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I'd like to call the meeting of
September 8th, 2026 to order at 6 pm.

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Would you please all stand for the
pledge of allegiance [clears throat]

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.
>> Roll call, please.

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Patricia Friebus, mayor
>> here.

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» Brian Fernandez, alderman, ward one,
>> present.

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» Natalie Akens, alderman, ward one,
>> here.

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» Davis, alderman W two,
>> present.

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» Alderman W two,
>> here.

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» Greg Columbo, alderman Ward three,
>> present.

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» Angie Wigel, alderman W three.
>> Okay. Kathy Freriedman, alderman ward

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four.
Alderman Ward 4

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» here.
>> Britney Gillette, city administrator

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» here.
>> Jeff Trentman, director of finance.

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» Mike Knight, director of planning and
public works.

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» Here,
director of parks and recreation.

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» Steven Dodge, chief of police.
>> Erin Cely, city attorney.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mrs. Stone. Now, do I have a

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motion for the approval of the agenda?

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A second.
>> Motion was made by Alderman Davis,

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seconded by Alderman Akens. All in
favor?

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» I oppose.
>> Approval of the agenda passes. Uh now

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I'm asking for a motion for approval of
the minutes of the August 11th, 2026

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regular.

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» Oppose. Are you okay for the beginning
of the meeting, Mr. Knight?

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» I believe so. I'm checking right now.

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We're on. It's But I'm not seeing it
though, Britney.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. So, you're okay with Okay. What

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has been accomplished? All right. All
right. Do I motion for the uh consent

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agenda?
>> It's all moved.

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» Second.
>> Motion was made by Alderman Davis,

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seconded by Alderman Akens. All in favor
of the consent agenda.

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» I
>> oppose. Consent agenda passes.

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This time we're going into the public
hearing to establish the annual rate of

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tax levy for the year of 2026 on all
property within the city of Sunset

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Hills, Missouri. Mr. Trenton, would you
like to address this?

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Is it on now? Okay.
>> Yes. Perfect.

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» Uh thank you, Madam Mayor. Yep. This is
part of our annual process for approving

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our uh 2026 tax rates. That's what we're
here tonight for. Uh before I go over

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the tax rates, which haven't changed
from last year. Um I thought I'd just go

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through the procedure real quick in case
anybody here is not familiar with the

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procedure of how the rates are obtained.
So every year the St. Louis County gives

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out their they do their assessments.
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sorry I'm trying we plug in those
assessment values of all the assessment

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values and then the new construction
into the state auditor's website their

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portal. Give it about a day and then the
state auditor gives us a what's called a

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proforma report that tells us what the
rates should be in order to get the

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amount of revenue that is consistent
with prior years. And so we take those

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reports that have the tax rates. I bring
them to you all. We have this meeting.

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You all pro uh approve the ordinance
with the tax rates and then I certify

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them and then we send them off to St.
Louis County and then you get your

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property tax bills in a couple months.
Um and then the tax rates need to be

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certified and to the county by October
1st, which is why we're asking, we

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always ask every year for two readings
in September so that we can get the

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rates to county in time.
Um, as far as the assessments go,

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compared to last year, it hasn't changed
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Residential, the assessed valuations
have only changed by about 350,000.

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That's out of 380 million. Uh,
agricultural hasn't changed at all.

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Commercial is up about 4.5 million. And
then personal property is down 3.2

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million. Um, as far as the rates go, as
I mentioned, the 2026 rates are the same

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as the 2025 post BOE rates. So,
residential is per $100 is 040,

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the agricultural is 035,
commercial 043,

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and personal property is 0.60.
So, very low in St. in um city cent

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hills. Um estimated tax revenue based
off of those tax rates and the assessed

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valuations is about $257,993
which is last year we were at 256

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something say they they make us keep it
pretty consistent. So that's where the

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rates and all the information comes from
and how it gets to you all and your role

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in the process. Do you guys have any
questions or anybody has any comments?

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» I have a question. How did the senior
tax freeze on their tax, their personal

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property taxes on their home?
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backed out of our um estimated revenue.
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» I'm trying to remember the exact numbers
for you, mayor, but I can't. But it was

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not significant.
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» it's interesting.
>> It surprised me as well. I was expecting

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a higher credit value, but it was not as
high as I was expecting. But we do not

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get that information during this time
period. I got that at like the end of

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the the end of the year is when I
received that information. So I won't I

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won't know that for 2026 yet.
>> Okay. Any other questions?

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» Alderman Columbo
comment. So, out of all of our Sunset

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Hills residents combined real estate tax
bills, personal property tax bills that

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we pay, the total from Sunset Hills
residents is only $257,000.

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» It's amazingly low,
>> right?

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» Incredibly low.
>> Right. Residents, commercial,

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everything. Yeah.
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» I think my tax bill is about $7,500. I
pay $52 to Sunset Hills. Right.

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» 1.3% I believe out of my
>> bill. Every year when we do the popular

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annual financial report, I make sure to
have a section in there that details

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here's your property tax bill and this
is how much goes to Sunset Hills and you

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can pretty clearly see the small
fraction out of your entire bill that

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goes here.
>> Any other questions or comments? All

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right. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you very much.

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» We will now close this public hearing
and move on to public comments. Uh, do

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we have any from the audience?
I have two that have been emailed to me.

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Since this person came in person, we're
going to let him go. Let her go first.

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Esther Gear, would you please come
forward, state your name and address,

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and you have three minutes.
>> Yes. Thank you.

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» My [clears throat] name is Esther Gear.
Um, I'm a longtime resident of Sunset

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Hills. My address is 9420 Sappington
Estates Drive.

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[clears throat] So say 36 years. Um I
just wanted to come tonight to add some

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support. I am on uh the parks board and
um I don't think it is often said what a

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fantastic job that Gerald
does for our parks board. And I know

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there was some level of discussion in
the last alderatic meeting that I didn't

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attend, but I wanted to be very clear. I
think I've been on the parks board since

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about 2015.
I've been a member of the Sunset Hills

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Garden Club for um 28 years. And um we
have really made great strides in

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beautifying Sunset Hills. If you look at
the police station, if you look right

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here at city hall, if you look uh what
Gerald does on the streets also up and

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down Lindberg
and his group also helps us with our

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triangle garden there by um Sunset
Country Club and Guyire [snorts] Road.

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So,
I don't know the exact number, but if

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you all knew how many grants this man
has written and how much money this city

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has gotten based on those grants,
it would be shocking. He would be highly

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regarded in any municipality
and I don't want um to not support him.

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And also Gerald's the last one that
compliments himself and his staff. He uh

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plays that down and right now his staff
is short because everybody's gone back

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to school, but they um they do an
amazing job. You ask any one of them for

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something and one if not several step up
to the plate. So I I know that the a lot

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of money does go to the parks department
for from the

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[clears throat] storm water situation in
the last tax um vote that we took that

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first one with Mayor Huner years ago. Uh
you know, we also at the parks

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department got a nice sum there. But I
just wanted to thank Gerald for his

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efforts here. I hope he stays at Sunset
Hills until he retires. And uh I I think

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that people should really be aware of
all the grant money that this city has

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gotten based on Gerald's great writing
and being on many boards that he is. So

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I just wanted to say that. Thank you for
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» Next item I have is a comment um from
Peter Rodic and his address is 9522

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Sunny Creek Lane. If it's not too late,
I'd love to have the following read at

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the this evening's board of alderman
meeting. Uh good evening. Though I wish

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I could be present to make this
statement, I didn't want to miss the

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opportunity to advocate for a more
walkable Sunset Hills. As the board

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continues its conversations about
sidewalk plans, my family and I have

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made previous appearances at these
meetings to advocate for increased

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walkability in our own neighborhood.
Sunny Creek Lane and Robine Road and a

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parenthesis. And it remains an important
goal for myself and my neighbors to see

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our neighborhoods better connected.
Windy, sometimes hilly treeline roads

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make our community desirable to
pedestrians, joggers, and cyclists. It's

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one of the many reasons my family chose
to live here. However, in the absence of

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proper pathways, these same
characteristics make it unsafe. Some

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intrepid pedestrians take a calculated
risk every day on low visibility,

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sidewalkless,
and shoulderless roads like Robine and

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Rot. Many others presumably abstain
because of the lack of safe routes. Kids

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do not have a natural or safe place to
wait for the bus along these routes. A

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couple years ago, I plotted every house
that cannot ex access any other

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neighborhood along Robine/Route
route without walking on Robine/ route.

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Many of us are isolated on foot. Not
only does this restrict kids ability to

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visit neighbors and friends, but it
prohibits safe access to parks, schools,

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the aquatic center, etc. As the newest
member of the Parks and Recreation

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Commission, I'd very much like our
residents to have easy and safe access

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to all of our parks and facilities. None
of us created this problem. Our city

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expanded during a time when walkability
was not a priority, but recent resident

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surveys have made it clear that
walkability is our community's number

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one priority today. The fact that it is
our resident's number one desire

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indicates that it is currently our
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Though retrofitting a community with
sidewalks and trails is a costly and

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complicated undertaking, the resident
stated desire coupled with the public

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health and safety benefits makes it a
wholly worthwhile

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parenthesis I'd argue mandatory and a
parenthesis undertaking. We should

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pursue it aggressively and for as long
as it takes. I understand rot near Lmar

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and under I270 are under construction
for side under consideration for

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sidewalks.
I fully support this and hope you will

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in the notistant future continue to
expand Droine eventually across

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Lindberg. This will connect so many
currently disconnected residents to

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Watson Trail Park, the pool, the
recreation center, to Truman Middle,

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parenthesis, likely eligible for grant
funding, and parenthesis. These are all

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nearby destinations, and we and our kids
should be able to safely walk to. Please

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continue to persistently and creatively
pursue grant funding, but I ask that you

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also supplement that funding with any
budget you can allocate from the recent

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sales tax renewal. Sidewalks are worth
it. Thank you, Peter Rodic and family,

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9522 Sunny Creek Lane.
The next comment is from the president

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and CEO of Friendship Village, Mr. Terry
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Dear Mayor Friebus and members of the
board, we are in receipt of tonight's

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meeting agenda and staff memorandum
regarding the senior living commercial

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district discussion. We agree with Mr.
Knight's memo that require Friendship

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Village or any other senior living to
reszone to a commercial zoning district

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for any future expansions would be
extremely problematic and would be met

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with firm opposition by neighboring
property owners. through creation of new

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senior living parenthesis SL and a
parenthesis district is good planning

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and the appropriate procedure for senior
living facilities to operate within the

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city. We welcome the alderman to move
forward with the second reading and

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passing of bill number 151. Sincerely,
Terry Walsh, president, CEO, Friendship

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Village. And those are the only comments
I have. And I believe Alderman Wigel is

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online right now.
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» Uh any other comments from the audience?
Okay. Moving on now to old business.

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Bill number 150. Would you please read
that for us? Alderman Fernandez.

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» Yes, Madame Mayor. Bill number 150, an
ordinance amending various sections of

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the Unified Development Ordinance
relating to recreational land uses.

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Second reading. A motion to approve.
Motion was made by Alderman Fernandez,

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seconded by Alderman Davis. Roll call
vote, please.

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» Alderman Fernandez,
>> I.

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» Alderman Akens,
>> I.

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» Alderman Davis,
>> I. Alderman Schwarz.

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» Alderman Wigle.
>> I

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» I
wiggle. We need to see your face in our

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to verify your vote, please.
>> I I I have my video on

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» to get it on. Let me try.
>> Alderman Wagle, I saw you pop up. Can

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you say something here for me? I I
>> Okay, now we see you.

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» Okay. Hello. Sorry. Did you hear?
>> We can't hear you now.

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» Technical difficulties.
>> Yes, I I'm voting yes.

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» See if I can do it.
>> She has her audio. Oh,

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got one. Now,
>> keep trying. Hello. Now we can hear you.

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» Okay. Sorry. Yes. I
>> Thank you. Thank you,

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» Alderman Freriedman.
>> I,

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» Alderman Daw,
>> I.

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» Eight eyes's.
>> Thank you. Bill number 150 becomes

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ordinance number 2429.

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» Perfect. Thanks.

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» City official and committee reports.
City clerk, city administrator, Mrs.

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Gillette.
>> Thank you. Just one more reminder, we

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will have our joint work session with
the finance committee. It does start at

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5:30 on the 22nd. Thank you.
>> Director of Finance, Mr. Trentman.

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» Hello. And as Britney had mentioned,
finances in the middle of budget season

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right now. So, we've been meeting with
the department heads, going over their

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needs, um, assessing their capital
plans, their operating budgets, putting

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that all together so that we will have a
draft for you all, as Britney stated on

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September 22nd. Um, other than that, the
finance issued an RFP last week for

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auditing services because our contract
with Sikitch ended at the end of last

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year. Um, so firms have until September
25th to submit a bid for the next three

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fiscal years and bid specs are available
on the website underneath the news flash

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um if they're interested that or they
welcome to email myself and then we have

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a advertisement going out u here shortly
as well. That's all I have right now.

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» All right, thank you very much Chief
Dodge Chief Police.

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Thank you, mayor. Uh, this Thursday we
have a uh Custard with a Cop event at

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Andy's Frozen Custard, 9535 Watson Road
from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. So, it

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should be a nice event. We're doing it
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So, whoever can make it should be nice.
So, any questions about anything else?

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when when it is.
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and it's from 6 uh p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
Andy's Frozen Custard on Watson.

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» Sounds like fun.
Thank you very much.

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» City Attorney, Mrs. Cely.

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» Um, yes. I really don't have anything. I
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the St. Louis Municipal League has been
asking cities and they're looking to do

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an independent audit of the St. Louis
County on their distribution of the pool

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sales tax. Um, so we'll see if that
actually gets any traction and if that

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goes forward. Um, but that's kind of the
only rumblings that's happening besides

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all the other news incidents. So, um,
unless there's any questions, that's all

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I have.
>> All right.

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» Thank you so much.
>> Director of Planning and Public Works,

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Mr. Knight.
That's myself. Just a couple updates for

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you. So, Kennerly Road, remember we had
the aging storm water infrastructure

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required a 4-day road closure on
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and we we had a 20,000 pound uh
structure that we set in, but it was

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completed in those four days. Uh the job
is complete and it's looking good. Uh

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jumping into West Watson phase two. So,
remember email go out. We were hitting

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the subgrade right in the beginning. We
didn't know if it was going to be 20 ft

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or the full 800. Um, besides that
initial area, we got uh I think 250

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layer feet so far with no issue. So,
we're we're in good clay. We're doing

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good. We don't have a change order
proposed yet, but at any point in time,

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you know, we may hit this bad soil um
and which we'll have to address

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accordingly.
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first set of preliminary plans. Um, good
news is nothing jumped out on those

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plans. There wasn't any rideway needed
or any additional storm water that

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jumped out. Um, there's some storm water
features, but nothing additional.

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Onyx. So, that'll be uh one of our final
road projects this year. It's an Onyx

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surface treatment on Sunland Fairland
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uh next Thursday at its earliest. We're
a little bit They're in Columbia,

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Missouri right now. They're coming to us
next. So, probably a little over a week.

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And once we get closer to that date,
we'll be sure to let everybody know.

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Guyire speed detection. So, as you're
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Guyire. We also put up some speed
detection signs if you haven't seen

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them. Um, so far they're up. I have seen
cars kind of slow down when they hit

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them. Um, but as we talked about at
public works committee, we'll, you know,

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Denny and Guyire do another speed study
after some time goes by just we can kind

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of see pre and post since we do a speed
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measures.
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So, as you are aware, uh we went out to
bid because it's five years. We were up

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to go out to bid. We received two bids
um just fairly recently. We had it on to

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the public works committee for
recommendation and it'll be to this

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board of alderman next month for action.
That's all I have unless there's another

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questions.
>> Any questions from the board?

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» Very much. Mr. Knight, director of parks
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Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, just a few
items. Tennis courts are open. However,

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we are going to close courts one and two
next week. Uh, there's some unleveling

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situations that we've got to correct.
So, there's going to be some sanding

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being done, a new polymer that'll be
placed down. Um, then they'll repaint.

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So, that's only a 3 to 4 day procedure.
Um, but again, the kids have been using

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it, the teams have been using it the
last few weeks. So, they are playable.

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They're just not um to our standard, I
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It's going very well. The grading should
be done this week. Uh, the next step

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would be seed sod silt fencing to keep
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the next step would be putting some rock
down where we're going to put the

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asphalt trail that would go around the
lake so that way you could have access

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to the actual fishing as well as we're
looking at possibly putting in an

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agricultural well. So, we've been
getting some bids on that to see if we

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can keep the water levels at the right
level year round. So, more information

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will be coming as we find out more. Um,
a lot of questions about the pool season

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this this year. The end of the year has
been a struggle for the my entire time

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here. As you can imagine, college kids
go back to school. Uh, lifeguards, you

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lose them. High school, if they're
athletes, we lose them. We don't have

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them through the week. So, we struggle.
So, every year is different. So, some

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years we can stay open full-blown all
the way up until Labor Day, no issues.

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other years it's it's tough to even get
open on the weekends. So, as you can

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imagine, we had a lot of closures. We
had a lot of people upset. Uh there

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wasn't a lot of programming, riverw
walk, lap swimming. We did everything

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humanly possible. How we'll combat that
is uh next year we're going to try to

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get more guards as well as I hate to say
we'll try to get non-athletic ones, but

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maybe that aren't on high school teams
where we actually have more guards

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available to utilize. So, that's what I
anticipate. as well as maybe we'll do a

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little more incentive pay for the last
two to three weeks of the season. Maybe

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pay them, you know, time and a half or
something to work those shifts that we

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that we need them. So, that's all I have
unless there's any questions.

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» Thank you very much, Mr. Brown. Moving
on now to committee reports. Finance

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Committee, Alderman Fernandez.
>> Um, thank you, Madam Mayor. We did not

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meet last month, so nothing to report.
Uh, we'll have some fun in a couple

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weeks, though. Look forward to it.
Parks and Recreation Commission.

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Alderman Davis.
>> Well, I want to compliment Brian on an

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excellent report in the horizon. If you
if you don't get it by email, make sure

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you come over to the community center
and stand and pick it up. It's

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wonderful. There's a calendar in there
that tells you everything that's

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happening in September. It's amazing how
many things we're going to be doing. And

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I'm not sure how I'm gonna how I'm gonna
get into a kids fishing tournament, but

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if you are a kid or have a kid or have a
grandkid, make sure they come on in the

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derby on the 12th. And we've got a dog
splash. I don't have a dog, but can I

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bring my cats? Would that be okay? On
the 9th and the 11th, they're going to

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have dog splash time. And then uh
there's a big garage sale coming up

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soon. So, most of us have something we
could certainly sell. And I think that's

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about it. Mr. night. I just want to
thank you for allowing me to look over

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your shoulder cuz my machine still
doesn't work.

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It doesn't work today. So, I'm just
going to peek over your shoulder. Okay.

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And then let's see if there's anything
else. I really appreciated what Terry

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Walsh had to say about our upcoming UDO
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And uh I did resign from a board
recently that made a decision to

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continue to have their meetings on the
same night as the parks and recreation

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commission for the city. So I had to
resign from the other board because my

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my love is my city, not other boards. So
here I am and I'll be here every time

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this time. Okay. And that's all I have
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» Thank you very much. Alderman Davis,
Police Advisory Board, Alderman Columbo.

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» So we did discuss a couple of things. Uh
the big item was a proposing a pay

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matrix for communication dispatch
personnel. Um current pay structure is

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definitely below comparable cities and
call centers. So it's something that's

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going to the current structure is
impeding recruitment efforts. So we

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really need to look at that. I think at
the joint finance session be another

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time to talk about this um because there
will be obviously some financial cost to

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it which think we'll be able to share
some of that with Crestwood as our

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current contract with them will be
coming up for renewal so it wouldn't be

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all on Sunset Hills. Um,
other than that, we also discussed um

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using part of our all of our Blue Shield
City Award money uh to go towards a new

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computer aided dispatching system. Um,
the current system is somewhere in that

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15 to 20 years old. We're going to be
losing technical support for that new

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system is a an upgrade to Motorola which
integrates with our new Motorola

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equipment I think we received just last
year. And um it's got some nice

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features, a regional use, customized
mapping, crime analysis and reporting

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functions. Um definitely improved
reliability, techn technical support

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along with automated report generation
once information's entered from an

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incident. So it becomes very user
friendly for the officers. So um both

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things that we discussed got unanimous
support from the committee. And so we're

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going to try and move that forward and
discuss those in the September finance

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work session.
That's all I have to report.

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» Thank you very much Columbbo. Next is
public works committee. Alderman doss.

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» Thank you madam mayor. As usual Michael,
you gave a very clear concise report.

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I'll just discuss for a moment some of
the actual discussion points we had in

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uh in our committee. First thing uh was
sidewalks and we discussed sidewalks

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I would say for a good 10 or 15 minutes
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think which which was good was
discussing funding of said sidewalks and

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how that might occur. There were three
comments made I want to share with

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everyone. Number one, where sidewalks
might connect one park to another.

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There was discussion that the parks
budget should cover said sidewalks

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because that was in the park's master
plan

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within a neighborhood that did not
connect a park, but that neighborhood

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would want a sidewalk that could be paid
by public works funds.

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Um,
another comment was made that if we

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wanted as a city to make a commitment to
sidewalks,

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we need to put some money in a rears
each year. Maybe it's not spent so it

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builds. So when the time comes that we
want to do a sidewalk, the money is

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already there.
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West Watson
and Mike shared with us that these

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grants that we receive
or shall we say no sure thing and that

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there were a hundred grants that were
given for phase two

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and number 96 of those. We barely made
it into that and so there's no guarantee

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on phase three that we would get the
grant but as a committee we agreed that

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make following up with phase three given
we've already done phase one and process

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for phase two made sense. So we
Greg a comment there.

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» Phase four.
>> Phase four.

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» Yes. Three is already funded.
>> Yes. Phase four. So uh that was

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discussed at at great length. And then
on trash collection

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uh we discussed the Meridian proposal
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essentially the numbers were very close.
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» And I would say that the decision from
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the devil we know is better than the
devil we don't and that we were

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supporting American Eagle. Is there any
other comments from the rest of the

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committee? Did I cover everything? Okay,
Mark, please.

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» I think we also had a little bit of
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could be applied to the Meridian
contract.

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Oh, the fuel search charge. Yeah,
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6% if I believe
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» substantially
>> saw in detail that

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I know it'll be a shock to all of you
but the senior rate that I enjoy on

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trash collection was more competitive
with American Eagle than it was with

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Meridian.
>> Definitely.

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» That's the end of my report.
very much, Alderman Doss. Moving on now

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to new business, bill number 152. Would
you please read that for us, Alderman

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Akens?
>> Yes. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Bill number

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152, an ordinance establishing the
annual rate of tax levy for the year

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2026 on all property within the city of
Sunset Hills. First reading.

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Motion to suspend the rules.

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So moved.
>> You made a second.

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» Okay. A motion was made to suspend the
rules by Alderman Aikens, seconded by

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Alderman Davis. Roll call vote, please.
>> Alderman Aikens,

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» I.
>> Alderman Davis,

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» I.
>> Alderman Schwarz,

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» I.
>> Columbbo, hi.

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» Alderman Wigel,
>> I.

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» Alderman Freriedman,
>> hi. Alderman Daws.

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» Hi.
>> Alderman Fernandez.

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» I.
>> Eight eyes.

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» Please read bill number 152 for a second
reading. Alderman Akens.

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» Yes.
>> Mayor. Bill number 152.

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» An ordinance establishing
an ordinance establishing the annual

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rate of tax levy for the year 2026 on
all property within the city of Sunset

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Hills.
Second reading. Roll call vote. Oh,

412
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,440
motion.

413
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:55,679
» Motion to approve.
>> Motion was made by Alderman Columbo,

414
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,000
seconded by Alderman Akins. Roll call
vote, please.

415
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,600
» I,
>> Alderman Fernandez,

416
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,519
» I.
>> Alderman Daw,

417
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:12,320
» I.
>> Alderman Freriedman. Hi.

418
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,320
» Alderman Wigel. I
>> Alderman Columbbo.

419
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,320
» I
>> Alderman Schwarz.

420
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,320
» I
>> Alderman Davis.

421
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,960
» I
>> Eight eyes's.

422
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:25,960
» Bill number 152 becomes ordinance number
2430.

423
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:32,399
Next item on the agenda is appointments.
There's only one Sherry Schmidt,

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00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:37,320
chairman of the Gump Commission term to
expire September 8th, 2029.

425
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,720
Move to approve.
>> Second.

426
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,760
» Was made by Alderman Daws, seconded by
Alderman Columbo. All in favor?

427
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:51,520
» I
>> oppose.

428
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:55,760
All right. We're very happy to continue.
Sherry Schmidt is chairman of the

429
00:34:53,200 --> 00:35:01,359
commission. General discussion at this
time. The first item on the agenda is

430
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:06,160
court consolidation. Mrs. Gillette.
>> Thank you very much. Um, based on the

431
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:10,640
board's direction, we have put a draft
agreement within your agenda for you all

432
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:14,960
to review. Uh, the attorneys still are
working on details of this agenda.

433
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:19,200
However, uh, as directed, this keeps the
conversation open and moving forward and

434
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:23,200
complete transparency for the public
should they have any uh, concerns or

435
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:28,000
wish to speak on the topic. We're here
to answer any questions tonight. Any

436
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:32,560
direction would just be to continue on
with this conversation. The next steps

437
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:40,000
would be to place the final agreement
which they are quickly getting to onto

438
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:43,839
um the following agenda in October for
first reading.

439
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:49,440
» All right, Mrs. Gillette, how are our
courts moving along at this point?

440
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:52,720
» I think they're moving along very
efficiently and effectively at this

441
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:58,880
point.
>> Okay, any questions or comments?

442
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:02,720
» Yes, question there.
Uh [clears throat] yes. Do you see an

443
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:06,079
urgency in moving forward with this
proposal?

444
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:11,200
» No, I don't see any urgency.
>> Thank you.

445
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:17,920
» Alman Freriedman. [clears throat]
in discussions with um with um Miss

446
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:24,079
Gillette this afternoon, she explained
something to me that I had not been

447
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:31,359
aware of, and that is that um we do not
and cannot have a backup among our

448
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:39,359
existing staff in the event that there
is um an illness, an injury, an illness

449
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:44,800
or an absence uh of the city clerk. Um,
and that is because of the need to have

450
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,560
access to the Regis system.
>> Correct.

451
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:55,119
» Am I you're you're absolutely correct.
>> And I had not really realized I assumed

452
00:36:51,520 --> 00:37:02,320
that if something happened to the clerk
that Ms. Stone could step in um or

453
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,200
somebody on staff. And that is not the
case.

454
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:11,359
» It's not. we we're able to help
transactionally um when the court clerk

455
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:17,920
is out. So, taking money at the window
or simply directing customers on how to

456
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:22,240
pay online or minor administrative
direction from there. But outside of

457
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:26,000
that, there is no one on staff who can
access Reges from a court yes

458
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:30,640
perspective. And when I asked what would
happen if [clears throat] the court

459
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:36,720
clerk were not available for court,
Miss Gillette said that has never

460
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:41,839
happened in her tenure here. But we
don't know what we'd do. We we would

461
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:47,839
have to cancel court. So with that in
mind, I think the

462
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:55,680
consolidation with Crestwood would give
us Crestwood would add a second clerk

463
00:37:52,480 --> 00:38:04,320
and that would give um a fall, you know,
a deeper bench to provide services for

464
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:10,000
our residents and Crestwood's residents.
it and that the only way to provide that

465
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:15,200
deeper bench in Sunset Hills would be to
hire another clerk.

466
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:19,440
» Correct. I I believe prior to me
starting there was a part-time

467
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:23,359
individual. Um I I'm not sure they were
a full clerk. I I think it was more

468
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:27,520
administrative in nature. I'm not sure
that person could have even stepped in

469
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:32,320
if our court clerk was absent on a court
night. Um but but you are correct. It

470
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:36,720
was Crestwood's direction that they
would hire a part-time person in

471
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:41,920
addition to their existing full-time
court clerk in order to take on the

472
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:44,920
additional workload and have that backup
plan

473
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:52,560
inclined to continue
to to move forward with the

474
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:56,400
consolidation. Um,
it's something we've talked about and I

475
00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:02,960
I know we've got half of the board now
is our are new members. It's something

476
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:11,119
that we've been talking about um for
years and I think it would give our

477
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:15,400
residents as well as Crestwoods an added
level of service.

478
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,047
» Any other comments from the board?
[clears throat]

479
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:25,880
» Alderman Akens.
>> Thank you.

480
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:34,880
And I um we did see a significant
increase in cost over the last five

481
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:38,640
years. So I just wanted to say that I
did do some digging into that. So thank

482
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:42,560
you Mr. Tman, Mr. Le for providing me
that information. Um but from my

483
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:48,160
analysis I saw that the primary cost
driver is from personnel. Um so the

484
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:55,200
expenses of salary and the benefits
associated with that. Um most of the

485
00:39:51,040 --> 00:40:00,720
growth that you see from 2021 to 2022
you see a big jump. So I did look into

486
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:05,599
that as well. Um that is due 2021 is
just like an artificially low number.

487
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:12,880
COVID was still kind of happening. So it
was ramping up that year. Um and then

488
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:18,079
the jump in 2022 was due to um it looks
like we moved some of the the benefit

489
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:19,599
lines moved over to the court budget or
perhaps they were new. I don't know if

490
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,040
you can see.
>> Correct. No, these are not new. I don't

491
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:30,320
know if um many of you will probably
recall, we used to have um an 019,000

492
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:33,520
um fund which actually housed the entire
city's benefit. So all of this FICA

493
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:37,040
expense, your health insurance, your
employee benefit administration fees,

494
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:42,480
those were all excuse [clears throat] me
housed separately. In 22, we decided,

495
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,000
excuse me, to get a better departmental
picture of of actual personnel costs.

496
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,520
And so we started splitting those out
instead of lumping them all together. So

497
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,359
that's why you see that jump. those
those costs still existed. They were

498
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,640
likely very very similar within that
department, but we broke it out

499
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:02,228
departmentally instead of just housing
it as its own employee benefit fund.

500
00:41:00,208 --> 00:41:02,228
[clears throat]

501
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:06,440
» Any other questions or comments?

502
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:15,760
» What was the difference in that? The
numbers from

503
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:21,119
» Right. So 20 21 was 106,000 and some
change. 22 was 129,000 and some change

504
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:25,040
and just very quickly ballparking the I
mean you're looking at about 17,000 in

505
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:30,338
those benefits alone that would have
come from that other fund though they

506
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,358
did exist elsewhere in the budget. Okay.
[clears throat]

507
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:44,160
» So,
Britney, are you looking for direction

508
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:49,680
from us as to whether we want to move
forward in discussing this in earnest

509
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:55,599
and make a decision within the next
couple of months?

510
00:41:52,640 --> 00:42:01,040
I would encourage us to consider that's
not saying we have to change anything

511
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:06,640
but kicking the can down the road is
should not be our motus operande here. I

512
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:11,599
think we either should say to our city
administrator and our mayor that we want

513
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:16,240
to move forward and at least consider
this consolidation

514
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:23,680
or we're not interested in it and let's
move on. But to me, I think there's

515
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:29,440
enough concern here on the board to look
at this in detail. And then the last

516
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:36,800
comment I'll make,
the city of Sunset Hills

517
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:42,000
has its fire service consolidated. We
don't have our own fire service, do we?

518
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:46,400
It's consolidated.
Yet, we enjoy a pretty good level of

519
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:51,520
service.
our metropolitan sewer system is

520
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:55,839
consolidated for the entire area
obviously and we get a pretty good level

521
00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:01,520
of service.
consolidation in a lot of ways makes

522
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:06,000
sense for a city
and so I think looking at this it's at

523
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:12,000
least something we should take a hard
look at doesn't necessarily mean we do

524
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:17,839
it but I would encourage everyone we
take a hard look at it make a decision

525
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:21,920
and then let's move on
>> yeah to answer your question staff does

526
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:27,520
intend to move forward as previously
directed so at this point if you want to

527
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:31,680
stop that I I would appreciate a motion
to just table this and bring it back up

528
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,400
whenever the board is ready. But yeah,
at this point we are prepared to

529
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:37,839
continue those conversations with
Crestwood City Attorney and bring this

530
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:41,599
back to you for a first reading in
October.

531
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:46,240
» Alderman Davis. [clears throat]
>> Um question is how do we get the

532
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:49,760
citizens to buy in? Is that important?
When are we going to present this to

533
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,359
them? How are we going to get a response
back?

534
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:57,520
» Can it be done in two months? We, you
know, that was the intention of the work

535
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:02,079
session that we held last month. We
advertised it in multiple places. We

536
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,960
we're doing what we can. I think we're
being very transparent with what's on

537
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:09,520
our agenda and why we're doing what
we're doing. Again, we created a

538
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:14,079
completely separate event just for this
conversation. And so, we're doing what

539
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:17,760
we can to get that buy in. If it if it
doesn't come, I'm not sure what else to

540
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:22,319
do.
>> Have any of you heard any comments from

541
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:27,040
residents? I heard one comment and he
was opposed to the consolidation.

542
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:30,079
I'd like your comments.
>> I I have a question or a comment. Sorry,

543
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:34,079
Madam Mayor.
>> Alderman Alderman Wagle.

544
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:39,359
» Sorry. Um,
do we know how many of our residents are

545
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:43,760
actually using the court versus people
that are actually not Sunset Hills

546
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:48,560
residents?
>> I don't have a specific report of that.

547
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,800
No,
we may be able [clears throat] to draw

548
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:57,920
citations via address, but I'd have to
see if Regis has that capability. I'm

549
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:04,079
not sure
>> because if if the residents are not the

550
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:08,480
offenders, as long as it's done, you
know, efficiently, does it matter? You

551
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,040
know, I I don't know. It's just a
thought.

552
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:15,680
» We have [clears throat] another
question. Alderman Davis,

553
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:20,880
» the other question I have is we we have
hired a part-time person in the past. If

554
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:26,720
we did that and stayed here, what would
that do with the cost of doing it our

555
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:30,400
way versus consolidation?
>> Yeah, part-time people, you know,

556
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:34,960
obviously there's no benefits associated
with that. So there the fringe benefit

557
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:40,400
cost is is null and void. But you're
you're likely looking 30 to 40,000 a

558
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:44,480
year to have somebody who part-time
who's qualified to jump in and sort of

559
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,960
create that deeper bench as Alderman
Freriedman was alluding to. If we wanted

560
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:51,920
just strictly an administrative person
be a little bit cheaper than that, but

561
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,040
I'm not sure we'd get a whole lot of
benefit if we went that route.

562
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:58,960
» And right now we're looking at
approximately how much if we consolidate

563
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,800
how much we will we will have an
advantage in money. Yeah, those those

564
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:07,119
numbers vary and it's hard to look out
into the future because the revenue from

565
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:11,280
citations just varies so much from year
to year. And that report within your

566
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:18,720
packets was a difference of anywhere
from $7,000 or maybe $1,700 all the way

567
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,119
up to 50,000 depending on the year and
the ticket revenue associated with it.

568
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,720
» Okay.
>> Oh, thank you.

569
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:30,000
» If you had a part if you had a
part-timer, would they be able to access

570
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Reaches? If we had a part-timer who,
yes, who was court clerk only,

571
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,480
absolutely. They couldn't do work for
the prosecutor. They couldn't do work

572
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:40,880
for the finance department. All that
stuff has to be very segregated. But

573
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:44,880
yes, to answer your question, they could
to find somebody who's qualified to do

574
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:50,480
those things. Again, you're looking at
the higher end of that part-time budget.

575
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:55,200
» I believe we're writing
many more tickets

576
00:46:52,800 --> 00:47:00,160
this year than we traditionally have. Is
that right? have to have more speed

577
00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:06,000
enforcement.
>> Do you project that that will continue

578
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:09,839
into the future? Because that would if
if if you think there's going to be a

579
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,680
fall back, there will be a fall back in
revenues. [clears throat]

580
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:17,520
» It's hard to say. The goal is that we
increase speed enforcement, but people

581
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:22,240
slow down and then we don't have to
write it and then tickets. That's the

582
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,119
goal. So, it's kind of hard to say.
people tend to be on a hard curve on

583
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:30,160
that necessarily, but
>> so so if it works the way it should,

584
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:32,720
we're going to have less revenue
>> hopefully

585
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:37,440
» if it is effective. But again,
>> right, we'll have less

586
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:40,880
» that's the goal. That's the goal.
>> And and do you know if they're residents

587
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,520
or non-residents? Do you keep track of
that?

588
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,240
» We can find out in terms of who we pull
over whether or not they're residents

589
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:51,839
because that's something we actually
enter into traffic analysis form. So

590
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:56,400
that is something I think we can find
out. I I think we've looked at that in

591
00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:03,359
the past and it's been ground I want to
say 5 to 10% generally speaking terms of

592
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:08,240
our traffic stops it's about 5 to 10%
probably closer to five.

593
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:13,040
» Alderman Columbo
>> I would just add that there are plenty

594
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:18,480
of roads and there's plenty of speeding.
We may slow it down on one but it just

595
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,480
continues on another.

596
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,720
Now I have another question.
>> Davis,

597
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:26,800
» have we considered the wear and tear on
our campus by having the court here? I

598
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,040
don't know that that's ever been
discussed, but I know to clean up the

599
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,200
next day. I know there's a lot of things
that happen here. Maybe you wouldn't

600
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,079
have
>> Yeah, we you know, we're fortunate. I

601
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:40,240
think we have a pretty good janitorial
system and and they are um they're good

602
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,880
at what they do. They clean up. It's
there are times, you know, Miss Stone

603
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,640
and I have come in in the morning and
you can tell there's been court when you

604
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:51,119
walk through the front uh area there,
but for the most part, I I think they

605
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:55,680
treat our building well. Now that, you
know, since co we've gotten really great

606
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,440
with the webinars and folks really do
appreciate not having to drive here and

607
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:03,599
so we actually only hold one in in
person per month. The other one is

608
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:07,359
online. Uh so that eliminates some of
that wear and tear as well. But I I

609
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:11,280
haven't noticed them and we've been very
picky, especially since we've redone our

610
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:17,920
building. I haven't noticed them tearing
up our facilities or anything like that.

611
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:21,839
» Other comments? Alderman Akens?
>> I'm glad you brought the virtual session

612
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:26,800
up because I did do some research and
Crestwood does not offer that. Um, but

613
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:31,440
they do have a 247 kiosk where people
can like pay fines and stuff. So, a

614
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,720
different benefit.
>> Yeah. And, uh, Show Me Courts works that

615
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,800
way too. You know, if you've gotten on
case ever, most of the time if a fine is

616
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:42,480
payable online, that's it's available
247. So, they probably just have some

617
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,760
accessibility to that within their lobby
or something. Yeah.

618
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,520
» Alderman Schwarz,
>> could the [clears throat] uh Crestwood

619
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:54,240
could they handle the double fine zones
that are designated within Sunset Hills?

620
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,359
» Absolutely. They're they're certainly
aware and prepared to to do that. Yes,

621
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:01,200
sir.
>> Alder Columbbo,

622
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:07,280
» I just have one final question. I mean,
when this originally came up, Britney,

623
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:09,440
you were pretty much an advocate for
validating with Crestwood.

624
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:15,359
» I think that's fair.
>> At this moment, you've kind of softened

625
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:19,440
that stance. We we've we've got some
things that have taken place. It seems

626
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:24,200
like the log jam is breaking loose.
We're being more efficient moving cases.

627
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:32,240
Is there a need? So, I guess what I'm
asking is back to Fred. We continue the

628
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:37,760
discussion, what's left to discuss on
it, or are we happy with the progress

629
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:42,960
that's being made and monitor that
for a short time and see if things are

630
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:46,319
going to get get to a tenable solution
inhouse and we just continue with what

631
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,680
we have.
>> Yeah, I think that's a very good way to

632
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,880
look at it. I I agree. I think we've
discussed all of the points and the pros

633
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:56,640
and cons that we can about the
consolidation. And to the mayor's point,

634
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,480
um I think us continuing to put it on
the agenda equals some transparency and

635
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:04,319
to make sure that folks who are
concerned or do want to speak on it have

636
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:07,920
the opportunity to do so. So that's I
think that's why we've sort of really

637
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:12,240
slow played this. But I I would agree
with you. Um there is the opportunity to

638
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:17,280
to put a pin in it and and see how it
goes. On paper, I do think we will save

639
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,359
a little bit of money if we consolidate
what that's worth to the board as far

640
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:25,680
as, you know, keeping these services in
house, keeping our own judge. That's up

641
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:30,240
to you guys to say it is worth that much
or it's not worth that much. But I do

642
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:34,800
agree softened. I think we have um
loosened up on some of those backlogs.

643
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:41,839
I'm seeing a lot of progress in that
regard. Um the concern of not having

644
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,480
someone here is is gone. So, yeah, I'd
agree with you.

645
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:49,599
All right. If there's no further
discussion, let's move on.

646
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:57,920
» I'd like to make a motion to direct
staff to continue on on this process and

647
00:51:53,520 --> 00:52:03,359
bring it to the agenda on in October.
Make a decision or not.

648
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:07,920
So, I'll make that motion.
>> Do we really need that? I'll second it

649
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:10,640
if we do. We just want them to continue,
right?

650
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:15,520
» I don't need it, but if it makes you
more comfortable, we can certainly Yeah.

651
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:17,440
» I Well, I don't know. We We're moving on
and I feel like I don't know what the

652
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,640
next
>> It's always been staff's d or the past

653
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:24,160
couple of months it's been staff's
direction to to do this and in in

654
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,200
October we would bring you the first
reading of that draft. So that's how we

655
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,800
were planning on continuing. Thank you.
If if that is has changed, I would

656
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,119
appreciate a motion to say, "Hey, let's
not do that for any reason."

657
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:39,119
» Thank you, ma'am.
>> You're welcome.

658
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:46,000
» Okay, moving on. The next item on the
agenda is senior living. Mr. N

659
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:49,559
» just a couple slides I'll share.
Very brief though.

660
00:52:49,581 --> 00:52:51,601
[clears throat]

661
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:09,680
All right. So, uh last time we were
here, we talked about the senior living

662
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:14,400
zoning. Um, and at that meeting, uh, it
was brought up as I had the senior

663
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:18,000
living zoning uses in its own senior
living district. Uh, we said, "Let's

664
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,359
bring it back to the next meeting under
general discussion and talk about what

665
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:27,920
that would look like if the senior
living uses were in a commercial zoning

666
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:33,200
district." Um, so I think the two
approaches regulate the senior living in

667
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:37,520
the same way. Um the primary difference
the the zoning would be in originally

668
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:41,119
would be a a senior living zoning
district. They would have only the three

669
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:45,680
uses the plan retirement care the
nursing home and the assisted living

670
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:49,280
where if it was permitted in the general
commercial we have two different

671
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:53,040
commercial local and and general. I
picked general just based on their

672
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:57,359
description. It said if you're basically
only local uh uses you're in the local

673
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,480
commercial. If you're visiting from
outside of the area, which I thought was

674
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:04,319
maybe a little more appropriate to
senior living people visiting, it'd be

675
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:09,280
general commercial.
But your minimum lot size, 5 acres,

676
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:13,520
minimum lot width, your height, your
density, open space, out structured

677
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:17,760
exactly the same. The sole difference
would be whether it would be in the

678
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:21,599
senior living district or permitted use
in the general commercial zoning

679
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:27,599
district.
So the the key dis the key difference

680
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:32,079
being the underlying zoning. I think um
you know in the senior living district

681
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,119
existing facilities have the path
forward for a change in enhancement

682
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:40,000
which was how we started this
conversation without adding a full depth

683
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:44,480
or range of of uses if someone were to
move further. But we also brought up

684
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:48,960
that future senior living locations
would then require a zoning uh decision,

685
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,079
say a new one. We we're really talking
about the existing facilities, but if

686
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:58,880
there were a new one, it would require a
zoning change. Um, for the being

687
00:54:55,359 --> 00:55:03,440
permitted in the GC um you know, the
existing facilities reszoned to GC could

688
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:07,280
later become something else, right? So,
there are a list of permitted and

689
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:10,640
conditional uses. Once that zoning is
defined, they would still have to go

690
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,920
through our plan development process. it
would still have to meet all those

691
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:18,559
development requirements, but the zoning
mechanism would already be there if we

692
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:23,680
reszoned into that general commercial
district. Um, and then the light switch

693
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:28,240
would go on for any existing general
commercial that senior living would be a

694
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:31,920
planned would be a permitted use in that
district. So, if we have, which we do

695
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:36,000
have some existing uh general
commercial, if we were going to move it

696
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:41,040
in, if this were to go through, senior
living would be permitted in that

697
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:44,640
district. So again, I I said I would set
it pretty brief. It was a little bit

698
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:48,079
more in detail in the memo. Um but I
really think we started this discussion

699
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:51,040
with providing a path forward for the
existing facilities. That's kind of how

700
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:55,359
we got there. There wasn't a new
development coming in. Um I think both

701
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,240
of these approaches provide a path
forward. They really do. It's the same

702
00:55:56,799 --> 00:56:02,000
development requirements. You could
still have a path forward whether you go

703
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:06,000
into general commercial or a new uh
senior living district. They both apply

704
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,599
the same development standard. So
there's nothing new there that we talked

705
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,599
about. I think it's really about the
land use behind it. So I think the

706
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,440
general commercial they may offer
greater flexibility for the development

707
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:22,720
itself because they have these potential
uses and the reuse of the property where

708
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:26,960
the senior living district that provides
more long-term predictability for

709
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:30,799
neighboring residential. So if you were
a neighbor or what whatever neighbor you

710
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,960
were to some of these existing
facilities and they said we're just

711
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:38,480
going to change our facility.
Well, you know it's only senior living

712
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:42,240
then. Whereas if it was general
commercial, there could be potential

713
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:47,520
reuse of that site that was different
than a senior living facility. Again,

714
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:52,000
just a few slides I think just kind of
summarizes the memo I put forward, but I

715
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:55,760
can answer any questions or discussion
at the board level, however you choose.

716
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:59,359
» Is I'm thinking of all of our senior
living facilities that we have in Sunset

717
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,640
Hills now. Peace Haven, Friendship
Village,

718
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:07,839
» um Lamar.
>> Mhm.

719
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:12,000
» Uh it used to be Sunset Hills. Yeah, now
it's just now I think it's another name,

720
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:15,920
the one on Kennerly Road.
>> I think of all those and they're very

721
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:22,200
near residential.
I would certainly hate to see that zone

722
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,200
commercial

723
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:30,960
because we protect our residential
>> faithfully, adamantly. We we are

724
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:37,760
forceful with our residential. That's my
personal opinion.

725
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,760
» Any comments? Alderman Freriedman?

726
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,960
If
Friendship Village or Peace Haven or

727
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:50,160
anything,
>> get closer at least

728
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:56,079
» fell into the ground
>> and they're gone. What happens to that

729
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:00,640
zoning district?
>> Is this if they already went into a

730
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,960
senior living or general commercial or
just permanently right now they came to

731
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:06,319
the ground
>> tomorrow morning? Yeah, I think they

732
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:10,480
would have their well they would have
their existing zoning entitlements,

733
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:15,040
right? And then someone moving in unless
they had that same operation, same use,

734
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:20,000
they would have to zone in to what they
saw appropriate, you know, a developer,

735
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:26,640
someone it's would be a private entity
would least likely be a public entity.

736
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:33,119
» So that zoning district
is still there. the PMXD.

737
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:37,359
» Yeah, it would take a it would we would
have to for a zoning district to change

738
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,839
it would have to come before you and
follow the statutory process and public

739
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,480
hearing.
>> In the case of Friendship Village, it

740
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:48,960
would be PDM mixed in the case of um
>> Yeah. PDLC is one of them and Yeah.

741
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:51,960
» Lawmire PDLC.
>> Yeah.

742
00:58:52,000 --> 00:59:00,480
because
and I don't see why it would be

743
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:06,760
different if we had we don't have an
overlay system

744
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,760
of zoning

745
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:14,400
a
a public I'm sorry a plan development is

746
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:22,680
its own district.
So if if the underlying if the business

747
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:22,680
goes away,

748
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:34,720
what can continue is what's there and it
can be reszoned

749
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:43,119
as the board would see fit
in response to a developer.

750
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:48,480
The the big issue that I see with the
general um putting this in general

751
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:53,440
commercial is that general commercial is
always there and it's a boogeyman that

752
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:59,599
can come up and and
>> you know uh get the residents.

753
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:05,200
» That's true. But if a plan development
goes in there,

754
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:10,559
then what follows
in the event that that business goes

755
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:16,960
away would have to conform to that plan
development.

756
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:20,799
It's not just commercial.
>> Correct. You have a plan development

757
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:28,119
permit, right? So if they weren't if
>> so it so the commercial the general

758
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:28,119
commercial

759
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:35,359
uh zoning doesn't just pop up
that what I understand

760
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:42,319
» not for that
>> the benefit that you see

761
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:49,440
» is that
if something goes ary with the the

762
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:53,520
business the entity
that

763
01:00:50,960 --> 01:01:01,040
that's just open game for general
commercial. And what I see because it's

764
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:08,160
not an overlay is that PD would and this
is an important thing not not for this

765
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:12,119
particular it's important to understand
>> how our zoning works.

766
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:20,240
» Yeah. I don't know if I 100% understand
the question is yes if someone were to

767
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:24,240
reszone the property they pick what
zoning district they want and they have

768
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:28,079
a series of permitted uses but it's not
by right we have to have a plan

769
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:31,520
development permit and that solidifies
all those things that we bring together

770
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:35,839
with the site plan the landscape plan
the lighting plan and it says this

771
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:40,160
authorizes this use
>> you still have an underlying zoning

772
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:45,040
district whether it be GC or let's say
we put it in LC right And they all and

773
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:49,760
all the different zoning districts have
different uses, but the plan development

774
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:53,280
permit authorizes the plan. It's not
conventional zoning. You have to have a

775
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:56,799
plan with you when you reszone the
property.

776
01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:02,400
» Am I answering? And I don't know if it's
a fear as as much as it's different.

777
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:05,760
Yeah, it's different, right? One would
just look at these areas for senior

778
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:12,079
living, right, with those three uses.
and the other one has other entitlements

779
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:15,440
into our code with the P's and C's as
you mentioned before

780
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:22,559
» the plan development becomes the zoning
if there's not an overlay am I

781
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:25,359
misapprehending this so
>> miss

782
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:30,079
» you have plan development but the plan
is still in the guise of it's still

783
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:33,280
commercial use commercial zoning because
that's where he's getting the setbacks

784
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:37,760
that's I mean there can be modifications
to it and you can't do the use until you

785
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:41,920
have the plan, but you're still choosing
from those uses within the commercial

786
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,559
district. You're still choosing whether
or not you're going to meet the setback,

787
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,079
whether or not you're going to meet the
building height. You're allowed through

788
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:54,160
the plan development permit to get
modifications to those and that will

789
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:59,440
become the zoning. The plan development
commercial

790
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:03,839
» okay so would be the zoning still have
an underlying zoning

791
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:06,720
» question.
Alderman Davis.

792
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:12,319
» So, if one of your senior living
facilities like Friend of Village

793
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:17,599
decides to turn into a commercial
condominium complex or an apartment

794
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:20,720
complex, can they do it or can they not?
And what would they have to do in order

795
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:25,839
to make that switch over?
>> Yeah, neither of the SL or the GC have

796
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:28,880
the multifamily element. They're not in
either. But there are other I'm just

797
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,640
going to say what's some common
commercial a bank, right? Or maybe a

798
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:37,039
pharmacy. those could be adjacent or
even any of those other ones that were

799
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:41,760
in that use table. I think to your point
that doesn't mean by right they can just

800
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:45,920
go in they have to submit that plan
development permit that goes through

801
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:51,200
this process but the underlying zoning
is one of those eight or 12 that we had

802
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:56,480
on the screen LIGC
LC

803
01:03:52,880 --> 01:04:00,319
and then your assortment of residential
>> and from a a legal perspective please

804
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,760
correct me if I'm wrong once you have
that underlying zoning while we do

805
01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:08,480
require them to come through their plan
development permit and it we require it

806
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:13,280
all inclusively. We're going to have a
very difficult time saying no to that

807
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:18,000
use just because of that use if it's
already allowed within our use table.

808
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:22,079
» Okay. still reszoning, but you're so you
still have the legislative discretion,

809
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:26,400
but you are now there is you're taking
property that is not currently zoned

810
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:32,000
commercial that is next to residential
property and you are now if you do a

811
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:37,280
general commercial, you are requiring to
reszone that commercial right next to

812
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:43,359
residential zone property, then do
development permit on it, which is

813
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:47,119
you're now adding commercial property to
the city of Sunset that was not there

814
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:52,000
rather than having
>> okay the the plan developments on the

815
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:56,960
map are standalone districts zoning
districts

816
01:04:54,160 --> 01:05:00,880
» they still the way you guys do it is a
reszoning but you still refer to the

817
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:06,000
underlying districts because that is
where you're still getting the setback.

818
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:10,240
So when you unless there's modifications
to the setbacks you don't put the

819
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:14,559
setback in the plan development permit
because they are complying with the

820
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:18,160
general commercial setback. Some cities
they will put the setback every single

821
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:22,799
time. They'll put the green space every
single time. This you have kind of like

822
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:26,640
your base and of saying this is what you
want to see for this area. But we can we

823
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:32,720
can with the plan development you can
put greater. It's like you know actually

824
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:36,079
setback is 35 but we want more because
of the use. So it gives you a little

825
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:40,720
more flexibility that way but it also
can give the developer flexibility of

826
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:43,920
having a less setback but the your code
is kind of the base of it. the

827
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:49,440
developers like yep I'm in comply or no
I need modifications from that so it is

828
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:55,599
a separate reszoning but you're using
that as your kind of base

829
01:05:52,319 --> 01:06:02,319
» so for instance
uh tapoing golf course is in PD mixed

830
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:08,440
and
appendix A says that this is not an

831
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,440
overlay this is a standalone

832
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:20,160
um district so If Tapoingo decided that
they didn't want to own a golf course

833
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:23,359
anymore,
what would happen?

834
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:27,280
» They either need to reszone the property
or have someone who still wants to own

835
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:31,839
it as a golf course because the zoning
would stay there, but you have said you

836
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:36,079
can't that zoning is no longer alive.
So, while all of that is in there and

837
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:43,119
that one it is the setback, everything
is listed in there. um you would have to

838
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:47,280
either comply with that or reszone to a
district that is alive still and then

839
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:51,839
get your plan development permit for the
use that you wanted to do within that

840
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,000
district.
>> Alderman Columbo,

841
01:06:53,886 --> 01:07:01,520
[clears throat]
>> so my concern with the commercial route

842
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:06,960
goes back to the
$7,000 we collect in tax, real estate

843
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:11,920
and personal property tax. But we
collect almost $4 million in sales tax

844
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:17,466
between our capital improvement tax and
our Prop Ps and stormwater tax from our

845
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:20,799
commercial districts.
[clears throat] If some of those

846
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:26,960
commercial districts or areas were now
picked off to become senior living,

847
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:30,400
we're now
>> reducing

848
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:33,440
» at risk of our $4 million a year in
sales tax revenue.

849
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,640
» Right? It's the same conversation
everybody's had when big box stores are

850
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:41,599
going away and they're being filled with
gyms and storage units that these things

851
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:45,520
aren't adding revenue to those otherwise
revenue generating districts. Yes.

852
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:48,960
» So it becomes a real fiscal threat to
our

853
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:54,039
» current model because we are funded so
heavily through the sales tax model.

854
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:54,039
» Correct.

855
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:03,119
At this point, we're looking for
direction from the board on which one

856
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:06,400
you would prefer to move forward with.
We've, you know, we've looked at both

857
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:10,799
options on whether it's creating an SL
district or if we want to go ahead and

858
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:14,559
click permitted or conditional uses in
within the GC district for senior living

859
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:18,640
facilities, but
>> we do need direction on on how to manage

860
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:22,880
the existing and and possibly future
senior living facilities within the

861
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:27,279
city. [clears throat]
Alderman Columbo. Do we need to make a

862
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:31,359
motion to bring one back? I'd make a
motion to bring the SL

863
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:35,839
» back for a second reading at the next
meeting.

864
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:40,560
» I'll second that. Motion was made by
Alderman Columbo, seconded by Alderman

865
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:44,440
Aikens. All in favor?
>> I

866
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:44,440
» oppose.

867
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:50,480
» But since it's coming back, can I ask a
couple questions?

868
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:54,799
» Yep. I was just going to make sure
Alderman Wigle could be present. I just

869
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:58,400
since I shared.
>> Yes, I hear. Yes.

870
01:08:56,480 --> 01:09:02,560
» Okay, perfect.
>> Did we get your vote? I'm sorry.

871
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:08,159
» Yes. Or I
>> Okay, thank you. So, six six to two,

872
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:11,920
» Mrs. She was an I
>> 7 to1.

873
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,239
» I'm sorry.
>> Thanks, Mayor.

874
01:09:15,367 --> 01:09:22,480
» [clears throat]
>> Um

875
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:27,279
the senior section two of your proposed
amendment

876
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:33,920
for senior living.
>> Yes. It says that planned senior living

877
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:41,279
communities and associated support
services off um in a coordinated manner

878
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:44,279
uh promotes
compatibility.

879
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:57,920
Can we change communities to commercial
enterprise? Just to emphasize that this

880
01:09:52,000 --> 01:10:04,719
these senior living models are truly
what we see now. Nursing homes,

881
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:08,719
retirement centers, assisted
living

882
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:14,520
and that the supportive services are
offered by that commercial enterprise.

883
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,520
Um

884
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:27,120
don't know
if you what I would like to avoid is

885
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:33,440
having
>> one of the uh facilities

886
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:37,600
put in a standalone
I don't you beauty salon.

887
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:42,880
» Okay. Yeah.
>> Car wash. not a,

888
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:48,159
» you know, something that's supported.
But um and I I mean I understand

889
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:55,840
friendship village is a wonderful place
because it has all of those but those

890
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:59,520
are offered by you know that's not
>> Mhm.

891
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:03,640
» they're not bringing in a Chick-fil-A
kiosk or you know

892
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:12,800
» on section three we've got five acres
right now. the the ordinance for

893
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:17,679
Friendship, the underlying ordinance for
Friendship Village calls for a minimum

894
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:22,159
of 10 acres. And I think that's more a
more appropriate,

895
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:26,320
you know, there's too many areas in
Sunset Hills that you could string

896
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:31,040
together two or three houses and come up
with five acres.

897
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:35,520
That's
>> We do have multiple facilities within

898
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:39,920
the city that are right at that 5 acre
mark. So my concern would be if if any

899
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:44,239
one of them wanted to amend in any way,
shape or form, they would no longer

900
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:48,480
conform or comply with the senior living
district. And I correct me if I'm wrong.

901
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:52,800
I thought that was our impetus.
>> We attempted we attempted to match the

902
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:57,679
existing uh you know based on lot size
and most of the bulk requirements um off

903
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:01,120
Friendship Village was most descriptive.
Um they would run into an issue to

904
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:05,199
change, but they would go through that
plan development permit process and ask

905
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:07,360
for flexibility. Not guaranteed, but I
think we all understand what the process

906
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:12,560
would be,
>> right? Yeah. It wouldn't

907
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:17,520
I don't think Peace Haven would come to
us and ask to

908
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:21,280
change something in their plan
development and we would tell them that

909
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:25,679
they needed to buy
five acres of the park.

910
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:32,560
» You know,
>> this is they could expand. They could go

911
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:36,320
to the county and pick up some of Lmire
and all of a sudden Yeah,

912
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:41,280
» that's right. My point is,
>> yeah,

913
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:50,000
» if we have this minimum, we can work
around it in the planned development,

914
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:56,239
» right? This is just what the the
zoning district the minimum size of the

915
01:12:52,159 --> 01:13:02,560
zoning district per se.
>> I I think 10 10 acres and I'm sorry. Go

916
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:07,120
ahead.
>> Can we have our cake and eating too? can

917
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:11,280
be grandfather
>> right

918
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:15,679
» existing senior living facilities at
their five acres that we're talking

919
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:20,000
about but a new facility
>> would have to be a minimum of 10 acres

920
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:23,840
» they already will be we you can't work
backwards when you are reszoning or

921
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:27,199
making amendments to a zoning code or
setbacks or things like that so that

922
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:29,520
they're immediately grandfathered in.
We're not going to knock on their door

923
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:33,760
and tell them they're no longer large
enough to be in the city of Sunset

924
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:38,000
Hills. But if they were to ever amend
their plan for any reason, and our our

925
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:42,320
code can be fairly strict on when it
requires uh you know, site plan

926
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:46,719
amendments or even full-on amendments,
they would no longer conform with that.

927
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:50,000
And and while I would hope, you know,
exactly what Alderman Friedman said,

928
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:54,880
there is the opportunity to deny based
on the fact that they no longer conform

929
01:13:51,440 --> 01:14:00,000
with the existing code.
>> So for reference, the uh

930
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:05,360
» Peace Haven off of Rot Road is just over
five acres. Um, Fountain Care, which I

931
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:09,320
think is the formerly Cedar He is just
over 7 and a half acres.

932
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:21,199
» The existing ordinance is 10. And I I
would think that that's appropriate. Um,

933
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:27,760
and Mr. Knight, I see that you've got
the um

934
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:32,000
under multifamily dwellings. they used
to be under temporary dwellings and I

935
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,640
think that
>> okay

936
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:45,840
» that that would be a more appropriate
place to to house that. Um

937
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:49,679
and finally you and I have Oh, senior
housing

938
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:53,760
is
>> not per

939
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:59,520
» Yeah, but you you do need to keep it. It
will stay in there then.

940
01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:03,840
» Yep. So I mean no not in there.
>> So the density you and I have gone

941
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:07,440
around with this.
>> Yeah.

942
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:13,199
» Yeah. I think it was one of the
>> is a minimum [snorts]

943
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:15,520
11 dwellings per acre.
>> Which matches the requirement of

944
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:19,920
Friendship Village.
>> Okay. Um,

945
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:26,400
» we worried about a maximum because a a
dwelling unit

946
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:31,600
by definition is
a not a house, but a a dwelling unit

947
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:38,560
that has a kitchen of all things. Not a
bathroom, but a kitchen. And

948
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:45,040
many of these
apartments or rooms or whatever are not

949
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:52,360
going to have kitchens. So,
and I guess if there's no maximum, do we

950
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,360
do we care about a maximum?

951
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,920
» I I mean,

952
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:02,400
how many beds?
>> I thought it was the most difficult part

953
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:06,480
was the density when looking at this
because it's really difficult depending

954
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:10,880
on the operation. It shows 11 dwelling
units per prayer because it matched

955
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:14,480
Friendship Village and we were Yeah,
exactly. And that was kind of the spirit

956
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:18,960
of how do we make these things still
work but not try to recreate the wheel.

957
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:24,640
» It was the definition of dwelling units
was my biggest part that was um I put a

958
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:29,199
line in
that defined dwelling unit. I just don't

959
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:32,159
know if I have it in this comparison. It
it did not

960
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,120
» I don't think it's in the
>> it might not now that we're saying it

961
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:38,880
too. Um
>> I think it was in the previous agenda.

962
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:45,520
Yeah.
>> Um it was I found something and and I do

963
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:48,320
think it's relative. Um that was again
that was my when I was looking at the

964
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:52,560
most difficult part was how do we match
this density and work that it fits in

965
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:57,880
because again you can have three people
in a room and some you can have one you

966
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:57,880
can have more conduct.

967
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:04,880
It's really just kind of your what your
community wants.

968
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:07,360
» I do have a definition. Um again I don't
I think you're right. I don't think it

969
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:11,679
was in this packet, but it was in the
previous cuz I was just doing the

970
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:14,000
comparison here saying they're the same.
>> Yeah.

971
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:17,040
» Yeah. Okay. Well, I didn't see it in
this one.

972
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:21,520
» So, we need to clean up that Yeah.
>> definition. And

973
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:25,520
» I'm I'm just still really struggling. I
And And I get it. We're We're moving

974
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:29,360
forward with SL.
>> Mhm.

975
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:32,560
» Um the density is
>> Yeah. Unfortunat Yeah.

976
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:36,880
» Okay.
>> vetting that out.

977
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:40,320
Wait. Alderman Columbo had his hand up
first and then Alderman Davis.

978
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:47,520
» Okay. Alderman Davis.
>> Most homes don't have kitchens in their

979
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:50,880
room facilities. Like Mary Cobber has 27
>> bedrooms, but they don't have kitchens

980
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,400
in those bedrooms.
>> And this didn't go by kitchen. It's in

981
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:58,239
the previous packet. It was like a room
where one or more beds may be in in

982
01:17:56,719 --> 01:18:02,080
which someone lives in a retirement, you
know, like it it tried to capture when

983
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:07,120
you walk by where all these units are.
Um, and some cities do beds, but that's

984
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:13,440
not how it previously was done. Um,
>> Mary Culver, which is in Kirkwood,

985
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:16,880
some ladies share a restroom. They're
they're they have their own room, but

986
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,880
they have they share,
>> what is it, whatever they call Jack and

987
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:23,520
Jill.
>> Yeah, a Jack and Jill. Okay. So, I'm

988
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:28,239
assuming that other nursing homes are
the same way. So, so when you say 11 per

989
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:32,560
acre, you're saying 11 rooms, you're
saying 11 beds, you're saying 11,

990
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:36,719
» it functioned as essentially as rooms,
but it took it accounted for that we

991
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:40,880
know they can add and subtract beds in
these rooms as their operations involved

992
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:45,280
over time. I just don't have it in front
of me, but point taken. I will make sure

993
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:50,640
that is I'll look at it again and make
sure it's very transparent as we if we

994
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:53,040
bring it back forward.
>> Columbo,

995
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:57,440
» I just had a procedural question. I've
made a motion to bring back senior

996
01:18:54,719 --> 01:19:02,960
living. It was seconded the way it was
and now we've talked about changes. So,

997
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:05,360
are the changes voted on or we just
saying that

998
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:10,880
» I think given that it it's going to be a
second reading next time a motion would

999
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:12,960
be appropriate for these changes. Yes.
>> Well, and

1000
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,280
» so but
>> right so that's why I'm

1001
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,440
» eventually I
>> I guess my question

1002
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,520
» I'm taking this as discussion at the
moment.

1003
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:23,840
» The motion was made. It was seconded.
Would we vote on that motion and then we

1004
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:30,640
vote on a separate motion to add these
individual changes that we haven't

1005
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:34,239
really looked over per this discussion?
>> Mrs. Cely,

1006
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:37,440
» there was a motion made and seconded and
a vote taken to bring it back

1007
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:44,640
» the existing
>> Yeah. to bring it back as an SL. And so

1008
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:47,679
I can I can make a motion. You know,
>> I guess what I'm saying is where does

1009
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:51,280
the motion to bring it back the way it
was stand? We needed to vote on that.

1010
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,600
» You did.
>> We did.

1011
01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:56,000
» You voted for that.
>> And then

1012
01:19:54,159 --> 01:20:02,080
» and then if there's a motion to make
amendments, there can be a second motion

1013
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:05,440
and and subsequent vote. Yes. But are we
making them

1014
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:08,080
» these individual changes or all these
changes lumped together or

1015
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:12,000
» or is it just a
>> that's up to whoever wants to make the

1016
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:14,719
motion
>> because I'm still

1017
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:21,440
» as it stands right now we're bringing
back the original bill

1018
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:27,520
for a second reading next month and it
will be voted on. Now if someone wants

1019
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:31,920
to make a an an amendment to that bill
they can do that at that time. Correct.

1020
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:35,600
can make a motion now if they choose to,
which at that point would bring back a

1021
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:39,120
clean second reading, which
>> I think is preferable and more

1022
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:44,320
transparent.
>> Do we have enough data to do?

1023
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:48,640
» I don't think we do.
>> Not not we've heard enough. I mean, it

1024
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:52,480
might be in front of Alderman Freeman,
but I don't have any of that

1025
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:55,480
information.
>> Yeah.

1026
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:01,360
» So, Mr. N. And I think two of them I
don't know if they're like the

1027
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:03,280
commercial enter. Well, I shouldn't
speak for the board. I'm not I don't

1028
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:09,520
want to
>> I just meant some of them were.

1029
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:17,360
» Shall I make I would like to make a
motion to amend section two

1030
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:23,440
of the proposed UDO.
>> You need to be louder, please.

1031
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:28,560
» Yeah. Yes, you're right. um to remove
the word communities,

1032
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:35,199
plan senior living communities and make
it commercial enterprises

1033
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:42,000
and associated supported services
offered by that commercial enterprise.

1034
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:46,080
So, you're thinking like a hair shop
that's actually inside the building

1035
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:49,199
where the ladies live
>> that they're offering

1036
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:52,639
» or a car wash that's
>> well, not a car wash.

1037
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:56,639
» That was bad.
>> Well, but it's a possibility.

1038
01:21:54,560 --> 01:22:00,639
» Well,
it's in your three.

1039
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:07,120
» The point I'm getting to it with this
proposal is that this is not a

1040
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:12,400
residential community. It's a commercial
enterprise, which is what all of these

1041
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:17,040
are.
>> But outsiders don't go to that beauty

1042
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:20,880
shop. It would just be residents or
barber shop in Friendship Village.

1043
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:26,239
» I just want to clarify to Right.
>> There's nothing within this definition

1044
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:30,800
that would prevent this. It It's just
defining these as commercial enterprises

1045
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:34,080
and not residential locations. By doing
this, it's not saying you can't have a

1046
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:37,040
barber shop on the premises. Okay, if
>> if they eventually moved forward or

1047
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:40,800
included that in their plan development,
this definition doesn't

1048
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:44,400
» remove anything. It's just clarifying
that this is a commercial enterprise.

1049
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:48,800
This is not just a residential multif
family district.

1050
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:52,400
» Okay. And that they have dentist
whatever they need

1051
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:55,840
» and that the services offered there are
offered by the commercial enterprise for

1052
01:22:54,880 --> 01:23:00,000
their residents
>> for their exclusive

1053
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,960
» exclusively for their residents.
>> Right.

1054
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:05,840
» Right. Or maybe their employees too. I
don't know.

1055
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:08,639
» But I know where Alderman Freriedman is
going and I agree with that. It it has

1056
01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:13,040
to be
>> within the

1057
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:16,400
community to offer. They can offer
whatever services they would like to

1058
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:21,560
» right
>> but not put that out to the public at

1059
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,560
large

1060
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:29,120
» to the residents within the community.
So that to my point, yeah, we're

1061
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:34,239
changing the verbiage and obviously
you've seen it, you've thought about it,

1062
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:38,400
we're hearing it and saying,
>> I would suggest we need to see some of

1063
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,719
these things actually in writing
>> first.

1064
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:46,080
» And I think we'd be much more
comfortable with that, wouldn't we?

1065
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:50,400
» I think that's a great idea.
>> Yeah.

1066
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:56,400
» And that's fine. I just, you know, if if
we're going the senior living

1067
01:23:53,679 --> 01:24:01,760
zoning district route, that's fine.
That's what we're doing. But there's, as

1068
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:10,719
as I've looked at this and thought about
it, and what we see here is missing the

1069
01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:14,480
definition of a dwelling, you know,
it it's using dwelling unit, which

1070
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:17,679
really skews [clears throat]
>> Yeah.

1071
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:21,760
» counts. We've got within the ordinance.
It says for the purpose of calculating

1072
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:25,679
density under this section, a dwelling
unit shall mean a room, suite,

1073
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:30,639
apartment, cottage, or other residential
accommodation designed for occupancy by

1074
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:32,880
one or more residents within the senior
living use.

1075
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:35,840
» Perfect. I didn't know if I had it in
the comparison. I knew I said I had it.

1076
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,679
I just
>> on page three with three asterisks in

1077
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:47,360
front of it.
So by one or more, that's one or as many

1078
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:51,199
as you want to put into a said dwelling
unit.

1079
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,520
» Okay,
>> I understand.

1080
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:57,040
» I'm sorry, Mike. I
>> Alderman Davis said that there can be

1081
01:24:55,280 --> 01:25:01,440
jack and gills and those things. I
understand that.

1082
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:08,440
» But I think there needs to be some
level of reason there in what a welling

1083
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:08,440
unit should be able to contain.

1084
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:19,760
So, if we only have dwelling units,
that's where I sleep.

1085
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:23,440
Can I have a therapy room that's
outside?

1086
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:27,040
What's that called? Because like like at
the nursing home where I am on the

1087
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:32,560
board, we have a therapy room that is
leased to a therapy group that comes

1088
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:37,280
there to do therapy for the women.
That would not by by this definition. It

1089
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:41,520
says it's designed for occupancy by one
or more residents. So from a residential

1090
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:45,280
perspective, occupancy means that's
where they're staying. That's where

1091
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:47,040
they're sleeping. Not necessarily a use
room.

1092
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:50,400
» Okay. Yeah.
>> Right. The other alternative would be

1093
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:54,000
beds. It's just I don't have a
calculation of beds or know how these

1094
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:59,040
beds like that would be another common
way to do it. I just I was trying to

1095
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:02,560
match what was there in the spirit 11
dwelling units and I was understanding

1096
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:07,840
what's the best way I can describe
dwelling unit without that kitchen

1097
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:11,760
reference and just take the units can be
different sizes. I understand that they

1098
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:15,280
fluctuate in senior living but that's
where the 11 came from.

1099
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:19,040
» Yeah. And the parking spaces are tied to
beds. So

1100
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:20,639
» Mhm. Yeah. And that's how they were
again.

1101
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:24,719
» Yeah. And do you have
>> I've looked at quite a few and a lot of

1102
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:28,320
parking is tied to beds and again some
senior living tie it to beds and you

1103
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:31,840
have a lot of controlling mechanisms
through the space right you know you

1104
01:26:29,679 --> 01:26:37,760
have 50% open space you have the height
so you're you're you're showing the form

1105
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:40,560
too um yeah those like I said it was
probably the most difficult part was

1106
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:45,760
trying to itemize that but I was leaning
on what was there today and not trying

1107
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:49,040
to reinvent the wheel and saying let's
kind of mirror these existing facilities

1108
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,800
No,
>> we can provide these in a red line if

1109
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:59,440
you wish and put it back on for
discussion at the next meeting.

1110
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:05,320
» I'm not sure how else to do it to ensure
you guys are able to see this before

1111
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:05,320
we've put it on for a second reading.

1112
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:11,040
» My [clears throat] other question is did
are we leaving it at the five acres? I

1113
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:16,880
mean, there was talk of that. I think
the five acres has been proven to work

1114
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:20,400
in our community without tying up big
parcels of land to turn into more thing.

1115
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,880
I
>> that is completely up to you all.

1116
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:26,639
» Yeah,
>> Alderman Wel,

1117
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:30,199
» I like the 10 acres, but [clears throat]
that was my question.

1118
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:38,960
» So again, the motion was made and
approved to bring it back the way it

1119
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:42,239
» was the way it is written. hash it out
when we have some definitions in front

1120
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:48,480
of us at the next meeting.
>> Okay. Okay.

1121
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:50,960
Any other comments on senior living?
>> One one other question.

1122
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:56,320
» Alderman dos.
>> Um so Michael

1123
01:27:53,920 --> 01:28:02,000
with all the work you've done towards to
get us to this point.

1124
01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:06,639
» Can you share with us what some other
municipalities of similar size do with

1125
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:09,920
some of these things or have you already
done that?

1126
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:14,480
» Oh. you were well you were suggesting
mirrors was already being done

1127
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:18,400
» right so I I looked in quite a few
different existing facil existing cities

1128
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,520
especially when I previously worked
where they had a lot of senior living

1129
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:25,440
and went through those changes also
looked at what our current entitlements

1130
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:30,159
were and said are any of them far off
far different again we're right in line

1131
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:34,960
with the parking in terms of other
cities from my recollection

1132
01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:38,320
um we have I think some more open space
than others but more open space is kind

1133
01:28:36,719 --> 01:28:43,360
of the standard that we've had. So, it
all made sense. Um,

1134
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:46,960
I think parking even gets tricky, too,
just because the amount of visitors you

1135
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:51,120
have and stuff. But, no, that the
hardest part was that density function

1136
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:54,320
because I was mirroring it off these
existing facilities. That was the

1137
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:58,880
language that chose. I didn't really
know how to calculate beds to make it

1138
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:04,080
similar to what we had is maybe look at
other parking counts. Yeah. No, I looked

1139
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:08,400
at all of them and and all seemed within
typical, nothing atypical that jumped

1140
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:13,960
out.
One last comment and and I promise it's

1141
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:13,960
the last one.

1142
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:20,560
» I'm not going to get specific, but we
all know where there is open space in

1143
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:25,280
our city. I was going to ask
>> and

1144
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:29,840
I would like to see that open space
especially as it exists in major

1145
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:35,840
thorough affairs
remain as an opportunity for us to have

1146
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:41,520
commercial development
because as Alderman Columbo said that's

1147
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:46,239
the straw that s stirs the drink the
drink. So,

1148
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:51,840
um I think we just need to be careful
there. This 5 acre thing that also

1149
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:59,199
concerns me with some of the parcels
that I'm looking at. If it was 10,

1150
01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:03,679
that couldn't happen.
And it would seem to me to be a shame

1151
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:08,239
even though yes, we have residents that
want these services. I won't argue that,

1152
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:13,600
» right? But it would seem me to be a
shame with our limited availability of

1153
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:19,760
commercial development that that could
get soaked up with senior living new

1154
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:26,880
facilities.
I think it's 10 acres. I'm much more

1155
01:30:22,639 --> 01:30:30,159
comfortable with that not happen.
>> Thank you, M. I'm sorry.

1156
01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:35,040
» Thank you, Alderman Davis.
>> My last quote as well. So, there are

1157
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:39,520
places in Sunset Hills where a
residential area, a resident has 5

1158
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:46,320
acres,
but I don't see how that you can stop

1159
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:49,679
that resident from selling the property
to someone who wants to put in a senior

1160
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:53,040
living because we have to go through the
process no matter what.

1161
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:57,199
» They'd have to reszone into a senior
living district as they're essentially

1162
01:30:55,440 --> 01:31:01,280
right now a residential district which
is separate. So, the board would have

1163
01:30:58,639 --> 01:31:04,800
the opportunity to deny that reszoning.
Yeah.

1164
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:09,600
» Okay.
>> Any other comments on senior living? If

1165
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:13,898
not, are there any other items under
general discussion tonight? Alderman

1166
01:31:11,679 --> 01:31:17,679
Columbo,
[clears throat]

1167
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:23,080
» at the last meeting
there was a lot of mention of

1168
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:23,080
transparency and

1169
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:30,600
along with transparency for me most
important is factual.

1170
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,600
Um,

1171
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,520
we talked about

1172
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:41,280
article on the call motion allowing
virtual access Sunills parks and reading

1173
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:46,560
board meeting fails.
Immediately after it failed, it passed.

1174
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:51,040
But the headline becomes that versus
what actually happened.

1175
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:55,600
So in in in this sense, I'm calling out
the call for just being inaccurate with

1176
01:31:53,679 --> 01:32:00,159
that or not listening to the last five
minutes of our meeting and understand

1177
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:03,159
that we did pass that.
>> Secondly,

1178
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:12,639
another article in the call from May 26,
Sunset Hills approved stormwater master

1179
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:15,840
plan and they quote alderman Freeman,
"We've made promises residents for

1180
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:19,920
parks, but we've been collecting $1.8 8
million for the storm water parks fund

1181
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:26,960
and I don't see that for 20 years any of
it has gone to storm water.

1182
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:34,000
Well, that's not correct at all. When
the bond passed in 2009,

1183
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:40,400
$4.375 million of that initial bond went
to stormwater projects.

1184
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:46,040
» So, for however long we have been we put
money towards it and we've been paying

1185
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:46,040
on debt towards stormwater projects.

1186
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:55,199
When it comes to the budget, we also
talked about budget numbers. 5.3 or 5.6

1187
01:32:53,280 --> 01:33:01,120
million out of a budget 13 million which
was thrown around last meeting. Well,

1188
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:06,719
our total budget for 25 was 14.6
million, not 13. And why does it matter?

1189
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:12,880
Because when you use percentages and you
say, well, it was 42 or 43% of the

1190
01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:16,560
budget. Well, technically it's 38%. It's
not 42 or 43, which some around say

1191
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:23,199
almost half of our budget is going the
parks. Well, that's not the case.

1192
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:27,360
Secondly, if you deduct out the 32% of
the bond issue from that, so you're

1193
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:32,159
paying on the on the principal interest
note,

1194
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:38,080
now you're at 36% of budget went to
parks. But we also failed to address

1195
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:45,199
that parks brought in $3.4 million last
year through Prop P.

1196
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:53,199
um all the revenues
and others. So I I wanted to be fair to

1197
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:58,400
parks that we're getting it correct and
not just throwing out things that catch

1198
01:33:54,880 --> 01:34:08,520
a headline, get an article and are not
factual to what's actually happening.

1199
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:08,520
Um, lastly, something back in 2007

1200
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:15,040
prior to Prop P
getting passed. So, there's a couple of

1201
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:18,480
things that were talked about.
Information from the city indicates that

1202
01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:22,239
Prop P funds would provide for an
additional construction of facilities

1203
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:27,840
that would link city's parks to the
entire city. [clears throat]

1204
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:32,000
Sounds to me like there was a plan,
>> sidewalks or whatever, some sort of

1205
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:35,760
connectivity. Another article from March
3rd, 2007,

1206
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,719
Mayor Huner at the time, "Money's
generated will be used to improve or

1207
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:42,960
expand the parks and recreation
facilities in Sunset Hills purchase

1208
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:46,480
additional parkland, construct new
facilities, athletic fields, and

1209
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:52,400
additional trails interlinking the
entire city." So, back in 2007, there

1210
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:56,480
was already a plan
that was being floated around for this

1211
01:34:54,800 --> 01:35:02,480
connectivity.
So part of my point for that is

1212
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:09,360
when they were talking about passing
Prop P back then in April of 2007,

1213
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:14,480
they were talking about connecting
sidewalks and what have you. So I think

1214
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:19,840
some of these sidewalk opportunities
could see funding from Prop P because

1215
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:26,560
the original intent of Prop P when it
was passed back then was there. So, I

1216
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:31,280
think as we move forward with our
steering committee and our discussions

1217
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:34,320
at public works and what have you that
we can look at some of these sidewalk

1218
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:40,080
things and know that there should be
funding a probably just through Prop P

1219
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:45,120
for it and also
some of these streets where there are

1220
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:51,679
storm water challenges that sidewalks
there's another opportunity to use Prop

1221
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:55,400
P money to solve those issues as well.
And that's where I'll leave.

1222
01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:04,721
» Alderman Aens.
>> Thank you.

1223
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:07,440
» Thank you, Mayor. [laughter]
[clears throat]

1224
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:11,520
You had me thinking and with the um the
comment tonight from our resident. We

1225
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:17,280
are hearing it very clearly that our
residents want sidewalks or trails

1226
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:21,360
connectivity. Um so I think it would be
great for us to have a plan on what that

1227
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:25,440
looks like. It seems like right now
we're kind of approving things on the

1228
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:30,000
one-off. Um I would really love to see I
know we have a a sidewalk map of Sunset

1229
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:35,120
Hills of what sidewalks exist, but where
can we connect parks and connect people

1230
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:40,159
to schools and actually start to have a
plan on how we make this happen? And I

1231
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:44,159
don't know how we do that, but I think
it would be good for us to have. years

1232
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:50,480
ago when I was um chairman of public
works as an alderman, we did devise a

1233
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:55,280
plan, a priority plan for sidewalks,
connecting our parks, connecting our

1234
01:36:52,480 --> 01:37:00,080
schools, connecting um different
facilities in our city. I think in

1235
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:05,280
public works, Mr. Knight, maybe you
could look that up. And uh we did have

1236
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:11,360
some residents come to our public works
meeting asking for sidewalks for paths

1237
01:37:08,159 --> 01:37:15,920
for students walking home from school,
etc. And we did address those when it

1238
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:22,080
was a high priority for our residents.
Um we also established trying to put

1239
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:28,719
aside $200,000 a year in our budget for
sidewalks and um I think maybe that's uh

1240
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:32,800
something we need to look into. So I
agree with you. I don't think it was a

1241
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:39,040
line item. It was just put into our
general budget. And then we also devised

1242
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:43,679
the uh the principle that when a new
development went in, if they could at

1243
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:50,400
all possible put sidewalks in, they were
required to. Uh if it was impossible,

1244
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:54,560
» then they had to pay into the the
general fund the amount that the

1245
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:59,760
sidewalks would cost. So, I think we
need to look into that and see if we

1246
01:37:57,199 --> 01:38:03,920
want to make the sidewalks a line item
to keep that just for sidewalks. If

1247
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:08,080
that's Mr. Trenton, that would be
something you'd look into. I know you

1248
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:14,239
don't like all these line items, but
>> a little more work, but it's it's good.

1249
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:20,400
Um, I think we need to maybe readress
that in public works again, Mr. Alderman

1250
01:38:16,639 --> 01:38:25,679
Dons, and see if we can go back to that
that listing that we created a lot of

1251
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:32,800
time. We we spent a lot of time on where
would sidewalks be the most used and the

1252
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:41,600
and for safe connectivity in our city
and um that was probably 15 years ago or

1253
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:45,360
more 16 years ago. So
Alderman Doss

1254
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:49,840
» um I think that's all great things and I
would support those. Couple comments.

1255
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:55,040
Um,
five years ago when I first ran, I

1256
01:38:52,880 --> 01:39:00,320
walked my ward
and

1257
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:08,400
I asked about sidewalks
and I to me, how could you not want a

1258
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:16,560
sidewalk? I was amazed the response I
got on Kennerly and Weber Hill. I wore

1259
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:20,480
it, no one else's. No, we don't want
sidewalks.

1260
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:24,639
» So, I think we need to be careful here
that

1261
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:31,119
yes, it's a good idea, but if we're
going to represent the residents,

1262
01:39:28,719 --> 01:39:36,639
we have to make sure it's what they want
in their neighborhood.

1263
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:42,159
Second comment,
what Alderman Columbo said about data is

1264
01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:47,679
really accurate and I support that. But
what when you dive down into things as

1265
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:53,040
we will try to do,
I had heard um I believe it was two two

1266
01:39:51,360 --> 01:40:00,639
meetings ago, we were talking about
storm water expenditures for the city

1267
01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:06,880
and again talking my neighborhood on
West Watson, there were bridge

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01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:13,679
replacements desperately needed
on a number of streets that tie into

1269
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:17,199
West Watson.
Now, you might think, some of us might

1270
01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:22,159
think, wait a minute, if we need a new
bridge,

1271
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:27,040
that's a public works
thing.

1272
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:33,760
But what I heard when I was when it was
being defended, what we had spent on

1273
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:42,239
storm water, that those bridges
were part of a storm water expenditure.

1274
01:40:37,679 --> 01:40:48,480
Now, if they help the creek move more
water, I guess you could say that that's

1275
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:52,400
could be fair. But in a broader sense,
you would probably say, "Wait a minute.

1276
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:57,280
We've moved monies
into a public works project and we're

1277
01:40:55,040 --> 01:41:02,639
going to call it storm water
remediation, let's say." Well, probably

1278
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:07,360
not.
So where Alderman Columbo makes good

1279
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:12,880
points, it just depends sometimes on
your perspective and how you're going to

1280
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:16,719
identify what an expenditure is within a
given fund.

1281
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:20,719
So
the truth lies in the data, but

1282
01:41:19,125 --> 01:41:26,719
[clears throat] it also lies in our
interpretation of set data.

1283
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:33,040
That's all I got. Madam, thank you. And
we did look into sidewalks. When um

1284
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:37,360
Kennerly Road was resurfaced in the 8020
grant,

1285
01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:42,639
the residents did not want sidewalks.
They did not want a safe path for

1286
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:48,080
joggers, our bikers. They wanted it to
be more like a country road and retain

1287
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:55,760
their front yards. So that's why we had
to put the sidewalk from Elnor on to

1288
01:41:52,639 --> 01:42:02,480
meet the 8020 grant and we had to have
them stamp the bicycles on Kennerly Road

1289
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:05,679
to meet the 8020 grant. So uh Men's Hill
is the same way. They do not want

1290
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:07,360
sidewalks. They want it to be a country
road.

1291
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:10,639
» Weber Hill
>> Weber Hill is the same way. Weber Hill

1292
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:16,719
would be virtually impossible to put
sidewalks in. It would be a real

1293
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:20,800
challenge. But um I think we do need to
listen to the residents. But connecting

1294
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:26,800
our parks, connecting our schools,
making it safe. We did a sidewalk

1295
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:31,199
project over by uh Truman School in
conjunction with Lindberg and they paid

1296
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:36,080
for part of it because they have money
set aside to make it safer and then they

1297
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:40,159
save money in the long run because then
they don't have to provide buses for

1298
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:44,480
some of their students and they can walk
to school and it's much healthier to

1299
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:49,199
walk to school uh if they live within a
certain range. So I think we do need to

1300
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:52,639
be careful with a lot of these topics.
We want to meet the needs of our

1301
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:55,440
residents, but we also want to listen to
our residents.

1302
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:59,920
» And mayor,
>> Alderman Fernandez,

1303
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:03,920
» um, a lot of great discussion here. Uh,
I do want to at least support from the

1304
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:08,159
financial side and the finance committee
just how complicated all of this is. If

1305
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:12,000
you look at the line items Mr. Treman
has to go through and all the decisions

1306
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:15,360
that have to be made over time, it is
really kind of mind-boggling. Um,

1307
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,080
there's been some great work done by the
steering committee and the finance

1308
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:22,639
committee doing some more work going
forward to truly understand these things

1309
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:25,541
at a deeper level and
mumbo I love that you're going back and

1310
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:27,920
going and getting the data on
[clears throat] us trying to be accurate

1311
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:30,480
because it is really hard. So, I just
want to acknowledge that uh we do want

1312
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:35,040
to get better with this and I do think
it's a great opportunity. I will though

1313
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:38,639
caution also from the financial side the
amount of money we're have to spend on

1314
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:41,840
roads is absolutely incredible. So, as
much as sidewalks are very popular and

1315
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:45,119
something that people are absolutely
going to hook on to, when they can't

1316
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:48,639
drive their roads and issues we're
dealing with right now where MODA's not

1317
01:43:46,639 --> 01:43:50,639
fixing things and I wish we could, it's
just going to be a balance of all these

1318
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,920
things that we're going to have to look
at. And this is a, you know, 5, 10, 20

1319
01:43:52,639 --> 01:43:56,960
year program that we're looking at. So,
I think that's the other part that we

1320
01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:59,440
have to just be mindful of as we do go
through this important work over the

1321
01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:02,639
next, you know, month, uh, with the
budgeting that's coming up. These

1322
01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:06,639
capital plans are great. They're really
important, but things move fast also.

1323
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:09,920
So, we can't just be looking at it as
short term. It's both of those things

1324
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:13,440
together. But again, I love the fact
getting back to a deeper level of really

1325
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:17,040
understanding because it helps us. I
think that's the opportunity for us up

1326
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:22,000
here to get more educated so we can make
better decisions.

1327
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:27,040
» Any other comments? All
>> had a question.

1328
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:34,159
Does anyone remember how much the Eddie
Park sidewalk cost and how is that was

1329
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:37,840
that a mile? Was that uh
>> well it was going to be on the other

1330
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:41,920
side of the street and in the courtyard
residents didn't want it in their

1331
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:45,440
backyard but at the end of the day so it
did cost

1332
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:50,639
» how many lineal feet of our
>> it was about 4 to 500,000 I think we had

1333
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:52,560
35,000 from the school district
>> it was a donation

1334
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:56,880
» can you repeat that please
>> it was about 4 to 500,000 and I believe

1335
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:59,920
we had about 35,000 granted from the
school district

1336
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:02,639
» okay and said 4 to 500,000
>> 425 500,000. Yes.

1337
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:06,880
» Yeah.
>> And do you know was that a mile or do we

1338
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:11,119
know how many lineal?
>> I'd be surprised if it was a mile. Um

1339
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:14,080
» at the most at the most.
>> Sincerely eyeballing it. I'd go half a

1340
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,600
mile.
>> Yeah.

1341
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:19,360
» Half a mile.
>> Yeah. Right up from that bank all the

1342
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:23,679
way up to the school. I And there was a
retaining wall in in involved in that

1343
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:30,400
with the bank.
>> So there's a lot of things to consider.

1344
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:34,480
» We paid for that with ARPA funds.
four years ago.

1345
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:35,920
» It sounds about right.
>> Yep.

1346
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:40,880
» Thank you.
>> Any other questions? Any other items

1347
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:45,760
under general discussion? If not, I'd
ask for a motion to adjourn.

1348
01:45:42,639 --> 01:45:51,600
» I make the motion. [laughter]
>> Second. Second.

1349
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:57,520
» Motion was made from seconded from
Alderman Akens. All in favor? Hi.

1350
01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:03,360
» Hi.
>> At 7:46.

1351
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,360
Thank you all.