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Good evening. I want to call to

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order our City Council study

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session for Tuesday, SEPTEMBER

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8th, 2026. We

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re going to have

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let

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s have Council member

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today. I

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ll lead the Pledge of

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Allegiance. All right. Hope

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everyone

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s having a great.

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Well, it feels like a Monday.

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It doesn

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t feel like a Tuesday.

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It

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s weird. But first off,

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we

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ll do the, uh, executed

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contract listing for JULY. City

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manager Martinez. Thanks,

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mayor.

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Good evening. Mayor, mayor pro

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tem and members of council here

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to answer any questions you MAY

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have about the information that

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was presented to you in your

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packet is our finance director,

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Katrina Asher.

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Any questions for our finance

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director? Anyone? I see none.

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Excellent. Thank you. Thanks

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for coming over. You got, like,

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ten more steps on your counter

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today.

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She

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ll be.

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Back. Next is the a470

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presentation. City manager

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Martinez.

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Thank you.

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Mayor.

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At this time, I will ask the

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executive Director of a470, Joe

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Donahue, to have a seat. And I

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welcome him to the city of

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Brighton. And I will turn it

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over to Joe.

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Welcome. Oh, I think you got to

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turn on your mic. It

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s got to

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turn green. Sorry. There you

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go. I hope.

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You have as many questions for

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me as you have for your finance

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director. That was a pretty

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easy presentation. I hope the

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owner, if they

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re all that

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easy.

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You actually have a

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presentation? She did. I mean,

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she just had the attachment of

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the packet. That was it.

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All right. I

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ll take up all my

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time with presentation. How

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that sound? Well, MR. Mayor,

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Council members, thank you for

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the invite to come up and give

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an update on id470. Um, my name

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is Joe Donahue, executive

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director. I

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ve been in this

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role for about two years, just

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over two years. Um, I

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ve been

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involved with a470 for much,

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much longer. I served as the

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finance director from 2000 to

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2012, and then I left a470 and

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traveled the world, moved to

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Texas, and was a consultant

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working with toll roads around

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the country, and then came back

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in late 2023. And the interim

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cfo role and then was selected

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to be the new executive

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director. So I

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ve been in this

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role just like two years. Like

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I said, um, just taking this

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opportunity tonight and to

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really make the rounds with our

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member jurisdictions, uh,

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Brighton being one of them. Um,

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just to give an update on

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what

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s happening at a470. Um,

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talk about partnerships. Um,

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that

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s sort of the the new

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lingo you

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re going to hear from

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a470 is partnering and really

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being engaged in the community

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and really being, uh, a

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regional transportation partner

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and not just being a 47 mile

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toll road that we are give some

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updates on what we have going

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on, um, operationally. But, um,

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more projects coming your way

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and then updates on what

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s

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happening in the state of

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Colorado with tolling, um, with

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the kto and hpt or a plenary on

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us 36 and sort of how that

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operation, how it works today

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and how it

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s going to start

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changing here in the near

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future with hopes of maybe not

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fully converting to what

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re trying to do. But I

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give some updates on what

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happening there. Just a real

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quick about e4 70 e4 70. Um, as

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I said, it

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s a 47 mile toll

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road. It was sort of thought up

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in the late 80s. There

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s a

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public highway authority law

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passed, um, where local

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government owned, um, we

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sort of a government owned

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business with no recourse to

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the cities and counties that

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sit on our board. Um, but it

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means that the, the board,

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which is made up of council

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members, mayors, county

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commissioners from each of the

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jurisdictions, makes all the

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policies, makes all the

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decisions, and then it

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s all

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carried out by the staff, um,

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funded solely by tolls. Um, and

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that is a little bit of the

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white lie. If anybody that

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been in the state any amount of

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time knows that early on in e4

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70, in the early 90s, there was

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a vehicle registration fee

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assessed in Adams, Arapahoe and

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Douglas counties. It was voter

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approved. It was a $10 fee

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added to your registration, for

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which e4 70 got $8.50 of that

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actually supported $40 million

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in bonds and the original

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financing. And it was really a

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request by the investment

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community, um, to have local,

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um, participation and local buy

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in. And they felt that if

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taxpayers approve something,

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that means they

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drive the road. Um, those bonds

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were in fact the fees in about

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2010. And then the, uh, they

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were completely paid off. And

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then the fee was, uh, they

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stopped collecting in about

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2016 or 17, I believe. Um,

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today, average daily drivers,

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about 81,000 customers drive

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the road. That equates to about

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302,000 transactions a day. We

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have 2.7 million express toll

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transponders on the street

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today. And different vehicles.

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Um, and so to date, we have

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done about 70.1 million

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transactions. We

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ll probably

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eclipse about 115 million

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transactions for the year for

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2026. Um, the other thing about

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the transponders, uh, 2.7

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million represents about 75% of

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the registered vehicles and

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sort of the Front Range area by

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just doing a search. So there

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a high saturation of

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transponders out on the street,

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and that

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s going to be an

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important stat when we start

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talking about what

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with tolling in Colorado. Um,

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quick history of e-4. Again.

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re a political subdivision

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of the state formed under state

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legislation. And it was really

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some really innovative thinkers

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back in the late 80s. Um, and

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if you look at the the picture

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there, I believe, uh, Roy Romer

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is in there. I think Bill Owens

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actually ran the legislation as

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a senator in Colorado. And the

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idea was there was no way to

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build a beltway that they knew

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was going to be necessary for

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the eastern and northeastern

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regions of Denver to develop.

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any traditional funding. So

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they created the Public Highway

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Authority Act, at which point e

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for 70 public highway authority

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was created. The first section

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of road was opened in 1991,

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which went from I-25 to Parker

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Road. It was a single toll

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plaza, and it was that way for

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almost a decade. And then in

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the late 90s, 97, 98, the

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biggest section of the road,

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which basically went from

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Parker Road to 120th, opened.

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different sections. Um, but it,

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you know, it was completed in

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97, 98. And then segment four,

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which was the last section from

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120th Avenue up to I-25, was

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opened in 2003. It was opened

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as a four lane divided highway.

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of e 470. The master plan has

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it ultimately built out to an

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eight lane divided highway,

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with more interchanges that

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were than were built at the

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beginning. But the idea was,

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get it built with the funding

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that they had, keeping the

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funding as small as possible at

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the time, and then allow its

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cash flow to support the

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widening, adding capacity,

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building out new interchanges

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and whatnot. Um, in 2009, e4 70

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became one of the first toll

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roads in the country to go 100%

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cashless, meaning we shut down

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the cash lanes, we shut down

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the atm machines at the ramp,

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so we started taking pictures.

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Um, by 2025, where we sit, you

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know, just a year ago, e 470 is

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again been fully cashless in in

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2009, they started thinking

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about widening and we widened

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the first section of the road.

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of a bunch of that pavement

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that was put down, and it was

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starting to fail already. But

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there says 16 miles is actually

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36 of the 47 miles are now six

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Um, and we

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re actually starting

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the next phase of widening,

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which is 104th to us 85. That

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construction is starting

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imminently, um, with the goal

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of having it widened up to us

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85 by the end of 2027 or early

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2028. Um, so like I mentioned,

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a470 is locally owned and

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operated. It

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s made up of the

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three counties in five cities

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Adams, Arapahoe and Douglas

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counties, and then Thornton,

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Brighton, Commerce City, Aurora

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and Parker make up the voting

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membership. There

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s also

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non-voting members, uh, most of

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the non-voting members are

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either jurisdictions that are

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sort of at the terminus or that

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we

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re impacting. So Weld

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County, Arvada sits in there,

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Broomfield, Greeley, which is

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sort of an oddity because

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they

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re pretty far out there.

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But there was a point in time

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where they felt Greeley was

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important. Lone tree, Weld

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County. Um, and then you

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ve got

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CDot, doctor Cog, uh, regional

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Air Quality and rtd. So

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partnerships, you know, when I

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started a470, you know, really

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the focus was to really become

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a really financially viable

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organization, which it

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s done

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very successfully. And it was

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really to get to a point where

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our level, we had level debt

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service, which means right now

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we pay about $110 million a

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year in our mortgage, and we

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ll

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continue to pay that for about

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15 more years. Um, but we

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re

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also at a point where we

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ve got

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about $2.5 billion of capital

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that needs to be done and

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expanded capacity, new

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interchanges. And then we

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re

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going to have to start

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considering capital replacement

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of some of the bridges and

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structures that are, you know,

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getting to be 40, 50 years old.

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Um, so talk about local

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partnership. You know, one of

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the key partnerships and this

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council is very aware of the

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Sable Boulevard interchange. It

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was an agreement between the

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city a470 and Adams County. It

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was an agreement that was inked

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many years ago. And the

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construction obviously just

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opened here just recently. Um,

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that was key. And that

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s sort

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of how we

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re trying to become

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as a470, you know, we

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re going

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to be part of the solution. We

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can be part of it either by

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constructing things, by being,

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uh, financing partners. Um,

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really whatever it takes. And I

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think for me, I envision a470

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again is more of a regional

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partner and not just worried

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about a470. You know, we

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re

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going to take care of our asset

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first, making sure that the

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road and the service we deliver

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is what

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s expected. But if we

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can do more, we

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re going to try

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to do more. Um, other

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partnerships, of course. You

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know, we talked about Sable.

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We

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ve also made a large

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investment into the Riverdale

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Bluffs trail system. That was a

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partnership with Adams County.

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Um, and we continue to look at

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other opportunities. We

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re

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looking at potential

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partnerships with den as they

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start to look at Pena

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Boulevard. Um, we

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re also

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looking at other construction

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projects up here to increase

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the connectivity to our road,

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but also access to our road at

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the major, um, interstate

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interchanges at I-76 and I-70.

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Um, in addition, we

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re getting

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out in the community quite a

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bit. Um, we

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re committed to

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sponsoring and being in local

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events and all of our

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jurisdictions. 2 to 3 a year.

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Um, I think we got listed up

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there we are the bright Summer

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fest, the flicks and kicks and

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the holiday tree lighting

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ceremony will be a part of here

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in Brighton. But we

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re also,

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like I said, heavily involved

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in all the counties and other

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cities in the area as well.

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Just a few more pictures. You

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know, the two, the opening of

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Sable and then the Riverdale

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Bluffs Trail. Groundbreaking.

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So some updates on a470 without

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going back, you know, into

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Covid. A470 was sort of an

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anomaly in the country. We

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recovered from Covid in about

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two years, and there are some

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toll roads that are just now,

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00:14:05,525 --> 00:14:06,794
you know, in the last year or

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so hitting their stride to

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where they were pre-covid. We

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hit our projected 2023 numbers

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in 2023, and we actually

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exceeded them, um, by about 5%.

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And those projections were done

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in 2019. So before Covid hit,

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we were we were way ahead of

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00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:23,744
where we thought we

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00:14:23,744 --> 00:14:25,412
d be before

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00:14:25,412 --> 00:14:27,881
that happened. But just looking

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back into 2023, that was sort

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of the first full year of

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recovery where we were sort of

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where we thought we

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d be. But

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since then we

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re seeing about 5

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to 6% volume growth year over

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year on our road, which is

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pretty astounding. Most sort of

461
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mature toll roads see about 1

462
00:14:42,429 --> 00:14:42,829
to 3% growth, and we

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re seeing

464
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closer to six. A lot of that

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s

466
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attributed to what

467
00:14:45,833 --> 00:14:46,800
s happening

468
00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,169
on the north end of the road.

469
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Everything north of I-70, all

470
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the growth in Adams County,

471
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Brighton, of course, Commerce

472
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City, Thornton, um, and we

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re

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also looking up into Weld

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County and sort of looking up

476
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I-76 and seeing what that

477
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s

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what

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s happening out there in

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addition to what

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s happening at

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00:15:02,549 --> 00:15:03,551
the airport with Aerotropolis

483
00:15:03,551 --> 00:15:05,319
and all the development around

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00:15:05,319 --> 00:15:06,753
the airport. Um, I think the

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the story was, you know, if you

486
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you build an airport in the

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middle of nowhere, the city

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00:15:09,356 --> 00:15:09,557
will follow. And that

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s what

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00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:11,990
s

491
00:15:13,661 --> 00:15:15,129
starting to happen. Um, so to

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date this year, um, we

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00:15:15,295 --> 00:15:17,295
re

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00:15:17,798 --> 00:15:19,733
seeing about 9.2 million

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00:15:19,733 --> 00:15:21,635
average transactions per month.

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00:15:21,635 --> 00:15:23,604
I mentioned the 302,000

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00:15:23,604 --> 00:15:26,730
earlier. We did have a record.

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00:15:26,730 --> 00:15:27,775
We did 405,000 transactions in

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the single day on JUNE 18th,

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00:15:29,209 --> 00:15:31,110
and we will break that record

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this year still. And then we,

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like I said, about 6% growth

503
00:15:34,915 --> 00:15:36,283
year over year, year to date.

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One of the important things we

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did when I came back was to

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really rebrand a470. You

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00:15:40,287 --> 00:15:41,889
ll

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00:15:41,889 --> 00:15:42,222
start to see a new logo come

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00:15:42,222 --> 00:15:43,724
out. It

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00:15:43,724 --> 00:15:44,892
s a very simple you see

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00:15:44,892 --> 00:15:46,527
it up in the right hand corner,

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00:15:46,527 --> 00:15:46,760
the black a470, that

513
00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:47,628
s our

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00:15:47,628 --> 00:15:49,396
logo. There

515
00:15:49,396 --> 00:15:50,598
s no graphic

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00:15:50,598 --> 00:15:52,533
involved with it. We want it to

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00:15:52,533 --> 00:15:54,100
be really simple, but we wanted

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00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:55,235
to sort of rebrand in the sense

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that we wanted the the

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community to see us as a

521
00:15:58,773 --> 00:15:58,972
partner and not just a business

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00:15:58,972 --> 00:16:00,107
that

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00:16:00,107 --> 00:16:01,608
s making money. Because I

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00:16:01,608 --> 00:16:03,110
think what happened to a470

525
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:04,412
over the years was, you know,

526
00:16:04,412 --> 00:16:05,479
we we, you know, we find

527
00:16:05,479 --> 00:16:06,647
ourselves in the news because

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00:16:06,647 --> 00:16:08,150
the customer calls. We might

529
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:08,682
have made a mistake on a bill

530
00:16:08,682 --> 00:16:09,250
and and that

531
00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:11,250
s all the

532
00:16:11,318 --> 00:16:13,287
community hears about a470 is

533
00:16:13,287 --> 00:16:14,222
all the mistakes we make. Um,

534
00:16:14,222 --> 00:16:15,823
and so I thought it was

535
00:16:15,823 --> 00:16:18,292
important for people to see e

536
00:16:18,292 --> 00:16:19,727
for 70 more as a partner as, as

537
00:16:19,727 --> 00:16:20,940
a resource to the community.

538
00:16:20,940 --> 00:16:20,929
And so that

539
00:16:20,929 --> 00:16:22,396
s really been our

540
00:16:22,396 --> 00:16:24,465
effort. You know, we did this

541
00:16:24,465 --> 00:16:25,834
rebrand. It started early this

542
00:16:25,834 --> 00:16:28,168
year. You MAY have seen some of

543
00:16:28,168 --> 00:16:29,303
the stuff that was sort of a

544
00:16:29,303 --> 00:16:29,470
scandalous, you know, what

545
00:16:29,470 --> 00:16:31,470
s

546
00:16:32,673 --> 00:16:34,542
happening at the a470. Um, and

547
00:16:34,542 --> 00:16:35,676
so we started with that just to

548
00:16:35,676 --> 00:16:36,544
sort of get people thinking

549
00:16:36,544 --> 00:16:36,811
about, you know, what

550
00:16:36,811 --> 00:16:38,312
s

551
00:16:38,312 --> 00:16:38,579
happening at a470, where

552
00:16:38,579 --> 00:16:39,247
s all

553
00:16:39,247 --> 00:16:39,614
the money going? Who

554
00:16:39,614 --> 00:16:41,416
s in

555
00:16:41,416 --> 00:16:43,651
charge of it? Um, who sets the

556
00:16:43,651 --> 00:16:45,954
toll rates. Um, that was

557
00:16:45,954 --> 00:16:47,588
followed up by, um, sort of

558
00:16:47,588 --> 00:16:49,758
the, an automotive based

559
00:16:49,758 --> 00:16:52,159
campaign. And it was meet the

560
00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:53,928
2026 a470. And again, that was

561
00:16:53,928 --> 00:16:54,950
really to show people that this

562
00:16:54,950 --> 00:16:55,363
isn

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00:16:55,363 --> 00:16:57,298
t about getting customers

564
00:16:57,298 --> 00:16:59,166
to drive our road. I think the

565
00:16:59,166 --> 00:16:59,867
product we offer has people

566
00:16:59,867 --> 00:17:00,201
drive our road. There

567
00:17:00,201 --> 00:17:01,636
s not

568
00:17:01,636 --> 00:17:03,838
much we can do to move that

569
00:17:03,838 --> 00:17:05,373
needle north or south. Um, but

570
00:17:05,373 --> 00:17:05,539
if we provide a good product,

571
00:17:05,539 --> 00:17:06,808
it

572
00:17:06,808 --> 00:17:07,775
s dependable, it

573
00:17:07,775 --> 00:17:08,876
s safe.

574
00:17:08,876 --> 00:17:09,710
People can get to the airport

575
00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:09,977
on time. That

576
00:17:09,977 --> 00:17:10,378
s what

577
00:17:10,378 --> 00:17:12,246
s going to

578
00:17:12,246 --> 00:17:12,514
get people coming back. Um, and

579
00:17:12,514 --> 00:17:13,581
so that

580
00:17:13,581 --> 00:17:14,949
s really our push. And

581
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:16,484
so we, we launched this

582
00:17:16,484 --> 00:17:19,254
campaign and this shows just

583
00:17:19,254 --> 00:17:21,322
some statistics on how it was

584
00:17:21,322 --> 00:17:22,957
received. We hired a very

585
00:17:22,957 --> 00:17:24,359
unique marketing and branding

586
00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,493
firm. In fact, when we hired

587
00:17:25,493 --> 00:17:26,628
them, they had never done

588
00:17:26,628 --> 00:17:27,995
anything in the government

589
00:17:27,995 --> 00:17:29,297
sector. The companies name

590
00:17:29,297 --> 00:17:30,998
standard practice. And they

591
00:17:30,998 --> 00:17:32,967
came in and I said, look, your

592
00:17:32,967 --> 00:17:35,200
goal is to get people to like

593
00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,270
a470 and not know why they like

594
00:17:36,270 --> 00:17:37,805
driving and why they like it.

595
00:17:37,805 --> 00:17:37,939
Toll road. And they said, we

596
00:17:37,939 --> 00:17:38,906
re

597
00:17:38,906 --> 00:17:40,141
going to try to make you like

598
00:17:40,141 --> 00:17:40,875
the London Underground. And

599
00:17:40,875 --> 00:17:41,420
they said, remember, that

600
00:17:41,420 --> 00:17:42,277
s

601
00:17:42,277 --> 00:17:42,677
just a subway. But it

602
00:17:42,677 --> 00:17:44,445
s sort of

603
00:17:44,445 --> 00:17:45,747
an iconic thing. And they said

604
00:17:45,747 --> 00:17:47,248
when people start wearing your

605
00:17:47,248 --> 00:17:47,515
logo on a hat or on a shirt,

606
00:17:47,515 --> 00:17:48,683
then you

607
00:17:48,683 --> 00:17:48,849
ve made it. And so

608
00:17:48,849 --> 00:17:50,510
we

609
00:17:50,510 --> 00:17:51,152
re not there yet. I wear the

610
00:17:51,152 --> 00:17:51,319
logo on my shirt, but I haven

611
00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:53,200
t

612
00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:53,221
seen my neighbours yet, so. But

613
00:17:53,221 --> 00:17:54,322
that

614
00:17:54,322 --> 00:17:55,924
s the goal. It was really

615
00:17:55,924 --> 00:17:58,192
just to get people to see. E4

616
00:17:58,192 --> 00:17:59,160
70 is something friendly and

617
00:17:59,160 --> 00:17:59,460
not, like I said, we

618
00:17:59,460 --> 00:18:00,729
re not

619
00:18:00,729 --> 00:18:01,763
sort of the Death Star out in

620
00:18:01,763 --> 00:18:03,698
Aurora that just wants your

621
00:18:03,698 --> 00:18:04,499
money and to go away. You know,

622
00:18:04,499 --> 00:18:05,700
we want people to have a good

623
00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:07,302
experience and we want it to be

624
00:18:07,302 --> 00:18:08,904
right, but we also want them to

625
00:18:08,904 --> 00:18:11,720
see and trust us with the money

626
00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,340
that they give to us to cover

627
00:18:12,340 --> 00:18:12,507
the cost of operating. But

628
00:18:12,507 --> 00:18:13,775
we

629
00:18:13,775 --> 00:18:14,709
re also turning the surplus

630
00:18:14,709 --> 00:18:15,577
money back into more

631
00:18:15,577 --> 00:18:15,776
infrastructure. And that

632
00:18:15,776 --> 00:18:17,776
s

633
00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,614
really our goal. Um, one of the

634
00:18:19,614 --> 00:18:20,815
unique things we did, and this

635
00:18:20,815 --> 00:18:22,984
is just a snapshot of what we

636
00:18:22,984 --> 00:18:24,519
did, we had a piece of the road

637
00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:26,188
on display at the Denver Auto

638
00:18:26,188 --> 00:18:27,388
Show this year, and that was

639
00:18:27,388 --> 00:18:28,489
very unique. We got a lot of

640
00:18:28,489 --> 00:18:28,690
people looking, you know,

641
00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:29,157
they

642
00:18:29,157 --> 00:18:30,292
re looking at really

643
00:18:30,292 --> 00:18:30,758
expensive cars. And they came

644
00:18:30,758 --> 00:18:31,226
by and said, what

645
00:18:31,226 --> 00:18:31,593
s that? And

646
00:18:31,593 --> 00:18:32,660
we said, that

647
00:18:32,660 --> 00:18:34,428
s the highway.

648
00:18:34,428 --> 00:18:35,530
And it was actually quite to

649
00:18:35,530 --> 00:18:37,365
scale. You can see it right in

650
00:18:37,365 --> 00:18:39,201
the middle, you know, 12in of

651
00:18:39,201 --> 00:18:40,769
asphalt, 12in of base and then

652
00:18:40,769 --> 00:18:41,168
12in of subbase. And that

653
00:18:41,168 --> 00:18:41,870
s the

654
00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:42,504
engineer said, that

655
00:18:42,504 --> 00:18:44,106
s about

656
00:18:44,106 --> 00:18:45,540
what we have. But it sort of

657
00:18:45,540 --> 00:18:46,841
gave people an opportunity to

658
00:18:46,841 --> 00:18:47,208
say, well, why are you here?

659
00:18:47,208 --> 00:18:48,910
What what

660
00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:49,745
s going on at a470?

661
00:18:49,745 --> 00:18:50,110
Tell us about what you

662
00:18:50,110 --> 00:18:51,580
re

663
00:18:51,580 --> 00:18:53,448
doing. Um, but it was just a

664
00:18:53,448 --> 00:18:53,615
unique way to get out there.

665
00:18:53,615 --> 00:18:55,416
We

666
00:18:55,416 --> 00:18:57,685
ve also made updates to our

667
00:18:57,685 --> 00:19:00,550
website. To me, the standard is

668
00:19:00,550 --> 00:19:01,156
set by Google and Amazon, and

669
00:19:01,156 --> 00:19:01,290
the expectation is when you

670
00:19:01,290 --> 00:19:02,324
re

671
00:19:02,324 --> 00:19:04,159
buying something online, it

672
00:19:04,159 --> 00:19:06,270
needs to be easy and it needs

673
00:19:06,270 --> 00:19:06,628
to be secure. And that

674
00:19:06,628 --> 00:19:06,862
s not

675
00:19:06,862 --> 00:19:07,663
us. We

676
00:19:07,663 --> 00:19:08,300
re not I mean, we

677
00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:08,930
re

678
00:19:08,930 --> 00:19:09,431
easy and secure, but we

679
00:19:09,431 --> 00:19:09,964
re not

680
00:19:09,964 --> 00:19:10,632
Amazon and we

681
00:19:10,632 --> 00:19:10,899
re not Google.

682
00:19:10,899 --> 00:19:12,134
And that

683
00:19:12,134 --> 00:19:13,201
s and I think the it

684
00:19:13,201 --> 00:19:13,568
department for a long time

685
00:19:13,568 --> 00:19:14,303
said, well, we

686
00:19:14,303 --> 00:19:14,636
re just a toll

687
00:19:14,636 --> 00:19:15,437
road. So we

688
00:19:15,437 --> 00:19:17,707
re just going to do

689
00:19:17,707 --> 00:19:19,308
what we can. And I said no, the

690
00:19:19,308 --> 00:19:20,609
expectation is that customers

691
00:19:20,609 --> 00:19:22,310
can come in, they can serve

692
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:22,945
themselves, they can work on

693
00:19:22,945 --> 00:19:23,478
the website. We

694
00:19:23,478 --> 00:19:25,248
ll be adding a

695
00:19:25,248 --> 00:19:26,682
mobile app here this year or

696
00:19:26,682 --> 00:19:28,383
within the next 12 months. And

697
00:19:28,383 --> 00:19:29,351
the idea was a customer should

698
00:19:29,351 --> 00:19:31,153
be able to do everything they

699
00:19:31,153 --> 00:19:33,321
need to on either the app or

700
00:19:33,321 --> 00:19:34,723
the website, and that includes

701
00:19:34,723 --> 00:19:35,560
look at all the transactions.

702
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:35,624
If they don

703
00:19:35,624 --> 00:19:35,824
t believe that

704
00:19:35,824 --> 00:19:36,558
s

705
00:19:36,558 --> 00:19:37,659
them, they should be able to

706
00:19:37,659 --> 00:19:38,793
look at the pictures on their

707
00:19:38,793 --> 00:19:39,995
phone or on their computer.

708
00:19:39,995 --> 00:19:40,243
They should be able to dispute

709
00:19:40,243 --> 00:19:41,630
if it

710
00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:43,980
s not them. Just like if

711
00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:44,199
you get a charge on your credit

712
00:19:44,199 --> 00:19:45,434
card, you can just make the

713
00:19:45,434 --> 00:19:47,169
dispute right there and it gets

714
00:19:47,169 --> 00:19:47,402
handled behind the scenes. You

715
00:19:47,402 --> 00:19:48,370
shouldn

716
00:19:48,370 --> 00:19:49,370
t have to make a phone

717
00:19:49,370 --> 00:19:49,738
call to us, and those are

718
00:19:49,738 --> 00:19:50,539
improvements that we

719
00:19:50,539 --> 00:19:52,474
re making.

720
00:19:52,474 --> 00:19:53,675
The system that we operate is a

721
00:19:53,675 --> 00:19:53,875
system that we built, and we

722
00:19:53,875 --> 00:19:55,511
ve

723
00:19:55,511 --> 00:19:57,780
maintained it for 20 plus

724
00:19:57,780 --> 00:19:58,714
years. The problem is that

725
00:19:58,714 --> 00:20:00,716
system is 20 plus years old.

726
00:20:00,716 --> 00:20:02,283
And so as technology improves

727
00:20:02,283 --> 00:20:03,752
and all this neat functionality

728
00:20:03,752 --> 00:20:05,420
is available on phones and on

729
00:20:05,420 --> 00:20:05,653
computers, our system can

730
00:20:05,653 --> 00:20:06,488
t

731
00:20:06,488 --> 00:20:06,655
hook into that. So we

732
00:20:06,655 --> 00:20:07,756
re

733
00:20:07,756 --> 00:20:09,858
spending a lot of time and

734
00:20:09,858 --> 00:20:11,560
money to modernize that system,

735
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,563
to allow this system to be much

736
00:20:14,563 --> 00:20:15,631
easier for customers. So just a

737
00:20:15,631 --> 00:20:15,797
list of some of the things

738
00:20:15,797 --> 00:20:17,265
we

739
00:20:17,265 --> 00:20:18,701
ve done. Security was our

740
00:20:18,701 --> 00:20:20,202
our top priority. Um,

741
00:20:20,202 --> 00:20:20,802
multi-factor authentication,

742
00:20:20,802 --> 00:20:22,271
which is everybody

743
00:20:22,271 --> 00:20:24,271
s nemesis.

744
00:20:24,372 --> 00:20:24,540
We can only send an email code.

745
00:20:24,540 --> 00:20:25,307
We

746
00:20:25,307 --> 00:20:27,176
re working to be able to

747
00:20:27,176 --> 00:20:28,210
send that to a text. Um, in

748
00:20:28,210 --> 00:20:29,778
fact, when we first launched

749
00:20:29,778 --> 00:20:31,479
it, it took like 15 minutes to

750
00:20:31,479 --> 00:20:32,781
get the code. And that was very

751
00:20:32,781 --> 00:20:33,849
frustrating for people. And so

752
00:20:33,849 --> 00:20:36,840
we made an improvement. Now it

753
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:37,552
comes in about 15 seconds. Um,

754
00:20:37,552 --> 00:20:38,687
but we do know that most people

755
00:20:38,687 --> 00:20:39,655
do everything in their life on

756
00:20:39,655 --> 00:20:41,690
their phone. And so we need to

757
00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:43,659
be able to send an sms message,

758
00:20:43,659 --> 00:20:46,295
um, working on that. Also other

759
00:20:46,295 --> 00:20:47,529
ways to pay um, and set up an

760
00:20:47,529 --> 00:20:50,232
account, add to your account,

761
00:20:50,232 --> 00:20:51,133
do whatever you need to do. Um,

762
00:20:51,133 --> 00:20:51,700
another service that

763
00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:51,834
s coming.

764
00:20:51,834 --> 00:20:52,134
I

765
00:20:52,134 --> 00:20:52,834
m sure you

766
00:20:52,834 --> 00:20:52,968
ve seen if you

767
00:20:52,968 --> 00:20:53,736
ve

768
00:20:53,736 --> 00:20:53,869
been on the road, there

769
00:20:53,869 --> 00:20:55,700
s

770
00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:56,372
several toll plazas that are

771
00:20:56,372 --> 00:20:58,740
being converted to gas

772
00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:00,109
stations. Basically, um, their

773
00:21:00,109 --> 00:21:01,243
service plazas. We partnered

774
00:21:01,243 --> 00:21:01,543
with a company called Apple

775
00:21:01,543 --> 00:21:02,378
Green. They

776
00:21:02,378 --> 00:21:04,460
re an a company out

777
00:21:04,460 --> 00:21:05,581
of Ireland. They run most of

778
00:21:05,581 --> 00:21:06,615
the service plazas on, like the

779
00:21:06,615 --> 00:21:08,951
New York Thruway, the new

780
00:21:08,951 --> 00:21:10,953
Jersey Turnpike. Um, they came

781
00:21:10,953 --> 00:21:11,954
in and made about a $70 million

782
00:21:11,954 --> 00:21:12,921
investment. And we have a

783
00:21:12,921 --> 00:21:13,288
ground lease. So we

784
00:21:13,288 --> 00:21:15,124
re actually

785
00:21:15,124 --> 00:21:16,358
collecting some revenue off of

786
00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:18,694
their fuel sales and their

787
00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:20,162
concession sales and their, um,

788
00:21:20,162 --> 00:21:20,363
different things inside. And so

789
00:21:20,363 --> 00:21:21,196
there

790
00:21:21,196 --> 00:21:22,698
s going to be one in

791
00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:24,660
Aurora, which is just south of

792
00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:24,233
our administration building.

793
00:21:24,233 --> 00:21:25,434
It

794
00:21:25,434 --> 00:21:27,303
s the old toll Plaza b,

795
00:21:27,303 --> 00:21:28,236
which is about Quincy on our

796
00:21:28,236 --> 00:21:28,904
road. Um, there

797
00:21:28,904 --> 00:21:30,505
s two up in

798
00:21:30,505 --> 00:21:30,706
Commerce City, um, which is

799
00:21:30,706 --> 00:21:31,640
there

800
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:32,508
s one northbound and one

801
00:21:32,508 --> 00:21:33,709
southbound. There are two

802
00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:34,843
different stations, but you can

803
00:21:34,843 --> 00:21:35,578
get to them on either side of

804
00:21:35,578 --> 00:21:35,844
the road. And then there

805
00:21:35,844 --> 00:21:37,844
s one

806
00:21:38,347 --> 00:21:38,647
in Parker. Um, those, like I

807
00:21:38,647 --> 00:21:39,548
said, they

808
00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:40,382
re making a huge

809
00:21:40,382 --> 00:21:40,749
investment and we

810
00:21:40,749 --> 00:21:41,416
re just

811
00:21:41,416 --> 00:21:42,117
getting rent. It

812
00:21:42,117 --> 00:21:43,218
s a 50 year

813
00:21:43,218 --> 00:21:43,419
ground lease. And so they

814
00:21:43,419 --> 00:21:44,587
re

815
00:21:44,587 --> 00:21:46,622
putting in all the

816
00:21:46,622 --> 00:21:48,900
infrastructure. We did make a

817
00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:49,458
small investment of about $10

818
00:21:49,458 --> 00:21:50,759
million that we would have been

819
00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:52,261
making anyway, because we had

820
00:21:52,261 --> 00:21:53,429
to at some point level those

821
00:21:53,429 --> 00:21:54,697
buildings and get rid of them.

822
00:21:54,697 --> 00:21:55,664
And we also had tunnels under

823
00:21:55,664 --> 00:21:58,000
the road, and we had a lot of

824
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,340
technology in those tunnels. So

825
00:21:59,340 --> 00:21:59,602
money that we were going to

826
00:21:59,602 --> 00:21:59,969
have to invest. We

827
00:21:59,969 --> 00:22:01,704
re actually

828
00:22:01,704 --> 00:22:02,605
getting back now in a return

829
00:22:02,605 --> 00:22:03,710
via the rent. So that

830
00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:04,340
s money

831
00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:05,942
that we can now reinvest into

832
00:22:05,942 --> 00:22:08,110
the road in the future. Um, the

833
00:22:08,110 --> 00:22:08,410
opening schedule is there. The

834
00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:09,245
first one

835
00:22:09,245 --> 00:22:10,512
s going to open here

836
00:22:10,512 --> 00:22:11,948
just in the next couple of

837
00:22:11,948 --> 00:22:13,490
weeks. Um, each of the

838
00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:15,218
locations will have, like I

839
00:22:15,218 --> 00:22:15,851
said, gas filling, um, ev

840
00:22:15,851 --> 00:22:16,185
charging. They

841
00:22:16,185 --> 00:22:17,219
ll have

842
00:22:17,219 --> 00:22:17,353
convenience store and they

843
00:22:17,353 --> 00:22:18,870
ll

844
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:18,787
also have, um, we

845
00:22:18,787 --> 00:22:20,123
ll have a

846
00:22:20,123 --> 00:22:20,322
Starbucks, and then there

847
00:22:20,322 --> 00:22:21,658
ll be

848
00:22:21,658 --> 00:22:23,359
a couple of restaurants and

849
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,261
those are listed there, Shake

850
00:22:25,261 --> 00:22:27,129
Shack, Panda Express, Burger

851
00:22:27,129 --> 00:22:28,797
King, Popeyes. Um, each of

852
00:22:28,797 --> 00:22:31,797
those will have two restaurants

853
00:22:34,270 --> 00:22:36,839
and then a Starbucks in there.

854
00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:38,274
So interoperability. And so

855
00:22:38,274 --> 00:22:38,441
this is sort of a term that if

856
00:22:38,441 --> 00:22:39,375
you

857
00:22:39,375 --> 00:22:41,176
re not from tolling, you

858
00:22:41,176 --> 00:22:42,178
MAY not know what it means. But

859
00:22:42,178 --> 00:22:43,212
starting about a year and a

860
00:22:43,212 --> 00:22:44,880
half ago, you were able to use

861
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,216
your express toll transponder

862
00:22:47,216 --> 00:22:49,752
in Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas.

863
00:22:49,752 --> 00:22:51,187
Um, and now last year, we added

864
00:22:51,187 --> 00:22:51,654
Florida, and now we

865
00:22:51,654 --> 00:22:53,455
re also

866
00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:55,258
adding e-ZPass. And e-ZPass

867
00:22:55,258 --> 00:22:56,793
makes up about 40 toll agencies

868
00:22:56,793 --> 00:22:57,260
on the East Coast. There

869
00:22:57,260 --> 00:22:58,427
s sort

870
00:22:58,427 --> 00:22:58,661
of the big gorilla in tolling,

871
00:22:58,661 --> 00:22:59,695
and we

872
00:22:59,695 --> 00:23:02,310
re bringing them on and

873
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:03,299
sort of phases. And so just

874
00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:04,834
starting here this month or

875
00:23:04,834 --> 00:23:06,769
last month, we brought on those

876
00:23:06,769 --> 00:23:08,170
agencies there. So if you have

877
00:23:08,170 --> 00:23:09,372
an easy pass in those states or

878
00:23:09,372 --> 00:23:10,540
you drive to those states and

879
00:23:10,540 --> 00:23:11,907
those agencies, you can use

880
00:23:11,907 --> 00:23:13,375
your express toll transponder

881
00:23:13,375 --> 00:23:14,410
there. And what happens is if

882
00:23:14,410 --> 00:23:15,845
you drive on that road, they

883
00:23:15,845 --> 00:23:17,790
send us the transaction, we

884
00:23:17,790 --> 00:23:17,313
post it to your account here

885
00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:18,214
and it

886
00:23:18,214 --> 00:23:20,483
s paid. And then we pay

887
00:23:20,483 --> 00:23:22,284
that agency. Same thing the

888
00:23:22,284 --> 00:23:23,252
other way. If if their customer

889
00:23:23,252 --> 00:23:23,853
drives here, we

890
00:23:23,853 --> 00:23:24,153
ll send it to

891
00:23:24,153 --> 00:23:24,821
them. They

892
00:23:24,821 --> 00:23:26,256
ll pay us out of

893
00:23:26,256 --> 00:23:26,956
their account. But what it does

894
00:23:26,956 --> 00:23:28,240
is it doesn

895
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,192
t require you to

896
00:23:29,192 --> 00:23:30,593
either get a bill from that

897
00:23:30,593 --> 00:23:32,595
state or open an account in

898
00:23:32,595 --> 00:23:35,198
that state. And so that was a

899
00:23:35,198 --> 00:23:36,733
mandate made back in 2006 that

900
00:23:36,733 --> 00:23:38,468
all toll roads be interoperable

901
00:23:38,468 --> 00:23:38,635
in the country by 2010. And

902
00:23:38,635 --> 00:23:39,669
we

903
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:41,871
re just now starting to get

904
00:23:41,871 --> 00:23:43,706
it done here in the mid 2020s,

905
00:23:43,706 --> 00:23:44,807
it was a federal legislative

906
00:23:44,807 --> 00:23:46,642
mandate, and there was actually

907
00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:47,978
a congressman that drove from

908
00:23:47,978 --> 00:23:48,211
Washington, dc to Florida, and

909
00:23:48,211 --> 00:23:49,912
he didn

910
00:23:49,912 --> 00:23:51,214
t understand why he

911
00:23:51,214 --> 00:23:52,715
needed a different transponder

912
00:23:52,715 --> 00:23:54,651
to go to Florida when he had an

913
00:23:54,651 --> 00:23:56,520
easy pass. And so they decided

914
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,120
to pass some legislation that

915
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,120
said all the toll roads in the

916
00:23:58,120 --> 00:23:59,455
country had to be

917
00:23:59,455 --> 00:24:00,323
interoperable. Um, it

918
00:24:00,323 --> 00:24:01,958
s quite a

919
00:24:01,958 --> 00:24:03,627
technological feat because the

920
00:24:03,627 --> 00:24:05,195
technology is unique on some of

921
00:24:05,195 --> 00:24:06,863
these roads, and it took the

922
00:24:06,863 --> 00:24:08,631
industry probably ten years to

923
00:24:08,631 --> 00:24:10,900
decide on which protocol,

924
00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:11,668
meaning the the tag that gets

925
00:24:11,668 --> 00:24:13,202
read, because there was

926
00:24:13,202 --> 00:24:14,604
probably ten different tags out

927
00:24:14,604 --> 00:24:15,905
there with different protocols.

928
00:24:15,905 --> 00:24:18,407
And so they zeroed in on three

929
00:24:18,407 --> 00:24:19,676
of them finally. But now every

930
00:24:19,676 --> 00:24:21,578
agency has to be able to read

931
00:24:21,578 --> 00:24:22,746
all three of those. And so

932
00:24:22,746 --> 00:24:24,581
which also means major

933
00:24:24,581 --> 00:24:25,982
equipment change out for us. It

934
00:24:25,982 --> 00:24:27,851
was right in our life cycle. So

935
00:24:27,851 --> 00:24:29,190
we did it. Um, but for some of

936
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:30,319
these East Coast agencies,

937
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:32,521
these are billion dollar multi

938
00:24:32,521 --> 00:24:33,156
year programs to change out all

939
00:24:33,156 --> 00:24:33,523
that equipment that

940
00:24:33,523 --> 00:24:34,524
s out in

941
00:24:34,524 --> 00:24:36,325
the lanes to be able to read

942
00:24:36,325 --> 00:24:37,493
transponders from Colorado,

943
00:24:37,493 --> 00:24:40,297
California, you know, all over

944
00:24:40,297 --> 00:24:42,298
the country. But more to come.

945
00:24:42,298 --> 00:24:43,633
There. Um talking about what we

946
00:24:43,633 --> 00:24:45,902
have coming I mentioned the

947
00:24:45,902 --> 00:24:46,690
widening program. Um, you know,

948
00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:47,637
we

949
00:24:47,637 --> 00:24:48,338
ll start the first phase of

950
00:24:48,338 --> 00:24:50,730
that is going under

951
00:24:50,730 --> 00:24:52,730
construction right around 104.

952
00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:55,279
So about 104th to I-76 or 120th

953
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:55,478
will be the first phase of it.

954
00:24:55,478 --> 00:24:56,546
There

955
00:24:56,546 --> 00:24:58,148
s a big wetland out there

956
00:24:58,148 --> 00:24:58,348
we have to manage through, but

957
00:24:58,348 --> 00:24:59,582
there

958
00:24:59,582 --> 00:25:01,184
s also railroad tracks.

959
00:25:01,184 --> 00:25:03,553
We have to cross it, I-76 and

960
00:25:03,553 --> 00:25:04,921
then another railroad at us 85.

961
00:25:04,921 --> 00:25:06,222
So the permitting process is

962
00:25:06,222 --> 00:25:08,910
quite arduous for us to just

963
00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:08,258
even widen that. Um, but what

964
00:25:08,258 --> 00:25:09,192
we

965
00:25:09,192 --> 00:25:10,494
ll have is three lanes in

966
00:25:10,494 --> 00:25:12,950
each direction and then getting

967
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:12,329
on at 76, I believe they

968
00:25:12,329 --> 00:25:13,763
re

969
00:25:13,763 --> 00:25:15,799
adding an auxiliary lane

970
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,100
eastbound. When you get off of

971
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:19,200
southbound I-76 to get on our

972
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,169
road to head to the airport,

973
00:25:19,169 --> 00:25:20,203
it

974
00:25:20,203 --> 00:25:20,971
s a little slow. It

975
00:25:20,971 --> 00:25:22,839
s a

976
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:23,806
cloverleaf style interchange

977
00:25:23,806 --> 00:25:24,841
right now. And so when you get

978
00:25:24,841 --> 00:25:25,410
the trucks coming up there,

979
00:25:25,410 --> 00:25:26,176
they

980
00:25:26,176 --> 00:25:27,677
re doing about 15 when

981
00:25:27,677 --> 00:25:27,877
they hit our road. So I think

982
00:25:27,877 --> 00:25:28,445
they

983
00:25:28,445 --> 00:25:29,546
re going to add an

984
00:25:29,546 --> 00:25:29,746
auxiliary lane also. So

985
00:25:29,746 --> 00:25:30,814
there

986
00:25:30,814 --> 00:25:33,149
ll be four lanes coming

987
00:25:33,149 --> 00:25:33,917
out of there. Um, to alleviate

988
00:25:33,917 --> 00:25:34,840
a lot of the friction we

989
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,840
re

990
00:25:37,888 --> 00:25:40,123
seeing there. Um, some other

991
00:25:40,123 --> 00:25:41,491
projects. Um, obviously sables

992
00:25:41,491 --> 00:25:41,992
wrapped up Stephen d Hogan

993
00:25:41,992 --> 00:25:42,425
Parkway. There

994
00:25:42,425 --> 00:25:43,760
s these are

995
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,895
traffic signals that a diamond

996
00:25:44,895 --> 00:25:47,300
interchange right outside our

997
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:48,640
office. Um, this is a project

998
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,333
that the city of Aurora is

999
00:25:49,333 --> 00:25:51,101
putting them in. But we funded

1000
00:25:51,101 --> 00:25:51,635
the project, and so we we

1001
00:25:51,635 --> 00:25:52,269
funded it. They

1002
00:25:52,269 --> 00:25:54,269
re getting it

1003
00:25:54,271 --> 00:25:55,538
constructed, and that gets

1004
00:25:55,538 --> 00:25:58,750
signalized at the top of our

1005
00:25:58,750 --> 00:25:58,842
ramps. Gartrell road, which is

1006
00:25:58,842 --> 00:25:59,143
down in Aurora. That

1007
00:25:59,143 --> 00:25:59,776
s a

1008
00:25:59,776 --> 00:26:01,378
project that we

1009
00:26:01,378 --> 00:26:02,450
re paying 25%

1010
00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:02,746
of it. They

1011
00:26:02,746 --> 00:26:04,470
re going to widen

1012
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:04,581
that to a I guess it

1013
00:26:04,581 --> 00:26:06,317
s a six

1014
00:26:06,317 --> 00:26:06,684
lane bridge now. Um, it

1015
00:26:06,684 --> 00:26:08,684
ll be

1016
00:26:08,852 --> 00:26:10,387
two through lanes and two, uh,

1017
00:26:10,387 --> 00:26:11,722
four through lanes, two in each

1018
00:26:11,722 --> 00:26:12,623
direction and then two turn

1019
00:26:12,623 --> 00:26:13,560
lanes. And so we

1020
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,291
ve got to

1021
00:26:14,291 --> 00:26:15,559
widen the bridge on both sides.

1022
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:16,760
But we also have to modify the

1023
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,127
top of our ramps. So we

1024
00:26:17,127 --> 00:26:18,728
re

1025
00:26:18,728 --> 00:26:19,663
helping fund that. Uh, the

1026
00:26:19,663 --> 00:26:20,330
biggest one you

1027
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:22,730
ll see up there

1028
00:26:23,333 --> 00:26:25,202
is the I-70 interchange, which

1029
00:26:25,202 --> 00:26:27,238
today the interchange when it

1030
00:26:27,238 --> 00:26:28,739
was first built, it used the

1031
00:26:28,739 --> 00:26:30,273
old Gun Club Road bridge

1032
00:26:30,273 --> 00:26:31,875
because it was cost prohibitive

1033
00:26:31,875 --> 00:26:33,877
to build a full interstate

1034
00:26:33,877 --> 00:26:36,313
interchange out there. And so

1035
00:26:36,313 --> 00:26:37,470
back in the early 90s or mid

1036
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:37,814
90s, they said, we

1037
00:26:37,814 --> 00:26:39,282
ll just

1038
00:26:39,282 --> 00:26:40,750
route the road over the old Gun

1039
00:26:40,750 --> 00:26:41,952
Club Road bridge. Anybody that

1040
00:26:41,952 --> 00:26:43,220
drove the road back then

1041
00:26:43,220 --> 00:26:44,955
recalls having to go through

1042
00:26:44,955 --> 00:26:46,924
four traffic signals while on

1043
00:26:46,924 --> 00:26:47,924
e4, I-70 to clear that

1044
00:26:47,924 --> 00:26:49,960
interchange, and then you could

1045
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,561
go back up the highway speed.

1046
00:26:51,561 --> 00:26:54,640
Uh, we alleviated that in the

1047
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,232
late 2000 by shifting mainline

1048
00:26:55,232 --> 00:26:55,432
traffic to the west, so you

1049
00:26:55,432 --> 00:26:56,166
didn

1050
00:26:56,166 --> 00:26:57,567
t have to go down to the

1051
00:26:57,567 --> 00:26:58,836
traffic signals. But when you

1052
00:26:58,836 --> 00:27:00,570
get off at I-70, you have to go

1053
00:27:00,570 --> 00:27:01,671
to the traffic signals. We will

1054
00:27:01,671 --> 00:27:02,506
have a fully directional

1055
00:27:02,506 --> 00:27:04,208
interchange out there,

1056
00:27:04,208 --> 00:27:05,410
hopefully in the next 5 to 6

1057
00:27:05,410 --> 00:27:06,610
years. We

1058
00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:08,610
re starting design

1059
00:27:08,812 --> 00:27:09,913
and the environmental process.

1060
00:27:09,913 --> 00:27:10,800
At the beginning of next year.

1061
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,114
We

1062
00:27:11,114 --> 00:27:12,549
re in the process of

1063
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:14,549
procuring an environmental

1064
00:27:14,585 --> 00:27:15,820
consultant to facilitate that,

1065
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:17,254
but that will be a project that

1066
00:27:17,254 --> 00:27:18,722
will be sort of a landmark

1067
00:27:18,722 --> 00:27:18,889
project for you for 70, because

1068
00:27:18,889 --> 00:27:20,491
it

1069
00:27:20,491 --> 00:27:22,526
ll have a multi-directional

1070
00:27:22,526 --> 00:27:24,161
interchange. While that is

1071
00:27:24,161 --> 00:27:24,328
under evaluation for Nepa,

1072
00:27:24,328 --> 00:27:25,897
we

1073
00:27:25,897 --> 00:27:27,831
ll start the same process at

1074
00:27:27,831 --> 00:27:29,166
I-76, which will be a much

1075
00:27:29,166 --> 00:27:29,332
bigger project for us. But

1076
00:27:29,332 --> 00:27:30,100
it

1077
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:32,203
ll also have a fully

1078
00:27:32,203 --> 00:27:34,105
directional interchange at I-76

1079
00:27:34,105 --> 00:27:34,271
and a470, which today there

1080
00:27:34,271 --> 00:27:35,372
s

1081
00:27:35,372 --> 00:27:36,941
only two movements there. You

1082
00:27:36,941 --> 00:27:39,843
can go from the airport or to

1083
00:27:39,843 --> 00:27:41,311
the airport. Um, from the north

1084
00:27:41,311 --> 00:27:42,513
side. And at the time, again,

1085
00:27:42,513 --> 00:27:43,714
it was based on demand. There

1086
00:27:43,714 --> 00:27:46,851
was not a lot of demand to go

1087
00:27:46,851 --> 00:27:47,919
from I-76 west to I-25. And

1088
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:48,785
there was just there was no

1089
00:27:48,785 --> 00:27:49,353
need. But we

1090
00:27:49,353 --> 00:27:50,788
re seeing the

1091
00:27:50,788 --> 00:27:51,155
development come and it

1092
00:27:51,155 --> 00:27:53,124
s time

1093
00:27:53,124 --> 00:27:53,323
to build that up there. So

1094
00:27:53,323 --> 00:27:54,491
that

1095
00:27:54,491 --> 00:27:54,659
s coming. In addition,

1096
00:27:54,659 --> 00:27:56,393
we

1097
00:27:56,393 --> 00:27:58,329
re doing a major retrofit

1098
00:27:58,329 --> 00:27:59,596
and upgrade of our, uh, roadway

1099
00:27:59,596 --> 00:28:01,232
surveillance system. We have a

1100
00:28:01,232 --> 00:28:02,633
traffic management center that

1101
00:28:02,633 --> 00:28:04,802
monitors the road 24 over

1102
00:28:04,802 --> 00:28:06,360
seven. Um, we installed a new

1103
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,338
advanced traffic management

1104
00:28:07,338 --> 00:28:08,773
system, which actually allows

1105
00:28:08,773 --> 00:28:09,706
us to, um, it

1106
00:28:09,706 --> 00:28:09,907
ll alert us if

1107
00:28:09,907 --> 00:28:10,908
there

1108
00:28:10,908 --> 00:28:11,910
s traffic traveling in

1109
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:12,176
the wrong direction. If

1110
00:28:12,176 --> 00:28:13,110
somebody

1111
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:13,277
s stopped on the road,

1112
00:28:13,277 --> 00:28:14,112
if there

1113
00:28:14,112 --> 00:28:14,311
s an incident, if

1114
00:28:14,311 --> 00:28:15,513
there

1115
00:28:15,513 --> 00:28:15,679
s debris on the road,

1116
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:16,947
it

1117
00:28:16,947 --> 00:28:18,749
ll alert somebody in our

1118
00:28:18,749 --> 00:28:20,718
traffic management center. But

1119
00:28:20,718 --> 00:28:21,752
today we have cameras that can

1120
00:28:21,752 --> 00:28:23,870
see the whole road, but they

1121
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:24,121
can only see half the road at a

1122
00:28:24,121 --> 00:28:25,356
time because we have to pan the

1123
00:28:25,356 --> 00:28:25,523
cameras back and forth. So

1124
00:28:25,523 --> 00:28:27,324
we

1125
00:28:27,324 --> 00:28:28,559
re doubling our high res

1126
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:30,627
cameras on the road so we can

1127
00:28:30,627 --> 00:28:31,795
see 100% of it 100% of the

1128
00:28:31,795 --> 00:28:32,960
time. Um, we think that

1129
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,960
s a

1130
00:28:34,666 --> 00:28:36,501
huge safety enhancement because

1131
00:28:36,501 --> 00:28:38,235
we can get, um, our roadside

1132
00:28:38,235 --> 00:28:40,370
assistance team dispatched

1133
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:41,172
immediately with that system.

1134
00:28:41,172 --> 00:28:41,305
If it alerts us if there

1135
00:28:41,305 --> 00:28:42,206
s

1136
00:28:42,206 --> 00:28:42,406
anything on the road or if

1137
00:28:42,406 --> 00:28:43,841
there

1138
00:28:43,841 --> 00:28:45,143
s a vehicle broke down.

1139
00:28:45,143 --> 00:28:46,544
Um, we also partner with the

1140
00:28:46,544 --> 00:28:47,779
State Patrol. So they sit right

1141
00:28:47,779 --> 00:28:49,247
outside our traffic management

1142
00:28:49,247 --> 00:28:51,215
center. We have a dedicated

1143
00:28:51,215 --> 00:28:51,883
troop on a470. We

1144
00:28:51,883 --> 00:28:53,184
re connected

1145
00:28:53,184 --> 00:28:54,318
to their radio system as well,

1146
00:28:54,318 --> 00:28:57,318
so we can dispatch them

1147
00:28:57,688 --> 00:28:59,724
immediately as well. So updates

1148
00:28:59,724 --> 00:29:00,924
here in Colorado. Um, this is

1149
00:29:00,924 --> 00:29:04,795
sort of the home stretch here I

1150
00:29:04,795 --> 00:29:06,330
believe. Um, so a470 has always

1151
00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:07,532
processed the transactions for

1152
00:29:07,532 --> 00:29:09,834
all the other toll roads in

1153
00:29:09,834 --> 00:29:11,269
Colorado. So as, as CDot got

1154
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:13,237
into tolling and they opened up

1155
00:29:13,237 --> 00:29:15,340
lanes on I-25 and then they did

1156
00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:17,976
a public private partnership on

1157
00:29:17,976 --> 00:29:19,410
us 36. And they added the I-25

1158
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:21,445
express lanes. The Northwest

1159
00:29:21,445 --> 00:29:22,747
Parkway came on. We have always

1160
00:29:22,747 --> 00:29:23,814
processed the transactions.

1161
00:29:23,814 --> 00:29:25,160
Meaning if you have an express

1162
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,551
toll transponder, you can use

1163
00:29:26,551 --> 00:29:27,719
any of those roads. But in

1164
00:29:27,719 --> 00:29:28,986
addition, we also do the

1165
00:29:28,986 --> 00:29:29,254
billing for those roads. So if

1166
00:29:29,254 --> 00:29:30,622
you don

1167
00:29:30,622 --> 00:29:32,560
t have a transponder,

1168
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,759
they send us the transactions.

1169
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:37,161
We process the billing. Um,

1170
00:29:37,161 --> 00:29:39,364
several years ago, uh, plenary,

1171
00:29:39,364 --> 00:29:41,866
which runs the us 36 and

1172
00:29:41,866 --> 00:29:42,867
central I-25 lanes, and kto,

1173
00:29:42,867 --> 00:29:44,169
which runs all the other

1174
00:29:44,169 --> 00:29:44,335
managed lanes in the state.

1175
00:29:44,335 --> 00:29:46,203
It

1176
00:29:46,203 --> 00:29:47,939
s the enterprise operating

1177
00:29:47,939 --> 00:29:48,106
under CDot. Um, they decided

1178
00:29:48,106 --> 00:29:48,707
we

1179
00:29:48,707 --> 00:29:50,975
re going to build our own

1180
00:29:50,975 --> 00:29:52,744
system and do it ourselves. Um,

1181
00:29:52,744 --> 00:29:53,378
we do that. There is a cost to

1182
00:29:53,378 --> 00:29:54,780
the state, but it

1183
00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:54,745
s a pass

1184
00:29:54,745 --> 00:29:55,747
through cost. There

1185
00:29:55,747 --> 00:29:57,747
s no profit

1186
00:29:58,449 --> 00:29:59,617
to a470. We have that, um, the

1187
00:29:59,617 --> 00:29:59,918
fee that is charged, it

1188
00:29:59,918 --> 00:30:00,252
s it

1189
00:30:00,252 --> 00:30:01,920
s

1190
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,354
tuned to the point that if we

1191
00:30:03,354 --> 00:30:03,488
stop processing that, we

1192
00:30:03,488 --> 00:30:04,689
re

1193
00:30:04,689 --> 00:30:05,390
going to collect that much less

1194
00:30:05,390 --> 00:30:06,224
from them. So it

1195
00:30:06,224 --> 00:30:08,260
s really just

1196
00:30:08,260 --> 00:30:09,394
a break even. Um, we did that

1197
00:30:09,394 --> 00:30:10,662
because we said, look, this is

1198
00:30:10,662 --> 00:30:10,828
these are government agencies.

1199
00:30:10,828 --> 00:30:11,830
We

1200
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:13,131
re just going to process the

1201
00:30:13,131 --> 00:30:16,167
transactions and not make it a

1202
00:30:16,167 --> 00:30:16,868
profit center. Um, the state is

1203
00:30:16,868 --> 00:30:17,535
doing it, and it

1204
00:30:17,535 --> 00:30:19,700
s going to be

1205
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:19,705
quite an expensive venture for

1206
00:30:19,705 --> 00:30:20,204
the state. And that

1207
00:30:20,204 --> 00:30:20,439
s something

1208
00:30:20,439 --> 00:30:21,974
that we

1209
00:30:21,974 --> 00:30:23,708
ve been working with

1210
00:30:23,708 --> 00:30:25,510
CDot and the state to try to

1211
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:27,846
understand why this is

1212
00:30:27,846 --> 00:30:29,681
necessary, because not only is

1213
00:30:29,681 --> 00:30:31,650
it going to, you know, be more

1214
00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:33,385
difficult, but remember, the

1215
00:30:33,385 --> 00:30:33,818
2.7 million transponders that

1216
00:30:33,818 --> 00:30:34,185
are out there that

1217
00:30:34,185 --> 00:30:35,286
s going to

1218
00:30:35,286 --> 00:30:36,855
make all those customers

1219
00:30:36,855 --> 00:30:38,189
question do I need a different

1220
00:30:38,189 --> 00:30:39,657
transponder? Can I use this

1221
00:30:39,657 --> 00:30:41,726
same transponder? Do I need two

1222
00:30:41,726 --> 00:30:42,260
transponders? Now the answer is

1223
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:44,610
no you don

1224
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:47,599
t. But I have to now

1225
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:49,367
explain that to possibly 2.7

1226
00:30:49,367 --> 00:30:50,201
million or 1.5 million

1227
00:30:50,201 --> 00:30:50,602
customers, that it

1228
00:30:50,602 --> 00:30:52,602
s going to

1229
00:30:52,638 --> 00:30:53,404
work the same. Um, so if you

1230
00:30:53,404 --> 00:30:54,500
have it, nothing

1231
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:54,539
s going to

1232
00:30:54,539 --> 00:30:55,373
change. If you don

1233
00:30:55,373 --> 00:30:57,609
t have it, I

1234
00:30:57,609 --> 00:30:59,100
suggest you get it. Um, but

1235
00:30:59,100 --> 00:30:59,211
that will be changing. Um,

1236
00:30:59,211 --> 00:30:59,711
they

1237
00:30:59,711 --> 00:31:01,213
re going to go through

1238
00:31:01,213 --> 00:31:02,681
some growing pains. Plenary is

1239
00:31:02,681 --> 00:31:03,948
actually starting their wind

1240
00:31:03,948 --> 00:31:04,116
down as we speak. They

1241
00:31:04,116 --> 00:31:05,116
re

1242
00:31:05,116 --> 00:31:06,918
started installing their new

1243
00:31:06,918 --> 00:31:07,752
equipment. And I think by

1244
00:31:07,752 --> 00:31:07,886
OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, they

1245
00:31:07,886 --> 00:31:08,720
re

1246
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,355
going to be doing their own

1247
00:31:10,355 --> 00:31:11,590
billing. Express toll will

1248
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:11,856
still work on that road. But if

1249
00:31:11,856 --> 00:31:12,791
you don

1250
00:31:12,791 --> 00:31:13,458
t have an express toll

1251
00:31:13,458 --> 00:31:13,825
transponder, you

1252
00:31:13,825 --> 00:31:15,493
re not going

1253
00:31:15,493 --> 00:31:16,528
to get a bill from a470 or

1254
00:31:16,528 --> 00:31:16,661
express toll anymore. You

1255
00:31:16,661 --> 00:31:17,663
re

1256
00:31:17,663 --> 00:31:18,830
going to get it from plenary

1257
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:19,264
roads. And so it

1258
00:31:19,264 --> 00:31:20,632
s just going

1259
00:31:20,632 --> 00:31:21,767
to be a different experience

1260
00:31:21,767 --> 00:31:22,300
for people. Um, we

1261
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:23,869
ve already

1262
00:31:23,869 --> 00:31:25,370
seen where customers are

1263
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:27,370
getting really conflicting

1264
00:31:27,906 --> 00:31:28,107
bills potentially. And so what

1265
00:31:28,107 --> 00:31:29,400
what

1266
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:29,397
s likely to happen is

1267
00:31:29,397 --> 00:31:30,740
someone

1268
00:31:30,740 --> 00:31:30,542
s going to think they

1269
00:31:30,542 --> 00:31:31,900
paid and they

1270
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:32,770
re going to end

1271
00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:33,211
up in collections or have a

1272
00:31:33,211 --> 00:31:34,713
registration hold on their

1273
00:31:34,713 --> 00:31:34,980
vehicle before they realize

1274
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:35,714
they didn

1275
00:31:35,714 --> 00:31:38,830
t pay the right

1276
00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:39,952
company. Um, we are actively

1277
00:31:39,952 --> 00:31:41,486
working on this, you know, at

1278
00:31:41,486 --> 00:31:43,121
the Capitol and with the state

1279
00:31:43,121 --> 00:31:45,257
and with anybody we can to try

1280
00:31:45,257 --> 00:31:47,125
to slow this down, or at least,

1281
00:31:47,125 --> 00:31:49,561
um, pause it so that we can

1282
00:31:49,561 --> 00:31:51,796
maybe make a better decision.

1283
00:31:51,796 --> 00:31:53,365
Um, but tbd on whether that

1284
00:31:53,365 --> 00:31:54,233
happens. I think with a new

1285
00:31:54,233 --> 00:31:55,340
administration, we

1286
00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:57,340
re we are

1287
00:31:57,202 --> 00:31:59,370
making some headways, um, with

1288
00:31:59,370 --> 00:32:00,138
both both candidates on, you

1289
00:32:00,138 --> 00:32:00,839
know, how we think that this

1290
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:02,508
can be a little more

1291
00:32:02,508 --> 00:32:03,709
streamlined in the future? I

1292
00:32:03,709 --> 00:32:04,977
think the other thing is for

1293
00:32:04,977 --> 00:32:06,311
a470, and this is really

1294
00:32:06,311 --> 00:32:08,947
important when I talk about

1295
00:32:08,947 --> 00:32:10,415
partnerships, a470 wants to be

1296
00:32:10,415 --> 00:32:12,618
aligned with the state, whether

1297
00:32:12,618 --> 00:32:14,286
it be CDot or cto or the other

1298
00:32:14,286 --> 00:32:15,787
tolling agencies in the state.

1299
00:32:15,787 --> 00:32:17,522
And what that means is

1300
00:32:17,522 --> 00:32:17,857
everything we do is stuff the

1301
00:32:17,857 --> 00:32:19,224
state doesn

1302
00:32:19,224 --> 00:32:20,459
t have to do. Um,

1303
00:32:20,459 --> 00:32:22,161
we fund it, you know, through

1304
00:32:22,161 --> 00:32:23,595
the tolls we collect. And so,

1305
00:32:23,595 --> 00:32:23,796
um, we want to make sure that

1306
00:32:23,796 --> 00:32:24,563
there

1307
00:32:24,563 --> 00:32:24,729
s no sense that we

1308
00:32:24,729 --> 00:32:25,898
re

1309
00:32:25,898 --> 00:32:27,332
trying to compete with them in

1310
00:32:27,332 --> 00:32:27,599
any way and take away something

1311
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:29,268
that they

1312
00:32:29,268 --> 00:32:30,536
re doing. So we just

1313
00:32:30,536 --> 00:32:31,970
want to get in alignment with

1314
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:33,672
whomever ends up as the head of

1315
00:32:33,672 --> 00:32:35,730
the Dot. When the

1316
00:32:35,730 --> 00:32:36,509
administration turns over to

1317
00:32:36,509 --> 00:32:36,742
say, look, how do we partner so

1318
00:32:36,742 --> 00:32:37,843
that we

1319
00:32:37,843 --> 00:32:40,243
re not infighting with

1320
00:32:41,146 --> 00:32:42,714
each other all the time? Um,

1321
00:32:42,714 --> 00:32:45,217
these are the agencies I just

1322
00:32:45,217 --> 00:32:46,685
spoke about. Um, and then the

1323
00:32:46,685 --> 00:32:48,421
changes that are coming. So

1324
00:32:48,421 --> 00:32:49,888
most immediately, the red

1325
00:32:49,888 --> 00:32:51,570
section there will be a

1326
00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:51,357
different operator. It

1327
00:32:51,357 --> 00:32:52,158
ll be

1328
00:32:52,158 --> 00:32:52,724
plenary roads. It

1329
00:32:52,724 --> 00:32:53,192
s the same

1330
00:32:53,192 --> 00:32:54,259
company that

1331
00:32:54,259 --> 00:32:54,526
s the p3 today,

1332
00:32:54,526 --> 00:32:55,694
but they

1333
00:32:55,694 --> 00:32:57,863
re going to be doing

1334
00:32:57,863 --> 00:32:58,531
all the billing themselves. Um,

1335
00:32:58,531 --> 00:32:59,298
eventually they

1336
00:32:59,298 --> 00:33:01,330
ve talked about

1337
00:33:01,330 --> 00:33:02,835
issuing a different transponder

1338
00:33:02,835 --> 00:33:05,771
type, but as of today, their

1339
00:33:05,771 --> 00:33:08,400
system is not ready to do that.

1340
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,675
And just to follow up, even

1341
00:33:09,675 --> 00:33:11,143
when they do, your express toll

1342
00:33:11,143 --> 00:33:12,311
transponder will continue to

1343
00:33:12,311 --> 00:33:13,120
work. And so it

1344
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,280
s going to be

1345
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,648
just like in any other state.

1346
00:33:15,648 --> 00:33:16,982
So if if you don

1347
00:33:16,982 --> 00:33:17,149
t change,

1348
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:18,417
you

1349
00:33:18,417 --> 00:33:20,786
re fine. Even when they

1350
00:33:20,786 --> 00:33:20,987
start making changes. Um, and

1351
00:33:20,987 --> 00:33:22,654
that

1352
00:33:22,654 --> 00:33:25,491
s it. I will take

1353
00:33:25,491 --> 00:33:27,491
questions.

1354
00:33:31,964 --> 00:33:33,299
Questions. Mayor Pro Tem.

1355
00:33:33,299 --> 00:33:34,533
Thank you for coming. And thank

1356
00:33:34,533 --> 00:33:38,104
you for sharing that. I really

1357
00:33:38,104 --> 00:33:40,906
appreciate it. Um, I think the

1358
00:33:40,906 --> 00:33:41,174
most positive thing here is

1359
00:33:41,174 --> 00:33:42,808
that you

1360
00:33:42,808 --> 00:33:43,809
re the first of our

1361
00:33:43,809 --> 00:33:44,430
partners. In the time that I

1362
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:45,978
ve

1363
00:33:45,978 --> 00:33:47,513
been on council, that actually

1364
00:33:47,513 --> 00:33:50,183
came and talked and wanted to

1365
00:33:50,183 --> 00:33:52,184
participate in a partnership

1366
00:33:52,184 --> 00:33:53,386
and engaged with us, uh, many

1367
00:33:53,386 --> 00:33:55,755
of them, if they deign to give

1368
00:33:55,755 --> 00:33:57,523
us any attention at all, simply

1369
00:33:57,523 --> 00:33:59,224
tell us how unimportant we are.

1370
00:33:59,224 --> 00:34:01,327
So I really appreciate you

1371
00:34:01,327 --> 00:34:04,327
coming here. And being that

1372
00:34:04,396 --> 00:34:06,532
that partner. Appreciate that I

1373
00:34:06,532 --> 00:34:07,533
tongue in cheek, I I

1374
00:34:07,533 --> 00:34:09,533
ll express

1375
00:34:09,535 --> 00:34:11,237
frustration that the boulevard,

1376
00:34:11,237 --> 00:34:13,637
uh, interchange happened so

1377
00:34:13,939 --> 00:34:15,674
quickly such that we ended up

1378
00:34:15,674 --> 00:34:17,310
by default behind schedule on

1379
00:34:17,310 --> 00:34:19,780
some of our saleable Sable

1380
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:20,346
Boulevard improvements because

1381
00:34:20,346 --> 00:34:22,882
that project was six months

1382
00:34:22,882 --> 00:34:25,751
ahead of schedule. Uh, however,

1383
00:34:25,751 --> 00:34:27,386
being a driver who absolutely

1384
00:34:27,386 --> 00:34:29,622
cannot stand the large loop

1385
00:34:29,622 --> 00:34:32,622
around to get onto westbound

1386
00:34:33,392 --> 00:34:34,493
470 at 85, I am so excited that

1387
00:34:34,493 --> 00:34:36,228
I will even put up with the

1388
00:34:36,228 --> 00:34:37,563
construction traffic on Sable

1389
00:34:37,563 --> 00:34:39,632
to get to that interchange and

1390
00:34:39,632 --> 00:34:41,668
avoid the terrible one. Uh,

1391
00:34:41,668 --> 00:34:41,934
over there. So I appreciate the

1392
00:34:41,934 --> 00:34:43,302
work that

1393
00:34:43,302 --> 00:34:45,702
s happening there. I

1394
00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:46,839
appreciate, um, the widening on

1395
00:34:46,839 --> 00:34:49,839
the north end and the

1396
00:34:50,876 --> 00:34:53,179
recognition that, uh, really,

1397
00:34:53,179 --> 00:34:54,213
470 is our access. I worked in

1398
00:34:54,213 --> 00:34:56,249
the tech center for a very,

1399
00:34:56,249 --> 00:34:59,152
very long time and without for

1400
00:34:59,152 --> 00:35:00,653
74, 72, an hour and 15 minute

1401
00:35:00,653 --> 00:35:02,855
commute and made it a 37 minute

1402
00:35:02,855 --> 00:35:04,570
commute on a constant basis. So

1403
00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:05,592
I appreciate the fact that

1404
00:35:05,592 --> 00:35:07,794
Brighton fits into that

1405
00:35:07,794 --> 00:35:10,630
strategy, and it is part of it,

1406
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:11,264
and it continues to get

1407
00:35:11,264 --> 00:35:12,898
attention so.

1408
00:35:12,898 --> 00:35:14,300
Well, I appreciate that. I

1409
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:17,336
mean, I think your commute sort

1410
00:35:17,336 --> 00:35:18,971
of is the message and not just

1411
00:35:18,971 --> 00:35:19,439
the time but the consistency.

1412
00:35:19,439 --> 00:35:19,839
And I think that

1413
00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:21,730
s what we

1414
00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:22,908
strive to deliver is

1415
00:35:22,908 --> 00:35:24,310
dependability. Um, and so our

1416
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:25,378
challenge now is during

1417
00:35:25,378 --> 00:35:26,712
construction, how do we

1418
00:35:26,712 --> 00:35:27,981
guarantee that dependability

1419
00:35:27,981 --> 00:35:29,816
without disrupting traffic

1420
00:35:29,816 --> 00:35:31,384
during the day when drivers are

1421
00:35:31,384 --> 00:35:32,552
out there and I apologize about

1422
00:35:32,552 --> 00:35:33,519
the accelerated schedule, I

1423
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,721
remember talking to the

1424
00:35:35,721 --> 00:35:36,956
engineers in DECEMBER, and even

1425
00:35:36,956 --> 00:35:38,224
internally I started talking to

1426
00:35:38,224 --> 00:35:39,459
our technology team and said,

1427
00:35:39,459 --> 00:35:41,161
you guys better start thinking

1428
00:35:41,161 --> 00:35:41,361
about technology because

1429
00:35:41,361 --> 00:35:41,895
they

1430
00:35:41,895 --> 00:35:42,428
re going to be ahead of

1431
00:35:42,428 --> 00:35:42,762
schedule. And everyone

1432
00:35:42,762 --> 00:35:43,396
s like,

1433
00:35:43,396 --> 00:35:43,529
what do you mean? I said, it

1434
00:35:43,529 --> 00:35:44,664
s

1435
00:35:44,664 --> 00:35:44,798
not snowing. Like we haven

1436
00:35:44,798 --> 00:35:46,199
t

1437
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:46,666
had to shut down at all. And

1438
00:35:46,666 --> 00:35:47,633
and that

1439
00:35:47,633 --> 00:35:49,135
s ultimately what

1440
00:35:49,135 --> 00:35:50,703
happened. And I think I talked

1441
00:35:50,703 --> 00:35:51,471
to Public Works and I said, you

1442
00:35:51,471 --> 00:35:51,638
know, unfortunately I think

1443
00:35:51,638 --> 00:35:52,372
we

1444
00:35:52,372 --> 00:35:53,706
re going to be way ahead of

1445
00:35:53,706 --> 00:35:54,707
you guys. And as you guys were

1446
00:35:54,707 --> 00:35:57,244
getting ready to start doing

1447
00:35:57,244 --> 00:35:57,410
the roundabouts, um, you know,

1448
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:59,212
we

1449
00:35:59,212 --> 00:36:01,214
re already open. So I

1450
00:36:01,214 --> 00:36:02,382
apologize. But Io know that

1451
00:36:02,382 --> 00:36:03,149
some people do like it because

1452
00:36:03,149 --> 00:36:04,450
it does get them.

1453
00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:04,718
To work quicker and they

1454
00:36:04,718 --> 00:36:06,718
re on

1455
00:36:07,287 --> 00:36:08,755
it. And I there are a number of

1456
00:36:08,755 --> 00:36:10,389
steps to that, and we probably

1457
00:36:10,389 --> 00:36:12,926
are the slow part of that

1458
00:36:12,926 --> 00:36:15,926
ourselves as counsel. Yeah. But

1459
00:36:16,896 --> 00:36:18,664
um. No, I, I really appreciate

1460
00:36:18,664 --> 00:36:22,264
you being here. I think that

1461
00:36:23,804 --> 00:36:26,105
that, um, 470 as, uh, airport

1462
00:36:26,105 --> 00:36:27,807
transit is going to become ever

1463
00:36:27,807 --> 00:36:29,108
more important. And I also

1464
00:36:29,108 --> 00:36:31,578
appreciate you bringing up the

1465
00:36:31,578 --> 00:36:31,912
aerotropolis and the volume of

1466
00:36:31,912 --> 00:36:32,545
work that

1467
00:36:32,545 --> 00:36:33,130
s really going to

1468
00:36:33,130 --> 00:36:33,680
happen. And we

1469
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,848
re seeing it

1470
00:36:34,848 --> 00:36:36,517
happen on the south side of the

1471
00:36:36,517 --> 00:36:37,551
airport. We are going to see

1472
00:36:37,551 --> 00:36:38,851
the same things happen on the

1473
00:36:38,851 --> 00:36:40,120
north side of the airport. And

1474
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,120
for 70 will be an important

1475
00:36:43,256 --> 00:36:45,124
part of that access. And

1476
00:36:45,124 --> 00:36:45,992
transportation around it. So.

1477
00:36:45,992 --> 00:36:46,593
Well, I didn

1478
00:36:46,593 --> 00:36:48,328
t mention this,

1479
00:36:48,328 --> 00:36:48,561
but we also partner with rtd

1480
00:36:48,561 --> 00:36:49,529
and we

1481
00:36:49,529 --> 00:36:51,231
re working to expand

1482
00:36:51,231 --> 00:36:52,833
that partnership in ways that

1483
00:36:52,833 --> 00:36:54,267
we never have in the past. And

1484
00:36:54,267 --> 00:36:54,867
I think years ago, there was a

1485
00:36:54,867 --> 00:36:55,234
belief that we didn

1486
00:36:55,234 --> 00:36:56,369
t want

1487
00:36:56,369 --> 00:36:57,438
buses on our road. We wanted

1488
00:36:57,438 --> 00:36:59,500
everyone on that bus to pay a

1489
00:36:59,500 --> 00:36:59,273
toll. But, you know, we

1490
00:36:59,273 --> 00:37:00,840
re part

1491
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,909
of the transportation network

1492
00:37:01,909 --> 00:37:02,943
now. We need the buses out

1493
00:37:02,943 --> 00:37:03,310
there and you don

1494
00:37:03,310 --> 00:37:05,245
t need to

1495
00:37:05,245 --> 00:37:05,411
build brt lanes on a470 because

1496
00:37:05,411 --> 00:37:06,112
we

1497
00:37:06,112 --> 00:37:07,747
re going to guarantee the

1498
00:37:07,747 --> 00:37:07,915
bus gets there on time. So

1499
00:37:07,915 --> 00:37:08,782
we

1500
00:37:08,782 --> 00:37:10,117
re looking at different

1501
00:37:10,117 --> 00:37:11,384
partnerships and maybe opening

1502
00:37:11,384 --> 00:37:12,753
parking rides and partnering to

1503
00:37:12,753 --> 00:37:13,686
do that with rtd as much as we

1504
00:37:13,686 --> 00:37:15,455
can as well.

1505
00:37:15,455 --> 00:37:16,757
That would be fantastic. And

1506
00:37:16,757 --> 00:37:18,424
getting to the airport without

1507
00:37:18,424 --> 00:37:20,260
having to go downtown or go at

1508
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:22,429
3:00 in the morning would be a

1509
00:37:22,429 --> 00:37:22,595
great, great piece. Uh, I won

1510
00:37:22,595 --> 00:37:23,830
t

1511
00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:24,898
say any more about the partners

1512
00:37:24,898 --> 00:37:26,867
who come and tell us how

1513
00:37:26,867 --> 00:37:27,934
important we are. So thank you

1514
00:37:27,934 --> 00:37:28,469
very much. I appreciate you

1515
00:37:28,469 --> 00:37:30,469
being here.

1516
00:37:31,371 --> 00:37:32,105
Thank you. Council member

1517
00:37:32,105 --> 00:37:33,240
Carbajal.

1518
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:34,174
Yeah, I feel like I learned a

1519
00:37:34,174 --> 00:37:35,420
lot just now. So I

1520
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:36,409
m a regular

1521
00:37:36,409 --> 00:37:38,211
user. We have our shop in

1522
00:37:38,211 --> 00:37:40,347
Centennial, so we drive that

1523
00:37:40,347 --> 00:37:42,516
route every day. Probably three

1524
00:37:42,516 --> 00:37:45,685
cars out of my household. Um,

1525
00:37:45,685 --> 00:37:47,354
and so I am amazed that 81,000

1526
00:37:47,354 --> 00:37:48,922
cars are taking that road every

1527
00:37:48,922 --> 00:37:52,760
single day. Can you talk to me

1528
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,861
about that? 75% transponders,

1529
00:37:53,861 --> 00:37:55,295
like how many of those are

1530
00:37:55,295 --> 00:37:56,263
regular users? Do you have any

1531
00:37:56,263 --> 00:37:57,364
data on that?

1532
00:37:57,364 --> 00:37:57,697
We do. And it

1533
00:37:57,697 --> 00:37:58,431
s it

1534
00:37:58,431 --> 00:38:00,000
s actually

1535
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,167
pretty surprising that there

1536
00:38:00,167 --> 00:38:01,935
s

1537
00:38:01,935 --> 00:38:02,569
a pretty small percentage. And

1538
00:38:02,569 --> 00:38:03,770
I say small. It

1539
00:38:03,770 --> 00:38:05,770
s probably 20

1540
00:38:06,373 --> 00:38:07,841
to 30% that are regular, using

1541
00:38:07,841 --> 00:38:09,543
it more than 3 to 5 times a

1542
00:38:09,543 --> 00:38:10,744
week. Um, we get a lot of

1543
00:38:10,744 --> 00:38:10,944
infrequent users. And that

1544
00:38:10,944 --> 00:38:12,479
s

1545
00:38:12,479 --> 00:38:12,645
always been our challenge, is

1546
00:38:12,645 --> 00:38:13,914
we

1547
00:38:13,914 --> 00:38:15,982
d like to have a transponder

1548
00:38:15,982 --> 00:38:16,617
in every vehicle, but some

1549
00:38:16,617 --> 00:38:17,418
people, because it

1550
00:38:17,418 --> 00:38:18,919
s a prepaid

1551
00:38:18,919 --> 00:38:19,586
requirement right now, some

1552
00:38:19,586 --> 00:38:20,200
people say, oh, I don

1553
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,722
t want to

1554
00:38:21,722 --> 00:38:22,856
pay prepay any money because I

1555
00:38:22,856 --> 00:38:24,580
might use it three times this

1556
00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:24,658
year. And so we

1557
00:38:24,658 --> 00:38:26,360
re actually

1558
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,596
exploring ways to make all

1559
00:38:28,596 --> 00:38:29,830
accounts postpaid, um, with

1560
00:38:29,830 --> 00:38:30,330
payment technology the way it

1561
00:38:30,330 --> 00:38:31,131
is now, there

1562
00:38:31,131 --> 00:38:32,399
s no reason for

1563
00:38:32,399 --> 00:38:34,267
us to hold your money. If we

1564
00:38:34,267 --> 00:38:35,402
can just do an auto pay like

1565
00:38:35,402 --> 00:38:36,536
most people do with a lot of

1566
00:38:36,536 --> 00:38:37,370
their bills. Just a

1567
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:37,671
notification that we

1568
00:38:37,671 --> 00:38:39,390
re going

1569
00:38:39,390 --> 00:38:40,507
to charge you for your usage.

1570
00:38:40,507 --> 00:38:41,208
Last month, um, with a

1571
00:38:41,208 --> 00:38:41,575
transponder, that

1572
00:38:41,575 --> 00:38:42,420
s even

1573
00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:42,609
better. So we

1574
00:38:42,609 --> 00:38:43,744
re looking at

1575
00:38:43,744 --> 00:38:45,579
other ways to get more

1576
00:38:45,579 --> 00:38:45,746
transponders out there. But

1577
00:38:45,746 --> 00:38:46,948
it

1578
00:38:46,948 --> 00:38:49,948
s a surprising number of

1579
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:51,719
infrequent users, 2470.

1580
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,319
I think my next question is

1581
00:38:52,319 --> 00:38:52,586
just I think there

1582
00:38:52,586 --> 00:38:53,820
s a

1583
00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:54,621
misconception I like that you

1584
00:38:54,621 --> 00:38:54,755
led with like where, hey, we

1585
00:38:54,755 --> 00:38:56,230
re

1586
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:57,457
looking to be partners. And I

1587
00:38:57,457 --> 00:38:58,425
like really appreciate that in

1588
00:38:58,425 --> 00:38:59,359
all aspects. We should be

1589
00:38:59,359 --> 00:38:59,660
looking to be good partners

1590
00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:00,160
because we

1591
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,463
re here to serve

1592
00:39:02,463 --> 00:39:03,564
people. Um, but I believe, like

1593
00:39:03,564 --> 00:39:04,698
a lot of people have said like,

1594
00:39:04,698 --> 00:39:05,900
hey, when will we stop paying

1595
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:07,340
tolls? And I know obviously

1596
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:08,168
that is not part of the thing.

1597
00:39:08,168 --> 00:39:08,435
Right? Until 2041, you

1598
00:39:08,435 --> 00:39:09,670
re in

1599
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:13,273
the first round of the bonds up

1600
00:39:13,273 --> 00:39:14,374
to 2076. Um, how were you, like

1601
00:39:14,374 --> 00:39:15,676
going out and sharing the

1602
00:39:15,676 --> 00:39:16,643
information like, hey, this is

1603
00:39:16,643 --> 00:39:17,100
just the service that

1604
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:18,312
s based

1605
00:39:18,312 --> 00:39:19,313
on this? I did see a lot of

1606
00:39:19,313 --> 00:39:20,714
your stuff come out when you

1607
00:39:20,714 --> 00:39:21,148
were talking about how a470

1608
00:39:21,148 --> 00:39:22,283
works and who

1609
00:39:22,283 --> 00:39:23,830
s behind it, but

1610
00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:24,251
how do you get rid of that

1611
00:39:24,251 --> 00:39:25,353
misconception and then get

1612
00:39:25,353 --> 00:39:25,586
people bought into the idea

1613
00:39:25,586 --> 00:39:26,487
that it

1614
00:39:26,487 --> 00:39:27,555
s a lifetime thing?

1615
00:39:27,555 --> 00:39:28,789
I think for us it

1616
00:39:28,789 --> 00:39:30,491
s just out

1617
00:39:30,491 --> 00:39:31,959
there and one of the, you know,

1618
00:39:31,959 --> 00:39:33,861
the the international trade

1619
00:39:33,861 --> 00:39:34,280
association that is toll roads,

1620
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,897
it

1621
00:39:35,897 --> 00:39:36,230
s called ebita and they

1622
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:37,598
ve

1623
00:39:37,598 --> 00:39:37,732
got a tagline that says there

1624
00:39:37,732 --> 00:39:39,500
s

1625
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:41,350
no free roads. And so the

1626
00:39:41,350 --> 00:39:42,803
reality is, you know, every

1627
00:39:42,803 --> 00:39:43,704
time you fill up your car in

1628
00:39:43,704 --> 00:39:45,473
theory and every time you

1629
00:39:45,473 --> 00:39:46,473
register your vehicle or buy

1630
00:39:46,473 --> 00:39:46,674
auto parts or whatever, you

1631
00:39:46,674 --> 00:39:48,674
re

1632
00:39:48,675 --> 00:39:49,910
paying for transportation in

1633
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:50,770
some way, I think what we

1634
00:39:50,770 --> 00:39:52,770
re

1635
00:39:52,213 --> 00:39:53,213
trying to show is, hey, we

1636
00:39:53,213 --> 00:39:53,381
collect the money and we

1637
00:39:53,381 --> 00:39:54,549
re

1638
00:39:54,549 --> 00:39:56,500
good stewards with it, and

1639
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:57,185
every surplus dollar gets

1640
00:39:57,185 --> 00:39:58,686
reinvested into more

1641
00:39:58,686 --> 00:39:58,987
infrastructure. And so that

1642
00:39:58,987 --> 00:40:00,154
s

1643
00:40:00,154 --> 00:40:02,122
why when I say we want to

1644
00:40:02,122 --> 00:40:03,357
partner and do more and we have

1645
00:40:03,357 --> 00:40:05,920
a board retreat coming this

1646
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,270
week, um, to really talk about

1647
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:09,363
what does that mean? You know,

1648
00:40:09,363 --> 00:40:09,530
we started a policy. Oh, I

1649
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:10,498
don

1650
00:40:10,498 --> 00:40:13,498
t know, maybe eight years

1651
00:40:14,201 --> 00:40:15,636
ago of how can we partner to be

1652
00:40:15,636 --> 00:40:16,604
funding partners for projects

1653
00:40:16,604 --> 00:40:17,405
that are sort of

1654
00:40:17,405 --> 00:40:17,805
nontraditional? They

1655
00:40:17,805 --> 00:40:19,730
re really

1656
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:19,574
not doing anything to our road.

1657
00:40:19,574 --> 00:40:20,408
But maybe there

1658
00:40:20,408 --> 00:40:21,342
s connectivity

1659
00:40:21,342 --> 00:40:22,420
to our road. We

1660
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:23,577
re looking at

1661
00:40:23,577 --> 00:40:24,745
ways to say, how can we do more

1662
00:40:24,745 --> 00:40:24,940
in the region? Maybe it doesn

1663
00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:25,947
t

1664
00:40:25,947 --> 00:40:27,810
even have to connect to our

1665
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:29,984
road. Maybe it just has to

1666
00:40:29,984 --> 00:40:31,786
enhance the region and maybe

1667
00:40:31,786 --> 00:40:34,856
get traffic to flow. Easier to

1668
00:40:34,856 --> 00:40:36,290
get to our road. Um, I think,

1669
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:36,458
you know, really going from the

1670
00:40:36,458 --> 00:40:36,691
we

1671
00:40:36,691 --> 00:40:37,559
re a, we

1672
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:38,893
re a road to

1673
00:40:38,893 --> 00:40:41,280
nowhere that goes through

1674
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,529
nowhere to really just being a

1675
00:40:42,529 --> 00:40:43,932
part of the the main

1676
00:40:43,932 --> 00:40:45,232
transportation, the way you get

1677
00:40:45,232 --> 00:40:47,468
to work every day because there

1678
00:40:47,468 --> 00:40:48,936
is no major north south access

1679
00:40:48,936 --> 00:40:49,170
or east west access, that

1680
00:40:49,170 --> 00:40:51,500
s

1681
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:53,400
highway in nature in this part

1682
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:53,340
of the metro area. And so I

1683
00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:55,176
think it

1684
00:40:55,176 --> 00:40:57,770
s just repetitively

1685
00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:58,545
being out there and talking to

1686
00:40:58,545 --> 00:41:00,749
the communities about what we

1687
00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:01,150
do and what we represent. Um,

1688
00:41:01,150 --> 00:41:02,283
if we

1689
00:41:02,283 --> 00:41:03,117
re 70 for a long time

1690
00:41:03,117 --> 00:41:03,351
took the position of we

1691
00:41:03,351 --> 00:41:04,486
re just

1692
00:41:04,486 --> 00:41:06,187
going to sort of keep our head

1693
00:41:06,187 --> 00:41:07,210
down and not stick our head up,

1694
00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:07,856
because then people will take

1695
00:41:07,856 --> 00:41:08,122
shots at us, and we don

1696
00:41:08,122 --> 00:41:09,423
t want

1697
00:41:09,423 --> 00:41:11,426
to be defending ourselves. And

1698
00:41:11,426 --> 00:41:13,227
what I reminded staff when I

1699
00:41:13,227 --> 00:41:13,361
came back was, if all you

1700
00:41:13,361 --> 00:41:14,429
re

1701
00:41:14,429 --> 00:41:15,730
doing is defending yourself

1702
00:41:15,730 --> 00:41:15,930
five times a year, all that

1703
00:41:15,930 --> 00:41:17,465
s

1704
00:41:17,465 --> 00:41:18,799
all the community sees as you

1705
00:41:18,799 --> 00:41:19,340
defending yourself, they don

1706
00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:19,967
t

1707
00:41:19,967 --> 00:41:20,101
ever see the good stuff you

1708
00:41:20,101 --> 00:41:21,836
re

1709
00:41:21,836 --> 00:41:23,171
doing. So when we partner in

1710
00:41:23,171 --> 00:41:23,771
these communities and we go to

1711
00:41:23,771 --> 00:41:24,239
these events, we

1712
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:24,739
re talking

1713
00:41:24,739 --> 00:41:25,440
about what we

1714
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:25,707
re doing. We

1715
00:41:25,707 --> 00:41:26,774
re

1716
00:41:26,774 --> 00:41:27,175
showing the projects that we

1717
00:41:27,175 --> 00:41:28,777
re

1718
00:41:28,777 --> 00:41:29,430
delivering to your communities.

1719
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:30,440
And they

1720
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,512
re all not just roads.

1721
00:41:31,512 --> 00:41:32,714
As we talk about the, um,

1722
00:41:32,714 --> 00:41:32,914
Riverdale Bluffs Park, I mean,

1723
00:41:32,914 --> 00:41:33,548
that

1724
00:41:33,548 --> 00:41:34,490
s all trails. We

1725
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:36,490
ve built

1726
00:41:36,484 --> 00:41:37,552
24 miles of trail along a470,

1727
00:41:37,552 --> 00:41:38,619
the High Plains Trail, and we

1728
00:41:38,619 --> 00:41:40,322
want to connect that trail

1729
00:41:40,322 --> 00:41:40,888
system into all the trail

1730
00:41:40,888 --> 00:41:41,322
systems, and we

1731
00:41:41,322 --> 00:41:43,322
ll pay to

1732
00:41:43,691 --> 00:41:45,426
connect those trails because, I

1733
00:41:45,426 --> 00:41:45,594
mean, we talk about, you know,

1734
00:41:45,594 --> 00:41:46,361
we

1735
00:41:46,361 --> 00:41:46,728
re a highway, but we

1736
00:41:46,728 --> 00:41:48,362
re also

1737
00:41:48,362 --> 00:41:48,563
about transportation. And

1738
00:41:48,563 --> 00:41:49,530
that

1739
00:41:49,530 --> 00:41:50,331
s transportation, whether

1740
00:41:50,331 --> 00:41:50,531
it be buses, that

1741
00:41:50,531 --> 00:41:52,167
s

1742
00:41:52,167 --> 00:41:53,635
transportation, whether it be

1743
00:41:53,635 --> 00:41:53,968
bikes and pedestrians. And I

1744
00:41:53,968 --> 00:41:54,669
mean, there

1745
00:41:54,669 --> 00:41:56,504
s only so much we

1746
00:41:56,504 --> 00:41:59,574
can do sort of in our corridor.

1747
00:41:59,574 --> 00:42:01,910
But I think that we are I think

1748
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:04,450
a470, the authority is a

1749
00:42:04,450 --> 00:42:05,280
critical part of the state

1750
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,948
infrastructure system,

1751
00:42:06,948 --> 00:42:08,249
certainly in this region. And I

1752
00:42:08,249 --> 00:42:08,383
think we need to as we

1753
00:42:08,383 --> 00:42:09,617
re

1754
00:42:09,617 --> 00:42:10,718
trying to align with the state.

1755
00:42:10,718 --> 00:42:10,986
So they see it that way and

1756
00:42:10,986 --> 00:42:12,754
they don

1757
00:42:12,754 --> 00:42:13,354
t see us as a nuisance

1758
00:42:13,354 --> 00:42:14,656
to them.

1759
00:42:14,656 --> 00:42:16,858
I really appreciate that. Thank

1760
00:42:16,858 --> 00:42:18,559
you so much. Yeah.

1761
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:20,959
Any other questions? Council

1762
00:42:21,863 --> 00:42:23,331
member Wirth.

1763
00:42:23,331 --> 00:42:25,800
Thank you mayor. Thanks, Joe.

1764
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,670
Great presentation. Um, you

1765
00:42:26,670 --> 00:42:27,268
know, I

1766
00:42:27,268 --> 00:42:29,668
ve been the alternate

1767
00:42:31,607 --> 00:42:33,775
now on the a470 board for, for

1768
00:42:33,775 --> 00:42:36,278
since the beginning of the year

1769
00:42:36,278 --> 00:42:37,445
and just been really, um,

1770
00:42:37,445 --> 00:42:39,180
impressed with just the

1771
00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:41,416
general, the class of the

1772
00:42:41,416 --> 00:42:43,485
organization. Um, you know,

1773
00:42:43,485 --> 00:42:44,180
from, from top down to

1774
00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:45,153
everybody I

1775
00:42:45,153 --> 00:42:47,553
ve ever met. Just

1776
00:42:47,822 --> 00:42:49,324
really class operation. Um, and

1777
00:42:49,324 --> 00:42:50,993
for, for 70, you know, when I,

1778
00:42:50,993 --> 00:42:52,127
when, when it was built, I kind

1779
00:42:52,127 --> 00:42:54,863
of saw it as the road way out

1780
00:42:54,863 --> 00:42:57,650
in the middle of nowhere and

1781
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:58,667
knew that and saw you MAY have

1782
00:42:58,667 --> 00:43:00,680
seen just through the years,

1783
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:00,902
uh, I mean, out there got Smoky

1784
00:43:00,902 --> 00:43:01,369
Hill Road. There wasn

1785
00:43:01,369 --> 00:43:02,571
t really

1786
00:43:02,571 --> 00:43:04,439
much of anything out there for

1787
00:43:04,439 --> 00:43:05,241
70 got there. That area

1788
00:43:05,241 --> 00:43:06,241
s

1789
00:43:06,241 --> 00:43:07,376
amazing. It just happened

1790
00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:07,542
really all the way through.

1791
00:43:07,542 --> 00:43:09,542
It

1792
00:43:09,777 --> 00:43:12,413
s been kind of a conduit for

1793
00:43:12,413 --> 00:43:15,413
development and attracted a lot

1794
00:43:15,417 --> 00:43:17,619
of, uh, enterprise into just

1795
00:43:17,619 --> 00:43:19,654
along the highway enterprise,

1796
00:43:19,654 --> 00:43:19,822
uh, residential, everything. So

1797
00:43:19,822 --> 00:43:20,722
it

1798
00:43:20,722 --> 00:43:23,250
s really been an important

1799
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:25,994
part of the, the infrastructure

1800
00:43:25,994 --> 00:43:27,328
in, uh, in this region. Um, and

1801
00:43:27,328 --> 00:43:27,896
i look forward it it

1802
00:43:27,896 --> 00:43:28,997
s neat

1803
00:43:28,997 --> 00:43:31,330
seeing the projects we have

1804
00:43:31,330 --> 00:43:31,333
down the road, um, that we

1805
00:43:31,333 --> 00:43:33,333
re

1806
00:43:33,535 --> 00:43:35,404
just thinking that much further

1807
00:43:35,404 --> 00:43:37,472
ahead. And, and the

1808
00:43:37,472 --> 00:43:40,900
partnerships are a major part

1809
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:42,611
of that. As, uh, council

1810
00:43:42,611 --> 00:43:43,445
member, uh, Padilla mentioned,

1811
00:43:43,445 --> 00:43:43,879
uh, frequently, we don

1812
00:43:43,879 --> 00:43:45,879
t really

1813
00:43:46,481 --> 00:43:48,217
get brought in as a partner or

1814
00:43:48,217 --> 00:43:49,518
considered seriously as a

1815
00:43:49,518 --> 00:43:50,118
partner. And it

1816
00:43:50,118 --> 00:43:50,319
s, uh, it

1817
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:52,319
s

1818
00:43:52,754 --> 00:43:54,756
nice to be involved in that and

1819
00:43:54,756 --> 00:43:55,123
heavily involved. Yeah. So it

1820
00:43:55,123 --> 00:43:55,757
s

1821
00:43:55,757 --> 00:43:57,526
very cool.

1822
00:43:57,526 --> 00:43:58,727
I appreciate that. And I think,

1823
00:43:58,727 --> 00:44:00,529
you know, as we start talking

1824
00:44:00,529 --> 00:44:00,696
strategically, you know, I and

1825
00:44:00,696 --> 00:44:01,363
you

1826
00:44:01,363 --> 00:44:01,497
ll hear it, I think you

1827
00:44:01,497 --> 00:44:03,650
re

1828
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:05,000
going to be at our meeting on

1829
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,135
Thursday. Um, you know, 30

1830
00:44:06,135 --> 00:44:07,236
years ago, there was a bunch of

1831
00:44:07,236 --> 00:44:08,237
visionaries that said, we need

1832
00:44:08,237 --> 00:44:09,905
to create our public highway

1833
00:44:09,905 --> 00:44:10,720
authority law. And so what

1834
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:11,390
we

1835
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:12,641
re really challenging our

1836
00:44:12,641 --> 00:44:13,775
board now. And the and the

1837
00:44:13,775 --> 00:44:15,344
people that sit behind the

1838
00:44:15,344 --> 00:44:17,179
board on these councils to be

1839
00:44:17,179 --> 00:44:18,513
the visionaries of where do we

1840
00:44:18,513 --> 00:44:19,648
want to take a470 in the

1841
00:44:19,648 --> 00:44:21,160
future. Now, what does it mean

1842
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,851
to this region? Back then they

1843
00:44:22,851 --> 00:44:23,180
said it meant a beltway and now

1844
00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:23,952
we

1845
00:44:23,952 --> 00:44:26,155
re saying, okay, what more

1846
00:44:26,155 --> 00:44:27,857
can just than just a beltway

1847
00:44:27,857 --> 00:44:28,570
can we be. And so I think

1848
00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:29,191
that

1849
00:44:29,191 --> 00:44:30,793
s important. And I think,

1850
00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:31,594
you know, we want to be

1851
00:44:31,594 --> 00:44:32,962
partnering with these

1852
00:44:32,962 --> 00:44:34,290
communities, these cities and

1853
00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:34,930
counties. And we want to

1854
00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:35,730
understand what

1855
00:44:35,730 --> 00:44:37,320
s on your

1856
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,700
agenda for public works. You

1857
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:40,136
know what? What do you have

1858
00:44:40,136 --> 00:44:41,537
coming? You know, how can we

1859
00:44:41,537 --> 00:44:41,703
align with that? And so if

1860
00:44:41,703 --> 00:44:42,437
we

1861
00:44:42,437 --> 00:44:42,604
re building something and

1862
00:44:42,604 --> 00:44:43,238
you

1863
00:44:43,238 --> 00:44:43,639
re building something,

1864
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:44,440
maybe there

1865
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,208
s already some

1866
00:44:46,208 --> 00:44:47,900
things in the planning that we

1867
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:47,209
can talk about. And that

1868
00:44:47,209 --> 00:44:47,809
s

1869
00:44:47,809 --> 00:44:48,411
something that we haven

1870
00:44:48,411 --> 00:44:49,578
t done

1871
00:44:49,578 --> 00:44:49,845
traditionally. But you

1872
00:44:49,845 --> 00:44:50,980
re going

1873
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:51,280
to see more of that because I

1874
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,148
think that

1875
00:44:52,148 --> 00:44:52,315
s important because

1876
00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:53,820
we

1877
00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:55,500
re connecting these

1878
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:56,819
communities together, um, to

1879
00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:57,886
each other, but also to

1880
00:44:57,886 --> 00:44:59,880
yourselves. And so we want to

1881
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:00,880
understand what you guys have

1882
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:00,489
coming as well. So you

1883
00:45:00,489 --> 00:45:02,570
ll see

1884
00:45:02,570 --> 00:45:03,626
more of that as we get into

1885
00:45:03,626 --> 00:45:05,327
next year as we start to expand

1886
00:45:05,327 --> 00:45:07,863
our like, what are we planning

1887
00:45:07,863 --> 00:45:08,364
for in the region.?

1888
00:45:08,364 --> 00:45:08,630
Well, and that

1889
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:09,640
s that

1890
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:09,265
s again,

1891
00:45:09,265 --> 00:45:09,465
that

1892
00:45:09,465 --> 00:45:10,660
s what

1893
00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:11,967
s really impressed

1894
00:45:11,967 --> 00:45:13,135
me about the organization as a

1895
00:45:13,135 --> 00:45:15,404
whole. And I would challenge

1896
00:45:15,404 --> 00:45:17,606
anybody to find really a finer

1897
00:45:17,606 --> 00:45:19,740
drive, um, anywhere in the

1898
00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:20,109
state. Um, you want to go to

1899
00:45:20,109 --> 00:45:20,976
potholes and everything, like

1900
00:45:20,976 --> 00:45:21,244
you can find them out there,

1901
00:45:21,244 --> 00:45:21,777
but you

1902
00:45:21,777 --> 00:45:23,846
re not going to find

1903
00:45:23,846 --> 00:45:26,480
that on for 70. Just really a

1904
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,448
nice road and well-maintained.

1905
00:45:29,418 --> 00:45:31,818
And, uh, class organization..

1906
00:45:32,355 --> 00:45:33,990
Next. Council member Fiedler.

1907
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:35,424
Thank you. Mayor. Uh, I just

1908
00:45:35,424 --> 00:45:36,291
want to extend my thanks as

1909
00:45:36,291 --> 00:45:37,759
well. Thanks for being here. I

1910
00:45:37,759 --> 00:45:39,328
appreciate that, love the

1911
00:45:39,328 --> 00:45:41,163
stance of partners. Appreciate

1912
00:45:41,163 --> 00:45:42,980
that as well. And this is

1913
00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:42,832
really personal. I want to

1914
00:45:42,832 --> 00:45:44,801
thank you for the amount of

1915
00:45:44,801 --> 00:45:47,569
time before 70 has saved me in

1916
00:45:47,569 --> 00:45:49,639
my lifetime. So, um, when I

1917
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:50,839
lived over in Erie, I drove the

1918
00:45:50,839 --> 00:45:53,342
toll road when it first started

1919
00:45:53,342 --> 00:45:54,878
to job in Deer Trail, 71 miles

1920
00:45:54,878 --> 00:45:57,547
one way. He made it in under an

1921
00:45:57,547 --> 00:45:59,148
hour most days. Uh, and then in

1922
00:45:59,148 --> 00:45:59,783
2012, I took a job here in

1923
00:45:59,783 --> 00:46:00,750
town. Didn

1924
00:46:00,750 --> 00:46:01,817
t use you much up to

1925
00:46:01,817 --> 00:46:01,951
the airport, but now I

1926
00:46:01,951 --> 00:46:03,252
m

1927
00:46:03,252 --> 00:46:06,252
driving to Boulder every day,

1928
00:46:07,991 --> 00:46:09,759
and it saves me anywhere from

1929
00:46:09,759 --> 00:46:10,590
15 minutes to 20 minutes one

1930
00:46:10,590 --> 00:46:10,826
way. So it

1931
00:46:10,826 --> 00:46:12,795
s almost an hour a

1932
00:46:12,795 --> 00:46:14,330
day. It saves me and the sable,

1933
00:46:14,330 --> 00:46:15,431
the Sable interchange saved me

1934
00:46:15,431 --> 00:46:15,598
about five more minutes, so I

1935
00:46:15,598 --> 00:46:16,566
don

1936
00:46:16,566 --> 00:46:18,670
t have to mess around with

1937
00:46:18,670 --> 00:46:19,402
the the loop de loop down there

1938
00:46:19,402 --> 00:46:20,870
in 85 and go through town to

1939
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:23,273
get there. So and I mean that

1940
00:46:23,273 --> 00:46:25,241
sincerely. Uh, time is a is a

1941
00:46:25,241 --> 00:46:26,676
resource and it, it saved me a

1942
00:46:26,676 --> 00:46:27,510
lot of time in the last 20 plus

1943
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:27,977
years. So thank you.

1944
00:46:27,977 --> 00:46:29,245
All right. I

1945
00:46:29,245 --> 00:46:30,447
ll make sure I get

1946
00:46:30,447 --> 00:46:31,647
your contact information. So

1947
00:46:31,647 --> 00:46:31,915
when we do our next marketing

1948
00:46:31,915 --> 00:46:33,216
stuff, we

1949
00:46:33,216 --> 00:46:33,616
ll get you doing a

1950
00:46:33,616 --> 00:46:33,849
testimony.

1951
00:46:33,849 --> 00:46:35,170
Oh, we

1952
00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:35,851
re the swag if you bring

1953
00:46:35,851 --> 00:46:36,152
it. All right. I

1954
00:46:36,152 --> 00:46:36,819
ll help you

1955
00:46:36,819 --> 00:46:36,953
out with the marketing. I

1956
00:46:36,953 --> 00:46:38,953
d

1957
00:46:40,656 --> 00:46:42,525
wear that.

1958
00:46:42,525 --> 00:46:44,925
Any other comments or

1959
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,562
questions? The logo is nice and

1960
00:46:46,562 --> 00:46:50,162
simple. I agree. It looks like

1961
00:46:50,634 --> 00:46:51,334
a road. Yeah. Yes. Council

1962
00:46:51,334 --> 00:46:52,635
member Carbajal.

1963
00:46:52,635 --> 00:46:53,269
I love that he made it a little

1964
00:46:53,269 --> 00:46:53,870
personal. And I

1965
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:55,271
ll tell you, I

1966
00:46:55,271 --> 00:46:56,573
drive a giant food truck that

1967
00:46:56,573 --> 00:46:58,573
weighs

1968
00:46:58,708 --> 00:47:00,176
26,000 and there is not

1969
00:47:00,176 --> 00:47:01,378
another road that I would trust

1970
00:47:01,378 --> 00:47:02,278
driving that on between here

1971
00:47:02,278 --> 00:47:03,412
and there without hitting

1972
00:47:03,412 --> 00:47:05,415
potholes and messing everything

1973
00:47:05,415 --> 00:47:06,649
up. So I think that is really

1974
00:47:06,649 --> 00:47:06,916
important. I never think about

1975
00:47:06,916 --> 00:47:07,818
that. It

1976
00:47:07,818 --> 00:47:09,180
s like a commodity

1977
00:47:09,180 --> 00:47:11,540
that now I just take advantage

1978
00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:11,821
of. Maybe, um, but when I have

1979
00:47:11,821 --> 00:47:11,954
to go somewhere else, that

1980
00:47:11,954 --> 00:47:12,822
s

1981
00:47:12,822 --> 00:47:14,190
off the beaten path, it

1982
00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:15,258
absolutely beats my food truck

1983
00:47:15,258 --> 00:47:16,359
up. So thanks for that.

1984
00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:17,960
Appreciate that.

1985
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,560
Here, I got a quick question,

1986
00:47:22,298 --> 00:47:23,933
um, on that list of different

1987
00:47:23,933 --> 00:47:26,333
toll authorities that your

1988
00:47:26,469 --> 00:47:28,972
e-ZPass accepts. I did not see

1989
00:47:28,972 --> 00:47:30,240
the like the ones in Kansas,

1990
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,440
Oklahoma, Texas. And I thought

1991
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,109
it was announced that there was

1992
00:47:32,109 --> 00:47:33,944
a partnership.

1993
00:47:33,944 --> 00:47:35,611
Yeah, those are those agencies.

1994
00:47:35,611 --> 00:47:35,945
Those are the e-ZPass. That

1995
00:47:35,945 --> 00:47:37,180
s.

1996
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:38,881
Which is the brand on the East

1997
00:47:38,881 --> 00:47:41,651
Coast. We are connected with

1998
00:47:41,651 --> 00:47:41,884
Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas as

1999
00:47:41,884 --> 00:47:42,219
well.

2000
00:47:42,219 --> 00:47:43,419
So that

2001
00:47:43,419 --> 00:47:45,321
s the current brand

2002
00:47:45,321 --> 00:47:45,588
already. Okay I will yeah.

2003
00:47:45,588 --> 00:47:46,556
That wasn

2004
00:47:46,556 --> 00:47:47,857
t easy. Passes the

2005
00:47:47,857 --> 00:47:49,125
East Coast brand. And so if you

2006
00:47:49,125 --> 00:47:50,794
go anywhere on the East Coast

2007
00:47:50,794 --> 00:47:52,795
they all use e-ZPass. So new

2008
00:47:52,795 --> 00:47:52,996
Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania,

2009
00:47:52,996 --> 00:47:54,996
they

2010
00:47:55,632 --> 00:47:55,798
re all on e-ZPass. And so

2011
00:47:55,798 --> 00:47:57,798
it

2012
00:47:58,201 --> 00:47:59,836
s express toll here. But Kay

2013
00:47:59,836 --> 00:48:01,137
Tag, which is in Kansas, they

2014
00:48:01,137 --> 00:48:03,600
can drive here, we can drive on

2015
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,340
the Kansas Turnpike, same thing

2016
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:06,443
in Oklahoma and Texas.

2017
00:48:06,443 --> 00:48:08,843
Thanks for clarifying that.

2018
00:48:08,979 --> 00:48:11,979
Yeah. Um, question again also,

2019
00:48:12,982 --> 00:48:14,351
um, when you log in to pay, say

2020
00:48:14,351 --> 00:48:16,553
online, you get a toll or

2021
00:48:16,553 --> 00:48:16,719
whatever. Um, what if you don

2022
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,550
t

2023
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:19,456
have an account, you never open

2024
00:48:19,456 --> 00:48:21,524
up the account and you just

2025
00:48:21,524 --> 00:48:23,860
have the license plate picture.

2026
00:48:23,860 --> 00:48:25,896
You can somebody that say drove

2027
00:48:25,896 --> 00:48:27,960
on a470 last week just kind of

2028
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,365
plug in their license plate and

2029
00:48:28,365 --> 00:48:29,232
just pay with before I.

2030
00:48:29,232 --> 00:48:29,900
Believe you can. It

2031
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:30,267
ll what

2032
00:48:30,267 --> 00:48:31,701
ll

2033
00:48:31,701 --> 00:48:32,636
ask is for the license plate

2034
00:48:32,636 --> 00:48:34,438
number. I think they ask for

2035
00:48:34,438 --> 00:48:34,604
your zip code as well. And if

2036
00:48:34,604 --> 00:48:35,939
we

2037
00:48:35,939 --> 00:48:37,607
ve processed that

2038
00:48:37,607 --> 00:48:39,175
transaction you can pay that

2039
00:48:39,175 --> 00:48:40,377
transaction or the transactions

2040
00:48:40,377 --> 00:48:41,811
associated with that license

2041
00:48:41,811 --> 00:48:42,120
plate with that zip code. If it

2042
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,480
hasn

2043
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:43,680
t been processed yet,

2044
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,881
there

2045
00:48:44,881 --> 00:48:45,949
s no real way for us to

2046
00:48:45,949 --> 00:48:46,116
verify that. So we don

2047
00:48:46,116 --> 00:48:47,384
t

2048
00:48:47,384 --> 00:48:48,719
necessarily want to return

2049
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,200
that. That license plate owes

2050
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:51,754
us $300, because your neighbor

2051
00:48:51,754 --> 00:48:51,888
could be seeing if you

2052
00:48:51,888 --> 00:48:53,888
re

2053
00:48:54,258 --> 00:48:55,858
paying your bills. And so we

2054
00:48:55,858 --> 00:48:56,260
want a second verification. So

2055
00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:56,760
it

2056
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:56,960
s typically once we

2057
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:57,794
ve

2058
00:48:57,794 --> 00:48:58,161
processed it and it

2059
00:48:58,161 --> 00:48:59,796
s been

2060
00:48:59,796 --> 00:49:00,230
through the dmv check, it

2061
00:49:00,230 --> 00:49:01,632
ll

2062
00:49:01,632 --> 00:49:03,701
say well that license plates

2063
00:49:03,701 --> 00:49:04,768
registered at this zip code.

2064
00:49:04,768 --> 00:49:06,136
And so if you put in the

2065
00:49:06,136 --> 00:49:07,904
combination it would pull that

2066
00:49:07,904 --> 00:49:08,105
up and you could pay it okay.

2067
00:49:08,105 --> 00:49:09,773
That

2068
00:49:09,773 --> 00:49:10,240
s good because I know

2069
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:10,640
people that don

2070
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,308
t have an

2071
00:49:12,308 --> 00:49:14,311
account. And that would be an

2072
00:49:14,311 --> 00:49:15,378
easy way to pay. Also, could

2073
00:49:15,378 --> 00:49:16,714
you get a discount for doing

2074
00:49:16,714 --> 00:49:17,814
that before you even get the

2075
00:49:17,814 --> 00:49:18,282
the mail in, you know.

2076
00:49:18,282 --> 00:49:18,815
Yeah. And that

2077
00:49:18,815 --> 00:49:18,983
s what that

2078
00:49:18,983 --> 00:49:19,415
s

2079
00:49:19,415 --> 00:49:19,916
actually what we

2080
00:49:19,916 --> 00:49:20,216
re looking at.

2081
00:49:20,216 --> 00:49:20,851
I mean we

2082
00:49:20,851 --> 00:49:23,120
re really trying to

2083
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,210
get away where we can get away

2084
00:49:25,210 --> 00:49:26,189
from, um, even mailing things

2085
00:49:26,189 --> 00:49:27,858
to people. We want to be able

2086
00:49:27,858 --> 00:49:28,792
to send you an sms message.

2087
00:49:28,792 --> 00:49:30,792
Instead of that.

2088
00:49:30,794 --> 00:49:32,562
Yeah. Um, and so, I mean, the

2089
00:49:32,562 --> 00:49:34,598
more stuff we can introduce,

2090
00:49:34,598 --> 00:49:35,999
that self service, the less it

2091
00:49:35,999 --> 00:49:37,601
costs us. And then we could

2092
00:49:37,601 --> 00:49:38,501
probably offer discounts for

2093
00:49:38,501 --> 00:49:40,501
sure.

2094
00:49:42,139 --> 00:49:44,750
Cool. Anybody else? Thanks for

2095
00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:45,375
coming. Thanks for taking time.

2096
00:49:45,375 --> 00:49:47,100
Hopefully we made your time

2097
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:48,345
worthwhile. We gave you a good,

2098
00:49:48,345 --> 00:49:49,346
what, 45 minutes or so?

2099
00:49:49,346 --> 00:49:50,280
Yeah, I appreciate it. Sorry if

2100
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:50,781
I went a little long.

2101
00:49:50,781 --> 00:49:52,490
No, no. We

2102
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:53,283
re good. We budgeted

2103
00:49:53,283 --> 00:49:53,717
enough time for you. Thank you.

2104
00:49:53,717 --> 00:49:55,717
Thank you very.

2105
00:49:58,422 --> 00:50:00,822
Much. Next presentation. Uh,

2106
00:50:01,926 --> 00:50:03,761
Edward Byron, jag grant

2107
00:50:03,761 --> 00:50:05,761
acceptance. City manager

2108
00:50:05,862 --> 00:50:07,862
Martinez.

2109
00:50:08,310 --> 00:50:10,601
Thank you. Mayor, here this

2110
00:50:10,601 --> 00:50:13,370
evening to discuss the Edward

2111
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:15,770
Byrne Justice Assistance. Grant

2112
00:50:16,173 --> 00:50:17,441
is lieutenant struck along with

2113
00:50:17,441 --> 00:50:18,542
Chief of Police Matthew

2114
00:50:18,542 --> 00:50:19,544
Domenico. I

2115
00:50:19,544 --> 00:50:20,978
ll turn it over to

2116
00:50:20,978 --> 00:50:22,978
lieutenant Struck.

2117
00:50:23,113 --> 00:50:24,982
All right. Thank you. Sir.

2118
00:50:24,982 --> 00:50:26,416
Uh. Good morning. Good evening.

2119
00:50:26,416 --> 00:50:26,884
Mayor, mayor pro tem and

2120
00:50:26,884 --> 00:50:27,918
council. I

2121
00:50:27,918 --> 00:50:28,520
m nick struck, and

2122
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:28,886
I

2123
00:50:28,886 --> 00:50:29,786
m a lieutenant for your

2124
00:50:29,786 --> 00:50:29,920
police department. And I

2125
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,550
ve

2126
00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:32,523
been working for your city for

2127
00:50:32,523 --> 00:50:34,910
the last 16 years. And super

2128
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:35,580
excited. Uh, I

2129
00:50:35,580 --> 00:50:37,361
m going to be

2130
00:50:37,361 --> 00:50:39,263
introducing our 2025 Edward

2131
00:50:39,263 --> 00:50:40,597
Byrne, um, Justice Assistance

2132
00:50:40,597 --> 00:50:41,232
Grant program. I

2133
00:50:41,232 --> 00:50:42,320
ll call it jag

2134
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:42,766
for short, since it

2135
00:50:42,766 --> 00:50:44,435
s a long

2136
00:50:44,435 --> 00:50:45,869
name. And what we will be

2137
00:50:45,869 --> 00:50:49,469
asking for is your approval to

2138
00:50:50,274 --> 00:50:51,309
accept the grant for 2025. Now,

2139
00:50:51,309 --> 00:50:52,276
give you a little history

2140
00:50:52,276 --> 00:50:53,977
because some might not know

2141
00:50:53,977 --> 00:50:54,845
this is a federal grant funded

2142
00:50:54,845 --> 00:50:56,847
through the Department of

2143
00:50:56,847 --> 00:50:58,983
Justice. Every year, Congress

2144
00:50:58,983 --> 00:51:00,985
sets the budget. And then from

2145
00:51:00,985 --> 00:51:02,860
that number, they use a formula

2146
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:03,921
to allocate to all the

2147
00:51:03,921 --> 00:51:05,523
jurisdictions in the country

2148
00:51:05,523 --> 00:51:07,792
based on our three year violent

2149
00:51:07,792 --> 00:51:09,590
crime average, as compared to

2150
00:51:09,590 --> 00:51:11,561
the state of Colorado and the

2151
00:51:11,561 --> 00:51:14,365
nation. So it does vary from

2152
00:51:14,365 --> 00:51:16,667
year to year. It also I will

2153
00:51:16,667 --> 00:51:17,468
have you know, is this 2025

2154
00:51:17,468 --> 00:51:18,680
grant, and we

2155
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,680
re already more

2156
00:51:20,971 --> 00:51:23,173
than halfway through 2025. This

2157
00:51:23,173 --> 00:51:24,809
grant typically posts AUGUST to

2158
00:51:24,809 --> 00:51:26,344
SEPTEMBER, but because of the

2159
00:51:26,344 --> 00:51:27,845
government shutdown last year,

2160
00:51:27,845 --> 00:51:29,146
they pushed everything all the

2161
00:51:29,146 --> 00:51:31,415
way back to about APRIL this

2162
00:51:31,415 --> 00:51:32,784
year. So we just got funded. I

2163
00:51:32,784 --> 00:51:34,785
also tell you that because they

2164
00:51:34,785 --> 00:51:35,986
just announced the 2026 grant,

2165
00:51:35,986 --> 00:51:37,855
so you will likely see us in

2166
00:51:37,855 --> 00:51:39,390
the near future presenting for

2167
00:51:39,390 --> 00:51:39,657
that grant as well. But let

2168
00:51:39,657 --> 00:51:41,657
s

2169
00:51:41,825 --> 00:51:45,425
turn back to the 2025 grant. We

2170
00:51:48,232 --> 00:51:50,340
were awarded $12,963 for the

2171
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:53,340
purchase of our flock, lpr

2172
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:54,806
cameras, and this is for this

2173
00:51:54,806 --> 00:51:54,972
is already awarded grant, but

2174
00:51:54,972 --> 00:51:56,708
we

2175
00:51:56,708 --> 00:51:58,776
re seeking for acceptance of

2176
00:51:58,776 --> 00:52:00,780
the award now also to kind of

2177
00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:01,812
go over some flock safety

2178
00:52:01,812 --> 00:52:03,280
stuff. So we use flock safety

2179
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,816
cameras. They are the license

2180
00:52:05,816 --> 00:52:08,216
plate recognition cameras. So

2181
00:52:08,653 --> 00:52:11,289
these cameras give us real time

2182
00:52:11,289 --> 00:52:13,689
information on various alerts

2183
00:52:13,891 --> 00:52:15,492
such as stolen vehicles. Um,

2184
00:52:15,492 --> 00:52:17,728
people associated with warrants

2185
00:52:17,728 --> 00:52:20,330
on a vehicle. Also non-criminal

2186
00:52:20,330 --> 00:52:22,767
things so at risk runaways or

2187
00:52:22,767 --> 00:52:24,134
missing persons. All of these

2188
00:52:24,134 --> 00:52:25,537
alerts just lead to

2189
00:52:25,537 --> 00:52:27,638
investigative leads for the

2190
00:52:27,638 --> 00:52:28,272
officer to follow up on. In and

2191
00:52:28,272 --> 00:52:28,639
of themselves. It

2192
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:30,400
s not

2193
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,275
probable cause to go in and

2194
00:52:31,275 --> 00:52:33,430
stop a vehicle. The officer

2195
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:35,613
still needs to do our legwork

2196
00:52:35,613 --> 00:52:36,914
to confirm the information that

2197
00:52:36,914 --> 00:52:38,349
is verified through the picture

2198
00:52:38,349 --> 00:52:39,150
of the lpr, so make sure that

2199
00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:40,118
it actually took the right

2200
00:52:40,118 --> 00:52:41,652
picture and interpreted the

2201
00:52:41,652 --> 00:52:43,554
numbers correctly as well as

2202
00:52:43,554 --> 00:52:44,889
the information. So a practical

2203
00:52:44,889 --> 00:52:46,357
example. It gives me an alert

2204
00:52:46,357 --> 00:52:48,192
for stolen vehicle. I would

2205
00:52:48,192 --> 00:52:49,694
clear it in quick to confirm

2206
00:52:49,694 --> 00:52:49,927
that actual vehicle is stolen.

2207
00:52:49,927 --> 00:52:50,929
It wasn

2208
00:52:50,929 --> 00:52:52,563
t recovered and is not

2209
00:52:52,563 --> 00:52:54,432
reported. So we still have to

2210
00:52:54,432 --> 00:52:54,699
do all the confirmation steps.

2211
00:52:54,699 --> 00:52:55,866
This isn

2212
00:52:55,866 --> 00:52:56,167
t just an end all be

2213
00:52:56,167 --> 00:52:57,768
all. There

2214
00:52:57,768 --> 00:53:00,404
s an alert and we go

2215
00:53:00,404 --> 00:53:01,572
catch it. So that gives you a

2216
00:53:01,572 --> 00:53:03,875
little bit about flock safety.

2217
00:53:03,875 --> 00:53:04,709
Now we have eight cameras

2218
00:53:04,709 --> 00:53:06,278
throughout the city of

2219
00:53:06,278 --> 00:53:07,879
Brighton. Seven of them are

2220
00:53:07,879 --> 00:53:11,382
fixed and one is on a mobile

2221
00:53:11,382 --> 00:53:13,451
unit. We actually used 2024 jag

2222
00:53:13,451 --> 00:53:14,919
funds to purchase the cameras.

2223
00:53:14,919 --> 00:53:17,550
Now, these are on an annual

2224
00:53:17,550 --> 00:53:19,490
subscription based fee, and it

2225
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:21,860
costs about 24,000 for all

2226
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:23,194
eight cameras per year to have

2227
00:53:23,194 --> 00:53:23,328
access to them. Now, you

2228
00:53:23,328 --> 00:53:24,596
ll

2229
00:53:24,596 --> 00:53:26,431
notice the jag fund does not

2230
00:53:26,431 --> 00:53:28,433
cover all of that. So we would

2231
00:53:28,433 --> 00:53:29,768
use forfeiture money to offset

2232
00:53:29,768 --> 00:53:32,700
to get the total cost of about

2233
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:32,337
the 24,000. And that

2234
00:53:32,337 --> 00:53:32,503
s what

2235
00:53:32,503 --> 00:53:33,971
we

2236
00:53:33,971 --> 00:53:34,338
re seeking for this year.

2237
00:53:34,338 --> 00:53:35,373
Now, there

2238
00:53:35,373 --> 00:53:37,676
s no action needed

2239
00:53:37,676 --> 00:53:39,677
for you today. You will see us

2240
00:53:39,677 --> 00:53:40,478
at the SEPTEMBER 15th council

2241
00:53:40,478 --> 00:53:41,279
meeting, where we

2242
00:53:41,279 --> 00:53:43,148
ll be asking

2243
00:53:43,148 --> 00:53:44,783
you for approval to accept this

2244
00:53:44,783 --> 00:53:47,510
grant for use of the floor

2245
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:47,185
cameras and short and sweet.

2246
00:53:47,185 --> 00:53:49,870
I

2247
00:53:49,870 --> 00:53:49,254
m ready for some questions.

2248
00:53:49,254 --> 00:53:50,922
Who

2249
00:53:50,922 --> 00:53:53,922
s got questions for the

2250
00:53:55,927 --> 00:53:57,927
lieutenant? Council member

2251
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:59,497
Tadeo. Sorry if this is.

2252
00:53:59,497 --> 00:54:00,232
A dumb question.

2253
00:54:00,232 --> 00:54:01,699
No.

2254
00:54:01,699 --> 00:54:03,340
What are what is what are

2255
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:04,102
forfeiture funds? Where does

2256
00:54:04,102 --> 00:54:04,402
that come from?

2257
00:54:04,402 --> 00:54:05,671
Yeah, that

2258
00:54:05,671 --> 00:54:07,572
s a great question.

2259
00:54:07,572 --> 00:54:07,739
So there are times when, um,

2260
00:54:07,739 --> 00:54:08,540
let

2261
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:10,509
s say we have a drug

2262
00:54:10,509 --> 00:54:12,610
seizure that goes through a

2263
00:54:12,610 --> 00:54:13,778
whole process, um, on asset

2264
00:54:13,778 --> 00:54:14,746
forfeiture. And the chief is

2265
00:54:14,746 --> 00:54:16,810
actually able to kind of go

2266
00:54:16,810 --> 00:54:17,882
into how that gets approved.

2267
00:54:17,882 --> 00:54:19,384
And those funds used.

2268
00:54:19,384 --> 00:54:21,219
Uh, Brighton pd is a member of

2269
00:54:21,219 --> 00:54:22,954
the North Metro Drug Task

2270
00:54:22,954 --> 00:54:25,123
Force. And as part of that task

2271
00:54:25,123 --> 00:54:26,558
force, uh, they are involved in

2272
00:54:26,558 --> 00:54:28,558
large scale drug

2273
00:54:28,593 --> 00:54:30,262
investigations, uh, along with

2274
00:54:30,262 --> 00:54:32,197
federal partners that at times

2275
00:54:32,197 --> 00:54:34,131
result in seizures of property,

2276
00:54:34,131 --> 00:54:34,299
cash, various other things.

2277
00:54:34,299 --> 00:54:35,333
We

2278
00:54:35,333 --> 00:54:36,901
re entitled to a portion of

2279
00:54:36,901 --> 00:54:38,770
those proceeds by being a

2280
00:54:38,770 --> 00:54:40,205
member of the North Metro Drug

2281
00:54:40,205 --> 00:54:40,939
Task Force.

2282
00:54:40,939 --> 00:54:42,173
So so I

2283
00:54:42,173 --> 00:54:44,573
m guessing that those

2284
00:54:45,577 --> 00:54:47,712
Funds are pretty consistent.

2285
00:54:47,712 --> 00:54:48,213
Unfortunately.

2286
00:54:48,213 --> 00:54:48,914
Actually, you

2287
00:54:48,914 --> 00:54:49,113
d be surprised

2288
00:54:49,113 --> 00:54:50,581
they

2289
00:54:50,581 --> 00:54:52,317
re not that consistent and

2290
00:54:52,317 --> 00:54:53,185
they take years and years to

2291
00:54:53,185 --> 00:54:54,219
show up. We

2292
00:54:54,219 --> 00:54:56,219
re seeing funds

2293
00:54:56,988 --> 00:54:58,223
from operations 4 or 5, six

2294
00:54:58,223 --> 00:54:58,523
years ago because they take a

2295
00:54:58,523 --> 00:54:59,557
long time.

2296
00:54:59,557 --> 00:54:59,991
To work. So then what happens

2297
00:54:59,991 --> 00:55:00,592
then? If we don

2298
00:55:00,592 --> 00:55:02,592
t have enough

2299
00:55:02,861 --> 00:55:04,363
of the forfeiture funds and

2300
00:55:04,363 --> 00:55:04,563
not, you know, the grant money

2301
00:55:04,563 --> 00:55:06,398
doesn

2302
00:55:06,398 --> 00:55:08,398
t cover everything.

2303
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:10,202
Uh, we have a significant

2304
00:55:10,202 --> 00:55:11,569
portion. We saved them up over

2305
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:13,471
time to use. So we have enough

2306
00:55:13,471 --> 00:55:14,706
to cover multiple years of

2307
00:55:14,706 --> 00:55:16,508
costs like this.

2308
00:55:16,508 --> 00:55:17,942
Thank you.

2309
00:55:17,942 --> 00:55:20,342
More questions from the

2310
00:55:21,180 --> 00:55:22,614
council. Council member Snyder.

2311
00:55:22,614 --> 00:55:24,614
Thank you. Sir.

2312
00:55:26,251 --> 00:55:27,820
Um, I am not a flat camera

2313
00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:28,820
detractor. I like them, I think

2314
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:30,220
they do a good thing for you.

2315
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:30,522
But I do have to ask the

2316
00:55:30,522 --> 00:55:31,523
question. There

2317
00:55:31,523 --> 00:55:32,891
s a great deal

2318
00:55:32,891 --> 00:55:33,392
of communities pulling the

2319
00:55:33,392 --> 00:55:33,725
plug. I mean, they

2320
00:55:33,725 --> 00:55:35,725
re on the

2321
00:55:38,496 --> 00:55:40,566
news every night. Um, do we

2322
00:55:40,566 --> 00:55:42,200
restrict who can access our

2323
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:42,567
system and how they can use it?

2324
00:55:42,567 --> 00:55:42,835
You know, that

2325
00:55:42,835 --> 00:55:43,235
s a it

2326
00:55:43,235 --> 00:55:44,269
s a great

2327
00:55:44,269 --> 00:55:46,271
question, especially for the

2328
00:55:46,271 --> 00:55:47,572
times given, uh, and yes, there

2329
00:55:47,572 --> 00:55:49,700
is restrictions. We have

2330
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:51,209
multiple levels of restrictions

2331
00:55:51,209 --> 00:55:55,114
on who can access. So first we

2332
00:55:55,114 --> 00:55:55,781
only share with um, 790

2333
00:55:55,781 --> 00:55:56,248
networks. And I

2334
00:55:56,248 --> 00:55:57,649
ll give you an

2335
00:55:57,649 --> 00:55:58,784
example. Brighton pd is one

2336
00:55:58,784 --> 00:56:00,919
network and we have eight

2337
00:56:00,919 --> 00:56:02,655
cameras under that network. Not

2338
00:56:02,655 --> 00:56:03,221
every city has like eight

2339
00:56:03,221 --> 00:56:04,890
cameras. So it

2340
00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:06,890
s dependent on

2341
00:56:06,910 --> 00:56:08,360
the cameras. But we share with

2342
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,695
790. Now we receive information

2343
00:56:10,695 --> 00:56:10,863
from over 1300 networks that we

2344
00:56:10,863 --> 00:56:11,864
don

2345
00:56:11,864 --> 00:56:14,660
t share with. Each agency

2346
00:56:14,660 --> 00:56:15,234
has to request access. So if

2347
00:56:15,234 --> 00:56:16,135
someone wanted our data we

2348
00:56:16,135 --> 00:56:17,302
would they would request

2349
00:56:17,302 --> 00:56:18,771
access. We would have to vet

2350
00:56:18,771 --> 00:56:20,305
them first before we would

2351
00:56:20,305 --> 00:56:22,141
allow them to come in. We have

2352
00:56:22,141 --> 00:56:22,341
two primary rules is we don

2353
00:56:22,341 --> 00:56:23,842
t

2354
00:56:23,842 --> 00:56:25,744
share data with private

2355
00:56:25,744 --> 00:56:26,946
companies we can take in. So we

2356
00:56:26,946 --> 00:56:28,814
have a couple of vendors that

2357
00:56:28,814 --> 00:56:30,249
are private, some hotels and

2358
00:56:30,249 --> 00:56:31,450
some like the Home Depot stuff.

2359
00:56:31,450 --> 00:56:31,817
They can share their data with

2360
00:56:31,817 --> 00:56:33,180
us, but we

2361
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:34,486
re we do not share

2362
00:56:34,486 --> 00:56:34,653
backwards to them. And we also

2363
00:56:34,653 --> 00:56:35,387
don

2364
00:56:35,387 --> 00:56:36,922
t share with the federal

2365
00:56:36,922 --> 00:56:38,230
government. They actually flock

2366
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:39,225
does not have any contracts

2367
00:56:39,225 --> 00:56:39,424
with the federal government. So

2368
00:56:39,424 --> 00:56:41,259
there

2369
00:56:41,259 --> 00:56:42,595
s no communication link

2370
00:56:42,595 --> 00:56:44,229
between us and them. So yes,

2371
00:56:44,229 --> 00:56:45,130
there are restrictions on who

2372
00:56:45,130 --> 00:56:45,464
we share with. There

2373
00:56:45,464 --> 00:56:46,732
s also

2374
00:56:46,732 --> 00:56:48,668
restrictions on the officer

2375
00:56:48,668 --> 00:56:50,569
level. So especially in the

2376
00:56:50,569 --> 00:56:50,769
state of Colorado, we aren

2377
00:56:50,769 --> 00:56:51,837
t

2378
00:56:51,837 --> 00:56:53,272
allowed to share about

2379
00:56:53,272 --> 00:56:55,410
immigration enforcement or

2380
00:56:55,410 --> 00:56:56,876
reproductive care. So when the

2381
00:56:56,876 --> 00:56:58,944
officers log into their account

2382
00:56:58,944 --> 00:56:59,145
and this is nationwide, there

2383
00:56:59,145 --> 00:57:01,130
s

2384
00:57:01,130 --> 00:57:02,482
a specific alert that these

2385
00:57:02,482 --> 00:57:04,820
states in Colorado being one of

2386
00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:05,184
them, you are prohibited. And

2387
00:57:05,184 --> 00:57:06,519
you could be civilly and

2388
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:08,488
potentially criminally charged

2389
00:57:08,488 --> 00:57:10,122
as an officer for seeking that

2390
00:57:10,122 --> 00:57:11,824
information in violation of

2391
00:57:11,824 --> 00:57:14,260
what this our local state laws

2392
00:57:14,260 --> 00:57:15,761
are. So yes, we have tons of

2393
00:57:15,761 --> 00:57:17,129
systems in check for those

2394
00:57:17,129 --> 00:57:18,931
processes. We even audit

2395
00:57:18,931 --> 00:57:20,132
monthly our searches and

2396
00:57:20,132 --> 00:57:22,468
thankfully today we have not

2397
00:57:22,468 --> 00:57:22,702
had any misuse of it. But we

2398
00:57:22,702 --> 00:57:23,669
re

2399
00:57:23,669 --> 00:57:25,404
still going to continue to

2400
00:57:25,404 --> 00:57:27,600
monitor every month on our

2401
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,875
searches. We even have a built

2402
00:57:28,875 --> 00:57:29,508
in ai tool that help us to look

2403
00:57:29,508 --> 00:57:30,476
for if someone

2404
00:57:30,476 --> 00:57:31,810
s trying to get

2405
00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:33,612
immigration information through

2406
00:57:33,612 --> 00:57:35,548
another backdoor, and it helps

2407
00:57:35,548 --> 00:57:36,582
us. And so we are very much on

2408
00:57:36,582 --> 00:57:37,984
top of that, because it is

2409
00:57:37,984 --> 00:57:39,251
pressing, like you mentioned,

2410
00:57:39,251 --> 00:57:40,190
the name FLoc and everybody

2411
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:41,520
s

2412
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,890
ears perk up. So I hope that

2413
00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:44,624
answers your question.

2414
00:57:44,624 --> 00:57:45,658
It does, and I appreciate I ask

2415
00:57:45,658 --> 00:57:46,960
that more for the people

2416
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,940
watching because I kind of know

2417
00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:48,294
how we do it. But but there

2418
00:57:48,294 --> 00:57:49,963
s

2419
00:57:49,963 --> 00:57:50,196
so much controversy about it.

2420
00:57:50,196 --> 00:57:50,429
And it

2421
00:57:50,429 --> 00:57:52,232
s it

2422
00:57:52,232 --> 00:57:53,566
s a good tool to

2423
00:57:53,566 --> 00:57:55,835
help police departments that

2424
00:57:55,835 --> 00:57:56,350
are understaffed because

2425
00:57:56,350 --> 00:57:57,536
they

2426
00:57:57,536 --> 00:57:57,703
re under budgeted. So I

2427
00:57:57,703 --> 00:57:58,671
don

2428
00:57:58,671 --> 00:57:59,872
t want to see it go away.

2429
00:57:59,872 --> 00:58:01,640
But I want people to understand

2430
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:02,975
that we are taking safeguards

2431
00:58:02,975 --> 00:58:04,143
to use it properly.

2432
00:58:04,143 --> 00:58:05,545
I do want to actually give you

2433
00:58:05,545 --> 00:58:07,113
an example because I think that

2434
00:58:07,113 --> 00:58:08,648
might help. So one of the

2435
00:58:08,648 --> 00:58:10,416
questions would be, well, do

2436
00:58:10,416 --> 00:58:11,851
you share across state lines?

2437
00:58:11,851 --> 00:58:13,153
And yes, we do share with other

2438
00:58:13,153 --> 00:58:14,487
states. And we had a recent

2439
00:58:14,487 --> 00:58:15,821
case where we had a juvenile

2440
00:58:15,821 --> 00:58:18,558
that was at risk of human

2441
00:58:18,558 --> 00:58:20,292
trafficking and had run away.

2442
00:58:20,292 --> 00:58:22,595
The officer was able to use

2443
00:58:22,595 --> 00:58:24,290
flock and collaborate. The

2444
00:58:24,290 --> 00:58:25,898
vehicles at the time near the

2445
00:58:25,898 --> 00:58:27,133
location of the runaway. We

2446
00:58:27,133 --> 00:58:29,435
suspected they might be going

2447
00:58:29,435 --> 00:58:30,769
to Texas. And sure enough, same

2448
00:58:30,769 --> 00:58:32,400
day we were able to get the

2449
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,673
flock that they came across

2450
00:58:33,673 --> 00:58:35,542
Texas and we recovered her with

2451
00:58:35,542 --> 00:58:37,843
our help from the fbi and the

2452
00:58:37,843 --> 00:58:38,778
local jurisdiction to bring

2453
00:58:38,778 --> 00:58:38,914
her. Because if we wouldn

2454
00:58:38,914 --> 00:58:39,912
t

2455
00:58:39,912 --> 00:58:41,470
have had that access, there

2456
00:58:41,470 --> 00:58:43,490
would have not been a way for

2457
00:58:43,490 --> 00:58:44,117
us to know. After she ran away

2458
00:58:44,117 --> 00:58:46,520
where her location would have

2459
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:47,953
been. So, yes, agreement across

2460
00:58:47,953 --> 00:58:51,553
state lines, it really does, is

2461
00:58:51,791 --> 00:58:53,259
a benefit for our city, right?

2462
00:58:53,259 --> 00:58:53,827
Next we have Councilmember

2463
00:58:53,827 --> 00:58:54,127
Fiedler, and then we

2464
00:58:54,127 --> 00:58:55,362
ll go over

2465
00:58:55,362 --> 00:58:56,963
here.

2466
00:58:56,963 --> 00:58:58,631
A comment and then a question,

2467
00:58:58,631 --> 00:59:00,800
because inquiring minds want to

2468
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,935
know, um, first of all,

2469
00:59:02,935 --> 00:59:03,403
Lieutenant struck 16 years with

2470
00:59:03,403 --> 00:59:05,403
the forest. It

2471
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:07,507
s exciting. Wow.

2472
00:59:07,507 --> 00:59:08,207
Congratulations. I remember

2473
00:59:08,207 --> 00:59:09,476
when. That

2474
00:59:09,476 --> 00:59:10,243
s awesome. I

2475
00:59:10,243 --> 00:59:11,611
m dying

2476
00:59:11,611 --> 00:59:13,379
to know how much is in the

2477
00:59:13,379 --> 00:59:14,580
forfeiture fund. What is the

2478
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:16,883
what is the what is the fund

2479
00:59:16,883 --> 00:59:17,850
balance in the forfeiture fund?

2480
00:59:17,850 --> 00:59:18,217
Best guess.

2481
00:59:18,217 --> 00:59:19,552
I don

2482
00:59:19,552 --> 00:59:20,186
t have the exact number

2483
00:59:20,186 --> 00:59:20,620
in front of me. It

2484
00:59:20,620 --> 00:59:21,587
s several

2485
00:59:21,587 --> 00:59:23,587
hundred thousand dollars.

2486
00:59:26,693 --> 00:59:28,128
Six figures. Yes. Wow. Thank

2487
00:59:28,128 --> 00:59:30,697
you. Chief. I just curious.

2488
00:59:30,697 --> 00:59:32,697
No problem.

2489
00:59:32,798 --> 00:59:34,798
Council member curveball.

2490
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:36,870
So 790 seems like a lot to me.

2491
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:37,360
And I know you said there

2492
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:38,938
s,

2493
00:59:38,938 --> 00:59:39,205
like, some people have 1300

2494
00:59:39,205 --> 00:59:40,473
that they

2495
00:59:40,473 --> 00:59:42,409
re sharing with. Once

2496
00:59:42,409 --> 00:59:44,878
you give access to people at

2497
00:59:44,878 --> 00:59:46,460
that 790, can you take it back?

2498
00:59:46,460 --> 00:59:47,914
Can you have it be a short time

2499
00:59:47,914 --> 00:59:48,915
limited access in terms of that

2500
00:59:48,915 --> 00:59:50,150
partnership? What does that

2501
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:50,951
look like? Or once you open the

2502
00:59:50,951 --> 00:59:51,618
door to sharing that

2503
00:59:51,618 --> 00:59:52,719
information, it

2504
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:53,860
s just.

2505
00:59:53,860 --> 00:59:53,553
You know, that

2506
00:59:53,553 --> 00:59:54,688
s a great

2507
00:59:54,688 --> 00:59:56,890
question. People on the back

2508
00:59:56,890 --> 00:59:57,791
end of things. And yes, we are

2509
00:59:57,791 --> 00:59:58,958
able to retract any access

2510
00:59:58,958 --> 01:00:00,794
given because our debt is our

2511
01:00:00,794 --> 01:00:03,620
data at the end of the day. So

2512
01:00:03,620 --> 01:00:04,898
if we have given it to access

2513
01:00:04,898 --> 01:00:06,767
to one, um, entity, one

2514
01:00:06,767 --> 01:00:08,680
network, we can absolutely take

2515
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,400
it back from them. We also are

2516
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:11,171
restricted on retention. So we

2517
01:00:11,171 --> 01:00:12,306
can

2518
01:00:12,306 --> 01:00:14,474
t retain anything longer

2519
01:00:14,474 --> 01:00:14,641
than 30 days. So really if it

2520
01:00:14,641 --> 01:00:14,808
s

2521
01:00:14,808 --> 01:00:15,408
let

2522
01:00:15,408 --> 01:00:16,309
s say it

2523
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:17,577
s some instance

2524
01:00:17,577 --> 01:00:18,746
that happened longer than that,

2525
01:00:18,746 --> 01:00:19,879
we might not be able to recover

2526
01:00:19,879 --> 01:00:21,447
any information on that. So we

2527
01:00:21,447 --> 01:00:22,649
also limit the time. And

2528
01:00:22,649 --> 01:00:24,685
because we limit the scope of

2529
01:00:24,685 --> 01:00:26,453
the days, that also helps in

2530
01:00:26,453 --> 01:00:26,954
restricting information to that

2531
01:00:26,954 --> 01:00:27,854
kind of answer.

2532
01:00:27,854 --> 01:00:29,723
Yeah, that helps a lot. Is

2533
01:00:29,723 --> 01:00:31,558
there a reason why we leave the

2534
01:00:31,558 --> 01:00:32,659
door open once we allow access

2535
01:00:32,659 --> 01:00:33,827
in certain situations? Like it

2536
01:00:33,827 --> 01:00:34,160
would make sense. Adams County,

2537
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:34,527
because they

2538
01:00:34,527 --> 01:00:36,230
re right here

2539
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:36,763
locally or. But is there a

2540
01:00:36,763 --> 01:00:38,763
reason why we

2541
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,768
re keeping 790

2542
01:00:40,768 --> 01:00:41,401
people with access constantly

2543
01:00:41,401 --> 01:00:41,701
on those spots?

2544
01:00:41,701 --> 01:00:42,402
Yeah, that

2545
01:00:42,402 --> 01:00:44,710
s a great question.

2546
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:45,172
And I would yield back to the

2547
01:00:45,172 --> 01:00:45,338
like our missing person. We

2548
01:00:45,338 --> 01:00:46,407
don

2549
01:00:46,407 --> 01:00:48,410
t know when they cross

2550
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:49,509
state lines to be able to find

2551
01:00:49,509 --> 01:00:51,277
them. We had another one with a

2552
01:00:51,277 --> 01:00:52,612
gentleman with dementia. Now

2553
01:00:52,612 --> 01:00:54,214
this comes from Denver. He came

2554
01:00:54,214 --> 01:00:56,182
through our sound and then

2555
01:00:56,182 --> 01:00:57,650
ultimately was located up in

2556
01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:59,820
Fort Morgan, um, throughout the

2557
01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:02,220
day. So because of the stretch

2558
01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:02,289
where even suspects or people

2559
01:01:02,289 --> 01:01:03,924
that aren

2560
01:01:03,924 --> 01:01:05,125
t suspects go to, we

2561
01:01:05,125 --> 01:01:05,793
really do need to open door.

2562
01:01:05,793 --> 01:01:06,226
Now. If we didn

2563
01:01:06,226 --> 01:01:06,660
t open the

2564
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:07,294
door, we wouldn

2565
01:01:07,294 --> 01:01:09,496
t be able to

2566
01:01:09,496 --> 01:01:09,696
find that information. If we

2567
01:01:09,696 --> 01:01:10,597
didn

2568
01:01:10,597 --> 01:01:11,999
t have that open to those

2569
01:01:11,999 --> 01:01:12,533
specific entities, if that

2570
01:01:12,533 --> 01:01:13,800
makes sense.

2571
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,102
Yeah. How long does it take to

2572
01:01:15,102 --> 01:01:15,302
give that access? Like, say you

2573
01:01:15,302 --> 01:01:16,103
didn

2574
01:01:16,103 --> 01:01:17,370
t have it all the way

2575
01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:17,504
open, but you were like, hey,

2576
01:01:17,504 --> 01:01:18,500
we know this person

2577
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:19,206
s going in

2578
01:01:19,206 --> 01:01:20,941
this direction. We want access

2579
01:01:20,941 --> 01:01:22,308
from these five agencies or we

2580
01:01:22,308 --> 01:01:22,976
want to share, like, what does

2581
01:01:22,976 --> 01:01:24,577
that look like?

2582
01:01:24,577 --> 01:01:25,780
So we can start on our end, but

2583
01:01:25,780 --> 01:01:26,313
ultimately it

2584
01:01:26,313 --> 01:01:27,247
s on Fox servers

2585
01:01:27,247 --> 01:01:29,820
to be able to when do they

2586
01:01:29,820 --> 01:01:30,500
update the system and how long

2587
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:30,216
do they keep it open. So it

2588
01:01:30,216 --> 01:01:31,552
s

2589
01:01:31,552 --> 01:01:32,852
not necessarily an instant

2590
01:01:32,852 --> 01:01:34,154
thing that we can open up the

2591
01:01:34,154 --> 01:01:35,656
floodgates and be like, yep, we

2592
01:01:35,656 --> 01:01:37,925
can get access. We have to have

2593
01:01:37,925 --> 01:01:39,930
permission from that agency to

2594
01:01:39,930 --> 01:01:40,427
begin with. So there always has

2595
01:01:40,427 --> 01:01:41,361
to be communication prior to

2596
01:01:41,361 --> 01:01:42,960
actually opening up the

2597
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,960
floodgates.

2598
01:01:44,164 --> 01:01:45,498
And once they have access, can

2599
01:01:45,498 --> 01:01:46,733
they utilize that at any time,

2600
01:01:46,733 --> 01:01:47,134
or do they have to ask each

2601
01:01:47,134 --> 01:01:47,668
time that they

2602
01:01:47,668 --> 01:01:48,235
re looking for

2603
01:01:48,235 --> 01:01:49,136
the data that we

2604
01:01:49,136 --> 01:01:51,500
re grabbing?

2605
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:52,773
Right. So within the parameters

2606
01:01:52,773 --> 01:01:53,807
of the 30 days immigration and

2607
01:01:53,807 --> 01:01:54,141
reproductive care, they

2608
01:01:54,141 --> 01:01:55,409
re

2609
01:01:55,409 --> 01:01:57,411
still bound by those

2610
01:01:57,411 --> 01:01:59,113
restrictions. Um, so they can

2611
01:01:59,113 --> 01:01:59,446
do searches that will come up.

2612
01:01:59,446 --> 01:02:00,140
So if they

2613
01:02:00,140 --> 01:02:01,281
re looking for a

2614
01:02:01,281 --> 01:02:03,490
vehicle of a missing person,

2615
01:02:03,490 --> 01:02:04,418
they can search our our cameras

2616
01:02:04,418 --> 01:02:04,618
for those things. As long as it

2617
01:02:04,618 --> 01:02:06,618
doesn

2618
01:02:06,620 --> 01:02:07,488
t violate those, um, the

2619
01:02:07,488 --> 01:02:08,155
reproductive care and the

2620
01:02:08,155 --> 01:02:08,755
immigration.

2621
01:02:08,755 --> 01:02:09,657
And when you

2622
01:02:09,657 --> 01:02:11,959
re going out and

2623
01:02:11,959 --> 01:02:14,195
doing, um, like an audit

2624
01:02:14,195 --> 01:02:16,630
internally, um, on those items,

2625
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:19,330
are you also auditing our

2626
01:02:19,330 --> 01:02:21,330
partners, those 790 partners?

2627
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:22,690
So I actually was down and I

2628
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:23,670
wanted to add something. And

2629
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:25,172
your next question hit it. We

2630
01:02:25,172 --> 01:02:26,707
audit our internal use and we

2631
01:02:26,707 --> 01:02:28,420
audit the searches conducted on

2632
01:02:28,420 --> 01:02:28,609
our network by our external

2633
01:02:28,609 --> 01:02:29,944
partners as well.

2634
01:02:29,944 --> 01:02:30,477
And you audit every single one

2635
01:02:30,477 --> 01:02:31,144
of them or you

2636
01:02:31,144 --> 01:02:31,979
re taking

2637
01:02:31,979 --> 01:02:32,346
samples.

2638
01:02:32,346 --> 01:02:33,380
Uh, it

2639
01:02:33,380 --> 01:02:33,881
s not every single one

2640
01:02:33,881 --> 01:02:34,150
of them because there

2641
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:34,915
s

2642
01:02:34,915 --> 01:02:36,750
probably too many to do. We

2643
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:38,252
utilize an ai assistant tool

2644
01:02:38,252 --> 01:02:40,652
that helps flag suspicious

2645
01:02:40,755 --> 01:02:42,490
searches, searches of one plate

2646
01:02:42,490 --> 01:02:43,357
conducted multiple times by

2647
01:02:43,357 --> 01:02:43,557
multiple people. There

2648
01:02:43,557 --> 01:02:44,658
s a

2649
01:02:44,658 --> 01:02:46,493
number of different things that

2650
01:02:46,493 --> 01:02:47,527
alert to which ones. So we have

2651
01:02:47,527 --> 01:02:48,729
the ability to audit every

2652
01:02:48,729 --> 01:02:50,331
single one of them. But due to

2653
01:02:50,331 --> 01:02:52,320
the sheer volume we we use

2654
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,602
utilize ai to help us with

2655
01:02:54,602 --> 01:02:55,636
that. But we also some of you

2656
01:02:55,636 --> 01:02:57,237
MAY have seen the news

2657
01:02:57,237 --> 01:02:58,239
recently. FLoc rolled out a

2658
01:02:58,239 --> 01:02:59,573
couple of changes to their

2659
01:02:59,573 --> 01:03:01,208
system that we were actually

2660
01:03:01,208 --> 01:03:02,243
contemplating anyway, like for

2661
01:03:02,243 --> 01:03:02,376
our internal searches, we

2662
01:03:02,376 --> 01:03:03,977
re

2663
01:03:03,977 --> 01:03:05,813
requiring a case number. They

2664
01:03:05,813 --> 01:03:07,915
have made that mandatory for

2665
01:03:07,915 --> 01:03:09,683
all agencies at this point. So

2666
01:03:09,683 --> 01:03:11,151
when another agency runs a

2667
01:03:11,151 --> 01:03:11,319
search on our system, they

2668
01:03:11,319 --> 01:03:12,921
can

2669
01:03:12,921 --> 01:03:14,355
t just put suspicious

2670
01:03:14,355 --> 01:03:15,556
vehicle. They have to put a

2671
01:03:15,556 --> 01:03:16,560
case number tied to it. In that

2672
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,250
case number that

2673
01:03:17,250 --> 01:03:18,426
s tied to it

2674
01:03:18,426 --> 01:03:20,528
gives us an objective thing to

2675
01:03:20,528 --> 01:03:22,263
to look at and go, okay, was

2676
01:03:22,263 --> 01:03:24,980
this search in fact conducted

2677
01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:24,799
for legitimate law enforcement

2678
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:25,660
reasons or not?

2679
01:03:25,660 --> 01:03:26,267
And that

2680
01:03:26,267 --> 01:03:26,467
s a federal mandate or

2681
01:03:26,467 --> 01:03:27,802
that

2682
01:03:27,802 --> 01:03:28,200
s a Colorado.

2683
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,870
That

2684
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:31,372
s a flock, uh, change that

2685
01:03:31,372 --> 01:03:32,340
they rolled out in response to

2686
01:03:32,340 --> 01:03:32,540
some of the criticisms they

2687
01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:32,940
ve

2688
01:03:32,940 --> 01:03:34,940
received.

2689
01:03:35,142 --> 01:03:36,610
But not on not legislatively.

2690
01:03:36,610 --> 01:03:37,912
Not legislatively.

2691
01:03:37,912 --> 01:03:39,580
Just practice.

2692
01:03:39,580 --> 01:03:40,448
No, not just practice. It

2693
01:03:40,448 --> 01:03:42,830
s to

2694
01:03:42,830 --> 01:03:44,385
utilize the system. You have to

2695
01:03:44,385 --> 01:03:45,519
enter, uh, the justification, a

2696
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:46,754
case report or a call for

2697
01:03:46,754 --> 01:03:47,188
service number in the search

2698
01:03:47,188 --> 01:03:48,889
field.

2699
01:03:48,889 --> 01:03:50,889
Okay. Thank you.

2700
01:03:53,861 --> 01:03:56,630
Any other questions? Are we

2701
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:57,265
going to have this on consent?

2702
01:03:57,265 --> 01:03:57,865
We would like to if you

2703
01:03:57,865 --> 01:03:59,865
re all

2704
01:04:00,769 --> 01:04:01,202
amenable to that.

2705
01:04:01,202 --> 01:04:03,400
I don

2706
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,604
t see any issue with that

2707
01:04:07,608 --> 01:04:07,775
here. Yeah okay. Thank you.

2708
01:04:07,775 --> 01:04:09,760
We

2709
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,760
ll that next week. Thanks.

2710
01:04:13,381 --> 01:04:16,981
Thanks. Next is the 2020 or not

2711
01:04:18,419 --> 01:04:20,419
26 2016 revenue bond refunding

2712
01:04:20,555 --> 01:04:23,555
city manager update or City

2713
01:04:24,492 --> 01:04:26,492
Manager Martinez.

2714
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:29,970
Thank you. Mayor. Finance

2715
01:04:29,970 --> 01:04:31,599
Director Katrina Asher will be

2716
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,501
here for this presentation. And

2717
01:04:33,501 --> 01:04:35,703
the next presentation. So I

2718
01:04:35,703 --> 01:04:36,771
will turn the floor over to

2719
01:04:36,771 --> 01:04:38,771
Katrina.

2720
01:04:39,673 --> 01:04:41,673
Thank you. Michael.

2721
01:04:47,482 --> 01:04:49,985
All right. All right, so this

2722
01:04:49,985 --> 01:04:51,920
first item I have for you is,

2723
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,920
as city manager mentioned, a

2724
01:04:55,156 --> 01:04:57,556
refunding of the 2016 water

2725
01:04:57,658 --> 01:04:58,759
activity bonds. So this is

2726
01:04:58,759 --> 01:04:59,327
essentially if you

2727
01:04:59,327 --> 01:05:00,562
ve ever

2728
01:05:00,562 --> 01:05:00,862
owned a house and refinanced a

2729
01:05:00,862 --> 01:05:01,296
house, that

2730
01:05:01,296 --> 01:05:01,429
s really what we

2731
01:05:01,429 --> 01:05:02,530
re

2732
01:05:02,530 --> 01:05:03,398
talking about is refinancing

2733
01:05:03,398 --> 01:05:03,798
our debt. So I

2734
01:05:03,798 --> 01:05:04,765
ll walk you

2735
01:05:04,765 --> 01:05:04,933
through the parameters and what

2736
01:05:04,933 --> 01:05:06,701
we

2737
01:05:06,701 --> 01:05:06,835
re proposing. But as we

2738
01:05:06,835 --> 01:05:07,702
re

2739
01:05:07,702 --> 01:05:07,936
doing that, again, keeping in

2740
01:05:07,936 --> 01:05:09,104
mind we

2741
01:05:09,104 --> 01:05:10,238
re not taking up new

2742
01:05:10,238 --> 01:05:12,107
debt to do new projects, this

2743
01:05:12,107 --> 01:05:13,700
is to pay down old debt and get

2744
01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:13,508
a better interest rate is

2745
01:05:13,508 --> 01:05:13,775
essentially what we

2746
01:05:13,775 --> 01:05:14,943
re trying

2747
01:05:14,943 --> 01:05:18,460
to do is save our save

2748
01:05:18,460 --> 01:05:18,913
ourselves some money. So the

2749
01:05:18,913 --> 01:05:20,349
background on this, this

2750
01:05:20,349 --> 01:05:23,384
actually is some debt that goes

2751
01:05:23,384 --> 01:05:26,384
back to 2009. And so the 20

2752
01:05:26,888 --> 01:05:27,122
when you see 2016we that

2753
01:05:27,122 --> 01:05:28,823
s

2754
01:05:28,823 --> 01:05:30,592
water activity, enterprise

2755
01:05:30,592 --> 01:05:32,661
revenue bonds. So when we issue

2756
01:05:32,661 --> 01:05:34,563
debt in our utility funds I did

2757
01:05:34,563 --> 01:05:34,729
not misspell water. I promise

2758
01:05:34,729 --> 01:05:35,463
you

2759
01:05:35,463 --> 01:05:35,664
re not the first one who

2760
01:05:35,664 --> 01:05:37,664
s

2761
01:05:38,660 --> 01:05:40,535
asked that. Um, so our water

2762
01:05:40,535 --> 01:05:42,136
activity enterprise is actually

2763
01:05:42,136 --> 01:05:43,271
our water and wastewater funds

2764
01:05:43,271 --> 01:05:45,720
together. So for Tabor

2765
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:46,475
purposes, they are the same

2766
01:05:46,475 --> 01:05:48,100
enterprise fund. So when we

2767
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:49,144
issue debt in those funds, we

2768
01:05:49,144 --> 01:05:50,712
issue them as part of that

2769
01:05:50,712 --> 01:05:53,515
enterprise, which is the water

2770
01:05:53,515 --> 01:05:54,916
activity enterprise. So these

2771
01:05:54,916 --> 01:05:56,885
bonds were originally issued in

2772
01:05:56,885 --> 01:05:58,353
2009 to fund improvements for

2773
01:05:58,353 --> 01:06:00,322
both entities. So this debt is

2774
01:06:00,322 --> 01:06:02,991
paid by both of those funds.

2775
01:06:02,991 --> 01:06:05,610
Original term was through 2037.

2776
01:06:05,610 --> 01:06:06,361
In 2016, they were eligible for

2777
01:06:06,361 --> 01:06:07,763
refunding, so we did refund

2778
01:06:07,763 --> 01:06:09,564
them at that point to secure a

2779
01:06:09,564 --> 01:06:10,766
lower interest rate. We did not

2780
01:06:10,766 --> 01:06:12,133
change the repayment term

2781
01:06:12,133 --> 01:06:14,200
though, so still looking at

2782
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,200
repayment at full maturity in

2783
01:06:17,172 --> 01:06:19,173
2037. So the original issue was

2784
01:06:19,173 --> 01:06:21,342
actually 30.1 million when it

2785
01:06:21,342 --> 01:06:22,877
was issued in 2009. When we did

2786
01:06:22,877 --> 01:06:25,277
that, refunding in 2016 was

2787
01:06:25,314 --> 01:06:27,820
about 27 million. And as of the

2788
01:06:27,820 --> 01:06:28,550
end of last year, just over 16

2789
01:06:28,550 --> 01:06:29,510
million was remaining on those

2790
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:30,850
bonds. And that

2791
01:06:30,850 --> 01:06:30,318
s the balance

2792
01:06:30,318 --> 01:06:32,318
that we

2793
01:06:32,354 --> 01:06:34,256
re looking to refund.

2794
01:06:34,256 --> 01:06:36,225
So the bonds became eligible

2795
01:06:36,225 --> 01:06:36,358
for refunding in 2026. So we

2796
01:06:36,358 --> 01:06:37,659
re

2797
01:06:37,659 --> 01:06:38,760
not we have to hold them for a

2798
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,362
certain period of time before

2799
01:06:40,362 --> 01:06:40,729
we can do a refunding on them.

2800
01:06:40,729 --> 01:06:42,431
So what we

2801
01:06:42,431 --> 01:06:43,865
re proposing this

2802
01:06:43,865 --> 01:06:45,333
can working with our financial

2803
01:06:45,333 --> 01:06:46,835
advisors at Hilltop Securities,

2804
01:06:46,835 --> 01:06:47,770
they analyze these and and

2805
01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:48,971
said, yeah, we could probably

2806
01:06:48,971 --> 01:06:50,372
save you some money by doing a

2807
01:06:50,372 --> 01:06:51,507
refunding on them. What we

2808
01:06:51,507 --> 01:06:55,107
would propose is a ten year

2809
01:06:55,110 --> 01:06:55,944
term maturing in 2037. So

2810
01:06:55,944 --> 01:06:56,780
again, same issue date. We

2811
01:06:56,780 --> 01:06:57,379
re

2812
01:06:57,379 --> 01:06:58,413
not trying to lower our payment

2813
01:06:58,413 --> 01:06:58,580
by extending the debt. We

2814
01:06:58,580 --> 01:06:59,715
re

2815
01:06:59,715 --> 01:07:01,183
keeping that same payment

2816
01:07:01,183 --> 01:07:02,484
timeline. The savings would

2817
01:07:02,484 --> 01:07:04,786
come from a better overall

2818
01:07:04,786 --> 01:07:06,254
interest rate looking as of as

2819
01:07:06,254 --> 01:07:10,125
of rates right now at a net

2820
01:07:10,125 --> 01:07:11,393
interest cost of 3.6%. Um, the

2821
01:07:11,393 --> 01:07:12,494
savings on that for both of our

2822
01:07:12,494 --> 01:07:14,829
funds together would be just

2823
01:07:14,829 --> 01:07:16,364
shy of 60,000 a year. Um, so

2824
01:07:16,364 --> 01:07:17,766
one thing I will caveat this

2825
01:07:17,766 --> 01:07:18,868
with is that our markets right

2826
01:07:18,868 --> 01:07:21,103
now, including interest rates,

2827
01:07:21,103 --> 01:07:22,471
are a bit volatile. So if we

2828
01:07:22,471 --> 01:07:23,972
were to see interest rates

2829
01:07:23,972 --> 01:07:24,273
increase to a point where it

2830
01:07:24,273 --> 01:07:26,700
s

2831
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:27,342
no longer, this refunding is no

2832
01:07:27,342 --> 01:07:28,143
longer beneficial to the fund,

2833
01:07:28,143 --> 01:07:29,411
we would know we would not

2834
01:07:29,411 --> 01:07:30,279
continue with it, but we do

2835
01:07:30,279 --> 01:07:31,246
want to get ourselves in a

2836
01:07:31,246 --> 01:07:32,248
position where we could take

2837
01:07:32,248 --> 01:07:32,948
advantage of the interest

2838
01:07:32,948 --> 01:07:35,117
rates. While they are

2839
01:07:35,117 --> 01:07:36,418
beneficial to us. Um, doing a

2840
01:07:36,418 --> 01:07:38,587
refunding or a debt issuance of

2841
01:07:38,587 --> 01:07:39,655
any kind can take about 3 to 6

2842
01:07:39,655 --> 01:07:39,821
months. So we want to make sure

2843
01:07:39,821 --> 01:07:40,823
we

2844
01:07:40,823 --> 01:07:41,790
re getting ahead of this as

2845
01:07:41,790 --> 01:07:41,957
quickly as we can, so we

2846
01:07:41,957 --> 01:07:43,920
re

2847
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,994
ready to move. If the market

2848
01:07:45,994 --> 01:07:46,862
makes sense for that. So as I

2849
01:07:46,862 --> 01:07:48,300
mentioned, we work with our

2850
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:49,832
partner organizations at

2851
01:07:49,832 --> 01:07:50,266
Hilltop Securities and Butler.

2852
01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:51,267
So we

2853
01:07:51,267 --> 01:07:52,668
ve worked with them on a

2854
01:07:52,668 --> 01:07:54,102
number of debt issuances over

2855
01:07:54,102 --> 01:07:55,170
the many years. They know they

2856
01:07:55,170 --> 01:07:55,637
know us well. We know them

2857
01:07:55,637 --> 01:07:56,172
well. They

2858
01:07:56,172 --> 01:07:58,400
ve been great

2859
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,708
partners in those kinds of

2860
01:07:59,708 --> 01:07:59,875
transactions. Um, when we

2861
01:07:59,875 --> 01:08:00,842
re

2862
01:08:00,842 --> 01:08:01,430
doing a borrowing, there

2863
01:08:01,430 --> 01:08:02,144
s a

2864
01:08:02,144 --> 01:08:03,178
number of documents that go

2865
01:08:03,178 --> 01:08:04,513
into this. The one that would

2866
01:08:04,513 --> 01:08:05,748
come to you if you were

2867
01:08:05,748 --> 01:08:06,949
supportive at the next meeting

2868
01:08:06,949 --> 01:08:08,817
would be the bond ordinance

2869
01:08:08,817 --> 01:08:09,785
that authorizes us to do this

2870
01:08:09,785 --> 01:08:10,820
refunding. There

2871
01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:11,820
s also a very

2872
01:08:11,820 --> 01:08:13,455
large document called a

2873
01:08:13,455 --> 01:08:14,857
preliminary official statement

2874
01:08:14,857 --> 01:08:16,124
that talks a lot about the

2875
01:08:16,124 --> 01:08:17,760
water activity enterprise. We

2876
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,861
talk about both of the funds.

2877
01:08:18,861 --> 01:08:20,362
We talk about the financial

2878
01:08:20,362 --> 01:08:21,363
situation for the funds, what

2879
01:08:21,363 --> 01:08:22,464
they their revenues and

2880
01:08:22,464 --> 01:08:23,320
expenses look like into the

2881
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:24,660
future. It

2882
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:25,401
s basically our

2883
01:08:25,401 --> 01:08:27,136
document that we share with

2884
01:08:27,136 --> 01:08:29,905
potential lenders to show them

2885
01:08:29,905 --> 01:08:30,873
that we are a reliable source

2886
01:08:30,873 --> 01:08:32,641
to lend to, and that we would

2887
01:08:32,641 --> 01:08:34,610
like them to loan us money. Uh,

2888
01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:36,450
we would have ratings calls or

2889
01:08:36,450 --> 01:08:37,280
ratings call to rate our bonds,

2890
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,415
and then we would have the bond

2891
01:08:39,415 --> 01:08:41,516
sale. So this here is looking

2892
01:08:41,516 --> 01:08:42,952
at that timeline. So we are

2893
01:08:42,952 --> 01:08:43,819
here at step one which is

2894
01:08:43,819 --> 01:08:45,888
talking to you about it,

2895
01:08:45,888 --> 01:08:47,122
answering questions. If you are

2896
01:08:47,122 --> 01:08:48,457
supportive we will come back

2897
01:08:48,457 --> 01:08:50,326
next week with the first

2898
01:08:50,326 --> 01:08:51,327
reading of the bond ordinance

2899
01:08:51,327 --> 01:08:52,761
and the second reading of that

2900
01:08:52,761 --> 01:08:54,229
to come several weeks later.

2901
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:55,631
That authorizes us to move

2902
01:08:55,631 --> 01:08:57,330
forward. We would then schedule

2903
01:08:57,330 --> 01:08:58,000
that ratings call in the

2904
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:58,934
background to be working on

2905
01:08:58,934 --> 01:09:00,602
those documents, like the

2906
01:09:00,602 --> 01:09:02,380
preliminary official statement.

2907
01:09:02,380 --> 01:09:04,373
We do that competitive bond

2908
01:09:04,373 --> 01:09:06,142
sale in NOVEMBER and then close

2909
01:09:06,142 --> 01:09:07,510
and refund our bonds, refund

2910
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:09,512
the previous the old bonds in

2911
01:09:09,512 --> 01:09:09,846
DECEMBER. So, um, that

2912
01:09:09,846 --> 01:09:11,846
s where

2913
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:13,490
the ten year timeline starts

2914
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:14,150
next year, because we would

2915
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:15,184
still be making our normal debt

2916
01:09:15,184 --> 01:09:15,418
payments this year because we

2917
01:09:15,418 --> 01:09:17,119
wouldn

2918
01:09:17,119 --> 01:09:19,222
t close until DECEMBER

2919
01:09:19,222 --> 01:09:19,722
after those are due. So this is

2920
01:09:19,722 --> 01:09:20,823
the timeline we

2921
01:09:20,823 --> 01:09:20,957
re looking at.

2922
01:09:20,957 --> 01:09:21,924
I

2923
01:09:21,924 --> 01:09:23,926
m talking a little bit more

2924
01:09:23,926 --> 01:09:25,161
about each of those steps. The

2925
01:09:25,161 --> 01:09:26,562
bond ordinance, again, is the

2926
01:09:26,562 --> 01:09:26,929
main document that you would

2927
01:09:26,929 --> 01:09:27,596
see that we

2928
01:09:27,596 --> 01:09:29,832
d be asking for

2929
01:09:29,832 --> 01:09:31,300
your approval on. It sets some

2930
01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:33,436
parameters on what we can do

2931
01:09:33,436 --> 01:09:35,571
when we issue the bonds. So the

2932
01:09:35,571 --> 01:09:36,939
maximum amount of debt issued,

2933
01:09:36,939 --> 01:09:38,307
the maximum interest rate that

2934
01:09:38,307 --> 01:09:39,909
we would accept, and then also

2935
01:09:39,909 --> 01:09:42,909
the maximum maturity, which is

2936
01:09:43,446 --> 01:09:44,214
that 2037 timeline. Um, when we

2937
01:09:44,214 --> 01:09:44,580
do this, as I mentioned, it

2938
01:09:44,580 --> 01:09:46,149
s a

2939
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:47,550
competitive sale. So we put our

2940
01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:48,651
bonds out there. Different

2941
01:09:48,651 --> 01:09:49,618
underwriters will come in and

2942
01:09:49,618 --> 01:09:49,786
bid on those bonds. So we don

2943
01:09:49,786 --> 01:09:51,860
t

2944
01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:52,755
know until that bond sale

2945
01:09:52,755 --> 01:09:53,856
happens what that interest rate

2946
01:09:53,856 --> 01:09:55,257
would be. But we would select,

2947
01:09:55,257 --> 01:09:57,293
of course, the most competitive

2948
01:09:57,293 --> 01:09:58,294
rate for the city. But we set

2949
01:09:58,294 --> 01:09:59,796
these parameters to say we

2950
01:09:59,796 --> 01:10:03,396
would not go over or accept

2951
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:04,900
over a certain percentage. In

2952
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:05,267
mid-OCTOBER, we

2953
01:10:05,267 --> 01:10:07,136
d have the

2954
01:10:07,136 --> 01:10:09,472
rating call. The ratings call,

2955
01:10:09,472 --> 01:10:11,174
um, is gives us that that bond

2956
01:10:11,174 --> 01:10:12,742
rating for the funds and is one

2957
01:10:12,742 --> 01:10:14,100
of the more important factors

2958
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:15,545
in what that interest rate is.

2959
01:10:15,545 --> 01:10:17,647
So we want to maintain our

2960
01:10:17,647 --> 01:10:19,515
rating, um, and show that we

2961
01:10:19,515 --> 01:10:22,510
are, again, a good credit bet

2962
01:10:22,510 --> 01:10:23,453
for those lenders. And then in

2963
01:10:23,453 --> 01:10:24,521
NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, we have the

2964
01:10:24,521 --> 01:10:25,755
bond sale. We receive the

2965
01:10:25,755 --> 01:10:27,457
funds, we pay off the old debt.

2966
01:10:27,457 --> 01:10:30,590
We have now new debt, and we

2967
01:10:30,590 --> 01:10:32,462
move forward. Um, so as far as

2968
01:10:32,462 --> 01:10:33,129
debt issuances go, this is

2969
01:10:33,129 --> 01:10:33,930
generally a pretty

2970
01:10:33,930 --> 01:10:34,197
straightforward one because

2971
01:10:34,197 --> 01:10:34,931
again, we

2972
01:10:34,931 --> 01:10:35,565
re not funding any

2973
01:10:35,565 --> 01:10:35,865
new projects. We

2974
01:10:35,865 --> 01:10:36,999
re not

2975
01:10:36,999 --> 01:10:37,267
planning to build anything with

2976
01:10:37,267 --> 01:10:38,134
this. We

2977
01:10:38,134 --> 01:10:39,268
re just aiming to save

2978
01:10:39,268 --> 01:10:40,603
the funds some money by getting

2979
01:10:40,603 --> 01:10:43,506
a better interest rate than

2980
01:10:43,506 --> 01:10:43,773
what we got in 2016. So with

2981
01:10:43,773 --> 01:10:45,274
that, I

2982
01:10:45,274 --> 01:10:47,176
m happy to answer any

2983
01:10:47,176 --> 01:10:49,176
questions for you.

2984
01:10:49,779 --> 01:10:50,347
Questions? Mayor Pro Tem,

2985
01:10:50,347 --> 01:10:51,647
thanks.

2986
01:10:51,647 --> 01:10:53,717
Does this also account for any

2987
01:10:53,717 --> 01:10:55,185
costs associated with the

2988
01:10:55,185 --> 01:10:56,219
savings account for the costs

2989
01:10:56,219 --> 01:10:57,186
associated with doing the

2990
01:10:57,186 --> 01:10:58,388
refinance itself?

2991
01:10:58,388 --> 01:11:00,656
It does. Yeah. That that

2992
01:11:00,656 --> 01:11:02,359
maximum debt issued includes

2993
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:03,726
the debt issuance costs and the

2994
01:11:03,726 --> 01:11:05,195
overall savings that percentage

2995
01:11:05,195 --> 01:11:07,195
factors debt into.

2996
01:11:07,597 --> 01:11:09,565
Okay. Uh, always appreciative

2997
01:11:09,565 --> 01:11:11,134
of that effort from our finance

2998
01:11:11,134 --> 01:11:12,803
department. You guys work very

2999
01:11:12,803 --> 01:11:14,705
hard to save money on the

3000
01:11:14,705 --> 01:11:14,938
existing, uh, debt to make sure

3001
01:11:14,938 --> 01:11:15,305
that we

3002
01:11:15,305 --> 01:11:16,305
re we

3003
01:11:16,305 --> 01:11:17,641
re managing and

3004
01:11:17,641 --> 01:11:20,410
being responsible with our

3005
01:11:20,711 --> 01:11:20,843
funds on a constant basis. And

3006
01:11:20,843 --> 01:11:22,843
I

3007
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,348
m amazed at the diligence to

3008
01:11:25,348 --> 01:11:26,816
always know when is the time to

3009
01:11:26,816 --> 01:11:27,751
take this kind of an action. So

3010
01:11:27,751 --> 01:11:28,351
obviously you

3011
01:11:28,351 --> 01:11:29,352
re not sitting

3012
01:11:29,352 --> 01:11:29,719
and thinking about it once a

3013
01:11:29,719 --> 01:11:30,787
quarter, but it

3014
01:11:30,787 --> 01:11:32,656
s a pretty

3015
01:11:32,656 --> 01:11:34,657
consistent activity. What can

3016
01:11:34,657 --> 01:11:35,825
we do to manage funds and do a

3017
01:11:35,825 --> 01:11:37,994
little bit of savings? I just

3018
01:11:37,994 --> 01:11:39,994
appreciate that tremendously.

3019
01:11:41,598 --> 01:11:43,400
And I, I the city certainly has

3020
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:44,834
saved a tremendous amount of

3021
01:11:44,834 --> 01:11:47,303
money for your efforts doing

3022
01:11:47,303 --> 01:11:48,838
that. So I appreciate it.

3023
01:11:48,838 --> 01:11:49,572
Definitely appreciated. Council

3024
01:11:49,572 --> 01:11:51,208
Member Tadeo.

3025
01:11:51,208 --> 01:11:53,844
Thank you. And thank you. Yes,

3026
01:11:53,844 --> 01:11:54,744
I completely agree. My question

3027
01:11:54,744 --> 01:11:55,645
is, um, you

3028
01:11:55,645 --> 01:11:57,514
re talking on

3029
01:11:57,514 --> 01:11:59,914
whichever slide for current

3030
01:11:59,950 --> 01:12:02,585
estimated net interest cost of

3031
01:12:02,585 --> 01:12:03,954
3.6%. And then later on right

3032
01:12:03,954 --> 01:12:05,122
there, you just went past it.

3033
01:12:05,122 --> 01:12:07,522
It max the maximum.

3034
01:12:08,559 --> 01:12:09,159
Rate of 3.7. What do we paying

3035
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:10,527
right now.

3036
01:12:10,527 --> 01:12:10,761
So when you issue bonds like

3037
01:12:10,761 --> 01:12:11,961
this it

3038
01:12:11,961 --> 01:12:12,950
s not one bond. It

3039
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:13,597
s

3040
01:12:13,597 --> 01:12:16,499
actually a series of bonds. And

3041
01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:17,701
so they range from 2 to 5. So

3042
01:12:17,701 --> 01:12:18,602
this is where we really rely

3043
01:12:18,602 --> 01:12:19,836
heavily on our partners at

3044
01:12:19,836 --> 01:12:20,904
Hilltop Securities. They do the

3045
01:12:20,904 --> 01:12:22,205
analysis of all of those

3046
01:12:22,205 --> 01:12:22,539
outstanding bonds. And what

3047
01:12:22,539 --> 01:12:23,707
s

3048
01:12:23,707 --> 01:12:25,976
still out there. You know our

3049
01:12:25,976 --> 01:12:26,910
lowest interest rate series has

3050
01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:27,430
already been paid off. So we

3051
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:27,945
re

3052
01:12:27,945 --> 01:12:28,245
kind of getting into the point

3053
01:12:28,245 --> 01:12:28,845
where what

3054
01:12:28,845 --> 01:12:31,245
s left of our

3055
01:12:31,315 --> 01:12:32,683
previous debt is that that, you

3056
01:12:32,683 --> 01:12:33,150
know, 3 to 5. So it

3057
01:12:33,150 --> 01:12:35,150
s starting

3058
01:12:35,252 --> 01:12:37,888
to get higher. Um, and when we

3059
01:12:37,888 --> 01:12:38,922
say maximum of 3.7, that

3060
01:12:38,922 --> 01:12:39,255
s uh,

3061
01:12:39,255 --> 01:12:39,856
again, there

3062
01:12:39,856 --> 01:12:41,625
s a series, some

3063
01:12:41,625 --> 01:12:43,594
of those series will be lower

3064
01:12:43,594 --> 01:12:43,760
than that. So, yeah, overall,

3065
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:44,261
we

3066
01:12:44,261 --> 01:12:45,362
re still looking at.

3067
01:12:45,362 --> 01:12:45,629
Yeah. Well I can appreciate

3068
01:12:45,629 --> 01:12:45,962
when you

3069
01:12:45,962 --> 01:12:46,396
re saying we

3070
01:12:46,396 --> 01:12:47,497
re

3071
01:12:47,497 --> 01:12:49,897
estimating savings of, you

3072
01:12:50,166 --> 01:12:52,269
know, 59,000 a year total 650.

3073
01:12:52,269 --> 01:12:53,436
Then for me, I like to hear it

3074
01:12:53,436 --> 01:12:53,603
percentage rates. And I know it

3075
01:12:53,603 --> 01:12:54,671
isn

3076
01:12:54,671 --> 01:12:56,139
t that simple, but I

3077
01:12:56,139 --> 01:12:57,875
appreciate that explanation.

3078
01:12:57,875 --> 01:12:59,875
Sure. Thank you.

3079
01:13:00,777 --> 01:13:02,946
Anybody else? Council member

3080
01:13:02,946 --> 01:13:04,946
Wirth..

3081
01:13:05,482 --> 01:13:07,184
Thanks. You mentioned that if

3082
01:13:07,184 --> 01:13:09,190
rates were to suddenly spike,

3083
01:13:09,190 --> 01:13:09,219
we can hit the brakes, but.

3084
01:13:09,219 --> 01:13:09,519
That

3085
01:13:09,519 --> 01:13:10,588
s correct.

3086
01:13:10,588 --> 01:13:11,955
Yeah. How much notice do we

3087
01:13:11,955 --> 01:13:12,990
have to give them to hit the

3088
01:13:12,990 --> 01:13:14,990
brakes?

3089
01:13:15,692 --> 01:13:15,859
So at this point, um, I mean,

3090
01:13:15,859 --> 01:13:17,161
we

3091
01:13:17,161 --> 01:13:19,496
d be doing the competitive

3092
01:13:19,496 --> 01:13:19,663
sale in NOVEMBER. You know, if

3093
01:13:19,663 --> 01:13:21,398
it

3094
01:13:21,398 --> 01:13:22,599
s late OCTOBER to early

3095
01:13:22,599 --> 01:13:22,900
NOVEMBER, we start realizing

3096
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:24,201
the market

3097
01:13:24,201 --> 01:13:25,870
s not going to be

3098
01:13:25,870 --> 01:13:26,736
conducive to a refunding. We

3099
01:13:26,736 --> 01:13:28,138
start changing that

3100
01:13:28,138 --> 01:13:29,773
conversation about not doing

3101
01:13:29,773 --> 01:13:30,775
this. And the fed is meeting

3102
01:13:30,775 --> 01:13:30,974
next week to talk about rates.

3103
01:13:30,974 --> 01:13:32,476
That

3104
01:13:32,476 --> 01:13:34,378
ll be a very telling about

3105
01:13:34,378 --> 01:13:34,745
where things are going. But you

3106
01:13:34,745 --> 01:13:36,480
know again that

3107
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:37,882
s where our

3108
01:13:37,882 --> 01:13:38,849
having our advisors with with

3109
01:13:38,849 --> 01:13:38,983
hilltop. And you know they

3110
01:13:38,983 --> 01:13:40,840
re

3111
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,520
monitoring this for us very

3112
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:43,220
closely to we can also pause

3113
01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:45,155
and then wait and then come

3114
01:13:45,155 --> 01:13:46,122
back if, if it looks like rates

3115
01:13:46,122 --> 01:13:46,290
are going to drop again to you

3116
01:13:46,290 --> 01:13:47,240
don

3117
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,460
t want to try to time the

3118
01:13:49,460 --> 01:13:50,794
market like that too much. But

3119
01:13:50,794 --> 01:13:51,728
we do want to be cognizant of

3120
01:13:51,728 --> 01:13:52,663
that. If the fed were to raise

3121
01:13:52,663 --> 01:13:54,431
rates, then that could

3122
01:13:54,431 --> 01:13:54,932
definitely change the outcome

3123
01:13:54,932 --> 01:13:55,366
here.

3124
01:13:55,366 --> 01:13:55,933
Yeah, well it

3125
01:13:55,933 --> 01:13:57,167
s hard to tell

3126
01:13:57,167 --> 01:13:58,569
now with the with the new fed.

3127
01:13:58,569 --> 01:13:59,937
The other the last fed chair

3128
01:13:59,937 --> 01:14:01,380
wore everything on his sleeve.

3129
01:14:01,380 --> 01:14:02,339
Right. This guy keeps

3130
01:14:02,339 --> 01:14:03,407
everything close to his vest.

3131
01:14:03,407 --> 01:14:03,740
Very much.

3132
01:14:03,740 --> 01:14:04,740
Um it

3133
01:14:04,740 --> 01:14:04,775
s it

3134
01:14:04,775 --> 01:14:05,476
s going to be much

3135
01:14:05,476 --> 01:14:05,709
harder, but I think it

3136
01:14:05,709 --> 01:14:07,709
s going

3137
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,715
to be pretty volatile. Yes. Um,

3138
01:14:11,715 --> 01:14:15,285
the um, so once you once we

3139
01:14:15,285 --> 01:14:17,788
say. Yep. Go. Um, the time

3140
01:14:17,788 --> 01:14:19,290
frame then is.

3141
01:14:19,290 --> 01:14:20,224
So if, if, uh, we

3142
01:14:20,224 --> 01:14:21,825
ll bring the

3143
01:14:21,825 --> 01:14:24,328
bond ordinance next week for,

3144
01:14:24,328 --> 01:14:26,297
for initial and then final on

3145
01:14:26,297 --> 01:14:27,532
OCTOBER 6th, then things start

3146
01:14:27,532 --> 01:14:27,698
to move quickly for us because

3147
01:14:27,698 --> 01:14:28,966
we

3148
01:14:28,966 --> 01:14:30,535
ll have that ratings call.

3149
01:14:30,535 --> 01:14:31,269
Um, but then the sale itself is

3150
01:14:31,269 --> 01:14:31,735
in NOVEMBER, so we

3151
01:14:31,735 --> 01:14:32,737
ll be aiming

3152
01:14:32,737 --> 01:14:33,270
to close by the end of the

3153
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:35,270
year.

3154
01:14:35,839 --> 01:14:36,273
Okay. So a couple of months

3155
01:14:36,273 --> 01:14:37,541
okay.

3156
01:14:37,541 --> 01:14:38,676
Yeah. Usually about three

3157
01:14:38,676 --> 01:14:39,844
months is about the quickest we

3158
01:14:39,844 --> 01:14:41,412
can get it. Yeah.

3159
01:14:41,412 --> 01:14:43,347
Financing I know this stuff is,

3160
01:14:43,347 --> 01:14:44,382
you know, molasses uh, is is

3161
01:14:44,382 --> 01:14:44,581
about the same pace. Pretty

3162
01:14:44,581 --> 01:14:45,750
much.

3163
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:45,917
So in the background. It

3164
01:14:45,917 --> 01:14:47,718
s

3165
01:14:47,718 --> 01:14:48,386
definitely not molasses. No,

3166
01:14:48,386 --> 01:14:49,654
no.

3167
01:14:49,654 --> 01:14:51,789
In the background is not. But

3168
01:14:51,789 --> 01:14:52,857
as far as. Yeah, from start to

3169
01:14:52,857 --> 01:14:53,857
finish, it just seems like it

3170
01:14:53,857 --> 01:14:54,625
takes a long time. Okay. Thank

3171
01:14:54,625 --> 01:14:56,625
you very much.

3172
01:15:00,297 --> 01:15:02,990
For a warm molasses. Any others?

3173
01:15:02,990 --> 01:15:02,278
All right. Thank you. Yes.

3174
01:15:02,278 --> 01:15:02,967
You

3175
01:15:02,967 --> 01:15:05,967
re probably here for the

3176
01:15:06,136 --> 01:15:08,439
next one, right? I am the 2027

3177
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,842
rate and fee proposal. Yes. Oh,

3178
01:15:10,842 --> 01:15:11,775
and you got a Scott joining you

3179
01:15:11,775 --> 01:15:12,476
as well?

3180
01:15:12,476 --> 01:15:14,476
Yes.

3181
01:15:14,679 --> 01:15:16,514
Thank you. Scott.

3182
01:15:16,514 --> 01:15:17,882
Yes. So this if you want to

3183
01:15:17,882 --> 01:15:19,750
introduce the item or should I

3184
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:21,452
just dive in.

3185
01:15:21,452 --> 01:15:21,686
I never want to introduce rates

3186
01:15:21,686 --> 01:15:23,686
but I

3187
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:27,325
m going to, um I will say

3188
01:15:27,325 --> 01:15:29,594
that as we go through the

3189
01:15:29,594 --> 01:15:31,629
presentation tonight, uh, I

3190
01:15:31,629 --> 01:15:32,864
asked staff to kind of do the

3191
01:15:32,864 --> 01:15:33,430
calculus like we

3192
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:35,332
ve been doing

3193
01:15:35,332 --> 01:15:37,534
with our budget when it comes

3194
01:15:37,534 --> 01:15:38,903
to years where spending can be

3195
01:15:38,903 --> 01:15:40,710
a little tight or we have to

3196
01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:42,674
raise rates a little bit more

3197
01:15:42,674 --> 01:15:44,308
than anticipated, we have to

3198
01:15:44,308 --> 01:15:44,509
ask ourselves, what if we don

3199
01:15:44,509 --> 01:15:45,943
t

3200
01:15:45,943 --> 01:15:46,110
do things right? So what if we

3201
01:15:46,110 --> 01:15:47,378
don

3202
01:15:47,378 --> 01:15:47,545
t raise rates? Or if we

3203
01:15:47,545 --> 01:15:49,380
don

3204
01:15:49,380 --> 01:15:50,882
t raise them at the

3205
01:15:50,882 --> 01:15:53,384
suggested rate, what do we lose

3206
01:15:53,384 --> 01:15:54,819
as a city? And I will say that

3207
01:15:54,819 --> 01:15:56,320
both the finance director, our

3208
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,320
utilities director and

3209
01:15:58,623 --> 01:16:00,825
everybody in between has done a

3210
01:16:00,825 --> 01:16:01,292
lot of legwork to come up with

3211
01:16:01,292 --> 01:16:01,859
the number that

3212
01:16:01,859 --> 01:16:03,600
s presented,

3213
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,300
the numbers that are presented

3214
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:08,500
to you tonight. Um, and really

3215
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:08,800
do understand that if we don

3216
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:09,567
t

3217
01:16:09,567 --> 01:16:10,868
have what

3218
01:16:10,868 --> 01:16:13,204
s suggested in terms

3219
01:16:13,204 --> 01:16:15,406
of the rate increases and the

3220
01:16:15,406 --> 01:16:16,807
increases to revenue, we will

3221
01:16:16,807 --> 01:16:18,760
suffer a bit in some of the

3222
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:19,344
long term maintenance and

3223
01:16:19,344 --> 01:16:20,645
operations of our water

3224
01:16:20,645 --> 01:16:20,945
utilities. So, uh, what

3225
01:16:20,945 --> 01:16:21,980
s

3226
01:16:21,980 --> 01:16:23,849
presented to you tonight, I

3227
01:16:23,849 --> 01:16:25,149
think is absolutely fair and

3228
01:16:25,149 --> 01:16:26,284
reasonable. Staff has done a

3229
01:16:26,284 --> 01:16:26,517
really good job of making sure

3230
01:16:26,517 --> 01:16:27,452
that we

3231
01:16:27,452 --> 01:16:28,687
re doing what we can

3232
01:16:28,687 --> 01:16:30,880
for our residents during this

3233
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,880
time. And I

3234
01:16:32,456 --> 01:16:34,125
m very proud of the

3235
01:16:34,125 --> 01:16:35,560
presentation that will be given

3236
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,961
to you by our finance director

3237
01:16:36,961 --> 01:16:38,129
and utilities director. And now

3238
01:16:38,129 --> 01:16:39,630
I will turn it back over.

3239
01:16:39,630 --> 01:16:41,333
Thank you. Michael.

3240
01:16:41,333 --> 01:16:43,201
So this presentation includes

3241
01:16:43,201 --> 01:16:43,635
both impact fees and utility

3242
01:16:43,635 --> 01:16:44,336
rates. So there

3243
01:16:44,336 --> 01:16:44,869
s a lot going

3244
01:16:44,869 --> 01:16:45,804
on in here. It

3245
01:16:45,804 --> 01:16:46,638
s a pretty dense

3246
01:16:46,638 --> 01:16:47,710
presentation. So I

3247
01:16:47,710 --> 01:16:48,273
m going to

3248
01:16:48,273 --> 01:16:49,507
pause periodically. Just make

3249
01:16:49,507 --> 01:16:51,676
sure that questions are

3250
01:16:51,676 --> 01:16:53,712
answered and all of that. So um

3251
01:16:53,712 --> 01:16:56,147
again this is looking at our

3252
01:16:56,147 --> 01:16:57,782
2027 proposed rates and fees.

3253
01:16:57,782 --> 01:16:58,884
Um, in anticipation of a fee

3254
01:16:58,884 --> 01:16:59,160
resolution. And actually I

3255
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,850
ll

3256
01:17:00,850 --> 01:17:00,218
note the date on here. Um, it

3257
01:17:00,218 --> 01:17:01,386
s

3258
01:17:01,386 --> 01:17:01,587
not OCTOBER 13th. It

3259
01:17:01,587 --> 01:17:03,187
ll

3260
01:17:03,187 --> 01:17:03,355
actually be OCTOBER 20th when

3261
01:17:03,355 --> 01:17:04,422
you

3262
01:17:04,422 --> 01:17:05,557
ll see the fee resolution

3263
01:17:05,557 --> 01:17:07,893
along with the rest of the

3264
01:17:07,893 --> 01:17:09,627
budget presentation. So, um,

3265
01:17:09,627 --> 01:17:10,610
our goal tonight is to share

3266
01:17:10,610 --> 01:17:10,728
with you what we

3267
01:17:10,728 --> 01:17:12,960
re proposing,

3268
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:13,932
what our rate studies have told

3269
01:17:13,932 --> 01:17:16,340
us, and then get your feedback

3270
01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:17,680
on that. So if there are any

3271
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:18,737
adjustments to be made, we can

3272
01:17:18,737 --> 01:17:21,737
do that before that. OCTOBER

3273
01:17:21,839 --> 01:17:22,700
20th. Um, discussion. So first

3274
01:17:22,700 --> 01:17:22,875
we

3275
01:17:22,875 --> 01:17:24,108
re going to talk about

3276
01:17:24,108 --> 01:17:24,376
impact fees. And with each of

3277
01:17:24,376 --> 01:17:25,430
these I

3278
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:26,478
m going to talk about

3279
01:17:26,478 --> 01:17:27,778
what is our philosophy, our

3280
01:17:27,778 --> 01:17:30,781
approach to it. And then what

3281
01:17:30,781 --> 01:17:32,584
are we proposing for the fees.

3282
01:17:32,584 --> 01:17:33,685
So impact fees and a lot of

3283
01:17:33,685 --> 01:17:35,487
information on this slide. But

3284
01:17:35,487 --> 01:17:36,888
impact fees are fees that we

3285
01:17:36,888 --> 01:17:38,220
charge on new developments. So

3286
01:17:38,220 --> 01:17:40,920
they are only charged at the

3287
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:40,258
time of permit issuance. When

3288
01:17:40,258 --> 01:17:41,226
we

3289
01:17:41,226 --> 01:17:42,294
re building a new home or

3290
01:17:42,294 --> 01:17:43,561
developers building a new home

3291
01:17:43,561 --> 01:17:43,762
or building a new business,

3292
01:17:43,762 --> 01:17:44,930
that

3293
01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:47,332
s when those get charged.

3294
01:17:47,332 --> 01:17:49,680
And the purpose of an impact

3295
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:50,602
fee is to allow the city to

3296
01:17:50,602 --> 01:17:51,937
expand services so that we can

3297
01:17:51,937 --> 01:17:54,472
keep providing the same level

3298
01:17:54,472 --> 01:17:55,440
of services as more residents

3299
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:57,242
move here, and as more

3300
01:17:57,242 --> 01:17:58,577
businesses exist here. So if

3301
01:17:58,577 --> 01:17:59,878
you add, you know, a thousand

3302
01:17:59,878 --> 01:18:01,613
residents, we might need some

3303
01:18:01,613 --> 01:18:03,215
capital investment to continue

3304
01:18:03,215 --> 01:18:04,650
providing services at the same

3305
01:18:04,650 --> 01:18:06,485
level to those new thousand as

3306
01:18:06,485 --> 01:18:07,852
we did to the other 50,000 that

3307
01:18:07,852 --> 01:18:10,289
are here. So that is what

3308
01:18:10,289 --> 01:18:10,922
impact fees are for. And, um, a

3309
01:18:10,922 --> 01:18:12,390
couple of important

3310
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:13,491
distinctions on impact fees.

3311
01:18:13,491 --> 01:18:15,600
They can only be used on

3312
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,128
projects that expand services.

3313
01:18:17,128 --> 01:18:18,663
So adding a new road, adding

3314
01:18:18,663 --> 01:18:20,265
new square footage, things like

3315
01:18:20,265 --> 01:18:21,500
that. They cannot be used for

3316
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:22,634
staff. They cannot be used for

3317
01:18:22,634 --> 01:18:22,801
repairs and maintenance. We

3318
01:18:22,801 --> 01:18:23,836
can

3319
01:18:23,836 --> 01:18:25,837
t use them to replace

3320
01:18:25,837 --> 01:18:26,905
existing assets or fix existing

3321
01:18:26,905 --> 01:18:29,140
assets. So they really are

3322
01:18:29,140 --> 01:18:30,843
truly used for expansion. A

3323
01:18:30,843 --> 01:18:32,678
great example for our use of

3324
01:18:32,678 --> 01:18:34,120
impact fees is when we did the

3325
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,682
widening of Bridge Street. That

3326
01:18:36,682 --> 01:18:38,830
was adding capacity there, or

3327
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:39,351
the water treatment plant that

3328
01:18:39,351 --> 01:18:41,200
many of you saw today, that was

3329
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:42,220
adding capacity. Those are the

3330
01:18:42,220 --> 01:18:44,690
kind of projects that impact

3331
01:18:44,690 --> 01:18:46,559
fees, help fund. Um, for our

3332
01:18:46,559 --> 01:18:48,127
rate setting methodology, we

3333
01:18:48,127 --> 01:18:49,595
have to make sure that our fees

3334
01:18:49,595 --> 01:18:51,730
are tied directly to.

3335
01:18:51,730 --> 01:18:51,896
And real quick. Sure. Mayor

3336
01:18:51,896 --> 01:18:52,364
Pro.

3337
01:18:52,364 --> 01:18:53,733
Tem.

3338
01:18:53,733 --> 01:18:55,330
Since you mentioned the water

3339
01:18:55,330 --> 01:18:55,534
treatment plant as part of

3340
01:18:55,534 --> 01:18:56,669
that, that

3341
01:18:56,669 --> 01:18:57,869
s funding the

3342
01:18:57,869 --> 01:19:00,606
portion of the water treatment

3343
01:19:00,606 --> 01:19:02,875
plant that is expansion. But

3344
01:19:02,875 --> 01:19:04,743
the the direct rates themselves

3345
01:19:04,743 --> 01:19:06,110
paid by the existing residents,

3346
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:07,612
pay the other part of it, which

3347
01:19:07,612 --> 01:19:09,612
is replacement, correct?

3348
01:19:09,615 --> 01:19:11,490
Okay. Just because the plant

3349
01:19:11,490 --> 01:19:11,884
doubled the capacity from the

3350
01:19:11,884 --> 01:19:12,551
old plant, that

3351
01:19:12,551 --> 01:19:12,718
s expansion.

3352
01:19:12,718 --> 01:19:14,153
To.

3353
01:19:14,153 --> 01:19:15,388
That, which is expansion gets

3354
01:19:15,388 --> 01:19:16,221
paid by the impact fees.

3355
01:19:16,221 --> 01:19:16,588
Exactly. Okay. That

3356
01:19:16,588 --> 01:19:18,588
s correct.

3357
01:19:19,825 --> 01:19:21,827
Thanks for clarifying. Proceed.

3358
01:19:21,827 --> 01:19:24,196
So our our fees, in order to

3359
01:19:24,196 --> 01:19:26,264
make sure that they are, um,

3360
01:19:26,264 --> 01:19:28,300
directly attributed to the cost

3361
01:19:28,300 --> 01:19:30,435
of of that expansion, we work

3362
01:19:30,435 --> 01:19:31,570
with rate consultants to, to

3363
01:19:31,570 --> 01:19:33,772
set those fees. And we do that

3364
01:19:33,772 --> 01:19:35,741
not every year. Um, we do about

3365
01:19:35,741 --> 01:19:36,442
every 5 to 10 years more often

3366
01:19:36,442 --> 01:19:36,642
if we feel like that

3367
01:19:36,642 --> 01:19:38,477
s

3368
01:19:38,477 --> 01:19:39,845
necessary, if we feel like our

3369
01:19:39,845 --> 01:19:41,313
our capital improvement plan is

3370
01:19:41,313 --> 01:19:42,881
changed significantly, we might

3371
01:19:42,881 --> 01:19:44,717
do it more often. But generally

3372
01:19:44,717 --> 01:19:47,286
every 5 to 10 years is is

3373
01:19:47,286 --> 01:19:49,188
sufficient. Um, we do index

3374
01:19:49,188 --> 01:19:50,322
most of our fees to inflation.

3375
01:19:50,322 --> 01:19:52,591
That means that on those

3376
01:19:52,591 --> 01:19:53,925
in-between years, as the cost

3377
01:19:53,925 --> 01:19:55,227
of construction goes up, we

3378
01:19:55,227 --> 01:19:56,228
increase the cost of those fees

3379
01:19:56,228 --> 01:19:56,395
by inflation so that we don

3380
01:19:56,395 --> 01:19:58,297
t

3381
01:19:58,297 --> 01:19:58,931
get too far out of sync with

3382
01:19:58,931 --> 01:19:59,598
the costs that we

3383
01:19:59,598 --> 01:20:01,598
re trying to

3384
01:20:02,234 --> 01:20:02,468
recover with these fees. Um,

3385
01:20:02,468 --> 01:20:04,169
when we

3386
01:20:04,169 --> 01:20:06,138
re doing that, um, that

3387
01:20:06,138 --> 01:20:06,772
inflationary indexing, it also

3388
01:20:06,772 --> 01:20:07,840
keeps us, let

3389
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,909
s say it does go

3390
01:20:09,909 --> 01:20:10,809
five years between, um, fee

3391
01:20:10,809 --> 01:20:11,343
studies. If we didn

3392
01:20:11,343 --> 01:20:12,678
t do the

3393
01:20:12,678 --> 01:20:13,979
indexing with inflation, we

3394
01:20:13,979 --> 01:20:14,246
would see a much bigger jump.

3395
01:20:14,246 --> 01:20:15,114
And that

3396
01:20:15,114 --> 01:20:17,830
s what we also want to

3397
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:17,450
avoid is, is a rate spike

3398
01:20:17,450 --> 01:20:18,184
because we

3399
01:20:18,184 --> 01:20:20,419
ve left the fees

3400
01:20:20,419 --> 01:20:22,121
stagnant for too long. Um, the

3401
01:20:22,121 --> 01:20:23,589
other consideration here is

3402
01:20:23,589 --> 01:20:24,590
that impact fees, especially on

3403
01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:25,491
the residential side, we

3404
01:20:25,491 --> 01:20:26,892
recognize that they are

3405
01:20:26,892 --> 01:20:28,727
typically passed along in the

3406
01:20:28,727 --> 01:20:28,894
cost of a home. The developers

3407
01:20:28,894 --> 01:20:30,229
don

3408
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:31,463
t usually absorb these.

3409
01:20:31,463 --> 01:20:32,331
They will pass them along in

3410
01:20:32,331 --> 01:20:33,132
the home prices. And so

3411
01:20:33,132 --> 01:20:34,166
affordability is a

3412
01:20:34,166 --> 01:20:35,670
consideration. We definitely

3413
01:20:35,670 --> 01:20:36,635
consider that when we were

3414
01:20:36,635 --> 01:20:40,235
looking at our fees this year

3415
01:20:40,372 --> 01:20:41,374
as well. Um, our philosophy on

3416
01:20:41,374 --> 01:20:42,241
impact fees is a little

3417
01:20:42,241 --> 01:20:42,375
different depending on if it

3418
01:20:42,375 --> 01:20:44,900
s

3419
01:20:44,900 --> 01:20:46,900
residential or non-residential.

3420
01:20:46,179 --> 01:20:47,112
But, um, the city has always

3421
01:20:47,112 --> 01:20:48,781
taken the approach of

3422
01:20:48,781 --> 01:20:50,850
development, pays its own way.

3423
01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:51,751
But we we interpret that a

3424
01:20:51,751 --> 01:20:52,318
little differently depending on

3425
01:20:52,318 --> 01:20:52,718
the kind of fee we

3426
01:20:52,718 --> 01:20:54,718
re talking

3427
01:20:55,721 --> 01:20:57,230
about. So with residential, um,

3428
01:20:57,230 --> 01:20:58,290
development pays its own way

3429
01:20:58,290 --> 01:20:59,758
through those impact fees. So

3430
01:20:59,758 --> 01:21:00,826
if you add a home, the people

3431
01:21:00,826 --> 01:21:02,528
who live in that home will use

3432
01:21:02,528 --> 01:21:03,896
services. The fees that are

3433
01:21:03,896 --> 01:21:05,364
paid as part of that home being

3434
01:21:05,364 --> 01:21:07,500
built help us provide those

3435
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:09,101
services in the future for

3436
01:21:09,101 --> 01:21:10,369
non-residential. So businesses,

3437
01:21:10,369 --> 01:21:11,504
restaurants, things like that,

3438
01:21:11,504 --> 01:21:11,938
that are being added, they

3439
01:21:11,938 --> 01:21:13,720
re

3440
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:14,240
bringing jobs, they

3441
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:15,341
re bringing

3442
01:21:15,341 --> 01:21:15,608
sales tax revenue. So they

3443
01:21:15,608 --> 01:21:15,808
re

3444
01:21:15,808 --> 01:21:16,476
they

3445
01:21:16,476 --> 01:21:17,743
re paying their own way

3446
01:21:17,743 --> 01:21:19,979
through tax creation and job

3447
01:21:19,979 --> 01:21:21,847
creation. So our fees related

3448
01:21:21,847 --> 01:21:23,349
to non-residential. So again,

3449
01:21:23,349 --> 01:21:24,984
business, new businesses being

3450
01:21:24,984 --> 01:21:25,951
built are set to incentivize

3451
01:21:25,951 --> 01:21:27,386
development. They are well

3452
01:21:27,386 --> 01:21:29,422
below what would be considered

3453
01:21:29,422 --> 01:21:29,923
cost recovery. But that also

3454
01:21:29,923 --> 01:21:30,756
means that it

3455
01:21:30,756 --> 01:21:32,325
s cheaper for a

3456
01:21:32,325 --> 01:21:33,392
business to come and build a

3457
01:21:33,392 --> 01:21:35,161
building here. Than it would be

3458
01:21:35,161 --> 01:21:36,829
maybe somewhere else. And then

3459
01:21:36,829 --> 01:21:38,898
on the utility side, our

3460
01:21:38,898 --> 01:21:40,330
utility funds are treated

3461
01:21:40,330 --> 01:21:41,434
almost like a standalone

3462
01:21:41,434 --> 01:21:43,269
business. They their fees must

3463
01:21:43,269 --> 01:21:44,970
fund their operations. The

3464
01:21:44,970 --> 01:21:47,107
combination of both impact fees

3465
01:21:47,107 --> 01:21:48,340
and user rates. We are very

3466
01:21:48,340 --> 01:21:49,376
limited on how we and what

3467
01:21:49,376 --> 01:21:50,110
other money we can get into

3468
01:21:50,110 --> 01:21:51,844
those funds. We can

3469
01:21:51,844 --> 01:21:52,945
t transfer

3470
01:21:52,945 --> 01:21:54,347
tax money without some

3471
01:21:54,347 --> 01:21:55,749
limitations based on Tabor. So

3472
01:21:55,749 --> 01:21:56,916
because of that, cost recovery

3473
01:21:56,916 --> 01:21:59,916
is very, very important in

3474
01:22:01,354 --> 01:22:03,322
those utility funds. So this

3475
01:22:03,322 --> 01:22:04,724
slide here is summarizing our

3476
01:22:04,724 --> 01:22:06,920
methodology for the different

3477
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:06,258
kinds of fees. But what you

3478
01:22:06,258 --> 01:22:07,994
ll

3479
01:22:07,994 --> 01:22:08,127
see here is in general we

3480
01:22:08,127 --> 01:22:08,894
re

3481
01:22:08,894 --> 01:22:09,963
doing right studies for

3482
01:22:09,963 --> 01:22:10,964
everything. We always want to

3483
01:22:10,964 --> 01:22:12,632
have a rate study when it comes

3484
01:22:12,632 --> 01:22:15,569
to impact fees. And we are

3485
01:22:15,569 --> 01:22:17,270
also, um affecting that

3486
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:17,537
inflationary increase every

3487
01:22:17,537 --> 01:22:18,438
year. We

3488
01:22:18,438 --> 01:22:19,606
re recommending that

3489
01:22:19,606 --> 01:22:19,839
each year, the one I

3490
01:22:19,839 --> 01:22:20,106
ll point

3491
01:22:20,106 --> 01:22:20,607
out that

3492
01:22:20,607 --> 01:22:21,875
s different is

3493
01:22:21,875 --> 01:22:23,476
wastewater. That is a pass

3494
01:22:23,476 --> 01:22:24,778
through. And that is because

3495
01:22:24,778 --> 01:22:26,713
our wastewater impact fees are

3496
01:22:26,713 --> 01:22:27,947
set by the processors. So Metro

3497
01:22:27,947 --> 01:22:29,582
wastewater, Metro Water

3498
01:22:29,582 --> 01:22:31,840
Recovery or the town of Lake

3499
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:31,851
Bowie, those are not revenue to

3500
01:22:31,851 --> 01:22:33,530
the city. We actually just

3501
01:22:33,530 --> 01:22:33,353
collect it and give it to them.

3502
01:22:33,353 --> 01:22:34,588
So we don

3503
01:22:34,588 --> 01:22:34,754
t set those and we

3504
01:22:34,754 --> 01:22:35,821
don

3505
01:22:35,821 --> 01:22:37,924
t use that money for our

3506
01:22:37,924 --> 01:22:39,525
own expansion. They use it for

3507
01:22:39,525 --> 01:22:40,560
theirs. So those are passed

3508
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:40,894
through. But everything else on

3509
01:22:40,894 --> 01:22:42,894
here, you

3510
01:22:43,463 --> 01:22:43,897
ll see, is, um, is a

3511
01:22:43,897 --> 01:22:44,430
study that we

3512
01:22:44,430 --> 01:22:44,664
re doing. We

3513
01:22:44,664 --> 01:22:45,565
re

3514
01:22:45,565 --> 01:22:45,698
hiring a consultant. We

3515
01:22:45,698 --> 01:22:46,933
re

3516
01:22:46,933 --> 01:22:48,435
doing that periodically. And I

3517
01:22:48,435 --> 01:22:49,369
did include on here when we did

3518
01:22:49,369 --> 01:22:52,369
our last studies, which were

3519
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:53,206
all fairly recently. So let

3520
01:22:53,206 --> 01:22:54,374
s

3521
01:22:54,374 --> 01:22:54,507
talk about inflation, since

3522
01:22:54,507 --> 01:22:55,308
I

3523
01:22:55,308 --> 01:22:56,243
ve mentioned that a number of

3524
01:22:56,243 --> 01:22:58,411
times. And as you saw in that

3525
01:22:58,411 --> 01:22:59,879
last slide, most of our fees

3526
01:22:59,879 --> 01:23:01,281
are changing or being

3527
01:23:01,281 --> 01:23:03,516
recommended to change by

3528
01:23:03,516 --> 01:23:04,885
inflation. So the cities using

3529
01:23:04,885 --> 01:23:05,986
the Denver, Aurora Lakewood

3530
01:23:05,986 --> 01:23:06,252
inflationary index, that

3531
01:23:06,252 --> 01:23:07,387
s what

3532
01:23:07,387 --> 01:23:07,954
we use as our index for

3533
01:23:07,954 --> 01:23:09,954
inflation. That

3534
01:23:11,525 --> 01:23:13,893
s as of JULY

3535
01:23:13,893 --> 01:23:15,295
2026 available from the Bureau

3536
01:23:15,295 --> 01:23:15,895
of Labor Statistics. We like

3537
01:23:15,895 --> 01:23:16,430
that one because it

3538
01:23:16,430 --> 01:23:18,298
s easily

3539
01:23:18,298 --> 01:23:18,498
verifiable. Um, the number

3540
01:23:18,498 --> 01:23:19,699
that

3541
01:23:19,699 --> 01:23:21,301
s out there, put out by an

3542
01:23:21,301 --> 01:23:23,470
organization that does this as

3543
01:23:23,470 --> 01:23:24,771
a living. So, um, the Denver,

3544
01:23:24,771 --> 01:23:26,771
Aurora, Lakewood inflationary

3545
01:23:27,708 --> 01:23:27,841
index for JULY was 3.9%. That

3546
01:23:27,841 --> 01:23:29,900
s

3547
01:23:29,900 --> 01:23:29,176
a little bit high, higher than

3548
01:23:29,176 --> 01:23:30,477
we

3549
01:23:30,477 --> 01:23:31,511
d like to see it and higher

3550
01:23:31,511 --> 01:23:33,911
than the national average,

3551
01:23:35,820 --> 01:23:36,182
which was 3.4%. So, you know,

3552
01:23:36,182 --> 01:23:38,217
we talked about should we do

3553
01:23:38,217 --> 01:23:40,186
3.9%. That is what our costs

3554
01:23:40,186 --> 01:23:42,589
are going up by in general. Um,

3555
01:23:42,589 --> 01:23:43,923
that said, 3.9% does increase

3556
01:23:43,923 --> 01:23:45,158
our impact fees and would

3557
01:23:45,158 --> 01:23:47,158
therefore increase housing

3558
01:23:48,610 --> 01:23:49,896
costs. So we looked at instead

3559
01:23:49,896 --> 01:23:51,131
doing 2.5%, which is more of a

3560
01:23:51,131 --> 01:23:51,297
target inflation number that

3561
01:23:51,297 --> 01:23:52,866
we

3562
01:23:52,866 --> 01:23:54,201
d like to see it at. And we

3563
01:23:54,201 --> 01:23:57,700
compared what those would be.

3564
01:23:57,700 --> 01:24:00,673
And so if we were to do the

3565
01:24:00,673 --> 01:24:03,730
2.5%, um, instead of 3.9, that

3566
01:24:03,743 --> 01:24:05,450
would save about $459 on a

3567
01:24:05,450 --> 01:24:06,246
single family residential

3568
01:24:06,246 --> 01:24:08,215
permit. So we felt like that

3569
01:24:08,215 --> 01:24:10,317
was a good thing to do to help

3570
01:24:10,317 --> 01:24:11,651
keep the fees from having too

3571
01:24:11,651 --> 01:24:13,520
large of an impact on housing

3572
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,556
prices. It does have an impact

3573
01:24:15,556 --> 01:24:16,657
to the city. Um, in terms of

3574
01:24:16,657 --> 01:24:18,240
general fees, things like

3575
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:19,692
transportation and general

3576
01:24:19,692 --> 01:24:21,594
services impact fees, it would

3577
01:24:21,594 --> 01:24:23,129
be about a $51,000 impact,

3578
01:24:23,129 --> 01:24:24,731
assuming development levels

3579
01:24:24,731 --> 01:24:25,332
remain similar to this year on

3580
01:24:25,332 --> 01:24:27,101
the water fund, it

3581
01:24:27,101 --> 01:24:28,902
s a $210,000

3582
01:24:28,902 --> 01:24:30,838
impact. So those are real

3583
01:24:30,838 --> 01:24:32,839
impacts to consider because our

3584
01:24:32,839 --> 01:24:34,674
cost of, say, buying water do

3585
01:24:34,674 --> 01:24:35,942
not go down. They do go up and

3586
01:24:35,942 --> 01:24:38,645
go up generally by more than

3587
01:24:38,645 --> 01:24:39,913
inflation. Um, that said, um,

3588
01:24:39,913 --> 01:24:41,114
we have to balance that

3589
01:24:41,114 --> 01:24:41,949
affordability versus cost

3590
01:24:41,949 --> 01:24:42,316
recovery when we

3591
01:24:42,316 --> 01:24:44,316
re talking

3592
01:24:44,518 --> 01:24:47,518
about housing impact fees on

3593
01:24:47,821 --> 01:24:49,656
housing. So again, another

3594
01:24:49,656 --> 01:24:50,658
slide with a lot of information

3595
01:24:50,658 --> 01:24:52,126
is trying to get all of our

3596
01:24:52,126 --> 01:24:53,727
general fees on here in one

3597
01:24:53,727 --> 01:24:53,860
place. But um, what you

3598
01:24:53,860 --> 01:24:55,395
re

3599
01:24:55,395 --> 01:24:56,797
seeing here is each of our fees

3600
01:24:56,797 --> 01:24:58,565
and then how much in general we

3601
01:24:58,565 --> 01:25:00,834
bring in per year. Um, off to

3602
01:25:00,834 --> 01:25:02,903
the left. Um, these do vary

3603
01:25:02,903 --> 01:25:04,271
quite a lot by, um, development

3604
01:25:04,271 --> 01:25:05,873
levels. And we do see these go

3605
01:25:05,873 --> 01:25:07,274
up and down depending on what

3606
01:25:07,274 --> 01:25:08,942
development is looking like.

3607
01:25:08,942 --> 01:25:10,878
But, um, just to go through

3608
01:25:10,878 --> 01:25:12,346
these at a high level, parks

3609
01:25:12,346 --> 01:25:13,714
development fees or sorry,

3610
01:25:13,714 --> 01:25:13,914
parks impact fees, they

3611
01:25:13,914 --> 01:25:15,549
re

3612
01:25:15,549 --> 01:25:17,818
charged on residential only.

3613
01:25:17,818 --> 01:25:19,152
Um, they are generally rebated

3614
01:25:19,152 --> 01:25:20,320
back to developers to fund

3615
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:21,322
parks that they build as part

3616
01:25:21,322 --> 01:25:21,488
of that neighborhood. So we

3617
01:25:21,488 --> 01:25:22,623
don

3618
01:25:22,623 --> 01:25:24,525
t usually keep those for

3619
01:25:24,525 --> 01:25:25,426
our own expansions of the rec

3620
01:25:25,426 --> 01:25:26,593
center or things like that.

3621
01:25:26,593 --> 01:25:28,528
Those are funded with other,

3622
01:25:28,528 --> 01:25:30,630
other sources, but they go back

3623
01:25:30,630 --> 01:25:31,399
to the developers. The impact

3624
01:25:31,399 --> 01:25:32,633
fees go back to developers,

3625
01:25:32,633 --> 01:25:33,901
typically. Um, and our

3626
01:25:33,901 --> 01:25:36,837
recommendation on that one for

3627
01:25:36,837 --> 01:25:38,305
2027 is just inflation.

3628
01:25:38,305 --> 01:25:40,374
Transportation impact fees are

3629
01:25:40,374 --> 01:25:40,741
charged on all new development,

3630
01:25:40,741 --> 01:25:42,209
whether it

3631
01:25:42,209 --> 01:25:44,450
s residential or

3632
01:25:44,450 --> 01:25:45,679
non-residential. Um, again,

3633
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:46,580
most recently we use those

3634
01:25:46,580 --> 01:25:47,681
funds for the Bridge Street

3635
01:25:47,681 --> 01:25:48,582
widening project. So it was

3636
01:25:48,582 --> 01:25:50,485
really helpful to make that

3637
01:25:50,485 --> 01:25:52,753
project happen. Um, brings in

3638
01:25:52,753 --> 01:25:54,254
roughly $1.8 million a year.

3639
01:25:54,254 --> 01:25:56,254
And again recommending

3640
01:25:56,590 --> 01:25:57,825
inflationary adjustment. Only

3641
01:25:57,825 --> 01:25:58,825
general Services is a newer

3642
01:25:58,825 --> 01:26:00,928
fee. We just started charging

3643
01:26:00,928 --> 01:26:03,630
that this year or sorry, last

3644
01:26:03,630 --> 01:26:04,832
year and um, charged on

3645
01:26:04,832 --> 01:26:05,660
residential development only.

3646
01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:06,300
Um, it

3647
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:07,801
s used to fund

3648
01:26:07,801 --> 01:26:08,200
expansion. Needed that. It

3649
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:08,902
s

3650
01:26:08,902 --> 01:26:10,700
not covered in these other

3651
01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:12,306
areas. So this could be things

3652
01:26:12,306 --> 01:26:13,507
like the new police building

3653
01:26:13,507 --> 01:26:15,342
and the outfitting needed for

3654
01:26:15,342 --> 01:26:15,476
that location that could that

3655
01:26:15,476 --> 01:26:16,544
s

3656
01:26:16,544 --> 01:26:19,313
what this funding could be used

3657
01:26:19,313 --> 01:26:20,414
for. Um, again, looking at just

3658
01:26:20,414 --> 01:26:21,816
an inflationary adjustment

3659
01:26:21,816 --> 01:26:22,917
here, these were all looked at

3660
01:26:22,917 --> 01:26:23,150
in recent years. So we

3661
01:26:23,150 --> 01:26:25,150
re not

3662
01:26:25,754 --> 01:26:27,789
looking at significant changes.

3663
01:26:27,789 --> 01:26:28,923
Um, water and water resources

3664
01:26:28,923 --> 01:26:30,792
have a separate study done on

3665
01:26:30,792 --> 01:26:32,193
that one. Um charged on all new

3666
01:26:32,193 --> 01:26:33,560
development depends a lot on

3667
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,596
the kind of business that they

3668
01:26:35,596 --> 01:26:35,796
have and what kind of water use

3669
01:26:35,796 --> 01:26:37,431
they

3670
01:26:37,431 --> 01:26:39,434
re going to have. But used

3671
01:26:39,434 --> 01:26:41,435
to either purchase raw water or

3672
01:26:41,435 --> 01:26:42,469
expand our facilities, like the

3673
01:26:42,469 --> 01:26:44,572
water treatment plants, so that

3674
01:26:44,572 --> 01:26:46,400
we can treat more water. Um,

3675
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:47,708
again, looking at just an

3676
01:26:47,708 --> 01:26:49,510
inflationary adjustment is the

3677
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:50,611
recommendation this year. Um,

3678
01:26:50,611 --> 01:26:52,447
and the last one is storm

3679
01:26:52,447 --> 01:26:53,848
drainage. This one, um, did

3680
01:26:53,848 --> 01:26:55,582
have a rate study done just

3681
01:26:55,582 --> 01:26:57,982
recently. We implemented the

3682
01:26:58,552 --> 01:26:59,487
first part of it in 2026. Um,

3683
01:26:59,487 --> 01:27:01,255
again charged on all

3684
01:27:01,255 --> 01:27:03,655
development based heavily on

3685
01:27:03,658 --> 01:27:04,925
impervious area and used to

3686
01:27:04,925 --> 01:27:07,325
fund storm drainage outfalls

3687
01:27:07,528 --> 01:27:09,290
and infrastructure. So, um, on

3688
01:27:09,290 --> 01:27:10,531
this one, um, we are

3689
01:27:10,531 --> 01:27:11,432
recommending an increase on the

3690
01:27:11,432 --> 01:27:12,900
commercial side. I

3691
01:27:12,900 --> 01:27:14,368
m going to

3692
01:27:14,368 --> 01:27:15,970
defer this to talk a little bit

3693
01:27:15,970 --> 01:27:18,970
more about storm drainage and

3694
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,341
the needs in that fund.

3695
01:27:21,341 --> 01:27:23,545
Certainly. So, um, as Katrina

3696
01:27:23,545 --> 01:27:25,546
mentioned, we are proposing on

3697
01:27:25,546 --> 01:27:27,982
the commercial side, um, an

3698
01:27:27,982 --> 01:27:30,382
inflationary increase plus, um,

3699
01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:33,387
about $0.22 per square foot.

3700
01:27:33,387 --> 01:27:36,290
And this was a recommendation

3701
01:27:36,290 --> 01:27:37,659
of our consultant in the 25,

3702
01:27:37,659 --> 01:27:39,727
um, rate study for storm

3703
01:27:39,727 --> 01:27:41,162
drainage that we completed. Um,

3704
01:27:41,162 --> 01:27:42,730
we looked at impact fees and

3705
01:27:42,730 --> 01:27:44,650
rates during that. So this was

3706
01:27:44,650 --> 01:27:45,934
a recommendation out of the

3707
01:27:45,934 --> 01:27:46,133
impact fee, uh, side of things.

3708
01:27:46,133 --> 01:27:48,133
So I

3709
01:27:48,536 --> 01:27:51,238
m just going to use, um,

3710
01:27:51,238 --> 01:27:52,907
examples of our current impact

3711
01:27:52,907 --> 01:27:55,443
fees. So if you look at our

3712
01:27:55,443 --> 01:27:56,778
current impact fee for a single

3713
01:27:56,778 --> 01:27:59,178
family residential home, it

3714
01:27:59,347 --> 01:28:01,347
s

3715
01:28:04,852 --> 01:28:06,320
$5,488 per home. Um, and we use

3716
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,456
a method called equivalent

3717
01:28:08,456 --> 01:28:10,856
residential area. And that

3718
01:28:13,662 --> 01:28:14,963
number is 3164ft of

3719
01:28:14,963 --> 01:28:15,960
impervious. Um, and that

3720
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:17,960
s

3721
01:28:17,732 --> 01:28:18,867
basically the, the average, uh,

3722
01:28:18,867 --> 01:28:20,468
impervious area of a

3723
01:28:20,468 --> 01:28:21,803
residential home. So if you

3724
01:28:21,803 --> 01:28:24,272
take the impact fee and you

3725
01:28:24,272 --> 01:28:26,641
divide that by the Ecker, you

3726
01:28:26,641 --> 01:28:28,176
come up with a, a dollar figure

3727
01:28:28,176 --> 01:28:30,912
per square foot of impervious

3728
01:28:30,912 --> 01:28:33,715
area. And if you look at the

3729
01:28:33,715 --> 01:28:36,715
commercial impact fee, um, you

3730
01:28:36,785 --> 01:28:39,721
also have that per square foot,

3731
01:28:39,721 --> 01:28:39,921
um, charge for impervious. And

3732
01:28:39,921 --> 01:28:40,221
there

3733
01:28:40,221 --> 01:28:40,655
s, there

3734
01:28:40,655 --> 01:28:42,890
s a big

3735
01:28:42,890 --> 01:28:43,792
difference in them. So if we do

3736
01:28:43,792 --> 01:28:45,226
the math of the current impact

3737
01:28:45,226 --> 01:28:48,960
fees and look at residential,

3738
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,310
it comes out to $1.74 per

3739
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:52,166
square foot of impervious area.

3740
01:28:52,166 --> 01:28:52,534
And if you do that same math,

3741
01:28:52,534 --> 01:28:54,202
um, it

3742
01:28:54,202 --> 01:28:54,869
s a dollar three per

3743
01:28:54,869 --> 01:28:55,670
square foot. So there

3744
01:28:55,670 --> 01:28:57,670
s a, a

3745
01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:59,407
big difference between the, um,

3746
01:28:59,407 --> 01:29:00,842
the impact that a residential

3747
01:29:00,842 --> 01:29:02,143
home is paying versus the

3748
01:29:02,143 --> 01:29:04,413
impact of a commercial

3749
01:29:04,413 --> 01:29:06,281
development. And if you think

3750
01:29:06,281 --> 01:29:07,782
about them, the impervious

3751
01:29:07,782 --> 01:29:09,830
area, impervious areas,

3752
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:11,719
impervious area, it causes the

3753
01:29:11,719 --> 01:29:13,888
same amount of runoff. Um, so

3754
01:29:13,888 --> 01:29:15,957
therefore they should be

3755
01:29:15,957 --> 01:29:17,726
relatively similar to each

3756
01:29:17,726 --> 01:29:19,762
other. So our consultant looked

3757
01:29:19,762 --> 01:29:21,329
at that and said that, um, you

3758
01:29:21,329 --> 01:29:23,598
guys should have parity between

3759
01:29:23,598 --> 01:29:24,132
those two user classifications.

3760
01:29:24,132 --> 01:29:24,699
And that

3761
01:29:24,699 --> 01:29:25,567
s why we

3762
01:29:25,567 --> 01:29:27,567
re proposing

3763
01:29:27,569 --> 01:29:29,569
that additional 22 cent

3764
01:29:31,506 --> 01:29:33,700
increase on the commercial side.

3765
01:29:33,700 --> 01:29:34,442
So a little bit more background

3766
01:29:34,442 --> 01:29:36,245
as well. I think is important

3767
01:29:36,245 --> 01:29:37,445
for the storm drainage fund. So

3768
01:29:37,445 --> 01:29:39,881
we talked earlier in the

3769
01:29:39,881 --> 01:29:41,249
previous item about the water

3770
01:29:41,249 --> 01:29:43,218
and wastewater funds being

3771
01:29:43,218 --> 01:29:44,419
combined as a Tabor enterprise.

3772
01:29:44,419 --> 01:29:45,954
The storm drainage fund is not

3773
01:29:45,954 --> 01:29:47,389
part of that enterprise. So it

3774
01:29:47,389 --> 01:29:49,925
is not an enterprise for Tabor

3775
01:29:49,925 --> 01:29:50,225
purposes. So what that means is

3776
01:29:50,225 --> 01:29:51,126
we can

3777
01:29:51,126 --> 01:29:52,393
t borrow money to fund

3778
01:29:52,393 --> 01:29:52,894
projects and this without voter

3779
01:29:52,894 --> 01:29:53,328
approval. It

3780
01:29:53,328 --> 01:29:54,396
d be like

3781
01:29:54,396 --> 01:29:57,332
borrowing out of the general

3782
01:29:57,332 --> 01:29:58,667
fund. So, um, we also, um, I

3783
01:29:58,667 --> 01:29:59,868
guess the good news is we can

3784
01:29:59,868 --> 01:30:01,470
support it with funds from

3785
01:30:01,470 --> 01:30:03,505
other places. So, you know,

3786
01:30:03,505 --> 01:30:03,805
these funds, the storm fund.

3787
01:30:03,805 --> 01:30:04,720
And I don

3788
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:04,439
t think we

3789
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:06,308
re unique

3790
01:30:06,308 --> 01:30:07,910
in this aspect generally would

3791
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:09,411
not generate enough money to

3792
01:30:09,411 --> 01:30:10,780
build the outfalls and all the

3793
01:30:10,780 --> 01:30:10,412
work that we need. That

3794
01:30:10,412 --> 01:30:10,613
s

3795
01:30:10,613 --> 01:30:11,947
that

3796
01:30:11,947 --> 01:30:14,416
s, um, you know, a single

3797
01:30:14,416 --> 01:30:15,650
outfall can exceed $10 million.

3798
01:30:15,650 --> 01:30:17,853
This fund only brings in about

3799
01:30:17,853 --> 01:30:19,121
4 million. Um, but what we can

3800
01:30:19,121 --> 01:30:20,789
do is when we have projects

3801
01:30:20,789 --> 01:30:22,824
like Bridge Street or Sable or

3802
01:30:22,824 --> 01:30:24,593
the rec Plex that have a storm

3803
01:30:24,593 --> 01:30:25,794
drainage impact, we ask that

3804
01:30:25,794 --> 01:30:27,562
that project fund the storm

3805
01:30:27,562 --> 01:30:29,640
drainage portion and not ask

3806
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:30,399
the storm fund to fund it. We

3807
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:32,635
want the storm fund to fund the

3808
01:30:32,635 --> 01:30:33,501
more regional projects for

3809
01:30:33,501 --> 01:30:34,360
storm drainage that are

3810
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:34,170
necessary, that aren

3811
01:30:34,170 --> 01:30:34,570
t

3812
01:30:34,570 --> 01:30:35,360
necessarily aren

3813
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:36,372
t tied

3814
01:30:36,372 --> 01:30:36,571
directly to something else. So

3815
01:30:36,571 --> 01:30:37,907
that

3816
01:30:37,907 --> 01:30:39,975
s part of how we mitigate

3817
01:30:39,975 --> 01:30:41,944
the need that exceeds what is

3818
01:30:41,944 --> 01:30:43,245
able to be funded in this fund.

3819
01:30:43,245 --> 01:30:44,379
But I think the understanding

3820
01:30:44,379 --> 01:30:46,281
of the taper side of it, that

3821
01:30:46,281 --> 01:30:47,983
it is not a taper enterprise,

3822
01:30:47,983 --> 01:30:49,418
so therefore not constrained

3823
01:30:49,418 --> 01:30:50,719
the same way that the water and

3824
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:50,920
wastewater fund are, but also

3825
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:51,587
doesn

3826
01:30:51,587 --> 01:30:52,721
t have the benefit of

3827
01:30:52,721 --> 01:30:52,954
being able to borrow. So we

3828
01:30:52,954 --> 01:30:54,423
couldn

3829
01:30:54,423 --> 01:30:55,724
t issue debt to build an

3830
01:30:55,724 --> 01:30:58,560
outfall without going to the

3831
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,329
voters. Um, our project needs,

3832
01:31:00,329 --> 01:31:02,231
as I mentioned, do exceed our

3833
01:31:02,231 --> 01:31:02,397
funding in these funds. So when

3834
01:31:02,397 --> 01:31:03,165
we

3835
01:31:03,165 --> 01:31:04,266
re looking at these rates,

3836
01:31:04,266 --> 01:31:06,602
we consider the parity. And

3837
01:31:06,602 --> 01:31:07,736
then we also considered, um,

3838
01:31:07,736 --> 01:31:09,171
you know, comparability to

3839
01:31:09,171 --> 01:31:10,939
neighboring communities.

3840
01:31:10,939 --> 01:31:12,740
Yes. Um, Mayor Pro Tem had a

3841
01:31:12,740 --> 01:31:13,442
question for Scott.

3842
01:31:13,442 --> 01:31:14,343
No, actually, the question was

3843
01:31:14,343 --> 01:31:14,510
for before we got to Scott

3844
01:31:14,510 --> 01:31:15,278
s,

3845
01:31:15,278 --> 01:31:16,278
but I didn

3846
01:31:16,278 --> 01:31:18,313
t want to interrupt

3847
01:31:18,313 --> 01:31:20,816
him. So, uh, what is the

3848
01:31:20,816 --> 01:31:23,216
difference between the impact

3849
01:31:24,186 --> 01:31:27,186
fee for parks and the

3850
01:31:28,157 --> 01:31:29,758
dedication of land that we just

3851
01:31:29,758 --> 01:31:31,758
reduced recently?

3852
01:31:31,761 --> 01:31:33,563
Great question. So the

3853
01:31:33,563 --> 01:31:34,964
dedication would be usually

3854
01:31:34,964 --> 01:31:35,230
dedicating actual land, or if

3855
01:31:35,230 --> 01:31:35,664
they don

3856
01:31:35,664 --> 01:31:36,933
t have land to

3857
01:31:36,933 --> 01:31:38,600
dedicate, they can pay us for

3858
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,202
that. The impact fee is then to

3859
01:31:40,202 --> 01:31:40,469
develop and build a new park.

3860
01:31:40,469 --> 01:31:41,370
It doesn

3861
01:31:41,370 --> 01:31:43,138
t have to be a park in

3862
01:31:43,138 --> 01:31:44,440
that neighborhood. Um, you

3863
01:31:44,440 --> 01:31:46,410
know, in a lot of these

3864
01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:46,976
communities are building a park

3865
01:31:46,976 --> 01:31:47,243
as part of the neighborhood.

3866
01:31:47,243 --> 01:31:47,643
But let

3867
01:31:47,643 --> 01:31:47,977
s say they couldn

3868
01:31:47,977 --> 01:31:48,177
t or

3869
01:31:48,177 --> 01:31:48,511
didn

3870
01:31:48,511 --> 01:31:49,478
t weren

3871
01:31:49,478 --> 01:31:49,645
t able to didn

3872
01:31:49,645 --> 01:31:51,130
t

3873
01:31:51,130 --> 01:31:52,248
want that we were okay with

3874
01:31:52,248 --> 01:31:53,148
that. They could give us land

3875
01:31:53,148 --> 01:31:54,316
elsewhere to build. They could

3876
01:31:54,316 --> 01:31:55,317
give us money to buy land

3877
01:31:55,317 --> 01:31:55,651
elsewhere to build. That

3878
01:31:55,651 --> 01:31:57,420
s what

3879
01:31:57,420 --> 01:31:58,754
that dedication is. The impact

3880
01:31:58,754 --> 01:31:59,454
fee helps us actually build on

3881
01:31:59,454 --> 01:32:01,356
it.

3882
01:32:01,356 --> 01:32:02,358
Okay. So the land itself and

3883
01:32:02,358 --> 01:32:04,527
then the development of the

3884
01:32:04,527 --> 01:32:06,528
park is, is the distinction

3885
01:32:06,528 --> 01:32:08,230
between okay and I think we

3886
01:32:08,230 --> 01:32:09,465
ended up with a lot of little

3887
01:32:09,465 --> 01:32:11,767
pocket parks that are hard to

3888
01:32:11,767 --> 01:32:14,237
maintain. And manage and uh,

3889
01:32:14,237 --> 01:32:17,837
helping us put larger parks in,

3890
01:32:18,374 --> 01:32:20,176
in, um, residential areas as

3891
01:32:20,176 --> 01:32:21,770
opposed to on every block is a

3892
01:32:21,770 --> 01:32:22,277
good thing. But that

3893
01:32:22,277 --> 01:32:22,512
distinction was one I couldn

3894
01:32:22,512 --> 01:32:22,912
t

3895
01:32:22,912 --> 01:32:24,912
remember.

3896
01:32:25,748 --> 01:32:27,748
Thank you. Yes.

3897
01:32:30,286 --> 01:32:31,154
Okay, so any other questions on

3898
01:32:31,154 --> 01:32:32,555
on storm.

3899
01:32:32,555 --> 01:32:34,955
Before we move on?

3900
01:32:35,357 --> 01:32:36,926
Okay. Um, this next slide is

3901
01:32:36,926 --> 01:32:38,494
kind of summarizing the impact

3902
01:32:38,494 --> 01:32:40,329
fees for residential single

3903
01:32:40,329 --> 01:32:41,965
family. So um, this slide I

3904
01:32:41,965 --> 01:32:43,232
will note these two two numbers

3905
01:32:43,232 --> 01:32:46,136
here are highlighted. Those had

3906
01:32:46,136 --> 01:32:47,537
typos in your um attachment. It

3907
01:32:47,537 --> 01:32:48,537
did not affect the totals. The

3908
01:32:48,537 --> 01:32:49,939
totals in your attachment are

3909
01:32:49,939 --> 01:32:51,774
correct. But these two here had

3910
01:32:51,774 --> 01:32:52,742
transposed numbers. So um, I

3911
01:32:52,742 --> 01:32:53,900
just wanted to point that out

3912
01:32:53,900 --> 01:32:53,543
that that

3913
01:32:53,543 --> 01:32:53,742
s different from

3914
01:32:53,742 --> 01:32:54,477
what

3915
01:32:54,477 --> 01:32:56,512
s in your packet. But

3916
01:32:56,512 --> 01:32:58,514
again totals are accurate and

3917
01:32:58,514 --> 01:33:00,216
are the same. So this is

3918
01:33:00,216 --> 01:33:00,416
showing the fees that we

3919
01:33:00,416 --> 01:33:01,451
ve

3920
01:33:01,451 --> 01:33:02,785
discussed with those

3921
01:33:02,785 --> 01:33:04,486
inflationary impacts. So you

3922
01:33:04,486 --> 01:33:07,189
can see what the difference

3923
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:08,491
would be with that 3.9%

3924
01:33:08,491 --> 01:33:09,125
inflation versus the reduced

3925
01:33:09,125 --> 01:33:09,392
inflation that we

3926
01:33:09,392 --> 01:33:11,392
re

3927
01:33:12,361 --> 01:33:13,996
recommending. So um, the 2026

3928
01:33:13,996 --> 01:33:15,980
rate current rate is in here at

3929
01:33:15,980 --> 01:33:15,865
2.5%. You

3930
01:33:15,865 --> 01:33:18,265
d be adding roughly

3931
01:33:18,668 --> 01:33:21,300
$1,000 to these fees in total.

3932
01:33:21,300 --> 01:33:22,538
Um, bringing us to the 2027

3933
01:33:22,538 --> 01:33:23,840
proposed rate. If we had gone

3934
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:24,241
with the full inflationary

3935
01:33:24,241 --> 01:33:24,807
rate, then we

3936
01:33:24,807 --> 01:33:27,207
d be looking at

3937
01:33:28,945 --> 01:33:30,146
about $1,500, um, of added fees

3938
01:33:30,146 --> 01:33:30,780
there. So that

3939
01:33:30,780 --> 01:33:32,147
s where when I

3940
01:33:32,147 --> 01:33:34,383
mentioned going with a lower

3941
01:33:34,383 --> 01:33:34,584
rate saves $459 per household,

3942
01:33:34,584 --> 01:33:35,819
that

3943
01:33:35,819 --> 01:33:36,853
s that total on the far

3944
01:33:36,853 --> 01:33:37,153
right. So, um, that

3945
01:33:37,153 --> 01:33:37,320
s where

3946
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:38,621
we

3947
01:33:38,621 --> 01:33:39,756
re coming up with that. I do

3948
01:33:39,756 --> 01:33:41,591
want to note this is just for

3949
01:33:41,591 --> 01:33:42,992
the fees discussed. This is not

3950
01:33:42,992 --> 01:33:43,994
all fees due at permitting that

3951
01:33:43,994 --> 01:33:44,361
has to go through permitting

3952
01:33:44,361 --> 01:33:44,661
process. There

3953
01:33:44,661 --> 01:33:44,894
s there

3954
01:33:44,894 --> 01:33:46,280
s more

3955
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:46,729
to it than that. This is just

3956
01:33:46,729 --> 01:33:46,863
addressing the fees we

3957
01:33:46,863 --> 01:33:47,430
re

3958
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:48,264
discussing tonight.

3959
01:33:48,264 --> 01:33:48,631
Mayor Pro Tem is going to

3960
01:33:48,631 --> 01:33:50,631
follow up.

3961
01:33:51,468 --> 01:33:52,735
And again this is the impact on

3962
01:33:52,735 --> 01:33:53,336
new households coming to the

3963
01:33:53,336 --> 01:33:53,670
city. This doesn

3964
01:33:53,670 --> 01:33:55,272
t have

3965
01:33:55,272 --> 01:33:56,839
anything to do with water rates

3966
01:33:56,839 --> 01:33:58,141
or anything else paid by

3967
01:33:58,141 --> 01:33:58,341
current residents.

3968
01:33:58,341 --> 01:33:59,275
That

3969
01:33:59,275 --> 01:33:59,609
s correct. This is paid at

3970
01:33:59,609 --> 01:34:01,144
the time of.

3971
01:34:01,144 --> 01:34:03,144
Permitting, including

3972
01:34:05,615 --> 01:34:07,183
effectively $450 in savings to

3973
01:34:07,183 --> 01:34:07,951
the development of each new

3974
01:34:07,951 --> 01:34:08,151
property.

3975
01:34:08,151 --> 01:34:09,820
That

3976
01:34:09,820 --> 01:34:10,554
s correct. Each new single

3977
01:34:10,554 --> 01:34:11,355
family home. That

3978
01:34:11,355 --> 01:34:12,456
s right.

3979
01:34:12,456 --> 01:34:13,890
And then, Councilmember

3980
01:34:13,890 --> 01:34:14,591
Carbajal.

3981
01:34:14,591 --> 01:34:15,591
Thank you. Mayor. Yeah. My

3982
01:34:15,591 --> 01:34:17,661
question is, when we look at

3983
01:34:17,661 --> 01:34:18,661
the 2026 rates, I understand

3984
01:34:18,661 --> 01:34:20,563
where we got the inflation

3985
01:34:20,563 --> 01:34:21,664
point being 2.5% utilizing

3986
01:34:21,664 --> 01:34:23,566
those things and then figuring

3987
01:34:23,566 --> 01:34:25,135
that 3.9 was too high. But

3988
01:34:25,135 --> 01:34:27,136
where are we currently compared

3989
01:34:27,136 --> 01:34:29,573
to our neighbors in terms of

3990
01:34:29,573 --> 01:34:29,705
these rates?

3991
01:34:29,705 --> 01:34:31,410
I

3992
01:34:31,410 --> 01:34:32,708
d have to go back to our rate

3993
01:34:32,708 --> 01:34:33,943
study from a few years ago, and

3994
01:34:33,943 --> 01:34:36,813
then update where everyone else

3995
01:34:36,813 --> 01:34:37,981
is gone. And honestly, um,

3996
01:34:37,981 --> 01:34:39,449
comparability is a tricky thing

3997
01:34:39,449 --> 01:34:41,117
with impact fees because it has

3998
01:34:41,117 --> 01:34:42,986
to be directly tied to our

3999
01:34:42,986 --> 01:34:44,254
costs of increasing our

4000
01:34:44,254 --> 01:34:45,388
services, which is directly

4001
01:34:45,388 --> 01:34:46,522
tied to what services we

4002
01:34:46,522 --> 01:34:47,991
provide, which will vary by

4003
01:34:47,991 --> 01:34:48,124
community. So we can

4004
01:34:48,124 --> 01:34:49,392
t

4005
01:34:49,392 --> 01:34:51,361
necessarily set these at

4006
01:34:51,361 --> 01:34:52,796
comparable because we want it

4007
01:34:52,796 --> 01:34:53,630
to. I mean, when we do a rate

4008
01:34:53,630 --> 01:34:54,430
study, we

4009
01:34:54,430 --> 01:34:56,320
re given a maximum of

4010
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:57,667
what we can charge, and that is

4011
01:34:57,667 --> 01:34:58,735
cost recovery based on our

4012
01:34:58,735 --> 01:35:00,370
services that we choose to

4013
01:35:00,370 --> 01:35:01,938
provide to our residents, we

4014
01:35:01,938 --> 01:35:03,106
MAY have more services than

4015
01:35:03,106 --> 01:35:04,474
another community, which means

4016
01:35:04,474 --> 01:35:05,608
we need more to maintain those

4017
01:35:05,608 --> 01:35:07,310
services. As the community

4018
01:35:07,310 --> 01:35:09,212
grows, we can choose to charge

4019
01:35:09,212 --> 01:35:09,880
less and to not fully cost

4020
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:10,647
recover. That

4021
01:35:10,647 --> 01:35:11,748
s a policy

4022
01:35:11,748 --> 01:35:14,510
decision that we made with

4023
01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:15,219
regard to the commercial fees,

4024
01:35:15,219 --> 01:35:17,253
because we wanted to keep those

4025
01:35:17,253 --> 01:35:17,920
low and incentivize businesses,

4026
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:19,189
but we couldn

4027
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:20,924
t charge more

4028
01:35:20,924 --> 01:35:22,910
than what total cost recovery

4029
01:35:22,910 --> 01:35:22,525
is. But I guess what I

4030
01:35:22,525 --> 01:35:23,827
d say is

4031
01:35:23,827 --> 01:35:23,993
comparability is tricky because

4032
01:35:23,993 --> 01:35:25,280
we

4033
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:26,630
re not comparable in all

4034
01:35:26,630 --> 01:35:27,330
services and all things we

4035
01:35:27,330 --> 01:35:28,265
provide.

4036
01:35:28,265 --> 01:35:28,632
I understand that I

4037
01:35:28,632 --> 01:35:30,234
m just

4038
01:35:30,234 --> 01:35:31,635
interested in maybe seeing some

4039
01:35:31,635 --> 01:35:33,170
of that data for communities

4040
01:35:33,170 --> 01:35:34,705
near us that do have similar

4041
01:35:34,705 --> 01:35:34,871
services, because if we

4042
01:35:34,871 --> 01:35:35,272
re

4043
01:35:35,272 --> 01:35:36,440
saying, hey, we

4044
01:35:36,440 --> 01:35:36,773
re adding 2.5

4045
01:35:36,773 --> 01:35:37,474
because that

4046
01:35:37,474 --> 01:35:37,708
s the suggestion,

4047
01:35:37,708 --> 01:35:39,576
but we

4048
01:35:39,576 --> 01:35:40,443
re already 3% higher

4049
01:35:40,443 --> 01:35:40,678
than everyone else, and we

4050
01:35:40,678 --> 01:35:42,120
re

4051
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:43,460
seeing a decline in building

4052
01:35:43,460 --> 01:35:44,114
single family homes. And we

4053
01:35:44,114 --> 01:35:45,115
know that we have a housing

4054
01:35:45,115 --> 01:35:45,982
crisis. And I

4055
01:35:45,982 --> 01:35:47,684
m just interested

4056
01:35:47,684 --> 01:35:49,553
in seeing what that looks like

4057
01:35:49,553 --> 01:35:50,620
before I say, like, yeah, 2.5%

4058
01:35:50,620 --> 01:35:52,355
is reasonable because sitting

4059
01:35:52,355 --> 01:35:52,923
here it seems reasonable. I

4060
01:35:52,923 --> 01:35:53,823
just I

4061
01:35:53,823 --> 01:35:55,192
d like something

4062
01:35:55,192 --> 01:35:56,920
comparable so we can see where

4063
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:58,162
we sit compared to people

4064
01:35:58,162 --> 01:35:59,262
around us. That offer similar

4065
01:35:59,262 --> 01:36:00,130
services, because I understand

4066
01:36:00,130 --> 01:36:01,498
that component.

4067
01:36:01,498 --> 01:36:03,933
Yeah, we can we can look into

4068
01:36:03,933 --> 01:36:05,933
that.

4069
01:36:06,770 --> 01:36:09,306
Okay. Anybody else? All right.

4070
01:36:09,306 --> 01:36:11,475
Proceed then our next slide is

4071
01:36:11,475 --> 01:36:13,377
similar, uh, comparisons. But

4072
01:36:13,377 --> 01:36:14,712
on on commercial. So again this

4073
01:36:14,712 --> 01:36:15,478
is looking at square footage.

4074
01:36:15,478 --> 01:36:16,780
And it didn

4075
01:36:16,780 --> 01:36:17,948
t include water or

4076
01:36:17,948 --> 01:36:20,350
wastewater on here because it

4077
01:36:20,350 --> 01:36:21,819
is so business specific. Um, if

4078
01:36:21,819 --> 01:36:22,119
you are a hair salon it

4079
01:36:22,119 --> 01:36:23,487
s going

4080
01:36:23,487 --> 01:36:24,888
to look very different from a

4081
01:36:24,888 --> 01:36:26,991
grocery store, very different

4082
01:36:26,991 --> 01:36:28,191
from a coffee shop. Right. So,

4083
01:36:28,191 --> 01:36:29,493
um, their water needs are very,

4084
01:36:29,493 --> 01:36:31,995
very different. So this is

4085
01:36:31,995 --> 01:36:33,664
looking at just the, the

4086
01:36:33,664 --> 01:36:34,664
transportation fee which is

4087
01:36:34,664 --> 01:36:36,320
charged on everybody. And then

4088
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:37,835
the storm fee. And again,

4089
01:36:37,835 --> 01:36:40,700
looking at assuming that 2.5%

4090
01:36:40,700 --> 01:36:41,400
inflation and then at $0.22 per

4091
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:42,373
square foot that Scott

4092
01:36:42,373 --> 01:36:43,774
mentioned and discussed about

4093
01:36:43,774 --> 01:36:45,108
storm and bringing us to what

4094
01:36:45,108 --> 01:36:46,430
our new cost per square footage

4095
01:36:46,430 --> 01:36:47,244
would be based on these

4096
01:36:47,244 --> 01:36:49,279
recommendations for each of

4097
01:36:49,279 --> 01:36:50,347
these categories. Um, I did

4098
01:36:50,347 --> 01:36:52,249
give a couple examples. And

4099
01:36:52,249 --> 01:36:53,884
again, illustrative only actual

4100
01:36:53,884 --> 01:36:56,854
fees are calculated at the time

4101
01:36:56,854 --> 01:36:58,422
of permitting. But um, for a

4102
01:36:58,422 --> 01:36:59,523
500 square foot drive through

4103
01:36:59,523 --> 01:37:00,558
like a coffee shop drive

4104
01:37:00,558 --> 01:37:02,592
through, that would be your

4105
01:37:02,592 --> 01:37:04,395
your impact fees would be under

4106
01:37:04,395 --> 01:37:05,830
$1,000 for something of that

4107
01:37:05,830 --> 01:37:07,130
size. Whereas if you wanted a

4108
01:37:07,130 --> 01:37:07,298
10,000 square foot restaurant,

4109
01:37:07,298 --> 01:37:09,298
it

4110
01:37:09,533 --> 01:37:10,401
d be just under $20,000. Um,

4111
01:37:10,401 --> 01:37:14,100
it would be based on the

4112
01:37:14,671 --> 01:37:16,273
current fees. So that is all I

4113
01:37:16,273 --> 01:37:17,708
have on impact fees. Before we

4114
01:37:17,708 --> 01:37:19,276
move on, I want to just pause

4115
01:37:19,276 --> 01:37:20,510
for any other questions.

4116
01:37:20,510 --> 01:37:22,412
Impact fee questions.

4117
01:37:22,412 --> 01:37:24,215
Councilmember snare.

4118
01:37:24,215 --> 01:37:26,950
We had a discussion about this

4119
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:30,870
last year. Um, and there was

4120
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:32,656
some concern that raising these

4121
01:37:32,656 --> 01:37:35,656
impact fees on the commercial,

4122
01:37:39,330 --> 01:37:42,299
um, side might, um, deter

4123
01:37:42,299 --> 01:37:42,733
developers. And I think that

4124
01:37:42,733 --> 01:37:43,333
s

4125
01:37:43,333 --> 01:37:44,635
kind of what

4126
01:37:44,635 --> 01:37:46,300
s kept us afloat

4127
01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:48,372
is new development, bringing

4128
01:37:48,372 --> 01:37:51,972
new taxes. Um, you know, the

4129
01:37:53,711 --> 01:37:55,479
sales tax is so I guess my

4130
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,479
comment rather than a question

4131
01:38:00,118 --> 01:38:01,619
is, um, is it prudent to to do

4132
01:38:01,619 --> 01:38:01,886
that? At this point, we decided

4133
01:38:01,886 --> 01:38:03,886
it wasn

4134
01:38:06,691 --> 01:38:08,125
t last year. Um. On the

4135
01:38:08,125 --> 01:38:09,226
residential side, it just is

4136
01:38:09,226 --> 01:38:10,994
what it is. The thing I hate

4137
01:38:10,994 --> 01:38:13,164
worse than a rate increase is

4138
01:38:13,164 --> 01:38:14,165
not having fresh water. And the

4139
01:38:14,165 --> 01:38:14,699
sewage, and I don

4140
01:38:14,699 --> 01:38:15,666
t want to be

4141
01:38:15,666 --> 01:38:16,434
flooded. Okay? I

4142
01:38:16,434 --> 01:38:18,200
d rather pay a

4143
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:19,637
little more to prevent that.

4144
01:38:19,637 --> 01:38:21,438
But on the commercial side,

4145
01:38:21,438 --> 01:38:22,773
because they bring us more tax

4146
01:38:22,773 --> 01:38:25,173
revenue, they increase our

4147
01:38:25,409 --> 01:38:28,446
general fund. Are we going to

4148
01:38:28,446 --> 01:38:30,846
deter, um, development by

4149
01:38:31,115 --> 01:38:32,683
raising these fees this much?

4150
01:38:32,683 --> 01:38:34,685
And, you know, recalling last

4151
01:38:34,685 --> 01:38:35,586
year when we talked, well, the

4152
01:38:35,586 --> 01:38:36,453
impact fees have been talked

4153
01:38:36,453 --> 01:38:37,655
about for a couple of years

4154
01:38:37,655 --> 01:38:39,823
now. So we had I think two

4155
01:38:39,823 --> 01:38:42,159
years ago, we talked about the,

4156
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:44,295
the broader, um, study that

4157
01:38:44,295 --> 01:38:45,529
looked at transportation and,

4158
01:38:45,529 --> 01:38:46,530
and general services and all of

4159
01:38:46,530 --> 01:38:47,532
that. And then we did storm

4160
01:38:47,532 --> 01:38:47,798
last year. So you

4161
01:38:47,798 --> 01:38:47,998
re right,

4162
01:38:47,998 --> 01:38:48,833
there

4163
01:38:48,833 --> 01:38:51,350
s been a couple of phases

4164
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:53,370
of discussion here. And when we

4165
01:38:53,370 --> 01:38:54,405
did the the broader rate study,

4166
01:38:54,405 --> 01:38:55,406
looked at transportation and

4167
01:38:55,406 --> 01:38:56,707
general services, it actually

4168
01:38:56,707 --> 01:38:58,777
recommended a much higher rate

4169
01:38:58,777 --> 01:38:59,777
than this for the square per

4170
01:38:59,777 --> 01:39:00,440
square footage. And we didn

4171
01:39:00,440 --> 01:39:01,312
t

4172
01:39:01,312 --> 01:39:03,130
implement any of that. We did

4173
01:39:03,130 --> 01:39:03,181
only inflationary increases. So

4174
01:39:03,181 --> 01:39:05,181
we

4175
01:39:05,249 --> 01:39:06,951
ve kept this, um, at what it

4176
01:39:06,951 --> 01:39:09,120
was previously. What it what it

4177
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:10,355
was years ago and just an

4178
01:39:10,355 --> 01:39:12,230
inflationary increases each

4179
01:39:12,230 --> 01:39:12,924
year. The only one, the only

4180
01:39:12,924 --> 01:39:14,580
change that has not been

4181
01:39:14,580 --> 01:39:15,793
inflationary is the storm,

4182
01:39:15,793 --> 01:39:17,280
which is specifically for

4183
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:17,862
funding outfalls and that sort

4184
01:39:17,862 --> 01:39:19,463
of thing. But yeah, these are

4185
01:39:19,463 --> 01:39:20,130
already set at a rate that

4186
01:39:20,130 --> 01:39:21,933
s

4187
01:39:21,933 --> 01:39:23,735
uh, I would consider

4188
01:39:23,735 --> 01:39:24,702
incentivizing of new

4189
01:39:24,702 --> 01:39:25,136
development.

4190
01:39:25,136 --> 01:39:27,136
Okay.

4191
01:39:28,273 --> 01:39:29,808
Thank you. Anybody else? Mayor

4192
01:39:29,808 --> 01:39:31,676
Pro tem.

4193
01:39:31,676 --> 01:39:34,879
Yeah I think that matches my

4194
01:39:34,879 --> 01:39:36,947
memory because we had looked at

4195
01:39:36,947 --> 01:39:38,283
rate increases that would

4196
01:39:38,283 --> 01:39:39,851
really effectively have close

4197
01:39:39,851 --> 01:39:41,510
to double those commercial

4198
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:41,286
rates. And we decided that we

4199
01:39:41,286 --> 01:39:42,787
couldn

4200
01:39:42,787 --> 01:39:45,323
t afford to do that and

4201
01:39:45,323 --> 01:39:47,124
wanted to stay to just these

4202
01:39:47,124 --> 01:39:49,600
incremental changes. I think

4203
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:50,128
the other thing that happened

4204
01:39:50,128 --> 01:39:51,429
in there, though, is that the

4205
01:39:51,429 --> 01:39:53,798
Fire district gained the

4206
01:39:53,798 --> 01:39:55,767
ability to add impact fees, and

4207
01:39:55,767 --> 01:39:57,769
they implemented the maximum

4208
01:39:57,769 --> 01:39:59,871
available, uh, impact fee,

4209
01:39:59,871 --> 01:40:02,730
which for that same 100,000

4210
01:40:02,730 --> 01:40:04,473
square foot building was

4211
01:40:05,543 --> 01:40:07,245
somewhere around $500,000. So

4212
01:40:07,245 --> 01:40:08,213
there have been increases

4213
01:40:08,213 --> 01:40:09,547
there. They weren

4214
01:40:09,547 --> 01:40:11,547
t ours. But

4215
01:40:11,749 --> 01:40:13,185
that means that, um, we were

4216
01:40:13,185 --> 01:40:15,287
sort of left behind on on

4217
01:40:15,287 --> 01:40:18,489
getting that. My my question on

4218
01:40:18,489 --> 01:40:19,991
on this, uh, again, just trying

4219
01:40:19,991 --> 01:40:22,827
to look at how much of the gap

4220
01:40:22,827 --> 01:40:24,296
to, to fit, uh, is the

4221
01:40:24,296 --> 01:40:26,696
difference between, in this

4222
01:40:28,533 --> 01:40:30,933
case saying, uh, 2.5% plus

4223
01:40:32,204 --> 01:40:33,838
$0.22 versus doing a larger

4224
01:40:33,838 --> 01:40:36,507
percentage, such as using the

4225
01:40:36,507 --> 01:40:38,907
inflationary 3.9%? It looks to

4226
01:40:39,544 --> 01:40:40,945
be, um, on the industrial and

4227
01:40:40,945 --> 01:40:42,247
warehouse space. Closer

4228
01:40:42,247 --> 01:40:44,583
difference between them. But on

4229
01:40:44,583 --> 01:40:45,817
retail and commercial still

4230
01:40:45,817 --> 01:40:47,920
leaves a pretty significant

4231
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:51,189
gap. Uh, just trying to figure

4232
01:40:51,189 --> 01:40:52,791
out is this one where a

4233
01:40:52,791 --> 01:40:54,325
compromise like saying the

4234
01:40:54,325 --> 01:40:55,894
actual inflation is what we

4235
01:40:55,894 --> 01:40:57,862
need to do, or is our gap so

4236
01:40:57,862 --> 01:40:59,464
significant that we need to

4237
01:40:59,464 --> 01:40:59,764
make up more than that?

4238
01:40:59,764 --> 01:41:00,932
If we

4239
01:41:00,932 --> 01:41:03,340
re looking for cost

4240
01:41:03,340 --> 01:41:04,435
recovery from these fees, then

4241
01:41:04,435 --> 01:41:06,710
yeah, the gap is much larger

4242
01:41:06,710 --> 01:41:08,106
than that. And I recall what

4243
01:41:08,106 --> 01:41:09,908
you did was it would have been

4244
01:41:09,908 --> 01:41:11,109
doubling or even more, um, when

4245
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:12,244
we when we looked at what the

4246
01:41:12,244 --> 01:41:12,844
rate study said, and when we do

4247
01:41:12,844 --> 01:41:12,978
another rate study, it

4248
01:41:12,978 --> 01:41:13,744
s

4249
01:41:13,744 --> 01:41:15,280
probably going to tell us

4250
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:15,680
something similar. That doesn

4251
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:16,748
t

4252
01:41:16,748 --> 01:41:17,716
mean that that

4253
01:41:17,716 --> 01:41:18,817
s necessarily

4254
01:41:18,817 --> 01:41:19,851
what we want to recommend,

4255
01:41:19,851 --> 01:41:21,453
because we do want to continue

4256
01:41:21,453 --> 01:41:23,453
to incentivize business

4257
01:41:24,289 --> 01:41:26,289
development.

4258
01:41:29,361 --> 01:41:32,597
Okay. That makes sense. I, I

4259
01:41:32,597 --> 01:41:35,433
hesitate on on a cost of

4260
01:41:35,433 --> 01:41:37,236
171,000 increase, but also

4261
01:41:37,236 --> 01:41:39,404
looking at the full effect of

4262
01:41:39,404 --> 01:41:41,206
what is the cost of 100,000

4263
01:41:41,206 --> 01:41:41,673
square foot warehouse. At this

4264
01:41:41,673 --> 01:41:42,574
point, it

4265
01:41:42,574 --> 01:41:44,109
s probably a

4266
01:41:44,109 --> 01:41:44,743
relatively small percentage

4267
01:41:44,743 --> 01:41:46,445
overall.

4268
01:41:46,445 --> 01:41:46,945
To be clear, that 171 is total,

4269
01:41:46,945 --> 01:41:47,646
not the it

4270
01:41:47,646 --> 01:41:48,246
s not the amount

4271
01:41:48,246 --> 01:41:49,214
increased. That

4272
01:41:49,214 --> 01:41:49,615
s the total,

4273
01:41:49,615 --> 01:41:49,815
right?

4274
01:41:49,815 --> 01:41:51,249
That

4275
01:41:51,249 --> 01:41:52,818
s the total. But as a

4276
01:41:52,818 --> 01:41:54,185
percentage of the total cost of

4277
01:41:54,185 --> 01:41:54,753
that square foot of that

4278
01:41:54,753 --> 01:41:55,620
warehouse, it

4279
01:41:55,620 --> 01:41:57,456
s probably not a

4280
01:41:57,456 --> 01:41:58,560
very high percentage. Correct.

4281
01:41:58,560 --> 01:41:59,258
Okay.

4282
01:41:59,258 --> 01:41:59,925
Thank you. Councilmember

4283
01:41:59,925 --> 01:42:01,925
Fiedler.

4284
01:42:01,993 --> 01:42:03,495
Thank you. Mayor. Uh, Katrina,

4285
01:42:03,495 --> 01:42:03,662
an educational question. It

4286
01:42:03,662 --> 01:42:05,363
s

4287
01:42:05,363 --> 01:42:05,531
not a gotcha, I promise. I

4288
01:42:05,531 --> 01:42:07,990
don

4289
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:08,934
t see educational impact

4290
01:42:08,934 --> 01:42:09,968
fees on here. I know why I

4291
01:42:09,968 --> 01:42:10,235
could you explain to the world

4292
01:42:10,235 --> 01:42:11,436
why that

4293
01:42:11,436 --> 01:42:12,370
s true?

4294
01:42:12,370 --> 01:42:12,904
Because we don

4295
01:42:12,904 --> 01:42:14,506
t develop

4296
01:42:14,506 --> 01:42:15,473
educational facilities as a

4297
01:42:15,473 --> 01:42:16,575
city fair.

4298
01:42:16,575 --> 01:42:18,310
And talk to me about the

4299
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:20,112
capital facility fee

4300
01:42:20,112 --> 01:42:20,879
foundation. The city has always

4301
01:42:20,879 --> 01:42:22,281
been a great partner in

4302
01:42:22,281 --> 01:42:24,383
collecting that fee on behalf

4303
01:42:24,383 --> 01:42:25,350
of the school district. Right.

4304
01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:28,387
And more so than some of the

4305
01:42:28,387 --> 01:42:28,553
other municipalities. And I

4306
01:42:28,553 --> 01:42:29,455
you

4307
01:42:29,455 --> 01:42:30,256
re aware of that.

4308
01:42:30,256 --> 01:42:31,560
But we yeah, we don

4309
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:32,691
t utilize

4310
01:42:32,691 --> 01:42:35,910
that as a city.

4311
01:42:35,940 --> 01:42:37,262
Yes. And you partner with the

4312
01:42:37,262 --> 01:42:39,198
school district to cause the

4313
01:42:39,198 --> 01:42:40,332
developers to pay that fee.

4314
01:42:40,332 --> 01:42:42,201
Prior to issuing the building

4315
01:42:42,201 --> 01:42:42,467
permit, correct? Yes. Here

4316
01:42:42,467 --> 01:42:44,467
s

4317
01:42:44,570 --> 01:42:46,271
the trap question. When was the

4318
01:42:46,271 --> 01:42:47,339
last time that fee was adjusted

4319
01:42:47,339 --> 01:42:47,673
for inflation?

4320
01:42:47,673 --> 01:42:48,407
Ooh, that

4321
01:42:48,407 --> 01:42:49,608
s a great question.

4322
01:42:49,608 --> 01:42:50,676
It is a great question. I would

4323
01:42:50,676 --> 01:42:52,770
love you free to explore that

4324
01:42:52,770 --> 01:42:53,813
with your partner at 27 j

4325
01:42:53,813 --> 01:42:55,281
schools and see what they might

4326
01:42:55,281 --> 01:42:57,917
think about doing with that.

4327
01:42:57,917 --> 01:42:59,917
Okay. Thank you.

4328
01:43:00,452 --> 01:43:02,452
Any others?

4329
01:43:05,825 --> 01:43:07,793
What was that your question?

4330
01:43:07,793 --> 01:43:08,193
Before we continue, we

4331
01:43:08,193 --> 01:43:08,794
re only

4332
01:43:08,794 --> 01:43:09,595
halfway through this

4333
01:43:09,595 --> 01:43:11,595
presentation. It

4334
01:43:12,431 --> 01:43:13,699
s like 742. Do

4335
01:43:13,699 --> 01:43:15,233
we want to have a quick break?

4336
01:43:15,233 --> 01:43:17,360
No breaks. Pounding through it.

4337
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:17,703
I know some others that want

4338
01:43:17,703 --> 01:43:18,370
one.

4339
01:43:18,370 --> 01:43:19,710
Yeah.

4340
01:43:19,710 --> 01:43:20,572
Before the question is, do we

4341
01:43:20,572 --> 01:43:20,740
do it now or after we.

4342
01:43:20,740 --> 01:43:21,574
We

4343
01:43:21,574 --> 01:43:22,675
re at a good spot now to

4344
01:43:22,675 --> 01:43:23,909
take a break. I have two things

4345
01:43:23,909 --> 01:43:27,446
to add before we take a break.

4346
01:43:27,446 --> 01:43:30,683
Number one, uh, the hba did do,

4347
01:43:30,683 --> 01:43:32,851
uh, kind of an assessment of

4348
01:43:32,851 --> 01:43:34,554
permit fees for single family

4349
01:43:34,554 --> 01:43:36,322
homes throughout the metro

4350
01:43:36,322 --> 01:43:37,957
area. Brighton Falls kind of in

4351
01:43:37,957 --> 01:43:40,590
the middle upper, but we are

4352
01:43:40,590 --> 01:43:41,193
lower than our two neighboring

4353
01:43:41,193 --> 01:43:42,361
communities who are growing

4354
01:43:42,361 --> 01:43:44,196
like we are in Adams County,

4355
01:43:44,196 --> 01:43:46,165
Commerce City and Thornton. So,

4356
01:43:46,165 --> 01:43:49,765
for example, last year we were

4357
01:43:50,836 --> 01:43:53,380
at 5401 per new home, and

4358
01:43:53,380 --> 01:43:55,408
Commerce City was at 7477,

4359
01:43:55,408 --> 01:43:57,430
Thornton just under $10,000 for

4360
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:57,276
impact fees. So again, to

4361
01:43:57,276 --> 01:43:58,310
Katrina

4362
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:58,478
s point, these aren

4363
01:43:58,478 --> 01:43:59,845
t

4364
01:43:59,845 --> 01:44:01,514
apples to apples. There are a

4365
01:44:01,514 --> 01:44:01,781
lot of variables here, but I

4366
01:44:01,781 --> 01:44:02,481
think it

4367
01:44:02,481 --> 01:44:03,482
s important to point

4368
01:44:03,482 --> 01:44:03,916
out that while we

4369
01:44:03,916 --> 01:44:05,170
re not the

4370
01:44:05,170 --> 01:44:05,285
cheapest by any means, we

4371
01:44:05,285 --> 01:44:07,285
re

4372
01:44:07,286 --> 01:44:08,254
still in line with and cheaper

4373
01:44:08,254 --> 01:44:08,754
than our neighbors here in

4374
01:44:08,754 --> 01:44:09,121
Adams County.

4375
01:44:09,121 --> 01:44:09,789
Now, I don

4376
01:44:09,789 --> 01:44:11,390
t have to ask that

4377
01:44:11,390 --> 01:44:12,759
question later. I wish that was

4378
01:44:12,759 --> 01:44:13,126
in the slides, but thank you

4379
01:44:13,126 --> 01:44:14,426
for that.

4380
01:44:14,426 --> 01:44:15,695
Another thing, just on this

4381
01:44:15,695 --> 01:44:16,595
point of the conversation as

4382
01:44:16,595 --> 01:44:17,563
well, we don

4383
01:44:17,563 --> 01:44:20,563
t hear a lot of

4384
01:44:20,733 --> 01:44:22,668
pushback on our square foot

4385
01:44:22,668 --> 01:44:23,870
charges for industrial and or

4386
01:44:23,870 --> 01:44:24,436
warehouse. So that

4387
01:44:24,436 --> 01:44:25,638
s not one of

4388
01:44:25,638 --> 01:44:27,373
the issues that we have when it

4389
01:44:27,373 --> 01:44:29,410
comes to business development

4390
01:44:29,410 --> 01:44:30,343
here. We do hear it more often

4391
01:44:30,343 --> 01:44:32,780
with retail and commercial and

4392
01:44:32,780 --> 01:44:32,478
office, but generally we don

4393
01:44:32,478 --> 01:44:34,247
t

4394
01:44:34,247 --> 01:44:36,215
hear a lot of complaints on our

4395
01:44:36,215 --> 01:44:37,316
impact fees when it comes to

4396
01:44:37,316 --> 01:44:38,484
warehouse and industrial

4397
01:44:38,484 --> 01:44:39,953
development. So the fees that

4398
01:44:39,953 --> 01:44:41,954
you see here are generally

4399
01:44:41,954 --> 01:44:43,889
accepted by the industry.

4400
01:44:43,889 --> 01:44:44,623
Oh, Council member Carbajal is

4401
01:44:44,623 --> 01:44:45,892
good. A quick.

4402
01:44:45,892 --> 01:44:47,527
Yeah, I love this because I

4403
01:44:47,527 --> 01:44:49,295
looked up the hba Denver thing

4404
01:44:49,295 --> 01:44:50,963
and I saw the part that below.

4405
01:44:50,963 --> 01:44:51,464
But in terms of municipality

4406
01:44:51,464 --> 01:44:52,399
rankings, we

4407
01:44:52,399 --> 01:44:53,766
re still number

4408
01:44:53,766 --> 01:44:54,934
four for the most expensive.

4409
01:44:54,934 --> 01:44:57,237
When you put everything

4410
01:44:57,237 --> 01:44:59,171
together. So and we stay in the

4411
01:44:59,171 --> 01:45:00,306
top four Erie, Castle Rock,

4412
01:45:00,306 --> 01:45:02,306
Brighton and Parker.

4413
01:45:02,442 --> 01:45:03,877
We have a very long argument

4414
01:45:03,877 --> 01:45:04,743
with the hba going on about

4415
01:45:04,743 --> 01:45:05,780
this too. So that

4416
01:45:05,780 --> 01:45:05,244
s why we

4417
01:45:05,244 --> 01:45:06,379
don

4418
01:45:06,379 --> 01:45:07,813
t necessarily use that

4419
01:45:07,813 --> 01:45:07,981
total ranking, because that

4420
01:45:07,981 --> 01:45:09,150
s

4421
01:45:09,150 --> 01:45:10,490
not an apples to apples.

4422
01:45:10,490 --> 01:45:11,584
Marvin. I have been back and

4423
01:45:11,584 --> 01:45:13,653
forth with them on this for a

4424
01:45:13,653 --> 01:45:14,654
couple of years now so that we

4425
01:45:14,654 --> 01:45:14,854
can have another discussion on

4426
01:45:14,854 --> 01:45:16,556
later.

4427
01:45:16,556 --> 01:45:18,691
This slide is in. Their report

4428
01:45:18,691 --> 01:45:19,292
is incorrect, but the other one

4429
01:45:19,292 --> 01:45:20,427
is correct.

4430
01:45:20,427 --> 01:45:20,893
Yes. We because they don

4431
01:45:20,893 --> 01:45:22,610
t take

4432
01:45:22,610 --> 01:45:23,730
into consideration again, when

4433
01:45:23,730 --> 01:45:25,165
it comes to apples to apples,

4434
01:45:25,165 --> 01:45:25,832
that one really isn

4435
01:45:25,832 --> 01:45:27,300
t an apples

4436
01:45:27,300 --> 01:45:29,202
to apples thing. This here is

4437
01:45:29,202 --> 01:45:31,271
just the total cost. The total

4438
01:45:31,271 --> 01:45:33,339
permit fee cost for single

4439
01:45:33,339 --> 01:45:33,874
family. So this one is

4440
01:45:33,874 --> 01:45:34,140
certainly more.

4441
01:45:34,140 --> 01:45:34,674
You don

4442
01:45:34,674 --> 01:45:34,908
t have to do it now,

4443
01:45:34,908 --> 01:45:35,975
but I

4444
01:45:35,975 --> 01:45:37,100
d love to hear some

4445
01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:37,377
elaboration on why it

4446
01:45:37,377 --> 01:45:38,378
s not

4447
01:45:38,378 --> 01:45:40,146
apples to apples.

4448
01:45:40,146 --> 01:45:40,380
Got it? Great question. I

4449
01:45:40,380 --> 01:45:42,380
ve

4450
01:45:42,449 --> 01:45:43,516
been battling with them to. All

4451
01:45:43,516 --> 01:45:47,116
right. Are we good with the

4452
01:46:10,208 --> 01:46:13,144
break? Okay. We will continue

4453
01:46:13,144 --> 01:46:13,678
the presentation. Take it away.

4454
01:46:13,678 --> 01:46:14,646
All right. I

4455
01:46:14,646 --> 01:46:17,516
m going to open us

4456
01:46:17,516 --> 01:46:18,750
up this time. Um, so on the

4457
01:46:18,750 --> 01:46:18,884
screen now, uh, where we

4458
01:46:18,884 --> 01:46:20,752
re

4459
01:46:20,752 --> 01:46:21,520
picking up after the break is a

4460
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:22,387
new fee. It

4461
01:46:22,387 --> 01:46:22,587
s, um, what we

4462
01:46:22,587 --> 01:46:23,889
re

4463
01:46:23,889 --> 01:46:26,289
calling the water resources

4464
01:46:26,525 --> 01:46:28,761
review fee. So, as you guys all

4465
01:46:28,761 --> 01:46:30,361
know, uh, we require water

4466
01:46:30,361 --> 01:46:32,761
dedication for new development

4467
01:46:33,231 --> 01:46:34,832
in the city. And when a

4468
01:46:34,832 --> 01:46:36,235
developer proposes water

4469
01:46:36,235 --> 01:46:37,869
shares, that is, that are

4470
01:46:37,869 --> 01:46:40,672
acceptable to us, we have to

4471
01:46:40,672 --> 01:46:42,507
review those shares. Um, most

4472
01:46:42,507 --> 01:46:42,707
notably, the historical use. So

4473
01:46:42,707 --> 01:46:44,509
there

4474
01:46:44,509 --> 01:46:47,413
s a different amount of

4475
01:46:47,413 --> 01:46:49,181
credit that us as a city and

4476
01:46:49,181 --> 01:46:50,749
eventually water court will

4477
01:46:50,749 --> 01:46:52,117
give, um, for these water

4478
01:46:52,117 --> 01:46:54,653
shares based on what they have

4479
01:46:54,653 --> 01:46:57,122
been used for in the past. Um,

4480
01:46:57,122 --> 01:46:58,857
so we have our, our consulting

4481
01:46:58,857 --> 01:47:00,526
engineers, sometimes internal,

4482
01:47:00,526 --> 01:47:02,160
sometimes consultants. Look at

4483
01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:03,862
this. Um, we also have to

4484
01:47:03,862 --> 01:47:05,300
sometimes have a legal review

4485
01:47:05,300 --> 01:47:07,399
of that, and that ends up

4486
01:47:07,399 --> 01:47:09,340
costing us, um, quite a bit of

4487
01:47:09,340 --> 01:47:11,503
money that we have no way to

4488
01:47:11,503 --> 01:47:12,971
recover that as of now, as

4489
01:47:12,971 --> 01:47:14,806
Katrina has mentioned, we have

4490
01:47:14,806 --> 01:47:16,175
a long standing philosophy that

4491
01:47:16,175 --> 01:47:16,374
development pays its own way.

4492
01:47:16,374 --> 01:47:18,100
So we

4493
01:47:18,100 --> 01:47:19,444
re proposing that these

4494
01:47:19,444 --> 01:47:22,444
developers would give us an

4495
01:47:23,381 --> 01:47:24,983
escrow deposit of $10,000, um,

4496
01:47:24,983 --> 01:47:26,986
that we would use toward that

4497
01:47:26,986 --> 01:47:29,255
engineering review or legal

4498
01:47:29,255 --> 01:47:30,289
review, and then any unused

4499
01:47:30,289 --> 01:47:31,757
portion of that would be

4500
01:47:31,757 --> 01:47:33,491
returned to the, uh, the

4501
01:47:33,491 --> 01:47:34,259
applicant. Also, we

4502
01:47:34,259 --> 01:47:36,194
re asking

4503
01:47:36,194 --> 01:47:38,290
that the director of utilities,

4504
01:47:38,290 --> 01:47:39,231
myself, be allowed to increase

4505
01:47:39,231 --> 01:47:40,632
that if there are special

4506
01:47:40,632 --> 01:47:42,340
circumstances that would

4507
01:47:42,340 --> 01:47:44,360
increase those fees that the

4508
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:46,436
city, um, is currently

4509
01:47:46,972 --> 01:47:47,672
absorbing above that $10,000

4510
01:47:47,672 --> 01:47:47,907
figure.

4511
01:47:47,907 --> 01:47:48,774
And I

4512
01:47:48,774 --> 01:47:49,708
ll note on this as well,

4513
01:47:49,708 --> 01:47:51,109
we already do this with

4514
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:51,310
community development. So if

4515
01:47:51,310 --> 01:47:52,277
there

4516
01:47:52,277 --> 01:47:53,546
s, say, a new metro

4517
01:47:53,546 --> 01:47:55,748
district or a metro district

4518
01:47:55,748 --> 01:47:57,383
wants a plan review, they give

4519
01:47:57,383 --> 01:47:59,718
us a deposit. We use that money

4520
01:47:59,718 --> 01:48:01,286
to pay legal counsel, outside

4521
01:48:01,286 --> 01:48:02,454
counsel to do that work for us.

4522
01:48:02,454 --> 01:48:04,256
And then once all the bills are

4523
01:48:04,256 --> 01:48:05,524
paid, we return, we return the

4524
01:48:05,524 --> 01:48:05,858
unused amount. So this is a a

4525
01:48:05,858 --> 01:48:06,926
process we

4526
01:48:06,926 --> 01:48:08,926
re very familiar

4527
01:48:09,461 --> 01:48:10,929
with. Um, as far as collecting

4528
01:48:10,929 --> 01:48:12,665
the deposits and returning them

4529
01:48:12,665 --> 01:48:14,133
once the bills are paid.

4530
01:48:14,133 --> 01:48:15,634
Mayor Pro Tem, did you want to.

4531
01:48:15,634 --> 01:48:16,535
Ask? Just a snippy comment that

4532
01:48:16,535 --> 01:48:17,803
we had a council member who

4533
01:48:17,803 --> 01:48:19,500
used to be able to calculate

4534
01:48:19,500 --> 01:48:19,705
this on his iPhone during

4535
01:48:19,705 --> 01:48:20,473
meetings, so I

4536
01:48:20,473 --> 01:48:22,473
m surprised that

4537
01:48:23,242 --> 01:48:23,409
it takes $10,000 for work. No,

4538
01:48:23,409 --> 01:48:25,311
it

4539
01:48:25,311 --> 01:48:28,311
s a good idea and

4540
01:48:29,248 --> 01:48:30,416
inappropriate. I take it back.

4541
01:48:30,416 --> 01:48:31,116
COUNCILMAN Carbajal.

4542
01:48:31,116 --> 01:48:31,684
Do we currently.

4543
01:48:31,684 --> 01:48:32,118
Have one or we don

4544
01:48:32,118 --> 01:48:33,219
t have one.

4545
01:48:33,219 --> 01:48:34,687
Right now?

4546
01:48:34,687 --> 01:48:36,923
No, we do not have any fees.

4547
01:48:36,923 --> 01:48:37,523
So, yeah, this is absorbed. No,

4548
01:48:37,523 --> 01:48:39,523
I think.

4549
01:48:40,326 --> 01:48:42,161
Most added. Yes. Correct. Okay.

4550
01:48:42,161 --> 01:48:44,161
Council member Snyder.

4551
01:48:44,897 --> 01:48:45,398
Do they pay for this service

4552
01:48:45,398 --> 01:48:47,199
after it

4553
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:47,433
s done or they don

4554
01:48:47,433 --> 01:48:49,433
t

4555
01:48:49,735 --> 01:48:50,502
pay anything for the service at

4556
01:48:50,502 --> 01:48:52,404
all? Right now.

4557
01:48:52,404 --> 01:48:55,404
Currently they pay nothing for

4558
01:48:56,909 --> 01:48:58,211
this service. Correct. It it

4559
01:48:58,211 --> 01:48:59,679
out of all of the development

4560
01:48:59,679 --> 01:49:01,413
that we see in all the water

4561
01:49:01,413 --> 01:49:02,800
rights, it can add up to a very

4562
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:02,214
large number that we

4563
01:49:02,214 --> 01:49:02,481
re

4564
01:49:02,481 --> 01:49:02,982
currently.

4565
01:49:02,982 --> 01:49:03,516
Yeah, I think that

4566
01:49:03,516 --> 01:49:05,418
s where the

4567
01:49:05,418 --> 01:49:07,418
affixing. Absolutely.

4568
01:49:07,786 --> 01:49:09,122
Anybody else. So another

4569
01:49:09,122 --> 01:49:10,489
municipality that has this

4570
01:49:10,489 --> 01:49:11,457
water resource fee or a water

4571
01:49:11,457 --> 01:49:14,193
district or something that we

4572
01:49:14,193 --> 01:49:16,193
can compare to.

4573
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:18,597
Um, good question. I can look

4574
01:49:18,597 --> 01:49:20,320
into how other similar

4575
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,202
municipalities charge for their

4576
01:49:22,202 --> 01:49:24,771
review. Um, I mean, anybody

4577
01:49:24,771 --> 01:49:26,205
that is requiring water

4578
01:49:26,205 --> 01:49:27,973
dedication is somehow paying

4579
01:49:27,973 --> 01:49:29,875
for that engineering review. So

4580
01:49:29,875 --> 01:49:30,209
I can look into similar costs.

4581
01:49:30,209 --> 01:49:30,943
I just don

4582
01:49:30,943 --> 01:49:31,744
t have a baseline to

4583
01:49:31,744 --> 01:49:33,744
compare this all.

4584
01:49:34,347 --> 01:49:35,514
And again, the amount is set to

4585
01:49:35,514 --> 01:49:36,582
at a level that we know would

4586
01:49:36,582 --> 01:49:38,251
cover the majority of

4587
01:49:38,251 --> 01:49:40,553
situations, but we only pay

4588
01:49:40,553 --> 01:49:41,654
actual costs with it. Anything

4589
01:49:41,654 --> 01:49:42,355
unused, we go back to the

4590
01:49:42,355 --> 01:49:42,722
applicant so we don

4591
01:49:42,722 --> 01:49:44,157
t keep the

4592
01:49:44,157 --> 01:49:45,258
10,000. If it only costs 2000,

4593
01:49:45,258 --> 01:49:46,920
they get 8000 back.

4594
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:47,260
Oh, they get it back.

4595
01:49:47,260 --> 01:49:47,726
Yeah, they get back the unused

4596
01:49:47,726 --> 01:49:49,628
portion that.

4597
01:49:49,628 --> 01:49:49,962
Yeah that that that is more.

4598
01:49:49,962 --> 01:49:50,997
Yeah. We

4599
01:49:50,997 --> 01:49:51,331
re just paying actual

4600
01:49:51,331 --> 01:49:52,499
costs.

4601
01:49:52,499 --> 01:49:53,233
Yes. So this. Yeah there would

4602
01:49:53,233 --> 01:49:54,233
be like we aren

4603
01:49:54,233 --> 01:49:55,435
t asking for a

4604
01:49:55,435 --> 01:49:55,601
markup or anything on that.

4605
01:49:55,601 --> 01:49:56,635
It

4606
01:49:56,635 --> 01:49:58,400
s the actual costs that are

4607
01:49:58,400 --> 01:49:59,271
built to us for that review.

4608
01:49:59,271 --> 01:49:59,672
Everything else goes back to

4609
01:49:59,672 --> 01:50:01,441
them.

4610
01:50:01,441 --> 01:50:04,344
Thank you. Thank you. All

4611
01:50:04,344 --> 01:50:05,644
right. Anybody else?

4612
01:50:05,644 --> 01:50:07,644
Councilmember Carbajal.

4613
01:50:08,214 --> 01:50:09,382
Then on the allow for a larger

4614
01:50:09,382 --> 01:50:09,749
would that just be once you

4615
01:50:09,749 --> 01:50:10,549
know that it

4616
01:50:10,549 --> 01:50:11,384
s going to cost

4617
01:50:11,384 --> 01:50:12,652
more like I

4618
01:50:12,652 --> 01:50:13,686
m just like, what

4619
01:50:13,686 --> 01:50:16,155
does that mean at your

4620
01:50:16,155 --> 01:50:16,723
discretion. And like before we

4621
01:50:16,723 --> 01:50:17,290
know how much we

4622
01:50:17,290 --> 01:50:18,324
re spending.

4623
01:50:18,324 --> 01:50:19,125
Just talk to me about that a

4624
01:50:19,125 --> 01:50:21,125
little bit.

4625
01:50:22,362 --> 01:50:23,496
Yeah. So if we utilize the

4626
01:50:23,496 --> 01:50:23,696
10,000 and say that we

4627
01:50:23,696 --> 01:50:25,498
re

4628
01:50:25,498 --> 01:50:27,233
working on some unique legal

4629
01:50:27,233 --> 01:50:27,567
agreement with them, um, that

4630
01:50:27,567 --> 01:50:28,801
s

4631
01:50:28,801 --> 01:50:29,469
where we would ask for the

4632
01:50:29,469 --> 01:50:30,770
additional. It

4633
01:50:30,770 --> 01:50:32,380
s not typical

4634
01:50:32,380 --> 01:50:32,872
that we have something like

4635
01:50:32,872 --> 01:50:33,873
this. Um, there

4636
01:50:33,873 --> 01:50:34,974
s only

4637
01:50:34,974 --> 01:50:35,141
currently one project that

4638
01:50:35,141 --> 01:50:37,141
we

4639
01:50:37,410 --> 01:50:38,911
re working on that has

4640
01:50:38,911 --> 01:50:40,947
special legal agreements that

4641
01:50:40,947 --> 01:50:42,449
go with it. Um, for the water

4642
01:50:42,449 --> 01:50:44,617
dedication. So, yeah, it would

4643
01:50:44,617 --> 01:50:47,170
be pretty abnormal, right?

4644
01:50:47,553 --> 01:50:47,954
Anybody else? Go on to utility

4645
01:50:47,954 --> 01:50:49,210
rates?

4646
01:50:49,210 --> 01:50:49,923
All right. Let

4647
01:50:49,923 --> 01:50:51,925
s go ahead into

4648
01:50:51,925 --> 01:50:52,580
the meat. Not that we haven

4649
01:50:52,580 --> 01:50:53,393
t

4650
01:50:53,393 --> 01:50:54,761
already been through a lot of

4651
01:50:54,761 --> 01:50:57,229
meat. But anyway, going into

4652
01:50:57,229 --> 01:50:59,232
the the next big chunk of this

4653
01:50:59,232 --> 01:51:00,633
presentation, um, the utility

4654
01:51:00,633 --> 01:51:01,134
rates. So again similar to

4655
01:51:01,134 --> 01:51:01,534
impact fees, we

4656
01:51:01,534 --> 01:51:02,936
ll go through

4657
01:51:02,936 --> 01:51:06,536
our approach. And then with the

4658
01:51:07,306 --> 01:51:08,942
proposals are so um, with our

4659
01:51:08,942 --> 01:51:11,100
utilities, uh, artillery rates.

4660
01:51:11,100 --> 01:51:11,578
So um, we just some background

4661
01:51:11,578 --> 01:51:11,978
on the funds. As I

4662
01:51:11,978 --> 01:51:13,547
ve mentioned

4663
01:51:13,547 --> 01:51:14,547
before, they are enterprise

4664
01:51:14,547 --> 01:51:16,315
funds, which means they do need

4665
01:51:16,315 --> 01:51:18,351
to operate in a financially

4666
01:51:18,351 --> 01:51:19,850
independent way. So the fees

4667
01:51:19,850 --> 01:51:19,252
that we charge, whether it

4668
01:51:19,252 --> 01:51:21,221
s

4669
01:51:21,221 --> 01:51:23,356
impact fees or user rates or

4670
01:51:23,356 --> 01:51:25,125
the combination of those, must

4671
01:51:25,125 --> 01:51:26,660
fund the entirety of the funds

4672
01:51:26,660 --> 01:51:28,128
needs, including operations and

4673
01:51:28,128 --> 01:51:29,328
capital replacement or

4674
01:51:29,328 --> 01:51:30,463
maintenance repairs, things

4675
01:51:30,463 --> 01:51:30,664
like that. So when we

4676
01:51:30,664 --> 01:51:32,165
re

4677
01:51:32,165 --> 01:51:32,866
setting rates and fees in the

4678
01:51:32,866 --> 01:51:33,233
utility funds, that

4679
01:51:33,233 --> 01:51:34,434
s what we

4680
01:51:34,434 --> 01:51:35,835
are looking at is what do we

4681
01:51:35,835 --> 01:51:37,237
need to cover all of the

4682
01:51:37,237 --> 01:51:39,373
operational and capital needs

4683
01:51:39,373 --> 01:51:41,541
of that fund? Um, this

4684
01:51:41,541 --> 01:51:43,430
limitation is it is these are

4685
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:44,778
for water and wastewater. Tabor

4686
01:51:44,778 --> 01:51:46,120
enterprises. So if we were to

4687
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:47,647
fall short, we were very

4688
01:51:47,647 --> 01:51:48,781
limited on our options to be

4689
01:51:48,781 --> 01:51:49,116
able to move money into these

4690
01:51:49,116 --> 01:51:49,683
funds. That

4691
01:51:49,683 --> 01:51:50,683
s why we are

4692
01:51:50,683 --> 01:51:52,319
looking so closely at these

4693
01:51:52,319 --> 01:51:53,753
rates every single year with

4694
01:51:53,753 --> 01:51:55,288
water. We do work with a rate

4695
01:51:55,288 --> 01:51:55,622
consultant. Every year we make

4696
01:51:55,622 --> 01:51:56,156
sure that we

4697
01:51:56,156 --> 01:51:58,920
re tracking the

4698
01:51:58,920 --> 01:51:59,259
way we expect it to. Um, if

4699
01:51:59,259 --> 01:52:00,927
something changes in our

4700
01:52:00,927 --> 01:52:03,960
capital improvement plan, um,

4701
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:03,563
costs come in different things

4702
01:52:03,563 --> 01:52:04,631
like that. We

4703
01:52:04,631 --> 01:52:06,466
re always looking

4704
01:52:06,466 --> 01:52:07,500
at that. So we we meet

4705
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:08,869
periodically throughout the

4706
01:52:08,869 --> 01:52:10,570
year. Myself, our budget

4707
01:52:10,570 --> 01:52:11,772
director, and Scott all meet

4708
01:52:11,772 --> 01:52:13,400
and look at that really

4709
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:14,207
regularly. And then we run it

4710
01:52:14,207 --> 01:52:15,576
by our consultants once a year

4711
01:52:15,576 --> 01:52:16,876
just to get a second set of

4712
01:52:16,876 --> 01:52:17,845
eyes and make sure that kind of

4713
01:52:17,845 --> 01:52:18,145
get that sanity check, that

4714
01:52:18,145 --> 01:52:18,812
everything

4715
01:52:18,812 --> 01:52:20,414
s tracking where we

4716
01:52:20,414 --> 01:52:21,882
need to. Um, when you have a

4717
01:52:21,882 --> 01:52:23,583
project as large as the water

4718
01:52:23,583 --> 01:52:23,784
treatment plant coming online,

4719
01:52:23,784 --> 01:52:24,585
there

4720
01:52:24,585 --> 01:52:25,719
s a lot of estimates in

4721
01:52:25,719 --> 01:52:26,186
there over these last several

4722
01:52:26,186 --> 01:52:26,586
years, and now we

4723
01:52:26,586 --> 01:52:27,588
re starting

4724
01:52:27,588 --> 01:52:27,754
to see the reality of that. So

4725
01:52:27,754 --> 01:52:28,522
it

4726
01:52:28,522 --> 01:52:28,922
s really exciting to see

4727
01:52:28,922 --> 01:52:29,389
that. And we

4728
01:52:29,389 --> 01:52:30,623
re again,

4729
01:52:30,623 --> 01:52:32,626
constantly updating the models

4730
01:52:32,626 --> 01:52:33,961
as new information comes in.

4731
01:52:33,961 --> 01:52:34,995
Um, wastewater rates are set

4732
01:52:34,995 --> 01:52:36,130
based on the rates of those

4733
01:52:36,130 --> 01:52:36,262
underlying processors. We

4734
01:52:36,262 --> 01:52:37,430
ve

4735
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:38,865
talked about that a bit. And

4736
01:52:38,865 --> 01:52:40,330
then storm drainage rates are

4737
01:52:40,330 --> 01:52:41,635
reviewed internally each year,

4738
01:52:41,635 --> 01:52:43,671
and then we have a rate study

4739
01:52:43,671 --> 01:52:44,204
done every 3 to 5 years on

4740
01:52:44,204 --> 01:52:44,671
those ones. They don

4741
01:52:44,671 --> 01:52:45,906
t tend to

4742
01:52:45,906 --> 01:52:46,273
vary quite as much as water

4743
01:52:46,273 --> 01:52:46,940
does or don

4744
01:52:46,940 --> 01:52:48,742
t need. The level

4745
01:52:48,742 --> 01:52:51,110
of monitoring that water does,

4746
01:52:51,110 --> 01:52:52,790
but we do have a rate

4747
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:53,647
consultant. Look at it

4748
01:52:53,647 --> 01:52:53,981
periodically, so we

4749
01:52:53,981 --> 01:52:55,382
ll walk

4750
01:52:55,382 --> 01:52:56,717
through in the next slides what

4751
01:52:56,717 --> 01:52:57,917
we are proposing. And then I do

4752
01:52:57,917 --> 01:52:59,286
have sample bills to show you

4753
01:52:59,286 --> 01:53:01,122
how all of these different

4754
01:53:01,122 --> 01:53:03,900
changes would affect a bill in

4755
01:53:03,900 --> 01:53:03,557
total. So we

4756
01:53:03,557 --> 01:53:05,559
re going to throw

4757
01:53:05,559 --> 01:53:05,792
the big one out there that I am

4758
01:53:05,792 --> 01:53:06,694
sure we

4759
01:53:06,694 --> 01:53:08,462
ll get those questions

4760
01:53:08,462 --> 01:53:09,430
on initially. As water. Water

4761
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:12,232
always gets talked about the

4762
01:53:12,232 --> 01:53:13,968
most. So um, our rate study did

4763
01:53:13,968 --> 01:53:15,168
propose 12%. But I want to

4764
01:53:15,168 --> 01:53:17,804
caveat that with a few

4765
01:53:17,804 --> 01:53:18,872
important things. 12% is not

4766
01:53:18,872 --> 01:53:20,600
for the whole bill, and it is

4767
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:21,575
not even for all of the water

4768
01:53:21,575 --> 01:53:22,843
items. It is for two line items

4769
01:53:22,843 --> 01:53:23,777
on the bill. We also have other

4770
01:53:23,777 --> 01:53:25,450
line items that remain

4771
01:53:25,450 --> 01:53:26,130
unchanged and have remained

4772
01:53:26,130 --> 01:53:27,715
unchanged since they were

4773
01:53:27,715 --> 01:53:30,617
implemented. So when we talk

4774
01:53:30,617 --> 01:53:31,685
about 12%, it is not 12% to the

4775
01:53:31,685 --> 01:53:32,486
overall bill. And when we get

4776
01:53:32,486 --> 01:53:32,686
to the sample bills, I

4777
01:53:32,686 --> 01:53:34,254
ll be

4778
01:53:34,254 --> 01:53:36,423
able to show you that how where

4779
01:53:36,423 --> 01:53:37,825
the 12% is versus some of the

4780
01:53:37,825 --> 01:53:38,250
other line items. So I think

4781
01:53:38,250 --> 01:53:39,360
that

4782
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:41,963
s an important thing to to

4783
01:53:41,963 --> 01:53:44,999
look at. But um, the 12%, as

4784
01:53:44,999 --> 01:53:45,162
far as um, average bill and

4785
01:53:45,162 --> 01:53:46,633
I

4786
01:53:46,633 --> 01:53:48,340
ll just explain this upfront

4787
01:53:48,340 --> 01:53:48,255
when I talk about average bill,

4788
01:53:48,255 --> 01:53:49,437
I

4789
01:53:49,437 --> 01:53:51,400
m talking about indoor usage,

4790
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:52,906
which is 4000 gallons per month

4791
01:53:52,906 --> 01:53:54,410
for most customers. So just for

4792
01:53:54,410 --> 01:53:55,242
consistency, I know people

4793
01:53:55,242 --> 01:53:56,444
have, you know, some have large

4794
01:53:56,444 --> 01:53:57,744
yards, some have small yards,

4795
01:53:57,744 --> 01:53:57,945
some have zero escape yards.

4796
01:53:57,945 --> 01:53:59,146
There

4797
01:53:59,146 --> 01:54:00,481
s a lot of variation

4798
01:54:00,481 --> 01:54:01,248
there. So we use just average

4799
01:54:01,248 --> 01:54:01,682
indoor usage when we

4800
01:54:01,682 --> 01:54:03,682
re talking

4801
01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:06,687
about comparability. Um, for an

4802
01:54:06,687 --> 01:54:09,323
average bill or average user

4803
01:54:09,323 --> 01:54:09,539
this 12% is $4 a month. So that

4804
01:54:09,539 --> 01:54:10,324
won

4805
01:54:10,324 --> 01:54:12,193
t buy you a latte at

4806
01:54:12,193 --> 01:54:14,128
Starbucks, which is its own

4807
01:54:14,128 --> 01:54:14,529
issue. And kind of sad, but,

4808
01:54:14,529 --> 01:54:16,430
um, it

4809
01:54:16,430 --> 01:54:18,990
s $4 a month. Is the

4810
01:54:18,990 --> 01:54:20,634
impact on a standard indoor

4811
01:54:20,634 --> 01:54:21,435
bill? Um, the other area on

4812
01:54:21,435 --> 01:54:21,769
here, um, that

4813
01:54:21,769 --> 01:54:22,169
s that

4814
01:54:22,169 --> 01:54:24,138
s a bit

4815
01:54:24,138 --> 01:54:25,707
new. Is this non-potable? Um,

4816
01:54:25,707 --> 01:54:26,974
so non-potable water is

4817
01:54:26,974 --> 01:54:29,430
irrigation only. We now have

4818
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:30,377
our less reservoir online, um,

4819
01:54:30,377 --> 01:54:31,545
providing non-potable water.

4820
01:54:31,545 --> 01:54:33,614
This is really good news for

4821
01:54:33,614 --> 01:54:34,748
water conservation. Um, our

4822
01:54:34,748 --> 01:54:34,936
non-potable customers, we

4823
01:54:34,936 --> 01:54:36,160
re

4824
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:37,751
actually one of the biggest

4825
01:54:37,751 --> 01:54:38,919
ones is our parks department

4826
01:54:38,919 --> 01:54:40,521
using non-potable water for

4827
01:54:40,521 --> 01:54:43,323
parks, which saves us some

4828
01:54:43,323 --> 01:54:44,959
money on water fees there. Um,

4829
01:54:44,959 --> 01:54:45,392
but it is only irrigation

4830
01:54:45,392 --> 01:54:46,193
accounts. It

4831
01:54:46,193 --> 01:54:47,362
s only

4832
01:54:47,362 --> 01:54:47,595
non-residential. We don

4833
01:54:47,595 --> 01:54:48,929
t have

4834
01:54:48,929 --> 01:54:50,531
any residential accounts using

4835
01:54:50,531 --> 01:54:51,766
non-potable. But one of the

4836
01:54:51,766 --> 01:54:53,100
things we realized bringing

4837
01:54:53,100 --> 01:54:54,568
that online is we had one rate

4838
01:54:54,568 --> 01:54:56,237
for non-potable. Rather than

4839
01:54:56,237 --> 01:54:58,720
having rates set up for

4840
01:54:58,720 --> 01:54:59,640
residential versus

4841
01:54:59,640 --> 01:54:59,873
non-residential. So what we

4842
01:54:59,873 --> 01:55:01,542
re

4843
01:55:01,542 --> 01:55:02,409
proposing here is that we break

4844
01:55:02,409 --> 01:55:04,545
that out. We have our

4845
01:55:04,545 --> 01:55:06,140
residential and then have

4846
01:55:06,140 --> 01:55:07,448
multi-unit and non-residential,

4847
01:55:07,448 --> 01:55:09,183
have their own rates. And

4848
01:55:09,183 --> 01:55:10,485
actually, um, the rates on

4849
01:55:10,485 --> 01:55:12,219
those well, I presented them

4850
01:55:12,219 --> 01:55:14,619
here as percentages of

4851
01:55:15,390 --> 01:55:16,824
irrigation rates, multi-unit

4852
01:55:16,824 --> 01:55:18,693
and non-residential are both

4853
01:55:18,693 --> 01:55:19,660
the same would be 375 per

4854
01:55:19,660 --> 01:55:21,529
thousand gallons, whereas

4855
01:55:21,529 --> 01:55:21,740
residential is 351. It

4856
01:55:21,740 --> 01:55:23,731
s

4857
01:55:23,731 --> 01:55:23,865
currently 317. So again, we

4858
01:55:23,865 --> 01:55:24,932
re

4859
01:55:24,932 --> 01:55:27,100
kind of setting it based on a

4860
01:55:27,100 --> 01:55:28,836
percentage of irrigation costs.

4861
01:55:28,836 --> 01:55:30,739
The reason non-potable is so

4862
01:55:30,739 --> 01:55:31,806
much lower than regular water,

4863
01:55:31,806 --> 01:55:32,574
potable water is because it

4864
01:55:32,574 --> 01:55:33,641
does not need to go to the

4865
01:55:33,641 --> 01:55:34,776
water treatment plant. It does

4866
01:55:34,776 --> 01:55:34,942
not need treatment or anything.

4867
01:55:34,942 --> 01:55:36,942
It

4868
01:55:37,110 --> 01:55:37,187
s just going and straight as

4869
01:55:37,187 --> 01:55:39,187
it

4870
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:40,948
s found. Um, also

4871
01:55:40,948 --> 01:55:41,415
non-potable accounts because

4872
01:55:41,415 --> 01:55:43,170
they don

4873
01:55:43,170 --> 01:55:43,217
t have, um, they

4874
01:55:43,217 --> 01:55:43,785
aren

4875
01:55:43,785 --> 01:55:43,951
t doing treatment, they

4876
01:55:43,951 --> 01:55:44,685
don

4877
01:55:44,685 --> 01:55:45,353
t pay the water treatment

4878
01:55:45,353 --> 01:55:45,586
plant fee and they don

4879
01:55:45,586 --> 01:55:46,887
t pay

4880
01:55:46,887 --> 01:55:48,489
the contract water surcharge.

4881
01:55:48,489 --> 01:55:50,658
So those accounts see a

4882
01:55:50,658 --> 01:55:53,580
significantly lower rate. Um,

4883
01:55:55,129 --> 01:55:56,431
overall. So I included this

4884
01:55:56,431 --> 01:55:57,832
slide on our water rate history

4885
01:55:57,832 --> 01:55:59,670
just to provide some

4886
01:55:59,670 --> 01:56:00,134
perspective. We do track these

4887
01:56:00,134 --> 01:56:02,370
over time. And again this is

4888
01:56:02,370 --> 01:56:03,672
looking at average um 4000

4889
01:56:03,672 --> 01:56:06,672
gallon per month average indoor

4890
01:56:07,308 --> 01:56:08,410
usage over time. Um, so looking

4891
01:56:08,410 --> 01:56:09,377
back ten years, you can see in

4892
01:56:09,377 --> 01:56:10,378
here kind of that interesting

4893
01:56:10,378 --> 01:56:11,612
time period where we lowered

4894
01:56:11,612 --> 01:56:11,813
our rates for a few years, but

4895
01:56:11,813 --> 01:56:13,140
they

4896
01:56:13,140 --> 01:56:15,483
re very stagnant for for

4897
01:56:15,483 --> 01:56:16,918
quite some time. Um, but on

4898
01:56:16,918 --> 01:56:18,753
average over the last ten

4899
01:56:18,753 --> 01:56:20,988
years, the water bill for a

4900
01:56:20,988 --> 01:56:23,988
4000 gallon per month user has

4901
01:56:26,627 --> 01:56:28,960
gone up about $13.58. So $1.30

4902
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:28,263
per year on average is what

4903
01:56:28,263 --> 01:56:29,731
we

4904
01:56:29,731 --> 01:56:30,598
re seeing. So, um, and the

4905
01:56:30,598 --> 01:56:30,965
breakout here between the

4906
01:56:30,965 --> 01:56:31,700
colors, that

4907
01:56:31,700 --> 01:56:33,568
s your fixed

4908
01:56:33,568 --> 01:56:34,970
charges versus your usage based

4909
01:56:34,970 --> 01:56:36,237
charges. But I just provide

4910
01:56:36,237 --> 01:56:37,672
this to just give some context

4911
01:56:37,672 --> 01:56:38,306
that, yeah, the rates have gone

4912
01:56:38,306 --> 01:56:38,973
up, but they

4913
01:56:38,973 --> 01:56:41,373
re kind of going

4914
01:56:41,576 --> 01:56:42,844
up at $1.36 per year. Um, you

4915
01:56:42,844 --> 01:56:45,244
know, pretty nominal amount

4916
01:56:47,114 --> 01:56:49,514
over time. All right.

4917
01:56:49,784 --> 01:56:51,185
Mayor Pro Tem got a question.

4918
01:56:51,185 --> 01:56:51,853
Um, just to make sure you

4919
01:56:51,853 --> 01:56:53,853
re

4920
01:56:54,220 --> 01:56:55,490
proposing a 12% increase to

4921
01:56:55,490 --> 01:56:56,858
each of the tiers at which

4922
01:56:56,858 --> 01:56:58,292
water is charged.

4923
01:56:58,292 --> 01:56:59,928
Yes, it would be for the the

4924
01:56:59,928 --> 01:57:01,396
fixed service charge and then

4925
01:57:01,396 --> 01:57:02,997
the usage based charge. And

4926
01:57:02,997 --> 01:57:03,331
those are tiered based on usage

4927
01:57:03,331 --> 01:57:05,331
amounts.

4928
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:06,968
But each tier same same

4929
01:57:06,968 --> 01:57:07,335
percentage increase. Yes.

4930
01:57:07,335 --> 01:57:09,335
Okay.

4931
01:57:09,637 --> 01:57:10,772
The other line items. Sorry.

4932
01:57:10,772 --> 01:57:12,740
The other line items like the

4933
01:57:12,740 --> 01:57:13,575
water treatment plan fee, the

4934
01:57:13,575 --> 01:57:14,442
contract water surcharge will

4935
01:57:14,442 --> 01:57:14,843
not be changing.

4936
01:57:14,843 --> 01:57:16,440
They remain.

4937
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:17,412
In charge. Those are remaining

4938
01:57:17,412 --> 01:57:17,612
constant, which is good. We

4939
01:57:17,612 --> 01:57:18,980
weren

4940
01:57:18,980 --> 01:57:21,449
t at that six year point

4941
01:57:21,449 --> 01:57:24,449
yet that would contemplate, uh,

4942
01:57:24,953 --> 01:57:26,454
doing an additional, uh. Do you

4943
01:57:26,454 --> 01:57:26,989
have a I know you

4944
01:57:26,989 --> 01:57:28,390
ll get to a

4945
01:57:28,390 --> 01:57:30,791
sample bill shortly, but you

4946
01:57:30,791 --> 01:57:32,160
also have the sample data for a

4947
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:34,560
typical irrigation or an

4948
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:36,565
average year irrigation month.

4949
01:57:36,565 --> 01:57:38,400
Um, I think last time we did

4950
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:39,100
this, we had that one. Also, as

4951
01:57:39,100 --> 01:57:40,102
a comparison.

4952
01:57:40,102 --> 01:57:40,268
We do have that. Yeah. I don

4953
01:57:40,268 --> 01:57:41,903
t

4954
01:57:41,903 --> 01:57:43,238
have that in my slides here. I

4955
01:57:43,238 --> 01:57:43,438
have it on my computer. I can

4956
01:57:43,438 --> 01:57:44,720
share.

4957
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:44,305
It with you. Okay. We

4958
01:57:44,305 --> 01:57:45,507
re not

4959
01:57:45,507 --> 01:57:46,207
there yet. So it

4960
01:57:46,207 --> 01:57:46,349
s okay. But

4961
01:57:46,349 --> 01:57:47,675
I

4962
01:57:47,675 --> 01:57:48,176
ll be curious. When would you

4963
01:57:48,176 --> 01:57:49,812
get there.

4964
01:57:49,812 --> 01:57:51,280
Yeah. And then the variation

4965
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:52,714
does, you know, when you get

4966
01:57:52,714 --> 01:57:53,415
into those higher tiers, you

4967
01:57:53,415 --> 01:57:53,715
definitely see.

4968
01:57:53,715 --> 01:57:53,916
Yeah.

4969
01:57:53,916 --> 01:57:54,549
There

4970
01:57:54,549 --> 01:57:55,550
s a change.

4971
01:57:55,550 --> 01:57:55,717
Yeah. Okay. Thanks.

4972
01:57:55,717 --> 01:57:57,717
We

4973
01:57:57,819 --> 01:58:00,255
re not rewarding. Just the

4974
01:58:00,255 --> 01:58:04,455
one you know. First tier. No, I

4975
01:58:04,526 --> 01:58:05,994
just leaving that alone. Yep.

4976
01:58:05,994 --> 01:58:08,196
Then on our water, our

4977
01:58:08,196 --> 01:58:09,231
wastewater. Sorry. And storm

4978
01:58:09,231 --> 01:58:10,398
um, again our waste on our

4979
01:58:10,398 --> 01:58:11,433
wastewater, our approach there

4980
01:58:11,433 --> 01:58:12,901
is to pass through the rate

4981
01:58:12,901 --> 01:58:14,436
increases that are approved by

4982
01:58:14,436 --> 01:58:16,710
our processors. Metro water

4983
01:58:16,710 --> 01:58:17,505
recovery and lock Bui. Metro

4984
01:58:17,505 --> 01:58:19,808
Water Recovery has already

4985
01:58:19,808 --> 01:58:20,275
approved the 6.5% increase. So

4986
01:58:20,275 --> 01:58:21,900
that is what we

4987
01:58:21,900 --> 01:58:22,644
re proposing

4988
01:58:22,644 --> 01:58:24,790
there. Um, the Lockwood Sewer

4989
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:26,382
Board has not formally proposed

4990
01:58:26,382 --> 01:58:27,816
any rate increases for 2027

4991
01:58:27,816 --> 01:58:29,251
yet. If they were to do that,

4992
01:58:29,251 --> 01:58:29,985
we would do some analysis and

4993
01:58:29,985 --> 01:58:31,587
come back to you with a

4994
01:58:31,587 --> 01:58:32,988
proposal to address that. But

4995
01:58:32,988 --> 01:58:34,790
as of now, nothing has been

4996
01:58:34,790 --> 01:58:36,425
proposed. Um, and then on the

4997
01:58:36,425 --> 01:58:39,425
storm drainage side, um, coming

4998
01:58:39,661 --> 01:58:41,429
off of that rate study in 2025,

4999
01:58:41,429 --> 01:58:43,365
we were recommending a $3 per

5000
01:58:43,365 --> 01:58:44,333
acre sets, $3 per single family

5001
01:58:44,333 --> 01:58:44,866
home. Um, if it

5002
01:58:44,866 --> 01:58:45,113
s commercial,

5003
01:58:45,113 --> 01:58:45,967
then it

5004
01:58:45,967 --> 01:58:47,303
s based on the amount

5005
01:58:47,303 --> 01:58:48,437
of square footage of impervious

5006
01:58:48,437 --> 01:58:49,872
area they have. But for single

5007
01:58:49,872 --> 01:58:51,407
family home, it would be the $3

5008
01:58:51,407 --> 01:58:54,943
per month would be the change.

5009
01:58:54,943 --> 01:58:57,379
There. So then these are the

5010
01:58:57,379 --> 01:58:58,413
sample bills. And I show them

5011
01:58:58,413 --> 01:58:59,414
for Metro water recovery and

5012
01:58:59,414 --> 01:59:01,217
lock both separately because

5013
01:59:01,217 --> 01:59:01,416
their wastewater fees that

5014
01:59:01,416 --> 01:59:02,818
they

5015
01:59:02,818 --> 01:59:04,860
re paying are different.

5016
01:59:04,860 --> 01:59:04,319
Um, one thing so you

5017
01:59:04,319 --> 01:59:05,754
ll note

5018
01:59:05,754 --> 01:59:07,923
that the water rates on either

5019
01:59:07,923 --> 01:59:11,590
side are the same, um, going up

5020
01:59:11,590 --> 01:59:11,227
by just about $4 per month.

5021
01:59:11,227 --> 01:59:13,227
It

5022
01:59:13,462 --> 01:59:14,830
s actually $3.98 per month

5023
01:59:14,830 --> 01:59:15,830
based on that 12% increase. But

5024
01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:16,866
what you can see here is you

5025
01:59:16,866 --> 01:59:17,650
got that flat charge. That

5026
01:59:17,650 --> 01:59:18,867
s

5027
01:59:18,867 --> 01:59:20,335
the service fee that went up by

5028
01:59:20,335 --> 01:59:20,636
about $2, and then you

5029
01:59:20,636 --> 01:59:21,737
ve got

5030
01:59:21,737 --> 01:59:23,438
the usage fee on the bottom.

5031
01:59:23,438 --> 01:59:24,840
That went up by about $2. But

5032
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:26,575
these other line items remained

5033
01:59:26,575 --> 01:59:27,442
unchanged. That water treatment

5034
01:59:27,442 --> 01:59:28,844
plant fee has been in place

5035
01:59:28,844 --> 01:59:29,612
since 2022, when we broke

5036
01:59:29,612 --> 01:59:29,778
ground on the plant that

5037
01:59:29,778 --> 01:59:31,380
s

5038
01:59:31,380 --> 01:59:32,647
finishing up this year. And

5039
01:59:32,647 --> 01:59:34,149
that is scheduled to remain

5040
01:59:34,149 --> 01:59:36,352
flat. And then the contract

5041
01:59:36,352 --> 01:59:38,221
water surcharge at 460 has been

5042
01:59:38,221 --> 01:59:39,821
in place far longer than I have

5043
01:59:39,821 --> 01:59:40,956
been here and has been for 60

5044
01:59:40,956 --> 01:59:43,192
the entire time. That one has

5045
01:59:43,192 --> 01:59:45,393
never changed. Um, on the

5046
01:59:45,393 --> 01:59:45,561
wastewater side, um, again,

5047
01:59:45,561 --> 01:59:46,929
you

5048
01:59:46,929 --> 01:59:48,597
ll see the rates here are

5049
01:59:48,597 --> 01:59:50,565
quite different between the two

5050
01:59:50,565 --> 01:59:52,368
processors. Um, what Metro

5051
01:59:52,368 --> 01:59:53,836
Water Recovery does review and

5052
01:59:53,836 --> 01:59:55,338
approve rate increases every

5053
01:59:55,338 --> 01:59:56,338
year. Luckily has not approved

5054
01:59:56,338 --> 01:59:58,106
a rate increase for several

5055
01:59:58,106 --> 01:59:59,875
years now, so their rates have

5056
01:59:59,875 --> 02:00:02,875
stayed very, very, very much,

5057
02:00:03,112 --> 02:00:04,446
um, much lower if they, um, you

5058
02:00:04,446 --> 02:00:05,914
know, do need to do an

5059
02:00:05,914 --> 02:00:06,749
increase, we would pass. We

5060
02:00:06,749 --> 02:00:07,650
probably have to recommend

5061
02:00:07,650 --> 02:00:09,318
passing that through as well

5062
02:00:09,318 --> 02:00:10,219
just to keep our increases, our

5063
02:00:10,219 --> 02:00:11,954
costs that we pay them for

5064
02:00:11,954 --> 02:00:13,880
processing. So but I do want to

5065
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:14,523
point that out that there is a

5066
02:00:14,523 --> 02:00:16,325
pretty large difference between

5067
02:00:16,325 --> 02:00:16,692
the two. Um, and then on storm

5068
02:00:16,692 --> 02:00:17,727
drainage, you

5069
02:00:17,727 --> 02:00:20,127
ll see the $3 per

5070
02:00:20,229 --> 02:00:22,640
month difference there. So

5071
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:23,433
looking at total bill for a

5072
02:00:23,433 --> 02:00:25,834
metro customer, we are looking

5073
02:00:25,834 --> 02:00:27,336
at around a 10% effective

5074
02:00:27,336 --> 02:00:28,938
increase. After all of those

5075
02:00:28,938 --> 02:00:31,207
things are considered, or about

5076
02:00:31,207 --> 02:00:32,241
$9.62, that will buy you a

5077
02:00:32,241 --> 02:00:32,408
latte at Starbucks. It

5078
02:00:32,408 --> 02:00:33,509
ll

5079
02:00:33,509 --> 02:00:35,211
actually buy you one and a half

5080
02:00:35,211 --> 02:00:36,446
lattes at Starbucks. Based on

5081
02:00:36,446 --> 02:00:38,147
current prices, and depending

5082
02:00:38,147 --> 02:00:39,480
on how many syrups you get, um,

5083
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:39,253
on the town of Lake Bui, it

5084
02:00:39,253 --> 02:00:41,253
s

5085
02:00:41,917 --> 02:00:42,618
going up by just under $7 per

5086
02:00:42,618 --> 02:00:44,820
month. Based on these

5087
02:00:44,820 --> 02:00:45,488
proposals. And again, a latte

5088
02:00:45,488 --> 02:00:46,880
with a tip. That

5089
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:46,256
s about what

5090
02:00:46,256 --> 02:00:48,570
you

5091
02:00:48,570 --> 02:00:50,493
ll get. So trying to equate

5092
02:00:50,493 --> 02:00:53,395
these two coffees, uh, because

5093
02:00:53,395 --> 02:00:54,831
we all like to stay caffeinated.

5094
02:00:54,831 --> 02:00:56,265
So this next slide here is our

5095
02:00:56,265 --> 02:00:57,834
comparisons. And this is always

5096
02:00:57,834 --> 02:00:59,101
an important slide to see. This

5097
02:00:59,101 --> 02:01:00,603
is looking just at the water

5098
02:01:00,603 --> 02:01:03,839
costs because that is the one

5099
02:01:03,839 --> 02:01:05,908
that um gets a lot of

5100
02:01:05,908 --> 02:01:06,976
attention. Uh, we are currently

5101
02:01:06,976 --> 02:01:08,511
again this going back to our

5102
02:01:08,511 --> 02:01:10,613
previous slide averaging around

5103
02:01:10,613 --> 02:01:12,415
$44 per month and proposing

5104
02:01:12,415 --> 02:01:13,349
going up to about $48 per

5105
02:01:13,349 --> 02:01:15,284
month. So you can see these

5106
02:01:15,284 --> 02:01:15,952
orange columns are where we are

5107
02:01:15,952 --> 02:01:16,519
now and where we

5108
02:01:16,519 --> 02:01:18,210
re proposing

5109
02:01:18,210 --> 02:01:18,988
to be. Everybody else on here,

5110
02:01:18,988 --> 02:01:21,123
I do want to point out this is

5111
02:01:21,123 --> 02:01:22,859
their 2026 rates. We do not

5112
02:01:22,859 --> 02:01:24,930
have 2027 approved rates for

5113
02:01:24,930 --> 02:01:25,594
most of these communities, or

5114
02:01:25,594 --> 02:01:25,728
almost any of them. Um, we

5115
02:01:25,728 --> 02:01:26,863
re

5116
02:01:26,863 --> 02:01:27,396
doing some research today. I

5117
02:01:27,396 --> 02:01:28,331
know we do have some

5118
02:01:28,331 --> 02:01:30,566
communities that have already

5119
02:01:30,566 --> 02:01:32,936
approved upwards of 10%, others

5120
02:01:32,936 --> 02:01:33,970
that are proposing up to 15.

5121
02:01:33,970 --> 02:01:34,136
Um, a lot of them. What I

5122
02:01:34,136 --> 02:01:35,505
m

5123
02:01:35,505 --> 02:01:36,706
seeing, though, um, is

5124
02:01:36,706 --> 02:01:39,750
somewhere in like the, you

5125
02:01:39,750 --> 02:01:39,242
know, 7 to 9% range is what

5126
02:01:39,242 --> 02:01:40,543
we

5127
02:01:40,543 --> 02:01:41,444
re seeing proposed. A lot of

5128
02:01:41,444 --> 02:01:43,246
them have not published

5129
02:01:43,246 --> 02:01:44,130
anything yet. So, um, we

5130
02:01:44,130 --> 02:01:44,147
anticipate of course, they

5131
02:01:44,147 --> 02:01:45,615
re

5132
02:01:45,615 --> 02:01:46,716
going to be seeing cost

5133
02:01:46,716 --> 02:01:47,851
increases, um, due to

5134
02:01:47,851 --> 02:01:50,353
inflation, just like we are.

5135
02:01:50,353 --> 02:01:51,521
So, uh, as they all go up, you

5136
02:01:51,521 --> 02:01:51,655
know, this looks like we

5137
02:01:51,655 --> 02:01:53,890
re

5138
02:01:53,890 --> 02:01:54,230
going to be moving up and above

5139
02:01:54,230 --> 02:01:55,224
average, but that average

5140
02:01:55,224 --> 02:01:56,158
number is going to move up as

5141
02:01:56,158 --> 02:01:57,360
we see what those other

5142
02:01:57,360 --> 02:01:59,760
communities are proposing for

5143
02:02:03,233 --> 02:02:04,767
their own increases. So with

5144
02:02:04,767 --> 02:02:04,901
that we are under questions.

5145
02:02:04,901 --> 02:02:05,402
I

5146
02:02:05,402 --> 02:02:06,436
ll stay here on the

5147
02:02:06,436 --> 02:02:06,736
comparison slide, because I

5148
02:02:06,736 --> 02:02:08,304
think that

5149
02:02:08,304 --> 02:02:08,705
s got a more

5150
02:02:08,705 --> 02:02:09,940
information.

5151
02:02:09,940 --> 02:02:11,374
So Member Carbajal.

5152
02:02:11,374 --> 02:02:12,842
Yeah, I just I just more want

5153
02:02:12,842 --> 02:02:14,210
to speak to like my feelings

5154
02:02:14,210 --> 02:02:15,946
around raising the water

5155
02:02:15,946 --> 02:02:16,946
prices. I think I totally

5156
02:02:16,946 --> 02:02:18,347
understand that we obviously

5157
02:02:18,347 --> 02:02:19,649
have to recoup for building the

5158
02:02:19,649 --> 02:02:20,516
new infrastructure. And I

5159
02:02:20,516 --> 02:02:22,850
understand what that looks

5160
02:02:22,850 --> 02:02:23,987
like. And I see that $6 in that

5161
02:02:23,987 --> 02:02:25,880
fourth 50 fee that have been

5162
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:26,289
imposed, kind of, I think, to

5163
02:02:26,289 --> 02:02:28,910
make up for some of that

5164
02:02:28,910 --> 02:02:30,593
ground. But I think one of the

5165
02:02:30,593 --> 02:02:30,760
concerns I have is, um, for me,

5166
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:31,293
it

5167
02:02:31,293 --> 02:02:32,290
s easy to it

5168
02:02:32,290 --> 02:02:33,262
s it is a

5169
02:02:33,262 --> 02:02:34,970
Starbucks and a latte. But for

5170
02:02:34,970 --> 02:02:34,231
a lot of our community, they

5171
02:02:34,231 --> 02:02:35,198
re

5172
02:02:35,198 --> 02:02:35,365
not going to Starbucks and they

5173
02:02:35,365 --> 02:02:36,366
can

5174
02:02:36,366 --> 02:02:38,968
t afford to feed their

5175
02:02:38,968 --> 02:02:40,670
families. So, um, my question

5176
02:02:40,670 --> 02:02:42,272
is, is like, how are we

5177
02:02:42,272 --> 02:02:43,139
ensuring that we can make

5178
02:02:43,139 --> 02:02:45,308
people this? Because you said

5179
02:02:45,308 --> 02:02:46,776
it was $1.36 over ten years,

5180
02:02:46,776 --> 02:02:46,943
year over year, but now we

5181
02:02:46,943 --> 02:02:48,779
re

5182
02:02:48,779 --> 02:02:49,846
looking at a 10% increase in

5183
02:02:49,846 --> 02:02:50,413
just one year. That

5184
02:02:50,413 --> 02:02:51,782
s a pretty

5185
02:02:51,782 --> 02:02:52,982
significant jump for some of

5186
02:02:52,982 --> 02:02:55,510
the families in our community

5187
02:02:55,510 --> 02:02:56,520
looking at equity. And I think

5188
02:02:56,520 --> 02:02:56,786
like, yes, it

5189
02:02:56,786 --> 02:02:58,786
s a Starbucks

5190
02:02:58,788 --> 02:02:59,455
drink. If we have privilege.

5191
02:02:59,455 --> 02:03:00,890
Um, and if we don

5192
02:03:00,890 --> 02:03:02,580
t, how are we

5193
02:03:02,580 --> 02:03:03,226
ensuring this? And then the

5194
02:03:03,226 --> 02:03:04,260
trust of our community is

5195
02:03:04,260 --> 02:03:06,529
really important when we think

5196
02:03:06,529 --> 02:03:06,797
about partnership. And I wasn

5197
02:03:06,797 --> 02:03:08,980
t

5198
02:03:08,980 --> 02:03:09,332
serving on council when we lost

5199
02:03:09,332 --> 02:03:10,501
a lot of trust for water, but

5200
02:03:10,501 --> 02:03:12,340
my husband actually worked in

5201
02:03:12,340 --> 02:03:12,569
the water department, and I

5202
02:03:12,569 --> 02:03:13,360
still think there

5203
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:13,703
s a bitter

5204
02:03:13,703 --> 02:03:14,370
taste in our community

5205
02:03:14,370 --> 02:03:15,720
s mouths

5206
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:15,538
around this. And there

5207
02:03:15,538 --> 02:03:16,706
s stuff

5208
02:03:16,706 --> 02:03:17,908
that comes out every year. So

5209
02:03:17,908 --> 02:03:20,743
how are we combating that when

5210
02:03:20,743 --> 02:03:21,878
it comes to, um, communication

5211
02:03:21,878 --> 02:03:23,790
as well? So those are some of

5212
02:03:23,790 --> 02:03:24,948
my questions, thoughts,

5213
02:03:24,948 --> 02:03:26,160
concerns when it comes to this

5214
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:27,718
topic.

5215
02:03:27,718 --> 02:03:28,952
So great question around how

5216
02:03:28,952 --> 02:03:29,953
are we helping our most

5217
02:03:29,953 --> 02:03:31,822
vulnerable customers. So we

5218
02:03:31,822 --> 02:03:33,590
have a water assistance program

5219
02:03:33,590 --> 02:03:35,990
that provides, um, currently

5220
02:03:36,493 --> 02:03:37,361
$500 a year for um, for our

5221
02:03:37,361 --> 02:03:38,695
customers that are having

5222
02:03:38,695 --> 02:03:39,896
trouble paying their bill. We

5223
02:03:39,896 --> 02:03:41,998
are proposing increasing that

5224
02:03:41,998 --> 02:03:43,300
to $600 a year, knowing that we

5225
02:03:43,300 --> 02:03:44,301
have kept it at $500 for

5226
02:03:44,301 --> 02:03:44,701
several years now. So it

5227
02:03:44,701 --> 02:03:45,835
s time

5228
02:03:45,835 --> 02:03:45,969
to increase that. So we

5229
02:03:45,969 --> 02:03:46,937
ve

5230
02:03:46,937 --> 02:03:47,637
talked about that internally

5231
02:03:47,637 --> 02:03:48,238
already. That

5232
02:03:48,238 --> 02:03:49,600
s an internal

5233
02:03:49,600 --> 02:03:49,539
policy. So that

5234
02:03:49,539 --> 02:03:50,841
s not something

5235
02:03:50,841 --> 02:03:53,100
that would typically come to

5236
02:03:53,100 --> 02:03:54,770
council. But um is a good data

5237
02:03:54,770 --> 02:03:55,879
point here that we do have that

5238
02:03:55,879 --> 02:03:56,279
program available. Um we

5239
02:03:56,279 --> 02:03:57,747
ve

5240
02:03:57,747 --> 02:04:00,250
allocated in the past up to

5241
02:04:00,250 --> 02:04:01,352
125,000. And we do use it, um,

5242
02:04:01,352 --> 02:04:02,652
throughout the year for

5243
02:04:02,652 --> 02:04:04,454
customers that that need that

5244
02:04:04,454 --> 02:04:05,288
help. So that is one of those

5245
02:04:05,288 --> 02:04:06,456
tools we have.

5246
02:04:06,456 --> 02:04:08,124
Can you talk to me about like

5247
02:04:08,124 --> 02:04:09,693
what are the parameters for

5248
02:04:09,693 --> 02:04:11,280
that? And does it require them

5249
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:12,595
coming to ask for that

5250
02:04:12,595 --> 02:04:13,664
services. Um, does it

5251
02:04:13,664 --> 02:04:15,320
automatically when it goes into

5252
02:04:15,320 --> 02:04:16,466
default. Open a conversation

5253
02:04:16,466 --> 02:04:17,567
for that type of service. What

5254
02:04:17,567 --> 02:04:19,536
does that look like in terms of

5255
02:04:19,536 --> 02:04:21,138
them having access to that

5256
02:04:21,138 --> 02:04:23,573
community service piece or that

5257
02:04:23,573 --> 02:04:25,573
community like piece?

5258
02:04:25,576 --> 02:04:26,744
No. Great question. So they do

5259
02:04:26,744 --> 02:04:26,876
have to apply because we don

5260
02:04:26,876 --> 02:04:27,611
t

5261
02:04:27,611 --> 02:04:27,778
want it to go to people who

5262
02:04:27,778 --> 02:04:28,678
don

5263
02:04:28,678 --> 02:04:30,114
t need it. Right? So there

5264
02:04:30,114 --> 02:04:31,482
are some, uh, some

5265
02:04:31,482 --> 02:04:32,515
qualifications. If somebody is

5266
02:04:32,515 --> 02:04:33,583
already receiving assistance

5267
02:04:33,583 --> 02:04:34,485
from the county, like tanf,

5268
02:04:34,485 --> 02:04:35,219
food stamps, something like

5269
02:04:35,219 --> 02:04:37,219
that, they automatically

5270
02:04:37,687 --> 02:04:38,656
qualify. So, um, typically if

5271
02:04:38,656 --> 02:04:39,589
somebody is having trouble

5272
02:04:39,589 --> 02:04:40,290
paying their bill, if they call

5273
02:04:40,290 --> 02:04:40,824
us and say, hey, I can

5274
02:04:40,824 --> 02:04:41,458
t pay my

5275
02:04:41,458 --> 02:04:42,930
bill, I don

5276
02:04:42,930 --> 02:04:42,460
t want to get shut

5277
02:04:42,460 --> 02:04:43,127
off, that

5278
02:04:43,127 --> 02:04:44,295
s the first thing we

5279
02:04:44,295 --> 02:04:44,995
do is we ask them, okay, have

5280
02:04:44,995 --> 02:04:46,564
you looked at the water

5281
02:04:46,564 --> 02:04:47,598
assistance program? Are you

5282
02:04:47,598 --> 02:04:48,532
receiving other assistance?

5283
02:04:48,532 --> 02:04:50,267
Because that will easily

5284
02:04:50,267 --> 02:04:50,500
qualify you. Um, so that

5285
02:04:50,500 --> 02:04:51,568
s kind

5286
02:04:51,568 --> 02:04:51,802
of the process we go through.

5287
02:04:51,802 --> 02:04:52,870
If they

5288
02:04:52,870 --> 02:04:54,338
re still having trouble

5289
02:04:54,338 --> 02:04:56,600
after that, we typically refer

5290
02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:57,107
them to Almost Home because,

5291
02:04:57,107 --> 02:04:58,608
you know, while we MAY not have

5292
02:04:58,608 --> 02:04:59,610
additional money for their

5293
02:04:59,610 --> 02:05:00,745
water bill, maybe they can get

5294
02:05:00,745 --> 02:05:01,712
rental assistance or something

5295
02:05:01,712 --> 02:05:03,247
else to help them in other

5296
02:05:03,247 --> 02:05:04,581
areas of their life. That helps

5297
02:05:04,581 --> 02:05:04,882
balance that out. So that

5298
02:05:04,882 --> 02:05:05,849
s

5299
02:05:05,849 --> 02:05:07,184
where we leverage that

5300
02:05:07,184 --> 02:05:08,986
partnership with Almost Home.

5301
02:05:08,986 --> 02:05:10,454
And when we go to increase, do

5302
02:05:10,454 --> 02:05:11,622
we allow people in our

5303
02:05:11,622 --> 02:05:11,757
community to know that there

5304
02:05:11,757 --> 02:05:13,124
s

5305
02:05:13,124 --> 02:05:14,792
this water assistance program,

5306
02:05:14,792 --> 02:05:14,992
or do we kind of wait until

5307
02:05:14,992 --> 02:05:16,159
they

5308
02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:17,394
re asking for support? And

5309
02:05:17,394 --> 02:05:18,362
if we were to go out and say,

5310
02:05:18,362 --> 02:05:19,363
hey, we have this water

5311
02:05:19,363 --> 02:05:19,529
assistance program, we

5312
02:05:19,529 --> 02:05:21,299
re

5313
02:05:21,299 --> 02:05:22,990
raising your bill 10%, would we

5314
02:05:22,990 --> 02:05:22,299
see a sweep? And it wouldn

5315
02:05:22,299 --> 02:05:23,534
t

5316
02:05:23,534 --> 02:05:24,468
even help to raise it 10%.

5317
02:05:24,468 --> 02:05:25,569
These are the questions that I

5318
02:05:25,569 --> 02:05:26,537
think might be important here

5319
02:05:26,537 --> 02:05:28,537
in our community.

5320
02:05:28,538 --> 02:05:29,507
So we do put it out on our

5321
02:05:29,507 --> 02:05:30,741
Facebook page a couple of times

5322
02:05:30,741 --> 02:05:32,420
a year. And we always see a

5323
02:05:32,420 --> 02:05:33,844
little bit of a spike in

5324
02:05:33,844 --> 02:05:35,179
applications when that happens.

5325
02:05:35,179 --> 02:05:36,313
Um, we always see a spike in

5326
02:05:36,313 --> 02:05:38,149
applications in JANUARY when

5327
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:39,349
the program renews. In fact,

5328
02:05:39,349 --> 02:05:41,385
roughly half of the money it

5329
02:05:41,385 --> 02:05:42,253
gets used in about the first 3

5330
02:05:42,253 --> 02:05:43,954
to 4 months of the year.

5331
02:05:43,954 --> 02:05:45,122
Because people who use this

5332
02:05:45,122 --> 02:05:45,756
that qualify have qualified in

5333
02:05:45,756 --> 02:05:45,890
the past. They know they

5334
02:05:45,890 --> 02:05:47,580
re

5335
02:05:47,580 --> 02:05:47,792
going to qualify. They apply

5336
02:05:47,792 --> 02:05:48,659
right at the beginning of the

5337
02:05:48,659 --> 02:05:50,862
year, and they get their credit

5338
02:05:50,862 --> 02:05:52,330
on their bill immediately. Uh,

5339
02:05:52,330 --> 02:05:54,980
so yeah, it does. It definitely

5340
02:05:54,980 --> 02:05:55,199
gets utilized, um, and using

5341
02:05:55,199 --> 02:05:57,235
social media and other things,

5342
02:05:57,235 --> 02:05:58,969
we get a, I think pretty good

5343
02:05:58,969 --> 02:06:00,471
participation that way. Um, we

5344
02:06:00,471 --> 02:06:01,472
also get referrals from places

5345
02:06:01,472 --> 02:06:02,340
like Almost Home from them

5346
02:06:02,340 --> 02:06:03,407
telling people, have you

5347
02:06:03,407 --> 02:06:05,175
checked with the city to see if

5348
02:06:05,175 --> 02:06:06,343
you can get help? So again, the

5349
02:06:06,343 --> 02:06:07,578
partnerships help.

5350
02:06:07,578 --> 02:06:08,879
I think my last question, so

5351
02:06:08,879 --> 02:06:09,800
thanks for that information, is

5352
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:10,781
so it

5353
02:06:10,781 --> 02:06:12,216
s a one time per year of

5354
02:06:12,216 --> 02:06:13,316
that much money.

5355
02:06:13,316 --> 02:06:14,451
Yes. One time. So if they

5356
02:06:14,451 --> 02:06:15,319
qualify they just get a credit

5357
02:06:15,319 --> 02:06:16,487
on their bill. And if their

5358
02:06:16,487 --> 02:06:17,488
bill happens to be about 50

5359
02:06:17,488 --> 02:06:18,823
bucks a month, and that would

5360
02:06:18,823 --> 02:06:20,257
last them for quite a while.

5361
02:06:20,257 --> 02:06:22,590
And have we ever run out of

5362
02:06:22,590 --> 02:06:24,590
that funding?

5363
02:06:24,362 --> 02:06:25,295
Yes. But like in mid-DECEMBER

5364
02:06:25,295 --> 02:06:25,830
typically, I mean, at that

5365
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:26,664
point where we

5366
02:06:26,664 --> 02:06:28,766
re right at the

5367
02:06:28,766 --> 02:06:30,200
cusp of going to the next year

5368
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:31,603
and having it reset, if we do

5369
02:06:31,603 --> 02:06:32,570
get close, then I come to to

5370
02:06:32,570 --> 02:06:33,471
Scott and to Michael and we

5371
02:06:33,471 --> 02:06:35,380
talk about that and say, do we

5372
02:06:35,380 --> 02:06:36,374
want to extend it? Because when

5373
02:06:36,374 --> 02:06:38,800
it was a lower threshold, it

5374
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:38,909
used to be around 100,000.

5375
02:06:38,909 --> 02:06:40,144
Yeah, we were we were running

5376
02:06:40,144 --> 02:06:41,412
out and we came back, you know,

5377
02:06:41,412 --> 02:06:42,947
mid year and said, hey, can we,

5378
02:06:42,947 --> 02:06:44,515
can we afford to up this to

5379
02:06:44,515 --> 02:06:44,748
125,000 so that we don

5380
02:06:44,748 --> 02:06:46,840
t have

5381
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:47,151
to turn people away. But once

5382
02:06:47,151 --> 02:06:47,341
we get to about DECEMBER, then

5383
02:06:47,341 --> 02:06:47,919
we

5384
02:06:47,919 --> 02:06:49,187
re talking about it

5385
02:06:49,187 --> 02:06:50,754
resetting in a week or two.

5386
02:06:50,754 --> 02:06:51,255
And, and we just let it roll.

5387
02:06:51,255 --> 02:06:52,560
So we haven

5388
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:52,222
t had anybody that

5389
02:06:52,222 --> 02:06:54,222
we

5390
02:06:55,926 --> 02:06:58,960
ve turned away. No thank you.

5391
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:00,960
Mayor Pro Tem.

5392
02:07:00,298 --> 02:07:01,900
Thanks. Um, I think one of the

5393
02:07:01,900 --> 02:07:03,330
other things that we we did

5394
02:07:03,330 --> 02:07:05,200
that I want to get a little bit

5395
02:07:05,200 --> 02:07:07,805
of understanding of is a year

5396
02:07:07,805 --> 02:07:09,807
or two ago, we also changed the

5397
02:07:09,807 --> 02:07:11,176
usage that qualified for the

5398
02:07:11,176 --> 02:07:12,677
tier one pricing, the lowest

5399
02:07:12,677 --> 02:07:14,846
pricing. We moved from 3000

5400
02:07:14,846 --> 02:07:17,246
gallons to 4000 gallons. Uh,

5401
02:07:17,982 --> 02:07:19,417
and that was designed to make

5402
02:07:19,417 --> 02:07:21,850
sure that we were covering

5403
02:07:21,850 --> 02:07:21,286
essentially the houses that

5404
02:07:21,286 --> 02:07:22,253
didn

5405
02:07:22,253 --> 02:07:23,555
t have significant

5406
02:07:23,555 --> 02:07:24,922
irrigation costs over the

5407
02:07:24,922 --> 02:07:27,592
course of the summer. Do we

5408
02:07:27,592 --> 02:07:30,592
know roughly what percentage of

5409
02:07:30,828 --> 02:07:33,300
our users stay within that 4000

5410
02:07:33,300 --> 02:07:33,697
gallons for the full course of

5411
02:07:33,697 --> 02:07:34,165
the year?

5412
02:07:34,165 --> 02:07:34,832
I don

5413
02:07:34,832 --> 02:07:35,800
t know that, but we can

5414
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:37,335
look into that.

5415
02:07:37,335 --> 02:07:38,369
Okay.

5416
02:07:38,369 --> 02:07:38,870
Because that that

5417
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:40,538
s one of the

5418
02:07:40,538 --> 02:07:42,673
things that we did do was, was

5419
02:07:42,673 --> 02:07:43,874
increase the amount that you

5420
02:07:43,874 --> 02:07:46,378
could use before you started

5421
02:07:46,378 --> 02:07:47,378
paying the more punitive rates.

5422
02:07:47,378 --> 02:07:48,780
Um, right.

5423
02:07:48,780 --> 02:07:49,981
Actually, if I can, I want to

5424
02:07:49,981 --> 02:07:52,817
go back to this slide here. You

5425
02:07:52,817 --> 02:07:54,752
can see where that happened in

5426
02:07:54,752 --> 02:07:57,255
2024. You can actually see the

5427
02:07:57,255 --> 02:07:58,923
usage amount dropped. And the

5428
02:07:58,923 --> 02:08:00,725
average bill in that year

5429
02:08:00,725 --> 02:08:03,125
actually declined because we

5430
02:08:03,261 --> 02:08:04,762
increased that bottom tier from

5431
02:08:04,762 --> 02:08:05,764
3000 to 4000. So people got an

5432
02:08:05,764 --> 02:08:06,964
extra thousand gallons at a

5433
02:08:06,964 --> 02:08:07,106
lower rate. So yeah you

5434
02:08:07,106 --> 02:08:07,432
re

5435
02:08:07,432 --> 02:08:08,233
right. If it

5436
02:08:08,233 --> 02:08:10,502
s if they are

5437
02:08:10,502 --> 02:08:11,869
truly an indoor user, um, which

5438
02:08:11,869 --> 02:08:13,337
is what we consider essential

5439
02:08:13,337 --> 02:08:13,738
use, then yeah, they

5440
02:08:13,738 --> 02:08:15,407
re getting

5441
02:08:15,407 --> 02:08:17,807
a pretty affordable rate.

5442
02:08:20,878 --> 02:08:22,647
Good. Um. Then I lost my train

5443
02:08:22,647 --> 02:08:25,647
of thought for my other

5444
02:08:27,180 --> 02:08:30,618
question. Um. Oh. Uh, which was

5445
02:08:32,423 --> 02:08:34,159
our water rate study is based a

5446
02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:36,961
lot on, uh, because this is one

5447
02:08:36,961 --> 02:08:38,463
of those, uh, enterprise funds

5448
02:08:38,463 --> 02:08:38,630
that needs to pay for itself.

5449
02:08:38,630 --> 02:08:40,532
It

5450
02:08:40,532 --> 02:08:40,698
s designed the numbers that

5451
02:08:40,698 --> 02:08:41,199
you

5452
02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:42,466
re giving us aren

5453
02:08:42,466 --> 02:08:44,466
t numbers

5454
02:08:45,203 --> 02:08:45,970
around, uh, hypotheticals and

5455
02:08:45,970 --> 02:08:46,604
what we would like to

5456
02:08:46,604 --> 02:08:47,105
accomplish. They

5457
02:08:47,105 --> 02:08:48,439
re designed

5458
02:08:48,439 --> 02:08:49,708
around what our actual costs

5459
02:08:49,708 --> 02:08:50,341
are going to be. Is that

5460
02:08:50,341 --> 02:08:50,542
correct?

5461
02:08:50,542 --> 02:08:51,343
That

5462
02:08:51,343 --> 02:08:53,343
s correct.

5463
02:08:55,460 --> 02:08:58,316
Yeah. So it at one point in

5464
02:08:58,316 --> 02:09:01,420
time, uh, the water rates were

5465
02:09:01,420 --> 02:09:01,653
exclusively a political issue.

5466
02:09:01,653 --> 02:09:02,454
And we

5467
02:09:02,454 --> 02:09:03,454
ve worked really hard

5468
02:09:03,454 --> 02:09:03,989
over the last number of years

5469
02:09:03,989 --> 02:09:04,756
to make sure that we

5470
02:09:04,756 --> 02:09:06,756
re looking

5471
02:09:10,195 --> 02:09:13,498
at actual costs, actual, um, uh,

5472
02:09:13,498 --> 02:09:13,932
program and content fees to

5473
02:09:13,932 --> 02:09:14,499
make sure that we

5474
02:09:14,499 --> 02:09:14,933
re covering

5475
02:09:14,933 --> 02:09:16,100
those. We

5476
02:09:16,100 --> 02:09:18,401
re not really allowed

5477
02:09:18,436 --> 02:09:20,305
to make wild profits in this

5478
02:09:20,305 --> 02:09:22,641
region, but we do have to cover

5479
02:09:22,641 --> 02:09:25,641
our own expenses that, uh,

5480
02:09:26,178 --> 02:09:29,647
slope down, uh, on that chart a

5481
02:09:29,647 --> 02:09:31,816
couple of years into it was a

5482
02:09:31,816 --> 02:09:34,519
great political boon and then

5483
02:09:34,519 --> 02:09:35,987
caused us to run in the red for

5484
02:09:35,987 --> 02:09:38,757
a significant amount of time,

5485
02:09:38,757 --> 02:09:40,792
which also placed us at risk at

5486
02:09:40,792 --> 02:09:42,727
one point or another of

5487
02:09:42,727 --> 02:09:45,630
effectively failing to run our

5488
02:09:45,630 --> 02:09:46,565
enterprise and be eligible to

5489
02:09:46,565 --> 02:09:49,330
be taken over by state

5490
02:09:49,330 --> 02:09:50,602
entities. So, uh, I want to

5491
02:09:50,602 --> 02:09:51,203
point out that that this isn

5492
02:09:51,203 --> 02:09:53,203
t

5493
02:09:53,839 --> 02:09:55,574
a political description of do

5494
02:09:55,574 --> 02:09:56,308
we want to increase things by

5495
02:09:56,308 --> 02:09:57,609
10%? It

5496
02:09:57,609 --> 02:10:00,245
s a we need to cover

5497
02:10:00,245 --> 02:10:01,246
our increase in costs, which is

5498
02:10:01,246 --> 02:10:01,446
10%.

5499
02:10:01,446 --> 02:10:02,714
That

5500
02:10:02,714 --> 02:10:04,550
s correct. And I have to

5501
02:10:04,550 --> 02:10:06,151
give Scott a lot of credit for

5502
02:10:06,151 --> 02:10:07,180
his diligence with our

5503
02:10:07,180 --> 02:10:07,920
financial plan. He

5504
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:09,954
s got such a

5505
02:10:09,954 --> 02:10:11,890
good handle on our capital

5506
02:10:11,890 --> 02:10:12,892
planning and all the all the

5507
02:10:12,892 --> 02:10:13,658
projects we need. You know, I

5508
02:10:13,658 --> 02:10:14,526
can go look at that water

5509
02:10:14,526 --> 02:10:14,717
treatment plant and I can

5510
02:10:14,717 --> 02:10:15,727
t

5511
02:10:15,727 --> 02:10:17,162
wrap my head around the

5512
02:10:17,162 --> 02:10:18,196
engineering and how you would

5513
02:10:18,196 --> 02:10:18,363
estimate cost for that. But

5514
02:10:18,363 --> 02:10:19,999
he

5515
02:10:19,999 --> 02:10:22,167
s got a great team and they

5516
02:10:22,167 --> 02:10:22,835
look at that plan in so much

5517
02:10:22,835 --> 02:10:23,680
detail. And it

5518
02:10:23,680 --> 02:10:23,936
s it

5519
02:10:23,936 --> 02:10:25,637
s a lot of

5520
02:10:25,637 --> 02:10:25,871
projects over the next 15 years

5521
02:10:25,871 --> 02:10:27,473
that we

5522
02:10:27,473 --> 02:10:28,640
re looking at. And um,

5523
02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:29,508
making sure not just can we

5524
02:10:29,508 --> 02:10:30,609
build them, but then can we

5525
02:10:30,609 --> 02:10:32,100
maintain them. And, you know,

5526
02:10:32,100 --> 02:10:32,978
when we were putting planning

5527
02:10:32,978 --> 02:10:33,912
for this water treatment plant,

5528
02:10:33,912 --> 02:10:35,780
we had consultants that helped

5529
02:10:35,780 --> 02:10:37,183
us understand what do our

5530
02:10:37,183 --> 02:10:38,450
operating costs need to do in

5531
02:10:38,450 --> 02:10:39,584
order to actually operate this

5532
02:10:39,584 --> 02:10:40,786
plant that does so much more

5533
02:10:40,786 --> 02:10:40,952
than our old one, right. So

5534
02:10:40,952 --> 02:10:42,287
we

5535
02:10:42,287 --> 02:10:43,422
re definitely looking at all

5536
02:10:43,422 --> 02:10:44,490
of these costs in so much

5537
02:10:44,490 --> 02:10:46,325
detail and getting all the

5538
02:10:46,325 --> 02:10:48,270
right experts behind it to make

5539
02:10:48,270 --> 02:10:49,261
this as accurate as possible.

5540
02:10:49,261 --> 02:10:50,563
Yeah. And the tour today

5541
02:10:50,563 --> 02:10:52,963
certainly pointed out the

5542
02:10:53,899 --> 02:10:56,435
number of places that we are

5543
02:10:56,435 --> 02:10:57,303
effectively engineering savings

5544
02:10:57,303 --> 02:10:57,536
into the program. We

5545
02:10:57,536 --> 02:10:59,536
re

5546
02:11:00,172 --> 02:11:01,440
recovering, uh, water and

5547
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:02,875
running through additional

5548
02:11:02,875 --> 02:11:04,276
cycles rather than simply

5549
02:11:04,276 --> 02:11:06,378
returning them or sending them

5550
02:11:06,378 --> 02:11:07,279
off and paying for wastewater.

5551
02:11:07,279 --> 02:11:09,140
There are a number of

5552
02:11:09,140 --> 02:11:12,140
engineering pieces in here that

5553
02:11:12,500 --> 02:11:13,952
actually reduce our effective

5554
02:11:13,952 --> 02:11:15,688
usage and our effective cost

5555
02:11:15,688 --> 02:11:16,422
per gallon, uh, from what it

5556
02:11:16,422 --> 02:11:16,823
is. So I think we

5557
02:11:16,823 --> 02:11:18,823
re doing a

5558
02:11:19,910 --> 02:11:21,493
lot to manage and control those

5559
02:11:21,493 --> 02:11:23,395
costs. At some point, things

5560
02:11:23,395 --> 02:11:26,298
simply cost more on our

5561
02:11:26,298 --> 02:11:27,733
responsibilities to be, uh,

5562
02:11:27,733 --> 02:11:29,733
effective fiduciary

5563
02:11:29,935 --> 02:11:31,604
responsibility for the city and

5564
02:11:31,604 --> 02:11:34,573
pay or collect what it costs to

5565
02:11:34,573 --> 02:11:36,708
run those things. Okay. Thanks.

5566
02:11:36,708 --> 02:11:37,776
Anyone else? Council member

5567
02:11:37,776 --> 02:11:39,776
Fiedler.

5568
02:11:40,313 --> 02:11:41,880
Thank you. Mayor. And I would

5569
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:44,283
just add two things can be true

5570
02:11:44,283 --> 02:11:45,717
at the same time. One, we do

5571
02:11:45,717 --> 02:11:47,253
need to pay what the costs are,

5572
02:11:47,253 --> 02:11:48,654
and it MAY be a financial

5573
02:11:48,654 --> 02:11:50,890
burden to those folks who are

5574
02:11:50,890 --> 02:11:50,256
struggling to do other things.

5575
02:11:50,256 --> 02:11:51,757
It

5576
02:11:51,757 --> 02:11:51,924
s not an Or situation. It

5577
02:11:51,924 --> 02:11:53,292
s

5578
02:11:53,292 --> 02:11:54,727
an end. So I appreciate the

5579
02:11:54,727 --> 02:11:56,528
numbers. I believe those to be

5580
02:11:56,528 --> 02:11:58,130
true. But the statement earlier

5581
02:11:58,130 --> 02:11:59,131
around Equitable City and how

5582
02:11:59,131 --> 02:11:59,565
it might be hard for some

5583
02:11:59,565 --> 02:12:00,833
families, it

5584
02:12:00,833 --> 02:12:02,234
s true. It can be

5585
02:12:02,234 --> 02:12:06,434
both can be true at the same

5586
02:12:06,939 --> 02:12:08,674
time.

5587
02:12:08,674 --> 02:12:09,775
Okay, Councilmember Carbajal.

5588
02:12:09,775 --> 02:12:10,576
Just a question on the thing,

5589
02:12:10,576 --> 02:12:11,844
because I understand the

5590
02:12:11,844 --> 02:12:12,812
fiduciary responsibility, I

5591
02:12:12,812 --> 02:12:13,780
would I would echo that. That

5592
02:12:13,780 --> 02:12:15,780
s

5593
02:12:15,810 --> 02:12:16,480
not, um, like lost and made,

5594
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:17,449
just so you understand that.

5595
02:12:17,449 --> 02:12:18,517
But my question for you is when

5596
02:12:18,517 --> 02:12:18,851
you said, we look at these

5597
02:12:18,851 --> 02:12:20,186
rates and we

5598
02:12:20,186 --> 02:12:22,186
re looking over 15

5599
02:12:22,788 --> 02:12:25,324
year period of time, are these

5600
02:12:25,324 --> 02:12:27,260
rates what we need now to

5601
02:12:27,260 --> 02:12:28,394
operate, or are these rates

5602
02:12:28,394 --> 02:12:29,862
starting to have us have a

5603
02:12:29,862 --> 02:12:31,464
little bit of flex in that

5604
02:12:31,464 --> 02:12:33,399
time? Is it something you could

5605
02:12:33,399 --> 02:12:34,567
go half up this year and half

5606
02:12:34,567 --> 02:12:36,335
up next and still meet the

5607
02:12:36,335 --> 02:12:37,537
margin of 15 years? I want to

5608
02:12:37,537 --> 02:12:39,339
understand what that means in

5609
02:12:39,339 --> 02:12:42,241
terms of 15 years of time.

5610
02:12:42,241 --> 02:12:43,843
Sure. Great question. So, uh,

5611
02:12:43,843 --> 02:12:45,511
the way the model works, we put

5612
02:12:45,511 --> 02:12:48,281
in all of the costs and then it

5613
02:12:48,281 --> 02:12:49,382
tells us what what years we

5614
02:12:49,382 --> 02:12:50,250
need zero and what years we

5615
02:12:50,250 --> 02:12:50,382
need. 30. Right. And we

5616
02:12:50,382 --> 02:12:51,884
re

5617
02:12:51,884 --> 02:12:53,119
trying to mitigate the 30. So

5618
02:12:53,119 --> 02:12:54,186
we put in the rates to try to

5619
02:12:54,186 --> 02:12:55,554
get us to that so that we can

5620
02:12:55,554 --> 02:12:57,857
keep them as steady as

5621
02:12:57,857 --> 02:12:59,658
possible. So we are looking at

5622
02:12:59,658 --> 02:13:00,193
at rate increases over time to

5623
02:13:00,193 --> 02:13:00,793
make sure that we don

5624
02:13:00,793 --> 02:13:02,793
t end up

5625
02:13:03,263 --> 02:13:04,196
in a in a shock situation where

5626
02:13:04,196 --> 02:13:05,230
we were trying to keep them

5627
02:13:05,230 --> 02:13:07,367
artificially low. And then we

5628
02:13:07,367 --> 02:13:08,401
need, you know, 20% like or 50

5629
02:13:08,401 --> 02:13:09,969
like some of our communities

5630
02:13:09,969 --> 02:13:10,136
have had in recent years. We

5631
02:13:10,136 --> 02:13:11,504
re

5632
02:13:11,504 --> 02:13:11,771
really trying to avoid that. So

5633
02:13:11,771 --> 02:13:12,705
yeah, we

5634
02:13:12,705 --> 02:13:13,706
re looking at it over

5635
02:13:13,706 --> 02:13:15,141
time and kind of plugging in.

5636
02:13:15,141 --> 02:13:16,242
All right. Could we go lower

5637
02:13:16,242 --> 02:13:17,110
this year if we went lower this

5638
02:13:17,110 --> 02:13:18,278
year. Does that mean higher

5639
02:13:18,278 --> 02:13:19,450
this year. Right. We

5640
02:13:19,450 --> 02:13:20,130
re playing

5641
02:13:20,130 --> 02:13:21,247
with that a lot to try to keep

5642
02:13:21,247 --> 02:13:22,248
it as level as we can.

5643
02:13:22,248 --> 02:13:22,448
And I know that we

5644
02:13:22,448 --> 02:13:22,582
re we

5645
02:13:22,582 --> 02:13:22,815
re

5646
02:13:22,815 --> 02:13:24,750
working.

5647
02:13:24,750 --> 02:13:27,530
On a two year right. Like every

5648
02:13:27,530 --> 02:13:27,988
two years we increase and we

5649
02:13:27,988 --> 02:13:28,187
can do so much information

5650
02:13:28,187 --> 02:13:29,220
every.

5651
02:13:29,220 --> 02:13:30,190
Single year. We come back every

5652
02:13:30,190 --> 02:13:30,490
year with the proposal, what

5653
02:13:30,490 --> 02:13:32,392
that is.

5654
02:13:32,392 --> 02:13:32,792
So with looking at that 15

5655
02:13:32,792 --> 02:13:33,392
year, what you

5656
02:13:33,392 --> 02:13:33,927
re telling me is

5657
02:13:33,927 --> 02:13:34,594
each year we

5658
02:13:34,594 --> 02:13:36,462
ll be looking at

5659
02:13:36,462 --> 02:13:37,497
about the single rate in order

5660
02:13:37,497 --> 02:13:38,798
to be in track.

5661
02:13:38,798 --> 02:13:40,990
No, no, not 12 each year. In

5662
02:13:40,990 --> 02:13:40,266
fact, if we did 12 this year,

5663
02:13:40,266 --> 02:13:42,135
we

5664
02:13:42,135 --> 02:13:43,350
d be looking at probably ten

5665
02:13:43,350 --> 02:13:44,371
next year, and then it would

5666
02:13:44,371 --> 02:13:45,772
drop down to six after another

5667
02:13:45,772 --> 02:13:47,139
year or two. So it would it

5668
02:13:47,139 --> 02:13:48,341
would go down based on the

5669
02:13:48,341 --> 02:13:49,409
models we have now. Those are

5670
02:13:49,409 --> 02:13:50,910
estimates. The further out you

5671
02:13:50,910 --> 02:13:52,145
get, the squishy your numbers

5672
02:13:52,145 --> 02:13:52,445
get. But yeah, we don

5673
02:13:52,445 --> 02:13:53,813
t

5674
02:13:53,813 --> 02:13:55,470
anticipate 12 annually.

5675
02:13:55,470 --> 02:13:57,117
And is there a reason why we

5676
02:13:57,117 --> 02:13:58,218
went high up front instead of

5677
02:13:58,218 --> 02:13:58,618
opposite. Just I don

5678
02:13:58,618 --> 02:13:58,751
t I don

5679
02:13:58,751 --> 02:13:58,952
t

5680
02:13:58,952 --> 02:13:59,552
know.

5681
02:13:59,552 --> 02:14:00,190
Yes. I mean there

5682
02:14:00,190 --> 02:14:01,387
s a

5683
02:14:01,387 --> 02:14:01,554
compounding effect on that. And

5684
02:14:01,554 --> 02:14:03,890
we

5685
02:14:03,890 --> 02:14:04,491
ve got some significant

5686
02:14:04,491 --> 02:14:05,424
projects in the next couple of

5687
02:14:05,424 --> 02:14:06,592
years that we needed to make

5688
02:14:06,592 --> 02:14:08,528
sure we had funding for. So if

5689
02:14:08,528 --> 02:14:09,962
we tried to do, you know, six

5690
02:14:09,962 --> 02:14:11,732
now, that would actually mean

5691
02:14:11,732 --> 02:14:13,299
higher rate increases later to

5692
02:14:13,299 --> 02:14:14,234
try to fund those projects. So

5693
02:14:14,234 --> 02:14:15,601
we were trying to, again,

5694
02:14:15,601 --> 02:14:18,710
mitigate a really big jump in a

5695
02:14:18,710 --> 02:14:19,372
year like 2029, where we have a

5696
02:14:19,372 --> 02:14:20,773
lot of capital projects that

5697
02:14:20,773 --> 02:14:21,674
are happening. And we did also

5698
02:14:21,674 --> 02:14:22,709
look at could we move those

5699
02:14:22,709 --> 02:14:23,760
capital projects, but at some

5700
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:23,576
point you can

5701
02:14:23,576 --> 02:14:23,943
t keep delaying

5702
02:14:23,943 --> 02:14:25,110
things or you

5703
02:14:25,110 --> 02:14:26,246
ve got a deferred

5704
02:14:26,246 --> 02:14:28,246
maintenance issue..

5705
02:14:28,515 --> 02:14:30,717
And have you guys collaborated

5706
02:14:30,717 --> 02:14:31,651
already out of this area? If

5707
02:14:31,651 --> 02:14:31,951
this was the past, how you

5708
02:14:31,951 --> 02:14:32,986
ll

5709
02:14:32,986 --> 02:14:33,886
look at marketing or

5710
02:14:33,886 --> 02:14:35,886
communicating with the

5711
02:14:36,690 --> 02:14:39,900
community about those items?

5712
02:14:39,326 --> 02:14:41,761
Yeah, certainly. So, um, every

5713
02:14:41,761 --> 02:14:43,563
year after the the rate

5714
02:14:43,563 --> 02:14:45,298
increases, uh, past, we

5715
02:14:45,298 --> 02:14:46,966
basically launch a campaign to

5716
02:14:46,966 --> 02:14:47,167
share that information. Um,

5717
02:14:47,167 --> 02:14:48,801
there

5718
02:14:48,801 --> 02:14:50,604
s flyers, inserts that go

5719
02:14:50,604 --> 02:14:52,706
out with the bills. We do

5720
02:14:52,706 --> 02:14:52,905
Spanish and English videos.

5721
02:14:52,905 --> 02:14:54,905
There

5722
02:14:54,975 --> 02:14:57,577
s social media posts. So

5723
02:14:57,577 --> 02:14:59,546
we do try to target all of our

5724
02:14:59,546 --> 02:15:02,115
customers, um, and let them

5725
02:15:02,115 --> 02:15:03,617
know of the the increase and

5726
02:15:03,617 --> 02:15:04,985
the reason for the increase.

5727
02:15:04,985 --> 02:15:06,486
And we also include that water

5728
02:15:06,486 --> 02:15:08,355
assistance program information

5729
02:15:08,355 --> 02:15:10,355
with that communication.

5730
02:15:11,257 --> 02:15:13,257
Thank you.

5731
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:14,193
Council Member Snyder.

5732
02:15:14,193 --> 02:15:16,193
I don

5733
02:15:17,930 --> 02:15:19,966
t like my water bill. I

5734
02:15:19,966 --> 02:15:21,535
have a beautiful yard. I like

5735
02:15:21,535 --> 02:15:25,538
it that way. So I pay the water

5736
02:15:25,538 --> 02:15:28,241
bill. Um, this afternoon we had

5737
02:15:28,241 --> 02:15:30,710
the opportunity to walk through

5738
02:15:30,710 --> 02:15:31,440
$180 million water treatment

5739
02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:32,312
plant. That

5740
02:15:32,312 --> 02:15:32,512
s 90% complete.

5741
02:15:32,512 --> 02:15:33,947
That

5742
02:15:33,947 --> 02:15:35,349
s going to provide some of

5743
02:15:35,349 --> 02:15:36,817
the best water in the western

5744
02:15:36,817 --> 02:15:39,190
United States to the residents.

5745
02:15:39,190 --> 02:15:40,621
And it has to be paid for. And

5746
02:15:40,621 --> 02:15:41,187
it is unfortunate rates have to

5747
02:15:41,187 --> 02:15:43,290
go up. And inflation

5748
02:15:43,290 --> 02:15:45,290
s at 3.9%.

5749
02:15:46,260 --> 02:15:47,227
And um stuff costs more. That

5750
02:15:47,227 --> 02:15:49,627
treatment plant will only

5751
02:15:50,230 --> 02:15:50,397
handle estimates 70,000 people.

5752
02:15:50,397 --> 02:15:51,331
We

5753
02:15:51,331 --> 02:15:52,499
re going to be there in 12

5754
02:15:52,499 --> 02:15:52,900
to 15 years. We

5755
02:15:52,900 --> 02:15:54,101
re going to

5756
02:15:54,101 --> 02:15:54,968
need another water treatment

5757
02:15:54,968 --> 02:15:55,636
plant. And you can

5758
02:15:55,636 --> 02:15:56,836
t just wave

5759
02:15:56,836 --> 02:15:57,437
a magic wand and come up with

5760
02:15:57,437 --> 02:15:58,304
the money. So that

5761
02:15:58,304 --> 02:16:00,304
s part of

5762
02:16:00,307 --> 02:16:01,808
what these increases do future

5763
02:16:01,808 --> 02:16:03,143
development, future needs. And

5764
02:16:03,143 --> 02:16:05,212
we have to keep up with them.

5765
02:16:05,212 --> 02:16:05,379
But we it correct me if I

5766
02:16:05,379 --> 02:16:05,845
m

5767
02:16:05,845 --> 02:16:06,613
wrong. We

5768
02:16:06,613 --> 02:16:07,581
re under state

5769
02:16:07,581 --> 02:16:09,516
guidelines. We can

5770
02:16:09,516 --> 02:16:11,516
t just say

5771
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:14,921
hey, we want an extra $500,000

5772
02:16:14,921 --> 02:16:17,570
in water fees this year. We

5773
02:16:17,570 --> 02:16:18,425
have to have a provable use and

5774
02:16:18,425 --> 02:16:20,894
need for that money that is

5775
02:16:20,894 --> 02:16:22,362
directly related to providing a

5776
02:16:22,362 --> 02:16:23,463
good quality product to our

5777
02:16:23,463 --> 02:16:23,664
citizens, right?

5778
02:16:23,664 --> 02:16:25,533
That

5779
02:16:25,533 --> 02:16:27,340
s correct. Yes. So this

5780
02:16:27,340 --> 02:16:27,267
this rate increase, this 12%

5781
02:16:27,267 --> 02:16:28,235
that we

5782
02:16:28,235 --> 02:16:29,970
re asking for is what

5783
02:16:29,970 --> 02:16:31,172
is needed to continue to

5784
02:16:31,172 --> 02:16:34,410
provide the level of service

5785
02:16:34,410 --> 02:16:36,310
that we are, if there is some

5786
02:16:36,310 --> 02:16:39,310
other percentage, um, you know,

5787
02:16:39,313 --> 02:16:40,815
that council would consider

5788
02:16:40,815 --> 02:16:42,516
there would be something that

5789
02:16:42,516 --> 02:16:45,252
is not going to happen that

5790
02:16:45,252 --> 02:16:48,356
likely will have an impact on

5791
02:16:48,356 --> 02:16:49,423
service level or cost increases

5792
02:16:49,423 --> 02:16:50,724
could go up.

5793
02:16:50,724 --> 02:16:50,891
Thanks, Scott. And if I just I

5794
02:16:50,891 --> 02:16:51,925
don

5795
02:16:51,925 --> 02:16:52,359
t want my water bill to go

5796
02:16:52,359 --> 02:16:53,260
down, I

5797
02:16:53,260 --> 02:16:53,894
ll take some of my

5798
02:16:53,894 --> 02:16:55,894
grass out.

5799
02:16:57,640 --> 02:16:59,640
Thank you.

5800
02:17:02,837 --> 02:17:03,604
Anybody else? All right.

5801
02:17:03,604 --> 02:17:05,106
That is all we.

5802
02:17:05,106 --> 02:17:05,305
Have for you tonight. So if

5803
02:17:05,305 --> 02:17:06,807
there

5804
02:17:06,807 --> 02:17:07,800
s, uh. Yeah.

5805
02:17:07,800 --> 02:17:08,176
That

5806
02:17:08,176 --> 02:17:10,770
s it.

5807
02:17:10,770 --> 02:17:11,512
Well, I thank you both for your

5808
02:17:11,512 --> 02:17:11,879
dedications. I know it

5809
02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:13,879
s hard

5810
02:17:14,480 --> 02:17:15,482
to talk about any sort of rate

5811
02:17:15,482 --> 02:17:17,284
adjustments. Those are

5812
02:17:17,284 --> 02:17:20,284
sensitive topics here in our

5813
02:17:20,587 --> 02:17:22,723
community. But I also know that

5814
02:17:22,723 --> 02:17:24,892
Director Olson, because he is

5815
02:17:24,892 --> 02:17:26,493
so dedicated to utilities, he

5816
02:17:26,493 --> 02:17:27,627
moved back to Brighton so he

5817
02:17:27,627 --> 02:17:29,970
can pay these kind of rates. So

5818
02:17:29,970 --> 02:17:30,198
we appreciate that.

5819
02:17:30,198 --> 02:17:30,431
We call him the company man

5820
02:17:30,431 --> 02:17:30,731
here.

5821
02:17:30,731 --> 02:17:31,899
And I.

5822
02:17:31,899 --> 02:17:33,400
Did internally.

5823
02:17:33,400 --> 02:17:33,901
I moved here just to pay the

5824
02:17:33,901 --> 02:17:35,901
water rates.

5825
02:17:36,337 --> 02:17:37,872
Yes, you did.

5826
02:17:37,872 --> 02:17:42,720
A man of honor, if you will.

5827
02:17:45,379 --> 02:17:46,460
Yes. Dedication. Thank you.

5828
02:17:46,460 --> 02:17:48,460
All or.

5829
02:17:48,416 --> 02:17:50,500
Even one last thing on this. As

5830
02:17:50,500 --> 02:17:51,719
I mentioned in the beginning,

5831
02:17:51,719 --> 02:17:53,821
we played this scenario so many

5832
02:17:53,821 --> 02:17:54,822
times now, uh, including

5833
02:17:54,822 --> 02:17:56,724
everything that was mentioned

5834
02:17:56,724 --> 02:17:57,580
tonight behind the scenes,

5835
02:17:57,580 --> 02:17:58,259
whether it

5836
02:17:58,259 --> 02:17:59,393
s the two in front

5837
02:17:59,393 --> 02:18:01,796
of you here, the budget

5838
02:18:01,796 --> 02:18:02,997
director, uh, everybody, like I

5839
02:18:02,997 --> 02:18:03,865
mentioned in between that, you

5840
02:18:03,865 --> 02:18:04,698
know, we when we have our

5841
02:18:04,698 --> 02:18:06,300
huddles and we have our

5842
02:18:06,300 --> 02:18:07,701
discussions about this, we talk

5843
02:18:07,701 --> 02:18:09,300
about the scenarios and what it

5844
02:18:09,300 --> 02:18:09,437
will cost us if we don

5845
02:18:09,437 --> 02:18:10,572
t do

5846
02:18:10,572 --> 02:18:11,872
something, if we delay

5847
02:18:11,872 --> 02:18:12,206
something. I think there

5848
02:18:12,206 --> 02:18:12,673
s one

5849
02:18:12,673 --> 02:18:13,474
lesson that we

5850
02:18:13,474 --> 02:18:14,242
ve learned as a

5851
02:18:14,242 --> 02:18:16,770
city that

5852
02:18:16,770 --> 02:18:17,778
s sometimes delaying

5853
02:18:17,778 --> 02:18:19,814
things is going to cost you a

5854
02:18:19,814 --> 02:18:21,315
significantly a significant

5855
02:18:21,315 --> 02:18:23,251
amount more in the long run.

5856
02:18:23,251 --> 02:18:24,451
The $180 million water

5857
02:18:24,451 --> 02:18:24,652
treatment plant that we

5858
02:18:24,652 --> 02:18:25,586
re

5859
02:18:25,586 --> 02:18:25,920
fortunate enough to have,

5860
02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:26,854
because that

5861
02:18:26,854 --> 02:18:28,156
s now a $300

5862
02:18:28,156 --> 02:18:29,924
million water treatment plant

5863
02:18:29,924 --> 02:18:32,924
in Westminster, could have cost

5864
02:18:33,995 --> 02:18:35,997
us somewhere between 70 and

5865
02:18:35,997 --> 02:18:38,799
$120 million if we would have

5866
02:18:38,799 --> 02:18:39,934
done certain things in back

5867
02:18:39,934 --> 02:18:41,603
when we had the opportunity to

5868
02:18:41,603 --> 02:18:42,369
do it. So I do want to take a

5869
02:18:42,369 --> 02:18:43,304
moment to thank the team,

5870
02:18:43,304 --> 02:18:45,139
because they really are

5871
02:18:45,139 --> 02:18:45,406
cognizant. Of the residents

5872
02:18:45,406 --> 02:18:45,806
when they

5873
02:18:45,806 --> 02:18:45,940
re when they

5874
02:18:45,940 --> 02:18:46,874
re

5875
02:18:46,874 --> 02:18:48,476
setting these rates or

5876
02:18:48,476 --> 02:18:50,578
suggesting these rates. Like I

5877
02:18:50,578 --> 02:18:51,579
mentioned, we go over things

5878
02:18:51,579 --> 02:18:51,980
time and time again to make

5879
02:18:51,980 --> 02:18:52,647
sure that we

5880
02:18:52,647 --> 02:18:53,181
ve we

5881
02:18:53,181 --> 02:18:54,482
ve got what

5882
02:18:54,482 --> 02:18:55,817
we believe is the right thing

5883
02:18:55,817 --> 02:18:56,617
for our residents and for

5884
02:18:56,617 --> 02:18:57,384
utility.

5885
02:18:57,384 --> 02:18:58,586
But if we didn

5886
02:18:58,586 --> 02:19:00,586
t address this

5887
02:19:01,255 --> 02:19:02,590
now, we versus then we might

5888
02:19:02,590 --> 02:19:03,558
not have addressed the pfas

5889
02:19:03,558 --> 02:19:04,910
issue because that wasn

5890
02:19:04,910 --> 02:19:05,593
t such

5891
02:19:05,593 --> 02:19:07,610
an important topic back then

5892
02:19:07,610 --> 02:19:08,290
either. So I think we hit the

5893
02:19:08,290 --> 02:19:09,163
sweet spot.

5894
02:19:09,163 --> 02:19:11,163
I agree.

5895
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:17,505
Yeah, cool. Thank you. Next

5896
02:19:17,505 --> 02:19:19,774
here it is. Water treatment

5897
02:19:19,774 --> 02:19:21,774
chemicals. Master price

5898
02:19:22,910 --> 02:19:24,678
agreement, awards, city Manager

5899
02:19:24,678 --> 02:19:26,678
Martinez.

5900
02:19:26,815 --> 02:19:29,215
Director Olson. Once again.

5901
02:19:29,317 --> 02:19:32,287
Sorry, I was just moving seats.

5902
02:19:32,287 --> 02:19:33,654
I like this one better. All

5903
02:19:33,654 --> 02:19:35,757
right. Thank you for having me

5904
02:19:35,757 --> 02:19:37,692
again this evening. Uh, this

5905
02:19:37,692 --> 02:19:39,861
item is, uh, master price

5906
02:19:39,861 --> 02:19:42,261
agreement awards for water

5907
02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:46,367
treatment, plant chemicals. All

5908
02:19:46,367 --> 02:19:46,935
right, this evening, I

5909
02:19:46,935 --> 02:19:48,870
ll walk

5910
02:19:48,870 --> 02:19:50,271
us through some background and

5911
02:19:50,271 --> 02:19:50,972
overview, the procurement

5912
02:19:50,972 --> 02:19:51,339
summary and staff

5913
02:19:51,339 --> 02:19:53,339
s

5914
02:19:53,641 --> 02:19:55,343
recommendation for a future,

5915
02:19:55,343 --> 02:19:56,878
uh, regular council meeting.

5916
02:19:56,878 --> 02:19:58,213
Um, just to give you a reminder

5917
02:19:58,213 --> 02:20:00,147
on what the master price

5918
02:20:00,147 --> 02:20:02,718
agreements are and then open it

5919
02:20:02,718 --> 02:20:04,652
up for any questions. So just

5920
02:20:04,652 --> 02:20:06,321
some background, the water

5921
02:20:06,321 --> 02:20:09,921
system demand here in the city

5922
02:20:10,910 --> 02:20:13,910
of Brighton in 2025 was about

5923
02:20:13,294 --> 02:20:15,263
2.2 billion gallons, and

5924
02:20:15,263 --> 02:20:17,465
approximately 70% of that, or

5925
02:20:17,465 --> 02:20:18,900
1.5 billion gallons, is treated

5926
02:20:18,900 --> 02:20:21,900
at our water treatment plant

5927
02:20:21,970 --> 02:20:24,970
facilities. The rest of the 30%

5928
02:20:25,573 --> 02:20:28,143
is purchased water. So numerous

5929
02:20:28,143 --> 02:20:29,578
chemicals are required to

5930
02:20:29,578 --> 02:20:31,978
remove contaminants during the

5931
02:20:32,470 --> 02:20:34,382
water treatment process or

5932
02:20:34,382 --> 02:20:36,518
further aid in that process.

5933
02:20:36,518 --> 02:20:37,853
Um, and there are several other

5934
02:20:37,853 --> 02:20:40,288
NPAs that are going to be

5935
02:20:40,288 --> 02:20:42,688
awarded for, uh, specific

5936
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:45,190
chemicals. Um, however, only

5937
02:20:45,493 --> 02:20:46,661
two of these exceed, uh, the

5938
02:20:46,661 --> 02:20:49,610
amount that requires city

5939
02:20:50,365 --> 02:20:52,934
Council approval. So, uh, city

5940
02:20:52,934 --> 02:20:54,536
staff did publish a formal

5941
02:20:54,536 --> 02:20:56,404
solicitation through bid net

5942
02:20:56,404 --> 02:20:57,606
direct with the intent of

5943
02:20:57,606 --> 02:20:59,408
entering into these master

5944
02:20:59,408 --> 02:21:01,343
price agreements. Uh, the

5945
02:21:01,343 --> 02:21:03,440
solicitation resulted in 14

5946
02:21:03,440 --> 02:21:05,313
submissions, 12 of which were

5947
02:21:05,313 --> 02:21:05,881
deemed responsive. And staff

5948
02:21:05,881 --> 02:21:07,549
s

5949
02:21:07,549 --> 02:21:09,651
recommendation is at a future

5950
02:21:09,651 --> 02:21:11,119
city council meeting to accept

5951
02:21:11,119 --> 02:21:13,922
the lowest, most responsive and

5952
02:21:13,922 --> 02:21:15,390
responsible fee schedule and,

5953
02:21:15,390 --> 02:21:16,925
uh, award master price

5954
02:21:16,925 --> 02:21:18,227
agreements with not to exceed

5955
02:21:18,227 --> 02:21:21,227
amounts for one of our

5956
02:21:22,430 --> 02:21:26,300
solutions. Usa and pbs, Inc. Um

5957
02:21:27,136 --> 02:21:30,472
in not to exceed amounts of

5958
02:21:30,472 --> 02:21:32,472
$900,001.6 million,

5959
02:21:32,641 --> 02:21:34,309
respectively. So just a

5960
02:21:34,309 --> 02:21:35,577
reminder that, uh, master price

5961
02:21:35,577 --> 02:21:36,978
agreements are a contract

5962
02:21:36,978 --> 02:21:38,714
between the city and the

5963
02:21:38,714 --> 02:21:41,490
vendor. It establishes, uh,

5964
02:21:41,490 --> 02:21:42,917
terms and conditions, the scope

5965
02:21:42,917 --> 02:21:43,118
of the goods or services that

5966
02:21:43,118 --> 02:21:44,686
they

5967
02:21:44,686 --> 02:21:46,721
re going to provide and

5968
02:21:46,721 --> 02:21:49,357
pricing during that initial one

5969
02:21:49,357 --> 02:21:51,526
year term. It we are able to

5970
02:21:51,526 --> 02:21:53,161
extend that for an additional

5971
02:21:53,161 --> 02:21:55,931
four year terms, up to a total

5972
02:21:55,931 --> 02:21:58,300
of five years, as long as we

5973
02:21:58,300 --> 02:22:00,700
accept a proposed reasonable

5974
02:22:00,736 --> 02:22:01,937
increase that they, um, provide

5975
02:22:01,937 --> 02:22:06,750
to us and that we still need

5976
02:22:06,750 --> 02:22:08,877
that service. And with that, I

5977
02:22:08,877 --> 02:22:11,277
will take any questions.

5978
02:22:11,647 --> 02:22:11,880
Questions? Council member

5979
02:22:11,880 --> 02:22:13,581
today.

5980
02:22:13,581 --> 02:22:15,217
Okay, I need a little

5981
02:22:15,217 --> 02:22:16,385
clarification so it can turn

5982
02:22:16,385 --> 02:22:17,452
into a five year contract.

5983
02:22:17,452 --> 02:22:18,721
Starts out as a one year

5984
02:22:18,721 --> 02:22:20,756
contract, but you can extend it

5985
02:22:20,756 --> 02:22:22,224
each year as long as the amount

5986
02:22:22,224 --> 02:22:25,461
that it goes up is like

5987
02:22:25,461 --> 02:22:26,161
inflationary or cost of the

5988
02:22:26,161 --> 02:22:26,962
product.

5989
02:22:26,962 --> 02:22:28,962
Correct? Yes.

5990
02:22:28,997 --> 02:22:30,997
Okay. Thank you.

5991
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:33,680
Anyone else? That

5992
02:22:33,680 --> 02:22:34,700
s it. Oh,

5993
02:22:34,700 --> 02:22:35,737
mayor Pro Tem.

5994
02:22:35,737 --> 02:22:36,400
Not a question on this. Uh, but

5995
02:22:36,400 --> 02:22:36,872
since he

5996
02:22:36,872 --> 02:22:38,239
s still here, I really

5997
02:22:38,239 --> 02:22:39,841
want to thank you and Jordan

5998
02:22:39,841 --> 02:22:42,377
for the tour of the plant

5999
02:22:42,377 --> 02:22:44,379
today. Uh, lots of amazing

6000
02:22:44,379 --> 02:22:45,214
information. Uh, really cool to

6001
02:22:45,214 --> 02:22:45,981
see how far along we

6002
02:22:45,981 --> 02:22:47,981
re coming.

6003
02:22:49,918 --> 02:22:51,319
And really need to see the

6004
02:22:51,319 --> 02:22:53,719
approaches that are different,

6005
02:22:53,789 --> 02:22:54,456
more contemporary. Uh, and the

6006
02:22:54,456 --> 02:22:54,790
benefits that they

6007
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:56,258
re going to

6008
02:22:56,258 --> 02:22:57,292
provide. So thanks. Thanks to

6009
02:22:57,292 --> 02:22:57,426
you. Thanks to Jordan, who

6010
02:22:57,426 --> 02:22:57,893
s

6011
02:22:57,893 --> 02:22:59,428
still here.

6012
02:22:59,428 --> 02:23:00,630
Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And I

6013
02:23:00,630 --> 02:23:01,731
asked Jordan to come tonight in

6014
02:23:01,731 --> 02:23:02,898
case you guys started asking

6015
02:23:02,898 --> 02:23:04,600
questions. About what?

6016
02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:05,600
Chemicals? Uh, because he can

6017
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:07,169
rattle off every single

6018
02:23:07,169 --> 02:23:08,404
chemical and what it does over

6019
02:23:08,404 --> 02:23:09,572
there, and I cannot.

6020
02:23:09,572 --> 02:23:12,572
And has some questions on

6021
02:23:12,942 --> 02:23:14,942
chemicals.

6022
02:23:15,440 --> 02:23:16,845
We bring our council chemist in

6023
02:23:16,845 --> 02:23:18,680
to ask the questions.

6024
02:23:18,680 --> 02:23:19,215
Um, and if there are no

6025
02:23:19,215 --> 02:23:20,515
objections, we

6026
02:23:20,515 --> 02:23:22,384
d like to place

6027
02:23:22,384 --> 02:23:23,552
these two on the consent agenda

6028
02:23:23,552 --> 02:23:25,120
for the next regular meeting.

6029
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:27,222
Bent and MAY have a problem

6030
02:23:27,222 --> 02:23:28,390
with that. Go ahead. Go ahead

6031
02:23:28,390 --> 02:23:29,959
and place it.

6032
02:23:29,959 --> 02:23:32,928
All right. Thank you very much.

6033
02:23:32,928 --> 02:23:34,563
All right. Thank you. And then

6034
02:23:34,563 --> 02:23:35,797
the policy regarding the

6035
02:23:35,797 --> 02:23:37,433
interview and appointment

6036
02:23:37,433 --> 02:23:38,901
procedure for city board,

6037
02:23:38,901 --> 02:23:40,901
commission and authority

6038
02:23:43,720 --> 02:23:45,720
members proposed 2026 second

6039
02:23:46,142 --> 02:23:47,876
revision. Is this yours? City

6040
02:23:47,876 --> 02:23:49,876
Attorney Calderon?

6041
02:23:50,913 --> 02:23:51,580
Uh, I am the speaker. This is

6042
02:23:51,580 --> 02:23:53,580
city Council

6043
02:23:55,840 --> 02:23:57,484
s agenda item. Um,

6044
02:23:58,521 --> 02:24:02,357
we did do an update. Thank you.

6045
02:24:02,357 --> 02:24:04,494
City Manager Martinez. Uh,

6046
02:24:04,494 --> 02:24:07,663
council did do an update, but

6047
02:24:07,663 --> 02:24:09,732
we had some questions

6048
02:24:09,732 --> 02:24:12,132
specifically from the Housing

6049
02:24:12,568 --> 02:24:15,568
Authority about, um, a couple

6050
02:24:16,390 --> 02:24:19,390
things in the presentation. Uh,

6051
02:24:20,275 --> 02:24:22,945
in the in the policy. So one

6052
02:24:22,945 --> 02:24:25,381
suggested change is to allow a

6053
02:24:25,381 --> 02:24:28,317
little more flexibility so that

6054
02:24:28,317 --> 02:24:29,251
an applicant can attend the

6055
02:24:29,251 --> 02:24:29,718
meeting where they

6056
02:24:29,718 --> 02:24:31,487
re being

6057
02:24:31,487 --> 02:24:32,155
interviewed. And that counts as

6058
02:24:32,155 --> 02:24:32,321
the meeting that they

6059
02:24:32,321 --> 02:24:32,922
re

6060
02:24:32,922 --> 02:24:33,489
attending. So you

6061
02:24:33,489 --> 02:24:34,624
re not having

6062
02:24:34,624 --> 02:24:35,758
to attend a meeting and then

6063
02:24:35,758 --> 02:24:37,927
come to the next meeting to be

6064
02:24:37,927 --> 02:24:38,761
interviewed. It could all be

6065
02:24:38,761 --> 02:24:40,462
one. That

6066
02:24:40,462 --> 02:24:42,299
s one so good. It

6067
02:24:42,299 --> 02:24:42,599
just allows for that. Doesn

6068
02:24:42,599 --> 02:24:44,599
t

6069
02:24:45,835 --> 02:24:48,835
require that. Um, the second

6070
02:24:50,140 --> 02:24:53,376
one is we did have where the

6071
02:24:53,376 --> 02:24:54,477
candidate, um, who had not

6072
02:24:54,477 --> 02:24:56,712
attended a meeting, the

6073
02:24:56,712 --> 02:24:59,215
application was held until they

6074
02:24:59,215 --> 02:25:00,250
attended the meeting. So we

6075
02:25:00,250 --> 02:25:02,118
re

6076
02:25:02,118 --> 02:25:03,386
clarifying that the application

6077
02:25:03,386 --> 02:25:05,789
would still be sent to the

6078
02:25:05,789 --> 02:25:07,456
staff liaison so that the staff

6079
02:25:07,456 --> 02:25:08,891
liaison can provide the

6080
02:25:08,891 --> 02:25:10,293
information to the candidate

6081
02:25:10,293 --> 02:25:11,494
about the date and time for the

6082
02:25:11,494 --> 02:25:13,162
meeting, so that they can

6083
02:25:13,162 --> 02:25:15,698
attend a meeting and so that

6084
02:25:15,698 --> 02:25:18,698
they have the information. Um,

6085
02:25:18,968 --> 02:25:21,838
and the other change is a

6086
02:25:21,838 --> 02:25:23,406
practice that has been

6087
02:25:23,406 --> 02:25:25,508
occurring, but that was not

6088
02:25:25,508 --> 02:25:27,410
spelled out. Basically, you can

6089
02:25:27,410 --> 02:25:28,677
be sworn in at the city Council

6090
02:25:28,677 --> 02:25:30,413
meeting at the board

6091
02:25:30,413 --> 02:25:32,413
commissioner authority meeting,

6092
02:25:33,316 --> 02:25:34,184
or if none of those dates work

6093
02:25:34,184 --> 02:25:36,584
at the city clerk

6094
02:25:40,223 --> 02:25:42,223
s office. Um,

6095
02:25:44,127 --> 02:25:48,327
a new question is, well, if a

6096
02:25:49,199 --> 02:25:50,300
possible addition. So the well,

6097
02:25:50,300 --> 02:25:51,368
unfortunately, it looks like

6098
02:25:51,368 --> 02:25:52,469
the red lines disappeared

6099
02:25:52,469 --> 02:25:53,803
because it was a word document

6100
02:25:53,803 --> 02:25:54,738
that got uploaded to registrar.

6101
02:25:54,738 --> 02:25:54,904
And then the red lines don

6102
02:25:54,904 --> 02:25:56,904
t

6103
02:25:56,973 --> 02:25:59,973
show up. Uh, the previous

6104
02:26:00,100 --> 02:26:02,845
three. Yeah, the previous three

6105
02:26:02,845 --> 02:26:05,115
suggestions are in are already

6106
02:26:05,115 --> 02:26:06,750
in the document. This idea is

6107
02:26:06,750 --> 02:26:09,850
not in the document, but it is

6108
02:26:09,850 --> 02:26:10,120
a point of discussion as to

6109
02:26:10,120 --> 02:26:13,120
whether you would like to

6110
02:26:13,222 --> 02:26:15,292
include this. So would you like

6111
02:26:15,292 --> 02:26:16,626
to have the information? So

6112
02:26:16,626 --> 02:26:18,828
when you have a candidate who

6113
02:26:18,828 --> 02:26:21,798
is up for renewal, would you

6114
02:26:21,798 --> 02:26:23,233
like the information about

6115
02:26:23,233 --> 02:26:24,668
their attendance at the

6116
02:26:24,668 --> 02:26:27,360
meetings during their first

6117
02:26:27,360 --> 02:26:28,705
term to be a part of the packet

6118
02:26:28,705 --> 02:26:29,672
that you get to consider them

6119
02:26:29,672 --> 02:26:31,410
for renewal?

6120
02:26:31,410 --> 02:26:33,410
Yes. Yes.

6121
02:26:33,143 --> 02:26:33,677
Yes..

6122
02:26:33,677 --> 02:26:35,677
Okay. We

6123
02:26:36,345 --> 02:26:39,345
ll add that in and

6124
02:26:39,749 --> 02:26:39,950
that was all of the changes. So

6125
02:26:39,950 --> 02:26:41,384
they

6126
02:26:41,384 --> 02:26:42,852
re pretty minor.

6127
02:26:42,852 --> 02:26:44,621
Anybody have any comments or

6128
02:26:44,621 --> 02:26:47,210
questions. Mayor Pro tem.

6129
02:26:48,324 --> 02:26:50,600
Well I, I get the early changes

6130
02:26:50,600 --> 02:26:50,894
in those. Makes sense. To

6131
02:26:50,894 --> 02:26:51,495
clarify I don

6132
02:26:51,495 --> 02:26:53,663
t think any of

6133
02:26:53,663 --> 02:26:54,764
those were out of line of the

6134
02:26:54,764 --> 02:26:56,532
policy. We had written. But

6135
02:26:56,532 --> 02:26:57,134
clarification is always good.

6136
02:26:57,134 --> 02:26:59,134
Um, when we

6137
02:26:59,770 --> 02:27:02,170
re looking at the

6138
02:27:03,206 --> 02:27:04,407
Border Commission members past

6139
02:27:04,407 --> 02:27:06,944
a or looking at Re

6140
02:27:06,944 --> 02:27:09,344
appointments, is there also

6141
02:27:11,248 --> 02:27:12,649
some sort of assessment of I

6142
02:27:12,649 --> 02:27:15,490
performance is probably the

6143
02:27:17,860 --> 02:27:19,486
wrong word, but participation

6144
02:27:19,657 --> 02:27:21,240
and value and performance to to

6145
02:27:21,240 --> 02:27:23,424
look at that, that

6146
02:27:23,526 --> 02:27:23,960
reappointment. I mean I

6147
02:27:23,960 --> 02:27:24,940
ll,

6148
02:27:24,940 --> 02:27:26,940
I

6149
02:27:27,330 --> 02:27:31,435
ll use as an example in the

6150
02:27:31,435 --> 02:27:33,236
distant past we had a series of

6151
02:27:33,236 --> 02:27:35,636
planning commission things that

6152
02:27:35,872 --> 02:27:36,730
came to us and the decisions

6153
02:27:36,730 --> 02:27:38,730
didn

6154
02:27:38,241 --> 02:27:39,410
t really comply with, say,

6155
02:27:39,410 --> 02:27:40,611
statute and our Land Use and

6156
02:27:40,611 --> 02:27:42,413
Development code. And the

6157
02:27:42,413 --> 02:27:44,813
council ended up reviewing

6158
02:27:48,819 --> 02:27:50,988
those in and writing, making a

6159
02:27:50,988 --> 02:27:53,824
different decision based on, on

6160
02:27:53,824 --> 02:27:54,891
those inputs. Are there means

6161
02:27:54,891 --> 02:27:56,930
for us to look at whether or

6162
02:27:56,930 --> 02:27:58,493
not somebody is actually

6163
02:27:58,829 --> 02:27:59,830
performing their duties for

6164
02:27:59,830 --> 02:28:01,298
reappointment?

6165
02:28:01,298 --> 02:28:03,698
We made the rules.

6166
02:28:04,935 --> 02:28:05,135
Uh, currently there is no yeah,

6167
02:28:05,135 --> 02:28:07,135
there

6168
02:28:07,438 --> 02:28:08,472
s no method of

6169
02:28:08,472 --> 02:28:09,906
quantifying.

6170
02:28:09,906 --> 02:28:11,609
When they reapply.

6171
02:28:11,609 --> 02:28:12,910
Yes. Other than your interview

6172
02:28:12,910 --> 02:28:13,770
when they reapply. But there

6173
02:28:13,770 --> 02:28:14,979
s

6174
02:28:14,979 --> 02:28:16,447
no method of quantifying their

6175
02:28:16,447 --> 02:28:18,447
participation or their

6176
02:28:18,616 --> 02:28:20,283
performance.

6177
02:28:20,283 --> 02:28:21,685
And we had a few things where

6178
02:28:21,685 --> 02:28:23,860
where some of the decisions

6179
02:28:23,860 --> 02:28:25,322
made by some of those councils

6180
02:28:25,322 --> 02:28:27,191
place to sit in legal jeopardy.

6181
02:28:27,191 --> 02:28:29,426
So I would be curious, figuring

6182
02:28:29,426 --> 02:28:31,194
out how how to make sure that

6183
02:28:31,194 --> 02:28:32,663
we are also looking at

6184
02:28:32,663 --> 02:28:34,663
accountability for those

6185
02:28:35,166 --> 02:28:36,660
appointments that MAY be more

6186
02:28:36,660 --> 02:28:36,235
complicated than what you

6187
02:28:36,235 --> 02:28:37,368
re

6188
02:28:37,368 --> 02:28:38,369
putting in front of us right

6189
02:28:38,369 --> 02:28:40,103
now.

6190
02:28:40,103 --> 02:28:41,380
I believe that probably would

6191
02:28:41,380 --> 02:28:43,380
warrant some further

6192
02:28:43,507 --> 02:28:45,442
discussion. And I would also

6193
02:28:45,442 --> 02:28:46,409
want to have a discussion with

6194
02:28:46,409 --> 02:28:47,378
the various boards and

6195
02:28:47,378 --> 02:28:49,580
commissions about what that

6196
02:28:49,580 --> 02:28:51,580
would look like.

6197
02:28:52,382 --> 02:28:52,516
Council Member Snyder.

6198
02:28:52,516 --> 02:28:54,516
I

6199
02:28:56,200 --> 02:28:58,322
m just wondering, would it be

6200
02:28:58,322 --> 02:28:59,790
possible to require a

6201
02:28:59,790 --> 02:29:00,825
recommendation letter from the

6202
02:29:00,825 --> 02:29:02,526
current director of the

6203
02:29:02,526 --> 02:29:04,228
committee that they be

6204
02:29:04,228 --> 02:29:04,461
reappointed? Because if they

6205
02:29:04,461 --> 02:29:05,896
re

6206
02:29:05,896 --> 02:29:06,630
not performing, the director

6207
02:29:06,630 --> 02:29:07,198
isn

6208
02:29:07,198 --> 02:29:08,999
t going to write him a

6209
02:29:08,999 --> 02:29:10,534
letter asking they be

6210
02:29:10,534 --> 02:29:11,736
reappointed. I mean, is that

6211
02:29:11,736 --> 02:29:15,106
like the way we could solve

6212
02:29:15,106 --> 02:29:17,106
that?

6213
02:29:17,775 --> 02:29:18,509
We do currently require when

6214
02:29:18,509 --> 02:29:20,211
someone is up for

6215
02:29:20,211 --> 02:29:21,245
reappointment, that the Border

6216
02:29:21,245 --> 02:29:22,713
Commission make a

6217
02:29:22,713 --> 02:29:23,180
recommendation on that.

6218
02:29:23,180 --> 02:29:23,514
Okay.

6219
02:29:23,514 --> 02:29:25,514
So it

6220
02:29:26,617 --> 02:29:28,617
s already.

6221
02:29:30,621 --> 02:29:33,621
Any other questions or comments?

6222
02:29:37,461 --> 02:29:39,697
Um, let me pull mine up here. I

6223
02:29:39,697 --> 02:29:41,165
would prefer and not put it as

6224
02:29:41,165 --> 02:29:43,334
a requirement to still swear

6225
02:29:43,334 --> 02:29:46,537
him in at council meeting, but

6226
02:29:46,537 --> 02:29:47,305
understand that certain things

6227
02:29:47,305 --> 02:29:47,771
come up where they can

6228
02:29:47,771 --> 02:29:49,730
t always

6229
02:29:49,730 --> 02:29:49,673
make it. But that

6230
02:29:49,673 --> 02:29:50,774
s a

6231
02:29:50,774 --> 02:29:51,508
preference, is what I

6232
02:29:51,508 --> 02:29:53,508
m saying

6233
02:29:56,313 --> 02:29:57,214
not a requirement? Yes. Mayor

6234
02:29:57,214 --> 02:29:57,415
Pro tem.

6235
02:29:57,415 --> 02:29:59,415
That

6236
02:30:00,351 --> 02:30:02,751
s the preference already.

6237
02:30:02,954 --> 02:30:04,622
But it can cause people to not

6238
02:30:04,622 --> 02:30:07,725
be able to take their seats and

6239
02:30:07,725 --> 02:30:09,894
serve. And we can be putting as

6240
02:30:09,894 --> 02:30:10,127
much as a seven week delay in

6241
02:30:10,127 --> 02:30:11,328
people

6242
02:30:11,328 --> 02:30:13,964
s ability to serve on,

6243
02:30:13,964 --> 02:30:16,300
on a committee or commission

6244
02:30:16,300 --> 02:30:18,869
and be an effective member if

6245
02:30:18,869 --> 02:30:20,572
we have to wait until they get

6246
02:30:20,572 --> 02:30:21,839
to a city council meeting

6247
02:30:21,839 --> 02:30:23,741
before they can then go to the

6248
02:30:23,741 --> 02:30:24,375
next monthly.

6249
02:30:24,375 --> 02:30:24,742
Which is why I

6250
02:30:24,742 --> 02:30:25,977
m saying

6251
02:30:25,977 --> 02:30:27,445
preference in that requirement.

6252
02:30:27,445 --> 02:30:28,130
So at.

6253
02:30:28,130 --> 02:30:29,460
Preference isn

6254
02:30:29,460 --> 02:30:29,213
t a policy? No,

6255
02:30:29,213 --> 02:30:30,949
it

6256
02:30:30,949 --> 02:30:33,949
s just a an approach.

6257
02:30:36,154 --> 02:30:37,722
My opinion. Okay. Anybody else?

6258
02:30:37,722 --> 02:30:39,323
Okay. We got some adjustments

6259
02:30:39,323 --> 02:30:40,458
to be made okay.

6260
02:30:40,458 --> 02:30:42,260
Thank you. All this will be

6261
02:30:42,260 --> 02:30:43,661
coming back to you um, at a

6262
02:30:43,661 --> 02:30:45,661
regular meeting.

6263
02:30:46,698 --> 02:30:48,533
Thank you. Does anybody have

6264
02:30:48,533 --> 02:30:49,567
any policy items they need to

6265
02:30:49,567 --> 02:30:49,800
bring up that they couldn

6266
02:30:49,800 --> 02:30:51,800
t

6267
02:30:54,572 --> 02:30:55,940
bring on the online form? Okay.

6268
02:30:55,940 --> 02:30:57,209
Next meeting, next week.

6269
02:30:57,209 --> 02:30:57,375
Regular meeting downstairs.

6270
02:30:57,375 --> 02:30:59,375
We