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All right, let's bring today's meeting to order. It is October 7, 2025, and we will bring

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the meeting of the Teton County Commissioners meeting to order. And if you could join us

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in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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to

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the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, and one God, in the result of the liberty and justice for all.

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All

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right. Can I get a motion to adopt today's agenda, please?

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Mr. Chairman, I would move to adopt today's agenda as presented.

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Second.

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Great. Motion by Commissioner Macker, second by Commissioner Carlman.

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And Mr. Chairman, Acting Chairman, Vice Chair, which is note that the Chairman is absent.

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Yes, thank you.

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And all those in favor of adopting the agenda, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye, aye, thank you.

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Approval minutes.

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Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the minutes for the meeting,

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stated September 8th, September 9th, September 15th, September 16th, and

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September 22nd, 2025.

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Second.

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Motion by Commissioner Macker.

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Second by Commissioner Carmelman, all those in favor, please say aye.

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Do you have a motion to-

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Sorry, the second September 16th was a special meeting, so I need to also move to approve the special meeting minutes on the 16th.

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That's a second meeting.

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I second the motion to approve the special meeting minutes of September 16th as well.

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Great, good catch, thank you, and we'll let the eyes stand there.

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Moving on to the consent agenda.

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moved to place the following matters from staff on the consent agenda to consideration of purchase compact tractor replacement three consideration of purchase of replacement toolcats.

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Five consideration of amended agreement for water services and grant of easement to Raft or J improvement service district seven consideration of employee housing lease at WSK12.

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eight consideration of employee housing lease, a WSK 18, nine consideration of Adams Canyon,

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Bunkhouse, primary lease, ten consideration of WEA grant and contract, and

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11 consideration of administration building HVAC upgrades.

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Second.

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Motion by Commissioner Mackers, second by Commissioner Carmelman.

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All those in favor, please say aye.

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Okay,

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is there a motion to approve those items on the consent agenda?

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I move to approve the consent agenda with the motions as stated in the respective staff reports.

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Second.

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Great, thank you.

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Motion by Commissioner Mackers, second by Commissioner Carman, although it's in favor, please say aye.

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All right.

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The correspondence report, Mr.

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Chair.

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Yes, sir.

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While you're tallying the correspondence report, if that's the order, just a couple items of note.

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We've had some correspondence regarding the replacement of or

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shoring up an eventual replacement of the bridge over Fish Creek in Wilson.

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That's caught the public's attention.

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And I just like to highlight that White Outs resident engineer Bob Hammond has been

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very active and really helpful correspondent in that giving good background information to people.

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And that kind of coordination is just great to see.

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And then we got a terrific bit of correspondence.

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It's not in this report, but arrived yesterday from Mickey Babcock up in Buffalo Valley,

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thanking us for our work on the Turpan Metal Ranch project.

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Great, thanks for pointing those out.

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Commissioner Coleman, I would concur, and I would also add that our chair has done an admirable job of communicating with the public on, especially on the Wilson project as well.

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So 35 items, and noting that, we'll move on to public comment.

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This is a time for the public to comment for any items that are not on the agenda today.

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Anything online?

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Go ahead, let's.

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Okay, great.

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Thank you.

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And we will move on to matters from commission and staff, consideration of the wildfire camera

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system.

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We've been talking about this one for a little while, a little long process, which we did and kind of did some research, so I don't know where you two left with it, but yeah, Stanford, or any questions?

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Thank you. Redmond, thank you for this work. It's exciting to see this move forward. Why three cameras? Why not six or nine or a hundred?

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Okay good so after you've done three you wouldn't hesitate to come back and ask for more if it makes if it improves

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It's a little more high-tech than having a fire warden in a tower.

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Let's hope it works really well.

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Thank you.

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questions? Great I would just yeah thanks it's having passive eyes on the

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forest makes lot of sense and look forward to seeing how this how this system

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evolves over time and look forward to getting our foot in the door and

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appreciate you bringing it to us and keeping it relatively small while we work out

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the case. So, great. Do I have a motion?

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Oh, public comment on this item. Thank you.

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Seeing none, I'm looking for a motion.

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Mr. Chair, I move to approve the agreement with Alert West for an early detection

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wildfire camera system, including a one-time purchase of camera equipment, a $41,232

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dollars, and the year one annual license and support costs of $41,400.

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I have a motion from Commissioner Probe, the second from Commissioner Carman.

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All those in favor, please say aye.

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Motion carries unanimously.

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Moving on to number four, consideration of cooperative partnership with USGS for

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Water Quality Analysis and Summary.

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to be said,

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long-turing to engage in long-turing, this meets several of our criteria

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for long-turing abuse establish, long-term monitoring to establish baseline conditions.

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Long-turing is a early warning for sensitive folks, service and groundwater.

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Staff is worked really hard with USGS to craft this proposal that has been seen in front of us.

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This proposal has come in front of the Water Quality Advisory Board and will see back

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I can comment, it has received a recommendation to proceed with this.

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As you know, our federal partners are currently working, so normally would have had our federal partner present today, but unfortunately it has no.

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So how do you oppose there, having a question?

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Questions for Chris?

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Yes, sir, Mr. Kronner.

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Thank you, Vice Chair Gardner, Chris, it's great to see you this morning.

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Water quality is a great community concern for us, and just thanks to you, thanks to the

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United States Geological Service, our survey, I always call them service, but it's a USGS

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survey for making some forward progress and doing some monitoring.

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If we don't know what the status is and don't have good data on that, it's hard to know

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So where to put our efforts to maintain and improve water quality here.

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So I'm grateful for the teamwork and partnership with this agency of the federal government.

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And I look forward to them being back in business and able to work with us on it.

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So thank you.

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Yeah, Mr. Commissioner, perhaps just a question.

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I haven't read the entire contract and maybe somebody has that can answer this, but I'm sure you have.

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What happens if the water missionary at U.S.G.S. is terminated, do we get our money back?

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Okay. So we pay as it's delivered.

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Okay, great.

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I have a couple.

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Chris, can you walk me through what we should expect or what we could expect at the end

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of this. What kind of asset or what kind of what what we have in hand as far as data

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goes. What exactly are we doing with this?

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Mr. Chair, thanks. I really, this would be a question you're able to make to

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summary, information along the St. Petersburg water quality information,

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this information has been summarized and published in chunks for specific projects that the USGS has here.

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To date, a cumulative review of all this information has not been done to determine what is the water quality in the state.

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I mean, in Tucson County, what's sort of impact might see with those breaches.

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So the goal for this project is to gather all the existing data and apply modern statistical

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techniques to some sort of gains and understanding.

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Right now we have information, but we're needing the next step, if that information into a form

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where we can use it to make decisions and that understanding piece is really what's the goal of this project.

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So a specific product that will come out of this is a scientific investigations report.

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USGS produces lots of these.

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We rely on them heavily for our work here in County across the United States,

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as really the baseline most likely accepted piece of information that we all point to,

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to determine, as best we can, what is the ground truth?

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Great, so thank you for that, very good answer.

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So this is not to collect new data.

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that has been collected over the years together into one format,

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in one place, so that we can use that to understand

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And the last decades worth of data and then to create a baseline, I would assume also

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to create a baseline so that we can move forward with, I guess the question I have is what's

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our strategy for new data collection?

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And then is that strategy wedded to the format that we're going to receive in this scientific

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I would just clarify that this project isn't the one that's working up strategizing for new information.

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This project really is to establish what has been done.

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Many of the characteristics that are listed in this table one,

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might co-vary in that they change at the same rate as other bits of information.

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So what has been happening over the many years of these sites have been collecting data

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is that they've collected maybe things about inorganic metals or nutrients or turbidity.

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So that's great information, but to take it to understanding like what should we measure going forward.

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It's important to know how these variables interact and how they vary together, so that maybe going forward,

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we can focus on the most important variables so we get the most bank for the buck.

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Yeah, that's very helpful, thank you.

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Any other questions for Mr. Peltz?

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Great. Any public comment on this item?

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Thank you, Mr. Pals.

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Seeing none, looking for a motion.

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Mr. Chair, I move to approve the joint funding agreement with the United

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The State's Geological Survey for Water Quality Analysis and Summary for an amount not to exceed $50,000.

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Motion by Commissioner Pro, second by Commissioner Macker. All those in favor, please say aye.

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Aye. Motion carries unanimously.

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Thank you.

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Moving on to number 12, consideration of Owner's Rep Services and Funding for

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Corner's Office Project Work Order 9.0.

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I'm sorry, consideration of designation of county supervisor of roads, number six.

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Good morning, Mr. Vice Chair, commissioners, Heather, overhulser, director of public works.

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I'm very happy to be here in front of you today for your consideration of designating Tony Havill as the county supervisor of roads.

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Pursuant to Wyoming Statute 24-1-104, all Teton County Road shall be under the supervision, management and control of the Board of County Commissioners, which shall be assisted by a Teton County Supervisor of Roads, a pointed pursuant to Wyoming Statute 18-3-705.

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As you will know, Dave Gustafson, our former road and levy manager, retired in September,

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and we hired Mr. Havill.

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Tony has been the road and levy construction coordinator for 11 years.

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And prior to that, has loads of experience doing construction and road projects and you

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name it.

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He is very qualified for this position, and we're very happy to have him here with us.

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So I'm happy to answer any questions about this.

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Questions for Director Overholzer.

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Mr. Gingrich, just to, this got pulled because the chair had some things.

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So I'll try to tell you what chairman Newcombe's issues were.

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So to see you know how this works a little bit, and normally this would have to stay on consent.

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but we wanted to highlight a few things.

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The supervisor of roads is also the person who is designated in the statute.

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It'll say local authority and so you're designated him as also what is known as the local authority.

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So that's the person who sets the maximum speed limits on all our county roads.

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In placement of traffic control devices and signals, so when a stop sign or some type of signage goes up, that will be Mr.

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have all that's making those decisions.

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The one that is coming up, and so with the closure of the bridge over Fish Creek and

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Wilson, the traffic will be diverted through Wilson.

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There will be a either, and by doing this, either the supervisor of roads, Mr.

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travel will be able to just issue an order himself, or we're considering bringing back the resolution directly in front of you.

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We can do it either way.

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But what Mr. Havel is looking at is regulating not only weights, because right now 60,000 is the past, but

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also regulating type of vehicle, meaning during that period of time where the road is closed,

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or the bridges closed, that we would not allow anything of length.

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And Mr. Havel can actually describe that I can, but the difficulty is that some of those corners are really tight going through this and

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having anything of great length going through there.

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So the Chair, Chairman Newcombe, wanted me to highlight that to you.

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That either Mr. Havel, now through this authority, you just granted him that Mr.

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Gushson used to have, that Mr. Havel will have.

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He will do it through a memo, and you're sort of used to seeing these memos.

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They come out every spring on weight limits on certain roads.

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You see Mr. Guffsson used to do those every spring, especially on certain particular roads that the water levels underneath the roads have an impact.

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And so I just wanted you to be aware that it may be either a resolution coming in front of you or Mr.

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the cattle may be issuing it, but regulating the type of units,

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type of vehicles being able to access through, and those are county roads.

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So all those roads through Wilson are county roads.

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And so that would come under the direct authority of Mr.

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Howell, if that helps any.

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Yes, thank you.

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Congratulations, Mr. Howell.

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I would say welcome.

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Sounds like you've been here a while.

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Great.

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Right?

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That's true.

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Mr. Chair.

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Yes, sir.

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Thank you.

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Tony, it's great to see you.

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As you know, you have very big shoes to fill.

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And from the look of you, you've got one of them already in size extra large.

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But Dave was respected and trusted and cherished leader in our county.

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taking care of our roads.

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You've got a great history with us in our community and with our road and

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levy department and I'm really glad you're here to step into those shoes.

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Thank you and guide us.

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There are definitely big shoes to fill.

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I mean Dave was a great asset to this county.

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He has a great boss, as well as a great friend, but I'll try every day to put the shoes on and

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make everybody proud here to talk to him.

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Thank you.

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I do have one, so what happens when a truck, a semi comes over the pass and how do we communicate that they're going to have problems once they get over the pass?

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White ought is working with us extensively, as far as getting the word out, as far as the press release.

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We're going to do a joint press release with both WIDOT and Teton County as well as issue the memo directly through Teton County.

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So as far as press release, I feel it will get out as well as say like Buck Rail and other media outlets.

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There will be a message board sign on each end alerting over sized vehicles of the closure that they will have to go around.

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similar to the trailer traffic that would take effect on November 15th through

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Y-DOT. The message board as well over on the Idaho State Line will state that as

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well that it's closed to anything but passenger vehicles and critical service

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vehicles. That definition of critical service vehicles will be defined in the

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the memo that I will issue, dragging my feet on issue in that memo, there is a pre-construction

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meeting with White Ought tomorrow, so we'll have a schedule, a timeline, and really hone

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in on the particulars of this closure. The closures anticipated to last between eight

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to 12 days. There is talk that potentially shorten it up between six to eight days, so every

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day is valuable. On that contract, they do have a penalty for beyond 12 days. That's a reputable contractor

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completing the work, so I truly feel the maximum closure would be 12 days.

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Remind me, is there a sign? Is there anything at like Swan Valley that we can, I'm just worried people are going to get pretty far along their path before they realize that they can't

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With that, you know, I mean, we're working with YDOT, potentially in tomorrow's meeting, see if there's potential to reach out to IDOT, you know, Idaho Department of Transportation to put up a message boards signed there in Swan Valley. I think that is a great idea.

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I will definitely do the like work to see if I can make that happen.

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Great. Thank you. Any public comment on this item?

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Seeing none, I'm looking for a motion.

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Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the resolution designating Mr. Tony Havill as the county supervisor of roads.

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Second. Great. Motion from Commissioner Macker, second from Commissioner Carlmond. All those in favor?

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Please say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Vote carries unanimously. Thank you. Now moving on to number 12.

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consideration of owner's representative services and funding for

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corner's office project work order 9.0.

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Thank you, Dr. Blue.

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Vice Chairman Gardner, commissioners, I'm Dr.

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Brent Blue, Teton County corner.

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This request is for an owner's rep and to hire an architectural firm and

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do some basic site evaluation for a dedicated Teton County morgue.

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As you know, the current morgue is the Weed and Pest Department's old two car garage and has been modified and is inadequate in many ways and that is the reason we're asking for this and I'll be glad to entertain any questions questions for Dr. Blue or I see Tom Ferenc is here as well owners wrap who's been on this project so questions.

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Just to give you more information here.

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So here's what we have done in the past about we have entered into a five year agreement with Wembers.

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So normally what we used to do, any time we had a building project, we would do an RFP for an owner's rep.

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And each time it might have been a different company being the OR.

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We decided to do a five year agreement with Wembers, so we have a master agreement.

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And that's actually attached here.

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Then what we do is we do a work order.

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Each time we do a separate construction project.

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So there'll be a work order for the Justice Center.

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There was a work order for the General Services Building.

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So each time Wembers helping us with something,

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we do a separate work order that comes

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under that master agreement.

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So essentially what you're agreeing to today

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is a work order with Wember to work on this project.

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And so that's what's in front of you.

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I will tell you, because you're missing your 18 today, both the clerk and the administrator are both out today.

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See, you get me, the B team.

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I will tell you what they both have told me, and just so you're aware of this.

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If you look under the physical impact section, you all, for whatever reason, and

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And I don't quite understand what happened during your budget review process.

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This did not actually, the clerk had scheduled some time to discuss this.

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For whatever reason, you guys did not actually get to the point of discussing it.

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So you actually never discussed during your budgeting process this year the budgeting

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for this project, whether or not you even wanted to move forward with it, how much

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you wanted to budget for it.

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And so there was a discussion of budgeting 500,000 for it.

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what you did not do that, and so there is money to find just the 95,000.

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What I think the clerk wanted me to emphasize to you is this is potentially an $8.2 million project, I believe is what they were saying.

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What happens with many county projects is once you spend the first dollar, it's hard to stop a project going forward.

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So, you're not only agreeing to doing this first step, you're sort of agreeing on a longer progression.

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There was some discussion as to the general services building sort of went from a small idea to a much bigger idea.

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How do we get there?

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It sort of starts at this type of point.

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And so I just wanted to make sure I clarified to you all where you're at in the process.

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So that if you can, if you're committed to this project, you want to move forward with it.

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This sort of moves you forward.

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If you want some more time to think about it, more importantly, if you wanted to wait till your 18s back and have some more conversation specifically with the clerk as to potential funds in the future to pay for this project.

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The other issue that comes up sometimes is once you do a design and then you don't have the funds for

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the actual construction. The design goes on a shelf. Then by the time you have your construction money and you're ready, the design may be not as applicable anymore.

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So you want to, and this is something you may want to talk with Mr. Farrens about is when this, in this, my understanding, they're trying to do this as a design build, which will save you some money.

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Will the design be still ripe when you find your construction money potentially when you do spet in 2028?

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I'm not sure where you're getting money prior to spet 28, which really means money coming in 2930 unless you had some other source of funding coming from somewhere else.

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So, anyway, I was just sort of repeating what the clerk and the administrator

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chatted with me about and you may want to talk with Mr. Farron some more,

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because I know he's spent some time on this and he could give you some more knowledge on that subject matter.

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Okay, appreciate that.

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Can I address those issues?

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We estimate this building to cost in the $3 to $4 million range.

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We're talking about 3,500 square feet on a pretty simple building.

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We don't really need a great deal of equipment to put into the building.

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We do not have to purchase any land.

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We've identified two spots in Adam's Canyon where this building can go.

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There was some discussion about whether the county would want to put some employee housing on top of the building on a second floor and that sort of thing.

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But as far as what the need for the actual morgue is, we're talking about a $3 to $4 million

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event.

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Although we have talked informally with some of the commissioners and with the administrator

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that some of this could probably come out of general funds as opposed to having to wait

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for a spec tax issue.

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but the need is now. Actually, the need has been there for quite some time.

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And I truly don't know what happened to the $500,000 thing

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that I think I may have been part of my not being here for the meeting,

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but just because I didn't know about it.

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but, uh...

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I think that that, I don't, I've never heard an $8 million number before, ever.

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Great, thank you. Questions for Dr. Blue or Mr. Farons? Mr. Chair. I'd be grateful to hear from Mr. Farons as well, just for his additional insight and background.

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Yeah, thank you, Tom Farons with Wimber. We had done a previous work order to do a feasibility study to identify sites.

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work with Dr. Blue and at the time Sarah man on identifying the site and as part of our study we came to kind of a 1a and 1b situation and then that that time we recommended bringing on the design team to make some more detailed decision making to decide on that site and at that time it was also brought up about the possibility of including employee housing or county housing as part of this project.

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And so Dr. Blue is correct, the just for the coroner's portion of the billion is a little bit smaller.

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But as part of our feasibility study, we looked at if we added employee housing to this.

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And that would drive the costs to the larger amount.

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And about how many units, Tom?

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It would depend on type of unit.

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What we did, we looked at basically as if we took the coroner's office and did a second level.

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So if you did studio apartments, you could add four or five if you just did one or two better and they would all depend on kind of how the design laid out and such.

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Thank you.

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Other questions?

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I have just an observation.

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I was a guest of the corners earlier this year, touring, seeing the old garage to get oriented to all of our county facilities.

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and I agree with the corner blue that upgrading this is way overdue.

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It's a place where families sometimes need to go to identify a decedent,

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and it's kind of a side room in a garage.

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I don't think we need to go as fancy as a funeral home for this,

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but it's just not up to snuff.

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And he advised me that although there now is a drain in the floor when he took over the facility, there wasn't.

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And I'm not sure you had running water at the time even.

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So, you know, we're making progress in the ol' garage, but it's not good enough.

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So, I look forward to getting a new morgue at a reasonable cost.

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I think at this point, we'll open it up for a public comment.

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Seeing

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none, I'm bringing it back to the board for discussion.

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I'm happy to say my piece.

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I need to be a guest to the corner and I look forward to touring the current facility.

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Well, I want to make sure I'm a living guest to the corner and I appreciate the fact

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that Dr. Blue, you know, our member in my introduction three years ago, he brought this up and

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so I appreciate that this is a problem that's, that you've identified for at least the

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three years I've been here. I am torn because on one hand I think that we need to have

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an adequate site for the corner to work and that respects the job that he does for all of

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us at some point.

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And on the other hand, I appreciate Mr. Gingry's reminding us of how these things tend to go,

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And how are we asking this?

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I don't think he asked directly, but I would ask how are we going to fund this?

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It's probably going to be about $4 million.

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And we are fighting, we've not allowed staff to travel out of state for training.

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So we're really cutting what you would call pennies in the budget.

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it, and 4 million is a lot of pennies, so I'm torn, I feel like this is, however, I

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will say that I feel like this is a conversation that is a little out of context at the moment.

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Not for the need, the need is there, the need is obvious, but in context of the budget, it

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It is at an awkward moment and so I am of the mind that we should, at the very least, bring this back when we have our quote-unquote A team.

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I love working in a county where Mr. Gingrich is the B team and at least postponing it for a week so that we can get the A team back in the room to communicate with us there.

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thoughts. And I'm frankly more of the mind that this is something that needs to be considered in the 2027 budget cycle along with other large capital projects.

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I do recognize that we're only being asked for 95,000 a day, but I am concerned that if we take this first step,

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We may find ourselves taking many more after, without really locking down how we're going to fund the project.

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Other thoughts,

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please.

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Sure, Vice Chair, appreciate your context.

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I think I have no issue waiting a week, I think generally I see the need to move the project forward.

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And I'm committed to doing this project.

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I'm just not committed to a timeline yet on what that is.

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So I see the value in having some of this information related to phase one and getting

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done what we can, but I think we appreciate your contextualizing that we have to be realistic

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about the budget overall.

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So I guess what I want to say to the corners, I don't want you to feel like you need to justify

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the need for this project.

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I think that we've heard the justification for the need and that our efforts to find the funding and fit it into the funding are relevant and urgent.

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So, thank you for staying and continuing to bring it up.

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Mr. Probes, thank you.

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I think you both make good points.

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I'm happy to vote today.

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I can support this.

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I'm happy to wait a week and get some more context.

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I think that it's important to note that if we do vote today or next week that I'm voting for $95,000 to answer questions we have.

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And we might decide to fund it out of general revenue, we might decide to fund it out of spet.

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We might decide that given some design issues that it just waits indefinitely.

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But I won't answer to these questions so that we would be prepared in 2028 to go to the voters for a spet.

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So I'm happy to wait a week or I'm happy to vote today.

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I feel like I know enough to move this along, no one that I'm not voting for the final three to eight million, of course.

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Mr. Chair, Vice Chair, I'm curious, I appreciate everybody's points of view on this.

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We're going to get more information in due course whether it's from the A team or from

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I'm not sure what the procedure is if it looks like there are two of us who want to move today and I think it would take a vote of three to move forward.

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So on that basis, I think the respectful thing to do is to push this off a week, and I'm happy to modify the draft motion to do that, if you'd like to hear it.

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Two weeks,

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five, sorry Brent, two weeks.

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Mr.

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Ganger, is this something that we can continue or do we need to change the motion?

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You can just move to continue the item until the next regular meeting on the, I believe, our next regular meeting is the 21st.

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Okay.

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Okay, great.

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Do I have a motion?

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Mr. Chair, I move to continue item number 12, consideration of owner's representative services and funding for the coroner's office project work order 9.0 to our next regular county commissioners meeting on October 21st, 2025.

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So again, I have a motion from Commissioner Carlman, a second from Commissioner Macker, all those in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Motion carries unanimously, thank you all.

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Number 13, moving on, consideration of authorization to begin 45-day comment period to amend the

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Teton County Planning and Building Services Department's schedule of fees.

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Morning, Vice Chair Gardner, commissioners, Chris Newbecker, Planning Director, Teton County

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Planning and Building Services Department has not updated our fees since 2021.

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And so we all know that there's been quite a bit of inflation since that time.

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So we've done an analysis of our fee structure, and we are recommending an increase in those fees.

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However, there's a requirement to do a 45-day comment period.

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And so we're looking for the authorization to start that 45-day comment period.

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And then we would come back to this board with the recommended fees.

437
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I'm happy to answer any questions.

438
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:56,550
Questions for Chris?

439
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:56,690
Yes,

440
00:40:59,970 --> 00:41:13,000
I did pull this, and I guess my concern is that it's just kind of a general concern

441
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:22,120
that it's getting really expensive to do projects in Teachers and County, and I recognize

442
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:28,100
that a lot of that has to do with market forces, cost of labor, cost of goods,

443
00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:32,240
but some of

444
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,540
it has to do with fees as well.

445
00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:37,700
So, I guess my question is how

446
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,740
do you have like a goal as far as your fee collection goes?

447
00:41:46,020 --> 00:42:03,880
What's the frequency with which you look at your fees and what's the trigger point to say hey you know what these fees aren't high enough?

448
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:11,020
Does it have to do? Is it based on staff time? Is it based on other communities fees?

449
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,240
Like, how do you rationalize the fee increases?

450
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:20,120
Commissioner Gardner, it is based both on trying to do some cost recovery, but we're not at full cost recovery.

451
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:27,380
And it is all also looking at just comparative communities in terms of what is considered fair and what they're charging.

452
00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:33,740
I fully realize that it's very expensive to build here and some of that may have to do with fees.

453
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,240
Some of it's the market in terms of cost and materials, cost of labor, but

454
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:47,700
we're not covering our fees fully, which means that the applicant is not fully paying the cost of the services.

455
00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:56,240
We could raise the fees if we're trying, if the goal is to have full cost recovery, we could do an analysis of that, but

456
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:01,280
But we recognize that, you know, based upon past boards have decided not to do that.

457
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,080
The alternate is that somebody's out there doing a project, and you and I are paying for it.

458
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:12,840
So if we want to do full cost recovery so that the applicant is paying 100% of that,

459
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,160
we can find that way without doing that.

460
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:20,260
We're essentially asking the community to pay for the cost of some private developer.

461
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,340
That is a policy decision of this board.

462
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:30,380
and when I first started here we had a discussion, we did update the fees in

463
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:35,500
21 but there was a kind of a question about what is the policy direction of

464
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:40,360
this board and I think at that time it was recognizing that things are

465
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:40,800
expensive.

466
00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:47,340
So there was not a direction to do full cost recovery but that is

467
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:52,040
certainly an option. We would have to consider things like long-range planning, for

468
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,940
For example, that I would expect might be a community wide expense, but

469
00:43:56,940 --> 00:44:00,580
current planning, which is the development review of permits and

470
00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:05,960
the building permits and inspections, I think would be reasonable for that to be covered by the applicant.

471
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,000
But I think it's definitely a policy question for this board to answer at some point.

472
00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:14,820
Yeah, appreciate that answer, appreciate the way you frame that.

473
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,000
Essentially, without that, the community subsidizing development.

474
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:27,920
Correct. And in some communities, that's a goal. They want to see more development. They need more jobs. They need more of

475
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,520
everything. And so I think that's the question is what do we need more of and what do we need less of?

476
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:41,200
And if we subsidize it or create a fee structure around that, you may be able to achieve that that policy goal.

477
00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:46,960
For example, some communities would waive the fees on affordable housing. Just an example.

478
00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:53,140
But if it's a big hotel, should we have low fees because we're trying to have more hotels?

479
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,740
I don't know if that's the same comparison.

480
00:44:58,070 --> 00:44:59,190
Other questions for Chris?

481
00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:02,460
I have a one or two more.

482
00:45:12,370 --> 00:45:21,250
Some we have private partners who are helping us with design review

483
00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:29,410
and plan review, and I would assume that some of this increase is due to increase costs

484
00:45:29,410 --> 00:45:32,750
of those relationships.

485
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:39,930
There is an additional cost to having private company doing the plan review.

486
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:45,530
West Coast Code Consulting does our plan reviews the past two full years.

487
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:48,810
It's cost over $200,000 to do those plan reviews.

488
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:53,470
That's more expensive than it is to have an onsite plans examiner.

489
00:45:54,610 --> 00:45:56,870
It's just been very hard to fill that position.

490
00:45:56,870 --> 00:46:04,750
We recently, well, six, eight months ago, this board authorized a restructuring increase in grade of that position.

491
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:12,670
We do have a good candidate that we're talking to or about to talk to, which is good, but I've had that conversation before, and it hasn't worked out.

492
00:46:14,430 --> 00:46:19,230
But yes, it is more expensive to have a firm that's doing this.

493
00:46:19,230 --> 00:46:23,870
now the advantage of the firm is that they've gotten an expert in electrical and structural

494
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:27,910
and plumbing as opposed to having somebody doing all the plan review at a house.

495
00:46:30,030 --> 00:46:33,210
So there's definitely some give and take, but it is more expensive.

496
00:46:34,510 --> 00:46:41,870
And finally, how much does it strikes me that as the codes get more complicated, their

497
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:43,270
reviews have to be more complicated?

498
00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:45,290
Is that a fair assessment?

499
00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:47,410
I would think so, yes.

500
00:46:47,410 --> 00:46:50,930
Yes, and more complicated means more expensive.

501
00:46:52,230 --> 00:47:00,170
So if the code's more complicated and has more bells and whistles in it, then the reviewer

502
00:47:00,170 --> 00:47:07,710
has a greater onus, a greater responsibility to check more boxes.

503
00:47:08,130 --> 00:47:11,910
More boxes means more time to review.

504
00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:21,210
are some of these increases due to the fact that we've adopted codes that are now more

505
00:47:21,210 --> 00:47:30,550
onerous and create more need for review. For example, we're reviewing things now that

506
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:36,170
we didn't have to review a year ago when the old codes weren't effect. Is that correct?

507
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:40,190
Mr. Gardner, I wouldn't say that it gets that much more complicated.

508
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:44,990
Most of these fees are for inspections, for planning.

509
00:47:45,850 --> 00:47:50,330
The fees that are paid for a building permit are based upon the valuation of the project.

510
00:47:51,250 --> 00:47:54,190
And so those projects are large and expensive.

511
00:47:54,970 --> 00:47:57,350
That fee is completely separate from this.

512
00:47:57,890 --> 00:48:03,530
That is based upon construction valuation numbers that we get from the International Code Council.

513
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:11,310
And so, I mean, the main plan review fee is not even included within these numbers.

514
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:15,910
That just gets updated once or twice a year based on new construction valuation data.

515
00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:22,850
So I don't know that there's significantly more regulation.

516
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:29,890
I mean, for example, the natural resources overlay, that's a planning issue, those fees

517
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:31,350
are within this list.

518
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:52,300
But the building codes, when you're talking about technical complexity of building codes is excluded from these fees and is accounted for separately, because there's already a built-in fee structure to increase that when new building cost valuation data is published.

519
00:48:55,860 --> 00:49:01,800
All right, seeing no other questions, we'll open it up for public comment.

520
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:06,610
Seeing none, looking for a motion, please.

521
00:49:07,070 --> 00:49:11,790
Mr. Chairman, I'll be happy to make the motion and just, you know, what offer I think this 45-day

522
00:49:11,790 --> 00:49:16,650
period is a great time for us to hear from the community about that balance that we're

523
00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:23,170
trying to strike of recovering costs and also performing, you know, our services as government.

524
00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:29,530
So I encourage folks to weigh in on what they are, and that's the purpose of doing this in this way.

525
00:49:30,070 --> 00:49:49,410
So I move to authorize the 45-day period, beginning on October 15, 2025, for public review and comment on proposed amendments to the Teach on County Planning and Building Services Department Schedule of Fees, represented in the October 7, 2025 draft, with a public hearing for potential adoption of the Fees Schedule on December 2, 2025.

526
00:49:49,410 --> 00:49:49,590
5.

527
00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:50,530
Second.

528
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:53,950
Motion from Commissioner Mackers, second from Commissioner Coralman.

529
00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:56,210
All those in favor, please say aye.

530
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:56,810
Aye.

531
00:49:57,850 --> 00:49:59,110
Motion carries unanimously.

532
00:49:59,890 --> 00:50:00,430
Thank you all.

533
00:50:01,810 --> 00:50:02,490
Yes, sir.

534
00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:03,330
Five minutes.

535
00:50:03,690 --> 00:50:08,170
Yeah, let's take a five minute break before we enter our matter for planning and development.

536
00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:08,750
Thank you.

537
00:50:09,450 --> 00:50:10,230
All right, great.

538
00:50:10,410 --> 00:50:16,890
We're back in session and Commissioner Macker reminded me that I failed to do the roll

539
00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:17,210
call.

540
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:22,490
Also, just for the record, all commissioners are present except for Chair Newcombe.

541
00:50:23,110 --> 00:50:25,930
And with that, we'll move on to matters for planning and development.

542
00:50:26,570 --> 00:50:27,010
Ms. Monroe.

543
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,320
Morning commissioners, Erin Monroe, Associate Long-Range Planner.

544
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,240
I've not prepared a presentation.

545
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:46,560
This morning, I'm bringing back before you, AMD 2025-0001.

546
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,380
The applicant is Mountain Wyoming Capital LLC or Ridge Line

547
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:55,760
Excavation and the applicant's agent is Alex Norton.

548
00:50:57,420 --> 00:51:02,260
So this item went before you last month on September 16th.

549
00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:07,380
I gave a presentation, the applicant gave a presentation, public comment was taken, and

550
00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:12,900
then the item was continued today to kind of review what the proposal was.

551
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:22,560
it was to add to primary uses to what is allowed in the workforce home business zone or the

552
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:29,200
zone that overlays hog island. It was going to limit those uses light and heavy industry

553
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:37,660
to up to three acres and only on sites that are at least partially within 200 feet of highway

554
00:51:37,660 --> 00:51:38,240
way right of way.

555
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:47,340
At the last hearing, we heard some questions from you all, from the commission, and kind

556
00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:56,340
of based on that, we went ahead and drafted some potential amendments this board, may

557
00:51:56,340 --> 00:51:57,600
find agreeable.

558
00:51:58,380 --> 00:52:07,080
So yeah, on the third page of the packet of the memo I prepared for today, we kind of staff

559
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:13,120
kind of outlined some potential changes that could be made that either address the questions

560
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:20,700
you asked and or are just clarifying edits to the proposed language. We shared this

561
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:27,120
with the applicant, I think, a week and a half, two weeks ago. And they provided another

562
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,840
small edit that kind of responds to, I believe, a comment from Chris Colligan that kind of spoke

563
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:39,920
I hope to water quality issues and making sure that if these uses are allowed they consider water quality considerations.

564
00:52:40,260 --> 00:52:56,740
So anyway with that, I'm available for questions and I believe the applicant may have wanted to make a quick comment as well before we get back into this.

565
00:52:56,740 --> 00:52:57,340
Great.

566
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,320
A question from Commissioner Macker.

567
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,080
Thank you.

568
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:10,320
Mr. Nrell, can you remind me because there is, I believe, this change to say all heavy equipment

569
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,220
shall be stored in a fully enclosed structure is heavy equipment defined somewhere.

570
00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:23,470
Commissioner Macker, that's a great question.

571
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:26,770
Let me check really quick.

572
00:53:26,770 --> 00:53:35,050
Heavy equipment is a listed instance of what is allowed under heavy industry.

573
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:42,390
It says paving excavation, hauling, and other contracting services involving heavy equipment.

574
00:53:42,750 --> 00:53:48,810
So I guess the LDRs are alluding to heavy equipment being equipment used for paving excavation and hauling.

575
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:49,590
Thank you.

576
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:53,730
And Ms. Monroe, can you, there's a lot of colors in here.

577
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:59,750
And can you walk me through what each color represents the, over we got first.

578
00:54:00,530 --> 00:54:03,150
Yeah, I can say that out loud too.

579
00:54:03,310 --> 00:54:09,230
So the text that's in red, that's just pulling from what the applicant proposed on their

580
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:12,130
red line, which is the third item in this packet.

581
00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:14,390
They're most up-to-date red line proposal.

582
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:21,890
And then in blue, those are all the edits staff made that are kind of up to this board's

583
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:23,770
discretion if they want to consider those.

584
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:28,710
Of note, the planning director is still recommending denial of this application.

585
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:32,770
These were just edits that kind of got to your comments and just kind of clarify the text

586
00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:36,670
in case this commission decides to move forward to this proposal.

587
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:39,390
So blue edits are from staff.

588
00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:43,310
And then there's a green at it, which is number eight,

589
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:48,730
understanders, and that was something that the applicant wanted to add in.

590
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:51,290
Great, thank you.

591
00:54:51,730 --> 00:54:51,910
Yes.

592
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:56,050
And other questions for Aaron, or shall we hear from the applicant?

593
00:54:56,450 --> 00:54:56,830
Yes, commissioner.

594
00:54:56,830 --> 00:54:58,350
Just a couple of process questions.

595
00:54:58,670 --> 00:55:05,890
With these changes, I assume that these suggested amendments were not reviewed by the Planning Commission.

596
00:55:06,610 --> 00:55:07,050
Is that right?

597
00:55:07,050 --> 00:55:07,090
Right.

598
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:09,810
Commissioner Prope's, good question.

599
00:55:10,110 --> 00:55:12,570
Yeah, the blue edits were not reviewed by the Planning Commission.

600
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:21,530
This was staff kind of coming up with some edits that we found to be, that I had staff

601
00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:27,450
in legal review, planning staff in legal review, for this board to consider, just to avoid a situation

602
00:55:27,450 --> 00:55:31,190
where we're on the fly trying to come up with some of this language, but it was not reviewed

603
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:34,250
by the Planning Commission for the PRC reviewers, yes.

604
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:34,410
Yes.

605
00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:36,790
Mr. Carmel.

606
00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:38,370
Thank you, Vice Chair Gardner.

607
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:41,910
Aaron, this is really directed to you.

608
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:42,610
It's nice to see you.

609
00:55:42,790 --> 00:55:43,730
Thank you for being here.

610
00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:46,550
It's a process question, as well, for us.

611
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:52,270
With these suggested changes, I know they're part of the staff report,

612
00:55:52,990 --> 00:55:55,370
which was made available to the public.

613
00:55:56,750 --> 00:56:00,890
But they weren't here when we last considered this and had public comment.

614
00:56:00,890 --> 00:56:11,390
So, I'm hoping that we will allow public comment today and get the benefit of, you know, people's input from in response to maybe new ideas.

615
00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:13,310
Is that agreeable to you?

616
00:56:13,610 --> 00:56:14,930
Yeah, that was certainly my intention.

617
00:56:15,370 --> 00:56:15,910
Great, thanks.

618
00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:20,000
Thanks, Eric.

619
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:22,660
Applicant, we're going to speak.

620
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:31,080
Thank you, Chair Gardiner, commissioners.

621
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,220
Alex is much more eloquent about the nuances of planning than I am.

622
00:56:35,340 --> 00:56:38,720
So, I will try to make it quick, John Graham on behalf of the applicant.

623
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:44,500
And I just want to make it clear first that I got roped into this by Representative Kirk originally,

624
00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:47,800
but this is a hat in hand asked from the applicant.

625
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,900
You're never going to hear us say that you abused your discretion in denying or approving a zoning.

626
00:56:54,080 --> 00:57:02,140
So I'm just here to argue on the policy side, because you have absolute discretion to make this decision either way.

627
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:08,760
I just wanted to highlight a couple of things that I think were lost in the last meeting.

628
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:16,700
The one is we are asking for a new primary used to be added but light industrial and

629
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:23,980
heavy industrial are already allowed as accessory uses and that's under the contractor business

630
00:57:23,980 --> 00:57:24,900
section of this.

631
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:35,160
So if somebody's primary residence is on the site, they can have, you know, an enclosed

632
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,720
structure with all their excavation equipment for their small excavation business.

633
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:47,260
The flip occurs when you have employees housed on site instead of your primary residence.

634
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:53,760
And that was, you know, part of the intent of the workforce home business when they created

635
00:57:53,760 --> 00:58:00,400
that zone, but it is important to keep in mind that with the backstop CUP review that you have

636
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,340
here, you have a lot of discretion over the scale and size of these. So it's not necessarily

637
00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:12,000
implicating it, and in fact, a lot of the businesses that currently exist under the workforce,

638
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:19,180
home business have a larger business footprint than home footprint in terms of the actual square

639
00:58:19,180 --> 00:58:24,720
footage that deciding factors to whether it's primary accessory is whether it's a primary

640
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,000
residence or whether it's accessory workforce housing.

641
00:58:28,220 --> 00:58:32,960
So, we're not even asking for something that necessarily changes the footprint of what's

642
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:33,740
allowed on the site.

643
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:39,460
It's more than anything the people that are allowed to build there, or sorry, people that are

644
00:58:39,460 --> 00:58:40,180
allowed to live there.

645
00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:42,840
And, you know, I don't want to mislead it all.

646
00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:48,080
This amendment would allow more square footage, but you could walk that back with every

647
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:54,660
We see the approval based on what you found was appropriate for the neighborhood at the time the CUP came in.

648
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:02,380
So, on the ground, this can end up looking very similar to what's already out there.

649
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:11,940
It's really just a change in who's in these residences that are obviously going to be on the site because that's consistent with the workforce home business goal overall.

650
00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:15,940
I also wanted to touch briefly on the comp plan.

651
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:21,280
You know, I think something that was missed in the last time we went through this was the

652
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,160
area description absolutely says it shouldn't transition into a full industrial

653
00:59:28,820 --> 00:59:33,760
like the business park, but it's also very clear in there and this is that exact quote,

654
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,900
gravel and concrete and heavy governmental uses will continue to be appropriate.

655
00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:45,660
So it's already identified as a zone where this type of impact can possibly land

656
00:59:45,940 --> 00:59:52,140
And then you go to comp plan 6.2.d where the goal is to promote light industry and

657
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:55,080
That's kind of where the rubber hits the road on this

658
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,940
This is the only spot you have left besides the business park where there's even

659
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
And kind of a general mention of any of these uses continuing to be appropriate. And if we're out of space, as they've gust of, they've gust of some told units comments about ham and told units comments, you know, where else are we going to put it? If we're following the comp plan with the goal of promoting light industry and not pushing that to adjacent counties and making all these services commuter services, which, you know, ties in very, very neatly with the discussion we're having about project calls.

660
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:32,240
costs and expenses just a couple minutes earlier.

661
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,600
So, you know, overall our pitch here to the commission is,

662
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,060
oh, and the last thing I would say is, you know,

663
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,280
there's been some discussion about the predictability

664
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,380
from the 2020 rezone and how walking back a rezone

665
01:00:47,380 --> 01:00:51,560
so quickly after it occurred undermines predictability

666
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,180
and reliance on the zoning.

667
01:00:53,820 --> 01:00:57,500
You know, I would also say that the opposite is true.

668
01:00:57,500 --> 01:01:06,000
So you rezone this in 2020, 2022, I apologize, and there are a number of pre-existing non-conformities

669
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:06,420
out there.

670
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:11,680
And I think what you see with the demand for this type of space is that none of these

671
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,960
pre-existing non-conformities are going to get brought in from the cold to the current zoning.

672
01:01:16,180 --> 01:01:20,040
They're just going to be perpetuated because there's a need, there's a demand.

673
01:01:21,180 --> 01:01:28,260
So I would say that by acknowledging that and kind of seeing it after three years of the operative zoning,

674
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,500
what you're doing is you're creating an opportunity for these businesses to come in from the cold,

675
01:01:33,540 --> 01:01:38,040
you know, potentially change the use a little bit because they now have this incentive structure

676
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:47,020
where they can become a conforming use and that might give you more predictability and stability in the long term.

677
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:56,120
So you know, it's very rare, I know some neighbors are opposed to this and I understand that, it's right in their backyard, I empathize with that.

678
01:01:56,780 --> 01:01:58,920
There are also a number of neighbors that are supportive.

679
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:06,500
If you go back and watch the public comment, Philip Lanick's and Esther Judge, Aiden Hatfield, Kathy Robertson, all commented in support of this.

680
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:15,600
It's very rare that you get a project for increased use, where some of the neighbors are in fact supportive of it and

681
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:21,620
supportive enough to be willing to come up and say that and you have Dave Gustafson, Bob Hammond,

682
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:26,840
all telling you that this is necessary for the community and these businesses need a landing place.

683
01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:32,520
So our hope is that we've brought something that's beneficial to the community as a whole.

684
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,080
Even though we understand that some neighbors are going to be unhappy with it and

685
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,240
that we can move this project forward to keep these services in Teton County and benefit the county as a whole.

686
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,680
I'm happy to answer any questions or turn it over to Alex who, again, is much smarter than I am if there are any.

687
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,220
Any questions from Mr. Graham?

688
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,180
I think it's here for Alex.

689
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,020
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

690
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:09,500
Commission, Alex Northern OPS strategies on behalf of the applicant, I'd like to thank staff for the work in preparing this memo with some revised language here.

691
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:39,480
I think that in response to the question about the Planning Commission, while the Planning Commission didn't review this language, because they recommended denial, they didn't go through and talk about how they would change the actual language of the amendment, however, the topics that they discussed in their meeting around water quality and making sure that we're managing the size of the use and addressing the different property sizes are the same issues that you can see.

692
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:44,360
you talked about in the original meeting a couple of weeks ago and that staff addressed

693
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:53,300
in this potential language here so I do think these changes reflect that conversation.

694
01:03:53,940 --> 01:04:04,200
The one piece that I would point to you is in, is the language around storing equipment

695
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:18,460
in fully enclosed structures, I would just say that I'm not sure that that is the best way to screen the impacts of heavy equipment.

696
01:04:18,860 --> 01:04:26,720
I think we've seen in a number of places that trying to get everything inside isn't always feasible, doesn't always work.

697
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:48,320
and that potentially the landscaping requirement that's already been approved, proposed and in there is potentially a better way to do that while still maintaining open movement corridors through the area and actually increasing your screening over time as trees continue to grow.

698
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:55,660
So they provide better and better screening over a time as opposed to a building.

699
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,460
Everybody's experienced this and their garage seems to get smaller and smaller over time.

700
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:10,180
And so I fully understand the proposal there and what staff is planning to do and

701
01:05:10,180 --> 01:05:15,680
just think that potentially the landscaping requirement is a better way to achieve that screening and

702
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:21,640
is again, like John talked about something that you can review through the CUP process

703
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:26,900
and make sure you've got that adequate screening so that you know that you're taking care

704
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:32,900
of that over time and you can avoid another big building in the community when the goal

705
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:35,740
is just to make sure we're not looking at park trucks.

706
01:05:35,740 --> 01:05:45,100
So, you know, ultimately, the applicant has reviewed this language and would be appreciative

707
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:53,080
of a motion for approval that included this language, the staff included in their memo,

708
01:05:53,600 --> 01:06:02,640
but would also like you to consider removing the first sentence in number seven of the standards

709
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:10,280
It's there that says that all heavy equipment shall be stored at the fully enclosed structure because we think that the landscaping requirement

710
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:22,120
more adequately achieves the screening goals without limiting the very use that's needed in the community and that you're that is the purpose of the amendment.

711
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,240
With that, I'd be happy to answer any other questions you have.

712
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:28,590
Questions for Alex?

713
01:06:32,540 --> 01:06:34,560
Thank you, Mr. Chair, Gardner.

714
01:06:36,580 --> 01:06:58,340
Alex, we continued this item a few weeks ago in one of my ambitions, and I mentioned the applicant directly was some communication with the neighbors to kind of let them know what you were thinking and if there were ways to improve this that might address their needs and make them feel more comfortable with it.

715
01:06:58,340 --> 01:07:01,720
Did you have a chance to do any of that, or was the timing too short?

716
01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:08,020
Yeah, the applicant certainly had some conversations with neighbors and

717
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:15,940
attempted to reach out to the direct neighbors who some of whom spoke in opposition to the proposal.

718
01:07:16,780 --> 01:07:20,280
Was enabled to connect with them in the time period.

719
01:07:20,780 --> 01:07:26,720
Not sure if additional time would aid in that connection or not.

720
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:35,600
But definitely appreciate that suggestion and have talked to some of the neighbors, but not all of them.

721
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:36,800
Okay, thank you.

722
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,560
Other questions?

723
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,360
Seeing none, thank you, Alex.

724
01:07:48,260 --> 01:07:51,120
Let's open it up for public comment on this item.

725
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:02,500
And I'll remind the public as you make sure you mention your name and

726
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:07,580
And please sign in on the sheet over here and please limit your remarks to three minutes.

727
01:08:07,940 --> 01:08:11,340
I was signed in before I start talking because I probably would be running when I'm done.

728
01:08:32,740 --> 01:08:36,760
Thank you, commissioners, for the opportunity to voice my opinion.

729
01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:42,200
Norse Brown, I live directly across from this mess.

730
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:51,020
Which the only reason we're here today is because the county hasn't had a code compliance

731
01:08:51,020 --> 01:08:57,020
office for the six or seven years since I was last at a meeting when the neighbors

732
01:08:57,020 --> 01:09:03,700
across the street started the neighborhood business park idea and it's grown.

733
01:09:04,420 --> 01:09:11,080
So my point being is one of the gentlemen alluded to the character of what Kurt

734
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:17,600
Hogan and Ridgeline wants to do really isn't that a character which you all have

735
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:26,760
out to happen. I got a list of probably eight co-compliance officers since Jennifer Anderson was

736
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:35,340
the last full-time one. And I looked back to Mr. Prope's comment a little while ago about the

737
01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:43,960
survey, the GS, and if they didn't perform, would you get your money back? Kind of hit home on this

738
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:53,020
as a taxpayer. I haven't gotten my money's worth of my complaints. Jennifer Anderson assured

739
01:09:53,020 --> 01:10:01,340
me that when the the the Eastman started their project, they would not be given a occupancy

740
01:10:01,340 --> 01:10:06,880
permit for their cabins till they completed their pole barn and their equipment was inside.

741
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:18,240
a flat out didn't happen ever. The list of co-compliance officers, Jennifer Anderson, William

742
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:27,160
Hut, Susan Johnson, Olivia, Christie, Josh Chandler, will. You haven't had a full-time

743
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:32,520
co-compliance officer that can even communicate to me the dates of your meetings.

744
01:10:35,660 --> 01:10:37,420
This is only

745
01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:46,880
happen because of lack of your oversight on the co-compliance that the all signed off on when they were given their permits.

746
01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:59,620
And I just ask you to look at, I'm not endorsing Kurtz project, just simply because the amount of traffic that's across is directly across the street.

747
01:10:59,620 --> 01:11:04,040
When my wife and my moved out of town, we built a home there 45 years ago.

748
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:11,320
Now I have TLC haul and snow 24 or 7 in the winter time because the city is overbuilt.

749
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:13,660
There's no snow storage in town.

750
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,180
I have their hours that are not complied to.

751
01:11:19,580 --> 01:11:23,860
The Eastmen have failed to put their construction stuff inside.

752
01:11:24,620 --> 01:11:29,740
When I drive out my driveway, the first thing I see is a big Chinese container says,

753
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,740
Hinge in. When I ask somebody, I ask where I live. I just tell them, just follow the

754
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:38,740
dust from the rodeo stock, and when you see the junkyard, hang a left.

755
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:44,500
The last time I was

756
01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:50,680
here, like I said, the Lennoxes and the Judds and Eastmans, I'll sign off. The Judds have

757
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:55,480
never put their equipment inside. Of course, they endorse this project because it allows

758
01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:58,480
them, they don't even live there, they're just part-time residents.

759
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:06,780
So I guess my, that's the gist of my complaint being here today, unfortunately I can't endorse

760
01:12:06,780 --> 01:12:14,480
Kurt's situation because of the the amount of traffic that it's going to, you know, create

761
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:15,000
down there.

762
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,920
There's no jake break, engine break, restrictions, hardly anywhere in Teetown County.

763
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:25,820
So, when they come down and they go in there, TLC has processed top cell for six years.

764
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:29,920
You probably all remember the pile that sat along the road.

765
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:38,860
I mean, it's set there for eight months, and they continue to not follow the hours.

766
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:42,840
So, that's my complaint right now, and that's why this is in front of you.

767
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:48,360
If I took anybody that wanted to start a construction business and drove down there right now, you

768
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:55,080
would think you could do it because of what has happened because of lack of compliance.

769
01:12:56,940 --> 01:13:04,720
So that's really the gist of my, you know, I've visited with Lenny before and I've visited

770
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,880
with Nukem,

771
01:13:08,890 --> 01:13:13,070
but I was not in town the last couple meetings.

772
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:16,210
So I thank you for hearing me out.

773
01:13:17,010 --> 01:13:18,390
I know there's a need.

774
01:13:19,210 --> 01:13:25,190
My gut feeling is that the next time Teton Village wants to put in some more stuff, you

775
01:13:25,190 --> 01:13:28,390
mandate some commercial light industrial somewhere.

776
01:13:28,990 --> 01:13:33,650
You force feed other parts of the county to deal with it.

777
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:41,990
And when you look at the map, there's a lot of private property, the martin properties

778
01:13:42,350 --> 01:13:43,130
to the south.

779
01:13:43,130 --> 01:13:51,990
Well, it can't grow real big, it's not like this is going to take off and, you know, and continue up to the weed and pest or whatever.

780
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:58,050
But you do have all the Robertson property which could be developed into this kind of stuff.

781
01:13:58,450 --> 01:14:04,190
So I just ask you to, you know, this is supposedly a scenic by way to the untrusted Jackson from the South.

782
01:14:04,590 --> 01:14:07,710
And it is not scenic right now, thank you.

783
01:14:07,710 --> 01:14:08,570
Good

784
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,780
morning, county commissioners. My name is Elizabeth Eastman. I'm going to keep it brief.

785
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,880
We're just urging the county commissioners for consistency and enforcement and interpretation

786
01:14:30,220 --> 01:14:37,440
of the comprehensive plan and the LDRs. 12 years ago, as I've stated previously, we approach

787
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:43,920
the county with almost an identical ask. Neighbors and the county were very clear, even considering

788
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:50,440
pre-existing non-conformities, the primary use must be residential, and that was also enforced

789
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:51,660
during the most recent reason.

790
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:58,840
We may not align with every single role that's applied to us, but we do live there full

791
01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:59,260
time.

792
01:14:59,620 --> 01:14:59,960
We're trying to...

793
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:27,920
We can operate so that we are respective, our bare neighbors. We understand that it's a neighborhood. We bring our family there. I got married on my front porch because that's my home. We built that home. The change in primary use is pivotal to your decision today. To approve the primary use will ultimately of heavy industrial to add, sorry, to approve the primary use of industrial from residential.

794
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:34,440
will ultimately change the appearance and use of Haab Island and will increase the issues

795
01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:41,700
that Norris Brown has highlighted. We're not here to point fingers anyone but we are asking for

796
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:46,440
consistency and we're going to do our best to be a good neighbor and we would like to ensure

797
01:15:46,900 --> 01:15:50,920
that the county is a good neighbor to us and saying this is what we've enforced on you

798
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,620
and we are going to carry that forward. Thank you for your time.

799
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:56,440
Mr. Chair.

800
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:57,180
Yes, sir.

801
01:15:57,340 --> 01:15:57,720
Mr. Brown.

802
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,040
You might have asked the Mrs. Eastman a question.

803
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:01,640
Go ahead.

804
01:16:02,060 --> 01:16:02,420
Thanks.

805
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,300
And I had sort of had the same question for Mr. Brown, but he, in part, answered it without

806
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:08,200
my even asking it.

807
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:15,540
But you've recognized, too, that we have a real need in our community for

808
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:17,000
light and industrial work.

809
01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:22,060
And I'm grateful every time, you know, I need a plumber or something that we still have a plumber

810
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:24,440
in Teton County who can come help me out.

811
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:26,320
And I'm grateful that we have cloud drivers

812
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,480
in places for equipment and trucks

813
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:36,800
and that's stuff to be that's not in Alpine or Victor.

814
01:16:37,540 --> 01:16:39,540
You're in this general business.

815
01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:44,120
So you know it as well as better than we do than I do for sure.

816
01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:49,560
One of the strong arguments that the applicant has made

817
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:54,420
is 80 ton counting, they're not this blunt, but grow up.

818
01:16:54,620 --> 01:16:56,420
You've got lots of growth around you.

819
01:16:56,900 --> 01:17:02,180
You have a need for light industrial equipment and people and services.

820
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:03,880
Where are you going to put them?

821
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:08,040
And so that's on my mind.

822
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:13,280
And you know this equation and you know where you live that we do have a lot of that stuff.

823
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,120
Maybe it's because of failure of code compliance.

824
01:17:16,980 --> 01:17:18,360
But what's your advice to us?

825
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:22,380
And my answer would be to memorialize what's in place.

826
01:17:22,780 --> 01:17:26,980
My understanding, and I would maybe defer to the county department,

827
01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:34,480
that the current zoning does not allow residential with an accessory use of industrial.

828
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:43,080
I believe it's a home daycare landscaping, and there may be one other home business.

829
01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:47,300
It does not clearly stipulate that it could be industrial.

830
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:52,940
We were told we were a grandfathered business allowing the conditional use of industrial.

831
01:17:54,060 --> 01:18:00,820
And so my recommendation would be to memorialize what's existing, where the owner has to live on site.

832
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:02,500
That is huge.

833
01:18:03,060 --> 01:18:05,200
Us living there, we're there every day.

834
01:18:05,900 --> 01:18:12,020
We hear stoddards dump trucks coming and going at night, and it upsets us because we're not doing that.

835
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,660
We want to respect our neighbors, we don't call snow in there.

836
01:18:15,540 --> 01:18:35,440
And so my focus is on the primary use change, I think maybe expanding work on business and giving small businesses the opportunity to build a home and build a business like we were able to do would give the opportunity to keep this

837
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:41,440
kind of industry in the valley, but would also respect what's been existing and would be

838
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:46,780
a compromise that would meet in the middle that I'm not going to speak for my brother-in-law.

839
01:18:46,780 --> 01:18:54,900
He may not agree. I think would be better. Having the owner live on site creates immediate

840
01:18:54,900 --> 01:19:00,320
accountability. You know, if the Code Compliance Officer comes to us and they say you can't

841
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:05,200
operate anymore because you're not following the rules we gave you, we're there. We see it every day.

842
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:10,500
we can adjust where it's just employees, you can kind of step back and say oh it's just my employees

843
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:15,680
I told them what to do but they're not listening to me. So living on site having the owner there

844
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:22,140
and having it be their residence I think is the crux of the work home business zoning and

845
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:31,760
amending it to allow more uses I think would be good but keeping that primary use of residential as

846
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:40,980
as it's been enforced for more than a decade, is key to not shifting Hog Island to a business park.

847
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,880
Thank you, that was a very helpful answer, thank you.

848
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:46,500
Other

849
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:49,540
cup public comment?

850
01:20:22,940 --> 01:20:31,800
Good morning, I'm Bill Schreiber, I'm actually resident of Wilson, so I don't live near this, but I was thinking I'm just

851
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:36,800
I just happened to see this article in the newspaper and felt that maybe I could help and

852
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,180
make some suggestions about this application.

853
01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:43,200
So I'm going to sort of read this so I don't miss any points.

854
01:20:44,380 --> 01:20:49,060
As I mentioned, I live in Wilson, and I do understand a lot of what Len is saying.

855
01:20:49,380 --> 01:20:50,940
The need is there.

856
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,700
And so really the question to me is that the devil is sort of in the details.

857
01:20:55,820 --> 01:21:04,980
I think the change in the Ellis Lane Development Regulations certainly is a very detailed and complex process.

858
01:21:05,340 --> 01:21:09,980
I commend Chris and his staff on all the work they've done on this application.

859
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:14,780
It seems like they've really given it a lot of thought and added a lot of clarity to the regulations,

860
01:21:14,780 --> 01:21:20,760
which I think is really, really important to get the details right, so that makes sense.

861
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:50,740
At any time we do uses and zoning changes, there are unintended consequences, and one of the things that I think is kind of interesting, I thought that these changes would probably increase the value of these areas where the zoning is changing, thus would probably increase the assessed value, therefore it would probably increase the taxes on the people that live there since this is an area where it's not just industrial where people, people are just businesses,

862
01:21:50,740 --> 01:21:54,240
is they actually live there, and that would just go on in perpetuity.

863
01:21:55,680 --> 01:22:00,100
My biggest concern, though, as someone who drives this corridor a lot, is that just

864
01:22:00,100 --> 01:22:07,920
the visuals of it, I think one thing is that trying to keep the corridor where you drive

865
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:14,180
down, where you're going to the river or whatever, where the visuals are maintained is something

866
01:22:14,180 --> 01:22:20,020
that there's a lot of proposals in here that are trying to maintain that, but I don't think

867
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:23,960
it goes quite far enough, so I can talk about that a little bit more.

868
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:28,420
The next thing, of course, is that I think it's a little bit when I look at the language

869
01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:35,160
in the comprehensive plan that is talking about, what do you call it, District 7,

870
01:22:35,460 --> 01:22:37,540
so what it's called, District 7.

871
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,520
I think that this goes a little contrary to that.

872
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,560
And I know there was a ton of time spent on the comprehensive plan.

873
01:22:43,740 --> 01:22:49,200
And so, again, this gets back to this quarter along Highway 89 and trying to preserve

874
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,220
of a lot of things that are outlined in the comprehensive plan.

875
01:22:54,940 --> 01:23:12,440
I do also think that the way it's written, I would ask that currently you deny the application just like staff is recommending denial, but if you don't deny it, some edits that I thought might help.

876
01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:18,200
First one was about the range of the zoning.

877
01:23:19,180 --> 01:23:24,520
There's in the area of where it says 200 feet minimum to 500 feet maximum.

878
01:23:25,180 --> 01:23:27,140
There's language that's used partially.

879
01:23:27,820 --> 01:23:32,720
Well, to me, as someone who's been on the T-Time Bill of Architectural Committee for decades,

880
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,880
anytime partially, if it's undefined, I don't know.

881
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,240
I would delete the word partially.

882
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:40,300
I think that's something that should not be in there.

883
01:23:41,660 --> 01:23:46,100
The next thing is the times for operation.

884
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:54,440
You know, to me, I used to live in Wilson Meadows and Wilson and I was near the seat in operation.

885
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:00,520
And in the winter time, they start the vehicles 7, 630 and let them run to warm up.

886
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,340
And so, to me, maybe you shorten that time a little bit.

887
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,360
Maybe it starts at 730 and then in the evening it goes to 930.

888
01:24:09,340 --> 01:24:14,040
And maybe it's more related around noise rather than operation, so you can look at that.

889
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:20,640
I do agree with Mr. Norton on his thoughts about screening, and how to make things look better.

890
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:26,180
Where I think that to build big buildings in and close everything, probably not the way to go.

891
01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:31,340
I think if you do stuff where you have it, we're starting at the edge of the road easement.

892
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:38,240
First you have landscaping, then you maybe have a building, and then parking and all stock piles go behind that.

893
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:48,460
So maybe those are the kind of the details that could be tweaked to make it a little bit more efficient and a little bit more of solving the problem of the visuals.

894
01:24:50,220 --> 01:24:59,160
And then last, as I mentioned, I was on the architectural committee, that the noise issue, maybe you add something about the limits of noise.

895
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,720
The Teton Village CCNRs have a really great section about noise limits.

896
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:10,340
A lot of it words, the noise has reduced at 8 o'clock, but not necessarily the operation, right?

897
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,880
Because that's a big part of the, I think the impact to neighbors.

898
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,660
So with that, I thank you for your time.

899
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:21,400
Thanks Bill.

900
01:25:26,620 --> 01:25:28,600
Hi, my name's Jen Evans.

901
01:25:28,940 --> 01:25:31,820
I'm advocacy director with Protect Our Water Jackson Hole.

902
01:25:31,820 --> 01:25:39,820
I submitted a letter along with Snake River Fund on this topic and so since I'm sure you've

903
01:25:39,820 --> 01:25:45,680
already read it, I'll just emphasize some of the main points being that Hog Island is

904
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:52,540
home to some of the most pristine groundwater in southern Teton County and as a water quality

905
01:25:53,160 --> 01:26:00,040
protection group, we're of course worried about how industrial use could affect this, whether

906
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:12,260
that's fuel leaks, spillage, it just does pose a concern and along with some of the topics

907
01:26:12,260 --> 01:26:22,920
that Snake River fund brought up, it's along the Snake River which is obviously a protected

908
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:23,940
river.

909
01:26:24,220 --> 01:26:28,500
So we just want to emphasize those points and for you to take water quality and water

910
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:34,680
protection. Just think about it when you're making this decision, so thank you.

911
01:26:35,020 --> 01:26:35,480
The

912
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:43,860
public comment in the room.

913
01:26:47,980 --> 01:26:48,300
Yes, sir.

914
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:48,880
I

915
01:26:53,710 --> 01:26:56,650
don't think that's, I don't think so, sorry.

916
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,320
Any other public comment? Any online?

917
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,800
Okay, seeing none, we'll bring it back to the board for discussion.

918
01:27:10,210 --> 01:27:10,650
Thoughts?

919
01:27:14,090 --> 01:27:14,590
Mr. Carman.

920
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:16,790
Thank you, Vice Chair Cardiner.

921
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:21,650
I don't want to put Mr. Hogan entirely on the spot, but a little bit.

922
01:27:22,610 --> 01:27:31,750
You've heard neighborhood concerns about the scale of the operation, hours of activity.

923
01:27:33,950 --> 01:27:40,350
And you heard the case made for the value of having the principal, the owner, living on site.

924
01:27:40,350 --> 01:27:46,910
rather than having light industrial B primary use that would not require the owner to live on site.

925
01:27:48,430 --> 01:27:51,510
You want to move into the neighborhood.

926
01:27:53,250 --> 01:27:55,170
What are you thinking about all that?

927
01:27:55,710 --> 01:27:58,230
And you can send anybody up you want.

928
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:07,720
Thank you. Nobody asked me if I ever was going to live on site.

929
01:28:08,220 --> 01:28:09,740
That's what's funny about the whole thing.

930
01:28:11,500 --> 01:28:13,580
I haven't said I would, I haven't said I wouldn't, I don't know.

931
01:28:14,780 --> 01:28:16,280
I'm not opposed to it.

932
01:28:17,300 --> 01:28:28,080
I mean, obviously, if we were approved, we don't see a structure even going up for two years because of permitting and getting all of our conditionally permits.

933
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,060
So, I haven't ruled it out.

934
01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:36,100
I mean, as I'm an empty nester in about six months, so I don't really need the house.

935
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,720
I mean, I only need an apartment in the concern that we're not there.

936
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:45,720
Well, I'm there from about 5.30 or 6 in the morning until about 9.30 at night.

937
01:28:46,420 --> 01:28:50,220
So I'm there more than anybody as it is right now at our office.

938
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:55,600
So I am always there personally, kind of commanding it as far as our people.

939
01:28:56,280 --> 01:29:02,340
We don't leave the office till 7.30 and we're usually always back by 5.30 unless there's an emergency

940
01:29:02,340 --> 01:29:03,180
situation.

941
01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:06,660
So have I answered your question?

942
01:29:06,660 --> 01:29:12,780
Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't ask for a different answer or a better answer. That's where you are in your life.

943
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:20,080
We have no intention of storing stockpiles of anything there. It's merely we're living on a

944
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:25,560
postage stamp right now that we can't function. You know, in concerns to the water quality,

945
01:29:26,220 --> 01:29:32,420
there's a cesspool adjacent to the property. There's fuel tanks adjacent to the property. They're already

946
01:29:32,420 --> 01:29:48,340
there and all of our stuff is double containment concrete wall tanks, so but again, those are things that could be conditionally used out of our proposal, but there are neighboring ground water concerns already there.

947
01:29:49,540 --> 01:29:55,180
Thank you, and Mr. Graham seems eager to help us discuss this.

948
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,800
Thank you, Commissioner Carman, commissioners, John Graham.

949
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,040
I would also just highlight again that our goal here is really to just start the discussion. I think that under the CUP process, it would be absolutely appropriate for this board, for example, to say that, you know, a proposal where Mr. Hogan has the full three acres of site and doesn't include anything and uses every square engine has two small employee apartments,

950
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,300
is going to unfairly burden the neighborhood.

951
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:37,820
And I think, right, when you look at the definition of conditional use permit in planning,

952
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:48,420
it is essentially a use that depending on scale, size, orientation restrictions may or may not be compatible with the neighborhood it's in.

953
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:57,200
So I think there is really implied in all of this a close look at continuing compatibility.

954
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:02,680
that's absolutely a standard that's going to be exercised and there will absolutely be

955
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:07,640
proposals that come in front of you that don't meet the CUP standards for this neighborhood.

956
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:15,440
I think this is the starting point for that conversation and then each individual site

957
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:23,440
needs to be designed, planned, developed in a way where it doesn't adversely impact the

958
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,000
in an unacceptable way.

959
01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:29,280
So, you know, I think that's the answer on the CP side,

960
01:31:29,420 --> 01:31:31,120
you know, I also wanted to highlight,

961
01:31:31,260 --> 01:31:33,800
there's a lot of discussion about enforcement

962
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,280
and how this zone has gotten to this point.

963
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:41,740
Again, I think that's almost why this broader catch

964
01:31:41,740 --> 01:31:42,880
is more important.

965
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,560
You are bringing people in from the cold

966
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,240
if they're pre-existing non-conformity.

967
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:56,560
you know, if they, if let's say, you know, TLC sells because that's one that's

968
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:02,880
pointed to with the snow removal and everything. And, you know, another similar

969
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,600
business wants to go down there, but you know, they want to change some of the

970
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:12,780
operations. They might, as it's currently zoned, really try to continue that

971
01:32:12,780 --> 01:32:17,380
nonconforming use and not discontinue it so that they're not forced to be brought

972
01:32:17,380 --> 01:32:21,940
into conformity, if they have a reasonable CUP process, though, and they're considering

973
01:32:21,940 --> 01:32:25,840
some change in operations, that suddenly looks a lot more appealing.

974
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:27,460
So again, I think it's twofold.

975
01:32:27,980 --> 01:32:35,260
I think that the individual CUP requirement for new projects requires minimization of impact

976
01:32:35,260 --> 01:32:41,860
on neighbors, and I think that the avenue for a CUP going forward is going to lead to better

977
01:32:41,860 --> 01:32:46,400
regulated business down there, even on sites where this kind of intrusive use has already

978
01:33:00,580 --> 01:33:12,280
I don't know if there are final thoughts, but I'm challenged really a lot by this because I understand the need and

979
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:21,380
what's trying to be accomplished and the manner of going through RLDR process and trying to get there this way.

980
01:33:21,380 --> 01:33:29,960
But I also was here for some of the CEPs in the zone that we're talking about, and a lot

981
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:36,200
of conversation about homes as the primary use was really the central focus of that.

982
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:47,320
And this is a really challenging needle to thread in an area that just has a lot going

983
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:57,260
on and I don't know that there is a singular way to clean it up and offer a change today

984
01:33:57,260 --> 01:34:02,820
that allows other properties to have a path forward.

985
01:34:03,980 --> 01:34:11,320
I think I'm also reminded that while the applicant and their proposed use and the work

986
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:16,860
that they do in our community is very compelling that it's a zoning change that applies to

987
01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:21,120
multiple properties and that would be before us and is not about the specific person in

988
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:28,420
front of us but is about the land use piece and so I, you know, I'm open to hearing

989
01:34:28,420 --> 01:34:33,980
discussion but for me I think maintaining the home as a primary use is still standing

990
01:34:33,980 --> 01:34:42,260
out for me with the work that we did previously here and most recently and in all the conversations

991
01:34:42,260 --> 01:34:43,900
about the neighborhood and what is happening there.

992
01:34:44,900 --> 01:34:46,320
Thank you, Mr. Proves.

993
01:34:47,220 --> 01:34:51,060
Thank you, like Natalie, I'm challenged by this.

994
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:56,740
I don't feel like that what we did back in June of 2022 is the final word at all.

995
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:05,460
I do agree with the perspective that home residents is a major part of this, but

996
01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:09,700
I'm not comfortable with either a yes or a no, frankly.

997
01:35:09,700 --> 01:35:17,160
And so I'm curious, just to help me think through this, if we were to deny this,

998
01:35:17,700 --> 01:35:24,280
and this is a question for Keith and our Chris, what are the options for the applicant?

999
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:34,140
And what are the realistic options for us to maybe do something from the county side?

1000
01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:43,060
Are they, is it a year-widen period or what's the, because I think with some continued

1001
01:35:43,060 --> 01:35:45,120
discussion, maybe I could get to yes.

1002
01:35:46,020 --> 01:35:52,380
I'm just not, I'm not really comfortable either place right now.

1003
01:35:56,460 --> 01:35:57,340
Kirsten, you're back, our planning director.

1004
01:35:57,660 --> 01:36:02,880
I believe it is a one-year-widen period off to verify that, but this board has identified

1005
01:36:04,180 --> 01:36:10,760
business park or zoning and legacy zoning as a topic to be taken up.

1006
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,080
It hasn't been risen to the top in terms of being the most important.

1007
01:36:14,700 --> 01:36:19,080
My recommendation, if this is something that this board would like us to look at, is to

1008
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:20,140
look at it more holistically.

1009
01:36:20,740 --> 01:36:24,220
There may be other locations within the community that could accommodate this type of use.

1010
01:36:24,860 --> 01:36:27,320
Maybe it's in Hogg Island, maybe it's someplace else.

1011
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,660
We would take a more holistic approach to this.

1012
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:38,060
We would mail notice to all of the property owners within whatever zone or something

1013
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:38,620
was changing.

1014
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,920
We would engage with the community like we did several years ago for the workforce

1015
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:49,040
home business rezoning and have a lot of meetings and have some discussions and have back and

1016
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:49,360
forth.

1017
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:55,160
That process is a little bit different than an applicant submitted application where we're

1018
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,640
required to send notice to certain folks.

1019
01:36:58,140 --> 01:37:01,540
But the public engagement process is different.

1020
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,960
And so I think a more holistic approach would be to look at

1021
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,400
this location and look at potentially other locations

1022
01:37:09,090 --> 01:37:10,540
that could accommodate this need.

1023
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,100
Mr. Chair, the other question that weighs on me in any moment,

1024
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,680
I might ask you for help is water quality.

1025
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:25,020
And we have this application in front of us today at the same time

1026
01:37:25,020 --> 01:37:30,680
that we're not that far out thinking about water quality in that general neighborhood.

1027
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:36,280
I don't know what my question is, I mean, but I'm just curious if you have any thoughts on

1028
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:46,280
with the potential extension or potential addition to the municipal waste water treatment system

1029
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:51,160
in this neighborhood, if there's a way that we could actually improve water quality with

1030
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:55,020
There's a slower look than we would do if we approved this today.

1031
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,920
I know that's not a very articulate question, and I apologize for that.

1032
01:38:00,980 --> 01:38:06,580
Amy Grammage, County Engineer, certainly there will be, I think you're referring to the

1033
01:38:06,580 --> 01:38:10,540
Munger Mountain sewer addition that the county is considering.

1034
01:38:11,660 --> 01:38:20,700
That larger question of how that will induce or not development in that area is a big

1035
01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:31,940
question and I think that in general that I'm struggling a little bit because there's

1036
01:38:31,940 --> 01:38:32,580
not a question there.

1037
01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:33,360
Welcome to the call.

1038
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:39,400
I think that you will have to address that in the near future as this monger mountain

1039
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,640
sewer comes through the process which will be in the next few months.

1040
01:38:42,860 --> 01:38:44,440
It certainly changes the calculation.

1041
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:50,800
And you know for this particular application I don't see a direct correlation of a real

1042
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:56,580
issue connecting to sewer, for example. I think that can easily be handled eventually

1043
01:38:56,580 --> 01:39:05,460
in this area. But I do agree with what Mr. Hogan said about through a conditionally

1044
01:39:05,460 --> 01:39:10,920
use process, you could absolutely deal with the individual concerns on a specific site

1045
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:18,340
related to water quality. And you'll probably continue to see that as this whole neighborhood

1046
01:39:18,340 --> 01:39:27,340
Your hood comes through process in different applications where each site is different and will propose different types of uses related to water quality.

1047
01:39:28,340 --> 01:39:32,030
Thank you, Mr. Carman.

1048
01:39:32,570 --> 01:39:33,610
Mr. Vice Chair, thanks.

1049
01:39:35,190 --> 01:39:46,990
I would love some guidance from our professional staff about the status of the Richline Enterprise.

1050
01:39:46,990 --> 01:39:53,770
Otherwise, if we say no to this at this time, they're using the property now.

1051
01:39:54,610 --> 01:39:58,630
Is there a need for some compliance, some enforcement?

1052
01:39:59,310 --> 01:40:01,690
Does this upset their use?

1053
01:40:01,890 --> 01:40:10,690
And I also want to say I'm really grateful for Commissioner Macker's observation that we're talking about an LDR change that applies more broadly than this location.

1054
01:40:10,690 --> 01:40:18,930
but I'm also thinking small and particular about, you know, business, valuable use in a particular location.

1055
01:40:19,670 --> 01:40:21,930
If we say no now, what happens to that?

1056
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:29,560
Mr. Newbecker, planning director, this site was subject to a code enforcement case.

1057
01:40:30,940 --> 01:40:36,520
The applicant started to use the site without permission and violation of the LDRs.

1058
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:40,640
We submitted a, you know, contact with them issued a notice of violation.

1059
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:46,720
They did agree to remove the heavy equipment from the property.

1060
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:53,120
My understanding at the time was that there were some rocks or some other materials that were stored on the property.

1061
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:59,300
And we are waiting resolution of this application, and I'm not sure if the material is still on there.

1062
01:40:59,380 --> 01:41:06,020
But my understanding is that the heavy equipment has been removed from the property and is no longer on the property today.

1063
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:13,000
So the business could continue the way it's currently being run, is that right?

1064
01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:18,400
Wherever those vehicles are being operated, assuming it's someplace in the county that meets violence.

1065
01:41:18,420 --> 01:41:22,240
As far as you know, it's the business proposition belongs to Mr. Hogan, of course.

1066
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:30,400
And Mr. Chair, I'd be grateful to hear from Mr. Hogan.

1067
01:41:31,620 --> 01:41:33,900
I'm sorry, I didn't hear the question.

1068
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:41,180
I didn't really raise one, it was just directly to you, but it's, you know, what happens if we say no to your business?

1069
01:41:41,180 --> 01:41:46,540
Can you continue to provide valuable services as you do in Teton County?

1070
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:48,400
Or is this-

1071
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,300
I'm probably not going to fight it anymore.

1072
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,780
I'm kind of done being a salmon swimming upstream.

1073
01:41:54,980 --> 01:41:56,880
One more than likely down size.

1074
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:01,600
My contract for winter plowing with the county, except for the parking lots, ends this year.

1075
01:42:02,380 --> 01:42:10,880
We'll probably not renew those just because that's about five pieces of equipment that have to sit somewhere.

1076
01:42:11,540 --> 01:42:14,880
Because I don't use snow plows in the summer and vice versa.

1077
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:17,480
So I have to have a place to put them.

1078
01:42:17,480 --> 01:42:19,100
We currently have no equipment down there.

1079
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:28,500
We have a stock problem material that was supposed to be spread on the property because it was under the 12,000 square feet of a conditional use permit to get some gravel down.

1080
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:34,280
We just stopped placing it, but it was under the 12,000 square feet require.

1081
01:42:35,820 --> 01:42:44,700
But yeah, well probably I'm just, it's too expensive to try to operate on a pay, the place that we're on right now.

1082
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:52,140
And like when we look at the only other place that was even feasible was Mike's welding and I think it sold for six and a half million.

1083
01:42:52,440 --> 01:43:01,360
We looked at the deer drive property that I think it sold for eight million or something that you can't, the numbers don't work for a construction company.

1084
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:07,960
they just they simply don't work and like I know fish creek are two biggest

1085
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:11,860
competitors fish creek in Westwood both are not on property they own either

1086
01:43:11,860 --> 01:43:18,600
they're up against the same problem we're up against you know and so it's

1087
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:25,020
it's it's wearing me out a little bit and it's it's expensive to keep to keep

1088
01:43:25,020 --> 01:43:26,280
Those two employed over there.

1089
01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:30,760
So, any of my answer to your question, Mr.

1090
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:31,640
He did, thank you.

1091
01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:36,700
And I'm grateful to you and to the Vice Chair for allowing this procedure.

1092
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:48,510
I guess all the way in, I was a little at sea for a moment to realize I wasn't here for the August 16th meeting.

1093
01:43:48,510 --> 01:44:00,810
and so I am a resident game creek and we recently lost our plowers at its construction

1094
01:44:00,810 --> 01:44:07,590
so they will no longer plow up where we live and we are struggling to find plows to plow

1095
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:15,230
roads and so it strikes me that here we are.

1096
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:22,130
I'm reminded of really one of the first hard decisions I had to make as a commissioner

1097
01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:32,070
with the property just north of the melody entrance and really a lot of the same

1098
01:44:33,490 --> 01:44:39,250
consternation that we had as commissioners for that project we're having again here.

1099
01:44:39,250 --> 01:44:49,270
and that is that we have needs as any mountain community would for a light

1100
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:58,770
industrial, local light industrial and as a decision-maker it's hard to say

1101
01:44:58,770 --> 01:44:59,890
Okay, yeah, that's well.

1102
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,120
Well, this is where we're going to put it. We've got to put it somewhere, and this is where we're going to put it. That's always a hard thing to say. I think that I'm trying to understand the nuances of the primary residence issue. I appreciate Miss Eastman's comments that when the owner is on site, it makes a huge difference. I also appreciate the applicants comments.

1103
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:33,440
that if it's my work, that's where I am, whether you live there or not.

1104
01:45:33,780 --> 01:45:44,800
So I appreciate that logic that speaks to another business from one business owner to another, I understand that.

1105
01:45:47,980 --> 01:45:57,080
I also have been one commissioner who has repeatedly when we're talking about long range planning,

1106
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,920
that we prioritize these legacy zones.

1107
01:46:00,740 --> 01:46:05,420
I said during that meeting three years ago,

1108
01:46:06,020 --> 01:46:08,760
I don't want to ever face another decision as a commissioner

1109
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:13,620
on how to resolve legacy zones, particularly.

1110
01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:21,080
And so I appreciate Director Newbacker's thoughts

1111
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:26,880
around prioritizing what are we doing with legacy zones?

1112
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:33,960
And it's exactly for this reason because what we find is that those legacy zones are being

1113
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:38,440
stretched to accommodate light and even heavy industry.

1114
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:48,000
And I think it's easy to say, well, we don't like heavy industry, it's in some city it

1115
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:48,480
pollutes.

1116
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:56,260
You know, it's kind of got this sense attached to it, but if you want to drive your roads

1117
01:46:56,260 --> 01:46:59,040
in the winter, you better have some industry around.

1118
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:07,580
Otherwise, we're going to be contracting out of Pindale, out of Alpine, and do we really

1119
01:47:07,580 --> 01:47:12,780
want to have to contract, those contracts should be local.

1120
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:29,340
Not out of some nostalgic reason, but because we need plows locally, when two feet of snow falls at three o'clock in the afternoon, so that for me I can get up my road in Game Creek.

1121
01:47:32,540 --> 01:47:58,300
So I really appreciate the creativity of bringing this forward as an application as opposed to winding our way through and I appreciate Director Newbecker bringing up if we were to do this in a more from a county standpoint for you to bring this forward from as an LDR update.

1122
01:47:58,300 --> 01:48:01,240
That's going to take a lot of time. That's going to take a lot of energy.

1123
01:48:03,820 --> 01:48:14,700
And so I'm inclined to vote for the motion today. I understand that I'm fighting a strong

1124
01:48:14,700 --> 01:48:25,140
headwind. I appreciate the language around water quality. I'm a little concerned about how

1125
01:48:25,140 --> 01:48:27,440
How we, I'll just read it.

1126
01:48:27,580 --> 01:48:31,080
As part of the conditional use permit application, the applicant shall demonstrate the use will

1127
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:35,080
not decrease water quality through measures such as best practices for storm water management,

1128
01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:38,520
so storage, material storage and sewer connection is practical.

1129
01:48:40,340 --> 01:48:44,620
Not that I reread it is pretty specific and yeah,

1130
01:48:46,860 --> 01:48:49,340
I mean, I feel like I'm coming into this

1131
01:48:53,570 --> 01:48:54,370
in the middle.

1132
01:48:54,370 --> 01:49:11,050
But nonetheless, I recognize that this is trying to accomplish a change that's needed for this community.

1133
01:49:12,350 --> 01:49:18,090
I appreciate Mr. Schreiber's concerns about property tax.

1134
01:49:18,770 --> 01:49:19,610
I think you're right.

1135
01:49:19,610 --> 01:49:23,050
Right, these properties are going to become more valuable.

1136
01:49:23,790 --> 01:49:29,590
The applicant just spoke to the costs of similar properties, $68 million.

1137
01:49:31,650 --> 01:49:34,610
That's likely to happen here too, so I really am torn.

1138
01:49:34,730 --> 01:49:38,050
You're seeing me work through this in real time, right in front of you.

1139
01:49:38,190 --> 01:49:46,530
That's not, I like to have these kind of things wrapped up before I start speaking, but I really am torn and I don't think I'm alone in this.

1140
01:49:46,530 --> 01:49:52,630
So I would look to my colleagues for what, how do we want to deal with this, any thoughts?

1141
01:49:54,130 --> 01:49:57,650
I have one further question before a voting thought.

1142
01:49:58,930 --> 01:50:04,010
If we were to adopt this, we'd be setting up a conditional use permit process, is that correct, Chris?

1143
01:50:05,690 --> 01:50:14,070
Well, that's correct, I mean, there is a conditional use process already identified in the code, but this would set some of the standards for what we would be looking for in that review.

1144
01:50:14,990 --> 01:50:24,770
What would it take within this application to make one of the requirements that the owner of the company live

1145
01:50:24,770 --> 01:50:31,930
on site? We've had a compelling case for that today. And does that defeat the whole purpose of this LDR

1146
01:50:31,930 --> 01:50:38,370
amendment to insist that the owner live on site? Or can we tweak it so that that's included? And we don't

1147
01:50:38,370 --> 01:50:46,070
to rely on a CUP process, a seriatim one after another, to raise that question.

1148
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:50,450
I want to now scale back up to where Commissioner Macker was directing my thinking.

1149
01:50:51,110 --> 01:50:55,630
Well, the answer is you would write that as one of the standards that the owner shall live on site.

1150
01:50:55,750 --> 01:51:00,390
Now, the question then becomes what's an owner when you're talking about a corporation, an LLC, et cetera, et cetera.

1151
01:51:10,490 --> 01:51:20,630
Just the same trouble for all of you and my colleagues, for me, real time deliberations on this.

1152
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:32,070
I would like to have a stronger, more refined application that addresses this question before us.

1153
01:51:32,190 --> 01:51:39,610
I would prefer if our County Planning Commission could work through this kind of stuff instead of having four county commissioners who are less expert in this.

1154
01:51:39,610 --> 01:51:44,230
than we want our planning commissioners to be, but we didn't go that route.

1155
01:51:44,690 --> 01:51:52,470
I also appreciate that applicants can't pay these two guys forever to advance their proposals.

1156
01:51:52,770 --> 01:51:59,950
But I think we're close, the primary residency case is important to me.

1157
01:52:00,030 --> 01:52:03,330
And if we can include that, then I'd want to say yes.

1158
01:52:03,610 --> 01:52:04,870
Commissioner Probe, the chair has his hand up.

1159
01:52:04,870 --> 01:52:23,030
I think in my six years on the commission that this four of us with the Chair absent have never all collectively expressed, you know, challenged, thinking this through on the fly.

1160
01:52:24,370 --> 01:52:30,210
Could we, because of that, I'd like more time, frankly.

1161
01:52:30,810 --> 01:52:32,330
Can we continue this?

1162
01:52:33,370 --> 01:52:38,070
I'm not asking you, should we, but could we continue it or do we need the approval

1163
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:39,090
from the applicant?

1164
01:52:39,890 --> 01:52:40,990
What's the story there?

1165
01:52:41,730 --> 01:52:43,790
You don't need approval from the applicant to continue.

1166
01:52:45,210 --> 01:52:49,330
Another option is you could either, if you agree on what the language would be,

1167
01:52:49,410 --> 01:52:53,170
for example, the applicant or their owner shall live on site, if we can craft that.

1168
01:52:54,110 --> 01:52:56,710
I just respond to that, I don't like doing that.

1169
01:52:56,710 --> 01:53:00,250
I would much rather take a few weeks and in the other option.

1170
01:53:02,230 --> 01:53:06,770
The other option, the commissioner approach would be if you really want this to go back to the planning

1171
01:53:06,770 --> 01:53:10,710
commission, you could remand the application, you could go back to the planning commission.

1172
01:53:11,010 --> 01:53:19,210
But if you think you're close, this board could either make a recommendation today with a change to the text or you could continue it.

1173
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:22,550
I'd like the idea of remanding it to the planning commission.

1174
01:53:22,750 --> 01:53:24,050
I'd like to hear their thoughts on it.

1175
01:53:24,050 --> 01:53:30,690
But I'd like to have more time for us to think through some options and maybe noodle on some different ways of dealing with it.

1176
01:53:32,150 --> 01:53:33,850
That's where I would probably come down.

1177
01:53:33,970 --> 01:53:39,070
But again, I'm challenged by this as usual term that Commissioner Mack are used.

1178
01:53:40,570 --> 01:53:49,030
I'd like to give in that there have been somewhat significant change.

1179
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:53,410
I understand that the Planning Commission offered denial.

1180
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:59,930
It came to this board, my understanding is it came to this board, and then there were questions,

1181
01:54:00,570 --> 01:54:07,330
there were changes brought forward by staff, and because the Planning Commission

1182
01:54:09,250 --> 01:54:16,870
denied the application, it didn't go back to the planning application process, or the Planning Commission process.

1183
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:24,830
I think the changes are substantive enough, and they're causing consternation for this board.

1184
01:54:25,530 --> 01:54:38,870
And I think that's reason enough to remand it to the Planning Commission in order to get their sense of the changes.

1185
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:42,410
The other commissioners, share that.

1186
01:54:43,450 --> 01:54:44,290
I do.

1187
01:54:45,730 --> 01:54:45,870
I do.

1188
01:54:48,990 --> 01:54:53,990
I don't necessarily need that, but I don't mind asking the Planning Commission.

1189
01:54:54,690 --> 01:54:56,310
I'm not going to oppose it going there.

1190
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:58,070
Okay, Dr. Newbecker.

1191
01:54:58,290 --> 01:54:58,830
Yes, thank you.

1192
01:54:59,190 --> 01:55:03,430
I will just point out that the issues that the Planning Commission discussed were more focused

1193
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:07,970
on the goals of the comprehensive plan, the goals for this community, the language and

1194
01:55:07,970 --> 01:55:09,950
the comprehensive plan that advised against this.

1195
01:55:10,290 --> 01:55:14,330
It wasn't necessarily about the detailed language of how can we make this work.

1196
01:55:15,230 --> 01:55:20,450
Some of the changes that we've made today are clarifications, but substantially

1197
01:55:20,450 --> 01:55:21,950
the exact same application.

1198
01:55:22,690 --> 01:55:25,310
In my professional opinion, I don't think you're going to get a substantial

1199
01:55:25,310 --> 01:55:29,810
difference out of the planning commission, but it's certainly your right to remand

1200
01:55:29,810 --> 01:55:31,430
it if that's what the board wants to see.

1201
01:55:31,590 --> 01:55:37,030
I could see remand in it with a request for them to dig a little deeper into the specifics

1202
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:40,890
instead of just floating at the consistency with the comp plan.

1203
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:44,230
I'm trying to think of how to make a motion to that effect.

1204
01:55:44,570 --> 01:55:51,770
Maybe I just did, but no, that wasn't a motion, but it's, and it strikes, sorry, Commissioner.

1205
01:55:51,950 --> 01:56:04,930
It strikes me that the comp plan also in 62D does suggest that this is the place for

1206
01:56:04,930 --> 01:56:08,110
or a light industry, so or a place.

1207
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:12,050
So keeping that in mind, was there any discussion

1208
01:56:12,050 --> 01:56:13,570
of that at the Planning Commission?

1209
01:56:16,700 --> 01:56:20,660
I'll have to take a look at 62D, but they were very much focused

1210
01:56:20,660 --> 01:56:24,880
on character area 7.2 hog island business,

1211
01:56:25,020 --> 01:56:27,920
which specifically says this area is a stable area.

1212
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:29,260
It's a residential area.

1213
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:33,680
It does recognize some existing uses such as the state highway

1214
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:42,300
and the existing gravel operation, but the intent was not to transition into a business

1215
01:56:42,300 --> 01:56:49,220
park type of situation. They talked about the idea that three years ago, this board directed

1216
01:56:49,220 --> 01:56:54,660
staff to look at Hog Island and that we had significant public community engagement. And

1217
01:56:54,660 --> 01:56:58,680
based upon that, we adopted the regulations that are written today.

1218
01:57:01,180 --> 01:57:02,000
I believe that the applicant

1219
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:07,600
Again, brought up policy 6-2 in terms of the need for these types of services within the community.

1220
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:13,460
But at the time we were saying, well, if that's the need, then we should look at legacy zoning and

1221
01:57:13,460 --> 01:57:19,480
look at this more comprehensively, rather than just being responsive to a property owner submitting an application.

1222
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:21,260
This would run.

1223
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:25,920
Commissioner Gardner, I just wanted to chime in and add some context as well.

1224
01:57:26,260 --> 01:57:30,600
And the comp plan where it describes that this could be a location for light industry.

1225
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:39,240
The area in the comp plan that talks about this area really emphasizes that any the businesses

1226
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:46,640
are in vision there, but very much as accessory to residential use, that's very emphasized

1227
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:50,720
that this is supposed to be primarily residential, that the residential character should remain.

1228
01:57:51,980 --> 01:58:00,840
And I also want to note that the applicant or the application you're considering today, I just

1229
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:08,360
heavy industry, and the applicant's business specifically is more in alignment with heavy

1230
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:08,900
industry.

1231
01:58:09,980 --> 01:58:13,860
I just wanted to point that out, though the complaint mentions that light industry

1232
01:58:13,860 --> 01:58:18,940
could maybe be appropriate, that heavy industry is different and more intense.

1233
01:58:19,780 --> 01:58:20,240
Great.

1234
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:20,780
Thank you.

1235
01:58:22,060 --> 01:58:23,040
Mr. Probes.

1236
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:30,820
I'm going to take a stab at a motion, if I may, and certainly up into suggestions, I'm

1237
01:58:30,820 --> 01:58:37,480
with respect to this. I move to remand this item to the Planning Commission with a request

1238
01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:44,640
for them to provide guidance on one, the proposed amendments that have been received

1239
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:57,180
since their recommendation to potential CUP conditions, three water issues, four history

1240
01:58:57,180 --> 01:59:05,640
of compliance in the area, five alternatives for owners, for owner living on site,

1241
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:09,760
and six consistency with the comp plan.

1242
01:59:16,690 --> 01:59:17,950
That's what I was writing that down.

1243
01:59:19,230 --> 01:59:23,510
Second, and I'd like to offer an amendment to the motion.

1244
01:59:24,090 --> 01:59:25,270
I'll certainly entertain an amendment.

1245
01:59:25,730 --> 01:59:25,950
Thank you.

1246
01:59:27,670 --> 01:59:32,070
With further direction to the planning commission to address the,

1247
01:59:34,250 --> 01:59:50,890
Spatial limitations set forth in Romanet 2, paragraph 1 on, I don't know if you have the page number on this, sorry, part E, conditionally uses subpart C,

1248
01:59:53,860 --> 01:59:58,160
Romanet 2, part 1, the refers to

1249
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:15,560
At a minimum, be partially within 200 feet, for the point, more than 500 feet, for the planning commission to address the use of the word partially, and the distances of 200 and 500 feet.

1250
02:00:18,500 --> 02:00:27,820
Next, that they give attention to the hours of operation and consider limiting them to 730 AM to 930 PM.

1251
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:33,020
And last,

1252
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:46,620
to consider removing from paragraph seven, the first proposed sentence, all heavy equipment shall be stored in a fully enclosed structure.

1253
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:53,280
All right, we have a motion from Commissioner Probe.

1254
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:54,180
Do you accept the amendments?

1255
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:59,360
I accept the amendments with just the side comment that we are given the planning commission from homework to do.

1256
02:01:00,260 --> 02:01:02,360
Okay, I have a motion from Commissioner Probe.

1257
02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:04,900
It's a second from Commissioner Carlman.

1258
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:07,640
Mr. Vice Chair.

1259
02:01:08,420 --> 02:01:12,160
I would ask maybe that in the original motion,

1260
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:13,300
I think it was number four,

1261
02:01:13,740 --> 02:01:16,600
that whichever one was addressing compliance issues,

1262
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:18,500
I'm concerned that I don't know,

1263
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:20,640
we're asking the planning commission to do on that,

1264
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:23,660
and that maybe that one gets removed.

1265
02:01:24,660 --> 02:01:26,120
That one was the one that I was,

1266
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:28,840
and I'm happy to remove it.

1267
02:01:29,220 --> 02:01:29,560
Thank you.

1268
02:01:31,540 --> 02:01:44,160
I'm glad to have that removed, I think that would have sort of escalated this particular question into a larger land use puzzle that we're not really set to finish.

1269
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:49,540
It's a, we're at a 500 piece puzzle problem right now, and that's a 2,000 piece.

1270
02:01:49,860 --> 02:01:50,540
I accept that.

1271
02:01:51,500 --> 02:01:57,640
Thank you, I had the same concern, any other discussion on this item.

1272
02:02:00,790 --> 02:02:04,610
Okay, we have a motion by Commissioner Proves, the second by Commissioner Carman.

1273
02:02:04,850 --> 02:02:06,110
All those in favor, please say aye.

1274
02:02:06,730 --> 02:02:06,870
Aye.

1275
02:02:07,710 --> 02:02:08,250
All those opposed?

1276
02:02:09,090 --> 02:02:10,250
Motion carries unanimously.

1277
02:02:12,290 --> 02:02:19,390
Thank you for slogging through that with me, and do I have a motion to adjourn?

1278
02:02:19,830 --> 02:02:20,890
Move to adjourn.

1279
02:02:20,890 --> 02:02:27,570
Second motion by Commissioner Macker second by Commissioner Carlman to adjourn all those in favor please say aye