1 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:22,080 A little bit left. That tells you that it's the right dimension. It's funny how 2 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:25,720 the things the numbers work. >> Recording in progress. 3 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:31,760 » Good evening everybody. Welcome to the August 19th, 2026 Sutton Conservation 4 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:36,559 Commission meeting. If we could stand for the pledge of allegiance. 5 00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:41,280 » Pledges to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which 6 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:45,280 it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice 7 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,960 for all. >> Thank you very much. Uh, pursuit 8 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:53,120 Governor Haley's directive extending temporary open meeting law provisions 9 00:00:50,559 --> 00:00:56,160 until June 30th, 2027, the board, the conservation committee will be conducted 10 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,520 in a hybrid format and will be recording. Recordings will be accessible 11 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,559 on the town's website and YouTube channel. Please be aware participants 12 00:01:01,039 --> 00:01:05,840 attending via Zoom will have their video and audio disabled. If you wish to 13 00:01:04,559 --> 00:01:09,920 engage in the discussion, raise your hand. If you if acknowledged by the 14 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:13,760 chair, you will receive a pop-up message allowing you to unmute yourself. For 15 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:17,240 agenda, YouTube, and Zoom links, please visit www.sutenmma.gov. 16 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:24,479 Um, tonight in person, we have Tim Thompson, Mike McGovern, Jamie Marin, 17 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:30,960 myself, Bill Wentz, our consultant, Brandon Fanf, uh Jared Deval is not 18 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:35,680 available tonight. And to the public or anyone on Zoom, is anyone recording this 19 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:41,759 meeting? And I'm seeing no one raising their hand 20 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:46,159 online. Okay. Um, first up, 6 PM. This is a continuation for 11 Cody Lane. 21 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,520 » I'm going to recuse. >> And Mike is recused on this one. Welcome 22 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,680 back, Ra. >> Thank you. I think it was approved last 23 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,920 meeting. We're done with this one. 24 00:01:54,799 --> 00:02:01,520 » That's what I thought. >> I thought so, too. Um, Sarah is no 25 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:06,079 longer with the town of Sutton and I went through the minutes. It's on there. 26 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:09,399 Did it say it's approved? >> Yeah. 27 00:02:06,399 --> 00:02:09,399 » Yes. 28 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:15,760 » Where's one? >> 11 Cody Lane, but it says motion to 29 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,959 continue the public hearing. >> You voted on it last week. 30 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:21,840 » Oh, yeah. >> 400 Z. 31 00:02:20,959 --> 00:02:25,200 » It is. >> Motion carries. 32 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,400 » So, we need to when we get to the minutes, we need to amend the minutes. 33 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,440 » We need to amend the minutes. So, yeah. I kind of thought everything was done on 34 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,239 this, too. I hope that's not the only reason you came in. No, I'm I'm here for 35 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:39,120 two other meetings. >> Okay, perfect. All right, so um I guess 36 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,480 we'll just amend the minutes. Is that the quickest thing? Okay, 37 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:49,599 » perfect. Thank you guys for picking up on that. All right, next up at this is 38 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:54,160 also at 6 o'clock. Uh notice of intent, a continuation for 354 West Sutton Road, 39 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,160 single family home and associated facilities. 40 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:16,480 Good evening. >> Welcome back. 41 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,200 » Thank you. You got the B team tonight. So, for the record, Margaret, 42 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,599 » they did well in that class. >> They did a very good job. I was very 43 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:27,680 proud of them. Um, so for the record, Margaret Bacon, Civil 44 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:32,000 Site Engineering, and I have the uh the property owner, Mark Mike Perso with us 45 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:38,319 to meet you. >> Um, and so I did watch the video, so I I 46 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:44,400 I got a a sense of the commission's uh comments and concerns. So I I did revise 47 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:51,360 the plan, and the big issue was the storm water. 48 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:56,239 And I I heard Mike McGovern's comments regarding, you know, putting something 49 00:03:53,360 --> 00:04:01,760 over here and and preventing the storm water from getting to the street. So So 50 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:08,560 what I did here on this plan, this hasn't really changed at all. Uh up here 51 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:12,959 where we have the uh I have the erosion control and then I put the uh the 52 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:17,440 additional shrubs we're going to plant to make up for the trees we were cutting 53 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:21,600 down. I've got a little burm there. Just a one foot burm. So I don't have to 54 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:26,800 worry about this water coming down the hill. That's going to go that way. Uh so 55 00:04:24,479 --> 00:04:31,040 any water. So the only water I have to deal with is what's on the site. So I 56 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:35,680 have that little swale here. I moved that that rain garden down here. I moved 57 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:41,520 the driveway up so it it would work a little better. And then under and this 58 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:48,639 if it reaches capacity, which during the big storms it will. Um I have a little 59 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:52,639 a culvert under the driveway >> and each side of the culverts I got 60 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:57,840 little plunge pools or little stone lined plunge pools and then under the uh 61 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:02,400 this water will go into the driveway and then it's going to eventually go into 62 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:07,520 the wetland and not into the street and then over here on this side of the 63 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:12,880 driveway I pitch the driveway a little more so that all that water from the 64 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:19,360 driveway will hit a stone line swale and that too going to discharge over here. 65 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:25,440 And because of the the way the existing topography is, I mean, here's kind of 66 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:30,560 like a natural swale that heads down this way. So, I I had to try to tie into 67 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:34,960 that. And that that's kind of why I've got extra plans here. Would that be 68 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:38,160 helpful? Big plans for anybody? 69 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:42,160 » I'm following along. I'm good. >> Let's see. Yep. I'm following along. 70 00:05:40,479 --> 00:05:47,360 » So, so those were the big ones on the storm water. I'm capturing everything or 71 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:52,639 controlling everything on the site and this water off the site I'm keeping it 72 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:57,520 off of the site. And then the other one I think I heard about the placards. You 73 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,800 no longer want placard. So I removed the placards. 74 00:05:59,039 --> 00:06:06,400 And then I still have to meet with the tree warden regarding the trees and the 75 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:12,080 planning board regarding the stone wall and the the scenic bylaw. 76 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:15,840 » So I think that addressed everything >> I believe. So, 77 00:06:14,479 --> 00:06:19,520 » um to Jamie >> question real quick. The additional 78 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,319 plantings I saw a copy of the plan. I don't know when that was revised, so I 79 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,440 don't know if I was looking at the today. 80 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,919 » Yeah. >> The previously you had included some 81 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:32,400 additional plantings along the edge of the limited disturbance, but they 82 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:35,039 weren't uh included in the table. The table just had the plantings for the 83 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,360 rain garden. >> No, here here the here's the planting 84 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,560 scheme. >> Okay. 85 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:44,160 » Uh right down here. Basically, it's high bush blueberry, winter berry, and some 86 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:47,759 uh red maples. >> Okay, that's my only question. 87 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:52,080 » Y I'm good. Anybody from the public or 88 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:54,319 anybody on Zoom tonight have any questions? 89 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,120 » Brandon, did you have anything to weigh in on? 90 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,120 » Nim, 91 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,479 you want to do the motions? >> Uh, sure. [clears throat] 92 00:07:01,039 --> 00:07:07,440 I'll make a motion to close the public hearing for 93 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:10,560 uh 354 West Sutton Road. >> I'll second it. Tim made a motion to 94 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:12,319 close the public hearing. Mike seconded. Tim vote I. 95 00:07:11,599 --> 00:07:13,759 » Mike vote. >> I vote I. 96 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:18,639 » Jamie Addi vote. >> And I bill vote I. 97 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:22,560 » I'll make a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for three 98 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,240 » order of conditions. >> Oh yeah. Got ahead of myself there. 99 00:07:25,039 --> 00:07:32,800 » Got the project done for you. >> Been a couple weeks. An order of 100 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:35,280 conditions um for 354 West Sutton Road. >> I'll second it. 101 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,680 » Do we have a D number? Just say this. >> Yep. 102 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:39,759 » X's. There is a D number for this, right? Correct. 103 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:41,120 » Okay. It's still just saying access. Do you know what it is off? Just so we can 104 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:46,280 make >> Yes. Yes, I do. I have it with me. Hang 105 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,280 tight. 106 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:01,759 » It's got to be like 1041, 1042, something like that. 107 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:06,160 » You know, they issued one. I don't Hang tight. Here it is. 108 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,560 uh 303 uh 1039. 109 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,680 » Okay. >> And no comments. 110 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:16,400 » Okay. Perfect. So Tim made a motion to issue order conditions for DP 1039. Mike 111 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,759 seconded. Tim, how do you vote? I >> Mike, how do you vote? 112 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,639 » Vote I. >> Jamie, how do you vote? 113 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,960 » I Bill vai. Thank you. Good luck with the project. Have a great night. 114 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,720 » Thank you. >> And these revised plans, should I leave 115 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,800 them with you, Brandon? >> Nope. 116 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,319 » We don't need it. >> Oh, you can leave them here. Yeah. 117 00:08:29,919 --> 00:08:33,519 » Yeah. Yeah, >> I can put them in the folder. 118 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,640 » Okay, perfect. Thanks both for coming in. 119 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:40,320 » Yep. Thank you. >> Uh next up is a discussion an RDA for 11 120 00:08:38,479 --> 00:08:45,560 Spring Hill Road as septic system upgrade. Welcome back. 121 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:45,560 » Thank you. 122 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:54,080 » Brenda, can you bring it to Mr. >> Oh, you know what? 123 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:57,200 » Once again, I forgot Chris. >> Yeah. 124 00:08:54,399 --> 00:09:00,160 » Failed to remind me. That's why >> you get on Zoom. 125 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,560 » No, I did send it to you, didn't I? No, but I just sent it to you. Did you get 126 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,200 it? >> Uh, probably. 127 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,519 » I just emailed it to you. >> Give me a second. I'll put the plan up 128 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:10,519 on the the screen. >> Sure. 129 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:18,560 » Go ahead and talk. >> It's a septic system repair uh in a 130 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:22,560 grass area. Um, we the land is large, but there is a 131 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,839 problem that we if we put it away from the wetland, we're going to be a pump 132 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:30,080 system and we'll be in an area where he keeps his animals like he has some pigs 133 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:35,360 and cows. So, we're trying to get it as a gravity system and also 134 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:38,560 stays within the lawn area so we don't have to cut any trees. And I think the 135 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:41,600 the location we're proposing is the best location for the septics. They were not 136 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,640 cutting any trees. It's a very simple septic repair. 137 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:47,839 » Okay. >> Brandon's pulling that up just to 138 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,240 repair. And currently grass, no tree cutting. Yeah. Pretty straightforward. 139 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:56,000 While Brandon pulls that up. >> Yeah. even without showing the plan or 140 00:09:52,240 --> 00:10:00,399 the pictures. Um, this was uh a no-brainer except for two things that 141 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:04,399 concerned me. Um, again, it's all lawn. It's like beautiful manicured lawn that 142 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:08,320 this is going to go in, but it's on a slope. It's like on a moderate slope and 143 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:14,160 the wetland's at the bottom of the hill. So, on the plan, it reads uh straw 144 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:20,399 waddle silk fence combo. >> Uh, I think just to be safe on on the uh 145 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:24,240 the determination form, uh, It would be a negative determination with conditions 146 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:30,399 and just just to you know belt and suspenders right in there make a motion 147 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:35,120 that uh uh the uh erosion control shall consist of the double line of silk fence 148 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:41,120 and straw waddles as just be precautionary. Yeah. Uh, the other thing 149 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:46,320 too was, uh, not that I need to give Joe Bolino a pro tip, 150 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:52,720 but on the wetland flagging, um, he started it at a point that didn't 151 00:10:50,079 --> 00:10:54,160 quite go over as far as he needed. You're nodding your head. 152 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:58,000 » Yeah. >> So, so when I see something like that, I 153 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,279 want to know where the wetland's going. And I wish he had done like one or two 154 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:05,680 more flags to show that the wetland wraps away from the house. 155 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,560 » The lot line is very deceiving. So he got confused with the lot line because 156 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:12,959 it's it's very angled. But >> when when given that opportunity, show 157 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,800 how the wetland curves away. >> Sure. 158 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,160 » And that way there's no question because when you just see it on the plan, you're 159 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,440 like, where's the wetland line going? >> Okay. 160 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,040 » Yeah, sure. >> All right. Let me bring it up. 161 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,399 » I have a dumb question. Was this all filed? 162 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,880 » Yes. >> Okay. Because it's just under as 163 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:31,120 discussion, but >> with a bunch of changing hands, I just 164 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,519 wanted to make sure it was listed properly. Okay. 165 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:38,240 » Yeah. Okay. Here it is. >> I thought it was, but 166 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:43,880 Okay. Uh, it's it's on a street that I have 167 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:43,880 never been on. 168 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:52,640 And come on. Where is it? Go. Backyard. And big backyard. This is the area. What 169 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,480 am I? What's going on? >> Well, uh, 170 00:11:54,240 --> 00:12:00,959 » the client owns under like a different name the whole farm around it. So, the 171 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:07,040 the farm around the whole area is also owned by the client. 172 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:10,320 Let me turn off the light. >> Did I share the wrong one? 173 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:12,480 » I'm fine. >> You're fine. 174 00:12:10,959 --> 00:12:15,839 » I hate to dig up that lawn. It's a beautiful lawn. 175 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,560 » Well, it's going to be lawn again. >> So, the the system's going to go in this 176 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,839 area here. >> Yes. 177 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:25,680 » Okay. So, you know, it it looks I guess suppose it looks flat from the angle I'm 178 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,839 taking it, but it's not. It's like a what? 6% slope, maybe. 179 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:32,959 » About Yeah. >> Yeah. About 6% slope. And right at the 180 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:36,959 bottom here is the wetland. It's a nice wetland. There's a lot of sugar maple in 181 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:40,560 there, too. Is a very nice wet wetland. So, if anything happens here, and he's 182 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:45,120 going to do some grading. So, if anything happens, uh it's going to shoot 183 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:49,920 right down into here with with no stops. Okay. So, this is why I think it's 184 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:53,880 important to have uh a condition that they do the the double line. 185 00:12:54,639 --> 00:13:00,880 So, and this is our nice wetland, 186 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:04,720 very healthy wetland at the bottom of the hill. 187 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:08,639 and then looking up at the edge of the lawn. So, and then looking back up. So, 188 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:13,839 this gives you the idea of what the slope is. 189 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:19,040 Otherwise, uh, one of the easiest inspections I've ever done. 190 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,920 Anybody want to see the plan? >> I would like to. 191 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,920 » Okay. 192 00:13:30,079 --> 00:13:34,839 And system plan, 193 00:13:36,959 --> 00:13:42,639 » Ralph, your plans always come like vertical and I have to turn them. Why is 194 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:47,680 that? >> Keep you on your toes. 195 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:53,800 » You can rotate it in the screen. >> And where' it go? Here it is. Okay. On 196 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:53,800 its way. 197 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:57,360 Here we go. 198 00:13:58,959 --> 00:14:08,480 Spring Hill Drive right here. It's a dead end. Uh 199 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:14,720 hello. Where did my thing go? If you go down, it's a it's a it's a 200 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:18,240 dead end. And the house is here. They're putting the system a little bit off to 201 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:22,000 the right. Here's the wood line. But, you know, they got some grading going 202 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:26,120 on. So, I want to make sure that the wetland is protected down here. 203 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,760 through the chair. >> Yeah. 204 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,440 » Because you're going to follow the self fence line, right? That's on the plan. 205 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:39,680 » Yeah. >> So, the only difference is he's 206 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:43,680 recommending that that we double it. It just shows a single now. 207 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:46,000 » It It shows It shows the detail, right? Which is great. 208 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,920 » And it shows the whole line, right? >> Yeah. 209 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:50,320 » Right. >> Yeah. It wraps around the whole the 210 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,639 whole area. >> Yeah. 211 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:57,399 » Yeah. Okay. So double it up. 212 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:03,519 » Is there one spot that would see more than another? 213 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,560 » I mean it's it's a it's a very straightforward area and I don't think 214 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:12,480 it's going to take time for installing the septic maybe a week maximum. 215 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:14,720 So I I mean we can uh can be a condition that uh 216 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:19,040 » I mean you're going to be there doing inspections very you're going to be 217 00:15:17,199 --> 00:15:23,519 there doing inspections periodically? >> Yeah. Yeah. So it's just saying double 218 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,240 the whole thing is a lot of work. Can we just say that 219 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,519 » double the area where the water flow would hit? Is that And you I know you'll 220 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:31,440 keep an eye on it. >> Yes. 221 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,920 » Right. >> I'd be okay with that. So kind of pretty 222 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:39,040 much approved as by plan. >> Just keep an eye on the 223 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:43,040 » you just keep an >> Yeah. Double up when needed. 224 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,480 » Okay. >> So it's an RDA. We just get a 225 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:50,399 determination. Um, so I I do have Does anyone in the 226 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:56,320 audience have questions before we go to vote? And I Jared online has a question. 227 00:15:54,800 --> 00:16:00,639 » Jared, your hands raised. If you have a question on this one, 228 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:04,079 » I did not have a question about this. I just want 229 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,120 I needed to be here for the meeting tonight. 230 00:16:06,079 --> 00:16:10,480 » It's on the agenda. >> It's on the agenda. So, it will be 231 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:12,800 coming up in a few minutes if you if you want to hang out. 232 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:16,240 » I don't think he needs to be here. I can give an update. Oh, you uh Jamie's 233 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:20,160 saying you do not need to be here and he can give an update for us. So, 234 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:22,959 that will do it. >> Okay. So, I can log off. 235 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,959 » You can log off. Have a great day. >> Thank you. 236 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:29,360 » Thanks, Jared. [snorts] >> You, too. 237 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:35,519 » All right. Any questions on 11 Spring to the board, to the public? Okay. 238 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:42,480 Um, [clears throat] I'll make a motion to issue a negative determination for 11 239 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:47,279 Spring Hill Road um with the condition that a double silt fence be placed 240 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:50,240 where the peak water flow where where needed. Is that what we're going to say? 241 00:16:48,959 --> 00:16:52,560 » I'll second that. >> Uh Tim made a motion. Mike seconded. 242 00:16:51,839 --> 00:16:55,279 Tim, how do you vote? >> I Mike, how do you vote? 243 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,199 » Vote I Jamie, how do you vote? >> I Bill vote eye. 244 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,519 » Thank you. >> Thank you. Have a good night. 245 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:07,120 Uh, next up is 400 Boston Road and this is a septic system repair. Is anybody 246 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,120 here for 400 Boston Road or anybody online? 247 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:15,839 » Uh, raise your hand if you're online for this one. 248 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:17,600 » Liz is online. >> Is Oh, 249 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:19,600 » okay. >> Hi, Liz. Uh, 250 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:22,772 » hi. >> The floor is yours. 251 00:17:21,439 --> 00:17:27,919 » Okay. [laughter] [gasps] I couldn't find the hand. Um, 252 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:30,480 yeah. And my client is there. Can you hear me? Okay. 253 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:37,919 » Yes, we can. >> Okay. Um Gary's there in the uh in the 254 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:44,320 audience. Um so septic repair on this property. We were we're really squeezed 255 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:49,600 in between the wells and the wetland and the limited space on the property. Um 256 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:55,280 but we fit in an advanced treatment system. This is a Perkrite system and it 257 00:17:52,640 --> 00:18:00,960 has um advanced nitrogen and phosphorus removal. It's kind of like an irrigation 258 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:07,600 system. It almost um transpires before it even infiltrates. Um but between that 259 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:15,679 and the wetland, we have a stone wall. Um the entire system is on the lawn. We 260 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:22,000 have proposed erosion controls and um Joelino was my uh my um wetland person 261 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:29,840 there and it is also an isolated wetland. Um, so 262 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:33,520 do you have any questions? >> Liz, thank you. Um, Bren, did you want 263 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:38,000 anything to add on this one? >> This This wasn't one of my 53g jobs. 264 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:41,120 » It wasn't. Okay. >> So, I don't I don't even know anything 265 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:46,240 about this job. >> Do Did you send a site plan in on this? 266 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,880 » I did. >> Brand is looking through the file now to 267 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,520 see if we have anything. >> Well, I do have I I did download it. 268 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:55,280 » Okay. >> So, I do have it. So, I can bring it up 269 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,880 if you want, but I did not involve with review. 270 00:18:55,679 --> 00:18:57,840 » Okay. If you wouldn't mind bringing it up. No 271 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,360 » problem. >> Thank you. 272 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:03,200 » Okay. >> Thanks for your patience, Liz. We had 273 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:07,573 some changes here in the office, so we're just 274 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,760 » Sounds like it. Yeah. [laughter] 275 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:14,320 » But it's going to pull up the plan for us to do a quick review on this for you. 276 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:21,919 » Okay. See, >> that one's done. See, it was it was uh 277 00:19:17,919 --> 00:19:26,320 four 400 400 Boston Road. Okay, I gotta go. Give me a second. I go 278 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:31,840 looking for it. I gotta go. >> You know what? I'll check the files now. 279 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:34,480 » Yep. And now you might want to pull the other two 280 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,520 because you got to sign those two if you can find them. 281 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,559 » Yeah, >> I was That's what I was just doing. 282 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,840 Okay. Okay. So, so this is an RDA, right? 283 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:57,160 » Yeah. >> Okay. Yep. 284 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:08,880 » Um I don't see a a site plan. Is there a 285 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:12,880 site [clears throat] plan associated with it? 286 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,880 » It's a question to Liz through the chair. 287 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:23,520 » Oh, wait. Soils and wets on wetland map, but I don't actually have a site plan. 288 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:27,400 » Bring it up. That would work. It'll get us through the meeting. 289 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,400 » Yeah. 290 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:35,919 » You want me to try to open it on my end? >> Well, you know what? That's great. If 291 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:41,919 Chris can give you permission. >> No, I got something. 292 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:45,559 » Uh, it might take me a second, though. the details of the 293 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,880 » one. >> No, not really. 294 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,120 » All right, we're back online. We We have a plan. 295 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:12,720 » Do you have it? >> Yep. Thank you. And this was submitted 296 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:16,799 um either right before or right after Sarah. So going to just take a quick 297 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,760 couple minutes to look at the plan. If you want to just give us an overview 298 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:23,120 while we're looking of what's going on with 400 Boston. 299 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,240 » Okay. Um >> concerning. 300 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:32,320 » No, I know the question is whether they'll be located here or located here. 301 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:36,000 » So you can see the wellheads the well the the protection zones of the two 302 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,120 wells. Can you you guys listen to Liz? 303 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,679 » To do with gravity, you have to make a big pumped mount. 304 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,960 » It's already pumped. You see? 305 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,960 » Yeah, we're pumping it. It's a pressure system. 306 00:21:52,559 --> 00:22:01,840 Uh no reduction in groundwater um because we're in the wellhead zone. 307 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:06,799 We just have uh lateral reduction requests. 308 00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:10,240 That's a >> Oh, yeah. It's there. 309 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,320 » Um, >> Liz, is this the area you're working in? 310 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,919 Are you cutting any trees down? What's the condition of the property now? 311 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:22,480 » It's all lawn right there. >> It's all lawn. Okay. 312 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,640 » All lawn. And um the only only uh there's some bushes around the house 313 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,679 that will come out. >> Okay. 314 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:31,000 She's >> for the tanks. 315 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,679 It's a repair. It's an all lawn. It's seen. 316 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:41,280 » She has erosion controls. >> It's a replacement. 317 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,200 » No, it's a repair. >> Subject system repair. 318 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,360 » Existing house. >> Yeah. 319 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,240 » This is not >> And you can see the size of that 320 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,559 property is just >> it's a repair. 321 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,640 » Looks pretty good. >> Yep. 322 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,039 » She has everything covered. I mean, there's not a lot of slope. There is 323 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,440 some slope >> towards the wetland. 324 00:22:55,919 --> 00:23:01,360 » But then that there's also a two-ft stone wall along that property line 325 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,880 between the between the project and the wetland. 326 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,360 » Okay. >> And that wall staying. 327 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,039 » Yes, it is. >> Perfect. 328 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,360 » They got the version controls in front of it. 329 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,919 » Yeah. Yeah. Good. I'm just wanting on wrecky because we're not we can't see 330 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,440 anything. Tim, do you have any questions? 331 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,559 » Oh, did you want to see? >> No, no. I saw I'm just saying the public 332 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,480 can't see it right now. >> Uh Jamie, Mike, do you guys have any 333 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,559 questions? >> No questions. Does anyone from Zoom or 334 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,880 the public have any questions on 400 Boston Road? 335 00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:30,159 » I'm good. >> We keep this for the file. 336 00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:33,360 » Go down. >> We have one. We have one. This is the 337 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,799 one in file. Yep. >> Which is where? 338 00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:38,480 » Right there. >> Oh, yeah. 339 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:42,159 » All right. I'm good. >> Now go to discussions. 340 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:46,240 » I'll make a motion to issue a negative determination 341 00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:48,559 » for [clears throat] uh 400 Boston row. >> Gotcha. 342 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,840 » I'll second it. Tim made a motion to issue a negative determination for 400 343 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,280 Boston Road. Mike seconded. Tim, how do you vote? I 344 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,559 » Mike, how do you vote? I >> vote I. 345 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,760 » Jamie, how do you vote? I >> And I, Bill, vote I. 346 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,480 » Thank you. Thanks for your patience and uh with this one, Liz, good luck on the 347 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:03,760 project. >> No problem. Thank you very much. Have a 348 00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:07,919 good night. >> All right. Yeah, that one will go back 349 00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:10,720 in the file. And before we all leave tonight, we got 350 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,440 a bunch of stuff we'll need to sign. I'll have to pull it all. I just don't 351 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:17,440 want anyone to run off. Okay. So, the minutes, uh, Sarah did do the minutes of 352 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:24,640 July 22nd, 2026. and the minutes of 8526. We do have one correction on 85 353 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:29,039 that we issued an ORAD for 11 Cody. Um, did everyone else review the minutes of 354 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:33,039 the two meetings that we feel? >> You're going to on Cody, but are we 355 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:36,400 comfortable with approving the minutes? >> Um, 356 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,919 or do we want more time to review them with corrections? 357 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:45,120 » I'm pretty sure I wasn't actually at the July 22nd meeting. Oh, we listed you 358 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:49,760 » in every vote and oh >> present, but I pretty sure I I missed 359 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,880 one in July and I think there was only one in July. So 360 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,400 » yeah, >> this was at the last meeting. 361 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,559 » No, it's two minutes. The last meeting >> you were you were at the 85 meeting via 362 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,400 Zoom. >> Yeah, July 22nd. I was there. 363 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:05,200 » You weren't here July 22nd. Okay. >> So we should 364 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:09,919 » correction. Okay. So we have corrections on the July 22nd 365 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:14,640 26 meetings. Removed him because he was not here for any of the meetings. 366 00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:20,799 uh and clean up the vote. And on the 85 367 00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:24,480 26 meeting correction on 11 Cody to make it a motion we issued an ORAD. It just 368 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,840 said we continued for the public hearing. So just a couple changes. Are 369 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:32,919 there any other changes or things we need to discuss on minutes? 370 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:32,919 » Okay. 371 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,679 » We should do them separate, right? >> Yeah, I would just because of the 372 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,919 corrections. >> I wasn't here for this one. 373 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,600 » Yeah, Tim wasn't here. Someone else >> I got to recuse. So you won't have a 374 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,080 quorum. >> No, Cody wasn't the LA the 22nd. 375 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,400 » It's just cool if it's >> Cody was August 5th. 376 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,000 » No. No. Yeah. >> Anything to do with Cody Lane? I can't 377 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,679 vote. >> Well, you can vote on the minutes 378 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:55,039 though. >> Oh, this is just voting on the minutes 379 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,640 with changes. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. You're fine. Yeah. No, you're being 380 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,200 clear. That's good. >> But 381 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,200 » Kim was saying, so if you want to make the motion 382 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,120 » I was here. I did see I I saw it with my own two eyes that it I was here for the 383 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:07,200 meeting. >> Okay. Okay. So, you're making a motion 384 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:13,200 to approve the minutes of >> I'll make a motion to approve the 385 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:17,919 minutes of 7226 and 8526 with the >> change. 386 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:20,000 » Oh, vote on the 22nd. >> So, do the 22nd 387 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:25,919 » with correction >> motion first and then the 85 with 388 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:29,279 correction second. >> The one Yeah, go ahead. Have you got it? 389 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,360 » Uh, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes for 7226. 390 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,360 I'll second it >> with the corrections of 7:22. 391 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,919 » No, the corrections are on 85. >> Yeah, but Tim wasn't here for 22. We got 392 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,600 to correct that. >> With the correction of removing Tim from 393 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,240 attendees at the meeting of 7:22. >> That easier if you That's what Yeah, 394 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,919 that's >> okay. So Jamie made a motion. Mike 395 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:55,679 seconded July 22nd meeting removing Tim as voting. Jamie, how do you vote? I 396 00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:58,720 vote I. Mike, how do you vote? And I bill vote I. 397 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:03,840 » Now we need a motion to approve the minutes for 8526. 398 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,720 And that's the one where we have to make >> the correction. Just 399 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:09,039 » correction for the Cody Lane was approved. 400 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,799 » Was approved. Yep. Is that a motion? >> That's a motion. 401 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,960 » Second. >> Mike made a motion to approve minutes of 402 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,400 85 with corrections on Cody Lane. Jamie seconded. Mike vote. 403 00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:20,720 » I vote I >> Jamie Addy vote. 404 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:23,520 » I vote I and I vote I. Thank you all. >> That was the most difficult motion for 405 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,320 minutes ever. [laughter] >> Ever. Well, it's the only time we've 406 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:34,720 ever had correct two minutes two forms of minutes. Uh, next up is a quick 407 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:39,600 billing. I literally just had it here. 1,600 bucks for Brandon. 408 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:46,080 » I'm just sorry, that was a bill. >> No, that's an old one. This is uh 1,604. 409 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:50,000 You guys want to review it for work already done? We don't I'm just 410 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:55,200 bringing it up. We don't need to vote on it. Certificate of compliance for 231 411 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:58,880 Manchog Road, 0825. Brandon, I think this is the one I talked to you on. It's 412 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:03,440 from a buddy years ago. Uh yeah, I don't have any of the 413 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:09,520 certificate of compliance uh documents here, but I I do have the old plans if 414 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:15,640 » Yeah, but I believe we got everything in and um it was in substantial build. I 415 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,640 believe 416 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,600 » you guys want to look at the bill. 417 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:32,720 » This is Which one? 418 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:37,559 » It's on meeting materials >> under meeting materials in here. 419 00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:42,120 » Online. >> Online. Okay. 420 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,720 » Okay. Which one are we looking for? >> 231. 421 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:52,320 » I think that I'm under. It's directly across the street from me. 422 00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:57,279 » I'll have to excuse myself if we have to vote. 423 00:28:54,559 --> 00:29:00,799 » It's close enough for me to Bill. I think I'm a direct debut to that. Like I 424 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,720 think it's across the street from me. >> You should probably 425 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,720 » Yeah. Just I wouldn't want >> Is anyone here for 231 manug? 426 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,320 » I don't think so. I think we should just probably table that one till we can 427 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:14,640 » raise their hand. >> Raise your hands if anyone 428 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:21,679 would only be Wayne. >> So what I can do is out of my own stash 429 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:25,120 I have just to get a I have all the the forms. So if you want to do it, you can 430 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,039 at least have something to sign. >> Okay. 431 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,120 » Okay. So just just tell me. >> I'm going to recuse. I'm going to 432 00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:32,159 recuse. I mean, >> this is a completed project. We had I 433 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:37,120 saw it earlier today. We had a letter from the engineers of of complete 434 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:41,880 buildout. >> Everyone okay with that? Mike's excuse. 435 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,880 » I'm okay with it if if you saw it. >> Yeah. Yeah, I did. I just don't know why 436 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,520 it's not >> Yeah. 437 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:59,720 » Okay. I'll make a motion to issue a complete certificate of compliance for 438 00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:59,720 231 Manch Road D number 303 0825. 439 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:06,000 » I'll second. >> Tim made a motion to approve 231 440 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:11,279 Manchark Road. Jamie seconded um vote I >> J vote I bill what I Mike was recused as 441 00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:17,480 he's in a butter. Uh ratify an emergency order for 128 442 00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:17,480 Arms Road. 443 00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:22,000 Does anyone even know what this one's about? 444 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,320 » Yeah. I didn't even know what that >> There's a couple things. 445 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,880 » Oh, this is the beaver dam, I be believe. 446 00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:32,640 » Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> And I thought we already ratified this. 447 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,120 » That's coming from the town, right? >> That's a town. Yep. 448 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:40,080 » Yeah. No, that you're right. It's the beaver receiver that they installed. 449 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:43,039 » Oh, I found 231. >> You found it. Look at that. 450 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,880 » It's not a It's It was under discussions. 451 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:48,559 » Yeah. Oh, we have but we have everything for 452 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:50,720 » two folder. >> But here if you could just keep them 453 00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:56,000 together that'd be great >> with the when you sign 454 00:30:54,399 --> 00:30:58,240 » any I mean that the whole beaver thing's 455 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,559 done right >> you reproduce. 456 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:05,880 » Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't I was just going to pass it right back. Yeah. 457 00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:12,159 » All right. Any questions on the I guess we just make a motion to ratify it. Is 458 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:16,000 that how that works, Bren? >> Yes. 459 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:20,799 » All right. Do we need any discussion on that? 460 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,080 » Uh, no. You can just go ahead and make a motion. And I there's no folder, but 461 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,600 what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you 462 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,080 » a form to sign. >> See if I have the emergency sert. I do 463 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,080 not have emergency. >> We can sign. 464 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:35,039 » I think as long as you ratify it. You got your signature on it, Bill. And as 465 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,559 long as you ratify, I think you're going to be just fine. 466 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,480 » Okay. >> It's online. 467 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,679 » It's online. >> Y. 468 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,559 » Okay. We need a motion on 120 Ozby Road. Now I'll make a motion to ratify 469 00:31:43,451 --> 00:31:48,480 [clears throat] the emergency certificate for 128 Arms Road. 470 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:52,559 » I'll second it. >> Tim motion to ratify 128 Arms Road. Mike 471 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,760 seconded. Tim vote I. >> Mike, how do you vote? 472 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,880 » I vote I. >> Jamie, how do you vote? 473 00:31:54,559 --> 00:32:01,039 » I vote I. Thank you. Thanks for looking for that, Brandon. Okay. Uh, next thing 474 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:06,159 up, we had um raw officers in the audience for 135 Dodgeill Road. This is 475 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:10,960 just an update. I am going to recuse on this. It was my family's land and I was 476 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:12,880 involved. So Mike, just roll with this one. 477 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:16,320 » I got you. >> Good evening, Ro. 478 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:21,360 » Good evening. Uh the client is asking if he can eliminate that drainage system 479 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:26,640 and instead of that plant more trees and shrubs, there is a huge area that can be 480 00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:30,480 planted actually and then fill the wooded area. And I sent some pictures to 481 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,559 Brandon behind the house and to the left of the house when we eliminate I mean 482 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,320 the whole site is surrounded by wetland. So adding more trees and shrubs will 483 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,360 protect the wetland more and also can eliminate the retaining walls that's 484 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:47,519 going to be proposed around the drainage system and keep the the natural grid. 485 00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:51,440 Did anybody have any questions for RAU on this? 486 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,679 » Let me I got this in the plan. Let me read up. 487 00:32:55,919 --> 00:33:01,760 » I did go to the site and the contractor called me and asked me to meet him there 488 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,120 to take a look at it. his site contractor when they were doing the 489 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:08,320 foundation work asked if we could go this route instead 490 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,080 of the chambers buried in the ground. I think it has chambers, correct? 491 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,399 » Yes. >> He was worried about ground water. 492 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:17,120 Basically, he was putting the chambers in ground water. So, he offered to do 493 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:22,640 like rain garden type plantings, you know. So, 494 00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:25,679 » so this wooded and it's all pitched away from the street like so the whole site 495 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,559 isn't pitched towards the road. It's all pitched to the back where all the 496 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,159 plantings would be. So this this huge area behind the house, it's I mean we 497 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:37,360 can plant some trees and shrubs here to fill the area between the wetland and 498 00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:41,600 the house and we can protect more of the wetland area. 499 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:45,519 » See how flat the site is. >> But to do the drainage system, we have 500 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,880 to put some retaining walls and raise the ground so we can get the system 501 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:53,440 outside of out above the ground. >> I mean, I think we're trying to shy away 502 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,919 from buried systems and go to more rain gardens and plantings. 503 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:08,240 And trees absorb between 10 to 150 gallons per day. So planting more trees, 504 00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:13,839 some of them can go up to 300 gallons per day of water. So if we can move to 505 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:17,399 trees and shrubs, we can actually protect more wetlands. 506 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:24,480 » Is there a planting plan? move to you. >> No, we I I was I mean when Sarah was 507 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:28,800 here, I was going to plan to meet with her at the site, but I can meet Brandon 508 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,839 and uh we can just decide on what he likes to see. 509 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,240 » Okay. >> This is an account, 510 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:39,440 Brandon. This was set up >> the I don't know if there's any 53G 511 00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:42,480 money, but this was a 53G NOI review and the money stays in until certificate 512 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,159 compliance is issued. >> I my I haven't looked it up, but I'm 513 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,520 guessing there's money left. >> I would, you know, second the county. I 514 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,560 would sure there's enough time. >> Yeah. 515 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,560 » To meet on site with Robing the plantings. 516 00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:58,800 » Tim, >> this Well, no, that this is they're 517 00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:01,440 requesting what? A field change. >> Yeah, a minor field change. 518 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:05,400 » A minor field change. I'd like to see the planting schedule before 519 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:12,560 I know that I don't know what we're talking about. 520 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,880 Three trees, five trees, 10 trees. It's not on the plan. And if it's not on the 521 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,440 plan, >> yeah, it's uh 522 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,240 » if it's not followed, we don't have the reference point. 523 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:24,079 » It's basically whatever uh Brandon will see that's going to be good for the site 524 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:27,359 to protect the wetland, that's what we're going to work on. 525 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,800 » Okay. So, if we continue it and Brandon gets out and they determine what they 526 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,760 need to do and put it on a plan, I I think I, you know, I wouldn't have an 527 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:38,079 issue. >> I have to agree with Jamie. I mean, just 528 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,760 you should if you could just mock up the plan, show us where they're going to go 529 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,359 and exactly what you're going to do. >> No problem. Sure. 530 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,960 » Yeah. I would agree with that. >> We meet in two weeks and you got you got 531 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,440 a couple of months left before >> No problem. 532 00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:51,280 » Sure. We lose growing season. All right. >> All right. Thanks. 533 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,400 » All right. Thank you so much, Ralph. We'll see you at the next meeting. 534 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,400 » Thank you. 535 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,839 » You guys 536 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,880 uh enforcement issues. Um 72 Main Street is still on here. I assume there's 537 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,760 nothing or Brandon, correct me if I'm wrong. Is there anything to talk about 538 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:14,960 on that right now for 72 Main Street? Any updates? 539 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:19,280 » No. Uh Douglas is is uh has the hands full with it. Uh but I don't think 540 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:23,680 there's any action uh needs to be taken by this board. Um you made it clear that 541 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:30,720 the last meeting that you want to keep it open uh just basically to reserve 542 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:36,520 your right which is good idea. Um and Douglas is uh continuing to work on 543 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,520 their end. 544 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:42,320 » All right. Um >> did you hear this? 545 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,680 » That goes with 400 Boston. Next up, 320 Putham Hill Road. Jamie, that would be 546 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:51,440 your update, I believe. >> Yes. Uh, I did a site visit on Thursday 547 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:56,320 of last week. Um, we had requested at the last meeting that they fully on the 548 00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:01,119 downhill slope of the disturbance that they add additional silt fence. It was 549 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:05,680 installed and installed properly. And there's also a silt fence that needs to 550 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:10,560 be installed around where they're going to store the removed materials. 551 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:15,119 uh that was not up because they're waiting to locate a contract. They're 552 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:18,240 waiting to find a contractor and and have the contractor determine. We gave 553 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,800 them the flexibility as to where they put it. Um and wait for the contractor 554 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,200 to determine where he would put it and then we'll do another site visit at that 555 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,560 time. >> That's the update. 556 00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:30,720 » Perfect. Any questions on that update? >> No. 557 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,560 » And I they that was nice that Jared asked if he needed to be on and he was 558 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,599 here so keeps it moving. Okay. Um Burbank Road. 559 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,119 Jim, >> I need to recuse myself. 560 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:45,119 » Jamie's gonna recuse and uh just kind of go over this. Jim, Jim and Jess, thanks 561 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,560 for coming in. If you want to come up, you're welcome. 562 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,560 » Tim, uh Brandon, have you been out there at all? 563 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:54,320 » Yeah, I went out there today. >> Okay. Would you like to uh And Mike and 564 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,160 I went out last Thursday and met with Jeff Graves. 565 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,000 » Um do you want to start with it or do you want 566 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:05,040 » Well, I was specifically asked to look at the wetland application area. 567 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:08,000 » Okay. I know that that uh you had a site work yourself, Mr. chairman. 568 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,320 » Yeah. >> Recently. 569 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:15,520 » Yep. Last Thursday. >> Okay. So, last Thursday. And I was there 570 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:24,040 today uh at the request of uh commission member to check out the well and 571 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,040 replication area. Um let me 572 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,640 Okay. 573 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:48,000 Okay. So the performance standard on wetland replication area construction 574 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:52,640 is that after uh two growing seasons, well there are some other caveats, but 575 00:38:49,520 --> 00:39:00,000 we're at the point now where the the big uh standard is that after two uh full 576 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:09,119 growing seasons, at least 75% of the replication area is populated by 577 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:14,400 uh indigenous plant species. Okay? And uh we most certainly have that. Um 578 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:18,400 when you do a weather replication, you're supposed to replicate like for 579 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:23,920 like, right? So if it was a forested swamp, in the end, you want it to be a 580 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:29,599 forested swamp and so on and so forth. This was a forested swamp. So what they 581 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:34,560 did is they planted trees and shrubs and then in the you know, in the herbaceous 582 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:39,440 layer they they put down a seed mix. Uh 583 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:46,800 I'm not going to say that this is I in my opinion overall this uh well and 584 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:53,040 replication area is compliant. Uh the first third of it uh at the entrance is 585 00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:59,359 a little strange to me because it's mostly populated by a grass called 586 00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:04,079 barnyard grass which is a like a weed grass. It's native but it's like a weed 587 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:08,960 grass. It's not something that would you would see in a seed mix. Okay. But as 588 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:15,680 soon as you get about one/ird in there, it clears up and the vegetation is much 589 00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:22,880 lower. You see a lot more u wetland uh herbaceous vegetation. I saw one dead 590 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:27,359 swamp white oak and there are a couple others on the right side that are that 591 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:35,200 are flagging. So that's something that I would I would keep your eye on. Um but 592 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:40,640 uh that first third this area here see it's just it's it's like a jungle. It 593 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:45,680 the the grass is taller than me. Okay. 594 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:49,359 But then you get past that and it's open, you get a lot of the the what I 595 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:56,000 call quote unquote normal herbaceous species in the understory. The trees are 596 00:40:51,839 --> 00:41:00,640 doing just fine over here. Uh so what's going on close to the road? I I don't 597 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:04,480 know. But I think that it it should be looked into because what I did here is I 598 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:10,240 took a picture right down that line to the left is all the barnyard grass which 599 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:15,599 by the way is not a wetland species. Uh in the understory like down by the 600 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:21,920 ground uh in that jungle is another plant called bitterdock that is also not 601 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:28,560 a wetland species. So, I recommend that the wetland scientist who uh helped to 602 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:34,400 build this, it is supposed to be on call to do the inspections and uh corrections 603 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:39,839 if needed, be be called to to take a look because there's a major difference 604 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:46,720 between this and the 7 foot tall uh barnyard grass and this and the normal 605 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:50,560 uh wetland vegetation over here. Okay, 606 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,400 here's here's one of the that that's the one dead tree. That's a swamp white oak, 607 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,960 which which is kind of confusing because the other swamp white oaks in there are 608 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:03,920 doing great. And then this is a picture of Lago going 609 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:08,720 uphill, but uh that's what we have still technically in 610 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:14,640 compliance, but you have another full growing season to go. My recommendation 611 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:21,520 is to get the I believe it was Glenn uh get him back to see what's going on 612 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:26,319 and give an opinion to uh Mr. Lennand as to what might need to be done if 613 00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:30,079 anything. >> That's it. 614 00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:35,280 » Thank you very much. Um any questions from the board? Jim, anything to add or 615 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:37,839 » No, it was Glenn he's talking about. So I'll reach out to Glenn. 616 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,760 » And one dead tree is actually not bad. All things considered, that's pretty 617 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,920 good odds. >> Yeah. 75% of them need to to need to 618 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,800 live. And if only one's dead, you're still within that, but there's I saw two 619 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,000 others that were flagging. >> Okay. 620 00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:49,920 » Yeah. >> All right. 621 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:55,359 » There were 20 total. >> Were there 20? Okay. 622 00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:59,680 » Uh, anything else that you need to go over on that? 623 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,680 » No. Uh, maybe it uh again I I focused on the replication area and I will hand it 624 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:06,480 over to >> All right. So, Mike and I went Thursday, 625 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,920 met with um last Thursday, week tomorrow. Jeff Graves, man on site. I 626 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:15,839 think we there probably half hour, 45 minutes. Um, overall pretty productive 627 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:20,240 meeting. Mike, do you want to talk about um 628 00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:25,119 so me and Jeff Walsh and Bill were there on Thursday. We started up at the street 629 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,800 and it was a site visit just to walk the entire site to see what wasn't completed 630 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:32,079 and what was completed. We were under the assumption that we 631 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:36,079 would be going to a more completed project than we saw 632 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:40,400 through the approval process through conservation. 633 00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:47,520 One of the conditions was that before we started any construction of a home 634 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:53,200 that this roadway would be completed. Um 635 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:59,359 started building enforcement, get back on track. I think sometime in 636 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:02,960 March or April, we allowed work to go on on the other side with a completion date 637 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:07,280 of end of July. They asked for June, we gave them till July. So, I think that's 638 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:11,920 why me and Bill reached out at the beginning of August to see where we were 639 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,920 as far as completion of the project. Um, 640 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:23,599 if we start at the beginning of the road on the left side, there's quality 641 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:28,240 swelles that weren't they weren't done. Jeff Walsh said they 642 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:31,440 weren't. There was infiltration trenches front left going in where telephone 643 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,680 poles proposed. Yeah, >> these quality swailes and that trench 644 00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:39,520 » and then the trench on the right side wasn't completed. 645 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:44,079 So, there's a few things left at the beginning of the entrance of the road. 646 00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:49,200 And then as we traveled down, everything looked good over the bridge. And when we 647 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:53,280 got to the end of the bridge, there was storing of construction 648 00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:56,160 equipment in the resource area that in your order conditions says not to. There 649 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,920 was an excavator and a dump truck there that day. So, we just ask you to be 650 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:05,200 mindful for that in your order conditions. Keep your equipment out of 651 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:09,839 the the area of the wetland. 652 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:12,640 And then it appears that the elevation on the right side of 653 00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:17,839 the driveway was much different than the approved plan. And we didn't notice that 654 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:21,200 there was no grading. There was no quality. 655 00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:25,000 There was no water quality swelles. There was no check dams. 656 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:35,200 And Jeff Walsh said that if that was his intent, there would be a a new plan. a 657 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:39,119 new plan to reference what his >> changes were and his concerns were was 658 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,480 this grading and how that water would be captured in this upper section because 659 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,640 this is where the biggest change started taking place as this load was much lower 660 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:51,031 than the upper road. >> Yeah. Well, the two driveways go 661 00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:55,119 parallel kind of kind of parallel. [snorts] 662 00:45:52,720 --> 00:46:00,160 » So, I guess we were surprised to see why it's not 663 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:04,800 completed. It appears that the plan isn't being 664 00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:08,319 followed with grading and elevations, but I'll let you guys speak. Maybe it 665 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,200 is. It's not done. So, >> it's not done. That's the answer. It's 666 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,319 under construction and that's the only area I have to store materials. So, 667 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,920 that's where the materials go >> and the road is under construction 668 00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:20,800 still. So, I can't build quality swailes in an area where I have to store 669 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:26,079 material. >> So, it's just 670 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,440 getting it's under construction. The um the trucks weren't weren't stored where 671 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,119 the swailes are. >> This whole right side as you go up the 672 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:36,079 driveway isn't even close to completion. He was 673 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,200 engineer. >> Uh my name's Mike Scott. I'm working for 674 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,440 Jim on this. >> Well, welcome Mike. 675 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,599 » You want to look at the plan of what we're talking about? 676 00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:47,200 » I think I'm familiar with it. I was out there yesterday. Okay. I've seen. 677 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,292 » Yeah. So, so when we left it and I don't know when the last meeting was, but it 678 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:54,400 was left that by July 31st or August [clears throat] 1st that that would be 679 00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:57,040 done because it was the summer months. It's not done. Just looking for an 680 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:02,560 update and if you're going to change something, just let us know. Put it on 681 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:06,480 the plan. Um I think the bridgeway was fine. The 682 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,839 entrance was a little bit and I think part of it was the telephone pole was 683 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:14,880 going to go in. I don't think we're too concerned about that. I I don't want to 684 00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:18,960 speak for anybody, but this area as you go right where the two levels of road or 685 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,400 driveway are now completely different. >> Talking about when you get past the 686 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,520 pavement. >> Past the pavement. Yeah. when you take a 687 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,920 right after the bridge or start to take a right. Um that's just different. 688 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:33,920 » Yeah, that area is upgrading of the two rows of erosion control barriers. Lo 689 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:38,240 pile seated. It's fully stabilized. Um and Brandon, you were there today. I 690 00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:41,760 took pictures as well. There's no evidence of any erosion. There started 691 00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:46,079 cutting in the driveway on the left, the second lot. That's low. It was dry when 692 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,839 I was out there yesterday, even despite some of the heavy rains we've had. So, 693 00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:53,280 you know, I I don't see I didn't see any evidence of any erosion even up or any 694 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:57,359 sediment even up to the first barrier, never mind beyond the first barrier. And 695 00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,640 again, I did read the order. He's allowed to stockpile or stage anywhere 696 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,920 within a limit of disturbance, that's what I see as going on. I certainly 697 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,200 didn't see any equipment in the wetland. And if there had been equipment in the 698 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:10,880 in the wetland, if you're talking the wetland resource 699 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:13,440 with equipment or were you talking >> down right by the bridge? 700 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:16,880 » It's in the buffer zone, >> right? And it's in his order conditions. 701 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,400 He's not supposed to store it there. supposed to be outside the buffer zone. 702 00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:23,520 » So then I didn't see I didn't see any equipment stored there. I was there 703 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,599 yesterday. So you know if you saw it, you saw it. [clears throat] Um but there 704 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:30,720 you go. That's that's obviously a no. >> It wasn't there overnight. So I'm not 705 00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:32,640 sure what time you guys are there, but it wasn't there overnight. 706 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,359 » Were there workers there? >> No, I didn't. Well, we didn't go up to 707 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:40,960 the house. It didn't appear anyone was working at the house. We went up as far 708 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:43,119 as where where it goes right where >> where the work stopped. 709 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,599 » Where Yeah. Where where the work stopped. 710 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:49,200 » Could see the house. See the house from a distance. didn't see anybody up there. 711 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:53,040 So, >> I guess the biggest thing is what's the 712 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:55,200 update on what needs to be built? What's the game plan on [clears throat] that 713 00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:59,040 timeline? >> I'm still working on the grading of that 714 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:03,119 that driveway. I excavated the left driveway to subgrade. That's why it 715 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:08,640 looks so low. There's areas where there were lots of loom. Um, and that's the 716 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,240 status it's at. >> So, and as I understand, you have power 717 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:14,240 coming in the left side. So that's why those 718 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,280 » still working with national grid to get the power squared away 719 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,839 » where the red and white stake was. I saw that. Yeah, you're waiting for poll. 720 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,400 » That's their pole locations and then they're supposed to have a plan also to 721 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:28,960 show there's underground routes where there's going to be pedestals and temper 722 00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:32,079 uh house meters on pedestals and a transformer and I don't have that plan 723 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:38,079 yet from them. on the street end of the disturbance 724 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:43,440 before the pavement by pacing it. That buffer zone area has been seated and 725 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:47,599 stabilized. His stockpile or staging where he's got the materials up by the 726 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:51,359 street that's well beyond the 100 ft. On the other side, clearly there's still 727 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,480 buffer zone that's exposed right up to the even the replication area because 728 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,920 you have that little >> pulloff there. 729 00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:57,280 » Yep. >> Yeah. 730 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,960 » That that's where the >> that's not our concerns. uh concerns is 731 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,800 the right side that's not completed. >> Well, that's what I'm talking about. The 732 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,800 right side across the >> a house under construction. 733 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:10,640 » Yeah. >> And we had already given him 734 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,359 granted him more time and allowed him to work on the other 735 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,520 » valid for a whole year from now. I think a year and a half. 736 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,800 » Isn't that true? >> Yeah, the order is valid, but that was 737 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,599 supposed to be completed prior to started construction of the house. 738 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,119 » We've only started any construction of the house. 739 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,440 » I didn't see that as a specific condition. That's what I'm getting at. 740 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:31,599 It was one of the meetings on the order conditions, but it was 741 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,079 » wasn't in one of the enforcement orders. I didn't I just didn't see it. So, I'm 742 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,079 just asking the question as a >> wasn't anyone 743 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:38,800 » someone who read it for the first time today. 744 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:42,559 » So, we had a meeting back in March or April that I have to pull the 745 00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:47,520 » him to work on the other side because he could only work to a certain point and 746 00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:51,119 then we were doing phase two and phase two was this last part of the road. Was 747 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:53,839 face is phase two within the buffer zone and within your jurisdiction or you 748 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:56,960 talking about areas way beyond your jurisdiction? 749 00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,319 » No, it falls in our jurisdiction through the Sutton bylaw under the 750 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,680 » Brandon, you want >> He hasn't. 751 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:08,559 » I'm I'm I'm going to look up memos here. Okay. Well, I so I guess the question is 752 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:13,680 or from what I see having done this for Jim two visits now, 753 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:17,520 once with Jeff and Brandon and then yesterday is that the buffer zone area 754 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:23,040 is effectively stabilized between the road and the crossing. On the other 755 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:27,040 side, the buffer zone is in a in a state of construction and under the order is 756 00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:30,480 allowed to stockpile or stage within the buffer zone. That's explicit. It's 757 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:34,079 within any area that's to be disturbed. That's what I saw. I didn't see any 758 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,359 evidence of erosion or sedimentation to the wetland. So that would be my report. 759 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,079 I don't know if Jeff wrote you a report when you were out there. 760 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,280 » I'm not disputing any of that. Right. We walked the hay bale line. It needed a 761 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,920 few. We didn't see any spoils beyond the edge 762 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,079 of >> the limited disturbance. 763 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:50,960 » Right. So I'm just trying to get to the point of where your jurisdiction starts 764 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,960 and ends. And if if there was something that's not written down, that's all I'm 765 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,599 trying to figure out. >> I think we got something here. Brandon, 766 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,839 did you want to >> that that was a memo that was 767 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:01,440 » So Brandon, I think what he's trying to say is anything outside the 100 ft, they 768 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,440 don't have to answer to us for it. >> I disagree. 769 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:09,839 » Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure he does. >> Right. Because because we have a we have 770 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:17,200 a catchment area that leads to the storm water system which gets goes into the 771 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:26,640 buffer zone. So any work in the catchment area that is not per the plan 772 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:31,119 uh it means that water is not flowing in either the direction or in the manner in 773 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:37,359 which it was intended which ultimately goes down and impacts the AWR and 774 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:40,960 resource area. So, you know, and I think that holds true 775 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:45,359 under the Wellness Protection Act, but it certainly holds true under the 776 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:50,559 Wellland Protection bylaw. Okay. So, right now, the grading scheme 777 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:53,920 is effectively draining in the same direction. The swailes aren't there. No 778 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:57,920 question. But in terms of the overall site grading, he hasn't redirected the 779 00:52:55,839 --> 00:53:01,520 hill to the I don't know which direction it is. East, I guess. It hasn't hasn't 780 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,119 broken over towards the house. So everything's still coming down to the 781 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:10,880 same localized low area, which is immediately to the right of the past the 782 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,160 bridge, the area you're talking about. Um, so I'd contend that there's no 783 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:18,800 change to drainage patterns and the work's not been finished. There's 784 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:22,240 actually probably less or about the same amount of disturbed area that was 785 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:26,480 required. And I'm going back to a survey that was done by who was your 786 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,160 » who was your land planning >> planning land planning did an as looking 787 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:34,319 at that looks like he's within his limits of disturbance. And again, if 788 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:39,839 there's no greater footprint of disturbance and if there's no obvious 789 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:46,079 setting aside schedule, but if there's no obvious um damage to the wetland or 790 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:50,240 infringement, it seems like he's working in, you know, good standing from my 791 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:52,720 perspective. Again, setting aside a schedule because I'm not familiar with 792 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:57,359 that, but >> that's what I think we were trying to 793 00:53:53,680 --> 00:54:00,720 look for is a schedule. Um, so I guess just an update as the 794 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,480 engineer. When what's the time frame that you think that area is going to be 795 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,400 built? >> I mean, you need place to store 796 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,040 material. >> Well, I didn't see any material stored 797 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,680 in that area. >> I you saw a pile of rocks and pile of 798 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,119 logs. >> Pile of rocks, pile of mulch, pile of 799 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,240 loom. There kind of stuff over there. Yeah, 800 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,280 » it it appeared to be all like uh growing like green, but 801 00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:26,880 » yeah, the lone piles will stabilize. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, logs logs rock. No, 802 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,640 everything p everything ped stable. Yeah. I'm not 803 00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:34,720 » It's the infiltration trench that's at the edge of the road and all these water 804 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:39,440 quality swailes to control all the water. We're some of the reasons we 805 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:46,280 conditioned the job wanting it done is we're going into another winter. Wind's 806 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,280 order conditions over. 807 00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:52,160 Uh, okay. Let's take a look. >> I can tell you that because I have it 808 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,680 » because these water quality swells in that trench is a big part of where all 809 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,160 this water and like Brandon says, it directly feeds into the resource area, 810 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:03,359 » right? >> And this is the plan he brought to us 811 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:07,040 and all that grading on that left side or right side as you go up is necessary 812 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,680 for all those >> things to work to go down. 813 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:15,680 » The water quality swels, we've had discussions about it. The road that's 814 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:19,520 now is not it. It appears he did a big cut on the right side. If you look at 815 00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:22,800 the bend of the road, it shows all the grading on both roads to be equal. 816 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,559 » Yeah, it's definitely lower. >> So, what we're saying is if he's going 817 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,000 to modify the plan, he should come in front of us because that 818 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:33,440 » way to subgrade. >> No, no, the the road that goes up to the 819 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,280 first house is lower. >> The left road is it's 820 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:39,680 » the one on the left appears to be by the plan 821 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:41,839 » as you go up. The one on the left, I would say, is by the plan. It's at 822 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,400 subgroup. >> It's the other one that's lower. 823 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:47,680 » It's the one on the right. And the one on the right is where all this 824 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:51,520 infiltration and all these water quality swells take place. And you see where 825 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:55,359 they start, how far up the hill, right? And how it all directly runs right down 826 00:55:53,200 --> 00:56:00,640 into the resource area. All of it. >> Well, it it runs down into the buffer. 827 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:04,000 Yes. Your local resource area, I think. >> Well, we don't have a buffer zone in 828 00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:07,040 this town. We only have resource area. Our definitions under our bylaw are 829 00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:10,400 there is no buffer zone. We only have resource area. 830 00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:14,480 » So, we consider the buffer zone just as precious as the resource area. 831 00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:16,640 » Understood? And It's the area that was permitted for construction, 832 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,319 » right? >> Okay. 833 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,760 » So, our question is when's it going to be completed? We're getting going into 834 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:25,839 another winter. >> This needs to be stabilized. That's what 835 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,400 stops all the water. We were told this would be completed before any 836 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,319 construction of the houses. >> That's not accurate, Mike. Stop saying 837 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,920 that. >> You want to play the meeting? 838 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,079 » That's not accurate. >> We have to find that. We 839 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,440 » That's not accurate, Mike. You keep saying that, but that's not accurate. 840 00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:42,000 » Jim, at the meeting, we can play it. It was Listen to it. Play it 841 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:44,400 » where where your engineer with you sitting right next to him and his final 842 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,440 words. >> We don't have it here, but we can pull 843 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,599 you have the you have >> I can find it in my phone. 844 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,799 » All right, then pull pull the >> You want us to play the meeting where 845 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,280 you say that there'll be no construction of any homes until this roadway is 846 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,680 completed? >> A public meeting. 847 00:56:56,319 --> 00:57:00,079 » Find that where you required me to do that. 848 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,920 » Find out where you required me to do that, Mike. 849 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,160 » Well, so that would be helpful to know the dates. 850 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,280 » I'll just We can play the meeting. It's not 851 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,280 » just telling you what we would >> I have minutes of every meeting, Mike. I 852 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,680 can hand them to you and you can go through the documents. I'm not going to 853 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,599 go through my phone right now. We'll get them to very confident that at the 854 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,359 meeting we were told there was no construction of these homes until this 855 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,720 road was >> I don't want to delay the meeting. Look 856 00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:18,720 it up. >> Mike, you know how you know that's not 857 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,760 accurate? Because you went to the building commissioner and told him not 858 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,760 to issue me a building permit until this is squared away. And he issued me a 859 00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:28,079 building permit because it was squared away. 860 00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:30,000 » I disagree. >> That's accurate. Michael, 861 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,520 » I didn't go to the building department and tell them not to issue a 862 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,559 » Sure. >> You did. 863 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,960 » That's not true. >> Guys, we're not getting anywhere. We'll 864 00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:40,240 get you the We'll get you the information. get you the information. 865 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:44,400 » So, in return, if I may, yeah, >> it sounds like you're looking for an 866 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,079 updated plan with where he's at, >> what the final intention is. 867 00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:48,160 » Yeah. >> If it deviates from 868 00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:51,280 » if it Yeah. If the plan's going to change, if this is going to be 100% 869 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,880 built per the plan, >> then I'm personally don't worry because 870 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,119 it's in writing, but if you're going to change the plan, 871 00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:59,920 » then you want an update. Understand? Yeah. And then it would be a 872 00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:02,799 consideration of whether it required a new hearing or it's just a correct. 873 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,799 » Yeah. Yeah. >> Absolutely. 874 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,799 » Yeah. Jamie has an imputter. 875 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,559 For the record, Jamie is recused on us. 876 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:22,799 » Um, just for my purpose, you're the new engineer of record on the project. 877 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,799 » I am working on the project. That's correct. 878 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,599 » So, you're not the engineer of record. What's your relationship? 879 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:30,240 » At this point, I will be taking over the design. 880 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:35,760 » So, that's how many? >> Well, I'm I'm Wayne Bell's partner who 881 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,920 was here previously. So, All right, LBC, same company. 882 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,520 » Um, what I would like to mention today is 99 Burbank, which is the project 883 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:47,119 that's being built across the street. They're currently accumulating fill in 884 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:52,000 the project. Monday night, I uh we had probably a quarter of an inch of rain, 885 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:58,559 not a material amount of rain. the septic plan. The septic plan which 886 00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:04,319 was filed with the board of health shows the silt fence line is right on the 100 887 00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:07,920 foot line from the wetland area 888 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:14,000 approximately. Um in that rainstorm the silt fence 889 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:18,960 failed. I sent pictures to Mike and Bill and there was material that made its way 890 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:22,480 if if the fence is in the right place as per 891 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:26,160 the plan, there were materials that made its way into the resource area. 892 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:29,200 » So, you're saying it made it into the jurisdiction of the conservation? 893 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,839 » Yes, it did. >> Okay. 894 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:35,440 » The materials being placed there, there's no compaction going on. There's 895 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:40,000 they just it continues to grow and grow and grow. And 896 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:45,280 um the first significant rain that we've had, not even a significant rain, um 897 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:50,559 washed a a significant the silt fence failed 898 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:56,240 and it washed a a from the road. It appeared that it that the debris went 899 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:58,559 probably 20 ft into the resource area. >> You saw that from the road? 900 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,960 » Saw that from the road. >> Your pictures are from the road. 901 00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:06,559 » My pictures are from the road. >> So that's that. You can see it from the 902 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,480 road. You stand on the stone wall right on the road. You can look right in. 903 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,640 » So with that being said, it's a >> I'm not involved in this project. 904 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:16,000 » Okay. I I would >> I came here for 126. I don't know. 905 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,359 » We're on 12. What's the number of that, Jim? 906 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:22,880 » 99. >> So 99 Burbank. If that falls under the 907 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:27,200 jurisdiction of this board, please just make sure you file 908 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:31,119 a just double check it. If it's >> I had a hearing here with you guys 909 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,680 because I redesigned that property to take it out because it was a previous 910 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,839 order conditions on a previous design that was done 911 01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:39,520 » and you like voted it out. Yeah. >> Now it's right and now it's completely 912 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,799 outside the buffer zone completely. I've been there before, during, and after 913 01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:48,240 multiple rainstorms and there's been zero issues. 914 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:52,480 Shortly before uh Jamie trespassed, there was a well company that was there 915 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,760 and they were doing a well test to get the water. They had a generator and the 916 01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:00,400 well running for eight hours. I didn't know this that one point of source of 917 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:04,799 water was going right down to that exact point he's talking about. I walked this 918 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:07,760 with building commissioner. He saw exactly what happened. You can see the 919 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:13,599 runoff right from the well directly down to where that was the a 920 01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:17,599 unique event, not a rainstorm. Had nothing to do with rainstorm. Upon 921 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:20,559 finding this out, I immediately fixed it. Building commissioner thought it was 922 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:25,680 a non-issue. >> I saw the sil fence. He's the He's your 923 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:31,200 storm water management guy and he recognized it as a non-issue. 924 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:33,440 » So 8 ft past the I rectified it and I took care of it. 925 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,880 » Yeah. Because we're not even really it's brought up by the butter and if it falls 926 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:40,000 in the jurisdiction of conservation, you know, you need to file and come in front 927 01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:44,880 of us. If it's not in our jurisdiction, I I would say it's not our problem. 928 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:47,119 » It's designed to be outside that and it's going to stay outside that. 929 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,319 » Okay. >> 100%. 930 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:55,200 Jamie, >> in terms of I I would disagree that it 931 01:01:52,640 --> 01:02:00,480 was solely a the result of the well test. If you look at the entrance to the 932 01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:05,599 site, the it appears as though based on grading, the road water runs across the 933 01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:11,280 top of the pad of the site and there were signs of erosion in the top surface 934 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:14,319 of the material that was deposited there. So I don't 935 01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:17,599 » if you'd like to have Brandon come to the site and meet with me during the 936 01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:20,880 next rainstorm. We can watch all the rain and see how far it doesn't it does 937 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,480 go down the hill. It doesn't go close to the 938 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:27,920 » That's all I >> Thank you, Jamie. If if you're okay with 939 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:30,079 that where it's not under our control, if you're okay with Brandon going on 940 01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:33,200 there, that's >> more than happy to show. Brandon, the 941 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:37,599 silk fence is installed by SNM Farms. It's doing its job. John Coocher also 942 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,799 agreed. It's installed properly. It's doing its job. 943 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:45,119 » Yep. There was one little breach caused by the well with an excessive amount of 944 01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:46,880 water coming in a short amount of time >> and I fixed it. 945 01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:49,359 » You fixed it. Okay. >> He's outside of jurisdiction. 946 01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:51,599 » That's what see if you're outside of jur if you come in our jurisdiction come 947 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,160 find us. If you're outside of our jurisdiction 948 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:58,480 » coming down and if it was one event with a well I 949 01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,040 just fix the fence and clean it up and you did it. That's all I would have 950 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,799 that's all we would have asked. I mean >> you know where the 100 feet is. 951 01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:10,079 » That's it. >> Okay. Back to 12. Any other discussion 952 01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:12,720 on 126? Is this something different that you wanted to go over, Brandon? 953 01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:17,920 » Nope. I just want to know what your action items are. 954 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:22,799 » What What What do we want to have? What do we want to do and what do we want to 955 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:27,359 have resolved for the next meeting? >> I mean, the construction I just 956 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,319 » I guess what? >> Schedule and I'll I'll have it 957 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:34,480 stabilized by the winter. I'm assuming I I would want to have it done 958 01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:36,640 » by then, but that's my goal. So, I don't know. But it's not. 959 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,079 » Yeah, >> I'm not restricted to a timeline. I'm 960 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,880 doing it the best I can. I'm a small company, so it's in process is all I can 961 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,079 tell you. I don't know. >> Will there be any deviations to the plan 962 01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:48,400 that you know of that you'll have to get a new plan? 963 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,599 » To be determined. I'm trying to figure that out. 964 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,760 » You want a balance cut fill on the site? You keep saying that some 965 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:56,559 » No, no, no. >> Doing the best I can. They're looking 966 01:03:54,720 --> 01:04:00,000 for just if you make changes to the elevation of the driveways where the 967 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,160 storm water that's all we care about 968 01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:05,200 » when an official >> if they make a change to any upgrading 969 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,440 of the roads that would affect those quality swailes that's where we would 970 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,039 want to >> just update the plan 971 01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:11,119 » be an update >> right 972 01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:14,720 » yes >> driveway on the left at the top of the 973 01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:21,760 hill the other house on we I mean that's all very far it's all flat up there it's 974 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:23,760 so to us after the site visit that's our only concerns was to complete that right 975 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:28,240 side >> that My only question on it was the the 976 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,480 far right. I wasn't personally concerned about the beginning because you got a 977 01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:33,599 telephone pole going in. You're going to be disturbing it again. And 978 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,960 » we're just making note of what wasn't done. 979 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:41,119 » To me, that's refreshing his D sign. You could barely even see it. 980 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:44,559 » Yeah. To me, there's a reason it's >> you're supposed to be able to see. Yeah. 981 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:48,559 » Take the spray can and just spray paint it again. 982 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,760 » Those are ongoing maintenance things. And you should go through your erosion 983 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:54,079 control line. There was spots that it needed 984 01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:58,799 » on the left side. Yeah. Couple walking into the woods, but just make sure you 985 01:04:55,839 --> 01:05:01,520 maintain your erosion controls. >> I think that was all. 986 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:05,039 » I was happy with the area Brandon looked at. I I did see the dead tree, but I was 987 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:08,000 like I didn't go in. I didn't walk in. >> It was a certain percentage, 988 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:10,559 » but I thought that grew pretty well personally. 989 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:14,880 » I as well thought the resource area looked fine. 990 01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:22,160 » It it's it is growing well. Um this that first third is the plants in there do 991 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:28,400 not correspond with what the hydraology should be and 992 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:30,400 I have I I have a hypothesis but I can't like 993 01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:32,799 » doesn't matter. >> It doesn't matter. You just I I 994 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:36,799 recommend calling Glenn. >> Okay. So let's have Glenn take a look at 995 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:41,920 that if you can and then keep us posted on when you go right that area that 996 01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:44,319 hasn't been built yet. Uh, it was my understanding that was supposed to be 997 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,920 done before the house was built. I'll take some time and going through YouTube 998 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,839 and all that. If I can find it, we'll look through the minutes. 999 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:56,079 I just want to keep the project moving forward, but I want to get the stop. 1000 01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:01,520 » No. And I I'd like to see that done before the winter just because I don't 1001 01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:07,760 if you know water runs downhill. That's that's it. Yes, I only asking because at 1002 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:12,400 the meeting and I we will get you where you and Ruf are sitting right there in 1003 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:15,520 that chair and you one of our only concern through the whole approval 1004 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:21,039 because we had had trouble on other sites that we conditioned them so that 1005 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:25,280 the projects got completed. It started with Old Mill Road and it was a similar 1006 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,559 driveway and that was fresh on our mind. So when we did this approval, we just 1007 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:32,880 wanted to make sure the road got built in accordance with the plan before they 1008 01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:36,319 started building the roof, the ro the houses at the top and the storm water 1009 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:39,760 and the water started to come down the hill. And Mike, we talked about this 1010 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,960 because there was such an excessive cut up there of material and fill for the 1011 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:46,559 driveway that I would utilize that material from the house build to also 1012 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,240 build the driveway. We had that discussion here. 1013 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,760 » Wait. >> So it was a it was a concurrent 1014 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:55,760 operation that had to happen. We talked about that. 1015 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,240 » Okay. All right. I mean that you have the approved plan. I mean 1016 01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,680 » I build a road up and then all of a sudden I got a thousand yards come out 1017 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,799 of a foundation. Then that doesn't make any sense, right? So I would take the 1018 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:07,920 foundation material and utilize that on site. So 1019 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:12,000 » right now the road at the fork is 7 ft lower than the plant. I mean we didn't 1020 01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:16,079 take lasers out and Jeff Wal said he never verified any elevations but 1021 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:19,520 there's a huge discrepancy from elevations from the approved plant to 1022 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:22,799 what's out there. You can see it. You can see it walking the site. You can see 1023 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:29,280 the elevations that are existing and proposed. It's 7 ft lower right now 1024 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:32,640 where the pavement shortly after ends >> as you start to go right going through 1025 01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:34,640 from the road >> as you start 1026 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:40,079 » even at where the fork is. The whole thing is 7 ft lower than it's supposed 1027 01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:43,119 to be. So what he was supposed to do is he had a little bit of a cut and that 1028 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:47,520 went over here and then this had to get filled in. So if he had material from up 1029 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:50,640 top he would bring it down here but this part of the look 626. 1030 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:54,720 » Yeah. >> And it's supposed to be 1031 01:07:53,520 --> 01:08:00,640 628. >> So two foot difference. 1032 01:07:56,319 --> 01:08:03,799 » No, no, no. This one down here 626. >> This one. 1033 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,599 » The point being follow the plan. It doesn't matter. 1034 01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,680 » And if you're going to verify change from the plan, just update the plan. 1035 01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:12,319 » Understood. >> Keep us posted. 1036 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:17,120 » We'll do. >> Thank you both. Thanks for coming in. 1037 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:21,759 Any other questions? Everybody good? All right. 17 and 19 Pinepoint Road. 1038 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,759 Brandon, do you know anything about this? 1039 01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:30,000 » Zero. Didn't hear I was like like an old road. 1040 01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:32,239 Parents used to live down the end. >> It's just an old dirt road on Ramsan 1041 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,159 Lake. >> Yeah. Um someone call with a complaint 1042 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:40,239 and it never >> I'll have to check the file. I don't 1043 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:43,759 know. This again, apologies. This is all stuff that came in when Sarah was here. 1044 01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:47,440 So, I'm figuring out as I go. >> I was thinking somebody called and 1045 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:52,480 complained. You would think down there. 1046 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:57,120 Uh there's a bunch of can I mean? >> Yeah. Somebody probably took a tree down 1047 01:08:55,199 --> 01:09:00,359 the neighbors. I'm guessing 1048 01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:17,120 his emergency certificate for 128 road. >> It's not 128. It's 1719. 1049 01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:20,799 » Do you have Do you see anything on >> Point Rock or whatever it is? 1050 01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:23,279 Please. >> Pinepoint. 1051 01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:24,880 » Five point. I was >> nine point. 1052 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:29,920 » Fine point. >> Pine point. Yeah. 1053 01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:35,960 » There it is. Oh, 1054 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,960 » this was from Sarah. 1055 01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:43,239 This was for for tree removal 1056 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:49,920 from like five plus years ago. Someone must explain. I got a complaint that 1057 01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:54,080 they were cutting a tree. So I was curious if there was activity or 1058 01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:57,679 something that was permitted. Yep. So we approved cutting a tree. I 1059 01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:04,400 guess it took him five years to cut it. I have no recollection of this. 1060 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:07,920 » Sounds just like a nosy neighbor. Okay. All right. Next thing up is to discuss 1061 01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:11,120 the meeting scheduled between Sutton and Douglas. As far as I'm concerned, this 1062 01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:15,840 does not need any discussion. This was something Sarah wanted. She's not here. 1063 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,679 doesn't concern us when Douglas has meetings, 1064 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:21,120 » right? >> Great. 1065 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:24,480 » All right. So, Brandon, this pine point was just a tree that we approved cutting 1066 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,080 down five years ago. Some neighbor complained about it. 1067 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,960 » Okay. So, >> so nothing to do. 1068 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,920 » So, and it just said Sutton Douglas has no reason discussing those schedules 1069 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:35,120 because it's Sarah's gone. >> Okay. 1070 01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:40,080 » All right. So, I had asked Sarah to put on here to discuss local fees consultant 1071 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:44,080 subcontractors in 53G so we could discuss it as a board. 1072 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:46,719 » Okay. I I I'm perfectly happy stepping out if you want me to. 1073 01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:50,239 » I would prefer you stay unless you want to leave. 1074 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:54,400 » I You're just your pleasure. >> Well, the reason I asked is if when 1075 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:58,480 Sarah was here or if another agent comes in tomorrow and it's an agent doing some 1076 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,719 of these things, >> for example. 1077 01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:05,360 » Brandon, go ahead. I'm sorry. I was going to say so when the way it's set up 1078 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:10,880 now is if we have an agent and someone comes in we cannot collect 53g money 1079 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:15,280 which means any applicant that's coming in to meet with an agent we hire an 1080 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:20,800 agent tomorrow and it's not not an outside consultant the cost of any of 1081 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:24,480 their work stuff we just did for the past two hours would go in my opinion go 1082 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:27,600 back on the taxpayers it would not go back on the individual and the reason I 1083 01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:30,960 wanted to bring it up is because I've been very vocal that if someone's doing 1084 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,880 a project whether they're building a house or they're building a subdivision 1085 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:38,080 or they're building another unified that I think those fees should be the 1086 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:43,360 responsibility of the applicant and not be falling back on the town of Sutton 1087 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:48,000 taxpayers and without a 53G account or anything like that it would fall back on 1088 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:52,159 the taxpayers so our bylaw still allows so where did 1089 01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:56,000 we I know that a consultant will take care of some of it but if a big project 1090 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:58,960 came through how is that not going through a 53g account 1091 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:03,040 » people that's the question it still could How do we The question is how do 1092 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:06,239 we determine how this is going to work and not work? And maybe this is not a 1093 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,280 discussion right now because we don't have an agent as of today. 1094 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:14,560 » Well, I mean it's an easy discussion for me. I mean it it's it's you we have it 1095 01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:19,040 all in place. We have everything in place. Our bylaw allows us to charge 53. 1096 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:23,360 Soon as we have anything that's of any scale that we feel we need outside 1097 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:29,120 representation, you require a 50. You require a deposit. our our bylaw already 1098 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:32,320 outlines exactly how much the fees all are. It's all there. It's all there. 1099 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,719 Everything is all we have to do is say to implement it, I would believe. 1100 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:38,239 » So, I guess that's the question. How when do we determine we implement an 1101 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,560 agent or do we hold off till we have a new agent? 1102 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,280 » So, the easy thing to do is for now is anytime that we feel we need his 1103 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,960 services on anything that's on the agenda. We could continue it for a 1104 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,960 meeting. We could hire our consultant and require money go into a 53G, right? 1105 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:58,080 Am I correct? >> You you may do that. I I don't know what 1106 01:12:54,640 --> 01:13:02,000 why you couldn't just continue to uh 1107 01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:06,719 uh collect the consultant fee right at the beginning even if you do have an 1108 01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:09,199 agent. But that's a question for maybe a more legal question. 1109 01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:14,000 » Well, that was my question. Say we collect the fee. I'm making it up. It's 1110 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:18,719 500 bucks and we don't need an outside consultant in this case your firm for 1111 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:21,760 53g. Could that $500 be collected? And I'm asking because I don't know the 1112 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:26,000 answer and put into another fun. And so it's legal and it would help fund the 1113 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,120 position of the agent. >> You can't do that. 53G funds, 1114 01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:33,040 » right? You have to go >> by law specifically for third party peer 1115 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,280 review cannot be used for any other reason. 1116 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:37,840 » But what if it wasn't 53? What if it was just a general payment? We kept the fee 1117 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:44,400 this. >> Okay. So, so if you change your bylaw 1118 01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:48,640 fee structure, okay, um that money is under your control. You can use for just 1119 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:53,520 about anything you want. So that's that's up to you. you would have to um 1120 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:56,520 vote to increase your bylaw fees. >> Okay. 1121 01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:03,679 » I have two things. I guess an important first step would be to take a look at 1122 01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:08,719 and I have some time on my hands, so I'm not volunteering for anything, but to 1123 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:12,719 take a look at what other towns are charging and whether they have a an 1124 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:19,760 agent >> or not um to see where we are in line 1125 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:22,719 with those application fees. Um because the agent, if we have an agent, they're 1126 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:27,520 getting paid one way or the other, whether they spend 20 hours in the 1127 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:30,880 office or they're out on the road. I I understand what you're saying about 1128 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:35,679 taxpayers, but you know, they're getting paid. The second one is typically if if 1129 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:40,960 we had an agent and we did a third party review uh with a consultant, don't we 1130 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:45,199 usually put that out say this is what we need done, how much is it going to cost? 1131 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:48,480 Like if we hired Grace Engineering for a review, that's what we do because 1132 01:14:48,111 --> 01:14:52,080 » [clears throat] >> We could say, "Okay, well, we collected 1133 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:56,960 $125 an hour." The cons and the consultant 1134 01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:01,440 says, "I'm not going out there for an hour and a half. You know, it's not 1135 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:06,320 worth the time, but they might put a bid for some for for more money for the same 1136 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:11,600 project." Just two thoughts. >> Yeah, good thoughts. 1137 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:15,120 » Yeah, I I did this week go on Grafton and Shbury's website. It's all 1138 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:18,640 accessible right from their website. You got to be a little savvy navigating to 1139 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:22,000 find like all the nitty-gritty all the pay structures are there exactly what 1140 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,800 your fees are when you file >> both those towns. I thought those were 1141 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,760 good towns to look at. I would consider them equal to Sutton. 1142 01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:31,600 » They have their own employee, you know, their own agent. 1143 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:35,360 » Um >> I don't know if it was true, but at one 1144 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:39,920 of our meetings with Sarah, she said that we could change our fee structure 1145 01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:43,040 with policies that we didn't have to do it through town meeting. not change our 1146 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:48,640 bylaw, not change our fee structure, just change those fees. I didn't compare 1147 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:52,640 them to I didn't This is where I didn't have enough time. I just went through 1148 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:55,840 them. Nothing jumped out at me. Um I think similar to ours, I think we are a 1149 01:15:54,400 --> 01:16:01,840 little less expensive. I think we definitely had room to charge more. Um 1150 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:09,920 so it would be good just to see a comparison chart of in any other town. 1151 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:15,360 tried to stay more hope towards the >> my other question I had is so when stuff 1152 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:19,440 comes in do we have everyone come in for a first meeting and then determine if we 1153 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:23,520 need an outside consultant >> the thing with an outside consultant and 1154 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:26,960 collecting 53g account who's going to do the accounting so the way it's 1155 01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:31,040 structured now is it's all set fees so there's no accounting so with an inside 1156 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:35,840 consultant you come in and you pay say $500 to file your NOI $5 to $800 1157 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:40,719 depending commercial was more if there's all different criteria to it when you go 1158 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:43,920 through the the the thing, but then there's the cost of the town of all the 1159 01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:48,800 tracking and accounting of money versus it just goes into directly into the 1160 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:52,719 funds of the town. So, if we're going to go with an inside, we 1161 01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:57,120 should look at our fee structure. We should probably raise them to help cover 1162 01:16:54,560 --> 01:17:01,440 the costs to the town for having an employee. 1163 01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:05,280 Um, so to me that would be a very healthy discussion is that fee schedule. 1164 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,679 We should look at what we charge compare with Shbury and Grafton. Shbury has 1165 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:16,400 full-time. I'm not sure if Grafton was full-time, but I know Shburies is. Um, 1166 01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:22,719 things that we should look at is the workload that we ask our part-time agent 1167 01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:27,520 agent to like what's our expectation. Those are things that we kind of went in 1168 01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:31,520 blindly to, right? I mean, it didn't work. I mean, she's she's not 1169 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:35,600 here in the minutes and even it just it wasn't working. There was a lot of 1170 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:38,880 things that wasn't working. So, I hope when we get a new consultant, maybe we 1171 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:42,640 can start talking about we don't need anybody, let's look at those two towns, 1172 01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:47,120 look at ours, and do a comparison. I think we're all smart enough 1173 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:51,199 finance-wise to say, "Hey, this this will help." You know, like if we were 1174 01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:54,320 charging three and it's six now, I can kind of give you an idea, rough 1175 01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:58,880 idea. So, if we continue to work with Douglas, my understanding is Sutton gets 1176 01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:04,480 16, Douglas gets 16 hours a week. So, 32. However, they break that out. I was 1177 01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:07,120 also under the impression in Austin and I were both under the impression that if 1178 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,760 someone's in Douglas, but something comes in in Sutton, they're going to be 1179 01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:12,800 able to shoot emails and return phone calls. Kind of like job sharing between 1180 01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:15,760 the two towns. Now, if it's not an emergency, it probably could wait for 1181 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:20,560 the following day. But something comes in, jump in the car if it's that big of 1182 01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:26,159 an issue. Tammy, as everyone knows, did a great job from basically 1 one till 1183 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:29,600 June 30th. Tammy and I spoke and and she figured and I figured I don't want to 1184 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:36,560 put words in her mouth that that it's about a 16 to 18 to under 20 hour a week 1185 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:43,040 clerical job, paperwork job. That's all this junk, the minutes, there's a lot to 1186 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:46,400 it. That's before on average getting in the car and going out and looking at 1187 01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:49,440 something. So my question is if we have an agent position and we split with 1188 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:53,760 Douglas and we're only roughly getting 16 hours 1189 01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:56,640 on a normal week. I think it's only going to be paperwork they're going to 1190 01:18:54,880 --> 01:19:01,360 get to. And that was my question because I think if you do that you're going to 1191 01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:05,040 be delaying people meetings. We don't have to decide tonight. I just 1192 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:10,960 wanted to throw it all out there and get some food for thought. I agree, Bill. 1193 01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:14,640 And it's shouldn't be a miss. So if Brandon Bill's hourly, so we already 1194 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,480 have a track record of what it takes to run the field. 1195 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,594 » Yeah. >> And we had Wanda's time like her hours. 1196 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,120 She only worked for conservation. I [clears throat] think she did do a few 1197 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,679 other tasks in some other departments >> on Fridays. Yeah. 1198 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:29,679 » But she What was her hours for conservation? 1199 01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:33,920 » She was full-time employee. I want to say it was 30 something hours in 1200 01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:39,840 conservation. And in in my humble opinion, you don't need 30 hours on the 1201 01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:44,000 way things are going for a clerical end as of today. Now, you get three unified 1202 01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:48,960 projects in October. That's a different story. But on the way things are going, 1203 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:53,600 but it is pretty time consuming. Uh right now, Jen's helping out. Tam Tammy 1204 01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:58,159 was very nice. She's not interested in continuing the position because of time. 1205 01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:02,640 Um, so I just it's just food for thought. If if you have an agent that's 1206 01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:05,920 say a 50% agent here and 50% Douglas, how much are you really going to get 1207 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:11,360 done? And I don't want to have someone come in for something simple like 1208 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:14,000 whatever and it should be one meeting and out and now we're continuing it 1209 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:17,280 because now we decide we have to bring a consultant. 1210 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,880 I think there's a lot of stuff to think about. There's a lot of paperwork. Even 1211 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:27,040 though it's paperless, there's a lot of paperwork. Um, and Austin and I spoke 1212 01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:31,360 and we thought it might be good to have it's not a I forget what it's called. 1213 01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:34,239 It's like a planning meeting where we can do it with the public. We can all 1214 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,520 talk. It's open to the public and we would all be here with Austin to kind of 1215 01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:40,320 go over the nuts and bolts of everything, which I think might be smart 1216 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:43,520 to do. And he said he would work with our schedule. I thought it might be good 1217 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,640 to try to do two weeks from now because I think two weeks from now the meeting 1218 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:49,199 is pretty light. >> Um, I 1219 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:53,920 » I don't mind doing a special meeting. >> You forget how it's worded. It has to be 1220 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:56,560 voted on. Um, but it's not it's not I called it executive session. He told me 1221 01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:00,159 it's not an executive session. >> We've done those before. Remember we 1222 01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:04,080 » work but we have he's I believe he told me we 1223 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:08,320 should vote on it and put it on. So it's it's listed. So anyone who wants to sit 1224 01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:10,480 out in the audience and I believe if if it's a workshop is it still public 1225 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,679 Chris? >> It's public but it's not recorded. 1226 01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:18,080 » It's not okay. So it's not recorded but the public could sit here and ask a 1227 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:22,159 question. I think it's we did one >> I think it's healthy to do it 1228 01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:27,360 » and I think there's a lot to discuss. >> Um I also spoke I told you guys I was 1229 01:21:24,719 --> 01:21:32,080 here all day or half a day. >> I pulled everything because I wanted to 1230 01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:37,199 get it on the record. Brandon started with us in 2008. So I'm going to start 1231 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:42,800 with 2026. This is fiscal year. When I say Brandon I mean his company. Fiscal 1232 01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:46,560 year 26. His company again nothing paid by taxpayers. All paid by applicants. 1233 01:21:44,719 --> 01:21:53,040 47,165 and change. 2025 65,296 1234 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:57,440 and change. 24 58,437 and change. 23 This was a big one. 1235 01:21:54,960 --> 01:22:12,320 98,755 22 69 and change. 21 almost 51 20 54 1236 01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:20,239 1937 1822 17 27 16 20 1535 1432 13 39 12 2012 27 2011 8 It's either 18 or 19. I 1237 01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:25,840 can't read my writing. 2010 14 2009 24 grand and 2008 $8,600. Now Tammy and I 1238 01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:30,880 were concerned about some higher amounts because 98,000 Yeah. six figures almost, 1239 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:38,000 right? We pulled that and I pulled a couple things. The highest bill in n in 1240 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:42,320 2023 fiscal year was um 8,600 bucks on that bill, which is right here, was 1241 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:47,120 when um Brandon was going to the courthouse all the time. And this was 1242 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:51,040 for um 224 Manuk Road for just Bernell's property. This also includes the time 1243 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:55,760 that I was online with the attorney where we had to do it via Zoom. So I was 1244 01:22:53,760 --> 01:23:00,880 concerned because it was a large year but most of the majority of that was 1245 01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:05,360 because of the Britell project. The second year that was a lot of money was 1246 01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:09,520 69,000 was in 2022. This was all the national grid work 1247 01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:15,199 large project throughout the majority of town and this was also when uh Mr. Romeo 1248 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:18,800 all the projects were under review and all the issues with that with 1249 01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:23,120 enforcement. So I pulled a couple things. Freedom Information Act. If 1250 01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:27,679 anyone wants this, they can put a request in. Tammy and uh I think it's 1251 01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:32,080 Allison, our account, were awesome pulling stuff because I wanted to see 1252 01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:37,760 where some couple years were very expensive. Now, from 2020 1253 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:44,239 to 2026, we had some pretty large projects. We had Unified, we had Great 1254 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:49,520 Dane, the old drive-in. We had multiple enforcement issues between Jim Lanahan, 1255 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:52,159 Jess Bernell, Romeo, um, 1256 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:54,960 » Oak Street Solar. >> Yeah, I was trying to block that one 1257 01:23:53,440 --> 01:24:00,400 out. The solar farm in Douglas. So, there was some heavy lifting in those 1258 01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:05,360 years. Um, when you go through and you look and I can show all this, you're 1259 01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:10,239 seeing bills for $200, $425. These are residential things. I'm 1260 01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:12,719 not seeing large numbers, but you guys can correct me if you see something 1261 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:17,520 different. But that's I just wanted to bring up. So where it stands, my concern 1262 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,480 is you're bringing an agent in, we're going to find out an agent's not enough 1263 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:23,280 having 20 hours here. They're going to want to go to a full-time agent, which 1264 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,239 is going to be a six-f figure position for the town full-time if you did it 1265 01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,520 five days a week. And we're going to still need a consultant. And at the end 1266 01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:34,239 of the day, it's going to cost people more money. 1267 01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:37,360 » Where's Wanda's salary fact? And you made a statement. Wait a minute. You 1268 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:40,480 made a statement that this did not cost the taxpayers any money. 1269 01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:45,199 » This this number. >> So if you Well, but if you file and we 1270 01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:48,880 run conservation, you just said it doesn't cost any money to the taxpayers. 1271 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:53,520 We did pay one. >> No, no, no. Yeah. So, correct. 1272 01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:56,560 » What was her salary? So, right now, if you're going to make comparisons of 1273 01:24:54,639 --> 01:24:59,600 finances, you'd have to take Wanda's salary, everything we paid her, and say 1274 01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:02,960 this is what it costs to run the Sen conservation and now what do we pay? 1275 01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:08,080 » Yeah, that's a good point. I don't have I think finances of cost of running a 1276 01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:11,280 business which we are >> you have to take everything into what it 1277 01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,199 costs to run the conservation commission. 1278 01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,120 » You're right. >> Where are we at with a new inside 1279 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:18,560 consultant? >> So I'll give you cost the town. 1280 01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:22,560 » So here's here's the update. This these numbers here 1281 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:26,480 » were just paid to ecosystem solutions Brandon's company from 26 fiscal year to 1282 01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:30,400 2008 I believe is when you first started. That's as far back as we could 1283 01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:32,719 go. So 18 years >> that that's when I started officially 1284 01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:35,920 2008. >> Okay. And I don't think the system went 1285 01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:39,120 any farther back. That's as far as fine. Close enough. 1286 01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:42,320 » I I was a sub to Steve Zisk. >> Okay. 1287 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:44,960 » And start in 2006 2007. But I can count on one hand the number of jobs I was 1288 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:49,679 involved with. >> And I think 18 years is good enough, 1289 01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:55,679 right? So these numbers here, my chicken scratch from 47,000 down to 8,600 bucks 1290 01:25:52,639 --> 01:26:00,880 are paid by applicants, not paid by taxpayers. 1291 01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:06,480 Wanda's salary or anyone in that role I think she was making in the 40s I don't 1292 01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:09,760 know was paid that's paid as taxpayers no different than any other town. 1293 01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:12,000 » So [snorts] this is the question I would be asking the town of Sutton. 1294 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:16,560 » Yeah. >> If it cost us X to run conservation for 1295 01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:20,159 the year 2025 which would be Brandon salary and Wanders that combined amount 1296 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:23,440 of money is what it costs to run the Sutton Conservation Commission for the 1297 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:27,280 year 2025. And where are we at with what it's going 1298 01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:33,280 to cost now? And what do we budget? Like so did our budget go from 1299 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:36,000 125,000 down to 50,000 like >> No, no, no. We don't we didn't have we 1300 01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:39,840 don't have a budget for outside consultant. The budget was 1301 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:44,719 » it cost X to run. So the Sutton Conservation cost X amount of money to 1302 01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:48,159 run between hiring outside consultants and town administration. 1303 01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:51,199 » No, you that's where you're wrong, Mike. This this doesn't c this does not cost 1304 01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:57,600 the taxpayers, >> right? We still have to perform all the 1305 01:26:53,120 --> 01:27:01,840 tasks that that money took to that money represents a task based on 1306 01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:05,679 » how are we going to do all those tasks if we don't have the money. 1307 01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:09,120 » That's that. Thank you. That's my question. If you don't have a consultant 1308 01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:12,480 and you and you're only got someone in here 16 18 hours a week and you don't 1309 01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,800 raise the fees, >> that's why that's the question I had a 1310 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:21,360 budget of X and now we have a budget that's substantially less. How are we 1311 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:25,199 going to achieve a 13-page bylaw and the state mandates of all the requirements? 1312 01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:29,040 » Same thing I've been saying all along is you don't hire an agent in my opinion. 1313 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:32,880 You keep a clerical position and you outsource it. And I'll say this right in 1314 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:39,760 front of Brandon. We put Brandon, not Brandon, his role, his out to bid and 1315 01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:43,440 get three, four, five, 50 bids. So if we take Grafton and Shbury and what I don't 1316 01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:47,360 know what they pay, but I think that if you look at what we spent and what those 1317 01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:50,159 towns spend to run their conservation commission, we're we're more costly. 1318 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:53,360 It's more expensive. >> I would 100% disagree with you. 1319 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,840 » Okay. Well, let's just look at the facts. 1320 01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:59,199 » Well, can those all Well, you can because they're all town positions. It's 1321 01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:02,639 posted in the books. So, we can see the salary of the Sutton Conservation I mean 1322 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,600 the Shoesbury Conservation Commission and the Grafton. So, we can see what 1323 01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:09,600 their salaries are. Do they use any >> We know what we paid W and we know what 1324 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:12,800 we paid Brandon. take the year 2025 and let's see cuz everybody says we're 1325 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:16,639 expensive. >> I I don't know who you're I would say 1326 01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:20,239 you're wrong. When I talk to all my contractors and other builders, 1327 01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:23,600 » I'm told that Sutton's one of the easiest towns to work in and it's not 1328 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:27,760 for what you get. It's not >> we're talking cost to file. 1329 01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:32,159 » I don't think the cost >> inspects and Okay. 1330 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:36,000 » So, let me Mike not being argument. I want to lay 1331 01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:39,440 it out there. Yeah. So what do you do when the last people that were sitting 1332 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:44,639 in here at a public meeting we've been up to multiple times? How's that paid 1333 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:47,280 for? If you say we don't have this, how's the agent going to do it? 1334 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:50,159 » Oh, I don't think they're doing it in 16 hours. I I wasn't like 1335 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:53,840 » So that's my question. So how do you do it? 1336 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,719 Cuz of course any consultant is going to make more money when you have a bunch of 1337 01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,719 those things going on versus when you don't. 1338 01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:03,360 » It's a more expensive question. So yeah, what I'm trying to say is when you have 1339 01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:08,400 administration and all outside sourced, it's more expensive. 1340 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:14,480 It's a more expensive way to f to run a a business. 1341 01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:17,679 It may cost the taxpay well we they're not replacing Wanda's job, right? 1342 01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:20,239 They're not doing full-time. So we budgeted 1343 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:22,960 » whatever Wanda was making, it's a I believe it's a little bit more than she 1344 01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:26,000 was making. So I think the question is is with what we're going to be budgeted 1345 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:30,239 from the town to be able to run conservation, we have to have an outside 1346 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:33,520 consultant. >> Well, that's what I would say. I mean, 1347 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:37,600 you know, you get a couple low hanging fruits or couple septic system repairs 1348 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:42,400 » because in the two towns I was talking about it cost the tax. So it's less 1349 01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:46,560 expensive to file, but it costs the taxpayers more. 1350 01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:49,920 And that's the problem I have that if if Bill W decides I'm going to build a 1351 01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:55,360 subdivision and I'm going to profit off it. Why should the sub taxpayers pay for 1352 01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:58,320 that? That should be me. If I put a pool in and go get a permit, I don't say to 1353 01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:03,520 Jamie, give me a hundred bucks for the permit as a taxpayer. I pay. So that's 1354 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:06,560 all I'm saying is I and personally I think these fees should be paid by for 1355 01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:11,280 the applicants whether it's home or commercial that it should not be the s 1356 01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:15,360 taxpayers paid for this. But then we need administrative. 1357 01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:18,239 We how many hours of administration to do do the job? 1358 01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:21,120 » Well, if we split the job >> Tammy, I talked to Tammy. She did no 1359 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:25,360 accounting, right? She didn't do any accounting of any the right. No. 1360 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:29,280 » So, what is the real hours it takes to run this this commission? 1361 01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:35,920 » She figured if I don't want to if she had to do the accounting that it's it's 1362 01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:40,000 16 18 to under 20 hours a week. So, if you bring on an agent that's only 1363 01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:42,800 here now, that agent is only going to be here part-time, say Monday, Tuesday, or 1364 01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,440 Wednesday, Thursday. Of course, you could talk to them in another town, but 1365 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:50,080 they're not going to be here. So, now they're not here. Let's just say Sarah's 1366 01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:53,440 hours here were Wednesday, Thursday. So, someone comes in and wants to see Sarah 1367 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:56,880 on Wednesday, Thursday. She's not here. So, they go into Jen or some other board 1368 01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:59,520 and I don't want to say take up their time because they're they're good 1369 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:04,480 people, but they're working with someone that's not here. So my opinion is 1370 01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:08,560 someone should be here full time, not full-time but five days a week to 1371 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:14,480 service the applicants whether it's a homeowner or a builder or unified. 1372 01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:20,080 » So then we as a board should be discussing I don't think anyone said we 1373 01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:24,639 couldn't use an outside like no one said anything to us. No one's given us any 1374 01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:29,679 real direction to go. So we say it this way. So, even if we hire somebody that's 1375 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,840 more than just clerical, >> yeah, 1376 01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:36,000 » they're still overwhelmed at their job. just what if we started to utilize 1377 01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:41,600 somebody that had a little bit higher skills to do some of what Brandon did 1378 01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:44,560 that keeps his cost down and and I don't know you have to figure out 1379 01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:49,440 who's tracking all the money and what it >> sample I don't want to insult you 1380 01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:55,040 Brandon but if someone has to write up a RDA for for tree removal I would think 1381 01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:58,880 that someone in the office should be able to do that with some decent skill 1382 01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:01,120 set it wouldn't take long >> yeah I mean those 1383 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:04,719 » that in my opinion shouldn't have to fall on and we don't want it to, 1384 01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:10,639 » you know. >> So, Bill, maybe that's more the like so 1385 01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:14,320 so at 16 hours with our >> hopefully 1386 01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:19,040 » maybe we still need an outside consultant for maybe no RDAs go through 1387 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:22,639 an outside disc unless we I don't know. I mean, these 1388 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:25,920 are things we have to these are the discussions we should have sooner than 1389 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:32,560 later because you're gonna we hire somebody. We saw how easy it was to just 1390 01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:36,000 not have I don't it probably wasn't a good 1391 01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:40,239 » situation is right now we don't have anyone to Jen's going to help well 1392 01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:44,800 without being asked Jen helped out. She did a great job putting stuff together 1393 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:48,800 » and she's been I've been talking to her all week and Tammy all week and Tammy 1394 01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:52,239 and I said listen to us and I'll just do the minutes just to get it done but the 1395 01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:55,840 position needs to be filled. So, I know something we should probably be doing 1396 01:32:53,520 --> 01:33:01,120 tonight is is maybe we make a motion that all any filings until further 1397 01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:04,639 notice are have to be you have to do the like the however they used to file like 1398 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:08,320 the checks that went back. I don't know. I mean, what are we doing with the new 1399 01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:13,040 applicants? So, somebody comes in and files tomorrow and now we were sending 1400 01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:16,080 back the 53G and but we don't have anybody. So, how did we should we be 1401 01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:18,480 implementing? >> I in my opinion 1402 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:21,760 » me and you said immediately, right? I mean, that's why we reached out to 1403 01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:25,360 Brandon after we kind of realized >> we left Burbank Road and and Mike texted 1404 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,960 me and I texted him back 10 minutes. I said, 1405 01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:30,159 » and we're like, we we need someone to do that. We can't do all this. I can't 1406 01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:34,560 continue to do what I'm doing. I'll do it for a couple weeks, but I can't. I 1407 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:37,600 spent from, like I said, 10:00 to 1:30. I can't do that. 1408 01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:41,679 » So, I mean, the immediate thing is is I guess we're just assuming Brandon's 1409 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:44,960 going to take care of us again, >> right? We haven't had any discussion. I 1410 01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:48,080 mean, >> thank you. I thank you when you like 1411 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:53,120 thanks for being here tonight and thanks for just at a moment's notice Brandon 1412 01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:55,120 picked up all the pieces this week and >> the reason I wanted 1413 01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:57,600 » got us through these site visits in these meetings he did. 1414 01:33:56,159 --> 01:34:03,440 » The reason I wanted to bring up these numbers yes it is because for years 1415 01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:07,199 people say it's costing the town a lot of money. Maybe it cost the applicant a 1416 01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:09,920 lot of money. Yeah, Unifi paid a lot of money. I'll tell you that that it's 1417 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:14,000 expensive job but look what they did. That was not removing a tree. But it's 1418 01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:17,440 not costing in my opinion the taxpayers a lot of money because the taxpayer has 1419 01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:21,360 never paid this and that that's important to me. I don't want to be 1420 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:24,800 paying if Tim wants to put an addition on or you want to do a subdivision or 1421 01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:27,840 Jaime's building another house. I don't think I should be paying for that as 1422 01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:31,040 John Q taxpayer. >> But no matter how we go about this, 1423 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:34,960 we're paying to run some of this conservation commission. It helps with 1424 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:38,080 an outside consultant. And the thing that's not going to probably work is 1425 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:41,840 this minimum hours with the exp. When you look at the facts of what it took to 1426 01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:43,600 run this commission in 2025, how do you cut that down to a quarter of what we 1427 01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:50,400 had >> in 26 25 24 23 22 and part of 21 were 1428 01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:53,600 busy busy years? There was a lot >> getting any less busy 1429 01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:55,760 right now. >> Yeah. 1430 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:58,320 » No, it's not. We We're still here. What time is it? Quiet. There's nights we 1431 01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:01,280 left in a half an hour. >> I I just saying I Yeah. 1432 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:05,600 » Yeah. No, it's not. >> Amy, you've been waiting patiently. 1433 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:09,120 Sorry. What what started this whole conversation was the money that Sarah 1434 01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:12,719 returned to the applicants because we didn't have the ability to do 53G in her 1435 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,520 opinion. >> And the way we left it at the meeting 1436 01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:19,120 was we were going to talk to town council and figure out whether or not 1437 01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:24,880 that was the case. And if it was the case, which Brandon confirmed tonight, 1438 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:29,120 if it was the case, we were going to discuss amendments to our fee schedule 1439 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:33,360 so that we didn't leave that money on the table, right? We were going to 1440 01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:38,719 figure out a way to take some of the money that we were applying to the 53G 1441 01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:40,159 account and um 1442 01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:46,080 » change our fees, >> rename the to some extent rename and 1443 01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:48,719 take a look at our fee schedule to and she was going to come to the meeting or 1444 01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:51,520 was supposed to come to the meeting with that information. We don't have that 1445 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:55,199 information. So, why don't we table this discussion until we get that 1446 01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:59,360 information. And if Tim, you're kind enough to dig some of that up and take a 1447 01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:04,800 look at how some towns that have a conservation agent approach the the math 1448 01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:09,679 issue, I think then we'd have the a meaningful the ability for a meaningful 1449 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:14,159 conversation. I also think and agree that on the more complex projects, 1450 01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:17,840 depending on the the the quality of the applicant and and how efficient they are 1451 01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:23,520 at executing their job, there is going to need to be 1452 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:26,800 the a bat phone on occasion where you reach out and say, "Hey, this falls 1453 01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:32,080 outside of the skill set of the individual that we have or there's 1454 01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:36,719 particular um particular qualifications that that this 1455 01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:40,320 individual doesn't have that we need to appropriately address this project and 1456 01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:44,880 we need to have the flexibility to do that and we have that through 53G. So 1457 01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:48,159 really, you know, Mike, I don't know if it was 1458 01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:52,000 you or Bella mentioned that, you know, RDAs should be something that we can 1459 01:36:50,080 --> 01:37:00,880 manage inhouse, right? Tree removal, simple stuff like that, right? Um, 1460 01:36:56,480 --> 01:37:04,560 we need to kind of take a look at what we do when we the whole 1461 01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:07,840 conversation is premature because we don't know what the skills of of the new 1462 01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:12,080 employer are going to be. >> Uh, but we can certainly have a 1463 01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:15,360 conversation in anticipation of that. Um, and the first thing we need to do is 1464 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:21,280 take a look at some of the more common tasks that we do. Certificates of 1465 01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:24,000 compliance, orders of conditions, RDAs, minutes, 1466 01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:27,199 » and agenda >> and allocate 1467 01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,880 » answering emails, answering phone like like 1468 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,159 » it's it's more than >> you set up a desk in here, 1469 01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:35,600 » but a work session is the a work session is once we get the information, 1470 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,600 scheduling a work session is really the way to accomplish. 1471 01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:42,960 » Do you think two weeks from tonight would be good for work session? 1472 01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:45,920 » I think probably if It's a lot. It It's a lot, right? I don't 1473 01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:48,320 » Oh, I mean I >> If Tim you volunteered to collect the 1474 01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,560 information, do you think it's a discussion you can have? 1475 01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:55,520 » I said on the record, I don't volunteer for anything. So, [laughter] 1476 01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:58,960 » funny how forget that. I >> um 1477 01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:02,639 » Yeah, I mean I I can have the information. 1478 01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:06,560 » Well, and I think it's important to have Austin here so he can say, "Well, you 1479 01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:10,800 guys are way off base. You can't do that or you can do that." Um and 1480 01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:14,320 » well, we have two exercises. One is we need to know understand fully understand 1481 01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:17,840 what we're charging for fees now. >> Yeah. 1482 01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:22,639 » Right. So under the consultant you know how when an applicant comes and and the 1483 01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:27,600 project is this >> this is the check that they write. Yeah. 1484 01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:32,480 » Um, and then the second is if you take that same project in Grafton, it's this 1485 01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:36,560 and Shrewsbury is this and >> it does get a little complex because 1486 01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:41,040 they have the set fees and then if it's commercial, you have to add something on 1487 01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:44,719 and then if it's >> you'll see them when you start. It's 1488 01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:49,040 it's it's mathematical and it's it's very precise, but it's 1489 01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:53,920 » you'd have to you'd have to base it on a project almost to get a true cost if I 1490 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:56,800 remember correctly. I did it quickly. So I'd say 1491 01:38:54,239 --> 01:39:01,199 » you have to have a hypothetical um pick a site and say all right we did this one 1492 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:06,400 in Sutton and this is what it cost and then say Grafton with that same criteria 1493 01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:09,440 legal footage of wetland line you know type of project and then that would be a 1494 01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:14,480 comparison of cost that's how you'd have to really get a true comparison 1495 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:18,880 » and I I believe when you it it was very mathematical when you go and see the two 1496 01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:22,080 towns it it it doesn't leave anything you know it's money it's collecting 1497 01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:27,280 money so there's nothing to to question it's a very black and white formula. Um, 1498 01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:30,800 » and in the short term, I'd suggest that we revert back to what we did before. 1499 01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:34,239 And to, you know, Mike's question, what do we do when a new project comes in? I 1500 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:36,960 think we should just do what we did before, right? 1501 01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:41,520 » 6 weeks ago, >> Bill, what do we do a week ago? Well, 1502 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:44,800 the good thing is and and 30 days, you know, I don't two weeks is it would be 1503 01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,800 nice to have the conversation quickly, but I don't know that we need to really 1504 01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:49,600 have it >> well 1505 01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:53,520 » before 30, you know, before the meeting after the next 1506 01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:56,800 » because we don't even know if we're going to have a conservation agent at 1507 01:39:55,199 --> 01:40:02,080 that time. Right. >> One of the things I thought wasn't done 1508 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:05,920 the best it could be was we had applicants filed, they sent in 1509 01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:10,159 checks, and then money was sent back. And then Brandon did think he he had had 1510 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:13,280 a little bit he didn't make a big deal of it Brandon and I saw what happened 1511 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:18,239 and I thought it could have been done better. So I think that anything that 1512 01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:22,400 here moving forward even when the new consultant starts there should be any 1513 01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:26,000 project that came in why Brandon was covering it doesn't get sent back. He 1514 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:29,600 doesn't get told that I know you took it and you you started the process and you 1515 01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:31,679 started go like that was wrong. It was >> well he was on his way to a site and 1516 01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:35,520 then sat. >> So you understand it too sent the money 1517 01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:38,800 back. I would want Brandon to know that if he is willing to help us. I mean, he 1518 01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:43,600 hasn't even said he would. I I hope you will. I mean, I know you will, but I I 1519 01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:47,199 don't mean that. I just know you >> you love us too much to not You couldn't 1520 01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,320 not do it. You just couldn't. Am I wrong? 1521 01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:51,040 » You're not right. >> You couldn't. 1522 01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:55,840 » Um >> but I personally would want to make sure 1523 01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:58,960 that that doesn't happen again. I I didn't think there was maybe only two or 1524 01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:01,119 three of them, but that to me was >> Yeah, that shouldn't have happened. 1525 01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:04,960 » That shouldn't happen. And I promise you, I mean, I can't say, but I I if I 1526 01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:07,760 know about it, I'm not in favor of it. >> Well, you're you're also in a bit of a 1527 01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:12,880 pickle, too, >> because like, for example, that one on 1528 01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:19,280 uh Cody Lane that I was driving up here and found out mid drive that the the 53g 1529 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:27,119 fees had been returned for a job that came in before Sarah started. Um, now 1530 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:32,320 you have an approved uh ENRAD, which now the ORAD needs to be written up and 1531 01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:37,760 there's no money in it for me. So I unless you can find ways to uh pay me, I 1532 01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:41,760 I I cannot help you with that. Someone else is going to have to do it. 1533 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:45,119 » So let me say it this way and maybe the town has been spending money every week 1534 01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:48,159 to run this commission and they haven't since Christmas. 1535 01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:52,719 » So if we have to spend a little money to run our commission, I I'm in favor of 1536 01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,920 that. Right. I mean, if we Right? I mean, 1537 01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:57,520 » because I'm going to tell you guys, we're we can all hold our own, but if we 1538 01:41:56,159 --> 01:42:02,880 write an ORAD >> or write an order and there's one period 1539 01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:06,560 missing a comma, it's a recipe for disaster. And quite frankly, none of us, 1540 01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:10,159 no offense to any of us. We're not qualified to do that stuff. So, and I 1541 01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:13,280 don't think any of us want to do it. I don't want to speak for you guys. So, I 1542 01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:16,400 I would say we need to find money somewhere to pay Brandon. Um, 1543 01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:18,480 » let's ask how that I mean, >> how does that how does that work? 1544 01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:21,440 » Do you know >> does that come out of where does that 1545 01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:25,920 come out? He submits an invoice and we figure out how to pay it. Right. That's 1546 01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:30,239 » Well, I I've I've I've done that in the past and it's been it's been difficult. 1547 01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:32,639 » Well, we'll we'll make sure that it gets paid, right? 1548 01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:35,520 » So, you could pay out of your your bylaw fees, but the thing is you don't collect 1549 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,760 a whole heck of a lot, >> but there's got to be something enough 1550 01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:41,280 to at least cover the >> I think it's like $25 per application. 1551 01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:45,600 » No, but it it probably added up to enough to get us through the 1552 01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:48,400 » How many things right now? Is it Cody Lane? Is there any other ones? 1553 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:54,639 » Okay. They're all on this agenda. Okay. So, 1554 01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:58,960 Cody Lane, 354 West Sutton Road, uh 400 Boston Road, 1555 01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:03,199 those three >> 354 1556 01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:09,600 is going to involve construction meetings. We should Can we go back and 1557 01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:11,520 say we return your fee? We >> You approved it tonight, right? 1558 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,080 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 1559 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:17,520 » Too late. >> Sorry. 1560 01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:20,480 Well, let's just ask the question tomorrow what we're allowed to spend to 1561 01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:22,800 run our commit. You know, like >> we have to pay our bills. 1562 01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:25,280 » We have to pay our bills. It's not going to be a million dollar. 1563 01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:29,440 » Mike made the point. Mike had made the point that we've had six months of an 1564 01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:32,800 absent position. So there's there should in the budget 1565 01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:36,719 » making sure that Brandon gets taken care of for the work that he completes 1566 01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:38,800 shouldn't put us in a negative variance to budget. 1567 01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:41,920 » They have a minimum >> and Austin's been great. So I can't 1568 01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,639 imagine this. I don't want to speak for him, but I can't imagine there's going 1569 01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:49,119 to be an issue. So I >> I you have my word one way or another 1570 01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:52,880 this is handled because if not then not done and we're not qualified to do them. 1571 01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:57,199 » Yes. >> One thing I do want to say is that um 1572 01:43:55,119 --> 01:44:01,199 and I and I said this over the winter and I'm going to reiterate it again now 1573 01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:06,480 and I think it's more pertinent now going forward. Everything's changing 1574 01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:12,000 now, right? Uh I recommend that the town put out a new RFP for a consultant. 1575 01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,840 Okay, I'm okay with that. I talked to Austin about that today as 1576 01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:17,280 well. >> Thank you. 1577 01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:20,639 » I I think that's very important to do. Put out. I think believe Austin would 1578 01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:24,239 have to do it or be involved. >> Yes, he absolutely would 1579 01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:27,360 » and I think that should go out. >> Yeah. That's not something the Kong can 1580 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:29,199 do it. It would have to go through the the top administration. 1581 01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:32,719 » Yeah. Okay. >> All right. So, do we want to table this 1582 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:36,880 discussion for another 30 days and have the discussion then as it relates to in 1583 01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:41,520 the event that we get a conservation agent? This is kind of the task that we 1584 01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:44,400 would expect them to complete and this is 1585 01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:47,920 » how we need to address how we need to adjust our fee schedule to make sure 1586 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:51,440 that we're capturing as much of that as we can. 1587 01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:54,639 » The only reason I ask is do we want to do it sooner rather than later is if 1588 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:57,760 they're interviewing someone or they bring someone in, which I know of 1589 01:44:56,320 --> 01:45:04,080 nothing right now. It's my understanding they're posting the position or they did 1590 01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:07,040 post it that we have some say in it. >> Okay. Uh may I say something? 1591 01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:10,560 » Yeah. being part of the the the town of 1592 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:15,360 Douglas as well. >> Um I've been told that they are doing 1593 01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:19,440 their very best to repost the position exactly as it was before uh before the 1594 01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:26,320 end of this week. >> Okay. However, this time uh I I am told 1595 01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:30,320 that the at least the chairs of the Douglas and and Sudden Conservation 1596 01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:34,320 Commissions will be involved in the interview process 1597 01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:40,159 because that was obviously something that did not happen last time and and uh 1598 01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:44,320 the result could have been better. I suppose that's the opinion over in 1599 01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:49,679 Douglas and remember that Douglas is considered the quoteunquote host town. 1600 01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:54,639 So the hiring and the I guess the the check comes through the town of Douglas. 1601 01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:58,560 » I think that there should be it was kind of abrupt Sarah being introduced and all 1602 01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:03,360 of a sudden checks going back and all that stuff with it happened I think too 1603 01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:07,840 quickly and anything that gets submitted. 1604 01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:12,960 We should do what we're doing now. get our 53G money and agree that whatever 1605 01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:16,639 comes in, even for an overlapping period to give that individual the opport the 1606 01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:20,320 new individual the opportunity to get on their feet before they have to start 1607 01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:28,639 playing with live ammunition. um that we you know so if we get another 1608 01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:34,239 354 West Hutton Avenue we apply the fee schedule collect the 53G money um 1609 01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:40,080 Brandon's firm to the extent that he wants to or agrees to does the work and 1610 01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:45,600 we have some period where they're working in unison to make sure that the 1611 01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:51,679 transition from one the transition I in my opinion was was too aggressive. It 1612 01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:56,719 happened in like I was like really I I you know with no real material notice we 1613 01:46:54,480 --> 01:47:01,560 we should have a transi there needs to be a transition period between 1614 01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:09,199 our retention of an agent working with the consultant to understand kind of how 1615 01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:14,239 the board conducts its business. You know Sarah was never 1616 01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:18,080 Sarah was never had the opportunity before her first day of work. Yeah. 1617 01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:22,800 Whatever. I >> So, just so you guys know, you guys find 1618 01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:26,480 found stuff out either within a minute after me finding it out or at the same 1619 01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:30,320 time I found it out. It's not she wasn't communicating with me. The most 1620 01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:34,880 communication I got from her was her last couple days here when she did the 1621 01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:39,119 » And to and to reinforce your your point before, to the extent that we do it that 1622 01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:43,199 way, the 53g money provide that that doesn't come at the expense of the 1623 01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:47,679 taxpayer, right? So, we're better, it's better for the town 1624 01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:53,080 to collect the 53G utilize a consultant than to give it back. 1625 01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:53,080 » And 1626 01:47:53,360 --> 01:48:01,679 you know, and the question came up in in in 18 or 16 or however many hours a week 1627 01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:06,960 it is the position, what tasks are reasonable to expect that person to do? 1628 01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:10,719 » Yeah, there's there's a lot of thought that has to go into it. 1629 01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:16,000 » A question. So, if we have all these 53G accounts 1630 01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:20,719 that are active that are and no one we we know no one since Christmas has done 1631 01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:25,040 any I mean we've paid the bills, we paid invoices. 1632 01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:29,440 » My understanding and I might be wrong is any 53g money. So, say Bill went has a 1633 01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:33,520 project in here and I paid x amount of dollars up front and my project's done 1634 01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:36,719 and say I'm owed $200 back. My understanding is none of that has 1635 01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:39,760 happened in the past six months. I I could be wrong. So, I do believe that 1636 01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,760 there's money that could be paid back to people 1637 01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:43,840 » who's taking all the accounting. So, if I pay 2,000 1638 01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:48,560 » that's supposed to fall >> that's been billing against it and and 1639 01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:50,480 the bill where does it go after it gets paid? 1640 01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:54,800 » It was supposed to be falling on the agent to do that and it didn't happen. 1641 01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:59,040 » So, and not that I don't want to continue. So, we're going to So, when we 1642 01:48:57,199 --> 01:49:02,639 collect new fee, uh where's the accounting part of that? 1643 01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:05,199 » It's a question for us. Not we're not conquering that tonight. But 1644 01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:08,639 » you can't answer that. I mean, what if applicants start showing 1645 01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:11,679 up saying, "I want like where'd my money go? I want I want I want to see where it 1646 01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,760 went." And I >> I'll tell you what's going to happen 1647 01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:17,760 now. If you had an applicant say, "Hey, I gave five grand. Where the heck is 1648 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:20,320 it?" It's going to be a call Brandon and say, "Brandon, you're going to send me 1649 01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:23,520 how many hours you have because I now I have to do the math homework to see how 1650 01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:27,920 many hours he used and how much. It's it's a nightmare." 1651 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:31,199 » The information is available. It's not >> When Brandon issues an invoice, it shows 1652 01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:35,840 the project that it's for, the amount specific to the project. No, I 1653 01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:40,719 understand that. So, in order to true that up, there's a manual process of 1654 01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:43,840 needing to go through Brandon's invoices and applying them against. 1655 01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:47,199 » But I don't think it's been done since >> I don't think so. The project be done. 1656 01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:49,600 We have all the information. It may not be current, but we can 1657 01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:51,360 » take on that task. >> Well, it's 1658 01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:54,080 » and we're going to go down that road some more. 1659 01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:59,920 » We have to I'm just saying it's supposed to fall it was supposed to fall on the 1660 01:49:55,840 --> 01:50:03,520 agent, the person that was hired. Um, >> I don't want to talk ill of anyone on 1661 01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:06,639 here, but I was told that she she told me she was not going to do that. It does 1662 01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:09,840 not fall on the, you know, the accountant writes the checks, but it 1663 01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:14,719 does not fall on the accountant to do our accounting. So, I that's another 1664 01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:18,320 thing that when we repost the position, >> be ready for that that to have some like 1665 01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:22,080 to have to deal with that, right? We should just be aware. Let's just be 1666 01:50:20,639 --> 01:50:25,840 aware. I haven't seen the position posting, but if that is the case, we 1667 01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:29,360 should probably make sure that it's clear in the job description that that 1668 01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:32,320 responsibility falls under the the candidate for the position 1669 01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:36,800 » or is the way our outside consultant can track it from some type of all we needed 1670 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:39,440 is to be tracked to an address that that this came in and this was built against 1671 01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:41,840 it and this is the >> but Brandon is the one. So, in other 1672 01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:45,600 words, >> for it is the accounting part of it. 1673 01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:48,239 When I do a project, I'm I'm building development and I come in to write a 1674 01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:53,119 check and I have row for work with me and we write money. The money is paid to 1675 01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:57,600 the town of Sutton, they then pay based off Brandon's 1676 01:50:55,679 --> 01:51:01,199 invoice and then if there's a refund to me as the applicant. It's not Brandon's 1677 01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:07,520 company writing the check. It's the town of Sutton writing the check back to me. 1678 01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:09,679 » So this goes into the 53G account. It's not the same account. 1679 01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:13,360 » It's not Brandon writing the check back to the applicant. I owe you 200 bucks 1680 01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:16,080 back. out of the 53G. >> But right now, we just no one's doing 1681 01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:19,920 that. >> So, this is what happens. I file, a 1682 01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:22,800 check comes in, and it can go in two accounts. If it's the town fee, it goes 1683 01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:26,719 into the town. They've explained this, so we've had meetings on it. Some of 1684 01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:31,119 those checks went into the general fund. Yeah. Some of those checks went into the 1685 01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:34,320 53G account. The 53G account is what needs to be accounted for because that's 1686 01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:39,119 where somebody could say, I want some like either they two two-edged sword 1687 01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:42,159 here. We can run out of money, be spending money that we don't even have 1688 01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:46,239 money to cover the expense because we're not tracking the finances of the job. Or 1689 01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:49,520 somebody could come in and say, "I want my money back. My job's closed out." And 1690 01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:51,040 we don't know how much to give them. >> That's right. 1691 01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:53,760 » We could figure it out. >> We could figure it out. We could figure 1692 01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:56,960 it out. The figuring out hasn't happened yet. 1693 01:51:54,239 --> 01:52:01,040 » So you're going to go back through in >> January, right? 1694 01:51:58,239 --> 01:52:04,639 » I just They were years a Austin Austin and I quickly talked to temp or 1695 01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:07,199 something of if there's anyone here who could do it. 1696 01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:10,320 » Oh, just right. these things that we should think because we're now 1697 01:52:08,639 --> 01:52:12,400 increasing that we have to >> every week you go every two weeks you go 1698 01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:16,239 there's more money >> there's more money coming more back 1699 01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:19,520 » we fall behind like >> so when do we want to schedule when do 1700 01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:23,040 we want to put on the agenda the workshop discussion so that we can have 1701 01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:25,360 it and and >> we brought up a lot of really good 1702 01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:30,320 things >> why we almost kind of I don't know I we 1703 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:33,840 we stuck to fees but that's why I I we might not be ready for it right away but 1704 01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:36,320 I think these are things that we need to come out and [cough and clears throat] 1705 01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:40,000 really have a conversation So we get a definitive answer. 1706 01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:43,840 » So should we 30 days at it or you want to have a special meeting? 1707 01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:46,320 » I don't care one way or another. It's up to you guys. 1708 01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:49,280 » Doesn't matter to me. >> So how do we move forward? I file 1709 01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,440 tomorrow morning. I come to the town hall 1710 01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:52,480 » just like we did before we had an agent. >> Okay. 1711 01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,360 » So >> how do we get that direct? Who knows? 1712 01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:58,320 » Should we put that as a um >> like how 1713 01:52:56,080 --> 01:53:00,000 » so I make a motion on that. So it's >> or I don't think that's necessary, 1714 01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:02,639 right? >> I don't think that's necessary. So we're 1715 01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:07,040 all in agreement that that's how >> we're all in agreement 1716 01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:12,480 » and even during and even and we even have a transition period 1717 01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:18,159 where the where Brandon's firm and the agent are working 1718 01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:22,480 collaborating to accomplish the job and we should probably let the conservation 1719 01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:27,040 agent determine you know enough of an overlap so they 1720 01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:30,400 can determine what they think that they can manage 1721 01:53:28,159 --> 01:53:33,920 » on an ongoing basis and can't. Right? kind of let involve them in the 1722 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:37,599 discussion as to >> we know where in the transition now we 1723 01:53:36,239 --> 01:53:40,239 won't let it happen again. That's what I was trying to say. 1724 01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:43,440 » Yeah, exactly. We learned from what didn't didn't work and 1725 01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:48,159 » all right. So, do we want to set a meeting date or do we not or do we 1726 01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:52,400 » I think we should set something tonight. When it is, I don't care. Uh but I think 1727 01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:56,880 it's important to get it on record and I think we should have a motion on it for 1728 01:53:53,440 --> 01:54:06,280 a workshop probably. Right, Chris? >> I'll make a motion to have a workshop to 1729 01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:06,280 to discuss transition of 1730 01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:15,119 how would we what type of work agent >> we want to have yeah we want to have a 1731 01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:19,840 workshop on agent versus consultant and transitioning and tasks that need to be 1732 01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:23,040 continued >> an adjustment of fee schedule 1733 01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:27,679 » adjustment of fee schedule >> so when would an end of September 1734 01:54:25,679 --> 01:54:30,080 meeting would that be September 30th is that right now 1735 01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,480 » I hate to tag it to another meeting because it's just too much. You want to 1736 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:35,440 do a special day. Okay. >> Yeah, I really I would like to do the 1737 01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:39,280 off week, >> but you don't want to do it with the 1738 01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:42,080 regular meeting only because it recorded. Correct. 1739 01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:44,719 » We don't We could shut the recording off and if if it was a 10-minute meeting, 1740 01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:47,360 fine. But if it's a meeting like tonight and we had to start on it now. I don't 1741 01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:49,920 want to put fresh >> touched anything we're talking. 1742 01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:53,119 » So, yeah, I think a special meeting would be good. What What works for 1743 01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:55,520 people? >> Anything. 1744 01:54:54,159 --> 01:54:59,199 » We want to do about a month though. Is that enough time? Is that too long? 1745 01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:03,599 Excuse [clears throat] me. >> I'm available. 1746 01:55:01,599 --> 01:55:06,719 I think that's too long. My >> You want to do three weeks? So, we're in 1747 01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:11,119 the >> the off week 1748 01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:13,360 » like the Wednesday like the same >> Labor Day is the 7th, right? 1749 01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:16,639 » Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. We have a meeting on 1750 01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:19,199 » Do we want to try to do it? Do >> we have a meeting? 1751 01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:22,639 » I'm not sure Jared could make, but I think all four of us could be here 2 1752 01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:25,280 3:00 in the afternoon and do it. try to do it during town hall hours when Austin 1753 01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:28,239 is >> and we're not 1754 01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:31,920 » I'm just I'm just asking if Yeah. If it goes later it's not a big deal because 1755 01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:36,880 Austin but you versus starting at six o'clock at night 3:00 special meeting on 1756 01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:40,320 » Yeah. Pick a date. >> So we have our next meeting when our 1757 01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:44,080 next meeting would be what? Like the first 1758 01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:47,199 » it should be the second but Wednesday September 2nd. 1759 01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:51,360 » So the next meeting as long as it's within the time required to post we 1760 01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:54,960 could. So, we might want to talk to Austin, find out what his availability 1761 01:55:52,960 --> 01:56:00,719 is, and at the next meeting, we can set the make the motion to set the meeting. 1762 01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:04,159 » Okay. So, I'll talk to Austin and we'll make a try to make a motion at 1763 01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:07,119 the first meeting in September to pick a date. Does that work? 1764 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:11,040 » Sooner the better. That's my opinion. >> Well, if we decided we want to meet next 1765 01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:13,199 week, we'd have to vote on it now. >> I don't think we'd be ready for next 1766 01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:15,840 week. >> Well, I don't need one meeting. I What 1767 01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:18,320 do we need? >> Five days to post. 1768 01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:21,679 » 48 hours. >> 48 hours. So at the next meeting we 1769 01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:24,159 could have a meet. If the next meeting is the e is the 9th what's the next 1770 01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:27,440 meeting? >> Well the only other thing 1771 01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:32,159 » or the first right or the second. >> So the only other thing is do we want to 1772 01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:35,599 have input before they get they post a job tomorrow and they get an application 1773 01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:39,199 Tuesday and then do we want to have input in this before they hire someone? 1774 01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:42,400 That's the only reason I'm saying do we speed it up. Not that not that I'm 1775 01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:45,840 saying we're gonna have any input, but it these are things that if no one was 1776 01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:50,080 thinking of, we brought up some really good points tonight like the money being 1777 01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:54,239 refunded and the accounting. Not that we forgot about it, but this is do we want 1778 01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:59,440 to have say in this? So before they interview someone, we have you know 1779 01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:05,119 » I think that you could take a look at the job description and see if you know 1780 01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:10,599 if it doesn't include accounting for 53g money, you have them include that in the 1781 01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:10,599 job description. Glasco's doing it. 1782 01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:17,360 But no, at the meeting on the 2nd, we can 48 hours, right? So we can do it. 1783 01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:21,040 » Is it 48? I don't know what it is. >> That's just confirmed. 48 hours. So all 1784 01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:23,520 we need to do is post it in for So at the next meeting, we can set a date 1785 01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:26,639 that's two days away from the next meeting. 1786 01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:30,239 » So So that works. The only question I have is what if we get a call, I doubt 1787 01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:32,719 this would happen, that next Tuesday they've hired someone. They're going to 1788 01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:36,400 start in two weeks since before our meeting. Are we concerned that we 1789 01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:39,599 haven't had any input to Austin as a board before someone's hired? The sooner 1790 01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:43,520 the better. >> That's the I'm maybe we don't talk about 1791 01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:46,080 fee schedule because that takes some time. Do we talk about board 1792 01:57:45,119 --> 01:57:50,719 » the matters at hand? >> The matters at hand. And you know, give 1793 01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:54,639 Tim a couple months. Give Tim a month to do the feed breakout. Like maybe we 1794 01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:58,880 don't get once you I don't think it'll take him long because you just print 1795 01:57:55,760 --> 01:58:02,080 Sutton's online, print graft and shoes, >> whoever else. Yeah. 1796 01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:05,440 » The position description if the job's posted, the position description already 1797 01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:08,719 exists. So all we need to do is ask Austin for a 1798 01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:11,280 copy of the position to >> I had I had that somewhere. 1799 01:58:11,111 --> 01:58:13,280 [clears throat] >> I got it last. 1800 01:58:12,159 --> 01:58:16,239 » And whether or not it includes accounting, you might suggest that it be 1801 01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:18,320 amended. I don't think that takes a board to 1802 01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:20,560 » Do you want to see if we can meet next week? Is one day during the week better 1803 01:58:20,239 --> 01:58:26,320 than >> I think we might want to try to meet and 1804 01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:32,480 then then we can still meet again. >> But just have a quick check-in. 1805 01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:36,080 » There's a lot going on. >> Yeah. 1806 01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:38,880 » So next week is the Today's the 19th, right? 1807 01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:43,760 » Yeah. I promise I cannot do next Wednesday, Thursday. 1808 01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:47,040 » I'm trying to do Tuesday. See? >> Yeah. Yeah, I can. I will double check 1809 01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:51,920 my schedule. >> Tuesday evening booked up. 1810 01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:55,440 » We were thinking three. >> If it doesn't need to be videoed, we 1811 01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:59,360 don't need this room, right? We could we could 1812 01:58:55,920 --> 01:59:03,199 » But those rooms next week are taken, >> but you could always set the lunch, too, 1813 01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:05,199 if you needed to do evening. What if we did 1814 01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:08,159 » during the day? >> We're probably if we did like Tuesday's 1815 01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:10,400 farm [snorts] >> the darling B. 1816 01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:13,280 » There you go. >> I'm serious. I wasn't kidding. We're in 1817 01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:14,960 charge of the whole conservation I mean with 1818 01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:16,880 » Yeah, but can you do that if we need computers and all that? 1819 01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:19,360 » I don't think >> I think it's just all discussion. 1820 01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:23,280 » So I just >> I don't care. Do we want to do a Do we 1821 01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:26,880 want to do next Tuesday the 25th? >> We can meet at Palies. 1822 01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:28,719 » I don't know if we have to be on town property. 1823 01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:33,199 » Probably should. >> Not as far as town property. I think 1824 01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:35,760 it's easier for the public if if >> Yeah, because it's the public. You have 1825 01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:39,679 to be open to the public. So, I think we should stick with the town hall or the 1826 01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:43,920 police station if we're allowed to. >> So, do we want to do Tuesday the 25th at 1827 01:59:41,599 --> 01:59:47,119 3:00? >> Sure. 1828 01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:50,800 » Does that work for everybody? >> Yeah. 1829 01:59:48,639 --> 01:59:52,880 » Brandon, and I think you should be here because I think it's important 1830 01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:56,960 » be a big part of it. >> It's important for you to bring up that 1831 01:59:54,480 --> 02:00:00,880 you want the role put out to RFP, which you've made clear. Mhm. 1832 01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:04,719 » And if if Austin asks a question, you're going to be able to answer certain 1833 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:07,199 things better than us, like on certain IDAs and filings. 1834 02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:14,080 » When do you want to do this? >> Can you do Tuesday the 25th at 3 p.m.? 1835 02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:21,920 » Uh maybe I have uh 1836 02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:25,599 a D adjudicatory appeal hearing uh starting at 10:00 in Boston. 1837 02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:31,040 » Is it in person? >> It's in person. Yeah, they they're Yeah. 1838 02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:36,800 Uh well, you have to because you're getting cross-examined, right? 1839 02:00:33,199 --> 02:00:41,679 » So, it's it's a it's a project uh on what I call a second level appeal. 1840 02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:45,199 » Okay. So, there's lawyers involved. >> And I am not going to guarantee that I'm 1841 02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:48,639 going to be back by 3:00. >> Okay. 1842 02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:54,880 Not that I don't want him to be there, but I think we could I mean, we could 1843 02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:59,119 start if he know I mean we we I mean >> have you checked Austin 1844 02:00:57,040 --> 02:01:03,440 » Austin said to Austin said he'll try to work with our schedule, but we have to I 1845 02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:08,239 think we have to vote on it now. I I think Tim uh Chris, do you know how that 1846 02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:12,000 works for workshop? We have to vote on it and put it post it. Right. 1847 02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:17,520 » You don't have to vote on workshop. You just need to schedule it and you need to 1848 02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:18,880 » Yeah. You you don't have to vote on a a a meeting. 1849 02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:23,599 » Yeah. >> Okay. So, for example, uh on Monday 1850 02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:27,280 night, the Douglas Conservation Commission, they didn't vote. They 1851 02:01:25,679 --> 02:01:30,639 agreed that they were going to go on a site visit on on a project. It's kind of 1852 02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:33,440 hairy because they wanted it's one of those projects they want to see 1853 02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:40,159 themselves in addition to me. Right. Okay. Good. Um and they didn't know when 1854 02:01:37,119 --> 02:01:47,280 they were going to do it. And all you have to do is post 48 hours ahead of 1855 02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:49,679 time the location and the time of the meeting so the public can join if they 1856 02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:52,400 want to. >> Oh, so we don't have to decide tonight, 1857 02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:55,040 » right? >> No, just 48 hours. 1858 02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:59,119 » Okay. So, what 48? >> I'll reach out to Austin, see 1859 02:01:57,599 --> 02:02:02,719 » there's a business there. Yeah. Can't count Saturday. 1860 02:01:59,679 --> 02:02:05,679 » So, we'll assume the 25th at 3:00 and >> and I'll talk to Austin. If for some 1861 02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:06,960 reason that doesn't work, I'm going to I'm going to let you guys know right 1862 02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:09,280 away. >> Do the Tuesday. That way you don't have 1863 02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:11,920 to do anything. If that works, we'll just we'll all be there. If it changes, 1864 02:02:10,719 --> 02:02:15,040 you'll let us know by email. >> Yeah. And I'll let you guys I'll email 1865 02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:20,080 everyone. So, just so it's in black and white. 1866 02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:22,719 » So, this will have to be posted tomorrow because I don't think Laura's here on 1867 02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:29,599 Friday. >> So, I have to know from 1868 02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:32,480 » I would post it by tomorrow. Um because PMJ will be here tomorrow. Okay. 1869 02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:35,599 » Post it by tomorrow. >> I mean, I'm going to email Austin 1870 02:02:34,159 --> 02:02:38,080 tonight or and follow up with the phone call tomorrow morning. So I think I 1871 02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:41,520 would know by midm morning tomorrow >> just post it and then the agenda just 1872 02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:46,080 has to say you know okay >> workshop discussion 1873 02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:48,800 » well if you got to re I'm very flexible >> yeah I'm flexible 1874 02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:52,480 » and >> you can probably have the more so you 1875 02:02:50,719 --> 02:02:55,199 » that's why it has to change just let us know 1876 02:02:52,719 --> 02:02:59,520 » okay so let's plan on tenatively Tuesday the 25th at 3 o'clock for now 1877 02:02:57,760 --> 02:03:02,960 » you just post if it doesn't work out just post a different one that's 1878 02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:08,800 » perfect okay >> is it any Other discussion we've taken a 1879 02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:13,119 lot in tonight and thanks for everyone's patience. Um, anything else we want to 1880 02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:18,560 discuss, Brandon? Anything we missed? 1881 02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:22,880 Everyone's exhausted this point. >> Uh, I can't even think of of anything 1882 02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:24,719 off the top of my head. Tell you the truth, it's there's been a lot going on 1883 02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:27,679 tonight. >> I'm hearing someone who wants to make a 1884 02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:32,159 motion to adjurnn. >> We moved. 1885 02:03:30,159 --> 02:03:35,520 » I second it. Tim made a motion. Mike second. Tim, how do you vote? 1886 02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:39,840 » I Mike, how do you vote? I came out vote I bill vote I look at that first person 1887 02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:44,480 I may forget to use it >> this goes with one of the folders 1888 02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:46,639 or >> so I have 1889 02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:51,880 » room >> record 1890 02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:51,880 » I have Um,