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T-2021 at 6 p.m. This is a town hall meeting. And it's the first one we've done in quite some time,

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but I will just need a motion from one of the other commissioners to approve the agenda.

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I move to approve the agenda, as noticed.

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And I will second that. It looks like we don't have commissioner Hennig with us yet, but there's

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two of us here so all in favor just say aye. Aye.

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And we are here to have a grand

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target expansion virtual town hall. I'm gonna have to ask the people in the

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room because you are we're broadcasting so you just have to be quiet so that

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we're not getting any of that background noise into our Zoom.

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So we are here to learn.

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So the primary goal tonight is for the people involved

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in the various aspects of the expansion of Grand Target

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to present to both the Board of County Commissioners

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and the public in order to learn about the complexities of what is approved on the private

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land in the base area and what's being, well what's approved on the public land as well

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currently and what's being proposed in the expansion plan that the Forest Service is

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doing the EIS analysis on now and we will also be learning about the county, Teton

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county Wyoming's involvement as well as Teton County Idaho's involvement. And I just want

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to point out that we will have several opportunities in the future for public comment. And so this

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is not, this is not that opportunity. We're just trying to clarify the complexities of

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the project, the history of Grand Target Resort and what it might look like as we

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move forward. So in order to do that I am going to open it up at the end for

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questions and clarifications from the public as well as the board of county

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commissioners. And that will be done through the question and answer, unless

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you're a county commissioner, the question and answer option in Zoom. So

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So all participants are able to ask a question,

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type a question in, and as a facilitator,

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I will be reviewing those questions

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and asking them to the panelists at the end.

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So hopefully we'll get most of the questions answered,

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but I'm sure we won't get all of them answered.

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for additional questions,

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but more importantly for public comment.

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So the Board of County commissioners

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planning a future town hall where members of the public can come and just

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make their comments to the board on the expansion plan but really just what's

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going on in the county. We want to be a little bit more open and we're

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experimenting with Zoom and it's wonderful that I don't know what we're

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up to now 96 participants so it's a great way to actually involve more

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members of the public in, you know, conducting county business. There's about six people

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in the audience here at the courthouse, but again, there will be opportunities in the

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future to make your opinion heard. So here tonight is just for clarification. Panelists,

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love for you to introduce yourselves and I'll just go in the order of that we'll

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hear be hearing presentations tonight so let's start with Jordy Gillette from

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Grand Target Resort thank thank you all for being here I know it's a busy time

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of year so I want to acknowledge that you've all carved out a big chunk of

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time for us thank you yeah thanks Cindy and thanks everybody for taking

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in time. I'm George Ladd, Shadow Manager, Grand Study.

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Thank you

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so much. Let's hear from Don Dressler and the rest of the Forest Service team who's

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here with us. Thanks again for being here.

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Of course. Good evening. My name's Don Dressler. I am the Interdisciplinary Team Leader for

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the Forest Service Analysis. And I am also the Regional Mountain Resort

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for a program manager for the Rocky Mountain region.

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Thanks.

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And I'm Jay Pence.

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I'm the district ranger for the Forest Service here in Driggs and I'm here to answer questions

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if need be.

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My name is Mel Bowling.

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I'm the Forest Supervisor for the Caribou Targi National Forest and Curlew National

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Grassland.

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For joining us, let's go to Teton County, Wyoming Planning Department.

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Hi, everybody.

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I'm Chris Mulekker.

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I'm the Director of Planning and Building Services for Teton County, Wyoming.

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Good evening.

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I'm Hamilton Smith, a principal planner with excavated planning structures.

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I'm the liaison to our board of county commissioners who are collaborating agency on the ESC process.

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don't you introduce yourself and the other commissioners from Teton County, Idaho.

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Hi, I'm Rob Morin. I am the GIS Manager and Community Projects Coordinator for Teton County, Idaho.

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I'm also the county's representative on the Forest Service Interdisciplinary Team for this project.

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Hi there, I'm Mike Whitfield. I'm a Teton County Commissioner of Teton County, Idaho.

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Now, Bob Manage, I am a county commissioner in Teton County, Idaho.

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Introduce myself at the very beginning, I'm Cindy Regal, Teton County Commissioner,

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and I am currently serving as the chair of the board.

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Let's get started with a presentation from Grand Target Resort General Manager,

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or owner, Jordy Gillette.

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And just so you know, again, I might chime in

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and ask questions for clarification.

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Jordy, if you want to do screen sharing, go for it.

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And thanks for going first.

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That working?

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OK, you got it in slideshow, right?

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Looks great.

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Yeah. All right.

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Hey, Jordy, you are in, we do see the small slides to the left as

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well as the bigger slide to the right.

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Yeah, you could expand the screen if you want to

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just show one slide at a time.

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Did that do it?

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Mm-mm. Yeah. Oh, now it is. Yeah. Okay.

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can tell I do this quite a bit. So I tried to pull together some information

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that I hope will be useful to people that are looking for constructive information and

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and truly are looking for answers to things that are confusing

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or frightening or maybe kind of complex.

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Because we do have a base area that's

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on private land in Teton County, Wyoming

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that has its own master plan with Teton County, Wyoming.

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on forest service lands, and so we have a master development plan on forest service lands.

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And the two plans do consider each other, do take each other into account, but, you know, it's complicated.

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And then we add in another complication of we're in Teton County, Wyoming, and, you know,

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the bulk of our, like, our community is primarily Teton County, Idaho.

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And it's where pretty much all of our workforce lives, a lot of the guests spend money there

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and there's also impacts there. And so it's complicated, and it has been complicated for

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this resort and this valley for a long time. But I'm going to do my best to try to maybe

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Maybe draw some links between a couple of these plans in relative to at least how I'm understanding

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people might be a little bit confused as to what is and isn't in place and how we can

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mass address impacts to Teton Valley. So with that being said, I guess it's kind of weird

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starting here, but I think it's needed because in the next history that I'm going to show

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you, it's comfortable carrying capacity kind of runs through everything. And I think comfortable

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capacity has been, I hope, genuinely misunderstood, not being, you know, intentionally misunderstood.

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But it is not a reflection of this is what a day, an average day, is going to look like

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at Grand Target.

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It's not a reflection of our visitation.

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You have to start with a design parameter, a design capacity, and work back from there

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because, you know, are you building a church for Easter Sunday?

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I mean, you have to pick what you're trying to build it for.

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And like everything with Targi, especially lately, you know, one of the things that we've really focused on and learned after all the madness of 2008 and 12 and really having to go into survival mode that our best plan and our best, you know, what we do best is we're on the ski area.

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And so, comfortable carrying capacity drives all the different planning, capacity needs

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on mountain, off mountain, and it's driven by the mountain, the ski area.

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So I hate, I know that it's not good to read, you know, a big long thing on PowerPoint,

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But I really can't say it any better than this.

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This is from, it's kind of a summary, but this is from our master plan.

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This came, this comes directly from SE Group, so I don't take credit for this.

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It's not unique to us.

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But you see it involves the establishment of a design capacity,

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which represents the daily at one time guest population

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to which everything up here is balanced.

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you know, ski lifts, ski train, guest services, restaurants, building utilities, etc.

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And what it's meant to represent is, like it says here, a pleasant recreational experience.

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Another way of looking at it is what they talk about, you know, like,

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what's your 10th to 20th busiest day of the year look like?

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I kind of look at it like, you know, not, you know, huge awesome powder day, Saturday, sort

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of, you know, like a January Saturday sort of experience up here and then you work back

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from there and you look at trails, you look at type of trails, lifts, bathrooms, food

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and beverage, parking, really everything.

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CCC runs through it.

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So I think it is a good place to start.

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And it's all laid out in detail in our master plan.

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And it's, again, at the core of what we're trying to do here.

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So, again, I started with that because I'm not going through a history.

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is grant

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ID has been intended to be, it never has been intended to be like a marginally stable

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resort catering primarily to Teton Valley people. And it's surprising how much the,

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or I shouldn't say catering, it does cater, but it's not meant to just be like the locals best kept

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secret. And, you know, we're up here struggling every year, like when we have a poor opening,

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like we've had this year or, you know, plans don't go accordingly that were immediately

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up against the wall.

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benefit to Chiton Valley. MVPs, a lot of these master development plans, that's the plan

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on the mountain. I assumed it didn't exist when Turkey opened because the first

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MDP was prepared in 1971. And if you want to jump all the way to the end and look

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at our current proposed comfortable carrying capacity, it's really remarkable

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how they really had it right then. 6,000 skiers, 475 units, and you know

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things that at that time were, you know, spoke to a year-round resort that, you know, there's

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a lot of different things you've got to do to make, to be competitive and make, you know,

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a place like this viable. So then 1990, much of the base area was destroyed in the fire.

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really in early 1990, we began probably almost a, you know, 25-year period of being under

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really intense scrutiny in one form or another publicly.

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a forest service on the mountain.

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We were all forest service base area in the mountain.

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So everything was governed by a forest service master plan.

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So they were, you know, they were looking at units, they were looking at parking.

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So the 1995 master development came out.

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Skiert capacity was 5,130.

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and four replacements, about 100,000 square feet of Skiert services,

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notably Peket and Fred's on Mountain Restaurants,

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686 lodging units, 9.2 acres of parking, and even then they realized a lot of our roads

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needed quite a bit of work.

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In 1997, the land exchange was initiated by the florist in an effort to secure 400 acres

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of land at what's referred to as squirrel meadows kind of out near the it's

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critical grizzly bear habitat kind of out near south of the feckler in that

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area and we we agreed and we engaged I said we it was I wasn't really that

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involved then. But you can see, again, in an intense, intense period of scrutiny, took

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seven years. And finally, in 2004, Tuggy received 120 acres at the base area in exchange for

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400 acres at School Meadows. And then we began the next phase of our kind of history of trying

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to get to the point that we're in right now. So I moved here to the valley. I've been here

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since and put together an application to Teton County Wyoming. So now at this point, private

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land in the Bay Area, public land on the mountain, master plan with Teton County Wyoming in

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the Bay Area, master development plan with the Forest Service on the mountain.

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That was four years of many, many very intense public meetings, lots of iterations, lots of

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very hard work and very thoughtful work by Teton County, Wyoming commissioners and planning

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staff and really very heavy involvement from Teton County, Idaho.

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So 2008, it approved the Planear Development for Planned Resort.

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Application was approved for 450 units, 150,000 square feet of commercial, among a lot of other things.

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But that's kind of the big highlight items.

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So now kind of focusing on, you know, the scale of what, you know, we've been putting out

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there and primarily that I've been putting out there because, you know, this is the period

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that, you know, I, you know, this is a direct reflection of what I would like to see.

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And so our comfortable carrying capacity, the CCC in 2011 was 2,830 and in the MDP it was 5,420.

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In 2017 we had an MDP.

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The only thing that was really different was that we had upgraded the blacks of this.

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So the CCC was a little bit different.

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and the already approved CCC for taking into account the implementation of the peak at Lyft,

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which is underway, it's 3720, and in that plan it was 5,730.

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And then, my goal all along has been to have LyftServe skiing in South Bowl, and the 17

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plan just had CAT skiing and guided service, and I, you know, I just wanted to kind of

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of the chase and really reflect what I ultimately

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want to see out there.

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And so that's really, there were a couple other minor things.

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And I don't want to imply that adding the search

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scheme is how bold it's minor in any ways.

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But that's the primary difference between 17 and 18.

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right in 2017, we began an amendment of the 2008 base area

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master plan that was completed in late 2018.

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I'll get into some of the details of why we did that in just a minute.

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it. But the 2018 MDP, that's what's on the table right now. Initially, it was proposed

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with more terrain in South Pole and three lifts based on listening to feedback and patrol

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and a number of other factors have reduced that and, you know, consequently, the CCC's

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decline in, so, 6,017.

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to let you know, roughly about like six or seven more minutes.

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I mean, this is a good introduction,

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and I think hopefully it's pretty clear to everyone

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that your base area master plan is approved by Teton County, Wyoming,

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and your master development plan is being –

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your new master development plan is being proposed to the Caribou Target,

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and they can talk a little bit more about the process involved in that.

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But go ahead.

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So hurry up.

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Okay, so this slide basically says,

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I like the density the way it is now.

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I like the ski experience the way it is now.

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I am here for a reason this resort is operated the way it is for reasons.

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And, you know, if you want to take the time, it basically is, at full build-out, the density

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is projected to be almost identical, and it's very much on the low end of the industry average.

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I don't think, I wouldn't do this anyways, but I don't think our strength is jamming

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this mountain full of people, and it's never been my goal.

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Okay. Existing parking capacity. I'm going to kind of jump into more specific topics.

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So I recognize this has been a hot topic. I really, really believe that last year there

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was an anomaly. We had one terrible day, 14 inches on a Saturday, our plow, multiple

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pieces of equipment broke at a terrible time. You know, we still have nightmares

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parents about it up here, and me and all the employees that got screened at took it home

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with us all, all remember that day very well, and we don't want to do that again.

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Prior to last year, you know, we would have some, you know, there'd be busy days, but

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you know, we were basically fairly, fairly balanced.

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This is a way that the industry kind of looks at parking.

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You can see the math of how we got there and we typically have enough spaces and we did have

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a new lot this year and we haven't fully parked it yet so we're still estimating a bit but

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Our existing parking last year was 1,130 vehicles announced, approximately 1,450.

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This is in the Mountain Master Plan, but it also informs the Base Area Master Plan where

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it looks at if the full upgrade plan is implemented and, you know, at its completion, we recognize

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that we're going to need to create more spaces, and we have a plan to do that, but I think

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we've got, you know, for quite a while we should have plenty of spaces.

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So go through this really quickly.

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My main point on this is my goal, my objective, the scale, what we're trying to accomplish

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this year has been out in these master plans for quite a while, including South Pole.

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I mean, South Pole was in the 2000 on Mountain MVP.

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I didn't have the approval to do it.

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It was accepted.

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So there's a very big distinction.

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But as far as what the intentions were, the scale, it has been out there since 2011.

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and including on-mountain restaurants still at the top of Dreamcatcher and Sac-de-Lia.

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2018, these numbers are all bigger, but these are all the main things.

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I think the expansion areas get a lot of the attention, and I understandably so,

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know, but I think there is a lot of items in here that really reflect, you know, how my

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team and I really think that we can make the best experience possible. And, you know, that's

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there's a lot of good information in there, but you see a lot of similarities, a lot of,

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you know, scale similarities and areas of focus between the two on mountain MDPs.

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So, now we're switching back to the base area.

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Why did we amend the 2018 master plan? You can see in this summary that the big,

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you know, the number of units, the size of the parcel, the commercial, the transportation

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plan, the portable employee housing, we didn't propose changing any of that.

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There were a lot of things that have changed since 2008 with the county, including the

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adoption of a lot of new regulations over there.

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We really wanted to make, you know, a lot of change between 2008 and 2018.

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So this summarizes the, you know, really what changed between 8 and 18.

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One of the specific items in there is we're governed by a transportation demand management

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program.

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The math is laid out in there.

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It's above my pay grade to try to, you know, really sufficiently explain it, but there's

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There's a way that, you know, you take into account the type of things that you can do

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The type of road, the train of the road, you know, the conditions on the road, and the

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rural nature of the road, and that you develop a level of service, and the level of services

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is at the heart of this, and I need to have a travel demand management program presented

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to Teton County, Wyoming regularly. And if, if I'm not meeting that plan, adjustments

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need to be made and, and, you know, building permits can be laid, not moving on to new

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phases of development. But you can see some of the elements in here that, that are

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addressed in the program. How much time do I have, Cindy?

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Well, take a few more minutes.

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I'm not going to cut you off.

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That's important.

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Okay, another specific one that didn't change, and it's just straight up LDRs, Land Development Regulations.

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Sorry for all the acronyms. Teton County, Wyoming, Land Development Regulations.

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So I've got a little bit of a mix in here, but the additional employee housing, any additional employee housing

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driven by commercial square footage development.

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And there's a formula and it's laid out

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in the county master plan.

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And we didn't deviate from what the county provisions are.

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And that affordable housing is driven

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by residential development.

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We also, you know, I'm really glad we,

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I wish I could say we had a crystal ball.

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I'm really glad we got on this when we did.

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It's already become a huge asset and competitive advantage, and I hope Driggs sees it as an

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advantage as well in the community because, you know, we've got 112 people that would

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have been all out in the world competing for housing this last summer and this winter

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if we didn't have this housing in place.

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but we did recently complete the last couple of units and we have 16 units, about 112 employees

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with shovel service and then we've also secured additional housing down in Victor. We're doing

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everything that we can to try to carry our weight on this and going forward there is

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You know, direct controls in the county plan.

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All right, I know that I need to summarize this.

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So in the county master plan, the county does not have purview over forest.

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And forest doesn't have purview over county.

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But the plan at the time was very thoughtful on this matter.

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and the commissioners and the staff.

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And they said, you know, we don't want this development

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on the mountain to be kind of, you know, it's occurring,

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but it's like, it doesn't exist from a county standpoint.

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So they asked for, and we agreed to basically

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let the county LDRs take into account

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things that we do on the mountain.

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And they had the 2017 master plan in front of them.

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they knew exactly what we were contemplating, the scale of it, everything else and the change

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is the South Bowl stuff and so if anything gets approved I need to go to them and they

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apply the LDRs to it and it addresses parking, it addresses transportation, the things

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on the mountain would generate employee housing needs as well. So I feel really good about

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it and it's it's one of those things where I think we and the county went above and beyond

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and and it just is it's a little twilight zone to be being kind of you know I I feel

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like we went above and beyond on trying to consider our broader impact in the ways that

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that we can in the county can.

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So I have to do a monitoring report.

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There's triggers, if I'm not meeting these things.

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There's tons more detail, but I detailed out

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some of the stuff that's in the transportation monitoring,

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level of service, ridership, and traffic counts.

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So that's detailed out.

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And then, do you want me to come back to this later, maybe Cindy?

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So I think, I mean, I think this is actually a really good introduction because we're going to talk about a little bit more in detail about what's happening on public land and what the status of the EIS is,

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as well as, you know, Cheetown County and Wyoming planners

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can get into more detail on some of the requirements.

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But I think it would be good for everyone listening

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and watching to see just kind of the overview

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of that base area.

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And then we can pass it on and talk about it.

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So you want me to just hit on that really quick

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and then go or?

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I think that would be helpful.

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OK, so

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can you see my pointer thing here?

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So you're not in full screen, so we're seeing your next slide.

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So if you can expand, yeah, that might work.

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No, that's subtitles.

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If you can expand your main slide, it's going to be easier for everyone to see.

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But I don't know if that's even an option.

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Had it been that way through my whole thing?

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Someone more familiar with this might know, like Rob.

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I'm clicking the slideshow thing at the bottom.

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It works.

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It's just not as big as it can be.

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So I think you're fine.

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Go ahead.

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I apologize.

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I don't know.

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It's working.

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OK, so this represents, I mean,

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I mean, it's changed a little bit, but this really represents my close-in focus, and this

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next slide, it's already a bit outdated, but it represents kind of,

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you know, some of this

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stuff, like on the ski-in-ski-out part, isn't going to happen that way, the big building

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that kind of is near where Sue is, is going to be a little bit different, but I think it's

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still a good relevant, you know, this is kind of what, you know, what these entitlements

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could look like up here.

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And so, but this is the one that's much more current and, you know, is reflecting what

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But my focus is on the first round of, well, the first and the second round of things that

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we're going to be trying to do over the next three to four years.

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So when I'm moving my pointer around, can you see that?

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Okay.

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Someone's saying you need to go into presenter mode.

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Different what?

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It's read mode. It looks like an open book down at the bottom there of your PowerPoint.

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There you go.

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We could see it before. It just was smaller, so this is better.

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Okay. But when I'm pointing stuff out, you can't.

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Yeah, now we can.

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Okay.

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All right. So this proposed rendezvous expansion is farther down the line.

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Planning on keeping Sioux and renovating it.

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we're underway with renovating T-Wanat but T-Wanat we're planning on you know

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keeping in an upgraded fashion.

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This orientation of this building like a new

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Targi Lodge and in the activity center which is on the right when you walk up

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the stairs that's all one building and so both of them need to be addressed

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And we need to get our administration space out of here.

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It would go down near, we're pointing down here where what we call our sprung structure is.

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But we need to get that out of there and build a new flow at the resort to be much more convenient.

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And we're really, you know, falling behind the times as far as, you know,

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guess the expectations and how easy we are to do business with, but the flow of the whole thing.

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So that's really what getting some new lodging rooms, hotbeds is 100% my focus.

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Hotbeds mean, you know, it's not somebody just in town for a week during Christmas.

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You know, that we want them rented as much as possible and they're configured that way.

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they're designed that way. And it's part of being a sea resort. It's not a real estate

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play, if that distinction hopefully makes sense. And then, so a new kind of admins face

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down here, and then out in what I'm calling, what we call Lot 5, which is hopefully our

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overflow a lot of the past, out near the end of that, we're looking at probably about

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10 to 12 units of – you know, they'd be probably like a townhome configuration, but

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rentable, consistent-type units, not like specialized on each one, meant to just – for

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larger groups or families.

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So that's my primary focus at that point – at this point, those three projects.

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was

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that your last slide well I had this one too but this is

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again a better

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reflection of what because you're focused in the main kind of gas services

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area so the question on the next slide is is that just concept or is that

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currently platted this is not platted this is concept and we've got to get

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everything platted and so this is this is the area that I'm talking about like

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our gate is right here so this is lot five right here and this is the very

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end of it so we would be looking at a different unit configuration but but

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meant to be hotbeds meant to be you know more of a you know a town home sort of

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of setting. So that would be our first dip in there. And then this hotel and commercial

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space, and then right in here, admin and employee, and we would get rid of this firm structure

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and make this more of a snow front secondary arrival area.

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Okay.

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Awesome.

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I thank you for that overview.

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I think we should move on and hear about the master development plan that's being proposed

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for the public lands and what that process looks like, where we're at, what alternatives

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are being analyzed, and that is going to be coming from the Forest Service Interdisciplinary

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team leader on the EIS, Don Dressler, and feel free to, you know, involve our district ranger,

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Jay Pence, or for Supervisor Mel Bowling, as you see fit.

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So if you want to take it away, Don, I think, Jordy, you have to stop your screen share,

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and then I'm not sure if Don has slides or not, but...

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I have a fairly brief update that I want to make sure that we're giving some thorough

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information and background for folks that might not have been involved with this project

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from the beginning.

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So thanks again for the invitation to present.

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The update on this NEPA process really starts with what is an EIS and what are our alternatives

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and what is our timeline.

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So I'm going to try to address all of that.

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The Forest Service, and in this case specifically the Caribou Targi National Forest, is in the

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process of preparing an environmental impact statement to consider and disclose environmental

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effects of activities proposed on national forest system lands.

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Process was started with a notice of intent to prepare an EIS.

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This was published in the Federal Register on August 26, 2020, which initiated a 45-day

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public scoping period.

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I'm sure many folks that are tuning in may have participated in that process, and we

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appreciate that.

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an interjection.

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Disciplinary team of four service specialists, aided by the third party contractor SE group,

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as well as our cooperating agencies. We're using scoping information that was provided,

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site surveys and resource analysis to guide the preparation of the draft EIS. That's

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where we're at. And I should say, for all updates and further information, I'd really

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encourage people to get familiar with the project website if you're not familiar with it already.

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This is grandtargieresortes.org.

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Now, as we start as we are in the preparation

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of the draft EIS, the identification and evaluation of alternative ways of meeting

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the purpose and need of the proposed action is really the heart of the NEPA analysis.

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So alternatives being analyzed will meet the purpose and need, and they'll respond to the issues that have been identified throughout this process.

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So the alternatives include those that are practical or feasible from a technical and an economic standpoint.

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Providing detailed evaluation of the alternatives will allow the public to compare the environmental effects of the various potential components.

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And then the deciding official here represented by Forest Supervisor Mel Bowling will ultimately

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determine which alternative to proceed with, whether whole or in part.

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Again, all of this information is on the project website.

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So the next major step in this process that will provide the opportunity for public comment

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is when the draft EIS is made available.

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The Forest Service is currently working with our third-party contractor to finalize the specialist

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reports that will inform the draft EIS.

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So once the draft is ready, a notice of availability will be published in the Federal Register.

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This will initiate a 90-day public comment period.

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The goal is to produce a comprehensive document and not to piecemeal the analysis process.

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us. We'll work with local news media, work with our partners and our stakeholders to

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ensure this information is shared widely once it's available.

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And then upon the close of that 90-day draft comment period, we'll begin work towards a

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final EIS and a draft record of decision. So that's my real basic summary of where

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we are in the NEPA process, what's coming next. I know a lot of people want me to

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give a date of that, but really until the draft is ready to share, we really don't have a

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date of when that's going. We're in the process of finalizing the specialist reports, which

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as I said, will then inform the draft, which is what will be available for public comment.

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Is there anything?

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Oh, I think that's a pretty good update. I can answer some questions if you get

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anything specific later on.

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are

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being analyzed or is that still something that is going to come out with the EIS?

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Well, the alternatives being analyzed are not final until the draft is final.

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Okay.

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So it's a little premature to really dig in because as has been kind of pretty widely

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shared and openly shared, there have been changes throughout this process.

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And so as those changes come, we consider where those need to fit within the alternatives.

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And again, alternatives are really to show the comparison between effects of the various

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different components.

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People who are familiar with the master development plan, so what's being proposed for the

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expansion area and on mountain that isn't currently approved. Is that something

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Geordie or the Forest Service, someone from the Forest Service can explain just

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for people who aren't super familiar with the proposal. Again because we're

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just trying to get everyone kind of up to speed on what's approved on the

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the public or the private land and what's being proposed as additional amenities on public land?

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So I'm not sure how to answer your question to the best of our ability.

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I do know that if you go to that Grand Target Resort EIS, the scoping document and all the documentation on there

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is pretty well the entire master development plan that was submitted to the Forest Service.

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So that is what is being considered and that is the on-mountain proposal.

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Okay, that's good, actually. So for people, there's a lot of detail in there.

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Again, it's grandtargiresortes.org. Thanks for that.

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Okay, let's go to Teton County, Wyoming Planning and Building Services Director Chris Newbecker

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and Principal Planner Hamilton Smith.

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I also see Teton County Wyoming Commissioner Luther Probst is on as a presenter, so he also

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may have something to add when we kind of talk about that, private land approvals.

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Thanks, Cindy.

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This is Chris Newbecker, Director of Planning and Building Services.

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I've got Hamilton Smith with me.

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Hamilton is the Principal Planner, and he is most familiar with the Resort Master

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Plan, so he will give a brief presentation.

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Thank you.

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Okay, good evening.

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I'm going to jump into the screen share mode and just bear with me the minute of technological

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heartaches that always accompany this effort.

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I'm going to share screen one and then go into my slideshow.

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Can

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you guys confirm if you see simply a slide that says,

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any building services being charged in reserve overview?

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Yes.

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And you're not seeing the next slide up.

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Interestingly enough, I wasn't aware, just,

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I don't think any of us really collaborated ahead of time,

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so there was just a decent overlap with what Jordy presented.

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But again, just for everyone's information, as principal planner, I will be handling many,

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if not all, future applications in the short term there.

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We try to do that as staff to consistency.

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And as we delve into site-specific result master plans of this nature,

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The reserve area is captured as 23rd in 120 acres. The distinctions that are identified in the master plan are essentially acronyms aside, the commercial core and which is all of your central

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00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:15,450
and resort amenities, short-term lodging, as well as residential units, which is an important

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distinction to make, because then your periphery to the east, south, and west, the residential

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and accommodations component of the master plan are constitutes about 84.3 acres, yet

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a real minority of the residential units that are approved. I did see in the chat just a

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discussion related to the distinction between Platt and approved entitlements. There have

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been no formal development applications to our department since the 2019, so the Mass

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The first plan amendment was approved in 2018. The master plan recorded early 2019. Since then, we've had one great application of permit issued for the parking area expansion majority alluded to, to handle this overcrowded parking need.

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So, in essence, this 120 acres, we're familiar with, hopefully, this receives an entirely

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new zoning distinction as a resort area, and so through that amendment process, the distinction

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of resort and those findings for compliance with both our comprehensive plan as well as

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our LDRs was highlighted. And the 120 acres is – this is probably borrowed from a first

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sort of document, as my guess. But you can see how it situates between Rick's Basin

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up to the west, the access road of Ski Hill Road from the southeast corner, and all of

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your lift accessible. I think the acreage there is about 2,400 acres of specially

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use permit area upslope. And it's very much the case that the operations and the approvals

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in the 2,400 acres will completely happen outside of the jurisdiction of Teton County

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Planning and Development. But I will speak a bit more as Jordy did to a bit of a nexus

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this, and where there is those two processes are linked and such that we don't see these

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things happening in a vacuum in either jurisdiction.

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Jordan, you also present probably the identical chronology, but important to us in our distinctions

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was in 2006 the zoning map amendment, which did amend the county zoning from rural to

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to the resort zone that exists today from between, I don't know, initiated as early

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as 2004, but finally completed and approved in 2008, is the first PUD which stands for

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planned unit development, the type of development that underscores this resort standing for

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the property. 2008 is when that first master plan was approved, and excuse me, I didn't

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We see this sequencing with 2017 and the Forest Master Development Plan, and then subsequent

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to that, the consideration and then final adoption in February 2019 of our current amended

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master plan.

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In discussing that, I want to really also echo what you said, which was the 2017 Forest

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I picked up on a little concern whether our Board of Founding Commissioners were fully

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aware of the potential and scope for special use permit area expansion.

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And I will confirm that that was basically the first and primary key issue in the staff

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a court from the then-plan of Revy Hurley to the board was exactly these expansions

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to a T to say, here's what we see coming forward in the neighboring public lands, and

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this is a point of consideration as we consider the amendment to the master plan. So just

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Just for full transparency, there's no detail, really, that was not considered during the

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master plan amendment process of 2018.

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And just to quickly go into distinctions between the recreation, ephemeral plan area, or

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CPA, as I mentioned, distinguished as the dense commercial with short-term lodging.

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This is where the retail food, beverage services are approved, resort support services and

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amenities and both residential as well as large in units.

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To the perimeter then is the 84.3 acres of the residential accommodation plan area, single

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family residence condominiums, townhouses and cabins, open space areas for trails.

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And the looking at that sketch plan, this is a approved and adopted rendition of future development that is considered as the regulatory framework for which is codified in our amended master plan.

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And to go into that process a little bit more, one of the expectations through the 2018 process

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was just to bring the 08 approval into the modern day, our current LDR format.

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So we have standards pertaining to the commercial core standards pertaining to the residential

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accommodations area.

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They're unique, they're different, but they are established, for instance, triggers.

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00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:38,480
What number of developed units then triggers a board-level review process, what they call

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a development application?

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And just so it's clearly stated, each development of 10 or more units constitutes a development

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plan, and even less than that, if someone's going to come in and purchase and then plant

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00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:59,960
residential development, you're even going to be able to do that.

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,720
We're going to wind up in a board level approval process anyway. So, at each step, and I'll speak

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to phasing next, but this is all going on under repeated and regular scrutiny and approval

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by the board. The master plan in itself doesn't give an authorization to just simply move

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forward and begin building. That's not how this is structured. In addition, the 2018

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01:00:26,060 --> 01:00:33,860
plan is provided. That's the sketch map in addition to that more detailed phasing plan.

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I'll speak to that next. There was an update to our community services element. The Teton

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Creek Corridor project, for instance, that the mechanisms to fund that as a community

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duty service development, essentially transfer fee agreements, which are recorded after David's

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01:00:57,220 --> 01:01:05,280
that run with the land for transfers, basically sale or conveyance of properties that then

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put percentages of those sale presses into funds available, or not only the Development

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01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:21,400
of the Teton Creek Corridor Project, but also to go into funds for purchase and conservation

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01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:28,640
in perpetuity. They required 300 acres of lands by build-out, essentially.

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In addition, the intent in 2018 through the amendment was to codify a better coordination

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between the improvements on the National Forest, especially use permit area and the

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base area. So this is a distinction I'll speak to in the last slide. And I think Jordi also

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had the language in his final slide. But just to repeat and make clear, because I think

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there's some real concern in the public and misunderstanding perhaps. In 2018, no changes

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to the shape or size of the resort parcel of private lands of 120 years. No change

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01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:11,740
change was adopted to the number of gluing units permitted. That's 450 gluing units.

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No change to the commercial square footage allowance in the commercial core, 150,000

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square feet. No change to the transportation demand management goals to build out the

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:35,080
70 percent rider use of the shuttle system. No change to the requirements for both

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01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:40,220
employee or affordable housing. In addition, no change to permitted allowed peak occupancy,

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which is, I don't want to delve too much into APOs at the moment, but that's another mechanism

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to establish the threshold maximum thresholds. It's also in place out at Chestnut Mountain

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Resort. APOs are basically average peak occupancy of lodging units. There's calculations

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for each and set a maximum or a threshold for the final build out in a very intensity of the development.

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So other areas of key allocation characteristics, though there is no explicit for your ratio

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01:03:18,340 --> 01:03:24,380
or limitation on maximum floor of individual structures, the overall floor area,

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This is every single type of habitable, nonhabitable structure in the core is 645,000 square feet

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of development. There is an allowance for some transfer, some movement of approved floor area

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from the residential into the commercial if so desired. The individual dwelling or lodging

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01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:53,620
units in the core are 10,000 square feet per unit as far as individual dwelling units.

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The perimeter residential development area also phased in development as a maximum

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01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,740
plurial limit of 6,000 per unit.

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And these can be residential and a mix of residential or lodging units.

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And again, there's a cap on APOs for each type of unit.

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This is part of the master plan and will be obviously a part of an analysis

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01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,300
of any development plan application.

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I spoke to Phasing earlier, got a couple notes on Phasing,

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that in essence this is what

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links much of the monitoring plans

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and how it controls how many,

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and when the different bikes at the output take place, it's such that

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there's control and

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01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:56,680
and iterative check-ins with how the process of development is proceeding.

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When we're in phase one with the first applicable development plan, there are several key thresholds

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that were expectations prior or synced up with these original development plans.

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01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,760
specific to Phaesian. If there's work to be able to change this tune, the Phaesian plan,

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01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:25,380
these would have to come up or actually come up with planning director first, potentially

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01:05:25,380 --> 01:05:27,640
the board, as a minor amendment.

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01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:36,820
I've also got the association of commitments for,

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01:05:37,580 --> 01:05:40,740
I'm sorry, I've got a note here, housing commitment generated for each phase of the

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01:05:40,740 --> 01:05:46,360
should be completed prior to the beginning construction of the subsequent phases.

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So part of phasing is you can't get into Phase 2 or 3 or 4 without having established

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01:05:53,540 --> 01:05:58,900
and then completed those employee and affordable housing requirements for that phase.

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01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:09,040
And so just a couple of other items in summary just briefly.

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Finally, to reference the Transportation Demand Management Plan, I spoke to this earlier,

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but that the intent of ultimately having capacity for 70 percent ridership for employees and

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01:06:25,060 --> 01:06:35,020
approximately 30 percent visitor handled through public transportation shuttle services

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is an expectation through the completion of the final buildout phase, and so there's

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01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:45,160
iterative steps up to those that expectation in the earlier phases.

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We do have agreements where the Teton County Affordable Housing Department will collaborate

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:07:02,040
with the Teton County Idaho Board and work on accomplishing development of affordable

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01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:07,560
housing in the communities of Victor and Driggs. There's some scales as to, I think it's 80%

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within a certain range of Driggs and then a remainder which can be developed in Victor.

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That is a requisite prior to approval of the first development plan. So this system

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must be in place and oversight provided both by Teton County, Idaho as well as our

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01:07:28,420 --> 01:07:35,420
affordable housing department. Other topics I think that folks are concerned about, for

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instance, the emergency management plan that would be required within one year of approval

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01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:49,420
and recordation of a first final plat. So once you've got actual private property developed

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01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:56,960
on the ground, emergency management, let's see that I've tried to just a couple more

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01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:06,240
notes on that. This is also one of the other important topics such as the Wildland Urban

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Interface Study, which would be required prior to construction of the first phase of development.

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And there's also, depending upon the EIS, the waste water treatment capacity, water

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01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:29,920
usage, culinary water storage, those type of infrastructure requirements speak to the

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final note in key takeaways, which is that once this EIS is complete, these entitlements

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01:08:38,420 --> 01:08:43,660
to whatever degree, whatever alternative is approved, as Jordy mentioned, that's when

666
01:08:43,660 --> 01:08:49,940
Grand Target comes back to Teton County, indicates what the extent, the exact detail

667
01:08:49,940 --> 01:08:56,980
of all, but mountain services that have been approved, and that opens up the opportunity

668
01:08:56,980 --> 01:09:05,560
for a reassessment of the types of services such as, I mentioned, the infrastructure and

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01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:13,040
wastewater and culinary water, parking, transportation, all of those details, and that application

670
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:20,100
depending upon its scale, maybe processed as a minor amendment, or the master plan also

671
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:24,580
offers an opportunity for that to be elevated to a broad-level decision in the event that

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01:09:24,580 --> 01:09:26,960
carries a greater degree of significance.

673
01:09:27,860 --> 01:09:34,000
But that's about the extent of what I prepared for this evening.

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01:09:34,660 --> 01:09:39,620
I'll let that sit on the screen for just a moment in case anyone wants to take down

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01:09:39,620 --> 01:09:40,580
more information.

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01:09:40,580 --> 01:09:47,520
my phone number here at the county and my email address and I'll be calling up for questions.

677
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:58,940
Speak to a board level decision that will always involve an opportunity for public comment, correct?

678
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:07,300
Absolutely. At a number of junctures both, you know, mailed, we take mail or e-mail comments

679
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:12,900
and those aren't weighted any differently than if someone doesn't,

680
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:16,780
me perhaps doesn't have the ability to attend either our planning commission hearings or

681
01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:25,000
our county commissioner hearings. It all gets to the intended listening audience which

682
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,520
I would then approve is what the system in Mr. Brooks. So

683
01:10:33,090 --> 01:10:34,670
I will, is it okay to stop

684
01:10:34,670 --> 01:10:36,190
sharing this screen? Yes,

685
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,460
Teton County. He's serving as our representative,

686
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,500
Teton

687
01:10:57,950 --> 01:11:04,290
Hamilton, you need to stop sharing there. There we go. Let me bring mine up.

688
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:14,200
Okay, so I'll try to get through this fairly quickly because we need to lead time to answer some questions.

689
01:11:15,020 --> 01:11:26,600
As Cindy mentioned, I am representing county interests on the ID team. The other members of the team include Teton County, Wyoming, the Forest Service, of course, and the National Park Service.

690
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,580
I'm just going to make a few points here.

691
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:38,580
Just three main points, and I'm going to talk about the study that we commissioned.

692
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:45,220
Just to review, we talked about this throughout this presentation, but I just want to make it clear.

693
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,140
We're talking about two different master plans under two different jurisdictions.

694
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:56,360
The MDP on the left under Forest Service Jurisdiction, that's what's going through the NEPA process right now.

695
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:05,940
and of course the PUD base area approval from Teton County, Wyoming that took place in 2018-2019.

696
01:12:08,260 --> 01:12:14,460
I want to point out that during that PUD approval process, there was a lot of complacency locally

697
01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:16,100
and kind of a lack of awareness.

698
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:22,700
I think a lot of locals had heard all these base area master plans for years

699
01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:28,780
or different iterations of a master development plan, and not much had happened because of

700
01:12:28,780 --> 01:12:35,920
economic, you know, situation with the boom and the bust. And so I think a lot of folks

701
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,660
just didn't get engaged in that. Teton County, Idaho, was really never officially invited

702
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:47,520
into that process, although I'll put it on us for not actively engaging as well.

703
01:12:48,420 --> 01:13:04,080
And so because there was no, I guess, public controversy over an expansion in front of the public, people didn't get really involved in that PUD renewal.

704
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:15,020
It was similar in scale to previous iterations, as Jordy pointed out, but nevertheless it does represent a major increase in development over what's there now.

705
01:13:15,020 --> 01:13:19,840
And that's kind of where we're coming from and wanting to look at it and the on-mountain

706
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,860
development more carefully at this point in time.

707
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:25,860
So key point, too.

708
01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:31,120
The two plans have been reviewed separately, but in practice they're totally interrelated.

709
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:38,900
I think this was mentioned previously, but it should be noted that the SE Group, the

710
01:13:38,900 --> 01:13:42,960
NEPA contractor for the Forest Service, has indicated that a lot of the impacts

711
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:49,500
from the base area development are considered outside their scope in preparing the environmental

712
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:50,400
impact statement.

713
01:13:51,940 --> 01:13:58,680
So we feel that the on-mountain development and the base area development needs to be

714
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:04,140
examined in a more holistic manner, given current economic conditions that the valley

715
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:04,740
is facing.

716
01:14:05,620 --> 01:14:09,480
Yes, these plans have been around for a long time, but the situation has changed

717
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:15,620
in the valley quite a bit. And obviously, in the last couple of years, we've seen a huge real estate boom,

718
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:20,540
big influx of people, labor and housing shortages, all kinds of challenges.

719
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:29,300
The third point without stating the obvious here is the interstate problem.

720
01:14:29,740 --> 01:14:35,220
Targets in Wyoming, but the impacts are largely going to flow toward the Idaho side of the Tetons.

721
01:14:35,220 --> 01:14:41,720
The tax revenues from the development are going to go to Teton County, Wyoming, although

722
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:47,820
as Hamilton alluded to, some fees, like for real estate transfer fees, will be spent on

723
01:14:47,820 --> 01:14:49,060
affordable housing in Idaho.

724
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,220
But nevertheless, the lion's share of revenues going to Teton County, Wyoming, while a lot

725
01:14:55,220 --> 01:14:56,960
of the impacts are happening on our side.

726
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,680
So Teton County, Idaho's may be looking at.

727
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,880
Housing and employment impacts, public service, infrastructure needs, and all of this stuff is

728
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:11,620
going to be, you know, probably exacerbated by increased visitor demand if the resort is successful

729
01:15:11,620 --> 01:15:13,920
in building out and attracting more customers.

730
01:15:16,380 --> 01:15:21,760
So, we engage a consultant named Eco Northwest

731
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:27,480
to do a socioeconomic study, and the first step in that study is to compile and assess

732
01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:33,540
us existing conditions here in Teton Valley. So taking a look at the labor situation and

733
01:15:33,540 --> 01:15:39,140
our housing needs and availability, looking at what public services are offered and whether

734
01:15:39,140 --> 01:15:44,600
they're adequately funded, looking at our traffic and our transportation infrastructure,

735
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:51,440
what's the shape of the roads, and looking at the county fiscal status. That graphic

736
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:58,220
over to the right is just demonstrating that almost 3,500 workers per day commute over to

737
01:15:58,220 --> 01:16:05,180
Jackson from our county, about almost 1,900 live and work here, and we're already importing

738
01:16:05,180 --> 01:16:10,100
about 1,200 workers from other East Idaho counties to come here.

739
01:16:10,260 --> 01:16:15,460
So what we're experiencing in recent years is a lot like what you've seen in Colorado

740
01:16:16,580 --> 01:16:19,980
where the workforce is increasingly being pushed down valley.

741
01:16:19,980 --> 01:16:27,660
So here's some existing conditions that our consultant has already started to compile.

742
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,660
They talk about how county property tax is not kept up with budget needs.

743
01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:38,540
State of Idaho limits the increase on property tax to 3% per year.

744
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:46,500
And of course, you know, valuations go up much more than that, but middle levy rates drop.

745
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:53,960
and so the actual property tax bills can only go up 3% per year, but of course different fees and

746
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:59,440
levies and whatnot can go up considerably more than that. The share of our budget funded from

747
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:07,740
property tax actually fell from 70% 2012 to just over half last year, or I guess almost two years

748
01:17:07,740 --> 01:17:15,000
ago now. So basically the counties increasingly reliant on things like voter approved levies

749
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:23,040
and our various fees to actually make the budget balance out and meet the need for public services.

750
01:17:25,420 --> 01:17:33,500
Also, our consultant is looking at some of the restrictions we have in terms of raising other types of revenue.

751
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,460
So our sales tax, for example, is shared with the state on a predetermined formula.

752
01:17:38,980 --> 01:17:41,600
So it's not like we can really ramp that up locally.

753
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,700
and we can't tax short-term rentals out in the county.

754
01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:52,240
So we really have our hands tied in a lot of ways in terms of generating more revenue.

755
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:57,880
So that's just one example of some of the current situation we're looking at here in the valley.

756
01:18:00,100 --> 01:18:08,980
So the next step after assessing conditions for Eco Northwest will be to look at likely changes in demand

757
01:18:08,980 --> 01:18:14,780
from visitors and locals, so looking at housing, labor needs, public services, et cetera.

758
01:18:16,420 --> 01:18:24,720
The tricky part of that is going to be trying to figure out the demand that's driven independent of resort development

759
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:30,700
and what is resulting directly or indirectly from development up at Grand Target.

760
01:18:30,700 --> 01:18:36,640
You know, we're not trying to pin everything that happened during COVID on Grand Targi.

761
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:38,560
That's certainly not fair.

762
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:47,560
But obviously some impacts are already happening and others may be exacerbated by bigger resort

763
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:48,940
operations and visitation.

764
01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:56,380
So the next step will be looking at the positive and negative impacts on all these

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01:18:56,380 --> 01:18:57,140
different categories.

766
01:18:57,140 --> 01:19:04,020
So looking at the rental market, looking at housing supply in general, how much could house costs,

767
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:09,600
looking at how much of the housing market is converting to short-term rentals, which is a big trend right now.

768
01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:20,120
Looking at employment, so the available labor supply and what the likely increase in demand will be for labor

769
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:29,480
as businesses expand and as Targi expands, looking at wages, again, tax revenues and

770
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:37,140
how the county is going to be impacted, looking at traffic patterns and volume, looking how

771
01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:41,980
public services will be affected, and also public infrastructure, especially roads.

772
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:48,020
Collector roads that feed into Ski Hill Road will be something we'll be taking a close

773
01:19:48,020 --> 01:19:48,540
look at.

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01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:55,500
And finally, they'll be estimating the public service and capital costs directly

775
01:19:55,500 --> 01:20:01,480
attributable to resort development. So this development that's happening in Wyoming, how

776
01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:07,280
much is it really going to cost the taxpayers of Teton County and the city of Driggs?

777
01:20:07,380 --> 01:20:12,320
Those are the two entities they'll be, are consultantly looking at most closely.

778
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,260
So actually, that's not the final point.

779
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:22,300
This is the final point, describing how the positive and negative effects are distributed.

780
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,520
Who are the winners? Who are the losers? Who bears the cost?

781
01:20:26,340 --> 01:20:30,300
How much of this is going to fall on local taxpayers?

782
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:33,680
So that's the gist of the study there.

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01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:41,420
When the study comes out, it will be submitted by the county as an official comment on the draft EIS.

784
01:20:41,420 --> 01:20:47,960
and certainly could be used by the Forest Service in their decision-making on what the

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01:20:48,620 --> 01:20:53,740
final chosen alternative is for grant targets on mountain development.

786
01:20:54,520 --> 01:21:01,200
But even beyond that, I think the study is going to help inform local government, both

787
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:07,060
Teton County, Idaho, and Wyoming, on possible strategies for addressing these community

788
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:12,400
challenges that tend to be exacerbated by more commercial growth, whether it's Targi

789
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:18,340
or other businesses within the valley, or just increased tourist visitation. In other

790
01:21:18,340 --> 01:21:20,600
words, we have a better idea of what's coming down the pike.

791
01:21:21,780 --> 01:21:26,840
And so that's it in a nutshell. Cindy, I was going to hand it over to you just

792
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:31,980
to mention again about a future opportunity for public comment.

793
01:21:31,980 --> 01:21:33,020
Teton

794
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:45,510
County are contributing about 50 percent of the costs of the Eco Northwest study.

795
01:21:47,050 --> 01:21:51,770
The commissioners in Wyoming realized, you know, it is important information for Idaho

796
01:21:52,130 --> 01:21:57,950
to understand not just, you know, potential impacts from Grand Tardis expansion, but just

797
01:21:57,950 --> 01:22:05,750
generally what's happening on the Wyoming side of Teton Valley, but also in combination

798
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:08,310
with all the other growth that we're experiencing,

799
01:22:09,050 --> 01:22:11,290
to try to look at that more holistically

800
01:22:11,290 --> 01:22:14,970
and plan for the future in the best way we can

801
01:22:14,970 --> 01:22:18,990
in terms of being efficient with the money we do have

802
01:22:18,990 --> 01:22:21,170
and looking at other opportunities to fund some

803
01:22:21,170 --> 01:22:26,790
of the services that might be needed for, you know,

804
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:28,250
what's happening in Wyoming.

805
01:22:28,630 --> 01:22:32,310
So thanks for clarifying all that,

806
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:38,650
the reason behind why we're headed in this direction is beyond just grand

807
01:22:38,650 --> 01:22:44,210
targi so and our so far consultant has been doing a fabulous job a ton of

808
01:22:44,210 --> 01:22:55,090
research and lots of great information to analyze so this final slide is just

809
01:22:55,090 --> 01:22:59,970
to make sure everyone knows what other opportunities there will be for

810
01:22:59,970 --> 01:23:09,350
We're learning about what's happening on both sides of the pass, but also to very directly

811
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:13,450
speak with the commissioners, well, the decision makers in general.

812
01:23:13,730 --> 01:23:18,230
So county commissioners from T-Tank County, Idaho, county commissioners from T-Tank County,

813
01:23:18,370 --> 01:23:22,830
Wyoming, as well as the Forest Service decision makers.

814
01:23:22,830 --> 01:23:32,850
So this is phase one for T-10 County, Idaho in kind of educating the public on grand

815
01:23:32,850 --> 01:23:38,810
targi and what's been approved, what's being proposed, and how it might impact

816
01:23:38,810 --> 01:23:44,530
our community. We plan to host another town hall meeting hopefully with our

817
01:23:44,530 --> 01:23:49,530
consultant Eco Northwest down the road where we can be more of the

818
01:23:49,530 --> 01:23:56,530
listeners and hear from the public about their concerns directly and incorporate them potentially

819
01:23:56,530 --> 01:23:59,450
into our comments on the draft EIS.

820
01:24:01,660 --> 01:24:09,890
Obviously anyone in the community or beyond will have an opportunity to provide public

821
01:24:09,890 --> 01:24:17,570
comment to the Caribou Chargi National Forest during the 90-day period following publication

822
01:24:17,570 --> 01:24:25,890
of the draft PIS and I'm sure it will be really obvious when that comes out, we'll make sure

823
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:32,370
to put it on the press and social media and everywhere else so that people can directly

824
01:24:32,370 --> 01:24:36,770
comment on the draft PIS to the Teribu-Targi Delta Forest.

825
01:24:38,210 --> 01:24:44,210
As we discussed earlier and Hamilton pointed out, the phases of development on the private

826
01:24:44,210 --> 01:24:53,470
that land at the base area of Grand Target will happen in phases and will also in some

827
01:24:53,470 --> 01:25:00,530
cases require board approval. So every time that happens, every time there's a trigger,

828
01:25:00,870 --> 01:25:06,090
either with the Planning and Zoning Commission in Teton County, Wyoming, or the Board of

829
01:25:06,090 --> 01:25:11,390
County Commissioners, there will be an opportunity for public review and comment as well.

830
01:25:13,670 --> 01:25:18,030
And that's all I had to say about future opportunities.

831
01:25:18,510 --> 01:25:21,670
We can focus on our question and answer session now.

832
01:25:21,810 --> 01:25:28,530
I did want to ask that my colleagues, the county commissioners from Idaho,

833
01:25:29,070 --> 01:25:33,170
to start us off if they had any specific questions for any of the presenters.

834
01:25:33,530 --> 01:25:40,610
And then I'll go to questions that are coming in on paper and digitally through Zoom from the public.

835
01:25:40,610 --> 01:25:41,370
So

836
01:25:45,050 --> 01:25:53,550
Commissioner Whitfield or Hennich, did you have anything specific you wanted to ask at this time?

837
01:25:57,550 --> 01:26:08,070
I had one question. I'll pose it to, I guess to Grant Hardy, one thing we've heard a lot of concerns about

838
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:13,490
are the impacts to wildlife in the two areas of extension for the terrain.

839
01:26:13,490 --> 01:26:19,890
And I'm wondering if there's going to be any mitigation plan for those wildlife impacts

840
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,970
if those proposed expansions are allowed.

841
01:26:23,150 --> 01:26:26,810
I don't know if that would come from Grand Target or the Forest Service or who should

842
01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:27,250
respond.

843
01:26:27,570 --> 01:26:31,130
But wondering if any of the wildlife impacts would be mitigated.

844
01:26:44,440 --> 01:26:46,440
So, here, I can give you it.

845
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:51,320
I mean, Michael, you're fairly intimately familiar with the EIS and EA process.

846
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:58,440
and there's typically mitigations that are included in those projects.

847
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:04,820
As you are also aware, an EIS could have an irretrievable commitment of resources.

848
01:27:05,700 --> 01:27:11,460
But I would say that there's typically some sort of medications that are done.

849
01:27:11,820 --> 01:27:13,280
I'm not really sure where you're heading.

850
01:27:13,540 --> 01:27:17,700
I mean, you know, if you could put a tree, you could put a tree.

851
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:19,860
I'm not really sure what you're hinting at.

852
01:27:19,860 --> 01:27:23,300
But yes, that's typically what happens in an environmental process.

853
01:27:33,260 --> 01:27:36,980
Respond to that before we move to the next question.

854
01:27:40,490 --> 01:27:40,730
Okay.

855
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:42,870
Richard Hinnich.

856
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,700
Yeah, I'm really eager to see that Eco Northwest study.

857
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:58,510
You know, this is by no means a comprehensive list of my concerns.

858
01:27:59,670 --> 01:28:04,670
But, you know, this is, I think, this is perhaps

859
01:28:04,670 --> 01:28:10,590
an unanswerable question, how will Teton County be able to keep up with the increased demand

860
01:28:10,590 --> 01:28:17,810
for services that we have to deliver, be it roads, be it fire protection, be it increased

861
01:28:17,810 --> 01:28:26,390
law enforcement, increased solid waste, without some new revenue sources yet to be identified?

862
01:28:27,150 --> 01:28:32,590
I just think we're in a tough situation. And at this point, I don't know that that question's

863
01:28:32,590 --> 01:28:33,650
even answerable.

864
01:28:34,050 --> 01:28:34,190
That's

865
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:44,360
what we're trying to get at with our consultant and understanding this proposal

866
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:49,600
in the context of what's happening in the rest of our county and how we're covering

867
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:58,060
those expenses, those increasing expenses. As commissioners, we're certainly in clerks

868
01:28:58,060 --> 01:29:02,480
and employees and staff are certainly feeling that crunch right now.

869
01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:10,820
You know, Doug's self is on here, so I wanted to give him an opportunity as well.

870
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:19,440
He's pretty familiar with the housing mitigation aspect of the base area development.

871
01:29:19,940 --> 01:29:24,840
If you wanted to add anything, Doug, if you can hear me feel free to chime in.

872
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:35,060
He's also been working quite closely on the public transportation aspect of the whole

873
01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:43,740
community, but specifically with Geordie and Grant Argyi and assisting with the shuttle

874
01:29:43,740 --> 01:29:44,180
service.

875
01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:46,400
Yeah, thanks, Cindy.

876
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:52,960
I see everything as just a tremendous opportunity to work together as a region on the two

877
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:59,980
to Teton counties in particular, to address housing, transportation, so I'll

878
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,100
Public ways, emergency services, all of the things that we have been partnering on for a

879
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:14,140
while but, you know, we haven't fully knitted together. And so there's a lot to do regardless

880
01:30:14,140 --> 01:30:20,220
of what happens with the EIS. And I think it's great that we have brought the conversation

881
01:30:20,220 --> 01:30:24,740
to this point. So I'm happy to answer any other questions in that regard.

882
01:30:24,740 --> 01:30:25,720
Commissioner

883
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:32,570
Probes, did you have any specific questions?

884
01:30:34,610 --> 01:30:35,610
Not at the moment.

885
01:30:35,790 --> 01:30:36,130
Thank you.

886
01:30:36,330 --> 01:30:43,270
I just want to express my gratitude to you and the other commissioners and to everyone

887
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:45,890
that's been providing us information and that's all.

888
01:30:46,410 --> 01:30:52,090
I would like to add that I want to express my gratitude also to the also Solid Waste

889
01:30:52,090 --> 01:30:55,890
Disposal District for their support for the Eco Northwest study as well.

890
01:30:55,890 --> 01:30:56,710
Before

891
01:31:00,970 --> 01:31:09,380
we go to questions, was there any clarifications you want to make from the other presentations?

892
01:31:14,830 --> 01:31:24,470
Thanks for the opportunity to know and really appreciate the information, in particular from Hamilton.

893
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:28,450
I thought that was really well summarized.

894
01:31:28,450 --> 01:31:37,670
I do have two relatively minor things from Rodman's presentation.

895
01:31:39,230 --> 01:31:43,850
The 2008 and the 2018 were not similar in scale.

896
01:31:44,030 --> 01:31:45,170
They were identical in scale.

897
01:31:46,710 --> 01:31:50,570
Words matter in what they imply.

898
01:31:52,190 --> 01:32:04,710
And then to say SE Group and the local ranger district or CTNF or however it was worded,

899
01:32:04,770 --> 01:32:12,890
chose how to analyze the impacts. I don't think it's a really fair representation. I mean,

900
01:32:13,850 --> 01:32:23,310
The EIS and NEPA is pretty well established, and they're doing it by the book.

901
01:32:24,030 --> 01:32:28,930
So those were the two things I wanted to address.

902
01:32:29,610 --> 01:32:30,130
Okay.

903
01:32:30,250 --> 01:32:31,710
Can I respond to that, Cindy?

904
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:34,530
Yeah, let's go to questions.

905
01:32:34,990 --> 01:32:35,710
Okay, sure.

906
01:32:35,970 --> 01:32:36,790
I think it's time.

907
01:32:37,490 --> 01:32:37,690
Okay.

908
01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:38,290
Make sure we get

909
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:44,840
presenters can see these.

910
01:32:44,980 --> 01:32:45,860
I'm going to start at the top.

911
01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:49,560
I won't necessarily ask all of them if they're not relevant.

912
01:32:49,820 --> 01:32:55,780
But the first one is, what is the difference between summer and winter impacts that the resort brings

913
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,420
compared to what the National Parks bring during the summer?

914
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:05,140
So I think this is really, this question is about, you know, we talked probably more about winter,

915
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:06,600
which always seems to be the case.

916
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:17,060
how maybe Geordie can answer, how is it different in the summer from winter in terms of number

917
01:33:17,060 --> 01:33:24,680
of visitors and maybe, I don't know who else can speak to kind of the cumulative impact

918
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,300
of all the summer visitors that come to our national parks.

919
01:33:32,490 --> 01:33:38,210
What are you expecting or anticipating growth in the summer to be, I guess, is really

920
01:33:38,210 --> 01:33:42,270
question for Geordi, and then I'm not sure we can answer the rest of it.

921
01:33:44,590 --> 01:33:53,010
I think much less driven by Targi and more just driven by much bigger influences outside

922
01:33:53,010 --> 01:33:55,710
of a lot of our control.

923
01:33:55,950 --> 01:34:04,370
I think summer is the much bigger growth area, and it's much more driven by things

924
01:34:04,370 --> 01:34:14,290
primarily on the Jackson side, not to blame them, but, you know, the parks and the various

925
01:34:14,290 --> 01:34:23,070
travel patterns and how people come and go, I think summer is, you know, by far the much

926
01:34:23,070 --> 01:34:27,630
bigger increase in impacts.

927
01:34:27,630 --> 01:34:36,650
impacts, but I do think the question is important, and it's been my biggest issue with the socioeconomic

928
01:34:36,650 --> 01:34:37,190
study.

929
01:34:37,450 --> 01:34:45,210
I mean, we're certainly a part of it, but, man, I really think it should look at, you

930
01:34:45,210 --> 01:34:52,170
know, instead of just singling us out, you know, let's really have a regional conversation

931
01:34:52,170 --> 01:35:02,130
in around all the impacts that come from areas or situations outside of Teton Valley's, Teton

932
01:35:02,130 --> 01:35:12,230
County, Idaho's control and combine that with things that have been infrastructure issues

933
01:35:12,930 --> 01:35:18,530
in the sense of things that come down to the county from Boise.

934
01:35:18,530 --> 01:35:25,630
you know, that it makes it very, very hard in these resort communities to deal with, you

935
01:35:25,630 --> 01:35:34,590
know, explosive growth or visitation and focus that much more around a more global conversation.

936
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:35,910
I

937
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:43,240
think this next one's for us, for the T-10 County commissioners.

938
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:48,020
If T-10 County IDO is a cooperating agency – actually, Rob can help with this one.

939
01:35:48,020 --> 01:35:52,500
The T-10 County Idaho is a cooperating agency and socioeconomic impacts are a significant

940
01:35:53,060 --> 01:35:53,620
concern.

941
01:35:53,780 --> 01:35:59,160
Why is this study that is being funded by the county not going to be included in the EIS?

942
01:36:00,340 --> 01:36:04,480
And then Rob mentioned that it would be a comment on the EIS.

943
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:06,740
Yes, that's right.

944
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:16,500
So again, our indication from SE Group was that certain aspects of development, especially

945
01:36:16,500 --> 01:36:21,640
the base area development. We're just outside the scope of NEPA. They are doing it by the book,

946
01:36:22,460 --> 01:36:28,340
and NEPA just kind of limits what they can cover. So we're looking into it on our own,

947
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:34,720
and we will submit it to as part of our comments during the 90-day comment period.

948
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:39,020
I think it'll help inform our comments. That's the other answer to that.

949
01:36:39,500 --> 01:36:44,540
Is that the intention is that we have a little bit more information to share

950
01:36:44,540 --> 01:36:51,420
when the study is complete on that really the socioeconomic, the fiscal impacts on our

951
01:36:51,420 --> 01:36:52,420
community and our taxpayers.

952
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:57,660
And regardless of what happens with the EIS, I think it just gives us more information

953
01:36:57,660 --> 01:37:03,240
to work with as, you know, we have more idea of what impacts we might be facing.

954
01:37:03,540 --> 01:37:04,620
Yeah, for planning purposes.

955
01:37:06,860 --> 01:37:08,800
Okay, here's one for Hamilton.

956
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:13,660
Can Hamilton provide some detail on which stakeholders would be involved in assessing

957
01:37:13,660 --> 01:37:16,620
the effectiveness of the emergency management plan.

958
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:26,520
You know, I can take a quick amount of this, but it's a little early in all honesty, and

959
01:37:27,140 --> 01:37:30,260
unfortunately that is a single sentence in this master plan.

960
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:36,280
So it's other than, I think it's in the glossary as well, defining what an emergency management

961
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:44,220
plan is, but it admittedly lacks much breadth in terms of a description requirement.

962
01:37:44,220 --> 01:37:50,140
document. It is quite clear that that is going to be, because it would need to be implemented

963
01:37:50,140 --> 01:37:57,500
within one year of the final plat of the first subdivision. It then enables us to require

964
01:37:57,500 --> 01:38:02,220
that as a component of the submittal. So the original onus will be able to developer

965
01:38:02,220 --> 01:38:08,420
to create that document as a component of the application that comes through for

966
01:38:08,420 --> 01:38:14,800
development and plan. Our resources in the planning department, as it certainly is outside

967
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:21,060
of my expertise, would be, for instance, our emergency management coordinator in the county.

968
01:38:22,440 --> 01:38:31,440
We also have our sheriff's department, certain contractual relationships with FIRE and EMS

969
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:39,740
and to jump in on Idaho. So we, during that review and analysis of the applications, would

970
01:38:39,740 --> 01:38:46,920
certainly do what we call plan review or technical or plan review outreach. And those comments

971
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:51,560
and responses would inform the approval of the document.

972
01:38:58,330 --> 01:39:03,110
For you, I'll just go skip to that one, which is, can T-10 County, Wyoming clarify

973
01:39:03,110 --> 01:39:06,530
or re-iterate what the annual monitoring is.

974
01:39:07,190 --> 01:39:08,030
I'm

975
01:39:10,140 --> 01:39:11,040
still on unit, okay.

976
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,340
I apologize.

977
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:20,240
My ability to do that in a very complete and accurate way

978
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:21,880
is probably limited tonight.

979
01:39:23,180 --> 01:39:28,040
There's monitoring of so many aspects of the base area development,

980
01:39:28,580 --> 01:39:32,960
and they are a little bit random in terms of sequencing.

981
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:39,560
seen and is it a phase? Is it a development plan? Is it a – so I hesitate – anyone

982
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:46,620
can reach out to me and ask that question for a really formal and accurate answer, but it's

983
01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:48,760
tough for me to do that over as a meeting.

984
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:55,280
Complicated.

985
01:39:59,350 --> 01:40:05,650
Maybe some summary down the road in terms of what the – and again, it's

986
01:40:05,650 --> 01:40:10,310
It's all tied to the LDRs, so it's not just Targi required to do monitoring.

987
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:17,270
It has to do with size of development.

988
01:40:17,570 --> 01:40:23,670
Obviously, resort development is bigger than residential development in terms of what kind of monitoring

989
01:40:23,670 --> 01:40:29,230
and requirements that the LDRs for Teton County or Wyoming have.

990
01:40:33,230 --> 01:40:37,550
This is a good question that we can't answer, but I'm going to state it anyway.

991
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:45,190
What is the dollar amount of 100% of the tax revenue associated with the Targi development

992
01:40:45,190 --> 01:40:49,670
that is projected to go to Teton County, Wyoming over the next, say, 10 years if all the

993
01:40:49,670 --> 01:40:50,610
approvals are granted?

994
01:40:52,850 --> 01:40:57,370
What is, I think, what the question is, and I'm not sure anyone can answer this,

995
01:40:57,370 --> 01:41:05,710
but what's the anticipated tax revenue from development of the base area to Chitown County,

996
01:41:05,770 --> 01:41:13,550
Wyoming? This is a question we have asked our consultant Econorthwest. I'm not sure they're

997
01:41:13,550 --> 01:41:17,590
going to even be able to get at that, but is there anyone who wants to respond to that question

998
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:20,550
or is it a wait and see? The

999
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:33,030
next question I'm going to take one from the audience. This one

1000
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:40,650
as for Mal, if you're so with us, how important is comfortable carrying capacity in your decision-making?

1001
01:41:46,490 --> 01:41:50,110
So I'm going to actually tip that over to Don, because I think he's going to have a

1002
01:41:50,110 --> 01:41:58,730
more cohesive answer as far as how we factor that into both the analysis as well as kind

1003
01:41:58,730 --> 01:42:00,830
of our decision-making process moving forward.

1004
01:42:00,970 --> 01:42:05,810
So let me give tip that over to Don, and then I will add on as he kind of answers

1005
01:42:05,810 --> 01:42:06,110
that.

1006
01:42:06,110 --> 01:42:12,840
I was responding to another question in the Q&A, so could you read that one more time?

1007
01:42:12,900 --> 01:42:17,840
Yeah, that one came from someone in the courthouse here.

1008
01:42:18,060 --> 01:42:23,540
So how important is comfortable carrying capacity in your decision-making?

1009
01:42:26,420 --> 01:42:36,760
So comfortable carrying capacity is a component of what we call and what Jordy described as the balance of facilities.

1010
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:44,660
So you need to have an appropriate level of facilities that correspond to the comfortable

1011
01:42:44,660 --> 01:42:49,060
carrying capacity that's being provided and the services that are being provided.

1012
01:42:49,540 --> 01:42:58,900
So that number is a factor in making sure that any component of the decision that

1013
01:42:58,900 --> 01:43:03,100
is made is in support of the services that will be provided.

1014
01:43:03,100 --> 01:43:03,480
The

1015
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:19,140
planers for Teton County Wyoming is the Grand Target Environmental Analysis Section

1016
01:43:20,500 --> 01:43:24,060
in the Teton County Wyoming Land Development Regulations.

1017
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:35,480
Oh, sorry. It's saying in those regulations it states that no part of the 120 private acres of the base area is in the natural resource overlay or scenic resource overlay.

1018
01:43:35,480 --> 01:43:43,000
It is unclear why that is, as the NRO extends just below it, and the habitat in the base

1019
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:48,300
area is an extension of what is inside the NRO. Will Wyoming Planning staff please explain

1020
01:43:48,300 --> 01:43:49,340
if

1021
01:43:53,150 --> 01:43:53,430
you can?

1022
01:43:53,970 --> 01:44:01,190
Well, I think it's a great question. These decisions preview my involvement, but it is

1023
01:44:01,190 --> 01:44:09,030
outside of both of those Indian overlays as indicated. The – I don't know whether

1024
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:15,750
this – whether this process had any influence on decisions affecting the 120 acres or not,

1025
01:44:17,170 --> 01:44:24,550
but it's clearly stated in the adopted master plan amendment that UAs are not required for

1026
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:27,290
or physical development within the PE zone.

1027
01:44:28,290 --> 01:44:32,670
So that's about all I can offer.

1028
01:44:33,070 --> 01:44:34,570
What's not required, did you say?

1029
01:44:34,690 --> 01:44:35,170
I missed that.

1030
01:44:36,490 --> 01:44:37,690
Environmental analysis.

1031
01:44:38,170 --> 01:44:42,710
So it's not just the NRO

1032
01:44:42,710 --> 01:44:45,570
that triggers a requirement for environmental analysis

1033
01:44:45,570 --> 01:44:46,570
at the county level,

1034
01:44:47,570 --> 01:44:50,930
but it is included in this master plan

1035
01:44:50,930 --> 01:44:52,830
that that step isn't required,

1036
01:44:52,830 --> 01:44:56,550
For instance, to pursue a DV,

1037
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:59,750
what would that be a mitigation requirement for?

1038
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,680
There are impacts, for instance, to vegetation or what could be construed as a wildlife habitat.

1039
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:16,220
Was there some kind of agreement between GTR and the T-10 Creek corridor?

1040
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:24,660
You know, in fact, natural resources overload line is a function of a much earlier decision in the 90s and 1994.

1041
01:45:26,440 --> 01:45:42,160
And subsequent to that there was an environmental analysis done. That date is also – that was in 2016, and that was when planning reviewed the concept of whether future EAs would be required or not.

1042
01:45:42,460 --> 01:45:42,800
There's

1043
01:45:44,850 --> 01:45:47,810
a history there that we can investigate potentially.

1044
01:45:48,530 --> 01:45:48,990
Definitely.

1045
01:45:48,990 --> 01:45:58,800
A question for Geordie. Thanks Hamilton. If Targi isn't meant to be a local secret,

1046
01:45:59,060 --> 01:46:05,720
can you share an example of a resort of a similar scale that you envisioned Targi growing into?

1047
01:46:06,500 --> 01:46:12,940
Or otherwise describe your vision for how the resort will continue to serve both locals and visitors?

1048
01:46:12,940 --> 01:46:13,600
an

1049
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:28,150
example of that and but I my point was that it wasn't meant to be it wasn't

1050
01:46:28,150 --> 01:46:37,970
established as like a city park or a county park or like Bridget Bowl or the

1051
01:46:37,970 --> 01:46:45,430
Green Bed Hackers like this community humanity that that didn't really have

1052
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:51,810
to look at necessarily like the P&L and the financial realities and there wasn't an owner

1053
01:46:51,810 --> 01:46:54,950
guaranteeing that on the hook if things didn't go right.

1054
01:46:56,230 --> 01:46:57,530
So that's what I meant.

1055
01:46:57,830 --> 01:47:07,090
It was established to, you know, be a resort and drive business here and, you know, I've

1056
01:47:07,090 --> 01:47:12,170
approached that that way every day to try to do the best job we can.

1057
01:47:12,170 --> 01:47:21,410
So, I mean, there's aspects of other resorts that, there's aspects of a lot of resorts that

1058
01:47:21,410 --> 01:47:32,350
I factor into what I would like to see happen here, but I think the unique opportunity is

1059
01:47:32,350 --> 01:47:41,210
that we can learn from a lot of that and do it differently, and that's my plan.

1060
01:47:41,210 --> 01:47:52,540
so the question I mean not to belabor this but is your vision to continue to

1061
01:47:52,540 --> 01:48:01,940
serve both locals and visitors yes of course okay and then I you've spoken a

1062
01:48:01,940 --> 01:48:07,660
little bit about sort of skier density and I think that is something that you

1063
01:48:07,660 --> 01:48:11,860
might want to touch on here as well like what what is the experience going

1064
01:48:11,860 --> 01:48:16,580
going to be like as a skier or a mountain biker going forward.

1065
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,940
That's your vision for what that looks like.

1066
01:48:23,250 --> 01:48:26,610
Joked about this, and I'm increasingly thinking maybe

1067
01:48:26,610 --> 01:48:27,850
we should actually do this.

1068
01:48:28,050 --> 01:48:34,410
But I would love to load up a couple buses of people here

1069
01:48:35,070 --> 01:48:40,070
and take a field trip to see what other resorts are

1070
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:42,590
providing locals, what the experience is like,

1071
01:48:42,770 --> 01:48:44,230
what they have to pay for it.

1072
01:48:44,230 --> 01:48:49,150
the quality of what we're presenting, the professionalism, etc.

1073
01:48:51,110 --> 01:48:55,370
And, you know, maybe in a slightly disingenuous way,

1074
01:48:55,470 --> 01:48:59,570
people actually do realize that and don't want it to be impacted.

1075
01:49:01,130 --> 01:49:08,430
But, you know, we really are putting out a,

1076
01:49:10,630 --> 01:49:11,030
you know,

1077
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:20,290
I don't like to say a product, but we're putting out an experience that is completely embraceable

1078
01:49:20,290 --> 01:49:29,570
and manageable from a scale standpoint, but that's also, you know, we don't set our

1079
01:49:29,570 --> 01:49:35,750
sights to be like, hey, we want to be 40-second past at what we do, you know?

1080
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:42,710
I mean, I think of the things that we like, or that are ski resort things, our goal is

1081
01:49:42,710 --> 01:49:47,590
to be the best that we can be and to provide the best experience.

1082
01:49:48,450 --> 01:50:00,430
And so, yeah, and as much as it hurts sometimes and gets really personal and all the rest

1083
01:50:00,430 --> 01:50:00,790
of it.

1084
01:50:00,790 --> 01:50:11,350
I mean at the end of the day I lived here too and I consider myself a local and I often get

1085
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:20,170
very conflicted when I pull into the parking lot and my initial reaction is like, oh man

1086
01:50:20,170 --> 01:50:20,730
it's packed.

1087
01:50:21,230 --> 01:50:27,090
I'm like wait hold on, I think that's what we're trying to do here too.

1088
01:50:29,290 --> 01:50:36,090
or you know that there's more than like four cars at the Southern Valley Trailhead you know

1089
01:50:37,010 --> 01:50:43,050
for mountain biking or whatever or you know lots of people on the river but then at the same time

1090
01:50:43,050 --> 01:50:52,070
I do understand what all's gone into that and what our strengths are here and what a lot of

1091
01:50:52,070 --> 01:51:02,640
people have been trying to do to just get this entire area less boom and bust, bust.

1092
01:51:03,480 --> 01:51:06,600
And so, yeah.

1093
01:51:09,020 --> 01:51:12,340
On a different topic, but I've gotten a couple questions on this.

1094
01:51:14,530 --> 01:51:19,450
And again, it's majority, but now it just disappeared.

1095
01:51:19,610 --> 01:51:25,970
But it's basically how do you plan to protect the dark night sky with a restaurant

1096
01:51:25,970 --> 01:51:29,370
or other amenities on the mountain, additional amenities.

1097
01:51:36,140 --> 01:51:39,260
There's no such thing as an invisible ski resort

1098
01:51:39,260 --> 01:51:42,240
and I can see the light from one of our

1099
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:43,860
hard-working groomers right now.

1100
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:49,440
And, you know, there are impacts

1101
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:51,380
when you put a chairlift in.

1102
01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:54,980
There are impacts when you put a road in or a restaurant.

1103
01:51:55,500 --> 01:51:58,620
All that being said, again, I live here.

1104
01:51:58,800 --> 01:51:59,320
I'm a resident.

1105
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:05,260
that I appreciate what this area has to offer

1106
01:52:05,260 --> 01:52:08,260
and I have no intention and I don't think

1107
01:52:08,260 --> 01:52:10,160
I have any track record that suggests

1108
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:15,360
that what I would wanna do is put a spotlight

1109
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:16,500
at the top of the mountain.

1110
01:52:18,440 --> 01:52:20,820
We are subject to the LDRs.

1111
01:52:21,340 --> 01:52:23,340
That is one of the things that we agree to

1112
01:52:23,340 --> 01:52:27,100
that I think is, again, a real testament

1113
01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:36,320
to Teton County Wyoming trying to look out for the greater area. We are subject to the

1114
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:38,580
LDRs. The LDRs do address lighting.

1115
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:47,060
And, you know, I have no intention of wanting to just

1116
01:52:47,060 --> 01:52:52,740
light up the sky. But again, you can't make it invisible. But I think there's a lot of

1117
01:52:52,740 --> 01:52:56,720
things that you can do and a lot of strategies, and we intend to do that.

1118
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:57,260
I'm

1119
01:52:59,790 --> 01:53:04,170
going to give you a little break. This question is for Rob.

1120
01:53:04,330 --> 01:53:06,870
It looks like he's already prepared to answer it.

1121
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:13,050
It has been described that Eco Northwest will report on all the challenges

1122
01:53:13,050 --> 01:53:17,430
and limitations related to generating tax revenue to cover cost of impacts.

1123
01:53:17,810 --> 01:53:22,570
Will Eco Northwest also thoroughly investigate existing opportunities

1124
01:53:22,570 --> 01:53:26,650
use for potential tax revenue, such as local option tax revenue.

1125
01:53:27,650 --> 01:53:35,350
We'd like them to look into that, but the reality is that the cities can have some different

1126
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:40,910
options on localized taxes, but the county is much more limited, and maybe actually

1127
01:53:40,910 --> 01:53:42,470
you could speak better to that, Cindy.

1128
01:53:44,250 --> 01:53:44,770
So...

1129
01:53:44,770 --> 01:53:45,770
Just throw the lateral over to you.

1130
01:53:45,770 --> 01:53:50,490
I mean, the answer to the question is absolutely, we've had a lot of conversations with

1131
01:53:50,490 --> 01:53:52,470
the Econorth West about our current constraints.

1132
01:53:53,050 --> 01:53:55,450
With tax revenue, they've also contacted

1133
01:53:57,650 --> 01:54:01,630
people who work for the Idaho State's Tax Commission

1134
01:54:02,190 --> 01:54:05,750
to better understand what those limitations are

1135
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:09,010
and why they're in place, what laws

1136
01:54:09,390 --> 01:54:12,790
that we're basically operating under as a county.

1137
01:54:13,470 --> 01:54:16,070
And it's obviously political,

1138
01:54:16,110 --> 01:54:18,330
so is there anything we can do about it?

1139
01:54:18,330 --> 01:54:27,130
And from my perspective, being a commissioner for almost seven years, every single year there's a legislative session,

1140
01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:40,030
you know, we discuss as Idaho Association of Counties how to get the legislature to think more open-mindedly about local option taxes.

1141
01:54:40,030 --> 01:54:46,290
So local option taxes are when the voters go to the polls and they say we want to tax

1142
01:54:46,290 --> 01:54:54,290
ourselves either through property tax or in Idaho it's more the cities have the opportunity

1143
01:54:54,290 --> 01:54:56,090
to do a local option sales tax.

1144
01:54:56,730 --> 01:55:00,730
But counties do not currently, no counties in Idaho are allowed to do that.

1145
01:55:02,050 --> 01:55:07,490
Only resort cities are allowed to do it, so it's not every city, it's certain resort

1146
01:55:07,490 --> 01:55:14,230
communities which we are one of, the cities have that ability to do a local option sales tax and a

1147
01:55:14,230 --> 01:55:21,690
local option launching tax. We are working on that as a board with our association and our lobbyists but

1148
01:55:23,890 --> 01:55:33,090
it's you know the chances are slim that we can get this done and anytime soon given the current

1149
01:55:33,090 --> 01:55:39,130
make up on the legislature and their opposition to any kind of new taxes even if they require

1150
01:55:39,130 --> 01:55:39,850
voter approval.

1151
01:55:44,610 --> 01:55:53,210
Next question. This one goes back to the same question, it's revenue related.

1152
01:55:53,830 --> 01:56:01,630
Is there anyone who can answer the prior tax revenue question in terms of what Wyoming,

1153
01:56:01,630 --> 01:56:04,990
I mean, T-10 County, Wyoming might be looking at

1154
01:56:05,690 --> 01:56:07,770
for revenue from this development.

1155
01:56:08,130 --> 01:56:10,110
And maybe there's a comparison to T-10 Village.

1156
01:56:10,910 --> 01:56:13,570
Luther, I mean, I don't know if you're a good one for this,

1157
01:56:13,750 --> 01:56:16,150
but is there any estimate

1158
01:56:16,150 --> 01:56:19,610
on that base area development revenue?

1159
01:56:20,970 --> 01:56:22,170
I have no idea.

1160
01:56:22,430 --> 01:56:24,290
Sorry, I hate to speculate.

1161
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:27,490
Good question for you.

1162
01:56:27,550 --> 01:56:28,910
Good Northwest, I just don't know.

1163
01:56:29,110 --> 01:56:30,190
Okay, thanks.

1164
01:56:31,110 --> 01:56:36,010
Cindy, I would say the same. I have no idea what projected revenues would be. They would

1165
01:56:36,010 --> 01:56:42,590
be certainly based upon the actual sales, when development happens and what the actual

1166
01:56:42,590 --> 01:56:52,250
sales volume is. County sales tax in Teton County is 6%, 4% is to the state, 2% to county.

1167
01:56:53,670 --> 01:56:58,570
If Eco Northwest can project what those sales would be, I think that's a very easy

1168
01:56:58,570 --> 01:57:05,430
calculation from there, speculating about what the actual sales would be, I don't

1169
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:08,010
know that I could do that. We could probably get that information for a

1170
01:57:08,010 --> 01:57:12,510
tea time village by talking to our treasurer, but I don't have that

1171
01:57:12,510 --> 01:57:14,030
information right now. Okay.

1172
01:57:21,530 --> 01:57:22,030
One

1173
01:57:29,780 --> 01:57:30,860
more question.

1174
01:57:43,390 --> 01:57:45,670
This one is for the Forest

1175
01:57:45,670 --> 01:57:52,430
Service. I think we've done pretty well with most of these questions. It might

1176
01:57:52,430 --> 01:57:57,510
be reiterating a little bit of – and clarifying a little bit of what was said earlier, but

1177
01:57:57,510 --> 01:58:02,550
will a representative from the U.S. Forest Service explain whether the base area development

1178
01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:06,490
is being analyzed as a connected action in the draft EIS?

1179
01:58:10,900 --> 01:58:17,700
So I'll start, and Jay can fill in the blanks here, too, but the proposed action that's

1180
01:58:17,700 --> 01:58:24,620
part of this analysis is only for actions on federal land. So the decision will only

1181
01:58:24,620 --> 01:58:31,840
apply to actions on federal land. Connected actions is a term that we also use when it

1182
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:36,940
relates to other authorities. So, you know, many people in your community are familiar

1183
01:58:36,940 --> 01:58:42,220
with the Endangered Species Act. That is an authority that will consider connected

1184
01:58:42,220 --> 01:58:48,220
actions on – regardless of land ownership. The decision space that we're looking

1185
01:58:48,220 --> 01:58:50,500
at is strictly for the federal land piece.

1186
01:58:50,500 --> 01:58:51,840
That

1187
01:58:55,360 --> 01:59:02,100
was a good final clarification because one of the main goals of this town hall was

1188
01:59:02,100 --> 01:59:08,180
really to help people understand the difference between the public land and the private land

1189
01:59:08,180 --> 01:59:14,620
and how those two different areas are connected and separate in terms of their analysis.

1190
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:16,180
So thank you.

1191
01:59:16,180 --> 01:59:24,620
I just want to thank everyone who's offered their time to help educate our community tonight.

1192
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:26,700
The panelists did a great job.

1193
01:59:27,700 --> 01:59:29,140
Thank you all for being here.

1194
01:59:29,900 --> 01:59:36,400
We had, I think at one point up to maybe 130 participants, so we've certainly educated

1195
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:41,180
a lot more people than we probably would have done had we done it in person.

1196
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:43,000
They were able to do it from home.

1197
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:46,200
I plan to do more of these in the future.

1198
01:59:46,500 --> 01:59:49,700
I think we as a county can do a much better job

1199
01:59:49,700 --> 01:59:51,200
about educating our community

1200
01:59:51,710 --> 01:59:54,340
on all sorts of issues we're dealing with at the county,

1201
01:59:54,460 --> 01:59:55,520
not just Grand Turkeys.

1202
01:59:55,900 --> 01:59:58,540
So thanks for kind of being Argani Pigs.

1203
02:00:00,530 --> 02:00:07,170
And for everyone who has participated, we will have a recording of this, I believe.

1204
02:00:08,190 --> 02:00:14,010
I'm not sure if we'll be able to upload it. Again, this is kind of a test run.

1205
02:00:14,410 --> 02:00:21,010
Hopefully, for those who are asking for a recording, we'll be able to provide that.

1206
02:00:21,370 --> 02:00:23,210
But I can't guarantee it at this point.

1207
02:00:25,370 --> 02:00:29,550
Anything that anyone wants to add before we close our meeting, any of the panelists?

1208
02:00:34,430 --> 02:00:40,350
Hey Cindy, this is Mel Bowley. I just want to say thank you for the venue tonight and thanks for the opportunity to be part of the panel.

1209
02:00:41,510 --> 02:00:44,310
Thanks for joining us. Really appreciate it.

1210
02:00:45,150 --> 02:00:45,850
All right.

1211
02:00:46,530 --> 02:00:50,310
Thanks to our presenters. We appreciate it.

1212
02:00:56,260 --> 02:00:57,360
Motion to adjourn.

1213
02:00:58,600 --> 02:00:59,660
I'll move to adjourn.

1214
02:01:03,020 --> 02:01:03,920
I'll second that.

1215
02:01:12,140 --> 02:01:14,080
have a good night, good

1216
02:01:16,510 --> 02:01:17,510
out and see you this weekend.