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if everyone would join me please in
standing and say the Pledge of

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Allegiance I plg to the of the United
States of America and to the Republic

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for it stands one nation under God
indivisible ofice for all

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may I get a roll
call Mr Ean yes here Mr castler yes here

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miss Fields
here and can I get a motion for approval

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of tonight's agenda I'll make a motion
to approve the agenda and I'll second

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that Mr kastler yes Mr rikman yes M
Fields yes it's my understanding since

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we don't have at least three people that
were at last month's meeting we will

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continue the approval of the minutes is
that correct yeah yes all right we have

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one item on this evening's agenda Sims
number

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20231 silver Springhouse review a final
development plan to revise the approved

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sidewalk size and location along the
Snider Road

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Frontage

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BR good evening Brian Snider inment you
should have a copy of the staff report

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for this case this is a final
development plan modification um the

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case is
20231 so it was just approved last year

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um this zone change was approved by the
Sims Township

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trustees um with conditions um and a
specific development plan since this is

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a planned retail
District the plan that was approved by

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the trustees um included U expansion of
a parking lot demolition of a house um

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but the the point of tonight's meeting
they approved a 4-ft sidewalk um several

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feet back from the um edge of pavement
of Snider Road basically at the back of

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the rideway where our sidewalk would
typically typically be

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constructed um that was how the plan was
approved by the trustees there was a

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condition in the um trustees resolution
of approval that required the 4ft

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sidewalk to be
constructed

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um along Snider Road
um the final development plan that came

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in after that um had moved the sidewalk
from its location at 4T and several feet

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back from the road to right up against
the road and 6 feet in width um there

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was some discussion at the time that's
what the township plans had showed um

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that's what the township is planning to
construct north of the silver

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Springhouse property on Sider Road um
and this would match that sidewalk

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however um I believe the applicant can
explain it better but um they ran into

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some situations with constructing that
sidewalk where it doesn't make sense to

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build it there um and they are
requesting approval to move it back to

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the location and the size sorry back to
the location where it was approved um as

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part of the
trustees um plan and resolution and also

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to make it 5T instead of
4T um that's the um subject of the

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tonight's meeting um staff has no
findings other than we did contact the

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Hamil County Engineer's Office um the
County engineer States that um the keny

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engineer is satisfied with the 5ft
sidewalk that is shown on the attached

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plan that was sent on March 25th 2024
which is the plan that we sent to them

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um so they're okay with the plan as
submitted and as um in front of you for

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tonight's
consideration uh that's all I have I'd

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be happy to answer any
questions am I correct that the sidewalk

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goes from keer to
patrilla um it goes from keer to the

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edge of the silver Springhouse property
that's what they that's what tonight's

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meeting is about there but then it will
continue on to Peto and further north

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whatever the township builds it yes okay
and the sidewalk that's currently along

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keer is that 4 feet I believe so thank
you so basically if I understand it

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correctly you're going to take what was
what we approved what the township

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approved which was a 5 and 1/2t sidewalk
directly adjacent to the street we're

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going to put a tree line in there 5 1/2t
sidewalk you won't have to mess with the

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utilities that are underground that
would be costly to have to deal with

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with this uh sidewalk essentially yes it
was 6 and2 ft at the edge and they're

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proposing 5 ft the staff report did say
5 and 1/2 ft somewhere but that was an

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error it's 5T that's their proposal okay
all right thanks at the edge of their

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property line if kind of along north of
their property if the sidewalks going to

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be along the road are they kind of
taking into account you know if their

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sidewalk is going to be back from the
road sort of you know tying that in

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obviously um I I believe they'll have to
match the sidewalk that's constructed on

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the silver Springhouse with whatever
sidewalk the township builds down to

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that point it'll jog in some in some
fashion okay and as far as that jogging

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my recollection is in one of the
drawings it was a straight line more

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like a z is it possible to get more of
an S kind of a aesthetically pleasing

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curve
I'm not a sidewalk

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designer I'm not sure what Ada says
about that or anything else maybe we can

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let the applicant yeah trust that just
curious yeah I agree

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though thank you Brian okay thank
you someone here on behalf of the

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applicant you could identify yourself
and give us an

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address my name is Brian D with
Cincinnati United contractor is

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representing the slver Spring House at
7143 East keer Road Cincinnati Ohio

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45249 um so to answer some of the
questions um one being the the reasoning

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behind the design so we have always
shown a 4T sidewalk um in the RightWay

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but it's been up away from the street
and we do that for several reasons one

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is to match the current sidewalk that's
along East keer Road which is set back

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from the road
number two for the safety of pedestrians

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and uh patrons of the business and then
number three it's most cost

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effective
so um when we we originally proposed

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that and then you know when it got
switched uh right after the trustees

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meeting uh went to the face of the road
and then uh we want are now looking back

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to go to our original plan which is
closer into the into the right of way

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and if you could see
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have the sidewalk connecting up to the
existing intersection to where it's

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going to be right there so you can
people can walk across the intersection

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and it goes all along the way goes
through this uh with the ramps through

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this Drive Entrance and then it comes
all the way up here towards the northern

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property line of the residence here and
then right now we've dedicated 50t right

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away here and here this one currently
only has a 30t so what we did is yeah we

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did kind of a z if you will and and
joged it back to that 30 foot RightWay

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position so um if if an S works for you
guys to that's no big deal um we were

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just trying to transition it back to
that 30 right away so were those all the

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questions that I answer
everything I I guess the the only

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question I have and I don't know whether
you know this or not is why did it

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switch from the original plan to the now
current plan I mean was that a the

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township requested that or the trustees
or what happened yeah the town the

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administration requested that uh right
after the trustee meeting and before the

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final um Planning Commission meeting
okay you don't know why though uh the

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only only idea I have why is because
they were afraid of parking people

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parking along the street and thought
that putting that sidewalk against the

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street would prevent people from parking
that's the only thing that I've got on

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so there's going to be between what
you're proposing between the sidewalk

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and the street they'll be some kind of
grassy area is there going to be any uh

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landscaping or anything no no trees
we're not allowed to put that in the

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right of way okay grass yes grass okay
does that mean the existing no parking

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signs will be done as well those no
parking signs uh are actually put up by

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Hamilton County
um so we don't have jurisdiction in

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those
okay go ahead oh I was just going to say

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yeah that I think having that be more of
a gradual kind of yeah kind of s sort of

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transition would be easier for you know
I think like Wheelchairs and people with

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strollers and things like that um but is
the continuation of the sidewalk from

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where your portion ends to patrilla is
that going to be the same

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wther is that for some reason I me he
probably doesn't know but uh I could

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probably find out I have I do have
drawings of the engineer if you really

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that car suck it open on the no I mean I
know that the trustees had approved

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putting sidewalk in all the way North
keer all the way I think to Fields erles

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but I don't know exactly how they're
going to do that I mean just based on

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what they did on Union Cemetery I think
some you know they they take the most

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effective route you don't have to worry
about it yeah what's that they'll match

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it up I just thought if you knew for
some reason I thought it was going to be

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larger but it just makes sense to take
the existing and blend it in yeah yeah

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um

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it looks

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like that's passive right I think that's
the next street down after petrill

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they're showing it all against the road
which against the road they have it as 6

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and 1/2 ft wide against the road so
there's limited there's limited existing

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right away north of here and when you
get it that close to the road you have

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to build the square curve and you have
to build it wider so people can walk

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further away from the Cars makes
sense yeah so if Springhouse puts theirs

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in and then a year from now or 6 months
or two years from now whatever the time

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period
is I have 5 ft and then a larger is does

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it is it a gradual or is it just it
stops at five and then it suddenly

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becomes six it'll widen out in whatever
way they can figure out how to make it

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widen out I've seen it where one p one
square is five and one square is six and

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it just looks
horrible like if you look on Union

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Cemetery where they curve is and it's
right against I mean you can't it's you

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can't really tell I
mean uh any questions for

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Brian all right thank all right thank
you is there anyone else here that would

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like to speak in favor or against the
curent design

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proposal had to go through the formality
uh with that I'd like to close tonight's

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public hearing and open it up to
discussion among the board I think our

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thoughts are pretty
straightforward yeah I mean in the

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motion do we want to specifically kind
of state about a curvature or can that

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just sort of do we want it in the motion
or is it just sort of a recommendation

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can we is there any reason we can't
recommend

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it um I I don't I don't know exactly
what you would say or how enforceable

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that is like you you want the the
transition to be curved in nature no the

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sidewalk yeah the transition between the
sidewalks to be curved in nature instead

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of
square I'm not sure I I don't know I

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mean yeah we don't want to create any
more problems like because they realize

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that there's some electric Junction or
whatever that is now impacted you

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know you know what we'd like if you can
do it fantastic if you run the

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complications we don't want to make it
any more challenging right no problem

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all right I'll make a motion to approve
the uh Sims

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20231 uh as requested I'll
second roll Mr castler yes M Fields yes

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Mr re yes excellent uh any old business
thanks for your time thank thank you

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guys sorry we couldn't give you more of
a

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challenge I've
you're not used to this no I'm not I

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think this is the history of s c have
attended a sprous

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meeting thank you uh any new business
we'll have a meeting in May it's mle 7

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Brew coming back to make some
modifications for their final was that

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approved last month or was it tabled yes
it was okay and they're just changing

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well that was one of the issue with the
eement and the parking and yeah any

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administrative matters no
motion to adjourn I'll make that motion

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I'll second here's alone Mr castler I M
Fields yes that's

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right
yes no