1 00:00:00,110 --> 00:00:01,350 Good afternoon. Good afternoon. 2 00:00:04,010 --> 00:00:10,490 I will call this meeting of the Tame County Solid Waste Management Agency for Board to order at 330 PM. 3 00:00:11,230 --> 00:00:13,050 And we'll start with the pledge allegiance. 4 00:00:13,050 --> 00:00:13,490 The 5 00:00:21,650 --> 00:00:27,310 United States of America and due to the Republic, we will stand one nation under 6 00:00:27,310 --> 00:00:31,270 power in the middle of the world with liberty and essence for all. 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,440 Okay, we'll start with the roll call. 8 00:00:37,460 --> 00:00:37,960 Okay. 9 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:39,140 Vice Chair, Directors. 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,580 Oh, is this? 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:40,940 Yes. 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:41,880 Thank you. 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:43,580 Dr. Hansen. 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:44,280 Present. 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,200 Dr. Gonzalez. 16 00:00:46,740 --> 00:00:46,900 Yes. 17 00:00:47,940 --> 00:00:48,720 Dr. Hurn. 18 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:50,900 Dr. Borkay. 19 00:00:51,860 --> 00:00:52,200 Dr. Hurn. 20 00:00:53,060 --> 00:00:53,460 Dr. Hurn. 21 00:00:53,740 --> 00:00:54,680 Dr. Beats. 22 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:06,580 Dr. Colmanck, Dr. Jones, Dr. Burroughs, Chair Walker, President, Dr. Zain, Dr. Popp. 23 00:01:06,860 --> 00:01:07,380 Excellent. 24 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:08,120 Thank you. 25 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,340 Okay, we'll go to public common. 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,040 She was setting up a presentation. 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,540 That's for the tipping fee item eight. 28 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:17,680 Okay, thank you. 29 00:01:18,260 --> 00:01:19,480 And do we have any public comment? 30 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:28,680 I just had two, we have a free tire amnesty day open for Tahima County residents only on 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:35,140 September 19th at the Saturday from ADM until 12 p.m., we'll have staffed locations at the 32 00:01:35,140 --> 00:01:42,480 landfill and at the former Los Molino's transfer station, which is on Aero Mioway. We'll also be 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,460 accepting tiders at the Manhattan transfer station and the Rancho Tahima transfer station during 34 00:01:47,460 --> 00:01:55,600 that day, passenger tires, 40 tires, maximum per property off the rim, and residents can halt 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:01,160 up to nine tires to the event per trip without an exemption, or they can contact environment 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:06,680 on health, and they can get an exemption to halt up to 20 tires, so say a little gas 37 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:07,500 money on that. 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,540 Is that a hazardous material? 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:09,560 No. 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:10,600 No, you can't. 41 00:02:10,700 --> 00:02:10,960 No, you can't. 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,780 It's an illegal dumping issue, is where they came up with that, they had legacy tire disposal 43 00:02:16,780 --> 00:02:21,440 sites in California, so the DOT sets the limit at nine tires per 44 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:27,860 trip. Unless you're an actual tire dealer, then. Yeah, new tires that's 45 00:02:27,860 --> 00:02:32,460 not an issue, but waste tires, that's the issue. What about landfill at 46 00:02:32,460 --> 00:02:39,560 thanks Creek? Not because it's not open that day. So, some day, some day, 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,740 can we take them there, some day and then they can sort of read just out of 48 00:02:44,420 --> 00:02:45,580 That's sort of a little bit. 49 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,900 But we haven't had many questions about that before. 50 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,780 Because this is the first event. 51 00:02:55,540 --> 00:02:57,220 And we've had some indications that rancher 52 00:02:57,220 --> 00:03:01,060 to him might have a lot of amount of tires they've been collecting out there. 53 00:03:01,780 --> 00:03:04,060 What I'll say is we won't open up to Payne's Creek this one, 54 00:03:04,180 --> 00:03:06,820 but this is the first of several events we'll be having. 55 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,860 So if we don't have a lot of tires collected here, 56 00:03:10,260 --> 00:03:13,220 then we can certainly open it up on Sundays at Payne's Creek for the next event. 57 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:17,960 They're pretty sure you bring that up. Thanks, and that's just passenger cars passenger car tires 58 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:24,460 Yeah, like the first one is always kind of tentative. We don't know what we're going to get and then 59 00:03:24,460 --> 00:03:28,680 We'll be able to gauge from there the other events we can have and 60 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:34,200 Potentially, you know, if we do have money at the end of the cycle, we can always take them on the rim 61 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,780 But that's very unlikely because in the cost 62 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:44,220 We do have a fire. I didn't bring one today though. Sorry, but I can email that to everyone. 63 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,780 Yes, September 19, Saturday. 64 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:55,780 Email before you. And then look at Payne's Creek for next one. 65 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,180 Thank you. 66 00:04:01,460 --> 00:04:05,720 The only one is I'll be on vacation Friday October 2nd. 67 00:04:05,780 --> 00:04:07,560 So only when I got plans so far. 68 00:04:16,020 --> 00:04:16,500 Great. 69 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:21,980 on the county hauling commercial side. 70 00:04:22,140 --> 00:04:25,860 We're having a community cleanup down in the Pascana area. 71 00:04:26,740 --> 00:04:31,340 Saturday, September 26th from 8 to 12, 72 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,180 it will be at G's Pascana Community Hall. 73 00:04:36,340 --> 00:04:39,100 So the corner of Tomb's Camp Road and Pascana Road. 74 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,880 We just asked that there's no trailers 75 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,160 longer than six feet, it kind of gets a little crazy. 76 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,200 but so just household household garbage, 77 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:51,700 e-waste and bulky items. 78 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:53,280 No hazardous waste. 79 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,100 Thank you. 80 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:04,630 And is that they can bring all that for free? 81 00:05:05,290 --> 00:05:13,190 Okay. I think in the past, if they, a lot of folks don't have six foot trailers, most of the people we see come into the landfill have 10 or 12 foot. 82 00:05:13,570 --> 00:05:18,150 So just fill up to six feet in your trailer. I think is what we had advice folks in the past. 83 00:05:18,590 --> 00:05:18,590 Okay. 84 00:05:21,130 --> 00:05:24,530 Yeah. To avoid the 53 foot trailer, fiasco. Okay. 85 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:28,010 Close public comment. Move on to the consent agenda. 86 00:05:29,170 --> 00:05:32,490 which includes minutes and warrant registers, 87 00:05:38,810 --> 00:05:40,750 you know, motion for the consent agenda. 88 00:05:41,170 --> 00:05:42,950 I'll make a motion for the consent agenda. 89 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:45,210 Move by a director's name. 90 00:05:45,810 --> 00:05:47,870 Second by a director based your diners. 91 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:50,800 Call the roll. 92 00:05:52,140 --> 00:05:52,660 Based your diners. 93 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:53,440 Yes. 94 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:54,700 Director Hansen? 95 00:05:55,860 --> 00:05:56,480 Director Nensals. 96 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:56,940 Yes. 97 00:05:57,700 --> 00:05:58,520 Dr. Hurren. 98 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:00,260 Yes. 99 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:00,740 Dr. Bukke. 100 00:06:00,980 --> 00:06:01,500 Dr. Hurgens. 101 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:03,740 Dr. Bukke. 102 00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:04,280 Yes. 103 00:06:04,940 --> 00:06:08,600 Dr. Clamett, Dr. Jones, Dr. Burroughs. 104 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,360 Yes. Chair Walker? 105 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:10,840 Yes. 106 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:12,280 Dr. Zayne? 107 00:06:12,580 --> 00:06:12,800 Yes. 108 00:06:13,860 --> 00:06:14,240 Dr. Pop. 109 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:15,700 Great, thank you. 110 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:17,860 Sorry, I didn't ask you if anybody had any questions on it. 111 00:06:17,980 --> 00:06:20,140 It was warrant registers to anybody have any questions. 112 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:26,790 We'll move on to the regular landfill business item eight. 113 00:06:27,170 --> 00:06:31,370 Revised to fiscal year 2627 tipping fee. 114 00:06:31,710 --> 00:06:35,050 Review and approve the revised tipping fees as presented. 115 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:45,610 So, when waste connections was calculating their tipping fees and sent them to me, they were 116 00:06:45,610 --> 00:06:51,050 under the pressure we were still collecting $70,000 per month for the JPA fee. 117 00:06:51,250 --> 00:06:58,810 But we had reduced that fee to $62,000 per month, which wasn't reflected in the tipping 118 00:06:58,810 --> 00:06:59,950 fees they sent me. 119 00:06:59,950 --> 00:07:05,470 It was an error. Unfortunately, I did not catch when comparing the tipping fees year over year. 120 00:07:05,830 --> 00:07:10,270 So I'll make sure that I'm more diligent about looking at those tipping fees in the next 121 00:07:10,270 --> 00:07:17,310 stuff this year. As such, though, we'll still have to wait until October for them to be 122 00:07:17,310 --> 00:07:21,350 effective of assume they're approved at today's median because waste connections will have to 123 00:07:21,350 --> 00:07:27,070 notice them in the paper just like they do when we approve the regular tipping fees for July. 124 00:07:27,770 --> 00:07:33,410 Blades connections, Amanda Garrett has a presentation that she was going to present because 125 00:07:34,410 --> 00:07:42,490 there's the question of the roughly $8,000 that was collected each month that access 126 00:07:42,490 --> 00:07:46,470 portion, how that's going to be refunded to landfill users. 127 00:07:47,470 --> 00:07:50,490 It's all that Amanda explained that portion. 128 00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:55,190 And that if there's other questions, I'm happy to take those for either way. 129 00:07:55,190 --> 00:07:55,450 Okay. 130 00:07:59,030 --> 00:08:04,870 Good afternoon, Board. I apologize for bringing you back here before your regular quarterly meeting. 131 00:08:05,510 --> 00:08:11,930 So should be up on the screen shortly. I just have a brief presentation. It's about four slides. 132 00:08:16,140 --> 00:08:21,420 So, awesome. Thank you. She'll see. Today, I'll give a brief explanation of how the fee 133 00:08:21,420 --> 00:08:27,560 reduction was missed. The resulting customer impact and our proposed process for refunding 134 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:34,300 affected customers. So, what happened? We should have like Paul explained we should have accounted 135 00:08:34,300 --> 00:08:41,800 for the JPA fee reduction during the June rate making process. The rates effective July 1 used 136 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:49,640 to that $70,000 per month rather than the final 62,000. We discovered the issue, notified Paul 137 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:59,980 And he said, yep, that's not there, we were asked to provide a refund process for those customers 138 00:08:59,980 --> 00:09:06,200 affected between July 1st and September 30th as we're asking these rates to be changed 139 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:12,340 October 1st. We have developed a refund plan and are prepared to implement that. As a part 140 00:09:12,340 --> 00:09:19,080 of the effort, we also analyzed the affected transactions to better understand the scope and 141 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:26,860 of issue issuing refunds, the July through September, customer impact is approximately $24,000. 142 00:09:28,460 --> 00:09:37,240 That $24,000 is an estimate. To understand what refunding it would actually take, we pulled the transaction detail for July and August. 143 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,040 And that's where the picture gets a little bit more complicated. 144 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:51,540 The initial transaction review identified 6,730 tickets, cash tickets, averaging a refund of about 47 cents. 145 00:09:51,540 --> 00:09:59,860 particular. Our account customers, there are about 48 of them that that refund average is out to be 54. 146 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:08,600 $133, and that's a little bit skewed. So if we remove our two largest billed customers, which are waste management and 147 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,500 sear Pacific, that average refund is about $14.61. 148 00:10:14,220 --> 00:10:20,540 Account customers are, of course, easily identifiable. It's the cash tickets that are a little bit more problematic. 149 00:10:21,180 --> 00:10:28,660 Those generally do not indicate a name or contact information for us to automatically refund customers. 150 00:10:28,660 --> 00:10:30,760 So, here's what we came up with. 151 00:10:32,140 --> 00:10:35,260 So, of course, with our account customers, they're pretty straightforward. 152 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,380 We receive a credit on their bill. 153 00:10:39,420 --> 00:10:42,700 For our cash customers, we would open a 90-day claim period, 154 00:10:43,540 --> 00:10:45,940 where we would advertise this through our social media 155 00:10:46,580 --> 00:10:48,860 and notices on our scale houses. 156 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:52,740 Our mostly our cash customers are repeat customers. 157 00:10:53,820 --> 00:10:56,140 We would ask them to provide a receipt 158 00:10:56,140 --> 00:11:01,580 or enough transaction information for us to be able to locate the ticket and then issue a refund. 159 00:11:02,460 --> 00:11:03,860 So we could track all that activity. 160 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,560 We could report on the final details following the 90 day period. 161 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,660 So that is our proposed refund process. 162 00:11:13,780 --> 00:11:21,760 I'll pause there for any questions that you may have or any edits that you might think are appropriate. 163 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:22,700 Yes, Lou. 164 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:42,120 Yeah, so to answer the first question, after our clothes in July, and we were forecasting 165 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:49,160 for August, this is where it was just part of our financial process where we forecast 166 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,640 for expenses and revenue and so forth, so it was just a conversation between our controller 167 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:02,360 and our team that we, that obviously we know that we're paying less, and that wasn't 168 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,560 That was a reflected in the rates when we made that. 169 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,000 So, secondly, 170 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,060 what was your second question? 171 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:11,960 Sorry, Lou. 172 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,580 Oh, the, yeah. 173 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,320 So, I mean, we could bring this back to you in January. 174 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,260 I did propose some other ideas to Paul, 175 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,760 so that we could capture the full 24,000. 176 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:37,780 But this was what Paul had requested us to do, so we're doing a refund, so we could bring it back to you and say, you know, now what. 177 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:47,760 Yeah, I think that if you can refund your account customers, that's obviously the quickest and easiest way to fix that problem. 178 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:55,900 I guarantee you I probably had two or three trips in there during this time period, but I'm not going to go through the process to get three dollars and 50 cents. 179 00:12:55,900 --> 00:13:17,920 So, my request would be, you know, go forward with the program you have set forth a lot of people to get a refund if they would like one and then whatever money isn't claimed can we put it towards some other program, the tire industry program or something else that the landfills doing or you guys are doing to try to, you know, better the community. 180 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:22,340 Yeah, we can take a look at that. 181 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,560 If you wanted to do a blend of both, we can certainly take a look at that. 182 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:35,940 One of the ideas was, so the total impact, if we were to do this right in the beginning, 183 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:39,280 it's $96,000 over a 12-month period. 184 00:13:40,540 --> 00:13:47,380 So we were my definition of payback, and his definition of payback, or two different things, 185 00:13:47,380 --> 00:13:53,480 which that's fine. So we were, we were lumping that whole effect starting October 1 so that 186 00:13:53,480 --> 00:14:00,540 everybody would see that benefit between October and June of next year, right? So, but you know, 187 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:05,640 I understand that there's people that have been affected who were already at the landfill, 188 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:17,860 so this helps to at least refund. And there's, yeah, there's, we could have cut a check, 189 00:14:17,860 --> 00:14:22,340 Right, it could have gone into your illegal dumping fund. 190 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,120 That was an option. 191 00:14:24,380 --> 00:14:26,860 We're open to whatever works. 192 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:31,060 We understand that it's our error and we need to fix it. 193 00:14:31,460 --> 00:14:35,160 I would think that the vast majority of the people 194 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,300 aren't going to come up with a receipt. 195 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:42,040 I would think it just put the money back into the landfill 196 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,960 and it fits for the legal dumping or whatever program. 197 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,960 And is it refunded your contract to customers, you know which ones those are? 198 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,180 And like Tom says, most people won't even bother with it because they don't have a receipt. 199 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,000 Yeah, even if they get the notification that, hey, you can- 200 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:08,600 Go file refund. I don't think it's worth the time that it's going to take to do all the work for 47 cents. 201 00:15:08,820 --> 00:15:17,960 The average homeowner get a refund to their franchise hollers or that's what I was thinking too, because almost most of these people are probably also going to be customers at their house. 202 00:15:19,860 --> 00:15:25,220 So whenever you all know that whenever these tipping fees change, right, it's a ripple effect. 203 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,280 So the hauling companies rates are going to change too. 204 00:15:30,420 --> 00:15:32,980 It's minimal, but at least it'll be appropriate. 205 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,380 And we can pro-rate it back to July. 206 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,920 He's all occurred at the landfill. 207 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:53,120 So, of course, I could just kind of rate for a day until the fees get paid or so on. 208 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:58,020 And you follow me and just discounted them so that fee refund is met. 209 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,440 If you're bearing in mind together, so they're already going to refund the fees and corporations. 210 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:02,360 Yeah. 211 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,140 Just say, you know, our rates are low until this time of this month. 212 00:16:09,180 --> 00:16:10,480 And you kind of have to really want to take it. 213 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:11,200 Yeah. 214 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,060 That's not a bad idea. 215 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,200 I mean, like you said, once you open the window for the refunds, 216 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:18,860 and everybody has a chance to claim a refund, 217 00:16:19,220 --> 00:16:20,480 whatever money's left over. 218 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:21,440 Don't even tell anybody. 219 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,940 Just have a free dump day without telling anybody. 220 00:16:24,580 --> 00:16:29,120 You know, the first 15 people are free or whatever it is. 221 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,520 Now you all are getting complicated. 222 00:16:33,940 --> 00:16:37,220 Can you see if somebody's, can you see if somebody's on the line? 223 00:16:37,220 --> 00:17:06,680 I asked Dylan, I asked Dylan to, Dylan is our controller and he's on the line, I asked him to listen in, but I, you know, that gets a little problematic because we, we also need to have this benefit reflected on the rates through the rest of the fiscal period, right? So Dylan, are you there? Do you have anything to say? 224 00:17:12,860 --> 00:17:19,400 Hi, my name is Phil and Doyle. I'm the controller for Tema County Landfill and Holland Company. 225 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:25,880 It's kind of backed up into the question. 226 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,540 It sounds like you're asking if we could make the landfill rate effectively through the remaining period. 227 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,840 And then we're discussion discussing the impact to the hauling side. 228 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:53,220 So, it's, it's, we've calculated the pass through the impact would be a native 0.28% adjustment on the hauling side, which we can corroborate, like man said, back through July, and that would be reflected on the next bill cycle. 229 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,020 In terms of the great 230 00:17:59,100 --> 00:17:59,920 change on the, 231 00:18:04,190 --> 00:18:07,050 I was thinking about how it should go, it should align 232 00:18:07,050 --> 00:18:13,300 with the changes to the hauling company, because it kind of moved ahead and so that was 233 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,860 ten, one would be a lot of time for the posting in the newspaper and 234 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:22,710 then. 235 00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:24,830 So I'm going to interrupt you, Dylan. 236 00:18:25,250 --> 00:18:35,050 So the idea was to kind of make a free dump day until we get up to this $24,000, 237 00:18:35,050 --> 00:18:37,230 is the benefit. 238 00:18:40,610 --> 00:18:42,210 Do you have any thoughts on that? 239 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,410 No different than that. Yeah, all the 240 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:55,830 versions of that should have refunded. Yeah, so it would be the difference. Hopefully you would have 241 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:58,070 very much money left in it. It would be the difference. 242 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,680 What does something thinking would that be 243 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,200 equitable though? Yeah. 244 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:16,620 If we did that because you'd have some customers who are benefiting 245 00:19:16,620 --> 00:19:19,560 you're going to allow me to come today, that may not be impacted. 246 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,840 So to answer your question, Pat, 247 00:19:24,780 --> 00:19:28,820 most of the giveback is going to be on the hauling side. 248 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,460 We are our largest customer, and then there's 249 00:19:32,460 --> 00:19:34,240 WeaSmanagement and Sierra Pacific, 250 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:41,020 so really the bulk difference here that you're seeing is the hauling company. 251 00:19:43,380 --> 00:19:46,020 So they're going to see the benefit, you know, regardless. 252 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:53,160 So, but it's just a question of how do we equitably, you know, 253 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,200 equitably, you know, spread it over everybody, 254 00:19:58,260 --> 00:19:58,620 I don't know. 255 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,020 I thought about giving away hot dogs. 256 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:20,840 Thanks for a day, I'll be good. You go to a non-medium. Yeah. So on your, on your count, it wouldn't it be easy. They know exactly what they paid or what you charged them. And you've got to have, you've got to be a different seren. 257 00:20:21,060 --> 00:20:26,760 Yes. So with that, and then the rest of it is your cash customers, right? Is that my. 258 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:33,140 that's the delineation yes so Dylan we talked a little bit about this like if we were 259 00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:41,280 just to credit back our account customers and then you know could we carve out the cash 260 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,800 customer amount for that quarter. 261 00:20:49,150 --> 00:20:51,930 Absolutely we we have the no pay to the car about the 262 00:20:51,930 --> 00:20:54,310 different on between the account and cash. 263 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:04,920 So then you know maybe maybe we give that back to you 264 00:21:07,340 --> 00:21:15,200 I think that'd be the simplest thing to do is give it back to the landfill and they can use it for whatever program or whatever they need it for and. 265 00:21:16,540 --> 00:21:25,540 Yeah, I think if you do your do diligence to post that you're giving refunds anybody that has received or can prove that they came to the landfill. 266 00:21:25,860 --> 00:21:31,720 That's what I think would be the most fair is to offer the refund if they want it and you give them a certain amount of time. 267 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:38,560 You know, you don't give them forever, but then once those unclamed refunds, then certainly we could put it back to the left. 268 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:48,120 I just wouldn't want to take that money before we give it give the opportunity because of the perception of the public that we're then taking more money from them. 269 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:56,660 That was my intention for having them go back to July to start like it should have been and then refund that access, 270 00:21:56,660 --> 00:22:05,460 because that would be the fairest way as opposed to then the agency becoming responsible for that access 24,000 and how we get that back to the community. 271 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,300 I agree with you. I think that public should have a window of time. 272 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:13,260 Absolutely. To put in a claim or however you want to describe that. 273 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,000 It should be open-ended. 274 00:22:16,340 --> 00:22:21,440 As far as receipts go, they track usually by license plate unless they don't have a front plate. 275 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:26,240 So I know there's a lot of white boards, no plate, so as long as you didn't have a white 276 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,820 board with no plate, we could narrow it down. 277 00:22:30,460 --> 00:22:36,940 So if you have a plate number, then you don't need the actual receipt because we have all 278 00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:37,980 the receipts. 279 00:22:38,380 --> 00:22:42,220 Now, you put it in the illegal dumping fund would be a great place for it because I would 280 00:22:42,220 --> 00:22:43,020 agree with that. 281 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:43,340 I would agree with that. 282 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:45,320 We'd be the most appropriate for that. 283 00:22:45,420 --> 00:22:46,400 Because the whole county we've been a foot. 284 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,700 That benefits everybody. 285 00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:48,420 Precisely. 286 00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:50,860 you don't have to let a size of every two people throw on the road? 287 00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:56,580 It gave a hygric ever talk to you about I brought forward the proposal for no dumping 288 00:22:56,580 --> 00:22:58,040 science on our county roads. 289 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,320 So if that's part of your legal funding, then yeah, because we don't really 290 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,260 think that could be utilized for that also. 291 00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:06,280 I see where you're going. 292 00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:10,100 We try to ensure that that fund is used for the actual disposal. 293 00:23:11,460 --> 00:23:16,040 But what I would say is because I did notice we did, we did not spend all of that money 294 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,140 last fiscal year. 295 00:23:17,140 --> 00:23:25,140 So, what I would propose is not right away, but again, at the end of our fiscal year, as we get close, maybe in our April meeting, 296 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:31,680 we can look at our budget and see what's remaining, and if we could put some money towards signage, I could definitely support that with the illegal dumping. 297 00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:40,020 Now, because that's going to help mitigate illegal dumping, just like other enforcement mechanisms, as well. 298 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,260 Okay, so does anybody have any other ideas we have been talked about for a refund in this money? 299 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,880 And I was there a little more for the presentation to go on there. 300 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,880 No, so what we're hearing is refund the account customers, right? 301 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,840 Give the cash customers a 90 day window after that. 302 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:05,380 Then we can provide a report to Paul and we can come back and January and give another update. 303 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,960 And then we will figure out how to cut the rest. 304 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,780 Can we still, do we do need to take a boat to revise the tipping fees today, correct? 305 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,320 Yeah, we do do do do do you don't want to do the last slide? 306 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:19,120 Oh, I did already. 307 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:19,760 Oh, you didn't. 308 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:20,840 I didn't see that. 309 00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:21,380 Oh, cool. 310 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:24,340 Yes. 311 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,220 Please, the eye. 312 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,340 To have boat cast. 313 00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:27,800 All right. 314 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:28,220 Cool. 315 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,840 So yeah, we just need a motion on a second. 316 00:24:30,780 --> 00:24:31,220 Thank you, Amanda. 317 00:24:32,060 --> 00:24:32,240 Okay. 318 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:34,760 All second. 319 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,160 Motion by Director Commence. 320 00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:38,280 Second by Director Burrows. 321 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:57,640 Call the room, raise chair diners, Dr. Hanson, yes, Dr. Gonzales, Dr. Hürton, Dr. Bukke, Dr. Harkens, Dr. Beets, Dr. Klumman, Dr. Jones, Dr. Burroughs, 322 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:57,920 Yes. 323 00:24:58,860 --> 00:24:59,300 Chair Walker? 324 00:24:59,600 --> 00:24:59,700 Yes. 325 00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:08,530 Okay, we'll move on to Adam Main, which is a monthly update. 326 00:25:09,910 --> 00:25:14,870 So these are on here, every meeting, if you have any questions, 327 00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:20,870 comments, suggestions. 328 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,500 We'll save the outreach update and all the other fun stuff for the October meeting. 329 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:35,580 Do you have the, do you have the, yes, GPA, we, we, yes, I saw them. 330 00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:39,140 No, I didn't, let me see. 331 00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:43,000 Oh, yeah, I just had the July, I didn't have the August update done yet. 332 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,000 I will have that next week. 333 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,380 Now that I've gotten everything. 334 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:51,440 Thanks. 335 00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:53,440 Nobody has any other questions for Paul. 336 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,560 We'll go to board matters. 337 00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:02,040 Nobody has any board matters. 338 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,660 Will, uh, I have an item. 339 00:26:04,220 --> 00:26:06,940 I just, I come back and talk to you about those no dumping signs for. 340 00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:09,720 Absolutely. Yeah, just, actually we need an email, 341 00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:11,820 a text if you want to meet out as a LFL, or well, 342 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,260 I would be sent to the board in County Administrator was going 343 00:26:15,260 --> 00:26:17,380 to get a hold of you and find out if there was fun for us. 344 00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:20,020 He did, and that's why I was, I wasn't sure if we could use it, 345 00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:25,640 but now that looking at how much less, how much less we spent last 346 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,860 fiscal year compared to what we had been using that account 347 00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:32,820 pretty much in total, so I was apprehensive when I first got in 348 00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:35,600 those emails, because I didn't know what it was going to look like. 349 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:44,420 Now that I've gotten the budget for the last fiscal year complete, which I'll be presenting in October, you'll see how much access we had in that account. 350 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:51,560 So I'm hopeful that come April of next year if we have a decent amount because science costs a couple hundred dollars. 351 00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:54,540 Well, we can have a decent amount of work to do it. 352 00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:55,680 So we can do it in the house. 353 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,440 It's just a matter of working that out. 354 00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:00,280 So public works makes all of the science for the county to begin with. 355 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:00,660 Perfect. 356 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:04,400 So you can show to them to work with them and they can stay within the county. 357 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:07,500 Excellent, and installation all that's covered by public works. 358 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,400 Yes. Perfect. 359 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:13,160 And so that the whole idea was to have the science say this is your community. Let's keep it clean. 360 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,720 Like the one when you're coming into Red Bull from Proberta, I haven't seen that one. 361 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,060 Yeah, there's one with the one that I encourage people to hate. 362 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,760 You live here. Let's keep it clean. 363 00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:23,760 You're right. There are very many of those. 364 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,200 Yeah. Yeah. I've seen some. 365 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,240 There's a few. I didn't think there were any when Rob first brought it up, but I have seen it. 366 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,240 There are a few. Yeah. 367 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:36,880 I know where they came from, but most municipalities or places you go to, you'll see them 368 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,540 posted in frequent dump sites. 369 00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:45,400 Yeah, there's a turnout somewhere that they find garbage with this illegally dumped, 370 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,240 and you go there to pick it up, that's immediate candidate for a place to put a site. 371 00:27:49,420 --> 00:27:51,800 I think that's the one on Kimball and Red Bluff. 372 00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:53,480 There's one that I used to pass frequently. 373 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:58,980 It referenced the fines, which there should be fines for the county, 374 00:27:58,980 --> 00:28:04,220 correct for dump in. So we could put that if you have a code number or something. 375 00:28:04,660 --> 00:28:09,980 I know they're on Facebook last night I looked in that there was a picture on there. I 376 00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:14,760 think it was in your area down there in Corning where somebody come along and dumped a full 377 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,200 couch sectional set on the side of the road just dumped it out. I mean, you know, it's like 378 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,380 an L shape, so it's a great big unit that's just dumped there. And you know, so we need to encourage 379 00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:28,080 people to keep their eyes open. Hey, this is our community. Let's keep it clean. 380 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:38,580 Yeah, we can do to curb those situations where, you know, some people just dump no matter what other people don't have the money, there's no excuse. 381 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,100 There's ways to make it work without stuff on the side of the reality to a clock in the morning. 382 00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:44,500 Exactly. 383 00:28:48,380 --> 00:28:48,660 Okay. 384 00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:55,780 Yeah, I did. 385 00:28:55,780 --> 00:29:04,240 I just reached out to a resident that had contacted us in public works and code enforcement to get information on that. 386 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:10,960 So I referred them. So we have a program for residents to clean up and bring it to the landfill 387 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,620 and dump it free of charge with the voucher that we provide them. And that same pot of money 388 00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:25,120 also funds public works, road cleanups, the probation, road cleanups as well as in camping cleanups 389 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:31,520 on public property and path the in camping cleanups they do within the city of Redwell. 390 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,680 So if the resident doesn't want to clean it up and bring it to us, then we just have them 391 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,020 or take their information or have them contact public works. 392 00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:46,000 So a lot of times the resident that they'll know the location better and they can describe it better 393 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,990 than playing telephone with public works so they can go out there and get that taken care of. 394 00:29:53,660 --> 00:30:00,000 They would contact us, don't clean it up, don't put it into this happen recently, don't- 395 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,980 Put it in your truck yet. Call us. We have to verify that it's on public property. Now, we have a list. Because there's some roads in the county that are private roads. And unfortunately, then private roads mean private property. I mean, we can't use public funds for private cleanups. So, call us first. We'll verify that it's on public property. Then we can issue the voucher. They can come with the waste and pick up the voucher at the same time. If they're coming on a weekday when the landfill office is open, or we can mail them the voucher, and then they can bring it with them. 396 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,340 when they're dumping the waste at the landfill, 397 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,440 they would give the voucher to the scale house 398 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,540 and they wouldn't be charged. 399 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,100 Yeah, what about when that illegal dumping 400 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:42,880 is that far enough off the roadway 401 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,440 into somebody's private property? 402 00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:50,120 There's other grants for private property cleanups. 403 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,800 They're a little more difficult to apply for. 404 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,740 One of them is specifically for Agzone Land. 405 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,680 We've done at least one of those. 406 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,300 They're very difficult to apply for and be awarded and it needs to be a large amount. 407 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:07,100 So if it's a couple of couches, unfortunately, that grant is not worth and probably wouldn't 408 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:08,340 even pay for that kind of a cleanup. 409 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:15,420 If it's 150 tires, a burnt up mobile home, which was the experience we had on Canterlane 410 00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:23,240 about 12 years ago, that we could apply for, and then it would also fund game cameras. 411 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,540 So the game warden can go out there and check and they've actually cited folks that had 412 00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:33,000 back there to dump. So that was a successful clean up with that grant. But I have to be a large amount. 413 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,120 I did, I'm going to look into some other options for grants to see what's available because they saw. 414 00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:45,660 Buick County is doing a code enforcement cleanup that they got a grant from, but it didn't 415 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:50,700 see where the grant came from. So yeah, so I'd like to see where that grant money came from. 416 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,180 And if that's something we could have taken to ban a job or a code enforcement could. 417 00:31:54,180 --> 00:32:04,340 You know, there's a lot of this stuff that gets dumped in these orchards, just dumped off the roadway and the property lines here, and then everybody says no, we can't do anything about it's landowner responsibility and that. 418 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:13,220 And we have to be careful, you know, with public money, but there are occasionally some opportunities. 419 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,020 So if you know some properties, I think you counted it and I've reached out to their public works again. 420 00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:23,180 They had used the grant from Calversycle for the 421 00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:30,100 Air Zone illegal dumping in a unique way where they were maybe able to do a few properties under that. 422 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,100 So I could look into some examples there and see if that's possible with a future grant application. 423 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,440 If we have multiple eggs on properties. 424 00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:39,540 Basically the landowners are just cleaning it up. 425 00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:47,520 If it's small amounts, unfortunately, that would probably be the best option because then it's going to prevent future illegal dumping. 426 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,160 Once you have a couch out there, they tend to multiply. 427 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,860 The only other example, we had another property, 428 00:32:57,180 --> 00:33:00,980 a vision game came to us about, 429 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,420 unfortunately because the property owners were out of state. 430 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,060 It was very difficult to get affidavits and other documents 431 00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:09,780 back from them in a timely manner to apply for the grant. 432 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,860 So sometimes that inhibits it. 433 00:33:12,260 --> 00:33:15,880 But in circumstances where you know the property owner and it's easier than that would make 434 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,140 our job a lot easier to apply for those. 435 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:25,160 Yeah, so I'll look at the other illegal dumping grants to that might be available. 436 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,380 See if I could bring something back Rocktober. 437 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,900 So anybody else have any more board matters? 438 00:33:33,540 --> 00:33:33,800 Okay. 439 00:33:33,860 --> 00:33:36,980 Seeing none, I will adjourn the meeting at 403 p.m.