[0:12] if everyone would join me please in
standing and say the Pledge of
[0:16] Allegiance I plg to the of the United
States of America and to the Republic
[0:22] for it stands one nation under God
indivisible ofice for all
[0:32] may I get a roll
call Mr Ean yes here Mr castler yes here
[0:39] miss Fields
here and can I get a motion for approval
[0:44] of tonight's agenda I'll make a motion
to approve the agenda and I'll second
[0:49] that Mr kastler yes Mr rikman yes M
Fields yes it's my understanding since
[0:57] we don't have at least three people that
were at last month's meeting we will
[1:01] continue the approval of the minutes is
that correct yeah yes all right we have
[1:07] one item on this evening's agenda Sims
number
[1:11] 20231 silver Springhouse review a final
development plan to revise the approved
[1:17] sidewalk size and location along the
Snider Road
[1:20] Frontage
[1:25] BR good evening Brian Snider inment you
should have a copy of the staff report
[1:30] for this case this is a final
development plan modification um the
[1:36] case is
20231 so it was just approved last year
[1:41] um this zone change was approved by the
Sims Township
[1:44] trustees um with conditions um and a
specific development plan since this is
[1:49] a planned retail
District the plan that was approved by
[1:54] the trustees um included U expansion of
a parking lot demolition of a house um
[2:01] but the the point of tonight's meeting
they approved a 4-ft sidewalk um several
[2:06] feet back from the um edge of pavement
of Snider Road basically at the back of
[2:10] the rideway where our sidewalk would
typically typically be
[2:14] constructed um that was how the plan was
approved by the trustees there was a
[2:19] condition in the um trustees resolution
of approval that required the 4ft
[2:24] sidewalk to be
constructed
[2:27] um along Snider Road
um the final development plan that came
[2:32] in after that um had moved the sidewalk
from its location at 4T and several feet
[2:38] back from the road to right up against
the road and 6 feet in width um there
[2:44] was some discussion at the time that's
what the township plans had showed um
[2:48] that's what the township is planning to
construct north of the silver
[2:51] Springhouse property on Sider Road um
and this would match that sidewalk
[2:56] however um I believe the applicant can
explain it better but um they ran into
[2:59] some situations with constructing that
sidewalk where it doesn't make sense to
[3:03] build it there um and they are
requesting approval to move it back to
[3:06] the location and the size sorry back to
the location where it was approved um as
[3:10] part of the
trustees um plan and resolution and also
[3:15] to make it 5T instead of
4T um that's the um subject of the
[3:22] tonight's meeting um staff has no
findings other than we did contact the
[3:26] Hamil County Engineer's Office um the
County engineer States that um the keny
[3:32] engineer is satisfied with the 5ft
sidewalk that is shown on the attached
[3:35] plan that was sent on March 25th 2024
which is the plan that we sent to them
[3:39] um so they're okay with the plan as
submitted and as um in front of you for
[3:43] tonight's
consideration uh that's all I have I'd
[3:46] be happy to answer any
questions am I correct that the sidewalk
[3:50] goes from keer to
patrilla um it goes from keer to the
[3:54] edge of the silver Springhouse property
that's what they that's what tonight's
[3:59] meeting is about there but then it will
continue on to Peto and further north
[4:04] whatever the township builds it yes okay
and the sidewalk that's currently along
[4:09] keer is that 4 feet I believe so thank
you so basically if I understand it
[4:17] correctly you're going to take what was
what we approved what the township
[4:22] approved which was a 5 and 1/2t sidewalk
directly adjacent to the street we're
[4:28] going to put a tree line in there 5 1/2t
sidewalk you won't have to mess with the
[4:33] utilities that are underground that
would be costly to have to deal with
[4:37] with this uh sidewalk essentially yes it
was 6 and2 ft at the edge and they're
[4:42] proposing 5 ft the staff report did say
5 and 1/2 ft somewhere but that was an
[4:45] error it's 5T that's their proposal okay
all right thanks at the edge of their
[4:51] property line if kind of along north of
their property if the sidewalks going to
[4:57] be along the road are they kind of
taking into account you know if their
[5:02] sidewalk is going to be back from the
road sort of you know tying that in
[5:06] obviously um I I believe they'll have to
match the sidewalk that's constructed on
[5:13] the silver Springhouse with whatever
sidewalk the township builds down to
[5:16] that point it'll jog in some in some
fashion okay and as far as that jogging
[5:21] my recollection is in one of the
drawings it was a straight line more
[5:24] like a z is it possible to get more of
an S kind of a aesthetically pleasing
[5:29] curve
I'm not a sidewalk
[5:32] designer I'm not sure what Ada says
about that or anything else maybe we can
[5:36] let the applicant yeah trust that just
curious yeah I agree
[5:43] though thank you Brian okay thank
you someone here on behalf of the
[5:48] applicant you could identify yourself
and give us an
[5:56] address my name is Brian D with
Cincinnati United contractor is
[5:59] representing the slver Spring House at
7143 East keer Road Cincinnati Ohio
[6:05] 45249 um so to answer some of the
questions um one being the the reasoning
[6:12] behind the design so we have always
shown a 4T sidewalk um in the RightWay
[6:19] but it's been up away from the street
and we do that for several reasons one
[6:25] is to match the current sidewalk that's
along East keer Road which is set back
[6:29] from the road
number two for the safety of pedestrians
[6:33] and uh patrons of the business and then
number three it's most cost
[6:37] effective
so um when we we originally proposed
[6:42] that and then you know when it got
switched uh right after the trustees
[6:46] meeting uh went to the face of the road
and then uh we want are now looking back
[6:52] to go to our original plan which is
closer into the into the right of way
[6:57] and if you could see
we
[7:02] have the sidewalk connecting up to the
existing intersection to where it's
[7:07] going to be right there so you can
people can walk across the intersection
[7:10] and it goes all along the way goes
through this uh with the ramps through
[7:16] this Drive Entrance and then it comes
all the way up here towards the northern
[7:20] property line of the residence here and
then right now we've dedicated 50t right
[7:25] away here and here this one currently
only has a 30t so what we did is yeah we
[7:30] did kind of a z if you will and and
joged it back to that 30 foot RightWay
[7:37] position so um if if an S works for you
guys to that's no big deal um we were
[7:43] just trying to transition it back to
that 30 right away so were those all the
[7:48] questions that I answer
everything I I guess the the only
[7:52] question I have and I don't know whether
you know this or not is why did it
[7:57] switch from the original plan to the now
current plan I mean was that a the
[8:02] township requested that or the trustees
or what happened yeah the town the
[8:07] administration requested that uh right
after the trustee meeting and before the
[8:12] final um Planning Commission meeting
okay you don't know why though uh the
[8:18] only only idea I have why is because
they were afraid of parking people
[8:22] parking along the street and thought
that putting that sidewalk against the
[8:27] street would prevent people from parking
that's the only thing that I've got on
[8:31] so there's going to be between what
you're proposing between the sidewalk
[8:36] and the street they'll be some kind of
grassy area is there going to be any uh
[8:42] landscaping or anything no no trees
we're not allowed to put that in the
[8:46] right of way okay grass yes grass okay
does that mean the existing no parking
[8:53] signs will be done as well those no
parking signs uh are actually put up by
[8:58] Hamilton County
um so we don't have jurisdiction in
[9:03] those
okay go ahead oh I was just going to say
[9:07] yeah that I think having that be more of
a gradual kind of yeah kind of s sort of
[9:14] transition would be easier for you know
I think like Wheelchairs and people with
[9:18] strollers and things like that um but is
the continuation of the sidewalk from
[9:25] where your portion ends to patrilla is
that going to be the same
[9:30] wther is that for some reason I me he
probably doesn't know but uh I could
[9:34] probably find out I have I do have
drawings of the engineer if you really
[9:38] that car suck it open on the no I mean I
know that the trustees had approved
[9:44] putting sidewalk in all the way North
keer all the way I think to Fields erles
[9:49] but I don't know exactly how they're
going to do that I mean just based on
[9:54] what they did on Union Cemetery I think
some you know they they take the most
[9:58] effective route you don't have to worry
about it yeah what's that they'll match
[10:02] it up I just thought if you knew for
some reason I thought it was going to be
[10:05] larger but it just makes sense to take
the existing and blend it in yeah yeah
[10:11] um
[10:30] it looks
[10:34] like that's passive right I think that's
the next street down after petrill
[10:40] they're showing it all against the road
which against the road they have it as 6
[10:43] and 1/2 ft wide against the road so
there's limited there's limited existing
[10:48] right away north of here and when you
get it that close to the road you have
[10:52] to build the square curve and you have
to build it wider so people can walk
[10:54] further away from the Cars makes
sense yeah so if Springhouse puts theirs
[11:01] in and then a year from now or 6 months
or two years from now whatever the time
[11:05] period
is I have 5 ft and then a larger is does
[11:10] it is it a gradual or is it just it
stops at five and then it suddenly
[11:14] becomes six it'll widen out in whatever
way they can figure out how to make it
[11:18] widen out I've seen it where one p one
square is five and one square is six and
[11:24] it just looks
horrible like if you look on Union
[11:28] Cemetery where they curve is and it's
right against I mean you can't it's you
[11:33] can't really tell I
mean uh any questions for
[11:39] Brian all right thank all right thank
you is there anyone else here that would
[11:44] like to speak in favor or against the
curent design
[11:50] proposal had to go through the formality
uh with that I'd like to close tonight's
[11:55] public hearing and open it up to
discussion among the board I think our
[12:01] thoughts are pretty
straightforward yeah I mean in the
[12:06] motion do we want to specifically kind
of state about a curvature or can that
[12:10] just sort of do we want it in the motion
or is it just sort of a recommendation
[12:14] can we is there any reason we can't
recommend
[12:19] it um I I don't I don't know exactly
what you would say or how enforceable
[12:24] that is like you you want the the
transition to be curved in nature no the
[12:30] sidewalk yeah the transition between the
sidewalks to be curved in nature instead
[12:33] of
square I'm not sure I I don't know I
[12:39] mean yeah we don't want to create any
more problems like because they realize
[12:44] that there's some electric Junction or
whatever that is now impacted you
[12:49] know you know what we'd like if you can
do it fantastic if you run the
[12:54] complications we don't want to make it
any more challenging right no problem
[12:59] all right I'll make a motion to approve
the uh Sims
[13:05] 20231 uh as requested I'll
second roll Mr castler yes M Fields yes
[13:17] Mr re yes excellent uh any old business
thanks for your time thank thank you
[13:24] guys sorry we couldn't give you more of
a
[13:27] challenge I've
you're not used to this no I'm not I
[13:31] think this is the history of s c have
attended a sprous
[13:36] meeting thank you uh any new business
we'll have a meeting in May it's mle 7
[13:43] Brew coming back to make some
modifications for their final was that
[13:48] approved last month or was it tabled yes
it was okay and they're just changing
[13:52] well that was one of the issue with the
eement and the parking and yeah any
[13:57] administrative matters no
motion to adjourn I'll make that motion
[14:02] I'll second here's alone Mr castler I M
Fields yes that's
[14:08] right
yes no