Missioner powers had some illness, it was in the hospital and I don't know if he may be able, maybe he may be able to, okay.
Okay.
Everybody online, if you can hear me, if you're here to speak it open mic, if you could raise the little hand icon and I'm going to try to do keep it in order.
Okay, both commissions are here, we're going to call the meeting to order and it is December 8th and this is a regular commissioners meeting.
If you would first stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance.
Attention, item 13.1 has been postponed, item let's see 13.7, this was posted incorrectly, well not incorrectly, it was posted online as such it didn't make the written one that was posted.
So because of that, so there's no confusion that we are going to not hear this today and move it to a following agenda.
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Does that help? Okay, thank you.
13.2.
13.2 is an action item for an offspring landing subdivision final plot as we've looked through our records we haven't.
We haven't seen that we've even heard that yet, so there is really no reason for a.
Wait, I'm sorry, on this agenda, it says it's a action item for the final plot on another on another one, it says it's a request for an extension.
So because of the confusion and because there's no terrible big rush on this, we're going to repost that one for a future meeting also I hope that doesn't inconvenience anybody too terribly bad, but.
With history and everything when there's conflicts on the agenda, I want to be sure we're done things right so there's no ones.
I've been missing.
The last thing I want to change on the agenda is because there's so much.
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Here, we want to hear.
The thing from the sheriff's department and legal on the.
Coffee in that we're going to move that up to the front of the agenda.
Let the prosecution and the sheriff's department if they want to make their presentation.
So you can understand it better and then we'll have the public comment and I think that's the wisest thing to do so with that said.
Is there a motion to adopt the agenda.
Okay, all second that if it's it's been moving second all in favor.
I.
Okay, motion carries.
All right, then the next item will be right quickly is the consent agenda.
There's a claim reports and payroll forms, certificates or residency.
And liquor license approval for T Tom Valley balloon rally.
If everyone's had a chance to look at these are there any questions.
On the consent agenda.
Okay.
Commissioner James, just so you know you are muted right now.
Okay.
There is.
If there's no questions on the consent agenda, I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda.
Okay, moving second any further discussion.
No, I'm good.
Okay, all in favor, aye.
Aye.
All right, so that's something.
Okay.
You're you're you're live.
Okay, give me a minute.
Commissioner powers on board.
Yes. Okay.
If you want out of battery, I think we're okay.
Commissioner James.
Okay.
If you keep I will.
Go charge your phone.
All right.
All right, where are we at?
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Yeah, 12 point one is the best.
Thank you.
So let's move to item 12.1, which is.
The delinquents juvenile ordinance 25, 2025,
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We are doing public.
We're going to do it after they've had their presentation.
So you can you can hear from them before you make your public comments.
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Okay, no, but we will, we will have public right after this.
So.
Go ahead, Bailey.
We're both again.
Yes, that's fine.
I do want to say it's been brought to my attention.
It's been brought to this is a Bailey Smith ordinance.
Just just just just in fairness.
This is.
I'm just learning as much about it.
I saw for the first time on Saturday.
So this has been a collaborative thing between the sheriff's department and the prosecution.
It wasn't one person who decided to write it.
It was a need that came up.
And so with that said, I'm going to give them the opportunity to explain where their where their basis came from.
Thank you, Brad can get here.
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I hear you, but I don't know if they online does.
Yeah, I can hear you, but not great.
Okay.
Well, they're doing that.
I will say that.
Dan Ray is on vacation also.
So we're we're living along and I apologize for the confusion of the agenda.
And we have people doing it.
We don't normally do it trying to collaborate and get it done.
But we'll get through it and we'll do the best we can.
Awesome.
Well, feel free to stop me if anyone's having trouble hearing.
But we're here today because this is the first real opportunity to discuss the proposed juvenile ordinances with you all.
And we want to give you an overview of how they came about.
Why why we think that they're needed.
And how things would work if they are adopted.
We actually already have a couple of proposed tweaks.
And would encourage people including the the board to consider this an opportunity for discussion and input.
Not, you know, this is the more more the beginning than the end of the process.
And rather I just wanted to make clear that rather you might be wondering why I put this on your agenda for discussion rather than.
Speaking with each of the commissioners individually before and is sometimes we do.
And the reason for that is this is as I imagined is something that people might care greatly about.
And we thought that it was important to be as transparent as possible and to do this in a public meeting so that the public in here, you know, kind of in real time when when you all are hearing.
And it can be a very open process.
So I'm sure that you the commissioners will have questions and we want to hear those and we want to allow you to allow you time to discuss and want to allow you time to take public comment.
But we have prepared a brief overview of some things that I think are going to address a lot of your questions and concerns.
And I know that they're going to address some of the confusion that I know has been circulating so let me just give you a quick roadmap of what I'd like to go over.
I'd like to clarify a few misconceptions that I understand are circulating.
I'd like to give a little bit of an explanation as to how the draft language came about.
I'd like to go through a couple of examples of recurring situations that the ordinances are meant to address.
I'll go into a little more depth on the curfew ordinance as opposed to the other two because that seems to be the source of most confusion and angst.
And then after I'm done, I will pass the mic along this way to let Sheriff Flimo and deputy prosecutor Godbury Godbury say some things that are important.
They're going to touch on things like law enforcement priorities and use of time, officer discretion, prosecutorial discretion and the ability to decline.
Charges and what safeguards are in place to basically help people understand, you know, all the ways that we can be confident that this is going to be used in a good, helpful, proactive way rather than a detrimental to the community.
Okay, so let me start with clarifying some of the misconceptions.
Let me start with the elephant in the room that seems to be the biggest misconception of all.
None of the three draft ordinances, the runaway, young control of parents or curfew provisions authorize arrest of any sort.
I understand that that is not obvious to those of you who are not, you know, very well acquainted with the intricacies of juvenile law, so I will just repeat it again to be clear.
None of the three ordinances authorize arrest, not as kids, not of parents and no one in law enforcement or the prosecutor's office has any desire or intent to make arrest based on these things.
The curfew ordinance is not even criminal, it is civil, so even in a situation where a violation notice would be issued and we'll touch on this later, but we expect that they would be quite rare.
The maximum possible or anification would be a ticket, not an arrest or jail or anything like that.
So again, no arrests.
Lastly, and I'll let the sheriff do most of the talking on this, but just know upfront that none of, you know,
Enforcement and prosecution of these things is by no means a law enforcement or prosecution priority in the sense that officers aren't going to be sent out to looking for these things.
There are tools that we expect would be used rarely to deal with rare but difficult and serious situations that occasionally come up from time to time.
And to be clear, these kinds of situations, and I'll give you a couple of examples of their situations that law enforcement is already getting called out to deal with, so it's not like this is proposing them going out to address situations they haven't already been addressing it's quite the opposite is actually giving them a better tool to deal with the situation they're already out addressing and just not very well equipped to handle.
So I'll go into the curfew ordinance and more depth, but one of the main.
Benefits of it, is it gives officers the ability to address problematic situations that, you know, from their experience, they can see or quickly devolving into something that has the potential to be criminal that, you know, if something isn't done it, kids are going to be involved in a criminal offense, it gives them the ability to address that as an infraction and is sort of preventative manner before the situation develops into actual criminal conduct that they have to handle as such as crimes.
If it do involve, you know, or can involve being taken into custody, et cetera.
And lastly, I don't need to give you an encyclopedia on how juvenile matters work, but just for the sake of clarity, juvenile court is very different than adult court.
It's not a big public proceeding. They are private, confidential. It's better thought of as, you know, almost a meeting between the judge, the prosecutor, the kid, and the parents.
So just for reference, even the misdemeanor ordinances, the runaway and beyond the control of parent, don't result in kids getting hauled into adult criminal court or traffic court even or anything like that.
So next, in terms of how the proposed language came about, the discussion first began because a couple of months ago this Supreme Court issued new guidance to the courts.
The determined that the state statute regarding juvenile status offenses and for reference that's Idaho code 2516.
That's the one that covers runaway, around the control of parent and curfew violations is merely an enabling statute that allows counties to pass their own ordinances.
But that prosecutors can no longer charge directly under the state statute as had been a common practice historically.
In many, many counties in Idaho, not just T-thon.
But so as such, when that guidance came out, the prosecutors' office can no longer charge things that we have historically had the ability to charge directly under state code.
And so that's where we started looking at, okay, well, it's real easy to just say let's duplicate what we had to maintain the status quo.
And for reference, the runaway and beyond the control of parents, that's really what those two proposed ordinances do is they maintain the status quo, they maintain the law enforcement, the same law enforcement and prosecution capabilities that have long long existed.
It's just now would now be codified under county code rather than a state code.
And then, but when we were talking about it, well, while we're putting this in front of the commissioners, let's think critically about this.
And there are some situations that are difficult that law enforcement doesn't have great capabilities to deal with.
So let's let's put this all before the board at the same time, so they can consider, consider whether they want to do a curfew.
And everyone can talk about the, here's the benefits, here's the drawbacks and let's discuss it all at the same time.
So yeah, as I think you actually even already pointed out, this was a collaborative process between the prosecutor's office and law enforcement.
And now what we want it to be a collaborative process, you know, involving the board and the public.
So that's how we ended up here and that's where we are today.
I'm not going to spend a great deal of time going over the first two, the runaway or beyond the control of parent ordinances.
As I said, just before these are, these are things that are all historically had long been charged under state code, so that it's not really a change in terms of what law enforcement or prosecution would be doing.
These things don't get used all that often, but I do want to be clear they do get used and when they get used it's almost always at the request of parents who will call in to law enforcement and ask for assistance with a situation with their kid.
Okay, so let me just jump into the curfew ordinance, I understand there's a good deal of confusion and concern about it.
So as I said, this is the curfew ordinance is proposed as one way to deal with a couple of such situations.
People may or may not be aware, but it's, it would be new to take on county, but it's not novel in the sense that many, many cities and a number of counties have curfew, so it's not something that we made up.
And the draft language that we have, we actually arrived at by collecting, you know, the ordinances that are on the books and other jurisdictions and Idaho and looking at them and seeing, you know, what's clear, what's confusing, what's enforceable and basically combining the best versions of the language with some safeguard language into what's the proposed draft.
I know one of the concerns are, you know, how do we know that, you know, that isn't going to be abused, that it's, you know, law enforcement isn't going to write 300 curfew tickets a night, you know, if, I don't know, because the KN, if their situation arises.
And I mean, I think one of the, my first gut reactions is, well, I'll, I'll let's share talk about that.
That's my first reaction, but, but beyond that, it's important to point out that they're common in other cities and they're not a hot topic because they aren't being widely abused.
You don't, you know, you're not hearing people city goers up and arms because the bunch of kids are being ticketed and when their parents don't appreciate it. It's, it's not being widely abused and that's a good sign.
I think there's also some confusion because I think a lot of people have heard about the, the general proposal without actually seeing the language and the language itself.
Well, if you read past the first sentence or two anyways, clarifies that there's a whole lot of carve outs for behavior that no one has any interest in the curfew applying to carve outs for things that no one wants to meddle in basically.
So for example, if you read all the way through the language, the rule wouldn't be that, you know, kids are prohibited from being out after midnight.
The rule is, you know, that they are would be prohibited from being out without parental permission or supervision largely in situations that are going to be dangerous or harmful.
So, for example, the individual carve outs that are already in the proposed language are, you know, any juvenile accompanied by a parent or other adult, chaperone, you know, totally fine.
Kids on any private property, totally fine. Kids coming or going from any school event, totally fine. Kids going somewhere because their parents told them to or gave them permission to totally fine.
Kids going to and from work. These are all carve outs for things that would very clearly not be what this is intended to target.
And I actually have two additional safeguards that I'd like to pose now for your consideration. One is a carve out for any juvenile leaving a home to escape a abusive or in any way dangerous situation.
Like, if you have a kid who, you know, smells a gas leak and runs out of their house and is in the street at 2 a.m., officers are obviously not going to cite them. The curfew violation and, you know, that would seem obvious to officers, but, and I haven't, you know, I'm hitting the sheriff without notice on this one, but I would be almost certain they're going to support a carve out for that and, you know, no officers going to cite a kid that's, you know, escaping an abusive situation at home.
You know, the officers are going to be the safe even providing help, not saying, here's your ticket.
And I also think that it would be worth considering a mandatory warning provision because, frankly, I don't let the sheriff talk about this later, I think that the most common, by and large use of the curfew ordinance would be, to issue warnings. It would give the officers the ability to say, you know, I see this situation getting out of hand. I think this is getting dangerous.
You need to go home and it's, it's not just a suggestion, it's just not, it's not my personal view, you need to go home or this could be considered a curfew violation.
But I think a mandatory warning provision and again, I haven't discussed that with the sheriff, but I, I would suggest it be considered and I would imagine they would fully or at least support that too.
I said this before, but one key benefit of the curfew ordinance is that it gives law enforcement the ability to address a problematic situation before it becomes criminal, because, you know, of course officers can charge kids that they see committing crimes, that's obvious.
But they don't have a breed ability other than making polite suggestions to try to prevent situations that they clearly see going poorly before they actually turn criminal.
It also allows officers to tell parents who openly voiced that they don't care if their kids are in a dangerous or potentially criminal situation, which, you know, might strike people is like, what do you mean?
That actually comes up and it's sad and surprising and frankly, I wouldn't have, I would have had a hard time believing that that happened, that happens in a recurring manner, but there are parents that say whether out of frustration or just giving up with a problem kid that, I don't know where my kid is, it's, I don't care throughout a night, I don't care who they're with and I don't care what they're doing.
And that is a really difficult situation for law enforcement to deal with, because at that point, they're not a runaway, they're not out of control if their parents are saying they don't care, they're just out unsupervised and in a really vulnerable position.
So the chair will probably have more to add to this, but let me just give you two common situations that we see recurring here.
One, I think probably the most common, is a situation whether there's a group of juveniles playing night aims, which, you know, when done in an appropriate safe manner is awesome and great, good clean fun.
But there can be situations where it starts to get out of hand, like, for example, what starts as a game of, you know, chase or tag on foot turns into tag via automobiles chasing each other, driving recklessly, you know, kids hanging out windows, what have you.
Or, you know, running around and playing chase on private property or, like, one person's yard turns into spanning a whole neighborhood and you have kids hopping fences into neighboring properties, you know, scaring people, you know, homeowners that look out and don't know what's going on.
Occasionally damaging things, usually accidentally, but sometimes things get broken.
It's not hard to imagine a situation, you know, a homeowner doesn't know what's going on, sees people running around, wearing black and his backyard and comes out with a gun, you can see really quickly how it could become dangerous and unexpected and bad ways.
So, to be clear, the sheriff's office gets caught out frequently for things like that, but the problem is currently is they don't really have a great way to deal with it.
Like they show up in a neighborhood and see kids out and about in the street and they can encourage them to, you know, stay on one property, you know, go home would have you, but like they're just suggestions and kids know that kids are smart.
They, you know, thank you officer, but I'm going to continue doing whatever I was doing.
So, yeah, a lot of times in those situations the officers doesn't really have the ability to act until something criminal actually happens, so they will literally have to sit there and wait until there's, you know, they see kids trust passing, you know, they see the fence getting hopped or they see the cars driving recklessly and then you're in the criminal realm where kids are getting criminal charges.
And it would be beneficial from our perspective to give the officers a tool in situations such as that to tell kids, okay, this is getting out of hand, you need to go home and have a more than a suggestion.
The second situation.
And again, I think this is one that I would have had a hard time even realizing or believing exist before having a front row seat to see it happen.
Is it a 14, or 15 year old girl will leave home in the middle of the night to meet an older male for a romantic encounter, whether that beach.
She intends to have sex or she intends something less than that and the male might have other desires.
Sometimes it's the girls or sometimes it's a boy for that matter.
I'm just, I don't mean to generalize. I'm just giving, I had the medical sometimes.
Sometimes, you know, the the child that snuck out the parents don't know and you know if they knew would of course handle it.
But as I said before, sometimes the parents are aware and just for one reason or another don't deal with it.
So it's similarly to the officer that's, you know, encounters the group of kids.
If one of the provisions in the curfew ordinance authorizes, you know, at least if the extreme ends to issue a ticket to a parent who fails to, you know,
who permits basically who authorizes their kid to violate curfew.
And so this would give the officers the chief to have the conversation, the tough conversation with those parents to say,
you know, I know parenting's really tough and you might feel frustrated, but you can't just throw up your hands and say you're not going to try.
You have to care, you have to try because if not, there could be, you know, you could get a ticket for allowing your kid to, to violate curfew.
That way it's not just them pleading or suggesting to the parents that they try to help, you know, monitor where their kids are and keep them out of dangerous situations.
So I talked at you a lot. I think that covers most of the big pieces, but I'm going to pass them like this way on the table and let's share a speak and then deputy prosecutor Godfrey has a few things to say.
So then thank you. So thank you. The process here pretty much covered everything I was going to cover, but just a kind of reiterate, I could, when it came to us and asked us about this, the curfew, I was thinking about how it could be implemented. And the way I see it being most commonly used is one for night games. We get multiple calls every time they have them.
And as the night goes on, the behavior gets more reckless and we get calls of people running on top of cars in the beds of trucks, running stop signs, things like that.
And so as she said, we can shut that down before it gets to that point if it's past midnight and the kids are starting to get reckless. And it's not every time, but I would say almost every time we get calls that that happens when they do their night games.
The other instance I think it would be helpful is in preventing, she talked about the young juveniles that are meeting with older adults.
Right now, we don't really have anything we can do, say we pull over a car for a traffic violation. And there's a young female in the passenger seat with an adult male who's not her family member.
Unless there's something pretty obvious we can't really dig further without delaying the stop. But now that there's a curfew violation in place, potentially it gives us a sound opportunity to start asking questions and make sure the parents know who their child is with and what they're doing.
So that's where I see it becoming most pretty useful as well as in on those encounters. It's not like deputies are going out and looking for juveniles that are violating curfew.
It's either we're already called there from a parent or from a neighbor for an issue that's going on or we come across them in the course of some of their performance of our duties.
That's where I see it being most helpful is preventing those things from going further.
We have parents like she said that unfortunately don't don't care so much for whatever that reason is and if they're not reported this a runaway and they're not disobeying their parents or our hands are tied.
So we let them go knowing they're just going to keep going down and escalating their behavior potentially to where crimes can be committed and we're just letting it happen because there's nothing we can tell them like hey you need to go home or you'll receive a curfew violation.
So I don't think there's been people that have brought up that it could be abused and I guess potentially anything could be abused.
That's not what we see commonly in most of the apartments I've worked at they've had curfews for the cities there.
We're shoulder in several other cities in the area and mostly if ever I think there's been warnings if even those so it's it's not something we look at we're going to be using often but it's a nice tool to have when we come across those situations so.
Hi my name's Ryan Gottfried I'm a newly hired prosecutor and Teton County but as probably tell by my gray hair this isn't my first rodeo.
I have been a prosecutor now for 17 years and just newly hired here in Teton County.
I think maybe I can emphasize even stronger than than Bailey did this up until two months ago was state code this was part of the state code this was something that has been charged for my entire 17 year careers prosecutor and other counties.
Up until two months ago in the Supreme Court I was Supreme Court told us that this was only an enabling statute that only allowed.
Municipalities and counties to enact the statute did this become a problem that this become a concern because Teton County didn't have a statute didn't have a beyond parental control statute didn't have a runaway statute didn't have a curfew statute.
And so only two months ago has this become a concern we are no longer able to use state code.
And they make that clear we're no longer able to use state code for runaway beyond parental and curfew so there must and I'll say that as strong as I can there must be a county code for beyond parental control and runway.
Up to you whether you enforce or enact a curfew statute.
Let me also say that this is a tool that law enforcement needs.
They need to have this tool be effective here in Teton County.
We have parents that want to have these tools we have parents that need these tools.
Let me portray a typical scenario.
Parent is having a huge discussion with their teenager.
Whether it's about their bad grades or whether about they play video games too much or in the scenario that Bailey gave it's a boyfriend and they don't approve of.
They argue they yell.
The child is very out of order beyond the parental control that the parent tells the child you will obey my rules while you live in my house.
I'm sure we all heard this arguing match we can all hear during our heads.
The child then takes them up on their offer and says all right I don't want to live in your house anymore and walks out the front door with a backpack full of things.
What do parents?
What tools do parents have at this point to combat this problem?
What do they do?
They call 911 they call law enforcement.
Right now right today there is no tool that law enforcement can use.
Short of a criminal act that is done by the child.
Whether they trespass whether they break something you know maliciously destroyed property or something else.
There's no tool that law enforcement has right now today in Teton County.
For that child simply being beyond control of their parent and running away.
Nothing right now today.
Let's try and make that as clear as I can.
So what do the parent calls 911?
The law enforcement officer what can they do?
They can strongly encourage the child to return to their parent's home and be in the control of their parent.
The parent.
My child is running away from home.
They're beyond my control.
They're out at night in the dark.
I don't know where they are.
I don't know where they're going.
All of these things are happening here in our county.
And we need to have the tools to be able to address it.
This is not a tool that's going to be abused by law enforcement.
There's a lot of talk I've read online about.
Don't law enforcement have better things to do.
Well I hope that those same people are not saying that the safety of our children is not a priority.
I hope that they're not saying that because the safety of our children must be our highest priority.
And so this is the tool to be able to do that.
I've heard people online say why not make a statute to protect the 14-year-old girl that's going out with the adult male.
Well we can't make a statute that discriminates based on age.
Can't make a statute that discriminates based on gender.
So those statutes are prohibited.
We can make statutes that say you can't be out beyond your parental control.
We can't make statutes that say you can't be out after midnight.
And let's share with your parents or with your parents.
Or all the carbouts that are in the statute.
If you carefully read the statute, there are carbouts for public.
Okay? Public round.
A carbout can't be addressed.
If you're with your parents, with your coast custodian.
If you're on an air and drifted by your parents,
if you're working, if you're coming back from a sport event from a school activity,
all of those things are carbouts in this statute.
But let's go big if.
Big if law enforcement starts abusing this statute.
Not going to happen, but big if.
Me, as the juvenile prosecutor, I have juvenile, I have prosecutorial discretion over the juvenile,
and infraction. These case loads are my, my daily week.
If law enforcement is abusing this statute, it's going to get dismissed.
I'm not going to permit that to happen.
I've been doing this a long, long time.
And I'm not going to permit.
And Clint, I'm sure you're not being offended at this.
I'm not going to let that happen.
This was called prosecutorial discretion.
But on the flip side of that coin, I can't use this tool.
In situations where the parent is desperately needing something,
some tool to address their delinquent child.
We can, we have these programs that are called diversion program.
I'm sure the board has heard of these diversion programs that are available here in Teton County.
It's before the court system.
It's not involving the court system.
It's a diversion that allows us to get counseling, get programming, drug testing,
all of the things that these parents either can afford for themselves or don't know about.
And this is, this is a problem, and we can address it.
And we can use state and county funds to be able to address this for parents who can afford it or don't know about it.
If we use the statute appropriately, it can be benefit to our community.
It can be a benefit to even our minority communities who can afford to get their child counseling.
We can afford to get their child drug testing.
All of these things is a benefit to many parts of our community, all of which is paid by the state or the county.
Let me just repeat and I'll finish with this. This is a tool that parents need.
This is a tool that parents are asking for.
This is a tool that parents and law enforcement are asking for.
And I'll end with that. Thank you.
Thank you.
So, that probably wraps up what we need to say.
I think there's only one other point.
I know it's been raised.
I think I guess if maybe it was generally raised.
Is this or any aspects of the proposed juvenile ordinance going to have a negative impact on
our undocumented community members?
I don't believe so.
I thought through this and I actually can't think of a way in which that it would.
I'm not going to be around the bush.
I mean, I don't know whether it's politically correct to say this.
But I'll just come out and say it because it's the truth.
A large number of the calls from parents that are asking for law enforcement to help.
Help find my runaway kid. Help me with my kid that I can't control.
That is coming from the undocumented community and law enforcement is trying their best to help them.
So, I want to be clear that I think that's an important tool.
And I'm worried about law enforcement not having that tool to help these families.
And in terms of the curfew ordinance, I think someone at least had concerns that, you know,
how does this interact with ICE?
Like, would a curfew in any way result and more, I don't know,
more reports or more documentation that could in some way result in our community members being, you know,
deported by ICE?
And I've thought about it and I really just, I don't think that that in any way.
I actually think it would have the opposite impact.
So, just to walk you through, kind of thinking off the cuff about the two common situations I mentioned about
the yard games like night games. Let's start there.
So, if you have the situation where the officer shows up and is, you know,
talking to a group of kids and a call to sack somewhere,
most likely, if, you know, what the officer is saying is, hey,
I see this spiraling into a dangerous situation, you need to go home.
Most likely that officer is not even taking down kids names and doesn't really care who the kids are.
Just wants the ability to say, this needs to come to an end.
You all, you know, all five of you wearing masks.
I don't even need to know who you are, but you need to go home.
That's going to result in, usually no report, correct me if I'm wrong.
And then, you know, but on the flip side, if the officer has to wait and wait for one of those,
you know, kids to commit a crime with trespass or commit reckless driving
and then get addressed in a criminal way, that absolutely does, you know,
of course it involves reports and a court case and all of these different things.
So, you know, the curfew as an infraction, not involving the criminal process,
is not going to trigger the same things that criminal cases and reporting would.
And again, it's very different between adults and juveniles, not the same thing,
but there's, I really just do not see any connection at all between the curfew ordinance
and increased interactions with ICE.
I already addressed that realistically, it's frequently undocumented individuals who are
calling asking for the sheriff's office to help them with runaways and out-of-control kids.
And then, I mean, just to address the situation where you've got a kid sneaking out for a romantic encounter,
let me tell you, we already spend a significant amount of time, you know,
I couldn't count a number of meetings I've had this month with various aspects of law enforcement and
social services trying to cobble together solutions to deal with highly problematic situations
where we are really concerned about a young individual that's in danger of being raped,
abused, kidnapped, trafficked, even lots of concerns out there.
So we're already trying to deal with those without real great mechanisms to do that.
And you better believe that there's ample reporting.
Officers, law enforcement, social services, everyone's already talking to those parents. Everyone's beyond aware who the parents are.
So in a city, you know, whether or not the group here, and it's really has no bearing on what reporting happens. The parents are going to get known. The kids are going to get known when we have these situations anyway, so it doesn't change anything and not regard.
I don't know whether or not if you can think of anything, but yeah, I mean, I think it's a good question. I'm glad we're asking these questions. We also, we want to be really cognate of these things, but I don't see it as a problem.
Okay. I, uh, this is an action item and I've given the situation more and I, for my chair today, I have no intention on making any motion right now.
I want to hear it from the public. I've heard from the public a lot. Unless one of the other commissioner's fields in need to make a motion.
And we could do that later in the agenda too, should they want to, that my, my feeling is that there is a need here for something.
It seems like there's a very small portion of the community that is affected by your needs and the whole community is affected by an ordinance.
And I, I hope we can find something that will satisfy everybody, but that's my goal. So anyway, I appreciate you taking your time to come and explain that I think it, she has a lot of light on the purpose of why you're here.
I did have a conversation and it was brought up to me that this is in no way a way to punish our children but to protect them and that, that hit home with me.
And I think we ought to consider that by the same time, but at the same time, I also realize that 99 or 95% of our county has no issue or fields they haven't need for this.
And so if we can find some way to enable law enforcement to do their job and do it to serve and protect and still make the community at large heavy, that's my goal.
So with that said, thank you and we'll move into the public comment version portion of the meeting today.
I would say an explanation. If you have sent an email, I've got that last count little over 50 emails from people and except for the ones I got this morning I read them all.
So if if you've sent an email and still feel you need to speak, it's okay, but I'd prefer because of the numbers if you, if you sent an email, rest assured it's been read.
And if you don't need to take time today, I'd appreciate that we are going to try to keep it to two minutes today.
Kim is going to your county clerk's going to call the people who have signed up to speak. If you want to speak and haven't signed up, be sure you do.
She'll call you and she'll give you a little heads up when your two minutes is up and if you can quickly wind it up after that, really appreciate it. Anything else?
Anybody who wants to speak and hasn't signed up, there's a sheet over there.
But I'll pick it up as we get to the end of the sheet I've got in front of me.
So first up, we'll be Brian and for everybody on mine, if you could raise your hand a little icon five in the room and then we'll do online people just to try to keep it.
Hi, I'm Brian McDermott, 301 East 1,000 South former economic development chief for the county. Sorry to not have a comment on this important matter, the legal matter, but I'm commenting on item 11.2, the trestle proposed trestle settlement agreement with the developer.
I'm going to be really fast. You could table it right now because it has the wrong date has December 2024 on it, the one that they want you to sign.
I implore you on behalf of the citizens and in the interest of the citizens, don't sign it.
Table it, push it forward or reject it. The decision to reject that development application last year was well supported by the facts and the law and the documentation on that which is in the commissioner's package is absolutely bullet proof and it should withstand any legal challenge.
The developers in this valley love to use legal challenges to get their way when they are not complying with the law.
Who benefits the developers who suffers the citizens? We have a reputation as a weak county where you can march in from Salt Lake City with a big bag of money and do what you want and that is not what the citizens want.
So I ask that you engage some legal counsel that, really look at this and I think the county should do its own settlement agreement and outline the interest of the citizens rather than the developer and work this thing out properly.
Thank you very much and sorry to interrupt.
You're not interrupting. Thank you. Okay.
Okay, the next is Monica Carrillo Carrillo and on deck Emily Vilder.
Hi, my name is Monica Carrillo and I'm here as a community member as a cultural director of client services of family safety network, a subherent and someone who works closely with family sentitom valley every single day.
I want to speak today about the juvenile ordinance and why you will have a serious negative impact in the Latino community and many other families in our county.
First, I want to be clear, we want all the you to be safe.
But this ordinance does not make our community safer instead it increase the likelihood of an necessary police contact, especially for the Latino youth who already experienced more stops and questions and simply because of how they look.
Her views across the country had been shown to be enforced unevenly and this opens the door for racial profiling weather intended or not.
The ordinance also punished parents whether it's criminal or civil is still the same for our community.
In criminalizing families who are doing their best single parents, nice year of workers and newing their families who already carry a lot of stress and fear around enforcement.
Instead of supporting families, this ordinance adds another layer of fear and pressure in our community.
Labeling you that's beyond parent control or issuing citations can push them into juvenile systems for issues that do not require a law enforcement.
Research shows UNL curfews do not reduce crime, but they do increase the negative impact or outcomes for minor youth.
We shall invest in prevention, mentorship, mental health support and community building, not criminalization.
I also want us to consider the youth who leave their homes because they do not feel safe.
Some teams run away from violence abuse or situations where their basic needs are not being met.
This youth people, these are protection and compassion, not citations or detainance or punishment for trying to escape from.
And I understand that that's one of, they won't do that, but I want you to think about the youth who already called them the problematic youth.
And if somebody tells this to not enforcement is law enforcement going to believe this gets they believe their bad kids, probably not.
This ordinance is not reflect the reality of our culture rooms to our community.
Latino families often gather late night.
We are tanking cinemas, weddings, family reunions, church events and celebrations that go past midnight.
Those traditions shall not put our youth at risk to begin detain.
I already took a mission as to reconsider this ordinance.
Talk to the youth, talk to parents, talk to educators, and talk to the communities who will be most affected.
We all want safety, but this ordinance creates more harm than protection.
Our youth people deserve opportunities, not citations.
Our families deserve support, not civilians.
And our county, deserves policies, rooted in real solutions, not fear.
Thank you for your time and listen to the community concerns.
Thank you.
Okay, up next, Emily Vilture, Auddeck, Anthony Wilcox.
Good morning.
My name is Emily Vilture, and I'm a parent here in Teton Valley, as well as the executive director of the family city network.
I'm here today, also regarding juvenile development.
As a parent, I worry both about the most vulnerable youth in our community and the kids who are already who do have support and structure at home.
A blanket curfew can feel controlling and alienating for teens who are simply growing into their autonomy.
If your base approaches rarely work with young people who are finding their voice,
I don't want my daughter who's worried about being stopped on her way home from babysitting at night.
And I understand that there are carve outs, but law enforcement doesn't know when they see a youth if that youth has a reason or where they're returning from.
And so they solve the ability to stop and confront that person.
I'm also an easy with passing an ordinance that creates broad authority for law enforcement while being told it won't be used that way.
If an ordinance technically allows an officer to stop a minor driving home from work, we can't rely on assurances that that won't happen.
That signals that certain youth or certain types of youth are anticipated to be targeted while others are implicitly exempt.
It's critical to look not at the intentions behind the ordinance, but it would actually permit and how it can be used, especially against the kids who may already feel that they face a needful treatment.
From Ephesus perspective, I also need to name and it has been brought up today that some young people, they stay out late because home is not safe.
They're waiting for the house to be quiet until they go home.
For a parent to fall asleep before they can walk through their door.
For them, this ordinance does not provide protection, it creates new barriers to seeking help.
I appreciate Bailey's words about how law enforcement is supporting youth that they will support youth who are fleeing an abusive home,
but however impractice that looks very different and I don't trust that it will be possible.
It's very difficult for youth to report abuse.
Just like any victim of abuse, if the youth cannot a physical proof, law enforcement is in a very difficult position.
And it is just as equally difficult as extreme verbal or emotional use that's taking place.
And parents have a lot of rights and have a lot of control.
So the kid is just staying out to wait for their parents to fall asleep.
It's quite understandable.
And then also regarding the 14-year-old girl leaving home to meet with an adult male, that is such a complex situation.
And I think it's so important to acknowledge that generally young youth and a physician like that have experienced vast amounts of trauma that have led them there.
And I don't think that this is a trauma informed response.
I think it is a much bigger issue that different stakeholders can help come together and think about how to navigate that and protect that young person.
I want to offer a constructive path forward every month, prosecution, law enforcement, family safety network, school counselors, health and welfare.
People from the hospital and child advocates meet as a multidisciplinary team focused on child safety.
I believe that from that group and others in our community, there are many people ready and willing to organize and talk through the concerns that led to the creation of this proposal.
And to work together to come up with creative solutions and supports that will actually support youth and families.
So I would encourage the commission to pause and engage that collaborative group.
And either work with that group or form a related community coordinated response moving forward to deal with these difficult issues.
Thank you for your time.
Good morning. I'm Anthony Wilcox from Tetoni Idaho. Commissioners. I see that you have some health issues you're facing. I wish you both this video recovery.
Regarding item 11.2 on the agenda. I know there's some concern about a day error aside from that.
I know there are people in the community who have some personal animists towards this project.
And the people involved in it. But the applicant felt that their rights and due process have been violated.
The applicant then brought a legal complaint against the county through an attorney.
The county's legal team must have agreed that there was fault from past county officials and their actions.
I've recommended this be settled amicably outside the courtroom.
And I've drafted an agreement between the interested parties.
This county has a history in recent times of ignoring legal advice or not seeking legal advice when it would be pertinent to do so.
And just winging it in the name of their active as a agenda.
Please spare us another expensive lawsuit. I'm asking you to sign the agreement.
And regarding this ordinance. I know there's a lot of interest in this and most of the criticism towards the proposed ordinance.
I'm asking that you approve it. I think in our almost one hour of presentation.
That all three individuals. They hit on all the points.
It concerns did a great job of dispelling any concerns.
And they say. Thank you.
Thank you.
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Bruce, the rise on deck will be online.
Rebet the banker.
Tea Miller and Nikki Richards.
My name is Bruce Dorees. I'm here to speak about it.
Jen, I'm 13.7, which is not on the paper.
It's on the website.
Yeah. It's on the website.
And so we're going to.
We're not going to hear that today because of the conflict.
But we can listen to what your comments.
Well.
It's on the burden ranch.
And my property is a joining work ranch.
We're in the process of doing this up to business as well.
And my topic for conversation has to a silver star.
And being required are actually telling us we have to put it in silver star.
Which I want to agree with.
There's a got to be a freedom of choice.
Already the internet there is not very good as it is and being forced to use silver star.
We don't want to use it.
And my application is going to be held up because of that.
We can use Starlink.
Which is better.
And the offers.
Everybody, and I want you to do it. If they want to put so to start and let them do it, but to force us to do that, it's not right.
That's all I got. Okay, good. Thank you.
Okay, Rebecca Baker Online.
Good morning, temperatures. May I ask you a good question?
About 10 or 14 sets of closing lessons for example. I'm here to do comments about 2 items on the agenda.
The first item being, I want to point you to set up a minute, bring it to the wildfire and trussles.
I commented on this, something we bring at the first time, it was on the agenda.
My comment still stands with regards to the lack of transparency as to how this agreement ended.
I'm just going to read a few names here on the Keller Investment properties.
I'll see Scott Keller, CEO, Kevin Keller, who's a welcome to CEO, Scott Keller, owns a joint ownership of wildfire,
and a set selling agreement that is cross-precurrent or treatment could develop her who failed to submit an application to meet the standards
that we hold all other developers to in this county.
It's about work for the county that's valuable for board.
It's about work for the legal staff that, the legal staff that gave a great light for the decisions,
the way the decisions made by the World Bank Commissioners.
There's a comment on selling the agreement, I'm very much against it.
I think it is not a thing, it looks horrible.
Without a disclosure from the legal parties as the House of England came about and the guidance that is given from the county's perspective as to what it should be.
It should be soldering.
It's not significant.
It looks bad.
It's real bad.
It's embarrassing.
So that's, those are my comments on the settlement agreement.
I also like to comment on agenda, how I'm 12-1, which is,
I'm going to comment on what this is the proposed language
and making it unlawful for a minor to leave the costly and adult without permission.
We are individually, the most marginalized youth in our community by not allowing them to have some independence and to escape potentially dangerous situations.
There's a clear case in this community that people are about to care about you and that don't want to see you become a criminal
because you are leading an unsafe home environment in which your identity is being challenged.
Those are my comments.
We don't need to be making kids criminals and I understand the difference between this leader and a psychiatrist.
And we don't need to be fighting children.
I know.
But kids are criminals for moving on to an environment.
And if anything, we should be proceeding to a date with a date in the adult such circumstances.
If you don't want to go and follow with a male dog who is not a family member,
make it a crime that adult can only be in a call with a minor who is not a family member.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Okay, up next is Tom Miller.
Then it will be Nikki Richards, I found, and you three, six, four, five, four, five, and then we'll go back to in person.
All right, this is Tom Miller.
I'll comment about 8.1, the temporary structures as long as you're in with the quarters.
One of the things that I think is a misunderstanding from previous comments that I've had is that we have different properties and differently.
And I'm not sure why we have this world across all property types.
You know, we talked about this being a world community and wanting to keep the farms active.
There should be a way for transient workers.
We're here for six or nine months to live on the property that they are farming.
It just doesn't make any sense to me.
I know there's a couple of mentions of supporting documentation about black water and grey water.
I agree that black tanks need to be handled properly.
A person I know in the valley uses a poor potty company that comes up, hooks up to the black water and just punch it right out.
And so there you have a lot done, so there are ways not traditional ways to solve that problem.
I'm not sure what's going on with grey water comments in those because
grey water 99% of it is soap and water.
People washing their dishes taking a shower.
And I don't see how that's any different than somebody who's spending washing their house to get the mold off of it.
You're using soap and water, how about cars, trucks.
You know, is that going to be only able to do that?
And if it's not an actual live and we're going to talk about RVs and there's probably not more than three or four hundred of these in the county.
Grey water, get it on, found that.
And we have cows, you know, defecate it on the farmland, but yet we're okay with that, but you're going to worry about a little bit of grey water.
And if we want this community to say partially, far more, far more community.
We need to have a way for people who use the farmland for temporary housing during the season.
And you know, I'm just not sure what the problem is there, but I'm hoping it can sit or making some type of car about in the water.
And somebody who's like, has a family's own property.
So they're really trying to farm that land that they can also park a RV on the farmland.
Thank you very much.
Okay, up next we'll be Nicky Miller on deck, iPhone.
Good morning, commissioners. I am Nicky Richards, Teton County resident. I'm the mom that I'm taking on agenda item 12.1.
I'm the mom of the Teton County team. If he's out between 12 and 5 am, I either know about it or he'll be grounded for the foreseeable future.
And I probably know about it because someone in the village that is our community would have seen him and we'll make sure I know.
Bottom line, I'm the parent and I'll handle it at home.
But I recognize all situations are different. The thought of an ordinance like this makes me wonder why.
What's going on in our community that prompted this? And what more can we do is a community to help these teams?
Are there positive proactive approaches that we can take as a county?
I do know there are plenty of local nonprofits on that have spoken today and carrying community members who support our youth.
I for one should and we'll do more to help here.
As for night games, I think it's ticket for a kid writing on top of a car and a ticket for the driver would go a long way to stop other kids from doing that.
Maybe even a running for the first one on that.
I tell my son and his friends all the time to be respectful and not to ruin night games for the kids that will come after them.
I'm not a gambler, but before today I would have bet that if a child was in a car laid at night with a non-family adult that there would be more probing.
And at a minimum, the sheriff's department could call the parents of the juvenile.
I'm shocked that's not just procedure and I can imagine that that would be hard for the sheriff's department to work within.
I would love to see an ordinance where parent notification happens in those cases.
Arrests are not civil or criminal. I just don't want more kids in the system. I want to see kids be loved, supported, and parented at home.
Again, I think I can do more to help in our community on this front.
And I will seek ways to be more engaged part of the village that I believe it takes to raise our values youth.
Thank you for your time and service to our community.
Okay. I found on deck you three six four five five and please state your names.
Is that name by chance?
Yes.
Okay. This is Idaho Handsome from Tetonia.
And I want to also come up on item 11.2.
And I think that you need to get the date correct on the letter.
But also, I'm very concerned about, and I'm just going to know in a few, there's trust over, there's no other lines.
And some of these subdivisions that are all over three years trying to get permits.
And I want to refer you back to the Supreme Court on the Teton Creek Resort.
And one of the big things that we'll see is that you cannot continue to move the gold post for these contractors.
And whether you like it or not, if they're following the RECDE that they started on,
that is all they have to do.
You cannot say all where your profit study was done three years ago as well when we're about that.
That is not a true statement. They're required to do a profit study when they did their preliminary hearing.
And because of that, you cannot change the gold post.
You cannot like them do traffic studies on today's profit.
All of these three year old applications shouldn't have been passed two years ago or two and a half years ago.
And I think that you also, the candy millions of dollars, if you get these all cleaned up.
Unfortunately, we have a regime in the commissioners and people about them that were trying to stop building.
And I would love to stop building, but I want to do it legally.
And this is not legally.
We're really poking the bar here. We have enough lawsuits against this.
We need to get there a great fixed on this and let ourselves continue on.
And my comment on 12.1 on this curfew, I think kids need to be able to be kids.
I think that it is unfortunate that we want to put additional legal problems upon our children.
I think that nine to nine, I don't know what the percentage is of the kids and all of our good kids.
They do good things. They're told and draw life.
I think this ordinance leads to help those who need help.
But it shouldn't be just a blanket statement.
And they're about this out of state kids.
They are required to know that they have to be unbound midnight.
Because some families were camping up to the park and all of it, I had it.
Can you all kids that had under under?
Can you all kids go with them and they went through the park?
And they take that home over late.
I would hate for them to be pulled over and have a citation because they risk curfew.
Especially if they're out of state and they don't even know about the curfew.
So I do think that that needs to go back to the drawing table and I appreciate what Bob said.
And we would say that it affects those who need it, not the whole community.
That's all I got. Thank you.
Okay. You three six four five four five.
On deck will be curfew.
Hi. Thank you. My name is Dean Ivand and Berg.
I am a tricks resident. I live in the ironwood subdivision.
I'm commenting on 11.2.
The settlement agreement.
Not in favor of signing it.
I agree with all the other folks that have previously spoken.
Since 2023, it's been riddled with issues and errors.
And if we can't trust them to put through proper documentation through this
Comedy process, if you sign it, then how can we even trust that they're going to follow through
and follow through the regulations when building these subdivision.
And then if they don't completely build it out, we're going to be stuck with them, rip it off our dricks, residents, just like in my subdivision where the out-of-state developer owns the majority of the lots. And we are being held hostage by them. Please don't sign this. Follow the rules, make them submit proper applications that are not riddled with errors. Thanks so much for your service. Thanks for your time.
Okay, up next, Kurt Bailey, on deck Sarah Johnston.
I think Kurt stepped out of there. Okay, Sarah. And on deck Sue O'Connor. Sarah Johnston, great side of hope.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share my concerns this morning. And thank you for all the work you do to take care of our community.
I'm here because I have very serious concerns and opposition to the juvenile delinquent ordinance.
I don't have time to go into all the details, but I have read this proposed law very carefully, and it does not say what our prosecutor described.
For those of you who don't know me, I am not a criminal. I have never been charged with any crime.
I am a local business owner, and I was recently elected to City Council. When I was a teen, I was not a trouble maker.
I got straight A's in high school. I went to college for engineering, and I was the valetorian of my graduating class.
My parents never contributed as single penny, or helped me with any university or financial aid application.
When I was 18, my mom died from cancer. When I was 17, she was in a wheelchair and disabled, and my dad was abusive.
I moved out on my own at 17, as soon as I finished high school, supporting myself and saving money for college.
The ordinance you have in front of you would have made me the criminal. This ordinance defines a juvenile as a runaway.
It makes that action a crime. It makes it a crime before there's a crime. It defines it as a misdemeanor and says that children can be taken into police custody.
It labels them as delinquent. If they are all of these things, if they are away from their parents for 12 hours.
I lived on my own for over a month and a half before I turned 18.
When I was 16, and had just attained my driver's license, I went on a kayaking trip with kids from the Jackson Hook High Club and our coaches.
The coach was not my legal guardian. The carve out does not say parental permission, and it does not say parental shaperone or adult shaperone.
It says parent or legal guardian. We left Jackson after school and after work on a Friday.
God groceries at 10 p.m. a friend Meyer and Idaho Falls and drove late into the night.
I would have been a criminal for being out after curfew for a recreational activity. Again, recreational activities are not a carve out in this ordinance.
Without my parents and without their explicit permission.
Driving after an admit night and camping on public land is not an errand or a duty. It was not sanctioned by my school. It is not a carve out.
If I had tried to stand up to my abusive dad, this ordinance with the beyond control of parents language would have enabled my dad to call the sheriff and say that I was being disruptive and get me into the criminal system as a trouble maker.
It is already very hard for victims of domestic abuse to get help and this ordinance would make it even harder.
I understand there are real problems. This ordinance is trying to solve, but this ordinance is not the answer. This ordinance criminalizes activities that are not and should not be crimes.
If you're thinking, well, it won't be enforced like that. I caution you to vote no. It needs to be rewritten so that what it says lines up with how it will be used.
Any time a law is on the books that is not consistently enforced, it opens the door for to be used in a discriminatory and abusive way.
Our system does a dismal job of protecting minors who are victims of domestic abuse at the hands of their parents.
For kids like me, not only does this ordinance fail to protect me, it flips it around and makes me the criminal.
When I find the courage to escape a bad situation, please focus on fighting real crimes and protecting victims. Please don't criminalize minors who are going about their lives.
Everyone, even minors deserve the freedom to pursue life, liberty and happiness.
Up next, you will honor on death, Garvin Ricks.
Hi, my name is Sue O'Connor. I live at 12, 20, Wendy Hallway in Dricks.
And I'd like to talk about item 11.2, the settlement agreement between for trestles and wildflower.
There are so many reasons why you should not approve this settlement agreement for wildflower and trestles.
For me, the biggest one is that it does not right or fair to allow two old proposals that have been denied in previous years multiple times and for multiple valid reasons to be resurrected and eased through under the old land development code.
And at the taxpayer's expense, when they should be subject to the same process of redesigning reconfiguration under the new legal zoning codes as all other denied development proposals are.
If you approve this settlement, you are giving preferential treatment to one particular developer.
And I would say shame on you. This is not what I expect my county commissioners to do as a representation of me or of this community.
These two old and previously denied proposals. If approved in settlement will proceed to strain the water table with so many wells.
Contaminate an important natural spring that is located on the proposed development land.
Conjust the junction of 2000 cells in highway 33 with even more traffic than it already has and no turning lanes and allow too many people and too many houses on land that cannot sustain it.
Also severely displaced the wildlife that used the open land.
And this is where it gets very emotional for me.
Because my husband and I have lived on this property are property adjacent to the proposed sub-tressal subdivision development.
Full time for 25 years. And we have seen with our own eyes the vast amount of wildlife that used land, both to rest in and travel through.
There are so many and I have a list here, but I want to say I will just keep going.
Elk deer moves foxes, coyotes, snowshoe hair, canodegies, snow geese, cranes, variety of raptors. That is only a sum of what we have seen on a regular basis.
These animals and open space are what our community of Teton Valley have positively said they value keeping.
Dense housing on small lots are not what we need at the scenic gateway to drakes.
These should be reserved for within the city limits and not on the outskirts. It is important to remember that these two proposals were denied application because they were missing lots of different required elements.
They should not get a second chance for that. They should start over under the new land development code. Please do not approve this or any settlement agreement with wildflower or tressals.
Thank you for your time.
It is curvy back.
Okay, so up next garden ricks on deck 1-4th.
My name is Garb and ricks. I am a resident of the north end of the valley by help by felt.
I want to speak to gender 6.1 which is a road vacation.
I have used that road and I know other people have used that road.
It is a road that doesn't get a lot of maintenance and it is still usable.
From all the years I have been here in the valley. I continually see lack of things being well roads and access to places being closed.
I use as a child or a young guy.
Now they have got no trespassing signs and gates all over.
I just hate to see this happening with our valley. Everything is getting closed off.
This road is a county right away and I believe it should be left open.
Thank you. Just so you know the applicant did withdraw.
1-4th is on deck MRA.
Good morning. I am here as a representative in my community and I am also with the Hispanic Resource Center.
And I would like to urge you to vote no on the delinquent juveniles.
Curfuse have been prevent ineffective repealed elsewhere in a necessary draw.
Non-cranimal criminal juice into the justice system.
This ordinance would also criminalize normal and undermine parental, normal activities and undermine parental authority by enforcing a one-size-fits-all curfew.
Given events across our country, I am deeply concerned about increased risk of racial profiling.
Our immigrant community, regardless of legal status, is already leaving in fear.
What's next?
What should be next is a resilient, proactive and effective diversion program that focuses on healthy outcomes for our youth, not punitive.
Also, the creating of a record for a juvenile, my prevent them in the future advancing careers in high profile or clearances that are needed to join the military and other government agencies.
So please do not let this go. Don't pass it.
And maybe, like somebody else said, maybe we could talk about other ordinances that maybe just focuses on runaways.
But not everybody in our communities and I am talking in general, our criminals and we should not create a record for them. Thank you.
Up next, Emma Rae, on deck David Tsiso.
Hi, I'm Emma Rae, 6263 SouthFest Street, Tetonia.
I am commenting on the juvenile ordinance that was proposed as well and I sent an email so I'm not going to repeat the email.
So I do want to comment on process a little bit. It didn't sound like you passed the amendment to the agenda as amended, as a motion. So someone who woke my toddler would have slept in to be here at 9 o'clock for open mic and then preempting public comment with the presentation is frustrating.
And then I also want to comment on something that the prosecutor attorney said, which you're right there and I'm talking about you.
What you said was contradictory.
We've read the ordinance as a community. We can see that there are very limited cases where the curvy would not apply.
Just not in your presentation verbally or saying that well, in parent permission, it's fine. That's not what we're going to say.
I'm talking about that and it's right there. So that's confusing and contradictory.
And so just like someone said earlier, you can't just say, well, here's what it says in black and white, but we're going to use it this way.
That's not how it works. It needs to be written the way that it's going to be used.
So just trying to understand which parents would be seen as having a given parent permission for there could be out late, and which parents will be seen as the ones who don't care.
That's where the bias comes in. There's no, to me, there's no difference. You have my permission or I don't care what you're doing.
That's where the concern comes in with very valid concern of bias and how it will be enforced and which parents will be seen as during their right thing versus.
Thank you. David Sussan on deck, Mandy Bakke-Teller.
Aye aye, my name is David Sussan. I am 24, 10 Falcon Creek Drive and Driggs. And I want to thank the sheriff
and the prosecutor's office for kind of their fairly detailed explanation on the youth ordinance.
And you've clarified some a point for it, which are important. And I want to really emphasize the importance of the carve out for youth, if you'll threaten or endanger the home.
And I want to share just a couple. And he goes, with you about that.
When my daughter was seen here in high school, her best friend showed up by our door on a cold winter night in her bathroom and her slippers.
There had been an altercation in her home where her younger brother and her stepdad, and she get free.
And so I think it's very important to get a big carve out for that.
Another thing, and again, you know, you say the statute will be rarely, you know, you really have to use it, and it's important to, you know, if you have a tool.
And I think that's understandable. But how that's important, how that works. And now with parent information, I mean, here's another example of my daughter, with our commission, with over at a friend's house, it turned into a party.
She became uncomfortable with that party. She came home after midnight. Therefore, we've been in violation of your perfume.
As a parent, I was very proud of her, that she actually had the ability to see that this was a situation that she didn't like, and was able to leave.
And yet, she could've got to take it for that, because she was out without our commission.
And that's the show that she was supposed to be at her friend's house.
So I think there's some, you know, there's some subleties to the issue, and there's some very subleties that need to be worked into the ordinance before it actually moves forward.
And that's not easy to do, and I realize it's challenging, and from the law enforcement aspect, and especially you and you're never dealing with parents who don't care, and other issues.
But I think it's worth taking the time to carefully. It's carefully as carefully as we can craft the issue.
One of the things I might comment on in her presentation, it was interesting to me that we, you know, the state statutes changed, and so we no longer have ability to use these things would be really nice to know as you present this in the future.
How often you did use it, these tools, when we actually have the state statutes that we use, because I give us a perspective on how that actually has to be used in the county. Well, thank you.
Okay, up next is Mandy Rockefeller, on deck, we'll be currently, and I'll just remind everybody to address the board.
Thank you. Hi. I hope everyone can hear me. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Mandy Rockefeller. I live at 813 Drake or Trail in Drake's.
I'm here to strongly oppose the proposed juveniles ordinance. National research consistently shows the majority of runaways and usually home to escape abuse and neglect or unsafe family conflict, not because they're the link went or defiant.
Studies indicate that 40 to 60% of one way runaway youth report abuse or severe neglect and more than half site family conflict as the primary reason they fled.
Criminalizing these children punishes the most vulnerable. The ones already trying to survive unsafe situations a child fleeing harm should not face a misdemeanor or citation for trying to survive.
Wank it ordinances are simply not the answer. This ordinance also opens up the door for unequal or discriminatory enforcement, especially for teens who already face higher rates of police contact like use of color, neurodivergent children and youth living in poverty.
These groups are statistically more likely to be labeled difficult, disruptive or defiant even when exhibiting normal adolescent behavior.
The proposed curfew is equally concerning. Many teens in Teton County work earlier late shifts help on family farms trained for sports or travel long distances between work, school and home.
Penalizing them for being in public during certain hours is not only impractical, it's unfair.
I would have fallen myself into the same category as I as a junior in high school worked in Jackson until 1130 p.m.
Every day. How can these, how are we going to determine who is falling subject to this?
How are they going to be a roadside stop? In terms of practicality and how law enforcement is going to handle this, this ordinance seems very open and broad.
I'd also like to point out a personal note, as you might have noticed, I'm a small adult.
I'm routinely mistaken for a teenager behind the wheel. So if I understand correctly under this ordinance, I could feasibly be pulled over for my appearance alone.
Although I hope the gray hair that my own teens have given me would show otherwise.
However, I will say at 17, I actually was pulled over and the Idaho State Police Officer asked me if I was old enough to be driving this thing, which was my car.
Frankly, the county in my opinion doesn't have the enforcement capacity for the regulations we already have, adding the new layer of juvenile policing, which is a parent's responsibility.
Coupled with especially subjective enforcement is not realistic and could easily lead to discrimination and inconsistent or inequitable outcomes.
There's no real limitation in my opinion to this ordinance. So while we are supposed to have this ordinance and simply trust that law enforcement will use it to whatever means they deemed necessary, I don't believe anything that's not in black and white.
If the county wants to help struggling youth, the answer is not criminalization. To echo what Emily said earlier, the answer is mental health support, crisis intervention and family resources, not penalties that deep in trauma and mistrust.
For these reasons and many more, I respectfully urge you to reject this ordinance. Please let me parent my children. Thank you.
Okay, up next, curvy on death, kill each or go.
Hi, my name is Kurt Bailey. The entrance Idaho. I also want to comment on the juvenile proposal. I've had underage kids under 18 driving in the valley for last 70 years.
I can tell you with some of the things that the sheriff has mentioned.
It shocks me when my kids tell me what's gone on with these, these chased parties, whatever. They started the school, they ended up rulms and gone through people's yards.
Parties where they're drinking in Darby Canyon, whatever it might be. So there's a lot happening.
Unless we have children and care from what's happening, there's a lot of things that the sheriff's office is having to deal with.
And I think for my children, if they're out, not where they're supposed to be or during hours where we know sometimes not anything good happens at 2am for a 17 year old or a 16 year old or a 15 year old, especially if the parents aren't aware of it.
So I haven't gone through all the details of the proposal, but I think it's more can be if it's not already more of a protection for our children.
And when we talk about runaways and whatnot of my child ran away, I would want the police to get involved and to help.
If I can't find them, I don't know where they are, and I don't think for a minute with Clint staff that they would pull over a child who's in distress and dysregulated whether they're neuroditoring or whatever.
I don't feel that they would just throw them through a normal protocol from in the back seat and deal with it then.
So I think it's very important that we understand really what's happening with a lot of these kids and like some of the antics that are happening.
They're different than what our generation and 10 years ago did or 30 years ago or 40 years ago.
So I think it's very important that these are true things that the sheriff's department's having to deal with taking out a lot of their time.
We have very few sheriff's at these hours to deal with drunk driving but can also take out our families and our children.
So I think it's important that we understand really what's happening out there and how we deal with it.
But it is, I feel more of the protection of our youth than it is to penalize that.
Thanks.
Kelly jerk up and on deck Janine Jolly.
Hello commissioners.
I would talk to you in quite some time in that time.
I'm resident Victor Idaho.
Kelly jerk up.
I've have now two teenage boys.
They are 16 and 14 and I have two step children teenage boys that are also all residents of the valley.
And I'm here today to ask you to oppose the juvenile ordinance regarding curfew.
I can only speak to what I have witnessed raising teenagers and especially boys in the valley.
And I would ask you to also listen to all these personal stories from people that have stories.
Family safety network, Sarah Johnson, old friend.
I asked you to listen to these stories with heavy heart.
Mine is not as heavy.
I have the ways that like to party.
It's horrible.
I do everything I could to keep them safe.
And I feel like this ordinance for kids that are very social, that are athletes, that are independent.
It will deter them from appreciating police, from collaborating with police.
And feeling like they are.
The criminal world keeps throwing out, but my kids don't want to get pulled over.
It's just a thing.
We were all there when we were younger.
I feel like I have a safe home.
I also think this ordinance will keep kids away from my safe home.
My kids stay out late.
If there is a lot of kids drinking at a party, there is one kid usually that is taking multiple kids home.
I want my kid home.
Whether they're the DD or the one that's intoxicated.
I don't want them staying at a house where there's not guns that are taken care of.
Where there are parents that are abusive.
Where all kinds of things happen.
When kids get stuck up in a place.
Even if there isn't going to be abuse, they're going to do something unsafe.
They're going to ride an ATV home.
Across someone's property.
They are going to, they're going to sleep in their car.
They're going to stay out camping and potentially start a fire because they're a bunch of idiots.
We need to get our kids home safe.
My home is safe.
I'm so sad for all the kids in this family that do not have a safe home.
But my home is safe.
I've made it safe.
I've tried for years to keep it safe.
I appreciate the police and I do not know how you do it.
My kids play night games.
I played night games when I was little.
I've heard that there are kids getting pulled over.
The police are respectful.
They have to manage it that way.
This ordinance is not the right answer.
A bunch of the kids that I know.
Okay, so if teens, if teens, I don't want these to our teens off the streets.
I think this curfew is going to be a complete deterrent to that.
Our streets are safe.
They're not perfect.
But I want my kids to tell me the truth.
They don't always tell me the truth.
The gentlemen, the talks about earlier.
They're at parties that I don't know about because they went somewhere.
They went somewhere else.
If they're not going to be able to get home even though they're not.
I don't know where they are.
I need them home.
We have a plan.
They have a curfew.
We have a plan.
Alcohol is obviously another issue.
I had a lot of these parties and out at Darby.
I don't own my kids staying there because they're afraid that they're going to get pulled over.
And their buddy has a weed pen in the car.
And they're going to get a citation.
I know all these things are illegal, but they're children.
Their kids.
They're independent and they're lovely.
And I do think the village that is Teton Valley is doing a decent job.
Let's see.
I feel that our kids and Teton Valley because of this independence are extremely special.
I think that they do incredibly well.
Watching a lot of teens leave here, go to college.
Have careers contribute to this world.
I think a lot of their connection nature, their independence and the test that they face are invaluable.
I think this is going to keep a lot of kids.
It's eventually going to potentially put kids that shouldn't be in trouble, in trouble, and marginalize them.
And maybe put them on a path that they don't need to be on.
I just got to keep my teenage boys safe for as long as I can.
And then they're going into the world.
I believe that's my job by all means.
But I also believe that this exact ordinance would deter me from doing that job well.
That's all I got. Thank you for listening.
Edwin, have a good day.
Okay, Janine Jolly and on deck I apologize I can't read this name but the last name looks like Morrison.
Hi, Janine Jolly and Victor.
I really appreciate the explanation given by our prosecuting team and our sheriff.
And I feel like so much of this could have been avoided.
Had we had this down as a discussion item and not an action item.
I think everybody got really excited me included.
I mean, I wrote you a very pointed letter last night, which I am sure you read since you said you read them from last night.
And after hearing this meeting, I feel better about particularly 4.8.1 and 4.8.2.
I think I agree with a lot of the people that said that the carve outs that Bailey talked about.
They're not in writing.
I want to see those in writing.
I want those spelled out.
I know we had three kids.
We raised three kids in this valley.
Love the valley.
Love the opportunities.
Love the night games that they.
We've got to play, but also, if my kid ever stepped across the line, I would totally want to know about it, and I would then not only would they get a punishment from the place, they would get a punishment at home, and they would not do that again.
Well, I think we need to see carveouts in writing. I really appreciate the stories that we've heard, and I think a lot of us, without going into our own stories, can identify with those, and appreciate what people have said about escaping abusive situations, and where do we go to fill safe.
That needs to be in writing, and we can't just say, well, the police will do that, because they're good people, which they are, and I would totally support any of them right now, but we don't know what's going to happen in the future.
So that needs to be written down. I think just good communication, better communication, the difference between an action item and a discussion item would have totally fixed this whole thing.
I think having the knowledge ahead of time about the state statute, having expired, and we need to put that back into place, I don't think any of us would have a really a lot of problem with that.
We've lived under it anyway, and we just didn't know what was gone. So now moving on to a different topic.
This is completely different than what you've heard today, but I would suggest as the Board of County Commissioners, your job is to help safety and welfare of this citizens.
And that's it. We have so many other things that are coming into play in this county and you're getting pushed on by all sides. Your job helps safety welfare.
I think the biggest problem that we have in this county is Highway 33, and people can talk about subdivisions all they want. I'm sorry, we're all living on land that once was this age-brush field. Everybody is.
So you don't have any special rights, but on Highway 33 we do have the right to be safe, and that is your job.
And we do need to petition the state, ITD department and the state for more turn lanes, a bigger highway, whatever that solution is, that will make us safer, and that would also help I think with some of these other problems that we're having with development.
So thank you, have a great day.
Up next, this gentleman and on deck Anna trying to do.
I'm Alex Morrison. I want to talk about the 8.1 living in RV stuff like that.
It's over the past many years. That's how I've chosen to live is in an RV that way I'm not having to pay $3,500 a month in rent and just throw that money away.
I'm trying to build a business, trying to build my life to do better things, and just taking rent money and throwing it away.
It doesn't seem feasible to me when I'm trying to save up to be able to pay by a piece of property and stuff like that.
But what I see wrong with this ordinance is also lease just shy of 100 acres of land in this valley.
And if it wasn't for me lease in that land, it'd be nothing but we'd invest it and everything else, but wasn't for me taking care of that land, which would be that many more problems for the county.
But county ordinance says, I can't be there. I can't live in my fifth world there.
But yet, in what I do, there's no RV of road in this valley, I don't drive down.
And there's well over 100 RVs being lived in.
And they've been there, wait past 180 day mark that the ordinance says.
And the ordinance isn't being done black and white.
So it's easy to got to be black and white.
And every single person in this county, this living in an RV, gets told they got to move every 180 days.
Or there needs to be carve outs, wrote in that ordinance, such as, you own that property, so you can be able to do that.
You lease that property, you can be able to do that.
And I mean, most of what I've seen is there's supposedly some type of RV permit or something I can buy.
Well, that just comes down to the county didn't get their dollar from me for me to be here working and living in this county.
Something's got to change on that.
The ordinance, I can understand it of in city and all that.
You don't want an RV behind every business and all that.
But the way that the rent is, the way that the housing situation is in this valley.
It is very, very hard for your average blue color worker to afford to live here.
And for the people that are living here, they're, and paying the high price rent that is what's called affordable right here.
They're not putting anything in savings.
They're not doing anything to better their lives.
They're living barely paycheck to paycheck to paycheck to paycheck.
And if they have any disaster in their family, they got nothing.
I think that should be a major consideration of the border directors here.
Because our workforce still has to be here.
There's business owners here that can all verify of how hard it is to get decent employees here.
Employees that will show up every day.
If we can't live here, if we don't have a way of being here.
I mean, look how often 33 shut down, 32 shut down, and all of that in the wintertime.
Well, everybody that runs a business here.
A business still has to run, either your employees are here or not, especially the service industries.
That which makes it to where it's a domino effect that goes down the line.
We need to make it to where being able to live in an RV and all that isn't something that's looked down on.
It needs to be made easier, and it needs to not be discriminated on.
Okay, up next, and in a trying to do on deck, Steve O'Connor.
And I would remind anybody who's on Zoom.
If you wish to speak of raise your hand and we'll get to you in just a few minutes.
Good morning, commissioners.
I'm here to talk about agenda item 11.2.
I've been retained by Susan O'Connor.
She is a Teton County taxpayer and an abutting property owner who's on a private domestic well.
Who vigorously participated in the opposition to both the trestles and wildflower development proposals.
I'm here to urge you not to sign the settlement agreement that sits before you.
It conveys an unconstitutional and unprecedented benefit to two private developers.
It is a grant of preferential treatment at the cost of the public.
You're basically allowing them through this agreement a second bite in the apple,
where they'd be able to resurrect prior denials, which had already preceded two completion,
the end of this board's authority.
And the jurisdiction is now sitting with the district court.
But the agreement will allow them to turn back the clock and utilize old development standards and zoning densities
that have not been the law of the land for over 40 months now.
The primary effect, the end result of this agreement, is to grant an economic advantage,
and specially tailor-made process to two developers in a way that is totally unavailable to other developers.
Looking back, these two projects were denied recommended for denial by the Planning and Zoning Commission.
Wildflower was ultimately denied for six areas where it did not meet county code.
Trestles had a disdusting nine areas where it did not meet county code.
This is really unheard of that two projects were so incomplete and deemed to be lacking,
necessary components, and as publicly stated by former Commissioner of Whitfield,
legal counsel has advised you that these denials were defensible,
and that there was minimal risk to allowing these two projects to just go through judicial review.
I'm here to say that this settlement agreement violates Article 3, Section 19 of the Idaho Constitution.
It creates a special tailor-made process that no other developers ever received before.
It's the ability to go back four years in time and revive a concept of application that really no cost to the developer
that was ultimately already denied by final action through the borne.
It also violates Idaho's investing rule by taking two fully denied applications where there is no legal path forward
and no further authority within this board and going back and revesting them in a special process that allows these developers
to maximize their profit using now-resented densities.
This is an unconstitutional special privilege.
It violates the principles of equal protection and due process,
treating these two developers differently than all the others without a rational basis or legitimate public purpose.
The settlement agreement also violates the gift clause in the Idaho Constitution.
And what that means is this board has created a process that will allow the developer to significantly increase
their profits and land values using rescinded zoning densities without receiving any valid and commensurate public benefit and exchange.
This is an illegal gift and subsidy to these two developers.
Section 11 of the settlement agreement also sets the bar for attorney fees very low lower than what's allowed by law.
It says anyone who merely prevails gets attorney fees.
Again, this is an unequal bargain.
The county has not received any value or benefit and exchange.
If the board chooses to sign the settlement agreement, we will challenge it.
And we will raise all the issues of expertise, partake communications and open meeting law violations.
Exchange between members of the Board of County Commissioners and representatives of Liberty LLC.
So I would urge this board.
Please follow the process.
That has moved forward for every other developer who's chosen to seek judicial review.
It proceeds through judicial review.
That is the path of least risk.
And honestly, it's the consistent path.
These two projects in all my years of practicing land use law in Teton County really,
really shined on their own for being uniquely incomplete and not complying with county law.
The safest path forward is to let them proceed through judicial review.
Thank you.
Okay, up next, Steve O'Connor on deck with Griffin.
My name is Steve O'Connor.
I'm a little dricks.
And I oppose the settlement program for the Tressel and Wildflower Subdivision.
And mostly I oppose it because these developers seem to want to special treatment.
They don't want to adhere to any rules.
They've just missed their opportunity in the past.
And now they want to go into the new codes which I don't feel as fair.
And I also don't feel like I also feel that most of the taxpayers in this county would not appreciate paying for their
Researches that they need to do in the future.
Thank you for coming.
Okay, Griffin on deck.
Abby Miven.
Hi, my name is Whit Griffin.
I'm from Alta Wilding.
I'm a local high school student and I'm commenting on the juvenile curfew ordinance.
The main thing I wanted to bring up is...
They're...
Sorry, there's kids that are misbehaving in the valley.
And there's kids that are not doing the right thing.
But there's also a large number of people that are going to get groceries,
going out and out of the hangout with their friends, doing nothing wrong.
And I don't think that it is fair to shut down like all travel after 12 p.m.
for those kids that are doing the right thing.
And like have the right to do that.
And especially in the summer when people are wanting to camp and be out.
And like, just enjoy the valley if it's not fair to everyone.
I also think that if a curfew was implemented,
I think it would be a wise decision to have either monthly or buy monthly regular meetings
to talk and discuss about how it's going.
Because I think that communication is valuable like not only in personal relationships,
but just like in a community like this too.
And if people were to be able to talk to each other and discuss how it's going
and things like the suggestions to change,
it could just help it go a lot better.
Thank you.
Appreciate that. That was great hearing from our youth.
Okay, Abby, Levin, and on deck, Toliet, Toliet.
Hi, my name is Abby Levin. I am a teen and student and a resident of Derrick's Idaho.
I would like to thank the commissioners for having me here today.
And I would like to comment on the juvenile curfew proposal.
So I feel like there are very little criminal issues in this town regarding teams.
I make this an appropriate ordinance to propose.
This ordinance doesn't feel in the spirit of the values I make our country great.
Our country was founded on the ideas of freedom.
How will this curfew give kids the chance to practice their freedom and learn?
Life experiences will also be taken away from many of these kids.
I believe it will create more conflict.
Between minors and law enforcement, leaving a little room to come to a middle ground.
The teams will feel targeted, which will then lead to hatred and also the lack of collaboration
with law enforcement. This ordinance doesn't allow kids to be kids. I, from personal experiences,
I have very reliable friends. Of course, like if I'm going to be out in Jackson for whatever
reason past 12 in the morning, I'm not going to, my dad knows where I am, but I'm not going to call
him to wake him up and ask him to pick me up. I'm going to call a friend. So I feel like it's unreasonable
to punish my friend for being a reliable friend and a good person to not only me and my dad, making sure
I get home safe and themselves. So they should not be punished for that. Nor should I, maybe a little bit
more of you, but. And I would also like to address my huge concern with this. So with this
her few, I worry that a lot of kids, my age, will still want to break her few law and they will
want to go out and not in town because law enforcement mainly stays in town. So I believe that they
will go out to places such as felt and they will, like, they're around a lot of farm equipment and
a lot of kids like to drink. So if they're drinking out and felt and they're driving really fast
or they'll cough around, they're going to get in trouble. They're going to get her, they'll be further
from home and it'll just like, I feel like it'll create more destruction in those kind of areas.
I believe I would like to propose an idea of more maybe limits on certain places after hours,
like maybe a limit on the skate park. For example, not saying that that should be a thing, but just
instead of having a curfew, maybe limit places that teens can be and also not getting parents in
trouble for this, unless it is a serious situation where both parents and child could be harmed.
Thank you for your time. Thank you. Your parents know where you are. Okay, Tilea on deck, on Zoom,
James Weber and if anybody else in the room wants to speak and didn't, we'll just have you come up afterwards.
So Tilea, are you still here? Okay, James Weber on line.
Morning, I'm going to comment on action item 11.2 and there's still no details and it's still
completely lapsed any transparency and the biggest concern is that none of the previous
Mr. Weber, can you speak closer to your mic? It's a little hard to hear you.
Yeah, can you hear me now? Okay. Yes. Yes. My biggest concern is that none of the previous
public comments from last month have been addressed. There's still no staff report,
no background contact, and there's still no transparency or details as to why this is
the best interest of the county, as well as Tilea County taxpayers. To finish the settlement date
in the very first sentence of the agreement states December 8, 2024, so I'm assuming that's made an error
and if it's not, it'd be helpful to know why it's activated in 2024. Thank you for letting me comment.
Okay, so anybody else in the room, just be sure to stay your name.
Up at the mic, so we can all hear you. Hi back again. So my name is Despeederson. I used to live in
drinks, but unfortunately due to extenuating circumstances of not being able to live on the property,
we have to move on. This is in regards to 8.1, the temporary structures. More and more people are living
in their campers, because it's cheaper, it's easier, and because land is so expensive.
And I'm just trying to figure out why if somebody is renting property, why they can't live the way they
want to live. If they're not hurting anybody, they're not hurting the environment, they're doing nothing wrong,
other than working, and trying to save money to buy a property. Like, there's so many
campers that people are living in all over this county, all over the country, for that matter,
more and more people are doing it, because it's easier and it's cheaper. I just want to be able to live
and work here in the valley, and if I can't live on the property that I'm leasing, then I can't be here,
and I don't want to leave the valley, but it seems like more and more people are getting forced out,
and it's just not right. If I'm renting property, I should be allowed to live on it,
whether I live in a camp or not. And I like the way I live. It's easy, it's cheap. I'm fully self-contained.
We do, we have solar and generator for power. We haul in our water, because we have a water trailer,
we have a company that comes in from St. Anthony, and MJ's our black tank.
So, we're not hurting the land in any way, shape or form. And I'm just turned it. I would like to see it
see, I guess, the thing to change, so people can live, or if you're going to keep going after certain
people, it needs to be straight across the world, because I know other people that live the same way I do,
on somebody else's land, and they're not getting harassed. They're not being forced to move, but I am.
So, if there's going to be an ordinance, it needs either to be straight across the board, or not at all,
or change, so that way people can live, and work here in the valley.
Thank you.
Okay, anyone else?
And there, anybody else online? Raise your hand, turn your camera on.
Okay. Well, we appreciate everyone's participation. I think, I do want to say I apologize to
Emma for having her have to wake her daughter up, but as a point of order, the chair does have the
authority to move the gender around, and I did that for a reason, so that you could hear what the
prosecution could say, and just as importantly, so that they could hear what you had to say,
and I think it was the right thing to do, but I apologize for the convenience that made it
for anybody, and I apologize to our own staff for their times being pushed way back. We're kind of
too hour and behind now, but that's kind of a common denominator in this county's government.
But anyway, thank you for your time. Bailey, did you have anything you wanted to
add before I close this discussion?
I would just say, thank you, and I think this has been a really awesome discussion. I really appreciate
everyone who took the time to read these things and come in and offer ideas, and I actually
think they're taking notes. I think there have been some really awesome suggestions, and we're going to
back the office, and yeah, continue to think about some wording, and if anyone has any of
better ideas about specific language, by all means, send them our way. A lot of these things that
are very, very drafting legislation, very, very tough, because as kind of came up in the other
matter, you need to have things that apply equally, you can discriminate, you got constitutional, you know,
age-raised gender type things that you can include. It's very tough, so long story short, it's a work
in progress, and we tried hard to come up with good ideas, but there's still great ideas out there,
and keep them coming, if anyone has any other ideas that it would, they think should be considered.
Thank you. All right, commissioners, I don't know if commissioner James is on, commissioner
power did you have anything you wanted to comment on before we leave, not leave, but before not move on?
Yeah, I just wanted to thank everybody for, you know, a lot of very heartfelt comments,
it was pretty moving and powerful, and I think it was the Emily Billshire that brought up the
idea. We're pointing out that we already have a working group who gets together, monthly, working on
youth issues, so that might be a good vehicle for reviewing this and coming up with a good path forward.
Okay, all right, so with that, let's move on to item number six, there will be still a week.
Okay, six point one, public works upgrade.
Thank you for taking time to come in, Bailey, and
morning commissioner, sterile johnson public works director, I think we can be pretty quickly through my agenda.
I'm going to start with my public works report for some notables in there that I want to talk about.
Trial Creek Bridge update, Trial Creek Bridge, 9500 south between sea highway 33 and old Jackson highway.
We've been working on that, most of the summer. We've got all of the channel work done, the
abutments are done, we've got the bridge deck in place, they're working on putting
the guardrail on and then we're going to put a temporary wearing surface on that, the gravel wearing
surface will come back in the spring when the temps are back to where we can pave and we'll pave that
section from state highway 33 beyond the bridge. So you do foresee that being open and then
or if you should be open within the next two and three weeks. Yes, yes.
Talk a little bit about the search and rescue building update. This has been a piecemeal thing.
It's been frustrating for all parties involved. We started out with not enough money to do things
and we keep getting money, which is a good thing, but it just drags the contract on and it's been
drug out longer than it should have been. The good news is that we've identified funding to
pour a concrete floor. We're working on pouring that floor. It's going to be done in three pours.
Pour it one pour last week and we've got two this week and we should be done with the floor by the end of
this week and then we'll move on to installing the bathroom like we talked about, which gets search and
rescue in that building. Search and rescue has commented that they're not interested in
mobilizing or moving any of their equipment into the new building until everything's done. I
our road and bridge department has equipment that's outside and there's equipment from emergency
management that is occupying space at road and bridge that we could use to store equipment for the
winter so we may be moving some things around and asking emergency management to move equipment into
the building if that's okay with city building department in order for us to shuffle some things around and
get everything put away. I'm sure we'll talk more about that. The next item I have on here is the
snow plow request for 7,000 northwest west 7,000 north. We have a draft online and this draft was
created before I was even came on board with the county and it's a scoring system and it's it's
relies heavily on densities but it has some some some topics that include widths and shoulder
obstructions and a turnaround ability. Most of the folks that come in and ask us to add their road,
their county road to our county plow map don't don't meet the the minimum criteria showing on this
criteria rating sheet of 50. This one does. I don't know how to move forward. We've had conversations
with past commissioners. I've tried to move this thing forward. It's one of those things that gets
put on the back burner and then and then finally makes it way to the front. We get preoccupied. This
year it was with the road map and we're trying to clean up the road map before we address the county
plow map. Right now we're plowing as much as we can. We're plowing 250 miles. I think and in the county
map is put together and I've said this often. Our whole department is staffed around plowing efforts.
So if we add this this isn't an impossible ask but if we add this and there's going to be others
that are going to come in and there are others that are qualified in a scoring system to be plow.
So I hesitate to add this to the list but I don't know how else to proceed in getting others on the list
to where homes are developing in areas where they haven't been in the past.
Yeah, yeah. Maybe it's a I know the commissioner powers and James aren't here and maybe
it's a conversation to have it a later date when everybody's here and we can talk face to face.
Yeah, I think I think we need to know of what it would entail to do that and how it would impact
you guys and what the what the ramification would be so that we can make a logical decision and not only
I hear what you're saying about 7, 7, 7, 7, maybe there's other roads that actually score even higher than they do
that you're still not doing because they don't reach them anywhere you do with those. Right. It does create a props.
But I don't. I guess yeah, I can talk with Blaine. We can put something together
that shows the impacts in potential other areas that apply in the past where provide examples
of of asks that are similar to this that that that might create bigger issues than just this. Yeah.
Okay, we can we can we can try to put something on the next agenda for that.
Okay. Commissioner powers, you agree with that? Yes. Yeah, that sounds good.
There's some action items coming up, so I won't go into these other two things, but solid waste.
A couple of notables are solid waste. Supervisor has prepared the fiscal year 2025 report.
Dan does a great job in putting together a summary of the previous fiscal year, and then rad is required to submit reports every quarter, and that is the report that they commonly submit.
In the annual report prepared by Dan, you'll see that our diversion is up from previous years, and it's a good thing, and I think he's crediting most of that to our sorting pad.
And the sorting pad building is a new addition, and it's been quite successful, and we expect even more success in the near future.
Questions about my report? Other items you'd like to talk about?
No, I assume you're leaving the last two, because there's actions, I don't want to.
Yes, there's action items. I don't have anything to do with commissioner powers.
No, I just want to thank Dan and Darel for continuing to work on that diversion rate. I think that saves a lot money.
So, good work there.
I may have deleted some things. What's next on?
So, I'll try to work my way through it, and not try to pull it up while I'm talking.
We have it in our fiscal year for this year to expire one of our cat, or not our cat, one of our motor graters.
We have a 2013 John Deer that we're proposing to turn in, and like I said, we budgeted for that in the fiscal year, 2026.
Budget session, it's in our road bridge, budget the first year of a five year standard five year lease.
What we're proposing is to trade the John Deer in lease this piece of equipment, at least for five years.
We've talked about this in the past and the lease agreement versus purchasing.
The lease agreement comes with maintenance and warranty for that five years.
We're required to keep the mileage or the hours down. We're confident that we'll keep that.
We've never had a problem keeping the hours down.
And what that gives us the opportunity to do at the end of the five years is purchase.
And we have done that in the past. We've just financed it for an additional five years.
Not something that's been common the last little while.
Lane can talk to you about death in his concerns about diesel engines.
And in the reasons more detail, the reasons why we have opted to go with leases in recent years.
But this action item is to trade and owned John Deer, 2013, motor grader in for a lease on a new 2025 catapult motor grader.
What's the estimated value of that 2013 that we owned?
The value they're giving us for is $60,000 trade and value.
I think that's a fair number.
You know where I'm going.
Does it make any kind of sense to figure out a way to keep that grader?
Or would we need another employee if we kept it?
We've kept motor graders in the past and like I said, we've migrated more towards leases than owning.
And even when we owned motor graders, we would lease them for the first five years.
Then we would take out a loan for another five years.
After about 10 years, the equipment gets extremely expensive to maintain.
Three or four years ago, we ran into some really heavy maintenance in Bois.
There's $40,000, $60,000.
We just don't feel like it's worth maintaining that once again.
That's my question.
Ask that 10 year mark.
Talking about snowing, we don't have an extra grader having, you know, don't just admit at some point that if it's not doesn't make monetary sense,
and it doesn't.
That's what we don't feel when we're done.
Questions?
I don't think so.
Do you have any questions for we go to a motion?
Commissioner?
Powers?
No, no.
So I'd make a motion that we approved the 60-month lease of Western State's Calcutta
Pillar for the 2025 Cat 150 ADWD motor grader as presented.
The $60,000 year one payment to be paid from 202-00-8020.
I'll second that.
Move to the second.
All the favor?
Aye?
Okay.
Boating with unanimous for those of you.
Thank you.
Kim, what's the next one on the edge?
Waste collection, exclusive franchises agreement.
So this one should be pretty simple.
We've talked about this and we actually had a special meaning about the franchise agreement.
One of the first things we did was we eliminated sections,
section 20 of the original franchise agreement.
We talked about other things and we haven't had a chance to get with our waste collection
provider and hash out the details of the modifications to the agreement.
But what this does is it solidifies the conversation in the action item.
It memorializes the action item that was approved.
It's a simply a document that is an amendment or a men's, the original contract.
And all it does is it removes section 20 and it's entirety.
And we did talk about this and we all agree that this is the one part of the whole agreement.
We decided to move forward all right away.
Correct.
Questions on that one?
I don't.
No.
I don't either.
Okay, since I'm here, I'll make the motion again.
I'll make a motion to approve amendment A as presented.
We're removing section 20 from the original exclusive franchise agreement for collection and disposal
and materials in Teton County dated August 12, 2015.
Removal section 20 was discussed and approved on the September 23rd,
2025 special board meeting of the county commissioners.
I'll second that.
Moving to second any further discussion.
Commissioner James is still not back on.
Okay.
All in favor.
Aye.
Motion carries.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Thank you.
Law enforcement center heat system.
So the law enforcement center, we've talked about this and on the 24th of last month,
the Board of County commissioners declared this that the failed heating system at the law enforcement
center of state of emergency.
And what that provides me the benefit of doing is selecting a contractor,
exempt from public works bidding requirements.
Which would have drug this out or extended the selection process another three or four weeks.
So since that time we've been working or we've asked around the valley.
A really good source.
It turns out is is the school district maintenance supervisor.
He highly recommended premier engineer premier energy controls as.
HVAC company to work with to put a heating and cooling system together for the LEC and moving forward.
We've budgeted $250,000 for the replacement of that system.
We we suspected we were going to have to invest heavily in the HVAC system.
We didn't expect it to happen this soon.
The proposal that's in place is is installing eight individual heat pumps.
Commonly referred to as many split systems.
Each system has the ability to control four zones independent of each other.
So the installation of those eight units.
Purchase of the equipment installation of the system.
Renovating the air circulation so that it it works well with these many split or these heat pump units.
Electrical rewiring for the units and then we've talked to the roof company or the roof manufacturer and they.
We can preserve our warranty by going through them and this bid includes having them help us preserve that warranty.
So all in cost estimated for the system I've described is $257,430.
That's again $7,430 more than we've budgeted for.
I can find that even in this line item I think we may have enough in this line.
You said I've got $250,000 so you're in $250,000.
More at $250,000 or $257,440.
So there is $259 budgeted in that line item but none of that was designated towards new key cards.
And new key cards system.
This is more important.
I think we can find money to move around if we end up going if we end up going over this.
I don't know how I like to know where it's coming from.
So that extra $5,000 over the $250,000 here has to do with the roof.
And the warranty is that what you're saying or because what you had the breakdown I have is.
Mechanical to 11 make up area in 21 electrical 19 change for $252.
And then roof replacement.
Okay, so what's the roof that's what I did to see here.
Okay.
All right.
Oh, I should have kept going.
That seems good to me, Darrell.
Thanks for getting us done in short order.
Glad we got a pass forward.
I think I've heard a lot of good things about the mini split systems.
So hopefully that'll be a good, a good system for us.
Yeah, Darrell explained to me that one nice thing about this system.
Whereas when we lost part of this system in the last years,
it degraded the whole system.
And now if one of these goes out, it doesn't affect the rest of it.
And that is a good thing.
And the other positive to that is we can, we can, as we get each of the eight units online,
we can start flowing hot air into those zones in the building and not have to wait for it all to be done before we can start pumping warm air into the building.
Commissioner power, do you have that motion in front of you?
Do you want me to wait?
I do.
I want to say one thing before, Darrell, it might be a good idea.
Be good to track our, our lectures and usage before and after just to see if I think these things that they're pretty efficient.
So hopefully they'll save us some money on operating costs.
Right. Right.
I'll move to approve the purchase and installation of the wrong enforcement center,
eating and cooling system by premier energy controls as presented,
estimate what to exceed cost of 257,500 to be paid from 0,0001, 17,0005,000.
All second fat, all in favor?
Aye. Aye. Aye.
Okay. Motion carries. You're done.
It's been a while. One evening.
How?
Joe and bridge temporary housing next.
So we've talked about, this is another item we've talked about in the past.
Blaine has this year, our road bridge supervisor and road bridge department have more than ever folks that are
that are employed from the Rexburg area and having them up here on nights where we know that we're going to have to
plow the next morning instead of taking a chance that they can get back here from the Rexburg area in order to plow for us.
We've talked about securing some temporary housing.
We've had this conversation, I think, at the last meeting.
The most reasonable source we found is through reserving a room through the bond bronze buffalo temporary housing.
They have temporary housing in the summer and they offer that to employees and for employee housing.
They do it for the hospital and they do it for other companies in the wintertime.
What we're proposing is a two bath bunk that comes with a full, a two bed, a room with two bunks that comes with a full bath.
And then there's a common area for a kitchen.
Cost for this is 750 a month.
We're proposing to lease a room, December through April.
That puts us at $3,750.
And we have a contingency account in road bridge that is set at 5,000.
I'm just proposing we use that contingency.
Insecure temporary housing for our employees so they can stay the night when we know that they're going to have to plow in one.
All right, we discussed this. I think this is a high priority for one or more months.
Commissioner power, any questions, comments?
No.
Well, yes. Let's get it done.
I would move to approve the road bridge temporary housing through the bronze buffalo from December through April at 750 a month as presented total cost of $3,750 to be paid from account $2,000.
Excuse me, $2,000, $2,000, dash 4, 2, 3, 2, 6.
I'll second that.
Move to second, all in favour? Aye. Aye.
Okay, motion carries.
My last action item?
Food compost, steady.
Oh, I've still got to go. I've got more.
Oh, that is. That's the tea time spring, so.
So we're required to come in front of the Board of County Commissioners every time we propose to apply for grant funding in, in, I think, in my opinion, the reason for this is,
so that the County Commissioners understand that any any fiscal impacts that's required of the county should we get these grants.
The tea time springs foundation, grant application is due on the 12th of this month, so it doesn't give them much time.
But TVCR has offered to write a grant or submit a grant on behalf of tea time county for a compost feasibility, a food compost,
feasibility study. They came to us last week, actually, they came to us a couple weeks ago and reminded me last week that I promised to put this on the agenda.
Our solid way supervisor Dan O'Donnell, hugely in support of this feasibility study.
The total amount that we're allowed to apply for through this grant opportunity is $20,000.
TVCR has estimated a study to cost $35,000.
They've committed to that that leaves us with a deficit of $15,000.
They've committed to matching what the county would match, so each entity, the TVCR in the county, would put up $15,000.
Each if we were to be awarded this grant and then we would have $35,000 for the food composting feasibility study.
I'm proposing that the $7,500 comes from our contractive professional services budget line item.
We have money in there right now in the road and bridge budget questions.
I'm going to leave this one up to you if you feel this is really a good idea.
I'm going to support you.
Yes, I think it is.
So it is a Dan hugely supports the idea of the feasibility study Dan O'Donnell.
Yeah, I think it's a great idea.
I was just wondering why our shared it would come out of road and bridge and not solid waste.
Is it say road and bridge?
It's solid waste.
Okay.
I'd like to ask.
Solid waste, commissioner, powers.
Okay.
All right.
I'll take it out of the room.
I can't remember it.
All right.
I'll make a motion to approve the Teton Springs grant application proposal for $20,000 to fund a food compost feasibility study as presented estimated
county match of $7,500 to be paid from account two to three to $0,000.
Yes, four, four, zero, zero, zero.
I'll second that.
Move in second it all in favor.
Aye.
Motion carries.
That was quick.
That's all I have.
All right.
I'll thank you for me.
I don't think I do.
Commissioner, powers and equations of Darrell.
No, no, no, I'm good for now.
All right.
Thank you, Darrell.
All right.
Greg, you have 30 seconds.
Hello.
I thought we can pull that one off.
All right.
Good morning.
And a few items to go through eight exactly.
So, uh, start with the monthly report.
We interviewed 10 candidates for our IT intern and our state funded apprenticeship programs.
So that's a great response on interest on those.
Selected up for candidates and we're going to move forward.
The state one, uh, doesn't get approved by the board.
Because the state of prison, but that.
All right.
Local and intern one is being provided for later on in this meeting.
Regional hospitals have requested the regional emergency managers work with them to create an appendix
to our regional donation plan to include, um, handling mass casual incidents across the region.
So we are working to accomplish that with our hospital partners.
Um, Australian our first planning on January 8th.
There's no, for a answer on our is 2025.
Statement Security program grant money yet.
We are working on developing the projects.
The clock is ticking.
Um, so we have about nine months from now to get it all done.
Instead of the three years.
Um, so anyway, we're still kind of in the middle on that.
Um, because of our history with hosting several street classes,
we had, uh, the Norwich University of Playa,
Research Institute approaches to, uh, post one of their pilot programs for,
set of security and a resource constraint requirement for public utilities.
So, you hosting that in a genuine, adult falls.
Any questions on the report?
Back to the homeland grant.
Yeah, what is, what is that amount of grant?
What's it, what is it specifically for?
Yeah, there's a list of what you can.
Authorize equipment, nice.
Okay.
So.
Would it be mostly for equipment?
Yeah, this one, especially.
I just guess, just to short.
Turn around again.
It's like, we won't have time to do any kind of planning projects or anything like that.
We're just up in a by step and give the inverses faster.
We can't.
Good.
We're working with the first responder agencies on that.
Commissioner powers.
Any questions on the report?
No.
Okay.
All right.
Moving on to the first action item.
Email and online services renewal.
It's time to renew that.
Um, 37,000 budget funds.
It's actually a bit of a cost savings of what we thought it was going to be.
So, grateful for that.
Just donate the rest back to the journal fund if you would.
I don't have any questions on that.
Yeah.
I'm good.
I'll move to approve the renewal of our email and online services.
Or at 37,000 from account.
1-14-4-067.
All second fat.
All in favor?
I.
Motion carries.
All right.
Next one is the T10 County AI policy.
Um, after careful research and consulting with the Idaho County's
Rest Management Program, our insurance provider.
And, uh, legal team.
We've come up with, uh, an AI policy to help our employees know how to navigate the
often murky waters of using AI in the workplace.
Uh, so we have that presented for the board for their, for your approval.
Um, you've tried to reach out.
You've actually talked about it in the Department of Meeting once as well.
Everybody had a chance to look at it.
Uh, I think we're ready to move forward.
That's all right.
I just skim through it.
It, it, it, it, it makes sense to you.
That's the important thing.
It looks, it looked, it looked fine to me.
But I, I don't really have any questions.
Um, I just know it's becoming more and more necessary.
I need to have the policy.
So.
I'm, I'm okay with it.
Commissioner powers.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm fine with that again.
I defer to Greg on this one.
Yeah.
Um.
That's all that I know anything about.
Okay.
I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve the T-time county.
AI policy dated December 2025.
As attached.
Okay.
Excellent.
I'll submit.
Okay.
All in favor.
Aye.
Okay.
Motion carries.
All right.
Next.
All right.
Uh.
Winner.
2026 semester.
IT.
Intern.
So you select your successful candidate.
There's a little time.
Handsome.
Uh.
So 50 dollars an hour.
For 400 hours.
Um.
It's required for their degree program.
And it helps us out immensely in the IT department.
We're able to.
Uh.
Transient top of all that issues.
That we get to face.
In the questions.
We did.
Yeah.
And we're pretty.
What do you have to do with the hiring?
I'm going to go to the job.
Gosh.
Power's in the questions.
Uh.
Nope.
Uh.
We'll move your approach.
Approach.
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You're.
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Okay.
Motion carries.
All right.
Uh.
Next action item.
Uh.
group. There's going to be four or five IT related presentations for the commissioners and
folks. If you want to be there to help answer questions. This is just for you. Yeah. Okay.
Any questions on 18 minutes? All right. You have it in your travel budget. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have an issue.
I think you're, especially if you're a charge of it. Yeah.
Yeah. Can you share your powers in your questions? Well, I was given a nice drink for
being such a, such a statewide leader. I'll move to approve Greg Adams to attend the IDOL
Association of Counties, meeting January 26th and 27th and Boise. I'll second that all in favor. I,
Aye. Motion carries. All right. Our next three action items are pretty special.
We have a chance to recognize some amazing people that work for the county that are moving on to the
next stage of their lives in retirement and have some resolutions recognizing them.
Okay. All right. All right. All right. You want to move. You want to go ahead to a different one. Start with Marine.
Okay. She's the longest serving person that we're recognizing today. And if it's okay with the board
if you could greet, I'd love to. As a solution and we'll shake their hands and you can high five until the
last minute. Let me just get to it here. Okay. Would you mind coming forward while we read this?
So we can recognize you. Thank you. Any of this was happening? We tried to
Greg tries to surprise everybody. Whereas Marine Green Chief Deputy Treasurer will retire
after more than 24 years about standing and Maritoria's Public Service to Teton County,
IDOL Treasury Treasurer Department and whereas Marine has begun her local career with key bank
formally value bank as a teller and whereas Marine further further her work experience as at the local
hospital and medical records then worked at American land title which become a lion's title
and the bank of commerce and whereas as a result of continued diligent work and demonstrated
ability she advanced her esteem career of increasing responsibility with her employment with Teton
County in 2001 in the Teton County clerk recorded department and whereas in recognition of her
excellent skills professionalism and commitment to hard work. Marine was hired and the
Treasurer Department in 2014 as a result of her diligent work concentrated customer focused and
perseverant she as continued her public service until now which is highly commendable. Teton
County is proud of her excellent dedication and her service in her tenure as Chief Deputy Treasurer
and whereas throughout her many years the public service. Marine has served Teton County and the
residence of Teton Valley with Fairness and Dedication whereas Marine has earned the admiration
respect of her co-workers and county leadership for her dedication and enthusiasm professionalism
since of humor and hard work. Therefore be it resolved that we the Board of County Commission
should hear by extent to more in-green. Our sincere and grateful appreciation for her dedicated
public service to Teton County and the residents of the Teton Valley. Our congratulations on her
well earned retirement and her best wishes to marine for continuous success happiness and good health
good health in the years to come. Board of Justice approved Board of Teton County Board of
County Commissioners. Thank you. Well let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's
I'd like to make a motion to
ratify this resolution as red for Marine Green
is there a second yeah second that and thank you so so much Marine really appreciate it. Thank you.
Motion carries. Thank you. Now I'll shake your hand. Thank you very much for your work.
Next on a list is Kim Christianson.
Commissioner, would you like to do the honors on this one? Do you have it there?
So, whereas Kim Christianson will retire after more than 11 years of outstanding public service,
to take on county IDO, a censor department, and whereas Kim began her career with take on county in the Department of Motor Vehicles in 2014, and whereas, as a result of continued diligent work and demonstrated ability, she had thanks to career with the censor department as deputy assessors several years later.
And whereas, in reputation of her increasing responsibility, excellence, skills and professionalism, commitment to hard work, Kim transitioned to the position of senior deputy, as a result of her diligent work, she has continued her public service until now, which is highly commendable.
Deacon County is proud of her excellent dedication and public service in her tenure as senior deputy assessor.
And whereas, throughout her many years with Deacon County, Kim has served Deacon County in the residents, with her customer focus and dedicated public official public service.
And whereas, Kim has earned the admiration and respect of co-workers, the county leadership for dedication, enthusiasm, professionalism, sense of humor and hard work, therefore be it resolved that we, the Board of County Commissioners,
with your by extended Kim Christianson, our sincere and grateful appreciation of her dedicated public service to Deacon County, and the residents of Teacon Valley, our congratulations on her well-earned retirement, and our best wishes to Kim, or continue success, happiness and good help in the years to come.
Thank you. I'd like to move to ratify this resolution 2025-1208B for Kim Christianson.
I'll say that.
Okay, move in second and all in favor, aye.
Aye.
Motion carries.
Thank you very much, Kim.
Thank you.
All right, final one is Ron Krillard-Dini.
You've hiding back there.
Well, aye.
Okay, resolution 2025-1208C.
This is a resolution honoring Ron Krillard-Dini.
I don't know why I had a problem with that anyway.
Whereas Ron Krillard-Dini will retire after more than nine years of outstanding public service to Teacon County Idaho,
including his work in emergency management and with the Masido abatement district, and whereas Ron began his career at Teacon County in the engineering management department in 26th.
Thank you.
In the emergency management department, in 2016, bringing with him extensive experience from his work in California and Colorado,
and whereas Ron used his expertise to help protect the citizens and visitors of Teacon County from all hazards, including flooding wildfires,
a landslide, mosquito-borne disease, the impact of a solar eclipse, and global pandemic, and whereas Ron consistently demonstrated diligent diligence
and professionalism in preparing Teacon County for emergencies through managing homeland security grants, planning and mitigating mitigation projects,
disaster exercises and directing the Masido abatement district, and whereas Teacon County has proud of Ron's exceptional dedication and public service throughout his tenure as energy management,
emergency management technician and Masido abatement district director.
And whereas Ron has earned the admiration and respect of co-workers and county leadership for his knowledge, his policies, contracts,
resolution, exercise design, emergency operation, center management and hard work.
Therefore, be it resolved that we, the Board of County Commissioners, are here by extent to Ron Carl, thank you.
Sorry. Carl time, our sincere and grateful appreciation for the dedicated public service to Teacon County,
and the residents of Teacon Valley, and we offer our congratulations on his well-earned retirement along with our best wishes to Ron for continuous success,
happiness and good health in the years to come. I've always just known you as Ron.
I'll make a motion that we adopt or we adopt resolution 2025-128C, and we ratify the same for as as red
for Ron's retirement and recognition.
Yeah, I'll second that end. Thank Ron, very deeply.
All right, moved and seconded all in favor.
Hi.
Motion carries.
Thank you, Ron. We appreciate you, sir.
You've done anything else for me?
Not that I know of.
All right. Thank you very much.
Okay.
So, Commissioner, we got a little bit of eyes.
You think?
There are some items involved in it.
People who are here?
Yeah.
We have an executive session scheduled at 10.
We probably had to do that before we hear that.
We're going to say that we've got the appropriate to remind you that I don't know what to do.
There's a discussion about license drive.
There's a discussion about license drive in the agenda.
I understand the attorney for that party's president.
Okay.
Yeah, I think we probably should do that first.
Yeah, and then come back and try to get you up.
And then the other thing, we had a few years with just elected officials.
And we have one elected official, two elected officials out of town, one of those things.
Maybe we should just pass on that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Not postponed.
I'm not passed, but postponed.
Okay.
Thank you.
So let's go ahead and move to item 9.2, which is a discussion item on license drive.
And do we want to hear from you, Joshua, or do we want to hear from the applicant?
Or not applicant, but I could see it a little bit more.
I mean, is that should windy be here for this?
Okay.
I don't see it.
I'll apologize for us being behind.
I didn't.
I knew it the longest morning.
I didn't expect two hours that we'll get it done as best we can.
Try to accommodate everybody soon as soon as he's here.
So when they do we want to hear from you first.
Okay.
Mr. Schultz is going to hear from you if you want first.
Okay.
Here we go.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Since you're behind all things, I'll definitely be conscious of time.
And and actually in the effort of I already sent a detailed timeline to the commissioners.
I never heard the county.
This field process starting back from May of 2024.
As well as, I think, you already noted policy.
My attorneys here and then fill one of my case.
And I'm not going to go through all that detail.
That's why I wanted to go ahead and send it to you.
So you can review it your time.
But what I wanted to do is just briefly cover just since we've had legal counsel and then look
or I think we do have a resolution here at the end.
But just so you can kind of get an idea of kind of the way the process been.
If that's acceptable about you.
Okay.
So I'm going to do is just start at July 3rd.
That's when Mr. Rollins has pulled in and he had contacted us.
So let us know you'll be the point of contact for the county going forward.
And then sorry about point we'd reached out for basically some options.
Because what we're doing is trying to get the C about process.
Here's a remedy.
Because we do know that we've had some errors in the past.
And we're just trying to repeat that to move forward.
But August 19th, we heard back from him and at that point it seemed like the county was open
to an infrared inspection.
And so we started working on that process of working with vendors for that.
But once we did that, the main concern for the county really has been the demise of all the firewall.
There wasn't enough temperature variance.
So the way that is we actually pivoted and did an X-ray inspection.
And we utilized the inspector out of Boise that was referred to as biogenaries.
And actually this inspector, this inspector actually done some work for fields on home's 30-time reserve.
So he's a known commodity.
So we were optimistic about that.
But we moved to August 20th, August 28th to what the county knew that we were setting that up for September 4th.
So they can attend a feedback and never heard anything back.
But we went ahead and proceeded with that inspection.
Just again, since he was a referral from the county, we thought we were safe with that.
911, we delivered that inspection to Andrew then on October 2nd.
We received a response back from Andrew and from Dan.
It seemed pretty optimistic at that point that we were able to list some information from it.
But still had some questions.
We might have to open up some walls, different things like that, which we are absolutely open to do.
However, October 9th, we got another response that nobody actually inspection would not be any benefit.
And we needed to work with our engineer to have them advise on how to inspect.
October 13th, we requested a commissioner meeting at that point.
But we never did get put on one.
Then we got to November 5th and still not time we really hadn't had any resolution on kind of that October 9th.
But I worked with our engineer and he actually did go ahead and put together an engineer letter of how to inspect the property to make sure the structural integrity of the property is met.
Then on 1110, we got feedback on that.
Just three main concerns.
One is didn't address the firewall.
Two, some concerns were on that he was taken into a section that it was built to plans inspects,
which we really didn't have a reason to say it wasn't at the real world.
In an engineer noted to open up a couple places within the property to validate a couple of things.
But there was concern because it was left open to the builder to determine where to open those up.
And that was mainly just so as minimally evasive to the property.
So 1117, the engineer took another stab at it.
And on December 1st, we got feedback on that.
There were still concerns that we didn't address the firewall.
And then Andrew mentioned that there were some photos he was expecting from the county, which I think I had all those,
because I'd set up a Google Drive for all of us and all the ones that were provided to us and I've given those to Andrew.
And then most recently, and actually this is what's just got a look at local address on time.
As of yesterday, I actually have a 30-10 from our engineer and he specifically addresses the firewall and where to address different points to address the,
you know, structural integrity of the property again.
And I delivered that to Andrew yesterday in which I think he was delivering it to the county today.
And so, so basically, the summation of all of us is we're just hoping to kind of give you this five months snapshot,
gives you a great snapshot of local last year and a half spent on this.
And all we're doing is just looking to hopefully have a resolute direction on how to remedy this.
And most importantly, that we're just able to work in it.
You know, timely or responsive manner because this has taken such a long time.
But that engineer report also as well. I email that to you with the timeline. So if you want to review that later, again, being conscious of the time. So that was the main thing. I wanted to cover all or, or fill. Is there anything that you wanted to add or maybe I missed?
I don't know, maybe I need, maybe I was parlocked or, well.
I think you're on the other side, but I don't think we can't hear you very well.
Oh, yeah, I don't think it's underneath in a car.
Okay.
You're at the red dam.
Okay, finally let me hear.
So I'm mostly just here observing. I will let the commissioners know that I've been working closely with Mr. Rollings and it's been a pleasure to work with him.
I think at this point, I would reserve the right to say something that Mr. Schultz covered what we had to say.
So we're just really helpful. We can move this along. There are some real deadlines on our end.
And we just need to know what the hurdle is. We need to know how we can overcome it because there's some real damage that could occur to my client.
But that's all I have in this. You have specific questions for me.
I think Eric's better qualified. He's been on the ground. He knows exactly what's going on here.
Okay.
Wendy, do you have any comments there?
So, some specific direction.
Then I had not had a chance to look at the most recent correspondence the email. I know it's in my inbox that I'm working through.
Although this came in through the weekend before I get to that one.
I will look at it today and see what it has on it and then consult with Andrew and make sure we're all on the same page to get a response.
Okay.
Eric, I just want you to know as missioners, we're aware of this. I was in one of the first meetings with the contractor and building department, director and Dan Reyes.
Yeah.
There's no emphasis to see this come to a close better than I do. I just think,
Well, are we all going to read that right?
Yeah.
There are some specific requirements that have been there since the first, since we're in the very first meeting.
I think there was a question at one point as to, and frankly, if I'm wrong,
that we asked for an engineer to look at it and document that it was, in fact, safe and proper.
And I think he took another avenue and took pictures and then wanted us to verify from what he gave us.
And I think part of the problem has been it's, we didn't feel we were qualified or had the responsibility to look at those pictures and say,
Okay, it's okay. We were banking on a structural engineer to do that.
I'm a structural engineer and or an architect to help us verify what we should have been able to see during construction.
I think that's where the real hiccup is.
Yeah, that's right.
And having seen multiple locations in some of the photographs that we have that we can see construction was not done.
According to the plans that were approved leads us then to our concern about what other areas might have been done in similar fashion.
So hopefully the email today will have a little bit more information from the engineer and we can keep plugging away on it.
But from our standpoint, we will do our very best and you have us all backing you from the point of we want to get it done and we will move as rapidly as we possibly can.
That's all we can ask for. I do appreciate it.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right. Anything else before we leave, you ever want to say?
Okay.
Well, thank you.
Appreciate it.
Okay.
So, let's move, go ahead and move to executive section.
And then session.
For Idaho code.
Or is it here? Or yeah.
74 dash 206 dash 1 dash f for legal.
And if Ron's going to be in there, shall I have him come on.
Should we wait for him to vote or can he can we vote to move in?
Or could he be going in there?
Can Ron join us or do you need to be here for the vote to go into executive session?
No.
We can do this.
We have a whole more present.
We know that the more can do that to go into executive session.
All right.
Let's see if we can get him to move back online.
We're a quick.
And then we're going to have to have you zoom in and take your mouth out.
Okay.
Well, we can just go in.
We're out of here.
I'll get you one more, and we'll see what happens.
You could've been in his backstroke and else.
Okay.
I think we have to do what we've got to do.
So I've made a motion to move into executive session.
Is there a second?
I'll second that.
Okay.
Rook all vote.
Yes.
Okay.
So.
Let's.
So.
That.
There.
Just under the.
I think we're going to have to eat in public today.
Yeah.
We are recording.
Yeah.
There.
We'll just get back here.
Okay.
So.
You have done.
That.
You like.
Right.
Oh.
All right.
We're back live.
We'll.
Make a motion to come out of executive session.
There.
Second.
Okay.
All in favor.
I.
All right.
Okay.
So we're now going to move.
I think because we're so late and I think everybody that is left here.
Is looking at.
11.2.
Let's go ahead and move to there.
So you don't have to sit and wait on as any longer.
And my apologies.
Okay.
So.
Item 11.2 is a settlement agreement with.
Liberty LLC.
And Derby development.
For stressors and wire.
Wild.
Wild flower subdivision.
Applications.
Do you want to hear from Joshua.
Commission powers.
On the settlement agreement?
Yeah.
On.
I'm.
I'm good.
Okay.
Yeah.
Was he got something new to.
I can.
Add.
Okay.
I'll go ahead and.
Let's see if I can find.
I can't find that motion.
But I think I can make one.
With.
Consideration of item number 11.2.
I would like to make a motion to.
Continue this action until the December 22 meeting.
For for further.
Legal.
Consultation.
Does that cover it.
Is that.
Yeah.
I'll second that.
Okay.
We've been second it all in favor.
I.
Thank you.
Motion carries.
Sorry for that guys.
I.
I just.
We.
We need to do it.
We need to.
So.
All right.
Mr. Paul.
What's.
Okay.
We have a time on that one.
So we just go through and do the ones that everyone's waiting on and then go back and.
Kind of clean up the.
That's.
You can.
Sure.
I'm not sure.
I'm.
What's.
Mr. Paul, which one here for.
I.
Here.
For.
I thought so.
Okay.
All right.
So let's.
Let's go ahead and move to.
Northern lights.
Um.
Let's see if I had a 13.6.
Um.
Which is a final written decision.
Joshua.
Um.
Thank you commissioners.
Um.
We have prepared a final written decision or a written decision for the.
More than light subdivision final plan rather and.
Um.
First I would say that I apologize that I.
Wasn't.
Being very close attention when that motion was made.
Um.
I probably would have encouraged a little bit of further discussion or clarification on the conditions that were added.
Um.
Specifically.
Um.
The conditions include that the development agreement be updated to include a proportional share of improvements to.
1550 West and then that the board county commissioners would subsequently approve any changes to that updated development agreement.
I thought that was already specified as to what that was going to be.
So 7,000 North is already addressed in the development agreement that the county would supply materials and that because would make improvements.
1750 West was the road that had been sort of in question from my perspective as to whether the county wanted to try to require any additional improvements that road.
And I am not sure where this motion puts us exactly or where this condition puts us exactly it.
From my perspective, it suggests the applicant we want you to identify and contribute a proportion of proportion to share.
But that typically is determined by the traffic impact analysis saying here are the deficiencies.
The plan it costs to remedy that and here's what you know based on that cost and you're.
Expected you know level of traffic.
What yield this certain amount of money that would be contributed and so I don't know that we you know from the applicants perspective the county had made improvements to that road.
And hadn't identified here's a dollar amount.
For additional improvements that we're planning to do in a specific time frame.
And talking to Darrell, the county does not have a specific plan for additional improvements to 1750 West currently.
And so, I don't know how we make that determination of, here's the cost to make improvements, here's what the proportion of the share would be.
So, I don't, I don't know how to give you any or the applicant any clarity as to what the intent and the expectation is for them to meet this specific.
It was my impression that we had this question during the last meeting.
And we called Darrell and we all asking the questions.
At this point, he gave us the determination that there was no requirement needed at this time.
And that's when we went ahead and voted on the final agreement.
So, I don't know that I guess I don't know your question, are you questioning at this point?
Do we need to go back and ask them to do something to 1750 or?
I would say that's the implication of the motion from my perspective.
And maybe Commissioner Powers can clarify as the motion maker.
One thought that I had, that I ran by Darrell, you know, just kind of spitballing ideas.
One of the things that continually was brought forth was a concern about the shoulder slopes.
And we've seen a lot of examples of projects that produce a lot of material that end up in berms.
They're not sure where we put this material.
It's not structural material that you use to build roads.
It's the soil that you move from that surface and where there's shoulders that need built up.
They don't necessarily need structural material.
They need to get the material and then need to be, you know, seated.
So they don't come all up in weeds and they need to get that vegetative cover to stabilize them.
But that was, you know, the only thought that I had was if there's extra material from road construction that was identified as a concern and need.
But I don't know, you know, I've prepared the written decision as it was, as it was made in that motion.
I, I'm kind of out of loss to give any recommendations either to the board or clarity of the applicant about what's intended here.
So that's the point that I wanted to make and you guys can discuss what you think about this written decision as it's been prepared.
If you'd like you need to make any clarifications to it or so.
That's all I've got. I guess are there questions for me?
I guess I'm looking for that where you, or you even put that in the written decision.
Yeah, so that would be conditions five and six on page five.
The first four conditions were ones that we had that the planning staff had prepared in advance and recommended its conditions.
And the last two were added at the time of the decision.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not opposed to doing anything that is is proper for both parties. I just want to be sure whatever decision we made in the last meeting, which was a approval of a final plat and that we aren't doing anything to change that in this agreement.
Yeah, so.
I.
Right, I guess.
It kind of does leave that open though when I read it here.
It says, well, we're going to.
But we're sure to take a second look.
But what does that mean? Does it just going to look at it?
Say, I looked at it or does it going to require something and require something?
I don't know if we have a mission or not.
Yeah, it's not clear to me what the expectation for the applicant is to do based on that specific condition.
I'm sure power spots.
I'm sure I really see what the problem is here.
I mean, we have a report out flying all the deficiencies in the road.
Can't we just get daryl to raise a cost estimate to fix those deficiencies and then look at the traffic.
We have a traffic impact study that tells us how many digital cars are going to be on it.
That ought to be a pretty straightforward thing to do.
I agree with that.
My question is, is we had him come in last meeting and he seemed to answer our questions as to the conditions of that road.
And he felt it was at that at this moment there was not an imminent issue.
And then we we voted based on his comments.
So I guess I'm trying to figure out what's changed.
And I don't see any changes based on this, except it does leave a little bit up to the discretion of the public.
Worst director now.
And without without the applicant saying, oh, yeah, I'm fine with that.
Right, I guess.
I'll make it up to you for you.
But I should have probably pushed the commissioners to further deliberate and say what's the intent of this.
You know, what does the county need to do?
And then what does the applicant need to do in response to this condition?
And so I, you know, so commissioner powers sort of outlined a path that he thinks would make sense to address this condition.
But there wasn't any previous directive.
I guess the public works to say, can you respond to this and bring us a number that would we would insert here.
But again, usually that's not been county's place to come up with the cost estimates.
And the proportionate share numbers.
Those have been things that the applicants have determined in their traffic impact analysis.
And then we've said, okay, we agree with that.
And that's what we will apply or require as part of this approval process.
So there's just kind of a missing information component here.
I guess my question might be to Andrew for legal.
I mean, can at this point when we're doing a written decision, can we make a more specific interpretation to the written decision.
Which, what does that do to us legally?
That's my, that's my question.
Andrew, can you help me there?
Yes, can you hear me?
Yes.
So best practice would always be to have a full and complete oral motion, right?
The lays all this out of all the conditions and all the details.
There's always some flushing out that the written decision does.
So you can't vary from your oral motion.
But if there are details that need clarification, that's a potential where you can.
You have to flush some things out, right?
So you don't state everything in a written decision in your verbal motion.
So there is somewhere in there to clarify.
Okay.
It definitely complicates things and is of course better to be clearer sooner.
But reality is reality too.
I think courts are going to recognize that as well.
All right.
I'm, I'm happy to do that.
I just want to make sure we're doing, you answer my question.
I want to, I don't want to do something that isn't correct.
So it sounds to me commissioner powers.
If you, if, if you wanted to make a motion and add what you just said to,
as an explanation to item six on the conditions,
I think that would be appropriate then.
And, and you, are you okay if we make a motion to prove the written decision with conditions?
Is that up air?
You have to rewrite it.
I thought he said that was.
Andrew?
Here we go.
You're so, you're so, you expect this to do everything for you.
So I think the question is,
does the board want to adopt this written decision
as accurately encapsulating the motion that was passed at the prior thing?
If there's something we need to change, if there's a major, you know, rewrite in there,
then yeah, we should, you know, continue that so that we can get it rewritten
and then bring it back for approval.
But then you said if you wanted to be, to just add clarity to one of the items
that that would be probably okay.
Sure, well, yeah. So I mean, if you want to add the word,
that's somewhere that's minor, if you want to add, you know,
sentence, let's read, read, do that and continue things and keep it moving in that way.
Okay.
Does that answer the question?
Yes.
So.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I'm willing to make a motion to approve it as it is,
because I think it, it,
it is a fair synopsis of what we agreed to at the last thing,
but a commissioner powers feels that he needs to add something to it
that I think we do need to continue it.
Yeah.
I don't really feel like it needs it.
I mean, if you like Josh, Josh thinks it needs more clarity.
Okay.
Well, I,
I think it may be helpful to the applicants.
If you want to leave it as is, I think,
and it would just say,
make a, you know,
it's open-ended to the applicant how they want to address that condition
and if you want to see how that,
you know, precedes the word.
Yeah.
I think that's fine.
I think the applicant has been very willing to do pretty much whatever
that I'm asking within reason, and I, I don't,
I think that's something that the public work structure
could probably work out with them if we want to
ahead and approve the written decision in my mind.
So,
for that standpoint,
I think,
Yeah,
I think I could make a motion.
Unless you have further something further,
say Commissioner Powers.
Well, I don't.
I don't think for a motion.
I don't think so.
So,
let's see here.
I would like to make a motion to approve the written decision
for the Northern Lights subdivision final written decision
as stated as noted.
And with the conditions as noted on the written decision.
Second that.
Okay.
Then move in second it all in favor.
I.
Okay.
All right.
Motion carries.
All right.
See what your name works.
I'll give it up.
I mean,
I don't know if that was,
uh,
just like,
you know,
let's go back.
I think.
Uh.
I think.
So.
I think.
Absolutely.
Like what's item was that?
That was.
I did.
Okay.
Looks.
More.
Very.
I think.
The day's the.
Yes.
Okay, let's go back with here.
All right, clerk, we're going to, we're going to move to you.
This is an annual report that just covers where the money, what money was received,
and what money was spent and what the intent, what it's budgeted for in fiscal year 26.
Okay.
Okay, 20,000, 20,000, I'll go towards 29,000 pay for ongoing meetings of votes.
Okay, looks good to make, Mr. Powers, any questions on that? Have you had chance to review it?
No, it's good to me.
So...
I would like to make a motion to accept the 2025 Vessel Fund report as stated as written.
Okay, move in second, all in favor, aye, aye, motion carries.
Okay, next, 10.2.
This is the engagement letter with our outside auditors for fiscal year 25 audit, which is actually going to start this week.
That sounded a little stress than that.
Oh, it's not too bad. They're good to work with. Any questions on this?
Is this a normal amount of, is there anything?
It's a good question.
The cost for the audit has increased quite a bit since I've been in office.
We did put it out to bid two years ago and actually had a hard time even getting anything to bid on it.
These guys have been really great to work with, helpful throughout the year, giving advice on tricky matters.
It seems expensive, but we were to look at every other county of a similar size.
It's the same.
Okay.
No matter who their audit is.
Okay, Commissioner Powers, any questions?
No, I would, I would move to approve the 2025 Teton County Wipflee engagement letter, or the audit of the audit.
I'll second that.
Move in second, all in favor, aye, aye.
Okay, motion carries.
Okay, moving right along, approval of the minutes.
So we've got September 8, which is, I had a question that, for the prosecutor on this, and they answered it.
It was regarding deliberating in a, on a item, and then abstaining from the vote.
They said there's no issue with that, just counts as a note.
Okay.
Any questions that you had, Commissioner?
Powers?
I do not.
Okay.
That being said, I'd make a motion to approve the minutes from the regular board meetings of September 8, October 15, and November 24th.
I'll set it up.
Okay, it's been moved in second and all in favor, aye.
Okay.
Thank you.
Motion carries.
Okay.
And the last is just a sort of a cleanup item.
We didn't get the dental that we approved in a fire meeting.
We needed to get it signed.
So I guess that.
That contract.
Okay.
So just approve the contract.
Yeah.
Okay.
I would like to make a motion to approve the met life dental contract for the.
Is that for the fiscal year 2026?
It's actually for the calendar year 2026.
Okay.
All right.
So I will make that motion to approve it for the calendar year of 2026.
As written.
You second it.
Can I say you second?
Okay.
Move the second all in favor.
Aye.
Okay.
Motion carries.
That's all I have.
You're good.
Okay.
So we are.
11.1s down.
11.2.
11.3.
We will hold off on.
We do have 8.1 which is the discussion of temporary structures as long term living quarters.
Okay.
Let's go back.
Thank you for that.
Let's go back to that.
Probably need.
Yes.
While you're getting them.
Let's go ahead and do 11.4 which is an action item for pathology service agreement with
County.
Okay.
Do you have that information?
Yes.
So this.
This is our annual contract agreement in a county to do.
I'm living in the.
Autopsies.
Polaries.
Autopsies.
It is the.
They are the.
Yeah.
They are the lab that can do them in the state of Idaho.
We don't do those ourselves.
No.
Oh, I thought we did.
No.
I think every.
I think they only forensic lab in the state of Idaho is in the.
Okay.
Any questions on that?
I did read through this pretty in depth.
So.
I'm happy to make a motion.
When you're ready, commissioner powers.
Yeah.
I like to make a motion to approve the pathology.
This pathology service agreement with eight a county.
Is this an annual or fiscal year thing?
Is it matter?
I just put as presenting.
Okay.
As per.
Approved as presented.
Is there second.
Yes.
All second.
Okay.
Move in second.
All in favor.
I.
Okay.
Motion carries.
All right.
Let's go back to item 8.1.
Which is a diverse structures.
As long term living quarters.
Thank you.
How are you doing?
Thank you.
Hello.
Hey.
Well, I'm not.
You're not.
But I'm the only one to look at.
That means you get blamed for everything.
I don't.
On November 24th during that, just.
Oh, my name is Amber Pence.
I'm code compliance technician.
Here to discuss.
Teton County RV code compliance and state statute.
Background.
During the November 24th port of county commissioners meeting.
There is a request to talk about RVs.
It was.
Sort of open.
So.
All this is about as code and state statute.
It has nothing to do with.
Personal opinion if this if people should it or shouldn't be living in our
views, et cetera.
The Teton County land development code covers RVs.
That they are.
Not classified as well in units, but they are temporary.
Vehicles, essentially.
And property owners may have RVs on their property.
But living in them is different than having them on your property.
And HOA's and CCR rules may stay otherwise depending on where you live.
They may have those rules that know RVs are allowed even if they're livable or not on your property.
I'd host statute.
Has RVs classified as motor homes, travel trailers, fifth wills and truck campers.
They are recognized as temporary recreational units, not residential homes.
And I've included those Idaho statutes in that packet.
I just provided you commissioner.
Wolf and I'll have one in your.
File.
Holder commissioner hours for you and you.
And the thing.
I included those on this memo.
They also.
The Idaho Department of Transportation also.
Regulates them is if they are vehicles.
Not residential homes.
Not like a fifth, you know, not like a mobile or a modular home or a trailer home.
The Idaho or the international building code and the international residential code.
Also do not see them as.
Wellings they have them.
As.
I guess, you know, recreational vehicles as motor homes or travel trailers.
They aren't build up or RVs are built to standard of a regular.
Living structure.
They're not designed engineer or insulated for four season.
They don't need minimum requirements for dwelling unit.
And they are not permitted to substitute as a residential unit.
They also.
Don't have wastewater disposal systems in them as a residential unit does.
They have a small non permanent holding tank.
And they do not need standards for a septic.
System.
As co-compliance we have received.
We are we are complaint driven.
So we have seen some complaints about.
Folks living in year round RVs.
We do have an exception in the in the international building code where if you have a house.
A permit for building a house.
You can live in your RV on that property.
Essentially, you're paying, you know, you're going to be paying property taxes.
You may be paying them on that land, but at some point you'll be paying taxes on your home.
Or putting in septic system and you're following all of the regular residential rules.
I did look into if other counties in Idaho are allowing.
And I was not able to find anything except for city of catch them in city of Haley.
Which I put those in there in 2021 during COVID.
They allowed essential workers to live in RVs.
For one, you know, they had pretty dense site boards on those.
Which I included the ordinance in there.
So there are some entities that have.
But it kind of mimics our building permit.
Process to an extent where they only had six months.
They can't live in them during the winter.
Because of safety issues.
And I contacted them to see if that ordinance has been updated or if there is still doing it.
It was only during that year and I haven't heard back from them yet.
So that's what I found on RV code and state statute.
So from what you're saying, it's not.
In our ability to make a code to allow it because it's against state statute.
Is that what I'm understanding?
But I don't know.
Yes.
About.
So I think it's it's it's a gray area because there's not specifically something saying this is how you do it.
Or you cannot do it.
But recreational vehicles RVs are built to RV standards.
They'll have an RVA tag on them.
Whereas manufactured homes will have a HUD.
Saying that they've been built to the HUD standards.
Which are different than regular building codes.
But still intended for long-term year round use.
And then modular homes and obviously stick built on site are designed and built to international residential code.
Which is similar to HUD but more basically.
And the RVs are built to something much different than even the HUD homes are.
So safety being the first concern.
And very clearly they're not intended for year round adaptation.
I think that we would be hard for us to be able to find a way to permit them as permanent living structures.
And another extension of that is some tiny homes and other units that are described as park models.
They are very specifically built to the same RVA standards that a travel trailer or a good will.
Yep.
So that's the struggle.
At least from the building department perspective is that we don't have.
We don't have enough there to be able to permit it as a home.
For me I would love to find a way to do it because my part goes out to them and I think I think.
There's a need there, a definite need.
Yep.
But again we have to obey the laws.
And I don't think we're there yet.
You're very, very similar when we first started to see your coming into the valley several years ago.
And it took some time but we were eventually able to get to a point where we were getting snow loads and we were getting other energy ratings that we needed to be able to permit them.
And we can now.
So I'm hopeful that something similar will happen at least for park models.
And tiny homes that we can allow them as dwellings.
So if a RV was in a RV park?
Potentially, because we would have them connected to power, we would have them connected to some kind of a wastewater system.
So the code doesn't apply to that as my question.
That's a really, I'm not 100% sure how those are done.
And unless there's a time limit issue there.
And unless there's a time limit, I think that for the most part we see a lot of those facilities in warmer climates.
Also, I think that we don't have much in our area or other areas that have a similar climate.
Climate just because of the extremists, you know, winter is long and it's hard.
So I don't know what the answer is.
Like I said, I'm hopeful that we'll have some progress, like we did with the years.
But time will tell.
And until they are upgraded as far as the building of them, and the fact that they're on the DMV tax roll instead of real property,
is telling up the fact that they're not, they're vehicles basically.
So one of the questions I had is, if by chance someone was willing to put in a septic system,
have water come to the unit, like it wouldn't be in an RV park.
We still have the issue of the safety and the standard state was built to it.
So it really isn't watered except because as much as the structure of the unit.
Right.
From my perspective, I wouldn't be able to permit as a dwelling.
And maybe that's the difference is that RV parks are approved for the individual units,
hookups and not necessarily the RV itself.
So that would be.
I'm searching here.
I'm just so, you have a possibility of issuing a permit for the homeowner to have a RV park on his.
No.
Because of the zoning.
It's in it.
Yeah.
The zoning.
And that would be more of a.
I'm just searching.
I'm trying to find a way to do that.
Yeah.
There's multiple layers.
There is something in the land development.
Now RV parks.
We're camp parks and campsites and the criteria they have to follow to put one of those together.
And it's pretty quite extensive.
I do think, you know, RV.
RVs as someone mentioned earlier, they gave testimony as a transient living.
By choice or not by choice.
And that's why they have those RV parks.
But we do have a part in our land development code that covers campsites and creating them.
And the criteria around those in zoning and how to get, like, a special use permit.
But you don't have 40 acres at least to make an RV park.
Oh, to make it park.
Yeah.
So there is criteria to do an RV park.
But just to live in an RV as a residential dwelling.
We don't have anything.
There's your powers that have any questions or comments.
So I would just echo what Mr. Jay or Mr. Wolf said earlier about finding the way to permit this.
I mean, it's just such a need.
We're at AC last September.
We've got brought up in a county meeting.
Every county was struggling with this.
Every county seeing demand for it.
So we've got to address it somehow.
I mean, my question would be that we're going to approve it for 180 days.
Is there a time period that they're there 180 days.
A lead for two weeks that can come back for 180 days.
I mean, no, well, at least to the example I gave you.
They don't let allow them to live and I'm during November to March.
Okay, that's that specifically.
Yeah.
And that was in both of those because of the climate of Idaho.
California, they do let them live in RVs and some of the city.
Yeah.
And Portland and Seattle, they let them live in RVs on the side of the roads.
But we have, I guess, had that problem quite yet where we've extended that to that.
Well, I'd like to ask you to keep looking for anything that we could.
I don't disagree with the safety.
I mean, I think that's important.
But by the same token, if they're willing to do it.
And there's a way to do it.
I'd like to find it if we can't do it.
I mean, we can't go against law.
But if there's a loophole somewhere that allows it.
I'd love to find it or something changes.
I'd like to address it.
That's where I stand.
I will keep looking and perhaps contact IAC and see if they've.
If that was a big issue if they came up with.
Because there were people a lot of people that were concerned about.
Oh, I'm sure.
Yeah.
I mean, a few, I read some articles and with the short term.
Rentals, they've driven up.
Rentals, prices are gotten red or rentals a minutes for some of these issues.
Sure.
So I'll keep looking into it.
All right.
Well, thank you.
All right.
Joshua, do you have anything on that?
I would just say, yeah, certainly not the first time.
Conversations come up about it.
I wanted to thank Amber for the work she's done in looking into this.
Yeah.
I get some comparisons.
You know, if we were to make some changes, I think.
Probably moving more to the.
The specific months.
Maybe would be the right direction to go.
I think there's, you know, that's a sensible.
Position to take and makes things a lot simpler.
You know, we're, you know, not counting 90 days.
Or maybe things that we're looking for.
We know that there's a lot there.
And that might be a reason about reasonable balance to strike right now.
Just say, these are the months when it's not permitted.
And still deal with it on a kind of a complete basis, but.
Well, it was said some people are being passed over and some are being asked to leave.
And I think we do need to be.
Whatever we decide to be fair.
Whatever decides.
Yeah.
That puts that on you, Amber.
Right, and those are, I did speak to some someone about that.
But these are complaint driven.
I'm not driving around.
Look at other people living in our be sure then targeting them.
So if I get a complaint about anything.
I react to it.
But so it does, you know, I could, you could say lighting is an issue all over the county.
But I only respond to the complaints I get.
So it would be hard to contact 10,000 people at all.
They're lighting issues just because I haven't heard.
So I, it's definitely not targeted.
It's only it's complaint driven.
So if I hear about it, then I will reach out to those make sense.
So it's, it's, you could say that about any code compliance issue that there.
500 people are breaking it, but I only know about 1 person.
So it would be, you know, I can't, I guess if that's what it's, you're asking is that if I hear one replay.
I can't respond to it unless I go out and find the five other other people.
500 other people who are doing it, too.
It's sort of, that's kind of hard to, it's unfair for us to have you in your time.
At least less, we were a different county with more money to hire someone to drive around looking for people in violation.
Yeah.
And I, I get the complaint driven thing that makes sense to me.
And now, and it's not, and that way, it's not targeted.
I am just responding to because it would be hard to miss or it would be hard to find all of the code compliance ones.
But I did make that clear to some of you who did stop by.
And at this point, the other one, at the specific issue that brought this was there were two RVs on one property.
And then moved and I included the letters.
I have a seat, but obviously there are my public records request available to the public.
But for that specific issue, there was more, there were more details in it then.
Okay.
Thank you.
And the other thoughts, Commissioner Powers, are we on the right track?
All right.
Well, thank you for coming in and sharing.
All right. So I think we're down to 11,
3 or 5.
And we're not going to have the 115.
That's been postponed.
Is there anything in your commissioner's reports that you'd like to talk about commission powers?
I don't have anything.
Okay.
In view, I have nothing that's worth taking the time for right now.
So let's pass on that and go to now we're down to 13.1,
which has been postponed until December 22nd.
That is a public hearing for the Teton AI.
Was there, there was nothing we needed to discuss in this meeting for that?
Yeah.
So we postponed the public hearing.
I do have just a discussion item on Teton AI.
Oh, there it is.
I'm 13.3.
So let's go ahead and do that while you're standing there.
Maybe, could we just finish these other two decisions?
We'll come back to AI.
Discussion is the last point on planning.
Okay.
So,
13.2 has been postponed also.
Is that my correct on the Osprey landing?
Correct.
I apologize that.
We had a realization.
We were preparing to report on an extension request that we didn't have a final motion made for that.
I think it was a consequence of.
We wanted more information.
So we were waiting, but then maybe we assumed we'd made a decision when they brought that information back.
So I did let this applicant know that that was postponed.
They, you know, really, this accomplishes the extension bias making a later decision.
Okay.
So, yes.
All right.
So then let's go ahead and do go to 13.4, which is a written decision for the June 2 LLC special use permit.
Thank you, commissioners.
As you recall, this was a second special use permit for an additional structure on a site that already had a special use permit.
I don't think there was anything unique that I had questions about in preparing this, but any questions or concerns on this one.
Not for me, commissioner power.
Which one?
13.
This will be June 2 for a special use permit for a facility shelter.
Yeah.
For fiber optic.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
All right.
So if there's no further discussion, I'd make a motion that we approve the written decision for the June 2 LLC special use permit as written.
I'll second.
I'll second all favor.
Aye.
Motion carries.
13.5 is written decision that the T done springs minor platter amendment.
Thank you, commissioners.
This we had very little discussion of.
Fairly straightforward in terms of what the request was.
However, in preparing this report or this written decision, we identified that we had.
The lots.
That were of interest.
Specifically misidentified in application materials and that carried through.
We did correct.
The.
Lot numbers and parcels in play for this request in this written decision.
So it should represent what the applicant wanted and the intent of the burden.
It's not.
It's not that.
Okay.
I should powers any.
Then you have.
Um.
Question your comments.
Um.
Uh, I was just.
What we call.
Who's your James building name on.
Um.
You called.
The.
The reason why.
Was.
Did he vote near abstain.
Was that the day he abstained from everything.
I can't remember.
Yeah.
That's my understanding.
Is it was the day that he just didn't vote on.
Okay.
Yeah.
You're.
That's correct.
That we.
Miss identify that on the decision.
Yeah.
Well, it does say he voted.
May and to be a stain.
A layer.
Different.
Right.
I know that the same outcome.
But by my may are.
Okay.
So like we can make that change.
If you want to approve it with that change.
But can.
Can you verify that before we.
Change.
Okay.
See.
That's.
That's the last.
Is that November 10th.
That's the only date I see here.
I think it was.
Yeah.
For Dyke was.
I can check that real quick.
Okay.
関連駅は3,000円が出させる。
じゃあ、ちょっと同じだよ。
1億多くの時間の時間が、
これは……
絶対、
ここは本当に行わないです。
ああ、
2億多くの時間は違います。
これはもう絶対勝利です。
4億 appointed was the new one.
静かというやつを受けてから授業を受けることをすると
好きなのは無理です
イゼントの καうに
では外合の場所が進んでいる
と 回したい場所の上がりの
先に単位と簡単に
上がるなやつ
それを聴き止める
この好きです
加えていった
加えたら
あなたの上がりが抱えていてた
まったらありません
この中に伸びます
とてもそう
とても好き
ということになるかもしれません
この後はエアワーを決めておきます
このようにエアワーを決めておきます
エアワーを決めておきます
え、あ、手に入れてないんだ。
この構図は、お前のディエールの方が欠かれ違反ると思っています。
寄らかしい若干が、
その道具も取らなくて、
あの対応あったらそれがすごく緊張すんだと思うんだ。
だから寄壁が本当に思ってしまった。
4弾粘音は?
12弾粘音って、お前はクリスから
6弾粘音があったら1弾粘音を感じられた
1弾粘音を感じられた
スキューの隠り方が多いのに、
スキューは見上がっていたので、
スキューが集まったことがあるから、
スキューを使っているのに、
スクッシャー
ぶちょっ
ああ
そう
あれ
はい
なたの
プロンスロー
スティー ケーキのエレベントをポイントを見ると色々に変わったので、
エレベントを使い、エレベンと能力していたら気持ちしているのです。
私は不思議にもとなってさらにしましょう。
合わせば 日本でティー バックコレートを試合したので、
育体に言っているが何かも楽しんでいるのが、
ブラックが、その役の秘討ないので、
順番を使っているために、
ニンスティー型のメイゲを買ったpurishで、
楽しみにことを取り付けたので、
このアイアイリアいオイを使うと
このような向かでも
どうすれば 今回は
AUIの自分の手を出る時に
この画像があってね
二回のライオンがある
シャンボーキさんが
これを見て
あなたが
どんな意味を
知ったら
アイアリア動画を
実際に
このスキャミ・チョコリベルのアイレーションで
実現したレシアがあるので、
ニュークセルでより流行っている
どのおのより、
カルチャパリニーのパリニーを
とまったら、
ポイントを作りました。
コメントにいるとなっていると、何かかわからずかりもなかったんででも、
なんか何かとなるのか聞こえたら、
この言葉を知らずに燃やすいですが、
その手が放負ったら起こないそのもちもったから
押した野獲にそーしてしまうと、
私は何かとなくなりますか?
私は初期の幸せがあったらもうダメージしたいもなかったか?
その確実は咲かれています。
こんなの字を 取り付け取り付け違えてしまう。
そしてそれにバイスにしました。
並bedingにび 画面を背中をしまげるだけは アップを作っていて 覚えてくれてます。
私何なという事にやってみても しました。
holinessがもりている人たちが好きな 自分の字を考えてみています
どうしようと考えてたかの字を考えています
この間のどこから選んだというのが あとも知らながら
後はこの隠った〜
今回から下地を見ると 歯ごたんだと 役立が出ると一番役立が出ていた
通りは行くと 何かに行くんだ
6月半で売り込んでいる
少しでも 男の舞台は3月半
役立が出ていた
子とは 妹とは 役立が出た
この子も 役立が出た
または、なかなか外国が閉じるかと、使い方もいいですか?
やはり、私はおいしい。
経験も私が言っている?
勝手がかかるなんで、私は海重東京のこちら 今日の環境であるんじゃないか。
この方は、当たりこのように数が30分かりある時は、
先ほどのある方がありませんでした。
私のように見えられるように、
それがとっても無理的な理由などと考えているというふうなど、
そのように、それに少し同じに言葉を使わせたら、
それを使わせたら、
そのようになどを行っているというふうなどに行っている
そして、そのように行くと、
それに全てのように隙間が見えます。
その 維持に 環境したら、 財値とスイートは?
安倍を取り取り取り取り取り取り取り取り取り取り取り取りを取り取り取り取り取り取り取り
自分に 向き方が見えて、0.5の意味を持っても 性格が スイートが分からないでしょ
これらを生きる ということを一緒に ズビーカーがあったらそして
そういう意味がありませんか?
日本の社会の交争をし、この大きさを買います。
この道歸で、このときの世界 世界に行きたいって 考えられるかもしれないですか?
でもこの道歸は、今の道歸は 考えられるかもしれないですか?
その道歸は、この道歸は、この道歸は、そこに行きたいかもしれないですか?
簡単などがいろいろな活動がありますが、
でも関係のような気分があるのは、
何かで今は、
今はどこでも、
もう一度の自分の活動とこの歳に同じものを
なぜもならないかもる?
なんですけど、
私は探してありますから、
私は徹底に貼るものを探しており、
その時は、動画を見ると聞かんないと考えています。
考えているのは、仲間コンプの野菜館の館さんが平衡でした。
という仲感が注意される本当かにご監睭じゃないのです ひれと
こういうことによります
わically,もういったらこれはここに
このようなアンボールスマックスの頂戴を見ると イーシングを気付き忍してます
これは壊れないと覚えを掛けてください
あなたの様子をするという意味の様子なんです
勝利です
あなたの名前を見せて イーシングを選んでいる
でもこの名前は今のフロクの考試を選ぶ
これがドライブに今の頂戴を値段してやる
このアンボールスマックスマックスの頂戴を選ぶ
そのために ハワーのメリカを選す
そのための可能性はそのまま現状疑があります。
だから、県のようになければなりたいと私は
いろいろなことがとっていたのが
それが多かったやはり、
一日アドゥースが下出したいのような
私は千万アドゥースが
あるんだけど 私が与えるんだすが
あまりのことが可能でなっていますが
あまりに伺いたおまーすが
まだ何か言葉を知っていたか
ハマリシナッツまでいてネットを考えることにしていると思 leider。
それを教えておもらおうかさは、
この人とわかりながら、
このように考えておもらえます。
慣れているのをご覧ください。
このように考えると、
このように考えますが、
彼がないのかもしれません。
ieving単状をあり、
彼は彼は止めてください。
活躍方向を知らないので、
しようなアイスとしたので、
これは例えばアイスをとてから
しているというアイスを
グラグラブ連絡し削った
とても東京のあるところです
年度は一つのアイスが
例の動画もありませんが
それも見えないと
知られているものが
何でもありませんが
今は、
ちょうど呼ばれていました。
まずは、会話を持って会話をもう行っていました。
とても良いんですか?
残って、女の仕事で県の長い間からの仕事を持っていました。
摆布樊の母が八ったら、何て思い出すがいいと思います。
音楽大きさで、清中したいとも3人の負子などがおよそ、
この平均日本の sec白姉部がありますが、
内側に新沢所を使ったことがあり、
同様に、
新沢所が高いのより、
昔は簡単だったら澄めて、
saunaの意味があるかもしれませんが、
どの様に達จ化してることがあるので、
アワインスターンを呼んでいますが、
カツスターンのためにお伝えようか
少なくなっているばらくて、
やり方が簡単に失礼することができるので
やり返しながら、
まだまだからの間に切るように
できるっているのは大きな事を
実際予定される方が決めて
私が失敗すると 私はそれからお取りを見つけます。
私は私の柄やすい済ら経ちにとって来る 私の知らしたらも同じようにした状態になってくると、
私は私にも同じにとても魅力なのにによって経過してないと、
私の知られたらよく aventになるから、
私は私の知られたような状態になるから経過にとってくるみたいなのです。
私は私は私の側面だって瞬間をより似てると、
私は私の私は知られば私が状態になると言わないと、
私は私は私は私は私は俺の知らやすいに。
に行きます。
見えないかが活かしたら、
実際に言われます。
ですね、
この所で行かないか、
でも、
無理したら、
全てに言い直す方が
ならない?
簡単に明日 regarding this.
頼り方に行くかか?
見てるよ。
今に、
知らなさいことが
必要すると
このようなコメントを
考えているのに
考えてるのか?
皆さんはもちろん
、
知らせているのか?
申し訳します。
このところは、大きなのに、対応な形からは、ママワールを考えたり。
彼のテーキは、自らのかもしれられていないことは、
それはまたずに乗っていることがありません。
デークの頑張った日々。
What do I want? If they want to go further north, I'm fine with that.
I think that they were okay with what's being proposed here. There's city council will meet tomorrow night and we'll try to have that.
A.O.I. code, you know, they'll for them to look at, but essentially moving forward, it's the county's decision.
The city can provide comment into that public hearing process.
That's how they participate.
If they've got concerns, but anyways, that's all I've got for you this time.
Okay.
I appreciate it. Yeah, I think.
It's commissioner powers that I think we're on the right track.
Yeah.
Okay. Well, thank you for your time.
Anything else, commissioner powers, you good?
No.
Okay.
I'll get that.
This is incorrect.
So just for the record, if anybody's online or didn't hear at the beginning of the meeting,
we have postponed action item or not postponed that continued at 13.7 because of a conflict and how it was on the agenda.
And we'll do that on December 22nd.
So that concludes it except for item.
I'm trying to find it.
9.1.
And she just texted me and said that she's on the way.
So we could take like a 5 or 10 minute break.
I love that.
Okay.
Let's go ahead and recess for about five minutes.
And we'll reconvene shortly.
Thank you.
Then go to ITD and say, okay, we know something about this stretch. This would be a good spot for signage and just do it as we go and that will get at least something starts.
Based on my vision, my findings, it seems to be from the top of the past down in the Bonneville County that were most of the accidents that I've seen have happened.
Not to say there aren't on this side, but it's much higher because we get down towards the river.
Oh, yeah, yeah. So I don't know, it's out of our area, it's still not out of ITDs.
Yeah, yeah.
We started going faster, too. Yeah, that lower there.
Okay, and then the only other, and it's not really an item, it's just a concept that in general,
the members of the committee would likely be keeping eyes out for anything on the horizon regarding wildlife that could either impact or benefit the county, and then we could do a framework for it and talk about it.
Sure.
That's reasonable, too.
Yeah, I think that, I mean, there's probably a lot of things we could do, but I think you're just getting started.
I think you take these and run with them and if something else comes up, bring it up to us.
Okay, okay, that sounds good.
What are we missing?
Kathy, you know, last meeting, we had an application from someone who wanted to move their belly in the loop into an area that was identified as a wildlife corridor,
and we postpone that decision, thinking it might be good to get advice from your view on that.
Oh, okay.
Can we utilize you up like a piece by case basis to look at stuff like that?
And you mean something that may be Joshua and Dan were a little uncertain about planning and to get another input on that?
Yeah, specifically, it was someone wanted to move the location of a structure which put it, I think, out of a wildlife habitat into wildlife corridors.
Am I remembering that correctly, commissioner powers in any way, if there was, if that, how, how if the house was moved there, how would it really affect the actual corridor or would it really affect it or would it not affect it?
And I think that's the kind of the question we all had, is this significant or is it not significant?
And I think commissioner powers, the same if you guys could lend a shed some light on that.
Yeah.
If it's here or if it's here, it's, does it really make a difference or is it okay?
Yeah.
And I think that's a perfectly good use of the committee's expertise in part because it gets back to even the habitat analysis policy.
Asking people to look at this, look at that, look at that.
Well, then if, if someone has a question there, we should be available to say, oh, well in this case,
yeah, we, it could do this or won't do that.
I mean, you could, maybe you could reach out to Joshua for the specifics.
Okay.
But we did postpone the decision because we wanted to find out more about that.
Okay.
Maybe I'll, I'll see if he can bring, because we're meeting on Wednesday and I can see if he could bring.
Okay.
I'm trying to remember the name of that project and I can't, but we can get that through.
That's it.
Okay.
I think you're right.
Yeah.
Great.
That, um, that good.
Looks like, looks like we have some things to work on.
No, I think.
Oh, yeah.
I think that's going to be good.
And yeah.
So, Ed, but when, when new things might come, I want to the radar.
We can, we'll, we can all talk about them again.
Things like that.
Do you hear your name?
Yes, he did.
I bet.
Reading to the corridors of the courthouse.
Yeah.
We just, we just mentioned Joshua that, in the last meeting, we had post or table or continued an item,
because we wanted to find out more about the actual corridor.
And I think that was the Badger Creek.
Right.
And we, we've directed them as a wildlife committee to maybe check with meet with you
and see if they could better identify the pros and cons of moving that place versus not.
So.
It's, I think it's still up in the air.
And, and then I was mentioning, we have a meeting Wednesday.
I don't know if you're planning to come.
And the, I think the agenda could incorporate that.
Because if the agenda was to go over everything we talked about here.
So.
It would probably need a quick look because I think we're probably going to hear that on the 22nd.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think it raises questions.
I'll see that whole.
Or.
Positive visual decisions.
We want to have this advisory.
To see.
So now.
It's.
I think.
Over.
All.
I think.
Even this to give us their recommendations.
I don't.
I think.
Okay.
But.
I think it's worth discussing.
Okay.
Well, I think.
I'm kind of in the middle.
I know we're commissioner James is is is probably more on the right of not wanting.
The wildlife community to be as.
I'm involved.
And I think that's a fair statement.
And commissioner powers is probably.
Really into it.
And I'm kind of on the fence.
But I do.
I think more information is always good.
It'll be our decision that for me having.
Having someone's.
Recommendations and and and thoughts that I may have not considered is always good.
And I.
I use it kind of meetings with my mind kind of made up that.
And I hear stuff and it.
I say, oh, didn't think about that.
And so that's why I think it's beneficial to me.
And if that.
If that means having to.
Change.
Something I.
I wouldn't.
Before.
Did I.
Was that clear or was I.
Big.
Um.
I mean.
What I'm saying is for that.
It for them to give us a recommendation that we have to.
Change something.
I mean, I.
I still want to be the board to make the decision.
But I think their input as a committee would be.
Important and valuable.
Yeah.
Great.
Is that something then maybe to begin with a sounds like.
We'll get on our feet.
We may answer question here there.
Like when you have now.
And then see about.
We'll let Joshua explore the need to have the code read not code that the.
Where my mind policy.
Policy.
If we need to change that or.
And it.
So.
Okay.
So for now, we'll.
I won't really speak to that.
We would the committee except for this very one particular question.
There.
And then we can.
You can be.
Okay.
Um.
That was all I had.
Uh.
So unless I'm.
Listening something.
I think it gives us a lot of.
Very good and important things to start working on.
Anything else, committee?
First.
Thank you, Kathy.
Um, thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, thank you.
So it's way appreciated.
Thanks for coming back at the I.
I get a apologize.
Well no, I'm sorry.
I did kind of get away from this real early in the morning.
Well, I did had to.
Yeah, no, I'm fine.
I was like a town ahead.
Another appointment and then.
So it worked out fine.
There you go. All right, well, thank you. All right, thank you. All right, if there's nothing we missed.
I think we got it. I would make a motion to adjourn. Second that.
Move the second of the favorite eye. Right.
Motion to adjourn is approved. Thanks for carrying the load there, Brad.
You should hope you feel better.
Yeah. Go to bed now.
Yeah.