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I will call the special meeting in the Board of County Commissioners to order. It's November 18, 2024, at 9 a.m.

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Second.

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Second over here.

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I just pointed a point out on the agenda that we have added items from

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our meeting on Wednesday last week.

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the CAC Foundation Grand Agreement,

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and the reading, I know how local groups agree that the, and then we also

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had an executive session. Those were all things we did on Wednesday last week, the agenda,

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on the

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format only the PDFs was not and was essentially blank so we're just going to redo

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those things.

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The other thing is the publishing, when we continue this, we continue

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both hearings till 9 a.m. and one of them says 9.20. It looks like a title change.

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And I, you know,

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probably a men that to say 9 a.m.

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Can we do that?

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Yes.

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We can move that, but can we move it forward?

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Well, it's just, okay, I think that's probably fine.

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We just want to talk about it till 9.20.

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When we continued it, we said 9 a.m. for both.

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And there are two, these two items are tied together.

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The victory of impact update goes with the AOS engine.

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So, I guess we'll just start with the

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area of impact update, so that's the actual code presented by the speaker.

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Before we talk about the sounds.

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I think it would be prudent.

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We'll read the agenda.

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There's been a motion in a second on paper.

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Let's do the CHC.

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Where do you want to just wait till the end?

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Does it matter?

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Do you want to just wait till the end?

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Let's do it later.

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Okay.

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This is a continued public hearing on the Victor area of impact land development code update.

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And we talked about doing this as a work session, so I'd prefer to see that a table there are city of Victor folks.

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So it's good to be.

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The paragraph says the areas impact from Victor constitute unique zoning districts.

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Although located within the jurisdiction of Teton County, the unique zoning, subdivision and land use,

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regulations, where these districts must be negotiated with the cities in accordance with

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adequate codes.

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Which document are you in?

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I'm in that, is that the land development code?

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I'm in the prepared webline document.

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I'm sorry, I think in this section one one be.

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Okay.

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It may be that the page of your PDF versus the page of the document.

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That's kind of things.

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So where are we?

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The second paragraph under be.

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It's all in red line. It was all added by the city, John B. S. The Code. The state code is changed, but it doesn't.

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The circuit paragraph under B under what?

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Chapter one administration, one dash one legal provision,

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purpose and intent, and paragraph two, talks about negotiation,

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is no longer

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suggest to be changing to this, so that we're not reworking at all.

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I mean, we probably should put in the actual new statute that governs aeronautics

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state law

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tells us to do it now.

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districts should be negotiated with the cities, maybe a way to fix it.

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Second paragraph, establishment of the boundaries and areas of impact in unincorporated

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It requires negotiation of an area impact agreement with UC

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and adoption of separate ordinances

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to determine both the boundaries and the specific

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thing in the comments on that, Jade.

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Thank you, Chair.

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I'm, I'm, so you're under seven, three, one, one, be, purpose and intent.

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I see what you're talking about.

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I think that just needs to be eliminated.

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It's a whole thing confusing, because

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members can turn

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in terms of the final decisions that are made.

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And we're not, we're not negotiating, we're looking at the city for recommendations,

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and we have to determine if that's what makes sense for the county,

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other comments on that.

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Under public ability, number one,

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I crossed off the second sentence.

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In this necessary, the sentence is when land is added within the jurisdiction of the county.

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Through the deannexation or sale of public lands, the county will follow all of these procedures to apply to any designation.

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But the victim, the victim error of impact coach, is not telling the county what to do once it becomes county jurisdiction.

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Well, I guess the scenario that the city of victory was maybe trying to get out of here is that it's someone within city limits applies to DNX.

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Does that the intent can?

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Yeah, I need to, I'm sure, through State statute and the county's regular code standards.

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This would be implied and the regular proceedings would be followed.

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So I don't know if it needs to be explicitly outlined.

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I see that sentence is informational and nature.

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It says well instead of shelves, so they're not telling us what to do.

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There are just nothing people know what's going to happen.

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I think it should remain.

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It's referring back to the fact that the county has the jurisdiction.

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comments on the page, this one below here.

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On this next page.

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Under.

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It's actually not under zone districts. It's under applicability, number six, references to other loans,

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whenever provision of the LDC refers to any other part of the T-time County code, or city of Victor Code, or to any other law, the reference applies to any subsequent amendments of that law.

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Is there anywhere in here now, there used to be, but is there anywhere in here now, that refers to city of Victor Cohen?

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Because why would it, to return this whole separate code for the area in a kind?

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Why would we regret this city or even county code?

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This is how it moved this forward.

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And then, under E, effective date, it provides this chapter of the land development code,

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effective on blind by two-time counting ordinance number, and I would cross off and city

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evict your ordinance.

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Maybe it was as straight through, but yeah, hopefully we have the same margin.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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next page, 1-2-3 official zoning amount.

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Jay, I think this is how our code reads, but number three says we have copies of

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the Zoning District boundaries on the website,

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but the originals are kept in the office.

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Really, is that?

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Did that check our code really quick? That seems slightly unnecessary.

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very, you know,

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in sperm with R-Co.

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R-Co does state that the official

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flooding map originals are kept on file with the planning department,

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which is indicates effective date in most recent amendments

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to those district boundaries.

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I think the way this reads is fine,

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it matches the way that R-Co leads as well.

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Is that how we do it?

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Yeah, we would keep the original on file that way and keep the word dispute about the zoning of a property.

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We have an original copy and we keep all the amendments on file as well.

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That discrepancy would only be between the original and the updated GIS or something like that.

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Keep that aligned.

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On a 1-3, A1 and A3, it refers to areas of city impact of the city of Victor, or is there more than one area of city impact?

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For other cities?

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Right, but it is areas of city impact of the city of Victor.

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to be the area of city impact of the city of Victor Shuttertown in A1 and A3 and why the

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prepositional phrase is why not just zoning districts of the city of Victor,

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that's fine.

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This is the implication is there's more than one area of impact for the city of the area.

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just want to be clear that these are the county's overlay maps, and I'm not sure that's totally clear from this paragraph.

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Yeah, maybe we could just press this section in A of this.

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The following T-time county overlay maps shall be used in conjunction with the regulations.

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Any other comments there?

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No.

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Okay, this is next page, we are under

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general authority provisions 1, 6,

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review and approval authority.

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Number two is joint planning and zoning commission.

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The joint planning and zoning commission convenes, this is just a type of case.

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Two here, applications within the city of Victor,

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and ties

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and consists of two members of the county planning and zoning commission and three members of the Victor planning and zoning question.

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Is that how it should be for county jurisdiction?

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I follow the same structure of the joint meetings for the state of Drix.

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So, will we agree to in the city of Drix?

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It doesn't make sense if it's county jurisdiction to be healing that authority to the

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city.

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What is the burden to having some other input from the actual stateholder in the region?

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No, no, the version.

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No, version.

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It's just we've given the city the majority in county jurisdiction.

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There's not even access to these in here.

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It's what it says in here.

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I can't even tell you that's what it says in a great example.

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to take it a word for. I thought we were proposing, I can't remember the math, but I thought it was effectively, like, say, two, two county, one city.

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It's two county, three city. So it's also the five member board. In most cases, B&D is a recommending body.

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I think there's only experiences in maybe traditional uses right now.

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that we have for PNC would be decision makers on and we could have met that.

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So in those cases, they're recommending body and BOCC makes the final vote.

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I think those numbers should be flipped.

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Okay, with the three in the two, it just should be flipped the other way.

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Three counting into city.

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Yes, further context.

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This is what the city of Drake's has been doing since 2007.

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that's where those are hurt will. And we did approve these same numbers for the

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city of drinks and they're updated A.O.I. so it's fine if we switch

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numbers but just know it would be a different configuration than what the

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city of drinks is done and I know we're trying to streamline things a little bit

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or the counties planning department.

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I think it's fine if we switch those numbers

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But I did just want to point out the difference.

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I think that we should switch the numbers.

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I think we should also switch the numbers for drapes,

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but we can address that later date.

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I agree.

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The show was an oversight.

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We may need to make it again.

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A joint ANZ is a good idea.

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Yes, we've been doing it with drapes.

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Not opposed to the idea, but it is counting jurisdiction.

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And we could just have it go in county, PNZ,

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that would be the other options.

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I'd like this, I think, important here.

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And this counter jurisdiction,

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Tricks was operating under a whole different arrangement

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in the past.

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They were using theirs on the anyway.

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So, right.

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We need to switch that to the consistent degree there.

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This is in under B,

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during cleaning and zoning commissioners,

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of powers and duties identified in the planning nights.

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I think we should put blue breath.

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I don't know if this would be the first time we would show up,

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but local land use planning nights,

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it's a big amount.

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We're planning that every first one.

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And there's a couple of questions

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under three,

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the planning planning administrator,

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A, the county planning administrator,

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there, all there does mean has the powers and duties, so this has to just insert the

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empty landing pressure under a little A,

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leaving us,

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to do you have anything else there?

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I'm basically skipping to zone districts for my next moment, chapter two.

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Just to check the box, do you have to open a second public hearing because it was noticed

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that way?

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The 920, the 920, I should talk to her about zoning discrecies.

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Sure, I mean, we're in deliberation on both public hearings.

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Sure, but thank you.

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I'm just building the suspenders.

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Uh-huh.

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How would you think that would be?

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Because my pants don't want to fall down.

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So we are deliberating to the language,

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right?

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These continued public hearings for the Victor area of impact update in the Victor area of impact zone change

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and currently just looking at the the proposed code for the area of impact we will get to the zone

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zones for the zones for the area of impact.

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This hearing was continued just some October

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We did hear public comment.

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Let's see what you see, Victor, participants here today, also in the comment.

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Chair, maybe for clarification.

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You know, after this word session, we would re-node this everything before adoption was my understanding.

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was my understanding. Just given that the materials are materially changing. I don't

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digital district.

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The second under A,

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I'll take the second to last

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panel, says owners, residents, and other users of property, adjoining

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agriculture, agriculture, zone, land, should expect inconvenience, discomfort

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and the possibility of injury to property and health arising from normal

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and accepted agricultural practices and operations.

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There's allowed in our district,

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such as keeping the livestock production.

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I am not like super comfortable with that language.

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That language comes straight from the right department act.

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But we can reference the law rather than having the language in there.

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That's what you prefer.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, it's not our

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county law.

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If we remember if it's state law.

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What do you want to say right to farm act applies on your snow period?

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I mean, I don't know, why do we need to say it?

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If it just exists, kind of like saying, you know, stealing your neighbor's cows is not allowed.

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You know,

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we need to be in there.

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To call it out.

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Typically, in some of the language we've used, we've not only said right to farm, but we've a band of life.

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What that means, I don't think it's

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the way it is.

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No, not the way it is.

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You don't need to paraphrase the ad, you just refer the ad.

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Yeah, okay.

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And then the last sentence, the references to the R are district.

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You must have an older version, we did a work session earlier that we did update the names

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of the districts to the zone one and zone two of the counties coming to the district.

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So,

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what is your 2.2 I can call this?

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So, there's the 2.5-acre area of impacts on one,

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ALI-20 area of impacts on two,

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and then what the new one that we're proposing is ALI-10-3.

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What version do you do?

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I'm looking at the red line.

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I'm looking at the concerned red line.

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What does it say for at 2.2?

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From the beginning?

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Just that text that I'm heading.

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This is AOI-2.5, area of impact zone 1.

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This now.

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Even though we were moving on, you would reference that as so.

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Crackers are saying, okay.

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Underbee, dimensional standards, number 5.

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The city of Victor shall be exempt from minimal loss.

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We already removed those per year request in the last work session.

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So five is till we out.

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The city is not exempt from falling in those.

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Yeah, I'll see that.

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Okay, so you guys are in five.

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On what?

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I mean, it's seven.

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Sorry.

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Under our agenda items.

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I'm

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going to attach my number 7 to a weird line.

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Okay.

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We're friends, students that haven't already been remembered.

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This is the latest and greatest grid.

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Yes.

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Do not ask me that question.

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There's a, I'm not really far.

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I'm not a map guy, frankly.

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Such a.

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So what I'm just saying is right.

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Attachment.

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There isn't a way.

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Attachment 5 is without the red lights.

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Including you all.

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This is the 12th time.

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We've got it.

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That's a question.

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Three, so we eliminated AOI 20 and taken it all the 10.

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There's 2.5, 20, and 10.

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10 is the zone three that the cities are proposing that would be a bit more of an average density

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with requires some kind of medication to help in space or application of agriculture.

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But I just wanted to confirm that the 20 and the 2.5 did not have the average density associated with them.

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The 10s have really confusing one.

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I think we're going to end up spending more time on that.

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I don't particularly think it's a good idea to come up with a whole new zoning designation for a few parcels in the city.

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Victor and I talked about, we'll get to that.

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You can discuss

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a few point three,

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10.

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Did we want to say in that first,

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for the second sentence,

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residences are allowed on large agricultural

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persons within the county,

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or do we want to reference a line at the act?

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Did you meant to say county?

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The first sentence.

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Either way, that shouldn't change the meaning

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of a girer graph.

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You just have consistency.

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because the first is finding the way.

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The intent of the A.O.I. 20,

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the A.O.I. 10.

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Is there any other comments on the 2.5 or the 20th?

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No.

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This is the A.O.I. 10.

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This 2.4 area, an impact.

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Victor,

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is it supposed to say Victor Natural Resources

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a residential cluster?

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Nope.

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It is just a very, very appropriate.

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When

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we,

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this was in many of the earlier versions of the ALI proposal,

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so I just want to make sure that the county, this planning department and

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the commissioners here are comfortable with this

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additional zone in the Victor area, then that requires

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is space to be managed by the county. There's three different ownership options. It can be owned and by a single ownership.

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Ownership is, I'm just talking about management.

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Ownership management to open space.

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Owned by a single owner by a land trust.

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And then the configuration of the open space, open space priorities, and uses, I can all

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have these, they can all be put or finished, they can all be managed by those same

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ownership groups.

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It doesn't specifically say that anything would be under specific ownership or management

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of the BLCC or the county.

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It does talk about in regards to the configuration and the uses that there's some authority in regards to subdivisions.

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I think that I am confused by the term ownership. When someone does a subdivision, the ownership doesn't change.

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That would be correct. The ownership of the open space can be a single landowner including

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HLA or if they choose to dedicate to the sea of County or any other land trust in regards to

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the long-term ownership and maintenance on the property.

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So let's look at the specific language.

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That is under,

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really, mine makes it a little bit more confusing.

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So

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it starts with the amount of open stuff.

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All right, let's just go back to how men and women,

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how density and open space is being proposed.

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And this is up.

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The staff report has a few records.

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References and regards to actual acreage scenarios. If that's easier to follow.

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So, the examples that are provided is if there's a 40 acre parcel that would be using the 10 acre average that a 25% dedication would be required and it would allow for four buildable loss.

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So, 40 divided by that time, would get you that.

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However, the residents would be on a smaller portion.

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As only 25% of that would be dedicated open space,

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and they could go under any type of configuration

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with the minimum size of one acre.

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Then the other scenario would be,

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a 50% dedication,

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and then they'd be able to use a five acre average

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to determine a total of eight building lots.

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that 50% would be 20 acres of dedicated open space with eight residential lots in

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any other average configuration of the remaining 20 again with a minimum size of one

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acre.

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Okay, where are you reading for this is page three and four of the staff report of the city

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staff report that is a county staff report in the city staff report.

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We're

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really concerned about how this could be implemented and speaking for 30 years working

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with land trust.

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They don't most land trust, including one more, one more, except the property less than

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48 years.

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They also require an endowment to some kind to provide them with the means to do the stewardship.

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I would think that the city is administering it, they would also need some sort of

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need to assure that they could provide the stewardship that they do the annual check

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up or whatever on the property.

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So in any case, you need to be some provisions that allow for implementation when

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I just looks really difficult for me to implement.

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I like the intent, but with acreages this small, it's hard for me to see how it could be done.

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It's, I would guess it would have to fall back to the city, because I don't think most

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agencies would take it off.

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But it can, because it's county jurisdiction.

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So it is the county that has to enforce implement, steward, managed, what does the funding count

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to do?

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I don't see any other values.

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You guys already have a number of subdivisions that include open space through PUDs that

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managed and maintained by the homeless associations which would be allowed in this configuration as well.

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I think the difference is that when we had a PUD ordinance we required that the HOA managed the open space.

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I do, I am a little confused about the ownership and convey in structure of the open space.

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And if you have, if you're the landowner and you have these options, I'm sure you're immediately

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going to just say, well, I can be this to the county or, you know, to take care of it and

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come to that cost.

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Because I mean, we have to accept it as well.

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I guess I would wonder about, like, if this is the county's AOI code, then the county doesn't

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accept open space, the offer to it, then what happens?

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Are

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you organized within the individual development agreements case by case for these subdivisions?

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It could even be conveyed to the city.

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Or the city or a land trust?

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Did you just hear what Mr. Repilson?

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Well, the land trust might not be interested because he's intimately

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extubable.

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Determined, yeah, why

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concern that?

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You're able to meet the terms of the code, the way it's written.

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on

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the ownership of

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the safety tube,

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aren't they kind of like little quasi-many PUDs,

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if someone actually developed it in this way.

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And we don't hold on that PUD up in the right, but it's designated.

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We got rid of PUDs for a reason.

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They're not easy to manage.

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We live at Tito's frames.

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That book is basically Tito's frames.

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Violated the PUD terms, particularly with that horse pasture.

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And so I don't think T-tons produce a good example by about like,

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but I'm like, it's like a box frame.

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It's a box frame.

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It's a traditional community.

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There's no valve and to do that on anything in box frame.

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So if you take box frames, which is a textbook, PUD,

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it's plated with 25% lots, 75% open space,

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and that's the end of it.

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What is the county,

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do with fox brain's open space, how does it?

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Jay, did you explain that?

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The PUD.

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The open space is required to be managed by the nature eye.

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What does the manage mean?

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What we manage?

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It depends.

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But Jay, can you chime in?

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Yeah.

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I think this is where the challenge with our PUD ordinance was,

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is that we have to allow the HLAs to manage the open space,

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And we sign off on there, initial open space management plan,

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whatever that may look like.

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It depends on the application I suppose.

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But then it's up to the H-O-A to enforce and maintain

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and from the county side of things, we see a lot of them

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that are just not.

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And we do see a site from noxious weeds.

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So for example, I would

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be thinking about

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it.

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Right now, we don't.

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We don't

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do a good job of

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it.

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We don't do a good job of it.

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You know, we would need to like,

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create a position

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of what we do.

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I mean, we need to just down on or something to provide the structure.

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Can that happen through that?

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Yeah,

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if we keep this provision,

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I would suggest articulating some sort of

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endowment for open space management

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if it's within

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teach on county overlay areas,

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So, including, you know, wetland, so I guess there's not many wetlands in the Victoria Y or wetland

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to have a habitat, but the immigration corridor is onward, those things.

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Line of agriculture is allowed as one of the uses, too, right,

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and I'll turn the suggestion

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or we'll be married to those ten acres right here, you know,

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any other vision like the

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ten acres like you said, I don't know, and I know many people concerned about it, a land

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trust or conservation compliance is smaller. Yeah, there's chunks of that that are already in

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conservation easements.

502
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,820
Specifically, we're having a big time by their conservation. Yeah.

503
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:27,240
If there were multiple parcels that had continued as open space, that added up to something,

504
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:34,700
then it conserving severely interest might be interesting. But for tiny little parcels,

505
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:37,640
You know, they're not going to take that on.

506
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,780
That's just two burdens of the stewardship tour.

507
00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:47,730
You're dealing with, you're dealing with, you have to recognize that.

508
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:54,270
Maybe the initial landowner to one of these is agreeable to what was done,

509
00:55:54,550 --> 00:55:57,150
but the subsequent landowners often disputed it.

510
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:59,510
So it's just a can of worms sometimes.

511
00:56:00,590 --> 00:56:05,830
And I think this is pretty much a long-awaited floor as a part of what the public had.

512
00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:06,570
Correct.

513
00:56:07,410 --> 00:56:10,990
It is mostly flat than kind of the justification.

514
00:56:11,290 --> 00:56:14,450
The city has for choosing the zoning district as opposed to others.

515
00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:19,490
Is that it's still within the natural resources over lay district.

516
00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:25,750
So even though the slopes don't exist, the overlay district still applies to these parcels.

517
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:30,600
Correct.

518
00:56:32,810 --> 00:56:37,910
Again, do you guys have the alternative you refer to this piece?

519
00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:38,770
Sorry.

520
00:56:39,210 --> 00:56:41,050
And one of the lots, I guess, is a related question.

521
00:56:41,810 --> 00:56:45,730
The goal from my perspective on the regulators to assign city,

522
00:56:46,030 --> 00:56:47,810
hurts are accounting zones.

523
00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:50,070
Not a whole million zones.

524
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:51,050
Yes.

525
00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:55,370
A completely different style of approval process.

526
00:56:56,110 --> 00:57:00,330
And I'm not comfortable with some of the

527
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:05,590
I think

528
00:57:07,610 --> 00:57:13,090
we're just talking about this.

529
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:14,570
These terms are correct.

530
00:57:14,810 --> 00:57:15,470
Some two to ten.

531
00:57:16,030 --> 00:57:17,230
The ten is on the middle.

532
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:24,930
But if you, how full.

533
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:28,330
Some maybe look at the proposed AOI's own math.

534
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:34,900
All

535
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:38,090
right.

536
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:39,550
I can share my screen.

537
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:40,390
That's helpful.

538
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:41,310
So

539
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:01,700
this is just the zoning map for area of impact within the AOI.

540
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,000
There's the other map for parcels composed to be removed.

541
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:05,560
I'm

542
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:27,530
going to be talking about that on some piece, IDL, and

543
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:39,990
then the city annex.

544
00:58:40,830 --> 00:58:48,490
I mean, I'm just thinking it through that city intends to annex that green, all of it,

545
00:58:48,910 --> 00:58:51,130
but we're looking at the green area in particular.

546
00:58:51,830 --> 00:58:55,150
So the city intends to annex that

547
00:59:01,140 --> 00:59:04,880
is the sort of clustering that you're talking about.

548
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,440
but it means to tie them into season or not.

549
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,000
It would be a much easier route than something that's going to be here.

550
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,340
And how's the spread all over the place?

551
00:59:15,860 --> 00:59:17,400
And then how would we, in the county,

552
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:23,160
if the county were trying to accommodate that future

553
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,620
and annexation in a subdivision application?

554
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:35,420
Then the open space would really maybe not be where the open space needs

555
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:39,480
to be able to be more, where the city entrance just sees

556
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,300
sewer and water services would dictate where the homes

557
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:45,120
are in the cluster.

558
00:59:49,350 --> 00:59:51,470
The money in the case that I would also think

559
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:54,750
that maybe to make that particular zone

560
00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:58,070
meaningful would have to be a scripture requirement

561
00:59:58,070 --> 00:59:58,730
for the cluster.

562
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:04,020
If it's

563
01:00:07,540 --> 01:00:08,800
true now here, Kim, but

564
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:20,820
it's a bunch of technical parcels and they can put a home anywhere on the technical parcel. As long as they have 25% on the space.

565
01:00:24,140 --> 01:00:25,340
Somewhere else.

566
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:40,580
Somewhere in that ten acres. It'd be lots more manageable. It'd be better for the provision of services, sewer and water, and provide more meaningful open space.

567
01:00:40,580 --> 01:00:51,800
if there were requirements that it'd be clustered in some way so that buildings are together

568
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,920
and spaces to continue to.

569
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:06,840
Yeah, I think we're struggling with the implementation and having to determine what the goal

570
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:15,740
is for that cluster such as space and how to actually manage it and so that it's.

571
01:01:15,740 --> 01:01:30,280
I mean, everybody serves me directly as the city of Jackson or T.T. on County, tried to form a independent of the Jacksonland Trust, they formed a local city preserve.

572
01:01:30,540 --> 01:01:31,660
City preserve dress.

573
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:34,080
It can work.

574
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:36,360
It's.

575
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,740
And for these kinds of reasons.

576
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:42,820
They kind of manage that.

577
01:01:42,820 --> 01:01:44,500
So there's that there they have.

578
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:47,640
They have those designated scenic prison chest lands.

579
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,440
and they were like bits of carcels

580
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,260
of required open space,

581
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,560
which is kind of a little part of us.

582
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:01,140
Yes.

583
01:02:01,140 --> 01:02:04,560
And then the county is supposed to be managing that.

584
01:02:05,380 --> 01:02:05,710
But they didn't.

585
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,520
Do you know what is managing that now?

586
01:02:10,420 --> 01:02:10,800
Is it anyone?

587
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:11,940
I don't know.

588
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,500
There is under 4D required open space.

589
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:24,920
must be adjacent to neighboring areas of designated open space or other protected areas such

590
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:31,880
as areas designated by the county natural resource overlay or FEMA flood lanes.

591
01:02:32,460 --> 01:02:39,380
So that does help in regards to where these would be from the parent parcel as someone was going

592
01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:40,980
for the subdivisions to process,

593
01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:41,880
but to

594
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:56,630
language in terms of how building

595
01:02:57,110 --> 01:03:02,120
all the little church cluster would, I think, work.

596
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:11,580
But the other option is to say, sort of, sort of.

597
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,160
You know, just curious, is it, is it, like,

598
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,200
between living, if it's good, even though at the time,

599
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,980
a year, some of them going to the 28th or the 2.5,

600
01:03:22,380 --> 01:03:23,500
probably, apparently, is the perspective.

601
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:34,440
like what's better in the solution to the wildlife overlays, etc.

602
01:03:36,540 --> 01:03:38,820
I mean, I think the term maybe is it's

603
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,610
quite figure out how to implement a term.

604
01:03:47,450 --> 01:03:48,890
There's something like that.

605
01:03:49,710 --> 01:03:49,890
Yeah.

606
01:04:03,180 --> 01:04:04,540
How is that current this one?

607
01:04:06,590 --> 01:04:07,250
2.5.

608
01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:16,580
And that's the area that the current ALA that's outside of the county's political zone.

609
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:17,220
Correct.

610
01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:17,900
So

611
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:25,000
if you're joining, put those on, there's a 20, 20, 20 right.

612
01:04:25,780 --> 01:04:26,820
So we're getting ready for it.

613
01:04:27,740 --> 01:04:28,920
Correct. Yeah, that's what it's about.

614
01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:29,200
Correct. Yeah, that's what it's about.

615
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,120
What do you want that area?

616
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,900
So the buzz is an attempt to make a compromise.

617
01:04:35,660 --> 01:04:35,680
Correct.

618
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,960
Based on the public comments, that's ever been even, like, in the blood,

619
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,280
in such a powerful public comment,

620
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:47,280
with the way I know they're basically saying that you wanted the same thing.

621
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:48,440
That's true.

622
01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:59,640
I kind of agree with the idea of having that

623
01:05:03,350 --> 01:05:19,510
intermediate zone, just, it needs to be, I think, you can still allow some density without allowing scattered density that makes the open space meaningless. That's the point, I think.

624
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:27,330
So there's a way to require clustering, you've done it somewhat where you say required

625
01:05:27,330 --> 01:05:30,510
open space, must have joined in the neighboring areas of open space,

626
01:05:41,570 --> 01:05:43,770
a little density, but cluster it.

627
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:58,180
I don't believe so, so the configuration of open space number four is kind of that we would

628
01:05:58,180 --> 01:06:01,540
want to beef this up if we thought that the more language was needed, this is probably

629
01:06:01,540 --> 01:06:02,700
with the space to do it.

630
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,900
It includes the reference that we talked about,

631
01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:07,680
where SV adjacent to other open space.

632
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,560
It does have to have a minimum of 100 feet weights,

633
01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:14,400
so it can't be like a long narrow strip of open space.

634
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,540
That 100 feet could be expanded,

635
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,900
but I think it's generally adequate for working around

636
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:24,740
violent corridors and development together.

637
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,180
And then, see, can probably be adjusted.

638
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:39,280
Most of the language came from the city's hillside zoning, which has similar provisions.

639
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,520
And we have over 200 acres of development.

640
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,180
I don't know if there's even a single parcel.

641
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,580
Is 200 acres of all of this?

642
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:58,100
So that could probably be adjusted to combate some of the concerns that we have.

643
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,180
is the city plan to annex these millions?

644
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:17,140
Not all at once.

645
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:22,800
There's probably three of these that we probably

646
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:27,240
be willing to accept in the next few years if they

647
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,400
submit applications for them.

648
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,380
The city will not actively be more

649
01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:32,640
than annexing any properties.

650
01:07:37,570 --> 01:07:39,670
What's the vision for this area,

651
01:07:40,330 --> 01:07:44,070
according to the city

652
01:07:46,030 --> 01:07:51,250
It has it labelled within our ALI as transitional, so something that would remain

653
01:07:51,250 --> 01:07:58,070
at a cultural until it was annexed, and then the annexation provisions for this area include

654
01:07:59,170 --> 01:08:06,550
a material or pathway along the somewhere, I guess, really anywhere within this zoning

655
01:08:07,310 --> 01:08:28,740
I'm kind of right at the edge of the foothills and kind of residential on one side of that pathway and a trail item and open space or agricultural on the opposite so something immediately adjacent to those foothills would remain in some type of open space or agricultural uses kind of a line of comprehensive plan.

656
01:08:28,740 --> 01:08:35,580
So you want it to be rural, rural county, so this is a way to

657
01:08:38,810 --> 01:08:40,170
put a book for the city.

658
01:08:41,670 --> 01:08:44,570
But is that the point of the area of impact?

659
01:08:44,650 --> 01:08:52,020
Is the point of the area of impact to buffer the city or

660
01:08:55,480 --> 01:08:57,400
designate where the city is going to grow?

661
01:08:59,210 --> 01:09:04,730
I mean, it feels like this is being used to buffer the city with more agriculture in open space.

662
01:09:05,190 --> 01:09:08,490
Which I don't really agree with, but is that the tool we should be using?

663
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:14,360
But somebody, right now it's just one lot.

664
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:15,620
It's 10 acre minimum.

665
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:18,100
The rest is really just kind of a dense deep on us.

666
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:18,960
There's your book.

667
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:22,860
I mean, could somebody just go and build one house on 10 acres?

668
01:09:23,020 --> 01:09:23,300
Yes.

669
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,300
So it's amazing.

670
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,120
If it comes out of the area, then in fact, it's days of the county,

671
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,480
with the main sale date, it's 2.5.

672
01:09:32,980 --> 01:09:35,960
No, it would be one of the only zoning, so probably.

673
01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:37,660
I would have to find it right away.

674
01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:46,760
Yeah, I would say that it is an offer and I think the person I think the answer would be yes to both of those.

675
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:56,710
You got to have some sort of transition between your 20 acre hillside.

676
01:10:01,130 --> 01:10:02,990
What do you think of what this is?

677
01:10:05,730 --> 01:10:06,270
Oh, I think town.

678
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:09,530
Especially whether it's county or C.

679
01:10:10,730 --> 01:10:12,130
That's the transition zone.

680
01:10:19,420 --> 01:10:20,200
We need the city.

681
01:10:20,940 --> 01:10:22,260
Thank you.

682
01:10:22,940 --> 01:10:26,360
Most of our overall users specifically are around that.

683
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:32,100
on the downtown. We don't have any, I don't really like, we have a whole site, so I'm going to just write it

684
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:39,280
down.

685
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:49,640
Nonsense, I don't know, Jay. Anything that would be in the natural resources of the county is where we're kind of the intent of the health side, so I'm going for the city.

686
01:10:49,820 --> 01:10:58,800
So these were the annex, the health side, something district within the city is the most likely zoning district that we would assign.

687
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:04,660
Of course, anyone would be able to enjoy application of annexation and resounding and robust

688
01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:08,020
specific zoning district if they had a subdivision plan in mind.

689
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:17,640
What's the, um, do you do the, um, what's your hillside zoning district, zone density,

690
01:11:18,020 --> 01:11:20,040
in the requirements for open stuff?

691
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:21,700
It's this exact provision.

692
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:32,600
on the scale of how this one has the 10, 10 acre average, which 25% dedication of open space,

693
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:41,440
5% or 5 acre average with a 50% and then we also have a specific to city limits because it

694
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:48,260
has to be required to connect to city sewer and sewer and water services. 75% dedicated open space

695
01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:55,840
with a 2.5 acre average regards to determining the number of parcels.

696
01:11:56,940 --> 01:12:02,480
The lot sizes that would be able to be significantly smaller about ordering her to be able

697
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:08,080
to connect to CSA or water services to that offset that with 75% of their open space.

698
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,600
How many acres of land are in that district?

699
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:20,540
I don't know if I can, but the, the large one in the middle is just under 80, so if that's 80, we're looking at

700
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,620
about 320 acres.

701
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:35,720
So

702
01:12:38,090 --> 01:12:47,970
just for context, I put up some current zoning maps and also have included our natural resource overlay.

703
01:12:47,970 --> 01:12:54,710
I guess the one that just recently adopted, but yet to be effective is essentially the same in this area.

704
01:12:56,210 --> 01:13:04,030
You can see here this is where the current ALI boundary is and the county zoning begins for that foot hose 20.

705
01:13:06,230 --> 01:13:13,670
I just let's take this off really quick and also pull off the zoning and just take a look at it.

706
01:13:14,210 --> 01:13:19,690
I'll just do slopes and not the full topography, but you can see it also kind of flattened

707
01:13:19,690 --> 01:13:25,930
out in this area and maybe doesn't completely match the characteristics of a foot

708
01:13:25,930 --> 01:13:27,230
house 20.

709
01:13:28,330 --> 01:13:30,870
Some of it maybe does, but maybe not all of it.

710
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:55,090
It used to be

711
01:14:08,820 --> 01:14:09,560
really subtle.

712
01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:09,820
I

713
01:14:21,630 --> 01:14:26,410
mean, what Jay used to put up to extend again to that.

714
01:14:27,010 --> 01:14:31,370
And then what I've heard from the farmers in this area is that there's also a very unique

715
01:14:31,370 --> 01:14:35,270
for my growth finance, what it makes it very apt to specialty

716
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:42,340
dedicated.

717
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,560
I know, I know, fall circle, farm does.

718
01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:18,420
Poll circle, can you have to imagine, how many of those funds?

719
01:15:22,370 --> 01:15:24,690
Yes, we know, it's just, practically, and I don't know.

720
01:15:26,130 --> 01:15:29,230
Yeah, and that's in the city, we've been with the rest of the community.

721
01:15:30,010 --> 01:15:37,370
We jade, what was that? Brown, overlay, had their previously, to the central resources of the community?

722
01:15:37,370 --> 01:15:39,650
which is all over all of this.

723
01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:42,450
Yeah, specifically the Brown is from being migration

724
01:15:42,450 --> 01:15:43,610
or taking

725
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,560
migration and those other

726
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,740
and those which are being partoration.

727
01:16:03,730 --> 01:16:05,550
Any other comments on that?

728
01:16:08,260 --> 01:16:10,960
How do we resolve it?

729
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,820
I mean, it's a clear moment back to 10 in this,

730
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:15,460
as well as this.

731
01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:17,160
Yeah, it is a special thing.

732
01:16:19,220 --> 01:16:21,600
Yeah, I mean, I think it sounds like, as you say,

733
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:29,940
It's you're trying to fit two different boxes, which is why we created a unique summoning

734
01:16:29,940 --> 01:16:30,080
distance.

735
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:30,960
And I appreciate that.

736
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,760
I think it's worth it.

737
01:16:34,460 --> 01:16:39,000
Well, it sounds like minimum leader should pay a little more of the definition of clustering.

738
01:16:45,820 --> 01:16:53,200
I think if we redefined or added to the clustering definition a little bit and then also

739
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,280
We visited the ownership component, and maybe just said,

740
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,380
possibly managed by an H.O.A.,

741
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,380
it sounds like it doesn't.

742
01:17:01,740 --> 01:17:03,840
Or it wouldn't make sense for conservation,

743
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:07,340
easements, given the size, potentially,

744
01:17:08,780 --> 01:17:13,280
and ensuring that the city or the county isn't,

745
01:17:13,820 --> 01:17:16,000
financially held to open space management.

746
01:17:35,670 --> 01:17:39,370
Commissioner Whitfield, could you talk a little bit more

747
01:17:39,370 --> 01:17:42,230
about and in Commissioner Regal as well.

748
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:46,730
Could we talk a little bit more about definitions

749
01:17:46,730 --> 01:17:52,390
to the cluster in section that would codify this better

750
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:54,610
and get the intended results?

751
01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:02,330
Well, the intent, as I would say, it would be

752
01:18:02,330 --> 01:18:07,550
to create as much continuous open spaces possible,

753
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:11,070
while also allowing some density and trying

754
01:18:11,070 --> 01:18:17,490
keep the density as more towards the city, the existing city, and the open space toward the

755
01:18:17,490 --> 01:18:17,930
foothills.

756
01:18:19,470 --> 01:18:25,970
These animals, particularly the elk, they'll come down into those axles, they do to

757
01:18:27,250 --> 01:18:30,310
forage when they, because they green up faster than the stuff up on them.

758
01:18:38,090 --> 01:18:40,150
I get there in terms of zoning.

759
01:18:59,500 --> 01:19:04,180
Obsessions to this are going to be like C1, the clustering should be, you know, I think

760
01:19:04,180 --> 01:19:16,860
It needs to be reworded, but I think the intent of using roads because we have the existing roads that are already on the west portions of that so being close to the roads.

761
01:19:17,340 --> 01:19:22,460
I think is one indication saying if it's towards the city, it could be another indication.

762
01:19:24,340 --> 01:19:32,300
Clustering, just almost like a priority list that should be checked that you can review this as someone submitting a subdivision application for this area.

763
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:37,700
I'd be like, okay, well, you've met these items and these items and you're good or

764
01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:41,660
hey, you've met this item and this item but you haven't met this item, can we try to shuffle

765
01:19:41,660 --> 01:19:45,340
some of the lots around to get more of the open space together and actually have something

766
01:19:45,340 --> 01:19:47,600
in the language to point to on that.

767
01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:58,690
If any of the lots are in the natural resource over the way which most of them are,

768
01:20:07,050 --> 01:20:07,910
they would be

769
01:20:10,670 --> 01:20:13,930
So, we have that's a great advantage.

770
01:20:14,170 --> 01:20:17,890
That's why I'm using this subdivision requirement in addition to these items,

771
01:20:24,350 --> 01:20:25,650
and building envelopes,

772
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,220
avoidance of the most critical aspects.

773
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:33,060
That's a good point too.

774
01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:38,040
There should be some provision around designated building envelopes too often.

775
01:20:47,540 --> 01:20:48,000
I

776
01:20:53,210 --> 01:20:55,650
think a lot of them will be in there.

777
01:20:55,650 --> 01:20:56,350
Is that a doctor?

778
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:57,870
Oh, not a 12.

779
01:20:59,230 --> 01:20:59,950
Mm-hmm.

780
01:20:59,970 --> 01:21:00,270
Great.

781
01:21:02,710 --> 01:21:04,110
You said I'm a 12?

782
01:21:04,670 --> 01:21:05,850
So I can find that on that part.

783
01:21:05,970 --> 01:21:06,630
I can't find that on that part.

784
01:21:25,650 --> 01:21:28,730
I think ultimately it will appear very well, but I'll be through that.

785
01:21:33,780 --> 01:21:38,220
And there is a reference to the management as well.

786
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:41,040
Great.

787
01:21:54,410 --> 01:21:55,460
But it doesn't convey.

788
01:21:55,460 --> 01:21:59,280
You know, like the conveyance was my biggest issue.

789
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:09,660
We need to do management and we plan to ownership in the hands of the land owners.

790
01:22:23,740 --> 01:22:24,980
We'll see a new version.

791
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:26,600
Yes.

792
01:22:30,660 --> 01:22:36,740
I mean, it's not going to be easy still because it's a different zone, but we can...

793
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:51,500
Again, thankfully, it's only about 320, 240 acres, so it would be only subdivisions within those

794
01:22:51,500 --> 01:22:58,040
themselves will be impacted by this. And hopefully they choose to annex instead and use the

795
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:02,340
whole site to get further density and utilities, but we'll leave that up to the property

796
01:23:02,340 --> 01:23:04,180
and there's some of what they choose to do.

797
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:13,700
Stuff in here is uses if we're done with that.

798
01:23:16,930 --> 01:23:25,370
At what point would the commission like to talk about the general AOI boundary, say no, let's

799
01:23:25,370 --> 01:23:29,310
Was it a large point of conversation there in the public hearings?

800
01:23:29,710 --> 01:23:33,200
I'm going to start it on

801
01:23:35,850 --> 01:23:36,450
document.

802
01:23:36,450 --> 01:23:37,370
I don't

803
01:23:40,830 --> 01:23:44,050
necessarily want to get back to the boundary.

804
01:24:08,450 --> 01:24:09,010
These provisions.

805
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:16,820
I mostly get over this because you're not skipped over.

806
01:24:17,060 --> 01:24:19,540
But I don't, I didn't match it.

807
01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:25,920
So, the main thing is as you go through,

808
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:34,580
You can see that we as far as use standards in individual uses, there wasn't too many changes.

809
01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:44,840
There can be some additions or subtractions but nothing majorly impactful within the individual use standards.

810
01:24:45,380 --> 01:24:54,860
The bigger impact that you're going to see is where we were moved uses from AOI, mainly because these uses are either going to be

811
01:24:54,860 --> 01:25:11,140
Some type of higher load demand on the property or something of a higher density or commercial use that could change the parcel enough to make it where it would be very difficult or challenging for it to be annexed

812
01:25:11,140 --> 01:25:18,160
or at the point of annexation with the challenge to provide appropriate services or work around these types of uses.

813
01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:29,300
So commercial lifestyle processing was the first one on the list to be removed, but at where we

814
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:35,880
three, four, one. So this would be a few pages in. So you can see that kind of short-term

815
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:44,480
wrinkles. We made a few minor amendments mainly in regards to RVs that an RV cannot be used for

816
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:51,020
official short-term rental, but it could be someone brought in RV, they couldn't store it there,

817
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:59,280
but clarify those items. And then I think in the last two that are on there were recent changes

818
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:07,240
that were added by the county code amendments. So you'll see that all county code amendments are also

819
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:13,120
represented in here as well as to what, a sub-sector and use standards under short-term rentals

820
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:17,140
that there's no more than one dwelling for property that can be used for short-term

821
01:26:17,140 --> 01:26:25,060
metals and the permit number must be within the listing or booking.

822
01:26:26,340 --> 01:26:27,720
Actually that one we might have had ourselves.

823
01:26:28,140 --> 01:26:30,340
I think 11 was maybe added for you guys.

824
01:26:33,550 --> 01:26:39,830
I don't know that we can legally say only one dwelling unit can be used for STR from property.

825
01:26:40,690 --> 01:26:43,450
This I think has to match hers, exactly.

826
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,360
I just don't think we

827
01:26:51,610 --> 01:26:55,850
versus to manage different STP. We can't even manage her own

828
01:26:55,850 --> 01:27:02,510
regulations like and to have it through different, that what the county's already trying to do

829
01:27:02,510 --> 01:27:05,170
is just...

830
01:27:05,170 --> 01:27:07,210
We also have the compliance state law.

831
01:27:07,850 --> 01:27:09,810
Well, right, and then there's the president for you.

832
01:27:09,810 --> 01:27:13,850
Yeah, so I'll take out 11 and 12 because I'll take those with the ones that we had it out

833
01:27:13,850 --> 01:27:28,670
Would like to keep the provision that I changed for such an extra number of four in regards to RVs being used for short-term rentals only in the instance that they're

834
01:27:28,670 --> 01:27:36,290
that they're not occupied as one of the units because it has to be paired to the septic system.

835
01:27:36,290 --> 01:27:48,530
So when you're adding extra units by adding an RV, I feel like that is kind of missing the mark on the intent for the father called language that's in here in regards to the septic capacity.

836
01:27:51,810 --> 01:27:52,330
Teams work.

837
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:59,930
Well, because we, that's one of the ways that we, that's pretty much the only way we can administer these things is public safety.

838
01:28:01,350 --> 01:28:07,170
Well, we, in our code we have short-term rental regulation that are all tied to public safety.

839
01:28:07,170 --> 01:28:16,970
This addition may make total sense, but I think if we're going to, we need to add it to the county code.

840
01:28:17,210 --> 01:28:27,000
We don't need to separate one additional requirement for our short-term rental and a period of impact to try to implement.

841
01:28:28,180 --> 01:28:35,380
If the county code needs to be updated to include this, then that's what we should do.

842
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:41,020
And not try to just narrow in additional requirements for the area.

843
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:43,220
That's what that's meant

844
01:28:46,810 --> 01:28:47,110
to.

845
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:50,670
This thing might be adopted lots when we're going to amend it to the county code.

846
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,400
I mean, the city can propose and amend what

847
01:29:01,970 --> 01:29:02,830
I would suggest.

848
01:29:04,090 --> 01:29:11,830
Just to remind everyone, the way that the county permits, church and rentals, we have

849
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:19,130
always water-associated permit that eastern Idaho Public Health will fill out.

850
01:29:20,050 --> 01:29:29,730
The county needs to engage- I was told later earlier this year I suppose that in order

851
01:29:29,730 --> 01:29:34,270
To enact that fully, we need to have an engagement letter with Eastern Idaho Public House.

852
01:29:34,970 --> 01:29:41,730
Even though they reviewed the form, they reviewed the wastewater study that the county had done.

853
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:46,790
And they were fine with it, but now to engage, they want a formal letter.

854
01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:49,010
They're a little worried about workload.

855
01:29:50,150 --> 01:29:58,590
And so I do wonder if we utilize that same form for short-term rentals in the area of impact.

856
01:29:58,910 --> 01:29:59,970
and if that would be an issue.

857
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:18,660
And that form is called the T.T. and County sceptic capacity evaluation form, which the applicant pays for eastern Idaho public health to fill out if, you know, there's a site that's that, whatever, but if it gets traditionally 75 dollars.

858
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:28,380
And the way we tackle the RV component is that we say all dwelling units must be

859
01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:33,760
habitable space, which an RV could never constitute fully habitable space, because

860
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:44,140
it's a temporary structure for an RV, so that I do appreciate the desire to clarify

861
01:30:44,140 --> 01:30:45,200
that even further.

862
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,160
And the other part of the county vote says,

863
01:30:48,540 --> 01:30:50,080
Can't for trailers, both trailers,

864
01:30:50,420 --> 01:30:53,420
transport trailers, can be parked on site.

865
01:30:54,860 --> 01:30:57,300
But we never, and we say that

866
01:30:57,300 --> 01:30:59,880
camping in RVU, show monarchs, see the number of

867
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:02,240
tenants specified on the short-term rental business.

868
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,280
So that's the way that we've tried to manage that.

869
01:31:06,300 --> 01:31:10,580
But I do agree it could probably be added to it.

870
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:14,660
So what's this consensus?

871
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:16,100
Do we want consistency?

872
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:30,440
When this is county jurisdiction, do we want something different, do we have to sleep in different areas of time to when it comes to short terminals, or do we want it the same as in the county?

873
01:31:31,900 --> 01:31:32,440
Well,

874
01:31:34,570 --> 01:31:40,050
my perspective would be, if we're suggesting something here that we can enforce,

875
01:31:42,230 --> 01:31:50,630
that's that compliance or state code, and it's more protective than what we've got in the county.

876
01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:55,890
We want consistency, but the vector direction is the way we want to go.

877
01:31:56,150 --> 01:32:00,090
So we go with what is suggested here, and we amend the county code.

878
01:32:04,570 --> 01:32:11,640
the challenge being a men in the county code is going to mean it ever happens

879
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:12,640
but

880
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:22,150
I think if we have this in here and the impetus was coming from the city of Victor

881
01:32:22,150 --> 01:32:28,440
would be helpful that is my perspective under the circumstances I agree

882
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:37,780
okay so everything else consistent besides for that sign I'm concerned about everything is exactly the same

883
01:32:37,780 --> 01:32:46,480
It's not a red line, but it's exactly the same because you said you said something out 11 inch while we add it and I can take those out

884
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:50,070
So it's not the same

885
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:53,630
We already mentioned that 11 inch while would be removed. That's why I was asking

886
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:28,900
this that was achieved

887
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,020
I'd like to go back to these shirts and now

888
01:33:36,940 --> 01:33:37,980
How about

889
01:33:37,980 --> 01:33:44,040
And fortunately I do the comparative red line if that chart is it doesn't get included in that for some reason

890
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,780
So that would have to kind of do that one a little bit more by hand.

891
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:52,040
I can prepare that or a future work session for you.

892
01:33:52,140 --> 01:33:55,680
So you can see exactly which items were removed,

893
01:33:56,020 --> 01:33:59,560
but as you go through the text you can see that those full sections

894
01:34:00,140 --> 01:34:01,660
are red lying to be removed.

895
01:34:03,140 --> 01:34:05,240
So the way the line up in here

896
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:09,620
and not to resources is the 20, right?

897
01:34:11,290 --> 01:34:12,710
I'm sorry I have to go back.

898
01:34:14,150 --> 01:34:20,910
So what was it be and I believe is the 10.

899
01:34:20,990 --> 01:34:21,650
Is it the 10?

900
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:28,640
Is there a line up of those different than the, yeah.

901
01:34:29,340 --> 01:34:30,960
How they're interesting to this.

902
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:32,440
So 10 is

903
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:35,700
the

904
01:34:38,710 --> 01:34:39,970
thing to be

905
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,460
zone 3, right?

906
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:46,220
Yes.

907
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:04,180
So did you, I just want to make sure that this,

908
01:35:08,910 --> 01:35:11,810
Yeah, we, yeah, because I put them in order

909
01:35:11,810 --> 01:35:14,090
I want you to erase all the cracks.

910
01:35:15,230 --> 01:35:17,010
Just to make sure that you've got,

911
01:35:17,150 --> 01:35:19,030
Yeah, all the cells of weight can.

912
01:35:20,290 --> 01:35:21,910
When you rearrange them, correct?

913
01:35:26,340 --> 01:35:26,420
Right.

914
01:35:26,700 --> 01:35:29,360
So what we really need to know is

915
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:33,380
how the 2.5 and 20,

916
01:35:33,700 --> 01:35:36,560
mainly the ones that choose,

917
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:46,760
compared to current use chart for 2.5 and 20s.

918
01:35:46,860 --> 01:35:55,310
And I guess in a way it doesn't really matter since I don't really, I mean I guess we still have the 20s, so maybe that's even more important.

919
01:35:55,750 --> 01:36:06,590
Yeah, and again, we don't have to, if we want to try to get through everything knowing that there's probably going to be another work session before we have the final adoption is to look over everything and make sure

920
01:36:06,590 --> 01:36:24,330
that it's consistent with what we talked about, I can go through these sections, all the charts really by hand and get you a comparative red line of the charts, because the charts did not red line when I did it side by side comparison of the documents.

921
01:36:25,110 --> 01:36:33,410
So I can outline those stories specifically so we can then have a little bit more to talk about within any changes to the use chart.

922
01:36:33,410 --> 01:36:36,950
Okay. Do you have any comments on that, Jay?

923
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:39,490
I have a new track to that.

924
01:36:40,210 --> 01:36:41,070
Do you just, okay?

925
01:36:42,570 --> 01:36:46,610
No, I mean, I just noticed that the proposed is different than the counties.

926
01:36:48,270 --> 01:36:50,610
But don't have too much to add to that.

927
01:36:56,820 --> 01:36:58,900
Any questions on that?

928
01:36:59,060 --> 01:36:59,260
Okay.

929
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:00,640
What?

930
01:37:01,580 --> 01:37:04,000
And the other changes, then.

931
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:06,120
Decided to turn around.

932
01:37:06,260 --> 01:37:07,120
Yep, so.

933
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:17,720
Yeah, again, we have uses that are being removed, so commercial livestock processing was one that was going to be removed within

934
01:37:19,180 --> 01:37:21,280
club or large.

935
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:27,120
It looks like we may have changed it to a special use.

936
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:32,660
As I added that language in there, most of the code already would have a pretty decent job.

937
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:38,480
whether it was general use standards, limited use standards, or special use standards.

938
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,960
So if I were made a change, most likely that's a change to the chart as well.

939
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:48,380
And then we added a maximum square footage for a structure for a club or a lodge,

940
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,600
which is quite substantial, in my opinion,

941
01:37:53,580 --> 01:37:56,900
but I'm sure if there's some club or lodge out there that probably are,

942
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:58,040
that they want more.

943
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:03,200
There's a 10,000 square foot structure next moment.

944
01:38:05,180 --> 01:38:09,900
And there's that is 3, 5, 3.

945
01:38:28,890 --> 01:38:29,810
Or is that

946
01:38:33,550 --> 01:38:34,570
upper lodge?

947
01:38:48,820 --> 01:38:49,900
Or a lodge?

948
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,580
Is a special use in 20.

949
01:38:52,580 --> 01:38:53,900
A.Y.20's on 2.

950
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:08,340
The

951
01:39:18,770 --> 01:39:21,890
garden center is the next one that there's some edits.

952
01:39:21,890 --> 01:39:26,270
Again, other than the ones that were specifically calling out to be removed,

953
01:39:27,970 --> 01:39:33,750
Garden Center has a proposed minimum lot size of 10 acres,

954
01:39:35,850 --> 01:39:36,610
and

955
01:39:38,980 --> 01:39:46,200
buffering requirements around vehicle and equipment storage areas.

956
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:08,800
The next one where we made some edits is Re7-1,

957
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,560
which was originally worded as food-ease beverage processing facilities,

958
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:18,840
which is ingenious to have a culturally-related food-in beverage processing facilities,

959
01:40:19,100 --> 01:40:22,700
so it can't be a stand alone processing area,

960
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:28,160
but this directly associated with agricultural operations on the property,

961
01:40:29,140 --> 01:40:33,680
would allow for washing, sorting, using dehydrating, milling,

962
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,160
Masterizing, cooking, canning,

963
01:40:36,340 --> 01:40:39,820
bottling, packaging, or storing of agricultural products,

964
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:42,520
harvested on the premises, or on a property owned,

965
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:44,520
or least by the same facility owner.

966
01:40:45,980 --> 01:40:49,940
And this would just, again, link it back to agricultural

967
01:40:49,940 --> 01:40:53,700
operations rather than having it be concerns

968
01:40:53,700 --> 01:40:57,120
of a food or beverage or slaughterhouse or any of those types

969
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:58,700
of things independently.

970
01:41:00,020 --> 01:41:02,780
And then also, open the doors for some of these

971
01:41:02,780 --> 01:41:05,560
to be able to do these things on site.

972
01:41:14,490 --> 01:41:17,530
And then we did also clarify at the end of that definition

973
01:41:17,530 --> 01:41:21,390
that it would not allow for industrial hemp fiber

974
01:41:22,130 --> 01:41:25,190
fermenting, distilling, mixing, and we're then

975
01:41:25,190 --> 01:41:28,490
able to haul up products, those types of things or slaughterhouse

976
01:41:28,490 --> 01:41:33,050
just to make sure that we're having those types of things

977
01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:35,630
appropriately regulated through appropriate

978
01:41:35,630 --> 01:41:38,470
own industry facilities to do something instead of

979
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:39,910
for cultural aid,

980
01:41:42,350 --> 01:41:46,050
and then another couple of other items being removed,

981
01:41:59,770 --> 01:42:00,590
what was the point

982
01:42:00,590 --> 01:42:03,170
of the industrial hemp fiber?

983
01:42:05,250 --> 01:42:12,930
There's typically more state regulation in regards to any type of hemp growing products,

984
01:42:13,310 --> 01:42:20,830
so it can be more complicated for local agencies to enforce, which is easier to say that that's not

985
01:42:20,830 --> 01:42:27,330
of the processing a lot in these areas. You can probably still throw it. I don't think there's anything

986
01:42:27,330 --> 01:42:35,870
from steel on it. You can't throw any of these products in this area, but the processing

987
01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:39,070
of it would be a bit more hard to manage.

988
01:42:44,370 --> 01:42:50,940
And the next one that's been added it would jump us over

989
01:42:50,940 --> 01:42:57,940
three, nine, let's go back to that, like, what can you explain the point of that again?

990
01:42:58,180 --> 01:43:06,100
I mean, this is our code, so the way we, and this is just edits in the way the county has presented it.

991
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:14,480
So why would we want it different in the area of impact? It's just confirmed that the area of impact is county jurisdiction.

992
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:17,240
And why would we want

993
01:43:19,410 --> 01:43:25,250
different food and beverage processing facility regulations in the area?

994
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:32,480
Well, an area of impact is proposed.

995
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:37,160
It's going to be zoned or annexed in the next few years, right?

996
01:43:37,540 --> 01:43:38,340
Or would we set up a business?

997
01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:43,040
We would be open to annexation in most of these areas right away.

998
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:46,680
I think the kind of differentiation of why I wanted it,

999
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:53,140
to be able to relate to food and beverage processing facilities as opposed to just regular food

1000
01:43:53,140 --> 01:43:59,200
and beverage processing facilities would be that the city has industrial zoning already outlined

1001
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:06,060
and designated for these purposes that are connected to sewer and water for appropriate

1002
01:44:06,060 --> 01:44:16,660
management of their waste. So that's kind of why the change in something that's going to be

1003
01:44:16,660 --> 01:44:21,640
uses, then I think it would be more appropriate to have it related to the agricultural operations

1004
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:27,160
going on on that site as opposed to something that's a standalone, if it's a standalone

1005
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:32,600
then they can come and use any of the other industrial zone areas within the city limits

1006
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,140
connected to the sewer.

1007
01:44:40,610 --> 01:44:44,770
So I was kind of my alternative other than completely cutting it out as

1008
01:44:44,770 --> 01:44:50,290
a use that shouldn't be allowed. So I was still having it be as an allowed use but related to the

1009
01:44:50,290 --> 01:44:52,550
the level of vibrations on the body.

1010
01:44:53,730 --> 01:44:53,830
Thank you.

1011
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:54,090
Thanks, coach.

1012
01:44:58,140 --> 01:44:59,960
The one that I have is feeling will probably...

1013
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,780
Comback up for discussion, whether now we're at a future meeting. I did cut out mineral resource development, which would be basically gravel, gravel pits, mining operations. There are, I think there's two within, so there's at least two, maybe three that are within.

1014
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:35,280
AR that are active. I was just thinking it could continue forward as an

1015
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:43,520
on conforming use, but it may be necessary to pull the mining minimum resource

1016
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:51,260
development back in to the standards. So I'll take your direction on your feelings

1017
01:45:51,260 --> 01:45:51,960
on that.

1018
01:45:57,250 --> 01:46:03,270
That's going to go to some of our concern. I think about a white boundary.

1019
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:03,850
I

1020
01:46:07,950 --> 01:46:15,210
mean, you don't want it when you're in it, you know, it's not ideal to have an operation,

1021
01:46:16,510 --> 01:46:20,830
cost-presenter future when the land needs to be annexed.

1022
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:38,440
Yeah, this one's active, and this one is active, and I don't know if that one is.

1023
01:46:38,440 --> 01:46:38,900
Which one's

1024
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:42,000
next one?

1025
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,960
No, this is just to lean.

1026
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:48,060
And they're injecting gravel on the other side.

1027
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:54,960
And then the other one is south of Cedar and that one's active.

1028
01:46:55,540 --> 01:47:01,040
The one that I'm not sure if it's active is, um, I don't know if a land is state owner is

1029
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:05,360
adjacent to this one that's state owned, but it's just south of the,

1030
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:09,320
maybe J. Kimple

1031
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:09,860
is an apple.

1032
01:47:11,140 --> 01:47:11,880
It's just one of them.

1033
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:13,080
Well, then she would be this long.

1034
01:47:13,100 --> 01:47:15,780
Cedar is kind of right in the center of the action, so it's be good.

1035
01:47:15,980 --> 01:47:16,580
That would be

1036
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:20,550
that.

1037
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:22,470
the city parcel, you guys can come

1038
01:47:26,500 --> 01:47:28,600
up with it, feels to be like, be filled with it.

1039
01:47:28,940 --> 01:47:36,060
Yeah, it's really more of a on demand kind of thing. So if we need it for repair of city roads,

1040
01:47:36,460 --> 01:47:44,120
we haven't available to use, but yeah, most recently we've been putting stuff in there as

1041
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:47,020
we clear of sites from city construction or infrastructure.

1042
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:57,800
Starry, we can come back to it as we go through the map, but I'll be open to adding that back in and

1043
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:04,800
knowing that there are active pets and just kind of different perspectives on enforcement.

1044
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:08,280
We want the regulations to be there and just treat it as a non-conforming use.

1045
01:48:13,610 --> 01:48:20,810
The city gravel pit, as I was just mentioning, is kind of an on-demand thing that sometimes we're taking from it, sometimes we're adding to it.

1046
01:48:20,810 --> 01:48:24,110
So recently, we've been adding to it,

1047
01:48:26,410 --> 01:48:26,810
putting...

1048
01:48:26,810 --> 01:48:28,570
Yeah, we have an excavator here throughout.

1049
01:48:28,670 --> 01:48:29,230
And that's just right

1050
01:48:39,790 --> 01:48:39,950
now.

1051
01:48:39,950 --> 01:48:41,130
I don't know how to do it.

1052
01:48:41,330 --> 01:48:42,090
I don't know how to do it.

1053
01:48:42,090 --> 01:48:42,750
I don't know how to do it.

1054
01:48:42,750 --> 01:48:43,410
I don't know how to do it.

1055
01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:44,250
I don't know how to do it.

1056
01:48:48,610 --> 01:48:51,510
And then that fence was recently put up.

1057
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:52,030
That's true.

1058
01:48:52,350 --> 01:48:52,390
That's

1059
01:48:55,690 --> 01:48:55,990
true.

1060
01:48:56,090 --> 01:48:57,070
Oh, that's man.

1061
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:57,930
I'm not just seeing it.

1062
01:48:57,930 --> 01:48:58,770
Here's his outside.

1063
01:49:05,660 --> 01:49:07,520
And here are just on the other side.

1064
01:49:07,660 --> 01:49:08,500
The city's perfect.

1065
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:10,260
Yeah.

1066
01:49:10,260 --> 01:49:10,400
Yeah.

1067
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:11,860
That is kind of the own.

1068
01:49:12,740 --> 01:49:13,740
And the other plate.

1069
01:49:16,650 --> 01:49:17,890
We're going to have a pit.

1070
01:49:17,890 --> 01:49:24,680
I think you really can't see from the runway, that is, there's a slight depression.

1071
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:25,000
We

1072
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:31,360
can't derog every story, especially if we don't, we can't reuse it.

1073
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:37,980
But the tip that's visible, we're going to see debris and stuff like that, that is probably a portion of the head.

1074
01:49:38,580 --> 01:49:39,540
And that is also the end.

1075
01:49:47,380 --> 01:49:50,920
And then again, more uses being removed.

1076
01:49:51,060 --> 01:49:54,420
And then the next one that we've made, edits to

1077
01:49:56,850 --> 01:49:58,150
our tour is something.

1078
01:49:58,150 --> 01:50:04,370
And I think we just expanded on some of the potential uses.

1079
01:50:05,090 --> 01:50:11,870
We removed the portion about vetting breakfast accommodations.

1080
01:50:13,810 --> 01:50:22,930
But added, agricultural classes, tours, animals shows, petting zoos, featuring farm animals,

1081
01:50:22,930 --> 01:50:26,670
that other domestic animals cropped me as a picnic area,

1082
01:50:26,690 --> 01:50:30,210
our hay rides, tractor rides, cider mills,

1083
01:50:30,350 --> 01:50:31,710
haunted houses, et cetera.

1084
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:34,550
So just kind of expanding some of those

1085
01:50:34,550 --> 01:50:36,530
agricultural tourism.

1086
01:50:38,650 --> 01:50:40,410
Actually, listing out some of the uses

1087
01:50:40,410 --> 01:50:42,110
rather than having it open ended.

1088
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:45,090
And again, we're moving the camping

1089
01:50:45,090 --> 01:50:47,410
better breakfast overnight accommodations

1090
01:50:47,930 --> 01:50:49,690
associated with agritourism.

1091
01:50:50,130 --> 01:50:51,610
But if they did choose to do that,

1092
01:50:51,610 --> 01:50:58,550
would have to follow whatever the provisions are for those items and use standards.

1093
01:50:58,990 --> 01:51:00,290
What's the number of them?

1094
01:51:00,590 --> 01:51:02,230
Three, nine, four.

1095
01:51:02,510 --> 01:51:04,310
Three, four, eight.

1096
01:51:07,690 --> 01:51:09,350
Jade, curious.

1097
01:51:09,950 --> 01:51:12,210
Again, consistency.

1098
01:51:14,350 --> 01:51:21,030
One of the issues we've had in the past with period impacts is having vastly different codes

1099
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:30,860
for the Arab impact versus the county in terms of management and implementation and enforcement

1100
01:51:30,860 --> 01:51:34,680
of those things like it makes it more complicated when

1101
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:39,400
they're different because it's

1102
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:40,300
again kind of jurisdiction.

1103
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:42,080
It says same thing, same question.

1104
01:51:43,100 --> 01:51:44,620
Is it long

1105
01:51:47,250 --> 01:51:47,630
term?

1106
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:57,890
Is there going to be better for us to add these additional regulations and

1107
01:51:57,890 --> 01:52:04,870
or trying to keep it consistent between city and area of impact code and my

1108
01:52:08,050 --> 01:52:12,150
inclination is to keep them the same as much as possible.

1109
01:52:15,690 --> 01:52:25,290
That would be mine as well. Or at least keeping all area of impact regulations pretty similar when

1110
01:52:25,290 --> 01:52:30,610
it comes to land use allowances. Like the city of drinks essentially adopted the same

1111
01:52:30,610 --> 01:52:33,790
the same use chart as the count of mass,

1112
01:52:35,930 --> 01:52:37,590
and so that has been consistent.

1113
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:44,590
I think adding these changes that are specific to the ROI are fine, so long as, you know,

1114
01:52:44,890 --> 01:52:49,630
it's not incredibly cumbersome or it's relatively consistent among being allies.

1115
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:59,000
The alternative is that the C would recommend not having this owning district then within the AOI.

1116
01:52:59,740 --> 01:53:05,580
Again, the concern is around all of the camping log in how it's currently written in the county.

1117
01:53:07,500 --> 01:53:14,500
There are concerns with camping, it's again, back to the waste and I'm going to connect it to

1118
01:53:15,620 --> 01:53:20,820
Taptic at this type of scale versus something connected to sewer and water.

1119
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:27,220
That's the city's preference.

1120
01:53:30,380 --> 01:53:31,720
Yeah, I think that's taken out.

1121
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:40,210
Yeah. I think that's fine. All this other specific mention might get us in trouble.

1122
01:53:40,410 --> 01:53:46,810
I think because we just can't imagine all the specifics.

1123
01:53:51,530 --> 01:53:53,650
If it's out, then it's just not a lot within that.

1124
01:53:55,170 --> 01:53:56,970
You. I mean, the choices.

1125
01:53:57,770 --> 01:53:59,770
Read it as is or take it out.

1126
01:54:04,510 --> 01:54:14,010
or option 3 proposed changes to the county's code that may hit that, you know, when we

1127
01:54:14,010 --> 01:54:24,270
did the agrochorism section of our code, it was kind of like this, you know, 10 acre plus

1128
01:54:24,270 --> 01:54:33,070
It came late, and we just did the best we did this a lot of time.

1129
01:54:33,630 --> 01:54:39,750
We were very analyzing it, and we just adopted it, because it made sense to have

1130
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:47,250
provisions for average words out, and to get advantages to farmers, and that probably is

1131
01:54:47,250 --> 01:54:48,290
a perfect bet.

1132
01:54:50,030 --> 01:54:54,190
Yeah, we essentially adopted the recommendation of a planning and zoning commission member,

1133
01:54:55,310 --> 01:55:06,530
and I think it's appropriate that you take out camping for the reasons you've stated,

1134
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:11,790
and it may be something that we need to get, or the county needs to get more restrictive on,

1135
01:55:11,790 --> 01:55:16,970
But in terms of listing out all the activities,

1136
01:55:17,870 --> 01:55:18,910
I think that's a hazard.

1137
01:55:19,390 --> 01:55:22,870
I would keep it more general like the county has

1138
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:26,370
with that exception that you alluded to.

1139
01:55:26,450 --> 01:55:28,370
I would not have taken down any thoughts like that.

1140
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:29,370
In line with that, you know,

1141
01:55:35,190 --> 01:55:36,310
I would much rather

1142
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:38,310
see an accident already,

1143
01:55:45,310 --> 01:55:47,150
but maybe it's really not

1144
01:55:47,150 --> 01:55:50,810
that difficult with to move at a moment

1145
01:55:50,810 --> 01:55:51,590
I

1146
01:55:53,700 --> 01:55:59,660
want I would I think it's appropriate for the city to propose and

1147
01:56:02,060 --> 01:56:04,020
especially because you can spend some

1148
01:56:04,020 --> 01:56:07,580
much time on it you know especially the agriculture is not a lot of the hard work

1149
01:56:07,580 --> 01:56:12,400
is out there. Food industry stuff. It's a choice between

1150
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:20,180
agritors and in camping or none. But it sounds like like it's amenable to take it in camping.

1151
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:31,640
Yeah, I can remove all of the additional items, so the definition matches the county's code

1152
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:39,840
other than on-site hospitality, and then, you know, we have your support, we'd like to still remove

1153
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:43,580
the campaign accommodations, otherwise the rest of it would be the same.

1154
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:45,460
That's worked for me.

1155
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:48,560
Wait, you still want on-site hospitality?

1156
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:52,320
I do not want to take hospitality and what's like that to be removed.

1157
01:56:53,560 --> 01:57:00,120
If I remember correctly, we had amended the county code in the agritorism section

1158
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:08,560
to only require a limited use permit or a special use permit for the hospitality component

1159
01:57:09,100 --> 01:57:13,100
and agritorism by itself was just allowed.

1160
01:57:19,150 --> 01:57:26,450
So, if we could also just say like general use standards, under section B would be that I'd be good in that.

1161
01:57:50,750 --> 01:57:56,510
In other words, that general language on site educational programs and recreational farming programs.

1162
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:58,730
All that other stuff fits under that.

1163
01:57:59,250 --> 01:57:59,610
Okay.

1164
01:58:00,910 --> 01:58:03,670
Works for me and I think I understand what Jade was talking about with the,

1165
01:58:03,670 --> 01:58:08,730
a few special use limited use items, so I'm clarify those as we go through.

1166
01:58:09,310 --> 01:58:20,870
Then the only other one that we've made at it is two, and I think it's pretty consistent with your code is 3-10-5 food bending outdoor.

1167
01:58:21,290 --> 01:58:31,650
Just the definition we've added outdoor bending may also be considered an accessory use, but it is permitted through a temporary use permit.

1168
01:58:31,650 --> 01:58:37,430
actually this might have come from you guys but just aligning that it can be an

1169
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:41,690
accessory use or temporary use within the definition and that they use

1170
01:58:41,690 --> 01:58:48,990
containers here to believe this 10 is temporary use. Yes. So number 3105.

1171
01:58:53,980 --> 01:58:54,200
So these

1172
01:58:54,200 --> 01:59:00,580
limited use standards are specifically for when it is a temporary use. I'm not

1173
01:59:00,580 --> 01:59:04,300
making changes to any of those from what the county code has but just a

1174
01:59:04,300 --> 01:59:10,580
and say that it can be considered an accessory use or permitted here as a temporary use.

1175
01:59:11,880 --> 01:59:13,120
Does that make sense, Eugene?

1176
01:59:15,590 --> 01:59:17,770
I'm looking at 3.5 now.

1177
01:59:19,110 --> 01:59:19,550
Kim, sorry.

1178
01:59:19,710 --> 01:59:23,870
Can you re-describe to me the change you're proposing?

1179
01:59:24,130 --> 01:59:25,190
Yes, that's a key.

1180
01:59:25,430 --> 01:59:32,270
It's presenting a sentence to the definition and just saying that our food vending may also be considered an accessory use.

1181
01:59:32,270 --> 01:59:36,310
but is permitted through a temporary use permit is included in this temporary

1182
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:41,970
section. So it's just saying that these use standards apply for when this is a temporary use.

1183
01:59:42,330 --> 01:59:47,190
This is under 310, which in that subsection is all of the temporary uses.

1184
01:59:47,690 --> 01:59:52,050
But of acknowledging that food vending, it can also be classified as accessories.

1185
01:59:54,490 --> 01:59:59,970
So if someone's just looking up food vending, outdoors, and this is the only section they see, they might be concerned that

1186
02:00:00,020 --> 02:00:05,500
It's only a lot as a temporary, so it's just clarifying that it's also an excessive use.

1187
02:00:07,290 --> 02:00:14,870
When I go through the accessory uses, I don't see it listed and I don't see general accessory use standards.

1188
02:00:15,810 --> 02:00:16,750
Am I missing that?

1189
02:00:21,540 --> 02:00:28,460
Oh, is it 399? Yes. Oh, that's us food service accessory.

1190
02:00:28,460 --> 02:00:29,420
I

1191
02:00:43,780 --> 02:00:50,620
mean, is this going to happen in the area of the capital because it says it's a board edge of the primary business function?

1192
02:00:53,220 --> 02:01:00,200
The main one that we have listed that is still allowed would be club or large.

1193
02:01:03,330 --> 02:01:10,930
That could have food service, there may be potentially others, but that one is specifically listed as accessory.

1194
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:31,600
And so to have a food truck, you can either get a temporary use permit and a temporary operation,

1195
02:01:31,860 --> 02:01:36,500
you know, made for the summer or just the season, or it's considered accessory.

1196
02:01:36,980 --> 02:01:46,860
You can do it year-round with a limited use permit, with no limited use standards other than its subordinate to the primary business function.

1197
02:01:48,380 --> 02:01:53,480
Neither of these mentioned if it's in a food truck, or actually you say example to a truck.

1198
02:02:06,620 --> 02:02:08,860
I could just see this being really tricky.

1199
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:12,980
To enforce or to make sure things have to be ready for permitting.

1200
02:02:14,920 --> 02:02:16,540
It's as it stands now.

1201
02:02:17,460 --> 02:02:18,540
It's not making sense

1202
02:02:21,990 --> 02:02:22,190
of that.

1203
02:02:22,190 --> 02:02:23,310
I just removed those red line.

1204
02:02:29,420 --> 02:02:30,400
A bit loosey because

1205
02:02:33,250 --> 02:02:35,170
it is a satisfactory to there.

1206
02:02:37,130 --> 02:02:38,670
It makes sense if it's covered large.

1207
02:02:38,670 --> 02:02:40,210
But I don't know what else they're going to argue for.

1208
02:02:45,100 --> 02:02:48,200
I'm wondering if we could remove it as being

1209
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:51,140
accessory and just add a provision to the temporary

1210
02:02:51,140 --> 02:02:55,780
used permit standards related to food service.

1211
02:02:57,820 --> 02:02:59,920
That way, there's only one section of code.

1212
02:03:00,640 --> 02:03:03,840
And in that section, we could articulate,

1213
02:03:04,520 --> 02:03:06,560
it is done through a temporary use permit.

1214
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:09,680
You need an annual permit or something like that.

1215
02:03:09,700 --> 02:03:11,780
That way, it's reviewed at least once a year.

1216
02:03:11,780 --> 02:03:15,100
and it's just in one section, would that make sense?

1217
02:03:16,620 --> 02:03:19,220
That wouldn't be consistent with the rest of the county code.

1218
02:03:22,670 --> 02:03:26,730
No, but we don't have anything related to accessory use for food service.

1219
02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:31,640
We can just write it completely,

1220
02:04:00,510 --> 02:04:02,790
which, what are you saying, straight?

1221
02:04:03,750 --> 02:04:06,490
The food service accessory 399.

1222
02:04:07,050 --> 02:04:09,410
That is in our code, Jade.

1223
02:04:11,350 --> 02:04:12,470
That's our code.

1224
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:15,830
But if that's what

1225
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:23,960
makes sense from the city's standpoint, you know, and we're going to

1226
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:27,680
pull the whole thing out and set up reworking it.

1227
02:04:31,550 --> 02:04:34,330
Well, is that consistent?

1228
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:40,070
I mean there may be situations like clever lines where you want to have a permanent

1229
02:04:40,070 --> 02:04:43,410
through a year-round food service.

1230
02:05:14,450 --> 02:05:16,930
We'll just keep it exactly how the county has

1231
02:05:19,650 --> 02:05:21,370
it

1232
02:05:33,020 --> 02:05:35,900
just through chapter 3.

1233
02:05:36,460 --> 02:05:44,300
Again, once I have an opportunity to go through the chart by hand, we can dive into those

1234
02:05:44,300 --> 02:05:51,350
uses being removed a little bit more and we can feel that any of those seem to come back in.

1235
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:11,480
use the

1236
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:17,840
next

1237
02:06:41,400 --> 02:06:43,040
application procedures.

1238
02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:59,600
So, most of this is just in regards to changing what was,

1239
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:06,060
just the planning and zoning commission, to the droid planning and zoning commission. I did add

1240
02:07:06,060 --> 02:07:11,580
that for under pre-optification conference, that they should be meeting with both the county

1241
02:07:11,580 --> 02:07:17,640
and city administrator or their disease or meeting with us individually. This is something that we

1242
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:34,820
kind of already been implementing over the past year. So it's just being consistent with that, making sure that they've got an idea of what both entities expect and whether or not annexation is on the table for the type of requests that they're looking to do.

1243
02:07:37,340 --> 02:07:37,840
And

1244
02:07:41,910 --> 02:07:45,150
that's just a follow-up state statute that

1245
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:26,460
this first item in regards to what was just the LDC amendments for the county code, which is then going to be the AY, LDC amendments.

1246
02:08:26,980 --> 02:08:28,500
Sorry I need to back you up a little bit.

1247
02:08:28,500 --> 02:08:31,140
This common review provisions,

1248
02:08:35,260 --> 02:08:38,100
addition that the fault number 5.

1249
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:39,980
I'm

1250
02:08:45,770 --> 02:08:46,950
going to ask you about that.

1251
02:08:53,140 --> 02:08:53,740
5,

1252
02:08:57,940 --> 02:08:59,820
1, 4.2,

1253
02:09:02,030 --> 02:09:03,210
B, 5,

1254
02:09:15,860 --> 02:09:16,560
which is needed.

1255
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:21,640
There we go.

1256
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:24,310
I am muted now.

1257
02:09:26,390 --> 02:09:26,610
Okay.

1258
02:09:30,120 --> 02:09:33,060
I'm having trouble finding that section.

1259
02:09:33,060 --> 02:09:45,490
common review procedures is that under oh I see it and it was four to be five.

1260
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:59,520
We don't have it codified that way but I would say any applications I get was in the

1261
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:05,800
Hawaii I have contacted the administrators of those cities just to ensure that we either

1262
02:10:05,800 --> 02:10:13,860
do the meeting together or I would ask you know Kim drew a view proposal before I sent some kind

1263
02:10:13,860 --> 02:10:19,340
pre-app conference form with just letting them know how it conforms.

1264
02:10:25,290 --> 02:10:30,450
I don't know, I don't know what I think about, if it's not possible to have a single meeting

1265
02:10:30,450 --> 02:10:33,830
with the applicant that they would need to meet with the city individually.

1266
02:10:35,870 --> 02:10:41,170
I could see that we need to a little confusion where an applicant discloses some information

1267
02:10:41,170 --> 02:10:43,850
and one meeting in different information and another.

1268
02:10:47,990 --> 02:10:55,690
So I don't know, I think they know we can just get rid of that and keep to, you know, we're going to have a joint review of this.

1269
02:11:00,180 --> 02:11:01,060
Yeah, I think so.

1270
02:11:16,110 --> 02:11:18,850
So the changes to five and six come out.

1271
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:22,090
All right. Yes.

1272
02:11:28,330 --> 02:11:30,750
So I was explaining good news for.

1273
02:11:33,110 --> 02:11:35,530
Where in the county code, it's about.

1274
02:11:35,630 --> 02:11:37,670
I'll be seeing and.

1275
02:11:37,950 --> 02:11:39,030
Complain amendments.

1276
02:11:39,450 --> 02:11:41,590
In this case, we can't touch the complaint.

1277
02:11:41,590 --> 02:11:44,910
countenance countenance countenance countenance. So removing our new reference to

1278
02:11:44,910 --> 02:11:50,290
countenance and clarifying that it's the AY, LDCs, not just the countenance LDCs. So

1279
02:11:50,290 --> 02:11:57,470
that's going to be the major changes I'm four, four. And there's a few

1280
02:11:57,470 --> 02:12:01,890
and a full straight throughs of a couple lines because of the reference to

1281
02:12:01,890 --> 02:12:04,370
countenance language versus card management language.

1282
02:12:27,800 --> 02:12:28,760
We just added

1283
02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:32,860
is joining JPZ, is that consistent for them? Yes,

1284
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:38,720
because I see joint planning and zoning and JPZ.

1285
02:12:40,080 --> 02:12:44,060
All of them, JPZ and JPZ? Yeah, it's not consistent.

1286
02:12:52,020 --> 02:12:56,260
We have the original reference allows for them all.

1287
02:12:59,730 --> 02:13:03,150
Ideally, we just use one throughout the document.

1288
02:13:05,330 --> 02:13:05,990
Do you have a preference?

1289
02:13:05,990 --> 02:13:06,590
Okay.

1290
02:13:14,150 --> 02:13:14,530
Go ahead.

1291
02:13:14,790 --> 02:13:15,430
That's fine.

1292
02:13:17,930 --> 02:13:21,450
Tap the least resistance is just to put a J in front of PZC.

1293
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:25,040
Okay.

1294
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:28,340
Least resistance and probably most consistent, I would say.

1295
02:13:48,760 --> 02:13:49,880
I'm not saying that.

1296
02:13:49,880 --> 02:13:51,100
What about your mouth?

1297
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:52,260
What's up?

1298
02:13:52,260 --> 02:13:54,080
You can come back for the mouth.

1299
02:13:58,840 --> 02:13:59,480
Thank you, Rose.

1300
02:14:09,900 --> 02:14:15,800
And then the next addition we do is in 4-5.

1301
02:14:15,800 --> 02:14:20,780
We're talking about zoning map amendments, so this will be any type of zone change request.

1302
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:26,040
We just added provision about development agreements because it didn't exist.

1303
02:14:26,840 --> 02:14:32,360
And state statute outlines the development agreements could be implemented at the time of our resomes.

1304
02:14:32,540 --> 02:14:33,640
We just added that.

1305
02:14:40,360 --> 02:14:41,980
But consistency we can remove it.

1306
02:14:42,160 --> 02:14:44,940
The state statute already states what it is.

1307
02:14:45,160 --> 02:14:49,660
It's just making sure that everyone knows the process for development agreements.

1308
02:14:49,660 --> 02:14:50,440
And

1309
02:14:54,690 --> 02:14:59,970
there's another section under, I just still have to use text in my mouth.

1310
02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:45,680
I'm still reviewing that just a little bit. I guess the development agreement component that was re-included in the subdivision, right, are just included as it is with the county.

1311
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:58,640
It's included in the section for rezoning and it is included in the section under special uses and let's see if it's also in the subdivision, which should be.

1312
02:16:13,850 --> 02:16:29,390
If I can have it outlined under the subdivisions as in the same format, we can definitely add that because it would be subdivisions would also be subject to development payments in the same manner.

1313
02:16:29,390 --> 02:16:37,830
Yeah, the other thing I would suggest is that we just created a new development agreement template for

1314
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:43,790
Victor Eury of Impact applications of all required implement agreements.

1315
02:16:44,890 --> 02:16:50,390
Just to make sure that they are referencing all the same AOI code that you know.

1316
02:16:51,350 --> 02:16:53,770
So just making note that we'll need to update that.

1317
02:17:04,210 --> 02:17:08,410
Should we keep this language in or to remove it and be consistent with the county?

1318
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:16,810
Sorry, I got onto, I like scrolled away from it, let me get back to where I was.

1319
02:17:16,970 --> 02:17:25,350
I'm just saying that for 676511A, that you allowed have to have all of my agreements

1320
02:17:25,350 --> 02:17:31,130
that they would be approved by the BSCC and a public hearing and that the development

1321
02:17:31,130 --> 02:17:34,930
agreement would be recorded with the clerk reporter's office.

1322
02:17:37,130 --> 02:17:38,390
I think we can keep it.

1323
02:17:38,390 --> 02:17:53,410
I think I thought the county code had something specific to special use permits that also allow that same language, but I don't think that's saying anything new and I think it is a good clarification if we missed it.

1324
02:17:57,510 --> 02:18:08,970
We suggest that jumping to special egg uses 4-8 that I think you guys have an

1325
02:18:08,970 --> 02:18:14,670
expression of one year and we're just suggesting that at the end of the five years

1326
02:18:14,670 --> 02:18:24,150
so every five years you'd be becoming evaluated for your special use,

1327
02:18:30,460 --> 02:18:30,780
we can keep

1328
02:18:30,780 --> 02:18:30,960
the

1329
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:37,780
thing, Jude.

1330
02:18:38,560 --> 02:18:41,940
Very candidly, I didn't remember that we had a one-year expiration.

1331
02:18:42,440 --> 02:18:48,060
So I'm just reviewing that now because let's not make it one year.

1332
02:18:53,660 --> 02:18:54,100
No, no.

1333
02:18:54,100 --> 02:18:58,600
The expiration under the county code says, unless provided otherwise in the written decision,

1334
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:02,880
special use approvals expire one year after the date of the written decision,

1335
02:19:03,080 --> 02:19:06,460
unless the applicant files a complete application for a building permit,

1336
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:08,940
or is made substantial progress to their development.

1337
02:19:09,700 --> 02:19:13,240
Do you guys renew special use permits at all?

1338
02:19:13,440 --> 02:19:16,140
There's like no, we would just check in.

1339
02:19:16,380 --> 02:19:22,540
If there's if the board at the time wishes to do so, they would just put it in the written decision.

1340
02:19:23,300 --> 02:19:27,900
You know, in their review process to review everything years, review every five years, etc.

1341
02:19:28,460 --> 02:19:38,080
And I think two dates, the county has maybe looked at three or four special use permits and really only one of them was one in which

1342
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:42,920
the board wanted to see them submit a new application and I think it was five years.

1343
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:50,480
So do you feel that we need to have a time limit as a default or just do a case by case with the conditions?

1344
02:19:53,020 --> 02:19:54,820
I think it should match the county code.

1345
02:19:54,840 --> 02:19:56,320
Okay, so we're going to do that.

1346
02:19:56,520 --> 02:20:04,540
As long as there's some type of, if it's then consistent that there's at least a consideration of a time limit that I think it's fine.

1347
02:20:05,740 --> 02:20:08,240
We don't have a 1 year limit.

1348
02:20:29,450 --> 02:20:31,810
We have a lot of undershort clads.

1349
02:20:32,190 --> 02:20:40,050
We removed some dates and timelines that were specific to abocultural and divisions.

1350
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:47,190
It wasn't sure if we were going to have parcels that would be qualified for that.

1351
02:20:56,260 --> 02:20:59,840
We don't have as much language if it's not necessary.

1352
02:21:03,220 --> 02:21:09,460
Oh, yeah, I do see that you change the minimum parent parcel size for the egg land divisions.

1353
02:21:10,100 --> 02:21:14,700
Yeah, I mean because I tried to kind of match it with some of the options that were to have

1354
02:21:14,700 --> 02:21:18,380
a similar minimum loss sizes.

1355
02:21:20,780 --> 02:21:28,580
So I think in the county code, it was only a lot of certain zoning districts and at a higher scale.

1356
02:21:28,580 --> 02:21:37,880
and I kind of bump those down, dealing with only two-and-a-half, 20, and our new zone, three,

1357
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:46,160
trying to find a more appropriate option for lock sizes for X-plets or short-plets.

1358
02:22:14,650 --> 02:22:24,090
I'm going to share that a little bit more of an evaluation of some of the few larger

1359
02:22:24,090 --> 02:22:36,710
I think maybe 160 might be the largest single lot that we have, and maybe only two or three of those within the proposed AOI boundaries.

1360
02:22:38,110 --> 02:22:42,090
So if it, if it even applies, we'll keep it.

1361
02:22:42,990 --> 02:22:49,330
And if it doesn't make sense, we can remove that at lots of less section, and just have it be regular shortcuts.

1362
02:22:49,330 --> 02:22:58,570
I mean, the only zone that would, the only zone you have now that, what sort of match that

1363
02:22:58,570 --> 02:23:00,610
county code is that A and R 20.

1364
02:23:01,990 --> 02:23:06,050
No, not even that, because all of ours is 35, right?

1365
02:23:06,490 --> 02:23:06,590
Yeah.

1366
02:23:08,250 --> 02:23:09,790
So that doesn't even match.

1367
02:23:09,790 --> 02:23:12,710
So it allows for

1368
02:23:15,880 --> 02:23:18,720
a relatively end of vision of a much

1369
02:23:21,860 --> 02:23:25,600
smaller piece of property with.

1370
02:23:26,180 --> 02:23:33,020
Yeah, so again, the charts don't aren't affected by the red line for some reason, but we did within 4-11.

1371
02:23:33,160 --> 02:23:37,600
So just the page before ALI 20 and ALI 10.

1372
02:23:37,860 --> 02:23:44,060
If you had a parent parcel of 80, that you could go more, you could go down to 40.

1373
02:23:44,060 --> 02:23:53,000
So, okay, making for the smallest lot that you do in an active vision, but as far as removing those states and timelines,

1374
02:23:53,220 --> 02:23:57,080
those should probably stay in, if we have parcels that call it like that.

1375
02:24:04,660 --> 02:24:07,580
Lots of them can board.

1376
02:24:13,820 --> 02:24:15,780
Can we be exact divisions, though?

1377
02:24:16,900 --> 02:24:18,460
Create a new one to answer to your information.

1378
02:24:33,020 --> 02:24:37,100
As long as it matches, yeah, I know, look at those states and timelines,

1379
02:24:37,100 --> 02:24:41,720
and make sure that that's appropriate to add back in with the, I'm going to be nice for

1380
02:24:41,720 --> 02:24:43,260
way to do that, experts.

1381
02:24:45,940 --> 02:24:46,500
And

1382
02:24:55,240 --> 02:24:59,760
then I just clarify in with the references, so this is

1383
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:06,440
in subdivisions for 13,

1384
02:25:10,020 --> 02:25:15,220
for 13G, for preliminary plot, there's G, there's a requirement

1385
02:25:15,220 --> 02:25:22,040
for HIV, so basically you're CC&Rs, and I'm just saying that they're only required if there's

1386
02:25:23,800 --> 02:25:30,980
any shared or HIV parcels, let's to address private management easements,

1387
02:25:31,480 --> 02:25:37,700
fire homes, stormwater detention areas that will be maintained. Basically, for some reason, there's

1388
02:25:37,700 --> 02:25:43,460
a subdivision that does happen to not have any of those things that they're not forced to have

1389
02:25:43,460 --> 02:25:46,960
each way of requirements if it's not necessary.

1390
02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:53,200
I actually think the county has been using those

1391
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:58,000
to help ensure compliance with septic maintenance,

1392
02:25:58,360 --> 02:26:00,840
dark sky lighting.

1393
02:26:03,820 --> 02:26:04,640
They're cognizant.

1394
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:05,060
They're cognizant.

1395
02:26:08,050 --> 02:26:08,530
I don't know.

1396
02:26:08,650 --> 02:26:11,210
I agree that to the board whether or not

1397
02:26:11,210 --> 02:26:15,290
CC&Rs would be desired even if there was

1398
02:26:15,290 --> 02:26:18,810
a common road being utilized for access or something?

1399
02:26:18,830 --> 02:26:19,090
I

1400
02:26:33,490 --> 02:26:34,630
think it should be required.

1401
02:26:40,250 --> 02:26:43,030
Yeah, I mean the way we do our subdivisions is

1402
02:26:43,030 --> 02:26:44,690
in terms of the approval process.

1403
02:26:45,730 --> 02:26:46,430
We always...

1404
02:26:46,430 --> 02:26:48,930
Deep down on the HOAs to be able with to things that we can't do.

1405
02:26:51,150 --> 02:26:54,850
They also add a lot of restrictions of our above and beyond

1406
02:26:54,850 --> 02:26:56,530
what the content of the code is.

1407
02:26:56,710 --> 02:26:57,150
That's for sure.

1408
02:26:57,790 --> 02:26:58,610
What does that mean?

1409
02:26:58,810 --> 02:27:01,990
I'd like to design the individual subdivision design standards

1410
02:27:02,530 --> 02:27:07,330
it's not following agricultural operations in big Zeldland, those types of things.

1411
02:27:07,730 --> 02:27:09,410
We don't have any of those in the industry.

1412
02:27:10,170 --> 02:27:11,530
We have some of these students.

1413
02:27:12,570 --> 02:27:14,770
They're in the majority of the HLE requirements.

1414
02:27:15,110 --> 02:27:20,610
And the things that we're looking at, not to develop, and the things that we're looking at,

1415
02:27:20,750 --> 02:27:21,850
have nothing to do with design.

1416
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:26,070
Yeah, I'm just saying, like, by refiring them sometimes they go off the deep end,

1417
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:27,950
in regards to what they want to regulate.

1418
02:27:27,950 --> 02:27:33,010
Right, but that's up to the developer, right, and I'm sure the developer is.

1419
02:27:38,480 --> 02:27:38,540
Yeah.

1420
02:27:38,540 --> 02:27:39,760
I found the same type of thing.

1421
02:27:41,320 --> 02:27:51,300
Yeah, and then if you, if you, you know, in this area of impact, the idea is that the city

1422
02:27:51,300 --> 02:27:58,040
we have an ability to point that out during the training.

1423
02:27:59,420 --> 02:28:01,480
Yes, we haven't had that ability before, so.

1424
02:28:01,640 --> 02:28:02,240
Yeah, I mean, I see.

1425
02:28:05,060 --> 02:28:06,920
But are you dealing somehow?

1426
02:28:07,720 --> 02:28:08,820
How is the CD?

1427
02:28:12,340 --> 02:28:15,940
I guess I'm just trying to understand how and how

1428
02:28:17,160 --> 02:28:20,340
CC&R is our impact in the city.

1429
02:28:20,340 --> 02:28:25,580
I'm not specifically, I'm just thinking a lot of the CCNRs that I've seen that restrict

1430
02:28:25,580 --> 02:28:34,000
agricultural uses in agriculturalized areas, can just be counterintuitive to the comprehensive

1431
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:35,220
plan of the county.

1432
02:28:35,940 --> 02:28:50,320
This is where we want to see these activities take place, whether it's a two and a half

1433
02:28:50,320 --> 02:28:56,160
more of a personal concern that there's so many subdivisions that don't allow for those uses when it's

1434
02:28:56,160 --> 02:28:59,180
the intent of the county code to have those uses allowed.

1435
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:06,800
The county area example is where the city council has a living, so I have to go back and get for

1436
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:11,360
increased testing talent, which is the system of the county council plan. There are many of those

1437
02:29:11,360 --> 02:29:18,020
CC&R's prohibited who need to use and things like that. So it goes beyond BTB and check in,

1438
02:29:20,380 --> 02:29:29,480
But those are city, or in the city, so it's the city is a subdivision in the city.

1439
02:29:29,840 --> 02:29:31,420
Yeah, I'm just just examples that I've seen.

1440
02:29:35,620 --> 02:29:38,420
We add is kind of extra.

1441
02:29:41,110 --> 02:29:42,090
I think I just reword it.

1442
02:29:42,110 --> 02:29:44,550
I don't think there's really much and entench changed.

1443
02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:58,730
So same session for 13, D, 4, subsection C was one of their review criteria.

1444
02:30:00,210 --> 02:30:15,030
We just kind of reword in regards to impacts present for studies, we just kind of clarify that a little bit better and also adding items for potential mitigation.

1445
02:30:16,850 --> 02:30:29,330
So just whether or not we're looking that, looking for that as a review criteria and then kind of giving latitude for potential conditions to mitigate those that items.

1446
02:30:30,570 --> 02:30:32,750
I'm sorry, I'm not tracking where that is.

1447
02:30:32,890 --> 02:30:37,310
Okay, so the language before side impacts presented.

1448
02:30:37,310 --> 02:30:38,350
Where is it?

1449
02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:43,620
Oh, so under preliminary flat, four C.

1450
02:30:47,120 --> 02:30:48,380
So it's one of the review criteria.

1451
02:30:48,820 --> 02:30:49,560
It's at before.

1452
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:54,060
It's at impacts presented from any studies requested.

1453
02:31:10,170 --> 02:31:28,250
So it's under the review criteria, before it's had impacts presented from any studies requested, related to natural overlays, economic impacts, or traffic studies, and it just said, kind of period ended there.

1454
02:31:29,690 --> 02:31:38,070
So I'm suggesting a reward of impacts related to scenic corridors, natural resource overlay,

1455
02:31:38,950 --> 02:31:45,430
economic impacts or traffic impacts, and if or how those impacts are proposed to be mitigated,

1456
02:31:45,610 --> 02:31:52,080
and that would be what you would be reviewing as a review criteria. It just gives you again a little bit more

1457
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:59,180
ability that if they're not proposing any additional mitigations to those potential impacts

1458
02:31:59,180 --> 02:32:05,020
that you would have the ability to either add conditions to mitigate them or that could

1459
02:32:05,020 --> 02:32:10,820
be justification for a denial, other than just impacts presented in these studies period.

1460
02:32:17,100 --> 02:32:18,440
So I don't think it changes the intent.

1461
02:32:18,540 --> 02:32:23,960
Significantly it just, again, gives you that a little bit extra leverage to make sure that

1462
02:32:23,960 --> 02:32:30,720
Not only are the impacts being reviewed, but potentially whether or not they're mitigating those impacts.

1463
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:31,440
That's good.

1464
02:32:33,260 --> 02:32:37,700
I think that's one area that our code could be.

1465
02:32:39,560 --> 02:32:40,840
Sorry for that.

1466
02:32:41,140 --> 02:32:41,660
That's for you guys.

1467
02:32:45,350 --> 02:32:46,570
Yeah, that started.

1468
02:32:47,330 --> 02:32:47,610
Yeah.

1469
02:32:47,810 --> 02:32:49,890
Yeah, that sounds better than it does now.

1470
02:32:50,330 --> 02:32:58,850
And then I have the same calendar dates redlined that I did under short cloud.

1471
02:32:58,930 --> 02:33:03,550
I want to confirm that with Jade, because that seems like a more of a technical item.

1472
02:33:16,920 --> 02:33:21,860
But basically, it's within a certain number of days from different procedures.

1473
02:33:22,320 --> 02:33:28,720
We need different notifications, because I think our kind of covered in the general provisions.

1474
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:32,520
but I'll come from a date if we want to keep all those, how it's been written.

1475
02:33:38,620 --> 02:33:42,720
I didn't want to bring up while we're on the applications,

1476
02:33:43,380 --> 02:33:45,660
can modification of special use approval?

1477
02:33:47,600 --> 02:33:50,920
The way the county code reads is that if the modification

1478
02:33:50,920 --> 02:33:53,880
to a special use is binary, it can just go to the planning,

1479
02:33:54,060 --> 02:33:57,340
it's out in commission, and they would essentially determine, like,

1480
02:33:57,340 --> 02:34:01,220
Nope, this is full new application, goes to the board, et cetera.

1481
02:34:01,780 --> 02:34:08,380
But since the board is the final decision maker on special use permits,

1482
02:34:08,660 --> 02:34:11,240
I would suggest that any modifications,

1483
02:34:11,620 --> 02:34:14,700
especially use approvals, just go to the Board of County Commissioners,

1484
02:34:14,980 --> 02:34:16,840
and not a joint P&Z.

1485
02:34:16,940 --> 02:34:17,440
All right.

1486
02:34:21,510 --> 02:34:22,550
That works for the board.

1487
02:34:22,570 --> 02:34:23,690
That would be nice.

1488
02:34:23,950 --> 02:34:26,030
I think that special use.

1489
02:34:28,030 --> 02:34:29,130
I think that makes sense.

1490
02:34:29,750 --> 02:34:31,510
So modification, especially use approval,

1491
02:34:31,510 --> 02:34:39,410
goes straight to BOCC? I think so. Or if we wanted the PNZ to make

1492
02:34:39,410 --> 02:34:44,090
a recommendation, that would also be fine, but the way the county code reads it

1493
02:34:44,090 --> 02:34:47,210
essentially allows the planning commission to be the final decision maker on

1494
02:34:47,210 --> 02:34:52,130
that modification. And we would just want the final decision to be made by the

1495
02:34:52,130 --> 02:34:58,610
board. Okay, yep, that works. I think I'd be on because this is PZC, I just changed it

1496
02:34:58,610 --> 02:35:00,350
I didn't realize that.

1497
02:35:05,100 --> 02:35:06,640
I think that

1498
02:35:10,550 --> 02:35:13,510
the majors still go to the giant PNC.

1499
02:35:15,540 --> 02:35:17,200
Mine is just a registered tip.

1500
02:35:17,960 --> 02:35:24,360
Yeah, so majors would be a PNC would have a recommendation from the joint PNC,

1501
02:35:25,100 --> 02:35:27,920
and the BSCC would still be the, I don't decision major.

1502
02:35:28,060 --> 02:35:30,220
Just like any other humanitarian class,

1503
02:35:30,300 --> 02:35:32,200
so a modification to the flat would be the same.

1504
02:35:39,400 --> 02:35:41,040
It for chapter four.

1505
02:35:42,790 --> 02:35:45,650
I'm just going to make sure I did really have,

1506
02:35:47,470 --> 02:35:48,870
And I'm

1507
02:35:53,000 --> 02:35:56,920
looking through five to see if there's any tuning in substitute to two.

1508
02:36:27,220 --> 02:36:27,840
We had,

1509
02:36:30,300 --> 02:36:31,360
and it's mostly in the chart,

1510
02:36:34,470 --> 02:36:37,750
so this is going to be five, four, two, rip

1511
02:36:37,750 --> 02:36:38,510
hearing buffer.

1512
02:36:39,390 --> 02:36:46,210
Within the chart, since it's not redlined, we switched out the T-time river with stroke

1513
02:36:46,210 --> 02:36:46,790
brief.

1514
02:36:46,870 --> 02:36:53,530
This stroke briefs the only waterway that goes through the Victor A-Y, and then we've added

1515
02:36:53,530 --> 02:37:00,210
a FEMA floodplain buffer. This is something that we have in the city limits that has turned

1516
02:37:00,210 --> 02:37:06,810
out to be very productive and not producing any floodplain claims. And also kind of

1517
02:37:06,810 --> 02:37:13,050
predicts, protects those orders for wildlife as well. So from the edge of the floodplain,

1518
02:37:13,110 --> 02:37:21,970
there's an additional 50 feet separate for structures. So that is added to the chart. And then

1519
02:37:21,970 --> 02:37:22,710
and there's

1520
02:37:25,870 --> 02:37:29,450
any specific additional language in the chat.

1521
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:30,930
Let's adjust in the chat.

1522
02:37:32,470 --> 02:37:35,330
Was that additional setback camp have you seen

1523
02:37:35,330 --> 02:37:37,750
an increase in the request for their answers?

1524
02:37:39,790 --> 02:37:41,270
Not significantly, typically,

1525
02:37:41,450 --> 02:37:45,290
when we see requests for their answers dealing with this,

1526
02:37:45,390 --> 02:37:49,290
it is because there is a build to zone,

1527
02:37:49,490 --> 02:37:51,290
which is kind of the opposite of a setback,

1528
02:37:51,390 --> 02:37:53,310
so rather than having a minimum setback,

1529
02:37:53,310 --> 02:37:59,370
want people within, especially in the downtown area, we require them to build closer to the

1530
02:37:59,370 --> 02:38:06,370
street front edge. So when they build two zone and the flood zone conflict, there's so much

1531
02:38:06,370 --> 02:38:10,830
flood zone that you're not able to meet those built two requirements. That's typically where

1532
02:38:10,830 --> 02:38:18,730
we see variances. And in most cases, the applicant from our direction, the preferences to comply

1533
02:38:18,730 --> 02:38:23,570
with the floodplain and the floodplain buffer as much as possible and get the variance from the

1534
02:38:23,570 --> 02:38:31,830
build to zone. Otherwise from getting setback, buffer setbacks, I think we've only done

1535
02:38:31,830 --> 02:38:41,370
one in the last five years and that was only because that property had buffers on both the north

1536
02:38:41,370 --> 02:38:46,330
and south portions of this property and left a really, really small building envelope. So the

1537
02:38:46,330 --> 02:38:51,550
only way to have it be built upon was through the process of a number of

1538
02:38:51,550 --> 02:38:56,310
variances. And I think there was a total four variances in this case because the property

1539
02:38:56,310 --> 02:39:02,970
was so restrictive. So in general though, we do not see just, you know, people

1540
02:39:02,970 --> 02:39:06,190
concerned about the floodplain buffer, not being able to meet the floodplain buffer

1541
02:39:06,190 --> 02:39:12,510
and getting variances of it. It can even, even with the smaller lots within the

1542
02:39:12,510 --> 02:39:16,110
the city. It can be accommodated for

1543
02:39:30,030 --> 02:39:37,690
it. It is labeled as table 7. It's under 5-4-2

1544
02:39:37,690 --> 02:39:38,670
riparian buffer.

1545
02:39:43,960 --> 02:39:50,300
The only change we added trail creek in the place of the T-Tem River and we

1546
02:39:50,300 --> 02:39:56,560
added then the fleema fleema floodplain buffer, which is 50 feet outside the edge of the designated

1547
02:40:01,490 --> 02:40:17,530
I'm sorry, I assumed out of the section again because I was looking for something else, but are you afraid to just zone a, just zone a, just zone a, um, it would be any portion of the floodplain, um, so I know the quitting zone x.

1548
02:40:17,810 --> 02:40:21,950
No, not zone x, zone x is the where there's not floodplain correct.

1549
02:40:22,870 --> 02:40:26,590
It's on the full the 500 year floodplain.

1550
02:40:26,590 --> 02:40:37,810
I think we would probably honor that within the city, but I can I'll leave it up to you guys on which level you'd want to regulate that problem, so we can definitely we probably should now that we have those

1551
02:40:37,810 --> 02:40:48,050
or will lead what soon as it's effective, it should be clarified in this chart as well outside that outer edge of the designated floodplain under the

1552
02:40:57,330 --> 02:40:57,330
air.

1553
02:40:57,330 --> 02:41:05,270
Well, just screenshot really quickly, because I think Victor is one area where, in the area,

1554
02:41:05,450 --> 02:41:11,410
in fact, you can see the preliminary data is quite different from our, I'll talk a really

1555
02:41:12,030 --> 02:41:14,450
quick, effective floodplain.

1556
02:41:17,970 --> 02:41:22,490
Which is good. But, you know, there's not a ton of properties,

1557
02:41:23,130 --> 02:41:28,610
so the orange would be that 500 year, that's on X, and then the blue would be on A.

1558
02:41:29,550 --> 02:41:33,430
I mean, it's that AE. Maybe the red is actually the AA.

1559
02:41:36,450 --> 02:41:38,190
No, that's still AE would be.

1560
02:41:38,710 --> 02:41:38,730
So,

1561
02:41:40,880 --> 02:41:46,380
there is a bit more in the AI now that the prelim data would affect.

1562
02:41:58,990 --> 02:42:05,730
And, James, I think we, what did we land on for floodplain ordinance in the A to Y?

1563
02:42:05,890 --> 02:42:08,730
Just that counties will apply?

1564
02:42:09,390 --> 02:42:16,250
Okay, so anything related to flip-plane development

1565
02:42:16,250 --> 02:42:18,530
for us can be covered at the county level,

1566
02:42:19,230 --> 02:42:22,290
which, for example, something the county is

1567
02:42:22,290 --> 02:42:25,110
considering during when we update our ordinance with the updated

1568
02:42:25,110 --> 02:42:29,990
map is to not require flip-plane development parents

1569
02:42:29,990 --> 02:42:34,610
for buildings in zone X, but to require some specific building

1570
02:42:34,610 --> 02:42:40,230
requirements, so, you know, no basements or ventilated crawl spaces

1571
02:42:40,230 --> 02:42:44,630
instead, things like that, so we'll be making those amendments.

1572
02:42:51,210 --> 02:42:51,990
Good evening, very much.

1573
02:42:52,150 --> 02:42:52,490
I call

1574
02:43:02,570 --> 02:43:07,210
to patient, associate with the existing paratrooperations.

1575
02:43:07,810 --> 02:43:08,970
These are the exemptions.

1576
02:43:09,210 --> 02:43:11,110
So five, two, one, being two.

1577
02:43:13,610 --> 02:43:24,170
The only red line I have on that is two to two a occurring on natural slopes that are less than 30%.

1578
02:43:24,990 --> 02:43:27,590
That's the only red line that's on this version.

1579
02:43:28,030 --> 02:43:29,070
Yeah, that's what I have.

1580
02:43:29,610 --> 02:43:29,910
Okay, yeah.

1581
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:32,170
So do you want to keep that?

1582
02:43:32,810 --> 02:43:33,370
I think so.

1583
02:43:34,230 --> 02:43:36,170
I think I moved it because.

1584
02:43:36,810 --> 02:43:37,690
How is this helps?

1585
02:43:56,260 --> 02:43:56,980
It seems to

1586
02:43:59,930 --> 02:43:59,930
be.

1587
02:44:00,230 --> 02:44:04,970
So if the city has a 50 foot setback on the 100 year floodplain or the city.

1588
02:44:05,910 --> 02:44:07,630
You, the city does.

1589
02:44:08,510 --> 02:44:14,390
We now, you're suggesting the county has a 50 foot setback on the floodplain in the area

1590
02:44:17,650 --> 02:44:26,590
Then we are now in forcing a different regulation than in the Arab impact than the county, correct?

1591
02:44:31,030 --> 02:44:31,430
Correct.

1592
02:44:35,430 --> 02:44:37,670
Which I think it's good.

1593
02:44:38,090 --> 02:44:39,030
I'm not opposed.

1594
02:44:40,290 --> 02:44:45,630
I would just want to clarify some clarification for the zones,

1595
02:44:45,630 --> 02:44:52,730
So, which zones require the additional 50-foot set back other than outer edge of designated

1596
02:44:52,730 --> 02:44:55,410
plug plane, so just clarifying that a little bit.

1597
02:45:00,110 --> 02:45:12,690
Pardon? Yeah. So I'm going to add some a and parentheses 100 year. So people look at most people aren't going to know exactly what some a, as soon as they see it. So as long as we put both, I think it would be appropriate.

1598
02:45:13,490 --> 02:45:13,730
All right.

1599
02:45:24,960 --> 02:45:35,880
So there are some minor changes in 55 for scenic resources, mainly eliminating roadways that are not within the AOI.

1600
02:45:35,880 --> 02:45:40,360
those road sections, language

1601
02:45:44,360 --> 02:46:02,380
when it's not within those areas. And then in the type 1 and 2 resource development standards, I think there was just, I don't know, this was more formatic stuff that got messed up, that's fine.

1602
02:46:10,460 --> 02:46:15,800
Yeah, and then it's like, he's get duplicated somehow with the formatting and the comparison.

1603
02:46:16,940 --> 02:46:23,360
So I'm not removing any landscaping. It's just duplication of the charts.

1604
02:46:28,070 --> 02:46:29,050
Okay, parking space.

1605
02:46:29,450 --> 02:46:33,270
So yeah, we do add a G to parking.

1606
02:46:33,470 --> 02:46:37,870
So this is going to be section 5, 6, 3 parking.

1607
02:46:39,150 --> 02:46:47,730
And then, under that, it's G. So it's the very last item or just above 564, which is pedestrian access.

1608
02:46:48,210 --> 02:46:57,190
We add a requirement that parking locks for foreign 20 spaces or more are required to be paved, including parking spaces and drive aisles.

1609
02:46:57,870 --> 02:47:05,450
And this is just more in regards to consideration of if you're having a use that's been a trigger 20 parking spaces.

1610
02:47:06,230 --> 02:47:15,730
That's in the ALI with potential annexation opportunities of having it paved as consistent with the city.

1611
02:47:17,190 --> 02:47:22,010
You know, wouldn't be required for smaller loss, but something that would require 20 parking spaces.

1612
02:47:22,570 --> 02:47:28,550
We think this probably used that would be a bit more substantial and probably wouldn't be going away any time soon.

1613
02:47:29,530 --> 02:47:30,330
Right, right.

1614
02:47:34,310 --> 02:47:41,470
then I think we do some clarification in the vehicle loading. So 5, 6, 6, 6. Rather than it

1615
02:47:41,470 --> 02:47:46,490
being specifically limited to a zoning district, we're just kind of clarify that if it's

1616
02:47:46,490 --> 02:47:52,830
unloading of goods materials items that all of those need to meet these loading requirements,

1617
02:47:52,830 --> 02:47:55,150
and it's not specific to a zoning district.

1618
02:47:56,330 --> 02:47:58,110
There's a number of different uses,

1619
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:02,390
even agricultural, that could trigger this

1620
02:48:02,390 --> 02:48:05,510
if their loading areas happen to be right in the front yard.

1621
02:48:06,510 --> 02:48:10,130
And just making sure that they're trying to find better places

1622
02:48:10,130 --> 02:48:13,470
for those loading areas and screening where appropriate.

1623
02:48:39,070 --> 02:48:39,810
And I

1624
02:48:42,690 --> 02:48:45,450
think buffering is different than screening,

1625
02:48:45,450 --> 02:48:53,370
and I don't think there was any where that buffering was going to be required in the AY because

1626
02:48:53,370 --> 02:48:59,750
I was going to test generally by our own correct because of the zones that buffering is required

1627
02:48:59,750 --> 02:49:05,210
in in the county that would not apply to the AY. That's why that section is taken out. Yeah.

1628
02:49:23,980 --> 02:49:29,220
Temporary signs. It looks like it's the next thing that we added some clarification to 5, 9, 10.

1629
02:49:30,620 --> 02:49:39,560
and we just added basically a time limit. There's four temporary signs per year but

1630
02:49:39,560 --> 02:49:46,240
there wasn't anything of what defines the time limit of a temporary sign. So we just

1631
02:49:46,240 --> 02:49:52,640
added for a period of no longer than two weeks at any given time. So two weeks, four times

1632
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:53,740
throughout the year.

1633
02:50:06,860 --> 02:50:16,080
We need something, so we need something, so we need something, so maybe

1634
02:50:16,080 --> 02:50:16,800
we need something. We

1635
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:25,830
need something, so maybe we need something, so maybe we need something.

1636
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:32,550
We need something. Yeah, so that's all good. And then I added, it looks like this might be just

1637
02:50:32,550 --> 02:50:33,450
clear, re-wording.

1638
02:50:35,530 --> 02:50:39,110
Oh, I think there's more formatting, because it's the exact same wording.

1639
02:50:40,570 --> 02:50:43,770
So, there's actually no change to,

1640
02:50:50,580 --> 02:50:54,300
there's actually a change there, it just looks like it's

1641
02:50:54,300 --> 02:50:57,980
underlined and added back in for some reason, so I'm guessing it was a formatting issue.

1642
02:51:02,820 --> 02:51:04,020
And then that brings us to six.

1643
02:51:09,270 --> 02:51:17,750
So, the meaning thing with six is that the city and it's the kind of a large leader attachment

1644
02:51:17,750 --> 02:51:21,350
or a condom that we're adding.

1645
02:51:22,890 --> 02:51:29,150
Our city engineer has outlined kind of these modifications

1646
02:51:29,870 --> 02:51:31,950
to the county road standards.

1647
02:51:32,170 --> 02:51:36,150
It's just clarification on paving and

1648
02:51:39,900 --> 02:51:41,260
if you follow this section,

1649
02:51:41,420 --> 02:51:43,980
delete the section, that kind of thing,

1650
02:51:44,760 --> 02:51:49,520
just to make sure that ultimately it's the county road standards

1651
02:51:49,520 --> 02:51:50,340
that are being followed,

1652
02:51:50,340 --> 02:51:57,340
but it's these minor changes to have a pay of, and I think there might be,

1653
02:52:09,920 --> 02:52:10,300
this would

1654
02:52:10,300 --> 02:52:18,400
apply to basically new subdivision roads. We would not have any expectation in the county

1655
02:52:18,400 --> 02:52:24,820
roads would be needing to be paved through this process, but specifically for private roads

1656
02:52:25,920 --> 02:52:32,500
within new developments being paved so that they are later annexed into the city that they

1657
02:52:32,500 --> 02:52:35,600
immediately be maintained by the city as well.

1658
02:52:44,330 --> 02:52:46,430
I guess practically speaking,

1659
02:52:52,500 --> 02:52:53,140
the city

1660
02:52:53,140 --> 02:52:56,500
intends to adopt those internal subdivisions.

1661
02:52:58,920 --> 02:53:00,440
That's definitely the goal.

1662
02:53:01,280 --> 02:53:02,660
Once things are annexed,

1663
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:05,080
there will be required upgrades,

1664
02:53:05,380 --> 02:53:08,420
as it's required that everyone be connected to city water.

1665
02:53:09,480 --> 02:53:12,380
Subject and probably get filtered out over time

1666
02:53:12,380 --> 02:53:14,120
or have a time limit on when

1667
02:53:14,120 --> 02:53:23,760
subject systems are abandoned, but because of meeting a large service to be installed and

1668
02:53:23,760 --> 02:53:28,260
maintained by the city immediately we would want access appropriate roads to be able to access

1669
02:53:28,260 --> 02:53:31,880
those things, to maintain them.

1670
02:53:54,300 --> 02:53:55,080
Okay.

1671
02:53:57,900 --> 02:54:00,340
Yeah, but the fading would still be required.

1672
02:54:01,180 --> 02:54:02,080
Yeah, that's fine.

1673
02:54:02,800 --> 02:54:02,920
Yeah.

1674
02:54:02,920 --> 02:54:02,960
Yeah.

1675
02:54:03,280 --> 02:54:06,840
It's definitely probably a case by case on the size of the annexation.

1676
02:54:08,300 --> 02:54:08,860
Where it's at?

1677
02:54:09,020 --> 02:54:12,520
I'm sure there's some of those that we would have no problem staying.

1678
02:54:12,760 --> 02:54:13,040
It's private.

1679
02:54:14,860 --> 02:54:15,040
Okay.

1680
02:54:15,220 --> 02:54:17,580
One fire tone has the city of Victor adopted.

1681
02:54:24,890 --> 02:54:30,050
I only bring this up because the current subdivision ordinance for fire protection

1682
02:54:30,050 --> 02:54:32,630
for T. Jean-Camie is dated 2011.

1683
02:54:51,000 --> 02:54:51,960
We're while you're looking at that.

1684
02:54:52,480 --> 02:54:55,400
We, you know, I don't know how well this will

1685
02:54:55,400 --> 02:54:59,260
guide with your goals.

1686
02:55:06,680 --> 02:55:08,020
All these sort of visioners pay.

1687
02:55:08,200 --> 02:55:08,760
That makes sense.

1688
02:55:09,300 --> 02:55:09,860
Travelers.

1689
02:55:10,000 --> 02:55:12,100
All drivers must be constructed to refer

1690
02:55:12,100 --> 02:55:13,260
to seeing development and

1691
02:55:13,260 --> 02:55:16,600
dimension standards for public roads.

1692
02:55:16,680 --> 02:55:18,220
Must be for public work structure.

1693
02:55:18,280 --> 02:55:19,200
So we...

1694
02:55:20,520 --> 02:55:23,260
We have a lot of on-page roads, right?

1695
02:55:23,260 --> 02:55:28,420
So, and mostly they're going to run some of our, some divisions, some of them are just one

1696
02:55:28,420 --> 02:55:31,220
name house in 28 years, and it's a driveway essentially.

1697
02:55:33,460 --> 02:55:37,260
Um, a private road, private road service must be paid.

1698
02:55:39,120 --> 02:55:43,940
I assume that's excluding drivers, um, but I don't know.

1699
02:55:44,360 --> 02:55:51,360
And then, how does that drive us or this idea that we want to maintain, you know, the agriculture

1700
02:55:51,360 --> 02:55:54,140
the world nature of the area of impact until it's

1701
02:55:54,140 --> 02:55:55,160
can't be asked.

1702
02:55:56,600 --> 02:56:03,140
And it's doing cluster development with protection

1703
02:56:03,140 --> 02:56:04,320
of open space.

1704
02:56:05,220 --> 02:56:07,220
But there is a road going through the open space.

1705
02:56:07,440 --> 02:56:10,540
That is not like really appropriate to have

1706
02:56:10,540 --> 02:56:11,480
it be a paved road.

1707
02:56:11,600 --> 02:56:14,180
It's just getting from 0.8 to 0.8.

1708
02:56:15,020 --> 02:56:17,540
I worry about this requirement,

1709
02:56:17,740 --> 02:56:20,000
because I think there are these circumstances.

1710
02:56:20,000 --> 02:56:26,200
where nobody is going to want that road paved not the landowner, not the city, not the county, not the neighbors.

1711
02:56:28,180 --> 02:56:30,420
Also where it's, sorry.

1712
02:56:30,900 --> 02:56:32,240
No, I mean, I'm done better.

1713
02:56:32,320 --> 02:56:35,000
So we're potentially more challenging to bring it.

1714
02:56:35,760 --> 02:56:37,020
The water is there.

1715
02:56:37,640 --> 02:56:38,900
Oh, yeah.

1716
02:56:39,300 --> 02:56:39,740
Yeah.

1717
02:56:39,740 --> 02:56:41,200
So you have so there's a slide for good.

1718
02:56:41,460 --> 02:56:41,620
Yeah.

1719
02:56:41,620 --> 02:56:42,440
We put it in the water.

1720
02:56:42,980 --> 02:56:44,680
The water is just more expensive.

1721
02:56:45,420 --> 02:56:46,020
We can do that.

1722
02:56:46,120 --> 02:56:48,620
Well, then actually it's back to the subdivision part.

1723
02:56:49,340 --> 02:56:55,360
If it's a subdivision in the county, we want to typically be on the repair requirement

1724
02:56:55,360 --> 02:56:56,120
to be paid.

1725
02:56:56,660 --> 02:57:02,020
But if it's in the heroin impact, the requirement is that we're going to repeat adding

1726
02:57:02,020 --> 02:57:03,640
sewer down the road.

1727
02:57:03,640 --> 02:57:07,840
Do the commissionary thoughts on them,

1728
02:57:10,710 --> 02:57:17,270
I think the general concept is a lot of something that's, like it would be, that's something to be, right?

1729
02:57:17,770 --> 02:57:20,270
Even I don't know.

1730
02:57:20,270 --> 02:57:25,150
Yeah, I don't know how someone's to develop a subdivision within the city.

1731
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:27,050
We have our street stand, right?

1732
02:57:27,390 --> 02:57:29,010
To include eight men.

1733
02:57:29,530 --> 02:57:31,770
And prior to that, we also have to read standards.

1734
02:57:32,170 --> 02:57:33,450
So they would be paved as well.

1735
02:57:40,300 --> 02:57:44,440
But then it doesn't matter, you know, then it's like, it probably doesn't encourage

1736
02:57:44,440 --> 02:57:46,700
these exercises, you want it, right?

1737
02:57:47,140 --> 02:57:47,360
Yeah, yeah.

1738
02:57:47,360 --> 02:57:50,440
Yeah, I'm going to be wondering if that would become that a barrier in the organization,

1739
02:57:50,840 --> 02:57:53,120
and when it otherwise would have been able to be an easy-

1740
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:54,280
Yeah, yeah.

1741
02:57:54,360 --> 02:58:01,580
I just don't think that the length of statement that all private and public roads must be paved

1742
02:58:01,580 --> 02:58:04,480
is really, realistically,

1743
02:58:06,840 --> 02:58:10,880
always willing to be to the advantage of the city of the county.

1744
02:58:11,060 --> 02:58:15,120
What I'm thinking we could add, because we have something very similar in the city, so

1745
02:58:15,120 --> 02:58:16,920
I could look at to that as a reference,

1746
02:58:20,440 --> 02:58:25,740
is it could be exempt from being paved, approved by

1747
02:58:25,740 --> 02:58:29,120
B.O.C.C. because this would go through, this would be associated with the subdivision.

1748
02:58:29,120 --> 02:58:32,260
And that's 6th, 3, 3.

1749
02:58:33,260 --> 02:58:36,140
When else would private roads be added outside of a subdivision?

1750
02:58:42,110 --> 02:58:43,730
Some buildings building house.

1751
02:58:43,910 --> 02:58:45,250
I think it's a private road to access.

1752
02:58:49,240 --> 02:58:51,200
So I think we can definitely accept driveways.

1753
02:58:51,340 --> 02:58:53,600
I don't think that's the...

1754
02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:56,320
Commissioner Meal does bring a good point though that

1755
02:58:56,920 --> 02:59:01,920
Hanika requires things to be improved from driveway standards to road standards

1756
02:59:01,920 --> 02:59:06,000
once they're accessing two or more lots.

1757
02:59:07,240 --> 02:59:21,240
So if there weren't instance where, you know, there was a private driveway and then someone wanted to build and it would trigger those requirements, so just clarifying that I think.

1758
02:59:25,950 --> 02:59:28,350
is that it is not in the high-waisted hundreds?

1759
02:59:37,520 --> 02:59:39,900
You're talking about the difference between driveway and...

1760
02:59:41,780 --> 02:59:42,000
Yeah.

1761
02:59:42,000 --> 02:59:45,280
Yeah, that would just be the Tijon County highway standards.

1762
02:59:46,160 --> 02:59:50,120
Although I think our code did generally go over, like, at least the dimensions,

1763
02:59:51,700 --> 02:59:55,740
and that would be the major increase, is just the width of the road.

1764
03:00:03,600 --> 03:00:05,740
To requiring roads to be paved,

1765
03:00:09,380 --> 03:00:15,520
there's other implications beyond just its better for future annexation.

1766
03:00:17,320 --> 03:00:32,300
As you increase the number of roads that are paved during creasing the impervious surface, increasing the runoff, we talk about sewers like they're all sanitary sewers, but there's also storm sewers.

1767
03:00:32,300 --> 03:00:39,080
And you have to have those if you have a lot of paid roads, as anyone thought this all through.

1768
03:00:39,840 --> 03:00:43,180
I think the public works needs to weigh in on this also.

1769
03:00:49,790 --> 03:00:58,110
I think the intent for the city is definitely in regards to new roads that are associated with new subdivisions.

1770
03:00:59,190 --> 03:01:02,410
And I'm sure there's a way to clarify that.

1771
03:01:03,750 --> 03:01:08,530
And then there is a storm water issue.

1772
03:01:09,090 --> 03:01:10,090
I don't know.

1773
03:01:11,990 --> 03:01:15,750
There will be the more you pay for surfaces as time goes on.

1774
03:01:16,630 --> 03:01:18,230
You're creating a scum water issue.

1775
03:01:19,450 --> 03:01:21,570
How are you going to address it?

1776
03:01:22,370 --> 03:01:23,730
It's not with the first road.

1777
03:01:24,250 --> 03:01:25,590
Maybe not with the second road.

1778
03:01:25,810 --> 03:01:29,130
But you reach a point where you create so much impervious surface

1779
03:01:29,130 --> 03:01:30,530
that water's got to go somewhere.

1780
03:01:37,140 --> 03:01:43,970
Yeah, it doesn't look like ours, the

1781
03:01:46,660 --> 03:01:51,960
appendix that was provided by our engineer doesn't look like he's changing the

1782
03:01:52,820 --> 03:02:03,240
the ditch slopes or size requirements or anything like that. So I would venture to guess that they're

1783
03:02:03,240 --> 03:02:11,120
Expecting the road ditches to have general accommodations for those things

1784
03:02:12,920 --> 03:02:18,320
Then we probably want to live it should most of all very most of the visioners don't have ditches

1785
03:02:19,560 --> 03:02:20,680
They're just surface

1786
03:02:20,680 --> 03:02:21,600
The

1787
03:02:25,560 --> 03:02:27,720
road standards have a one for

1788
03:02:28,260 --> 03:02:33,720
Slope away from the road surface on all all of the current roads standards in the coming

1789
03:02:37,600 --> 03:02:38,800
and then a two-one coming

1790
03:02:40,620 --> 03:02:45,800
So the crown creates shedding of water off the low.

1791
03:02:45,880 --> 03:02:51,660
Yeah, it's a 2% from the crown to the edge of the, well, edge of pavement or edge of roadway.

1792
03:02:52,300 --> 03:02:56,840
And then a 4-1 slope to create a little bit of a ditch.

1793
03:02:57,540 --> 03:03:03,180
And then it has a 2-1 minimum from the private property coming into that ditch.

1794
03:03:03,340 --> 03:03:04,380
So it does feel as well.

1795
03:03:05,500 --> 03:03:05,700
Yeah.

1796
03:03:05,700 --> 03:03:11,080
I think it depends on, you know, talking about both, like, hollow,

1797
03:03:13,970 --> 03:03:15,770
Timberline, Dolph Fist,

1798
03:03:15,830 --> 03:03:22,150
which is on spring, all of these are heavily paved, and the road really runs right into your

1799
03:03:22,150 --> 03:03:22,590
mind.

1800
03:03:22,970 --> 03:03:23,930
Another is, no.

1801
03:03:24,450 --> 03:03:25,010
Don't shout.

1802
03:03:25,190 --> 03:03:25,770
It's a problem.

1803
03:03:26,070 --> 03:03:26,790
It's a city of danger.

1804
03:03:27,070 --> 03:03:27,610
Not a forcing.

1805
03:03:28,930 --> 03:03:30,390
So, they're like, are you ready to depart?

1806
03:03:30,610 --> 03:03:30,890
Yeah.

1807
03:03:30,890 --> 03:03:31,690
I'm going to accept it.

1808
03:03:34,060 --> 03:03:35,160
And we just have that up, because

1809
03:03:43,800 --> 03:03:44,700
you see, it's me.

1810
03:03:49,910 --> 03:03:50,990
I'm just raising the question.

1811
03:03:50,990 --> 03:03:53,530
If you're civil engineer signed off on it,

1812
03:03:53,630 --> 03:03:55,430
we'd love it, but I guess we'll love it too.

1813
03:03:55,550 --> 03:03:56,930
But yeah, we could not do that.

1814
03:03:57,470 --> 03:04:00,150
Through the city is always in the end of the year.

1815
03:04:01,150 --> 03:04:03,510
But I think we probably do need more clarification

1816
03:04:04,070 --> 03:04:07,650
to match the city's intent in regards to this applying

1817
03:04:07,650 --> 03:04:09,730
to new subdivisions and not necessarily

1818
03:04:09,730 --> 03:04:13,350
to all new private roads that would ultimately be,

1819
03:04:13,350 --> 03:04:14,370
you know, someone's driving away.

1820
03:04:15,210 --> 03:04:16,850
So I think we definitely need more.

1821
03:04:16,970 --> 03:04:19,550
I got, I can probably work with Jade to figure out

1822
03:04:19,550 --> 03:04:23,010
if this needs to be like a separate kind of ease

1823
03:04:23,010 --> 03:04:27,390
subsection of this or kind of

1824
03:04:32,640 --> 03:04:32,640
like

1825
03:04:32,640 --> 03:04:35,220
where the best location of that language would be.

1826
03:04:38,410 --> 03:04:40,470
I guess, I think this was already asked,

1827
03:04:40,510 --> 03:04:42,570
but it was maybe hard for me to hear

1828
03:04:42,570 --> 03:04:46,310
just about requiring pavement where utilities

1829
03:04:46,310 --> 03:04:49,030
are not yet in place, like city utilities,

1830
03:04:50,710 --> 03:04:52,090
and the fact that if we annexed

1831
03:04:52,090 --> 03:04:54,190
then we're digging up pavement,

1832
03:04:56,320 --> 03:04:59,160
is that a cost burden, or I guess I don't know,

1833
03:05:00,960 --> 03:05:05,860
Um, they're probably the easier to add it into the ditch areas than under the roadway and

1834
03:05:05,860 --> 03:05:11,180
have water on one side and sewer on one side would meet all of the separation requirements

1835
03:05:11,180 --> 03:05:14,300
and would be a lot easier to be done and maintained.

1836
03:05:15,400 --> 03:05:15,420
Okay.

1837
03:05:18,380 --> 03:05:19,160
Um, all right.

1838
03:05:19,420 --> 03:05:23,340
I do need to pop off for more well at 12 o'clock since seven minutes late.

1839
03:05:23,780 --> 03:05:25,900
Um, but I'll be available for follow-up questions.

1840
03:05:25,900 --> 03:05:32,700
came if you have any and believe as it pertains to the AI boundary I kind of identified in the

1841
03:05:32,700 --> 03:05:39,700
county staff report areas that came up from the public that were at interest mostly along

1842
03:05:39,700 --> 03:05:48,840
9500 South the foothills not near old Jackson Highway in the bits on the north and those larger

1843
03:05:48,840 --> 03:05:51,560
40 acre parcels, so.

1844
03:05:51,960 --> 03:05:53,280
Thank you.

1845
03:05:53,460 --> 03:05:54,180
Hi, everybody.

1846
03:05:54,760 --> 03:05:55,160
Thank you.

1847
03:05:55,320 --> 03:05:56,840
We're in the home stretch, guys.

1848
03:05:58,100 --> 03:05:58,680
Are we good?

1849
03:05:58,680 --> 03:05:58,940
Yeah.

1850
03:05:59,240 --> 03:06:01,200
We're at dead ends and then in the definitions.

1851
03:06:03,300 --> 03:06:04,800
We're utility, some of them.

1852
03:06:04,960 --> 03:06:06,440
I should speak up and then take a break.

1853
03:06:08,640 --> 03:06:09,880
So dead ends.

1854
03:06:10,060 --> 03:06:13,460
We just added clarification that new dead ends should be avoided

1855
03:06:13,460 --> 03:06:16,920
and to kind of refer back to the stub road section.

1856
03:06:16,920 --> 03:06:23,080
We'd rather have stub roads that have the ability to be connected if it's clearly, you know,

1857
03:06:23,220 --> 03:06:32,240
this isn't as black and white of a co-section, but definitely something that can help give leverage to you have stub roads instead of dead ends,

1858
03:06:32,360 --> 03:06:40,600
but if subroads are not possible, it's adjacent to another developed subdivision or some type of dedicated open space where you're not going to have free traffic,

1859
03:06:40,600 --> 03:06:43,540
than the data and what clearly be the preferred option.

1860
03:06:43,800 --> 03:06:48,520
But just outlining that it should be avoided when possible

1861
03:06:48,520 --> 03:06:50,600
and do a stop road if you're able to.

1862
03:06:55,250 --> 03:06:58,150
I think there's,

1863
03:07:03,020 --> 03:07:04,740
yeah, nothing substantial in utilities

1864
03:07:04,740 --> 03:07:06,420
and then we get into definitions.

1865
03:07:07,460 --> 03:07:12,600
I think I only clarified density average

1866
03:07:12,600 --> 03:07:14,780
and emergency lighting.

1867
03:07:14,780 --> 03:07:17,120
it didn't think that. Oh, and jump.

1868
03:07:18,920 --> 03:07:20,500
Those are the only definitions we added.

1869
03:07:25,950 --> 03:07:27,390
Yes, they're brand-new.

1870
03:07:27,590 --> 03:07:28,010
They're not.

1871
03:07:28,490 --> 03:07:32,650
Density average, I think, comes from your use

1872
03:07:32,650 --> 03:07:34,750
for your bulk chart and table.

1873
03:07:35,690 --> 03:07:38,090
We're just pulling it into the definition section.

1874
03:07:39,330 --> 03:07:41,350
And I think we also...

1875
03:07:41,350 --> 03:07:42,970
We're going to dedicate it to public heat.

1876
03:07:46,790 --> 03:07:49,690
So, it's the number of dwellings units for acre,

1877
03:07:49,690 --> 03:07:56,670
For the total land to be developed, including the land dedicated for public use and that would be a roadways.

1878
03:07:58,110 --> 03:08:04,010
So again, I think we just pulled that from your, what was normally outlined in your bulk standards.

1879
03:08:04,470 --> 03:08:08,010
We put it into the definitions because we don't have that in our bulk standards.

1880
03:08:08,810 --> 03:08:14,890
It would only in the ROI would only apply to our new zone three.

1881
03:08:19,370 --> 03:08:30,510
Emergency lighting, there was one reference to emergency lighting as emergency lighting to be exempt from some standards, but it didn't provide any definition of what emergency lighting was.

1882
03:08:31,150 --> 03:08:38,030
So I was kind of afraid that would be potentially used as a loophole of someone just saying, oh well, it's emergency lighting, so I don't have to follow your standards.

1883
03:08:38,030 --> 03:08:46,450
So, giving a definition, kind of lighting to be activated when normal light fails, to reason

1884
03:08:46,450 --> 03:08:53,870
to help people either leaving a building, can be designed for an escape lighting or a backup

1885
03:08:53,870 --> 03:08:54,270
lighting.

1886
03:08:54,670 --> 03:09:00,350
So, whether it's your standard lights would go out in a power outage and this would be your backup

1887
03:09:00,350 --> 03:09:06,050
lighting whether served by a generator or a battery source, but also then, in the aspect

1888
03:09:06,050 --> 03:09:09,010
of building safety or emergency lighting,

1889
03:09:09,250 --> 03:09:10,390
and those types of things would apply.

1890
03:09:14,040 --> 03:09:18,540
And then in a junk, we added as well.

1891
03:09:19,040 --> 03:09:22,640
I think this is mainly because it pertains specifically

1892
03:09:22,640 --> 03:09:26,580
to a recent enforcement issue that we're having,

1893
03:09:26,700 --> 03:09:30,580
but basically, it's a laparated scrap of abandoned,

1894
03:09:30,880 --> 03:09:33,160
are kind of the key terms there in regards

1895
03:09:33,160 --> 03:09:37,000
to different types of materials that people could potentially

1896
03:09:37,000 --> 03:09:40,100
have collected on their property

1897
03:09:47,900 --> 03:09:51,900
that's it we made it so I'll link these

1898
03:09:51,900 --> 03:09:57,240
adjustments and whatever we choose to schedule another meeting I will have all of these

1899
03:09:58,020 --> 03:09:59,540
ready for you

1900
03:10:05,080 --> 03:10:10,200
what do you what do you guys want from great you're going to have to leave it

1901
03:10:10,200 --> 03:10:13,700
12 30 so I'm sorry

1902
03:10:23,840 --> 03:10:27,800
do you want to say you want to put these your thoughts on the map

1903
03:10:27,800 --> 03:10:31,040
if you guys had any feedback I

1904
03:10:39,780 --> 03:10:42,820
do see value in square and off this northern end

1905
03:10:42,820 --> 03:10:52,320
there's a more south 38 years to 40s adjacent to it that was talked about the comment on the northwest part of the highway there and that

1906
03:10:52,320 --> 03:11:12,800
because I don't see that to me is I think we have enough future on my gear if we just kind of

1907
03:11:18,650 --> 03:11:20,390
It is the city's property.

1908
03:11:21,850 --> 03:11:24,930
The extension we were hoping for has already been removed.

1909
03:11:25,190 --> 03:11:28,210
So the city would definitely be open to taking that out of the spot.

1910
03:11:28,470 --> 03:11:31,490
We don't need that to be in the city, but it's the way so speak.

1911
03:11:31,650 --> 03:11:33,070
We don't need it in the A.O.I.

1912
03:11:33,110 --> 03:11:34,330
That would be great.

1913
03:11:36,330 --> 03:11:37,790
And then, you know, I don't know what J.D.P.

1914
03:11:37,790 --> 03:11:41,350
I don't know if she's talking about the least.

1915
03:11:41,550 --> 03:11:42,970
It's not even to sound like a trail.

1916
03:11:42,970 --> 03:11:51,730
excited that we discussed that internally, what we had since, and then just a general comment,

1917
03:11:52,830 --> 03:11:59,170
you know, you have to have boundary somewhere, so there was some suggestion of a comment that, you know,

1918
03:12:01,470 --> 03:12:05,350
they didn't like where the boundary was, but again, it has to be somewhere.

1919
03:12:05,790 --> 03:12:09,690
So I actually think this is a very logical,

1920
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:14,740
like what this should look like,

1921
03:12:14,740 --> 03:12:18,800
and the colleagues and accounts for, I think,

1922
03:12:18,920 --> 03:12:20,900
I mean, future girls, but also recognize

1923
03:12:20,900 --> 03:12:25,020
what is the fact that a county property

1924
03:12:25,020 --> 03:12:28,100
and a county selling rather than ever,

1925
03:12:30,790 --> 03:12:32,430
that will sit in harmony goes away

1926
03:12:32,430 --> 03:12:35,090
and they'll be short about how important that is.

1927
03:12:35,310 --> 03:12:36,970
But thank you, General, it looks pretty good.

1928
03:12:43,200 --> 03:12:44,400
The could generally disagree.

1929
03:12:44,720 --> 03:12:45,980
All right, I agree with you.

1930
03:12:47,940 --> 03:12:48,420
I agree with you.

1931
03:12:48,420 --> 03:12:49,140
I didn't need a break.

1932
03:12:49,380 --> 03:12:50,340
I'm not listening to that.

1933
03:12:51,140 --> 03:12:51,920
No, I agree.

1934
03:12:56,200 --> 03:13:00,060
We can dive into this after the break if you guys need a break, I just wanted to hear our question.

1935
03:13:00,960 --> 03:13:03,300
We need to talk through it.

1936
03:13:04,220 --> 03:13:04,820
But generally,

1937
03:13:09,310 --> 03:13:16,150
when you're referring to the boundary, which section where you're referring to is the boundary to somewhere?

1938
03:13:17,050 --> 03:13:19,050
Well, I can explain it differently.

1939
03:13:19,050 --> 03:13:27,330
There is a very wealthy somewhat new property on the valley who wants in some theory to own all of the property adjacent to him

1940
03:13:28,850 --> 03:13:30,130
And I

1941
03:13:30,130 --> 03:13:31,850
That only stopped at the oceans

1942
03:13:31,850 --> 03:13:34,010
Where is that stop?

1943
03:13:34,270 --> 03:13:40,170
And so what I'm saying is the city has to stop somewhere in an AOA started somewhere in a county start somewhere

1944
03:13:41,330 --> 03:13:43,170
Again, it seems suggested

1945
03:13:43,910 --> 03:13:46,370
They didn't like where the line is

1946
03:13:46,370 --> 03:13:48,810
But there has to be a line for it.

1947
03:13:48,810 --> 03:13:51,650
And the state has provided some suggestions of guidelines

1948
03:13:51,650 --> 03:13:53,190
on where that's going to be.

1949
03:13:53,550 --> 03:13:56,130
The A-Y line, the city line, is the city line.

1950
03:13:56,450 --> 03:13:57,570
You guys know what you are.

1951
03:13:58,230 --> 03:14:03,330
The A-Y line is where you intend to grow,

1952
03:14:04,670 --> 03:14:07,930
where you're in the next five to 10 years.

1953
03:14:09,150 --> 03:14:12,670
I was a city like in the annexation.

1954
03:14:13,550 --> 03:14:14,750
And the rest is just county.

1955
03:14:14,750 --> 03:14:30,810
Yeah, I would, I mean, personally, I, I don't intend to have any, or I mean, I would, I would feel in that court as to be, I think it's, it's not, it's strategic objective to develop the rest of the, it's just, that's the logical grant.

1956
03:14:31,630 --> 03:14:34,630
Well, I mean, it kind of has to be.

1957
03:14:37,050 --> 03:14:50,070
That's the crux of the new AOI statue, it has to be where the city expects to grow and the next

1958
03:14:52,080 --> 03:14:55,540
And then you can move it out from there.

1959
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:11,240
Based on geography and utilities, characteristics of a land in your comprehensive land, you know, all the things,

1960
03:15:14,690 --> 03:15:33,530
and I think what, I know it's like really hard to do and to protect and to know, but the idea is to really identify to the community, like, these are the places where you have access in the future and the near future.

1961
03:15:33,530 --> 03:15:41,990
or not the 50, 60, 70 of future, this is where there's an opportunity to take an X and get higher density.

1962
03:15:44,350 --> 03:16:01,650
Yeah, I think taking into consideration's questions comments agree with those as well that beyond those changes, I think this obviously not all of it at once, but if any one of these parcels came in for annexation,

1963
03:16:01,650 --> 03:16:08,610
I think it would be seriously considered, obviously, I can't project what council would approve,

1964
03:16:09,090 --> 03:16:15,690
but it definitely would make sense from a planning perspective that any of those would have likely

1965
03:16:15,690 --> 03:16:20,310
hud of being annexed. Something that's in the AOI.

1966
03:16:20,590 --> 03:16:25,150
Yeah, in the proposed year, the boundaries that we just talked about, and then also with the

1967
03:16:25,150 --> 03:16:30,070
removing the items that you talked about that. I think what would be about

1968
03:16:31,730 --> 03:16:36,510
168 acres immediately west of the reserve and removing the little carve out

1969
03:16:36,510 --> 03:16:40,670
for the city property. Again, the exemption that we were hoping to have

1970
03:16:40,670 --> 03:16:46,050
were that has already been removed. So there's no reason to have that in. So we'll

1971
03:16:46,050 --> 03:16:53,990
you know, buy it those changes. I think again, any any one of those parcels if

1972
03:16:53,990 --> 03:16:57,170
came in with an annexation application and we would

1973
03:16:58,550 --> 03:17:01,230
who definitely have some positive consideration.

1974
03:17:05,620 --> 03:17:09,580
I think a reiteration of lifeways is because there's a subdivision here inside

1975
03:17:09,580 --> 03:17:12,160
the city. It doesn't mean there needs to be one on the other side of the highway.

1976
03:17:12,500 --> 03:17:14,560
Just to get a task to stop somewhere.

1977
03:17:14,900 --> 03:17:15,560
Right. Okay.

1978
03:17:29,380 --> 03:17:29,920
At the moment.

1979
03:17:30,160 --> 03:17:30,500
At the moment.

1980
03:17:30,640 --> 03:17:31,660
At the moment.

1981
03:17:31,660 --> 03:17:31,960
At the moment.

1982
03:17:32,000 --> 03:17:32,860
At the moment.

1983
03:17:33,120 --> 03:17:33,340
At the moment.

1984
03:17:36,400 --> 03:17:39,100
She is a lot of really cool open space ideas.

1985
03:17:39,100 --> 03:17:40,860
including potential medications.

1986
03:17:41,220 --> 03:17:42,280
So we'll keep an eye on this.

1987
03:17:56,800 --> 03:17:57,980
Matt is actually a little more.

1988
03:18:00,410 --> 03:18:00,610
Yeah.

1989
03:18:00,610 --> 03:18:03,050
Peace by that red line there.

1990
03:18:03,370 --> 03:18:04,690
Dr. Glenn, did they go with that?

1991
03:18:25,040 --> 03:18:25,280
Yes.

1992
03:18:25,400 --> 03:18:30,100
I'm looking at the one that has both the proposed county and the proposed city

1993
03:18:30,100 --> 03:18:34,360
is only, there's the others, other maps that we find it.

1994
03:18:35,420 --> 03:18:38,660
This is more, these next year are free and more.

1995
03:18:38,880 --> 03:18:41,180
So we can figure out why you're making a motion on.

1996
03:18:41,380 --> 03:18:42,340
There's only through this area.

1997
03:18:42,480 --> 03:18:44,220
I don't know if it's only a five city section.

1998
03:18:50,520 --> 03:18:53,520
So that's why those work in our separate place.

1999
03:18:53,900 --> 03:18:57,220
But that one we can do is use one.

2000
03:18:58,200 --> 03:18:59,880
We'll go back because there's transparency.

2001
03:19:00,300 --> 03:19:04,840
You can actually see a little bit of what's underneath it and figure out where you're at.

2002
03:19:09,020 --> 03:19:09,800
Yeah, go forward.

2003
03:19:32,930 --> 03:19:34,070
I mean, I can see it pretty well.

2004
03:19:41,630 --> 03:19:46,630
I agree with that pulling back from six out of the south.

2005
03:19:49,190 --> 03:19:51,410
makes a lot of sense for the county.

2006
03:19:54,590 --> 03:19:57,110
I'm still a little bit troubled with some of the stuff on

2007
03:19:57,110 --> 03:20:00,010
the southwest and the southeast,

2008
03:20:04,720 --> 03:20:06,540
where we've got

2009
03:20:17,640 --> 03:20:23,060
AG-35s owning or hillside 20 in areas that are already

2010
03:20:24,880 --> 03:20:25,520
essentially

2011
03:20:27,600 --> 03:20:29,580
subdivided. A fairly high density.

2012
03:20:31,760 --> 03:20:35,020
What is states or

2013
03:20:37,450 --> 03:20:37,710
what?

2014
03:20:37,870 --> 03:20:47,430
Well, some of that stuff in between the existing ALI and the proposed one,

2015
03:20:50,820 --> 03:20:51,100
it's all

2016
03:20:51,100 --> 03:20:51,940
subdivisions.

2017
03:20:52,740 --> 03:20:58,440
Like the piece that's north of Teton Springs and west of 500 West,

2018
03:21:00,460 --> 03:21:01,820
that 40 acres square.

2019
03:21:06,300 --> 03:21:07,960
Outside of that proposed line?

2020
03:21:08,540 --> 03:21:08,720
Yes.

2021
03:21:08,720 --> 03:21:10,540
I think the losses are small.

2022
03:21:11,040 --> 03:21:11,860
Like we're not going to act.

2023
03:21:14,250 --> 03:21:14,430
Yeah.

2024
03:21:14,430 --> 03:21:14,530
All right.

2025
03:21:14,610 --> 03:21:15,870
You said that earlier.

2026
03:21:16,890 --> 03:21:17,030
Mm.

2027
03:21:19,670 --> 03:21:19,710
All right.

2028
03:21:19,950 --> 03:21:20,510
If

2029
03:21:24,380 --> 03:21:28,760
you're referring to where the zoning in ALR and the case.

2030
03:21:29,180 --> 03:21:30,120
Well, we're going to agree.

2031
03:21:30,360 --> 03:21:30,960
You were, yeah.

2032
03:21:31,320 --> 03:21:38,900
It's suggesting that the zoning goes to 835 in an area where I don't think there's a 35 maker.

2033
03:21:39,260 --> 03:21:40,740
A lot in there.

2034
03:21:41,200 --> 03:21:42,100
So, right.

2035
03:21:42,760 --> 03:21:46,260
It's they're all except for a few exceptions

2036
03:21:47,200 --> 03:21:50,220
But that's because it will be seen eventually

2037
03:21:51,080 --> 03:21:53,100
And the much higher doesn't

2038
03:21:54,320 --> 03:21:57,280
It's not in the A or it's not in the closed A or

2039
03:21:58,280 --> 03:21:59,160
That's coming out

2040
03:21:59,160 --> 03:22:01,500
It's coming out which one are you talking about Michael

2041
03:22:07,270 --> 03:22:10,070
This stuff down here. Yeah, that's where I was looking to

2042
03:22:11,070 --> 03:22:12,930
And some of this right here

2043
03:22:12,930 --> 03:22:12,930
I

2044
03:22:19,170 --> 03:22:20,930
mean, frankly,

2045
03:22:25,660 --> 03:22:28,940
when we approve some of those subdivisions like

2046
03:22:31,310 --> 03:22:34,910
just me and Lisa, I was really

2047
03:22:34,910 --> 03:22:42,410
appalled that we were approving individual septic, but it's almost down to one acre zoning.

2048
03:22:42,470 --> 03:22:44,550
When you include the human use,

2049
03:22:47,940 --> 03:22:51,260
I hope was that eventually once there was surcapacity that

2050
03:22:51,260 --> 03:22:59,860
goes and go into the city, because we've created something that's going to hurt us all.

2051
03:23:00,160 --> 03:23:00,700
I think.

2052
03:23:02,760 --> 03:23:08,400
Well, we had to, we had to follow the old code, but it's two and a half acres only with

2053
03:23:08,400 --> 03:23:11,480
ADUs and pretty substantial subdivision.

2054
03:23:14,140 --> 03:23:21,730
Yeah, I guess there isn't anything in this whole, this whole quadrant that's less than

2055
03:23:24,420 --> 03:23:27,660
Maybe you've got a couple of people who are in one anger or a little trail creep.

2056
03:23:32,600 --> 03:23:36,500
This does all have a very county feel to it.

2057
03:23:36,860 --> 03:23:42,460
You know, part of the reason we are seeing here is, I agree with you.

2058
03:23:42,660 --> 03:23:43,940
I think Jeremy might have a little

2059
03:23:46,400 --> 03:23:47,320
acidity in the line.

2060
03:23:47,500 --> 03:23:50,360
Possibly down a five-per-way storm of the story, either.

2061
03:23:54,020 --> 03:24:00,680
You've also, you know, wrote, there's these several of these non-compliant subdivisions.

2062
03:24:00,980 --> 03:24:02,700
Now, I'd like to point up a one, ninety-five hundred.

2063
03:24:02,700 --> 03:24:09,620
on the northern boundary of the old line that they don't know if it's just a disaster to try

2064
03:24:09,620 --> 03:24:13,760
out what we did in the county at the city, and that

2065
03:24:20,290 --> 03:24:22,370
would just be for that portion, that's

2066
03:24:22,370 --> 03:24:26,410
specifically, and I don't know if there'd be another serious list of calls on this side.

2067
03:24:26,810 --> 03:24:30,510
This entire area is dirt road to an a half-acre loss.

2068
03:24:41,040 --> 03:24:48,340
I don't know if the 35, you know, the LA-35 is the back zoning port, the city just kind of suggested,

2069
03:24:48,340 --> 03:24:52,520
And we literally just took the surrounding zoning districts and pulled them in when we created

2070
03:24:52,520 --> 03:24:53,100
the boundaries.

2071
03:24:54,120 --> 03:24:58,520
We didn't want to concerns of spot zoning, but if there's appropriate justification

2072
03:24:58,520 --> 03:25:04,620
of, okay, well, all of these, you know, because of that common denominator of being mostly

2073
03:25:04,620 --> 03:25:13,520
already developed might be better suited for your RN5, then maybe that's appropriate, and

2074
03:25:13,520 --> 03:25:17,820
as long as it's a larger cohesive chunk,

2075
03:25:18,120 --> 03:25:20,560
rather than individual subdivisions,

2076
03:25:21,260 --> 03:25:23,440
then I don't think it would be considered the spot-sounding.

2077
03:25:24,740 --> 03:25:31,440
It's almost, yeah, to go from 2.5 to 35.

2078
03:25:33,510 --> 03:25:35,170
It's a huge jump.

2079
03:25:36,610 --> 03:25:39,890
It creates a liability for all of us

2080
03:25:39,890 --> 03:25:41,630
thing in terms of,

2081
03:25:44,510 --> 03:25:46,270
you know, that big of a down song,

2082
03:25:48,660 --> 03:25:50,620
people taking, doing a taking in

2083
03:25:50,620 --> 03:25:57,000
Alice or whatever, and suggesting that we're a troll-outway. And it does so to know benefit

2084
03:25:57,000 --> 03:26:02,240
to the county because it's already developed, there's nothing there to protect.

2085
03:26:03,260 --> 03:26:10,240
Well, there's a few underdeveloped larger pieces, but by and large you're right.

2086
03:26:42,590 --> 03:26:43,150
It's just

2087
03:26:43,150 --> 03:26:50,350
why it is what it is, is because the serious area in the night was jumping and that all remained

2088
03:26:50,350 --> 03:26:51,250
2.5.

2089
03:26:51,710 --> 03:26:52,850
The far too long.

2090
03:26:53,050 --> 03:26:55,990
It's all developed the way it is because that's where the area is and where it was.

2091
03:26:56,690 --> 03:26:57,240
That is why.

2092
03:27:13,740 --> 03:27:15,700
Yeah, you suggest it's got a county field.

2093
03:27:15,900 --> 03:27:17,920
It doesn't have county field to be at all.

2094
03:27:18,460 --> 03:27:22,380
It feels like it's a more urban, at least suburban.

2095
03:27:24,260 --> 03:27:25,120
I mean.

2096
03:27:25,120 --> 03:27:26,340
It's ex-serven sprawl.

2097
03:27:26,500 --> 03:27:27,160
They're used to pay about.

2098
03:27:27,300 --> 03:27:30,160
They used to be two PUDs and current AOI, right?

2099
03:27:31,360 --> 03:27:32,680
No, not all of them.

2100
03:27:33,960 --> 03:27:37,520
There were two PUDs and the current AOI.

2101
03:27:39,750 --> 03:27:42,190
Teton, right?

2102
03:27:42,370 --> 03:27:43,290
Tom's brain is over-reserved.

2103
03:27:45,010 --> 03:27:46,370
How did those come to be?

2104
03:27:47,450 --> 03:27:52,030
Counting had a POD or Nens and some county commissioners long before us?

2105
03:27:52,070 --> 03:27:53,850
But they've got city services.

2106
03:27:54,430 --> 03:27:55,470
Oh, that's a good question.

2107
03:27:58,620 --> 03:27:59,340
I like the answer.

2108
03:27:59,680 --> 03:28:00,100
The research.

2109
03:28:05,480 --> 03:28:05,920
I

2110
03:28:17,280 --> 03:28:24,080
don't know what kind of deals were made, or even if any deals were made, but the C.D.A.M. access.

2111
03:28:28,260 --> 03:28:29,020
But what do you have?

2112
03:28:29,200 --> 03:28:31,380
I mean, you got like, what is the technical answer?

2113
03:28:32,680 --> 03:28:32,880
Yes.

2114
03:28:35,460 --> 03:28:38,640
Do you have a date on your date on your date on your date on your date on your date on your date?

2115
03:29:01,460 --> 03:29:02,860
Is it going to the Drake sewer?

2116
03:29:03,420 --> 03:29:03,640
Yeah.

2117
03:29:04,040 --> 03:29:04,180
Yeah.

2118
03:29:04,180 --> 03:29:09,060
So you got other communities up here waiting north of what we're talking about, but we're also on.

2119
03:29:11,900 --> 03:29:17,260
Now, the base and our remains with the city of Victor, like all of those different developments,

2120
03:29:18,120 --> 03:29:21,760
got it because the city of Victor made the agreement to give it to Andrew.

2121
03:29:22,720 --> 03:29:23,220
Andrew, Andrew.

2122
03:29:25,640 --> 03:29:27,320
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2123
03:29:27,520 --> 03:29:31,720
I mean, along this is, we're trying to, we're all trying to fix this dates.

2124
03:29:34,120 --> 03:29:36,160
Look at this entire, let's call

2125
03:29:39,460 --> 03:29:40,480
it, it's pretty much exactly.

2126
03:29:53,310 --> 03:29:55,070
But it's all known to your impact.

2127
03:29:55,610 --> 03:29:56,490
It is now.

2128
03:29:57,270 --> 03:29:57,490
Yeah.

2129
03:29:57,870 --> 03:29:58,570
But it is.

2130
03:29:58,570 --> 03:29:59,770
And it is all known to you.

2131
03:30:02,380 --> 03:30:03,080
Right.

2132
03:30:07,010 --> 03:30:13,830
But your point is taken, yes, that is also, is

2133
03:30:15,910 --> 03:30:19,970
a pass and see what's in the blue inside of the blue again.

2134
03:30:19,970 --> 03:30:23,850
And golf does that Timberline settlement for outside,

2135
03:30:26,720 --> 03:30:28,120
or consistent with a city.

2136
03:30:28,540 --> 03:30:34,540
It has dense small lots on water, so we're paved, whereas everything on this night market,

2137
03:30:34,720 --> 03:30:39,700
south or north, between my thousand and ninety-five hours, is rural, it's a map, a bigger

2138
03:30:39,700 --> 03:30:41,340
dirt road, you know, in the market, so

2139
03:30:44,740 --> 03:30:45,080
good.

2140
03:30:45,160 --> 03:30:53,940
The one thing that's different is that it's now, we haven't had any subdivision applications

2141
03:30:53,940 --> 03:31:03,060
in our area, they're all in the self-bacter, they're even, the two-point bars, or, you know,

2142
03:31:03,160 --> 03:31:04,420
to tell you how it's in China.

2143
03:31:07,600 --> 03:31:08,280
There's...

2144
03:31:12,410 --> 03:31:25,610
Well, I think the two squares between 9,000 and 9,500 can be between 500 West to 15,00 West.

2145
03:31:25,610 --> 03:31:36,810
Those two squares definitely talk to be the RM5 and probably T-ton spring should be as well.

2146
03:31:42,610 --> 03:31:44,230
I'll do the RM5.

2147
03:31:46,530 --> 03:31:46,690
Yeah.

2148
03:31:46,770 --> 03:31:47,850
This one and this one.

2149
03:31:48,550 --> 03:31:48,670
Okay.

2150
03:31:48,670 --> 03:31:49,030
Can't wait.

2151
03:31:49,450 --> 03:31:49,750
What a problem.

2152
03:31:49,950 --> 03:31:52,050
We're saying it's all 35.

2153
03:31:52,350 --> 03:31:52,590
Okay.

2154
03:31:53,490 --> 03:31:55,900
It should go to five.

2155
03:31:57,030 --> 03:31:57,910
I would agree with that.

2156
03:31:58,130 --> 03:31:59,750
I think that that's part of something.

2157
03:32:02,760 --> 03:32:10,380
And I think 1500 is free doubt, but I think 1500 is the appropriate dividing line because West

2158
03:32:10,380 --> 03:32:17,040
of there you start to see a lot of larger pieces and they weren't in the A-O-Colding

2159
03:32:17,040 --> 03:32:17,400
O-I.

2160
03:32:18,180 --> 03:32:24,920
Do you want to keep the 35 on the West of that or is there a different zoning that what

2161
03:32:24,920 --> 03:32:25,860
do you think is more appropriate?

2162
03:32:26,020 --> 03:32:27,640
Yeah, we could keep 35 there.

2163
03:32:38,470 --> 03:32:39,030
Okay.

2164
03:32:39,030 --> 03:32:40,110
I mean

2165
03:32:46,260 --> 03:32:50,560
35 because it's going to have a lot more of these allergic patients

2166
03:32:52,800 --> 03:32:53,960
in this.

2167
03:32:57,670 --> 03:32:57,810
Yep.

2168
03:32:59,850 --> 03:33:00,730
I just want to try it out.

2169
03:33:00,770 --> 03:33:01,950
I want to put it in the right spot.

2170
03:33:02,450 --> 03:33:03,590
I'm just going to put it in right here.

2171
03:33:04,530 --> 03:33:04,850
Okay.

2172
03:33:05,390 --> 03:33:11,470
And then I do know these two have pending subdivision applications.

2173
03:33:11,630 --> 03:33:13,470
I can tell you where they're at in the process.

2174
03:33:13,670 --> 03:33:16,710
But I'm pretty sure they are at least a preliminary plaque.

2175
03:33:17,530 --> 03:33:22,870
but I don't think they're the ones on the northern half have, but those two are more of,

2176
03:33:22,950 --> 03:33:28,790
you know, so I don't know if that makes any different of just of a distinction, you know, with some of these are actually different ones.

2177
03:33:28,950 --> 03:33:30,750
Should we bring it that far? Is that what you're saying?

2178
03:33:31,030 --> 03:33:33,210
I mean, even all of it because these are all subdivided.

2179
03:33:33,210 --> 03:33:34,610
It was anything style.

2180
03:33:34,610 --> 03:33:35,550
Take it all the way over.

2181
03:33:35,550 --> 03:33:38,910
Yeah, that all this would be five.

2182
03:33:39,730 --> 03:33:43,690
And then since these are parts of larger parcels, keep that at thirty-five.

2183
03:33:43,810 --> 03:33:44,470
I believe that long.

2184
03:33:44,870 --> 03:33:44,950
Yeah.

2185
03:33:44,950 --> 03:33:45,870
That's what I do.

2186
03:33:46,430 --> 03:33:46,690
Okay.

2187
03:33:46,690 --> 03:33:48,630
I'm okay with that.

2188
03:33:49,770 --> 03:33:50,310
No, no, no.

2189
03:33:50,650 --> 03:33:51,490
I'm just staying out.

2190
03:33:53,150 --> 03:33:54,130
Don't be out of it.

2191
03:33:54,370 --> 03:33:55,050
I'm staying out.

2192
03:33:55,230 --> 03:33:58,370
So basically, everything you're talking to is probably this way.

2193
03:33:58,890 --> 03:33:59,850
All the way over to here.

2194
03:33:59,930 --> 03:34:01,150
All of this at least.

2195
03:34:01,170 --> 03:34:02,310
Just to the current line.

2196
03:34:02,330 --> 03:34:03,030
These are all.

2197
03:34:03,170 --> 03:34:04,190
I mean, it was over here.

2198
03:34:04,410 --> 03:34:05,410
I'm okay with that.

2199
03:34:05,630 --> 03:34:06,710
And we haven't talked about.

2200
03:34:08,960 --> 03:34:10,000
We since these are developed.

2201
03:34:10,320 --> 03:34:14,260
These have, but at least, pennies, after those are ends for these two.

2202
03:34:14,500 --> 03:34:14,860
And these are.

2203
03:34:17,740 --> 03:34:18,580
All of these are.

2204
03:34:25,430 --> 03:34:28,850
Right, correct. Yeah,

2205
03:34:35,470 --> 03:34:39,220
yeah, that was brought up was

2206
03:35:18,940 --> 03:35:20,240
in there's a lot of blood

2207
03:35:25,390 --> 03:35:30,870
Detective, you talking about the triangle north of 9500?

2208
03:35:31,350 --> 03:35:35,830
No, Alokandus in this, it's a larger piece that's kind of basically

2209
03:35:35,830 --> 03:35:39,290
south of Mountside Village all the way over to this at the time.

2210
03:35:39,610 --> 03:35:41,090
This triangle right here.

2211
03:35:41,770 --> 03:35:45,150
And yeah, all the way over to Jansfries, you know, I would talk about that all kind of

2212
03:35:45,150 --> 03:35:55,750
is the same consideration of why the county or the city proposed the same type of slopes as you

2213
03:35:55,750 --> 03:36:01,510
would go alongside because you're going deeper into a valley but there's also the wildlife

2214
03:36:01,510 --> 03:36:08,950
overlay and flood plains which is why the city kind of kept that hillside or the footjills

2215
03:36:08,950 --> 03:36:11,170
zoning for all of this.

2216
03:36:30,270 --> 03:36:33,010
That was some of the other public comment was about the pieces over in that

2217
03:36:33,010 --> 03:36:40,250
the one that I saw the one that was the situation with the sewer water.

2218
03:36:42,430 --> 03:36:43,790
There's no sewer water.

2219
03:36:47,600 --> 03:36:49,440
Is there a sewer or a reyocost of cigarette water?

2220
03:36:51,660 --> 03:36:52,080
No.

2221
03:36:53,900 --> 03:36:54,260
There's no sewer.

2222
03:36:54,260 --> 03:36:55,040
No, there's no.

2223
03:36:55,040 --> 03:36:56,680
That there's sewer near fire.

2224
03:36:57,560 --> 03:37:02,360
There's some of those comments we're regarding.

2225
03:37:04,660 --> 03:37:08,300
It somehow helped city get access to water.

2226
03:37:08,300 --> 03:37:11,240
Thank you over this yeah, I

2227
03:37:14,380 --> 03:37:17,960
mean it's just water line has come from gangry.

2228
03:37:27,680 --> 03:37:28,700
They over here

2229
03:37:33,470 --> 03:37:35,630
I'd suggest the question. Let me just ask

2230
03:37:43,790 --> 03:37:50,030
the city has provided service, but now the city has decided they don't want to

2231
03:38:59,380 --> 03:39:06,880
It's just interesting like all the areas the city thinks it's going to grow is taking that an area where there are already

2232
03:39:16,550 --> 03:39:26,470
I think the big chunk of it is that it's mostly floodplain, so it's very unlikely that any of these lots are going to develop further than how they are already are.

2233
03:39:26,750 --> 03:39:32,610
So there's not really any benefit to have them annexed. They can stay on septic and stay where they're at.

2234
03:39:32,610 --> 03:39:40,350
And if not inside or not, a proof of 20 years ago, I don't know that you would be seeing, yeah,

2235
03:40:03,200 --> 03:40:05,580
by 24 and set of 24 or 23,

2236
03:40:28,160 --> 03:40:30,380
we're going to have another public hearing on all of

2237
03:40:33,860 --> 03:40:33,940
this.

2238
03:40:33,940 --> 03:40:39,100
One thing we could go into that hearing with the changes that we could talk about,

2239
03:40:41,410 --> 03:40:47,550
and the changes that we just talked about, for the sounding to South West, what's going to the 5th degree.

2240
03:40:55,100 --> 03:40:57,520
Since it seems like we're almost done,

2241
03:41:02,380 --> 03:41:05,660
but is this key here that needs to be done?

2242
03:41:15,620 --> 03:41:20,280
Yeah, what we were talking about is maybe bringing this straight on.

2243
03:41:22,140 --> 03:41:26,160
We have already had meetings with a number of these property owners.

2244
03:41:26,480 --> 03:41:28,640
It's north of 7,000 of our potential annexation.

2245
03:41:30,400 --> 03:41:31,380
Is he side?

2246
03:41:34,980 --> 03:41:35,900
Well,

2247
03:41:44,680 --> 03:41:46,060
I know we've talked with

2248
03:41:54,120 --> 03:42:04,240
you what we're doing as T&C's recommendations to count on you.

2249
03:42:04,240 --> 03:42:09,580
You were talking about straight down the highway over the last year.

2250
03:42:09,580 --> 03:42:14,280
I was thinking, yeah, basically, at a sign line of 7000, right?

2251
03:42:14,680 --> 03:42:15,820
Yeah, that's what she's proposing.

2252
03:42:16,540 --> 03:42:19,280
That doesn't, that seems logical to me.

2253
03:42:32,560 --> 03:42:35,980
Plenty of room to grow, wouldn't it?

2254
03:42:36,160 --> 03:42:37,620
That's another anecdotal comment.

2255
03:42:37,900 --> 03:42:40,180
If you fly over to Tom Springs and look down,

2256
03:42:40,280 --> 03:42:42,020
it looks like there's about 20 houses there.

2257
03:42:42,340 --> 03:42:44,540
It's totally about a third of the way it killed down.

2258
03:42:45,900 --> 03:42:50,020
There's, we have more than plenty of developed infrastructure,

2259
03:42:50,020 --> 03:42:57,540
page, clad in subdivision lots that are not built on. So I still, I don't even

2260
03:42:57,540 --> 03:43:03,640
sort of agree with your word intent. It's the code, but it's not like we're out here.

2261
03:43:03,780 --> 03:43:08,460
Looking try to figure out it, put in a bunch of more subdivisions on the peripheral of the city,

2262
03:43:09,300 --> 03:43:14,360
but I agree, I don't see any reason why I couldn't come across at 6,000.

2263
03:43:22,070 --> 03:43:28,090
What zoning district would you guys want to see there instead of where I was supposed to cut the square off here

2264
03:43:33,110 --> 03:43:33,630
Five

2265
03:43:33,630 --> 03:43:35,610
This mostly Jason

2266
03:43:35,610 --> 03:43:43,870
I don't think I have all the zoning that come with that

2267
03:43:52,930 --> 03:43:56,350
More zoning districts than what I have on the key here is that correct

2268
03:43:56,350 --> 03:44:01,130
That's right, though. We just included what's in the area come

2269
03:44:10,090 --> 03:44:13,070
down the highway and then kind of over at 7,000.

2270
03:44:23,990 --> 03:44:30,030
And I'm pulling up the county's GIS map so get the whole, the full list of all the zoning districts.

2271
03:44:36,450 --> 03:44:38,870
Yeah, it's all very undeveloped right now.

2272
03:44:38,890 --> 03:44:39,430
Yeah, correct.

2273
03:44:42,030 --> 03:44:42,290
Yeah, correct.

2274
03:44:42,650 --> 03:44:44,490
Okay, so we have here.

2275
03:44:44,710 --> 03:44:47,750
There's a nice Sage Land and Conward.

2276
03:44:47,750 --> 03:44:50,750
Of course, some of that,

2277
03:44:52,800 --> 03:44:58,680
I think, you have a great opportunity to create a bandage of 7,000 and more.

2278
03:45:22,030 --> 03:45:34,190
So there's all of your zoning districts, so there's IR for your industrial research. There's the two ALI ones, the 2.5 is one that we've heard talked about today. The RN5, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E, RR20E,

2279
03:45:34,190 --> 03:45:42,610
foot hills, 10, foot hills, 20, L, A, 35, which is for lowlands, and that's what Jason

2280
03:45:42,610 --> 03:45:50,630
here. And R, A, 35, for rural agriculture. So those are your options. If there's

2281
03:45:50,630 --> 03:45:59,770
something different that you want to do, does it be that chunk on the west side of the

2282
03:45:59,770 --> 03:46:03,670
And what color should I make that on the map?

2283
03:46:13,260 --> 03:46:15,600
So there's a rural agriculture 35.

2284
03:46:16,900 --> 03:46:20,160
I don't know if this would qualify for the lowlands 35,

2285
03:46:20,880 --> 03:46:22,540
so that would be adjacent to this one.

2286
03:46:23,180 --> 03:46:25,760
So yeah, so there's R, R,

2287
03:46:27,980 --> 03:46:28,800
A, 35.

2288
03:46:32,500 --> 03:46:34,400
General consensus on that.

2289
03:46:35,060 --> 03:46:36,160
At least make the map that way.

2290
03:46:36,240 --> 03:46:37,320
We'll see what public comment is.

2291
03:46:38,020 --> 03:46:39,220
And let's change it again soon.

2292
03:46:39,220 --> 03:46:42,620
At least have something to present.

2293
03:46:42,880 --> 03:46:49,820
We would fully, if I would say, again, if you look at all of the yellow that surrounds

2294
03:46:49,820 --> 03:46:58,100
that, if I were a land or you might argue, you know, that's kind of a peninsula of 35 into

2295
03:46:58,100 --> 03:47:00,080
this whole surrounded by five.

2296
03:47:00,340 --> 03:47:01,860
So I'm going to go in the opposite way.

2297
03:47:04,370 --> 03:47:11,230
I think that RR, the Royal Residential, could be a contender, because it's the one immediately

2298
03:47:11,230 --> 03:47:16,630
Jason on the list in regards to density and kind of hierarchy, I'm assuming this is put

2299
03:47:16,630 --> 03:47:23,090
in together in hierarchy, that you have a rural neighborhood 5 and a rural residential 20,

2300
03:47:23,630 --> 03:47:30,430
and those are kind of, those kind of, like a live of 20, I mean, yeah, for the end of like,

2301
03:47:30,430 --> 03:47:31,670
Intensive residential.

2302
03:47:33,090 --> 03:47:33,230
Okay.

2303
03:47:35,050 --> 03:47:35,310
Four.

2304
03:47:44,100 --> 03:47:44,860
Just think already.

2305
03:47:47,320 --> 03:47:49,240
Five leaders on all three sides.

2306
03:47:49,420 --> 03:47:50,020
I don't understand.

2307
03:47:50,500 --> 03:47:50,920
No, I do.

2308
03:47:51,200 --> 03:47:52,600
I think twenty weeks since.

2309
03:47:52,680 --> 03:47:54,200
I think thirty five would be better.

2310
03:47:54,520 --> 03:47:56,600
I think that other side of the highway.

2311
03:47:58,580 --> 03:48:00,140
Because there's been proposals.

2312
03:48:01,560 --> 03:48:03,500
Yeah, I mean, I also really, I don't think we can do that.

2313
03:48:03,800 --> 03:48:03,920
Yeah.

2314
03:48:03,920 --> 03:48:08,460
The ALI, this is another call that I talked to some of the property owners on the South Island,

2315
03:48:08,580 --> 03:48:11,740
is that the ALI doesn't preclude you from annexing.

2316
03:48:12,100 --> 03:48:15,020
It's just this is how a planning mechanism that we have.

2317
03:48:15,220 --> 03:48:20,940
But so anyone, if they're adjacent to the city and are able to annex, they can submit an annexation

2318
03:48:20,940 --> 03:48:25,340
application and be considered the ALI.

2319
03:48:25,880 --> 03:48:31,000
I was just to say again, that the ALI is just the planning mechanism we're using to put on these

2320
03:48:31,000 --> 03:48:33,780
and regulate permits in those types of things.

2321
03:48:48,520 --> 03:48:50,140
So, yeah, you want 6,000?

2322
03:48:50,940 --> 03:48:52,160
Well, what's kind of the line?

2323
03:48:53,060 --> 03:48:55,940
This, this, this, this,

2324
03:48:56,120 --> 03:48:56,420
all

2325
03:49:09,250 --> 03:49:10,250
the injection to it.

2326
03:49:10,310 --> 03:49:13,550
Because I think it would probably scare the pants off council

2327
03:49:13,550 --> 03:49:15,810
if they'd accidentally application actually got submitted.

2328
03:49:18,550 --> 03:49:19,330
I don't know why.

2329
03:49:20,130 --> 03:49:21,410
Like, this is, you guys know better,

2330
03:49:28,330 --> 03:49:28,330
right?

2331
03:49:28,510 --> 03:49:29,690
Yeah, it was mainly for me.

2332
03:49:30,190 --> 03:49:30,450
Yeah.

2333
03:49:31,610 --> 03:49:34,730
For some of those ones are around the south end of the reserve.

2334
03:49:35,410 --> 03:49:43,130
As we talked about, like maybe it's just the parcels just north of 6,000 and we kind of jogged around those parcels

2335
03:49:43,130 --> 03:49:46,250
but then the other aspect was let's try to square it out.

2336
03:49:46,550 --> 03:49:50,010
So again there was a different discussion and this is just where I landed, so whether it's definitely

2337
03:49:50,490 --> 03:49:54,730
we're up to further discussion on any changes that you think are more appropriate.

2338
03:50:08,000 --> 03:50:12,200
He take us to a break and come back and I just get it.

2339
03:50:12,200 --> 03:50:13,400
I'm going to look at the area all the way.

2340
03:50:13,400 --> 03:50:14,260
Yep.

2341
03:50:15,960 --> 03:50:16,940
Okay, I'm going to head out.

2342
03:50:17,100 --> 03:50:17,360
Thank you.

2343
03:50:17,620 --> 03:50:18,260
Thank you.

2344
03:50:18,700 --> 03:50:19,060
I'm going to head out.

2345
03:50:25,060 --> 03:50:25,400
Thank you.

2346
03:50:25,880 --> 03:50:26,720
Thank you.

2347
03:50:40,060 --> 03:50:41,020
I love that you're real.

2348
04:05:26,100 --> 04:05:39,200
Rolls and things like that, so in that side we just go in right along 2,000 up to C-drone and then over, but it can't cut parcels in half.

2349
04:05:39,540 --> 04:05:46,340
So I think to do anything at all outside the city, it kind of defaults to kind of where it's being proposed.

2350
04:05:50,120 --> 04:05:53,500
Yeah, there's two subroads. Yeah, there's two, there's

2351
04:05:58,550 --> 04:06:00,010
the main road that goes through.

2352
04:06:00,570 --> 04:06:05,670
Workside, and then I kind of think that is that cutthroat that goes up and has the cold sack

2353
04:06:05,670 --> 04:06:11,810
Whatever that last one is on this side. There's a cold assack here, but it's it ultimately stops

2354
04:06:11,810 --> 04:06:18,330
It's right at the property line. So there's two stops there that have the potential to connect in to whatever gets developed here

2355
04:06:18,910 --> 04:06:20,390
So there's

2356
04:06:20,390 --> 04:06:21,730
At least future

2357
04:06:22,290 --> 04:06:23,650
potential of connectivity

2358
04:06:25,210 --> 04:06:28,050
The one key in corner two that I don't know

2359
04:06:28,050 --> 04:06:33,610
Yeah, I don't know how a logical that that one is, but

2360
04:06:59,280 --> 04:07:04,960
If all we said is that it doesn't preclude those properties from annexing, if they are eligible.

2361
04:07:20,920 --> 04:07:23,820
Yeah, consensus to pull it in on the west side.

2362
04:07:26,120 --> 04:07:27,620
I think it's

2363
04:07:28,900 --> 04:07:34,020
It's easier for us to say that, like the suburbs, you know, maybe that's

2364
04:07:34,020 --> 04:07:41,200
and indication that the city thinks that's a good place, you know, for city development

2365
04:07:42,780 --> 04:07:44,540
or did.

2366
04:07:47,420 --> 04:07:51,700
Or not or not or not or not or not or not.

2367
04:07:52,260 --> 04:08:00,240
So, and that sort of depends again on, like, where it is easier to connect.

2368
04:08:00,240 --> 04:08:02,400
I think that's the point.

2369
04:08:04,140 --> 04:08:05,740
The other conversation.

2370
04:08:07,800 --> 04:08:12,650
Here's a new, I do quite a lot of intel over there, right?

2371
04:08:13,110 --> 04:08:15,210
Within the city, there's

2372
04:08:17,960 --> 04:08:20,900
a whole lot of things.

2373
04:08:32,240 --> 04:08:33,000
Is this cheaper?

2374
04:08:39,900 --> 04:08:41,160
Yes, it's a safe light.

2375
04:08:47,010 --> 04:08:47,110
It's here.

2376
04:08:47,210 --> 04:08:48,150
This is so far.

2377
04:08:48,370 --> 04:08:51,490
I've got notes from the north side.

2378
04:08:51,970 --> 04:08:55,350
We'll take it down to 7,000.

2379
04:08:55,410 --> 04:08:58,030
So 7,000 would be the farthest north piece.

2380
04:08:58,030 --> 04:09:07,090
the ALI, everything being removed from the ALI would be at least this change that we're talking

2381
04:09:07,090 --> 04:09:17,350
about, would be the RR20, the Royal Residential 20, reserve is still proposed as RN5 and then those

2382
04:09:17,350 --> 04:09:25,890
developed pieces that are farther east, that are also impacted by portions of the

2383
04:09:25,890 --> 04:09:33,550
NFC resource overlay. We had stop proposed as the health side for Hills 20. There

2384
04:09:33,550 --> 04:09:37,930
are more flat in that area. There's a few kind of pockets where you're going to have

2385
04:09:37,930 --> 04:09:45,930
some elevation if you guys wanted to see that to go similar to the RR20 or keep that

2386
04:09:45,930 --> 04:09:50,770
of the city has proposed to you guys with the, what else 20?

2387
04:10:03,800 --> 04:10:08,720
So all of the besides the reserve, all of that should be our 20.

2388
04:10:12,960 --> 04:10:15,920
So I'm just, since we're making amendments to the Northern boundary,

2389
04:10:16,060 --> 04:10:18,560
I'm kind of talking about all of the zoning outside.

2390
04:10:19,180 --> 04:10:22,520
Yeah, from our old boundaries to any boundaries here.

2391
04:10:22,980 --> 04:10:25,720
That is reserved for those pieces of the golf course.

2392
04:10:25,940 --> 04:10:26,840
We're going to sell this here.

2393
04:10:27,340 --> 04:10:34,500
Yeah, so 20 here do any cheap proposed changes to this or keep that great now. We just brought your for Hills 20. Yeah, through that

2394
04:10:42,910 --> 04:10:45,550
Yeah, to bring it to this boundary here

2395
04:10:48,410 --> 04:10:50,270
Okay, so keep the

2396
04:10:50,270 --> 04:10:57,310
Hills 20 and just the piece that we just talked about changing perfect. Okay, I just want to make sure I'm representing this appropriately

2397
04:10:57,310 --> 04:11:04,150
And then everything that we talked about, for zone change, to the south east, including

2398
04:11:04,150 --> 04:11:07,570
two time springs, all of that as RN5,

2399
04:11:09,950 --> 04:11:12,550
any other pieces from either changing boundaries,

2400
04:11:12,970 --> 04:11:16,630
or changing for post zoning districts that we want to talk about.

2401
04:11:19,360 --> 04:11:21,940
Yeah, is there consensus on the west boundary?

2402
04:11:22,100 --> 04:11:26,200
Did we want to bring in the ALI closer to the city?

2403
04:11:26,200 --> 04:11:26,900
They

2404
04:11:35,860 --> 04:11:38,980
are adjacent, you know, answers, get a question.

2405
04:11:52,650 --> 04:11:54,050
It just comes.

2406
04:11:54,870 --> 04:11:58,830
And like the city is proposing our ALI-20 versus accounting,

2407
04:11:59,510 --> 04:12:02,730
either 35 or 20 from what's around it,

2408
04:12:03,730 --> 04:12:05,810
wouldn't be substantially different either.

2409
04:12:19,420 --> 04:12:21,200
Do we want to then,

2410
04:12:23,540 --> 04:12:25,400
the subdivision immediately adjacent

2411
04:12:25,400 --> 04:12:27,020
to the north of the settlement,

2412
04:12:27,980 --> 04:12:29,840
would you want that to stay in the ALI

2413
04:12:29,840 --> 04:12:31,700
or also be remit from me.

2414
04:12:31,720 --> 04:12:32,640
A lot's up to you.

2415
04:12:32,900 --> 04:12:35,580
I've got to try to get you guys to think of all

2416
04:12:38,870 --> 04:12:39,610
connections.

2417
04:12:41,150 --> 04:12:43,590
One right door to this, that's how much the bubble's little.

2418
04:12:43,870 --> 04:12:44,250
That's down.

2419
04:12:45,690 --> 04:12:45,970
Yeah.

2420
04:12:46,210 --> 04:12:49,370
I don't know if you're close and we're the borderline zone.

2421
04:12:50,670 --> 04:12:53,430
If somebody came and said, I want to connect.

2422
04:12:54,250 --> 04:12:54,690
This one.

2423
04:12:54,770 --> 04:12:58,030
Well, it's just, in general, if this was going to be taken out,

2424
04:12:58,230 --> 04:13:02,050
we want to continue to keep that in or out.

2425
04:13:02,050 --> 04:13:09,130
We've got a new application on this, it's not complete, but it's in because I don't know.

2426
04:13:09,930 --> 04:13:15,770
There's wouldn't be a great connection opportunity, because settlement doesn't have any stops out,

2427
04:13:15,790 --> 04:13:21,330
and I know that there's a stop for the, it's called Twin Flies.

2428
04:13:21,910 --> 04:13:24,490
They go to just that corner property line.

2429
04:13:30,490 --> 04:13:37,470
You can see there are two, it's not even, it's not even built out.

2430
04:13:46,370 --> 04:13:51,530
It might be because it's already a developed subdivision and did not have to worry about

2431
04:13:51,530 --> 04:13:58,400
county spot zoning, you could keep it in the NY and give it to 2.5 because then you don't have

2432
04:13:58,400 --> 04:14:03,340
to worry about changing entitlements on that.

2433
04:14:03,340 --> 04:14:06,920
So that can stay, so just this subdivision here.

2434
04:14:07,180 --> 04:14:11,280
So we could keep that in and give it 2.5 to

2435
04:14:13,360 --> 04:14:14,120
this subdivision,

2436
04:14:14,260 --> 04:14:15,200
just north of the settlement.

2437
04:14:15,800 --> 04:14:19,780
We'd keep it with 2.5, and then this can come out.

2438
04:14:20,140 --> 04:14:23,800
And we can either do the, because this is 35, and this is 35,

2439
04:14:24,160 --> 04:14:29,220
we could do 35 here, and then why they're not going to want to do any of those of it.

2440
04:14:29,440 --> 04:14:29,860
Oh, as well.

2441
04:14:34,220 --> 04:14:36,680
Yeah, this one's an active, that's a little piece of yours,

2442
04:14:50,800 --> 04:14:56,240
It's funny you say you're filling in gravel pits, there's a gravel pit near where I am.

2443
04:14:56,300 --> 04:14:56,840
I'm probably not.

2444
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:10,940
Twenty years that I have 20 of the 24 years I have lived there, they've been telling it. The last year they excavated it, they've got a crusher in there and they're making a lot of money.

2445
04:15:20,860 --> 04:15:31,720
So if we squared out further to that other area where the gravel pit is at and the surrounding agriculture and put that back as county.

2446
04:15:32,280 --> 04:15:37,060
I would also 35 but I could double check what side of these are currently.

2447
04:15:37,400 --> 04:15:39,520
You can see if that would have any impact.

2448
04:15:43,440 --> 04:15:47,760
It might all be right around 40 right now but I can verify that.

2449
04:15:48,020 --> 04:15:51,320
But then just north of that, there's the strip that's on me.

2450
04:15:51,920 --> 04:15:53,860
We'd be the west side of 1000.

2451
04:15:56,920 --> 04:16:02,000
that there's 1-E and 10-acre lots.

2452
04:16:04,960 --> 04:16:07,500
If we wanted to take that out of the

2453
04:16:07,500 --> 04:16:16,960
ALI as well and just follow 1,000 north up to 7,000. What do you think would be

2454
04:16:16,960 --> 04:16:20,720
the appropriate county zoning for that or to keep that in the ALI?

2455
04:16:21,500 --> 04:16:23,280
So this is into the city.

2456
04:16:24,360 --> 04:16:27,820
It's just this little border right here because this one we've got

2457
04:16:28,420 --> 04:16:30,460
our other blue station up here.

2458
04:16:30,480 --> 04:16:33,560
So we've already talked to this guy about the annexing.

2459
04:16:33,780 --> 04:16:36,500
But these, I think only two of these are developed.

2460
04:16:37,100 --> 04:16:38,920
Actually, that one might be a sign to it.

2461
04:16:38,940 --> 04:16:40,160
But these two are undeveloped.

2462
04:16:40,900 --> 04:16:45,740
If that stays in the ALI and we maybe make it the 20,

2463
04:16:46,500 --> 04:16:48,820
because we've already got at least three of these are 20

2464
04:16:48,820 --> 04:16:53,860
those have already been divided to 10, or do we take this out and make it similar to them?

2465
04:16:59,230 --> 04:16:59,710
So,

2466
04:17:11,200 --> 04:17:19,160
with the liftation on the opposite side, you're friends with these, this, this, this, this, this, anything left rest of one thousand.

2467
04:17:19,760 --> 04:17:22,520
So, the liftation, it would be another liftation.

2468
04:17:22,880 --> 04:17:23,520
So, probably.

2469
04:17:24,340 --> 04:17:24,560
Yeah.

2470
04:17:25,180 --> 04:17:32,780
Okay, so take it out and then when you guys want it, our, our 20, like the other areas we're taking out,

2471
04:17:32,780 --> 04:17:38,870
are five, like the adjacent subdivision, which are, I think, the

2472
04:17:38,870 --> 04:17:39,570
five is in there.

2473
04:17:39,830 --> 04:17:44,350
There are mostly 2.5s over here, but then this row is also, this is already

2474
04:17:44,350 --> 04:17:49,900
the zone for, so if you wanted to keep it five, so keep it 20.

2475
04:17:51,180 --> 04:17:55,300
Maybe make 1,000 the distinction, that it make those five and have 1,000

2476
04:17:55,300 --> 04:17:56,820
be your justification.

2477
04:17:57,580 --> 04:17:59,540
I don't, I think you're there one since, okay.

2478
04:17:59,540 --> 04:18:00,140
I

2479
04:18:07,410 --> 04:18:18,990
think

2480
04:18:34,920 --> 04:18:46,800
we agree that it should say in the AY, but do we want to keep the flat hell's 20?

2481
04:18:49,820 --> 04:18:51,140
Yeah, keep it.

2482
04:18:51,960 --> 04:18:58,500
or no excuse me. Keep it how it's proposed being removed from AOI but if should it stay the foot

2483
04:18:58,500 --> 04:19:05,680
held 20 in this area, kind of between highway and all Jackson and between most of the, yeah,

2484
04:19:05,700 --> 04:19:08,660
I'm going to cross the road between the highway and Teton Springs.

2485
04:19:17,260 --> 04:19:18,180
I've got my marching orders

2486
04:19:18,180 --> 04:19:23,900
on the map and I will make those changes like all of the other items we talked about for my notes

2487
04:19:24,760 --> 04:19:29,160
as far as items that have not been completely resolved that we kind of wanted to see what

2488
04:19:29,160 --> 04:19:34,520
the comparison was or what the new languages before making final decisions is the comparison

2489
04:19:34,520 --> 04:19:43,780
on the use chart, word new wording on clustering or better direction in regards to requiring

2490
04:19:43,780 --> 04:19:51,420
clustering for the zone three. And then I guess I was going to say since we're now removing

2491
04:19:51,420 --> 04:19:58,500
all of the active mining operations I can probably keep the mineral stuff out of the

2492
04:19:59,980 --> 04:20:06,500
So yeah, I think those are the main two pieces that you guys still wanted to review before making final decisions on.

2493
04:20:08,640 --> 04:20:11,200
I think it's just a used turret and what would be other things?

2494
04:20:11,620 --> 04:20:16,340
The better wording on the clustering and all the items based for our zone three.

2495
04:20:18,440 --> 04:20:21,080
So I can put this together,

2496
04:20:26,260 --> 04:20:27,420
but I'm in next week.

2497
04:20:27,420 --> 04:20:31,520
that's my parents, and I don't know how to watch the kids, so I can be in the office.

2498
04:20:33,560 --> 04:20:36,140
I can make all of these edits,

2499
04:20:43,280 --> 04:20:45,740
so if you guys wanted to do either another work session,

2500
04:20:47,180 --> 04:20:51,780
or wreaking to be in the public hearing, we can do either of those in that time frame.

2501
04:20:52,720 --> 04:21:00,320
We can do newspaper mode notice, and on site, you're just kind of all the little posters that we put around town.

2502
04:21:03,770 --> 04:21:08,190
Hopefully, the earliest we could do a public hearing to make sure that we're meeting

2503
04:21:08,190 --> 04:21:14,050
notice deadlines, it means it's a continuation, so it's not like it absolutely has to, but it's

2504
04:21:14,710 --> 04:21:21,090
to still get the news out, we probably wouldn't want to do anything before the ninth.

2505
04:21:24,290 --> 04:21:28,070
Is it a continuation, or is it?

2506
04:21:28,070 --> 04:21:33,370
You continue to it today, so if you continue to it on a day, certain when it's day,

2507
04:21:33,370 --> 04:21:34,090
I

2508
04:21:42,180 --> 04:21:45,800
know I have no problem. We can still get it in the newspaper and we can still update

2509
04:21:45,800 --> 04:21:51,980
signs around town. We can definitely do do those things. The mailings, we did do

2510
04:21:51,980 --> 04:21:57,520
mailings to every property owner in the old ALI library. So whether they're impacted

2511
04:21:57,520 --> 04:22:04,060
by being removed or staying in ALI, everyone has noticed this past go around and it was

2512
04:22:04,060 --> 04:22:11,180
well over a thousand notices. We do have a new, the people that do our utility billing.

2513
04:22:11,180 --> 04:22:18,500
We know that we can do that much cheaper this time around and maybe as a postcard instead of a full letter

2514
04:22:18,500 --> 04:22:23,080
So we could get that out as well

2515
04:22:23,080 --> 04:22:28,240
I'm not just you know how much time we have to turn around and I don't know what time we time they need

2516
04:22:28,240 --> 04:22:33,800
I'm getting up together. Okay. Oh, okay. Then yeah, we can we have to do an ordinance

2517
04:22:38,920 --> 04:22:43,020
Yeah, it's a final ordinance. I did draft one

2518
04:22:43,020 --> 04:22:47,020
I'm happy from another testimony that you get.

2519
04:22:48,160 --> 04:22:52,160
I knew with Jade leaving that I'd probably have to be the one to see this to the finish line.

2520
04:22:52,380 --> 04:22:54,200
So I started preparing some of that stuff.

2521
04:22:55,380 --> 04:22:58,820
It is attached, it should be attached in the agenda.

2522
04:23:00,940 --> 04:23:01,060
Yeah.

2523
04:23:01,760 --> 04:23:12,100
Oh, and then also, since there was amendments to title two to create the joint planning commission for the city of Victor and the county.

2524
04:23:12,100 --> 04:23:14,600
because there was only a chapter for Drakes.

2525
04:23:15,360 --> 04:23:19,100
I'll amend that to be the flip-flop, the two and three

2526
04:23:20,000 --> 04:23:23,900
to represent the request change that you guys made today.

2527
04:23:25,000 --> 04:23:26,620
So that will be updated as well.

2528
04:23:26,980 --> 04:23:28,700
So that there's an ordinance to

2529
04:23:35,430 --> 04:23:39,170
have the red line a table to title two, excuse me.

2530
04:23:47,070 --> 04:23:48,490
No, it doesn't look like I have those printed.

2531
04:23:48,910 --> 04:23:49,930
I did prepare them.

2532
04:23:49,930 --> 04:23:52,110
I believe they're attached to the agenda.

2533
04:23:56,570 --> 04:23:58,590
I'm already starting working with Jade.

2534
04:23:58,630 --> 04:23:59,790
I'm getting the ordinance drafted,

2535
04:23:59,890 --> 04:24:04,290
so you'll have an ordinance ready to go whenever you're ready for it.

2536
04:24:05,670 --> 04:24:06,950
What's your time for it to do this?

2537
04:24:18,070 --> 04:24:23,270
So I don't think so, it's just whether there's a lot of steps involved

2538
04:24:23,270 --> 04:24:26,490
because we have to adopt an boundary after adopt.

2539
04:24:26,750 --> 04:24:34,030
The zoning inside the AOA reactor, that means that we outside the AOA and then we have to adopt it.

2540
04:24:35,340 --> 04:24:51,660
And the question, since there's so much that we talked about today on the North and West if you feel that by changing those AOI boundaries that that needs to be heard by your P&Z first.

2541
04:24:51,660 --> 04:25:04,240
No, because the new code says, no, the new, um, statue is very specific about that.

2542
04:25:04,400 --> 04:25:08,520
It says, even with, uh, changes.

2543
04:25:14,790 --> 04:25:17,110
It has, we have to hold out public comment on that.

2544
04:25:17,590 --> 04:25:19,730
And so, um,

2545
04:25:22,990 --> 04:25:25,090
I think we can continue this.

2546
04:25:27,440 --> 04:25:28,560
Is that the new material?

2547
04:25:29,100 --> 04:25:30,800
That's part of the same hearing.

2548
04:25:33,650 --> 04:25:40,030
Yeah, and we'll notice the public that public comment will be taken, it's not official notification, because it's already been

2549
04:25:40,030 --> 04:25:44,430
didn't even know us, but that we had still to tell them. Yeah, this has been updated.

2550
04:25:45,930 --> 04:25:48,950
Yeah, we can get out of fire soon. There's new information.

2551
04:25:52,280 --> 04:25:55,940
There's a new, you know, there's a new, you know, there's a new information.

2552
04:25:56,560 --> 04:26:03,320
Yeah, I can work with Jade on there for prayer wording. Yeah, I can get the days because we'd like to get this adopted as an ordinance.

2553
04:26:04,060 --> 04:26:13,320
Okay, and I think we only have to swear again because you have old business in your first meeting in January.

2554
04:26:13,540 --> 04:26:17,800
Don't you have to take care of all any old business before you do swearing enough the new members?

2555
04:26:19,400 --> 04:26:20,900
Okay, and we definitely want to get this done.

2556
04:26:21,860 --> 04:26:25,560
I thought we had one extra to take care of it.

2557
04:26:29,740 --> 04:26:35,400
I hate all the amendments made by the end of the month, and we can at least have a

2558
04:26:35,400 --> 04:26:39,620
available website and stuff as new as pending information,

2559
04:26:41,640 --> 04:26:43,400
and then when are your

2560
04:26:43,400 --> 04:26:45,040
regular meetings in December?

2561
04:26:46,780 --> 04:26:47,020
Okay.

2562
04:26:50,410 --> 04:26:52,710
Do we want to put it on the 9th?

2563
04:26:53,730 --> 04:26:54,530
For adoption.

2564
04:26:55,670 --> 04:26:56,970
For the continued hearing.

2565
04:26:57,150 --> 04:26:57,650
Continue hearing.

2566
04:26:57,910 --> 04:26:59,150
And we get it off at the end of that hearing.

2567
04:27:03,880 --> 04:27:04,160
Yeah.

2568
04:27:04,400 --> 04:27:05,480
That we need to know this requirement.

2569
04:27:05,860 --> 04:27:06,140
Okay.

2570
04:27:06,440 --> 04:27:11,120
And I don't know what your requirements are at the county level for ordinance adoption.

2571
04:27:11,340 --> 04:27:13,000
But I work with Jay to see if that works.

2572
04:27:13,220 --> 04:27:14,380
So we'll aim for it.

2573
04:27:14,380 --> 04:27:15,520
I think it's just a sign for that.

2574
04:27:15,520 --> 04:27:17,020
Like it's just a part of our review.

2575
04:27:18,760 --> 04:27:20,620
Oh, you have to like put it in the newspaper a month.

2576
04:27:20,820 --> 04:27:23,200
The ordinance has to be published within a month of adoption.

2577
04:27:23,740 --> 04:27:23,940
Okay.

2578
04:27:23,940 --> 04:27:29,680
I think it was a city where, obviously, like, before a lot of time before that meeting.

2579
04:27:30,140 --> 04:27:32,040
Yeah, not like, oh, shit.

2580
04:27:32,580 --> 04:27:34,100
Yeah, okay,

2581
04:27:37,310 --> 04:27:42,730
December 9th, is there a specific time that you guys do land use?

2582
04:27:42,950 --> 04:27:43,710
Like, I'm really tired.

2583
04:27:43,950 --> 04:27:45,270
This agenda has had something like that.

2584
04:27:45,490 --> 04:27:46,670
Be specific about land.

2585
04:27:46,790 --> 04:27:48,190
We're going to continue this, too.

2586
04:27:48,950 --> 04:27:50,450
And it's a dance and not to help it.

2587
04:27:51,190 --> 04:27:52,830
A lot of people move forward playing.

2588
04:27:54,230 --> 04:27:57,890
It was treated as a land use, like put in with the land.

2589
04:27:57,890 --> 04:28:02,810
You can use the agenda the last time so I'm not sure I would assume that you want to try to keep that safe.

2590
04:28:03,090 --> 04:28:06,250
Let's see what will be done at the beginning.

2591
04:28:06,410 --> 04:28:09,140
Earlier, some of you could play after it.

2592
04:28:09,200 --> 04:28:10,940
So as you're 11 a.m. would be fine.

2593
04:29:09,490 --> 04:29:10,190
I said, more and more.

2594
04:30:28,530 --> 04:30:31,330
We don't

2595
04:30:34,370 --> 04:30:37,870
have to have to have to have to have

2596
04:30:54,660 --> 04:30:56,180
So the

2597
04:31:01,590 --> 04:31:11,470
plan right now is to continue this public hearing, reopen public comment on the next week, and then make a decision at the end.

2598
04:31:11,470 --> 04:31:20,950
We have to change the things that we can do that last year.

2599
04:31:21,550 --> 04:31:22,510
Yeah, that's pretty much.

2600
04:31:27,040 --> 04:31:31,300
I just have to be a new hearing because of the material changes we've made.

2601
04:31:31,800 --> 04:31:32,300
Or can we just take it?

2602
04:31:32,300 --> 04:31:34,860
I think that's the part that I don't know.

2603
04:31:35,180 --> 04:31:37,540
Like I can't make the legal decision.

2604
04:31:40,200 --> 04:31:48,280
We'll have it notice as soon as possible, we'll do whatever we can to make it, so I'd

2605
04:31:48,280 --> 04:31:54,260
have to get it to the paper by the end of this week's day and five or one series on

2606
04:31:54,260 --> 04:31:55,220
12 days.

2607
04:31:59,640 --> 04:32:03,800
Yeah, I mean we can get the mailing out in time, we can do the posting in time and see if

2608
04:32:03,800 --> 04:32:08,240
you have to do it on that as seven days, I still always try to aim for two weeks just because

2609
04:32:09,580 --> 04:32:13,880
I mean, either way, whether it's continued or not, we can still do the notice.

2610
04:32:14,300 --> 04:32:18,240
I think that's the safest way to do it without legal counsel.

2611
04:32:21,820 --> 04:32:22,020
Ever?

2612
04:32:26,430 --> 04:32:27,130
Mm-hmm.

2613
04:32:28,410 --> 04:32:31,330
Is it considered good to do the zoning amendment?

2614
04:32:34,130 --> 04:32:39,530
It's technically land use, but it's separate from your regular land use code because it's the AY.

2615
04:32:40,630 --> 04:32:42,430
It's like a dog do the new red dog.

2616
04:32:42,430 --> 04:32:50,510
Yeah, so that would be under 67 to 50, but a line that if it is, it's what?

2617
04:32:50,850 --> 04:32:51,170
It's what?

2618
04:32:51,170 --> 04:32:52,170
It's between these methods.

2619
04:32:56,260 --> 04:32:59,320
If we have to close, that's in real opening.

2620
04:33:02,130 --> 04:33:06,010
And like I said, I think that's the safest way to do it.

2621
04:33:06,930 --> 04:33:11,630
I don't actually think we do have to do that, but

2622
04:33:14,420 --> 04:33:16,260
we've been some pretty much.

2623
04:33:16,660 --> 04:33:19,940
We don't want to have to redo it later because we didn't do it right this time.

2624
04:33:19,940 --> 04:33:24,840
Yeah, so then the 23rd is your other meeting in December?

2625
04:33:40,730 --> 04:33:43,230
Yes, we're doing two processes.

2626
04:33:44,570 --> 04:33:46,150
Yeah, they're all noticed together.

2627
04:33:47,190 --> 04:33:52,110
We're also a manning county, it's not a matter of

2628
04:33:58,450 --> 04:33:58,450
time.

2629
04:33:58,450 --> 04:33:58,570
It's not a matter of time.

2630
04:33:58,570 --> 04:34:04,530
Yeah, yeah, what's happening, we're in the new way of life boundary, but then outside the new area of boundary.

2631
04:34:05,870 --> 04:34:08,950
And inside the old area of life boundary.

2632
04:34:10,710 --> 04:34:19,050
We did it, we did it, and we did it for drinks already, so we're coming down at this

2633
04:34:22,470 --> 04:34:22,910
scene.

2634
04:34:23,150 --> 04:34:23,150
Good,

2635
04:34:29,610 --> 04:34:32,210
right, right, but there's everybody.

2636
04:34:40,240 --> 04:34:43,680
Does, does what we have today,

2637
04:34:46,290 --> 04:34:49,370
a dress, a county zoning,

2638
04:34:51,920 --> 04:34:53,340
for things that are coming out?

2639
04:34:53,980 --> 04:34:54,340
Yes.

2640
04:34:55,440 --> 04:35:00,860
Yeah, the difference is that we're changing what's coming out is that's kind of the bigger

2641
04:35:00,860 --> 04:35:05,860
big, probably the biggest material change that we discussed today.

2642
04:35:10,220 --> 04:35:11,380
I think

2643
04:35:18,010 --> 04:35:23,470
it most aspects will be at least in the direction of the public comment.

2644
04:35:23,670 --> 04:35:28,790
I don't know if we're going to make ever what happened, but at least taking their thoughts into consideration.

2645
04:35:59,980 --> 04:36:06,100
Yeah, if you really want to make sure you meet the new notice

2646
04:36:27,210 --> 04:36:34,790
Even twice a week, there's the lines in the meeting dates. That's why we move to PNZ the Thursdays

2647
04:36:45,200 --> 04:36:49,490
So, the 23rd and last year you guys wanted it to do a special meeting on the 16th.

2648
04:36:56,260 --> 04:36:57,260
I could do either of those.

2649
04:36:59,120 --> 04:37:00,560
I'll be working with a special meeting.

2650
04:37:08,640 --> 04:37:09,780
Yourself's Wednesday or Wednesday.

2651
04:37:12,120 --> 04:37:15,980
As soon as it's published, you have about 30 days after the vote to get published.

2652
04:37:16,180 --> 04:37:23,140
So if it's the 16th, we could get it to the newspaper by that 19th would be the deadline to have it published.

2653
04:37:23,600 --> 04:37:25,180
They're not doing a paper that week of Christmas.

2654
04:37:25,180 --> 04:37:33,320
I would be January 2nd because the paper on the that would normally be published January 1st

2655
04:37:33,320 --> 04:37:34,680
will be published on the second.

2656
04:37:37,100 --> 04:37:38,240
That's what I heard.

2657
04:37:40,380 --> 04:37:47,280
I just noticed for the January P&Z meeting for the city and I emailed them about all my deadlines

2658
04:37:47,280 --> 04:37:53,480
to make sure I could actually meet the deadline and already got it sent over to them as a precaution.

2659
04:38:09,500 --> 04:38:14,660
It would be a special meeting, but yeah I can, we can try to make that work at the Monday.

2660
04:38:14,660 --> 04:38:15,180
At the Monday.

2661
04:38:15,240 --> 04:38:17,560
At least days on your Monday schedule.

2662
04:38:18,080 --> 04:38:20,980
There's this six, you know, there's 17, the 18,

2663
04:38:27,230 --> 04:38:28,570
or 17th.

2664
04:38:30,810 --> 04:38:32,530
Six, six works for me.

2665
04:38:49,990 --> 04:38:50,930
16th, the December.

2666
04:38:52,970 --> 04:38:54,130
Yeah, it's fine.

2667
04:38:54,130 --> 04:38:54,810
It's fine.

2668
04:38:57,160 --> 04:38:57,900
What's time?

2669
04:39:07,080 --> 04:39:07,600
9 a.m.

2670
04:39:09,740 --> 04:39:10,600
16th 9 a.m.

2671
04:39:10,600 --> 04:39:13,000
get off the publication out for that.

2672
04:39:18,710 --> 04:39:24,420
Conclued our hearing that was continued today.

2673
04:39:30,790 --> 04:39:33,670
Who's a candidate for those who are interested in the city?

2674
04:39:33,870 --> 04:39:36,790
The city is responsible for all the notice costs on AOS.

2675
04:39:36,970 --> 04:39:38,950
Even though there's some changes in California.

2676
04:39:41,310 --> 04:39:42,990
I'll coordinate with Jade on the language.

2677
04:39:43,310 --> 04:39:45,150
I've always had the document itself.

2678
04:39:46,190 --> 04:39:49,390
I've drafted back County staff, and then the city gets it all out.

2679
04:39:49,790 --> 04:39:49,970
Cool.

2680
04:39:50,150 --> 04:39:50,450
Okay.

2681
04:39:50,770 --> 04:39:51,530
You know that.

2682
04:39:53,210 --> 04:39:54,530
I'm

2683
04:40:06,020 --> 04:40:11,320
going to move to close the public hearing,

2684
04:40:14,900 --> 04:40:19,820
the Victor area of impact update that was continued today,

2685
04:40:22,320 --> 04:40:32,680
and we will notice a new hearing with updated information maps and

2686
04:40:32,680 --> 04:40:38,780
for presenting in the victory of the act on

2687
04:40:41,050 --> 04:40:44,190
December 16th and the 90th

2688
04:40:47,390 --> 04:40:49,350
and the second one.

2689
04:40:49,370 --> 04:40:49,910
That emotion.

2690
04:40:50,270 --> 04:40:50,770
That's a motion.

2691
04:40:52,730 --> 04:40:53,550
I'll hold in favor.

2692
04:40:54,670 --> 04:40:55,590
I wanted

2693
04:40:59,690 --> 04:41:02,670
to close the public hearing for

2694
04:41:37,260 --> 04:41:39,000
your referring to the potential emotions.

2695
04:41:39,780 --> 04:41:40,840
I'm referring now.

2696
04:41:40,940 --> 04:41:42,580
I'm actually looking on.

2697
04:41:43,200 --> 04:41:44,040
Oh, okay.

2698
04:41:44,040 --> 04:41:48,500
the agenda, which is a public hearing on the vector, continued hearing on the

2699
04:41:50,000 --> 04:41:59,200
the results of your AOI zone change. So that is actually the AOI zone changes and

2700
04:41:59,200 --> 04:42:04,740
the counties and the changes. So I will move to continue the public hearing on the

2701
04:42:04,740 --> 04:42:09,040
vector AOI zone changes.

2702
04:42:20,020 --> 04:42:21,620
I just like looking at the work

2703
04:42:21,620 --> 04:42:24,420
I think you just said you did too.

2704
04:42:24,620 --> 04:42:25,380
I did say community.

2705
04:42:26,100 --> 04:42:26,400
Okay.

2706
04:42:26,400 --> 04:42:28,400
I was a club close.

2707
04:42:29,120 --> 04:42:35,200
The public hearing on the Victor A.O.I. Zone changes.

2708
04:42:36,780 --> 04:42:37,140
Okay.

2709
04:42:38,740 --> 04:42:50,020
And re-notice new hearing on those amended changes for December 16th at

2710
04:42:52,930 --> 04:42:54,510
the same time.

2711
04:42:54,510 --> 04:42:57,330
There's a

2712
04:43:02,100 --> 04:43:10,060
question, so are those two superimposed hearings or they're one hearing that's been merged from the two?

2713
04:43:10,740 --> 04:43:12,140
That's a good question.

2714
04:43:13,280 --> 04:43:28,100
They probably need to be treated separately from, I mean, with a one notice, but we'll probably have kind of like file number, you know, separate it for the area as being removed from the ALI receiving a new county zoning

2715
04:43:28,900 --> 04:43:35,100
versus the new AOI boundaries inside AOI zone and the AOI LBCs.

2716
04:43:35,920 --> 04:43:37,620
So I think that's kind of that to me.

2717
04:43:37,980 --> 04:43:40,680
It's super important to me.

2718
04:43:40,920 --> 04:43:40,960
Yeah.

2719
04:43:40,960 --> 04:43:42,500
It's like on, oh my god.

2720
04:43:42,700 --> 04:43:43,320
I'm hearing it too.

2721
04:43:44,930 --> 04:43:46,770
For you guys, it might be easier to do one.

2722
04:43:46,930 --> 04:43:48,270
You didn't do it last time.

2723
04:43:48,810 --> 04:43:48,910
Yeah.

2724
04:43:48,910 --> 04:43:51,270
It should be a lot easier to do one because people get confused.

2725
04:43:51,410 --> 04:43:52,810
Yeah, I'll talk about both.

2726
04:43:53,030 --> 04:43:53,150
Yeah.

2727
04:43:53,390 --> 04:43:57,150
And we wanted to be able to address both and not like only talk about it.

2728
04:43:57,150 --> 04:43:58,990
Because that was confusing.

2729
04:43:58,990 --> 04:44:02,790
last time too. I think even for the people making comments it was confusing.

2730
04:44:04,810 --> 04:44:05,570
But can

2731
04:44:09,160 --> 04:44:13,720
we just make it more angry for two items that both need to reach?

2732
04:44:14,020 --> 04:44:18,660
I think so. Because if anything like if someone submitted for a

2733
04:44:18,660 --> 04:44:21,720
reason in a subdivision, they could take it for the process together.

2734
04:44:22,340 --> 04:44:26,160
And while it's two different files, it still can be heard as one hearing.

2735
04:44:37,790 --> 04:44:40,150
It is like just totally called the rationality.

2736
04:44:40,430 --> 04:44:42,610
So here's the thing, we're closing these hearings.

2737
04:44:42,770 --> 04:44:43,910
So let's just vote on that.

2738
04:44:44,090 --> 04:44:46,650
And then we can figure out how to notice the other thing.

2739
04:44:46,870 --> 04:44:47,530
Because we have time.

2740
04:44:49,360 --> 04:44:50,320
And then we can continue in it.

2741
04:44:50,400 --> 04:44:51,580
And then we'll be seeing that in the motion.

2742
04:44:52,520 --> 04:44:53,720
So the public knows that.

2743
04:44:54,080 --> 04:44:54,780
Is the same topic?

2744
04:44:55,720 --> 04:44:56,260
Mm-hmm.

2745
04:44:57,720 --> 04:44:58,660
Did you get the motion?

2746
04:44:59,540 --> 04:44:59,980
Is that really what-

2747
04:45:02,140 --> 04:45:03,020
Is this one?

2748
04:45:03,020 --> 04:45:04,980
Any vote on the first one?

2749
04:45:05,400 --> 04:45:06,480
Are ready.

2750
04:45:07,640 --> 04:45:10,340
Okay, but I mean, I guess we can go backwards if we need to.

2751
04:45:12,620 --> 04:45:15,820
But we have public hearing on the filter area of impact update.

2752
04:45:16,160 --> 04:45:18,520
And we'll notice a new public hearing on the update.

2753
04:45:18,800 --> 04:45:20,420
Could it be your area of impact on the subject?

2754
04:45:24,820 --> 04:45:25,820
We could say close.

2755
04:45:29,400 --> 04:45:30,380
Does that sound fine, do you?

2756
04:45:30,700 --> 04:45:30,920
Yep.

2757
04:45:32,000 --> 04:45:32,160
All right.

2758
04:45:32,460 --> 04:45:34,780
That's one of those public hearing from the Victor Erden.

2759
04:45:34,780 --> 04:45:39,560
I just

2760
04:45:43,400 --> 04:46:01,800
want to make sure that it's clear that it's, there's no changes associated with the Victor A or whether it's something that's changing within the A and Y or outside of the B, and that's clear enough.

2761
04:46:05,700 --> 04:46:12,700
we change the language in the company, document, and vocator board.

2762
04:46:14,060 --> 04:46:15,700
That would be part of it.

2763
04:46:21,270 --> 04:46:22,670
Yeah, that's the first one.

2764
04:46:25,130 --> 04:46:27,030
In the second one, it's like the values of the building.

2765
04:46:28,910 --> 04:46:33,170
You'd say, in the Victorio I, or associated with the Victorio I.

2766
04:46:33,430 --> 04:46:34,230
That's better.

2767
04:46:35,310 --> 04:46:36,210
That'll do it.

2768
04:46:36,310 --> 04:46:36,590
Okay.

2769
04:46:37,010 --> 04:46:37,430
This looks good.

2770
04:46:37,650 --> 04:46:37,890
Yep.

2771
04:46:38,310 --> 04:46:39,530
I accept your amendment.

2772
04:46:40,090 --> 04:46:41,130
So, wait, wait.

2773
04:46:41,390 --> 04:46:41,950
This is the second one.

2774
04:46:41,950 --> 04:46:49,190
But that was just a question, because if it just says, in the Victor A.O.I., that's not covering it.

2775
04:46:49,190 --> 04:46:51,610
Well, I just bore the Victor A and in that much.

2776
04:46:51,810 --> 04:46:56,550
Yeah, it has to be associated with the Victor A and in that some change.

2777
04:47:04,770 --> 04:47:11,870
The Victor A and in that some curve of view is in the zone changes associated with the Victor A and in that.

2778
04:47:12,010 --> 04:47:13,050
Yes, yes.

2779
04:47:13,430 --> 04:47:17,910
Yeah, because some of them are outside of the A and in fact, this is why we're making that change.

2780
04:47:26,600 --> 04:47:28,520
We have to modify the first motion too.

2781
04:47:28,520 --> 04:47:33,440
No, because that's really just the code that I like.

2782
04:47:38,940 --> 04:47:39,700
All right.

2783
04:47:39,700 --> 04:47:43,520
I'm going to make a set to question your questions.

2784
04:47:44,060 --> 04:47:45,300
The amendments, all in paper.

2785
04:47:46,180 --> 04:47:46,580
All right.

2786
04:47:49,040 --> 04:47:49,300
Okay.

2787
04:47:49,400 --> 04:47:50,200
See you in December.

2788
04:47:51,740 --> 04:47:53,580
I will email Jade.

2789
04:47:54,840 --> 04:47:56,180
As soon as I'm done with the updates,

2790
04:47:56,540 --> 04:47:57,340
get those to you guys.

2791
04:47:57,540 --> 04:48:01,900
So you have time to review them and prepare for the meeting.

2792
04:48:03,460 --> 04:48:04,860
And I'll work with Jade.

2793
04:48:04,860 --> 04:48:07,120
I'm getting the notices out as soon as possible.

2794
04:48:11,250 --> 04:48:14,370
For language and for the second couple of hearings,

2795
04:48:15,550 --> 04:48:18,590
it's the boundary, and it may be in there somewhere,

2796
04:48:19,350 --> 04:48:23,070
and it's not quite right on our agenda, but it's the boundary and

2797
04:48:25,550 --> 04:48:28,770
you know, just to be like the first one is boundary and code

2798
04:48:28,770 --> 04:48:31,210
associated with the second one.

2799
04:48:31,250 --> 04:48:34,390
So the second one is zone changes related to,

2800
04:48:36,910 --> 04:48:36,910
like,

2801
04:48:37,230 --> 04:48:37,330
yeah.

2802
04:48:38,450 --> 04:48:38,610
Okay.

2803
04:48:42,290 --> 04:48:42,750
Thank you.

2804
04:48:42,750 --> 04:48:45,130
And also maybe as to

2805
04:48:55,050 --> 04:48:59,770
you, you can notice them simultaneously and have people speak to both.

2806
04:48:59,810 --> 04:49:02,110
Okay, we're into these shifts separate them off.

2807
04:49:02,350 --> 04:49:04,670
Like, I'm feeling like we should separate them off.

2808
04:49:05,390 --> 04:49:07,730
It seems like Jake got legal advice to that.

2809
04:49:08,510 --> 04:49:08,550
Okay.

2810
04:49:08,550 --> 04:49:08,730
Okay.

2811
04:49:10,150 --> 04:49:12,190
The notices can still go together.

2812
04:49:12,250 --> 04:49:13,570
It can just be listed.

2813
04:49:14,050 --> 04:49:17,850
Like, we can, you know, say, title one, title two for,

2814
04:49:18,610 --> 04:49:20,030
within the same notice document.

2815
04:49:20,030 --> 04:49:29,030
Because that's going to be a lot easier doing the mill, the postcard flyers, trying to

2816
04:49:29,030 --> 04:49:33,670
limit it to just the required language and the postcard flyers with a link to the website

2817
04:49:33,670 --> 04:49:35,350
with all the other details.

2818
04:49:37,970 --> 04:49:38,410
Yeah.

2819
04:49:39,930 --> 04:49:40,370
Yeah.

2820
04:49:40,450 --> 04:49:41,170
I'll work with you.

2821
04:49:41,170 --> 04:49:42,350
You always go to that one.

2822
04:49:50,140 --> 04:49:51,200
Thank you very much.

2823
04:49:51,880 --> 04:49:52,260
Thank you.

2824
04:49:52,380 --> 04:49:52,760
Thanks.

2825
04:50:06,450 --> 04:50:14,050
I'm just so excited that after you've covered me for years we've been working on this work, we're just there.

2826
04:50:15,090 --> 04:50:17,270
I'm going to

2827
04:50:33,050 --> 04:50:44,010
close your room and explore after distance to the finish line and get after distance to the finish line and you can have to distance to the finish line.

2828
04:50:44,010 --> 04:50:46,070
It's infinity, you're trying to get a pretty set,

2829
04:50:48,250 --> 04:50:48,270
yeah.

2830
04:50:48,470 --> 04:50:52,190
You're getting infinitely close, but never quite there.

2831
04:51:08,480 --> 04:51:10,080
I wasn't anticipating that.

2832
04:57:41,210 --> 04:57:42,290
That's your session for

2833
04:57:46,740 --> 04:57:48,060
agenda and

2834
04:58:14,070 --> 04:58:14,070
-

2835
04:58:14,070 --> 04:58:15,270
Let it go, reference well.

2836
04:58:16,030 --> 04:58:16,350
I do.

2837
04:58:21,250 --> 04:58:27,870
I'm going to move to go into the executive session per Idaho code 74-2061F legal.

2838
04:58:28,610 --> 04:58:29,490
That can.

2839
04:58:30,250 --> 04:58:30,850
All in favor.

2840
04:58:31,610 --> 04:58:32,170
I-

2841
04:58:32,170 --> 04:58:32,370
What?

2842
04:58:33,250 --> 04:58:34,910
roll call vote, Kim.

2843
04:58:37,770 --> 04:58:37,770
I,

2844
04:58:45,060 --> 04:58:46,780
there you have it, it's official.

2845
04:58:47,900 --> 04:58:52,630
All right, I will get everything turned off and we're

2846
04:59:35,860 --> 04:59:40,000
recording there.

2847
04:59:43,360 --> 04:59:43,960
One,

2848
04:59:48,010 --> 04:59:49,270
is you see yourself?

2849
04:59:49,570 --> 04:59:50,670
Thing one.

2850
04:59:53,210 --> 04:59:54,850
All right, we'll record the other one.

2851
04:59:55,150 --> 04:59:56,330
Thing two.

2852
05:00:00,180 --> 05:00:03,340
Okay, I'm looking to adjourn. Okay.

2853
05:00:04,400 --> 05:00:07,100
All in favor. Bye. Bye.