1 00:00:01,970 --> 00:00:12,150 Good afternoon, commissioners. I would like to call this meeting to order. It is now 6.11 p.m. 2 00:00:18,940 --> 00:00:20,520 Commissioner Gooch. 3 00:00:23,060 --> 00:00:37,340 Commissioner Oswald. Commissioner Manning. Commissioner DeHereda. And Commissioner Weiner. We have five. We do have a quorum. So the reason why. 4 00:00:37,340 --> 00:00:43,580 I am calling the meeting to order is because we are out two commissioners. 5 00:00:44,220 --> 00:00:57,580 Mr or Commissioner Mondragone has resigned his position and Commissioner Goldman has accepted the planning director position. 6 00:00:58,060 --> 00:01:05,780 So we are going to be mayor will be appointing two new commissioners or alternatives. 7 00:01:05,780 --> 00:01:12,820 I'm not sure how that'll go but he is aware of it and so he will be doing I believe they're going 8 00:01:12,820 --> 00:01:20,040 to do that at the next town council meeting but I'm not 100% sure but as soon as we do get 9 00:01:21,420 --> 00:01:28,620 full quorum or a full commission again the five plus the two alternates at that time we will put the 10 00:01:28,620 --> 00:01:38,220 the meeting or the election of officers so that we can elect new officers. Commissioner 11 00:01:38,220 --> 00:01:43,320 Wanderbone, as you know, was the chair, Commissioner Goldman was the vice chair. So right now 12 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:50,180 we don't have one. So at this time, I would ask that you, one of you or whoever can make 13 00:01:50,180 --> 00:01:58,820 a motion to appoint a temporary chairman for today. And then again once we get a full commission, 14 00:01:59,260 --> 00:02:03,940 we will move forward with appointing or nominating new chair and vice chair. 15 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:10,500 I move that Commissioner De Herrera be acting chair. 16 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:15,400 A second. Commissioner De Herrera, do you accept? 17 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:26,690 Yes, I do. I accept. Thank you guys. Okay, so let me call a vote Commissioner Manning. Yes, Commissioner Gooch. Yes, President 18 00:02:27,810 --> 00:02:35,490 Commissioner Oswald. Yes, Commissioner DeHereda. Yes, and Commissioner Wiener. Yes. Thank you. He 19 00:02:36,330 --> 00:02:39,910 Commissioner DeHereda will take over as chair for tonight. Okay 20 00:02:41,310 --> 00:02:44,470 Commissioner Oswald. Can you lead us in the federal agents? 21 00:02:52,220 --> 00:03:00,320 of the United States of America and for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, 22 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,620 liberty and justice for all. 23 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,900 Commissioners, have you had a chance to review the agenda? 24 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:14,000 Any questions? 25 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:20,070 If there's no questions, I will entertain a motion to approve. 26 00:03:23,230 --> 00:03:24,810 So, the second. 27 00:03:31,130 --> 00:03:33,870 So, was that commissioner Manning that made the motion? 28 00:03:33,870 --> 00:03:42,670 right. And who seconded? I did. Thank you. Okay, commissioners, have you had a chance to agree? 29 00:03:43,450 --> 00:03:54,510 All in favor? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. Okay, commissioners, have you had a chance to review the 30 00:03:54,510 --> 00:03:56,470 minutes from last month? 31 00:03:58,500 --> 00:03:59,300 Any questions? 32 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:05,760 Well, I will entertain a motion to approve. 33 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:13,340 A motion to approve the minutes. Second, can we vote? 34 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,480 Yeah, so, Commissioner Gooch made the motion. Yes. 35 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:21,100 And who seconded? I did. Okay. 36 00:04:24,050 --> 00:04:26,330 You can do all in favor. All in favor? 37 00:04:26,330 --> 00:04:27,430 Hi. Hi. Hi. 38 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:46,490 Okay. Citizens forum. Citizens who wish to comment before or during the meeting may submit your requests, comments or questions to Diana Gonzalez, deputy planning director at the Gonzalez at Towson, New Mexico. 39 00:04:46,490 --> 00:04:54,190 go.gov, no action may be taken. Do we have anybody signed up, Dyna, to speak? 40 00:04:56,190 --> 00:05:01,730 Chairman DeHereda, no, we do not have anybody signed up. Let's check the Zoom to see if anybody's online. 41 00:05:03,110 --> 00:05:04,270 Nobody is online. 42 00:05:07,310 --> 00:05:08,990 Okay, number seven, presentations. 43 00:05:11,650 --> 00:05:13,470 Do we have any presentations? 44 00:05:13,470 --> 00:05:22,210 questions? No presentations at this time. Okay. Number eight public hearings. Do we have anybody 45 00:05:22,210 --> 00:05:23,130 Dynas signed up? 46 00:05:25,810 --> 00:05:31,070 No, I don't think so, but let's let me introduce the case first and then we'll 47 00:05:31,070 --> 00:05:36,770 have the applicant come up and present their case and then we can open the public hearing after that. 48 00:05:36,770 --> 00:06:02,050 Okay. So, a case number HPC2026-32 discussion, consideration and possible approval for a certificate of appropriateness for the rehabilitation of an existing structure on a contributing property located at 137 Ben Street. 49 00:06:02,050 --> 00:06:10,150 The proposed work includes the replacement of exterior windows and doors as well as applying new stocko to the walls. 50 00:06:10,630 --> 00:06:25,650 The subject property is approximately 0.4379 acres and is located in the central business district CBD zones within the historic overlays on within the town limits of the town and 51 00:06:25,650 --> 00:06:31,230 House. The property owner is Rebecca Fry and the agent is Towson Mountain Builders Inc. 52 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:38,590 Who will present? I will. Okay. Good afternoon commissioners. 53 00:06:39,410 --> 00:06:44,970 Chairman the head of I'm sorry and commissioners. Staff would like to enter the following into 54 00:06:44,970 --> 00:06:50,370 the record. The certificate of appropriateness application and supporting documents submitted for 55 00:06:50,370 --> 00:06:57,670 Rebecca Brigh by Touse Mountain Builders Inc., the agent, and the staff report. 56 00:06:58,730 --> 00:07:02,890 The applicant is requesting the planning, zoning, and historic preservation commission 57 00:07:03,690 --> 00:07:08,870 approval for a certificate of appropriateness for the rehabilitation of an existing structure 58 00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:12,790 on a contributing property located at 137 Bent Street. 59 00:07:13,790 --> 00:07:19,510 The proposed work includes the replacement of exterior windows and doors, as well as applying 60 00:07:19,510 --> 00:07:25,570 new stuff go to the walls. According to the 2017 town of Tau's survey summary form, 61 00:07:26,610 --> 00:07:32,990 it is listed as a contributing property to the Tau's downtown historic district and historic 62 00:07:32,990 --> 00:07:41,430 overlay zone. Furthermore, this structure is listed in the state register, the national register 63 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:49,350 of historic places and the Tau's historic overlay zone as contributing. And it features a historic 64 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:55,790 plaque on the wall. For historical context, the rear section of the structure was built 65 00:07:55,790 --> 00:08:03,910 between 1939 and 1957, while the front section was constructed in the late 1900s. 66 00:08:04,170 --> 00:08:08,590 Staff recommendation is, if the Planning Zoning and Historic Preservation Commission 67 00:08:08,590 --> 00:08:14,570 determines that the proposed project demonstrates compliance with the requirement of the historic 68 00:08:14,570 --> 00:08:19,890 overlaid zone and all policies of the town of Towsland use development code, then staff recommends 69 00:08:19,890 --> 00:08:25,270 conditional approval of the certificate of appropriateness subject to the following conditions. 70 00:08:25,830 --> 00:08:32,330 The applicant must comply with all local state art and or federal regulations related to the 71 00:08:32,330 --> 00:08:37,810 development of this property. The proposed use must be in accordance with any additional conditions 72 00:08:37,810 --> 00:08:43,270 determined necessary by the commission to protect the health safety, welfare and continue 73 00:08:43,270 --> 00:08:55,010 aesthetic beauty of the community, if approved the applicant must obtain the zoning review from the planning department prior to obtaining a building permit from construction industry's division. 74 00:08:55,790 --> 00:09:07,050 The applicant has met all noticing requirements and has paid all fees and miss Alameda is here to present the case with one of the property owners. 75 00:09:07,050 --> 00:09:08,290 I'm sorry, I didn't get it, right? 76 00:09:09,170 --> 00:09:12,650 Adam Flourst, if you can, yeah. 77 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:16,030 Hello, 78 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,260 yes, the button should be green. 79 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,960 Can you please state the name and your address for the record? 80 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,620 Yes, hi, I'm Al Meade Martinson, and I'm here on behalf 81 00:09:32,620 --> 00:09:33,960 of Tiles Mountain Builders Inc. 82 00:09:34,580 --> 00:09:38,040 The address is 165 MySS Road, Rancho State Tiles, 83 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,060 New Mexico 877-875570. 84 00:09:41,860 --> 00:09:47,720 And my name is Adam Forrest. I am the current owner of 137 Venn Street. Okay. Thank you. 85 00:09:48,140 --> 00:09:55,060 Proceed. Hi. So essentially we are trying to get this certificate of appropriateness approved 86 00:09:55,780 --> 00:10:00,120 because the owners would like to upgrade their windows and have more eco, 87 00:10:00,460 --> 00:10:07,640 non-make, you know, warmer windows, cooler windows, all of the things. And essentially they have gone 88 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,400 on through and had custom windows designed and made. 89 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,800 They were attached to everything. 90 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,200 Well, not media until we get the approval from you guys. 91 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:22,140 But they're all pretty much to mimic what is there 92 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:25,260 to look as much as possible as they are already. 93 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,580 The only ones that are going to change and not all the windows 94 00:10:28,580 --> 00:10:30,700 are being replaced, but a good majority of them. 95 00:10:31,100 --> 00:10:32,340 And the only ones that will actually 96 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:36,300 change the shape of the windows is a couple of egress windows 97 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:40,780 because we have to meet code because we're reading a permit and all the things that go along with that. 98 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:45,860 And the big thing here aside from that, because they did strive to keep it as historical 99 00:10:45,860 --> 00:10:51,960 and as similar looking as it already is, is that they wanted to change the color of the windows. 100 00:10:52,820 --> 00:10:56,720 To have this really nice clay color that's going to kind of blend in and match with the 101 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,800 stucco and look really nice at the area. 102 00:11:00,940 --> 00:11:02,520 That's pretty much the gist of it. 103 00:11:06,610 --> 00:11:08,450 Okay. Mr. Forrest, anything to add? 104 00:11:09,550 --> 00:11:11,550 No, I think she covered it pretty well. 105 00:11:12,670 --> 00:11:21,250 The existing color being it white, I think, was just something that was done by somebody that was a caretaker of the building. 106 00:11:21,370 --> 00:11:28,230 I don't think it was—I don't know how long I've been there in historic or anything like that, but it's just something that they just did for maintenance. 107 00:11:28,750 --> 00:11:30,310 So that's why it's white right now. 108 00:11:31,630 --> 00:11:33,970 Commissioner, do you have any questions? 109 00:11:38,770 --> 00:11:48,710 I can't say how delighted I am that someone is investing the money to protect a remarkable 110 00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:56,190 location and remarkable building, and I was a little bit blown away that you could actually 111 00:11:56,190 --> 00:12:05,270 get windows made that are reflective of that era that's the light to know. The only question 112 00:12:05,270 --> 00:12:15,750 I have is there are two doors that I feel like are fairly remarkable that is like what's the 113 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:25,650 game plan for those doors so we retain something that to me is kind of defines this property. I think 114 00:12:25,650 --> 00:12:31,470 those doors are great. I agree with you. Both the doors that you just showed me, 115 00:12:31,530 --> 00:12:33,330 I'll be a hundred percent plan on either. 116 00:12:35,550 --> 00:12:38,950 I believe the artist is David Vidoe who did 117 00:12:38,950 --> 00:12:43,310 these doors and painted these doors. He's a local artist and he's a friend of mine and he, 118 00:12:43,470 --> 00:12:49,910 I became a friend of him after I told him that I was on this house now and I met him and he said 119 00:12:49,910 --> 00:12:56,730 that he would actually paint, refresh with the paint of that, of the Mary and also on the front. 120 00:12:56,870 --> 00:13:00,730 There's a, it's not, you don't have a picture of it. I don't know if we have a picture of it, 121 00:13:00,750 --> 00:13:04,850 but there's also, it's called, it's the name of the house that's Casa Feliz and it has a beautiful 122 00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:10,050 painting on the front. Right there. If he's in the man on that, you can see. So we were actually 123 00:13:10,050 --> 00:13:13,990 going to have him, he was going to come over and and his father painted that and he was going to 124 00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:17,890 refresh up the paint for us. So not only would he plan on keeping that, we're going to 125 00:13:17,890 --> 00:13:21,550 and bring it to what it originally was from the same artist. 126 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,300 I can't be more placed. 127 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:40,740 I noted in the packet that the window package from Sarah Pacific is like $13,500. 128 00:13:42,380 --> 00:13:46,580 Can you estimate how much it costs you to put together the application for the certificate 129 00:13:46,580 --> 00:13:50,280 of appropriateness, administrative fees? 130 00:13:53,900 --> 00:14:01,760 It was about $1800 of time mailing, filling out the application, running around, getting 131 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,680 the paperwork needed. All of that was around $1800 to get to this point today. 132 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,600 And that includes the certified mail? 133 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:10,580 That includes everything. 134 00:14:11,260 --> 00:14:11,980 Thank you. 135 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:12,440 Yes, sir. 136 00:14:17,140 --> 00:14:19,580 Diana, do we have anybody else signed up to speak? 137 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:42,680 Okay. 138 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,140 Okay, many more questions, commissioners, if not, I will entertain a notion. 139 00:14:50,810 --> 00:14:51,530 Yes. 140 00:14:52,290 --> 00:14:56,190 I just have a question for Ms. Martinson. 141 00:14:56,190 --> 00:14:59,350 So the fees that you 142 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:15,440 I'm going to send him the invoice part. Does that include your time for doing all that? Okay, yes, ma'am. And the application fee and the mailing costs and gross receipts tax because government gets their size. Thank you. 143 00:15:19,660 --> 00:15:26,600 I'm going to go ahead and close the hearing. If there is no other questions, I will go ahead and entertain a motion. 144 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,440 I move that we approve this 145 00:15:32,620 --> 00:15:35,380 subject to the conditions and the staff report. 146 00:15:36,380 --> 00:15:37,140 Seconded. 147 00:15:41,070 --> 00:15:41,990 Commissioner Manning. 148 00:15:42,970 --> 00:15:43,730 Yes. 149 00:15:44,290 --> 00:15:45,250 Commissioner Wiener. 150 00:15:45,650 --> 00:15:45,890 Yes. 151 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:49,130 Vice or I'm sorry, Chairman DeHereda. 152 00:15:49,210 --> 00:15:49,490 Yes. 153 00:15:50,090 --> 00:15:51,090 Commissioner Oswald. 154 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:51,810 Yes. 155 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:53,290 And Commissioner Gooch. 156 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:53,690 Yes. 157 00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:54,630 It passes. 158 00:15:54,850 --> 00:15:55,290 Thank you. 159 00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:55,550 Congratulations. 160 00:15:55,950 --> 00:15:56,750 Thank you. 161 00:15:59,290 --> 00:16:00,030 Okay. 162 00:16:00,170 --> 00:16:02,350 Number nine matters from staff. 163 00:16:02,350 --> 00:16:32,670 Do we have anything kind of I don't the only thing is just again reiterate that we will be looking for two new commissioners, I don't know when mayor, you know, I know he did receive a couple of letters already, but it's up to the commissioner or the council members and the mayor to appoint those people so good. 164 00:16:34,750 --> 00:16:48,030 Number 10 matters from the planning and zoning director Goldman wants to say some sorry director. Oh, that's okay. Good evening commissioners. I just wanted to say hello. 165 00:16:49,170 --> 00:16:51,990 From the side of the podium. 166 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:58,230 Thank you for your service. I'm looking forward to continuing to working with you all in this different role. 167 00:16:58,670 --> 00:17:09,690 If there's anything that I or we can do to continue to support you all in this important work or you just want to chat about land use. 168 00:17:11,010 --> 00:17:15,610 I think you know where to find me. Yeah. Thank you so much. 169 00:17:15,610 --> 00:17:18,780 Thank you. Congratulations. 170 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:19,460 Congratulations. 171 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:21,620 Director, I have a quick question. 172 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:26,260 So I think the council approved the consultant. 173 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:27,180 That's right. 174 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:27,680 Contract. 175 00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:28,880 Last week. 176 00:17:29,020 --> 00:17:32,560 Could you give us an update on what you see coming down the process? 177 00:17:33,340 --> 00:17:40,940 So Commissioner Manning is referring to the contract with the consultants who are going to be helping us update the land use code. 178 00:17:40,940 --> 00:17:52,160 I emailed with the chief, what is her title, procurement officer, Bailey Andrea earlier today, 179 00:17:52,380 --> 00:17:57,980 and she said that the contract with them is awaiting their signatures, you know, just 180 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,060 anticipated. It's just a matter of signing it, not that there's anything particularly controversial 181 00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:10,160 about the contract. And as soon as they sign it, she is going to call a kickoff meeting 182 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:16,160 with the consultants. And at that time, we will be creating a timeline and figuring out 183 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:23,500 what's next. As you all know, there's been a land use code development committee that's 184 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:29,740 been meeting for about 10 months. So I think that group will be reconvening once we have 185 00:18:29,740 --> 00:18:33,820 better sense of a timeline in collaboration with the consultants. So, I don't have anything 186 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:39,720 more concrete at this time. If you're all interested in reviewing the proposal put forth 187 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:46,640 by the consultants, that's available on last week's town council agenda, or you can email me 188 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,880 and I'll send you a copy. I'm sure there'll be some revisions, but that at least gives you a sense 189 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:59,180 of what they're generally planning to do. Will there be any adjustments made to the 190 00:18:59,740 --> 00:19:03,140 But who's the committee or is that committee fixed now? 191 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,320 We'd have to talk about that, I think it's possible. 192 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,780 I mean, they're going to look at the entire land use development code and make amendments 193 00:19:14,780 --> 00:19:16,040 or suggest amendments. 194 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,260 And so I believe that is possible. 195 00:19:20,020 --> 00:19:28,520 And I do think that it's in my power as the director to me hearing from the community, 196 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:35,740 people who have been exploring the limitations of the land use code over the past almost 30 years, 197 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:43,260 since it was last updated. I really want to hear from those people. So my hope is that we will 198 00:19:44,580 --> 00:19:49,200 in collaboration with the consultants have ample opportunities to hear from people about where they 199 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,060 bumped up against the limitations for what they really love about the land use code. 200 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,500 We want to hear 201 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:05,300 or in other opportunities we do want to hear from many, many community voices. 202 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,980 And I believe that the consultants will be scheduling not public meetings, but I guess 203 00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:15,960 public community meetings for people to come and get together and give their suggestions. 204 00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:20,040 Do you guys have like a time of when that's going to be a date? 205 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:33,260 So the timeline that they gave us had them providing the final deliverables, I think February of 2028, so in about a year and a half. 206 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:43,880 That feels far away, but it also feels soon when you think about the weight of what we want to accomplish. 207 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:51,900 revisiting this code that, again, hasn't been holistically updated in almost three decades. 208 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,040 And understanding that any change comes with a lot of conversation. 209 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,940 So I hope we can do it as quickly as possible, but we also want to do it in the right way. 210 00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:17,940 And I just want to add that once we do get a document, you all will be reviewing it as a public 211 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:25,240 hearing to make a recommendation to town council so you can go through it and then if you have 212 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:31,400 any suggestions that maybe you want to continue it to another meeting so that we have time to 213 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:39,500 incorporate those changes. I'm sure that the consultants will be here for that meeting and they'll 214 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:46,820 take your ideas into consideration and either update it or send those forward to town council for 215 00:21:46,820 --> 00:21:55,540 final approval. And you all, as well as anyone who's listening to this now or in the future, 216 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:02,040 is welcome to send me an email with suggestions or me with me to talk about suggestions I do really 217 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:02,860 want to hear from people. 218 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,020 Thank you. About matters from the Planning and Zoning and Historic Preservation 219 00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:11,440 commission. 220 00:22:15,460 --> 00:22:22,220 I would just like to say a big thank you to ex chair Mondragon for the time and 221 00:22:22,220 --> 00:22:27,340 service he put into the board and the knowledge he taught us all. I just wanted to say a big thank you 222 00:22:27,340 --> 00:22:35,660 and also thank you to director Goldman for the time she put on the board and look forward to 223 00:22:35,660 --> 00:22:37,260 working with you in the future. 224 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:46,640 Number 11, I will enter a motion if there's nothing else to a Jordan. 225 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,990 So move. Second. 226 00:22:54,260 --> 00:23:04,920 Thank you. You can do all. Yeah. I'll see. Hi. Hi. Hi. Thank you for just meeting 227 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,680 You never see the cops.