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appreciate all the equipment.

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I used to have
calendar.

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Yes.

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» Did you see
me and my son wasn't married?

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They took a picture of myself drinking
that sent it to the guys.

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My second

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stand

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of the republic for it stands one nation
under God indivisibley

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and justice for all.

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I don't know what to do with it.

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» Notice

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public

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Mr.
>> Mr.

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» Yes.

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» Mr. Corgenda

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item. These are the items that are on
the agenda.

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The
state addressed

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a number of pictures
and problems that were going on.

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director

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say there today I saw some soccer there
And I'm very happy to see that

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we reorganized in January. The first
resolution we passed resolution

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which is adopting
Robert's order for the meeting. I'm

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going to read what the rules are so you
know what behavior expects

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the open
provides the public with an opportunity

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to comside.

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body

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issues that a member of the public
concern.

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public.

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I'm not going to interrupt you.

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the door

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out there.
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» Open the door.
>> On your hands

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on your hands.

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» You open the door. Open these doors.
>> Capacity.

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» Everybody deserves to hear what's going
on.

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» We open.
>> We don't hear you outside.

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» She hiding.
>> She's hiding. Where she at?

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You people do not behave.

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» You ought to resign. You ought to
resign. You're disgrace.

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[Applause]
You're going through chemo. Get out of

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here.
>> I make a motion. Calm down.

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We can't hear anybody.

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[Music]
>> You don't do anything.

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» You do nothing.
>> You're doing it in close session. So,

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nobody knows about it. We don't know
about it till we talk about it.

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» You're all corrupt.

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» Thank you.
>> You're all corrupt.

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Good job.

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» Come on.
>> No reason.

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» You shouldn't be on the committee.

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You're going to take your

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cash break.
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They they they knew what was going to
happen and they ch and they ch and they

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chose to do it. They knew how many
people they should have had this

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open.

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But you know what it is.

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They are
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is

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You're not the only one.

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Oh my god.

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probably

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[Music]
I may or may not

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my my husband in 2014
in a very serious vehicle accident.

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Um he
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trauma um overnight he had multiple
injuries.

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Um the way home I felt good. Thank God
for I felt good and um EMS was there too

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and I want to

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When a cardiac arrest

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and other vital

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none of us
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a family that is in healthare.

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» Everyone cooperates. We will listen to
you. We want to hear from you. But if

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not, the meeting will be terminated if
the list continues.

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So, it's up to you.
>> Blood's on your hand. Thank you.

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» We will terminate the meeting and we'll
be happy to schedule another meeting to

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hear your concerns. But for tonight, we
have business we need to take care,

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including listening to you.

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And they are in the back. If anyone
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» we're going to go back to public.
Anything on the agenda that you want to

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comment on, please come forward
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Good evening, Mayor.

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Can you turn off
township? Currently 106 road is included

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and I believe it's supposed to be 106
roads. Please confirm otherwise

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accurate address for transparency.
Second, items about 2025-105.

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While most positions received 3% across
the board, some key roles did not,

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including the fire inspector, the DPW
part-time labor and snow cloud driver as

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well as utility one supervisor clarify
the reasons behind these exceptions.

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Additionally, I want to highlight that
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pays $156,000
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While I believe compensation is
important and to retain qualified

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personnel, it's also important to
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Regarding sub officials, I know that
there's an increase from 2787 to $555

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per hour. That's a 97.3%

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determining
such an adjustment. Third, community

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engagement. I'd like to personally thank
all the residents who attended the

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housing of the two new township fire
apparatus on August 23rd. It was a great

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turnout and a true testament to what we
could uh achieve. The township committee

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and fire officers work together. Events
like this strengthen the community bonds

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and showcase the value of collaboration.
Fourth, the RFP of the architectural

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services repurpose 134 wrote in 134.
Could the committee explain the scope of

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this RFP? How detailed will the plan be
for repurposing the facility? Uh how

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much does the committee anticipate being
comfortable with spending on this

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project? Clear guidance on this will
help the residents understand the

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township's attention and financial
planning regarding the capital budget

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recommended fire department utility
truck.

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Can the committee clarify whether these
items have been removed from the budget

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and if so the reasoning behind that
decision? Transparency on these items is

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important for residents to understand
the priorities and strength of budget.

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Finally, your terms on the budget, I
don't believe they are correct. If you

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guys go back, I think it's page one,
your terms for when you are elected

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officials through three years. I don't
think they're correct.

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else?

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I'm commenting on the RFP for
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regarding old town hall the
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rehabilitation.

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I like discussion as to what you mean by
rehabilitation. The scope of the work

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for all the town hall has always been
stated as being extremely broad. We know

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that as a culturally important building,
but as a historically historical

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building, it's pretty comprom.
All of the work to date for that

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building.

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I would appreciate hearing your
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what the scope of that work might be.

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the right

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proposals to reuse that building or
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of oldtown.

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other building
needs. So this is all new

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and what that restoration rehabilitation
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not is no longer a consideration focus
on the ESD. I don't think that's well

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here, but I'd like to hear what you have
to say. I want to know where you stand

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as a whole

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know.

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What's up

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Hold it high. Hold it.

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» My name is Nichla with 15 Boulevard.
Mayor, your He ran against on honest,

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open, transparent government.
>> Yes, this is with the RP of the

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building.
>> Answers to residents questions,

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concerns, not thank you for your
comments. You're all here wanting

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answers. It is deeply disappointing,
even tragic. The elected official move

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to stay home with emergency service
agency serviced me for over seven years.

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And to do it with such little
transparency and respect for our

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community volunteers who dedicate their
lives to serving it.

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um not getting a termination notice and
no sign content replacement that is not

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responsible leadership mayor bar in the
interview of the pine tribute you say

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that you have every confidence in
proposing the suspect that April 11

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for municipalities and other officials
you said and I quote as elected

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officials who have responsibility to
provide service to our residents well I

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ask you how is cancelelling TR's
contract signed agreement for their

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replacement fulfillment I'm
responsibility. How do we make community

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without a guaranteed 24/7 DMS provider
show responsible governance? To many of

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us, it's going to look like a lack of
leadership and transparency and perhaps

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a hidden agenda to create up state for
funds for a new council building. Hence

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the lower
emergency service subcommittee, a group

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supposedly formed to assess this
transition only once before making this

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drastic decision. one is not engaging
with a formality.

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The main uh justification you guys have
for the action of TRS is that written

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that was 30% of calls in the first two
quarters of 2025. The TRS August 256

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statement clearly says what led to the
statistics and provides a level of

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accountability and transparency that has
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government throughout this process. If
you haven't seen it, I urge you to go to

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Facebook to read their post. And here's
the most pressing question. How is it

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going to improve response time or
coverage? Southampton manager, I'm

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sorry,
can tell the public that they do not

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have the capacity to provide 24/7
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Lumberton does not cover 100% of their
calls either. That's why mutual aid

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agreements exist. Instead of abruptly
dispanding TRS and destabilizing

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emergency services in the process, why
not work with them? Why not strengthen

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their staffing improvement aid agreement
and investment is good and safe our

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community
has history experience and local

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commitment the kind of community based
service can't just be replaced with a

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spreadsheet promise we deserve better
deserves better and the volunteers have

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served this township selflessly for
decades deserve better far more respect

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from all you guys have shown that

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com items.

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» These are agenda items.

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about

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anything else.

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134 New Road.
>> I'm Juliani. I'm actually a res and I'm

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one of the residents that this will
impact because this doesn't just impact

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tabernacle. It impacts Shimon. It
impacts Medford. It impacts South Camp.

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This careless decision impacts five
schools that serve 2400 students. Do you

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want to know

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students with food allergies? Medical
intervention is 30 minutes to death with

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anoplastic shock. You want to limit to
one ambulance based on the plans that

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have officially been released.

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Make it sense.
>> Three ambulances were dispatched to the

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206 accident in Aion Lake.
>> You want to go down to one ambulance?

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Who else will respond? East, they're 30
minutes away. Medford, they're 20.

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Medford lakes are 15 20 depending on
location. Southampton and Lumberton 30

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minutes. I don't see anybody in private
medical vehicles out here. I go into Mar

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and Medford all the time. It'll take six
months before I see a private virtual

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paramedic truck. What do you want? Try
care virtual Capitol Hill who responded

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to Peterson. Tabernacle is the only
Tabernacle rescue squad is the only

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squad in the county with stern
equipment. You want to take that away?

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What is wrong with you? What edgy
headed?

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[Applause]
Because I'm 23. I'm a graduate of Senica

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from 2020. T arrest responded to my
accident on Old Mills Road. I had the

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big truck with the chief and m knowing
Mr. Canard from Senica could respond to

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that accident. You're asking teachers to
not respond to their own students.

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Where is the logic in that? Where is the
logic in having people who don't know

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their students
respond?

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And so be it on your head if the student
dies because of this, negligent, gross

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overreach.
I hope you're happy with yourselves. And

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if you are, shame on you for every
single decision, for making this

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absolute corrupt decision. Shame on you
for every single

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[Applause]

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You look at me like you're bored. Like
you don't want to be here. You skipped

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your meeting in August.
Were you going to skip this one? You You

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went immediately into executive session.
None of us thought you were even going

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to come back out. So make your
transparency because early you don't

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give a
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What more do you need to hear?
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decision.
>> What if it was your family?

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information.

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Was there any combination of discussions
between the emergency services and the

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township?
I think there's a lot of concern about

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whether

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What was the substance of that?

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How were the people
represent the public? Obviously, you

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guys can only
public. How were those people chosen?

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What the level of expertise. Do we have
someone who has a background in

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emergency services in the medical world
to be able to bring expertise

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on everything, but we should be picking
people who are experts that have part of

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that discussion and to represent our
community. So I would like some

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substantial information
so that the members of the public

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understand the thought process and then
we can agree or disagree. And I suspect

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that we're going to have concerned about

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what was discussion. How many times did
you emergency services

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how much did you engage with other
emergency services

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[Applause]
from the public?

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I believe there's going to be a
presentation later

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on.

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My big concern with this transition of
there is a 35minut response time from

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the furthest point to the furthest
What I'm hearing is you're looking at

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Southampton
that's going to come in and assist

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Southampton has one ambulance 247.

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There is no other volunteers there to
answer second grade.

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We have a hard enough time getting to
the hospital based on our location here.

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Someone talked about that's Horrible,
horrible situation. But my other

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question is to they provide service
football

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to provide an ambulance to

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football field just standby. So what
happens to all those people? I'm very

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very very concerned about the time frame
to get an ambulance when there isn't a

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dedicated
station 247

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doesn't

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answer the call which is quite frequent
by the time they get back down here

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something

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I I think there has to be a better
solution to this impacting the lives of

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every I have a child who's bad
allergies. God help me if he goes into

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an wind up in my car and pray the whole
way to the hospital. I'm going to get

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him there in time. I'm not going to get
a time frame to another

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of multiple
tabernacle. tabernacle.

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None of these organizations have enough
staff to supply extra cost. The whole

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volume is going down, ladies and
gentlemen. It is going up and up and up.

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[Applause]

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You got to speak up. We have to speak
up.

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I live across the street from
Tourette's. Sometimes

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with Tourette's um this is not the same
for everybody but

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[Music]
medical diagnosis. So sometimes when I

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get sick

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I get locked in my own body. I cannot
move. I cannot talk.

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It is scary having to wait.

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It feels like hours.

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» Are you guys listening?

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» People should not have to wait. when
they are scared, when they don't know

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what's happening.

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That's all I

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should be familiar with showing up, not
so

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you trust

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Tim

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and the assistant chief of the emergency

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respond

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for the task

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I'm here tonight.

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Okay. What you're doing does not
justffect

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affect

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[Music]

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[Music]

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You're an undurcri

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sit up there and I don't know, ignore
people.

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[Applause]
for you. You owe them a

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» service.

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[Applause]

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portion of the meeting

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on agenda item. You're welcome to
>> this should be the agenda.

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» Excuse me. It's a violation of
follow agenda.

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So why don't you just

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com

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expecting the state police to pick up
the emergency squad because I don't see

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them represented here and I'll tell you
everything. They don't have the

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equipment. They don't have they cannot
give injections to save a life.

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What are you thinking? I spent 22 years
in the US Army before I came here

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» again. This is on agenda items. You have
comment on agenda items. Now is the time

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to talk about that agenda items. If you
have a general comment, it will be later

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in the meeting.
>> There wasn't enough agendas on agenda

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items.
>> Can we have an example of some of the

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agenda items?

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This is a question.

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how much you're willing to spend
building

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all of our money for the purpose of

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emergency

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options that would be better
for us.

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[Applause]

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Why

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you guys don't own that building? We
[Applause]

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that building. There's no reason to
authorize that building.

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[Applause]

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You got trailers. Oh, the trailers

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instead of rent. We got
buildings around here that could be

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purchased
much less expense than an

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actual rec.

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And our voices will be heard.
[Applause]

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Mr.

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» We got another one.
>> Got another one.

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» You missed the meeting in August. You
got to listen.

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» That's right.
>> Got to listen.

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Mr.

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» Yes. Number four.
My name's Ryan. I'm new to the area and

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I'm hoping and I want to thank the
principal

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years and I have a question about what
is all this about

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the resolved

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I'd like to know
my time to explain that to me.

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[Music]

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Mr.
>> Mr.

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Mr. Oiler

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April 28.

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» We can't hear a word.

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» We can't hear you.

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Mr. Fragusky.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Oiler.
>> Yes.

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» Deputy Mayor McCor.

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» Please speak up.

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Submission to build 10,680,240

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18

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» Mr. Musky.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Oiler.
>> Yes.

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» Deputy Mayor McDonald.
>> Yes. Mayor Harden.

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» Yes.
>> New business and discussion items.

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Brunson County is seeking preliminary
approval of an eastern purchase that

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requires no
This is for the farm east and west

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» Mr.
McCloski.

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» Yes,
>> Mr. Oiler.

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» Yes,

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» RFP for architectural services for the
repurpose of new road and rehabilitation

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of street road.

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I would like to discuss

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what is what is it for
you?

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They're looking to table that resolution
for further debate while they gather

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more information and report on it.

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» We have a second on that motion.
Mr.

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Musky
>> Mr.

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Mayor

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» request for tabernacle rescue squad to
place temporary signs in the public

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right away.

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in the past. I don't know if they gave
you parameters on it, but this is my

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first day back. Um, you did have I think
it was second, you did ask for certain

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things not being a sight line.
Um, I don't know.

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» They can't put anything,
>> right? Some people don't realize that or

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understand that.
I don't know if you want me to put that

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property
>> typically

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under

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sign. There's a large signific

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location.
It does not say how many signs, but I

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can certainly put that in there.

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[Applause]

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Yes, we did.
>> So, Mr.

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» Moski, yes.
>> Mr.

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[Music]
Um, okay. 2025 capital budget. Nothing

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has changed from when we presented the
budget to you back in April. Um, so what

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we had on there, I just want to know
for a bond or to get the authorization

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of the debt.
Um, rebate board park security um I'm

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sorry that fire police utility truck for
that was requested pickup truck related

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equipment for OEM utility tax vehicle
for OEM was requested three ros

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for public works with the year um we're
going to be able to reduce that amount

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90,000 originally by 8900
that we'll be able to use community

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grant money and we'll also sell the 4400
which we discussed at the time of the

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budget. So we will be getting rid of
piece of equipment for that as well

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» yes
>> Mr. Oiler

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» yes
>> Mayor McDonald

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» and I have a couple things just as the
administrator if you don't mind. Um the

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county announced two shredding events.
Uh they're going to be September 21st uh

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this year at November 2nd from 9:00 a.m.
to 100 p.m. at the DC building.

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And then uh we were awarded $125,000
for the 2025 county art improvement

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project for relocating field number two
at Patty Boer and additional parking lot

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where field number two I believe at the
moment. So this will be a phase project

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we have estimated,000
project. We're only getting 125. So

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we'll start the project. We'll do what
we can. Um if the county again next

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year. We'll put
I'll also include the budget in case

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this is the first time in five years the
county has offered this grand money and

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if I had not put the reimbursement of
the 2020 mal grant that prior

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administrations had not done the
reimbursement for we would not been

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approved for this. So we had $161,500
sitting out there that paid for and

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didn't bother to get the reimbursement.
So that work was filed and the money's

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already

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Uh this is for consent agenda
resolutions. There is no ordinance for

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second reading resolution 2025-104
emergency permit for members of the

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tabernacle fire department.

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Resolution 2025105
approval of 2025 salaries for employees

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and officials for various positions.
Resolution 2025106

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resolution of tabernacle county
Burlington state of New Jersey

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authorizing the sale of surplus property
by open public auction in accordance

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with NJSA 3812-13
and NJAC 534-59

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resolution 2025107
appointment township health broker and

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of contractor professional services
resolution 2025108

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Appointment of administrative assistant
Maline Ford. Resolution 2025109

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authorized membership and individual
mutual aid and assistance agreement with

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participating units. Resolution 2025-
110 authorized cancellation of certain

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property taxes to a 100% totally
disabled veteran exemption. Resolution

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2025 1112 and 113 are also for
authorization cancellation of property

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tax 100% totally disabled veteran
exemption. Mayor, if you'd like, I can

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answer a couple of those questions if
you'd like and we're asking the public.

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Um, if I remember them all correctly,
the sub code officials, we have two sub

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code officials in this township is Mr.
Boyd and uh Mr. Bowley. If either one of

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them are out for a sick, meaning an
extended sick more than a week's time or

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a vacation, we have to hire a sub code
from the outside. No sub codes are

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coming in for the 2782 is posted in our
ordinance. So, we have raised that $55

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to try and get people to serve
when um there was a question about the

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$75 an hour. That's the parttime
position is when I was out. Um, we have

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to have a clerk. So, that was necessary.
That is not something that would be a

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full-time position at any time. Um does
anyone remember any other questions

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» related to that ordinance or resolution

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driver and all and part-time laborers
are seasonal employees they

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director position was moved to the front
page they're an exemped

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as an hour
so I tax for them all. You can see me

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after the meeting. I'm happy to get an
answer for you.

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» That's because we had a vacancy in the
position and we'll have a brand new um

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employee starting and we don't want them
to be the same employee uh hourly rate

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as somebody who's already been here for
more than a year.

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» Thank you for reminding me. And uh we'll
fix that road in the actual resolution.

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Thanks for bringing that to our
attention. I believe that answer.

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» Oh, we'll fix that as well. We had asked
for that and um

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» Mr.
>> Yes.

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» Miss McCloskey.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Oiler.
>> Yes.

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» Mayor McDonald.
>> Yes. Mayor

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» we have an application for research
fruit and vegetable for a fall festival.

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Again, this is making you aware of it.
It was sent off to any um department

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that services were requested.

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Do you have any questions or concerns on
the activity? Thank you. Administrator

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over report is attached to the agenda.
Uh the monthly miscellaneous funs

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collected were $32,499.
Tax collector for July 25 receipts

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$71,287.

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I'm just going to add in that the tax
bills are getting mailed out tomorrow

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and they are available in the whip
system. Uh no report engineers no

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report. Do you have anything this
evening?

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EMS report

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get online recreation director we don't
have a report but I know he's here does

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he have anything
>> thank you public works director

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submitted the report part of the packet
and online subcommittee reports I was

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just told there are nothing um committee
comments Mr.

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Thank you.
>> Yes.

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» Okay.

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» So, I wanted to give you a subcommittee

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I wanted to give you a subcommittee
presentation. I want you to know that

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the subcommittee is made up of Dave
Boer, Kathy Crane, and myself for the

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emergency services.

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For those of you that don't know me,
I've lived with this counsel since 1976.

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I have been a teacher at Senica for over
20 years. I've been a part of the

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Tabernacle Women's Association for at
least 18 years. I've done hundreds of

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00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:09,559
community service projects in this
county.

477
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:09,559
But what's probably more important

478
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:20,319
is that the path that we took was not
the path that I expected or the results

479
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:26,720
that I expected for myself. Some of you
may know that n and a half years ago, my

480
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:35,599
daughter was in a quad accident three
houses down from my home with a friend.

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00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:43,280
And at that time
I was the third person on the scene. I

482
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:48,880
was having a haircuthead of our times
and got the phone call that she had been

483
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:54,000
in an accident from my husband's friend.
When I got to the accident,

484
00:58:51,440 --> 00:59:00,559
it was pretty bad.
Um, but thankfully

485
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:05,680
shortly after that
TRS showed up and I think there were two

486
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:12,440
ambulances. I'm not sure. Things are a
little hazy, but three very familiar

487
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,440
faces got out of that ambulance.

488
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:22,240
And it was those familiar faces that one
of them called in and airlift

489
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:29,440
immediately.
And because they move so quickly,

490
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:34,799
they save my daughter's life. And I do
I will admit that and I will be grateful

491
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:40,799
to them for the rest of my life.
But n and a half years ago, it was a

492
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:46,640
different TRS
and I need to just provide you and share

493
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:50,200
with you the information that we found
along the way.

494
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:59,480
Let her talk.
>> So if you please opportunity just share

495
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,480
the data.

496
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,000
» You should be on the committee.

497
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:20,319
We're gonna I just want to share with
you a little bit about the efficiency,

498
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:26,760
the knowledge that we had to to learn
the things that

499
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,760
nobody can see that.

500
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:37,280
» So
I just want to share a little

501
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:42,720
information on the efficiency, the
knowledge base. the agreements we

502
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:48,960
learned, the subcommittee, the current
situation, the emergency services

503
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:52,359
subcommittee process, all uh information
you've been asking.

504
01:00:55,839 --> 01:01:04,079
Our charge as a committee subcommittee
is to determine efficiency of all

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01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:09,119
tabernacle emergency services.
Changes in volunteerism and volunteerism

506
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:15,680
as per Our provider discussion in
February cited our former members who

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01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:22,319
were recruited by other paid agencies as
TRS remain one of the few volunteer

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01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:28,000
agencies until December 31st of 2024
which led to members leaving paid for

509
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:32,400
pay positions elsewhere. So we started
that discussion un understanding what

510
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:37,040
was happening.
We had to look at what was going on

511
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:42,319
postco. The Burlington County standards,
the needs of you in our community, the

512
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:46,880
loss of community fundraisers, higher
equipment costs, the need to focus on

513
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:51,520
paid employment. We came into the
position of committee needing

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01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:56,760
information which led us to learning a
lot about our emergency services.

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01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:06,160
Some of the things that we learned I
just want to take a few seconds to share

516
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:12,319
because I heard someone say something
about response time and what I learned

517
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:17,440
and we learned on committee was that we
also re we receive services that fall

518
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:22,400
into about three different categories
municipal category like our fire

519
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:25,839
department health system such as virtua
and we know we already talked about that

520
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:32,000
paramedics have to come all the way from
virtua and private such as TRS virtual

521
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:36,799
opposed to financial statements as a
nonprofit, but they give us advanced

522
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:42,000
life support through their paramedics.
They respond to those life-threatening

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01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:49,040
cases from a call.
ESAM, Hampton Lakes, Lumberton, Medford,

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01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:52,240
and TRS all provide us with basic life
support,

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01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:56,559
and they support each other through
mutual aid.

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01:02:54,240 --> 01:03:03,599
Mutual aid is very important because if
an agency has limited staffing and uses

527
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:08,720
mutual aid, this can be very taxing on
our mutual aid partners that have larger

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01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:13,520
call volumes.
Response time, and this is something I

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01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:19,680
learned, is the amount of time from the
dispatch from central until the time the

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01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:25,440
ambulance leaves the building.
So, how the system works is 911 call

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01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:32,079
comes in to dispatch and it goes to the
closest station that has reported a crew

532
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:39,039
is available for that time period.
That crew has eight minutes

533
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:42,720
or two to four minute taps to respond,
which is way too much. Who said that?

534
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:48,000
Someone out here said that. That's way
too much time. If no response, it goes

535
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:53,119
to the next closest EMS provider that
has reported a crew. And our chiefs of

536
01:03:50,640 --> 01:04:00,119
each of the town, um, they're
responsible to Paul and

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01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,119
so

538
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,559
this is just some information that we
learned.

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01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:18,960
Like I said, we went over mutual aid.
Um, no crew or partial crew. That was a

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01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:23,280
a learning experience for me. Um, no
crew. And partial crew can't go out

541
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:29,200
because we need two people in an
ambulance to send an ambulance out.

542
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:33,599
» Response time is a little different than
what I thought it was. I thought it was

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01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:38,799
from the time they get the call to the
time they show up at the house with the

544
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:45,119
or the location of the emergency, but
that's not it. And then for DM EMTs, um

545
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:49,280
they explained to me these are members
of the squad.

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01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:52,280
Um and usually that's a part-time
situation.

547
01:04:52,640 --> 01:05:00,160
I'm sorry if some of you noticed it was
just news. It was a learning experience

548
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:05,079
here.
So, our EMS providers,

549
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:15,039
our EMS providers need two certified
people to be on an ambulance, but

550
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:20,319
they're not required
in our agreement

551
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:24,960
with TRS to run from the building. And
they don't all come from the building.

552
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:29,200
If they have to drive to the building on
new road and then come to your

553
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:36,079
residence, that increases response time,
which can impact patient outcomes.

554
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:42,000
Now, our building that we all pay for
with our taxes

555
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:48,480
houses, it's capable of housing six
ambulances, a rescue truck, an off-road

556
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:53,520
capable vehicle, the boat. Also,
sleeping people and fully functioning

557
01:05:50,880 --> 01:06:01,720
kitchen and showering quarters among
other amenities and rooms for the use of

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01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:01,720
our emergency services providers.

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01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:17,660
So this is something else we found out
in 2022.

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01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:23,200
TRS went into an agreement with lees
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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:28,559
is TRS tabernac
was implemented to reduce the daytime

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01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:32,160
workload on TRS volunteers and to
improve night and weekend staffing.

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01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:37,839
availability.
Why is this important?

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01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:44,480
Because if you made a call during the
day, which is the higher volume time

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01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:48,599
between April of 2022
and December of 2024,

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01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:57,920
you were assisted by lees
because still in 2024, there was a

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01:06:55,599 --> 01:07:04,400
continued concern that our current
providers were missing. approximately

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01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:09,599
300 of the 820 something calls at night
and on the weekends.

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01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:16,240
This was not
all on other calls.

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01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:23,799
Some of these were no staffing available
and Hampton Lakes Medford and PJM shared

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01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,799
the handling of the calls

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01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:36,640
at point in 2024, TRS began merger
discussions with Hampton Lakes Emergency

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01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:42,000
Services.
TRS results were still wavering. They

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01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:48,400
were still having problems with
staffing.

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01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:54,160
This is not a dig. This is reality.
TRS was still failing to dispatch an

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01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:59,839
ambulance over 300 times
for the 824 calls at night and on the

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01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:04,240
weekend. According to the records, our
review shows there was no staffing

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:09,839
available to staff the ambulance in most
of those cases. Hampton Lakes covered

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01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:15,440
many of these calls with mutual aid
support from Medford and EAM.

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01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:20,000
TRS began discussions with the other
providers. It was a great idea.

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01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:25,759
Unfortunately, they could not find an
agency that would partner with them. And

582
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:30,239
on December 31st of 2024, without an
agreement to cover our residents, they

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01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:35,120
dismissed
Lumberton, which had been taking care of

584
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:42,080
our residents during the day from April
of 24 or April of 22 to December of

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01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:47,920
2024.
They made presentations to townships,

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01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:53,400
but it didn't work out. And then they
said the agreement before they had

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01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,400
another agreement.

588
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:08,719
» So what did we do? We evaluated the
current providers results.

589
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:14,000
We met with other Burlington County EMS
agencies and township leadership. We met

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01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:18,880
with Burlington County Central. We
reviewed quarterly reports and compared

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01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:24,000
to month's quarterly reports which
should be identical.

592
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:28,159
Report comparisons.
We evaluated potential shared service

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01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:32,799
agreements with surrounding townships.
We looked at private ambulance companies

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01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:39,480
and got quotes from them. And we
evaluated other provider results from

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01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:39,480
their service in Tabernacle and Shimon.

596
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:56,400
In February, we met with TRF.
At that time, they assured the

597
01:09:54,640 --> 01:10:00,640
subcommittee they had active financial
resources to start paying members, but

598
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:05,120
would eventually need financial support
from the township. So, they knew this

599
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:08,640
was happening.
They knew they were going to need

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01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:17,239
financial support.
to maintain or even contribute to a

601
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,239
larger staffing concern.

602
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:28,480
» It's happening all over. Volunteerism
is is not doing the work that needs to

603
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:34,640
be done. We all are working other jobs
and have other commitments and we

604
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:39,679
understand that. We asked TRS leadership
if we could have schedules and a plan

605
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:43,600
for upcoming months. We asked for a list
of volunteers

606
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:49,920
» which we did get a list of volunteers
and many on that list are working for

607
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:53,840
other EMS service providers.
We asked for plans for staffing and in

608
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:58,400
March we emailed leadership to find out
the status.

609
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:04,640
We did have an email that they're
currently

610
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:10,960
um working and they found uh one uh
staff member that they could put on. Um

611
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:14,880
they recently said they established a
new hiring committee to oversee the

612
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:19,920
recruitment process as this became a
priority only at the start of the year.

613
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:23,400
But they knew staffing was a concern
from 2022.

614
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,920
So what are some of the concerns?

615
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:37,880
» What we also learned is that the 2024
report

616
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:51,880
every miss call was in one category.
Categories include mutual aid response,

617
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:51,880
no crew, and partial crew.

618
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:59,440
But they were all one together in mutual
aid.

619
01:11:56,480 --> 01:12:05,360
This particular way of organizing was an
internal metric and Shimong realized

620
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:13,159
what was happening and asked TRS to
begin separating

621
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:13,159
the miss into the proper categories.

622
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:21,320
You can see some of the information we
found out through this

623
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:30,960
responded to the bulk of calls in the
nights and weekends in 2024. They

624
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:36,480
responded to 147
in tabernacle

625
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:44,560
ales crews operated from the station on
new road. So sometimes if you had a 911

626
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:52,080
call in 2022, 2023 or 2024,
they may have showed up to your home

627
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:55,719
in a TRS ambulance, but it was lees that
was doing the staffing.

628
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:10,320
A little bit of comparison, CRS's 2024
year end results, 824 dispatches or But

629
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:15,040
approximately 330 calls were missed
because of no crew.

630
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:20,480
Now somebody said earlier we talked
about response time.

631
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:25,360
The response time
someone said on a Facebook post that

632
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:29,920
somebody else sent to me because I don't
read the Facebook post. They sent it to

633
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:37,199
me and someone had said about three
minutes or longer in any type of cardiac

634
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:42,159
arrest is
it it just doesn't work. It's not you're

635
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:48,640
not going to be able to save a person.
So when we looked at the response times

636
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:54,560
that TRS gave us, we were looking at 2
minutes, which is great, 44%.

637
01:13:52,320 --> 01:14:01,280
2 to four minutes, then it starts to
climb and at 6 to 8 minutes, 30%. That

638
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:08,159
was their response time.
>> So what does that say?

639
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:12,960
» Where are they? So that's and and I I'm
glad you said that because that's not

640
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:20,480
what response time is. According to
Burlington County Central, response time

641
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:25,360
is the time the call goes out to let's
say Hampton Lakes

642
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,960
» and the ambulance responds that they're
on the way.

643
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:30,480
» Two different things.
>> Two different things.

644
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,760
» 500 calls.
>> Quiet,

645
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,640
» right?
>> No, don't quite me.

646
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:40,600
» So I just need you to understand that
because that was I I had no idea that

647
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:50,640
the time that the call goes out and the
ambulance leaves the building.

648
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:53,040
» They were volunteers in 2024. They're
paid out.

649
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:57,120
» Excuse me. Can I I have something to
say. Go ahead.

650
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:00,600
» Just take over.
>> So TR2

651
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:12,320
» they had 5,000 hours staff with the duty
crew for calls. But when we did the the

652
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:17,199
numbers, there were 8,600
hours of duty time.

653
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:21,679
So these other hours, and these are the
numbers they gave us, means there's no

654
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:26,159
duty crew.
This was their major reports. These were

655
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:29,159
their response times based on the
numbers.

656
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:43,360
So TRS nor the committee and this is
important.

657
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:51,040
TRS nor the committee.
We tried TRS nor the committee would

658
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:56,320
find any agencies that were willing to
partner with them.

659
01:15:53,280 --> 01:16:03,679
20 2025 results as presented to the
committee showed little improvement.

660
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:10,400
And this is with anti Now, TRS has known
since 2022 there was a concern with

661
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:16,480
providing the consistent patient care
due to staffing. And to date, while they

662
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:22,560
are responding to more calls, they're
not all responding from the station.

663
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:27,920
Home response is an accepted practice
which increases time to get to the

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01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:33,120
patients in our community. The committee
recognized this long history of success.

665
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:38,480
I recognize
nine and a half years ago.

666
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:46,320
I recognize the success. I've been here
for over 50 years,

667
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:49,320
but this not the same TRS
TRS.

668
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:59,679
» They're better
for our residents. That's what's

669
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:03,760
Shame on you.
>> For the helicopter, for your daughter,

670
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:08,159
» right? Shame on you.
>> Our current providers, based on the

671
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:12,960
information they've provided, are not
making approximately 30% of the calls.

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01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:17,600
surrounding towns which we rely on to
assist or even take a call in our own

673
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:22,960
town that we do not respond to are
exhausting their resources and they have

674
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:29,360
stated that they will not shoulder the
burden any longer as they are needed

675
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:34,560
needing a solid partner. Some crews are
running from their home when on duty.

676
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:38,159
The details of an agreement are being
uh finalized and will be provided once

677
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,600
they're executed.
>> So you don't have any So when when are

678
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:45,760
they allowed to
>> the four bases of the shared service

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01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:49,920
agreement will place two fully equipped
ambulances in 134 new roads

680
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:57,600
» from where
>> two qualified EMTs will be stationed at

681
01:17:53,040 --> 01:18:02,880
134 new roads 247.
All shifts will be staffed with in-house

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01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:08,239
EMTs and additionally there will be an
added ambulance staff during high volume

683
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:13,520
periods but dedicated for township
events and football games

684
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:18,239
» where you get an ambulance
of staffing by leadership to meet the

685
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:22,239
needs of this community.
>> You need four EMTs for two ambulances.

686
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:27,370
» We realize
>> who's paying for it.

687
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:30,470
» We realize that change is scary.
[Applause]

688
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:45,120
We also realize that no matter who we go
with, no matter what EMS provider comes

689
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:49,719
up, it's going to cost because our TSRs
leadership told us it was going to cost.

690
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:10,880
[Applause]
We maintain no cost to resident

691
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:15,520
transportation. The new road building
will be staffed 24/7. There'll be a

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01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:20,560
lower response time for the first
ambulance. We're going to maintain the

693
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:23,440
clinical standards and meet the patient
needs.

694
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:26,960
» So what happens when they go out on the
call? You have other 30 members that can

695
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:31,760
volunteer.
>> The change in EMS providers is being

696
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:37,440
done to provide our residents the best
service available with proven EMS

697
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:41,520
providers.
There will be improvement in the

698
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:45,920
coverage. Our current plans result in
more crews available for calls and

699
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:51,360
tabernacle strong residents who are
uninsured or who have deductible or

700
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:56,080
co-pays will continue not to pay out of
pocket for 911

701
01:19:53,570 --> 01:20:02,640
[Music]
>> and before I finish I'm just going to

702
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:05,760
» address the social media.
>> I'll just throw it away. I'll put it in

703
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:09,679
your mailbox. um social media
information misinformation

704
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:16,000
EMS coverage plans were not shared with
terrorists so they had no basis on which

705
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:21,520
to make those comments and spread fear
actual results were misstated in social

706
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:30,040
media regarding the need for mutual aid
and no proof calls and real estate

707
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:30,040
matters did not factor in on EMS

708
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:39,600
and as
we We don't cond condone using Facebook

709
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:42,800
to promote ourselves on people's worst
day of our lives.

710
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:46,320
This is
>> not acceptable medical personnel

711
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:53,140
practices
>> and using family worst day of sympathy

712
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:57,060
» is just not
[Applause]

713
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:07,320
» if anybody would like to information

714
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:14,000
a
Burlington.nj

715
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:19,920
us
all the information we got there.

716
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:24,679
» Why don't you tell the truth about why
Apple gets to the agreement with Lepre?

717
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:32,180
» You have no clue.
[Applause]

718
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:36,360
» Turn the lights on.

719
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:59,600
We would like to continue the meeting,
but it has to be ordered. We have rules

720
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:03,440
and the rules need to be followed. If
the rules are not followed, the meeting

721
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:07,679
will be terminated. I'll ask for motion
and we'll terminate the meeting. So if

722
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:12,800
you want to be heard, be orderly and be
heard one at a time. Make sure you get

723
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:17,639
three minutes.
We have not

724
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:17,639
yet

725
01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:52,529
[Music]

726
01:22:53,280 --> 01:23:00,239
It is on your mind. I was told that is
also taking over.

727
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:05,679
So they think you're taking a little bit
on a little bit more than they can chew.

728
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,679
They think they're going to respond.

729
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,320
It's all because

730
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:26,320
why can't you
both share it or just go back to town

731
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:30,639
hall or just go back to town?
I'm sorry. I I lived here all my life

732
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:34,400
and I can tell you one thing. I'm
embarrassed to say I didn't tabernacle

733
01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:39,600
anymore. And that's the guy's honest
truth. They've been a squad for 73

734
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:47,280
years. So few years we had a problem.
Big deal. Every other squad problem

735
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:51,400
can't even keep covering up their
team. Nothing against the

736
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,800
ridiculous.

737
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:07,600
» It's wrong.
>> Yes.

738
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:13,400
[Applause]
Thank you. Make sure you tell my mom I

739
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:13,400
did cuz she swore I won't be arrested.

740
01:24:27,890 --> 01:24:33,560
[Music]
She spoke.

741
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:46,920
» Can we give our three minutes to the
squad?

742
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,079
[Applause]

743
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:03,719
as citizens.
>> If there are

744
01:25:05,340 --> 01:25:11,449
[Applause]
[Music]

745
01:25:20,150 --> 01:25:26,350
[Applause]
[Music]

746
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:41,440
Chief
Rescue Squad. I'm the president of

747
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:46,000
Tabernacle Rescue Squad. Steen Kramer,
assistant chief of the Tabernacle.

748
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,159
Thank you.
>> Thank you.

749
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:05,360
» So, real quick, I'm gonna answer.
>> Speak up, George.

750
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:10,080
» All right.
>> I usually don't get a microphone.

751
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:16,480
» Can you hear me now?
>> Okay. So, 22 to 24. I'll answer that

752
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:21,199
real quick. Yes, we are having a daytime
response issue and we work on that and

753
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:26,239
we originally entered an agreement with
Lumberton EMS to provide our coverage

754
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:31,120
towards that. That is a true state
because we saw the issue we had changing

755
01:26:28,719 --> 01:26:34,400
in volunteers changing we all work shift
work and then suddenly got different

756
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:40,320
positions in our lives and that's what
created that issue. So we did that and

757
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:45,120
the original plan was to do a merger and
we tried to do a large region merger

758
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:50,480
sort of what they're trying to do now
but every squad was bringing something

759
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:57,199
to the table okay be it personnel be it
equipment be it money be it whatever

760
01:26:53,520 --> 01:27:02,400
that's what the idea was from 22 to 24
we struggle as a volunteer agency yes we

761
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:08,960
miss calls at night I'm not here to deny
that okay but

762
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:12,719
We were working towards a merger with
Lumberton. We tried to involve

763
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:23,120
Southampton and they stepped out at
home. So we worked through that towards

764
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:28,560
the middle to later of 24. That stopped.
Okay.

765
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:33,199
and we approached um Hampton Lakes
Emergency Squad, which to this date is

766
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:38,000
an agency that is more than willing to
work with us and wants to do a regional

767
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:44,920
service in the Highlands community to
provide the service to our town. Okay.

768
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,920
As of yesterday,

769
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:51,520
so
in September, we came in here, we made a

770
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:56,320
presentation, we made a presentation in
October in the other two towns.

771
01:27:54,480 --> 01:28:02,080
wasn't the agencies that didn't want to
do it. We were stopped by the town.

772
01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:07,199
We came to the town. Now, we're both
private 501c3s. We could just merge our

773
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:14,800
agencies, but we understand we wanted
the community buy in and support. And we

774
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:19,760
came to the town and asked for support.
We had a meeting in February with them.

775
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:23,360
We outlined several different options of
the way things could be. We spent three

776
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:27,199
and a half hours explaining the
difference between the fire service and

777
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:32,880
the MS service in our towns and in our
area and how things will work, how

778
01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:38,560
things were funded all the way through.
We never heard from the town again. We

779
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:43,280
asked.
Same thing in Shim. Suddenly we got

780
01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:47,679
stonewalled. Nobody wanted to talk to
us. We knew that they were talking to

781
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:53,040
other people, but we never heard from
anybody until August 11th. We got a

782
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:59,280
phone call. Hey, can you meet us an hour
before the meeting? And that's when we

783
01:28:54,560 --> 01:29:04,960
got our 90 days notice. Yes. In 2025,
we had a plan. We were going to merge

784
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:08,960
with Hampton Lakes Emergency Squad using
their personnel and the personnel that

785
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:12,080
we were onboarding and bringing in the
funding and the equipment of the

786
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:16,960
vehicles.
We would have made it work, but we were

787
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:22,000
stopped by other people.
Okay. So then on December 18th, we had

788
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:27,199
to figure out through the Christmas
holiday how to put staffing on and in

789
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:31,360
seven months and I know they print out
numbers and we missed 30% of calls. So

790
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:38,159
these are my notes from the other night.
So in July we had 111 calls

791
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:44,719
30 were missed 30%.
6.3 time 6.3% of the time though we were

792
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:51,040
already somewhere else. So that number
comes down to 23%.

793
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:56,960
We provided 19.8% mutual aid runs or 22
calls. Another 10. In August, our calls

794
01:29:53,920 --> 01:30:02,560
went up to 132.
25.76

795
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:08,000
missed. 8.3 were because we were already
on another call. So that brings us down

796
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:14,320
to 17%.
August 29 mutual aid calls are 22%.

797
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:19,840
Mutual aid is a very important thing to
this region. Our transport times are too

798
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:26,440
long. Our average call, you saw it, that
crew left right after 6:00. They're not

799
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:26,440
back yet.

800
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:34,719
Okay. We rely on mutual aid. The
tabernacle rescue squad. Correct. That

801
01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:39,600
day that she spoke of, we got three
ambulances out and the rescue truck.

802
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:47,400
Okay.
There's nobody that can do that anymore.

803
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:47,400
But we did it the other night.

804
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,719
Thank you.

805
01:30:56,639 --> 01:31:04,320
These these volunteers, my members have
been here for 30 plus years. I have 31

806
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:08,320
years in the service. I'm second of
three generations. Six people in my

807
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:14,520
family are either serving or have served
onto this squad and provided 52 years.

808
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:22,320
We are trying our best. We love our
town. We'll do anything. We miss

809
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:27,840
birthdays, holidays, all kinds of stuff.
We see some of the most horrific things.

810
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:32,639
But we come out here. We are trying.
We're trying our best. We need a little

811
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:36,560
time. If you look at those two agencies
that they discussed, Hampton Lakes and

812
01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:41,520
Lumberton, when they went through this
10 years ago, they're they went through

813
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:48,360
the exact same thing that we are going
through right now. The difference was is

814
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:48,360
they were given time and support.

815
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:57,120
» You guys are here. Yes.
>> How much it cost to staff two Lumberton

816
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:59,520
rigs here 247. And what does the
township

817
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:02,239
» two lumber rigs is not what being
offered? I want to make that clear.

818
01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:04,960
What's being offered is two rigs in our
building. That's what's been said in

819
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:08,719
Shimang, what was set here tonight.
Those are two different agencies. One of

820
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:13,040
those towns has said that rig is not
coming here and one of those towns is

821
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:16,239
only covering the daytime. But to answer
your question, for us, it's 400. What's

822
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:22,159
the rig cost?
>> For us to cover one ambulance 247 with

823
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:26,320
paid staffing, it's $498,000.
That's just

824
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:31,920
800,000. What does the council
currentwise?

825
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:35,199
Well, let me let me So, take this number
and this is why we came to the town for

826
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:40,480
support.
>> 4 It's 498,000

827
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:44,800
for staffing.
The best building year we ever had was

828
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:49,120
$375.
>> Okay. So, do the math. If anybody's

829
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:52,719
parking a truck in our building,
they're going to be at a shortfall.

830
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:57,280
Where's that money coming from? Because
we were asking for money. Do you think

831
01:32:55,280 --> 01:33:03,360
those other towns are going to write
that off or pay that off?

832
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:06,880
» It's coming.
>> That chief said in an email to this

833
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:11,600
council or committee, excuse me, in the
wrong township, this committee that she

834
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:15,679
was not making money, that she was
losing money every time she turned. That

835
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:20,280
money has to be made up. You said you
got quotes. My question would be why

836
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:35,600
the frequent township meetings. I stood
up because there was a letter sent by

837
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:39,120
Lumberton Township solicitor and
administrator referenced who was

838
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:43,040
covering us in January and I had to
stand up and give an explanation and

839
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:48,400
actually somebody from committee said
why was somebody trying to stay in your

840
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:53,920
town and my comment I made was well they
must make money. Well that got back and

841
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:59,679
we got an email that said that Lumberton
emergency squad in the two and a half

842
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:05,040
years they were here lost money.
So they're not going to keep doing that.

843
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:09,120
So it's coming from somewhere. We came
up with a model. We came up with

844
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:13,920
something that would work,
>> but nobody will talk to us.

845
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:18,320
» And that's the problem. I don't know. I
wish I knew. I Well, actually

846
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:23,199
» because when we got called into the
meeting and we we got told that they

847
01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:28,320
were doing a shared service and that we
had 90 days to get out of our building

848
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:33,600
and and 90 days. And I said, "Why?" And
I was told

849
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:36,600
Nobody wants to work together and nobody
likes

850
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:47,920
» people. So why is there
>> that's why she lives in tabernacle and

851
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:50,920
works in tabernacle.
>> So

852
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:56,760
» who said that?
>> Oh,

853
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:03,679
» we all like it.
They don't like a couple things just for

854
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:07,520
you guys to understand. When we've gone
and talked to these townships, we asked

855
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:11,840
for $100,000.
>> On average, that's $40 per house in this

856
01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:15,280
town per year.
>> Wow.

857
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:19,840
» $40.
>> And when we had done our plan with the

858
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:24,960
original merger with Lumberton, we were
asking for 150 from each town. So, I

859
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:28,639
don't understand how the math checks
out. Now, they can come into our town

860
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:34,080
and tell you guys that they're going to
do it for free, but soft billing. Soft

861
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:37,679
billing doesn't cover it. You guys made
it perfectly clear that that soft

862
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:41,760
billing doesn't cover it. We made it
clear. I told you in the reports that I

863
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:45,840
made it clear. And what we asked you for
was for more money so that we could pay

864
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:49,120
these crews. That's what we asked you
guys for. We sat down with you in

865
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:52,960
February. We talked to you guys in
October. We started these things and

866
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:57,040
talked to you guys and said, "Look, if
we're going to put crews on and run from

867
01:35:55,280 --> 01:36:01,199
the building. Like you had noted, yes,
we do still run from home. We pay guys

868
01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:05,760
less money to run from home because it's
something that saves our agency money.

869
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:09,679
It's something that we decided we had to
do. Does it increase response times?

870
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:12,239
Yeah. It's about 8 minutes, I think, is
what the report says. Don't quote me.

871
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:16,480
The township has it if you guys want to
over request it. All right. But what it

872
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:21,040
comes down to is if you guys want people
in the building, it's going to be a

873
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:25,440
minimum of $23 an hour. I think
Lumberton's paying $30 an hour on the

874
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:29,840
weekends, but they don't want weekends.
Pant Lakes gets that

875
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:35,040
because that's more money that they're
going to have to out. Our budget is

876
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:39,360
close to $280,000. That's what it is to
run our organization without payroll.

877
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:43,760
That's what we have been using for the
past 73 years in order to keep this

878
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:48,400
organization alive.
>> We used to give volunteer stipen

879
01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:54,480
programs that was less than $100,000
as of December 31st. Then we started

880
01:36:51,440 --> 01:37:00,000
paying people. It cost $498,000 to pay
people, right? And George noted it. You

881
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:04,000
can't bring in the money from billing
revenue. Maybe it's a bigger problem

882
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:07,520
that comes from the top and from uh
Medicare and everything like that that

883
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:11,280
the money is not coming back to us, but
it does not cover the crew. If our

884
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:14,400
residents want an ambulance in town,
they need to make it known that they're

885
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:25,040
willing to pay that amount of money.
>> And we are.

886
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:30,480
[Applause]
Don't don't misconrue this guys. We we

887
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:33,600
will stand behind Lumberton. We will
stand behind Hampton Lakes. Those

888
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:38,320
organizations have come and they've
helped us immensely over the years.

889
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:41,840
George and I, we were talking about it
last week. You have Hampton Lakes who

890
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,400
when they were having rough patches, we
were the truck in there. Our truck went

891
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:50,239
halfway across the county. We ended up
in Mount Holly sometimes. And that's how

892
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:54,719
this this uh that's how EMS works. They
come to us, we go to them, and yeah, we

893
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:58,000
miss a couple calls because we're trying
to get people on. I have five people

894
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:01,679
that applied once they gave us our
90-day termination agreement. And now

895
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:04,239
one of them's already backed out because
he doesn't know where we're going to be

896
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:08,080
in 60 days.
>> So that's a guy that I could have on the

897
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:11,440
truck on a Sunday that could actually
run for us. But because of your

898
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:16,520
decision, I don't have a guy on the
truck almost.

899
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:16,520
Your decision

900
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:25,520
I don't know that I need this mic
either. I'm a school teacher. Obviously,

901
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:29,280
given my motif, this is what I do for
day. But I'm going to I want to address

902
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:32,880
the committee as well. I know that we're
we're out here talking a whole lot about

903
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:38,320
numbers. When I said that I'm both the
proud assistant chief of the West

904
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:42,800
institute, but last time I was here, I
was talking about a shortsighted and

905
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:47,119
quick decision to tear down a historical
structure in town. This town rallied.

906
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:51,679
They rallied when there was a bulldozer
at the door. And here I am again now

907
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:57,040
speaking as a rescue squad assistant
chief with a bulldozer at the door 60

908
01:38:54,320 --> 01:39:00,320
days before I go home with numbers that
are old and don't make sense. You heard

909
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:04,639
it tonight, right?
>> We've gone from 33% which we admit. We

910
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:07,920
have to admit it. We're the ones that
gave you the numbers you're running the

911
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:11,679
reports on. We're not afraid to give you
those numbers and we're not. But we also

912
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:14,960
can tell you we're down to 17 in the
month of August. Before I was the

913
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:18,880
assistant chief of tabernacle, I was an
assistant chief of Memphis. I was one of

914
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:23,520
the first paid employees in London. I
too had summer chap school and we didn't

915
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:28,159
offer it.
I've been on this I've been on the side

916
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:32,960
of this transition as an employee and as
a president and a assistant chief in

917
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:36,639
Memphis. It's a hard transition to make.
I will say this as my as a leader in

918
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:40,080
Meetford, we didn't do it the greatest
in the very beginning, but we got there.

919
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:43,600
Lumberton didn't do it the greatest, but
they got there. They got there with the

920
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:47,520
support of their committees and their
councils and the residents. We have one

921
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:53,199
of those things. I feel like we don't
have the other in 8 months because of

922
01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:57,679
the experience the leadership team here
brings. We've taken that number from

923
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:00,560
something that scared you in February to
something that's within shooting

924
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:05,119
distance of one of the agencies that
you're going to have replace. The only

925
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:11,119
agency likes that shared those numbers
with us is at 12%. We're at 17. You're

926
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:15,920
now asking that agency on weekends and
nights to take over the entire call

927
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:22,239
volume of both agencies, either of which
takes all their calls. We ran 22% mutual

928
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:26,719
aid last month. Most of that mutual aid
was to Southampton who's going to have

929
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:30,560
to now cover all of our calls. Those
lumbering crews that give you this great

930
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:34,880
number of response time, I get it. I'm
one of those guys in the middle of the

931
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:38,800
night. I can tell you it takes me less
time to get to this building and get out

932
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:42,480
on the street to the actual call because
you're right, there's a difference

933
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:46,320
between response time and on scene time.
Our on scene time when alarming truck is

934
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:50,560
dynamically staging, which is one of the
things our leadership identified as an

935
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:54,080
issue because they're calling it. It's
not because they're a bad agency. It's

936
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:58,000
because we got to run the calls to make
the cash. That's how this is set up.

937
01:40:56,239 --> 01:41:01,280
It's not like a fire department where we
say these are our bills. Please pay

938
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:06,080
them. We have to figure that out on our
own. and we have for over 70 years. But

939
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:09,040
when that truck dynamically stages
because it's got to run those calls in

940
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:13,679
longer now paying for it back up
Morstown, make that money, it may sign

941
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:17,520
on in a minute or two. It's not in
tabernacle in a minute or two. It's

942
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:22,960
there a lot longer than it takes me to
get up out of bed and get in there with

943
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:27,600
my tribe and get to see the numbers are
the numbers. We can parse them out six

944
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:31,679
ways from Sunday and there's an old
quote there. There's lying, damn line

945
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:35,920
statistics, right? We're standing behind
our numbers.

946
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:39,040
But this isn't about numbers. This is
about people.

947
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:43,119
» I'm a history teacher. We're story guys.
So, let me tell you a story since you've

948
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:47,679
already told. I am one of those faces
that came out of that door n years ago.

949
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:52,040
And to say that this is a different TRS
is an insult to me.

950
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:52,040
» Absolutely.

951
01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:56,440
behind

952
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:05,760
my desk along with her friend that was
on that quad and another f another one

953
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:08,880
of my former students who I put in a
helicopter that year along with her

954
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:13,360
daughter and the other girl. They all
walked to graduation. The people that

955
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:17,360
are wearing tabernacle shirts in this
room performed a miracle that day. I

956
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:22,000
don't use that lightly and I don't use
it often, but I'll use it here.

957
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:26,560
I got to make a decision as a leader
like George did because I had three

958
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:29,199
ambulances right behind me.
>> I got to make the same decision down the

959
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:32,159
street
>> when we had a horrific accident and

960
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:35,440
people keep talking about bring these
things up. We should talk about it

961
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:39,679
because this is what our people are
doing.

962
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:43,600
» It isn't numbers. It's people
n and a half years after you said it's

963
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:47,600
our natural rescue squad of old as well.
The other night I was coming back from

964
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:50,480
Marlton. I got called to Peppan has done
very much what we're talking about doing

965
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:53,760
here. They have one truck. Sometimes
they have two if it makes money, but

966
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:58,880
most of the time they have one. I got
called from in front of the check on

967
01:42:56,239 --> 01:43:03,520
Route 70 to go for a pediatric burn
victim. They needed a second truck. I

968
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:07,360
was the closest one available. 32
minutes. Now, my right foot got there a

969
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:10,400
little faster, but there State Police in
the room. I don't want to tell you how

970
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:14,000
fast they did that, but I was there and
we put that child in my helicopter. They

971
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:18,320
didn't have a choice of three ambulances
like I did the other night or like I did

972
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:23,520
when your daughter crashed. And they're
not have that ability. Any of these

973
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:29,119
people in the road, you sent me home.
We asked to talk to you. You shook our

974
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:33,119
hands in February when you stood in our
our building was full. I was having it

975
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:36,880
was a great night, right? The training
room was full. The Girl Scouts were

976
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:40,560
learning CPR. I was doing check, shaking
your hands, and you were telling us how

977
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:44,639
what what a great organization we ran.
And then it went silent. And I've heard

978
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:48,239
the same speech. I heard parts of the
same speech I heard tonight in

979
01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:52,080
Lumberton. And I heard the same speech
in Shimang and I have to wonder where

980
01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:56,960
that's coming from because they're given
by different people. All we're being all

981
01:43:54,480 --> 01:44:01,679
we're asking is for a chance to continue
the conversation. There isn't You hear

982
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:05,600
the passion in all three of our voices.
We're here for tabernacles. My mother,

983
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:08,159
if she was in the room, the saint that
she is, would love for this to go

984
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:12,239
through. I think she's going to buy a
cake on day 61. She's going to say,

985
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:15,360
"Steve, you've been doing this for too
long and have been beat up for too

986
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:20,400
long." I have stood in front of this
committee here. I stood in the town hall

987
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:23,360
and made these same conversations and my
picture is going to be in the news

988
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:28,080
again.
And it's because I want to serve. That's

989
01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:32,239
all I'm asking to do. That's all any of
us are asking to do. We're asking for a

990
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:36,560
seat at the table. I over 20 years in
emergency services, both in fire and EMS

991
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:41,679
and forest fire. I've been a leader in
other towns, towns that you went to to

992
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:47,199
talk to, and yet I wasn't worth a seat
at the table to have a conversation

993
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:50,400
about the town that I love.
Shame on you.

994
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:53,199
» I'm Listen, I'll take my birthday back
this year and won't be on top of a

995
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:57,199
truck. I'm not going to say it because
we're children. But there are more than

996
01:44:55,360 --> 01:45:01,119
just there is more than just the
ambulances. You mentioned some of the

997
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:05,440
things, the rescue truck, the off-road,
the community support that we get. It's

998
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:10,320
all gone. You don't have a replacement
for that. What you have is one ambulance

999
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:12,880
and somebody who's not the three of us
that's going to have to make a decision

1000
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:16,960
that I didn't have to make five and a
half years ago. or somebody else in this

1001
01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:22,930
room. Which one of those girls goes in
the ambulance I have? And which one

1002
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:35,679
waits for an ambulance with another 10.
[Applause]

1003
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:39,119
I love my friends in Hampton Lakes. I'm
a church member over there. I say my

1004
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:42,960
grandma and grandpa are all in South
Hampton. Give us the chance to come back

1005
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:46,400
and talk to you about the merger that
support these highland communities or

1006
01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:51,040
give us the chance to talk about how we
can do it. We didn't let lumbering go.

1007
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:54,880
We let lumbering go with paid staff in
the house. I am the Listen, I love being

1008
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:57,920
a volunteer. Been a volunteer my entire
life, but technically because I signed

1009
01:45:56,159 --> 01:46:01,840
my paperwork before everybody else. I'm
the first paid employee in Tabernacle

1010
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:05,679
Rescue Squad's history. The reason I'm
showing up has not changed. Even though

1011
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:08,800
I got minimum wage for coming from home
at night,

1012
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:13,840
» we did it so that we could move staff
around to make this happen.

1013
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:19,600
can reduce in August over 80% of the
time. You're chucking that and saying

1014
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:24,560
that this community, Shimong, and this
Highlands region is better served with

1015
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:28,880
one, two, three, like it was the other
night, less ambulances and none of the

1016
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:32,880
support we bring. All we're asking for
is a shot. I hope that you decide to

1017
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:36,000
resend this vote. I hope that you do a
little bit more homework. It sounds like

1018
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:40,080
you're asking good questions. I wish you
as the people that are actually doing it

1019
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:46,280
for you and want to continue to do it. I
don't want to go home as much as my mom

1020
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:46,280
will buy that day. I hope this

1021
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:07,480
Again,

1022
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:30,480
I appreciate the support. I thought it
was crazy. I walked around hall and uh I

1023
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:34,760
think that
um this is

1024
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:46,800
we wanted the opportunity to sit. We had
some other ideas how to do it and you

1025
01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:52,480
know couple years ago we made this
decision to make um fire company and

1026
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:57,440
fire department because of certain
things. I laid out a plan and how we can

1027
01:47:55,040 --> 01:48:03,520
do that with EMS, but we should do it in
a way that is smart. We hold it's not as

1028
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:08,880
simple and clearcut. Again, beautiful
services, the fire, everything. It's why

1029
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:14,000
you don't the building license, all that
stuff that all takes time to set all

1030
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:18,480
that up. I would love nothing more for
us to have paid personnel here that work

1031
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:24,639
for the township and get a pension
benefits because I I listen I retired

1032
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:28,960
six years ago as a police officer. I
know what it's like to be a public

1033
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:36,199
servant and my police officer job was no
worse than what I do now. Okay? It's

1034
01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:36,199
just different. It's just different.

1035
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:45,840
We need to be given the opportunity. We
made a huge shift in our agency. huge

1036
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:52,880
shift that most agencies around us. It
took them more than a year to do. And

1037
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:56,560
those agencies were supported by us and
our neighbors to the north is more than

1038
01:48:54,719 --> 01:49:00,639
happy to continue to support us because
they see the work that we're doing and

1039
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:05,520
where we're getting.
They wouldn't have nothing to emerge and

1040
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:09,440
make it the Southampton Shan
organizations.

1041
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:13,119
We went to Shan the other night and met
and talked to them and basically what we

1042
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:16,800
got was they felt like they were
handcuffed because you guys made the

1043
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:19,840
decision or you told them that we were
gone. So they had to make the same

1044
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:25,360
decision cuz they were worried about
their coverage.

1045
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:29,840
So let's take this opportunity. Let's
reset and let's sit down and actually

1046
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:35,440
come up with a plan. I'm not going to
lie, it's going to cost money,

1047
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:41,280
» but there's no other way to do it. I
don't and I I used this the other night

1048
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:46,080
when we had our open house. I called the
the trash trucks here. All towns have

1049
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:50,480
their own trash trucks. Okay. They got a
bunch of employees and cost a bunch of

1050
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:55,119
money. At some point, somebody comes up
with a great idea and some service walks

1051
01:49:52,239 --> 01:50:01,600
in and says, "We'll do it." What's the
town doing?

1052
01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:05,920
And then all the trash can
and three years down the road comes up.

1053
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:12,560
What happens?
Contract comes up and now it's paying.

1054
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:18,560
» We go. We're gone. There's no coming
back.

1055
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:22,880
If we were running 30% of our calls and
missing 70%. I would have probably

1056
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:26,880
walked up here and said, "We need to do
something and you guys need to get help

1057
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:32,880
me figure it out." So, we're out. But
that's not what we're doing.

1058
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:40,560
I for all that we have done for this
community. have one meeting and that was

1059
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:45,119
it. And then to get called in and told
you're done in 90 days and then I even

1060
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:48,880
asked, well listen, okay, we operate for
90 days. Are you going to give us at

1061
01:50:46,719 --> 01:50:52,239
least a couple days to get out? No,
you're done in 90 days.

1062
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:58,320
» Disgraceful.
>> That's how we were told. And then when I

1063
01:50:54,560 --> 01:51:02,960
asked why, we were told
because nobody wants to work with me.

1064
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:07,520
» And that's not true. That's absolutely
not true. There are people that don't

1065
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:11,159
want to work with me. Okay, I get it.
>> I'll work with you.

1066
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:21,600
» In the end of the day, I I'm not sure
what form of this, but

1067
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:27,520
you need to reset. We need to go back
and you need to give us the opportunity

1068
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:31,360
and we need to sit down and have a real
conversation about this and talk about

1069
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:37,639
it.
The numbers are the numbers. I just one

1070
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,639
way you do another

1071
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:48,000
» but again it's about our residents and
our doing the best. We are working to

1072
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:54,480
get better. I feel if we had a a solid
funding source from our town

1073
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:58,560
then it would allow us to hire people
with a more permanent basis to make it

1074
01:51:56,480 --> 01:52:03,199
better and make it and we could be an
example to

1075
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:06,560
I think that the Hampton charger that I
presented in the end of September

1076
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:11,679
beginning October was probably the best
and most costefficient for the town but

1077
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:15,360
I think that's a hard conversation that
we have to have and I think the politics

1078
01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:20,320
have to come
because

1079
01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:24,719
without throwing people under the bus
and and I'm not saying it's necessarily

1080
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:29,599
you in the room. There's other people
out in the world that are causing

1081
01:52:26,719 --> 01:52:36,199
trouble and we know it. Everybody knows
it. So, let's move on. again. Thank you.

1082
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:54,760
All of you, everybody in this room who
will always be here to support you. Um,

1083
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:54,760
I thank you for your time.

1084
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:20,040
Think about it.

1085
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:26,199
» Now save the squad.

1086
01:53:27,500 --> 01:53:32,480
[Music]
Boulevard

1087
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:39,440
here from Monarch Woods, a new
development that was built 2022. We all

1088
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:45,840
paid roughly $17,000 in taxes
reserve over there to pay taxes over 100

1089
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:51,840
homes almost $2 million since 2022. We
can't give you $40 per home to have paid

1090
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:56,320
uh EMS squad. That's ridiculous.
Absolutely ridiculous. I mean, brand new

1091
01:53:54,159 --> 01:54:09,550
community our whiskey who are here to
support TRS

1092
01:53:58,740 --> 01:54:09,550
[Applause]

1093
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:20,159
Holly Bush New Jersey.
Ladies and gentlemen, fellow residents

1094
01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:26,719
of Shimong and Tabernacle Township, we
gather to discuss a decision that will

1095
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:33,760
echo through our communities.
Ending our shared service agreement with

1096
01:54:29,679 --> 01:54:42,719
the Tabernacle Rescue Squad for nearly
70 72 years, this volunteer driven squad

1097
01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:50,880
answered our calls for help day and
night, night and day, building trust and

1098
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:54,719
saving lives across both tabernacle and
Shimal

1099
01:54:53,199 --> 01:55:00,560
fact.
On August 5th, the Schwam Township

1100
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:07,599
Committee voted unanimously
to invoke a 90day cancellation clause,

1101
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:11,400
ending our partnership with the
tabernacle resolver

1102
01:55:12,100 --> 01:55:15,209
[Music]

1103
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:28,199
overlooked critical local variables.

1104
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:38,960
As someone whose own family faces
multiple lists of medical complications

1105
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:45,280
and issues
ranging from, let's see, type one

1106
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:54,800
diabetes, um, lupus,
um, old age, just the list of

1107
01:55:50,719 --> 01:56:02,880
I know firsthand how vital rapid
response is. Every delay intensify

1108
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:11,840
anxiety when a loved one's helps
in the balance. Losing immediate access

1109
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:19,360
to a nearby squad isn't just municipal a
municipal issue.

1110
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:22,679
It is personal for families like mine
and theirs.

1111
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:35,040
Every second counts when a neighbor
suffers a cardiac arrest, serious

1112
01:56:29,679 --> 01:56:44,880
injuries, or an acute allergic reaction.
Tabernacle rescue squad volunteers live

1113
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:50,000
just around the corner with just
familiar with

1114
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:56,560
schools.
Outsourcing to more distant lives can

1115
01:56:53,360 --> 01:57:04,199
add crucial limits to their arrival
directly affecting survival weights and

1116
01:57:00,239 --> 01:57:04,199
longterm outcomes.

1117
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:12,360
» Beyond emergency response
and body are shared.

1118
01:57:15,150 --> 01:57:25,170
[Applause]

1119
01:57:27,599 --> 01:57:32,199
My name is Anderson. I live.

1120
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:39,599
I just wanted to let you know that as a
horse owner, do you know that Tabernacle

1121
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:46,560
Rescue Squad is the number one person
that we would call if a horse is stuck

1122
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:49,880
in the bus? Do you see me? I'm 5 foot.
is a thous

1123
01:57:50,170 --> 01:57:53,289
[Music]

1124
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:13,840
one rescue vehicle.
I should have that chance to have the

1125
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:19,760
three rescue vehicles there to rescue my
kids. All of our people from the rescue

1126
01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:24,800
squad are locals. They know the back
trail. They know how to get to board and

1127
01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:29,119
get a boat in that water and rescue
people.

1128
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:34,560
They are familiar. They are familiar
faces that when your baby is seizing on

1129
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:40,400
the floor and when that person runs
through your door and you see them, you

1130
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:45,280
come down. They give you a hug and they
take you to the They take you to the

1131
01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:52,159
hospital. They sit in the ambulance with
you, have a whole conversation with you,

1132
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:57,040
calm you down. It is a familiar face.
You trust them. As a parent, you calm

1133
01:58:55,520 --> 01:59:03,760
down.
Our rescue squad is very familiar with

1134
01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:09,440
Jack's work. I'm a teacher there. I know
that if something happens, Tabernacle

1135
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:17,040
will be there. on my way home today.
Tabernacle was at the town at the

1136
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:24,080
firehouse assisting Wood Ax student.
They were there. Tabernacle rescue squad

1137
01:59:20,159 --> 01:59:29,510
was there, not Woodland Township.
They are here to serve and protect us.

1138
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:36,960
They know it. They're
[Music]

1139
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:41,440
Steve Jackson. They are all committed.
They are residents and they want to help

1140
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:54,190
us.
[Applause]

1141
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:06,679
So about a year ago, I stood up here to
show you,

1142
02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:27,239
you know, and we were fighting
at that time this time for our family's

1143
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:35,239
farming operations
unfortunately

1144
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:35,239
respect

1145
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:47,840
I don't want to be up here
[Music]

1146
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:54,760
I have to fight every time
>> to come up here remind you

1147
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:54,760
This side of 206

1148
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:15,920
I don't want to be up here again
fighting for my family's health. We

1149
02:01:13,199 --> 02:01:20,560
can't do this. You know this. We got to
have them be able to support our

1150
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:28,159
community, our barns, and everybody's
health. You got to take this picture.

1151
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:34,719
I'm not doing it again. Farmers got you
have to do something good. You're only

1152
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:40,719
got to do something good. That's why I
signed up to help out. We need to do

1153
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:45,520
something good. And we haven't done that
since we opened the building.

1154
02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:49,280
We got to set and
for the next generation. That's why

1155
02:01:47,360 --> 02:02:02,740
we'll be up here.
And that's all.

1156
02:01:51,530 --> 02:02:02,740
[Applause]

1157
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:15,080
law enforcement

1158
02:02:34,719 --> 02:02:41,360
500,000,000
a year for salaries. That's about right.

1159
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:53,239
You mentioned roughly 300,000

1160
02:03:08,719 --> 02:03:17,040
I How much
final

1161
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:22,320
I think they build 900 bottles
and they're lucky to get maybe 300

1162
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:26,920
insurance.
I believe the township makes up the

1163
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:26,920
difference.

1164
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:50,199
I don't know.

1165
02:04:02,610 --> 02:04:10,899
[Applause]

1166
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:32,880
Hi. Um, I'm that last speaker, so I
can't go lower than this. My name is

1167
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:38,480
Connie Mice at 329 Road. I've been a
tabernacle resident for the past 48

1168
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:45,679
years. It's not so much a decision to
diminish a TRS team. It's more against

1169
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:49,760
county and that is most upsetting to me.
This whole situation is a little bit

1170
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:56,960
close to my heart. I've been in
healthcare for 51 years. uh in recently

1171
02:04:53,040 --> 02:05:01,040
last 20 with cardiology. Okay. So in
this line of work patients have always

1172
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:07,440
been first and foremost every single
minute of the day whether I'm in or not

1173
02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:12,400
with every emergency in cardiology. I'm
usually the one that's calling 911 and

1174
02:05:10,159 --> 02:05:17,599
I'm waiting at the top of that medicine
building waiting for the squad to come.

1175
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:22,480
3 to 5 minutes I know it's Tur Hill.
Okay. I'm waiting 510. Okay. It's not

1176
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:28,000
going to be Terry Hill. It's going to be
the next town. 15 minutes plus, we're

1177
02:05:25,679 --> 02:05:32,960
getting into a third town. Okay. I know
that from experience in the last 20

1178
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:39,679
years, been in that building for 2016.
So that's what, I don't know, 14 years.

1179
02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:44,960
All I'm saying is I know what it's like
to wait. When you're at home, it's

1180
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:48,880
different story. You don't have a
defibrillator. You don't have oxygen.

1181
02:05:46,719 --> 02:05:53,920
You don't have a code card. So you're at
home with whatever family member is in

1182
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:59,920
need and you're waiting and that wait
time is like an eternity. Okay? So it

1183
02:05:57,040 --> 02:06:04,800
could be life and death situation. I'm
also a businesswoman in what I do. The

1184
02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:09,199
one thing that's very important to me
when I have to make a decision, I'm

1185
02:06:07,199 --> 02:06:14,960
speaking with providers. I'm speaking
with employees for leadership to make

1186
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:20,400
form decisions that affects patients.
Okay? We sit down, we talk. the numbers

1187
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:25,119
are shown. These numbers didn't do
anything from a grace really didn't. It

1188
02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:30,800
was, you know, nothing against you, but
it wasn't given us a really good story

1189
02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:36,800
here. I like to talk to people who are
involved in the decision- making. Okay?

1190
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:40,400
You didn't have the main people who are
here that should have been in these

1191
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:47,040
meetings. You did not give them the
benefit of the doubt to be part of the

1192
02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:50,040
decision making. Shame on you. Okay. So,
only.

1193
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:58,159
We have to show our appreciation for the
72 years that they've been with us.

1194
02:06:55,280 --> 02:07:01,679
There has been no major complaints. I
don't really know where all this is

1195
02:06:59,679 --> 02:07:07,440
really coming from. I wish I knew from
your heart. I feel their passion. You

1196
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:11,920
hear my passion. Okay? And this is what
I don't put it on a shelf when I get

1197
02:07:09,119 --> 02:07:16,320
home. This is me. So, I'm just saying,
wouldn't it be nice for you to make a

1198
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:21,840
decision that could save a life? Because
with all of the patients come first and

1199
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:36,800
with everybody in this room, every one
of us is going to be a patient someday.

1200
02:07:25,830 --> 02:07:41,920
[Applause]
want to touch on a lot of topics.

1201
02:07:40,480 --> 02:07:45,199
First of all, I want to point out I
think your executive session tonight

1202
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:48,800
might have been illegal. I read the
statute. There's a number of exceptions

1203
02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:52,770
in there.
Not one of them is going to piss off the

1204
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:56,719
public.
[Applause]

1205
02:07:54,079 --> 02:08:01,360
Shouldn't really surprise that rules
because you know there's other issues

1206
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:07,760
that I think lately
mayor made it clear that some

1207
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:14,000
said that uh you were going to cancel
your contract with TRS. He made it

1208
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:18,719
absolutely clear. He said it publicly.
letter out there. No doubt about it.

1209
02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:22,239
Which means either you're saying he's
lying or you guys held an illegal

1210
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:26,760
meeting where you decided this because
you did not make one statement about

1211
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:33,679
your actual vote itself to do this. I
believe illegal.

1212
02:08:32,239 --> 02:08:36,239
I think I'll do it until after executive
session. By the way, you know, there

1213
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:41,599
will be states right after executive
session,

1214
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:45,760
but this is in a special meeting where
you have to publish the agenda as known

1215
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:48,719
at the time of the meeting scheduled.
You think one person in this room really

1216
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:52,000
believes you didn't know you're going to
be voting on that just a few days

1217
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:57,440
before. I believe I believe it was
published in Berlin County Times on the

1218
02:08:54,639 --> 02:09:01,760
July 31st I think less than two weeks
before you have a vote when the

1219
02:08:59,119 --> 02:09:07,840
subcommittees things were on the agenda.
I don't buy it

1220
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:14,520
back to your presentation for the facts
of not much in there. For example, you

1221
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:24,639
hammering um you made a number of
comments specifically about

1222
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:30,079
guess what come n years ago I stood up
before committee Mr. Gates made a got on

1223
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:33,920
a case about would I support contract on
TRS and at the time knowing that was not

1224
02:09:32,079 --> 02:09:38,480
a popular idea I said yes as long as
everybody knows what's in it and both

1225
02:09:35,679 --> 02:09:44,599
parties are great you don't like it from
home work on it in your contract just

1226
02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:44,599
cancel it

1227
02:09:45,420 --> 02:09:53,760
[Music]
how you went about this you were on the

1228
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:58,400
committee uh 10 11 years ago during the
whole fire district issue

1229
02:09:56,239 --> 02:10:01,920
Do you remember when you guys at the
time took a vote at the end of the

1230
02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:06,079
session that was not on the agenda
specific to terminating the the fire

1231
02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:09,360
district? Remember what happened? People
got pissed off that you didn't tell them

1232
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:13,679
that you had promised it was going to be
on the agenda and it wasn't. And you

1233
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:19,480
took that action anyway. I've always
said I was a believer on the tree, but

1234
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:19,480
come on. You had to

1235
02:10:19,790 --> 02:10:29,540
[Applause]

1236
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:37,239
I want to thank you for allowing to see
tonight.

1237
02:10:40,239 --> 02:10:44,440
So, as a local ER nurse,

1238
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:48,440
I can tell you that

1239
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:58,639
already.
We all live in the choice. But that

1240
02:10:56,639 --> 02:11:04,320
means that we're 20 to 30 minutes away
from any local hospital.

1241
02:11:02,239 --> 02:11:08,400
Um, there are medical emergencies where
time will make or break someone's

1242
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:13,840
wellbeing. Some examples include the
golden hour of

1243
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:17,000
90 minutes to
the time

1244
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:26,760
to repro
and

1245
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:30,040
the facts

1246
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:40,639
experts or even my husband the emergency
management commission

1247
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:40,639
would impact

1248
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:45,159
The quality of

1249
02:11:46,239 --> 02:11:55,300
that decision also
kicking out the members of the community

1250
02:11:53,119 --> 02:12:04,080
from the rescue
[Music]

1251
02:12:05,599 --> 02:12:09,199
at the expense of the tabernacle.

1252
02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:20,520
decision to allow tabernacle.

1253
02:12:20,850 --> 02:12:32,729
[Applause]

1254
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:43,679
» My name is Bill Ryan.
courts

1255
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:49,320
following this situation since secret
meetings that were pulled off

1256
02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:49,320
of

1257
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:58,400
the fact that they took your committee
action a week later

1258
02:12:55,520 --> 02:13:05,599
generated story on social media on the
12th frankly the floor I've spent my

1259
02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:10,719
whole life working on public policy I've
worked

1260
02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:15,520
municipal or whether the fact that you
all along with neighboring communities

1261
02:13:13,599 --> 02:13:19,199
like your mom would do these things
behind closed doors and then have a

1262
02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:23,040
presentation where you've already
pointed out numerous times that you've

1263
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:28,400
had concerns and not do anything about
it and not bring the people that are

1264
02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:34,000
responsible into have a discussion is
deplorable. But what makes it even worse

1265
02:13:31,360 --> 02:13:38,079
is this last at the end of last month
you were going to have a meeting and

1266
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:43,560
you're going to explain it to the people
and I come here and there's another

1267
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:43,560
saying I'm sorry

1268
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:54,719
to
you have put our community in sham in

1269
02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:59,199
jeopardy because your decision and the
fact that they want to go behind work

1270
02:13:56,560 --> 02:14:05,119
and have their own conversation
makes So that whatever his result is, I

1271
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:12,639
may wind up having service
30 to 45 units. You're going through six

1272
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:19,199
units there, maybe two,
but I get the focus that lumber EMS is a

1273
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:22,719
business.
They have a million dollar operation.

1274
02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:26,880
They got a paid staff. They do great
work. So this is a good business

1275
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:32,880
opportunity for them to start. You have
to fill the gap.

1276
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:37,520
The fact that they go and never say
anything for a week is an issue that

1277
02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:41,440
I'll give to them. But here it's pretty
clear to me you're doing this because

1278
02:14:39,199 --> 02:14:46,360
you have council building. You want to
take your building want to convert this

1279
02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:46,360
over

1280
02:14:48,290 --> 02:15:08,380
[Applause]
Absolutely.

1281
02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:08,380
[Music]

1282
02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:22,639
» You know where I stand on this. I have a
couple questions for you.

1283
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:27,440
I'm looking These two girls over here
are township managers

1284
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:34,819
and you're saying to me that qualifies
for $75.

1285
02:15:29,460 --> 02:15:34,819
[Music]

1286
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:41,679
So where do you get all same $75 an
hour?

1287
02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:47,119
You pull her from Medford as a payroll
specialist as a healthare specialist.

1288
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:51,440
She's not worth $75. She was a coward
when she when I went up there. She would

1289
02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:58,560
even come up to the window and talk to
me. I had to go and ask Kevin and Bart

1290
02:15:56,239 --> 02:16:03,760
and they told me who the new township
manager was. And this is the person

1291
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:08,800
you're going to hire. Shame on you for
that.

1292
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:13,920
My road still a disgrace.
Still a disgrace. 104 Hawkins Road, my

1293
02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:18,320
next door neighbor, their nine-year-old
son. Thank god he had good reflexes

1294
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:22,560
Friday morning.
Car pass the school bus with lights on.

1295
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:28,400
Pull the camera footage. I already
called Olson Middle School about it. He

1296
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:33,920
almost got killed that morning. Council
Biddy got hit because you guys don't

1297
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:39,359
want to take the responsibility to put
this stuff on this road. Do a traffic

1298
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:42,840
stud. Put signs up. You don't want to
take care of it.

1299
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:53,800
It's a disgrace. And on top of it, for
what you're doing over here,

1300
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:53,800
to these people at TRS,

1301
02:16:53,920 --> 02:17:01,120
it's unconscionable.
We have other board members in here that

1302
02:16:58,479 --> 02:17:06,639
are in bed with each other on land use
boards to get gains for other reasons

1303
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:11,599
which I don't think I have to really be
real clear about grace

1304
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:15,760
because if you would have called me back
when I asked you to call me back and you

1305
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:19,200
would have responded instead of blowing
me off we wouldn't be going down this

1306
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:25,679
road. Correct.
>> Excuse me. Going by Robert

1307
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:29,399
» that's fine. That's fine. that you all
work for me, too.

1308
02:17:29,820 --> 02:17:37,679
[Applause]
>> You know, and again, I'll tell you, I'm

1309
02:17:34,800 --> 02:17:42,880
a disgrace that I even voted for you
because you backed all these other

1310
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:46,479
people and said, "Oh, I'm going to do
this for you, Brian. I'm going to do

1311
02:17:44,319 --> 02:17:51,359
this. Go after Sammy Moore for this. Go
after this person. Go after that." Don't

1312
02:17:48,639 --> 02:17:56,000
deny you didn't say it, Joe. Good old
Joe, you are. You're a disgrace. She

1313
02:17:54,559 --> 02:17:59,359
ought to resign.
>> All of them.

1314
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:04,240
» She ought to resign.
>> And Lorie Cooper.

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02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:08,800
» And Lorie Cooper.
>> You're a disgrace, too. And I thought I

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02:18:06,479 --> 02:18:20,370
would be able to rely on you, Grace. And
you let me down. Thanks.

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[Applause]

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app.

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But I do I can't leave here without
telling you I worked with a lot of these

1320
02:18:37,439 --> 02:18:47,280
folks. I've been in healthcare for 40
years. They have this town 100%. They

1321
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:51,359
are for this town. They will do anything
for this town. Steve Kramer is my idol.

1322
02:18:49,840 --> 02:18:58,000
I will tell you, I worked with him
before. I The man is wonderful. You have

1323
02:18:55,359 --> 02:19:03,519
to put personal feelings aside. George
Jackson feels the way he feels because

1324
02:19:00,240 --> 02:19:07,519
he is passionate about his station. How
could you all just say, "Oh, we don't

1325
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:13,040
want to work with you." And let this
town fall apart. I can't even imagine

1326
02:19:10,880 --> 02:19:18,000
the lives that are going to be hurt and
the children that are going to be sick

1327
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:23,679
and there's going to be no response.
There are not enough ambulances. You

1328
02:19:20,319 --> 02:19:28,160
have a wonderful station here, multiple
apparatuses, good people that want to

1329
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:34,000
work for you. Why not give them a second
chance and build on it? You need paid

1330
02:19:30,960 --> 02:19:41,439
service. I'm 100% behind that because
everybody needs it. The other stations

1331
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:46,880
have one crew, one ambulance. We got
three relatively new apparatuses. They

1332
02:19:44,719 --> 02:19:52,800
all work. Other stations use their
apparatus because yours work here. Why

1333
02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:58,319
would you want to take somebody else's
problems as I want to say and I will

1334
02:19:55,840 --> 02:20:02,399
only speak for what I know. I will not
make up any story of some of the station

1335
02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:07,680
that you're referring to. I know
personally what they have and I think

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02:20:05,520 --> 02:20:11,120
crazy if you think you're going to get
more than one truck on the road and

1337
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:15,040
that's if you're going to get it in a
timely fashion

1338
02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:19,680
like Menderson said they were at
Chadsworth that's frequent I lived in

1339
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:23,120
Woodland Township for 35 years I had
never got an ambulance from Woodland

1340
02:20:21,359 --> 02:20:27,520
Township at my house when I called for
an ambulance I have thank God yet to

1341
02:20:25,439 --> 02:20:31,920
have to call an ambulance in Tabernacle
but I know that there are would respond

1342
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:36,880
I know they're close enough and then
Southampton is a backup they are

1343
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:41,439
wonderful to back up. You're crazy. If
you think that's will be your whole

1344
02:20:38,880 --> 02:20:47,520
support, I think you really really need
to reook and not go by somebody's

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02:20:44,319 --> 02:20:57,270
personality that you don't like.
[Applause]

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road.
If there is any consideration or

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reconsideration
or as Jackson spoke about