:13,870 Okay. Do we have any public speakers? 765 01:07:15,250 --> 01:07:16,210 We do. 766 01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:16,610 Okay. 767 01:07:16,610 --> 01:07:17,830 Carly, in a cruise control office. 768 01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:20,110 Hi. 769 01:07:20,290 --> 01:07:21,430 Your name and address for the director. 770 01:07:22,050 --> 01:07:22,930 Good evening. 771 01:07:22,930 --> 01:07:26,730 Catalina Cruz, Buenos Aires, 1715, North Bay Road. 772 01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:30,610 So I'm here tonight to support this project, 773 01:07:30,970 --> 01:07:33,970 calling seven years one of the busiest area in our city. 774 01:07:34,430 --> 01:07:36,690 Every day, residents, students, seniors, workers, 775 01:07:37,450 --> 01:07:40,370 and visitors use these bus stops and sidewalks. 776 01:07:40,770 --> 01:07:43,530 This investment will help make those areas safer. 777 01:07:44,070 --> 01:07:46,210 These cameras will help the truck crime 778 01:07:46,210 --> 01:07:49,090 improve emergency response, support investigations, 779 01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:51,350 and enhance traffic safety. 780 01:07:51,350 --> 01:07:56,490 Most importantly, they will give residents greater peace of mind when you send our public spaces. 781 01:07:57,250 --> 01:07:59,650 I respectfully encourage the Commission to approach this item. 782 01:07:59,930 --> 01:08:00,810 Thank you. 783 01:08:01,230 --> 01:08:01,750 Any other speakers? 784 01:08:02,270 --> 01:08:03,030 Yes, ma'am. 785 01:08:03,330 --> 01:08:03,750 David Virgil. 786 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:09,000 Good evening. 787 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,160 Mayer, Vice Mayor and Commission. 788 01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,280 My name is David Virgil. 789 01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,140 My address is 1750. 790 01:08:13,420 --> 01:08:13,540 No. 791 01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:20,120 I believe the addition of these new cameras will help police better identify suspects. 792 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,400 If there's ever a theft or some crime at a bus stop, 793 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:30,420 It would also help police investigate any accidents occur in a nearby vicinity of the bus stops. 794 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,540 So, I am full of support of this because this will enhance public safety in the city, 795 01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:40,640 and it will continue to improve quality of life. 796 01:08:41,060 --> 01:08:41,840 So, thank you. 797 01:08:42,020 --> 01:08:42,680 Thank you, David. 798 01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:43,880 No, there's speakers. 799 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,320 All right. 800 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,160 I'll take any questions or comments from the commission. 801 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:50,580 I'll take a motion then. 802 01:08:50,580 --> 01:08:57,720 Well, I, I just, because I wasn't present at the agenda review, I had made a comment 803 01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:07,580 over the phone actually regarding our, our police camera wall, our wall, and we have, 804 01:09:07,580 --> 01:09:08,440 yeah, the tech wall. 805 01:09:09,020 --> 01:09:20,380 So I had asked how many actual shots, camera shots can the wall see it one time and apparently 806 01:09:20,380 --> 01:09:23,200 It's they're constantly changing is that correct? 807 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:31,020 So Mr. City manager if you want to clarify that and you were on the phone for the meeting. Yes 808 01:09:31,020 --> 01:09:33,660 Yes, hello 809 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,380 Vice Mayor and commissioners. Yes to your point. We can see sixty four 810 01:09:40,340 --> 01:09:44,880 Cameras at once, but what is unique about our system is we use analytics 811 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:50,120 So there are different alarms we can set where there's an anomaly in the camera to text that 812 01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:57,340 it will preemptively set and alert. So we've had great success using that and it works well, honestly. 813 01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,960 Yeah, so that's what I had asked at the... 814 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,940 Let's say at the elevator, at the crossover, at gate. 815 01:10:10,740 --> 01:10:16,880 The other day, but I've been in a various event. 816 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,340 That immediately comes up on the camera or no? 817 01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:24,060 Yes, so right now we have an alarm set specifically to those elevators. 818 01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:31,280 I believe it's midnight to about 5am so anytime somebody were to use the elevators that will just pop up on the screen and we're watching them. 819 01:10:32,140 --> 01:10:35,840 Yeah, so you don't have to have someone eyeing the screen constantly. 820 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,240 No, no, it's a force multiplier. 821 01:10:37,380 --> 01:10:37,620 Right. 822 01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:38,640 It works. 823 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:40,820 Okay. 824 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:41,940 Thank you. 825 01:10:42,380 --> 01:10:44,120 Since you're up there. 826 01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:51,000 At one time at how many actual people are looking at the hyperwall reviewing the footage. 827 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:57,560 So at the Hebrew all specifically, right now, as it's constructed, it's whoever's in communications, right? 828 01:10:57,980 --> 01:11:02,940 So we've got an alpha and a bravo shift, so a day, night shift, there's an overlap. 829 01:11:03,220 --> 01:11:06,120 So they would overlap six hours on each shift and then there's a supervisor. 830 01:11:07,460 --> 01:11:13,880 There are people that run the software I run into my office all the time, Sergeant Cohnitz, and so there's eyes on it. 831 01:11:14,980 --> 01:11:19,380 All those supervisors have access at their desktop, so a lot of them do run it when they're in the station. 832 01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:22,420 So, it's monitored 24-7, right? 833 01:11:22,420 --> 01:11:25,380 Because there are dispatches, but the users, 834 01:11:25,540 --> 01:11:27,880 I mean, just depends on how many people are actually at the station. 835 01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:30,620 And this was discussed during the agenda review, 836 01:11:30,740 --> 01:11:33,040 but just for the purposes since we do have people in the audience. 837 01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:35,620 How long do we keep the footage for? 838 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:36,360 30 days. 839 01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:37,140 30 days. 840 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:37,720 Okay. 841 01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:40,740 And the cameras will be able to capture, 842 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,160 not just the actual interior of the bus stop, 843 01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:46,860 they'll also capture depending on where we position it, 844 01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:48,100 parts of Collins Avenue. 845 01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:53,240 Correct. Well, you know, the original intention was to set a lawyer in alarm. So leveraging those analytics 846 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:59,680 at the bus shelters. So if anybody were at the shelters not for purposes of using the bus 847 01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,500 Right, it would generate an alert 848 01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:05,300 And we can kind of get eyes on what that whatever that situation is in respond accordingly 849 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,720 It will see up and down the sidewalks and Collins Avenue 850 01:12:09,220 --> 01:12:14,340 Which will help us with with the next item and give us perspective of the entire city right? 851 01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:19,580 we have had in the past people that regrettably have gotten into some sort of either 852 01:12:20,380 --> 01:12:26,800 vendors or car accidents that have assumed that we have a video of it, but now in many places we will. 853 01:12:26,900 --> 01:12:27,360 We will. 854 01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:30,380 Did you want to add something to my area of North Bay Road? 855 01:12:30,580 --> 01:12:31,060 I have covered. 856 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:31,580 You do. 857 01:12:31,780 --> 01:12:32,000 You do. 858 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,220 Getting in and out of Golden Shores every single location. 859 01:12:34,540 --> 01:12:35,020 Thank you. 860 01:12:35,140 --> 01:12:36,080 Anyone else have a comment? 861 01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:37,140 Okay. 862 01:12:37,260 --> 01:12:38,140 I'll take a motion. 863 01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:38,760 Motion. 864 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:40,600 All right. 865 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:41,360 All in favor? 866 01:12:41,660 --> 01:12:42,100 Hi. 867 01:12:42,620 --> 01:12:43,200 Thank you. 868 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:44,500 Next item, please? 869 01:12:44,740 --> 01:12:52,200 I see as a resolution of proving an agreement with Millennium Products for the expansion of the police department's real-time crime center. 870 01:12:53,220 --> 01:13:04,060 Mayor Vice Mayor, Madam of the Commission, this is going to bring together all of our technology in a central hub to be located within the police department. 871 01:13:04,540 --> 01:13:06,380 Okay. Do we have any public speakers? 872 01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:09,260 Steven Hirsch. 873 01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:09,520 Okay. 874 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,640 Steven Hirsch, 1721 Collins. 875 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:24,440 I support this resolution that greatly improves the public safety of our city, the successful 876 01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:31,020 accomplishment of the police department's mission increasingly depends upon timely within 877 01:13:31,020 --> 01:13:38,620 seconds notifications of incidents, not notifications after the incident is over. The real 878 01:13:38,620 --> 01:13:45,620 time crime center brings together technologies that would otherwise operate separately. It integrates 879 01:13:45,620 --> 01:13:52,340 the live and recorded camera feeds, licensed plate readers, detections, alerts, can set analytics 880 01:13:52,340 --> 01:13:58,780 as the deputy chief mentioned, investigative information data from state and local enforcement 881 01:13:58,780 --> 01:14:06,220 partners, and its analytical tools are trained, our personal are trained in utilizing the 882 01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:12,000 analytical tools so they can connect information and communicate it to the officers in 883 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:17,940 field. Consider a reported burglary, stolen vehicle, our missing and danger resident. 884 01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:23,520 While officers are responding, the crime center personnel can examine nearby cameras, 885 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:28,740 search for a vehicle or license plate to terminate its possible direction of travel, 886 01:14:29,140 --> 01:14:33,960 display the information on the map, identify potential threats to residents or officers, 887 01:14:34,460 --> 01:14:40,100 and check all connected law enforcement systems. Instead of officers arriving with only 888 01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:47,200 limited information provided during the original 911 call. Officers can receive a description 889 01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:53,760 of the person involved, vehicle descriptions, last-known locations, and any dangers they may encounter 890 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:59,960 on the arrival of the scene. This supports a faster, safer and better police. 891 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,100 After a crime investigators can use the same system for follow-up and investigative work. 892 01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:27,680 My research to close through the company that this system provides shared video wall for live, visual and viewing of the scene monitored by up to four fully equipped work stations, mapping the software and the ability for officers to do their work. 893 01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:34,340 The most important thing though to take from this is that this technology does not replace 894 01:15:34,340 --> 01:15:39,960 police officers or a professional judgment. It makes them more effective. 895 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:45,800 Approving the real-time crime centers and investment and officer safety, timely responses, 896 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:52,160 stronger investigations, protection of property, and most importantly, the departments of 897 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:58,160 the late protect lives and every type of situation. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other speakers? 898 01:15:58,460 --> 01:15:59,060 David Virgil. 899 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:04,640 And if you're coming up a second time, you don't have to say your name and address for the record. 900 01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:14,300 Good evening. My name is David Virgil. I believe this real-time crime sensor will continue to improve the safety of our police officers by allowing them to view 901 01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:21,400 the locations where they were respond to ahead of time and that will enhance their safety and the safety of residents in the area. 902 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:26,720 So I'm in full support of this item and it's great to have this in our city. 903 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:27,620 So thank you. 904 01:16:27,620 --> 01:16:28,400 Thank you. 905 01:16:29,020 --> 01:16:29,700 Oh, there's speakers. 906 01:16:29,820 --> 01:16:30,180 Okay. 907 01:16:30,380 --> 01:16:31,900 I'll take a comment from the commission. 908 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,120 Commission just we've been going first a lot. 909 01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:35,860 When else I'll go on this one. 910 01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:40,400 I think what I think is on the previous item that one of our speakers said that 911 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,300 this is an investment and on our budget it looks like an expense. 912 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,520 But it really is an investment and obviously I support it. 913 01:16:50,380 --> 01:16:50,860 Thank you. 914 01:16:52,840 --> 01:17:00,860 I just want to express, you know, and give kudos to our police department, the staff that is making this possible. 915 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:09,080 Obviously we've implemented the drones in our police department got the accreditation when it comes to technology. 916 01:17:09,380 --> 01:17:15,920 They've been implementing a lot of new technologies and this is the latest example of it. 917 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,580 And I think it's just for the good of the community. 918 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:20,780 And you see the results. 919 01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:28,640 I mean, anytime something happens, we are quick to take action and to arrest whoever needs 920 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,640 to be arrested, et cetera, et cetera. 921 01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:36,920 So, you know, I just want to express how happy I am that, you know, these things are just 922 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,520 working and you guys are doing a great job. 923 01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:44,760 Yeah. 924 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,740 Yeah, this is great. 925 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:47,420 This is amazing. 926 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,640 I totally support it. 927 01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:53,780 My only issue, continuing with now having the vendor present. 928 01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:57,620 We are giving around $2 million in contract to one vendor. 929 01:17:58,460 --> 01:18:01,760 We should be able to congratulate them here for the product. 930 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,080 Once again, the process is the problem. 931 01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:06,140 Now, the result. 932 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:07,100 Not into you. 933 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:08,020 We should go ahead. 934 01:18:08,300 --> 01:18:09,900 So you're going to do amazing. 935 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,300 So as a best practice, 936 01:18:12,300 --> 01:18:17,580 we should be able to have the vendor here in case that we have even any questions about the 937 01:18:17,580 --> 01:18:24,640 product that we are giving all this money for. So I am in support of these. I am not in support 938 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:30,880 of the lack of transparency when we are not having the vendor come to the meetings. 939 01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:37,420 As if not a requirement or at least a request. So we can tell them thank you for what you're doing for us. 940 01:18:37,420 --> 01:18:38,540 Yes. 941 01:18:39,140 --> 01:18:45,580 So I would like to second that part of what Commissioner Fabiola said when I became a commissioner 942 01:18:45,580 --> 01:18:52,680 in 2022 we had 54 officers and I said at that time we need to get the 75 and with 943 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:59,740 this great commission we've always supported our police department and we're at what 74 now 944 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:07,740 Yeah, so good. We're getting very close and that's what we need to have full 945 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:17,820 staff changing, right? Yeah, and with all the new equipment and all, we lead the state, 946 01:19:18,340 --> 01:19:25,900 the city leads the state where number one, as far as bringing in new innovation, and that's what we intend to keep going. 947 01:19:25,900 --> 01:19:26,460 Okay. 948 01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,340 Thank you. 949 01:19:29,220 --> 01:19:31,180 I'm not going to repeat what everyone else said. 950 01:19:31,420 --> 01:19:32,380 We love our police department. 951 01:19:33,700 --> 01:19:37,320 I would say we are the safest city in all of Florida, which says a lot. 952 01:19:38,260 --> 01:19:39,160 And it's not by accident. 953 01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:42,400 So these investments do make a huge difference. 954 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,180 They continue to make the city safe. 955 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,620 I am 100% trust your process. 956 01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:50,540 How you do things? 957 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,000 If there's any questions, you are all available to answer them. 958 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:59,900 the vendor as well during the agenda review if we wanted to do it at that time and the 959 01:20:00,110 --> 01:20:08,850 The results is always good and that is a testament to the work that you do, the processes that you have, obviously the accreditation is huge. 960 01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:15,010 So thank you. Thank you very much. All right. I'll take a no-clap thing. I'll take a motion. 961 01:20:16,750 --> 01:20:17,170 A second. 962 01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:18,370 All in favour? 963 01:20:19,050 --> 01:20:19,210 Aye. 964 01:20:19,410 --> 01:20:19,750 Aye. All right. 965 01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:20,670 Nineteep, please. 966 01:20:23,330 --> 01:20:23,810 Nineteep, please. 967 01:20:24,190 --> 01:20:24,970 Nineteep, please. 968 01:20:28,110 --> 01:20:28,270 Nineteep, please. 969 01:20:28,410 --> 01:20:29,310 Nineteep, please. 970 01:20:29,310 --> 01:20:29,690 Nineteep, please. 971 01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:31,150 Nineteep, please. 972 01:20:31,150 --> 01:20:35,650 and waving the bidding requirements of chapter 62 of the city's court of ordinances, a 973 01:20:35,650 --> 01:20:40,050 proven agreement with vetted security solutions to provide maintenance and as needed repairs, 974 01:20:40,650 --> 01:20:43,430 the city security cameras hardware and software. 975 01:20:44,290 --> 01:20:45,030 Is there any manager? 976 01:20:45,630 --> 01:20:47,110 Mayor Vice-Mairman was the commission. 977 01:20:47,610 --> 01:20:52,470 This company is the one that maintains the hardware and software for cameras. 978 01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:58,070 So my discussions with the police department in order to avoid any disruption of our surveillance 979 01:20:58,070 --> 01:21:04,490 system in continuing public safety. We want to prove a one-year agreement with the vetted 980 01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:12,970 to wave the bidding requirements and participate in ongoing maintenance services for these cameras. 981 01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:14,910 Thank you. Do we have public speakers? 982 01:21:16,210 --> 01:21:21,130 No, ma. Okay. Public comment is closed. Comments are questions in the commission. 983 01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:24,750 So, what are the warranties on these particular cameras? 984 01:21:27,650 --> 01:21:30,230 That's another reason to be able to have the vendor here. 985 01:21:30,610 --> 01:21:33,370 So, it's five years on hardware and one year on software. 986 01:21:34,590 --> 01:21:38,490 So, have we had several that have been replaced? 987 01:21:39,070 --> 01:21:39,550 Yes. 988 01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:39,950 Yeah. 989 01:21:40,510 --> 01:21:40,990 Right. 990 01:21:41,950 --> 01:21:44,350 And do we have a vandalism problem in the city? 991 01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:46,830 We do not have a vandalism problem. 992 01:21:46,830 --> 01:21:55,110 I will say there was one site that could have been when I was certain, so on one occasion unfortunately maybe. 993 01:21:57,230 --> 01:21:57,830 Okay. 994 01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:58,230 Thank you. 995 01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:58,390 Sure. 996 01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:59,230 Thank you. 997 01:22:01,410 --> 01:22:07,010 I, for what I understand here is a three year service agreement, not one year. 998 01:22:07,950 --> 01:22:15,110 And because I was reading this once again here, I am not comfortable with a, 999 01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:21,650 a lack of building process. So we start with this company in 2022, then 2024, 1000 01:22:22,450 --> 01:22:26,590 2006. And now we are asking for a three-year agreement. There have been nine years 1001 01:22:26,590 --> 01:22:32,230 and no building. And one of the reasons that I was reading here for that is due to the 1002 01:22:32,230 --> 01:22:39,730 familiarity of this company with the software and the hardware, which by the way, that's not for you, 1003 01:22:39,730 --> 01:22:44,570 look, which is, by the way, is going to be only growing by year. 1004 01:22:45,650 --> 01:22:50,530 So we are navigating because we've been working with them. 1005 01:22:51,170 --> 01:22:55,770 So that means every year that we continue working and we're navigating the 1006 01:22:55,770 --> 01:22:57,370 familiarity is growing. 1007 01:22:58,110 --> 01:23:00,090 So it was going to become like a monopoly. 1008 01:23:00,470 --> 01:23:03,370 We're never going to be the anyway, because nobody's going to have 1009 01:23:03,370 --> 01:23:04,170 the familiarity. 1010 01:23:04,170 --> 01:23:09,770 So, here again, the process is what I am questioning, not the product. 1011 01:23:12,270 --> 01:23:17,910 We, not in says that there is no competition or it is in practical, it just says that 1012 01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:22,410 we should be continuing working with them because we've been working with them in the past. 1013 01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:28,830 And now it's a three years agreement, if it's one year, I will feel it may be better with 1014 01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:33,610 the condition that then is going to go to bed and maybe there's going to be the winners 1015 01:23:33,610 --> 01:23:34,910 because they're the best, probably. 1016 01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:37,550 The point is that we cannot continue 1017 01:23:37,550 --> 01:23:39,770 not being in this kind of contracts, 1018 01:23:40,130 --> 01:23:42,830 because in this case, specifically, like I said, 1019 01:23:43,410 --> 01:23:45,750 the justification to continue with the vendor 1020 01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:48,610 because we've been working with them for a long time. 1021 01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:50,970 So, is it one year, is it three years? 1022 01:23:51,370 --> 01:23:56,770 Because the whereas here in page 238 is an approved 1023 01:23:56,770 --> 01:23:58,850 a three year service agreement with a contract 1024 01:23:58,850 --> 01:24:02,030 to provide maintenance service to the city security environment. 1025 01:24:02,030 --> 01:24:12,510 I just want to have the clarification, and if that's the case that we're doing an agreement for extra three years without beating, then I can't support this. 1026 01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:17,500 Do you want to serve to that? 1027 01:24:17,980 --> 01:24:18,540 You're just... 1028 01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:20,600 No, no, no, no. 1029 01:24:20,780 --> 01:24:22,000 Yeah, but it's not for local. 1030 01:24:22,060 --> 01:24:30,460 I just want to know for the term that we are approving it, and that reason not to be beating this project. 1031 01:24:30,980 --> 01:24:33,700 If we're going to be, if we're being with the St. Company for six years. 1032 01:24:33,700 --> 01:24:37,440 Okay, I think Luke can answer because we have to go ahead. 1033 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,340 So when we say familiarity, I mean, it's really more than just knowing the system, right? 1034 01:24:42,620 --> 01:24:45,820 Specifically with this real-time crime build out that we're doing, 1035 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,460 you know, most agencies kind of just hang monitors all walls, right? 1036 01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,940 But what that it is going to do is they're going to come in with a team of engineers, 1037 01:24:54,260 --> 01:24:57,860 and they're looking at what software we use on a daily basis, 1038 01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:59,940 and it's going to be on this beautiful map. 1039 01:25:00,050 --> 01:25:06,790 And they're going to pull in all of this software into one interface. So they're building this specifically for us. 1040 01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:12,230 In addition to that, there's going to be automations. So say there's a robbery at 178th in Collins. 1041 01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:20,030 Rather than at present, we would have to go look at cameras on one software. We could launch a drone on another software. 1042 01:25:20,510 --> 01:25:26,150 We could look at license plate readers on another software. I mean, just that process could take 20 minutes, right? 1043 01:25:26,150 --> 01:25:28,530 We're all familiar with the city, so geographically we're small. 1044 01:25:29,150 --> 01:25:31,370 So what they're building for us is an automation 1045 01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:34,150 where as soon as that information is put into our computer 1046 01:25:34,150 --> 01:25:36,450 system, the information will automatically 1047 01:25:36,450 --> 01:25:37,750 be displayed to the operators. 1048 01:25:38,690 --> 01:25:40,710 So if there's a robbery, well, unfortunately, 1049 01:25:40,990 --> 01:25:44,530 1178 in Collins, we hope by 1-A-O, the information 1050 01:25:44,530 --> 01:25:48,230 is right there, a drone is launched, the camera feeds 1051 01:25:48,230 --> 01:25:49,890 your live, we've got license plate readers. 1052 01:25:50,510 --> 01:25:53,130 So those automations in those builds are very particular. 1053 01:25:53,130 --> 01:25:58,570 right and they are coming out and they're really I mean really forward thinking company and 1054 01:25:59,550 --> 01:26:05,010 leveraging analytics and building the software I don't know how practical it would be not 1055 01:26:05,010 --> 01:26:12,450 impossible to bring somebody else in I think it would be an exceptional cost we did it we went from one 1056 01:26:12,450 --> 01:26:18,870 vendor who had been bought out several times ultimately to a huge company they were terrible honestly 1057 01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:20,130 And that happens often. 1058 01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:20,890 It does, right? 1059 01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:22,850 And every time they got bought out, it got worse and worse. 1060 01:26:22,990 --> 01:26:24,090 And they got bigger and bigger. 1061 01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:28,590 And unfortunately, it got to the point where the system wasn't working. 1062 01:26:29,230 --> 01:26:33,770 So we had to pay an exceptional amount of money to come in because now it's other people's 1063 01:26:33,770 --> 01:26:37,830 infrastructure that they've built, right, conduit that they've laid and connections they've 1064 01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:38,170 made. 1065 01:26:38,370 --> 01:26:39,150 And it was inadequate. 1066 01:26:39,390 --> 01:26:45,130 So we needed to spend a lot of money to get it up to par and get them to do agreements 1067 01:26:45,130 --> 01:26:45,990 with us like this. 1068 01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:48,850 because otherwise, we're paying a GSA labor rate, 1069 01:26:48,910 --> 01:26:50,970 which I believe is like $158 an hour. 1070 01:26:52,030 --> 01:26:54,870 So, you know, if you look at what it would truly cost, 1071 01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:56,790 it just makes a lot of sense in particular scenario. 1072 01:26:57,490 --> 01:26:58,870 So, wait, wait, wait, wait. 1073 01:26:58,870 --> 01:27:00,750 Let me see her, she's got the floor, and then we move on. 1074 01:27:01,030 --> 01:27:02,950 And I totally agree with the process. 1075 01:27:03,230 --> 01:27:04,470 And English is great. 1076 01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:05,470 That's what I said. 1077 01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:08,530 This is not about how they're going to be built in it. 1078 01:27:08,610 --> 01:27:11,290 I'm pretty sure that they're going to be great. 1079 01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:14,670 And if they're being working with us for so long, 1080 01:27:14,670 --> 01:27:20,850 It's a testament to how good the Mosby, anyway, we're talking about technology and it's changing by the second. 1081 01:27:21,130 --> 01:27:32,070 You know, so that's what I said that this was not a question for the product, it's more that for the process that we are doing to continue doing this. 1082 01:27:32,350 --> 01:27:38,250 And that's my point, you know, right now we are getting into this contract for three years with this company. 1083 01:27:38,250 --> 01:27:43,390 now knowing if tomorrow they get bought, but I'll be company and now we're going to be talking 1084 01:27:43,390 --> 01:27:48,850 about exactly what you're talking in right now. This can happen. So that scenario that you 1085 01:27:48,850 --> 01:27:54,530 just said that happened with a previous vendor, once again if we had the vendor here they will 1086 01:27:54,530 --> 01:28:00,210 be the ones asking those questions and one question that I'll be asking the vendor will be who's 1087 01:28:00,210 --> 01:28:08,230 your competition and they will tell us right here right now which are the other companies that they're 1088 01:28:08,230 --> 01:28:10,630 what we do only us do that. 1089 01:28:10,810 --> 01:28:13,670 Which is fine, you know, for my point is that we can 1090 01:28:13,670 --> 01:28:16,630 continue relying in a process where we are just 1091 01:28:16,630 --> 01:28:18,430 cutting our own procurement process. 1092 01:28:19,090 --> 01:28:21,050 So that's what it makes me feel uncomfortable. 1093 01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:22,810 And again, I want the clarification. 1094 01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:25,910 Is this agreement is going to be for one year or for three 1095 01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:26,670 years? 1096 01:28:27,890 --> 01:28:28,010 OK. 1097 01:28:28,210 --> 01:28:28,690 Right? 1098 01:28:30,330 --> 01:28:31,070 OK, not. 1099 01:28:31,070 --> 01:28:33,470 I said one year, one week, when we started. 1100 01:28:34,150 --> 01:28:37,230 So, initially, the initial one was one year. 1101 01:28:37,230 --> 01:28:43,950 It's this agreement, it's for 36 months, yes, correct, and that's the whole thing on my point. 1102 01:28:44,210 --> 01:28:54,270 I had no doubt that what they do is incredible and it's amazing, and yes, it's hard to ever say not to you guys, ever. 1103 01:28:55,050 --> 01:29:06,850 Okay, it's just it's almost impossible in this event, specifically, I do believe that best practice should be for us to do this agreement for one year. 1104 01:29:07,230 --> 01:29:15,290 And then if there is no other vendor that can procure the same kind of service, then we're going to continue with them anyway. 1105 01:29:16,230 --> 01:29:22,890 But if not that's not the case that the justification to continue with them is because they've been with us from the very beginning. 1106 01:29:23,470 --> 01:29:34,130 Then I do believe we should be doing invitation to bid to us as Commissioners Lama's point earlier today during our workshop. 1107 01:29:35,470 --> 01:29:36,510 May I? 1108 01:29:36,510 --> 01:29:39,310 Could you just let Vice-Mercy speak and then I'll give you the floor? 1109 01:29:39,850 --> 01:29:51,170 I think that given the scope of the work that we're talking about, I don't think one year is enough and I support it the way that it is. 1110 01:29:51,330 --> 01:29:52,170 Okay. Commissioner Joseph? 1111 01:29:52,450 --> 01:29:52,610 Yes. 1112 01:29:53,090 --> 01:29:57,570 So this company is applying the hardware and the software, all right? 1113 01:29:57,850 --> 01:29:59,970 So they're an integrator. So Motorola... 1114 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,660 Ones, what's called a vigilance, like a subsidiary of Motorola, that's the cameras we use. Right. So they're the integrated of the installer. 1115 01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:20,740 Okay. So software creator in this instance. So over the three years, and you know how fast technology changes, are they? Do we have anything in the agreement that there are upgrades for the cameras involved or no? 1116 01:30:20,740 --> 01:30:24,560 So we buy the cameras, so we're buying them, so we own them. 1117 01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:24,820 We do. 1118 01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:26,600 So we're stuck. 1119 01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,640 So like to software will update, right? 1120 01:30:28,820 --> 01:30:34,340 So it's there's versions that they can push out for the cameras to no better until they're end of life. 1121 01:30:34,420 --> 01:30:43,900 Let me tell you because under the under the way technology is changing so fast and with cameras, you know, 1122 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,820 bringing in AI technology every day. 1123 01:30:47,820 --> 01:30:54,920 I mean, they'd make more sense for us to lease the cameras and then have them be able to upgrade 1124 01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,960 as the new technology evolves. I think that 1125 01:31:00,340 --> 01:31:05,520 the only thing that we're stuck with these cameras in two years they could be outdated. 1126 01:31:06,940 --> 01:31:11,460 In two years I don't think they would because really it's you're looking at the video management system 1127 01:31:11,460 --> 01:31:16,640 right so the software that's powering these cameras. No, I'm still going to have the cameras are going to be working. 1128 01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:22,980 Right, but there's always going to be newer technology, but sure there'll be newer technology. They make enhancements though to make them 1129 01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:25,580 suit our needs 1130 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:32,940 When they go through their life cycle, we have cameras that are ten years old that are operating right now, and they work pretty well 1131 01:31:33,380 --> 01:31:36,040 And it's just cost prohibitive to switch 1132 01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:41,760 You know, almost 500 cameras at once, but do you know what the difference would have been to 1133 01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,500 at least, and they wouldn't all be able to do it. 1134 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:46,920 And fortunately, the only company that I've ever heard of, 1135 01:31:47,060 --> 01:31:48,660 that least is cameras is flock. 1136 01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:50,980 And if anybody's followed the media lately, 1137 01:31:51,340 --> 01:31:54,340 they don't have them for a reason, right? 1138 01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,820 So that would be the only opportunity that I've ever heard of 1139 01:31:57,820 --> 01:31:59,800 about listening unless you're getting to a, 1140 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,220 there's like government financing programs and pay 1141 01:32:02,220 --> 01:32:03,260 7% interest. 1142 01:32:03,900 --> 01:32:06,080 So I wouldn't recommend it. 1143 01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,480 So right now, these cameras are the newest. 1144 01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,040 They are technology. 1145 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:17,780 I should at least be the newest technology for the next six months. 1146 01:32:17,940 --> 01:32:18,300 Correct. 1147 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:19,080 Correct. 1148 01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:20,620 Okay. 1149 01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:21,520 Commission Lama. 1150 01:32:22,300 --> 01:32:22,480 Yeah. 1151 01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:30,440 So I think that when it comes to softer and systems, you know, it's a long-term commitment. 1152 01:32:30,620 --> 01:32:35,680 I mean, that's why you see companies and you see governments when they adopt some sort of softer 1153 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:42,980 system on how to operate, it cannot be for a year or even two years. I think it's a long-term 1154 01:32:42,980 --> 01:32:49,260 commitment. Obviously it doesn't mean that 10 years down the road, you're revisiting everything 1155 01:32:49,260 --> 01:32:54,860 and you've got to see that system and the softer that you have in place is still doing the job 1156 01:32:54,860 --> 01:33:02,320 as intended. But yeah, when it comes to softer integrations and systems, it's something that, 1157 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:09,220 you know, it's it's very involved and you cannot just, you know, bid it out all the time. 1158 01:33:09,540 --> 01:33:16,820 And also, if I may. Yeah. Because it's custom built. This is something being done just for us. 1159 01:33:17,020 --> 01:33:22,580 You don't want to get left hanging like in the middle of the project. It would be disruptive. 1160 01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:31,400 If I may. We've been with them for six years already. Six. This is a maintenance agreement for three more. 1161 01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:40,740 So everything is already done. It's gonna continue. They're gonna continue in degrading, but so to be accurate 1162 01:33:40,740 --> 01:33:47,120 We've been with the same company for six years now and now we are in three more 1163 01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:58,180 Without even going to the market to find out if there is anything better so I'm not saying to get into a contra with a company for one year 1164 01:33:58,180 --> 01:33:59,980 We've been six years with them 1165 01:33:59,980 --> 01:34:04,380 No, we just listen, we just listen, we just listen, we just listen, we just listen. 1166 01:34:04,380 --> 01:34:05,680 Commissioner Joseph, Commissioner. 1167 01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:06,540 Hello. 1168 01:34:06,780 --> 01:34:07,240 Hello. 1169 01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:07,760 Hello, everyone. 1170 01:34:08,420 --> 01:34:10,720 Can we remember that we have rules here? 1171 01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:11,020 Please. 1172 01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:11,520 One second. 1173 01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:13,760 Commissioner Lamar, did you have anything to add? 1174 01:34:14,440 --> 01:34:14,920 No, no. 1175 01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:18,220 I mean, Commissioner of Stuice had mentioned one year. 1176 01:34:18,220 --> 01:34:21,980 So that's why I brought that up when you're implementing systems and software. 1177 01:34:22,660 --> 01:34:28,380 I know we've been with them for six years and when it comes to software and systems, 1178 01:34:28,380 --> 01:34:32,820 I don't think this is anything extraordinary to be quite honest, yeah. 1179 01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,100 Commissioner Joseph, you have the floor. 1180 01:34:34,440 --> 01:34:35,320 No, I was just wondering. 1181 01:34:35,820 --> 01:34:38,440 So now the six-year issue came up. 1182 01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:40,860 So when did we actually purchase these cameras? 1183 01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:45,300 Just depends where, with site, we've been working at this since 2014. 1184 01:34:46,340 --> 01:34:49,320 So at some locations, we have six-year-old cameras. 1185 01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,400 And some other locations, we've got that we kind of older. 1186 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,220 But if they're functioning in its, you know, an area that is in critical, 1187 01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,960 if it's like a server room somewhere, you know, where you just need to go. 1188 01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:20,160 So what is the newest cameras we have? Weeks old? Weeks old? Okay. Yeah. All right. So it runs the gamut. It does. 1189 01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,220 we in those now in six years ago. 1190 01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,780 Are there any other comments? 1191 01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:28,160 I have a question. 1192 01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:30,700 How long have we been in law enforcement? 1193 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,060 20 years in jail. 1194 01:35:32,060 --> 01:35:32,540 20 years in jail. 1195 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:34,780 But OK, and how long have you been with Sunny Asvich? 1196 01:35:34,860 --> 01:35:35,660 20 years. 1197 01:35:35,860 --> 01:35:36,280 Amazing. 1198 01:35:38,380 --> 01:35:40,980 How confident and comfortable are you with this proposal 1199 01:35:40,980 --> 01:35:42,680 and what you are requesting? 1200 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:43,620 Very. 1201 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:47,280 I think that makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons. 1202 01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:53,160 Okay, you as the expert, I'm going to, you know, go with what it is that you are asking 1203 01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,580 you for, and with that, I'll take a motion. 1204 01:35:55,940 --> 01:35:56,120 Thank you. 1205 01:35:56,260 --> 01:35:57,140 I'll make a motion. 1206 01:35:57,340 --> 01:35:57,760 I'll second. 1207 01:35:58,060 --> 01:35:58,500 All in favour? 1208 01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:59,300 Aye. 1209 01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:00,080 Any opposed? 1210 01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:01,420 No. 1211 01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:02,060 Thank you, sir. 1212 01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:02,880 Thank you very much. 1213 01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:03,800 Next item, please? 1214 01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:11,720 9E is resolution approving a press amendment to the agreement with the Compass Group USAID's 1215 01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:12,980 Profit of Ending Machine Services. 1216 01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:14,560 Mr. City Manager? 1217 01:36:15,220 --> 01:36:16,640 Mayor Vice Mayor Members of the Commission. 1218 01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:24,300 this is for citywide vending services and two companies that submitted proposal to the solicitation 1219 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:33,700 in the company that we ended up going with, we provide us 27% of gross sales for a five-year 1220 01:36:33,700 --> 01:36:45,740 contractor. Okay, do we have public speakers? No ma'am. Okay, public comment is closed. I'll take 1221 01:36:45,740 --> 01:36:54,240 these bending machine chains in the last few years. What specific data you asking about? 1222 01:36:54,520 --> 01:37:01,320 Any day, I don't have any data. It says here that, because this is a incomproducing, we don't 1223 01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:06,580 have anything that tells how much money we're making. So of course, we are going to continue 1224 01:37:06,580 --> 01:37:14,020 having the service and if that's the best company to do it, amazing. But I think we are lacking the 1225 01:37:14,020 --> 01:37:18,280 information, at least to compare how much money we're making, at least in the last three 1226 01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:22,000 years, four years, five years. We have zero data about it. 1227 01:37:22,340 --> 01:37:29,540 Mr. City Manager, I'd like some clarification, so the 27% is what we make off of the 1228 01:37:29,540 --> 01:37:30,880 the Venom machines. Correct. 1229 01:37:32,020 --> 01:37:32,860 And do you have it? 1230 01:37:32,860 --> 01:37:38,180 It was 21%. When we went out to bid, it's now 27%. 1231 01:37:38,180 --> 01:37:43,260 Okay, and do you have information as to what the industry standard is as far as percentage? 1232 01:37:44,660 --> 01:37:52,840 That was based on a piggyback agreement, so I would say that as industry standard for the most part. 1233 01:37:53,720 --> 01:38:00,380 And as far as how much money we make off these vending machines, isn't it really depend on what food is in there? 1234 01:38:00,940 --> 01:38:02,260 And how popular it is with the kids? 1235 01:38:02,460 --> 01:38:03,080 Do we have... 1236 01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:06,660 Off the top of your head because this wasn't requested before, do you know how much money we make? 1237 01:38:07,180 --> 01:38:07,340 Okay. 1238 01:38:07,900 --> 01:38:09,560 Because you did request it on Tuesday. 1239 01:38:09,820 --> 01:38:10,900 Oh, that's right. Thank you. 1240 01:38:10,900 --> 01:38:12,880 Yes, we have an idea. 1241 01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:14,240 How many machines there are? 1242 01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:19,000 Yes, we have two at City Hall. 1243 01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:20,720 There's a couple at Pelican. 1244 01:38:20,980 --> 01:38:22,200 Samson Ocean from Park. 1245 01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:23,180 Sounds on a park. 1246 01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:24,620 All right, so I did ask it. 1247 01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:25,060 Okay, good. 1248 01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:25,620 You did. 1249 01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:30,560 So, previous year, 10,256 dollars and 69 cents. 1250 01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:31,840 Current year. 1251 01:38:32,060 --> 01:38:32,300 Third. 1252 01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:33,080 That's something important. 1253 01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:34,540 That I don't know. 1254 01:38:35,180 --> 01:38:37,760 Current year is $13,980. 1255 01:38:38,340 --> 01:38:39,240 And 75 cents. 1256 01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:46,840 Okay. Thank you. Are there any questions or comments? No, well, I'll actually prove the 1257 01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:54,060 point of the benefits of having bidding process that we get better companies and better 1258 01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,940 terms. Any other comments? 1259 01:38:59,060 --> 01:39:02,720 I'll take a moment. Was this a bid or was it a piggyback? No? Was 1260 01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:09,520 not a bid? It was a piggyback from Pemberpines. Yeah. No, I'm sorry. Pemberpines did do a bit recently 1261 01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:18,080 and they only. We didn't pick it. No. So we did our own bid and we got a percentage rate of 21%. 1262 01:39:19,700 --> 01:39:29,540 Subsequently, I think was Parkland did a bid and they got 27%. We piggybacked that contract at 27%. 1263 01:39:29,540 --> 01:39:36,620 More recently, Hamburg Pines did go out to bid. They did go through the full process and they only got, 1264 01:39:36,620 --> 01:39:39,360 I think it's 20% or 21%. 1265 01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:39,640 Okay. 1266 01:39:40,020 --> 01:39:40,740 20%. 1267 01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:41,040 Pember. 1268 01:39:41,500 --> 01:39:45,360 Pines just went out to bid and they're only getting 20% from the same vendor. 1269 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:46,420 Okay. 1270 01:39:46,420 --> 01:39:46,540 Thank you. 1271 01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,120 It's agreed to hold our 27%. 1272 01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:49,540 Okay. 1273 01:39:49,740 --> 01:39:50,220 Thank you. 1274 01:39:51,020 --> 01:39:51,760 I'll take a motion. 1275 01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:53,080 I'll make a motion. 1276 01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:53,920 Need a second. 1277 01:39:54,140 --> 01:39:54,580 Second. 1278 01:39:55,020 --> 01:39:55,740 All in favor. 1279 01:39:56,220 --> 01:39:56,640 All right. 1280 01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:57,000 All right. 1281 01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:57,680 Next slide, please. 1282 01:39:58,940 --> 01:39:59,340 Nine F. 1283 01:40:00,500 --> 01:40:07,520 9F is a resolution of proving the expenditure of budget funds with caresoft for the licensing of open-gov, a budgeting software. 1284 01:40:09,860 --> 01:40:16,780 Mayor Vice Mayor, Members of the Commission, this is a budgeting software that was proved in November of 2023. 1285 01:40:16,780 --> 01:40:26,060 We're asking for a one year renewal for the continued licensing of this platform from October 1st, 1286 01:40:26,180 --> 01:40:29,260 2026 through September 30th, 2027. 1287 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:34,480 The renewal cost is 64009.06. 1288 01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:36,380 Thank you. 1289 01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:37,420 Do we have public speakers? 1290 01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:39,140 We do. 1291 01:40:39,580 --> 01:40:41,100 We have Stephen Hirsch. 1292 01:40:45,210 --> 01:40:46,530 Take your name please. 1293 01:40:49,110 --> 01:40:49,590 Stephen Hirsch. 1294 01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:59,530 Our budget director reported that staff is very satisfied with this software and wishes to continue using it. 1295 01:41:00,170 --> 01:41:03,330 The software is used by many government-related agencies. 1296 01:41:04,690 --> 01:41:20,130 A review of the OpenGov-Budgeoning Software by KaraSoft discloses that the software has a built-in module that allows for established metrics that the city would create to be created for every program area. 1297 01:41:20,130 --> 01:41:26,930 However, as best as I can determine a full performance-based budget abilities are not being used. 1298 01:41:28,190 --> 01:41:38,710 Senayals Beach already performs a substantial amount of performance measurement and presents it unusually well in the FY 2020-627 tentative budget. 1299 01:41:39,250 --> 01:41:46,650 There are actual results, target projections, and future targets throughout each department listed as performance measures. 1300 01:41:46,650 --> 01:41:53,390 This is a strong foundation to move to the next level of full performance-based budgeting. 1301 01:41:54,410 --> 01:41:59,390 I don't see evidence in the proposed budget that performance measures are presently integrated 1302 01:41:59,390 --> 01:42:10,110 into open-skogs performance measurement facility or symptom ability and is not integrated 1303 01:42:10,110 --> 01:42:12,470 at various levels. 1304 01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:21,430 mentioned is made in the budget draft or the tentative budget to expel Excel spreadsheets for performance measures. 1305 01:42:23,210 --> 01:42:34,190 Therefore, I would describe Sunale's speech as having a performance measurement budget that is well positioned to become a true performance-based budget. 1306 01:42:34,190 --> 01:43:03,810 The next practical step would be to take the entire 2026-27 budget, and identify which of the cities existing measures are genuine KPIs, key performance indicators, which are merely workloads statistics, and establish what additional efficiency outcome metrics should be added, then establish green, yellow, and red thresholds, and budget consequences. 1307 01:43:03,810 --> 01:43:11,130 is for each. This software allows that to occur. The software then creates a dashboard that 1308 01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:18,630 this commission and the city manager can review to see exactly what is working and what is not. 1309 01:43:19,330 --> 01:43:26,510 This would not delay the completion of the 202627 budget as the metrics may be added after 1310 01:43:26,510 --> 01:43:33,290 the budget is completed and then begin to be measured as of the October 1st implementation. 1311 01:43:34,210 --> 01:43:38,590 We are paying for this software, why not utilize it to its full potential? 1312 01:43:39,710 --> 01:43:46,150 Performance-based budgeting gives elected officials, managers and residents a clear answer 1313 01:43:46,150 --> 01:43:48,330 to three fundamental questions. 1314 01:43:48,670 --> 01:43:49,690 What are we spending? 1315 01:43:51,150 --> 01:43:52,050 I got one minute. 1316 01:43:52,690 --> 01:43:53,550 30 seconds. 1317 01:43:53,770 --> 01:43:54,570 What are we receiving? 1318 01:43:54,570 --> 01:43:59,090 And are there better ways to achieve the same improved results? 1319 01:43:59,730 --> 01:44:07,730 It gives decision makers the ability so that budget reductions, increases, and program changes 1320 01:44:07,730 --> 01:44:14,450 are based on evidence rather than habit, politics, or across the board cuts. 1321 01:44:14,730 --> 01:44:14,990 Thank you. 1322 01:44:15,330 --> 01:44:16,010 Any other speakers? 1323 01:44:16,710 --> 01:44:17,330 No, ma'am. 1324 01:44:17,610 --> 01:44:17,710 All right. 1325 01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:19,570 I'll take comments or questions from the commission. 1326 01:44:19,570 --> 01:44:24,950 I have a few quick commission students in the forest. 1327 01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:34,510 The highest quotation that we have is base on a budget between 200 and $300 million. 1328 01:44:35,390 --> 01:44:43,610 Today in our workshop we know that at ready 175 million were slag from our budget. 1329 01:44:45,370 --> 01:44:48,810 So, bringing us down to less than $200 million. 1330 01:44:48,810 --> 01:44:59,970 So I guess this quote needs to be re-evaluated or we had to ask for a new quote, considering that we are not going to be anymore. 1331 01:45:14,260 --> 01:45:21,700 We're paying for it, and I'm going to read a little bit about the vendors' own words. 1332 01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:29,500 Open GoF Market this platform on three things, budget, automation, reporting, and public transparency. 1333 01:45:29,500 --> 01:45:39,020 It includes the F, GFO, our winning online budget book that lets us stay hold and find 1334 01:45:39,020 --> 01:45:41,240 and drill into the numbers. 1335 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:48,100 Plus, this is very important, capital planning and performance tracking models that map 1336 01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:50,160 allocations to outcomes. 1337 01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:59,220 So many of the questions that I asked in the summary for answers, I could have got 1338 01:45:59,220 --> 01:46:08,400 those myself, if we had the tools to get into the software, which, by the way, is part of the 1339 01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:13,860 things that they say that they do best and is giving silly officials or officials, they 1340 01:46:13,860 --> 01:46:23,760 put like that, the tools for the decision makers to access to all the information without 1341 01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:27,400 request because they have their own logging tools. 1342 01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:34,940 Also, it says here in our own memo when we got into this, with this software back in 2023, 1343 01:46:36,100 --> 01:46:41,800 it was said that between other things, the Pomp and Abyss reported that they run with 1344 01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:48,820 Open Gofinancial Transparency module since 2014 and Pomp and Biscard is sitting easy 1345 01:46:48,820 --> 01:46:50,620 of use for residents. 1346 01:46:50,620 --> 01:46:59,480 So they do have the capability we are using it and that's not a decision that this commission has made. 1347 01:47:00,060 --> 01:47:07,480 This software has to be open to the public and it has to be accessible to the commission. 1348 01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:18,220 When it comes to capital DECIP, the platform link, planning, funding, budget, execution, 1349 01:47:18,220 --> 01:47:26,140 a schedule and close-out comparing actual spending against estimates in real-time, per project. 1350 01:47:27,260 --> 01:47:34,640 In that includes total approved project costs, original budget versus current amended budget, 1351 01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:42,220 spending today and unspend balance for the source for each dollar, annual appropriation across 1352 01:47:42,220 --> 01:47:45,940 fiscal years, contract a war and change orders, 1353 01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,700 start targeting, militant date in a schedule various, 1354 01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,040 status between proposed on hold of Cancels, 1355 01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:57,960 a scope changes with who approved and ongoing operating costs. 1356 01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:02,640 This is a great software that we are paying for, 1357 01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,220 and we are now using, and right now, 1358 01:48:05,620 --> 01:48:08,060 we should make sure that it's going to start being used. 1359 01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,600 Another thing is with a phone balance. 1360 01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:13,980 It gives all the details of the phone balance. 1361 01:48:15,380 --> 01:48:22,820 During the workshop today, I said that I am with information I had got in so far. 1362 01:48:23,620 --> 01:48:31,740 Budget building phone went from almost $9 million to less than 100,000. 1363 01:48:32,500 --> 01:48:35,340 The answers we could get it from there. 1364 01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,360 If we had the access, we don't. 1365 01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:40,100 And I'm still waiting for the reconciliation that I requested. 1366 01:48:40,500 --> 01:48:41,720 If the court can move the public. 1367 01:48:42,140 --> 01:48:42,440 Yes. 1368 01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:51,300 So I am OK, clearly, to continue with an opening to the public and to the commission. 1369 01:48:52,180 --> 01:48:57,920 And if possible, to request a demo or a training from the vendor. 1370 01:48:58,540 --> 01:48:59,560 Just a video is good. 1371 01:48:59,700 --> 01:49:03,400 I see them, but I think more of people in this commission should see them. 1372 01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:05,300 Of the capabilities of the software. 1373 01:49:06,140 --> 01:49:08,980 Thank you, Commissioner Joseph, do you have anything to add? 1374 01:49:09,860 --> 01:49:24,100 No, I would like to also have access to the software in order to verify the numbers and see where funds are being moved from column to column. 1375 01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:26,520 Anyone else have any comments? 1376 01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:38,780 No, okay, I don't think that it would be a bad idea to get the video presentation, something from the company, Mr. City Manager. 1377 01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,000 But then you allow access as well. 1378 01:49:41,060 --> 01:49:42,540 We have to have it. 1379 01:49:42,540 --> 01:49:43,180 We have to have it. 1380 01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:44,680 We're paying for it. 1381 01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:46,000 Can I get a motion? 1382 01:49:46,500 --> 01:49:46,840 Motion. 1383 01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:48,000 Second. 1384 01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:48,980 On favor. 1385 01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:50,180 All right. 1386 01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:51,220 Next item, please. 1387 01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:53,240 Ninjee. 1388 01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:55,760 Ninjee is a resolution. 1389 01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,940 and improving your first amendment with all seasons and ports doing business as DICC. 1390 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:05,720 This was Palace to saw holiday lights and decorations at various locations throughout the city. 1391 01:50:05,820 --> 01:50:12,430 We're going to put them up. 1392 01:50:13,010 --> 01:50:13,450 The picture. 1393 01:50:14,350 --> 01:50:16,590 We did not plan to do that. 1394 01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:17,770 It's in your agenda packet. 1395 01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:18,450 Okay. 1396 01:50:18,490 --> 01:50:21,470 All right, so please go ahead and we are. 1397 01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:31,990 Okay, so at the budget workshop, the first item was to discuss the new lighting plan based on the comments from the previous meeting. 1398 01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:46,990 only first to prove this item, and the conversation said consensus was to add red to the white lights on the trees, and so this new present end to 1399 01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:58,990 So this new packet that you have has the red lights on the trees and it has an 1400 01:50:59,570 --> 01:51:06,300 activity scene at Samson Ocean from Park and at Gateway Center on the stage or next 1401 01:51:06,300 --> 01:51:06,880 to the stage. 1402 01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:08,400 Do we have any public speakers? 1403 01:51:09,340 --> 01:51:10,020 David Virgil. 1404 01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:10,980 Okay. 1405 01:51:12,340 --> 01:51:14,020 Don't need to say your name David. 1406 01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:15,240 Hi. 1407 01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:15,560 Good evening. 1408 01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:20,140 name is David Virgil. I think the renderings of the holiday lights look great. 1409 01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:23,840 Um, my only thing, I really don't like is that they're right on top of the palm trees. 1410 01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:29,360 If you like it looks a little weird, but it looks okay. Um, but the coverage this year 1411 01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:35,140 looks much greater than previous year. So that's a plus. Also, the, um, snowflake 1412 01:51:35,140 --> 01:51:39,440 decorations, the light poles are made neutral and it gives this city like a win through 1413 01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:45,120 fuel so that way no one gets offended. So I think that's the great addition to city. Thank you. 1414 01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:46,860 any other public seeers? 1415 01:51:46,860 --> 01:51:47,620 No, man. 1416 01:51:47,860 --> 01:51:47,940 All right. 1417 01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:49,860 I'll take comments or questions from the commission. 1418 01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:52,040 Anyone? 1419 01:51:52,940 --> 01:51:55,960 And I will give the side of chance to speak. 1420 01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:57,320 Commissioner Lama. 1421 01:51:58,180 --> 01:51:59,240 No, I think it looks great. 1422 01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:05,240 We did receive a couple of emails stating that they see something 1423 01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:08,120 that I honestly don't see and they don't have symbols. 1424 01:52:08,140 --> 01:52:08,500 All right. 1425 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,340 Let's just now, please, that's it. 1426 01:52:10,340 --> 01:52:25,400 So I just wanted to say that I did see it again and I don't see it. I think it looks great and, you know, I think the staff for 1427 01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:27,180 Who was interested in you? 1428 01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:31,380 Well, exactly. So anyhow. 1429 01:52:31,980 --> 01:52:33,980 So yeah, good job. Thank you. 1430 01:52:34,140 --> 01:52:34,540 Vice mayor. 1431 01:52:34,540 --> 01:52:39,520 I think it would look better with the green, but it's okay. 1432 01:52:39,980 --> 01:52:43,460 I know you guys, we took this word already and we went with the red. 1433 01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,840 Hey, this is just a rendering. We haven't done that. 1434 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,580 I think it would look better with the palm trees with the green, 1435 01:52:49,500 --> 01:52:50,540 but at the end of the point. 1436 01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,540 And the labyrinths, I think, is pretty cool. 1437 01:52:54,940 --> 01:52:55,940 Hey, Mayor Joseph. 1438 01:52:56,580 --> 01:52:57,660 Yes, go ahead. 1439 01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:02,820 Just so you know, we are behind schedule technically with this. 1440 01:53:02,820 --> 01:53:11,420 We have to take it no changes. You have two choices today. You either approve this with the red and white or you go back to all white, which is what was originally presented. 1441 01:53:11,700 --> 01:53:12,920 We didn't want the all right. 1442 01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:14,140 Okay. Commissioner Joseph. 1443 01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:26,440 Yeah, I'm fine with it. I would have liked to see a little green in there, but I'm fine with it and everyone's entitled to their opinion as to what it looks like to them, you know. 1444 01:53:26,440 --> 01:53:26,700 Okay. 1445 01:53:27,700 --> 01:53:30,820 Can't get away from people having their own opinion? 1446 01:53:31,340 --> 01:53:32,640 Mr. Stoessent, any comments? 1447 01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:33,540 Okay. 1448 01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:36,060 I agree with David. 1449 01:53:36,260 --> 01:53:37,860 I don't like the red at all. 1450 01:53:38,020 --> 01:53:42,360 I love that the blue and white that we had before, because it was consistent with what the 1451 01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:45,360 buildings around us were doing, so it made it more holistic. 1452 01:53:45,980 --> 01:53:47,760 But I was outboded. 1453 01:53:48,980 --> 01:53:50,860 So we will go with the red and white. 1454 01:53:51,220 --> 01:53:52,660 I love the labyrinths. 1455 01:53:52,980 --> 01:53:54,320 It's going to be very, very cool. 1456 01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:59,220 So hopefully we can make sure that we get this despite us being behind schedule. 1457 01:54:00,440 --> 01:54:01,370 Can I get a motion please? 1458 01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:03,040 I'll make a motion. 1459 01:54:04,020 --> 01:54:04,480 Second. 1460 01:54:05,180 --> 01:54:05,660 All in favour? 1461 01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:06,960 All right. 1462 01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:08,280 Next item please? 1463 01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:16,480 9H is resolution approving a second amendment to the project agreement with Keith and Associates 1464 01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:20,220 for Civil Engineering and Landscape Architectural Services for Bill of the Support. 1465 01:54:20,980 --> 01:54:21,420 Okay. 1466 01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:22,300 Mr. City Manager. 1467 01:54:23,220 --> 01:54:24,860 Mayor Vice Mayor, members of the Commission. 1468 01:54:24,860 --> 01:54:30,520 the surprises, the second amendment for the project for engineering and landscape architect 1469 01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:35,760 services at Bellavis to Park in an amount not to exceed 18,000, 900. 1470 01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:36,980 All right. 1471 01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:38,280 Do we have any public speakers? 1472 01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:40,100 No, ma'am. 1473 01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:40,520 Okay. 1474 01:54:40,540 --> 01:54:42,300 I'll take comments or questions from the commission. 1475 01:54:42,580 --> 01:54:44,320 I have on go ahead. 1476 01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:45,760 I'm a Jason question. 1477 01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:51,220 Not really about this, but I got an email about the bio walls. 1478 01:54:51,220 --> 01:54:59,240 And I know I asked you Susan a while back, but I haven't followed up, so you happen to. 1479 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,460 All right, we're going to be able to do 1480 01:55:07,570 --> 01:55:11,570 the by-a-walls. We cannot do the by-a-walls with this project. 1481 01:55:12,150 --> 01:55:19,090 Okay, so that answers my question because that's what I thought. We have talked about, but I got an email and I figured I would just ask. 1482 01:55:19,490 --> 01:55:21,490 No, I was contact at all. Thank you. 1483 01:55:21,570 --> 01:55:22,230 Recording that. 1484 01:55:24,130 --> 01:55:29,250 Yes, I got the email as well. I actually thank you for reminding me about that. 1485 01:55:29,250 --> 01:55:32,530 That could be something interesting for us to do. 1486 01:55:35,420 --> 01:55:36,240 Any other questions? 1487 01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:38,240 I'll take a motion. 1488 01:55:39,300 --> 01:55:39,900 Any other seconds? 1489 01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:41,260 On favor. 1490 01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:42,160 Hi. 1491 01:55:42,540 --> 01:55:42,720 Okay. 1492 01:55:42,820 --> 01:55:47,220 Next item is nine. 1493 01:55:48,180 --> 01:55:50,800 Resolution of proving a third amendment to the agreement with the 1494 01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:54,800 Non-US construction for the installation of an emergency generator and building 1495 01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,500 Restoration at Gateway Community Center. 1496 01:55:58,060 --> 01:55:58,240 Okay. 1497 01:55:58,460 --> 01:55:59,100 Mr. City Manager. 1498 01:55:59,740 --> 01:56:14,460 Mayor Vice Mayor, Members of the Commission, this is a third amendment with Nunez for the installation of the emergency generator, and this is a time extension, not money, just time because the equipment was delayed and getting here. 1499 01:56:14,700 --> 01:56:17,200 Okay, so there's no financial implication here. 1500 01:56:17,940 --> 01:56:18,020 No. 1501 01:56:18,020 --> 01:56:19,240 All right, do we have public speakers? 1502 01:56:19,540 --> 01:56:20,300 No, ma'am. 1503 01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:21,560 Any comments for the Commission? 1504 01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:25,160 I just I had spoken with Susan earlier. 1505 01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:32,480 It said that this was already installed and I'm not for putting any additional money into 1506 01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:32,940 gateway. 1507 01:56:33,500 --> 01:56:40,180 I would like to see eventually gateway rebuilt, but um, okay. 1508 01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:43,260 Thank you, Commissioner Joseph, there's no money here. 1509 01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:44,640 I'll take a motion. 1510 01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:46,560 I need a second. 1511 01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:48,180 All in favor? 1512 01:56:48,260 --> 01:56:48,760 Hi. 1513 01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:48,920 Hi. 1514 01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:49,540 Okay. 1515 01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:50,560 Next item, please. 1516 01:56:51,880 --> 01:57:01,000 9J is a resolution of proving a first amendment to the agreement with the virus services group for storm water management prevent of maintenance services. 1517 01:57:01,860 --> 01:57:09,200 Mayer by smear members of the commission. This is the company that we use to keep our storm water drains cleared. 1518 01:57:10,060 --> 01:57:15,560 And the original contract that we had the company went out of business. This is a secondary contract. 1519 01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:21,900 contract. Okay. Do we have public speakers? No, ma'am. Questions from the commission? No. No. 1520 01:57:22,820 --> 01:57:27,780 During the agenda review, I had asked some questions and I'm bringing them up now since we have people in the audience. 1521 01:57:28,940 --> 01:57:36,420 What sort of things that we can do to mitigate some of this so that we're not cleaning it as often and namely it's the leaf 1522 01:57:36,420 --> 01:57:44,000 floors that people use that then clog up the drains and it's it's new since it's a 1523 01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:48,420 big nuisance especially in I think golden shores and probably Atlantic Island where 1524 01:57:48,420 --> 01:57:52,960 there's a single family home certainly all over the city the city attorney went to the 1525 01:57:52,960 --> 01:58:01,440 restroom so I was advised that we cannot regulate the floors there's really nothing 1526 01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:06,400 we can do but we are going to look into potentially what we do have on the books to 1527 01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:12,640 enforce for greater enforcement because ultimately they'd cost us more money and we 1528 01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:14,020 have to clean it up more often. 1529 01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:19,960 The runny type of screens though we can install this over the grades. 1530 01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:25,660 We are not allowed to install the screens that we had discussed but I guess we can wait 1531 01:58:25,660 --> 01:58:29,840 for Alan to come back but that's really the issue. 1532 01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:37,400 So I had asked, is there a possibility to enforce it with a littering law, because technically 1533 01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:41,680 if you're moving the dead leaves to your neighbor's yard or your kind of throwing garbage 1534 01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:45,560 on their yard, but I don't know how realistic that is. 1535 01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,960 You have to catch someone actually doing it. 1536 01:58:49,220 --> 01:58:55,320 In any case, this is something that I'd like to look at further, because it's a expensive, 1537 01:58:56,580 --> 01:58:57,140 inexpensive. 1538 01:58:57,140 --> 01:58:59,940 The lowers that are actually vacuums, I have. 1539 01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:08,180 I apparently may feel very fast about what nobody uses them, but thank you for being the one person that uses it. 1540 01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:09,800 All right, I'll take a motion. 1541 01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:11,300 Motion moved. 1542 01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:12,980 All right, all right. 1543 01:59:13,180 --> 01:59:13,340 All right. 1544 01:59:13,340 --> 01:59:13,420 All right. 1545 01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:15,480 Next item. 1546 01:59:18,020 --> 01:59:28,740 9K is a resolution of moving with amendment to the agreement with empty causally LCs who provide non-exclusive structural inspection and plans review services on an as needed basis. 1547 01:59:29,340 --> 01:59:30,640 Mr. City Manager? 1548 01:59:31,540 --> 01:59:35,740 Mayor Vice-Fair Member is a commission that's approved a fourth amendment with the empty 1549 01:59:35,740 --> 01:59:42,960 costly for the company that we're using for structural inspections and plan review on 1550 01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:44,400 as needed basis. 1551 01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:45,880 Do we have public speakers? 1552 01:59:46,220 --> 01:59:46,960 No, ma'am. 1553 01:59:47,140 --> 01:59:47,280 Okay. 1554 01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:48,900 Comments or questions, Mr. Commission? 1555 01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:50,620 Yes, I do have. 1556 01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:51,120 Go ahead. 1557 01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:54,860 So we start this contract in 2023. 1558 01:59:54,860 --> 01:59:59,960 for an initial net-to-exit-a-mown of 5th. 1559 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:19,140 $30,000. This is bringing us to a net to exit amount of $810,000. A jump from $50 to $800,000. Once again, then I don't 1560 02:00:19,140 --> 02:00:27,220 know how anyone with any common sense can justify this. During the budget, only one workshop that we 1561 02:00:28,820 --> 02:00:35,520 They decided the staff to cut the four positions that also could help with this, the four inspection positions. 1562 02:00:38,300 --> 02:00:41,100 So we need to consider what is it that we are doing here. 1563 02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:45,620 If our sourcing is the answer, which will have those numbers in front of us. 1564 02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:47,760 Oh, probably which will be hiring. 1565 02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:56,320 Right now we are spending $6 million to build a state of the art building department in front of us. 1566 02:00:56,320 --> 02:01:00,720 And we are of sourcing almost a million dollars of inspections. 1567 02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:03,020 This doesn't add up. 1568 02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:11,500 So this makes no sense how we go from 50,000 to 810,000 from 2023 to now. 1569 02:01:12,460 --> 02:01:14,020 So I'm completely against this. 1570 02:01:14,020 --> 02:01:20,140 And this was to my point of how we are using our building restrictive fund. 1571 02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:22,420 Okay. Any other questions? 1572 02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:31,580 Mr. City Manager, could you clarify how these costs are covered and whether permit fees 1573 02:01:31,580 --> 02:01:36,360 cover this and answer the question of how do we get to that number from 2023? 1574 02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:42,420 This has been one of the most difficult positions to fill in the building department structural 1575 02:01:42,420 --> 02:01:44,360 inspector and structural plan review. 1576 02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:51,560 So we've tried various, well, we've hired different people and then they're here for 1577 02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:55,240 not very long time before they were recruited by other agencies. 1578 02:01:55,480 --> 02:01:58,440 So it's very difficult for us to retain and fill this position. 1579 02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:02,960 So the cost for the services are covered by the permit fees. 1580 02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:04,940 What percentage is covered by the permit fees? 1581 02:02:05,260 --> 02:02:06,280 All of it. 1582 02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:07,080 Bye, low. 1583 02:02:07,780 --> 02:02:08,320 All right. 1584 02:02:08,900 --> 02:02:09,460 Any questions? 1585 02:02:10,580 --> 02:02:11,120 I'll take a motion. 1586 02:02:12,020 --> 02:02:12,420 So move. 1587 02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:13,080 Second. 1588 02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:13,960 Second. 1589 02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:14,740 On favor. 1590 02:02:15,420 --> 02:02:15,920 And you post? 1591 02:02:16,220 --> 02:02:16,240 No. 1592 02:02:16,740 --> 02:02:16,940 Okay. 1593 02:02:17,100 --> 02:02:17,640 Next item. 1594 02:02:20,150 --> 02:02:20,670 9L. 1595 02:02:21,950 --> 02:02:24,270 9L is a resolution of proving an agreement. 1596 02:02:25,430 --> 02:02:28,870 Excuse me, approving a parking license agreement between the City of Sanialis Beach. 1597 02:02:29,170 --> 02:02:34,490 L apply a beta associates for the use of a portion of the parking lot under the Lehman Cosway. 1598 02:02:36,250 --> 02:02:38,190 May or vice mayor members the commission. 1599 02:02:38,190 --> 02:02:43,930 We were approached by the L apply a beach associates requesting parking under the Lehman. 1600 02:02:43,930 --> 02:02:56,330 So they can accommodate overflow parking for their projects and the rate that they would be paying is 11,200 per month for 28 spaces. 1601 02:02:57,720 --> 02:02:59,200 Okay, do we have any public speakers? 1602 02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:00,680 No, ma'am. 1603 02:03:00,780 --> 02:03:03,080 I will take questions or comments from commission. 1604 02:03:04,020 --> 02:03:05,180 Take a motion then. 1605 02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:09,500 Mayors, there's just one of them. There's like a scripteners errors in the license fee. 1606 02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:14,080 The numbers right, but the letters are wrong, so we'll fix that, but it's just a scripteners error. 1607 02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:15,020 Okay, thank you for that. 1608 02:03:15,020 --> 02:03:15,240 Thank you for that. 1609 02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:15,880 Thank you for that. 1610 02:03:16,440 --> 02:03:16,920 All right. 1611 02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:18,120 Motion. 1612 02:03:18,380 --> 02:03:18,800 I need a motion. 1613 02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:19,660 I'll make a motion. 1614 02:03:20,220 --> 02:03:20,420 Second. 1615 02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:21,300 Second. 1616 02:03:21,700 --> 02:03:22,200 On favor. 1617 02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:23,720 Okay. 1618 02:03:23,740 --> 02:03:24,360 Next item. 1619 02:03:26,830 --> 02:03:27,050 9. 1620 02:03:27,450 --> 02:03:30,030 And as a resolution approving. 1621 02:03:30,170 --> 02:03:30,550 Excuse me. 1622 02:03:31,150 --> 02:03:32,130 As in Mary. 1623 02:03:32,730 --> 02:03:33,770 As a resolution approving. 1624 02:03:33,970 --> 02:03:35,770 The first amendment to the urban qualification. 1625 02:03:36,050 --> 02:03:37,030 Cooperation agreement. 1626 02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:38,710 Between the city of sunny out speech. 1627 02:03:39,210 --> 02:03:43,750 And my immediate county for participation in the community development block grant. 1628 02:03:43,750 --> 02:03:47,730 the Government Investment Partnerships and Emergency Solutions grant programs for 1629 02:03:47,730 --> 02:03:50,730 officially years, 2027 through 2029. 1630 02:03:52,870 --> 02:03:54,410 May our Vice Mayor members the commission. 1631 02:03:54,670 --> 02:03:59,890 This is necessary for us to have an agreement with Miami-Dade County. 1632 02:04:00,450 --> 02:04:04,390 If they get money, then we could get a portion of it. 1633 02:04:04,410 --> 02:04:10,010 If then scenario would be a pass through from the county to us if we qualify. 1634 02:04:10,010 --> 02:04:16,530 If we don't have the agreement in place, then we cannot, we will not be able to receive 1635 02:04:16,530 --> 02:04:17,970 any money from them. 1636 02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:20,070 Do we have public speakers? 1637 02:04:20,410 --> 02:04:21,290 No, ma'am. 1638 02:04:21,770 --> 02:04:22,690 Questions from the Commission? 1639 02:04:23,430 --> 02:04:29,930 And what is this agreement involving that we might have a grant? 1640 02:04:33,390 --> 02:04:39,910 The grant that we could possibly, well, it's community development block grants. 1641 02:04:41,050 --> 02:04:45,450 We're not sure if we would be able to access any of this, 1642 02:04:46,730 --> 02:04:49,950 but just in case we want to have the agreement in place. 1643 02:04:50,450 --> 02:04:53,110 So we don't have to do an order to qualify. 1644 02:04:54,570 --> 02:04:55,770 It's a contract. 1645 02:04:56,230 --> 02:04:59,950 It's based on your annual... 1646 02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:15,240 So your income. We probably do not, nobody in our city probably qualifies for this. However, as things change, we may potentially have people in the city that would qualify for the HUD grants. It's HUD. 1647 02:05:15,340 --> 02:05:15,880 Oh, HUD. 1648 02:05:16,860 --> 02:05:18,960 Yeah, I don't think we have too many. 1649 02:05:19,420 --> 02:05:23,000 Well, sadly, maybe growing, but Commissioner Lamon, did you want to add something? 1650 02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:29,120 No, no, I just wanted to say that. I think there's this percentage here within the city that may. 1651 02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:35,880 Yeah. Okay. So we just need to obviously consider that. Yeah, just have to be a part of in order to potentially benefit. 1652 02:05:36,500 --> 02:05:38,820 I'll take a motion. So I'll make a motion. 1653 02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:44,640 Take them. All right. All right. All right. All right. We're down to nine and nine. 1654 02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:51,440 Nine and as a resolution presents a section of 5.1 of the municipal charter calling for a general election to be held on Tuesday. 1655 02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:56,060 November 3rd, 2026 for the purpose of submitting to the electorate of the city of Sunni out speech. 1656 02:05:56,060 --> 02:06:02,400 The names of all qualified candidates for elections and positions of mayor, city commission too, and city commission 1657 02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:08,800 seat four, and providing for a run-off election if necessary, on December 1, 2026. 1658 02:06:09,660 --> 02:06:16,780 In commissioners, this is the annual, excuse me, the resolution that we propose every two years to call for a general election. 1659 02:06:17,500 --> 02:06:19,940 This is four November 3rd. 1660 02:06:19,940 --> 02:06:26,720 The list of duly qualified candidates, which was held between August 3rd and August 7th, 1661 02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:28,180 is listed in the memo. 1662 02:06:30,460 --> 02:06:37,520 If you're like I can read them very quickly, or position of mayor, we have Lerous Asfetion, 1663 02:06:37,780 --> 02:06:40,300 Dana Coleman and Robert Spence, Jr. 1664 02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:48,740 The 3rd for C2, we have Stephen Hirsch, David Virgil, Robert Valchunas, and Alexander 1665 02:06:48,740 --> 02:06:55,980 and for seat four, we have Kelly McCruz Gonzalez and Maggie Gordo. 1666 02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:02,200 So this calls for that election, and also in the event of Iran off, it will be held 1667 02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:03,760 on December 1st, 2026. 1668 02:07:04,740 --> 02:07:05,700 Do you have any public speakers? 1669 02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:06,420 No. 1670 02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:12,080 Mauricio, if you can, please, because there have been times in the past where there has been 1671 02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:17,340 confusion as to what portion of this city actually controls and us having a resolution implies 1672 02:07:17,340 --> 02:07:24,940 that we have a lot of control over this specifically, if you can mention, losing the church location as a polling place. 1673 02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:33,080 Yes, so we have very little control, especially me and my position as supervisor of election for the city 1674 02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:41,060 is limited to ministerial functions in terms of the selection of sites to serve as polling locations. 1675 02:07:41,780 --> 02:07:45,220 only the events of their being 1676 02:07:45,220 --> 02:07:49,880 a location that's unavailable if we're notified by the election's apartment. 1677 02:07:50,260 --> 02:07:53,180 We may be able to assist in finding an alternate site. 1678 02:07:53,540 --> 02:07:55,980 However, that is purely up to the election's apartment. 1679 02:07:56,560 --> 02:08:00,060 There are the ones that select the sites based on 1680 02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:02,860 population and location. 1681 02:08:04,280 --> 02:08:05,980 And the site agreeing to, 1682 02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:09,680 and the site, of course, agreeing to hold it as a polling location. 1683 02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:19,720 So, in this case, I'm excuse me, yeah, go ahead for these elections, the precinct at St. 1684 02:08:19,740 --> 02:08:25,800 St. Bygelin is moved to Gateway Center. It's temporary from what I'm told by the 1685 02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:32,200 elections department, but it will affect the general elections on November 3rd, as well as the possible 1686 02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:39,220 runoff elections on December 1st. We don't know yet. We don't know how long this will be at the very 1687 02:08:39,220 --> 02:08:45,400 will be for this election cycle. And to mitigate that inconvenience, I've spoken with this 1688 02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:50,500 city manager and we will be offering a shuttle service for all those that are affected 1689 02:08:50,500 --> 02:08:54,440 in that area to be able to be transported over to the KW Center. 1690 02:08:55,020 --> 02:08:59,960 Okay, and during this primary, I got some calls from residents that believe that they can 1691 02:08:59,960 --> 02:09:05,080 change their location based on how close it is to them. So again, since you have the opportunity 1692 02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:10,860 do you now and people are watching, can you clarify how control, which we don't have, what 1693 02:09:10,860 --> 02:09:17,520 decides where they vote. So, for instance, someone that lives in Central Pay wants to 1694 02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:20,180 vote a gateway, but that's the cut-off district. 1695 02:09:20,660 --> 02:09:25,460 Yes, so we've received several complaints and I would say almost every year we have at 1696 02:09:25,460 --> 02:09:31,080 least one or two complaints from residents of Central Pay where they complain and understand 1697 02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:36,460 reasonably slow of why they have to go to Arlin House to vote when they have a 1698 02:09:36,460 --> 02:09:40,040 person right across the street from them. Again, that's one of the things that we 1699 02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:44,720 don't have any control over. That's all determined by the elections 1700 02:09:44,720 --> 02:09:47,920 apartment. They're the ones that draw the boundaries. Again, based on population. 1701 02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:52,320 Okay. Thank you. All right. Any other questions or comments in the commission? 1702 02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:59,740 And adding to the confusion is that what we use as our boundaries for establishing 1703 02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:06,220 Our districts, it's slightly different from what the county does for where you vote. 1704 02:10:07,160 --> 02:10:13,100 And right, just like Sandra Pay also, we have the unnamed building that we couldn't think of earlier meeting. 1705 02:10:14,180 --> 02:10:16,000 It would make sense that they vote here. 1706 02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:17,960 Right, but they, they would have to church. 1707 02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:20,520 And now these people here are going to have to go to gateway. 1708 02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:26,380 Right, so even though it makes sense that they would come here, you know, but that's the county determinants. 1709 02:10:26,380 --> 02:10:30,520 So, when we have the buses, Mauricio, they're going to be on-site at the church. 1710 02:10:30,620 --> 02:10:33,940 I want to just make sure it's clear that we're not going to be driving around picking up people. 1711 02:10:34,040 --> 02:10:40,540 They're just going to be at the old piece station at the church and it'll be around trip, 1712 02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:42,920 but yeah, it's not on demand. 1713 02:10:43,780 --> 02:10:48,180 Okay, so we'll do our best to let people know, but I know that the supervisor of elections 1714 02:10:48,180 --> 02:10:49,500 already sent out many notices. 1715 02:10:50,200 --> 02:10:56,140 Yes, each person that's affected in that precinct or in that precinct, has received the temporary 1716 02:10:56,140 --> 02:10:59,760 appointing location change card that they can take to the 1717 02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:03,300 present to make sure that they are able to vote at that location. 1718 02:11:03,700 --> 02:11:12,380 In addition to that, we also sent out our own notices to let everyone know 1719 02:11:12,380 --> 02:11:15,600 all the residents of the city to know that that change has been made. 1720 02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:18,600 Okay, I'll take a motion then. Motion. 1721 02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:26,120 Need a second? Second. On favor. All right. All right. 1722 02:11:26,120 --> 02:11:33,480 speakers? We do have speakers as well. So the first person is Stephen Hirsch. 1723 02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:37,790 We've got three minutes. 1724 02:11:38,930 --> 02:11:43,270 Just a few comments from the workshop today. 1725 02:11:47,730 --> 02:11:53,030 The regarding the issue of parties and permits and our beach. 1726 02:11:53,030 --> 02:12:02,070 I would just hope, having listened to the entire conversation, that the commission would seek 1727 02:12:02,070 --> 02:12:08,990 input from residents on the west side of Collins, as well, as beachfront properties 1728 02:12:08,990 --> 02:12:18,270 to try to ascertain what if any is the real problem before we automatically say that there 1729 02:12:18,270 --> 02:12:23,810 a problem. It's clear that our ordinances do need some work, 1730 02:12:23,810 --> 02:12:33,890 irrespective of what that survey may find. And I would hope that the commission would be able to 1731 02:12:34,810 --> 02:12:41,630 get rid of the ambiguity and wording and the definitions that were described during the workshop today. 1732 02:12:43,470 --> 02:13:03,510 The Commission goal should be, I would hope, to balance the rights of all the stakeholders of every resident of this city and attempt to allow beach activities into a win-win situation for all residents, whether to the west side of Collins or whether they're on the ocean. 1733 02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:12,430 The last thing we need is animosity between geographic areas of our city. 1734 02:13:13,330 --> 02:13:17,990 There's plenty of beach to go around for everyone in our city. 1735 02:13:18,630 --> 02:13:27,270 One important comment that I would hope is that there is absolutely no commercial activity on the beach 1736 02:13:27,270 --> 02:13:34,810 as this commission discussed that would create a bad precedent. 1737 02:13:36,390 --> 02:13:37,610 I got to go fast. 1738 02:13:38,170 --> 02:13:41,150 So, as far as the inspector general comments, 1739 02:13:42,110 --> 02:13:46,790 I think it's important that if this is, 1740 02:13:46,790 --> 02:13:49,410 and I have no position on this other than to say, 1741 02:13:49,850 --> 02:13:54,490 the important thing is defining what if any rights or responsibility 1742 02:13:54,490 --> 02:14:02,550 this inspector general was going to have or her have. The one comment though I did 1743 02:14:02,550 --> 02:14:08,750 here mentioned about the police department that I think may present a problem 1744 02:14:08,750 --> 02:14:14,210 of course to further out the city attorney but I believe that civilian oversight 1745 02:14:14,210 --> 02:14:25,850 of law enforcement in the state of Florida is precluded and finally I would support 1746 02:14:25,850 --> 02:14:34,490 the exploration of the community center for our city. I think that would be if it's 1747 02:14:34,490 --> 02:14:42,130 thought out and found well that would be a good idea. Thank you for this evening and thank you 1748 02:14:42,130 --> 02:14:45,290 Good night. Thank you. Okay, any other speakers? 1749 02:14:46,370 --> 02:14:46,830 More in chat. 1750 02:14:51,480 --> 02:14:54,400 Good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the commission. 1751 02:14:55,160 --> 02:14:58,060 My name is Martin Shaddick. I live at 100 Kings Point Drive. 1752 02:14:58,860 --> 02:14:59,940 And the city has built a... 1753 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,180 This is a beautiful park called Inner Coastal Sports Park, and I have a view from it from my patio. But I have an issue. They have a light that says in your coastal sports park that illuminates 24 hours pretty much throughout the night. And it's, it's an isor. And in addition to that, it also reflects on the water that the park sits on. And it's even more of an eyesight. So I just wanted to just bring that to your attention. Thank you very much. 1754 02:15:29,180 --> 02:15:29,560 Thank you. 1755 02:15:29,640 --> 02:15:30,100 That's appreciated. 1756 02:15:31,020 --> 02:15:31,620 Any other speakers? 1757 02:15:32,400 --> 02:15:32,580 Great. 1758 02:15:37,200 --> 02:15:38,140 Maybe May of Commission. 1759 02:15:38,420 --> 02:15:38,800 Great. 1760 02:15:39,020 --> 02:15:39,100 Capital. 1761 02:15:39,160 --> 02:15:40,860 Two five seven points in Island Drive. 1762 02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:45,820 Observing the workshop this afternoon was more like a commission meeting. 1763 02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:48,440 It was a lot of information that went on there. 1764 02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:49,620 Some of it was disturbing. 1765 02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:54,300 One part that was disturbing was sound like an allegation of missing money. 1766 02:15:54,820 --> 02:15:57,180 And within the budget related to the building department. 1767 02:15:57,780 --> 02:15:59,280 I hope that becomes transparent. 1768 02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:05,740 may be discussed in an open commission meeting that could be addressed openly because it 1769 02:16:05,740 --> 02:16:12,380 sounded disturbing to say the least. The other part that was somewhat disturbing was about 1770 02:16:12,380 --> 02:16:26,220 the city manager, a vote of no confidence. I found this manager which came through in a very 1771 02:16:26,220 --> 02:16:33,760 supportive, responsive, and I hope it doesn't go that way again. With that kind of 1772 02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:39,020 toxic transition that was alluded to in the next commission meeting as new 1773 02:16:39,020 --> 02:16:42,640 commissioners come on board. Thank you. Thank you. Any other speakers? 1774 02:16:43,300 --> 02:16:44,500 Your meds. 1775 02:16:51,560 --> 02:16:55,780 I agree. Thank you for waiting. I know you've been patient, so I'll give you a 1776 02:16:55,780 --> 02:17:01,660 little extra time. My name is Igor Meetz. My address is about seven, five, five, 1777 02:17:01,660 --> 02:17:09,780 in Zalinyu, a partner with 507. I have a small issue. We have a group of residents of Sanyals 1778 02:17:09,780 --> 02:17:18,380 who play in Sagar on the Pilekan Park field for about 15 years. We play in twice a week 1779 02:17:18,380 --> 02:17:27,600 Friday night and Sunday night from 7-9. We always applied for the permit and we don't have 1780 02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:33,480 any problem to get this permit from the American Park Management. 1781 02:17:34,140 --> 02:17:44,920 But starting September 2005, there is no reason to give us permit for playing Sunday night. 1782 02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:54,300 And without permit, they don't give us the goal, so we have to come and bring our small 1783 02:17:54,300 --> 02:17:58,120 goal is, which is designed basically for Kindergarten. 1784 02:18:00,380 --> 02:18:05,660 So, my question, if you help us somehow 1785 02:18:06,540 --> 02:18:13,740 to get Sunday to turn it back, we will really appreciate it. If any issues need to discuss, 1786 02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:18,580 we will open this, but we don't know the reason why that can't so much. Thank you so much. 1787 02:18:18,580 --> 02:18:19,020 Yes. 1788 02:18:19,480 --> 02:18:20,320 Do we have an answer? 1789 02:18:20,560 --> 02:18:21,240 No, we're not an answer. 1790 02:18:22,440 --> 02:18:23,440 Do we have any other speakers? 1791 02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:24,700 No other speakers. 1792 02:18:25,100 --> 02:18:25,320 Okay. 1793 02:18:25,820 --> 02:18:28,760 Sir, you're welcome to talk to Commissioner Joseph after the meeting adjourn. 1794 02:18:28,900 --> 02:18:34,060 Thank you, everyone, for for attending and your patients and your input meeting adjourn.