1 00:03:30,601 --> 00:03:38,451 Great, now we can begin. We can 2 00:03:38,451 --> 00:03:42,520 start right now. Beautiful. Hello, 3 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,443 everyone. This is the 4 00:03:44,443 --> 00:03:46,596 regularly scheduled meeting of the Syracuse 5 00:03:46,596 --> 00:03:48,805 Landmarks Preservation Board, 6 00:03:48,805 --> 00:03:50,903 and today is September 17, 7 00:03:50,903 --> 00:03:52,946 2026. Present at today's meeting 8 00:03:52,946 --> 00:03:53,819 are 9 00:03:53,819 --> 00:03:54,920 Nicole Freginato, 10 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:55,859 Kyle Gregory, 11 00:03:55,859 --> 00:03:57,229 Jeff Romano, 12 00:03:57,229 --> 00:03:58,700 Hillary Donahue, 13 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:00,209 Samuel Prescott, 14 00:04:00,209 --> 00:04:02,020 and Kate Alwider. 15 00:04:02,020 --> 00:04:03,542 Excuse me, 16 00:04:03,542 --> 00:04:05,720 Howard, and 17 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,780 we're waiting for Pat. Yes. 18 00:04:06,780 --> 00:04:09,086 Okay, thank you. Can I have a 19 00:04:09,086 --> 00:04:10,791 motion to accept the minutes of 20 00:04:10,791 --> 00:04:12,731 August 27th? 21 00:04:12,731 --> 00:04:13,819 I will make a motion to accept the 22 00:04:13,819 --> 00:04:14,165 minutes. Do 23 00:04:14,165 --> 00:04:15,729 I have someone to back her up? I 24 00:04:15,729 --> 00:04:17,026 second that. 25 00:04:17,026 --> 00:04:18,638 Any changes or modifications to those 26 00:04:18,638 --> 00:04:23,412 minutes? There is no audience. All in favor, 27 00:04:23,412 --> 00:04:26,976 according to what was presented. Against? 28 00:04:26,976 --> 00:04:30,720 Abstaining? The motion is approved. 29 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,422 Public hearings, excuse me. The 30 00:04:33,422 --> 00:04:34,525 board will now conduct 31 00:04:34,525 --> 00:04:35,905 public hearings on 32 00:04:35,905 --> 00:04:38,064 today's agenda. First, the 33 00:04:38,064 --> 00:04:39,613 applicant or the applicant's representative will be invited 34 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,338 to describe the scope of the 35 00:04:41,338 --> 00:04:42,798 project work and submit 36 00:04:42,798 --> 00:04:44,390 any materials and documentation 37 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:46,115 related to the proposal to the board 38 00:04:46,115 --> 00:04:48,467 . Next, those who 39 00:04:48,467 --> 00:04:50,151 wish to speak in favor of the proposal 40 00:04:50,151 --> 00:04:51,880 will have the opportunity to address 41 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,780 the board. Then, those who 42 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:56,808 wish to speak out against it may 43 00:04:56,808 --> 00:04:59,533 address the board. Finally, the 44 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:01,370 applicant or representative will have the 45 00:05:01,370 --> 00:05:02,925 opportunity to make 46 00:05:02,925 --> 00:05:05,287 final comments to the board. Following the 47 00:05:05,287 --> 00:05:06,953 public comments, the board 48 00:05:06,953 --> 00:05:08,762 may vote to approve, approve with 49 00:05:08,762 --> 00:05:10,619 conditions, or deny the request that has 50 00:05:10,619 --> 00:05:12,868 just been heard. The board 51 00:05:12,868 --> 00:05:14,245 may also decide to uphold its decision 52 00:05:14,245 --> 00:05:16,679 until the next public hearing. 53 00:05:16,679 --> 00:05:19,730 If the hearing is closed, no 54 00:05:19,779 --> 00:05:21,668 additional information will be allowed to be recorded in the minutes, except for that which 55 00:05:21,668 --> 00:05:23,783 the board may request. That 56 00:05:23,783 --> 00:05:25,481 information will be available for 57 00:05:25,481 --> 00:05:27,225 public review with 58 00:05:27,225 --> 00:05:29,738 board staff. Staff, submit our 59 00:05:29,738 --> 00:05:30,700 first application. 60 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:34,353 That would be me. Very good. The first 61 00:05:34,353 --> 00:05:37,439 application is CA-26-19. It is a 62 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:39,479 certificate of suitability for 120 63 00:05:39,479 --> 00:05:43,160 Dorset Road. It's for 64 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,371 garage repairs and new doors. Actually, it's 65 00:05:46,371 --> 00:05:48,483 more of a 66 00:05:48,483 --> 00:05:51,339 garage reconstruction and some new doors. The 67 00:05:51,339 --> 00:05:53,389 property is located in the 68 00:05:53,389 --> 00:05:56,184 Berkeley Park Preservation District. And 69 00:05:56,184 --> 00:05:58,286 we have Tom DiTullio here to 70 00:05:58,286 --> 00:06:00,241 speak on behalf of the project. 71 00:06:00,241 --> 00:06:01,160 Good morning. Good morning, board of 72 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,280 directors. How are you today? 73 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:03,193 Brilliant. Thank you. 74 00:06:03,193 --> 00:06:04,616 Okay, can I bring you something to wear when you're 75 00:06:04,616 --> 00:06:05,460 introducing yourselves? 76 00:06:05,460 --> 00:06:07,736 Clear. I'm Tom DiTullio. Tom Thomas J. 77 00:06:07,736 --> 00:06:09,785 DiTullio Architects, 237 Woody Ave, 78 00:06:09,785 --> 00:06:11,259 Syracuse, New York. 79 00:06:11,259 --> 00:06:11,880 Thank you, sir. 80 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,678 A few of these every now and then, 81 00:06:13,678 --> 00:06:15,431 so... Actually, it became, 82 00:06:15,431 --> 00:06:16,690 as Kate said, more of a 83 00:06:16,690 --> 00:06:18,219 rebuild than a simple 84 00:06:18,219 --> 00:06:20,057 repair. Once we went inside and 85 00:06:20,057 --> 00:06:21,716 started inspecting, the walls 86 00:06:21,716 --> 00:06:23,120 are basically brand new walls, brand 87 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,651 new concrete walls, brand 88 00:06:24,651 --> 00:06:26,311 new concrete block walls, which are 89 00:06:26,311 --> 00:06:29,235 different from the ones the house already has. On 90 00:06:29,235 --> 00:06:32,183 three sides of it. And we have 91 00:06:32,183 --> 00:06:35,090 excessive deterioration and faults such as 92 00:06:35,090 --> 00:06:37,908 bowing, cracks and some 93 00:06:37,908 --> 00:06:41,431 excessive deterioration around both 94 00:06:41,431 --> 00:06:44,208 sides. So, we're going to have to 95 00:06:44,208 --> 00:06:46,224 dig around there. The only problem is 96 00:06:46,224 --> 00:06:47,607 that we have a rear easement 97 00:06:47,607 --> 00:06:49,143 where the power lines run through 98 00:06:49,143 --> 00:06:50,680 the back of Dorset, right here 99 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,439 on the hill. Therefore, we cannot 100 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:53,717 reinstall electrical equipment 101 00:06:53,717 --> 00:06:55,106 there or near the neighbors. Well, we'll have to do a 102 00:06:55,106 --> 00:06:56,586 lot of digging by hand and use 103 00:06:56,586 --> 00:06:58,766 small machinery. To keep the 104 00:06:58,766 --> 00:07:00,431 cost down and prevent the poor man from 105 00:07:00,431 --> 00:07:03,790 paying $100,000 for a garage, we're 106 00:07:03,790 --> 00:07:05,259 trying to do everything we can. 107 00:07:05,259 --> 00:07:06,816 One of the things we are considering 108 00:07:06,816 --> 00:07:08,169 to save costs is the 109 00:07:08,169 --> 00:07:10,405 tilting door. We thought about ordering a 110 00:07:10,405 --> 00:07:12,118 wooden tilt-up door, and we can 111 00:07:12,118 --> 00:07:13,831 get them, but they take between 180 112 00:07:13,831 --> 00:07:16,841 and 200 days. So waiting that 113 00:07:16,841 --> 00:07:18,612 long, leaving us in winter and doing 114 00:07:18,612 --> 00:07:20,288 all the concrete work 115 00:07:20,288 --> 00:07:21,964 outside, would be a bit costly and 116 00:07:21,964 --> 00:07:24,746 inefficient. It would probably cost 117 00:07:24,746 --> 00:07:26,335 twice as much as the concrete work, 118 00:07:26,335 --> 00:07:29,605 having to heat and maintain it. That's 119 00:07:29,605 --> 00:07:30,759 one of the fears we have. 120 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:32,452 Apart from that, everything will go back to 121 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:34,504 exactly as it is now. I 122 00:07:34,504 --> 00:07:36,702 showed her photographs with salt water, 123 00:07:36,702 --> 00:07:38,845 and she has all the photographs of 124 00:07:38,845 --> 00:07:42,794 what's there now. The 125 00:07:42,794 --> 00:07:44,982 interior front of the garage and the 126 00:07:44,982 --> 00:07:47,049 main entrance beam have failed so 127 00:07:47,049 --> 00:07:49,359 drastically that the door is 128 00:07:49,359 --> 00:07:52,060 rotting halfway through. Okay, I'm 129 00:07:52,060 --> 00:07:55,040 going to look at the photos. Yes of 130 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,760 course. As you can see, we don't want 131 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,689 the failure to compromise the 132 00:07:59,689 --> 00:08:02,604 roof system and structure. So, 133 00:08:02,604 --> 00:08:05,142 with that in mind, it's a bit 134 00:08:05,142 --> 00:08:07,969 difficult to find cost savings to 135 00:08:07,969 --> 00:08:12,875 do something, but currently, one of 136 00:08:12,875 --> 00:08:14,275 the things we can offer would be to 137 00:08:14,275 --> 00:08:15,712 replace the doors with a 138 00:08:15,712 --> 00:08:18,792 metal door that looks the same. And it looks like 139 00:08:18,792 --> 00:08:21,598 the house, the garage, was built in the 140 00:08:21,598 --> 00:08:24,265 1930s, 1940s compared 141 00:08:24,265 --> 00:08:26,931 to the house in that neighborhood, which is 142 00:08:26,931 --> 00:08:29,598 from the 1880s. So, this 143 00:08:29,598 --> 00:08:32,334 is during the pre-war, post-war, 144 00:08:32,334 --> 00:08:35,847 World War II era. Well, I think it 145 00:08:35,847 --> 00:08:38,136 was an addition. And as you can see, 146 00:08:38,136 --> 00:08:42,664 there are large old cracks all over the place 147 00:08:42,664 --> 00:08:45,082 , so we don't want to lose the 148 00:08:45,082 --> 00:08:47,313 garage and we don't want you to have to 149 00:08:47,313 --> 00:08:49,545 spend a lot of money on this 150 00:08:49,545 --> 00:08:55,189 garage. Everything is going to be ridiculously 151 00:08:55,189 --> 00:08:58,459 expensive, so that's something we're asking for: 152 00:08:58,459 --> 00:09:03,083 an exemption to use an 153 00:09:03,083 --> 00:09:05,313 insulated metal door instead of ordering 154 00:09:05,313 --> 00:09:15,240 a wooden door. 155 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,941 If you want to go back to the inspection, 156 00:09:16,941 --> 00:09:19,515 Kate, go down a little. It should show the 157 00:09:19,515 --> 00:09:21,780 easement on the back. 158 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:22,653 It should show the 159 00:09:22,653 --> 00:09:24,157 limited easement. It's quite close to where 160 00:09:24,157 --> 00:09:25,945 the garage is. And there's 161 00:09:25,945 --> 00:09:28,950 quite a steep slope going up. 162 00:09:28,950 --> 00:09:31,074 Therefore, we want to try to avoid that 163 00:09:31,074 --> 00:09:33,404 . Does 164 00:09:33,404 --> 00:09:34,944 the easement run down the side or 165 00:09:34,944 --> 00:09:36,771 is it at the back? It runs right along 166 00:09:36,771 --> 00:09:39,854 the back of the building. If 167 00:09:39,854 --> 00:09:40,966 you look at some of the photographs, 168 00:09:40,966 --> 00:09:42,204 you can see that the power lines 169 00:09:42,204 --> 00:09:43,475 run down the back of the 170 00:09:43,475 --> 00:09:45,597 property line there. 171 00:09:45,597 --> 00:09:46,952 This...? Excuse me, is the easement 172 00:09:46,952 --> 00:09:47,903 indicated in...? 173 00:09:47,903 --> 00:09:49,059 Yes, we have power lines 174 00:09:49,059 --> 00:09:51,063 crossing the bottom. You can look at the 175 00:09:51,063 --> 00:09:54,380 right side of the inspection and then, 176 00:09:54,380 --> 00:09:54,759 okay. 177 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:56,603 Towards the bottom, where they 178 00:09:56,603 --> 00:10:03,148 pass. And because it's a very 179 00:10:03,148 --> 00:10:05,212 steep slope, you know, you want to excavate 180 00:10:05,212 --> 00:10:07,012 a platform so the equipment can 181 00:10:07,012 --> 00:10:11,680 work properly and then... 182 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:13,122 But you know, there's no way to get in 183 00:10:13,122 --> 00:10:14,641 there and work efficiently with 184 00:10:14,641 --> 00:10:18,900 larger equipment. 185 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:26,159 Let's go back to...Here we go. Okay. 186 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:28,003 since this is a 187 00:10:28,003 --> 00:10:30,014 public hearing, I need to ask if there is 188 00:10:30,014 --> 00:10:32,250 anyone here who would like to speak in favor 189 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:36,435 of this project. I haven't heard or seen 190 00:10:36,435 --> 00:10:38,102 anyone, is there anyone here who wants to 191 00:10:38,102 --> 00:10:40,129 speak out against this project? Let him show 192 00:10:40,129 --> 00:10:42,931 up. I haven't heard or seen 193 00:10:42,931 --> 00:10:46,759 anyone. I request that the 194 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:48,456 public hearing be closed. 195 00:10:48,456 --> 00:10:49,556 Audience comments. 196 00:10:49,556 --> 00:10:50,564 Excuse me, the public hearing is now closed 197 00:10:50,564 --> 00:10:53,439 . Board comments, 198 00:10:53,439 --> 00:10:59,079 questions about this project? 199 00:10:59,079 --> 00:11:01,751 One question I have is: what type 200 00:11:01,751 --> 00:11:04,354 of material do you plan to use to repair 201 00:11:04,354 --> 00:11:07,440 the stucco? Do you plan to repair it with the 202 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,539 same cementitious base? 203 00:11:09,539 --> 00:11:11,127 Well, the stucco there has a 204 00:11:11,127 --> 00:11:12,634 much higher cement content than 205 00:11:12,634 --> 00:11:14,340 what we can buy on the market. 206 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:16,024 We're going to use it. It provides 207 00:11:16,024 --> 00:11:18,674 much better waterproofing. One of the 208 00:11:18,674 --> 00:11:20,346 little tricks that 209 00:11:20,346 --> 00:11:22,331 old historical bricks have is that they 210 00:11:22,331 --> 00:11:24,420 usually have a high lime content and 211 00:11:24,420 --> 00:11:26,144 all their mortars because it gives them 212 00:11:26,144 --> 00:11:28,248 impermeability. And the mortar 213 00:11:28,248 --> 00:11:29,834 you buy now at S&M is a bit 214 00:11:29,834 --> 00:11:31,291 lower than that and tends to cut the 215 00:11:31,291 --> 00:11:33,939 brick anyway. So 216 00:11:33,939 --> 00:11:35,581 when you make stucco with this, you would use 217 00:11:35,581 --> 00:11:37,139 the higher lime content because 218 00:11:37,139 --> 00:11:39,148 you want a more waterproof one. And it will be 219 00:11:39,148 --> 00:11:41,060 sprayed to obtain the same stucco. 220 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:43,600 Okay, we'll keep the same texture. 221 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,367 Yes, we want to maintain exactly the 222 00:11:45,367 --> 00:11:47,134 same texture and it will be painted the same 223 00:11:47,134 --> 00:11:49,840 color as it is now. 224 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:56,500 That was my main concern. 225 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:58,723 My only comment about the slope 226 00:11:58,723 --> 00:12:01,439 . You feel that this small swelling 227 00:12:01,439 --> 00:12:03,168 right against the building is enough, 228 00:12:03,168 --> 00:12:04,765 or things should probably be 229 00:12:04,765 --> 00:12:05,620 moved. 230 00:12:05,620 --> 00:12:07,136 Well, what we're going to do is put 231 00:12:07,136 --> 00:12:08,775 some large green tiles behind 232 00:12:08,775 --> 00:12:10,209 the back when we create the 233 00:12:10,209 --> 00:12:11,725 slope, and some stone beds 234 00:12:11,725 --> 00:12:13,365 so we can drain the water and let it 235 00:12:13,365 --> 00:12:14,840 drain naturally towards the 236 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,900 entrance area. 237 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:19,655 Yes, I hate to see all the work done and then 238 00:12:19,655 --> 00:12:21,981 the problem repeats itself. 239 00:12:21,981 --> 00:12:24,225 In 3 more years, yes. Are 240 00:12:24,225 --> 00:12:26,265 you going to put a bookshelf back there 241 00:12:26,265 --> 00:12:26,418 ? 242 00:12:26,418 --> 00:12:27,475 Yes, we'll put a bookshelf back there 243 00:12:27,475 --> 00:12:27,793 . 244 00:12:27,793 --> 00:12:31,480 You will make a bookshelf to work on. 245 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:32,848 Okay, it will be 3 or 4 feet 246 00:12:32,848 --> 00:12:34,536 deep and then we'll dig 247 00:12:34,536 --> 00:12:36,315 deeper and put in some larger stones 248 00:12:36,315 --> 00:12:38,699 for drainage. It 249 00:12:38,699 --> 00:12:40,055 will also work with the garden. They 250 00:12:40,055 --> 00:12:41,779 have a garden back there. 251 00:12:41,779 --> 00:12:43,480 Okay, so you'll divert it. You'll 252 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,420 divert it around. 253 00:12:44,420 --> 00:12:45,360 Okay. 254 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,728 And you will move it away from the structure. It will be 255 00:12:48,728 --> 00:12:50,223 a complete excavation of that 256 00:12:50,223 --> 00:12:51,299 back wall, right? 257 00:12:51,299 --> 00:12:52,798 Yes, we will have to get down to the 258 00:12:52,798 --> 00:12:54,298 foundations and verify that they are not 259 00:12:54,298 --> 00:12:55,629 compromised or faulty. 260 00:12:55,629 --> 00:12:56,089 Yes, okay. 261 00:12:56,089 --> 00:12:58,160 And then repair it if necessary. 262 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,150 Okay. There's a 263 00:12:59,150 --> 00:13:00,818 lot I can't see. I don't know from the 264 00:13:00,818 --> 00:13:02,622 inside with 3 feet of snow and dirt 265 00:13:02,622 --> 00:13:05,640 against it, so. 266 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,807 Okay. Any comments about the 267 00:13:07,807 --> 00:13:13,235 door? 268 00:13:13,235 --> 00:13:14,703 It is partially hidden from the 269 00:13:14,703 --> 00:13:15,055 street. 270 00:13:15,055 --> 00:13:15,579 Yes. 271 00:13:15,579 --> 00:13:18,877 Um, it's visible, but not directly on 272 00:13:18,877 --> 00:13:20,200 the street. 273 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Mhm. Well, 274 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,588 yes, there is an elevation change of 275 00:13:24,588 --> 00:13:25,884 about 9 feet from the street side 276 00:13:25,884 --> 00:13:27,387 to where the garage is. 277 00:13:27,387 --> 00:13:29,059 Therefore, it's really difficult to see anything 278 00:13:29,059 --> 00:13:30,775 other than the crest of the garage from the 279 00:13:30,775 --> 00:13:31,479 street. 280 00:13:31,479 --> 00:13:33,421 Correct. So, we have a 281 00:13:33,421 --> 00:13:35,120 raised panel. 282 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,914 Okay, let's try to imitate the door 283 00:13:36,914 --> 00:13:38,040 . 284 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,066 The existing one is flat. 285 00:13:39,066 --> 00:13:41,740 Is the existing one a flat panel? 286 00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:45,200 It looks like a flat panel. Yes. 287 00:13:45,420 --> 00:13:46,307 Can they go to 288 00:13:46,307 --> 00:13:47,519 the image of the existing one 289 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:49,560 towards the end? 290 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:51,259 Yes, there's the proposal with the 291 00:13:51,259 --> 00:13:52,460 raised panel. 292 00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:53,159 And then, 293 00:13:53,159 --> 00:13:55,190 if we look at the existing one, it's a 294 00:13:55,190 --> 00:13:58,728 flat panel. Did they explore the possibility of 295 00:13:58,728 --> 00:14:00,340 looking at a flatter panel in the...? 296 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:03,164 Unfortunately, all they have are 297 00:14:03,206 --> 00:14:11,624 raised panel designs. These days everyone 298 00:14:11,624 --> 00:14:14,779 wants more elegant things, so 299 00:14:14,779 --> 00:14:17,375 yes, but now we're, you know, 300 00:14:17,375 --> 00:14:20,342 changing the material and that, and also 301 00:14:20,342 --> 00:14:25,280 changing the design, or what the 302 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,221 board of directors thinks about it. Does anyone 303 00:14:28,221 --> 00:14:29,042 want to comment on this 304 00:14:29,042 --> 00:14:32,231 ? If we can get a 305 00:14:32,231 --> 00:14:34,380 flat panel, I don't know if it's possible. 306 00:14:34,380 --> 00:14:37,359 Yes, I don't know if we can get one. 307 00:14:37,359 --> 00:14:39,092 I will ask them beforehand to order the 308 00:14:39,092 --> 00:14:42,060 flat panel instead of the raised panel. 309 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:44,120 And it's a big change in character. 310 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:44,800 Yes. 311 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,180 I'm 312 00:14:49,180 --> 00:14:51,209 trying to see if the aluminum door 313 00:14:51,209 --> 00:14:52,984 itself doesn't have wood grain, 314 00:14:52,984 --> 00:14:56,939 right? It's just flat steel. 315 00:14:56,939 --> 00:14:57,884 But we can make the 316 00:14:57,884 --> 00:14:58,999 wood grain a part of it. I 317 00:14:58,999 --> 00:15:00,453 'm not asking, I don't think we want to 318 00:15:00,453 --> 00:15:00,959 . I 319 00:15:00,959 --> 00:15:02,386 'm not asking for that. I'm just making 320 00:15:02,386 --> 00:15:03,984 sure it's not there. 321 00:15:03,984 --> 00:15:04,563 Without wood grain. 322 00:15:04,563 --> 00:15:05,100 Okay. 323 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:07,760 Without wood grain. Yes. 324 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,407 Well, we're trying to meet 325 00:15:09,407 --> 00:15:11,055 the board's expectations, so 326 00:15:11,055 --> 00:15:12,616 ... Well, we don't want to counterfeit the 327 00:15:12,616 --> 00:15:14,957 product, do we? Therefore, 328 00:15:14,957 --> 00:15:16,904 engraving wood grain on an 329 00:15:16,904 --> 00:15:18,646 aluminum panel is counterfeiting it from the 330 00:15:18,646 --> 00:15:20,490 board's perspective in terms of 331 00:15:20,490 --> 00:15:22,100 historical standards. 332 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:23,347 That's not what my wife thinks about 333 00:15:23,347 --> 00:15:25,580 our garage door. 334 00:15:25,580 --> 00:15:27,609 So, if it's a smooth panel or 335 00:15:27,609 --> 00:15:30,083 smooth metallic aluminum, if it's possible 336 00:15:30,083 --> 00:15:32,366 for us to put a flat panel on it, 337 00:15:32,366 --> 00:15:35,202 I think that would be my request. And if 338 00:15:35,202 --> 00:15:36,209 the board agrees with that. 339 00:15:36,209 --> 00:15:37,900 Clear. Yes. 340 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:39,166 Well, I'll check with the manufacturer to see if they 341 00:15:39,166 --> 00:15:41,231 make smooth panels. Will you 342 00:15:41,231 --> 00:15:41,423 say that again? 343 00:15:41,423 --> 00:15:42,739 I will check with the manufacturer to see if they make 344 00:15:42,739 --> 00:15:44,500 a door with a smooth panel. 345 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:47,258 Yes, smooth, smooth, flat panel, not without 346 00:15:47,258 --> 00:15:51,464 relief, with a smooth finish. Any 347 00:15:51,464 --> 00:15:54,380 other comments? We need to consider 348 00:15:54,380 --> 00:15:56,312 whether to approve, disapprove, or approve with 349 00:15:56,312 --> 00:15:57,264 conditions. Are 350 00:15:57,264 --> 00:15:59,736 you going to do anything about the roof? I didn't see 351 00:15:59,736 --> 00:16:00,139 any. 352 00:16:00,139 --> 00:16:01,602 No, luckily the roof is in 353 00:16:01,602 --> 00:16:03,332 pretty good condition, and that's why 354 00:16:03,332 --> 00:16:04,972 we want to shore it up and do all the 355 00:16:04,972 --> 00:16:06,746 work we can before 356 00:16:06,746 --> 00:16:08,520 winter arrives and snow loads start to build up 357 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,250 when we try to support it with 358 00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:14,400 temporary shoring and supports. 359 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:20,059 Okay. 360 00:16:20,059 --> 00:16:21,955 Roof, soffit, all that 361 00:16:21,955 --> 00:16:27,288 existing work remains. And the front wall 362 00:16:27,288 --> 00:16:29,639 is rebuilt exactly as it was. 363 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:31,282 The front wall will be rebuilt exactly as is, 364 00:16:31,282 --> 00:16:32,840 with wider molding panels that 365 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,441 match the 366 00:16:34,441 --> 00:16:35,475 surrounding molding. 367 00:16:35,475 --> 00:16:36,635 Is the size of the door panel the 368 00:16:36,635 --> 00:16:37,575 same as the size of the 369 00:16:37,575 --> 00:16:38,115 existing openings? The 370 00:16:38,115 --> 00:16:39,077 same as the 371 00:16:39,077 --> 00:16:40,938 existing openings, yes. Right now they are a 372 00:16:40,938 --> 00:16:43,757 9 x 7 foot door. So, it's either that one or 373 00:16:43,757 --> 00:16:45,490 8 x 7. It's one of the two 374 00:16:45,490 --> 00:16:48,520 standard sizes. 375 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,099 That door looks about 30 years old. 376 00:16:53,099 --> 00:16:55,124 So, it's not actually that old, 377 00:16:55,124 --> 00:16:57,097 but it's very deteriorated. Would there be 378 00:16:57,097 --> 00:17:04,039 any document? 379 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:06,522 This is a later neighborhood designation 380 00:17:06,522 --> 00:17:07,738 . I don't know 381 00:17:07,738 --> 00:17:09,923 . Is the only documentation we 382 00:17:09,923 --> 00:17:10,891 have 383 00:17:10,891 --> 00:17:11,909 from 2017? 384 00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:12,660 Yes. 385 00:17:12,660 --> 00:17:13,960 When the district was like that 386 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,976 , in the early 387 00:17:15,976 --> 00:17:17,569 2000s. The photos would be from the 388 00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:20,025 early 2000s, I think. 389 00:17:20,025 --> 00:17:22,745 And that would include that or...Okay, I just 390 00:17:22,745 --> 00:17:24,380 want... 391 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:26,214 Yes, and in fact I think the only 392 00:17:26,214 --> 00:17:28,197 images we have are of the house 393 00:17:28,197 --> 00:17:30,130 itself and not of the secondary structures 394 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:31,200 . 395 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,581 So, are we really that worried if it's 396 00:17:32,581 --> 00:17:36,018 a 30-year-old door? I 397 00:17:36,018 --> 00:17:37,699 mean, does it look like 398 00:17:37,699 --> 00:17:38,920 a 30-year-old door? 399 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,702 To me it looks like the door of a house where I 400 00:17:40,702 --> 00:17:42,917 grew up. The house was built around 401 00:17:42,917 --> 00:17:45,008 the same time I was born. So yes 402 00:17:45,108 --> 00:17:47,050 , okay. 403 00:17:47,050 --> 00:17:51,940 You know, this one looks...Yeah, this one looks like 404 00:17:51,940 --> 00:17:53,079 Newark. 405 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:56,381 Okay. OK. If there are any further questions 406 00:17:56,381 --> 00:17:57,902 , may I put a motion on the 407 00:17:57,902 --> 00:17:59,560 table, please? I 408 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,798 move to approve the 409 00:18:00,798 --> 00:18:03,219 application as submitted. I 410 00:18:03,219 --> 00:18:04,882 second that. 411 00:18:04,882 --> 00:18:06,519 Any comments or additions on 412 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:10,340 this? OK. We have a 413 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:12,720 motion on the table. Is everyone in favor? 414 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,592 Yes. 415 00:18:13,592 --> 00:18:16,359 Against? The motion is approved. 416 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,555 Thank you so much, guys. Good luck with the 417 00:18:18,555 --> 00:18:25,320 project. 418 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:26,880 Thank you. We don't want that to happen. 419 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:31,080 Thank you so much. 420 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,411 Okay, I think it's my turn again. It's 421 00:18:34,411 --> 00:18:35,509 garage day. 422 00:18:35,509 --> 00:18:38,464 So yes, it's garage day. The 423 00:18:38,464 --> 00:18:42,124 next request is CA-26-20. 424 00:18:42,124 --> 00:18:44,334 Again, a certificate of suitability for 425 00:18:44,334 --> 00:18:47,679 301 Highland Avenue. It is also a 426 00:18:47,679 --> 00:18:50,398 garage door replacement. Well, 427 00:18:50,398 --> 00:18:53,908 it's a garage door replacement. The 428 00:18:53,908 --> 00:18:55,607 district is the 429 00:18:55,607 --> 00:18:58,123 Sedgwick Highland Preservation District and the 430 00:18:58,123 --> 00:19:00,387 owner is here to talk 431 00:19:00,387 --> 00:19:03,700 about his project. 432 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:06,533 Good morning. My name is Dan Stevens 433 00:19:06,533 --> 00:19:08,542 and I am one of the 434 00:19:08,542 --> 00:19:09,860 property owners. 435 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:11,042 Welcome. 436 00:19:11,042 --> 00:19:14,098 Thank you. 437 00:19:14,098 --> 00:19:15,730 So, if you could 438 00:19:15,730 --> 00:19:17,467 quickly describe what your 439 00:19:17,467 --> 00:19:19,520 project is about and the reasons why at this time 440 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,400 ... 441 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:26,519 Sure. As you can see, the garage is 442 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:31,784 separate from the residence. The garage 443 00:19:31,784 --> 00:19:35,929 itself is on Oak Street. I think it's roughly 444 00:19:35,929 --> 00:19:38,182 the sixth block of Oak 445 00:19:38,182 --> 00:19:42,170 Street. And the garage, I think the 446 00:19:42,170 --> 00:19:46,151 residence was built in 1901. I think 447 00:19:46,151 --> 00:19:49,825 the garage is about 20 years 448 00:19:49,825 --> 00:19:54,315 younger, but almost from the same period. In 449 00:19:54,315 --> 00:19:56,728 fact, there is one...you can't see it very 450 00:19:56,728 --> 00:19:59,141 well in the photograph, but there is a 451 00:19:59,141 --> 00:20:01,750 fireplace on the back wall inside the 452 00:20:01,750 --> 00:20:04,033 garage, which I believe was used to 453 00:20:04,033 --> 00:20:06,250 keep the vehicles warm 454 00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:08,533 while they were stored over the 455 00:20:08,533 --> 00:20:11,038 winter. So it's no longer in 456 00:20:11,038 --> 00:20:13,746 operation. It's just a kind of 457 00:20:13,746 --> 00:20:18,020 picturesque architectural relic. 458 00:20:18,020 --> 00:20:21,400 The doors have been in the snow and 459 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,592 ice for a century and over time 460 00:20:26,592 --> 00:20:29,223 that has caused the 461 00:20:29,223 --> 00:20:32,013 lower door panels to 462 00:20:32,013 --> 00:20:35,122 gradually deteriorate despite 463 00:20:35,122 --> 00:20:43,200 painting and some restoration. 464 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,149 Finally, the door, the 465 00:20:47,149 --> 00:20:57,111 right-hand door, had... There was a 466 00:20:57,111 --> 00:21:00,407 metal plate that was embedded in a 467 00:21:00,407 --> 00:21:03,456 wooden panel at the bottom of the 468 00:21:03,456 --> 00:21:06,588 door, and the chain and pulley system 469 00:21:06,588 --> 00:21:13,396 that raised the door was connected 470 00:21:13,396 --> 00:21:15,985 to that plate. The plaque, due to the 471 00:21:15,985 --> 00:21:18,547 deterioration of the surrounding wood, 472 00:21:18,547 --> 00:21:23,459 simply separated from the wood. 473 00:21:23,459 --> 00:21:26,795 Now there's a hole in the door. And 474 00:21:26,795 --> 00:21:29,673 I called three different 475 00:21:29,673 --> 00:21:32,317 door restoration companies to 476 00:21:32,317 --> 00:21:36,825 come and look at it. The three of them told me 477 00:21:36,825 --> 00:21:41,717 that it couldn't be repaired again. And they 478 00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:46,069 all recommended replacing the door 479 00:21:46,069 --> 00:21:49,986 with composite steel, which is the most 480 00:21:49,986 --> 00:21:54,230 modern thing in 2026, as far as I understand 481 00:21:54,230 --> 00:22:02,359 . To be able to do so, for two reasons. I 482 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,562 have decided to request the repair of 483 00:22:04,562 --> 00:22:06,656 both doors, even though the 484 00:22:06,656 --> 00:22:11,954 left door still works. It's within 485 00:22:11,954 --> 00:22:15,100 the same timeframe. Over time, it will also 486 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,822 fail for the same reasons of 487 00:22:17,822 --> 00:22:20,567 snow and ice. And I want them to look the 488 00:22:20,567 --> 00:22:22,616 same. I don't want one to turn 489 00:22:22,616 --> 00:22:25,760 one way and the other another. 490 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,698 Additionally, the garage doors 491 00:22:30,698 --> 00:22:33,546 cannot be locked at this time 492 00:22:33,546 --> 00:22:44,676 . And if someone enters the garage... 493 00:22:44,676 --> 00:22:47,147 Both cars that were stored 494 00:22:47,147 --> 00:22:51,175 there were broken into last year. That's why 495 00:22:51,175 --> 00:22:53,856 I'm interested in ensuring that, as part of 496 00:22:53,856 --> 00:22:56,537 this project, we can also close 497 00:22:56,537 --> 00:22:59,081 the door so that no one but me 498 00:22:59,081 --> 00:23:05,503 can enter. I'll be happy to 499 00:23:05,503 --> 00:23:08,100 answer any questions. 500 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:11,564 Thank you. Well, this is a 501 00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:13,063 public hearing, so I need to ask 502 00:23:13,063 --> 00:23:14,522 if there is anyone here in the audience 503 00:23:14,522 --> 00:23:15,863 who would like to speak in favor of this 504 00:23:15,863 --> 00:23:20,005 project. Nobody here. Does anyone want to 505 00:23:20,005 --> 00:23:22,419 speak out against this project? 506 00:23:22,419 --> 00:23:25,065 Nobody here. Then we can close 507 00:23:25,065 --> 00:23:30,243 the public comment. Board, any 508 00:23:30,243 --> 00:23:32,361 questions for the applicant? Any 509 00:23:32,361 --> 00:23:37,700 comments? May I 510 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:40,260 speak for just a second? It 511 00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:41,839 's on the table. 512 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:46,009 In fact, I can give you this. This is a 513 00:23:46,009 --> 00:23:53,959 little more information about the... 514 00:23:53,959 --> 00:24:00,395 Thank you. 515 00:24:00,395 --> 00:24:02,407 So they're cut off. That, uh, uh, 516 00:24:02,407 --> 00:24:05,901 Mr. Stevens and I had 517 00:24:05,901 --> 00:24:08,843 also talked about all the different 518 00:24:08,843 --> 00:24:12,429 window arrangements, and, uh, this 519 00:24:12,429 --> 00:24:15,739 was the window arrangement he 520 00:24:15,739 --> 00:24:19,141 included in his application, uh, and, uh, there are 521 00:24:19,141 --> 00:24:22,635 also simpler ones 522 00:24:22,635 --> 00:24:26,313 available; But we had, 523 00:24:26,313 --> 00:24:30,146 uh, as you can see, uh, they are some that 524 00:24:30,146 --> 00:24:32,274 perhaps look a little more like what we have 525 00:24:32,274 --> 00:24:33,179 now. 526 00:24:33,179 --> 00:24:37,545 Yes. Did 527 00:24:37,545 --> 00:24:41,219 you consider making two 528 00:24:41,219 --> 00:24:43,413 window panels that replicate what's there 529 00:24:43,413 --> 00:24:49,280 now? Did you consider that option? 530 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,591 I wanted to discourage people from looking out of 531 00:24:52,591 --> 00:24:56,136 the windows. There's really no 532 00:24:56,136 --> 00:24:58,779 point in having windows. The cars 533 00:24:58,779 --> 00:25:03,359 live there. They don't look out the window. 534 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,215 That is an existing window. You can 535 00:25:05,215 --> 00:25:07,807 see that he is, uh, I guess at my 536 00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:10,233 height. Then, someone on the street 537 00:25:10,233 --> 00:25:12,542 can come in and look and see what's 538 00:25:12,542 --> 00:25:19,820 there. The higher windows seem to 539 00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:22,471 discourage that, and people just 540 00:25:22,471 --> 00:25:25,418 walk right past, which is what I want them to 541 00:25:25,418 --> 00:25:26,780 do. 542 00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:28,220 So, I had the same question, 543 00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:29,580 but I was wondering, and I understand the 544 00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:31,020 concern about security, of 545 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:34,196 course. But would they be open to 546 00:25:34,196 --> 00:25:36,029 adding lower-level windows and 547 00:25:36,029 --> 00:25:37,861 putting a privacy film on 548 00:25:37,861 --> 00:25:40,194 both? Therefore, you would still 549 00:25:40,194 --> 00:25:41,857 maintain the overall appearance and 550 00:25:41,857 --> 00:25:43,612 proportion of the glazing, but 551 00:25:43,612 --> 00:25:45,983 no one would be able to see inside. 552 00:25:45,983 --> 00:25:46,979 Therefore, the privacy film would 553 00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:48,120 also add an extra layer 554 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:52,160 of durability against the possibility of 555 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,921 people breaking the glass or something 556 00:25:53,921 --> 00:25:56,203 like that. Therefore, it wouldn't be the same as 557 00:25:56,203 --> 00:25:57,884 the steel panel, but you would retain 558 00:25:57,884 --> 00:25:59,609 the look, the overall proportion of the 559 00:25:59,609 --> 00:26:01,201 glazing, and prevent 560 00:26:01,201 --> 00:26:02,837 people from seeing inside for a 561 00:26:02,837 --> 00:26:06,980 minimal additional cost. 562 00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:18,171 Yes, I'm open to that, definitely. In 563 00:26:18,171 --> 00:26:21,200 the last 5 years, there have been two 564 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,397 incidents where people came and 565 00:26:24,397 --> 00:26:28,479 broke the windows of two cars. 566 00:26:28,479 --> 00:26:35,200 Yes. I thought this provision was 567 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,377 more likely to discourage that. That's why I 568 00:26:39,377 --> 00:26:42,847 prefer it, but it's not the hill where I 569 00:26:42,847 --> 00:26:47,020 want to die. 570 00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:48,978 Well, what we're talking about in 571 00:26:48,978 --> 00:26:50,990 this case is maintaining the 572 00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:52,669 visual character of the garage. 573 00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:53,268 Yes. That's why 574 00:26:53,268 --> 00:26:54,954 having the double row of lights 575 00:26:54,954 --> 00:26:56,572 was always there. It let the 576 00:26:56,572 --> 00:26:58,499 light in. You can, you know, there are other 577 00:26:58,499 --> 00:27:00,732 windows in the garage, but it presents 578 00:27:00,732 --> 00:27:02,844 a more street-friendly facade 579 00:27:02,844 --> 00:27:05,017 and your garage is a couple of 580 00:27:05,017 --> 00:27:08,833 feet from the sidewalk. It is very pronounced. And 581 00:27:08,833 --> 00:27:11,213 I'd like you to include a picture of 582 00:27:11,213 --> 00:27:13,533 the house with the garage too, because it's 583 00:27:13,533 --> 00:27:15,955 a striking combination, I think. The 584 00:27:15,955 --> 00:27:20,086 house. The house is great. But just to 585 00:27:20,086 --> 00:27:22,737 show the character that was included, 586 00:27:22,737 --> 00:27:25,179 even though the garage is 20 years 587 00:27:25,179 --> 00:27:26,853 younger, I think it 588 00:27:26,853 --> 00:27:29,505 charismatically connects the house and you're on 589 00:27:29,505 --> 00:27:32,774 the edge of the district. And so, for 590 00:27:32,774 --> 00:27:34,506 me, it's very important to maintain those 591 00:27:34,506 --> 00:27:36,285 characteristics even though we're on the edge 592 00:27:36,285 --> 00:27:38,064 because once we start to lose 593 00:27:38,064 --> 00:27:39,796 that pedestrian scale or that 594 00:27:39,796 --> 00:27:41,621 fenestration pattern, we start to degrade the 595 00:27:41,621 --> 00:27:44,781 edge of the district's edge. You don't know what 596 00:27:44,781 --> 00:27:45,867 I mean. Do you understand what I'm 597 00:27:45,867 --> 00:27:46,159 saying? 598 00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:50,186 Well, this is true. I suppose if 599 00:27:50,186 --> 00:27:53,083 you think of the Sedgwick district as if it 600 00:27:53,083 --> 00:27:55,907 were the Monopoly board, this 601 00:27:55,907 --> 00:28:00,639 is Baltic Avenue. And it really is. 602 00:28:00,639 --> 00:28:03,044 It's just around the corner from 603 00:28:03,044 --> 00:28:05,724 Highland Ave. It's on your way to 604 00:28:05,724 --> 00:28:08,948 Oak Street. So, it's not the area we 605 00:28:08,948 --> 00:28:12,109 're looking at, it's not what people 606 00:28:12,109 --> 00:28:15,270 think of as the classic 607 00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:19,361 Sedgwick district. Across the street, across 608 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,094 Oak Street, there is a 217 Highland 609 00:28:24,094 --> 00:28:29,356 Avenue. It's empty and has been 610 00:28:29,356 --> 00:28:32,014 for almost 10 years. 611 00:28:32,014 --> 00:28:33,113 Yes. 612 00:28:33,113 --> 00:28:36,387 Anyway, nobody is looking at that 613 00:28:36,387 --> 00:28:42,026 property. The house adjacent to 217 614 00:28:42,026 --> 00:28:45,212 Highland Avenue, 215 Highland Avenue 615 00:28:45,212 --> 00:28:50,983 , is also unoccupied. Nobody lives 616 00:28:50,983 --> 00:28:57,339 there either. It's been empty for a while. 617 00:28:57,339 --> 00:29:01,169 If you continue down Highland Avenue or 618 00:29:01,169 --> 00:29:05,025 Oak Street, sorry. The next 619 00:29:05,025 --> 00:29:09,262 building is another garage. And next door is what 620 00:29:09,262 --> 00:29:15,131 used to be a 621 00:29:15,131 --> 00:29:17,024 photography shop. 622 00:29:17,024 --> 00:29:20,420 That's closed too. So, there's 623 00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:22,513 not much there. It's not Old 624 00:29:22,513 --> 00:29:24,935 Sturbridge Village. Nobody comes to 625 00:29:24,935 --> 00:29:27,871 walk around and look at these properties. It's 626 00:29:27,871 --> 00:29:30,233 just a building where 627 00:29:30,233 --> 00:29:33,005 cars live. And I'm trying to keep 628 00:29:33,005 --> 00:29:34,740 the cars protected. 629 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:38,030 Understood. But are you open to a 630 00:29:38,030 --> 00:29:40,311 film that, as Cal mentioned, 631 00:29:40,311 --> 00:29:42,918 would be a privacy film for 632 00:29:42,918 --> 00:29:43,700 that? 633 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:45,800 Yes, I am. 634 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,788 Okay, I think that's a 635 00:29:46,788 --> 00:29:47,745 really good comment, a 636 00:29:47,745 --> 00:29:51,377 really good solution. Any other 637 00:29:51,377 --> 00:29:52,685 board members who would like to 638 00:29:52,685 --> 00:29:56,712 comment? And then we have to 639 00:29:56,712 --> 00:30:04,450 draft a motion here. And then 640 00:30:04,450 --> 00:30:06,088 do we make single-row windows that are 641 00:30:06,088 --> 00:30:07,381 simplified, more like the 642 00:30:07,381 --> 00:30:08,731 Stockbridge model? 643 00:30:08,731 --> 00:30:10,446 Yes, I guess I don't know. I 644 00:30:10,446 --> 00:30:12,199 agree with a row of windows. 645 00:30:12,199 --> 00:30:15,540 I would prefer the Stockbridge model. 646 00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:17,183 I appreciate the additional set of 647 00:30:17,183 --> 00:30:19,351 vertical lines on the doors. You 648 00:30:19,351 --> 00:30:21,194 know, it's not just the standard. 649 00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:22,267 Yes, the appearance of the large blackboard is 650 00:30:22,267 --> 00:30:22,539 ... 651 00:30:22,539 --> 00:30:24,999 Yes, complementary to what's there. It's 652 00:30:24,999 --> 00:30:26,300 a good catch. 653 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:32,103 Yes. 654 00:30:32,103 --> 00:30:33,326 No further comments? 655 00:30:33,326 --> 00:30:34,699 Was that a motion or...? 656 00:30:34,699 --> 00:30:37,331 No, any other comments? 657 00:30:37,331 --> 00:30:38,141 May I make 658 00:30:38,141 --> 00:30:39,914 any further comments? Go ahead, but 659 00:30:39,914 --> 00:30:41,559 if there is a motion, please 660 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,319 introduce it. 661 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:46,405 I propose approving the project as 662 00:30:46,405 --> 00:30:48,326 presented, with a change from 663 00:30:48,326 --> 00:30:50,083 Prairie windows to 664 00:30:50,083 --> 00:30:52,115 Stockbridge windows for the top row of windows 665 00:30:52,115 --> 00:30:57,080 . 666 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,501 Okay, we have a motion. Do we have 667 00:30:59,501 --> 00:31:06,100 someone to support her? 668 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:07,073 I suppose I'd like to see the 669 00:31:07,073 --> 00:31:08,840 small additional glazing. 670 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,475 Okay, we could... We can... 671 00:31:11,475 --> 00:31:14,400 amend that. 672 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,179 Yes. 673 00:31:15,179 --> 00:31:16,860 Okay. 674 00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:18,349 Or if there is no one to second it, 675 00:31:18,349 --> 00:31:20,688 then that motion fails. And 676 00:31:20,688 --> 00:31:22,203 then a new 677 00:31:22,203 --> 00:31:23,940 motion can be made. OK. 678 00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:26,573 If we don't have anyone to 679 00:31:26,573 --> 00:31:29,626 second it, that motion will fail. 680 00:31:29,626 --> 00:31:31,653 OK. Please, let's put a new 681 00:31:31,653 --> 00:31:34,420 motion on the table. 682 00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:36,097 I propose accepting the request as 683 00:31:36,097 --> 00:31:37,731 presented, with the modification that 684 00:31:37,731 --> 00:31:39,236 we keep the windows in the 685 00:31:39,236 --> 00:31:40,827 second row, but with the 686 00:31:40,827 --> 00:31:47,342 vertical mullions. And a 687 00:31:47,342 --> 00:31:50,511 privacy film to discourage people from 688 00:31:50,511 --> 00:31:51,832 looking. Do 689 00:31:51,832 --> 00:31:53,589 we have anyone who supports that motion 690 00:31:53,589 --> 00:31:55,779 that's on the table? 691 00:31:55,779 --> 00:31:56,560 Support. 692 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,297 Any discussion or 693 00:31:58,297 --> 00:32:03,045 modifications regarding this? No one is 694 00:32:03,045 --> 00:32:09,233 in favor of the motion. 695 00:32:09,233 --> 00:32:10,303 I. 696 00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:13,600 Against? The motion is approved. 697 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,481 Thank you so much. Thank you. 698 00:32:15,481 --> 00:32:17,609 Any questions? They can 699 00:32:17,609 --> 00:32:24,740 contact Kate. It's very simple. 700 00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:30,245 If you have any questions, 701 00:32:30,245 --> 00:32:30,585 that's fine. Okay 702 00:32:30,585 --> 00:32:32,696 , thank you very much. Thank you so much. 703 00:32:32,696 --> 00:32:33,077 Thank you. 704 00:32:33,077 --> 00:32:34,393 Great. Keep it up. 705 00:32:34,393 --> 00:32:41,469 Thank you. I have nothing more for 706 00:32:41,469 --> 00:32:46,452 you today. So, there are no new 707 00:32:46,452 --> 00:32:47,520 issues or any particular topics for discussion 708 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:55,127 at this time. Well, 709 00:32:55,127 --> 00:32:58,989 unless someone else has something. No. 710 00:32:58,989 --> 00:32:59,519 It's fine. 711 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,439 Good motion to adjourn the session. 712 00:33:02,439 --> 00:33:05,400 Support. Is everyone in favor? 713 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,960 Yes. The 714 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,379 motion is approved. 715 00:33:08,379 --> 00:33:10,180 Very good. 716 00:33:10,180 --> 00:33:11,699 job.