1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Afternoon 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,759 [music] 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,840 everybody. It is 3:02 on Wednesday, 4 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:19,520 September 9th. I'd like to call this 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,520 meeting of Tallahassee City Commission 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,680 to order. We have full chambers today. 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,920 It's great to see everybody. we have a 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:29,039 full meeting and then we have uh the 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,560 first of two um public hearings on the 10 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:32,800 budget along with other issues that'll 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,600 begin at 6 o'clock tonight. So, we have 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,360 a full agenda today. Without further 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,600 ado, let's go ahead and get started. It 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,079 is my honor and privilege to introduce 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,480 and to invite to the well the Reverend 16 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:47,039 Dr. Gerald Mandrrell, uh the pastor of 17 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:48,879 Life Changers Church of God in Christ. 18 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:50,160 Dr. Mandrel, it's good to see you. 19 00:00:48,879 --> 00:00:53,320 Ladies and gentlemen, please stand for 20 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:53,320 the invocation. 21 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,280 Father, in the name of Jesus, Lord, we 22 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:01,760 come before you with humble hearts and 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,559 with humble minds, knowing that without 24 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:08,400 you, we can do nothing. Even as it said 25 00:01:04,559 --> 00:01:09,600 in Psalm 1271, that if you don't keep 26 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,720 the city, 27 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:15,200 » The wakers, the watchers wake in vain. 28 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,080 So God, we seek you today. We seek your 29 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,400 presence. We seek your anointing uh to 30 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,720 rest with us. We ask that you will bless 31 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:26,240 our leaders that you will bring them 32 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:29,200 into unity and harmony so that they can 33 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:31,759 effectively manage this city, this 34 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,479 community of believers. So God, we ask 35 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:37,360 that your glory will rest upon us even 36 00:01:34,479 --> 00:01:40,560 as we do the business of the city of 37 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:42,880 Tallahassee that favor come upon these 38 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,680 your people so that we will serve them 39 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,920 in righteousness and in truth and that 40 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,159 your will will be done. And it's in 41 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,960 Jesus name we pray. Amen. 42 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:52,320 » Amen. 43 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,960 » Ladies and gentlemen, if you will join 44 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:57,759 me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge 45 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:00,560 allegiance to the flag of the United 46 00:01:57,759 --> 00:02:03,840 States of America and to the republic 47 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:06,880 for which it stands, one nation under 48 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:10,520 God, indivisible, with liberty and 49 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,520 justice for all. 50 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,400 » Special shout out. I see my dear friend, 51 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:20,480 former school board member Joy Bowen has 52 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,640 joined us today. It's great to see you, 53 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,480 Joy. I hope you're doing well. Thanks 54 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:27,840 for joining us in chambers. I hope I 55 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,520 haven't missed any uh current or former 56 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,760 electeds that might have joined us as 57 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,720 well. All right, Mr. Manager, do we have 58 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,080 any agenda modifications for today? 59 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,400 » Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. 60 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,560 » Okay. 61 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:42,560 » Um item 8.01 has been pulled uh the 62 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,800 request of Commissioner Porter. That is 63 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,319 your approval of the 2027 city 64 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,959 commission meeting schedule. 65 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:49,840 » Okay. 66 00:02:46,959 --> 00:02:51,120 » And then item 1001 which is the approval 67 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,319 of the city manager employment 68 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,680 agreement. The materials were added uh 69 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:58,319 to that item. 70 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,080 » All right. Any uh questions colleagues 71 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:02,800 to the manager just simply on the 72 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,480 modifications that are before us today. 73 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,319 All right. If you all would care to join 74 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:10,680 me down at the well for some 75 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:10,680 presentations I would love to have you. 76 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,920 Well, as we like to start all of our 77 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,920 meetings off uh with some recognition, 78 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:40,640 uh it is my honor and privilege to 79 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:42,720 invite uh K. Ignatio uh Big Ben 211 and 80 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,120 all of our friends that are here, please 81 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:48,120 come join us as well for his special 82 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,120 recognition. 83 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,920 And as y'all are coming forward, let me 84 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,040 just tell you, I think the work that you 85 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,840 do is absolutely amazing, so vital to 86 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:02,400 this community, and so proud to have you 87 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:05,040 in chambers and allowing us to recognize 88 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,040 you on this allimportant 89 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,319 issue. Today, 90 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,720 ladies and gentlemen, from the governing 91 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:13,120 body of the city of Tallahassee, a 92 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,040 proclamation. Whereas September is 93 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,799 recognized nationally as suicide 94 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,799 awareness and prevention month to raise 95 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:20,639 awareness about mental health, reduce 96 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:22,880 the stigma surrounding suicide, 97 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:24,560 encouraging open conversations, and 98 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,960 connect individuals and families with 99 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,040 life-saving resources and support. And 100 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,520 whereas millions of Americans experience 101 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,759 suicidal thoughts, make suicide plans, 102 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,520 or attempt suicide each year, 103 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:37,840 demonstrating the ongoing need for 104 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,840 prevention, intervention, compassionate 105 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:42,560 care, and access to mental health 106 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:44,560 services. And whereas suicide remains a 107 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,560 significant public health concern, 108 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,880 underscoring the importance of expanding 109 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,600 access to behavioral health services, 110 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,199 crisis intervention, suicide prevention, 111 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,759 early intervention, and community 112 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:57,520 education. And whereas suicide affects 113 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:59,759 individuals and families throughout the 114 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,680 city of Tallahassee, leaving a lasting 115 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:04,160 impact on loved ones, friends, 116 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:07,039 co-workers, classmates, neighbors, and 117 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,039 the entire community. And whereas 211 118 00:05:07,039 --> 00:05:11,840 Big Ben, the designated regional 119 00:05:09,039 --> 00:05:14,400 provider of the 988 suicide and crisis 120 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:17,120 lifeline, provides 24-hour crisis 121 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,120 intervention, emotional support, suicide 122 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,720 prevention services, and connections to 123 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,880 behavioral health and community 124 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,800 resources throughout North Florida. And 125 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,639 whereas the city of Tallahassee proudly 126 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,280 recognizes the dedicated crisis 127 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:31,440 counselors at 211 Big Ben, who answer 128 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:34,960 some of life's most difficult calls 24 129 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:37,039 hours a day, 365 days a year, alongside 130 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,199 volunteers, educators, health care 131 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:41,440 providers, first responders, peer 132 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:43,520 specialists, and community organizations 133 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,440 working to prevent suicide, promote 134 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,280 hope, reduce stigma, and connect 135 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,039 individuals to life-saving support and 136 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,720 resources. 137 00:05:49,039 --> 00:05:52,240 And whereas every person can make a 138 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,560 difference by reaching out, listening 139 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,400 with compassion, recognizing the warning 140 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,000 signs of emotional distress, and 141 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,680 reminding those who are struggling that 142 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,520 they are not alone, that help is 143 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,919 available, and that recovery is 144 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,680 possible. Now therefore, I, John Evans 145 00:06:03,919 --> 00:06:07,680 Daily, by the authority vested in me as 146 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,080 the mayor of the city of Tallahassee, do 147 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,240 hereby recognize September as National 148 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,720 Suicide Prevention Month and encourage 149 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,960 all residents to promote hope, increase 150 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,720 awareness of mental health resources, 151 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,199 reduce stigma, and support those 152 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:24,400 affected by suicide. And remember that 153 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:25,919 one conversation can save a life. 154 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,919 Written to the record in front of each 155 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:30,880 and every one of you here today, signed 156 00:06:27,919 --> 00:06:33,919 with my signature, John E. daily dated 157 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:36,000 September 9th, 2026. 158 00:06:33,919 --> 00:06:38,080 K, it is an honor to have you in 159 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,080 chambers and present this proclamation. 160 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Micro, 161 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,840 » Good afternoon everyone. I will make 162 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:49,280 this brief. I know you all are here for 163 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:51,199 all the other goodies on the agenda 164 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,720 today, but I just want to say thank you 165 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:55,199 to the city of Tallahassee for 166 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,360 supporting 211 Big Ben and our efforts. 167 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:58,560 988 is nationwide. I don't know if you 168 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,120 guys know that or not, but it's 169 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,360 nationwide. You don't have to be in 170 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,919 mental health crisis to call. You can 171 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,560 call for a friend, a family member, a 172 00:07:05,919 --> 00:07:10,400 child, anyone that you don't really know 173 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,199 how to approach them or talk to them 174 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:16,639 about it. You can call 988. It's here 175 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:18,800 24/7, 365 days a year for you, your 176 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:21,440 neighbors, and we are honored to answer 177 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:25,520 that the call. Uh last fiscal year, we 178 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:28,880 received about 5,988 calls. in on 211 179 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,960 helpline, we received about 38,000 180 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,120 calls. Um, so it's important we all talk 181 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,360 about it, we get the word out, and make 182 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,720 sure that no one faces a crisis alone 183 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:42,360 just to reach out and call 988. 184 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,360 » Yeah, I'd love to. 185 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 All 186 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:44,080 right. I would now love to invite my 187 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:46,480 friend Leslie Powell Budro to please 188 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,720 come forward to accept a proclamation on 189 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:53,200 behalf of Legal Services of North 190 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,200 Florida. Leslie, how you doing? 191 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,000 Come join me. Come join. Ladies and 192 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,399 gentlemen, from the governing body of 193 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,399 the city of Tallahassee, a proclamation. 194 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:06,480 Whereas Legal Services of North Florida 195 00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:09,920 was founded in Tallahassee on August 196 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:12,480 25th, 1976, advancing access to justice 197 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,399 for 50 years by providing civil legal 198 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,640 assistance to lowincome and vulnerable 199 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:18,959 residents who otherwise could not afford 200 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,800 representation. And whereas from its 201 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:22,399 beginning in Florida's capital city, 202 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,920 legal services in North Florida has 203 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:26,000 grown to serve residents across the 204 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,839 Florida panhandle, working to ensure 205 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,560 that justice is not determined by a 206 00:09:27,839 --> 00:09:32,880 person's income, age, disability, or 207 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:35,440 circumstance. And whereas throughout its 208 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,040 history, Legal Services of North Florida 209 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,959 has helped bridge the gap between the 210 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,640 courts and the people they serve by 211 00:09:38,959 --> 00:09:42,880 providing critical legal help and 212 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,680 matters involving housing stability, 213 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,839 family safety, public benefits, consumer 214 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:50,080 protection, healthc care access, 215 00:09:47,839 --> 00:09:52,560 veterans issues, and other essential 216 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,800 civil legal needs. And whereas through 217 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:56,640 legal advocacy, education, and 218 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,959 partnerships with local governments, 219 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,880 courts, human service providers, the 220 00:09:58,959 --> 00:10:02,880 legal community, volunteers, and 221 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,560 supporters, Legal Services of North 222 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,240 Florida has promoted fairness, 223 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:08,800 stability, and opportunity for 224 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,720 individuals and families. And whereas by 225 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,120 serving children, older adults, 226 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,200 veterans, survivors of abuse, people 227 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,519 with disabilities, and families facing 228 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,360 crisis, Legal Services of North Florida 229 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:21,200 has strengthened communities and upheld 230 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,839 the promise of equal justice under the 231 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,160 law. And whereas the 50th anniversary of 232 00:10:23,839 --> 00:10:28,320 Legal Services of North Florida marks a 233 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,079 significant milestone recognizing the 234 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,240 organization's long-standing commitment 235 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:34,720 to justice, service, and community 236 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,640 impact. Now therefore, I, John Evans 237 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,800 Daily, by the authority vested in me as 238 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,279 the mayor of the city of Tallahassee, do 239 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,279 hereby recognize the 50th anniversary of 240 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:45,120 Legal Services of North Florida and 241 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:47,680 commends its enduring dedication to 242 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,360 expanding access to civil justice for 243 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:51,680 the residents of Tallahassee and 244 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,120 communities across North Florida. Read 245 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:55,120 into the record in front of each and 246 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,760 every one of you here today. Signed with 247 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,880 my signature, John E. Dailyaly, dated 248 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:04,177 September 9th, 2026. Leslie, 249 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:06,197 congratulations on the 50th anniversary. 250 00:11:04,177 --> 00:11:06,197 [applause] 251 00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:13,680 » Um, thank you. Thank you, mayor. Um, and 252 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,200 thanks, commissioners. Uh, uh, we 253 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:17,440 started here in Tallahassee. And while 254 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:20,079 we cover 16 counties now, this is this 255 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,399 is home. This is we are we are woven 256 00:11:20,079 --> 00:11:24,880 into the to the to the history of 257 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:26,480 Tallahassee. um having been started in 258 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,560 partnership with First Presbyterian 259 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Church with a little bit of money that 260 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:33,680 we've been able to really grow and 261 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,519 flourish uh in order to support um the 262 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:38,880 most vulnerable people in our community. 263 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:40,320 No one should be worse off just because 264 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,240 they get pulled into the court system 265 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,079 and don't have a lawyer to help them. 266 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,680 And that's what we're here to do. And we 267 00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:47,920 we are grateful for the partnership with 268 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:50,800 the city. Um, always love working with 269 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,959 the staff um, as we find ways to make 270 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,200 sure that all of uh, its citizens are 271 00:11:52,959 --> 00:11:56,640 served. Um, want to thank some of our 272 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,920 our our team here, Charlotte, our 273 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,800 director of communications, and 274 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:03,040 Michelle, our director of proono. Um, it 275 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,839 takes a team of us to to do this work 276 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,120 and I'm just grateful um, for this 277 00:12:05,839 --> 00:12:08,800 opportunity to celebrate this 278 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,200 anniversary with y'all. So, thank you so 279 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,480 much. 280 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,318 » Excellent. May we get a picture? Yeah, 281 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,318 absolutely. Please. [applause] 282 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:04,639 ladies and gentlemen, it is my honor and 283 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:06,720 privilege to invite all members 284 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:08,639 Tallahassee Fire Department that is here 285 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,519 in chambers or in the sound of my voice 286 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:15,800 to please come join me and my colleagues 287 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:15,800 colleagues at the well. 288 00:13:17,144 --> 00:13:21,160 [applause] 289 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,160 Come on. 290 00:13:23,039 --> 00:13:25,059 [applause] 291 00:13:32,079 --> 00:13:35,200 Ladies and gentlemen, we have the best 292 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,040 fire department in the nation right here 293 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,959 in Tallahassee. It is an honor and a 294 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,040 privilege to work with the chief and 295 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:43,760 your dynamic, award-winning team each 296 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:46,959 and every day. I also want you to know 297 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,560 how appreciative not only of the best 298 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:50,320 services in the nation that y'all 299 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:52,079 provide. Uh I know that we will be 300 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,320 spending time together on September 301 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:57,440 11th, you always do an incredible 302 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:59,600 ceremony um honoring uh the tragedy that 303 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,959 took place on September 11th. And thank 304 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,320 you so much for the invitation to 305 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:04,639 participate. And I would like to invite 306 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,240 the public to come join us also at 307 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:08,320 station one. and chief if you wouldn't 308 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:11,120 mind in your remarks just reminding 309 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:13,040 everybody the the the time and once 310 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,880 again stating station one for the 311 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,880 location so that everyone that is 312 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,959 watching and listening 313 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,000 join us. Ladies and gentlemen, from the 314 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:22,399 governing body of the city of 315 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,160 Tallahassee, a proclamation. Whereas the 316 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:25,839 Tallahassee Fire Department is fully 317 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,839 committed to ensuring the safety and 318 00:14:25,839 --> 00:14:30,240 security of all those living in and 319 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:32,399 visiting Tallahassee. And whereas fire 320 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,480 remains a serious public safety concern 321 00:14:32,399 --> 00:14:36,800 both locally and nationally and the 322 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,880 presence of lithium ion batteries and 323 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,480 many household devices introduce fire 324 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,240 risks. 325 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,399 And whereas most of the rechargeable 326 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,880 electronics used in homes daily, 327 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:48,880 including smartphones, tablets, laptops, 328 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,199 power tools, ebikes, e- scooters, and 329 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,360 toys are powered by lithium-ion 330 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:55,760 batteries, which if mis misused, 331 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,560 damaged, or improperly charged can 332 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,399 overheat, start a fire, or explode. And 333 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,560 whereas the National Fire Protection 334 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:05,120 Association reports an increase in 335 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,279 battery related fires, underscoring the 336 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,360 need for public education on the safe 337 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:12,160 use of lithium ion batteries and 338 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,399 devices. And whereas the way lithium ion 339 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,680 batteries devices are charged can make a 340 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:17,680 difference in helping prevent home 341 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,600 fires. And whereas safe charging 342 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,279 includes using the cord and charger that 343 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,440 came with your device or one approved by 344 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:25,199 the manufacturer. And whereas residents 345 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,279 are encouraged to understand that safe 346 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:29,440 charging means making smart choices 347 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:31,040 every time they plug in. And whereas 348 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,560 Tallahassee Fire Department remains 349 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,560 fully committed to reducing the 350 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,000 occurrence of fires through prevention, 351 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,440 safety education, and community 352 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:42,639 outreach. And whereas the 2026 fire 353 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:45,360 prevention week theme, charge into fire 354 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:47,279 safety, safe charging is a superpower. 355 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,880 Serves to remind all residents that safe 356 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:51,199 charging can help reduce the risk of 357 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,199 fires in homes and communities. Now 358 00:15:51,199 --> 00:15:54,720 therefore, I, John Evans Daily, by the 359 00:15:53,199 --> 00:15:56,800 authority vested in me as the mayor of 360 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,040 the city of Tallahassee, do hereby 361 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:02,639 proclaim October 4th through the 10th, 362 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:04,639 2026 as Fire Prevention Week and urge 363 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:06,560 all residents of Tallahassee to practice 364 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:08,160 safe charging habits and support the 365 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,600 many public safety activities and 366 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,000 efforts of the Tallahassee Fire 367 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,360 Department and Emergency Services. Read 368 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,360 into the record in front of each and 369 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,320 every one of you here today, signed with 370 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:21,440 my signature, John E. daily dated today, 371 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,680 September 9th, 2026. Chief, it is truly 372 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,279 an honor to present to you and the Talis 373 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,461 Fire Department this proclamation. Thank 374 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:28,461 you for all. [applause] 375 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:36,959 So, thank you, Mayor, Commissioners, uh 376 00:16:34,079 --> 00:16:41,279 following up on your remarks, 911, this 377 00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:43,120 is the 25th year, uh since 911, and let 378 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:46,160 us not forget the great sacrifice that 379 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,680 the men and women made on that day. and 380 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,120 we ask the public to come out and 381 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:54,639 celebrate uh their efforts with us this 382 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:58,160 Friday at 327 North Adam Street, which 383 00:16:54,639 --> 00:17:00,240 is our fire station one at 8:30. Uh it 384 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,639 will be a short presentation, a very 385 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,480 short walk as well, but we would love 386 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:06,720 for the public to come and be a part of 387 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,919 it. I also before I turned the podium 388 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:14,000 over to division chief Anthony Espinosa 389 00:17:09,919 --> 00:17:17,839 uh in 1871 was the great Chicago fire 390 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,839 and it was became very present that the 391 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:23,760 importance of uniform fire safety 392 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:27,120 standards in this country was necessary. 393 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:30,160 So, fire departments and cities across 394 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:33,360 the country developed uniform standards 395 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:36,000 uh to enhance fire safety in our 396 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:39,520 facilities, in our businesses and also 397 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:43,039 in our homes. So, NFPA started a theme 398 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:45,440 in 1922 and each year they identify a 399 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:48,799 theme and fire departments all across 400 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,640 this country, they design campaigns in 401 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:53,360 line with that theme. So now I would 402 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,280 like to ask Anthony Espinosa, our newly 403 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:57,360 promoted division chief of fire 404 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,200 prevention and fire marshall to come 405 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:01,120 forward to talk about the history, this 406 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:05,320 year's theme and the events we have 407 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:05,320 planned. Thank you ma'am. 408 00:18:05,347 --> 00:18:07,367 [applause] 409 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:13,039 » Thank you chief. Uh thank you mayor 410 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,960 commission and manager. Um thank you all 411 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:16,799 for recognizing fire prevention week. 412 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,480 I'd like to recognize our team, fire 413 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:20,799 prevention team. Captain Terrell Mloud 414 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,880 and our inspectors and Captain Robert 415 00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:24,559 Clary and our public education team. I 416 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,280 work beside these folks every day and 417 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:29,039 it's a it's an honor. So, thank you all. 418 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,799 Like Chief had said, since 1922, the 419 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:32,559 NFPA has sponsored the public uh 420 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:34,320 observance of fire prevention week. 421 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:36,640 Three years later, uh President Calvin 422 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,559 Kulage proclaimed fire prevention week a 423 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,840 national observance. Uh that makes it 424 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:44,080 the longest running public health 425 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:47,280 uh campaign in uh in our country's 426 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,720 history. Um public uh fire prevention 427 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,240 week is observed each year during the 428 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,640 week of October 9th because of the great 429 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,799 Chicago fire. That fire resulted in more 430 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,960 than 250 people losing their lives, 431 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:59,120 100,000 people becoming homeless and 432 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,679 about 2,000 acres of land that have been 433 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:05,120 burned. Like chief said, each year the 434 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:07,919 NFPA focuses on a new campaign. This 435 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:10,400 year is charge charge in the fire safety 436 00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:12,240 uh which focuses on charging habits that 437 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:15,559 can reduce the risk of lithium ion 438 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,559 battery fires. 439 00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:20,080 Some of the uh helpful tips that we can 440 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,360 focus on is making sure that you use a 441 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,919 quarter charger that come with your 442 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:26,640 device. When your device is fully 443 00:19:23,919 --> 00:19:28,799 charged, unplug it. And uh if you can 444 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,520 charge these devices outside as a father 445 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:33,039 of a 14 and 10 year old son, um we've 446 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,520 got plenty of these devices at the house 447 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:36,960 and uh it is hard to do outside. And if 448 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,280 you can't, make sure you don't block an 449 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,880 exit when you're charging. 450 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,600 Um more helpful tips can be found at 451 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,919 nfpa.org. So, please visit that site. 452 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,160 Um, I'd also like to invite everybody uh 453 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:49,919 besides uh the 911 ceremony, we are 454 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,640 going to have a touch a truck uh event 455 00:19:49,919 --> 00:19:54,080 on October 4th out at Bass Pro uh for 456 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,000 during fire prevention week. So, please 457 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,320 visit uh us out there. And we're also 458 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,799 going to be visiting uh numerous schools 459 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,960 um during that week uh to educate the 460 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:05,280 public and and the and the youth out 461 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,600 there. So, some of the stuff we got 462 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,039 going on. Um, again, the Tallahassy Fire 463 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,400 Department uh prevention division is 464 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:11,919 fully committed to educating the public 465 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,120 on life safety measures and partnering 466 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:15,120 with the community through our fire 467 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:16,400 prevention practices. Thank you all for 468 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:19,623 allowing us to be here today and 469 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,643 recognizing fire prevention week. 470 00:20:19,623 --> 00:20:21,643 [applause] 471 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,919 Come home. 472 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,640 Ladies and gentlemen, it is my honor and 473 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:28,320 privilege to recognize former school 474 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,709 board member Maggie Lewis Butler who is 475 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,400 here with us today. Maggie, it's 476 00:21:29,709 --> 00:21:35,440 [applause] great to see you. 477 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,200 Thanks for being here. [applause] 478 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,159 And for the next presentation, I would 479 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,320 like to invite Miss uh Helage Pina to 480 00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:44,799 please come join me, the uh principal of 481 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:48,440 Riley Elementary School. Miss Porcina, 482 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:48,440 it's great to see [applause] you. 483 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,440 And all members of your team that are 484 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:58,559 here, please come join us. Bring all 485 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,440 your members that are here that would 486 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:03,280 like to come up. That'd be great. 487 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Oh, it was dismissal time at school. 488 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,880 Okay. But got it. Very important. Very 489 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,480 important. Very important. Don't want to 490 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,720 make the principal mad. That's for sure. 491 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,440 You're 492 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,640 » Right. 493 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,320 » Great to see you. Thanks for being here 494 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,360 with us. Ladies and gentlemen, from the 495 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,919 governing body of the city of 496 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:20,320 Tallahassee, a proclamation. Whereas 497 00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:23,919 John Gilmore Riley, born into slavery in 498 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:26,000 Leyon County on September 24th, 1857, 499 00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:28,159 rose to bea to become a respected 500 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,240 educator, entrepreneur, and civic leader 501 00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:32,400 whose dedication to education and 502 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,240 service helped shape the Tallahassee 503 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,159 community. And whereas through his 504 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,640 leadership and unwavering belief in the 505 00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:40,880 power of education, John G. Riley 506 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,559 inspired generations of students and 507 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,799 left a legacy that continues to 508 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:48,159 influence our community today. And 509 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:50,400 whereas in 1951, John G. Riley 510 00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:52,559 Elementary School was established in his 511 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,799 honor, ensuring that his lifelong 512 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:57,200 commitment to learning, leadership, and 513 00:22:54,799 --> 00:23:00,480 opportunity would continue to inspire 514 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,799 future generations. And whereas for 75 515 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,559 years, John G. Riley Elementary School 516 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:06,880 has served as a cornerstone of the 517 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:09,039 community, shaping the lives of students 518 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,280 while fostering academic excellence, 519 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:13,120 perseverance, and resilience. And 520 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,039 whereas generations of students, 521 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:17,120 educators, families, and community 522 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:19,200 members have contributed to the proud 523 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:21,600 legacy of John G. Riley Elementary 524 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,360 School, making it a place where history, 525 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,000 tradition, and opportunity come 526 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:27,840 together. Now therefore, I, John Evans 527 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,159 Daly, by the authority vested in me as 528 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,280 the mayor of the city of Tallahassee, do 529 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:36,000 hereby celebrate and recognize the 75th 530 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,559 anniversary of John G. Riley Elementary 531 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,880 School and honor the enduring legacy of 532 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:43,360 John Gilmore Riley, whose vision and 533 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:46,559 commitment to education continues to 534 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:48,559 inspire and empower future generations. 535 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:50,480 Signed with my signature, John E. 536 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:52,159 Dailyy, read into the record in front of 537 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,600 each and every one of you here today. 538 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:57,600 dated September 9th, 2026. 539 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:01,400 Madam principal, congratulations and 540 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,400 thanks for joining [applause] us. 541 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:07,840 » Good afternoon everyone. 542 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,360 » Good afternoon. 543 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:13,760 » As I serve as the proud new principal of 544 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:16,799 John G. Elementary School, I want to say 545 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:20,559 thank you to the city of Tallahassee and 546 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:22,080 as well as our mayor uh Daly and Mayor 547 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:24,000 Richardson. 548 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,520 Pro Tim. [laughter] 549 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:31,600 Okay. So again, as I began this journey 550 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:33,520 in July, my first task given to me by 551 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,559 our teacher, Miss Sheila Barnes 552 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:39,360 Williams, who's been at Riley for many 553 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:41,840 years. She grew up in the elementary. 554 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,600 She went to Riley Elementary School and 555 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,240 she gave me a call and said, "Your first 556 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:49,440 task is to celebrate the 75th year." It 557 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,360 was her dream to do so. And I gladly 558 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,880 made this dream come true. So, we will 559 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:58,480 be celebrating um with um our our 560 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:01,200 district on September 24th at 100 p.m. 561 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:04,799 and then with the children on the 25th 562 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:07,120 in a festival form on the 20 24th and 563 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:09,760 then the 25th with the children. So, um 564 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:12,799 if you want to be part of making history 565 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:15,279 at Riley Elementary, I I welcome you to 566 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:17,760 volunteer. You know, let's do the forms 567 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,440 first through the leyon countychools.net 568 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,039 so we can make sure that our children 569 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,039 are safe. But we welcome each and every 570 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:25,520 one of you to be part of history and to 571 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:29,497 make dreams come true at John G. Riley 572 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,497 Elementary. So, thank you. [applause] 573 00:26:01,537 --> 00:26:03,557 » [laughter] 574 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,000 » Ladies and gentlemen, for our final 575 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,080 presentation today, it is a distinct 576 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,120 honor and privilege to welcome 577 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,799 representatives 578 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,039 of the Latterday Saints Church here in 579 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:32,799 Tallahassee. Please come forward. 580 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:34,880 President Ben Smith, President Mark 581 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:38,240 Llewellyn, President Landon Mueller, 582 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,559 Sister Brooke Beaser, Sister Sarah Zern, 583 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,200 uh, Bishop Matt McCryus if he was able 584 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:45,600 to join us, Brother Robert Ivy, Brother 585 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,720 Greg Oaks, Brother Charlie Bowen, and 586 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,159 Sister Claire Bowen as well, and any 587 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,480 other members of the church that are 588 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:54,240 here. And as they're coming forward, I 589 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,000 have to tell you that uh I had the 590 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,320 opportunity to host them in my office 591 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,159 prior to the commission meeting. You 592 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,520 know, the church is internationally 593 00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:06,480 famous um for their strong foundation u 594 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,520 based on family and love and their 595 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:12,240 geneal genealogical um uh assistance 596 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:15,200 that they can provide. And as a surprise 597 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:18,320 to me, they surprised me with the 598 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:21,600 research of my family history. And it is 599 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,760 absolutely amazing and I'm still 600 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,080 speechless. And before I even begin with 601 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,840 the proclamation of why we're here, I 602 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,919 personally just want to say thank you 603 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:34,559 again from the bottom of my heart. It it 604 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:35,919 is very very meaningful. Thank you. 605 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,440 Ladies and gentlemen, from the governing 606 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:40,080 body of the city of Tallahassee, a 607 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,480 proclamation. Whereas we firmly believe 608 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,320 that the values of compassion, empathy, 609 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,880 and community support are the foundation 610 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,720 of a united harmonious society and 611 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,880 fosters connections that transcend 612 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,039 differences. And whereas the strength 613 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,120 and prosperity of our cities, towns, and 614 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:57,679 villages are based in the selflessness 615 00:27:55,120 --> 00:28:00,080 of its residents to serve and uplift one 616 00:27:57,679 --> 00:28:02,080 another. And whereas we acknowledge the 617 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,000 profound impact that can be achieved 618 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,159 when we extend a helping hand to our 619 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,000 neighbors, especially those of diverse 620 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:10,559 backgrounds in lifting them up and 621 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,480 collectively working to improve lives. 622 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:14,799 And whereas we nurture a culture of 623 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,279 giving within our cities, emphasizing 624 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:19,440 that volunteerism is not just a duty, 625 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:21,760 but a source of personal fulfillment and 626 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,320 community strength. And as we work side 627 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,799 by side with and learn from each other, 628 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,279 mutual understandings increases. 629 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:31,919 misconceptions can be corrected and new 630 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:33,760 friendships are built. And whereas we 631 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:36,480 urge all citizens to care for one 632 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,159 another, volunteer and engage in acts of 633 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,520 service and kindness that contribute to 634 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:42,000 our city's betterment and its 635 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,320 inhabitants well-being, regardless of 636 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,320 background or belief. And whereas the 637 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,240 city of Tallahassee has joined a growing 638 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,600 list of supporters, including the 639 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,919 president of the National League of 640 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,480 Cities and hundreds of leaders to date 641 00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:56,640 and making a commitment to volunteerism. 642 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,240 And now therefore, I, John Evans Daily, 643 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,399 by the authority vested in me as the 644 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,520 mayor of the city of Tallahassee, do 645 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:05,760 hereby recognize Just Serve in the city 646 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,399 of Tallahassee and commits to promoting 647 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,880 volunteerism, led leveraging 648 00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:13,120 justserve.org to make it easier for 649 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,679 residents to find and engage in 650 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,279 volunteer activities and will regularly 651 00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:19,679 acknowledge and celebrate the 652 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,200 contribution of volunteers. Ladies and 653 00:29:19,679 --> 00:29:23,120 gentlemen, read into the record in front 654 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,120 of each and every one of you here today, 655 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,960 signed with my signature, John E. 656 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:30,960 Dailyaly, dated September 9th, 2026. 657 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,470 Please join me in recognizing the 658 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,470 church. [applause] 659 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,240 Mayor Daly, commissioners, neighbors, 660 00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:48,399 and friends, it's a distinct privilege 661 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,799 to be with you today and recognize all 662 00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:52,640 of the good that happens in Tallahassee. 663 00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:55,600 We are grateful for this distinction of 664 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:59,440 Tallahassee being recognized as a just 665 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:01,200 serve city. A place where we can come, 666 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,600 we can serve, we can lift up one 667 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:07,039 another. we can bring our talents, our 668 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:10,080 means, our skills, our time, help lift 669 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:12,000 others and make others better in what we 670 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,200 do. So, Mayor Daly, we're grateful for 671 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,919 this. We're grateful for the opportunity 672 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,760 to recognize just serve in Tallahassee. 673 00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:19,919 Justsserve.org 674 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,399 contains many opportunities to go forth 675 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:23,760 in the community, serve, and to lift 676 00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:26,559 others. Thank you so much. 677 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,159 » Thank you. Thank you. It's absolutely 678 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:31,799 gorgeous. 679 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:31,799 Thank you so [applause] much. 680 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,519 So ladies and gentlemen, I was telling 681 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:45,679 my colleagues while we were taking the 682 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:48,399 picture what an honor it is to be named 683 00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:50,799 a just served community. Out of roughly 684 00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:52,799 19,500 685 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:55,039 communities just in the United States 686 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:58,159 alone, there are only a couple of 687 00:31:55,039 --> 00:32:00,559 hundred cities and only a handful in the 688 00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:02,480 state of Florida that are recognized as 689 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,799 just served communities and we are one 690 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,799 of them. So, it is a distinct honor and 691 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:09,600 a privilege to be recognized and we 692 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:11,519 appreciate everyone for coming today to 693 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,640 help us celebrate. 694 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,000 » Mr. Manager, do we have any 695 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,120 announcements to come before the city 696 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,880 commission at this time? 697 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,279 » No, sir. Do we have any appearances by 698 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,399 other governing boards or agencies or 699 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,840 governments? 700 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:23,440 » No, sir. 701 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,279 » All right. We are on the consent agenda. 702 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,840 Mr. Clerk, do we have any public comment 703 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:29,679 on any of the consent items? 704 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,320 » Uh, no, sir. Only on the item that was 705 00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:32,000 pulled. 706 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,559 » Okay. Item that was pulled was 707 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,120 previously 8.01. We will take it up as 708 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:39,120 9.01 in just a second. Colleagues, is 709 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,679 there direction on the rest of consent? 710 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,559 » Move forward. 711 00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:42,799 » Approval. Second. 712 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,320 » Second. Mayor Pro Tim has properly moved 713 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,919 the consent agenda seconded by 714 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,840 Commissioner Williams Cox. Any further 715 00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:49,840 discussion? Seeing none, all those in 716 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,399 favor signify by saying I. 717 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,600 » All those opposed. Passes unanimously. 718 00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:59,200 50. We are on item number 9.01, 719 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:01,200 previously 8.01. Mr. Manager. 720 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,279 » Mr. Mayor, this uh seeks the 721 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,080 commission's approval for the calendar 722 00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:09,039 year 2027 city commission meeting 723 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,679 schedule. The schedule the schedule as 724 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:15,360 proposed and attached to your agenda 725 00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:18,559 includes one annual retreat as typical 726 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:22,799 12 regular meetings and three workshops 727 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:26,240 for a total of 16 meetings in 2027. 728 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:28,000 » All right. Uh Commissioner Porter Hold 729 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,960 on just a second. Mr. Clerk, do we have 730 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,159 public comment on this item? 731 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,480 » We do have one speaker on the item. 732 00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:32,000 Mayor. 733 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,399 » Hi. Uh, Commissioner Porter, do you want 734 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,519 to do a quick introduction of why you 735 00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:36,480 pulled it and then we'll go to public 736 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,799 comment or do you want to just go 737 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,840 straight to public comment? 738 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,320 » I'll be quick. 739 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,760 » Okay. 740 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,600 » I pulled it because I want to vote 741 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,559 against it. I don't think that one 742 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,480 meeting a month, 12 meetings is enough. 743 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:50,720 I think we've we've suffered as a 744 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,200 result, especially with the fact that we 745 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,679 have limited public comment uh during 746 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,360 non-aggenda items. So, that's why I 747 00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:59,519 pulled it. I know the city manager said 748 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,080 as typical, but it's not what has been 749 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:04,480 typical. We have slowly cut meetings 750 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,799 over the years and we took this action a 751 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,240 couple years ago, but I just want the 752 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,520 public to know it's not necessarily 753 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,399 what's typical for the city of 754 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,079 Tallahassee. 755 00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:13,520 » Okay. So, Commissioner Porter, we will 756 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,119 take public comment. When we're done 757 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,359 with public comment, I will come back to 758 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,720 you for a motion. Why don't you give it 759 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:21,200 some thought of what you think is 760 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:23,040 appropriate and uh we'll go from there. 761 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,879 » Public comment, Mr. Clerk. 762 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,359 » Thank you, Mayor. We have one speaker on 763 00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:28,800 the item, Stanley Sims as our first 764 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:30,159 speaker. He already knows, but for 765 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,560 everybody else in the audience, he'll 766 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,159 have three minutes for remarks and he'll 767 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,000 have a light that turns yellow in front 768 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,079 of the mayor at 30 seconds, as well as a 769 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,280 reminder from me. Thank you. 770 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:45,320 » My name is Stanley Sims. I'm at 1320 771 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,320 Barack Obama way. 772 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:50,720 The ability, 773 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,879 the opportunity 774 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:55,839 to communicate with your local 775 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:58,240 government 776 00:34:55,839 --> 00:35:01,560 is indeed 777 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:01,560 a treasure. 778 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,760 Now, some in America was born with this 779 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,760 treasure. 780 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:15,839 Some in America are in certain positions 781 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:18,320 that they don't even need an appointment 782 00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:23,560 to meet with 783 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,560 their elected officials. 784 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:34,520 But I thank God today that there is 785 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,520 something called the Constitution. 786 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,119 We 787 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,920 we 788 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:46,119 the people 789 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,119 that affords us, 790 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:55,119 white, black, rich, 791 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:59,800 or even poor like me, 792 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,800 a chance and an opportunity 793 00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:04,599 to communicate with their government. 794 00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:12,240 And so what we have done today or about 795 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:15,720 to do today is limit 796 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,720 those opportunities. 797 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,400 And we ask ourselves why people don't 798 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,400 vote. 799 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,920 We ask ourselves 800 00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:34,119 why people walk away with negative 801 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,119 outlooks of government. 802 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,920 I heard something from you, Commissioner 803 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,320 Cox, that just rocked my spirit during 804 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,800 the debate 805 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,240 at the NEBA. 806 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:51,359 The question was, 807 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:55,119 and I'm summarizing in case Steve is in 808 00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:58,560 the audience and may sue me. 809 00:36:55,119 --> 00:37:02,800 The question was, "What is the greatest 810 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:05,800 calamity that you think is at city 811 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800 hall?" 812 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,119 Your response to that question was, "You 813 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:13,200 didn't think 814 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:15,359 » Local government 815 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,000 understood. 816 00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:22,440 You didn't think people understood local 817 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,440 how local government work." 818 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:28,320 Limited 819 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,720 There are opportunities to converse 820 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,720 is not a productive step in the right 821 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,720 direction. 822 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,680 » No other speakers on the 823 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,520 » Have no speaker. All right. So, 824 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,680 Commissioner Porter, I will come to you. 825 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,880 I actually agree that with a new 826 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,760 commission, the need to meet and to 827 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:52,880 educate and to familiarize is a very 828 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:57,280 important thing. So, would you care to 829 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:58,400 make a motion to amend this uh proposed 830 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,480 schedule? 831 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:05,200 » Sure. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like 832 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:08,240 I would um move that we adopt the 20 27 833 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:11,040 city commission meeting schedule um but 834 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:12,880 with two meetings a month as 835 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:17,200 » With two meetings a month. I mean, 836 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:19,119 including our our July break, but 837 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,240 with the frequency we met before we made 838 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:22,000 these changes. 839 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,920 » Does the uh schedule need to come back 840 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,920 in a formal manner or are you just 841 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,280 comfortable with having it, you know, 842 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,800 letting staff figure out the two 843 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,800 meetings a month and then emailing the 844 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,640 schedule back out? 845 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,839 » I think it can just come back to us on 846 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,119 consent 847 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:36,720 » At the next meeting. 848 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,560 » All right. So, the motion on the table 849 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:41,359 is to move from one meeting a month to 850 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,760 two meetings a month. Uh still observing 851 00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:47,839 the summer recess and for it to come 852 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,520 back on consent for next uh meeting. 853 00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:50,079 Second to the motion. 854 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,359 » Second. 855 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,440 » All right. Seconded by Commissioner 856 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:55,040 Malow. Any further comment? 857 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,240 » See none. All those in favor signify by 858 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,640 saying I. I. 859 00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:00,640 » All those opposed. Passes unanimously. 860 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:04,400 All right. We are on 861 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,720 » Item number 10.01, the approval of the 862 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,800 city manager employment agreement with 863 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:11,280 the mayor and city commission. Uh 864 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,400 colleagues, I will be presenting this 865 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,920 item and then we will have public 866 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,480 comment. 867 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,800 Then we will enter in a discussion and 868 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:25,560 we will see where it goes from there. 869 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,560 Give me two seconds to get set up. 870 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,200 Excellent. Okay, let me provide some 871 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,280 background. On April 28th, as you 872 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,000 recall, our city manager, Reese Go, 873 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,680 announced his retirement as the city 874 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,079 manager for the city of Tallahassee, 875 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:49,200 which started the process of a national 876 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:51,359 search for a new city manager. Uh, we 877 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,040 hired an incredible consulting company 878 00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:55,680 that went through the process of 879 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,000 advertising nationally, bringing in all 880 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:01,280 the applications, doing the first vet of 881 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,920 applications, and bringing us three uh 882 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,839 potential candidates for full interview. 883 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,280 We then each individually had the 884 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:10,000 opportunity to sit down with those 885 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:13,119 candidates and then the next day last 886 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,640 Wednesday we had the opportunity to do a 887 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,079 full interview and listen to the 888 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,720 presentations of the top three 889 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,800 candidates. All three candidates I think 890 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,960 uh did a wonderful job and I think once 891 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,640 again you will agree that uh we 892 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,880 congratulate them all on putting their 893 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,880 best foot forward on why they wanted to 894 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,200 serve the city of Tallahassee as city 895 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,040 manager. As a commission though, we 896 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,359 decided to move forward to make an offer 897 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,760 to Dr. Karen Jumville to be the next 898 00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:39,440 city manager of the city of Tallahassee 899 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,280 where then I was given the direction as 900 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,920 the mayor of Tallahassee to negotiate 901 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,160 the contract. From there, let me tell 902 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,000 you that as soon as we left the meeting, 903 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,760 I immediately went and sat down with the 904 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,240 director of human resources for the city 905 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,880 of Tallahassee to discuss the contract 906 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:56,560 negotiation to discuss what are the 907 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,640 terms that we need to discuss moving 908 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,560 forward to agree upon and what are some 909 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,880 of the guidelines. From leaving the 910 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,440 director of HR, I went directly to Lou 911 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,200 Norll who is the acting city attorney. I 912 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,760 asked him the same questions to provide 913 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:13,280 his professional guidance and to provide 914 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,200 his uh input on how the process should 915 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,440 work and I greatly appreciate both of 916 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,520 them. Over the course of the past week, 917 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,599 I have been working with Dr. Jumville to 918 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,240 come to an agreement on the proposed 919 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:25,760 contract. As of yesterday, we have a 920 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,079 verbal agreement that I will walk 921 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,000 through in just a second. Once I had 922 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:32,079 that verbal agreement, I immediately 923 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,319 went back to the director of human 924 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,079 resources, told her of the verbal 925 00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:38,319 agreement that we have and outlined the 926 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:40,640 bullet points uh that were to be placed 927 00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:42,640 into the contract. I also had a chance 928 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,200 to sit down with the city attorney, Amy 929 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,720 Toman, allow her to know where we were 930 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,480 with the agreement between Dr. 931 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:53,040 Jumanville and myself. And then once uh 932 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,079 then I believe the director of HR also 933 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:58,319 got with uh Amy uh Toman, the city 934 00:41:56,079 --> 00:42:00,560 attorney. Once they signed off on it, it 935 00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:03,520 went to the city manager who then placed 936 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,520 it on the agenda for public notice. As 937 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,839 we know, I do not have the power to hire 938 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,160 and fire myself, but I bring it back for 939 00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:11,680 full ratification. I will walk you 940 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,400 through the contract, but let me explain 941 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,800 the process. The contract is a verbal 942 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,720 agreement between Dr. Gentlemenville and 943 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,160 myself as mayor but myself I do not 944 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,640 carry the weight. It's the ratification 945 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,640 of the board. If we do not like the 946 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,880 contract and reject the contract as 947 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,040 presented then we can do one of two 948 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,880 things. Normally as it was explained to 949 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,000 me is we go back to the drawing board. 950 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,160 You provide direction of negotiation 951 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,160 points whether it's salary or or 952 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,520 whatever it may be and then we see if we 953 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,160 can come to an agreement and then I 954 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,960 bring it back for ratification. But do 955 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:48,319 we not necessarily take a vote to amend 956 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,160 the contract? Or I guess we could um and 957 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,880 then go back and negotiate as well. 958 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,560 Correct. 959 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,920 » I think we could do that, but it would 960 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,680 then it would have to go back to Dr. 961 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,560 Jumanville for approval, of course. 962 00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,520 » Sure. Of course. So, the contract that 963 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,200 was uh that was used is our standard 964 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,720 contract for appointed officials. And 965 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,640 again, I want to thank the director of 966 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:09,200 human resources and the city attorney's 967 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,800 office for walking me through. The major 968 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:14,000 points that I want to cover is number 969 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,000 one, the start date. Ree, I want to 970 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,319 publicly thank you once again for 971 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,720 agreeing to stay on as the city manager 972 00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:22,400 through September 30th and serving as a 973 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,800 city manager to get us through this 974 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,119 budget cycle. The proposed start date 975 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,720 that was agreed upon is October 1st, 976 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,599 which also happens to be the beginning 977 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:33,359 of the fiscal year. It is a clean start. 978 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:35,599 Ree will take us through this budget 979 00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:38,880 cycle. Karen will start as city manager 980 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:41,200 on October 1. that has been agreed upon. 981 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,920 The starting salary is posted at 982 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:46,560 $317,000. 983 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:49,599 And where $317,000 984 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:52,480 comes from is exactly where the position 985 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:55,520 of city manager of what Rese would be 986 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,000 making on October 1. Not a penny more, 987 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,920 not a penny less, is the exact same 988 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,440 amount. Now, I'm sure there's questions 989 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:04,880 on why, how much, the whole nine yards. 990 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,520 And I know that director of human 991 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,920 resources is here and fully prepared to 992 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,400 talk about where that falls within the 993 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:16,079 professional standard of a city our size 994 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,920 of a manager uh that runs all of the 995 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:19,920 utilities. So I know that you're 996 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,400 prepared if those questions come up, but 997 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,960 is it fair to say that we are nowhere 998 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,040 near the top of that professional 999 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,440 standard? In fact, we are still in the 1000 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:32,000 lower tier, but it is the salary that 1001 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,160 has been agreed upon with Dr. Jumanville 1002 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,920 and myself to bring forward before the 1003 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,079 city commission. 1004 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,839 Obviously, uh, pretty standard 20 weeks 1005 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,760 of severance pay as authorized by 1006 00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:46,640 section 215.425 1007 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:49,040 of Florida statutes. She has a, uh, 457 1008 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,079 retirement account with the city of 1009 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:55,520 Tallahassee. There was the question of 1010 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:58,160 whether she wanted a car allowance or to 1011 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,960 be able to drive one of the fleet cars 1012 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:03,280 of her choice. I appreciate the fact 1013 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,839 that she has chosen the route to go with 1014 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,839 a car allowance. If she went the route 1015 00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:10,720 with the fleet, the city would be on the 1016 00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:13,119 hook for car insurance, for fuel, for 1017 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:15,760 maintenance of that vehicle by going the 1018 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:19,440 route of a car allowance at $1,000 a 1019 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,200 month. Then that is her responsibility 1020 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,359 for insurance, for fuel, and for 1021 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,680 maintenance. But she gets to choose what 1022 00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:28,480 vehicle she would want to drive versus 1023 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,640 what is in fleet. Finally, I want to 1024 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,440 discuss the termination provision in the 1025 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,680 city manager's contract. It requires an 1026 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,920 affirmative vote of twothirds majority 1027 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,319 of the city commission, not a simple 1028 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,640 majority of the city commission. This is 1029 00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:44,720 something that I personally will take 1030 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,440 full ownership of and I strongly believe 1031 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:50,400 in. I think it depoliticizes the 1032 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,800 position of the of the city manager. I 1033 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,119 think it is needed. I have stood on this 1034 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,040 position for many many many years. When 1035 00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:00,000 I served as the chairman of the county 1036 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,720 commission when Vince Long was hired, I 1037 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,720 led the charge then to change the county 1038 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:07,119 charter to make sure that it was 1039 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:09,119 included. And to this day, the 1040 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:11,280 termination procedure for the county 1041 00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:14,240 administrator of Lyon County is a 1042 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,800 supermajority provision as well. Even to 1043 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:18,560 the point to where a couple of years ago 1044 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,880 when we changed the position and there 1045 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,240 is precedent here at the city commission 1046 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,119 when we changed the position of 1047 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:28,400 inspector general we put the termination 1048 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:31,680 language into the contract requiring a 1049 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,520 twothirds termination if we decided to 1050 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,200 separate with Dennis Sutton or whoever 1051 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:39,680 holds that position. It was then later 1052 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,960 added into the city charter. If you 1053 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,800 recall, I voted against that measure 1054 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,359 because I stated for the record at the 1055 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,800 time, and I still believe so today, that 1056 00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:54,480 all four appointed officials should have 1057 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:56,720 a 2/3 majority in their contract for 1058 00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,079 termination, and I still feel strongly 1059 00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:02,240 about that. So, annual salary of 1060 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:04,720 $317,000, 1061 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:07,200 20 weeks of severance pay, $1,000 1062 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:09,680 monthly automobile allowance, the city 1063 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,760 contribution to a 457 retirement 1064 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,480 account, the termination provision 1065 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,040 language of a supermajority, and the 1066 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,839 contract date starting on October 1 and 1067 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,839 ending on September 30th, 2031 to be 1068 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:23,760 ratified by the next commission. It is a 1069 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:26,079 five-year contract. That is pretty 1070 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,560 standard of what we provide as well. 1071 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:31,040 Those are the major bullet provisions. 1072 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,440 If I missed anything, I apologize. I am 1073 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:36,000 available for any questions on the 1074 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,160 points of the contract as proposed. 1075 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,720 Ultimately, it is the decision of this 1076 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:43,680 body to ratify it and whether we move 1077 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:45,359 forward in signature with Dr. Gmanville. 1078 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,400 I know we have public comment on this 1079 00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:50,640 item. Are there any quick just questions 1080 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,040 of clarification before I go to public 1081 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,560 comment? All right, let's go to public 1082 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,079 comment. How many speakers do we have, 1083 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,280 Mr. Clerk? Mayor, we've got about 10 or 1084 00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,079 11 speakers on the item. 1085 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,200 » Sounds great. 1086 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:03,040 » The first speaker is Marcia Rule, 1087 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,359 followed by Ernie Payne. 1088 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,200 » Great. 1089 00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:06,560 » As with Mr. Sims in our earlier 1090 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,359 comments, you'll have three minutes for 1091 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,720 your remarks. 1092 00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:09,040 » Your name and address for the record, 1093 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,480 please. 1094 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,400 » Marshia Rule, live in Myers Park. Uh, 1095 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,240 three things. First, this is premature. 1096 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,480 There's no reason this has to be filled 1097 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:20,720 right away. Uh, mayor, you said you 1098 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,400 wanted to depoliticize this process. The 1099 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:26,079 way to do that is wait until after the 1100 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:28,319 election. Second, the expense uh out of 1101 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:31,440 line for cities of our size. We're not 1102 00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:33,359 Tampa. And uh this is exactly the reason 1103 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,480 why so many of my neighbors are planning 1104 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:39,440 to vote three on vote yes on amendment 1105 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,680 three. I think it's misguided to do so, 1106 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,599 but this is exactly what people are 1107 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,760 rebelling against. And finally, 1108 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:47,280 regarding the twothirds majority, not 1109 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,520 only should the commission reject it, 1110 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,599 but so should the candidate. If a 1111 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,160 candidate cannot manage to keep three 1112 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:56,240 out of five commissioners satisfied that 1113 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,920 he or she is doing a good job, they 1114 00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,280 should resign. They shouldn't wait to be 1115 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,119 fired. Thank you. 1116 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,079 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 1117 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:05,920 » Ernie Payne is next, followed by Cotton 1118 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,520 Taylor. 1119 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,359 » All right. Your name and address for the 1120 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:12,480 record, please. 1121 00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:14,319 » Ernie Payne, uh, 2006 East Indian Head 1122 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,119 Drive. 1123 00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:19,119 Two years ago, this body considered a 1124 00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:20,880 proposal for submitting a charter 1125 00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:23,839 amendment to the ballot for the creation 1126 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,440 of the office of inspector general. 1127 00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:26,960 The most significant part of that 1128 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,200 amendment according to the inspector 1129 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,760 general himself in response to a 1130 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,480 question by commissioner Williams Cox 1131 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,559 was in order to strengthen the was the 1132 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,480 requirement for a supermajority vote for 1133 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:40,240 removal from office in order to 1134 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,839 strengthen the necessary independence of 1135 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:44,480 that office. 1136 00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:46,720 It was stated very clearly at that time 1137 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,119 that a charter amendment was required in 1138 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,559 order to change the charter language of 1139 00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:53,280 serving at the pleasure of the city 1140 00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:56,319 commission to serving to requiring a 1141 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,920 twothirds vote for removal. This was the 1142 00:49:56,319 --> 00:49:59,680 same language that the charter used at 1143 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,319 that time for the city auditor, the 1144 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,480 treasurer clerk, and the city manager to 1145 00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:06,160 define the employment terms of their 1146 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,680 offices. 1147 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,440 The proposal to send the charter 1148 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,160 amendment to the ballot was passed by an 1149 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,160 unusual 4 to1 vote [laughter] and the 1150 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,119 charter amendment was passed overwhelm 1151 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:20,640 overwhelmingly by the voters. The sole 1152 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:22,160 desenter among you was the mayor who 1153 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,839 stated that he opposed the ballot 1154 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,920 initiative because it was a massive 1155 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:28,079 change that should not be done in such a 1156 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,760 rush manner and there wasn't time to 1157 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:32,319 consider such a proposal before it went 1158 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:36,240 to the ballot. These words were spoken 1159 00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:38,480 on April 24th, 2024, 6 months prior to 1160 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:41,599 the election. 1161 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:44,000 Now, just one week after the new city 1162 00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:45,760 manager was appointed and the mayor made 1163 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,400 clear that he would be ne negotiating 1164 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,800 the employment contract, this contract 1165 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,559 was posted for public viewing just 24 1166 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,640 hours ago, 1167 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:58,079 providing for removal by a twothirds 1168 00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:00,000 vote. Also, following the links to the 1169 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:02,160 city charter posted on the Talgov 1170 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,920 website, the language that was in the 1171 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,520 charter two years ago that the city 1172 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,640 manager serves at the pleasure of the 1173 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,160 city commission has been removed. 1174 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,000 Although there has been no intervening 1175 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,000 charter amendment, 1176 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,559 the legality of this is at best 1177 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,119 questionable, although having been given 1178 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:21,119 less than 24 hours to research this, 1179 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:24,640 even a qualified attorney, which I am 1180 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:26,880 not, would be hardressed to answer. 1181 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,599 Please delay approval of the employment 1182 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,920 contract. If this moves forward today in 1183 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:33,440 this form, you are not only degrading 1184 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,000 the public trust of the people of 1185 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,559 Tallahassee, you would also be doing a 1186 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,480 disservice to your new city manager who 1187 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:42,559 will be entering her new office under a 1188 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,200 cloud. 1189 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:47,680 » A cloud of your own creation 1190 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,160 for no conceivable purpose other than to 1191 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:53,440 politicize an office that the charter 1192 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,000 explicitly defines as non-political. 1193 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,480 Thank you. 1194 00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:00,160 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 1195 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:03,839 » Next speaker is Cotton Taylor. 1196 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:05,200 » Cotton Taylor. And then Yuri Gotchaw. 1197 00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:07,119 » Your name and address for the record, 1198 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,800 please. 1199 00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:11,119 » Yeah. My name is actually Coulson 1200 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,839 Taylor. I live at 631 East Call Street. 1201 00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:15,599 » Apologies, 1202 00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:17,440 » I guess. Uh yeah. Okay. Um so, like you 1203 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:19,040 said, I think you you said that it's 1204 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,800 going to be non it's non-political that 1205 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,160 the 4 to1 vote that that's why you put 1206 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,000 it in there. actually think it's very 1207 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,559 bad faith and actually very political on 1208 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,319 your part. Um [clears throat] 1209 00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:30,800 I think that the charter says or at 1210 00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:32,400 least from what I read is said that the 1211 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,319 city city manager should serve at the 1212 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,000 pleasure of the uh city commission and 1213 00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:38,480 it seems like to me that that al that it 1214 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,319 implies a simple majority. Um so I'd 1215 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,160 like to see it keep like to see it kept 1216 00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:43,680 that way as a show of good faith to the 1217 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,520 city of Tallahassee to the rest of the 1218 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,960 commissioners. Um so yeah, thank you 1219 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:53,760 very much. Our next speaker, please. 1220 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:55,200 » Yuri Gotch, followed by Sha Thomas. 1221 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,480 » Your name and address for the record, 1222 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,640 please. 1223 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:02,079 » Hello, my name is Uri Gotchock. Uh, the 1224 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,839 address is 218 Broward Street. Um, so I 1225 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:06,559 would like to first uh start by 1226 00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:08,559 addressing you, Mr. Mayor. um in your 1227 00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:11,119 discuss of the time that it took to 1228 00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:13,440 pursue this candidate, at no point did 1229 00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:15,520 you mention when you were taking input 1230 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,559 from the public. As somebody who is a 1231 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,960 member of Tallahassy's society or uh 1232 00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,800 population, I feel very rushed and I 1233 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,119 felt like I did not get the opportunity 1234 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,720 to voice my opinion to say what I felt 1235 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:28,880 like the direction of the city and to 1236 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,559 make sure that that was going to be 1237 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,640 represented by the candidates. That 1238 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:35,040 includes go showing up to the event that 1239 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,640 happened last week which was posted one 1240 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,200 day before. It seems to be there's a 1241 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,640 long history of that. Now I wanted to 1242 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,960 come on and talk to this. I was going to 1243 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,599 ask you first of all whether or not you 1244 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,760 felt like you are not representing or 1245 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,920 you you no longer need the to represent 1246 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,440 the citizens of the of the public or the 1247 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,200 the opinions of the public. Whether or 1248 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,559 not you felt like you needed to listen 1249 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,400 to them and gather their input since you 1250 00:53:54,559 --> 00:54:00,559 were not running for reelection. I would 1251 00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:04,480 ask your your co- counselors if they 1252 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:07,440 would be able to stand on approving a 1253 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,680 contract with fewer votes than it would 1254 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,680 to eliminate that. That is, I think, the 1255 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,720 crux and the most important thing is 1256 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,559 that the reality is that given from what 1257 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,559 has happened from previous meetings, 1258 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:21,920 this it passes is going to pass with a 1259 00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:25,359 23 majority. And the reality is that it 1260 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:28,160 is a terrible policy to allow a lower 1261 00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:30,720 burden of proof, a burden of a consent 1262 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:34,559 to approve a contract than to reject it. 1263 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:38,000 And that handicaps my ability as well as 1264 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:41,359 my fellow citizens ability to speak and 1265 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,440 see some level of repercussion if you 1266 00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:46,319 guys make a decision that we don't agree 1267 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,480 with. So I ask very specifically about 1268 00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:51,200 the requirement for the twothirds 1269 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:54,720 majority that you do not approve any 1270 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,800 contract that has that level of barrier 1271 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:59,359 where the barrier to approve it is lower 1272 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,280 than the barrier to undo it later on 1273 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:05,440 because you have handicapped the ability 1274 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:06,960 for myself as well as possible future 1275 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:10,400 city commissions. One that you will not 1276 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,240 be a member of and their ability to 1277 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,599 speak and rule on that. And because of 1278 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:18,319 that, I ask that you, if nothing else, 1279 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:21,760 strike that, but preferably take longer 1280 00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:23,680 and provide opportunity for myself to 1281 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,280 show up to a meeting and actually meet 1282 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,640 the candidates. Because the reality is 1283 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,640 when I showed up to that meeting last 1284 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,960 week, I was in a situation where I felt 1285 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,319 like I was competing for the time. When 1286 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,480 I was having a conversation with your 1287 00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:37,119 candidate, I was actually interrupted 1288 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,359 and told I had enough time by Mr. Sims 1289 00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:42,640 because we were all trying to get some 1290 00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:44,800 time in with the possible chief 1291 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,280 executive of our city. Thank you for 1292 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,000 your time. 1293 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,680 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please 1294 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,640 Thomas 1295 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,640 and then Mark Chandler. 1296 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,680 » Your name and address for the record, 1297 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,960 please. 1298 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:06,799 » John Thomas, 2113 Joiner Drive. Good 1299 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,720 evening, mayor and commissioners. I'm 1300 00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:11,680 here to urge you to reconsider the 1301 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:14,079 proposed 3 thou 317,000 1302 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,559 annual salary and contract terms for the 1303 00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:18,480 city manager. Let's be clear, this is 1304 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:20,240 not just a personal decision made by the 1305 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,359 mayor. It's a major financial and 1306 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:26,480 governance decision that could blind and 1307 00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:28,319 bind Tallahassee for years. Residents 1308 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,720 deserve more than a lastm minute 1309 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:33,200 presentation of a contract with a 1310 00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:35,119 five-year term severance, extra 1311 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,599 allowance, automatic renewals, and a 1312 00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:39,359 provision requiring four or five four 1313 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,160 out of five commissioners to remove the 1314 00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:44,079 city manager. Mayor Daly, if this 1315 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,760 proposal is truly the best interest of 1316 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:48,640 Tallahassee, then it should have been 1317 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,640 able to withstand full public scrutiny, 1318 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,559 not be rushed through under the radar, 1319 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,799 or presented as if the public should 1320 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:56,720 simply accept it. You would have done it 1321 00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:58,319 your first term, not while you were not 1322 00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,400 running for reelection if it was that 1323 00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:03,280 important. The question is not whether 1324 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,440 the city manager's job matters. It does. 1325 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:09,520 The question is whether her pay should 1326 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:11,839 be that high. More than five 1.5 million 1327 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,440 in base pay over 5 years is the right 1328 00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:15,520 priority when working families are 1329 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,440 concerned about affordability. when 1330 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,680 residents expect safe streets and 1331 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,359 reliable infrastructure and when city 1332 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,400 employees serving the public everyday 1333 00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:27,200 need support and need support and 1334 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:30,240 competitive wages. This is not about 1335 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:32,559 only salary. It's about accountability. 1336 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:35,040 Under this proposed agreement, a future 1337 00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:37,839 commission could have a 3-2 majority, an 1338 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,000 ordinary majority of an elected body and 1339 00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:42,400 still be unable to remove the city 1340 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,040 manager. Four commissioners would have 1341 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,720 to agree. This is a serious restriction 1342 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,200 on the authority voters give their 1343 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,440 elected representatives. Mayor Daly and 1344 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,000 this commission should not use the final 1345 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,920 months of an outgoing political era to 1346 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,920 make it harder for future elected 1347 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,440 leaders to respond to the people of 1348 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,760 Tallahassee. 1349 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:04,880 If this contract is fair and necessary 1350 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,760 as it supports claims, then remove the 1351 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:10,480 four the four sorry four vote firing 1352 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,000 requirement, shorten the initial term, 1353 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,079 publish meaningful performance 1354 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,680 benchmarks and let a majority- elected 1355 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:18,319 commission retain the authority to make 1356 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:21,040 leadership changes. Tallassi deserves 1357 00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:22,880 the transparency, accountability, and 1358 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,680 leadership that does not treat public 1359 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:29,040 trust like a procedure 1360 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,880 like an obstacle obstacle. Thank you. 1361 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,440 Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 1362 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:37,640 » Mark Chandler is our next speaker, 1363 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,640 followed by Dot Enman Johnson. 1364 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,040 » Your name and address for the record, 1365 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,200 please. 1366 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:48,160 » My name is Mark Chandler. I live at 214 1367 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,599 West 4th Avenue. 1368 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,640 » So, one of the things that jumped out at 1369 00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:55,280 me proposed contract was the thousand a 1370 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,440 month automobile allowance. According to 1371 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,920 the contract, the automobile allowance 1372 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:02,559 is quote intended to compensate the 1373 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:04,400 employee for use of her personal vehicle 1374 00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:07,200 in connection with the performance of 1375 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,760 the employees work and other related 1376 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,200 employment duties. 1377 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,640 So, I'm not actually here to tell you 1378 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,720 that this needs to change or be stripped 1379 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,400 out of the contract, but I am here to 1380 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:19,200 ask you to just take a moment to 1381 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,280 consider 1382 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,040 that what this says about our built 1383 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,559 environment. 1384 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,079 Look, I think it's important for our 1385 00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:28,319 city manager to get around town quickly 1386 00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:30,960 and efficiently. Consider a scenario 1387 00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:32,640 where she's got a meeting on campus and 1388 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,720 then a ribbon cutting ceremony across 1389 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,799 town and it's got to get back to 1390 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,559 downtown to the office. How's she going 1391 00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:40,240 to do that? 1392 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:44,079 Well, she's going to drive. It's the 1393 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:46,480 obvious answer. It's obvious that she's 1394 00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:49,040 not going to rent a scooter. Scooters 1395 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,880 aren't allowed on campus, clean plaza, 1396 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,839 or anywhere outside of a select 1397 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:56,000 centralized boundary. It's obvious to me 1398 00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:58,240 that she's not going to take a bike 1399 00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:01,280 while there may be painted bike lanes 1400 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,640 between all those destinations. 1401 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,520 She probably wouldn't feel comfortable 1402 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,760 riding that close to traffic. 1403 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:10,480 I doubt she would take Star Metro 1404 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,040 because the next bus doesn't come for 1405 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,400 almost an hour. and the city commission 1406 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,280 meeting that night. What if it lasts 1407 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,880 past 7 o'clock? I don't think the night 1408 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,799 bus takes her anywhere near her house 1409 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,680 probably. 1410 01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:25,680 So, I would ask you to consider that 1411 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,920 we've effectively already made the 1412 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,760 decisions where $1,000 a month 1413 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,400 automobile allowance for the city 1414 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:35,400 manager is sadly the only obvious 1415 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,400 choice. 1416 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:40,640 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. Our 1417 01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:44,760 next speaker is Don Mcman Johnson who 1418 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,760 will be followed by Tiffany Hill. 1419 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,280 » Your name and address for the record, 1420 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,280 please. 1421 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:56,400 » Don Edinman Johnson, 2121 Trescott 1422 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,440 Drive. 1423 01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:02,640 I congratulate the newly appointed city 1424 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:06,160 manager for her many years of excellent 1425 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:10,319 service to the city of Tallahassee. 1426 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:14,880 However, I strongly disagree with the 1427 01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:17,280 rushed and flawed process that resulted 1428 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:20,960 in her appointment. 1429 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:25,920 I further oppose the language in her 1430 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:30,559 contract requiring a supermajority vote 1431 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:35,200 to hold her accountable to her contract. 1432 01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:37,760 The only appointed official to date 1433 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:42,319 with that distinction 1434 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:46,400 is the inspector general and it required 1435 01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:50,960 a ballot initiative and a vote by the 1436 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:54,799 public to make that possible. 1437 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:59,280 To date, there has been no change in the 1438 01:01:54,799 --> 01:02:03,520 city charter that would allow that to be 1439 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:05,920 extended to the other three appointed 1440 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,520 officials. 1441 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:11,359 Further, 1442 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:13,440 the city manager contracts throughout 1443 01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:16,720 Florida 1444 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:21,920 are at will employees 1445 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:24,240 requiring only a majority vote to hire 1446 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:28,480 and terminate. 1447 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:30,720 I question whether the contract complies 1448 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,280 with the Tallahassee 1449 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:35,119 city charter. 1450 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:39,280 This city 1451 01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:43,119 has voted on numerous 1452 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:48,480 important issues facing the public and 1453 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:52,240 it only required to this date a majority 1454 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:56,720 vote of the city commission. It required 1455 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:58,400 only a majority vote to put her in 1456 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:02,079 office 1457 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:06,319 and it should require only a majority 1458 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:08,799 vote if there is a reason for a 1459 01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:10,640 termination. Thank you. 1460 01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:12,880 » Our next speaker, please. 1461 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:15,880 » Tiffany Hill is next and then Stanley 1462 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,880 Sims. 1463 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,440 your name and address for the record, 1464 01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:29,839 please. 1465 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:33,760 » Hi, I am Dr. Tiffany Hill, um 1401 Lola 1466 01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:36,559 Drive. Uh I'm standing before you today 1467 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:39,119 um to voice my strong opposition to the 1468 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:42,880 proposed employment agreement for our 1469 01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:46,480 new city manager. Um while I'm going to 1470 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:48,640 respect um your selection process, um 1471 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,599 the contract before us is fiscally 1472 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:54,720 irresponsible and lacks the necessary 1473 01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:56,960 safeguards to protect taxpayers of this 1474 01:03:54,720 --> 01:04:00,640 city. First, let's talk about the 1475 01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:03,760 salary. A base of 317,000 1476 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:06,720 is an incredibly high starting point. 1477 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,799 When we look at this figure, we have to 1478 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:12,880 ask does it include adjustments for 1479 01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:15,680 rising cost of living and um that our 1480 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,680 residents are struggling 1481 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:20,079 and that our own re residents are 1482 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:22,000 struggling with. If this salary is being 1483 01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:24,480 set in a vacuum without a clear 1484 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,160 transparent link to current economic 1485 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,960 realities and the performance 1486 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:32,960 benchmarks, we are doing a disservice to 1487 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:35,760 the public. So furthermore, I am deeply 1488 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:39,119 concerned by the inclusion of the 1489 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:42,319 thousand monthly automobile allowance. 1490 01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:44,079 If you have a fleet on your property, 1491 01:04:42,319 --> 01:04:46,720 um, and I'm sure, you know, with me 1492 01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:49,119 being an outreach specialist that work 1493 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:51,440 for the federal government, rather I 1494 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:54,480 drove that car, not insurance, is 1495 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:57,200 actually going to be paid regardless. 1496 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,520 So, I don't see why a thousand monthly 1497 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:02,960 allowance is going to be allowed for 1498 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:05,119 somebody to drive their own vehicle. 1499 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:08,640 That is a lot considering that this 1500 01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:12,559 person is already making um more than 1501 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:15,280 what um the current city manager and a 1502 01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:18,400 lot of other city managers in the state 1503 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:20,319 of Florida are making. Perhaps most 1504 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:23,119 alarming, however, is the structure of 1505 01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:25,599 this contract regarding accountability. 1506 01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:28,559 We being asked to approve. You all are 1507 01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:31,039 being asked to approve a five-year term 1508 01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:34,559 that requires a twothird supermajority 1509 01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:36,880 vote just to dismiss the city manager. 1510 01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:39,280 By setting a such a high bar for 1511 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:42,640 termination, we are effectively 1512 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:45,200 stripping this comm that commission your 1513 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,760 commission of its ability to hold the 1514 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:49,760 city manager accountable. 1515 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:53,280 Finally, there is no mention of a 1516 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:56,240 probationary period. As a previous 1517 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:59,920 federal employee, we've always had at 1518 01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:01,119 least a year probationary period because 1519 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,079 just because someone, 1520 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:04,400 » You're at 30 seconds 1521 01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:07,680 » Worked in the city does not mean that 1522 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:11,119 they are capable of doing the job. So, 1523 01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:13,680 you don't want to lock yourselves into 1524 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:16,480 um a contract that you cannot get out if 1525 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:19,760 this person is not performing. So 1526 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:23,200 therefore, I really would appreciate you 1527 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:26,319 all listening to the public at this time 1528 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:29,839 and tableabling it and taking it back to 1529 01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:30,720 HR to reorganize this contract. 1530 01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:31,280 » You're at three minutes. 1531 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,920 » Thank you. 1532 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:36,480 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please 1533 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,760 » Stanley Sims and then Jordan Strickland. 1534 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,960 And we have two more speakers following 1535 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,240 that. We've had a couple added. 1536 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,720 » Okay. Your name and address for the 1537 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,640 record, please. 1538 01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:46,640 » Stanley Sims, still hanging out at 1539 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,640 Barack Obama way. 1540 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:57,200 First off, let me say um you know this 1541 01:06:54,000 --> 01:07:00,079 Reese Well, this won't be our last time. 1542 01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:03,039 We I'll see you October 5th down at 1543 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:06,039 Federal Building, 1544 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:06,039 but 1545 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,799 I had a conversation with two of your 1546 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:14,240 colleagues during the meet and greet. 1547 01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:17,440 I walked I'm not going to give their 1548 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:21,039 names. I walked up to him and I said, "I 1549 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:24,720 bet you it really surprised you when I 1550 01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:27,200 supported the pick of Karen." 1551 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,880 Little other stuff was said, but keep it 1552 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,760 there. [clears throat] 1553 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:38,119 He told me, he said, "In 10 years, I 1554 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:38,119 have expected the unexpected from you. 1555 01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:46,559 Whatever I do, I stand on it publicly. I 1556 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:50,640 sign my name to it. 1557 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:52,559 I got calls. First, Mr. Mel, I had to 1558 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:55,200 let Miss Ernestine know that you weren't 1559 01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:57,280 the mayor yet cuz she was upset cuz she 1560 01:07:55,200 --> 01:08:00,280 said, "You told me change. This ain't no 1561 01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,280 change." 1562 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:06,480 But I just don't understand, Mr. Mayor 1563 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:09,520 was after we all speak and if you'll 1564 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:12,319 write a note, how come the city manager 1565 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:15,119 gets the entitlement of the base salary 1566 01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:19,359 of the person that she's feeling? Cuz my 1567 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:22,319 wife didn't get that when she was hired. 1568 01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:24,239 I didn't get that. I didn't find out who 1569 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:27,679 was before me and how much they were 1570 01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:30,640 paying. The city actually told me, "We 1571 01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:34,199 can, even though you overqualify, we can 1572 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,199 only give you 10%." 1573 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:40,640 And I've got to withdraw my support for 1574 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:44,040 Karen because I don't think we can 1575 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,040 afford her. 1576 01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:53,960 We just gave 1577 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:53,960 171 city employees a paradise vacation. 1578 01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:01,279 I don't even think Google give out 1579 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,600 $61,000 1580 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,600 pay raises. 1581 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:14,719 And then the other thing you have really 1582 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,600 placed her in a very peculiar spot. 30 1583 01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:18,159 seconds. 1584 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,080 » And the reason I chose Karen because I 1585 01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:23,440 thought that the least damage would be 1586 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:25,600 done with her. 1587 01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:29,440 because it would be unfair for you to 1588 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:31,600 pick a new city manager and in the event 1589 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:33,920 they would have to undo it, it would be 1590 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,920 greater harm for people that live far 1591 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,560 away 1592 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,199 than someone here. 1593 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:44,000 You did a very disservice to Karen since 1594 01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:47,600 you want to own negotiating this 1595 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:49,359 contract. You set her up. Thank you. Our 1596 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,920 next speaker, please. 1597 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:55,400 » Jordan Strickland, followed by Cheryl 1598 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,400 Collier Brown. 1599 01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:58,960 » Your name and address for the record, 1600 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,440 please. 1601 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,520 » Jordan Strickland, uh, 2204 Altuna 1602 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,800 Drive, 32309. 1603 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,400 So, my name is Jordan Strickland. I was 1604 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,400 born and raised here in Tallahassee. And 1605 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:11,199 in 2016, I enlisted in the United States 1606 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,400 Air Force. And during that time, uh, 1607 01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:14,400 they instilled three different core 1608 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,159 values in me. Integrity first, service 1609 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,520 before self, and excellence in all we 1610 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,040 do. 1611 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,880 I came back home to Tallahassee 1612 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,480 expecting to find those same values in 1613 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,239 the people who lead the city. But 1614 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:26,239 instead, I'm looking at a contract that 1615 01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:30,920 would allow the city manager to only be 1616 01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:30,920 removed on a supermajority vote. 1617 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,199 Let's be honest about the timing of 1618 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,840 this. The city is roughly two months 1619 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:39,360 away from an election that is probably 1620 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,199 going to reshape the look of this 1621 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:44,480 commission. 1622 01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:47,760 And instead, sorry, instead I'm looking 1623 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:49,760 Sorry, sorry. Let's voters are about to 1624 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,280 have their say on who leads this city 1625 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,880 going forward. And instead of letting 1626 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,560 that election run its course, the 1627 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,560 majority of this commission is racing to 1628 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,719 lock in a decision that ties the hands 1629 01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,800 of whoever comes next. That's not 1630 01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:02,320 service before self. That's self before 1631 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,719 service. 1632 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,400 If this city manager is doing a good 1633 01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:08,800 job, a future commission would have no 1634 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,960 reason to remove her. 1635 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:14,080 But if she isn't and if there's a real 1636 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:16,320 problem that comes forth, it would take 1637 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:18,640 four out of five of you to remove that 1638 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:20,960 individual. I don't believe that that's 1639 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,880 pro protecting stability. I think that's 1640 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,800 protecting a bad decision from 1641 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,800 accountability. 1642 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,560 You were elected to do a job. Part of 1643 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,400 that job is trusting the voters and 1644 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,719 trusting the people who come after you 1645 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,960 to make their own decisions. tying their 1646 01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:36,640 hands because you're worried about they 1647 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,960 might not make the same decision that 1648 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:41,120 you would is the opposite of integrity. 1649 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,520 It's the opposite of service and it is 1650 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:46,000 the opposite of excellence. I ask for 1651 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:48,159 you to remove that clause, vote no, 1652 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,880 whatever you've got to do to it. Uh and 1653 01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:52,480 let the people of Tallahassee elect a 1654 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,080 commission 1655 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,280 that they want to lead this city. Thank 1656 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,679 you. I yield my time. 1657 01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:00,560 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please, 1658 01:11:57,679 --> 01:12:02,800 » Cheryl Collier Brown, 1659 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:05,800 and she will be followed by Delila 1660 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,800 Pierre. 1661 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:12,239 » Name and address for the record, please. 1662 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,679 » West Boulevard Street. I figured you all 1663 01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:16,719 could hear my teacher voice as I 1664 01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:20,000 approach the I've sat here and listened 1665 01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:22,880 through all of this and grant you 1666 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:26,239 there's some pros and cons 1667 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:28,640 whatever but it's time personally for me 1668 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:31,360 to say it's time to move on. The 1669 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:34,320 selection has been done. Uh we need to 1670 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:38,080 move on. Yes, the election is coming. It 1671 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:40,239 may change the diet the look of the city 1672 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:42,640 commission. All well and good. I think 1673 01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:44,400 Karen will be a great choice being in 1674 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,960 store of the climate that has been going 1675 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:49,679 on regarding the commission meetings, 1676 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:52,560 commission elections, the selection of 1677 01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:55,280 the city manager. So, let's move on. We 1678 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,199 got other things in the frying pan need 1679 01:12:55,280 --> 01:13:01,120 to be fried and I'm waiting for us to 1680 01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:03,120 get started with a new diet if it is and 1681 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,199 we'll deal with it then. I didn't have 1682 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,000 come up here to say yay or nay. I just 1683 01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:10,239 come to add that I am happy. I'm ready 1684 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,080 for us to move on. It's time for other 1685 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:14,400 things to occur. Thank you. 1686 01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:18,440 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 1687 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,440 » Next speaker is Delilah Pierre. 1688 01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,800 » Your name and address for the record, 1689 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,440 please. 1690 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,360 » Hi, my name is Delilah. I am a member of 1691 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:33,440 the Taci Alliance Against Racist and 1692 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,440 Political Repression, and my address is 1693 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:37,280 exempt. Uh, I'm here to talk about the 1694 01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:38,400 new city manager candidate and I think I 1695 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,239 should just be forthright and 1696 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,560 straightforward. Let's think about the 1697 01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:44,159 most cynical uh, way to view this. And I 1698 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,840 think the most cynical way to view this 1699 01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:48,080 is that the reason why they're pushing 1700 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,440 through Karen Jumano, who I really don't 1701 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,800 know anything about, I can't say much 1702 01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:52,239 about her. But the reason why they're 1703 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,159 pushing her in a process that's 1704 01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:55,840 unprecedented is because instead of 1705 01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:57,600 allowing the people of Tallahassee to 1706 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,040 have the time to think about a city 1707 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,960 manager candidate that's best for 1708 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,360 everyone, city commissioner John 1709 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:05,520 Dailyaly wants to appoint a city manager 1710 01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:09,840 who's best for him before he leaves 1711 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:12,159 office. Now, unfortunately, due to the 1712 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,480 constant actions you've done, whether 1713 01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:16,080 that's limiting public comment or making 1714 01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,760 it more and more difficult for people to 1715 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:20,239 speak at the city commission meetings or 1716 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:22,400 using your power as mayor and at the dis 1717 01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:24,159 to silence your fellow commissioners, I 1718 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,760 believe the most cynical option because 1719 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:28,080 your behavior shows the most cynical 1720 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,440 option is true. The city manager 1721 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,360 position is supposed to be a position 1722 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:33,199 that answers to the city commissioners. 1723 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,120 But city manager Reese Go during his 1724 01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:36,880 entire appointment has only answered to 1725 01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:39,120 himself and the rich in the city of 1726 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,719 Tallahassee. I can't think of one good 1727 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,960 thing he's done for the city except 1728 01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:45,440 maybe he helped put up a few signs. I 1729 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,280 guess the city manager should not be a 1730 01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:48,560 position that supersedes the rights and 1731 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,239 needs of the majority of people in 1732 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,159 Tallahassee. It should be a position 1733 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:54,320 that answers to the needs of people in 1734 01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:56,880 Tallahassee. I want a city manager who's 1735 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,640 not getting a vote of 1 something by two 1736 01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,080 members of the city commission. The only 1737 01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,159 members of the city commission, by the 1738 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:05,440 way, who are the ones who stand against 1739 01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:07,840 the city manager's constant alliance 1740 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:09,360 with the worst sectors of Tallahassee 1741 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,199 that prohibit and inhibit its 1742 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:14,159 development and stop our city from 1743 01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:18,239 having everything that we need. This 1744 01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:20,080 process needs to be more comprehensive. 1745 01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:22,239 When we choose a city manager, there 1746 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:24,320 should be more public options for people 1747 01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:26,080 to speak to them. And the public should 1748 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,360 have a chance to question the city 1749 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,360 manager candidate. I don't want to just 1750 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,920 see a park meet and greet from 4:00 to 1751 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:34,560 6:00 p.m. on a Tuesday. I want to see a 1752 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,480 real process that gives people power 1753 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,719 that lets people have the say over who 1754 01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:41,760 the city manager is. And if Karen is so 1755 01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:44,000 great, then awesome. Let's have her here 1756 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:46,320 with everyone else so people can ask her 1757 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,000 questions and talk to her and see her 1758 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,080 approach and development for the city. 1759 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,600 But I feel that city commissioner John 1760 01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,040 Dailyaly, city commissioner Curtis 1761 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,800 Richardson, and city commissioner Dian 1762 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:57,440 Williams Cox, who will most likely be 1763 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,679 the three yes votes for this position, 1764 01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:02,159 don't really care that much about that. 1765 01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:03,520 They care more about playing politics. 1766 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:05,840 They care more about submitting their 1767 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,920 power and they care more about having 1768 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,480 whatever dangerous effect on their city 1769 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:13,280 they can before inevitably some of them 1770 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:14,719 are pushed out of office. Thank you. 1771 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,159 » Our next speaker, please. 1772 01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:16,480 » Mayor, that was the last speaker on this 1773 01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:18,239 item. 1774 01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:20,560 » Is there anybody else here in chambers 1775 01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:21,920 that'd like to speak on this item? 1776 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,199 Anybody else that has not had the 1777 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,600 opportunity to speak that'd like to 1778 01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:28,159 speak on this item? All right. We've had 1779 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,280 11 public 1780 01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:31,360 » Sorry. 1781 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:33,120 » Oh, sure. Please come join us. And if 1782 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:35,120 you wouldn't mind, just fill out a card 1783 01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,400 after the fact and uh your name and 1784 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:40,320 address for the record, please. 1785 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:44,880 » Doug Han, I live at uh uh on Florida 1786 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:47,840 Avenue here. U just a quick note, uh 1787 01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:51,040 federal mileage for business is 76 cents 1788 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:54,560 a mile. Uh at $1,000 a month, you're 1789 01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:56,400 expecting your city manager to drive 1790 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,640 15,789 1791 01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:00,480 miles in performance of your duties 1792 01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,880 rather than to be in the office. Thank 1793 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:03,043 you. 1794 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:05,063 » Thank you. 1795 01:17:03,043 --> 01:17:05,063 [applause] 1796 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,640 » Any other public comment? Anybody else 1797 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:15,440 here that would like to speak? 1798 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,960 All right. To begin the uh conversation, 1799 01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:18,640 I will go ahead and make the motion for 1800 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,679 option number one. Is there a second to 1801 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:22,320 the motion on the table for discussion? 1802 01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:23,760 » Second. 1803 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,199 » Seconded by the mayor pro tent. Let's 1804 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,080 open it up for discussion. Commissioner 1805 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:29,679 Porter. 1806 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:31,760 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to start 1807 01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:33,199 first of all just by saying as far as 1808 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,760 I'm concerned this has absolutely 1809 01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:38,239 nothing to do with Dr. Dumanville. I 1810 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:41,199 wouldn't support this or any candidate 1811 01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:44,560 even if it was one who I had supported 1812 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:47,440 um in in the vote in the process that we 1813 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:52,159 enacted last week. I do want to ask the 1814 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:54,960 city attorney to weigh in um on some of 1815 01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:56,800 I I spoke to her this morning with with 1816 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,679 questions and concerns about the city 1817 01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:02,080 charter and the contract and I wanted to 1818 01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:03,440 hear I wanted to give her an opportunity 1819 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,120 to address that. 1820 01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:07,280 » Madam Attorney Mor. 1821 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:10,080 » Thank you, Commissioner. So, as I 1822 01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:13,040 mentioned, um the legal issue that is 1823 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:16,400 raised here, the guidance that we have 1824 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:19,199 is somewhat limited. um I'm unable to 1825 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:21,840 bring any opinions or case law that are 1826 01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:23,360 exactly on point. Um so what I need to 1827 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:26,239 do is to sort of rely on general 1828 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:29,440 government concepts and precedent. So I 1829 01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:30,800 think um the issue is is it I think the 1830 01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:34,560 question that you're asking commissioner 1831 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:38,000 is it legal to require a supermajority 1832 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:39,840 in this context in this contract? Um and 1833 01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,480 I think you know I'll start by saying 1834 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:45,040 our chart our charter is silent on that 1835 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:49,199 issue. There is nothing um in the 1836 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:51,600 charter that specifies when um the the 1837 01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:53,360 city commission has to have a simple 1838 01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:56,480 majority versus a super. It's just not 1839 01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:59,840 addressed. Um and as you know, the the 1840 01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:03,679 city manager serves at the pleasure um 1841 01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:06,159 of the city commission. So I will say 1842 01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:09,360 that you know the default interpretation 1843 01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:12,800 of a charter provision that is silent is 1844 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:14,719 likely to be a um a simple majority. um 1845 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:17,440 and and the years of practice here at 1846 01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:19,760 the city would also suggest that that 1847 01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:24,320 the actions of the city commission are 1848 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:27,360 uh are by city by um simple majority. Um 1849 01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:30,080 so if if that were true then you know 1850 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:33,600 the charter would prohibit um by 1851 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:37,679 implication you know a supermajority 1852 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:40,080 but again the charter is silent. though 1853 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:42,960 and there is no guidance I I was unable 1854 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:45,760 to locate any guidance that says with 1855 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:49,679 absolute certainty that at the pleasure 1856 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:52,320 means a simple majority. Um so I can't 1857 01:19:49,679 --> 01:19:54,000 speak with uh certainty that there is 1858 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,560 not some some room for other 1859 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:58,400 interpretation. The other uh way of 1860 01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:01,600 course of looking at it is that because 1861 01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:04,400 there is no explicit prohibition then 1862 01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:08,560 it's not prohibited um as a function of 1863 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:12,560 home rule uh and that the contract term 1864 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:14,719 for a supermajority for removal is um is 1865 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:18,320 simply that it's a it's a term of 1866 01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:22,000 employment. So, um 1867 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:24,880 I think that argument may rely on the 1868 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:27,760 idea that the charter is sort of the 1869 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:30,080 minimum and uh that the city commission 1870 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:33,840 itself acting as a body has the 1871 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:38,080 authority to uh to impose different 1872 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:40,960 requirements on its on itself. Um I will 1873 01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:44,080 say that as to the second point there 1874 01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:47,360 have been recent examples of city 1875 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:49,600 commissions um Fernandina Beach is one 1876 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:52,960 and actually just last night Marathon 1877 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:56,800 Florida uh both passed their city 1878 01:20:52,960 --> 01:21:00,400 councils passed um executive contracts 1879 01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:02,880 with um the supermajority for removal. 1880 01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:05,520 So that suggests to me not necessarily 1881 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:08,880 that that's right. those have not been 1882 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:10,320 tested yet. Um, so we don't have I don't 1883 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,320 have a case, you know, I don't have a 1884 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:14,560 Supreme Court decision that says that 1885 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:16,640 those were tested and the the court 1886 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,400 decided one way or the other, but they 1887 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,920 are precedent and they are and they are 1888 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,199 out there and I think it's I thought it 1889 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,960 was important to bring that to the 1890 01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:24,800 commission's attention. 1891 01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:29,120 » Commissioner Porter, 1892 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:32,640 » Thank you. So your legal opinion is that 1893 01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:34,800 we have since 1894 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,880 since the inception of the city charter, 1895 01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,199 we have interpreted that to mean a 1896 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,719 simple majority. 1897 01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:42,480 » I don't know if I could say that in 1898 01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:44,239 every case since the inception. 1899 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:46,640 » Okay. When have we not? 1900 01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:47,760 » I can't identify over the course of 1901 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,199 history. I I don't know. 1902 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,880 » Okay. In the past, since you've been at 1903 01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:54,639 the city of Tallahassee, have we ever 1904 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:56,000 interpreted that to mean anything but a 1905 01:21:54,639 --> 01:21:57,760 simple majority? 1906 01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,159 » I don't think we've ever been faced with 1907 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:03,040 this specific question, but probably not 1908 01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:05,520 » On point. Two years ago when we changed 1909 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:09,280 the contract of the inspector general to 1910 01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:12,320 a m uh supermajority based on your legal 1911 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,760 opinion that we could do it. And I was 1912 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,560 the lone descending vote because I 1913 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,560 thought we should do all 1914 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,679 » And was it not also legal? I've got the 1915 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,880 floor. Commissioner Porter Hull in just 1916 01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:19,840 a second. I'm coming back to you in just 1917 01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,480 a second. 1918 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:25,120 » So, yes, we can point to a specific 1919 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:27,360 example in recent history as of two 1920 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:30,480 years ago based on your legal opinion 1921 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:33,120 that we could do it and did do it. And 1922 01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:35,679 then the Citizens Advisory Council for 1923 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,840 the Charter Review Commission then said, 1924 01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:40,239 "We need to take this language and put 1925 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:42,960 it before the citizens to vote upon put 1926 01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:45,040 it in the charter." And it passed. 1927 01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:48,639 And I'm hoping that a future commission 1928 01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:50,719 will follow the exact same steps and 1929 01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:53,120 take the language of the city manager 1930 01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:56,320 and a future charter review commission 1931 01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:58,880 will put it in the charter as well. But 1932 01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:00,800 to answer your question, yes, we do have 1933 01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:03,600 a very specific example in recent 1934 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:05,760 history based on your legal opinion of 1935 01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,639 the action that we took in regards to 1936 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,760 inspector general. 1937 01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:11,840 » May I respond, Mr. May? Um I I don't 1938 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:14,000 recall I'm not saying that we didn't 1939 01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:18,400 have a a conversation about this 1940 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:21,440 particular uh legal issue, but um the 1941 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:24,880 city uh inspector general's contract was 1942 01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:28,320 not amended until after the um charter 1943 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:31,040 was passed. There was discussion about 1944 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:33,600 um his about the twothirds and how he 1945 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,679 considered that to be the the sort of 1946 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,679 best practice for inspector generals, 1947 01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:39,199 but I I do not believe that the contract 1948 01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:41,040 was actually amended until after the 1949 01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:43,040 charter. Well, Madam Attorney, then 1950 01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:45,280 we've got a conflicting opinion and I 1951 01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:47,120 appreciate Commissioner Porter's uh 1952 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:50,000 position and I appreciate the advice 1953 01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,920 that you gave her. The advice that the 1954 01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:54,000 acting city attorney Lou Norell gave me 1955 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:57,520 a week ago when we met and the advice 1956 01:23:54,000 --> 01:24:00,239 that you gave me yesterday when we met 1957 01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:02,800 uh is contrary to the advice that you 1958 01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:06,159 gave Commissioner Porter. Now, I am 1959 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,560 still of I am still of the opinion that 1960 01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:10,800 we can and we should and I support the 1961 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,719 motion on the table under home rule 1962 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,639 authority in the Florida Constitution, 1963 01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:17,280 anything that is not legislatively 1964 01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:18,560 prohibited is allowed for local 1965 01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,280 governments to establish their own 1966 01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:24,000 principles. And under the same theory of 1967 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:26,480 our charter, unless legislatively 1968 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:29,040 prohibited in the city charter, we are 1969 01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:30,400 allowed to move forward. Hence again the 1970 01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,880 reason why we took action with the 1971 01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:34,960 inspector general the way we did. The 1972 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,719 reason why there is no case law in state 1973 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,520 of Florida that you could find and point 1974 01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:41,199 to. Another example, Bernandina Beach 1975 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,600 recently with their city attorney 1976 01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:46,320 putting in supermajority language. As 1977 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:48,480 recently as last night with the city of 1978 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:50,960 Marathon putting in supermajority 1979 01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:53,679 language with the hiring with the firing 1980 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:55,679 of their city manager contract as well. 1981 01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:58,960 There is precedent. There's precedent 1982 01:24:55,679 --> 01:25:01,600 here. Um, I believe our charter speaks 1983 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:03,120 to it because it doesn't prohibit it 1984 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,320 under home rule authority and I'm 1985 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,440 prepared to vote and move forward. 1986 01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,960 Commissioner Porter, you have been 1987 01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:07,600 generous with your time. You have the 1988 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:11,239 floor. 1989 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,239 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 1990 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:17,199 I want to clarify for the public as well 1991 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:20,000 and for the record the reason that we 1992 01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:21,679 move forward with a supermajority 1993 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:24,719 requirement for termination for the 1994 01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:27,840 inspector general. The inspector general 1995 01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:30,159 has the authority to investigate elected 1996 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:33,760 officials. Can you imagine being in the 1997 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:35,199 position of investigating your bosses? 1998 01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,480 That's got to be really tough, right? 1999 01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:38,800 You're probably not going to want to do 2000 01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:41,440 it if you know how easily your bosses 2001 01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:44,159 can fire you. So the best practice as 2002 01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:47,280 recommended by the associations that 2003 01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:49,760 represent inspectors general is not only 2004 01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:52,800 that their termination be a 2005 01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:54,639 supermajority but also that there be a 2006 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,719 cause. They have to be terminated with 2007 01:25:54,639 --> 01:26:00,159 cause and there has to be an appeal 2008 01:25:56,719 --> 01:26:02,320 process. The city manager is not 2009 01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:05,199 designed to be independent. The 2010 01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:08,000 inspector general is the city manager. 2011 01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:10,159 The role is administrative. 2012 01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:12,239 It is to serve at the pleasure of the 2013 01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:16,199 city commission who the voters of 2014 01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:16,199 Tallahassee elect. 2015 01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:21,120 This is not a best practice. It is not 2016 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:23,440 recommended by the International City 2017 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:26,320 Managers Association. It is not 2018 01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:30,159 recommended by the National Civic League 2019 01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:32,719 who awarded us the Allameric City Award. 2020 01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:34,480 I recognize that managers need 2021 01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:37,440 protection. They need employment 2022 01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:39,920 protection as does the ICMA. as does 2023 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:42,639 this National Civic League. That is why 2024 01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:44,159 they are awarded very generous severance 2025 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:48,960 packages. 2026 01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:52,880 20 weeks. Do the math. $317,000 2027 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:56,480 starting salary. 20 weeks severance. 2028 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:59,440 This is a government. This is not a 2029 01:26:56,480 --> 01:27:02,239 country club. We don't just do favors 2030 01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:04,000 for people like this. No. And I'm not 2031 01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:06,320 talking about anyone in particular. I'm 2032 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:08,880 genuinely not. 2033 01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:11,360 No one's job is more important than the 2034 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,239 well-being and the voice of this 2035 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:12,800 community. 2036 01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:15,800 » Amen. 2037 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,800 » Okay. 2038 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:24,560 I also genuinely believe, you know, we 2039 01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:27,360 talk a lot about our council manager 2040 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:29,199 form of government that we have. When I 2041 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,520 was in graduate school, I thought I 2042 01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:33,600 wanted to be a city manager. And I was 2043 01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:36,080 given the Bee Herald Farmer Scholarship 2044 01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:39,040 Award by the Florida City County 2045 01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:41,520 Managers Association in recognition of 2046 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:44,320 of my my p my interest in city 2047 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:47,679 management and my my academic career up 2048 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:50,159 to that point. I really feel like this 2049 01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:54,080 violates the spirit of the council 2050 01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:57,120 manager form of government um that is 2051 01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:59,199 intended to be responsive. Everything 2052 01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:02,400 about our government, our system of 2053 01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:05,840 government, Robert's rules of order is 2054 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:08,159 to to ensure that the minority are heard 2055 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,320 but that the will of the majority 2056 01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:13,600 prevails. 2057 01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:16,159 This does not change that. We already 2058 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:18,719 and no one in here probably is will come 2059 01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:21,760 as a surprise that I have I have rated 2060 01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:25,360 our current city manager with poor 2061 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:27,199 scores in his evaluations. 2062 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:30,560 He's been my city manager for the past 2063 01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:32,880 six years. We already have a system that 2064 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:36,320 works. 2065 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:38,639 So, for this to come on the agenda and I 2066 01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,480 I would like I I apologize, but I mean I 2067 01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:42,159 feel like I need clarity from the city 2068 01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:45,840 attorney because when I spoke to her 2069 01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:47,840 this morning, you know, it was 2070 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,360 what what she relayed to me was that she 2071 01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,719 was not part of this specific 2072 01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,239 conversation 2073 01:28:50,719 --> 01:28:54,480 » And that she spent the evening 2074 01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:56,639 researching this herself. I'd also like 2075 01:28:54,480 --> 01:29:00,159 to say to the governments, it is 2076 01:28:56,639 --> 01:29:03,199 extremely rare to require supermajority 2077 01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:04,960 and the city that I saw the cities one 2078 01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:07,199 at least one of them that I researched 2079 01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,719 that has that that recently passed it 2080 01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:12,000 they did that because they were having 2081 01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:14,800 trouble keeping city managers 2082 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:16,560 attracting city managers. So in all of 2083 01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,280 this discussion, whether it's salary, 2084 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:21,440 whether it's the supermajority, 2085 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:24,960 you want of course to hire the best, to 2086 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:27,600 retain the best, but the the question 2087 01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:30,639 needs to also be like, what purpose does 2088 01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:33,120 this serve? Is there a problem that 2089 01:29:30,639 --> 01:29:36,000 we're trying to fix here? There's a lot 2090 01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:38,960 of talk about depoliticizing 2091 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:41,360 this process. On the one hand, I agree. 2092 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:44,159 On the other hand, this is politics. 2093 01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:46,960 This is what we do. There will always be 2094 01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:49,600 elections and I do think it's entirely 2095 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,840 inappropriate to tie the hands of future 2096 01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:53,679 commissioners. Um, and I'm not even 2097 01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:56,639 talking about in two months. I'm talking 2098 01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:59,520 about in five or 10 years. There is no 2099 01:29:56,639 --> 01:30:03,120 justification that I have heard that 2100 01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:05,840 convinces me that decades of precedent 2101 01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:09,120 that the professional associations that 2102 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:11,760 govern city managers across this entire 2103 01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:15,040 country. 2104 01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:16,880 There's no gives me no reason to think 2105 01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:19,840 that this is a best practice that this 2106 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:22,560 is standard. And on top of all of that, 2107 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:24,639 we have to reckon with the fact that our 2108 01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:27,600 city attorney doesn't really know 2109 01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:30,719 because there is no precedent for this. 2110 01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:33,760 It hasn't been legally tested. That 2111 01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:35,520 opens us up to litigation 2112 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:38,080 and all kinds of other I don't even know 2113 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:41,199 why we would go down this direction with 2114 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:45,440 with that level of uncertainty. Um 2115 01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:47,280 especially given the other concerns. So, 2116 01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:49,679 I would 2117 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:52,400 I would like to make a a substitute 2118 01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:54,719 motion and I'm I'm willing to compromise 2119 01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,639 on everything else. I have said from the 2120 01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:58,320 beginning I don't believe this process 2121 01:30:56,639 --> 01:31:02,320 should have taken place before the 2122 01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:05,520 election. I do not believe that um that 2123 01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:08,400 salary is appropriate, 2124 01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:11,120 but I'm willing to support a contract 2125 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:13,760 today 2126 01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:16,400 with a simple majority for termination. 2127 01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:18,719 So that would be my motion that we move 2128 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:21,760 forward with this contract agreement 2129 01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:25,199 with the change that the termination 2130 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:27,040 does not require a supermajority vote. 2131 01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:30,159 There is a mo a substitute motion on the 2132 01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:32,000 table made by Commissioner Porter simply 2133 01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:34,480 let me make sure I get this correctly 2134 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:36,800 maintaining all points of the contract 2135 01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:39,360 and changing the termination language to 2136 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,760 a simple majority from a supermajority. 2137 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,360 » Yes. 2138 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,840 » Okay. Is there a second to the motion? 2139 01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:45,040 » Second. 2140 01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,920 » Second by Commissioner Melo. Comment 2141 01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,159 » Commissioner Melo. 2142 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,920 » Uh thank you Mr. Mayor and um thank you 2143 01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:53,280 for bringing the motion commissioner 2144 01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:56,480 Porter. You know, to me, this entire 2145 01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:59,440 process has been intentionally designed 2146 01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:01,840 by the mayor to divide this commission 2147 01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:03,440 every step of the way. Uh, the community 2148 01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,760 spoke loud and clear. They wanted this 2149 01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:08,080 decision to wait until after the 2150 01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:10,320 elections. Five of the six candidates 2151 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:13,040 for office on the November ballot asked 2152 01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:15,280 for the city commission to wait until uh 2153 01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:17,199 after the election. Nevertheless, a 2154 01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,760 majority wanted to move forward uh with 2155 01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:23,120 this selection process. a simple 2156 01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:25,440 majority 3-2. I respect the will of the 2157 01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:27,840 majority of this board. When this came 2158 01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:31,280 back, I requested that we we give a 2159 01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:33,040 one-year contract to Dr. Jimville so the 2160 01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,960 next commission could have an 2161 01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:37,360 opportunity to get to know her, work 2162 01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:39,440 with her for an entire year and then 2163 01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:41,280 make a decision uh if they would like to 2164 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:43,679 move forward or if they'd like to go 2165 01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,520 back to a search process. this provide 2166 01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:47,440 continuity and stability for this 2167 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:50,960 government that is desperately uh 2168 01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:54,159 needed. That compromise was rejected by 2169 01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:56,080 a simple majority, a 3-2 vote of this 2170 01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:59,440 board. 2171 01:32:56,080 --> 01:33:01,600 For 200 years, 2172 01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:03,760 city commission precedent, local code, 2173 01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:06,080 and state law 2174 01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:10,080 have shown that a simple majority is how 2175 01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:12,639 a a city commission expresses its will. 2176 01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:15,120 A contract 2177 01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:17,280 cannot alter 2178 01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:18,960 what's in the city charter. The city 2179 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:21,600 charter is the constitution of the city 2180 01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:23,280 of Tallahassee. Just like a law that the 2181 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,960 governor passes can't change what's in 2182 01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:27,679 the constitution and they get challenged 2183 01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:30,320 and struck down. This is no different. 2184 01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:32,480 The a contract inserting this into the 2185 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:35,040 contract can't change what's expressly 2186 01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:38,320 laid out in the city charter. And it is 2187 01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:41,679 not silent. The city charter says the 2188 01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:43,920 city manager serves at the pleasure of 2189 01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:46,560 the city commission. The pleasure of the 2190 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:48,239 city commission is a 3-2 vote. We have 2191 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:50,560 200 years of history knowing what the 2192 01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:53,360 pleasure of the city commission is on 2193 01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:56,159 every item we we've ever discussed. The 2194 01:33:53,360 --> 01:34:00,880 city commission has fired previous city 2195 01:33:56,159 --> 01:34:03,360 managers on a 3 to2 vote, exercising the 2196 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:05,520 pleasure of the city commission. There's 2197 01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:08,480 a long history in this government of how 2198 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,239 this operates. What this attempts to do 2199 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:12,719 is circumvent the charter review 2200 01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:14,560 process. Mayor Daly called for a charter 2201 01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:16,480 review process. There was a committee 2202 01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:18,560 that brought forward recommendations. 2203 01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:21,520 Commissioners brought forward individual 2204 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:23,520 recommendations as as well. 2205 01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,199 Silent on whether we should change this 2206 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,960 rule. It was never brought forward for 2207 01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:29,679 discussion. It was never put to the 2208 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:31,920 border voters which is required by the 2209 01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:34,159 city charter to have changed. That is 2210 01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:35,760 the power of the people. This is not our 2211 01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:38,080 government. It's the people's government 2212 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:40,639 and that's dictated by uh the city 2213 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:44,159 charter. So what what what no matter 2214 01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:46,400 what the vote is today, it's invalid. 2215 01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:48,639 You can't add you can't take away powers 2216 01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:51,679 of the city commission by way of 2217 01:34:48,639 --> 01:34:53,840 contract language. It wouldn't stand up. 2218 01:34:51,679 --> 01:34:56,239 So the question would be and and madam 2219 01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:59,840 attorney a year from now if they pass 2220 01:34:56,239 --> 01:35:02,159 this this this contract language and 2221 01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:04,960 three commissioners move to terminate a 2222 01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:06,080 city manager where does that leave the 2223 01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,040 city of Tallahassee? 2224 01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,440 » Madam Attorney 2225 01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:12,239 » Thank you Mr. Mayor. I believe that um 2226 01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:15,360 again I don't have um these are 2227 01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:18,880 questions that are not you know at 2228 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:20,719 answered in current law. Um but I 2229 01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:23,360 believe that in that circumstance that 2230 01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:25,679 the city commission could could like 2231 01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:28,400 they could any contract uh well not any 2232 01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:32,960 contract but they could act with a 3-2 2233 01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:34,480 uh majority to um to end the contract. 2234 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,239 But that would be a breach of the 2235 01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:38,159 contract. That would be a breach of the 2236 01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:40,560 provision of the contract that requires 2237 01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:43,280 a supermajority to do so. That would 2238 01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:46,080 mean that the um appointed the official 2239 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:48,639 who is the subject of the um contract 2240 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:50,159 would have breach of contract rights. 2241 01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:52,239 Primarily they would be the severance 2242 01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:55,360 pay which they that the contract 2243 01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:58,239 provides to the um appointed official 2244 01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:59,679 upon a termination without cause. But it 2245 01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:03,760 is possible that there could be some 2246 01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:08,320 other um contract uh damages that might 2247 01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:10,320 be um recoverable. I I can't with the 2248 01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,600 short notice I can't really give you 2249 01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,920 what an example of what that might be, 2250 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,600 but it could cost the city more is is I 2251 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,159 guess my point if there's a breach of 2252 01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,199 contract. 2253 01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:22,000 » Sure. Okay. And and the point I'm making 2254 01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:24,560 and confirmed by your opinion is this 2255 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:26,480 contract cannot change the authority 2256 01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:28,560 expressly given to the city commission 2257 01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:30,560 in the charter when we if that decision 2258 01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:32,080 were made in the the future. The 2259 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:34,320 authority comes from the charter. It 2260 01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:36,880 does not come from uh the contract. And 2261 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:39,520 since that authority cannot be changed 2262 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:41,199 in the contract, this is invalid 2263 01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:43,199 language. And it's not just the city 2264 01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:45,040 that would have to uphold to this. It 2265 01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:48,400 would be up to anybody who enters a 2266 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:50,400 contract with a mun municipality needs 2267 01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:52,480 to know the limitations of the city's 2268 01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,639 contracting authority. We don't have the 2269 01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:56,639 ability to put this into a contract 2270 01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:59,119 because it's counter to our our our 2271 01:36:56,639 --> 01:37:02,560 city's charter. Um so all all that to 2272 01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:05,679 say um this commission will express its 2273 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:08,320 will. But I believe this has been wholly 2274 01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:12,719 politicized by the mayor. Has never been 2275 01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:14,719 about um an individual. For 200 years, 2276 01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:17,440 this city has maintained the way it 2277 01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:19,679 hires and fires its city manager in 60 2278 01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:21,280 days before an outgoing uh mayor goes 2279 01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:23,440 out, he wants to throw a monkey wrench 2280 01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:26,560 in that whole process. It doesn't make 2281 01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:29,199 any sense. uh the inspector general knew 2282 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:33,360 the the limitations of a contract in the 2283 01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:35,600 city uh uh the city charter brought it 2284 01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:37,440 forward brought it to the voters and it 2285 01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,440 was approved. If this is a change this 2286 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:41,440 board would like to proceed, put it on 2287 01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:42,320 the ballot, let the voters decide. Thank 2288 01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:44,239 you, Mr. Mayor. 2289 01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:46,000 » There is a substant motion on the table 2290 01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:48,000 made by Commissioner Porter, second by 2291 01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:49,760 Commissioner Matlo changing the termin 2292 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:52,080 termination language from a 2293 01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:54,639 supermajority to a simple majority. Any 2294 01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:57,040 other comments? 2295 01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:59,760 Are we ready to vote? 2296 01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:02,239 Okay. For the substitute amendment on 2297 01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:03,199 the table, all those in favor signify by 2298 01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:03,920 saying I. 2299 01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:05,360 » I. 2300 01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,080 » All those opposed? 2301 01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:06,719 » Nay. 2302 01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,520 » Nay. 2303 01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:14,468 » And the substitute motion fails. Three 2304 01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:14,468 to two with commissioner. [music] 2305 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:19,520 » We can if we can have order please, that 2306 01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:22,400 would be great. Thank you. I appreciate 2307 01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:24,080 it. And we are back on to the original 2308 01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,880 motion. Commissioner Williams Cox, you 2309 01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,960 are recognized. 2310 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:31,199 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Let me let me just 2311 01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:32,880 be very clear. This is about Karen. 2312 01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:34,560 It's her contract. 2313 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,000 » It's a contract between 2314 01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,679 » Who who do you represent? 2315 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:40,000 » Okay. I'm going to ask one more time 2316 01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:41,840 that if we could please have some order. 2317 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,840 We allowed the public to speak and we 2318 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:46,639 listen to everyone and we're under 2319 01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:48,080 commission discussion. And please, if 2320 01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:50,560 you would let us continue with the 2321 01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,920 discussion with continue with the vote 2322 01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:54,560 without the interruption from the 2323 01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:56,719 audience, I'd appreciate that. I do not 2324 01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:58,000 want to have to clear the chambers. 2325 01:38:56,719 --> 01:39:00,719 Commissioner Williams Cox. 2326 01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:03,119 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is about 2327 01:39:00,719 --> 01:39:07,280 Karen. This is a contract that will have 2328 01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:09,040 her name on it. This is a 27year city of 2329 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:11,840 Tallahassee employee currently serving 2330 01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:13,760 as a deputy city manager. the terms of 2331 01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,440 the contract excluding the the 2332 01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,600 supermajority 2333 01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:19,199 the money would be the same money that 2334 01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:21,119 if Reese was going to continue to be 2335 01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:25,840 here would be the money that he would 2336 01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:29,040 earn. Point blank. There is a savings 2337 01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:33,360 because Reese actually drives a fleet 2338 01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:38,159 truck. Okay. Karen will be driving her 2339 01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:43,119 own car with her $1,000 a month um u um 2340 01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:46,560 allowance. But the but the the the 2341 01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:49,360 the supermajority 2342 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:52,320 unfortunately is where we seem to be 2343 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:55,119 headed in this state and in this country 2344 01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:57,520 because of the the political climate. 2345 01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:59,600 Now what let's let's just be clear. 2346 01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:02,000 Commissioner Matllo, 2347 01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:04,159 you have been very vocal on social media 2348 01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:07,360 about what you would do if you become 2349 01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:10,159 mayor to the city manager that we would 2350 01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:12,800 select. So 2351 01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:15,440 you have put that out there. You said 2352 01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:18,480 what you would do. So that doesn't sound 2353 01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:19,440 like someone who is looking to move in 2354 01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:20,560 this 2355 01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:22,480 » Come to you in just a second. 2356 01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:24,320 » That doesn't look that doesn't look like 2357 01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:25,600 someone who is trying to bring this city 2358 01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:28,239 together. 2359 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:30,400 » We're trying to stabilize this city by 2360 01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:33,199 making sure we have some folks in place 2361 01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:34,719 who know how to run this city because 2362 01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:36,960 they've worked their way up through the 2363 01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:41,679 city and know the different parts of the 2364 01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:45,280 city. That to me is worth more than um 2365 01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:48,800 any any any you know amount of money. 2366 01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:51,840 Unfortunately, it is during a campaign 2367 01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:54,960 season, but we cannot govern our 2368 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:57,440 community by campaigns. We've got to 2369 01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:59,920 govern them by the stability of what 2370 01:40:57,440 --> 01:41:02,239 residents expect us to have. This is a 2371 01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:05,199 well-run city. Whatever you think about 2372 01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:07,600 it that it it is a well-run city. I've 2373 01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:09,520 worked with the 411 cities, towns, and 2374 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,560 villages, and folks want to know how are 2375 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:12,560 we doing what we're doing in 2376 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:14,800 Tallahassee. It is a great place to 2377 01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:17,199 live, work, and play. And I I want to be 2378 01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:21,600 a part of making sure that it continues 2379 01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:25,119 in that way. And to depoliticize 2380 01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:26,400 this for our appointed officials, all of 2381 01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:28,400 them. 2382 01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,159 » I believe this is the way to go. It's 2383 01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:32,159 just that at this moment in time, cuz 2384 01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:34,880 someone said to me, the timing, the 2385 01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:37,679 timing is contract time. It's not 2386 01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:40,880 election time. It's contract. It is time 2387 01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:43,440 for a contract for a city manager. So 2388 01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:46,000 you going in anybody I'm you know I'm 2389 01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:47,199 not an attorney but I've done some 2390 01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,719 contracts before and if you're going to 2391 01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:50,560 do a contract you the terms of the 2392 01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:53,040 contract are done at the time of 2393 01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:55,440 negotiation and the negotiation has 2394 01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:57,760 occurred and these are the terms that 2395 01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:59,840 she has agreed to. Now, the other 2396 01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:01,760 candidates may have found themselves in 2397 01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:03,520 the same way because we heard from them 2398 01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:05,040 that they've been watching and watching 2399 01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,000 our commission our commission meetings. 2400 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,400 They've been watching what's happening 2401 01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:12,080 in the city and some of them some folks 2402 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:14,480 decided not to apply. So, you're right, 2403 01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:17,119 Commissioner Porter. Cities are having 2404 01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:18,800 trouble attracting and keeping. Last 2405 01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:21,199 night, someone got fired last night. A 2406 01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:23,600 city manager got fired last night and 2407 01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:27,920 and then they decided to do this. So, I 2408 01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:31,199 I don't have a a problem supporting the 2409 01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:34,000 super majority to keep our city moving 2410 01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:35,760 forward together and to be a stable 2411 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,840 city. We're the capital city of the 2412 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:40,000 third largest state. We cannot fumble 2413 01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:41,920 the ball on this. We cannot move 2414 01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:45,520 backwards. We've got to go forward. 2415 01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:47,119 Forward ever. Backwards never. And I 2416 01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:49,679 just believe that this is the direction 2417 01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:51,440 that we need to be going. It also not 2418 01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:55,600 only stabilizes 2419 01:42:51,440 --> 01:42:57,280 um the city, it stabilizes the workforce 2420 01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:59,920 because people are working for these 2421 01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:01,840 individuals and they need to know that 2422 01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:03,520 their job is safe and secure no matter 2423 01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:05,520 what who gets be who gets to become 2424 01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:07,520 mayor or gets to become whatever. They 2425 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:09,040 need to know that their jobs are going 2426 01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,880 to be in a safe place. All they got to 2427 01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:12,880 do is do the job and be held 2428 01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:15,119 accountable. And no, no, I don't think 2429 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:17,679 anyone here has a problem being held 2430 01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:21,520 accountable to their job. Unfortunately, 2431 01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:23,199 we have to now look at safeguards to 2432 01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:25,600 protect people in their jobs so that 2433 01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:27,199 they don't feel intimidated or harassed 2434 01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:30,639 because I've heard that from some of 2435 01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:32,800 them. So, that's where I stand. I 2436 01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:35,119 support the motion on the table. What 2437 01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:37,040 what what whatever happens happens. But 2438 01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:39,119 I just believe that in my heart of 2439 01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:41,119 hearts and in the research that I've 2440 01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:42,800 done with the with around this state 2441 01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:44,880 with people that I work with, mayors and 2442 01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:46,880 commissioners from other cities, this is 2443 01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:48,639 the direction that we're headed. It's 2444 01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:51,679 unfortunate, [clears throat] but that's 2445 01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:53,760 where we're headed. And we can stop it 2446 01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:57,440 by doing what we need to do and not 2447 01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:58,960 making these positions so um adept to 2448 01:43:57,440 --> 01:44:02,320 the campaigns that are currently going 2449 01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:04,239 on the politicization of of what we're 2450 01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:07,280 doing here in our city. Elections and 2451 01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:10,239 campaigns cannot run a city well. We've 2452 01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:11,679 got to run this city professionally and 2453 01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:13,360 so that people get what they need 2454 01:44:11,679 --> 01:44:15,199 regardless of who sits in the mayor's 2455 01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:16,639 seat or who sits in the commission seat. 2456 01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:18,400 And that's where I stand. 2457 01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:19,840 » Commissioner Matlo on point. I'm sorry. 2458 01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:22,000 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh 2459 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,920 traditionally, a point of order is when 2460 01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:25,440 another speaker is out of order and it 2461 01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:27,280 gives you the opportunity to rule on 2462 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:28,560 that. Uh we should not be directing 2463 01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:29,760 individual comments at other 2464 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,040 commissioners. It should be directed to 2465 01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:32,400 the mayor. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. That's 2466 01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,080 great advice for the past eight years, 2467 01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:37,040 but we haven't upheld that either. 2468 01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:39,679 Commissioner Porter, 2469 01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:41,920 » You're the mayor, sir. 2470 01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:45,119 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 2471 01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:47,600 Um, I don't know. I don't see Dr. 2472 01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:50,159 Drummondville, but I I want to speak 2473 01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:52,880 directly to you. This is your contract, 2474 01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:55,600 as Commissioner Williams Cox just said. 2475 01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:57,920 Um, I am asking you as a professional in 2476 01:44:55,600 --> 01:45:01,520 your field and as the next res city 2477 01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:05,520 manager who reports to us to reject this 2478 01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:07,679 contract with a supermajority vote. 2479 01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:10,719 So, I can't see you, but that is a 2480 01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:13,360 direct question to Dr. Drummondville. 2481 01:45:10,719 --> 01:45:16,960 » Now, I would like a response. 2482 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:18,400 » Uh, Dr. Jumanville is not in chambers 2483 01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:21,119 right now. 2484 01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,560 So, but I'm I'm sure she is probably 2485 01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:24,320 watching out of chambers and we'll get 2486 01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:26,880 back to you, Mayor Pro Tim. 2487 01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:29,760 » Well, Mr. uh, Mayor, I would just 2488 01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:31,840 suggest that 2489 01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:34,480 if that Commissioner Porter, if that's 2490 01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:37,679 the direction that you would want to go, 2491 01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:40,639 then the negotiations I would think 2492 01:45:37,679 --> 01:45:43,280 because that's what Miss Gilmanville, 2493 01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:45,199 Dr. Gilmanville has agreed to, 2494 01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:48,639 » Right? that it would have to go back to 2495 01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:51,280 the negotiations and she at that point 2496 01:45:48,639 --> 01:45:54,320 » Would have to say I can go forward 2497 01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:57,040 without this provision in the contract. 2498 01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:58,639 We can't sit here today and make that 2499 01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:01,679 determination. 2500 01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:04,239 The contract was agreed to in 2501 01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:05,600 negotiations with the mayor 2502 01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:07,360 » On point. 2503 01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,600 » On point, Mr. Porter, 2504 01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:11,520 » Why can't we why can't she just say I 2505 01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:13,280 mean we we could have voted on my 2506 01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,199 motion. We could have if that motion had 2507 01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:17,360 passed that would have just been what it 2508 01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:20,239 is and then she it's she still has to 2509 01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:22,320 sign it. We can do whatever we I mean 2510 01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:25,119 doesn't she miss city madam city 2511 01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:28,880 attorney could we not if Dr. Jumville 2512 01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:31,600 were here right now and she said I I 2513 01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:34,000 reject the supermajority contract and I 2514 01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:35,920 would like to ask that that be changed. 2515 01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:38,080 Why couldn't we honor that? 2516 01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:40,000 » Oh, we could but she has agreed to. I 2517 01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:44,239 understand. But that but my point is we 2518 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:46,639 if she were here we could ask her that. 2519 01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:48,400 » But she's not here so we can't ask her 2520 01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:49,840 that and make that decision. 2521 01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:50,400 » So it's the contract before us 2522 01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,760 » For her 2523 01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,239 » That she has agreed upon. 2524 01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,000 » Right. 2525 01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:56,560 » Mayor Pro Tim, you still have the floor. 2526 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:59,840 » Yeah. I you know 2527 01:46:56,560 --> 01:47:03,119 it's just amazing to me that this is the 2528 01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:05,199 sticking point in a contract for the 2529 01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:08,000 city commission for the city of 2530 01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:11,520 Tallahassee and the city manager, the 2531 01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:15,760 selection of the city manager, the super 2532 01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:18,080 majority to hire or fire the city. I I I 2533 01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:21,199 just find it unbelievable that that's 2534 01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:25,280 the sticking point. It's not the use of 2535 01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:29,360 an automobile. It's not the salary. It's 2536 01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:32,679 not the severance pay. It is 2537 01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,679 a supermajority. 2538 01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:40,080 I I would feel comfortable if if a 2539 01:47:36,719 --> 01:47:42,800 supermajority were required because it 2540 01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:47,280 suggests to this community that four 2541 01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:50,480 people four people out of the five agree 2542 01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:52,400 that this person needs to be removed 2543 01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:54,239 from office. I don't think it's 2544 01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:57,679 unreasonable. 2545 01:47:54,239 --> 01:48:01,040 It says to this community that four 2546 01:47:57,679 --> 01:48:02,960 individuals that we have elected 2547 01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:06,239 agree that this person needs to be 2548 01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:10,639 removed from office. One person 2549 01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:12,880 different than a simple majority. I I I 2550 01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:15,920 just find it unbelievable that this is 2551 01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:19,440 the argument that we're having and can't 2552 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:22,159 move forward on that one issue. I'm 2553 01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:25,199 going to support the motion. Uh, and if 2554 01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:29,199 a a a commission in the future wants to 2555 01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:32,000 change it, then we can do that. Uh but I 2556 01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:35,199 think for right now we move forward with 2557 01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:38,639 the contract that has been negotiated 2558 01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:40,880 and agreed upon and that we don't sit 2559 01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:45,119 here 2560 01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:48,480 as a commission when we gave the mayor 2561 01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:52,480 the authority to negotiate the contract 2562 01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:56,400 with the person that we selected out of 2563 01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:58,639 this process to be our next city 2564 01:48:56,400 --> 01:49:00,880 commissioner or or city manager. I'm 2565 01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:03,840 sorry. I I just don't feel like we're in 2566 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:06,159 a position to do that. Uh and like I 2567 01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:06,880 said, I'm going to support the motion on 2568 01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:08,480 the floor. 2569 01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:11,119 » Motion on the tables for option number 2570 01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:13,280 one made by the mayor, seconded by 2571 01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:15,600 Remind me, was it Mayor Pro Tim or Mayor 2572 01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,880 Pro Tim uh for the contract that's 2573 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:17,440 presented. Commissioner Metley, you have 2574 01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,840 the floor. 2575 01:49:17,440 --> 01:49:23,760 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um interesting 2576 01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:26,560 debate today. I I would say um would it 2577 01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:29,520 be unbelievable to require four votes of 2578 01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:32,560 five to sell a community hospital? 2579 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:35,119 Would it be unbelievable to require four 2580 01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:37,119 votes of five to sell a municipal uh 2581 01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:39,679 golf course that are the burial grounds 2582 01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:43,280 of former slaves from that plantation? 2583 01:49:39,679 --> 01:49:47,520 Would it be unbelievable to require four 2584 01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:50,560 votes to increase taxes year after year? 2585 01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:54,320 Would it be unbelievable 2586 01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:57,320 to require four votes to hire a city 2587 01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:57,320 manager? 2588 01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:06,320 This city has long been divided on a 3-2 2589 01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:09,760 vote. There has never been an attempt 2590 01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:12,400 for compromise. That's why the public is 2591 01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:13,920 lashing out the way that it is today. 2592 01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:15,520 Now, I want you to imagine a different 2593 01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,360 scenario 2594 01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:20,320 where decisions made by the city 2595 01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:22,719 commission were not implemented. If 2596 01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:24,159 three votes sold the hospital, but the 2597 01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:27,199 city manager wouldn't move forward with 2598 01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:29,360 that sale. If three votes sold the golf 2599 01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:32,080 course and the city manager would not 2600 01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:34,960 move forward with that sale. 2601 01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:36,480 If three votes decided to terminate the 2602 01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:39,520 agreement with the county to provide 2603 01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:41,760 fire services, but the city manager 2604 01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:44,639 refused to move forward, would that 2605 01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:47,679 action? What then does the recourse of 2606 01:50:44,639 --> 01:50:48,880 three votes on the city commission have? 2607 01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:51,520 You would have a completely 2608 01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:54,480 unaccountable city management that would 2609 01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:57,119 require four votes to terminate for not 2610 01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:59,679 following the direction of the majority 2611 01:50:57,119 --> 01:51:04,101 of the body. That is wrong and cannot 2612 01:50:59,679 --> 01:51:04,101 stand. We are [applause] 2613 01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:09,440 we already see this action play out 2614 01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:11,199 today as Commissioner Porter has made 2615 01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:12,639 several motions that have passed this 2616 01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:14,639 body that have never been brought 2617 01:51:12,639 --> 01:51:16,960 forward by the city manager. We're still 2618 01:51:14,639 --> 01:51:19,199 waiting to this day, but she has no 2619 01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:21,040 recourse because there's not a majority 2620 01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:23,840 of this body that has been willing to 2621 01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,520 hold the city manager accountable. So, 2622 01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:26,960 I'm not going to support the motion on 2623 01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:30,960 the table because I can't support a 2624 01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:35,040 contract that has an invalid language 2625 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:37,199 that is contrary to our city charter. 2626 01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:39,040 But I will listen to the pleasure of the 2627 01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:40,480 city commission. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 2628 01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:42,159 » Motion on the table for option number 2629 01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:44,320 one made by the mayor, second by the 2630 01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:46,719 mayor pro Tim. All those in favor of the 2631 01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:49,119 motion on table signify by saying I. 2632 01:51:46,719 --> 01:51:51,040 » All those opposed n. And the motion 2633 01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:52,960 passes three to two with the mayor, 2634 01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:55,040 mayor pro Tim and commissioner uh 2635 01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:56,800 Williams Cox in the affirmative with 2636 01:51:55,040 --> 01:52:00,239 commissioner Matlo and Commissioner 2637 01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:03,040 Porter in the negative. Motion passes. I 2638 01:52:00,239 --> 01:52:07,280 will execute the contract in writing 2639 01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:09,440 with uh Dr. Jumville as soon as we can 2640 01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:11,119 get together after this meeting. Uh 2641 01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:13,199 Commissioner Porter for a question. 2642 01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:14,960 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. I I meant to do 2643 01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:16,880 this at the beginning of the meeting. I 2644 01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:20,639 wanted to request 2645 01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:22,800 um that we move item 1201 2646 01:52:20,639 --> 01:52:25,679 to the end of policy formation and 2647 01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:27,599 direction. It seems like 1201 might take 2648 01:52:25,679 --> 01:52:29,440 more time and I don't want to keep 1202 2649 01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:30,719 and 123 waiting. 2650 01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:32,320 » Second. 2651 01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:34,400 » Say that one more time. I'm sorry. 2652 01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:35,840 » If we could move 1201. 2653 01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,400 » Oh, sure. Yes. Yes. Yes. 2654 01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:39,040 » End. 2655 01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:41,760 » Take it up at the end. Sure. Absolutely. 2656 01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:43,520 Uh without objection. Okay. Uh we are 2657 01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:45,679 now on the introduction of ordinance 2658 01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:48,639 number 11.01. Madame Attorney, 2659 01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:50,480 » Thank you Mr. Mayor. Item number 11.01 2660 01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:53,440 01 is the introduction of ordinance 2661 01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:55,199 number 26-Z-12, 2662 01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:57,199 an ordinance of the city of Tallahass, 2663 01:52:55,199 --> 01:52:59,599 Florida, amending the official zoning 2664 01:52:57,199 --> 01:53:02,480 map of the city of Tallahassee, located 2665 01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:05,679 on 3.75 acres located on the west side 2666 01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:08,239 of Paul Russell Road, approximately 150 2667 01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:11,119 ft north of the intersection with Paul 2668 01:53:08,239 --> 01:53:13,119 Russell Road and Orange Avenue East. on 2669 01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:14,719 the official zoning map of the city of 2670 01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:16,960 Tallahassee changing the zoning 2671 01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:20,080 classification of land from critical 2672 01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:22,239 planning area to Paul Russell Road 2673 01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:24,639 rightway abandonment planned unit 2674 01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:27,040 development providing for conflicts 2675 01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:28,800 severability and an affected date. The 2676 01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:32,480 recommended action is option one. 2677 01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:33,920 Introduce ordinance number 26-Z-12 2678 01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:38,080 and set the first and only public 2679 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:39,679 hearing for October 21 at 6 pm in the 2680 01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:41,199 city of Tallahassee city commission 2681 01:53:39,679 --> 01:53:42,320 chambers at city hall. 2682 01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:43,679 » All right. So there's no 2683 01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:45,280 » Oh, Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry. Excuse me. If 2684 01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:47,360 I could just make sure I comment that 2685 01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:49,679 any exparte disclosures concerning this 2686 01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:51,360 item are available via the hyperlink 2687 01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:52,320 included in the agenda item as published 2688 01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:53,679 in board docs. 2689 01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:55,599 » Excellent. There's no action that needs 2690 01:53:53,679 --> 01:53:58,320 to be taken. We always take a ceremonial 2691 01:53:55,599 --> 01:53:59,920 vote just to add it into the uh record. 2692 01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:00,719 Do we have any public comment on this 2693 01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,159 item? 2694 01:54:00,719 --> 01:54:03,520 » Richard Robbie here is to answer 2695 01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:05,119 questions. So no, 2696 01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:07,040 » I'll make a motion for the introduction. 2697 01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:08,560 Is there a second? Second by Mayor Pro 2698 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,520 Tim. All those in favor signify by 2699 01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,360 saying I. I. 2700 01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:14,639 » All those opposed? Passes unanimously. 2701 01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:15,520 50. We're on item number 11.02. Madame 2702 01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:17,360 Attorney. 2703 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:19,199 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item number 11.02 2704 01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:21,920 902 is the introduction of ordinance 2705 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:23,760 number 26-15, 2706 01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:27,520 an ordinance of the city of Tallahassee, 2707 01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:29,599 Florida, amending sections 21-66, 2708 01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:31,360 21-284, 2709 01:54:29,599 --> 01:54:33,199 21-42, 2710 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:35,199 and 21-43 2711 01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:37,599 of the code of general ordinances of the 2712 01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:39,760 city of Tallahassee relating to water 2713 01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:42,400 and sewer service, including applicable 2714 01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:44,239 fees, charges, and rates, providing for 2715 01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:46,320 conflicts, providing for severability, 2716 01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:48,080 and providing an effective date. The 2717 01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:51,599 recommended action is option one. 2718 01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:53,760 Introduce ordinance number 26-15 2719 01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:56,880 that reflects changes to water and 2720 01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:58,800 wastewater rates, fees, and charges and 2721 01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:00,719 set the first and only public hearing 2722 01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:04,400 for the city commission meeting on 2723 01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:06,239 September 23, 2026 at 6 p.m. in the city 2724 01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:07,840 of Tallahassee city commission chambers 2725 01:55:06,239 --> 01:55:10,000 at city hall. 2726 01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:11,360 » Excellent. One more time, no formal 2727 01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,199 action needs to be taken. We take 2728 01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:15,040 ceremonial vote just added into the 2729 01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:17,280 record. Any public comment on this item? 2730 01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,679 » No, sir. I'll make the motion to accept. 2731 01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,040 » Second, 2732 01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:20,400 » Seconded by the mayor pro Tim, 2733 01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:22,400 Commissioner Matlo for comment. 2734 01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:24,080 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I recognize 2735 01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:25,760 this is the introduction, so I'll save 2736 01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:29,199 my comments uh till the the public 2737 01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:31,280 hearing, but I did want to uh request, 2738 01:55:29,199 --> 01:55:34,159 if not already, that the rate study be 2739 01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:36,639 part of the agenda item as well as any 2740 01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:39,119 information on the the sewer expansion 2741 01:55:36,639 --> 01:55:40,800 cost associated with Bannerman Road and 2742 01:55:39,119 --> 01:55:43,040 Meridian that we approved at our our 2743 01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:45,280 last meeting. the the single largest 2744 01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:48,560 thing I hear about utility bills is the 2745 01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:50,159 sewer fees continue uh to increase. 2746 01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,679 People are super concerned about this 2747 01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:53,840 and I want to make sure we're we're 2748 01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:55,440 looking to find uh savings in fees 2749 01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,320 before increasing their bills yet again. 2750 01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:58,800 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 2751 01:55:56,320 --> 01:56:02,880 » So noted uh Mayor Pertmp. 2752 01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:06,400 » Thank you uh uh Mayor. What I want the 2753 01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:09,440 public that's here today to understand 2754 01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:13,119 that we as a commission did not make 2755 01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:15,760 those decisions on the increases. They 2756 01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:19,360 were based on rate studies that were 2757 01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:22,239 done by independent organizations. 2758 01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:26,000 they have recommended just so that we 2759 01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:30,639 have the funds so that we don't have to 2760 01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:33,520 go back to the the uh residents who are 2761 01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:38,159 using those services to to increase the 2762 01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:40,880 fees. that it is an objective rating 2763 01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:43,920 uh decision and the recommendation is 2764 01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:47,280 made to us in order to make sure that we 2765 01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:51,760 can still provide quality services to 2766 01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:54,719 our t our fee paying uh public. And so 2767 01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:57,840 that's how those decisions or what those 2768 01:56:54,719 --> 01:57:02,080 decisions are being based on. Not what I 2769 01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:05,280 think or feel, but an actual objective 2770 01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:07,920 rating assessment by objective 2771 01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:09,520 organizations that we use for that 2772 01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,719 purpose. 2773 01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:13,040 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 2774 01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:14,400 » Excellent. Okay. Ceremonial vote. All 2775 01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:15,920 those in favor of the motion on table 2776 01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:17,760 signify by saying I. I. 2777 01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,440 » All those opposed. Passes unanimously. 2778 01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:20,960 5-0. Any other introduction of 2779 01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:21,760 ordinances come before us today? 2780 01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:24,400 » No, Mr. Mayor, 2781 01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:25,920 » We are on item number 12.02. 2782 01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:27,679 Uh, Mr. Manager, 2783 01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,440 » Mr. Mayor, our growth management 2784 01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:32,679 director, John Reick, will introduce 2785 01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:32,679 this item. 2786 01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:39,520 » Thank you. Good evening, mayor and 2787 01:57:37,199 --> 01:57:41,360 commissioners. At your direction, we 2788 01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:43,360 brought before you this item requesting 2789 01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:45,679 your approval to permanently rename a 2790 01:57:43,360 --> 01:57:48,159 portion of West Virginia Street to 2791 01:57:45,679 --> 01:57:51,280 recognize Reverend Dr. RB Holmes Jr. and 2792 01:57:48,159 --> 01:57:53,440 his wife Dr. Gloria P. Holmes. Reverend 2793 01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:55,520 Holmes has served for decades as pastor 2794 01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:58,080 of the historic Bethl Missionary Baptist 2795 01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:59,760 Church. Under his leadership, Bethl has 2796 01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:01,119 expanded its role beyond of the church 2797 01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:03,760 through initiatives focused on 2798 01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:06,000 education, housing, economic 2799 01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:08,560 development, financial opportunity, and 2800 01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:10,000 community services. This includes the 2801 01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:11,599 establishment and development of 2802 01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:13,920 numerous community institutions and 2803 01:58:11,599 --> 01:58:15,920 initiatives including Bethl Christian 2804 01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:18,320 Academy, Steel Collins Charter Middle 2805 01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:21,040 School, Steel Collins Allmale Charter 2806 01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:23,119 Academy, Bethl Family Restaurant, Bethl 2807 01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:25,520 Family Counseling Center, Housing for 2808 01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:27,520 Senior Citizens of Bethl Towers, and the 2809 01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:29,040 Carolina Oaks Subdivision for Firsttime 2810 01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:31,040 Homeowners. 2811 01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,560 Reverend Holmes' work has also supported 2812 01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:34,320 economic development and financial 2813 01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:36,159 opportunity in Frenchtown, including the 2814 01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:37,760 establishment of the Frenchtown 2815 01:58:36,159 --> 01:58:39,440 Financial Opportunity Center through a 2816 01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:43,040 partnership between Bethl Missionary 2817 01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:44,639 Baptist Church and local credit unions. 2818 01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:46,080 His service has extended beyond 2819 01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:48,159 Tallahassee through leadership in 2820 01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:50,320 faith-based and civic organizations and 2821 01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:52,320 appointments to university boards and 2822 01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:54,480 statewide, excuse me, statewide 2823 01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:56,960 policymaking body bodies by multiple 2824 01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:58,800 Florida governors. His work has focused 2825 01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:01,119 on strengthening families, expanding 2826 01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:02,880 educational and economic opportunities, 2827 01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:05,679 supporting the revitalization of 2828 01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:08,080 Frenchtown community. 2829 01:59:05,679 --> 01:59:10,080 Dr. Gloria P. Holmes has devoted decades 2830 01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:12,159 to education and community service in 2831 01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:13,840 Tallahassee and throughout Florida after 2832 01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:15,280 receiving a doctorate in library and 2833 01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:17,440 information studies from Florida State 2834 01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:19,360 University. Her career has included 2835 01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:21,280 service as an English teacher, library 2836 01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:23,280 media specialist, director of 2837 01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:25,199 educational media for Duvall and Leyon 2838 01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:26,800 County public schools, and assistant 2839 01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:29,840 dean in the college of education at 2840 01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:31,520 Florida&M University. Dr. Holmes has 2841 01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:33,920 also played an integral role at Bethl 2842 01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:35,840 Christian Academy, established in 1992 2843 01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:38,159 as an educational outreach of Bethl 2844 01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:40,639 Missionary Baptist Church and located 2845 01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:42,400 along West Virginia Street. She served 2846 01:59:40,639 --> 01:59:44,239 in an administrative capacity at the 2847 01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:46,159 academy for more than two decades and 2848 01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:48,000 contributed to its administration, 2849 01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:50,800 curriculum development, and educational 2850 01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:53,360 mission. And in 2021, the academy named 2851 01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:55,040 its library be the Dr. Gloria P. Holmes 2852 01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:57,360 Media Center in recognition of her 2853 01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:59,760 long-standing commitment to education, 2854 01:59:57,360 --> 02:00:02,000 leadership, and service. 2855 01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:03,440 Together, Reverend Dr. RB Holmes Jr. and 2856 02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,800 Dr. Gloria P. homes have made 2857 02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:06,719 significant contributions to the 2858 02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:08,960 Frenchtown community and Tallahassee at 2859 02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:10,560 large through education, faith-based 2860 02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:12,960 leadership, community and economic 2861 02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:15,520 development, housing, and service to 2862 02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:16,960 families. The recommendation before you 2863 02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:19,280 to rename West Virginia Street between 2864 02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:20,719 North Adam Street to the east and North 2865 02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:23,599 Copeland Street to the west to be 2866 02:00:20,719 --> 02:00:25,440 doctors RB and Gloria P. Holm Street. 2867 02:00:23,599 --> 02:00:27,040 This segment is a prop is approximately 2868 02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:29,520 2777 2869 02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:30,960 ft in length. Total of 17 property 2870 02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:32,960 owners are adjacent to the proposed 2871 02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:34,880 segment and 282 addresses will be 2872 02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:36,400 updated to reflect the renaming. With 2873 02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:37,760 your approval, the renaming would 2874 02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:40,639 officially go into effect starting 2875 02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:43,440 October 24th this year. Available if you 2876 02:00:40,639 --> 02:00:46,080 have any questions you this is an 2877 02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:48,400 exciting agenda item for us. 2878 02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:49,440 » Mr. Clerk, do we have any public 2879 02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,639 comments? 2880 02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:52,239 » Yes, sir. Or 2881 02:00:50,639 --> 02:00:54,320 » Probably about a half dozen. Let me just 2882 02:00:52,239 --> 02:00:56,639 start off by saying if you are here in 2883 02:00:54,320 --> 02:01:00,760 strong support of this agenda item, will 2884 02:00:56,639 --> 02:01:00,760 you please stand to be recognized? 2885 02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:05,998 » Love it. It's great to have everyone 2886 02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:08,018 here. 2887 02:01:05,998 --> 02:01:08,018 [applause] 2888 02:01:08,618 --> 02:01:12,480 [snorts] Uh I I have a feeling this will 2889 02:01:10,639 --> 02:01:14,000 probably be one of the quickest votes 2890 02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:16,719 that we will take, but we will move 2891 02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:18,320 forward with the uh public comment. 2892 02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:21,040 » Thank you, Mayor. Our first speaker is 2893 02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:22,960 Liz Marberry 2894 02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:24,320 and then James Matthews will follow. 2895 02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:25,520 » Your name and address for the record, 2896 02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:28,400 please. 2897 02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:30,719 » Liz Marberry, 1363 East Tennessee 2898 02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:32,480 Street. Good afternoon, Mayor 2899 02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:34,400 Commissioners, and local citizens. On 2900 02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:36,239 behalf of Live Communications, Inc., I'm 2901 02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:38,239 offer I'm honored to offer our 2902 02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:40,960 wholehearted support for Reverend Dr. RB 2903 02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:42,800 Holmes Jr. and Dr. Gloria P. Holmes, two 2904 02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:44,719 extraordinary servant leaders devoted to 2905 02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:46,560 faith, family, community, and empowering 2906 02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:48,159 others. For more than 50 years, the 2907 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:50,080 Capital Outlook has been more than a 2908 02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:52,000 newspaper. It has been a voice for our 2909 02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:54,000 community, a platform that has informed, 2910 02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:55,760 encouraged, and inspired generations. 2911 02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:57,520 Its pages have told the stories that 2912 02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:59,599 mattered. We celebrated many 2913 02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:01,599 accomplishments, addressed important 2914 02:01:59,599 --> 02:02:03,679 issues, and have given people a place to 2915 02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:05,360 be seen, heard, and valued. That same 2916 02:02:03,679 --> 02:02:08,080 spirit of service is heard on our 2917 02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:10,080 Hallelujah 95.3 FM radio station. 2918 02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:12,639 Through outstanding programming and our 2919 02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:14,880 amazing guest along with Reverend Holmes 2920 02:02:12,639 --> 02:02:16,560 himself, our airways have provided 2921 02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:19,119 meaningful conversations, information, 2922 02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:21,760 encouragement, and connection. 2923 02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:25,679 That is the very essence of Reverend and 2924 02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:28,560 Dr. Holmes herself. God placed them 2925 02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:30,560 placed in their hands to help somebody. 2926 02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:32,880 God placed using what God has placed in 2927 02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:34,639 their hands to help somebody else that 2928 02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:37,599 at their service reaches far beyond the 2929 02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:39,360 newspaper pages and radio microphones 2930 02:02:37,599 --> 02:02:40,800 through Bethl Missionary Baptist Church, 2931 02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:42,719 Christian education, community 2932 02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:44,320 initiatives, advocacy, and their 2933 02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:45,920 unwavering commitment to people. They 2934 02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:47,520 have spent decades opening doors, 2935 02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:48,800 building bridges, speaking to those who 2936 02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:51,199 needed a voice, and creating 2937 02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:52,639 opportunities for others. Their legacy 2938 02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:54,080 is the people they helped, the lives 2939 02:02:52,639 --> 02:02:56,960 they've touched, and the community they 2940 02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:58,960 inspired. Reverend Dr. RB Holmes Jr. and 2941 02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:01,199 Dr. Gloria P. homes more than deserve 2942 02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:03,119 this recognition. We are truly grateful 2943 02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:05,520 for this moment. We admire and respect 2944 02:03:03,119 --> 02:03:07,760 them both. Live Communications, Inc. 2945 02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:09,520 proudly offers its full support. Thank 2946 02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:11,119 you, mayor and city commissioners for 2947 02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:13,199 this opportunity. 2948 02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:15,599 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 2949 02:03:13,199 --> 02:03:16,639 » James Matthews is next, followed by 2950 02:03:15,599 --> 02:03:18,000 Sabrina Allen. 2951 02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:18,800 » Your name and address for the record, 2952 02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:22,719 please. 2953 02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:26,520 » I'm James Matthews, 988 Vio Circle, 2954 02:03:22,719 --> 02:03:26,520 Tallahassee 32312. 2955 02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:31,280 Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor and members of 2956 02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:33,440 the commission. It is my distinct 2957 02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:35,679 privilege and honor to read this 2958 02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:38,960 statement on behalf of Reverend Dr. RB 2959 02:03:35,679 --> 02:03:41,679 Holmes, Jr. and Dr. Gloria P. Holmes, as 2960 02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:44,880 they express their humble gratitude for 2961 02:03:41,679 --> 02:03:47,599 this extraordinary recognition. 2962 02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:49,679 On behalf of our family and ourselves, 2963 02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:52,560 we give our deepest and most sincere 2964 02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:55,679 appreciation for this incredible honor. 2965 02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:58,480 Having a street named in honor is 2966 02:03:55,679 --> 02:04:00,960 something we never imagine and we do not 2967 02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:04,159 take it lightly. We receive this 2968 02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:07,360 recognition with gratitude and humility. 2969 02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:09,840 A street is more than a name on a sign. 2970 02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:12,960 It provides a pathway that connects 2971 02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:16,560 people. It is our prayer that our lives 2972 02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:19,679 and service have helped create a pathway 2973 02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:22,960 for others with encouragement to a young 2974 02:04:19,679 --> 02:04:26,320 person, a strengthened family, a lifted 2975 02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:29,119 community, an open door, or help for 2976 02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:32,480 someone to believe tomorrow could be 2977 02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:35,520 better than today. We thank God for the 2978 02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:38,639 privilege of serving. God's gifts were 2979 02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:41,840 never intended for us alone, but so that 2980 02:04:38,639 --> 02:04:45,040 we might use them to bless and serve 2981 02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:47,599 others. While our names may appear on 2982 02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:50,880 this street, this honor does not belong 2983 02:04:47,599 --> 02:04:53,520 to us alone. It belongs to our family, 2984 02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:56,159 our beloved Bethl Missionary Baptist 2985 02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:58,239 Church family, our friends and 2986 02:04:56,159 --> 02:05:01,520 colleagues, and this wonderful community 2987 02:04:58,239 --> 02:05:05,040 that has loved, supported, prayed for 2988 02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:08,639 us, and traveled alongside us during 2989 02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:10,480 this journey. We are extremely grateful 2990 02:05:08,639 --> 02:05:13,040 to everyone who have made this 2991 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:15,840 recognition possible. Thank you for 2992 02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:19,440 believing that our years of service were 2993 02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:20,960 worth such an amazing tribute. Our 2994 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:24,000 prayers 2995 02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:26,960 is that when people travel this street, 2996 02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:29,360 they will see more than our names. We 2997 02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:32,960 hope it inspires others to make a 2998 02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:37,280 difference. Scripture reminds us for 2999 02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:39,840 unto whomver much is given. Of him shall 3000 02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:42,639 be much required. We have been blessed 3001 02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:45,679 beyond measure. We desire to continue 3002 02:05:42,639 --> 02:05:49,040 serving, giving, building, and helping 3003 02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:51,440 others as long as God gives us strength. 3004 02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:52,960 Thank you, city commissioners, for your 3005 02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:56,400 consideration. 3006 02:05:52,960 --> 02:06:00,159 And above all, to God be the glory for 3007 02:05:56,400 --> 02:06:03,760 the great things he has done. God bless 3008 02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:06,320 Reverend Dr. RB Holmes, Jr., and Dr. 3009 02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:07,040 Gloria Price Holmes. Thank you, 3010 02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:09,520 Commissioner. 3011 02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:12,560 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 3012 02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:15,760 » Sabrina Allen 3013 02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:17,840 is our next speaker. And then uh 3014 02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:19,280 Claudette Herrell, 3015 02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:19,760 » Your name and address for the record, 3016 02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:24,000 please. 3017 02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:25,840 » My name is Miss Sabrina M. Allen. Do you 3018 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:27,760 see the M on that paper that I signed? 3019 02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,880 » Yes, ma'am. 3020 02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:30,320 » You see it? 3021 02:06:28,880 --> 02:06:32,800 » He did not. I did. I 3022 02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:35,840 » Always use my middle initial. I am 3023 02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:39,920 Sabrina M. Allen, 3024 02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:43,119 Schumar Drive, Tallahassee, Florida. 3025 02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:48,239 I was born and raised in the French town 3026 02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:52,239 area when that entire side of town was 3027 02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:56,719 blackowned and operated. 3028 02:06:52,239 --> 02:06:59,040 Let us not lose our roots. 3029 02:06:56,719 --> 02:07:04,079 Let the record show 3030 02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:06,719 that I oppose renaming any more streets 3031 02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:09,040 in French Town, 3032 02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:11,760 uh, that area. 3033 02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:13,599 The Frenchtown community is too 3034 02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:17,440 important 3035 02:07:13,599 --> 02:07:24,679 to the history of Leyon County for you 3036 02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:24,679 all to tamper with renaming its streets. 3037 02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:31,920 Let us not lose our roots. 3038 02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:33,679 » Thank you. 3039 02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:36,880 » Our next speaker, please. 3040 02:07:33,679 --> 02:07:40,280 » Next speaker is Claudet Herrell and then 3041 02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:40,280 Terrence Henson. 3042 02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:47,679 » Your name and address for the record, 3043 02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:50,880 please. 3044 02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:54,239 » Dr. Claudet Herrell, 1017 at Ping Forest 3045 02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:57,998 Drive. Good afternoon. Giving honor to 3046 02:07:54,239 --> 02:07:59,679 God, Mayor Daly, Mayor Pro Tim, 3047 02:07:57,998 --> 02:08:02,560 [clears throat] members of the city 3048 02:07:59,679 --> 02:08:05,280 commission, city officials in the 3049 02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:09,360 absence of Pastor Holmes and Sister 3050 02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:11,599 Holmes, distinguished guest, and members 3051 02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:14,800 of our community. 3052 02:08:11,599 --> 02:08:17,760 I stand before you today with tremendous 3053 02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:21,920 pride to support the renaming of a 3054 02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:25,520 portion of West Virginia Street in honor 3055 02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:28,320 of the Reverend Dr. RB Holmes Jr. and 3056 02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:32,159 Dr. Gloria Price Holmes. For 3057 02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:35,520 approximately 40 years, Dr. and Mrs. 3058 02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:38,159 homes have devoted themselves to Bethl 3059 02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:41,199 Missionary Baptist Church and this 3060 02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:44,639 community not simply through words but 3061 02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:48,560 through service, sacrifice, compassion, 3062 02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:50,800 and action. One of the clearest examples 3063 02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:54,960 of that commitment came during one of 3064 02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:59,760 the most frightening periods our 3065 02:08:54,960 --> 02:09:02,480 community has faced, the coid9 pandemic. 3066 02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:04,320 While churches and communities has faced 3067 02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:06,880 the coid9 3068 02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:08,639 pandemic, while churches and communities 3069 02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:11,599 were determining 3070 02:09:08,639 --> 02:09:13,920 how best to respond, Dr. Holmes 3071 02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:18,000 recognized that many of our most 3072 02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:21,119 vulnerable citizen needed health care 3073 02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:24,079 brought directly to them. He helped lead 3074 02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:27,040 the effort to purchase Bethl's mobile 3075 02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:29,679 medical unit which was launched into 3076 02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:31,199 underserved communities during the 3077 02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:35,040 pandemic. 3078 02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:38,320 The the unit went where the people were 3079 02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:41,920 through partnerships with physicians, 3080 02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:45,840 nurses, universities, health care 3081 02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:49,760 organizations, and community volunteers. 3082 02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:53,520 Bethl brought screenings, vaccinations, 3083 02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:56,239 health education, referrals, and other 3084 02:09:53,520 --> 02:10:01,040 essential service directly to 3085 02:09:56,239 --> 02:10:04,079 individuals and families who too often 3086 02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:06,800 face barriers to health care. 3087 02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:10,639 Recognizing the growing mental and 3088 02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:14,639 emotional needs of our community, Bethl 3089 02:10:10,639 --> 02:10:17,760 helped establish a mental health clinic 3090 02:10:14,639 --> 02:10:20,480 and strengthen its partnerships with 3091 02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:23,119 Appalache Center, mental health 3092 02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:24,800 professionals, and other community 3093 02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:27,679 partners. 3094 02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:30,480 This comm this commitment created 3095 02:10:27,679 --> 02:10:33,599 another doorway through which 3096 02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:38,800 individuals and families could seek 3097 02:10:33,599 --> 02:10:40,159 help, hope, and healing without shame 3098 02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:41,599 and without judgment. 3099 02:10:40,159 --> 02:10:45,199 » You're at about 15 seconds. 3100 02:10:41,599 --> 02:10:48,079 » Through these 40 years of ministry, Dr. 3101 02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:50,719 Gloria Holmes has faithfully stood 3102 02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:53,920 beside him serving, encouraging, 3103 02:10:50,719 --> 02:10:57,760 educating, nourishing, and helping build 3104 02:10:53,920 --> 02:11:00,000 a legacy centered on faith, family, 3105 02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:01,440 children, and community. Three minutes. 3106 02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:04,800 » That is why. Thank you so much. 3107 02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:08,239 » We are not simply honoring two people 3108 02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:10,800 because they have service for 40 years. 3109 02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:12,239 We are honoring what they did. I'm 3110 02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:13,119 afraid your time is up with these 3111 02:11:12,239 --> 02:11:13,599 communities. 3112 02:11:13,119 --> 02:11:15,440 » Thank you, 3113 02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:17,119 » Commissioners. I ask that you consider 3114 02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:18,719 renaming the street. Thank you. 3115 02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:21,679 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 3116 02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:26,280 » Next is Terrence Henson. Terrence Henson 3117 02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:26,280 will be followed by Maisha Mitchell. 3118 02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:32,719 » Your name and address for the record, 3119 02:11:32,159 --> 02:11:37,599 please. 3120 02:11:32,719 --> 02:11:38,960 » Terrence Henson, uh 107 Young Street. Uh 3121 02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:41,360 she could have taken a couple of my 3122 02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:43,199 minutes, so not going to be that long. 3123 02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:46,719 Um, I just want to thank you all 3124 02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:49,440 commissioners for your past continued 3125 02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:52,480 partnership with Bethl Baptist Church, 3126 02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:55,440 particularly uh in creating ways to 3127 02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:57,440 reduce the affordable housing gap here 3128 02:11:55,440 --> 02:12:00,079 in Tallahassee. 3129 02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:04,800 Most of you are aware that Bethl's of 3130 02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:08,000 BETHL's efforts to build 44 town homes 3131 02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:10,000 and 10 single family homes on the Tharp 3132 02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:12,800 Street site. 3133 02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:16,159 city has made a huge financial 3134 02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:18,719 commitment to this project. For BETHL's 3135 02:12:16,159 --> 02:12:22,239 part, um they have committed to 3136 02:12:18,719 --> 02:12:25,119 designate at at a minimum 10% of this 3137 02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:27,920 project for affordable housing, not 3138 02:12:25,119 --> 02:12:31,280 rentals, but home ownership. That's an 3139 02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:33,360 important uh distinction. 3140 02:12:31,280 --> 02:12:36,239 We're in a good place uh where we are 3141 02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:39,199 now. Uh we're coming close to securing 3142 02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:42,560 the site uh the permits from the city. 3143 02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:44,960 so this project can move forward. 3144 02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:48,719 Um, 3145 02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:51,920 a heavier lift is coming and as we shift 3146 02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:54,239 from our planning portion of this to the 3147 02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:56,880 construction, Bethl's going to seek to 3148 02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:58,880 re-engage with you as commissioners so 3149 02:12:56,880 --> 02:13:00,480 we can discuss ways to get the 3150 02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:03,599 infrastructure completed on this 3151 02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:05,920 project. If we're success, excuse me, if 3152 02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:09,360 we're successful in the completion of 3153 02:13:05,920 --> 02:13:12,800 this endeavor, as I expect we will be an 3154 02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:14,560 even larger project is 3155 02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:15,920 » On the boards. Yes, sir. 3156 02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:17,440 » Pause the time for a second. You know, 3157 02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:17,840 we're talking about the street renaming. 3158 02:13:17,440 --> 02:13:19,920 We're not 3159 02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:21,199 » I am. Yeah. But I want to share just uh 3160 02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:21,840 some of the thoughts. 3161 02:13:21,199 --> 02:13:23,119 » Okay. With 3162 02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:23,520 » Okay. I just want to make sure we're on 3163 02:13:23,119 --> 02:13:24,079 track. 3164 02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:24,480 » Yes, sir. 3165 02:13:24,079 --> 02:13:27,119 » Okay. 3166 02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:29,920 » I apologize for if it sounds like I'm 3167 02:13:27,119 --> 02:13:31,760 off track, but this is about Dr. Holmes. 3168 02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:34,159 This is about his legacy. This is about 3169 02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:36,800 affordable housing. This is about the 3170 02:13:34,159 --> 02:13:39,360 church's energy to get the affordable 3171 02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:42,239 housing projects completed. 3172 02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:45,920 So, if we're able to complete this Tharp 3173 02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:49,199 Street project, we are going to seek to 3174 02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:52,719 um build even more homes and they all 3175 02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:56,480 are affordable homes. Uh up to 90 to 100 3176 02:13:52,719 --> 02:14:00,079 homes are planned as well. So, again, 3177 02:13:56,480 --> 02:14:01,840 thank you for your support in the past. 3178 02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:06,719 Uh we will seek your support in the 3179 02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:11,040 future for Bethl's missionary Baptist uh 3180 02:14:06,719 --> 02:14:12,239 home affordable uh uh projects. Thank 3181 02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:14,480 you. 3182 02:14:12,239 --> 02:14:17,199 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 3183 02:14:14,480 --> 02:14:21,159 » Next speaker is Maisha Mitchell. She'll 3184 02:14:17,199 --> 02:14:21,159 be followed by Daryl Alfred. 3185 02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:26,639 » Your name and address for the record, 3186 02:14:26,239 --> 02:14:28,320 please. 3187 02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:31,360 » Yeah. Good afternoon. I'm Aisha 3188 02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:35,360 Mitchell. 10009 Ellington Court, 3189 02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:39,360 Tallahassee, Florida, and a long-term 3190 02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:42,480 native resident of Frenchtown community. 3191 02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:45,040 I am not here today to argue the point 3192 02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:50,079 about whether this street should be 3193 02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:52,239 named for Dr. Holmes or anyone else. 3194 02:14:50,079 --> 02:14:55,119 What I say today is that it should not 3195 02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:58,800 be named for anyone. It should remain as 3196 02:14:55,119 --> 02:15:01,520 it is. Why would I say that? Because 3197 02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:04,159 this street 3198 02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:07,920 has more history than any of us living 3199 02:15:04,159 --> 02:15:12,079 in this room. It has been his designated 3200 02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:13,520 historically since the 1900s. 3201 02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:17,440 Many of you have heard of the Green 3202 02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:21,119 Book. The Green Book was designed as a 3203 02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:23,599 motorist guide to African-American 3204 02:15:21,119 --> 02:15:25,679 people traveling throughout the South. 3205 02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:27,360 And why was it designed that way? 3206 02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:30,159 because there was not too many places 3207 02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:32,480 where we could go to rest, to get food, 3208 02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:35,840 to have entertainment, 3209 02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:37,840 even to have uh programs and services 3210 02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:39,760 and extinguish people coming into our 3211 02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:42,320 community. But guess what? It was 3212 02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:45,199 Virginia Street that was named in that 3213 02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:48,719 historic book. So when we start talking 3214 02:15:45,199 --> 02:15:52,800 about naming, why should we why should 3215 02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:54,639 we change the name for an individual no 3216 02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,760 matter how much esteem we have for that 3217 02:15:54,639 --> 02:15:58,400 person? 3218 02:15:55,760 --> 02:16:00,480 when we should keep it as it is. Now, I 3219 02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:03,679 realize that Commissioner Cox has 3220 02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:06,079 Williams Cox has been uh very active in 3221 02:16:03,679 --> 02:16:07,599 renaming our streets in our community. 3222 02:16:06,079 --> 02:16:11,199 Some of us don't even know where we are 3223 02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:12,639 now. I'm telling you, it's disorienting 3224 02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:14,079 when you're trying to find your place. 3225 02:16:12,639 --> 02:16:16,239 Some people came to the game and could 3226 02:16:14,079 --> 02:16:18,320 not even find where their families lived 3227 02:16:16,239 --> 02:16:19,840 because the names have changed so much. 3228 02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:22,719 We've had three name changes in 3229 02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:25,599 Frenchtown over the past three months. 3230 02:16:22,719 --> 02:16:28,320 you know to the reverends Pharaoh that 3231 02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:30,880 was formerly known as Central Street, 3232 02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:32,479 Reverend Shephard formerly known as Dwey 3233 02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:35,040 Street, 3234 02:16:32,479 --> 02:16:36,880 Reverend Jax, 3235 02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:40,319 Jesse Jackson, formerly known as 3236 02:16:36,880 --> 02:16:43,120 Carolina Street, which now the work that 3237 02:16:40,319 --> 02:16:45,120 Reverend Holmes did for Carolina Oaks 3238 02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:47,439 doesn't exist. The history be written 3239 02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:49,760 away because of that change of that 3240 02:16:47,439 --> 02:16:51,519 name. 3241 02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:53,920 And the other aspect now is we do 3242 02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:56,240 another naming. It's going to wipe out 3243 02:16:53,920 --> 02:16:58,000 Virginia Street's history and all the 3244 02:16:56,240 --> 02:16:59,359 things that were on that street. You 3245 02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:00,960 can't even imagine. 3246 02:16:59,359 --> 02:17:03,359 » You're at 30 seconds remaining. 3247 02:17:00,960 --> 02:17:06,160 » Okay. But I say no to the changing. It's 3248 02:17:03,359 --> 02:17:08,719 nothing personal. It's about this is 3249 02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:09,359 home and it's historic. 3250 02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:11,840 » Thank you. 3251 02:17:09,359 --> 02:17:14,399 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 3252 02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:17,719 » Next speaker is Daryl Alfred and then 3253 02:17:14,399 --> 02:17:17,719 Kim Okconor. 3254 02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,920 your name and address for the record, 3255 02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:24,240 please. 3256 02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:27,679 » Hey guys, my name is Daryl Alfred. I 3257 02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:31,679 live at 814 West Tharp Street and uh I 3258 02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:33,840 stand here today in opposition. Um 3259 02:17:31,679 --> 02:17:35,280 I stand with I stand before you today in 3260 02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:36,719 solidarity with the residents in 3261 02:17:35,280 --> 02:17:38,719 opposition to the renaming of these 3262 02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:40,080 streets. Virginia Street isn't just 3263 02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:42,080 another street name. It's part of 3264 02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:44,000 Tallahassy's history. During 3265 02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:46,000 segregation, the Negro Motorist Green 3266 02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:48,160 Book helped black travelers find places 3267 02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:49,760 where they could safely eat, sleep, and 3268 02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:52,319 travel without being turned away or 3269 02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:54,319 putting themselves in danger. The Tuks 3270 02:17:52,319 --> 02:17:56,719 Hotel on Virginia Street was part of 3271 02:17:54,319 --> 02:17:58,479 that history. It gave black travelers a 3272 02:17:56,719 --> 02:18:01,040 safe place to stay when something as 3273 02:17:58,479 --> 02:18:03,280 basic as lodging wasn't guaranteed to us 3274 02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:04,639 elsewhere. For that reason, it became a 3275 02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:06,080 point of access with historical 3276 02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:08,399 recognition in our city for black 3277 02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:10,160 residents and visitors alike. that 3278 02:18:08,399 --> 02:18:12,960 matters and I think there's a connection 3279 02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:15,359 between access then and access now. Back 3280 02:18:12,960 --> 02:18:17,359 then the issue was access to a hotel. 3281 02:18:15,359 --> 02:18:19,840 Today it's access to the decisions that 3282 02:18:17,359 --> 02:18:21,679 shape community. People who live in 3283 02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:23,359 Frenchtown, grew up in Frenchtown and 3284 02:18:21,679 --> 02:18:24,800 carry its history should know about a 3285 02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:27,120 change like this before it's already 3286 02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:28,719 headed toward a vote. They should have a 3287 02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:31,200 meaningful opportunity to say whether 3288 02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:33,519 they want it. This doesn't have to be an 3289 02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:37,040 argument against honoring Doc uh 3290 02:18:33,519 --> 02:18:38,960 Reverend RB and Gloria Holmes. We should 3291 02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:40,479 honor them. I think we can all 3292 02:18:38,960 --> 02:18:41,920 appreciate the many contributions the 3293 02:18:40,479 --> 02:18:43,920 Reverend and First Lady have brought to 3294 02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:45,359 our community. It just seems we can 3295 02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:46,880 honor people without erasing or 3296 02:18:45,359 --> 02:18:49,359 replacing another piece of black history 3297 02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:51,200 to do it. Frenchtown has already 3298 02:18:49,359 --> 02:18:53,439 experienced enormous changes in eraser 3299 02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:54,559 in the past 20 years, and too often the 3300 02:18:53,439 --> 02:18:55,760 people most connected to the 3301 02:18:54,559 --> 02:18:57,519 neighborhood are brought into the 3302 02:18:55,760 --> 02:19:00,639 conversation after decisions are already 3303 02:18:57,519 --> 02:19:02,319 moving. That shouldn't happen here. If 3304 02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:04,000 we're considering changing the name of a 3305 02:19:02,319 --> 02:19:06,240 historic street, the community should be 3306 02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:09,200 involved from the beginning. As with any 3307 02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:11,519 decision, not informed at the end of a 3308 02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:13,519 short runway for change, preservation 3309 02:19:11,519 --> 02:19:15,120 and recognition don't have to compete, 3310 02:19:13,519 --> 02:19:17,200 but on something this connected to 3311 02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:20,399 Frenchtown's history, community consent 3312 02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:22,559 should come first. Thanks. 3313 02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:24,559 » Our next speaker, please. Next speaker 3314 02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:26,080 is Kim Okconor. 3315 02:19:24,559 --> 02:19:26,960 And mayor, this is the last speaker I 3316 02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:29,960 have on the item. 3317 02:19:26,960 --> 02:19:29,960 » Okay. 3318 02:19:39,599 --> 02:19:41,920 your name and address for the record, 3319 02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:44,800 please. 3320 02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:50,080 » Kim O'Coner, 3321 02:19:44,800 --> 02:19:52,240 301 East Carolina Street. 3322 02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:56,000 Um, 3323 02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:58,640 I keep in I signed up for public 3324 02:19:56,000 --> 02:20:01,200 comments way at the end addressed to 3325 02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:03,680 nothing, but I just you all know how 3326 02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:06,080 much I love Reverend Holmes and I just 3327 02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:09,600 had to speak. But then when I heard when 3328 02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:13,120 I heard before those ladies talked, when 3329 02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:15,600 I heard um part of Virginia Street, I 3330 02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:17,200 just thought, why not all of Duvall 3331 02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:19,680 Street? you know, he came here from 3332 02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:22,800 Duvall and that's a big long street and 3333 02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:25,040 it's not Virginia Street. So, but I just 3334 02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:27,680 uh any street any recognition for 3335 02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:29,760 Reverend Holmes and he remembers me. I 3336 02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:33,600 visited the church and when Michael 3337 02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:36,560 Fagen was talking and uh he remembers me 3338 02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:39,920 from 1983 when I was a death penalty 3339 02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:42,399 activist and he came with Jesse Jackson 3340 02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:46,720 and they went to govern when Jackson was 3341 02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:49,040 a was 84 when he was running for 3342 02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:53,280 president to campaign but they brought a 3343 02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:55,840 letter from Scott King to the governor 3344 02:20:53,280 --> 02:21:00,479 asking him to spare the life of a 3345 02:20:55,840 --> 02:21:03,359 convicted did u civil rights civil right 3346 02:21:00,479 --> 02:21:06,000 murderer civil rights activist. So just 3347 02:21:03,359 --> 02:21:08,560 I couldn't miss this opportunity to say 3348 02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:11,960 how much Reverend Holmes means to me of 3349 02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:11,960 all I think 3350 02:21:13,178 --> 02:21:15,197 [applause] 3351 02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:18,479 » Mayor I have been given one additional 3352 02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,160 speaker. 3353 02:21:18,479 --> 02:21:23,720 » Okay our next speaker please. Uh, 3354 02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:23,720 Zachary Bell. 3355 02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:33,600 » My name is Zachary Bell. Uh, I believe 3356 02:21:30,880 --> 02:21:37,040 my address is exempt first responder, 3357 02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:39,120 but uh, one consideration I had, I'm not 3358 02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:41,600 really pro or against this particular 3359 02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:43,520 topic, but is this go into effect late 3360 02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:45,439 October? Is this going to potentially 3361 02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:47,200 affect anyone's voter registration right 3362 02:21:45,439 --> 02:21:48,080 before November? 3363 02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:50,080 um 3364 02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:52,000 » That could be a problem for a number of 3365 02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:54,960 residents, especially with their growing 3366 02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:56,479 scrutiny on mail ballots. Thank you. 3367 02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:58,160 » Our next speaker, please. 3368 02:21:56,479 --> 02:22:01,200 » Mayor, that's the last speaker I have. 3369 02:21:58,160 --> 02:22:02,960 » All right. Is there a motion to begin uh 3370 02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:06,479 discussion? Commissioner Williams Cox. 3371 02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:08,240 » Yes, sir. Um Mr. Mayor, I I move very 3372 02:22:06,479 --> 02:22:11,439 proudly that we move forward with the 3373 02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:14,800 renaming of um the portion of Virginia 3374 02:22:11,439 --> 02:22:18,479 Street described for Reverend but for uh 3375 02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:19,280 Drs. RB Holmes Jr. and his wife Gloria 3376 02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:21,120 Price Holmes. 3377 02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:24,479 » I will second it with Commission with 3378 02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:25,680 the Mayor Pro Tim. Uh for comment, 3379 02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:28,880 Commissioner Porter. 3380 02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:30,720 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I um we all may 3381 02:22:28,880 --> 02:22:33,120 have received the email from Deletri 3382 02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:35,920 Hollinger who 3383 02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:39,439 um made I think a great suggestion which 3384 02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:42,000 was that we rename instead a portion of 3385 02:22:39,439 --> 02:22:43,760 North Bernau Street. I think because of 3386 02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:45,840 the concerns 3387 02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:47,520 and and they're not not just because of 3388 02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:50,479 concerns from residents, but because of 3389 02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:53,200 the historic significance. Um I just 3390 02:22:50,479 --> 02:22:55,840 wonder if we would consider moving 3391 02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:58,720 forward with a change to Reno Street 3392 02:22:55,840 --> 02:23:00,319 instead. 3393 02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:02,800 And I want to just say very quickly, I 3394 02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:04,720 want to thank I mean I won't repeat 3395 02:23:02,800 --> 02:23:08,640 what's been said. This is nothing to do 3396 02:23:04,720 --> 02:23:12,240 with um with doctors RB and Gloria 3397 02:23:08,640 --> 02:23:14,880 Holmes, but I I I really think it would 3398 02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:17,359 be a shame to rename 3399 02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:19,760 West Virginia Street given that special 3400 02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:21,200 history. 3401 02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:23,200 » Thank you, Commissioner Williams. 3402 02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:27,200 » On point. Thank you, Commissioner 3403 02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:29,600 Porter. I'm I guess we we we're not 3404 02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:32,720 trying to erase history. History is 3405 02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:34,880 history and it it's well documented. But 3406 02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:36,720 I think what we're doing is we're trying 3407 02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:38,960 to honor honor some folks who've done 3408 02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:40,399 tremendous work in that in that 3409 02:23:38,960 --> 02:23:43,600 community in that area that brought 3410 02:23:40,399 --> 02:23:48,479 great value and even more historic um u 3411 02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:51,120 honor to um that area. So not trying to, 3412 02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:53,920 you know, eliminate history. I I'm a you 3413 02:23:51,120 --> 02:24:01,120 know big supporter of history um and 3414 02:23:53,920 --> 02:24:05,040 love history. Um but um this is the the 3415 02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:07,760 the synergy here is the 3416 02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:11,600 portion of Virginia Street is the 3417 02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:14,080 southern portion around the um family 3418 02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:16,000 life center. On the north end of the 3419 02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:17,600 family life center built by Bethl under 3420 02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:20,640 the leadership of Reverend Holmes and 3421 02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:24,080 his wife. on the north end is um 3422 02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:28,319 Reverend Jesse Jackson Street and to the 3423 02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:30,240 west end of it is um Martin Luther King 3424 02:24:28,319 --> 02:24:33,280 and before it goes on to the others. So 3425 02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:36,479 it's the the synergy of uh folks who 3426 02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:38,720 have um made tremendous impact in our 3427 02:24:36,479 --> 02:24:41,280 community in the world. And I think that 3428 02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:46,359 the children who will continue to grow 3429 02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:46,359 go and grow through the family lifesty 3430 02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:50,000 um will know that history as well. But 3431 02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:53,600 there's nothing to prevent us from 3432 02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:56,720 teaching them the history of Frenchtown 3433 02:24:53,600 --> 02:25:00,560 and other communities um around our our 3434 02:24:56,720 --> 02:25:02,800 our city. So to that point, I'm I I did 3435 02:25:00,560 --> 02:25:03,200 get Deletri's email as well. 3436 02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:07,520 » Yeah. 3437 02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:09,359 » Um but that is not the um that is not 3438 02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:09,840 something that I would support. 3439 02:25:09,359 --> 02:25:10,720 » Okay. 3440 02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:11,200 » Mayor Pimp, 3441 02:25:10,720 --> 02:25:12,479 » Thank you. 3442 02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:14,000 » Okay. I wasn't done, Mr. Mayor. 3443 02:25:12,479 --> 02:25:16,399 » Oh. 3444 02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:18,160 » Uh she wasn't speaking on point. She was 3445 02:25:16,399 --> 02:25:18,399 recognized to speak. You have had a 3446 02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:20,720 chance. 3447 02:25:18,399 --> 02:25:21,840 » I asked a question. She answered. I was 3448 02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:23,680 still I still have 3449 02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:24,880 » I apologize. You are correct. It is your 3450 02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:28,000 time. I'm sorry. 3451 02:25:24,880 --> 02:25:29,840 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, and and I 3452 02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:32,160 understand. I just think that especially 3453 02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:35,680 given 3454 02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:37,840 that Renault Street is named after a 3455 02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:39,439 close confidant of Andrew Jackson, the 3456 02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:41,040 first president of the territorial 3457 02:25:39,439 --> 02:25:42,720 legislation. 3458 02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:44,319 There's a pretty shameful racist history 3459 02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:46,560 there. So, I think it would be just that 3460 02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:48,720 much more befitting to rename that 3461 02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:51,040 street. I I understand. I I I take your 3462 02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:54,720 point. Um but regretfully I just don't 3463 02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:56,240 think that I can support it today given 3464 02:25:54,720 --> 02:25:58,640 given 3465 02:25:56,240 --> 02:26:00,560 what I have learned and also just as a 3466 02:25:58,640 --> 02:26:03,439 bigger message I don't want to be put in 3467 02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:06,000 this position again um this has happened 3468 02:26:03,439 --> 02:26:09,200 in the past where direction was given to 3469 02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:11,439 rename Wish way this if there is 3470 02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:13,760 historical significance 3471 02:26:11,439 --> 02:26:15,600 that should be a part of this item that 3472 02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:18,080 comes back to us so that we are not in 3473 02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:20,479 this position I later found out that 3474 02:26:18,080 --> 02:26:21,920 that street was incredibly significant 3475 02:26:20,479 --> 02:26:24,399 to members of our Jewish community 3476 02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:28,960 because Mayor Wanish was the first 3477 02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:30,080 Jewish mayor of of Tallahassee. So, I 3478 02:26:28,960 --> 02:26:31,680 didn't want to make these comments 3479 02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:33,760 during this discussion, but since 3480 02:26:31,680 --> 02:26:37,760 because I don't want to take away from 3481 02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:40,160 the significance of this of this honor, 3482 02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:42,319 but I do not want to be in this position 3483 02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:44,560 again. If there is historical 3484 02:26:42,319 --> 02:26:46,479 significance that the commission needs 3485 02:26:44,560 --> 02:26:49,840 to know about when making a decision 3486 02:26:46,479 --> 02:26:52,160 like this, including V West Virginia 3487 02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:54,160 Street, it should be part of our agenda 3488 02:26:52,160 --> 02:26:56,399 materials, not only for the commission, 3489 02:26:54,160 --> 02:26:58,399 but for the public, so that we're not in 3490 02:26:56,399 --> 02:26:59,520 this position again. Thank you, 3491 02:26:58,399 --> 02:27:04,319 » Mayor Pim. 3492 02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:09,040 » Thank you. Uh Mr. Mayor, I fully support 3493 02:27:04,319 --> 02:27:11,600 uh the motion on the on the DAZ before 3494 02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:16,640 the DAZ at this point. I fully support 3495 02:27:11,600 --> 02:27:20,640 it apparently based on the comments that 3496 02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:25,200 were presented to us by Mr. Matthews on 3497 02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:28,160 behalf of doctors RB and Gloria Holmes. 3498 02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:30,560 They have agreed to this uh and feel 3499 02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:34,319 comfortable with it. Uh, and I think we 3500 02:27:30,560 --> 02:27:37,920 should move forward with it. Um, to to 3501 02:27:34,319 --> 02:27:40,560 put forth a recommendation at the last 3502 02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:43,120 minute like this that came from one 3503 02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:46,479 person, uh, I don't think is appropriate 3504 02:27:43,120 --> 02:27:48,880 when you've got almost half a room here 3505 02:27:46,479 --> 02:27:51,520 at the city commission chambers in 3506 02:27:48,880 --> 02:27:53,200 support of what's being proposed here 3507 02:27:51,520 --> 02:27:56,319 today. I feel like we should move 3508 02:27:53,200 --> 02:27:59,040 forward with it. Uh, I understand your 3509 02:27:56,319 --> 02:28:01,920 concerns, uh, Commissioner Porter, but 3510 02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:04,240 to come with this at the last minute 3511 02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:06,880 when Commissioner Williams Cox has made 3512 02:28:04,240 --> 02:28:09,520 the motion, uh, there is tremendous 3513 02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:11,680 support for it. Uh, I think we need to 3514 02:28:09,520 --> 02:28:14,240 move forward uh, with what's been 3515 02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:16,399 brought before us here today. 3516 02:28:14,240 --> 02:28:17,840 » Mr. Porter, 3517 02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:19,600 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I just want to 3518 02:28:17,840 --> 02:28:22,080 say I fully intended to come here 3519 02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:24,000 supporting this item. I was not aware of 3520 02:28:22,080 --> 02:28:26,399 the historical significance of that 3521 02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:29,600 street. So, it was last minute 3522 02:28:26,399 --> 02:28:31,520 information to me as well. So, I want to 3523 02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:34,399 make that clear. It was it was never my 3524 02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:36,800 intent to vote to vote against this. And 3525 02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:40,399 respectfully, Commissioner Richardson, I 3526 02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:42,560 mean, we just heard new we just heard 3527 02:28:40,399 --> 02:28:44,399 not a single person speak in favor of a 3528 02:28:42,560 --> 02:28:46,479 supermajority for the city manager's 3529 02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:49,600 contract. So, [applause] I think it's 3530 02:28:46,479 --> 02:28:52,319 important and I'm sure I'm sure and I I 3531 02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:53,680 I cannot speak for the members here in 3532 02:28:52,319 --> 02:28:56,479 the audience who are here to support 3533 02:28:53,680 --> 02:29:01,040 this item, but I would guess that their 3534 02:28:56,479 --> 02:29:02,720 interest is that that they're that these 3535 02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:04,640 outstanding community leaders are 3536 02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:08,399 recognized and honored and not that it 3537 02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:09,920 be necessarily in in one 3538 02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:12,399 street. I understand the historical 3539 02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:15,280 significance of that of that area to to 3540 02:29:12,399 --> 02:29:16,560 the ministry as well, but you know, 3541 02:29:15,280 --> 02:29:18,080 that's just where I'm at and I 3542 02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:19,439 apologize. Thank you. 3543 02:29:18,080 --> 02:29:23,600 » All right. There is a motion on the 3544 02:29:19,439 --> 02:29:25,280 table to uh accept uh option number one 3545 02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:28,080 made by Commissioner Williams Cox, 3546 02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:29,439 seconded by the mayor and Mayor Pro Tim. 3547 02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:30,479 Uh Commissioner Matlo, you are 3548 02:29:29,439 --> 02:29:33,680 recognized. [clears throat] 3549 02:29:30,479 --> 02:29:35,600 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh I don't have 3550 02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:37,600 strong feelings about which road gets 3551 02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:41,040 renamed. Um, I do have strong feelings 3552 02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:44,479 that we we rename a road in honor um of 3553 02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:46,319 Dr. Gloria and RB Holmes. Uh, to me that 3554 02:29:44,479 --> 02:29:47,680 I think Bruno does need to be renamed. I 3555 02:29:46,319 --> 02:29:48,720 think Call Street needs to be renamed. I 3556 02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:50,800 think there's a lot of roads in our 3557 02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:53,760 community that have shameful history uh 3558 02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:55,120 that we should be uh looking at. Um, and 3559 02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:56,960 I understand what's being presented 3560 02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:58,960 today is the will of of the majority. 3561 02:29:56,960 --> 02:30:01,840 And I'm happy uh to support that because 3562 02:29:58,960 --> 02:30:04,479 I do think we do need to make sure uh we 3563 02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:06,880 continue to honor the people who have um 3564 02:30:04,479 --> 02:30:08,399 invested uh their lives in improving uh 3565 02:30:06,880 --> 02:30:09,200 the city of Tallahassee. Thank you, Mr. 3566 02:30:08,399 --> 02:30:10,720 Mayor. 3567 02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:12,399 » All those in favor of the motion on the 3568 02:30:10,720 --> 02:30:12,960 table signify by saying I. 3569 02:30:12,399 --> 02:30:14,160 » I. 3570 02:30:12,960 --> 02:30:14,720 » All those opposed? 3571 02:30:14,160 --> 02:30:16,800 » Nay. 3572 02:30:14,720 --> 02:30:18,960 » And it passes 41 with Commissioner 3573 02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:21,419 Porter in descent. We look forward to 3574 02:30:18,960 --> 02:30:23,438 celebrating with you very soon. 3575 02:30:21,419 --> 02:30:23,438 [applause] 3576 02:30:24,880 --> 02:30:27,439 Colleagues, we have a long meeting ahead 3577 02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:29,680 of us. We're going to go ahead and 3578 02:30:27,439 --> 02:30:33,240 recess. We will come back at 6:00 for 3579 02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:33,240 the public hearing. 3580 02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:47,040 Gentlemen, I'd like to call this public 3581 02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:49,600 hearing to order. It is 6:03 in the 3582 02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:50,960 evening. Uh there are four of us in 3583 02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:54,800 chambers and I know Commissioner 3584 02:30:50,960 --> 02:30:58,479 Williams Cox is in route as we speak. 3585 02:30:54,800 --> 02:31:03,359 Folks, we will take up uh 16.01 of the 3586 02:30:58,479 --> 02:31:04,880 public hearing. 16.02 16.03 16.04. 3587 02:31:03,359 --> 02:31:09,520 Once we are done with the public 3588 02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:11,120 hearing, we will resort back to 12.03 3589 02:31:09,520 --> 02:31:13,120 12.01. 3590 02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:15,280 Then we will take unagended speakers. 3591 02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:17,120 Then we will have the sharing of ideas. 3592 02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:19,200 Just so that everybody is clear on the 3593 02:31:17,120 --> 02:31:21,600 schedule for this evening. Right now we 3594 02:31:19,200 --> 02:31:24,560 are on 16.01, the first of two public 3595 02:31:21,600 --> 02:31:26,640 hearings on the fiscal year 27 budget 3596 02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:28,560 plan. Mr. Manager, I will turn it over 3597 02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:30,560 to you for the budget presentation. 3598 02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:32,800 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to 3599 02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:35,680 recognize Robert Wigan. He is our 3600 02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:37,600 director of resource management. He's 3601 02:31:35,680 --> 02:31:39,760 here to provide a presentation and 3602 02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:42,080 overview of this year's budget. He's 3603 02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:44,720 joined by his staff. They've done a good 3604 02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:46,080 job putting this together. U I'm very 3605 02:31:44,720 --> 02:31:47,359 pleased with the budget. It's a 3606 02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:48,960 challenging year. We've talked about 3607 02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:52,080 that. You've given us good direction 3608 02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:54,960 over the course of the year. Um and this 3609 02:31:52,080 --> 02:31:56,560 starts to bring in the final steps as 3610 02:31:54,960 --> 02:31:58,560 you mentioned the first of two public 3611 02:31:56,560 --> 02:32:00,560 hearings that'll occur tonight. So with 3612 02:31:58,560 --> 02:32:01,920 that, Mr. Mayor, I'll ask Robert to 3613 02:32:00,560 --> 02:32:04,800 begin with his presentation. 3614 02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:06,560 » Robert, before we begin, uh for eight 3615 02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:09,200 years now, I've had the opportunity to 3616 02:32:06,560 --> 02:32:12,880 work with you and the budget uh office 3617 02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:14,960 uh on our budget cycles. Every year I am 3618 02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:17,600 absolutely amazed and impressed by the 3619 02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:20,640 level of professionalism and quite 3620 02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:22,160 honestly expertise of you and your team. 3621 02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:23,520 This will be our last budget that we 3622 02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:25,600 have the opportunity to work with on a 3623 02:32:23,520 --> 02:32:27,840 personal level. I want you to know how 3624 02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:30,160 much I appreciate the hard work that you 3625 02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:33,040 and your team does. You all are a 3626 02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:35,680 nationally awardwinning and recognized 3627 02:32:33,040 --> 02:32:38,319 budget office. You do incredible work 3628 02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:39,600 during some very difficult times and I 3629 02:32:38,319 --> 02:32:41,760 just want you to know on a personal note 3630 02:32:39,600 --> 02:32:43,600 how much I appreciate it. go ahead with 3631 02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:44,479 the presentation and uh we'll go from 3632 02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:46,479 there. 3633 02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:48,880 » Thank you very much, Mayor. Uh thank you 3634 02:32:46,479 --> 02:32:50,800 uh for the introduction. Uh Mayor, city 3635 02:32:48,880 --> 02:32:52,319 manager go um [clears throat] 3636 02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:54,640 commissioners, appointed officials and 3637 02:32:52,319 --> 02:32:56,240 members of the public who are here. We 3638 02:32:54,640 --> 02:32:59,439 are here to talk about the city of 3639 02:32:56,240 --> 02:33:01,200 Tallahassee fiscal year 27 uh budget 3640 02:32:59,439 --> 02:33:02,640 adoption. This is our first public 3641 02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:05,600 hearing. We'll have a second public 3642 02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:07,920 hearing on September 23rd uh to to go 3643 02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:10,640 through the final steps of adopting that 3644 02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:13,760 fiscal year 27 budget. We've gotten here 3645 02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:16,479 through um your strategic planning 3646 02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:18,399 workshop, through three workshops of our 3647 02:33:16,479 --> 02:33:20,640 own, as well as these two public 3648 02:33:18,399 --> 02:33:23,040 hearings. Uh we have some very specific 3649 02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:25,359 goals tonight. Um that we're conducting 3650 02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:28,800 the first of the two public hearings. Uh 3651 02:33:25,359 --> 02:33:31,840 the operating budget is $983 million. 3652 02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:33,359 That's across 14 major funds. the 3653 02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:36,080 general fund we pay the most attention 3654 02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:39,230 to uh because it's the most constrained 3655 02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:41,359 with property taxes only making 3656 02:33:39,230 --> 02:33:45,520 [clears throat] 94% of what our police 3657 02:33:41,359 --> 02:33:47,359 budget uh requires. Uh the the other 13 3658 02:33:45,520 --> 02:33:50,240 funds are independent and stand alone 3659 02:33:47,359 --> 02:33:53,040 among themselves. Uh this B budget we're 3660 02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:54,720 bringing to is balanced. Uh some of the 3661 02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:56,720 steps that we'll go through as goals 3662 02:33:54,720 --> 02:33:59,280 will adopt the current mill rate of 3663 02:33:56,720 --> 02:34:02,080 4.4072. 3664 02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:04,720 um that will ensure us a surplus of $2.5 3665 02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:06,800 million ahead of the November property 3666 02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:08,399 tax amendment vote and I'll get into 3667 02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:10,479 more a little more details of that in 3668 02:34:08,399 --> 02:34:12,080 the presentation. We'll ask you to 3669 02:34:10,479 --> 02:34:15,359 approve new healthc care rates for 3670 02:34:12,080 --> 02:34:17,280 calendar year 2027. Uh we're very 3671 02:34:15,359 --> 02:34:19,600 comfortable where this positions 3672 02:34:17,280 --> 02:34:21,840 employees within the city. As you'll 3673 02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:24,319 remember, your direction was to was to 3674 02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:27,439 mitigate the cost impacts over time. And 3675 02:34:24,319 --> 02:34:30,960 we've maintained that uh uh at 20% paid 3676 02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:33,680 by employees, 80% paid by by by uh the 3677 02:34:30,960 --> 02:34:35,520 city. Um and there was just a minimal 3678 02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:38,080 change of what the healthcare rates were 3679 02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:40,240 from what we assumed and so so no need 3680 02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:42,399 to adjust for the budget. Uh we'll ask 3681 02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:45,040 you to adopt rate resolutions for solid 3682 02:34:42,399 --> 02:34:46,479 waste and parking rates. And then uh and 3683 02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:48,080 that's based on the financing the 3684 02:34:46,479 --> 02:34:50,640 government policy where we want to 3685 02:34:48,080 --> 02:34:53,120 ensure that those who are receiving the 3686 02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:54,960 services are paying for those services 3687 02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:56,399 uh rather than laying it on the feet of 3688 02:34:54,960 --> 02:34:59,120 the uh residential and commercial 3689 02:34:56,399 --> 02:35:00,640 property owners. Uh and then as you all 3690 02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:02,640 know we introduced the water and 3691 02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:05,439 wastewater ordinance for rates, fees and 3692 02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:07,280 charges. Uh Commissioner Matlo uh we 3693 02:35:05,439 --> 02:35:09,760 will bring those documents back that you 3694 02:35:07,280 --> 02:35:14,960 asked for uh in the in the September 3695 02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:16,640 23rd uh uh uh uh hearing. uh and and 3696 02:35:14,960 --> 02:35:18,160 appreciate that comment and thank you 3697 02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:21,200 Commissioner Richardson for similar 3698 02:35:18,160 --> 02:35:24,240 comments. Um 3699 02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:25,680 as you well know uh the fiscal year 27 3700 02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:28,399 budget highlights our strategic 3701 02:35:25,680 --> 02:35:30,399 investments and high level services. We 3702 02:35:28,399 --> 02:35:32,000 uh fund city services, staff and 3703 02:35:30,399 --> 02:35:34,560 resources in accordance with the 3704 02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:37,680 strategic plan priorities. public safety 3705 02:35:34,560 --> 02:35:39,359 is a a a significant priority and this 3706 02:35:37,680 --> 02:35:41,680 budget includes additional police 3707 02:35:39,359 --> 02:35:43,840 officers and then continues your public 3708 02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:47,120 safety wraparound services that support 3709 02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:50,240 those officers. Uh we also uh are 3710 02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:52,160 recognizing and celebrating this budget 3711 02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:54,720 because it'll be the first time in 10 3712 02:35:52,160 --> 02:35:56,960 years that we're entering a fiscal year 3713 02:35:54,720 --> 02:36:00,160 with a balanced uh with a fully funded 3714 02:35:56,960 --> 02:36:01,680 deficiencies fund. Um, we, as you well 3715 02:36:00,160 --> 02:36:03,333 know, we we went through the housing 3716 02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:04,319 crisis. We went through the pandemic. 3717 02:36:03,333 --> 02:36:07,920 [clears throat] We've been through many 3718 02:36:04,319 --> 02:36:10,960 storms. Uh, this is this has been built 3719 02:36:07,920 --> 02:36:12,800 up over time as we've recovered uh from 3720 02:36:10,960 --> 02:36:15,200 those storms and gotten reimbursed by 3721 02:36:12,800 --> 02:36:17,840 FEMA. Uh, this has been restored as 3722 02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:20,080 we've gone through uh certain land sales 3723 02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:22,880 that have that are by policy go back to 3724 02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:25,040 that deficiencies fund. And so it's very 3725 02:36:22,880 --> 02:36:26,720 uh you know that that that direction 3726 02:36:25,040 --> 02:36:28,319 that you've given us in multiple 3727 02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:30,720 different agenda items where we've 3728 02:36:28,319 --> 02:36:33,680 brought back that plan of how to restore 3729 02:36:30,720 --> 02:36:37,520 the deficiencies fund was intentional 3730 02:36:33,680 --> 02:36:39,840 and um you know uh very fiscally sound 3731 02:36:37,520 --> 02:36:42,080 and we appreciate that direction and and 3732 02:36:39,840 --> 02:36:44,319 uh we we we also want to recognize that 3733 02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:46,399 we're entering this fiscal year in that 3734 02:36:44,319 --> 02:36:48,560 capacity. I'll [clears throat] mention 3735 02:36:46,399 --> 02:36:51,120 also that one of the reasons that we're 3736 02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:53,520 recommending the to maintain the 3737 02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:55,920 millillage at 4.072 3738 02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:59,040 is that then gives us a head start on 3739 02:36:55,920 --> 02:37:01,760 fiscal year 28. uh because of the cost 3740 02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:03,520 savings that we're realizing from VSSI, 3741 02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:05,760 because of the efficiencies and 3742 02:37:03,520 --> 02:37:07,760 effectiveness that you've demanded of us 3743 02:37:05,760 --> 02:37:10,479 on a regular basis, our sharpening of 3744 02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:14,319 the pencil, um we're able to identify a 3745 02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:16,399 surplus in fiscal year 27 because of the 3746 02:37:14,319 --> 02:37:19,680 expenditures being reduced, that 3747 02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:22,319 additional increment of $2.8 8 million 3748 02:37:19,680 --> 02:37:25,200 between the roll back rate on a on a 3749 02:37:22,319 --> 02:37:28,960 super maj on a majority vote versus a 3750 02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:31,520 super majority vote um of the 4.4072 3751 02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:35,280 military enables us to get a head start 3752 02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:38,319 ahead of the um you know what we may see 3753 02:37:35,280 --> 02:37:40,319 uh in in the homestead exemption uh vote 3754 02:37:38,319 --> 02:37:42,880 in November. 3755 02:37:40,319 --> 02:37:45,040 Um, as part of that recognition of what 3756 02:37:42,880 --> 02:37:47,120 we do to be financially sound and 3757 02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:50,319 responsible, Fitch Ratings has 3758 02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:52,560 reaffirmed our city city's doubleA 3759 02:37:50,319 --> 02:37:54,479 credit rating and stable outlook. Uh, 3760 02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:56,800 they also cited the highest possible 3761 02:37:54,479 --> 02:37:58,800 assessment for financial resilience. Uh, 3762 02:37:56,800 --> 02:38:01,120 that takes the team of the 14 funds 3763 02:37:58,800 --> 02:38:03,760 working together uh with the treasur 3764 02:38:01,120 --> 02:38:05,359 clerk's office with your direction and 3765 02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:08,640 uh part of that has to be the 3766 02:38:05,359 --> 02:38:11,280 deficiencies fund being in a good state. 3767 02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:13,439 Uh as you have directed in in the in the 3768 02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:16,000 strategic plan uh we continue investing 3769 02:38:13,439 --> 02:38:18,560 in electric vehicle infrastructure, fast 3770 02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:21,120 charging technology and also across the 3771 02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:24,120 organization uh energy efficient 3772 02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:24,120 operations 3773 02:38:26,479 --> 02:38:31,920 based [snorts] on financial based on the 3774 02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:35,359 financing the government policy uh 3775 02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:37,200 commission policy 224. We also strive to 3776 02:38:35,359 --> 02:38:39,600 fully recover the costs from programs 3777 02:38:37,200 --> 02:38:42,560 and services from those who benefit from 3778 02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:45,040 the services. You know, a lot of our our 3779 02:38:42,560 --> 02:38:48,800 utilities are volume based. They're 3780 02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:52,399 frequency based. Um there are means to 3781 02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:54,640 uh uh conserve and and and and reduce 3782 02:38:52,399 --> 02:38:57,200 your utility bills, but there are 3783 02:38:54,640 --> 02:39:00,319 specific rates and fees and charges that 3784 02:38:57,200 --> 02:39:02,479 are only for certain uh entities within 3785 02:39:00,319 --> 02:39:04,160 within the community. And so we want to 3786 02:39:02,479 --> 02:39:06,720 make so sure that those specialized 3787 02:39:04,160 --> 02:39:08,720 services are not subsidized by either 3788 02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:11,439 residential or or small commercial 3789 02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:14,240 customers. So uh what we're bringing 3790 02:39:11,439 --> 02:39:16,640 forward in this in this fiscal year 27 3791 02:39:14,240 --> 02:39:18,399 budget to balance it is solid waste 3792 02:39:16,640 --> 02:39:21,760 rates that are set to fully recover the 3793 02:39:18,399 --> 02:39:24,160 cost of services. Uh primarily that 3794 02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:26,319 those cost of service increases are 3795 02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:28,399 higher disposal fees charged by Leyon 3796 02:39:26,319 --> 02:39:30,160 County. they're addressing that uh 3797 02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:31,920 increased cost in their agenda item, 3798 02:39:30,160 --> 02:39:34,080 their upcoming budget agenda item and 3799 02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:36,560 and acknowledge that that that's a 3800 02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:38,319 shared cost between the two entities. Uh 3801 02:39:36,560 --> 02:39:40,319 we're also making recommendation to 3802 02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:42,800 adjust fees to align with the rising 3803 02:39:40,319 --> 02:39:44,640 cost of providing parking services. Uh 3804 02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:45,600 it's a very valuable commodity and we 3805 02:39:44,640 --> 02:39:47,760 want to make sure that we're 3806 02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:49,680 representing the market well and that 3807 02:39:47,760 --> 02:39:51,359 applies to city operated garages 3808 02:39:49,680 --> 02:39:54,399 including Clayman Plaza and the East 3809 02:39:51,359 --> 02:39:56,880 Side Garage. And then lastly uh based on 3810 02:39:54,399 --> 02:39:59,280 the independent rate study uh from our 3811 02:39:56,880 --> 02:40:01,680 consultant Lidos engineering we looked 3812 02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:05,439 at fiscal year 26 as the baseline 3813 02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:07,200 evaluated fiscal year 27 28 and 29 the 3814 02:40:05,439 --> 02:40:09,439 cost of operations the cost of 3815 02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:12,160 maintaining our system and then any 3816 02:40:09,439 --> 02:40:14,160 improvements in that infrastructure. 3817 02:40:12,160 --> 02:40:17,520 As such we're bringing forward nominal 3818 02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:19,680 increases uh in the water fund about 25 3819 02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:22,880 cents per month uh in the wastewater 3820 02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:24,880 fund about $2.58. And as you'll well 3821 02:40:22,880 --> 02:40:27,200 remember, we're ahead of the game with 3822 02:40:24,880 --> 02:40:29,280 our advanced wastewater treatment uh 3823 02:40:27,200 --> 02:40:31,520 because we know what how much of a 3824 02:40:29,280 --> 02:40:33,840 valuable commodity our our our water 3825 02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:37,359 system is and and the the aquifer that 3826 02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:39,200 we use. Uh to give you assurance on a 3827 02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:43,120 regular basis, we look at our municipal 3828 02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:45,040 cost across this basket of goods. We 3829 02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:47,359 compare ourselves then to similar 3830 02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:49,920 communities and we see that we're we 3831 02:40:47,359 --> 02:40:52,640 would remain within the third lowest 3832 02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:54,640 among those 12 pure cities even with 3833 02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:55,920 implementing these rate changes. And so 3834 02:40:54,640 --> 02:40:58,920 we're comfortable bringing those 3835 02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:58,920 forward. 3836 02:40:59,200 --> 02:41:04,640 With that, um, I'll bring forward, um, 3837 02:41:02,800 --> 02:41:05,840 uh, that with with with that as 3838 02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:07,439 background, I'll bring forward that 3839 02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:09,280 we'll ask you to take the actions that 3840 02:41:07,439 --> 02:41:11,520 are listed under the public hearing 3841 02:41:09,280 --> 02:41:13,920 steps to approve the tenative millage 3842 02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:16,880 rate of 4.4072, 3843 02:41:13,920 --> 02:41:19,840 the tenative DIA millage rate of 1 mil 3844 02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:21,920 and then both of those by supermajority. 3845 02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:24,479 Uh, we'll ask you to adopt the fiscal 3846 02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:26,080 year to fiscal year 27 proposed 3847 02:41:24,479 --> 02:41:29,280 operating and capital budgets as 3848 02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:32,240 presented. uh uh approve the calendar 3849 02:41:29,280 --> 02:41:34,399 year 27 health plan rates and then op 3850 02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:36,479 adopt the resolutions for solid waste 3851 02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:38,399 and parking rates. And again, just to 3852 02:41:36,479 --> 02:41:40,960 repeat, the the final public hearing to 3853 02:41:38,399 --> 02:41:45,760 consider these items are is in September 3854 02:41:40,960 --> 02:41:48,160 23rd at at 6:00 p.m. Uh as unless 3855 02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:50,240 there's initial questions as we proceed, 3856 02:41:48,160 --> 02:41:52,720 there's a statutoily direct order to 3857 02:41:50,240 --> 02:41:55,200 ensure the budget is adopted and read 3858 02:41:52,720 --> 02:41:57,439 into the record uh as the legislature 3859 02:41:55,200 --> 02:42:00,080 has directed. Uh the process is 3860 02:41:57,439 --> 02:42:01,520 conducted by the city attorney and we 3861 02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:03,840 can proceed to open the public hearing 3862 02:42:01,520 --> 02:42:05,520 at at your uh at your agreement. 3863 02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:09,040 » Sounds great. Before we get into the 3864 02:42:05,520 --> 02:42:13,760 formalities, are there any questions of 3865 02:42:09,040 --> 02:42:15,439 simply clarification for Robert? 3866 02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:18,560 » Madame Attorney. 3867 02:42:15,439 --> 02:42:20,960 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um Florida statute 3868 02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:22,960 section 200.065 3869 02:42:20,960 --> 02:42:25,200 requires two public hearings to adopt 3870 02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:27,280 the milligen budget. These hearings 3871 02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:30,319 scheduled for today, September 9, and 3872 02:42:27,280 --> 02:42:32,399 September 23rd, 2026, do not conflict 3873 02:42:30,319 --> 02:42:34,800 with the county or school board public 3874 02:42:32,399 --> 02:42:36,319 hearing dates. Specific actions required 3875 02:42:34,800 --> 02:42:38,000 at this first public hearing in the 3876 02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:41,520 required order of execution are 3877 02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:45,920 delineated as follows. The proposed mill 3878 02:42:41,520 --> 02:42:49,840 rate for fiscal year 27 is 4.472 3879 02:42:45,920 --> 02:42:52,319 for the city of Tallahassee and 1.00 000 3880 02:42:49,840 --> 02:42:54,479 for the downtown improvement authority 3881 02:42:52,319 --> 02:42:57,920 which is more than the aggregate rolled 3882 02:42:54,479 --> 02:43:00,640 back rate of 4.2782 3883 02:42:57,920 --> 02:43:04,240 by 3.47%. 3884 02:43:00,640 --> 02:43:06,800 Resolution number 26-R31 3885 02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:08,399 which is provided 3886 02:43:06,800 --> 02:43:10,720 uh to state the percentage and the 3887 02:43:08,399 --> 02:43:13,439 tenative mill rate is above the rolled 3888 02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:16,000 back rate is in attachment A. The title 3889 02:43:13,439 --> 02:43:18,720 to the resolution setting forth the city 3890 02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:21,840 commission's approvals are as follows. 3891 02:43:18,720 --> 02:43:23,520 Resolution number 26-R31, 3892 02:43:21,840 --> 02:43:25,120 a resolution establishing the millage 3893 02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:29,439 rate for the fiscal year beginning 3894 02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:33,200 October 1, 2026 and ending September 30, 3895 02:43:29,439 --> 02:43:35,600 2027 as 4.472 3896 02:43:33,200 --> 02:43:37,359 mills for the city of Tallahassee and 3897 02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:39,280 1.0000 3898 02:43:37,359 --> 02:43:41,280 mil for the downtown improvement 3899 02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:44,960 authority. providing that the resulting 3900 02:43:41,280 --> 02:43:47,920 aggregate millage rate of 4.4267 3901 02:43:44,960 --> 02:43:50,720 mills exceeds the aggregate rolled back 3902 02:43:47,920 --> 02:43:53,760 rate of 4.2782 3903 02:43:50,720 --> 02:43:56,640 mills by 3.47% 3904 02:43:53,760 --> 02:43:58,319 and providing an an effective date. The 3905 02:43:56,640 --> 02:44:01,439 city commission will also consider 3906 02:43:58,319 --> 02:44:03,520 resolution number 26R-32, 3907 02:44:01,439 --> 02:44:04,960 a resolution adopting the operating and 3908 02:44:03,520 --> 02:44:07,279 capital budgets for the city of 3909 02:44:04,960 --> 02:44:09,279 Tallahassee and the operating budget for 3910 02:44:07,279 --> 02:44:11,439 the downtown improvement authority for 3911 02:44:09,279 --> 02:44:15,600 the fiscal year beginning October 1, 3912 02:44:11,439 --> 02:44:17,600 2026 and ending September 30, 2027, 3913 02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:19,920 designating the sources of revenue and 3914 02:44:17,600 --> 02:44:23,200 set appropriations and providing an 3915 02:44:19,920 --> 02:44:25,279 effective date. 3916 02:44:23,200 --> 02:44:27,040 The next steps are to allow public input 3917 02:44:25,279 --> 02:44:29,359 on the city's proposed millillage and 3918 02:44:27,040 --> 02:44:30,960 the city's proposed budget. If anyone 3919 02:44:29,359 --> 02:44:32,720 has signed up to give public comment, 3920 02:44:30,960 --> 02:44:34,720 they can speak on either the proposed 3921 02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:36,960 millillage or the proposed budget for 3922 02:44:34,720 --> 02:44:40,720 the city at this time. In compliance 3923 02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:42,399 with Florida statute section 2200.065, 3924 02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:44,560 the date of this hearing was included in 3925 02:44:42,399 --> 02:44:46,720 the trim notice which was mailed to all 3926 02:44:44,560 --> 02:44:48,800 property owners in August by the Leyon 3927 02:44:46,720 --> 02:44:50,399 County Property Appraiser to advertise 3928 02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:52,240 this hearing. 3929 02:44:50,399 --> 02:44:54,160 » Mr. Clerk, do we have any public input 3930 02:44:52,240 --> 02:44:55,760 on the city's proposed millillage of 3931 02:44:54,160 --> 02:44:57,359 4.4072 3932 02:44:55,760 --> 02:45:00,319 in proposed budget? 3933 02:44:57,359 --> 02:45:01,680 » Mayor, we have two speakers on 16001. 3934 02:45:00,319 --> 02:45:03,200 Um, I think we should go ahead and call 3935 02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:05,200 them now. They may comment on the budget 3936 02:45:03,200 --> 02:45:07,760 as well as the millillage, but those two 3937 02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:09,359 are Douglas Han and Brandon McIntyre. 3938 02:45:07,760 --> 02:45:11,920 » Excellent. 3939 02:45:09,359 --> 02:45:15,200 Your name and address for the record. 3940 02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:18,399 You have three minutes. 3941 02:45:15,200 --> 02:45:20,240 » My name is Douglas Han. I live at 2072 3942 02:45:18,399 --> 02:45:22,800 Florida Avenue here in Tallahassee. I've 3943 02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:24,479 been a citizen here for nine years. 3944 02:45:22,800 --> 02:45:26,720 Leaving commissioner members, gun 3945 02:45:24,479 --> 02:45:28,800 violence in Tallahassee and Lean County 3946 02:45:26,720 --> 02:45:31,840 not only has a human cost, but it has an 3947 02:45:28,800 --> 02:45:34,160 economic cost. Gun violence in the first 3948 02:45:31,840 --> 02:45:36,479 nine months of this year is trending 3949 02:45:34,160 --> 02:45:38,880 downwards, notably with only one death 3950 02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:40,560 since early June. Although gun injuries 3951 02:45:38,880 --> 02:45:43,279 and shootings are at a more modest 3952 02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:45,359 decline, a good trend, but remember, we 3953 02:45:43,279 --> 02:45:47,200 are looking at small numbers. They do 3954 02:45:45,359 --> 02:45:50,200 seem to be in line with prepandemic 3955 02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:50,200 numbers. 3956 02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:55,279 Based on algorithms for Florida from the 3957 02:45:53,439 --> 02:45:58,080 Pacific Institute for Research and 3958 02:45:55,279 --> 02:46:01,120 Evaluation, gun violence to date this 3959 02:45:58,080 --> 02:46:04,800 year has cost our community, families, 3960 02:46:01,120 --> 02:46:07,800 businesses, and governments nearly $190 3961 02:46:04,800 --> 02:46:07,800 million. 3962 02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:13,840 Of that, almost $9.5 million from 3963 02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:16,880 taxpayers. This includes six and a half 3964 02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:21,920 millions for the criminal justice system 3965 02:46:16,880 --> 02:46:24,720 and $2 million for police. 3966 02:46:21,920 --> 02:46:27,359 What does this cost not include? 3967 02:46:24,720 --> 02:46:29,680 Seven of 10 deaths by gun violence has 3968 02:46:27,359 --> 02:46:31,359 been by suicide. That is not included in 3969 02:46:29,680 --> 02:46:33,520 these figures. 3970 02:46:31,359 --> 02:46:34,960 Shootings without death or injuries, 3971 02:46:33,520 --> 02:46:37,520 like the shooting at the mall this 3972 02:46:34,960 --> 02:46:39,680 weekend, involved the police and the 3973 02:46:37,520 --> 02:46:42,880 courts. Those costs are not included in 3974 02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:45,760 these figures. A 15-year-old is to be 3975 02:46:42,880 --> 02:46:48,240 tried as an adult and this could easily 3976 02:46:45,760 --> 02:46:52,720 have been a another mass shooting in 3977 02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:57,040 Tallahassee who was young persons with 3978 02:46:52,720 --> 02:47:00,160 no impulse control in a crowded mall. 3979 02:46:57,040 --> 02:47:03,040 The cost of protecting you commissioners 3980 02:47:00,160 --> 02:47:05,920 with metal detectors and guards 3981 02:47:03,040 --> 02:47:09,279 downstairs protects you, but it's not in 3982 02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:11,760 the cost. When you go home tonight, you 3983 02:47:09,279 --> 02:47:15,439 may stop at Publix, pick up a gallon of 3984 02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:17,840 milk, you will not be protected. 3985 02:47:15,439 --> 02:47:21,600 Uh, when your children return a book to 3986 02:47:17,840 --> 02:47:24,160 the library, you will not be protected. 3987 02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:27,920 When your wife or your husband goes to 3988 02:47:24,160 --> 02:47:30,960 vote in elections in November, they will 3989 02:47:27,920 --> 02:47:33,920 not be protected. 3990 02:47:30,960 --> 02:47:36,880 The community based violence 3991 02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:39,040 intervention and prevention funds that 3992 02:47:36,880 --> 02:47:40,319 we've had for the last five years have 3993 02:47:39,040 --> 02:47:44,880 been eliminated by the Trump 3994 02:47:40,319 --> 02:47:46,880 administration in April. We had almost 3995 02:47:44,880 --> 02:47:49,840 150 3996 02:47:46,880 --> 02:47:51,760 one mill one.5 million 3997 02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:52,880 uh grants from the federal government 3998 02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:54,960 over five years. 3999 02:47:52,880 --> 02:47:56,800 » You're at 30 seconds remaining. 4000 02:47:54,960 --> 02:47:58,800 » Please, 4001 02:47:56,800 --> 02:48:00,560 this was for local law enforcement. This 4002 02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:03,680 is for the council for the status of men 4003 02:48:00,560 --> 02:48:08,160 and boys and for the FSU studies. Go to 4004 02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:11,680 the FSU department of uh criminal 4005 02:48:08,160 --> 02:48:14,479 criminology and ask them what we can do. 4006 02:48:11,680 --> 02:48:16,399 They have some answers. Thank you. 4007 02:48:14,479 --> 02:48:20,439 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 4008 02:48:16,399 --> 02:48:20,439 » Next speaker is Brandon McIntyre. 4009 02:48:22,836 --> 02:48:24,855 [clears throat] 4010 02:48:24,880 --> 02:48:29,200 » Your name and address for the record, 4011 02:48:26,319 --> 02:48:30,800 please. PO Box 511 Sneeze, Florida. My 4012 02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:33,680 name is Brandon McIntyre and I'm a civil 4013 02:48:30,800 --> 02:48:36,319 right advocate. Um, also a candidate for 4014 02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:37,760 governor for Florida for 2028. Also a 4015 02:48:36,319 --> 02:48:39,120 presidential candidate as well. So 4016 02:48:37,760 --> 02:48:41,439 listen, I'm here to talk about property 4017 02:48:39,120 --> 02:48:43,040 taxes today, guys. Um, good evening, 4018 02:48:41,439 --> 02:48:44,720 council. My name is Brandon McIntyre, a 4019 02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:46,640 citizen and a candidate for governor. 4020 02:48:44,720 --> 02:48:48,560 I'm here tonight to put this on the 4021 02:48:46,640 --> 02:48:49,920 record for the record for Ronda Santz. 4022 02:48:48,560 --> 02:48:51,359 Nobody wants to talk to Let's Go 4023 02:48:49,920 --> 02:48:52,640 Brandon, but guess what? I'm here today 4024 02:48:51,359 --> 02:48:54,319 to talk to you guys. All right. All 4025 02:48:52,640 --> 02:48:56,960 right. The proposal to abolish property 4026 02:48:54,319 --> 02:48:59,200 taxes is unconstitutional, deceptive, 4027 02:48:56,960 --> 02:49:00,479 and voids both the Florida's 4028 02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:02,800 Constitution and United States 4029 02:49:00,479 --> 02:49:04,479 Constitution. Article 7, Section 9 of 4030 02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:07,279 the Florida Constitution requires local 4031 02:49:04,479 --> 02:49:09,279 government to lever property taxes, but 4032 02:49:07,279 --> 02:49:11,279 funds counties, municipalities, and 4033 02:49:09,279 --> 02:49:13,520 schools. Abolishing them without the 4034 02:49:11,279 --> 02:49:15,040 constitutional amendment is unlawful. 4035 02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:17,359 Under the United States Constitution, 4036 02:49:15,040 --> 02:49:19,520 article 1, section 10, the contract 4037 02:49:17,359 --> 02:49:21,840 clause, abolishing property taxes will 4038 02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:23,920 impair and the contract of local 4039 02:49:21,840 --> 02:49:26,080 government that rely on the revenue. And 4040 02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:28,800 the 14th amendment, the equal protection 4041 02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:31,359 clause makes it unconstitutional to 4042 02:49:28,800 --> 02:49:33,760 shift a burden onto working families 4043 02:49:31,359 --> 02:49:36,080 throughout uh regressive taxes. The 4044 02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:38,240 Supreme Court has already ruled this as 4045 02:49:36,080 --> 02:49:39,840 already with Marberry versus Madison 4046 02:49:38,240 --> 02:49:42,000 that any law repudent to the 4047 02:49:39,840 --> 02:49:44,560 Constitution is void. Asking citizens to 4048 02:49:42,000 --> 02:49:47,840 vote on something that is already void 4049 02:49:44,560 --> 02:49:49,760 is a direct violation of public trust. 4050 02:49:47,840 --> 02:49:52,160 Okay. I am submitting this notice for 4051 02:49:49,760 --> 02:49:53,920 the record on the record so it can 4052 02:49:52,160 --> 02:49:56,240 continue to be ignored. So it cannot 4053 02:49:53,920 --> 02:49:58,720 continue to be ignored. You as a public 4054 02:49:56,240 --> 02:50:00,800 officials are now on notice that this 4055 02:49:58,720 --> 02:50:03,040 measure is unconstitutional. the people 4056 02:50:00,800 --> 02:50:05,520 of Florida will not be deceived and we 4057 02:50:03,040 --> 02:50:09,279 will not tolerate leaders who breaks the 4058 02:50:05,520 --> 02:50:11,439 law and to uphold it as a constitutional 4059 02:50:09,279 --> 02:50:14,160 oath. So I'm here to submit this 4060 02:50:11,439 --> 02:50:16,160 constitutional notice for the record. I 4061 02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:18,240 came here once upon a time a while back 4062 02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:20,240 and submitted some constitutional notice 4063 02:50:18,240 --> 02:50:22,319 as well and that also pertained about 4064 02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:23,760 our flock cameras. That's go Brandon 4065 02:50:22,319 --> 02:50:25,680 actually brought notice about the flock 4066 02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:28,319 cameras tried to serve our governor 4067 02:50:25,680 --> 02:50:30,080 Ronda Santz constitutional notice. No 4068 02:50:28,319 --> 02:50:32,080 one wanted to listen. But now we here 4069 02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:33,840 today stand in front of you. My 4070 02:50:32,080 --> 02:50:37,240 administration would not be ignored. I'm 4071 02:50:33,840 --> 02:50:37,240 Let's go Brandon. 4072 02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:47,439 A relief for our Flidians and we deserve 4073 02:50:43,600 --> 02:50:49,600 a relief, but property taxes is not it. 4074 02:50:47,439 --> 02:50:51,920 Who's going to fund our schools? Who's 4075 02:50:49,600 --> 02:50:53,359 going to fund the potholes in our roads? 4076 02:50:51,920 --> 02:50:56,319 Who's going to do take care of our 4077 02:50:53,359 --> 02:50:57,760 police officers? Public safety? who's 4078 02:50:56,319 --> 02:50:59,680 going to pay their their salaries and 4079 02:50:57,760 --> 02:51:03,120 their wages if we get rid of uh property 4080 02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:06,319 taxes. See, it's hidden agendas in this 4081 02:51:03,120 --> 02:51:07,279 whole motive even with the $250,000. 4082 02:51:06,319 --> 02:51:09,040 Uh 4083 02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:10,399 » You're at 30 seconds remaining. I 4084 02:51:09,040 --> 02:51:11,920 accidentally reset the clock, but you're 4085 02:51:10,399 --> 02:51:13,600 at two and a half minutes. 4086 02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:17,560 » I love you, brother. Have a have a very 4087 02:51:13,600 --> 02:51:17,560 blessed day. Thank you. 4088 02:51:18,080 --> 02:51:20,240 » Our next speaker, 4089 02:51:18,880 --> 02:51:20,640 » I don't have any other speakers on this 4090 02:51:20,240 --> 02:51:21,920 item. 4091 02:51:20,640 --> 02:51:24,000 » All right. At this time, I will close 4092 02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:25,680 the public input on city's proposed mill 4093 02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:27,040 and proposed budget. Madam Attorney, 4094 02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:29,040 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The next steps are 4095 02:51:27,040 --> 02:51:30,640 to allow public input and commission 4096 02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:34,240 discussion on the Downtown Improvement 4097 02:51:30,640 --> 02:51:36,080 Authorities's proposed millage of 1.0000 4098 02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:38,240 mill and the downtown improvement 4099 02:51:36,080 --> 02:51:40,000 authorities proposed budget. If anyone 4100 02:51:38,240 --> 02:51:42,080 has signed up to give public comment, 4101 02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:44,800 they can speak on either the DIA's 4102 02:51:42,080 --> 02:51:46,160 proposed millage or the proposed budget 4103 02:51:44,800 --> 02:51:48,080 for the downtown improvement authority 4104 02:51:46,160 --> 02:51:51,120 at this time. In compliance with Florida 4105 02:51:48,080 --> 02:51:52,880 statute section 200.065, 065. The date 4106 02:51:51,120 --> 02:51:54,399 of this hearing was also included in the 4107 02:51:52,880 --> 02:51:56,640 trim notice which was mailed to all 4108 02:51:54,399 --> 02:51:58,399 property owners in August by the Lyon 4109 02:51:56,640 --> 02:52:00,399 County Property Appraiser to advertise 4110 02:51:58,399 --> 02:52:02,560 this hearing. 4111 02:52:00,399 --> 02:52:04,560 » Okay. At this time, Mr. Clerk, do we 4112 02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:06,479 have any public input on the downtown 4113 02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:09,680 improvement authorities DIA proposed 4114 02:52:06,479 --> 02:52:11,439 millage of 1.00? 4115 02:52:09,680 --> 02:52:12,960 » No, sir. 4116 02:52:11,439 --> 02:52:18,359 » Anyone here that would like to speak on 4117 02:52:12,960 --> 02:52:18,359 the DIA's proposed millage rate of 1.00? 4118 02:52:18,800 --> 02:52:21,600 Seeing none, I will close the public 4119 02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:23,200 input on the downtown improvement 4120 02:52:21,600 --> 02:52:25,840 authorities proposed millillage and 4121 02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:27,520 proposed budget commissioners. It is 4122 02:52:25,840 --> 02:52:32,439 time for discussion on the city's 4123 02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:32,439 proposed mill and proposed budget. 4124 02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:38,319 » Go ahead. Yeah, Mayor Pro Tim. 4125 02:52:37,520 --> 02:52:41,920 » Oh, thank sorry. 4126 02:52:38,319 --> 02:52:42,880 » I would move staff recommendation option 4127 02:52:41,920 --> 02:52:44,399 number one. 4128 02:52:42,880 --> 02:52:46,160 » Okay. Option number one has been 4129 02:52:44,399 --> 02:52:47,439 properly moved by the mayor pro Tim. Is 4130 02:52:46,160 --> 02:52:47,760 there a second to the motion on the 4131 02:52:47,439 --> 02:52:49,279 table? 4132 02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:50,800 » Second. Seconded by Commissioner 4133 02:52:49,279 --> 02:52:52,960 Williams Cox. Commissioner Porter, 4134 02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:54,800 you're recognized for discussion. 4135 02:52:52,960 --> 02:52:55,520 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a couple of 4136 02:52:54,800 --> 02:52:58,520 questions. 4137 02:52:55,520 --> 02:52:58,520 » Sure. 4138 02:52:58,560 --> 02:53:03,000 » To you, Mr. Mc Yeah. Thank you. 4139 02:53:03,840 --> 02:53:08,399 » Um, 4140 02:53:06,720 --> 02:53:11,200 and thank you for all your work and and 4141 02:53:08,399 --> 02:53:14,000 your staff's work on this budget. So, as 4142 02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:16,080 we've discussed at previous meetings, we 4143 02:53:14,000 --> 02:53:18,000 know that the federal government has 4144 02:53:16,080 --> 02:53:19,920 provided notice to the city that over a 4145 02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:21,439 million dollars in grant funds must be 4146 02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:23,520 reimbursed 4147 02:53:21,439 --> 02:53:26,160 um related to the HUD the lead abatement 4148 02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:28,319 grant. Is this something that we have 4149 02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:30,800 budgeted for 4150 02:53:28,319 --> 02:53:32,240 or not? How do how do we handle that in 4151 02:53:30,800 --> 02:53:33,279 in the budget? 4152 02:53:32,240 --> 02:53:34,000 » Uh 4153 02:53:33,279 --> 02:53:36,240 » Since [clears throat] I know that we're 4154 02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:37,359 appealing, you know, how do we manage 4155 02:53:36,240 --> 02:53:40,800 that? 4156 02:53:37,359 --> 02:53:42,399 » Yes. uh we uh when we budget we we we 4157 02:53:40,800 --> 02:53:45,120 want some certainty in what we're 4158 02:53:42,399 --> 02:53:47,040 budgeting because uh we are so 4159 02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:48,800 constrained in what funding that we 4160 02:53:47,040 --> 02:53:51,359 have. We don't want to be in a position 4161 02:53:48,800 --> 02:53:54,000 of setting aside monies that that uh 4162 02:53:51,359 --> 02:53:57,920 when when we go through a process that's 4163 02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:59,680 that's that we can accomplish and and be 4164 02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:02,319 successful in that we have that money 4165 02:53:59,680 --> 02:54:05,680 tied up. So that is not reflected in the 4166 02:54:02,319 --> 02:54:08,000 budget at this time. But um whenever new 4167 02:54:05,680 --> 02:54:09,359 priorities come along uh we work with 4168 02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:11,200 the departments to make sure that we 4169 02:54:09,359 --> 02:54:13,840 then we can accomplish those priorities. 4170 02:54:11,200 --> 02:54:15,200 So we're we're we'll be fine with 4171 02:54:13,840 --> 02:54:17,279 » Okay. So it's not currently in the 4172 02:54:15,200 --> 02:54:18,960 budget but we are 4173 02:54:17,279 --> 02:54:19,439 » Planning for it. 4174 02:54:18,960 --> 02:54:21,600 » Okay. 4175 02:54:19,439 --> 02:54:23,920 » Again we we want to we want to better 4176 02:54:21,600 --> 02:54:25,040 understand the outcome before we we take 4177 02:54:23,920 --> 02:54:28,240 action. 4178 02:54:25,040 --> 02:54:31,520 » Okay. Thank you. 4179 02:54:28,240 --> 02:54:33,600 the city made the decision to 4180 02:54:31,520 --> 02:54:37,040 terminate or or not renew our fire 4181 02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:40,399 services agreement with the county. Is 4182 02:54:37,040 --> 02:54:42,800 where would I see the financial 4183 02:54:40,399 --> 02:54:45,279 implications of that in our capital 4184 02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:48,399 plan? 4185 02:54:45,279 --> 02:54:51,920 » Um so the um the the interlocal 4186 02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:54,880 agreement expires uh September 30th of 4187 02:54:51,920 --> 02:54:58,319 2028. Uh as we've worked through this 4188 02:54:54,880 --> 02:55:01,120 pro process, we've identified 26 new 4189 02:54:58,319 --> 02:55:04,479 positions that were focusing on uh the 4190 02:55:01,120 --> 02:55:08,000 busiest stations uh in the department. U 4191 02:55:04,479 --> 02:55:10,960 those eventually then uh with the 4192 02:55:08,000 --> 02:55:14,399 expiration will be focused on city 4193 02:55:10,960 --> 02:55:16,960 facilities. Um as we experience th the 4194 02:55:14,399 --> 02:55:19,279 the placement of those positions, then 4195 02:55:16,960 --> 02:55:21,680 we're also evaluating uh what resources 4196 02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:24,560 are needed from a a station perspective. 4197 02:55:21,680 --> 02:55:27,439 what resources are needed from a um from 4198 02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:30,240 a vehicle perspective. Um you know the 4199 02:55:27,439 --> 02:55:32,399 the focus of those positions was to 4200 02:55:30,240 --> 02:55:35,760 increase safety in the fire department 4201 02:55:32,399 --> 02:55:38,399 uh reduce response times and as you all 4202 02:55:35,760 --> 02:55:41,279 know eventually accomplish an ISO 4203 02:55:38,399 --> 02:55:43,359 improvement. Um uh you'll also recall 4204 02:55:41,279 --> 02:55:47,040 that when the rates were implemented in 4205 02:55:43,359 --> 02:55:48,960 fiscal year 26 uh we participated the 4206 02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:51,680 city city of Tallahassee residents 4207 02:55:48,960 --> 02:55:53,600 participated in that rate increase. Um 4208 02:55:51,680 --> 02:55:56,560 uh we know that as we approach fiscal 4209 02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:58,080 year 27 that will be a balanced budget. 4210 02:55:56,560 --> 02:56:01,439 You would see that in the 5-year 4211 02:55:58,080 --> 02:56:03,359 proforma where uh we are using the last 4212 02:56:01,439 --> 02:56:06,319 of our reserves to balance that fiscal 4213 02:56:03,359 --> 02:56:08,960 year 27 budget. Uh as we enter fiscal 4214 02:56:06,319 --> 02:56:11,600 year 28 and the adoption of that budget. 4215 02:56:08,960 --> 02:56:13,760 uh we'll bring to you at the strategic 4216 02:56:11,600 --> 02:56:15,760 planning meeting at workshops our 4217 02:56:13,760 --> 02:56:18,319 recommendation on how to close any gap 4218 02:56:15,760 --> 02:56:19,920 that's there and then also how to how to 4219 02:56:18,319 --> 02:56:21,120 close out that expiration of that 4220 02:56:19,920 --> 02:56:23,520 contract. 4221 02:56:21,120 --> 02:56:26,319 » Okay, thank you. 4222 02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:28,160 Um 4223 02:56:26,319 --> 02:56:30,080 I meant to actually ask this question. 4224 02:56:28,160 --> 02:56:33,760 This would probably not be a question 4225 02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:35,279 for you about the city manager contract. 4226 02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:37,680 Does 4227 02:56:35,279 --> 02:56:41,520 the $1,000 4228 02:56:37,680 --> 02:56:46,080 a month vehicle allowance is that in 4229 02:56:41,520 --> 02:56:47,920 addition to the the city purchasing a 4230 02:56:46,080 --> 02:56:50,560 car for the city manager, the incoming 4231 02:56:47,920 --> 02:56:53,359 city manager? Does anyone know? No. 4232 02:56:50,560 --> 02:56:55,200 Okay. And the reason for the question is 4233 02:56:53,359 --> 02:56:57,680 there was some reported about the cost 4234 02:56:55,200 --> 02:56:59,359 of vehicles provided to city officials. 4235 02:56:57,680 --> 02:57:00,000 Where is that in the budget? 4236 02:56:59,359 --> 02:57:00,960 » Uh that 4237 02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:02,399 » Where would I find that? 4238 02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:03,680 » That's contained in each of the 4239 02:57:02,399 --> 02:57:04,160 departments. each of the department's 4240 02:57:03,680 --> 02:57:07,920 budget. 4241 02:57:04,160 --> 02:57:10,640 » So when we uh I think uh two days ago we 4242 02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:13,439 when when we p within two days of 4243 02:57:10,640 --> 02:57:15,920 publishing the agenda, we uploaded into 4244 02:57:13,439 --> 02:57:18,160 our online uh budgetary system the 4245 02:57:15,920 --> 02:57:20,479 details of of this fiscal year 27 4246 02:57:18,160 --> 02:57:22,319 budget. Uh as we enter the adoption of 4247 02:57:20,479 --> 02:57:25,439 this, we'll do that again. And then by 4248 02:57:22,319 --> 02:57:28,080 January uh I'm sorry, by December uh 4249 02:57:25,439 --> 02:57:30,240 we're obligated by state statute but 4250 02:57:28,080 --> 02:57:32,160 also by JFOA standards to publish the 4251 02:57:30,240 --> 02:57:34,720 entirety of the budget. and and that's 4252 02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:38,160 the talggov.com site that you see. 4253 02:57:34,720 --> 02:57:40,560 » Okay. Okay. Thank you. 4254 02:57:38,160 --> 02:57:42,240 Um that's all the questions I have for 4255 02:57:40,560 --> 02:57:44,000 now. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 4256 02:57:42,240 --> 02:57:45,520 » Okay. There currently is a motion on the 4257 02:57:44,000 --> 02:57:47,920 table for the approval of the city's 4258 02:57:45,520 --> 02:57:49,920 millage rate of 4.4072 4259 02:57:47,920 --> 02:57:52,160 mills as stated in resolution number 4260 02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:54,160 26-R31, 4261 02:57:52,160 --> 02:57:56,080 attachment A. Recognizing that the 4262 02:57:54,160 --> 02:57:59,040 proposed aggregate millage rate is more 4263 02:57:56,080 --> 02:58:00,880 than the roll back rate of 4.2782 4264 02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:02,960 by 3.47%. 4265 02:58:00,880 --> 02:58:04,800 The motion was made by the vice mayor 4266 02:58:02,960 --> 02:58:06,800 Curtis Richardson, Mayor Pro Tim Curtis 4267 02:58:04,800 --> 02:58:08,880 Richardson, seconded by Commissioner 4268 02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:09,840 Diane Williams Cox for comment. 4269 02:58:08,880 --> 02:58:12,080 Commissioner Matlo. 4270 02:58:09,840 --> 02:58:14,560 » Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, Robert, I 4271 02:58:12,080 --> 02:58:17,359 have a few questions as well. 4272 02:58:14,560 --> 02:58:19,520 » Where where in the the budget is the 4273 02:58:17,359 --> 02:58:21,359 revenue received from the sale of the 4274 02:58:19,520 --> 02:58:23,760 hospital allocated? 4275 02:58:21,359 --> 02:58:24,640 » Um, it's it's represented in the in the 4276 02:58:23,760 --> 02:58:25,279 general fund. 4277 02:58:24,640 --> 02:58:27,840 » Okay. Yeah. 4278 02:58:25,279 --> 02:58:29,840 » So, in addition to the the tax increase, 4279 02:58:27,840 --> 02:58:31,840 there's also $3 million represented in 4280 02:58:29,840 --> 02:58:32,319 the general fund over what we had last 4281 02:58:31,840 --> 02:58:34,080 year. 4282 02:58:32,319 --> 02:58:36,560 » As you recall, when we began this 4283 02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:40,000 process, we were estimating a 8 to10 4284 02:58:36,560 --> 02:58:42,479 million budget. Um so, yes, that that is 4285 02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:44,960 part of what has enabled us to be at at 4286 02:58:42,479 --> 02:58:47,200 the point where where um we we can bring 4287 02:58:44,960 --> 02:58:49,279 a balanced budget to you. Um the 4288 02:58:47,200 --> 02:58:50,399 additional millage rate enables us to 4289 02:58:49,279 --> 02:58:52,560 provide a surplus. 4290 02:58:50,399 --> 02:58:55,120 » Okay. So the the hospital payments are 4291 02:58:52,560 --> 02:58:56,880 in excess of $3 million and what we're 4292 02:58:55,120 --> 02:58:58,960 putting into the deficiency fund I 4293 02:58:56,880 --> 02:59:02,000 believe is 2.5. So we're actually 4294 02:58:58,960 --> 02:59:03,600 spending $500,000 in excess of the 4295 02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:06,479 millage rate increase just to balance 4296 02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:10,960 the budget with the hospital payment. 4297 02:59:06,479 --> 02:59:12,960 » Um I that I I don't necessarily 4298 02:59:10,960 --> 02:59:16,240 it's not as easy as that inflow and that 4299 02:59:12,960 --> 02:59:18,880 outflow. Um there are uh you know the 4300 02:59:16,240 --> 02:59:22,160 increase in the millage rate um based on 4301 02:59:18,880 --> 02:59:26,640 where we were in in September uh in in 4302 02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:30,319 June um was an increase of $2.8 million. 4303 02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:32,479 Um and so we have identified then what 4304 02:59:30,319 --> 02:59:35,200 where we could trim the budget so that 4305 02:59:32,479 --> 02:59:36,000 we could use that as surplus for the for 4306 02:59:35,200 --> 02:59:37,760 the future. 4307 02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:39,760 » Sure. So we're using the hospital 4308 02:59:37,760 --> 02:59:41,520 revenues to shore up existing 4309 02:59:39,760 --> 02:59:44,319 expenditures in the budget. Uh we're 4310 02:59:41,520 --> 02:59:45,760 using the we're using that to balance 4311 02:59:44,319 --> 02:59:47,920 the general fund. Yes. It's part of the 4312 02:59:45,760 --> 02:59:50,000 revenue sources that we use. 4313 02:59:47,920 --> 02:59:53,600 » Okay. Um can you walk us through the the 4314 02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:55,760 buyout program? Uh my understanding was 4315 02:59:53,600 --> 02:59:56,800 170 some odd employees took it. Is that 4316 02:59:55,760 --> 02:59:58,080 correct? 4317 02:59:56,800 --> 02:59:59,840 » 171 took the program. 4318 02:59:58,080 --> 03:00:02,399 » 171 took the buyout program. Okay. And 4319 02:59:59,840 --> 03:00:05,439 that was meant to save 3 point or the 4320 03:00:02,399 --> 03:00:08,399 cost of that was $3.9 million. Um the 4321 03:00:05,439 --> 03:00:10,960 the initial cost was a savings of $14 4322 03:00:08,399 --> 03:00:14,080 million. As we applied it to the budget, 4323 03:00:10,960 --> 03:00:15,680 we we discussed that we that services 4324 03:00:14,080 --> 03:00:17,200 could not be impacted. That was your 4325 03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:19,840 direction that we were not reduced 4326 03:00:17,200 --> 03:00:21,600 services um or or take shortcuts on 4327 03:00:19,840 --> 03:00:24,640 services. And so we've gone through the 4328 03:00:21,600 --> 03:00:25,840 process of evaluating or the departments 4329 03:00:24,640 --> 03:00:27,920 have gone through the process of 4330 03:00:25,840 --> 03:00:30,399 evaluating where those positions need to 4331 03:00:27,920 --> 03:00:33,359 be replaced. As we entered the June 4332 03:00:30,399 --> 03:00:36,319 agenda item, I think we quoted a 8.45 4333 03:00:33,359 --> 03:00:38,720 four five million dollar number of what 4334 03:00:36,319 --> 03:00:41,680 we expected the the real savings to be 4335 03:00:38,720 --> 03:00:43,680 so that we wouldn't impact services. Uh 4336 03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:45,520 we are continuing the departments are 4337 03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:47,359 continuing to go undergo and it was 4338 03:00:45,520 --> 03:00:49,680 intended that they would undergo that 4339 03:00:47,359 --> 03:00:51,359 evaluation that management of how to 4340 03:00:49,680 --> 03:00:54,720 operate with those positions that have 4341 03:00:51,359 --> 03:00:57,200 left during all of fiscal year 27. So we 4342 03:00:54,720 --> 03:01:00,399 have represented a reduction in the 4343 03:00:57,200 --> 03:01:02,880 general fund of the $445 4344 03:01:00,399 --> 03:01:05,120 million that you mentioned. Um and 4345 03:01:02,880 --> 03:01:08,000 that's that also has created the surplus 4346 03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:09,680 that we're seeing in fiscal year 27 and 4347 03:01:08,000 --> 03:01:11,920 part of the recommendation of why then 4348 03:01:09,680 --> 03:01:14,399 taking that millage rate uh to to 4349 03:01:11,920 --> 03:01:16,800 balance the budget in fiscal year 28. 4350 03:01:14,399 --> 03:01:19,359 » And so what was the total cost paid out 4351 03:01:16,800 --> 03:01:21,760 to the employees that were bought out in 4352 03:01:19,359 --> 03:01:23,760 addition to any expenses of covering 4353 03:01:21,760 --> 03:01:28,080 health care for them as well? uh the the 4354 03:01:23,760 --> 03:01:31,439 the total expenses were uh $25,000 per 4355 03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:34,640 employee. Uh their salaries uh that they 4356 03:01:31,439 --> 03:01:37,520 would have earned in that period of time 4357 03:01:34,640 --> 03:01:39,359 uh offset that amount. Uh the same was 4358 03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:40,720 true for their health care. Uh their 4359 03:01:39,359 --> 03:01:43,760 health care would have been paid up 4360 03:01:40,720 --> 03:01:46,240 through October uh you know first week 4361 03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:48,399 of October based on how the fiscal years 4362 03:01:46,240 --> 03:01:52,080 closed out. And so that healthc care 4363 03:01:48,399 --> 03:01:53,840 coverage was was, you know, then matched 4364 03:01:52,080 --> 03:01:54,880 what what we would have paid out to 4365 03:01:53,840 --> 03:01:56,319 them. 4366 03:01:54,880 --> 03:01:57,920 » Okay. So you don't have a total dollar 4367 03:01:56,319 --> 03:01:58,720 amount that the buyout program cost us 4368 03:01:57,920 --> 03:02:00,479 including healthare. 4369 03:01:58,720 --> 03:02:01,760 » That was the $14 million that I 4370 03:02:00,479 --> 03:02:04,720 mentioned. 4371 03:02:01,760 --> 03:02:05,600 » 14 million is what it cost the city. 4372 03:02:04,720 --> 03:02:08,000 That's the question. 4373 03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:10,080 » No, the the the buyout per employee. 4374 03:02:08,000 --> 03:02:10,960 Yes. the total the total cost of the 4375 03:02:10,080 --> 03:02:12,560 buyout plus the health 4376 03:02:10,960 --> 03:02:14,880 » The cost was neutral because we would 4377 03:02:12,560 --> 03:02:17,279 have paid those employees over the last 4378 03:02:14,880 --> 03:02:19,920 6 to 12 weeks of their employment which 4379 03:02:17,279 --> 03:02:21,920 matched the $25,000 payment that we gave 4380 03:02:19,920 --> 03:02:23,359 them and the healthcare coverage that we 4381 03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:26,160 that we that we covered. 4382 03:02:23,359 --> 03:02:28,080 » Okay, then let's start there. Um so I 4383 03:02:26,160 --> 03:02:30,240 know some of the buyout positions 4384 03:02:28,080 --> 03:02:32,399 probably had to be filled immediately. 4385 03:02:30,240 --> 03:02:35,120 We look at the entire command staff of 4386 03:02:32,399 --> 03:02:37,359 TPD. I assume those had to be filled 4387 03:02:35,120 --> 03:02:40,240 immediately. So we want to rely savings 4388 03:02:37,359 --> 03:02:44,080 on those individual uh positions. So out 4389 03:02:40,240 --> 03:02:45,840 of the total 171 positions, how many 4390 03:02:44,080 --> 03:02:47,760 remain vacant? 4391 03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:50,399 » Uh I don't have that number because it's 4392 03:02:47,760 --> 03:02:52,960 a number that's still in in flux and 4393 03:02:50,399 --> 03:02:54,960 still a number that's changing. As we 4394 03:02:52,960 --> 03:02:56,720 identified the budget, we made certain 4395 03:02:54,960 --> 03:02:59,439 assumptions of what we would represent 4396 03:02:56,720 --> 03:03:01,520 in the general fund as a reduction in 4397 03:02:59,439 --> 03:03:03,680 personnel services and and that's what 4398 03:03:01,520 --> 03:03:07,600 you see in that budget. Uh that that 4399 03:03:03,680 --> 03:03:10,399 that 4.4 45 million. That's less in 4400 03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:12,640 personnel services. As far as positions, 4401 03:03:10,399 --> 03:03:14,960 we have not. There's a personnel 4402 03:03:12,640 --> 03:03:17,840 services schedule that shows the changes 4403 03:03:14,960 --> 03:03:19,920 over time. We haven't fixed that at a at 4404 03:03:17,840 --> 03:03:22,319 a absolute point in time. And so, we'll 4405 03:03:19,920 --> 03:03:24,080 do that during fiscal year 27. And that 4406 03:03:22,319 --> 03:03:26,240 was the intention as we proposed this 4407 03:03:24,080 --> 03:03:28,640 program is we wanted to work through 4408 03:03:26,240 --> 03:03:29,680 that process during the upcoming fiscal 4409 03:03:28,640 --> 03:03:31,840 year. 4410 03:03:29,680 --> 03:03:34,479 » So, of the vacant positions, are they 4411 03:03:31,840 --> 03:03:36,960 funded in this budget? um the general 4412 03:03:34,479 --> 03:03:39,200 fund positions are not and so we would 4413 03:03:36,960 --> 03:03:41,200 have to work uh with those. And again, 4414 03:03:39,200 --> 03:03:44,240 let me let me go back. The original 4415 03:03:41,200 --> 03:03:45,920 buyout was 14 million. We assumed 8 4416 03:03:44,240 --> 03:03:50,000 million accounting for some being 4417 03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:51,439 rehired. Um and then um as we filled 4418 03:03:50,000 --> 03:03:53,680 them, then we we're working with 4419 03:03:51,439 --> 03:03:56,080 departments to make sure that we uh uh 4420 03:03:53,680 --> 03:03:57,279 can can accommodate those budgetary 4421 03:03:56,080 --> 03:03:58,960 requests. 4422 03:03:57,279 --> 03:04:01,680 » So, how many of the positions have been 4423 03:03:58,960 --> 03:04:04,720 refilled since the buyout? I'd have to 4424 03:04:01,680 --> 03:04:07,680 turn to our HR director. I'm I'm aware 4425 03:04:04,720 --> 03:04:10,000 of uh a double handful that were 4426 03:04:07,680 --> 03:04:12,240 immediately filled. Uh 4427 03:04:10,000 --> 03:04:14,399 » Can we provide that in please? Uh Mr. 4428 03:04:12,240 --> 03:04:17,840 Manager. 4429 03:04:14,399 --> 03:04:19,600 » Don, you want to come join us? 4430 03:04:17,840 --> 03:04:22,160 » Those requests are are coming through 4431 03:04:19,600 --> 03:04:24,560 HR. They're working with the departments 4432 03:04:22,160 --> 03:04:26,319 and um we are getting the results but 4433 03:04:24,560 --> 03:04:29,279 have not reflected the position changes 4434 03:04:26,319 --> 03:04:30,960 in the budget. 4435 03:04:29,279 --> 03:04:33,600 Commissioner, at this time as Robert 4436 03:04:30,960 --> 03:04:35,439 said, the number is fluctuating, but um 4437 03:04:33,600 --> 03:04:37,760 as we fill positions, we fill them at a 4438 03:04:35,439 --> 03:04:39,520 lower rate. Um and we also reorgan 4439 03:04:37,760 --> 03:04:41,200 organize the departments that they don't 4440 03:04:39,520 --> 03:04:42,880 fill the same amount of positions that 4441 03:04:41,200 --> 03:04:45,600 left. So we don't have a number at this 4442 03:04:42,880 --> 03:04:48,399 time that is a permanent number for you. 4443 03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:50,000 » We don't know the number of positions 4444 03:04:48,399 --> 03:04:50,960 that were made vacant that have now been 4445 03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:52,399 filled. 4446 03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:54,240 » I don't have that number at right at 4447 03:04:52,399 --> 03:04:57,200 this time. Um, I can get you the number 4448 03:04:54,240 --> 03:04:58,880 of how many have been vacated and how 4449 03:04:57,200 --> 03:04:59,760 many how many we have filled at this 4450 03:04:58,880 --> 03:05:01,359 time. 4451 03:04:59,760 --> 03:05:03,040 » Okay. Can we get that information at 4452 03:05:01,359 --> 03:05:03,760 this budget hearing? 4453 03:05:03,040 --> 03:05:07,920 » Okay. 4454 03:05:03,760 --> 03:05:11,040 » Yeah, we'll we'll come with a a inflow 4455 03:05:07,920 --> 03:05:13,920 number and and as a HR director said 4456 03:05:11,040 --> 03:05:16,240 those numbers change a department will 4457 03:05:13,920 --> 03:05:18,240 come to HR and say we want to refill 4458 03:05:16,240 --> 03:05:19,760 this critical position and they'll talk 4459 03:05:18,240 --> 03:05:21,439 through the process of is there another 4460 03:05:19,760 --> 03:05:23,279 position that can be used to fill that 4461 03:05:21,439 --> 03:05:24,479 at a lower rate. Right. And and that's 4462 03:05:23,279 --> 03:05:25,680 the question, how many have been 4463 03:05:24,479 --> 03:05:26,399 refilled, whether they're at a lower 4464 03:05:25,680 --> 03:05:28,240 rate or not? 4465 03:05:26,399 --> 03:05:30,960 » Yeah, I I know there's a double handful 4466 03:05:28,240 --> 03:05:32,560 based on the first month of of the of 4467 03:05:30,960 --> 03:05:34,160 the requests that have come from the 4468 03:05:32,560 --> 03:05:34,720 from the few departments that I'm aware 4469 03:05:34,160 --> 03:05:36,240 of. 4470 03:05:34,720 --> 03:05:37,600 » Can you understand how it's difficult to 4471 03:05:36,240 --> 03:05:39,439 understand if this buyout makes 4472 03:05:37,600 --> 03:05:40,800 financial sense if we can't really 4473 03:05:39,439 --> 03:05:42,479 understand the realized savings and 4474 03:05:40,800 --> 03:05:45,840 positions that have been backfilled? 4475 03:05:42,479 --> 03:05:47,840 Yeah, there I I will say this was an 4476 03:05:45,840 --> 03:05:51,520 initial action and effort to get ahead 4477 03:05:47,840 --> 03:05:54,560 of the of of where we may be in cutting 4478 03:05:51,520 --> 03:05:56,880 programs and people. Um I'm confident 4479 03:05:54,560 --> 03:05:59,040 that as we go through this process and 4480 03:05:56,880 --> 03:06:01,840 we also get the feedback in November of 4481 03:05:59,040 --> 03:06:03,359 what really will happen, we'll we'll 4482 03:06:01,840 --> 03:06:04,960 work towards an absolute number. 4483 03:06:03,359 --> 03:06:05,520 » Robert, let me jump in real quick. Mr. 4484 03:06:04,960 --> 03:06:08,800 Manager, 4485 03:06:05,520 --> 03:06:11,600 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Robert, um I I 4486 03:06:08,800 --> 03:06:14,080 think it it probably should be said so 4487 03:06:11,600 --> 03:06:16,880 you're in the process of approving a 4488 03:06:14,080 --> 03:06:20,479 budget. That budget then cascades down 4489 03:06:16,880 --> 03:06:24,800 into the variety of departments. Robert 4490 03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:26,720 and his team, the directors, HR, u the 4491 03:06:24,800 --> 03:06:29,439 vast majority of the positions that were 4492 03:06:26,720 --> 03:06:31,840 vacated have not been filled and they've 4493 03:06:29,439 --> 03:06:33,920 been zeroed out for budget purpose. They 4494 03:06:31,840 --> 03:06:36,240 have not eliminated the FTE yet. That's 4495 03:06:33,920 --> 03:06:38,000 what Robert's talking about. 4496 03:06:36,240 --> 03:06:41,520 But the departments will not have the 4497 03:06:38,000 --> 03:06:42,960 budget for those positions if they and 4498 03:06:41,520 --> 03:06:44,880 they're we're going through that process 4499 03:06:42,960 --> 03:06:47,520 of saying [clears throat] which ones are 4500 03:06:44,880 --> 03:06:50,720 absolutely necessary. If we're pretty 4501 03:06:47,520 --> 03:06:52,640 much at that point, we know that um 4502 03:06:50,720 --> 03:06:54,560 where we need to be. And so if the 4503 03:06:52,640 --> 03:06:55,920 budget is not available to the 4504 03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:58,240 department, they won't be able to hire 4505 03:06:55,920 --> 03:07:00,080 those positions. It won't be that they 4506 03:06:58,240 --> 03:07:02,160 just continue to hire and overspend. It 4507 03:07:00,080 --> 03:07:04,319 can't work that way. So that's what 4508 03:07:02,160 --> 03:07:05,760 you're really firming up. Um, 4509 03:07:04,319 --> 03:07:07,520 Commissioner, you mentioned the police 4510 03:07:05,760 --> 03:07:10,080 department. 4511 03:07:07,520 --> 03:07:12,240 That's maybe arguably the most critical 4512 03:07:10,080 --> 03:07:15,520 department to make sure you have full 4513 03:07:12,240 --> 03:07:19,359 staffing. Even with those positions that 4514 03:07:15,520 --> 03:07:22,240 we move to immediately refill, it still 4515 03:07:19,359 --> 03:07:23,680 resulted in a net vacancy in the 4516 03:07:22,240 --> 03:07:26,080 department because that's one of the 4517 03:07:23,680 --> 03:07:29,120 unique departments that hires almost 4518 03:07:26,080 --> 03:07:31,520 exclusively from within. So, a promotion 4519 03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:33,600 results in a vacancy as it cascades. And 4520 03:07:31,520 --> 03:07:37,040 so there are net vacancies that now 4521 03:07:33,600 --> 03:07:40,640 exist in the police department. And so 4522 03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:42,800 the the positions as Robert's describing 4523 03:07:40,640 --> 03:07:45,520 are somewhat fluid, but the budget is 4524 03:07:42,800 --> 03:07:47,439 not. The budget will be absolute and the 4525 03:07:45,520 --> 03:07:50,479 positions that haven't been filled have 4526 03:07:47,439 --> 03:07:52,880 been zeroed. So the budget will control 4527 03:07:50,479 --> 03:07:55,840 and constrain what positions are 4528 03:07:52,880 --> 03:07:58,160 available to uh the departments. And so 4529 03:07:55,840 --> 03:08:00,399 that's that's why you're getting the 4530 03:07:58,160 --> 03:08:02,560 answers that you're getting. We've not 4531 03:08:00,399 --> 03:08:05,120 taken an absolute hard approach. It 4532 03:08:02,560 --> 03:08:08,160 never was a program that said any 4533 03:08:05,120 --> 03:08:09,760 position vacated will be deleted 4534 03:08:08,160 --> 03:08:11,200 that because we understand the 4535 03:08:09,760 --> 03:08:13,680 expectation of the commission to 4536 03:08:11,200 --> 03:08:15,120 maintain the levels of service. Uh the 4537 03:08:13,680 --> 03:08:17,439 fact is we've done that because you've 4538 03:08:15,120 --> 03:08:19,200 not heard any reduction in service and 4539 03:08:17,439 --> 03:08:21,200 Robert and his team and all the 4540 03:08:19,200 --> 03:08:23,200 department directors and HR directors 4541 03:08:21,200 --> 03:08:25,359 have done a good job. But we're about to 4542 03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:28,080 firm a budget 4543 03:08:25,359 --> 03:08:30,720 and that budget will be absolute and 4544 03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:33,760 it'll apply to every single department. 4545 03:08:30,720 --> 03:08:35,840 » And truth be told, credit goes to the 4546 03:08:33,760 --> 03:08:37,200 department directors. It goes to these 4547 03:08:35,840 --> 03:08:39,520 individuals that are sitting in the 4548 03:08:37,200 --> 03:08:41,680 audience because they're having to make 4549 03:08:39,520 --> 03:08:44,000 sure they maximize these resources. And 4550 03:08:41,680 --> 03:08:45,520 so that's kind of the art of the 4551 03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:47,359 personnel management and the budget 4552 03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:49,760 management. But the budget ultimately 4553 03:08:47,359 --> 03:08:51,680 passed will constrain how much dollars 4554 03:08:49,760 --> 03:08:53,279 we had to spend on personnel. I hope 4555 03:08:51,680 --> 03:08:53,680 that helps a little bit. Thank you, Mr. 4556 03:08:53,279 --> 03:08:54,399 Mayor. 4557 03:08:53,680 --> 03:08:56,000 » Commissioner Matler. 4558 03:08:54,399 --> 03:08:57,920 » Uh, thank you, Mr. Manager. And yeah, 4559 03:08:56,000 --> 03:08:59,520 there's no confusion on vacancies and 4560 03:08:57,920 --> 03:09:02,000 and the budget expenditures. The 4561 03:08:59,520 --> 03:09:04,720 question is of the money that we've 4562 03:09:02,000 --> 03:09:06,640 already spent for this buyout program, 4563 03:09:04,720 --> 03:09:08,000 how many of those positions had to be 4564 03:09:06,640 --> 03:09:10,960 backfilled. I recognize the budget 4565 03:09:08,000 --> 03:09:12,720 before us also asked for um a a tax 4566 03:09:10,960 --> 03:09:15,200 increase and is larger than the budget 4567 03:09:12,720 --> 03:09:16,880 uh that we had uh uh previously. So, I'm 4568 03:09:15,200 --> 03:09:18,880 trying to ascertain is did it make sense 4569 03:09:16,880 --> 03:09:20,960 to do that buyout program? and I'm not 4570 03:09:18,880 --> 03:09:22,880 really receiving enough information uh 4571 03:09:20,960 --> 03:09:25,200 to be able to determine that. If you 4572 03:09:22,880 --> 03:09:27,200 have a list of all the vacant positions 4573 03:09:25,200 --> 03:09:30,800 that will be unfunded in this budget, 4574 03:09:27,200 --> 03:09:32,640 that would be helpful. Um as well uh and 4575 03:09:30,800 --> 03:09:34,960 I do want to ask a couple more questions 4576 03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:36,319 while I have you Robert. Commissioner 4577 03:09:34,960 --> 03:09:38,000 Porter me mentioned the HUD 4578 03:09:36,319 --> 03:09:40,479 reimbursement. I know the letter we 4579 03:09:38,000 --> 03:09:43,840 received from HUD said this money would 4580 03:09:40,479 --> 03:09:45,760 be required to be reimbursed. So, but 4581 03:09:43,840 --> 03:09:47,359 we're not budgeting to reimburse the 4582 03:09:45,760 --> 03:09:48,399 federal government at this time. 4583 03:09:47,359 --> 03:09:51,600 » No. 4584 03:09:48,399 --> 03:09:53,439 Okay. And so when we get a definitive 4585 03:09:51,600 --> 03:09:54,800 declaration to pay that, where will that 4586 03:09:53,439 --> 03:09:57,840 money come from? 4587 03:09:54,800 --> 03:09:59,279 » We'll we'll talk through that issue at 4588 03:09:57,840 --> 03:10:03,840 that time. 4589 03:09:59,279 --> 03:10:06,000 » But we we have a a budgetary 4590 03:10:03,840 --> 03:10:09,120 um authority across uh multiple 4591 03:10:06,000 --> 03:10:11,760 departments. Uh I imagine uh we'll look 4592 03:10:09,120 --> 03:10:13,920 at uh where we are in the budget at that 4593 03:10:11,760 --> 03:10:16,160 time to see what's been spent, what what 4594 03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:18,080 remains and and what funds can be 4595 03:10:16,160 --> 03:10:18,880 dedicated to that whatever that amount 4596 03:10:18,080 --> 03:10:20,720 is. 4597 03:10:18,880 --> 03:10:23,279 » So you believe at that time we would be 4598 03:10:20,720 --> 03:10:24,800 able to identify midfiscal year a 4599 03:10:23,279 --> 03:10:25,200 million dollars to reimburse federal 4600 03:10:24,800 --> 03:10:26,479 government. 4601 03:10:25,200 --> 03:10:28,720 » It's one of the strengths of the budget 4602 03:10:26,479 --> 03:10:30,960 process is we come back on a quarterly 4603 03:10:28,720 --> 03:10:32,560 basis uh in workshops to talk about 4604 03:10:30,960 --> 03:10:34,000 where we are after the first quarter, 4605 03:10:32,560 --> 03:10:36,240 the second, third quarter. 4606 03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:38,000 » Okay. Thank you. Um it it sounds like to 4607 03:10:36,240 --> 03:10:40,240 me that there's rooms for further 4608 03:10:38,000 --> 03:10:43,120 reduction uh in this budget based on the 4609 03:10:40,240 --> 03:10:44,880 information uh provided today. Um I know 4610 03:10:43,120 --> 03:10:46,560 a lot of people had mentioned uh 4611 03:10:44,880 --> 03:10:49,279 amendment three and this is kind of 4612 03:10:46,560 --> 03:10:51,279 shoring up the accounts in case that 4613 03:10:49,279 --> 03:10:54,000 that passes, but it feels like a bit of 4614 03:10:51,279 --> 03:10:56,240 a self-fulfilling prophecy. uh what the 4615 03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:58,640 people are asking us to do is get our 4616 03:10:56,240 --> 03:11:01,279 fiscal house in order, stop increasing 4617 03:10:58,640 --> 03:11:03,120 taxes at the rates we've seen year after 4618 03:11:01,279 --> 03:11:05,200 year after year to where they think 4619 03:11:03,120 --> 03:11:08,000 they're at a a breaking point. And I 4620 03:11:05,200 --> 03:11:10,160 think the way we do that is a good faith 4621 03:11:08,000 --> 03:11:13,279 effort by local government to reduce 4622 03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:16,240 expenditures uh and to not continue to 4623 03:11:13,279 --> 03:11:18,000 increase taxes uh again after uh again. 4624 03:11:16,240 --> 03:11:20,720 So I did not support this military when 4625 03:11:18,000 --> 03:11:23,840 it was uh proposed. I do support the 4626 03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:25,520 roll back millage rate of 4.27. 2782. 4627 03:11:23,840 --> 03:11:29,600 And so what I would propose is that we 4628 03:11:25,520 --> 03:11:32,479 bring back um a budget that continues to 4629 03:11:29,600 --> 03:11:34,479 tighten uh sharpen the pencil. I mean 4630 03:11:32,479 --> 03:11:37,279 look at half percent across the board, 4631 03:11:34,479 --> 03:11:38,800 1% across the board by by department to 4632 03:11:37,279 --> 03:11:40,720 bring this align and continue to shore 4633 03:11:38,800 --> 03:11:43,439 up our our deficiencies deficiencies 4634 03:11:40,720 --> 03:11:47,520 fund. So I'd make a substitute motion uh 4635 03:11:43,439 --> 03:11:47,760 to adopt the roll back rate of 4.2782. 4636 03:11:47,520 --> 03:11:49,520 Uh 4637 03:11:47,760 --> 03:11:51,920 » That motion's not recognized. There's a 4638 03:11:49,520 --> 03:11:53,520 very specific formula by Florida statute 4639 03:11:51,920 --> 03:11:54,960 that we have to follow. So, we need to 4640 03:11:53,520 --> 03:11:56,479 deal with the motion on the table first, 4641 03:11:54,960 --> 03:11:58,560 Commissioner Matlo, and we will move 4642 03:11:56,479 --> 03:11:59,760 through the process from there. 4643 03:11:58,560 --> 03:12:02,319 » Commissioner Porter. 4644 03:11:59,760 --> 03:12:04,560 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [clears throat] I 4645 03:12:02,319 --> 03:12:10,040 understand this is a specific process we 4646 03:12:04,560 --> 03:12:10,040 have to follow. So, my question is, 4647 03:12:15,439 --> 03:12:20,240 and I I know that it takes four to pass. 4648 03:12:17,120 --> 03:12:24,160 My my question is whether 4649 03:12:20,240 --> 03:12:27,520 I guess what I'm getting at frankly is 4650 03:12:24,160 --> 03:12:31,760 I don't support this budget, but I am 4651 03:12:27,520 --> 03:12:34,160 concerned about amendment three and 4652 03:12:31,760 --> 03:12:37,200 frankly wish that we we have made 4653 03:12:34,160 --> 03:12:39,680 motions in the past asking for budget 4654 03:12:37,200 --> 03:12:42,479 options and those motions have never 4655 03:12:39,680 --> 03:12:45,040 been successful. So my question is 4656 03:12:42,479 --> 03:12:47,279 whether there is 4657 03:12:45,040 --> 03:12:48,960 an option to do that at this point. 4658 03:12:47,279 --> 03:12:52,800 » If this motion does not pass by a 4659 03:12:48,960 --> 03:12:54,240 supermajority either 41 or a 50 then we 4660 03:12:52,800 --> 03:12:56,160 will move to the roll back rate and 4661 03:12:54,240 --> 03:12:59,359 there is a formula for that and I will 4662 03:12:56,160 --> 03:13:02,240 entertain a motion on that particular 4663 03:12:59,359 --> 03:13:04,319 uh millage rate and budget. 4664 03:13:02,240 --> 03:13:06,720 » Thank you Mr. Mayor. My question was 4665 03:13:04,319 --> 03:13:10,160 actually well I I guess I would like to 4666 03:13:06,720 --> 03:13:11,120 hear the city attorney's opinion. Is my 4667 03:13:10,160 --> 03:13:12,240 question clear? 4668 03:13:11,120 --> 03:13:16,359 » It is not. 4669 03:13:12,240 --> 03:13:16,359 » Okay. So, my question is 4670 03:13:19,200 --> 03:13:21,920 » I'm sorry. Did you have something to 4671 03:13:20,640 --> 03:13:22,720 say, Commissioner Richardson? 4672 03:13:21,920 --> 03:13:24,479 » No, ma'am. 4673 03:13:22,720 --> 03:13:25,439 » Okay, 4674 03:13:24,479 --> 03:13:28,399 » We got the floor. 4675 03:13:25,439 --> 03:13:31,840 » Um, so my question was in the past we 4676 03:13:28,399 --> 03:13:33,920 have asked for basically budget options. 4677 03:13:31,840 --> 03:13:35,920 Commissioner Matt Matlo has just said 4678 03:13:33,920 --> 03:13:38,319 I'd like to, you know, we could see a 5% 4679 03:13:35,920 --> 03:13:40,640 reduction across the board. My question 4680 03:13:38,319 --> 03:13:43,760 is if those two things can come back to 4681 03:13:40,640 --> 03:13:44,880 us at once for consideration at the next 4682 03:13:43,760 --> 03:13:46,800 public hearing. 4683 03:13:44,880 --> 03:13:49,200 » Not at this point if I'm correct. Right 4684 03:13:46,800 --> 03:13:50,880 madam mayor I mean madam attorney. 4685 03:13:49,200 --> 03:13:53,120 » Um 4686 03:13:50,880 --> 03:13:55,760 so we have to go through this process of 4687 03:13:53,120 --> 03:13:56,399 adopting the millillage and the budget 4688 03:13:55,760 --> 03:13:58,880 » Right? 4689 03:13:56,399 --> 03:14:01,120 » Um 4690 03:13:58,880 --> 03:14:05,200 the so there are separate motions the mo 4691 03:14:01,120 --> 03:14:07,279 the budget is separate. Um, I think it 4692 03:14:05,200 --> 03:14:10,160 has to be I think the budget has to be 4693 03:14:07,279 --> 03:14:10,800 adopted or not at this meeting. 4694 03:14:10,160 --> 03:14:13,040 » Correct. 4695 03:14:10,800 --> 03:14:14,720 » I I think I might rather refer to Robert 4696 03:14:13,040 --> 03:14:17,520 though or or just confer with Robert to 4697 03:14:14,720 --> 03:14:19,520 make sure that I'm correct on that. I 4698 03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:21,120 think Commissioner Porter's question is 4699 03:14:19,520 --> 03:14:24,479 could they come back could we come back 4700 03:14:21,120 --> 03:14:26,239 at the next meeting with any amendments 4701 03:14:24,479 --> 03:14:29,239 to the budget? Is that what you're 4702 03:14:26,239 --> 03:14:29,239 asking? 4703 03:14:29,760 --> 03:14:34,720 My question is, I mean, sort of. My 4704 03:14:32,800 --> 03:14:36,160 question is, we have in the past, it's 4705 03:14:34,720 --> 03:14:39,279 never been successful. It's always been 4706 03:14:36,160 --> 03:14:40,800 a three-2 vote, asked for options to 4707 03:14:39,279 --> 03:14:43,920 review 4708 03:14:40,800 --> 03:14:46,000 um as it relates to the budget. So, my 4709 03:14:43,920 --> 03:14:49,200 question is at this point, is that 4710 03:14:46,000 --> 03:14:50,960 possible at the next hearing to 4711 03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:53,680 accommodate Commissioner Matlo's 4712 03:14:50,960 --> 03:14:57,279 request? 4713 03:14:53,680 --> 03:14:59,439 » No. the the two options that there are 4714 03:14:57,279 --> 03:15:02,399 opportunities for us to discuss programs 4715 03:14:59,439 --> 03:15:04,000 and service levels um and and make 4716 03:15:02,399 --> 03:15:05,600 changes to those programs and service 4717 03:15:04,000 --> 03:15:07,120 levels 4718 03:15:05,600 --> 03:15:10,720 recognizing that there have been 4719 03:15:07,120 --> 03:15:13,680 requests to cut uh executive salaries or 4720 03:15:10,720 --> 03:15:16,720 position uh uh uh certain departments. 4721 03:15:13,680 --> 03:15:20,000 Those departments being allocated 4722 03:15:16,720 --> 03:15:21,600 uh don't even come close to what we need 4723 03:15:20,000 --> 03:15:23,439 in order to balance the budget. And so 4724 03:15:21,600 --> 03:15:25,760 what we're bringing to you is a balanced 4725 03:15:23,439 --> 03:15:28,560 budget with the best options possible 4726 03:15:25,760 --> 03:15:31,279 for the millage rate uh that are 4727 03:15:28,560 --> 03:15:34,080 dictated by the by the new uh state 4728 03:15:31,279 --> 03:15:35,760 statute and and th those voting motions 4729 03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:36,640 that the city attorney is walking 4730 03:15:35,760 --> 03:15:38,080 through. 4731 03:15:36,640 --> 03:15:40,399 » So commissioner, if I could just follow 4732 03:15:38,080 --> 03:15:43,359 up, I I think at this point in the 4733 03:15:40,399 --> 03:15:46,800 process, we're very bound by the 4734 03:15:43,359 --> 03:15:49,520 statutory um steps, the budgetary 4735 03:15:46,800 --> 03:15:51,760 options. Um, to the extent I'm I'm 4736 03:15:49,520 --> 03:15:53,279 understanding what you're asking is 4737 03:15:51,760 --> 03:15:56,160 probably something that has to have been 4738 03:15:53,279 --> 03:15:57,680 done prior to today. Um, 4739 03:15:56,160 --> 03:15:58,640 » And we did try. 4740 03:15:57,680 --> 03:16:00,000 » I understand. 4741 03:15:58,640 --> 03:16:01,359 » On point, Mr. Mayor. 4742 03:16:00,000 --> 03:16:04,319 » Commissioner Matlo on point. 4743 03:16:01,359 --> 03:16:07,200 » Um, Madam Attorney, if this budget gets 4744 03:16:04,319 --> 03:16:09,439 rejected today, what is the next step? 4745 03:16:07,200 --> 03:16:11,120 » The the budget or the millage rate? 4746 03:16:09,439 --> 03:16:12,560 » The millage and the budget get rejected 4747 03:16:11,120 --> 03:16:15,279 today, what is the next step? And what 4748 03:16:12,560 --> 03:16:16,239 is the timeline to adopt a budget for 4749 03:16:15,279 --> 03:16:18,800 the fiscal year? 4750 03:16:16,239 --> 03:16:20,880 » I'll jump in. If this motion fails, I 4751 03:16:18,800 --> 03:16:22,319 wholeheartedly uh plan on entertaining a 4752 03:16:20,880 --> 03:16:24,160 motion for the roll back rate, which I 4753 03:16:22,319 --> 03:16:25,040 think will have a majority. You've 4754 03:16:24,160 --> 03:16:26,960 already [clears throat] stated you're in 4755 03:16:25,040 --> 03:16:28,479 favor of the roll back rate. So, we will 4756 03:16:26,960 --> 03:16:31,760 go through the legal process and the 4757 03:16:28,479 --> 03:16:34,000 mayor uh the um the attorney will walk 4758 03:16:31,760 --> 03:16:35,600 me through that. We have the script. We 4759 03:16:34,000 --> 03:16:37,520 are fully prepared. 4760 03:16:35,600 --> 03:16:40,160 » So, to answer Commissioner Porter's 4761 03:16:37,520 --> 03:16:42,319 question, I understand the mill rate. 4762 03:16:40,160 --> 03:16:44,880 Her question is, can the specifics of 4763 03:16:42,319 --> 03:16:46,960 the budget be amended um at this point? 4764 03:16:44,880 --> 03:16:49,200 And that answer should be yes. We have 4765 03:16:46,960 --> 03:16:52,319 not adopted a final budget yet. 4766 03:16:49,200 --> 03:16:54,160 » What we advertise for the budget and for 4767 03:16:52,319 --> 03:16:55,600 the millillage rate has to be the exact 4768 03:16:54,160 --> 03:16:56,080 same of what passes tonight. 4769 03:16:55,600 --> 03:16:58,160 » Correct. 4770 03:16:56,080 --> 03:17:00,239 » Versus what comes back. What I think to 4771 03:16:58,160 --> 03:17:03,520 answer your question is remember we 4772 03:17:00,239 --> 03:17:05,040 begin our budget process in January. The 4773 03:17:03,520 --> 03:17:06,880 next commission will have plenty of 4774 03:17:05,040 --> 03:17:09,040 opportunity to propose budget amendments 4775 03:17:06,880 --> 03:17:10,640 throughout the fiscal year to address 4776 03:17:09,040 --> 03:17:13,040 the needs as they come up. Whether 4777 03:17:10,640 --> 03:17:15,279 amendment three passes or does not pass. 4778 03:17:13,040 --> 03:17:17,920 I believe that is the appropriate time 4779 03:17:15,279 --> 03:17:21,359 to amend the budget because we're at 4780 03:17:17,920 --> 03:17:23,200 this point in the cycle. So, um you 4781 03:17:21,359 --> 03:17:26,080 know, I intend to take a motion and 4782 03:17:23,200 --> 03:17:27,840 hopefully get some type of consensus uh 4783 03:17:26,080 --> 03:17:30,720 whether it's on the proposed millage 4784 03:17:27,840 --> 03:17:32,960 rate as is or on the roll back rate so 4785 03:17:30,720 --> 03:17:37,680 that we can advertise it and have a 4786 03:17:32,960 --> 03:17:39,359 fully uh balanced budget passed by 4787 03:17:37,680 --> 03:17:40,319 September 30th at the end of the fiscal 4788 03:17:39,359 --> 03:17:42,560 year. Commission 4789 03:17:40,319 --> 03:17:44,000 » And and thank you, Mr. Mayor. And that 4790 03:17:42,560 --> 03:17:45,359 starts to clarify what I'm trying to say 4791 03:17:44,000 --> 03:17:47,920 and answer Commissioner Porter's 4792 03:17:45,359 --> 03:17:50,160 question. If we adopt the roll back 4793 03:17:47,920 --> 03:17:51,840 rate, this city commission will still 4794 03:17:50,160 --> 03:17:53,760 have to decide what that budget looks 4795 03:17:51,840 --> 03:17:54,880 like, what gets removed, or what gets 4796 03:17:53,760 --> 03:17:56,399 refunded. And there's still an 4797 03:17:54,880 --> 03:17:58,880 opportunity to have that conversation or 4798 03:17:56,399 --> 03:18:01,359 put it in part of a motion today of what 4799 03:17:58,880 --> 03:18:03,920 budget would come back at the next. I 4800 03:18:01,359 --> 03:18:06,000 think that those those individual 4801 03:18:03,920 --> 03:18:09,840 whatever those changes are would have to 4802 03:18:06,000 --> 03:18:13,439 be made tonight because we are under the 4803 03:18:09,840 --> 03:18:16,080 deadline of advertising an amend we will 4804 03:18:13,439 --> 03:18:19,359 have an amended budget if we adopt the 4805 03:18:16,080 --> 03:18:22,160 if you adopt the roll back and so then 4806 03:18:19,359 --> 03:18:24,479 we will bring back an amended budget 4807 03:18:22,160 --> 03:18:26,000 » But it has to come back at the 23rd it 4808 03:18:24,479 --> 03:18:28,399 has to be advertised and then it has to 4809 03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:30,239 come back at the 23rd so I guess the 4810 03:18:28,399 --> 03:18:31,600 answer is we don't have another 4811 03:18:30,239 --> 03:18:34,239 opportunity 4812 03:18:31,600 --> 03:18:36,960 at the 23rd is when it has to be uh 4813 03:18:34,239 --> 03:18:37,760 decided. So any amendments would have to 4814 03:18:36,960 --> 03:18:38,960 be done tonight. 4815 03:18:37,760 --> 03:18:40,560 » I I understand that. Does that make 4816 03:18:38,960 --> 03:18:42,720 sense? It makes perfect sense. And what 4817 03:18:40,560 --> 03:18:44,399 what Commissioner Porter asked for, this 4818 03:18:42,720 --> 03:18:46,720 could have been predicted because it was 4819 03:18:44,399 --> 03:18:48,880 always going to require uh four votes to 4820 03:18:46,720 --> 03:18:51,040 pass. She asked for a workshop to take 4821 03:18:48,880 --> 03:18:52,720 place so we could hash out those details 4822 03:18:51,040 --> 03:18:54,800 and make sure we had a balanced budget 4823 03:18:52,720 --> 03:18:56,880 with a roll back rate. because that was 4824 03:18:54,800 --> 03:18:59,200 rejected. City staff didn't even do the 4825 03:18:56,880 --> 03:19:01,040 work to propose an alternative budget 4826 03:18:59,200 --> 03:19:02,880 that fits the roll back rate and that's 4827 03:19:01,040 --> 03:19:03,680 causing the confusion uh today. Thank 4828 03:19:02,880 --> 03:19:04,239 you, Mr. Mayor. 4829 03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:07,200 » Mr. Mayor, 4830 03:19:04,239 --> 03:19:08,720 » Sure. M I need Robert to clarify this. I 4831 03:19:07,200 --> 03:19:10,720 just want to make sure we're on the 4832 03:19:08,720 --> 03:19:13,120 right page. 4833 03:19:10,720 --> 03:19:17,040 » Paired with the adoption of the millage 4834 03:19:13,120 --> 03:19:18,640 rate, you will also have to pass a total 4835 03:19:17,040 --> 03:19:19,520 budget that will be balanced, 4836 03:19:18,640 --> 03:19:21,520 » Right? 4837 03:19:19,520 --> 03:19:23,600 » So there will we don't have to go back 4838 03:19:21,520 --> 03:19:25,680 to the drawing board. Robert and team 4839 03:19:23,600 --> 03:19:28,000 will be prepared tonight to present that 4840 03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:30,080 total budget to coincide with the 4841 03:19:28,000 --> 03:19:32,800 millage rate. So the millage rate we 4842 03:19:30,080 --> 03:19:34,720 won't go back and retool 4843 03:19:32,800 --> 03:19:37,600 at the roll back rate. Robert has a 4844 03:19:34,720 --> 03:19:39,520 budget to present and you would adopt 4845 03:19:37,600 --> 03:19:41,120 that tonight. [clears throat] 4846 03:19:39,520 --> 03:19:44,239 There currently is a motion for approval 4847 03:19:41,120 --> 03:19:46,160 of the city's millage rate of 4.4072 4848 03:19:44,239 --> 03:19:48,560 mills as stated in resolution number 4849 03:19:46,160 --> 03:19:50,560 26-R31. 4850 03:19:48,560 --> 03:19:52,479 The motion was made by the mayor pro Tim 4851 03:19:50,560 --> 03:19:54,479 Curtis Richardson seconded by 4852 03:19:52,479 --> 03:19:55,600 commissioner Diane Williams Cox. 4853 03:19:54,479 --> 03:19:57,279 Commissioner Porter. 4854 03:19:55,600 --> 03:20:00,399 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I and I'll be 4855 03:19:57,279 --> 03:20:02,399 brief. I do plan to support the proposed 4856 03:20:00,399 --> 03:20:04,399 millage rate because I am concerned 4857 03:20:02,399 --> 03:20:07,279 about the implications of amendment 4858 03:20:04,399 --> 03:20:09,920 three if it passes. But I do want to 4859 03:20:07,279 --> 03:20:11,600 reiterate again that that I really don't 4860 03:20:09,920 --> 03:20:14,239 support this budget. I appreciate all 4861 03:20:11,600 --> 03:20:16,560 the work that went into it, but I have 4862 03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:18,960 said the same thing every year, every 4863 03:20:16,560 --> 03:20:21,840 budget hearing, basically every budget 4864 03:20:18,960 --> 03:20:24,000 workshop that I really think we need to 4865 03:20:21,840 --> 03:20:26,319 re-evaluate many of our spending 4866 03:20:24,000 --> 03:20:29,279 priorities. We talk about sharpening our 4867 03:20:26,319 --> 03:20:32,319 pencils. Um, but somehow that effort 4868 03:20:29,279 --> 03:20:34,880 still includes spending nearly $100,000 4869 03:20:32,319 --> 03:20:36,640 on an employes's personal vehicle. 4870 03:20:34,880 --> 03:20:38,479 That's the kind of thing that makes 4871 03:20:36,640 --> 03:20:40,720 working people, many of whom are working 4872 03:20:38,479 --> 03:20:43,680 multiple jobs to make end meet ends 4873 03:20:40,720 --> 03:20:46,160 meet, wonder if this government is 4874 03:20:43,680 --> 03:20:49,680 really working to meet their needs. It 4875 03:20:46,160 --> 03:20:53,120 pushes people to support amendments like 4876 03:20:49,680 --> 03:20:55,200 amendment three. Um, you know, and I 4877 03:20:53,120 --> 03:20:57,120 could go on, but that's just the start. 4878 03:20:55,200 --> 03:20:58,960 I I think there's a lot of good in this 4879 03:20:57,120 --> 03:21:01,200 budget, but we continue to miss the 4880 03:20:58,960 --> 03:21:03,200 mark. Just as an example, we gave 4881 03:21:01,200 --> 03:21:05,439 unanimous direction years ago about 4882 03:21:03,200 --> 03:21:08,239 implementing a mun a municipal child 4883 03:21:05,439 --> 03:21:10,239 care system years ago. Where is that in 4884 03:21:08,239 --> 03:21:13,279 this budget? That never even came back 4885 03:21:10,239 --> 03:21:15,600 to us. Nearly one in four residents is 4886 03:21:13,279 --> 03:21:17,680 living in poverty in Tallahassee. And we 4887 03:21:15,600 --> 03:21:20,160 all know this. We've never even had a 4888 03:21:17,680 --> 03:21:23,040 serious discussion about how to address 4889 03:21:20,160 --> 03:21:25,680 that. We have the impact on poverty 4890 03:21:23,040 --> 03:21:28,000 category in our strategic plan. Our 4891 03:21:25,680 --> 03:21:30,880 stated goal isn't even to reduce 4892 03:21:28,000 --> 03:21:33,120 poverty. It's to be a community partner 4893 03:21:30,880 --> 03:21:35,120 that connects residents to resources 4894 03:21:33,120 --> 03:21:38,080 that remove economic and social 4895 03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:40,960 barriers. You know, a resource that can 4896 03:21:38,080 --> 03:21:43,040 remove economic and social barriers, the 4897 03:21:40,960 --> 03:21:44,880 city of Tallahassee. 4898 03:21:43,040 --> 03:21:47,279 So, 4899 03:21:44,880 --> 03:21:50,640 I wish that I were not in this position. 4900 03:21:47,279 --> 03:21:54,399 I wish that there was a greater openness 4901 03:21:50,640 --> 03:21:56,239 to compromise, to receiving input, to 4902 03:21:54,399 --> 03:21:58,160 having a budget workshop. The 4903 03:21:56,239 --> 03:22:00,560 implications here are huge. There's 4904 03:21:58,160 --> 03:22:03,600 still so many questions about this 4905 03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:05,200 budget. I feel very uncomfortable moving 4906 03:22:03,600 --> 03:22:08,560 forward, which is why I will not be 4907 03:22:05,200 --> 03:22:10,239 supporting the budget. Um, but I will I 4908 03:22:08,560 --> 03:22:12,239 will support the proposed millage rate 4909 03:22:10,239 --> 03:22:14,319 because I'm I'm concerned about the 4910 03:22:12,239 --> 03:22:17,760 implications moving forward and feel 4911 03:22:14,319 --> 03:22:20,080 that the residents of Tallahassee will 4912 03:22:17,760 --> 03:22:22,000 want those services to continue and and 4913 03:22:20,080 --> 03:22:24,000 will will need to be there to do that. I 4914 03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:25,760 I think it's possible if we sharpen our 4915 03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:28,399 pencils as well, but that's where I'm 4916 03:22:25,760 --> 03:22:30,160 at. All right, it takes super majority 4917 03:22:28,399 --> 03:22:31,760 to pass the resolution on the table 4918 03:22:30,160 --> 03:22:32,960 according to new state law. There is a 4919 03:22:31,760 --> 03:22:35,279 motion for approval of the city's 4920 03:22:32,960 --> 03:22:36,960 millage rate of 4.4072 4921 03:22:35,279 --> 03:22:39,040 mills as stated in resolution number 4922 03:22:36,960 --> 03:22:40,960 26-R31. 4923 03:22:39,040 --> 03:22:42,160 Motion was made by the mayor pro Tim 4924 03:22:40,960 --> 03:22:44,319 Curtis Richardson. Second by 4925 03:22:42,160 --> 03:22:47,040 commissioner Diane Williams Cox. All 4926 03:22:44,319 --> 03:22:49,040 those in favor of the mill of the motion 4927 03:22:47,040 --> 03:22:49,840 on the table signify by saying I. 4928 03:22:49,040 --> 03:22:51,120 » I. 4929 03:22:49,840 --> 03:22:54,720 » And those opposed? 4930 03:22:51,120 --> 03:22:57,120 » Nay. And it passes 4 to one with a super 4931 03:22:54,720 --> 03:22:59,439 majority with Commissioner Matlo in 4932 03:22:57,120 --> 03:23:00,960 descent. I would now like to request a 4933 03:22:59,439 --> 03:23:02,640 motion for the approval of the city's 4934 03:23:00,960 --> 03:23:05,840 budget appropriation as set forth in 4935 03:23:02,640 --> 03:23:06,560 resolution number 26-R32. 4936 03:23:05,840 --> 03:23:08,239 » So moved 4937 03:23:06,560 --> 03:23:08,800 » Properly moved by the mayor pro Tim. Is 4938 03:23:08,239 --> 03:23:09,520 there a second? 4939 03:23:08,800 --> 03:23:12,560 » Second. 4940 03:23:09,520 --> 03:23:14,560 » Seconded by Commissioner Williams Cox. 4941 03:23:12,560 --> 03:23:15,760 » All right. All those in favor signify by 4942 03:23:14,560 --> 03:23:18,720 saying I. I. 4943 03:23:15,760 --> 03:23:20,960 » All those opposed 4944 03:23:18,720 --> 03:23:22,720 5 unanimously. I would now like to 4945 03:23:20,960 --> 03:23:24,080 request a motion for the approval of the 4946 03:23:22,720 --> 03:23:27,600 downtown improvement authorities 4947 03:23:24,080 --> 03:23:29,520 tenative millage rate of 1.0000 4948 03:23:27,600 --> 03:23:31,279 mil as stated in resolution number 4949 03:23:29,520 --> 03:23:33,760 26-R31 4950 03:23:31,279 --> 03:23:36,000 attachment A in your package recognizing 4951 03:23:33,760 --> 03:23:39,200 that the proposed aggregate mill rate is 4952 03:23:36,000 --> 03:23:42,160 more than the roll back rate of 4.2782 4953 03:23:39,200 --> 03:23:43,760 by 3.47%. 4954 03:23:42,160 --> 03:23:44,880 Is there a motion? 4955 03:23:43,760 --> 03:23:46,479 » So move Mr. Mayor 4956 03:23:44,880 --> 03:23:47,040 » Probably moved by the mayor pro Tim. Is 4957 03:23:46,479 --> 03:23:47,600 there a second? 4958 03:23:47,040 --> 03:23:49,279 » Second. 4959 03:23:47,600 --> 03:23:51,600 » Seconded by Commissioner Williams Cox. 4960 03:23:49,279 --> 03:23:52,000 All those in favor signify by saying I. 4961 03:23:51,600 --> 03:23:53,920 I. 4962 03:23:52,000 --> 03:23:56,800 » All those opposed. 4963 03:23:53,920 --> 03:23:58,479 » Passes unanimously. 5. I would now like 4964 03:23:56,800 --> 03:24:00,000 to request a motion for the approval of 4965 03:23:58,479 --> 03:24:02,239 the downtown improvement authorities 4966 03:24:00,000 --> 03:24:04,080 budget as stated in resolution number 4967 03:24:02,239 --> 03:24:07,040 26-R32 4968 03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:07,680 attachment B of your packet. Is there a 4969 03:24:07,040 --> 03:24:08,800 motion? 4970 03:24:07,680 --> 03:24:09,279 » So moved, Mr. Mayor. 4971 03:24:08,800 --> 03:24:10,880 » Second. 4972 03:24:09,279 --> 03:24:12,319 » Been properly moved by the mayor pro 4973 03:24:10,880 --> 03:24:14,880 Tim, seconded by Commissioner Williams 4974 03:24:12,319 --> 03:24:17,359 Cox. Any discussion? Seeing none. All 4975 03:24:14,880 --> 03:24:20,479 those in favor signify by saying I. I. 4976 03:24:17,359 --> 03:24:22,399 All those opposed passes unanimously. 4977 03:24:20,479 --> 03:24:24,080 5-0. I would now like to request a 4978 03:24:22,399 --> 03:24:28,960 motion for the approval of the healthc 4979 03:24:24,080 --> 03:24:29,600 care rapes option one as proposed. 4980 03:24:28,960 --> 03:24:31,359 » Second. 4981 03:24:29,600 --> 03:24:32,960 » Been proudly moved by the mayor pro Tim, 4982 03:24:31,359 --> 03:24:35,120 seconded by Commissioner Williams Cox. 4983 03:24:32,960 --> 03:24:37,040 Any further comment? Seeing none. All 4984 03:24:35,120 --> 03:24:39,359 those in favor signify by saying I. 4985 03:24:37,040 --> 03:24:42,000 » I. All those opposed. Passes 4986 03:24:39,359 --> 03:24:43,439 unanimously. 5-0. Madame Attorney. 4987 03:24:42,000 --> 03:24:44,960 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. To summarize, the 4988 03:24:43,439 --> 03:24:46,560 city commission has tenatively approved 4989 03:24:44,960 --> 03:24:48,880 the millage rate for both the city and 4990 03:24:46,560 --> 03:24:50,880 the DIA and the expenditures and 4991 03:24:48,880 --> 03:24:52,960 obligations of the city of Tallahassee 4992 03:24:50,880 --> 03:24:55,520 and the DIA for the fiscal year 4993 03:24:52,960 --> 03:24:58,560 beginning October 1, 2026 and ending 4994 03:24:55,520 --> 03:25:01,279 September 30, 2027, designating the 4995 03:24:58,560 --> 03:25:02,960 sources of revenue and appropriations. A 4996 03:25:01,279 --> 03:25:05,120 public hearing on the final budget will 4997 03:25:02,960 --> 03:25:08,319 be held on Wednesday, September 23rd, 4998 03:25:05,120 --> 03:25:10,560 2026 at 6 PM in the city of Tallahassee 4999 03:25:08,319 --> 03:25:14,479 city commission chambers at city hall, 5000 03:25:10,560 --> 03:25:16,720 at which time resolution number 26-R31 5001 03:25:14,479 --> 03:25:18,800 setting the millage rate and resolution 5002 03:25:16,720 --> 03:25:20,960 number 26-R32 5003 03:25:18,800 --> 03:25:23,040 setting the budget will be presented for 5004 03:25:20,960 --> 03:25:24,640 approval. Contingent upon commission 5005 03:25:23,040 --> 03:25:26,720 action, the resolutions and required 5006 03:25:24,640 --> 03:25:28,720 budget summary advertisement would be 5007 03:25:26,720 --> 03:25:31,600 will be adjusted for all issues resolved 5008 03:25:28,720 --> 03:25:34,000 as part of this agenda item. Uh at this 5009 03:25:31,600 --> 03:25:35,840 time, uh Mr. Mayor, the city commission 5010 03:25:34,000 --> 03:25:38,000 is scheduled as part of this agenda item 5011 03:25:35,840 --> 03:25:40,720 to consider two proposed resolutions 5012 03:25:38,000 --> 03:25:42,800 regarding solid waste rates and parking 5013 03:25:40,720 --> 03:25:44,160 rates. If I may, 5014 03:25:42,800 --> 03:25:47,120 » Please. The first of these two 5015 03:25:44,160 --> 03:25:51,279 resolutions, resolution number 26R29 5016 03:25:47,120 --> 03:25:53,040 adopting updated solid waste rates reads 5017 03:25:51,279 --> 03:25:54,720 um a resolution of the city commission 5018 03:25:53,040 --> 03:25:56,560 of the city of Tallahassee, Florida, 5019 03:25:54,720 --> 03:25:58,479 establishing the schedule of residential 5020 03:25:56,560 --> 03:26:01,040 and commercial rates for solid waste 5021 03:25:58,479 --> 03:26:02,800 services pursuant to the general the 5022 03:26:01,040 --> 03:26:04,560 code of general ordinances section 5023 03:26:02,800 --> 03:26:06,560 21-512 5024 03:26:04,560 --> 03:26:08,640 and providing an effective date. 5025 03:26:06,560 --> 03:26:10,960 » Mr. Clerk, do we have any public 5026 03:26:08,640 --> 03:26:12,960 speakers on this item? 5027 03:26:10,960 --> 03:26:16,479 » No, sir. 5028 03:26:12,960 --> 03:26:18,800 Okay. Uh let's move into uh commission 5029 03:26:16,479 --> 03:26:22,160 discussion. I am looking for a motion to 5030 03:26:18,800 --> 03:26:25,439 approve resolution number 26-R29 5031 03:26:22,160 --> 03:26:26,800 adopting updated solid waste rates. Is 5032 03:26:25,439 --> 03:26:27,840 there a motion on the table? 5033 03:26:26,800 --> 03:26:29,760 » So moved, Mr. Mayor. 5034 03:26:27,840 --> 03:26:31,439 » Properly moved by the mayor pro Tim, 5035 03:26:29,760 --> 03:26:33,840 seconded by Commissioner Williams Cox. 5036 03:26:31,439 --> 03:26:35,920 Discussion. 5037 03:26:33,840 --> 03:26:37,439 » Seeing none, all those in favor signify 5038 03:26:35,920 --> 03:26:40,319 by saying I. I. 5039 03:26:37,439 --> 03:26:41,840 » All those opposed? Passes unanimously. 5040 03:26:40,319 --> 03:26:43,600 5-0. Madam Attorney, 5041 03:26:41,840 --> 03:26:45,680 » The second resolution is resolution 5042 03:26:43,600 --> 03:26:48,319 number 26-R30 5043 03:26:45,680 --> 03:26:50,239 adopting updated parking rates. The 5044 03:26:48,319 --> 03:26:53,680 title of the resolution is a resolution 5045 03:26:50,239 --> 03:26:55,200 authorizing public parking rates. 5046 03:26:53,680 --> 03:26:56,399 » Are there any public speakers on this 5047 03:26:55,200 --> 03:26:57,439 item, Mr. Clerk? 5048 03:26:56,399 --> 03:26:59,279 » No, sir. 5049 03:26:57,439 --> 03:27:01,840 » Colleagues, I am looking for a motion to 5050 03:26:59,279 --> 03:27:03,760 approve resolution number 26-R30, 5051 03:27:01,840 --> 03:27:04,800 adopting updated parking rates. 5052 03:27:03,760 --> 03:27:06,399 » So move, Mr. Mayor. 5053 03:27:04,800 --> 03:27:08,000 » Probably moved by the mayor pro Tim, 5054 03:27:06,399 --> 03:27:10,160 seconded by Commissioner Williams Cox. 5055 03:27:08,000 --> 03:27:12,080 Any further discussion? Seeing none. All 5056 03:27:10,160 --> 03:27:12,880 those in favor signify by saying I. 5057 03:27:12,080 --> 03:27:15,040 » I. 5058 03:27:12,880 --> 03:27:17,760 » All those opposed. 5059 03:27:15,040 --> 03:27:20,880 » Passes 41 with Commissioner Matlo in 5060 03:27:17,760 --> 03:27:22,960 descent. Uh do we have any other 5061 03:27:20,880 --> 03:27:24,319 business to come before us under the 5062 03:27:22,960 --> 03:27:25,200 budget? Madame Attorney, 5063 03:27:24,319 --> 03:27:26,720 » We do not, Mr. 5064 03:27:25,200 --> 03:27:28,479 » This closes the public hearing on this 5065 03:27:26,720 --> 03:27:30,640 item and once again the final public 5066 03:27:28,479 --> 03:27:34,960 hearing on the budget is scheduled for 5067 03:27:30,640 --> 03:27:36,800 September 23rd, 2026. 5068 03:27:34,960 --> 03:27:38,880 We are now on item, 5069 03:27:36,800 --> 03:27:41,200 » Mr. Mayor. Sure. 5070 03:27:38,880 --> 03:27:42,960 » I didn't want to interrupt. Um, but I 5071 03:27:41,200 --> 03:27:44,239 would like to vote I meant to vote 5072 03:27:42,960 --> 03:27:45,920 against the budget. I thought we were 5073 03:27:44,239 --> 03:27:47,920 voting on the DIA milligrate. I thought 5074 03:27:45,920 --> 03:27:49,520 we were doing the mill rates first. So, 5075 03:27:47,920 --> 03:27:52,319 can the record reflect that? 5076 03:27:49,520 --> 03:27:55,200 » Say that one more time. 5077 03:27:52,319 --> 03:27:57,040 » I intended to vote no on the budget. I 5078 03:27:55,200 --> 03:27:59,600 thought when we voted on the budget that 5079 03:27:57,040 --> 03:28:02,080 I was voting yes on the DIA's millage 5080 03:27:59,600 --> 03:28:05,840 rate. So, I would like to ask that the 5081 03:28:02,080 --> 03:28:08,239 record reflect a no vote on the budget, 5082 03:28:05,840 --> 03:28:10,479 » Which was my intention. uh supermajority 5083 03:28:08,239 --> 03:28:11,760 required simply for the millage rate or 5084 03:28:10,479 --> 03:28:14,160 for the budget as well? 5085 03:28:11,760 --> 03:28:17,760 » Uh not for the budget, just for the 5086 03:28:14,160 --> 03:28:20,239 millage rate. Um but and Commissioner 5087 03:28:17,760 --> 03:28:22,479 Porter would be entitled to change her 5088 03:28:20,239 --> 03:28:24,479 vote with the consent of the body. 5089 03:28:22,479 --> 03:28:26,239 » Do we need a motion to reconsider in 5090 03:28:24,479 --> 03:28:27,520 » It's not really a motion to reconsider. 5091 03:28:26,239 --> 03:28:28,640 It's just a motion to allow her to 5092 03:28:27,520 --> 03:28:29,920 change her vote. 5093 03:28:28,640 --> 03:28:30,560 » Okay. Without objection. 5094 03:28:29,920 --> 03:28:33,439 » So move. 5095 03:28:30,560 --> 03:28:35,840 » Unanimously approved. Uh we will change 5096 03:28:33,439 --> 03:28:38,960 Commissioner Porter's vote to a nay vote 5097 03:28:35,840 --> 03:28:40,640 on the budget. It passes 32 with 5098 03:28:38,960 --> 03:28:42,960 Commissioner Matlo and Commissioner 5099 03:28:40,640 --> 03:28:45,520 Porter in descent. The mayor, the mayor 5100 03:28:42,960 --> 03:28:46,319 pro Tim, and Commissioner Williams Cox 5101 03:28:45,520 --> 03:28:47,359 in favor. 5102 03:28:46,319 --> 03:28:48,880 » I voted for the budget. 5103 03:28:47,359 --> 03:28:50,479 » Oh, you did vote in favor. I'm sorry, 5104 03:28:48,880 --> 03:28:53,200 Commissioner Matlo. Okay, let me 5105 03:28:50,479 --> 03:28:55,840 restate. Commissioner Porter has voted 5106 03:28:53,200 --> 03:28:57,359 against uh Commissioner Matlo, 5107 03:28:55,840 --> 03:28:59,120 Commissioner Williams Cox. The mayor Bro 5108 03:28:57,359 --> 03:29:01,920 Tim and the mayor voted in favor. It 5109 03:28:59,120 --> 03:29:02,640 passes 41. Did I get that correct? 5110 03:29:01,920 --> 03:29:05,200 » Yes. 5111 03:29:02,640 --> 03:29:06,000 » Excellent. We're on item number 16.02. 5112 03:29:05,200 --> 03:29:08,960 Madam Attorney, 5113 03:29:06,000 --> 03:29:11,120 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item number 16.02 5114 03:29:08,960 --> 03:29:13,680 is the uh public hearing on ordinance 5115 03:29:11,120 --> 03:29:15,600 number 26-11, 5116 03:29:13,680 --> 03:29:18,239 an ordinance of the city of Tallahassee, 5117 03:29:15,600 --> 03:29:20,319 Florida, amending section six of the 5118 03:29:18,239 --> 03:29:22,239 charter of the city of Tallahassee to 5119 03:29:20,319 --> 03:29:23,920 annex within the corporate area of the 5120 03:29:22,239 --> 03:29:26,000 city of Tallahass, Florida, upon 5121 03:29:23,920 --> 03:29:28,000 adoption of set ordinance, property 5122 03:29:26,000 --> 03:29:29,439 being situated in Lyon County, Florida, 5123 03:29:28,000 --> 03:29:32,960 in accordance with the voluntary 5124 03:29:29,439 --> 03:29:35,120 annexation provisions of section 171.044 5125 03:29:32,960 --> 03:29:37,040 044 Florida statutes providing for 5126 03:29:35,120 --> 03:29:39,760 severability conflicts and an effective 5127 03:29:37,040 --> 03:29:41,680 date. The recommended opt action is 5128 03:29:39,760 --> 03:29:43,920 option one conduct the first and only 5129 03:29:41,680 --> 03:29:46,319 public hearing and accept accept staff 5130 03:29:43,920 --> 03:29:48,479 recommendation to adopt ordinance number 5131 03:29:46,319 --> 03:29:49,840 26-11. 5132 03:29:48,479 --> 03:29:51,200 » Excellent. Do we have any public comment 5133 03:29:49,840 --> 03:29:53,040 on the saddle Mr. Clerk? 5134 03:29:51,200 --> 03:29:55,200 » Mayor we have one speaker Gary Hunter 5135 03:29:53,040 --> 03:29:56,560 presumably to answer questions. Okay, 5136 03:29:55,200 --> 03:29:58,560 colleagues direction 5137 03:29:56,560 --> 03:29:58,960 » Move staff recommendation option number 5138 03:29:58,560 --> 03:30:00,720 one 5139 03:29:58,960 --> 03:30:02,800 » Properly moved by the mayor pro Tim 5140 03:30:00,720 --> 03:30:06,120 second by commissioner Williams Cox. Any 5141 03:30:02,800 --> 03:30:06,120 further discussion? 5142 03:30:06,160 --> 03:30:09,600 » Seeing none. All those in favor signify 5143 03:30:08,800 --> 03:30:09,920 by saying I. 5144 03:30:09,600 --> 03:30:12,800 » I. 5145 03:30:09,920 --> 03:30:15,040 » All those opposed passes unanimously 40 5146 03:30:12,800 --> 03:30:17,120 with Commissioner Porter out of chambers 5147 03:30:15,040 --> 03:30:19,680 16.03. Madam Attorney, 5148 03:30:17,120 --> 03:30:21,439 » Thank you. Item number 16.03 is the 5149 03:30:19,680 --> 03:30:23,279 second and final public hearing on the 5150 03:30:21,439 --> 03:30:24,720 development agreement with Dr. Horton 5151 03:30:23,279 --> 03:30:26,720 for portions of property within 5152 03:30:24,720 --> 03:30:28,560 Southwood. The recommended action is 5153 03:30:26,720 --> 03:30:29,760 option one, conduct the second and final 5154 03:30:28,560 --> 03:30:32,319 public hearing on the development 5155 03:30:29,760 --> 03:30:33,520 agreement and approve the agreement. I 5156 03:30:32,319 --> 03:30:35,680 understand John Reddic, growth 5157 03:30:33,520 --> 03:30:36,720 management director, is here um on this 5158 03:30:35,680 --> 03:30:38,160 item if necessary. 5159 03:30:36,720 --> 03:30:39,279 » Excellent. Do we have any public comment 5160 03:30:38,160 --> 03:30:40,800 on this item? 5161 03:30:39,279 --> 03:30:42,399 » Only speaker on this item is Aaron 5162 03:30:40,800 --> 03:30:43,040 Tilton again presumably to answer 5163 03:30:42,399 --> 03:30:45,439 questions. 5164 03:30:43,040 --> 03:30:47,279 » All right, colleagues direction. 5165 03:30:45,439 --> 03:30:49,359 » Move staff recommendation on option 5166 03:30:47,279 --> 03:30:51,200 number one. probably move option number 5167 03:30:49,359 --> 03:30:52,960 one by the mayor pro Tim, seconded by 5168 03:30:51,200 --> 03:30:54,399 Commissioner Williams Cox. Any further 5169 03:30:52,960 --> 03:30:56,880 discussion? Commissioner Matlo. 5170 03:30:54,399 --> 03:30:58,720 » Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, so I 5171 03:30:56,880 --> 03:31:01,760 notice on the attachment it says that 5172 03:30:58,720 --> 03:31:03,760 this uh was written by the developers 5173 03:31:01,760 --> 03:31:06,560 attorney. Did the city's attorney's 5174 03:31:03,760 --> 03:31:08,000 office uh write any part of this order? 5175 03:31:06,560 --> 03:31:10,000 » Madam Attorney, 5176 03:31:08,000 --> 03:31:11,920 » The Dr. Horton order? 5177 03:31:10,000 --> 03:31:15,840 » Yeah. Or the agreement? 5178 03:31:11,920 --> 03:31:19,600 » Uh, did we write any part of it? 5179 03:31:15,840 --> 03:31:22,479 Um, no. It was the draft was written by 5180 03:31:19,600 --> 03:31:24,239 uh Aaron Tilton. 5181 03:31:22,479 --> 03:31:26,560 Um 5182 03:31:24,239 --> 03:31:28,399 I'm I'm not sure on this one at what 5183 03:31:26,560 --> 03:31:29,439 point our office was involved in 5184 03:31:28,399 --> 03:31:30,399 reviewing it. 5185 03:31:29,439 --> 03:31:31,279 » Okay. And 5186 03:31:30,399 --> 03:31:32,479 » I'd have to ask 5187 03:31:31,279 --> 03:31:33,920 » Mr. M um 5188 03:31:32,479 --> 03:31:37,359 » Deputy I'd have to ask Deputy City 5189 03:31:33,920 --> 03:31:39,680 attorney L Norval at what point he was. 5190 03:31:37,359 --> 03:31:42,399 » All right, Mr. Matlo. 5191 03:31:39,680 --> 03:31:44,880 » Um so what specifically does this 5192 03:31:42,399 --> 03:31:46,319 agreement do? 5193 03:31:44,880 --> 03:31:49,600 Madam Attorney, 5194 03:31:46,319 --> 03:31:52,160 » So um 5195 03:31:49,600 --> 03:31:54,319 again I guess I would ask uh John Reick 5196 03:31:52,160 --> 03:31:56,000 if he could describe the development 5197 03:31:54,319 --> 03:31:58,160 agreement and then I can follow up with 5198 03:31:56,000 --> 03:31:58,640 any uh legal questions related to it. 5199 03:31:58,160 --> 03:32:01,439 But 5200 03:31:58,640 --> 03:32:05,200 » Mr. Reick, good to see you, sir. 5201 03:32:01,439 --> 03:32:07,439 So this agreement uh was provided to to 5202 03:32:05,200 --> 03:32:09,920 the city for consideration as the city 5203 03:32:07,439 --> 03:32:12,560 attorney stated as written uh by the 5204 03:32:09,920 --> 03:32:15,120 developers representatives. Uh and the 5205 03:32:12,560 --> 03:32:18,080 agreement is essentially to state that 5206 03:32:15,120 --> 03:32:20,479 Dr. Horton who uh as you know is working 5207 03:32:18,080 --> 03:32:21,920 through permitting for development of 5208 03:32:20,479 --> 03:32:24,960 three different tracks on the southern 5209 03:32:21,920 --> 03:32:27,439 part portion of the Southwood uh DRRI. 5210 03:32:24,960 --> 03:32:28,880 Uh they would like to have this where 5211 03:32:27,439 --> 03:32:31,200 they they're assuming the role of the 5212 03:32:28,880 --> 03:32:33,359 developer whereas the DRRI of course has 5213 03:32:31,200 --> 03:32:36,160 St. Joe currently identified as the role 5214 03:32:33,359 --> 03:32:38,160 of developer uh by way of doing that. 5215 03:32:36,160 --> 03:32:41,520 And part of this is they're assuming the 5216 03:32:38,160 --> 03:32:43,120 obligations of u roadway construction 5217 03:32:41,520 --> 03:32:47,600 through these areas that are outlined in 5218 03:32:43,120 --> 03:32:49,680 the Southwood DRRI. So what they are uh 5219 03:32:47,600 --> 03:32:51,600 recognized the familiarity with the 5220 03:32:49,680 --> 03:32:53,600 enforcement action associated with the 5221 03:32:51,600 --> 03:32:55,200 southwood DRRI based on the obligation 5222 03:32:53,600 --> 03:32:57,600 around the obligations to build those 5223 03:32:55,200 --> 03:32:59,920 those roadways. Their proposal through 5224 03:32:57,600 --> 03:33:02,479 this agreement is they'll assume the 5225 03:32:59,920 --> 03:33:04,080 obligations uh that the developer at St. 5226 03:33:02,479 --> 03:33:06,640 Joe would otherwise have had. They will 5227 03:33:04,080 --> 03:33:08,560 commit to building them all in time. um 5228 03:33:06,640 --> 03:33:13,920 they've you know through this would be 5229 03:33:08,560 --> 03:33:16,160 held accountable if there was any uh any 5230 03:33:13,920 --> 03:33:17,760 violation relative to what's outlined in 5231 03:33:16,160 --> 03:33:19,600 the south of DRRI for those specific 5232 03:33:17,760 --> 03:33:22,319 roadway segments. So this is Merchants 5233 03:33:19,600 --> 03:33:25,840 Row and Artemis Way two portions of 5234 03:33:22,319 --> 03:33:28,800 this. Um in return they wouldn't be held 5235 03:33:25,840 --> 03:33:31,279 accountable or or exposed to um any 5236 03:33:28,800 --> 03:33:34,080 enforcement action that may be a result 5237 03:33:31,279 --> 03:33:36,080 of violations occurring outside of these 5238 03:33:34,080 --> 03:33:37,760 tracks that they're developing. Okay. 5239 03:33:36,080 --> 03:33:40,319 And and that's what I my question is 5240 03:33:37,760 --> 03:33:42,720 about. So, uh the developers right to 5241 03:33:40,319 --> 03:33:45,840 proceed said that they can proceed 5242 03:33:42,720 --> 03:33:48,080 development on those specified lots even 5243 03:33:45,840 --> 03:33:51,120 if the internal roads aren't built. 5244 03:33:48,080 --> 03:33:52,640 » So, the the internals roads within what 5245 03:33:51,120 --> 03:33:55,760 they're developing would have to be 5246 03:33:52,640 --> 03:33:56,640 built certainly. And full transparency, 5247 03:33:55,760 --> 03:33:58,000 they're they're they're working through 5248 03:33:56,640 --> 03:34:00,640 that right now. The the development 5249 03:33:58,000 --> 03:34:02,640 plans that they are doing right now um 5250 03:34:00,640 --> 03:34:04,239 as part of their permitting process 5251 03:34:02,640 --> 03:34:06,640 incorporate these roadways right now. 5252 03:34:04,239 --> 03:34:08,399 So, it is dependent. I would I would say 5253 03:34:06,640 --> 03:34:10,000 not only are they required to to build 5254 03:34:08,399 --> 03:34:12,080 them, what they're proposing to do is 5255 03:34:10,000 --> 03:34:14,160 very much dependent from a traffic 5256 03:34:12,080 --> 03:34:15,520 analysis standpoint. It it doesn't 5257 03:34:14,160 --> 03:34:18,000 happen without them building these 5258 03:34:15,520 --> 03:34:19,279 roadways. So, that's all to say they 5259 03:34:18,000 --> 03:34:21,359 would very much still be on the hook for 5260 03:34:19,279 --> 03:34:22,800 what they are incorporating within their 5261 03:34:21,359 --> 03:34:25,680 development scope. 5262 03:34:22,800 --> 03:34:27,040 » And and St. Joe's the current owner and 5263 03:34:25,680 --> 03:34:27,920 they're obligated to build those 5264 03:34:27,040 --> 03:34:30,239 roadways. 5265 03:34:27,920 --> 03:34:33,680 » They are the current owner. I I would 5266 03:34:30,239 --> 03:34:35,200 also some of those questions to the to 5267 03:34:33,680 --> 03:34:37,200 the representative the developer too on 5268 03:34:35,200 --> 03:34:38,239 there any specifics. So I know as much 5269 03:34:37,200 --> 03:34:39,359 as the city is in terms of the 5270 03:34:38,239 --> 03:34:42,000 permitting process. 5271 03:34:39,359 --> 03:34:44,880 » So so what is the benefit to the city? 5272 03:34:42,000 --> 03:34:46,239 » I we would still I would say a net 5273 03:34:44,880 --> 03:34:49,520 neutral in the sense we still are 5274 03:34:46,239 --> 03:34:52,239 getting the the the roadway um the 5275 03:34:49,520 --> 03:34:53,520 roadways built that we intended through 5276 03:34:52,239 --> 03:34:59,279 our agreement with the DR within the 5277 03:34:53,520 --> 03:35:01,120 DRRi. um the you know greater value to 5278 03:34:59,279 --> 03:35:03,040 the home construction that's associated 5279 03:35:01,120 --> 03:35:06,160 with it. Um but certainly from an 5280 03:35:03,040 --> 03:35:07,760 infrastructure priority um the process 5281 03:35:06,160 --> 03:35:09,840 or the progress that's being made right 5282 03:35:07,760 --> 03:35:11,920 now uh towards constructing those 5283 03:35:09,840 --> 03:35:13,920 roadways is in line with and ahead of 5284 03:35:11,920 --> 03:35:15,359 schedule with what's stated in the 5285 03:35:13,920 --> 03:35:16,880 Southwood DRRI. 5286 03:35:15,359 --> 03:35:19,760 » And so have we done this type of 5287 03:35:16,880 --> 03:35:21,200 agreement before? I'm not familiar with 5288 03:35:19,760 --> 03:35:25,840 an agreement like this that would be a 5289 03:35:21,200 --> 03:35:28,239 carval from an existing agreement uh 5290 03:35:25,840 --> 03:35:29,439 with a I'll say a third party involved 5291 03:35:28,239 --> 03:35:32,560 in 5292 03:35:29,439 --> 03:35:35,439 » And so why are we doing this now 5293 03:35:32,560 --> 03:35:37,359 » This this was provided to us and and 5294 03:35:35,439 --> 03:35:39,040 ultimately you for consideration. So I 5295 03:35:37,359 --> 03:35:40,560 think it in that nature we would look 5296 03:35:39,040 --> 03:35:42,000 for your feedback as to whether it's 5297 03:35:40,560 --> 03:35:43,680 appropriate or not. 5298 03:35:42,000 --> 03:35:44,960 » Okay. And so this wasn't directed to be 5299 03:35:43,680 --> 03:35:46,720 brought by the city commission who put 5300 03:35:44,960 --> 03:35:49,120 it on the agenda. 5301 03:35:46,720 --> 03:35:51,680 » Correct. This is the our typical 5302 03:35:49,120 --> 03:35:53,439 procedure on a on a development 5303 03:35:51,680 --> 03:35:55,120 agreement request or even amendment to a 5304 03:35:53,439 --> 03:35:56,399 development agreement would be uh 5305 03:35:55,120 --> 03:35:58,000 submitting a through growth management. 5306 03:35:56,399 --> 03:35:59,760 There's a fee associated with that and 5307 03:35:58,000 --> 03:36:01,600 then from there processing it for for 5308 03:35:59,760 --> 03:36:02,960 the two public hearings for the for the 5309 03:36:01,600 --> 03:36:04,880 city commission to consider. 5310 03:36:02,960 --> 03:36:07,680 » So if I'm hearing you correctly, the 5311 03:36:04,880 --> 03:36:10,560 process is for a developer to submit a 5312 03:36:07,680 --> 03:36:12,720 fully written agreement and then have 5313 03:36:10,560 --> 03:36:16,160 that brought to the city commission. 5314 03:36:12,720 --> 03:36:17,520 » It is often uh produced that way. 5315 03:36:16,160 --> 03:36:21,760 » Another question. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 5316 03:36:17,520 --> 03:36:23,840 » Sure. Absolutely. Um, I let me pipe up 5317 03:36:21,760 --> 03:36:26,239 and say that we're at a point in the 5318 03:36:23,840 --> 03:36:28,239 process as the process is described. No, 5319 03:36:26,239 --> 03:36:30,080 commissioners do not ask for this 5320 03:36:28,239 --> 03:36:32,640 individually. The way how the process is 5321 03:36:30,080 --> 03:36:34,239 structured, it comes to us uh for 5322 03:36:32,640 --> 03:36:37,279 consideration moving forward. 5323 03:36:34,239 --> 03:36:38,960 Commissioner Matlo and um, Madame 5324 03:36:37,279 --> 03:36:40,640 Attorney, I know that your office has 5325 03:36:38,960 --> 03:36:42,160 had eyes on this and have looked at it. 5326 03:36:40,640 --> 03:36:43,920 I know that you've been in and out a 5327 03:36:42,160 --> 03:36:46,000 little bit lately. Uh, but I have full 5328 03:36:43,920 --> 03:36:46,640 confidence in your legal team. Yes, I 5329 03:36:46,000 --> 03:36:48,239 would like to 5330 03:36:46,640 --> 03:36:50,160 » Particular issue and if we need to dive 5331 03:36:48,239 --> 03:36:51,920 in, I know that Mr. Norll is here as 5332 03:36:50,160 --> 03:36:53,279 well. If I can help answer any 5333 03:36:51,920 --> 03:36:54,399 questions. I know you got caught off 5334 03:36:53,279 --> 03:36:55,359 guard there for a second. 5335 03:36:54,399 --> 03:36:57,120 » Oh, yes. Thank you. 5336 03:36:55,359 --> 03:36:59,120 » But but I but I know that you all been 5337 03:36:57,120 --> 03:37:00,720 engaged. So, there is a motion on the 5338 03:36:59,120 --> 03:37:01,840 table made by the mayor prom for 5339 03:37:00,720 --> 03:37:03,040 approval. Second by Commissioner 5340 03:37:01,840 --> 03:37:05,120 Williams Cox. Mayor Pro. 5341 03:37:03,040 --> 03:37:08,319 » Yeah. Just a quick question, Mr. Mayor. 5342 03:37:05,120 --> 03:37:10,960 Is it is it my understanding that this 5343 03:37:08,319 --> 03:37:15,760 helps us avoid the situation that we're 5344 03:37:10,960 --> 03:37:17,680 currently in in Southwood with 5345 03:37:15,760 --> 03:37:19,680 Yes, Commissioner. I believe that this 5346 03:37:17,680 --> 03:37:20,239 development agreement would address that 5347 03:37:19,680 --> 03:37:23,439 type of 5348 03:37:20,239 --> 03:37:27,680 » So, it would behove behoove us then to 5349 03:37:23,439 --> 03:37:28,960 agree to this type of uh agreement with 5350 03:37:27,680 --> 03:37:29,439 the developer. 5351 03:37:28,960 --> 03:37:30,640 » Correct. 5352 03:37:29,439 --> 03:37:30,960 » That's your decision. 5353 03:37:30,640 --> 03:37:32,399 » Okay. 5354 03:37:30,960 --> 03:37:33,680 » On point, Mr. Mayor. 5355 03:37:32,399 --> 03:37:34,080 » Commissioner Matler, then Commissioner 5356 03:37:33,680 --> 03:37:35,600 Porter. 5357 03:37:34,080 --> 03:37:37,600 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor, and and 5358 03:37:35,600 --> 03:37:39,680 Commissioner Erdson. My view is it does 5359 03:37:37,600 --> 03:37:42,880 uh the exact opposite. Um, it 5360 03:37:39,680 --> 03:37:44,800 relinquishes uh our ability to use these 5361 03:37:42,880 --> 03:37:46,960 parcels as part of enforcement against 5362 03:37:44,800 --> 03:37:49,439 St. Joe to develop the roadway and 5363 03:37:46,960 --> 03:37:51,520 allows these parcels to be developed uh 5364 03:37:49,439 --> 03:37:52,800 no matter if those roadways get built or 5365 03:37:51,520 --> 03:37:53,760 not. Mr. Mayor, 5366 03:37:52,800 --> 03:37:55,439 » Mr. Porter. 5367 03:37:53,760 --> 03:37:59,120 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. That's my reading 5368 03:37:55,439 --> 03:38:01,279 as well. I would like to hear more from 5369 03:37:59,120 --> 03:38:02,160 our city attorney as to why she believes 5370 03:38:01,279 --> 03:38:04,080 the contrary. 5371 03:38:02,160 --> 03:38:05,920 » Could I ask uh Mr. Noral to 5372 03:38:04,080 --> 03:38:08,920 » Mr. Noral, please come join us for the 5373 03:38:05,920 --> 03:38:08,920 fun. 5374 03:38:17,520 --> 03:38:21,200 And I'll just say while while Mr. 5375 03:38:19,279 --> 03:38:23,040 Norville is walking up, this is from the 5376 03:38:21,200 --> 03:38:24,800 agreement. Under the agreement or from 5377 03:38:23,040 --> 03:38:26,319 the item under the agreement, Dr. Horton 5378 03:38:24,800 --> 03:38:28,160 would be allowed to continue development 5379 03:38:26,319 --> 03:38:30,000 of its property regardless of the 5380 03:38:28,160 --> 03:38:32,319 construction and completion status of 5381 03:38:30,000 --> 03:38:34,239 other roads required by the Southwood 5382 03:38:32,319 --> 03:38:36,800 Development of Regional Impact 5383 03:38:34,239 --> 03:38:38,880 Development Order. 5384 03:38:36,800 --> 03:38:42,640 » Mr. Mayor, if could could I have the 5385 03:38:38,880 --> 03:38:43,760 question restated for me? 5386 03:38:42,640 --> 03:38:45,520 » Commissioner Porter. 5387 03:38:43,760 --> 03:38:48,640 » So, Commissioner Richardson's question 5388 03:38:45,520 --> 03:38:51,840 was, "Do this does this agreement help 5389 03:38:48,640 --> 03:38:53,920 us avoid what we are going through with 5390 03:38:51,840 --> 03:38:57,600 St. Joe?" 5391 03:38:53,920 --> 03:38:59,040 And the city attorney's answer was yes. 5392 03:38:57,600 --> 03:39:01,120 But that's not how I read this 5393 03:38:59,040 --> 03:39:03,840 agreement. 5394 03:39:01,120 --> 03:39:07,520 It seems like it leaves St. Joe fully 5395 03:39:03,840 --> 03:39:09,920 off the hook and the roads being built. 5396 03:39:07,520 --> 03:39:11,359 I mean, I'll just start by asking, was 5397 03:39:09,920 --> 03:39:14,160 this agreement prompted by the 5398 03:39:11,359 --> 03:39:16,640 enforcement action against St. Joe? Is 5399 03:39:14,160 --> 03:39:18,960 that why it's coming to us now? 5400 03:39:16,640 --> 03:39:20,560 » So, Commissioner, I'd have to defer to 5401 03:39:18,960 --> 03:39:22,399 somebody else. What I've understood, and 5402 03:39:20,560 --> 03:39:25,040 I mean, at least what this this office 5403 03:39:22,399 --> 03:39:27,439 saw is is that this uh there was an 5404 03:39:25,040 --> 03:39:29,600 application that was submitted. Uh, it 5405 03:39:27,439 --> 03:39:31,680 did come the draft agreement did come to 5406 03:39:29,600 --> 03:39:34,080 the city attorney's office and it did go 5407 03:39:31,680 --> 03:39:36,560 to growth management. 5408 03:39:34,080 --> 03:39:38,479 » Okay. So, as to Commissioner 5409 03:39:36,560 --> 03:39:39,439 Richardson's question, can you address 5410 03:39:38,479 --> 03:39:41,680 that? 5411 03:39:39,439 --> 03:39:44,319 » So, some of this may be just kind of 5412 03:39:41,680 --> 03:39:46,239 practical application that others may be 5413 03:39:44,319 --> 03:39:48,080 able to speak to better. I mean, as I 5414 03:39:46,239 --> 03:39:51,279 understand it, part of this is to give 5415 03:39:48,080 --> 03:39:54,239 some assurance to uh this developer here 5416 03:39:51,279 --> 03:39:55,680 that they can go forward. Uh John may be 5417 03:39:54,239 --> 03:39:58,239 able to speak to kind of where things 5418 03:39:55,680 --> 03:40:01,279 are on permitting, but I as I understand 5419 03:39:58,239 --> 03:40:04,720 it because of some uncertainty 5420 03:40:01,279 --> 03:40:06,880 uh uh with the the uh enforcement action 5421 03:40:04,720 --> 03:40:08,960 that this does give certainty to this 5422 03:40:06,880 --> 03:40:11,600 developer to go forward with permitting 5423 03:40:08,960 --> 03:40:13,760 to and to build uh homes and there there 5424 03:40:11,600 --> 03:40:15,600 are the asurances that this Artemis Way 5425 03:40:13,760 --> 03:40:16,800 and merchants would be. 5426 03:40:15,600 --> 03:40:17,680 » Okay. Thank you. 5427 03:40:16,800 --> 03:40:19,279 » Order. 5428 03:40:17,680 --> 03:40:21,760 » Okay. Commissioner Williams Cox. 5429 03:40:19,279 --> 03:40:24,239 » Thank you. Uh Mr. Mayor uh Erin Tilton 5430 03:40:21,760 --> 03:40:25,920 is here and I think she's here. We might 5431 03:40:24,239 --> 03:40:28,479 as well give her opportunity to explain 5432 03:40:25,920 --> 03:40:31,120 since she's representing Dr. Horton. 5433 03:40:28,479 --> 03:40:32,960 » Tilton, thank you for joining us. 5434 03:40:31,120 --> 03:40:35,279 » Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. 5435 03:40:32,960 --> 03:40:37,359 Uh Aaron Tilton, 106 East College 5436 03:40:35,279 --> 03:40:39,200 Avenue, uh Sterns Weaver Miller on 5437 03:40:37,359 --> 03:40:40,479 behalf of Dr. Horton. Um you know, 5438 03:40:39,200 --> 03:40:42,319 commissioners, I think there are a 5439 03:40:40,479 --> 03:40:45,200 couple of questions about Chapter 163 5440 03:40:42,319 --> 03:40:47,680 development agreements generally. um 5441 03:40:45,200 --> 03:40:50,000 they are used in pretty much every 5442 03:40:47,680 --> 03:40:52,239 jurisdiction across the state to 5443 03:40:50,000 --> 03:40:56,080 encourage private investment in capital 5444 03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:57,760 infrastructure. And and the the way that 5445 03:40:56,080 --> 03:40:59,439 you do that through a chapter 163 5446 03:40:57,760 --> 03:41:01,520 agreement is you provide the applicant 5447 03:40:59,439 --> 03:41:03,200 with assurances that if it makes these 5448 03:41:01,520 --> 03:41:04,960 very significant investments in 5449 03:41:03,200 --> 03:41:06,800 infrastructure that are going to be 5450 03:41:04,960 --> 03:41:09,200 built out over time that those 5451 03:41:06,800 --> 03:41:11,040 investments are not interrupted by 5452 03:41:09,200 --> 03:41:14,399 changes in the in the status quo during 5453 03:41:11,040 --> 03:41:15,359 the the course of the development. Um, 5454 03:41:14,399 --> 03:41:16,479 sorry, Commissioner Porter. 5455 03:41:15,359 --> 03:41:18,239 » No, I'm just I would like to be 5456 03:41:16,479 --> 03:41:19,359 recognized when you finish. Okay. Thank 5457 03:41:18,239 --> 03:41:21,040 you. 5458 03:41:19,359 --> 03:41:23,279 » Um, 5459 03:41:21,040 --> 03:41:25,200 so that's particularly important in a 5460 03:41:23,279 --> 03:41:26,800 very largecale master plan community 5461 03:41:25,200 --> 03:41:28,880 like Southwood again that has 5462 03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:31,760 significant infrastructure that is built 5463 03:41:28,880 --> 03:41:34,399 out over a long period of time. Um and 5464 03:41:31,760 --> 03:41:36,160 so in protecting that the private 5465 03:41:34,399 --> 03:41:37,600 investment what what the city 5466 03:41:36,160 --> 03:41:40,880 additionally gets through a development 5467 03:41:37,600 --> 03:41:42,800 agreement is another mechanism to 5468 03:41:40,880 --> 03:41:44,479 enforce the applicant's infrastructure 5469 03:41:42,800 --> 03:41:46,239 obligations. So you ask the question 5470 03:41:44,479 --> 03:41:48,000 does this help us avoid a situation like 5471 03:41:46,239 --> 03:41:50,880 we have with St. Joe in the future. You 5472 03:41:48,000 --> 03:41:53,680 would have the same exact um you know 5473 03:41:50,880 --> 03:41:55,600 enforcement capabilities under the DRRI 5474 03:41:53,680 --> 03:41:57,439 development order with regard to the 5475 03:41:55,600 --> 03:41:59,760 roadway obligations that Dr. Horton is 5476 03:41:57,439 --> 03:42:02,080 agreeing to assume. You would also have 5477 03:41:59,760 --> 03:42:04,399 contractual obligations and statutory 5478 03:42:02,080 --> 03:42:06,399 remedies in addition to what's allowed 5479 03:42:04,399 --> 03:42:08,160 in your DRI development order that you 5480 03:42:06,399 --> 03:42:10,160 could enforce if those roadways are not 5481 03:42:08,160 --> 03:42:11,439 completed. Under this agreement, Dr. 5482 03:42:10,160 --> 03:42:13,520 Horton has to complete those 5483 03:42:11,439 --> 03:42:16,239 improvements on the same schedule that 5484 03:42:13,520 --> 03:42:18,880 is currently laid out in exhibit G to 5485 03:42:16,239 --> 03:42:22,000 the DRRI and those are associated with 5486 03:42:18,880 --> 03:42:24,160 MDR19 and 20. So they are in the pods 5487 03:42:22,000 --> 03:42:26,080 that Dr. Horton will be developing. They 5488 03:42:24,160 --> 03:42:27,600 are on the south side of the Southwood 5489 03:42:26,080 --> 03:42:30,560 DRI. They are nowhere near Orange 5490 03:42:27,600 --> 03:42:32,479 Avenue. Um, 5491 03:42:30,560 --> 03:42:33,680 Dr. Horton has multiple, as you, as you 5492 03:42:32,479 --> 03:42:35,520 noted, Commissioner Malo, they have 5493 03:42:33,680 --> 03:42:37,760 multiple properties under contract 5494 03:42:35,520 --> 03:42:39,439 within the Southwood DRRi. They have not 5495 03:42:37,760 --> 03:42:40,720 asked for this development agreement to 5496 03:42:39,439 --> 03:42:42,399 cover all of those properties. They've 5497 03:42:40,720 --> 03:42:44,160 asked for it to cover the properties 5498 03:42:42,399 --> 03:42:46,160 where they are building their own 5499 03:42:44,160 --> 03:42:47,920 infrastructure independent of what St. 5500 03:42:46,160 --> 03:42:50,000 Joe may have obligated in other places 5501 03:42:47,920 --> 03:42:53,880 within the DR. 5502 03:42:50,000 --> 03:42:53,880 » Commission Porter, you're recognized. 5503 03:42:54,080 --> 03:42:57,439 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I understand 5504 03:42:55,760 --> 03:43:01,200 the point of a development agreement and 5505 03:42:57,439 --> 03:43:03,840 I and I know that the roads are not that 5506 03:43:01,200 --> 03:43:05,120 in question with St. Joe are not here. I 5507 03:43:03,840 --> 03:43:07,040 do have to say it makes me 5508 03:43:05,120 --> 03:43:09,279 uncomfortable. I mean I would prefer to 5509 03:43:07,040 --> 03:43:11,439 hear from our own staff about the public 5510 03:43:09,279 --> 03:43:13,840 benefit of an agreement like this and 5511 03:43:11,439 --> 03:43:16,479 not from the developers attorney. But I 5512 03:43:13,840 --> 03:43:18,880 do appreciate that explanation. But I I 5513 03:43:16,479 --> 03:43:21,520 mean I think it is you know we have been 5514 03:43:18,880 --> 03:43:23,040 through this before. I'll let this go 5515 03:43:21,520 --> 03:43:26,160 because we still have other items to 5516 03:43:23,040 --> 03:43:29,199 hear to hear from. But, you know, the 5517 03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:32,960 way I see this, this is a giveaway to 5518 03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:34,560 St. Joe. We frankly didn't do what we 5519 03:43:32,960 --> 03:43:38,640 needed to do to make sure that that 5520 03:43:34,560 --> 03:43:40,479 development agreement was upheld and now 5521 03:43:38,640 --> 03:43:43,359 we're giving them an out because they 5522 03:43:40,479 --> 03:43:45,520 don't want to develop that area anymore. 5523 03:43:43,359 --> 03:43:48,479 So, I have concerns about this and 5524 03:43:45,520 --> 03:43:50,160 concerns about this process, frankly. 5525 03:43:48,479 --> 03:43:50,960 So, that's where I'm at. Thank you. I'm 5526 03:43:50,160 --> 03:43:52,239 ready to move on. 5527 03:43:50,960 --> 03:43:53,760 » Commissioner Porter, we can spend as 5528 03:43:52,239 --> 03:43:55,199 much time as you'd like on this issue. 5529 03:43:53,760 --> 03:43:56,640 So, I don't want you to feel rushed. If 5530 03:43:55,199 --> 03:43:58,960 you have additional questions or 5531 03:43:56,640 --> 03:44:00,000 comments, right back in. Commissioner 5532 03:43:58,960 --> 03:44:02,399 Williams Cox. 5533 03:44:00,000 --> 03:44:03,760 » Um, I think the net net is out of when 5534 03:44:02,399 --> 03:44:05,359 all of this is said and done, how many 5535 03:44:03,760 --> 03:44:08,359 homes are we're anticipating being 5536 03:44:05,359 --> 03:44:08,359 built? 5537 03:44:09,040 --> 03:44:14,479 » So, LSF11 and MDR20 are single family. 5538 03:44:12,640 --> 03:44:19,479 19 is both a combination of multif 5539 03:44:14,479 --> 03:44:19,479 family and single family. Number 5540 03:44:20,560 --> 03:44:25,199 » Around 800 units when you include multi. 5541 03:44:22,640 --> 03:44:27,120 » Okay. So, how the city benefits is that 5542 03:44:25,199 --> 03:44:27,600 we have a housing inventory that we're 5543 03:44:27,120 --> 03:44:30,880 trying to 5544 03:44:27,600 --> 03:44:32,399 » You do and it's also at a a price park a 5545 03:44:30,880 --> 03:44:33,359 price point that does not currently 5546 03:44:32,399 --> 03:44:35,359 exist in the market. 5547 03:44:33,359 --> 03:44:37,439 » Right. So, that you know after all of 5548 03:44:35,359 --> 03:44:39,439 this is said and done, the net net is 5549 03:44:37,439 --> 03:44:41,520 that how we how it benefits the city and 5550 03:44:39,439 --> 03:44:44,640 its residents is growing number of 5551 03:44:41,520 --> 03:44:46,479 residents is housing. Um and and to help 5552 03:44:44,640 --> 03:44:48,560 make it affordable because we have more 5553 03:44:46,479 --> 03:44:50,960 housing in the inventory to be 5554 03:44:48,560 --> 03:44:52,319 competitive with other other housing. 5555 03:44:50,960 --> 03:44:54,560 » Absolutely, Commissioner. And I' I'd 5556 03:44:52,319 --> 03:44:56,319 also say the alternative with the 5557 03:44:54,560 --> 03:44:58,479 current situation with Southwood and St. 5558 03:44:56,319 --> 03:44:59,920 Joe and potential non-compliance without 5559 03:44:58,479 --> 03:45:02,160 something like a development agreement 5560 03:44:59,920 --> 03:45:03,520 in place. You're essentially looking at 5561 03:45:02,160 --> 03:45:04,960 no one is coming in to build in 5562 03:45:03,520 --> 03:45:06,720 Southwood. 5563 03:45:04,960 --> 03:45:07,120 » Thank you. Commissioner Matlo, you have 5564 03:45:06,720 --> 03:45:09,199 questions. 5565 03:45:07,120 --> 03:45:12,720 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, just one. 5566 03:45:09,199 --> 03:45:14,479 So, so what's your understanding of Dr. 5567 03:45:12,720 --> 03:45:16,720 Horton's ability to develop on these 5568 03:45:14,479 --> 03:45:18,319 lots with those other roads not being 5569 03:45:16,720 --> 03:45:19,840 constructed that are not included? 5570 03:45:18,319 --> 03:45:21,359 » With which other roads specifically? uh 5571 03:45:19,840 --> 03:45:22,399 the Orange Avenue extension in 5572 03:45:21,359 --> 03:45:24,479 Builtmore. 5573 03:45:22,399 --> 03:45:25,680 » My understanding of their ability to 5574 03:45:24,479 --> 03:45:26,479 build on these roadways today is that 5575 03:45:25,680 --> 03:45:28,479 they are not covered by the 5576 03:45:26,479 --> 03:45:30,960 non-compliance finding. So they would be 5577 03:45:28,479 --> 03:45:32,960 able to build today. Now whether that 5578 03:45:30,960 --> 03:45:35,279 non-compliance area is expanded in the 5579 03:45:32,960 --> 03:45:37,920 future um is a is a big question mark. 5580 03:45:35,279 --> 03:45:39,120 » Okay. And so I asked John the same 5581 03:45:37,920 --> 03:45:39,840 question. What's the purpose of this 5582 03:45:39,120 --> 03:45:41,279 agreement? 5583 03:45:39,840 --> 03:45:42,960 » The purpose of this agreement is to 5584 03:45:41,279 --> 03:45:44,960 provide stability for the significant 5585 03:45:42,960 --> 03:45:46,080 investment that Dr. Horton is making in 5586 03:45:44,960 --> 03:45:47,680 taking on those infrastructure 5587 03:45:46,080 --> 03:45:48,960 obligations that would not otherwise be 5588 03:45:47,680 --> 03:45:50,479 theirs. 5589 03:45:48,960 --> 03:45:52,560 Okay. Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. 5590 03:45:50,479 --> 03:45:54,000 » Got a motion on the table made by the 5591 03:45:52,560 --> 03:45:55,439 mayor pro Tim, second by Commissioner 5592 03:45:54,000 --> 03:45:57,439 Williams Cox. All those in favor of the 5593 03:45:55,439 --> 03:45:59,040 motion signify by saying I. I. 5594 03:45:57,439 --> 03:46:00,479 » All those opposed. 5595 03:45:59,040 --> 03:46:02,479 » Passes three to two with Commissioner 5596 03:46:00,479 --> 03:46:04,479 Matloo and Commissioner Porter against. 5597 03:46:02,479 --> 03:46:06,479 We're on item number 16.4. Madame 5598 03:46:04,479 --> 03:46:08,960 Attorney. 5599 03:46:06,479 --> 03:46:11,760 » Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is the 5600 03:46:08,960 --> 03:46:13,359 first of two um item number 16.04 is the 5601 03:46:11,760 --> 03:46:15,359 first of two public hearings on the 5602 03:46:13,359 --> 03:46:17,680 third amended and restated canopy 5603 03:46:15,359 --> 03:46:19,600 development agreement. the second public 5604 03:46:17,680 --> 03:46:22,319 hearing scheduled for September 23rd, 5605 03:46:19,600 --> 03:46:23,920 2026. The recommended action is option 5606 03:46:22,319 --> 03:46:25,199 one, conduct the first public hearing on 5607 03:46:23,920 --> 03:46:26,720 the development agreement and schedule 5608 03:46:25,199 --> 03:46:29,920 the second and final public hearing for 5609 03:46:26,720 --> 03:46:31,359 September 23rd, 2026 at 6 p.m. in the 5610 03:46:29,920 --> 03:46:33,359 City of Tallahassee city commission 5611 03:46:31,359 --> 03:46:35,199 chambers at city hall. Again, John 5612 03:46:33,359 --> 03:46:36,960 Reick, uh, growth management director, 5613 03:46:35,199 --> 03:46:38,000 will present this item or is available 5614 03:46:36,960 --> 03:46:39,279 to answer questions. 5615 03:46:38,000 --> 03:46:40,880 » Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Do we have any 5616 03:46:39,279 --> 03:46:42,160 public comment on this item? 5617 03:46:40,880 --> 03:46:43,920 » Mayor, again, I [clears throat] have two 5618 03:46:42,160 --> 03:46:46,720 speakers on this item. I assume both to 5619 03:46:43,920 --> 03:46:48,000 answer questions. Lynn Adams Takis and 5620 03:46:46,720 --> 03:46:51,080 Aaron Tilton. 5621 03:46:48,000 --> 03:46:51,080 » All right. 5622 03:46:52,319 --> 03:46:55,520 Say that again. 5623 03:46:54,319 --> 03:46:58,319 We're gonna get there in just a second. 5624 03:46:55,520 --> 03:47:01,840 Yes, ma'am. Um, do either one of our 5625 03:46:58,319 --> 03:47:03,520 public speakers want to speak? 5626 03:47:01,840 --> 03:47:06,520 Okay. Excellent. Let's go with the 5627 03:47:03,520 --> 03:47:06,520 presentation. 5628 03:47:07,120 --> 03:47:11,680 » Thank you, mayor. I don't have a 5629 03:47:09,279 --> 03:47:13,279 presentation on this. I am just availed 5630 03:47:11,680 --> 03:47:15,040 for questions if we need to. Similar to 5631 03:47:13,279 --> 03:47:17,760 the pri previous item, this was 5632 03:47:15,040 --> 03:47:19,840 submitted for consideration to staff um 5633 03:47:17,760 --> 03:47:21,439 stated this would be the first of of two 5634 03:47:19,840 --> 03:47:23,199 public hearings. Your your recommended 5635 03:47:21,439 --> 03:47:24,960 action is essentially to hold the per 5636 03:47:23,199 --> 03:47:27,359 first public hearing and schedule the 5637 03:47:24,960 --> 03:47:28,880 second. Um I think at this point the the 5638 03:47:27,359 --> 03:47:33,600 proposal that was submitted to us the 5639 03:47:28,880 --> 03:47:35,279 primary um the the primary uh component 5640 03:47:33,600 --> 03:47:37,600 of of an amendment to the canopy 5641 03:47:35,279 --> 03:47:40,080 development agreement uh would be 5642 03:47:37,600 --> 03:47:42,640 amending the the developer's obligation 5643 03:47:40,080 --> 03:47:46,080 um or or intent I should say to 5644 03:47:42,640 --> 03:47:49,600 construct the roadway connection denso 5645 03:47:46,080 --> 03:47:51,600 um at Mkasuki uh currently terminates 5646 03:47:49,600 --> 03:47:53,920 essentially at the bounds of the Mkasuki 5647 03:47:51,600 --> 03:47:55,359 greenway uh what is contemplated 5648 03:47:53,920 --> 03:47:57,199 certainly the development agreement and 5649 03:47:55,359 --> 03:47:59,359 the plan unit development to extend 5650 03:47:57,199 --> 03:48:01,840 across the greenway and tie in with the 5651 03:47:59,359 --> 03:48:03,680 existing uh where [snorts] Mayo 5652 03:48:01,840 --> 03:48:07,040 currently approaches from the east or 5653 03:48:03,680 --> 03:48:09,199 excuse me from the south into Suki. Uh 5654 03:48:07,040 --> 03:48:10,800 so there are other components that that 5655 03:48:09,199 --> 03:48:13,040 were submitted that have been submitted 5656 03:48:10,800 --> 03:48:16,720 for consideration. Uh I'll say the bulk 5657 03:48:13,040 --> 03:48:18,960 of it in terms of individual items is 5658 03:48:16,720 --> 03:48:21,920 acknowledging a lot of obligations that 5659 03:48:18,960 --> 03:48:23,439 were uh you know expected when this was 5660 03:48:21,920 --> 03:48:26,560 originally drafted but have since been 5661 03:48:23,439 --> 03:48:30,560 fulfilled. Um there's also uh proposed 5662 03:48:26,560 --> 03:48:32,160 revisions to the the bus shelter 5663 03:48:30,560 --> 03:48:36,080 requirements within it. There's a 5664 03:48:32,160 --> 03:48:37,520 recognition of the uh termination of the 5665 03:48:36,080 --> 03:48:41,760 inclusionary housing agreement which 5666 03:48:37,520 --> 03:48:44,720 occurred in 2024. Um so with that I I 5667 03:48:41,760 --> 03:48:46,319 would certainly uh 5668 03:48:44,720 --> 03:48:48,399 hand off any questions of of the 5669 03:48:46,319 --> 03:48:50,720 proposal and the the details behind it 5670 03:48:48,399 --> 03:48:53,279 to the representative uh present for the 5671 03:48:50,720 --> 03:48:55,680 developer. Um but with that from south 5672 03:48:53,279 --> 03:48:57,199 side we would look for your direction uh 5673 03:48:55,680 --> 03:49:00,080 on this proposal. Let's 5674 03:48:57,199 --> 03:49:02,479 » Go back to public comment. Mr. Clerk 5675 03:49:00,080 --> 03:49:05,880 » Two speakers on the item. Mayor uh Lynn 5676 03:49:02,479 --> 03:49:05,880 Adams Takis. 5677 03:49:09,120 --> 03:49:11,359 » Excellent. Your name and address for the 5678 03:49:10,720 --> 03:49:14,080 record. 5679 03:49:11,359 --> 03:49:16,560 » Lyn Adams Tacis 2133 Miller Landing 5680 03:49:14,080 --> 03:49:18,000 Road. And unfortunately I don't have 5681 03:49:16,560 --> 03:49:20,080 prepared comments so I just went ahead 5682 03:49:18,000 --> 03:49:22,800 and brought this with me. Um, some of 5683 03:49:20,080 --> 03:49:25,359 the main components of this developer 5684 03:49:22,800 --> 03:49:28,319 agreement, which again is written by the 5685 03:49:25,359 --> 03:49:30,399 developer in their best interest, is 5686 03:49:28,319 --> 03:49:32,880 that road construction responsibilities 5687 03:49:30,399 --> 03:49:35,520 will shift to taxpayers. And let's just 5688 03:49:32,880 --> 03:49:38,319 all remember Wani Boulevard is already 5689 03:49:35,520 --> 03:49:40,000 being built to help support these luxury 5690 03:49:38,319 --> 03:49:41,520 developments. 5691 03:49:40,000 --> 03:49:44,080 I think the original cost was supposed 5692 03:49:41,520 --> 03:49:47,199 to be $78 million. 5693 03:49:44,080 --> 03:49:49,199 Currently, it's at $22 million. is the 5694 03:49:47,199 --> 03:49:51,840 most expensive of three major roadway 5695 03:49:49,199 --> 03:49:54,960 projects going on for blueprint that all 5696 03:49:51,840 --> 03:49:57,199 combined do about 15 miles of road, a 5697 03:49:54,960 --> 03:49:59,439 little less, and over half a billion 5698 03:49:57,199 --> 03:50:01,600 dollars. So, if we're looking for 5699 03:49:59,439 --> 03:50:03,760 opportunities to help, you know, balance 5700 03:50:01,600 --> 03:50:05,439 our budget. I think one of the main 5701 03:50:03,760 --> 03:50:08,160 things I would look at is not taking 5702 03:50:05,439 --> 03:50:10,160 over responsibilities for the public to 5703 03:50:08,160 --> 03:50:12,960 pay for roads that the developer is 5704 03:50:10,160 --> 03:50:15,520 obligated to do. uh Canopy would get 5705 03:50:12,960 --> 03:50:18,239 reserved road capacity even if the roads 5706 03:50:15,520 --> 03:50:20,720 become congested. The development can 5707 03:50:18,239 --> 03:50:23,040 change without amending the agreement 5708 03:50:20,720 --> 03:50:26,800 which also cuts the public out of making 5709 03:50:23,040 --> 03:50:29,040 comments. The um agreement would lock in 5710 03:50:26,800 --> 03:50:31,199 provisions for 15 years under the 5711 03:50:29,040 --> 03:50:32,800 current development code. And I don't 5712 03:50:31,199 --> 03:50:34,880 know if y'all have noticed, but we've 5713 03:50:32,800 --> 03:50:38,640 had a lot of extreme heat days this 5714 03:50:34,880 --> 03:50:40,720 summer. It is so dadum hot. And a big 5715 03:50:38,640 --> 03:50:42,239 reason for that is because we keep 5716 03:50:40,720 --> 03:50:43,600 taking all the trees out. And I know 5717 03:50:42,239 --> 03:50:46,399 everybody's like, "Oh my gosh, a tree 5718 03:50:43,600 --> 03:50:48,160 hugger." But trees matter and we have 5719 03:50:46,399 --> 03:50:51,199 opportunities to keep more of them in 5720 03:50:48,160 --> 03:50:53,359 what is our open space, green space, 5721 03:50:51,199 --> 03:50:55,760 which right now lets you just clear 5722 03:50:53,359 --> 03:50:58,399 everything out and put sod on it. And so 5723 03:50:55,760 --> 03:51:00,800 we may, Lord willing, change our 5724 03:50:58,399 --> 03:51:03,680 development code in the future to keep 5725 03:51:00,800 --> 03:51:06,880 more of our forested areas in what is 5726 03:51:03,680 --> 03:51:09,199 already set aside space. But under this 5727 03:51:06,880 --> 03:51:11,439 new development code or de developer 5728 03:51:09,199 --> 03:51:14,640 agreement, if we were to change that in 5729 03:51:11,439 --> 03:51:16,720 the next 15 years, it won't matter 5730 03:51:14,640 --> 03:51:18,640 because they won't be obligated to 5731 03:51:16,720 --> 03:51:21,199 follow the new code. So, you're 5732 03:51:18,640 --> 03:51:24,560 handcuffing a future commission. The 5733 03:51:21,199 --> 03:51:28,000 other is that part of Wani Boulevard in 5734 03:51:24,560 --> 03:51:30,640 this development agreement says it'll be 5735 03:51:28,000 --> 03:51:33,359 six lanes. And I don't think a lot of 5736 03:51:30,640 --> 03:51:35,279 people realize that what part of Wani 5737 03:51:33,359 --> 03:51:38,000 Boulevard will be is equal to what we 5738 03:51:35,279 --> 03:51:39,920 have on Thomasville Road. So there's a 5739 03:51:38,000 --> 03:51:42,239 lot of important parts to this that I 5740 03:51:39,920 --> 03:51:44,160 think you know the developers going to 5741 03:51:42,239 --> 03:51:46,880 ride it in their best interest. And what 5742 03:51:44,160 --> 03:51:48,560 we need y'all to do is to look out for 5743 03:51:46,880 --> 03:51:51,040 our best interests. 5744 03:51:48,560 --> 03:51:53,680 » And that is what I'm asking you to do. 5745 03:51:51,040 --> 03:51:56,160 Please do not just vote for this next 5746 03:51:53,680 --> 03:51:58,800 time it's up. actually look out for the 5747 03:51:56,160 --> 03:52:02,319 public because right now Wani Boulevard 5748 03:51:58,800 --> 03:52:05,359 is already a boon doggle. So, let's not 5749 03:52:02,319 --> 03:52:08,640 add to it and let's not add to what 5750 03:52:05,359 --> 03:52:10,960 taxpayers are paying and keep raising 5751 03:52:08,640 --> 03:52:15,880 their taxes while we're giving 5752 03:52:10,960 --> 03:52:15,880 developers a free ride. Thank you. 5753 03:52:16,239 --> 03:52:20,359 » Next speaker is Aaron Tilton. 5754 03:52:21,120 --> 03:52:22,800 » Your name and address for the record, 5755 03:52:22,479 --> 03:52:24,399 please. 5756 03:52:22,800 --> 03:52:26,239 » Thank you, commissioners. Aaron Tilton, 5757 03:52:24,399 --> 03:52:28,239 106 East College Avenue, Sterns Weaver 5758 03:52:26,239 --> 03:52:30,080 Miller on behalf of the applicant. Um, 5759 03:52:28,239 --> 03:52:31,439 as uh Mr. Reic mentioned, the item 5760 03:52:30,080 --> 03:52:33,439 before you is an amendment to the 5761 03:52:31,439 --> 03:52:34,880 development agreement for Canopy. That 5762 03:52:33,439 --> 03:52:37,920 development agreement was originally 5763 03:52:34,880 --> 03:52:40,080 approved in 2011. It's been amended just 5764 03:52:37,920 --> 03:52:42,960 about once every five or six years since 5765 03:52:40,080 --> 03:52:45,520 2011. Uh, which again with a large-scale 5766 03:52:42,960 --> 03:52:49,680 master plan community built out over a, 5767 03:52:45,520 --> 03:52:52,560 you know, a decent span of time, that is 5768 03:52:49,680 --> 03:52:53,760 fairly common. Um so the project had the 5769 03:52:52,560 --> 03:52:57,359 development agreement has been amended 5770 03:52:53,760 --> 03:52:59,520 in 2016 2020 and now 2026 you have this 5771 03:52:57,359 --> 03:53:01,040 amendment before you. Um importantly 5772 03:52:59,520 --> 03:53:03,600 there's no changes being proposed to the 5773 03:53:01,040 --> 03:53:05,920 development program here. Uh this is 5774 03:53:03,600 --> 03:53:08,080 really entirely clean up of existing 5775 03:53:05,920 --> 03:53:09,680 obligations and clarification where 5776 03:53:08,080 --> 03:53:11,359 we've realized over time that that was 5777 03:53:09,680 --> 03:53:14,720 needed. I want to talk real quick about 5778 03:53:11,359 --> 03:53:17,040 the roadway. Um, the origin of that 5779 03:53:14,720 --> 03:53:19,040 extension of Dempsey Mayo across the 5780 03:53:17,040 --> 03:53:21,760 greenway to connect to Mkasuki Road 5781 03:53:19,040 --> 03:53:23,600 actually dates back to 1998. Uh, when 5782 03:53:21,760 --> 03:53:26,080 the landowner initially conveyed the 5783 03:53:23,600 --> 03:53:28,000 greenway to the trust for public land, a 5784 03:53:26,080 --> 03:53:30,479 easement across the greenway was 5785 03:53:28,000 --> 03:53:32,960 reserved for future roadway access. Uh 5786 03:53:30,479 --> 03:53:35,760 in 2002 when the city and the county 5787 03:53:32,960 --> 03:53:37,520 adopted the Wani critical area plan uh 5788 03:53:35,760 --> 03:53:40,960 they adopted a policy that provided for 5789 03:53:37,520 --> 03:53:42,640 road access at uh Mkasuki and Dempsey 5790 03:53:40,960 --> 03:53:45,279 Mayo across the greenway within that 5791 03:53:42,640 --> 03:53:46,880 reserved easement if it was determined 5792 03:53:45,279 --> 03:53:49,120 by the local government that a 5793 03:53:46,880 --> 03:53:52,000 connection would have a desirable impact 5794 03:53:49,120 --> 03:53:54,160 on the Mkasuki Canopy Road. That issue 5795 03:53:52,000 --> 03:53:57,279 came in front of your predecessors in 5796 03:53:54,160 --> 03:53:58,880 2006 that your predecessor commission 5797 03:53:57,279 --> 03:54:00,479 based on an expert report and analysis 5798 03:53:58,880 --> 03:54:02,720 that were submitted by the land owner 5799 03:54:00,479 --> 03:54:05,040 found that that connection point would 5800 03:54:02,720 --> 03:54:07,120 have a desirable impact and that was 5801 03:54:05,040 --> 03:54:09,520 memorialized in a prior agreement we 5802 03:54:07,120 --> 03:54:11,680 refer to as the amended and restated uh 5803 03:54:09,520 --> 03:54:14,399 USA. 5804 03:54:11,680 --> 03:54:17,279 That agreement says the city and owners 5805 03:54:14,399 --> 03:54:20,560 agree that the owners shall be entitled 5806 03:54:17,279 --> 03:54:22,880 to access Mkasuki Road at Dempsey Mayo 5807 03:54:20,560 --> 03:54:25,680 within that reserved access easement. So 5808 03:54:22,880 --> 03:54:29,040 sometime between 2006 and the present 5809 03:54:25,680 --> 03:54:31,279 day, this narrative has has come forward 5810 03:54:29,040 --> 03:54:33,600 that the developer is obligated to build 5811 03:54:31,279 --> 03:54:34,880 that roadway. That was never the case. 5812 03:54:33,600 --> 03:54:37,040 It's never been in the development 5813 03:54:34,880 --> 03:54:38,800 agreement. It's never been in the PUD. 5814 03:54:37,040 --> 03:54:40,800 It's never been in the Wani critical 5815 03:54:38,800 --> 03:54:42,640 area plan. It has always been that the 5816 03:54:40,800 --> 03:54:44,560 de developer is entitled to that access 5817 03:54:42,640 --> 03:54:46,640 point based on a showing that they made 5818 03:54:44,560 --> 03:54:49,520 to a prior commission of a desirable 5819 03:54:46,640 --> 03:54:51,120 impact. Um, this came to a head, you may 5820 03:54:49,520 --> 03:54:52,560 remember, a little bit over a year ago, 5821 03:54:51,120 --> 03:54:54,640 the county commission on its own 5822 03:54:52,560 --> 03:54:57,520 initiative took up an agenda item to 5823 03:54:54,640 --> 03:54:59,680 talk about the the Masuki Canopy Road 5824 03:54:57,520 --> 03:55:01,840 Greenway and this roadway in particular 5825 03:54:59,680 --> 03:55:03,279 and got into a public discussion of 5826 03:55:01,840 --> 03:55:04,880 actually designing that roadway through 5827 03:55:03,279 --> 03:55:08,000 the greenway in which the developer was 5828 03:55:04,880 --> 03:55:10,560 not at the table. There was of course 5829 03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:12,880 quite a bit of public opposition to 5830 03:55:10,560 --> 03:55:15,279 putting that roadway in place. That was 5831 03:55:12,880 --> 03:55:17,120 the point at which we realized this 5832 03:55:15,279 --> 03:55:18,800 narrative was out in the public that we 5833 03:55:17,120 --> 03:55:20,560 were required to build the roadway and 5834 03:55:18,800 --> 03:55:22,479 that we want needed to add this as one 5835 03:55:20,560 --> 03:55:23,600 of the things we would clarify when we 5836 03:55:22,479 --> 03:55:26,319 brought the development agreement 5837 03:55:23,600 --> 03:55:27,760 forward for cleanup as we have done just 5838 03:55:26,319 --> 03:55:28,239 about every 5 years since it was 5839 03:55:27,760 --> 03:55:30,080 developed. 5840 03:55:28,239 --> 03:55:32,720 » Thank you, M. If you'll just stick 5841 03:55:30,080 --> 03:55:33,920 around if there's additional questions. 5842 03:55:32,720 --> 03:55:35,439 » Next speaker, please. 5843 03:55:33,920 --> 03:55:36,000 » Those are the only speakers on the item. 5844 03:55:35,439 --> 03:55:37,439 » All right. All right, we're on 5845 03:55:36,000 --> 03:55:38,640 commission discussion, direction. 5846 03:55:37,439 --> 03:55:40,880 Remember, this is the first of two 5847 03:55:38,640 --> 03:55:43,600 public hearings. Uh, it'll be coming 5848 03:55:40,880 --> 03:55:45,199 back to us in September as well. There a 5849 03:55:43,600 --> 03:55:46,239 motion to move forward. Commissioner 5850 03:55:45,199 --> 03:55:48,720 Porter. 5851 03:55:46,239 --> 03:55:51,199 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to 5852 03:55:48,720 --> 03:55:52,720 ask if Mr. Reic can come back up to 5853 03:55:51,199 --> 03:55:56,800 answer some questions. 5854 03:55:52,720 --> 03:55:59,680 » Reick. So, since the original PUB 5855 03:55:56,800 --> 03:56:02,479 predates my time on the commission, 5856 03:55:59,680 --> 03:56:04,720 can someone just address why the prior 5857 03:56:02,479 --> 03:56:06,560 requirements were put into place 5858 03:56:04,720 --> 03:56:09,040 originally? 5859 03:56:06,560 --> 03:56:11,040 » The the requirements of 5860 03:56:09,040 --> 03:56:12,960 » Of the development agreement. Just all 5861 03:56:11,040 --> 03:56:15,520 of them. I mean, the all of them. 5862 03:56:12,960 --> 03:56:17,199 » Sure. because it was all-encompassing 5863 03:56:15,520 --> 03:56:20,000 and a lot of it predated the current 5864 03:56:17,199 --> 03:56:21,840 developers involvement actually in this 5865 03:56:20,000 --> 03:56:23,120 property and then they amended and 5866 03:56:21,840 --> 03:56:26,720 restated as they assumed those 5867 03:56:23,120 --> 03:56:29,840 obligations. So um I would say chiefly 5868 03:56:26,720 --> 03:56:31,760 the largest was tied to 5869 03:56:29,840 --> 03:56:34,800 um the buildout of Wani Boulevard. The 5870 03:56:31,760 --> 03:56:36,080 developer got a lot of um they 5871 03:56:34,800 --> 03:56:39,120 participated in the construction of that 5872 03:56:36,080 --> 03:56:42,080 and in return got um the currency 5873 03:56:39,120 --> 03:56:44,399 credits. They also um committed to for 5874 03:56:42,080 --> 03:56:46,319 example the the transit facilities. They 5875 03:56:44,399 --> 03:56:48,399 also again there was the inclusionary 5876 03:56:46,319 --> 03:56:50,800 housing component which separately they 5877 03:56:48,399 --> 03:56:52,160 benefited from that was related to our 5878 03:56:50,800 --> 03:56:54,479 at that time it was our inclusionary 5879 03:56:52,160 --> 03:56:56,239 housing ordinance. They benefited from 5880 03:56:54,479 --> 03:56:59,279 density b entitlement bonuses 5881 03:56:56,239 --> 03:57:01,600 essentially. So there the the net 5882 03:56:59,279 --> 03:57:06,239 benefit and why the the city entered 5883 03:57:01,600 --> 03:57:09,040 into the agreement um was was um pretty 5884 03:57:06,239 --> 03:57:11,520 diverse in in reason but I would say the 5885 03:57:09,040 --> 03:57:13,920 largest component of it um certainly 5886 03:57:11,520 --> 03:57:15,120 financially was infrastructure related. 5887 03:57:13,920 --> 03:57:17,520 There was a lot of I think there was 5888 03:57:15,120 --> 03:57:21,680 even underground utilities included that 5889 03:57:17,520 --> 03:57:24,080 as well. So um and then also 5890 03:57:21,680 --> 03:57:28,239 recognized the uh location for the new 5891 03:57:24,080 --> 03:57:30,160 senior center city got in return 5892 03:57:28,239 --> 03:57:32,479 for their participation in this. 5893 03:57:30,160 --> 03:57:36,000 » Okay. Thank you. Are there any cost 5894 03:57:32,479 --> 03:57:38,880 impacts to the city by entering if we 5895 03:57:36,000 --> 03:57:41,359 enter into this agreement or accept the 5896 03:57:38,880 --> 03:57:43,600 amendment amendment agreement for for 5897 03:57:41,359 --> 03:57:48,239 consideration um that we've recognized 5898 03:57:43,600 --> 03:57:50,800 is that the uh city's 5899 03:57:48,239 --> 03:57:53,920 currency certainly recognizing the 5900 03:57:50,800 --> 03:57:56,160 developers you know debating their their 5901 03:57:53,920 --> 03:57:58,479 real obligation to that versus we've 5902 03:57:56,160 --> 03:58:00,560 certainly pro proceeded with the intent 5903 03:57:58,479 --> 03:58:03,279 that it would be uh constructed in the 5904 03:58:00,560 --> 03:58:06,080 sense of uh as part of the build out by 5905 03:58:03,279 --> 03:58:08,960 the developers that our concurrency 5906 03:58:06,080 --> 03:58:12,960 system you know modeling for example has 5907 03:58:08,960 --> 03:58:16,479 assumed that that connection would be 5908 03:58:12,960 --> 03:58:18,319 made case or you know within the the the 5909 03:58:16,479 --> 03:58:20,720 time frame of this development order uh 5910 03:58:18,319 --> 03:58:23,040 or development agreement excuse me. So, 5911 03:58:20,720 --> 03:58:25,279 um that is one where essentially 5912 03:58:23,040 --> 03:58:28,880 assuming a more connected roadway 5913 03:58:25,279 --> 03:58:30,720 network meant for um I'll say a better 5914 03:58:28,880 --> 03:58:33,920 assessment of traffic impacts because 5915 03:58:30,720 --> 03:58:36,479 the the intent stated intent both within 5916 03:58:33,920 --> 03:58:39,120 the the critical area plan and within 5917 03:58:36,479 --> 03:58:41,040 development agreement and um is that 5918 03:58:39,120 --> 03:58:43,359 that connection would be there to 5919 03:58:41,040 --> 03:58:46,000 relieve traffic off of the Canopy roads 5920 03:58:43,359 --> 03:58:49,840 to and improve the broader network. So 5921 03:58:46,000 --> 03:58:52,080 to say since Canopy has been built out 5922 03:58:49,840 --> 03:58:55,040 when we look at you know one let's say 5923 03:58:52,080 --> 03:58:56,720 phase of residential construction we are 5924 03:58:55,040 --> 03:58:58,720 modeling the traffic impacts of that 5925 03:58:56,720 --> 03:59:01,520 based on the assumption that these that 5926 03:58:58,720 --> 03:59:02,720 connection is going to be there um and 5927 03:59:01,520 --> 03:59:04,399 we would have done that moving forward. 5928 03:59:02,720 --> 03:59:06,960 So that is something for consideration 5929 03:59:04,399 --> 03:59:08,720 where um 5930 03:59:06,960 --> 03:59:10,239 the city may have had there may have 5931 03:59:08,720 --> 03:59:12,560 been 5932 03:59:10,239 --> 03:59:13,760 more impact concurrency impacts and 5933 03:59:12,560 --> 03:59:15,600 traffic impacts from things that have 5934 03:59:13,760 --> 03:59:17,840 had occurred already and would be you 5935 03:59:15,600 --> 03:59:19,199 know will occur moving forward for the 5936 03:59:17,840 --> 03:59:22,000 full buildout that the city needs to 5937 03:59:19,199 --> 03:59:23,040 take consideration when looking at this 5938 03:59:22,000 --> 03:59:25,359 proposal. 5939 03:59:23,040 --> 03:59:29,160 » Okay. Thank you. So I want to make sure 5940 03:59:25,359 --> 03:59:29,160 I understand. So 5941 03:59:30,399 --> 03:59:35,760 there is an impact obviously if well let 5942 03:59:33,760 --> 03:59:38,399 me back up for a second. So the 5943 03:59:35,760 --> 03:59:41,120 concurrency calculation 5944 03:59:38,399 --> 03:59:43,920 in the original agreement or the latest 5945 03:59:41,120 --> 03:59:45,680 agreement assumed that Dempsey Mayo 5946 03:59:43,920 --> 03:59:46,880 would be constructed. 5947 03:59:45,680 --> 03:59:49,680 » Correct. So correct 5948 03:59:46,880 --> 03:59:52,479 » We're looking at a let's say 100 homes 5949 03:59:49,680 --> 03:59:54,640 that that may be built in a phase. We're 5950 03:59:52,479 --> 03:59:56,319 assessing the traffic network that the 5951 03:59:54,640 --> 03:59:58,479 demands it'll put on our network. And 5952 03:59:56,319 --> 04:00:00,720 within that model, we have that 5953 03:59:58,479 --> 04:00:03,760 connection made. So, it's assuming that 5954 04:00:00,720 --> 04:00:06,239 cars would be able to exit that larger 5955 04:00:03,760 --> 04:00:07,600 master development and go and access 5956 04:00:06,239 --> 04:00:10,720 Mississippi. 5957 04:00:07,600 --> 04:00:12,640 » Okay. And as far as I could tell, and I 5958 04:00:10,720 --> 04:00:14,080 think you've just addressed this, I 5959 04:00:12,640 --> 04:00:16,399 didn't see anything in this agreement 5960 04:00:14,080 --> 04:00:18,319 that addresses the concurrency 5961 04:00:16,399 --> 04:00:21,279 calculations directly other than 5962 04:00:18,319 --> 04:00:22,640 language that reads to me to say we'll 5963 04:00:21,279 --> 04:00:24,560 handle this later in a separate 5964 04:00:22,640 --> 04:00:25,920 agreement. Is that accurate? 5965 04:00:24,560 --> 04:00:27,359 » The language you're referring to is the 5966 04:00:25,920 --> 04:00:28,399 extent of that. Okay. 5967 04:00:27,359 --> 04:00:30,640 » Provided to us. Yes. 5968 04:00:28,399 --> 04:00:31,920 » And may I ask, why would we do that? Why 5969 04:00:30,640 --> 04:00:33,600 wouldn't we include it in this 5970 04:00:31,920 --> 04:00:34,960 agreement? 5971 04:00:33,600 --> 04:00:37,359 Frank, the commissioner would look at 5972 04:00:34,960 --> 04:00:39,520 your direction on that. We wanted to to 5973 04:00:37,359 --> 04:00:42,560 incorporate that and and assess that in 5974 04:00:39,520 --> 04:00:44,000 more detail rather than evaluating it 5975 04:00:42,560 --> 04:00:45,840 after the fact. 5976 04:00:44,000 --> 04:00:49,600 » Okay. 5977 04:00:45,840 --> 04:00:52,720 What And now just jumping forward a 5978 04:00:49,600 --> 04:00:54,560 little bit to talk about the roundabout 5979 04:00:52,720 --> 04:00:56,960 at the intersection of Wani and Dempsey 5980 04:00:54,560 --> 04:01:00,479 Mayo. 5981 04:00:56,960 --> 04:01:04,000 So this agreement 5982 04:01:00,479 --> 04:01:05,520 would rem eliminate the roundabout or we 5983 04:01:04,000 --> 04:01:07,680 wouldn't move forward with the 5984 04:01:05,520 --> 04:01:09,920 roundabout. Is that correct? 5985 04:01:07,680 --> 04:01:11,680 » I don't know that it necessarily changes 5986 04:01:09,920 --> 04:01:13,920 the type of intersection if it does get 5987 04:01:11,680 --> 04:01:16,720 built. Uh again, I think it's still 5988 04:01:13,920 --> 04:01:18,160 contemplated another of excuse me, a 5989 04:01:16,720 --> 04:01:21,600 number of other areas that it would be a 5990 04:01:18,160 --> 04:01:26,399 roundabout. Um but the I think the 5991 04:01:21,600 --> 04:01:28,720 change is that um essentially it may be 5992 04:01:26,399 --> 04:01:32,000 someone else is stepping in to do that 5993 04:01:28,720 --> 04:01:33,439 at work. It's the developers Not 5994 04:01:32,000 --> 04:01:35,120 intending to do that. 5995 04:01:33,439 --> 04:01:39,279 » Okay. 5996 04:01:35,120 --> 04:01:39,520 I'm seeing shaking heads behind you. 5997 04:01:39,279 --> 04:01:41,040 » Sure. 5998 04:01:39,520 --> 04:01:43,120 » Yes, please. 5999 04:01:41,040 --> 04:01:45,279 » Hilton comment. 6000 04:01:43,120 --> 04:01:47,120 » Thank you. Apologies for interrupting. 6001 04:01:45,279 --> 04:01:49,040 Um, so the way this agreement is 6002 04:01:47,120 --> 04:01:50,720 drafted, we're not saying the developer 6003 04:01:49,040 --> 04:01:52,880 is not going to build this connection. 6004 04:01:50,720 --> 04:01:54,560 We are saying they are not obligated to 6005 04:01:52,880 --> 04:01:56,640 build this connection. If at some point 6006 04:01:54,560 --> 04:01:58,080 in the future it makes sense from a 6007 04:01:56,640 --> 04:01:59,680 traffic standpoint, from a you 6008 04:01:58,080 --> 04:02:03,040 development standpoint, all of all of 6009 04:01:59,680 --> 04:02:05,279 those factors, it it may get built, it 6010 04:02:03,040 --> 04:02:06,960 may get built by this developer. Um 6011 04:02:05,279 --> 04:02:09,359 they're not they're they're simply we're 6012 04:02:06,960 --> 04:02:10,319 simply clarifying because of the 6013 04:02:09,359 --> 04:02:12,640 narrative that is out there in the 6014 04:02:10,319 --> 04:02:14,720 public that this is not an obligation 6015 04:02:12,640 --> 04:02:16,479 associated with this development. Um, 6016 04:02:14,720 --> 04:02:17,439 and then to the concurrency question, I 6017 04:02:16,479 --> 04:02:19,359 think that's one of the reasons we're 6018 04:02:17,439 --> 04:02:21,840 not addressing concurrency now because 6019 04:02:19,359 --> 04:02:23,680 this still may get built. If we're 6020 04:02:21,840 --> 04:02:25,120 concerned about a concur concurrency 6021 04:02:23,680 --> 04:02:26,479 refund, I can tell you this developer is 6022 04:02:25,120 --> 04:02:27,920 also sitting on a couple million dollars 6023 04:02:26,479 --> 04:02:29,120 in concurrency credit right now from 6024 04:02:27,920 --> 04:02:30,479 other infrastructure they've built for 6025 04:02:29,120 --> 04:02:33,199 this community. So, it's really not 6026 04:02:30,479 --> 04:02:34,160 something that I would be concerned with 6027 04:02:33,199 --> 04:02:38,319 at this point. 6028 04:02:34,160 --> 04:02:40,720 » Okay. Thank you. Um, 6029 04:02:38,319 --> 04:02:43,439 I am cons I am concerned about it, but I 6030 04:02:40,720 --> 04:02:46,239 appreciate that response. Um, can you 6031 04:02:43,439 --> 04:02:48,319 speak a little bit to 6032 04:02:46,239 --> 04:02:50,880 why we are eliminating the minimum for 6033 04:02:48,319 --> 04:02:53,680 transit shelters? 6034 04:02:50,880 --> 04:02:56,560 I would like to hear from our staff. 6035 04:02:53,680 --> 04:02:57,600 Thank you. 6036 04:02:56,560 --> 04:03:00,960 » The 6037 04:02:57,600 --> 04:03:03,520 » Why Yeah. Why did we accept that? 6038 04:03:00,960 --> 04:03:04,960 » What is the rationale for the city for 6039 04:03:03,520 --> 04:03:06,160 the public benefit? 6040 04:03:04,960 --> 04:03:07,680 » Commissioner, I've I've 6041 04:03:06,160 --> 04:03:09,439 » Mr. Mayor, I can I can help in 6042 04:03:07,680 --> 04:03:10,960 » Mr. Manager, jump in, please. 6043 04:03:09,439 --> 04:03:12,800 » I think Wayne might be able to help a 6044 04:03:10,960 --> 04:03:15,359 little more. I believe in the original 6045 04:03:12,800 --> 04:03:16,000 agreement it might have been five 6046 04:03:15,359 --> 04:03:17,279 is what it was. 6047 04:03:16,000 --> 04:03:19,199 » Three to five. 6048 04:03:17,279 --> 04:03:20,800 » We now have more information on that 6049 04:03:19,199 --> 04:03:23,359 based on the way the development has 6050 04:03:20,800 --> 04:03:25,760 occurred and what our expectations could 6051 04:03:23,359 --> 04:03:27,680 be in terms of shelters. And so I think 6052 04:03:25,760 --> 04:03:31,520 it's a refinement of what we think could 6053 04:03:27,680 --> 04:03:33,359 be added. That's why the number we're 6054 04:03:31,520 --> 04:03:36,239 comfortable with the change in in the 6055 04:03:33,359 --> 04:03:40,040 commitment. Wayne, do I have anything 6056 04:03:36,239 --> 04:03:40,040 else to add to that? Wayneter. 6057 04:03:40,800 --> 04:03:45,439 Bottom line, commissioner, is that if 6058 04:03:43,199 --> 04:03:47,279 staff sees the need for five, we will 6059 04:03:45,439 --> 04:03:49,359 get five because it's written in a way 6060 04:03:47,279 --> 04:03:52,560 that it's going to be approved by the 6061 04:03:49,359 --> 04:03:54,560 city um regardless of the number, but 6062 04:03:52,560 --> 04:03:57,439 there may not be the need for five 6063 04:03:54,560 --> 04:03:58,640 within that development. 6064 04:03:57,439 --> 04:04:01,359 » Commissioner Porter, 6065 04:03:58,640 --> 04:04:03,600 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 6066 04:04:01,359 --> 04:04:06,399 I think that, you know, we have now just 6067 04:04:03,600 --> 04:04:09,920 gone through this process with St. Joe 6068 04:04:06,399 --> 04:04:13,520 where there was there were questions and 6069 04:04:09,920 --> 04:04:16,319 uncertainty there's so much uncertainty 6070 04:04:13,520 --> 04:04:18,239 and this is an agreement like this as 6071 04:04:16,319 --> 04:04:22,000 Miss Tilton 6072 04:04:18,239 --> 04:04:26,560 explained is that it provides a benefit 6073 04:04:22,000 --> 04:04:29,680 to the public through assurance mutually 6074 04:04:26,560 --> 04:04:32,640 between the public the city and the 6075 04:04:29,680 --> 04:04:34,479 developer. So, you know, these 6076 04:04:32,640 --> 04:04:37,199 concurrency fees, these traffic impact 6077 04:04:34,479 --> 04:04:40,080 fees are hundreds of thousands, if not 6078 04:04:37,199 --> 04:04:45,040 millions of dollars. I'm not comfortable 6079 04:04:40,080 --> 04:04:47,840 leaving that up to chance. Um, 6080 04:04:45,040 --> 04:04:50,399 especially, with all due respect, when 6081 04:04:47,840 --> 04:04:52,160 we've had issues with this developer, 6082 04:04:50,399 --> 04:04:54,720 with I mean, [snorts] the gas the gas 6083 04:04:52,160 --> 04:04:57,840 station issue, you know, this is not it 6084 04:04:54,720 --> 04:05:03,199 is not my job to trust a developer. It 6085 04:04:57,840 --> 04:05:04,880 is my job to put faith in our staff 6086 04:05:03,199 --> 04:05:06,399 to represent the public interest when 6087 04:05:04,880 --> 04:05:08,239 we're having these negotiations and 6088 04:05:06,399 --> 04:05:11,199 these conversations. 6089 04:05:08,239 --> 04:05:13,199 And I don't know, it feels a little bit 6090 04:05:11,199 --> 04:05:15,840 rushed given that there are some 6091 04:05:13,199 --> 04:05:17,520 outstanding questions 6092 04:05:15,840 --> 04:05:20,520 um that I would feel much more 6093 04:05:17,520 --> 04:05:20,520 comfortable 6094 04:05:20,720 --> 04:05:27,680 moving forward with if we if we had 6095 04:05:23,120 --> 04:05:29,600 answers to. So I would like to make 6096 04:05:27,680 --> 04:05:30,800 a substitute motion. 6097 04:05:29,600 --> 04:05:34,080 » There's no motion on the table. 6098 04:05:30,800 --> 04:05:35,680 » Okay, then I'll make a motion. Um 6099 04:05:34,080 --> 04:05:37,439 I also notice is there a staff 6100 04:05:35,680 --> 04:05:40,880 recommendation 6101 04:05:37,439 --> 04:05:42,399 on this item? 6102 04:05:40,880 --> 04:05:44,080 » Commissioner, our only recommendation is 6103 04:05:42,399 --> 04:05:46,160 to was to hold this public hearing 6104 04:05:44,080 --> 04:05:48,319 certainly with the intent of of 6105 04:05:46,160 --> 04:05:50,080 receiving your feedback and direction uh 6106 04:05:48,319 --> 04:05:51,600 in response to what what's been put 6107 04:05:50,080 --> 04:05:52,960 before you. And so our only 6108 04:05:51,600 --> 04:05:54,560 recommendation is to schedule a second 6109 04:05:52,960 --> 04:05:56,880 public hearing. Our recommendation was 6110 04:05:54,560 --> 04:05:59,040 for the next September 23rd. 6111 04:05:56,880 --> 04:06:01,359 » Okay. One other question. What is the 6112 04:05:59,040 --> 04:06:03,520 impact? What what utilities would have 6113 04:06:01,359 --> 04:06:07,520 run in the roadway along Dempsey Mayo? 6114 04:06:03,520 --> 04:06:08,479 And does that impact other city plans? 6115 04:06:07,520 --> 04:06:12,319 » Mr. Mayor, I think I 6116 04:06:08,479 --> 04:06:14,560 » Sure Mr. help with that. The the utility 6117 04:06:12,319 --> 04:06:17,359 easement and location is for the 6118 04:06:14,560 --> 04:06:19,040 electric utility and so this agreement 6119 04:06:17,359 --> 04:06:22,399 would contemplate that the developer 6120 04:06:19,040 --> 04:06:24,800 would provide that access and and that 6121 04:06:22,399 --> 04:06:26,640 that necessary um the easements 6122 04:06:24,800 --> 04:06:29,040 necessary for that. this does clarify 6123 04:06:26,640 --> 04:06:31,439 that is helpful to us as a city in the 6124 04:06:29,040 --> 04:06:34,640 utility system 6125 04:06:31,439 --> 04:06:36,319 um in that in those um easements and and 6126 04:06:34,640 --> 04:06:38,880 placement of those utilities would be 6127 04:06:36,319 --> 04:06:41,279 necessary for the next phase of their 6128 04:06:38,880 --> 04:06:44,000 development. So we're we feel good about 6129 04:06:41,279 --> 04:06:47,040 that because it provides clarity um that 6130 04:06:44,000 --> 04:06:48,720 we can have access we get the rightway 6131 04:06:47,040 --> 04:06:50,880 necessary and we work with the developer 6132 04:06:48,720 --> 04:06:52,160 in the correct way to expand those 6133 04:06:50,880 --> 04:06:54,319 utilities. 6134 04:06:52,160 --> 04:06:57,760 » Okay, thank you. And then one final 6135 04:06:54,319 --> 04:06:59,920 question I promise. So on page 14 under 6136 04:06:57,760 --> 04:07:02,399 utilities 6137 04:06:59,920 --> 04:07:04,399 um the new language says the respective 6138 04:07:02,399 --> 04:07:06,160 obligations of the parties rel relative 6139 04:07:04,399 --> 04:07:08,000 to the provision of natural gas to the 6140 04:07:06,160 --> 04:07:10,479 canopy project including construction of 6141 04:07:08,000 --> 04:07:12,239 the gas line along Wani Boulevard have 6142 04:07:10,479 --> 04:07:15,920 been completed. So, it's my 6143 04:07:12,239 --> 04:07:18,160 understanding from reading this that 6144 04:07:15,920 --> 04:07:20,080 the developer had agreed to pay the city 6145 04:07:18,160 --> 04:07:22,080 $165,000 6146 04:07:20,080 --> 04:07:24,399 to be applied by the city toward the 6147 04:07:22,080 --> 04:07:27,600 cost of installing the gas line along 6148 04:07:24,399 --> 04:07:30,239 Milani Boulevard. So, 6149 04:07:27,600 --> 04:07:33,439 I want clarification on this. [snorts] 6150 04:07:30,239 --> 04:07:37,600 The gas line has been completed. 6151 04:07:33,439 --> 04:07:40,160 The city incurred that expense and the 6152 04:07:37,600 --> 04:07:43,920 developer had agreed to pay the city 6153 04:07:40,160 --> 04:07:46,800 $165,000 to be applied 6154 04:07:43,920 --> 04:07:50,080 for the cost of installing the gas line 6155 04:07:46,800 --> 04:07:53,680 that is stricken. Was that did the 6156 04:07:50,080 --> 04:07:55,120 developer apply? Was that amount applied 6157 04:07:53,680 --> 04:07:56,880 to the city? 6158 04:07:55,120 --> 04:07:57,600 » Mr. Mayor, I can I can answer that. 6159 04:07:56,880 --> 04:07:59,120 » Mr. Manor, 6160 04:07:57,600 --> 04:08:01,760 » Commissioner Porter, so that question 6161 04:07:59,120 --> 04:08:03,600 was posed to the gas utility. That 6162 04:08:01,760 --> 04:08:05,680 provision was an original provision in 6163 04:08:03,600 --> 04:08:08,239 there. The developer did participate as 6164 04:08:05,680 --> 04:08:10,239 needed to add the gas line. The gas 6165 04:08:08,239 --> 04:08:12,560 utility has confirmed that all the work 6166 04:08:10,239 --> 04:08:14,640 is done. I do not believe the money was 6167 04:08:12,560 --> 04:08:16,399 paid because it was not necessary. The 6168 04:08:14,640 --> 04:08:18,880 question was posed to the gas utility. 6169 04:08:16,399 --> 04:08:21,920 Is it necessary? And they said no. So 6170 04:08:18,880 --> 04:08:24,239 the request to remove it is an intent to 6171 04:08:21,920 --> 04:08:25,439 clean it up because that work has been 6172 04:08:24,239 --> 04:08:27,199 satisfied. 6173 04:08:25,439 --> 04:08:28,720 » Okay. And can you just help me 6174 04:08:27,199 --> 04:08:30,800 understand what does it mean that it's 6175 04:08:28,720 --> 04:08:32,399 not necessary? 6176 04:08:30,800 --> 04:08:34,160 Well, I'd have to ask somebody in the 6177 04:08:32,399 --> 04:08:36,479 gas utility that answered it. Right. So, 6178 04:08:34,160 --> 04:08:38,720 but the construction is taking place. 6179 04:08:36,479 --> 04:08:41,840 The rightway was provided. That work is 6180 04:08:38,720 --> 04:08:44,479 done and the gas utility was satisfied 6181 04:08:41,840 --> 04:08:46,479 with that effort. This is now years ago. 6182 04:08:44,479 --> 04:08:50,479 » Okay. 6183 04:08:46,479 --> 04:08:53,760 So, did it not cost us money 6184 04:08:50,479 --> 04:08:55,920 to provide natural gas or the the 6185 04:08:53,760 --> 04:08:57,120 infrastructure? I just want to make sure 6186 04:08:55,920 --> 04:08:58,800 I understand. 6187 04:08:57,120 --> 04:09:02,000 » Yeah, it of course it would have cost 6188 04:08:58,800 --> 04:09:04,560 some money. uh to the gas utilities as 6189 04:09:02,000 --> 04:09:07,040 you might imagine to expand our main and 6190 04:09:04,560 --> 04:09:09,680 when we do these development agreements 6191 04:09:07,040 --> 04:09:12,880 it's providing for access you know other 6192 04:09:09,680 --> 04:09:16,800 means and so that was satisfied by the 6193 04:09:12,880 --> 04:09:18,399 developer um satisfactorily to the gas 6194 04:09:16,800 --> 04:09:20,319 utility I guess is the best way I can 6195 04:09:18,399 --> 04:09:25,319 say it. 6196 04:09:20,319 --> 04:09:25,319 » Okay. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um 6197 04:09:25,920 --> 04:09:34,000 I I think and I appreciate 6198 04:09:28,800 --> 04:09:36,080 staff's um explanations. I think it 6199 04:09:34,000 --> 04:09:38,160 in the future I would love us to have a 6200 04:09:36,080 --> 04:09:40,160 more comprehensive staff report. You 6201 04:09:38,160 --> 04:09:42,640 know these are amend these are 6202 04:09:40,160 --> 04:09:45,120 agreements that as everyone understands 6203 04:09:42,640 --> 04:09:46,880 now you know go back many years. They're 6204 04:09:45,120 --> 04:09:49,199 complicated agreements. would be really 6205 04:09:46,880 --> 04:09:51,439 helpful if in our agenda materials it 6206 04:09:49,199 --> 04:09:53,760 could just be like side by side here's 6207 04:09:51,439 --> 04:09:55,359 what it did here's what it does. Um I 6208 04:09:53,760 --> 04:09:56,800 understand I can read through the 6209 04:09:55,359 --> 04:10:00,319 agreement as I did and there's 6210 04:09:56,800 --> 04:10:01,840 strikethroughs. Um but this is a lot of 6211 04:10:00,319 --> 04:10:04,080 money. I mean the implications of this 6212 04:10:01,840 --> 04:10:06,399 are pretty significant. I don't like 6213 04:10:04,080 --> 04:10:08,880 making decisions like this without 6214 04:10:06,399 --> 04:10:13,120 having all the the information and 6215 04:10:08,880 --> 04:10:15,600 understanding the the financial impact 6216 04:10:13,120 --> 04:10:18,399 which according to this agenda material 6217 04:10:15,600 --> 04:10:20,319 item says there is none. But it seems to 6218 04:10:18,399 --> 04:10:22,800 me that there is one because we don't 6219 04:10:20,319 --> 04:10:24,239 know at the very least we know there's 6220 04:10:22,800 --> 04:10:25,520 one thing we don't know which is 6221 04:10:24,239 --> 04:10:27,520 hundreds of thousands of dollars 6222 04:10:25,520 --> 04:10:30,080 potentially and that's the concurrency 6223 04:10:27,520 --> 04:10:34,000 fees. So, I'm not comfortable moving 6224 04:10:30,080 --> 04:10:36,239 forward and I would um I would move that 6225 04:10:34,000 --> 04:10:38,720 we do not for option two that we do not 6226 04:10:36,239 --> 04:10:40,800 hold the first public hearing um and 6227 04:10:38,720 --> 04:10:43,760 that you know staff can come back to us 6228 04:10:40,800 --> 04:10:45,279 with this with at the very least the 6229 04:10:43,760 --> 04:10:47,760 concurrency 6230 04:10:45,279 --> 04:10:49,840 um figure factored in. I I'm not 6231 04:10:47,760 --> 04:10:51,040 comfortable saying that that's just 6232 04:10:49,840 --> 04:10:53,600 something we're going to figure out 6233 04:10:51,040 --> 04:10:55,920 later in a separate agreement. So, is 6234 04:10:53,600 --> 04:10:57,439 that is my motion clear? Option number 6235 04:10:55,920 --> 04:10:59,199 two has been probably made by 6236 04:10:57,439 --> 04:10:59,600 Commissioner Porter. Is there a second? 6237 04:10:59,199 --> 04:11:01,120 » Second. 6238 04:10:59,600 --> 04:11:02,160 » Second by Commissioner Matlo. You're 6239 04:11:01,120 --> 04:11:04,880 recognized for comment. 6240 04:11:02,160 --> 04:11:06,560 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um and Mr. 6241 04:11:04,880 --> 04:11:08,560 Reick. The same question on the other 6242 04:11:06,560 --> 04:11:11,199 item. The attachment says that this 6243 04:11:08,560 --> 04:11:14,160 agreement was prepared by the developers 6244 04:11:11,199 --> 04:11:15,520 attorneys. Um did your staff work on 6245 04:11:14,160 --> 04:11:17,760 this agreement? 6246 04:11:15,520 --> 04:11:19,840 » We did do a preliminary review of it. Um 6247 04:11:17,760 --> 04:11:21,840 I think some of our feedback was 6248 04:11:19,840 --> 04:11:24,640 pertaining to questions about 6249 04:11:21,840 --> 04:11:27,840 concurrency impacts for this. Certainly 6250 04:11:24,640 --> 04:11:32,640 um uh the city attorney as well was 6251 04:11:27,840 --> 04:11:35,040 provided this agreement. Uh so I I I 6252 04:11:32,640 --> 04:11:37,120 think our our next step in this and 6253 04:11:35,040 --> 04:11:39,279 receiving it and and doing our review of 6254 04:11:37,120 --> 04:11:41,120 it was also to place it in front of you 6255 04:11:39,279 --> 04:11:43,520 and and look for direction on on 6256 04:11:41,120 --> 04:11:45,040 something basically based on what was 6257 04:11:43,520 --> 04:11:45,439 being considered proposed. 6258 04:11:45,040 --> 04:11:46,800 » Okay. 6259 04:11:45,439 --> 04:11:48,479 » And so did you make any edits or 6260 04:11:46,800 --> 04:11:49,120 revisions to what was submitted by the 6261 04:11:48,479 --> 04:11:51,600 developer? 6262 04:11:49,120 --> 04:11:53,279 » We haven't directly made revisions on 6263 04:11:51,600 --> 04:11:55,680 this. is something that was provided to 6264 04:11:53,279 --> 04:11:59,399 us as it is. 6265 04:11:55,680 --> 04:11:59,399 » Okay. Um, 6266 04:11:59,920 --> 04:12:04,239 back to the the underlying question 6267 04:12:02,319 --> 04:12:06,399 which I still wasn't clear. Does this 6268 04:12:04,239 --> 04:12:08,640 eliminate the developer's obligation to 6269 04:12:06,399 --> 04:12:13,520 build the Dempsey Mayo roadway? 6270 04:12:08,640 --> 04:12:15,520 » Uh, I would state it as the developer is 6271 04:12:13,520 --> 04:12:16,960 relinquishing their sole their sole 6272 04:12:15,520 --> 04:12:18,239 entitlement to do it is probably a 6273 04:12:16,960 --> 04:12:20,160 better way to phrase that. is they're 6274 04:12:18,239 --> 04:12:21,439 currently entitled to do it like the 6275 04:12:20,160 --> 04:12:22,640 city doesn't have the easement rights to 6276 04:12:21,439 --> 04:12:26,000 go there and do if we wanted to 6277 04:12:22,640 --> 04:12:28,239 ourselves. What they're proposing is to 6278 04:12:26,000 --> 04:12:31,120 step back and say the city may can have 6279 04:12:28,239 --> 04:12:32,800 easement rights to do so or separately 6280 04:12:31,120 --> 04:12:36,160 um contract with the developer to do it 6281 04:12:32,800 --> 04:12:37,600 or the developer as stated may decide to 6282 04:12:36,160 --> 04:12:42,560 step up and do it their own on their 6283 04:12:37,600 --> 04:12:44,080 own. So their their intent is to clarify 6284 04:12:42,560 --> 04:12:47,279 their obligation on this and not 6285 04:12:44,080 --> 04:12:48,880 necessarily relinquish an obligation. 6286 04:12:47,279 --> 04:12:51,120 Okay. And so I mean I think that that 6287 04:12:48,880 --> 04:12:52,560 makes it more unclear of what 6288 04:12:51,120 --> 04:12:54,720 concurrency will look like, what traffic 6289 04:12:52,560 --> 04:12:57,520 will look like, what utilities to these 6290 04:12:54,720 --> 04:12:59,920 lots um will look like. I mean frankly 6291 04:12:57,520 --> 04:13:01,279 on on first reading to me it looks like 6292 04:12:59,920 --> 04:13:03,359 it's transferring financial 6293 04:13:01,279 --> 04:13:06,000 responsibility away from the developer 6294 04:13:03,359 --> 04:13:08,000 to the city uh government. That's an 6295 04:13:06,000 --> 04:13:09,840 issue for me. It's an issue for me that 6296 04:13:08,000 --> 04:13:11,600 we're operating in a way that developers 6297 04:13:09,840 --> 04:13:12,720 attorneys draft these agreements and 6298 04:13:11,600 --> 04:13:15,279 then we bring them to the city 6299 04:13:12,720 --> 04:13:17,439 commission with no edits. It's makes me 6300 04:13:15,279 --> 04:13:19,199 wonder who's actually looking after the 6301 04:13:17,439 --> 04:13:20,560 city's best interest and I support the 6302 04:13:19,199 --> 04:13:21,840 motion. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, 6303 04:13:20,560 --> 04:13:25,520 » Commissioner Williams Cox. 6304 04:13:21,840 --> 04:13:29,520 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I guess u Mr. Reic 6305 04:13:25,520 --> 04:13:31,760 and Aaron, city manager, is this any 6306 04:13:29,520 --> 04:13:34,880 different than any other process that 6307 04:13:31,760 --> 04:13:37,040 we've done with with um items like this 6308 04:13:34,880 --> 04:13:39,199 because it sounds like we've been doing 6309 04:13:37,040 --> 04:13:40,080 this for years. Commissioner, if I if I 6310 04:13:39,199 --> 04:13:40,640 can answer that, 6311 04:13:40,080 --> 04:13:43,840 » Man. Andrew, 6312 04:13:40,640 --> 04:13:47,279 » Just for a different voice, this is a 6313 04:13:43,840 --> 04:13:49,120 really old development agreement that 6314 04:13:47,279 --> 04:13:50,880 has been amended from time to time as 6315 04:13:49,120 --> 04:13:53,680 the development has changed. Things are 6316 04:13:50,880 --> 04:13:55,920 new, things have been satisfied, there's 6317 04:13:53,680 --> 04:13:58,239 new information, and I think that's what 6318 04:13:55,920 --> 04:14:00,800 you see. There's a kind of probably a 6319 04:13:58,239 --> 04:14:03,199 natural cycle to that. Development 6320 04:14:00,800 --> 04:14:05,199 agreements rarely are static. And that 6321 04:14:03,199 --> 04:14:06,720 that's what you're seeing. In this case, 6322 04:14:05,199 --> 04:14:09,279 there's clarification in terms of the 6323 04:14:06,720 --> 04:14:11,120 roadway. I would tell you from my point 6324 04:14:09,279 --> 04:14:13,520 of view. 6325 04:14:11,120 --> 04:14:16,000 I'm not sure that road connection is 6326 04:14:13,520 --> 04:14:17,760 ever made. You know, that probably is 6327 04:14:16,000 --> 04:14:20,319 for some time in the future. There's 6328 04:14:17,760 --> 04:14:22,080 been a lot of debate about it. There's a 6329 04:14:20,319 --> 04:14:24,479 considerable amount of public opposition 6330 04:14:22,080 --> 04:14:29,520 to that roadway, notably in the 6331 04:14:24,479 --> 04:14:31,279 Westminster Oaks area. Um, they I think 6332 04:14:29,520 --> 04:14:34,080 it's safe for me to say that they would 6333 04:14:31,279 --> 04:14:37,359 wish that not to happen. So, I think 6334 04:14:34,080 --> 04:14:40,399 this agreement provides that clarity of 6335 04:14:37,359 --> 04:14:42,479 how that could work if the roadway was 6336 04:14:40,399 --> 04:14:46,399 ever developed, which I would venture to 6337 04:14:42,479 --> 04:14:48,720 guess is not likely. Um, but even with 6338 04:14:46,399 --> 04:14:50,640 that, we need clarity on rightway and 6339 04:14:48,720 --> 04:14:52,560 easements for utilities and other things 6340 04:14:50,640 --> 04:14:55,120 because the development is expected to 6341 04:14:52,560 --> 04:14:56,640 continue to go. So this this does 6342 04:14:55,120 --> 04:14:58,399 provide clarity that's helpful to the 6343 04:14:56,640 --> 04:14:59,760 city, that's helpful to the developer 6344 04:14:58,399 --> 04:15:01,600 that is contemporary. 6345 04:14:59,760 --> 04:15:03,359 » And I think that's how these agreements 6346 04:15:01,600 --> 04:15:04,800 typically evolve. 6347 04:15:03,359 --> 04:15:06,399 » I just don't want the public to think 6348 04:15:04,800 --> 04:15:08,319 that the developer can come in and give 6349 04:15:06,399 --> 04:15:10,239 us an agreement and we just go running 6350 04:15:08,319 --> 04:15:12,239 with it without edits or anything like 6351 04:15:10,239 --> 04:15:14,319 that. That's that happens later in the 6352 04:15:12,239 --> 04:15:16,159 process in the in the um planning 6353 04:15:14,319 --> 04:15:19,120 process. And for these like you said 6354 04:15:16,159 --> 04:15:22,479 this this has been around since 1998, 6355 04:15:19,120 --> 04:15:24,000 2011 and here we are 2026. So, a lot of 6356 04:15:22,479 --> 04:15:26,080 things have evolved and will continue to 6357 04:15:24,000 --> 04:15:27,840 evolve. Um, I I just want to make sure 6358 04:15:26,080 --> 04:15:30,239 that the public knows that we're not 6359 04:15:27,840 --> 04:15:32,640 just taking what developers give us. Our 6360 04:15:30,239 --> 04:15:34,080 staff, you know, very well capable of 6361 04:15:32,640 --> 04:15:36,479 doing what needs to be done to make sure 6362 04:15:34,080 --> 04:15:38,560 that we're following the laws and 6363 04:15:36,479 --> 04:15:40,319 procedures that we follow with every 6364 04:15:38,560 --> 04:15:42,880 development. We don't pick and choose 6365 04:15:40,319 --> 04:15:46,000 who we who we pick on. We we we follow 6366 04:15:42,880 --> 04:15:49,680 for everybody. And uh my my last my 6367 04:15:46,000 --> 04:15:52,399 question is um is this not the public 6368 04:15:49,680 --> 04:15:53,520 hearing? is I I thought this was the 6369 04:15:52,399 --> 04:15:55,279 public hearing 6370 04:15:53,520 --> 04:15:57,600 » And and then there needs there will be a 6371 04:15:55,279 --> 04:15:58,159 second public hearing. So how 6372 04:15:57,600 --> 04:16:02,720 » First 6373 04:15:58,159 --> 04:16:05,680 » So how then could we um do do not hold 6374 04:16:02,720 --> 04:16:07,040 first public hearing and 6375 04:16:05,680 --> 04:16:09,199 » Start over 6376 04:16:07,040 --> 04:16:10,560 » Provide direction to staff. 6377 04:16:09,199 --> 04:16:12,560 » Well the motion on the table is 6378 04:16:10,560 --> 04:16:14,239 basically to suspend action and not move 6379 04:16:12,560 --> 04:16:14,640 forward with the second public. 6380 04:16:14,239 --> 04:16:16,479 » Okay. 6381 04:16:14,640 --> 04:16:19,199 » So that that's that's what's before us 6382 04:16:16,479 --> 04:16:21,520 today. Commissioner Porter has I'm I'm 6383 04:16:19,199 --> 04:16:23,600 summarizing Commissioner Porter that her 6384 04:16:21,520 --> 04:16:25,439 motion is let's put a pause. We don't 6385 04:16:23,600 --> 04:16:26,640 need to move forward with the second 6386 04:16:25,439 --> 04:16:28,319 » The second public hearing. 6387 04:16:26,640 --> 04:16:31,040 » Well well thank you for that 6388 04:16:28,319 --> 04:16:35,840 clarification because I I cannot support 6389 04:16:31,040 --> 04:16:38,479 that because 1998 2011 2026 6390 04:16:35,840 --> 04:16:40,720 when does when does when does this when 6391 04:16:38,479 --> 04:16:43,040 do we when do we when do we get going? I 6392 04:16:40,720 --> 04:16:44,880 think we should proceed with the uh with 6393 04:16:43,040 --> 04:16:48,000 it and get questions answered between 6394 04:16:44,880 --> 04:16:50,720 now and uh September 23rd that from the 6395 04:16:48,000 --> 04:16:52,640 developer, the uh growth management, 6396 04:16:50,720 --> 04:16:55,359 attorney, manager, whomever, we have 6397 04:16:52,640 --> 04:16:58,000 time to get that information before that 6398 04:16:55,359 --> 04:16:59,760 second and final public hearing. So, uh, 6399 04:16:58,000 --> 04:17:01,680 I think we need to we should move 6400 04:16:59,760 --> 04:17:03,840 forward so that we have an opportunity 6401 04:17:01,680 --> 04:17:06,319 to get those very good questions that 6402 04:17:03,840 --> 04:17:08,560 were asked answered so that we are we're 6403 04:17:06,319 --> 04:17:10,319 set then for the second public hearing 6404 04:17:08,560 --> 04:17:12,080 and then we go from there. 6405 04:17:10,319 --> 04:17:14,880 » Commissioner N Williams Cox is making a 6406 04:17:12,080 --> 04:17:17,359 substitute motion for option number one. 6407 04:17:14,880 --> 04:17:20,159 Well, seconded by the mayor pro Tim. 6408 04:17:17,359 --> 04:17:22,080 » Um, on the substitute motion, this is 6409 04:17:20,159 --> 04:17:24,080 the first of two. This development 6410 04:17:22,080 --> 04:17:26,560 agreement has been going on for nearly 6411 04:17:24,080 --> 04:17:28,319 30 years now. We're over 30 years now. 6412 04:17:26,560 --> 04:17:30,080 We do have some questions that I respect 6413 04:17:28,319 --> 04:17:32,159 from our colleagues. We do need to work 6414 04:17:30,080 --> 04:17:34,000 in the next two weeks to make sure to 6415 04:17:32,159 --> 04:17:35,840 get it, but I'm not ready to pause quite 6416 04:17:34,000 --> 04:17:37,279 yet while we're still in the discussion 6417 04:17:35,840 --> 04:17:38,960 before moving forward to the second 6418 04:17:37,279 --> 04:17:42,000 public. Commissioner Porter. 6419 04:17:38,960 --> 04:17:44,720 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, yes, I had 6420 04:17:42,000 --> 04:17:46,880 questions, but it's my understanding 6421 04:17:44,720 --> 04:17:50,399 that when this comes back to us, I mean, 6422 04:17:46,880 --> 04:17:53,040 we're approving it. like we're not going 6423 04:17:50,399 --> 04:17:54,640 to the the development agreement coming 6424 04:17:53,040 --> 04:17:57,279 back to us for a second hearing is not 6425 04:17:54,640 --> 04:17:58,080 going to address the concerns that I 6426 04:17:57,279 --> 04:18:00,960 raised. 6427 04:17:58,080 --> 04:18:02,640 » Well, we have a very robust discussion 6428 04:18:00,960 --> 04:18:04,960 and you will have time between now and 6429 04:18:02,640 --> 04:18:06,640 then to work with staff to get all of 6430 04:18:04,960 --> 04:18:08,640 the questions answered that you have. 6431 04:18:06,640 --> 04:18:10,880 » Right. But I just want to clarify that 6432 04:18:08,640 --> 04:18:13,600 the language we approve today is the 6433 04:18:10,880 --> 04:18:15,600 language that will be before us at the 6434 04:18:13,600 --> 04:18:17,680 second public hearing and will not be 6435 04:18:15,600 --> 04:18:19,359 able to be amended then because it would 6436 04:18:17,680 --> 04:18:20,479 be considered I think a substantial 6437 04:18:19,359 --> 04:18:21,680 amendment. 6438 04:18:20,479 --> 04:18:25,040 » Is that accurate? 6439 04:18:21,680 --> 04:18:27,279 » Yes. Madam City and if the uh if the 6440 04:18:25,040 --> 04:18:29,760 answers are not satisfactory to this 6441 04:18:27,279 --> 04:18:31,439 board and still egregious then they will 6442 04:18:29,760 --> 04:18:33,359 be voted down at the time. These are 6443 04:18:31,439 --> 04:18:35,600 serious issues that are being raised and 6444 04:18:33,359 --> 04:18:37,520 discussed and this is a very big 6445 04:18:35,600 --> 04:18:39,199 development agreement that dates over 30 6446 04:18:37,520 --> 04:18:40,960 years. There is always the opportunity 6447 04:18:39,199 --> 04:18:42,640 for it to be defeated at the next public 6448 04:18:40,960 --> 04:18:44,000 hearing. Correct. 6449 04:18:42,640 --> 04:18:46,000 » All those in favor of the substitute 6450 04:18:44,000 --> 04:18:47,760 motion on the table made by Commissioner 6451 04:18:46,000 --> 04:18:49,040 Williams Cox second by the mayor pro Tim 6452 04:18:47,760 --> 04:18:49,359 signify by saying I. 6453 04:18:49,040 --> 04:18:51,199 » I. 6454 04:18:49,359 --> 04:18:52,720 » All those opposed. 6455 04:18:51,199 --> 04:18:54,319 » Passes three to two with Commissioner 6456 04:18:52,720 --> 04:18:56,080 Matlo and Commissioner Porter in 6457 04:18:54,319 --> 04:18:58,239 opposition. Do we have anything else 6458 04:18:56,080 --> 04:18:59,359 come before us at this public hearing? 6459 04:18:58,239 --> 04:19:03,040 » No, Mr. Mayor. 6460 04:18:59,359 --> 04:19:05,600 » Okay. We are on item number uh 12.03 6461 04:19:03,040 --> 04:19:07,120 under policy formation and direction. 6462 04:19:05,600 --> 04:19:09,680 Mr. Manager. 6463 04:19:07,120 --> 04:19:13,199 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Let me introduce 6464 04:19:09,680 --> 04:19:14,640 it. Christique, would you mind coming 6465 04:19:13,199 --> 04:19:16,880 forward if I could ask you to 6466 04:19:14,640 --> 04:19:18,239 participate? 6467 04:19:16,880 --> 04:19:20,560 Commissioners, you'll recall at your 6468 04:19:18,239 --> 04:19:22,720 last meeting, Commissioner Richardson 6469 04:19:20,560 --> 04:19:26,880 actually asked for this item to come 6470 04:19:22,720 --> 04:19:29,840 back. It involves the um Appalache Ridge 6471 04:19:26,880 --> 04:19:31,760 Technology Center that's located at 937 6472 04:19:29,840 --> 04:19:34,319 Kindle Drive. There's been [snorts] a 6473 04:19:31,760 --> 04:19:35,760 request from and Christique, you correct 6474 04:19:34,319 --> 04:19:37,439 me if I say this wrong. The Greater 6475 04:19:35,760 --> 04:19:39,199 Appalache Ridge Estates Neighborhood 6476 04:19:37,439 --> 04:19:40,640 Association. 6477 04:19:39,199 --> 04:19:41,279 And Miss Henry, are you representing 6478 04:19:40,640 --> 04:19:42,000 that group? 6479 04:19:41,279 --> 04:19:44,880 » Yes, sir, I am. 6480 04:19:42,000 --> 04:19:46,720 » And and Miss Henry has made the request. 6481 04:19:44,880 --> 04:19:48,560 Uh we've got a full agenda item that 6482 04:19:46,720 --> 04:19:50,399 talks about the facility, the nature of 6483 04:19:48,560 --> 04:19:52,319 the ownership, the maintenance, the 6484 04:19:50,399 --> 04:19:56,479 participation. as a technology center 6485 04:19:52,319 --> 04:19:59,520 for youth uh in the history of it. Um 6486 04:19:56,479 --> 04:20:01,520 » Mr. Mayor Tim, if I if I may, I think 6487 04:19:59,520 --> 04:20:03,439 it's best to ask Miss Henry just to give 6488 04:20:01,520 --> 04:20:04,239 us a quick summary of the request if you 6489 04:20:03,439 --> 04:20:04,720 don't mind. 6490 04:20:04,239 --> 04:20:07,120 » Okay. 6491 04:20:04,720 --> 04:20:08,479 » And then Wayne Tedar is uh the staff 6492 04:20:07,120 --> 04:20:09,840 member on this item. 6493 04:20:08,479 --> 04:20:11,520 » Did you have a question? 6494 04:20:09,840 --> 04:20:13,680 » My question is will there be a staff 6495 04:20:11,520 --> 04:20:16,560 presentation? 6496 04:20:13,680 --> 04:20:20,880 » Uh Mr. Tedar can summarize any matters 6497 04:20:16,560 --> 04:20:24,720 you you would like um and we'll fill in 6498 04:20:20,880 --> 04:20:26,000 any gaps that that may exist. 6499 04:20:24,720 --> 04:20:26,560 » Miss Henry. 6500 04:20:26,000 --> 04:20:28,720 » Okay. 6501 04:20:26,560 --> 04:20:30,080 » Hey y'all. How y'all doing? [laughter] 6502 04:20:28,720 --> 04:20:32,159 » Um [clears throat] first of all, thank 6503 04:20:30,080 --> 04:20:34,399 you so much commission for taking this 6504 04:20:32,159 --> 04:20:35,920 up as an item for consideration today. 6505 04:20:34,399 --> 04:20:38,640 Um let me just give you a little bit of 6506 04:20:35,920 --> 04:20:41,120 backdrop. Uh this item is the 6507 04:20:38,640 --> 04:20:43,760 culmination of over 20 years of resident 6508 04:20:41,120 --> 04:20:45,760 advocacy, resident engagement, and 6509 04:20:43,760 --> 04:20:47,760 resident leadership within the Appalache 6510 04:20:45,760 --> 04:20:50,800 Ridge and Greater Appalache Ridge, which 6511 04:20:47,760 --> 04:20:53,520 is what we call the 10.02 census tract 6512 04:20:50,800 --> 04:20:54,960 of Lyon County. Um the original 6513 04:20:53,520 --> 04:20:57,439 neighborhood improvement planning 6514 04:20:54,960 --> 04:21:00,239 process, which was adopted by the city, 6515 04:20:57,439 --> 04:21:01,680 did a whole lot of things that created a 6516 04:21:00,239 --> 04:21:03,439 lot of winds for the community. It 6517 04:21:01,680 --> 04:21:06,159 addressed storm water management, 6518 04:21:03,439 --> 04:21:08,720 traffic, and safety. It addressed issues 6519 04:21:06,159 --> 04:21:10,319 related to flooding. Um, it addressed a 6520 04:21:08,720 --> 04:21:13,680 whole lot of things and a whole lot of 6521 04:21:10,319 --> 04:21:15,760 winds that we have seen metriculate into 6522 04:21:13,680 --> 04:21:17,680 factors of value, increase in home 6523 04:21:15,760 --> 04:21:20,399 ownership, increase in economic 6524 04:21:17,680 --> 04:21:22,960 trajectory within that census track. 6525 04:21:20,399 --> 04:21:25,520 Part of that conversation was this 6526 04:21:22,960 --> 04:21:28,080 Appalache Ridge technology and learning 6527 04:21:25,520 --> 04:21:30,960 center. When it was created, it was 6528 04:21:28,080 --> 04:21:33,120 purchased with municipal funds, but it 6529 04:21:30,960 --> 04:21:34,800 was funded through a partnership that 6530 04:21:33,120 --> 04:21:36,239 was facilitated through an organization 6531 04:21:34,800 --> 04:21:38,479 called the Community Renaissance 6532 04:21:36,239 --> 04:21:40,720 Neighborhood Partnership. That community 6533 04:21:38,479 --> 04:21:43,199 renaissance neighborhood partnership had 6534 04:21:40,720 --> 04:21:45,279 over $60,000 of commitments from 6535 04:21:43,199 --> 04:21:47,680 municipal partners, Leyon County, city 6536 04:21:45,279 --> 04:21:49,680 Tallahassee, the state of Florida, 6537 04:21:47,680 --> 04:21:51,279 Florida State University, as well as in 6538 04:21:49,680 --> 04:21:53,279 kind personnel that came to the table 6539 04:21:51,279 --> 04:21:55,680 and said we will fund the programmatic 6540 04:21:53,279 --> 04:21:57,600 mission of this center as it relates and 6541 04:21:55,680 --> 04:21:59,359 as it as it resonates in the voice of 6542 04:21:57,600 --> 04:22:01,600 the residents who wanted it as a 6543 04:21:59,359 --> 04:22:04,399 facility at that time when we used 6544 04:22:01,600 --> 04:22:06,640 floppy discs and phone cords to get on 6545 04:22:04,399 --> 04:22:09,359 the internet. Um so that just lets you 6546 04:22:06,640 --> 04:22:12,479 know the context and the age of this ex 6547 04:22:09,359 --> 04:22:14,159 of this work. Um when the economic 6548 04:22:12,479 --> 04:22:16,720 recession hit the community programs 6549 04:22:14,159 --> 04:22:20,159 were in full swing at the time of um 6550 04:22:16,720 --> 04:22:21,520 launch in 2007 um reached youth within 6551 04:22:20,159 --> 04:22:23,279 our community. We have generations of 6552 04:22:21,520 --> 04:22:24,560 youth that are now employed by city and 6553 04:22:23,279 --> 04:22:25,920 state and local government and 6554 04:22:24,560 --> 04:22:27,760 businesses that went through the 6555 04:22:25,920 --> 04:22:30,239 Appalachin Ridge Technology and Learning 6556 04:22:27,760 --> 04:22:31,840 Center. There were much dollars, much 6557 04:22:30,239 --> 04:22:33,680 grant writing that happened that 6558 04:22:31,840 --> 04:22:36,159 benefited the work. But once the 6559 04:22:33,680 --> 04:22:38,640 economic recession hit the hit the 6560 04:22:36,159 --> 04:22:43,120 center, then we were at a place where we 6561 04:22:38,640 --> 04:22:45,279 could where that CNRP model fell into uh 6562 04:22:43,120 --> 04:22:47,840 decline. And so as a neighborhood 6563 04:22:45,279 --> 04:22:49,840 association, we were faced with one 6564 04:22:47,840 --> 04:22:51,279 option, not two, because we weren't 6565 04:22:49,840 --> 04:22:53,040 going to close it down. That was the 6566 04:22:51,279 --> 04:22:54,800 vision. That was the value. That was the 6567 04:22:53,040 --> 04:22:56,479 voice of the residents resonating 6568 04:22:54,800 --> 04:22:59,359 through the work of that center that 6569 04:22:56,479 --> 04:23:01,439 would impact the generations to come. So 6570 04:22:59,359 --> 04:23:03,439 under the management of uh Nita favors 6571 04:23:01,439 --> 04:23:05,520 at the time she said Christique bring us 6572 04:23:03,439 --> 04:23:07,600 a proposal from the neighborhood engage 6573 04:23:05,520 --> 04:23:09,840 them and see what they want to do which 6574 04:23:07,600 --> 04:23:11,680 is what we did. We came up with a 6575 04:23:09,840 --> 04:23:13,840 resolution for the Gina Greater 6576 04:23:11,680 --> 04:23:16,640 Appalache Ridge Neighborhood Association 6577 04:23:13,840 --> 04:23:18,640 to become its own 501c3. 6578 04:23:16,640 --> 04:23:20,479 In that process we worked very intently 6579 04:23:18,640 --> 04:23:22,640 with the Tallahassee Lenders Consortium 6580 04:23:20,479 --> 04:23:24,479 because we had grant dollars that we 6581 04:23:22,640 --> 04:23:26,720 were attracting to the facility but 6582 04:23:24,479 --> 04:23:28,720 because we weren't a 501c3 at the time 6583 04:23:26,720 --> 04:23:31,199 we could not use them. So they engaged 6584 04:23:28,720 --> 04:23:33,600 as our fiscal agent to fund programming 6585 04:23:31,199 --> 04:23:35,600 to fund resource at that time. Through 6586 04:23:33,600 --> 04:23:37,520 the city's leadership and partnership, 6587 04:23:35,600 --> 04:23:40,080 we were able to arrive at a lease 6588 04:23:37,520 --> 04:23:42,319 agreement during that time that that 6589 04:23:40,080 --> 04:23:43,520 resonated and that spoke of what we 6590 04:23:42,319 --> 04:23:45,359 wanted to do as a neighborhood 6591 04:23:43,520 --> 04:23:47,120 association, how we would raise our 6592 04:23:45,359 --> 04:23:48,800 capability and resources to be able to 6593 04:23:47,120 --> 04:23:50,960 do it. And at the end of that lease, 6594 04:23:48,800 --> 04:23:54,159 which started in 2016 and expired in 6595 04:23:50,960 --> 04:23:56,800 2019, we would be considered as the 6596 04:23:54,159 --> 04:24:00,800 long-term owner or long-term site 6597 04:23:56,800 --> 04:24:03,840 proprietor for that facility. Um, now 6598 04:24:00,800 --> 04:24:05,920 let's take it from 2019 until now. So, 6599 04:24:03,840 --> 04:24:07,680 we were at will as a tenant and were 6600 04:24:05,920 --> 04:24:09,840 able to get liability insurance because 6601 04:24:07,680 --> 04:24:12,159 you can't function as a center without 6602 04:24:09,840 --> 04:24:14,399 those types of coverages. And so, we had 6603 04:24:12,159 --> 04:24:16,239 those as line items. They were um sent 6604 04:24:14,399 --> 04:24:18,159 forth to the city commission as a part 6605 04:24:16,239 --> 04:24:20,319 of our budget. and how we spent quite 6606 04:24:18,159 --> 04:24:22,720 frankly our facility dollars that we got 6607 04:24:20,319 --> 04:24:24,560 through the city's continued $10,000 6608 04:24:22,720 --> 04:24:26,399 commitment because remember when the 6609 04:24:24,560 --> 04:24:28,159 recession hit all the other money left. 6610 04:24:26,399 --> 04:24:29,600 The only money that remained was the 10 6611 04:24:28,159 --> 04:24:31,439 that the city was given and they 6612 04:24:29,600 --> 04:24:33,279 continued to give it. They also 6613 04:24:31,439 --> 04:24:35,199 continued to work with us to address 6614 04:24:33,279 --> 04:24:36,800 capital needs for the facility. They 6615 04:24:35,199 --> 04:24:39,279 replaced the roof. They replaced the 6616 04:24:36,800 --> 04:24:43,359 HVAC system. They worked with us to 6617 04:24:39,279 --> 04:24:45,279 invest over $53,000 in site improvements 6618 04:24:43,359 --> 04:24:47,279 that we curated grants in order to 6619 04:24:45,279 --> 04:24:49,199 address not just the capital needs 6620 04:24:47,279 --> 04:24:51,120 within the facility but also the 6621 04:24:49,199 --> 04:24:53,279 technological need because we had 6622 04:24:51,120 --> 04:24:54,720 computers with big screens and big 6623 04:24:53,279 --> 04:24:57,199 banks. So we didn't want big back 6624 04:24:54,720 --> 04:24:59,279 computers in our facility. So we were 6625 04:24:57,199 --> 04:25:01,760 able to curate through partnership the 6626 04:24:59,279 --> 04:25:04,239 donation of 24 units in partnership with 6627 04:25:01,760 --> 04:25:06,720 figures communication and they gave us 6628 04:25:04,239 --> 04:25:09,120 web-based platform computers that are 6629 04:25:06,720 --> 04:25:11,840 posted up even now and were serviced in 6630 04:25:09,120 --> 04:25:13,760 partnership again with KERS which is the 6631 04:25:11,840 --> 04:25:16,560 Tallahassee board of realtors their 6632 04:25:13,760 --> 04:25:19,279 technology component they came and did a 6633 04:25:16,560 --> 04:25:22,399 complete assessment rewiring of the 6634 04:25:19,279 --> 04:25:24,319 complete facility they did it at 60% of 6635 04:25:22,399 --> 04:25:27,359 what they would do at value and we had 6636 04:25:24,319 --> 04:25:29,600 written for that 60% in grants. Now, 6637 04:25:27,359 --> 04:25:32,399 keep in mind, we are still operating 6638 04:25:29,600 --> 04:25:34,800 without sight control as it relates to a 6639 04:25:32,399 --> 04:25:37,359 renewed lease. We are functioning with 6640 04:25:34,800 --> 04:25:40,960 insurance. And guess what? They said, 6641 04:25:37,359 --> 04:25:42,960 "Hey, we need to renew. Where's your 6642 04:25:40,960 --> 04:25:45,199 lease?" 6643 04:25:42,960 --> 04:25:48,080 And we didn't have one. 6644 04:25:45,199 --> 04:25:50,960 » This was 2024. This is at the foothills 6645 04:25:48,080 --> 04:25:53,040 of a huge, huge launch of a community 6646 04:25:50,960 --> 04:25:56,640 technology forum in partnership with 6647 04:25:53,040 --> 04:25:58,720 Comcast where they gave us over $75,000. 6648 04:25:56,640 --> 04:26:01,279 The previous year they gave us $50,000 6649 04:25:58,720 --> 04:26:03,439 to implement the um the affordable 6650 04:26:01,279 --> 04:26:06,159 connectivity program through the federal 6651 04:26:03,439 --> 04:26:08,399 government and gave us 50 computers to 6652 04:26:06,159 --> 04:26:10,800 give to residents who were in need. We 6653 04:26:08,399 --> 04:26:12,800 used those funds to be able to do 6654 04:26:10,800 --> 04:26:14,720 community techups. We partner with local 6655 04:26:12,800 --> 04:26:16,800 computer repair companies and we brought 6656 04:26:14,720 --> 04:26:18,960 residents in to bring their computers, 6657 04:26:16,800 --> 04:26:21,760 either get them fixed or assess them for 6658 04:26:18,960 --> 04:26:25,040 replacement with our laptops. 6659 04:26:21,760 --> 04:26:28,000 Lots of great stuff, but we're still at 6660 04:26:25,040 --> 04:26:30,239 will. We would like the history of the 6661 04:26:28,000 --> 04:26:31,920 advocacy of this organization, the 6662 04:26:30,239 --> 04:26:33,600 history of the resident voice as it 6663 04:26:31,920 --> 04:26:35,840 relates to this facility to be heard 6664 04:26:33,600 --> 04:26:38,880 tonight. And we will ask this commission 6665 04:26:35,840 --> 04:26:41,680 to consider transferring the site to the 6666 04:26:38,880 --> 04:26:43,840 neighborhood association gina as a 501c3 6667 04:26:41,680 --> 04:26:45,680 nonprofit organization with deed 6668 04:26:43,840 --> 04:26:48,000 restrictions that would speak to the use 6669 04:26:45,680 --> 04:26:50,239 of the facility in perpetuity for the 6670 04:26:48,000 --> 04:26:52,560 purposes identified within that 6671 04:26:50,239 --> 04:26:54,080 neighborhood improvement plan. Also, we 6672 04:26:52,560 --> 04:26:57,120 would love for y'all to continue to give 6673 04:26:54,080 --> 04:26:58,800 us that $10,000 in partnership. Um, but 6674 04:26:57,120 --> 04:27:00,640 that's not the major thing. The major 6675 04:26:58,800 --> 04:27:02,960 thing is obtaining the site control 6676 04:27:00,640 --> 04:27:05,120 necessary to execute fully our 6677 04:27:02,960 --> 04:27:06,800 programmatic delivery um in the work of 6678 04:27:05,120 --> 04:27:09,279 that center. I think it's important to 6679 04:27:06,800 --> 04:27:11,279 understand also we we don't serve rich 6680 04:27:09,279 --> 04:27:13,439 people. 6681 04:27:11,279 --> 04:27:16,479 We serve people who we our neighborhood 6682 04:27:13,439 --> 04:27:19,120 has a 45% poverty rate. We don't serve 6683 04:27:16,479 --> 04:27:22,720 rich people. Our residents have that per 6684 04:27:19,120 --> 04:27:25,760 capita income of $35,000. We don't serve 6685 04:27:22,720 --> 04:27:29,760 rich people. But guess what? between 6686 04:27:25,760 --> 04:27:32,880 2008 and now we started out in our NIP 6687 04:27:29,760 --> 04:27:34,800 with a 40 with a 52% home ownership 6688 04:27:32,880 --> 04:27:36,880 rate. It dipped down based on the 6689 04:27:34,800 --> 04:27:38,640 recession to 43%. But through 6690 04:27:36,880 --> 04:27:41,840 programmatic delivery and continued 6691 04:27:38,640 --> 04:27:44,800 engagement that has actually gone up and 6692 04:27:41,840 --> 04:27:47,120 back to 53%. So the work of the 6693 04:27:44,800 --> 04:27:49,600 neighborhood association continues and 6694 04:27:47,120 --> 04:27:52,159 we want to make sure that we get another 6695 04:27:49,600 --> 04:27:54,479 win tonight by getting site control 6696 04:27:52,159 --> 04:27:55,840 access site control of that property so 6697 04:27:54,479 --> 04:27:58,000 that we can fully execute our 6698 04:27:55,840 --> 04:28:00,239 programmatic delivery for our grant our 6699 04:27:58,000 --> 04:28:02,479 partners and seek additional resources 6700 04:28:00,239 --> 04:28:04,239 to continue the vision of the residents 6701 04:28:02,479 --> 04:28:06,239 of the Appalache Ridge Estates 6702 04:28:04,239 --> 04:28:08,560 neighborhood. Thank you. 6703 04:28:06,239 --> 04:28:11,279 » Commissioners are go ahead mayor's back. 6704 04:28:08,560 --> 04:28:13,439 Are there any questions for Miss Henry 6705 04:28:11,279 --> 04:28:15,680 any speaker? 6706 04:28:13,439 --> 04:28:16,319 Is there do we have any speakers on this 6707 04:28:15,680 --> 04:28:18,720 issue? 6708 04:28:16,319 --> 04:28:20,720 » Mr. Mayor, Pro Tim, Mr. Mayor, if if I 6709 04:28:18,720 --> 04:28:22,800 could. Okay. Just to make sure there's 6710 04:28:20,720 --> 04:28:24,319 continuity. And by the way, Miss Henry, 6711 04:28:22,800 --> 04:28:26,239 thank you. That was very clear. I think 6712 04:28:24,319 --> 04:28:28,560 it was a good presentation. 6713 04:28:26,239 --> 04:28:30,080 » If Mr. Tedar could explain the ownership 6714 04:28:28,560 --> 04:28:32,479 that we have today, okay, 6715 04:28:30,080 --> 04:28:34,560 » And how possibly a transfer via our real 6716 04:28:32,479 --> 04:28:36,080 estate policy would work. I think that 6717 04:28:34,560 --> 04:28:37,439 might be helpful to the commission. 6718 04:28:36,080 --> 04:28:41,439 » Okay. 6719 04:28:37,439 --> 04:28:44,800 » Good afternoon, commissioners. Um, 6720 04:28:41,439 --> 04:28:50,080 in terms of if you direct staff to 6721 04:28:44,800 --> 04:28:51,680 transfer this over to uh the the arena, 6722 04:28:50,080 --> 04:28:55,600 um, it it would be just a simple 6723 04:28:51,680 --> 04:28:57,600 direction uh for staff to work with a an 6724 04:28:55,600 --> 04:28:59,120 agreement to do that transfer. I think 6725 04:28:57,600 --> 04:29:01,040 during some of the briefings you had a 6726 04:28:59,120 --> 04:29:01,920 question, have we done this uh somewhere 6727 04:29:01,040 --> 04:29:03,520 before? 6728 04:29:01,920 --> 04:29:05,279 » Uh, one of the places that we have done 6729 04:29:03,520 --> 04:29:07,840 it is the NAACP building. 6730 04:29:05,279 --> 04:29:09,359 » That's right. Uh I think in 2001 we 6731 04:29:07,840 --> 04:29:10,960 purchased a piece of property for about 6732 04:29:09,359 --> 04:29:13,520 $60,000. 6733 04:29:10,960 --> 04:29:17,040 Uh 2004 6734 04:29:13,520 --> 04:29:19,520 we approved a lease uh with the NAACP uh 6735 04:29:17,040 --> 04:29:23,279 for an extended period of time. And then 6736 04:29:19,520 --> 04:29:26,960 in 2020 uh you all directed staff to uh 6737 04:29:23,279 --> 04:29:28,800 transfer the property uh to the NAACP 6738 04:29:26,960 --> 04:29:33,120 uh with certain restrictions and those 6739 04:29:28,800 --> 04:29:35,040 restrictions expire in 2031. Uh, another 6740 04:29:33,120 --> 04:29:36,960 common question I think maybe occurred 6741 04:29:35,040 --> 04:29:38,960 during some of the briefings was, have 6742 04:29:36,960 --> 04:29:41,520 we done an appraisal of the site? We 6743 04:29:38,960 --> 04:29:43,600 have not. Uh, looking at Zyo, uh, 6744 04:29:41,520 --> 04:29:46,080 Zillow, uh, we know that there are some 6745 04:29:43,600 --> 04:29:49,120 homes for sale in the area between 6746 04:29:46,080 --> 04:29:50,880 150,000 and $230,000. 6747 04:29:49,120 --> 04:29:52,880 I would say this property would be on 6748 04:29:50,880 --> 04:29:54,800 the very low end of that because it's 6749 04:29:52,880 --> 04:29:56,479 not a single family home. So, in other 6750 04:29:54,800 --> 04:29:58,960 words, to put it back into a single 6751 04:29:56,479 --> 04:30:01,279 family home condition, you will need to 6752 04:29:58,960 --> 04:30:03,760 spend a number of dollars to be able to 6753 04:30:01,279 --> 04:30:06,000 do that. Uh, and then I think lastly, a 6754 04:30:03,760 --> 04:30:08,080 question about uh the agreement and why 6755 04:30:06,000 --> 04:30:10,399 we were doing monthtomonth and it really 6756 04:30:08,080 --> 04:30:13,199 allowed the the services to continue out 6757 04:30:10,399 --> 04:30:15,120 there until a situation like this 6758 04:30:13,199 --> 04:30:17,359 occurs. Uh, now we're getting approach 6759 04:30:15,120 --> 04:30:19,199 to say, hey, in order for us to do our 6760 04:30:17,359 --> 04:30:21,520 job and be able to take in money and to 6761 04:30:19,199 --> 04:30:23,760 do a better job out at that facility, we 6762 04:30:21,520 --> 04:30:26,080 need to have long-term ownership. So, if 6763 04:30:23,760 --> 04:30:28,000 it's a long-term lease, you direct me to 6764 04:30:26,080 --> 04:30:30,159 do that and I will have staff write out 6765 04:30:28,000 --> 04:30:32,000 a long-term lease. If it's to transfer 6766 04:30:30,159 --> 04:30:34,080 the property, we can do that as well. 6767 04:30:32,000 --> 04:30:35,680 It' be a simple work through the terms 6768 04:30:34,080 --> 04:30:38,640 of the contract. And I would say like 6769 04:30:35,680 --> 04:30:40,560 the NAACP, there's reverted clause. So, 6770 04:30:38,640 --> 04:30:42,000 I would expect that if we transferred it 6771 04:30:40,560 --> 04:30:43,840 to it, there would be a reverted clause 6772 04:30:42,000 --> 04:30:46,960 to come back to the city if it ever 6773 04:30:43,840 --> 04:30:49,279 exist ceased to exist or the association 6774 04:30:46,960 --> 04:30:52,279 ceased to exist uh to operate this 6775 04:30:49,279 --> 04:30:52,279 facility. 6776 04:30:55,120 --> 04:30:58,960 All right. 6777 04:30:57,600 --> 04:31:00,479 Any other public comment? 6778 04:30:58,960 --> 04:31:03,920 » Yes, sir. We do have speakers on the 6779 04:31:00,479 --> 04:31:05,279 item. Uh about a half dozen, maybe 6780 04:31:03,920 --> 04:31:07,279 eight. Uh the first speaker would be 6781 04:31:05,279 --> 04:31:08,560 Leroy Peek 6782 04:31:07,279 --> 04:31:10,239 and then the second speaker will be 6783 04:31:08,560 --> 04:31:11,520 Gregory James. 6784 04:31:10,239 --> 04:31:12,399 » Your name and address for the record, 6785 04:31:11,520 --> 04:31:16,000 please. 6786 04:31:12,399 --> 04:31:18,159 » Leroy Peek. Public records exempt. 6787 04:31:16,000 --> 04:31:19,520 I will certify this commission that I 6788 04:31:18,159 --> 04:31:20,880 live within the corporate limits of the 6789 04:31:19,520 --> 04:31:25,120 city of Tallahassee and have lived in 6790 04:31:20,880 --> 04:31:26,000 this community since the fall of 1976. 6791 04:31:25,120 --> 04:31:26,720 » Good evening. 6792 04:31:26,000 --> 04:31:28,319 » Good evening. 6793 04:31:26,720 --> 04:31:29,840 » I stand before you this evening as the 6794 04:31:28,319 --> 04:31:32,720 president of the council of neighborhood 6795 04:31:29,840 --> 04:31:35,680 associations of Tallahass Leon County. 6796 04:31:32,720 --> 04:31:37,680 Um and I stand here in full support of 6797 04:31:35,680 --> 04:31:40,960 the request coming from the greater 6798 04:31:37,680 --> 04:31:44,640 Appalach Neighborhood Association. 6799 04:31:40,960 --> 04:31:46,800 Um I'll summarize some of my comments. 6800 04:31:44,640 --> 04:31:48,880 Kona exists 6801 04:31:46,800 --> 04:31:51,199 because this community believes that 6802 04:31:48,880 --> 04:31:53,439 residents organized, 6803 04:31:51,199 --> 04:31:56,720 engaged, and empowered are the best 6804 04:31:53,439 --> 04:31:58,720 stewards of their neighborhoods. 6805 04:31:56,720 --> 04:32:01,439 This is the philosophy behind every 6806 04:31:58,720 --> 04:32:03,920 neighborhood association that this city 6807 04:32:01,439 --> 04:32:06,920 has recognized, partnered with, or 6808 04:32:03,920 --> 04:32:06,920 funded. 6809 04:32:06,960 --> 04:32:09,840 The Greater Appalachia Ridge 6810 04:32:08,319 --> 04:32:12,080 Neighborhood, the state's neighborhood 6811 04:32:09,840 --> 04:32:14,080 association, is put in a lot of work, a 6812 04:32:12,080 --> 04:32:16,960 lot of resources. 6813 04:32:14,080 --> 04:32:19,520 They've marshaled over $100,000 in 6814 04:32:16,960 --> 04:32:21,359 volunteer labor. 6815 04:32:19,520 --> 04:32:24,960 They've 6816 04:32:21,359 --> 04:32:27,760 come up with in excess of $186,000 in 6817 04:32:24,960 --> 04:32:29,920 grants and other funding for the past 6818 04:32:27,760 --> 04:32:32,880 couple of years. They've advocated for 6819 04:32:29,920 --> 04:32:35,359 the for the legislature for additional 6820 04:32:32,880 --> 04:32:36,880 funding and support. This is the kind of 6821 04:32:35,359 --> 04:32:39,920 thing we encourage all of our 6822 04:32:36,880 --> 04:32:42,479 neighborhoods to do. Put in the work. 6823 04:32:39,920 --> 04:32:45,439 seek resources outside of the city, 6824 04:32:42,479 --> 04:32:48,399 outside of government. 6825 04:32:45,439 --> 04:32:51,680 They put in the work. 6826 04:32:48,399 --> 04:32:53,359 You You've heard the vision. It didn't 6827 04:32:51,680 --> 04:32:55,840 come from outside of the neighborhood. 6828 04:32:53,359 --> 04:32:58,159 It came from the neighborhood. 6829 04:32:55,840 --> 04:33:00,640 And they're asking you 6830 04:32:58,159 --> 04:33:02,319 to allow them to continue to do that 6831 04:33:00,640 --> 04:33:04,080 work. 6832 04:33:02,319 --> 04:33:05,840 And I, as the president of the Council 6833 04:33:04,080 --> 04:33:08,719 of Neighborhood Associations, I stand 6834 04:33:05,840 --> 04:33:10,480 here in full support of that. Thank you. 6835 04:33:08,719 --> 04:33:12,959 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 6836 04:33:10,480 --> 04:33:16,879 » Next speaker is Gregory James, followed 6837 04:33:12,959 --> 04:33:21,561 by Dodd Enman Johnson. 6838 04:33:16,879 --> 04:33:21,561 Mr. James, then Dodd Enman Johnson. 6839 04:33:25,279 --> 04:33:29,561 Name and address for the record, please. 6840 04:33:32,959 --> 04:33:42,400 » Dinman Johnson, 2121 Trescot Drive. 6841 04:33:38,320 --> 04:33:44,799 Uh I am opposed to 6842 04:33:42,400 --> 04:33:47,119 a lease 6843 04:33:44,799 --> 04:33:50,719 for this property 6844 04:33:47,119 --> 04:33:54,240 because this center 6845 04:33:50,719 --> 04:33:58,959 technology and learning center predates 6846 04:33:54,240 --> 04:34:03,119 almost everybody up there on the dis. 6847 04:33:58,959 --> 04:34:04,879 uh it's been there serving that 6848 04:34:03,119 --> 04:34:07,520 community 6849 04:34:04,879 --> 04:34:10,160 for 6850 04:34:07,520 --> 04:34:15,279 couple of decades 6851 04:34:10,160 --> 04:34:19,119 and uh I don't think you can compare it 6852 04:34:15,279 --> 04:34:22,400 to the NAACP 6853 04:34:19,119 --> 04:34:26,639 because it operates more like a 6854 04:34:22,400 --> 04:34:29,359 community service center for the people 6855 04:34:26,639 --> 04:34:32,000 there. 6856 04:34:29,359 --> 04:34:36,439 A few years ago, 6857 04:34:32,000 --> 04:34:36,439 the two the 32304 6858 04:34:36,879 --> 04:34:43,680 census track 6859 04:34:39,039 --> 04:34:47,119 was determined to be the lowest income 6860 04:34:43,680 --> 04:34:50,520 census track in the state. 6861 04:34:47,119 --> 04:34:50,520 The 32301 6862 04:34:50,639 --> 04:35:00,320 was determined to be second in line. 6863 04:34:55,520 --> 04:35:05,600 The residents of this area deserve 6864 04:35:00,320 --> 04:35:07,199 to have that property and that center 6865 04:35:05,600 --> 04:35:09,600 transferred. 6866 04:35:07,199 --> 04:35:12,561 I would recommend 6867 04:35:09,600 --> 04:35:14,879 or at least introduce 6868 04:35:12,561 --> 04:35:20,000 two options. 6869 04:35:14,879 --> 04:35:22,561 One to transfer it the ownership as the 6870 04:35:20,000 --> 04:35:25,840 neighborhood is requesting. 6871 04:35:22,561 --> 04:35:28,799 The second is to treat it like a 6872 04:35:25,840 --> 04:35:33,680 neighborhood service center 6873 04:35:28,799 --> 04:35:38,719 and the city provide the services for 6874 04:35:33,680 --> 04:35:43,920 that center because there is no 6875 04:35:38,719 --> 04:35:47,680 hope that forever they will be able to 6876 04:35:43,920 --> 04:35:49,199 patch together the grants to keep this 6877 04:35:47,680 --> 04:35:53,199 going. 6878 04:35:49,199 --> 04:35:55,359 And Christic is a very passionate 6879 04:35:53,199 --> 04:35:58,160 supporter. 6880 04:35:55,359 --> 04:36:00,160 But if Christic 6881 04:35:58,160 --> 04:36:04,561 ever decided 6882 04:36:00,160 --> 04:36:08,719 she was not going to do that, who would 6883 04:36:04,561 --> 04:36:11,199 be as passionate to step up and take on 6884 04:36:08,719 --> 04:36:12,639 all of that responsibility 6885 04:36:11,199 --> 04:36:15,840 for that center? 6886 04:36:12,639 --> 04:36:19,039 » You're at 30 seconds. My recommendation 6887 04:36:15,840 --> 04:36:22,320 is either the transfer I support what 6888 04:36:19,039 --> 04:36:26,799 the neighborhood is asking for, 6889 04:36:22,320 --> 04:36:30,080 but I think the city should take on more 6890 04:36:26,799 --> 04:36:33,279 responsibility for the insurance and the 6891 04:36:30,080 --> 04:36:35,279 support of that center. Thank you. 6892 04:36:33,279 --> 04:36:39,680 » Our next speaker, please 6893 04:36:35,279 --> 04:36:41,840 » Joyce Morgan, followed by Elton Thomas. 6894 04:36:39,680 --> 04:36:47,359 » Your name and address for the record. 6895 04:36:41,840 --> 04:36:49,359 Joyce Morgan, 926 Millard Street. As a I 6896 04:36:47,359 --> 04:36:53,039 speak to you as an association member 6897 04:36:49,359 --> 04:36:55,760 since the 1990s, the mid1 1990s, we 6898 04:36:53,039 --> 04:36:57,520 appreciate the city's actions and the 6899 04:36:55,760 --> 04:37:00,240 development and the fulfillment of the 6900 04:36:57,520 --> 04:37:03,039 plans of the southside and also the 6901 04:37:00,240 --> 04:37:04,959 Appalache Ridge estate plans. We 6902 04:37:03,039 --> 04:37:07,920 understand that our current position is 6903 04:37:04,959 --> 04:37:11,840 due in part to a lack of continuity and 6904 04:37:07,920 --> 04:37:13,920 knowledge as to how the center operates 6905 04:37:11,840 --> 04:37:15,600 and continues to operate in what we 6906 04:37:13,920 --> 04:37:17,920 need. 6907 04:37:15,600 --> 04:37:21,119 We have residents that we service from 6908 04:37:17,920 --> 04:37:24,639 Appalache Ridge Estates, Lyn Haven, Fair 6909 04:37:21,119 --> 04:37:28,240 View, Meridian Park, and Council Estates 6910 04:37:24,639 --> 04:37:31,600 who are asking us what are we doing? But 6911 04:37:28,240 --> 04:37:34,160 because we don't have site control and 6912 04:37:31,600 --> 04:37:36,480 because we can't get the insurance, it 6913 04:37:34,160 --> 04:37:38,959 would be irresponsible to open the 6914 04:37:36,480 --> 04:37:41,039 center and have people come in and out. 6915 04:37:38,959 --> 04:37:42,959 So, we're asking 6916 04:37:41,039 --> 04:37:47,279 to please 6917 04:37:42,959 --> 04:37:50,639 um at this point to grant our request 6918 04:37:47,279 --> 04:37:53,199 for a transfer so that we can use the 6919 04:37:50,639 --> 04:37:55,840 facility as it has been intended and as 6920 04:37:53,199 --> 04:37:58,160 it has been used in the past. Thank you. 6921 04:37:55,840 --> 04:38:02,400 Our next speaker, please. 6922 04:37:58,160 --> 04:38:04,480 » Elton Thomas and then James Morgan. 6923 04:38:02,400 --> 04:38:07,680 » Name and address for the record, please. 6924 04:38:04,480 --> 04:38:10,080 » Elton E. Thomas. 6925 04:38:07,680 --> 04:38:13,439 Address 806 6926 04:38:10,080 --> 04:38:16,799 Apache Street. I'm coming to speak to 6927 04:38:13,439 --> 04:38:19,359 you as a resident of Appalache Ridge. 6928 04:38:16,799 --> 04:38:22,561 I've been in Appalache Ridge for about 6929 04:38:19,359 --> 04:38:24,320 40 something years now. I saw this 6930 04:38:22,561 --> 04:38:26,639 project when it I was there when the 6931 04:38:24,320 --> 04:38:30,959 project was started. 6932 04:38:26,639 --> 04:38:33,279 The amount of um enthusiasm, the it it 6933 04:38:30,959 --> 04:38:36,000 was like a boom when we first got the 6934 04:38:33,279 --> 04:38:38,320 learning center put in the neighborhood. 6935 04:38:36,000 --> 04:38:40,879 We had the children coming there after 6936 04:38:38,320 --> 04:38:43,439 school every day. We had volunteers from 6937 04:38:40,879 --> 04:38:45,840 the uh major universities there every 6938 04:38:43,439 --> 04:38:47,920 day. Eventually, we got had adults 6939 04:38:45,840 --> 04:38:50,240 coming because we were running programs 6940 04:38:47,920 --> 04:38:54,000 not just for the children in technology. 6941 04:38:50,240 --> 04:38:56,719 We were running programs to help adults 6942 04:38:54,000 --> 04:38:59,760 manage or gain better skills for 6943 04:38:56,719 --> 04:39:02,320 employment. A few years ago, it seemed 6944 04:38:59,760 --> 04:39:05,439 like the second coming of the credit of 6945 04:39:02,320 --> 04:39:08,480 the uh building after we had lost the um 6946 04:39:05,439 --> 04:39:12,080 well, the the economy kind of put 6947 04:39:08,480 --> 04:39:15,920 everything on a downside. Um 2024 looked 6948 04:39:12,080 --> 04:39:18,639 like happy days were here again. Um but 6949 04:39:15,920 --> 04:39:20,400 without control of the building those 6950 04:39:18,639 --> 04:39:21,920 things 6951 04:39:20,400 --> 04:39:23,840 have struggled or the things we're 6952 04:39:21,920 --> 04:39:26,320 trying to do we're struggling to do that 6953 04:39:23,840 --> 04:39:30,240 we spent a lot of money and to upgrade 6954 04:39:26,320 --> 04:39:32,320 the building. We would ask you 6955 04:39:30,240 --> 04:39:34,240 to give us the site control so that we 6956 04:39:32,320 --> 04:39:35,680 can have the programs that we want. We 6957 04:39:34,240 --> 04:39:39,680 can have the investment from third 6958 04:39:35,680 --> 04:39:41,440 parties that were willing to assist us. 6959 04:39:39,680 --> 04:39:43,360 So that's why I'm here just to ask you 6960 04:39:41,440 --> 04:39:46,798 to give us control of the building. We 6961 04:39:43,360 --> 04:39:48,160 would appreciate that. Thank you. 6962 04:39:46,798 --> 04:39:50,638 » Our next speaker, please. 6963 04:39:48,160 --> 04:39:54,120 » Next is James Morgan. 6964 04:39:50,638 --> 04:39:54,120 Our last speaker, 6965 04:39:54,560 --> 04:40:03,562 » James Morgan, 926 Philip Street. And I 6966 04:39:58,958 --> 04:40:04,718 would like to yield my time, Mr. Kenry. 6967 04:40:03,562 --> 04:40:06,638 [laughter] 6968 04:40:04,718 --> 04:40:09,120 » Sir, we don't we don't excuse me. We 6969 04:40:06,638 --> 04:40:10,638 don't yield the time. It's your time. 6970 04:40:09,120 --> 04:40:12,560 We've had an opportunity to heard from 6971 04:40:10,638 --> 04:40:15,440 Christique. So, go ahead and say your 6972 04:40:12,560 --> 04:40:15,440 piece. 6973 04:40:16,664 --> 04:40:20,798 » [laughter] 6974 04:40:18,160 --> 04:40:22,240 » Okay. Well, I try to yield my time to 6975 04:40:20,798 --> 04:40:24,240 Chris because she has the most 6976 04:40:22,240 --> 04:40:27,600 information and has put in some 6977 04:40:24,240 --> 04:40:31,200 incredible work and we would generally 6978 04:40:27,600 --> 04:40:34,160 ask you to consider transferring 6979 04:40:31,200 --> 04:40:36,080 the house to arena. Thank you. 6980 04:40:34,160 --> 04:40:37,840 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please. 6981 04:40:36,080 --> 04:40:40,000 » No further speakers on this item. 6982 04:40:37,840 --> 04:40:42,240 » Colleagues, uh, Mayor Pim. 6983 04:40:40,000 --> 04:40:45,040 » Thank you. Uh, Mr. Mayor, I I first of 6984 04:40:42,240 --> 04:40:46,878 all want to thank uh Christique for the 6985 04:40:45,040 --> 04:40:50,000 leadership that she's provided in 6986 04:40:46,878 --> 04:40:53,040 getting us to this point, but all of the 6987 04:40:50,000 --> 04:40:54,480 neighbors and volunteers who have worked 6988 04:40:53,040 --> 04:40:57,200 tirelessly 6989 04:40:54,480 --> 04:41:00,548 » To provide programs and services at that 6990 04:40:57,200 --> 04:41:03,840 technology center. I've watched it uh 6991 04:41:00,548 --> 04:41:07,760 [snorts] succeed and grow over the years 6992 04:41:03,840 --> 04:41:10,798 and uh I I I know that the neighborhood 6993 04:41:07,760 --> 04:41:13,760 association and the volunteers would do 6994 04:41:10,798 --> 04:41:16,638 a tremendous job uh in providing 6995 04:41:13,760 --> 04:41:19,360 services those continued services for 6996 04:41:16,638 --> 04:41:22,798 the children and families uh in the 6997 04:41:19,360 --> 04:41:27,360 Appalachia Ridge neighborhood but in the 6998 04:41:22,798 --> 04:41:30,718 broader air service area that would be 6999 04:41:27,360 --> 04:41:33,760 provided uh uh through that technology 7000 04:41:30,718 --> 04:41:36,160 center. And so, Mr. Mayor, I would uh 7001 04:41:33,760 --> 04:41:38,798 recommend that we work out an agreement 7002 04:41:36,160 --> 04:41:41,440 with the Greater Appalache Ridge 7003 04:41:38,798 --> 04:41:44,638 Neighborhood Association to transfer 7004 04:41:41,440 --> 04:41:45,440 site control of that facility to that 7005 04:41:44,638 --> 04:41:45,920 organization. 7006 04:41:45,440 --> 04:41:50,560 » Second. 7007 04:41:45,920 --> 04:41:53,360 » Second. Uh motion's been made for 7008 04:41:50,560 --> 04:41:57,120 our team to work uh on the transfer 7009 04:41:53,360 --> 04:41:58,638 agreement for site control. Uh seconded 7010 04:41:57,120 --> 04:42:00,400 by Commissioner Williams Cox, 7011 04:41:58,638 --> 04:42:01,200 Commissioner Williams Cox for 7012 04:42:00,400 --> 04:42:03,040 discussion. 7013 04:42:01,200 --> 04:42:04,400 » Thank you. And I I want to echo what 7014 04:42:03,040 --> 04:42:07,360 Commissioner Richardson has said because 7015 04:42:04,400 --> 04:42:10,240 I've watched it. I've visited a time or 7016 04:42:07,360 --> 04:42:10,958 two and um I think it's it's been sorely 7017 04:42:10,240 --> 04:42:13,200 missed 7018 04:42:10,958 --> 04:42:15,520 » In in the in the neighborhood. And I 7019 04:42:13,200 --> 04:42:18,638 think it is high time for you all to be 7020 04:42:15,520 --> 04:42:21,440 able to do what you need to do uh to um 7021 04:42:18,638 --> 04:42:24,160 continue to grow the the the children 7022 04:42:21,440 --> 04:42:26,080 and the adults who uh who come there, 7023 04:42:24,160 --> 04:42:27,840 you know, for educational purposes, job 7024 04:42:26,080 --> 04:42:30,240 training, all of those kinds of things 7025 04:42:27,840 --> 04:42:31,920 because we know that AI is here. Um 7026 04:42:30,240 --> 04:42:33,440 there are opportunities for you to be 7027 04:42:31,920 --> 04:42:36,560 able to do those kinds of things to help 7028 04:42:33,440 --> 04:42:38,400 those students. Um um some of you know 7029 04:42:36,560 --> 04:42:39,680 that my my husband is in the hospital at 7030 04:42:38,400 --> 04:42:43,600 Shans and I'm heading there tonight 7031 04:42:39,680 --> 04:42:46,080 after work after after this. But last 7032 04:42:43,600 --> 04:42:50,638 night his nurse was telling us about her 7033 04:42:46,080 --> 04:42:54,160 son who um is working at Google and he 7034 04:42:50,638 --> 04:42:58,000 makes $30,000 a month. 7035 04:42:54,160 --> 04:43:01,200 » $30,000 a month. Can you imagine how 7036 04:42:58,000 --> 04:43:03,120 life-changing that would be for uh our 7037 04:43:01,200 --> 04:43:05,280 children or our adults who who could get 7038 04:43:03,120 --> 04:43:07,680 that kind of uh education and training? 7039 04:43:05,280 --> 04:43:10,080 So, I see that I see that greatness can 7040 04:43:07,680 --> 04:43:12,560 can happen right here in this facility. 7041 04:43:10,080 --> 04:43:14,320 So, I wholeheartedly support the the 7042 04:43:12,560 --> 04:43:17,840 transfer so that you all can control 7043 04:43:14,320 --> 04:43:20,000 that destiny. But I also agree with um 7044 04:43:17,840 --> 04:43:23,440 um 7045 04:43:20,000 --> 04:43:26,160 Dian Johnson that Christique and and and 7046 04:43:23,440 --> 04:43:28,718 Elton and all of you that you you have a 7047 04:43:26,160 --> 04:43:31,520 you're just a bundle of energy and and 7048 04:43:28,718 --> 04:43:33,040 passion. And I know you got a bench of 7049 04:43:31,520 --> 04:43:34,878 folks coming behind you, 7050 04:43:33,040 --> 04:43:36,878 » But we want to make sure that it 7051 04:43:34,878 --> 04:43:40,480 continues to be that way. So I would I 7052 04:43:36,878 --> 04:43:43,280 would ask for a a a freely amendment 7053 04:43:40,480 --> 04:43:45,360 that we do provide some type of revert 7054 04:43:43,280 --> 04:43:47,120 clause so that if something should 7055 04:43:45,360 --> 04:43:50,638 happen you know 100 years from now 7056 04:43:47,120 --> 04:43:52,480 whatever Christique you know is gone and 7057 04:43:50,638 --> 04:43:56,080 she she's 100 but she's doing something 7058 04:43:52,480 --> 04:43:58,480 else that [laughter] and and others that 7059 04:43:56,080 --> 04:44:01,840 it it it still remain it still can come 7060 04:43:58,480 --> 04:44:03,360 back to um to the city as as as a 7061 04:44:01,840 --> 04:44:05,600 property. But I I wholeheartly support 7062 04:44:03,360 --> 04:44:06,958 this transfer. I've I've seen it at 7063 04:44:05,600 --> 04:44:09,360 work. I've seen the people doing the 7064 04:44:06,958 --> 04:44:12,320 work. They're in very integral per uh 7065 04:44:09,360 --> 04:44:15,360 individuals and go-getters. I also ask 7066 04:44:12,320 --> 04:44:17,920 that u our grant staff also work with 7067 04:44:15,360 --> 04:44:20,878 them to help them identify and be able 7068 04:44:17,920 --> 04:44:23,040 to apply for grants to allow them to be 7069 04:44:20,878 --> 04:44:24,560 able to fund some of the innovative 7070 04:44:23,040 --> 04:44:27,680 things that I know will come out of this 7071 04:44:24,560 --> 04:44:29,120 out of out of this this project. 7072 04:44:27,680 --> 04:44:31,840 » Mayor Mayor Pro Tim, 7073 04:44:29,120 --> 04:44:34,320 » Thank you. I I it was it was my intent 7074 04:44:31,840 --> 04:44:37,920 that that reverter clause be in the 7075 04:44:34,320 --> 04:44:40,160 contract, but if we need to do that as a 7076 04:44:37,920 --> 04:44:42,400 an amendment to my motion, I would 7077 04:44:40,160 --> 04:44:43,120 certainly accept that as a friendly 7078 04:44:42,400 --> 04:44:44,320 amendment. 7079 04:44:43,120 --> 04:44:45,120 » Great. As amended. 7080 04:44:44,320 --> 04:44:46,958 » Okay. Yes, 7081 04:44:45,120 --> 04:44:47,440 » I support it as well. It was a great 7082 04:44:46,958 --> 04:44:47,840 idea. 7083 04:44:47,440 --> 04:44:49,200 » Yeah. 7084 04:44:47,840 --> 04:44:50,878 » For the comment, Commissioner Matlo. 7085 04:44:49,200 --> 04:44:52,480 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh thank you 7086 04:44:50,878 --> 04:44:54,000 for all the speakers today. You know, as 7087 04:44:52,480 --> 04:44:55,600 we know, neighborhoods are only as 7088 04:44:54,000 --> 04:44:57,120 strong as the people who care about them 7089 04:44:55,600 --> 04:45:00,000 and are willing to show up for them. and 7090 04:44:57,120 --> 04:45:02,000 I think it's been a great um uh facility 7091 04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:05,680 over the years. I I recognize the need 7092 04:45:02,000 --> 04:45:07,600 for a 2.0 uh so to speak. Um and happy 7093 04:45:05,680 --> 04:45:09,120 to support the motion. Could have also 7094 04:45:07,600 --> 04:45:11,280 gone the other way. There is there's a 7095 04:45:09,120 --> 04:45:12,798 liability transfer. The city currently 7096 04:45:11,280 --> 04:45:14,000 takes care of the roof and the HVAC and 7097 04:45:12,798 --> 04:45:16,400 the plumbing and all those things that 7098 04:45:14,000 --> 04:45:18,320 would get transferred to uh private 7099 04:45:16,400 --> 04:45:20,400 ownership. What's important to me is we 7100 04:45:18,320 --> 04:45:21,840 continue to keep the the public purpose, 7101 04:45:20,400 --> 04:45:24,878 the public facility, which I believe is 7102 04:45:21,840 --> 04:45:26,878 what the reverter clause uh speaks to. 7103 04:45:24,878 --> 04:45:28,560 Uh so so keep up the great work. look 7104 04:45:26,878 --> 04:45:29,760 forward to what it becomes and let us 7105 04:45:28,560 --> 04:45:30,560 know if we can be helpful in the 7106 04:45:29,760 --> 04:45:32,718 process. Thank you. 7107 04:45:30,560 --> 04:45:34,342 » They might need a few pieces. You think 7108 04:45:32,718 --> 04:45:36,362 » We can't talk about that here, 7109 04:45:34,342 --> 04:45:36,362 [laughter] 7110 04:45:36,958 --> 04:45:39,920 » Mr. Porter. 7111 04:45:38,000 --> 04:45:41,920 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I want to 7112 04:45:39,920 --> 04:45:46,160 thank 7113 04:45:41,920 --> 04:45:48,000 y'all for what you've been doing. Um, 7114 04:45:46,160 --> 04:45:51,040 it sounds like amazing work. I haven't 7115 04:45:48,000 --> 04:45:54,638 had the chance to to tour the facility 7116 04:45:51,040 --> 04:45:56,480 um or meet with you, but it's really I I 7117 04:45:54,638 --> 04:46:00,400 read through the proposal and it's 7118 04:45:56,480 --> 04:46:02,320 really incredible work. Um I'm ready to 7119 04:46:00,400 --> 04:46:05,200 I'll support the motion to see what 7120 04:46:02,320 --> 04:46:08,400 comes back to us. I I I do have to say 7121 04:46:05,200 --> 04:46:10,958 though that it I would like when these 7122 04:46:08,400 --> 04:46:12,958 when we have these conversations 7123 04:46:10,958 --> 04:46:16,240 I don't think the default should be to 7124 04:46:12,958 --> 04:46:18,798 transfer or sell public assets if site 7125 04:46:16,240 --> 04:46:20,400 control and a long-term lease would 7126 04:46:18,798 --> 04:46:22,560 satisfy 7127 04:46:20,400 --> 04:46:26,000 the 7128 04:46:22,560 --> 04:46:28,560 concerns that is my preference to be the 7129 04:46:26,000 --> 04:46:31,920 starting point. So, I'll support the 7130 04:46:28,560 --> 04:46:34,560 motion, but in general, 7131 04:46:31,920 --> 04:46:36,480 we've gone through this before with 7132 04:46:34,560 --> 04:46:37,840 public assets and and I do believe that 7133 04:46:36,480 --> 04:46:40,080 this is unique and different, which is 7134 04:46:37,840 --> 04:46:41,440 why I'll support the motion to see what 7135 04:46:40,080 --> 04:46:43,040 comes back to us. So, I want to 7136 04:46:41,440 --> 04:46:47,520 understand what is coming back to us. 7137 04:46:43,040 --> 04:46:49,040 Will there be when we transfer assets? 7138 04:46:47,520 --> 04:46:50,958 I mean, I want to first of all know what 7139 04:46:49,040 --> 04:46:55,120 we mean when we say transfer because we 7140 04:46:50,958 --> 04:46:58,400 we use that term to mean a sale the last 7141 04:46:55,120 --> 04:47:00,240 time we used that term. I think the um 7142 04:46:58,400 --> 04:47:01,680 the position of the motion is we are 7143 04:47:00,240 --> 04:47:02,958 going to transfer title. They're going 7144 04:47:01,680 --> 04:47:03,760 to get the building and we're not 7145 04:47:02,958 --> 04:47:05,280 selling it. 7146 04:47:03,760 --> 04:47:06,400 » Yes. 7147 04:47:05,280 --> 04:47:08,878 » That's the intent. 7148 04:47:06,400 --> 04:47:10,400 » That's what's coming back. 7149 04:47:08,878 --> 04:47:12,320 All those in favor of the motion on the 7150 04:47:10,400 --> 04:47:13,920 table signify by saying I. 7151 04:47:12,320 --> 04:47:17,120 » All those opposed. 7152 04:47:13,920 --> 04:47:20,798 » Passes 50 unanimously. All right. We're 7153 04:47:17,120 --> 04:47:21,840 on item number 12.01. 7154 04:47:20,798 --> 04:47:25,200 » Mr. Manager. 7155 04:47:21,840 --> 04:47:26,878 » Thank you, sir. Uh this topic came was 7156 04:47:25,200 --> 04:47:28,638 discussed at your last meeting. You 7157 04:47:26,878 --> 04:47:33,440 asked for additional information to come 7158 04:47:28,638 --> 04:47:36,160 back uh regarding license plate reader 7159 04:47:33,440 --> 04:47:38,320 uh technology. Uh Chief Revel and his 7160 04:47:36,160 --> 04:47:39,840 staff including Assistant Chief 7161 04:47:38,320 --> 04:47:41,840 Celeleski, 7162 04:47:39,840 --> 04:47:44,480 Deputy Chief Mahoney and Director Low 7163 04:47:41,840 --> 04:47:46,560 are here to answer any questions you 7164 04:47:44,480 --> 04:47:49,200 have on that. You have a full 7165 04:47:46,560 --> 04:47:51,200 comprehensive agenda item uh in your 7166 04:47:49,200 --> 04:47:52,638 material tonight that covers a lot of 7167 04:47:51,200 --> 04:47:55,440 ground. that covers ground beyond the 7168 04:47:52,638 --> 04:47:57,600 license plate reader technology. And I I 7169 04:47:55,440 --> 04:48:00,160 want to point out so you know whatever 7170 04:47:57,600 --> 04:48:02,480 direction we take tonight that you 7171 04:48:00,160 --> 04:48:05,280 provide tonight that we have two 7172 04:48:02,480 --> 04:48:08,798 companies two brands of fixed uh license 7173 04:48:05,280 --> 04:48:11,200 plate reader uh cameras. One being Flock 7174 04:48:08,798 --> 04:48:14,080 which is very well known. The other one 7175 04:48:11,200 --> 04:48:16,160 is a Motorola brand. They have they look 7176 04:48:14,080 --> 04:48:18,080 different but they for all intents and 7177 04:48:16,160 --> 04:48:20,320 purposes do the same thing. So, we're 7178 04:48:18,080 --> 04:48:22,878 using two different brands of license 7179 04:48:20,320 --> 04:48:24,798 plate reader technology. In your agenda 7180 04:48:22,878 --> 04:48:26,718 material, though, it covers also public 7181 04:48:24,798 --> 04:48:29,120 safety cameras. You'll recall lots of 7182 04:48:26,718 --> 04:48:31,760 discussion about that. We utilize those 7183 04:48:29,120 --> 04:48:33,040 in certain areas of our community. That 7184 04:48:31,760 --> 04:48:35,360 information is available to our 7185 04:48:33,040 --> 04:48:38,160 real-time crime center as well as the 7186 04:48:35,360 --> 04:48:39,680 license plate reader data. We have 7187 04:48:38,160 --> 04:48:41,760 traffic cameras at all of our 7188 04:48:39,680 --> 04:48:44,798 intersections, 300 plus intersections in 7189 04:48:41,760 --> 04:48:46,560 our community. that information is used 7190 04:48:44,798 --> 04:48:48,400 by our traffic management system but 7191 04:48:46,560 --> 04:48:51,280 also available to our real-time crime 7192 04:48:48,400 --> 04:48:53,600 center. Uh as you also know there's been 7193 04:48:51,280 --> 04:48:55,760 an effort to incorporate private cameras 7194 04:48:53,600 --> 04:48:58,638 like ring cameras into that. that 7195 04:48:55,760 --> 04:49:01,200 there's been over the last about six 7196 04:48:58,638 --> 04:49:03,760 years there's been this confluence of 7197 04:49:01,200 --> 04:49:05,440 video information that really has 7198 04:49:03,760 --> 04:49:08,480 propped up our real-time crime center 7199 04:49:05,440 --> 04:49:12,000 that we partner with the sheriff FSU 7200 04:49:08,480 --> 04:49:14,160 FAMU FDLE uh to support the the use of 7201 04:49:12,000 --> 04:49:15,680 that tech that emerging technology and 7202 04:49:14,160 --> 04:49:17,840 crime fighting and discovery and 7203 04:49:15,680 --> 04:49:20,320 locating of people. 7204 04:49:17,840 --> 04:49:22,718 The experts that are here um they're 7205 04:49:20,320 --> 04:49:24,958 here to answer questions. uh they all 7206 04:49:22,718 --> 04:49:26,878 have a different role in this expertise 7207 04:49:24,958 --> 04:49:29,680 about the data the data handling the 7208 04:49:26,878 --> 04:49:32,000 access to the data the policies that we 7209 04:49:29,680 --> 04:49:36,560 use I think in the agenda item you would 7210 04:49:32,000 --> 04:49:39,040 have read u that TPD not unusual by the 7211 04:49:36,560 --> 04:49:41,200 way is ahead of the game because you've 7212 04:49:39,040 --> 04:49:44,000 heard a lot of discussion around the 7213 04:49:41,200 --> 04:49:46,400 country and the state about the 7214 04:49:44,000 --> 04:49:48,638 governance and the use of this 7215 04:49:46,400 --> 04:49:50,638 information the access of the 7216 04:49:48,638 --> 04:49:52,160 information and and TPD has a very 7217 04:49:50,638 --> 04:49:55,840 robust policy I I think it's general 7218 04:49:52,160 --> 04:49:57,840 orders 56 and how their um officers and 7219 04:49:55,840 --> 04:49:59,360 others can access this how that can be 7220 04:49:57,840 --> 04:50:02,080 used and so that's in your agenda 7221 04:49:59,360 --> 04:50:04,638 material as well and then there's some 7222 04:50:02,080 --> 04:50:07,920 anecdotal success stories that are in 7223 04:50:04,638 --> 04:50:11,440 there u where crimes have been solved 7224 04:50:07,920 --> 04:50:13,840 people have been located what we know is 7225 04:50:11,440 --> 04:50:15,680 it's become the license plate reader 7226 04:50:13,840 --> 04:50:19,520 technology and access has become 7227 04:50:15,680 --> 04:50:22,080 fundamental in all of our violent crimes 7228 04:50:19,520 --> 04:50:25,120 all of our homicide investigations s 7229 04:50:22,080 --> 04:50:28,160 whether it ultimately is used or not, it 7230 04:50:25,120 --> 04:50:29,920 is accessed immediately. It's become a 7231 04:50:28,160 --> 04:50:32,240 tool, a standard tool, and it's helped 7232 04:50:29,920 --> 04:50:35,040 us solve lots of crimes. You heard from 7233 04:50:32,240 --> 04:50:36,798 the chief at the last meeting that uh we 7234 04:50:35,040 --> 04:50:39,360 want to make sure that we're using 7235 04:50:36,798 --> 04:50:41,760 things properly, that the the public 7236 04:50:39,360 --> 04:50:44,160 trusts what we're doing, that we've got 7237 04:50:41,760 --> 04:50:47,360 proper rules governing that, and that we 7238 04:50:44,160 --> 04:50:49,040 manage oursel, that we audit and and um 7239 04:50:47,360 --> 04:50:52,160 and govern oursel. And so that's 7240 04:50:49,040 --> 04:50:54,480 happened at TBD. The the inquiries have 7241 04:50:52,160 --> 04:50:56,240 to be noted, they're reviewed, they're 7242 04:50:54,480 --> 04:50:58,400 validated to make sure that nobody's 7243 04:50:56,240 --> 04:51:00,480 misusing this. We've heard stories from 7244 04:50:58,400 --> 04:51:03,520 around the country where this kind of 7245 04:51:00,480 --> 04:51:06,080 access has been misused. And I'm happy 7246 04:51:03,520 --> 04:51:09,920 to say that's not the case here. Um, and 7247 04:51:06,080 --> 04:51:11,680 that's in my estimation, kudos to TBD 7248 04:51:09,920 --> 04:51:14,160 for having good rules and good training 7249 04:51:11,680 --> 04:51:15,680 for the use of it. Uh but commission 7250 04:51:14,160 --> 04:51:17,520 commissioners, we want to provide you 7251 04:51:15,680 --> 04:51:19,680 this information as a followup to the 7252 04:51:17,520 --> 04:51:22,240 discussion you had. We believe it's an 7253 04:51:19,680 --> 04:51:23,920 important community discussion and 7254 04:51:22,240 --> 04:51:25,520 there's been a lot of activity even 7255 04:51:23,920 --> 04:51:28,878 since your last meeting. 7256 04:51:25,520 --> 04:51:31,120 » Um the state of Florida has um issued an 7257 04:51:28,878 --> 04:51:32,798 order to remove 7258 04:51:31,120 --> 04:51:34,240 I believe it's might be limited to 7259 04:51:32,798 --> 04:51:35,680 Flock. There's a little confusion. In 7260 04:51:34,240 --> 04:51:39,520 other words, Flock's not the only brand 7261 04:51:35,680 --> 04:51:42,080 of license plate reader cameras. Uh but 7262 04:51:39,520 --> 04:51:44,480 they've issued an order to remove those. 7263 04:51:42,080 --> 04:51:46,320 We do have some of our cameras in the 7264 04:51:44,480 --> 04:51:51,120 state right away. I think it's in the 7265 04:51:46,320 --> 04:51:53,520 order of six or so of the total 150ish 7266 04:51:51,120 --> 04:51:56,480 that we have. And so that that activity 7267 04:51:53,520 --> 04:51:58,958 is underway. Uh and then the sheriff uh 7268 04:51:56,480 --> 04:52:02,000 Sheriff McNeel locally in Lyon County 7269 04:51:58,958 --> 04:52:03,680 has ordered the suspension of the use of 7270 04:52:02,000 --> 04:52:07,440 their cameras. I'm not sure what brands 7271 04:52:03,680 --> 04:52:09,840 they have. And this the suspension uh 7272 04:52:07,440 --> 04:52:12,480 essentially entails two things. uh 7273 04:52:09,840 --> 04:52:14,400 removing the access and security of the 7274 04:52:12,480 --> 04:52:16,798 users. So think about the ability to log 7275 04:52:14,400 --> 04:52:19,360 into your computer. So that's easily 7276 04:52:16,798 --> 04:52:22,080 suspended for all users and then 7277 04:52:19,360 --> 04:52:24,080 stopping the video and recording of 7278 04:52:22,080 --> 04:52:26,638 those cameras. And so that stops any 7279 04:52:24,080 --> 04:52:28,798 data collection, that stops any access 7280 04:52:26,638 --> 04:52:30,958 to the use of those license plate 7281 04:52:28,798 --> 04:52:33,440 readers. and and clearly we work closely 7282 04:52:30,958 --> 04:52:35,840 with the sheriff. We look work closely 7283 04:52:33,440 --> 04:52:37,920 with FDLE and our university partners 7284 04:52:35,840 --> 04:52:40,718 because of that confluence of 7285 04:52:37,920 --> 04:52:42,160 information and and um uh data and 7286 04:52:40,718 --> 04:52:44,320 intelligence in the real-time crime 7287 04:52:42,160 --> 04:52:46,798 center. So we we wanted to provide you 7288 04:52:44,320 --> 04:52:49,120 this information. Again, you have a full 7289 04:52:46,798 --> 04:52:51,360 thorough report in your agenda. We want 7290 04:52:49,120 --> 04:52:53,200 to be available for questions and then 7291 04:52:51,360 --> 04:52:55,680 look forward to the direction of the 7292 04:52:53,200 --> 04:52:57,680 city commission. Thank you, sir. 7293 04:52:55,680 --> 04:52:59,200 » Thank you. Uh before I get to public 7294 04:52:57,680 --> 04:53:00,798 comment, just point of clarification 7295 04:52:59,200 --> 04:53:01,760 because if I was a betting man, I'd be 7296 04:53:00,798 --> 04:53:03,520 willing to bet that we're going to 7297 04:53:01,760 --> 04:53:05,040 suspend this tonight because of the 7298 04:53:03,520 --> 04:53:06,400 action that's been taking place since 7299 04:53:05,040 --> 04:53:09,120 the last meeting that we had with the 7300 04:53:06,400 --> 04:53:10,638 governor suspending it and state uh 7301 04:53:09,120 --> 04:53:12,480 roads and rideways. And then you got the 7302 04:53:10,638 --> 04:53:14,480 sheriff's action as well and all of our 7303 04:53:12,480 --> 04:53:16,798 community partners seem to not be 7304 04:53:14,480 --> 04:53:19,920 adopting this. Are you looking for our 7305 04:53:16,798 --> 04:53:21,840 direction to suspend this or why haven't 7306 04:53:19,920 --> 04:53:23,760 we just taken the action to suspend it? 7307 04:53:21,840 --> 04:53:25,600 » Mr. Mr. Mayor, let I think I can answer 7308 04:53:23,760 --> 04:53:29,840 it, but I'm going to ask Director Lo to 7309 04:53:25,600 --> 04:53:32,320 help me with this. U the value come 7310 04:53:29,840 --> 04:53:35,520 forward, Jason, if you don't mind. The 7311 04:53:32,320 --> 04:53:37,760 value and the use of the license plate 7312 04:53:35,520 --> 04:53:38,240 reader technology, again, not limited to 7313 04:53:37,760 --> 04:53:38,638 flock. 7314 04:53:38,240 --> 04:53:39,840 » Sure. 7315 04:53:38,638 --> 04:53:40,320 » It goes beyond flock. 7316 04:53:39,840 --> 04:53:42,878 » Sure. 7317 04:53:40,320 --> 04:53:46,080 » Has been the ability crossjurisdictional 7318 04:53:42,878 --> 04:53:48,480 information access and location, which 7319 04:53:46,080 --> 04:53:50,480 extends far beyond the state of Florida. 7320 04:53:48,480 --> 04:53:53,280 Some of the information you saw in your 7321 04:53:50,480 --> 04:53:54,798 agenda packet. And so, uh, while 7322 04:53:53,280 --> 04:53:57,200 valuable, the more information, the 7323 04:53:54,798 --> 04:54:00,400 connections you have, valuable, that in 7324 04:53:57,200 --> 04:54:03,280 itself doesn't limit the value of the 7325 04:54:00,400 --> 04:54:05,120 cameras, even if it was only within the 7326 04:54:03,280 --> 04:54:07,120 city of Tallahassee. We do have the 7327 04:54:05,120 --> 04:54:09,600 ability, it's configurable. We have the 7328 04:54:07,120 --> 04:54:13,040 ability to say the information can only 7329 04:54:09,600 --> 04:54:16,000 be had by the TPD officers, controlled 7330 04:54:13,040 --> 04:54:18,000 by TPD officers, and not not used beyond 7331 04:54:16,000 --> 04:54:21,520 our boundaries. That's still valuable. 7332 04:54:18,000 --> 04:54:23,200 And so, um, we want to make sure that 7333 04:54:21,520 --> 04:54:23,760 we're taking direction from the city 7334 04:54:23,200 --> 04:54:24,400 commission. 7335 04:54:23,760 --> 04:54:26,080 » Got it. 7336 04:54:24,400 --> 04:54:29,040 » That's consistent with what the public 7337 04:54:26,080 --> 04:54:31,360 would desire, but also sharing how we're 7338 04:54:29,040 --> 04:54:34,240 using it, how it's being accessed, how 7339 04:54:31,360 --> 04:54:36,560 it integrates beyond the city, the 7340 04:54:34,240 --> 04:54:38,560 county, the state, and and elsewhere. 7341 04:54:36,560 --> 04:54:40,638 So, I probably answered the question, 7342 04:54:38,560 --> 04:54:43,040 but Director Low, is there anything else 7343 04:54:40,638 --> 04:54:43,920 I should add to that? 7344 04:54:43,040 --> 04:54:46,798 » You did a great job. 7345 04:54:43,920 --> 04:54:48,560 » Oh, thank you. Uh hey, look, it's a 7346 04:54:46,798 --> 04:54:50,480 completely different day since we met 7347 04:54:48,560 --> 04:54:52,000 two weeks ago. There's been a lot of 7348 04:54:50,480 --> 04:54:55,280 action with our community partners. 7349 04:54:52,000 --> 04:54:57,840 First of all, I want to congratulate 7350 04:54:55,280 --> 04:55:00,160 uh all of our agencies locally and 7351 04:54:57,840 --> 04:55:02,798 especially TPD that we have not had one 7352 04:55:00,160 --> 04:55:04,560 recorded case of abuse of what we're 7353 04:55:02,798 --> 04:55:07,040 seeing going on across the country. 7354 04:55:04,560 --> 04:55:09,200 » Nonetheless, this is a big issue out in 7355 04:55:07,040 --> 04:55:11,440 society and we're all hearing about it 7356 04:55:09,200 --> 04:55:12,638 right and left. And so again, if I was a 7357 04:55:11,440 --> 04:55:13,920 betting man, we're we're going to do 7358 04:55:12,638 --> 04:55:16,718 exactly what the sheriff did and we're 7359 04:55:13,920 --> 04:55:19,120 going to suspend uh all action on on the 7360 04:55:16,718 --> 04:55:22,000 flight cameras or those that we use that 7361 04:55:19,120 --> 04:55:24,400 are similar to it. Um but I just want to 7362 04:55:22,000 --> 04:55:26,560 make sure that we clearly identify first 7363 04:55:24,400 --> 04:55:27,760 of all, you all did a great job with 7364 04:55:26,560 --> 04:55:29,920 putting together the policies and 7365 04:55:27,760 --> 04:55:31,440 procedures on how to operate. I'm very 7366 04:55:29,920 --> 04:55:33,600 proud that we have an agency that did 7367 04:55:31,440 --> 04:55:37,040 not have a single complaint of abuse. 7368 04:55:33,600 --> 04:55:39,120 Period. Period. But at the same time, I 7369 04:55:37,040 --> 04:55:41,200 think we need to suspend just because of 7370 04:55:39,120 --> 04:55:42,718 the fact of our community partners and 7371 04:55:41,200 --> 04:55:44,160 where we are in society until we get 7372 04:55:42,718 --> 04:55:45,840 more answers and more comfortable moving 7373 04:55:44,160 --> 04:55:47,920 forward. That's where I am before we 7374 04:55:45,840 --> 04:55:49,120 move forward because I know we got a lot 7375 04:55:47,920 --> 04:55:52,400 of people here that want to speak on 7376 04:55:49,120 --> 04:55:53,840 this issue. And so, um, do we have any 7377 04:55:52,400 --> 04:55:56,798 other questions before we get the public 7378 04:55:53,840 --> 04:56:01,200 comment? Yeah. The the question that I 7379 04:55:56,798 --> 04:56:04,000 have, Mayor, is it is this simply the 7380 04:56:01,200 --> 04:56:08,798 suspension, which I would agree with, 7381 04:56:04,000 --> 04:56:12,080 limited to the license plate readers, or 7382 04:56:08,798 --> 04:56:14,718 would it apply to all of the cameras 7383 04:56:12,080 --> 04:56:16,400 that we have available to us? 7384 04:56:14,718 --> 04:56:17,920 » Specifically, what was the action that 7385 04:56:16,400 --> 04:56:19,760 was taken by the sheriff's office? 7386 04:56:17,920 --> 04:56:21,280 » Yes, sir. Thank you. That's that's a 7387 04:56:19,760 --> 04:56:23,360 really good question, sir, and I 7388 04:56:21,280 --> 04:56:25,200 appreciate that. I think if it's 7389 04:56:23,360 --> 04:56:25,600 consistent with what the sheriff did, 7390 04:56:25,200 --> 04:56:28,000 » Okay, 7391 04:56:25,600 --> 04:56:31,200 » It would be the suspension of our fixed 7392 04:56:28,000 --> 04:56:33,680 LPR cameras, which includes Flock and 7393 04:56:31,200 --> 04:56:35,680 Motorola. Motorola has a different brand 7394 04:56:33,680 --> 04:56:37,680 name, but it's the Motorola product, 7395 04:56:35,680 --> 04:56:42,000 which is approximately 7396 04:56:37,680 --> 04:56:44,560 150 um LPR cameras. 7397 04:56:42,000 --> 04:56:46,878 » And and Mr. Mayor, the reason I asked 7398 04:56:44,560 --> 04:56:49,920 that question in particular, I I'm I'm 7399 04:56:46,878 --> 04:56:52,320 I'm sure most of us are familiar with 7400 04:56:49,920 --> 04:56:54,958 the fact that in the Bond community, 7401 04:56:52,320 --> 04:56:58,080 » At one point we had an exorbitant uh 7402 04:56:54,958 --> 04:57:01,040 crime rate in that neighborhood, 7403 04:56:58,080 --> 04:57:05,360 » We we put cameras in the neighborhood 7404 04:57:01,040 --> 04:57:07,040 and saw immediately a 30% reduction 7405 04:57:05,360 --> 04:57:09,280 » In crime. 7406 04:57:07,040 --> 04:57:12,798 In my own neighborhood, which is on the 7407 04:57:09,280 --> 04:57:16,240 south side of town, uh we have had some 7408 04:57:12,798 --> 04:57:18,958 issues with crime and my neighbors and I 7409 04:57:16,240 --> 04:57:21,360 agreed to have 7410 04:57:18,958 --> 04:57:23,520 the camera surveillance for our 7411 04:57:21,360 --> 04:57:28,320 neighborhood. And so I just want to make 7412 04:57:23,520 --> 04:57:31,040 sure that where we have 7413 04:57:28,320 --> 04:57:33,600 I just want clarification as to whether 7414 04:57:31,040 --> 04:57:35,680 or not we're we're going to suspend all 7415 04:57:33,600 --> 04:57:38,798 of that surveillance 7416 04:57:35,680 --> 04:57:40,160 uh or if it will be limited to the 7417 04:57:38,798 --> 04:57:42,480 license plate reader. 7418 04:57:40,160 --> 04:57:44,240 » Mr. Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor Pro Tim, it 7419 04:57:42,480 --> 04:57:46,718 would be limited 7420 04:57:44,240 --> 04:57:47,680 » If if you're acting consistent with the 7421 04:57:46,718 --> 04:57:50,000 sheriff's actions. 7422 04:57:47,680 --> 04:57:52,480 » Yes. and other similar actions. It would 7423 04:57:50,000 --> 04:57:53,600 be limited to the license plate reader 7424 04:57:52,480 --> 04:57:55,200 cameras. 7425 04:57:53,600 --> 04:57:56,000 » The public safety cameras you 7426 04:57:55,200 --> 04:57:56,480 referenced, 7427 04:57:56,000 --> 04:57:58,638 » Yes, 7428 04:57:56,480 --> 04:58:00,718 » They exist. They're in the they're 7429 04:57:58,638 --> 04:58:02,958 available to the real time crime center. 7430 04:58:00,718 --> 04:58:05,440 U that would we would presume those 7431 04:58:02,958 --> 04:58:05,840 would continue to um operate. 7432 04:58:05,440 --> 04:58:06,878 » Okay. 7433 04:58:05,840 --> 04:58:08,400 » M Mr. Mayor, 7434 04:58:06,878 --> 04:58:09,520 » Before we get Go ahead. Yes, 7435 04:58:08,400 --> 04:58:12,958 Commissioner Williams Cox. 7436 04:58:09,520 --> 04:58:14,400 » I I just I just wanted to um weigh in as 7437 04:58:12,958 --> 04:58:16,080 well. Thanks for that again for that 7438 04:58:14,400 --> 04:58:18,160 clarification. We're not talking about 7439 04:58:16,080 --> 04:58:21,280 all cameras. and talking about flock and 7440 04:58:18,160 --> 04:58:24,638 Motorola. Um there has been a flurry of 7441 04:58:21,280 --> 04:58:26,718 activity. I have spoken to the chief. 7442 04:58:24,638 --> 04:58:28,958 I've spoken to the sheriff. I've spoken 7443 04:58:26,718 --> 04:58:31,120 to our local delegation of legislators. 7444 04:58:28,958 --> 04:58:32,400 I've spoken to uh former um police 7445 04:58:31,120 --> 04:58:36,878 officer. I've spoken to community 7446 04:58:32,400 --> 04:58:40,160 members. I've even consulted chat GBT. 7447 04:58:36,878 --> 04:58:41,280 And I'm telling you that um we're we're 7448 04:58:40,160 --> 04:58:43,120 I think we're going to we're going to 7449 04:58:41,280 --> 04:58:47,600 land in in the in the same place that we 7450 04:58:43,120 --> 04:58:50,638 need to suspend um suspend these um the 7451 04:58:47,600 --> 04:58:54,240 these these um this technology because 7452 04:58:50,638 --> 04:58:57,120 we want to be able to uh provide public 7453 04:58:54,240 --> 04:58:59,920 safety, but we also want to respect the 7454 04:58:57,120 --> 04:59:02,320 civil liberties and and and privacy of 7455 04:58:59,920 --> 04:59:04,480 individuals. But being a technologist, 7456 04:59:02,320 --> 04:59:06,160 I'm looking over here at uh at my man 7457 04:59:04,480 --> 04:59:08,400 Harold Lane and he's sitting there 7458 04:59:06,160 --> 04:59:10,560 listening because I you got your got 7459 04:59:08,400 --> 04:59:13,120 your finger on the switch. As soon as 7460 04:59:10,560 --> 04:59:15,920 soon as a decision is made, 7461 04:59:13,120 --> 04:59:18,560 it's it's shut off. So, thank you all 7462 04:59:15,920 --> 04:59:20,798 for working together to to be ready to 7463 04:59:18,560 --> 04:59:22,000 do what this commission um says to do. 7464 04:59:20,798 --> 04:59:23,760 Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for 7465 04:59:22,000 --> 04:59:25,600 » Sure. I want to get straight into public 7466 04:59:23,760 --> 04:59:27,840 comment. We have 20 speakers. We have an 7467 04:59:25,600 --> 04:59:30,320 hour of public comment on this item. So, 7468 04:59:27,840 --> 04:59:32,080 let's jump right in. Uh Mr. Clerk. 7469 04:59:30,320 --> 04:59:34,560 » Thank you, mayor. First speaker on the 7470 04:59:32,080 --> 04:59:38,600 item, Tim Style Mueller, 7471 04:59:34,560 --> 04:59:38,600 followed by David Derby. 7472 04:59:44,400 --> 04:59:49,040 Thank you for hearing me. 7473 04:59:47,520 --> 04:59:52,240 » Name and address for the record, please. 7474 04:59:49,040 --> 04:59:53,760 » Tim Mueller, 911 Pow Trail. Uh, thank 7475 04:59:52,240 --> 04:59:55,360 you for putting the item back on the 7476 04:59:53,760 --> 04:59:56,638 agenda 7477 04:59:55,360 --> 04:59:58,080 and thank you for considering 7478 04:59:56,638 --> 04:59:59,680 suspension. I want to be very clear 7479 04:59:58,080 --> 05:00:01,520 about the fact that suspension is not 7480 04:59:59,680 --> 05:00:03,920 the same thing as removal. And frankly, 7481 05:00:01,520 --> 05:00:06,320 if we're suspending use, if we're 7482 05:00:03,920 --> 05:00:08,958 suspending use, they need to be covered 7483 05:00:06,320 --> 05:00:10,798 as well because we don't own these. And 7484 05:00:08,958 --> 05:00:12,560 as long as those lenses are exposed and 7485 05:00:10,798 --> 05:00:14,400 those solar panels are working, those 7486 05:00:12,560 --> 05:00:18,120 cameras are still sending information. I 7487 05:00:14,400 --> 05:00:18,120 want to be clear about that. 7488 05:00:20,000 --> 05:00:25,680 To my understanding, 7489 05:00:22,480 --> 05:00:28,878 we are no closer to the revelation who 7490 05:00:25,680 --> 05:00:33,440 exactly made the backroom deal that 7491 05:00:28,878 --> 05:00:36,240 brought flop cameras to our community. 7492 05:00:33,440 --> 05:00:38,160 As the adage goes, if you've done 7493 05:00:36,240 --> 05:00:40,958 nothing wrong, 7494 05:00:38,160 --> 05:00:44,160 you've got nothing to hide. 7495 05:00:40,958 --> 05:00:46,000 So, here's my question. 7496 05:00:44,160 --> 05:00:49,680 Why is this information not public 7497 05:00:46,000 --> 05:00:52,798 record? to my understanding 7498 05:00:49,680 --> 05:00:54,240 and if we're so much safer now, 7499 05:00:52,798 --> 05:00:56,480 you should be standing behind your 7500 05:00:54,240 --> 05:00:59,120 decision proudly. 7501 05:00:56,480 --> 05:01:00,798 Uh and it's telling that to my 7502 05:00:59,120 --> 05:01:04,440 understanding the people who made this 7503 05:01:00,798 --> 05:01:04,440 decision are not. 7504 05:01:07,200 --> 05:01:12,480 I'm finding it difficult to strike a 7505 05:01:09,200 --> 05:01:14,718 measured and composed tone 7506 05:01:12,480 --> 05:01:16,798 uh when you're out here installing what 7507 05:01:14,718 --> 05:01:19,120 amounts to 7508 05:01:16,798 --> 05:01:20,878 police surveillance state police state 7509 05:01:19,120 --> 05:01:22,320 infrastructure. 7510 05:01:20,878 --> 05:01:23,920 » I want to be very clear about the fact 7511 05:01:22,320 --> 05:01:26,080 that I understand that these reduce 7512 05:01:23,920 --> 05:01:28,320 crime that's a positive thing. Mhm. 7513 05:01:26,080 --> 05:01:30,638 » What I'm asking you to consider is how 7514 05:01:28,320 --> 05:01:34,080 this information and that that is being 7515 05:01:30,638 --> 05:01:36,160 collected, this this infrastructure 7516 05:01:34,080 --> 05:01:38,160 when normalized as background 7517 05:01:36,160 --> 05:01:40,958 infrastructure 7518 05:01:38,160 --> 05:01:44,638 essentially provides a potential 7519 05:01:40,958 --> 05:01:52,400 authoritarian shift, authoritarian power 7520 05:01:44,638 --> 05:01:56,400 grab with a turnkey tool to jail and 7521 05:01:52,400 --> 05:01:58,718 neutralize, shall we say, opposition. 7522 05:01:56,400 --> 05:02:01,760 This is not 7523 05:01:58,718 --> 05:02:03,280 far-fetched at all. And I want to be 7524 05:02:01,760 --> 05:02:06,400 clear about the fact that I find the 7525 05:02:03,280 --> 05:02:08,320 fact I find it irresponsible that this 7526 05:02:06,400 --> 05:02:10,958 decision was made behind the backs of 7527 05:02:08,320 --> 05:02:14,080 the entire community. And some of the 7528 05:02:10,958 --> 05:02:16,878 comments that I've heard made 7529 05:02:14,080 --> 05:02:18,798 less so today, but two weeks ago gave me 7530 05:02:16,878 --> 05:02:21,600 the impression that some of the people 7531 05:02:18,798 --> 05:02:23,120 on this commission do not have a full 7532 05:02:21,600 --> 05:02:25,120 understanding of the implication of what 7533 05:02:23,120 --> 05:02:27,040 this technology represents. You're at 30 7534 05:02:25,120 --> 05:02:29,520 seconds. 7535 05:02:27,040 --> 05:02:30,958 » There's a petition and moratorum that uh 7536 05:02:29,520 --> 05:02:34,400 the folks who I've been working with 7537 05:02:30,958 --> 05:02:36,400 have been working on. It is a non vendor 7538 05:02:34,400 --> 05:02:38,878 specific moratorum to be placed in 7539 05:02:36,400 --> 05:02:40,798 perpetuity. Uh the language is currently 7540 05:02:38,878 --> 05:02:42,320 being reviewed by a legislative policy 7541 05:02:40,798 --> 05:02:45,120 expert. 7542 05:02:42,320 --> 05:02:47,280 Please follow our lead on this and show 7543 05:02:45,120 --> 05:02:49,760 respect for the privacy rights of our 7544 05:02:47,280 --> 05:02:50,958 community. Yield my time. 7545 05:02:49,760 --> 05:02:53,600 » Next speaker, please. 7546 05:02:50,958 --> 05:02:57,440 » Next speaker is David Derby. David 7547 05:02:53,600 --> 05:03:01,120 Derby. followed by Zachary Bell. 7548 05:02:57,440 --> 05:03:04,080 » Name and address for the record, please. 7549 05:03:01,120 --> 05:03:07,760 » David Derby, live on Mab Street and Mry 7550 05:03:04,080 --> 05:03:10,958 Manor 32304. 7551 05:03:07,760 --> 05:03:12,480 That's a famous zip code in Italian, 7552 05:03:10,958 --> 05:03:14,958 isn't it? 7553 05:03:12,480 --> 05:03:18,080 » Um, I'm very much against the cameras to 7554 05:03:14,958 --> 05:03:19,600 be getgo. I understand, as one of my 7555 05:03:18,080 --> 05:03:23,200 officers explained to me, it's a tool in 7556 05:03:19,600 --> 05:03:26,638 their tool belt. Um, but the tool is too 7557 05:03:23,200 --> 05:03:29,440 easily abused. It's too easily um 7558 05:03:26,638 --> 05:03:31,680 metamorphed into other things. Not only 7559 05:03:29,440 --> 05:03:33,120 do our police department have access, 7560 05:03:31,680 --> 05:03:35,040 but I can guarantee you somebody can 7561 05:03:33,120 --> 05:03:38,958 hack in there and record everything that 7562 05:03:35,040 --> 05:03:42,080 they've got going on. Um, with AI, 7563 05:03:38,958 --> 05:03:45,120 it's primed to hunt people, hunt your 7564 05:03:42,080 --> 05:03:47,600 citizens. Um, there they have live 7565 05:03:45,120 --> 05:03:51,440 streaming, not just picture taken, but 7566 05:03:47,600 --> 05:03:53,840 live streaming. They identify vehicles, 7567 05:03:51,440 --> 05:03:55,040 not just isoing plates. And then there's 7568 05:03:53,840 --> 05:03:56,798 technology where they go into your 7569 05:03:55,040 --> 05:03:58,638 vehicle and pick up all your electronics 7570 05:03:56,798 --> 05:04:00,798 in your vehicle to ident and who's in 7571 05:03:58,638 --> 05:04:02,400 there. I think this is a little bit of 7572 05:04:00,798 --> 05:04:04,638 overreach. 7573 05:04:02,400 --> 05:04:07,680 Um it's turning us into a surveillance 7574 05:04:04,638 --> 05:04:08,560 state. Uh China started this stuff off. 7575 05:04:07,680 --> 05:04:11,040 I don't know if y'all remember. I think 7576 05:04:08,560 --> 05:04:14,000 it was the Hungar they started hunting 7577 05:04:11,040 --> 05:04:16,320 and it made them really good at hunting 7578 05:04:14,000 --> 05:04:18,560 the people and suppressing. Just like my 7579 05:04:16,320 --> 05:04:23,040 colleague here just elaborated this can 7580 05:04:18,560 --> 05:04:25,600 be used nefariously really really bad. 7581 05:04:23,040 --> 05:04:28,320 Um insurance companies also use this to 7582 05:04:25,600 --> 05:04:31,680 raise rate and deny coverages 7583 05:04:28,320 --> 05:04:35,280 um along with your credit score. U 7584 05:04:31,680 --> 05:04:38,638 vehicle uh profiles occupants what's the 7585 05:04:35,280 --> 05:04:40,798 need for it? Um, it's a tool that's 7586 05:04:38,638 --> 05:04:42,798 great to solve crime, but what are we 7587 05:04:40,798 --> 05:04:45,760 doing all this information gathering on 7588 05:04:42,798 --> 05:04:47,200 on honest citizens? I mean, I'm really 7589 05:04:45,760 --> 05:04:49,920 really disappointed that we got this 7590 05:04:47,200 --> 05:04:53,520 where I also like to know like he asked, 7591 05:04:49,920 --> 05:04:56,400 how did we get here? How was was this 7592 05:04:53,520 --> 05:04:58,080 grant and and our chief just decided to 7593 05:04:56,400 --> 05:05:00,560 go put these cameras out or did he come 7594 05:04:58,080 --> 05:05:02,320 and tell y'all we're going to do this? 7595 05:05:00,560 --> 05:05:05,520 Um, and did you don't know to the extent 7596 05:05:02,320 --> 05:05:07,440 of the surveillance when this came out? 7597 05:05:05,520 --> 05:05:09,440 150 cameras. That's an awful lot of 7598 05:05:07,440 --> 05:05:11,520 surveillance. Why do I need to know? Why 7599 05:05:09,440 --> 05:05:13,760 do TPD need to know where I'm going all 7600 05:05:11,520 --> 05:05:16,000 around town and how I get home? It's 7601 05:05:13,760 --> 05:05:18,240 none other business. You know, this 7602 05:05:16,000 --> 05:05:19,440 supposed to be a free state, but it's a 7603 05:05:18,240 --> 05:05:22,400 surveillance. It's turning into a 7604 05:05:19,440 --> 05:05:24,320 surveillance state really quick. Uh how 7605 05:05:22,400 --> 05:05:26,638 about false arrest? How do you make that 7606 05:05:24,320 --> 05:05:28,718 up for somebody? How do you undo a 7607 05:05:26,638 --> 05:05:30,080 cavity search? 7608 05:05:28,718 --> 05:05:32,480 Could y'all anybody answer that one for 7609 05:05:30,080 --> 05:05:34,638 me? I don't think you can. Um, I'm I'm 7610 05:05:32,480 --> 05:05:37,120 glad to hear that there's been no abuse, 7611 05:05:34,638 --> 05:05:37,840 but has there been any false arrest in 7612 05:05:37,120 --> 05:05:39,120 Tallahassee? 7613 05:05:37,840 --> 05:05:40,878 » You're at 30 seconds remaining. 7614 05:05:39,120 --> 05:05:44,000 » I would like to see an accountability 7615 05:05:40,878 --> 05:05:45,600 report every year on how this is going, 7616 05:05:44,000 --> 05:05:47,600 how it's been impacted, what the good 7617 05:05:45,600 --> 05:05:49,280 was, and if there's any bad, it needs to 7618 05:05:47,600 --> 05:05:51,920 be highlighted. 7619 05:05:49,280 --> 05:05:54,958 Um, you're losing the respect of your 7620 05:05:51,920 --> 05:05:56,718 constituents. Um, we didn't have an 7621 05:05:54,958 --> 05:05:59,200 opportunity to say we wanted this or 7622 05:05:56,718 --> 05:06:02,320 not. So, I would appreciate y'all 7623 05:05:59,200 --> 05:06:04,718 understanding that. Um the people have 7624 05:06:02,320 --> 05:06:06,798 opinions and we elect you guys but 7625 05:06:04,718 --> 05:06:08,000 somewhere in this it was lost. 7626 05:06:06,798 --> 05:06:09,600 » Thank you very much. 7627 05:06:08,000 --> 05:06:13,638 » Our next speaker please. 7628 05:06:09,600 --> 05:06:13,638 » Next speaker Zachary Bell. 7629 05:06:14,798 --> 05:06:20,680 » Don't see Zachary Bell. So Marsha Rule 7630 05:06:22,080 --> 05:06:23,920 your name and address for the record 7631 05:06:23,440 --> 05:06:25,920 please. 7632 05:06:23,920 --> 05:06:28,718 » Marsha Rule Maple Drive here in 7633 05:06:25,920 --> 05:06:30,400 Tallahassee. like to start out by saying 7634 05:06:28,718 --> 05:06:32,958 you, you know, I'm here to speak against 7635 05:06:30,400 --> 05:06:34,958 the cameras. Let's call them what they 7636 05:06:32,958 --> 05:06:37,040 really are. They're not license plate 7637 05:06:34,958 --> 05:06:39,040 readers. They capture everything that's 7638 05:06:37,040 --> 05:06:41,600 in view. And that's just today's 7639 05:06:39,040 --> 05:06:44,000 technology which can be updated without 7640 05:06:41,600 --> 05:06:46,718 any of your knowledge. Um, one of the 7641 05:06:44,000 --> 05:06:49,840 largest invasions of privacy of American 7642 05:06:46,718 --> 05:06:52,240 citizens ever, and we didn't consent to 7643 05:06:49,840 --> 05:06:54,878 it. There's been some discussion about 7644 05:06:52,240 --> 05:06:57,840 abuses. I think it's abusive to have 7645 05:06:54,878 --> 05:06:59,680 them out there in the first place. But 7646 05:06:57,840 --> 05:07:03,040 even so, there are over, according to 7647 05:06:59,680 --> 05:07:06,080 TPD's portal, over 1,300 organizations 7648 05:07:03,040 --> 05:07:08,480 that can access Tallahassee information 7649 05:07:06,080 --> 05:07:11,040 now. And of course, that can be abused, 7650 05:07:08,480 --> 05:07:13,840 but that's not really the worst of it. 7651 05:07:11,040 --> 05:07:16,718 Um, Flock can build any number Flock and 7652 05:07:13,840 --> 05:07:20,320 other providers can build any number of 7653 05:07:16,718 --> 05:07:22,240 data resale pro uh products. They can 7654 05:07:20,320 --> 05:07:24,560 aggregate it with data from other 7655 05:07:22,240 --> 05:07:27,040 brokers and they're selling our data. 7656 05:07:24,560 --> 05:07:29,600 They're selling our lives. Uh foreign 7657 05:07:27,040 --> 05:07:31,760 governments can track and buy, but you 7658 05:07:29,600 --> 05:07:35,280 just get a subscription and purchase the 7659 05:07:31,760 --> 05:07:38,560 data. And of course, the data can always 7660 05:07:35,280 --> 05:07:40,718 be hacked and stolen and sold. And I'm 7661 05:07:38,560 --> 05:07:45,440 sure some of you have gotten data breach 7662 05:07:40,718 --> 05:07:48,400 notices maybe from um your bank or from 7663 05:07:45,440 --> 05:07:50,718 TMH most recently. And those are only 7664 05:07:48,400 --> 05:07:52,320 only the ones you know about. I 7665 05:07:50,718 --> 05:07:54,480 guarantee you that there have been 7666 05:07:52,320 --> 05:07:55,680 others and you can find out on the dark 7667 05:07:54,480 --> 05:07:59,440 web. 7668 05:07:55,680 --> 05:08:02,878 » But when you allow flock cameras and 7669 05:07:59,440 --> 05:08:04,718 other camera readers into our community, 7670 05:08:02,878 --> 05:08:08,080 you're allowing and encouraging the 7671 05:08:04,718 --> 05:08:10,958 creation of data. Data that can be sold. 7672 05:08:08,080 --> 05:08:13,360 Data that can be misused. Data that 7673 05:08:10,958 --> 05:08:15,040 invades our privacy. 7674 05:08:13,360 --> 05:08:16,878 » Thank you. Our next speaker, 7675 05:08:15,040 --> 05:08:20,200 » Sean Thomas is the next speaker. Then 7676 05:08:16,878 --> 05:08:20,200 Daryl Alfred. 7677 05:08:27,520 --> 05:08:29,360 » Your name and address for the record, 7678 05:08:28,878 --> 05:08:32,080 please. 7679 05:08:29,360 --> 05:08:34,160 » Sean Thomas, 2113 Joiner Drive, 7680 05:08:32,080 --> 05:08:36,000 Tallahassee, Florida. Good evening, 7681 05:08:34,160 --> 05:08:38,080 mayor and commissioners. I urge you to 7682 05:08:36,000 --> 05:08:39,840 end Tallahassee's block camera program 7683 05:08:38,080 --> 05:08:41,840 and stop treating mass vehicle 7684 05:08:39,840 --> 05:08:46,320 surveillance as a normal part of life in 7685 05:08:41,840 --> 05:08:48,718 our city. CPD operates 155 automated 7686 05:08:46,320 --> 05:08:51,600 license plate reader cameras, 80 flock 7687 05:08:48,718 --> 05:08:54,000 cameras, and 75 vigilant cameras. That's 7688 05:08:51,600 --> 05:08:56,320 what the 155 consists of. Someone 7689 05:08:54,000 --> 05:08:58,798 getting paid $317,000 7690 05:08:56,320 --> 05:09:00,718 should know this. Supporters call this a 7691 05:08:58,798 --> 05:09:03,120 public safety tool, but public safety 7692 05:09:00,718 --> 05:09:05,200 cannot cost at cannot come at the cost 7693 05:09:03,120 --> 05:09:07,680 of turning every resident into a data 7694 05:09:05,200 --> 05:09:10,480 point tracked when they go to work, 7695 05:09:07,680 --> 05:09:13,840 attend church, visit a doctor, go to a 7696 05:09:10,480 --> 05:09:16,718 protest, or see family and friends. The 7697 05:09:13,840 --> 05:09:18,878 privacy risk are real. These systems can 7698 05:09:16,718 --> 05:09:21,360 connect local vehicle data to a broader 7699 05:09:18,878 --> 05:09:24,320 law enforcement network and move data is 7700 05:09:21,360 --> 05:09:26,480 deeply personal and movement data is 7701 05:09:24,320 --> 05:09:28,320 deeply personal. Sorry. Once a 7702 05:09:26,480 --> 05:09:30,080 surveillance network exists, the 7703 05:09:28,320 --> 05:09:32,240 question is not only how it is used 7704 05:09:30,080 --> 05:09:35,840 today. The question is how it can be 7705 05:09:32,240 --> 05:09:37,280 expanded, shared, or misused tomorrow. 7706 05:09:35,840 --> 05:09:39,200 The state of Florida has already 7707 05:09:37,280 --> 05:09:42,638 recognized that these cameras raised 7708 05:09:39,200 --> 05:09:44,400 serious concerns. On August 31st, FDOT 7709 05:09:42,638 --> 05:09:46,718 revoked permits for license plate 7710 05:09:44,400 --> 05:09:48,798 readers and state highway rightways, 7711 05:09:46,718 --> 05:09:51,360 ordered agencies to remove them within 7712 05:09:48,798 --> 05:09:53,280 30 days, and said it would stop stop 7713 05:09:51,360 --> 05:09:56,160 approving new installation in those 7714 05:09:53,280 --> 05:09:58,638 areas. Soon after, Sheriff Walt McNeel 7715 05:09:56,160 --> 05:10:00,240 also followed suit. Tallahassee should 7716 05:09:58,638 --> 05:10:02,320 not respond by looking for ways to 7717 05:10:00,240 --> 05:10:04,798 preserve surveillance on every remaining 7718 05:10:02,320 --> 05:10:07,360 city street. It should lead by 7719 05:10:04,798 --> 05:10:08,958 protecting civil liberties. If police 7720 05:10:07,360 --> 05:10:11,040 believe a vehicle is connected to a 7721 05:10:08,958 --> 05:10:13,680 serious crime, they have investigative 7722 05:10:11,040 --> 05:10:16,000 tools, witnesses, warrants, detectives, 7723 05:10:13,680 --> 05:10:18,718 traditional camera footage, and target 7724 05:10:16,000 --> 05:10:21,360 targeted searches. We don't not we do 7725 05:10:18,718 --> 05:10:23,120 not need a permanent permanent citywide 7726 05:10:21,360 --> 05:10:26,160 system that collects information on 7727 05:10:23,120 --> 05:10:28,000 everyone's first and ask question later. 7728 05:10:26,160 --> 05:10:30,080 I asked this commission to remove the 7729 05:10:28,000 --> 05:10:31,840 cameras and in the city participation in 7730 05:10:30,080 --> 05:10:33,920 the flock network, prevent future 7731 05:10:31,840 --> 05:10:36,240 expansion and require deletion of data 7732 05:10:33,920 --> 05:10:38,878 that is not tied to an active criminal 7733 05:10:36,240 --> 05:10:40,160 investigation. We can support effective 7734 05:10:38,878 --> 05:10:42,718 policing without accepting 7735 05:10:40,160 --> 05:10:44,718 indiscriminate surveillance. Tallassi 7736 05:10:42,718 --> 05:10:47,120 should choose safety with privacy, not 7737 05:10:44,718 --> 05:10:49,600 safety at the expense of privacy. 7738 05:10:47,120 --> 05:10:52,080 Commissioners, mayor, I recommend taking 7739 05:10:49,600 --> 05:10:54,240 a look at the app quote unquote God's 7740 05:10:52,080 --> 05:10:55,920 eye view and take a look at what the 7741 05:10:54,240 --> 05:10:58,240 capabilities are when we talk about 7742 05:10:55,920 --> 05:10:59,360 surveillance. Thank you. 7743 05:10:58,240 --> 05:11:01,600 » Next speaker, please. 7744 05:10:59,360 --> 05:11:05,080 » Daryl Alfred is our next speaker. Then 7745 05:11:01,600 --> 05:11:05,080 Colton Taylor. 7746 05:11:10,240 --> 05:11:12,000 » Your name and address for the record, 7747 05:11:11,600 --> 05:11:14,718 please. 7748 05:11:12,000 --> 05:11:17,600 » Good evening again. and I'm Dar Alfred 7749 05:11:14,718 --> 05:11:19,200 of 814 West Tharp Street. Uh I'm 7750 05:11:17,600 --> 05:11:21,440 standing here tonight in opposition to 7751 05:11:19,200 --> 05:11:23,840 Flock ALPRs and mass surveillance at 7752 05:11:21,440 --> 05:11:26,798 large. This technology got ahead of the 7753 05:11:23,840 --> 05:11:28,958 public fast. Flock cameras were dis or 7754 05:11:26,798 --> 05:11:30,798 deployed before most people or even many 7755 05:11:28,958 --> 05:11:32,798 legislators had any real awareness of 7756 05:11:30,798 --> 05:11:34,560 what these systems could become, how 7757 05:11:32,798 --> 05:11:36,160 much information they could collect, or 7758 05:11:34,560 --> 05:11:38,718 how easily that information could be 7759 05:11:36,160 --> 05:11:40,480 shared. For that reason alone, automated 7760 05:11:38,718 --> 05:11:42,480 license plate readers deserve a 7761 05:11:40,480 --> 05:11:44,240 moratorum no different than the pause 7762 05:11:42,480 --> 05:11:47,520 the community has called on large data 7763 05:11:44,240 --> 05:11:49,440 centers. This week, a former openi open 7764 05:11:47,520 --> 05:11:53,600 AI researcher just resigned from 7765 05:11:49,440 --> 05:11:54,878 anthropic warned that even warned that 7766 05:11:53,600 --> 05:11:56,160 even the people building these 7767 05:11:54,878 --> 05:11:58,480 technologies believe they're moving 7768 05:11:56,160 --> 05:12:00,878 dangerously fast. And yes, these cameras 7769 05:11:58,480 --> 05:12:03,280 can help solve crimes. Of course they 7770 05:12:00,878 --> 05:12:05,360 can. If we put a GPS tracker on every 7771 05:12:03,280 --> 05:12:07,520 car in town, that'd probably help solve 7772 05:12:05,360 --> 05:12:09,760 crime, too. We don't do that because 7773 05:12:07,520 --> 05:12:12,480 public safety is not the only value of a 7774 05:12:09,760 --> 05:12:14,560 free society it's supposed to protect. 7775 05:12:12,480 --> 05:12:16,480 We have a fourth amendment for a reason 7776 05:12:14,560 --> 05:12:18,718 and surveillance technology now being 7777 05:12:16,480 --> 05:12:20,958 sold for civilian policing has already 7778 05:12:18,718 --> 05:12:22,638 been deployed in Gaza. I don't want 7779 05:12:20,958 --> 05:12:24,400 Tallahassee becoming another testing 7780 05:12:22,638 --> 05:12:27,520 ground for technology moving from war 7781 05:12:24,400 --> 05:12:30,000 zones into civilian life. There is a 7782 05:12:27,520 --> 05:12:31,280 practical problem here too. Why keep 7783 05:12:30,000 --> 05:12:32,878 spending public money building 7784 05:12:31,280 --> 05:12:34,798 surveillance infrastructure whose 7785 05:12:32,878 --> 05:12:37,040 constitutional and regulatory future is 7786 05:12:34,798 --> 05:12:39,120 increasingly uncertain? Every one of 7787 05:12:37,040 --> 05:12:41,200 these cameras represents public money, 7788 05:12:39,120 --> 05:12:42,958 labor, materials, installation, and 7789 05:12:41,200 --> 05:12:45,200 maintenance. If these systems are 7790 05:12:42,958 --> 05:12:47,760 ultimately found to go too far, we've 7791 05:12:45,200 --> 05:12:49,040 wasted all of this time. Get flock and 7792 05:12:47,760 --> 05:12:50,958 surveillance technology out of 7793 05:12:49,040 --> 05:12:53,200 Tallahassee and put our resources into 7794 05:12:50,958 --> 05:12:55,600 things that actually prevent crime. 7795 05:12:53,200 --> 05:12:58,320 young people, mental health services, 7796 05:12:55,600 --> 05:13:00,718 housing stability, community activities, 7797 05:12:58,320 --> 05:13:02,240 job creation, and business ownership. 7798 05:13:00,718 --> 05:13:04,000 Build infrastructure that gives people 7799 05:13:02,240 --> 05:13:06,798 lives worth living, and you prevent the 7800 05:13:04,000 --> 05:13:08,400 violence that before it happens. Give 7801 05:13:06,798 --> 05:13:09,600 neighbors pathways to ownership and 7802 05:13:08,400 --> 05:13:11,760 stake, and you'll get stronger 7803 05:13:09,600 --> 05:13:13,760 neighborhoods. A camera can tell you 7804 05:13:11,760 --> 05:13:15,920 where something has gone wrong after 7805 05:13:13,760 --> 05:13:17,760 it's already happened. It can't stop 7806 05:13:15,920 --> 05:13:20,000 desperation and pain before it comes 7807 05:13:17,760 --> 05:13:22,718 violence, or crime created through 7808 05:13:20,000 --> 05:13:24,240 necessity or boredom. We have limited 7809 05:13:22,718 --> 05:13:26,480 money, limited labor, and limited 7810 05:13:24,240 --> 05:13:28,080 attention. We should stop spending all 7811 05:13:26,480 --> 05:13:29,760 three teaching government how to watch 7812 05:13:28,080 --> 05:13:32,160 us better and actually try to serve the 7813 05:13:29,760 --> 05:13:34,080 public. Let's build a city that has less 7814 05:13:32,160 --> 05:13:35,920 reason to watch us in the first place. 7815 05:13:34,080 --> 05:13:38,000 Put a moratorium on these systems. Get 7816 05:13:35,920 --> 05:13:42,000 them out of Tallahassee because we have 7817 05:13:38,000 --> 05:13:43,280 far larger problems to solve. Thanks. 7818 05:13:42,000 --> 05:13:46,160 » Next speaker, please. 7819 05:13:43,280 --> 05:13:47,840 » Colton Taylor and then Simone Hickman. 7820 05:13:46,160 --> 05:13:49,920 » Great name and address for the record, 7821 05:13:47,840 --> 05:13:51,360 please. 7822 05:13:49,920 --> 05:13:54,638 » Appreciate it. My name is Colton Taylor. 7823 05:13:51,360 --> 05:13:56,080 I live at 631 East Call Street. Uh so 7824 05:13:54,638 --> 05:13:57,600 communities across the country have seen 7825 05:13:56,080 --> 05:13:59,280 our rights be violated on numerous 7826 05:13:57,600 --> 05:14:00,718 fronts and these flaw cameras are 7827 05:13:59,280 --> 05:14:02,560 especially concerning because not only 7828 05:14:00,718 --> 05:14:03,920 do they infringe upon our rights, the 7829 05:14:02,560 --> 05:14:05,680 technology can be used to track our 7830 05:14:03,920 --> 05:14:06,878 every move. They say it's just for 7831 05:14:05,680 --> 05:14:08,240 public safety, but we've seen the 7832 05:14:06,878 --> 05:14:10,240 terrible consequences of how they've 7833 05:14:08,240 --> 05:14:13,280 been exploited. Uh mass surveillance 7834 05:14:10,240 --> 05:14:14,958 begets uh suppression and oppression. So 7835 05:14:13,280 --> 05:14:16,958 my question is is do we want to live in 7836 05:14:14,958 --> 05:14:18,560 a city under mass surveillance? Uh my 7837 05:14:16,958 --> 05:14:20,878 answer is no, and yours should be too. 7838 05:14:18,560 --> 05:14:23,440 Thanks. Our next speaker, please. 7839 05:14:20,878 --> 05:14:24,718 » Simone Hickman. 7840 05:14:23,440 --> 05:14:28,120 And then the next speaker will be 7841 05:14:24,718 --> 05:14:28,120 Jonathan Gardner. 7842 05:14:28,320 --> 05:14:34,560 » Name and address for the record, please. 7843 05:14:31,120 --> 05:14:37,360 » Uh, it's Simone Hickman, 10154 7844 05:14:34,560 --> 05:14:40,480 Rose Road. Uh, I live in a more rural 7845 05:14:37,360 --> 05:14:43,520 area and every single road from my house 7846 05:14:40,480 --> 05:14:47,200 is covered by flaw cameras. Uh my family 7847 05:14:43,520 --> 05:14:48,878 and I can't even buy gas or groceries 7848 05:14:47,200 --> 05:14:51,920 without the system recording our 7849 05:14:48,878 --> 05:14:53,680 vehicles. So I was very glad to hear the 7850 05:14:51,920 --> 05:14:56,400 governor announced that the cameras 7851 05:14:53,680 --> 05:14:59,680 would be coming down. I'm grateful to 7852 05:14:56,400 --> 05:15:01,520 Sheriff Walt McNeel for doing the same. 7853 05:14:59,680 --> 05:15:03,760 I'm especially grateful to Jefferson 7854 05:15:01,520 --> 05:15:05,840 County Sheriff M. McNeel for going above 7855 05:15:03,760 --> 05:15:08,080 and beyond because when I drove to 7856 05:15:05,840 --> 05:15:10,798 Monaceel this weekend, the cameras were 7857 05:15:08,080 --> 05:15:12,688 covered with black trash bags. 7858 05:15:10,798 --> 05:15:13,600 Interestingly, 7859 05:15:12,688 --> 05:15:15,840 [applause] 7860 05:15:13,600 --> 05:15:18,560 the cameras, from what I understand, 7861 05:15:15,840 --> 05:15:20,240 can't actually be removed because they 7862 05:15:18,560 --> 05:15:22,160 are still the property of the Flock 7863 05:15:20,240 --> 05:15:25,040 Corporation, but they covered them with 7864 05:15:22,160 --> 05:15:27,200 trash bags to reassure drivers that they 7865 05:15:25,040 --> 05:15:29,920 weren't being tracked. That's how you 7866 05:15:27,200 --> 05:15:32,160 build public trust with the community, 7867 05:15:29,920 --> 05:15:35,360 not with a transparency portal written 7868 05:15:32,160 --> 05:15:38,400 by Flock that honestly has very little 7869 05:15:35,360 --> 05:15:41,200 useful information. Uh, Wakulla County 7870 05:15:38,400 --> 05:15:44,160 is also getting rid of their cameras. 7871 05:15:41,200 --> 05:15:47,120 I'm not sure why Tallahassee Police 7872 05:15:44,160 --> 05:15:49,200 Department is holding out on this issue. 7873 05:15:47,120 --> 05:15:51,680 The city of Berkeley, California, has 7874 05:15:49,200 --> 05:15:54,000 been in the news lately because a memo 7875 05:15:51,680 --> 05:15:57,440 was leaked where city attorneys 7876 05:15:54,000 --> 05:16:00,320 discussed how the city may be liable in 7877 05:15:57,440 --> 05:16:02,160 court for issues related to Flock. 7878 05:16:00,320 --> 05:16:05,040 An independent study in Roseville, 7879 05:16:02,160 --> 05:16:07,280 California, found that 71% of all 7880 05:16:05,040 --> 05:16:11,760 license plates read by flock were read 7881 05:16:07,280 --> 05:16:13,600 inaccurately. 71% failure rate. So, not 7882 05:16:11,760 --> 05:16:15,200 only are these cameras a privacy 7883 05:16:13,600 --> 05:16:17,840 nightmare, they are a liability 7884 05:16:15,200 --> 05:16:19,680 nightmare, too. Innocent people are 7885 05:16:17,840 --> 05:16:22,878 going to be hurt by these things and 7886 05:16:19,680 --> 05:16:25,120 they are probably going to sue. 7887 05:16:22,878 --> 05:16:28,480 Flock is now facing a class action 7888 05:16:25,120 --> 05:16:31,760 lawsuit in Georgia. And let me just read 7889 05:16:28,480 --> 05:16:35,040 you the charges they are facing. Count 7890 05:16:31,760 --> 05:16:36,560 one, invasion of privacy. Count two, 7891 05:16:35,040 --> 05:16:39,520 negligence. 7892 05:16:36,560 --> 05:16:42,320 Count three, negligent design. Count 7893 05:16:39,520 --> 05:16:44,400 four, failure to warn. And count five, 7894 05:16:42,320 --> 05:16:46,240 emotional distress. 7895 05:16:44,400 --> 05:16:48,400 The lawsuit also reveals that the 7896 05:16:46,240 --> 05:16:50,878 cameras can actually photograph the 7897 05:16:48,400 --> 05:16:53,360 occupants of vehicles. 7898 05:16:50,878 --> 05:16:55,840 Block's newest model called the Condor 7899 05:16:53,360 --> 05:16:59,360 is specifically designed to track human 7900 05:16:55,840 --> 05:17:01,760 beings. It uses AI to identify people 7901 05:16:59,360 --> 05:17:04,000 down to their tattoos and can even read 7902 05:17:01,760 --> 05:17:05,680 their phone screens over their shoulder. 7903 05:17:04,000 --> 05:17:07,920 » You're at 30 seconds remaining. 7904 05:17:05,680 --> 05:17:10,080 » So that's what's coming next most 7905 05:17:07,920 --> 05:17:12,560 likely. I think we're hitting an 7906 05:17:10,080 --> 05:17:14,958 inflection point on surveillance in our 7907 05:17:12,560 --> 05:17:17,360 society and you guys are really the 7908 05:17:14,958 --> 05:17:19,840 frontline defenders of our privacy. So, 7909 05:17:17,360 --> 05:17:22,320 thank you for listening. 7910 05:17:19,840 --> 05:17:24,798 » Our next speaker, please, 7911 05:17:22,320 --> 05:17:28,400 » Jonathan Gardner. 7912 05:17:24,798 --> 05:17:29,920 And Matt Burke will then follow. 7913 05:17:28,400 --> 05:17:31,040 » Your name and address for the record, 7914 05:17:29,920 --> 05:17:33,600 please. 7915 05:17:31,040 --> 05:17:36,160 » Hi there, Jonathan Gardner. Uh, 32309, 7916 05:17:33,600 --> 05:17:37,600 uh, 3687 Donovan Drive. I do have some 7917 05:17:36,160 --> 05:17:38,958 handouts. I'm a handout person. I don't 7918 05:17:37,600 --> 05:17:42,760 know who who I should hand this to. 7919 05:17:38,958 --> 05:17:42,760 » To the officer right there. 7920 05:17:44,160 --> 05:17:48,080 » All right. So, that's a long set of 7921 05:17:46,160 --> 05:17:50,240 documents, but I have prepared for the 7922 05:17:48,080 --> 05:17:52,000 county and for you guys a personal 7923 05:17:50,240 --> 05:17:54,718 report on some of this. And it's more 7924 05:17:52,000 --> 05:17:56,080 than just flock cameras. Um, we're 7925 05:17:54,718 --> 05:17:58,160 talking about surveillance tools in 7926 05:17:56,080 --> 05:18:03,120 general. There is a market that is being 7927 05:17:58,160 --> 05:18:05,040 built um for civilian domestic espionage 7928 05:18:03,120 --> 05:18:07,840 that you can't put another name on it. 7929 05:18:05,040 --> 05:18:09,920 Um, and with AI tools coming up on the 7930 05:18:07,840 --> 05:18:12,320 last set of pages of that handout, um, 7931 05:18:09,920 --> 05:18:15,920 there's an article by Wired of Flock's 7932 05:18:12,320 --> 05:18:18,080 own um, what they have a AI chatbot that 7933 05:18:15,920 --> 05:18:20,480 takes in all of this data from your 7934 05:18:18,080 --> 05:18:23,600 license plate readers, um, from your 7935 05:18:20,480 --> 05:18:25,600 drone cameras, from social media pieces, 7936 05:18:23,600 --> 05:18:27,520 uh, and puts it all together and creates 7937 05:18:25,600 --> 05:18:29,680 you a list of suspects based on what 7938 05:18:27,520 --> 05:18:31,600 kind of information you're looking for. 7939 05:18:29,680 --> 05:18:33,120 Um, I would definitely recommend looking 7940 05:18:31,600 --> 05:18:36,000 into that. I think is the most striking 7941 05:18:33,120 --> 05:18:39,600 and and forefront um portion of what 7942 05:18:36,000 --> 05:18:41,600 this looks like. Um on the local level, 7943 05:18:39,600 --> 05:18:43,920 I want to thank you guys for considering 7944 05:18:41,600 --> 05:18:46,160 suspension. I think that we need to move 7945 05:18:43,920 --> 05:18:48,638 towards something bigger than that. Um a 7946 05:18:46,160 --> 05:18:50,320 previous speaker uh mentioned looking 7947 05:18:48,638 --> 05:18:52,400 back and saying how did how was this set 7948 05:18:50,320 --> 05:18:55,680 up? How was this done without real 7949 05:18:52,400 --> 05:18:57,360 public input or public knowledge? Um I 7950 05:18:55,680 --> 05:18:58,718 believe that these were set up last 7951 05:18:57,360 --> 05:19:00,400 summer. I mean that's when the real 7952 05:18:58,718 --> 05:19:02,160 explosion of them were and then it 7953 05:19:00,400 --> 05:19:04,480 didn't get to you guys until December 7954 05:19:02,160 --> 05:19:06,798 and there was a conversation in January. 7955 05:19:04,480 --> 05:19:08,400 So I mean six months of of time where 7956 05:19:06,798 --> 05:19:12,240 this is a big deal that now that 7957 05:19:08,400 --> 05:19:13,760 everybody knows. Uh so I would like a a 7958 05:19:12,240 --> 05:19:16,320 backwards look at that and then a 7959 05:19:13,760 --> 05:19:18,560 forward look. I at a previous commission 7960 05:19:16,320 --> 05:19:20,718 meeting put forward uh what Austin, 7961 05:19:18,560 --> 05:19:23,920 Texas did and set forth a policy, a 7962 05:19:20,718 --> 05:19:26,480 local policy um focusing on AI 7963 05:19:23,920 --> 05:19:28,798 surveillance technologies and what the 7964 05:19:26,480 --> 05:19:30,798 commission locally can set forth on 7965 05:19:28,798 --> 05:19:34,240 policies for review before they're 7966 05:19:30,798 --> 05:19:37,040 enacted um to do privacy impact 7967 05:19:34,240 --> 05:19:39,280 assessments on what these technologies 7968 05:19:37,040 --> 05:19:41,040 are doing and if they're effective. And 7969 05:19:39,280 --> 05:19:43,600 really none of those questions have been 7970 05:19:41,040 --> 05:19:45,680 asked at this commission until this 7971 05:19:43,600 --> 05:19:47,840 became a big public outcrage over this 7972 05:19:45,680 --> 05:19:50,878 year, maybe the past several months. Um, 7973 05:19:47,840 --> 05:19:54,160 it looks very bad in terms of public 7974 05:19:50,878 --> 05:19:55,680 trust when you have a year of this kind 7975 05:19:54,160 --> 05:19:58,320 of level of surveillance just being 7976 05:19:55,680 --> 05:20:00,080 enacted with nobody knowing and not 7977 05:19:58,320 --> 05:20:02,400 having any public input. If we want 7978 05:20:00,080 --> 05:20:05,520 this, sure, we can argue that they're 7979 05:20:02,400 --> 05:20:07,440 great for solving crimes. As somebody 7980 05:20:05,520 --> 05:20:09,040 previously said, GPS readers would be 7981 05:20:07,440 --> 05:20:11,760 great for that, too. There's a reason 7982 05:20:09,040 --> 05:20:13,600 that the Supreme Court made that a 7983 05:20:11,760 --> 05:20:14,798 warrant warrantable search. 7984 05:20:13,600 --> 05:20:16,718 » 30 seconds remaining. 7985 05:20:14,798 --> 05:20:18,240 » And what Flock is and all these other 7986 05:20:16,718 --> 05:20:20,080 people are really selling is a database 7987 05:20:18,240 --> 05:20:21,360 that the police can access. It's not the 7988 05:20:20,080 --> 05:20:22,400 cameras. I mean, the cameras are a big 7989 05:20:21,360 --> 05:20:24,400 deal, but they've been around for a 7990 05:20:22,400 --> 05:20:26,080 while. It's the database. It's the 7991 05:20:24,400 --> 05:20:28,560 profiling. It's being able to track 7992 05:20:26,080 --> 05:20:30,480 people. And that is what I think most 7993 05:20:28,560 --> 05:20:32,878 people are really upset about. It's not 7994 05:20:30,480 --> 05:20:35,280 the cameras that can help solve crimes. 7995 05:20:32,878 --> 05:20:36,718 It is the database that profiles people. 7996 05:20:35,280 --> 05:20:38,240 Thank you for considering suspension. 7997 05:20:36,718 --> 05:20:38,798 Let's keep this conversation going. 7998 05:20:38,240 --> 05:20:39,920 Thanks. 7999 05:20:38,798 --> 05:20:43,040 » Our next speaker, please, 8000 05:20:39,920 --> 05:20:46,400 » Matt Burke. [applause] 8001 05:20:43,040 --> 05:20:48,480 Matt Burke. 8002 05:20:46,400 --> 05:20:51,480 That Burke three times. Moving to PJ 8003 05:20:48,480 --> 05:20:51,480 Perez. 8004 05:20:55,600 --> 05:21:04,240 » Name and address for the record, please. 8005 05:20:59,520 --> 05:21:07,320 » Good evening. PJ Perez, 32301. 8006 05:21:04,240 --> 05:21:07,320 All right. 8007 05:21:08,000 --> 05:21:12,560 So opposition to mass surveillance uh 8008 05:21:10,718 --> 05:21:14,798 has bipartisan support nationwide, 8009 05:21:12,560 --> 05:21:17,280 right? Flock is the poster child, but 8010 05:21:14,798 --> 05:21:18,798 it's not the only threat. Our community 8011 05:21:17,280 --> 05:21:20,480 has been expressing concern over these 8012 05:21:18,798 --> 05:21:22,798 things for the better part of a year as 8013 05:21:20,480 --> 05:21:25,280 we've been talking about. This invasive 8014 05:21:22,798 --> 05:21:27,120 technology has been woven into our lives 8015 05:21:25,280 --> 05:21:29,600 and we've taken it as the reality that 8016 05:21:27,120 --> 05:21:31,040 we're just forced to accept. It's time 8017 05:21:29,600 --> 05:21:33,840 for this commission to finally listen to 8018 05:21:31,040 --> 05:21:35,280 the voices of the people. 8019 05:21:33,840 --> 05:21:37,360 Over the past year, this commission has 8020 05:21:35,280 --> 05:21:40,160 given away the hospital, given away 8021 05:21:37,360 --> 05:21:42,798 Capital City Country Club, slashed 8022 05:21:40,160 --> 05:21:44,958 unagended public speakers to 30 minutes, 8023 05:21:42,798 --> 05:21:47,200 and now hot off the presses, some city 8024 05:21:44,958 --> 05:21:48,878 manager contract hijinks to add to a 8025 05:21:47,200 --> 05:21:51,360 pretty rough resume over the course of a 8026 05:21:48,878 --> 05:21:52,480 year. 8027 05:21:51,360 --> 05:21:53,840 It's time this commission, the 8028 05:21:52,480 --> 05:21:56,878 government closest to the people, began 8029 05:21:53,840 --> 05:21:58,798 to vote like it, right? As a high school 8030 05:21:56,878 --> 05:22:00,958 social sciences teacher, I press on upon 8031 05:21:58,798 --> 05:22:02,480 my students every day to get active in 8032 05:22:00,958 --> 05:22:05,040 their community, especially in politics 8033 05:22:02,480 --> 05:22:06,480 here at the local level. It's an 8034 05:22:05,040 --> 05:22:09,200 essential project that we're all working 8035 05:22:06,480 --> 05:22:10,958 on here together. 8036 05:22:09,200 --> 05:22:13,200 Here, we can actually touch the 8037 05:22:10,958 --> 05:22:14,638 government. It's not federal. It's not 8038 05:22:13,200 --> 05:22:16,798 state. It's not disconnect. It's not 8039 05:22:14,638 --> 05:22:19,200 abstract. It's here. It's everyone in 8040 05:22:16,798 --> 05:22:21,200 this room. People coming around sharing 8041 05:22:19,200 --> 05:22:23,360 each other's thoughts, signing 8042 05:22:21,200 --> 05:22:25,200 petitions, gathering information. We're 8043 05:22:23,360 --> 05:22:27,760 living amongst each other. We need to be 8044 05:22:25,200 --> 05:22:28,958 listening to each other. 8045 05:22:27,760 --> 05:22:31,200 We need to be able to show the next 8046 05:22:28,958 --> 05:22:32,480 generation that their voice matters. 8047 05:22:31,200 --> 05:22:35,360 Show them there's still hope in this 8048 05:22:32,480 --> 05:22:36,878 city and in public service instead of 8049 05:22:35,360 --> 05:22:38,480 pulling up the rear on this issue. I 8050 05:22:36,878 --> 05:22:42,400 mean, we were behind the governor on 8051 05:22:38,480 --> 05:22:44,718 this guys. The governor behind him. 8052 05:22:42,400 --> 05:22:46,958 Strange. Nothing changed in two weeks. 8053 05:22:44,718 --> 05:22:48,958 Mr. Mayor, y'all just weren't 8054 05:22:46,958 --> 05:22:50,958 responsive. We had to wait for it to 8055 05:22:48,958 --> 05:22:53,520 become a safe issue politically for us 8056 05:22:50,958 --> 05:22:54,878 to act on this thing. 8057 05:22:53,520 --> 05:22:56,638 This is not the way that our capital 8058 05:22:54,878 --> 05:22:59,040 city needs to be acting, right? We need 8059 05:22:56,638 --> 05:23:00,400 to be nimble and responsive. We're all 8060 05:22:59,040 --> 05:23:02,718 right here. We see each other. We're all 8061 05:23:00,400 --> 05:23:04,958 in flesh and blood. We can't wait for 8062 05:23:02,718 --> 05:23:07,280 things to feel safe or be politically 8063 05:23:04,958 --> 05:23:08,958 expedient. We need to do what's 8064 05:23:07,280 --> 05:23:10,638 responsive to the community, to the 8065 05:23:08,958 --> 05:23:13,520 people. 8066 05:23:10,638 --> 05:23:16,560 So, I assure you, we need to be voting 8067 05:23:13,520 --> 05:23:18,080 to cancel this contract with Flock and 8068 05:23:16,560 --> 05:23:20,480 make it clear that no other vendor's 8069 05:23:18,080 --> 05:23:23,288 camera should be able to fill that void. 8070 05:23:20,480 --> 05:23:23,760 Thank you. 8071 05:23:23,288 --> 05:23:29,400 » [applause] 8072 05:23:23,760 --> 05:23:29,400 » Next speaker is Abdila Shakir 8073 05:23:36,080 --> 05:23:40,638 and then the next speaker after this 8074 05:23:37,600 --> 05:23:41,920 will be Dala Pierre. 8075 05:23:40,638 --> 05:23:42,560 » Your name and address for the record, 8076 05:23:41,920 --> 05:23:43,680 please. 8077 05:23:42,560 --> 05:23:46,160 » Good evening, commissioners. My name is 8078 05:23:43,680 --> 05:23:47,760 Abdil Skier, 1951 North Meridian Road. 8079 05:23:46,160 --> 05:23:49,520 I'm here representing the ACLU of 8080 05:23:47,760 --> 05:23:52,560 Florida. Our mission is to protect, 8081 05:23:49,520 --> 05:23:54,560 promote, uh, sorry, to protect, defend, 8082 05:23:52,560 --> 05:23:55,520 uh, uh, promote and expand the 8083 05:23:54,560 --> 05:23:58,320 constitutional rights and civil 8084 05:23:55,520 --> 05:24:00,000 liberties of all people in this country. 8085 05:23:58,320 --> 05:24:02,240 We all deserve to be safe in our 8086 05:24:00,000 --> 05:24:04,240 communities. But surveillance does not 8087 05:24:02,240 --> 05:24:05,840 make us safe, and Americans don't 8088 05:24:04,240 --> 05:24:07,760 surrender our privacy rights when we 8089 05:24:05,840 --> 05:24:09,760 drive to work, drop the kids off at 8090 05:24:07,760 --> 05:24:11,680 school, or go to church. Automatic 8091 05:24:09,760 --> 05:24:13,440 license plate reader, ALPR, companies 8092 05:24:11,680 --> 05:24:15,280 like Flock Safety, sell cameras that 8093 05:24:13,440 --> 05:24:17,440 record and digitize license plate 8094 05:24:15,280 --> 05:24:19,600 numbers and run them against hot lists. 8095 05:24:17,440 --> 05:24:21,360 But that data can be stored and shared. 8096 05:24:19,600 --> 05:24:22,878 And by doing so, it allows people to be 8097 05:24:21,360 --> 05:24:25,360 tracked for as long as that data is 8098 05:24:22,878 --> 05:24:26,958 retained. By the way, uh the TPD policy 8099 05:24:25,360 --> 05:24:28,480 that you all have says that that data is 8100 05:24:26,958 --> 05:24:30,400 retained for at least 30 days, even 8101 05:24:28,480 --> 05:24:32,480 though Flock recently uh changed their 8102 05:24:30,400 --> 05:24:34,798 default retention settings to 7 days. 8103 05:24:32,480 --> 05:24:36,718 So, uh this can reveal very intimate and 8104 05:24:34,798 --> 05:24:38,160 private details of a person's life. 8105 05:24:36,718 --> 05:24:39,600 Every time we drive to a doctor's 8106 05:24:38,160 --> 05:24:42,000 office, a place of worship, or a 8107 05:24:39,600 --> 05:24:43,920 friend's home, we leave a trail. And the 8108 05:24:42,000 --> 05:24:46,080 issue isn't just one snapshot. It's that 8109 05:24:43,920 --> 05:24:48,240 enough snapshots can create a map of 8110 05:24:46,080 --> 05:24:50,160 your life. They can record where we were 8111 05:24:48,240 --> 05:24:52,400 and when we were there. And that can 8112 05:24:50,160 --> 05:24:54,560 reveal our religious practices, our 8113 05:24:52,400 --> 05:24:56,000 medical visits, political activities, 8114 05:24:54,560 --> 05:24:58,400 personal relationships, our daily 8115 05:24:56,000 --> 05:25:00,240 routines. This inescapable network of 8116 05:24:58,400 --> 05:25:02,480 surveillance gives police around the 8117 05:25:00,240 --> 05:25:04,160 country new power to track our movements 8118 05:25:02,480 --> 05:25:06,560 without a warrant. By the way, putting 8119 05:25:04,160 --> 05:25:08,400 our freedom to move freely in danger. 8120 05:25:06,560 --> 05:25:10,638 This technology can be very easily 8121 05:25:08,400 --> 05:25:12,638 abused. In Kansas, police used them to 8122 05:25:10,638 --> 05:25:14,320 pursue a man who wrote a newspaper op-ed 8123 05:25:12,638 --> 05:25:16,160 that was critical of the department. 8124 05:25:14,320 --> 05:25:17,680 Here in Florida, in Pulk County, an 8125 05:25:16,160 --> 05:25:19,840 officer was recently suspended after 8126 05:25:17,680 --> 05:25:23,040 allegedly accessing the flock database 8127 05:25:19,840 --> 05:25:25,360 717 times over nearly two years to track 8128 05:25:23,040 --> 05:25:27,520 his aranged wife. But we are not 8129 05:25:25,360 --> 05:25:29,200 powerless. Communities across the 8130 05:25:27,520 --> 05:25:31,360 country are rejecting these creepy 8131 05:25:29,200 --> 05:25:32,480 cameras and winning. Cities and police 8132 05:25:31,360 --> 05:25:34,000 departments are canceling their 8133 05:25:32,480 --> 05:25:35,760 contracts with flock in response to 8134 05:25:34,000 --> 05:25:38,320 public pressure, and Tallahassee must 8135 05:25:35,760 --> 05:25:39,760 join that list. Everyday Americans are 8136 05:25:38,320 --> 05:25:41,360 coming together across the political 8137 05:25:39,760 --> 05:25:43,360 spectrum to reject this mass 8138 05:25:41,360 --> 05:25:45,360 surveillance. We don't have to hold the 8139 05:25:43,360 --> 05:25:47,120 same political beliefs to agree that 8140 05:25:45,360 --> 05:25:49,600 it's wrong for the government to track 8141 05:25:47,120 --> 05:25:51,920 everyone's movements just in case they 8142 05:25:49,600 --> 05:25:54,000 may someday be suspected of something. 8143 05:25:51,920 --> 05:25:56,560 And let's be clear, while Flock provides 8144 05:25:54,000 --> 05:25:58,160 the most widely used ALPRs, they're not 8145 05:25:56,560 --> 05:26:01,040 the only company trying to make a buck 8146 05:25:58,160 --> 05:26:02,718 off of spying off of us. Axon, Vigilant 8147 05:26:01,040 --> 05:26:05,040 Solutions, Genetic, Platesmart, 8148 05:26:02,718 --> 05:26:07,040 Perceptics, those are just a few of the 8149 05:26:05,040 --> 05:26:09,040 other major companies selling ALPRs to 8150 05:26:07,040 --> 05:26:10,878 police, private companies, and others. 8151 05:26:09,040 --> 05:26:12,798 It doesn't matter which creepy which 8152 05:26:10,878 --> 05:26:14,400 company has its creepy cameras in our 8153 05:26:12,798 --> 05:26:16,400 neighborhood. They all have the same 8154 05:26:14,400 --> 05:26:18,000 problem. A lack of transparency and 8155 05:26:16,400 --> 05:26:20,080 oversight into how they collect, store, 8156 05:26:18,000 --> 05:26:21,840 and share our data and how to hold 8157 05:26:20,080 --> 05:26:22,638 public and private actors accountable if 8158 05:26:21,840 --> 05:26:23,760 they abuse it. 8159 05:26:22,638 --> 05:26:25,360 » You're at 30 seconds. 8160 05:26:23,760 --> 05:26:27,440 » Thank you. Uh we must protect our 8161 05:26:25,360 --> 05:26:29,520 communities from these invasive cameras. 8162 05:26:27,440 --> 05:26:31,200 Uh if the government suspects us of 8163 05:26:29,520 --> 05:26:33,200 wrongdoing, they also need to get a 8164 05:26:31,200 --> 05:26:34,638 warrant. Everyone in America has the 8165 05:26:33,200 --> 05:26:38,240 right to move freely without being 8166 05:26:34,638 --> 05:26:41,040 surveiled. No flock, no ALPRs, no 8167 05:26:38,240 --> 05:26:42,798 exceptions, no excuses. Get these creepy 8168 05:26:41,040 --> 05:26:45,120 cameras out of our communities now and 8169 05:26:42,798 --> 05:26:47,650 tell these ALPR companies to get the 8170 05:26:45,120 --> 05:26:49,520 flock out of Tallahassee. 8171 05:26:47,650 --> 05:26:51,280 [applause] 8172 05:26:49,520 --> 05:26:54,000 » Our next speaker, please. 8173 05:26:51,280 --> 05:26:55,200 » Delila Pierre is next. Uh, followed by 8174 05:26:54,000 --> 05:26:56,718 Robert Lee. 8175 05:26:55,200 --> 05:26:57,440 » Your name and address for the record, 8176 05:26:56,718 --> 05:26:59,200 please. 8177 05:26:57,440 --> 05:27:01,040 » My name is Delila Pierre. My address is 8178 05:26:59,200 --> 05:27:02,798 exempt. I'm a member of the Tallahassee 8179 05:27:01,040 --> 05:27:04,480 Alliance Against Racist and Political 8180 05:27:02,798 --> 05:27:06,160 Repression. And I want to say that 8181 05:27:04,480 --> 05:27:08,878 police chief Lawrence Revel sitting 8182 05:27:06,160 --> 05:27:10,718 right over there. Um, and the TSI Police 8183 05:27:08,878 --> 05:27:12,240 Department are the last people we want 8184 05:27:10,718 --> 05:27:13,920 possible to have access to flawed 8185 05:27:12,240 --> 05:27:15,360 cameras because the TSI Police 8186 05:27:13,920 --> 05:27:16,958 Department has again and again shown 8187 05:27:15,360 --> 05:27:19,040 that they have a history of using 8188 05:27:16,958 --> 05:27:20,560 surveillance technology to harass and 8189 05:27:19,040 --> 05:27:22,480 spy on black and brown people in our 8190 05:27:20,560 --> 05:27:24,320 city and TV has always responded 8191 05:27:22,480 --> 05:27:27,120 negatively when asked to hold to take 8192 05:27:24,320 --> 05:27:29,040 accountability for their actions. So TD 8193 05:27:27,120 --> 05:27:30,400 says that um flock will be expanded to 8194 05:27:29,040 --> 05:27:32,240 areas, at least it says in your agenda 8195 05:27:30,400 --> 05:27:34,718 item, that flock will be expanded to 8196 05:27:32,240 --> 05:27:36,480 areas that have historically experienced 8197 05:27:34,718 --> 05:27:38,160 higher levels of criminal activity. 8198 05:27:36,480 --> 05:27:41,440 That's a nice way for you to say black 8199 05:27:38,160 --> 05:27:44,718 people. Um TBD has been caught using 8200 05:27:41,440 --> 05:27:47,280 stingray technology in 2015 to spy on 8201 05:27:44,718 --> 05:27:49,120 thousands of innocent bystanders. And 8202 05:27:47,280 --> 05:27:51,120 all these investigations TPD made, they 8203 05:27:49,120 --> 05:27:52,798 made no mention of using Stingray 8204 05:27:51,120 --> 05:27:54,240 technology in any of their court filings 8205 05:27:52,798 --> 05:27:58,320 or the judicial to the judicial 8206 05:27:54,240 --> 05:28:00,320 authorities. Um, TBD also has a history 8207 05:27:58,320 --> 05:28:02,638 of using his technology for things like 8208 05:28:00,320 --> 05:28:04,160 the 287G agreement. The TY Police 8209 05:28:02,638 --> 05:28:06,718 Department, although not having to, 8210 05:28:04,160 --> 05:28:08,480 decide to sign on to the 287g agreement 8211 05:28:06,718 --> 05:28:10,958 and work with them. Let's talk more 8212 05:28:08,480 --> 05:28:12,638 about what TBD has done because TBD also 8213 05:28:10,958 --> 05:28:14,878 was responsible for the conviction of 8214 05:28:12,638 --> 05:28:17,600 Calvin Riley, a black man falsely 8215 05:28:14,878 --> 05:28:19,280 convicted of a DUI when there was direct 8216 05:28:17,600 --> 05:28:22,480 evidence that he was being set up by 8217 05:28:19,280 --> 05:28:24,718 officer Kirstston Oliver who literally 8218 05:28:22,480 --> 05:28:26,240 who took an alcohol bottle from his car, 8219 05:28:24,718 --> 05:28:29,920 opened it, and then put it back in so 8220 05:28:26,240 --> 05:28:32,000 she had the pretext to arrest him. So, I 8221 05:28:29,920 --> 05:28:34,558 don't understand why you would think 8222 05:28:32,000 --> 05:28:36,400 that an organization that barks against 8223 05:28:34,558 --> 05:28:38,400 transparency, that an organization that 8224 05:28:36,400 --> 05:28:40,240 fought for the removal of a citizens 8225 05:28:38,400 --> 05:28:42,320 police review board, that openly 8226 05:28:40,240 --> 05:28:45,440 celebrated working with war criminal 8227 05:28:42,320 --> 05:28:47,280 Eddie Gallagher, who posed with a corpse 8228 05:28:45,440 --> 05:28:49,280 and was convicted for it, that an 8229 05:28:47,280 --> 05:28:52,480 organization where our police chief, 8230 05:28:49,280 --> 05:28:54,320 Lawrence Revel, went to an anti-LGBTQ 8231 05:28:52,480 --> 05:28:56,320 plus conference with a Tati police 8232 05:28:54,320 --> 05:28:58,160 department shirt, and then y'all, city 8233 05:28:56,320 --> 05:29:00,240 commissioners Dy Williams, Cox, Curtis 8234 05:28:58,160 --> 05:29:02,160 Richardson John Dailyaly defended him. I 8235 05:29:00,240 --> 05:29:03,680 have no idea why you would think that 8236 05:29:02,160 --> 05:29:05,520 you have the right to surveil people in 8237 05:29:03,680 --> 05:29:07,280 our community when time and time again 8238 05:29:05,520 --> 05:29:09,200 when we ask for justice for victims of 8239 05:29:07,280 --> 05:29:11,120 police brutality for immigrants and for 8240 05:29:09,200 --> 05:29:13,600 people who are affected by your actions, 8241 05:29:11,120 --> 05:29:16,480 you go through an internal investigation 8242 05:29:13,600 --> 05:29:19,200 process that finds it that TBD is not in 8243 05:29:16,480 --> 05:29:21,360 trouble. What kind of system is this 8244 05:29:19,200 --> 05:29:23,840 where we already spend onethird of our 8245 05:29:21,360 --> 05:29:25,760 budget on policing and you already have 8246 05:29:23,840 --> 05:29:28,958 the real time crime center and a 8247 05:29:25,760 --> 05:29:32,320 thousand other ways to surveil people to 8248 05:29:28,958 --> 05:29:33,920 criminalize people to to detain people. 8249 05:29:32,320 --> 05:29:35,680 As an organizer fighting for black 8250 05:29:33,920 --> 05:29:37,360 liberation, I know these flaw cameras 8251 05:29:35,680 --> 05:29:38,958 are damage to black communities in 8252 05:29:37,360 --> 05:29:40,718 Tallahassee, to brown communities in 8253 05:29:38,958 --> 05:29:42,160 Tallahassee. Our police department has 8254 05:29:40,718 --> 05:29:44,000 shown time and time again that they 8255 05:29:42,160 --> 05:29:45,920 don't care about accountability. And I 8256 05:29:44,000 --> 05:29:47,840 Williams Cox, your time is coming up. 8257 05:29:45,920 --> 05:29:49,280 Your seat is not secure, so you better 8258 05:29:47,840 --> 05:29:51,840 be thoughtful when you make that vote 8259 05:29:49,280 --> 05:29:53,120 today. Thank you. 8260 05:29:51,840 --> 05:29:55,040 » Our next speaker, please, 8261 05:29:53,120 --> 05:29:56,638 » Robert Lee. 8262 05:29:55,040 --> 05:29:57,520 » And the next will be Lily Anderson 8263 05:29:56,638 --> 05:29:58,958 Messing. 8264 05:29:57,520 --> 05:30:00,000 » Your name and address for the record, 8265 05:29:58,958 --> 05:30:01,600 please. 8266 05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:04,080 » Uh, my name is Robert Lee. Uh, 8267 05:30:01,600 --> 05:30:06,160 Tallahass, Florida 32303. 8268 05:30:04,080 --> 05:30:07,520 Um, so I'm going to read off a few 8269 05:30:06,160 --> 05:30:11,120 things uh from some recent news 8270 05:30:07,520 --> 05:30:13,360 articles. Um, Brandon Upurch was just 8271 05:30:11,120 --> 05:30:15,040 driving his Dodge Ram through Toledo 8272 05:30:13,360 --> 05:30:17,280 when an AI camera changed his life 8273 05:30:15,040 --> 05:30:19,920 forever. A Flock safety surveillance 8274 05:30:17,280 --> 05:30:22,080 system misread a seven as a two on his 8275 05:30:19,920 --> 05:30:23,520 license plate, trigger triggering a 8276 05:30:22,080 --> 05:30:25,280 stolen vehicle alert that ended up with 8277 05:30:23,520 --> 05:30:27,520 a police K9 tearing into his arm and 8278 05:30:25,280 --> 05:30:29,840 dreadlocks. What should have been a 8279 05:30:27,520 --> 05:30:32,080 routine drive became a nightmare of John 8280 05:30:29,840 --> 05:30:34,000 Guns, dog bites, hospital visits, and 8281 05:30:32,080 --> 05:30:35,200 jail time. All because a computer 8282 05:30:34,000 --> 05:30:39,200 couldn't tell the difference between two 8283 05:30:35,200 --> 05:30:40,638 numbers. On October 4th, 2025, Hakeim 8284 05:30:39,200 --> 05:30:42,320 Dino attended his granddaughter's 8285 05:30:40,638 --> 05:30:43,840 birthday party in Sanford, Florida. At 8286 05:30:42,320 --> 05:30:45,200 the end of the night, he headed to his 8287 05:30:43,840 --> 05:30:46,958 daughter's house. 8 miles down 8288 05:30:45,200 --> 05:30:48,638 Interstate 4, a speeding car swerved 8289 05:30:46,958 --> 05:30:51,360 across multiple lanes at over 100 miles 8290 05:30:48,638 --> 05:30:53,440 an hour. It swiped Dino's motorcycle, 8291 05:30:51,360 --> 05:30:55,520 then hit a Ford Focus, causing a pileup 8292 05:30:53,440 --> 05:30:58,240 before driving away. Dino died at the 8293 05:30:55,520 --> 05:31:00,480 scene, as did a county official and his 8294 05:30:58,240 --> 05:31:03,200 wife. Witnesses said the speeding car 8295 05:31:00,480 --> 05:31:05,200 was a Dodge Durango. Police found that a 8296 05:31:03,200 --> 05:31:06,558 a flot camera, a type of automated 8297 05:31:05,200 --> 05:31:08,480 license plate reader, had spotted a 8298 05:31:06,558 --> 05:31:10,320 Durango nearby at the time. They 8299 05:31:08,480 --> 05:31:12,320 arrested the owner, 23-year-old Lindseay 8300 05:31:10,320 --> 05:31:13,520 Issacs. But Isaac wasn't involved in the 8301 05:31:12,320 --> 05:31:15,040 crash, and officers had enough 8302 05:31:13,520 --> 05:31:17,520 information at the time to exclude her 8303 05:31:15,040 --> 05:31:19,440 as a suspect. Yet, she still spent two 8304 05:31:17,520 --> 05:31:21,360 weeks in jail and faced the threat of 8305 05:31:19,440 --> 05:31:23,600 life behind bars for months because 8306 05:31:21,360 --> 05:31:25,200 police didn't use basic scrutiny and, 8307 05:31:23,600 --> 05:31:26,718 you know, like just regular police work 8308 05:31:25,200 --> 05:31:30,160 to be sure their cameras didn't 8309 05:31:26,718 --> 05:31:32,080 implicate an innocent person. In 2020, 8310 05:31:30,160 --> 05:31:34,000 Aurora, Colorado, notoriously held a 8311 05:31:32,080 --> 05:31:37,120 black family, including small children, 8312 05:31:34,000 --> 05:31:39,280 face down at gunpoint after an ALPR 8313 05:31:37,120 --> 05:31:42,160 misidentified their SUV as a stolen 8314 05:31:39,280 --> 05:31:43,120 motorcycle from another state. So, these 8315 05:31:42,160 --> 05:31:44,558 cameras can't tell the difference 8316 05:31:43,120 --> 05:31:45,840 between a car and a motorcycle or 8317 05:31:44,558 --> 05:31:47,644 between two different state license 8318 05:31:45,840 --> 05:31:48,718 plates. 8319 05:31:47,644 --> 05:31:51,200 [clears throat] 8320 05:31:48,718 --> 05:31:52,958 These cameras are not compatible with a 8321 05:31:51,200 --> 05:31:55,520 free society. 8322 05:31:52,958 --> 05:31:58,000 I understand the desire for safety, but 8323 05:31:55,520 --> 05:31:59,920 creating a panopticon that surveils us 8324 05:31:58,000 --> 05:32:02,958 at all times and all our of our 8325 05:31:59,920 --> 05:32:05,600 movements is not safety. What creates 8326 05:32:02,958 --> 05:32:07,040 safety is providing community resources, 8327 05:32:05,600 --> 05:32:09,680 giving people the help that they need so 8328 05:32:07,040 --> 05:32:11,360 that they're not desperate to, you know, 8329 05:32:09,680 --> 05:32:14,080 figure out how to survive any way that 8330 05:32:11,360 --> 05:32:17,920 they can. These cameras are security 8331 05:32:14,080 --> 05:32:19,680 theater at best. Um, now obviously we've 8332 05:32:17,920 --> 05:32:21,920 heard quite a bit about all the misuse 8333 05:32:19,680 --> 05:32:24,000 of the cameras. officers all over the 8334 05:32:21,920 --> 05:32:26,320 country stalking their ex-girlfriends, 8335 05:32:24,000 --> 05:32:28,160 stalking their ex-wives, um stalking 8336 05:32:26,320 --> 05:32:30,080 random women that they met who didn't go 8337 05:32:28,160 --> 05:32:34,320 on a date with them. Um really weird 8338 05:32:30,080 --> 05:32:35,840 stuff. Um but even beyond the misuse, 8339 05:32:34,320 --> 05:32:36,958 the stories I said before, 8340 05:32:35,840 --> 05:32:39,200 » 30 seconds remaining. 8341 05:32:36,958 --> 05:32:42,558 » Just the simple existence of them is a 8342 05:32:39,200 --> 05:32:44,480 problem. They make mistakes. This is not 8343 05:32:42,558 --> 05:32:46,558 something that we should be acceptable 8344 05:32:44,480 --> 05:32:47,840 accepting of. We shouldn't be surveiled 8345 05:32:46,558 --> 05:32:49,840 at all times. We should be able to go 8346 05:32:47,840 --> 05:32:51,360 about our movements. If we haven't done 8347 05:32:49,840 --> 05:32:52,638 anything wrong, we shouldn't have to be 8348 05:32:51,360 --> 05:32:55,120 worried about are we constantly being 8349 05:32:52,638 --> 05:32:56,638 filmed by the city trying to, you know, 8350 05:32:55,120 --> 05:32:59,680 track our movements everywhere that we 8351 05:32:56,638 --> 05:33:01,440 go. So, please end this contract. I 8352 05:32:59,680 --> 05:33:03,680 mean, don't be in conflict with the 8353 05:33:01,440 --> 05:33:05,040 state and the county and countless other 8354 05:33:03,680 --> 05:33:06,958 cities across Florida and the country 8355 05:33:05,040 --> 05:33:07,280 that are suspending their contracts. 8356 05:33:06,958 --> 05:33:08,958 Thank you. 8357 05:33:07,280 --> 05:33:10,718 » Our next speaker, please. 8358 05:33:08,958 --> 05:33:13,520 » Next speaker is Lily Anderson Messik, 8359 05:33:10,718 --> 05:33:14,718 then Stanley Sims. 8360 05:33:13,520 --> 05:33:14,958 » Your name and address for the record, 8361 05:33:14,718 --> 05:33:18,080 please. 8362 05:33:14,958 --> 05:33:21,360 » Lily Anderson Messics. Um, I live on 8363 05:33:18,080 --> 05:33:23,440 West 6th Avenue, Tales 32303. 8364 05:33:21,360 --> 05:33:25,040 And hi, I was Thank you guys for staying 8365 05:33:23,440 --> 05:33:27,040 late and listening to us. I appreciate 8366 05:33:25,040 --> 05:33:30,958 it. I was born here in Tallahassee at 8367 05:33:27,040 --> 05:33:32,878 TMH and um, grew up here. Your u, Mayor 8368 05:33:30,958 --> 05:33:35,680 Dailyaly, your mom, was one of my grade 8369 05:33:32,878 --> 05:33:38,558 school teachers here in town and I'm 8370 05:33:35,680 --> 05:33:40,798 just really frightened by these cameras 8371 05:33:38,558 --> 05:33:43,760 that are going that are all over town. 8372 05:33:40,798 --> 05:33:46,480 Um, I'm also a victim of sexual assault 8373 05:33:43,760 --> 05:33:49,040 and I'm every time I leave my house now 8374 05:33:46,480 --> 05:33:51,440 and I drive past these cameras at every 8375 05:33:49,040 --> 05:33:55,840 street light, I don't know how many men 8376 05:33:51,440 --> 05:33:59,600 are tracking my whereabouts. It's really 8377 05:33:55,840 --> 05:34:02,558 concerning to me. This is a a stalker's 8378 05:33:59,600 --> 05:34:05,360 and a domestic abuser's dream to have 8379 05:34:02,558 --> 05:34:07,200 access to this type of information and 8380 05:34:05,360 --> 05:34:09,440 they are using it that way. We're seeing 8381 05:34:07,200 --> 05:34:11,840 cases in Florida and across the nation 8382 05:34:09,440 --> 05:34:15,040 of these cameras being used to stalk and 8383 05:34:11,840 --> 05:34:16,878 abuse women. Um I'm also a botonist and 8384 05:34:15,040 --> 05:34:20,080 an ecologist and I spend a lot of time 8385 05:34:16,878 --> 05:34:23,040 in, you know, secluded areas and I drove 8386 05:34:20,080 --> 05:34:26,638 out to uh the Appalachic National Forest 8387 05:34:23,040 --> 05:34:29,680 this week past um the Talas airport and 8388 05:34:26,638 --> 05:34:32,400 I passed so many cameras. My entire 8389 05:34:29,680 --> 05:34:34,798 route was tracked out there and it made 8390 05:34:32,400 --> 05:34:36,480 me realize I'm in these secluded areas 8391 05:34:34,798 --> 05:34:38,000 which I have historically always felt 8392 05:34:36,480 --> 05:34:40,558 very safe in because I know how to 8393 05:34:38,000 --> 05:34:43,440 handle myself in nature. But to know 8394 05:34:40,558 --> 05:34:45,280 that I don't know how many strange men 8395 05:34:43,440 --> 05:34:48,798 know where I am at all times and know 8396 05:34:45,280 --> 05:34:51,280 that I'm in a secluded area that's scary 8397 05:34:48,798 --> 05:34:53,600 to me. That's really frightening. Um 8398 05:34:51,280 --> 05:34:55,680 it's also a roll out of mass 8399 05:34:53,600 --> 05:34:57,760 surveillance across the nation that is 8400 05:34:55,680 --> 05:35:00,558 happening in has been mentioned. This is 8401 05:34:57,760 --> 05:35:03,920 data that is being stolen from us and 8402 05:35:00,558 --> 05:35:07,360 being sold to we don't know who. It's 8403 05:35:03,920 --> 05:35:10,000 just very scary. It's a tool that has 8404 05:35:07,360 --> 05:35:12,240 too many. It's just too ripe for abuse. 8405 05:35:10,000 --> 05:35:15,280 And we have rights. I have I believe I 8406 05:35:12,240 --> 05:35:17,120 have a right to privacy in public. You 8407 05:35:15,280 --> 05:35:18,798 know, I would like to have a reasonable 8408 05:35:17,120 --> 05:35:21,200 right to privacy and not know that my 8409 05:35:18,798 --> 05:35:22,400 data is being sold. I was really I 8410 05:35:21,200 --> 05:35:23,840 wasn't able to attend the last 8411 05:35:22,400 --> 05:35:25,520 commission meeting, but I was really 8412 05:35:23,840 --> 05:35:27,600 dismayed at what happened at that 8413 05:35:25,520 --> 05:35:30,240 commission meeting. I think it's really 8414 05:35:27,600 --> 05:35:32,958 embarrassing that Dantis came out and 8415 05:35:30,240 --> 05:35:36,480 and is against flock before our own 8416 05:35:32,958 --> 05:35:38,638 commission is that's shocking to me. I 8417 05:35:36,480 --> 05:35:41,360 never thought that would happen. And I 8418 05:35:38,638 --> 05:35:44,080 also was really shocked and dismayed at 8419 05:35:41,360 --> 05:35:45,760 uh Chief Rebel's attitude in that 8420 05:35:44,080 --> 05:35:46,958 meeting and how he treated Commissioner 8421 05:35:45,760 --> 05:35:49,280 Porter. I thought that was 8422 05:35:46,958 --> 05:35:50,958 » You have 30 seconds remaining. So, um, I 8423 05:35:49,280 --> 05:35:53,272 just wanted to express my concern. Thank 8424 05:35:50,958 --> 05:35:54,080 you for listening. Have a good night. 8425 05:35:53,272 --> 05:35:55,520 [applause] 8426 05:35:54,080 --> 05:35:57,920 » The next speaker, please, 8427 05:35:55,520 --> 05:36:00,958 » Stanley Sims. And then Lisa Sears. 8428 05:35:57,920 --> 05:36:05,120 » My name is Stanley Sims. I'm still at 8429 05:36:00,958 --> 05:36:06,878 1320 Barack Obama way. 8430 05:36:05,120 --> 05:36:08,480 First of all, let me say this because I 8431 05:36:06,878 --> 05:36:10,320 don't get a chance to say, matter of 8432 05:36:08,480 --> 05:36:14,760 fact, I've never had the opportunity to 8433 05:36:10,320 --> 05:36:14,760 say it. I want to thank the governor, 8434 05:36:16,558 --> 05:36:20,638 man. 8435 05:36:18,000 --> 05:36:22,480 I want to thank him 8436 05:36:20,638 --> 05:36:27,240 because if he can come to common sense 8437 05:36:22,480 --> 05:36:27,240 on this, everyone should. 8438 05:36:27,360 --> 05:36:31,120 But in my heart, I believe that if the 8439 05:36:29,360 --> 05:36:35,558 governor would not have done what I've 8440 05:36:31,120 --> 05:36:35,558 done, we would not be here today. 8441 05:36:36,878 --> 05:36:43,878 The second thing I have a problem with, 8442 05:36:38,798 --> 05:36:43,878 we keep using the word suspend. 8443 05:36:44,480 --> 05:36:51,638 So that's for a time period. So, does 8444 05:36:47,120 --> 05:36:51,638 that mean that this can come back? 8445 05:36:51,840 --> 05:36:56,120 I also have heard some distortions. 8446 05:36:56,160 --> 05:37:03,840 These flock them up cameras 8447 05:37:00,000 --> 05:37:07,958 do not do facial recognition. 8448 05:37:03,840 --> 05:37:07,958 They read license plates. 8449 05:37:08,000 --> 05:37:12,878 Also, another distortion I want to clear 8450 05:37:10,080 --> 05:37:15,840 up with with you, my good favorite 8451 05:37:12,878 --> 05:37:18,638 friend, Mr. Curtis Richardson. 8452 05:37:15,840 --> 05:37:22,480 Those cameras 8453 05:37:18,638 --> 05:37:25,120 that we put up in neighborhoods 8454 05:37:22,480 --> 05:37:25,840 are nothing compared to these flock 8455 05:37:25,120 --> 05:37:27,120 cameras. 8456 05:37:25,840 --> 05:37:29,280 » I never said there were 8457 05:37:27,120 --> 05:37:30,000 » I didn't say you did. I didn't say you 8458 05:37:29,280 --> 05:37:32,160 did. 8459 05:37:30,000 --> 05:37:34,320 » Okay. 8460 05:37:32,160 --> 05:37:37,680 » They operate 8461 05:37:34,320 --> 05:37:40,878 totally different. 8462 05:37:37,680 --> 05:37:44,400 This flock camera can track me from 8463 05:37:40,878 --> 05:37:47,440 place to place. If I go to Wind Dixie, 8464 05:37:44,400 --> 05:37:50,558 it could catch me. If I go to Publix, it 8465 05:37:47,440 --> 05:37:53,040 could catch me. The cameras are 8466 05:37:50,558 --> 05:37:56,638 stationary. 8467 05:37:53,040 --> 05:37:59,120 So, I know I'm in a survey area, and 8468 05:37:56,638 --> 05:38:02,958 those people in that area wanted that 8469 05:37:59,120 --> 05:38:07,558 camera. So, I'm cool with that. 8470 05:38:02,958 --> 05:38:07,558 Here's the other problem I have. 8471 05:38:08,320 --> 05:38:14,120 You keep bragging about transparency, 8472 05:38:11,120 --> 05:38:14,120 mayor. 8473 05:38:15,280 --> 05:38:21,120 Why understand what's the hell is going 8474 05:38:17,680 --> 05:38:23,040 on around here? Nobody 8475 05:38:21,120 --> 05:38:26,718 Nobody 8476 05:38:23,040 --> 05:38:29,360 explained to us. 8477 05:38:26,718 --> 05:38:30,400 This is different also, Chief, our good 8478 05:38:29,360 --> 05:38:32,718 friend, Chief, 8479 05:38:30,400 --> 05:38:34,638 » 30 seconds, than pulling somebody's 8480 05:38:32,718 --> 05:38:37,840 driving license. 8481 05:38:34,638 --> 05:38:40,958 It is not the same. 8482 05:38:37,840 --> 05:38:45,360 This is an invasion 8483 05:38:40,958 --> 05:38:48,320 that is not really justified or 8484 05:38:45,360 --> 05:38:50,958 been explained to the public. 8485 05:38:48,320 --> 05:38:52,718 You have a right to be upset. And can I 8486 05:38:50,958 --> 05:38:55,600 say this one more time? I want to thank 8487 05:38:52,718 --> 05:38:58,320 the governor 8488 05:38:55,600 --> 05:39:00,240 for making this move. 8489 05:38:58,320 --> 05:39:01,520 I'm going home. 8490 05:39:00,240 --> 05:39:04,160 » Our next speaker, please. 8491 05:39:01,520 --> 05:39:08,280 » Lisa Sears is our next speaker. 8492 05:39:04,160 --> 05:39:08,280 followed by Thomas Spears. 8493 05:39:09,520 --> 05:39:12,798 » Your name and address for the record, 8494 05:39:10,958 --> 05:39:17,760 please. 8495 05:39:12,798 --> 05:39:19,920 » My name is Lisa Sears, zip code 32303. 8496 05:39:17,760 --> 05:39:22,320 First, I want to thank the commissioners 8497 05:39:19,920 --> 05:39:25,840 and the mayor for taking the stance that 8498 05:39:22,320 --> 05:39:28,878 you are on this camera situation. 8499 05:39:25,840 --> 05:39:30,798 Um, my major reasons for opposition are 8500 05:39:28,878 --> 05:39:34,240 Fourth Amendment concerns, police 8501 05:39:30,798 --> 05:39:36,160 misuse, immigration data sharing, mass 8502 05:39:34,240 --> 05:39:38,480 immigration data sharing, and creeping 8503 05:39:36,160 --> 05:39:40,240 mass surveillance and lack of 8504 05:39:38,480 --> 05:39:42,718 transparency. 8505 05:39:40,240 --> 05:39:46,160 Block cameras build national databases, 8506 05:39:42,718 --> 05:39:48,958 perhaps even international, 8507 05:39:46,160 --> 05:39:52,000 tracking the daily moves of just 8508 05:39:48,958 --> 05:39:53,680 ordinary citizens without a warrant, 8509 05:39:52,000 --> 05:39:56,680 which is actually const in 8510 05:39:53,680 --> 05:39:56,680 unconstitutional. 8511 05:39:57,280 --> 05:40:05,360 If you all insist 8512 05:39:59,680 --> 05:40:07,680 on keeping the flock cameras, then let's 8513 05:40:05,360 --> 05:40:09,840 use them on our public citizens, on our 8514 05:40:07,680 --> 05:40:11,920 public servants. 8515 05:40:09,840 --> 05:40:14,320 put them on the driveways, put them in 8516 05:40:11,920 --> 05:40:17,040 their offices to ensure transparency and 8517 05:40:14,320 --> 05:40:20,718 integrity. 8518 05:40:17,040 --> 05:40:22,958 We have a pedto predatory administration 8519 05:40:20,718 --> 05:40:26,558 and possibly the majority of the 8520 05:40:22,958 --> 05:40:28,400 leadership in this world 8521 05:40:26,558 --> 05:40:30,798 and we already seem to be implementing 8522 05:40:28,400 --> 05:40:32,958 the Nazi playbook. 8523 05:40:30,798 --> 05:40:36,718 So this is just another thing to 8524 05:40:32,958 --> 05:40:39,360 weaponize against we the people. 8525 05:40:36,718 --> 05:40:40,878 As an two simple examples, a woman was 8526 05:40:39,360 --> 05:40:43,680 tracked in two different states in 8527 05:40:40,878 --> 05:40:46,480 several states to criminally charge her 8528 05:40:43,680 --> 05:40:48,080 for having an abortion. 8529 05:40:46,480 --> 05:40:51,120 There was another older lady who was 8530 05:40:48,080 --> 05:40:53,520 tracked in several states to go get pain 8531 05:40:51,120 --> 05:40:56,638 medication at a dispensary that was not 8532 05:40:53,520 --> 05:40:58,718 legal in her own state. Yet, not one of 8533 05:40:56,638 --> 05:41:00,958 these flock cameras have helped track 8534 05:40:58,718 --> 05:41:04,240 down one, not one predator in the 8535 05:41:00,958 --> 05:41:06,080 Epstein files. 8536 05:41:04,240 --> 05:41:08,558 as a mother and grandmother and 8537 05:41:06,080 --> 05:41:11,680 volunteer of Tira and Grace Alliance in 8538 05:41:08,558 --> 05:41:13,840 action which helps which helps humanity 8539 05:41:11,680 --> 05:41:16,638 our human families that are in crisis 8540 05:41:13,840 --> 05:41:19,840 which of course immigrant families are 8541 05:41:16,638 --> 05:41:21,840 high on that list right now. 8542 05:41:19,840 --> 05:41:24,160 I have seen our constitution being 8543 05:41:21,840 --> 05:41:27,040 walked all over our rights being eroded 8544 05:41:24,160 --> 05:41:29,760 the American dream going up in smoke 8545 05:41:27,040 --> 05:41:33,040 that our immigrant ancestors believed in 8546 05:41:29,760 --> 05:41:34,718 and were very grateful for. I see 8547 05:41:33,040 --> 05:41:37,760 families being torn apart and people 8548 05:41:34,718 --> 05:41:40,080 being imprisoned without due process, 8549 05:41:37,760 --> 05:41:42,320 moved from prison to prison for profit. 8550 05:41:40,080 --> 05:41:45,120 The misspelling of names, whether it's 8551 05:41:42,320 --> 05:41:48,958 on purpose or poorly trained or 8552 05:41:45,120 --> 05:41:51,440 incompetence by these poorly trained ICE 8553 05:41:48,958 --> 05:41:54,958 agents. 8554 05:41:51,440 --> 05:41:57,520 » Lord have mercy. I have so much to say. 8555 05:41:54,958 --> 05:42:00,558 Well, 8556 05:41:57,520 --> 05:42:03,760 as a mom and a grandmother and volunteer 8557 05:42:00,558 --> 05:42:06,480 helping fellow humans, I am disappointed 8558 05:42:03,760 --> 05:42:09,360 and baffled and even angry that you want 8559 05:42:06,480 --> 05:42:11,520 to keep flockers in our city. Normally, 8560 05:42:09,360 --> 05:42:13,440 I wouldn't say this. However, please 8561 05:42:11,520 --> 05:42:15,840 follow the Santa's example and take them 8562 05:42:13,440 --> 05:42:19,920 down. 8563 05:42:15,840 --> 05:42:22,346 The next speaker, please Thomas Spears, 8564 05:42:19,920 --> 05:42:24,366 followed by Brandon McIntyre. 8565 05:42:22,346 --> 05:42:24,366 [snorts] 8566 05:42:27,200 --> 05:42:32,000 name address for the record, please. Uh 8567 05:42:29,040 --> 05:42:33,040 » Thomas Spears in 32303. 8568 05:42:32,000 --> 05:42:34,958 It's very interesting that the 8569 05:42:33,040 --> 05:42:37,040 conservative majority of the board are 8570 05:42:34,958 --> 05:42:39,200 suddenly supporting suspending the flock 8571 05:42:37,040 --> 05:42:41,600 cameras. They mention the actions of 8572 05:42:39,200 --> 05:42:44,240 community partners. Why is the city 8573 05:42:41,600 --> 05:42:45,920 commission following and not leading? 8574 05:42:44,240 --> 05:42:48,958 And why is that the city is only moving 8575 05:42:45,920 --> 05:42:50,638 after those community partners move? The 8576 05:42:48,958 --> 05:42:54,878 community was out here at the last 8577 05:42:50,638 --> 05:42:57,200 meeting. Why not listen to us? 8578 05:42:54,878 --> 05:42:58,798 This issue was brought to a vote already 8579 05:42:57,200 --> 05:43:01,680 and it was declined by the conservative 8580 05:42:58,798 --> 05:43:03,920 majority 3 to2. I'm thinking a lot about 8581 05:43:01,680 --> 05:43:05,760 a lot about 3 to2 votes. Selling the 8582 05:43:03,920 --> 05:43:07,360 golf course with unmarked graves of 8583 05:43:05,760 --> 05:43:10,480 enslaved black people on it and selling 8584 05:43:07,360 --> 05:43:12,000 it for a song was done 3 to2. Selling 8585 05:43:10,480 --> 05:43:14,320 the city's hospital without a full 8586 05:43:12,000 --> 05:43:17,920 appraisal to the school with a billion 8587 05:43:14,320 --> 05:43:19,680 dollar endor endowment done 3 to2. 8588 05:43:17,920 --> 05:43:21,280 dozens of other votes, all done at the 8589 05:43:19,680 --> 05:43:23,120 behest of the conservative majority of 8590 05:43:21,280 --> 05:43:24,558 this commission, three to two, and that 8591 05:43:23,120 --> 05:43:26,320 includes to stay on the contract with 8592 05:43:24,558 --> 05:43:27,520 Flock, to continue to expand 8593 05:43:26,320 --> 05:43:29,280 surveillance of all people of 8594 05:43:27,520 --> 05:43:30,558 Tallahassee, despite the significant 8595 05:43:29,280 --> 05:43:32,480 issues that that kind of surveillance 8596 05:43:30,558 --> 05:43:34,160 has in general, despite the dozens of 8597 05:43:32,480 --> 05:43:35,680 reports of police around the country 8598 05:43:34,160 --> 05:43:37,760 abusing these systems to track their 8599 05:43:35,680 --> 05:43:40,000 ex-girlfriends and ex-wives, and despite 8600 05:43:37,760 --> 05:43:42,718 the ACLU saying that these surveillance 8601 05:43:40,000 --> 05:43:44,638 programs do violate our constitutional 8602 05:43:42,718 --> 05:43:46,320 right to privacy. 8603 05:43:44,638 --> 05:43:49,680 The mayor keeps saying he doesn't want 8604 05:43:46,320 --> 05:43:51,520 things in the dis to be political. 8605 05:43:49,680 --> 05:43:53,440 When he or the conservative majority 8606 05:43:51,520 --> 05:43:55,280 votes, whether it's on this board or as 8607 05:43:53,440 --> 05:43:56,798 members of blueprint, not to support 8608 05:43:55,280 --> 05:43:58,320 affordable housing, is that not 8609 05:43:56,798 --> 05:44:00,638 political? 8610 05:43:58,320 --> 05:44:02,558 When poverty is a poverty a policy 8611 05:44:00,638 --> 05:44:04,320 choice and poverty is the source of 8612 05:44:02,558 --> 05:44:06,000 crime, why does the mayor and the 8613 05:44:04,320 --> 05:44:08,480 conservative majority support flot 8614 05:44:06,000 --> 05:44:10,798 cameras to empower the badge and the gun 8615 05:44:08,480 --> 05:44:12,160 over supporting the people? 8616 05:44:10,798 --> 05:44:13,680 The truth of the matter is his 8617 05:44:12,160 --> 05:44:15,520 statements of not wanting things to be 8618 05:44:13,680 --> 05:44:18,000 political are a plain, insultingly 8619 05:44:15,520 --> 05:44:19,760 obvious farce. This is the city 8620 05:44:18,000 --> 05:44:21,280 commission, your five elected officials. 8621 05:44:19,760 --> 05:44:23,760 Of course, it's political. It can't be 8622 05:44:21,280 --> 05:44:25,280 anything else. The Tallahassee Alliance 8623 05:44:23,760 --> 05:44:27,040 against racist and political repression 8624 05:44:25,280 --> 05:44:29,040 stands with the people of Tallahassee 8625 05:44:27,040 --> 05:44:30,480 against these flock cameras and demands 8626 05:44:29,040 --> 05:44:31,440 that these surveillance systems be under 8627 05:44:30,480 --> 05:44:34,000 the control of the people of 8628 05:44:31,440 --> 05:44:35,600 Tallahassee, not just the police. We 8629 05:44:34,000 --> 05:44:37,280 demand that all flot cameras be removed 8630 05:44:35,600 --> 05:44:39,360 from the city. We demand that every 8631 05:44:37,280 --> 05:44:41,280 instance of any department pulling in 8632 05:44:39,360 --> 05:44:43,600 from a camera in Tallahassee be listed 8633 05:44:41,280 --> 05:44:45,760 in a public database accessible without 8634 05:44:43,600 --> 05:44:48,160 an explicit pull request. And we demand 8635 05:44:45,760 --> 05:44:50,638 that when TPD misuses this system, they 8636 05:44:48,160 --> 05:44:53,652 are held accountable by us, the people. 8637 05:44:50,638 --> 05:44:54,480 All power to the people. 8638 05:44:53,652 --> 05:44:55,840 [applause] 8639 05:44:54,480 --> 05:44:59,680 » Our next speaker, please, 8640 05:44:55,840 --> 05:45:02,680 » Brandon McIntyre. And then uh Yuri 8641 05:44:59,680 --> 05:45:02,680 Gutshaw 8642 05:45:02,878 --> 05:45:07,280 Box 511 Sneeze, Florida. My name is 8643 05:45:05,120 --> 05:45:09,200 Brandon McIntyre. All right. Now, what 8644 05:45:07,280 --> 05:45:10,558 now? Where do I need to start? Now, 8645 05:45:09,200 --> 05:45:14,400 first and foremost, this is what I would 8646 05:45:10,558 --> 05:45:17,440 like to say. The God that I serve is not 8647 05:45:14,400 --> 05:45:20,240 Muslim. God that I serve is not a 8648 05:45:17,440 --> 05:45:22,480 Christian. The God that I serve is not 8649 05:45:20,240 --> 05:45:26,080 part of no denomination. 8650 05:45:22,480 --> 05:45:29,120 He is love. He is unity. He's every 8651 05:45:26,080 --> 05:45:31,440 fruit of every spirit. Okay? So, where 8652 05:45:29,120 --> 05:45:33,040 we get division from? [snorts] why we've 8653 05:45:31,440 --> 05:45:35,760 been so divided and want to watch one 8654 05:45:33,040 --> 05:45:37,520 another when we're all full of sin 8655 05:45:35,760 --> 05:45:39,440 guilt. 8656 05:45:37,520 --> 05:45:42,320 So what I also want to say is this right 8657 05:45:39,440 --> 05:45:43,680 here as your future governor for Florida 8658 05:45:42,320 --> 05:45:46,000 when Brandon brought attention to these 8659 05:45:43,680 --> 05:45:48,000 flock cameras when global worldwide 8660 05:45:46,000 --> 05:45:49,920 known cuz I use it as my platform. I 8661 05:45:48,000 --> 05:45:52,240 served you guys a constitutional notice 8662 05:45:49,920 --> 05:45:54,080 about these actual things. You don't 8663 05:45:52,240 --> 05:45:56,240 believe it? Go back and public record 8664 05:45:54,080 --> 05:45:58,160 requested. So what I'm telling you all 8665 05:45:56,240 --> 05:46:00,160 is this right here, right? for all the 8666 05:45:58,160 --> 05:46:02,558 police officers. Y'all may say we don't 8667 05:46:00,160 --> 05:46:04,958 have no crime yet in here. Have you been 8668 05:46:02,558 --> 05:46:06,400 using the flock cameras? But once my 8669 05:46:04,958 --> 05:46:08,080 team come here to the panhandle, we 8670 05:46:06,400 --> 05:46:09,280 already been in Georgia. Once we come to 8671 05:46:08,080 --> 05:46:12,480 the panhandle, there's a lot going to 8672 05:46:09,280 --> 05:46:14,160 happen. Okay? If you haven't checked 8673 05:46:12,480 --> 05:46:16,320 your tags yet, go to have I been 8674 05:46:14,160 --> 05:46:18,400 flocked.com. They'll give you public 8675 05:46:16,320 --> 05:46:20,240 records request as well. But listen, but 8676 05:46:18,400 --> 05:46:22,638 they say it's a third party site. It's 8677 05:46:20,240 --> 05:46:24,000 not accurate. That is wrong. This this 8678 05:46:22,638 --> 05:46:25,840 is what I'm here to say because most of 8679 05:46:24,000 --> 05:46:28,160 you officers 8680 05:46:25,840 --> 05:46:29,360 want to go back and red redact the 8681 05:46:28,160 --> 05:46:31,440 information and try to change your 8682 05:46:29,360 --> 05:46:34,240 purpose of your investigation. It's not 8683 05:46:31,440 --> 05:46:36,798 going to work. It's not going to work 8684 05:46:34,240 --> 05:46:38,718 because the system has a mechanism that 8685 05:46:36,798 --> 05:46:41,520 actually 8686 05:46:38,718 --> 05:46:43,520 tracks the people and also put in the 8687 05:46:41,520 --> 05:46:45,760 system where the officer put in a 8688 05:46:43,520 --> 05:46:47,840 certain investigation, it automatically 8689 05:46:45,760 --> 05:46:49,280 saves it. So if they go back and try to 8690 05:46:47,840 --> 05:46:52,080 redact the information, guess what 8691 05:46:49,280 --> 05:46:53,760 happens? It also saves that as well. So 8692 05:46:52,080 --> 05:46:55,920 covering your tracks is not going to 8693 05:46:53,760 --> 05:46:57,360 help you. Covering your ass, excuse my 8694 05:46:55,920 --> 05:46:59,280 French, it's not going to help you 8695 05:46:57,360 --> 05:47:02,320 because I've been tracked is for doing 8696 05:46:59,280 --> 05:47:04,160 the right thing two plus years for no 8697 05:47:02,320 --> 05:47:05,520 reason. Said because I ran for president 8698 05:47:04,160 --> 05:47:07,280 of the United States, that's why you 8699 05:47:05,520 --> 05:47:08,400 want to track me and investigate me. 8700 05:47:07,280 --> 05:47:10,000 Well, guess what? We come to the 8701 05:47:08,400 --> 05:47:12,080 panhandle and a lot of you going to go 8702 05:47:10,000 --> 05:47:13,200 to jail. Not saying you guys, but 8703 05:47:12,080 --> 05:47:16,080 listen, I'm going tell you something too 8704 05:47:13,200 --> 05:47:18,638 as well. A lot of you sign uh NDAs, 8705 05:47:16,080 --> 05:47:21,280 non-disclosurable agreements. 8706 05:47:18,638 --> 05:47:23,440 That's going to hit the fan, too. our 8707 05:47:21,280 --> 05:47:26,718 executive branch that allowed you guys 8708 05:47:23,440 --> 05:47:28,878 to come in with this unlawful policy. It 8709 05:47:26,718 --> 05:47:30,480 was unconstitutional. But we have a 8710 05:47:28,878 --> 05:47:33,200 governor, right, that want to get rid of 8711 05:47:30,480 --> 05:47:36,400 it. But I thought he was a lawyer. This 8712 05:47:33,200 --> 05:47:37,920 isn't go past his desk. He signed off on 8713 05:47:36,400 --> 05:47:40,798 it, too. 8714 05:47:37,920 --> 05:47:42,798 » He know what's right to do for the 8715 05:47:40,798 --> 05:47:45,440 better good of Florida. You think so? 8716 05:47:42,798 --> 05:47:48,638 Guess what? He knew his time is coming 8717 05:47:45,440 --> 05:47:51,280 to an end as well. Okay. So, guess what? 8718 05:47:48,638 --> 05:47:53,840 A lot of people going to go to jail 8719 05:47:51,280 --> 05:47:55,200 behind these flocks. Let's go Brandon on 8720 05:47:53,840 --> 05:47:57,840 the ground. Fight for you guys. Thank 8721 05:47:55,200 --> 05:48:00,000 you. 8722 05:47:57,840 --> 05:48:01,040 » Y gotch. And this is the last speaker I 8723 05:48:00,000 --> 05:48:04,958 have at this time. 8724 05:48:01,040 --> 05:48:07,680 » Uh hello Gotchuk. Uh 3231 01 8725 05:48:04,958 --> 05:48:10,160 Tallahassee, Florida. Uh I am not going 8726 05:48:07,680 --> 05:48:12,160 to seek to try and enumerate all of the 8727 05:48:10,160 --> 05:48:14,320 issues that have been laid out before 8728 05:48:12,160 --> 05:48:16,320 me. What I am going to ask you guys to 8729 05:48:14,320 --> 05:48:20,240 do is to take action because as it has 8730 05:48:16,320 --> 05:48:23,040 been pointed out previously a suspension 8731 05:48:20,240 --> 05:48:24,558 is not covering these and furthermore 8732 05:48:23,040 --> 05:48:27,280 when it comes to Flock as well as the 8733 05:48:24,558 --> 05:48:29,200 Motorola these are not the only cameras 8734 05:48:27,280 --> 05:48:31,040 that are gathering data. This is my 8735 05:48:29,200 --> 05:48:33,200 issue. My issue is that it's not just 8736 05:48:31,040 --> 05:48:35,280 gathering data it's gathering data and 8737 05:48:33,200 --> 05:48:36,878 then being put in the hands of private 8738 05:48:35,280 --> 05:48:39,920 companies. And what I'm asking for you 8739 05:48:36,878 --> 05:48:41,920 as my city commission is for you to not 8740 05:48:39,920 --> 05:48:43,920 only monitor the the contracts with 8741 05:48:41,920 --> 05:48:46,638 Flock as well as whatever the Motorola 8742 05:48:43,920 --> 05:48:48,558 company is, but also look at the body 8743 05:48:46,638 --> 05:48:49,920 cam footage. That's a service. My 8744 05:48:48,558 --> 05:48:51,440 question to you all, and I don't know 8745 05:48:49,920 --> 05:48:54,798 the answer, this is probably a question 8746 05:48:51,440 --> 05:48:57,040 to our to our attorney, is 8747 05:48:54,798 --> 05:48:59,360 when we pay for a service from that, is 8748 05:48:57,040 --> 05:49:03,520 there something that prevents as well as 8749 05:48:59,360 --> 05:49:05,760 any other cameras any third-party non 8750 05:49:03,520 --> 05:49:08,160 non uh regulated 8751 05:49:05,760 --> 05:49:10,638 age of private entities from using that 8752 05:49:08,160 --> 05:49:12,080 information, that data. I don't know. I 8753 05:49:10,638 --> 05:49:14,878 don't I think that that is something 8754 05:49:12,080 --> 05:49:16,638 that the city commission should take up. 8755 05:49:14,878 --> 05:49:19,680 And that is, I think, the utmost 8756 05:49:16,638 --> 05:49:23,280 importance for me as a citizen. The idea 8757 05:49:19,680 --> 05:49:26,400 that we need to have rights to the data 8758 05:49:23,280 --> 05:49:31,840 that is collected on us and that those 8759 05:49:26,400 --> 05:49:34,240 that data is also limited and restricted 8760 05:49:31,840 --> 05:49:36,080 by the same laws that our law 8761 05:49:34,240 --> 05:49:38,000 enforcement are required to follow when 8762 05:49:36,080 --> 05:49:41,120 they serve a search and seizure on 8763 05:49:38,000 --> 05:49:44,480 private property. I the the reality is 8764 05:49:41,120 --> 05:49:46,480 that like I I I you know I give an 8765 05:49:44,480 --> 05:49:49,040 address. I used to live at what was 8766 05:49:46,480 --> 05:49:52,080 formerly 909 Central Street. uh for 8767 05:49:49,040 --> 05:49:53,840 several years. While I was there, a new 8768 05:49:52,080 --> 05:49:55,920 a new a new tenant moved in next door 8769 05:49:53,840 --> 05:49:57,600 and they were selling drugs. I know this 8770 05:49:55,920 --> 05:49:59,840 because they would try to sell drugs to 8771 05:49:57,600 --> 05:50:01,520 people who were coming to visit me. That 8772 05:49:59,840 --> 05:50:02,878 was reported by my landlord at multiple 8773 05:50:01,520 --> 05:50:05,600 times. It got to the point where they 8774 05:50:02,878 --> 05:50:07,200 had their power turned off and we they 8775 05:50:05,600 --> 05:50:09,600 my landlord called the cops or called 8776 05:50:07,200 --> 05:50:10,878 the TPD on that. As a result, they went 8777 05:50:09,600 --> 05:50:13,200 over and they said, "Yeah, they're 8778 05:50:10,878 --> 05:50:14,718 running a generator. We know it's loud. 8779 05:50:13,200 --> 05:50:17,600 You got to call the code enforcement." 8780 05:50:14,718 --> 05:50:20,638 And a week later, the place burned down. 8781 05:50:17,600 --> 05:50:23,040 You know who was there in five minutes? 8782 05:50:20,638 --> 05:50:25,600 The fire service. 8783 05:50:23,040 --> 05:50:28,080 And and ultimately, I personally I feel 8784 05:50:25,600 --> 05:50:30,400 like there was a missed opportunity that 8785 05:50:28,080 --> 05:50:32,080 it doesn't see like putting cameras were 8786 05:50:30,400 --> 05:50:33,760 going to do that because ultimately that 8787 05:50:32,080 --> 05:50:35,760 house was raided during that time. It 8788 05:50:33,760 --> 05:50:36,320 was done by the sheriff's department. 8789 05:50:35,760 --> 05:50:37,680 » They arrested 8790 05:50:36,320 --> 05:50:41,600 » 30 seconds remaining. 8791 05:50:37,680 --> 05:50:43,920 » And during that time I it seems like the 8792 05:50:41,600 --> 05:50:45,440 adage came true of if you want to call 8793 05:50:43,920 --> 05:50:47,920 response, call the sheriff's department, 8794 05:50:45,440 --> 05:50:50,400 not TPD. that ultimately that the the 8795 05:50:47,920 --> 05:50:52,000 the the the signs were put out, people 8796 05:50:50,400 --> 05:50:53,520 were warned, they were said, "Hey, 8797 05:50:52,000 --> 05:50:56,638 there's some bad stuff going on here." 8798 05:50:53,520 --> 05:50:58,160 It was very clear. And ultimately when 8799 05:50:56,638 --> 05:51:00,480 there were police, there's such bad 8800 05:50:58,160 --> 05:51:01,840 relations that the people in the 8801 05:51:00,480 --> 05:51:03,280 neighborhood started yelling and 8802 05:51:01,840 --> 05:51:06,240 screaming at the cops and there was 8803 05:51:03,280 --> 05:51:08,000 conflict just by passers by and TPD 8804 05:51:06,240 --> 05:51:09,840 needs to work on fixing that opposed to 8805 05:51:08,000 --> 05:51:10,638 erecting new cameras to watch people. 8806 05:51:09,840 --> 05:51:12,320 Thank you. 8807 05:51:10,638 --> 05:51:14,000 » Our next speaker, please. 8808 05:51:12,320 --> 05:51:14,480 » I have no other speakers on this item. 8809 05:51:14,000 --> 05:51:16,798 Mayor. 8810 05:51:14,480 --> 05:51:19,280 » All right. Commissioner Williams Cox. 8811 05:51:16,798 --> 05:51:21,040 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you all 8812 05:51:19,280 --> 05:51:23,600 for your for your conversation. As I 8813 05:51:21,040 --> 05:51:25,680 said earlier, I've done a lot of um 8814 05:51:23,600 --> 05:51:27,280 research and homework as well. And so, 8815 05:51:25,680 --> 05:51:29,600 at this point, I am ready to move 8816 05:51:27,280 --> 05:51:33,200 forward with making the motion that we 8817 05:51:29,600 --> 05:51:36,558 suspend um the use of Flock and Motorola 8818 05:51:33,200 --> 05:51:38,718 cameras um in the city of Tallahassee to 8819 05:51:36,558 --> 05:51:41,120 follow suit with um what our our 8820 05:51:38,718 --> 05:51:43,200 partner, the sheriff, is is already 8821 05:51:41,120 --> 05:51:45,120 doing. And at the last meeting, I 8822 05:51:43,200 --> 05:51:48,000 mentioned that I didn't like the hodge 8823 05:51:45,120 --> 05:51:49,440 podge of us um some doing this and some 8824 05:51:48,000 --> 05:51:52,080 doing that, but to provide some 8825 05:51:49,440 --> 05:51:56,080 consistency and what we're doing that we 8826 05:51:52,080 --> 05:51:58,240 u move to suspend um the use of uh flock 8827 05:51:56,080 --> 05:52:00,240 cameras as well as Motorola cameras. 8828 05:51:58,240 --> 05:52:02,320 » I would second that motion, Mayor. 8829 05:52:00,240 --> 05:52:04,160 » All right. Motion in a second. Motion 8830 05:52:02,320 --> 05:52:07,200 made by Commissioner Williams, seconded 8831 05:52:04,160 --> 05:52:10,200 by uh the mayor, Pro Tim. Further 8832 05:52:07,200 --> 05:52:10,200 comment, 8833 05:52:10,480 --> 05:52:14,480 Mr. Maloo. 8834 05:52:11,360 --> 05:52:16,558 » Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, I also 8835 05:52:14,480 --> 05:52:21,120 drove to St. George Island this weekend 8836 05:52:16,558 --> 05:52:23,680 and probably passed 25 bagged cameras. 8837 05:52:21,120 --> 05:52:26,718 Um, it was great to see them bagged, but 8838 05:52:23,680 --> 05:52:28,878 it was insane to see how many were in my 8839 05:52:26,718 --> 05:52:31,280 drive between Tallahassee through a very 8840 05:52:28,878 --> 05:52:32,718 rural community. I mean, you talk about 8841 05:52:31,280 --> 05:52:36,320 mass surveillance. This is mass 8842 05:52:32,718 --> 05:52:38,320 surveillance. Uh, I do want to, you 8843 05:52:36,320 --> 05:52:40,558 know, we just took this item up two 8844 05:52:38,320 --> 05:52:42,638 weeks ago. uh we didn't have the votes 8845 05:52:40,558 --> 05:52:45,200 to get it passed. Sometimes leadership 8846 05:52:42,638 --> 05:52:47,360 is going first. We brought this item up 8847 05:52:45,200 --> 05:52:50,160 last December. Have been discussing it 8848 05:52:47,360 --> 05:52:51,920 um as a a city uh commission, but I just 8849 05:52:50,160 --> 05:52:53,920 to everybody who came out and spoke 8850 05:52:51,920 --> 05:52:56,798 today who's been advocating on this 8851 05:52:53,920 --> 05:52:59,360 issue, this decision is only changing 8852 05:52:56,798 --> 05:53:01,520 because of you. Uh if you weren't 8853 05:52:59,360 --> 05:53:03,520 advocating for this, you would not see a 8854 05:53:01,520 --> 05:53:05,040 change on this commission today. And I 8855 05:53:03,520 --> 05:53:08,320 know the majority of this commission 8856 05:53:05,040 --> 05:53:11,760 tends to uh reject what the public is 8857 05:53:08,320 --> 05:53:14,878 asking for time after time again, but 8858 05:53:11,760 --> 05:53:16,798 you showed that the power of advocacy uh 8859 05:53:14,878 --> 05:53:18,878 still works and if you continue to show 8860 05:53:16,798 --> 05:53:21,120 up, you can see real change uh for your 8861 05:53:18,878 --> 05:53:24,638 impacts. So, thank you. Thank you for 8862 05:53:21,120 --> 05:53:27,440 that. I do have a couple questions or a 8863 05:53:24,638 --> 05:53:32,320 question, Mr. Manager. the the budget 8864 05:53:27,440 --> 05:53:34,400 today allocated $150,000 for ALPRS and 8865 05:53:32,320 --> 05:53:38,320 the capital improvement plan. How will 8866 05:53:34,400 --> 05:53:41,638 this decision impact that allocation? 8867 05:53:38,320 --> 05:53:41,638 » Mr. Manager, 8868 05:53:41,840 --> 05:53:47,120 » I'm not sure that level of detail, but 8869 05:53:44,160 --> 05:53:49,920 um we clearly would not be spending 8870 05:53:47,120 --> 05:53:51,440 additional money on ALPRs. 8871 05:53:49,920 --> 05:53:54,638 It's entirely possible we could 8872 05:53:51,440 --> 05:53:57,040 reprogram that for other technology, 8873 05:53:54,638 --> 05:53:59,600 but if the commission moves forward with 8874 05:53:57,040 --> 05:54:03,360 the decision that seems to be at hand, 8875 05:53:59,600 --> 05:54:04,080 we would not spend money on ALPRs. 8876 05:54:03,360 --> 05:54:05,040 » Okay. Thank you, 8877 05:54:04,080 --> 05:54:07,520 » Mr. Mat. 8878 05:54:05,040 --> 05:54:09,120 » Thank you. And is it still the city's 8879 05:54:07,520 --> 05:54:12,520 position and the chief's position that 8880 05:54:09,120 --> 05:54:12,520 they should remain? 8881 05:54:12,718 --> 05:54:19,120 » Mr. Mayor, 8882 05:54:15,440 --> 05:54:20,958 » I I think the TPD has has been very 8883 05:54:19,120 --> 05:54:22,480 clear in terms of the value of the 8884 05:54:20,958 --> 05:54:24,558 information, 8885 05:54:22,480 --> 05:54:26,638 but at the same time, you heard the 8886 05:54:24,558 --> 05:54:29,360 words from the chief 8887 05:54:26,638 --> 05:54:32,320 last meeting and there was a request for 8888 05:54:29,360 --> 05:54:33,680 this to come back that so there was 8889 05:54:32,320 --> 05:54:35,440 quite a bit of effort put into the 8890 05:54:33,680 --> 05:54:37,440 agenda item and you see no 8891 05:54:35,440 --> 05:54:41,200 recommendation. We're seeking commission 8892 05:54:37,440 --> 05:54:44,638 direction. TPD and myself and others, we 8893 05:54:41,200 --> 05:54:47,440 believe this to be a policy issue. 8894 05:54:44,638 --> 05:54:50,080 This update on LPRs and cameras and 8895 05:54:47,440 --> 05:54:53,680 other technology has been provided over 8896 05:54:50,080 --> 05:54:57,440 the years a dozen times. There's been 8897 05:54:53,680 --> 05:55:00,000 investment added and and so TBD and law 8898 05:54:57,440 --> 05:55:03,200 enforcement does believe in technology, 8899 05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:06,240 but we believe this this rises to the 8900 05:55:03,200 --> 05:55:07,920 level of public policy which is provided 8901 05:55:06,240 --> 05:55:09,440 by the commission. So, you don't see a 8902 05:55:07,920 --> 05:55:11,600 recommendation 8903 05:55:09,440 --> 05:55:13,280 um other than seeking the direction of 8904 05:55:11,600 --> 05:55:14,080 the commission? 8905 05:55:13,280 --> 05:55:15,760 » Commissioner Metlo. 8906 05:55:14,080 --> 05:55:17,120 » Uh thank you, Mr. Manager. I I know 8907 05:55:15,760 --> 05:55:19,040 there was a lot of discussion at the 8908 05:55:17,120 --> 05:55:21,760 last meeting about the right to privacy 8909 05:55:19,040 --> 05:55:24,320 in public, but we really didn't uh ever 8910 05:55:21,760 --> 05:55:26,400 really get to get into the issue of this 8911 05:55:24,320 --> 05:55:28,080 being completely different. It doesn't 8912 05:55:26,400 --> 05:55:30,240 give you the right to go back in time 8913 05:55:28,080 --> 05:55:32,000 and trace the whereabouts of somebody uh 8914 05:55:30,240 --> 05:55:34,480 for the past 30 days. That has nothing 8915 05:55:32,000 --> 05:55:36,718 to do with what's clearly visible uh in 8916 05:55:34,480 --> 05:55:38,160 in public. But going forward, I've heard 8917 05:55:36,718 --> 05:55:40,400 the speaker's concerns. I've heard the 8918 05:55:38,160 --> 05:55:41,440 motion. And I do think whether you can 8919 05:55:40,400 --> 05:55:44,080 let me know if these are friendly 8920 05:55:41,440 --> 05:55:45,520 amendments or um a substitute motion is 8921 05:55:44,080 --> 05:55:47,200 required. But I think we need to be 8922 05:55:45,520 --> 05:55:49,760 aggressive about this. I think that 8923 05:55:47,200 --> 05:55:52,590 means black trash bags covering them by 8924 05:55:49,760 --> 05:55:54,610 tomorrow within 24 hours. 8925 05:55:52,590 --> 05:55:54,610 [applause] 8926 05:55:56,480 --> 05:56:00,000 I think that means issuing the directive 8927 05:55:58,160 --> 05:56:02,558 to move them from all city rightaways 8928 05:56:00,000 --> 05:56:04,878 within 30 days as consistent with uh the 8929 05:56:02,558 --> 05:56:06,320 governor's orders on state rightaways or 8930 05:56:04,878 --> 05:56:08,878 the city will remove them if they're not 8931 05:56:06,320 --> 05:56:11,840 removed by the owner within 30 days. And 8932 05:56:08,878 --> 05:56:14,240 I think we need a policy to come back to 8933 05:56:11,840 --> 05:56:17,200 the city commission that requires 8934 05:56:14,240 --> 05:56:19,920 explicit city commission approval on any 8935 05:56:17,200 --> 05:56:24,718 future uh surveillance technology moving 8936 05:56:19,920 --> 05:56:26,718 forward. [applause] Is 8937 05:56:24,718 --> 05:56:28,558 » That a friendly amendment uh 8938 05:56:26,718 --> 05:56:30,638 Commissioner Williams Cox that we can 8939 05:56:28,558 --> 05:56:32,798 support or do you want to have a 8940 05:56:30,638 --> 05:56:34,718 separate uh substitute motion? 8941 05:56:32,798 --> 05:56:37,760 » Um 8942 05:56:34,718 --> 05:56:40,240 I for one am not in favor of riding 8943 05:56:37,760 --> 05:56:43,200 around town seeing black bags all over 8944 05:56:40,240 --> 05:56:43,680 the this city of Tallahassee. 8945 05:56:43,200 --> 05:56:46,638 » When 8946 05:56:43,680 --> 05:56:48,718 » Excuse us. Hey everybody, calm down. 8947 05:56:46,638 --> 05:56:50,798 Just please. All right. I mean that 8948 05:56:48,718 --> 05:56:53,760 that's just that's that's just where I 8949 05:56:50,798 --> 05:56:56,080 am what I believe now knowing how 8950 05:56:53,760 --> 05:56:57,840 technology works. When we say suspend 8951 05:56:56,080 --> 05:56:59,520 that means it is turned off. It's not 8952 05:56:57,840 --> 05:57:03,240 transmitting. It's not doing any of 8953 05:56:59,520 --> 05:57:03,240 that. Um 8954 05:57:04,400 --> 05:57:07,600 this is the second warning before I 8955 05:57:06,000 --> 05:57:09,520 clear chambers for the rest of the 8956 05:57:07,600 --> 05:57:10,480 evening. Okay. 8957 05:57:09,520 --> 05:57:13,840 » Thank you. 8958 05:57:10,480 --> 05:57:15,440 » So um is it's the why don't we why don't 8959 05:57:13,840 --> 05:57:17,040 we do this? Why don't we react on the 8960 05:57:15,440 --> 05:57:19,360 motion that I I have on the table and 8961 05:57:17,040 --> 05:57:21,760 then if Commissioner Matlo wants to do a 8962 05:57:19,360 --> 05:57:23,600 separate motion and he can do that 8963 05:57:21,760 --> 05:57:25,680 » But he will be making a substitute 8964 05:57:23,600 --> 05:57:27,920 motion that will be taken up first 8965 05:57:25,680 --> 05:57:30,798 » And then if it fails then we will take 8966 05:57:27,920 --> 05:57:33,200 up uh the original motion on the table. 8967 05:57:30,798 --> 05:57:34,798 » Um okay so you do not want to accept it 8968 05:57:33,200 --> 05:57:37,520 as a friendly amendment. 8969 05:57:34,798 --> 05:57:39,360 » Okay. So Commissioner Matlo back to you. 8970 05:57:37,520 --> 05:57:41,840 » Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. Uh, I make a 8971 05:57:39,360 --> 05:57:45,520 substitute motion uh that we bag the 8972 05:57:41,840 --> 05:57:47,600 cameras uh in the city within 24 hours. 8973 05:57:45,520 --> 05:57:49,680 Uh, give 30 days for them to be removed 8974 05:57:47,600 --> 05:57:51,520 or have the city remove them and bring 8975 05:57:49,680 --> 05:57:54,400 back a city commission policy at the 8976 05:57:51,520 --> 05:57:56,558 September 23rd meeting uh that requires 8977 05:57:54,400 --> 05:57:59,120 explicit uh city commission approval for 8978 05:57:56,558 --> 05:58:02,000 any new surveillance technology. 8979 05:57:59,120 --> 05:58:03,680 » I'll second that. I have two questions. 8980 05:58:02,000 --> 05:58:04,718 » Motion and a second. Commissioner 8981 05:58:03,680 --> 05:58:07,280 Porter, 8982 05:58:04,718 --> 05:58:09,360 » Thank you. And I'm not sure exactly who 8983 05:58:07,280 --> 05:58:11,200 this question is for, but I think uh 8984 05:58:09,360 --> 05:58:13,520 Commissioner Williams Cox for the 8985 05:58:11,200 --> 05:58:15,760 original motion. 8986 05:58:13,520 --> 05:58:18,958 I want to make sure that I understand. 8987 05:58:15,760 --> 05:58:20,160 So, is it all ALPR 8988 05:58:18,958 --> 05:58:21,600 cameras 8989 05:58:20,160 --> 05:58:24,558 » Lock and Motorola? 8990 05:58:21,600 --> 05:58:26,958 » Does that encompass all the 8991 05:58:24,558 --> 05:58:29,280 ALPR cameras that we have? 8992 05:58:26,958 --> 05:58:31,520 » That that's the entirety. There's 8993 05:58:29,280 --> 05:58:35,360 there's 150ish 8994 05:58:31,520 --> 05:58:38,558 a little over 150 fixed ALPR cameras 8995 05:58:35,360 --> 05:58:38,958 made up of Flock and a Motorola brand. 8996 05:58:38,558 --> 05:58:40,878 » Okay. 8997 05:58:38,958 --> 05:58:42,878 » And they look different, different form 8998 05:58:40,878 --> 05:58:45,440 factors. They all don't look the same, 8999 05:58:42,878 --> 05:58:47,680 but that would be the entirety. 9000 05:58:45,440 --> 05:58:50,160 » Okay. I I would ask if you would accept 9001 05:58:47,680 --> 05:58:52,240 the friendly amendment to extend it to 9002 05:58:50,160 --> 05:58:54,638 all ALPR cameras because I think that 9003 05:58:52,240 --> 05:58:56,240 what we don't want is to just not that 9004 05:58:54,638 --> 05:58:57,600 I'm assuming this would happen, but I 9005 05:58:56,240 --> 05:58:59,040 think everyone would like the 9006 05:58:57,600 --> 05:59:01,200 reassurance that we're not going to just 9007 05:58:59,040 --> 05:59:04,760 sign a contract with another company 9008 05:59:01,200 --> 05:59:04,760 with another provider. 9009 05:59:06,718 --> 05:59:12,400 My question is, will the original 9010 05:59:09,680 --> 05:59:16,000 amendment can it be amended to just say 9011 05:59:12,400 --> 05:59:17,840 that we are suspending all ALPR cameras? 9012 05:59:16,000 --> 05:59:19,360 » But we're on a substitute motion right 9013 05:59:17,840 --> 05:59:21,520 now, not the original motion. 9014 05:59:19,360 --> 05:59:23,680 » I understand that. I was just want to 9015 05:59:21,520 --> 05:59:25,440 make sure that both he Commissioner 9016 05:59:23,680 --> 05:59:25,840 Matlo did not speak to that. 9017 05:59:25,440 --> 05:59:27,200 » Got it. 9018 05:59:25,840 --> 05:59:29,280 » So I want to make sure what's included 9019 05:59:27,200 --> 05:59:31,200 both in his motion and in the original 9020 05:59:29,280 --> 05:59:34,400 motion. Got it. 9021 05:59:31,200 --> 05:59:37,200 » Yes. My motion encompasses all LPRs. 9022 05:59:34,400 --> 05:59:38,878 Thank you. Um, and then I also wanted to 9023 05:59:37,200 --> 05:59:42,958 ask the city manager. This commission 9024 05:59:38,878 --> 05:59:45,680 took action on June 10th to 9025 05:59:42,958 --> 05:59:48,160 ask that Amnadam come back um with 9026 05:59:45,680 --> 05:59:51,360 information about the Austin City 9027 05:59:48,160 --> 05:59:53,920 Council Trust Act that they passed that 9028 05:59:51,360 --> 05:59:57,040 had a framework 9029 05:59:53,920 --> 05:59:59,760 um for how to deal with these kinds of 9030 05:59:57,040 --> 06:00:01,920 surveillance tools. Is that item still 9031 05:59:59,760 --> 06:00:04,000 coming back to us? 9032 06:00:01,920 --> 06:00:06,558 Yeah, I believe that topic which has 9033 06:00:04,000 --> 06:00:09,200 been consistent would be a retreat item 9034 06:00:06,558 --> 06:00:11,120 topic. So I would I would expect that 9035 06:00:09,200 --> 06:00:13,120 you can have that item back. 9036 06:00:11,120 --> 06:00:15,440 » Okay. The intent was not that it come 9037 06:00:13,120 --> 06:00:17,040 back to us at a retreat. The intent the 9038 06:00:15,440 --> 06:00:19,440 direction was that it just come back to 9039 06:00:17,040 --> 06:00:22,320 us at a regular meeting. So can it come 9040 06:00:19,440 --> 06:00:23,920 back? I mean do I the motion should the 9041 06:00:22,320 --> 06:00:25,440 » I'll amend my motion to include that 9042 06:00:23,920 --> 06:00:25,760 information at the September 23rd 9043 06:00:25,440 --> 06:00:26,558 meeting. 9044 06:00:25,760 --> 06:00:28,240 » Okay. Okay. That's 9045 06:00:26,558 --> 06:00:29,600 » I just want to make sure that we're not 9046 06:00:28,240 --> 06:00:34,520 » Friendly amendment commission. 9047 06:00:29,600 --> 06:00:34,520 » Okay. Thank you. Atlas's motion. Okay. 9048 06:00:34,558 --> 06:00:36,798 » Mr. Mayor, may I 9049 06:00:36,480 --> 06:00:40,798 » Sure. 9050 06:00:36,798 --> 06:00:43,520 » I just just for clarity, um the the way 9051 06:00:40,798 --> 06:00:46,320 we would immediately disable these is by 9052 06:00:43,520 --> 06:00:48,240 turning the systems off 9053 06:00:46,320 --> 06:00:50,878 and turning the cameras off. So, the 9054 06:00:48,240 --> 06:00:53,120 access to the system, 9055 06:00:50,878 --> 06:00:54,160 access to the data and the cameras, 9056 06:00:53,120 --> 06:00:56,480 » Right? 9057 06:00:54,160 --> 06:00:58,160 » To just just be clear, that's how we do. 9058 06:00:56,480 --> 06:00:59,680 I haven't heard that action. 9059 06:00:58,160 --> 06:01:01,280 Commissioner Williams Cox said that, but 9060 06:00:59,680 --> 06:01:01,920 that's how we would do that very 9061 06:01:01,280 --> 06:01:03,040 rapidly. 9062 06:01:01,920 --> 06:01:04,638 » Sure. 9063 06:01:03,040 --> 06:01:06,320 » I mean, that would be, you know, how we 9064 06:01:04,638 --> 06:01:08,000 would disable that technology so it 9065 06:01:06,320 --> 06:01:08,798 couldn't be accessed by us or anybody 9066 06:01:08,000 --> 06:01:11,520 else. 9067 06:01:08,798 --> 06:01:12,878 » And and is that is that the way the 9068 06:01:11,520 --> 06:01:13,840 sheriff is doing it? 9069 06:01:12,878 --> 06:01:17,120 » Yes. 9070 06:01:13,840 --> 06:01:18,160 » And is that the way that the governor is 9071 06:01:17,120 --> 06:01:18,798 state is doing it? 9072 06:01:18,160 --> 06:01:19,200 » Yes. 9073 06:01:18,798 --> 06:01:20,878 » Okay. 9074 06:01:19,200 --> 06:01:23,040 » Yeah, that's the mo that's the fastest 9075 06:01:20,878 --> 06:01:24,240 way to stop this technology. 9076 06:01:23,040 --> 06:01:25,680 » Sounds good. All right. So, we got a 9077 06:01:24,240 --> 06:01:27,520 substitute motion on the table that 9078 06:01:25,680 --> 06:01:29,680 Commissioner Matlo has made that has 9079 06:01:27,520 --> 06:01:31,280 been amended uh with friendly 9080 06:01:29,680 --> 06:01:33,360 suggestions from Commissioner Porter and 9081 06:01:31,280 --> 06:01:34,878 seconded by Commissioner Porter. Uh I am 9082 06:01:33,360 --> 06:01:36,558 respectfully going to support the 9083 06:01:34,878 --> 06:01:38,878 original motion on the table and not 9084 06:01:36,558 --> 06:01:40,718 support the substitute motion. Uh all 9085 06:01:38,878 --> 06:01:41,120 those in favor signify by saying I. 9086 06:01:40,718 --> 06:01:42,638 » I. 9087 06:01:41,120 --> 06:01:44,400 » All those opposed I. 9088 06:01:42,638 --> 06:01:46,080 » And it fails 32 with the mayor, Mayor 9089 06:01:44,400 --> 06:01:47,680 Pro Tim and Commissioner Williams Cox 9090 06:01:46,080 --> 06:01:49,760 and descent with Commissioner Matlo and 9091 06:01:47,680 --> 06:01:51,440 Commissioner Porter in favor. We are on 9092 06:01:49,760 --> 06:01:53,600 the original motion made by Commissioner 9093 06:01:51,440 --> 06:01:55,200 Williams Cox, seconded by the mayor pro 9094 06:01:53,600 --> 06:01:55,920 Tim. All those in favor signify. Mr. 9095 06:01:55,200 --> 06:01:57,040 Mayor, 9096 06:01:55,920 --> 06:01:58,160 » Uh, Commissioner Matlo. 9097 06:01:57,040 --> 06:02:00,638 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just for 9098 06:01:58,160 --> 06:02:03,360 clarification on the motion, um, 9099 06:02:00,638 --> 06:02:05,680 suspension until which point and who has 9100 06:02:03,360 --> 06:02:07,040 the authority to remove the suspension? 9101 06:02:05,680 --> 06:02:09,200 » I could I could not hear you. 9102 06:02:07,040 --> 06:02:10,958 » A suspension until when? And who has the 9103 06:02:09,200 --> 06:02:12,718 authority to then remove the suspension 9104 06:02:10,958 --> 06:02:14,320 and put them back into play? 9105 06:02:12,718 --> 06:02:16,080 » Sure. It is my understanding that the 9106 06:02:14,320 --> 06:02:18,240 action that is being proposed is the 9107 06:02:16,080 --> 06:02:19,520 exact same action taken by the Leyon 9108 06:02:18,240 --> 06:02:22,320 County Sheriff's Office. Correct. 9109 06:02:19,520 --> 06:02:23,680 Exactly. So the question is, and I don't 9110 06:02:22,320 --> 06:02:26,000 have the answer off the top of my head, 9111 06:02:23,680 --> 06:02:28,798 but it's a suspension in per perpetuity. 9112 06:02:26,000 --> 06:02:30,718 Chief, do you uh can you come and and 9113 06:02:28,798 --> 06:02:32,400 help clarify 9114 06:02:30,718 --> 06:02:35,120 the sheriff's actions so that as a 9115 06:02:32,400 --> 06:02:37,040 community we are moving forward together 9116 06:02:35,120 --> 06:02:40,878 uh with the suspension that he has put 9117 06:02:37,040 --> 06:02:42,160 in place? Um 9118 06:02:40,878 --> 06:02:45,280 » Yes, sir. Thank you, mayor, for the 9119 06:02:42,160 --> 06:02:47,920 opportunity. Um the the suspension that 9120 06:02:45,280 --> 06:02:49,920 the sheriff has done and that that I 9121 06:02:47,920 --> 06:02:52,480 believe is where uh we're getting the 9122 06:02:49,920 --> 06:02:55,680 direction here tonight um would be until 9123 06:02:52,480 --> 06:02:58,400 such time as and and again, if I might 9124 06:02:55,680 --> 06:03:00,080 take a little bit just of extra time, we 9125 06:02:58,400 --> 06:03:02,638 just spent two days with the Florida 9126 06:03:00,080 --> 06:03:05,600 police chiefs um discussing this exact 9127 06:03:02,638 --> 06:03:07,760 issue. And there is a model statement 9128 06:03:05,600 --> 06:03:09,600 coming. There's a model policy coming. 9129 06:03:07,760 --> 06:03:12,000 And that information will be then used 9130 06:03:09,600 --> 06:03:14,958 with the Florida Sheriff's Association 9131 06:03:12,000 --> 06:03:17,840 and our legislators to bring forward 9132 06:03:14,958 --> 06:03:20,480 legislation which will if in fact this 9133 06:03:17,840 --> 06:03:21,600 moves forward direct how that is moved 9134 06:03:20,480 --> 06:03:23,360 forward, how it's used, how it's 9135 06:03:21,600 --> 06:03:25,920 protected, anything if it in fact goes 9136 06:03:23,360 --> 06:03:28,000 forward at all. So what the sheriff has 9137 06:03:25,920 --> 06:03:29,680 done and what what I assume you would be 9138 06:03:28,000 --> 06:03:32,080 in agreement with doing would be to 9139 06:03:29,680 --> 06:03:35,360 suspend this until such time is those 9140 06:03:32,080 --> 06:03:40,160 those legislative efforts and those 9141 06:03:35,360 --> 06:03:41,920 efforts of the FPCA and the FSA um come 9142 06:03:40,160 --> 06:03:43,920 and set that national standard that we 9143 06:03:41,920 --> 06:03:46,400 talked about two weeks ago um that we 9144 06:03:43,920 --> 06:03:49,440 believe we're already very close to but 9145 06:03:46,400 --> 06:03:51,840 it would formalize all that and put it 9146 06:03:49,440 --> 06:03:54,240 in formal policy with IECP International 9147 06:03:51,840 --> 06:03:55,600 Association of Chiefs of Police with the 9148 06:03:54,240 --> 06:03:57,680 Florida Sheriff's Association, Florida 9149 06:03:55,600 --> 06:03:59,520 Police Chief's Association, and create 9150 06:03:57,680 --> 06:04:01,680 that national standard that everybody's 9151 06:03:59,520 --> 06:04:04,878 looking forward to direct if and when 9152 06:04:01,680 --> 06:04:06,638 this this technology can be used. So, 9153 06:04:04,878 --> 06:04:08,718 you would be suspending it until such 9154 06:04:06,638 --> 06:04:10,240 time as those guidelines were in place. 9155 06:04:08,718 --> 06:04:11,600 » Understood. And the difference between 9156 06:04:10,240 --> 06:04:13,360 the sheriff's office and this 9157 06:04:11,600 --> 06:04:14,638 legislative body, sheriff being a 9158 06:04:13,360 --> 06:04:17,360 constitutional officer that can make 9159 06:04:14,638 --> 06:04:20,000 decision on his own. If we as a body 9160 06:04:17,360 --> 06:04:22,480 decide to put in suspension, we cannot 9161 06:04:20,000 --> 06:04:24,320 reinstate that program unless that item 9162 06:04:22,480 --> 06:04:26,638 comes back before this commission with a 9163 06:04:24,320 --> 06:04:28,080 positive vote unless directed otherwise. 9164 06:04:26,638 --> 06:04:30,240 So to answer your question, Commissioner 9165 06:04:28,080 --> 06:04:35,000 Matlo, if we take action tonight to 9166 06:04:30,240 --> 06:04:35,000 suspend in order to reinstate, 9167 06:04:35,440 --> 06:04:39,200 excuse me, it would have to take an 9168 06:04:36,798 --> 06:04:40,638 affirmative vote of a future commission 9169 06:04:39,200 --> 06:04:42,240 because I don't see this coming back in 9170 06:04:40,638 --> 06:04:43,280 the next month and a half before the 9171 06:04:42,240 --> 06:04:45,520 election. 9172 06:04:43,280 --> 06:04:46,558 » Commissioner Matloo. Thanks, Chief. 9173 06:04:45,520 --> 06:04:49,360 » Thank you, Chief. Yeah, and thank you 9174 06:04:46,558 --> 06:04:50,958 for that clarification. Um, 9175 06:04:49,360 --> 06:04:52,958 I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but 9176 06:04:50,958 --> 06:04:56,958 I believe I'm more in line with what the 9177 06:04:52,958 --> 06:04:59,040 governor ordered, which was uh must be 9178 06:04:56,958 --> 06:05:01,040 removed by the permittee within 30 days 9179 06:04:59,040 --> 06:05:03,200 of this date. If such removal has not 9180 06:05:01,040 --> 06:05:04,878 occurred within the 30-day period, the 9181 06:05:03,200 --> 06:05:07,440 department will remove any remaining 9182 06:05:04,878 --> 06:05:09,600 devices subject to this memorandum. The 9183 06:05:07,440 --> 06:05:11,680 governor has ordered them to come down, 9184 06:05:09,600 --> 06:05:13,760 at least on state state highways. And so 9185 06:05:11,680 --> 06:05:15,280 we are we are I don't know where that 9186 06:05:13,760 --> 06:05:17,040 puts us politically in relationship to 9187 06:05:15,280 --> 06:05:18,718 to the governor, but it seems like the 9188 06:05:17,040 --> 06:05:21,200 governor has a lot more common sense 9189 06:05:18,718 --> 06:05:23,680 about the threat um of this surveillance 9190 06:05:21,200 --> 06:05:25,200 uh technology. But look, incremental 9191 06:05:23,680 --> 06:05:27,120 progress is progress. I'll support the 9192 06:05:25,200 --> 06:05:29,040 motion on the table, but I don't think 9193 06:05:27,120 --> 06:05:30,638 um it's a total victory for people who 9194 06:05:29,040 --> 06:05:33,200 don't want to see this come back in a 9195 06:05:30,638 --> 06:05:35,120 year uh and go through this same process 9196 06:05:33,200 --> 06:05:37,360 again. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 9197 06:05:35,120 --> 06:05:39,280 » Commissioner Porter, with the question. 9198 06:05:37,360 --> 06:05:41,200 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and I intend to 9199 06:05:39,280 --> 06:05:43,360 support the motion as well. I I would 9200 06:05:41,200 --> 06:05:46,638 like to have the question answered. How 9201 06:05:43,360 --> 06:05:48,320 did we get here 9202 06:05:46,638 --> 06:05:50,160 since this did not come to a vote for 9203 06:05:48,320 --> 06:05:51,520 the commission? 9204 06:05:50,160 --> 06:05:54,400 » Uh Mr. Manager. 9205 06:05:51,520 --> 06:05:57,280 » Yeah. Actually, Commissioner, there's 9206 06:05:54,400 --> 06:05:58,080 been numerous votes by the commission. 9207 06:05:57,280 --> 06:06:00,240 Okay. 9208 06:05:58,080 --> 06:06:02,000 » On the video technology, license plate 9209 06:06:00,240 --> 06:06:05,920 reader technology updates to the 9210 06:06:02,000 --> 06:06:08,920 commission dating back till 9211 06:06:05,920 --> 06:06:08,920 2020. 9212 06:06:09,280 --> 06:06:11,920 So all of the action has been done by 9213 06:06:11,120 --> 06:06:12,638 the commission. 9214 06:06:11,920 --> 06:06:15,120 » Correct. 9215 06:06:12,638 --> 06:06:16,798 » Did we vote on entering into a flock 9216 06:06:15,120 --> 06:06:18,400 contract? 9217 06:06:16,798 --> 06:06:19,040 » Uh we did not enter into a flock 9218 06:06:18,400 --> 06:06:20,160 contract. 9219 06:06:19,040 --> 06:06:22,240 » That's right. 9220 06:06:20,160 --> 06:06:24,718 » Contract. It's a derivative of the 9221 06:06:22,240 --> 06:06:25,280 redspeed contract. Yes, you did. 9222 06:06:24,718 --> 06:06:28,558 » We did. 9223 06:06:25,280 --> 06:06:30,240 » Okay. So 9224 06:06:28,558 --> 06:06:32,000 I don't understand 9225 06:06:30,240 --> 06:06:32,958 » That that was legislative action. We did 9226 06:06:32,000 --> 06:06:35,520 vote on that. 9227 06:06:32,958 --> 06:06:39,360 » I know the red speed was. But so are you 9228 06:06:35,520 --> 06:06:40,240 telling me that that is that red speed 9229 06:06:39,360 --> 06:06:42,558 is 9230 06:06:40,240 --> 06:06:44,878 » There's a relationship between red speed 9231 06:06:42,558 --> 06:06:46,320 the availability of flock and you you 9232 06:06:44,878 --> 06:06:48,000 acted on that contract then 9233 06:06:46,320 --> 06:06:49,920 » Okay I know we acted on that contract I 9234 06:06:48,000 --> 06:06:51,600 reviewed those items before we got here 9235 06:06:49,920 --> 06:06:53,840 there's no mention of flock there's no 9236 06:06:51,600 --> 06:06:55,680 mention of alprs 9237 06:06:53,840 --> 06:06:58,000 » That that's the contract that's the 9238 06:06:55,680 --> 06:07:00,080 contract that that 9239 06:06:58,000 --> 06:07:02,798 is for the flock and then you've had 9240 06:07:00,080 --> 06:07:05,680 other motor with updates so this 9241 06:07:02,798 --> 06:07:07,520 commission's provided the ction. It's 9242 06:07:05,680 --> 06:07:10,080 not been 9243 06:07:07,520 --> 06:07:11,440 a few times, it's been numerous times. 9244 06:07:10,080 --> 06:07:12,958 » All right, we got a motion on the table. 9245 06:07:11,440 --> 06:07:14,638 We're going to take a vote. All those in 9246 06:07:12,958 --> 06:07:16,240 favor of the motion made by Commissioner 9247 06:07:14,638 --> 06:07:18,718 Diane Williams Cox, seconded by the 9248 06:07:16,240 --> 06:07:21,200 mayor, Pro Tim, signify by saying I. 9249 06:07:18,718 --> 06:07:23,520 » All those opposed and it passes 9250 06:07:21,200 --> 06:07:25,440 unanimously. 50-0. We have nothing else 9251 06:07:23,520 --> 06:07:26,320 to come before us. We are on agenda 9252 06:07:25,440 --> 06:07:28,080 speakers. Mr. 9253 06:07:26,320 --> 06:07:29,840 » Mr. Mayor, 9254 06:07:28,080 --> 06:07:31,120 » Can we address Can I just take care of 9255 06:07:29,840 --> 06:07:33,360 that item that we were going to take 9256 06:07:31,120 --> 06:07:34,638 care of earlier? Do you want me to Mr. 9257 06:07:33,360 --> 06:07:37,440 » Porter? You're recognized. 9258 06:07:34,638 --> 06:07:41,280 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I would just 9259 06:07:37,440 --> 06:07:44,240 like to the record to reflect my vote on 9260 06:07:41,280 --> 06:07:46,480 the street renaming to be unanimous. 9261 06:07:44,240 --> 06:07:47,920 » Well, I think we have to uh she wants to 9262 06:07:46,480 --> 06:07:50,240 change her position and change the 9263 06:07:47,920 --> 06:07:51,840 official vote on the street renaming for 9264 06:07:50,240 --> 06:07:54,080 doctors. 9265 06:07:51,840 --> 06:07:55,360 So, do I need to I need to take a motion 9266 06:07:54,080 --> 06:07:57,520 to reconsider? 9267 06:07:55,360 --> 06:07:59,520 » It's not again, it's Robert's rules 9268 06:07:57,520 --> 06:08:01,440 refers to it as a if it's within the 9269 06:07:59,520 --> 06:08:03,760 same meeting, it's not really a motion 9270 06:08:01,440 --> 06:08:07,120 to reconsider. It does require um 9271 06:08:03,760 --> 06:08:08,718 unanimous consent of the body to allow 9272 06:08:07,120 --> 06:08:10,160 the commissioner to change her vote. 9273 06:08:08,718 --> 06:08:11,920 » Commissioner Porter wants to change her 9274 06:08:10,160 --> 06:08:14,878 vote on the renaming so that the vote 9275 06:08:11,920 --> 06:08:17,360 reflects not a 41 but a 50 unanimous 9276 06:08:14,878 --> 06:08:19,760 vote. Is there any objection? Seeing 9277 06:08:17,360 --> 06:08:21,600 none, let the record reflect a 50 9278 06:08:19,760 --> 06:08:23,920 unanimous vote in the renaming of the 9279 06:08:21,600 --> 06:08:26,160 street in favor of the doctor's homes. 9280 06:08:23,920 --> 06:08:27,360 We are on unagended speakers. Mr. Clerk, 9281 06:08:26,160 --> 06:08:28,160 how many speakers do we have? 9282 06:08:27,360 --> 06:08:29,760 » Have nine. 9283 06:08:28,160 --> 06:08:33,440 » Nine speakers. Let's go. 9284 06:08:29,760 --> 06:08:35,440 » First speaker, Bobby Nahome. 9285 06:08:33,440 --> 06:08:38,760 followed by 9286 06:08:35,440 --> 06:08:38,760 Michael Roano 9287 06:08:40,240 --> 06:08:44,400 » Bobby, 576 East Call Street. I'm 9288 06:08:43,536 --> 06:08:45,760 [clears throat] speaking to you all 9289 06:08:44,400 --> 06:08:47,840 today about the need in our community 9290 06:08:45,760 --> 06:08:50,400 for public access to tracks for running 9291 06:08:47,840 --> 06:08:52,320 and exercise. Uh for many decades, 9292 06:08:50,400 --> 06:08:54,558 Tallahassee residents had access to the 9293 06:08:52,320 --> 06:08:56,240 tracks at our public high schools during 9294 06:08:54,558 --> 06:08:57,440 evenings, weekends, and holidays when 9295 06:08:56,240 --> 06:09:00,080 they're not being used for school 9296 06:08:57,440 --> 06:09:01,840 activities, practices, or games. In 9297 06:09:00,080 --> 06:09:03,760 2020, the school district completely 9298 06:09:01,840 --> 06:09:05,680 closed public access to these tracks. 9299 06:09:03,760 --> 06:09:08,080 After lobbying the district, we got them 9300 06:09:05,680 --> 06:09:11,520 to reopen the tracks in a limited 9301 06:09:08,080 --> 06:09:14,080 capacity in 2023 and for a few months 9302 06:09:11,520 --> 06:09:17,280 again in 2025. For almost an entire 9303 06:09:14,080 --> 06:09:19,520 year, uh we had them reopened in 2025. 9304 06:09:17,280 --> 06:09:21,840 However, this past June, the district 9305 06:09:19,520 --> 06:09:23,600 once again closed public access. Our 9306 06:09:21,840 --> 06:09:25,920 community now has no access to these 9307 06:09:23,600 --> 06:09:28,480 tracks. This deprivives residents of 9308 06:09:25,920 --> 06:09:30,798 safe places to exercise and young 9309 06:09:28,480 --> 06:09:32,558 athletes of places to train for sports 9310 06:09:30,798 --> 06:09:34,958 and athletic competitions outside of 9311 06:09:32,558 --> 06:09:36,638 school hours. I along with others am 9312 06:09:34,958 --> 06:09:38,558 once again working with the school board 9313 06:09:36,638 --> 06:09:40,480 to find a permanent solution to reopen 9314 06:09:38,558 --> 06:09:42,320 the tracks. The school board and 9315 06:09:40,480 --> 06:09:44,160 superintendent have been receptive, but 9316 06:09:42,320 --> 06:09:45,600 they have expressed that they could use 9317 06:09:44,160 --> 06:09:48,240 help maintaining the tracks and 9318 06:09:45,600 --> 06:09:49,600 bathrooms to accommodate public use. I 9319 06:09:48,240 --> 06:09:51,280 believe it's time for the city of 9320 06:09:49,600 --> 06:09:53,440 Tallahassee to partner with Leyon County 9321 06:09:51,280 --> 06:09:55,600 Schools through a shared use agreement 9322 06:09:53,440 --> 06:09:58,240 to help maintain these facilities and 9323 06:09:55,600 --> 06:10:00,000 restore public access during designated 9324 06:09:58,240 --> 06:10:02,160 hours when the tracks are not being used 9325 06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:03,840 by the schools. Several schoolboard 9326 06:10:02,160 --> 06:10:06,000 members and the superintendent are open 9327 06:10:03,840 --> 06:10:08,000 to this idea and there is precedent for 9328 06:10:06,000 --> 06:10:12,080 these shared use agreements. Florida 9329 06:10:08,000 --> 06:10:14,160 statute 1013.101 101 passed in 2018 was 9330 06:10:12,080 --> 06:10:16,160 specifically intended to encourage 9331 06:10:14,160 --> 06:10:18,000 school districts and local governments 9332 06:10:16,160 --> 06:10:19,920 to create shared use agreements to make 9333 06:10:18,000 --> 06:10:22,320 outdoor school recreational facilities 9334 06:10:19,920 --> 06:10:24,480 available to the public. Before the law 9335 06:10:22,320 --> 06:10:26,320 was passed, a shared use task force was 9336 06:10:24,480 --> 06:10:28,080 create was created to explore the 9337 06:10:26,320 --> 06:10:31,120 benefits of local governments and school 9338 06:10:28,080 --> 06:10:32,958 districts combining resources 9339 06:10:31,120 --> 06:10:34,718 uh to make school facilities available 9340 06:10:32,958 --> 06:10:38,638 to the public. The report became the 9341 06:10:34,718 --> 06:10:40,558 basis for Florida statute 1013.101 101 9342 06:10:38,638 --> 06:10:42,240 task force found that public access to 9343 06:10:40,558 --> 06:10:44,080 the track can improve public health, 9344 06:10:42,240 --> 06:10:46,080 help prevent vandalism by putting more 9345 06:10:44,080 --> 06:10:49,280 people on school grounds during off 9346 06:10:46,080 --> 06:10:51,440 hours, and conserve taxpayer dollars by 9347 06:10:49,280 --> 06:10:54,080 preventing unnecessary duplication of 9348 06:10:51,440 --> 06:10:56,400 facilities. This is relevant in our city 9349 06:10:54,080 --> 06:10:58,000 here because we don't need to spend tax 9350 06:10:56,400 --> 06:10:59,520 dollars on building more public tracks 9351 06:10:58,000 --> 06:11:02,400 when we already have five high school 9352 06:10:59,520 --> 06:11:04,320 tracks that sit vacant much of the time. 9353 06:11:02,400 --> 06:11:05,760 It makes more sense for the city to work 9354 06:11:04,320 --> 06:11:07,920 with the school district to make these 9355 06:11:05,760 --> 06:11:10,400 existing facilities available to the 9356 06:11:07,920 --> 06:11:12,638 public at designated hours. Florida 9357 06:11:10,400 --> 06:11:14,638 statute 375.251 9358 06:11:12,638 --> 06:11:16,400 provides liability protection for local 9359 06:11:14,638 --> 06:11:18,240 governments and school districts that 9360 06:11:16,400 --> 06:11:20,718 make recreational facilities available 9361 06:11:18,240 --> 06:11:22,400 for public use. So liability associated 9362 06:11:20,718 --> 06:11:23,360 with public use of these tracks is not 9363 06:11:22,400 --> 06:11:24,798 an obstacle. 9364 06:11:23,360 --> 06:11:26,480 » You're at 20 seconds remaining. 9365 06:11:24,798 --> 06:11:28,400 » We had access to these tracks for 9366 06:11:26,480 --> 06:11:30,080 decades and it worked. Presumably the 9367 06:11:28,400 --> 06:11:32,240 city never built new tracks because we 9368 06:11:30,080 --> 06:11:33,920 always had access. I'm asking for you 9369 06:11:32,240 --> 06:11:35,520 all to work with Lyon County Schools to 9370 06:11:33,920 --> 06:11:37,520 help restore public access to these 9371 06:11:35,520 --> 06:11:39,520 tracks. Let's use the facilities we 9372 06:11:37,520 --> 06:11:41,120 already have, save taxpayer dollars, 9373 06:11:39,520 --> 06:11:42,718 promote public health, and give our 9374 06:11:41,120 --> 06:11:44,878 community back the tracks that we were 9375 06:11:42,718 --> 06:11:46,160 able to use for decades. Thank you. 9376 06:11:44,878 --> 06:11:48,000 » Our next speaker, please. 9377 06:11:46,160 --> 06:11:50,160 » Michael Roano. 9378 06:11:48,000 --> 06:11:51,600 He'll be followed by uh Kim Okconor. 9379 06:11:50,160 --> 06:11:54,160 » Name and address for the record, please. 9380 06:11:51,600 --> 06:11:57,440 » My name is Michael Robano. Um 1325 West 9381 06:11:54,160 --> 06:11:59,440 Thurp Street. Um hello. I came here to 9382 06:11:57,440 --> 06:12:03,280 talk about football. um specifically 9383 06:11:59,440 --> 06:12:05,040 game day traffic management by TPD. 9384 06:12:03,280 --> 06:12:07,520 Um I'm a ride share driver, have been 9385 06:12:05,040 --> 06:12:09,440 for a decade. I am in the trenches 9386 06:12:07,520 --> 06:12:11,280 during game day when all this stuff 9387 06:12:09,440 --> 06:12:12,798 happens. 9388 06:12:11,280 --> 06:12:14,638 Um 9389 06:12:12,798 --> 06:12:16,160 I'm specifically referring to traffic on 9390 06:12:14,638 --> 06:12:17,760 game days and other events where TPD 9391 06:12:16,160 --> 06:12:19,680 controls the flow of traffic. Currently, 9392 06:12:17,760 --> 06:12:22,320 the game day's traffic situation is an 9393 06:12:19,680 --> 06:12:24,878 unmititigated disaster. Closing roads 9394 06:12:22,320 --> 06:12:27,680 down does not get people where they need 9395 06:12:24,878 --> 06:12:30,080 to go. The same song and dance has been 9396 06:12:27,680 --> 06:12:31,840 done for decades despite changing 9397 06:12:30,080 --> 06:12:33,840 demographics. There are now thousands of 9398 06:12:31,840 --> 06:12:36,320 people, thousands of people that live in 9399 06:12:33,840 --> 06:12:38,320 that area in College Town. Shuffling 9400 06:12:36,320 --> 06:12:40,480 everyone out to Appalache Parkway and 9401 06:12:38,320 --> 06:12:44,000 closing all those roads makes no sense 9402 06:12:40,480 --> 06:12:46,000 at all. People go to and from the game 9403 06:12:44,000 --> 06:12:49,120 and cross 9404 06:12:46,000 --> 06:12:50,718 the roads regularly and need to. The 9405 06:12:49,120 --> 06:12:52,480 policy needs to be changed. It needs to 9406 06:12:50,718 --> 06:12:54,080 be changed to where the roads are opened 9407 06:12:52,480 --> 06:12:56,240 up and people are allowed to come in and 9408 06:12:54,080 --> 06:12:57,680 out where they need to go. This would 9409 06:12:56,240 --> 06:12:59,440 make it easier to get to and from the 9410 06:12:57,680 --> 06:13:01,440 games. It would allow transportation. It 9411 06:12:59,440 --> 06:13:05,280 would reduce the congestion that's 9412 06:13:01,440 --> 06:13:07,200 created by TPD. It's it it's it's a 9413 06:13:05,280 --> 06:13:10,878 problem that creates itself. There's a 9414 06:13:07,200 --> 06:13:12,320 traffic jam that's coming into town from 9415 06:13:10,878 --> 06:13:13,680 the people that are shuffled out to 9416 06:13:12,320 --> 06:13:15,440 Appalache Parkway because they didn't 9417 06:13:13,680 --> 06:13:16,638 get where they needed to go, right? They 9418 06:13:15,440 --> 06:13:18,000 shut all these roads down. So now they 9419 06:13:16,638 --> 06:13:19,200 go up. Well, now I'm out out on 9420 06:13:18,000 --> 06:13:20,798 Appalachic Parkway, but I needed to 9421 06:13:19,200 --> 06:13:23,040 really go to this hotel down here or 9422 06:13:20,798 --> 06:13:25,680 whatever it is. So, we have a traffic 9423 06:13:23,040 --> 06:13:28,320 jam coming into town and a traffic jam 9424 06:13:25,680 --> 06:13:30,480 leaving town during game day because it 9425 06:13:28,320 --> 06:13:31,520 makes no sense. And I go, "No, nobody 9426 06:13:30,480 --> 06:13:33,520 talks about this. It's one of those 9427 06:13:31,520 --> 06:13:35,040 things that's it's existed so long. I 9428 06:13:33,520 --> 06:13:36,638 think people just do it because it's the 9429 06:13:35,040 --> 06:13:38,558 thing that happens on game day, but it 9430 06:13:36,638 --> 06:13:40,320 makes no sense. It makes no sense at 9431 06:13:38,558 --> 06:13:42,240 all." Right? Right. So, it's just 9432 06:13:40,320 --> 06:13:44,638 something I just wanted to bring up and 9433 06:13:42,240 --> 06:13:46,080 hopefully, you know, people can just 9434 06:13:44,638 --> 06:13:47,280 start talking about it because I don't 9435 06:13:46,080 --> 06:13:48,480 think anybody talks about it. I think 9436 06:13:47,280 --> 06:13:54,000 it's just something that's been done for 9437 06:13:48,480 --> 06:13:55,280 so long and it makes no sense. Um, 9438 06:13:54,000 --> 06:13:56,798 yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much it. I 9439 06:13:55,280 --> 06:13:58,878 just wanted to see a re-evaluation and 9440 06:13:56,798 --> 06:14:00,480 and again I mean I'm not even sure that 9441 06:13:58,878 --> 06:14:02,160 you guys are the guys that talk about it 9442 06:14:00,480 --> 06:14:05,440 but I think that you know it's a it's a 9443 06:14:02,160 --> 06:14:08,558 partnership between the city TBD FSU 9444 06:14:05,440 --> 06:14:11,600 um during game days um as part of a 9445 06:14:08,558 --> 06:14:14,878 potential solution. I would think that 9446 06:14:11,600 --> 06:14:16,878 um the real answer would not to be 9447 06:14:14,878 --> 06:14:18,958 reduce the police presence but to 9448 06:14:16,878 --> 06:14:21,920 instead of blocking roads off have 9449 06:14:18,958 --> 06:14:23,600 police officers direct traffic as to 9450 06:14:21,920 --> 06:14:25,360 where it needs to go. So instead of 9451 06:14:23,600 --> 06:14:26,558 closing off lanes and arteries, 9452 06:14:25,360 --> 06:14:28,558 » 30 seconds remain, 9453 06:14:26,558 --> 06:14:33,558 » You have people shuffling that traffic 9454 06:14:28,558 --> 06:14:33,558 to where it needs to go. Um, 9455 06:14:33,920 --> 06:14:36,798 and again, I think you could do that 9456 06:14:35,200 --> 06:14:38,480 with the exact same number of officers. 9457 06:14:36,798 --> 06:14:39,680 I know you pull officers from literally 9458 06:14:38,480 --> 06:14:41,600 counties from all over the place. 9459 06:14:39,680 --> 06:14:43,600 Liberty Poke, Wacola, you name it. They 9460 06:14:41,600 --> 06:14:44,878 come from all over just so they can 9461 06:14:43,600 --> 06:14:47,440 stand on a road, twiddle their thumbs, 9462 06:14:44,878 --> 06:14:50,480 and and nobody gets to go anywhere. 9463 06:14:47,440 --> 06:14:53,600 » Um, hey, thanks a lot, guys. Our next 9464 06:14:50,480 --> 06:14:56,600 speaker, please Kim O' Conor and then 9465 06:14:53,600 --> 06:14:56,600 FA. 9466 06:15:04,160 --> 06:15:07,600 Your name and address for the record, 9467 06:15:05,680 --> 06:15:11,360 please. 9468 06:15:07,600 --> 06:15:15,440 My name is Kim Okconor. I live at George 9469 06:15:11,360 --> 06:15:17,600 Bell Dickinson. Uh here people giving 9470 06:15:15,440 --> 06:15:19,040 their addresses, their zip code. I I 9471 06:15:17,600 --> 06:15:20,320 didn't know that was sufficient, but I'm 9472 06:15:19,040 --> 06:15:24,718 going to give my whole address because 9473 06:15:20,320 --> 06:15:27,040 it's George Bell Dickinson, uh, 301 East 9474 06:15:24,718 --> 06:15:30,080 Carolina Street, and I'm very proud to 9475 06:15:27,040 --> 06:15:33,040 live there. I'm not as prepared as the 9476 06:15:30,080 --> 06:15:34,798 two unagended speakers, but I will do my 9477 06:15:33,040 --> 06:15:37,600 best, and it'll be over in three 9478 06:15:34,798 --> 06:15:39,200 minutes. Um 9479 06:15:37,600 --> 06:15:42,558 tomorrow, 9480 06:15:39,200 --> 06:15:48,798 um Governor DeSantis has uh scheduled 9481 06:15:42,558 --> 06:15:50,558 the uh 15th execution for 2026 of Daniel 9482 06:15:48,798 --> 06:15:54,080 Conahan. 9483 06:15:50,558 --> 06:15:57,360 Um in his first three years, he had zero 9484 06:15:54,080 --> 06:16:00,080 executions. His next year, he had six. 9485 06:15:57,360 --> 06:16:03,920 Next year after that, 2024, election 9486 06:16:00,080 --> 06:16:08,320 year, had one. but he's been on a pair 9487 06:16:03,920 --> 06:16:11,840 this last uh two years. 2025 as a record 9488 06:16:08,320 --> 06:16:17,520 19 and 2026. This will be number uh 15 9489 06:16:11,840 --> 06:16:22,638 and it's only uh August. Um they on on 9490 06:16:17,520 --> 06:16:27,280 September 1st they executed Harold Lucas 9491 06:16:22,638 --> 06:16:30,878 and at the same time the governor was in 9492 06:16:27,280 --> 06:16:33,600 Tampa at the Pepin Institute having a 9493 06:16:30,878 --> 06:16:35,440 Republican fundraiser. I tried to find 9494 06:16:33,600 --> 06:16:37,440 out what the cost they said it's similar 9495 06:16:35,440 --> 06:16:39,920 to what they just had in Texas was 9496 06:16:37,440 --> 06:16:42,000 20,000 up but none of that is 9497 06:16:39,920 --> 06:16:44,000 information. But while the execution is 9498 06:16:42,000 --> 06:16:47,520 scheduled at 6 PM, he has a fundraiser 9499 06:16:44,000 --> 06:16:49,040 in Tampa. Dantis, Byron Donald, Will 9500 06:16:47,520 --> 06:16:53,040 Simpson, 9501 06:16:49,040 --> 06:16:56,958 James Umeire, and Bla1 in Gouia. And so 9502 06:16:53,040 --> 06:16:59,520 I just I have to just mostly speaking to 9503 06:16:56,958 --> 06:17:00,958 the public out there, you know, that we 9504 06:16:59,520 --> 06:17:03,600 do some things here at the Tallahassee 9505 06:17:00,958 --> 06:17:05,440 Citizens Against the Death Penalty. Um 9506 06:17:03,600 --> 06:17:08,638 at Good Sheeperd Church in the morning 9507 06:17:05,440 --> 06:17:11,680 at 9:00 a.m. We'll have a program. 9508 06:17:08,638 --> 06:17:13,520 That's 4665 Thomasville Road and then at 9509 06:17:11,680 --> 06:17:15,920 6 PM we gather at the governor's 9510 06:17:13,520 --> 06:17:21,200 mansion. Um and he wasn't there on 9511 06:17:15,920 --> 06:17:23,840 September 1st. We gather um so um and um 9512 06:17:21,200 --> 06:17:25,600 we ring the bell. Beth brings the first 9513 06:17:23,840 --> 06:17:28,638 Presbyterian bell and we bring it on 9514 06:17:25,600 --> 06:17:31,440 every every name the um for the 9515 06:17:28,638 --> 06:17:34,798 governor. So this be number 44. 9516 06:17:31,440 --> 06:17:38,080 And um just this fundraiser thing in 9517 06:17:34,798 --> 06:17:40,480 2013, 13 years ago, September 10th, the 9518 06:17:38,080 --> 06:17:42,480 same day, the anniversary of the day, I 9519 06:17:40,480 --> 06:17:44,798 mean uh tomorrow's execution, the 9520 06:17:42,480 --> 06:17:46,000 anniversary of the day that Pam Bondi 9521 06:17:44,798 --> 06:17:47,680 got Rick Scott, 9522 06:17:46,000 --> 06:17:51,440 » You have 9523 06:17:47,680 --> 06:17:53,280 to um to reschedu u the execution of 9524 06:17:51,440 --> 06:17:55,840 Marshall Lee Graves so she could have a 9525 06:17:53,280 --> 06:17:57,760 fundraiser in Tampa. It's the only one 9526 06:17:55,840 --> 06:18:00,400 I'm asking the commission but I am uh 9527 06:17:57,760 --> 06:18:02,558 ask and then uh the next day September 9528 06:18:00,400 --> 06:18:04,718 11th citizens against Tallahassy 9529 06:18:02,558 --> 06:18:06,558 citizens against death penalty will have 9530 06:18:04,718 --> 06:18:09,120 a service of remembrance around the 9531 06:18:06,558 --> 06:18:11,120 rotunda. I hope anybody out there 9532 06:18:09,120 --> 06:18:13,040 anybody out there who would come and 9533 06:18:11,120 --> 06:18:15,040 join us. I appreciate it so much. Thank 9534 06:18:13,040 --> 06:18:17,360 you. Thank you and to be here to 10 9535 06:18:15,040 --> 06:18:18,480 o'clock. I really appreciate you uh 9536 06:18:17,360 --> 06:18:20,240 commissioners to the max. 9537 06:18:18,480 --> 06:18:23,240 » Thank you. Our next speaker, please 9538 06:18:20,240 --> 06:18:23,240 finet 9539 06:18:24,558 --> 06:18:31,000 once, twice, uh, 9540 06:18:28,000 --> 06:18:31,000 Carol. 9541 06:18:34,160 --> 06:18:39,440 » Name and address for the record, please. 9542 06:18:37,040 --> 06:18:42,558 » Uh, you already know. Uh, hey, this is 9543 06:18:39,440 --> 06:18:44,718 Dar Alfred. I'm a resident at 814 West 9544 06:18:42,558 --> 06:18:46,558 Tharp Street. I'm also a ride share 9545 06:18:44,718 --> 06:18:47,840 driver, and I have some policy for that 9546 06:18:46,558 --> 06:18:50,878 if you guys are interested in talking 9547 06:18:47,840 --> 06:18:52,958 about it. It's on my site. Um, so 9548 06:18:50,878 --> 06:18:54,718 Tallahassee has effectively created a 9549 06:18:52,958 --> 06:18:56,798 charging desert for residents who drive 9550 06:18:54,718 --> 06:18:59,200 Chattamo electric vehicles. You all got 9551 06:18:56,798 --> 06:19:00,558 an email about it this past week. Uh, if 9552 06:18:59,200 --> 06:19:02,798 you don't know what Chattamo is, it's 9553 06:19:00,558 --> 06:19:04,718 one of the major DC fast charging plugs, 9554 06:19:02,798 --> 06:19:07,200 most commonly used by Nissan Leafs and 9555 06:19:04,718 --> 06:19:09,440 some earlier EVs. It's how my car fast 9556 06:19:07,200 --> 06:19:12,000 charges. I've been driving mine since 9557 06:19:09,440 --> 06:19:13,840 2022. At the time, there was the promise 9558 06:19:12,000 --> 06:19:15,840 of federal nevi funding that could cover 9559 06:19:13,840 --> 06:19:18,798 up to 80% of new charging 9560 06:19:15,840 --> 06:19:21,760 infrastructure. The Santis blocked it. 9561 06:19:18,798 --> 06:19:23,200 Florida never really got it. So for four 9562 06:19:21,760 --> 06:19:25,760 years, people like me have learned to 9563 06:19:23,200 --> 06:19:28,638 walk or work around a limited network. 9564 06:19:25,760 --> 06:19:31,040 Today, Tallahassee has roughly 40 CCS 9565 06:19:28,638 --> 06:19:33,120 charging connections, about 52 Knax 9566 06:19:31,040 --> 06:19:36,160 connections, and effectively one active 9567 06:19:33,120 --> 06:19:38,320 Chattamo fast charger. I've driven 10 9568 06:19:36,160 --> 06:19:40,480 hours, gotten back to Tallahassee, or 9569 06:19:38,320 --> 06:19:42,000 gotten back gotten done at 4 in the 9570 06:19:40,480 --> 06:19:44,320 morning and still couldn't go home 9571 06:19:42,000 --> 06:19:46,000 because somebody else was charging. I've 9572 06:19:44,320 --> 06:19:47,680 fallen asleep waiting. What should have 9573 06:19:46,000 --> 06:19:50,080 been a 40-minute stop can turn into 9574 06:19:47,680 --> 06:19:51,840 hours. Then recently, you guys opened 9575 06:19:50,080 --> 06:19:53,920 the Cascades 9576 06:19:51,840 --> 06:19:56,558 charging station with four fast chargers 9577 06:19:53,920 --> 06:19:58,958 that work for my car. That was awesome. 9578 06:19:56,558 --> 06:20:00,160 Leaf drivers cried tears of joy. I saw 9579 06:19:58,958 --> 06:20:02,160 them because they were in my rearview 9580 06:20:00,160 --> 06:20:04,080 mirror. 9581 06:20:02,160 --> 06:20:06,320 Then just this past month, a maintenance 9582 06:20:04,080 --> 06:20:08,718 crew came out. When they left, all four 9583 06:20:06,320 --> 06:20:10,320 Chattamo connections were suddenly gone. 9584 06:20:08,718 --> 06:20:11,520 Meanwhile, the state charger near the 9585 06:20:10,320 --> 06:20:12,798 capital has been out because of 9586 06:20:11,520 --> 06:20:15,520 construction and will be for the 9587 06:20:12,798 --> 06:20:17,520 foreseeable future. Southwood is done. 9588 06:20:15,520 --> 06:20:19,840 Uh Craft Nissan is the only single 9589 06:20:17,520 --> 06:20:22,240 charger and it's private, so after hours 9590 06:20:19,840 --> 06:20:24,160 you can't access it. So, someone coming 9591 06:20:22,240 --> 06:20:26,080 in in Tallahassee late at night, working 9592 06:20:24,160 --> 06:20:27,520 overnight like I have for years or 9593 06:20:26,080 --> 06:20:29,200 living in an apartment without home 9594 06:20:27,520 --> 06:20:30,798 charging can realistically find 9595 06:20:29,200 --> 06:20:32,958 themselves with nowhere to go and 9596 06:20:30,798 --> 06:20:35,360 stranded on the side of the road. This 9597 06:20:32,958 --> 06:20:37,120 is what and what makes this worse is how 9598 06:20:35,360 --> 06:20:38,718 the transition was handled. For a 9599 06:20:37,120 --> 06:20:40,718 Chattamo driver, the answer is now 9600 06:20:38,718 --> 06:20:43,680 basically go buy an adapter that costs 9601 06:20:40,718 --> 06:20:45,200 around 800 bucks. A used, excuse me, 9602 06:20:43,680 --> 06:20:46,638 that's backwards. A used Nissan Leaf is 9603 06:20:45,200 --> 06:20:48,638 one of the most affordable ways for a 9604 06:20:46,638 --> 06:20:51,520 working person to get into an electric 9605 06:20:48,638 --> 06:20:53,360 car. Most people buying one don't have 9606 06:20:51,520 --> 06:20:56,000 $800 sitting around to fix a problem 9607 06:20:53,360 --> 06:20:57,840 they didn't create. I'm lucky to enough 9608 06:20:56,000 --> 06:20:59,760 to have a regular outlet at home 9609 06:20:57,840 --> 06:21:02,160 charging for 24 hours to get a full 9610 06:20:59,760 --> 06:21:04,320 charge, guys. U but plenty of apartment 9611 06:21:02,160 --> 06:21:06,320 residents don't even have that. So, my 9612 06:21:04,320 --> 06:21:08,240 remedy is straightforward. restored 9613 06:21:06,320 --> 06:21:09,680 Chattamo access at Cascades, whether 9614 06:21:08,240 --> 06:21:11,840 that means restoring the Chattamo 9615 06:21:09,680 --> 06:21:14,480 connections or providing compatible CCS 9616 06:21:11,840 --> 06:21:15,760 to Chattamo adapters at the station. I'm 9617 06:21:14,480 --> 06:21:17,360 not asking Tallahassee to stop 9618 06:21:15,760 --> 06:21:19,760 modernizing. I'm asking to modernize 9619 06:21:17,360 --> 06:21:21,360 without stranding people. If we're 9620 06:21:19,760 --> 06:21:22,798 spending public money on transportation 9621 06:21:21,360 --> 06:21:24,400 infrastructure, more people should be 9622 06:21:22,798 --> 06:21:27,840 able to use it when we're done, not 9623 06:21:24,400 --> 06:21:30,400 fewer. Um, the Tesla adapter to Cado is 9624 06:21:27,840 --> 06:21:33,040 like 50 bucks. My adapter is 800 bucks 9625 06:21:30,400 --> 06:21:34,638 and people like me can't afford it. Um, 9626 06:21:33,040 --> 06:21:37,120 as far as while I have the little bit of 9627 06:21:34,638 --> 06:21:40,240 time, 10 seconds, uh, we should have 9628 06:21:37,120 --> 06:21:44,000 stations away from events, uh, you know, 9629 06:21:40,240 --> 06:21:45,680 where Bajas is, at the fairgrounds, uh, 9630 06:21:44,000 --> 06:21:48,480 the Governor's Square Mall where people 9631 06:21:45,680 --> 06:21:50,080 can be diverted after events and not 9632 06:21:48,480 --> 06:21:51,120 congest the center of town and create 9633 06:21:50,080 --> 06:21:51,760 emergency problems. 9634 06:21:51,120 --> 06:21:53,280 » Your time is up 9635 06:21:51,760 --> 06:21:53,760 » In the center of town. Thank you. You 9636 06:21:53,280 --> 06:21:54,718 two, 9637 06:21:53,760 --> 06:21:57,200 » Next speaker, please. 9638 06:21:54,718 --> 06:22:00,840 » Sean Thomas, 9639 06:21:57,200 --> 06:22:00,840 then Lisa Sears. 9640 06:22:01,200 --> 06:22:06,558 Name and address for the record, please. 9641 06:22:02,878 --> 06:22:08,798 » Sean Thomas, 2113 Joiner Drive. Um, when 9642 06:22:06,558 --> 06:22:11,920 I first wrote this, it was afternoon is 9643 06:22:08,798 --> 06:22:15,120 now evening. Sorry for We've been here 9644 06:22:11,920 --> 06:22:17,120 since now 10, so I know we're all tired. 9645 06:22:15,120 --> 06:22:20,878 Um, 9646 06:22:17,120 --> 06:22:23,360 my I I first wasn't going to do a agenda 9647 06:22:20,878 --> 06:22:25,040 speaking item until I saw behavior on 9648 06:22:23,360 --> 06:22:28,958 the commission that I thought I needed 9649 06:22:25,040 --> 06:22:31,840 to point out. Um, so, Mayor Daly, let's 9650 06:22:28,958 --> 06:22:34,080 start with you. Year after year, your 9651 06:22:31,840 --> 06:22:36,240 colleagues, your colleagues on this very 9652 06:22:34,080 --> 06:22:38,400 commission and outside groups have 9653 06:22:36,240 --> 06:22:41,360 described the same pattern. Talking over 9654 06:22:38,400 --> 06:22:43,360 women, belittling them in the chambers 9655 06:22:41,360 --> 06:22:45,440 concerning the or cornering them in a 9656 06:22:43,360 --> 06:22:47,520 hallway. You earned the nickname from 9657 06:22:45,440 --> 06:22:50,000 me, and I hope it sticks. Daily, the 9658 06:22:47,520 --> 06:22:52,000 king of mansplaining. That's not a 9659 06:22:50,000 --> 06:22:54,480 punchline. It's what happens when 9660 06:22:52,000 --> 06:22:57,040 someone with power treats with the woman 9661 06:22:54,480 --> 06:22:59,840 on this commission like they're they're 9662 06:22:57,040 --> 06:23:01,920 here to be managed instead of heard. 9663 06:22:59,840 --> 06:23:03,920 That behavior doesn't play in this room. 9664 06:23:01,920 --> 06:23:05,680 It sets the tone of how every 9665 06:23:03,920 --> 06:23:07,840 department, every board, and every 9666 06:23:05,680 --> 06:23:09,920 resident watching at home learns to 9667 06:23:07,840 --> 06:23:12,798 treat each other and is the direct 9668 06:23:09,920 --> 06:23:15,200 driver of the division in this city. 9669 06:23:12,798 --> 06:23:16,878 Commissioner Williams Cox, first time in 9670 06:23:15,200 --> 06:23:19,040 8 years on this commission, you have 9671 06:23:16,878 --> 06:23:21,120 achieved a runoff election that doesn't 9672 06:23:19,040 --> 06:23:23,680 happen to someone the community feels is 9673 06:23:21,120 --> 06:23:26,240 listening. You can rename Wanish Way, 9674 06:23:23,680 --> 06:23:29,040 Pasco Street, West Carolina Street, and 9675 06:23:26,240 --> 06:23:31,760 now push the four Virginia Street to 9676 06:23:29,040 --> 06:23:34,480 four streets. And not one of those 9677 06:23:31,760 --> 06:23:36,638 ribbon cutings fixes a pro a pothole, 9678 06:23:34,480 --> 06:23:38,878 lowers a utility bill, or returns a 9679 06:23:36,638 --> 06:23:41,520 resident's phone call. Streets are 9680 06:23:38,878 --> 06:23:43,280 symbols. People need substance, and this 9681 06:23:41,520 --> 06:23:45,600 runoff is the community telling you 9682 06:23:43,280 --> 06:23:47,280 they've noticed the difference. You say 9683 06:23:45,600 --> 06:23:49,280 we need to move forward about the city 9684 06:23:47,280 --> 06:23:51,200 manager and that we have seen the city 9685 06:23:49,280 --> 06:23:53,280 move forward. But under Mayor Daly, 9686 06:23:51,200 --> 06:23:55,200 under your tenure and under Reese Code, 9687 06:23:53,280 --> 06:23:57,840 we have seen a rise in robberies at gas 9688 06:23:55,200 --> 06:23:59,840 stations. Block parties have to have TPD 9689 06:23:57,840 --> 06:24:02,798 officers and drones to protect them from 9690 06:23:59,840 --> 06:24:04,878 shootings. And city commission at city 9691 06:24:02,798 --> 06:24:08,160 commission is urging churches to do a 9692 06:24:04,878 --> 06:24:10,160 city hall's job. And commissioner 9693 06:24:08,160 --> 06:24:12,080 Richardson, we've all heard it, quote 9694 06:24:10,160 --> 06:24:14,240 unquote, I was born and raised on the 9695 06:24:12,080 --> 06:24:16,080 south side. It's become a meme in this 9696 06:24:14,240 --> 06:24:18,320 town because you reach for it every time 9697 06:24:16,080 --> 06:24:21,520 your record gets questioned. As if 9698 06:24:18,320 --> 06:24:23,280 geography excuses policy. It doesn't. 9699 06:24:21,520 --> 06:24:25,840 The southside deserves a commissioner 9700 06:24:23,280 --> 06:24:28,000 who fights for it with votes, not a 9701 06:24:25,840 --> 06:24:30,480 hometown line recycled for cover while 9702 06:24:28,000 --> 06:24:31,760 the public loses out. 9703 06:24:30,480 --> 06:24:33,840 » You have 30 seconds. 9704 06:24:31,760 --> 06:24:35,760 » Thank you. This dis sets the tone for 9705 06:24:33,840 --> 06:24:37,680 the whole city. When residents watch a 9706 06:24:35,760 --> 06:24:39,280 mayor talk down to his colleagues and 9707 06:24:37,680 --> 06:24:41,360 commissioner dodge accountability 9708 06:24:39,280 --> 06:24:42,878 accountability with a slogan and streets 9709 06:24:41,360 --> 06:24:45,360 renamed while real problems sit 9710 06:24:42,878 --> 06:24:47,520 untouched, they stop trusting each other 9711 06:24:45,360 --> 06:24:49,680 and they stop trusting you. And that is 9712 06:24:47,520 --> 06:24:52,638 how division gets manufactured in 9713 06:24:49,680 --> 06:24:55,360 Tallahassee. Not by outsiders, not by 9714 06:24:52,638 --> 06:24:57,680 Matlo, but by the conduct in this very 9715 06:24:55,360 --> 06:24:59,840 room. We're asking you, or at least I 9716 06:24:57,680 --> 06:25:01,440 am, treat each other with treat each 9717 06:24:59,840 --> 06:25:02,878 other and with respect. 9718 06:25:01,440 --> 06:25:04,400 » Thank you very much. Thank you so much. 9719 06:25:02,878 --> 06:25:06,958 Take a seat. Our next speaker, please, 9720 06:25:04,400 --> 06:25:09,920 » Lisa Sears. 9721 06:25:06,958 --> 06:25:12,798 » Lisa Sears will be followed by Adila 9722 06:25:09,920 --> 06:25:16,000 Pierre. 9723 06:25:12,798 --> 06:25:18,240 » My name is Lisa Sears. 32303. 9724 06:25:16,000 --> 06:25:22,320 Um, due to work, I wasn't able to arrive 9725 06:25:18,240 --> 06:25:25,440 here until after the city manager topic. 9726 06:25:22,320 --> 06:25:28,480 And when I got here and I was told what 9727 06:25:25,440 --> 06:25:30,798 happened, I was in shock. 9728 06:25:28,480 --> 06:25:32,958 I was like, "No, that can't be. That's 9729 06:25:30,798 --> 06:25:36,958 ridiculous. what do they make up a new 9730 06:25:32,958 --> 06:25:40,480 rule? And honestly, it is mind-boggling 9731 06:25:36,958 --> 06:25:42,638 to me. And I was explained really 9732 06:25:40,480 --> 06:25:46,558 briefly with the reason why y'all use 9733 06:25:42,638 --> 06:25:48,798 that. It It doesn't make sense still. 9734 06:25:46,558 --> 06:25:53,200 And to me, 9735 06:25:48,798 --> 06:25:56,320 I am my truth is that to me that was 9736 06:25:53,200 --> 06:25:59,520 very weak. That was like trying to hold 9737 06:25:56,320 --> 06:26:01,600 on to power and make sure that the 32 9738 06:25:59,520 --> 06:26:03,360 didn't go the other way on that 9739 06:26:01,600 --> 06:26:06,320 particular person that you're putting 9740 06:26:03,360 --> 06:26:08,798 there. And I'm not saying I don't like 9741 06:26:06,320 --> 06:26:10,958 her. I don't know her. I hope that she's 9742 06:26:08,798 --> 06:26:13,760 great, you know, and I hope that they 9743 06:26:10,958 --> 06:26:18,000 work good with the new dynamics coming 9744 06:26:13,760 --> 06:26:20,558 into town. But seriously, I I felt I 9745 06:26:18,000 --> 06:26:25,040 needed to express my feelings as a 9746 06:26:20,558 --> 06:26:26,320 citizen. That was disappointing. Our 9747 06:26:25,040 --> 06:26:29,360 next speaker, please. 9748 06:26:26,320 --> 06:26:32,480 » Delila Pierre is our final speaker. 9749 06:26:29,360 --> 06:26:34,240 » Name and address for the record, please. 9750 06:26:32,480 --> 06:26:35,760 » Delila Pierre, member of the Tahassee 9751 06:26:34,240 --> 06:26:38,400 Alliance Against Racism Political 9752 06:26:35,760 --> 06:26:40,480 Repression. Address exempt. I'm here to 9753 06:26:38,400 --> 06:26:42,718 speak on behalf of the Tallahassee 9754 06:26:40,480 --> 06:26:46,000 Students for a Democratic Society, a 9755 06:26:42,718 --> 06:26:48,000 local organization um at FSU um that is 9756 06:26:46,000 --> 06:26:50,240 being repressed by Florida State 9757 06:26:48,000 --> 06:26:52,320 University um and has continued to be 9758 06:26:50,240 --> 06:26:54,240 repressed by Florida State University 9759 06:26:52,320 --> 06:26:57,600 for using their First Amendment rights. 9760 06:26:54,240 --> 06:27:00,080 Um organizing is not a crime. The right 9761 06:26:57,600 --> 06:27:01,760 to protest is not a crime. The right to 9762 06:27:00,080 --> 06:27:03,600 speak out against injustice is not a 9763 06:27:01,760 --> 06:27:05,600 crime, no matter how much you like it or 9764 06:27:03,600 --> 06:27:07,680 don't like it. And time and time again, 9765 06:27:05,600 --> 06:27:10,000 Florida State University has proven that 9766 06:27:07,680 --> 06:27:11,920 they do see the right to organize as a 9767 06:27:10,000 --> 06:27:14,160 crime. They criminalize and repress 9768 06:27:11,920 --> 06:27:17,680 protesters. And now Florida State 9769 06:27:14,160 --> 06:27:20,400 University students JJ Gluick and Kaden 9770 06:27:17,680 --> 06:27:22,000 Rosa face the potential of having, you 9771 06:27:20,400 --> 06:27:23,920 know, of being kicked off their own 9772 06:27:22,000 --> 06:27:25,680 campus for doing nothing more than 9773 06:27:23,920 --> 06:27:28,080 organizing against rape culture on 9774 06:27:25,680 --> 06:27:29,760 campus. Florida State University claims 9775 06:27:28,080 --> 06:27:33,120 that the real reason that this is 9776 06:27:29,760 --> 06:27:34,878 happening is because they quote unquote 9777 06:27:33,120 --> 06:27:36,798 harassed a member of campus, but this 9778 06:27:34,878 --> 06:27:39,840 isn't what's happened. Florida State 9779 06:27:36,798 --> 06:27:42,478 University students JJ Glue and Kaden 9780 06:27:39,840 --> 06:27:45,040 Rosa are fighting for justice. They are 9781 06:27:42,478 --> 06:27:47,440 organizers in our community who have 9782 06:27:45,040 --> 06:27:49,440 fought side by side to see improvements 9783 06:27:47,440 --> 06:27:51,440 in their school, in the lives of people 9784 06:27:49,440 --> 06:27:53,760 in their schools. Meanwhile, Florida 9785 06:27:51,440 --> 06:27:56,320 State University continues to suck up 9786 06:27:53,760 --> 06:27:58,958 more of the resources, energy, and life 9787 06:27:56,320 --> 06:28:00,240 of our city. They act like there's 9788 06:27:58,958 --> 06:28:01,760 nothing that can get them in trouble. 9789 06:28:00,240 --> 06:28:03,280 They act like they're invincible. And 9790 06:28:01,760 --> 06:28:04,958 that's because they are treated like 9791 06:28:03,280 --> 06:28:06,638 they are invincible. That's because our 9792 06:28:04,958 --> 06:28:08,878 city commission constantly bends over 9793 06:28:06,638 --> 06:28:11,760 backwards to give more funding, more 9794 06:28:08,878 --> 06:28:14,160 money, and more resources to Florida 9795 06:28:11,760 --> 06:28:15,520 State University. While Tallahassee 9796 06:28:14,160 --> 06:28:17,680 students and Tallahassee residents 9797 06:28:15,520 --> 06:28:20,000 starve, we lack access to the same 9798 06:28:17,680 --> 06:28:22,000 qualities, the same health care, the 9799 06:28:20,000 --> 06:28:24,558 same affordable rights, the same things 9800 06:28:22,000 --> 06:28:26,798 that can essentially help people in the 9801 06:28:24,558 --> 06:28:28,798 city live and thrive. So, I'm going to 9802 06:28:26,798 --> 06:28:30,798 say specifically to commissioners Porter 9803 06:28:28,798 --> 06:28:33,280 and Matt Low as commissioners who I 9804 06:28:30,798 --> 06:28:34,798 think are on a more progressive trend in 9805 06:28:33,280 --> 06:28:36,240 the city who have shown that they're 9806 06:28:34,798 --> 06:28:38,558 more willing to stand for more 9807 06:28:36,240 --> 06:28:41,040 substantive policy in the city. Speak 9808 06:28:38,558 --> 06:28:42,478 out publicly in favor of these two 9809 06:28:41,040 --> 06:28:44,080 students who are being repressed by 9810 06:28:42,478 --> 06:28:45,920 Florida State University. This 9811 06:28:44,080 --> 06:28:47,680 repression of the right to organize 9812 06:28:45,920 --> 06:28:50,878 affects all of us and affects you as 9813 06:28:47,680 --> 06:28:52,878 well because we know that Ronda Santz, 9814 06:28:50,878 --> 06:28:54,798 that Trump, that the other reactionaries 9815 06:28:52,878 --> 06:28:56,240 in power in our country are not just 9816 06:28:54,798 --> 06:28:58,080 going to start with targeting student 9817 06:28:56,240 --> 06:28:59,440 activism and end there. They're not just 9818 06:28:58,080 --> 06:29:00,478 going to target community activists. 9819 06:28:59,440 --> 06:29:02,240 They're not just going to target people 9820 06:29:00,478 --> 06:29:04,320 who are fighting on the streets. They're 9821 06:29:02,240 --> 06:29:05,920 going to target politicians as well. 9822 06:29:04,320 --> 06:29:08,718 They're going to use their power to 9823 06:29:05,920 --> 06:29:11,360 partisanly attack whoever they can. And 9824 06:29:08,718 --> 06:29:13,840 if you don't stand with JJ and Kaden, 9825 06:29:11,360 --> 06:29:16,000 they can't stand with you. But if you do 9826 06:29:13,840 --> 06:29:17,520 stand with the people and stand against 9827 06:29:16,000 --> 06:29:19,280 the attacks that we're seeing from 9828 06:29:17,520 --> 06:29:21,040 Dantis and the Trump administration and 9829 06:29:19,280 --> 06:29:23,040 Florida State University against 9830 06:29:21,040 --> 06:29:24,958 students doing nothing more than 9831 06:29:23,040 --> 06:29:26,958 fighting for their right to free speech, 9832 06:29:24,958 --> 06:29:29,360 then we will stand with you. For the 9833 06:29:26,958 --> 06:29:30,878 rest of you, I expect nothing. Let's 9834 06:29:29,360 --> 06:29:32,558 continue to organize and fight for 9835 06:29:30,878 --> 06:29:34,080 justice in our city and our community. 9836 06:29:32,558 --> 06:29:36,160 Florida State University does not 9837 06:29:34,080 --> 06:29:39,120 determine who has the right to speak. 9838 06:29:36,160 --> 06:29:41,280 The students do. 9839 06:29:39,120 --> 06:29:42,478 » The [applause] next speaker, please. I 9840 06:29:41,280 --> 06:29:44,718 have no further speakers. 9841 06:29:42,478 --> 06:29:47,520 » All right, we're on sharing of ideas. I 9842 06:29:44,718 --> 06:29:49,440 got nothing. Mayor Pro Tim, Commissioner 9843 06:29:47,520 --> 06:29:50,958 William Cox, Commissioner Matlo. 9844 06:29:49,440 --> 06:29:53,120 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. If I can just 9845 06:29:50,958 --> 06:29:57,040 address the three issues uh from public 9846 06:29:53,120 --> 06:29:59,200 speakers um on the track uses uh with 9847 06:29:57,040 --> 06:30:00,798 Leyon County Schools. It was mentioned I 9848 06:29:59,200 --> 06:30:03,040 guess the tracks have been shut down to 9849 06:30:00,798 --> 06:30:05,200 the general public. Uh my personal 9850 06:30:03,040 --> 06:30:07,760 opinion is the school board and 9851 06:30:05,200 --> 06:30:09,600 superintendent are asking us to renew a 9852 06:30:07,760 --> 06:30:11,440 property tax to go into infrastructure. 9853 06:30:09,600 --> 06:30:13,280 we all pay into that and those should be 9854 06:30:11,440 --> 06:30:15,600 accessible to the public within reason, 9855 06:30:13,280 --> 06:30:17,680 but I'm open to the idea of a shared use 9856 06:30:15,600 --> 06:30:20,160 agreement within reason to allow access 9857 06:30:17,680 --> 06:30:22,240 to the tracks again um for for city 9858 06:30:20,160 --> 06:30:24,718 residents. Uh so I'd like to move we 9859 06:30:22,240 --> 06:30:26,558 bring back an item um just contemplating 9860 06:30:24,718 --> 06:30:28,798 the idea of a shared use agreement with 9861 06:30:26,558 --> 06:30:32,240 Leyon County Schools to open the tracks. 9862 06:30:28,798 --> 06:30:36,320 » Motion on the table uh to enter into an 9863 06:30:32,240 --> 06:30:37,840 agreement with Leyon County Schools um 9864 06:30:36,320 --> 06:30:39,360 for shared use agreement for their 9865 06:30:37,840 --> 06:30:41,200 track. Is there a second to the motion? 9866 06:30:39,360 --> 06:30:43,600 » I'll second the motion, but a point of 9867 06:30:41,200 --> 06:30:45,360 clarification. It was I understood the 9868 06:30:43,600 --> 06:30:47,360 motion to be to have an item come back, 9869 06:30:45,360 --> 06:30:49,280 not to enter into a joint use agreement. 9870 06:30:47,360 --> 06:30:51,760 » Yeah. To have an item come back. Okay. I 9871 06:30:49,280 --> 06:30:53,520 I will respectfully definitely not be 9872 06:30:51,760 --> 06:30:55,440 supporting this motion. That is Leon 9873 06:30:53,520 --> 06:30:57,520 County School property. It should be 9874 06:30:55,440 --> 06:30:59,680 open to the public and the fact that 9875 06:30:57,520 --> 06:31:02,718 they are coming to us and they want us 9876 06:30:59,680 --> 06:31:03,920 to pay to have their track open for 9877 06:31:02,718 --> 06:31:06,080 public use. 9878 06:31:03,920 --> 06:31:07,840 » Uh we concentrate on our parks and 9879 06:31:06,080 --> 06:31:10,160 recreation. We have a joint use 9880 06:31:07,840 --> 06:31:11,760 agreement for when we operate like Taly 9881 06:31:10,160 --> 06:31:14,080 Parks and Recreation for like football 9882 06:31:11,760 --> 06:31:16,320 and stuff and that's a very successful 9883 06:31:14,080 --> 06:31:19,440 agreement at work. But for the shared 9884 06:31:16,320 --> 06:31:21,840 use of just maintaining their facility 9885 06:31:19,440 --> 06:31:23,440 for the track, I I can't go there. I I'm 9886 06:31:21,840 --> 06:31:25,360 not interested. That's their 9887 06:31:23,440 --> 06:31:27,600 responsibility and they need to take 9888 06:31:25,360 --> 06:31:29,120 care of business. Uh Commissioner 9889 06:31:27,600 --> 06:31:33,440 Williams Cox. 9890 06:31:29,120 --> 06:31:35,440 » Um and I I'll say this, I've said this 9891 06:31:33,440 --> 06:31:37,840 many times before. We have an agreement 9892 06:31:35,440 --> 06:31:39,600 with Leon with Leyon County Schools for 9893 06:31:37,840 --> 06:31:42,400 utilities. They owe us a million 9894 06:31:39,600 --> 06:31:43,760 dollars. We haven't gotten it. So, I 9895 06:31:42,400 --> 06:31:47,360 don't see how 9896 06:31:43,760 --> 06:31:48,958 » Yeah, for fire. I don't see how um doing 9897 06:31:47,360 --> 06:31:51,600 this type of agreement or having staff 9898 06:31:48,958 --> 06:31:52,798 spend time with this knowing that we've 9899 06:31:51,600 --> 06:31:55,600 got something with some real money on 9900 06:31:52,798 --> 06:31:57,520 the line and they have not they told us 9901 06:31:55,600 --> 06:32:00,000 they're not going to do it. So, I don't 9902 06:31:57,520 --> 06:32:03,040 I just don't see where we have leeway to 9903 06:32:00,000 --> 06:32:05,040 do to to do that. and having um gone to 9904 06:32:03,040 --> 06:32:06,718 the school board in the past many many 9905 06:32:05,040 --> 06:32:09,120 times to try to get a new high school 9906 06:32:06,718 --> 06:32:11,920 built on the south side of Tallahassee 9907 06:32:09,120 --> 06:32:14,160 um and it it didn't happen and and for 9908 06:32:11,920 --> 06:32:16,638 many reasons. I just don't see where 9909 06:32:14,160 --> 06:32:19,920 energy needs to be spent in doing that. 9910 06:32:16,638 --> 06:32:22,320 Now, of course, if we have the city has 9911 06:32:19,920 --> 06:32:24,718 u some facilities that can that are open 9912 06:32:22,320 --> 06:32:27,840 to the public, we can direct folks there 9913 06:32:24,718 --> 06:32:29,200 to to to get their exercise in. But I 9914 06:32:27,840 --> 06:32:31,680 just don't think we need to be dipping 9915 06:32:29,200 --> 06:32:33,520 into another uh governmental entity's uh 9916 06:32:31,680 --> 06:32:34,320 business, especially owe us a million 9917 06:32:33,520 --> 06:32:36,080 dollars. 9918 06:32:34,320 --> 06:32:37,280 » So uh motion on the table made by 9919 06:32:36,080 --> 06:32:38,718 Commissioner Matlo, second by 9920 06:32:37,280 --> 06:32:40,798 Commissioner Porter to bring back an 9921 06:32:38,718 --> 06:32:42,958 agenda item exploring the expansion of 9922 06:32:40,798 --> 06:32:45,280 the shared use agreement to include 9923 06:32:42,958 --> 06:32:48,718 public school tracks. All those in favor 9924 06:32:45,280 --> 06:32:51,680 signify by I'm sorry, Mayor Pro Tim. 9925 06:32:48,718 --> 06:32:54,718 Yeah. You know, just earlier tonight, we 9926 06:32:51,680 --> 06:32:57,360 passed an increase in our millage rate 9927 06:32:54,718 --> 06:32:58,400 and and a budget for the next fiscal 9928 06:32:57,360 --> 06:32:59,680 year. 9929 06:32:58,400 --> 06:33:01,440 » Nope. We 9930 06:32:59,680 --> 06:33:02,320 » Level millage rate, but it was an 9931 06:33:01,440 --> 06:33:05,280 increase in the budget 9932 06:33:02,320 --> 06:33:09,200 » In in the budget. And so now we're 9933 06:33:05,280 --> 06:33:11,360 talking about additional expense when we 9934 06:33:09,200 --> 06:33:13,760 don't know what amendment three is going 9935 06:33:11,360 --> 06:33:16,400 to look like. Correct. That 9936 06:33:13,760 --> 06:33:18,718 » Could could cost us money. schools are 9937 06:33:16,400 --> 06:33:20,000 exempt from the provisions of that 9938 06:33:18,718 --> 06:33:23,040 amendment. 9939 06:33:20,000 --> 06:33:27,440 » And uh I I just can't see us at this 9940 06:33:23,040 --> 06:33:31,600 point agreeing to pay the expenses 9941 06:33:27,440 --> 06:33:33,440 um to to have those facilities available 9942 06:33:31,600 --> 06:33:36,240 to the public. I I think it's a 9943 06:33:33,440 --> 06:33:42,160 responsibility of the school district 9944 06:33:36,240 --> 06:33:45,040 and they should find the funds to uh to 9945 06:33:42,160 --> 06:33:48,240 make those facilities available to the 9946 06:33:45,040 --> 06:33:49,520 public as they have in the past. 9947 06:33:48,240 --> 06:33:51,200 » Yeah. All those in favor of the motion 9948 06:33:49,520 --> 06:33:53,280 on the table. Uh Commissioner Porter. 9949 06:33:51,200 --> 06:33:55,760 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I I'll just add 9950 06:33:53,280 --> 06:33:59,360 that we don't really know what it would 9951 06:33:55,760 --> 06:34:01,920 cost and so that's why I support support 9952 06:33:59,360 --> 06:34:02,638 this motion. I for it to come back to 9953 06:34:01,920 --> 06:34:04,320 us. 9954 06:34:02,638 --> 06:34:05,200 » All those in favor of something. 9955 06:34:04,320 --> 06:34:06,718 » Commissioner Matlo. 9956 06:34:05,200 --> 06:34:09,280 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. And so just for 9957 06:34:06,718 --> 06:34:11,280 clarification, what public tracks are 9958 06:34:09,280 --> 06:34:12,718 available through the city of 9959 06:34:11,280 --> 06:34:15,760 Tallahassee to city of Tallahassee 9960 06:34:12,718 --> 06:34:16,000 residents? Mr. Mander, 9961 06:34:15,760 --> 06:34:18,000 Mr. 9962 06:34:16,000 --> 06:34:20,478 » Mayor, I don't I don't know. I I'd have 9963 06:34:18,000 --> 06:34:21,920 to get information on that. I could 9964 06:34:20,478 --> 06:34:22,478 » I I don't believe there are any city 9965 06:34:21,920 --> 06:34:24,400 tracks. 9966 06:34:22,478 --> 06:34:26,958 » Uh well, we got Cascades Park, which is 9967 06:34:24,400 --> 06:34:28,638 a 3.2 mile track around the holding 9968 06:34:26,958 --> 06:34:30,958 facility. It's not the traditional track 9969 06:34:28,638 --> 06:34:33,280 of what you're thinking of of track and 9970 06:34:30,958 --> 06:34:35,680 field. We also maintain how many 9971 06:34:33,280 --> 06:34:36,558 hundreds of miles of greenways and 9972 06:34:35,680 --> 06:34:38,878 trails and 9973 06:34:36,558 --> 06:34:40,878 » In the city it's over 70 miles 9974 06:34:38,878 --> 06:34:41,760 » 70 miles and then including with the 9975 06:34:40,878 --> 06:34:43,360 county 9976 06:34:41,760 --> 06:34:45,040 » We have more much more 9977 06:34:43,360 --> 06:34:47,600 » And we have and we have parks. I mean, 9978 06:34:45,040 --> 06:34:50,878 you are correct. We do not uh to my 9979 06:34:47,600 --> 06:34:54,080 knowledge operate the traditional track 9980 06:34:50,878 --> 06:34:56,000 » That a high school does, but we do offer 9981 06:34:54,080 --> 06:34:58,558 plenty of municipal facilities to be 9982 06:34:56,000 --> 06:35:00,958 able to get out, run, and get exercise. 9983 06:34:58,558 --> 06:35:03,440 Again, I strongly believe it is a county 9984 06:35:00,958 --> 06:35:05,040 facility. The the I mean the schoolboard 9985 06:35:03,440 --> 06:35:08,160 facility, the school board needs to find 9986 06:35:05,040 --> 06:35:11,040 a way through their budget to keep their 9987 06:35:08,160 --> 06:35:14,240 facility open and we do not need to be 9988 06:35:11,040 --> 06:35:16,000 maintaining their tracks. Period. Okay, 9989 06:35:14,240 --> 06:35:18,558 motion on the table. All those in favor 9990 06:35:16,000 --> 06:35:20,958 of the motion signify by saying I. I. I. 9991 06:35:18,558 --> 06:35:22,718 » All those opposed. I. And it fails. Two 9992 06:35:20,958 --> 06:35:24,000 to three. With the mayor, mayor pro Tim 9993 06:35:22,718 --> 06:35:25,680 and commissioner Williams Cox and 9994 06:35:24,000 --> 06:35:26,878 descent. Commissioner Matlo and 9995 06:35:25,680 --> 06:35:28,160 Commissioner Porter in favor. 9996 06:35:26,878 --> 06:35:29,680 Commissioner Matlo, you have the floor. 9997 06:35:28,160 --> 06:35:31,600 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So then I'd like 9998 06:35:29,680 --> 06:35:34,958 to move that we bring back an agenda 9999 06:35:31,600 --> 06:35:37,360 item uh outlining the public facilities 10000 06:35:34,958 --> 06:35:39,920 available for track and field to the 10001 06:35:37,360 --> 06:35:40,320 city Tallahassee residents. 10002 06:35:39,920 --> 06:35:43,360 » Second. 10003 06:35:40,320 --> 06:35:45,040 » Sure. Uh, isn't that part of the annual 10004 06:35:43,360 --> 06:35:46,958 report that we produce every year 10005 06:35:45,040 --> 06:35:49,958 through parks and recreation? What we 10006 06:35:46,958 --> 06:35:49,958 maintain? 10007 06:35:50,080 --> 06:35:54,400 » Yeah, I I believe the commissioner just 10008 06:35:52,558 --> 06:35:56,080 said track and field and I think I think 10009 06:35:54,400 --> 06:35:57,680 y'all just established that we don't do 10010 06:35:56,080 --> 06:35:59,840 track and field. Maybe I'm 10011 06:35:57,680 --> 06:36:02,080 misunderstanding the question. 10012 06:35:59,840 --> 06:36:04,478 » We have walking and track and field 10013 06:36:02,080 --> 06:36:05,360 being distinct, I guess. 10014 06:36:04,478 --> 06:36:06,958 » Is that the question? 10015 06:36:05,360 --> 06:36:08,878 » Yeah. I mean, the mayor's assertion was 10016 06:36:06,958 --> 06:36:10,000 that there's plenty of ways to engage in 10017 06:36:08,878 --> 06:36:11,440 that activity. So, I mean, we can 10018 06:36:10,000 --> 06:36:13,360 outline the difference between track and 10019 06:36:11,440 --> 06:36:15,360 field tracks that are available, what it 10020 06:36:13,360 --> 06:36:16,798 would take to create a track for the 10021 06:36:15,360 --> 06:36:19,920 cost to create a track for city of 10022 06:36:16,798 --> 06:36:21,280 Tallahassee residents. Um, an idea of 10023 06:36:19,920 --> 06:36:24,080 what that would cost if we wanted to add 10024 06:36:21,280 --> 06:36:27,200 that into the budget. 10025 06:36:24,080 --> 06:36:28,718 Okay. motion on the table to uh bring 10026 06:36:27,200 --> 06:36:30,558 back an item to explore the opportunity 10027 06:36:28,718 --> 06:36:32,400 of I I don't even want to go down this 10028 06:36:30,558 --> 06:36:35,200 road to be quite honest with you at this 10029 06:36:32,400 --> 06:36:37,040 point with uh trying to build a tracking 10030 06:36:35,200 --> 06:36:38,958 facility 10031 06:36:37,040 --> 06:36:41,040 when we have such a tight budget and 10032 06:36:38,958 --> 06:36:43,840 amendment three is coming down the pipe. 10033 06:36:41,040 --> 06:36:46,320 I just don't know if it's 10034 06:36:43,840 --> 06:36:48,400 worth using staff time to track that. If 10035 06:36:46,320 --> 06:36:50,320 you if you want just a list of the parks 10036 06:36:48,400 --> 06:36:52,798 and recck facilities, we have that on 10037 06:36:50,320 --> 06:36:56,080 the website and then the annual report. 10038 06:36:52,798 --> 06:36:58,080 We do not have a traditional track in 10039 06:36:56,080 --> 06:37:01,680 the sense of what the schools are 10040 06:36:58,080 --> 06:37:04,080 operating. So outside of exploring the 10041 06:37:01,680 --> 06:37:06,080 creation of a track that is municipally 10042 06:37:04,080 --> 06:37:08,798 owned and operated, 10043 06:37:06,080 --> 06:37:11,360 the information's there. Commissioner 10044 06:37:08,798 --> 06:37:12,638 Matlo, it could all be provided in 10045 06:37:11,360 --> 06:37:13,120 agenda item. That's the motion. 10046 06:37:12,638 --> 06:37:14,638 » Okay. 10047 06:37:13,120 --> 06:37:17,600 » What was the motion? Could you restate 10048 06:37:14,638 --> 06:37:20,878 the motion? uh to bring back an uh 10049 06:37:17,600 --> 06:37:23,120 agenda item illustrating track and field 10050 06:37:20,878 --> 06:37:24,718 opportunities for city of Tallahassee uh 10051 06:37:23,120 --> 06:37:26,160 residents and field facilities that are 10052 06:37:24,718 --> 06:37:27,280 operated for that. 10053 06:37:26,160 --> 06:37:28,478 » Okay, that activity. 10054 06:37:27,280 --> 06:37:29,840 » All those in favor of the motion on the 10055 06:37:28,478 --> 06:37:30,400 table signify by saying I 10056 06:37:29,840 --> 06:37:31,680 » I. 10057 06:37:30,400 --> 06:37:33,280 » All those opposed. I 10058 06:37:31,680 --> 06:37:34,878 » Motion fails two to three with the 10059 06:37:33,280 --> 06:37:36,240 mayor, mayor proim and commissioner 10060 06:37:34,878 --> 06:37:38,958 Williams Cox and descent commissioner 10061 06:37:36,240 --> 06:37:40,080 Williams Cox point. I I I think it's an 10062 06:37:38,958 --> 06:37:42,160 easy list to provide. 10063 06:37:40,080 --> 06:37:44,240 » Yeah. I mean online 10064 06:37:42,160 --> 06:37:45,440 » I wouldn't want to spend staff time 10065 06:37:44,240 --> 06:37:47,760 doing what we could do. 10066 06:37:45,440 --> 06:37:48,558 » Correct. Correct. Commissioner Matley, 10067 06:37:47,760 --> 06:37:51,520 you have the floor. 10068 06:37:48,558 --> 06:37:53,760 » Uh thank you. Um I know game day traffic 10069 06:37:51,520 --> 06:37:56,000 routes was mentioned and it's changed a 10070 06:37:53,760 --> 06:37:57,440 million times over over my life. I don't 10071 06:37:56,000 --> 06:37:58,878 pretend to understand the different 10072 06:37:57,440 --> 06:38:01,920 reasonings for that, but if staff could 10073 06:37:58,878 --> 06:38:03,920 just provide an update um by email of 10074 06:38:01,920 --> 06:38:06,080 the traffic patterns, how they're 10075 06:38:03,920 --> 06:38:09,040 measured, their efficiencies are are are 10076 06:38:06,080 --> 06:38:13,120 measured just for better understanding. 10077 06:38:09,040 --> 06:38:14,798 So, um, am I correct in assuming that 10078 06:38:13,120 --> 06:38:17,360 it's actually Florida State University 10079 06:38:14,798 --> 06:38:19,360 that contracts with Talis Police 10080 06:38:17,360 --> 06:38:22,000 Department and all the other agencies 10081 06:38:19,360 --> 06:38:24,478 for game day traffic because every year 10082 06:38:22,000 --> 06:38:26,718 that's a big contract negotiation that 10083 06:38:24,478 --> 06:38:30,400 goes through. So, Florida State would be 10084 06:38:26,718 --> 06:38:31,440 the point person on the traffic patterns 10085 06:38:30,400 --> 06:38:34,400 per se. I 10086 06:38:31,440 --> 06:38:37,520 » No, I I Mr. Mayor, you're right. So the 10087 06:38:34,400 --> 06:38:39,360 TPD provides a little over 100 officers, 10088 06:38:37,520 --> 06:38:39,760 but it takes much more than that. 10089 06:38:39,360 --> 06:38:42,798 » Sure. 10090 06:38:39,760 --> 06:38:44,478 » So FSU contracts with TPD and the other 10091 06:38:42,798 --> 06:38:46,080 agencies. Sheriff's office does 10092 06:38:44,478 --> 06:38:49,120 different functions. 10093 06:38:46,080 --> 06:38:52,958 » Um the traffic management I do believe 10094 06:38:49,120 --> 06:38:54,958 TPD um can provide the details that of 10095 06:38:52,958 --> 06:38:56,240 the flow of traffic kind of where the 10096 06:38:54,958 --> 06:38:58,878 streets are blocked and those kind of 10097 06:38:56,240 --> 06:39:02,320 things. It's manned and operated by a 10098 06:38:58,878 --> 06:39:05,040 collection of officers, you know, that's 10099 06:39:02,320 --> 06:39:06,958 through FSU. But but I I do believe that 10100 06:39:05,040 --> 06:39:08,718 TPD could provide the the flow of 10101 06:39:06,958 --> 06:39:11,120 traffic pattern. 10102 06:39:08,718 --> 06:39:13,840 » Okay. If that helps. 10103 06:39:11,120 --> 06:39:15,600 » For the record, I am comfortable with my 10104 06:39:13,840 --> 06:39:17,360 pattern in and out and I park at the 10105 06:39:15,600 --> 06:39:19,680 Southern Scholarship Foundation. I don't 10106 06:39:17,360 --> 06:39:22,638 have any special parking or anything. Uh 10107 06:39:19,680 --> 06:39:24,558 but you want to have a briefing on the 10108 06:39:22,638 --> 06:39:25,920 traffic pattern of game day. Yeah, it 10109 06:39:24,558 --> 06:39:29,680 can just be an email of 10110 06:39:25,920 --> 06:39:30,878 » Oh, an email or how it was decided uh 10111 06:39:29,680 --> 06:39:32,000 what the implications are, the 10112 06:39:30,878 --> 06:39:32,718 efficiencies of it. Just those 10113 06:39:32,000 --> 06:39:34,400 questions. 10114 06:39:32,718 --> 06:39:36,478 » That'd be helpful. I'm not familiar with 10115 06:39:34,400 --> 06:39:38,160 the ride share spots and and how they 10116 06:39:36,478 --> 06:39:39,600 coordinate that. I'd be curious on that 10117 06:39:38,160 --> 06:39:41,760 as well. Commissioner Williams, 10118 06:39:39,600 --> 06:39:45,680 » On that on point there, I think it needs 10119 06:39:41,760 --> 06:39:49,440 to be also considered by everybody that 10120 06:39:45,680 --> 06:39:52,798 it is not a good idea to have two games 10121 06:39:49,440 --> 06:39:55,920 on the same day at the same time. 10122 06:39:52,798 --> 06:39:58,320 That is where the problem is. Many times 10123 06:39:55,920 --> 06:39:59,680 it stretches our law enforcement. I 10124 06:39:58,320 --> 06:40:01,520 don't care what kind of traffic plans 10125 06:39:59,680 --> 06:40:04,798 you may have. But when you're trying to 10126 06:40:01,520 --> 06:40:05,840 manage FAMU and FSU uh football games at 10127 06:40:04,798 --> 06:40:08,000 the same time and understand it's going 10128 06:40:05,840 --> 06:40:10,718 to happen another time this this season. 10129 06:40:08,000 --> 06:40:13,120 » So if we just buckle up buttercup 10130 06:40:10,718 --> 06:40:15,200 » And because it's it's it's it's not 10131 06:40:13,120 --> 06:40:16,718 good. It's really not good. So getting 10132 06:40:15,200 --> 06:40:19,440 that information would be good, but I 10133 06:40:16,718 --> 06:40:21,040 don't know how what it's going to do. 10134 06:40:19,440 --> 06:40:21,040 » We will have it. Do do do do do do do do 10135 06:40:21,040 --> 06:40:21,120 do do do do do do do do do do do do do 10136 06:40:21,040 --> 06:40:21,840 do do do do do do do do do do do do do 10137 06:40:21,120 --> 06:40:23,920 do do do do do do do do you need an 10138 06:40:21,840 --> 06:40:26,240 email I mean do you need motion for an 10139 06:40:23,920 --> 06:40:27,360 email we'll we'll email 10140 06:40:26,240 --> 06:40:28,638 » Send us Yeah. 10141 06:40:27,360 --> 06:40:29,840 » Okay. All right. Sounds good. 10142 06:40:28,638 --> 06:40:31,600 Commissioner Mer you have the floor. 10143 06:40:29,840 --> 06:40:33,760 » Uh thank you. And and the final speaker 10144 06:40:31,600 --> 06:40:35,840 mentioned the change in the chargers for 10145 06:40:33,760 --> 06:40:38,878 Nissan Leafs. 10146 06:40:35,840 --> 06:40:40,478 Have we changed those or how? 10147 06:40:38,878 --> 06:40:42,400 We'll we'll look at that. That was an 10148 06:40:40,478 --> 06:40:44,478 interesting comment he had. He has an 10149 06:40:42,400 --> 06:40:47,200 old style charger. I think that was 10150 06:40:44,478 --> 06:40:49,680 understood from his description. 10151 06:40:47,200 --> 06:40:51,760 the chargers we put in at Cascades had 10152 06:40:49,680 --> 06:40:53,280 that older plug and had been upgraded to 10153 06:40:51,760 --> 06:40:54,638 the more current plug 10154 06:40:53,280 --> 06:40:57,120 » Because of demand. 10155 06:40:54,638 --> 06:40:59,120 » We just the way the cars are. I think I 10156 06:40:57,120 --> 06:41:00,718 think what you heard him describe was he 10157 06:40:59,120 --> 06:41:02,558 has a Nissan Leaf that has a very 10158 06:41:00,718 --> 06:41:03,920 specific one, but we'll take a look at 10159 06:41:02,558 --> 06:41:05,920 it. I think that was a good comment in 10160 06:41:03,920 --> 06:41:07,440 terms of availability in terms of the 10161 06:41:05,920 --> 06:41:11,760 stations we have because we've got the 10162 06:41:07,440 --> 06:41:13,760 one um uh at Van Beern and we're 10163 06:41:11,760 --> 06:41:16,160 building the one on Orange Avenue. So, 10164 06:41:13,760 --> 06:41:17,680 um we'll see what we can do. I don't I 10165 06:41:16,160 --> 06:41:20,638 don't know how that works, right? The 10166 06:41:17,680 --> 06:41:22,638 adapter, but we'll certainly look into 10167 06:41:20,638 --> 06:41:23,360 that. Okay. Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. 10168 06:41:22,638 --> 06:41:24,478 Nothing further, 10169 06:41:23,360 --> 06:41:26,478 » Mr. Porter. 10170 06:41:24,478 --> 06:41:28,080 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just have one 10171 06:41:26,478 --> 06:41:29,600 item. 10172 06:41:28,080 --> 06:41:31,680 Um, 10173 06:41:29,600 --> 06:41:34,320 I would like to make a motion, and I'm 10174 06:41:31,680 --> 06:41:36,878 not sure exactly 10175 06:41:34,320 --> 06:41:38,958 the best way to do this, but that we I 10176 06:41:36,878 --> 06:41:40,798 think it's important that we do 10177 06:41:38,958 --> 06:41:44,000 something to recognize the historic 10178 06:41:40,798 --> 06:41:46,000 significance of West Virginia Street um, 10179 06:41:44,000 --> 06:41:47,200 and Frenchtown as a safe haven for black 10180 06:41:46,000 --> 06:41:49,120 travelers. I think that was something 10181 06:41:47,200 --> 06:41:51,600 that seemed important to the people 10182 06:41:49,120 --> 06:41:54,160 there. Um, and for the record, I spoke 10183 06:41:51,600 --> 06:41:55,760 to Reverend Holmes and he would have 10184 06:41:54,160 --> 06:41:59,120 happily accepted the Bernau Street 10185 06:41:55,760 --> 06:42:00,958 renaming. Um but since we didn't go in 10186 06:41:59,120 --> 06:42:04,798 that direction, I think it would be 10187 06:42:00,958 --> 06:42:07,600 important um if there is a way to to 10188 06:42:04,798 --> 06:42:10,958 preserve that history that we that we 10189 06:42:07,600 --> 06:42:12,798 do. So so whether I don't know what what 10190 06:42:10,958 --> 06:42:14,718 options there are, but that would 10191 06:42:12,798 --> 06:42:16,000 » I don't know if there's any insight from 10192 06:42:14,718 --> 06:42:17,680 the the manager. 10193 06:42:16,000 --> 06:42:20,638 » I would second that motion. that I did 10194 06:42:17,680 --> 06:42:23,040 have some follow-up conversation um with 10195 06:42:20,638 --> 06:42:24,400 u Miss Miss Daryl Scott and with Miss 10196 06:42:23,040 --> 06:42:27,680 Maisha Mitchell 10197 06:42:24,400 --> 06:42:31,040 » And uh offered the possibility of having 10198 06:42:27,680 --> 06:42:34,160 um um something that that says formerly 10199 06:42:31,040 --> 06:42:36,878 known as as well as having a marker that 10200 06:42:34,160 --> 06:42:39,200 would identify all of the those 10201 06:42:36,878 --> 06:42:41,520 historical uh businesses or entities 10202 06:42:39,200 --> 06:42:42,320 that were there on on that on those 10203 06:42:41,520 --> 06:42:43,760 streets. 10204 06:42:42,320 --> 06:42:46,160 » All those in favor of the motion on the 10205 06:42:43,760 --> 06:42:48,000 table signify by saying I. All those 10206 06:42:46,160 --> 06:42:49,200 opposed passes unanimously. Commissioner 10207 06:42:48,000 --> 06:42:50,400 Porter, you have the floor. 10208 06:42:49,200 --> 06:42:53,878 » Thank you. That's all for me. 10209 06:42:50,400 --> 06:42:53,878 » We stand ajourned.