1 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,559 Good evening everyone. Welcome to the Mar and City Council Workshop Wednesday, 2 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:40,440 September 9th, 2026. If you'd please stand with me for the pledge of 3 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,440 » allegiance 4 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:54,879 to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it 5 00:00:50,239 --> 00:00:58,760 stands one nation under God indivisibley and justice for all. 6 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:07,840 Please show all council members present. Um, up next we have review of the 7 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:12,640 minutes. Review of the minutes from August 17th, 2026 combined meeting. Is 8 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:17,600 there any questions, comments, concerns from council regarding that 9 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,119 hearing? None. I'm proceeding forward to public hearing ordinance 10-2026 10 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,880 accessory dwelling units. I'm opening up for public the public hearing and will 11 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,400 be open till the end of this meeting. If you have something you'd like to say in 12 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:33,119 in regards to accessory drawing units, please uh raise your hand. I'll ask you 13 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:36,320 to come to the podium. Um other than that, I am heading down to council 14 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:39,520 member statement regarding conflicts of interest on agenda items. Would any 15 00:01:37,759 --> 00:01:42,520 council members like to make a statement today? 16 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:48,159 Hearing none, I am proceeding forward to public comment pertaining to agenda 17 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,720 non-aggenda items. To comment on a specific item after has been discussed 18 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,360 by council, please assign up with the city clerk and you'll be asked to come 19 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:57,799 forward at the appropriate time. Is there anybody who would like to make 20 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,799 public comment today? 21 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,520 » Okay. So, like on a specific item, >> I have I have several I have several 22 00:02:10,239 --> 00:02:14,800 questions concerning I'm doing an article on quality of life in small 23 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,520 towns in >> Okay. 24 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:22,319 » And I have some questions concerning issues. 25 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,720 » Okay. Okay. Um, did you want to did you want to do that 26 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,840 now? >> Yeah, we can we can do that now. 27 00:02:41,519 --> 00:02:48,239 » Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the city of Tony Town. My name is Eric 28 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:53,519 Bender. I am representing the Emittsburg News Journal as an investigative 29 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:59,440 reporter. I'm doing a uh story on quality of life in small towns in the in 30 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:06,080 state of Maryland. And I have several questions um concerning uh issues around 31 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:10,159 the city of Tony Town. Um one of them is is we kind of get the feeling that the 32 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:16,000 city doesn't care about senior citizens and children. Um, the Maryland 33 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:21,599 Department of Environment has had on the law on on the books for years concerning 34 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:26,400 the storage of tires outside collecting rainwater. Now, I'm sure many of you 35 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:32,400 know that mosquitoes can breed inside tires. And there's a lot of diseases 36 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:37,519 that elderly people are susceptible for. And by eliminating standing water, 37 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:43,040 especially in used tires, uh we can reduce the possibility of senior 38 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:50,640 citizens getting sick and dying. Um the other issue is this goes back 39 00:03:46,959 --> 00:03:56,000 my my time in school. Maryland state law requires children 16 and under to wear 40 00:03:53,519 --> 00:04:01,040 protective head devices. I see kids riding around town all the 41 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:07,840 time without any protective devices on their head. Um that's an issue. Uh we've 42 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:12,000 had a lot of instances where bicycles and automobiles have been colliding 43 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:17,199 recently. Uh I don't think the recent incident I don't believe that kid had a 44 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:21,519 helmet on. So that's those are those are issues that can be prevented very 45 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:26,160 easily. Um one of the other issues that I that I've noticed about is uh there 46 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:32,720 was a period of time where permits were required for fencing. Um, a business in 47 00:04:29,919 --> 00:04:38,560 Tony Town pointed out another business uh putting up a fence. Their permit 48 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:44,479 expired and then they uh had to be re reissued a permit to build the fence. 49 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:48,960 The fence still wasn't completed. My my issue is is maybe if the city had 50 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:52,800 followed through and made sure that that fence was completed, then Tony Town 51 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:57,600 Collision would have had a proper storage yard and that precious school 52 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:01,520 bus wouldn't have been vandalized or whatever and that 11-year-old kid 53 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:08,240 wouldn't become a issue for the town as it is right now. Um, the other issues 54 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:14,720 that we have is lighting. Maryland state highway has required requirements for 55 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:20,000 lighting along the right ofways along state roads. Maryland 140 is a state 56 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,960 highway. Correct. >> Correct. 57 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:30,560 » Okay. Do you think that the light at Bissimos and the lights at uh at uh at 58 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:33,919 Hedelbridal Insurance are doing good to the benefit of the people driving or are 59 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,960 they blinding people when they're driving? 60 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,479 I don't notice them in particular when I'm driving by. 61 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:47,280 » I I I you should uh look at the at the zoning laws. The lighting trespass onto 62 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:50,400 the highway blinding people is an issue. It is a 63 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,600 » I drive I drive it at night both to and from work many many times. I've never 64 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:59,199 noticed it an issue. >> I also drive it right. Um it is it is in 65 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:04,000 violation. If you go by Jarball down in Westminster on 140 there, those lights 66 00:06:01,919 --> 00:06:10,479 blind you. Also, there's there's several issues on that. Um, there's also 67 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:15,360 Maryland State Highway has uh laws about signage, illegal signs 68 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:20,639 along the state highway roads. Now, as many of you know, I'm going around and 69 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:26,960 I'm putting stickers on signs, trying to prompt people to complain, to enforce 70 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:31,199 the law because several years ago, I went around Carroll County and pulled up 71 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:35,440 every single sign and put it in front of the county office building. I got called 72 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:40,240 into the commissioner's office. I pointed out the law. Now, the city, any 73 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:46,160 municipality, according to the way that the law is written, can be collecting a 74 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:51,360 $25 fine per sign. Now, since I have made the city aware of this 75 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:56,639 many, many years ago, I have emails dating all the way back to 2011. 76 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:01,120 Um, how much money has the city collected at $25 per sign? 77 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:02,880 » I couldn't tell you. The city's goal isn't to collect money off of signs, 78 00:07:02,479 --> 00:07:07,039 though. >> Yeah. See, it's a with revenue being 79 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:11,520 tight and everything, that would be a good way to bring in some revenue for 80 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:16,960 the city and also enforcing our quality of life and not let letting us look like 81 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:20,880 Montgomery County. I've noticed several things where the redu Carol County is 82 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:24,639 starting to look like McGomery County and and not only here in city of 83 00:07:22,479 --> 00:07:29,680 Tonytown. I'm also going to be hitting Westminster uh city government also and 84 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:34,000 pointing out about the signage also. But I don't expect any answers for any of 85 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:38,800 these uh for for this evening. Um I know I've given you guys a lot. Uh but if you 86 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:43,919 want to get back to me, um I'll I'll I'll forward Clara my email address at 87 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:49,360 the Emittsburg News Journal once I once I get everything set up over there. Uh 88 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:55,039 my this is my first gig, so you guys are my my in my inaugural uh bantering, I 89 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,000 guess. I don't know. So, but I do appreciate your time and I I thank every 90 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,879 one of you. >> Sounds good. I'll have them share with 91 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,759 council and I know council has comments, question, concerns. 92 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,319 » I I wrote down a few questions right off the bat. Were the tires on private 93 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,080 property or government? >> No, they're business properties. It's um 94 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,919 » that's still private property though. >> But a business operating has to has to 95 00:08:12,479 --> 00:08:17,520 operate under Maryland laws, environmental laws. 96 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,960 » And then with the uh the bike helmets, I thought that was a state law already 97 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:23,680 that they're under 16. >> 16 and under. 98 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,000 » And it's definitely being enforced by our police. So like what's your what's 99 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,759 your >> Iame you just drive around town and 100 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,680 you'll see kids >> I was driving for my wife like 101 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:38,399 what but like if >> but do you think it's city government 102 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:42,399 responsibility for kids I guess Kevin Lynch who fell off of his bicycle 103 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:46,800 and was brain damaged and passed away at the age of 22 because of 104 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:51,200 » I get I I get that and like I sympathize with that like my but my question on 105 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:55,680 that one is is again our our police do enforce helmet activity already. What 106 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:57,680 are you like what I what are you trying to 107 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,480 » Well, how many how many fines have been issued for children? 108 00:08:58,959 --> 00:09:05,680 » We're not going to find children for for helmets. That's not that's never going 109 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:09,120 to happen. But like they they go around and make sure that that the ones that 110 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:13,200 they see are wearing are wearing helmets. 111 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:16,160 » Yeah, we had a whole workshop. >> I would I would burn this building to 112 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:18,399 the ground before we start finding kids for helmet violations. That's crazy. 113 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,519 » Okay. >> But but I mean that's it's an 114 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,800 enforcement thing that that we definitely do. Well, that's 115 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:29,600 » I can tell you that personally I've witnessed plenty of officers 116 00:09:27,839 --> 00:09:31,680 in the middle of a little crowd of kids with no helmets on giving them a 117 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,320 lecture. >> Well, also like like around the 118 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:38,480 skateboard park and stuff like that. I've seen also around the I mean I know 119 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,399 he does his job. I I know he does his job and they can't be everywhere at 120 00:09:39,839 --> 00:09:43,519 every >> I mean I've seen my the police 121 00:09:41,839 --> 00:09:46,720 department through my town roll their window down and just ask a kid who's 122 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:50,959 running to put his helmet on. I mean they are communicated about the 123 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:55,120 importance of it but going back to Councilman Kalan is what are we going to 124 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:59,920 find the children or we find the adults? educate them and if they choose to 125 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:02,880 ignore us, that's very sad. But we're trying to tell them to wear helmets, 126 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:06,240 » right? And I don't mean the ultimate result is to find the parents 127 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,760 » and and we're also we're also in talks to try and get the police to go into the 128 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,800 schools to start doing like bicycle helmet safety like all this stuff. Like 129 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,920 there's stuff that we're trying to do because like we agree that it's a 130 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:21,600 problem, but we don't we don't want to go crazy here either. Like again to me 131 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:25,600 bananas to to be talking about about finding children for not wearing 132 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,240 helmets. I'm 65 years old and this law has been on the books since the late 133 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,519 '7s. >> Right. 134 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,120 » Yeah. And kids have been not wearing helmets since then. I'm going to tell 135 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:37,279 you again. I was one of those kids. >> I was a dip, too. 136 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:40,399 » I wrote a hel after after Kevin got brain damaged. I wore a helmet. 137 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:43,600 » Yeah. And that's I'm going to tell you makes sense, you know, because examples 138 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,959 would be good. I get it. >> Local government's not going to somehow 139 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,160 make everybody wear helmets. I mean, that's just not 140 00:10:47,839 --> 00:10:50,399 » No, >> that's not going to happen. Again, 141 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,800 that's an individual responsibility for the most part. 142 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:57,279 » No. But on on the other end of it and and I think uh legal counsel might 143 00:10:54,560 --> 00:11:01,760 agree. I think that keeping it posted regularly about this helmet laws might 144 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:05,279 alleviate any future situations for future lawsuits for people saying well I 145 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:08,079 didn't know because that's going to be their excuse. 146 00:11:06,079 --> 00:11:12,320 » Everybody knows everybody knows it's been around since 147 00:11:10,959 --> 00:11:14,800 everybody knows they're just choosing not to do it. 148 00:11:12,959 --> 00:11:17,279 » You got to got to make sure you cia yourselves. So 149 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,079 » Eric, would you you know I said you're an investigative journalist for 150 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,920 Emittsburg News. I mean, would you be opposed to writing an article about the 151 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:28,000 importance of safety and helmets? >> I'd love to. If you guys would be if you 152 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:34,079 guys want to do that, I can and I can bring I can put out personal examples of 153 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:39,440 of people that I know that have brain injuries and are disabled because of not 154 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:42,399 wearing a helmet. And it's a shame, you know, but uh but yeah, I'd be more than 155 00:11:40,959 --> 00:11:46,800 happy. I can I could do something on that end. I'd say that that'd be a lot 156 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:51,360 more positive than coming in uh with both barrels uh firing on how the town 157 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:56,880 doesn't care about seniors and kids. >> About children. Yeah. Like 158 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:00,560 I take that was pretty good. I take I get it. It got my attention, but like 159 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:04,240 I've got kids too, brother. Like I care about my kids. I take exception to the 160 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:08,399 entire the entire tone of the questioning. But that's me. 161 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:12,959 » House Bill 289 is is concerning the law for the uh for the signage along the 162 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:15,360 highway. And I can uh and then the uh well that's air quality and I can 163 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:20,560 forward the >> you said along the highway. If we don't 164 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:25,839 own the road, wouldn't that fall under the municipality of which the road goes 165 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:30,240 through? So 140 is technically the state highway, but any signage along there 166 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:34,639 that you pulled up, you can collect a $25 fine per sign. 167 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,200 » I mean, if state if State Highway wants the signs up, State Highway can come get 168 00:12:36,079 --> 00:12:40,240 the signs up, right? >> What's that? the state highway wants the 169 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,120 signs up, they can come get the signs up, right? 170 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,680 » They they can. Yes. But then again, >> it's their it's their road, so if they 171 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:48,480 want those signs up, they can come get those signs up. 172 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:52,639 » Well, they can, but it's also $25 that the city could be getting per sign. And 173 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:55,440 I I mean, I saw about 85. I mean, I saw about $125 sitting around town right 174 00:12:55,040 --> 00:13:00,399 now. >> Um just just for my own edification, was 175 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,880 that $25 a state law or a city law? >> It's state law. 176 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:06,959 » Then we don't get that. >> Uh it's any municipality. Any 177 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,079 municipality that enforces the law can collect the fine. That's why they that's 178 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,560 why they wrote it that way. >> What's their What's their mechanism for 179 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:16,800 collecting the fine? >> What I I'm not sure. I I didn't get that 180 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:20,480 far into the legality of it. I can research it and forward it to you. 181 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:23,920 » For $25, wouldn't our officer have to spend at least a half an hour to 182 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:27,120 processing to be orally an hour. So then we're spending more money than we'll 183 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:29,200 collect in the said fine. >> Well, I mean, 184 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:32,880 » you got to identify the person. You got to send out a notice up by somebody who 185 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,560 didn't authorize and they didn't know about it. We wouldn't we want to give 186 00:13:34,079 --> 00:13:39,200 him >> a really good point. This 187 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:41,040 » almost signs down. Trust me. >> Okay. 188 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:44,800 » You know, I mean, design associates right over there. He sells signs also. 189 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,880 And you know, we we could find out who's who's who's selling the signs, you know. 190 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:50,240 And >> so now so now you want to get customer 191 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,720 lists from private businesses of who of who creates signs. 192 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,160 » No. No. But I think that that the businesses that produce the signs should 193 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:02,079 be telling the people that, hey, if you put this along the road right away, you 194 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:08,079 could be collected. You could be fined. At what point does it does uh does 195 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:13,680 enforcement stop? What what at what point does it become not somebody's 196 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:18,160 responsibility to inform somebody of state laws? 197 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:21,440 » I should all know what our laws are in our communities. 198 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:24,639 » I mean, I'm still learning. >> Good luck learning all of the Maryland 199 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,240 laws because they make more of them every year. 200 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:33,680 » Change all the time >> and they change all the time. And so why 201 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:36,000 would we hold our businesses responsible for 202 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,040 the actions >> what somebody's going to do with their 203 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,279 sign for what somebody does kind of crazy. 204 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,000 » So then I I'll continue to put my stickers on the signs. 205 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,360 » Okay. >> I was going to say you can you can 206 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,639 continue to vandalize signs and then we'll go with that. 207 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,560 » Yeah. >> And and what's this linking the city to 208 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:58,000 the kid who got the crap beat out of him by the by the guy for the vandalism like 209 00:14:55,279 --> 00:15:02,560 because of the fence? uh the fencing if the fencing had been followed through 210 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,440 and the zoning was and the fence was completed as it should have been. 211 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:10,320 » The kids aren't going to hop a fence, my guy. 212 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:14,560 » Chainlink fence with barb wire on top. Did uh 213 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:21,680 has H has it ever been the city's responsibility to uh to 214 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:25,360 to make sure fences are complete? >> Uh well, I think that if if the city 215 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:29,680 Yes. Yes. As a matter of fact, because I've got I've got letters from Jim Weep 216 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,480 and Daryl Hail also. I can go through them if you like. It's going to be 217 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:37,360 » well when they when they call for an inspection of it, I would imagine so. 218 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:39,920 But if it's open-ended, then it does they could have never built the fence. 219 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,480 They could have gotten the permit and never built the fence. 220 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:46,880 » The initial request I put in, but the when when I first investigated it, I I 221 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:52,000 found out that they did not have a fence permit. So then they were told they had 222 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:58,079 to have a fence permit. So the fence permit was issued. Here it is. Uh part 223 00:15:54,880 --> 00:16:01,440 of it. The uh yeah. Okay. If the fence wall permit shall become null and void 224 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,920 if the fence or wall has not been completed within a period of six months 225 00:16:03,199 --> 00:16:09,519 after the date of the permit. That fence behind a Tony Town collision went well 226 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,680 past 6 months. And that's why I called the city again. 227 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:17,199 » And and when was that? >> Uh that was with Daryl Hail around 228 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:21,680 October of 21. >> Okay. So now now we're looking at at at 229 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:24,480 5-year-old possible permit uh violations, 230 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:30,880 » right? But I also have, you know, emails all the way up to 2025, you know, 231 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:36,800 concerning issues. Um, you know, the Comar uh uh uh Daryl, I mean, I like 232 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:41,600 Daryl. He was a good guy, but as far as zoning enforcement, he didn't really 233 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:45,120 follow through anything. Um, and then of course, you know, I get a reply from the 234 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,800 mayor. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that at all. 235 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:52,000 Yep. And again, I think my reply to you essentially was that we use common sense 236 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,120 enforcement here. Again, we try to work with business owners. We try to work 237 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:58,079 with people. Our our goal is not to find people. Our goal is not to penalize 238 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,240 people. Our goal is to work with people. And that's always 239 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:04,559 » we're trying to be more peopleentric instead of like, you know, the the 240 00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:08,079 bureaucratic bureaucratic hellscape that that plagues many other places where 241 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:15,280 it's like, you know, the card says MOO, so that's what it is, right? Like like 242 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:19,600 » Yeah. I mean, we're gonna Well, I'll uh I'll get the rest of these laws 243 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:22,559 together. We'll go over them again, you know, because I I I think that what 244 00:17:20,959 --> 00:17:25,760 » Can you do me a favor when you do that? Can you not come in like hot like that 245 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:29,440 and be like, "You guys don't care about kids who are getting the kick out 246 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:33,360 of them for for for for going for vandalizing or going in a thing." Like, 247 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,600 like, dude, that is that's dirty and you know it. 248 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:40,160 » That's dirty and you know it. >> I'm sorry, but Mike, you know, I'm I'm 249 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:42,480 learning from Mike, okay? I'm I'm new into this, you know. I I know how to 250 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,640 deal with customers. >> I'm happy to chat with you about 251 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,799 anything you want, but if you if you come in hot, expect the same energy 252 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:52,799 back. >> Got it. No worries. All right. So, let's 253 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:56,480 get together. Um I I'll write up something seriously about the helmets. 254 00:17:54,799 --> 00:18:01,600 I'll bring in I'll I'll put personal examples, photographs, rehabilitation, 255 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,080 periods, abilities to walk, all that kind of stuff. 256 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,120 » None of us none of back to helmets. None of us disagree that kids need to wear 257 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:09,360 helmets. Literally every single person up here is like, "You should be wearing 258 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,360 a damn helmet." >> Right? The the the disagreement, if you 259 00:18:11,679 --> 00:18:16,080 go back, was it two months ago or something like that? If you go back to 260 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:20,000 to that workshop, you'll >> you'll see that the the only point of 261 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:23,120 contention was really coming from me where I was like, I refuse to be 262 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,000 » the stringency of the enforcement essential. 263 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,880 » Yeah. Like I I I refuse to be finding children who are stupid and going to do 264 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:34,160 stupid things and aren't going to listen to us old old farts anyways, you know? 265 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:37,679 They're not going to do that. So, like, but we can we can educate them and make 266 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,720 sure that they're wearing it. We can take away their their bikes temporarily. 267 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,240 Like, there's there's a bunch of stuff that we have on the books now that gives 268 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,720 them more power to enforce it. That we did that for that reason. 269 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:50,799 » Would there be room in the city budget to go to like McDonald's and get get 270 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:54,240 like a a coupon for an ice cream cone and every time you see a kid wearing a 271 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:58,080 helmet? >> I don't know. Maybe that's something 272 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:59,919 they start talking. And I had my helmet on. They gave me a they gave me an ice 273 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,640 cream cone. >> Yeah. I mean they they do a lot of stuff 274 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:05,840 like that in in in schools now with kids. Like they give them, you know, 275 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,880 snack vouchers and whatever for for their good behavior. Like I'm not I'm 276 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:12,480 not opposed to anything like that, right? Like that's they you you have to 277 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:16,480 have disincentives and incentives. Like you incentives are the things that that 278 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:21,520 really make people act well. Anybody who has a small child knows that it I will 279 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:24,559 say it's hard from a city's perspective to do that because then you'll have 280 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:28,880 people coming in like my tax dollars are going to to to giving kids gift cards 281 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,240 because they're doing the thing they should be doing anyways, right? So like 282 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:36,559 that that I do imagine that that would be probably a hard sell. That's just 283 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,320 » how about how about if if if I were to get donations 284 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:42,400 » huh >> if how about if I were to go around and 285 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,919 get donations from various businesses to them. That's That's a That's a good 286 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,760 That's a good nonprofit, right? >> Let's do that. 287 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,760 » There we go. >> All right. Cool. 288 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,320 » Solutions. >> Solutions. That's what we want. That's 289 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,000 what we want. >> That's what you get when you come in and 290 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,320 when you don't come in hot, too. We can We can spitball, right? 291 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:02,400 » Oh, come on. Can't I do a little Vic Shirley every once in a while? 292 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:05,200 » Also, you said this. What was the name of your article again? 293 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,760 » It's It's quality of life in small towns. 294 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:11,440 » Okay. And where did you get these questions from? I I' I've got several 295 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:14,400 people around town that, you know, and and and over Union Bridge and stuff like 296 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,799 that and they're like, "Hey, can you want to you want to do something on 297 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:21,280 this? You want to do something on that?" Like like Union Bridge, the Lehi cement, 298 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,440 you know, the dust everywhere all over everybody's cars and stuff like that. 299 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,960 So, >> just to go back to just to go back to 300 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:30,559 KO's work session that we did talk about, that was the whole purpose of 301 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:35,120 that, like we don't want to turn into an authoritarian small government. We want 302 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:39,200 to be a small town that fosters community and community engagement. And 303 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:42,400 you don't do that by finding your your citizens. 304 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:45,919 » And if we and if we can engage more people in stuff and into and community, 305 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,240 that would be great. That would be great because that's one of the article that's 306 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:53,919 one of the things that I want to touch on in my article is is how much the 307 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:58,000 community pulls together. I mean, when I had my house fire, I had the community 308 00:20:55,919 --> 00:21:01,600 pull together. I've seen how people when when when somebody has passed away or 309 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:05,600 something major has happened in a family, how this town pulls together and 310 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:08,720 reaches out and helps that helps. I would strongly recommend you look into 311 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:11,520 the works of our parks department and our director Lorraine and all the things 312 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:16,080 that she's done for this town. >> I've been there. I brought money into 313 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,600 this town two times. You know, two different dog shows, 314 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:22,720 » you know. We'll do that again, too. >> Thank you. And then again, if Sorry, one 315 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,880 more thing. You talked about blinding lights. I'm actually completely unaware 316 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:29,600 of this issue or this law. So, what are we talking about? 317 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:35,840 » Um, okay. the the Maryland well Maryland state highway has has laws about outdoor 318 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:40,400 out outdoor lighting blinding people on the highway. Um on a wet rainy night 319 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:46,960 come down from the come down from the circle and and and see how the glare off 320 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:51,360 of the lights at at at Bissimos and at Hedlebridals glares because a lot of 321 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:54,880 people that have visions cataracts and stuff like that they have a very hard 322 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:58,400 time recovering from a bright light issue like that. So if a blight light 323 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,880 blinds them and a peasant pedestrian should walk out in front of them, they 324 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:05,840 might not see them and it is it is it is an issue along the roads especially 325 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:10,000 going through Westminster. Now >> is this a you said it's already a law on 326 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:13,280 the books. Is this a lumen or whatever the word issue like 327 00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:17,120 » it's it goes along with like state highway state highway lighting 328 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:20,240 requirements and also with like storage facilities and stuff like that. It's 329 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:24,640 very it's very confusing. It's in like four or five different sections of the 330 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:27,039 Comar. Of course, Marilyn Comar just doesn't make a whole lot of sense a lot 331 00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:30,400 of times anyway, >> but but yeah, there are there are laws 332 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:34,960 written on it. And the other thing that I also would wanted to try to do was 333 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,000 » I don't know if you all were aware, but the Westminster Astronomical Society 334 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:44,559 wanted to put an observatory in Bowlinger Park. It would have been a 25 335 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:49,280 in 16 ft telescope research grade. I mean, Cherry Springs, Pennsylvania 336 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:53,280 material, Greenbanks Observatory material. and we decided that we 337 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:58,799 couldn't do it because of lighting around town. And I even forwarded the 338 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,480 International Dark Sky Association requirements for outdoor lighting. It's 339 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:06,960 not like we want lights turned off. We just want lights shielded. Flow serve as 340 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:12,960 a good example. All those outdoor box lights, they're not shielded. They're 341 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:17,679 shining all the way out into in and light trespass into the neighbors 342 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:24,240 houses. I know about it because I lived in Westminster. They put in uh flashing 343 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:28,799 red and yellow lights and uh it was light trespass. I couldn't do astronomy. 344 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,080 I had red and red red and yellow lights flashing in my yard all the time. So, I 345 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:36,799 finally presented the state highway administration uh about my quality of 346 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:41,280 life as being reduced. I have sleep deprivation and they're supposed to put 347 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:45,120 baffles in. It's called light trespass. And so I went round and round with them 348 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:49,360 and I finally had to pull the constitutional right for pursuit of 349 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:52,320 happiness card on them. And the next day they were out putting the baffles in the 350 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:55,039 lights. >> Baffles are the blockers, right? 351 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,320 » Yeah. It keeps it from going off the side. You know, 352 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,240 » I know what you want. Yeah. >> I mean, my bedroom was red, yellow, red, 353 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:04,000 yellow, red, yellow. >> Yeah. 354 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:08,400 » So, all right. But, uh, but I can forward the the IDA and the lighting 355 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,080 forward stuff to y'all guys. >> Yeah. This is the first time I'm ever 356 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,679 hearing about it, so I I have no idea what you're talking about. 357 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,960 » Yeah, I really wanted the observatory here. 358 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,120 » Observatory. I I I knew I've heard told me about it. 359 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,559 » Yeah, we're we're we're still looking for a spot for it. We might be out at 360 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:26,799 Harney. I'm not sure. >> But uh but yeah, 25 inch telescope, deep 361 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:31,600 space in your face, man. >> 2inch eyepiece. You see Jupiter through 362 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,960 that. I mean, it's incredible. Yeah. So, >> all right. Well, ladies, gentlemen, 363 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:38,000 city, I thank you guys very, very much. >> Yep. Thank you. If you can again, email 364 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,080 over to Clara and I'll have them email out to council and 365 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:44,480 » yeah, Clara knows how to get in touch with me. So, what I'll do is we'll get 366 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:47,600 me requests for the information. I'll forward the information to you and like 367 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:51,600 I said, anything that I can do, I'll help out with with we'll get these 368 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:54,240 helmets on these kids. I'll smoo people, we'll get some money and I'll go to 369 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:57,279 McDonald's and we'll get some coupons and then the police officers can 370 00:24:55,679 --> 00:25:02,480 whenever they see a kid on a bike or any council, hey, here you go. Five bucks. 371 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,279 You know, of course, I like the idea of pulling people over and giving them gift 372 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,679 certificates for using their turn signals, too. 373 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,080 » Thank you. >> Thank you very much. 374 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:20,240 » I've never any additional public comment pertaining 375 00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:23,440 to agenda or non-aggenda items. You got anything? 376 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:27,120 » Thanks. >> Proceeding for consideration review. 377 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:31,279 Does anybody on council need time for consideration review tonight? 378 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:35,200 Hearing none, I'm proceeding forward to resolution, ordinances, and agreements. 379 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,480 Introduction ordinance 12-2026, site plans. Um, again, this is rather 380 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,799 extensive. I know there's been some questions. Jim, did you want to lead 381 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:46,880 off? Um, 382 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:54,360 I can speak to the four questions that were emailed uh 383 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:54,360 earlier today. Uh, let's see. 384 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:01,279 » No, I I I understand there's there's a lot more to come. So, uh, and I'm I'm 385 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:06,640 happy for the discussion because there are a lot of changes in this. Um, and as 386 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:10,960 as, uh, was communicated a couple days ago, 387 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:15,200 you know, this has been in the works a long time. So, uh, it's been several 388 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:20,640 months since you saw the the version comparing the old with the proposed. But 389 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:27,840 um anyhow, in response to uh the questions that came out today, uh 390 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:32,720 basically uh the idea of making the 391 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:37,600 adequate facilities aspect more generic was was intentional. Uh there were some 392 00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:45,039 there's some language in the current code that creates a city standard, but 393 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:51,360 the city is not the agency that provides the service. for example, uh fire and 394 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:58,240 emergency services and schools. So the school system tells us whether they have 395 00:26:54,240 --> 00:27:03,200 capacity. So the idea is to use use their ranking criteria, their rating 396 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:08,480 criteria the same way they do elsewhere in the county because you know children 397 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:14,960 outside of Tonytown go to schools in Tony Town. Kids in Tony Town go to 398 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:19,440 schools outside of Tonytown. So having a standard for Tony Town that's unique 399 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:24,960 doesn't really make sense. So again, since the school board sort certifies 400 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:31,440 that available capacity, we want them to use their their measurement. Um and uh 401 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,799 so that that kind of goes with the storm water piece. Also, now that we've 402 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:39,360 adopted the county storm water management ordinance, and one of the 403 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,640 comments in here also was there was some back and forth between the city's 404 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:48,400 ordinance versus the county's ordinance on storm water. And 405 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:53,120 you can kind of see it both ways because we've adopted Carol the count Carol 406 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:58,080 Carroll County ordinance, but that makes it our ordinance now. 407 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:02,880 But if the county is the one that's going to be certifying it, it admittedly 408 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:07,520 does make sense to be consistent and just say county throughout it. It could 409 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:14,120 be interchangeable, but for clarity, it probably is better to say county. So, 410 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:14,120 we'll make that change. Um, 411 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:29,120 there were also some questions about uh having the zone zoning administrator 412 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:33,919 sign off on the uh final approval on the site plans. That's really something 413 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:38,320 that, you know, wasn't required by the code, but we felt like it really should 414 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:43,279 be because the the zoning administrator, that's the, you know, the professional 415 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:48,080 that's reviewing the the plans for the city. So, uh, really they're the one 416 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:53,520 that should be signing off on it, the one that that's coordinating the review 417 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:59,000 from the city end. Um, and, uh, let's see. 418 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:59,000 I think that was the bulk of the 419 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:05,120 immediate items. If there if there are more, you know, certainly we can we can 420 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:09,360 talk through those and you know, just a reminder that 421 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Monday this is just on for introduction. Uh the planning commission hasn't had a 422 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,960 chance to comment on it yet. Uh so I'm sure that they will have a lot to say 423 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:21,840 and it's going to be a lot for them to absorb also. So, we'll probably 424 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:27,360 circulate that comparison document to them as well so that they'll be able to 425 00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:31,440 see the the current version and then what changed um just like we did for you 426 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,840 guys. But, um >> um I did have two broader things like I 427 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:40,240 have a lot of questions that are kind of in the weeds that I'll I'll email to 428 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:44,399 you. But, uh two big things that I noticed was one the idea of the 429 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:49,279 simplified site plan. Uh I' I'd like to be walked through that a little bit. uh 430 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:56,720 you know what problem is is it looking to address and how would this specific 431 00:29:52,240 --> 00:30:04,480 uh addition um address that problem? And then uh two it looked like it was moving 432 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:08,640 the planning commission from being at multiple touch points and more putting 433 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:16,240 them at the end touch point after things are more finalized for their final stamp 434 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:19,520 of approval. Um, so I'm I have a an idea. I probably have an understanding 435 00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:25,120 of why we're we're moving in that direction, but um I I'd like to actually 436 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:30,399 talk about it and and have you give me the information. I'm not in the weeds on 437 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:34,799 this stuff, so I I just don't know. Uh generally the idea is to streamline the 438 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:39,279 process while still providing opportunity for the public to be able to 439 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:44,720 you know ask questions and provide comment on on the plans that are 440 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:48,480 proposed. Uh the current process requires everybody to go before the 441 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:54,159 planning commission I think it's seven times. Um so they they present a concept 442 00:30:52,399 --> 00:31:00,880 plan then they come back for approval they present a preliminary plan back you 443 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:05,480 know at each step right. So, um there's a lot of a lot of uh 444 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:12,240 let's see that that seems to be overdoing it for you 445 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:18,240 know for both the planning commission and the and the developers and the 446 00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:24,039 engineers. Um, so also the way the code is currently structured, it um 447 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:32,399 creates some some challenges for staff to try to follow with the letter of the 448 00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:39,679 code in that um we're supposed to present a a report and and uh once all 449 00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:43,679 the different agency reviews are completed and then we're supposed to 450 00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:49,039 give a report to council and it's supposed to be um 451 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:52,880 basically at the next meeting from when a plan was presented. Well, at the next 452 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:59,200 meeting, we're not going to have all those comments yet. Um so rather than it 453 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:04,000 it sort of like pressure staff to come up with something, you know, to push 454 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:12,240 other agencies to get comments and turn things around more quickly. Um it it to 455 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:17,600 us it made sense to get the plans in, do the review, make sure everything's, you 456 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:25,760 know, meets the code requirements, and then go to the planning commission with 457 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:31,279 it. Um it it is um it's reducing the number of times the planning commission 458 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:36,240 is going to see the see the project. um they're only going to see it at this 459 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:40,720 point um at the concept stage and the preliminary stage. And that's really 460 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,919 where the preliminary stage is where the vast majority of the effort goes in. 461 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:49,039 That's where all the engineering goes in, the storm water management, the uh 462 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:54,080 city specifications, all that is worked out and and included in the plans at the 463 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:59,360 preliminary stage. The final site plan stage 464 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:04,799 is basically the same as the preliminary plan with anything that the planning 465 00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:08,880 commission directed them to change. So more often than not, a developer knows 466 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:13,039 what they want to do at the preliminary stage and once they get that approval, 467 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:20,000 they don't want to change anything else and have to go back and rework anything. 468 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:26,559 Um, so the proposed code will make that final plan approval an administrative 469 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:30,640 function because the only thing that would change would be something the 470 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:35,039 planning commission directed. So it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to 471 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:39,200 post the property again, have it go before the planning commission again for 472 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:44,080 essentially the exact same plan that was just approved. 473 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,559 » Does this No, go ahead. Does this bring it down to two touch points or three 474 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,559 touch points for the planning commission? 475 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,080 » A minimum of two. >> Okay. Thank you. 476 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:57,440 » So, say the planning commission says, "Hey, 477 00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:02,559 we need you to make these changes." You're saying instead of going back for 478 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:07,440 a final touch point for the planning commission to make sure that the changes 479 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,800 they requested are there, it just becomes an admin an administrative 480 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:15,760 matter. Correct. >> Yes. 481 00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:20,879 » Okay. Um so >> with that clarity becomes very 482 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:25,839 important. So we would need to be sure that staff and the developers engineer 483 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:29,119 fully understand what the commission is is asking. 484 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:35,679 » That's that's where I'm going. And right if if there is any any vagueness or 485 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:40,079 uncertainty to that then at that point I believe you know I feel that the 486 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:44,960 zoning administrator or planning director would need to go back to the 487 00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:48,240 planning commission and say is this what you guys meant 488 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:50,399 » or at a minimum the chair to to get clarity. 489 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,599 » Now the right the administrative approval would be the the zoning 490 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:56,919 administrator and the planning commission chair. 491 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:07,839 and and and that's essentially a little bit closer to the Carol County 492 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:12,880 process. So in the county, they they require plans to be uh more 493 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:17,520 fully developed before they go before their planning commission. Uh for 494 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:22,480 example, you need to achieve a storm water management concept approval um 495 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:29,280 before you can be on the planning commission agenda. that storm water 496 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:36,480 concept approval is like 80% completion of the design to get that that level of 497 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:41,839 approval. So your plan is much more fully developed um before you go to the 498 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:46,800 planning county planning commission than is the case currently for the city. Um 499 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,079 so we're we're leaning a little bit more towards that model. We're not requiring 500 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:54,640 storm water approval before you get to the planning commission. you can still 501 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:59,960 present a concept plan or a sketch plan that doesn't have that level of detail. 502 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,960 Um, 503 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,119 but it it it is reducing the the times that it's before the planning 504 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:10,000 commission. >> So, I think I generally understand the 505 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:15,560 benefits. Are there are there any risks that you can think of with reducing the 506 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,560 number of touch points? 507 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,839 And I'm not necessarily asking for like this was going to be one of my questions 508 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,839 that I was going to email to you. Like I'm I'm totally fine taking this offline 509 00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:29,599 and and chatting about it there. >> Um because I I know that's putting you 510 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,800 on the spot, but like that's something that I'm also thinking about, right? 511 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:37,280 Because like I'm not against reducing the number of touch points, especially 512 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:43,440 if if it's excessive, which is to me based on my limited knowledge, it it has 513 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:46,400 seemed excessive. Um, but I I I am also concerned about, okay, well, what are 514 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,599 the risks to like the city to develop? >> Just to get some feedback on that, I'd 515 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,480 say one of the main risks is just uh you're subtracting a point of public 516 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,960 comment essentially. >> Yeah, 517 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,240 » that I think that's the main >> already have a hard enough time getting 518 00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:01,760 out to to make comments when when they want to. That'd be my that'd be my main 519 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:04,000 thing is seeing that is again when uh when you're reducing the number of touch 520 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,359 points that are going over to the planning commission is again the 521 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:10,400 planning commission is one of the larger points where members of the community 522 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,200 are actually getting to speak up for public comment and whatnot. So again 523 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,280 that'd be I would argue one of the biggest risk factors as far as all that 524 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,240 goes. >> A planning commission is probably the 525 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:23,440 most attended uh body slashboard in in town. So 526 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:27,440 » usually only if it's Taco Bell >> and where are we at on that Taco Bell? 527 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,000 Why are you guys holding up the Taco Bell? 528 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,079 » We're not doing anything to the Taco Bell. 529 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,079 » I know. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. My My wife 530 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,960 » I had to. My Yeah, my wife was asking me the other day. I was like, 531 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:40,079 » the Taco Bell like I can't do anything about the damn Taco Bell. 532 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:43,920 » Jim Jim doesn't want to doesn't want to go. No, 533 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:49,119 » I'm I'm sure the planning commission will have comments um related to the, 534 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:56,160 you know, reduction of the number of times a plan comes before them. Uh but I 535 00:37:52,000 --> 00:38:01,440 think as far as um risk of something getting through the process that maybe 536 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:06,560 shouldn't um you know noting the mayor's comment you 537 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:11,200 know certainly you know that's you know a minimum of two times that the public 538 00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:16,960 has the opportunity to you know come here and explain you know how they think 539 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:21,760 it should change or why it shouldn't be next door to them or whatever the case 540 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:25,200 may be. um which is more often than not when when the room is full is when 541 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:31,440 somebody doesn't want something to happen in their neighborhood. 542 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:34,720 » Um you know but um so that that could be perceived as a negative that you know 543 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:38,800 you're reducing the opportunity for public comment. Certainly there's still 544 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:45,040 opportunity at the concept stage which is where it it's you know kind of in a 545 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:48,079 formative stage at that point to a degree. I mean people have already spent 546 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,680 money to have the engineers draw things up but It's not it's not locked in stone 547 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,720 at that point. >> I don't think you're necessarily taking 548 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,520 like a risk as far as like the design goes or anything like that because again 549 00:38:56,079 --> 00:39:00,560 that specifically is being drawn up by engineers. There's specific there's 550 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,480 specific criteria you have to meet on all of that stuff. So again I don't 551 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,599 think you're >> necessarily seeing a design risk or 552 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,280 something maliciously getting through or something like that. I think it's a 553 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,640 perception risk. >> It's a perception and again public 554 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:15,520 comment risk is what you're facing. >> Right. So, but again, as as long as the 555 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,520 various review agencies are doing, you know, thorough reviews, which I have 556 00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:22,720 confidence that they're going to do. >> Well, and and this will probably be 557 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:29,280 unpopular, >> but um honestly, it would reduce the 558 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:35,920 number of times. I mean, a positive could also be on that same uh line that 559 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:40,000 that it's it reduces the number of times because right now, as we're seeing with 560 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,079 Taco Bell, we get the same complaints every time. 561 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:47,680 » Yeah. >> So, it's it's just reiterating the same 562 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:52,720 issues every meeting that we have. It's like, okay, well, the back entrance is 563 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:59,680 going to happen. So, uh, um, so at that point, it's it 564 00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:02,880 reduces the the number of times that the, 565 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:07,760 uh, presenters are going to get beat up over the same issue over and over and 566 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:10,160 over again when it's when it when it's a perfectly legal and and fine thing to 567 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,040 do. >> And it'll save you guys time, too. Like, 568 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:17,200 you don't want have to see the same thing come up 20 times. And, you know, 569 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,160 » it's not even ready for prime time. Like, why is it coming to you guys 570 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,839 anyways? I think everybody's also kind of agreed again the process for us 571 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:28,880 getting things through the through the queue and everything like that is taking 572 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:32,880 just a bit of time. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because if it's seven touch points 573 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:36,079 that's seven months >> to do anything 574 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:41,359 » long time. and and and certainly during the site plan process um it's not 575 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:49,359 unusual for a project to go before the commission um 576 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:55,839 and you know they'll hear comments and and then we uh may not see them again 577 00:40:52,880 --> 00:41:00,160 for several months. So there's obviously a lot of work that goes into engineering 578 00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:05,200 and designing these things. uh you know I'm not I'm not 579 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:09,520 diminishing the level of effort but we do spend a lot of time you know between 580 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:15,040 those touch points now where we may issue a comment letter um in April and 581 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:20,160 we may not see those comments addressed and a plan resubmitted until June. Now 582 00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:23,599 the engineer is waiting until they get all of the comment letters probably and 583 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:28,480 making all the changes they think they need to before they resubmit. But 584 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,480 typically there's a lot of lag time between the time that we are actively 585 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,440 engaged on a review. >> And I agree there. It's not necessarily 586 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,560 just on us that's making the process longer. Again, some of it is that again 587 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,480 the back and forth >> engineering like the county like they 588 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:44,800 have to go. >> But then if we need to, you know, but if 589 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:50,079 then we need to have them, you know, address the comments, present at one 590 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:55,440 meeting, wait until the next month for um, you know, to request approval and 591 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,960 then move to the next step. and you know and then they need to once everything's 592 00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:04,319 addressed they still need to wait a month and present again it it can add 593 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:10,160 you know additional months into the the the timeline for the developer that 594 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:14,800 really isn't benefiting anybody >> and I think that's the big thing is is 595 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:20,640 the benefit aspect um and again it's it's kind of like again taco t talk is 596 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:23,599 one example um but you know people are asking why it is taking so long why so 597 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,880 many meet you know you have to go back and forth on so many meetings and again 598 00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:30,160 like I said earlier the biggest risk is that public comment is the perception 599 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,720 part but the actual risk on the design stuff I mean those are all professionals 600 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,240 those are professional agencies working through all that stuff so 601 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,839 » should be some level of trust in what they're doing 602 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,520 » on the simplified >> definitely get that the yeah the 603 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,560 simplified >> on the simplified site plan um the 604 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:51,599 current process we we don't have a simplified site plan process 605 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:55,920 » um so what what often will happen is if a 606 00:42:53,119 --> 00:43:00,560 project you ticks the box that that says yes, you need to do a site plan. Uh 607 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:05,359 which the site plan chapter casts a pretty wide net for things. So uh for 608 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:10,560 example, any non-residential building that's being constructed triggers the 609 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:18,400 site plan ordinance. So right now the planning commission if if the project 610 00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:22,480 does not impact the things that the planning commission or other review 611 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:27,520 agencies are going to be looking at. For example, if the project is small enough 612 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:32,640 that they don't need a grading permit or they don't need to do storm water 613 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:37,359 management um or erosion and sediment control, say um 614 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,960 the planning commission currently has the ability to wave the site plan 615 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:47,839 approval requirements is the way our code words it now. Um, at that point, 616 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:52,880 the zoning administrator will still require, you know, a a site 617 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,319 drawing of some sort to know, you know, where the accessory building or whatever 618 00:43:54,560 --> 00:44:01,359 it might be is going to go on the property that it meets the code and and 619 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:06,960 so on. Uh but having a simplified site plan process kind of gives us a a better 620 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:13,760 fleshed out process for the zoning administrator or planning director to 621 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:18,640 follow that is maybe a step above just a one sheet. You know, here's where my uh 622 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:23,520 storage building for my business is going to go. Um, you know, the the 623 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:29,520 simplified process is going to lay out um specific things that need to be on 624 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:33,760 that drawing rather than it just be um you know, the choice of the zoning 625 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:38,319 administrator or planning director at at the time to you know, oh well, give me 626 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:41,599 this. You know, there there may be inconsistency with that 627 00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:46,720 » just a list of criteria. >> This this lays out a process for that 628 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:50,880 person to follow each time. simplified site plan have to still get 629 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,440 the stamp of approval from from uh planning and zoning? 630 00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:59,680 » No, this would be an administrative approval. So, it it it's kind of an So, 631 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:03,680 right now, if the planning commission waves the site plan approval 632 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:07,599 requirements, the the planning director, zoning administrator, you know, will 633 00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:11,200 still need to issue a zoning certificate for that. And in order to do that, there 634 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,880 still needs to be an application. There still needs to be a drawing. plan is 635 00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:18,640 also eliminating the touch point for small projects where it's like we don't 636 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:23,119 really need the planning commission to be like yeah you can put a shed on your 637 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:29,200 » if there's exactly and and that's a that's a frequent you know uh example of 638 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:34,400 of something that would be a candidate for a a site plan waiver. Um, you know, 639 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:39,040 we've we've done them for multiple businesses around the city where 640 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:43,599 somebody, you know, was out of space in their storage room and they wanted to 641 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:48,079 put a a a shed on the property. Well, it's not a residential property, so it's 642 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:52,560 a non-residential building that's being built or being installed. So, we go to 643 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:57,839 the planning commission, the person asked for a waiver. More often than not, 644 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:03,440 it's granted. Um and you know but um you know and and the 645 00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:07,119 example of somebody putting a shed on a property. Okay, this might seem a little 646 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:12,880 much for that, but it you know it could be a building that actually has a um 647 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:17,520 a an active commercial use. Um it it may 648 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:21,920 not be just a storage building. It could be, you know, a materials yard. It could 649 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:26,000 be a fenced in sales area. But that's why you're saying the professional, the 650 00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:30,800 zoning administrator gets to take a look at it and make a determination like okay 651 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:34,480 this this is something that can be simplified. We don't have to go through 652 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:38,800 this draw more drawn out process so you can get this thing done. A a current 653 00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:45,839 example is uh the planning commission recently reviewed uh the tractor supply 654 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:50,880 company has presented plans to uh develop a space at the Tonytown Shopping 655 00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:56,880 Center and they're going to incorporate an outdoor uh sales area for you know 656 00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:03,760 larger merchandise as tractor supply companies typically do. Um, so they 657 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:10,400 the planning commission waved our site plan requirements for it because it was 658 00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:14,079 an area that's going to be uh on existing imperous surface. So there's 659 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:19,599 no change to storm water management. There's no erosion and sediment control. 660 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:26,319 There's no grading. Um but the planning director um advised that it should go 661 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:32,560 through the the Carol County simplified site plan process to ensure that that 662 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:35,359 any you know um nuances that might be missed by one individual are still 663 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:42,520 caught. So they're going through that process now. Um but this this will bring 664 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,520 it inhouse. So 665 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:48,240 » I think those were my two broader questions. I'll I'll follow up with with 666 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:51,599 » Okay. And yeah, we can certainly, you know, communicate offline 667 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,760 » and that also again goes to all council. Again, if you have any questions on the 668 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,440 site plan stuff, you know, don't hesitate to email the city manager. Um, 669 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:01,440 again, this is introduction, so that just starts the clock. And again, you 670 00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:04,160 guys technically got two months on that essentially after you start the clock 671 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,280 whether you want to adopt it or not >> and we can restart the clock if 672 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,800 » you can re and you can restart the clock. I I would like to point out one 673 00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:18,960 thing that um in in reviewing this responding to uh the councilman's 674 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:25,200 questions earlier uh we realized that there was one aspect in the adequate 675 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:31,440 facilities portion that um we would like to revise and that is if I 676 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:37,559 can find it here emergency services 677 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,559 um 678 00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:49,400 under our fire and rescue services. Um we inadvertently I think still left in 679 00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:03,200 Never mind. I think I think we might I was jumping back and forth between a 680 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:07,920 couple versions there, but we want to make sure that we get rid of um that was 681 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:12,400 another area where we had a specific standard 682 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:18,800 defined, but it wasn't something that we certified. Um so, we do want to make 683 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:23,599 sure that we don't still specify um you know, a certain ratio of late and no 684 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:27,680 response times or um or no response times. So, I think we may have gotten 685 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,880 that taken out, but if if it wasn't, it'll be taken out before it goes to 686 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,040 public hearing. >> Going to clean up the other references 687 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:37,839 that I >> Yes. And we'll make those revisions as 688 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:42,400 well. So, yep. >> And I I expect that there may be further 689 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,920 revisions recommended after the planning commission gets a chance to review it 690 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:50,079 and comment. >> They and they've seen it, right? Like 691 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:52,240 it's been mailed to you guys or they have not seen it yet. 692 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,559 » Yeah. you guys >> once it's once it's introduced it'll go 693 00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:01,280 before them so they'll they'll have it at the September their September meeting 694 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,559 » any additional comments questions concerns from council before I proceed 695 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:11,280 from site plans >> just for my sleep that night 696 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:16,559 » hearing none I'm proceeding forward um adoption under adoption we got ordinance 697 00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:19,520 10-2026 accessory dwelling units Jim did you have anything you want to follow up 698 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,640 with that on I know we've had some back and forth conversation regarding We've 699 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:26,000 Yeah, we've been working on the uh the parking study. Uh the police 700 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:31,280 department's been helping out with that during the uh weekend and evening hours. 701 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:40,079 Um so we'll make sure that we have the the data in our uh tracking sheet. Uh 702 00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:46,720 so far, I don't think we've seen any surprises as far as uh 703 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:52,480 observed parking availability or observed parking uh congestion. So, it 704 00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:58,160 it so far it seems like, you know, the areas that we all kind of knew were 705 00:50:54,240 --> 00:51:00,640 going to be packed with parked cars uh seems to be kind of playing out the way 706 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,960 we expected. >> They are in fact packed. 707 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:08,800 » So, yes. Um so, but we'll we'll have that finalized before Monday night so 708 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:13,440 that the study will be, you know, formally completed before. 709 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,760 » Was this one we reintroduced last month? >> Yes. 710 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:21,839 » Okay. Just wanted to double check on that. And this has the we we we had one 711 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:26,960 recommendation from planning on this and I'm forgetting the exact wording. 712 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:33,599 » It was uh >> I it was I believe it was in the appeal 713 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:38,400 process that we wanted there to be >> something Yeah. something that changed 714 00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:46,160 that was um there needed to be something particular to that property that that 715 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:50,160 made providing off- streetet parking um >> Oh yeah, there was that it wasn't like a 716 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,839 blanket. Um just >> that that one mile provision that you 717 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:59,079 guys put in >> um 718 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,079 it was um 719 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,240 it was under the waiver. 720 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,760 Oh yeah, >> it was it was um 721 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:14,079 » yeah it was it was under the waiver um >> the general cost to construct off 722 00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:18,880 streetet parking spaces and the planning commission's comment was or after after 723 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:22,480 discussion I think the consensus was that um 724 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:27,599 the general cost to construct off- street parking spaces that we add to 725 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:33,440 that um uh that there is uh some unique 726 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:38,000 characteristic that makes it different than other properties in in the 727 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,839 district. Much much the same as if we had 728 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,319 » Yeah, it was the compar it was the comparative cost because it's like 729 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:49,520 » it the way that it's worded, it could be the general cost to construct offse 730 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:52,880 parking uh spaces. It's like everybody's going to complain about the general cost 731 00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:57,680 to construct offite offsite parking spaces. It's it's the comparative cost 732 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,800 of is there something about your property, 733 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,280 » right? >> That that was the wording we were trying 734 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,640 to get into. was something like the general cost 735 00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:08,880 right there. >> Yeah. Because it it's like Yeah. It's 736 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:15,920 not necessarily the general cost. It's I would say even the comparative general 737 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:20,160 cost to uh to other uh other comparative uh lots. 738 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,319 » That that was what we were aiming for in that 739 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,559 » that right that that was the planning commission's thought on on that. And if 740 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:31,839 if council's supportive of of making an amendment like that, we can revise the 741 00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:35,359 text before Monday night and have it um in in your packet for Monday. 742 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,359 » You just want like a consensus on that. >> Oh, 743 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,200 » so >> okay. So right now, 744 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:47,920 » so right now you can you can so the waiver section says if the above cannot 745 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:53,839 be obtained um meaning the off streetet um 746 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,800 parking section >> off street parking 747 00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:01,359 » the applicant may apply for a variance before the board of appeals in which the 748 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:07,040 board shall require a parking study that considers and the first item and and 749 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:12,240 this is basically trying to satisfy the state. the state requires that we have a 750 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:18,880 a waiver process for the parking because they really don't want the they don't 751 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:24,160 want parking to be used as like a hammer basically to you know to 752 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:28,400 » stop ADUs from being developed. Um, so the first thing in that waiver 753 00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:35,119 consideration is the general cost to construct off streetet parking spaces 754 00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:41,520 and that was deemed and and I concur that's very broad and um thinking back 755 00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:47,280 to what the board of appeals looks at in other cases where somebody's ex looking 756 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:51,200 for uh you know a variance to a setback or something like that. We look to see 757 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:57,040 that there's something different about that property that makes it harder to 758 00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:01,839 comply than another property. So the example might be 759 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:07,520 » if the house if the property is a steep slope and in order to create an extra 760 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:12,400 parking space they would have to build a you know a huge retaining wall to be 761 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:17,280 able to fit a vehicle on the lot. That would be kind of a you know a special 762 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,680 circumstance that might be considered in in terms of granting a waiver different 763 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:26,000 than a normal >> that that you know would be it. So that 764 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:31,839 would get rid of just the blacktop is expensive. You know my payback period 765 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:37,760 will be too long to to do this. um that there needs to be something some some 766 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:41,200 you know compelling reason you know that that 767 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,920 you know other than just you know I don't want to pay for a parking space. 768 00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,640 » Yeah. And I have I'd have to go back and look and see what the I thought we had 769 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:51,839 really good wording, but uh but basically the comparative to make it the 770 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:57,200 comparative general cost to construct off- streetet parking spaces 771 00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:01,280 uh I'm using comparative too many times, but the general cost to construct off 772 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:06,480 streetet parking spaces compared to other similar properties. So basically, 773 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,920 if every a property on that street it would cost the same to put a driveway in 774 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:17,599 the back or or whatever you would have to do, that's not an extra hardship. If 775 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:24,319 you have to cut through three people's property and get get variances for for 776 00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:28,400 all of that plus all then that or you have to cross a stream or something that 777 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:32,400 that that might be that might be something that could be unique, right? 778 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,599 » Yeah. a unique >> characteristic 779 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:39,200 » characteristic as opposed to just the general cost to construct off street 780 00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:45,760 parking. >> Um because uh because yeah because right 781 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:50,799 now you can complain about anything. >> I'll probably chat with you offline. I 782 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,760 think I'm just it's not clicking in my head. So like we'll you'll you'll you'll 783 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:58,880 make it right. >> Could you prepare two copies for Monday? 784 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,200 I guess then I guess one with the change, one without the change and then 785 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,640 council can decide which one they want to adopt. 786 00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:07,200 » Sure. >> Yeah. Go ahead and do that. 787 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:10,559 » And I I will Yeah, I >> apologize for not having the language 788 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,920 pasted in here. Um >> I was going to say it's because I think 789 00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:17,359 we did settle on >> we settled on some decent language and I 790 00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:20,640 we should go back and and double check that because I thought we had we had 791 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:24,000 something that really >> Let's uh let's just have both in case 792 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:28,240 council defaults to not >> I wanted to change it. We'll we'll have 793 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:30,160 we'll have version A and version B in the packet for Monday. 794 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,640 » Sounds good. >> Wait, did we need a consensus to do 795 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,000 something though? >> No, I I think just having two versions 796 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:38,720 should be fine and council can decide what they want. 797 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:42,640 » Oh, I think I think Dan's uh Dan's pulling it off. If the general cost is 798 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,000 atypical, that was that was the word I used. 799 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:49,760 » Choice of words. >> Atypical. 800 00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:54,720 » Yeah, it the Dan the general look at Dan pulling the uh pulling pulling it out. 801 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:58,640 Words matter in laws, man. But yeah, but no, that was that was the wording that 802 00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:02,640 we used. It was atypical. If the the general cost is atypical to construct 803 00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:06,799 off- streetet parking spaces, and that was and that covered it. 804 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:10,559 » And then Yeah, that's right. Thank you, Dan. 805 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,799 » Atypical. >> And then we had to talk about the word 806 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,799 atypical. >> Then we had to talk about atypical for 807 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:19,440 » That's a great word for for the law. It really is a great word. 808 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:23,680 » Wonderful. The amount of times Harry just said it was pretty 809 00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:26,319 » That's so funny. Any additional >> came up with it during the meeting. I I 810 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,880 was proud of it. >> You should be. You should be. That's 811 00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:32,319 that's that's >> a typical 10 times fast though. 812 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,920 » Any additional comments, questions, concerns on ordinance 10-226 accessory 813 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,280 dwelling units before I proceed. >> Remind me the deadline is literally we 814 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,599 have to vote for it on Monday. Correct. Because it's due what next month or this 815 00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,920 month? >> It must be adopted before 1st of 816 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,920 October. >> So So our deadline unless we in do 817 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,799 another meeting, we got to make a decision on Monday. All right. Thank 818 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:55,040 you. Proceeding forward to ordinance 11-2026 819 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:59,839 fiscal year 226 budget amendment number three. Um Jim, there were some questions 820 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:03,440 about whether some of this had already been adopted in a previous Well, no, 821 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,520 because we that's right. We introduced the budget amendment. That's why you saw 822 00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:08,720 question. >> Okay. So that so that that's why 823 00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:10,880 everything looked really familiar. Okay. >> That's why 824 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,119 » I was just I'm running through this. I'm like we talked about all of this 825 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,359 already. >> Because it was introduced, as the mayor 826 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:23,280 said, it was just introduced last month. >> No problem. Remember I'm good. No 827 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:27,440 changes since since last month to it. >> Uh any additional comments, questions, 828 00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:30,960 concerns from council regarding it? Hearing none, proceeding forward to 829 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,839 resolution 226-07 updates to fee schedule. Again, this is part of the 830 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:38,720 reason why we are considering a third meeting for council this month. Um 831 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:42,480 I know they had worked again on the numbers. 832 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:47,839 » I think here it's showing only two changes, right? It's showing the park 833 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:52,079 impact fee increasing and a new accessory building. Yeah, because it 834 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:56,559 came back that we couldn't do >> the police impact fee. 835 00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:00,720 » Ah. Oh, that's Yep. Okay. >> And yeah, and the accessory building one 836 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:04,160 is just it it just now says accessory building instead of sheds 837 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:08,160 » uh because it's the same fee for a garage or a greenhouse or whatever 838 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,400 building it might be. >> So, that was kind of the big thing 839 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:15,920 though was we can't charge a police impact fee. So, 840 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:22,079 » um and this can probably taken offline too, that's fine. How how 841 01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:26,720 did the park impact fee uh number got to 842 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:32,000 » um Lena provided that calculation I believe last month in in a memo. I will 843 01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:34,000 suggest referring back to that. It's it's um 844 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:36,400 » yeah it's it's the same fee from last month. She did have the memo at the 845 01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:41,359 beginning of the >> and it's basically the same the same 846 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:48,720 formula that was used when we determined the original fee. Uh but what changed is 847 01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:53,119 um she went back and reworked the anticipated costs for the things in the 848 01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:55,839 capital improvement program and and those increased costs. A little bit 849 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,640 about that, >> right? So basically 850 01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:01,760 » basically what their share what their share would be. Yeah. What their share 851 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,280 would be of those costs essentially. >> The formula stays the same but the the 852 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:09,599 cost >> related to the project changes 853 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:11,520 » has changed. So you know those variables changed, 854 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,880 » right? It was never included in the original calculations. Yeah. 855 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:19,200 » Well, actually, it's just the the idea that construction costs and materials 856 01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:22,960 costs have just >> increased so dramatically since the fee 857 01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:26,240 was first adopted. >> Yeah. 858 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:32,079 » Um, you know, and and again, you know, right right now, 859 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:38,319 blacktop and, you know, are just um through the roof. So, um, yeah. So, we 860 01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:40,960 can't we can't do the same amount of work 861 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:46,720 » at the same time >> for the thousand fee that that we 862 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:49,760 originally expected we could do. So, >> inflation's killing everybody. 863 01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:53,040 » Any additional comments, questions, concerns regarding resolution 22607 864 01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:56,799 updates to fee schedule? >> Yeah, just that it's too low still. I 865 01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:01,520 know that's her recommendation, but like when you look at like other governments, 866 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:06,480 even Carol County went from like $500 to like $3,000 recently. Might have been 867 01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:10,000 nice to me a few years ago, but I'm if I just double check what all other 868 01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:14,720 Maryland counties are at, I mean, we would be peanuts in comparison to what 869 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:17,920 other towns and and counties are charging. So, I would just say we we 870 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:21,200 might want to still consider something much higher than $1,600. I think I 871 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,760 remember the comparison that Mackenzie showed me versus the other 872 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:27,359 municipalities and I think we do now fall higher than the other 873 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:30,400 municipalities. But the problem I mean again the problem comes is you have to 874 01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:34,240 have a you have to correlate the number to something factual or else basically 875 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,200 the developer can contest it. >> We also have to have development to even 876 01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:41,200 collect it to begin with. So >> yeah. So again there's a couple the 877 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:44,480 biggest thing though is again you can't right we can't just make up a number. 878 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:49,359 the number has to correlate to some kind of factual number or else the developer 879 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:53,680 could contest hey we are paying a fee that has no relation to the actual 880 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:57,680 impact of this house this these people living here in the park. Um that's my 881 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:02,079 under >> yes and and and basically when we do the 882 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:07,760 calculation you know we start from a point of you know that that as far as 883 01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:12,880 the fee goes we need to establish you know the level of adequacy that we're 884 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:16,960 starting with right because we can't we can't burden new development with 885 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:22,079 something that we're already behind on. So we can't make new development pay for 886 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:26,160 the sins of the past. So we we look at it starting at you know okay we're 887 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:32,880 adequate today here's what we need to do to stay adequate and it's going to cost 888 01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:37,200 us X to remain adequate for the next you know whatever it may be thousand you 889 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:40,720 know thousand houses or a thousand people and then you divide it out and 890 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,760 that's you know >> and I imagine that's why it's more fluid 891 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,480 through a resolution because again if the idea is you have more projects that 892 01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:50,799 hit the capital budget all you have to do is go back to the resolution adjust 893 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:54,240 the number again that's why the >> maybe something I can speak all offline. 894 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:57,680 I guess my concern is how we came to 20% as the share and that's how we got to 895 01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:01,760 1600. That that was the part that I never jived with 896 01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:06,000 » is how do we say we're only doing 20% of the fee of as an impact fee. That was 897 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,720 where I kind of had the disconnect >> unless somebody's able to I can have 898 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,520 Lena reach out to you. >> Yeah, that was the part because I'm like 899 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:15,680 if you do 100% well then it's over $8,000 if you do 50. That was just how 900 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,720 do we get to 20% is the impact. >> I'll have Lena reach out to you and talk 901 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,760 with you a bit about it. If you can can you coordinate that? 902 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,520 » Yeah. >> Um any additional questions, comments, 903 01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:29,440 concerns regarding resolution 22607 updates to fee schedule. 904 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,720 » Hearing none, proceeding forward. City manager report. Jim, what you got for 905 01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:37,200 us? Uh let's see. We touched on this uh a 906 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:42,240 couple minutes ago for the ADU, the parking study. Um we've we've I believe 907 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:48,160 done all the field work there. So we might have some more updating in the the 908 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:52,799 tracking sheet to do, but um we'll make sure that that's locked in before Monday 909 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:58,960 night. Um, site plans is in the packet and we already talked a little bit about 910 01:04:54,160 --> 01:05:05,920 that and uh, Andrew and I are uh, hoping that we can get the sign ordinance uh, 911 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:11,599 close to introduction um, you know, with his remaining time with the city. Uh, so 912 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:16,880 which is drawing to a close. So, uh, trying to crank through that as best we 913 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:20,000 can because he's uh, been the lead on on that one. Um, 914 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,559 » for those unaware, Andrew has taken a job closer to home. 915 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:25,280 » Our Andrew Gray. >> Yep. 916 01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:29,440 » Oh, well, congratulations to him. >> So, again, 917 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:32,720 beat up the Manchester guys. They they poached him. 918 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:35,520 » It is definitely a loss for us, but >> Well, that's what I want to say. It's a 919 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:39,440 big loss for the city, but also congratulations to him on being closer. 920 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:43,200 » Yeah, that's a huge win for his fans. >> Okay, so I got to go all flock camera on 921 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:46,480 uh on Manchester. No problem, >> right? Yeah, they declared war. Then 922 01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:49,760 when we see when we see them in MML, we're going to get them. 923 01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:52,720 But again, you know, just in his just in his short time of being here at the 924 01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:56,079 city, you know, again, he is an exceptional professional professional 925 01:05:54,319 --> 01:06:02,000 here. So, I gota say we appreciate his work and it'll definitely be a loss. So, 926 01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:08,720 » yeah. So, moving on. Uh nothing new on the Roberts Road uh uh project. Uh 927 01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:15,039 Memorial Drive, we had the uh the final walkthrough today. Uh very very short 928 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:21,599 punch list. There were I I think two spots that need a little blacktop work. 929 01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:28,079 Um and and I'm talking about an area uh probably the size of my my notepad that 930 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:32,160 uh was like sticking up a half inch. I mean really minor stuff. Uh and there 931 01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:35,359 were some areas where where the contractors are going to come back in 932 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:40,880 and some where DPW is going to come back in uh just where the the black top is uh 933 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,839 a little bit prouder of the grade, you know, above the grade a little bit. So, 934 01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:47,920 we want to back fill some dirt and and seed it just so there's not like a drop 935 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:51,119 off at the side of the road. And that that's pretty typical. Once the paving's 936 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,559 done, you kind of come back through and see if there's areas where 937 01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:58,480 » How all the connections look, the house connections and everything like that. 938 01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:02,559 » Generally good. Um there's there's one driveway that we're going to come back 939 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:05,920 and add some gravel because the just the construction it 940 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:09,839 » Yeah, it's always hard because it's all different. There's there's a couple 941 01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:16,079 areas where, you know, the existing driveway or or alley was um you know, a 942 01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:21,440 hodgepodge of dirt, gravel, and concrete and black top. And you know, that trying 943 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:25,839 to tie into that is, you know, a little difficult. So, you know, we may we'll be 944 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:28,720 coming back maybe adding some gravel to help transition that. And there's a 945 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:32,720 driveway that we're going to add some gravel to because they've got a pretty 946 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:36,480 good drop off, you know, at the black top to their existing gravel driveway. I 947 01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:41,920 haven't had a chance to look, but what about the connection to the fire uh the 948 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:45,760 carnival grounds? Was that >> you guys satisfied with Yeah, 949 01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:49,440 » I think Yeah, I I think the contractor did a really nice job on that seam and 950 01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:53,920 um and the city came back in and repainted the lines for the parking 951 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:57,200 spaces that were um you know, partially obliterated with it. And um Okay. 952 01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,880 » And we actually went around the corner and 953 01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:01,119 » satisfied over there. >> Nice. 954 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:06,000 » And you know, painted some of the white lines that just to freshen them up that 955 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:10,079 we didn't even touch. So, um, >> yeah, so I I think, uh, you know, we're 956 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:14,079 we're in good shape there. You know, as I said, you know, mostly just kind of 957 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:18,880 back filling along the edges where there's a little bit of a drop off, but 958 01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:22,880 um and and I think there were two valve boxes or curb stops that uh the 959 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:27,279 contractor is going to have to where they didn't um they didn't get the valve 960 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:32,480 box to be quite flush with the black top. So, very very minor things. So, um 961 01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:37,040 you know, that'll be addressed in the coming weeks. and the uh the blacktop 962 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:42,080 subcontractor is going to be back in town uh working on the approaches to the 963 01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:46,400 uh railroad bridge across Robert on Robertsmore Road. Um so that's when 964 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:52,640 they'll take care of those black top defects at Memorial. Um if I can even 965 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:58,040 call them defects, but anyhow, so so that's wrapped wrapping up. Um, 966 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:06,880 see George Street and Middle Street. We're 967 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:12,960 still uh waiting for CDM Smith to give us a proposal for the project design and 968 01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:20,239 construction services. uh we held a scoping meeting with them and today at 969 01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:25,920 the end of the walkth through uh uh the CDM Smith engineer that was on site uh 970 01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:31,359 we had a brief kind of just impromptu meeting uh answering some questions and 971 01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:38,480 furthering the you know making sure that we're on the same page designwise. Uh so 972 01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:43,359 we did talk about uh doing all new curb and gutter and sidewalk uh much as we 973 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:48,480 did on Broad Street with this uh because right now there's a lot of areas where 974 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:55,120 the uh the black top is only you know an inch inch and a half uh below the top of 975 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:59,520 the curb. So in heavy rains the water can you know go above above and beyond 976 01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:02,480 the curb um and not get where it's supposed to be or not drain properly. 977 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,760 Um, >> yeah, I know people are looking forward 978 01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,920 to that project at least getting done. I know we've had a lot of comments, 979 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,280 concerns on it. So, >> but but generally speaking, we're we're 980 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:14,400 planning to put the utilities back in the same trenches that they're in now. 981 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:19,520 So, there shouldn't be a lot of worry about rock and things like that as far 982 01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:24,960 as excavation. Um, and we're also going to incorporate some 983 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:28,560 uh sewer lining in Carol Heights and Bankard Terrace um that still have 984 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:34,320 terracotta lines. So, we've kind of expanded the scope a little bit beyond 985 01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:37,280 um beyond Midland George that we're going to be right there in George 986 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:40,560 Street, which connects to Carol Heights. So, we're going to go ahead and take 987 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:45,280 care of the terracotta that's in Carol Heights at the same time. So, the scope 988 01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:48,800 is expanding a little bit, but it just makes sense to try to hit it when the 989 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:54,880 contractor's right there in that in that area. Um so, uh that's where we are on 990 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:59,679 that one. So hopefully we'll have a proposal from CDM Smith um before you 991 01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:05,679 next month for the engineering and construction services. And uh that's all 992 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:08,000 that I have for this evening. Um unless there are questions, 993 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:11,280 » questions, comments, concerns on city manager report. 994 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:15,040 » One question. Do you I haven't heard much about the audit. Is the audit and 995 01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:21,120 underway? Where are we? >> It's still targeted for uh the workshop 996 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:22,719 night in in October. So October 7th, I believe, is our workshop. Yeah, they've 997 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:26,640 already >> So, they're still on target for for 998 01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:31,120 that. And usually it's kind of down to the wire because we have to approve it. 999 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:37,360 Um it has to be finalized in October. >> Um so, usually it's it's 1000 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:40,960 » they're crunching it at the very end to meet that that October workshop 1001 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:44,000 deadline. >> Right. 1002 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,920 » Any additional comments, questions, concerns for the city manager report? 1003 01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:53,000 Hearing none, present department reports. Jim, did you have anything 1004 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:53,000 specific department reports? 1005 01:11:56,239 --> 01:12:04,000 Are things kind of I guess settling down with uh water usage 1006 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:09,520 » since the summer's kind >> I have not heard much about the weekend 1007 01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:13,120 spike in the last couple weeks. So um we're still on target, you know, as far 1008 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:20,480 as nutrient and everything on the wastewater side. Um Kevin hasn't 1009 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:23,360 contacted me about any uh about the pumps running excessive amounts of time 1010 01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:25,840 the last >> that's what I haven't heard anything 1011 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:32,080 either. So I was assuming we're >> Yeah. So I expect that to be I mean 1012 01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:39,560 » that Yeah. that we're not seeing the same spike that we were during the you 1013 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:39,560 know 95 degree period. 1014 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:49,239 » Yes. We'll have a combined meeting for the um October since Columbus Day is on 1015 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,239 that Monday. 1016 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:57,199 » Uh the anything else gym department reports can 1017 01:12:56,719 --> 01:13:01,679 specifically >> unless there if there are questions I 1018 01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:04,400 can get answers for you for Monday. >> Any questions, comments, concerns 1019 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:11,199 regarding department reports for the city manager? 1020 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:13,840 Hearing none, I am proceeding forward to old business. Again, I'm going to kind 1021 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:18,960 of run through old business because most of it's just staple items. Um, charter 1022 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:21,760 resolution CR 22601 and O2, term limits, amendments to terms of office and 1023 01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:25,120 amendment to removal of office. Again, those are just chilling as we go through 1024 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:28,719 charter review stuff. Charter article one, again, there's been some back and 1025 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:32,880 forth of some draft language as far as definitions in article one goes. We will 1026 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:37,120 have probably the first draft for council to review at the October 1027 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:39,520 workshop. Um, but again, just be reminded that we're not looking for 1028 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:42,640 actual introduction and adoption of these things just yet. The idea is to 1029 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:45,280 basically put them on the docket, have them sit on the docket until the end of 1030 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:50,960 the process, and then lump them together into one bigger repeal and adoption 1031 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:54,640 essentially, not repeal and replace, I guess. Um, up next be campaign finance. 1032 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:58,640 I know me and you talked a little bit, Jim, about some additional language to 1033 01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:03,280 add into there for the minor or the underage age 18 donations part. Um, so 1034 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:08,640 let's make sure that is good to go and then put in for the October meeting as 1035 01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:12,000 an introduction for ordinance. Um, I'm just going to go through and 1036 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,120 then I'll ask for comments, questions, concerns. Impact fee funding model. 1037 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:20,000 Again, that's the same thing we're working on as part of the updates to the 1038 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:23,040 fee schedule. Mountain Brook developer rights and responsibilities agreement. 1039 01:14:21,679 --> 01:14:27,520 Same thing. You know, that's an ongoing discussion between staff and developer 1040 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:30,239 currently. Memorial Park expansion. And Jim, did you have anything particular 1041 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:35,760 update? >> We just make need to make our formal 1042 01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:40,800 decision go no-go on it so that Lena can get back to the the uh grtors. 1043 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:44,080 » So I will say Commissioner Vigliotti uh me and him talked yesterday and we and 1044 01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:48,560 we're going to meet up on Friday to discuss if there's any options at the 1045 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:52,560 county level available for funding. Um so again, 1046 01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:56,400 we'll talk more Monday um because I'm supposed to be discussing with him this 1047 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:59,520 week. The only option that we had from Johnny O was uh 1048 01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:04,080 » was put in for the community, >> put it in for for the million dollars. I 1049 01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:05,840 think the work or something like that. Yeah. 1050 01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:10,560 » Yes. >> Um for to try and get on get on the ear 1051 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:13,920 marks. I will say that they and I think I forwarded it to everybody and I I chat 1052 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:18,560 with somebody briefly afterwards, but like they they seem pretty bullish on on 1053 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:24,080 this is the kind of project that they want obviously because the park is, you 1054 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:28,000 know, so I would I wouldn't expect us to to have 1055 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:31,280 any major issues getting on that, but I mean, you never know. But yeah, 1056 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,719 » that's something we can put in for the federal 1057 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,600 » make sure we go to the thing >> for the federal earmarked funds. Yeah. 1058 01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:38,560 And again, we we've talked with him on different projects for that as well as 1059 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:41,120 part of that was the um recreation centers, something we've discussed with 1060 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:44,400 them as far as a project goes to put on that earmarked fund. Um so again, the 1061 01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:47,920 only thing is, you know, we'll have a lapse of the grants that we already have 1062 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,560 in between that period. So again, I'll give council an update on Monday after 1063 01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:55,600 discussion with the commissioner, you know, if there's any viability to any 1064 01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:58,719 additional options at the county. Um, other than that though, you know, we'll 1065 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:01,920 going forward, we're going to have to look once we get past the part of the 1066 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:05,840 grant process, you know, what what it looks like as far as funding that 1067 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:08,719 project goes in the future. Um, so again, we'll talk more on that Monday 1068 01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:11,760 then. Um, any additional comments, questions, concerns from council 1069 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,760 regarding anything under old business currently? 1070 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:20,239 hearing none. I'm proceeding forward to new business monthly financial report. 1071 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,480 Any additional comments, questions, concerns from council regarding the 1072 01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:26,159 financial report? >> No, I think we chat an email about about 1073 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:31,360 one issue >> just the yeah that um 1074 01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:36,000 we weren't prepared with all the figures that we usually have. So um the net 1075 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:41,520 working cash just uh from the general fund net working cash is uh a 1076 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:49,560 million93016 and uh from the utility fund the 1077 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,560 unrestricted cash right now is 3,684260 1078 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:54,000 » that was utilities. >> Yep. 1079 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,960 » And that's because we used the other part of it. Well I guess there's more 1080 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,920 money. Yeah. >> Yeah. We 1081 01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:04,560 » and we used we used restricted um funds to pay that down but um yeah. So our it 1082 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:09,600 basically you know general fund cash flow is is is very tight right now. So 1083 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,560 » any additional comments question concerns regarding the monthly financial 1084 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,280 report hearing none I'm proceeding forward to 1085 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:19,280 accounts payables. Any additional comments concerns from council regarding 1086 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:22,159 accounts payables hearing none. I'm proceeding forward to 1087 01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:25,840 approval of memorial park pavilion number two construction proposal. Any 1088 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,199 questions, comments, concerns from council regarding that proposal 1089 01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:33,760 currently? No, this is just replacing that pavilion that that correct got 1090 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:36,080 messed up because of the storm a couple weeks ago or month, however long ago it 1091 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,080 was. >> Yep. 1092 01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:41,840 » I did have a question on it. Do I'm assuming we have an actual cash value 1093 01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:45,560 policy for why we got such few dollars for a total loss. 1094 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:52,719 » Obviously, it was on a replacement cost policy. 1095 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:56,560 » I am going to confess to not being familiar with the terminology there. Um, 1096 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,560 » yeah, Mr. Insurance Man. >> Yes. I'm like, I don't understand it 1097 01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:02,800 either. >> I was like, all right, so we're getting 1098 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:07,679 essentially the asset minus depreciation for why we're getting so few dollars 1099 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:11,520 versus the cost it actually incurs to replace it. It's usually a more 1100 01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,679 affordable policy, but the trade-off is when you have a claim, you don't get a 1101 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:19,840 lot of money. >> Yeah, because the 1102 01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:22,239 » I I was fell off my ear when I saw the settlement. 1103 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:27,239 » Yeah, that's my reaction, too. >> It was It should have been three times 1104 01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:27,239 that. 1105 01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:34,239 I had damage on my barn and I'm still waiting to hear from them. They haven't 1106 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:37,600 come to meet with a with a settlement >> number yet, but it better be more than 1107 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:43,440 that. >> Well, as as Alex cited, um by way of 1108 01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:47,360 example, um >> you know, the depreciated value of of 1109 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:53,199 the asset is is how the insurance company does look at it. Um, and I can 1110 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:57,840 say that when >> uh 1111 01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:04,239 » when we had the the individual that rammed the the finance office and 1112 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:11,920 decimated the the finance office, >> the insurance amount was very very 1113 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:17,040 modest uh for that. And uh, Councilman McCarron, you may remember how expensive 1114 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:21,679 those front the front window and door was when they were installed originally, 1115 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:27,920 and they were replicated from the original firehouse doors. They were 1116 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:33,679 thousands and thousands of dollars to to replicate those doors and and, you know, 1117 01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:40,640 have them fabricated. And the insurance uh settlement basically was, you know, 1118 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:43,040 large door $200, you know, it was that sort of a thing. And 1119 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:46,800 » yeah, so basically what the replacement >> and you know, she not the direct 1120 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:52,880 replacement, you know, 10 years old or whatever is worth this. And so yeah, and 1121 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:59,520 again, the policy is very affordable, I guess, that way. But um 1122 01:19:54,880 --> 01:20:06,239 » how often do we have storms or or you know weather events that cause this kind 1123 01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:10,800 of damage to city? >> I think this is the first time I've 1124 01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:16,719 » I mean we've we've certainly incurred storm damage before. Um and and more 1125 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:22,000 often than not it's it's been in the parks because we have you know more 1126 01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:26,159 trees and things like that. Uh, so you know, we have we've had tree limbs come 1127 01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:31,280 down and cause damage. We've had wind peel back metal roofs and things like 1128 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:35,360 that, but we've never had a a situation where a you know, structure was unsound 1129 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,239 as a result of >> I was going to say this is the first one 1130 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:44,080 I've seen any of these. >> Um, and we've we've had insurance, you 1131 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:50,480 know, payments before. Um not not too long ago, uh high winds ripped the uh 1132 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:56,000 part of the roof off the uh field one grandstand and um yeah, we did get some 1133 01:20:53,760 --> 01:21:00,000 insurance money to help repair that, but um usually it's been more of a repair 1134 01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:03,840 situation. nothing >> was a full full scale like 1135 01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:09,199 » now admittedly this pavilion has been there for many many years and you know 1136 01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:12,960 was not constructed to the standard of the others um back in the day 1137 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:16,239 » this is one of the this is one of the original ones right 1138 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:23,520 » so this this was the only you know wooden post pavilion that that was left 1139 01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:28,239 down there so um it certainly wasn't as stout of a structure as the others 1140 01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:31,120 » any additional comments concerns regarding the approval of the memorial 1141 01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:35,840 park number two construction proposal. >> The out of pocket cost is like this 70k 1142 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,760 here. Am I >> reading that correct? 1143 01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:42,760 » Yeah. >> Balance balance be paid by city 1144 01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,760 68,79607. 1145 01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:48,480 » That's that's how much is coming out of us. 1146 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:54,000 » That's that's right. This would be >> would not be currently budgeted. So this 1147 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:56,480 would be an budget amendment, right? That's going to be an additional 1148 01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:00,080 expense. >> Yeah. We didn't we didn't put it in the 1149 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:02,719 current the current budget, right, Jen? >> We didn't have this when the budget 1150 01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,040 amendment was introduced. >> We passed this before all that. So, it 1151 01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:08,400 wouldn't have been right. >> It wouldn't be in that budget. 1152 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:12,080 » Okay. So, that this would be a draw on on the current cash reserves then, 1153 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,480 right? It's it's a use of the fund. Okay. 1154 01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:17,920 » So, we still had a higher increase in revenue than expected, which was greater 1155 01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:23,280 than this loss we incurred from what I was reading. Correct. 1156 01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:25,920 » That's a very loaded number question right there. 1157 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,719 » Well, now Yeah. Yeah. I got I got you. >> Yeah, I I see what you're cooking. 1158 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:33,199 » Yeah, >> we can we can wait for me to scroll back 1159 01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:36,719 up to the or I can just tell I can just >> I can remember it was a 250 increase in 1160 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:42,199 state tax revenue minus this >> or I can just confirm it if that's all 1161 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,199 right. Okay, 1162 01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:50,880 » Tim, would we just roll would we would we just roll that into the midyear 1163 01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:56,159 budget amendment then or are you looking to do something sooner than that? 1164 01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:58,480 I I think this can be rolled into the midyear. 1165 01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:02,080 » Midyear. That's what I was thinking too. Okay. 1166 01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:04,639 » Um any additional comments, questions, concerns regarding an approval of 1167 01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:08,400 Memorial Park number two? >> You're right. It was like a in a net 1168 01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:11,520 increase of like 570K. >> We had a good situation. It was better 1169 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:15,360 than our bad situation. So, we're not in a worse situation. 1170 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:20,400 » I think we should sit pretty comfortable this budget cycle, but you know, we'll 1171 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:23,280 see. So, um, 1172 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,920 hearing no additional questions, I'm going to proceed forward. Approval of 1173 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:29,120 special event permit Tonytown Pride, June 20th, 2027. Any comments, 1174 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:33,120 questions, concerns for council regarding that? 1175 01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:36,080 Hearing none, proceeding forward. Approval of sewer flow study. Again, 1176 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:40,000 this is something we had talked about previously at the water meeting back in 1177 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:46,480 April. Um, you know, we've been working back and forth with the cont or the what 1178 01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:51,480 is it? CDM Smith on this. Um, so does council have any additional comments, 1179 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,480 questions, concerns regarding that? 1180 01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:58,480 » We we had talked about this uh I think back the last time that Brian Lubenau 1181 01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:01,679 from CDM Smith was here. Um, >> it was April for the water meeting 1182 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:06,800 » talking about the water water and sewer stuff. Um, and the question came up 1183 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:10,719 about the um, effectiveness of the INI program and um, so there's 1184 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:14,960 » found that it was effective, right? That's what I remember. Like it did it 1185 01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:17,960 job doing what it was supposed to do. >> Yes. 1186 01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:27,520 » And yes. So the the CEM Smith memo included in your packet um has a lot of 1187 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:29,840 uh a lot of data uh to share, but the >> it has charts. 1188 01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:33,920 » I like charts. >> I know. 1189 01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:41,320 » Yeah. The estimated RNI uh or the RN INI rates. I was like, nice trending down. I 1190 01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,320 like this chart. This is good. 1191 01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:52,719 Good information. But as as um you know we did target the projects that we 1192 01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:56,239 expected the biggest reduction you know we did those projects first. 1193 01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:02,320 » So the next project going to have a lesser impact right? So as we you know 1194 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:07,440 for example we we replaced and relined um terracotta sewer that was next to a 1195 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:13,760 stream bed. So, we know there's going to be a lot of water coming in there. Um, 1196 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:20,080 you know, so we're we've we've basically gotten all those um projects completed 1197 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:24,960 now. Uh, you know, more recently we did the the um manholes closest to the 1198 01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:30,400 treatment plant on the main sewer interceptor. Um, and you could on a dry 1199 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:35,760 day you could pop a manhole and see water pouring into the, you know, from 1200 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:42,000 the sides of the manhole. Um so you know again those kind of big big reduction 1201 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:46,080 things you know have been already taken care of. So we are at the point where 1202 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:52,080 we're going to see a smaller INI reduction with our future projects as as 1203 01:25:48,880 --> 01:26:00,320 the memo you know summarizes. So, um, they're suggesting a very conservative 1204 01:25:56,480 --> 01:26:07,719 estimate on gallons per day u of inflow and in infiltration reduction per linear 1205 01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:07,719 foot that we do here on out. 1206 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:11,080 » Flattens. 1207 01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:18,120 » Okay. Any additional comments, questions, concerns regarding the 1208 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:18,120 approval of the sewer flow study? 1209 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:27,199 Hearing hearing none. Proceeding forward. Um 1210 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:29,600 I am looking Well, I can't remember. Do I do the motion of a German first before 1211 01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:33,840 the close session or close session first? Um I guess I'm looking for a 1212 01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:35,920 motion of a German to go into close session and then I'm going to read the 1213 01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:40,320 close session stuff. That's what I'll do. Okay. In a minute here, I'm going to 1214 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:43,199 be looking for a motion of adjournment to go into close session of council on 1215 01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:47,840 the what >> I already said. So moved. 1216 01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:50,159 » No, I got I got a read the statement first. 1217 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:53,440 » So one last call for a public hearing regarding ordinance 10-226 dwelling 1218 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:57,760 units. Anybody would like to make a comment. I'm seeing everybody in the 1219 01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:00,719 audience leave. So that is a no. Um so I'm going to go ahead and close the 1220 01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:05,199 public hearing regarding ordinance 10-226 accessory dwelling units. With 1221 01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:08,000 that said, I am looking I'm going to be looking for a motion to go into close 1222 01:27:06,719 --> 01:27:14,000 session. Give me one second to read the close session statement on the date 1223 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:18,960 September 9th, 2026 at city hall at 8:56 p.m. In accordance to the Maryland 1224 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:22,400 Open Meetings Act, title 10 governmental procedures subtitle 5, meaning section 1225 01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:27,440 3-305B, this meeting will be closed is disclosed only to consult with council 1226 01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:31,840 to obtain legal advice. The following is a list of the subjects 1227 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:35,040 to be discussed. Citation 3-305B7 deoper matters and to obtain legal 1228 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,199 advice in regards to them. I am looking for a motion of a German to go into that 1229 01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:40,480 closed session. >> So moved. 1230 01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:44,000 » Looking for a second. >> Second. 1231 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,520 » Uh all those in favor signify by saying I. 1232 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:49,520 » I. I. >> We are closed in we are adjourned in a 1233 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,560 closed session. So let's go ahead and wrap up the public stream and let's get 1234 01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:56,239 directly into that unless somebody needs a break. 1235 01:27:53,920 --> 01:28:00,040 » Can I have like a five minute bathroom? >> Five minute break real quick.