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That's the thing.

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We're not

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That's really important.

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Everyone

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confusion.

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some of it's

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Facebook.

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Here's the resolution.

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Exactly.

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Here's the job description.

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for a while.

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Chair

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some of the previous information.

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I don't even

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Does this

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That's

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All right.

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Official

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That's true.

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I didn't know it was heard.

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email.

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There's one out there.

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How do you say?

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Yeah, I got

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I did

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something.

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You Remember?

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What the hell?

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I'm sure

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you feel

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I mean, what I know about

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Everybody

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Good evening everyone. It is 6:30 p.m.

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So I will call the Tuesday, August 18th

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meeting of the Superior Common Council

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to order. Please rise for the pledge of

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>> allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible with liberty and justice for

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all.

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>> Will the clerk please call the role?

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>> Councelor Ledine

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Anderson

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>> here.

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>> Vice President Moffett [clears throat]

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Sweeney

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Radkkey

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>> here. Councelor Elm

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Caven

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>> here.

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>> President Heric

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Herring

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Graskki

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>> here.

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>> We have a quorum.

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» Item 4.1 is the approval of the August

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4th, 2026 regular common council meeting

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minutes.

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>> Motions by councelor Elm, the second by

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councelor Anderson. Is there discussion?

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Hearing none. All those in favor, please

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signify by saying I.

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>> I. Those opposed say no. The motion

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carries.

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>> Item 6.1 is a report from Mayor Payne.

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>> Okay. Good evening again, councilors. Uh

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the only thing on my report is to finish

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our priorities based budgeting process.

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So, what you uh Justin should have

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passed out a few items uh which will

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include a an example, a printed example

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of how the priorities based budgeting exercise will work. Do not use

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this paper form. You're going to be

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taking this online. We'll send you the

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link uh either well first thing in the

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morning. That's what you will use. Uh

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then you got an addendum to the

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prioritiesbased budgeting survey. And

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what this is meant to do is to help you

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explain and understand how to vote if

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there were specific priorities that you

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wanted to pursue. So, in a minute, I'm

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going to open it up to any questions

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anybody has or any comments anybody has

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on any of uh proposals you may have

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authored, especially uh but if you were

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to look closely through this draft of

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priorities based budgeting, the first

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thing I'm going to point out is that you

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will uh notice that many things that you

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might have expected to see will not be

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on here. So, some of your specific

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proposals will not be on here because

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they they fall within categories that we

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will budget for later. So, I'm going to

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explain how this works. Uh, and and of

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course, we can answer questions

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afterwards, but you're going to

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participate in once you get the link,

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you're going to participate in five

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exercises. All right? So, the first

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well, the first is your name. So, I hope

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everybody gets that right. Uh the second

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is to rank your overall spending

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priorities.

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The the most significant interplay that

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we will see in the general fund

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budgeting process is the relationship

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between the general fund and the capital

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improvement plan. Many cities in

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Wisconsin include that capital plan as

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part of their general fund. We do not.

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But it's a separate budget. It's a

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separate document. But those two relate

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to each other because all of the revenue

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comes from the same source. There are

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many sources of revenue, but it is

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allocated to those two budgets. So what

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we need from you is which of them is

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more important to you? What kind of year

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do you want this to be? And so you're

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just going to rank one, should we just

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spend less on everything and reduce the

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levy? Okay, that's that's one option.

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you could you could choose for example

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to divert terminal tax to the general

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fund for an increase in operations or

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divert terminal tax to the CIP for an

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increase in capital spending. The reason

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we describe uh highlight specifically

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terminal tax is it's the most

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discretionary revenue. On the whole our

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levy is completely obligated to the

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general fund. In fact the levy doesn't

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come close to covering all the expenses

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of the general fund. We have several

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other revenue sources that that we use

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to accomplish that. We will use some cap

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uh uh to oil pipeline terminal tax for

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the general fund. How much will be set

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by you? The CIP on the other hand mostly

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relies on terminal tax. Every once in a

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while there are other uh uh grants and

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things but they're pretty spotty. Most

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of that money is terminal tax. Okay? So

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don't worry too much about the tax

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that's funding it. What I want you to

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think about when choosing between

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capital or operations or general fund is

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what the kind of things you want to see

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funded. Most of the general fund is

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taken up by staffing. The vast majority

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of that fund is staff wages and

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benefits. So, as you look at your

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priorities uh later on, if you think

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you're going to be supporting many more

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staff positions, there are many staff

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positions on this priority ranking

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sheet. If that's where your priorities

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are, then you're probably going to want

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to elevate the general fund in this

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second exercise. If on the other hand,

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you want to do the big projects. Several

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of you actually recommended big

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projects, sports complexes, parks

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improvements, then you're going to want

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to make sure that the capital

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improvement plan is well funded. Okay?

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So, think about that a little bit

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carefully. And again, if neither of

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those matter to you very much and you

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want to just reduce the levy, you can

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elevate that as well. Uh this is just

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going to give us a general sense of

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where the council is at. Okay, it has it

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does not influence the later priorities

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based budgeting. So then the second part

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of the exercise uh and this is where you

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are it's going to be challenging. You

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are not going to have as much fun as uh

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I I promised earlier in the process when

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you can ask for anything you want and

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money is no object. It's definitely an

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object. Now, uh so in uh exercise number

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three, you're going to rank your general

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fund items in order of priority. You

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have 10 choices. As you can see, there

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are far more than 10 choices available.

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You are going to leave things off the

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list. That's what makes this so

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difficult. And so I I have to give you a

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couple of warnings here, though. I think

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I gave this at our committee of the

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whole at the last meeting. If the

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council as a whole does not prioritize

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something, it will not be funded or it

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will see reductions in funding. The this

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has not been a problem for years, but

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early versions of this, I heard

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councelor say, well, you know, the

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mayor's not going to defund streets

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maintenance. The mayor's not going to

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defund the police and fire equipment and

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vehicles. No, I would not choose to do

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that, but if you do, they will be

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defunded. And so you do have to exercise

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some responsibility and fund those uh uh

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principal services that are funded

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year-over-year. Now when we allocate the

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scores later, the things that do get

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funded on an annual basis uh the things

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that have been in the budget before like

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those uh like existing staff positions

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or uh I'm sorry that in the capital like

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uh police and fire vehicles those are

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going to get higher scores. Similar

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similarly, if something has been

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proposed in years past, uh even if it

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wasn't funded, that will get a higher

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score. Uh an example in the general fund

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is the fire marshall that's been

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proposed for a few years now by the fire

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chief uh and councelor Leadine. If uh

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those of you that vote for it, those

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that's going to get higher points

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because it's something we've been

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considering now for several years.

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Whereas those brand new proposals that

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you just brought up in uh the last few

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weeks, those are not going to get very

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uh any bonuses to their scores and they

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are far less likely to be funded. That

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doesn't mean you shouldn't support them

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because if you support them this year,

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same as the fire marshal, it's going to

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gain in strength as the years go on. In

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other words, the things that are most

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vetted are the things that are more

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likely to be funded. But uh overall,

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it's going to be your collective

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priorities that drive this. So 10

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choices in the general fund and then the

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capital improvement plan is exercise

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number four.

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Uh this is where you're going to see a

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lot of your priorities kind of

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disappeared and that's why this addendum

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is important. So I want to teach you how

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to do this. Look carefully at this

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because many of you have proposals. The most common is uh parks

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improvements. Many of you requested

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parks improvements uh and or have in

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years past. you will not see, for

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example, the Barker's Island fishing

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pier or Guj Park or Hammond Park uh uh

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listed on the capital uh spending items.

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So, for example, councelor Caven wanted

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to see improvements to Hammond Park. She

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won't vote for that directly. That's not

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on there. She's going to vote for parks

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improvements. Okay? And then what

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happens if enough of you support parks

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improvements even if all of you value

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different projects parks improvements

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overall is going to get elevated then

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it's going to get more funding and then

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you as a council will will decide how

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that funding is going to be allocated at

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a later date. So the point nothing gets

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passed in the budget they only get

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funded. So, in other words, uh if

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everybody supports parks improvements, I

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shove a bunch of money into that line

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item and then you you spend it later.

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So, you don't have to worry about if if

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some of you like Guja Park and some of

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you like Hammond Park, that's not

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something you're fighting about now. You

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are in agreement that you like parks.

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Okay? And that is true for each of these

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other things. Uh they uh and you'll see

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these bold categories. parks

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improvement, marina improvements,

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historical properties, uh the equipment

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and vehicles, streets improvement, uh

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sidewalks, the IT fund. Those are broad

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categories that you would uh generally

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support. And then fin uh same thing

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here, you have many more than 10 to

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choose from. There were a couple of

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items that are so unique that they they

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don't fit neatly in a a broader category

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or they would be difficult to fund in uh

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even if they were in that category. An

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example is the pedestrian bridge/archch

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over highway uh 2 and 53 which was

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proposed by in some version was proposed

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by councelor Sweeney and Leine.

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We could conceivably put that in

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sidewalks funding. Folks, we're never

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going to use sidewalks funding to do

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that. uh we have to build sidewalks with

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that money. And so even though that is a

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sidewalk, I want to know, do you

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actually want to do this? And if this

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gets a bunch of votes and we're going to

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just allocate direct spending for it.

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Okay. Uh I know I've said a lot there.

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And I'm sorry, the last uh section is

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the uh grant funding. There are several

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forms of grants uh including a new one.

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Um and we just went ahead and made this

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hard for you as well. You have uh what

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five potential grant categories. You got

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to pick your top three. And so that

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again, there are several of you I know

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that have been very passionate about

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these grants, have worked on these for

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years. So, sorry about it. We're going

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to have to make some tough choices. So,

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just uh choose the ones that you love

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the most. Again, nobody will hold it

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against you uh that you didn't uh if

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some didn't make the cut. That is just

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the nature of budgeting. Okay. Uh rather

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than list all of these, I'm going to see

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if anybody has any questions right now

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about how this will work. Councelor

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Grass. Um, at our last meeting, uh, you

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know, some were on paper, some were

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verbalized. Um, should we just reference

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the last meeting in order to understand,

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um, just if there's like a project

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that's listed just to kind of, uh,

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follow through the committee, the whole

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>> Yeah. And what we can do, I think we've

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got a a super complete packet as of

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today. Sure.

353
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>> So, if anybody wants to see that, just

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shoot uh myself or Justin an email and

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we'll send that right out. Yeah, I know

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it's a lot. So, I just appreciate the

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work from your office and just trying to

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also kind of verbalize other tools that

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we can use as a group to make sure we're

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not getting too stuck on this. So, I

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appreciate that.

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>> That is a fair point. I had to refresh

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myself several times as I was doing

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this.

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>> Other questions? Councelor Caven.

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>> Um, I did see that there are some um

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items that have uh double asterisks. Is

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there any u like the purpose for the the

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double asterisk?

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>> Remind me [clears throat] the asterisk.

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>> That is you might get.

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>> Yes.

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Um, so if you look through the

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capital investment programs that are

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listed there, they've got the double

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stars, right? Then if you go to the last

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page, that's the addendum. So everything

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listed in bold here on the last page,

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that is going to be the asterisk.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Categories

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for the dean.

383
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>> Um, question, mayor. Um, five, uh, grant

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spending. Um, I guess my question is I

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don't see the recreation event grants.

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Are we just

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>> good?

388
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>> Um, assuming now from my standpoint, if

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you just want to assume we're going to

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fund those, then that's fine.

391
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>> No, I'm going to add it on there. That's

392
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a good catch. Uh, well, so before we

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send this out in the morning, we'll add

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the wreck grants that there is an

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argument for not because they have some

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dedicated funding. There's a portion of

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the hotel motel tax that is specifically

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reserved for parks and wreck and I had

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uh uh intend I I may assign that money

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to it but at the same like how much it

401
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gets the council should be weighing in

402
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on that. So we'll add the wreck grants

403
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by morning.

404
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It's going to make it harder. There's

405
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one more to choose from. Not councelor

406
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Moffet.

407
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>> Can we can we I sent those descriptions

408
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uh of the my budget items um after the

409
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last meeting. Can we push those out to

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counselors rather than having them

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request them? Sure.

412
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>> Okay. And a few of the things that I had

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requested aren't on here. So, just

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curious if they fall under other

415
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categories or and I want to make sure

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that if they don't get funded this year,

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I get my bonus points next year. So, um,

418
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the regional bioolids resource recovery

419
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feasibility study for ESD, the superior

420
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legacy fund, the community stabilization

421
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fund, the solar feasibility engineering

422
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study for the library,

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uh, I think the other ones are on here.

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So, okay. Uh, let me There is

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the legacy fund. Yes, I apologize. I did

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miss that. Uh,

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and then the the bios that's ESD. So

428
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since those are enterprise funds, we

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will do that as a separate process.

430
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There were a few ESD requests. They're

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just not part of this at all. They'll be

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totally separate. But yours will be a

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part of that process.

434
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>> And the community stabilization fund.

435
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Can we put that on here? Also,

436
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>> remind me that briefly the difference

437
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between that and the and the legacy

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fund.

439
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:23,119
>> Yeah. So, the legacy fund is setting up

440
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a long-term uh essentially like

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permanent fund or endowment for this

442
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city um that would grow over time and we

443
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wouldn't touch the principal but would

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be able to receive essentially like

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dividends from that um each year in the

446
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future um to prevent future property tax

447
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increases and kind of stabilize our

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long-term financial outlook. Being that

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we have sources of revenue right now

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like the terminal tax that are

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potentially not permanent, um it would

452
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allow us to have a backup mechanism to

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continue to fund capital expense

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projects in the future if we lost some

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of that revenue. Um the community

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stabilization fund is essentially the

457
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concept that our uh neighbors out there

458
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are uh struggling financially a lot of

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them uh and they get stuck uh going for

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credit card payments on things or

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highinterest loans. Uh, and this would

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allow us to team up with local uh,

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credit unions or local banks, offer um,

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small low interest loans essentially to

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community members for emergency

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purchases, whatever like that. So, okay.

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Uh, I'm the legacy fund will fall under

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uh, capital because it uh, it's an

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intermittent funding program. So, it'll

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look a lot like the economic development

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fund or the affordable housing fund. So,

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that's where that will fall. And unless

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you have strong objection, I am going to

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put the community stabilization fund

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under the grants because it appears to

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function very similar to the small

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business grant.

478
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,880
>> Yeah. In a way, it would offer it would

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essentially work as a revolving loan

480
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fund. Okay.

481
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>> So, we could set like however amount we

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want like into that fund. We would team

483
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up with banks and then let's say we put

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$100,000 in and that would be available

485
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for small loans or whatever like that.

486
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But essentially those people would pay

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the loans back, right? And so then you

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know the money would be revolving. Um

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the question is just like how much we

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funded is how many people are impacted

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by the amount of money that's available.

492
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Right? So like how the amount of loans

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we could do is greater based on the

494
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amount of money we put in. So

495
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okay other questions or discussion?

496
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Anything else I've missed?

497
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Okay. Again, feel free like even by the

498
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end of this meeting, as you know,

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counselors, I always linger afterwards

500
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if if other questions come to mind as

501
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:39,599
you're just kind of scrolling through

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this and then we'll we'll put out the

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full version in the morning with those

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changes. Uh it will accompany the entire

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packet. Uh as well as this addendum. You

506
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,040
don't have to worry about keeping this

507
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if you want to recycle it on the way out

508
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,920
the door. And uh as always, feel free to

509
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,680
reach out if you have questions either

510
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,200
over the phone if you want to pop in for

511
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,920
a quick meeting uh uh to discuss how

512
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it'll work. Uh and if you're curious,

513
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,680
pull up last year's budget book,

514
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especially the new counselors, and you

515
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,839
will see how this looks in the end, how

516
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you are going to be represented in the

517
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budget book because uh while we are

518
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,000
looking at what your collective goals

519
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are, your individual goals will be

520
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,000
published in there. And so you're going

521
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,240
to get a little profile of what if you

522
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,640
were writing the budget by yourself what

523
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it would look like. And you'll notice

524
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even at the uh very back end of this

525
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,200
priorities process, you got a little

526
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,359
chance to make a a bit of a statement on

527
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:35,280
the budget and your priorities. And that

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00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,560
will go in the budget book as well as your picture. So make sure that

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is up to date and looking good. Any

530
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:44,400
further discussion?

531
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,240
Councelor Sweeney. Um whether it be in

532
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,560
the general fund or not, there are names

533
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,319
of council mentioned it, but there are

534
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,640
others that have no name. Is that from

535
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,920
management?

536
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,680
>> Uh you can assume that. In fact, some of

537
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,079
the council proposals were also proposed

538
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by management. So, uh like you see

539
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,800
councelor Leadine's name next to the

540
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,000
fire marshall. Well, of course, the fire

541
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,640
chief proposed that as well. And so that

542
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,000
was just sort of the last minute

543
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addition we threw in there because this

544
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was one of the

545
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,359
bigger years for council participation

546
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:23,040
and in terms of ideas. And so Justin

547
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,359
actually insisted on that that uh you

548
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,760
should get credit for your ideas. I was

549
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,079
a little nervous that uh you might it

550
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:31,440
might lead you to use your relationships

551
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,800
with each other and vote for the people

552
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,040
you like instead of the ideas, but he uh

553
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,599
he trusts you quite a bit more.

554
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,870
>> Thank you.

555
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,880
Any further discussion or questions?

556
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,030
That concludes my report.

557
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,599
Item 7.2 is the business of the public

558
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,839
works committee with a meeting held on

559
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:56,000
August 6th. Is there a report from the

560
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,280
chair?

561
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,800
>> Yes, there is. Just a short one. Thank

562
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,800
you. Thank you very much, uh, chair. Um,

563
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,319
the recommendations from the public

564
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:05,200
works committee meeting on August 6th.

565
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,520
Um, you see a recommendation to wave the

566
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,280
bidding requirements for the repair of

567
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,160
the SS Meteor. Um, SS Meteor has a

568
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,560
cracked hull and we're hoping to wave

569
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,079
the bidding requirements and give that

570
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,720
to Frasier Shipyard. Total quoted cost

571
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,680
of $29,900.

572
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,599
Nice side

573
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,640
mention on that. Frasier shipyard was

574
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,200
originally the ones who built the whale

575
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,040
back and now are the ones repair and

576
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,200
possibly repairing it. if if we decide

577
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,960
to approve that that I throw that one

578
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,920
out there. Um 4 point um or our other

579
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,000
recommendation was to approve the 2026

580
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,559
hot mix asphalt proposals. Um those are

581
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,000
in the minutes from from the public

582
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,119
works committee meeting. Um we also have

583
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,480
a recommendation to award the

584
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,240
engineering design contract for the

585
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,400
North 28th Street grade separation

586
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,040
project and that would go to to SRF

587
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,880
consulting group. um public works was uh

588
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,599
lucky enough to u um to go out find

589
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,960
whatever but to be awarded um a uh 2.4

590
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,119
million dollar grant um to look at this

591
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:12,400
um possible design at 28th Street. The

592
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,000
big one um looking at that is um the

593
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,359
possibility of a viadok um over over the

594
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:22,480
railroad tracks there. Um this grant

595
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,440
came with an 8020 match. um 80% feds,

596
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,760
20% from the city. The railroads um

597
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,119
kicked in half of the city match um on

598
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:36,720
that. Um this has the possibility of

599
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,480
being a critical um transportation hub

600
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,440
um as far as smoothing out uh traffic

601
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,240
congestion there along those. So, we

602
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:51,839
look for your recommendation on that or to approve that. And then uh lastly

603
00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:55,200
um the the committee recommends that a

604
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,839
uh resolution be published uh for a

605
00:49:57,839 --> 00:49:59,680
referendum question to be placed on the

606
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,640
April 2027 ballot. Uh the question is

607
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,400
related to the city reclaiming the water

608
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,480
utility um from Superior Water, Light

609
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,440
and Power. Um this follows the uh

610
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,760
process under Wisconsin state statute

611
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,720
that uh lays out the whole whole thing

612
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,440
for the process of reclamation.

613
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,599
um under state law that uh this res this

614
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,280
resolution must be passed to be

615
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,920
published um at this meeting and then

616
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,400
also be voted on at at a subsequent

617
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,040
meeting um be before getting on the

618
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,640
ballot. That that is the state um law

619
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,480
for um referendums. Um, this also

620
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,960
follows the uh proc the reclamation

621
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,559
process like I stated under state

622
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,200
statute that in order to get a hearing

623
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,680
um before the Wisconsin public service

624
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,760
commission which would set set the price

625
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,480
in stone that there needs to be a

626
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,480
successful referendum. Um that was my

627
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,880
report. I can answer any questions. I

628
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,359
will um allow the clerk to read

629
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:05,599
everything individually. Thank you.

630
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,920
>> 7.2.1 2.1 is to wave the bidding

631
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,079
requirements for the repair of the SS

632
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,240
Meteor's cracked hole and award the work

633
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:14,400
to Fraser shipyards in the amount of

634
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,559
$29,900.

635
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:17,839
>> Motion to approve second.

636
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:19,200
>> The motion's by Council Dean, the second

637
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,760
by councelor Elm. Is there discussion?

638
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,040
Hearing none, all those in favor, please

639
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,160
signify by saying I.

640
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:24,559
>> I.

641
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,599
>> Those opposed say no. Motion carries.

642
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:31,119
>> 7.2.2 is to approve the 2026 hotmix

643
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:32,720
asphalt proposals.

644
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:33,920
>> Motion to approve a second.

645
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,200
>> Motion's by council the dean. the second

646
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,160
by councelor Elm. Is there discussion

647
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,520
hearing? None. All those in favor,

648
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,200
please signify by saying I.

649
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,800
>> Those opposed say no. The motion

650
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,000
carries. 7.2.3 is to award the

651
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,920
engineering design contract for the

652
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,920
North 28th Street grade separation

653
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,960
project to SRF Consulting Group in an

654
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,670
amount not to exceed 2,464,37.

655
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,200
» Motion to approve.

656
00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:59,839
>> Second.

657
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:01,200
>> Motion's by councelor Dean. Second by

658
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,839
councelor Moffett. Is there discussion?

659
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:05,440
Uh I'm not sure. The public works

660
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,640
committee noticed that this was

661
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,400
originally as uh part of priorities

662
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,640
based budgeting. Uh this in order to

663
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,160
advance the project and getting get it

664
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,839
moving. This is no longer a part of

665
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:14,880
priorities based budgeting. If you

666
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,240
approve this tonight, it's going to have

667
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:19,440
to be in the 2027 budget. So you'd be

668
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,599
your first budget allocation. Discussion

669
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,270
or questions?

670
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,480
Councelor Sweeney. Um, I have a question

671
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,599
on the um

672
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,760
a couple questions actually on the

673
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,040
sending [clears throat] it over to the

674
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,160
uh public service commission. First of

675
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,960
all, on this uh vote, is this a bind is

676
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:41,680
this a binding?

677
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,960
>> Uh I'm sorry, council. We're still on

678
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,319
the uh the previous

679
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:46,480
>> without that.

680
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,559
>> Okay. Further discussion on the award

681
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,280
for 28th Street grade separation

682
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,520
project, which is a potential vioaduct

683
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,559
on 28th Street hearing. Uh, councelor

684
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:57,280
Herring.

685
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,599
>> Uh, just to clarify for my own

686
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,480
knowledge, the 24 million is the total

687
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,800
overall project and not just the design.

688
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,480
>> No, this is design. Uh, the the or

689
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,280
sorry,

690
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,599
>> this is only design. So, the the project

691
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,599
will be most likely tens of millions of

692
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:16,079
dollars.

693
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,319
>> Okay. And where is all that money coming

694
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:20,480
from then? That's part of just the the

695
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:21,920
8020

696
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,760
>> with 10% coming out of us.

697
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,200
>> Yeah, it's actually 9010. we pay 10% uh

698
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,960
the uh because it is an 8020 award but

699
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,880
the BNSF is covering half of our match

700
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,599
that's why it's 9010 uh the rest would

701
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:38,400
have to come from the capital

702
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,760
improvement fund and so that's what I

703
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,440
mean when I say that will have to be

704
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,960
allocated if we approve this tonight we

705
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,119
must allocate it uh from that budget

706
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:48,480
>> thank you

707
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,839
>> any uh council lady

708
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:52,400
>> if I could just clarify um or or or ask

709
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,319
a question for you to ask councelor I

710
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,160
think he was looking at if we were going

711
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,960
to build the VIA doc, where would those

712
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,520
tens of millions of dollars come from

713
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,640
for that?

714
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,359
>> Oh, who knows? The uh uh that that is

715
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:07,520
not determined. So, this uh we did not

716
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,559
lead on this project. Uh the it's

717
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,119
largely the railroad that wants to see

718
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,040
this happen. As as everybody here knows,

719
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,119
28th Street has a number of rail

720
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:21,520
crossings and uh the railroad as a whole

721
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,000
does not like crossing streets. creates

722
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,079
a lot of problems and inefficiencies for

723
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,640
them and of course for all of us as

724
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,400
well. The only solution that works for

725
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,720
everybody is to uh they would prefer to

726
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,280
just eliminate the crossings as in close

727
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,119
28th Street. That's obviously not

728
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,240
acceptable to us. So the only real

729
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,839
compromise is what the city's done twice

730
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:44,720
before a vioaduct over 28th Street.

731
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,880
They're very interested in pursuing that

732
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,960
but we're still years out. the the

733
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,480
design and engineering will take a very

734
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,280
long time and then if they want to p if

735
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,200
they want to move forward the city will

736
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,559
almost certainly have to be a part of

737
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,359
that project. Uh but there's no world

738
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:00,640
where we would be able to fund the

739
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,480
entire project. So the railroad is going

740
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,640
to have to continue to be a major

741
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,640
partner in this project. Uh so we'll as

742
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,800
time goes on if it looks like a feasible

743
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,040
project uh which I mean hey we're

744
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,319
spending a significant amount of money

745
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:18,880
just to study it. So, you know, when you study it, you hope that it's

746
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,400
going to move forward, but we're going

747
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,520
to need quite a bit of financial

748
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,040
partnership here. So, I would hope that

749
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,839
in addition to what the railroad's going

750
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:27,760
to cover, as time goes on, we get some

751
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,640
participation from uh uh maybe our state

752
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,319
government as well, but obviously no

753
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:34,960
guarantees and this is not budgeted yet.

754
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,359
The final project is not budgeted. Okay,

755
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:40,640
further questions or discussion?

756
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,319
Hearing none, all those in favor, please

757
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:43,839
signify by saying I.

758
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:45,440
>> Those opposed say no. The motion

759
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,960
carries.

760
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,400
>> Item 7.2.4 is to publish a resolution

761
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,079
relating to the water utility

762
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:53,280
acquisition

763
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,480
>> to approve.

764
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,000
>> Uh the motion is by councelor Dean,

765
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,119
second by councelor Moffett. We have

766
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:58,400
several folks signed up for public

767
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,240
comment. Uh as I introduce public

768
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,480
comment, I wanted to offer a little bit

769
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,000
more uh introduction in addition to

770
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,480
chair lean's introduction mostly to

771
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,000
explain the process so everybody knows

772
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,720
what we're doing here. Uh publishing a

773
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,160
resolution is going to be new to almost

774
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,720
everybody here, but it's not a terribly

775
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,440
strange concept. You'll notice many uh

776
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,079
of our state and federal grant programs

777
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,000
along with several other things require

778
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,880
us to hold public hearings on uh certain

779
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,880
items. And many of you will remember we

780
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,200
will take a vote here at this council to

781
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,079
set a public hearing at the next council

782
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:35,680
meeting. So we'll have a resolution in

783
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:36,799
front of us, we'll set the public

784
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:39,760
hearing. This is a similar process. So,

785
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,839
what's on the agenda tonight is the

786
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:44,720
publication of this resolution that is

787
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,359
in your packet. We uh you are not able

788
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:49,599
to adopt this resolution tonight. The

789
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,760
state statute does not allow that. All

790
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,400
you're voting on is to take whether this

791
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,480
language will get published for the uh

792
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,799
public to see so that you may take

793
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:05,119
action at uh at on September 1st at the

794
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,200
earliest. It has to be noticed for at

795
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,240
least a week. So, what is possible

796
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:11,839
tonight is if there's something about

797
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:14,880
this resolution that you see needs to be

798
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,720
changed, and I'll have at least one

799
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,359
suggestion, now would be the time to do

800
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:21,680
that because in the future, if we make

801
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,559
changes later, that will trigger another

802
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:27,040
publication. So, any changes after

803
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,079
tonight will automatically postpone the

804
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:32,640
resolution. So, uh the I I want to thank

805
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,839
the public works committee for working

806
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:37,200
on this for months. uh the and uh

807
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,720
spending quite a bit of time even in the

808
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,640
last meeting making sure this language

809
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,880
felt correct. But before I turn it over

810
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,319
to the council, I'd like to invite the

811
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:46,960
public to speak. So how this is in in a

812
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,119
moment, I'm going to invite up Cody

813
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,680
Strem. How this will work is you will

814
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,599
have three minutes and no more than 3

815
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:55,119
minutes. That is a rigorously enforced

816
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,599
rule. So, I will give you a 30 second

817
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:00,000
warning when your time is about to

818
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,640
expire and then it's a hard stop at 3

819
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,640
minutes unless the city council takes

820
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,839
action to extend the time. Uh, which

821
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:10,160
they rarely do, but counselors, as

822
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,319
always, I would encourage you if you

823
00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:14,319
want to take action to extend time,

824
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:17,760
please do so unifor uh uniformly. So, if

825
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,040
somebody gets a little extra time,

826
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,400
everybody should get the same amount of

827
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,640
extra time. Uh, that's my opinion

828
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,400
anyways. Although I would point out on

829
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,880
the whole three minutes has uh typically

830
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,559
worked. I see

831
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,880
seven people signed up to speak but I

832
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,680
will also call afterwards.

833
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,280
I'm sorry six people signed up to speak

834
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,799
on this but I'll also call afterwards if

835
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:40,079
somebody changes their mind and would

836
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,079
like to approach the podium. So unless

837
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:45,119
there are questions or objections I'm

838
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:46,160
going to move forward with the first

839
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,079
speaker who will be Corey Strem. Uh,

840
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,480
please approach the podium. Uh, um,

841
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,920
state your address for us, please.

842
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,839
The button, uh, looks like a person

843
00:58:57,839 --> 00:58:59,920
speaking. It's the third from the left.

844
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,280
There you go.

845
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,480
>> Um, I live in 11658 South Hillside

846
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,799
Street in Solen Springs.

847
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:08,640
I'm not a resident of Superior. I'm an

848
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,799
employee of Superior Water and Light and

849
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:13,920
I have been for over two decades. And

850
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,440
what I'm going to speak today is uh with

851
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,359
this trying to take over the water for

852
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,839
the city. It's really going after our

853
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:26,319
livelihoods as workers.

854
00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:28,720
It's gambling with my pension. All of

855
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,119
our pensions over the next so many years

856
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:33,280
could all be gone.

857
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,400
Um, you nobody in here has ever come by

858
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,559
to once talk to a worker, never been to

859
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:40,000
the water plant, never stopped and

860
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,400
talked to a person to ask how we like

861
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,880
working for Spir Light and Power because

862
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,640
every single one of us would say we love

863
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,799
it. It's we're treated fair, we're

864
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:50,319
treated right, and we're paid for our

865
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:52,799
jobs. I've spent many nights out there

866
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:54,960
working endless hours and storms and

867
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,880
rain to miss family vacations, sporting

868
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,920
events, concerts to put the power,

869
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,920
water, gas back on for the people of

870
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,400
Superior and my company shows a lot of

871
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,960
appreciation for that. Nobody in here

872
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,880
has done anything to talk to anybody

873
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,559
about taking over this company and

874
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,720
people are being impacted all over the

875
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,079
place.

876
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:17,839
Um,

877
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:20,240
secondly, uh,

878
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,559
working for the city, you lose all your

879
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,880
union rights. There's no bargaining. Uh,

880
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,920
it's a big thing. We're pretty IBW31.

881
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,280
We're a very strong union and, uh, we

882
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,799
stick together and the company has a

883
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:35,599
really good relationship with our union.

884
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:38,799
We've been in Spear for 137 years. Does

885
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:41,119
anybody in here know what a water boil

886
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:43,839
is? Water boil notice.

887
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:46,319
>> We can't take questions. No. Okay. What

888
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:50,000
a water boil is is when a pipe is, say a

889
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,920
main blows and doesn't get put back

890
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,520
together, right? No sectionalized, none

891
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,839
of that. Contaminations get in your

892
01:00:55,839 --> 01:00:57,359
water.

893
01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:59,839
And everybody has to boil their water to

894
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:02,000
use it. That's never happened once in

895
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,640
the 130 years water and lights been

896
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,799
here. People in Two Harbors are going

897
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:08,799
through that right now. They cannot

898
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:10,799
drink their water. So, a lot comes. It's

899
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:12,480
not just as easy as turning your faucet

900
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,000
on.

901
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,720
Um, we have a a president for our

902
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,960
company, not a CEO like you've stated a

903
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,760
thousand times, who comes back and sits

904
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,240
and talks to us employees. Comes in,

905
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,880
sits down, asks us how we're doing, asks

906
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,119
us if he can do anything to help us out.

907
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:32,000
He cares for us a lot. And I don't get

908
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,200
that from the same from the city

909
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:33,680
workers.

910
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:34,640
>> 30 seconds, please.

911
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:39,119
>> And uh let's see what else. Uh, well, the

912
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:41,680
workers the workers aren't going to

913
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,359
happily want to come in and work for a

914
01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:44,720
place that's been bashing them for

915
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,520
months, bashing the company that we work

916
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,520
for, that we take pride in working for,

917
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,760
and then you expect people to come in

918
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,520
and just work for the city like nothing

919
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,079
happened. Thanks.

920
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:09,030
>> Thank you. Up next is Joe Stencland.

921
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,200
Hi. Uh, I'm Joe Stenland, local

922
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,480
resident. Uh, 5631 Banks Avenue is my

923
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,319
address. Um, I'd like to thank Corey for

924
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:20,480
speaking up on his behalf. I think

925
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,720
perspective is always interesting and

926
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,720
such an issue as this because there's

927
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,160
there are good questions, there are good

928
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,319
um curiosities, there are um good things

929
01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:34,720
to consider with this. And I think at

930
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,799
this particular point in time um I think

931
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:39,599
there are several camps um you know some

932
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:41,200
people don't want to see anything done

933
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,480
some people want to leave things the way

934
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,319
they are. Some people don't know enough

935
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:47,200
don't what know whether it's yes or no

936
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,280
in speaking with others and attending

937
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,680
some of the um local uh workshops and

938
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,400
discussions. Um, I learned a lot and I

939
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,240
think it was very valuable and I'd like

940
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,160
to thank the Superior Community

941
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,160
Coalition for hosting their events and

942
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,680
for the city hosting their events

943
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,599
because each side is pretty passionate

944
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,680
about what they're doing. And I think

945
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,760
that it's really really important to um

946
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,599
for everybody to understand how that

947
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:13,359
process is going to work. And only

948
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:15,200
because I've attended those events do I

949
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,960
understand that there is a process there

950
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,680
just to get to the final number. And um

951
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,240
to reiterate to the public and say this

952
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,400
is what we're doing and when we get that

953
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,559
number. Um

954
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:28,400
what that means in terms of like

955
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,880
actually deciding that because um it's

956
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,119
really really important to inform people

957
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,520
about where this is going. But once you

958
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,920
trigger that process, once you trigger

959
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,319
this to happen, uh because some people

960
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:44,240
don't even want to see that, it's really important to make sure that

961
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,920
people know what's going on in this

962
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,680
process. And that was the main question

963
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,200
that I had raised about this. Um and so

964
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,359
I learn something new every time, but I

965
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:55,039
also learn kind of, you know, like how

966
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,440
personal this is for folks who are on

967
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,520
that side of the bridge, you know, um

968
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,200
working um for SWLP as well. So there's

969
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,039
a lot I I like to consider with this

970
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,440
issue as well. So just some things to

971
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,119
consider. Thank you.

972
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:17,349
>> Thank you. Next is Bill Fennessy.

973
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:18,720
» Good evening, Mayor Payne, city

974
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,680
councilors. Bill Fennessy, 52 Billings

975
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,480
Lane. I'm here on behalf of Superior

976
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,480
Community Coalition, a coalition of

977
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,559
business, labor unions, and individuals

978
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,599
who oppose the takeover. There's a huge

979
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,599
price range on the table for this

980
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:37,359
takeover. 58 million to 186 million.

981
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:39,200
Mayor Payne and some counselors appear

982
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,000
to want to approve unlimited taxpayer

983
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,160
dollars to go through the PSC process to

984
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,359
find out where the price tag lands. The

985
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:50,160
number the PSC ultimately provides does

986
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,160
not by any means represent all of the

987
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,559
legal costs. As a former PSC

988
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:55,920
commissioner told us, there are two

989
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,319
rounds of legal appeals guaranteed under

990
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:01,119
the law, each of which will take years.

991
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:02,640
Fundamental questions have not been

992
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,240
answered, including how much has already

993
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,319
been spent on consultants and lawyers,

994
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:08,400
and how much is expected to be spent

995
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,000
throughout this contested takeover

996
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,559
process. You have already spent hundreds

997
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,480
of thousands of taxpayer dollars on this

998
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,319
endeavor, and additional spending has

999
01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:18,640
already been budgeted. July 15th, the

1000
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,720
city shared that quote upfront legal

1001
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,880
costs, the city has a substantial legal

1002
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,200
fund already budgeted. End quote.

1003
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,960
Regardless if they are already in an

1004
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,240
existing account or not, they are

1005
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,400
taxpayer dollars.

1006
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,000
This is just the beginning of a very

1007
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,160
costly undertaking. The additional cost

1008
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,680
to taxpayers, including expensive

1009
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,520
outsourced attorney services combined

1010
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,839
with spending so far, will easily exceed

1011
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:41,599
half a million dollars and grow quickly

1012
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:44,000
from there. The city council should not

1013
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,160
approve the referendum tonight. Council

1014
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:47,760
has until January to put this on the

1015
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,160
April ballot if they feel the need to do

1016
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,000
so at that time. However, if you

1017
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,240
authorize this referendum, I ask that on

1018
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,079
behalf of all taxpayers, you require

1019
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:58,079
spending transparency.

1020
01:05:58,079 --> 01:05:59,359
Something as simple as detailed

1021
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:00,720
reporting of spending to date and

1022
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,880
monthly reports of ongoing expenditures

1023
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,119
by category, including internal labor

1024
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:07,440
materials. Residents and counselors

1025
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:08,720
deserve opportunities to fully

1026
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,480
understand what is at stake with this

1027
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,359
referendum, not a public debate. So, in

1028
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:14,720
the Wisconsin tradition of strong

1029
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,960
council governance, the coalition will

1030
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,640
be hosting a series of community forums

1031
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,319
that will provide multiple opportunities

1032
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:22,559
for city councilors and residents to

1033
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,599
better understand the issue. Thank you.

1034
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:33,349
Next is Dean McCall.

1035
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:35,440
Initially

1036
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,440
had two points I was going to make, but

1037
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,920
I added a third one to this. to put a

1038
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,480
face to the name. I sent a lengthy email

1039
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,799
to all the counselors and the mayor. I

1040
01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:46,799
got two responses. One from councelor

1041
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:49,200
Herring and very lengthy uh response

1042
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,280
from the mayor. Thank you for taking the

1043
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,231
time to respond regarding

1044
01:06:53,231 --> 01:06:55,760
[clears throat] the resolution.

1045
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,520
I think you're missing the point on the

1046
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,240
wording of the resolution. It's not a

1047
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,319
question of what the city can can

1048
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:04,319
afford, [snorts]

1049
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:07,440
but the whole purpose of this exercise

1050
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,400
is that supposedly there will be lower

1051
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,599
rates that customers will pay. There's

1052
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:16,880
been no quantification of this. A

1053
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,760
promise to lower the rates needs to be

1054
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,200
incorporated into the resolution so that

1055
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,079
there is stated quantifiable

1056
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:29,280
information there.

1057
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,799
You don't know what the costs are going

1058
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:32,240
to be. You can't determine what the

1059
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:33,520
costs are going to be till you have a

1060
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,599
detailed business plan. Nothing's been

1061
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:37,680
done there. [clears throat]

1062
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,359
The rates have not been approved. You

1063
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:40,799
have no idea what the costs were going

1064
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:43,039
to be. But you need to tell the people

1065
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:44,640
are going to vote on this. You're going

1066
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,960
to have lower costs. Well, words don't

1067
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,280
matter. You have to have facts. You have

1068
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,160
to have data. You have to have analysis.

1069
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,400
This has not been done. And then how

1070
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,799
will the cost be paid? [clears throat]

1071
01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:59,599
If I go to the restaurant and buy a

1072
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:02,640
meal, I am not going to be charged for

1073
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,440
somebody else's meal sitting next to me.

1074
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,240
But I live at one Whitebridge Drive. We

1075
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,559
have no wells and we have no water out

1076
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,960
there. We all have wells. Many, many

1077
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,080
people in the city have vacant lots.

1078
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,319
They're not customers of spare water

1079
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,480
light. So, should they have to pay for

1080
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:23,920
that other person's meal? No. It's just

1081
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,120
not fair. Why should you charge somebody

1082
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,520
else to pay for another customer? Yeah,

1083
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,000
there might be sa some savings, but it's

1084
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,239
still not right. You need to address

1085
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:38,159
who's going to pay what. This is

1086
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:41,520
important to consider. And also,

1087
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,239
as Bill Finennessy alluded to, as one

1088
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:47,279
wise attorney told me, this is going to

1089
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,880
be a litigator's dream. You can just

1090
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,679
imagine the attorneys just rubbing their

1091
01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:56,640
hands and saying, "This is going to be

1092
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,440
great." Kaching, kaching, kaching as

1093
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:01,040
they're going to wrap up their

1094
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,400
attorney's bills. Not $100 an hour, not

1095
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,839
$200 an hour, maybe $500 an hour. Good

1096
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:10,080
attorneys, $1,000 bucks an hour. You

1097
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,480
need to all factor that in. And then

1098
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:14,159
when you're talking about budget choice,

1099
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,560
general fund choices, hopefully this

1100
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,319
will be an item on your general fund

1101
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,560
choice so you can rank how much you want

1102
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,799
to allocate the general fund to. The

1103
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:24,880
only fair way to deal with this is

1104
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,000
through having a special assessment to

1105
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,600
spare water light customers. Thank you.

1106
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:36,239
>> Thank you. Next is Kristen Rinskers.

1107
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:38,159
If I mispronounce anybody's name, please

1108
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:43,829
uh correct it when you come up.

1109
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:46,080
Thank you, mayor. That was perfect. So,

1110
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,199
Kristen Rinskers, 12691 Sunset Lane,

1111
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:52,159
Side Lake, Minnesota. My name is Kristen

1112
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,640
Rinskers, the business manager of IBW

1113
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,600
Local 31. I was elected by our members,

1114
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,840
including those at SWLP, to safeguard

1115
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,560
their rights, history, and futures. It

1116
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,400
is the ultimate honor to work for

1117
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,400
working people. And as elected

1118
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,320
officials, I imagine you understand that

1119
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,920
responsibility.

1120
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,000
Municipalization directly affects the

1121
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,679
people operating the system and the

1122
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:15,280
futures they believed they were earning

1123
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,080
through a lifetime of service. Rafelis

1124
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,920
assumes the city could operate the water

1125
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,480
system for the same amount SWLP assigns

1126
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:25,840
to the water operations. But SWLP is an

1127
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,760
integrated water, gas, and electric

1128
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,400
utility. Its costs are allocated among

1129
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,480
three utilities. They do not represent

1130
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,719
the cost of operating a standalone water

1131
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:38,000
utility. We estimate that 43 of our 50

1132
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,800
union members touch water. Our members

1133
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,520
work across multiple utilities and SWLP

1134
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,199
distributes their costs while making

1135
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,280
their skills and experience available to

1136
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,920
each utility. The city would only

1137
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,080
acquire the water. Yet Raelis provides

1138
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,480
no staffing numbers or labor costs.

1139
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:56,480
Historical spending by an integrated

1140
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:58,960
workforce is not a municipal staffing

1141
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,760
plan. There is no credible scenario in

1142
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,600
which a takeover benefits these

1143
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,480
employees. Under Wisconsin's Act 10,

1144
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,159
transferred employees would lose

1145
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:09,679
meaningful bargaining over health

1146
01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:12,159
insurance, retirement benefits, hours,

1147
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,040
and working conditions. Their SWLP

1148
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,880
pension would stop acrewing and a

1149
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,360
separate state pension would begin. Two

1150
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,600
partial pensions do not equal one career

1151
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,560
pension. Rafellis calculated neither the

1152
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,800
loss nor the cost.

1153
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,560
suggestions that these employees could

1154
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,320
keep their union or negotiate a

1155
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,320
comparable city agreement are simply not

1156
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,560
true. Even if Act 10 disappeared

1157
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,880
tomorrow, no new agreement could

1158
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,040
recreate nearly 90 years of bargaining

1159
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,159
history. This campaign repeatedly points

1160
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:44,080
to Black Rockck as an imminent threat

1161
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,800
and casts a city takeover as the noble

1162
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,440
act that will save Superior. Despite

1163
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,679
knowing the company's partners, I do not

1164
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:53,600
know Black Rockck and respectfully,

1165
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,360
neither do most people invoking its

1166
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,800
name. It is not here. But I do know Rob,

1167
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,520
Jossi, and the SWLP leadership team.

1168
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,679
They are actual people working in this

1169
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:06,080
community. We call them, meet with them,

1170
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,320
and hold them accountable. I know

1171
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,480
Elite's leadership, including its CEO,

1172
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:11,920
whose commitment to putting people

1173
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,040
first, has been proven to us repeatedly.

1174
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,960
We do not blindly trust

1175
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:18,159
>> 30 seconds, please.

1176
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:20,960
>> Any owner or investor. Utilities should

1177
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,800
be regulated, and owners should be

1178
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,880
accountable. commitments should be

1179
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,520
enforced. As a union, we believe deeply

1180
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,000
in those principles. Major public

1181
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,920
decisions should be based on evidence

1182
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,000
and this takeover does not punish Black

1183
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,159
Rockck. Black Rockck will not lose its

1184
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:38,400
pension. Black Rockck will not lose its

1185
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,480
collective bargaining agreement, but we

1186
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:43,840
will. We appreciate your consideration

1187
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,320
and future communication. And I would

1188
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,440
love it if our SWLP local 31 members

1189
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:50,480
could stand.

1190
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:51,840
>> That is three minutes. Thank you.

1191
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,910
>> Thank you.

1192
01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:05,910
would uh I'm sorry, Dan Olsson is next.

1193
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,000
Good evening, mayor, counselors. I am

1194
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,520
Dan Olsen, 6001 Avenue, lifelong

1195
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:16,080
resident of Superior, Wisconsin and a

1196
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,159
uh customer of Spear Water, Light and

1197
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:21,040
Power. I want to address the resolution

1198
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,560
that's in front of you. Hopefully,

1199
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,800
you've got it. And and I sent you all an

1200
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,239
email earlier today. I would uh ask that

1201
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:31,600
the council amend this resolution.

1202
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,080
The current language says the very last

1203
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,360
whereas whereas this resolution was

1204
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,199
published in the Superior Telegram at

1205
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:41,040
least one week prior to the regular

1206
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,280
meeting of the Superior City Council on

1207
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,640
September 1st, 2026

1208
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,480
and and moves on to the now. Therefore,

1209
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:54,159
I'd like the the amendment to read,

1210
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:57,920
"Whereas this resolution is published in

1211
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,560
the Superior Telegram at least one week

1212
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,159
prior to the regular meeting of the

1213
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:05,760
Superior City Council on September 1st,

1214
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,920
2026 for further discussion.

1215
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,320
Now, I don't believe there's any harm in

1216
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,239
discussing this any further because this

1217
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:15,840
looks like it's going to go on a long

1218
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,719
ways. I know that there's a proposal to

1219
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:21,120
have this on the April ballot as a

1220
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,440
referendum. The deadline to get that

1221
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:28,560
onto the ballot is January 29th, 2027.

1222
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,440
We all know sitting here that there's

1223
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:33,440
going to be a lot more meetings. There's

1224
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:36,480
going to lot be a lot more discussion.

1225
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,520
So I would ask the motion maker and the

1226
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,000
person that seconded the motion to

1227
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,679
include

1228
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:46,960
this uh this change that I've made and

1229
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,960
the basic part of it is the word is from

1230
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:55,520
was published and adding the words for

1231
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,360
further discussion. Thank you.

1232
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,920
>> Thank you. Would anybody else like to

1233
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,239
speak to this item on the council?

1234
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:14,070
Please comport.

1235
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,600
Please state your name and address for

1236
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:16,320
us, please.

1237
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,360
>> My name is Jim Dolberg. I live at 16

1238
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,040
Shardy Drive here in [clears throat]

1239
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,159
Superior. I was born in Superior some 75

1240
01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:28,159
years ago. And uh to be perfectly

1241
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:30,640
forthright here, I am a former Superior

1242
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,719
Water Light and Power Company employee.

1243
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:37,760
I worked there some 41 years ago. Um

1244
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,440
I would I'm speaking because I think the

1245
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:43,440
city seems to be trying to rush this

1246
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:45,920
thing. I don't know that I've got any

1247
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,159
answers on a couple questions that I

1248
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:52,000
have with regard to uh how this whole

1249
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,719
situation with the Wisconsin PUC affects

1250
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:56,800
the fact that the well is located in

1251
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,040
Minnesota.

1252
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,120
Also, I'm wondering what happens as I

1253
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,960
believe Superior Water Light and Power

1254
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,760
Company currently play pays

1255
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,600
state, federal, and local taxes on the

1256
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,280
water utility. What taxes will the city

1257
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,600
be paying when they take it over? That

1258
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:18,880
money is going to have to be made up

1259
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,679
from somewhere.

1260
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:24,640
as as was spoken earlier, one of the

1261
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,560
things you're doing is the the people

1262
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,960
that currently work at the water plant,

1263
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,960
even if you do hire them, they're going

1264
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,440
to lose union representation. It's very

1265
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:35,280
important to me. I've been a member of

1266
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,120
the IBW for 55 years. It's been very

1267
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,440
good to me.

1268
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:43,679
It has been very good to those employees

1269
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:48,630
that may be affected by this.

1270
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,080
Again, I think you're acting way too

1271
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,920
fast for this. I don't you you when I

1272
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,159
don't know when you will know what the

1273
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:00,880
actual cost will be. I don't know if

1274
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,880
there's a possibility for anybody to

1275
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,760
back out at that point for the city. I

1276
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,920
think that need that should be known

1277
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,760
before this is put before the people

1278
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,400
and and I ask the city councilors

1279
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:20,080
to consider if it ain't broke don't

1280
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,040
break it. Thank you.

1281
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,280
>> Thank you. Would anybody else like to

1282
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,400
speak in public comment?

1283
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,760
Would anybody else like to speak to this

1284
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,880
publication? Would anybody else like to

1285
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,760
speak to this resolution?

1286
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:42,400
Hearing none, I will proceed to council

1287
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,120
discussion. Again, councilors, we have a

1288
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,280
motion and a second. Uh first, I'm just

1289
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,800
going to open a general discussion and

1290
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,120
questions. I do have one potential

1291
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:54,560
change that I'll suggest in a moment

1292
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,080
though, but it's uh I think relatively

1293
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:00,239
minor. So, discussion. Councelor Hering.

1294
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:04,080
Um yeah, one of my big concerns um

1295
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,320
couple of them is one I feel we're

1296
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,360
moving too fast and we need to look at

1297
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,760
it. A rush thing usually means bad

1298
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,719
choices or it's not as good as it seems.

1299
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:16,800
So it's uh you're trying to make it go

1300
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,159
through. Um one of my biggest questions

1301
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:22,400
and a lot of the residents have been

1302
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,679
asking is what is our hard cut off for

1303
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:28,320
the spending? Um, I know what we can

1304
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,080
afford up to, but you know, if Raphelis

1305
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,880
came in at 58, are we saying if they

1306
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,760
come in, if the P

1307
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:42,719
the uh PUC or PSC comes in at 72? Is are

1308
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:44,960
we still there? Are we going to 100?

1309
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,840
Like, we need a number an exit plan

1310
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,679
before we start. That's all part of a

1311
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:52,480
business management plan. um we haven't

1312
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,480
I haven't seen in other things but with

1313
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:56,719
this price tag I feel that it really

1314
01:18:56,719 --> 01:19:00,800
needs to to be there. Um and then the

1315
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,239
other one is as was brought up by uh one

1316
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,120
a couple of speakers is the people that

1317
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:11,520
don't currently have water or sewer. Um

1318
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,920
you know what how are they going to be

1319
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,520
affected? How are we going to pay? And

1320
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,199
before you say well it's only it's

1321
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:19,760
coming out of our rates and all that. We

1322
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,520
all pay storm water protection acts for

1323
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,960
no storm water protection and um for the

1324
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,320
water in the s the well and holding tank

1325
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,120
or septic customers. So and then of

1326
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,960
course we're paying already higher for

1327
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,480
wastewater dump fees. So you know that's

1328
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:40,159
granted now it's not a huge part of the

1329
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:42,239
city that deals with that but it's just

1330
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:44,800
main concerns that I haven't gotten

1331
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,360
answers for and the residents haven't

1332
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:51,840
either. Uh I believe you asked me two

1333
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,600
questions. The first of which is what's

1334
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,920
the cuto off number? Many uh many people

1335
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,920
at uh first there is there's no

1336
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,360
reasonable person that can say that this

1337
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:00,880
has been a rush process. We have been

1338
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,960
working on this for years. We've had

1339
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,600
multiple public meetings uh where we

1340
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,600
took questions from the public uh both

1341
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,239
in committee and we have ventured out

1342
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:12,000
into the public where I stayed for as

1343
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,520
long as everybody asked me to stay and I

1344
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,679
answered every question. Uh this

1345
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,760
referendum is in my experience I believe

1346
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,920
the third potential referendum front of

1347
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,159
the city. The the first two one was to

1348
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:25,440
allow ATVs on all of city streets. The

1349
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:27,920
other was to change the city government

1350
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,800
to make the mayor a part-time role. Both

1351
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,960
of those referendums went directly to

1352
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,640
council were immediately passed and

1353
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,040
placed on the ballot without even seeing

1354
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,120
committee. So this process has been

1355
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:40,880
probably more exhaustively studied than

1356
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,840
almost any other city issue. Uh, of

1357
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,600
course we have a long way ahead of us.

1358
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:46,960
This is not the completion of the

1359
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,880
process. This is merely the beginning.

1360
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,239
Everything until this point has been

1361
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:53,600
introduction. Uh, but the in terms of

1362
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,840
what is the cut off, what is the most we

1363
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,040
would pay? I've been asked that question

1364
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,640
a number of times and I've answered it a

1365
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,960
number of times with what my opinion is.

1366
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,640
I think you have all heard that answer.

1367
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:08,719
Most of you have been in attendance at least uh one of the uh uh public

1368
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:10,239
meetings that I have answered that at.

1369
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:11,840
And of course, I would answer any of you

1370
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,440
if if you want my opinion. But the fact

1371
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:15,600
is my opinion doesn't matter nearly as

1372
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,520
much as yours does. So I hope any

1373
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,440
counselor that has been asked that

1374
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:22,239
question has given an answer because it

1375
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:24,880
will be your duty to make that decision.

1376
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,440
If the number is too high in your

1377
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:30,000
opinion, then this does not move

1378
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,560
forward. Once we see the number from the

1379
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,080
public service commission, the city

1380
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,520
council determines whether that number

1381
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,320
is an uh is something that we can afford

1382
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,239
to pay and something that we should move

1383
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:44,239
forward with. The second is what is the

1384
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:47,280
impact on nonwater customers that are

1385
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,120
taxpayers within the city. They benefit

1386
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:50,960
as well. Uh everybody in the city

1387
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,120
benefits from this. Everybody in this

1388
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,840
city, every taxpayer pays water rates

1389
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,639
because the city of Superior itself owns

1390
01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:00,880
several buildings including a uh several

1391
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,199
fireh halls and we have significant

1392
01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:05,679
water bills at the city of Superior. So

1393
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:07,600
does Douglas County. So does the school

1394
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,520
district of Superior. All own buildings

1395
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,400
all pay the highest water rates in the

1396
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,719
state of Wisconsin. All of those costs

1397
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:17,040
are passed on to taxpayers. So I'm not

1398
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,199
promising a tax decrease because of

1399
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:22,239
water utility acquisition. uh the tax

1400
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:24,560
burden on the city of Superior, Douglas

1401
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:25,760
County, and the school district of

1402
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,520
Superior all go down once we eliminate

1403
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,480
or reduce uh those water fees. Uh we

1404
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:34,080
would still probably pay them to our own

1405
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,400
utility as we do with wastewater. Uh so,

1406
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,239
but they would go down and so everybody

1407
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:40,239
would experience that impact. And then

1408
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:41,920
finally, I just want to uh make a brief

1409
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,000
defense of uh the environmental services

1410
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,520
division. The entire city benefits from

1411
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,440
this uh storm water fund. The storm

1412
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:49,199
water fund does not just do storm water

1413
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:51,040
mitigation on private individual

1414
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,360
properties. It's preventing flooding for

1415
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,920
uh throughout the entire city and so it

1416
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,679
uh creates significant facilities that

1417
01:22:57,679 --> 01:23:00,000
help offload water that would otherwise

1418
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,760
wash out roads and cause significant

1419
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,360
property damage. So everybody is

1420
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,199
benefiting from that. Uh I hope I've

1421
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:06,480
answered those questions. I will move to

1422
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:08,480
councelor Anderson

1423
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:09,760
or I'm sorry I'm sorry. Councelor

1424
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:10,800
Hering, I'm going to recognize you still

1425
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,400
have the floor if you'd like to respond.

1426
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,800
>> Yeah. What was your number just for the

1427
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,840
record of what you would go to for the

1428
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:18,560
purchase?

1429
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,920
>> So the the city's debt capacity is 138

1430
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,520
million. That is the max that we can

1431
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,679
take out at any given time. What that

1432
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:29,440
capacity is at the point that uh at the

1433
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:31,360
point that we would be in a position to

1434
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,840
take out the bond is a moving number

1435
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,600
because the city's financial health has

1436
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,920
been growing steadily. so that uh our

1437
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,520
potentially upper end number grows with

1438
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,280
the financial health of the city. That

1439
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,320
said, at this point, I think anything

1440
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,560
under roughly

1441
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:52,400
$100 million as long as it was financed

1442
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,320
by a revenue bond, which this would be,

1443
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,560
and as long as it was only paying for uh

1444
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,120
the existing fair market value, uh which

1445
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,040
it would be, that's all it would be. Uh

1446
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,760
that would be a financial asset to the

1447
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,520
city. It would be financially beneficial

1448
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,719
if the sale were today, but again, time

1449
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:10,800
changes that question most likely for

1450
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,880
the positive.

1451
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:13,520
>> Thank you.

1452
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,600
>> Councelor Anderson, did you still have a

1453
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:16,080
question?

1454
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,000
>> Yep. I just have two questions. Well, it

1455
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,320
might be bad. Maybe I have three, but

1456
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,239
the first question, um, how much has the

1457
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:25,760
city already spent on, um, consulting

1458
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,679
and attorney fees? I believe we have uh

1459
01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:31,360
I believe the initial raft talis

1460
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,239
appraisal was about $150,000.

1461
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:35,520
Counselors might remember that more than

1462
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,320
I will. Uh attorneys fees a few thousand

1463
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,880
for uh consultancies. In fact, that will

1464
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,400
be a bill that as that we'll be

1465
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,960
presenting to you or a a retainer that

1466
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,120
will present you with more outlined

1467
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,880
legal costs for the next few months. And

1468
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,880
then we'll probably re-evaluate that if

1469
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,600
and when the referendum passes uh to

1470
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,679
come up with a broad legal strategy for

1471
01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:00,080
uh uh the contested case hearing. The

1472
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,840
reason it's small now is because right

1473
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,440
now we're just getting advice like how

1474
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:05,199
to form a question like this. What is

1475
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,520
the uh process? We're learning and our

1476
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,880
attorneys are functioning as a little

1477
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,000
more than legal teachers right now. when

1478
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,600
we go into a contested case hearing

1479
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,520
that's much more involved but that's

1480
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,679
something that you know many communities

1481
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:20,000
have been a part of before these are

1482
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,679
common thing contested case hearings

1483
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:23,199
while they don't usually involve the

1484
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:25,199
acquisition of entire water utility they

1485
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:27,520
are common events at the PSC so uh I I

1486
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,040
do imagine a a bill but right now it's

1487
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,520
not I I don't believe it's much higher

1488
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,960
than that consultant fee

1489
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,719
>> councelor

1490
01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:39,440
I have one more question

1491
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:40,960
>> oh I'm sorry please councelor Anderson

1492
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,800
>> um how much do anticipate the city will

1493
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,520
be spending to go through the process of

1494
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,600
acquiring the utility?

1495
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,639
>> That's hard to say exactly, but it is uh

1496
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:51,760
certainly narrower than some of the

1497
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,360
numbers you've seen. I think uh you've

1498
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,440
seen numbers as high as like 15 million,

1499
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,679
which it won't be that. Uh the Wisconsin

1500
01:25:57,679 --> 01:25:59,440
process only allows a contested case

1501
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:02,480
hearing first, followed by a right to an

1502
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:05,440
appeal. So, uh there is a limited amount

1503
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:07,600
of time that can take. It's tough for me

1504
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,600
to put a specific number on that, but

1505
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,560
when we bring a firm's retainer, a not

1506
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,840
to exceed uh uh could probably be

1507
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,920
negotiated. Uh but I do expect there

1508
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,239
will be a real legal bills. I'm not

1509
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:21,280
going to pretend that there aren't.

1510
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,520
Obviously, this is a litigated process

1511
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:28,790
and so I think it is reasonable.

1512
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,880
Do you want to dare venture a guess?

1513
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,639
>> I do not.

1514
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:33,440
>> Uh [snorts]

1515
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:37,199
yeah, I better not either. I think um I

1516
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:40,880
looked at a city that's spent in a much

1517
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,000
more hostile state to this process. A

1518
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,480
state that does not allow cities to

1519
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:47,760
automatically acquire their water

1520
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,920
utilities. In fact, requires a much more

1521
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,480
extensive legal process. I saw that city

1522
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:55,040
recently spent $4 million on legal fees.

1523
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,280
So, call that an upper number. Uh that

1524
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,880
then would of course uh uh be placed on

1525
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,320
the rates at the point of acquisition.

1526
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,159
So that's that's all factored into the

1527
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:04,639
transition.

1528
01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:05,600
>> Can I ask one more,

1529
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:06,000
>> please?

1530
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,880
>> Okay. So in the I I'm going to say it

1531
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,800
wrong. The Rafa Tillis study it says

1532
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,040
that utility will be paid entirely by

1533
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,120
revenue bonds I think is what you've

1534
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,639
said. But on the resolution it says um

1535
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:21,679
that you want to authorize or we want to

1536
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:24,080
authorize general obligation and revenue

1537
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,000
bonds as well.

1538
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,199
>> Yes. Uh I I added uh general obligation

1539
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:31,199
bonds mostly to preserve the flexibility

1540
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:33,199
of the council. Ultimately that's a

1541
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:35,840
council decision. Rafelis would almost

1542
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,760
certainly recommend revenue bonds. Our

1543
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,199
bond adviserss would almost certainly

1544
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:41,040
recommend revenue bonds and I'm very

1545
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,880
highly to recommend revenue bonds but uh

1546
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,239
I don't want to leave financial options

1547
01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:50,239
on the table. when we come to make a

1548
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:52,159
large capital purchase especially one

1549
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:55,040
this large you are always advised by

1550
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:56,880
your bond adviserss so you're not

1551
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,199
looking for advice from me or Rafelis

1552
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:01,040
you're looking for advice largely from

1553
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,800
Ellers for how to structure that and

1554
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,600
what that would really that the I don't

1555
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,280
imagine a world as I just said where

1556
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:08,880
general obligation bonds are a better

1557
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,800
bet but there are some scenarios where

1558
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,239
you could structure it in a way that the

1559
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:16,400
interest might be beneficial uh in the

1560
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,600
shorter or long term so but I'm I'm not

1561
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,280
capable of giving that advice right now.

1562
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:22,639
The point of adding that in there was to

1563
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:25,840
preserve options in the long term.

1564
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,920
Any further council?

1565
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,880
Excuse [clears throat] me. Um, as far as

1566
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,639
I understand it, this proposed

1567
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:37,360
referendum is non-binding.

1568
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,760
Um, I think a little time needs to be

1569
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,600
spent on explaining this process.

1570
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,280
citizens. I think there's some maybe

1571
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,280
confusion. A lot of referendums that are

1572
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,600
put out there have a dollar amount on

1573
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,239
it. So, it's like is this the cart

1574
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:55,440
before the horse? So, but Wisconsin

1575
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:58,560
state statute is clear from section uh

1576
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,239
197.02. It's action by municipalities to

1577
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:04,560
acquire the utility. The first step is

1578
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,040
the referendum of vote of electors. This

1579
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,679
helps determine u the majority of

1580
01:29:09,679 --> 01:29:12,560
electors do we move forward. Then if

1581
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,440
required the circuit court determines a

1582
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,280
necessity proceeding. This brings the

1583
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,239
action concerning the nec necessity of

1584
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:23,520
the taking. Uh number three there's a

1585
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:27,040
notice to the PSC. Uh the municipality

1586
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:30,400
gives notice to the utility and the PSC

1587
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,760
and that's under section 197.03.

1588
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,400
Then uh the PSC has a valuation

1589
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,000
proceeding

1590
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,880
and then it goes to the PSC to do to

1591
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,040
determine the price. It's my

1592
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,120
understanding that once that price is

1593
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,080
determined, there's still 60 days that

1594
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,400
the city could back out. It's just I

1595
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,239
think if you could spend a little more

1596
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:55,040
time on that process to clarify maybe

1597
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,080
any confusion that's out there. Sure. I

1598
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,760
have some follow-up questions.

1599
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,600
>> Yeah, sure. I I think you did a very

1600
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,120
good job, counselor, of describing it.

1601
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,639
Um, working backwards, I would make a

1602
01:30:04,639 --> 01:30:07,679
very minor correction. It's not so much

1603
01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:10,880
that the city has 60 days to back out.

1604
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,440
The city has 60 days to produce the

1605
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:15,520
payment. And so, the city actually has

1606
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,840
to take overt action within that 60

1607
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,520
days. So, we would have to work pretty

1608
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,760
hard to even be prepared to do that.

1609
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,600
Now, obviously, we're going to prepare

1610
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,159
months and months in advance of that,

1611
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:29,120
have that prepared. The default is

1612
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,120
actually not to do it. The city has to

1613
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,840
approve this multiple times along the

1614
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,000
way and the council can back out at any

1615
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,440
point. Uh however, before engaging in a

1616
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:43,280
process this large, the uh uh the

1617
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,840
statute as you mentioned requires the

1618
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,080
electors to authorize it to move

1619
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,880
forward. So as you said correctly, we

1620
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:54,320
cannot get the number from the PSC

1621
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,480
beforehand. But there is one thing I

1622
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:58,719
want to clarify. It would be I agree

1623
01:30:58,719 --> 01:30:59,920
with those that say it would be

1624
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:03,600
irresponsible to go forward blind. We

1625
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,080
should get a sense of what this cost.

1626
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,560
That's why we spent $150,000

1627
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,120
for an appraisal. And one of the uh

1628
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,440
things that I confess to being a little

1629
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:16,000
amusing in this process has been an

1630
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,400
effort to pretend as though the Raftelis

1631
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:19,920
report was not accurate or that there

1632
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:21,760
are two competing appraisals out there.

1633
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,920
are not. There is only one

1634
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,159
appraisal out there. Uh there was

1635
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:27,360
another number released at something

1636
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,760
like 187 million that was not an

1637
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:34,320
appraisal that did not use evidence uh produced that was publicly available

1638
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,880
at the PSC. It did not use professional

1639
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,120
appraisal standards and it is not

1640
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,000
admissible in a contested case hearing.

1641
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,480
Our appraisal is admissible and all of

1642
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:45,840
you were there for this process council.

1643
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:47,920
Well, most of you uh so I don't know

1644
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,440
that I have to remind you but Rafelis

1645
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,920
was selected in a competitive process by

1646
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,080
this council and the mission that we

1647
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:59,199
gave Rafelis was to give us an unbiased

1648
01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:00,719
number. So you know I did not select

1649
01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:03,440
Rafelis you did and you specifically

1650
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:06,000
asked for the real number. You hired

1651
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,840
that firm to give you an accurate number

1652
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,040
not a lowball number. We also looked for

1653
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,679
uh a highly respected and qualified firm

1654
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:16,080
and we checked their work in the past.

1655
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,560
So, Rafelis has a long history of

1656
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,280
producing professional appraisals and

1657
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,320
they are largely accurate. They're uh so

1658
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:28,239
they've been proven correct over and over again. So unless for some

1659
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:31,440
reason they're just lying or uh uh

1660
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:33,600
trying to manipulate this process and

1661
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:35,120
risking their entire professional

1662
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,840
reputation, I imagine that number that

1663
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,199
$58 million number is as accurate as

1664
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:42,880
every other appraisal they have they

1665
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,920
have conducted. So we have done that due

1666
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,480
diligence. That is the most likely and

1667
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:51,199
the most accurate number. That does not

1668
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:53,440
mean it will be the number. We uh when

1669
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:57,920
we go to the PSC there will uh there is a long process where we we

1670
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:59,840
debate this. Superior waterline power

1671
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:01,840
gets to present evidence. So do we. Uh

1672
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,239
Rafelis will pre present their argument.

1673
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:06,639
Uh and then time will also pass the the

1674
01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:10,480
value of that asset u may have changed.

1675
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:12,000
They may they have they are likely to

1676
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,000
have added to the value of that asset or

1677
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,679
other elements may have depreciated by

1678
01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:18,320
the time we get to the PSSE. So this is

1679
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:19,920
the beginning of the process. This is

1680
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,520
what the statute requires. I I hope I

1681
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,120
didn't talk too long there, but I think

1682
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,880
you kind of asked me to explain a link.

1683
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,159
Uh follow-ups, please.

1684
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:30,560
>> And again, if the referendum fails, none

1685
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,800
of those steps happen beyond that. This

1686
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:33,360
is done.

1687
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:34,480
>> That is correct.

1688
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:36,080
>> So, I think that's uh there's a lot of

1689
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,800
phases to that. And personally, I'm not

1690
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,880
comfortable not putting the referendum

1691
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,440
to ballot cuz going through this

1692
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:45,920
process, uh, I would not want to inhibit

1693
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,159
the voice of the citizens on how we want

1694
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:50,400
to move forward. Uh, I know there's a

1695
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,000
lot of details I still need to learn.

1696
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,920
I've been going to almost every meeting

1697
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,800
I can to learn about this uh, and make

1698
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,960
the right decision. Uh, there's a lot

1699
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,600
impacted and a lot at stake here. Uh,

1700
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,360
but this is the survey that's

1701
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,920
non-binding that uh, would help us move

1702
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:10,159
forward. Um, back to uh Dan Olsen's uh

1703
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:14,560
modification request. Uh um I'm Can can

1704
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:18,000
you help guide us through that request?

1705
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,159
I I'm not seeing the merit of adding

1706
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:23,280
discussion when each agenda item can be

1707
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,600
discussed anyway. Am I mistaken by that

1708
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,120
or did I miss something?

1709
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,679
>> No, you were correct. I believe

1710
01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:31,280
conceivably that would be out of order

1711
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,000
because amendments cannot do the same a

1712
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,560
motion can't do the same thing as

1713
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,800
nothing and so you're correct this when

1714
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,880
this comes back to the council it is

1715
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,880
discussion is automatically allowed you

1716
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,199
know this is Robert's rules of order so

1717
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:48,000
uh this will be discussed at uh when it

1718
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,960
comes back to council um I also disagree

1719
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,199
with changing the tense of the sentence

1720
01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:56,400
uh this was uh written largely by our

1721
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,600
attorney's office and uh the past tense

1722
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,639
was published will this will be past

1723
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:05,040
tense at the point you approve it. So

1724
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:08,400
you write resolutions so that they are

1725
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,600
grammatically correct at the moment

1726
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,679
after they are passed. So that's that's

1727
01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:15,120
why that's in the past tense. Just a

1728
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,360
minor grammar point but I I agree with

1729
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,040
the original author here.

1730
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,440
>> Thank you.

1731
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:22,719
>> Further discussion from councelor

1732
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:24,639
Sweeney.

1733
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:26,719
My first uh is going to be a statement.

1734
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:28,560
Um

1735
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,639
what we do today seriously affects

1736
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:33,520
tomorrow and what we bond for today

1737
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,000
seriously affects what we do in future

1738
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,639
years be it this large amount. We are um

1739
01:35:40,639 --> 01:35:44,000
perhaps um the word crippling is too

1740
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,960
strong a word, but we are certainly uh

1741
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,600
holding back some future capital

1742
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,920
expenditures if we're going to come

1743
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:57,440
close to our uh loan amount. Okay.

1744
01:35:57,440 --> 01:35:59,360
And so

1745
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,280
this amount that the companies come up

1746
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:02,800
with spare water light has another

1747
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:04,480
number

1748
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:07,600
is this figure that with whatever that

1749
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:11,600
figure is is this for capital only.

1750
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,280
No, there are a few other elements such

1751
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:17,840
as going concern built into it. It's generally

1752
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,800
the statute calls for a payment of the

1753
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,040
fair market value of those assets

1754
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,159
necessary and convenient and uh to the

1755
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:28,239
operation of the water utility and

1756
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:32,719
because this is uh it is not technically

1757
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:35,040
a condemnation process. It is its own

1758
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,199
process in the statute but many parts of

1759
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:39,840
it refer to the condemnation process. So

1760
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,560
we imagine there will be uh case law

1761
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,560
from condemnation

1762
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,840
applied to uh the the contested case

1763
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:48,960
hearing. So there are a few other

1764
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,199
elements to the value that Raph Talis

1765
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:52,880
has added in. So it's not just but what

1766
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,040
we are taking are the physical assets.

1767
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:55,760
Yes.

1768
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,880
>> Okay. So basically it may not be 100 but

1769
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,400
basically it's capital.

1770
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:00,960
>> Yes.

1771
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:02,480
>> Okay.

1772
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:09,600
And if we're the whatever the number is, that a turnkey amount? Then we can

1773
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,600
January one we start it's a turnkey.

1774
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,560
We've got all all the equipment, all the

1775
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:19,040
assets fixed and whatever that we can

1776
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,040
start operating a business with the

1777
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,960
correct capital as of the day we

1778
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,440
purchase that. Is that a fair statement?

1779
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:28,800
>> Uh that is that is fair. Yes. But uh we

1780
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,199
we've expressed that several times

1781
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:33,040
internally because it sounds a little

1782
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,280
bit extreme that just one day we own a

1783
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:36,719
we don't own a water utility and the

1784
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:41,040
next day we do. And however um the one

1785
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,119
other element of the statute is that the

1786
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:46,159
PSC also sets terms and conditions of

1787
01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:49,920
the transition. So yes, it is turnkey.

1788
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:51,280
we get everything at the point of

1789
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:53,199
acquisition, but the PSC is also

1790
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:55,440
describing how that acquisition will

1791
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:58,080
work and a lot of that is negotiated.

1792
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:59,679
>> Okay. I'm thinking on the other side of

1793
01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:02,320
the coin, I'm thinking it's while we

1794
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:03,920
purchased

1795
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,239
turnkey so-called, there's still more

1796
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:09,600
capital that must be for any more

1797
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:11,840
capital expenditures that is not on the

1798
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,719
table with this number.

1799
01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:16,880
is that to our knowledge is this this is

1800
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,080
a turnkey deal and we in theory then if

1801
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,560
I hear what people are saying the day

1802
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,119
that January comes we turn key we we

1803
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:26,880
don't need to put another dollar into

1804
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,320
the capital to run this utility is that

1805
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:31,600
fair to say

1806
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,000
>> yes actually and I know that that sounds

1807
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,480
like a reach like there we should need

1808
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:38,000
other things but the statute's very

1809
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,960
clear it's all uh equipment and assets

1810
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:42,320
necessary and convenient to run the

1811
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,719
water utility and so yes it's We

1812
01:38:44,719 --> 01:38:46,320
shouldn't need to put another dollar in

1813
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,080
until we do more infrastructure of

1814
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:48,560
course.

1815
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,080
>> No, I'm I'm saying that yep

1816
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:53,119
>> January 1st we started December 31st we

1817
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:56,320
don't own January 1st we own it. We have

1818
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,159
public service commission has deemed the

1819
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:00,560
mount that is to operate this with all

1820
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:01,760
capital needed

1821
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,679
>> to the same yes to the same degree that

1822
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:05,360
the current water utility is operating

1823
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:06,880
it. Yes.

1824
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,440
>> And then I've talked about this before

1825
01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:11,520
but I I've yet to see an operating

1826
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,760
statement too. Okay. and and I think

1827
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,280
that's a extremely critical piece. In

1828
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,400
fact, in one of my um

1829
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:23,440
this I I suggested that we hire our

1830
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:25,280
accounting firm to look at these, okay,

1831
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,199
to put another set of eyes on that. I

1832
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:28,719
don't know whether that where that will

1833
01:39:28,719 --> 01:39:31,600
go or it'll make it, but um I just think

1834
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,679
there's not enough I don't have enough

1835
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:35,199
information

1836
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:38,000
uh to vote on this one way or the other.

1837
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,280
I I just think there's too many um

1838
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,800
unknowns for me to support this at this

1839
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,600
time. I'm not saying I won't, but I uh

1840
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,199
it isn't what I know, it's what I don't

1841
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:50,800
know that always bothers me. I've said

1842
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,239
that enough times. So, um I'm extremely

1843
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:56,000
concerned that I just don't have enough

1844
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,360
information right now. Thank you.

1845
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,920
>> Further discussion,

1846
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,040
councelor Hick.

1847
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,199
>> Yeah, just a couple comments here. So

1848
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:08,239
for the PSC to look at this, it has to

1849
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:11,280
go to to the referendum. Correct.

1850
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,040
>> Yes. The next uh the next step is

1851
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:14,880
referendum followed by PSC. So for us to

1852
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,679
acquire more information that uh without

1853
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:20,000
spending money unnecessarily, the next

1854
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,600
step is to go to the PSC. That's where

1855
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,440
we answer a lot of the questions that

1856
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:26,000
have been asked. So in order to ask the

1857
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,000
questions that many people are to get

1858
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,480
the true and final answers to the

1859
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:32,080
questions that many folks are asking

1860
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,119
including several of you the public must

1861
01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:37,760
approve a referendum.

1862
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,080
>> Okay. Then do we what would the cost be

1863
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,960
roughly from now let's say you know the

1864
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:45,360
people want us to go forward from now

1865
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,639
until it gets to the PSC. So what what I

1866
01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:50,239
mean is there cost for the PSC to

1867
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:52,239
actually do this themselves or is there

1868
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:53,760
something I mean what costs are

1869
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,480
associated with that that process

1870
01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:58,080
>> get to the PSC there's actually not much

1871
01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,760
more cost so between now and the

1872
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:01,920
referendum there's not a lot left to

1873
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:04,639
spend uh this we have as I said before

1874
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:06,239
we've spent years acquiring this

1875
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:08,000
information learning about this process

1876
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,679
it's time to turn it over to the people

1877
01:41:09,679 --> 01:41:11,360
there's not much more we can collect now

1878
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,280
the city council can continue to discuss

1879
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:14,960
this and evaluate it and if you want to

1880
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:16,880
be availed of more consultants or legal

1881
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,440
advice will absolutely provide that the

1882
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:25,280
uh but it between now and the referendum

1883
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,520
there shouldn't be much more cost once

1884
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,040
it [snorts] goes to the PSC that's

1885
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,800
what's called a contested case hearing

1886
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,760
that works a lot like a a trial in that

1887
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,600
there's evidence and witnesses and so

1888
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,840
then we would have legal fees that

1889
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,080
ultimately would be rolled into the cost

1890
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:41,920
of acquisition.

1891
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,080
>> Okay. So basically if we said yes we

1892
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:45,840
were interested then that's when

1893
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:46,159
>> Yes.

1894
01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:50,159
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you,

1895
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:52,080
>> Councelor Graskki.

1896
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,400
>> Okay. It's clear that there's going to

1897
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:55,679
be a lot of steps to this. I think

1898
01:41:55,679 --> 01:41:57,600
that's what this council has been asking

1899
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,480
a lot. But this is a draft that we're

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01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:02,560
voting on and let's say it approves

1901
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,679
tonight. The next meeting is when we

1902
01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:08,480
vote to pass a referendum to be put on

1903
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:09,760
the ballot. Is that correct?

1904
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:10,719
>> That is correct.

1905
01:42:10,719 --> 01:42:12,835
>> Thank you.

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01:42:12,835 --> 01:42:15,270
[cough and clears throat]

1907
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:16,880
Uh, one of the most important things to

1908
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,000
council lady and and I think councelor

1909
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,960
her councelor Elm and councelor Graskki

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01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,760
hit the nail right on the head before we

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01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,880
move forward and um it's important we're

1912
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,440
not buying nothing tonight. We're not

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01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:33,760
approving bonds.

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01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,400
We're not looking at costs. The ultimate

1915
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,520
question is, do we publish this to where

1916
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:42,480
we come back next meeting and vote to

1917
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:44,719
put this on a referendum to let the

1918
01:42:44,719 --> 01:42:48,639
people of Superior decide what they want

1919
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:51,920
to do to move forward? And that is where

1920
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,639
we are at in this process right now.

1921
01:42:54,639 --> 01:42:58,080
That I fullheartedly

1922
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,719
agree with putting this to referendum

1923
01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:03,760
and seeing what the people of Superior

1924
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:05,679
want to do with this. This is the

1925
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:08,320
process. I don't know what the cost is.

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01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,760
None of us know what the cost is. The PSC won't give us a cost until after

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01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:13,679
a referendum.

1928
01:43:13,679 --> 01:43:16,080
But it is important that the citizens

1929
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:21,520
are involved. It's it is their utility.

1930
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It is their water that they are paying

1931
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for. It is them that have been paying

1932
01:43:28,239 --> 01:43:30,880
the rates for years and it is their

1933
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,040
decision to make as far as where they

1934
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:37,040
want to go with that and they will have

1935
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,199
the ultimate choice in this. If it's a

1936
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:41,520
no, it's done and and then if it's a

1937
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,159
yes, then then we move forward. But I I

1938
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:46,000
do believe

1939
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,119
a res a referendum to allow the people

1940
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:54,159
to decide is always a right thing to do.

1941
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I'll just point out at the next meeting

1942
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,719
that doesn't actually pass this either.

1943
01:43:58,719 --> 01:44:00,960
The only the public can pass this. The

1944
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,280
uh if if this moves to the next meeting

1945
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,520
and uh the council adopts the

1946
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:06,880
resolution, it does not buy the water

1947
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,639
utility. It does not spend any money. It

1948
01:44:08,639 --> 01:44:10,400
places a question on the ballot for the

1949
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:13,360
public to set the next steps for the

1950
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,600
public to weigh in. This council has

1951
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,960
discussed this for years. Uh it this is

1952
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,560
an opportunity for the people of

1953
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:22,719
Superior to have their say to determine

1954
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:24,239
if we should be spending this much time

1955
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:26,320
on it or if we should spend much more

1956
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,800
time on it. I think uh it's just their

1957
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,360
turn. Uh I think we have talked about it

1958
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:32,639
enough. It doesn't mean we have to stop

1959
01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:34,080
talking about it. Of course, we'll keep

1960
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:35,840
talking about it and do everything we

1961
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,480
can to keep educating folks uh about

1962
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:41,040
this question, what it means. And that's

1963
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:42,560
why

1964
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uh uh I wanted to bring this resolution

1965
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:48,800
now because setting the question now

1966
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,199
gives more time for the public to study

1967
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:52,800
that question, learn that it's coming,

1968
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:54,480
for it to be covered in the press, for

1969
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:57,679
folk to to trigger more questions, for

1970
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:03,189
more folks to get more answers.

1971
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:06,320
I would like to suggest

1972
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:09,040
two amendments. The first I think is

1973
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,239
relative. I don't think either of these

1974
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:12,000
are controversial. And so I am going to

1975
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,440
ask unanimous consent.

1976
01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:17,119
I'm going to ask unanimous consent to

1977
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:18,400
make an amendment to this resolution.

1978
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:19,440
For those of you that don't know what

1979
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:21,600
that means, what that means is I believe

1980
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,520
that all 10 of you will easily agree

1981
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,560
with what I'm about to suggest. Uh

1982
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:27,679
councelor Cait, why don't you take the

1983
01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:28,159
floor?

1984
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:31,199
>> Um I just had one uh question. um if

1985
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:33,600
this goes or when it goes to referendum,

1986
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,239
whatever that looks like, um you you

1987
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:37,679
know, we're talking about um you know,

1988
01:45:37,679 --> 01:45:40,480
having our our uh citizens vote. Um what

1989
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:45,119
is the pass? Like is it like 50.1%

1990
01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:51,600
like just curious um like looking at the scheme of of um the this journey um

1991
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,159
I'm just wondering for clarification's

1992
01:45:54,159 --> 01:45:57,280
sake, what is the passing referendum?

1993
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:58,719
Actually, there's a part of that

1994
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:01,600
question I can't answer because 50% plus

1995
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,960
one passes. If there are

1996
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:10,719
1,000 votes, 501 votes in favor, uh I'm

1997
01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:13,040
sorry, if there are more yes votes than

1998
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,239
no votes, the plurality wins. Okay? So,

1999
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:17,520
if there are more yes votes than no

2000
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,199
votes, that passes. It doesn't have to

2001
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:22,480
be for 50% of the total vote. Uh I don't

2002
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:24,080
know what happens in a tie for a

2003
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,880
referendum. [snorts] Probably fails.

2004
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,960
My guts say fail right now. Yeah,

2005
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:30,320
without having researched,

2006
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:32,400
>> right? Ties happen in Superior,

2007
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,080
Wisconsin.

2008
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,440
>> I probably not in a citywide race, but

2009
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:38,560
that's a good question. Thank you for

2010
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,000
asking that. Did uh any anything

2011
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,040
further? Okay. So, as I was saying, I'm

2012
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:44,960
going to uh make request a motion by

2013
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:46,800
unanimous consent. What that means is I

2014
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,800
believe that what I'm about to suggest

2015
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,520
the entire council will agree with and

2016
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:52,480
therefore we don't need to have

2017
01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:53,679
significant debate. Even though I'm

2018
01:46:53,679 --> 01:46:54,880
talking it out right now, I want folks

2019
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:56,880
to It speeds things along in the future,

2020
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:58,880
even though I'm slowing it way down now.

2021
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:00,800
Uh, so all I'll do is I will request

2022
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:03,920
unanimous consent. I will say the

2023
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:05,920
amendment, describe it, and then I will

2024
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,159
ask, does anybody object to that? If you

2025
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:11,040
even have a question about it, raise

2026
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,360
your hand or say object, and then I will

2027
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,199
call for a motion to see if it's

2028
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:17,760
discussed. I we only use this when I

2029
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:18,400
expect something to be

2030
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:21,119
non-controversial. And uh so this first

2031
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:22,639
one conceivably could be or could

2032
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:24,880
trigger some questions, but I will ask

2033
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,920
unanimous consent to strike the third

2034
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:31,440
paragraph which reads, "Whereas superior

2035
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:33,679
water, light, and power is not open to a

2036
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:35,600
negotiation of a voluntary sale of

2037
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,320
utility and counselors. At first I

2038
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,080
agreed with that because that to my

2039
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:43,440
knowledge is true today. that may not be

2040
01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:45,280
true tomorrow and I would like to

2041
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,360
continue to keep the door open for

2042
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:50,239
possible negotiation. So I I think it is

2043
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:53,360
in our interest to at least keep that

2044
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:57,440
option available to all parties. So I

2045
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:00,320
will ask does anybody object to striking

2046
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,870
the paragraph I just read?

2047
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,600
Hearing no objection that amendment is

2048
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:09,760
passed by unanimous consent. The second

2049
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:12,320
is the question itself. So, this is a

2050
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:13,920
little bit more involved, but I would

2051
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,000
like to make a grammatical change. The

2052
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:17,600
attorney and I were talking about this

2053
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,800
today, and I I could describe this

2054
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:22,800
wrong. So, if there's uh somebody that's

2055
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,880
more of a grammar nerd than I am, feel

2056
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:26,000
free to correct me, but I think there

2057
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,000
was a dangling modifier, which there's

2058
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,840
nothing wrong with this question. It is

2059
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:31,119
perfectly legal. It's been reviewed by

2060
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:33,040
the attorneys, and it it does work

2061
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:34,560
grammatically, but the goal is to make

2062
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:37,040
it as clear as possible. So I would like

2063
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:41,520
to reorder it uh to make it exactly

2064
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:44,400
clear uh what is happening. And so what

2065
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,719
I would do is

2066
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:51,520
strike and amend so that it reads after

2067
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,560
the word event that the value of the

2068
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:58,400
utility comma as determined by the PSC

2069
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,639
public service commission comma falls

2070
01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:03,840
within the city's financial means that

2071
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:05,040
uh the effect of that amendment

2072
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:09,440
counselors is to clarify that the public

2073
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:11,360
service commission is determining the

2074
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:15,280
cost not who determines whether not

2075
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:16,800
whether it falls within our financial

2076
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,719
means only you determine whether it

2077
01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:20,080
falls within our financial means. So I

2078
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:21,760
wanted to clarify that point. Does

2079
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:24,560
everybody understand that?

2080
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:26,639
Does anybody object to that amendment?

2081
01:49:26,639 --> 01:49:27,760
>> Can you reread it please?

2082
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,880
>> Yes. The the amendment, if adopted, uh

2083
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,520
would the entire question would read,

2084
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,280
should the city transition to a

2085
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,600
community-owned water utility in the

2086
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:40,159
event that the value of the utility as

2087
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:41,520
determined by the public service

2088
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,679
commission falls within the city's

2089
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:46,159
financial means.

2090
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:50,719
Is there objection to that change?

2091
01:49:50,719 --> 01:49:52,239
Hearing none, that amendment is adopted

2092
01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:54,560
by unanimous consent. councilors. Uh

2093
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:55,840
I'll give you a chance to think of more

2094
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:57,360
questions while I redescribe the

2095
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:00,080
question before you. The motion is to

2096
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:03,840
publish this resolution as amended uh

2097
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:08,800
for at least one week and uh prior to

2098
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:11,600
the a uh the September 1st city council

2099
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:13,760
meeting. So once it has been published

2100
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,840
for one week, it is eligible to return

2101
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,880
to the city council. At that point, it

2102
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,360
will be a new resolution which will

2103
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:23,360
still require a motion, a second, and a

2104
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,239
majority vote of the council. From that

2105
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:29,119
point, the res uh the ballot question is

2106
01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:32,639
set and we are in a referendum. However,

2107
01:50:32,639 --> 01:50:34,480
at any point between now and the

2108
01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:37,040
deadline to change the April election,

2109
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:40,159
which falls in the spring, the uh the

2110
01:50:40,159 --> 01:50:42,719
council can uh bring this resolution

2111
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:45,360
back. You can amend it in any way. You

2112
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,199
can change the question. You can change

2113
01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:49,199
the date of the election. You can resend

2114
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:51,679
the election altogether. This starts a

2115
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:53,280
process, but it is subject to more

2116
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:55,520
change. Of course, I am going to

2117
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:58,080
strongly recommend that once you adopt

2118
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:02,560
the question, which is not tonight, you should preserve that question until

2119
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:04,800
the election so that the council so that

2120
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:06,960
the public can can study it in its

2121
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:08,239
entirety and have the most amount of

2122
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:10,400
time. Does everybody understand what

2123
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:11,600
we're doing tonight? What the what

2124
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:13,840
you're voting on,

2125
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:14,880
Council Harry?

2126
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:18,560
>> Yeah. So if we approve this tonight, we

2127
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:21,440
can still make amendments to this. This

2128
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:23,840
is not a final draft than that we're

2129
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,600
approving. Correct.

2130
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,360
>> It

2131
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,920
that is correct. But amendments will

2132
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,960
work differently going forward. So first

2133
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:35,760
from this point forward, well including

2134
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,400
right now, any change to this means it

2135
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,520
must be republished. So if on September

2136
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:43,599
1st we make more changes then we have to

2137
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:45,280
publish it for another week and then

2138
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,119
comes back. But of course that's no

2139
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:49,040
different than postponing something. We

2140
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:50,560
postpone things all the time. So if you

2141
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:53,119
get to September 1st and we feel like h

2142
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:54,639
we should change the language here a

2143
01:51:54,639 --> 01:51:56,960
little bit. Uh then that's you'd be

2144
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,119
postponing it for a meeting. Um that's

2145
01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:01,280
why you know I recommend have this

2146
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:03,199
language tight which only the therefore

2147
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:06,320
section is what really matters and is

2148
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,840
binding on the administration. But yes,

2149
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:13,520
you can change it then and uh you can uh

2150
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:15,119
the motion is actually called amend

2151
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:17,119
something previously adopted. You can

2152
01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:19,040
change it in the future as well. It will

2153
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,000
require publication. Uh but yes, any

2154
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:23,599
pretty much any point between now and

2155
01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:26,000
the deadline that can happen. It's a

2156
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,360
long way of saying yes, you have it

2157
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:29,679
correct.

2158
01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:31,679
Further discuss

2159
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:34,239
counc again

2160
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:36,639
>> just for my curiosity what is the

2161
01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:40,080
benefit of passing this tonight versus

2162
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,880
waiting a few more weeks to let some of

2163
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:46,800
the more um city or not city the the

2164
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:51,119
council meetings or the um um the the

2165
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:53,520
discussions the forums about the the

2166
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:57,440
purchase take place. Uh the merit is

2167
01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,840
that it preserves the most amount of

2168
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:02,719
options. So if you publish tonight, that

2169
01:53:02,719 --> 01:53:04,320
gives you the opportunity to set the

2170
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,000
referendum at the next meeting. It does

2171
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:07,679
not require you to set the referendum at

2172
01:53:07,679 --> 01:53:10,080
the next meeting. But I still think that

2173
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:11,440
would be a good idea. That will be your

2174
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:14,639
choice, not mine. But uh the the

2175
01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:16,800
advantage of putting the question out

2176
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:18,960
now is when we go to those public

2177
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,360
meetings, we know what we're discussing.

2178
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:22,960
We know exactly what that question will

2179
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,119
be. every time I appear in front of a

2180
01:53:25,119 --> 01:53:27,199
public meeting now, I will be able to

2181
01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:29,840
put that question right on the wall and

2182
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:32,080
make sure folks know what it means. So

2183
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,400
there's no more mystery about that. And

2184
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,400
so it just just makes sure we all know

2185
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:40,400
what's coming. And uh I was going to say

2186
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:42,400
the the the shameless advantage, but

2187
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,719
it's not shameless at all. Uh when you

2188
01:53:44,719 --> 01:53:46,960
do it, the press covers it. The second

2189
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:48,320
you set the referendum, that's news.

2190
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:49,760
That will be in the news that the

2191
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:51,599
council set the ballot. And it goes

2192
01:53:51,599 --> 01:53:54,480
other places, too. it uh uh it goes play

2193
01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:57,520
like ballad balledia. It will it will be

2194
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,560
an election in Wisconsin. And finally,

2195
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,480
maybe most importantly, it triggers

2196
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:04,800
Wisconsin campaign finance law. There

2197
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:06,719
are a lot of folks spending a lot of

2198
01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:08,560
money trying to influence the public on

2199
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:13,599
this question. And state law really, wants transparency in its

2200
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:15,679
elections. And those of us that are sp

2201
01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:18,800
uh spending money ought to be uh uh

2202
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:20,400
keeping track of that and eventually

2203
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:21,920
reporting it to the Wisconsin Election

2204
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:24,639
Commission to make sure that uh all

2205
01:54:24,639 --> 01:54:27,840
electors are treated fairly. So it just

2206
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:32,550
starts the process in its fullest.

2207
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:35,040
Further discussion council muffin.

2208
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:36,560
>> Yeah, just a couple of things. I wanted

2209
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:38,960
to reiterate how important that is to me

2210
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:41,199
in this process. like I I we've been

2211
01:54:41,199 --> 01:54:42,800
working on this for a couple years now

2212
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:46,000
and moving to this next step allows that

2213
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:47,920
transparency for the public on who's

2214
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:50,000
spending what and I think that's really

2215
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:51,360
important because they want to know

2216
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:54,080
who's trying to influence them. Um just

2217
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:55,360
a couple other things I wanted to

2218
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,599
mention like again tonight we're we're

2219
01:54:57,599 --> 01:54:59,920
not voting on the purchase. The superior

2220
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:02,400
council uh can't choose to purchase the

2221
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,239
utility. We're only voting to publish

2222
01:55:04,239 --> 01:55:06,960
tonight and then

2223
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,119
later we would be deciding if we want to

2224
01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:10,960
ask the residents their opinion and then

2225
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:12,239
if the residents want us to move

2226
01:55:12,239 --> 01:55:14,159
forward, we would move forward. So this

2227
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:15,599
is just like the next step in the

2228
01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:17,679
process. We're not deciding to purchase

2229
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:19,520
tonight. We're not taking out bonds or

2230
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,840
anything like that. It's just moving us

2231
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:23,440
in the direction where we can ask the

2232
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:25,119
residents what they want. And I think

2233
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:30,400
that's the right thing to do. Um, and I do want to reiterate also what the

2234
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:33,760
mayor said about uh the flexibility this

2235
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,760
gives us because we can modify this

2236
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:39,599
later if we want to. We can pull it away

2237
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:41,840
uh or or whatever we want. uh we've got

2238
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:44,000
a lot of um opportunities to continue

2239
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,920
discussing it or modifying it or

2240
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:48,480
whatever until January which gives us a

2241
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:50,080
lot of time but this does provide

2242
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:51,840
transparency for the public to

2243
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:54,159
understand like what are we working on

2244
01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:56,719
exactly here and it provides that money

2245
01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:58,320
transparency so they know what people

2246
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,480
are spending

2247
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,480
uh as we've been working on the water

2248
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,679
utility it's also important to me um

2249
01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:08,400
that we've also been looking at our

2250
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:11,280
electric and gas um utility facilities

2251
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:14,960
in the city as well. And we we do have

2252
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:16,960
uh numbers back on the cost of those,

2253
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:19,520
but we do not have rate analysis back.

2254
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,800
And ultimately like the prices of these

2255
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:26,000
things are less important than how they

2256
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,239
affect people's payments, right? And so

2257
01:56:28,239 --> 01:56:31,040
like I I think if you tell somebody how

2258
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:33,040
much something costs total, like yeah,

2259
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:34,400
sure that's a number, right? But they

2260
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,080
want to know like how did how does it

2261
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,239
affect their expenses every month? They

2262
01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:40,719
want to know, is this going to cause my

2263
01:56:40,719 --> 01:56:42,800
um rates to go up or whatever. And like

2264
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,320
that's what people really want to know,

2265
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:45,520
like how does this affect their

2266
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:47,599
pocketbook? And so, like, I'm really

2267
01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:50,159
excited that soon hopefully we'll have

2268
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:52,560
that electric and gas rate analysis

2269
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:55,520
back. And I think all the reasons, well,

2270
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,360
a lot of the same reasons that the water

2271
01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:59,119
utility is important, the natural gas

2272
01:56:59,119 --> 01:57:00,960
and the electric are also important for

2273
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,800
our residents. um they're essential

2274
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:05,679
services. They're extremely expensive

2275
01:57:05,679 --> 01:57:09,280
and uh the the profit margins are are

2276
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:12,080
likely higher than um what the water

2277
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:15,599
utility is. So, um moving forward in

2278
01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:17,280
this process, we could decide at some

2279
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:19,040
point to potentially add those to the

2280
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:21,599
April ballot and modify the question uh

2281
01:57:21,599 --> 01:57:23,920
or do separate questions or whatever.

2282
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:25,440
But the the whole point is that we have

2283
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:28,159
a lot of flexibility here. Um, and and I

2284
01:57:28,159 --> 01:57:31,360
really think the transparency portion is the reason that we should move

2285
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:35,599
forward as quickly as possible to get a question going so that at least

2286
01:57:35,599 --> 01:57:37,119
there's that transparency for the public

2287
01:57:37,119 --> 01:57:39,119
on who's spending what and and and

2288
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:41,119
what's being done to influence their

2289
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:43,440
vote. Um, I do also want to talk briefly

2290
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:46,159
about the the payment mechanisms. Like

2291
01:57:46,159 --> 01:57:49,119
we're not I I appreciate that this is uh

2292
01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:50,800
providing flexibility for the city to

2293
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:52,800
use general obligation or revenue bonds.

2294
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:54,719
I do want to mention revenue bonds are

2295
01:57:54,719 --> 01:57:56,320
as the mayor said probably the likely

2296
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:58,719
source of revenue. Um state statute

2297
01:57:58,719 --> 01:58:00,800
66.0621

2298
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:05,360
revenue obligation uh section two um

2299
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:07,599
solves that water source issue. It says

2300
01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:09,679
directly a source of water 50 mi beyond

2301
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:11,920
a municipality's corporate limits shall

2302
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:14,159
be within the municipalities authority.

2303
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:15,760
Uh so that takes care of the water

2304
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:18,080
intake issue. Um there's also been a

2305
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,480
state um Supreme Court ruling about that

2306
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:22,639
in the past as well. And then also draw

2307
01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:27,360
attention to the um section three there.

2308
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:28,880
A municipality may by action of its

2309
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,400
governing body provide for purchasing,

2310
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:31,840
acquiring, leasing, constructing,

2311
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,560
extending, adding to, improving, con

2312
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:36,320
conducting, controlling, operating or

2313
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,880
managing a public utility, uh, motor,

2314
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:40,960
bus or other systems of public

2315
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:42,960
transportation from the general fund or

2316
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:44,320
from the proceeds of municipal

2317
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:46,239
obligations including revenue bonds. an

2318
01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:48,239
obligation created under those revenue

2319
01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:50,719
bonds option is not an indebtness to the

2320
01:58:50,719 --> 01:58:52,159
municipality and shall not be included

2321
01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:54,560
in arriving in the constitutional debt

2322
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:56,400
limit. And we're still looking into the

2323
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,480
implications for this, but it's my

2324
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:00,239
understanding so far and we'll find out

2325
01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:02,800
more that these revenue bonds

2326
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:05,040
potentially would not impact our debt

2327
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:06,560
limit at all. And so if we needed to

2328
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:09,280
borrow for an emergency later or another

2329
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:12,400
fire station or or just for uh extra

2330
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:14,080
staffing or whatever the council wanted,

2331
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,000
we would still have that flexibility

2332
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:17,599
available. And so as we continue to look

2333
01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:19,520
into this, I think maintaining all those

2334
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:21,520
options uh is really good. And I just

2335
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:23,280
want to say I'm hoping we can move

2336
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:24,480
forward tonight and just get this

2337
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:26,239
published so we can get more public

2338
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:28,880
input. Thank you.

2339
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:30,000
>> Council Sweeney,

2340
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,679
>> I'd just like to have a roll vote when

2341
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:32,880
we do this, please.

2342
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:35,440
>> Of course. Councelor Caitlyn.

2343
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,480
>> Um I do have one question as far as um

2344
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:41,360
you the the transparency in the question

2345
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:43,840
and it could be something that might be

2346
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:46,000
put you know like amended in the future

2347
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,719
but um is with this language of this

2348
01:59:48,719 --> 01:59:51,679
question um do you think that and I know

2349
01:59:51,679 --> 01:59:53,520
uh with the city attorney is this clear

2350
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:55,040
enough that we wouldn't have to put

2351
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:57,119
something in the question itself for the

2352
01:59:57,119 --> 02:00:01,830
referendum saying non-binding?

2353
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,639
I think that's a question for you.

2354
02:00:04,639 --> 02:00:06,000
>> No, I don't I don't believe

2355
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:09,109
>> the button.

2356
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:11,840
» I do not believe we have to fold binding

2357
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:14,159
or non-binding language into the actual

2358
02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:15,760
referendum question itself. I think that

2359
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:18,000
actually might set [snorts] the table

2360
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:20,400
for potential confusion.

2361
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:23,199
understand too that

2362
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:27,760
um by statute we will be obligated to

2363
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:32,560
um produce and and and have on file and

2364
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:36,159
I think actually even publish a um

2365
02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:39,280
notice of referendum and that notice of

2366
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:42,320
referendum will include a number of

2367
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:44,800
details that aren't folded in that would

2368
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:46,639
be far too cumbersome to actually fold

2369
02:00:46,639 --> 02:00:48,968
into the referendum question itself.

2370
02:00:48,968 --> 02:00:49,119
>> [snorts]

2371
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:50,880
>> And some of those details will include

2372
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:52,560
for example

2373
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:54,800
a a general description of the utility

2374
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:57,280
plant itself.

2375
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:59,599
Um as discussed already, the mechanism

2376
02:00:59,599 --> 02:01:02,880
through which um the the acquisition of

2377
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:08,960
the utility would be paid for and and almost certainly the the question

2378
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:13,360
you just brought up which is the um the

2379
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:16,320
binding or non non-binding

2380
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:19,753
component behind the question.

2381
02:01:19,753 --> 02:01:21,830
[clears throat]

2382
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:25,510
Further discussion

2383
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:27,440
council.

2384
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:30,000
>> This is the process that's provided to

2385
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,480
municipalities by the state of Wisconsin

2386
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:35,280
and it's not a rushed process. In fact,

2387
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:37,199
if we wanted to rush this, we could have

2388
02:01:37,199 --> 02:01:40,880
put this forward for a November ballot.

2389
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:43,440
Um so you know I think that we are

2390
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:47,920
taking prudent steps to pro provide for

2391
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:52,320
the public to learn more. Uh there's

2392
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:54,560
months ahead for that process to take

2393
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:57,920
place and I think we should proceed with

2394
02:01:57,920 --> 02:02:00,800
this. Thank you.

2395
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:04,709
Further discussion.

2396
02:02:04,719 --> 02:02:07,520
The question councilors is whether to

2397
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:11,360
publish this resolution before you as

2398
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:13,599
amended.

2399
02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:16,320
Unless there are questions about the

2400
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:23,589
process, we will proceed by roll call.

2401
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:26,400
» Councelor Radkkey.

2402
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:27,920
>> Yes.

2403
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:30,239
>> Councelor Elm. Yes.

2404
02:02:30,239 --> 02:02:31,360
>> Councelor Caven.

2405
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:33,040
>> Yes.

2406
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:34,080
>> President Heric.

2407
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:35,360
>> Yes.

2408
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,440
>> Councelor Herring.

2409
02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:38,560
>> Yes.

2410
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:40,080
>> Councelor Grasskey.

2411
02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:40,960
>> Yes.

2412
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:42,159
>> Councelor Leine.

2413
02:02:42,159 --> 02:02:42,880
>> Yes.

2414
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:44,560
>> Councelor Anderson.

2415
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:46,480
>> No.

2416
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:48,000
>> Vice President Moffett.

2417
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:48,960
>> Yes.

2418
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:50,000
>> Councelor Sweeney.

2419
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,480
>> No.

2420
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:54,159
>> There are eight in favor and two

2421
02:02:54,159 --> 02:03:07,990
against. The motion passes.

2422
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:11,199
Item 8.1.1 is the business of the public

2423
02:03:11,199 --> 02:03:12,960
art commission with a meeting held on

2424
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:14,880
July 30th. Is there a report from the

2425
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:18,880
chair? Well, um, switch it up here a

2426
02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:22,000
bit. Let's see.

2427
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:25,119
Uh, excuse me. Hold on. Okay. Since the

2428
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:26,560
inception of the Superior Public Arts

2429
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:28,000
Commission, the council has approved two

2430
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,639
rounds of $25,000 each to support public

2431
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:32,639
arts initiatives in the city of Superior

2432
02:03:32,639 --> 02:03:34,960
over the last two years. At our most

2433
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:36,560
recent meeting, we utilized the

2434
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:38,159
remaining funds to back several

2435
02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:40,800
projects, including a Nordic interactive

2436
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:42,400
handcrafting workshop at the Douglas

2437
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,239
County Historical Society, uh support

2438
02:03:44,239 --> 02:03:46,560
for reenactment actors at for the St.

2439
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:48,480
Louis River rendevous, which is now

2440
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:50,960
being relocated over to Billings Park

2441
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:55,280
from over in Duth um this summer. And

2442
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:58,880
also we supported uh Time Arc Theater

2443
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:02,719
along with a um event that will be for

2444
02:04:02,719 --> 02:04:04,719
happening at the Fairlon during the

2445
02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:06,480
Halloween Halloween season. I just want

2446
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:08,480
to thank this council support as we

2447
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:10,639
nearly supported almost 20 public art

2448
02:04:10,639 --> 02:04:13,360
experiences throughout the um community

2449
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:15,199
for the citizens. And as we move

2450
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:16,639
forward, this commission will adopt a

2451
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:18,639
new approach as we outline as I outlined

2452
02:04:18,639 --> 02:04:20,320
in our last report. It'll focus more on

2453
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:22,000
creating spaces for artists rather than

2454
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:23,520
artists coming to us to tell us about

2455
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:25,520
what they would like to create. And I

2456
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:27,119
look forward to sharing about those next

2457
02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:29,440
projects when those are approved and

2458
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:31,840
voted on. Additionally, we have a

2459
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:34,239
request in front of you. Um this amount

2460
02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:36,880
is coming from the overall fund. Um, it

2461
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:38,320
is to help support an upcoming event

2462
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:40,000
that will be hosted by the Superior

2463
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:42,000
Council for the Arts is essentially

2464
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:43,840
inviting statewide representation to

2465
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:46,159
come to the city, allow somewhat of a a

2466
02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:48,480
summit to facilitate not only local

2467
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:50,560
conversations, but also talk about

2468
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:52,639
statewide opportunities, how can we add

2469
02:04:52,639 --> 02:04:54,800
more art to our community, and also how

2470
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,679
can our grant program be assisted as we

2471
02:04:57,679 --> 02:04:59,840
move further into creating more arts in

2472
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:02,159
the community. So, as of now, I would

2473
02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:04,800
ask that the um assistant clerk or

2474
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:07,360
sorry, um please read the ask in front

2475
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,520
of them.

2476
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:12,080
8.1.1

2477
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:14,960
is to award the sponsorship to Superior

2478
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:17,360
Council for the Arts for the 2026

2479
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:19,280
Regional Creative Industries Summit

2480
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:23,669
event in the amount of $5,965.

2481
02:05:23,679 --> 02:05:24,480
» Second.

2482
02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:25,840
>> Motion's by Councelor Alm, second by

2483
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:28,719
Councelor Graskki. Is there discussion?

2484
02:05:28,719 --> 02:05:30,159
Hearing none. All those in favor, please

2485
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:31,679
signify by saying I.

2486
02:05:31,679 --> 02:05:34,800
>> Those opposed say no. Motion carries.

2487
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:36,400
>> At this time, are there any other

2488
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:38,000
committee or commission reports to be

2489
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:41,350
made?

2490
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:42,800
» Hearing none, we can proceed to new

2491
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:43,920
business.

2492
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:47,119
>> Item 10.1 is miscellaneous licenses.

2493
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:48,560
>> Motion.

2494
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:49,920
is by councelor Dean, second by

2495
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:52,239
councelor Heric. Is there discussion?

2496
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:53,440
Hearing none. All those in favor, please

2497
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:55,040
signify by saying I.

2498
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:56,239
>> Those oppose say no. [clears throat]

2499
02:05:56,239 --> 02:05:58,159
Motion carries.

2500
02:05:58,159 --> 02:06:00,960
Item 10.2 is an amended premise for a

2501
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:02,880
special event license application for

2502
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:05,840
Atypical Enterprises Incorporated, DBA,

2503
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:08,320
the main club located at 1217 Tower

2504
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:10,880
Avenue for Pride Weekend, September 4th

2505
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:13,199
through September 7th.

2506
02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:14,239
>> Motion to approve.

2507
02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:15,199
>> Second.

2508
02:06:15,199 --> 02:06:16,560
>> Motion's by Councelor Graskki, a second

2509
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:17,840
by councelor Anderson. Is there

2510
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:20,239
discussion?

2511
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:21,520
Hearing none, all those in favor, please

2512
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:23,119
signify by saying I. I.

2513
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:26,159
>> Those opposed say no. Motion carries.

2514
02:06:26,159 --> 02:06:28,400
10.3 is amend the premise for a special

2515
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:30,000
event license application for the

2516
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:32,960
Superior Flame DBA, the Superior Flame

2517
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:36,639
Nightclub located at 1612 Tower Avenue

2518
02:06:36,639 --> 02:06:38,800
for Superior Pride Block Party on

2519
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:40,480
September 5th.

2520
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:41,599
>> Second.

2521
02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:42,960
>> Motion's by Councelor Anderson, second

2522
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:44,000
by Councelor Herring. Is there

2523
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:45,840
discussion

2524
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:47,520
hearing? None. All those in favor,

2525
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:49,520
please signify by saying I.

2526
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:52,800
>> Those oppose say no. The motion carries.

2527
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:55,199
>> 10.4 4 is an original class B beer

2528
02:06:55,199 --> 02:06:58,719
license. Class B beer and class B liquor

2529
02:06:58,719 --> 02:07:00,400
license application for Solomon

2530
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:02,880
Witherspoon Group LLC doing business as

2531
02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:05,840
Solomon Witherspoon located at 1108

2532
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:08,320
Tower Avenue for the current license

2533
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:11,760
period through June 30th, 2027 pending

2534
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:13,520
fire, police, and health department

2535
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:16,800
approvals and proposed leased condition.

2536
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:20,480
>> Counselors, uh the clerk has provided a

2537
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:22,159
sample motion. I'll read it and see if

2538
02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:26,239
there is any concurrence. Uh, is there a

2539
02:07:26,239 --> 02:07:27,840
I would recommend a motion to approve

2540
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:31,679
the class B beer beer and class B liquor

2541
02:07:31,679 --> 02:07:35,199
license for Solomon Witherspoon at 1108

2542
02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:37,520
Tower Avenue subject to a receipt of

2543
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:38,960
recommendations for approval from the

2544
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:41,280
police, fire, and health departments and

2545
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:42,880
proof of a lease agreement for the

2546
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:44,800
premises.

2547
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:45,119
>> Second.

2548
02:07:45,119 --> 02:07:46,320
>> The motion's by councelor Moffett, the

2549
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:48,000
second by councelor Grassi. Is there

2550
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:49,679
discussion

2551
02:07:49,679 --> 02:07:50,960
hearing? None. All those in favor,

2552
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:52,400
please. I'm sorry, Council Heric.

2553
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:54,880
>> Yeah, just just one question. Um, well,

2554
02:07:54,880 --> 02:08:00,000
since he has a another license for 424

2555
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,000
uh Tower Avenue, does he have both

2556
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:03,360
license apparently at this time or is

2557
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:05,119
one kind of surrendered?

2558
02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:07,679
>> No, that was also conditional. And so,

2559
02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:09,840
similar to this, uh, because Mr.

2560
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:11,840
Witherspoon would be leasing the space,

2561
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:14,320
not owning it. uh he doesn't actually

2562
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:16,639
achieve the license until the the

2563
02:08:16,639 --> 02:08:17,920
conditions like demonstrating control of

2564
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:18,880
the property and then of course all

2565
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:21,280
these inspections are met. So my

2566
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:22,880
understanding is he's not currently

2567
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:25,040
holding any license in the city of

2568
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:26,639
Superior unless and until these

2569
02:08:26,639 --> 02:08:28,000
conditions would be met. So it would be

2570
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,400
for conceivably he could go and meet the

2571
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:31,679
conditions for the but I believe that

2572
02:08:31,679 --> 02:08:33,599
other building sold. So I don't I don't

2573
02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:34,639
think that's an option anymore.

2574
02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:35,360
>> All right. Thanks.

2575
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:36,719
>> Yep.

2576
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:38,639
>> Further discussion

2577
02:08:38,639 --> 02:08:40,000
>> hearing none. All those in favor please

2578
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:41,440
signify by saying I.

2579
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:44,400
>> Those oppose say no. The motion carries.

2580
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:48,719
>> And item 10.5 is to file a cross appeal

2581
02:08:48,719 --> 02:08:50,320
with the Wisconsin State Board of

2582
02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:52,800
Assessors to the objected valuation of

2583
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:56,560
property located at 153 Main Street

2584
02:08:56,560 --> 02:09:00,400
owned by Exodus Real Estate Holdings.

2585
02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:00,960
>> Second.

2586
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:02,159
>> The motion's by councelor Caven, the

2587
02:09:02,159 --> 02:09:04,000
second guy by Councelor Moffett. Is

2588
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:07,510
there discussion

2589
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:08,960
hearing? None. All those in favor,

2590
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:10,960
please signify by saying I. I. Those

2591
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:13,360
opposed say no. The motion carries.

2592
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:15,040
Councilors, we have one per That's it

2593
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:16,639
right. Yeah, we have one person signed

2594
02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:19,599
up to speak in general public comment.

2595
02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:22,239
Uh I believe I'm reading this to be

2596
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:24,800
Marsha Adams, but please correct that as

2597
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:28,000
you approach. Uh the button to turn on

2598
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:29,440
the microphone is the third from the

2599
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:31,840
left. Looks like a person speaking. And

2600
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:34,480
as before, you'll have uh exactly 3

2601
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:36,079
minutes. I will give you a warning at 2

2602
02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:37,679
minutes and 30 seconds, but I'd remind

2603
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:39,599
you we're you have it on. I'd remind you

2604
02:09:39,599 --> 02:09:40,719
we're at the end of the meeting. So if

2605
02:09:40,719 --> 02:09:41,760
you're not able to express everything

2606
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:43,280
you want to say, you can feel free to

2607
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:45,119
come up and speak to me afterwards.

2608
02:09:45,119 --> 02:09:49,520
>> My name is Marcia Adams. I live at

2609
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:53,199
713 Bridge Avenue. We're having issues

2610
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:56,400
with the crossing thing on 7th Street.

2611
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:59,040
People are flying off the bridge like

2612
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:01,119
whatever they want and they're flying

2613
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:04,400
off and on the bridge and I've almost

2614
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:07,599
got hit three times crossing that thing.

2615
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:09,199
I would like to know if there's

2616
02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:12,880
something you guys can do to protect us

2617
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:16,800
people who walk on Seventh Street or

2618
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:18,400
not.

2619
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:20,079
>> So, we don't have conversation here, but

2620
02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:21,360
uh we'll we'll take note of your

2621
02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:22,239
comments and if you want to come and

2622
02:10:22,239 --> 02:10:23,199
chat with me afterwards.

2623
02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:25,280
>> Okay. But I just wanted to let you guys

2624
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:29,119
know that it's it really dangerous.

2625
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:32,880
I'm not my residents in that area have a

2626
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:36,400
fear of one of us can be hit. That's all

2627
02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:39,040
I wanted to know.

2628
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:40,000
>> Thank you very much.

2629
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,599
>> You're welcome.

2630
02:10:41,599 --> 02:10:44,560
>> Is there any further public comment?

2631
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:46,719
>> We have no further business and are

2632
02:10:46,719 --> 02:10:50,360
adjourned. Thank you, counselors.