[0:00] 
[2:37] Where was that do
not disturb sign.
[2:42] 
[2:56] Yeah he was on your left side.
[3:01] 
[3:12] I learned something new.
[3:13] Learn you can't teach
an old dog new tricks.
[3:16] 
[3:22] Happy days.
[3:24] Call to order.
[3:26] The city council meeting
for February 7th, 2024.
[3:33] Mr Joseph Richardson.
[3:35] Here so.
[3:43] 
[3:56] Our Thanks today to Mayor
Grenier, the commissioners
[3:59] and the city staff
for this invitation
[4:02] to do the invocation today.
[4:05] In this chamber of governance.
[4:07] Let us unite in the spirit
of reason, compassion,
[4:11] and the pursuit of Justice.
[4:14] As we gather, may our hearts
be open to the diversity
[4:18] that defines our community.
[4:21] This morning.
[4:22] Let us draw inspiration from the
Universal Declaration of Human
[4:26] Rights signed more than 75 years
ago, serving as a guidepost,
[4:32] illuminating the path to
equality, dignity and liberty
[4:36] for all.
[4:38] May today's meetings decisions
reflect the wisdom of reason
[4:43] and the empathy that binds
us as fellow human beings.
[4:48] In the pursuit of goodwill
to all in our County.
[4:52] May our actions be
guided by the principles
[4:55] of inclusivity,
fairness and respect
[4:58] for the autonomy of
every individual.
[5:03] Let this assembly
today be a testament
[5:06] to the shared values
that transcend
[5:08] creed, culture and conviction.
[5:12] At the same time, may we be
grateful for the progress
[5:15] we have made in
the past 75 years
[5:18] and the many accomplishments
that surely lie ahead.
[5:24] In closing, let us remember
this work is a reflection
[5:27] of a commitment to the
city and that these efforts
[5:30] will have a lasting impact on
the lives of those you serve.
[5:36] Thank you.
[5:36] 
[5:40] Mr clerk, if you would, please.
[5:41] 
[5:46] Good afternoon.
[5:48] Thank you for the
privilege of allowing
[5:50] me to work with you all.
[5:52] And Thank you for the honor
of allowing me to pray.
[5:55] Heavenly father, Thank you for
this blessed and glorious day.
[5:59] Thank you for the
folks we work for.
[6:01] Thank you for the
folks we work with.
[6:02] Thank you for the glorious
city that we live in.
[6:05] Thank you for all the
blessings you bestow on us.
[6:08] Please keep us on
a righteous path.
[6:10] Please forgive us for our sins
and bless those less fortunate.
[6:13] In Jesus Christ's name.
[6:14] Amen Amen.
[6:17] Pledge of Allegiance to the
flag of the United States
[6:20] of America to the Republic
for which it stands.
[6:24] One nation under God.
[6:26] Indivisible with liberty
and justice for all.
[6:29] 
[6:37] OK let me go.
[6:42] All right.
[6:43] If anybody has anything to say
regarding one of the agenda
[6:49] items today, please fill
out one of the forms there
[6:52] and bring it to Mr
Clark over there
[6:53] on the corner to
remind you there
[6:56] was not going to be
any there's never
[6:58] any discussion on first
readings, which is tabs 5 and 6
[7:03] today.
[7:04] So if you want to
still stick around,
[7:07] there will be read
into the records.
[7:09] If you still want to
stick around and enjoy
[7:11] the rest of the city council
meeting and what we do here,
[7:14] we'd love to have you to
stick around and talk about
[7:18] and listen to what we have,
what we do here in the city
[7:20] for various American city.
[7:23] Um, with that, just for clarity.
[7:27] Heb 5 and 6 is related
to the idumaea crossing
[7:31] rezoning of 19.46 acres.
[7:37] So what the mayor has
said is if you're here
[7:40] to speak on the item
you're crossing rezoning,
[7:44] there will be no discussion
today on that item.
[7:47] It is first reading.
[7:49] The next meeting, which is
February 21st, full meeting
[7:55] with the developer.
[7:58] You want to speak
things of that nature.
[8:00] However, as you said, feel
free to stay in the meeting.
[8:03] There's a lot of
exciting things coming
[8:05] up on budgets and things.
[8:08] Thank you, Mr Drury,
for clarifying
[8:10] and adding on to that.
[8:11] Yes tabs 5 and 6 and
animal crossings.
[8:15] Um, is there any changes
or any additions?
[8:18] Mr drury?
[8:19] None very good.
[8:22] Changes or additions.
[8:23] Council anything.
[8:25] I'll make a motion to
approve the agenda.
[8:26] We got a motion to approve.
[8:28] Second got a motion
and a second.
[8:31] All in favor?
[8:32] Aye opposed.
[8:34] Passes Oh.
[8:37] Uh, proclamations
and presentations.
[8:39] I see.
[8:39] None swearing in by city
attorney and disclosure of ex
[8:43] parte communications,
Ms Lindsay.
[8:45] Yes Thank you, mayor.
[8:46] There are no quasi judicial
matters on the agenda today.
[8:49] Very good.
[8:50] And reading of all ordinances,
resolutions into record.
[8:53] Miss Susie.
[8:53] Thank you, mayor.
[8:54] We have two resolutions
and three ordinances.
[8:57] Resolution 2020 401, a
resolution by the city council
[9:02] of the city of Tavares,
Florida, to vacate a portion
[9:05] of a 16 foot wide alley right
of way located at 120 North
[9:09] Bloxham Avenue to Berry's
Florida 32778 line lying
[9:14] East of lots a, B and C 52.
[9:18] The Tavares improvement
companies subdivision
[9:21] is recorded in plat book four,
page 39 of the public records
[9:26] of Lake county, Florida.
[9:27] Subject to the rules
and regulations
[9:29] ordained by the city of Tavares
council providing for a date.
[9:34] Resolution 2020 403.
[9:37] A resolution of the
city of Florida amending
[9:39] 2024 fiscal year adopted
budget for the fairies
[9:44] representing the First
Amendment to the adopted budget,
[9:47] providing for severability
and an effective date.
[9:51] Ordinance 20 2020 4-01
first reading ordinance
[9:56] of the Florida rezoning
approximately 19.46 acres
[10:01] of land located at the Southeast
corner of the intersection
[10:04] of State Road 19 and lane park
cut off from Highway commercial
[10:08] c-2 to Planned development
pd, subject to the rules,
[10:12] regulations and
obligations ordained
[10:14] by the city of Tavares council
providing effective date
[10:18] ordinance 2020 402 first
reading an ordinance of the city
[10:23] of tiberias, Florida amending
the Tavares comprehensive plan
[10:26] future land use
map 2040 providing
[10:29] for a change of future
land use designation
[10:31] approximately 19.46
acres of land located
[10:35] at the Southeast corner
of the intersection
[10:38] of State Road 19 and lane park.
[10:39] Cutoff from commercial
to mixed use
[10:43] mu providing for
severability and conflicts
[10:46] in providing for
an effective date.
[10:49] An ordinance 2020
4-03 first reading
[10:53] and transmittal pursuant to
chapter 163 of the Florida
[10:57] statutes amending the
public facilities element
[11:00] and conservation element
of the city of the Tavares
[11:03] comprehensive plan 2040.
[11:05] In order for consistency
with the city's work
[11:08] plan and regional water
supply planning initiatives
[11:11] by providing for
severability and conflicts,
[11:14] providing for an effective
date and bacteremia.
[11:17] Thank you, miss Susie.
[11:19] Take, Council the
consent agenda.
[11:21] Looks like just our
city council meeting
[11:23] minutes from the last meeting.
[11:25] I'll make a motion to approve.
[11:27] Second I've got a motion
to approve and seconded.
[11:30] All in favor?
[11:31] Aye all opposed.
[11:32] 
[11:35] Resolution tab three
community development.
[11:41] Thank you, mayor.
[11:42] This resolution the Community
Development Department
[11:45] is bringing forward
is a resolution
[11:48] to vacate a certain property.
[11:50] That was.
[11:52] Allocated as an alleyway.
[11:55] The property is located in
120 North block Tavares.
[12:02] The adjacent
property owner, which
[12:03] is Saint John's independent
free Methodist church,
[12:06] has requested to vacate it.
[12:10] It's undeveloped and
it's not practical
[12:12] for any future alleyway.
[12:16] If you can see in
the location map,
[12:18] if you can go a little
bit more, it kind of ends
[12:23] right at the South portion.
[12:25] So there is no plans
to further that any.
[12:31] City staff has reviewed it.
[12:32] Other departments like public
works and utilities reviewed it
[12:37] and all of them confirmed
that it should be vacated.
[12:42] There was no conflicts and
making the right of way
[12:44] for drainage, utilities,
health, safety,
[12:47] and welfare of the public.
[12:48] As a result, the official
vacation will remove the city's
[12:52] public interest in this land.
[12:56] Our recommendations
to approve it.
[12:59] The planning and
zoning board voters
[13:03] voted unanimously to recommend
approval of resolution
[13:07] 24 1 as presented.
[13:09] And you have our official staff
recommendation in the packet.
[13:14] The resolution has a better
picture with the zoning,
[13:19] with the actual
legal description
[13:21] and sketch description
of the property
[13:23] as legalized by approval.
[13:28] Have any questions for staff?
[13:29] I'm here.
[13:30] I believe the
applicant might be here
[13:33] if he wants to say anything.
[13:36] you don't have to, but.
[13:38] 
[13:41] Thank you, counsel.
[13:44] Have a question, Miss Bray.
[13:45] Is this alleyway
is currently named?
[13:48] No, sir.
[13:49] No named.
[13:50] 
[13:52] Does the property on the west,
the property on the east,
[13:56] are they owned by
the same person?
[13:59] Yes, they are.
[14:00] 
[14:03] Anyone else.
[14:05] Would you like to move on?
[14:06] I'll make a motion to approve.
[14:07] Second we have a motion
to approve in the second.
[14:10] All in favor?
[14:11] Opposed?
[14:13] very good.
[14:14] Passes on a tab for.
[14:18] First budget Amendment
for fiscal year
[14:20] 2020 for finance department.
[14:24] Thank you, mayor.
[14:25] Members of council.
[14:27] This is a ministerial
administrative function
[14:30] that we do every year,
bringing prior year
[14:32] into the current year.
[14:34] Resolution 2020 403
amends fiscal year
[14:38] 2023 2024 city of Tavares
annual operating budget.
[14:43] The attached resolution
represents increases
[14:46] and/or decreases to the adopted
budget for fiscal year 2024.
[14:51] Appropriation
increases represent
[14:53] capital projects, ARPA
expenditures and prior year
[14:57] encumbrance rollovers.
[14:59] In addition, the resolution
includes transfers
[15:02] between individual accounts
within the adopted budgets
[15:05] for all departments.
[15:07] The options for council is
to approve resolution 2020
[15:11] 403 amending 2324
annual operating budget
[15:18] or not to approve and.
[15:21] Fiscal impact is bringing
things forward from prior year.
[15:25] So, mayor, back to you.
[15:27] Thank you.
[15:28] Thank you.
[15:28] Very good.
[15:29] Council I'll make a motion
to approve the resolution.
[15:33] Second we have a
motion to approve.
[15:35] And second.
[15:36] All in favor?
[15:37] Aye opposed?
[15:38] 
[15:41] OK once again, tab 5 one
item crossing crossings
[15:46] is only in the
first ring, so we'll
[15:48] move on to tab seven transmittal
hearing community development.
[15:53] Thank you, mayor.
[15:54] Um, this is.
[15:56] This is a transmittal ordinance,
and that's why it's being read.
[15:59] Um, it's open to
the public as well
[16:02] because it's a text Amendment to
the, to our comprehensive plan.
[16:06] There's two elements that
were changed or added
[16:10] was the public
facilities element
[16:12] and the conservation element.
[16:15] And they were all pursuant
to the city's 10 year water
[16:18] supply facility work plan.
[16:21] And regional water supply
planning initiatives.
[16:26] So it was the basis of two
Florida statute conditions
[16:31] that we had to make
some minor changes
[16:34] to the comprehensive plan.
[16:36] Um, most notably your packet.
[16:39] It should have been
highlighted the changes
[16:42] and underlying most
notably, most notably
[16:45] is the actual plan
is being adopted
[16:50] in the comprehensive plan.
[16:52] We also caveated that if
changes there is or as
[16:58] amended because sometimes
there's scrivener's errors
[17:00] and stuff in
situations like that,
[17:03] it is still going
to be valid and this
[17:05] is what we're going to follow.
[17:07] The other ones are kind of
straightforward on that.
[17:10] We're mandated by the
regional Planning Council
[17:13] and in your packet also
was the whole 10 year
[17:17] water supply facility
work plan for your review
[17:20] and consideration.
[17:24] US and on January 18th,
2024, the planning and zoning
[17:30] board voted unanimously
to recommend
[17:33] approval of the ordinance.
[17:35] 2020 403 as presented.
[17:39] Staff is recommending
the city moves
[17:42] to approve the transmittal
to the state for review of 20
[17:46] of 2020 403
comprehensive plan 2040
[17:50] text Amendment to the
future facilities element.
[17:54] The conservation element
pursuant to the city's 10 year
[17:58] water supply facility, work plan
and regional water supply plan.
[18:04] 
[18:09] You have any questions on it?
[18:11] It's in the packet or
on the staff report.
[18:17] Thank you, Antonio.
[18:18] Any questions or
comments regarding.
[18:22] 2403 I'll make a
motion then that we
[18:26] approve ordinance 2020 403.
[18:30] I'll second it.
[18:30] Here we have a motion
and a second to approve.
[18:33] All in favor?
[18:34] Aye all opposed.
[18:37] All right.
[18:38] So move.
[18:39] There we go.
[18:40] Tab a broad budget.
[18:42] Priorities Mr Drury, as provided
for in the prior city council
[18:47] meeting, an opportunity is
provided this council meeting
[18:49] to city council develop
its 25th October 1 2024
[18:54] to September 30th, 2025 budget
goals which the city manager
[18:59] will use as guiding principles
and a starting point
[19:03] to build the annual city budget
over the next several months.
[19:08] Budget will then be presented
back to the city council
[19:10] this summer.
[19:12] Thereafter the
council will continue
[19:14] to refine it through
July and August
[19:17] and finally finalize
it in September
[19:21] with public commentary
and input along the way.
[19:25] I've provided prior
year budget goals.
[19:29] The current list of projects
and initiatives that
[19:32] are underway and then a
draft of your council goals
[19:38] for the ensuing year.
[19:42] What I would recommend is we.
[19:47] Go look at the
goals and the order
[19:53] and see if anybody has any
issue with any of those goals.
[19:55] If you do and three of you
do, then they'll be removed.
[19:59] If you don't, then they'll stay.
[20:01] And whatever the collective
goals are from all five of you
[20:06] will then be incorporated
into the budgeting process.
[20:10] And I think that is
the first attachment.
[20:14] Agenda item.
[20:15] Back to you, mayor.
[20:17] Thank you.
[20:19] Um, through the first 5 and see
if anyone has any objections.
[20:23] 
[20:26] And like can.
[20:28] I'm going to read you like so
Bobby Grenier playing the New
[20:33] to various frontier along State
Road 19 561 448 corridor with
[20:40] no sprawl and be mindful
of economic residential
[20:42] development, land conservation
and possible convention center.
[20:49] Any issues with that.
[20:51] Seeing none continue to make
sure that the various History
[20:53] Museum and the
various library have
[20:55] the resources needed to maintain
the high level of service.
[21:01] They purchase the home
of the major Saint
[21:03] Clair Abrams, the founder
of the and Lake County.
[21:08] Well, we've already met
on that, haven't we?
[21:10] It's already been defeated.
[21:12] OK so that's.
[21:16] Out keep streets, alleyways,
stormwater improvements going
[21:21] and at a high level of service.
[21:23] Provide for the resources
police and fire department
[21:27] need to ensure they maintain
their high level of service.
[21:31] 
[21:33] Vice mayor Sandy gamble
deliver budget at rollback,
[21:37] then allow council
to make additions
[21:39] as necessary for the final
budget clarification.
[21:45] I talked about this.
[21:47] What my desire that is we keep
hearing take us to rollback,
[21:51] take us to rollback would
like and I've asked him
[21:54] and he said he could do it.
[21:55] It's not so much that
we have a budget.
[21:57] That's right at rollback
but that we show if we
[22:01] were to go back to rollback.
[22:03] This is what would
have to be cut.
[22:05] Services would have to be
cut, employees manpower.
[22:08] And I don't think
that's something
[22:09] we want to do when we're
increasing manpower, especially
[22:12] in the fire department.
[22:13] But I just want
to point this out.
[22:15] So the citizens know
if they keep, you
[22:18] know, take us back to rollback.
[22:20] Well, this is what it
would lose if we did that.
[22:22] So that's my intent, that it's
not so much that I'm saying
[22:25] I want to go to
the rollback just
[22:27] to show the public what
it would take to do that.
[22:30] Isn't that double
work for the staff?
[22:34] I mean, if you're going I don't
have an issue with identifying
[22:39] rollback rate and the
dollar associated with it
[22:42] and correlating that to.
[22:45] How it correlates
to all the services.
[22:49] I think we can do that.
[22:50] You'll have that and I don't
have a problem with that.
[22:54] We can add it to our.
[22:55] 
[22:58] Maintain the level of service.
[23:02] Continue and finish
capital projects.
[23:06] Sidewalk replacement
where needed.
[23:08] Adopt new impact fees
for residential housing.
[23:11] 
[23:14] You know, and that
one, what we're
[23:16] going to need to do
is probably, Agendize
[23:22] that to get an understanding
what the collective wisdom
[23:25] of the board is.
[23:27] Is it increase or decrease?
[23:29] Is it to increase revenues,
decrease things of that nature?
[23:33] I would agendize
that first to discuss
[23:37] what it is you're looking for.
[23:38] Once you vote on that, then
I'll either reduce the budget
[23:42] or increase the budget
based on your final vote.
[23:45] Would that also include
the parks impact fees?
[23:49] It include all?
[23:50] Yeah in other words,
the residential housing,
[23:54] the impact fees are
involved with that.
[23:57] Our impact fees haven't
been touched in years
[24:00] and we're losing financing.
[24:03] And what is happening is in
a lot of new development,
[24:06] because the impact
fees that we're getting
[24:08] is not enough to take care
of everything that we need.
[24:11] The people that have been
here 30, 40, 50 years
[24:13] are having to make
up the difference
[24:15] because we have to get loans.
[24:16] So when we do that agenda, we
can discuss that a little bit
[24:21] further.
[24:22] I agree.
[24:23] 
[24:27] Finalize the Stover complex.
[24:31] Transfer to the Lake County
school board, which that is.
[24:36] Uh, we're in the middle of doing
that, so I think that'll be,
[24:41] In time with this budget,
continue to lower debt
[24:44] and not go into further debt.
[24:46] And as you know, that's
a board decision.
[24:49] When that comes before you.
[24:53] Councilmember Pfister continue
improvements and renovations of
[24:56] the Regional Park East Campus.
[24:58] We continue to do that.
[24:59] We're working with the County
and we'll incorporate that.
[25:03] Restructure impact fees.
[25:05] Again, we just talked
about incentives
[25:08] for economic development.
[25:11] Continue efforts for golf
cart crossing at the hospital.
[25:16] Downtown lighting
improvements for safety.
[25:20] Improvements and
explore possible
[25:21] commercial participation
at pontoon promenade.
[25:26] Lobby local lawmakers
to legislate
[25:28] the closing of gaming rooms.
[25:30] 
[25:32] Increase their family oriented
small events and activities.
[25:38] Assure that employee pay
and benefits are competitive
[25:40] to attract and retain the best.
[25:42] 
[25:46] Council member price try to
get to the rollback rate.
[25:50] And if not, continue
to lower millage rate.
[25:52] 
[25:55] Accelerate city debt repayments.
[25:57] Although current interest
rates might postpone this.
[26:02] Continue to pursue grants,
provide the same level
[26:04] of service to our
residents, increase
[26:07] reserves, accomplish the waste
the West Main Street gateway.
[26:12] 
[26:14] Convert existing public works
facility to surface parking.
[26:21] Repaving our roads.
[26:23] Question about number seven.
[26:26] There Vert two surface parking.
[26:30] Thought we were looking at.
[26:32] Putting it in garage.
[26:33] Yes, I think it'll be in phases.
[26:36] We will not.
[26:37] Have you got a goal not
to take any loans out?
[26:41] And obviously putting a
multi-million dollar parking
[26:44] garage, you have
to take a loan out.
[26:47] You've got a goal to
create parking over there.
[26:52] Surface parking.
[26:54] You might be able to get
done without the lone garage.
[27:00] You will never get that alone.
[27:03] So this will be phase one.
[27:06] Surface parking.
[27:08] Then in the future.
[27:11] The council.
[27:12] Go ahead and do the garage.
[27:14] Yeah, the my intent there was.
[27:17] To make that surface
parking as an interim.
[27:21] Thing Uh, if we see that
it's constantly full,
[27:26] constantly overfilled
and start looking
[27:29] at the next phase of that.
[27:31] But you said that we may
not even have to do that
[27:35] without any debt or anything.
[27:38] Uh, as I recall,
our mayor said he
[27:39] was willing to get a
bulldozer and start
[27:41] knocking buildings down.
[27:43] So that should ought
help, because that
[27:45] will reduce the cost.
[27:46] 
[27:49] Hey Councilmember
singer continue
[27:53] lowering the millage rate.
[27:55] Maintain recommended
reserve levels.
[27:58] Continue to invest in road
repaving and infrastructure.
[28:03] Continue to go after grants.
[28:06] Be sure that all departments
are properly staffed
[28:10] and every employee is
fairly compensated.
[28:14] Look for ways to
clean the On gateway
[28:18] drive and North Duncan drive.
[28:20] 
[28:23] All righty.
[28:23] So I've got the collective
goals for the city council
[28:29] for FY 25 budget
department directors,
[28:32] and I will be meeting next
week to incorporate those
[28:35] into their work plans
and budget plans.
[28:38] Then we will come back with
you with a balanced budget
[28:41] this summer for your
deliberation and tweaking
[28:45] and adding and doing what
you do with public input
[28:49] along the way.
[28:50] Back to you, mayor.
[28:51] Thank you.
[28:52] Something about this on, um, on
Mayor Grenier, on number three
[29:01] the purchase of the home.
[29:02] And I know we've
already been there.
[29:03] We've already voted
no, but I don't
[29:06] think it's fair to say it
won't be discussed again
[29:08] because there's a
lot of different ways
[29:11] that maybe the
money can be found.
[29:13] I, I don't think the mayor was
as prepared as he should have
[29:17] been when he presented this.
[29:19] There is a whole lot of
different ways to find money.
[29:22] So I don't want us
just to close our eyes
[29:24] and say it can't be done
or we won't hear it again.
[29:27] This kind of reminds me years
and years and years ago,
[29:30] back when we were in one of
our worst economic times,
[29:33] I wanted to build a dog park.
[29:35] Tabriz didn't have a
dog park, and nobody
[29:37] y'all wouldn't spend money.
[29:38] And I remember the
mayor at the time
[29:40] when I brought it back like the
third time, and the mayor said,
[29:43] you're not going
to have a dog park.
[29:45] And I said, well,
if I find the money
[29:47] and I have a dog park any
right here on record and said,
[29:51] if you find the money,
you can have a dog park.
[29:54] Well, I already had that
ammunition in my back pocket
[29:57] and we have a dog park.
[29:58] So I'm just saying that I
hate to do that to the mayor
[30:02] when something is near
and dear to your heart,
[30:04] give him the
opportunity to go out
[30:06] and try to find the
funding without the city.
[30:10] That's all I'm asking.
[30:11] If we could do that
without saying no.
[30:15] What do y'all think about that?
[30:16] I mean, I'm OK with that, but.
[30:20] I've already talked to
some individuals and they.
[30:24] Like we don't need to
be in that business.
[30:27] I understand that, too.
[30:29] And one of them was one that.
[30:32] A breakfast with.
[30:33] 
[30:35] On this case, he kind of changed
his mind on that statement.
[30:40] But like I say, no,
I'm open minded.
[30:44] OK that's all I was asking for.
[30:47] That's all I'm asking,
because let's just
[30:48] be open minded and
fair here and at least
[30:51] give him the opportunity.
[30:52] I mean, not to come back
and ask us for the money,
[30:55] but to come back and
say, I found the money.
[30:57] Right absolutely.
[30:59] I mean, that's vision.
[31:01] That's looking
forward to the future,
[31:04] seeing what can be done
using your imagination.
[31:08] Way of getting things done.
[31:09] Absolutely just don't
Chuck it off to the side.
[31:12] Appreciate those thoughts.
[31:13] Thank you.
[31:14] And I easily can
find a lot of people
[31:16] as well who would say, why don't
we get something like that?
[31:20] Why can't we have
something like that?
[31:21] So anyways, yeah, give
me the opportunity
[31:22] to see what I can do.
[31:25] Financial impact any
of the budget at all,
[31:28] and I appreciate you all
allowing me to do that.
[31:31] Thank you very much.
[31:32] Have somebody here.
[31:33] So just to be clear
here, three people
[31:36] approving that in the budget
to be funded by others
[31:42] if it's funded by others.
[31:43] OK Thank you.
[31:45] Thank you.
[31:46] Thank you.
[31:47] Bear in mind that also means
that in the years beyond,
[31:52] we have to staff
it and maintain it.
[31:54] So where is that finance?
[31:56] Well, we can discuss
that when we get to it.
[31:58] That's fine.
[31:58] Talking about that
hadn't spilled yet.
[32:01] So just putting it out
there and there's and Thank
[32:07] you for putting it out there.
[32:08] But there's a lot
of things everywhere
[32:11] of how to stay up there.
[32:13] We need staffing
for so many things.
[32:15] So that's something we'll
discuss as we go along there.
[32:18] But I appreciate
you mentioning that.
[32:20] So that is a concern.
[32:21] And that's something
we'll talk about.
[32:25] this is tab eight, isn't it?
[32:28] Uh, tab eight.
[32:29] Yeah, because somebody
here wants to speak
[32:31] on tab Vance Vance Yoakam.
[32:34] 
[32:40] Good afternoon.
[32:41] Tavares is Vance Yoakam
1261 Waukee Avenue Tavares.
[32:46] It's been a while.
[32:47] Yeah, just but, you know, I
look at the budget, I mean,
[32:51] the agenda budget.
[32:53] And I didn't say, I
got to say something.
[32:56] I missed the last one.
[32:57] So and I have not had a
chance to look at that.
[33:01] So the comments are going to
make are kind of broad brush.
[33:04] You may actually maybe you
approved it and it's in there.
[33:07] I don't know.
[33:07] But I will follow up on that
as one is that I would like
[33:14] to reiterate the discussion
that you had about going
[33:17] to the rollback rate.
[33:18] I really believe that in this
economy and the uncertainties
[33:23] that the cap is spending at
the rollback rate period,
[33:27] just that, that we're
going to live within,
[33:29] that there's a lot of
economic indicators
[33:33] that you probably
should have a report on.
[33:37] Maybe Mr Murray knows
somebody in the industry that
[33:40] can come up with
those to show you
[33:42] how good or bad the economy is.
[33:45] For instance, a lot
of the press is saying
[33:47] there's all this job growth.
[33:49] Biden is saying it
and everything else.
[33:51] Well, there's also
a report out that
[33:53] says they studied the last four
years of growth and all of it
[33:56] was foreign born people.
[33:58] Nobody no Americans
actually got more jobs.
[34:03] So I think you should
be aware of that.
[34:06] So that you can assess your
decisions in light of how it's
[34:10] going to impact your
local residents,
[34:12] whether it's foreclosures
and other leading
[34:15] indicators on economics going
up or down next is that.
[34:21] 
[34:23] I would ask that you set
measurable performance
[34:26] benchmarks by department
and be included
[34:29] within the budget statistics.
[34:32] I think you still get the kind
of benchmark consortium report,
[34:36] but you don't make it public.
[34:38] And I think that we ought
to have public benchmarks
[34:41] showing a goal for
improvement in operating
[34:45] ratios by department.
[34:47] And then the actual is that
probably at least quarterly.
[34:52] Let's, you know, set some
goals that show that you're
[34:57] trying to contain cost growth.
[35:02] He to various nature park.
[35:10] Didn't hear discussion of that.
[35:11] I'll have more details during
the regular input section,
[35:15] but I think you really need to
start planning for rebuilding
[35:19] that fishing dock out there
and the boardwalk that's been
[35:22] neglected and not maintained.
[35:24] The County is just
entertained and approved
[35:27] a study of citizens to
float a $5,050 million
[35:33] bond issue on new public
lands because the old one
[35:37] they had for $30 million is
expiring in a year or two.
[35:42] And so, of course, the bond
salesman is already pushing it.
[35:45] Thank you and great
to see you again.
[35:47] Thank you.
[35:50] OK all right.
[35:54] How are we?
[35:55] Any more discussion
on tab eight there?
[35:59] We know how to proceed.
[36:01] So good.
[36:03] All righty.
[36:03] Any more discussion on this?
[36:05] No OK.
[36:07] Um, go to Tabnine medical
marijuana dispensary.
[36:11] Current city ordinance.
[36:12] Community development.
[36:16] Thank you, Mr Mayor.
[36:18] This is a discussing
item at the last council
[36:21] meeting requested by council
member Laurie Pfister.
[36:24] The city council voted to
discuss the current medical
[36:28] marijuana dispensary ordinance.
[36:30] So I made a report on how it
was adopted and a timeline,
[36:35] and I can go over that.
[36:37] On August 20th, 2014,
the city of Tavares
[36:42] passed ordinance 20 1412, which
added the city regulations
[36:47] and definitions of medical
marijuana dispensaries
[36:51] and amended the
chapter 8 and table 8
[36:54] to permitted and
special uses, allowing
[36:57] medical marijuana dispensaries
in the c-2 highway
[37:02] commercial district only.
[37:06] However, what happened
was on June 23rd, 2017,
[37:11] the Florida legislature passed
Senate Bill eight, a amending
[37:17] Florida statute 381986,
requiring that local government
[37:23] agencies either ban medical
marijuana dispensaries
[37:27] within their boundaries or
allow dispensaries to operate
[37:32] within the same zoning
districts that would allow
[37:36] pharmacies to be to operate.
[37:41] So on December 20th, 2017.
[37:47] Aveiro city council
adopted ordinance 20 1721,
[37:51] which restricted medical
marijuana dispensaries.
[37:56] Two only located on the
commercial downtown,
[38:00] which is Main Street and some of
the zero 19 general commercial.
[38:06] See one again?
[38:08] See that's stable 19
and commercial use.
[38:12] Those are the zonings are.
[38:14] And we already adopted
highway commercial two
[38:17] zoning districts.
[38:20] I attach in the report,
all the ordinances
[38:24] and the Florida Senate Bill
that was approved and full time.
[38:30] So I'm here to just
answer questions.
[38:33] Or just to be clear, they
adopted an ordinance that was
[38:38] consistent with the statute.
[38:40] Yes, it's as of this
date, the city regulations
[38:44] are consistent with
state law as they
[38:46] pertain to permitting locations
for medical marijuana.
[38:50] They're only permitted where
a pharmacy is permitted.
[38:54] Yes Thank you.
[38:57] So the pharmacy permitted
in our downtown?
[39:01] Yes so that's what
I wanted to clarify,
[39:05] because things have
changed since I remember.
[39:09] I was the one that
brought this up originally
[39:11] when we first did
this back in 2014,
[39:14] I was the one the very concerned
about medical marijuana
[39:17] or whatever was going on.
[39:18] Didn't want it in our city.
[39:20] Well, things have changed
a whole lot since then,
[39:23] and I think we're losing out
on quite a lot of revenue.
[39:27] We are.
[39:28] Probably one of the few
cities that don't allow
[39:31] a medical marijuana dispensary.
[39:34] So and.
[39:36] I just think it's
important that we
[39:39] discuss this and make a
decision on whether or not
[39:42] we want that revenue.
[39:43] If we don't take it, someone
else is going to get it.
[39:46] And we've been working so
hard to balance our security,
[39:50] we do allow it well, but we
haven't allowed it downtown.
[39:54] We do allow it if
anyone wants to have it.
[39:58] Then why are we came to
y'all with this and thought
[40:01] that's why we were
having the discussion
[40:03] because of the ordinance that
we had, they couldn't have
[40:06] it in our downtown.
[40:08] That's how I remember
it last meeting.
[40:10] It they can.
[40:11] They can have it downtown,
have a Main Street
[40:14] miscommunication on my part.
[40:16] I thought you were talking
about manufacturing
[40:17] and industrial parks or
things of that nature.
[40:19] No, you're talking about the.
[40:22] Yes, we can have one downtown.
[40:24] We can have one on.
[40:25] This is a mute point.
[40:27] Over I apologize.
[40:32] Very good.
[40:33] Strike down.
[40:33] Up as a win.
[40:35] Yeah, absolutely.
[40:38] Got a couple questions.
[40:39] We have any medical marijuana
dispensaries in tavaris now?
[40:43] We don't have it in
our jurisdiction.
[40:47] OK, so the ordinance is either
ban them outright or let
[40:51] them be in a specific zoning.
[40:53] There's no in between.
[40:54] Like saying we can only have
three like we do with gangs.
[40:58] No, no.
[40:58] 
[41:05] Happy days.
[41:06] Wonderful all right.
[41:07] No more discussion on Tabnine.
[41:09] Very good.
[41:10] New business.
[41:13] So go ahead.
[41:18] Oh, OK.
[41:18] Oh, no.
[41:19] Old business.
[41:21] And y'all remember about
the lighting issue and it
[41:23] was on I've got it on mine.
[41:25] And I believe
someone else had it.
[41:27] So the other morning it.
[41:31] At 445, I was coming
through downtown.
[41:36] I was heading up
to North Carolina
[41:38] and I was at the roundabout.
[41:39] 4:45 AM.
[41:42] There were some
people in the ground
[41:44] down there by the freedom flag.
[41:48] You can't see him.
[41:49] Don't under don't
know what the lighting
[41:50] problem is that we have.
[41:52] Because I told you
about other people
[41:53] that have complained
downtown here.
[41:55] Um, that's the second time
it's happened to me now
[41:58] that just all of a
sudden there's people
[42:00] and you just don't see them.
[42:01] And I'm.
[42:03] Alert so that's real important.
[42:05] Guys, we have got to
get on this lighting.
[42:07] And I think we've
issued a contract.
[42:10] Yes, we did issue a contract
and Duke is currently
[42:13] adding additional
well, there's eight
[42:15] additional lights for existing
and they're adding 8 additional
[42:18] to that area.
[42:19] Isn't that odd how
one spots down here?
[42:22] And when you look at it,
you feel like it's well lit.
[42:25] But when you're driving, I
mean, they just appeared,
[42:28] you know, from the.
[42:32] 
[42:36] you know, up there, that
was who was their engineer
[42:40] that did this, you know.
[42:41] But that's been a nightmare.
[42:45] It was scary.
[42:46] Yeah but what happens, I
think, is when you're driving,
[42:52] it's very, very dark.
[42:54] And then there's light.
[42:55] We have down there.
[42:57] You'll see everything.
[42:58] But when you're driving in a
downtown with bright lights
[43:00] everywhere and your
pupils change, and then
[43:04] all of a sudden you
get a dark spot.
[43:06] Your pupils do not catch
up with that change.
[43:08] So you have great lighting
on 441 and in the Downtown
[43:14] and all of a sudden
dark spots you authorize
[43:17] a study which we
did to identify all
[43:20] the dark spots which we have.
[43:23] When your pupil adjusts
to bright lights.
[43:28] Those dark spots,
which you cannot
[43:30] adjust quickly, will be
lit up and your pupils
[43:34] don't have to go.
[43:35] Large small.
[43:36] Large small.
[43:37] Along the way.
[43:39] Thank you.
[43:39] I just wanted to reiterate.
[43:41] How important was that?
[43:42] Thank you all.
[43:43] Yes any other old
business council?
[43:48] OK, so we got the audience
to be heard and the reminder.
[43:52] Um, there's no
discussion on 5 and 6
[43:55] item air crossing rezoning.
[43:57] So if there's anyone
audience to be heard
[43:59] outside of that
opportunity now to come up,
[44:02] you have three minutes,
come up to the podium.
[44:04] 
[44:11] Thank you, Mr Mayor.
[44:13] And council.
[44:15] Name and address or main
address for the record.
[44:18] I'm sorry.
[44:19] My name is Donald Kerr.
[44:20] I'm 16833 Deer Island Road.
[44:23] Thanks for the reminder.
[44:24] Um, and I'm very
conscious of your Warning.
[44:27] I'm not here to talk
about a specific project,
[44:29] but I do want to make some
general comments about what
[44:33] I'm observing in our community.
[44:35] Um, you just discussed your
budget, and what I heard was
[44:39] we have problems.
[44:40] We don't have enough income, we
can't buy firemen, et cetera.
[44:43] What do we do?
[44:44] I think it was Mr Gamble who
said 30 to 40 to 50 years,
[44:50] people have been
here and they are
[44:52] now having to make up the
differences for the losses
[44:55] that we have.
[44:56] So I want to talk for a minute
about population growth.
[44:59] Florida is the number
one state in the country
[45:01] for growth in population,
far outpacing everyone else.
[45:06] People are moving here from
New York, Chicago, California.
[45:09] California had a problem
a few months ago where
[45:11] U-Haul ran out of equipment.
[45:15] Well, if you follow
that, I believe that land
[45:18] is a finite commodity.
[45:20] There's only so much.
[45:21] How many times have
you heard that they're
[45:23] not making any more of it?
[45:24] So multiple studies and I
can bring that information
[45:27] to the council have shown
over time that you lose money
[45:31] every time you approve
a residential project,
[45:35] whether it's multifamily,
single family, high rise.
[45:37] You lose money.
[45:38] It's a fact.
[45:39] So I'm going to tell
you a short story.
[45:42] Um, I've done a fair
amount of development.
[45:45] Some of it was in St. Louis
in a historic district,
[45:47] and I bought a
100-year-old building
[45:49] and wanted to renovate
it, and I made
[45:51] it into a banquet facility.
[45:53] I also had a liquor license.
[45:54] I could be open six
days of the year.
[45:56] My first day was Mardi Gras.
[45:57] Saturday we were open
all day, but we'd
[46:00] announce some pretty
major bands we're
[46:02] going to play at
night, including Chuck
[46:05] Berry was going to be there.
[46:06] So we had people coming in and
out of the facility all day
[46:09] long.
[46:10] Got to be 6:00, 7:00.
[46:12] And I had a doorman, I
had a police officer.
[46:15] We had to put a cover
charge on the door
[46:17] to slow down the
people coming in
[46:19] because the fire
Marshal had said
[46:20] 300 people is your maximum.
[46:22] As we got that became $2 and
$3 and $5 when we got to 11:00.
[46:28] The major bands playing.
[46:30] There were people out the
driveway and we were full
[46:35] and we had to stop letting
people in the building.
[46:38] And what we had to do was
go to one person comes out,
[46:42] one person goes in.
[46:44] It's an easy concept.
[46:45] It worked very well.
[46:46] I'm suggesting to you that
most people that I talk
[46:50] to suggest that we're full.
[46:53] We've had enough housing.
[46:55] I did a study in
2017, suggested we
[46:57] had 1,200% of what
we had forecast
[47:01] for housing into various.
[47:02] Thank you.
[47:04] Anyone else?
[47:05] Vance Yoakam 12619
Milwaukee Avenue.
[47:17] Tavares just
quickly want to talk
[47:20] about the Tavares nature park.
[47:22] Not budget issues, but just
the condition of the park,
[47:26] that there is no park map
on any of the sign posts
[47:32] that they've got there.
[47:33] And there's a really good
one that is in the park
[47:36] that's up in Eustis.
[47:38] And I really think
that you need a trail
[47:41] map because a lot
of people, I talk
[47:43] to them as I walk down there.
[47:44] I go in there about
three times a week.
[47:47] Have you ever been in there?
[47:48] No, I don't.
[47:49] I don't even know
what's in there.
[47:50] There's no trail maps that
show that there's that center
[47:54] with the picnic table.
[47:55] There's a pond that the
trails go all over the place,
[47:58] and it's a very nice walk.
[48:01] The and then all the signs
that indicate what the tree is
[48:07] or the plants are, probably
80% of them are gone.
[48:11] They've been
destroyed or removed.
[48:13] The others have never, ever
been cleaned or maintained.
[48:16] The same for the boardwalk that
goes down to the fishing pier
[48:20] has not been maintained with
any kind of preservative
[48:23] or anything else.
[48:24] And I think that you need
to set some guidelines
[48:28] to start maintaining the park.
[48:30] Those things that
staff does, I see them
[48:33] every day going down there.
[48:34] They maintain the
toilet building there.
[48:37] They mow the lawns and most
of the areas on the paths.
[48:42] But beyond that, the condition
of a lot of these extra things
[48:45] that were installed
when the park was built
[48:49] are really run down.
[48:52] I would suggest that I think
a comment was made earlier
[48:55] about engagement and
there is nationally
[48:59] and maybe worldwide,
there's a movement in cities
[49:01] to have engagement activities
rather than a passive thing
[49:06] where you just go to a
park and walk around,
[49:09] but you have tours of the
park, you schedule them
[49:13] and I've talked a bit
to one of the people
[49:17] from Trout lake who can identify
all those plants correctly,
[49:21] she says a lot of them were
signs that indicated what
[49:26] the plants were, and
they have an engagement
[49:30] where you organize some events
in there, family events.
[49:34] You're talking earlier, and
to go for walks in there,
[49:39] I may try and do that on
my own, but I don't know.
[49:43] You know, an old guy
with a walking cane
[49:45] is going to attract
a crowd versus get,
[49:49] you know, Walter price
or Bob garner near Toledo
[49:53] walk out all of the
things that are in.
[49:56] 
[49:58] I would suggest you add benches
along some of the paths.
[50:02] There's no place
at all to sit down.
[50:04] There's nothing.
[50:05] And for people that go in
there, they get part way in
[50:08] and then they kind
of lose the oomph
[50:11] and they need to sit down.
[50:12] And so I would suggest that.
[50:14] Thank you.
[50:15] Thank you.
[50:17] Serious nature park.
[50:18] All righty.
[50:19] Anyone else in the audience?
[50:23] Thank you.
[50:23] We'll close the audience to be
heard and we'll go to Reports.
[50:27] Mr Drury just a reminder,
our next meeting
[50:29] is February 21st, 4:00 PM here.
[50:33] You folks were interested in.
[50:36] And then great event this
past weekend and the weekend
[50:40] before, and that's all I have.
[50:43] Thank you, mayor.
[50:45] Thank you.
[50:45] OK, we'll go down the line.
[50:47] 
[50:50] Your chief was busy today.
[50:51] He had a busy day.
[50:53] Anything from the tree?
[50:55] Nothing from the tree.
[50:56] OK no report today.
[50:59] Thank you, Mr Dylan.
[51:00] Nothing to report.
[51:01] Thank you.
[51:03] OK on the line, mayor.
[51:07] Thank you.
[51:07] Good evening, council.
[51:09] I do have one thing, and
I'm going to purposely keep
[51:11] this vague and void of details,
and you'll understand why
[51:14] we have a retirement coming up.
[51:16] The fire department
and we just inviting
[51:19] you all to come by and give your
best wishes to that employee.
[51:23] It's a 12, 12.5 year
employee and we're
[51:27] going to miss that person.
[51:28] So if you need
details, by all means,
[51:31] call me or just see
me after the meeting.
[51:32] Thank you very much.
[51:34] Thank you.
[51:35] That's tomorrow.
[51:37] Exclusive to 0.
[51:39] I'll nothing.
[51:46] No report, mayor.
[51:47] 
[51:49] OK Happy Valentine's Day.
[51:53] 
[51:56] Just a couple of quick things.
[51:57] We had some great events
in the Downtown area,
[52:00] the community out, one of which
was the Arbor Day festivities.
[52:04] Mr Dylan, you and your
team did a great job.
[52:07] It was nice to see everybody out
there getting their free trees
[52:09] and getting an
education on Arbor day.
[52:12] So thank you.
[52:12] And everybody that had a hand
in putting that together.
[52:15] And then we had
a rhythm on Ruby.
[52:17] Mr tweedy, your staff
did an amazing job.
[52:20] As always.
[52:21] It's great to see what an
economic driver that event is.
[52:24] It brings a lot of people
to our downtown area.
[52:26] And I just want to Thank
everybody that, you know,
[52:29] was there to support
that and everybody
[52:30] that didn't put that together.
[52:32] And then also we had
the African-American
[52:34] Heritage Festival.
[52:35] I think Pastor Mike Watkins,
who's in the audience today,
[52:38] had a hand in putting
that together.
[52:40] Very nice to see the
attendance there as well.
[52:43] And on that note, we
had our better meeting
[52:46] weeks ago and that was
in the Civic Center
[52:48] and it was very nice to
see the refurbishment
[52:51] of the Civic Center.
[52:52] First thing I noticed when we
drove up was painting outside
[52:57] and the inside was
very nice as well.
[53:00] So Mr Dylan, Thank you and
your team handled that.
[53:03] 
[53:08] It looks great.
[53:09] So thank you all very much
for everything you do.
[53:12] And last but not least,
just want to wish everybody
[53:14] a Happy Valentine's Day.
[53:15] I think we have, Mr Vice mayor.
[53:18] Yes, we had the better
meeting also last week.
[53:22] And I urge you.
[53:26] Uh, because I was
educated on something
[53:28] that I never thought
about in that fashion,
[53:32] I guess you might say.
[53:33] But look up what grandfather
clause where it originated.
[53:38] And it was brought
out in that meeting
[53:40] and it was very, very
educational to find out
[53:43] how it all initiated from that.
[53:45] We utilize that phrase a lot.
[53:48] Well, I'm under the
grandfather clause.
[53:50] Well, do you really know what
it is and where it started from?
[53:53] Maybe you need to look at it.
[53:54] So it was very interesting
how it was brought out.
[53:58] Also, we were at the
League of cities meeting
[54:00] here a couple Fridays ago and.
[54:04] And this next one I
won't be able to go to.
[54:06] No the League of cities
I can go to as the
[54:08] MPO I can't go to because
I'm a conflict that day.
[54:12] But there's a lot happening.
[54:16] And we're going
forward every day.
[54:20] And where are we on
Babe Ruth signups.
[54:23] They're doing that now.
[54:24] 
[54:30] The signups are.
[54:31] We formed all the teams.
[54:32] Everything is all signed up.
[54:34] So we're doing good.
[54:36] We're doing pretty well.
[54:37] have an increase.
[54:39] Be that's great.
[54:42] So we're getting back
into where we used to be.
[54:45] We'll get up to 400.
[54:46] I'll be real happy.
[54:48] Yeah so but no,
this is something
[54:51] that we provide here at
the city for our youth
[54:53] and we want to
continue as the y.
[54:55] So once again, as others have
said, Happy Valentine's Day.
[55:02] It's not tomorrow.
[55:03] 
[55:06] Go ahead.
[55:07] Happy Valentine's day, everyone.
[55:10] God bless us, everyone.
[55:12] Meeting adjourned.
[55:14]