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Patricia Friebus, mayor.

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>> Ryan Fernandez, alderman Ward One,

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>> present.

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>> Natalie Akens, alderman, Ward One,

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>> here.

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>> Marie Davis, alderman Ward Two.

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>> Remember to speak into your mic.

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Present.

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>> Mark Schwarz, alderman Ward two,

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>> here.

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>> Greg Columbo, alderman Ward three,

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>> present.

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>> Angie Wel, alderman Ward three,

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>> here.

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>> Kathy Freriedman, alderman Ward four,

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>> here. Alderman Ward four here. Britney

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Gillette, city administrator,

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>> here.

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>> Jeff Tman, director of finance,

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>> here.

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>> Mike Knight, director of planning and

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public works,

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>> here.

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>> Gerald Brown, director of parks and

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recreation,

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>> here.

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>> Steven Dodge, chief of police,

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>> here.

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>> Aaron Cely, city attorney,

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>> here.

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>> Thank you.

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Mrs. uh Stone. Next item is

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approval of the agenda. Um, we need to

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amend it for the motion to add prestige

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pools, but Mrs. Celely would like to

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make a comment.

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>> Yes. I just wanted to say for the record

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that this did come in late. It is an

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event that we have numerous years. So it

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is nothing new. Um however the event

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does occur before the next meeting and

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therefore as long as you are comfortable

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we would find good cause to amend the

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agenda because of the fact that it did

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come in late. We are not able to provide

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the 24 hours notice yet the event will

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occur before you're able to have a

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meeting. Um, so a motion to amend the

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agenda would include that good cause

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finding for less than 24 hours notice.

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>> I do have a motion to amend the agenda.

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Alderman Davis,

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>> I'll move since she's in my ward. You're

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in my ward.

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>> You have a second.

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>> I'll second then.

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>> Uh, Alderman Davis made a motion was

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seconded by Alderman Schwarz. All in

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favor of approval of the agenda with the

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amendment.

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Motion passed as amended.

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Next item is a consent agenda. Bills to

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be approved. Do I have a motion, please?

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>> I'll make a motion.

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>> Second.

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>> Motion was made by Alderman Atkins,

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seconded by Alderman Davis. All in

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favor?

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>> Madame Mayor, did we miss the minutes or

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did I skip?

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>> I think I crossed them off before we

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Thank you for bringing that to my

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» Uh, do I have a motion for the approval

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of the minutes of the July 14th, 2026

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regular meeting and the July 29th, 2026

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special session meeting?

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>> I'll make a motion.

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>> Second.

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>> Motion was made to approve the minutes

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from Alderman Wiggle and seconded by

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Alderman Akens. All in favor?

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Thank you for bringing that to my

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attention. The consent agenda also

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passed. Next,

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public hearings. The board will consider

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and discuss a request to amend the text

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of several sections of the city of

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Sunset Hills unified development

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ordinance relating to recreational uses.

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Anyone from the audience that would like

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to come forward?

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Mike. Yes.

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Sorry, I was just getting the clicker

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ready here.

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>> Thought you were hiding under there. No.

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[laughter]

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>> So, we have uh two public hearings

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tonight. The first one is a text

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amendment for the city and it's

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regarding recreational uses.

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So, a little background, there was the

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discussion uh at the board um regarding

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recreational uses in industrial areas

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and we were specifically talking about

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at that time indoor athletic training

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facilities. We were talking about how

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these recreational facilities were

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grouped together and maybe there's a

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potential text amendment to better

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understand these and how they relate

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into our code. Um the issue that was in

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front of us is we had a use that was

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permitted in our code that said health,

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athletic, recreation, amusement

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facilities, and indoor. And although it

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was a use, it wasn't defined. So when we

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regulate zoning, when we have permitted

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uses, we want a definition. So when

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these nuance different community members

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come in, we know exactly, you know, what

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that use is or how we define it. We also

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had something called recreation uses

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that was permitted, but it was only

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permitted in parks and conditional and

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residential areas. It wasn't defined. It

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almost sound like it was a community

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pool or tennis court or something like

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that. It didn't really seem applicable

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here. Didn't make much sense. Actually,

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we also had some definitions in our code

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that didn't have uses. And a lot of

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these were kind of built part of that

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other use. said talked about recreation

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facilities indoor. Um where the the

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trampolines and the indoor driving

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ranges, um amusement center indoors

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where they were talking about coin

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operated game video game machines, more

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of a classic arcade and then a health

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facility indoor and that was called kind

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of a health club and at minimum these

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definitions need to be revamped with

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current language uh today and um looked

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into.

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So staff looked at uh what we have

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today, looked at the different uses and

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say how are they most appropriate in

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today and what we see out in these

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different areas, where do they match

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zoning wise? Um the first conversation

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we had was the athletic training

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facility indoor, the one we talked about

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in depth where these youth sports often

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have these training specific areas. Um

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sometimes they're in industrial areas.

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We talked at the board level. Um, so we

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defined it as athletic training indoor,

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made it permitted in both the commercial

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and industrial

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zoning districts. Um, also put a parking

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uh, minimum standard in there that we

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have with all of our uses. Did the five

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per thousand, I think it says one per

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200 gross floor area. I say five per

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thousand. It's a pretty standard

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commercial industrial minimum parking

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standard that you'll see. We also even

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talked about at the board level and and

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internally that athletic training indoor

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is not one of these larger sports

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complexes. It's not Scott Gallagher.

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It's not. So we purposfully define these

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larger more competition

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um where everybody comes and watches

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spectator uh use and said specifically

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the athletic training facility indoor in

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that definition is not a sports complex

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indoor and outdoor. and then define the

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sports complex and did not make it

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permitted in any of our zoning

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districts.

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about. So we have one called fitness

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center and health club. It's a permitted

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use in commercial. Think your gyms, your

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Planet Fitnesses that you see in these

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commercial areas with the five uh per

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uh parking. And then we had the

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recreational facilities indoor and

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talked about um you know this is your

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indoor arcade bowling whether you're

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urban air or your main event or your

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bowling mostly always in commercial

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permitted in commercial districts. Um

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and then we [clears throat] also defined

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movement center outdoor. Now these

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aren't necessarily always on large

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tracks of land but they are outdoor. Um

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think of your mini golf or your batting

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cage maybe we'll call it swing around

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funtown something like that that you

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see. Um, so we didn't make it permitted

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by right, but since it's outdoor, made

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it conditional in the commercial

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districts. Um, and then I used one space

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per 500. That's just a little research

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when I looked at there's not a lot of

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these. Look out there. That seemed to be

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a common metric for our parking knowing

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that if anybody did come in, they would

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have that plan development p permit

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process that we have.

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recreational use classification that was

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combined. It didn't define the athletic

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portion of it for sure and it was only

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permitted in the commercial districts.

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facilities that was only conditional in

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single family residential areas and it

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just didn't make much sense. Um, so we

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created the five distinct recreational

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facility uses that we mentioned, applied

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the applicable zoning districts that we

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felt were most appropriate, provided a

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parking standard to them, um, removed

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that recreation use that didn't seem to

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make sense or that we use applicably in

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amendment, so it went to the planning

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and zoning commission. They are your

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recommending body for all land use and

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zoning decisions. Um they recommended

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approval unanimously as it was

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submitted. Importantly, tonight the

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distinguished night is a public hearing.

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So this is an opportunity for staff to

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describe the ordinance amendment and

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really receive feedback. Receive

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feedback from the board, receive

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feedback from the members of community,

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whether they're, you know, here tonight

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or in the future. Um and and no action

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is scheduled for tonight. This is

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strictly on for a public hearing. Closes

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my presentation and of course I can

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answer any questions. I said I was going

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to receive feedback, but I left my

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notepad. So, I'm going to grab that.

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>> Any questions?

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>> Alderman Columbo,

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>> how would you define the VETA bubble?

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>> Alderman Columbo,

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>> how would you define the the VETA bubble

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under which category? I'm just curious.

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>> Right.

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>> It's not a sports complex because it has

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multiple tennis courts.

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>> Yeah. So, I would say no. Good. I never

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looked specifically into their

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operation. And I know we've talked about

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it from my understanding of their

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operation or being there. This is one

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and more of those indoor training

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facilities and not use events. Now I

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could have new information and find out

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that they have massive tournaments or

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something like that. Again, they're

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existing condition as they are right

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now. Um, so no change, but the best of

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my knowledge, it's an indoor training

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facility, but without reaching out or

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understanding really their operation, I

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have to put that caveat in there.

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>> Secondly, the the parking.

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>> Mhm. It seems overly restrictive at one

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per 200. And and I'll give some examples

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because I believe Veta currently is

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45,000 to 50,000 square feet total

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between the two bubbles in the building.

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They have 60 spots on hand.

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>> So that's like a one per 700ish average.

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Spirit Gymnastics, Crossgra Boy, they

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lease 14,000 square feet of that 34,000

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foot building. He has 27 spots for them

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on one side of the building and then the

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remainder of that building has 15 on the

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other side for his industrial uses and

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there's 15 spots around back.

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>> So again, you're into like a one per 450

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area. Um,

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and I could go on. I the very other

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examples here of all American Big Bendon

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44. That's another

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>> Yeah. 40 something 50,000 square foot

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facility. They're about one per 400

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under parking. Bud Dome I was just

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talking to somebody about is an 80,000

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square foot place, one per 4 to 500. Um,

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uh, Powerhouse is another one where you

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know all of these places and these are

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mostly places that are holding events

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too, not just training facilities. So,

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they're way advanced. And I guess my

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point is in Sunset Hills, we're not

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getting complaints about parking at

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Spirit Gymnastics. We're not getting

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complaints about parking at Veta yet.

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We're coming at one per 200, which

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great. Now, we've authorized a use, but

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it's so overly restrictive that we may

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never be able to utilize that use

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because the parking is too restrictive.

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So,

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>> sure.

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>> Just thoughts.

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>> Five per thousand is typically like kind

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of a lower parking minimum. I'm not a

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firm believer that, you know,

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I I you you clearly looked at all these

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places and all these things, you know

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what I mean? So, I'm not like debating.

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I would just say from a overall

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perspective, five per thousand isn't a

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high from what I've known, but

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>> correct. It's that and that's my point.

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Powerhouse 45,000 ft, 113 spots, one

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>> and a lot of these I just think uh

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important comment is it's the mixture of

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uses within these buildings, right? So,

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you you look at the other uses. So they

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may designate X amount of spaces for

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these uses, but if they're mixed, maybe

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they're lower in other ones. You you

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look at the building as a whole, right?

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You take each use, you say what the

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requirements are, you see what the

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>> parking but I guess my point is most of

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these places get more use than an

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athletic training facility will ever

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get, right? Because they're hosting

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competitions. They're hosting multiple

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practices and a competition. So, I I if

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when it comes to time for this ordinance

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to come up, I I think I'm going to make

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a motion to amend to be a little less

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restrictive so that we can actually

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utilize some of those places versus

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having something that's allowed but will

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no longer be practical to use. And I

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would say part of the public hearing

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process is to gather feedback and

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understand. So, I think, you know, I'll

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do the same. I'll look into it, see what

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I can find on these nuanced areas and

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come with that information.

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>> Yeah. Any other questions from the

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board?

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>> Yes,

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>> Alderman Schwarz. Um,

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>> yes. I'm not quite as good as Alderman

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Columbo is with Google Earth, but uh so

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I'm just going to go back and I'm going

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to I'm going to echo his his sentiment

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and I think that

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one to 200 puts them on par with

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municipal buildings, trade schools,

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vocational schools, college and

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universities.

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And I don't think that the property that

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we're talking about is consistent with

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those three that I just cited.

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>> Sure.

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>> Alderman Doss.

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>> Um I heard a lot of wisdom from the

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other side of the table. So my question

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to you, Michael, is PNZ passed this

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unanimously. Was this parking issue

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discussed in PNZ at all to your

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recollection?

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>> No.

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Not much conversation, just a lot of

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nodding of heads of the split of uses,

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not not a lot of dialogue overall.

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» Thank you,

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>> Alderman Freriedman.

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>> Um,

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I'm just wondering why athletic

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>> microphone microphone.

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>> Yes, I'm sorry.

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>> My apologies. Um, athletic training

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facilities indoor is permitted in

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LCGCLI,

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which which I think is fine. Um, fitness

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center health and amusement center

401
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outdoor

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are only in commercial but not LI. Is

403
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there a reason for that?

404
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>> They just seem much more like commercial

405
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operations where much more people go in

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and out. That seemed more commercial

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than industrial despite this use.

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Usually work for a day. You don't see

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that in and out like you see in these

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commercial areas

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>> and

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sports complex indoor or outdoor is not

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permitted in any is that so

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» we we say that we don't think that's

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appropriate anywhere in the city

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>> exactly and I think it's a perfect

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format for this discussion right now

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unless you see that different it was

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more defining the two and saying that

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the athletic indoor is not a sports

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facility indoor. I'm not aware of like

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our comprehensive plan or or some sort

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of guiding document that said these

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large facilities would be in these

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certain areas. We're largely a built

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environment. These typically are larger,

427
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but that's a perfect opportunity right

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now unless we, you know, we see this as

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being appropriate somewhere.

430
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>> Yeah. So, I mean, I look at our driving

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range and I think we've got some

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instructional

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there

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and that I mean, so doesn't that make it

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a sports complex,

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indoor, outdoor with training areas?

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>> I would say with all our parks, we

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consider them our parks. We usually

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don't zone them into like commercial

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designations.

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>> Is there a reason why that isn't why we

442
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it's not permitted in parks and open

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spaces? And

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>> yeah, looking at this and Mike and I

445
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talked about this a lot. The I think the

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crux of these um sports complexes is

447
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that they are there to generate

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spectators and that's listed in the

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definition where these are you're trying

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to get a lot of people there. So you see

451
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these giant volleyball uh you know

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complexes where there's 30, 40, 50

453
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courts and they're all operating on one

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day at the same time and it's the intent

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is to draw people in there. In looking

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at the city of Sunset Hills, I'm not

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sure where we would fit something of

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that size. When you look at the actual

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complex and then the parking that is

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required and is never enough at those

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types of facilities. Um, and to Mike's

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point, we can continue to talk about

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this. If if the board disagrees, we're

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certainly open to that conversation, but

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just looking at the city of Sunset

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Hills, where we're located, our current

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open space for development, I'm not sure

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where that would ever fit. And we

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certainly wanted to pull out these

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recreational or athletic training

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facilities from that because they are

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truthfully operating under two different

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very modes.

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>> Okay. And there's no problem with our

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parks department doing that, but we tell

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other people they can't.

477
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>> There's not a legal problem. They are

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they're designated as parks and open

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space and they operate under the

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municipal park operations.

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>> Okay. Well, I just I I mean when we've

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so

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I don't know how closely the other

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aldermen have looked at this, but when

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you've got sports complex indoor or

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outdoor as a use and there's no little

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P's or C's across the little grid, that

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means uh-uh. So,

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>> correct.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And and that was certainly the

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intention. Again, we're we're open to

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conversation. Um, but that was the

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intention was to leave those defined and

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then not allow them or not permit them.

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>> And may I just ask when when this comes

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up, can we put the the use chart? I had

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to write my own little notes about what

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>> district it was in. The use chart

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doesn't show it in the ordinance.

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>> So that would just be helpful

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>> in the draft ordinance. Yeah. Like a

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supplementary exhibit

504
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>> out a little. It's because we just

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pulled that and it's but it would still

506
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be

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>> I we understand And I can even make it a

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supplementary chart exhibit. Yeah.

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>> Thank you,

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>> Alderman Columbbo.

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>> Alderman Freeman, I you know, since I

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kind of brought this to the

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>> microphone,

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>> I just want to say I was purposeful and

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not trying to lump sports complexes in

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because I'm a user of those and I

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realize how much traffic they generate

518
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and I just thought, hey, let's just keep

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it simple for now, you know, and and

520
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address what

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>> Yeah. the existing non-conforming uses

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were rather than bring in new uses. So,

523
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>> and I tend to favor that approach. I

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just wanted go through the exercise.

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Thank you,

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>> Alderman Fernandez.

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>> Thanks, Madam Mayor. Um, Mr. N. I just

528
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want to confirm um I have two separate

529
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questions. One is any of this how it

530
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relates to we do have an approval

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obviously for the bombers activity down

532
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at Bander Park and a park. So, is that

533
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the pure distinction there on why that

534
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is different? It's operating through our

535
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lease, right?

536
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>> It is operating through a lease. Um the

537
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use obviously just like any other change

538
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to our UDO, the the existing items are

539
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grandfathered in. So any any change to

540
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this won't impact existing facilities or

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um sports complex operations.

542
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>> Great. Thank you. And then second one

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very different. Um the thing about the

544
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residential areas, obviously since the

545
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UDO went in, pickle ball became a rage.

546
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How would that apply if a subdivision

547
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wouldn't put in a pickle ball court or

548
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anything else like that this time?

549
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>> Those are typical and I say most cities

550
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just passive amenities.

551
00:20:01,679 --> 00:20:03,840
>> Alderman Fernandez, I didn't hear the

552
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,320
question. So, do you mind repeating?

553
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,440
>> Absolutely. I'm sorry.

554
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,200
>> I'm I'm going talk right into this

555
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,520
thing. [laughter]

556
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,320
>> Uh since the UDO went in as pickle balls

557
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,919
obviously skyrocketed other paddle

558
00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:17,120
sports, I was just curious how that

559
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:18,720
would apply that one provision around

560
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,840
residential areas. So, I'd say like um

561
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,679
most cities, if you have amenities that

562
00:20:23,679 --> 00:20:26,320
are in common ground that are used for

563
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,159
your subdivision, they're just common

564
00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:29,840
ground. You get a building permit for

565
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:30,960
something like that. They don't have a

566
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,640
separate use designation because they're

567
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,559
not really a commercial enterprise in

568
00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:35,600
those subdivisions.

569
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,320
>> Okay. Not advocating for more of those,

570
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,039
but yeah. Thank you.

571
00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:44,799
>> Any other questions from the board?

572
00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:46,320
All right. Would anyone from the

573
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,320
audience uh have any comments? Mr.

574
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,240
better. Do you want to add anything?

575
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,000
No. Okay. Anyone else in the audience

576
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,600
that would like to comment in the public

577
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,520
hearing?

578
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,200
All right.

579
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,039
>> Thank you very much. Now, close this

580
00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:04,320
public hearing [clears throat]

581
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,559
>> and we're going to open the next one.

582
00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,640
The board will consider and discuss a

583
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,559
request to amend the text of several

584
00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:12,480
sections of the city of Sunset Hills

585
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,039
unified development ordinance relating

586
00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:19,039
to senior living uses. Mr. Knight.

587
00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:23,600
>> Yep. This one is known as PO7 2026

588
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,559
um regarding the senior living uses. Uh

589
00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,480
so just take a step back like we did

590
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,559
with the last one, you know, why make

591
00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,360
the amendments. So, uh, we talked about

592
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,120
at the board before Friendship Village

593
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:37,360
acquired some property next to their

594
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:39,200
existing site directly to the east

595
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,200
called the Delta Dental Building. Um,

596
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,360
and they were also acquiring the

597
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,120
commuter lot right next to that Delta

598
00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:49,520
Dental Building. Um, and what we found

599
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,000
is that there's no clear path for

600
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,360
expansion as the senior living uses, the

601
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:56,640
plan retirement care, they're not

602
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,480
permitted in our current UDO. Um, I'm

603
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,320
not aware of that intentionally being

604
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,080
removed from the UDO, meaning I haven't

605
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,600
heard conversations of saying let's keep

606
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,159
it out, but that's it's omitted. It's just like Alderman Freeman said,

607
00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:13,120
there's no P on those uses um existing

608
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,760
in our code. Um, and we do know we do

609
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,760
have existing senior living facilities.

610
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,200
So, that could happen not just there.

611
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,960
Again, I brought kind of how we got

612
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,559
here, but this is other senior living

613
00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,360
facilities too. Use not user.

614
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,120
So, I was going to give you one slide to

615
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,600
describe this. I would say that what

616
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,000
this text amendment does is it creates

617
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,760
an SL senior living district um broadly

618
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,960
permitting the senior living uses um

619
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,280
verse making them permitted in existing

620
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,799
districts. At first when I was looking

621
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:43,840
that I was think well maybe these would

622
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,120
be most appropriate in commercial

623
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,280
districts being permitted but went with

624
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,000
creating a new district specifically for

625
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,960
senior living. Um it requires senior

626
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,080
living to go through the plan

627
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,240
development permit process. So as we

628
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,600
know all of the developments that come

629
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,480
through the UDO outline that process for

630
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,640
commercial office industrial and this

631
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,960
would follow that same anything but

632
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,159
single family development process. Um it

633
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:10,480
permits plan retirement care centers

634
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,840
that is how friendship village was

635
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,200
defined in the old uh zoning code. Um

636
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,200
also assisted living facilities and

637
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,440
nursing homes. Those are the uses that

638
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,200
are in our current code just not

639
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,320
permitted. It establishes a 5A per

640
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,960
minimum. So a minimum lot size uh for

641
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,600
the senior living facilities. Um it

642
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,000
limits density to 11 residential

643
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,520
accommodations or units per acre. Um it

644
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,679
adds an open space requirement and a

645
00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:40,080
residential uh parking setback

646
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,600
requirement. So not just building but

647
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,400
the parking setbacks would apply too. Um

648
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,440
and establishes a parking formula uh for

649
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,200
the planned retirement care centers

650
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,720
because those other two uses that were

651
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,840
permitted had a parking formula. So just

652
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,039
to walk through briefly again a new use

653
00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:58,799
is added. So we have our 12 existing

654
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:02,159
districts. This would add senior living.

655
00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:04,480
Um we have the district regulations. So

656
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,880
this is where we state the 5 acre lot

657
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,400
minimum um lot width and setbacks versus

658
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,000
maybe the commercial that has the 10

659
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,840
20,000 foot lot minimums. [snorts]

660
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,919
Um it adds the plan planned retirement

661
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:19,840
care center back into our code. Again,

662
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,520
that's one was defined in our old code

663
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,600
that Friendship Village was under. Put

664
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,679
it back in under permitted only in those

665
00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:29,360
senior living district. Um, put the

666
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:32,159
parking in uh the existing parking one

667
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:33,760
per three beds. I'll say that is pretty

668
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,640
common among facilities. Um, but the

669
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,320
plan retirement care that's more we'll

670
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,480
get to the definition a mixture of

671
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,039
retirement from independent to senior to

672
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:46,400
assisted. Um and you'll see and so it

673
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,880
said one space per dwelling unit and one

674
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,960
space per three beds knowing that these

675
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,240
developments would go through that plan

676
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,320
development process right and outline

677
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,120
their parking. [snorts] It also has a

678
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,279
use provision and the use provision

679
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,600
talks about these kind of those

680
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,360
additional standards that we put on some

681
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,279
uses like a car wash something specific

682
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,840
and it says all the uses would have the

683
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,600
density would also have an open space

684
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,960
requirement of 50% and it would have uh

685
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,760
parking setbacks uh no closer than any

686
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,950
30 ft.

687
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,400
This is where we put it in the plan

688
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,000
development process. We would add senior

689
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,240
living. These are the definitions. there

690
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,400
in your packet. But again, it defines

691
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,000
assisted living and nursing home the

692
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,840
same, but brings that planned retirement

693
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,039
care center uh definition that was in

694
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:34,799
our previous zoning code back into this

695
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:38,470
code.

696
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,000
So,

697
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,080
um currently senior living the

698
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,760
regulations, they're not permitted in

699
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,440
any of our current districts. We know

700
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,559
that. Um regardless, all of these senior

701
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:49,919
living facilities may continue to

702
00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:51,360
operate today under their current

703
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,880
entitlements. it's only when they look

704
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,360
to expand significant change when they

705
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,200
would need a site development allowance

706
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,400
something like that they'd be required

707
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,960
to go into a new district um this

708
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,400
creates a separate zoning district

709
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,679
remember at first I was thinking is it

710
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:04,960
permitted in another one this creates

711
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,919
its own district um plan development

712
00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:10,400
process will remain this adds density

713
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,559
open space and those are largely based

714
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,159
off friendship village I didn't do a lot

715
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:15,679
of research on new but really the

716
00:26:15,679 --> 00:26:17,360
accommodations of the existing facility

717
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,440
when I was looking at density and open

718
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,159
space that's where I got those numbers

719
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:24,559
Um at PNZ there was a robust discussion

720
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:28,720
about this just from lot sizes to um

721
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,640
where they would be how it would work.

722
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,080
We had a pretty healthy um discussion.

723
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Uh they did recommend to approve

724
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,240
unanimously there. They did have a

725
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,520
couple recommendations that are in your

726
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,240
packet right there that you see again

727
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,440
the public hearing. This is why we're

728
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,200
here today especially for the public.

729
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,799
It's for me to receive feedback from

730
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,480
you. Understand the ordinance amendment

731
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,799
that I put in front. receive feedback

732
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:52,880
from of course the board, the general

733
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,039
public. No actions scheduled tonight,

734
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:56,720
but what are your thoughts and concerns?

735
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,080
This one? Yeah, that concludes my

736
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,600
presentation and I can answer any

737
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,559
questions.

738
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:04,240
>> Any questions from the board? Alderman

739
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,320
Freriedman?

740
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,440
>> I think it's interesting.

741
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,080
>> I'm sorry,

742
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,039
>> Mr. Harding. I think it's interesting

743
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:17,120
that we are looking at this approach

744
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,360
after we just went through a very

745
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,120
abbreviated and I think proper way to

746
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,159
handle you know we we've got an issue

747
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:29,279
with training indoor training centers

748
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,039
>> and we're not setting up an athletic

749
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:36,400
zone because we don't have a

750
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,134
comprehensive athletic zone. Mhm.

751
00:27:39,134 --> 00:27:39,840
[clears throat]

752
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,960
>> We could just as easily and I think more

753
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,919
conservatively and more properly

754
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:50,480
address the the friendship village issue

755
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,310
and any other

756
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,960
homes um rehab centers,

757
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,480
assisted living facilities by putting

758
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,200
little P's and C's in our use chart. Um,

759
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,480
you know, I've I've spoken to um Mr.

760
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,039
Knight about this and he said his

761
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,720
initial concern was that,

762
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:22,559
you know, if you made it available in uh

763
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,600
commercial districts

764
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,600
that any commercial district could have

765
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,799
a senior living um you know the this is

766
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,520
our map, our zoning map. I don't think

767
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,840
we ever even look at it. The thing that

768
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,320
I think jumps out at you is yellow.

769
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,880
There's a bunch of yellow, light yellow

770
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,559
and dark yellow. That's res. That's R1

771
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:51,440
and R2. That's the bulk of our our city.

772
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,430
And when you look at

773
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,120
commercial and

774
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520
commercial, it's the red and the pink

775
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,960
kind of in high

776
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,880
traffic areas, I guess, you know, not in

777
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,120
the middle of residential.

778
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,159
And I I think, you know, planned

779
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:13,919
retirement center, nursing home,

780
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:15,760
assisted living, those are all

781
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,480
commercial enterprises, and I think they

782
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,399
properly belong in commercial

783
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:22,960
enterprises. I agree that, you know, we

784
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,080
should probably tighten up the um the

785
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,600
definitions. Um but I think that is a

786
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,840
more conservative and a better approach.

787
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,520
And Mr. night has told me that that was

788
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,320
his initial thoughts about this and um I

789
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,120
think his um initial instincts were the

790
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,430
right ones. So,

791
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,559
you know, I'm happy to to hear others

792
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,480
thoughts, but

793
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,600
>> can I

794
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600
>> Alderman Davis?

795
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,320
>> Um, isn't French village a religiously

796
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,640
based um run company nonprofit

797
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,440
>> and the same thing with the one that is

798
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,320
next to Lommire uh the Christian I don't

799
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:08,799
know what

800
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:09,919
>> Peace Haven.

801
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,320
>> Okay, so those are both religiously run.

802
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,480
How does that affect all of this?

803
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,240
>> From a use perspective, it wouldn't. You

804
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,240
know, they could sell today to something

805
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,440
different. I'm sure there's other

806
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,760
implications for these, but from the use

807
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,480
operating of an assisted living nursing

808
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,440
home

809
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,279
>> despite ownership. Yeah. Again, there

810
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:28,799
might be other ramifications of having

811
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,120
that, but not from a zoning regulation.

812
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,960
>> Okay.

813
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,399
>> Alderman Columbo.

814
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:36,159
>> Yeah. I [clears throat] think about it

815
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:37,520
kind of like that because if you look at

816
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,520
like a peace haven, it's scattered out

817
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,000
amongst the residential district.

818
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,320
condos at Lomire Place or in a

819
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,520
residential district. The is it Kindred

820
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,480
Senior Center next to that in a

821
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,159
residential area.

822
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:54,159
>> I mean, these all seem to fit very well

823
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:57,039
throughout our community. I don't I I I

824
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,039
personally like the senior living zoning

825
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:01,600
designation because these things are a

826
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,039
benefit for to our community. It's nice

827
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,279
to have them spread out around versus

828
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,320
just all stuck in one particular area.

829
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,240
And I I mean I think Friendship Village

830
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,279
is just a perfect example of a well-run

831
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:15,279
facility that that really blends into

832
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,200
our, you know, our our city. So

833
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,039
>> I think we're very blessed to have a lot

834
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,880
of choices in our community to stay in

835
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,440
Sunset Hills as we age.

836
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,200
Well, and I would add to that the

837
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,399
courtyards and Sunset Grove being two

838
00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:32,000
places that are in such high demand to

839
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,039
get into that unless you're willing to

840
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,279
really pay over ask, you're you can't

841
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:39,679
touch those. So, all of those places I

842
00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:41,440
think have benefited Sunset Hills and

843
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,679
brought some diversity amongst the the

844
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:47,279
senior crowd. And so, yeah, I'm really

845
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,399
in favor of this.

846
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,080
>> Mr. Knight, I say I can expand a little

847
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,120
bit because I think Alderman Freeman

848
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,880
said it well, but just again

849
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,080
I think they absolutely can be in

850
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,279
commercial districts. I think you can

851
00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,120
put permitted and and I think a lot of

852
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,480
cities do operate that way, especially

853
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,159
if you have a downtown area and you have

854
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:04,799
all these different things. My thought

855
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,200
process was just like we we talked

856
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,679
about, you know, the seventh amended

857
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:12,399
plan reusing these areas and if we're

858
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:14,559
saying you are now a commercial zoning

859
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,880
district which has all these P's and

860
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,360
things as re reuse, are we looking at

861
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,399
these areas as commercial areas or we

862
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:24,000
envisioning them? Are we really just

863
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,039
talking about senior living? And that's

864
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,760
how I went. I think it could operate in

865
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,559
both, but let's say we'll just not use

866
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,399
French village the across the street

867
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:36,720
chest rehab. You know, let's say they

868
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,080
take down the house that requires

869
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,480
reszoning. They're commercial now. They

870
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,760
have all these different permits. Yes,

871
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,279
they still need a plan. Yes, they still

872
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,120
need further approvals, but you are

873
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,960
saying as a city, this is a commercial

874
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,159
area. Now, yes, we have to meet your

875
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,640
requirements, but all of the other

876
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,799
permitted uses you're telling me that

877
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,799
are permitted here as long as you have

878
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,519
meet the code and those plans. That's

879
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,919
how my thought process were 100% right.

880
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:03,760
I did start with permitted. I think it

881
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,200
works either way, but that's where my

882
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,039
thought process went is as you start

883
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:10,559
calling these local commercial or

884
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:13,519
general commercial and they change reuse

885
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,600
over time, are we considering these

886
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,200
commercial now? on what would that do?

887
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,039
>> Any other questions or comments from the

888
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,760
board? Alderman Akens.

889
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,080
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um I think I

890
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,919
heard you say that you use Friendship

891
00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:29,919
Village to build the specifications here

892
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:32,000
on like five plus acres and such, but do

893
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,159
the other um facilities, senior living

894
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,000
facilities in Sunset Hills meet those

895
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,679
specifications? And are these pretty

896
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:40,720
standard? Cuz

897
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,640
>> yeah, these can go across the board

898
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,080
depending on your community in terms of

899
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,039
standardization. Originally I add three

900
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,559
because I want to say there's one that's

901
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,720
four, five, eight and 50, right? So we

902
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,720
just see the gamut of of how these

903
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,480
operate.

904
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720
Um

905
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,799
I I think any of them work I think when

906
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:02,559
we talk about our existing facilities

907
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,480
too when they go through the they can

908
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,399
request a site development allowance

909
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:08,320
when they come in. So if you do have a 3

910
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,440
acre spot and you are requesting some a

911
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,760
modest change,

912
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,760
it's up to the board obviously, but it's

913
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,200
an existing condition that we've dealt

914
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,359
with before as codes change and adapt

915
00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:21,119
where when you look at new facilities,

916
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:22,560
you're saying, "Hey, this is our set

917
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,079
standard." So I think I think it can

918
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,720
operate in any direction. I think five

919
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:32,639
accommodates three of them right now and

920
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,919
that one if there was a change that

921
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:38,159
needed to be made they could request to

922
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,480
say this is the reason why four makes

923
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,240
sense for me because I'm in an existing

924
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,320
condition again just if that kind of

925
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,760
helps that discussion

926
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,919
>> thank you and then one other thing and I

927
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,359
didn't notice it when you went through

928
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:52,480
this presentation so you might have already updated it but in the

929
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,480
materials that were sent out to us we

930
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,560
had removed senior housing as a

931
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,760
permitted use,

932
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,400
>> but on section six in the parking table,

933
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,480
it was still listed as a standalone row.

934
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,760
So, just wanted to make you aware.

935
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:10,870
>> Yeah. Was it taken out of the parking?

936
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,960
» So, sorry, I just thought about that.

937
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,640
So, senior housing I don't think was

938
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,079
removed from our code. We just didn't

939
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,079
make it permitted and that's why it

940
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,079
would stay in the parking because if it

941
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:21,520
was ever activated, not that we

942
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,520
couldn't, but I think that's why that

943
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,000
happened.

944
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,680
>> That makes sense. Thank you. Mhm.

945
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,440
>> Any other questions from the board?

946
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,800
>> Freriedman.

947
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,640
>> So,

948
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,880
Mr. Knight mentioned that you know if

949
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,119
you've got a commercial district that

950
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,240
it's open to anything

951
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,800
friendship village or anybody would come

952
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,640
and say I want to operate this business

953
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,920
un and they'd go under section 7 of the

954
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,480
UDO to develop a plan development

955
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,880
and part of that plan development is you

956
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,119
know we've dealt with them we're going

957
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,280
to do all of these things and there's

958
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,480
going to be this much open space and you

959
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,680
know we'll have this much parking and we

960
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,720
can't maintain this buffer because it's

961
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,560
just too much and it would be better if

962
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,560
it was were smaller. We can make

963
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,240
accommodations

964
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,640
and when we issue the the planned

965
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,910
development

966
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,920
that does not allow just any old

967
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,839
commercial use in the planned

968
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:33,280
development. the what governs that

969
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,320
planned development is the ordinance.

970
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,119
So, it's not like

971
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:42,720
Friendship Village could put a car wash

972
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,520
on the property. And I think Friendship

973
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,000
Village is a wonderful

974
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,520
um campus, a wonderful business, um uh a

975
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,599
wonderful place to live. The residents

976
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,680
there are, you know,

977
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,240
>> are very happy there. I think it's a

978
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:07,280
model, but it is, you know, 50 acres.

979
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,200
This would be 5 acres. And the reason

980
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,160
why we've got Peace Haven at 5 acres is

981
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,200
because Peace Haven was there before the

982
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,040
city incorporated.

983
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,119
So, they were grandfathered in. And I

984
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,160
think it behooved the city for them to

985
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,440
do the great up upkeep up updating that

986
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,520
they did

987
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,400
uh um

988
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,200
six years ago, eight years ago. Mhm.

989
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,880
>> And the lawnmire is a matter of, you

990
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,440
know, just trying to fix a problem that

991
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,040
went bad that, you know, that was

992
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,599
supposed to be condos and the

993
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,440
development

994
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,480
was underwater and that got put in. you

995
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,480
know, if we go with senior living, I

996
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,440
think to have these, you know, little

997
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,599
pockets of areas that you can string

998
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,240
together two or three lots or, you know,

999
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,440
five lots, it

1000
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,440
I think we all think of Friendship

1001
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,280
Village and it's great and it is and we

1002
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,079
want to help them

1003
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,520
expand. I don't think having a senior

1004
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,400
living district is going to do that. And

1005
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,839
you know the section 7 says that

1006
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:28,800
once a um

1007
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,040
once a plan district is approved or

1008
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,440
disappro if once a plan district is

1009
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,560
approved that the zoning map shall shall

1010
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,400
be amended to include the district. So

1011
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,400
on this zoning map you can see little

1012
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,880
hash marks. Those hash marks are planned

1013
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,040
dis or planned developments. So, it's it

1014
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,560
I don't see that the city would be

1015
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,160
opening itself to any problems if

1016
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,880
Friendship Village came to the city and

1017
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,200
said, "Okay, we've got this Delta Dental

1018
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,520
building and we want to add it on and

1019
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,960
that entails a reasonzoning and then we

1020
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,800
will go forward with this plan

1021
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,320
development." Those things all happen

1022
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,599
at one time. you know, we'll have

1023
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,359
four ordinances on the docket or the

1024
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:25,119
agenda

1025
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,720
>> that would handle all of them. So, I I

1026
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,960
just don't see

1027
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,560
the need to put, you know, another

1028
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,000
district on the map. Um

1029
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,680
because we because at this point there's

1030
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,280
a very good

1031
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,640
um corporate

1032
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,240
citizen of Sunset Hills that houses, you

1033
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:56,320
know, a lot of Sunset Hills residences

1034
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,079
residents very happily. Um, I don't see

1035
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,400
that's the reason that's a reason for

1036
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,240
just expanding another expanding our

1037
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,200
code to include another district. Thank

1038
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,079
you.

1039
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,720
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. So, listening

1040
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,977
to you, Michael, and to Alderman

1041
00:40:16,977 --> 00:40:18,160
[clears throat] Freriedman, here is my

1042
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,720
question I would go ask one of you to

1043
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,160
answer.

1044
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,839
So,

1045
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:25,920
someone buys

1046
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,829
5 acres in an R1 or R2 district.

1047
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:34,560
They've combined the property.

1048
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,880
Can they under some of these rules that

1049
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,280
you're showing us tonight

1050
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,119
in a residential district that

1051
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,320
encompasses five acres put this kind of

1052
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,320
facility there? It would be no different

1053
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,000
if there was an LSL district or a

1054
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,320
planned commercial district. Anybody can

1055
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,520
request to zone anywhere. We have a

1056
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,200
comprehensive plan that says this is the

1057
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,119
single family residential areas. This

1058
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,760
is, you know, so like that's a guiding

1059
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,440
document. Um but it whether you went SL

1060
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,720
or you went permitted in commercial,

1061
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,960
it'd be the same conversation. You' just

1062
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,720
be requesting a different district. Oh,

1063
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,319
yeah. You'd have to resone either way.

1064
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:15,920
it would just be which district are you

1065
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,599
reszoning to.

1066
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,160
>> But I think to to Mr. Knight's point

1067
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,400
earlier, if you do go the commercial

1068
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,480
route with the P's and C's across the

1069
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,079
youth table and that that happens, um,

1070
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,400
now you've got you have a commercial

1071
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,119
zoning in the middle of a residential,

1072
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,280
in the middle of a light industrial, in

1073
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,040
the middle of wherever that ends up

1074
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,280
being reszoned. And for today, that use

1075
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,200
might fit, right? It might be a memory

1076
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,640
care facility. That does make sense

1077
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,400
right outside of a neighborhood where

1078
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,880
there was an open 5 acres. But once you

1079
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,400
have that zoning, that zoning is there.

1080
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,079
The plan development to Alderman

1081
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,760
Freriedman's point does govern what

1082
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,160
happens with within that lot. But our

1083
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,119
use table is going to govern the use.

1084
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,079
So, we could not have a store come up

1085
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:03,839
and say we want to, you know, purchase

1086
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:05,359
the property that was the existing

1087
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:07,040
memory care facility and we want to use

1088
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,280
it as a store, which we've got permitted

1089
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,440
in our commercial districts. We won't be

1090
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,280
able to say no because of that use. We

1091
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,359
could tweak their plan. We could say you

1092
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:16,800
need this many parking spaces, your

1093
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,560
setbacks are too small. All of those

1094
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,920
things are governed by that plan

1095
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,839
development, but the use is governed by

1096
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:24,160
the use table. So when you start calling

1097
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,000
things commercial and just plugging in

1098
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,319
other uses, we have to remember that in

1099
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:31,200
5, 10, 30 years from now, if that use is

1100
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,359
still permitted in a commercial, it it

1101
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:36,160
could become that other thing. And

1102
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,680
>> this is not an overlay.

1103
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,920
>> The the PD is not an overlay. It becomes

1104
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,280
its own district. the the board shall

1105
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,119
direct

1106
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,000
the city administrator

1107
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,720
to update the zoning map to include that

1108
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,240
district.

1109
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,720
>> If it is zoned commercial, the the

1110
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:03,760
permitted uses within the commercial are permitted.

1111
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,240
>> You're saying it's not an over you're

1112
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,880
saying it is an overlay.

1113
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,520
our our plan developments, those plans

1114
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,520
do operate as an overlay. They do um

1115
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,440
you've got your uses within

1116
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,720
>> We had we had um vigorous discussion on

1117
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,920
this when we passed the UDO and the

1118
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,240
decision was it would not be an overlay.

1119
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,599
>> I I understand what you're saying. I

1120
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:29,760
understand what the code says, but we're

1121
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,680
not creating a new zoning district every

1122
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,839
time a plan development comes in. And that's essentially what you're

1123
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,920
saying. We aren't creating a new

1124
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,870
>> The map would beg to differ.

1125
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,880
I I understand the map. We have a use

1126
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,119
table if it's zoned general commercial

1127
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,200
and there's a PD on top of it that

1128
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,960
allows for the Home Depots and the and

1129
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,560
all those things and the Bass Pro I

1130
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,760
think is technically but you're going to

1131
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,960
have a very hard time denying something

1132
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,359
that was reszoned for a memory care

1133
00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:03,280
facility and now wants to become

1134
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,640
something else that is general

1135
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,720
commercial. you're going to it's going

1136
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,319
to be far more difficult than if you

1137
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:09,920
create its own zoning district and you

1138
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,240
say the only thing allowed in these

1139
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,720
spots is senior living. You can never

1140
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,720
become a Walmart. You can never become a

1141
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,359
QT. And it's just going to be far more

1142
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:21,839
restrictive that way now and in the

1143
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:26,000
future. So if if we made a senior living

1144
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,520
district

1145
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,349
and

1146
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:34,800
village fell into the ground,

1147
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,640
the only thing that could go there is a

1148
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,599
nursing home or

1149
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:41,359
>> assuming they reszoned. I don't know

1150
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:42,720
what their existing zoning is, but

1151
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,400
assuming they did reszone into a senior

1152
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,720
living, they they redeveloped whatever.

1153
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,720
Yes. They fell into the ground. The only

1154
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,160
thing that can go into that spot without

1155
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,599
the board approving a reasonzoning would

1156
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,920
be a senior living facility within those

1157
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,011
uses,

1158
00:44:56,011 --> 00:44:56,720
[clears throat]

1159
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,720
>> which wouldn't be the same if it was

1160
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:03,990
commercial with just a permitted use.

1161
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,200
» Question, Alderman Davis.

1162
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,200
So, I have my five acres and I decide

1163
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,040
that I want to have an apartment

1164
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,079
building or I want to have a condo

1165
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,040
building, but if it's not zone senior

1166
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,960
living only, that can happen, right?

1167
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:23,680
>> No. So,

1168
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,599
>> we don't have multif family permit.

1169
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,280
>> So, multif family wouldn't be what we're

1170
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,920
talking about. And again, you're it

1171
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,359
sounds like we're talking about a single

1172
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:33,920
family zone subdivision. There's there's

1173
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,720
no change that you get entitlements to.

1174
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,880
You'd be requesting into a new district,

1175
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,800
just like you'd be requesting to an LC

1176
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,640
if you wanted commercial, SL, senior

1177
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:48,550
living, LI if you wanted industrial.

1178
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,160
Yeah. And again, I just sorry, I do

1179
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,400
think it'll work either way. Like I I

1180
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,200
don't want to act like one way is vastly

1181
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,960
different. I think she did a great point

1182
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,960
just explaining my thought process of

1183
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,960
reuse over time and calling it

1184
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,960
commercial if we're not truly seeing

1185
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,400
these areas of commercial. Even though I

1186
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,160
do know senior living operates as

1187
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,280
commercial. That's what I'm saying. I

1188
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,319
get it. And to echo and I I won't go far

1189
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:14,560
just you do require a plan. That's the

1190
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,160
plan development. You need to get a plan

1191
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,960
approved. It's just if you meet the code

1192
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,560
requirements and you have a plan and and

1193
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,960
that's the zoning district,

1194
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,040
that's what you're looking at. I will

1195
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,880
say too from another perspective of not

1196
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,240
just future redevelopment of these

1197
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,160
senior living facilities but our our

1198
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,280
commercial districts are are not very

1199
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,040
large right we are we are highly

1200
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,240
residential we're a neighborhood

1201
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,400
community the city thrives very well on

1202
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,119
it but I think it is important you know

1203
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,839
for the fiscal responsibility of us in

1204
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:45,440
this community is to ensure that we do

1205
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,200
protect those those commercial districts

1206
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,280
that we have and we allow them to

1207
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,960
continue operating and to continue

1208
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,560
bringing in sales tax dollars to the

1209
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,480
city so we can continue to be as great

1210
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,119
as we are. And so keeping that separate

1211
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,000
where they and not to be, you know, too

1212
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,680
abrasive, but they they don't bring in

1213
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,440
tax dollars. And so keeping those

1214
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,200
outside of those districts is going to

1215
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,720
protect those existing commercial

1216
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,119
zonings and make sure that use is

1217
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,280
exactly what that's for. And then those

1218
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,640
can operate, the senior living

1219
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,560
facilities can operate in other spaces

1220
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,670
that are less commercial attractive.

1221
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,760
» Alderman Davis. So there are two 5 acre

1222
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,359
maybe 5 acre plus uh sections across

1223
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:30,800
from Thomas Jefferson school um that

1224
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,720
right now one is completely it's all

1225
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,560
trees it's never been developed at all

1226
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,240
and one has five houses on it I think so

1227
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,960
how can that can those be changed to be

1228
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,640
senior living um areas or not

1229
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,000
>> the owners could apply for a

1230
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,160
reasonzoning if they wished to do that

1231
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,319
under under this they would meet that 5

1232
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:52,160
acre requirement. Obviously, we'd have

1233
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,760
to look at their plan. And that's the

1234
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,119
thing, too. Now, you're talking about a

1235
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,200
complete resoning, which is a heftier

1236
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,800
process. The board has a lot more

1237
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,960
authority on saying no to a resoning

1238
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,480
than you would on something that's

1239
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,800
permitted, even if it's conditional. Um,

1240
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,880
but to answer your question, anybody

1241
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,119
could apply and if at that time the

1242
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,720
board thought that that was a suitable

1243
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,880
use for that space, you all would

1244
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,800
approve a reszoning and then essentially

1245
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,640
eventually a plan development.

1246
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,920
>> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions

1247
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,960
from the board?

1248
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,440
>> Just a comment if we're going to key and

1249
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,599
I I think it is appropriate if we're

1250
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:29,520
going to look to Friendship Village as

1251
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,400
um an inspiration for how we move

1252
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,359
forward. You know, that the existing

1253
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:37,920
size of that is 50 acres and that's what

1254
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,559
makes it such a beautiful campus with so

1255
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,280
many amenities. Um and it's adding on

1256
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,800
another

1257
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,720
six acres. Um, I think five acres is

1258
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,280
woefully small for if you're going to um

1259
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,520
set up a whole new zoning district.

1260
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,119
Thank you.

1261
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,599
>> Any other comments from the board?

1262
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,240
Alderman Columbo? I I think I would add

1263
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,559
that Peace Haven is also a model of how

1264
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,880
to upgrade and build and that is on five

1265
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,640
acres and I I not to say that like Lommy

1266
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,000
Place condos and that's not necessarily

1267
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,200
a senior thing but that's less than a 5

1268
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,760
acre piece. I mean so tasteful things

1269
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,400
can be done on five acre

1270
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,960
>> pieces of property that look very nice

1271
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,319
and blend in with our community.

1272
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:28,800
>> Okay. Anyone from the audience have any

1273
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,030
comments during our public hearing?

1274
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:41,829
Mr. Hardy

1275
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:44,880
Frank Hardy 421 Raburn. I have a

1276
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,079
hodgepodge just listen to you all a lot

1277
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,599
of thoughts. Um, I talked to Mike a

1278
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:54,480
little bit before this meeting began and

1279
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,880
the five acre issue uh uh came up. Uh,

1280
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,280
as you probably know, you have four

1281
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,920
senior living facilities in the city

1282
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,440
right now. Uh, one of them is uh 3 acres

1283
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,400
in Friendship Village is 50 acres. He

1284
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,520
didn't know what the next one is above

1285
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,720
uh three acres. So I'm I'm questioning,

1286
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,440
you know, you you think about Friendship

1287
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,359
Village and also think about Lar Park or

1288
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:24,824
Lomar U

1289
00:50:24,824 --> 00:50:24,960
>> [clears throat]

1290
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,160
>> uh senior living there and is 5 acres

1291
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,359
large enough? Um

1292
00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:36,240
and also am concerned about the uh

1293
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:40,720
setbacks that are listed here. Um

1294
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,680
when LMAR uh was was built, yes, it was

1295
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,160
supposed to be condos uh and it was

1296
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,760
changed to senior living. Um but there

1297
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,720
was a number of issues uh as it was

1298
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,640
being built. I happened to be an

1299
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,520
alderman at the time and Doug Magcguire

1300
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,480
happens to be here at this meeting uh

1301
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,920
was an alderman and also the trustee on

1302
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,920
Merit Drive. And there were some

1303
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,559
residents that backed up to uh that

1304
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,200
facility and they had a whole bunch of

1305
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:17,119
issues and uh justified issues too. So

1306
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,319
um I'm also thinking back to when I was

1307
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:23,680
an alderman years ago. Uh some uh

1308
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,720
residents in Sunset Manor approached me

1309
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,079
about reszoning that area.

1310
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:34,480
um they were zoned at R5, which is 7,500

1311
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,559
square ft.

1312
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:38,559
And so if they wanted to do anything to

1313
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:41,839
their homes, uh their lots were too

1314
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:46,319
small. The average lot uh in uh Sunset

1315
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:51,599
Matter is 50 by 132, which calculates to

1316
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:56,000
just over 5,000 ft. So, uh, the majority

1317
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,520
of those people had to jump through

1318
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,280
hoops just to do, uh, some improvements

1319
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,520
to their homes.

1320
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,000
So we uh decided the board back then to

1321
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,839
uh reduce or create a new zoning uh

1322
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:15,040
classification of R six which is 5,000

1323
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:20,079
square ft which uh for most of it uh uh

1324
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,400
that satisfied

1325
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,599
um them allowing to do things and having

1326
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:28,319
not to jump over a couple of hurdles to

1327
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:31,040
do those improvements. There were some

1328
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,960
that still had to fill out forms and and

1329
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,160
uh uh jump over those hurdles uh to do

1330
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,760
those improvements to their home. But

1331
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,200
the question is what is the right size?

1332
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,599
Obviously, you think about uh Friendship

1333
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,760
Village being a model here, but I

1334
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,079
understand that there are smaller ones,

1335
00:52:54,079 --> 00:53:03,040
but places like Larmore are bigger than uh uh that 5 acres, too. So,

1336
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,119
and I asked Mike, uh you know, there's

1337
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,200
nothing proposed, but where are you

1338
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,200
thinking of putting uh these uh

1339
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,920
senior living facilities? And because

1340
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,839
nothing has been proposed yet, he didn't

1341
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:18,480
have an answer for that. But there's a

1342
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,720
whole lot of uh concern here. Uh I'd ask

1343
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:26,480
that you uh not read this uh for a

1344
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,880
second time tonight and possibly hold

1345
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,920
the uh public hearing open till till

1346
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,599
next month so other residents uh might

1347
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,880
be able to come and add their comments.

1348
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,040
Uh but um think about

1349
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,240
what's the appropriate size uh for this

1350
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,480
and what are the appropriate

1351
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,680
measurements, building size, setbacks,

1352
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,280
all that kind of stuff um that goes into

1353
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,920
something like this. Uh I don't have the

1354
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,760
answers uh but I I want to call that to

1355
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,040
your attention to uh consent. So thank

1356
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:05,839
you for your time.

1357
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:07,760
>> Mr. Hardy, I also had the pleasure of

1358
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,280
serving on the board of alderman with

1359
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,880
you and Dr. Magguire during the process.

1360
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,000
>> Yeah.

1361
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,280
>> of Lomar.

1362
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,160
>> Thank you.

1363
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,440
>> I'm not that old.

1364
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,040
>> I'm not either.

1365
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,680
>> That's a lie. [laughter]

1366
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,119
>> Are any other comments from the

1367
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,520
audience?

1368
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,040
>> All right. We'll now close the public

1369
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,520
hearing and move on to public comment.

1370
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:37,190
Dr. Magcguire.

1371
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,040
Doug Maguire, 12501 Merit Drive. Isn't

1372
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,400
that right? Isn't that where I have to

1373
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,480
go? [laughter] Okay. I get lost

1374
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,599
sometime. Big deal. Anyway, I came up.

1375
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,119
Some of you don't always Friendship

1376
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,800
Village or Peace Haven or [laughter]

1377
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,599
>> Please, not quite yet.

1378
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,760
Maybe next week.

1379
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,720
Anyway, um some people here probably

1380
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:04,160
don't know me, but I just retired last

1381
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,359
month, uh in June after serving for 20

1382
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:10,319
years, and I started out behind the

1383
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:13,280
desk. I was an alderman

1384
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,920
with the aforementioned mayor, who I'm

1385
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,559
so proud of, and and thank you for

1386
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:21,119
putting up with me [laughter] for so

1387
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:25,200
many years. We did a lot of good. But uh

1388
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,200
I also uh want to thank my old I called

1389
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,319
him the boss Gerald. What a work this

1390
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:35,920
man is. He is such a valuable asset to

1391
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,800
this city. The man not only does

1392
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,880
everybody like him, especially the

1393
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,920
people that work for him. But that's not

1394
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,960
just here, it's everywhere we go, you

1395
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,520
know, around the state. Everyone likes

1396
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,799
Gerald. and and I really respect him for

1397
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:55,599
all the work he does. I know he's on top

1398
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:58,240
of every single grant that we can get,

1399
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,119
which is what a modern-day parks board

1400
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,760
is supposed to be all about. And he

1401
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,319
certainly fits that bill. And if this

1402
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:09,520
city ever loses him, we will be in a bad

1403
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,200
place. He will be very hard to replace.

1404
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,030
not as hard as me. But [laughter]

1405
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,119
but I also wanted to tell you that I've

1406
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:22,400
recently found myself in four major

1407
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,880
categories these days. I'm a 20enter.

1408
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,280
I'm a 4enter. I'm a 1enter and I'm a

1409
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,359
less than 1enter.

1410
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:37,680
Now the 20% is I'm one of the 20% people

1411
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,559
that can drive a stick shift.

1412
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:43,119
80% of the people nowadays cannot drive

1413
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,760
a stick shift car anymore, which is

1414
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,079
ridiculous, but so I think, but what do

1415
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:52,079
I know? And the the less than 1%.

1416
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:53,920
I've spent 20 years working for the

1417
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,960
city. Guess what? Nobody else. Hardly

1418
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,280
anyone else. Well, sorry, Frank. You're

1419
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,119
in that group [laughter]

1420
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,280
and the mayor, but there's very, very

1421
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,920
few that get that far. the [snorts]

1422
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,000
other ones.

1423
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,799
Um, [clears throat] 1%

1424
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:14,480
I got drafted into the army in 1970

1425
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,280
and only 1% of the United States

1426
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,680
population serves in the military. Now,

1427
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,760
I'm not telling you I wanted to go.

1428
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,720
Vietnam was still cooking and if you got

1429
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,400
drafted, you know where you were going

1430
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,440
to go. And uh, it was not a pleasant

1431
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,920
thing. And it was even worse when we got

1432
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,799
home. Back in those days, I could not

1433
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:38,559
have stood up here and talked. They

1434
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,960
would have told me to hit the door. We

1435
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,559
were They all thought we were going to

1436
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,040
freak out and blow everybody up.

1437
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,079
Whatever. Anyway, but my 4% is something

1438
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:51,520
we could all do. I'm one of the 4% of

1439
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,640
Americans who give blood regularly.

1440
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,040
And I would love to see this make

1441
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,119
America great again. You want to make

1442
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:01,839
America great? Give your blood. give

1443
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,839
your organs. These are the things that

1444
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:06,720
make America great. It's not money. It's

1445
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,720
not all this crazy stuff that's going

1446
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,720
on. And I don't want to tell you the

1447
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,480
president was a draft dodger. Don't want

1448
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,160
to say that cuz I did my duty. Anyway,

1449
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,160
again, thank you, mayor, for all the

1450
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,599
years. Gerald couldn't be happier with

1451
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:24,160
what we did and how things went. It's

1452
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,200
going to continue. Oh, one more thing.

1453
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,720
Please utilize the art committee when

1454
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,920
things go through that are art related.

1455
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,520
I think they should go through the art

1456
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,359
committee.

1457
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:39,839
They need more to do too, you know, just

1458
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:41,920
keep them busy. They have good ideas,

1459
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,319
but always more to do. Thank you

1460
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:45,760
everyone. Hope you have a pleasant

1461
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:46,559
evening.

1462
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,160
>> Thank you for your service, Dr.

1463
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:53,270
Magcguire.

1464
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,730
» Have any other public comments?

1465
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:59,670
[laughter]

1466
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,839
Do we have any other public comments?

1467
00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:03,520
Mrs. Gillette, have you received any?

1468
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,240
Mrs. Stone, have you received any email?

1469
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,880
Okay, moving on now to old business.

1470
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,680
We have none. City official and

1471
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,440
committee reports, city clerk, city

1472
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,359
administrator, Mrs. Gillette. That'll be

1473
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:20,319
hard to follow. Um, just a reminder that

1474
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:22,160
we do have two meetings next month. We

1475
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,520
will have our regularly scheduled board

1476
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:24,640
of alderman meeting and then we will

1477
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,319
have our work session. We'll do that

1478
00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:27,599
with the finance committee. That one

1479
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:29,760
typically starts at 5:30 on the 4th

1480
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,920
Tuesday. Thank you.

1481
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:37,829
>> Director of finance, Mr. Tman.

1482
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:39,760
» Thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh, as I've

1483
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,200
been talking about for the last several

1484
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,079
months, tonight is the 2026 midyear

1485
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,559
budget adjustment is in front of you. Um

1486
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:47,839
it was presented at the finance

1487
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:50,400
committee in July and they unanimous

1488
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,200
unanimously recommended uh for your

1489
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,960
approval. It's on there for a second

1490
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,880
reading tonight which is per usual that

1491
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,040
we do. Uh the overall adjustment is

1492
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,920
favorable but favorable by 130,800.

1493
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,839
Next month as Britney mentioned we'll

1494
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:07,119
have the two meetings. At the first

1495
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:09,119
meeting we'll have the public hearing

1496
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:10,640
for the real estate and personal

1497
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,599
property tax rates. Um, and then we'll

1498
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,440
put the ordinance in that meeting as

1499
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,839
well to be read. And then as Britney

1500
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:19,599
mentioned, uh, the second meeting is the

1501
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:21,920
budget. So, right now, that's what

1502
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,839
finance is involved in. That's what my

1503
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:26,799
head's been in all day is 2027's budget.

1504
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:28,559
The city staff are preparing all their

1505
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:31,520
capital uh, five-year capital plans. I'm

1506
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,040
consolidating all that data and we're

1507
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,640
putting it all together so that staff

1508
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,799
can review all of that, put together all

1509
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:39,200
the information for you all next month.

1510
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,160
So, it's a busy time right now for us.

1511
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,760
Thank you all for your time.

1512
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,520
>> Thank you very much, Chief of Police.

1513
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:50,069
Chief Dodge.

1514
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,319
» Thank you, Mayor. Uh we finished up with

1515
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:54,960
our last uh phone scam presentation uh

1516
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,680
last month. Uh overall, it was pretty

1517
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,760
successful. We had uh over 40 people

1518
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,319
attend um between the two presentations,

1519
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:06,640
about 40 minutes of presentation, and

1520
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,680
then about a half hour of of question uh

1521
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,880
afterwards. So, everyone was really um

1522
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,480
paying attention and into it and so

1523
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,960
hopefully uh it, you know, it helped and

1524
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,559
we might do this again sometime in the

1525
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,880
near future. Um we did conduct some

1526
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,400
active shooter training at Chestnut

1527
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,960
Rehab uh conducted by Officer Greg

1528
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,680
Schnitker and Detective Sergeant Pisker.

1529
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,520
Um talked to him about what our response

1530
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,440
would be, what they can do if god forbid

1531
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,520
ever happens there. Um this is something

1532
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,680
we have done for for businesses and

1533
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,920
schools and and other entities. So

1534
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,920
certainly if anybody is is interested in

1535
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,000
that, just contact the PD and that's

1536
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,319
something we can help them out with. Um

1537
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:47,040
and then lastly, we uh have our uh body

1538
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,280
cams and our new radios all up and

1539
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,359
operational. A lot of hard work by

1540
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:53,440
Lieutenant Greg's Vital and uh Jeff

1541
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,839
Morris um getting those systems up and

1542
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:58,000
running. Um so they really are a nice

1543
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,680
upgrade from what we had before. So

1544
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,119
we're very appreciative for that as well

1545
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:02,480
because I know the board approved that.

1546
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,960
So thank you on that one. And if anyone

1547
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,400
has any questions,

1548
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,760
>> Alderman Davis.

1549
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:08,319
>> Yes, ma'am.

1550
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:10,480
>> Okay. I've been I think all of us

1551
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,839
probably have been receiving those

1552
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:14,559
messages about flop cameras and the

1553
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:17,920
audio being used and being and some

1554
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,920
people doing things they shouldn't be

1555
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,319
doing with them. So, how do we audit

1556
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:24,480
that? What's the process in Sunset

1557
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,960
Hills? Well, we do have we do have a uh

1558
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,359
policy concerning all our systems,

1559
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:31,440
whether it's Flock,

1560
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,440
um our body cams, uh Regis, any kind of

1561
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:41,040
database that we are that we do have, we have a policy that says they are for

1562
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,440
official use only and any use beyond

1563
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,160
that can result in discipline up to and

1564
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,200
including termination. So what we also

1565
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,520
have done recently is we had all the

1566
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,119
sergeants address this issue obviously

1567
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:54,640
because it is a hot button issue with

1568
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,799
all the officers at all the roll calls

1569
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:59,040
to let them know hey this is something

1570
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,200
that's obviously people are paying a lot

1571
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,599
of attention to and again you know

1572
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,920
readise them of the policy so to speak.

1573
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,079
I myself has put have put out emails

1574
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,240
concerning latest incidents that have

1575
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,319
happened in the news that we've seen

1576
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:15,920
that have resulted in officers getting

1577
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,240
charged and fired and whatnot and just

1578
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,480
reemphasized them to them. Hey, this is

1579
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,480
just an very important database to us.

1580
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,079
It really is. I asked our detectives

1581
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:25,520
today. I said, "Hey, what percentage do

1582
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,680
you think of our cases that we go out

1583
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,680
and solve do we utilize this flock

1584
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,039
system?" And they said just about every

1585
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,359
one of them. Um I know it it also

1586
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:34,799
prevented, you know, stop. We had car

1587
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:36,000
clottings really bad up at the Grand

1588
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,039
View neighborhood. I don't know if you

1589
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:37,920
remember that. they were getting

1590
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,319
hammered and uh including one incident

1591
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:42,400
where they uh had a subject go into one

1592
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,160
of the garages armed with a pistol and

1593
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,160
that was caught on camera. A flock

1594
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,839
system was put into that neighborhood by

1595
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:49,760
that neighborhood and we haven't had a

1596
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,160
problem since. Um same goes with the

1597
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,400
Gravo Industrial neighborhood. We had uh

1598
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,319
we they put in a flock system down

1599
01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:58,079
there. We were getting hit there a

1600
01:03:58,079 --> 01:03:59,839
couple times a week. Haven't had a

1601
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:01,359
problem. So we really emphasize to the

1602
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:03,119
officers, hey, this is too important of

1603
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:05,760
a system for us to mess up because if

1604
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,280
this keeps on happening, that's that's

1605
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:08,480
what will happen. People will take it

1606
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,720
away. Now, we do have an audit system in

1607
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,000
place that is uh uh Mary Eler is the one

1608
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,599
who who gets a report at the end of the

1609
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:19,760
month. Every time you uh pull up a do a

1610
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,480
flock search, you have to give a reason

1611
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,079
and it has to have be a law enforcement

1612
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,240
reason. And so those are reviewed every

1613
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,079
month by uh Mary and also the

1614
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:30,000
lieutenants as well. So this is

1615
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,680
something we take very seriously and we

1616
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,000
understand the concern too. Okay.

1617
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,000
Privacy is very important to people but

1618
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,599
this system is so important to us that

1619
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,240
we want to make sure that we have tight

1620
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,839
controls on it to where people's

1621
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:43,680
privacies are are respected and we're

1622
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,200
able to utilize this very important

1623
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,559
tool.

1624
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:48,960
>> How how widespread is the flock camera

1625
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,039
used in Sunset Hills in subdivisions?

1626
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:52,799
>> Well, we only have well we only have two

1627
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:54,480
cameras. The city itself only has two

1628
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,039
cameras. Um but there's several

1629
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,119
neighborhoods I want to say. Yeah,

1630
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:00,720
there's a I don't want to really put

1631
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,000
them out there right now because these

1632
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,359
things are getting cut down left and

1633
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:05,920
right, but um because that's that's a

1634
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,280
big problem we have right now is the

1635
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,480
vandalism with these things. They're

1636
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,720
starting to uh cut cut them vandalize

1637
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,319
them and do and other things to them.

1638
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:14,160
So, we're aware of that and if that

1639
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,559
happens, we will investigate that, too.

1640
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:18,240
But, uh there are a lot of neighborhoods

1641
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,319
that have utilized these that are

1642
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:21,920
utilized these and they they're paid for

1643
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,280
by the neighborhoods, just so we're

1644
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,920
clear on that. um that can, you know,

1645
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,480
alert us if if a stolen car comes in in

1646
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:29,680
the neighborhood or something like that

1647
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:30,799
because that that's the big thing about

1648
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:32,400
a lot of the crimes are being committed.

1649
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,000
They use stolen cars to commit these

1650
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,079
crimes. And so, you know, if we get hit

1651
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:37,440
for a stolen car in a neighborhood, hey,

1652
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,400
that's something we're going to want to

1653
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,559
go and get there as quickly as possible.

1654
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:42,400
So, it really is just a critical system

1655
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,160
for us. So, we want to do everything we

1656
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,640
can to make sure it's not abused and

1657
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,640
that we can keep using the system.

1658
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,400
>> So, I think I heard you say that more

1659
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,720
than one person reviews if there's an

1660
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,720
issue. It's not just you making the

1661
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,720
decision, it's you plus. Is that

1662
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:56,960
correct?

1663
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,640
>> Yeah, we have we have we we just

1664
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,799
recently it's started this because of

1665
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:01,920
everything that's going on. We've always

1666
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,359
had the policy policyy's always been

1667
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:05,200
there, but yeah, it it's a there's a

1668
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,200
report that's that's generated at at the

1669
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,880
end of every month and it goes over

1670
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,119
who's using the system and for what

1671
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:12,880
>> and who reviews that.

1672
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,880
>> Right now we have uh Mary Eler is kind

1673
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,599
of our uh flock person, but then it can

1674
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:19,839
also be she'll do that with a

1675
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:22,480
conjunction of lieutenants as well.

1676
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,559
Thank you.

1677
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,240
>> Any other questions for the chief?

1678
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,640
>> This one goes I do have one. Go ahead.

1679
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,960
>> This one is about drones. Are we

1680
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,559
considering having drones?

1681
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:33,280
>> No.

1682
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,280
>> Okay.

1683
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,799
>> Alderman Akens.

1684
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:38,720
>> Thank you. I just had a quick question.

1685
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,359
I noticed that Ward One accounts for

1686
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:44,319
nine of July's 12 larsenies. And I was

1687
01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:46,240
just wondering if there was a pattern

1688
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,000
that Ward One residents need to know

1689
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,160
about. Like is this one neighborhood? Is

1690
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,960
this like random vehicle breakins? Just

1691
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,720
anything that our residents need to

1692
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:55,280
know?

1693
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,280
>> Well, I think uh if I'm not mistaken,

1694
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,599
that incorporates some of the business

1695
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,920
area. Correct. That's uh Home Depot and

1696
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,160
that area in there. So, yeah, that's just I think I'm I'm almost sure.

1697
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,359
I'd have to look through it and I can

1698
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:08,400
get an answer for you, but I'm pretty

1699
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,839
sure that's going to be like a lot of

1700
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:11,440
shopliftings and that kind of thing.

1701
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,240
>> Okay. Thank you,

1702
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,000
Alderman Freriedman. We um incorporated

1703
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,039
uh double fines on

1704
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:25,280
>> Denny are and it are the are any double

1705
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,680
fine tickets being written or I know

1706
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,079
that's a discret discretionary thing.

1707
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,160
>> Well, I know the a bunch of tickets have

1708
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,680
written have been written on there and

1709
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:34,960
the officers are aware. I haven't

1710
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,720
specifically checked the tickets to see

1711
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,720
which ones have have been marked double

1712
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:43,359
fine, but I think as far as I know they probably most of them have been. I

1713
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:45,359
but that's something I can look into.

1714
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:47,280
>> That is some certainly that we can check

1715
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,039
with the prosecutor as well.

1716
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:52,319
>> Thank you very much, Chief.

1717
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:53,039
>> Thank you,

1718
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:57,990
>> city attorney, Mrs. Cely.

1719
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,680
» Um, yes, I really don't have much

1720
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,440
report. Still working on some things in

1721
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,480
the background. So hopefully we'll be

1722
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:03,839
able to bring some code amendments to

1723
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:05,920
you as we move those. But unless there's

1724
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,200
any questions, that's all I have for

1725
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,319
tonight. Okay.

1726
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:11,039
>> Any questions for Mrs. Celely?

1727
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:11,440
>> All right.

1728
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,839
>> Thank you so much. Director of Planning

1729
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:17,040
and Public Works, Mr. Knight.

1730
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,759
>> I'm back. Um, just a couple things

1731
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:21,600
tonight. Uh, one thing I want to make

1732
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,319
the the board aware of is every 5 years

1733
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,159
we go out to bid for our trash, our

1734
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:28,480
solid waste. Um, we have gone out to

1735
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:31,520
bid. Um, it's out there as once we get

1736
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,440
our bids returned, we'll return back to

1737
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:35,920
committee and the board. Um, as we

1738
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,080
typically would, uh, we've been talking

1739
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,480
about another city entrance sign at

1740
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:41,920
committee. you know, our city entrance

1741
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,000
signs that sit on Lindberg at both

1742
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,159
entrances. There's another location

1743
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:49,359
where we have an existing one on Watson

1744
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,199
um just right as you cross the Crestwood

1745
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:53,759
border heading west talking to that

1746
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:56,000
property owner about uh putting one on

1747
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,120
their property because they have to be

1748
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,040
out of rightway. They're agreeable.

1749
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:00,560
We're just going out there talking to

1750
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,279
them and then u we'll program that in to

1751
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:05,359
the budget for next year or put it for

1752
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,159
them. Um, so two projects. One,

1753
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:10,560
Kennerly, we talked about Kennerly Road

1754
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,719
and the storm water infrastructure

1755
01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:14,799
replacement that is needed. We had a

1756
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:17,359
pre-construction meeting. Um, they

1757
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:19,359
talked about how this would be done.

1758
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,839
It'll be a 4-day approach in which

1759
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:24,080
they'll have to close down the road for

1760
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,839
4 days from 9:00 a.m. to 300 p.m. Um, we

1761
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:30,640
will get there the the big piece of

1762
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,640
infrastructure is in production. So once

1763
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,080
we know it's completed, which should

1764
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,960
happen very soon, we'll have at least a

1765
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,520
week's notice that we'll start um

1766
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,600
communicating to the public of this road

1767
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,000
closure. Um it's a 4 day, so we want to

1768
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,759
start on a Monday. So we'll have, you

1769
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:47,199
know, however works out for that week

1770
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:49,920
and start on a Monday. Um and which

1771
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,279
again, it'll only be closed right at

1772
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:53,839
that spot, but message boards, Facebook,

1773
01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:55,679
all the ways that we communicate these

1774
01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:59,199
road closures um will implement. West

1775
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:01,440
Watson phase two. Again, we've been

1776
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:03,120
talking about that one. So, we're at the

1777
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,320
first phase of phase two. We were uh

1778
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,400
Spire last time. They are currently

1779
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,159
moving their infrastructure out of their

1780
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,480
way. T-Hill is moving everywhere they

1781
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:14,480
can until they can close in, which is

1782
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:16,239
where they were going to start and

1783
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:19,360
finish up. At earliest, we're projecting

1784
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,320
end of September. Um and again, we

1785
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,320
talked at committee level. We say within

1786
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,080
two weeks once we get close enough to

1787
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,000
where we can define a timeline but we're

1788
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
two weeks back we'll start communicating

1789
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,280
the second phase of that closure from

1790
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,840
Pagata to the we'll call it the overpass

1791
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,000
updates on both of those unless there's

1792
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,719
any questions that's what I have

1793
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:44,400
contract

1794
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,840
>> so end of this year so January 2027 is

1795
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,600
when it would start to 31

1796
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,760
>> Alderman Schwarz Yeah, Mike, can you

1797
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,080
give me an update on the Onyx schedule

1798
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,320
as well as the solar lights, speeds

1799
01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:58,800
lights?

1800
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,719
>> Oh, yes. So, I'll I'll start with the

1801
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:02,000
solar lights because Jerry just

1802
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,719
mentioned today that um he either just

1803
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:06,159
got them or he knows a date. So,

1804
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:07,679
remember that was either next year or

1805
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:09,520
this year. We had funds in the budget,

1806
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,199
so we did order them. So, that should

1807
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:13,040
happen fairly soon. Once he gets them,

1808
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,360
he'll put them up. Um Onyx, we're still

1809
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,600
looking at that September date, early

1810
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,080
September. It hasn't changed since then.

1811
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,199
>> Okay. Thank you.

1812
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:24,880
>> Mhm. Any other questions for Mr. Knight?

1813
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,640
All right. Thank you very much. Director

1814
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,719
of Parks and Recreation, Mr. Brown.

1815
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:32,239
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Just a couple of

1816
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,239
items. One is our tennis court. We will

1817
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:36,320
be holding our ribbon cutting ceremony

1818
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,560
this Saturday at 10:00 a.m. Uh the

1819
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,000
actual ribbon cutting will take place at

1820
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,880
10:30. We're going to hold um clinics,

1821
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,560
pickle ball clinics and tennis clinics.

1822
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:45,840
They'll start at 10:00. They'll run till

1823
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,520
noon. So, if you've never played tennis

1824
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:48,640
or you want to understand how to play

1825
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,320
pickle ball, we have people there to

1826
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,159
show everyone. We'll also have barbecue

1827
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:54,000
for anyone that shows up after the

1828
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,080
actual ribbon cutting. So, or if you

1829
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,760
haven't been by, there's two courts that

1830
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,560
are 100% complete. Um, and by Friday,

1831
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,239
we're supposed to have the other two

1832
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:05,040
100% complete. Uh, they look fantastic.

1833
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,480
I will say that the two that are

1834
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:10,000
completely done look fantastic. So, um,

1835
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,280
unfortunately, the tennis team couldn't

1836
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,880
get on them today. They had still had to

1837
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,600
dry. U, but they're they're um they're

1838
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,239
wanting to get on them very quickly. So,

1839
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:20,239
uh, Sunset Nights, it's our annual

1840
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:22,239
machine madness event. That's going to

1841
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:24,400
be held next Wednesday, August 19th,

1842
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:25,679
6:00 to 8:00 p.m. It's going to be held

1843
01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:27,840
at Minihaha Park. Compared to, in the

1844
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,040
past, we've always held it here. It's

1845
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,199
very cramped. A lot of large trucks,

1846
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:34,159
dump trucks, mail trucks, army vehicles,

1847
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:35,920
police vehicles, fire trucks, you name

1848
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,199
it, we have it where the kids can

1849
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:39,520
actually go in, hit the horn, so forth.

1850
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,480
Um, that'll be from 6:00 to 8 on next

1851
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:44,159
Wednesday. We also have food trucks and

1852
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,560
we have live music as well. So happy to

1853
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:51,189
answer any other questions.

1854
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:52,080
» Oh, thank you.

1855
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,360
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Brown.

1856
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,560
>> Mr. Brown,

1857
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:55,280
>> one question

1858
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,880
>> for Brian.

1859
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,640
>> Are we going to be able to fish in that

1860
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,840
lake anytime soon?

1861
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:06,560
>> So, where we're at with that project, we had a survey conducted to do a

1862
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,199
grading plan. Uh the issue at hand has

1863
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,199
always been about the watershed. We've

1864
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:13,679
had numerous people out there, different

1865
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:16,159
contractors, architects, engineers

1866
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:17,840
trying to do the calculations. Do we

1867
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,000
attract enough water to keep the water

1868
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,840
level at a certain height? So, there's

1869
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,040
been discussion of putting an

1870
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,840
agricultural well to help feed that to

1871
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,159
offset that. Uh, but what we did was we

1872
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:29,679
did a survey. We hired a company to come

1873
01:13:29,679 --> 01:13:31,199
in and actually just do a grading plan,

1874
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:32,880
very inexpensive survey, just to have

1875
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,560
them come in, do a little light survey

1876
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,000
where grading needs to be done and

1877
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,560
pushed. Um, I hope to have a proposal by

1878
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,800
the end of this week and we hope to

1879
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,600
start to move dirt. You'll start to see

1880
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,760
some movement. Um, will we be able to

1881
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,080
fish in it this year?

1882
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,560
>> I [laughter] I don't know. I I I don't

1883
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,560
want to say yes, but maybe in December.

1884
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,199
It might be uh fishing in December, but

1885
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:56,560
>> ice fishing.

1886
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,800
>> And they're referring to the Bander

1887
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,600
Property Fishing Lake for children. That

1888
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:01,920
is correct.

1889
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,159
>> That the foundation is supporting.

1890
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:06,159
>> Correct. And Mr. and the steering

1891
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:07,840
family. So,

1892
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,719
>> so it is it's moving along and I do

1893
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:13,520
apologize for the delay. It's just been

1894
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,760
a bigger project than we anticipated it

1895
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,239
to be trying to do it in-house. So,

1896
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,000
>> well, we are making interest on the

1897
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,320
money sitting there. So, that's good.

1898
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:23,760
>> Yeah, it wasn't the intention. The

1899
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,520
intention was we really thought we could

1900
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,040
do it all in house and it's just been

1901
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,360
become a bigger job than our six guys

1902
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,520
doing it. So,

1903
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,280
>> thank you, Mr. Brown. Moving on to

1904
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,120
committee reports, finance committee,

1905
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,400
Alderman Fernandez.

1906
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,600
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Appreciate

1907
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,251
that. And it is open for swimming. Uh

1908
01:14:40,251 --> 01:14:41,120
[laughter]

1909
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,199
mumbo, if you're right down. Yes.

1910
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,360
So, as uh Mr. Treman noted, we met on

1911
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,239
the 27th of July and spent a fair amount

1912
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:51,520
of time going through the budget

1913
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,120
adjustments. Uh that's important because

1914
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,320
year to year, these things are just hard

1915
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,080
to follow. Uh there's just timing delays

1916
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,600
and things. Um but to his point,

1917
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,120
unanimously approved those. So, thank

1918
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,199
you. Um, additionally, we did spend a

1919
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:02,960
fair amount of time also talking about

1920
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,320
Prop P and everything that's coming

1921
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,520
ahead. I know we have a steering

1922
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:06,960
committee is dealing with that, but

1923
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,400
really diving deeply in these numbers

1924
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,080
and the committee is really excited um

1925
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,159
to do some work on that. So, appreciate

1926
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:14,640
that. More to report next month.

1927
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,800
>> Any questions for Alderman Fernandez.

1928
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,120
Okay. Thank you very much. Parks and

1929
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,600
Recreation Commission. Alderman Davis.

1930
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,640
>> Thank you. Um, our August meeting is

1931
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,640
going to be a walkthrough of Watson

1932
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,320
Trail Park. in case you haven't been

1933
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,880
there recently. It looks fabulous. Thank

1934
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,960
you, sir, for all the work you're doing.

1935
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,560
Can't believe your head's not this big

1936
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,800
already from what Doug said. So, we also

1937
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,400
have repair going on in both Minihaha

1938
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,360
and Watson Trail with asphalt and

1939
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,640
overlays. And we have a day the day camp

1940
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,199
ended. We had 80 children attend on a

1941
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:54,719
weekly basis. And our annual dog splash

1942
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:58,080
event will be September 9th and 11th.

1943
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,239
And that's all I have to report.

1944
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:02,000
>> Thank you very much. Police Advisory

1945
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,600
Board, Alderman Columbo.

1946
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,400
>> We will meet next Tuesday, but I would

1947
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,239
like to add I had lunch with the police

1948
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:11,120
chief of Maplewood today and he is going

1949
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,280
to have to go in front of his board to

1950
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,600
justify keeping the flock cameras and he

1951
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,600
actually thinks he's going to lose. So,

1952
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,159
it's thankful to our alderman, our

1953
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:22,239
residents, the support they show our law

1954
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:24,480
enforcement that we get to keep tools

1955
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,800
like that to keep our community safer.

1956
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,040
So, it is very important that we

1957
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,520
maintain those

1958
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,280
>> very much public works committee

1959
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,320
alderman dos.

1960
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:35,679
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1961
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:39,120
>> Uh, Mr. Knight, you were very uh concise

1962
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,600
in your report, so I edited a lot of my

1963
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,640
notes. So, here are the things that Mike

1964
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,480
didn't bring up. So, I give you new

1965
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,800
information. Uh, during the public

1966
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,520
comment time, Alderman Freeman led a

1967
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,000
discussion on city assistance for

1968
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,840
private street maintenance in terms of

1969
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,880
specifications and bid costing. It was a

1970
01:16:58,880 --> 01:16:59,920
very good discussion.

1971
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:02,000
>> Turn on your mic, please turn on your

1972
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,510
mic.

1973
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,600
» I thought I was loud enough anyway, but

1974
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:08,159
okay.

1975
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:09,199
>> Usually, you are.

1976
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:12,719
>> Yeah, I know. I know. [laughter]

1977
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:15,760
Um we then move to a discussion on

1978
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,159
contractor selection results concerning

1979
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:20,400
chip seal

1980
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,960
and the difference in results between

1981
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,280
residential streets versus higher

1982
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,920
traffic arterial streets. It was very

1983
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,159
good discussion.

1984
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,560
We then talked about contract

1985
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,679
communication to our residents

1986
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:38,239
and we talked about what has been on the

1987
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:39,679
past and what we were doing moving

1988
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:41,520
forward. And as Mike alluded to, but we

1989
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,239
discussed it, it seems the sweet spot

1990
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:47,280
was two weeks. So, we all agreed on

1991
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,400
that. Um, I brought up Weber Hill

1992
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,400
traffic.

1993
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,560
That's in Ward 4. And some of the

1994
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,080
residents would like to see a no through

1995
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,600
traffic sign on West Watson for people

1996
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,640
that are turning from Highway 30 because

1997
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,280
they don't know after they've turned

1998
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,920
they don't know that it's no through

1999
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,560
traffic many times till they get to

2000
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,640
Weber Hill. So where are they going to

2001
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,880
go? They're either going to back up or

2002
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,360
going to go up Weber Hill. So I think

2003
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:25,360
it's important for that. Um on waste

2004
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,679
collection, we had a resident come and

2005
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:31,600
talk to us about his bad experiences

2006
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,800
with Eagle. Uh my experiences personally

2007
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,280
have been very good, but his were not.

2008
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,480
And he wanted us to consider a second

2009
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:43,600
vendor as well as getting options for

2010
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,320
two pickups a week as well as getting

2011
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:52,640
options for bulk pickup on demand. So,

2012
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,640
I've talked a little bit about that with

2013
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,520
Britney and we can discuss this if you

2014
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,080
all want to, but those were some of the

2015
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,320
points made there. And um that's about

2016
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,000
it. Thank you, Madame Mayor.

2017
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,400
>> Okay. Thank you very much. Moving on now

2018
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,040
to new business, bill number 149. Would

2019
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,719
you please read that for us, Alderman

2020
01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:15,120
Doss?

2021
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,750
>> It's on, Frank. [laughter]

2022
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,920
149, an ordinance approving and adopting

2023
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:26,239
a budget adjustment for the 2020 2026

2024
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:28,000
budget.

2025
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:33,110
Move to suspend the rules.

2026
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:33,840
» Second.

2027
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,080
>> Motion was made by Alderman Doss,

2028
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,040
seconded by Alderman Aikens to suspend

2029
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,600
the rules for bill number 149. Roll call

2030
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:42,719
vote, please.

2031
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:43,920
>> Alderman Daw,

2032
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:44,480
>> discussion.

2033
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,239
>> Oh, discussion. Alderman Freeman.

2034
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:49,440
>> This is budget adjustments. Um, why did

2035
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:50,640
the

2036
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,120
>> I'm sorry, Frank. [laughter]

2037
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,600
Why did the pension contribution rate

2038
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,480
increase?

2039
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:00,000
>> It changes every year.

2040
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,480
>> Okay. And is that a statutory? I Is it a

2041
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:06,719
statutory thing? Is it a formula thing?

2042
01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:08,080
>> It's a formula thing. It's based on the

2043
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,480
valuation of our plan and the age of our

2044
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:12,320
employees and it just changes every

2045
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:12,640
year.

2046
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,080
>> And who increases it?

2047
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,640
>> Loggers. Yes, ma'am.

2048
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,560
And how is there a loss on the cell

2049
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,719
phone tower? What is PV adjustment?

2050
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:23,760
>> Go ahead.

2051
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,120
>> Yeah. [clears throat]

2052
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,679
>> So, that is a present value adjustment

2053
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:30,025
that I had to do for our Sorry, I

2054
01:20:30,025 --> 01:20:31,120
[clears throat] lost my voice a couple

2055
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:34,080
days ago and I'm still recovering. Um,

2056
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,120
we have our cell tower lease with AT&T,

2057
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:37,520
>> right?

2058
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,320
>> And we receive checks from them every

2059
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,719
month. Well, they have a portion of

2060
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:45,920
those checks is for like dish revenue,

2061
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,000
and we were informed in February of this

2062
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,880
year that $550 that we got every month

2063
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,040
that was part of a rent check uh payment

2064
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,280
is no longer going to be continuing into

2065
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,840
the future. And this lease goes through

2066
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,520
2039, the beginning of 24th. So, I had

2067
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,760
to recalculate what the receivable is

2068
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,000
for that entire lease. And by doing

2069
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,239
that, by removing that 550 every month,

2070
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:10,960
that's the adjustment to get it to a new

2071
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:15,120
present value for for our balance sheet.

2072
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,159
>> Okay, that that's an asset though. I

2073
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:19,679
mean, that gets you to the asset.

2074
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:21,840
>> Setting liability is deferred income,

2075
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,480
>> right?

2076
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:25,120
>> Okay.

2077
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:25,840
>> Right. So,

2078
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,960
>> so we're going to get $550 less a month.

2079
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:29,679
>> Yes.

2080
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:32,880
>> Okay. That's just going to happen. Okay.

2081
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,480
But we had already showed it as an asset

2082
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:35,120
on the

2083
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,840
>> I had to reduce the asset the liability

2084
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,640
offsetting. That was the difference.

2085
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,320
>> Okay. And how about correcting the

2086
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,080
$25,000 correcting wage allocation?

2087
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:48,719
>> Yes, ma'am.

2088
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:50,960
>> On full-time aquatic.

2089
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,360
>> Yes, ma'am. Uh I would say that was just

2090
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,120
an error on my part. I had we had

2091
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,360
another employee that got added to the

2092
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,840
pool this last year and when I had their

2093
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,760
salaries the other employee had their

2094
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,719
salaries split between general and pool

2095
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,719
and I copied that formula down and then

2096
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:08,560
I discovered the error here. So that's

2097
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:09,920
correcting that error.

2098
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,280
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. We

2099
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,120
have a motion and a second to suspend

2100
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,800
the rules. Roll call vote, please.

2101
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,000
>> Alderman Dawze.

2102
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,800
>> I.

2103
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,719
>> Alderman Freriedman I.

2104
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:22,000
>> Alderman Wagel

2105
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:22,639
>> I.

2106
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:24,400
>> Alderman Columbbo. I

2107
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:25,760
>> Alderman Schwarz.

2108
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:26,320
>> I

2109
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:27,520
>> Alderman Davis.

2110
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:28,080
>> I

2111
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,360
>> Alderman Akens.

2112
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:30,080
>> I

2113
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,360
>> Alderman Fernandez.

2114
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:31,840
>> I

2115
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:32,880
>> Eight eyes's.

2116
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,480
>> Thank you. Alderman Daws, would you

2117
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:37,120
please read bill number 149 for a second

2118
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,360
reading?

2119
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,840
>> Bill number 149, an ordinance approving

2120
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,000
and adopting a budget adjustment for the

2121
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:48,400
2026 budget. Move to approve.

2122
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,360
>> Second.

2123
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,199
>> She was made by Alderman Daws, seconded

2124
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:53,600
by Alderman Davis. Roll call vote,

2125
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:54,320
please.

2126
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:55,679
>> Alderman Fernandez,

2127
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:56,560
>> I.

2128
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:57,760
>> Alderman Akens,

2129
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,639
>> I.

2130
01:22:58,639 --> 01:22:59,840
>> Alderman Davis,

2131
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:00,719
>> I.

2132
01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:02,000
>> Alderman Schwarz,

2133
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,000
>> I.

2134
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,360
>> Hi.

2135
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:06,080
>> Wigle.

2136
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:06,880
>> I.

2137
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,080
>> Alderman Freriedman.

2138
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:08,639
>> I.

2139
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:12,239
>> Alderman Daws. Eight eyes.

2140
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:19,750
>> Thank you,

2141
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:21,440
Mrs. Stone. I don't have the sheet to

2142
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:24,000
write that down on. So, we will have to

2143
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:24,400
uh

2144
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,480
>> I think it's 24. Let me look it up

2145
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:27,520
really quick, mayor. Sorry.

2146
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:28,960
>> Oh, wait a minute. It's hidden. I'm

2147
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:29,280
sorry.

2148
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:29,920
>> You get it?

2149
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,400
>> Yes. Bill number 149 becomes ordinance

2150
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,360
number 2428.

2151
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:36,159
>> Perfect.

2152
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,880
>> It's stuck under my agenda.

2153
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,960
Bill number 150. Would you please read

2154
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,840
that for us? Alderman Freriedman.

2155
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,320
>> Madame Mayor. Bill number 150, an

2156
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,480
ordinance amending various sections of

2157
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:50,719
the unified development ordinance

2158
01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:53,120
relating to recreational land use. First

2159
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,600
reading.

2160
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,120
>> Alderman Columbo.

2161
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,679
>> Yeah, I'd like to

2162
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:03,199
make a motion to amend that or

2163
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:04,719
it's in relation to the parking

2164
01:24:04,719 --> 01:24:07,679
requirement. Um, with the one per 200

2165
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:10,239
being too restrictive, one per 600 too

2166
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:11,840
liberal,

2167
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,520
I'd like to figure out a balance

2168
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,920
somewhere in there um that would be

2169
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,400
acceptable to all, whether that's one

2170
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:22,320
per 400, one per 350, or one per 300.

2171
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:31,990
Um, and if I go back off of my notes,

2172
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,440
you had a one per 400, a one per 480, a

2173
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:39,760
one per 335, a one per 700, a one per

2174
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,400
600.

2175
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,000
>> Um, at the other places that I sort of

2176
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,000
looked into that were similar. Um,

2177
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,560
I I don't know. I'm I'm I'm willing to

2178
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:53,120
hear from.

2179
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,440
>> Do you have any recommendations?

2180
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:56,880
>> I said during the public hearing I can

2181
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,800
look into it, but five per thousand is

2182
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,040
what I went with, but I gladly do, but I

2183
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,040
don't have another number like pocketed

2184
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:03,440
ready to go.

2185
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:04,880
>> Do you have a number you'd buy?

2186
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,360
>> I I

2187
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,360
mean, I don't know that one per 400

2188
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:10,880
might seem a little high, so maybe one

2189
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,360
per 350. I think that kind of splits it

2190
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,080
a little bit where it it's not so

2191
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,360
restrictive that will you know and what

2192
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,760
I go off of is

2193
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,320
like Spirit Gymnastics if if that if

2194
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,280
they were to try and do now

2195
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,040
what they've been doing with their

2196
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,080
14,000 square ft you know currently have

2197
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,320
27 spots and they're they are utilizing

2198
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,000
a couple of spots just random them

2199
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,000
around the back so say an extra five

2200
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,760
spots

2201
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,639
32 spots just by our ordinance, they'd

2202
01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:44,880
have to have 70 just for the gymnastics

2203
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,280
portion and then still provide for the

2204
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,600
other

2205
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,440
20,000 square feet of light and you know

2206
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:54,159
so it it gets really burdensome to try

2207
01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:56,320
and meet that threshold so that maybe

2208
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:04,629
one per 350 I mean it seems

2209
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:06,719
I'm sorry Fred

2210
01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:10,080
>> I don't want to interrupt you

2211
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:11,199
just wanted to hear what you had to

2212
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:11,840
safe. But

2213
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,960
>> do we Okay, if we did, how many parking

2214
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,920
spots are there right now? Can we get

2215
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,679
into some actual data?

2216
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:21,440
>> I think we should be very careful not to

2217
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:24,639
focus solely on one

2218
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:27,440
>> user while we're talking about amending

2219
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:28,480
as a whole for the whole thing.

2220
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,159
>> What you're saying could be very very

2221
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:33,360
reasonable. I just don't have a concept

2222
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,600
of what is reasonable. Well, and that's

2223
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:36,880
why I was trying to give examples that

2224
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,880
we currently have in those areas, you

2225
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,600
know, like Veta 60 spots and that's

2226
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,280
including, I believe, three handicap

2227
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:48,000
spots for 45 to 50,000 square feet. So,

2228
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,920
that's very they're they're above the

2229
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,120
one per 600, but I don't know that it's

2230
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,679
ever full or not full. I just you never

2231
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:58,320
hear anybody. May I f may I follow up

2232
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,679
with something just Okay. So listening

2233
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:03,440
to the gentleman in the previous

2234
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:05,199
meeting, I think I have a pretty good

2235
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:09,840
concept of what is being proposed.

2236
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,000
When I've gone to a facility like this

2237
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,280
in Denver with my grandchildren,

2238
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,639
there are various pitching components

2239
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:21,679
that are pretty much one onone with with

2240
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:23,760
the teacher and and and things. There's

2241
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,159
a catcher, of course.

2242
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:28,239
There is probably in the Denver place

2243
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,400
there were probably three or four maybe

2244
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,639
yeah three or four at the most batting

2245
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:34,159
stations.

2246
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:37,520
In those there might have been 10, 12,

2247
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,880
13, 14 kids and a number of instructed.

2248
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,800
Once they got into the cage they

2249
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,880
obviously swung but they worked with

2250
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,120
them out of the cage. So if you multiply

2251
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,000
that, there might have been between the

2252
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,760
pitching and the batting maybe

2253
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,280
40 50 kids there. I don't know how many

2254
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,120
parking spots that would require.

2255
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:02,719
Everything you're saying seems to make

2256
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:04,400
sense to me, but I [snorts] have no

2257
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,639
concept.

2258
01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:09,760
I if you go by the facility that they're

2259
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,800
currently sharing with another

2260
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,440
baseball group, right?

2261
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:17,760
They have 27 spots in front of that and

2262
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,280
that's next door to the basketball

2263
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,520
facility that my daughter goes to. So, I

2264
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,920
see the parking and they're not spilling

2265
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,800
into our basketball parking

2266
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,040
utilizing those spots. So, I'm

2267
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,719
comfortable. I mean, it's still going to

2268
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:32,560
require them

2269
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,280
40 spots, I believe, or 50 spots in that

2270
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:36,800
particular instance, which is way more

2271
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,080
than what we're requiring Spirit

2272
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,040
Gymnastics or Vetta to have per square

2273
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,400
foot. So, I that's why I think we just

2274
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,400
kind of balance it out and let Mike

2275
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,239
maybe verify some of the things that

2276
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:50,639
I've seen here, but I would move to

2277
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:52,960
amend the one per 350. And if it's too

2278
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,320
liberal, when we go to the second

2279
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:58,400
reading, we could change it.

2280
01:28:58,400 --> 01:28:59,760
>> Yeah. I think there's also other

2281
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,520
resources, right? So like there's other

2282
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,280
cities, they have these in their

2283
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:04,880
regulations. We can take a look at some

2284
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,000
other cities. There is just engineering

2285
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,679
transportation manuals that provide

2286
01:29:09,679 --> 01:29:12,320
numbers. So the IT parking generation

2287
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:13,679
manual, I think they're on their sixth

2288
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:15,520
edition. Let's see what they have. Let's

2289
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:19,199
see what other cities have. I mean, we can put one per three, but that's

2290
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:20,400
just what the draft ordinance will be in

2291
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,520
front of you. But I can always still

2292
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:23,199
come back with that information and I

2293
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:24,400
think answer some of these questions

2294
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,280
that we're talking about now.

2295
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,280
>> All right. So, do you want to continue

2296
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,520
tonight to amend it or do you want to

2297
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,679
wait until next month after more

2298
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:35,600
research has been completed?

2299
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,520
>> And I'd make a motion to amend now and

2300
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,719
then figure out if we went

2301
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:43,360
>> too too far one way or the other.

2302
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,000
>> Motion to amend to that number. Yes.

2303
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,120
Okay.

2304
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,080
>> Okay. There's a motion to amend bill

2305
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:54,080
number 150 to allow for parking one to

2306
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,840
350. one per 350 gross feet area.

2307
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:58,560
>> Have a second.

2308
01:29:58,560 --> 01:29:59,440
>> Yes.

2309
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:01,600
>> Alderman Schwarz made a second to that

2310
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,159
motion.

2311
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:02,880
>> Yes.

2312
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:07,590
>> To to the amendment.

2313
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:14,470
» Um roll call vote for the amendment.

2314
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:16,239
» Aldering Columbbo.

2315
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:17,199
>> That mean

2316
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:20,320
>> you Yes. Voting for the amendment.

2317
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,040
>> I couldn't hear. [laughter]

2318
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:27,440
>> Hi Davis Bernins

2319
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:28,080
>> I

2320
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:29,280
>> Alderman Fernandez

2321
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,239
>> I

2322
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:31,679
>> Alderman Wel

2323
01:30:31,679 --> 01:30:32,800
>> I

2324
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:34,480
>> Alderman Freriedman

2325
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:36,239
>> Alderman Daws

2326
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:37,280
>> eight eyes.

2327
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,600
>> So next month bill number 150 will be

2328
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,080
read as amended

2329
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,480
for the second reading. All right. Bill

2330
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:46,400
number 151. Will you please read that

2331
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,120
for us? Alderman Schwarz.

2332
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,000
Bill number 151, an ordinance amending

2333
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,400
various sections of the unified

2334
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,320
development ordinance relating to

2335
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,320
creating a senior living SL zoning

2336
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:04,000
district. First reading

2337
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,350
>> second

2338
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,000
a motion for the second reading is that

2339
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,030
>> yes

2340
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,679
can second my motion. I'd like to make a

2341
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:18,719
motion to um I know it's the first

2342
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:22,639
reading to uh ask staff to come back to

2343
01:31:22,639 --> 01:31:25,840
us with an option for

2344
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:29,199
looking at this as a use without having

2345
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:32,000
a senior living district that we could

2346
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,719
look at it side by side.

2347
01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:37,520
>> I would second that.

2348
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:42,063
>> And I I don't know if that I'll Okay.

2349
01:31:42,063 --> 01:31:43,360
[laughter] I was going to say you did.

2350
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:44,719
>> That's a good idea.

2351
01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:45,360
>> Okay.

2352
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,520
>> Second it should second.

2353
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,400
>> Doss did. Okay. There's a motion.

2354
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:51,360
>> Sorry.

2355
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,400
>> To uh ask staff to come back and ask for

2356
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,960
an option

2357
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:01,040
use without senior living.

2358
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,480
>> Did I rephrase that correctly? to to

2359
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:07,440
amend the UDO in such a way as to make

2360
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:10,320
the various nursing home planned

2361
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,590
retirement

2362
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,840
um permitted or conditional uses rather

2363
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,480
than establish an entire new zoning

2364
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:19,120
district.

2365
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,719
>> Mike, are you comfortable that that's

2366
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:22,320
not too big of a change? They would have

2367
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,080
to go back to planning and zoning.

2368
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,400
>> So, I understand I was I don't know if

2369
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:27,920
that's how the public hearing was

2370
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:29,760
actually advertised. If it just said

2371
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,560
senior living uses or the SL district,

2372
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,760
>> we would need to start over.

2373
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,600
>> But would it matter how it advertised?

2374
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:38,560
Because

2375
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,960
>> if it just

2376
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:42,880
>> I think it is I

2377
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:44,800
>> just because when I

2378
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,000
>> because if it's looking at that and it's

2379
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:52,719
not a timely issue. I mean

2380
01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:54,960
>> no no it's not a time you should want to

2381
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,040
follow the processes advertised

2382
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,080
appropriately.

2383
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,120
>> Yeah.

2384
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,239
I mean I think that is fairly different

2385
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:03,440
concept

2386
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:06,400
>> right and I think you're right

2387
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,600
>> yes so then we need updated motion to

2388
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:10,800
bring it back right

2389
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:11,760
>> so would we

2390
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,920
>> I would like to make a motion to remand

2391
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:15,840
this to public

2392
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,000
>> to planning and zoning that would

2393
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,480
include

2394
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:22,719
>> the option the the ordinance brought to

2395
01:33:22,719 --> 01:33:25,120
us today along with an optional

2396
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,800
ordinance that would uh present this as

2397
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:33,280
planned and conditional uses for

2398
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,440
>> in an existing district

2399
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:37,760
>> for retireing

2400
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,520
homes assisted.

2401
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:40,000
>> Yeah.

2402
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:40,480
>> Mhm.

2403
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:42,239
>> We already had a motion and a second.

2404
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:45,840
Are you withdrawing the first one?

2405
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:47,440
>> Yes.

2406
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:49,920
>> Okay. So, now we have another one.

2407
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,480
>> Do we have a second?

2408
01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:56,480
>> Yes. a motion and a second from Alderman

2409
01:33:56,480 --> 01:34:00,080
Donis. Um, would you like that read

2410
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,000
again so everyone understands please

2411
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,679
what they're voting on?

2412
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:07,760
>> Okay. [laughter] Cuz I'm like ah [gasps]

2413
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,000
I will I will try to rephrase this more

2414
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,159
artfully.

2415
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:16,080
I'm making a motion to remand

2416
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,440
this ordinance to planning and zoning

2417
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:22,480
and include with it a draft ordinance as

2418
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:25,360
an alternative that would present

2419
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,400
assisted retirement centers, nursing

2420
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,000
homes,

2421
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,159
and the other uses

2422
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:34,320
>> plan retirement care center. Yes, the

2423
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,560
four uses um as permitted or conditional

2424
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:43,280
uses in the commercial districts

2425
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,800
and any amendments, you know, if if

2426
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,920
section five needed to be amended to

2427
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,040
include that.

2428
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,280
>> Okay, we have a motion by Alderman

2429
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,800
Freriedman, a second by Alderman Daws.

2430
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,840
Uh roll call vote. May I ask a

2431
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:00,639
clarifying question?

2432
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:02,639
>> Yes, there discussion. Alderman Akens,

2433
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:04,639
>> I just want to clarify. You're asking

2434
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:06,159
for them to bring two different

2435
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:08,080
versions. Is that correct?

2436
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,000
>> Well, if you'd rather bring it to the

2437
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,400
board for discussion rather than I

2438
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,000
understand what you're saying.

2439
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,120
>> Yeah. It's just a little confusing to

2440
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,280
present two ordinances going through the

2441
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:20,960
public hearing process, but say you get

2442
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:22,880
to pick one. That's not okay. The

2443
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,199
standard. I I actually would prefer the

2444
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:27,679
idea of bringing it for a discussion and

2445
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:29,840
then you guys giving us direction from

2446
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:31,440
that point if which one you want to move

2447
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:33,280
forward with. I think that's a lot

2448
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:34,880
cleaner.

2449
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,199
>> Are you withdrawing are you withdrawing

2450
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:38,560
this ordinance and second?

2451
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:39,840
>> Is this the third time?

2452
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,480
>> Yes, madam. Yes, madame mayor. Yes,

2453
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:44,416
ma'am. [laughter]

2454
01:35:44,416 --> 01:35:44,960
[gasps]

2455
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,520
>> Okay. So, we're starting fresh now.

2456
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,960
>> Okay. to direct staff to bring to the

2457
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,920
board an alternative

2458
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,040
draft ordinance for consideration that

2459
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:00,080
would include making assisted

2460
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:04,560
retirement centers um nursing homes and

2461
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,280
planned retirements assisted living

2462
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,600
>> nursing homes and um

2463
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:10,560
>> rehabilitation

2464
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:11,600
>> planners

2465
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,040
>> center

2466
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:17,040
>> as permitted andor conditional uses in

2467
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,280
the general general

2468
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:20,000
the commercial district.

2469
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:20,880
>> Commercial

2470
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,800
>> unlimited commercial district.

2471
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,639
>> Thank you for destruction.

2472
01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:29,040
>> All right. Now, do we have a second?

2473
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,480
>> Yes, Madam Mayor.

2474
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:31,199
>> Thank you.

2475
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:33,679
>> Seconded the motion.

2476
01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:35,199
>> Okay.

2477
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:37,471
>> So, can I get some clarification?

2478
01:36:37,471 --> 01:36:38,320
[clears throat]

2479
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:39,360
>> Alderman Columbo.

2480
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:40,960
>> So, we just had a first reading of this

2481
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:41,679
bill.

2482
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:43,199
>> So, we'll still have a second reading of

2483
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:44,880
this bill next month.

2484
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:45,920
>> Is that correct?

2485
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,840
>> We don't have to. There's nothing that

2486
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,000
requires it go back on. So I would

2487
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,239
>> drawn their motions and their seconds,

2488
01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:54,239
>> right? So it's still alive.

2489
01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:56,159
>> Not this bill though. It's

2490
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:58,159
>> the bill is still alive. It does not

2491
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:00,320
have to be placed on the next agenda. So

2492
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,000
what we'll do is put both of these on

2493
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,080
for discussion and then if you guys

2494
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,080
choose to move forward with with the one

2495
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,159
that exists now, we can put that on for

2496
01:37:08,159 --> 01:37:11,360
second reading at the October meeting.

2497
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,360
If you choose to move forward with the

2498
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:14,639
one that allows permitted and

2499
01:37:14,639 --> 01:37:16,159
conditional uses within general

2500
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:18,480
commercial districts, that process will

2501
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:20,400
have to start over because it is too big

2502
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,400
of a change to say, "Hey, we've already

2503
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:23,920
advertised this as a public hearing

2504
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:25,520
because technically we have not." So,

2505
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,119
we'll start that process back over.

2506
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:30,639
It'll just pause bill 151 and it has to

2507
01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:32,159
go back through planning and zoning

2508
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:32,880
again. Yeah.

2509
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:33,679
>> Correct.

2510
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:35,600
>> Okay. All right. So, do you all

2511
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:38,880
understand what you're voting on?

2512
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:39,840
>> Oh, sure.

2513
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,400
>> Okay. Call vote.

2514
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:43,199
>> Freriedman.

2515
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:43,760
>> Hi.

2516
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:44,800
>> Alderman Daws.

2517
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:45,600
>> Hi.

2518
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:46,880
>> Alderman Andez.

2519
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:47,440
>> Hi.

2520
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:48,880
>> Alderman Aikens.

2521
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:49,679
>> Hi.

2522
01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:54,097
>> Alderman Davis.

2523
01:37:54,107 --> 01:37:55,600
[laughter]

2524
01:37:55,600 --> 01:38:00,070
>> Um. I

2525
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:01,760
» Aldrick Columbbo.

2526
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,400
>> Nay.

2527
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,040
>> I. [clears throat]

2528
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:10,400
>> Seven eyes. One. Nay.

2529
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:11,840
We'll put it on for discussion in

2530
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:13,280
September.

2531
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,600
>> All right. Moving on now for

2532
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,000
appointments. Peter Rodic, Parks and

2533
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,960
Recreation Commission, term to expire

2534
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:26,159
811 2031. That would be in Ward 3. Jill

2535
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,400
Aresky, Chairman, Parks and Recreation

2536
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:33,199
Commission, term to expire 1820.

2537
01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:35,280
And uh would you like to take these

2538
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,520
together or individually?

2539
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,440
>> Together.

2540
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:44,320
Um if you said the parks um ward I I

2541
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,840
missed it. I know Mr. Rodic is three

2542
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,960
>> is Jill Archeski is in Jill. She's

2543
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,320
already on. This is just the appointment

2544
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:53,840
of a chairman. This is not a new

2545
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:55,760
appointment. Yes, we lost our chairman.

2546
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,520
>> But there's been some confusion about

2547
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,960
wards. So she is she's W

2548
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,040
>> she's W two and already on the board. So

2549
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,560
it's not filling a vacancy or something.

2550
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,639
It's just filling the position that Doug

2551
01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:08,960
just left as chairman. She's taking over

2552
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,679
as chairman, but continuing her term on

2553
01:39:11,679 --> 01:39:15,040
parks and recreation.

2554
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,199
>> Okay, we have a motion to take them both

2555
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:19,280
together from Alderman Dawze. Is there a

2556
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:19,840
second?

2557
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:20,560
>> Second.

2558
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:22,719
>> Motion was made by Alderman Columbo. All

2559
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:24,159
in favor?

2560
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:27,119
>> I oppose. All right, we will notify them

2561
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:30,560
of their new jobs. Uh any items under

2562
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,199
general discussion?

2563
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:34,639
Alderman Freriedman.

2564
01:39:34,639 --> 01:39:38,960
>> Um yeah, actually a couple. Um the just

2565
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,119
to give an update on uh the steering

2566
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:44,320
committee um

2567
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,760
about the uh storm water and parks tax.

2568
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,800
Um first of all, we keep talking about

2569
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,719
Prop Ps

2570
01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:56,560
and we already have a Prop P fund. I I'd

2571
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:05,440
prefer we call this storm water or parks fund or SP but we

2572
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:08,880
isn't isn't it Prop P funds? Yeah. So

2573
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,800
>> So there's there will be confusion

2574
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:12,560
moving forward. I'm afraid there's

2575
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,400
already Prop Ps for the police

2576
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,040
department.

2577
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:20,560
>> Okay. But it is Prop Ps and it's just

2578
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,800
the second phase of it maybe.

2579
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,119
>> No, they're two very separate things.

2580
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:26,000
Prop P.

2581
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:30,080
>> Prop P doesn't stop. That is effective

2582
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,880
right now until next April.

2583
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,199
>> No, there are Prop funds

2584
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:36,480
>> account um the county

2585
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:39,199
>> fund number 15.

2586
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:41,119
>> You're talking about the funds that go

2587
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:41,760
to the police.

2588
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:42,719
>> Correct. The county.

2589
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:44,480
>> If we're going to be talking about Prop

2590
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:47,920
P, we'd have two Prop Ps. I just think

2591
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,840
calling

2592
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,480
the the storm water parks or park storm

2593
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:55,679
water a different thing might be

2594
01:40:55,679 --> 01:40:58,480
>> but it was passed as proposition P.

2595
01:40:58,480 --> 01:40:58,960
>> Okay.

2596
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:00,080
>> So,

2597
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:04,560
>> okay. So, we'll have two prop P funds.

2598
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,320
>> We call we've always labeled the it

2599
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,560
parks and stormwater fund on all of your

2600
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:09,440
account information.

2601
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:12,719
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, we met and we gathered

2602
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:15,119
a lot of information about the current

2603
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:17,040
we've met twice. uh current and

2604
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,440
historical uh funding of the parks and

2605
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:21,840
recreation department. And when we say

2606
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,880
that, we include pools. Um Natalie has

2607
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,719
taken two big unwieldy master plans and

2608
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:32,560
consolidated them into a workbook with

2609
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,600
um notes that help us to help us focus

2610
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:38,719
on um relative priorities between the

2611
01:41:38,719 --> 01:41:41,600
two plans. And Mark has met with Gerald

2612
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,159
to discuss his top Gerald's top

2613
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:47,520
priorities. So, thanks to um Britney and

2614
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,159
Jeff and Gerald for

2615
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:53,040
all of this advanced information. And a

2616
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,920
couple um things caught our attention.

2617
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,800
Um first, we need to get our arms around

2618
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,440
how parks is budgeted between the

2619
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:03,679
general fund, the capital fund, and the

2620
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:06,719
storm water tax dollars. From year to

2621
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:08,560
year, it appears that different line

2622
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,199
items of the budget are paid from

2623
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:14,159
different funds. And it seems to us that

2624
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:16,159
this should be evaluated and

2625
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:17,840
standardized.

2626
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:20,159
Second, as we were looking at this

2627
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:23,119
information, it it occurred that all of

2628
01:42:23,119 --> 01:42:25,840
this falls into the larger picture of

2629
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:30,639
funding priorities across the city. Um,

2630
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:34,719
you know, there were 30 or 32 people

2631
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:37,679
that that said their top priority in the

2632
01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:41,440
comments were sidewalks. So that that

2633
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:43,920
falls into you know kind of the larger

2634
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:47,920
city and the the best practice we think

2635
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,320
is to understand the obligations the

2636
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:54,159
city has on its books now in the form of

2637
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:57,280
existing assets particularly

2638
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,639
aging assets and assess the budgetary

2639
01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:03,360
needs that are going to be required to

2640
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,520
maintain them

2641
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:07,920
properly into the future. And the

2642
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,880
priority may well be to move some

2643
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:14,480
expenses from the general some some of

2644
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:16,719
the park expenses, traditional park

2645
01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:19,360
expenses from the general fund and the

2646
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:22,320
capital fund to the stormwater parks or

2647
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,679
park storm water tax bucket to give the

2648
01:43:25,679 --> 01:43:29,119
city greater flexibilities to address

2649
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:32,000
all of the priorities citywide.

2650
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,159
um and this would comport with the

2651
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:36,400
surveys finding that the highest scoring

2652
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:40,800
priority um is to focus over the next 20

2653
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,440
years on um maintenance and it's

2654
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:47,199
something that Mr. Dunl from Cochran um

2655
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:49,520
advocated when he made his presentation

2656
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,320
to the board. Um,

2657
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:56,000
so at this point it may be better it may

2658
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,679
be a better place for the finance

2659
01:43:57,679 --> 01:44:00,320
committee to look into these issues to

2660
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:03,440
evaluate and standardize how line items

2661
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:06,239
are paid from respective funds. assess

2662
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:09,119
the financial obligations of the city to

2663
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:13,520
maintaining existing assets and budget

2664
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,280
expenses

2665
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:18,080
um appropriately from each fund to

2666
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:21,280
achieve the most impactful um results

2667
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,679
and then we can understand then after

2668
01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:25,760
we've understood these existing

2669
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,719
obligations and funding for them explore

2670
01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:32,080
priorities across the city. Um, Alderman

2671
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:38,239
Fernandez is that something

2672
01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:39,119
that sounds

2673
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:40,000
>> very much so um

2674
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,840
>> within the wheelhouse of the finance

2675
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:42,400
committee?

2676
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:43,679
>> Yes. and they're very willing to do

2677
01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:45,199
that. Um, as part of the discussion we

2678
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:46,560
had at the last committee meeting is

2679
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,000
they're kind of asking what more can we

2680
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,440
do and this is an area of focus for

2681
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:51,360
everyone

2682
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:53,119
and I think from my lens it would be in

2683
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:54,960
conjunction with obviously the the

2684
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:56,159
finance department because they're going

2685
01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:57,440
to have the data and I think we're going

2686
01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:59,440
to need both some answers and maybe a

2687
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:03,520
collaboration through the whole group.

2688
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,880
>> Alderman Davis. So, how does all this

2689
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,920
meld together with our master plan that

2690
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:14,480
we approved a couple months ago?

2691
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:16,400
>> Well, I think I guess and I'll I'll go

2692
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,000
on record of clarifying when we approve

2693
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:19,920
the master plan as approving the plan,

2694
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:21,440
not any of those priorities underneath

2695
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:22,880
there is like that they were actually

2696
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:24,560
going to happen. So, that was part of

2697
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:26,080
the discussion we had is that we need to

2698
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,000
evaluate these what do they really cost?

2699
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,400
What do we have to the point of existing

2700
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:31,920
liabilities? in one example and that

2701
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,320
would be out of the dollars that we've

2702
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:36,560
learned kind of looking at these is

2703
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,880
portions of the storm water and parks

2704
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:40,960
dollars have been spent on things like

2705
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,199
salary not necessarily capital projects

2706
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:45,040
through time. So we need to evaluate

2707
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:46,560
what is that that are fixed costs we're

2708
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,239
already committed to. So when we look at

2709
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:49,840
the dollars we're have available they

2710
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,760
may not be as great as we think. We need

2711
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:52,880
to understand at least what that looks

2712
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:54,639
like going forward. So it's some of

2713
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:56,400
those things and and I appreciate the

2714
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,840
finance firm may know a lot of these

2715
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,360
answers already. It's a lot of us

2716
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:00,400
looking at it new and trying to

2717
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:01,600
understand how those things are laying

2718
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:02,880
out.

2719
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,600
>> So those things that are aging out that

2720
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,320
need replenished that will be very well

2721
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,000
considered. Right. I'm just thinking

2722
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,800
about the pool for example

2723
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,520
because the so we have so many citizens

2724
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,040
that really absolutely would just go

2725
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:21,920
berserko if we took away their lazy

2726
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:23,679
river opportunity.

2727
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:25,679
>> Well and I think again from our lens

2728
01:46:25,679 --> 01:46:27,040
it's sort of what are we committed to

2729
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,199
already? Um and obviously since this

2730
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:31,679
whole one um came about we've committed

2731
01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:33,199
a lot more to parts over time. So we

2732
01:46:33,199 --> 01:46:35,600
need to understand that along with then

2733
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:37,040
how do we think about adding new after

2734
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,119
that like what actually do we have at

2735
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:41,040
our disposal to do that and on what

2736
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:42,159
timeline I think that's the other part

2737
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:44,000
and I think is you know you guys know

2738
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,280
way better than we do on some of the

2739
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:46,960
infrastructure even buildings like those

2740
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:48,800
are massive projects that we may need to

2741
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:49,360
do.

2742
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:51,280
>> So can we put in trolleys that take us

2743
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,679
from park to park to park?

2744
01:46:53,679 --> 01:46:55,119
>> One in Delmar we could look into

2745
01:46:55,119 --> 01:46:56,800
probably. I know it

2746
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:58,800
>> might be for sale. Yeah,

2747
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,038
>> horseback.

2748
01:47:01,038 --> 01:47:01,679
[laughter]

2749
01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:04,880
I would like to make a comment. Um I'm

2750
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:06,239
excited to hear that there were that

2751
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:07,679
many comments about sidewalks because

2752
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:08,960
most of you sitting up here have known

2753
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:12,400
that that's one of my big priorities. So

2754
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:14,719
I'm excited to work with Brian about

2755
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:16,400
spending some money on sidewalks in

2756
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:17,840
these upcoming years.

2757
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:18,719
>> I believe there may be a

2758
01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:21,119
misunderstanding and 32 is not exactly a

2759
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:23,840
sampling size. Um but we're very willing

2760
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,760
to look at all priorities. I'd like to

2761
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:26,000
add

2762
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:27,760
>> that to the agenda for the next public

2763
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,800
works meeting, please.

2764
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:33,280
>> Well, and I think what it gets down to

2765
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:36,400
is what we're trying to say is

2766
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,600
everybody wants their lazy river pool

2767
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,000
and that's great and everybody wants

2768
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,560
sidewalks and a lot of people want

2769
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:48,080
things and they they probably can't have

2770
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,560
them all. we have to priorities at this

2771
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,920
time. we do have a pool that is in use

2772
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,520
and we want to maintain and what's that

2773
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:00,000
going to cost into the future and is

2774
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:04,880
that where is the priority and that's

2775
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:08,400
kind of where we think the finance

2776
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,840
committee can do a deeper dive and

2777
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,880
understand the existing obligations

2778
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:22,239
before we go out and add more assets and financial obligations.

2779
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:24,239
And I concur to that end. It's something

2780
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:26,800
we haven't really put that work into

2781
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,080
some of the things in the past that we

2782
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,000
certainly could and being a board member

2783
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,840
up here when you know knowing we're

2784
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,520
asked to do things without having as

2785
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,520
much information by nobody's fault. It's

2786
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,199
just this is the biggest thing I think

2787
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:39,199
we've seen in front of us and I'd go

2788
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:41,520
back to cyworks sidewalks versus like

2789
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:42,880
roads that we know maybe need some

2790
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:44,639
attention that we haven't dealt with. We

2791
01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:46,080
don't really I don't have a really good

2792
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:47,280
handle on that. So, as the finance

2793
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,199
committee helping advise this group, I

2794
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:50,480
know we could do a better job than what

2795
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:52,080
we've done so far.

2796
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,320
>> So, when is our budgeting committee

2797
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,960
meeting occurring that we're

2798
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,239
>> fourth fourth Tuesday in September?

2799
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:02,000
>> Fourth Tuesday in September.

2800
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:10,550
>> Fourth Tuesday. Okay. Thank you.

2801
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,800
» I can [snorts] I can add one comment.

2802
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:15,600
Marian, I've met with Gerald or Mr.

2803
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:17,679
Brown and uh I don't think we either one

2804
01:49:17,679 --> 01:49:20,000
of us have uh had any discussion about

2805
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,560
taking away the lazy river.

2806
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:27,510
>> That is good news. [laughter]

2807
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,760
» Thank you.

2808
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:31,280
>> Any other comments for general

2809
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:32,719
discussion?

2810
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:35,520
>> Alderman Freriedman. Um, as we were

2811
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:37,760
looking through,

2812
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:40,560
you know, these budgetary items, it came

2813
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,760
to our attention that there is, um, a

2814
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:47,360
lease on the building at Watson Trails

2815
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:52,239
and the lease was entered into in 2019

2816
01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:55,760
for 2 years and it's renewable.

2817
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:58,560
Um, subsequent to that time, uh, there

2818
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:02,000
was an ordinance passed that any lease

2819
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,760
has to be, um, approved by ordinance,

2820
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,760
and this has not come up before the

2821
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,960
board. Um, I I don't know a whole lot

2822
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,679
about the lease. It's two pages. It

2823
01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:16,000
doesn't look very leasy. I'm not sure

2824
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:20,400
who signed it and it may be the best

2825
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:26,239
idea in the world, but I don't think it doesn't address the kind of things

2826
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:28,159
that we saw when we went through the

2827
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:34,719
BMX. Um, so I' I'd like to ask Aaron to

2828
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:37,600
take a look at the lease and, you know,

2829
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:40,800
I don't know if, you know, I don't know

2830
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:45,119
whether to put Aaron on it first or have

2831
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:47,840
staff kind of outline to us what's

2832
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,520
really happening behind the lease. Um,

2833
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,800
but I think I think it's incumbent on

2834
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:57,280
us. there's a city asset that's being

2835
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:01,199
leased that I didn't know about and I've

2836
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:04,239
asked specifically a lot about leases.

2837
01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:08,400
So, I I'd like to understand this and if

2838
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,280
we're, you know, and and get it into a

2839
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:14,550
proper

2840
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:20,639
document that um protects the city there. There's

2841
01:51:20,639 --> 01:51:26,149
no cross insurance in it. Um,

2842
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:27,840
so I'd like to understand that better

2843
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:29,679
and I'd like to direct I don't know if

2844
01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:31,440
the starting point is Aaron looking at

2845
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:34,480
it or if the starting point is staff ex

2846
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:37,040
you know explaining this you know how

2847
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:40,960
this operates in real in the real world.

2848
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,520
I I can't speak to what happened in

2849
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:47,119
2019. Um but the Open Space Council is a

2850
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:48,800
nonprofit organization. They have been

2851
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:50,560
renting a room at our park maintenance

2852
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:53,840
facility since 2019.

2853
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:56,159
We have treated it like a like a room

2854
01:51:56,159 --> 01:51:58,239
rental at the community center. Um, and

2855
01:51:58,239 --> 01:52:00,400
I I do understand what the paperwork

2856
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,639
says, but that's that's how it's been

2857
01:52:02,639 --> 01:52:04,320
treated historically. We can certainly

2858
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,080
move forward with something more formal.

2859
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:07,760
And at that point, yes, I would

2860
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:09,280
recommend getting our city attorney

2861
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:13,189
involved.

2862
01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:14,639
» Are you finished?

2863
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:15,760
>> Well, I don't know.

2864
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:17,599
>> Oh, no. I I'm asking, are you finished?

2865
01:52:17,599 --> 01:52:18,560
Alderman Freeman,

2866
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:20,960
>> hear what Alderman has to say. Say it

2867
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:23,440
with your big booming voice, Fred.

2868
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:26,880
>> Microphone's still on. Um, we passed an

2869
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:30,080
ordinance on leases

2870
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:31,920
that the finance committee would review

2871
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:35,040
before the city signed them. And I don't

2872
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:37,920
know what has happened between 2019 and

2873
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,520
today. And I'm not going to try to go

2874
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:42,000
down that road and point fingers, but I

2875
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:43,599
would like to see the finance committee

2876
01:52:43,599 --> 01:52:47,199
review this lease.

2877
01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:49,040
From the financial perspective, yes, but

2878
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:50,960
also support from the legal having gone

2879
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:52,800
through this prior with BMX as you

2880
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:54,480
noted. Yeah, certainly to understand

2881
01:52:54,480 --> 01:52:56,880
what it is and financially whether it's

2882
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:58,239
again know our role was to look at it,

2883
01:52:58,239 --> 01:52:59,760
make sure it feasibly made sense from

2884
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,040
that and we weren't giving something

2885
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:03,199
away. So, kind of a different lens.

2886
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:05,440
>> Is this an lease that just runs forever

2887
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:07,599
or did it have a termination date on it?

2888
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:09,040
>> I believe it said there was a two-year

2889
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:11,119
option, but it's been just roll. So

2890
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:13,760
you're you're just handling it like a a

2891
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,520
leased room at the community center,

2892
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,040
>> a rented room at the community center.

2893
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,199
The income goes into community center

2894
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:21,360
revenue. It is handled exactly like

2895
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:23,760
that. But I it is continuous and it

2896
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:25,440
would not hurt to have our city attorney

2897
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:27,280
take a look at it. And then yes, it

2898
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:29,199
would now follow the process of a lease

2899
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:32,880
space which was done after 2019 which is

2900
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:35,040
why I assume that it did not go through

2901
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:36,320
that process then

2902
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:38,639
>> but it will in the future take care of

2903
01:53:38,639 --> 01:53:38,960
that.

2904
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:39,760
>> Yeah. I

2905
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:41,119
>> I would like to make sure they have

2906
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:42,480
insurance and that, you know, we're

2907
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:43,679
covered if something would happen

2908
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:46,239
because that's a could be a liability.

2909
01:53:46,239 --> 01:53:48,400
>> Okay. If they continue to lease or if

2910
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,040
they're just renting the room like they

2911
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:52,719
do at the community center, do they need

2912
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:53,599
insurance?

2913
01:53:53,599 --> 01:53:54,880
>> If they're renting a room at the

2914
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,119
community center, they do not. But if we

2915
01:53:57,119 --> 01:53:59,440
do, if we move forward with a lease in

2916
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:01,679
our park maintenance building, yes, we

2917
01:54:01,679 --> 01:54:03,440
would recommend there would be insurance

2918
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:04,800
within the lease.

2919
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:07,199
>> Okay, we'll take care of that. Any other

2920
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:11,430
general discussion items?

2921
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:13,344
» Somebody just raised their hand.

2922
01:54:13,344 --> 01:54:14,080
[laughter]

2923
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:15,679
>> Does anybody else have anything?

2924
01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:16,719
>> Alderman Freriedman.

2925
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:18,400
>> Yeah.

2926
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:22,159
Also in the course of uh of looking into

2927
01:54:22,159 --> 01:54:23,760
you know doing due diligence for the

2928
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:26,400
steering committee, I wanted to go back

2929
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:30,880
and um hear the and review the meetings

2930
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:35,599
for the parks um department and

2931
01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:37,840
the finance department, planning and

2932
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:41,280
zoning, the public works department all

2933
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:43,280
have meetings that are accessible by

2934
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:47,119
Zoom and they're recorded. And you know,

2935
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:51,599
last year we had $5.6 million out of $13

2936
01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:54,960
million of the city budget spent on

2937
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:58,800
parks. And there's nothing on they're

2938
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:00,480
not it's not recorded. It's not

2939
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:03,199
accessible to the public. And [snorts] I

2940
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:06,960
I'd like to um make a motion that moving

2941
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:10,480
forward all parks and recrecks um

2942
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:14,960
meetings be held with a Zoom option and

2943
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:17,760
with the meeting recorded so that it is

2944
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,320
um available on the website, you know,

2945
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,960
as a matter of transparency like we do

2946
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,360
with all of our other committees.

2947
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,360
Alderman Akens.

2948
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,599
As a member of the parks committee, I

2949
01:55:29,599 --> 01:55:31,360
just want to say that we often meet at

2950
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,760
the parks and we walk through them and I

2951
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,679
think that's a very important thing that

2952
01:55:35,679 --> 01:55:38,560
we do and during those meetings I don't

2953
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,639
know how it would be possible to record

2954
01:55:40,639 --> 01:55:42,400
those and have a zoom but otherwise when

2955
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:44,400
we meet here that that makes sense to

2956
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,560
>> well the the agenda items can be

2957
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:51,360
discussed in chambers and then and then

2958
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:53,760
the um and I think it is important for

2959
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:56,400
the committee members to to walk the

2960
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:58,639
parks But I don't think they're mutually

2961
01:55:58,639 --> 01:56:04,239
exclusive. And for, you know, 42 43% of

2962
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:09,199
our budget to be spent and and we can't

2963
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:11,040
hear what's going on in that committee.

2964
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:13,440
I think I think we can improve upon

2965
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:16,159
that. So, I would make a motion that

2966
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:20,070
parks

2967
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:22,159
conduct meetings that are accessible by

2968
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:25,199
Zoom and um

2969
01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:27,920
uh posted on the web recorded and posted

2970
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:29,840
on the website.

2971
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:31,599
>> Alderman Columbo.

2972
01:56:31,599 --> 01:56:33,440
>> So, I'm I'm curious how that works when

2973
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,239
they meet at Minihaha

2974
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:38,239
to to do their meeting and walk.

2975
01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:39,760
>> They start their meeting here and then

2976
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:41,679
they go to Minihaha.

2977
01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:43,440
You know, I

2978
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:44,800
>> statistically it doesn't make a lot of

2979
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:45,199
sense.

2980
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:47,360
>> Well, how often does that happen?

2981
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:50,000
>> Minutes. It's good weather. We a lot in

2982
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:50,560
the summer.

2983
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:52,960
>> Here, the park complex, Minihaha, Watson

2984
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:53,440
Trails,

2985
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:54,480
>> and at the pool,

2986
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:56,400
>> Windstone.

2987
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:58,320
>> Yeah, we really only meet here like in

2988
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:01,280
the winter. And we have meeting minutes

2989
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:02,560
and I think we're happy to record it

2990
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,400
when we're here, but I think the park

2991
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:06,320
committee being in the parks is very

2992
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:06,960
important

2993
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:08,719
>> and Gerald records the minutes at every

2994
01:57:08,719 --> 01:57:10,719
meeting. And we don't

2995
01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:12,719
>> I I've just I mean having been on it for

2996
01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:14,080
5 years, I don't think you're missing

2997
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:15,360
anything.

2998
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:22,629
>> Oh, [laughter] I'm missing something.

2999
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:24,880
» I understand that we go that our

3000
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:26,880
committee goes to parks and wants to

3001
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,119
review maintenance or potential

3002
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:32,560
improvements. That makes a lot of sense.

3003
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,840
But I don't know if you're meeting at a

3004
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:38,719
park in a

3005
01:57:38,719 --> 01:57:41,360
pavilion or whatever, you can certainly

3006
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:44,400
come back and meet here or

3007
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:47,199
decisions of spending money or proposals

3008
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:49,199
could be then tabled to the next meeting

3009
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:52,320
when you're in chambers.

3010
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,599
We, you know, the logistics of of the

3011
01:57:55,599 --> 01:57:59,199
park. I understand that that's not

3012
01:57:59,199 --> 01:58:00,400
something that I have to worry about

3013
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:03,520
with public works, but that's a logistic

3014
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:06,480
issue that you have to work around in

3015
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:08,080
order to communicate. We've heard the

3016
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:11,440
word here tonight,

3017
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:14,480
the word transparency,

3018
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:18,320
that we want a transparent city. Well,

3019
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:21,520
when it comes to the parks committee,

3020
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,239
without the minutes, without recording,

3021
01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:25,679
without anything,

3022
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:26,400
>> we have minutes.

3023
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,080
>> There are minutes. Sorry.

3024
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:31,040
>> Well, I'm just saying I'm not seeing I'm

3025
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:33,520
not seeing the transparency that we have

3026
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:35,360
in other committees

3027
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,440
>> and the public is welcome to every

3028
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:38,719
single meeting.

3029
01:58:38,719 --> 01:58:40,800
>> Well, Greg, if we made that, then we

3030
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:44,080
don't really need to record public works

3031
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,520
either. They're welcome to every

3032
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,760
meeting. I mean, the meetings are open

3033
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:48,880
to everybody,

3034
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:50,400
>> not public works because they're not

3035
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:51,840
held in person.

3036
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:53,599
>> So, it would be impossible. And we could

3037
01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:54,800
switch that,

3038
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:55,440
>> of course.

3039
01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:57,760
>> How about if at all possible, Mr. Brown,

3040
01:58:57,760 --> 01:58:59,280
would this be possible when you have a

3041
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:01,360
meeting here in the wintertime, you

3042
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:03,679
offer it to Zoom to anyone and then when

3043
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:05,520
you go out in the field at parks or the

3044
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:09,520
pool advisory or whatever that you just

3045
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:11,520
say that in the meeting, say we're being

3046
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:14,400
excused now to go look at this park or

3047
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:17,599
that park or whatever. And I mean I I

3048
01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:21,280
was on parks for what 24 years and I

3049
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:23,280
mean we were always out in the field

3050
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:24,800
looking at things. Mhm.

3051
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:28,239
>> We would maybe discuss things first and

3052
01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:31,040
then go out or else go out when the

3053
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:32,800
light was still the sun was still out

3054
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:34,239
and then come back here and discuss

3055
01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:35,840
things.

3056
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:39,440
But I don't know how you'd run the Zoom.

3057
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:40,400
Um

3058
01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:41,199
>> how can you not

3059
01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:42,880
>> because

3060
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:44,960
well with everyone talking how would

3061
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:46,480
they all have their microphones and

3062
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:48,239
everything?

3063
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:51,119
>> I mean I I think we could do this. I

3064
01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:53,199
could record it at a park. I mean I

3065
01:59:53,199 --> 01:59:54,719
don't know about Zoom. I mean, I could

3066
01:59:54,719 --> 01:59:56,239
record it and then

3067
01:59:56,239 --> 01:59:57,920
>> again, I don't know our system. If I

3068
01:59:57,920 --> 01:59:59,599
could put a recording on there from what

3069
01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:02,000
takes place, um the business that we

3070
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,880
have like in a shelter,

3071
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:06,000
I'm guessing.

3072
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,119
>> Also wondering how much you're going to

3073
02:00:07,119 --> 02:00:08,880
be able to hear people because often,

3074
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:09,280
you know,

3075
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:10,639
>> yeah, they're not each going to have a

3076
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:11,679
microphone like this.

3077
02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:13,679
>> We've got nine microphones here and

3078
02:00:13,679 --> 02:00:16,239
there's nine people on parks and Gerald

3079
02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:19,520
could use that microphone. I think we I

3080
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:23,119
and I I think we can do better. And for

3081
02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:25,440
instance, one of the things I wanted to

3082
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:28,000
see was the you know, we had a

3083
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:34,400
stakeholders meeting and that was the parks committee met to review the

3084
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:38,239
parks master plan. So I went to listen

3085
02:00:38,239 --> 02:00:40,159
to the minutes and they they weren't

3086
02:00:40,159 --> 02:00:41,520
there. I read the minutes and the

3087
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:45,119
minutes said that Gary C um I'm sorry,

3088
02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:47,280
Mr. Dunl appeared and made a

3089
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:49,679
presentation. it doesn't reflect any

3090
02:00:49,679 --> 02:00:54,560
discussion that was made or questions or

3091
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:57,199
you know and I think that that would

3092
02:00:57,199 --> 02:00:59,760
have been helpful for me to understand.

3093
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:03,378
So my motion stands.

3094
02:01:03,378 --> 02:01:03,760
[snorts]

3095
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:07,679
>> Okay. And you have um Alderman Akens who

3096
02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:10,480
attend who's on parks and she can

3097
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:12,880
probably answer any question that you

3098
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:15,760
want to know from the parks meeting.

3099
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:17,599
>> Yes.

3100
02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:22,000
and she's on the steering committee. So,

3101
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,239
>> believe it or not, I listen to a lot of

3102
02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:25,920
recordings

3103
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:29,440
and and I can't listen to any of those

3104
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:33,520
and that is last year it was 42% of our

3105
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:36,790
budget.

3106
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:40,000
» I would second the motion.

3107
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:43,679
>> Okay, you're seconding the motion for

3108
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:46,719
Can we repeat the motion? Oh,

3109
02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:47,599
>> are you

3110
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:49,440
>> from what we're voting for?

3111
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:50,880
>> You're taking people out of the parks.

3112
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:51,920
Do you realize that? I just

3113
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:54,239
>> No, I'm What I'm What I'm proposing

3114
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:56,560
>> roll call and people can vote no or vote

3115
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:57,040
yes.

3116
02:01:57,040 --> 02:01:58,159
>> Yeah.

3117
02:01:58,159 --> 02:02:01,760
>> I'm proposing that the parks committee

3118
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:05,440
record and give detailed minutes of

3119
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:07,199
their meetings

3120
02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:09,840
moving forward. And I think if that

3121
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:12,800
means that you have to

3122
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,760
we don't have a big city. If you have to

3123
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:17,679
go to a park and then come here to

3124
02:02:17,679 --> 02:02:20,400
actually have your meeting, I don't

3125
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:23,040
think that is a big

3126
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:24,639
problem.

3127
02:02:24,639 --> 02:02:25,840
Is it

3128
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:27,679
>> our part of our meeting

3129
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:28,960
>> from the point of view of people that

3130
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,280
have been serving on it that have that

3131
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:32,880
meet at parks and walk through them

3132
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:34,480
rather than meet here, hold a meeting,

3133
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:37,119
now leave, go to a park. Do we adjourn

3134
02:02:37,119 --> 02:02:38,560
the meeting? Do we have to come back to

3135
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:42,560
adjourn? I just I think you guys

3136
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:43,440
>> part of our meeting

3137
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:45,440
>> a logistical problem overburdensome and

3138
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:46,719
you're going to find people don't want

3139
02:02:46,719 --> 02:02:48,080
to serve if they have to keep coming

3140
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:50,239
here instead of being in the parks. So

3141
02:02:50,239 --> 02:02:51,679
you're going to probably lose some

3142
02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:53,360
committee members. It would be my guess.

3143
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:55,199
>> And the meeting continues when we're at

3144
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:56,800
the park, right? We're walking around.

3145
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,239
We're looking at things. So it doesn't

3146
02:02:58,239 --> 02:02:58,960
just end

3147
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:01,040
>> not adjourn and then go continue to

3148
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:06,629
conduct business elsewhere. Alderman

3149
02:03:06,639 --> 02:03:07,199
Fernandez,

3150
02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:08,960
>> I just have a logistical legal question.

3151
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:10,719
So, is it a requirement of the

3152
02:03:10,719 --> 02:03:12,880
committees to be recorded or to be or

3153
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:14,400
open to the public like every other

3154
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:15,920
>> requirement to have minutes post an

3155
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:17,520
agenda? It is not a requirement to be

3156
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:18,239
recorded.

3157
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:20,159
>> I just thought it was a good practice of

3158
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:22,320
transparency.

3159
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:24,560
>> Me, too.

3160
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:26,880
>> So, how many of us have actually read

3161
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:30,719
the master plan that we approved?

3162
02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:32,639
Have we all read it? And were there

3163
02:03:32,639 --> 02:03:34,320
questions still that needed to be

3164
02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:36,800
answered that we now need to think about

3165
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:40,159
over the next couple of years?

3166
02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:42,719
I mean, like our art committee, we have

3167
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:45,040
anyone's welcome to come. We have the

3168
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:47,119
minutes written down, but there's a lot

3169
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:48,880
of discussion that I don't even know how

3170
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:51,199
you would put it down and just let

3171
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:54,159
people hear because a lot of it is and

3172
02:03:54,159 --> 02:03:56,239
>> and that's what we record.

3173
02:03:56,239 --> 02:04:04,870
>> Okay.

3174
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:05,199
All right,

3175
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:07,040
>> we have a motion and a second. We have a

3176
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:08,639
motion and a second. Do you all

3177
02:04:08,639 --> 02:04:09,920
understand what you're voting on or do

3178
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:13,589
you want the motion read?

3179
02:04:13,599 --> 02:04:16,320
» Well, I think Alderman Dos's

3180
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:18,800
interpretation and Alderman Freriedman's

3181
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:21,199
interpretation are

3182
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:23,679
I'm not clear as to which one I I would

3183
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:25,199
be voting on.

3184
02:04:25,199 --> 02:04:27,280
>> Okay. So, could we have the motion read

3185
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:28,960
again, Mrs. Stone.

3186
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:31,440
>> Uh, the motion that I wrote down was

3187
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:38,070
>> use your microphone, please.

3188
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:42,159
» Available via Zoom. That's what I

3189
02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:43,599
>> All right. Is that the second?

3190
02:04:43,599 --> 02:04:44,960
>> No. No,

3191
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:46,639
>> that that was not the motion.

3192
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:48,719
>> Okay. So the motion was to for their

3193
02:04:48,719 --> 02:04:54,880
meetings to be in chambers or in the meeting place

3194
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,360
available via Zoom and with the

3195
02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:01,840
recording posted on on the website as

3196
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:03,360
the other committee [clears throat]

3197
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:06,080
meetings the the other committee

3198
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:11,669
recordings are posted.

3199
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:14,480
» Yes.

3200
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:16,639
>> Is that the um motion? That's my

3201
02:05:16,639 --> 02:05:17,599
understanding as well.

3202
02:05:17,599 --> 02:05:18,960
>> And you're going to second that. I

3203
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:19,440
second that.

3204
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:20,800
>> So a motion was made by Alderman

3205
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:24,560
Friedman, seconded by Alderman Doss.

3206
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:27,199
>> Do we want to do a roll call vote? Let's

3207
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:32,790
do a roll call vote. Mrs. Stone, please.

3208
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:34,552
» Nay.

3209
02:05:34,552 --> 02:05:35,920
[clears throat]

3210
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:48,719
>> Nay.

3211
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:50,320
>> Alderman.

3212
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:52,239
>> Hi.

3213
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:53,440
>> Alderman Friedman.

3214
02:05:53,440 --> 02:06:02,390
>> I [snorts] also

3215
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:05,280
» Okay. Motion fails.

3216
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:07,119
All right. Any other items under general

3217
02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:09,679
discussion?

3218
02:06:09,679 --> 02:06:10,960
>> Alderman Fernandez.

3219
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:12,960
>> This is Thank you, Madam Probably out of

3220
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:16,400
order. Um, knowing that that did not

3221
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:17,840
pass, I would ask though that the

3222
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:20,000
committee does a much deeper thorough

3223
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:21,599
job on the minutes potentially if that's

3224
02:06:21,599 --> 02:06:23,040
been an issue where we can't discern

3225
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:24,880
some of the information and especially

3226
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:26,159
like presentations and any of the

3227
02:06:26,159 --> 02:06:27,840
dialogue.

3228
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:29,360
>> Yes, I I can cover that.

3229
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:31,040
>> The past I mean Gerald gets the minutes

3230
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:32,639
out the next morning, right? So, they're

3231
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:34,639
fresh, they're concise, and they're spot

3232
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:35,119
on.

3233
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:36,480
>> I've never read them, so I don't that

3234
02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:38,639
should not be an indictment uh at all.

3235
02:06:38,639 --> 02:06:40,639
So, but if if that were an issue or has

3236
02:06:40,639 --> 02:06:42,400
been an issue, I would like to see that.

3237
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:43,679
>> Yeah. and I

3238
02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:46,400
>> the next day and he asked if there's any

3239
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:50,560
correction corrections or additions. So

3240
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:51,440
al all

3241
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:53,920
>> I'll just add when we do meet here I am

3242
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:55,920
in favor of recording when we can. I

3243
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:56,960
just don't want to take the parks

3244
02:06:56,960 --> 02:07:00,000
committee out out of the parks

3245
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:03,360
>> and I will add I mean we have had zoom

3246
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:05,599
for several of the meetings over the

3247
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:07,280
last couple of years. I I mean I know

3248
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:09,360
that but I don't know what the special

3249
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:11,920
occasion was why we used it but there

3250
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:13,840
were times whether it was the park

3251
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:15,280
master plan which obviously it wasn't

3252
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:17,920
cuz Kathy would have known but I know

3253
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:21,199
we've had some. So

3254
02:07:21,199 --> 02:07:23,199
that's the case. May I make a motion

3255
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:27,679
that any um parks meetings that are held

3256
02:07:27,679 --> 02:07:33,119
um indoors be available via Zoom and

3257
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:35,599
recorded and with the recording posted

3258
02:07:35,599 --> 02:07:38,880
on the city website.

3259
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:40,560
>> That could work.

3260
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:42,079
>> Can we be specific to here in the

3261
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:43,599
chamber? We do meet other places that

3262
02:07:43,599 --> 02:07:45,280
are indoors that might not you might not

3263
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:46,320
be able to hear us where we don't have

3264
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:48,960
microphones

3265
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:52,159
>> and we we always record our minutes.

3266
02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:54,320
Those can be how do you how do you

3267
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:56,400
handle that when it's not verbal? It's

3268
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:58,480
just written. So what do we do? How do

3269
02:07:58,480 --> 02:08:01,920
we place that in the public's hands

3270
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:02,960
>> on the website?

3271
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:04,800
>> Posted on the website.

3272
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:06,079
>> So those can be posted

3273
02:08:06,079 --> 02:08:07,920
>> and that's the way they're always

3274
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:09,920
>> there. any questions that come up at the

3275
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:12,560
next meeting then we can rectify it in

3276
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:15,040
some way

3277
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:19,360
>> because we always have we always um do

3278
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:21,520
written minutes there's always someone

3279
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:24,320
taking minutes

3280
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:26,159
>> so are the meetings that are held

3281
02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:28,639
indoors can they be held somewhere where

3282
02:08:28,639 --> 02:08:31,360
we have the zoom capability and or are

3283
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:33,599
there locations that you go to

3284
02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:35,760
>> this is the only room that we have the

3285
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:38,400
zoom room within um the public works

3286
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:40,079
committee. We typically use a laptop

3287
02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:43,199
which isn't great but we make it work.

3288
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:44,560
But this is the only room that has that

3289
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:46,880
Zoom room capability.

3290
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,280
>> What are we doing for finance?

3291
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:50,800
>> Finance. I'm sorry. Did I say public

3292
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:53,520
works? We're always I apologize. Finance

3293
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:54,960
is when we're in the public works.

3294
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:57,440
That's why we're in the public works um

3295
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:59,280
conference room and that's where we use

3296
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:01,920
a laptop which again not not great and I

3297
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:03,920
know sometimes the the sound isn't great

3298
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:06,480
but we make it work. Um, we don't have

3299
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:12,310
that capability in other spaces.

3300
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:15,040
» Did you make a motion?

3301
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:15,920
>> Did you make it?

3302
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:16,560
>> I did.

3303
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:18,079
>> Okay, I'll second her. K.

3304
02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:19,679
>> A motion was made by Alderman

3305
02:09:19,679 --> 02:09:22,480
Freriedman. Second by Alderman Schwarz.

3306
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:24,079
And do you want to read that motion

3307
02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:25,440
again so everyone knows what they're

3308
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:34,310
voting on, please? Mrs. Stone

3309
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:37,760
are In chambers.

3310
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:39,280
>> All right. Roll call vote.

3311
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:41,280
>> That you said in chambers. In chambers.

3312
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:41,360
You

3313
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:42,880
>> didn't say every place. You just said in

3314
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:43,679
chambers.

3315
02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:44,880
>> When the meetings are held in the

3316
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:48,320
chambers, they will be recorded and the

3317
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:50,400
recording will be posted and Zoom

3318
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:54,149
accessible.

3319
02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:58,629
» Roll call vote, please.

3320
02:09:58,639 --> 02:10:00,320
» Alens.

3321
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:02,639
I

3322
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:03,440
Davis.

3323
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:12,239
>> Hi.

3324
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:12,880
>> Michael.

3325
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:14,480
>> Hi.

3326
02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:17,760
>> Alman Fre,

3327
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:23,030
>> I

3328
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:24,800
» All right. Any other items under general

3329
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:27,199
discussion? I'm afraid to look over

3330
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:29,305
here.

3331
02:10:29,305 --> 02:10:30,880
[laughter]

3332
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:32,639
>> I'm kidding.

3333
02:10:32,639 --> 02:10:35,679
>> No, you're not. That's okay. [laughter]

3334
02:10:35,679 --> 02:10:36,400
>> Back to my line.

3335
02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:38,159
>> We all have to have a sense of

3336
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:38,719
>> meeting.

3337
02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:41,520
>> All right. If not, do I have a motion to

3338
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:42,159
>> We did this.

3339
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:42,639
>> We did.

3340
02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:46,560
>> Oh, we did that. Never mind. [laughter]

3341
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:47,840
>> Amended the agenda.

3342
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:48,880
>> It was It was

3343
02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:50,239
>> They didn't know if we needed to vote on

3344
02:10:50,239 --> 02:10:50,800
it.

3345
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:54,239
>> It was included in the consent agenda.

3346
02:10:54,239 --> 02:10:56,639
>> A motion to adjurnn, please.

3347
02:10:56,639 --> 02:10:57,840
>> I make the motion.

3348
02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:00,320
>> I'll second. Motion was made by Alderman

3349
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:02,400
Donna, seconded by Alderman Wigle. All

3350
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:04,000
in favor of adjournment

3351
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:05,280
>> I

3352
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:06,880
>> have a great evening. We adjourned at

3353
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:09,599
811.