1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:18,700 My name is Tapet Sheryl. I'm an attorney with Bill Slydol. I'm here on behalf of the Buffalo Naval Park Committee. We're just requesting this body to authorize 2 00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:29,700 the Mayor to enter and put the consent in for three months, and also consent to vote. That during that three month period, we'll continue to go and go and get a longer term. 3 00:00:29,700 --> 00:00:36,700 I've been in touch with Mr. Marzole executive director and he said this is important for them, so I would recommend approval. 4 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:38,700 Motion to approve the pre-month extension. 5 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:42,700 Motion to approve three months extension, second by Council President Pigeon. Thank you. 6 00:00:42,700 --> 00:00:43,700 Thank you. 7 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:47,700 I don't remember for an Office of Appeal. I don't remember Franklin. 8 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:48,700 Item's open. 9 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:51,700 Motion to table, or the public hearing. 10 00:00:51,700 --> 00:00:53,700 I don't know for motion to table. 11 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:57,700 Motion to table, second by Mr. Forlettle, public hearing on December the 4th. 12 00:00:57,700 --> 00:01:00,700 I don't remember five special use permit. 13 00:01:00,700 --> 00:01:02,700 When I need five grant. 14 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:04,700 Motion to public hearing. 15 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:07,700 Motion to open the public hearing. Second by Mr. Go on back for 195 grant. 16 00:01:07,700 --> 00:01:09,700 The lady and gentleman are coming down. 17 00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:13,700 And then if you speak, please state your name for the record and me. 18 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:14,700 Mr. Chamberlain. 19 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:15,700 Mr. Chamberlain. 20 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:17,700 Item number six. 21 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:18,700 What? 22 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:19,700 Mr. Chamberlain. 23 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:20,700 Item number six. 24 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:22,700 What did you say? 25 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:24,700 We're not here for item number five. We're here for item number six. 26 00:01:24,700 --> 00:01:26,700 What did you say? 27 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:27,700 Item number five. 28 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:29,700 We're here on item number five. 29 00:01:29,700 --> 00:01:31,700 One ninety five grants. 30 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:33,700 You're jumping the gun. 31 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:37,700 Item number five. 32 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:39,700 Good afternoon everyone. 33 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:40,700 I'm Mr. Bernard Ramos. 34 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:42,700 Freddie Jay's barbecue. One nine five. 35 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:45,700 Branch Street requesting special use permit. 36 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:47,700 Outdoor dining tab room. 37 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:50,700 Currently just want to change use. 38 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:52,700 We're take out at this point. 39 00:01:52,700 --> 00:01:55,700 And we have to convert to the outdoor use. 40 00:01:55,700 --> 00:01:58,700 Outdoor dining and tab room. 41 00:01:58,700 --> 00:01:59,700 All right. 42 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:02,700 Thank you very much, sir. 43 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:03,700 Chairman. 44 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:04,700 I know the owner. 45 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:05,700 Is it? 46 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:06,700 Fred? 47 00:02:06,700 --> 00:02:07,700 Fred? 48 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:08,700 I know the owner. 49 00:02:08,700 --> 00:02:10,700 Fred is one of the few people that stayed. 50 00:02:10,700 --> 00:02:13,700 And decided to continue to invest in grants. 51 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:14,700 Three. 52 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:15,700 When many people are leaving. 53 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:18,700 I'm looking forward to actually going there. 54 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:20,700 Can you tell me what hours of operations. 55 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:21,700 The hours of operations. 56 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:22,700 We're going to be. 57 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:23,700 Yes sir. 58 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:24,700 On Sundays. 59 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:25,700 Ten to two. 60 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:26,700 Money. 61 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:27,700 The Saturday. 62 00:02:27,700 --> 00:02:28,700 Ten to five. 63 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:29,700 Ten to five. 64 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:30,700 Yes sir. 65 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:31,700 Okay. 66 00:02:32,700 --> 00:02:33,700 Motion closed public hearing. 67 00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:34,700 Motion closed public hearing. 68 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:35,700 Seconded by Mr. Scanlon. 69 00:02:35,700 --> 00:02:36,700 Motion to approve. 70 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:37,700 Motion approved. 71 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:39,700 Seconded by Mr. Fujin. 72 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:40,700 Thank you. 73 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:41,700 Item number six. 74 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:42,700 Adaptive. 75 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:43,700 Use permit. 76 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:44,700 Fourthed by. 77 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:46,700 Not over here. 78 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:48,700 Motion opened public hearing. 79 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:49,700 Seconded by Council Member Scanlon. 80 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:51,700 And the item now is as before us. 81 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:52,700 Eight. 82 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:53,700 Andrew Pays from the applicant. 83 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:54,700 Becoming with free. 84 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:55,700 Get with moral link. 85 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:56,700 Order. 86 00:02:56,700 --> 00:02:57,700 Becoming with. 87 00:02:57,700 --> 00:02:58,700 Okay. 88 00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:00,700 We are here for the application. 89 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:02,700 Technical information, especially you permit. 90 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:06,700 Or the point house is the residence and City of Buffalo. 91 00:03:06,700 --> 00:03:08,700 We have a pair before the out on those, 92 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:09,700 These in. 93 00:03:09,700 --> 00:03:10,700 There. 94 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:11,700 Housing and Historic Preservation, many in. 95 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:13,700 We would be the better support. 96 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:15,200 There run the only mid wifer. 97 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,700 In the city of Buffalo and in. 98 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:18,700 What area. 99 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:23,700 That's a very unique. 100 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:24,700 Service and I have heard about all support in the community and. 101 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:25,700 Do you want to. 102 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:27,700 Don't you describe it a little bit how it's going to work. 103 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:28,700 Just. 104 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:36,700 So currently I have an office in the state of your name for Laura Winkler, currently I have an office in Delaware that we have outgrown so we're 105 00:03:36,700 --> 00:03:44,700 intending to move our office space into the courthouse and use that for outpatient appointments. So, you know, basically just regularly scheduled 106 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:54,700 financial and postpartum care and well woman care. And then we intend to do a few births a month in the courthouse. We also do birth home birth and hospital birth as well. 107 00:03:54,700 --> 00:04:04,700 So, it will just be however many patients a month decide to give birth at the courthouse. Currently we're doing about 8 to 10 total births a month in all locations. 108 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:18,700 You have nursing staff there, but what a bit more much. We actually really practice true midwifery model care, which means that our patients don't usually see any nursing staff for their regularly scheduled appointments. 109 00:04:18,700 --> 00:04:30,700 They're face to face with the midwife the entire time. So, people in an assistant when someone is in labor, but otherwise we don't anticipate having more than a few people in the house than any given time. 110 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:42,700 And you have to be licensed by the state. Yeah, that's what our license might be. I'm also certified nurse midwife and the midwife that works with me Lydia is a certified midwife and we're both licensed by New York State. 111 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:50,700 Very good. Any other questions on this? No? Motion to close the public hearing. 112 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:55,700 Motion to close the public hearing. Second five counts of member go on that motion to approve. Motion to approve. Second five counts of member go on that. Thank you. 113 00:04:55,700 --> 00:05:04,700 Thank you. I don't remember seven special use for mid five hundred. Motion to table. Motion to table hearing on twelve four. Second five. Mr. for. 114 00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:08,700 I don't remember eight plus naming a job park. 115 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:17,700 Item is open. This item is open. I know that the K9 facility on the Louisiana Street is named in honor of officer leaner. 116 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:22,700 So, I don't know. You know. 117 00:05:23,700 --> 00:05:29,700 You think. You'd like to receive. Name another one. We could receive and file it unless I'm many. Motion to receive. 118 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:34,700 Motion to receive and file. Second by Mr. Scandal. I don't remember nine. I'd have to reuse. 119 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:44,700 Motion to table items. Nine and ten and eleven and twelve. Motion to table items. Nine and ten and eleven and twelve. All second by council member for lentil. 120 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:50,700 Twelve is marked actually approve. It's a food store in the university. I was asked to table. 121 00:05:50,700 --> 00:06:00,700 This table up to a food including item eleven. All second by Mr. for lentil. And then twelve is request for approval. 122 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:13,700 Oh. They see twelve here marked a food. Well that was the chain. Sorry about that. So that will be on the table also. All second by Mr. for lentil is previously said. Thank you. 123 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:16,700 Item number 13 stop sign. 124 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:22,700 Stop sign at sword and fenton. I don't see Mr. Fontana. So. 125 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:27,700 Option to table list. Motion to table. Second by council president. 126 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:37,700 Take from the table. I know 16 23 27 and 37 and 37. Take from the table. I know 16 23 27 37 all second by council member for lentil. 127 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:46,700 Motion to approve. Second by Mr. Scanner. 128 00:06:46,700 --> 00:06:56,700 Item number 23 is only map amendment. Motion open the public motion open the public hearing. Second by council member. Scanner for 64. 129 00:06:56,700 --> 00:07:01,700 Fill more. I know where are the folks that are here. They were here. What do they go? 130 00:07:02,700 --> 00:07:11,700 We can hold that on vans and go back to it. Motion to hold in the bans. Motion to hold that item in a bans. Second by council member for lentil. 131 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:15,700 Item number 27 up and out. 132 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:16,700 Okay. 133 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:21,700 Item is open Sean. 134 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:26,700 I hear the speaker that. 135 00:07:26,700 --> 00:07:30,700 Here's some commotion in the hall. 136 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:34,700 Yeah. Everybody. When you got to go, you got to go as a long meeting. 137 00:07:34,700 --> 00:07:36,700 Now you want to speak to that sir. 138 00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:40,700 Okay. Sit down. Station name for the right. 139 00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:44,700 On the R. P. T. L. 140 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:46,700 We'll property tax law second. 141 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:57,700 The 45. Oh, there is. There's assemblyman Ryan. So floral be his. 142 00:07:57,700 --> 00:08:06,700 Good afternoon everybody. Several human members looked like he's had a very long day already. 143 00:08:06,700 --> 00:08:11,700 Yeah. I'll try to talk pretty fast. 144 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:16,700 So thanks for having me here today to talk about the New York state real property law section. 145 00:08:16,700 --> 00:08:24,700 Or eighty five. This law was supposed to be the upstate city's version of the New York City law. 146 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:30,700 Which was to give an incentive to rehabilitate and repurpose buildings. 147 00:08:30,700 --> 00:08:37,700 Whether they're industrial buildings or underutilized office buildings and then turn them into residential buildings. 148 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:40,700 So from the bottom of perspective, you know, think. 149 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:47,700 Lafayette Square. A people were to underutilized office space with high vacancy rate. 150 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:57,700 We wanted to give an incentive to turn buildings like that into apartments while still keeping a first floor commercial residential retail to keep the 151 00:08:57,700 --> 00:09:03,700 the vibrancy going or think like an elephant street something like with a sea bar restaurant is. 152 00:09:03,700 --> 00:09:07,700 You know, landing industrial space that is now restaurant first floor. 153 00:09:07,700 --> 00:09:11,700 Pop two floors of apartment buildings. 154 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:18,700 So these are the types of projects that my research show that this law was created to develop. 155 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:27,700 And the help that we're supposed to give is to keep the assessed amount for taxation purposes at the pre-conversion level. 156 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:31,700 So if a building is worth a hundred thousand dollars, it's assessed that. 157 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:33,700 Something comes in and puts a million into it. 158 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:38,700 The owner would keep the taxable level at a hundred thousand for eight years. 159 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:41,700 And then step it up for the next four years, eight to twelve. 160 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:43,700 The get to a hundred. 161 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:47,700 But cities around the state have been struggling with this law. 162 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:53,700 Albany is currently undergoing a review of their entire program and investigations taking place there. 163 00:09:53,700 --> 00:10:02,700 Serious is that awful troubles wrestling this law into the onto the ground and implementing it. 164 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:09,700 So in my interest in how it's being applied in Buffalo occurred after the public accountability offer. 165 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:14,700 Our office released a study of their own looking at how it's being applied here. 166 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:18,700 So I had some familiarity with the problems in Syracuse and Albany. 167 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:21,700 But now I'm looking at how it's being applied here. 168 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:30,700 But around the state, you know, landing machines were put in bodies of residential buildings. 169 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:34,700 And they were then qualified as a mixed use building. 170 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:39,700 The basement of an apartment building was called a commercial space, which then said, 171 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:42,700 Europe qualified for the tax abatement. 172 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:46,700 People have called rental offices, commercial space. 173 00:10:46,700 --> 00:10:51,700 We've had people renting out lobbies of apartment buildings for birthday parties. 174 00:10:51,700 --> 00:11:00,700 And that qualifies for a tax abatement or, you know, one small apartment in a large building. 175 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:06,700 So around the state there's been all sorts of these types of applications. 176 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:12,700 The program also seems to have morphed into something much differently than we originally envisioned. 177 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:17,700 In the early years around the state it was applied only to conversions of existing buildings. 178 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:19,700 You know, turning them into mixed use buildings. 179 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:22,700 But now it's being used for new builds. 180 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:27,700 I guess under the argument that they're converting vacant land into a building. 181 00:11:27,700 --> 00:11:36,700 Even after some cases that properties were demolished to make the land vacant and then to have it be rebuilt upon. 182 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:46,700 So I think it's ready to take this program ready to have a book taken at it to see if reform is in the air. 183 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:51,700 So it's pretty clear that they're looking at the statute and how it's been implemented. 184 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:54,700 That some change needs to be placed. 185 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:55,700 Take place. 186 00:11:55,700 --> 00:12:00,700 That's the council to keep in mind that this law was put in place in 2002. 187 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:05,700 It was really the only tool in the toolbox for urban redevelopment. 188 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:10,700 In 2002 there was no tax credit and there was no brownfield tax credit. 189 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:16,700 So, you know, this was the only tool we had to spur development in the urban core. 190 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:23,700 But now that we've implemented these other subsidies programs, it's time for us to take a look at the 45. 191 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:27,700 To see how it fits in today's subsidy landscape. 192 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:34,700 So I've had meetings under subject with developers, financiers, attorneys. 193 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:40,700 And I'm setting up small group meetings with small scale developer and large developers. 194 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:49,700 But I'm here today to inform you what I'm doing but also to see if you have any feedback on this. 195 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:56,700 So what I'm looking at from my perspective is those the programs still made sense. 196 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:59,700 Do you feel the program is operating the way it should? 197 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:01,700 Should it be reviewed? 198 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:03,700 Should it be repealed? 199 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:04,700 Should it be reform? 200 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:06,700 Well, we just didn't. 201 00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:11,700 What you folks have to say about this piece of legislation. 202 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:15,700 Now, Sean and Council President Prickson's resolution. 203 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:22,700 He says that before he 5A should have an element or some level code on code of affordable housing. 204 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:28,700 Your issue is that in that Benderson project, the only had one unit over all project. 205 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:32,700 And I don't know if Mr. Mahapere, I don't know what are you here for? 206 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:34,700 Marty, are you here for this group? 207 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:42,700 So now we would have to change that we would have to memorialize something here and send it to you guys, right? 208 00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:47,700 Well, it's not necessarily a whole rule item Council Member Franz Axel. 209 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:52,700 What we'd like to do is to do the review to hear input. 210 00:13:52,700 --> 00:13:57,700 Not just from Buffalo, but from Syracuse and other cities to try to come up with a unified. 211 00:13:57,700 --> 00:14:02,700 A version of how we would like to have this law change. 212 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:09,700 So, Buffalo housing is certainly one of the items people have called for in reform. 213 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:13,700 But that's just one of the many things that I'm going to take. 214 00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:15,700 Right now they have this as a matter of, right? 215 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:20,700 Except as my discussion with the law department is that they come for especially use permit. 216 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:22,700 They still have to go through this body. 217 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:29,700 And you don't like what we see, we can say go back and do something that's more in the harmony of this act. 218 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:37,700 Surely one of the options on the table is to not make it a matter of right to make it a but four program, 219 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:40,700 which is the development could not take place. 220 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:47,700 But for this program, recall the new programs that we have in place, the Brownfieldment Historic, 221 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:54,700 which is sometimes created situations where developers layer several different subsidies, 222 00:14:54,700 --> 00:14:59,700 often without the other player even knowing that this subsidy. 223 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:07,000 And so you're introducing, are you have something that will speak to this on the state level? 224 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:21,000 I will, I don't know, but before I act that I wanted to get a good idea, certainly from the council, let them know what I was doing and to get their input before we went forward. 225 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,000 There's some basic housekeeping items that you would probably do if you were to do this today. 226 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:36,000 You know, one is you would have yearly reports going to the state Department of Taxation of Finance, which is common for a lot of subsidy programs. 227 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:44,000 The program under the purview of the authorities budget office in most other subsidies programs go under that purview. 228 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:59,000 So it's a state entity that can look at the application and then items like guaranteeing a certain percentage of residential space, a certain percentage of commercial space. 229 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:15,000 And if one of the things we wanted to do was to incentivize ground field retail ground floor retail would be to make sure that the commercial space had it on the ground floor as opposed to tucked into a larger building. 230 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:27,000 And then the other house gate would be to perhaps target specific areas rather than having an entitlement that's available in the anywhere in the municipality. 231 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:36,000 You could focus it like like for example on downtown core as opposed to anywhere you want in the city. 232 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:46,000 But it is good to keep in mind, the problem is that we have with this law, they're not individualized to any municipality. 233 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Any municipality that's adopted this statute has had problems with the statute. 234 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Thank you. Marty, did you want to speak to this? 235 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Thank you Mr. Chairman, I'm Martin Kennedy. 236 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Commissioner of Assessment and Tax. 237 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:13,000 I'm here with a friend of a half the executive doctor of strategic planning as well as Moses Robinson, our principal assistant. 238 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Obviously our role is not to create the law. 239 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Our role is to implement the exemption when it presented to us and we see that it qualifies. 240 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,000 We put on the assessment rule. 241 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:46,000 I can assure the Assemblyman that we agree with you that there are items that you mentioned about things like vetting machine or anything of that nature has not happened in the city of Buffalo. 242 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:57,000 The one apartment in a building is once, maybe twice. 243 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:04,000 I think that this exemption has been a catalyst in the city of Buffalo in the redevelopment we see today. 244 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:15,000 We had 85 properties on the 2018 assessment rule that are certainly benefiting from this exemption. 245 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,000 This exemption right now. 246 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:26,000 It just struck me as the Assemblyman was speaking that this law came on the books in 2002. 247 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,000 That's 16 years ago. 248 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,000 It burns a half in 12 years. 249 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,000 So in the very beginning we had small participation. 250 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 There's a word which is getting out. 251 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000 So I'm sorry. 252 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,000 I didn't think of it until just now. 253 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:49,000 I don't know how many of these were approved and have already burned out. 254 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000 I'm sure there's some. 255 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Probably not a lot. 256 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:03,000 People come in today and they are converting these buildings to a next use and it works very, very well. 257 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:09,000 I think again it's been a catalyst to that redevelopment of Buffalo that we see today. 258 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,000 We're all thrilled to see. 259 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,000 There's obviously some changes that can be made. 260 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,000 We don't agree with everything in the law. 261 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,000 The law requires. 262 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Not the conversion of a building, but the way the law is written. 263 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:37,000 It's the conversion of non-residential real property. 264 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000 And we've gone through this. 265 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000 We've investigated this. 266 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:46,000 We want to be sure in what we say to people and what we do. 267 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:52,000 But non-residential real property is. 268 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Any property, vacant land or with the building on it. 269 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 It doesn't say it improved you. 270 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000 That's the law. 271 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,000 And that's where we have to be. 272 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,000 We can't change it. 273 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000 When I say we. 274 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,000 I mean in my department. 275 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,000 We cannot change something. 276 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,000 You're home with. 277 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000 We can't tell one person. 278 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Yes. 279 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 And another person. 280 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000 No. 281 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Because we don't like what's going on. 282 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000 We have to go. 283 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,000 So that's where we're at. 284 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000 I think that it can be approved. 285 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,000 I don't think it should be eliminated. 286 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:34,000 But there can be some changes made that is making improvement for the city, 287 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000 as well as keeping it reliable. 288 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Sorry. 289 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,000 Before I go to Council, President Bridget Brendan, 290 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000 we do have anything to do. 291 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,000 President, I have the Executive Director of Mayor's Office of Strategic Planning. 292 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,000 You know, I will say that in my observation, 293 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Commissioner Kennedy and his staff have been extremely diligent in the application of this law. 294 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:10,000 There are many questions raised by the initial drafting in the adoption of how it was written quite frankly. 295 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:17,000 And Commissioner Kennedy has been very diligent in the interpretation of that to ensure that. 296 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,000 People who are entitled to something as of right arm back receiving it. 297 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,000 So that is again another. 298 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,000 The portion of the law that's that's how the law is is written. 299 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:37,000 So we this has become certainly a much more popular option, 300 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,000 but it's not simply because people just learned about it, 301 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,000 but it's because. 302 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,000 Although it's changing and there still needs to be base rents that are in place in order for. 303 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000 These projects to go forward. 304 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:53,000 So this is a compliment to many other tools that are out there to achieve the redevelopment of our land and our buildings. 305 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 And I think as the assembly member was saying, 306 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:06,000 welcoming the dialogue of understanding how these all fit within the broader context of the full suite of tools that are out there and understanding how we are achieving. 307 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Objectives that certainly for the conversion of many underutilized and even taken in abandoned properties. 308 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 This has been a very important tool for the city of Buffalo. 309 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Have you given any thoughts of how we should change it. 310 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Well, I think clarification probably is one of the things straight out of the bat and some of the process as well that the assembly member has talked about. 311 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:42,000 The outcomes in terms of one residential unit being in a building that is otherwise commercial and or retail. 312 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:51,000 I think there's certainly a question to be asked about whether one is enough and does that meet the original intent of the law as it was drafted. 313 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:59,000 It certainly needs it as is written and again that is commissioner Kennedy in his diligence reading language as it is written before him. 314 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:10,000 So I think these are all questions that can be discussed to see that it is meeting how it is meeting to virtual intent and it can be improved. 315 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 How's the president of Virginia? 316 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:23,000 I'm going to share some of the things if probably need to receive and file this item and then file it again and it would have different heading because it says acting out. 317 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,000 And I do support 45 a. 318 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:35,000 And if you read the resolution it talks about making amendments to it not opting out. 319 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000 That's number one. 320 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:44,000 And maybe we just amend this so that it does talk about what we're talking about now about how we adjust it. 321 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Just because something is on the books doesn't mean that it should never be looked at as how do we tune this up for what's happening. 322 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Happening currently in our community in our city. 323 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:05,000 I want to make it plain that the city doesn't have the ability to change 485 a. 324 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,000 This is state. 325 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:14,000 So our state representatives are the ones that have so if something is not right with it and we have discussion earlier. 326 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:22,000 It's up to our delegation to make that clarification and make the changes to 485 a. 327 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:33,000 The one thing that I discussed earlier with you some of the number is that I think it's important to work with city government to work with. 328 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:43,000 But Mr. Mahafi's office the administration the council in advance of making any changes because you know this was. 329 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:49,000 My idea just based on really on my fight for affordable housing. 330 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:55,000 I know when sometime you talk about inclusionary zoning affordable housing people go you're going to stop development. 331 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:05,000 So government has a responsibility in its legislation to take care of all people and especially those who are most vulnerable. 332 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:15,000 And so that's why in just our searching for how else can we ensure that we have affordable housing and buffalo. 333 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:23,000 This was just a option to talk about so going forward and I did talk to the mayor earlier today. 334 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,000 The mayor has been in touch with the assembly and I think that together. 335 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Although we didn't write it any any ambiguities in the law. 336 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,000 We didn't the city didn't write we just utilizing what is in front of us. 337 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:45,000 But I do think that there needs to be further meetings so that these things are discussed and we end somewhere. 338 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,000 We're not always going up on the same page but somewhere in the middle to book thanks Mister. 339 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Thank you very much. 340 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,000 I just wanted to just a couple quick comments and I think it's important to note that the city. 341 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:07,000 For what I have talked to the law department city has two options when it comes to the 485A either opt in or opt out. 342 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000 So if we're out. 343 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:18,000 No project could use it and I think we all agree there's tons of a lot of great projects that use it whether the hotel. 344 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,000 So it's a lot of the ads. 345 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:28,000 I just walked through proper terminates project on Chandler Street where in council number the long back district. 346 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:35,000 I think he's doing hundreds of thousands square feet of a building that had been taken for three years. 347 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:44,000 I think it's also important to recognize that when we want to preserve historic buildings. 348 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:53,000 The amount that developers are getting from federal tax cuts is from federal tax credits has decreased significantly. 349 00:26:53,000 --> 00:27:06,000 So when people are when developers are going to rehab and bring a federal historic building back to mixed new building. 350 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,000 This is probably needed to do a lot of those projects because of where. 351 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Because the credits much less I think the credit before was about ninety three cents on the dollar now it's down to sixty eight cents on the dollar. 352 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:28,000 I was talking to a developer who's preserved many buildings and said the 485A is needed now more than it ever has to preserve buildings. 353 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:35,000 So I think that's one important thing to look at and I think it's I think it's also. 354 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:47,000 Very important to get as these something when we're saying to get the input from the local municipalities because I actually saw this reported before and someone was asking me they were criticizing the city and saying, 355 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:58,000 Oh, I can't believe the city gave a tax break or the city was giving taxpayer money to this project and the city is following the rules that the state gives us. 356 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:04,000 So a lot of I know a lot of my colleagues have both said publicly and privately they'd like to see. 357 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000 Some changes with this lot. 358 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Someone was saying how ridiculous that the state doesn't have MWBE requirements for this. 359 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:22,000 And I think it's important and it's I'm happy that you came here because I think a lot of my colleagues have concerns and it's there's some frustration because. 360 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:28,000 Council members in the local government don't have the ability to make these changes and it's kind of completely states. 361 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:34,000 I think it's very important that you're getting input from the local bodies all over the state. 362 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Thank you. 363 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000 Council members gather. 364 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,000 Thank you Mr. Chairman. 365 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:49,000 I just have kind of one kind of kind of like a word of caution moving forward as you look to maybe tinker this law or and some people calling for us to eliminate it all together. 366 00:28:49,000 --> 00:29:00,000 I got out all together but moving forward I would caution against eliminating it absolutely but just I'm concerned how much we do tinker because you didn't mention. 367 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:16,000 And 2002 when this was implemented was kind of the only tool we had we didn't have the historic tax credit the Brownfield credits but obviously with the kind of the temperature and the environment in Washington we obviously know there's been an attack on the historic tax credits and things of that nature. 368 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:27,000 So I'd hate to see us go down the road alter this program a terrible amount or eliminate it and then have the tax credits or things of that nature eliminated and then not have any sort of program to rely on. 369 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:38,000 So moving forward I just love to see us take all that stuff in consideration as well because we know obviously if we're going on this road we all know how difficult the New York state tax is to change so to have to come back and trying to do it again. 370 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,000 I think it'd be rather difficult so that's just by one word of caution. 371 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Thank you very much. 372 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:51,000 I want to commend our assembly member from drawing attention to this and we do attention to it before. 373 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Assembly member even came to us and we thank you for highlighting it. 374 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,000 It's certainly something that needs to be looked at. 375 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000 When I need with the right. 376 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Residents, as a matter of fact, I just met with them in the omelette village, not too long ago, and many day residents were concerned about layers and layers of subsidies and tax write-offs in 485A. I was surprised at how many people were aware of what was happening in the subsidies and they asked you point blank, what are the benefits to the city? 377 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:44,000 So, certainly, there has to be some benefit if we're giving subsidies and tax write-offs, 485A, we have to somehow make sure that there is a benefit to the public, and I thank you for that, because that is exactly what you're looking for. 378 00:30:44,000 --> 00:31:02,000 And highlighting perhaps some of the things that weren't intended to be, but yet if you find anybody worth this salt, any attorney worth this salt or developer, or folks that know how to find money, anywhere there is, they'll find ways within this line. 379 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:12,000 There's enough room in this law for them to do exactly that. You mentioned perhaps not here in Buffalo, but perhaps in other places where you put machines and that makes it eligible. 380 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:21,000 One apartment in a building that makes it eligible. So, certainly, we need to go back and you need to know that the city needs to pay a roll in this as well. 381 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:29,000 We just can't sit back and say, okay, we're just going to give it out. We have to find ways in this has to work for the city as well. 382 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:39,000 We need an office of strategic planning that's going to say, hey, Assemblymember, we're willing to work with you out there. There should be a benefit to the community. 383 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:46,000 We should eliminate all those things that are weren't intended, but somehow they made their way through. 384 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,000 But I think we have to be a part of that conversation, because it does affect us. 385 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:59,000 We are, by right giving out these benefits that state allows, and I agree, it's in state law. It has to be changed. 386 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:11,000 But we should be part of that as saying encouraging the state, hey, look at it. Perhaps not eliminated, but let's correct some of the things that are wrong in that law, because there are things wrong with the law. 387 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000 So, I encourage the city of Buffalo offices of strategic planning that's our economic ground. 388 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:25,000 To be engaged in this process as well, and work with the Assemblymember, work with this common council to look at some places where we can make the law even better. 389 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Not necessarily, I've dealt with, but make the law even better. So I commend the Assemblymember for drawing attention to that. Thank you very much. 390 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000 Councilmember Wingball. 391 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:45,000 Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't disagree with with my colleague, but I do believe that any law that is drafted written past. 392 00:32:45,000 --> 00:33:00,000 No, there's no perfect law. There's no perfect law. And to the credit of the developers who have the ingenuity to ensure that these packages are benefiting them, that's their thing. 393 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:08,000 And that's what they do. There are want to be components of all of these bills and legislation that need to be tweaked. 394 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:24,000 There's always going to be a situation where you're going to find a developer who is taking advantage per se of a loophole or a component of the bill that doesn't address a certain issue. 395 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:31,000 So I do agree that there are some things that need to be considered as a relates to this bill, so that the taxpayers are receiving a major benefit. 396 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:37,000 Nonetheless, I think that we've seen benefits across the board as all of this development has spurred because of this bill. 397 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:50,000 And if this legislation is a part of a package that encourages the developers to continue to come to the city, I agree with my colleague, Councilman for a little with the constituents who had concerns regarding the MBBE, 398 00:33:51,000 --> 00:34:00,000 and WBE practices, as it relates to the folks who are being hired for some of these out of who actually receive the district's credit. 399 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:09,000 So I do see the need for the bill, though. I do see the need for the bill, but I do also see the need for some revisions. 400 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:24,000 And if the Assemblymember is, if the Assemblymember, Assemblymember Ryan is correct, then his concerns, then we should be seeing some type of amendment. 401 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:32,000 How to this bill coming through a pipe pretty soon that we can need to show our support for or our lack of support for. 402 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,000 Thank you, Secretary. 403 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,000 Thank you very much. Any other councilmember? If not, Assemblymember Ryan, did you want to have a wrap up? 404 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,000 Sure. Thank you for welcoming me to your Cambridge today. 405 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:51,000 And I look forward to moving forward on a review of this bill in partnership with the city of Buffalo. 406 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:58,000 You know, what documents we do have revealed that nobody uses this program as much as the city of Buffalo. 407 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:12,000 So in some ways, the city is a super stakeholder based on the fact that they've used it much more than Syracuse or Albany or cities like Rochester who didn't opt in. 408 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:19,000 I look forward to working in partnership with this body and with the city of Buffalo. Once again, thanks for having me in today. 409 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000 Thanks, Sean. Thanks, like you guys, good. 410 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000 Marty. 411 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Thank you, Mr. Joe, and I'd like to just point out one more thing that I hear all the time that the city is losing a lot of text dollars because of 45A. 412 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,000 I look at it the other way around that these projects are 85 projects here. 413 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:55,000 I can't say all of them are in the same category, but I don't know how many of these projects are these teleappinated persons would have been converted to anything. 414 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:02,000 So, and as a summary, I'll correctly point it out in the beginning. 415 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:11,000 When you use the analogy of $100,000 building in a million dollars through it, that $100,000 continues to be tax. 416 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,000 It's the improvement that is exempt only the improvement. 417 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:26,000 So, if that improvement isn't there, $100,000 continues to be exempt, and there will be never anything there. 418 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,000 So, in the future, as these burn off, the city will be far better off. 419 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:43,000 And one more thing is that these projects, even though we're exempting the improved value, are creating jobs. 420 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:50,000 They're creating construction jobs, and all the peripheral things that go with it. 421 00:36:50,000 --> 00:37:00,000 The one thing I'd like to see, you know, as we've discussed this before, if there was a way in the law, whether or not just for Buffalo, 422 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:07,000 or for any municipality that uses this legislation, we talk about employment. 423 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:16,000 If there was some way to incorporate, if for example, in Buffalo, using a certain percentage of Buffalo residents in the jobs, 424 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:27,000 like you do for city-owned persons, when they're, if I'm not mistaken, a certain number of the workforce has to be from Buffalo. 425 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:36,000 I think I'm right on that, exactly positive, but if there was some way to incorporate that thinking into the law, we'd be on that. 426 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000 Thank you very much, Mr. Forlettle. 427 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,000 And I'd add to what Commissioner County said, I think that's a really good point. 428 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:54,000 I know any time the city is selling, selling property like with the, and we did something with the Aubrey Knox, who did the amendment to transfer the land, 429 00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:00,000 to them for their expansion. There was a clause in there to have local fires. 430 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:08,000 I think they were, there were some negotiations for the Gates circle, parking ram, and that was part of it too. 431 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:14,000 So I think that it's great that the city does that, and I'm sure, I'm not sure if other cities do that too. 432 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,000 But I think that would be very good to do, stay wide and close, thank you. 433 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,000 Thank you. 434 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,000 No one else did, there is, did you say you wanted to receive and file that one and put it on? 435 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000 No. 436 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:33,000 I think we can, can we admit, I just want the title omitted, because we have to receive and file it and put it in a whole new item. 437 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000 I think you got to put it in a new item. 438 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,000 Well, we'll leave it on, and I'll file it. 439 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000 Okay, we can table it, and then you can table. 440 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,000 Motion to table. 441 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Second fight, Council Member Scanlan. Thank you for coming in, Sean. 442 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Thank you. 443 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,000 I don't remember 23, zoning map on that meant 64, come on. 444 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000 That's a public hearing. 445 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000 That's a public hearing, emotional. 446 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000 Motion open the public hearing, second-by-mister. 447 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,000 Go on back for 64. 448 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,000 Fill more. 449 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Please come on down. 450 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000 Did that. 451 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000 State your name for the record. 452 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:16,000 We're going to change the zoning of the building from N2R to N2E. 453 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,000 Is a commercial building we're going to purchase it. 454 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:29,000 We're going to change the zoning of the building from N2R to N2E. 455 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,000 It was a commercial building we're going to purchase it. 456 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,000 But was inverted to residential and the green code started, 457 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:42,000 and we are converting it to a mixed use since it's at historically commercial building. 458 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000 Right. 459 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:50,000 And that's, I've been to your facility, which is a teaching facility for people. 460 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000 And how would you describe it? 461 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000 I saw like, I always think I served this all day when I go in there, 462 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,000 but maybe you could explain it better. 463 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,000 The building is used for the bird's nest circuits. 464 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:12,000 It's a circuit studio where we teach partner acrobatics, aerial arts and balancing yoga 465 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,000 and have a number of community practices and classes every week. 466 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000 Yeah, you've been here before. 467 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,000 I think it's a great project and we just think the way the zoning is now 468 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:32,000 and to E next use edge is better than the DC-plets commercial, which is too broad. 469 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,000 So we think this kind of narrows it down to do to accommodate what you want to do. 470 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000 So I would be in support of this project. 471 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000 Motion close public hearing. 472 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000 Motion close public hearing. 473 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000 Second by council president, president. 474 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000 Motion through. 475 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000 Motion approved. 476 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,000 Second by council member. 477 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000 One back. 478 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000 Thank you very much. 479 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000 Item number 37, we start license. 480 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000 15.22. 481 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000 Motion through. 482 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000 Motion through. 483 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000 Motion through. 484 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000 Motion through. 485 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Stetheric. 486 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,000 Item. 487 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000 25. 488 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,000 20. 489 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,000 25. 490 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,000 I don't remember 25. 491 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000 If you. 492 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000 Motion through. 493 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,000 Motion due. 494 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,000 Second by. 495 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000 Motion through. 496 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,000 Motion due. 497 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:31,000 I'd like to take Chris Lainer off the table, I think this is her last meeting, so thank you very much, Chris for everything. 498 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000 Kudos. 499 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,000 Thank you. 500 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000 God bless us. God bless us. 501 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000 I wish you had a partner. 502 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000 Okay, the second to adjourn is by Mr. Bridges. 503 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000 Happy Thanksgiving.