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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I'd
like to welcome you to our regularly

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scheduled meeting of the council of the
municipality of Temp Center. The day is

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Monday, July the 20th, 2026
and the time is just sneaking up to 5:00

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p.m. and I would like to call this
meeting to order.

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Uh there are no adjust additions to the
agenda that I'm aware of. Um, so a uh an

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approval of the minutes or the agenda as
circulated from the members of council.

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Uh, a mover and a second. Moved by
councelor Heman and seconded by

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councelor Locki. All in favor? And that
carries.

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Any disclosure of pecunary interest from
the members of council?

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» Yep. Your worship. uh 7.1 um because I
work for advanced drainage systems as a

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director of finance and um there's
potential benefits. So I'll declare a

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cont conflict of interest on that one.
>> And councelor Hman,

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» I'd like to declare an indirect conflict
of interest with uh item 6.2

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as I'm employed by licensed alcohol
manufacturer.

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» Thank you. Any announcements that the
members of council would like to make? I

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don't have one this evening. No. Okay.

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So at this time we do have a uh
delegation presentation from Strathroy

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Hospice uh fundraising for a new
facility and um Darren Mala vice chair

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of Strathroy Hospice is in attendance to
present. So if you would like to come

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ahead whenever you're ready just come to
the stand there. Yeah, you can stand at

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the podum if you like or you can use the
the uh the desk there. Your choice.

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Okay.
And for the microphone, right, just push

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in the center till it it turns red and
you're good to go.

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» Perfect.
>> Thanks. Go ahead.

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» Thank you very much and good evening. Um
um mayor and members of council. Um my

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name is Darren McCall. I am the I'm very
proud to say I am the vice chair of

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Strathroy Hospice. Um we we have been uh
working um for a hospice in our

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community uh for a couple years now. Um
and I'm here today because um I want to

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make something very clear right up from
the front and that is although Stthroy

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Hospice is the name of our charity, we
are not Strawy's Hospice. We are um we

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want to be the hospice for the county
and we want to be the the the first

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hospice in hopes that um uh places like
Temp Center uh will also have a hospice

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one day to help with your community in
this area as well and be used as a

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roadmap. Um, so tonight I'd like to
share with you um our project and how

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it's important uh to again to not only
um our community but the county as a

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whole um and where we are today.

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So currently there are no residential
hospices in the county. um as we as you

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know there obviously London being your
your closest or Woodstock uh uh from

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here. So when families reach a point
where hospice is needed uh they often

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have very few choices. Many are faced to
travel outside the county remain in

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acute hospital beds enter long-term care
homes or try to manage complex care at

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home. And these are some of the most
difficult times in famil family's lives.

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Residents of Middle Sex County deserve
the same opportunity to receive

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compassionate end of life care close to
home as residents in neighboring

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communities. The need for hospice
continues to grow. Our population, as

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you all know, is are aging. More
residents are living longer with

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illnesses such as um cancer, heart
disease, COPD, dementia, and

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neurological diseases.

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So hospicees hospice care strengthens
our health care system. Patients no

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longer uh require hospital treatment can
receive specialized comfort focused care

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in a homelike environment. That means
better use of hospital beds, few

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emergency visits, reduce health care
costs, and better outcomes for the

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patients and their families. Hospice
complements hospitals and long-term

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care. They're not to replace them.
Uh, as a side note, I um long-term care

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was my career for over 32 years. In
fact, I actually wanted uh a long-term

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care home in uh the Dorchester area back
when Strathmir Lodge County home was uh

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being rebuilt and asked why not have two
and have one for this side of the

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county. But unfortunately, that didn't
happen. But I'm hoping that today and

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moving on that healthc care we can make
some differences because the county is

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where I've I've been most in my career
and my life and I want to be able to see

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this flourish.
Next slide please. So who will our

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hospice serve? Although we are currently
as I mentioned Strathroy this is going

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to serve um the county. Now I understand
and I respect the fact that um you know

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you're probably a good uh 45 minutes
away from Strathroy Keradok area where

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our hospice is being located but again I
want to make it very clear that

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hopefully this would be a road map and a
stepping stone so that we can get um uh

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a hospice in other parts of the county
and I'll get to that in a little bit.

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So our hospice will serve uh residents
throughout the county. uh families

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shouldn't have to leave their community
just to receive compassionate care. and

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the map on I think on the next slide
um coming uh the map actually I'll show

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you in a minute we'll uh we'll show you
the different regions but this slide

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here shows us and we are the number one
there from Middle Sex London um you see

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the red we have uh been noticed in 2024
that there was a hospice gap of 38 beds

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for the London Middle Sex area that has
now increased to 48 beds 10 beds are

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slated to come into London. So then that
leaves us with the 38 for the county and

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we're looking for five beds for our
hospice. So 33 beds will be the balance

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of what is needed in the county. Um so
again as I as I've been saying that the

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need is certainly going to be there to
have a hospicees in in different parts

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of of Middle Sex County.

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Next slide please.
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what we want to do here is is provide
the the gap um of at least five beds.

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Now the five beds that we've applied
for, we've applied for an expression of

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interest back in October of 2024. Um we
are still working with the ministry to

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um to get us those beds. But there are
other ways um avenues that to be able to

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open a hospice without um getting
official grants from from the Ministry

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of Health. Um so those are the things
that we are constantly working at. Uh

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right now we are uh in the process and
um u madame mayor you'll be um on county

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council uh we'll be there um asking for
support at county council because um

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we've had Strathroy Kerok has approved
um um us to move forward and designate a

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portion of our agricultural land that is
being donated by one of our associate

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members um to the hospice and u we're
looking at having that change from

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agricultural AL to institutional um
which was a big hurdle for us and uh

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we're hoping that uh county council will
also u give us their blessings and we

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can move forward with this project.
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» I'd like to share with you um if you
don't mind a story that one of our board

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members um had to deal with herself
personally and this started eight years

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ago and was the one of the main reasons
that we spearheaded this um this project

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for Strathro Hospice.

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My family holds hospice very near and
dear to our hearts. During a time of

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profound sadness, hospice gave us peace
and strength. In Rick's final days, we

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were able to focus on Rick and each
other and not be consumed with trying to

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manage his care and pain.
Rick wanted to die at home.

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Unfortunately, our family home, as like
most homes, was not suited for a

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hospital bed and all medical equipment
that Rick would require.

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During conversations with our children,
we all wanted to keep the memories of

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their childhood home happy.
When we all came to the decision to make

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hospice our choice, we were not able to
get Rick into the closest hospice which

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was in London. Our next option was
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We qualified for these out of area
hospices only because we had extended

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family in these areas. But this meant we
would have to leave our own community of

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Strathroy. We had no choice. And the day
we got the call to go to Leard Hospice

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in Cambridge, we left. When we arrived
at hospice, we were greeted by such a

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beautiful setting, a homelike
environment with medical palletive staff

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and volunteers who cared for Rick and
all his family. The staff and volunteers

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at hospice are angels that walk among
us. I truly believe this. Because of my

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family's hospice experience, my sister
and brother-in-law both now volunteer.

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I remember the hospice doctor telling
me, "Mrs. Steffler, we will not win this

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war, but we will win the battle of
pain." He told me, "Brick's pain was

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coming from multiple areas, and we would
treat all the areas differently." Within

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15 minutes of arriving at hospice,
Rick's pain was finally under control.

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He never experienced another horrific
pain crisis again. In Rick's final days,

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we never had to leave his side. Hospice
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needed.
Rick passed away peacefully in a

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beautiful sun room, surrounded by his
family, just like he wanted, in a

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homelike setting, not cramped in a
hospital ward. Our family will be

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forever grateful and changed by our
hospice experience.

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It is our hope and dream that hospice
will one day be available for all

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Strathroy area residents who need it.

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So again, no family in Middle Sex County
should have to make a journey outside of

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their community and that's our focus.

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Next slide, please.

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Oh, that's okay.

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I can go ahead and continue. So this
project has made tremendous progress. Uh

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we've received letters of support from
variety of healthc care uh uh leaders

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across our region which is um it is a
must for us to be able to have those

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recommendations to receive our hospice
from the ministry hospice beds from the

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ministry of health. um and include these
hospice uh or sorry these healthcare

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leaders are Middle Sex Ontario Health,
Sarnia Lamp, Ontario Health Team,

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Ontario Health at Home, Middle Sex
Hospital Alliance. These organizations

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recognize that the hospice is missing an
essential piece of healthcare in our

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county. Their support also strength
strengthens our ministry of health

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application. This project is no longer
just an idea. It is well supported by

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healthcare initiatives that is moving
forward.

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amount raised to date. As of today,
we've raised over $ 1.55 million. And

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this is due to the incredible support
that we've received, not just from

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Strathroy Kerodok, but from many
surrounding communities.

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Our vision, um,
that's okay. No worries. Our vision is

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to build approximately 8,000 square foot
home. And I want to say a home because

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it's going to look just like a home. We
don't want it to look like an

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institution um or or life scene looks
like almost like a community center. We

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want it to look like you're walking into
a nice beautiful home. Um each of the

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rooms will be private rooms with an
adjoining area for family, extended

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family to to be a part of. Um each of
those rooms will be open with a double

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set doors that lead out to a walkway and
the walkway will lead you to the pond.

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Um this beautiful um uh property that is
being donated um sits amongst um rural

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part of the area um where you're
surrounded by trees and nature and it is

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the perfect place to be able to um um
enjoy the you know enjoy the peace and

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the quiet and just be in touch with your
family and friends.

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Um, we will also include comfortable
family spaces, reflection gardens,

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peaceful outdoor areas, access to the
beautiful pond, as I mentioned, and care

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that supports physical, emotional, and
spiritual needs. We're also making um uh

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an a major effort to um to tie in our
Aboriginal communities as well because

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there is a a gap um for for their
communities and we want to make sure

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that we look after um their needs as
well. So this hospice will become a

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lasting legacy of compassion for our
community and other communities in the

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county.

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» So luck
that's all right. Um I was going to

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introduce this to the board, but that's
all right. U our board consists of um uh

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different um different professions such
as healthcare uh like myself and uh Dr.

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for Tyler Damon, who's our um uh board
me board chair. Uh he's also a

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chiropractor, accountants, um uh funeral
home um staff. So, it's it's a

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well-versed uh group of individuals with
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This one, if you can go back one slide,
if you don't mind. So, this here um uh

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gives you an idea of what the uh the
concept that we have looks like. The

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yellow boxed area is approximately five
acres out of the 100 acres um that is

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being donated. So the the farm will
still be intact uh with about 95

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workable uh acres on their farm.

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So the impact to Millsex County um
municipal support sends a powerful

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message. It demonstrates your commitment
to healthy communities, supporting

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seniors, supporting caregivers,
improving healthcare access, and

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ensuring that residents can remain close
to home at end of life. We also hope

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that this hospice becomes a model that
helps the communities across Milk County

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establish future hospice services. So
tonight, I'm asking for your support.

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support for our ministry health
application and support for bringing

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hospice closer to home and support for
ensuring that no family has to leave

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leave the county to receive
compassionate care of end of life.

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Residents of of Temp Center deserve
access to compassionate and end of life

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care as well and that is going to be one
of our goals. Thank you for your time

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and I'd love to answer any questions you
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» Thanks Mr. Mccelik. I appreciate your
presentation this evening. I'll turn it

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over to council now to see if they have
any questions for you. Um, anyone from

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council with a question? Councelor
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» Uh, thank you, mayor. Thank you for your
presentation and coming in this way. Um,

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I appreciate you clarifying that, uh,
Strathroy, um, isn't just the intended

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location. Um, I'll bet the physical
location, um, but opening it up to the

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rest of county. Um, you had mentioned
that you've raised 1.55 million to date.

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I was just curious uh what your end goal
was because you didn't see the slide,

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is 5 million.
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uh type of um approached by um a family
that once the the land has been

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completely um severed and in the hands
of of our charity that um uh there'll be

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a substantial donation that will
hopefully get us to about the $4 million

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mark.
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uh question is in regards to the
capacity. you had mentioned that you're

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hoping to have five beds, correct? Five
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» Um would that be growing
>> on that is so that's what you're going

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to be building for the five beds.
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» And then you had alluded during your
presentation that you would be um

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I would say willing to assist with
future hospices in the future. And I

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think that's something that we could
really get behind um in support of that

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because as you mentioned um Strothroy is
a little bit of a distance but we are

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still part of the same county um and
obviously much closer than the

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alternative options outside of London
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» for sure. And and I do want to say that
although you are a bit of a distance um

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and this is your community um that
doesn't mean to say that you couldn't

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have family members access that
especially if it's something that um you

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know London is full or Woodstock is
full. If there is a bed they need it. Um

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the way we want it to work is um if
you're if you have an application from

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London and you have an application from
the county and you only have one bed, we

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take the county.
>> Okay. Um, and especially knowing that we

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want to be able to really preserve the
right of of rural rural part of of of

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our community and you know, if you are
if you were born and raised on the farm

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and farm most of your life then and you
know and you want to be able to to end

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your life in that kind of rural
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Thank you.
>> Thanks, Councelor Crockett. Anyone else

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question? Uh, councelor Locki. Uh yeah,
through your worship. Yeah, thank you so

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much um for coming here to present to
us. It's such a needed needed service

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and also thank you for all the
volunteers in this project. Um I was

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just curious what sort of time frame
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» Uh again, great question. Um a lot of
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once we can get over this next hurdle of
of um uh county giving us the blessings

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um move forward with severing the
property and it's in the charitable name

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uh we write a business plan to the to
the Ministry of Health um which we've

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already been drafting and working on. Um
and as if you have any indication how

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the ministry of health works, it could
be a slow process, but we are um you

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know we we have a lot of support from
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pushing for this because again there is
that need. Um you know we we've already

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been told numerous times in the past
couple months that you know I wish you

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were open now because we need it. You
know I've got this person or we have

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this person in our family and and it's
tough. Yeah. Um the other question that

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I have is that uh so if there's an over
capacity so um if you have more um needs

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than you have beds available how is it
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» Well again as as as we mentioned that we
um a lot of it it's going to be criteria

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is going to be based with the doctors in
terms of um you know how end of life you

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know doctors will look at your your
situation and say you know it could be

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two or three weeks versus somebody
that's two or three months. Okay. So

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that's one of the the you know the the
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I mentioned before is when you have two
applicants and one may be from the city

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and one may may not be then we're going
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our county first.
>> Okay. But um in terms of people in the

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county like there won't be any
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communities. It'll all be equal.
>> Yeah. No, as far as we're concerned and

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again unless unless the ministry tells
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proceed with that. Okay.
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» You're very welcome.
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» Thank you, Worship. Um,
the uh the presentation is marked to be

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received for information. Would it be
helpful to have a a letter of support or

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is this more of a
>> That is one of the one of the asks would

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be definitely be wonderful if we can get
a letter of support from Temp Center in

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support of of our of our hospice and
even put in I would even suggest to put

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in the letter that hopefully it will be
um you know used as a as a call it a

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stepping stone a road map you know um um
an opportunity so that um TM center will

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eventually have a hospice for your
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So is that part of the recommendation or
does it would that be need to be made

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additionally?
>> It can just be added as part of the

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recommendation to receive it. Just
receive it and that a letter of support

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um hospice be sent would like a letter
sent to you sir or

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» you can address it to me. That's that's
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» Okay. Well, I I would like to make that
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amend the uh recommended motion.
>> Um before we call for that, I just

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wanted to ask a question myself,
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» The $5 million
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that include any is that just the
building or does that um include any

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wages for staff or
>> any of that sort of thing?

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» Yeah. So the so um the five million is
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the way it works with hospice uh which
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they will the ministry will give you
funding operational funding for direct

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nursing care only. So um so let's say
for a director of care your PSWs

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anything that's direct care will get
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housekeeping, um executive director,
your utilities, and all of the other

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things not related to nursing um will be
100% funded by our fundraisers and and

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the charity.
Um so they min they being the ministry

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expects um hospices to um to basically
fund raise um probably equivalent to

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about $800,000 a year for for our five
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Okay, thank you very much. That answers
the question. Um, so we have uh we have

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a mover on the um on the for the
recommended motion with the addition of

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the letter of support. A seconder for
that motion. Councelor Locki. All in

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favor?
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» Thank you very much.
>> There you go.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. Um my sister died

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in hospital so this is very close to my
home. So having something where people

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can die with a little bit more dignity
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» So if I and I I my condolences for you
and and um this is actually the second

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presentation I had it sort of hit a
little home. I just did one in Gleno

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last week and somebody had to leave
because again it was she was dealing

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with something that was very similar and
it was it was just very difficult to go

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through. I will mention this. Somebody
asked what's the difference between

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hospital and hospice considering you can
get palative care in a hospital. U my

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answer was was you know not to be overly
blunt is the fact that you can't compare

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the two. Um a hospital is obviously very
institutional. Um you could very well

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have two three other people in your
room. Um it's not private. Uh it doesn't

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give you the the peaceful you know
one-on-one atmosphere that that you

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would hope for. Um, and also they don't
have the staffing ratios as we would

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have in hospice. Um, like on a day shift
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Uh, which is exactly what you want. Uh,
if I was a family member needing care,

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that's what I would do.
>> Well, again, I thank you very much for

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coming in. This is a was a very good
presentation. Thank you.

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All

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right. So, we'll move on now to 6.2 on
um on our agenda. Uh Mr. Dino Tassi,

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alcohol sales at the outdoor recreation
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And uh
go ahead. So, it's the same sort of

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thing. You push that center button there
and then uh when it glows red, you're

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you're good to go.
>> All right. This is very hard to follow

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after that presentation,
but emotional.

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Um
my name's Carla Dassie. This is my

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husband, Dino Dassi. We run the
concession booth at the Field of Dreams.

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Um, we've called the concession booth
um, Grill and Chill and we're here

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tonight to ask for permission to have a
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We've had customers asking, is it
possible we could have a beer with our

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pizza and watch a game? And well,
obviously we said no, not yet, but we

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too feel like it would be a good idea to
be able to have a a liquor license. I

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think it would add to the Field of
Dreams. Um, we feel it's a good

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addition. We feel like it may even bring
out some people from Doorchester to go

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up and maybe watch some of the ball
games. I too was unaware of the uh

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caliber of ball that's being played out
there. Like it's a real high-end

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caliber. They play in many different
areas like throughout Ontario. So, we've

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got a really beautiful field up there.
And if anybody I feel was to be

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responsible enough for a liquor license,
I do feel it would be Dino. He ran the

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fat olive for eight years. We had a
liquor license there. We never had any

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infractions.
Um, and again, if you know Dino, he's

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very responsible. He's family
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Uh he's always giving back to the
community. I know when he had the Fat

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Olive, he always sponsored the uh
Ringette team. He always participates in

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the parades that Doorchester has. And um
correct me if I'm wrong, but we ran the

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concession booth up there during COVID
when they didn't have anybody else to

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run the booth at that time. We gave it
up after just to focus on the fat. All

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of
But um Dino has now that we don't have

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the fat all up, he's spent a lot of time
and energy into trying to improve the

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concession booth at the Field of Dreams.
He's brought in a fire brick pizza oven,

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flat tops, brought in a lot of good
quality food. You know Dino, his

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hamburgers are from the butcher. If you
know Dino, he is always giving quality.

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Um, we just feel like it's a good idea
and we're just here tonight just to ask

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permission to proceed with a liquor
license. If you say yes, that's great.

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And if it's no, that's okay, too. We're
just here to ask. And um, and if you

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have any questions, we're more than
happy to answer any of the questions you

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may have about if we had a liquor
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» All right. Thank you. Um, what I'm going
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I'll see if there are any comments or
questions from the members of council

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um, on this one.
Do do we want to do that before we go to

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your your report, Steve, or

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» I might as well do my report then
questions for anybody.

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» Sure. Absolutely. Go ahead.
Okay. Thank you. Through you, your

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worship, uh you have before you report
CSF021-26

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regarding the DASIS request to sell
alcohol at the outdoor recreation

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complex, more commonly known as the ORC.
Uh at this time, I will summarize uh

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information beyond what the DASIS have
provided just now, thereby providing

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council with all the information
possible to make an informed decision.

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As part of our thorough consideration of
this request, staff has received input

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from county legal and our insurance
provider regarding what updates the

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existing facility lease agreement would
require in the event council supports

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the request. These amendments to the
lease would help to mitigate potential

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exposure to risk for the municipality
with the five key recommended updates to

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this lease agreement outlined starting
on the bottom of page three of the

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report. These changes address compliance
with the municipal alcohol policy, AGCO

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requirements, indemnification terms,
insurance requirements, safe storage and

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security of alcohol on site along with
addressing risk of loss. A draft of the

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proposed revised facility lease
agreement is attached to this report.

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Another avenue that staff explored to
provide as much information as possible

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was to reach out to the key youth sports
associations that play on our sports

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fields in tempm center including the ORC
for their opinion on this matter. If you

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refer to the other attachment to the
report, you will see the reply I

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received from Adam Stern representing
the great lake Canadians who is not

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opposed to the sale of alcohol at the
York. This attachment also provides a

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joint reply on behalf of Dorchester
Soccer Club and Tame's Center Minor

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Soccer. uh besides their identification
of existing concerns which staff are

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working on and will take into
consideration with the upcoming update

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to our municipal alcohol policy. This
joint minor soccer response to this

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opportunity is an opposition to alcohol
being served from our concession stands

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at our community parks and sports
facilities with them providing five

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reasons why they felt that was the case
which you can read towards the bottom of

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that attachment. In addition to the
attached feedback, after this agenda was

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published, um I received feedback from
Thorndale Minor Soccer and their reply

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was um as follows. We haven't had any
issues that I've known about and

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whatever is decided we will work will
work for us. Um for more input, I

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reached out to the other municipalities
in Middle Sex County. Uh none of them

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currently sell alcohol at their parks or
outdoor recreation concession stands.

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While some of them do have alcohol sales
within their arenas, whether in a

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dedicated space like we do in our blue
line room or concession stand in their

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arena. Um, in addition, one of my
contacts at Middle Sex London Health

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Unit noticed the report on our agenda
this past Friday night and um sent me

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some of their literature called Reducing
Alcohol Harms, a primer for

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municipalities, which our clerk then
shared with council via email this

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morning. I can expand on that email if
you wish. Um the background section of

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the report outlines other factors to
take into consideration specifically

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required steps if council supports it.
Uh the pros of this opportunity and any

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cons of this opportunity. So for first
of all for required steps um the dassis

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uh in order for the dassis to sell
alcohol at the ORC council would need to

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pass a resolution permitting alcohol
licenses at the ORC. Council would need

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to direct staff to amend the lease
agreement accordingly and uh Mr. Dassi

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would have to apply to AGCO for a
permit. Potential benefits with

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permitting sale of alcohol at the ORC
include uh besides what the Mrs. Dassi

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has already outlined uh increased
revenues and sustainability for the

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tenants uh an additional uh option for
patrons to enjoy and uh as well we have

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the opportunity for a test run for the
balance of this year as the current

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facility lease agreement expires at the
end of September. So should council

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choose to support it we can see how it
goes and then decide accordingly before

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extending the lease or considering
extending the lease. Uh potential risks

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uh of permitting uh alcohol sales are
basically uh various risks with

410
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:10,560
intoxication for anyone who drinks too
much. Uh that can include property

411
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:16,240
damage, altercations, personal injury
and motor motor vehicle incidents. Uh

412
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:21,919
which can then lead to the municipality
and the business being held liable. Um

413
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:26,879
even though within our facility lease
agreement uh we are named as an

414
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:30,480
additional insured under uh the grills
insurance. So we are covered in that

415
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:35,440
regard but that doesn't stop people from
coming after municipalities.

416
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:40,320
Um
so again uh other risks again just if

417
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:45,359
people are intoxicated would be risk of
facility damage by anyone um any

418
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:49,440
attempts to maybe break into the
facility to steal alcohol beyond hours.

419
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:53,839
uh increased exposure of youth to
consumption of alcohol

420
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,760
um
and uh increased potential increased

421
00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:03,920
maintenance whether that just be clean
up of of solo cups thrown around,

422
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,960
vandalism, property damage, etc. Um with
that being said, I'm happy to answer any

423
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,480
questions that council may have at this
time. uh with the report's

424
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,680
recommendations being first of all to
receive this report for information and

425
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:20,560
then secondly to either maintain the
status quo of no alcohol sales at the

426
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:24,560
ORC or to approve the sale of alcohol at
the ORC and direct staff to amend the

427
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:29,200
facility rental agreement to permit the
sale of alcohol at the concession stand

428
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:34,320
at the ORC.
>> Thanks Mr. McDonald for your report. Um

429
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:38,720
I'm going to turn it over to to council
then for questions. Council Crockett.

430
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:44,160
Thank you, mayor. Thank you for coming
in. Um, and thank you for taking over

431
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:47,839
the concession stand. Um, I think you
articulated it well that there is a

432
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:51,200
caliber of baseball there that I think a
lot of people don't know about. Um, as

433
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:56,079
well as the other draws of just the
general baseball and soccer that takes

434
00:35:52,800 --> 00:36:02,000
place at that facility. Um, so I
understand both the appeal and the

435
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:08,400
hesitations around this. Um my real
question I guess is really just around

436
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:12,240
um the
proposed hours of operation where

437
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:16,720
alcohol would be served. Uh whether this
would be on a regular basis or just for

438
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:21,760
special events. Um I was just kind of
wanting your understanding on that.

439
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:27,280
» Uh we'd probably do it on a regular
basis as they're there pretty much every

440
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:30,960
night. uh on the weekends maybe a little
longer because they're there from 9:00

441
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:37,760
in the morning, but we can start at
whatever time see fit.

442
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:43,359
» Thank you. Um I think in just
conclusion is that

443
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:49,280
there's alcohol kind of permitted
everywhere these days it seems um to be

444
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:54,320
the thing to do uh from our provincial
government anyways. Um, and I know that

445
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:58,000
there's special instances that we have
even at the diamonds here in Dorchester

446
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:03,280
where the Lions Club have been permitted
for special tournaments, etc. to sell.

447
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:09,119
So, to me, I think that I don't
personally have a problem with this and

448
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:12,880
I respect that your experience um, being
a business owner and someone who

449
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:16,880
understands the rules and regulations
around alcohol sales. Um, it's quite

450
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:21,920
comforting that you'd be kind of the
guinea pig um, for us to um, explore

451
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:26,240
this. So, thank you.
>> Thanks, Councelor Cockett. Uh, councelor

452
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,599
Locky. Uh, yep, here you worship. I
don't have a question. I just would like

453
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:34,480
to, uh, give my opinion on the matter.
So, um, like I recognize that the county

454
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:39,359
sent the primer and, you know, reminded
us all of the risks of of alcohol. Um,

455
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:44,160
but I believe that the benefits may
outweigh the risks. Uh, because, you

456
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:48,960
know, having a beer and a hot dog at at
a baseball game, it's just a thing that

457
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:55,760
people enjoy. And
I think that if you um have it served by

458
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:59,760
people that are smart serve trained, uh
it can be enjoyed more responsibly

459
00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:05,119
rather than the risk of people sneaking
it in. Um I also agree that you know the

460
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:08,800
province already does a really good job
at uh you know curtailing the risk.

461
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:14,640
There's a lot of liability to
establishments. Um smart served um

462
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:18,800
servers are very very well trained. um
there's extreme penalties on alcohol

463
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:24,480
infections and they do an excellent job
of public awareness and um for that

464
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:30,800
reason also that it is be excellent for
our tourism and economic growth. So I

465
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:34,640
I'm in support.
Thank you councelor Laki. I'm going to

466
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:40,880
offer a few comments myself and a couple
of questions. Um, I think, uh, just from

467
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:44,320
what's come to me, there's a concern
about little kids, you know, when

468
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:50,480
they're out there for their for their
soccer games and that sort of thing. So,

469
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:56,880
will you be ser if this goes through,
would you be serving alcohol in sort of

470
00:38:52,800 --> 00:39:02,320
a specific area where or would people be
able to get a beer and wander the entire

471
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,359
» whatever you guys, however you want it
done. However,

472
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:10,480
» I've had the uh AGCO out there. They're
fine property being licensed or if you

473
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,160
want just a certain spot, that's fine,
too.

474
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:20,000
» Okay. And so, in terms of hours where
where uh alcohol would be served, would

475
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:23,520
it does do you have any idea sort of?
>> Well, basically right now we're running

476
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:25,920
for food. We're running 5 till 8:30
during the week.

477
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,440
» Then on the weekends, we're running from
9 till 8:30. Then

478
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:33,040
» we're obviously open when there's
tournaments out there. start at 9 or 10

479
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,680
according to the tournaments.
>> Okay.

480
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:39,280
» But in general, if it's just normal be
like 5 till 8:30 and then on the

481
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:45,520
weekends all day.
>> Okay.

482
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:52,400
» Um the the one thing that does come to
my mind is the fact that

483
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:56,720
this is a this is a sort of a worldclass
facility with lots of other things going

484
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:03,119
on with it. It's always been a concern
of mine that there is no um real

485
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:08,000
incentive to business owners to u you
know sort of keep the money in the

486
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:14,320
municipality rather than it be spread
out. So um I think what you're after and

487
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:19,760
the improvements that you've made are
are um are good. I think I would be

488
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:26,960
supportive of this as long as you know
that there are certain um monitors that

489
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:32,079
are put in place. Um I don't think in my
experience at these parks and that sort

490
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:39,119
of thing that there's an overabundance
of alcohol use particularly when the

491
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:44,480
young kids are around. So, um,
from an economic standpoint of view, I I

492
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:50,960
I do support your request now that I've
heard your your, uh, presentation.

493
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:59,040
So, if that's a conclusion to the
comments, councelor Hman's not here,

494
00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:03,520
then I know he can't. So anyway, um we
the motion that we have before us is

495
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:09,119
that council receives the delegation
from DTASY regarding alcohol sales at

496
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:15,520
the outdoor recreation complex. So
that's the first of our motions. Uh a

497
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:21,760
mover and a seconder for that one. Uh
Councelor Locky and Councelor Crocky.

498
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:29,760
And all in favor and that carries. And
then um you've done your uh report

499
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:34,119
Steve. So that um we have two here that
report number CSF-021-26

500
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:45,280
request to permit alcohol sales at the
OC stand be received for information and

501
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:51,200
that council approve the sale of alcohol
at the OC and direct staff to amend the

502
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:56,400
facility rental agreement to permit the
sale of alcohol at the concession booth

503
00:41:54,079 --> 00:42:04,240
in the OC.
moved by councelor um Locky and seconded

504
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:06,960
by councelor Crockett. So all in favor,
>> thank you for coming in tonight.

505
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,440
Appreciate it.
>> Thank you.

506
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,440
» Thanks.

507
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:47,280
Okay, number seven on our agenda is a
public meeting regarding drainage and

508
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:53,839
it's a uh to consider the Thorndale
industrial drain. So an overview of the

509
00:42:50,480 --> 00:43:00,640
work. Are you Mr. Rayin? Do I did I
pronounce that right? Okay, pretty well

510
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:05,319
but not there.
Okay, you go ahead whenever you're

511
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:05,319
ready.

512
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,880
» Uh thank you your worship. Uh we are
pleased to present a report tonight here

513
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,680
on the Thorndale Industrial Stormwater
Management Improvements here. Um this is

514
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:29,280
a section 4 request under the drainage
act petition um by the road authority

515
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:34,400
specifically for Ideal Drive and Gerald
Parkway. Um there was ongoing issues

516
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:39,359
with the the system here. There's
currently storm sewers that outlet into

517
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:43,760
private ditches which outlet into um old
extraction pits and then soak away into

518
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,800
the ground. So both the upper temps
river conservation authority and the

519
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,800
ministry and the environment have
identified that as not a suitable outlet

520
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:54,560
for the industrial water and the road
water that leaves the site. So this was

521
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:59,599
essentially an appointment directed by
these situations. Um and also to provide

522
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:03,280
proper drainage and legal drainage for
the road as currently it's going through

523
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:07,200
a private system which the municipality
cannot maintain if there's issues in the

524
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:12,319
future if there's debris in that dam or
if sediment builds up. Same with these

525
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:16,880
extraction pits. So the uh purpose of
this report was to convert uh the south

526
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:20,800
open channel here the municipal or the
current private ditch there into a

527
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:23,839
municipal ditch. would provide um the
legal ability for the municipality to

528
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:28,720
maintain it. It's there's not a lot of
work being proposed on this drain. It's

529
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:33,680
more to allow it to be maintained in the
future. It was constructed under an

530
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:39,760
engineered drawing from um SPM. It was
constructed in approximately 2016 um and

531
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:44,240
uh is in fairly good condition. There's
not not a lot of work to it. The the

532
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:47,119
bigger issue here are these extraction
pits, these existing extraction pits on

533
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:53,200
the west. There's two of them which
these channels empty into. Um they are

534
00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:57,520
um semi-rehabbed particularly the north
pond but the south pond is very much in

535
00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:00,560
an active construction state. So this
would be to convert these into active

536
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,800
storm water management ponds. Make sure
they meet health and safety standards

537
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:08,800
for safe slopes and things like that.
Make sure they're doing their intended

538
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:14,640
function of providing the water quality
need. Um part of it that came through

539
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:19,440
here is to clay line these these ponds
to make sure that the water is not

540
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:25,359
exfiltrating but rather using the proper
outlet. Uh in 2010 um Stantech had

541
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,960
designed a storm water outlet um for
this area. However, it's never been

542
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:34,000
connected to it's never been utilized
due to the cost here. So this proposal

543
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:37,599
is to make use of that outlet connect
the north pond to that and then have a

544
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:43,040
pipe connection between these two ponds.
We did investigate taking a piped outlet

545
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:49,520
directly from the south pond into the
temps river. However, due to the minimal

546
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:53,599
cost um savings and UTRCA was not
supportive of that approach. Um we

547
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,319
figured for the a couple percent on the
total cost of this project, it was

548
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:04,079
easier to stay in the route which they
were supportive of. Um so that's a quick

549
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:08,000
overview of the uh project here. Um
there was significant consultation

550
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:13,440
undertaken here with the affected land
owners. Um there are a couple active

551
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:17,440
gravel pits here um between the two
ponds here. So uh we had reviewed their

552
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:22,880
extraction pits, the rehabilitation
plans and designed the uh cross

553
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:26,960
connection pipe there to work work with
their future land use to uh make sure

554
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:30,079
that the landowner wasn't feeling the
impacts of having you know that in a

555
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,160
location they didn't want. So we've kind
of hugged the property line there. um

556
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,200
and taken not the direct the you know
the most direct route but the route that

557
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:41,520
made the most sense for the land owner.
We've also talked with the largest

558
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,640
portion of undeveloped lands there. Um
we talked with their engineering team to

559
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,720
get their proposed layout to make sure
that what we were designing would work

560
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:54,720
for their future development plans there
of the system. Um so we've designed this

561
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:59,440
system to up to and including the 250ear
storm. So that's what our current

562
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:03,760
regulations are for for both upper temps
and the ministry. Um, so this will

563
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:07,599
provide both quantity and quality
control and a proper legal outlet for

564
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,560
all the lands currently served by this
and any future lands to be serviced by

565
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:17,920
this. And there's almost 300 acres
that's served by this system. Um, so

566
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:23,520
it's a quite large system here. Um,
there's 16 pages of drawings here that

567
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:28,720
are attached to this report. They detail
the works to be completed and also um

568
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:34,400
incorporate that that south open channel
for future maintenance. Um the total

569
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:40,319
cost of this construction and report is
approximately $2.2 million and that

570
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:45,440
includes um allowances for the affected
properties and the um through

571
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:49,200
consultation with staff. It has been
decided that the appropriate cost

572
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:52,800
recovery mechanism for this would be
through future charges to the developing

573
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:56,240
lands under bylaw under the municipal
act. meaning that the municipality would

574
00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:00,160
pay the cost today and then the cost
would be recovered as lands develop

575
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:04,000
here. Um to make sure that there isn't a
burden on those lands, you know, lands

576
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:08,240
that haven't developed yet would have a
large cost to date for something they

577
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:12,319
may not recover for a very long time. Um
but we wanted to make sure this is, you

578
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,839
know, looking forward and making sure it
is able to provide the level of service

579
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:20,480
that is needed to develop those lands.
Um and if there's any questions, I'd

580
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:25,599
welcome them through you.
>> Thanks very much.

581
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:31,440
Okay. So, um, are there any questions
from affected land owners who may be in

582
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:37,760
the room? Okay. If you'd like to come to
the podium here and ask your question,

583
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:42,040
if you could just state your name and
your property address, please.

584
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,520
» 21735
Road.

585
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:54,880
» And your name, please?
>> Philip Coots. KUDSK,

586
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:58,880
I've gone through these plans.
We're already being charged for

587
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:05,839
something that doesn't exist, will never
exist because our homes have been there

588
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:09,920
for well over 75 years for the most
part.

589
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:14,640
Never needed a storm sewer. Don't need
one now.

590
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:21,040
Never will. And from what I've looked at
these plans, none of this attaches to

591
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:28,000
any of our properties. Rob, Roy, they
also are being affected by this.

592
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:34,000
There's there's no reason to be charging
us for anything for something we cannot

593
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:39,440
use or nor will ever be able to use
according to these plans.

594
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:45,359
» Any response?
>> Uh yes, thank you your worship. Uh I

595
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:50,720
there is no assessment to you. There's
no cost to you. There would only be cost

596
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:54,079
to people as they develop in the future.
So I'm uncertain on

597
00:49:53,520 --> 00:50:01,400
» well
>> what you're building here somewhere. I

598
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,400
can show you myself.

599
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:21,280
» Just while you're looking, I think Mr.
Craraven, our director of public works,

600
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,800
has a response.
>> Yeah. T Thank you, worship. I I believe

601
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:30,160
that the charges that you're speaking of
is a storm water rates charge that

602
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:35,200
everybody inside the urban boundary of
Dorchester and Thorndale beginning last

603
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:39,040
year are being charged. Um that's a
paperwork I think it dropped off to your

604
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:44,400
place. The storm sewers in the village
of Thorndale.

605
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:48,160
You drive on them.
Okay.

606
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:53,680
» Okay. everybody inside the urban
boundary um was charged at storm sir um

607
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:58,200
beginning last year. That's that's those
are the charges that you're seeing on

608
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,200
your on the water.

609
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:05,680
» Just just as a as an aside to this, I I
think they're different matters. This

610
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:12,160
one the the report that we've just
received is regarding drainage. Um the

611
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:18,160
the issue you're raising is about storm
source. So they're they're not related

612
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:22,480
in this particular instance.
>> Well, he's talking about putting in a

613
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:26,079
storm sewer. I'm getting a charge for a
storm sewer.

614
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:30,079
» I think it's drainage works
>> be because of the storm sewer that

615
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:34,720
you're you're paying for. You are not
being assessed what all the uh

616
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:39,280
undeveloped properties are in this area.
So because you're paying that up by

617
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:43,040
monthly charge, you're away from these
these charges here that they're speaking

618
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:51,000
of.
till when till the township takes it

619
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,000
over and then I have to pay more.

620
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:59,839
» Uh I I'm not sure how to answer that
question.

621
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:04,240
» I I would suggest we try to move on and
maybe he could reach out to staff after

622
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:07,839
the meeting. Okay. Um try to discuss
this further because it's does not

623
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:15,800
appear related to the report at hand.
>> All right then. Thank you.

624
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:15,800
Is there anyone else?

625
00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:24,640
Is there anyone else in the chambers who
wishes to speak to the issue?

626
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,079
Again, if you could just state your
names and your property address.

627
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:31,359
» Yeah. Hi, it's Jules Patton. Um, I don't
have the exact blue number, but we're

628
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:36,880
the South Pond. Basically, they want to
put the

629
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:41,040
» Um, yes. So right now there's a ditch
that they made through our property and

630
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,559
now the water gets just dumped at the
back of our property as of right now. So

631
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:48,480
when it floods everyone's water comes on
ours. We're working with the township.

632
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:53,839
We want this all to go through. It's
just that the price of that they're

633
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:58,880
taking our land is kind of value
$65,000

634
00:52:55,599 --> 00:53:03,359
which is kind of not acceptable.
So either we lower development charges

635
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:10,480
down to nothing
>> or this bond before

636
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:15,280
» in this particular case. Um that will be
dealt with at the next meeting. So or or

637
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,880
a subsequent meeting in any case.
>> We're not going to let it go through.

638
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:24,319
» So there yeah we we have the next
meeting would be a court of revision and

639
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:30,559
that in that opportunity is is is to
talk about the assessments. This one um

640
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:35,599
this one is just to um um have the
engineers report on the work that that's

641
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:44,559
to be done in the geographic location.
>> Um so did I answer the the CIO may have

642
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:49,200
a response as well. Hang on one moment.
>> Sure. Yeah. And I sorry I I was just

643
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:55,440
going to note that I think the engineer
can speak specifically to um the report

644
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:59,040
this evening uh and may have a response
to the question you've raised um in some

645
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:03,119
part.
>> Yeah, we brought this up.

646
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:07,040
» We're for it. We want we wanted to turn
this industrial and make money in the

647
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:10,319
town for everyone factories,
>> but in order to get people out to

648
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:16,200
Thorndale, we have to lower our
development charges. Not what you're

649
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,200
saying char.

650
00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:27,680
» Okay, Mr. Viken, would you like to
provide your response?

651
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:32,240
» Yes, thank you, your worship. Um, for as
far as allowances, allowances are um a

652
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,920
topic of discussion today. Um,
assessments, you are, you're correct,

653
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:39,760
would be a matter for quarter revision,
but allowances, compensation for land

654
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:45,200
taken should be discussed at tonight's
meeting. um as they form part of the

655
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:49,440
project. Um and if you would like I can
speak to I can respond there.

656
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,480
» Absolutely. Why don't you go ahead?
>> Thank you. As as the patents have said

657
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,160
here, yes, we've had multiple
conversations both us and the

658
00:54:53,839 --> 00:55:04,079
municipality previously on the
compensation for the land value here. Um

659
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:09,520
specifically, um there has been a um a
let's call it a disconnect in the value

660
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:14,160
of the land here for both the municipal
ditch here and the storm water

661
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:18,960
management pond here. Um as it currently
sits, these lands already have these

662
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:22,319
features. These features were built as a
community system when these previous

663
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:25,880
developments took place to service these
lands. They existed.

664
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:34,000
What do you mean?
It was not it was not done through a

665
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:38,240
formal please let me finish and then if
you want to answer questions that would

666
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:42,319
be appropriate afterwards. Um they were
done to serve these areas to provide

667
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:47,520
enough depth and capacity to serve these
areas. So this land was already taken.

668
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:52,720
This land was already built upon. Um
this land you know physically cannot be

669
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:56,000
taken out out of you know these ditches
cannot be removed. This water from all

670
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,920
these properties will have nowhere to
go. Um the whole intent of these ditches

671
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:04,240
were to serve the roads and the lands.
Um which the previous owner then severed

672
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:08,960
these lands and then sold these to make
money. Um so this was all part of the

673
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:13,280
existing system on these properties
prior to the purchase um from the

674
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,799
patents here. So this was existing. What
we have given them compensation is

675
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:20,559
there's a little bit of land on the
south pond that we're expanding it

676
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:25,599
beyond what was there historically. So
we're expanding the footprint of what uh

677
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:29,040
what's been there historically and
that's what we have provided an

678
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:35,119
allowance for. Um we provide an
allowance of 33% higher than what they

679
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:38,799
purchased the property for in in 2020.
So we took the land value that on a per

680
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:44,000
acre basis that they paid for the whole
parcel um through the land registry. Our

681
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:47,599
office prated it by 33% to accommodate
for some inflation and some land value

682
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:52,000
growth um and then gave them
compensation for that additional land

683
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:56,400
that has was taken. So that was how we
have come up with our land. Um it was an

684
00:56:54,799 --> 00:57:00,559
existing situation that was on the
property when it was purchased couldn't

685
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:05,200
physically be removed without
significant you know infrastructure to

686
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:10,799
offset or rebuild that. So we don't
think there is a um is a value that

687
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:15,040
should be attributed to that um land
that was already an existing already

688
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:22,559
dedicated to these uses prior to
purchase. Um also um there is you know a

689
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:27,680
significant benefit to this property too
as a whole because without these um

690
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:31,280
without these upgrades and these
necessary improvements there will not be

691
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:36,559
any further development of these lands.
The MACP and the UTRCA are very clear

692
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:40,079
that this is not an acceptable outlet
for storm water and will not approve any

693
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:45,680
more further development in this area
without this being rectified. So, um I I

694
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:52,480
struggle to see how fixing the solution
is making the property less valuable.

695
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:59,480
» Yeah, we just want to get it done right,
but we also want to bring in clients in

696
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:59,480
order to buy if it's if we build a pond.

697
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,359
So,
>> are you talking about additional

698
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:07,520
development charges over in Nevada?
>> Well, if we if you turn this pond in,

699
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:11,680
it's for the use of industrial land.
People are going to be dumping their

700
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:14,880
water in there. So, right now,
>> without getting charged, they're dumping

701
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:18,319
it on my on our land. We're paying
taxes. This water is getting dumped on

702
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:21,760
our land. There's no been never been an
agreement for this ditch they put in. It

703
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:26,640
was just the guy that owned it before
dug a ditch and let the water run under

704
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:30,480
this property. We bought it and then we
said, "Hey, where's the agreement?"

705
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:34,400
There is no agreement and we're fine
with that. It was just that we were

706
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:37,520
trying to do an industrial park there,
but in order to get clients there or

707
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,559
people don't want to buy it, our
development charges are high in order to

708
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,440
put buildings there. So, we're asking
we're getting low number for our value

709
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:47,760
of our land, which is going to be about
20 acres that they're taking from us.

710
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:51,200
And if you guys want to have tax money
from industrial land, buildings,

711
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:56,160
companies that come in here like St.
Thomas has no development charges for

712
00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:00,559
industrial land. None. That's why
they're making huge deals right now with

713
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:04,400
big companies. So, I'm just saying we're
getting stuck with the 67 thou. I don't

714
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:09,839
know. Would you could you buy a lot for
20 acres for 67,000 anywhere? No. I I

715
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:13,359
just find kind of low number, but again,
I'm trying to work with the township. I

716
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,520
I want like I bought it for specifically
we're servicing it right now to sever

717
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:21,200
off two lots. We're we're in we want to
get this going for you guys for the

718
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,000
township with people, but we said we
need a little bit more money than

719
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:27,520
67,000.
And if that's the case or no development

720
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:31,440
charges. So when I go to try to bring
factories into Thorndale, I have a

721
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:35,040
little bit of leverage to say, "Hey,
come to Thorndale, build a factory

722
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,599
here." There's no development charges.
I've been to St. Thomas. I've talked to

723
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:41,680
the mayor there. The mayor has they have
no that's why they're they're doing so

724
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:47,119
much work there.
>> All right. Um

725
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:54,000
not sure that we can address this right
here. Um, is there anything else that

726
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:59,200
talk? Um, okay. I'll turn it over to
councelor Hman here.

727
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:04,559
» Okay. Thank you, Wor. And um
uh thank you for trying to bring jobs

728
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:10,720
and industrial lands to the village of
Thorndale. I think that I think that's

729
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:15,359
important and I think that's kind of why
we're here today. That's the big goal

730
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:22,319
that I believe the majority of people
are uh getting behind and uh yes that it

731
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:28,079
does contribute to the tax base it
contributes employment lands all these

732
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:32,799
good things. Um
so if you're looking for reductions in

733
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:36,960
development charges that is something
that we cannot do as a council at this

734
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:42,079
point in time.
>> That's fair to your attention that's all

735
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:47,680
» the Yes. But no, I'm I'm not just trying
to kick the can beyond this meeting is

736
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:51,920
in terms of the mech direct mechanism.
This council has already set the fees

737
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:55,599
and bylaw charges for this year and
because it's an election year that'll be

738
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:59,520
a whole separate council and we don't
have the ability to change those at this

739
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:04,720
time. So I think that is a good
discussion in terms of what is the the

740
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:08,960
structure and under which we are trying
to attract development. can we can

741
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:13,680
discuss it after the election here and
have a bylaw just on something

742
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:17,680
» that I think if that's the way you want
to purs pursue this that would be the

743
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:22,559
appropriate time
>> and um I think there's these these

744
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:27,200
different conversations are also
connected to each other right so we've

745
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:32,400
had a number of different developments
come to council and in many of those

746
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:36,480
instances the developer frontends much
of the infrastructure that we're talking

747
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:41,599
about this is somewhat unique because
there is the drain, there is the lack of

748
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:45,520
documentation as as you've outlined. But
in these instances, we look at the facts

749
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:50,640
on the ground and that's what's made
this a compromising position in terms of

750
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,799
the water flowing into your property,
right? And that's

751
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:56,079
» right. We're just we're trying to get a
fair number. I find that the numbers low

752
01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:01,680
like the people that drew up this
drawing is getting 160ome,000

753
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:05,599
and we're getting 67,000. I just find it
kind of weird the balance of of the land

754
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:09,920
and I just, you know, I've been dealing
with the water for over five years

755
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:12,559
pumping it out. We it floods our roads
that we can't even get into our

756
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,839
property. But again, we've been trying
to work with everybody because we we are

757
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:18,880
seeing the big picture. We want to turn
this industrial park. So, we're trying

758
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:22,160
to work with everyone
>> and you know, we just deal with it. We

759
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,040
go about our way.
>> But again, I'm just saying the value

760
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,400
that they're putting the land at, I just
find it kind of low. That's all.

761
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:33,040
» I I don't think I'm out of line by
saying that. If this were a residential

762
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:39,119
subdivision, the developer would put in
all the land for the storm water pond

763
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:45,240
out of their own pocket, right? And
>> so

764
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:45,240
and and I understand that the

765
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,520
» Yeah,

766
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:59,839
» that could be a big issue.
They're allowing everybody to dump their

767
01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:04,400
water off untreated as in this
treat

768
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:08,799
and it was sort of fuel or anything.
>> So this is the Ministry of Environment

769
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:12,960
and that's they they they assess the
poller who is generating the pollution.

770
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:19,359
You know that's that's a completely set
separate set of regulations but it

771
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:22,960
so as developers you know that this
increases the total value of your

772
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:27,359
portfolio and your asset. We are we
understand we're

773
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:32,240
» that's the came about which we can't
discuss today about development charts.

774
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:35,359
» I I I think I think what this is this is
moving a little beyond what we can do

775
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:41,039
tonight.
>> So um I think there are going to have to

776
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:46,240
be other sort of side discussions on on
this before uh council can

777
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:49,760
» that's totally fine. Just wanted to
bring it up to your attention but just

778
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:52,640
so we everyone knows where we're at.
That's all

779
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,400
» and I appreciate that all
>> we

780
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,839
» we're just trying to use that as
leverage to help people that buys

781
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:02,079
factories. If we could use that our land
being so low then hey let's offset it

782
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:06,640
with development charges that's all
we're sort of trying to negotiate here

783
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:10,720
just so that we can help and bring sales
and factories to Thorndale

784
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:15,599
» but that's not something we can do so
right here. So um do you have anything

785
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:21,520
else that you'd like to address through
the engineer while he's here? Okay. All

786
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:27,200
right. Um, obviously this is a a fairly
big topic. I know it's a little behind

787
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:33,680
the the uh it's a little behind, isn't
it? So, okay. Um, thank you very much

788
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:40,119
for your comments. I appreciate that. Is
there anyone else in the room who is

789
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:40,119
affected by this who wanted to speak?

790
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:43,319
» Okay.

791
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:50,559
Okay. I just wanted to give you guys
what my understanding for this if you

792
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:55,920
want to talk the if you for council if
you want to deal with these allowances

793
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:58,640
from my just reading about this um I'll
admit I haven't dealt with someone

794
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:02,960
complaining about their allowances
before you council has the ability to

795
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:07,200
send the report back to the engineer
basically or terminate it you guys just

796
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:10,920
so you guys are aware you don't have the
ability to change allowances

797
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:17,520
» through your worship yes Uh there would
be three three options tonight. It would

798
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:23,920
be to proceed with the report as
presented. Refer it back to us to make

799
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:30,319
um an adjustment to the allowances with
um your suggestion on on what you think

800
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:35,039
we uh need to consider more on or
terminate the petition. Um based on the

801
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:38,880
fact that you know both the land owners
and the municipality all seem to be on

802
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:43,440
board with the physical works, I don't
think that option three is the

803
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:47,920
resolution. So it's essentially
>> it doesn't fix the problem if it Right.

804
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:52,880
» that that's correct. And
>> um just to add a little bit more input

805
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:56,240
here, it's you know we we struggled with
whether we should even be providing

806
01:05:54,240 --> 01:06:00,400
allowances to these owners. Essentially
they have a land parcel they would like

807
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:04,960
to develop that they can physically not
develop because the MECP is saying that

808
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:11,280
there are infractions on their property
that need to be rectified for further

809
01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:14,720
development. So um it it we struggled to
for the fact that we are essentially

810
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:18,559
fixing the problem that's going to
benefit them and then still providing

811
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:25,039
them some allowance. Some it certainly
doesn't seem fair to buy all you know uh

812
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:29,599
probably somewhere around 12 15 acres
that is either storm water pond or ditch

813
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:32,559
on their properties. That is an existing
situation that they knew about when they

814
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:36,319
purchased the property. property was
sold extremely cheap due to these

815
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:40,799
ongoing issues and they were aware of
these when they purchased purchased this

816
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:44,880
or I could only forecast that they were
aware of them because the property was

817
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:50,799
extremely cheap which only makes sense
because of the known issues. Um so um

818
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:57,920
that's uh kind of my final inputs on
these allowances.

819
01:06:52,720 --> 01:07:01,680
» Okay, thanks very much. Um
so is there anyone else before we move

820
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:05,039
on? Is there anybody else who's affected
by this who would like to speak to the

821
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:09,839
matter?
Okay. Uh I'm not seeing anything. Excuse

822
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:14,559
me, gentlemen. Could you just keep your
conversations

823
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:20,240
um outside the chambers or
um now? So,

824
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:23,599
uh
>> Oh, you you wanting to speak again?

825
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,640
» Yes, please.
>> On the same matter, the drainage manner.

826
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:32,240
» Yes.
>> Okay. I worked in a plastic injection

827
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:37,680
molding company and they are the ones
that are polluting the wind to cool down

828
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:42,079
the pipe as it comes out. They run water
over it. That way there it doesn't, you

829
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:48,240
know, hot piece of plastic just doesn't
melt on the floor. So they're constantly

830
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:55,680
using the water and then dumping it into
the pond. So ideal drainage is the root

831
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:59,359
of this problem. Okay, that
>> how they ever got a permit to do this is

832
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:03,039
beyond me.
>> Respectfully, that is something that's

833
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:07,440
happened in the past and it's not
something that we can deal with. We have

834
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:11,039
to deal with the matter at hand. So, I
do thank you for getting an

835
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:16,960
environmental report of what's coming
out of that train right now.

836
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:20,319
» I I don't know that that enters into
this discussion, but I'll turn it over

837
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:25,040
to the engineer.
>> Uh, thank you through you. Um

838
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,560
specifically
um the majority of this work is for the

839
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:32,799
south pond which ideal drainage does not
drain into. They will utilize the outlet

840
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:36,719
of the north pond but specifically most
of this most of this drainage area goes

841
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:41,920
through the south pond um and is the
cross connection between. So ideal

842
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:47,440
pipe is currently not even in this south
pond. However um if you do have concerns

843
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:51,199
about you know water quality I encourage
you to reach out to the ministry. That

844
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:56,080
is not a municipal issue. It's not
something the council can um really

845
01:08:54,239 --> 01:09:02,080
react on. So if you have concerns, reach
out to the ministry can down the road

846
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,839
up in North Pond.
>> I think sir, he's just trying to outline

847
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:08,560
the fact that there are some things that
are a little beyond our jurisdiction.

848
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:12,239
» So
>> Well, I I don't think so. It's an

849
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:16,640
environmental disaster.
>> Deal with it.

850
01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:20,799
Um,
so if there's no one else to speak to

851
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:25,400
this, is there anyone who would like to
add or remove their names to the

852
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,400
petition?

853
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:36,799
Okay, I'm not seeing anyone there. So,
are there any other questions from the

854
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:40,080
members of council?
>> Councelor Cockett.

855
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:43,440
» Uh, thank you, Mayor. I don't
particularly have a question. And I

856
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:49,759
think we're all in the agreement that
something needs to be done. Um, as I was

857
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:54,480
saying to Travis earlier, my typical
stance on drainage requests is if you

858
01:09:52,080 --> 01:10:00,159
request it, you likely need it. Um, and
this is very much the case on that. Um,

859
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:05,360
I think that there is a lot of history
of kind of what brought us here today.

860
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:09,679
Uh, that is muddying the waters a little
bit. And I just want to say thank you

861
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:19,120
for putting together this report. I know
that it's um I think substantial as well

862
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:24,560
as um a bit more cumbersome than I think
everyone wants uh for this. But

863
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:30,880
ultimately we are being directed by the
ministry and UTRCA on this. So our hands

864
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:35,040
are kind of tied and um for the future I
think we kind of just need to nip this

865
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:41,280
in the bud and uh move forward on this.
So thank you.

866
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:45,679
Thanks, Councelor Crockett. So, at is
there anyone else wishing to comment or

867
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:50,719
councelor Heman?
>> Yeah. So, just to be clear that those

868
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:56,080
who will be assessed benefit are
primarily the industrial users of this

869
01:10:53,760 --> 01:11:02,520
future outlet. They are not adjacent
residents who are not going to say

870
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,520
receive the same benefit

871
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:10,320
» through your worship. Uh yes the only
people who will contribute financially

872
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:14,320
to this would be future developers. So
anybody who would develop industrial

873
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:19,679
lands in this in this area this 300 acre
par or 300 acre block. Um there is not

874
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:23,920
anticipated to be any cost recovery from
either residential properties or

875
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:29,679
existing industrial that have been
constructed based off the history here.

876
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:33,440
Um we we're not sure um what approvals
were or were not given, but uh based off

877
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:38,159
that fact, it doesn't seem fair to
retroactively ask them to to fix their

878
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:40,960
outlet after they've already, you know,
already constructed their facility and

879
01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:44,800
got the approvals they thought were
necessary at the time.

880
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:49,440
» And that that is because of a lack of a
traditional outlet in the form of an

881
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:56,080
official drain that encompasses the
current topography and layout.

882
01:11:52,239 --> 01:12:01,679
uh that is uh that's not even called a
traditional but an acceptable outlet. Um

883
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:07,040
groundwater infiltration is not an
acceptable outlet for industrial um

884
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:10,640
storm water is known to have
contaminants at times. I'm not saying

885
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:14,880
that there are known issues on these
sites, but they do not want that seeping

886
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:20,480
into the ground causing groundwater
issues. So there was in 2010 a storm

887
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:24,239
storm sewer outlet that was constructed
um down to the river by Stantech and

888
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:28,880
this is connecting that and making
utilization in accordance with the plan

889
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:32,960
that they had essentially the plan they
had laid the groundwork for in 2010.

890
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:37,920
» Okay. So, I just want to connect some of
the dots here because I think that there

891
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:41,840
are people who may not be paying into
the drainage

892
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:48,080
assessment but are paying their storm
water fees and see a connection between

893
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:52,480
these two things. And I think that is uh
valid and highly convoluted

894
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:58,320
because the way that these things are
fund regulated by the province is that

895
01:12:54,719 --> 01:13:03,040
we are not able to fund them outside of
storm water activities unless there is

896
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:08,560
you know a traditional agricultural
drain. So we're using this drainage

897
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:13,360
assessment mechanism to recover the
upfront costs for this. We are financing

898
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:17,280
it through the reserve funds and the
storm water fees which will then be

899
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:21,840
recollected
through the

900
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:25,360
some assessment and also through future
development fees. That's the whole

901
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:30,880
conversation that we've been having in
disparate elements. Is that correct?

902
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:34,800
» That is more or less correct. Yes.
>> Yes. And that and so for those who

903
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:40,640
believe they may not directly benefit
from this storm water project, the fact

904
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:47,360
that we are conducting storm water
improvements and infrastructure in on a

905
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:52,640
continuous basis is what benefits the
urban area.

906
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:59,840
Thank you.
>> Okay, everyone done? All right, then. So

907
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:06,400
the decision before us then is that
report number DR00009-26

908
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:11,760
prepared by the drainage superintendent
dated July 20th, 2026 concerning a

909
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:17,520
meeting to consider the Thorndale
Industrial Storm Management uh report be

910
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:22,880
received for information and that the
Thorndale Industrial Stormwater

911
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:28,719
Management Report as prepared by Spread
Associates dated December the 4th of

912
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:33,920
2025. Five be received and adopted. A
mover into seconder. Moved by councelor

913
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:39,280
Crockett and seconded by councelor
Haymon. And all in favor?

914
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:41,760
Thanks very much for your attendance
here tonight.

915
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:47,760
» Yes. Thank you very much.
>> Oh, I right. We have to send a date for

916
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:54,000
the court of revisions. Um the date for
the the uh the uh county. Let's see now.

917
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:58,320
What is the date you were thinking? So
it needs to be the week of August 10th

918
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:02,719
to keep within and so we either need
three or five members depending on who's

919
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:07,199
here. It will be a separate meeting and
held virtually.

920
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:11,920
» Okay. And the deputy mayor has agreed to
be part of the court of revision. So two

921
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:17,360
other people who would be willing to
serve.

922
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:24,800
Um no you can't. Um okay. Uh counselors
Lockett counselors Crockett and uh Heid.

923
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:29,760
Okay. and a date. Jen, have you got a
>> what works best for

924
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:33,440
you guys? Staff are amiable to when it
works best for you.

925
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:37,120
» Does the engineer have any issues or
conflicts?

926
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:41,600
» Any Yeah.
>> No, thank you. Um we between Mike and

927
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:48,000
myself, we will be able to accommodate.
However, um if you do need to change the

928
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:52,560
timeline a little bit there, the act
reads 40 days from the mailing of the

929
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:56,000
bylaw. So you could delay the mailing of
the bylaw a week or two if you wish to

930
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,640
push it onto a regular.
>> We need to get this done before the

931
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,320
21st.
>> Yeah,

932
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:07,280
» no problem. Thank
>> sorry. This is a bit different because

933
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:10,719
of the election. So sorry about that. Um
>> August, does there is there a specific

934
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:15,679
time? Do you want to do it in the
evening or do you want to do it during

935
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:18,640
the day time? I know you work during the
day.

936
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:24,880
» Yeah,
>> evening 5:00 PM work for you guys. Do

937
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:29,520
you want we'll just do it virtually?
>> It will be virtual. Um just it's just

938
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:34,080
easier but
>> Okay. So just show just so everybody is

939
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:39,440
completely aware. So the the court of
revision will meet on August the 10th at

940
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,480
5:00 pm virtually.
>> Yes. And I just need the motion to

941
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:48,800
appoint the members.
>> Okay. So uh a motion to appoint the

942
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:57,040
members. Councelor Lock uh Crockett
rather and I guess councelor human can

943
01:16:52,239 --> 01:17:02,159
you second the motion to okay so
all in favor

944
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:03,120
all right and that carries thanks very
much

945
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:08,000
» thank you
>> thank you

946
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:12,159
okay
so now we're going to move into agenda

947
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:17,679
item number eight uh public
participation meetings regarding

948
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:23,840
planning um and The motion reads that
the council adjourn its regular meeting

949
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:28,560
at 6:17 p.m. and move into public
participation meetings pursuant to the

950
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:35,360
planning act to consider applications
listed on the July 20th, 2026 regular

951
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:40,640
council agenda. A mover and second moved
by councelor Locky and seconded by

952
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:44,199
councelor Heman. All in favor?
And that carries.

953
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:52,679
So the first item is the proposed plan
of subdivision application 39T-C26001

954
01:17:54,320 --> 01:18:04,080
and the property address is 30004
Westchester Bourne otherwise known as

955
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:10,000
county uh road 74 and an overview by our
planner Alana Cortex. Go ahead.

956
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:14,080
» Thank you worship through you. So the
purpose of this application is to create

957
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:18,000
industrial lots for the future
development of the subject lands. The

958
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:22,000
purpose of tonight's meeting is to
provide an overview of the proposal and

959
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:25,920
also to receive any comments from
council and the public and staff will

960
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:30,719
return at a future meeting with a
recommendation after reviewing all

961
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:34,880
comments and technical studies. So, the
lands are designated rural industrial

962
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:39,520
and natural heritage system according to
the official plan and they're zoned M2

963
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:43,920
rural industrial as well as
environmental protection. Um, so the

964
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:49,199
rural industrial designation is intended
to accommodate dry industrial uses such

965
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:55,679
as warehousing, contractor's yards, and
truck terminals. So the sub subdivision

966
01:18:52,400 --> 01:19:01,600
proposes 13 industrial blocks, one storm
water management block, one open space

967
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:07,679
block, one new looped road, two future
road connection blocks, and three

968
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:14,000
reserve blocks along um Westchester.
So the proposed industrial blocks range

969
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:18,640
from 2 to 4.45 45 acres and all lots
would be serviced by private wells and

970
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:25,199
septic systems as municipal services are
not available. Um so a 3.68 acre storm

971
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:29,360
water management pond is proposed and
the environmental protection lands are

972
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:34,320
contained within the open space block
and will not be developed and there's a

973
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:38,480
30 m uh buffer that's shown on the draft
plan.

974
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:42,640
So a transportation impact study,
servicing report and archaeological

975
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:46,480
assessment were submitted. Uh the
archaeological assessment concluded that

976
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:51,360
the subject lands do not contain
archaeological potential and no further

977
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:55,360
assessment is required. Uh the
transportation um impact study and

978
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:59,520
servicing report are undergoing
third-party review uh third-party peer

979
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:03,600
review. The Upper Tam's River
Conservation Authority has confirmed

980
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:07,920
that previously mapped regulated areas
do not meet the definition of regulated

981
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:11,679
features. So the Upper Tempts River
Conservation Authority have recommended

982
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:16,960
that these features be removed from the
regulated areas mapping. Um so agency

983
01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:22,719
comments were received from public
works. Um so the request for truck

984
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:28,320
turning templates and confirmation of
adequate radi. Um the county engineer

985
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:32,239
provided comments. Um access must align
with Bradley Avenue. Uh turning lanes

986
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:36,080
required, no additional access points
permitted. The chief building official

987
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:40,239
advised demolition permits would be
required for the existing house on the

988
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:44,159
property. And um the septic and well for
that house must be decommissioned.

989
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:49,679
Emergency services spoke to street
naming and 911 addressing requirements.

990
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:53,280
Exxon Mobile um advised no
infrastructure is present, so no

991
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:56,800
concerns. Um, and those were all the
agency comments received at this time

992
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:00,800
and no public comments have been
received to date. So staff recommend

993
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:05,360
that the report be received for
information and that staff be be

994
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:09,040
directed to provide a subsequent report
which evaluates the application and

995
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:12,239
takes into account all the public and
agency comments received with a

996
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:16,239
recommendation for council's
consideration at a future meeting. Thank

997
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:21,520
you.
>> Thanks very much, Alena. Um, is there

998
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:25,760
any additional information to be
provided by either the owner or the

999
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:29,679
agent?
Go right ahead.

1000
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:32,480
And you're Caitlyn?
>> I am. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Uh, through

1001
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:36,400
your worship. My name is Caitlyn
Crowley, uh, planner with Selinka Primo

1002
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:38,960
and the agent for this application. Um,
I just wanted to thank Elena for the

1003
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:42,719
overview. She did do a good job of just
kind of giving you a summary of the

1004
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:46,960
proposal. Um I just wanted to add that
um subject to the decision we would be

1005
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:51,760
subject to subdivision conditions um
which we would have to obviously satisfy

1006
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:54,400
in order to um execute the subdivision.
Um so I just wanted to note a lot of the

1007
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:58,560
detailed design for the actual
subdivision would be subject to a future

1008
01:21:56,480 --> 01:22:02,400
detailed design phase and would be each
block would be also subject to site plan

1009
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:06,080
approval. Um we do intend for each of
the blocks to be compliant with the

1010
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,360
zoning bylaw. if they are sold in the
future. Um, anybody wanting to deviate

1011
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:12,639
from the bylaw would be required to
submit a zoning bylaw amendment. Um, I'm

1012
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:16,320
also available to answer any questions
tonight. Thanks.

1013
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:22,480
» Thank you very much, Caitlyn. Um, does,
uh, let's see now. Uh, any public

1014
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:27,120
questions? Anyone in the uh, gallery or
online who may want to comment or ask

1015
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:31,840
questions?
Would you like to come up to the and um,

1016
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:36,960
state your name and your property
address, please? Oh, can you turn the

1017
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:41,120
microphone on?
>> Sorry.

1018
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:44,480
» Just good.
>> We got to turn this thing on.

1019
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:47,280
» Say that again. So,
>> okay. I'm Lesley Pierce.

1020
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:56,400
» Okay.
>> I reside 3038 Westchester Barn.

1021
01:22:52,400 --> 01:23:02,080
All righty. I guess I'll start with my
most important concern being the

1022
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:07,280
decrease in property value because it's
a residence as opposed to industrial.

1023
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:12,400
I'm going to be surrounded three sides
by this park.

1024
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:16,000
Um,
and I'm wondering about the quality of

1025
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:22,560
life. Of course, we're not going to have
the peace that we used to have, but it

1026
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:30,480
is what it is. Uh I don't know who gets
to decide um what industries are

1027
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:36,239
permitted adjacent to my property or
like either side behind.

1028
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:41,920
So
then there's possible light noise, dust

1029
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:48,320
pollution,
uh, and whether or not there would be a

1030
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:53,040
buffer or something between my residence
and the goings on of this industrial

1031
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:58,159
park.
So,

1032
01:23:54,560 --> 01:24:02,960
and being a shift worker, well, I kind
of sleep in the day and like you can't

1033
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:08,239
really make a noise complaint during the
day.

1034
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:13,920
unfortunately, but it is what it is.
And then the ground water runoff. Um,

1035
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:18,560
without the crops there, there's going
to be more

1036
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:24,480
water running from the higher ground
down to my lower level,

1037
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:27,760
possibly contaminating wells or maybe
even depleting wells depending on how

1038
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:34,639
many wells are going to be drilled in
the neighboring area. So, that's

1039
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,639
basically my concerns.

1040
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:41,920
Okay, thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

1041
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:47,080
» Any uh responses to any of the concerns
raised,

1042
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,080
» Kaitlyn?

1043
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:54,239
Yes, thank you your your worship. Um I
can't necessarily speak to property

1044
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:57,679
value or quality of life. Um but in
terms of the industries, um it would be

1045
01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:02,480
sub so the the owner of the property
currently owns the entire property. um

1046
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:06,159
as the subdivision gets subdivided and
sold off um those industries would have

1047
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:10,080
to again like I said comply with the
zoning bylaw but in terms of the

1048
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:14,080
specific nature of the industries um
that would be subject to to the owner

1049
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:19,120
and who he decides to sell it to. So um
he would essentially control who the who

1050
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:22,880
the uh subdivision blocks get sold to.
Um with regards to light noise and dust

1051
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:26,880
pollution um that would be subject to
the future site plan uh approval

1052
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:30,880
applications for each of the blocks. Um
each one would be subject to to provide

1053
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:35,440
a phototric plan which would not allow
any light pollution off the individual

1054
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:39,040
blocks. Um similar noise and dust would
be required because this would be a

1055
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:43,360
rural industrial subdivision. Um they
would be subject to a likely a noise and

1056
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:47,280
dust study uh through the site plan
approval application. And then in terms

1057
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:52,159
of groundwater runoff um our engineers
AGM did provide a um detailed servicing

1058
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:57,120
report. Um it does go into quite a bit
of detail just with regards to on-site

1059
01:25:54,400 --> 01:26:01,360
water, storm water. Um so we do have a
stormwater management pond on the

1060
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:05,679
property and all flows
um post development would be required to

1061
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:09,600
be better or improved um from
pre-development flow. So we would be

1062
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:14,880
improving the situation um post
development. Um so I just wanted to make

1063
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:21,040
those few notes. Um thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

1064
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:27,199
Is there anyone else who want to uh make
a ask a question or make a comment? No.

1065
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:33,440
And no one online then, Sarah. Okay. All
right. Um, any questions from the

1066
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:38,560
members of council on this application?
Councelor Crockett.

1067
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:44,159
Thank you, Mayor. Uh, thank you, Elena
and Caitlyn, for um your kind of

1068
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:48,320
overview of that and thank you for
bringing those concerns forward. I think

1069
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:53,840
they're pretty typical, especially in
your specific area um since your

1070
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:59,199
neighboring lands are uh zoned uh rural
industrial. Um with that, I was

1071
01:26:56,239 --> 01:27:06,960
wondering whether um Atlanta could just
expand on uh what the rural industrial

1072
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:10,400
zoning could potentially include. Um it
might give you peace of mind. It might

1073
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:18,080
not. Um but just of what could
potentially be out there. And then I

1074
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:22,480
just uh wanted to also ask when the um
when the property itself was zoned from

1075
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:27,760
agricultural to rural industrial when
that took place because although it

1076
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:35,560
looks um and is currently being farmed
um the zoning has uh been changed for my

1077
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,560
knowledge for some time

1078
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:43,600
through your worship to councelor
Crockett. Um so the property is

1079
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:49,920
currently zoned M2 rural industrial um
and it permits a range of uses um but

1080
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:54,480
dryindustrial uses in nature. So um a
tradesman shop, a service shop, a

1081
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:58,560
sawmill, truck terminal, vehicle repair
garage, warehouse. Um so there are a

1082
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:02,080
number of different uses that would be
permitted there. Um but they would, you

1083
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:07,199
know, the development of each of those
blocks would be subject to the site plan

1084
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:13,280
control process as Caitlyn mentioned. Um
so that would you know address buffering

1085
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:19,760
and and that sort of thing. Um with
regard to when the lands were zoned um

1086
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:23,280
to M2, um I can speak to when the lands
were redesated. Um so they were

1087
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:30,639
redesated from agricultural to
industrial in 2014 um as part of the

1088
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:35,679
5-year review um for the official plan.
Um, so we would think that the the

1089
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:39,480
reasoning happened um around that time
as well. Thank you.

1090
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:46,159
» Thank you for that. Um, my second
question pertains to uh, as you

1091
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:50,639
mentioned, the laneways, that wasn't the
wording you used, but the, um, access

1092
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:56,320
points, I guess, from the proposed
subdivision out to neighboring lands. I

1093
01:28:53,360 --> 01:29:00,800
was just wondering, does that then allow
for potential expansion into neighboring

1094
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:07,960
lands? Um should that agreement come
forward or is it kind of a standalone um

1095
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,960
subdivision

1096
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:15,199
» through you your worship to councelor
Crockett? Um so the subdivision does

1097
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:22,400
take into account potential future
expansion by including two future

1098
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:26,960
rightway blocks. Um but the inclusion of
any lands as part of the industrial

1099
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:32,159
designation would need to go through the
planning process. So, at this time, it's

1100
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:35,520
just kind of planning ahead potentially,
but that doesn't mean that those lands

1101
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:42,159
are going to be um included in this
subdivision um or or anything like that.

1102
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:46,239
The storm water management um will be
just for this subdivision and and

1103
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:48,880
everything with this development is uh
just related to what's being proposed at

1104
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:53,440
this time.
>> Okay. And my final question pertains uh

1105
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:58,800
falling down house on the property and
I'm wondering how that will be addressed

1106
01:29:54,960 --> 01:30:03,920
and perhaps even a timeline um should
this be uh going through this evening

1107
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:10,320
through you your worship to councelor
Crockett. Um so part of the CBO's

1108
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:15,040
comments was um that the house be uh
demolished um and removed as part of a

1109
01:30:12,639 --> 01:30:21,560
draft plan condition. So that would
definitely be included as a a draft plan

1110
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:21,560
condition. Thank you.

1111
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:32,000
» Anyone else from council with question?
Okay, seeing none, the there if there's

1112
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:37,520
no further discussion, the public
participation meeting is now closed and

1113
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:40,920
we move to the decision uh that report
number PDS-034-26

1114
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:48,920
with respect to application for proposed
draft plan of subdivision 39T-C2601

1115
01:30:49,600 --> 01:31:00,719
as requested by um 1,303629
Ontario Limited for 30004 Westchester

1116
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:05,600
Borne County Road 74 be received for
information and that planning staff be

1117
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:10,639
directed to provide a subsequent report
evaluating the said application taking

1118
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:14,159
into account all public and agency
comments received with the

1119
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:21,280
recommendation for council's
consideration at a future future

1120
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:26,719
meeting. A move um moved by uh councelor
Lachi and seconded by councelor Heman.

1121
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:32,120
All in favor?
And that carries. Thanks very much.

1122
01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:42,560
Next item on the agenda is item 8.2, the
official plan amendment application

1123
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:47,280
01-26
and zoning bylaw amendment application

1124
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:53,760
Z8-26
for the property at 6545 tofog street.

1125
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:57,440
So, um, Elena, you're up again. Go
ahead.

1126
01:31:55,040 --> 01:32:02,239
» Thank you. Worship through you. So the
purpose and effect of the official plan

1127
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:06,960
amendment is to redesate uh a portion of
the subject lands from the agricultural

1128
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:10,800
designation to the extractive industrial
designation. And the purpose of the

1129
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:14,880
zoning bylaw amendment is to reszone a
portion of the property from

1130
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:19,600
agricultural to extractive industrial.
And the effect of both is to permit the

1131
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:24,639
expansion of an existing sand and gravel
pit. Um so the existing tripar street

1132
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:29,600
pit which is located on the west side of
the subject lands and um this is

1133
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:34,000
otherwise prohibited. Um so the purpose
of tonight's meeting is to provide an

1134
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:38,159
overview of the proposal and receive any
comments from council and the public and

1135
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:42,719
staff will return at a future meeting
with a recommendation after reviewing

1136
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:48,159
all comments and technical studies.
So the subject property is approximately

1137
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:52,400
21 hectares or 42 acres um and is
located on the south side of Trafalar

1138
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:56,639
Street west of Hunt Road. The lands are
currently used for agricultural purposes

1139
01:32:54,239 --> 01:33:01,199
and contain um some natural heritage
features including significant woodlands

1140
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:05,760
and a portion of the north Dorchester
swamp. The applicant is proposing to

1141
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:11,760
expand the existing Tfalger pit which is
located on the west side um to allow the

1142
01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:16,000
expansion. Um so the applicant is
requesting the official plan amendment

1143
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:21,040
to redesate the property to allow um
extractive industrial uses and um to

1144
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:26,560
reszone the property to also allow for
um extractive industrial uses. So the

1145
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:32,320
proposed expansion area is approximately
11 hectares in size um with about 9.4

1146
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:36,080
hectares being used for extraction. The
operation would involve the extraction

1147
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:40,320
of sand and gravel and would function as
an expansion of an existing pit. The

1148
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:46,239
applicant has indicated that access
would continue to use the the access

1149
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:51,679
would be um the existing entrance um to
the trfalar pit and um operating hours

1150
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:56,239
are proposed to be from Monday to Friday
7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Saturday from

1151
01:33:54,320 --> 01:34:01,360
7:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. and no
operational or Sunday or Sundays or

1152
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:07,920
statutory holidays.
Um so this proposal um seeks uh below

1153
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:13,920
the water table extraction as as well as
above water table extraction. Um so with

1154
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:18,480
respect to oh so several comments were
uh or sever several technical studies

1155
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:24,000
were submitted in support of this
application um and those include a

1156
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:28,480
hydrogeeology study um natural heritage
and archaeology as well as an

1157
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:32,880
agricultural impact assessment and staff
will be discussing peerreview

1158
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:36,960
requirements with the applicant. Um so
with respect to agency comments um

1159
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:40,080
received um we've received comments from
the Upper Tempts River Conservation

1160
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:44,320
Authority and they've indicated they
have no objections to the applications.

1161
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:48,239
Um no concerns were identified by the
county engineer or the drainage

1162
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:53,120
superintendent and public works also
advised no concerns and no public

1163
01:34:50,719 --> 01:34:56,239
comments have been received to date. So
following tonight's um public

1164
01:34:54,719 --> 01:35:00,400
participation meeting, staff will
continue reviewing the applications and

1165
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:04,000
any comments received and a future
report will be brought forward with an

1166
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:08,080
evaluation and recommendation for
council's consideration. So staff

1167
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:12,080
recommend that the report be received
for information and that planning staff

1168
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:17,280
be directed to return with a subsequent
report and recommendation at a future

1169
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:22,400
meeting. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much, Alena. Um, okay.

1170
01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:30,080
So,
is the um are the owners

1171
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:35,440
in here at all or the up
which is Oh, there you are. I'm sorry.

1172
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:39,040
Go right ahead whenever you're ready.
>> Thank you, your worship, and thank you,

1173
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:42,239
Elena, for providing the overview. Uh,
my name is Melanie Horton. I'm a

1174
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:46,960
registered professional planner with
Cher Planning and I'm the agent for

1175
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:51,440
patent aggregates and soils limited
who's the applicant in this uh case. Uh

1176
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:56,360
I do have a presentation so I'm going to
attempt to share my screen here.

1177
01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:04,239
Hopefully you can see that.
Um, I'll do my best not to duplicate um

1178
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:09,440
the information that Alena has provided
in the overview, but I really wanted to

1179
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:15,520
just provide a few highlights of the uh
operations and rehabilitation plan and

1180
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:20,880
just some details about the related
aggregate resources act application. So,

1181
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:24,000
let me see if I can
figure out how to get to the next slide

1182
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:28,880
here.
There we go. Uh so as uh as was

1183
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:34,320
described in the overview, the site is
located at 6545 Trafalgar Street, part

1184
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:39,040
17 concession 2. It's on the south side
of Trfalar, just west of Elgen Road and

1185
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:44,960
southwest of Tempsford. The existing pit
that's to the west of the site operates

1186
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:50,480
under license uh 626167.
Um that site has a licensed area of 27.3

1187
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:56,000
hectares and as was mentioned this
proposed pit expansion would be for an

1188
01:36:53,119 --> 01:37:00,239
area of 11 he 11 hectares which is um
approximately half the 21 hectares of

1189
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:05,679
the of the parcel uh that we're looking
at today. The property is currently in

1190
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:10,800
agricultural use contains an aggive
agricultural field and is bounded by a

1191
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:15,040
tree line to the west and wood lots to
the south and east. At the south end of

1192
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:19,840
the property, there's the provinially
significant Dorchester swamp. And I

1193
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:24,480
think if you noticed on the um the
zoning image that uh was in Atlanta

1194
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:28,480
Atlanta's report, that uh feature is
zoned environmental protection. It is

1195
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:31,480
outside of the area that's proposed for
extraction.

1196
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:39,600
So what you see uh on this slide here is
just an excerpt from the aggregate

1197
01:37:36,639 --> 01:37:45,520
resources act site plan and it shows the
sequence of operations. So essentially

1198
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:49,840
uh the intent would be to take the sand
and gravel from above and below the

1199
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:56,239
water table moving from west towards the
east part of the site in two areas. Uh

1200
01:37:53,360 --> 01:38:01,520
the this resource is uh it's a very high
quality sand and uh patent aggregates

1201
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:06,080
and soils uses a lot of this resource to
supply uh bedding sand primarily for

1202
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:10,960
dairy operations in the area.
Um progressive rehabilitation will occur

1203
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:17,760
uh according to the requirements of the
aggreate resources act and uh so as an

1204
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:22,719
area's re is depleted of sand and gravel
rehabilitation occurs uh as they move to

1205
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:28,400
the next area. The undisturbed areas
would remain in agricultural use and the

1206
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:32,400
proposed tonnage limit here is 150,000
tons per year that would be combined

1207
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:37,440
with the existing license. So the
existing license also has a limit of

1208
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:42,880
150,000 per year. So that wouldn't be
doubled. We we they just maintain that

1209
01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:47,280
uh that same limit um uh with this
additional uh expansion. The hours of

1210
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:51,600
operation, as mentioned, were 7:00 a.m.
to 7:00 p.m. on weekdays and 7:00 a.m.

1211
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:54,880
to noon on Saturdays. And as also
mentioned, the proposed entrance would

1212
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:58,520
be through the existing pit onto
Trfalder Street.

1213
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:06,400
And the rehabilitation plan as you can
see here would uh with the below water

1214
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:13,520
extraction would create a pond on the
site. Uh the pond would be uh almost 6

1215
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:18,480
hectares so 5.7 hectares uh with 1.2
hectares of wetland around the edges of

1216
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:22,960
that pond and then 2.5 hectares of
meadow uh along the side slopes of the

1217
01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:28,000
pond. So you can see uh on the image
there that uh represents the pond that

1218
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:35,159
would be created. The shoreline
plantings would uh be primarily uh

1219
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:35,159
native wetland plants and tree species.

1220
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:43,040
And just a couple of uh as as mentioned
there were a number of technical studies

1221
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:47,440
that were submitted uh both with the
planning act application and with the

1222
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:53,840
aggregate resources act application. And
just uh very high level some highlights

1223
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:58,400
from those reports. Um so the setbacks
that were recommended through the

1224
01:39:55,440 --> 01:40:03,040
natural environment report include 15 m
setback from the woodland uh and a

1225
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:06,800
minimum 50 m buffer along the edge of
the wetland and there would be of course

1226
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:12,239
silt control measures which are typical
for uh extraction that's in proximity to

1227
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:17,280
a wetland area. Um there also some
proposed plantings and those details are

1228
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:22,159
all uh outlined on the on the site
plans. There are also uh four

1229
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:26,560
groundwater monitoring wells. You can
see them on the top image. So they're

1230
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:33,520
surround the site. Two on the east side
uh one at the southwest corner and then

1231
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:38,159
one one up near street. And those uh uh
track the water levels um around the

1232
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:44,320
site quarterly.
That's a fairly typical uh condition for

1233
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:47,199
below water aggregate operation. Uh just
to point out one other thing. You can

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01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:50,880
kind of see on the image on the bottom
there, those are the contours. So

1235
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:54,960
there's a fairly high ridge in the
center of the site, the west west center

1236
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:59,600
of the site and it slopes down towards
the east part of the site. And as

1237
01:40:56,719 --> 01:41:05,679
mentioned, it is a fairly uh rich sand
deposit uh that's thickest in that part

1238
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:09,520
of the property.
And just lastly, I just wanted to

1239
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:14,400
highlight uh the related aggregate
resources act application or ARRA we

1240
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:18,080
call it. uh my colleagues uh Bernie
Jansen and Samantha Brown from

1241
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:22,800
Harrington McCabvern are heading that uh
part of the process. Um they have made

1242
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:26,400
the application for a license under the
Aggate Resources Act and the Ministry of

1243
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:32,639
Natural Resources is currently reviewing
that. Uh the applicant did host a public

1244
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:36,639
information meeting back in May and
there was a comment period under the

1245
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:41,679
ARRA. It's a 60-day public comment
period, public and agency comment

1246
01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:46,080
period. Uh and that ended June 15th. So
as a result of that uh there were

1247
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:50,639
comments uh provided by ministry of
environment conservation parks ministry

1248
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:54,400
of natural resources and upper temp's
region conservation authority or river

1249
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:57,840
conservation authority. There were no
concerns identified with either the

1250
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:03,600
natural environment or hydro geology
report and associated recommendations.

1251
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:11,600
uh M&R has asked for some changes to the
site plans and that's fairly typical uh

1252
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:16,239
in this day and age that MR is um very
specific about the wording on site plans

1253
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:20,560
to ensure that they're clear and
particularly that they're enforceable.

1254
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:25,280
So there were some suggestions made and
Harrington Macabin is working through

1255
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:30,239
those changes uh right now and as part
of that uh circulation there were no

1256
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:34,639
public objections that were received.
So, that's I think that's my last slide.

1257
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:40,239
Uh, happy to happy to answer any
questions you may have this evening.

1258
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:45,360
» Thanks very much, Miss Horton. Um, I
I'll now ask if is there anyone in the

1259
01:42:42,719 --> 01:42:51,199
uh gallery or online who wishes to ask
questions or comment? Okay. All righty.

1260
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:55,600
Um, so I will turn it over to the
members of council in case they have

1261
01:42:52,800 --> 01:43:01,040
any.
No questions from council.

1262
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:05,760
If there's no the discussion. The public
participation meeting is now closed and

1263
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:11,080
we'll move to the decision portion. A
mover and a seconder that report number

1264
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,080
PDS031-26

1265
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:20,159
with respect to the applications for
official plan amendment 01-26

1266
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:26,159
and zoning bylaw amendment Z826 as
requested by patent aggregates and soils

1267
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:30,800
limited for 6545 to Fogger Street be
received for information and that the

1268
01:43:28,719 --> 01:43:35,920
planning staff be directed to provide a
subsequent report evaluating the said

1269
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:40,960
applications taking into count all
public and agency comments received with

1270
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:46,639
a recommendation for council's
consideration at a future meeting.

1271
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:50,880
Okay. Moved by councelor Heman and
seconded by councelor Locki. All in

1272
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:54,880
favor?
And that carries.

1273
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:59,360
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1274
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:04,400
Um, temporary use bylaw amendment
application Z1-26

1275
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:10,960
for property 24054
Heritage Road. It's item number 8.3 on

1276
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:16,199
your uh pre-irculated agenda.
So again, um, you're busy tonight.

1277
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:23,280
Okay, you go ahead when you're ready.
>> Thank you. Your worship through you. So

1278
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:27,840
the purpose and effect of this
application is to permit two single

1279
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:32,080
detached dwellings on the subject lands
for a temporary period not to exceed 3

1280
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:36,080
years while a new dwelling is being
constructed. So the applicants are

1281
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:40,159
proposing to construct a new dwelling
while the while temporarily retaining

1282
01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:45,280
the existing dwelling during during the
construction process. And because the

1283
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:49,360
agricultural a zone only require or only
permits one dwelling on a lot, temporary

1284
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:53,840
zoning is required to allow both
dwellings to exist at the same time. So

1285
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:59,679
the planning act permits municipalities
to authorize temporary uses for periods

1286
01:44:56,639 --> 01:45:04,080
up to 3 years. And temp's official plan
um contemplates situations where two

1287
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:08,719
homes temporarily temporarily exist on a
property while the replacement dwelling

1288
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:12,400
is being constructed. So planning staff
have reviewed the application and are

1289
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:16,239
satisfied that the proposal is temporary
in nature is compatible with the

1290
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:20,719
surrounding area can be adequately
serviced and will not create adverse

1291
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:25,600
impacts on neighboring properties or the
broader agricultural area. So to ensure

1292
01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:29,360
the temporary nature of the approval is
maintained, the applicant will be

1293
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:33,520
required to enter into a temporary use
agreement with the municipality and the

1294
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:38,000
agreement requires the existing dwelling
to be removed following following

1295
01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:41,520
occupancy of the new dwelling and
includes a security deposit to ensure

1296
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:46,719
compliance.
So the application was circulated to

1297
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:51,440
relevant agencies. No objections were
received and the comments can be found

1298
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:56,239
within the report. In addition, um, no
public comments have been received to

1299
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:59,920
date. Staff note, while there is a staff
report regarding options for temporary

1300
01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:03,679
use provisions to be heard later
tonight, this request was brought

1301
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:08,719
forward by the applicant with the
understanding that changes may be coming

1302
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:12,960
to the temporary use process. Staff are
satisfied that the proposal is

1303
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:16,639
consistent with the provincial planning
statement, conforms to the county and

1304
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:21,360
temp center official plans, and
represents appropriate planning. So

1305
01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:27,280
staff uh recommend approval of the
application um and that the associated

1306
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:31,119
temporary use agreement be executed and
um that council considers the

1307
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:35,119
implementing bylaw. Thank you. I'm here
to answer any questions.

1308
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:41,440
» Thank you. Alena,
is anyone in the chambers or online who

1309
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:45,119
want to ask questions or comment?
Okay.

1310
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:50,639
Any questions from the members of
council?

1311
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:57,760
All right, no questions. So, we'll close
the public participation meeting

1312
01:46:53,760 --> 01:47:03,360
and the the decision is um attached to
your agenda that the report be received,

1313
01:47:00,639 --> 01:47:08,639
etc.
moving moved by councelor Hman and

1314
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:13,480
seconded by councelor Crockett. All in
favor and that carries.

1315
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:24,560
So, a mover and a seconder that the
planning public participation meetings

1316
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:28,719
adjourn at 6:47 p.m. in order to sit as
a committee of adjustment under the

1317
01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:35,520
planning act to consider minor variance
applications listed on the July 20th,

1318
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:40,719
2026 regular council agenda.
Moved by councelor Loy,

1319
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:46,400
second I'm sorry, moved by councelor
Crockett and seconded by councelor

1320
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:46,400
Locki. All in favor?

1321
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:52,679
And that carries. Sorry.

1322
01:47:52,960 --> 01:48:04,080
Okay. All righty. So, this is a um item
number nine on your um committee of

1323
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:13,199
adjustment agenda
9.1, a minor variance application A6-26

1324
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:20,000
for the property at 5338 Marian Street.
and we'll look to Aaron to present.

1325
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:24,880
» Thank you very much your worship. So the
next application before the committee

1326
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:28,880
this evening again is for 5338 Marian
Street in Dorchester. The purpose and

1327
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:33,119
effect of this application is to seek
relief to permit the construction of a

1328
01:48:30,719 --> 01:48:38,639
pool house and shed which both exceed
the maximum floor area and height for

1329
01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:43,280
accessory buildings in the R1-15 zone.
Specifically, the applicant is proposing

1330
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:48,239
to construct a pool house that is 58.7
square meters in size and a detached

1331
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:54,080
shed that is 117.98
meters squared for a combined floor area

1332
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:58,880
total of 176.69
uh square meters, whereas the zoning

1333
01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:04,159
bylaw permits a maximum floor area of 90
square meters or 75% of the floor area

1334
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:08,800
of the dwelling, whichever is lesser.
The application also requests to permit

1335
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:14,480
a height of 5.28 28 m for the pool house
and 6.2 m for the detached shed, whereas

1336
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:19,440
accessory buildings are limited to 5 m
in height in the R1-15 zone. The subject

1337
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:23,119
lands are located on the north side of
Maran Street, east of Claraara Street in

1338
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:28,880
Dorchester. The property is
approximately two 2,395.9

1339
01:49:26,639 --> 01:49:32,960
meters in size and approximately 30
meters of frontage along Marian Street.

1340
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:36,960
The subject lands are currently vacant,
but the applicants have submitted a

1341
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:42,239
building permit to construct a two-story
dwelling, which is approximately 390.5

1342
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:46,239
square meters in gross floor area and a
height of approximately 11 m from grade

1343
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:50,480
to peak. The dwelling will be
constructed on private well and septic

1344
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:54,719
surfaces. There is a municipal drain
which runs east west across the frontage

1345
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:59,040
of the property. This restricts the
septic system from being located in the

1346
01:49:56,639 --> 01:50:02,480
front yard. And so to prop properly
accommodate the proposed structures, the

1347
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:06,239
septic bed is to be separated into two
parts in the rear yard, which can be

1348
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:10,480
seen on the site plan that is attached
to my report. In addition to the new

1349
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:14,320
dwelling, the applicant is proposing to
construct an ingground pool with pool

1350
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:19,280
house and a detached shed in the rear
yard. The structures would exceed again

1351
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:23,280
the maximum permitted floor area of
accessory buildings in a residential

1352
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:28,719
zone. This is currently limited to 90
square meters in size or 75% of the

1353
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:32,639
floor area of the dwelling whichever is
lesser. So based on the size of the

1354
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:37,679
dwelling that is proposed the maximum
permitted floor area is 90 square meters

1355
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:42,080
as 75% of the floor area of the house
would be 292

1356
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:45,920
m. The applicant has advised that the
pool house would contain a changing

1357
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:49,440
area, related pool equipment, and a
covered seating area. And the detached

1358
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:54,000
shed would contain a golf simulator,
which is why the size and height

1359
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:56,880
increases requested. Um, in total, the
applicant has advised that the law

1360
01:50:55,360 --> 01:51:01,760
coverage of all buildings and structures
would be approximately 14%. The subject

1361
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:07,600
lands are designated residential in our
official plan and zoned a sightspecific

1362
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:17,080
residential first density R1-15 zone in
our zoning bylaw.

1363
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:17,080
So the uh planning act provides uh

1364
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:32,040
sorry Erin I I think we we've lost audio
or did we lose you entirely

1365
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:37,199
» that the principal dwelling will be
larger

1366
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:52,400
Did we lose you again, Erin?
>> I'm so sorry. Can is it okay if I turn

1367
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:56,800
my camera off? I am having a an unstable
internet evening.

1368
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:58,719
» Oh, okay.
Do you want to turn your camera on

1369
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:02,040
there?
>> Yes. Yes.

1370
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:09,440
» Okay. Shall I continue?
Yeah, sure. We can hear you. It's just

1371
01:52:07,679 --> 01:52:13,040
there was a little glitch there. Go
ahead.

1372
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:17,119
» Sorry about that. Uh, so my forecast
analysis was primarily based on the fact

1373
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:22,800
that the principal dwelling would be
taller and larger than the accessory

1374
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:27,280
buildings uh as proposed. Um, the height
increase for both the pool house and the

1375
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:32,000
detached shed uh is nominal in my
opinion uh specifically given the

1376
01:52:29,599 --> 01:52:36,719
proposed height of the single detached
dwelling. the fact that they would be

1377
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:40,800
located in the rear yard and the fact
that they would not contain a second

1378
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:44,400
story so that overlook or private
privacy concerns for neighboring

1379
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:48,400
properties would not be affected.
Furthermore, uh the overall lot coverage

1380
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:51,679
of all buildings and structures on the
property is proposed to be approximately

1381
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:56,239
14%.
Which remains substantially below the

1382
01:52:53,520 --> 01:53:02,400
permitted lot coverage of 35%. So I do
not appear it would not appear to be um

1383
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:08,320
an overdevelopment of the site from a
visual perspective. I would also note

1384
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:13,280
that the uh combined
um accessory building lot coverage is

1385
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:19,440
cumulative and it is spread across two
separate accessory buildings which would

1386
01:53:15,599 --> 01:53:25,119
limit uh the visual appearance of these
two separate structures um being the

1387
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:28,239
dominant structures on the property. So
with that being said, the application

1388
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:32,239
was circulated as per the requirements
of the planning act. Uh we did not

1389
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:36,400
receive any comments or concerns from
any agencies or departments and I did

1390
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:41,280
not receive any public comments on the
application as well. So that being said,

1391
01:53:38,719 --> 01:53:45,440
my recommendation this evening is uh
that the minor variance be granted

1392
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:49,040
subject to one condition and that is
that the dwelling is constructed as per

1393
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:55,599
approved plans submitted by Everest
Estate Homes dated March 20th, 2026. The

1394
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:59,920
only reason why uh I'm requiring that
condition is that my analysis was very

1395
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:04,719
much based on the fact that the house
would be of a specific size and height.

1396
01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:12,320
So I'm happy to answer any questions if
council has any this evening. Thank you.

1397
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:15,920
» Thanks very much Aaron. Um so is there
anyone in the chambers who wishes to

1398
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:18,639
speak? Yes. Do you want to stand up and
tell us your name? And are you the

1399
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:22,239
builder?
>> Yeah, it's through you your worship. I'm

1400
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:26,119
Nathan Cook. uh the builder of Everest
Estate Homes.

1401
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:26,119
» Okay.

1402
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:31,360
» Any additional comments you over and
above the planning report?

1403
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:36,320
» No, I want to thank Aaron for her
thorough report. Uh it was uh well done

1404
01:54:33,679 --> 01:54:40,639
and I appreciate this uh the support for
moving the uh the motion forward and I

1405
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:42,880
look forward to council support as well.
And I'm happy to answer any questions

1406
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:48,639
anyone may have.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1407
01:54:45,599 --> 01:54:53,199
» All right. Uh and there's uh let's see.
I guess that is it. any so I'm assuming

1408
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:57,760
there's no one in the council chamber
two months and no one online. Okay. So

1409
01:54:55,520 --> 01:55:02,360
we'll turn it over then if there are any
questions from the members of the

1410
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,360
committee.

1411
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:10,639
Okay. All righty. So if there's no
further discussion we will close the

1412
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:16,480
public uh participation hearing and move
to the discussion. It's fairly lengthy.

1413
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:20,760
It's appended to your uh to your agenda.
Um I'll give you a moment.

1414
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:30,400
And it's online.
Okay. A mover in secondary if you're

1415
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:36,080
ready. Moved by councelor Crockett and
seconded by councelor Locki. All in

1416
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:39,719
favor? And that carries. Thanks for your
attendance here tonight.

1417
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:51,199
The next item is 9.2 two, minor variance
application A7-26

1418
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:56,400
for the property at 3558 Elgen Road.
Overview of the uh planner and again um

1419
01:55:54,480 --> 01:56:01,440
Miss Bes
if you're still around there.

1420
01:55:58,719 --> 01:56:07,599
» I am. Thank you very much.
>> Go ahead Erin whenever you're ready.

1421
01:56:04,639 --> 01:56:11,119
» So the purpose and effect of uh these
minor variance applications, there's

1422
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:17,920
technically two. we have separated them
into two separate um motions this

1423
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:22,159
evening to try to keep the two uh
specific variances separate. So the

1424
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:26,480
first one A7-26
is looking to seek relief from the

1425
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:30,320
zoning bylaw to permit a a minimum lot
area of approximately 28 hectares

1426
01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:34,080
whereas a minimum lot area of 40
hectares is required within the

1427
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:38,560
agricultural zone. The variance is
required as a condition of consent

1428
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:42,159
application B2125
which approved the conveyance of

1429
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:46,960
approximately 0.37 hectares from the
subject farm to the abuing residential

1430
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:51,520
property municipally known as 3558 Elgen
Road. The second application this

1431
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:55,199
evening is A826
and this is seeking relief from the

1432
01:56:53,119 --> 01:56:58,800
zoning bylaw to permit two existing
residential accessory buildings to

1433
01:56:57,119 --> 01:57:04,239
remain in front of a future single
detached dwelling on the lands

1434
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:09,760
municipally known as 3558 Elgen Road.
The subject lands associated with minor

1435
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:15,760
variance application 87-26
are the uh 28.37 hectare farmlands

1436
01:57:13,679 --> 01:57:19,760
located on the southeast corner of Crom
Drive and Elgen Road. The property

1437
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:23,280
contains an industrial soil and gravel
operation in the northwest corner as

1438
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:28,239
well as proincially significant
wetlands, significant woodlands uh which

1439
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:32,639
are all regulated by the upper temps
river conservation authority as well as

1440
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:37,760
uh cash crop production on the balance
of the land. On March uh 9th of this

1441
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:43,920
year, council considered my planning
report PDS-011-26,

1442
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:49,199
which regarded the consent application
to convey the 0.37 hectares from the

1443
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:52,960
subject farm to the uh abuing
residential property. Staff recommended

1444
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:57,679
refusal of the application and as a
result did not provide a draft list of

1445
01:57:55,360 --> 01:58:02,639
conditions. Uh however, council did
direct staff to uh prepare a recommended

1446
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:07,280
list of conditions for consideration at
a subsequent meeting which was brought

1447
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:12,639
forward on March 23rd of this year under
a separate report. Uh I did provide a

1448
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:17,360
list of conditions of approval which
were approved by council. One of those

1449
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:21,760
conditions was that the owner must
obtain relief from the minimum lot area

1450
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:28,080
requirement of the agricultural a zone
as the uh retained farm parcel which is

1451
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:34,800
which was 28
um sorry 28.37 hectares and it was

1452
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:40,320
losing uh approximately 0.37 hectares
and moving uh being reduced more than

1453
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:46,400
the 40 hectares. Therefore, a minor
variance application is required. Um,

1454
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:50,400
the purpose of the approved lot
condition is to enlarge the existing

1455
01:58:48,639 --> 01:58:55,119
residential parcel to accommodate the
future construction of another single

1456
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:59,040
detached dwelling. The new dwelling is
proposed to be located further from

1457
01:58:56,719 --> 01:59:03,360
Elgen Road than the existing residence
and this would result in the existing

1458
01:59:01,679 --> 01:59:07,520
residential accessory buildings being
situated in front of the dwelling and

1459
01:59:05,599 --> 01:59:12,159
closer to the front lot line which is
not permitted in our zone in our zoning

1460
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:16,480
bylaw. So the applicant has also made
the application A826

1461
01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:22,320
to permit this arrangement in the
future. The residential property at

1462
01:59:19,119 --> 01:59:28,560
35588 Elgen Road has an area of
approximately 0.36 hectares. Upon

1463
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:33,760
completion of consent application B2125,
the lot would increase in size to

1464
01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:38,480
approximately 0.73 hectares in size. So
I did want to note that the uh original

1465
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:44,159
planning recommendation for the consent
application was refusal. Um, I am of the

1466
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:48,880
opinion that the proposal resulted in
the unnecessary loss of approximately

1467
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:53,119
0.37 hectares of productive agricultural
land for residential purpose purposes.

1468
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:57,119
This is not consistent with the
provincial planning statement or in

1469
01:59:54,719 --> 02:00:01,440
conformity with our official plans. Um,
and although council did ultimately

1470
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:04,960
approve the consent application, um, my
recommendation or my planning opinion

1471
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:09,520
regarding the appropriateness of the
proposal has not changed. Um so that is

1472
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:17,040
why under the four tests of minor
variance in my analysis section um I did

1473
02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:21,679
not find support for the four tests. Um
specifically with application for minor

1474
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:25,920
variance A7 the variance would
permanently recognize an undersized

1475
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:29,360
agricultural parcel which results in the
removal of productive farmland for

1476
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:33,440
residential purposes. The proposed
reduction is not associated with a legal

1477
02:00:31,119 --> 02:00:37,440
or technical reason contemplated by the
provincial policy, but rather

1478
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:41,599
facilitates a continued expansion of an
existing residential lot.

1479
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:46,719
Further for application of minor
variance A8-26,

1480
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:51,040
I did want to note that uh test number
two is the variance and appropriate use

1481
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:55,840
of the lands. I did find support for
this test um from a site planning

1482
02:00:53,679 --> 02:00:59,679
perspective relocating the principal
dwelling further from Elgen Road which

1483
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:03,599
is a county road. This would improve the
residential setback from the road itself

1484
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:07,520
and provide a more desirable location
for the future dwelling. The proposed

1485
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:11,280
variance would allow the existing
accessory buildings to remain in place

1486
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:15,360
uh avoiding the need to relocate or
demolish the existing structures. And in

1487
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:22,560
this that respect I am of the opinion
that uh the second test of minor

1488
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:28,560
variance can be um accommodated. However
um under the the planning act the four

1489
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:34,000
tests must all be satisfied in order to
find support for a minor variance

1490
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:38,719
application. Um, as outlined in my
report, I do remain of the opinion that

1491
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:42,800
the proposed variances facilitate the
continued loss and fragmentation of

1492
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:46,719
prime agricultural land and establish a
site layout that does not represent good

1493
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:54,080
planning. Um, so therefore, my
recommendation uh this evening is

1494
02:01:50,400 --> 02:02:01,040
refusal of both applications. I noted
the reasons um in my report and did want

1495
02:01:57,440 --> 02:02:06,880
to note that the reasons for A826 did
not include the second test which is the

1496
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:11,280
appropriateness um test. So I'm happy to
answer any questions that council may

1497
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:16,480
have this evening.
>> Thanks very much a um Aaron. I

1498
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:23,760
appreciate that. Um any additional
information from the from the agent or

1499
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:26,760
the applicant?
Hey,

1500
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:51,520
I don't know. Did this question asked
before? There's nobody online wishing to

1501
02:02:49,199 --> 02:02:57,040
speak this either.
Any questions or comments from the

1502
02:02:54,000 --> 02:03:01,280
committee members? Go for
>> Thank you, worship. And I'd just like to

1503
02:02:59,199 --> 02:03:05,840
thank the um the planner for the
presentation and I understand that we

1504
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:10,880
put you in a awkward position in the
past and that you are being consistent

1505
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:15,280
with the professional standards of your
discipline and uh I think that you know

1506
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:22,239
the basis on which it was approved in
terms of this being you know a a like a

1507
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:28,880
common sense use of the land and I think
if you look at it as part of

1508
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:36,080
an accessory use and accommodating that
and that the proposed lot that resulting

1509
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:42,080
from the the severance would uh be
within the overall rural uh residential

1510
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:46,239
guidelines. I think this is I think this
makes sense. And just for fun, if you

1511
02:03:44,719 --> 02:03:49,760
look at all of the other things that we
looked at this night this night, I think

1512
02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:53,960
this would be the smallest amount of
fragmentation that will occur.

1513
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:02,639
I'm sorry. Anyone else? Councelor
Crockett.

1514
02:04:01,119 --> 02:04:08,159
» Uh thank you. Thank you for your
comments, Tom. Um I would have to agree

1515
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:13,840
with that. Um but I think further to
that is we uh when we passed the

1516
02:04:11,199 --> 02:04:21,119
conveyance back in March, we had uh
these specific conversations um at both

1517
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:26,800
of the meetings in regards to um
uh in regards to uh the changing of

1518
02:04:24,639 --> 02:04:33,440
property lines um as well as the
accessory buildings being in front or

1519
02:04:29,679 --> 02:04:40,719
rather beside uh the proposed uh
dwelling in the future. So with that, um

1520
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:44,719
I would like to move um a motion to
grant the minor variance. Um but if

1521
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:49,119
there's
>> Yes, I can read the reasons. Do you want

1522
02:04:46,719 --> 02:04:53,360
me to read the whole thing?
>> You don't have to read the whole thing.

1523
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:57,679
Um as long as you're good with A7 and A8
and then just give us some reasons.

1524
02:04:55,440 --> 02:05:02,320
» Uh perfect. So I will go forward with
moving in a mo a motion to grant both

1525
02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:06,719
the minor variance of A7 and A8. The
reasons being uh that it maintains the

1526
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:10,480
intent and purpose of the official plan.
Its council has already approved the

1527
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:15,760
principle of this law addition through
consent application B2125.

1528
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:20,880
It maintains the intent and purpose of
the zoning bylaw. It's desirable for the

1529
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:25,760
appropriate development of the land as
this fulfills a condition of consent

1530
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:29,520
B21-25
and the reduction is minor in nature and

1531
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:35,560
does not alter the agricultural
character of the error area or conflict

1532
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:35,560
with the farming operation.

1533
02:05:36,159 --> 02:05:46,400
» Thanks councelor Crocker. a seconder
with that motion.

1534
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:52,440
Council human and all in favor and that
carries. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for

1535
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:52,440
attendance here.

1536
02:05:54,560 --> 02:06:04,639
Um a uh a mover and a seconder that the
committee of adjustment adjourn at 7:05

1537
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:10,159
p.m. and council reconvene its regular
meeting. Moved by councelor Locky and

1538
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:15,679
seconded by councelor heman. All in
favor? And that carries.

1539
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:22,560
So we move on to the approval of the
previous me uh minutes. That is the

1540
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:29,040
meeting of Monday June 29th 2026 to be
approved as circulated. Councelor uh

1541
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:34,320
Crockett and Councelor Locky. All in
favor?

1542
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:40,719
And that carries.
Items on the consent uh consent agenda

1543
02:06:38,159 --> 02:06:45,280
um are listed, I'm sorry, are received
for information in one motion. Council

1544
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:51,440
members may request that one or more
items be separated for further action.

1545
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:54,920
Anyone wanting to pull anything from
consent agender?

1546
02:06:56,079 --> 02:07:06,480
Councelor Locki and Councelor Crockett.
All in favor, don't scratch your head.

1547
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:12,480
It counts as
All right. And reports of departments,

1548
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:17,760
uh, item number 12.1,
PDS03726,

1549
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:25,239
options to review temporary use
provisions, and uh, Lindseay Nur, your

1550
02:07:21,679 --> 02:07:25,239
planner to present.

1551
02:07:27,599 --> 02:07:35,440
» Good evening, everybody. Uh the report
before you was prepared in response to

1552
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:39,840
council's direction to review whether
there may be a more streamlined approach

1553
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:44,079
to situations where a proponent is
building a new house on a lot and wishes

1554
02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:49,280
to remain in the existing until at such
a time the new dwelling is ready to be

1555
02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:55,119
occupied. Um, currently because our
zoning bylaw only permits one dwelling

1556
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:58,880
on a lot, anyone wishing to do this, um,
will have to go through a temporary use

1557
02:07:57,199 --> 02:08:03,440
zoning bylaw amendment, as we're all
familiar with. Um, that process

1558
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:09,679
currently requires a temporary use
application, which is a total of $1,200,

1559
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:13,040
uh, a security deposit of $5,000, and a
registered agreement requiring the

1560
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:18,159
removal of the original dwelling once
the new home is occupied. Um after a

1561
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:22,079
wholesome review, everyone does it a
little bit differently and calls it a

1562
02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:27,280
million different things. Um but some
things are all rooted in the same

1563
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:31,360
trends. So some municipalities um rather
than requiring a planning application uh

1564
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:36,800
would administer it through the building
department and property owners enter

1565
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:42,159
into a demolition agreement provide a
financial security tied to the estimated

1566
02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:46,239
demolition cost and are required to
remove the existing dwelling shortly

1567
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:50,159
after occupying the new one. Uh the
agreement is then registered on title

1568
02:08:48,239 --> 02:08:54,159
which still provides strong enforcement
mechanisms should the owner fail to

1569
02:08:52,000 --> 02:09:00,000
comply. So after reviewing the
approaches um I believe there's merit in

1570
02:08:56,719 --> 02:09:05,119
modernizing temp's process for owners
staff and council ease applications

1571
02:09:03,679 --> 02:09:09,280
could be administered through a
delegated process tied to a building

1572
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:13,440
permit um while still requiring those
registered agreements and appropriate

1573
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:17,199
securities to ensure that the original
dwelling is removed. So this approach

1574
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:20,800
would reduce costs, reduce
administrative burden on applicants. As

1575
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:25,599
you know, there's a 20-day uh notice
period for any zoning bylaw amendments

1576
02:09:23,679 --> 02:09:30,239
um and eliminate unnecessary planning
applications for what are generally very

1577
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:35,199
straightforward uh requests that allow
staff to process these applications way

1578
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:39,040
more efficiently. Um at the same time it
maintains the important safeguards that

1579
02:09:37,119 --> 02:09:42,719
protect the municipality namely
registered agreements, financial

1580
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:47,920
securities, clear timelines and
enforcement provisions that ensure that

1581
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:52,719
not only the permanent dwelling is
occupied with the old dwelling will be

1582
02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:56,960
removed. Accordingly, staff are
recommending that council receive this

1583
02:09:54,320 --> 02:10:00,960
report for information and direct staff
to prepare the necessary housekeeping

1584
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:07,840
amendments uh for consideration at a
future date. Thanks.

1585
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:14,320
Thank you very much, Lindsay. Um, any
questions, comments from council? Uh,

1586
02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:17,040
did you have your hand up? No.
Go ahead.

1587
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:20,920
» I just want to say thank you and I
support the staff recommendation.

1588
02:10:22,159 --> 02:10:30,000
» Thank you, your worship, and uh, thank
you to

1589
02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:34,960
Lindsay uh, for preparing this. And uh I
think we had an example today how this

1590
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:39,440
would uh have saved us a bit of time. Um
so I think that this serves all parties

1591
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:46,719
involved and it's a good step forward.
Um I just have one wrinkle that I'd like

1592
02:10:43,679 --> 02:10:55,040
to run across uh the desk here which is
um I know we have had discussions uh at

1593
02:10:51,760 --> 02:11:00,639
different points in time about um
subordinating secondary dwellings in the

1594
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:08,560
context of ARUS and how some properties
having smaller uh primary dwellings but

1595
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:15,760
seeking to replace them while retaining
that structure and I know we are seeking

1596
02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:20,719
guidance from the county on how uh best
to do this but I I know that there was

1597
02:11:18,239 --> 02:11:28,239
uh potentially a test case with respect
to Mr. Jameson on Marion and um I know

1598
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:33,119
that um if we require them to enter into
a demolition agreement at the beginning

1599
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:39,920
then that would potentially close that
uh opportunity uh from the get-go. So I

1600
02:11:36,719 --> 02:11:46,960
don't see that as a reason to deny this
proposal. I just want to flag it and

1601
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:50,880
that you know if we we do this um we are
closing that door and maybe there might

1602
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:58,920
be an opportunity to figure out an
accommodation once that total uh pathway

1603
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:58,920
becomes clear.

1604
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:07,159
» Thanks Councelor Haymon.
Jennifer, would you like to speak to

1605
02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:07,159
this?

1606
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:16,079
» Thank you, your worship and through the
council. Um, so what I'm aware of is

1607
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:20,639
that county council has recently
um had their official plan approved and

1608
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:26,480
it is now in place. They do include some
ARU policies which would allow for

1609
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:33,199
potentially a planning application that
would um consider

1610
02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:36,320
um having a second dwelling as an ARU.
And so whether or not that's the first

1611
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:41,280
dwelling or the second dwelling, but
that's potentially a possibility if a

1612
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:45,119
planning application is made before this
temporary use process takes place. So

1613
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:50,560
somebody could come forward with an
intention, get a planning approval, and

1614
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:54,719
that would be available.
through your worship. So am I correct in

1615
02:12:52,560 --> 02:13:00,560
assuming that that may be a separate
application process altogether not

1616
02:12:57,040 --> 02:13:06,880
requiring this vehicle?
>> That's correct. Yes.

1617
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:11,679
» Okay. Anyone else?
In that case, then a mover and a

1618
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:16,880
seconder to receive the report and that
council direct staff to prepare the

1619
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:21,119
necessary draft zoning bylaw amendment
for consideration at a future council

1620
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:25,360
meeting to implement the recommended
approach to temporary use provisions for

1621
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:31,599
replacement dwellings.
Moved by councelor Crockett, seconded by

1622
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:35,239
councelor Locki and all in favor
and that carries.

1623
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:45,679
Um
are you going to Okay. The next one is

1624
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:52,719
12.2 on your agenda. Um the MLPS
temporary use for fire station number

1625
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:58,560
two. We'll ask the CEO to present.
Thank you uh your worship and through to

1626
02:13:55,199 --> 02:14:06,320
councel on behalf of my colleague um
Chief Dorin. This is an opportunity that

1627
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:11,119
has presented itself while the uh MLPS
does some upgrades at another facility

1628
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:17,199
and they had a conversation about
potential use of uh an existing facility

1629
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:21,520
that we own. Um, so the chief has had
conversations with director McDonald and

1630
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:26,480
myself. Um, and we thought it was a
reasonable concept to put forward for a

1631
02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:31,840
very short period of time and we'd like
to see that for us and I'm recommending

1632
02:14:28,719 --> 02:14:36,159
it to council that um, an agreement for
a short period of time be entered into

1633
02:14:33,679 --> 02:14:41,800
and that staff be able to negotiate that
giving given the timelines we're

1634
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:41,800
looking.

1635
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:52,079
» Thank you. Um any um any questions or
comments from council on this?

1636
02:14:50,079 --> 02:14:55,920
» Councelor Hman.
>> I think it's always good to work with

1637
02:14:53,599 --> 02:15:00,400
our other uh emergency service providers
and it is nice that that would also mean

1638
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:08,199
that there'd be some operating base
closer to our community. So it's a good

1639
02:15:03,840 --> 02:15:08,199
good suggestion. Thank you, Steph.

1640
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:40,639
Thank you. Excuse me. Thank you,
worship. report PW--022

1641
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:44,960
um 26 Shields Lane vehicle length
restriction recommends prohibiting

1642
02:15:42,639 --> 02:15:49,440
vehicles longer than 10.5 meters from
crossing the railway crossing at Shields

1643
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:55,520
Lane and amending the parking traffic
bylaw 21-2024

1644
02:15:52,480 --> 02:16:00,800
schedule G accordingly. Uh the changes
follow a June 1st 2026 collision at

1645
02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:06,000
Shields Lane grade crossing involving a
CN freight train and a triacle truck. no

1646
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:11,920
serious injuries or toxic spills were
reported. Uh or a review under Transport

1647
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:17,280
Canada grade crossing regulations
identified that sighteline requirements

1648
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:22,880
depend on the designed vehicle used with
a Transport Canada safety inspection.

1649
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:27,920
Sorry. Used um Transport Candy Transport
Canada safety inspector agreed upgrading

1650
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:33,920
the design vehicle to a medium singleuse
truck would improve safety for longer

1651
02:16:30,719 --> 02:16:38,160
agricultural service type vehicles.
Updating the grade crossing data and

1652
02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:43,200
required signage which should be
happening tomorrow morning. Um and the

1653
02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:47,519
bylaw documentation are being finalized
and remaining data upgrades will be

1654
02:16:45,439 --> 02:16:53,359
submitted to the transport to transport
Canada before the July 28th 26 2026

1655
02:16:51,599 --> 02:16:57,519
deadline. Have any questions? I'd be
happy to answer them.

1656
02:16:55,359 --> 02:17:02,880
» Thanks Mr. Craraven. Any questions from
council?

1657
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:04,479
» I think in light of what happened this
is a good move.

1658
02:17:03,679 --> 02:17:10,080
» Lucky.
>> Okay. a mover and a seconder to receive

1659
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:15,599
this um report and authorize the fire
chief to negotiate a temporary facility.

1660
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:23,679
You Oh, I'm sorry. I dropped down that
line again. Um the report number PW022

1661
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:27,519
Shield 26 Shields lanes vehicle length
re restriction be received for

1662
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:32,719
information
that vehicles with a length greater than

1663
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:37,760
10.5 m be prohibited to cross the
railway crossing on Shields Lane and

1664
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:44,719
that council consider the bylaw
amendment bylaw 212024

1665
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:51,040
parking and traffic bylaw in bylaw
section of the agenda.

1666
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:57,359
Moving the second move by uh councelor
Heman and seconded by councelor

1667
02:17:52,800 --> 02:18:04,120
Crockett. All in favor and that carries.
So the next one is item 12.4 FS014-26

1668
02:18:04,479 --> 02:18:10,960
request permanent doubling of the
Ontario community infrastructure fund

1669
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:16,639
and we'll look to our director of
financial services. Mr. Clark, may you

1670
02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:21,359
» through you mayor. This report seeks
council support for an MFOA resolution

1671
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:27,840
requesting that the province permanently
maintain the current enhanced OC if

1672
02:18:24,160 --> 02:18:31,280
funding level beyond 2026. Uh Temp
Center currently receives just under

1673
02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:36,479
$860,000
annually through OCF if making it one of

1674
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:39,920
the municipality's most significant and
predictable sources of infrastructure

1675
02:18:38,399 --> 02:18:44,399
funding.
These funds help support the renewal of

1676
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:48,080
existing bridges, roads, water,
wastewater, and storm water

1677
02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:53,439
infrastructure while reducing pressures
on tax, reserves, rates, and debt. Staff

1678
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:57,359
are recommending council endorse the
resolution and forward it to the

1679
02:18:55,439 --> 02:19:01,679
province for consideration. I'd be happy
to take any questions.

1680
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:08,559
» Thanks, Mr. Clark. Any questions from
council?

1681
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:14,479
» No. Okay. Uh then a mover and a seconder
for the um uh

1682
02:19:12,319 --> 02:19:23,000
motion as appended to your agenda.
Councelor Heman and Councelor Locky. All

1683
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:23,000
in favor? And that carries.

1684
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:32,359
And again, we'll turn to Mr. part for
item number 12.5, the FS016-262025

1685
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:40,399
operating and capital budget monitoring
report

1686
02:19:38,479 --> 02:19:45,280
through you mayor. This report presents
the municipality's 2025 year end

1687
02:19:42,800 --> 02:19:49,840
operating and capital budget results and
for the first time a formal capital

1688
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:54,720
project closing report. The operating
results reflect a relatively balanced

1689
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:59,760
year-end position. uh property tax
supported deficit is approximately

1690
02:19:56,640 --> 02:20:05,120
87,000. This will be funded from the tax
stabilization reserve. A water rate

1691
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:10,800
supported surplus of approximately
149,000 to be transferred to the water

1692
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:14,479
capital reserve and a wastewater rate
supported surplus of approximately

1693
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:19,120
244,000
to be transferred to the wastewater

1694
02:20:16,399 --> 02:20:24,000
capital reserve. Council will also
notice a new capital project closure

1695
02:20:21,439 --> 02:20:28,479
component. While council approves
capital budgets annually, completed

1696
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:33,120
capital projects have not historically
been brought forward in a consolidated

1697
02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:37,120
report for formal closure. The purpose
of this process is to improve

1698
02:20:34,960 --> 02:20:42,160
transparency, strengthen financial
reporting, and ensure that completed

1699
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:45,920
projects are formally closed with any
uncommitted funding returned to its

1700
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:49,359
original source for future capital needs
and consideration.

1701
02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:54,240
This year, administration is
recommending the closure of 33 completed

1702
02:20:51,760 --> 02:21:01,040
capital projects uh which you'll find on
appendix uh C representing approximately

1703
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:06,720
17.3 million in approved budget with net
surplus funding of approximately 1.9

1704
02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:10,880
million being released back to reserves,
reserve funds, and other funding

1705
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:16,399
sources. The report also provides
council with an update to on the overall

1706
02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:19,840
life-to-date capital program and
highlight sever several emerging

1707
02:21:18,399 --> 02:21:24,399
financial pressures that will be
important considerations during future

1708
02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:27,920
budget deliberations.
I'd be pleased to answer any questions

1709
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:32,560
from council on this report or
appendically.

1710
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:37,280
» Thank you very much for the report and I
have a feeling that councelor Locky

1711
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:40,640
might have a question or two. Go ahead.
Uh yeah, through your ship. I actually

1712
02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:45,439
got all my c my questions addressed
earlier, but um this is fantastic and I

1713
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:50,479
really appreciate you giving us this
much needed transparency on the capital

1714
02:21:48,160 --> 02:21:55,359
closing projects. Um and I just want to
make a comment regarding the wastewater

1715
02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:59,760
reserve. So, you know, we continue to
see um you know, favorable variances in

1716
02:21:57,680 --> 02:22:03,920
wastewater. And so it's just something
to kind of call out publicly for the

1717
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:08,000
next term of council when it's time to
set rates that we may want to consider,

1718
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:12,960
you know, continuing to freeze uh the
wastewater rates because we're continue

1719
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:18,359
to, you know, just add surplus and so we
may not need to have the rates as high

1720
02:22:14,720 --> 02:22:18,359
as they need to be.

1721
02:22:18,560 --> 02:22:28,560
» Thank Thanks Laki. Was there anyone else
wishing to comment on the report?

1722
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:31,760
» Yeah, I I do think this is a nice um
update especially this time of year

1723
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:36,319
because I know our directors have been
busy with projects and so it's nice to

1724
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:41,120
see the amount of uh capital works that
have been committed and uh get a little

1725
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:44,800
bit more of a preview as to what a uh
the next council will see at their

1726
02:22:42,880 --> 02:22:49,840
budget deliberations. So thank you for
this added step.

1727
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:54,080
» Thanks councelor Hman and I I appreciate
it too. The uh increase the reporting in

1728
02:22:52,479 --> 02:23:00,399
finance department is really
appreciated. So, uh, if there's nothing

1729
02:22:57,359 --> 02:23:07,600
else and we'll move to, um, get a mover
and a seconder for the agend, the, uh,

1730
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:14,160
uh, motion on this on agenda. Council Li
has mover and seconder, council Heman.

1731
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:20,240
All in favor? And that carries and I
understand we need a short recess, too.

1732
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:27,240
Okay, five minutes, people. We will
recess and then be back here at um uh

1733
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:27,240
7:28.

1734
02:28:48,560 --> 02:28:58,720
Ladies and gentlemen, 7:28 and we're
back online and resuming our council

1735
02:28:53,760 --> 02:29:05,479
meeting. Um, excuse me.
The next item on the agenda is 12.6 6

1736
02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:05,479
CSF-020-26

1737
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:11,319
live barn contract

1738
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:19,840
» through you your worship uh you have
>> you have before you report PSF020-26

1739
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:22,720
regarding the request to enter into an
agreement with Live Barn Inc. whereby

1740
02:29:21,359 --> 02:29:26,720
they would install live streaming
equipment at our two ice rinks. LiveBarn

1741
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:32,880
has partnered with over 100
municipalities across Ontario and is in

1742
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:36,399
over 4,000 ranks across North America.
I've heard back from the four other

1743
02:29:34,399 --> 02:29:40,640
municipalities within Middle Sex County
that have already partnered with Live

1744
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:44,319
Barn uh with no issues or concerns from
them. Uh the way that this arrangement

1745
02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:48,880
would work is that Live Barn installs
video cameras that automatically track

1746
02:29:46,399 --> 02:29:52,960
or follow the play on the ice. Families
then have the option to buy a live barn

1747
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:57,120
membership in order to be able to live
stream the games, practices,

1748
02:29:54,319 --> 02:30:01,280
competitions, uh, etc. with the
municipality receiving a portion of that

1749
02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:06,000
revenue. The main reason that Live Barn
is a consideration tonight is to provide

1750
02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:09,680
sports families that use our ice pads
with the opportunity to watch from

1751
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:15,280
anywhere when they cannot attend in
person. This is a higher level of

1752
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:20,479
service. Livebarn was very open uh to
revising their boilerplate agreement to

1753
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:24,240
meet those recommendations of our lawyer
uh as outlined within the comment

1754
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:29,200
section of the report. Uh in
installation takes 3 to 6 months and if

1755
02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:33,200
approved we would work on a live
streaming policy to be in place before

1756
02:30:31,359 --> 02:30:38,960
then which I have already initiated
talks with county IT in regards to um

1757
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:42,720
the municipality's commitments in this
proposed agreement are outlined on page

1758
02:30:40,560 --> 02:30:47,840
three. uh should you have any questions
on those. Uh we can expect approximately

1759
02:30:45,680 --> 02:30:52,000
$2,000 in annual revenue following our
first full season of offering live barn

1760
02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:56,319
at the facility. Besides the cost of
hydro, other municipal costs are

1761
02:30:54,319 --> 02:31:01,120
administration of the system and
potential liability which is reduced in

1762
02:30:58,880 --> 02:31:05,920
being named as an additional insured by
live barn. And I'm happy to answer any

1763
02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:11,920
questions you may have at this occasion.
>> Thanks Mr. McDonald. Any questions for

1764
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:16,160
members of council? Council Gman.
>> Thank you, worship. I think that's a

1765
02:31:13,359 --> 02:31:20,319
really neat, novel idea. Occasionally my
son will tune into our live streams. So

1766
02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:25,439
this is probably more entertaining for
most people than

1767
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:30,240
um
but on a I guess on a serious note is is

1768
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:35,439
there like because I know that like
these are children's activities and is

1769
02:31:32,479 --> 02:31:41,439
there any assurance that it is you know
limited access to parents and that you

1770
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:48,720
know you have uh the safety of the
individuals is considered in terms of u

1771
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:53,439
access to you know people's activity.
>> Uh yes uh through the mayor there's uh

1772
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:58,399
various options uh and the municipality
controls all of them. So once we're set

1773
02:31:55,680 --> 02:32:03,520
up first of all we can black out any
particular period of time that isn't to

1774
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:08,720
be viewed by anyone. Secondly if there's
a user group that only wants say it's a

1775
02:32:06,319 --> 02:32:12,240
family reunion and they don't want the
standard live barn customers who they

1776
02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:16,640
don't know to be watching their family
have a skate on the ice. They could

1777
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:20,800
instead we could limit the family
reunion to be viewed by certain Live

1778
02:32:18,800 --> 02:32:25,040
Barn members. Like say they've got Ma
and Opa over in Europe. We could set it

1779
02:32:22,720 --> 02:32:28,880
up that only Ma and Opa can can watch
that portion of Live Barn. So there's

1780
02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:33,200
options for that. We can also we would
also put it in hibernation mode over the

1781
02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:38,479
non ice season. So nothing is streaming
at all during that time. But otherwise

1782
02:32:35,359 --> 02:32:44,640
for normal things like say minor hockey,
should minor hockey agree to it, then

1783
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:48,640
anyone who's a live barn member can can
view minor hockey just like anyone can

1784
02:32:46,319 --> 02:32:51,640
come into the arena and watch the game
live.

1785
02:32:52,399 --> 02:32:57,840
» Anyone else with a question? Councelor
Lock.

1786
02:32:56,319 --> 02:33:01,680
» Uh yeah, through your worship. Um, so
I'm just curious why we chose this

1787
02:32:59,600 --> 02:33:05,840
vendor and if we received any other
proposals.

1788
02:33:04,399 --> 02:33:10,479
» So, uh, through the mayor, they
approached us. Uh, they're the most

1789
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:15,120
heavily used one. Uh the one that we had
explored earlier um at the request of

1790
02:33:12,800 --> 02:33:21,439
the Dorchester Dolphins was a different
group um NBC Sports Engine and uh as the

1791
02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:26,560
Dolphins and their league was being
mandated to live stream their games

1792
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:32,000
through that provider, that provider was
unwilling to change one letter of their

1793
02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:38,240
agreement with our lawyer having various
requested required changes. So, we did

1794
02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:42,240
not proceed with that uh provider. While
Live Barn, when I mentioned to them that

1795
02:33:40,479 --> 02:33:46,399
I don't want to paint the dolphins into
a corner, I spoke with the dolphins.

1796
02:33:43,920 --> 02:33:50,000
Live barn is that's fine. If if the
dolphins are able to and the

1797
02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:53,520
municipality is able to approve
something with the other provider or

1798
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:57,439
anyone else for the dolphins, that's
fine. So, these guys are really

1799
02:33:54,880 --> 02:34:01,040
flexible. This isn't about making money.
It's certainly not a money generator

1800
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:06,479
when we've got some admin costs. It's
just about us uh providing a higher

1801
02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:10,560
level of service and and live barn is uh
very experienced at doing that.

1802
02:34:08,560 --> 02:34:17,120
» Thanks
uh councelor Cockett.

1803
02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:23,439
Uh thank you for that. I think it's an
interesting concept to explore,

1804
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:30,640
especially because people are um
out and about more often and yet still

1805
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:38,560
very in tune to what teams uh are doing.
Um I think one of my questions is in

1806
02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:45,280
regards to recording. Um, can do we know
if live barn subscribers are able to

1807
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:51,680
keep records of games or is it just a
live stream taking place

1808
02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:55,920
» through the mayor? Um, you are also able
to go through archives and find previous

1809
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:59,920
games and whatnot. And the one thing I'm
not sure on but I'm happy to look into

1810
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:03,920
is I would assume because it is very
flexible for our control. I would assume

1811
02:35:02,160 --> 02:35:09,200
that we would be able to remove things
from archives if we wanted or if a team

1812
02:35:06,720 --> 02:35:14,880
wanted or whatever. Um the other thing I
should expand on a bit is so each person

1813
02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:20,560
who pays for a membership for Live Barn,
if they scan our QR code, then we get

1814
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:26,080
20% of that revenue. And even though
they're paying our through our QR code,

1815
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:32,560
they can then watch Live Barn when their
kids or grandkids or nieces and nephews

1816
02:35:29,200 --> 02:35:37,760
play in any other live barn facility
across North America. So it opens up

1817
02:35:35,120 --> 02:35:44,240
your ability to follow your teams or
your kids or grandkids wherever they

1818
02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:48,319
play in a facility that has Live Barn.
And then just a follow-up question on

1819
02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:52,880
that and I believe you touched on it,
but um

1820
02:35:50,960 --> 02:35:56,560
we would obviously need to make
amendments to our ice rental agreements

1821
02:35:54,880 --> 02:36:02,160
letting them know that this would be
taking place and I assume there'd be

1822
02:35:58,640 --> 02:36:06,960
like an optin opt out function as well.
Would we uh require additional signage

1823
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:10,720
since video recording would be taking
place in the arena?

1824
02:36:08,960 --> 02:36:14,000
» Great questions. Thank you. Yeah. So,
first of all, signage is required and it

1825
02:36:12,479 --> 02:36:17,520
is provided by LifeBar. They'll provide
us with as many signs as we want. So, if

1826
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:23,120
we don't want to paint a wall, we could
cover it in the signs. Um, and then as

1827
02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:28,240
for one of our responsibilities is to
make all the user groups where Live Barn

1828
02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:33,439
would potentially be on to make them
aware in advance that that is there.

1829
02:36:30,319 --> 02:36:38,000
They all have the option to opt out. Um,
and then we'd be responsible to black it

1830
02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:42,240
out for them. And uh yeah, we would
include it in the agreement as part of

1831
02:36:39,359 --> 02:36:47,359
the awareness campaign.
>> Just excuse me through you your worship

1832
02:36:44,800 --> 02:36:51,439
to councelor Crockett. I just we did a
privacy impact assessment on live barn

1833
02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:55,760
before we got to this point and their
answer about downloading data. It is

1834
02:36:54,000 --> 02:37:00,399
allowed. However, there are mechanisms
in place to restrict it in that live

1835
02:36:58,160 --> 02:37:04,960
barn users do not have that do not have
an acti active subscription cannot

1836
02:37:02,560 --> 02:37:10,000
download any video files and those that
have one are subject to only a monthly

1837
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:13,600
quota of minutes of video to download
and once they have reached those quota

1838
02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:17,359
that month they are prevented from
further downloading any more video

1839
02:37:15,359 --> 02:37:22,240
files. So they actually can't download
an entire game because it says it's a

1840
02:37:19,840 --> 02:37:25,520
small amount. So just snippets I would
assume so people can use it for

1841
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:28,520
recruitment videos but that would be
why.

1842
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:36,240
» Okay. Thank you to the clerk. Um,
councelor Heman

1843
02:37:32,319 --> 02:37:41,280
» and I I don't expect a resolution or you
know really response but it's is it may

1844
02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:45,200
be something to consider amending fees
and charges if there is this additional

1845
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:49,680
service that we may be able to provide
and if there is an additional

1846
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:55,520
administrative uh burden in doing some
of these activities that like it added

1847
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:59,200
you know you mentioned uh omopa over in
Europe or whatnot like that takes a

1848
02:37:57,760 --> 02:38:03,439
little bit more staff time and maybe
these are things that we want to

1849
02:38:00,319 --> 02:38:07,840
consider with our rental uh agreements
and or feaser.

1850
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:11,680
» Uh good comment. And to that point, a
couple of thoughts is first of all, I'd

1851
02:38:09,439 --> 02:38:16,399
look into what other municipalities are
doing in that regard as well as what we

1852
02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:19,680
could do initially if we kick it off for
this fall as we can do kind of a time

1853
02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:25,080
study on what kind of impact it is
having on staff time and then decide

1854
02:38:22,080 --> 02:38:25,080
accordingly.

1855
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:34,160
Thank you for your com comments,
councel, and thank you to uh director

1856
02:38:30,560 --> 02:38:38,960
McDonald. Um are we ready to move to the
motion? Okay. So, we have the

1857
02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:42,359
recommended motion before us that report
number CSF-02026

1858
02:38:43,439 --> 02:38:50,160
be received for information
and that council approved the venue

1859
02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:55,439
agreement substantially in the form
attached to the report with Live Barn

1860
02:38:53,280 --> 02:39:00,560
and that council authorize the mayor and
clerk to execute the attached venue

1861
02:38:57,600 --> 02:39:04,800
agreement with Live Barn. Move in a
second. Moved by councelor Heman and

1862
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:08,560
seconded by councelor Crockett. All in
favor?

1863
02:39:06,319 --> 02:39:14,080
And that carries.
Uh, next one. Um, Mr. McDonald, we're

1864
02:39:11,680 --> 02:39:19,920
going back at you. Uh, project
implementation agreement with Great

1865
02:39:16,319 --> 02:39:24,880
Lakes Canadians for field.
>> Uh, thank you. As council will recall at

1866
02:39:22,640 --> 02:39:28,800
the previous meeting, council approved
staff proceeding with negotiating an

1867
02:39:26,960 --> 02:39:32,319
agreement with Great Lake Canadians for
upgrading the Field of Dreams infield to

1868
02:39:30,399 --> 02:39:38,399
artificial turf with Great Lake
Canadians paying for this $400 to

1869
02:39:34,479 --> 02:39:41,680
$500,000 project beyond the $85,000 in
current available funds that the

1870
02:39:39,920 --> 02:39:45,920
municipality would make available to
help with this cost. Uh this report

1871
02:39:44,319 --> 02:39:50,080
repeats the various benefits of an
artificial turf infield. So I won't get

1872
02:39:47,760 --> 02:39:54,880
into them at this time but happy to
expand if you wish. Uh temp center's

1873
02:39:52,560 --> 02:39:58,640
responsibilities for this project are
final approval on all details, releasing

1874
02:39:57,359 --> 02:40:03,120
the available funds to Great Lake
Canadians to assist with the cost. Uh

1875
02:40:01,040 --> 02:40:08,240
two prep work items of some drainage
repairs and terminating some sprinkler

1876
02:40:05,280 --> 02:40:12,240
lines. um allowing Great Lake Canadians
to sell naming and sponsorship rights

1877
02:40:10,240 --> 02:40:17,680
for future improvements with those
payments still being made to Temp

1878
02:40:13,840 --> 02:40:21,920
Center. Um our issuing of donation
receipts were eligible and accepting

1879
02:40:20,319 --> 02:40:26,640
current infield materials at our
landfill. Uh this report was expedited

1880
02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:30,880
due to the desired project schedule
starting in just three weeks uh with no

1881
02:40:29,439 --> 02:40:35,760
other council meeting scheduled between
now and then. This has resulted in both

1882
02:40:32,960 --> 02:40:39,760
parties still working towards amicably
uh finalizing a few details of the

1883
02:40:37,600 --> 02:40:45,680
agreement. Uh staff would only move
forward should this be approved. Um with

1884
02:40:42,880 --> 02:40:50,240
any changes to the agreement uh being
supported by our lawyer. As a result,

1885
02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:53,840
I'm not sure if the wording of one of
the recommendations needs to be changed.

1886
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:58,080
I think we're okay with the fact that
there's a few tweaks to follow. Um

1887
02:40:56,080 --> 02:41:02,399
during review and discussion of this
project with finance, it was determined

1888
02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:06,800
that moving forward, it would be in the
municipality's best interest to revise

1889
02:41:04,960 --> 02:41:10,319
one term of our existing partnership
agreement with Great Lake Canadians. So

1890
02:41:08,720 --> 02:41:14,080
that's not this project agreement, but
our five-year partnership agreement. I

1891
02:41:12,560 --> 02:41:17,040
have since discussed this need with
Great Lake Canadians, and we will be

1892
02:41:15,840 --> 02:41:20,160
meeting with them to discuss and
finalize the proposed change, which

1893
02:41:18,880 --> 02:41:25,120
would then come back to council for
approval. Basically what this is around

1894
02:41:22,479 --> 02:41:29,359
is to minimize the impact on our annual
budget. We need to ensure a portion of

1895
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:34,160
sponsorship funds raised via our
ballpark uh sponsorship is retained for

1896
02:41:32,880 --> 02:41:37,840
repairs and maintenance of these
amenities as opposed to the entire

1897
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:42,880
amount being held for improvements and
expansions. And I'm happy to answer any

1898
02:41:40,399 --> 02:41:47,880
questions you may have at this time.
>> Thanks, Mr. McDonald. Any questions from

1899
02:41:44,880 --> 02:41:47,880
council?

1900
02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:55,840
» Go. No, I just think that it's it's good
that we're working with them on a on an

1901
02:41:53,840 --> 02:42:01,280
enhancement to an existing facility. I
know they've presented twice about their

1902
02:41:57,920 --> 02:42:06,080
ambitions for increased uh capacity. So,
I think this is a good way to, you know,

1903
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:11,600
trying to meet them halfway with our
within our means and obviously they have

1904
02:42:09,439 --> 02:42:15,280
a passionate group of people that they
believe they can fund raise with and so

1905
02:42:13,439 --> 02:42:18,720
I don't think we want to stand in the
way of that ambition. So, this is a good

1906
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:23,600
compromise. Thank you, Director
McDonald.

1907
02:42:20,160 --> 02:42:27,680
» Thanks, Councelor Haymon. Anyone else?
Okay, we're going to be moving to the

1908
02:42:25,760 --> 02:42:30,880
meeting about uh the motion, but there's
a slight adjustment in the word writing,

1909
02:42:29,359 --> 02:42:36,640
so I'm going to ask the clerk to read it
out. Just to address uh director

1910
02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:40,720
McDonald's uh statement about the fact
that the agreement may have a slight

1911
02:42:38,240 --> 02:42:44,479
tweak, we just the last paragraph would
be and that council hereby authorized

1912
02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:48,720
the mayor and clerk to execute the
project implementation agreement with

1913
02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:53,840
Great Lakes Canadian Baseball, Inc.
substantially in the form attached to

1914
02:42:50,560 --> 02:42:57,840
report CSF23-26.
Um and then all the rest is the same. It

1915
02:42:55,840 --> 02:43:01,200
just is we won't be making any material
changes. It's just some general slight

1916
02:42:59,600 --> 02:43:05,200
changes and we want you to know it's not
exactly the same as this.

1917
02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:10,160
» All right. Do we have a mover and a
second? Um moved by councelor Crockett

1918
02:43:07,920 --> 02:43:15,040
and second by councelor Locky. And all
in favor?

1919
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:21,680
And that carries. All right. We'll ask
the uh CEO to uh present on item number

1920
02:43:18,800 --> 02:43:26,800
12.8 procurement services agreement with
Middle Sex County.

1921
02:43:23,760 --> 02:43:32,399
» Certainly through you madame mayor to
council. This is a formal agreement for

1922
02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:37,520
the office that the county has set up a
few years ago that allows the local

1923
02:43:35,120 --> 02:43:42,960
municipalities as well as the county to
have dedicated staff for procurement.

1924
02:43:40,720 --> 02:43:48,800
So, we have jumped on to this at the
beginning of this year having some of

1925
02:43:45,840 --> 02:43:54,880
our procurements through the county's
office as early as January once and once

1926
02:43:52,080 --> 02:44:01,920
the budget was set. that all of them
since April have gone through county

1927
02:43:57,680 --> 02:44:06,800
office. The county recently uh developed
a an or county council endorsed the uh

1928
02:44:05,439 --> 02:44:12,319
agreement that you see before you.
They've shared that with our staff late

1929
02:44:09,040 --> 02:44:18,319
June and I've put council a report
together so that uh we could authorize

1930
02:44:15,120 --> 02:44:22,880
and formalize this arrangement that and
I will note this is already funded

1931
02:44:20,800 --> 02:44:28,600
through the county level. a levy. It's
not an additional cost to 10 center

1932
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:28,600
taxpayers.

1933
02:44:29,040 --> 02:44:38,080
» Thank you. Um any questions or comments
regarding this item?

1934
02:44:35,920 --> 02:44:43,359
» He just think that you know if we
partner on this service that hopefully

1935
02:44:40,479 --> 02:44:46,960
it gives our directors a little bit more
slack in their their schedule. they

1936
02:44:45,520 --> 02:44:51,520
still have to manage a large amount of
projects but uh if this can be an

1937
02:44:49,279 --> 02:44:56,240
assistance in vendor management I think
that gives us some capacity to achieve

1938
02:44:54,399 --> 02:45:00,399
all of the things that we have set out
for ourselves.

1939
02:44:58,960 --> 02:45:07,760
» All right. If there are no other
questions then um a mover and seconder

1940
02:45:03,600 --> 02:45:14,319
for the um motion on your u recirculated
agenda. Councelor Lock and Councelor

1941
02:45:11,040 --> 02:45:17,960
Crockett. All in favor
and carries.

1942
02:45:18,240 --> 02:45:26,640
Reports of committees. Item number 13 on
your agenda. Items listed under reports

1943
02:45:24,160 --> 02:45:31,520
of committees are approved by council in
one motion. Council members may request

1944
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:36,319
that one or more items be separated for
further action. And unless there's

1945
02:45:34,240 --> 02:45:40,000
something like
council,

1946
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:44,720
uh if I could, I'd just like to make a
comment regarding 13.1.

1947
02:45:42,720 --> 02:45:52,640
Um, I just want to thank everyone for
coming out to Canada today. It was hot.

1948
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:57,760
Um, hot is an understatement. It was uh
very hot. Um, but thank you to the Lions

1949
02:45:56,240 --> 02:46:02,160
Club. I think our fireworks were the
best year yet. It was pretty spectacular

1950
02:46:00,479 --> 02:46:07,120
to see the amount of people that were
there. Um, and so with that behind us, I

1951
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:13,520
just want to remind everyone that
Cornfest is taking place on Saturday,

1952
02:46:09,840 --> 02:46:18,640
September 12th, and we have uh a very
special local guest joining us for

1953
02:46:17,120 --> 02:46:23,279
entertainment that will be announced
shortly. So, yay.

1954
02:46:21,520 --> 02:46:26,800
Thank you.
I don't think I'm going to volunteer for

1955
02:46:25,200 --> 02:46:30,840
corn chalking again this year because
I'm a decided loser.

1956
02:46:34,080 --> 02:46:39,840
Okay. Um, councelor human.
>> I still have my trophy.

1957
02:46:38,560 --> 02:46:42,160
» Um, I knew
>> so do I.

1958
02:46:41,920 --> 02:46:44,720
Uh,
>> oh,

1959
02:46:43,840 --> 02:46:50,319
» game on.
>> I don't have a trophy. Okay. Thank you

1960
02:46:47,840 --> 02:46:56,240
very much, people. So, a mover and a
second to receive those reports.

1961
02:46:52,880 --> 02:47:06,000
Councelor Crockett and Councelor Locky.
Favor and carries. Okay.

1962
02:47:00,479 --> 02:47:11,760
a brief report from me for activities.
It's maybe a little bit lighter than

1963
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:17,600
some. Um I'm outlining my activities
from the last report. over in and above

1964
02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:22,399
regularly scheduled meetings involving
10 center council and middle sex county

1965
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:28,319
council. I attended three meetings of
the Kettle Creek Conservation Authority

1966
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:33,600
VI advisory board, the library advisory
board, one session of emergency

1967
02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:40,880
management planning committee in case of
any emergency that might involve the

1968
02:47:36,240 --> 02:47:47,279
municipality, a meeting of SCORE and a
very u enlightening tour of the B

1969
02:47:44,160 --> 02:47:53,439
facility led by um the director Jill
Smith. And accompanying on the tour was

1970
02:47:50,479 --> 02:47:59,359
um Minister Black and some of his staff
as well where we outlined um the need

1971
02:47:56,640 --> 02:48:06,080
for uh to be able to use the respit
bits. Um there's a lack of funding on

1972
02:48:02,240 --> 02:48:12,640
that one. Um in addition um I attended
the um local schools uh graduation

1973
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:18,960
ceremonies both for the secondary school
and the public school graduation. And I

1974
02:48:15,120 --> 02:48:23,120
had a um um It was a real pleasure to
hand out the the various awards

1975
02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:29,279
presented by the municipality to these
young people and we have received some

1976
02:48:25,439 --> 02:48:34,640
very nice um uh thank you note.
Um so

1977
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:43,359
I think that that will wrap everything
up for that report. Um,

1978
02:48:38,479 --> 02:48:48,800
so any unfinished business,
any notices of motion,

1979
02:48:46,240 --> 02:48:56,080
new business.
All right. So, moving down to number 18,

1980
02:48:52,720 --> 02:49:03,040
the bylaw section that bylaws uh move
into secondary that bylaws 57-2026

1981
02:49:00,560 --> 02:49:08,240
through 63206
be read the first, second, and third

1982
02:49:04,960 --> 02:49:15,200
time. And finally be adopted and that
bylaw 64-2026

1983
02:49:11,760 --> 02:49:21,680
be given first and second reading.
Councelor Lock and Councelor Heman, all

1984
02:49:19,439 --> 02:49:26,160
in favor
and that carries.

1985
02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:29,960
Um,
no close session.

1986
02:49:32,319 --> 02:49:40,160
Confirmatory bylaw being a bylaw to
adopt confirm and ratify matters dealt

1987
02:49:37,760 --> 02:49:47,359
with by resolution of the municipality
of temp center and that uh mover in the

1988
02:49:43,600 --> 02:49:52,560
secondary that bylaw 65-206
being the confirmatory bylaw be read a

1989
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:57,439
first second and third and final time
and be adopted.

1990
02:49:54,640 --> 02:50:02,479
Councelor Locky and councelor Crockett
all in favor.

1991
02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:09,520
Okay. And our next meetings uh will be
August the 31st uh Monday at 5:00 p.m.

1992
02:50:06,960 --> 02:50:14,560
followed by Monday, September the 14th
at 5:00 p.m. at the Thorndale Lions

1993
02:50:12,319 --> 02:50:21,359
Community Center.
So that being said, a mover and seconder

1994
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:28,560
to adjourn tonight's meeting at 7:49
p.m. Councelor Eman and Councelor

1995
02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:31,520
Crockett. And all in favor?
Thank you ladies and gentlemen.