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» Fantastic. Sean, you met officially.
>> Do it.

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I am. Yes.
>> All right, everybody. Thanks for coming

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tonight.

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» All right, we are at workshop six
tonight. Uh we are going to talk a um

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mostly about the elementary schools. Um,
so, uh, what you'll see in the

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presentation tonight and in the
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regarding the elementarymentaries.
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conversation. Um, Andy, did you want to
do the welcome?

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» Yeah. Um, you will recall that we have
had a couple of meetings.

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Uh, we're looking at dates in uh,
September, October, August, September.

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» Uh, September. We've got one in June
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committee to bring it through. There may
be some additional work and so really

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what we're thinking about having you
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and we'll take you a little more through
that as we go. But uh we we will want

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you guys to work through and give some
creative suggestions to some of the work

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that we're going to do. really
appreciate

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everybody continuing to be with the TOA
and um again as always if you guys have

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questions between these meetings I am
available um you know for any

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conversation maybe have in between meets
um but I'll I'll talk further when we

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get a little further and I hear a lot of
you clicking your binders if you don't

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want to take your other binders home
there are boxes over here. Uh the

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district will reuse those. Uh they're
smaller ones, so feel free to um either

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leave them at your table or put them in
the box as you walk out. Okay.

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So, um today we're just going to do a
little bit of a recap from last time to

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remind everybody. Uh we will talk about
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elementarymentaries um with a little bit
of an exercise in there. Uh we do have a

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guest guest here um Ryan Mallister with
Gertie Builders who will talk about

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construction costs and the current
industry trends right now. Um we will

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also do an updated exercise for cost and
priority setting because of the

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consolidation discussion that we're
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and so what we want the group to kind of
focus on is high, medium, and low

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priorities. So we've been focusing on
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start looking at three different
buckets. So what needs to happen within

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the first five years between five and 10
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So that's really what the long range
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address not just the short term but the
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Okay.
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We've got a couple of uh sessions before
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add some workshops because of this
consolidation discussion and making sure

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that we all get a consensus
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we will end our workshops in October um
then put forward the long range facility

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plan to the board for approval at the
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And that submission for um the deadline
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documentation of the applications for
the grants in uh for the awesome grant

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and the track grant.
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mentioned those added workshops. These
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9th, September 1st, September 15th, and
October 6th. So those would be the four

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added workshops that we have.

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And then as always, there's a a makeup
session. So get in touch with Chris um

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if anybody happens to miss this evening.
So this is our process right now. We're

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going to spend a couple of workshops on
item six, working through those

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priorities. Um, we heard a an update on
the polling last time. Um, and so some

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of that information is is imperative to
talk about tonight and our next workshop

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when we talk about the U middle schools
and high schools. Uh but that's why

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we're kind of right sizing our concepts
and our budgets based on the

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conversations about um consolidation and
right sizing the high schools and middle

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schools um based on the
potential growth that we were talked

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about last time. So
just a recap of that information um from

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flow analytics. The red bar is where
your schools are now and then the green

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bar is where they anticipate you being
in 10 years. And so these little little

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dots here are the current capacity of
your school. So just a reminder of how

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much space is available based on the
capacity and your current enrollment.

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And then the green bar your future
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Um, and then just reminder of, you know,
how many people are projected to not be

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enrolled is a little surprising, but
it's something that we definitely want

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to address tonight.
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2031 numbers, you have
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utilized. And so that's what the the
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probably the maximum that you want to
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so that means you've still got quite a
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um utilization in some of these schools.
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want to talk about consolidation this
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So, we intentionally are going to have
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brainstorm.
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were a district that did not have a bond
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different, right? Because if we have a
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that. Um,
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what we ultimately can accomplish and
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time. So as we look forward we will want
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working towards a possible election
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ask you to do is just really hone in on
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numbers as well as the current because
you know we always have that big chart

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in front of us and and we get lost. we
don't really think about the different

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buildings. And so what we did was we
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want you guys to look at that as well.
So that you can say, okay, that's what

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it will look like in five years, right?
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intervals. You may remember at the very
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committee to be working every 5 years on
facilities so that we don't lose track

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so that we can't you know like finding
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committee. It's just harder and then we
don't have the community voice in these

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decisions to the extent that we probably
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We talked I think Tim Washko asked right
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elementary schools are we going to be
doing something about that? And so, uh,

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talking with the board, um, in their
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um, would make recommendations about
facilities because this is a fundamental

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undertaking. It's we're talking about
our facilities, that we may make

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recommendations,
but the board must do the work and we

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have two of them here and they're on the
hook. Kind of, not really. I mean, a

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little bit. So um they would be making
that decision and we would take time to

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process towards any of these
recommendations. It is not my job to do

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it. I can't just say hey we need to do
this this and this. It is the

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community's job to do this right and of
course through the port. That is a a

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very important part and and it we have
to work through we have to be able to

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answer questions as we do that. And so
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Um, so I'm putting some sideboards
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Boundary change recommendations should
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And I'll tell you why we're thinking
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to another elementary school because we,
you know, you guys see that we have

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capacity,
then that can spiral to, well, where

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will those kids go to high school,
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everything can be on fire and yet we're
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going to ask the committee to make
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those kids would go as elementary
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be done on boundaries and where kids
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transfers a year to west Albany total of
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west Albany has 1230 kids. South Albany
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student difference. If the transfers
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for the high schools are 400 students
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There's work to be done there.
Certainly not before bond. Right? So,

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I'm I'm just saying let's let's figure
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realistic. Right?

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We recommend or we would recommend that
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committee in the future to work on that
work as well. But that is so

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detailoriented
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drawn deeply into other things and it
just it would be inefficient. We would

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all of a sudden have mission creep that
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talking about facilities. Tonight's
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there. Okay.
>> Tim had brought up at that meeting, how

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many elementary schools do we have? We
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average about 260 kids in each
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Medford the other day say, you know,
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they have downsizing enrollment. We
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consider the optimal 450 kids.
Right now, I don't think we have the

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capacity to do that in this district.
we'd have to build, you know, a couple

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more Oak Grove, Meadow Ridge type
schools. So, we have to be very

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thoughtful about this. Let's go to the
next slide.

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So, just to give you guys kind of a
reminder of the timeline for a bond or

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school consolidation,
we are tonight looking at this. We want

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you guys to think about it. Then we'll
have you guys share out. We've got paper

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here and you guys can think about, hey,
what should we do

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in May? we would come back after having
heard every group and their thinking,

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come back in May. One of the things that
could come out tonight is some really

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good questions and we would take the
time to come back and answer those

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questions at the next meeting so that
everybody is generally in consensus

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about what we uh are thinking about
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Sometime in either May or June, we would
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It could come I I depending on how much
longer we're going to be as we build a

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bond that that could come to the board
as part of the facility plan

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recommendations. It could come as a
separate recommendation if we can get

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there sooner and then we would look to
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What I am hoping for and you know board
members you you guys will be very much

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all ears tonight because it is our hope
that what we recommend the board is also

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in support of right so that they align
um Corvalis jumped off the plan and

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surprised people and they ended up doing
something that had not been talked about

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and that was very uh you know people
felt caught unawares and so what we have

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to do is spend time that's in part my
job the board members as well that we

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need to before May begin to um
understand hey board this is what this

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means you know would this is this
something that can work and it it takes

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a little bit more that's why I put May
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that what we have this group is ready to
do and the board is ready to do as well.

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Right? So that that's how you make a
bill become law. It's got to pass both

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houses, right? And so it's it's a really
important concept.

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That work would then be the boards to do
through the fall and hopefully early

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spring. And then the bond that we have
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expiring would be May of 27.
And then either in 27th fall or at some

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point after that um there would be work
on district boundaries,

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right? And again we want to have
congruence. We want to have alignment um

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and so bringing both groups together
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doing or we um you know it could be that
you know they are able to follow this

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pretty well through board members report
back and we begin to develop that. Let's

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go to the last one. So,
here's what we're going to ask you guys

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to do tonight. Um, and I do want some
time at closing tonight. Okay. Um,

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recommendations that we would ask you
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schools that we may look to close or
consolidate

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in the next two years.
schools which the district may consider

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in the next 5 years because you're
looking at the 3031 data tonight.

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The it says there at the end only roofs.
I don't think that like if there's one

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consistent bugaboo that boards get into
is if they put a bunch of money into a

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school and then close it a short time
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be for consideration in time
and what you guys think about tonight

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after you've heard everybody else's
ideas. Then we'll take a month we'll

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share those and have the board um look
at those. But then we'll come back at

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the next meeting and see whether we can
get a little further in that work. So

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that this is a really thoughtful process
and we're thinking five years out as

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well as right now.
The question to answer with each school,

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where will the kids go? It's first
question the parents going to ask,

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right? What's going to happen to those
kids? Where will they go? What does that

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mean? And I think we need to think about
that. And I'm only asking you guys to

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think about where they would go at their
elementary level. I'm not asking you to

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take on the world right now. This is
what we think we can accomplish at this

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time. It may be that you guys are, you
know, like there's a couple of really

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good ideas come out and I really look
forward to that. Every time I visit with

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you guys, I I'm impressed with the
smarts in the room. And you guys are

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taking an outside look at things and
that's very helpful as well. Remember

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what JL Wilson said though, right?
Because JL's given us two surveys and

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they show that we pull really well. He's
kind of surprised at how well we pull if

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we stay within our tax uh rate. But at
the same time, he did say this when he

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saw the last survey. Walk with care
doing this work, right? So, we have to

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really think about that. It was clear
when that poll question was asked that

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that can drag down a little bit uh the
general support for long. So, we want to

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be very thoughtful about that.
Finally, whatever we do, right, we're

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going to pull at least one more time,
right? We're not going to go blindly

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from what we know now. We will pull at
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» So, I think Jane's gonna walk us through
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» Next slide.

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» Next one.
>> There you go.

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» So, this was some stuff I think Dave
Reese had asked this of us at a at a

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meeting. Um, it's just Dave's going to
take us through some of the costs by

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school, by student, and just give us an
insight into this. and um

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» it's pretty small in your books but um
>> they do have handouts.

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» Okay.
>> So, good evening. I'm Jane Niger, the

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business director for the district. This
is my fourth year with the district and

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um before that I worked with Dave and
Andy at Marsenium. So, um you had asked

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for costs for school and what we might
save if we consolidated. So, I'm going

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to take you through our thinking with
that and Dave's going to chime in as we

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go through this. But this first slide
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this first column is the projected ADMR.
Originally, ADMR is our average daily

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membership is how we're paid per
student. And so, I always think of

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funding, I was comparing cost to
revenue. And so, I use ADMR. The other

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numbers you're looking at is
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So, they are different numbers.
And when I was looking at this, at first

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I had our
December enrollment and but Susie is

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working for a budget on how many
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down about a hundred. So, I used Suz's
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So instead of 3,300, we're at 32.
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staff in the buildings. And that is the
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budget, general fund, SIA, the state
grants. So it excludes our special

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program staff. It excludes our title
staff, but it does have custodial and

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food service because those staff change.
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some savings. So that is how I chose to
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because they would go with the students.
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cost from the general budget. So, it
includes the supplies, the cost of the

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copers,
um some general fund maintenance. So, in

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the general fund, there's about 700,000
that's budgeted just for school repairs

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and it's divided maybe 25,000 to a
little school. So, it's that is included

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in those numbers that cost because we
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closed the school.
>> Salaries in that one too.

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» Yeah. all the salaries, payroll costs,
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just because you mentioned that our
payroll costs are 40% on top of salary

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when you take in PERS and all the cost
and our insurance is about 18,000 an

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employee and so it adds up really
quickly. And the last column is the cost

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per student. And you can see there's
four dark blue lines. Those are the four

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schools we're recommending to look at
because they are the highest cost per

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student. They are the lowest enrollment.
They're all below 200.

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Oak is just barely 199. And Tina, you
can see, is the highest cost per

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student. But if we close central and
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Any questions on that slide before I

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» can I one question. Why is it so
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because you said title doesn't play into
this,

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» right? So like what is it that makes
Liberty be a significantly?

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» It's the if you look it's the FTE that
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thing is
>> and the number of students right

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» so principal divided across 110 kids
principal divided across 304

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» the higher population then okay
>> so if you look at oak they have 199

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students their cost is 14,000
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almost the same FTE but only 171
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And this slide shows it's a summary of
the projected savings for us. And so it

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took that information FTE total cost and
you'll see in the next slides how we got

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to the general ed savings. So this
column is general fund dollar savings we

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would realize year after year.

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And then Dave is going to talk about
future maintenance projects which

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doesn't come out of the general fund.
It's our capital projects fund

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and our leftover bond dollar fund.
Those would be one-time expenditures

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that we would not make.
So basically what I did in that column

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was all the facility assessments that
you've been looking at over the last

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couple months. I only thing I kept in
there would be a roof or anything from

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the outside prevent water to come in. So
if that building was sitting idle,

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everything else that would be due for
maintenance or repairs would be pushed

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off just to keep it dry inside the
building. So that's what's reflected in

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those costs. So the savings are
everything else but to keep the building

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dry.

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» Questions on that?

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And this is a document. I've given you
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It's in a handout, but I wanted to show
you the thinking. This is what we use to

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calculate what we might save. And so you
can see I use Tangent as an example. We

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have a.75 administrator at Tangent. We
would realize 100% of that savings

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because that principal would no longer
be at that school. And then we

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guesstimated
based on the students going to different

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schools 50% of the FTE would go with
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50%.
And this program budget is the school

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budget. So we realize 100% savings. Subs
utilities

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I guess 50% because employees are 50%.
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Because those are minor repairs that
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savings is 8.29.

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And then this is what Dave was talking
about. In our work, you've seen these

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cost estimates for the future
maintenance projects. 2.3 million.

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But the roof we would still do.
So that's not a savings. We're going to

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subtract it out. So for this school,
it's 2.1 million savings in future

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repairs and maintenance projects that we
would not do.

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Does that make sense?

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» I guess the number of staff is that
contractually

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» this is actual staff who are in the
building right now.

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» So our current headcount
is it based on total number of people or

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is it based on
school? I mean if you Yeah.

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» So it's based on
>> number of kids. Okay.

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So Andy, I think you're backed on.
>> I'm back on.

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» You are.
>> Next slide.

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So again, um,
what we're going to look have you look

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at and you should also have a handout on
current enrollment and then 203031

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enrollment. And I think it's a separate
handout as well, so it's big. You can

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see it. What we want to ask you guys to
do is look at capacity versus

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enrollment,
proximity to other school boundaries.

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You do have a 11 by 17 boundary map in
front of you on the table. Um, it's in

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the middle of the table, I believe. And
what we would like you guys to do is on

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a a chart paper,
elect someone to kind of record the

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ideas,
keep in mind um what the cap like say,

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hey, they should go to this school.
Well, you should look and see what the

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capacity is in the school you're sending
the kids to, right? Um we don't want to

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overenroll in a given environment. We
want to take a look at where uh those

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moves might be made. We have included
four schools. Those were the high cost

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and um I believe they're the four
smallest enrollment. Right? So that is

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why they're on the list. Remember JL's
guidance to this group. Be thoughtful

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about that and uh and just take take
your look at this and see what uh what

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are like easy moves? what are uh by
203031

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we might have to do something right
those kind of things and put up uh in no

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particular order you can say this one
needs to happen now this one we need to

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watch and and just build a list it
doesn't matter what order you go in

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terms of priority or whatever and then
we're going to share out we'll listen to

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every group's thinking we'll generate
some questions and then our work in the

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next 30 days will be to do that
homework. Okay, Matt.

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» So, in the prior conversations, there
was some discussions around the

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potential for building uh another
elementary school. You know, how do we

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kind of do we consider that as part of
this conversation of

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» the other place, even though this is
elementary, you can also look at like

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what's the enrollment of a middle school
nearby, right? Those kind of things are

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all like we want to we don't want to
curb you to that extent. If you guys

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want to take a look at that and say,
"Hey, this is this would be a great idea

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that would help solve that problem."
That's worth us hearing and thinking and

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looking at wide open.
>> Yes. Uh, so I'm thinking about Meadow

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Ridge and I have this perception that
it's bursting at the seams and I see

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just more happening coming
>> and whether or not

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uh there needs to be a boundary change
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that it makes it well I say this is
because when I look at what's the next

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closest school in the bridge I see
>> for example as a boundary for kids to go

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» but I I guess that just becomes part of
our notes that we take.

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» Yeah. That um
>> so and I will I think I can answer some

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questions right now with a few pieces of
information.

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» Number one, when I got to Albany,
Meadow Ridge had 570

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K3.
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» 495 now.
>> 495

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now.
So the population has declined.

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» Okay.
>> Uh second

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Millersburg students that reside in the
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west of I5 in Millersburg.
>> There are approximately 30 kids per

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grade.
>> Okay.

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» Does that make sense?
>> Y.

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» Okay. And if you look at projected
enrollment, it continues to go down even

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though the building that was
interesting. If you go back and look at

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those from our last meeting,
>> as a whole, the ridges continue to go

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down even though there's
>> we're not getting that many students.

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» Yep.
>> I think I had one more fact, but I

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forget it. So Doris, go. So the question
if we're considering the consolidation

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all those students don't have to go to
that one school they can be split

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amongst other schools. Is that correct?
>> Yes. Although I would say I I would

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think that that so that could be a
question and then we would provide you a

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plot map of where the kids actually
reside and we can bring that back at the

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next meeting.
>> Is you mentioned something about open

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enrollment I think to upper grade
earlier. Is that any impact in

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consideration for elementary schools?
>> Well, we still have the ability for

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students to transfer.
>> I mean, is it something that you expect

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as a result of shifting populations?
>> That would be something we would want to

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consider, right? But it if if the if you
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right, that would not like we have
through flow the number of kids that are

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going transferring into that school and
transferring out now. But there would be

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um like this district years and years
ago had a practice where they would

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accept all people who wanted to transfer
at the start and then someone would move

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into that district if the school filled
up, they would have to go to another

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school, right, which is like the wild
west. And so, uh, but that is like if

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you have an explicit question about one
of those, we will look at that. We can

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put that together.
>> It actually was in one of our docs last

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time. Yeah. If you go back
transfers in and transfers out from each

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school, Kevin, are we just looking at
projected enrollments or are we going to

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layer on top of projected costs to keep
different buildings up? Because if we're

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» It's both. We would ask you guys to mix
both and give that consideration. But

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for this exercise, it's just enrollment
or we actually layer both.

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» No, I think like you know I balding
comes to mind is a big one and and so

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yep, that's certainly a consideration.
Bob,

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» um
there's some

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talk about the
the the two new schools, metal,

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making it a junior, I'm sorry, a middle
school instead of an intermediate

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school.
>> Timber and I'm sorry, timber metal.

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» Is that anything that we should consider
in this conversation? So I think that's

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like if if you guys look at those
numbers you okay that that will work

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right and and you want to put it up I'm
I think that's something we could

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consider look at.
>> Yeah.

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» Thank you.
>> How many fourth fifth graders do you

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have at Timber
>> like 270.

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» So we have 25 minutes. So, uh,
>> get a put a recorder who wants to report

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out and, uh, put your ideas down. Love
to hear.

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» So, when the short hand is on 11,
>> we'll have everybody report back out.

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» Okay.
>> Okay.

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So,
>> I'm not your

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There's just one
whole

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point having it over here.

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» You don't want to do that.

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So the amount of money

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» get our last ideas down on paper. We
don't have

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» We can just write schedule this as a
side.

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» Exactly.
>> Before you leave.

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» Before you leave, get
>> superend.

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» All right.

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» Is there a table who would like to go
first?

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» Yep.

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All right. You can close the whole
district

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» pretty much.
>> A couple ideas we talked about. First

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one got the most discussion was closing
Naz Central to Kina

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» which is 502 kids. Send them all to
NAMS. All the NAMS kids then go to

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either Memorial and the 90 BEPs go to
Kaipu.

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» Say that again.
>> What's 90?

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» Say that last sentence again.
>> Uh the 90

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» students that are in the bilingual ed we
would combine. We've been talking about

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doing that anyway. So they would go to
Calulia.

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00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,680
» How did you move over there?
>> Because I start the wrong table and I

418
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:26,400
move.
>> So they would go to Calouia.

419
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,800
» So that was our first one. and they're
also on the other side doing it from the

420
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:35,200
natural
>> lines. Uh the second one, we like the

421
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,040
idea of building Millersburg, but with a
caveat that you'd need to close Waverly

422
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:45,200
to do that and then Waverly Kids would
then go to Millersburg. Uh the last one,

423
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:50,160
uh tangent, high cost, but it is I mean
so far out there if you're to do that,

424
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:54,480
um how popular is it going to be, but
sending those kids then to Oak or

425
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:58,320
Sunrise?
Some discussion points that came up were

426
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:04,160
the title status of the four schools
that were highlighted. Um what

427
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:09,040
determines that? Did that title status
carry over to the other schools that

428
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:14,680
they close those ones? Um it's kind of a
more discuss we have any questions.

429
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,119
» Thank you.

430
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,560
» I'd like to go next. Go for it.
>> I'm talking too.

431
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:28,720
» All right.
>> You're the only one who can read you

432
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,880
right.
>> That's fair. Do I have to put this up

433
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,359
somewhere?
>> Uh, yeah.

434
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:38,119
» All right. I didn't want to cover
theirs, but I can go up here.

435
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:45,359
» Uh, so our table we discussed closing
Central, closing Waverly, and closing

436
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:50,880
Tangent, and also looking at options for
closing North Albany Elementary School.

437
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:54,079
Um, we talked about moving boundaries
instead of having all of the kids go to

438
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:59,359
one specific school that it currently
exists, maybe moving boundaries of

439
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:03,839
adjacent schools with capacity to make
the move population locations within

440
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:09,680
those boundaries to fit within where
other adjacent boundaries would fit that

441
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:15,359
population. Um, and then maybe joking,
maybe not, do all of these whenever Andy

442
00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:19,680
retires. Uh
and then uh question we had was closing

443
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,839
schools. Uh was that connected directly
to the bond before? Are we doing that

444
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:29,200
before or after if that's something that
we're doing? Um and then also being

445
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:32,480
aware of if we are putting um ASAP
doesn't necessarily mean next year, but

446
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:36,400
more so if we are going to be closing
these in the foreseeable future, not

447
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:40,480
putting a ton of investment into them
getting a bond or not. So that was kind

448
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,359
of where we were at. Did I miss
anything?

449
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,359
» Sweet. Any questions?
>> A+

450
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:56,480
just for clarification, Fergrove was
closed as a part of the bond when Oak

451
00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:00,000
Grove was rebuilt.
>> That's correct.

452
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,359
» Fairmont was not part of that. Fairmont
had been closed prior.

453
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:06,480
» Right.
>> That's correct.

454
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:08,720
» Okay. Well, Fergrove didn't have
students in it, did it?

455
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:14,680
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, before the before Oak was open.

456
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,680
Definitely.

457
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,480
» Not very large.

458
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,839
» What is going on with Bird Road? Like is
it just a a building we have that we

459
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:34,240
don't do anything with it? Uh we are
looking uh with the Wamd in Salem to put

460
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:40,720
a regional behavior center there and
they feel like they can serve Pulp

461
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:45,040
County, Dallas central as well uh in
that if they if they centrally located

462
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:50,960
and it's it's not a bad thing. It's kind
of like putting a you know there's not a

463
00:39:48,480 --> 00:40:01,680
lot of places to go for a kid who might
want to leave that campus outdoors by so

464
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:05,920
So, and we're still in conversation.
>> It's a blue one, right?

465
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:11,440
» Oh, we just got covered up.
>> Yeah, that's okay. We'll flip back. Um,

466
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:16,160
so we were saying that you would add on
to Tina and Consolidate Central there.

467
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:20,880
The question though would be is because
this seems bond dependent, which comes

468
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:26,480
first, the consolidation or the bond? Um
and then which hopping down here,

469
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:32,160
Waverly would consolidate to Tina Meadow
and Southshore. And then Tangent we

470
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,359
would send to Liberty and Oak like those
who are west of 99 would go to Liberty

471
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:40,560
and those who are east of 99 going to
Oak which then allows it to absorb new

472
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:44,480
development. Also um we felt like it
seems unrealistic with functional

473
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:49,119
capacities to consolidate four like to
close four schools. And then we also

474
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,800
revisiting the Millersburg Elementary
concept felt like it kind of looks

475
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:58,720
foolish to be spending money on building
a whole new building for a new school

476
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:01,720
site when um enrollment isn't the same.
>> Yeah.

477
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,720
» You can put it up there. That's great.

478
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:27,200
So we just stayed with um the elementary
schools ignoring not talking about what

479
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:31,920
might happen with middle school but uh
closing central movement to to teena.

480
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:37,760
The question is
can Tina absorb that population now or

481
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:44,079
do we have to wait until we get an
addition to the

482
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:49,680
property? Um,
we also talked about uh closing Oak and

483
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:54,640
and consolidating that to Lafayette.
>> Those two schools are very close.

484
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:59,680
» Population uh movement would be
relatively small. Uh and in the last

485
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:07,280
bond, there was a large addition put on
Lafayette. It has quite a capacity now.

486
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:14,240
Um and then closing O'Hel Elementary and
moving them to Oak Grove. Um, again, do

487
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:18,720
we have to put a little bit more
addition on Oak Grove to handle that

488
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:22,880
capacity?
And

489
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:27,280
we didn't get to to my question on that
as we were talking about it. Is that a

490
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:34,800
temporary move and as we put a new
school and where North Alman Elementary

491
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:42,160
is right now or is it a permanent move?
>> So, the Tina cannot absorb central now.

492
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:47,280
Um so the move would have to put those
that addition we had a six classroom

493
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:50,720
addition as part of this bond package to
take those class those students from

494
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:53,280
central.
>> Okay.

495
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:56,560
» Our other question was are six
classrooms necessary because the delta

496
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,839
between functional capacity projected
attendance is six to seven.

497
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:04,880
» It is because they're separated by
grade. They're not separated like it's

498
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:10,400
not all um K through six. It's K through
three, four, five, and six. So it's you

499
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:13,800
would need those classrooms because it's
a different grade.

500
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,800
» Thank you for

501
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:29,280
» All right. So we started with a question
which seems like everyone else is on the

502
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:36,240
same track of why are we not looking at
possibly closing North Albany Elementary

503
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:40,880
when the cost of repair is so high. Um
but we did look at closing tangents and

504
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:48,079
they would go to possibly Liberty Oak
and Lafayette just kind of split them.

505
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:52,960
» Um building upon Tina to take in all of
Central and then also Waverly and the

506
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:57,040
discussion was where we ended was trying
to figure out would they go to Sunrise

507
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:01,760
Periwinkle where would they go and how
does that all work? So

508
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:07,079
» actually potentially some of them could
even go to the near

509
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,079
» right. Yeah.

510
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:22,680
talk. Give it everybody. All right. Any
conversations or questions that came up

511
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,680
with everybody's ideas?

512
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:32,560
Well, we can take a break, couple
minute, five minute break, and then

513
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:38,000
we'll come back and talk about low,
middle, high kind of tier. Um, priority

514
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:41,400
settings.
>> Thank you guys.

515
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,319
» Back together.

516
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:04,480
So, now that we've heard all of the
different things, are we going to have

517
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,520
like five minutes in our groups to talk
about anything that we suggest

518
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:13,000
different?
>> Yeah, we're going to have we're going to

519
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,000
have another exercise that's about

520
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,480
everyone can start taking their seats.

521
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:35,400
101.
>> I didn't want to do a 2011 for you.

522
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:52,880
» Uh, some of you may know Ryan. Ryan
Mallister is um with Gerting Builders.

523
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:57,520
He worked um quite a bit of the 2017
bond work with Greater Albany. So, um,

524
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:00,880
he's very intimately familiar with the
district and the region. So, take it

525
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,880
away.
>> Yeah. Um, so Amy asked us to just kind

526
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:10,480
of take a look at their co third party
cost estimating from they hired and look

527
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:14,960
at what our experience is. And just
before I get there, just to kind of set

528
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:18,240
the table. So, during the runup, there's
a lot of different bond uh school bonds

529
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:22,079
going on at the same time. If you all
remember, we had a chance to work with

530
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,079
Sweet Home, Jefferson, Monroe, Corvalis,
and then GAPS, some other districts as

531
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:31,920
well. So, for a while, we're doing a lot
of school. Right now, we're working on

532
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:36,000
two school projects. Um, both of them,
one's out for pricing. Actually, they're

533
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:39,839
both out for pricing, but um, you know,
it's just the school construction market

534
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:46,319
is as we're all as you guys are all kind
of wrestling with, is is kind of in

535
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:51,280
really challenging times. Um,
so really just kind of understanding

536
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:56,079
what the cost estimator put together and
and we looked at it and based upon what

537
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:00,000
we're seeing in the market today. So,
for example, right now as a firm in the

538
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:04,640
Midlammit Valley, we've got about $100
million in projects under construction.

539
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:09,119
So, getting a good sense of where are
the numbers at, where should they be?

540
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:13,200
Um, and as a cost estimating firm,
they're going to look at dollars like in

541
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:16,560
today in 2025 and that and then from
there the real question is are you

542
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:22,400
making good assumptions based upon
today's dollars and then the real magic

543
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:28,880
comes of what is my escalation and what
am I projecting that and so looking at

544
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:33,040
the numbers they they put together um
from from a public standpoint because

545
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:37,520
these are all going to be public dollars
you know the numbers are pretty much

546
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:42,000
where they should as far as what we're
seeing in today's dollars. Um, and then

547
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:45,760
the real question goes back to es cost
escalation. Figuring on about a 4 and

548
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:49,200
a.5% annual cost escalation
year-over-year.

549
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:54,640
Um, seems about right. It's kind of what
we're seeing. So, um, kind of not a

550
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,640
rabbit trail, but just what we've seen
in the last 6, eight months is costs

551
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:04,720
really started to kind of stabilize on
on the construction standpoint,

552
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:08,800
but we've also seen there there's like
every 6 months you're seeing material

553
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:12,000
pricing increases anywhere from 5 to
10%. Mhm.

554
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:15,440
» And so while that's kind of stabiliz
while material while the price is

555
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,359
stabilizing, you have this upward
pressure and that's getting absorbed by

556
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:24,400
the trade partners as far as they're
decreasing their margins and that can

557
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:29,920
only go so far. And so what we're seeing
like in the bid world today is um there

558
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:34,160
is a lot of competition. We can tell
that subcontractors are reducing their

559
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:37,920
margins, you know, just to get work. And
so there is kind of a depressed

560
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:44,000
subcontracting market. How long is that
going to last? you know, it's hard to

561
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:48,160
say, but it's I feel like there's
probably some um

562
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,760
pressures that are, you know, it's just
like I just got to get a job. So, what

563
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:55,680
is it going to take to get a job? Um, so
does it really reflect what the number

564
00:48:53,359 --> 00:49:00,559
would be in an ideal situation? Probably
not. So, you know, again, looking at a

565
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:04,640
4.5% cost escalation year-over-year, is
that a reasonable assumption? It feels

566
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,760
very reasonable to us. And and then we
looked at the cost like of what a new

567
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,599
construction cost today. We've priced
out, we're currently pricing out a new

568
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,440
elementary school that is privately
funded. And then you start to look at

569
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:20,480
the delta between uh privately funded
and publicly funded schools. Uh and that

570
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:27,119
cost delta again, it fits right where it
needs to be. So um yeah, let's see here.

571
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:32,640
Where else are some of my notes on this?
Um, we're seeing just for the just for

572
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:36,079
context in the market today as a general
contractor, we're seeing just a lot of

573
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:40,000
renovations, maintenance projects, and
seismic projects. That's pretty much it

574
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:45,680
and that's all that's out there. There's
not a lot of new projects out there. Um,

575
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:50,720
I mentioned inflation, fuel search
charges, uh, the depressed subcontractor

576
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:53,920
market. So just seeing things as we
start to kind of you know look through

577
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:58,400
the looking glass and you know just
trying to understand what is it going to

578
00:49:55,119 --> 00:50:03,760
be like in in 2027 and what is it going
to be like in 2032 from a cost

579
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:08,000
standpoint. Um you have to kind of take
a measured guess and and hope that the

580
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:14,319
times we're going to live in are can be
somewhat stable and and there aren't any

581
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:17,040
major market outliers. But the I guess
you know as we look at it today I mean

582
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:22,000
that feels like a very reasonable
assumption. So

583
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:25,839
um yeah like I said we looked through
there's a very first of all you got a

584
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:29,839
very very detailed cost estimate that
was done by the cost ad spending firm

585
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:34,559
got very very granular made some really
good assumptions the what we saw was the

586
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:39,520
flexibility there's flexibility to
really start look at systems as far as

587
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:45,280
how important and you know do you go
with a Cadillac system for lighting

588
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:49,040
control or do you go with you know uh
you know a Kia or do you go with a

589
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Chevy, you know, those different grades
of systems. That's the ability to kind

590
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:56,319
of play with, you know, your your budget
bucket. And the same thing with, you

591
00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:00,480
know, HVAC. I mean, there's a lot of
solutions out there that involve

592
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:06,800
tremendously complicated systems. Um,
but there's solutions out there that

593
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:09,599
have um lower first cost, but then the
maintenance cost increases. You know,

594
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,359
you have a higher maintenance cost
year-over-year. So, kind of weigh all

595
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,640
that stuff out and kind of weigh through
it. I mean th those are kind of the

596
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,880
variables that you kind of get to play
with and really starting to dig down and

597
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:25,920
say what what what is the right decision
here. So I don't know if I've muddied

598
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:29,200
the waters but you know it it's just I
guess probably the major takeaway here

599
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:34,240
is looking at the numbers that you're
going to see or maybe you've already

600
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:38,720
seen uh based upon 2025 and then
escalated at like a 4 and a.5% um it

601
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:43,520
does feel like they're they're what we
would expect to see in the market in the

602
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:46,680
future. So,
>> thank you.

603
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:53,520
» Anyone have any questions for Ryan?
>> What is the delta between public and

604
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:57,760
» I was going to ask public and private
>> public and private else be equal?

605
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:01,280
» Oh gosh. You know
>> I

606
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:07,680
it's kind of a moving scale, but let's
say it's somewhere between 15 to 15% 20%

607
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:10,880
somewhere in that. It just depends. An
electrician on a private job is pretty

608
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,680
much going to get paid the same as a
public job just because most

609
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:18,480
electricians they get paid journeyman
wages. You know then you start looking

610
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:23,119
at well painters painters get you know
can you get an inexpensive painter and a

611
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:27,119
union painter. So it really starts to
play out in that. But

612
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:32,319
» general rule 15 20%
>> 15 20% still holds

613
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,960
» why why question
>> prevailing wage prevailing wage

614
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:41,359
» wage prevailing wage prevailing wage
tax. Yeah. I Yeah. Prevented waving.

615
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:44,000
» Exactly what it is.
>> Materials won't cost the same.

616
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:50,240
» Yeah. It's it's the labor.
>> Yeah. For city's cost estimating, we

617
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:54,960
usually average 20 to 30%. Um for to be
on the conservative side just for play

618
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:57,760
paying bully wages. So
>> one

619
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:01,839
» are we required to accept lowest bidder
or do we have flexibility? Like I know

620
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,839
the city has to take lowest bidder. Are
we required legally for that or do we

621
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:09,040
have flexibility?
>> That's a tough question to answer. In

622
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,800
theory, yes, you're supposed to take
lowest bidder, but there are caveats

623
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:19,040
because if the lowest bidder doesn't
qualify their bid, they can be removed

624
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:22,760
from the bid pool. So, there's that's
it's yes and no.

625
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,160
Any other question? I just wanted to
bring Ryan into because we're going to

626
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:34,800
get into another concept. I know
everybody loves this exercise, but it's

627
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:39,119
a slightly different. um we are going to
talk about those high, medium, and low

628
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:43,280
priorities instead of just all in one
bucket like we were doing the last time.

629
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:47,359
So um part of the reason to do this is
because of that that long range plan. We

630
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:52,079
know we've got some immediate needs. We
know we've got some um needs that could

631
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,440
probably be handled in the next 5 to 10
years and then some that we just don't

632
00:53:53,680 --> 00:54:01,480
have the budget for in this bond. So
we're going to put those on the back

633
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:01,480
burner for the next bond. Okay.

634
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:09,599
So, um, this is one of the things, um,
the last two times we did this, we just

635
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:14,880
need to get to a consensus of, uh, what
those three tiered, um, priorities want

636
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:18,559
to be. By the time we're done with our
our workshops and our work with you all,

637
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:23,520
um, we should all feel really
comfortable about the different tiers

638
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:27,520
that we've, uh, created. Um, and this is
just the result of the last couple. We

639
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:31,760
saw this in the last um, last session
that we had, too. But we would ideally

640
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:38,240
have, you know, some some semblance
that's an agreement across all those uh

641
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:42,079
line items.
Do you want to talk about this?

642
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:47,040
» Yeah, I'll take you through this. Um I
showed you these last time. This

643
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:51,920
spreadsheet is actually on um all my
computers that I have, my mobile one and

644
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:56,640
the one in my office. It changes daily.
Okay. So, this is our immediate needs

645
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,440
and summer project. So, and there's
going to be some things that I'm going

646
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:05,280
to need you to mark off that I didn't
get to Amy on your list here. So, um,

647
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:10,240
and the numbers change daily. In fact,
as I was sitting over there, we got our

648
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:16,160
numbers emailed to us for the for the
roofing and timber. So, those came in a

649
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:22,880
couple hours ago. Lauren got those. So,
we're working on this pretty immensely.

650
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:26,559
So, just just as a quick update, um the
some of these things will be going to

651
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:30,400
the board for authorization on the 20th
to try to knock some of these things

652
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:36,319
out. We had to re we reviewed some
assessments. Um PST Pacific Sports Turf

653
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:40,720
does all of our field maintenance and
assessments of those fields. We just

654
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:46,559
received and reviewed some of the
maintenance reports on those. Um we're

655
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:50,240
getting close to um safety issues in
regards to our fields and the use of our

656
00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:55,359
fields. So those have moved up into the
immediate things and that's what I'll be

657
00:55:52,480 --> 00:56:00,160
taking to the board um the 20th. They're
they're deemed they they're running the

658
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:04,000
risk of being deemed unsafe to play on.
>> That's replacement or is that repair?

659
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:09,680
» That's replacement.
>> Yeah. So those numbers are real numbers.

660
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:14,240
Um there these ones have adjusted just a
tiny bit based on square footage, but

661
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:18,160
they're these numbers change on a daily
basis as we're getting in quotes and

662
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:21,760
making sure they're accurate and things
like that. But these are these are some

663
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:26,640
things slated for the summer. The
Calouia freezer we're still working on.

664
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:32,160
Turf at both fields, the pump station at
West, the concrete we're grinding is

665
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:38,400
actually occurring right now. I did some
over spring break. We had since 2021, we

666
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:43,119
had 78 reports of trips and falls across
our district equaling about a half

667
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:47,440
million dollars in payouts. And so all
those trips and falls aren't concrete.

668
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:53,599
Some of them were, right? So that's
going on right now. Um South Al High

669
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:57,760
School track was assessed and reviewed.
Um it's it's almost unusable at this

670
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:01,760
point. They're going to make it through
this year, but they're they're running

671
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:05,440
on spots where there are bare pavement
on that field. So, they're going to

672
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:10,880
stretch it out one more year, but that
needs to needs to be done as well. Um,

673
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:15,520
South Tennis Court is in the same same
boat um types of things. So, those are

674
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:21,440
things that we're we're knocking off the
list for for this year. And so, so

675
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:24,559
that's on I anticipate that. So, that
can be coming off of your list for us as

676
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,440
well.
>> Okay. Yeah.

677
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:31,359
» Why is there a difference between the
two turf estim?

678
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,599
» Uh, different size, square footage.
Okay. Yeah.

679
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:37,280
» I thought a football field was a
football field.

680
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:40,480
» Yes. There's the inlay the size of the
track

681
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:45,839
» the D side of the track is larger.
>> The D zones are synthetic turf at south

682
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:50,720
whereas the track at west.
>> Yeah, that's that's a difference.

683
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:54,720
» So just to clarify, these are the things
we can take off of our consideration for

684
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,200
the tiered.
>> I didn't hear what he said something

685
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:02,640
about the track
at South Albany. They've you know the

686
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:06,960
the round bars the D zones that are
inside the track that's all turf to

687
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:11,920
south the west that's that's all been we
didn't have the same space there's not

688
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:17,200
much
>> and so the the next list is what Amy

689
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:22,160
will work you through but you can see
some of those things this isn't hasn't

690
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:27,200
been updated but some of the things like
replace the the football turf those have

691
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,480
moved up to the top tier this this isn't
getting updated for you so I'm sorry

692
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:34,400
about
So, this is a list I think Amy wants you

693
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,720
to work with tonight.
>> Yeah. So, some you'll see on our um and

694
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:43,760
some of the information that's been put
on your table that um getting through

695
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:49,280
what's what's a higher priority versus a
lower priority is part of these lists.

696
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:53,839
Um and then also the renovation costs um
that we have. So ideally we get to a

697
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:59,359
point where we're saying okay this could
probably be put off and also cons in

698
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:04,240
consideration of which schools might be
closed um which schools are considered

699
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:08,559
just for re- roof over the next 5 years
as we consider consolidation. Um so

700
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:13,599
those are the things that we want to
make sure that we start talking about um

701
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:18,799
tier one, tier two, tier three or high,
minimum, medium and low priorities to

702
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:24,640
make sure that we start looking at what
you know these are obviously the ones

703
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:27,760
that um are still um
this is your high priority. This that

704
00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:32,799
you're handling. So these are the ones
that we want to have the team look at um

705
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:36,960
to make sure that we're putting those in
the right buckets. What's most

706
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:41,680
important? what's not as important.
>> Quick question. When when they put the

707
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:45,359
the the turfs in or the fields in and
they knew it was going to be a 10 year

708
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:50,319
life or a 15 year life or or whatever
the lifespan is on that field, was there

709
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:55,599
any mechanism in place to to start
saving every year? So in 15 years we

710
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:59,520
would have the money replacement.
>> I can answer that. Back then no. Now

711
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:04,079
yes.
>> Okay. So we have um so let if you go

712
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:08,880
back to the previous slide I should have
mentioned cost but we have about $3

713
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:13,599
million of remaining bond funds about
2.6 in capital improvement funds. So the

714
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:18,160
balance of those two funds is roughly
about $6 million. So these projects will

715
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:22,160
come out of that. I won't exhaust that
account because there's other things

716
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:26,240
that I we may need to move up the list
based off your prioritization, but

717
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:32,720
they're spending about half of that
money. And basically, they're the same

718
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:38,640
type of budgets for us to spend projects
out of. The facility usage fees that we

719
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:42,559
have been now collecting in the last
couple years are put in to a capital

720
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:47,520
improvement
uh fund grant. Um what do you call

721
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:51,520
capital improvement? project fund
>> capital project fund and then there is

722
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:56,960
some in there that we pull on earmarked
just for sports maintenance and upgrades

723
01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:03,760
so yes there is a fund for that will it
cover all that in 10 years I'm not sure

724
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:08,319
but that's be our hope but it depends on
cost and that that nature but there

725
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:12,000
wasn't a fund when we got here but but
there is that

726
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:16,559
» and so Kevin I'll just add to that that
what we are engaged in right now is a

727
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:21,280
shift to prospective funing and
planning, right? And so, you when I got

728
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:25,359
here, there was still leftover bills
from both fields, even though most of

729
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:29,839
their useful life had been used up at
that point. And what we're doing is

730
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:34,640
we're just shifting to a a a management
of it over time so that we're saving for

731
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:38,960
the next one. And typically, you know,
sometimes these things the costs can

732
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:43,280
outrun what Dave can collect, but it's a
lot easier to find 150,000 than it is to

733
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:48,640
find.
The other thing is we the turf fields

734
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:53,040
they are wearing out right um south when
we sweep it it gets mostly the green

735
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:59,359
turf now because it is just degraded to
the point that that's coming but it is

736
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:06,240
um important to remember this both of
those fields have huge engineered rock

737
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:09,520
drainage underneath them so it isn't
about oh let's just go back to dirt

738
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:13,359
there would be a huge cost of going back
to grass

739
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:17,200
» no no I don't think anybody's advocating
that

740
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:22,359
» just if I put a roof on a rental house,
I save money every year.

741
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:22,359
» That's right. That's where we should

742
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:29,599
be.
>> Okay. So, as part of this exercise, we

743
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:33,920
went through and you guys have seen a
similar chart, but we focused it just on

744
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:40,000
the elementary schools since we're just
talking about elementary schools today.

745
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:44,400
This is to kind of give you a snapshot
of all of the repair costs that we've

746
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:50,960
seen along with the educational adequacy
stuff. So, um where is it? Uh six

747
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:54,720
classroom edition at uh Tina or wherever
is on there. New schools on there, but

748
01:02:53,200 --> 01:03:00,319
as well as like covered place, things
like that. So, there's repairs. You can

749
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:05,440
see the colors. We've correlated those
with Dave's numbers. Red would be the

750
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:10,640
stuff that they are taking care of.
right away. Yellow is the medium need.

751
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:15,119
Blue is the low need. And so really,
these are just these are calculations.

752
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:19,920
That's really what they are of showing
dollars remaining to be spent over those

753
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:24,720
three categories, those high, medium,
and low years. And then we have cost per

754
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:28,799
schools that do the same, high, medium,
and low. So it's really just a chart. So

755
01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:32,720
when we're going through this exercise,
if there's a repair, if you're like,

756
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:37,920
"We're going to close Waverly, so we can
take out $248,000 out of whatever one of

757
01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:42,799
those categories is." So use this as a
reference. It's updated just for the

758
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:47,680
elementary schools.
>> Any question? These are all escalated.

759
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:50,839
All of the soft costs and everything are
in there.

760
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:58,880
So, one thing to note um
why some schools are grayed out and why

761
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:04,640
some schools are not.
>> So, your earlier conversation about if

762
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:09,760
we consolidate schools, we just showed
okay so if Tangent was closed and they

763
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:14,640
those students were moved immediately um
then you know those dollars those

764
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:19,039
renovation costs would just go away. And
so that's why we just did an example

765
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:23,680
here and then another one over there at
central like what it would look like if

766
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:28,000
those dollars just weren't part of the
equation. So from your earlier

767
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:31,760
discussion you can look at those totals
for each of these schools and say if we

768
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:36,480
consolidate these schools in the first
tier the immediate needs those dollars

769
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:42,400
just go away with the exception of like
a roof or um some sort of envelope

770
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:47,440
repair. And so um as you talk amongst
your groups with your particular um

771
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:53,440
plans that you had come up with, do
consider those totals um when you when

772
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:58,880
you consider your um first, second, and
third tiers. Does that make sense?

773
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:02,799
» But you wouldn't back out like 13
million for Central. If you close

774
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,799
Central, you back out 100,000, right?
That's the

775
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:09,440
» That's what we're showing there. Yeah,
that's why it's on that the yellow. Yep.

776
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:14,000
So that we left the totals are a little
wonky on those just because of that.

777
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:17,440
Yeah.
>> Any questions?

778
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:23,400
» It's a lot of numbers. That's why you
have a worksheet. Um but really um those

779
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:29,119
» it's not always just a cakewalk to go
through all of this stuff.

780
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:36,640
Um, and just a reminder, um, just to
keep in the back of your mind, um, what

781
01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:42,480
the group wanted to consider is
maintaining that levy rate. Um, and so

782
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:46,880
that that dollar, the 167 million, 168
million. Um, so if you're not, if you

783
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:51,200
think in the back of your mind as a
group, what do we want to spend on

784
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:56,640
elementary schools to save some money
for the middle and high schools? Um,

785
01:05:53,359 --> 01:06:01,839
just keep that um, in your thoughts. So
the red box is the current rate.

786
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:05,440
» That's what your um your 220 levy rate
would get. That would maintain your levy

787
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:10,400
rate after your um
>> that's the current rate. The continuum

788
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:15,520
» to the continuum. Thank you. Yes.
>> And we've been cautioned to not go.

789
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:20,559
» Yes.
>> So the purpose is what? The purpose is

790
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:25,280
just when you're thinking about your
high, medium, and low numbers,

791
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:30,160
you're not going to spend 168 million
just on the elementarymentaries. So, um,

792
01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:34,880
whatever percentage of the 168 million
youth are thinking about spending on

793
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:38,240
elementary or middle or high school, um,
just know that, you know, next month we

794
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:45,440
will talk about those middle and high
schools. So,

795
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:50,000
» you really want to cross out the two
crossed out.

796
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:55,359
Okay. So, we're going to do the same
exercise, same similar exercise that

797
01:06:51,920 --> 01:07:00,480
we've done before. We've provided
the sheets for the all schools. This is

798
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:05,200
just for reference for everybody
of the high priority items that Dave has

799
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:08,640
already listed.
>> So, well, we just got informed that he's

800
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:13,039
taking care of those so we don't have to
think about those. So you can cross out

801
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:16,960
the football turf, both of them, and the
track

802
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:21,920
» and the grinding.
>> We're still taking care of it, so we can

803
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:24,920
still think about it, right?
>> Sorry.

804
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:29,680
» All right, give me a second. We're
almost there, people. So I swear. All

805
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:33,680
right, so then on the second chart, we
have the medium priority items. Once

806
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:39,200
again, these numbers align with what
Dave has on his sheet. So remember that

807
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:43,760
he also has a chunk of money that he's
trying to save in that bond for facility

808
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:47,760
repairs. So just keep that in the back
of your mind. Don't look at the 21

809
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:52,400
million say I got 140 million instead.
Woo, you know, let's go crazy. So just

810
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:57,119
remember that. And then on the last
sheet, it is the low priority. And these

811
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:01,599
are once again the items that Dave has
listed on his charts as well that he

812
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:06,960
wants in consideration. So you can mark
things off. We want to keep Dave happy.

813
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:10,480
So, but and then on your strips, these
are the additional items that aren't

814
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:15,599
being accounted for in all of these
categories along with the educational

815
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:20,400
advocacy items, adding a six classroom
edition, those other sorts of things.

816
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,199
» And this is when you say all schools,
but you're only talking grade school,

817
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:27,679
elementary.
>> These are only elementary. We just

818
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:32,080
wanted to show all the high school just
on the made the big priority items.

819
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:36,319
» Okay. because there really wasn't too
much for elementary schools. Okay, so

820
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:42,319
just like before, we're going to go
through and assign items high, medium,

821
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:44,799
and low priorities just like before, but
remember, we're just focusing on

822
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,960
elementary school.
>> I think

823
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:56,159
it should be
>> the only thing Dave mentioned that they

824
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:01,199
were taking care of the concrete
grinding. We crossed that off.

825
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:05,120
And realistically, you're not really
targeting 168 million on this one. It

826
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:10,080
could be something that's on the other
list. That's a higher priority. And you

827
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:13,679
can write things in as well.
>> Likely,

828
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:16,759
» right? How much time?
>> We can

829
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:23,640
have
you still maybe

830
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:30,960
» roughly. I mean, it's probably not
exactly half, but it's probably

831
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:33,560
All right, everybody. We
>> have one minute.

832
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,560
» You're not done. Time to wrap it up.

833
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:41,040
» So, it was one of those things. They're
trying to fit it within their budget.

834
01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:47,520
There's not something I would love to do
100% properly, but I was like, well,

835
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:51,480
it's not my money, too.
Uh do you want to

836
01:10:52,400 --> 01:11:01,800
recently?
>> Um so we were finishing houses. We did

837
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:01,800
21 or 22 in like

838
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:10,120
with the market slowing down.

839
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:17,600
» I'll come to you. All

840
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:32,600
right, we have our first presenter ready
to go.

841
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,600
» Drum roll.

842
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:41,760
» Still building upon our assumptions from
earlier today where we had closed a

843
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:46,159
number of the elementary schools. A lot
of these numbers change. Uh but focusing

844
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:52,480
on the 1 to2
um the things we added were the

845
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:57,520
irrigation, the secured vessel, uh the
intercom system which is now obsolete uh

846
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:00,880
is part of the emergency contact system,
the carpet, uh the covered playground

847
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:04,719
since we're not doing the air
conditioning, we figured give them a

848
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:11,760
covered area uh to get out of the heat,
and then the lighting controls. So our

849
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:16,320
priority ones are about 19.5 million.
um the stuff that's three and a half

850
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:19,199
only we added was the modular that
number went down because we're closing

851
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:26,000
some of the elementary schools we don't
have to worry about um those modulars at

852
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:32,560
those schools. So that's alone is 31.
Um so 31 and 20 we're at 50ish

853
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:37,040
and then on this one you see the number
of schools we have closed reduce that

854
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:41,679
total to about 138.
Uh so again heavily focused on closing

855
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:48,320
some of those elementary schools to
reduce the uh the capital burden.

856
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:52,400
» And remind me what was your plan from
the first exercise?

857
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:58,320
» Uh close or help me. It was uh Naz
Central

858
01:12:55,040 --> 01:13:02,400
» and then Tangentina.
>> Yes. Actually it was all of them.

859
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:05,520
» Okay.
>> Because you were redoing

860
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,520
dams became
>> the new elementary. the new elementary

861
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:11,600
school.
>> Oh, the two middle and the middle

862
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:17,280
schools absorb the nails. Okay.
>> Okay. I remember.

863
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,199
» Any questions for this team?
>> Yep.

864
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:24,640
» Clarifying questions. Are you talking
about closing tequina as well?

865
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:28,199
» Yeah. To make sure that we heard you
correctly. Yes.

866
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,679
» Thank you.

867
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,760
» Who would like to go next?

868
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,120
These aren't sticky.

869
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:48,040
» Don't make them sticky.

870
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:56,440
» You're taping these up there or where
are these going?

871
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:56,440
» Uh on the

872
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:05,280
» I can talk while we're figuring out. Uh
so this is our high priority list. Uh,

873
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:08,719
we crossed off the things that were
schools that we weren't doing and the

874
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:12,000
stuff that Dave mentioned earlier. Also,
my math might be a little wrong because

875
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:20,480
Dave was going around and crossing off
numbers as we went. Um, but we were

876
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:26,719
» still messing with numbers here. Uh, we
were adding six classrooms to Tequina to

877
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:30,400
account for closing uh, central. Um, we
were securing the vestibules and we

878
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:35,360
added uh, the covered play structure at
Tina. um because we were going to be

879
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:40,960
adding schools there for a total of 13.4
is where we're at and we were closing in

880
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:46,320
central Waverly Naz and Tangent
uh for our medium priority three or yeah

881
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:50,480
3 to 5 years uh we were still closing
Waverly and we don't have to do the

882
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:55,840
mechanical repairs because we were also
closing Naz and Central on that one. Um

883
01:14:53,520 --> 01:15:00,080
so but we added cooling to the remaining
four schools minus the four elementary

884
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:04,280
that we were closing. Um, so that
brought that total to 52.7.

885
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:12,880
Um, and then this one is the low
priorities. Again, we crossed off the

886
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:18,000
schools that we weren't uh going to be
servicing at that point. Um, and then

887
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:23,440
did our modulars replacements for the
ones on schools that we didn't close um

888
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:28,880
for a total of 42. And this was 10 plus
years out for any of those depending on

889
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:35,640
enrollment and general maintenance such
like that.

890
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,640
» Any questions for this team?

891
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:54,440
» We're really good at group projects. Oh,
look.

892
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:06,880
I don't know.
>> So, to start with, we were assuming that

893
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:12,480
we would be doing the two major projects
between the two high schools. So, um

894
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:17,679
that would be replacing the buildings at
south and then the equivalent amount for

895
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:22,800
west. Um and then which is about 82
million and then doing the 22 million or

896
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:29,520
giving 22 million plus the 8 million
grant for middle schools. So what we had

897
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:34,080
left um we prioritized like we took off
the things that wouldn't be needed um

898
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:39,679
anymore. So, we prioritized the ADA door
hardware upgrade, asbestous removal, um,

899
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:47,040
and the playground equipment
districtwide. Um, and then that took us

900
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:51,199
over to doing all of the mid priority or
medium priorities minus what we don't

901
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:55,520
need because of schools closing. Um, and
we figured Dave would just have to find

902
01:16:52,640 --> 01:17:01,760
the money for the temporary central and
na um, mechanical repairs because we

903
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:07,280
ended up closing Naz um, after all. Um,
so that's a change, but

904
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:12,080
we would do the six classroom addition
at Tina replacing the internal clock

905
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:18,400
systems because that was required for
other mechanical upgrades. Um, Naze, we

906
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:23,520
would add 10 classrooms to Oak Grove. um
add secure vestibules and carpet

907
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:29,600
replacement as well as the district roof
repairs um window replacements

908
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:34,719
aside for etnaz and then mechanical
repairs and asbestous removal. So

909
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:42,719
» So you're which consolidation was your
team? we were doing um Waverly would be

910
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:47,520
consolidated to um Meadow, Tina and um
Southshore and then also that tangent

911
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:53,800
would be consolidated to Oak and Liberty
and then central to Tuna and the rest.

912
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:03,480
» Yeah.

913
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,800
Yeah,

914
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:25,120
» I think as others have mentioned,
there's just kind of a spaghetti effect

915
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:30,239
where if you're closing schools down, a
lot of these uh costs are just adjusted.

916
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:33,360
But when you're looking at the high
priority items and removing the ones

917
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:38,800
that Dave had mentioned, we get down to
about 1.6 million for those priority

918
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:45,120
items. Um, when you start looking at
medium priority,

919
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:49,920
the same spaghetti effect, but we added
the six classroom edition because we

920
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:55,120
were moving central into tequina and tea
that remodel. Uh, vestibules. We added a

921
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:59,600
footnote to that where they're not
really vestibs, they're locked doors and

922
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:03,360
so there would need to be audits and
training to properly use them so that

923
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:08,880
people aren't forgoing the safety
measures. Uh adding cooling was a

924
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:12,080
contentious one for us because
we're not sure what what the need is

925
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:17,760
going to be there and it's going to add
additional maintenance costs. So we

926
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:23,360
talked about the uh amortizing of the
school fields. adding a new complicated

927
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:28,000
system is going to add overhead and
electricity costs. Um, we weren't sure

928
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:32,880
where that was captured, but you just
add lighting to schools, playground

929
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:38,000
structure. If you're consolidating them
into those schools, we thought it'd be

930
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:44,719
worth it to add a covered space for
tequina modulars. Same kind of idea. Uh,

931
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:49,840
by going from modulars to stick frame,
maybe lowering some of those maintenance

932
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:54,719
costs. And then on the low priority
items,

933
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:59,760
John
uh variation site upgrades, carpet

934
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:04,480
replacement, and long longterm maybe
that new

935
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,640
uh school as well. And we realized
partway through that we were missing

936
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:10,760
some of the
>> No, this one we chose not to.

937
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:16,239
» Oh, yeah.
the NA that was one of the things that

938
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:23,640
one of the schools that we were limiting
so we didn't see the need for it

939
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,640
» questions

940
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:35,000
and then consolidating

941
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:42,560
» hope into Lafayette
>> and then Ted potentially one question

942
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:47,760
that did come about a carpet
replacement. Does that include asbesus

943
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:55,120
abatement?
>> Um, not necessarily because not all

944
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:58,800
schools have abatement that the needs.
So, it would be dependent. I think the

945
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:02,320
abatement that was listed were for
particular schools.

946
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:06,880
» So, we can pull up the carpet. It's a
it's a hidden cost maybe

947
01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:11,760
» potentially. I think as as the district
has been replacing carpet, they have

948
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:16,239
been pulling the tile. So, um, it's not
as prevalent as you think it might be.

949
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:20,520
So,
>> depends on the student.

950
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,520
» Yeah.

951
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:27,120
» Yeah. Like the older if it's a rolled
good instead of a tile, it's most likely

952
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:32,280
been covered over, but if you've got
tile, many times that's probably already

953
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,280
been.

954
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:40,640
» All right. Much like the last year, we
pretty much left the first page alone.

955
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:46,560
Most of the stuff is being done. So we
had another one marked off from Dave as

956
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:49,840
we were doing it. So our number is just
about 1.2 million on that one.

957
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:54,639
» 1.6.
>> No, because Dave came along and marked

958
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:59,840
that one off and we subtracted it. Um so
then on our

959
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:05,280
medium,
we added the sixth classroom edition at

960
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:11,199
Tina since our plan was to close Central
and move it into Tina. replace lighting

961
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:16,719
controls, carpet replacement, um
modulars with the

962
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:21,520
replace modulars, and we put that we
would replace them with permanent at

963
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:25,440
Liberty and Sunrise, but the other
schools we had talked about possibly

964
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:32,880
closing, so we weren't going to replace
there. and then irrigation and site

965
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:38,400
upgrades um except for at the five
schools that we were possibly closing

966
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:45,719
and replacing the internal clock systems
and that brought us to 400. No, that's

967
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:45,719
not that brought us to 48,33,191.

968
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:57,679
And then on our low priority,
we added cooling and covered play

969
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:04,719
structures.
And we did not do the math on that

970
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:06,880
because well, that was the low priority.
>> All right.

971
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,760
» And there are some we didn't even put on
the list. We thought it just is probably

972
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,000
off the table for now.
>> Yeah.

973
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,120
» Okay. So, we need to call a 10 plus
years.

974
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,400
» Yes.
>> Or not or to completely defunct and get

975
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:20,239
rid of the school. And what schools did
you guys close?

976
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:25,280
» Uh we closed
yes Central and moved them into Tina and

977
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:30,560
we looked at possibly closing Tangent
and possibly closing Waverly and

978
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:36,199
questioning whether we should or close
uh North Albony Elementary.

979
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:36,199
So,

980
01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:49,199
» is there anything you heard from other
teams that um you would consider or

981
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:52,080
wanted to talk about?
>> Good job.

982
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:56,159
» Well, the group over there was kind of
interesting because we stayed away from

983
01:23:53,679 --> 01:24:00,719
the conversation of touching anything
middle school. like when there's the

984
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:05,440
concept of being able to maybe move kids
out of the middle school and have that

985
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:09,120
become a a regional elementary school
instead like we didn't

986
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,360
» thank you.
>> So that was interesting. I think that's

987
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:18,159
a curious conversation
in somewhere.

988
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:21,920
» That's a lot of
Yeah, a lot of moving pieces that would

989
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:27,280
be a good conversation for the
subcommittee that gets created.

990
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:31,679
you want.
>> We had a back and forth discussion about

991
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:37,440
the cooling where where that needed to
go. My thought is

992
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:40,639
where what priority would be put on that
if everybody sitting at the table was a

993
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:45,280
classroom teacher,
>> right? That's a good question because

994
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:50,000
that was a big issue during the
negotiations for their contract. So it

995
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:55,520
was a very good big conversation for
you.

996
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:58,920
» Anybody keep cooling as a top top or
middle tier?

997
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:08,520
» Any other comments or observations you
saw?

998
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:18,080
» Um next time we like we mentioned we
will be talking about middle schools and

999
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:21,760
high schools. We are meeting with both
the high school principles um to go

1000
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:27,199
through the different concepts um right
sizing the additions um and then going

1001
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:31,440
through the upgraded list of needs with
them too that um we can show them what's

1002
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:35,840
being h what's happening outside of the
bond work. And so we'll go through this

1003
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:40,719
exercise but just with middle and high
school next time. Um

1004
01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:46,880
before we leave we do have a little bit
of an exit poll um literally as you're

1005
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:52,080
exiting if you like. Um, so what we want
to do, these are the concepts that came

1006
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:57,520
out of the first exercise. Um, and so
what we want to see is, um, we've got

1007
01:25:54,239 --> 01:26:01,199
some dots, red, yellow, and
>> yeah, this is what you want to do.

1008
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:05,360
» Okay. So,
one of the things that you guys have

1009
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:10,239
been talking about is, you know, what
are the schools, those kind of things.

1010
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:13,600
And I, so like my job, the board is
going to also have to, you know, come to

1011
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:20,719
agreement on this. So, we need to have
you guys think a little bit more in

1012
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:26,239
terms of time and not just what, right?
So, we we have anywhere from four

1013
01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:34,239
schools or whatever to
one there's over there and so Jonah has

1014
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:41,360
put up the different proposals around
closing.

1015
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:48,239
I want to remind us all that JL came
back and said, "I walk carefully here

1016
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:52,400
based on the poll."
Right? So, my job is not like you guys

1017
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:59,920
say, "Hey, we're going to do all four.
Let's just go do it." I would just go

1018
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:06,880
because I would know that we're probably
going against what the community said in

1019
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:13,040
the poll, right? And so we have year
after year here nothing that I've heard

1020
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:16,400
on the priorities list scream that it
has to be done now because we said at

1021
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:21,760
the beginning there are some of these
things that are low priority or that

1022
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:29,840
were on a closure list. We can still
distinguish and spread those out in time

1023
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:36,239
so that we do not waste the opportunity
of a bond.

1024
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:43,840
Right? So I would put caution on that
because if we put a huge amount of

1025
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:49,199
headway before May of 2027,
we begin to make that a more tenuous

1026
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:52,639
thing and that's like we have one of
these school closures that's based on

1027
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:59,040
that passing,
right? And so again, distinguish between

1028
01:27:56,159 --> 01:28:04,560
what can be accomplished. None of these
schools must close immediately. And we

1029
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:11,840
can be thoughtful about how we face
this. And we can also

1030
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:18,880
separate the time of the decision from
the date a school actually closes. And

1031
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:23,199
in fact, that's helpful,
right? And so we have an exercise.

1032
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:26,320
Jonah's going to give you colors. You've
been handed out. What do you have in

1033
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:31,600
your hands right now? Yeah. Liz,
question. So, when I'm looking at the

1034
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:37,280
first uh deal there, it says Martha
Elementary closing it and moving it into

1035
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:39,920
Oak Grove. Does that mean we would be
moving the sped programs out of Oak

1036
01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:43,280
Grove?
>> Yeah, we we're just looking at the

1037
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:47,920
general concept today rather than a
detail like that. What we really want is

1038
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:53,040
to have you guys go up and place
stickers and and Jonah will do that, but

1039
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:59,520
I want you guys to not just think about
what is your priority, but when we

1040
01:28:56,719 --> 01:29:02,080
should do that.
>> Does that make sense? So, Jody, you want

1041
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,560
to give them the color scheme?
>> Yeah, you bet. Did everybody get some

1042
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:09,040
stickers?
>> Yeah.

1043
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:15,040
» So, we've got some legends up here. Um,
so green is 2027.

1044
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:22,080
So that would be the date of decision.
Uh yellow is 2028 to 2030 somewhere in

1045
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:28,000
that that time frame. And then red is
kind of a future bond.

1046
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:33,120
So all six scenarios are up here. So
North Albany Elementary School closure

1047
01:29:30,639 --> 01:29:38,480
going to Oak Grove. Hen Elementary
School closure going to Liberty Oak

1048
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:44,080
Sunrise or Periwinkle.
North Albany Elementary, Central and

1049
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:48,000
Tina closing and going to North Albany
Middle School. And then the students

1050
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:52,880
from North Albany Middle School go to
Memorial Middle School, Central

1051
01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:58,000
Elementary School closing, moving to
Tina with the addition of six

1052
01:29:55,120 --> 01:30:04,880
classrooms. Oak Elementary School moving
to Lafayette and then Waverly closing

1053
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:10,840
and going to either Tina, Meadow Ridge,
Southshore, Millersburg, Sunrise or

1054
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,840
Perry.

1055
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:21,520
» So just superintendent thinking, right?
So I will put timelines up and I think

1056
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:27,280
about what does this do for the
situation in November of next year. what

1057
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:34,960
does this do and how does this create
support or detract from it in April of

1058
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:42,239
2027. So we have to think about those
things because at some point in the

1059
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:47,360
future those things will either converge
or will align and move smoothly. So

1060
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:54,320
that's what I would ask that you guys
think about knowing that this is one

1061
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:57,760
chance May 27th.
>> Yes, Joe.

1062
01:30:55,199 --> 01:31:01,840
» Um so when we say 2027, are we saying
that change would happen pre-bond work

1063
01:31:00,639 --> 01:31:08,000
being done?
>> Ah post bond work being done.

1064
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:15,679
» So um we may need to just clarify that a
little bit Jonah. So um 26 let's look at

1065
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:22,639
27 as the 2627 school year at the end of
it. So the end middle of 27 June 27 that

1066
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:28,719
fall would be when that actually takes
effect. So for a real life example,

1067
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:33,199
could you add on to tequina in just a
>> no that bond would have to occur that

1068
01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:36,880
move would occur in 28,
>> right?

1069
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:38,639
» Sell bonds plan
>> for the decision.

1070
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,600
» Doris,
>> so why are we looking at the middle

1071
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:46,960
school? I thought we were doing that
next.

1072
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:50,560
» Uh I think uh I had been asked by Matt
about whether or not that could be

1073
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:55,120
partial partially a consideration here.
Is that right? Did you ask me that to

1074
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:58,320
begin? And so we said we didn't confine
it to that

1075
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:01,480
» because one troublemaking table brought
it up,

1076
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:08,960
» but we didn't include it in our stuff.
So

1077
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:13,360
» um give that some thought
about this. I mean

1078
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:17,440
» we could if we weren't going for a bond,
we would probably be more aggressive in

1079
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:22,800
that timeline and in the breadth of the
project. But because we do have to

1080
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:28,000
appeal to the voters, then that's a
consideration that I think we all need

1081
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:32,239
to think about.
>> So if we wanted to put a certain colored

1082
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:35,679
sticker on multiple, but we only have
three. Is are we limited to three?

1083
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:40,320
» Force choice exercise.
>> Okay.

1084
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:45,040
» Pick your pick your face.
>> Go take your time.

1085
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,040
» Put them up.

1086
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:51,800
Green is
more

1087
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:15,520
for vacation. So we're going
>> where you going?

1088
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:19,560
» Uh Fiji
going diving for 10 days.

1089
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:29,480
It's been a great experience.