[3:30] Great, now we can begin. We can [3:38] start right now. Beautiful. Hello, [3:42] everyone. This is the [3:44] regularly scheduled meeting of the Syracuse [3:46] Landmarks Preservation Board, [3:48] and today is September 17, [3:50] 2026. Present at today's meeting [3:52] are [3:53] Nicole Freginato, [3:54] Kyle Gregory, [3:55] Jeff Romano, [3:57] Hillary Donahue, [3:58] Samuel Prescott, [4:00] and Kate Alwider. [4:02] Excuse me, [4:03] Howard, and [4:05] we're waiting for Pat. Yes. [4:06] Okay, thank you. Can I have a [4:09] motion to accept the minutes of [4:10] August 27th? [4:12] I will make a motion to accept the [4:13] minutes. Do [4:14] I have someone to back her up? I [4:15] second that. [4:17] Any changes or modifications to those [4:18] minutes? There is no audience. All in favor, [4:23] according to what was presented. Against? [4:26] Abstaining? The motion is approved. [4:30] Public hearings, excuse me. The [4:33] board will now conduct [4:34] public hearings on [4:35] today's agenda. First, the [4:38] applicant or the applicant's representative will be invited [4:39] to describe the scope of the [4:41] project work and submit [4:42] any materials and documentation [4:44] related to the proposal to the board [4:46] . Next, those who [4:48] wish to speak in favor of the proposal [4:50] will have the opportunity to address [4:51] the board. Then, those who [4:54] wish to speak out against it may [4:56] address the board. Finally, the [4:59] applicant or representative will have the [5:01] opportunity to make [5:02] final comments to the board. Following the [5:05] public comments, the board [5:06] may vote to approve, approve with [5:08] conditions, or deny the request that has [5:10] just been heard. The board [5:12] may also decide to uphold its decision [5:14] until the next public hearing. [5:16] If the hearing is closed, no [5:19] additional information will be allowed to be recorded in the minutes, except for that which [5:21] the board may request. That [5:23] information will be available for [5:25] public review with [5:27] board staff. Staff, submit our [5:29] first application. [5:30] That would be me. Very good. The first [5:34] application is CA-26-19. It is a [5:37] certificate of suitability for 120 [5:39] Dorset Road. It's for [5:43] garage repairs and new doors. Actually, it's [5:46] more of a [5:48] garage reconstruction and some new doors. The [5:51] property is located in the [5:53] Berkeley Park Preservation District. And [5:56] we have Tom DiTullio here to [5:58] speak on behalf of the project. [6:00] Good morning. Good morning, board of [6:01] directors. How are you today? [6:02] Brilliant. Thank you. [6:03] Okay, can I bring you something to wear when you're [6:04] introducing yourselves? [6:05] Clear. I'm Tom DiTullio. Tom Thomas J. [6:07] DiTullio Architects, 237 Woody Ave, [6:09] Syracuse, New York. [6:11] Thank you, sir. [6:11] A few of these every now and then, [6:13] so... Actually, it became, [6:15] as Kate said, more of a [6:16] rebuild than a simple [6:18] repair. Once we went inside and [6:20] started inspecting, the walls [6:21] are basically brand new walls, brand [6:23] new concrete walls, brand [6:24] new concrete block walls, which are [6:26] different from the ones the house already has. On [6:29] three sides of it. And we have [6:32] excessive deterioration and faults such as [6:35] bowing, cracks and some [6:37] excessive deterioration around both [6:41] sides. So, we're going to have to [6:44] dig around there. The only problem is [6:46] that we have a rear easement [6:47] where the power lines run through [6:49] the back of Dorset, right here [6:50] on the hill. Therefore, we cannot [6:52] reinstall electrical equipment [6:53] there or near the neighbors. Well, we'll have to do a [6:55] lot of digging by hand and use [6:56] small machinery. To keep the [6:58] cost down and prevent the poor man from [7:00] paying $100,000 for a garage, we're [7:03] trying to do everything we can. [7:05] One of the things we are considering [7:06] to save costs is the [7:08] tilting door. We thought about ordering a [7:10] wooden tilt-up door, and we can [7:12] get them, but they take between 180 [7:13] and 200 days. So waiting that [7:16] long, leaving us in winter and doing [7:18] all the concrete work [7:20] outside, would be a bit costly and [7:21] inefficient. It would probably cost [7:24] twice as much as the concrete work, [7:26] having to heat and maintain it. That's [7:29] one of the fears we have. [7:30] Apart from that, everything will go back to [7:32] exactly as it is now. I [7:34] showed her photographs with salt water, [7:36] and she has all the photographs of [7:38] what's there now. The [7:42] interior front of the garage and the [7:44] main entrance beam have failed so [7:47] drastically that the door is [7:49] rotting halfway through. Okay, I'm [7:52] going to look at the photos. Yes of [7:55] course. As you can see, we don't want [7:57] the failure to compromise the [7:59] roof system and structure. So, [8:02] with that in mind, it's a bit [8:05] difficult to find cost savings to [8:07] do something, but currently, one of [8:12] the things we can offer would be to [8:14] replace the doors with a [8:15] metal door that looks the same. And it looks like [8:18] the house, the garage, was built in the [8:21] 1930s, 1940s compared [8:24] to the house in that neighborhood, which is [8:26] from the 1880s. So, this [8:29] is during the pre-war, post-war, [8:32] World War II era. Well, I think it [8:35] was an addition. And as you can see, [8:38] there are large old cracks all over the place [8:42] , so we don't want to lose the [8:45] garage and we don't want you to have to [8:47] spend a lot of money on this [8:49] garage. Everything is going to be ridiculously [8:55] expensive, so that's something we're asking for: [8:58] an exemption to use an [9:03] insulated metal door instead of ordering [9:05] a wooden door. [9:15] If you want to go back to the inspection, [9:16] Kate, go down a little. It should show the [9:19] easement on the back. [9:21] It should show the [9:22] limited easement. It's quite close to where [9:24] the garage is. And there's [9:25] quite a steep slope going up. [9:28] Therefore, we want to try to avoid that [9:31] . Does [9:33] the easement run down the side or [9:34] is it at the back? It runs right along [9:36] the back of the building. If [9:39] you look at some of the photographs, [9:40] you can see that the power lines [9:42] run down the back of the [9:43] property line there. [9:45] This...? Excuse me, is the easement [9:46] indicated in...? [9:47] Yes, we have power lines [9:49] crossing the bottom. You can look at the [9:51] right side of the inspection and then, [9:54] okay. [9:54] Towards the bottom, where they [9:56] pass. And because it's a very [10:03] steep slope, you know, you want to excavate [10:05] a platform so the equipment can [10:07] work properly and then... [10:11] But you know, there's no way to get in [10:13] there and work efficiently with [10:14] larger equipment. [10:18] Let's go back to...Here we go. Okay. [10:26] since this is a [10:28] public hearing, I need to ask if there is [10:30] anyone here who would like to speak in favor [10:32] of this project. I haven't heard or seen [10:36] anyone, is there anyone here who wants to [10:38] speak out against this project? Let him show [10:40] up. I haven't heard or seen [10:42] anyone. I request that the [10:46] public hearing be closed. [10:48] Audience comments. [10:49] Excuse me, the public hearing is now closed [10:50] . Board comments, [10:53] questions about this project? [10:59] One question I have is: what type [11:01] of material do you plan to use to repair [11:04] the stucco? Do you plan to repair it with the [11:07] same cementitious base? [11:09] Well, the stucco there has a [11:11] much higher cement content than [11:12] what we can buy on the market. [11:14] We're going to use it. It provides [11:16] much better waterproofing. One of the [11:18] little tricks that [11:20] old historical bricks have is that they [11:22] usually have a high lime content and [11:24] all their mortars because it gives them [11:26] impermeability. And the mortar [11:28] you buy now at S&M is a bit [11:29] lower than that and tends to cut the [11:31] brick anyway. So [11:33] when you make stucco with this, you would use [11:35] the higher lime content because [11:37] you want a more waterproof one. And it will be [11:39] sprayed to obtain the same stucco. [11:41] Okay, we'll keep the same texture. [11:43] Yes, we want to maintain exactly the [11:45] same texture and it will be painted the same [11:47] color as it is now. [11:49] That was my main concern. [11:56] My only comment about the slope [11:58] . You feel that this small swelling [12:01] right against the building is enough, [12:03] or things should probably be [12:04] moved. [12:05] Well, what we're going to do is put [12:07] some large green tiles behind [12:08] the back when we create the [12:10] slope, and some stone beds [12:11] so we can drain the water and let it [12:13] drain naturally towards the [12:14] entrance area. [12:16] Yes, I hate to see all the work done and then [12:19] the problem repeats itself. [12:21] In 3 more years, yes. Are [12:24] you going to put a bookshelf back there [12:26] ? [12:26] Yes, we'll put a bookshelf back there [12:27] . [12:27] You will make a bookshelf to work on. [12:31] Okay, it will be 3 or 4 feet [12:32] deep and then we'll dig [12:34] deeper and put in some larger stones [12:36] for drainage. It [12:38] will also work with the garden. They [12:40] have a garden back there. [12:41] Okay, so you'll divert it. You'll [12:43] divert it around. [12:44] Okay. [12:45] And you will move it away from the structure. It will be [12:48] a complete excavation of that [12:50] back wall, right? [12:51] Yes, we will have to get down to the [12:52] foundations and verify that they are not [12:54] compromised or faulty. [12:55] Yes, okay. [12:56] And then repair it if necessary. [12:58] Okay. There's a [12:59] lot I can't see. I don't know from the [13:00] inside with 3 feet of snow and dirt [13:02] against it, so. [13:05] Okay. Any comments about the [13:07] door? [13:13] It is partially hidden from the [13:14] street. [13:15] Yes. [13:15] Um, it's visible, but not directly on [13:18] the street. [13:20] Mhm. Well, [13:23] yes, there is an elevation change of [13:24] about 9 feet from the street side [13:25] to where the garage is. [13:27] Therefore, it's really difficult to see anything [13:29] other than the crest of the garage from the [13:30] street. [13:31] Correct. So, we have a [13:33] raised panel. [13:35] Okay, let's try to imitate the door [13:36] . [13:38] The existing one is flat. [13:39] Is the existing one a flat panel? [13:41] It looks like a flat panel. Yes. [13:45] Can they go to [13:46] the image of the existing one [13:47] towards the end? [13:49] Yes, there's the proposal with the [13:51] raised panel. [13:52] And then, [13:53] if we look at the existing one, it's a [13:55] flat panel. Did they explore the possibility of [13:58] looking at a flatter panel in the...? [14:00] Unfortunately, all they have are [14:03] raised panel designs. These days everyone [14:11] wants more elegant things, so [14:14] yes, but now we're, you know, [14:17] changing the material and that, and also [14:20] changing the design, or what the [14:25] board of directors thinks about it. Does anyone [14:28] want to comment on this [14:29] ? If we can get a [14:32] flat panel, I don't know if it's possible. [14:34] Yes, I don't know if we can get one. [14:37] I will ask them beforehand to order the [14:39] flat panel instead of the raised panel. [14:42] And it's a big change in character. [14:44] Yes. [14:44] I'm [14:49] trying to see if the aluminum door [14:51] itself doesn't have wood grain, [14:52] right? It's just flat steel. [14:56] But we can make the [14:57] wood grain a part of it. I [14:58] 'm not asking, I don't think we want to [15:00] . I [15:00] 'm not asking for that. I'm just making [15:02] sure it's not there. [15:03] Without wood grain. [15:04] Okay. [15:05] Without wood grain. Yes. [15:07] Well, we're trying to meet [15:09] the board's expectations, so [15:11] ... Well, we don't want to counterfeit the [15:12] product, do we? Therefore, [15:14] engraving wood grain on an [15:16] aluminum panel is counterfeiting it from the [15:18] board's perspective in terms of [15:20] historical standards. [15:22] That's not what my wife thinks about [15:23] our garage door. [15:25] So, if it's a smooth panel or [15:27] smooth metallic aluminum, if it's possible [15:30] for us to put a flat panel on it, [15:32] I think that would be my request. And if [15:35] the board agrees with that. [15:36] Clear. Yes. [15:37] Well, I'll check with the manufacturer to see if they [15:39] make smooth panels. Will you [15:41] say that again? [15:41] I will check with the manufacturer to see if they make [15:42] a door with a smooth panel. [15:44] Yes, smooth, smooth, flat panel, not without [15:47] relief, with a smooth finish. Any [15:51] other comments? We need to consider [15:54] whether to approve, disapprove, or approve with [15:56] conditions. Are [15:57] you going to do anything about the roof? I didn't see [15:59] any. [16:00] No, luckily the roof is in [16:01] pretty good condition, and that's why [16:03] we want to shore it up and do all the [16:04] work we can before [16:06] winter arrives and snow loads start to build up [16:08] when we try to support it with [16:10] temporary shoring and supports. [16:14] Okay. [16:20] Roof, soffit, all that [16:21] existing work remains. And the front wall [16:27] is rebuilt exactly as it was. [16:29] The front wall will be rebuilt exactly as is, [16:31] with wider molding panels that [16:32] match the [16:34] surrounding molding. [16:35] Is the size of the door panel the [16:36] same as the size of the [16:37] existing openings? The [16:38] same as the [16:39] existing openings, yes. Right now they are a [16:40] 9 x 7 foot door. So, it's either that one or [16:43] 8 x 7. It's one of the two [16:45] standard sizes. [16:48] That door looks about 30 years old. [16:53] So, it's not actually that old, [16:55] but it's very deteriorated. Would there be [16:57] any document? [17:04] This is a later neighborhood designation [17:06] . I don't know [17:07] . Is the only documentation we [17:09] have [17:10] from 2017? [17:11] Yes. [17:12] When the district was like that [17:13] , in the early [17:15] 2000s. The photos would be from the [17:17] early 2000s, I think. [17:20] And that would include that or...Okay, I just [17:22] want... [17:24] Yes, and in fact I think the only [17:26] images we have are of the house [17:28] itself and not of the secondary structures [17:30] . [17:31] So, are we really that worried if it's [17:32] a 30-year-old door? I [17:36] mean, does it look like [17:37] a 30-year-old door? [17:38] To me it looks like the door of a house where I [17:40] grew up. The house was built around [17:42] the same time I was born. So yes [17:45] , okay. [17:47] You know, this one looks...Yeah, this one looks like [17:51] Newark. [17:53] Okay. OK. If there are any further questions [17:56] , may I put a motion on the [17:57] table, please? I [17:59] move to approve the [18:00] application as submitted. I [18:03] second that. [18:04] Any comments or additions on [18:06] this? OK. We have a [18:10] motion on the table. Is everyone in favor? [18:12] Yes. [18:13] Against? The motion is approved. [18:16] Thank you so much, guys. Good luck with the [18:18] project. [18:25] Thank you. We don't want that to happen. [18:26] Thank you so much. [18:31] Okay, I think it's my turn again. It's [18:34] garage day. [18:35] So yes, it's garage day. The [18:38] next request is CA-26-20. [18:42] Again, a certificate of suitability for [18:44] 301 Highland Avenue. It is also a [18:47] garage door replacement. Well, [18:50] it's a garage door replacement. The [18:53] district is the [18:55] Sedgwick Highland Preservation District and the [18:58] owner is here to talk [19:00] about his project. [19:03] Good morning. My name is Dan Stevens [19:06] and I am one of the [19:08] property owners. [19:09] Welcome. [19:11] Thank you. [19:14] So, if you could [19:15] quickly describe what your [19:17] project is about and the reasons why at this time [19:19] ... [19:20] Sure. As you can see, the garage is [19:26] separate from the residence. The garage [19:31] itself is on Oak Street. I think it's roughly [19:35] the sixth block of Oak [19:38] Street. And the garage, I think the [19:42] residence was built in 1901. I think [19:46] the garage is about 20 years [19:49] younger, but almost from the same period. In [19:54] fact, there is one...you can't see it very [19:56] well in the photograph, but there is a [19:59] fireplace on the back wall inside the [20:01] garage, which I believe was used to [20:04] keep the vehicles warm [20:06] while they were stored over the [20:08] winter. So it's no longer in [20:11] operation. It's just a kind of [20:13] picturesque architectural relic. [20:18] The doors have been in the snow and [20:21] ice for a century and over time [20:26] that has caused the [20:29] lower door panels to [20:32] gradually deteriorate despite [20:35] painting and some restoration. [20:43] Finally, the door, the [20:47] right-hand door, had... There was a [20:57] metal plate that was embedded in a [21:00] wooden panel at the bottom of the [21:03] door, and the chain and pulley system [21:06] that raised the door was connected [21:13] to that plate. The plaque, due to the [21:15] deterioration of the surrounding wood, [21:18] simply separated from the wood. [21:23] Now there's a hole in the door. And [21:26] I called three different [21:29] door restoration companies to [21:32] come and look at it. The three of them told me [21:36] that it couldn't be repaired again. And they [21:41] all recommended replacing the door [21:46] with composite steel, which is the most [21:49] modern thing in 2026, as far as I understand [21:54] . To be able to do so, for two reasons. I [22:02] have decided to request the repair of [22:04] both doors, even though the [22:06] left door still works. It's within [22:11] the same timeframe. Over time, it will also [22:15] fail for the same reasons of [22:17] snow and ice. And I want them to look the [22:20] same. I don't want one to turn [22:22] one way and the other another. [22:25] Additionally, the garage doors [22:30] cannot be locked at this time [22:33] . And if someone enters the garage... [22:44] Both cars that were stored [22:47] there were broken into last year. That's why [22:51] I'm interested in ensuring that, as part of [22:53] this project, we can also close [22:56] the door so that no one but me [22:59] can enter. I'll be happy to [23:05] answer any questions. [23:08] Thank you. Well, this is a [23:11] public hearing, so I need to ask [23:13] if there is anyone here in the audience [23:14] who would like to speak in favor of this [23:15] project. Nobody here. Does anyone want to [23:20] speak out against this project? [23:22] Nobody here. Then we can close [23:25] the public comment. Board, any [23:30] questions for the applicant? Any [23:32] comments? May I [23:37] speak for just a second? It [23:40] 's on the table. [23:41] In fact, I can give you this. This is a [23:46] little more information about the... [23:53] Thank you. [24:00] So they're cut off. That, uh, uh, [24:02] Mr. Stevens and I had [24:05] also talked about all the different [24:08] window arrangements, and, uh, this [24:12] was the window arrangement he [24:15] included in his application, uh, and, uh, there are [24:19] also simpler ones [24:22] available; But we had, [24:26] uh, as you can see, uh, they are some that [24:30] perhaps look a little more like what we have [24:32] now. [24:33] Yes. Did [24:37] you consider making two [24:41] window panels that replicate what's there [24:43] now? Did you consider that option? [24:49] I wanted to discourage people from looking out of [24:52] the windows. There's really no [24:56] point in having windows. The cars [24:58] live there. They don't look out the window. [25:03] That is an existing window. You can [25:05] see that he is, uh, I guess at my [25:07] height. Then, someone on the street [25:10] can come in and look and see what's [25:12] there. The higher windows seem to [25:19] discourage that, and people just [25:22] walk right past, which is what I want them to [25:25] do. [25:26] So, I had the same question, [25:28] but I was wondering, and I understand the [25:29] concern about security, of [25:31] course. But would they be open to [25:34] adding lower-level windows and [25:36] putting a privacy film on [25:37] both? Therefore, you would still [25:40] maintain the overall appearance and [25:41] proportion of the glazing, but [25:43] no one would be able to see inside. [25:45] Therefore, the privacy film would [25:46] also add an extra layer [25:48] of durability against the possibility of [25:52] people breaking the glass or something [25:53] like that. Therefore, it wouldn't be the same as [25:56] the steel panel, but you would retain [25:57] the look, the overall proportion of the [25:59] glazing, and prevent [26:01] people from seeing inside for a [26:02] minimal additional cost. [26:06] Yes, I'm open to that, definitely. In [26:18] the last 5 years, there have been two [26:21] incidents where people came and [26:24] broke the windows of two cars. [26:28] Yes. I thought this provision was [26:35] more likely to discourage that. That's why I [26:39] prefer it, but it's not the hill where I [26:42] want to die. [26:47] Well, what we're talking about in [26:48] this case is maintaining the [26:50] visual character of the garage. [26:52] Yes. That's why [26:53] having the double row of lights [26:54] was always there. It let the [26:56] light in. You can, you know, there are other [26:58] windows in the garage, but it presents [27:00] a more street-friendly facade [27:02] and your garage is a couple of [27:05] feet from the sidewalk. It is very pronounced. And [27:08] I'd like you to include a picture of [27:11] the house with the garage too, because it's [27:13] a striking combination, I think. The [27:15] house. The house is great. But just to [27:20] show the character that was included, [27:22] even though the garage is 20 years [27:25] younger, I think it [27:26] charismatically connects the house and you're on [27:29] the edge of the district. And so, for [27:32] me, it's very important to maintain those [27:34] characteristics even though we're on the edge [27:36] because once we start to lose [27:38] that pedestrian scale or that [27:39] fenestration pattern, we start to degrade the [27:41] edge of the district's edge. You don't know what [27:44] I mean. Do you understand what I'm [27:45] saying? [27:46] Well, this is true. I suppose if [27:50] you think of the Sedgwick district as if it [27:53] were the Monopoly board, this [27:55] is Baltic Avenue. And it really is. [28:00] It's just around the corner from [28:03] Highland Ave. It's on your way to [28:05] Oak Street. So, it's not the area we [28:08] 're looking at, it's not what people [28:12] think of as the classic [28:15] Sedgwick district. Across the street, across [28:20] Oak Street, there is a 217 Highland [28:24] Avenue. It's empty and has been [28:29] for almost 10 years. [28:32] Yes. [28:33] Anyway, nobody is looking at that [28:36] property. The house adjacent to 217 [28:42] Highland Avenue, 215 Highland Avenue [28:45] , is also unoccupied. Nobody lives [28:50] there either. It's been empty for a while. [28:57] If you continue down Highland Avenue or [29:01] Oak Street, sorry. The next [29:05] building is another garage. And next door is what [29:09] used to be a [29:15] photography shop. [29:17] That's closed too. So, there's [29:20] not much there. It's not Old [29:22] Sturbridge Village. Nobody comes to [29:24] walk around and look at these properties. It's [29:27] just a building where [29:30] cars live. And I'm trying to keep [29:33] the cars protected. [29:34] Understood. But are you open to a [29:38] film that, as Cal mentioned, [29:40] would be a privacy film for [29:42] that? [29:43] Yes, I am. [29:45] Okay, I think that's a [29:46] really good comment, a [29:47] really good solution. Any other [29:51] board members who would like to [29:52] comment? And then we have to [29:56] draft a motion here. And then [30:04] do we make single-row windows that are [30:06] simplified, more like the [30:07] Stockbridge model? [30:08] Yes, I guess I don't know. I [30:10] agree with a row of windows. [30:12] I would prefer the Stockbridge model. [30:15] I appreciate the additional set of [30:17] vertical lines on the doors. You [30:19] know, it's not just the standard. [30:21] Yes, the appearance of the large blackboard is [30:22] ... [30:22] Yes, complementary to what's there. It's [30:24] a good catch. [30:26] Yes. [30:32] No further comments? [30:33] Was that a motion or...? [30:34] No, any other comments? [30:37] May I make [30:38] any further comments? Go ahead, but [30:39] if there is a motion, please [30:41] introduce it. [30:44] I propose approving the project as [30:46] presented, with a change from [30:48] Prairie windows to [30:50] Stockbridge windows for the top row of windows [30:52] . [30:57] Okay, we have a motion. Do we have [30:59] someone to support her? [31:06] I suppose I'd like to see the [31:07] small additional glazing. [31:08] Okay, we could... We can... [31:11] amend that. [31:14] Yes. [31:15] Okay. [31:16] Or if there is no one to second it, [31:18] then that motion fails. And [31:20] then a new [31:22] motion can be made. OK. [31:23] If we don't have anyone to [31:26] second it, that motion will fail. [31:29] OK. Please, let's put a new [31:31] motion on the table. [31:34] I propose accepting the request as [31:36] presented, with the modification that [31:37] we keep the windows in the [31:39] second row, but with the [31:40] vertical mullions. And a [31:47] privacy film to discourage people from [31:50] looking. Do [31:51] we have anyone who supports that motion [31:53] that's on the table? [31:55] Support. [31:56] Any discussion or [31:58] modifications regarding this? No one is [32:03] in favor of the motion. [32:09] I. [32:10] Against? The motion is approved. [32:13] Thank you so much. Thank you. [32:15] Any questions? They can [32:17] contact Kate. It's very simple. [32:24] If you have any questions, [32:30] that's fine. Okay [32:30] , thank you very much. Thank you so much. [32:32] Thank you. [32:33] Great. Keep it up. [32:34] Thank you. I have nothing more for [32:41] you today. So, there are no new [32:46] issues or any particular topics for discussion [32:47] at this time. Well, [32:55] unless someone else has something. No. [32:58] It's fine. [32:59] Good motion to adjourn the session. [33:02] Support. Is everyone in favor? [33:05] Yes. The [33:06] motion is approved. [33:08] Very good. [33:10] job.