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I call the meeting to order and we're
going to start with the pledge of

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allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

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stands nation
indivisibley

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and justice for all.

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We're going to start off the meeting
with public comments from the floor.

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These are agenda items only. Two minutes
per speaker.

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» Yes.
>> My name is John Gazill. I'm the new

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director of the Syracuse uh Turkey Creek
Township Public Library.

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» Nice to meet y'all. and and I wanted to
say thank you to uh you for having our

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board member Diana Clark on the agenda
tonight. So, speaking about the agenda

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item, um the library board is really
supportive of public library here in

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Syracuse and if it weren't for great
board members, we wouldn't have a great

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public library. So, thank you.
>> Thank you for introducing yourself.

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» She's she's still healing trying hard.

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No.

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» Did you just get started?
>> I did. It's at the beginning of my

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second week. Last night was my first
board meeting.

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» Okay.
>> And my door's always open. If y'all have

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any questions, please come and see me.
>> You going to miss the drive?

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» No, I am not. I love 15 minutes is best.
>> That's awesome.

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» Anyone else?
We're going to move on to approval of

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minutes. We can do first through the 916
and then the 918

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to approve
September 16 and September 18. Oh,

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they're two different agenda items.
Okay. 16.

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» Do we have a second?
>> Yes. Second. We have a motion and a

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second to accept the regular meeting
minutes. All

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» in favor?

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» I'll make the same motion on September
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» I think you can still
>> you can still you are still able to

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vote.
>> So can Ibody?

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» Okay. Okay, we have a motion to accept
the minutes. Um, and a second. All in

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favor?
>> Then Virginia, do I sign?

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» Yes.

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» Oh, sorry. I just

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I guess that goes in my

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» Now we'll move on to agenda number six,
approval.

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I move to approve sign 88

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» 1123

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» I'll second
>> Okay, we have a motion to approve the

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claims.
All in favor?

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We have an agreement.

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It doesn't look like we have to take any

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» agreement.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. Uh yeah, you do have to uh uh
approve that. I don't think I was ready

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for last year.
>> Okay.

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» So, you do have to prove it. It is a
standard agreement which provides for

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Oprah.

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Excuse me. Doesn't provide for Oprah.
provides for

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» yeah I couldn't think of the acronym
thank you bill in here too

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» make to provide the administrative uh
services for management of uh that grant

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on that project
the language is the same as every other

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agreement that may sends out to every
other organization or every other town

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or municipality
>> I'll move to approve

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» yes I'll move to approve the agreement
for professional brand administrative

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services

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and to be signed by
guess our vice president.

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» We have a second.
We have a

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motion and a second for the great
professional services.

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All in favor?

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We have on the agenda just a gateway
sign discussion and I wish David was

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here for this discussion. Um,
>> Brett, do you have anything you want to

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add about the gateway signs?
>> Well, I was Yeah.

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» Beautif
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of those signs as designed from uh the
gentleman who has his company, marketing

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company in I believe my lives here at
the lake. Um the intruary signs wide

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um are expense obviously, but they're
they're really a beautiful entryway

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signs. Does our community um a fitting
uh salute and tribute to Syracuse and

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the lakes and what our community means
to our county and our tourism region uh

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throughout northeast Indiana. And uh so
the chamber is in full support of those

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designs um
as a a source of community pride even as

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you enter Syracuse from the north and
the south. So I just wanted to let you

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know that the chamber uh is fully behind
the entryway signs as designed.

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» Do we have any other discussion this
time?

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U I
I I'm not committed to the both signs. I

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I think I like the way the north sign
looks that they re rehab or whatever

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they brought up. I think it looks nice.
I I can see some reason on the south

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side that it might be more visible,
but uh I also think that maybe the

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gateway discussion should be a full five
person discussion

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» and David
probably should be here.

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» Yeah.
>> And so maybe I would move to table that

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next month.
>> Yeah. And it just says discussion.

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» Yeah.
>> It doesn't say

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» it's just a agenda item. So I don't
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» I know they're expensive.
>> We have to Well, that's expensive as it

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were. We're spending $120,000
on signs of this nature, especially with

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the cutbacks that are coming
through less tax money coming in. Uh, it

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would be very hard for me to

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fall. I like the one on the north. I
know it's old, but I like it. I look at

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other communities around and they have
the standard rectangular signs that say

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green whatever and I just can't see
spending that kind of money at this

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time.

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I have been on a beautifification
committee with David and

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Virginia on it. Michelle

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will
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I I think it would be a good thing for

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our town. That's just my opinion. I know
they're expensive, but if they last

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decades,
then you get your money out of them. Um,

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I know we're spending a lot of money on
other things that people don't really

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see and those things are important, but
I think it's

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just my opinion. I think they would be
an asset for a community. But I do think

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we should have everybody here and also
hear from David. So, anybody has

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anything else? Let's move on.
>> Okay.

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» Okay.
We have in front of us um

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we need to appoint Diana Clark
if the boards like to to the library

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board and that's what John was speaking.

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» Well, she seems to be very happy there.
She's obviously doing a good job.

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I would like to make the nomination to
add to continue.

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» Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion in a second to

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accept Diana Clark
to library board for Syracuse. All in

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favor?

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Is that where you want the assignment?
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So now we have our second public hearing
for the 2026 budget and I have to open

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that again.

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» Okay, I'd like to open the

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2026 budget hearing at this point. Do we
have any comments from the community

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too? Any

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comments from

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any comments from the board?

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» So then we
vote on this tonight.

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» Okay.
I'm looking for a motion.

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» I'll make a motion to adopt ordinance.

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» Six. We have a motion. Do we have a
second?

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» Yes.
>> Thank you, Bill. We have a motion and a

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second

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for the ordinance or resolution for
appropriations and tax rates for 2026.

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All in favor?

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There's
the outside.

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» We're going to move on to the
Commonwealth Engineering Report.

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» Robin, is that correct?
>> Yes.

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» Thank you. I'm Robin Matthews with
Commonwealth Engineers at a conference

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this week. So, but um I'm mostly do
transportation engineering work for so

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it's probably appropriate that I'm here.
Um Jeremy did want me to mention that on

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the water project there at um they've
had their 50% design review this town

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and um so they're moving towards 90%
completion on their design work on the

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water project. Um
For the road projects, we're using the

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CCMG program within that. Um, we came
out early today and observed progress on

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Boston Street, this year's project. And
then I also have for your review and

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approval a task order to do the design
work and assistance um with bidding and

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construction engineering and inepth
coordination for next year's project.

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Um, hopefully you have that in front of
you. the roads that the town is um

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looking to do um a resurface at a
minimum. Some of these have a little bit

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more involvement. Um Kern Road, we're
going to do a little widening the curve.

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Um Oak Street from Portland's Railroad.
Pittsburgh from Walnut to State Road 13.

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Front Street from Railroad to Chicago
Street. Sorry, railroad tracks to

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Chicago Street. Um Henry Street from
Huntington Street to Street, Harrison

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Street from State Road 13 to the dead
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Northshore Drive from Long Drive to the
East Town limit. Palm drive from Park

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Drive to Lakeside Drive. Walnut Street
from Baltimore to Chicago. Parkway Drive

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from Carol to Henry. Carol Street from
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alleys as well. Um so what's included in
our scope as I was starting to mention

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the hourly assistance for the um
application which Mark and I were just

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discussing that he's going to handle
that for the most part um but we'll

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assist as needed. Um we've got quite a
bit of survey work to do for the

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widening on cur. We also have to
identify right away on current there

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being some county limit involvement. We
need to make sure we do everything in

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appropriate right away for that. Um and
then there's preliminary design final

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design bidding assistance put the
project out to bid and then an hourly

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construction engineering
phase as well to assist. Again Mark do a

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really good job with that. So our
involvement tends to be minimal but um

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need to be involved a little bit. So
there's some hour late in that phase. Um

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and then the schedule is um in here as
well. It's just kind of as needed to get

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the project done um by the time frames
required by INDOT and so that you can

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build the project next construction
season which would be next summer.

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Are there any questions for me?

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» Yeah.
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» Yeah. And INDOT has um
increased the percentage that they pay.

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So this year it was a 75% to your 25.
Next year or this one we'll be

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submitting for this month. Um they'll be
matching at 80%. You'll only be paying

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20. So you're getting a little more

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Mark, is there any of this the city
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» We are doing all this.
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» we'll do quite a bit of that, but
they'll be available on call if I need

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help.
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» So that we won't be build if if I'm
doing the work.

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» So this this total that's in here is not
to exceed total.

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» Correct.
>> Worst case scenario.

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I move to approve the task order

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» 142 142,000
>> yeah not to exceed

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» and again be signed by the vice
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» I'll second it
excuse me

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we have a
recommendation and then a second.

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» So for the task order,
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» that Robin just kind of outlined for us
and it was in your packet.

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» All in favor?

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» Do you have anything else to share with
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Virginia, did David leave anything
except anything different than what's in

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that package?
>> Did you have I don't know. You have

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questions about David's package. I guess
we'll have to check with him when he

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gets back. I have questions.

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We'll move on to police.
>> All right.

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» Jim,
>> is there any questions over my report?

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» I didn't have any.

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» Um,
you didn't get

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» Oh, gotcha. Got
the 2018 police car, is that your next

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car up to be

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Uh, car nine. Yes, that'd be the next
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» Which car?
>> Which car? Nine?

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» Yeah, nine with 102,000. 56 miles. Car
10 is our spare card.

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» What about two? Why is 942?
>> Two is uh one of the pickups.

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» And it it seems to be going well still.
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but the cars, they're the ones we've
been having getting frequent issues with

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now that they're getting up there in
age. We've replaced think three.

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is for next year. You're replacing this
next year.

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And then possibly looking at car five.
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just right about 10 years old.

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Yeah, the pickups they seem to be doing
a little bit better. I mean, they're not

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it's the detectives and me detective I

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seem to last pretty well.
So in all you're proposing or you're

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going to propose in the future that the
car number nine be replaced.

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» Yes. For vehicle license.

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» I have no other questions.

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» Um the only other thing I have is the
2026 terminal service data agreement

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with the county.
for approval of it for $5,790.75.

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That's the yearly um
agreement for us to access the equipment

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to access
NCIC

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and
fire computers.

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I move to approve the interlocal
agreement between county

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$5,790.75.

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» We have a motion. Do we have a second?
>> Second.

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» All in favor?
That was for the interlocal agreement.

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Other
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as police. Um, ADA, no complaints.

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» Thank you.

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» Parks does

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here. They're always busy this time of
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You have any questions? I guess we'll
go to public works.

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» Any questions on my report?

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» Probably seen a lot of activity around
town.

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I was just reading all the stuff back
here

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company.

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» Yeah,
>> of course.

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Part of the job.
>> Yeah.

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» In December of 2023 and January of 2024,
we were working with Verier Midwest to

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get a backer trailer for the street
department. It's for hydro excavating.

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Lot safer than running a back hole in
many circumstances.

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Perfect for putting in a side.
So we it's one of our most use

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existing trail. So in 2023
we

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agreed to a purchase from Verier
and they still have not with that

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machine.
So, their communication skills

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are are lacking. Um,
>> where are they out of

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» Portland?

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Like me and uh so we have called many
times. Paul Hoffman and I have reached

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out many times to get the status of this
machine. We've been put off. Um they

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raised the price on in the middle of the
agreeing.

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So,
two weeks ago,

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three weeks ago, I told them they can
keep their beautiful machine.

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So, Paul had looked had been looking
extensively for a unit that would not

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require a CDL and he found one that is
actually a self-contained truck very

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similar to the back truck that the sewer
department uses. Um this is a

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self-contained unit just drive it and
because of that it's lighter than a

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truck trailer combo it does not require
a C drive. So that big cluster of tongue

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there.
So my request is

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since I have vacated the PO liquidated
the purchase order for the original

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piece of equipment we have that money is
available. However, this machine because

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it is a truck is more expensive.
The difference is $52,500.

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So, I would I would would request to use
the encumbered money for the original

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purchase plus the $52,500
from new street equipment count for40.

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We have a balance of $140,000
there. So, for a total of $279,500

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We get this machine for
>> And how soon can you get that machine?

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» Two weeks.
>> It is a waiting two years.

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» It's a demo. They've had it in town.
They will give us a new machine warranty

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on it.
Our crew has actually ran actually used

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to see if it was something that we were
now fell in love with.

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So my request is for
$279,500

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from ground equipment. Just question.
Did you have a signed agreement with

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them for $186,47?

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They violated the terms of that
agreement by putting us off for almost

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two years.
>> I mean, I'm just wondering if you could

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have enforced that.
Well, you still can.

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» But I mean, I know you said that this is
a better deal all in all, but it is.

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» If they signed an agreement that said
they provide something for 186, I think

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they probably stuck with that agreement.
It's not even built yet.

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» Yeah. Well, the the thing is if you
enter a contract with somebody or

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whatever item might be and they've
reached the contract, which is fair to

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say they've reached that, you have to go
buy it from a another supplier at a

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higher price. Your damages are the
difference between what you contracted

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with them originally and the higher
price, which if I'm following your math,

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seems like it's about 52,000 bucks.
>> 52,500.

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» Yeah.
>> Right. Well,

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» it's an upgrade.
>> I you've got to purchase what might be

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available out there.
>> So, in theory, you could pursue them

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contractually for that. If you decided
you wanted to, I don't know, hire an

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attorney to file a lawsuit, you'd have
the opportunity to do that. Whether you

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want to do that for that kind of money,
I I don't know.

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» That's a discussion we can have.
>> Yeah.

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» But you have to get But that wouldn't
keep us from approving.

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» Oh, I keep you from doing this at all.
No,

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» we're actually coming out.
>> Yeah. Well, then then I make a motion to

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um
I guess allow you to

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for this demo hydro state
and for delivery of this vehicle

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in the next two weeks.

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» Do we have a motion? Do we have a
second?

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» I think I'll second that.
>> Thank you.

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» We have a motion for the demo hydro
quote

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and all in favor.

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» Thank you. And that's all I have unless
there's questions.

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» Yes. Um, you have been presented with
the 2026 water and wastewater budget.

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And if there's any questions on that, I
would be glad to answer because we have

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shifted funds around and kept the
increases to an absolute min.

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» I didn't really have any questions.
>> And I looked it over and I thought the

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increases were very reasonable as well.
probably totally in line with the cost

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of living we all we have to endure.
Do we have to bring the waste for you?

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» You could

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move to approve the waste water and
water

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26 proposed budgets.
I'll second.

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All
>> in favor?

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Thank you.

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» You guys have any questions about our
report?

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» Uh the only thing come before this
council is we need approval to purchase

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the firefighter turnout gear up to
$5,000 from Conway Shields. That will

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come from the 2025 equipment budget.
It's for a new firefighter that we

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hired. As you know, I'll be retired at
the end of the year. So, somebody else

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will be coming. So, we've already moved
forward with that.

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» So, we need appropriate purchase here.
>> How much was it?

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» Up to $5,000 from Conways.
>> Okay. I'll make that motion.

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» I'll sub that motion.
>> All right. We have up to $5,000 of

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firefighter.
>> Not to exceed.

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» Not to exceed.
>> Yes, we have a motion and a second. All

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in favor?

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I have

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» I saw the information for November
meeting.

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» Yeah.

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» Oh, and then the ordinance
appropriation that um to review and that

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it will be advertised between

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» Thank you.

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» That's what this is.

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» Okay. only thing Dave asked me to bring
to you to make sure that you've already

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taken care of which is agreement.

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» Thank you.
>> Do we have any public comments from the

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floor on nonaggenda items?
>> Thank you. I forgot to mention we do

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have a battalion chief Robert Kinky will
be retiring at at the end of this month

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October the 31st and we will have a
retirement with Colton House for him at

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our station one on November the 7th
which is a Friday from 4 to 7 p.m. He

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has been with our department for 35
years.

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» What was his name again?
>> Robert Tinki. He's battalion chief.

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» 4 to 7
>> 4 to 7 p.m. at our station one. Yes. Can

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you remind us?
>> I can't.

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Okay. Thank you.
[Music]

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» Thank you.
>> All business

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to
have a motion to

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It's a spelling question,
>> so it's not a big sad thing.