1 00:00:05,359 --> 00:00:09,280 Public meetings act 1975 chapter 231. 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,800 The nose requirements have been 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,480 satisfied. The meeting dates for the new 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,719 year are confirmed at the annual meeting 5 00:00:14,719 --> 00:00:16,640 are posted on the both on the public 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,000 voting board in the lobby of the 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,920 municipal center and published in the 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,680 record within the first 10 days of the 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,600 new year. Salute to the flag. 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,920 >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,239 United States of America to the stands. 12 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:35,440 One nation under God, indivisible, with 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,709 liberty and justice for all. 14 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:42,239 We have a roll call, please. 15 00:00:42,239 --> 00:00:44,559 >> Yes, Mayor. Councilman Corsair 16 00:00:44,559 --> 00:00:45,200 >> here. 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,480 >> Councilman Dayton, 18 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:47,039 >> here. 19 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:48,960 >> Councilman Jackson, 20 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,480 >> here. Councilman President Michaels 21 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:53,680 >> present. 22 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,760 >> Councilman Dr. Okconor 23 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:56,399 >> here. 24 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:57,920 >> Councilman Rogillary 25 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,760 >> here. 26 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,719 >> Mayor Zinna 27 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:02,640 >> here. 28 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:08,560 >> Okay. First item on the agenda is the complete streets update. 29 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,920 >> So yes, Mayor, we have um uh only uh 30 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,159 agenda for introduction is the ordinance 31 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:15,920 uh for the complete and contacts 32 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,280 sensitive streets policy. Um I I as I 33 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:20,560 explained at the last council meeting 34 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,920 and it's in more detail under the 35 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,520 authority and the several um uh on the 36 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,960 ordinance. This basically sets the broad 37 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:35,119 framework of the policy um to uh and by 38 00:01:35,119 --> 00:01:37,840 adopting this policy it will allow us to 39 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,759 be better position for additional grant 40 00:01:39,759 --> 00:01:42,079 funding and other funding opportunities 41 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:44,400 with both federal and state government. 42 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,759 Um if this uh ordinance gets adopted in 43 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:49,119 September, then you would have some 44 00:01:49,119 --> 00:01:51,840 implementing resolutions that would be 45 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,280 uh adopted after this ordinance is 46 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,439 adopted. And it's my understanding that 47 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,479 you're considering a um a complete 48 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:04,240 streets committee that would consist of 49 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,719 major of most of your key department 50 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,119 heads that have uh some responsibility 51 00:02:09,119 --> 00:02:12,400 regarding traffic and in streets and 52 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,840 some public. Sure. 53 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,160 >> And just questions just in in a sense 54 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,120 for me is this is all about pedestrian 55 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,160 safety, vehicular safety, everything. 56 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,599 >> Yeah. It's going to encompass 57 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:30,959 key, pedestrian safety, traffic lights, 58 00:02:30,959 --> 00:02:35,200 but improved vehicle and pedestrian 59 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,710 >> integrate some of all those, right? 60 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,879 » Lauren, oh, you have a question. Sure. 61 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:47,360 Um, so I wanted to talk about the speed hump ordinance 62 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,120 >> and we have two ordinances that we're 63 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,879 looking for. One is an always stop 64 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:52,400 guidance and the other is about speed 65 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,200 humps and when they're appropriate. Um, 66 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,040 and I know we have discussed and I have 67 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,040 been adamantly uh against adding a 68 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,959 significant number of speed humps, but 69 00:03:02,959 --> 00:03:05,040 with this ordinance, this is criteria 70 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,200 that if they don't meet it, they don't 71 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,120 get the speed up. I just want to let the 72 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,400 public know very 73 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,159 >> that's what that's what the goal is. Now 74 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:16,480 in this complete streets ordinance it's there by reference to the 75 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,599 memorandum if in fact the council wishes 76 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:21,120 to 77 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,000 codify the memorandum the 78 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,640 recommendations 79 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:30,959 for either student homes 80 00:03:30,959 --> 00:03:32,560 always. 81 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,319 So my recommendation is that we notify 82 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:36,400 both of them. And what that does is it 83 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,159 gives notice to our residents like if 84 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:40,400 they want to know, hey, am I pulling in 85 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,239 about a speed like a stop sign? Let me 86 00:03:42,239 --> 00:03:44,640 see what the burrow says. Someone in a 87 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,319 burrow is very quickly able to pull this 88 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:48,480 up, reference it, have the rules right 89 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,879 there. And I think that that is a great 90 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:53,200 thing for our residents. 91 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,879 >> Yeah. Just just to be clear though, I 92 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:56,000 mean, I don't think it's something that 93 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,360 someone's going to be able to answer. 94 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,360 It's more of an investigation to see if 95 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,760 the criteria is met. And then the 96 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,439 recommendation would be either a yes or 97 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:05,920 a no based on the criteria. But if not a 98 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:06,959 check the box. 99 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:08,720 >> No 100%. It's not like somebody you can 100 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,480 fill out the DVDW. 101 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,159 >> This would be something that would go, 102 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:13,760 you know, but at least our residents can 103 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,680 reference these regulations. 104 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,280 >> And just because if you satisfy the 105 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:22,390 criteria doesn't mean you are 100% 106 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:22,800 clear. 107 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,120 >> And the opposite is also true. If this 108 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,280 the criteria is not satisfied, that 109 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:28,800 doesn't mean you can't put one in. 110 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,510 >> Correct. I thought that 111 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,440 I mean the way I read it there's a lot 112 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,919 of judgment statements in that too often 113 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:39,600 asked and and we can 114 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,680 >> so it's not 115 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,440 >> well no it's not necessarily always 116 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:44,639 black and white but it's it's a 117 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:46,960 procedure and I think that um John could 118 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,639 probably speak to it quite well what 119 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:50,400 they just went to next to the Smith 120 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,080 school with um painting the roads 121 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,840 different measures to try to slow 122 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:58,160 traffic if things don't work then you 123 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,240 may try the next step. It's not always a 124 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,400 yes or a no right away, but I'll defer 125 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,160 to John. But 126 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,240 >> John Jar, your least favorite traffic 127 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,479 engineer for the moment. I think that 128 00:05:08,479 --> 00:05:10,240 the mayor's what the mayor's saying is 129 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,840 actually correct is that it does go both 130 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:14,160 ways. There is flexibility, but the most 131 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,960 important thing is to follow the rules. 132 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,400 Title 39, it's state of New Jersey and 133 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,560 UTC and it have guidelines. That's what 134 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,400 you're that's what you're saying. We're 135 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,240 going to go by the rules. and here are 136 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,240 the rules and if resident has hey I want 137 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,240 to be on street they can read the rules 138 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,320 and sometimes it might make make them 139 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,919 think that okay I really need to call up 140 00:05:35,919 --> 00:05:37,360 and and get someone to do something or 141 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,560 they might read it and say well I guess 142 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,320 I don't fit into that category all right 143 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,199 so it it it goes both ways some of the 144 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:44,479 actually many of the towns that we've 145 00:05:44,479 --> 00:05:46,000 done this for they have actually posted 146 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,600 the rules on their website so that when 147 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,520 residents want you know ask for that 148 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,600 they they're instructed please first 149 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,440 read this on the website and if you 150 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,479 still think that you know it's 151 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:56,400 appropriate for your street because 152 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,080 again most people really happy you'll 153 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,199 have a speed bump until it's front of 154 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:00,160 their house 155 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,840 >> or they're listening to the numbers, 156 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:03,039 >> right? You know, once it's in front of 157 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:04,720 my house, well, I'm not feeling so good 158 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,800 about it. But the mayor's also right and 159 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,000 that is that, you know, there are 160 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,880 mitigating services sometimes where you, know, for example, by a school is a 161 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,240 place where you don't have to meet all 162 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,080 the criteria. It's by a school. That's 163 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,720 one of the criteria, right? But to the opposite of that, in front of the 164 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,080 ambulance court is not a good place to 165 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:23,280 put a speed bump. 166 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:23,600 >> Sure. 167 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,960 >> Okay. And even though it might meet the 168 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,800 buying criteria or other speeding 169 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,960 criterias, it's not a good place to put 170 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,400 speed. You're not, you know, we're not 171 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,000 going to recommend, you know, so there 172 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,639 is, like the mayor said, go both ways. 173 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:36,160 Is that helpful? 174 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,680 >> It's helpful. 175 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,280 >> We need a consensus to budget. 176 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:44,240 >> I think it's a consensus as the 177 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,400 administrator asked the director to move 178 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,960 forward with drafting. 179 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,919 >> We didn't have an ordinance. Those two 180 00:06:53,919 --> 00:06:56,160 It could also be by resolution. It would 181 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,400 be discussed in the past as well unless 182 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,840 they're on disagree who could do a 183 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:02,160 resolution and it would be adopted and 184 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,599 given many in place and another 185 00:07:03,599 --> 00:07:06,720 resolution that would amend right here. 186 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,960 >> I prefer it to I would like to testify 187 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:11,680 the ordinance. 188 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,960 >> That's fine. How's everybody feel about 189 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,400 that? 190 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,240 >> The drafting process is no different for 191 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,440 me. It's just whether you're going to 192 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,759 have anyone meeting, right? It's not 193 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:24,070 going to make a difference. 194 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:24,960 Okay, 195 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,319 >> one thing. Go ahead. 196 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:28,080 >> Congratulations. 197 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,479 This is a giant step forward in 198 00:07:30,479 --> 00:07:32,160 following the rules and doing what we're 199 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,479 supposed to do and helping us to be less 200 00:07:34,479 --> 00:07:36,800 carentric as many other things are going 201 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,319 to be discussed tonight. 202 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:39,840 Congratulations, council. I think it's a 203 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:40,720 great move. 204 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,840 >> Thank you for all your help with making 205 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,880 it happen. I'll leave it, please. 206 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,919 >> Okay. Electronic sign protocol Route 9W 207 00:07:49,919 --> 00:07:52,160 and East Clinton Avenue. Before we start 208 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,400 with the protocol, I would like to if I 209 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,560 now I'm not sure if anyone else is 210 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:57,759 getting this, but I'm getting some phone 211 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:00,720 calls about complaints about our sign on 212 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,080 NW 213 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,840 >> electrical the electronic sign. I'm 214 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,680 getting opposite. I'm getting crazy. I'm 215 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,160 getting people saying you love the sign. 216 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,080 >> Well, I'm getting that at night that it 217 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,800 is um very blinding when you make the 218 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,879 curve that the louvers are too hot. The 219 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:16,479 lens are too high. It's too bright. It's 220 00:08:16,479 --> 00:08:18,560 blaring. Somebody actually named it. So, 221 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,759 Las Vegas, Lost. I mean, that's, you 222 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:23,440 know, we thought that was kind of funny. 223 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,919 Um, 224 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:27,360 you know, it's not this time, but maybe 225 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,960 the brightness. So, I was wondering if 226 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,919 maybe we can be toned down. 227 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,919 >> I I've I've heard the same complaint. 228 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:38,080 I've not only heard the same complaint. 229 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,919 I've driven home at night. I've taken 230 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,240 that left. We need to tone it down at 231 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,560 night. There should be a warm switch to 232 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:46,240 get the a warm light instead of the 233 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,320 glaring light. It's a very fair comment 234 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,440 >> and I've heard it from a bunch of people 235 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,279 and lived it myself. 236 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:52,640 >> All right, so we'll tone that down a 237 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,640 little bit. All right, but let's get in 238 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,080 touch. I'm sure John 239 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,640 assume that there's some ordinance. How 240 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,480 about we just change the brightness down 241 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,080 a little bit? 242 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,160 >> I think I actually think that's a fair 243 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,600 thing. I think it's 244 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,080 >> all right. So what the protocol now 245 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:10,800 we're going to talk about. 246 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,600 >> So yeah. So, one of the things that that we wanted to do is is still the 247 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,320 last 248 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,560 >> is clean up that intersection so it 249 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,120 doesn't look like used car sales lot or 250 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,680 food um with all the signs that so we 251 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,720 our electronic sign is there. Um I asked 252 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,040 Bob to hold off in issuing permits for 253 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,440 that location. One of the agenda is to 254 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,240 remove that location as a as one of the 255 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,240 four areas for for building signs. And 256 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,160 we have uh initiated a test in our pilot 257 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,080 on putting what would have been one of 258 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,839 those four board signs very much to um 259 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:53,839 to very great um reception. So one also 260 00:09:53,839 --> 00:09:57,440 talk about the JCC event that's coming 261 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,760 up and we put that up in their artwork 262 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,200 colors and all that. They're really 263 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,279 happy with it. I think they're going to 264 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:07,680 fill a couple. 265 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,200 I think I think all those billboard boys 266 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,720 up there should go away. I think that 267 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,040 this year was just and it's fair to 268 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,200 everybody because everybody's in and you 269 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,800 can put your whatever your marketing on. 270 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:19,839 >> No. No. 271 00:10:19,839 --> 00:10:21,279 >> Why not? 272 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:23,839 >> It's all bad. Can I have a conversation? 273 00:10:23,839 --> 00:10:28,079 >> Why you discuss the community events and 274 00:10:28,079 --> 00:10:30,880 nothing more? Because it's a Pandora's 275 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:31,920 box. 276 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,279 >> We already discussed. 277 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,200 >> Yeah. My my point is if we're allowing 278 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,200 billboards, why is that not already a 279 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,200 panel response? 280 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,399 >> It is. So you've regulated the time, 281 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:44,320 place, manner, but not the context, 282 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,440 right? So you set certain locations that 283 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,040 are quote unquote open for that type of 284 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,480 facility. They can only be for a certain 285 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:53,600 amount of time. They're related to 286 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,160 certain events. They're not offsite 287 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,320 marketing. Um we don't allow off signs. 288 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,079 That's the equivalent of billboards and 289 00:11:02,079 --> 00:11:03,680 advert. So, do we want to get rid of all 290 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:05,040 those votes up there and just follow the 291 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:05,279 day? 292 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:07,519 >> I think I No, we agree on this, but we 293 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:08,480 find this conversation. 294 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,320 >> Yeah, we there's no need for more 295 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,320 conversation on the same thing. disagree 296 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,160 that we agreed because I'm adamantly 297 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,200 against removing an open forum for 298 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,680 public speech for political speech or I 299 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:21,360 would like to keep saying as to whether 300 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,279 or not you want to keep that as one of 301 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:25,120 your locations that you know you have an 302 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,880 ordinance that says you have certain 303 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,640 location you will set by resolution 304 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,440 every year locations where these 305 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,279 temporary signs can go and we have a 306 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:35,839 definition for temporary signs what I'm 307 00:11:35,839 --> 00:11:39,040 saying is content but do not move all 308 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,200 content onto your digital 309 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,320 We have a clear um you know 310 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,360 >> community signage, community events, 311 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,360 >> our churches, our JCC, that's our 312 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,519 community and that and that's just to 313 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:51,920 say 314 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:52,560 >> that's okay. 315 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:53,760 >> It's okay. 316 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,760 >> We can be like 317 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,320 so just so just so they say not the 318 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,480 Pandora's box 319 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,480 we are our community nonprofit community 320 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,120 nonprofit. 321 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,519 >> That's what that's 322 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:10,800 on the song. electronic sign. 323 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,360 >> Correct. So it will reduce some clutter 324 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,120 because now like if the school's having 325 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,200 a play, we can have it on our sign. We 326 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,040 don't have to have a separate billboard. 327 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,560 >> So really it's just any temporary 328 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:24,320 signage which at this point I think only 329 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,000 political signs are going to fall into. 330 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,959 >> Y suggestion for that and may I hear you 331 00:12:28,959 --> 00:12:30,320 that it definitely looks 332 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:31,120 >> looks terrible. 333 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,440 >> What if we change the size requirements 334 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,560 of a lab today are smaller? 335 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,079 >> We have five other places. We're good. 336 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:40,079 I'm just saying that but obviously trust 337 00:12:40,079 --> 00:12:42,800 the Ford in in downtown um you know when 338 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,320 you have basketball courts and so 339 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,800 instead of these huge six by you know 340 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,399 eight billboards or whatever the size 341 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:52,639 they are 4 by8 um we do smaller ones 342 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:54,399 that that you can only go up to a 343 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:55,839 certain size. 344 00:12:55,839 --> 00:12:57,279 >> So for the other for the other three 345 00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:59,120 locations I think that's definitely a 346 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,120 worthwhile conversation to have. I would 347 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,560 keep it at this so that it's 348 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:05,680 >> it was a mess. 349 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:07,040 >> Yeah. 350 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,959 >> Even smaller. It's a mess. It's going to 351 00:13:08,959 --> 00:13:10,880 be a me. It was It was a disaster. But 352 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,880 it's an open public. It's a way to 353 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,639 communicate with people and 354 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:18,079 for that 355 00:13:18,079 --> 00:13:21,519 >> I question 356 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:24,079 >> and the last discussion I think you had 357 00:13:24,079 --> 00:13:25,600 the policy 358 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,480 >> the technology of it was whatever was up 359 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,600 at 9w would also be the same thing 360 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,120 that's on the other two. 361 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:33,600 >> Yes. 362 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,240 >> Right. Is that still the case? 363 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,959 >> Yes. So any anything we're putting in 364 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:41,519 that's again the school community events 365 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:44,800 obviously events is going to be on 366 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:45,600 three. 367 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,269 >> Okay. 368 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:52,480 All right. Uh reform of tree 369 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,839 planting ordinance and practices. 370 00:13:55,839 --> 00:13:56,880 >> I'm sorry. 371 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,680 >> I think we decided smaller sizes. Yeah. 372 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:00,320 No, 373 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,680 >> you have to put that on the agenda for a 374 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,120 whole another conversation which we will 375 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,279 do. Let's put that for the other sites. 376 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:13,430 That's fine. 377 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,120 where the new bill was. 378 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,560 >> I'm sorry. 379 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:19,040 >> The one the 380 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:19,600 one. 381 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,040 >> Okay. 382 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,279 >> They just want to pull it out. So, did I 383 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:24,560 pull that resolution when the time 384 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:25,440 comes? 385 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:30,320 >> Thank you. It's 12. It never be. 386 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,959 >> Go ahead. Go ahead. Tree management. 387 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,040 >> Yeah. So on the tree management uh 388 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,839 ordinance practices, I broke you a very 389 00:14:37,839 --> 00:14:41,360 lengthy item along with a draft 390 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,079 ordinance and u and dedication by writer 391 00:14:46,079 --> 00:14:49,120 resolution for new committee and input 392 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,079 and consideration that this is this item 393 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:55,680 is on the agenda for to be considered. 394 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,680 It's not one for introduction. Um, so 395 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,079 you know, I'm going to ask we look at it 396 00:15:02,079 --> 00:15:04,639 and and give some additional feedback so 397 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:07,600 that it can be moved forward the 398 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,160 September 8th committee. Um, in the 399 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,120 interim uh we draft um dedication by 400 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,560 writer resolution. Uh they plan to sell 401 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,079 that to the state just to ask um them to 402 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:24,800 review it for compliance and if they 403 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,800 have any comments or um recommendations 404 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:34,320 that they want it changed so you know we then have resolution in form that 405 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,760 would be approved by the state 406 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:41,040 department to go back and visit that 407 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,440 and that can be sent to this 408 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,680 >> where disability they would not have 409 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,639 gotten from another town or something. 410 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:51,279 >> I do a lot of research. I I intend not 411 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:53,759 to copy just other towns because there's 412 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:58,079 no balancing of other. 413 00:15:58,079 --> 00:16:02,639 >> So yeah, I tend to to cross. 414 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:03,120 Okay. 415 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:08,949 >> You studied under Shakespeare. 416 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:13,279 I I had um I I'll let Warren jump in, 417 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:16,320 but I had given David some thoughts with 418 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,959 like CC Wendy as well. There's some 419 00:16:18,959 --> 00:16:20,720 questions regarding some of the 420 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,959 allowable expenditures. 421 00:16:22,959 --> 00:16:26,000 Um, you know, my concern is that since 422 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,600 it's going to be using tree fund money, 423 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,839 you know, uh, I just want to make sure 424 00:16:31,839 --> 00:16:35,600 that we don't open like to use a 425 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,720 metaphor again that we have some more 426 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,000 expenditures that are not tree funds 427 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,920 expenditure. So I was a little concerned 428 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,240 about there was something about doing 429 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,560 the the man forestry management plan. 430 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,480 You know as I was telling David those I 431 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,199 know those are these costly things these 432 00:16:57,199 --> 00:17:00,000 forestry management plans and unless the 433 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,959 town was compelled to do one for you 434 00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:04,959 know specific reasons like the state say 435 00:17:04,959 --> 00:17:08,079 you need to do a management plan. These 436 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:10,160 are not usually things that we tend to 437 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:16,160 like just do, right? Because um there's some downsides to doing them 438 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,079 too, which I'm not going to get into. 439 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,720 But uh the whole thing is and then some 440 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,880 equipment stuff. I just wanted to make 441 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,000 sure that the pools of money were the 442 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,880 type of things that we don't open up the 443 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,880 tree funds to doing some of the things 444 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,400 that were covered or would be covered 445 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,799 should they ever come up by other 446 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:39,440 sources. And my other concern is again I 447 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,200 said it the first time is that we still 448 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,640 need to hold PSC and GSP to the fire in 449 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,720 the sense that they're the ones who are 450 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,600 supposed to uh maintain the trees around 451 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,320 the power plant and I you know I know we 452 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,160 talked about it reaching out I think it 453 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,400 said six feet. So the PSG is not 454 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,200 responsible to maintain, right? All they 455 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,600 do is come in and cut branches. They'll 456 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,480 trim branches that are within six feet 457 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,080 of our lawn. So what this does is to say 458 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,720 we're going to manage our our trees that 459 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,559 if there's a hazardous tree or dead 460 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:21,200 tree, rather than waiting for it to take 461 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,760 that power, you know, we're gonna we're 462 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,000 gonna responsibly maintain that. 463 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,679 >> Yeah. Um again, uh you know, I I wrote 464 00:18:31,679 --> 00:18:34,480 the feedback basically, but um I had 465 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,960 concerns about a couple of expenditures, 466 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,880 but I didn't I'll let the attorney 467 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,640 >> on that. And it's also important what 468 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,400 the what they can't use for so 469 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,440 resolution, it specifically talks about 470 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,679 what it can be used for. So it can't be 471 00:18:51,679 --> 00:18:54,640 used for just to plum a hole in the DPW 472 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,720 budget. it can't be used to really uh 473 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,720 fund personnel in the budget. I assume I 474 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,039 guess like anything we do no matter 475 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:06,640 where it sits it has to come to the 476 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,750 castle that's the other 477 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:12,720 discretionary body 478 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,160 >> right so even if you uh 479 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,120 >> it'll be in your bill 480 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,640 >> even if you did even if you do this stud 481 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,440 equipment you know that has to initiate 482 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,720 and be controlled here right so uh 483 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,280 you're going to be awarding a contract 484 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,520 or you're going to be authorizing a bid 485 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,880 or you're going to be accepting 486 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,000 rejecting bids. So at every step of that 487 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,840 level, the council has control. 488 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,240 >> Yes. I just again when we're opening up 489 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,280 allowable expenses into something that 490 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,799 we hadn't previously used the fund for, 491 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:49,120 I have concerns. 492 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:50,960 >> No, I understand. I think it's a larger 493 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,600 public safety issue that was trying to 494 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,640 >> So I actually agree with Julie that and 495 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,320 this is a note I wrote that it should be 496 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,480 a separate account that this should be 497 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,960 you know the tree can management or the 498 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,360 you know utility protection zone fund 499 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,520 should be separate than our tree escrow 500 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,320 which is used for our residents and I 501 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,919 have to say the other thing I was very 502 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,440 concerned about is that we are actually 503 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,080 encouraging using the tree esil within 504 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,720 the first 10 ft of into property with 505 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,520 many power lines. So, if this is going 506 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,200 to counteract that and we're going to, 507 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,640 you know, plant a tree and then cut it 508 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,240 back the next year, we should really 509 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,799 think about uh figuring out how to 510 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:30,240 coordinate over those weeks because 511 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:30,960 right now we are 512 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,919 >> I think I can tell you from personal um 513 00:20:33,919 --> 00:20:36,640 discussions as as a resident that that 514 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,880 is something that your tree expert in 515 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,480 town is looking at. um because I 516 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,400 asked if I could get one and I have a 517 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,280 pole right in front of my property 518 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,960 >> potentially create a problem 519 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,679 >> and so um circular indicated that 520 00:20:51,679 --> 00:20:53,520 there's only certain trees that we would 521 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,960 recommend for planting and they're the 522 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,400 ones that don't grow this pole so that 523 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,919 it will impact the poll. So it is 524 00:20:57,919 --> 00:20:59,520 something that he's already looking at. 525 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,600 >> I think Mr. 526 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,830 Right now it's 527 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,440 » $700,000. 528 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,600 >> But that's that's that's a misnomer. A 529 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,919 lot of money is going absolute back to 530 00:21:11,919 --> 00:21:18,070 the to the resident. 531 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,919 So I would like to go ahead 532 00:21:19,919 --> 00:21:21,840 >> again. It is as Julie said, it's a 533 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,600 revolving account where when mitigation 534 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,080 happens, we return to large source of 535 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,799 that account. And so really what's 536 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:32,880 usable at all times is not 700k. It's less. 537 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,480 >> Dave, what's the 538 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,159 >> But 539 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:37,919 before you ask a question in the middle 540 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:39,520 of my question, can I just 541 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:40,480 >> Oh, no. Please go on. 542 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,120 >> I I was just going to say, but I also 543 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,440 don't think that I want to hire outside 544 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,440 companies and pay for them to cut back 545 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,440 our dead branches. Like that is we have 546 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,400 tree poor men. We hire our DPW guys. We 547 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,039 hire our tree guys. We are spending the 548 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:57,679 money currently and one of their tasks 549 00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:00,000 is to cut back dead or dead trees. We 550 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,480 have a tree foreman that inspects. If 551 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,919 there is a dead tree, he's allowed to 552 00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:05,760 remove them. If there's branches in the 553 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,280 way, they're allowed to be, you know, 554 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,919 noticed and RCW does it. So, we're 555 00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:11,840 actually creating an additional expense 556 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,760 for us to do something. We're already 557 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,320 paying a salaried employee to conduct. 558 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,000 Well, that's an operational question of 559 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,200 whether right how many how many hours, 560 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,159 >> but I haven't seen 561 00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:23,360 >> available to actually do that. 562 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,520 >> You didn't see the 300 563 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,280 sc without power for 564 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,120 >> and that was a healthy tree that's split 565 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,520 in half at Dave Johnson. I saw the tree. 566 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,360 I walked over to it. I touched it. He 567 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,039 was still perfectly helping inside. He 568 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:37,120 just got hit by lightning and took down 569 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,640 the power and the stuff I can completely 570 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,039 agree is very hard to anticipate and we 571 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:44,960 need to react. But I'm saying I don't 572 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,760 necessarily 573 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,120 >> I don't think you should react. I think 574 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,039 we should be proactive. We should 575 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:51,520 protect our people. I don't want to 576 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,760 double dip. I don't want to have two pe 577 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,679 two different people in charge of 578 00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:57,760 cutting and tearing for our trees. We 579 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,120 have people outside 580 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,360 >> except we're not double dipping for our 581 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:01,760 trees. 582 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,320 >> It's like any any other thing we do. If 583 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,960 we don't have enough resources or we 584 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,720 have this much work and only this much 585 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,400 resources in a period of time, we use 586 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,480 outside. 587 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,240 >> Yeah. I mean this is what we earn an 588 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,440 assessment 589 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,520 >> again we have someone who assesses we 590 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,240 have tree born who are graduates of 591 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,320 people with degrees the health of trees 592 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,679 >> no one's arguing that 593 00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:25,440 >> so maybe we hire an additional tree 594 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,320 person instead of hiring an entire bid 595 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,240 to go put an outside company 596 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,520 >> that's just a simple economic $1,000 597 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,919 >> yeah I mean that's that's a economic 598 00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:37,440 question of which is 599 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,640 >> I see 12 in here I see an open bid I see 600 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,200 not two 601 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,159 Okay. But again, 602 00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:45,280 >> so to to protect, 603 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,880 >> how many times are we going to do this 604 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,960 versus having someone on staff do the 605 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,600 job that we hired them to do? 606 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,280 >> They they are doing the job of hiring 607 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,799 them to do it. But sometimes if we have 608 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:57,200 more more things to address, then we 609 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,280 need people and work hours. We need to 610 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,080 get help from 611 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,080 >> unfortunately these storms as we're 612 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,280 seeing are happening more often. And 613 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,200 again, if we could spend a little bit of 614 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,039 money to protect our residents, the 615 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:11,200 houses, I'm full protecting our 616 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,159 residents. 617 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:15,440 >> Not for cutting down our tree canopy so 618 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,760 drastically when we are actually trying 619 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,120 to replant most of our tree plant tree 620 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:25,279 so drastically. I don't drastically 621 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:28,159 it's misleading because we don't know 622 00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:29,600 how many trees. Someone's got to go 623 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,919 around and see. I think we're talking we 624 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:34,960 have to look at the one 625 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,159 professional 626 00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:38,640 >> to tell us if we're safe 627 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,840 >> or we're not. 628 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,159 >> We have that person. It is our DW tree 629 00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:44,320 for copy someone with that exact job 630 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,240 description. Make go see if there's 631 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,039 health. Go see if there's 632 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:50,640 >> He's not licensed. 633 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,240 >> We don't have licensed street for right 634 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:52,559 now. 635 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,080 >> He's not lic. And as a matter of fact, 636 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,679 um our former super our former director 637 00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:04,159 is president and he's to do the book. 638 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:05,840 So, it's someone that we're familiar 639 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:06,240 with. 640 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,080 >> And again, I might not be interested in 641 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,679 private, 642 00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:12,000 >> you know, to me like again, my my topic 643 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,159 was it's it's definitely I support 644 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:18,000 everything to protect the citizens. I 645 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,240 I'm just also 646 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,600 ensuring that the money is 647 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,159 protected in the sense of I don't want 648 00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:28,159 people to think they're paying for one 649 00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:31,440 thing and then we find out it's not for 650 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,520 the purpose as they thought that it was. 651 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,640 So I have to say your your thing that 652 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,080 you brought out about having two 653 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,840 separate funds, those type of things are 654 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,360 more interesting to me because I believe 655 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:45,440 the transparency that I can tell you for 656 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,000 the pure donation 657 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,559 port is very limited. Most of this is 658 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:54,799 that you're grabbing it from the lack of 659 00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:55,600 mitigation. 660 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,000 >> Yeah. 661 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,200 >> Right. 662 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,760 as we talk. 663 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,559 you try to you need to adjust that 664 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:06,640 somewhat you ask to um so um you know 665 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,279 this is something that uh arguably you 666 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:12,240 control the money uh so it can't be you 667 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,440 know it's not a slush volume that we can 668 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,080 use and say go a lot and hire you want 669 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,120 and do this stuff 670 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:19,520 >> right 671 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,279 >> the control is still here even when an 672 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,200 outside treaty company comes in to 673 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,960 assist 674 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,039 >> so David when you say outside company I 675 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:28,400 mean obviously we don't look at public 676 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,320 business but for you to saying is that 677 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,480 the person who was our tree foreman who 678 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,360 left Tennifly to get a different job in 679 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:38,640 the middle of a very important season um 680 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,960 now wants us to pay him to come back to 681 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,600 assess the trees and he took the job as 682 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,520 the for that has nothing to do with 683 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,360 anything he resigned to get it to get a 684 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,159 different job. 685 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:48,480 >> Okay, 686 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,320 >> we have no there's nothing everyone at this table is at some point 687 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:52,880 in life. 688 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,240 >> He knew then he was walking with his 689 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,640 licensed tree foreman and now he wants 690 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,279 us to pay for that privately. or we 691 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:00,960 could pay a different license. I don't 692 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,720 think that's the issue with 693 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,919 >> just a very 694 00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:08,480 like I I gave the feedback. I just want 695 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,720 to make sure that the funds is, you 696 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,799 know, 697 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,080 clear and that those expenditure. 698 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,559 So, you know, I know we're talk talking 699 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,320 about these things for September 8th. 700 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,240 What about uh Lauren's suggestion about 701 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,960 different demonetation understanding? I 702 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,640 understand what you're saying about most 703 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,600 of the money is coming from un uh 704 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,400 mitigated situations for trees. 705 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,799 How we resolve that? 706 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:39,279 >> Well, I mean 707 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,960 >> I mean just just to actually discuss 708 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,880 I think everyone is aware that we need 709 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,440 to do a new resolution dedication by 710 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,039 trust um a dedication 711 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,679 by writing 712 00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:55,279 proper ways. I'm sorry my brain's not 713 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,000 punching but so no matter what we used 714 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,799 to have a reservation on to now reflect 715 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:02,880 the new free ordinance which is required 716 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,760 by state law right now it's under the 717 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,240 administrative code. So just want to 718 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,480 keep that clear. We can certainly kick 719 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,480 off one way or the other but we do need 720 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,000 to establish a new resolution 721 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,720 to authorize our our tree fund based on 722 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,279 how our ordinance is written which 723 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,039 >> well we did we did that a couple months 724 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,799 ago. We did the ordinance. We have not 725 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:26,159 done the residency. 726 00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:30,000 >> Oh, okay. So, I I would like to request 727 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,799 that the DPW I'd like to speak with our 728 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,399 DPW and our food group and see if I'd 729 00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:38,159 like them to weigh in on this to see 730 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:40,960 what kind of timing and commitment they 731 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,039 have to do this kind of work versus what 732 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:47,669 if they think they need outside. 733 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:50,640 » Yeah, but I haven't on the DPW. 734 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,360 >> You can have a DPW. Thank you. Me too. 735 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,440 That's not what I should do all the four 736 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,559 September. 737 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,279 >> I'd like to talk about staffing and we 738 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,679 need another license. 739 00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:06,000 >> I can tell you that you have one trooper 740 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,960 and if law enforcement is on vacation 741 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,190 sick they don't utilize 742 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,240 three people right 743 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,559 >> and to hire additional people just to do 744 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:20,000 treats. You're talking 745 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,520 forward talking about labor health 746 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,399 benefits. You're talking a commitment of 747 00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:27,919 150,000 hours where you can utilize a 748 00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:30,000 tree contract with the Riverside 749 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,750 Cooperative for a rolloff 750 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,399 » $10,000. 751 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:41,679 Well, they are contract 752 00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:46,310 >> but a lot of times in the storms 753 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:46,880 they fall. 754 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,279 >> Well, this is so this isn't about doing 755 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,200 it. We don't cut trees down during 756 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,440 storms. Nature takes care of that and 757 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,799 takes the trees down and destroys 758 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,039 everything that's bad. But we this sort 759 00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:59,279 of pruning of trees and things like that 760 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,600 would happen in an organized fashion 761 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,520 before and after storms, not you know in 762 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,600 anticipation of storms, not during the 763 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,320 storm, right? Again, this is not to 764 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,640 exceed 70,000 765 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,679 under the sun. 766 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:14,799 >> So So I'm good with any council people 767 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:16,480 speaking to anybody. I just want to make 768 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,720 sure this is on the agenda because I 769 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,120 don't want to delay and protect. 770 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,240 >> Yeah, it'll be on the agenda for the 771 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,720 next meeting. We'll have a deep 772 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600 like in the hurricane. 773 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,679 >> I think it's also important to note the 774 00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:31,360 DN 775 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,760 setting out their MSP storm water 776 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,640 furnacing in the model 3 or specifically 777 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,760 that the fees that are set into the 778 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,640 first one are for city planning and 779 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,320 continued maintenance. All of this is 780 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,360 falling between the regions. I was a 781 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,000 little concerned about the cost of being 782 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,559 of the most 783 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,960 equipment. I don't think we ever bought 784 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:03,750 equipment through preferences 785 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,760 equipment right now. Especially 786 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,399 this part of the satellite 787 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:12,720 just like we do in the old space, right? 788 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,480 You decide what you feel like you want 789 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,320 to put through for a generalization 790 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,480 model. What you put through wanting to 791 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:26,070 trust or devot 792 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,640 we've never like I know like my time on 793 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,039 council like we we kill ourselves to try 794 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,279 to spend a little bit of the money. 795 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:36,000 We've never got anywhere near spending 796 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,159 all the money and sit down. Right. 797 00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:38,720 >> True job. 798 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,320 >> Yeah. The hundreds of thousands of 799 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,000 dollars. 800 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,120 Okay. I still think we should look to 801 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,440 our offerings in house, but we have to 802 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,440 bid this out every single year. 803 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,840 >> If we had the time in house, then it 804 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,960 would be done and it's not. Everyone's 805 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,840 working super hard. The DW was amazing. 806 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,360 So clearly additional help could be 807 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,760 again 808 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,559 >> $17,000 could protect our res. We ready 809 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:07,760 to move on to the next topic? 810 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,760 >> Yes. Good. Rank choice voting. 811 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,080 Counciloman Dave put this on the agenda. 812 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,120 >> I did. So, a member of the TDMC has 813 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,880 actually asked that this be brought to 814 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,000 council. So, I put this on the agenda 815 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,120 and um this is to consider for our 816 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,399 elections. Right now, it's a one vote 817 00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:29,279 option, but rank choice voting is you 818 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,279 have your top choice and your secondary 819 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,120 choice. So, you can rank your candidates 820 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,480 in the order in which you'd want to 821 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,760 succeed. It actually allows for you make 822 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,760 your first choice, you get your second 823 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,360 choice and maybe not support a different 824 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,120 choice that you would want to see 825 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,279 succeed. It actually allows for people 826 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,679 to have more flexibility in voting. Um, 827 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,279 it ensures that the winner has a 828 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:55,120 majority of more residents than less. 829 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,640 Maybe it's someone's second choice. 830 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,399 >> So, does primary voting go away? And 831 00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:00,720 it's just a general election. 832 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,039 >> And it would be the finals legislation 833 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:06,640 does not apply to the governance. 834 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,640 >> It doesn't apply to the finance. 835 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,799 >> Not the legislation that he's referring 836 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,399 to. 837 00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:15,440 >> It hasn't technically shelled yet. Um 838 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,230 the general sent 839 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,399 there is and I also note because I 840 00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:25,200 looked into it. Um there's proposed 841 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,720 legislation coming out of the Senate 842 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,880 which is different than coming from the 843 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,600 Assembly. 844 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,720 >> What's exciting? 845 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,200 >> Um neither one has primaries in it which 846 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,200 quite frankly for 10:00 is when you have 847 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,200 the most opportunity for rank choice 848 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,000 voting. 849 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,320 >> But I would just caution that because 850 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,120 there's conflicting bills proposals 851 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,519 right now coming on two sides. I would 852 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,399 suggest waiting because we're not sure 853 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:51,120 what the process would be if and when it 854 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,200 >> I can't do anything now. as response. 855 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,240 Well, cool. 856 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,559 >> It's a very very interesting concept, 857 00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,480 right? It's all in different places 858 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,760 around the country. 859 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,159 >> Can you get copies of the bills? 860 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:04,159 >> I I did think other municipalities were 861 00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:06,960 putting in rank choice at the municipal 862 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,119 level even before the state bills were 863 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:10,000 passing. 864 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,040 >> How could they do that deal with 865 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,869 both? 866 00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:19,359 » Yeah. So, the municipalities don't set 867 00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:21,760 the ballots, right? It's not on the 868 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,480 county. 869 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,240 >> I think they put it in 870 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:27,280 >> we want we want or we support franchise 871 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:27,839 bill. 872 00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:30,000 >> Yes. There's resolutions that have been 873 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 floating around looking with support 874 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,079 board for it to send to the um 875 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,560 legislature, but they're not actually 876 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,399 able to implement anything until such 877 00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:39,679 time as we go out. 878 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:40,960 >> So, I'm going to make a recommendation 879 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,560 here that we can you distribute the bill 880 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,639 to the council members and then maybe 881 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,240 after we've had a chance to read it and 882 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:54,079 think about it, we consider a uh a uh 883 00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:55,679 resolution to support it to the state 884 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,280 legislature. 885 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,160 Again, I'm happy to have put this before 886 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,680 everybody. 887 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,040 It's not necessarily mind. I think 888 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,280 everyone should look into this and think 889 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,760 about it. Um I'm glad it should be part 890 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,400 of the discussion. I think elections it 891 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,839 does make a lot more flexibility in 892 00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:12,720 elections. 893 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,040 >> Okay. As I understand it, just think 894 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,640 again. There's nothing else to implement 895 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,680 till things get closer. But I would 896 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,240 assume this is when there's lots of 897 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,000 people running. You know, one 10 people 898 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,200 run for mayor of New York. 899 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,560 >> Well, if it's two, then there's no need 900 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,720 the right choice. You need three. You 901 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,880 need three. So, that's my whole point. 902 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,200 We kill our So, having two creates no 903 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,800 value. 904 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,240 So, again, it's kind of 905 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,599 >> look at it. 906 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:45,520 >> It doesn't. No, I wish more people ran 907 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:45,920 here. 908 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,800 >> Mr. President, I think it is looking at 909 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,599 places that have nonpartisan buildings. 910 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,160 So it's open the school board and that 911 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,160 are nonpartisan. They could potentially 912 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,720 incentivize voting. But I think you're 913 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,200 right. I think it's very limited 914 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,880 opportunities 915 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:11,589 different for that council 916 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,119 » question because I have a lot of 917 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:16,400 questions on um our safe streets and our 918 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,800 complete streets. Would it be possible 919 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,359 to ask you the presentation with 920 00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:24,720 breakthrough now before we get into the 921 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,440 admin report and that way we can review 922 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,560 ordinance or do you want to wait till 923 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,040 later? 924 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,560 >> Let's wait too long then. Let me get 925 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,760 because so much of this stuff we'll be 926 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,280 able to dispose 927 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,800 >> trying to get John on earlier. 928 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,950 >> Sean, you don't want to go home anyway. 929 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,240 » Okay, we're going to move to public 930 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:48,950 comment. Sorry. Oh, sorry. No jokes. 931 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,720 So the third truck issue uh is has come 932 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,480 across is that there's somewhat I I'll 933 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,800 refer to it as a loophole um where uh 934 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,040 there's an annual permit that the food 935 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,359 truck can can apply for $100. 936 00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:08,079 And the way it's being uh looked at 937 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,280 right now is that that food truck gets 938 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,520 the permit for 100 hours and then can go 939 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,720 and permanently park it uh for a number 940 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,040 of consecutive days permanently parked 941 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,760 at a location. Uh Bob Burns has uh I 942 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,440 think rightfully uh determined that it's 943 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,520 it would not 944 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,720 come since not classify or qualified as 945 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,920 a permitted excessive abuse. Um on the 946 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,839 other hand you know from the revenue 947 00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:40,400 perspective I always this is that you 948 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,359 know food truck is going to provide adal 949 00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:44,880 taxation opportunities for the 950 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,200 municipality and uh quite frankly if uh 951 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,200 they can 952 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,960 um don't have to dial it in comparison 953 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,119 to what they pay taxes. Um, that being 954 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,160 said, it's my understanding, as goes to 955 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,720 those of you that have been around, 956 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,839 um, that the original legislative intent 957 00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:10,000 of food trucks was to allow for food 958 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,680 trucks to be permitted at special events 959 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,400 and, um, 960 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,960 at a construction zone or an 961 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,240 industrialized zone. um as opposed to 962 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:25,040 just another business zone where we can 963 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,760 fill in the burrow where you know 964 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,280 restaurants are million half mile away 965 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,920 what have you. Uh so Julie looking for 966 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,560 feedback as to whether or not the 967 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,880 burough attorney should be looking to um 968 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,320 take a to to clarify the code intent or 969 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,480 whether the the intent that I stimulated 970 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,359 is actually what the intention was or 971 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:51,920 what the current memory value feelings 972 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,040 intention should be. 973 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,359 >> So I say to ask the question what is the 974 00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:56,880 current what does the governing body 975 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,280 want to do if anything about this? No. 976 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,280 To to explain, we don't want we should 977 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,000 be giving people $100 million worth of 978 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,280 property for $100, 979 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,839 >> right? 980 00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:12,000 >> When we initially passed the food truck 981 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,960 ordinance, a big a big concern was of 982 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,480 course supporting our existing 983 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,800 businesses downtown and not giving them 984 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,560 direct competition. You know, in a 985 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,839 coffee truck for a while that was 986 00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:23,359 directly competing with the coffee 987 00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:26,240 shops. And as much as I like a coffee 988 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,800 truck, I want my businesses to stay open 989 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,680 more. And so I I do agree with David's 990 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,440 point of view. I think that it should 991 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,920 absolutely be limited to the special 992 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,440 events and construction is over, which 993 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,200 is a great time when we get to have 994 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,359 them, but then I'd rather our residents 995 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:48,150 support our downtown. 996 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,200 » Oh gosh. Um, so first of all, that $100 997 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,680 food trick truck permit that is paid for 998 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,839 is there's only a couple of food trucks 999 00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:59,040 that actually see that opportunity. So 1000 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,119 that's just a couple of ice cream trucks 1001 00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:02,880 that we have in town. That's it. our 1002 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,599 special events food truck is a different 1003 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,280 the the current applications that are 1004 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,320 before my office Jen or Councilwoman 1005 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,400 Jackson I'm sorry are um are uh food 1006 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,160 trucks actually food trucks that are 1007 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,160 looking to locate uh along here 1008 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,079 location so one I think is a is 1009 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,960 something and I don't know the other 1010 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,560 nots 1011 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,480 >> I'm sorry I just it's kind of hard to 1012 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,240 understand you from here I wish I was at 1013 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,160 the meeting it would be a lot easier. 1014 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,920 Um, you're saying that it's a Jamaican 1015 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,400 food truck for that specific location. 1016 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,680 >> Yeah, there there are two there are 1017 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,680 actually two food trucks that that have 1018 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,280 applications right now. They're not the 1019 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,640 ice cream trucks 1020 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,720 >> and that right. Okay. So, those people 1021 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,520 want to be more regular food trucks on a 1022 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,440 specific piece of property. Not anywhere 1023 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,880 around town, but they want to be on a 1024 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,240 specific piece of property. Is that 1025 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:55,520 correct? 1026 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,000 >> At this particular point, yes. 1027 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,920 >> Okay. So, um, which is interesting and I 1028 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,200 think that, like you said, it's a 1029 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,280 loophole and we should address that, but 1030 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,000 I think that the current, uh, food truck 1031 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,920 ordinance that we have, this $100 1032 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,200 doesn't also apply to the special event. 1033 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,680 So, just to like decipher that for all 1034 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,000 of us that like we have this ordinance 1035 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,160 that isn't quite the food truck 1036 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,079 ordinance isn't quite applicable to the 1037 00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:27,839 regular use of um, of food trucks in our 1038 00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:30,319 town. So, just to put that out there, I 1039 00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:32,960 think that sure I I I would say that 1040 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,960 personally my opinion is that we could 1041 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,440 invite more restaurant opportunities in 1042 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,119 our town. I'm not against that. I think 1043 00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,440 it's actually we actually need that. I 1044 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,119 wouldn't want to turn it away. I don't 1045 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,760 think that maybe $100 is not the right 1046 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,240 fee for that, but I don't think that 1047 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,560 turning away a potential business owner, 1048 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,880 small business owner who's certainly not 1049 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,400 um 1050 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,680 wellunded, not a corporate. Okay. So, 1051 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,760 anyway, that they shouldn't be spending 1052 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,280 $10,000 1053 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,280 to do business in our town. There should 1054 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,359 be something um in the in the 1055 00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:08,960 intermediate. 1056 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,720 So that's my question. 1057 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,040 >> If you if we wanted to allow the idea of 1058 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,280 a food truck, 1059 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,680 >> if we want to allow an idea of a food 1060 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,960 truck, is there a number that's not $100 1061 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,960 and it more kind of 1062 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,560 >> again this is more of a permit. So like if we want, you know, a 1063 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,800 weekend or a food truck to come, 1064 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,160 >> this has nothing to do with what we're 1065 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,319 talking about. Right. But I'm also 1066 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:36,079 >> So, so the question is if there is a 1067 00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,000 more permanent food truck, 1068 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,280 >> is there a number? 1069 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,800 >> Do we want more? 1070 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,960 per permanent food 1071 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,880 trucks? I think Jenny was saying 1072 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,079 possibly. Yeah, 1073 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,720 >> I'm seeing we have a lot of interest in 1074 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:50,480 food trucks. We have a lot of people 1075 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,800 coming repeatedly to town. And I know 1076 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,720 David didn't wasn't really intending to 1077 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,800 bring this up, but I've been trying to 1078 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,480 talk about this for a while. We have 1079 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,119 people coming on repeat, paying $54 1080 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,920 every time they come. Um, and it this 1081 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,440 $100 permit fee doesn't apply to them. 1082 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,240 Um, and it only is two ice cream trucks 1083 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,680 that are coming to town that are paying 1084 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,760 that. I see it's a loophole we need to 1085 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:14,720 close. 1086 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:20,160 >> And that's Jackson. Just to clarify, the ice cream trucks are not regulated 1087 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,839 under our food truck ordinance. They're 1088 00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:23,760 underwater ordinance. 1089 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,240 >> Then who is? 1090 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:29,839 So presumably these food trucks, they 1091 00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:31,599 have to get licensed before they can 1092 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,440 ever come to one of our special events. 1093 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,520 I'm not sure. 1094 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,319 >> Right. So the the $100 is covering the cost of the fire and health 1095 00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:43,520 inspection and then you know it might be 1096 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,680 $54 for another event when they come 1097 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,839 back just because the the truck has 1098 00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:49,839 moved. I'm not really sure where that is 1099 00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:53,280 coming from, but this is part of being 1100 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,920 allowed to do business. Even at special 1101 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,200 events, you should have a license first. 1102 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,200 >> So, we don't have that's not how we've 1103 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,040 been doing business. I'm regularly 1104 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,960 interacting with these businesses. So, 1105 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,040 just to point that out that there's a 1106 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,960 lot of gray area here clearly now that 1107 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,359 all of this is coming to the table. So, 1108 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:17,440 >> and perhaps the answer is to look at our 1109 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,680 special events permits and only through 1110 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,950 that application. 1111 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,280 » I guess a problem. 1112 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,800 >> Yeah, sorry. Council, 1113 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,800 so are you interested then in having 1114 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,359 some trs sort of like stay for a couple 1115 00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:35,760 weeks in a certain area here? I'm 1116 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,079 interested in 1117 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,160 what I'm interested in is not turning 1118 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,520 away a a business uh who wants to have a 1119 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,319 food truck on their property or turning 1120 00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:47,760 away that food truck that wants to be on 1121 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,280 that business property. How do we allow 1122 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,400 it if we you all agree that that's okay 1123 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,480 to have a food truck there? How do we do 1124 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,319 that in a way that makes sense for the 1125 00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,960 burrow? Okay, that's like in line with 1126 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,240 our with our vision for the town. Cuz 1127 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:03,839 that's what that's what David was 1128 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:05,599 bringing up was like, is this in line 1129 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:08,000 with our master plan? He was questioning 1130 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,240 that it's not and I think that is what 1131 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,160 is in line with our master plan if we 1132 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,839 have more restaurant opportunities in 1133 00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:15,839 the town. That's what I'm saying. 1134 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:18,240 >> So, can I just ask a followup? I mean, 1135 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,000 would you 1136 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,599 >> like do you see a limit on how many 1137 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,839 trucks will allow or do we want a 1138 00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:25,920 limited number? Because, you know, if we 1139 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,960 open this up hypothetically and we get, 1140 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,720 you know, 15 trucks parking and they're 1141 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,319 competing with our downtown businesses 1142 00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:36,560 or blocking businesses or private, you 1143 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,920 know, sports sports areas. I mean, just 1144 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,440 I'm just trying to delve through this. 1145 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,880 So, I want to know what you what you 1146 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,200 >> I listen it just got 1147 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,880 >> I see what you're asking me. It's like 1148 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,560 it just got brought up like two hours 1149 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,319 ago. It just happens to be something 1150 00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:55,920 I've been dealing with for uh years now. 1151 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,920 So, but I didn't have a big vision for 1152 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,040 it. I I I I wouldn't see a problem with 1153 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,079 one food truck being permanently at a a 1154 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,240 business in town because I think that we 1155 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:07,760 have a demand for more food 1156 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,280 opportunities in town. I don't think 1157 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,839 that it's going to take away from our 1158 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:13,920 downtown businesses. Lauren, that's what 1159 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,000 I'm saying. I don't know that there is a 1160 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,680 number necessarily. I don't think we've 1161 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,190 reached capacity. 1162 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,280 Okay. So, do you want to continue this 1163 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,520 conversation offline? 1164 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,640 >> I think this 1165 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:32,069 >> Yeah, I'm fine with that. 1166 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,640 » Yeah, that's okay with me. But David, 1167 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,960 you know, David, I think you you can 1168 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,560 explain a little bit further about why 1169 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,480 that this is a problem. Or maybe that's 1170 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,000 what I couldn't really hear you saying 1171 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,359 and I think that that's important that 1172 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:46,720 we close the loophole like you said. 1173 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,960 But uh other than that, I'm interested 1174 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,760 in in looking at food truck permits like 1175 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,560 as as a separate item because I think it 1176 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,800 brings the up the the problem that we 1177 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,280 already have right now. 1178 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,880 >> Yeah. 1179 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,079 >> I'd like to hear from the chamber 1180 00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:02,960 contest. 1181 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,400 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we want to hear from the 1182 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,319 chamber as well. But the the immediate 1183 00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:09,760 thing is is that um I I support Bob 1184 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,440 Burn's uh uh position as a officer on 1185 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,280 this call that um that uh he would he 1186 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,400 would deny an application because it uh 1187 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,480 it would not be admissible accessible 1188 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,960 use uh and that the zoning code does not 1189 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960 allow for it. 1190 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,720 If we want to uh entertain some kind of 1191 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,000 parameters or bars that would allow for 1192 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,200 selling limited locations or number of 1193 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,000 days, hours, what have you, then I think 1194 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,599 we come back with some of the listening 1195 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,280 team discussion. 1196 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,160 >> Okay. So then essentially maybe we can 1197 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,839 come back to that business. We can say 1198 00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:50,400 that you know we have to we have to 1199 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,200 readress it. we deny this permit but we if they still are interested in the 1200 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,720 opportunity 1201 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,680 you know can we provide that opportunity 1202 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,400 that's my 1203 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,680 >> David's going to come David's going to 1204 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,280 come back with some suggestions and talk 1205 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,319 with the chamber um for the next meeting 1206 00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:07,680 >> okay thank you 1207 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,599 >> from there okay um public comment time 1208 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:15,440 audience member audience members wishing 1209 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,040 to speak will have a threem minute time 1210 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,280 limit to address the governing body on 1211 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,000 items on the agenda Large groups are 1212 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,520 asked to have a spokesperson 1213 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,000 represented. Uh, anyone here in the 1214 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,680 chambers like to speak? Yes, please come 1215 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,079 to the microphone. 1216 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,839 >> My balance isn't so great. 1217 00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:35,359 >> We have to bring the microphone over 1218 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:36,960 here. 1219 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,480 Hold on one second. 1220 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,760 >> My name is Marie. 1221 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,359 >> Okay, hold on one second. 1222 00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:45,040 >> Let me see how we can get the microphone 1223 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:45,839 to you. Otherwise, 1224 00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:47,119 >> you might have to come through. Andrew, 1225 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,359 could you slide in so young to that 1226 00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:51,599 area? 1227 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:58,390 Does it 1228 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:09,829 » come to the front row sit down? 1229 00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:13,510 » Yes. 1230 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,960 » I'd like to address the issue of 1231 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,839 handicapped parking. I've been emailing 1232 00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:20,160 the mayor about this. uh we left 1233 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,160 Oakwood. We're going to speak to some 1234 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,240 department head about it, but uh 1235 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,240 Washington Avenue has no handicap 1236 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,480 parking at all. And I think that that 1237 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,960 would be very advantageous for old 1238 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,520 ladies like me and other handicapped 1239 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,000 people because we shop too. 1240 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,960 >> And I said the only ones are like in the 1241 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,160 post office and at CVS or in by the uh 1242 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,160 in the old high school. That's far from 1243 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:44,640 someone. 1244 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,880 >> So I did speak to the chief chief about 1245 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,319 the old chief about this. Um, and there 1246 00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:51,920 was something he said that he had no 1247 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,079 problem making north handicap in the 1248 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,640 middle, but there has to be a ramp 1249 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,480 leading 1250 00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,839 on the sidewalk. 1251 00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:01,599 >> So, right. 1252 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,680 >> Yeah, you have to cut the Yeah. So, that 1253 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,720 was kind of where we 1254 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,640 >> Okay. Was that going to be something 1255 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,359 coming up soon? 1256 00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:09,040 >> So, now we'll we'll continue the 1257 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,400 conversation. 1258 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,760 >> We have we have the chief of police here 1259 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,280 with us today. Chief, we're gonna put 1260 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,880 you right on the spot. Come on, Mike. 1261 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,760 >> Yeah. Yeah, 1262 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,160 >> this is sharp. 1263 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,040 Don't take like three minutes 1264 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,599 next to each other. 1265 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,640 >> All right, let's do this. So, um, first, 1266 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,760 uh, thank you for coming out and 1267 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,319 speaking to to the council on behalf of 1268 00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:35,040 all handicap folks in town. Um, it is 1269 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,720 absolutely important to us that you guys 1270 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,720 have your space to be able to access 1271 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,640 everything in town. Um, I'm going to 1272 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,200 work with uh Don Nard here to see if 1273 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,720 there's any provisions that we need to 1274 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,119 make sure are appropriate and in line to 1275 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:48,880 make sure we're able to do this. I don't 1276 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,760 see why we can't uh any space downtown 1277 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,119 or adequate number of spaces so that 1278 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,760 we're able to provide that access to our 1279 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,119 residents 100%. 1280 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,440 >> Thank you very much. Yes. I also have a 1281 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,520 problem with the enforcement of certain 1282 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,839 rules and regulations in the town. When 1283 00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:07,839 a tree took down our garage, we didn't 1284 00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:10,960 get a a variance for inches to put back 1285 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,200 our garage. Now I see little houses 1286 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,839 going down and the mansions going up in 1287 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:18,559 their spaces with no backyards and no 1288 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:22,319 sideyards. It's very uh ugly looking and 1289 00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:24,400 I'm just very surprised that Temply 1290 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,920 would allow something like that. It 1291 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,240 seems we had a variance for inches in 1292 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:28,720 our yard. 1293 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,240 >> You on you said 1294 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:33,200 >> yes. I also have a question in regards 1295 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,000 to uh enforcement of trees being cut 1296 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,480 down. We pull out on I told the police 1297 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,119 also on JW Avenue on the corner of 1298 00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:42,960 Clinton. There's some very big 1299 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,280 evergreens and it's very hard to make a 1300 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,119 left-hand turn out there. There's a 1301 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:49,760 slight incline and the cars are upon you 1302 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,640 fast. And I said when I spoke to the 1303 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,800 department uh relaying department, he 1304 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,640 said to me they've already received a 1305 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,880 notification to cut back their trees. I 1306 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,480 understand there's a lot of would be 1307 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,520 very very expensive but it is a 1308 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,040 dangerous situation. 1309 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,040 >> So when you when you're driving on Jew 1310 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,960 left there's a little rise there and 1311 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,839 it's just enough a man was killed 1312 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,720 years years ago. So also I I wanted to 1313 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,160 ask about um lawns and I said we got 1314 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,760 years ago and noticed that our lawn 1315 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,240 needed to be cut. you get a fine, but 1316 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:26,240 there are laws all over town that are up 1317 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,400 to your knees and they're not enforced. 1318 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,240 And there's one place particularly 1319 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,960 that's got hoarding issues. Now, it's 1320 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,880 concerning to think about people like 1321 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,760 that because they really need to be 1322 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,240 addressed by the board of health because 1323 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,000 people need help and they may need some 1324 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,319 social services and it's not fair to 1325 00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:46,160 their neighbors because they pay high 1326 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,640 taxes to have to live like that. So, 1327 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,200 that was another issue. Then uh we had 1328 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,119 tree limbs that went down in the storm. 1329 00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,280 We put ours out. He got another notice 1330 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,119 saying that they were more than three 1331 00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,000 feet and that was our responsibility. I 1332 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,920 called the department uh building 1333 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,559 department. He said, "Oh, I told the DPW 1334 00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,559 about your situation." When I called 1335 00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:08,400 them, the girl said to me, "One, it 1336 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,280 wasn't their job. Two, they did it as a 1337 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,920 favor to the town. And three, they only 1338 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,440 did it for a week." And I said to her, 1339 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,839 "How would I know any of these things? 1340 00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:19,839 What if you're poor? What if you're old? 1341 00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:21,680 She will come out and get it, but our 1342 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,760 landscaper had to come back and get 1343 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,440 them. I also um am missing the um corner 1344 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,079 house by us. Uh I think is a Airbnb and 1345 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,359 I spoke to you told me that on June 4th 1346 00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:37,040 >> because we changed the rules on that. 1347 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,200 >> I know you said in 90 days it's not 1348 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,000 happening. 1349 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,359 >> 30 days. 30 days. 1350 00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:43,520 >> 30. It's not happening. I don't think 30 1351 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,000 days. I'm really surprised at that 1352 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,680 because someone I know in real estate 1353 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,079 said you'd be very surprised that TFly 1354 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:54,640 would allow that. Don't 1355 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,920 >> go 90 days. 1356 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,599 >> No, 30 days is allowed. 1357 00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:58,640 >> 30 days minimum. 1358 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,200 >> Yeah, I'm surprised. She said she'd be 1359 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,040 surprised that it shouldn't been 90 1360 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,839 days. They they're doing it by weeks. 1361 00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:07,119 >> Yeah. 1362 00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,079 >> I have personally checked that one. It's 1363 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,720 really um you know oversees it. 1364 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,040 >> So both David the administrator and I go 1365 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,480 on periodically check Airbnb and the RBO 1366 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,119 to see what's listed and they don't like 1367 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:21,520 it. 1368 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,079 >> They're not they're not posted for less 1369 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:25,520 than 30 days. Okay. 1370 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,200 >> If they're making side deals, we're not 1371 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,880 over 1372 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,720 90 days and that is much more annual to 1373 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,069 other. 1374 00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:37,920 So, the state board doesn't allow us to 1375 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,400 be with it till more than 30 days. 1376 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,240 >> Okay. We're no longer getting the Friday 1377 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:43,359 halls from the mayor. 1378 00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:45,520 >> We are. You must not be signed up for 1379 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,800 it, but they're going out. 1380 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:47,440 >> Oh, we 1381 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,079 >> they are. 1382 00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:49,520 >> We always got them and then all of a 1383 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:50,720 sudden they just stopped. 1384 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:52,079 >> Yeah. I don't know why that's going on, 1385 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:53,920 but it's been going on every Friday at 1386 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:54,480 4:00. 1387 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,880 >> I said, "No, I can just speak to that." 1388 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,079 So, we're right now still investigating 1389 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,079 when we transferred over from our old 1390 00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:04,800 system. We have a pocket of individuals 1391 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,559 that have signed up that are not getting 1392 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:09,040 those notifications where we've made the 1393 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,480 company aware of it. We're trying to 1394 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,040 solve that. 1395 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,319 >> Thanks. Because then we would have had 1396 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:14,319 some of those things about the trees at 1397 00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:16,800 the street and the limited time to know 1398 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,760 all that. Also, I wanted to know about 1399 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,800 the police department sitting here. Um 1400 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,800 my assistant woman is scattery. They 1401 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,040 have a thing for uh either handicapped 1402 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,880 or people that live alone. It's like the 1403 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,680 help I'm fallen thing forms that you 1404 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,599 fill out. People know where your keys 1405 00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:36,800 are so that in time of emergency police 1406 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,880 can get in and there is some kind of I 1407 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,839 guess notation that they can to carry on 1408 00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:42,400 them. 1409 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,680 >> So So I'm not made aware of systems that 1410 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,720 are currently to allow 1411 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,880 police. However, in an e situation like 1412 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,960 that, short of calling by by way of 1413 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,599 home, but we do house fees for a great 1414 00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:59,280 many. And beyond that, we have um we 1415 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,440 have provisions in our system to be able 1416 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,520 to take down information and keep that 1417 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,920 just 1418 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,799 because she's 1419 00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:10,400 still like two of us, but there's some 1420 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,119 people that don't just like who knows 1421 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,000 how long it's going to be. 1422 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,359 Also, I've heard 1423 00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:19,280 >> Wait, before you There is something you 1424 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,200 put on your refrigerator. It's a sheet. 1425 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,359 The senior services committee does this. 1426 00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:24,640 >> It's a sheet you put on your 1427 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,799 refrigerator. It is usually bright 1428 00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:27,760 yellow. Yeah. 1429 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,440 >> Um, you keep it on your fridge, on your 1430 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,799 kitchen cabinet or somewhere in your 1431 00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:32,960 kitchen. Police and emergency responders 1432 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,960 know to look for this. It's emergency 1433 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,720 contacts and medical information. 1434 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,720 Anyway, it does exist and I'm sure the 1435 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,760 >> My last my last question to you is I've 1436 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,680 heard from several people that don't 1437 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,520 live in town that the Clinton M is 1438 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,799 planning to build a multi-story hotel 1439 00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:52,640 with some kind of a nightclub or 1440 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,799 something on top of it. Now, I heard 1441 00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:56,880 this from two other people and I would 1442 00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,520 be very distressed to hear that that 1443 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,319 actually happened. 1444 00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:02,319 >> So, if the multi-story part is true, the 1445 00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:05,040 nightclub part is not. There's no 1446 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,079 nightclub. 1447 00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:07,520 They're planning to put a pool wall in 1448 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,160 the roof. 1449 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,359 >> Oh, that's what I heard. 1450 00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:10,960 >> But not a nightclub. 1451 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,319 >> Okay. And we're requiring the pool to be 1452 00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:16,000 screened and um 1453 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,440 >> sound for well, not sound approved, but 1454 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,440 for sound modifications. There'll be 1455 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,160 hours of operation and so it won't be 1456 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,839 something. 1457 00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:28,640 Was there any possible way that the town 1458 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,280 of Tennifly could maintain some of its 1459 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,160 beauty with some of the boxes with 1460 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,319 windows that are going up in this town? 1461 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,079 I said, we're losing the little capes, 1462 00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,839 the beautiful Victorians. I said, uh 1463 00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:43,599 they're all going by the wayside and now 1464 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,400 we have cement blocks. I said, they're 1465 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,720 really quite ugly. And I said, this town 1466 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,799 was always so beautiful. In November, I 1467 00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:52,799 would have lived here 60 years. So, I've 1468 00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:55,440 seen a lot of changes in the town and 1469 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,000 it's not pretty. And I said, I hope the 1470 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,319 Clinton would put something that would 1471 00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:02,960 kind of resemble the bucolic kind of 1472 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,200 look that it had years ago. Maybe I'm 1473 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,799 living in the past, but that's kind of 1474 00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:09,760 the way I feel about 10 fry. I said I 1475 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,200 really don't like to see some of the 1476 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,400 things that are are being built and 1477 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,720 going up with a nice little houses. 1478 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,720 That's all. Thank you for your comments. 1479 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:21,040 Thank you. 1480 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,880 >> Thank you, Gish. Okay. Is there anyone 1481 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,079 else here in the chambers that would 1482 00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:33,349 like to speak? And McKel 1483 00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,880 according to you Andrew McK 1484 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,280 um couple two two things. So first of 1485 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,920 all the uh complete streets policy 1486 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,599 uh wanted to say and fortunately traffic 1487 00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:49,680 engineer took away the upon but 1488 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,280 congratulations. 1489 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,040 We're very proud of you. Uh, it's 1490 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,599 something that the Northern Valley 1491 00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:58,079 Greenway Committee has been talking. 1492 00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,079 We've been talking to a group called 1493 00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:03,119 Bergen County Concrete Streets. That's a 1494 00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:04,880 group that goes around and tries to get 1495 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,760 each other of the towns to pass here a 1496 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,960 ordinance on concrete streets. So, you 1497 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,960 guys saved us from having to bring all 1498 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,400 of them in to talk to you. Um, because 1499 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,400 you took the initiative. David, thank 1500 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,960 you very much for going to a session 1501 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,880 actually following up on it. Um, my 1502 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,559 understanding and again between David 1503 00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:29,280 and John, it's the experts. 1504 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,760 It's not the any exact specific word 1505 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,599 that's in the ordinance that counts, but 1506 00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:36,079 the fact that you have because it opens 1507 00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:39,520 up doors for funding, for policy, for 1508 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,920 being included in county plans, and all 1509 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,880 types of things. I'm way above even me. 1510 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,160 Um, congratulations. I think it's also 1511 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,799 great because it will give you the 1512 00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:53,280 framework to start preparing the town 1513 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,960 for the northern grid uh connectors, 1514 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,400 traffic arrangements, whatever. And if 1515 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,240 you're you're ahead of the other five, 1516 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,200 so we'll take credit and we'll take some 1517 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,920 uh pride in that one. And the other 1518 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,640 thing I wanted to talk about is I don't 1519 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,960 want to talk about that, but the sign on 1520 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,640 9W by Clinton and beautiful sign. Um, I 1521 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,000 also drove by it at night time and maybe 1522 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,599 I'm getting old, but uh, it was just 1523 01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:25,119 blinding, 1524 01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:28,720 incredibly bright. So, I know on my 1525 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,720 apples there is something called the 1526 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,240 night mode where you can reverse the 1527 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,799 colors, the black and white at night. 1528 01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,480 There's all types of things that you 1529 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,559 guys can figure out what works. 1530 01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:41,599 >> We're going to look into it. 1531 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:43,520 >> But definitely look into it. And then as 1532 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,960 far as the messaging, 1533 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,040 and I hate to bring it up because none 1534 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,240 of you seem to like the ability to have 1535 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,760 six messages up on that corner or 20 at 1536 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,280 any one time, but the reality is again, 1537 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,040 there are public communication experts 1538 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,040 here in this room who know more about 1539 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,440 it. But a sign like that rotates through 1540 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,079 a set of messages. 1541 01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,359 If you're driving by it, the chances of 1542 01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:15,440 having enough time to even read one of 1543 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,119 those messages is pretty small because 1544 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:23,040 it goes through one after the other. So 1545 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,240 you may catch one of the 20 messages or 1546 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,119 six or five, whatever that it goes 1547 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:32,720 through over its cycle, but no. But 1548 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,960 that's it. You know, it's an interesting 1549 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,480 I'm going to just throw it out there, 1550 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,440 but it's like one of the mantras in 1551 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,359 terms of billboards 1552 01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:44,319 is seven words or less. Other words, the 1553 01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:46,400 human ability as you're driving by is 1554 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,640 for seven words or less to understand 1555 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,640 it. So, when you have 10 billboards up 1556 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,359 there and you're driving by, the average 1557 01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:55,680 person is only, which is all of us, is 1558 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,359 only grabbing seven words out of the 1559 01:01:57,359 --> 01:01:58,559 whole thing. 1560 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,240 >> I picked the one I want to look at and 1561 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,680 that's what I 1562 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,680 >> absolutely correct. But on this one, 1563 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,799 what I'm concerned is 1564 01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:11,280 that you may catch one of the messages 1565 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,000 as you drive by me, 1566 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,680 >> which is what you do in the billboard. 1567 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,359 Besides, if you're typically driving by 1568 01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:19,040 there like myself, like many people 1569 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:24,000 every day, drive by 501, 502, 449. So on 1570 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,280 different days, you see different 1571 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:26,880 flashing signs. That's all. 1572 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,160 >> It's right, 1573 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,400 >> whatever. But the brightness at night 1574 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,559 time is something I highly recommend. 1575 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:34,559 You guys look good. Thank you. 1576 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,799 >> Thank you. Anyone else here in the 1577 01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:39,520 chamber want to speak? Um, is there 1578 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,920 anyone online who would like to uh be 1579 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,319 heard? Public comment. Anyone raising 1580 01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:45,040 their hand? 1581 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,319 >> I see no hands. Mayor, 1582 01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:49,920 >> no hands. Okay, we're going to uh close 1583 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,319 public comment time then and move on to 1584 01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:54,240 the administrative report. Council 1585 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:55,359 members or questions for the 1586 01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:59,109 administrator? 1587 01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:00,799 really 1588 01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:02,400 obviously committee for complete 1589 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,960 streets. I would like to get out of it. 1590 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,040 >> Yeah, Dave and I both did that in the 1591 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,760 lead and I did follow up a little bit of 1592 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,559 our budget mall and I am definitely 1593 01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:14,240 working 1594 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,720 on that. I have a question about 1595 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,039 May 1596 01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:24,400 in the report. I know this might be a 1597 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,799 question that comes up because you know 1598 01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:29,200 it's in the resolution 1599 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,760 to just tell me if when you want me to 1600 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,839 ask it but um I know now we've uh we're 1601 01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:39,359 going to be awarding tonight a 1602 01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:41,440 we're going to be awarding like 1603 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,160 engineering services tonight. 1604 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,559 >> So two different one is we already 1605 01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,039 authorized the student to like special 1606 01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:53,119 meetings. This is just um codifying the 1607 01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:57,039 actual number. Okay. Um uh so that's not 1608 01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,680 part of the bank scenario like the new 1609 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,240 person rate engineering services and 1610 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,640 specifically uh time towards the bank 1611 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,520 application and John can talk about that 1612 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,599 you know when you know it's ready for 1613 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:15,359 the process take place but it's a um you 1614 01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:18,559 know it's a very involved study 1615 01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,319 basically 1616 01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:23,039 filling um 1617 01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:26,240 the intersections that live traffic 1618 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,200 lights and design so 1619 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,520 we 1620 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,960 can conver 1621 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,559 one 1622 01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:40,000 that was we we didn't get the bids uh 1623 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,920 was that a one we didn't get bids for 1624 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,430 the the amount 1625 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,760 rejected on technicality and the rest of 1626 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,280 the bids the second time were too high 1627 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,319 >> too high was authorized to negotiate a 1628 01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:54,240 contract so we negotiated get them over 1629 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,319 there. Um, right. And you reduce the 1630 01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:01,920 amount by 74,000. 1631 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,000 >> Oh, okay. So, that that's on the 1632 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,039 resolution. 1633 01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:05,920 >> That's correct. 1634 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,960 >> So, my question is about that. is 1635 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,720 explained going to be that that it 1636 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,599 becomes a four-way stop sign in that 1637 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:20,000 area or it will be just two stop signs 1638 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,400 where when a person is coming out of 1639 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,920 what that entrance will be crossont 1640 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,640 I just I just want to know 1641 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,520 >> in fact 1642 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,640 that we chief put in 1643 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,079 >> currently the The plan is that behind is 1644 01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:42,480 where the stop signs be in the street 1645 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,880 farming. Uh the chief raised some 1646 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,880 concerns about you know people trying to 1647 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,190 get out of of 1648 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,359 the study of you start to see whether or 1649 01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:54,960 not 1650 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,960 it's not what the impact that would lead 1651 01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,079 to the disruption of the other. 1652 01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:01,839 >> All right. I mean personally I think 1653 01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:02,960 it's probably going to end up needing a 1654 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,280 light you know that you know because it 1655 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,720 is a high school crazy area 1656 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,880 >> but uh okay so so that's going to be 1657 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,480 looked at. That's what I wanted, you 1658 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,200 know. And I I just want to uh one other 1659 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,200 thing on your end is your administrative 1660 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,480 report was you mentioned about the table 1661 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,880 is now going to Grove Street. So we'll 1662 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,240 be able to have security cameras. I 1663 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,119 wanted to say that Omar uh ordered the 1664 01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:32,240 signs for the little stream flots. So 1665 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,319 the desk or anybody who's interested in 1666 01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:38,319 also um gardening there that we'd have 1667 01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:40,960 the security in case anyone wanted was 1668 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,990 >> actually council lady. 1669 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,720 So, I just was I asked how many were 1670 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,720 being taken because if they're not being 1671 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,240 used, I thought maybe it'd be a good 1672 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,880 idea to offer them up to our restaurants 1673 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,200 so that they might want to grow some of 1674 01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,559 their own herbs and vegetables there. We 1675 01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:02,400 could really be a farm-to-table 1676 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:03,760 community. Um, 1677 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,319 >> that's that sounds really compelling. 1678 01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:08,720 Uh, I think just we were going to do a 1679 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,039 little bit of like a promotion of it 1680 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:12,880 because it the it roll out is a little 1681 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,760 funky. But but I think that's that's 1682 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,000 >> I mean I just want them to be to be used 1683 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,960 to me that space is great. So I want to 1684 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,520 have to be used and if it's first to the 1685 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,000 residents if not let's businesses. 1686 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:26,720 >> Absolutely. 1687 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,799 >> There's people grow their own basil and 1688 01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:31,599 herbs and rosemary and garlic and 1689 01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:34,319 tomatoes and I think it'd be amazing 1690 01:07:34,319 --> 01:07:36,400 market kind of thing here. And now we'll 1691 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,559 have security. 1692 01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:39,839 All right. Thank you. That's a good 1693 01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:40,559 point. 1694 01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:43,520 >> Another question on street. So, you 1695 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,880 know, and this is old. Um, but we had 1696 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,160 initially when we were talking about 1697 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,880 girls street years ago and passed it, 1698 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,720 we're talking about naming the dog park 1699 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,160 after our former mayor. um never 1700 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,359 happened, but uh I believe that our 1701 01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:01,839 former mayor actually was hoping that it 1702 01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:05,440 would supposed to be after Mayor Rosen. 1703 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,520 Um and so I just want to follow up on 1704 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,280 that request 1705 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,440 >> and I know that he's called me. I know 1706 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,760 he wanted to speak with her mayor about 1707 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:14,880 this. Um 1708 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,759 >> I wish we could talk about that all. 1709 01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:19,520 >> So I just wanted to know if it ever went 1710 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,279 to our naming committee, if it's ever 1711 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,480 reviewed. So because our council back 1712 01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:26,960 then had discussed it, it had let the 1713 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,359 mayor outgo mayor at that time know it 1714 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:31,040 was going to be named after him. It was 1715 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,279 told to him. So again, I just don't want 1716 01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:36,000 to leave that game. I believe that prior 1717 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,239 to the renovation, the park had been 1718 01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,600 named previously. Yeah. 1719 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,719 >> So it was the original dog park. It all 1720 01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:47,600 has obviously changed with the 1721 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,199 >> and then we just named it the Gro Street 1722 01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:49,520 Park, 1723 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,839 >> right? I think this the area he would 1724 01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:53,520 like is the dog park. You know, he was 1725 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,359 always seen walking his dogs. It was not 1726 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,440 horrific giving to an outgoing mayor. I 1727 01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:59,520 would like to just follow up and see 1728 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,000 maybe if we can put that honorific back, 1729 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,400 you know. I think 1730 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:10,070 years it was done in his name. 1731 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,319 » I think 1732 01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:14,000 it was 1733 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:14,960 okay. 1734 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,040 >> So I don't remember discussion about 1735 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,279 removing it. So that's why I think it's 1736 01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,839 not going to um I did have another 1737 01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:23,520 question just I wanted to tell the 1738 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,520 public status of the little leaf fields. 1739 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,319 I know construction begins and they're 1740 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,239 waiting on them every day but 1741 01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:35,279 >> Yeah. Yeah. So um the the be offsite by 1742 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:36,400 September the 1st. 1743 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:36,799 >> Okay. 1744 01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:41,359 >> Uh borrowing torrential raintorms. Um so 1745 01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,080 the the contract was is you know under 1746 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,440 contract. So they're taking a little bit 1747 01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:48,239 on the chin. Um they've had to uh 1748 01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:52,080 dewater and remove silks. Um I got a 1749 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,280 hill talks now. Uh so you know they have 1750 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,040 that expense and they're working 1751 01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,600 diligently. I 1752 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,920 was not pleased with some of the 1753 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,960 communication from my OG uh frankly on 1754 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,199 the status of of the project and I spoke 1755 01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:09,360 with the contractor directly uh this 1756 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,679 morning and we were advised that that 1757 01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:14,159 parking lot is needed for school faculty 1758 01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,360 for August 24th and that the school 1759 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,480 opens on August 31st. area they wanted 1760 01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:23,040 to uh certainly be off of that parking 1761 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,280 lot 1762 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,040 if they could be out of the area 1763 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,560 347. 1764 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,560 So that's what we're hoping to see. And 1765 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,239 as you know from the joint committee, we 1766 01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:38,790 obviously 1767 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,239 as you know from the joint committee, 1768 01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:41,920 you know, schools absolutely want their 1769 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:42,960 parking lot done. 1770 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,310 >> Yeah. 1771 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,640 » So I I feel like, you know, we really do 1772 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,800 need to abide by that. 1773 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,560 >> But collective care is underway. 1774 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,800 and um and I've communicated the the 1775 01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,000 status to general cleaning and 1776 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,920 they they have to take a seat there 1777 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,760 which may be done by all 1778 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,320 one more question. Um it's on the 1779 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,320 amphitheater. Um, so I will say, and 1780 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,239 maybe I just don't have it, but I did 1781 01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:15,600 think it was going to be wider and 1782 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,400 lower. And again, I I know I asked this 1783 01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,320 to you last time, but it does seem to be 1784 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,840 higher than the what the spec showed. It 1785 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,960 did show like a wider, lower indicator, 1786 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,719 and I asked last time, is it being built 1787 01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:29,920 to spec? 1788 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,159 >> So it's it's being built to the spec 1789 01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:35,679 that the actual contracting photograph 1790 01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:38,800 that's in it's temporary sign. So we 1791 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,400 stop the 1792 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,800 >> Yes. That's not that's not the design we 1793 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:43,679 ordered. 1794 01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:44,480 >> Yeah. So 1795 01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:46,480 >> a lot of residents ask me about that. 1796 01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:47,840 They see that picture and then they see 1797 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,760 the epid 1798 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,840 is that you can see all our downtown 1799 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,600 business. It doesn't block the running 1800 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,840 of any of our downtown businesses. So we 1801 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,400 have brought down still 1802 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,239 everything on railroad which I think is 1803 01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,000 so important and they were really upset 1804 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,480 when like things do block. 1805 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:06,800 >> Um so I know that is off the top of my 1806 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,760 head. It's 50 ft wide at the widest peak 1807 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:15,270 and then it was 36 ft. 1808 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,400 » Yeah. 506 opening day. 1809 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,880 >> So 1810 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,159 from US Open finals weekend definitely 1811 01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:28,320 which is 1812 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:29,520 12 and 13 1813 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,520 >> subject to the weather. 1814 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,000 >> It keeps raining like it's raining. Um 1815 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,480 uh we're hoping that it will be ready 1816 01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:37,760 for the previous weekend for the 1817 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,040 semifinals uh which is the fifth and 1818 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,159 6th. Um but you know we we are 1819 01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,239 definitely planning to have a grand 1820 01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:50,800 opening card so and so forth will be US 1821 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,390 Sunday the 13. 1822 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:59,040 So we anticipate we hope that uh that 1823 01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,040 the contractor will have progressed far 1824 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:08,070 enough that the community 1825 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,360 that they don't punch this scenario by 1826 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,510 meeting. 1827 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,239 » All right. Uh next item on the agenda is 1828 01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:21,920 correspondence regarding the block party 1829 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,360 on Richard Street. Everybody good with 1830 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:24,640 that? Yes. 1831 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,669 >> Okay. 1832 01:13:29,679 --> 01:13:37,189 Next is 1833 01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:41,520 » Okay. Introduction of ordinance 26-22 1834 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,600 complete streets. Councilwoman Dayton, 1835 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,000 would you like to make a motion, please? 1836 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,159 >> Discuss this. So I I am, you know, 1837 01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:54,239 looking at the $1 million for surveying 1838 01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,120 and and possible I'd like to bring out 1839 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:57,760 discussion. 1840 01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,520 >> That would probably be 1841 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,880 >> Isn't it as part of it? 1842 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,239 >> This is just the 1843 01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:08,400 streets policy 1844 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,360 >> and it says I'm passing the right. 1845 01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,760 >> Yeah. Okay. That's resolution. 1846 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,880 >> And yes, I absolutely want to run. Um, 1847 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,560 so a movement introduced on first 1848 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,199 reading ordinance 26-22 1849 01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:23,040 and set the hearing for September 8th, 1850 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:27,040 2026 at 7:33 a.m. 1851 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,239 >> Have a second, please. 1852 01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:29,440 >> Second. 1853 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:31,360 >> Okay. Kira, can you please read title of 1854 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,000 the ordinance and conduct those votes? 1855 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,840 >> Introduction of ordinance. Ordinance 1856 01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,000 number 26-22, 1857 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,800 an ordinance establishing a complete and 1858 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,199 contextsensitive street policy and 1859 01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:44,880 supplementing the revised general 1860 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,280 ordinance of the Burrow of Tennifly. 1861 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,640 Councilman Corsair, 1862 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:49,360 >> yes. 1863 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,719 >> Councilman Dayton, Councilman Jackson, 1864 01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:54,960 >> yes. 1865 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,719 >> Councilman President Michaels, 1866 01:14:56,719 --> 01:14:57,280 >> yes. 1867 01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,719 >> Councilman Dr. Okconor, 1868 01:14:58,719 --> 01:14:59,360 >> yes. 1869 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,440 >> Councilman Robi, 1870 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:07,830 >> yes. 1871 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,480 In terms of the consent agenda, there's 1872 01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:13,520 two resolutions. 26293, which is the 1873 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,080 traffic engineering study, which we just 1874 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,600 talked about. I did a vote on that 1875 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,640 separately. So, we discussed and then uh 1876 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,600 resolution 26 296 the temporary science 1877 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,400 display 1878 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,800 on that side. I just one question 1879 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,600 was that 294 1880 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,350 street 1881 01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,719 just super quick. Um with the awarding 1882 01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:43,920 of that is that also you had said that 1883 01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,000 the chief was bringing up possible 1884 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,320 concerns about making it like a four-way 1885 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,880 stop sign. Is that like a conclusive 1886 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,679 event or is this like a conversation 1887 01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:56,080 after the 1888 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,400 >> as 1889 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,390 you got the traffic engineer? 1890 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,960 It's my understanding that there is put 1891 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,199 it in place with the two stop signs and 1892 01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:09,840 then do a study to then see if the 1893 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,560 conditions warrant in the stop. 1894 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,640 >> And would that cost me one? 1895 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,750 >> No. 1896 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:18,880 Either way, you're going to do the 1897 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,120 study. So, 1898 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,159 >> well, you know, as long as it's not, you 1899 01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:26,000 know, more money because I do think 1900 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,520 you're probably going to need four. 1901 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,679 >> I mean, and the chief wasn't in here 1902 01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:31,440 when I made that comment, I believe. But 1903 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:33,440 what the chief had expressed in our 1904 01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:37,040 earlier meeting was that uh he made he 1905 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,760 had concerns of Peter left him in terms 1906 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,000 of 1907 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,120 >> Yeah. to kill and if you will always 1908 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,480 stop and wait. 1909 01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,480 >> Okay. You can try. 1910 01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:50,560 >> All right. As long as it's you inclusive 1911 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,600 of this cost. Okay. Thank you. 1912 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,280 >> Okay. 1913 01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,199 I get a motion to approve resolution 1914 01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:00,159 R26-284 1915 01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:08,080 through R26 292 and R26 294 and R2695. 1916 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:09,280 >> Do I have a second? 1917 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,520 >> Second here. Please call the roll. 1918 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:12,719 Councilman Corsair, 1919 01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:13,360 >> yes. 1920 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:14,480 >> Councilman Dayton, 1921 01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:14,960 >> yes. 1922 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,480 >> Councilman Jackson, 1923 01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,239 >> yes. 1924 01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:19,840 >> Councilman President Michaels, 1925 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:20,320 >> yes. 1926 01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:21,600 >> Councilman Dr. Okconor, 1927 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:22,000 >> yes. 1928 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,080 >> Councilman Robi, 1929 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,920 >> yes. 1930 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,199 >> Okay. Resolution Rule 6293. Who has 1931 01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:30,880 questions? Lauren, you have a question? 1932 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,400 >> Do. 1933 01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,080 >> Yeah. John, come to the microphone, 1934 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,640 please. 1935 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,719 So, just so the public understands, this 1936 01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:42,320 is a proposal for a million dollars for 1937 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,360 the review and survey of 14 different 1938 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:46,880 intersections 1939 01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,080 throughout Temply. Um, thank you. First 1940 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,760 of all, thank you for the proposal and 1941 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,239 work to create it. I'm so excited about 1942 01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:56,000 these rates. I mean, I feel like we 1943 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,760 looked at that like a year ago already. 1944 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,360 I'm so excited to get them. Um, but so I 1945 01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,440 wanted to talk about some of the 1946 01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,120 limitations here that things that are 1947 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,600 not included in a million-doll proposal 1948 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,000 and I'm hoping maybe we can include a 1949 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,480 little bit more survey work. One of them 1950 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:15,600 is um an intersection on the on the 1951 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,400 water flow. Is there any way as we look 1952 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,480 at this intersection to see if that 1953 01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:24,640 intersection has flooding issues 1954 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,480 >> on all of them? I'm sorry. All 14 1955 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:28,239 intersections. 1956 01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:31,199 At all 14 signalized intersections, we 1957 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:33,760 are going to upgrade them all to be both 1958 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,560 pedestrian and vehicular appropriate. 1959 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,560 That will include reviewing the drainage 1960 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,400 at every intersection. Now, remember, 1961 01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:41,760 we're doing we're doing the most 1962 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,840 critical places, right? We're doing 14 1963 01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,320 critical locations in town, right? We 1964 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,760 will be looking at everything. The 1965 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,239 sidewalk, the curbs, the gutters, the 1966 01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:52,320 grass, you name it, it's all getting 1967 01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:53,360 done. Right. 1968 01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,120 >> I just didn't see that kind of wording. 1969 01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,880 So 1970 01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:57,840 that that was done. 1971 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,159 >> Good question. No, it doesn't say that 1972 01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:02,480 specific in there. You're spot on. 1973 01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:06,560 >> Um I actually want to talk about um 1974 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,719 excuse me, I know we're not doing, you 1975 01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:10,080 know, traffic counts and that's our 1976 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,040 traffic division with our police and um 1977 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:14,880 I wanted to ask about how much 1978 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,560 coordination you're going to have about, 1979 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,880 you know, prior accidents. Um, 1980 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,640 are you getting the information from our 1981 01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,480 traffic division on count and 1982 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:25,440 intersection? 1983 01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:27,199 >> Your police department is fantastic. 1984 01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:28,640 >> Yeah, they followed it. 1985 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,719 >> Okay. We have we have never been 1986 01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:32,880 disappointed by them and we work very 1987 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,159 closely. We work closely with Chief 1988 01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:36,400 Chamberlain. I'm looking very I've 1989 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,000 already met with the new chief and we're 1990 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,080 looking very forward at the chief's 1991 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,000 office. 1992 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,640 >> How long you send that up? just want to 1993 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,719 be sure, you know, obviously we have 1994 01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:48,320 more intersections where we've had a lot 1995 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:49,760 of fender benders. You know, I'm 1996 01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,520 thinking Angle Flinton, that's a huge 1997 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,840 one. Um where, you know, we have a lot 1998 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,760 of traffic. I just want to make sure 1999 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,120 that as we're looking at that, we're 2000 01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,239 considering all of those. Um the other 2001 01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:04,640 things I want to talk about is um 2002 01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,239 I know this is algebra but as we talk 2003 01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:07,679 about you know free cutting the 2004 01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:09,840 landscaping and the sight lines 2005 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:10,880 >> uh is that something we're going to be 2006 01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,239 looking at about things that would 2007 01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:13,600 improve site 2008 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,520 >> at every one of these 14 intersections 2009 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,040 that will also be reviewed. Trees will 2010 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,199 be trimmed or removed and we're going to 2011 01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:21,040 bring them all up to current standards 2012 01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,120 that big leap forward. 2013 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,280 >> I mean I know you guys are doing that. I 2014 01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,520 just want to make sure my understanding 2015 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,199 of of what's about to occur is is 2016 01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:32,800 >> No, these are good questions and the 2017 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,239 public should be aware of all the 2018 01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:36,560 detail. 2019 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,679 >> Um, and just so the public understands, 2020 01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:41,679 this is an incredible proposal because 2021 01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:43,280 it's a million dollars from the 2022 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,400 intersections. So, it really is $70,000 2023 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,159 approximately per intersection. And 2024 01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:50,880 that's to survey and do all this work is 2025 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,679 an incredible proposal. So, thank you. 2026 01:20:53,679 --> 01:20:56,800 Um, I'm I'm a quick question following 2027 01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,640 up with Councilwoman and Dave. Just 2028 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,520 remind me of something. Do you study 2029 01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,600 when um when you're doing these 2030 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,600 intersections that this results in cars 2031 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,880 then avoiding intersections and then 2032 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,199 going up different roads and how that 2033 01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:14,159 might 2034 01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:16,159 >> that's not that's not part of this this 2035 01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:17,040 project. 2036 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,440 >> Okay. This is 2037 01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:21,360 >> what this is going to do is we're going 2038 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,000 to fix so people will be okay to go to 2039 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,679 the intersection right now. You know, 2040 01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:27,040 we've made some improvements already 2041 01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:28,239 downtown, right? We had some nice 2042 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:29,840 success last year. Everybody forgot 2043 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,000 about that by now. Okay. And you know, 2044 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,080 we did do Easton and Dean and we kind of 2045 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,600 forgot about that now. All right. Now, 2046 01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:36,960 we're going to put the next big bite of 2047 01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,800 the apple when we make the intersections 2048 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,640 where people will pretend less not to 2049 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,120 avoid them. All right. Um Okay. The 2050 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,880 we're going to have a fully coordinated 2051 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,480 intersection program where they're all 2052 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:47,760 going to talk to each other. All right, 2053 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,520 we're going to have them all on call GPS 2054 01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,520 timer. So, I'm be able to organize these 2055 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,040 lights so they can work. And the chief 2056 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,239 and I were actually getting into the 2057 01:21:54,239 --> 01:21:55,840 detail of that today. We have decided 2058 01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,679 how we want the green band to work. We 2059 01:21:57,679 --> 01:21:59,040 want it to be where cars drive along, 2060 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,480 get a green light as they go. We want 2061 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:02,000 them all to turn red at the same time. 2062 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,280 All right. He and I need to figure that 2063 01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:04,480 out and figure out what works best for 2064 01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,320 time to fly. So, the first time we do 2065 01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,000 turn everything on, it might not be the 2066 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,159 way it stays because we may find that a 2067 01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,159 better solution might be in place. Okay. 2068 01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:14,719 But the idea here is we're taking on the 2069 01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:17,040 biggest challenge, the intersections, 2070 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:18,800 right? The parts in between we can take 2071 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,480 care of later. This is the challenge, 2072 01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,320 guys. You guys have taken this on and 2073 01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:23,520 we're going to not just improve it for 2074 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,280 the cars, okay? The cars are very 2075 01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,280 important, but we focus too much on the 2076 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,600 cars over our entire lifetimes. It is 2077 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,920 time to get less carcentric. Let's look 2078 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,520 at the pedestrians. Let's look at the 2079 01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,360 other users of the intersection and 2080 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,760 let's make it unifiedly safe and usable 2081 01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,000 for everybody. And that's what the focus 2082 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,600 of this job is to make it good for us 2083 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,960 all and improve everything for everyone. 2084 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,000 So we won't be looking at other you know 2085 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,320 right now it's just this this part. All 2086 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,000 right. And I think in the future there 2087 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,840 you know there may be you may find when 2088 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,360 we get done with this that we're good 2089 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,600 for a while that your lights are 80 2090 01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,000 years old in many cases. They're so old 2091 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,400 that that it's it's amazing. 2092 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:03,440 >> They're experienced. 2093 01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:04,800 >> They're very experienced. They're some 2094 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,320 of the most experienced I've seen in my 2095 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,320 whole career. 2096 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:13,360 and a chief that your past chief and his team including the new chief were 2097 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,040 miracle workers keeping these things 2098 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,679 going. So they all deserve they deserve 2099 01:23:17,679 --> 01:23:19,679 the credit here, not me or or anybody 2100 01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:21,280 else. My goodness, they've done a great 2101 01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:22,639 job. 2102 01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:24,000 >> All right, question. 2103 01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,040 >> You have another question? 2104 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:26,960 >> Just in terms of the um public 2105 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,480 transportation, the buses and the 2106 01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:30,159 coordination of the bus lines, 2107 01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:32,159 >> I assume all of that is going to work as 2108 01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:33,679 well on these intersections. We're 2109 01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:35,280 looking at it. We're going to look at 2110 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,920 commuter traffic, public transportation. 2111 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,120 >> I'm not really sure what the question 2112 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,400 you're asking. I'm sorry. 2113 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,320 >> So, we're adding a lot more public 2114 01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:45,679 transportation. Let's say on County 2115 01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:47,440 Road, right? We're trying to take it off 2116 01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:48,639 of some of the side streets. We've 2117 01:23:48,639 --> 01:23:51,440 closed Higher Center down. So, the buses 2118 01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:54,800 are now um county and you know, they're 2119 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,120 turning down to Dean. So I I just want 2120 01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:58,400 to make sure that as we look at these 2121 01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,360 intersections, we're incorporating 2122 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,360 a look for public transportation for the 2123 01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,520 commuters, for the timing. You know, if 2124 01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,600 the bus turns, it takes a whole light, 2125 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:08,639 for example. 2126 01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:10,080 >> The mere nature of these improvements 2127 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:15,280 are going to improve the experience for not just um our our our automobile 2128 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:16,880 drivers and and pedestrians, but also 2129 01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:18,800 the bus drivers as well. I mean, the bus 2130 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,719 drivers certainly can anticipate they'll 2131 01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:21,920 be able to get through town a little bit 2132 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,629 more efficiently. 2133 01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:28,400 Okay, any more questions in this 2134 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,000 resolution? 2135 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,760 All right. Can I get a motion to approve 2136 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,080 resolution R26-293, 2137 01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:34,719 please? 2138 01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:35,280 >> So move. 2139 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:36,639 >> Can I get a second? 2140 01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:37,520 >> Second. 2141 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,920 >> Uh, please call. 2142 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,040 >> Councilman Corsair. 2143 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:41,760 >> Yes. 2144 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,520 >> Councilman Dayton. Councilman Jackson. 2145 01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:47,040 >> Yes. 2146 01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,639 >> Councilman President Michaels. 2147 01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:49,440 >> Yes. 2148 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:50,880 >> Councilman Dr. Okconor. 2149 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:51,360 >> Yes. 2150 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,360 >> Councilman Rogilleri. 2151 01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,320 Yes. 2152 01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,320 >> I get a motion to approve resolution 2153 01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:03,110 R26-296. 2154 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:04,000 » I get a second. 2155 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,199 >> Second. 2156 01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:06,639 >> Call the roll, please. 2157 01:25:06,639 --> 01:25:07,840 >> Councilman Corsair, 2158 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:08,480 >> yes. 2159 01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,120 >> Councilman Dayton, 2160 01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,719 >> Councilman Jackson, 2161 01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:14,320 >> yes. 2162 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:15,760 >> Councilman President Michaels, 2163 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:16,639 >> yes. 2164 01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:19,520 >> Councilman Dr. Okconor, no. 2165 01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,040 >> Councilman Rogaryi, 2166 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,470 >> yes. 2167 01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:27,199 Okay. Minutes to be approved. Can I get 2168 01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:29,280 a motion to approve the minutes of May 2169 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:34,000 19th, 2026, June 30th, 2026, and July 2170 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,159 13, 2026? 2171 01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:43,030 >> Ma'am, we do July 13th separate. We f 2172 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,880 July 13 separately doesn't have a 2173 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:45,280 meeting. 2174 01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,760 >> Sure. We get a motion to approve May 19, 2175 01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:52,000 2026 and June 30th, 2026. So have a 2176 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,239 second. All in favor? 2177 01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:56,159 >> Any opposed? 2178 01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:59,600 Okay. A motion to approve July 13, 2026 2179 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,480 minutes. 2180 01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:03,679 >> Second. 2181 01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:05,040 >> All in favor? 2182 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,280 >> Any opposed? 2183 01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,360 Okay. Committee reports. Counciloman Dr. 2184 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:10,400 Okconor. 2185 01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,360 >> Yes. Just last one, the new resident 2186 01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:17,120 event is going to be on September 9th. 2187 01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,080 Uh there will be new resident event. Uh 2188 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,880 that's that's my report for the new 2189 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,280 regular committee and just to let the 2190 01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,360 police commission chief know um you're 2191 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,239 going to be receiving invite me email 2192 01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:36,070 and of course fire to support. 2193 01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,960 » Okay. Thank you. 2194 01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,840 >> Just want to um announce that we have 2195 01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,920 community night coming up September 2196 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:48,880 15th. one of our best events organized 2197 01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,040 by the town and radical police. It's 2198 01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,600 really an amazing community event and I 2199 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,360 encourage everyone to come. 2200 01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,760 >> Okay. Thank you, Council President 2201 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,199 Michael. Any comments tonight? 2202 01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:02,400 >> Yes, sir. 2203 01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,400 >> Council Dave, 2204 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,120 >> I just wanted to discuss an issue I 2205 01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,000 feel. It's not an issue. Excuse me. But 2206 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,480 just Yeah, I know I I brought this up. 2207 01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:15,120 We've had in in the past couple months a 2208 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,000 lot of subdivisions come before us and 2209 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,000 so I mean David spoke very briefly on 2210 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,480 this is sort of chicken and egg. I would 2211 01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,800 like to actually review the ordinances 2212 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,120 on subdivisions uh with the planning 2213 01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,120 board and with the council. Um it's up 2214 01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,960 to the council which place you'd like me 2215 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,040 to start. So, I can go to the planning 2216 01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,040 board and see if there's any interest in 2217 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,840 amending those rules or working with our 2218 01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,800 city planner, uh, David Novak, to see if 2219 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,280 there's an interest. Um, or we can 2220 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,679 discuss it as a policy initiative here 2221 01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:48,320 and see if you'd want to discuss the 2222 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,159 subdivisions. And what's happening is 2223 01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:52,239 that many applicants are coming before 2224 01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:54,080 the planning board that don't meet the 2225 01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,520 parameters of our ordinances, but we are 2226 01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,560 allowing them to subdivide given uh you 2227 01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,040 know the applicants and 2228 01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,800 the size of the lot. A lot of times it's 2229 01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,920 like an R two R10s but just short of the 2230 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,320 second R10. So a lot of the planning 2231 01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,400 board is saying well it's okay but what 2232 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:12,880 happens 2233 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,080 >> that is the purpose of the planning 2234 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:14,560 board 2235 01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,120 >> of course but as as the neighbors are 2236 01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,199 watching these houses go up and per 2237 01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:21,920 resident you know we are expanding our 2238 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,480 borders and shortening our sideyards and 2239 01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,560 front yards and backyards to accommodate 2240 01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,280 these uh subdivisions that may not meet 2241 01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,440 the code. So the question is are you 2242 01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:33,600 interested in reviewing this as a 2243 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,159 policy? Do we want to make it easier 2244 01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:38,000 harder? We want to see what's happening 2245 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,159 in a pattern of practice here. Um 2246 01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:41,760 because what's happening again like I 2247 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,840 said is planning boards approving things 2248 01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,159 that are 2249 01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:48,480 not meeting code. There's not enough 2250 01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,880 land. And so the surrounding neighbors 2251 01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,400 that we're hearing from surrounding 2252 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,400 neighbors, you know, this house is 2253 01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,920 encroaching my like mayor was not 2254 01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,760 >> but you understand that the entire 2255 01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,280 purpose of the planning goal is to 2256 01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,719 empowering it. 2257 01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:04,719 I I understand that to 2258 01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:06,880 >> I guess your question is what's the goal 2259 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,880 of what we're trying to accomplish. Um, 2260 01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,840 I think that I think that I'd like to 2261 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,000 review why we constantly need to have a 2262 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,040 variance of subdivision and should we be 2263 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,760 changing our our size of lot or 2264 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,840 subdivision? Should it say you must meet 2265 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,360 a minimum of a certain size to R10s for 2266 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,360 example before you know it has to be an 2267 01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,760 R20 size before we can divide to two 2268 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:33,280 R10s instead of like a R15. 2269 01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,440 >> So just a little bit of um ballistics. 2270 01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:41,280 So generally it it is a true like a 2271 01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,600 large deviation it goes to the zoning 2272 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,920 board um not to the planning board. It's 2273 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,679 at the planning board is because it's 2274 01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:51,040 very minor deviations. The zoning board 2275 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:52,800 um 2276 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,159 should be providing an annual report to 2277 01:29:56,159 --> 01:29:58,719 the council of the matters that it 2278 01:29:58,719 --> 01:30:00,960 looked at in years prior to see whether 2279 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:04,560 these kind of um situations keep 2280 01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,320 occurring so that you can reconsider 2281 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,639 what your zoning would be. Um, what I 2282 01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:10,800 would suggest is perhaps to since we're 2283 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,199 already not obvious, if you want to wait 2284 01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:15,520 till November, December for that report 2285 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:16,960 and see what's happening at the zoning 2286 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,560 board level, that might be a great place 2287 01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,600 to start. I'd actually like to see what 2288 01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,360 they are seeing now because what I'm 2289 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,320 seeing sitting on the planning board is 2290 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,120 not minor variances, but actually larger 2291 01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,920 asks for variance that really do deviate 2292 01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,400 from our code. Um, and they're not I 2293 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:35,920 don't see them going to zoning. I see 2294 01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,400 them coming before us. So, Not the oil 2295 01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,040 like the highest oil would been 10%. 2296 01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,159 That's a major 2297 01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:43,920 >> over 20% variances. 2298 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,600 >> It wouldn't be would be at the board of 2299 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,510 adjustability. 2300 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:53,189 » You had 20% 2301 01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,760 variances 2302 01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:56,159 possible 2303 01:30:56,159 --> 01:30:58,320 >> in the setbacks. 2304 01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,159 >> Oh, in terms of the feet maybe perhaps. 2305 01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:00,400 Yes. 2306 01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:01,520 >> Yes. 2307 01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,080 >> And so again the question is it could 2308 01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,080 start on either any of the three boards 2309 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,679 actually is what you said. I could start 2310 01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:10,159 with a discussion of the zoning board 2311 01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:11,840 planning board for this house wouldn't 2312 01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,600 be a discussion with the zoning board. 2313 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,400 Um the zoning board is you know 2314 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,199 autonomous priority they always the 2315 01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:21,360 planning board purpose is to take the 2316 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,120 policies that are enacted by the 2317 01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:24,480 governing body and they're almost like 2318 01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:27,280 it's board you know they it's only here 2319 01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,440 based on what the ordinances say. the 2320 01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:31,760 zoning board has the ability to grant 2321 01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,400 deviations which is why we're saying 2322 01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,800 that to get to the planning board level 2323 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,800 they're have to be within a certain 2324 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,960 percentage anything that exceeds that 2325 01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,679 would be the zoning board um but we're 2326 01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:46,480 seeing there like I said all the all the 2327 01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:47,840 yards all 2328 01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,440 >> the res the residents that are 2329 01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:52,960 residential peers that have been 2330 01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,639 appointed to that that's their job they 2331 01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:57,360 oversee 2332 01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:58,800 >> my question is I could actually start 2333 01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:00,400 that conversation with plenty board or I 2334 01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,239 can start that one here. What I wanted 2335 01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:04,480 to understand is what is the council's 2336 01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:08,320 take on this and see do you want to even 2337 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,639 discuss this as a policy you know do we 2338 01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:13,120 want to continue to allow subdivisions 2339 01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,360 all over even though they don't meet our 2340 01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:19,030 so 2341 01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:22,239 » no this council says we the council 2342 01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:24,480 based on the ordinances and the res that 2343 01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:27,360 we put together that is our view it then 2344 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:33,440 goes to committees of residents that sit on these committees that may 2345 01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:36,639 might make a recommendation to create a 2346 01:32:36,639 --> 01:32:38,560 barrier which again 2347 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,880 >> well they would be approving by resol 2348 01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,280 resolutions or any developments but I 2349 01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,560 guess what I'm not sure similar to city 2350 01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,960 council what the goal would be because 2351 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,880 the only thing we could do at this point 2352 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,920 is potentially to reduce the size of 2353 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,239 what is required for minimum lot area in 2354 01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:58,239 a different zone because if you now make 2355 01:32:58,239 --> 01:32:59,679 it bigger you're going to create a lot 2356 01:32:59,679 --> 01:33:03,360 of pre-existing nonform Those 2357 01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,280 are grandfathered. 2358 01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,360 >> Correct. But that's still going to put 2359 01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,360 So that's more hardship on the residents 2360 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:10,800 who want to do anything that they 2361 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,239 otherwise could have done in the 2362 01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:14,239 property that they're in now that they 2363 01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:17,040 won't be able to do later if the lot 2364 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:18,880 sizes are changed. But again, maybe 2365 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,480 their next door neighbor didn't have the 2366 01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:22,080 right property and still was allowed a 2367 01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,679 variance to subdivide and now is 2368 01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:27,840 encroaching. So they're not because no 2369 01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:29,040 on somebody else's property. 2370 01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:30,960 >> I'm just saying light, air, shadow, 2371 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,280 sunlight, you know, tree lot, etc. 2372 01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,320 generator. 2373 01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,480 >> We're saying we don't want we don't want 2374 01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:38,800 that. So now I think you have to you 2375 01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:43,600 have to have on the planning board. 2376 01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,600 >> I don't see it happen like it's not like 2377 01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,280 an epidemic that's happening all over 2378 01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,679 town once or twice when they come. You 2379 01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:51,440 have to just I think the planning board 2380 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:54,639 has to have a strong you know 2381 01:33:54,639 --> 01:33:56,639 so you know we've had very few 2382 01:33:56,639 --> 01:33:58,880 subdivisions. 2383 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,480 >> Yeah. But a bunch is like there's one on 2384 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:03,040 angle that was one up on the west side 2385 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:08,000 of town near uh near near river and chew 2386 01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,159 lots. 2387 01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:14,000 I mean what's that sweet 2388 01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,159 island? That's a two family zone. 2389 01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:18,400 >> That's a two family zone. That's all 2390 01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:19,520 love. 2391 01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,320 So I don't know what any of us would 2392 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:23,360 want to be different. 2393 01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,120 >> When I when I sit at the planning board 2394 01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:26,880 and I hear discussions, there is a lot 2395 01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,760 of um middle and close. People are not 2396 01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,480 really sure if it's really a very gray 2397 01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:34,239 area where we're deciding some of these 2398 01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:36,560 substitutes, 2399 01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,000 >> right? But I feel like we need to be 2400 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,159 clear and we're saying we don't want to 2401 01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:42,000 go against our code and this is our code 2402 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,760 for a reason. But when you have a 2403 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,840 planning board, wait, I'm speaking like 2404 01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,000 it's not a legal thing. When you have a 2405 01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,560 planning board deciding against your 2406 01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:54,080 code each time, then it's a policy. 2407 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,800 >> Not deciding against the code. Their 2408 01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,440 existence is to grant variances. They 2409 01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:01,679 have no other purpose is to grant 2410 01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:05,510 variances. 2411 01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,679 I have some subdivisions you don't need 2412 01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:10,159 a variance, right? It's right. 2413 01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:14,159 >> It's as of right. So I'm thinking that 2414 01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:16,000 how many TB have you granted? How many 2415 01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,800 variances did you grant subdivision? 2416 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,440 >> I think you did three at the most. 2417 01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:24,880 >> I sure subdivisions. No. 2418 01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,120 >> So I'd be provocative to see if I could 2419 01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,040 speak on behalf of my fellow council 2420 01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:30,960 would say we would love you as our 2421 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,840 representative to speak up and speak 2422 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,239 more influentially to stop it. I think 2423 01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:37,920 the council we don't want these 2424 01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,480 variances. you're our representative on 2425 01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:42,639 account on the planning board. We'd like 2426 01:35:42,639 --> 01:35:44,400 you to be more influential. 2427 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,239 >> So the mayor and I actually both voted 2428 01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:48,960 no to one of them and the rest of vote 2429 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,520 yes. So you know we we are 2430 01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,239 >> well independent. They were going to 2431 01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:56,000 they have they 2432 01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,639 >> they go to their thought process. 2433 01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:01,679 Well, I I have you know just the one 2434 01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:05,199 thing I would just say to your query 2435 01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:08,480 about this as I do think it's important 2436 01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:11,840 for us as a governing body to have 2437 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:13,760 information and to know what's going on 2438 01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,480 in these committees any committees. So 2439 01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:18,960 like I know that we have a separate 2440 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,960 project in environmental commission 2441 01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:25,600 where we've had the DPW report on tree 2442 01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,400 mitigations like how many trees you know 2443 01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,040 year upon year that are you know more 2444 01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,000 coming down and more going up and I've 2445 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,400 always you know at different times in 2446 01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,880 our discussions with my colleagues here 2447 01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,199 I' I like to share that and I kind of 2448 01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:44,800 want to share that. So I I do think it's 2449 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,719 important that all of us kind of know 2450 01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:49,280 what's happening on these committees. So 2451 01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,880 to to that point, if there is some data 2452 01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,280 that we can share or if it's not new, 2453 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,480 maybe it makes more sense to have the 2454 01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:00,560 attorney who's the attorney for the 2455 01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:02,800 zoning for the board of adjustments or 2456 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,000 something just to give us all 2457 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,320 information because I I think that's 2458 01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:07,760 important. 2459 01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,239 >> I do try to support each one. 2460 01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:12,800 >> Yeah, absolutely. Thanks. 2461 01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,600 from a from a like a like a dad like 2462 01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,199 what's happening 2463 01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:20,159 >> trend that's the word because I know I 2464 01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:21,520 can tell you that friends with the trees 2465 01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:22,639 are not right 2466 01:37:22,639 --> 01:37:25,280 >> in this town so that you know I would be 2467 01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,560 curious are are we subdividing our towns 2468 01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,840 more than I'm aware of and I so I don't 2469 01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,639 know what's the best way for you to um 2470 01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:38,159 present that to us or or have that data 2471 01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,239 made maybe by one of our uh 2472 01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:44,719 professionals know, write a book, but reports don't necessarily mean much. 2473 01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:47,760 Like I'm more interested in the in the 2474 01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,360 attorney or someone to like explain what 2475 01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:50,719 we want 2476 01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:52,480 >> and also which trend do we want to go 2477 01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:54,239 forward, right? What's our future look 2478 01:37:54,239 --> 01:37:54,719 like? And 2479 01:37:54,719 --> 01:37:57,679 >> that's our 2480 01:37:57,679 --> 01:37:59,199 experience. 2481 01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:00,639 >> Anything else to report on so we could 2482 01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:02,239 keep moving? 2483 01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:04,400 >> Okay. Councilwoman Jackson, do you have 2484 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,080 anything to add? 2485 01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,400 >> Yes. Yes. 2486 01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,040 >> Hold on. Hold on a second. 2487 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,320 I did. I wanted to actually um I spoke 2488 01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:15,840 with fire department and I spoke with 2489 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,520 David. I wanted everyone to know that we 2490 01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,159 are applying for a grant for our 2491 01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:22,560 firefighter equipment. Um I also spoke 2492 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,199 with Congressman Dohammer's office who 2493 01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:27,360 is going to write a letter in support of 2494 01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,600 our grant application and we've applied 2495 01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,440 for grants for firefighter equipment and 2496 01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:34,000 we've lost on them in the past. um we're 2497 01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,400 losing to all our stress downs and so I 2498 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:41,600 really hope this year it's us and we can get this included in our budget. 2499 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,600 I just want to let everyone be aware. 2500 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:44,960 >> Thank you. 2501 01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,639 >> Councilwoman Jackson. 2502 01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:48,719 >> Yes. Couple of quick updates. Tomorrow 2503 01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:50,880 night um in Higher Park, we have Soul 2504 01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:54,000 Farm coming to play their amazing um 2505 01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,480 Israeli bluegrass band. It brings a big 2506 01:38:56,480 --> 01:38:59,600 audience. So because it's so awesome. Uh 2507 01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,000 next week, August 20th, on Thursday 2508 01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,400 night, we're having the Grateful Dead 2509 01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,920 cover band and uh food and art festival 2510 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,560 to accompany accompany. So would love to 2511 01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:11,920 see you guys out there for that if 2512 01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,320 you're in town. And then October 4th, 2513 01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,719 the fall festival, the applications for 2514 01:39:16,719 --> 01:39:18,719 participation are open. So if you can go 2515 01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:20,480 to the Tennifly Chamber of Commerce 2516 01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:22,960 website, tenniflychamber.org, 2517 01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,760 um you can share that with anyone who's 2518 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,920 interested to apply to participate. 2519 01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,440 Thanks. 2520 01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:32,400 Thank you. Council Councilman Rolieri 2521 01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,480 have anything? 2522 01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:37,360 >> No, sir. No report for you this evening. 2523 01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:40,000 >> Okay. Thank you. Uh council, can you 2524 01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,040 read the close session line please? 2525 01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,760 >> Resolution R26-1097 2526 01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:47,119 at a meeting of the mayor and council of 2527 01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:49,280 the Bifite County Burton State of New 2528 01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:52,320 Jersey held on August 2026. 2529 01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,040 We resolved in the announcement of JSA 2530 01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,000 4-2 the mayor and council testify go to 2531 01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:59,840 post executive session to discuss the 2532 01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:02,480 following matters attorney privilege of 2533 01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:04,400 litigation update and potential 2534 01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,480 litigation real property property 2535 01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:09,040 acquisition will be taken in the meeting 2536 01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,920 to the public and items I need a motion 2537 01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,080 to