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all one college park. Thank you. Good evening College Park.

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It is twist at 7:30 P.m.

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march 19 I am calling to the order of the Mayor and Council regular meeting of the city of College Park City Council College Park, Maryland.

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Park City Council College Park, Maryland. I'll begin the meeting with a moment of silent meditation, followed by a pledge of allegiance to tonight.

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This will be led by council member Reg Colleagues.

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Do.

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You want to add anything to the meditation?

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Recording in progress.

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Saying.

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No, Please join me in a moment of silent meditation.

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Council.

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To.

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The flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God.

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And, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Well. Let's start with the roll call the Council member Hernandez president present Doctor esters, Miss Whitney present, Amir put, Mitchell had to step out to attend a meeting, but she

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Mitchell had to step out to attend a meeting, but she'll be back in.

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back in. I believe at eight o'clock Councilor R Mackie.

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Adams also couldn

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Council member. Adams also couldn't come because of the family.

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Um, issue Uh, Councilor Re I will start again with District one for announcements.

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Hernandez Works at, uh, tomorrow we

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Hernandez Works at, uh, tomorrow we're going to be hosting our second District one discussion and Davis Hall.

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discussion and Davis Hall. Uh, It's going to be from 7 to 930.

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Thank Mayor Kabir, Uh, the city manager and council member, Hugh for, uh, for attending.

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member, Hugh for, uh, for attending. We're gonna be tackling some some heart issues and and just kind of forecasting some of the city business to include the upcoming budget work session, uh, putting our heads together to think about how we,

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uh how we revitalize and engage the Hollywood farmers market and discussing any other topics.

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Uh, At top of mind of our residents looking forward to seeing, uh, those that can attend, Uh, a zoom link is out.

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Uh, and it is also on the city website.

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Thank you.

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City staff.

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also on the city website. Thank you. City staff. Thank you? I'm looking forward to tending because Hill Uh, thank you.

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looking forward to tending because Hill Uh, thank you. I'd like to, um, send out a thank you to everybody who attended the, uh, Sunset celebration.

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Acknowledging, Ramadan and Easter this, uh, last week.

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Uh, it was a really nice community turnout and, uh, expression of, uh, diversity and and acceptance amongst all those who attended Thank you And.

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Thanks for organizing it and customer doctor esters.

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The Berwin District Civic Association will hold its monthly meeting this Thursday, uh, March 21st at 730.

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It will be in person at vital traditions.

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Uh, wellness Center, uh, located at 4912 Berwyn Road.

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Thank you and council member Whitney.

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I Want to encourage, Um Berwyn residents and others to express their preferences for uses for the Roanoke Pocket Park in Berwyn.

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You can find, uh, the rank choice survey at my berwin.org also, uh, we

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uh, the rank choice survey at my berwin.org also, uh, we're excited about the ribbon cutting at 5:30 P.m.

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on Thursday at Lakeland Playground.

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I look forward to attending that one as well.

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Uh, customer, Mackie.

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attending that one as well. Uh, customer, Mackie. I'd like to remind residents that the opportunities to sign your Children up for summer camps are on the city website.

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This is a great opportunity that we get from our educational, um, advisory Committee to, um, send your kids to summer camp.

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advisory Committee to, um, send your kids to summer camp. I'd also like to remind you to look into the imagine.

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Learn tutoring program.

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Uh, A fact that many people don

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tutoring program. Uh, A fact that many people don't know is that there is opportunities for, um SAT prep.

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And, I Think AC T prep.

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Um please look into we still have 19 slots for the imagine.

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Learn tutoring program that the city sponsored this year, So.

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Please take advantage of these two opportunities.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, UH, Councilor Mare.

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Uh, thank you and just a quick announcement tomorrow night from 7 to 9 P.m.

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on an online platform, um, that begins with Z and ends with, um there will be the Calvert Hill Civic Association meeting.

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Um, like that The link can be obtained by, uh, by going to the Calvert Hills website.

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Calvert hills dot Thanks so much.

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Right, Uh, liaison, Mr Mirani.

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Thank you an update on the recruitment timeline for the next student liaison, Deputy student liaison.

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So applications went out this week and have been shared with SG a members and we

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week and have been shared with SG a members and we're also going to be putting it out on some other channels as well.

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Applications are due Friday.

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April 12th, So.

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Applications are due Friday. April 12th, So. We're expecting to hold interviews the week of April 15th and hopefully a final SG a appointment The week of the 22nd.

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Thanks Thank you and Mr Sprinkle Thank you our second College Park Tenants Union meeting is on March 26 1 Week From.

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Union meeting is on March 26 1 Week From. Now. It's at 7 P.m.

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Week From. Now. It's at 7 P.m. Check with us If. You're looking for the location and we will be out later this week.

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Additionally the, uh, ice cream day for the Student Government Association has been pushed back to next Wednesday march 27th.

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It will be an all day event on Lawyers Mall in Annapolis with the student government will, uh, explain their legislative priorities to the members of the General Thank you.

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As go to city Manager

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Thank you. As go to city Manager's report, Mr Yang.

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Uh, good evening, Uh, Mayor and Council and residence of college Park.

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Uh, just a couple of quick announcements this evening.

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Uh, one is in regard to no M.

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April, Uh, the City College Park and B City USA Committee encouraged residents to refrain from mowing their lawns during the month of April to support local pollinators participating in No.

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Uh, April, um, is a small and easy step we can take to help early season pollinators that are foraging for food sources and habitat.

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Um, there is no registration, uh, no longer is required to participate in this event if you have any questions, you can always contact our department of public works at 2404873590.

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We also would like to invite the public out to our fiscal year 2025 budget listening session which will be held, um this, uh on March 30th so two Saturdays from now at 11 A.m.

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in the city Hall Council Chambers.

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Uh, you can also watch this, uh via TV as well as zoom and if you have any questions, you can, uh, go to our website.

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questions, you can, uh, go to our website. That's all I have for this evening.

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Thank you, Mr Young.

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Any question for Mr Yang.

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Miss Mackay.

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Um we have some clean up times coming.

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Could you remind me of the in April Clean up, clean up spring clean ups.

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Um I have I have to pull that up and get that for you.

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Thank you any other questions, Miss Whitney?

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We received a letter um from a resident who is concerned about the new medians coming in on, um Route one up across from the tempo, um, and the the middle of the city, and, um, just concerns about, um, you know, jaywalking people.

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Um, you know, SI gotta get to the LA right now.

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SI gotta get to the LA right now. And I'm trying to cross Route one and I wonder if we could request extra enforcement.

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in place to ensure we don't have that issue. I'll.

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in place to ensure we don't have that issue. I'll. I'll work with, Um uh, Major Colletti on on that particular issue once they get those in, uh, I know there are particular concern was, uh uh regarding, uh, having to do gates similar to what

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Um I would definitely will take a look at that and make sure that we have a game plan in place for enforcement.

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Thank you. Any other questions. Saying none. Um, let's go to the acknowledgement I can see former District one council member, Mr Marks is in the house.

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Thank you, Mr Swar, Thanks for coming and joining.

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Let me see anyone online?

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I want to be in trouble?

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want to be in trouble? Um, I, don't see anyone.

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don't see anyone. All, right? Um, let's move to Uh, proclamation hour.

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We do not have any tonight and next.

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Or a business will be amendments to the agenda.

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I believe there are a couple of maybe two of them, right?

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I would like to, um, amend the agenda to, um add item 24 G 53 to consent.

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This is, um, approval of a letter substantially.

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approval of a letter substantially. It's attached requesting that HB 538 SB 484 be amended to exempt the Lakeland community designated historic districts and areas more than one half mile from transit facilities second Um, we need a foot on

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that all in favor.

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I opposed any abstentions.

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So, these item has been added more, Mr Rick.

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been added more, Mr Rick. Uh, yes, I'd like to remove item.

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24 G Dash 52 approval of minutes from the consent agenda to the regular agenda for correction.

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Thank you, Um Any, um, any second.

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correction. Thank you, Um Any, um, any second. There's no vote.

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um, any second. There's no vote. Yeah. We don't need a vote because it

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Alright, um, I now need a vote to approve the agenda as amended.

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I moved to approve the agenda as amended.

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Not by Hernandez seconded by council re all in favor, So, I, any opposed any abstention?

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The agenda has been approved.

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And now we go to the audience of anyone wants to speak on.

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Non agenda items or any, um, consent item.

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Yeah, please come forward.

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To the podium, please state your name And if you western of college Park Yeah start with the stating your name.

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Hi.

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My name is Pedro Morales.

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Uh, I have been a resident of college Park for the past three years.

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Uh, I go to book Lodge Middle School.

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I Am 13 years old and in eighth grade.

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My GPA is 3.8.

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I have no unexcused abscesses and have no disciplinary issues.

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I come before you to ask for your help.

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I applied to College Park Academy during the open application window and when and was recently Waitlisted.

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I do not know how to make my application more competitive, and I

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application more competitive, and I'm having a hard time trying to get accepted into a good high school.

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I do not know.

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My dream is to be a software engineer so I can help government systems.

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I want to go to College Park Academy because I believe C Park Academy.

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Will prepare me for the next level of education One day, I hope One Day.

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I hope to be attended to the University of Maryland.

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I think Kash Park Academy will prepare me to be successful there.

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Academy will prepare me to be successful there. I'm, the oldest of my siblings, and I want to be a role model for my six year old sister so she can follow in my footsteps.

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My parents came to this country to give me the best possible education and now I

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give me the best possible education and now I'm asking you.

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For help to achieve that here at home in college Park.

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I know there are people here who can help me.

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Please help.

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I came today because my parents read that you all will be discussing education.

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Please Tell me what I or my parents can do to help me achieve my dreams.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you so much for coming and thank you for everything you have done can be in touch with the this resident, the young resident and try to help Thank you.

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Theres, a stadium name, and if you

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Theres, a stadium name, and if you're a resident of college Park Good.

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Good Evening America be and Council member of college Park.

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My name is Martha Martinez.

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I Am, a resident of college park like my classmate.

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I also attend book L Middle school Prior to that I attended paint Branch Elementary school as I was promoted to Greenbelt middle School.

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However, now I will be attending high school.

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A new journey has also a new beginning to end.

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My mother has applied to a few programs that have come to her path.

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However the only feedback that I

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have come to her path. However the only feedback that I've received is that It was the night.

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No explanation on how I could improve to be in fit for the school next year.

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There is another school that I

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There is another school that I've applied to and have been wait.

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Listed in a school that I am registered to go to is park, though, however, my brother attends Park, and he says there is many bad influences I would like to attend a better high school such as the W for engineering or Northwestern for their

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art program.

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engineering or Northwestern for their art program. I've tried to ask Help.

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their art program. I've tried to ask Help. I've tried to ask my counselors and teachers for help.

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But however, they Never have time and always say to take responsibility in my own hands.

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That

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take responsibility in my own hands. That's why I am here and being a responsible scholar to ask for your help to clarify the process, So I and other scholars like me can pursue our goals and to better our education and to be prepared to step

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foot in our society as we receive our diploma on that graduation day, because we were given the opportunity to get a higher education.

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Thank you for your time and hope you can help me.

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My goals.

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Thank you?

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Thank you so much for coming.

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Um again, it staff if Mr Gardiner or someone if you could please in touch with the rest.

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Yeah, we

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in touch with the rest. Yeah, we're we

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in touch with the rest. Yeah, we're we're gathering their information now and we

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we're we're gathering their information now and we'll definitely reach out.

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Thank you so much.

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All right, um Anyone who wants to speak on consent or non agenda items.

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Anything that is not on the agenda.

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And I.

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You have three minutes.

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Can.

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You speak on anything?

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All right?

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Uh, I do not see any virtual hands.

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So.

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Let

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right? Uh, I do not see any virtual hands. So. Let's move to the approval of the consent agenda.

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We have We have seven items.

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Let me read them out, then I will entertain a motion.

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The.

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First one is the approval of the renewal of the contract with Streetcar.

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Streetcar Suburbs Inc for the four page College Park Post.

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Insert In the college part here and now newspaper for the period of March.

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Sorry April 1st to June 30th.

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April 1st 24th of June 30th 27 in an amount not to exceed $195,000 subject to the review and approval as to form by the city attorney.

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Next is 24 G 49 a word and renewal of insurance contracts with Cigna for health insurance.

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In the budgeted amounts of $1 million 666, 1,000,606, 106 and 675 606,006 $75 dental insurance In The budgeted amount of 65,800.

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$30 Chesapeake.

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Insurance for workers compensation in the budgeted amount of 207,707 $101.

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And local government insurance Trust for the property and liability insurance in the budget amount of $200,599.

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For.

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The.

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Total budgeted cost of FY 25 being 2 million $79,805 The.

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Third.

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One is 24 G 50 approval.

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To bypass the formal bid process procedures to approve 12 months contract with Volta Inc for the period of 5124 to 4 30 25 for IT infrastructure.

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Managed services in an amount not to exceed $344,250 subject to the city attorney

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not to exceed $344,250 subject to the city attorney's approval as outlined in the attached proposal and contract.

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Number four is 24 G 36 approval of a contract amendment with Haggerty Consulting Inc for an additional amount not to exceed $200,000 for the term 3 26 24 to 1231 26 for assistance with the administration and compliance requirements of the coronavirus

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Local fiscal recovery fund received under ARPA, subject to the approval of the city attorney and authorize the city manager to And An extra majority vote is required.

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And 24 G 51 authorized the mayor to sign a letter to support of the application that Laurel Cats Inc.

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Is submitting in partnership with Belleville Community Cats.

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We, Citizens for local animal welfare and outlaw K for funding.

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Under, the mainland Department of agriculture, Espe and neuter Program for fiscal year 2025.

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Number six is approve 24 G 46, which is approval of the mayoral appointments of our list.

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Perez and Franci Wesser to the vacant and blighted property tax community, And.

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Finally.

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We have number 7 24 G 53, which is the approval of letter substantially as attached, requesting that HB 538 SB 484 B amendment amended to exempt the Lakeland community designated historic districts and areas more than one half mile from transit.

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Facilities to adopt the consent agenda.

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Doctor ether seconded by, uh, Councilor Whitney all in favor.

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Say, I.

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I and the post in the abstention.

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So the consent agenda.

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I is.

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Approved.

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We do not have a public hearing and don

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We do not have a public hearing and don't have any action item we go.

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Oh, there is one actually IM which came from you

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actually IM which came from you're right.

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Thank you for correcting me?

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I always came from The agenda, which is 24 G 52.

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Who is going to take me.

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Please go ahead.

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Yeah.

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I can cover it there.

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There was a a remark attributed to me that was inaccurate.

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Um, specifically on page 47 of the packet from the march 5th minutes.

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It

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packet from the march 5th minutes. It's it, Uh, Noted that I shared concern about eligibility for the the student.

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Uh Housing Affordability pilot program and said that I have two ways of becoming eligible and one of those ways and then it attributed Pell grants.

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Uh, probably two thirds of the student residents of the city would qualify for that

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student residents of the city would qualify for that's.

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That

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would qualify for that's. That's not what I said.

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What, I said was, um the income eligibility.

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Probably two thirds of student residents would qualify for so, um, it was it was actually the opposite.

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So.

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You.

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I would propose that we strike Pell grants and would, uh, insert income eligibility.

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Thank you Thanks for inspiring that, Uh, it

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Thanks for inspiring that, Uh, it's Miss Whitney.

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Um as usual, the eagle eyed Miss Whitney.

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Really.

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I have an eye.

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Thank you miss.

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So?

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That

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Really. I have an eye. Thank you miss. So? That's that

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Really. I have an eye. Thank you miss. So? That's that's my motion.

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Thank you.

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That was misattributed to me.

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Make further commitments.

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Sorry F further, please go ahead.

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Your Microphone is not on I, just a tiny one in the march 12th meeting.

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It says that I, uh, invited folks to the celebration for the end of Ramadan.

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Uh, it

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celebration for the end of Ramadan. Uh, it's Ramadan and a little bit later.

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Uh, so it was just For the end of a fast, but it

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just For the end of a fast, but it's not the end of Ramadan.

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Oh, thank you.

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All right any any further comments on the No, so I would I would move that my remarks.

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Reflect what I just stated and that, uh, take one motion to go to the changes.

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Do.

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You want me to make a motion?

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Ok?

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Um so motion that the my remark on Page 47 of March of the march 5th minutes reflect, um, that the remark was about the income eligibility and instead of the Pell grant eligibility criteria and, uh, that the That.

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The minutes further reflected on March 12th.

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Mr.

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Hernandez was speaking about the the um ending of that day

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about the the um ending of that day's fast and not the end of Ramadan.

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Is that right, Mr Right?

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Thank you.

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They have a second.

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OK any further comment.

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Mr.

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Um I am required to go to the audience if anyone else to speak on the item, I don

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the audience if anyone else to speak on the item, I don't think anyone needs to.

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Um I don

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think anyone needs to. Um I don't say any virtual hands.

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Um, coming back any further comments from the council, saying none all in favor.

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Say, I, any opposed any abstention?

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So, the 24 G 52 is adopted.

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All right.

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Now.

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We go to the wax sessions.

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And.

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We have four work session item.

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The.

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First.

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One is the discussion with the PC PS.

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Representatives about the school transportation issues, Water quality issues.

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Bus locations is called Safety Guards and Dora Kennedy.

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French Martian Eco.

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I have some guest guess if you could please come forward and take seats at the front desk and the chair.

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Um, there are mics.

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Can.

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Can more chairs be Yeah, added.

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Thank you so much for coming and joining us.

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I know you so much for coming and joining us. I know you're all busy.

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Yeah.

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I will, uh, I probably start with, uh, if you could please start introducing yourself.

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Mhm.

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Um, is that is AM on.

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Uh, there we go, OK?

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All, Right.

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Good evening.

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Uh, thank you so much for this opportunity to join you this evening, Uh, Mayor Kabir and members of the council.

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Uh, my name is Sharaa Coleman.

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I have the privilege of serving as chief operating officer for the Prince George

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chief operating officer for the Prince George's County public school system.

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And.

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We have several members of our team here with us as well and we

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several members of our team here with us as well and we'll allow them to introduce themselves.

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Good evening.

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Uh, my name is Sean.

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Matlock.

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I

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themselves. Good evening. Uh, my name is Sean. Matlock. I'm the director of the Office of alternative infrastructure planning and development.

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Thank you.

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And if we could Good Evening I

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you. And if we could Good Evening I'm Sam ST Nelli, director of building Services for county schools.

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If he if he could repeat your name one more time, and I

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could repeat your name one more time, and I've got a request.

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I

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time, and I've got a request. I'm Sam Stefanelli, director of building services for Prince George County schools.

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Thank you so much So, two more guests and good evening.

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My na me is kba Baldwin.

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I

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and good evening. My na me is kba Baldwin. I'm, the director of transportation.

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Thank you so much.

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And finally.

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Good evening.

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I

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much. And finally. Good evening. I'm Alex Beller environmental program specialist for Prince George

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program specialist for Prince George's County public schools.

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Thank you?

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Um Does, The staff have any, um Introduction from the city side.

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Thank you mayor just very quickly.

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Um, as you all know, uh, we solicited questions in advance for you to, um provide to, uh, printer, Prince George

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um provide to, uh, printer, Prince George's County public school staff, and they

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Prince George's County public school staff, and they've received those questions.

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Uh, they

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received those questions. Uh, they're in your packet.

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I also have them up here on the screen.

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Um, some of the staff this evening here will be able to respond to the questions and for some of the questions they

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for some of the questions they'll need to, uh Contact our colleagues out of the departments to provide a more complete response.

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I think, um, Doctor Coleman is going to kind of kick it off.

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And Go from there.

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Thank you, Mr Coleman.

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So.

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Thank you so much, Uh, again.

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We received the questions in advance.

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So, we thank you for that, Um, opportunity to, um, research and and understand the questions that were being asked.

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We stand ready to respond to those questions.

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Um And.

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We stand ready to respond to those questions. Um And. We're ready to begin.

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Alright.

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Um Dr.

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Ester, Do I start?

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No.

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Certainly thank you for being here this evening.

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Um, uh, we in district two have the, um Privilege of having the first question regarding paint Branch Elementary school.

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So, Um, paint branch is located in the historic Lakeland community, and we have had the pleasure of working with members of that community along with, um Mr hinder shot who is the principal as well as members of the community Center to help

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address traffic issues that were there and I have to say they did an outstanding job with that, Um, so they were able to work together.

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To make that happen.

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However the issue that is on the agenda this evening has to do with dumpsters.

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So.

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There are residents who live on Pierce Avenue right across from these dumpsters, and, um there had been a request to, um, remove the dumpsters put them in the back of the building and what we were told is that that could not happen.

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Um, so because that cannot happen.

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Um, we asked for the area to be fenced off because if you have ever seen them the Dumpsters do Sit within the fenced area.

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Um, they

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within the fenced area. Um, they're actually sort of strewn in there.

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And if there

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they're actually sort of strewn in there. And if there's any debris or garbage that is left, it just sits and it isn

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debris or garbage that is left, it just sits and it isn't the most.

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It is the most unsightly thing.

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If.

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You

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most. It is the most unsightly thing. If. You're living across the street from Dumpsters in that way.

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Um, And.

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In fact we

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that way. Um, And. In fact we've made that argument that no one wants to live across from that so As of last summer.

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Uh, we had been talking with Mr Hendershot and, um, he indicated to us that he submitted a request for fencing.

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Uh, to be, uh, put up, but in in subsequent requests, um, he has not been able to share with us when that will happen, And, I think the concern for us and the members of the community is that it would be helpful to have a timeline.

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Understand what?

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This when this will happen, Uh, because just to say, you know, I don

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happen, Uh, because just to say, you know, I don't know.

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Just feels as though um there isn

469
00:27:54,924 --> 00:27:55,324
you know, I don't know. Just feels as though um there isn't much consideration given.

470
00:27:55,324 --> 00:27:55,558
I

471
00:27:55,558 --> 00:27:58,940
feels as though um there isn't much consideration given. I'm not saying that that is, you know what he is thinking, but that

472
00:27:58,594 --> 00:28:03,320
know what he is thinking, but that's what it feels like to the residents who live there and who must see this.

473
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:11,400
The other, um, part of the question also dealt with, uh, trash and debris that had been left over the winter break.

474
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:20,750
So, um after the ho well before the holidays, Uh, there was trash that was left that residents had to deal with as they had friends and family coming over and again, it was unsightly.

475
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:22,918
And a problem for the community.

476
00:28:22,918 --> 00:28:23,520
Thank you.

477
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,887
All right.

478
00:28:24,887 --> 00:28:27,890
Thank you so much for that context around the question.

479
00:28:27,223 --> 00:28:27,389
It

480
00:28:27,389 --> 00:28:32,428
for that context around the question. It's always helpful to hear it verbally, uh, because it gives a different sense of urgency around what

481
00:28:32,428 --> 00:28:32,628
because it gives a different sense of urgency around what's going on.

482
00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:32,862
I

483
00:28:32,862 --> 00:28:35,131
sense of urgency around what's going on. I'm gonna turn it over to director Stefanelli.

484
00:28:35,131 --> 00:28:35,431
I know he

485
00:28:35,431 --> 00:28:37,867
over to director Stefanelli. I know he's been working on this issue.

486
00:28:37,867 --> 00:28:40,469
Yes and I apologize for how long it

487
00:28:40,469 --> 00:28:41,470
issue. Yes and I apologize for how long it's taken.

488
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:44,306
Um, the issue is, uh, with paper was designed.

489
00:28:44,306 --> 00:28:45,400
We had one dumpster.

490
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,909
We only had a little bit of trash.

491
00:28:46,909 --> 00:28:48,210
Now we have that dumpster.

492
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:50,446
We have recycling dumpster and we

493
00:28:50,446 --> 00:28:54,517
dumpster. We have recycling dumpster and we're making plans for a, um For all her dumpsters and we

494
00:28:54,517 --> 00:28:56,118
for a, um For all her dumpsters and we're working on contracting out trash, so it

495
00:28:56,118 --> 00:29:01,390
and we're working on contracting out trash, so it's a little bit more complicated than just putting up a fence.

496
00:29:01,390 --> 00:29:06,950
Um, originally, we thought that what we were being asked was to close in the Dumpsters and lock them, but we don

497
00:29:06,829 --> 00:29:08,764
close in the Dumpsters and lock them, but we don't do that.

498
00:29:08,764 --> 00:29:18,207
Because of that reason over Christmas break is a lot of people use our dumpsters over Christmas break to put their Christmas trash and it over Thanksgiving and we found it.

499
00:29:18,207 --> 00:29:21,677
If we lock them, Then they just serve it on the ground next to the dumpster.

500
00:29:21,677 --> 00:29:21,944
So.

501
00:29:21,944 --> 00:29:22,912
We decided we weren

502
00:29:22,912 --> 00:29:23,546
the dumpster. So. We decided we weren't gonna We weren

503
00:29:23,546 --> 00:29:26,182
the dumpster. So. We decided we weren't gonna We weren't gonna, uh, lock in the gate.

504
00:29:26,182 --> 00:29:26,849
Uh Then.

505
00:29:26,849 --> 00:29:30,286
We talked about this fence, but I think where they

506
00:29:30,286 --> 00:29:30,953
We talked about this fence, but I think where they're sitting.

507
00:29:30,953 --> 00:29:31,530
We can

508
00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:33,389
I think where they're sitting. We can't accommodate everything within a fenced area, So.

509
00:29:33,389 --> 00:29:35,958
We can't accommodate everything within a fenced area, So. We're probably gonna have to adjust where they

510
00:29:35,958 --> 00:29:36,625
probably gonna have to adjust where they're sitting.

511
00:29:36,625 --> 00:29:38,930
We were supposed to meet.

512
00:29:38,427 --> 00:29:52,700
At the school last week and with with some members of the community to discuss what their issues were, and to get a resolution before we put any funds towards it, and that meeting was canceled as soon as we had that meeting, and we come up with

513
00:29:52,274 --> 00:29:52,741
a plan, we

514
00:29:52,741 --> 00:29:56,111
and we come up with a plan, we'll expedite that plan and get that taken care of for the residents.

515
00:29:56,111 --> 00:29:57,112
I understand what they

516
00:29:57,112 --> 00:29:57,546
residents. I understand what they're going through.

517
00:29:57,546 --> 00:29:57,646
We

518
00:29:57,646 --> 00:29:58,280
residents. I understand what they're going through. We're we

519
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,416
they're going through. We're we're working towards a solution.

520
00:30:00,416 --> 00:30:05,540
Uh, may I ask that myself and council member Whitney also be invited to attend if we can Are.

521
00:30:05,454 --> 00:30:11,560
You sure, meaning that you have with the community.

522
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:11,594
Yeah.

523
00:30:11,594 --> 00:30:11,627
It

524
00:30:11,627 --> 00:30:18,901
meaning that you have with the community. Yeah. It's step can give the contact Thank you take the second one.

525
00:30:18,901 --> 00:30:20,502
School bus stops and working hours.

526
00:30:20,502 --> 00:30:21,170
I think this one

527
00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:22,471
stops and working hours. I think this one's me.

528
00:30:22,471 --> 00:30:22,538
Okay.

529
00:30:22,538 --> 00:30:24,390
Miss Maggie, please, Um So.

530
00:30:24,373 --> 00:30:36,619
I was just wondering if you could explain to us what the, um safety standards are for the bus stops like choosing the places are of the bus stops like what are the criteria that are being used?

531
00:30:36,619 --> 00:30:37,219
And what?

532
00:30:37,219 --> 00:30:49,231
What measures are put in place to ensure that Children as Children are walking to bus stops that they have safe paths and as Children are waiting At the bus stop that It

533
00:30:49,231 --> 00:30:50,833
and as Children are waiting At the bus stop that It's had a safe location.

534
00:30:50,833 --> 00:30:52,234
Um You can read I.

535
00:30:52,234 --> 00:30:53,102
I don

536
00:30:53,102 --> 00:30:54,703
safe location. Um You can read I. I don't need to to to reiterate it.

537
00:30:54,703 --> 00:30:54,770
But.

538
00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:58,574
Um, just so like you said that it helps you to know.

539
00:30:58,574 --> 00:30:59,174
So.

540
00:30:59,174 --> 00:30:59,842
The.

541
00:30:59,842 --> 00:30:59,909
Big.

542
00:30:59,909 --> 00:31:14,323
Concern is that um not only, uh, do we want to make sure that our Children are safe walking to schools but also to their bus stops and making sure that their bus stops are safe and we wanna work collaboratively with you as a city to make sure

543
00:31:14,323 --> 00:31:14,456
that we

544
00:31:14,456 --> 00:31:23,132
you as a city to make sure that we're doing what we can do to, um ensure that our students are safe as they wait for the bus and Walk to school.

545
00:31:23,132 --> 00:31:23,465
Very good.

546
00:31:23,465 --> 00:31:24,833
Thank you so much for that.

547
00:31:24,833 --> 00:31:28,370
Um, I think the word that really jumps out is collaboration.

548
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:28,938
Uh, because that

549
00:31:28,938 --> 00:31:30,539
jumps out is collaboration. Uh, because that's what it takes, Uh, when we

550
00:31:30,539 --> 00:31:40,916
because that's what it takes, Uh, when we're talking about safe passage for our students to and from school, Uh, we work very hard as a school district between our Department of transportation, our Department of safety and security services

551
00:31:40,916 --> 00:31:43,850
and the police department, Uh, Prince George

552
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:48,724
and the police department, Uh, Prince George's County Police department to reinforce and provide safe passage for students for to and from school.

553
00:31:48,724 --> 00:31:51,794
Uh, we have a board of education.

554
00:31:51,794 --> 00:31:55,640
Sub-committee, uh, called our Oba committee.

555
00:31:55,197 --> 00:31:56,980
Business fiscal affairs.

556
00:31:56,980 --> 00:32:05,740
Uh, that is a sub-committee that meets monthly, uh, and the actually next meeting is tomorrow night, uh, from 5 to 7 P.m..

557
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:09,511
We have members of the Police department actually attending tomorrow

558
00:32:09,511 --> 00:32:11,947
Police department actually attending tomorrow's meeting and presenting on safe passage.

559
00:32:11,947 --> 00:32:17,520
Uh, because that is an area that they manage with input from us.

560
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:17,520
And.

561
00:32:17,353 --> 00:32:17,953
So.

562
00:32:17,953 --> 00:32:19,722
I say that to say, um it

563
00:32:19,722 --> 00:32:25,995
from us. And. So. I say that to say, um it's bigger than the school district when we think about safe passage of Children walking to and from school.

564
00:32:25,995 --> 00:32:26,610
Uh, it

565
00:32:26,362 --> 00:32:34,300
walking to and from school. Uh, it's important that we collaborate and partner with our, uh um uh, police department, uh, to ensure that we

566
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,972
department, uh, to ensure that we're providing those provisions and specifically when I

567
00:32:36,972 --> 00:32:45,714
provisions and specifically when I'm thinking about, um, placement of crossing guards as an example is something that is under the purview of the police department and not the school district.

568
00:32:45,714 --> 00:32:50,853
Uh, we certainly give input, uh into, um, where we believe they should be placed.

569
00:32:50,853 --> 00:32:51,820
Uh, but it

570
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:53,789
believe they should be placed. Uh, but it's a finite resource and we don

571
00:32:53,789 --> 00:32:57,359
Uh, but it's a finite resource and we don't Uh, ultimately make make the call of where they are.

572
00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:57,659
Uh uh.

573
00:32:57,659 --> 00:32:57,826
Placed, Uh, I

574
00:32:57,826 --> 00:32:59,661
they are. Uh uh. Placed, Uh, I'm gonna turn it over to director Baldwin because he

575
00:32:59,661 --> 00:33:13,909
I'm gonna turn it over to director Baldwin because he's going to talk a little bit more about, uh, bus stops and and some of the processes that are in place around selection of bus stops and and how we move through that work.

576
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:19,448
Thank you, um always a great question because I get that a lot when it comes to the safety.

577
00:33:19,448 --> 00:33:29,792
Uh, clearly, the safety standards for our routes, uh, to our bus stops include factors such as the clear visibility, um, minimizing traffic congestion.

578
00:33:29,792 --> 00:33:35,970
Um, but our bus stops are typically located in the safe, accessible area.

579
00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:35,970
Now.

580
00:33:35,164 --> 00:33:43,439
There are times where We have to go back out and reassess, uh, for unexpected outcomes or intended where there

581
00:33:43,439 --> 00:33:44,973
unexpected outcomes or intended where there's a new subdivision, or there

582
00:33:44,973 --> 00:33:48,877
where there's a new subdivision, or there's construction that may pop up that may deviate the bus route or bus locations.

583
00:33:48,877 --> 00:33:52,470
Um, and we do our best to stay on top of it.

584
00:33:52,470 --> 00:34:02,691
But, Um, as Dr Coleman mentioned, the collaboration is there we have, uh, information line that our citizens can use to share information that we may not always get.

585
00:34:02,691 --> 00:34:07,896
Um And once that information is received through my team we can investigate.

586
00:34:07,896 --> 00:34:11,266
And, then move to, um, a better resolution.

587
00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:24,713
Um then from base what has been presented, so we really try to work, um as a constant review about our bus stops, um, because there

588
00:34:24,713 --> 00:34:35,524
constant review about our bus stops, um, because there's always some unintended consequences that are occurring across the county, um, from from the north to the south that we are currently are constantly reviewing in that respect.

589
00:34:35,524 --> 00:34:35,791
Thank you.

590
00:34:35,791 --> 00:34:37,920
Mayor Mitchell has a follow up question.

591
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:37,920
Then.

592
00:34:37,126 --> 00:34:40,929
I can go back to you.

593
00:34:40,929 --> 00:34:41,230
No.

594
00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:46,768
Thank you, Mr Mayor and thank you to my colleague, Ms Mackie for, um, submitting on the question.

595
00:34:46,768 --> 00:34:47,703
So, Doctor Baldwin.

596
00:34:47,703 --> 00:34:56,278
Um, we recently had someone from transportation come out to our community specifically, um in college Park Woods is one way in and one way out.

597
00:34:56,278 --> 00:35:00,115
Um and and and, I Think also to extend my colleague

598
00:35:00,115 --> 00:35:00,716
Think also to extend my colleague's question.

599
00:35:00,716 --> 00:35:05,320
The concern is that I understand that you try to put placement where it

600
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:16,980
that you try to put placement where it's safe for the Children and for us to pick them up and let them um um be departed on but Stops that you

601
00:35:16,165 --> 00:35:26,708
departed on but Stops that you're selecting Do not Coincide with the traffic patterns newer, it presents more of a hindrance to the owners and their property.

602
00:35:26,708 --> 00:35:27,676
Um Because.

603
00:35:27,676 --> 00:35:31,480
The streets are narrow and some of the bus drivers are making three point turns.

604
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,160
And so It

605
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:48,197
making three point turns. And so It's a concern, so I know before we started I, I would appreciate it would be nice to see if you could come out before school starts to look at all the at the perspective stops and look at if it

606
00:35:48,197 --> 00:35:52,301
all the at the perspective stops and look at if it's possible to do one specific location, depending on the community.

607
00:35:52,301 --> 00:35:54,236
But specifically for us in our community.

608
00:35:54,236 --> 00:35:54,536
It

609
00:35:54,536 --> 00:35:58,240
community. But specifically for us in our community. It's been a very big problem.

610
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:58,840
Um, that

611
00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,441
us in our community. It's been a very big problem. Um, that's been ongoing.

612
00:35:59,441 --> 00:36:08,951
Um, residence cars have been Uh, Damaged damaged for a lack of a better word.

613
00:36:08,951 --> 00:36:09,651
Um And.

614
00:36:09,651 --> 00:36:09,685
So.

615
00:36:09,685 --> 00:36:14,790
It just it is a real big concern because the streets are very narrow, and it

616
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:19,962
streets are very narrow, and it's a very quaint community One way in one way out, So if we could These address that So that

617
00:36:19,962 --> 00:36:22,598
we could These address that So that's all I have to say.

618
00:36:22,598 --> 00:36:24,933
Not a problem at all.

619
00:36:24,933 --> 00:36:36,378
Um, I would just ask for some street identifications so I can share those with my team, and, um, we will be more than happy to come out and and look at this before the end of the school year.

620
00:36:36,378 --> 00:36:39,948
Um, I would be remiss if I would not say that, uh, we

621
00:36:39,948 --> 00:36:43,850
I would be remiss if I would not say that, uh, we've gone through a transportation audit.

622
00:36:43,850 --> 00:36:50,225
With, Um, Superintendent house coming on board That was one of the first priorities that he, um made mention is for transportation audit.

623
00:36:50,225 --> 00:36:50,459
Uh, we

624
00:36:50,459 --> 00:36:52,600
um made mention is for transportation audit. Uh, we've gone through that audit.

625
00:36:52,394 --> 00:36:59,534
We received our results, Uh, in the end of January, we presented some initial findings last month.

626
00:36:59,534 --> 00:37:01,737
Um, and Thursday.

627
00:37:01,737 --> 00:37:19,870
We will be presenting a action plan on how we are going to address that, Um the reason why we say that is because it involves change and a lot of that change is Bus stop consolidations and where we are looking to, um, optimize our routes.

628
00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:21,623
In that manner we want to be more efficient.

629
00:37:21,623 --> 00:37:33,335
We want to be more safe in terms of locating our buses into neighborhoods that are tight fit, Um, at the same time, providing a a safe stop.

630
00:37:33,335 --> 00:37:37,539
Uh, for our students and and again with safe passage.

631
00:37:37,539 --> 00:37:55,324
So within that audit, we will be We investigating or re reviewing all of our bus stops, um, with some defined criteria so that we will be able to be a little transparent about how and why we are creating stops where we are creating them.

632
00:37:55,324 --> 00:37:58,794
So that is something that is, um, on the list to do and we

633
00:37:58,794 --> 00:38:06,535
something that is, um, on the list to do and we're hoping that we will be able to provide much more insight as to how we again assign our bus stops.

634
00:38:06,535 --> 00:38:07,536
And no pro and I

635
00:38:07,536 --> 00:38:08,570
again assign our bus stops. And no pro and I'm sorry, Mr Mayor.

636
00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:20,816
Um Is it possible you can share that once you actually gave the briefing about your plan to share it with us as well, because I know many of our, um residents slash parents would look forward to looking at that.

637
00:38:20,816 --> 00:38:20,949
Overall.

638
00:38:20,949 --> 00:38:23,952
Thank you may I appreciate it.

639
00:38:23,952 --> 00:38:36,231
Absolutely we look forward to doing that, for our first obligation is gonna be to presenting to our board and and following that, we certainly uh uh, look forward to sharing the message far and wide and staff.

640
00:38:36,231 --> 00:38:36,264
I

641
00:38:36,264 --> 00:38:37,132
to sharing the message far and wide and staff. I'm sure you

642
00:38:37,132 --> 00:38:40,802
to sharing the message far and wide and staff. I'm sure you'll be giving the street locations and colours Parks neighborhood.

643
00:38:40,802 --> 00:38:40,836
Yeah.

644
00:38:40,836 --> 00:38:43,572
Thank you.

645
00:38:43,572 --> 00:38:43,872
It

646
00:38:43,872 --> 00:38:43,905
and colours Parks neighborhood. Yeah. Thank you. It's.

647
00:38:43,905 --> 00:38:44,206
It

648
00:38:44,206 --> 00:38:48,176
and colours Parks neighborhood. Yeah. Thank you. It's. It's probably in other neighborhoods as well.

649
00:38:48,176 --> 00:38:54,950
Could you share that phone number that citizens can use to report issues.

650
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:55,350
It

651
00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:58,860
phone number that citizens can use to report issues. It's actually a Web address.

652
00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:05,794
Um, makes it very simple if you want to do TRS dot P GCP s.org.

653
00:39:05,794 --> 00:39:10,298
It takes you to an online inquiry system.

654
00:39:10,298 --> 00:39:10,932
Where.

655
00:39:10,932 --> 00:39:13,235
You can log your, um your concern.

656
00:39:13,235 --> 00:39:21,510
Um, it will give you a ticket number for reference and we will be following up with you sometimes more likely by email.

657
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:22,377
But At times.

658
00:39:22,377 --> 00:39:28,350
It does result or, um, excuse me result in a phone call as well.

659
00:39:28,350 --> 00:39:29,751
Thank you follow up question.

660
00:39:29,751 --> 00:39:30,952
Follow up.

661
00:39:30,952 --> 00:39:30,986
Question.

662
00:39:30,986 --> 00:39:31,953
Um, can you share?

663
00:39:31,953 --> 00:39:35,791
Um how long it will take for someone to hear back once.

664
00:39:35,791 --> 00:39:40,495
They, uh, reach out to this system.

665
00:39:40,495 --> 00:39:43,398
Typically within the 48 hours.

666
00:39:43,398 --> 00:39:55,310
We like to give a response to say that we have received your concern and if it goes past those 48 hours, we like to reach out to let you know that we received it and we

667
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:56,211
reach out to let you know that we received it and we're still investigating.

668
00:39:56,211 --> 00:39:56,244
So.

669
00:39:56,244 --> 00:40:00,682
Um, we should get that either by an email or a phone call.

670
00:40:00,682 --> 00:40:00,782
Mhm.

671
00:40:00,782 --> 00:40:00,882
Thank you.

672
00:40:00,882 --> 00:40:02,284
Thank you.

673
00:40:02,284 --> 00:40:04,850
Miss Manky.

674
00:40:04,753 --> 00:40:05,860
So I.

675
00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:05,860
I.

676
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,956
Thank you that that we will get your report after you

677
00:40:07,956 --> 00:40:08,560
that we will get your report after you've you

678
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,558
that we will get your report after you've you've given it to your board.

679
00:40:09,558 --> 00:40:10,358
I think that you

680
00:40:10,358 --> 00:40:10,559
after you've you've given it to your board. I think that you've you

681
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:14,362
your board. I think that you've you've answered a lot of our questions.

682
00:40:14,362 --> 00:40:17,899
Um And that, um, we can get to you like some of the concerns.

683
00:40:17,899 --> 00:40:26,308
I just encourage my colleagues to also be looking around in and get that information to city staff about about that.

684
00:40:26,308 --> 00:40:26,374
And.

685
00:40:26,374 --> 00:40:35,830
Um, I just wanted to make sure that, um, the issue of flashing lights and crossing guards are police issues and not OK, just wanted to make sure I was clear on that.

686
00:40:35,383 --> 00:40:38,353
Thank you so much.

687
00:40:38,353 --> 00:40:39,688
Thank you question is mine, too.

688
00:40:39,688 --> 00:40:41,890
So do you want me to go ahead?

689
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:43,158
Please Go ahead.

690
00:40:43,158 --> 00:40:43,825
So Happily.

691
00:40:43,825 --> 00:41:00,342
I was I have heard that Cherokee Lane now does have a school but we had a a concerned citizen in our district whose father was a POWN and, um World War two and he was a receiver of Purples.

692
00:41:00,342 --> 00:41:01,900
From her heart.

693
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:02,577
I think something else So.

694
00:41:02,577 --> 00:41:12,870
He was even He even got a Citation from President Obama so and she was very concerned that when she drove up to the school, there was no flag.

695
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:14,756
Um, hanging, you know?

696
00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:16,925
Unopposed and then in the classrooms.

697
00:41:16,925 --> 00:41:23,732
There were no plugs, so she did an investigation and found that there are many schools in PG County that don

698
00:41:23,732 --> 00:41:25,660
found that there are many schools in PG County that don't have a flags.

699
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:28,203
Um, so I was wondering how you would be able to address that.

700
00:41:28,203 --> 00:41:37,612
I wanna thank you for whoever, Um, uh, took care of getting the flag at Cherokee Lane, but, uh, she I spoke to her today and, she says, As of today there were.

701
00:41:37,612 --> 00:41:39,781
There are no flags in the classrooms.

702
00:41:39,781 --> 00:41:41,583
So if that could be addressed.

703
00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:41,883
And.

704
00:41:41,883 --> 00:41:45,860
I and I know that Turkey Lane is a new, beautiful school and I.

705
00:41:45,153 --> 00:41:54,950
I know that sometimes when we have new things, you know things get overlooked, but I was wondering what the process was going to be so I can assure her that there will be flags in the classrooms and at schools.

706
00:41:54,763 --> 00:41:57,232
Thank you.

707
00:41:57,232 --> 00:42:01,736
Sure thank you so much, so typically, uh, the purchase of flags is not something that

708
00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:04,339
purchase of flags is not something that's covered under our capital budget.

709
00:42:04,339 --> 00:42:09,511
Uh which is what we utilize the funding source that was utilized to build the new Cherokee Lane.

710
00:42:09,511 --> 00:42:22,757
Uh, we have a, uh, an a process called student based budgeting, uh, where each school receives an allocation of funding to provide the instructional resources.

711
00:42:22,757 --> 00:42:22,891
Staffing, uh, that

712
00:42:22,891 --> 00:42:25,627
provide the instructional resources. Staffing, uh, that's needed to adequately implement the instructional program.

713
00:42:25,627 --> 00:42:28,830
Uh, so that I would consider that a material.

714
00:42:28,830 --> 00:42:33,340
Supply that typically the principal of that particular institution would then purchase.

715
00:42:33,101 --> 00:42:34,369
Uh, whatever they would need.

716
00:42:34,369 --> 00:42:37,272
Uh, so what we can do, is it It isn

717
00:42:37,272 --> 00:42:44,450
they would need. Uh, so what we can do, is it It isn't my division, but I can certainly take the message back the broader message back OK, um, Director Stephano.

718
00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:47,480
You Wanna provide an update?

719
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:47,480
Yes.

720
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:47,949
So.

721
00:42:47,949 --> 00:42:49,217
My staff met with the principal.

722
00:42:49,217 --> 00:43:02,364
We provided the flag for out front the flags for the classroom and and what happened was we moved Cherokee Lane into the new building and put a dolphin in their old building, so the flags stayed at the old building so and the principal didn

723
00:43:02,364 --> 00:43:04,366
building so and the principal didn't realize he had to order a new flag.

724
00:43:04,366 --> 00:43:05,660
So it was oversight and I

725
00:43:05,533 --> 00:43:10,238
a new flag. So it was oversight and I'm glad that the pair of Bo to our potential because flags are one of my pet peeves.

726
00:43:10,238 --> 00:43:10,271
So.

727
00:43:10,271 --> 00:43:14,976
Um the flags have been ordered for the classroom and the flags out front are now flying.

728
00:43:14,976 --> 00:43:18,747
And, we we We apologize, but we Appreciate you bringing it to our attention.

729
00:43:18,747 --> 00:43:20,348
Thank you?

730
00:43:20,348 --> 00:43:21,750
I was like a misunderstanding.

731
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:24,819
Uh, can you scroll down a little bit?

732
00:43:24,819 --> 00:43:26,870
Lead pipes and safe water in school.

733
00:43:26,755 --> 00:43:28,923
Who

734
00:43:28,923 --> 00:43:29,891
little bit? Lead pipes and safe water in school. Who's going to take it.

735
00:43:29,891 --> 00:43:33,361
Mr Hu, please.

736
00:43:33,361 --> 00:43:34,929
Um, thank you.

737
00:43:34,929 --> 00:43:35,563
So.

738
00:43:35,563 --> 00:43:35,897
Why hasn

739
00:43:35,897 --> 00:43:40,101
take it. Mr Hu, please. Um, thank you. So. Why hasn't the lead pipes issue at the, uh, print ridges?

740
00:43:40,101 --> 00:43:43,705
Schools been addressed, especially Hollywood elementary school.

741
00:43:43,705 --> 00:43:47,275
Given that these older schools are there.

742
00:43:47,275 --> 00:43:50,512
Concerns for, uh, lead in or other calamine.

743
00:43:50,512 --> 00:43:56,651
Um, what are the plans for active maintenance to avoid having the entirety?

744
00:43:56,651 --> 00:44:04,192
Uh, shut down our water system shut down in the future, such as what has happened at Hollywood Elementary School.

745
00:44:04,192 --> 00:44:04,359
Thank you It

746
00:44:04,359 --> 00:44:06,940
Elementary School. Thank you It's going to take it?

747
00:44:06,428 --> 00:44:07,620
Thank you for that?

748
00:44:07,395 --> 00:44:07,429
So?

749
00:44:07,429 --> 00:44:07,729
That

750
00:44:07,729 --> 00:44:08,363
It's going to take it? Thank you for that? So? That's just That

751
00:44:08,363 --> 00:44:09,664
you for that? So? That's just That's a complex question.

752
00:44:09,664 --> 00:44:10,598
We certainly do appreciate it.

753
00:44:10,598 --> 00:44:15,360
I think we are gonna need to have kind of multiple responses.

754
00:44:15,103 --> 00:44:15,770
Uh, one that

755
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:20,275
kind of multiple responses. Uh, one that's gonna talk about the state of our infrastructure.

756
00:44:20,275 --> 00:44:27,749
Another that talks about, um, kind of how we mitigate and provide quality drinking water for our staff and students.

757
00:44:27,749 --> 00:44:28,830
Uh, when we don

758
00:44:28,583 --> 00:44:29,584
for our staff and students. Uh, when we don't, uh, when we don

759
00:44:29,584 --> 00:44:32,987
when we don't, uh, when we don't have confidence that the piping can provide it, Uh so why don

760
00:44:32,987 --> 00:44:40,610
piping can provide it, Uh so why don't we start with, um, Director Matlock, uh, to talk about, um Our infrastructure management piece.

761
00:44:40,610 --> 00:44:44,866
So what we try to do so most of our buildings are over 50 years old.

762
00:44:44,866 --> 00:44:45,200
Now.

763
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,690
Most of them, uh, have lead pipe in the buildings.

764
00:44:48,136 --> 00:44:48,670
Um, what we

765
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:50,380
lead pipe in the buildings. Um, what we're trying to do is we

766
00:44:50,171 --> 00:44:51,390
what we're trying to do is we're the first thing we

767
00:44:51,339 --> 00:44:51,973
what we're trying to do is we're the first thing we're doing is we

768
00:44:51,973 --> 00:44:52,941
we're the first thing we're doing is we're in our new schools.

769
00:44:52,941 --> 00:44:54,509
Of course they

770
00:44:54,509 --> 00:44:55,543
doing is we're in our new schools. Of course they're gonna be piping.

771
00:44:55,543 --> 00:44:56,377
Uh, if we

772
00:44:56,377 --> 00:45:03,418
schools. Of course they're gonna be piping. Uh, if we're having a major replacement school, and then they get new piping and if we do stage renovations, uh then they get new piping.

773
00:45:03,418 --> 00:45:04,850
But the reason why we don

774
00:45:04,686 --> 00:45:05,987
new piping. But the reason why we don't do it.

775
00:45:05,987 --> 00:45:06,287
All.

776
00:45:06,287 --> 00:45:20,401
The schools is that once you start that work It triggers a number of things in the building code requirements, and then we have to make a major upgrades to the building that have nothing to do with piping or water or anything else, and it

777
00:45:20,401 --> 00:45:20,869
do with piping or water or anything else, and it's just it

778
00:45:20,869 --> 00:45:26,875
anything else, and it's just it's too expensive to do it and in in one throw and then in a lot of cases, the work is so extensive.

779
00:45:26,875 --> 00:45:27,208
You

780
00:45:27,208 --> 00:45:35,650
lot of cases, the work is so extensive. You'd have to swing that is move the school to another location in order to do all that work in a in a reasonable amount of time, and and that

781
00:45:35,650 --> 00:45:37,485
reasonable amount of time, and and that's difficult to do as well since we don

782
00:45:37,485 --> 00:45:40,880
and that's difficult to do as well since we don't really have very much swing space left.

783
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:40,880
So and and what?

784
00:45:40,522 --> 00:45:40,755
We

785
00:45:40,755 --> 00:45:41,723
very much swing space left. So and and what? We're What we

786
00:45:41,723 --> 00:45:42,690
very much swing space left. So and and what? We're What we're doing is again It

787
00:45:42,690 --> 00:45:44,626
and and what? We're What we're doing is again It's replacement schools are getting them.

788
00:45:44,626 --> 00:45:46,270
New schools are getting them and they

789
00:45:46,227 --> 00:45:51,650
schools are getting them and they're major renovations when we go in and do a major renovation, then we upgrade the piping.

790
00:45:51,633 --> 00:45:51,699
Otherwise.

791
00:45:51,699 --> 00:45:59,874
Um, we just do the environmental mitigations which, uh, Mr Baylor can talk about.

792
00:45:59,874 --> 00:46:08,483
So Is there no possibilities of installing filtration.

793
00:46:08,483 --> 00:46:11,352
Uh, yes, there There is possibility of, uh, doing filtration.

794
00:46:11,352 --> 00:46:12,287
But, we We really don

795
00:46:12,287 --> 00:46:18,459
uh, doing filtration. But, we We really don't wanna go that route because it is a super expensive endeavor.

796
00:46:18,459 --> 00:46:33,241
Um, if anyone here has a filter within their, uh, refrigerator, you know how much that cost And if you think about how many fountains we have throughout the system, it would be in it would be a financial burden to attempt to.

797
00:46:33,241 --> 00:46:38,446
Um Other schools have systems have attempted and the financial burden is Great.

798
00:46:38,446 --> 00:46:38,446
So.

799
00:46:38,446 --> 00:46:38,746
We

800
00:46:38,746 --> 00:46:45,787
the financial burden is Great. So. We're trying, you know not to go to that extent of filtering everything.

801
00:46:45,787 --> 00:46:49,958
Um I Wanna start with, um All of our schools.

802
00:46:49,958 --> 00:46:53,528
Water systems were shut down because of Covid.

803
00:46:53,528 --> 00:46:53,862
They weren

804
00:46:53,862 --> 00:46:55,496
shut down because of Covid. They weren't shut down because of lead or anything else.

805
00:46:55,496 --> 00:46:57,980
They were shut down because of Covid.

806
00:46:57,832 --> 00:47:09,100
And as we came back, we started to turn things on and because of the Komar regulation, we were in our three year cycle to begin to test again.

807
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:09,310
And.

808
00:47:09,310 --> 00:47:17,352
So once we started doing that we found some issues and some problems and we turned anything that was above the state of Maryland action level.

809
00:47:17,352 --> 00:47:19,821
We turned it off.

810
00:47:19,821 --> 00:47:20,121
Until.

811
00:47:20,121 --> 00:47:24,292
We could repair the bubbler or replace the bubbler, and then we

812
00:47:24,292 --> 00:47:31,399
repair the bubbler or replace the bubbler, and then we're going to resample so and everyone has bottled water until that happens until we

813
00:47:31,399 --> 00:47:35,403
everyone has bottled water until that happens until we're ensured that we have enough.

814
00:47:35,403 --> 00:47:43,144
Potable drinking water fountains within our schools for our for our Children, so no school will go without at least bottled water.

815
00:47:43,144 --> 00:47:43,411
Now.

816
00:47:43,411 --> 00:47:56,900
We have put at least one filtered battlefield, one water station and every single one of our schools, so we we usually put it either at the front door area or multi-purpose room or high traffic areas.

817
00:47:56,357 --> 00:48:02,960
If we have, like a high school of auditorium or gym is usually where we stick those battlefield.

818
00:48:02,397 --> 00:48:03,898
Uh, filtered water stations.

819
00:48:03,898 --> 00:48:05,166
We have a phase three where we

820
00:48:05,166 --> 00:48:13,207
stations. We have a phase three where we're going to do some additional, but we do not want to go the route of filtering, uh, entire buildings it it

821
00:48:13,207 --> 00:48:15,843
to go the route of filtering, uh, entire buildings it it's just super duper, uh, endeavor.

822
00:48:15,843 --> 00:48:16,100
Filtering.

823
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,947
The whole building may not be necessary.

824
00:48:18,947 --> 00:48:19,547
It

825
00:48:19,547 --> 00:48:23,510
Filtering. The whole building may not be necessary. It's water fountains and the cafeteria kitchen.

826
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:23,840
Yeah, We

827
00:48:23,284 --> 00:48:27,210
water fountains and the cafeteria kitchen. Yeah, We're not talking the whole building because you know, toilets and sinks.

828
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:27,880
Don

829
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,490
because you know, toilets and sinks. Don't need No.

830
00:48:29,490 --> 00:48:32,260
We would we wouldn

831
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:39,867
sinks. Don't need No. We would we wouldn't only drinkable fountains would is what would even be thought of, uh to filter we went out with filter sinks or toilets or anything like that.

832
00:48:39,867 --> 00:48:40,100
It

833
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:41,469
sinks or toilets or anything like that. It's just a It

834
00:48:41,469 --> 00:48:41,569
sinks or toilets or anything like that. It's just a It's.

835
00:48:41,569 --> 00:48:41,736
It

836
00:48:41,736 --> 00:48:47,575
like that. It's just a It's. It's a lot when you start talking about the school system our size.

837
00:48:47,575 --> 00:48:51,946
There are a lot of plastic water bottles being used.

838
00:48:51,946 --> 00:48:54,282
Yes it is and it

839
00:48:54,282 --> 00:48:59,387
plastic water bottles being used. Yes it is and it's creating litters and in environmental disaster.

840
00:48:59,387 --> 00:48:59,721
So I.

841
00:48:59,721 --> 00:49:00,355
I don

842
00:49:00,355 --> 00:49:02,924
environmental disaster. So I. I don't understand why other counties can address this.

843
00:49:02,924 --> 00:49:04,826
And not our county.

844
00:49:04,826 --> 00:49:05,159
No.

845
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:06,160
We are addressing it.

846
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:06,227
We We

847
00:49:06,227 --> 00:49:07,729
not our county. No. We are addressing it. We We're definitely addressing it and we

848
00:49:07,729 --> 00:49:20,800
definitely addressing it and we're moving actually away from the bottles to the five gallon, uh, drinking water stations within the schools away from the singular bottles until we get everything.

849
00:49:20,541 --> 00:49:25,480
Do you know when Hollywood will be getting those five gallon water system.

850
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,949
Um not right here in front of me, but we can say what

851
00:49:27,949 --> 00:49:31,352
Um not right here in front of me, but we can say what's in the next week or two?

852
00:49:31,352 --> 00:49:41,229
OK this I, I think I believe this, uh, this system is Going on for I even before Covid.

853
00:49:41,229 --> 00:49:46,670
I mean for a while, and From a maintenance standpoint.

854
00:49:46,134 --> 00:49:48,302
Um, you know, this is something that you and I didn

855
00:49:48,302 --> 00:49:50,271
is something that you and I didn't cause this was done.

856
00:49:50,271 --> 00:50:02,450
30 years 40 years ago, Um The issue and we have now is we went in and we put one drinking fountain in every school And when we did that, we opened up the walls, but the pipes are so old, that it

857
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:05,530
the walls, but the pipes are so old, that it's tough to find a good piece of pipe to reconnect to.

858
00:50:05,253 --> 00:50:05,920
Once.

859
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:17,565
We start doing that plumbing and you end up having to go to 300 ft to before you can find a find a piece of pipe that you can reconnect the new so it becomes very expensive.

860
00:50:17,565 --> 00:50:17,598
Sometimes.

861
00:50:17,598 --> 00:50:18,533
It

862
00:50:18,533 --> 00:50:20,802
so it becomes very expensive. Sometimes. It's $1500 to put that sink in.

863
00:50:20,802 --> 00:50:20,835
Sometimes.

864
00:50:20,835 --> 00:50:21,135
It

865
00:50:21,135 --> 00:50:26,374
Sometimes. It's $1500 to put that sink in. Sometimes. It's $8000 it really On the the structure of the the Agent facility.

866
00:50:26,374 --> 00:50:26,641
There

867
00:50:26,641 --> 00:50:30,144
structure of the the Agent facility. There's a lot of, um things that go into this, but we are spending.

868
00:50:30,144 --> 00:50:33,810
I believe our budget is $200,000 a year and we

869
00:50:33,481 --> 00:50:35,316
budget is $200,000 a year and we're chipping away of it.

870
00:50:35,316 --> 00:50:35,616
But.

871
00:50:35,616 --> 00:50:40,321
In the meantime, what Mr Baylor is responsible for is making sure the kids are safe.

872
00:50:40,321 --> 00:50:40,588
And.

873
00:50:40,588 --> 00:50:44,792
I understand about the drinking the the bottled water and and the plastic bottles.

874
00:50:44,792 --> 00:50:50,565
I would like to get rid of them, but our responsibility to make sure the kids are safe first.

875
00:50:50,565 --> 00:51:02,710
And once we do that, then we, uh then we will do what we can to reduce the, uh, the use of those bottles, But, we have a recycling program a very vigorous recycling program to recycle those bottles.

876
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:08,683
Every, one of our schools has a has a single stream recycling and we are and and we

877
00:51:08,683 --> 00:51:10,318
single stream recycling and we are and and we're moving to composting.

878
00:51:10,318 --> 00:51:10,318
We?

879
00:51:10,318 --> 00:51:10,585
We

880
00:51:10,585 --> 00:51:12,553
are and and we're moving to composting. We? We're doing a lot for the environment.

881
00:51:12,553 --> 00:51:13,154
But.

882
00:51:13,154 --> 00:51:15,890
In the meantime, we cannot stop using the bottled water.

883
00:51:15,756 --> 00:51:22,163
The, I we have to make sure the kids are safe first, and I apologize for the amount of water we use.

884
00:51:22,163 --> 00:51:22,196
But.

885
00:51:22,196 --> 00:51:22,497
That

886
00:51:22,497 --> 00:51:24,665
for the amount of water we use. But. That's just the the nature of of where we are.

887
00:51:24,665 --> 00:51:28,302
We have to make sure the kids are safe until we can get through.

888
00:51:28,302 --> 00:51:28,603
And.

889
00:51:28,603 --> 00:51:28,636
Like.

890
00:51:28,636 --> 00:51:34,442
I said I with a budget of $200,000 a year is gonna take a long time to fix this problem.

891
00:51:34,442 --> 00:51:36,244
It really is.

892
00:51:36,244 --> 00:51:37,712
Any follow up questions on what?

893
00:51:37,712 --> 00:51:39,313
Let OK?

894
00:51:39,313 --> 00:51:39,680
All, right.

895
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:39,947
Who

896
00:51:39,947 --> 00:51:44,452
questions on what? Let OK? All, right. Who's going to take these fifth question.

897
00:51:44,452 --> 00:51:44,652
Parent teacher.

898
00:51:44,652 --> 00:51:48,489
OK, my name.

899
00:51:48,489 --> 00:51:49,524
Um Yeah.

900
00:51:49,524 --> 00:51:49,524
So.

901
00:51:49,524 --> 00:51:49,590
I

902
00:51:49,590 --> 00:52:00,434
teacher. OK, my name. Um Yeah. So. I'm wondering what does the school system do to facilitate the formation of, uh PTAS and PT OS at various schools that don

903
00:52:00,434 --> 00:52:02,360
PT OS at various schools that don't have them?

904
00:52:02,103 --> 00:52:02,537
Um, for instance.

905
00:52:02,537 --> 00:52:06,574
Um how and we also would like to know how the city could best support.

906
00:52:06,574 --> 00:52:08,976
Um, the efforts at Parkdale High School, Um there

907
00:52:08,976 --> 00:52:09,760
efforts at Parkdale High School, Um there's a group that

908
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:21,880
efforts at Parkdale High School, Um there's a group that's trying to form a PT, A at Parkdale High school, Um, to advocate for the the students and teachers there, um residents informed of Committee to bring that to pass.

909
00:52:21,789 --> 00:52:26,694
Um and supporting PT OS is a key goal of the Mar and council so that that

910
00:52:26,694 --> 00:52:26,961
of the Mar and council so that that's my first question.

911
00:52:26,961 --> 00:52:27,161
I

912
00:52:27,161 --> 00:52:30,598
of the Mar and council so that that's my first question. I'll have a follow up after you answer that.

913
00:52:30,598 --> 00:52:30,932
Oh.

914
00:52:30,932 --> 00:52:31,232
Yes.

915
00:52:31,232 --> 00:52:32,533
Please, Please Go ahead.

916
00:52:32,533 --> 00:52:32,867
Yeah.

917
00:52:32,867 --> 00:52:46,981
I believe it was either tonight or last night was the the foundational meeting for Northwestern high schools, PTO, Um and they They, uh, really struggled for a number of years to to foster the type of parent parent and teacher engagement to

918
00:52:46,981 --> 00:52:49,283
even even run a APTO.

919
00:52:49,283 --> 00:52:59,260
So you know, as Miss Whitney pointed out with this this council has been very interested in trying to to foster the development and, uh, and foundation of those Okay?

920
00:52:59,260 --> 00:52:59,293
So we

921
00:52:59,293 --> 00:53:01,963
and, uh, and foundation of those Okay? So we're gonna have to take this question back.

922
00:53:01,963 --> 00:53:02,630
Um, right now.

923
00:53:02,263 --> 00:53:06,467
You have before you the division of operations.

924
00:53:06,467 --> 00:53:07,340
Uh, we don

925
00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:18,246
the division of operations. Uh, we don't manage, uh, the parent teacher, student organizations or that side of the house, Uh, that would be under doctor Sheila Jackson and, um, the community engagement director, Uh, in that department.

926
00:53:18,246 --> 00:53:18,913
Uh so we

927
00:53:18,913 --> 00:53:22,149
Uh, in that department. Uh so we'll take those questions back and and certainly they

928
00:53:22,149 --> 00:53:26,954
we'll take those questions back and and certainly they'll provide a response to, uh, your question as well as the follow up.

929
00:53:26,954 --> 00:53:30,524
Thank you.

930
00:53:30,524 --> 00:53:32,760
Yeah just, um just to put a fighter point on it.

931
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:33,940
We.

932
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:35,630
We have heard reports that park Dale

933
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:40,340
it. We. We have heard reports that park Dale's principal is not receptive to the creation of a PT, a So.

934
00:53:40,101 --> 00:53:53,214
Um, another question we would have is, um Uh, maybe if P GCP S might encourage principals to permit a PT a and further to further foster parent teacher engagement in the school.

935
00:53:53,214 --> 00:53:59,487
I do have to say, um I wanna say about five years ago?

936
00:53:59,487 --> 00:54:02,890
I was actually her supervisor.

937
00:54:02,123 --> 00:54:02,490
Uh, Doctor.

938
00:54:02,490 --> 00:54:02,757
Graves Henderson.

939
00:54:02,757 --> 00:54:03,240
Um, that

940
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,727
Doctor. Graves Henderson. Um, that's not the person that I know.

941
00:54:06,727 --> 00:54:17,400
Um, she fosters engagement with families with parents with students, Uh and is a veteran principal who is is, uh, have very highly regarded.

942
00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:19,573
Um so I would I don

943
00:54:19,573 --> 00:54:25,413
is, uh, have very highly regarded. Um so I would I don't feel uncomfortable saying that she invites parent community, uh into her building.

944
00:54:25,413 --> 00:54:28,349
Um, to collaborate around how best to meet the needs of students.

945
00:54:28,349 --> 00:54:35,256
Um, we just have to make sure that that connection is made, but that connection is made, but that's that connection is made, but that's that's, uh, that connection is made, but that's that's, uh, that's not accurate.

946
00:54:35,256 --> 00:54:37,325
OK, thank you.

947
00:54:37,325 --> 00:54:41,620
Right and follow up questions on PTOPTIS.

948
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:41,629
None.

949
00:54:41,629 --> 00:54:43,230
Can, I Just add.

950
00:54:43,230 --> 00:54:43,898
Oh.

951
00:54:43,898 --> 00:54:48,350
Yeah, Uh, I recognizing that all all parents are are are busy.

952
00:54:48,350 --> 00:54:48,690
Uh In.

953
00:54:48,102 --> 00:55:03,384
In addition, if we could just have, uh, tag along the, uh, the efforts the targeted efforts being taken to help those Spanish speaking families, uh, who already have challenges?

954
00:55:03,384 --> 00:55:11,425
Uh, threatening themselves into the community, Uh, wondering what sort of efforts are being taken to engage them in PT, OS, and just so everyone knows we

955
00:55:11,425 --> 00:55:11,492
engage them in PT, OS, and just so everyone knows we're we

956
00:55:11,492 --> 00:55:15,863
engage them in PT, OS, and just so everyone knows we're we're big fans of PT OS, PTAS.

957
00:55:15,863 --> 00:55:20,701
We, uh, awarded grants recently to several PTOPTAS, uh from the city directly.

958
00:55:20,701 --> 00:55:22,837
So, uh, just trying to be helpful.

959
00:55:22,837 --> 00:55:27,700
I would ask if if we could receive those follow up questions in writing, Uh and we

960
00:55:27,341 --> 00:55:31,812
those follow up questions in writing, Uh and we'll be certain to provide responses back staff will be Definitely helpful.

961
00:55:31,812 --> 00:55:32,413
All right?

962
00:55:32,413 --> 00:55:38,219
Who is going to take number six.

963
00:55:38,219 --> 00:55:40,654
Undocumented.

964
00:55:40,654 --> 00:55:41,622
Certainly.

965
00:55:41,622 --> 00:55:51,310
Is there a point person or department at P GCP S to help onboard Children who are new arrivals to the country without documentation?

966
00:55:51,310 --> 00:55:53,868
Um, it it happens throughout the year, and we

967
00:55:53,868 --> 00:55:54,535
happens throughout the year, and we've had some parents who

968
00:55:54,535 --> 00:56:06,800
and we've had some parents who've been Very active spending a lot of time and resources, um, trying to get, uh, Children, you know, vaccinated, um and getting them registered.

969
00:56:06,647 --> 00:56:07,248
There

970
00:56:07,248 --> 00:56:15,990
vaccinated, um and getting them registered. There's been a lot of challenges with proving residency so that they can get, um, enrolled in their local school.

971
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:16,230
So.

972
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:20,940
Um, what are the best steps to streamline that?

973
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:21,610
Thank you for that question?

974
00:56:21,462 --> 00:56:22,696
Um, again.

975
00:56:22,696 --> 00:56:24,999
That is not an operations.

976
00:56:24,999 --> 00:56:25,900
Uh, level question.

977
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:26,567
However.

978
00:56:26,567 --> 00:56:31,710
I do have, uh, written responses that were provided to me, uh, from the office that manages that, And I

979
00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:33,707
me, uh, from the office that manages that, And I'd like to just read it aloud.

980
00:56:33,707 --> 00:56:34,740
Uh, if that

981
00:56:34,308 --> 00:56:35,900
just read it aloud. Uh, if that's OK.

982
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:48,522
Thank you, Uh yes, the office in the county that does that is the international student admissions and enrollment office, or ISA EO, Patricia.

983
00:56:48,522 --> 00:56:55,896
She and Coe CHIANCONE is the ISA EO specialist, So I believe that

984
00:56:55,896 --> 00:57:01,402
is the ISA EO specialist, So I believe that's the representative that you are, uh, seeking.

985
00:57:01,402 --> 00:57:09,143
ISA EO has assisted the families of almost 6000 students coming from outside the country to register in the Prince George

986
00:57:09,143 --> 00:57:18,652
the country to register in the Prince George's county public school system this year and has a process in place to enroll families with many kinds of documentation.

987
00:57:18,652 --> 00:57:34,340
The ISA EO office has bilingual staff and works with families with in person appointments or through the online registration system, depending upon their needs.

988
00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:34,368
OK?

989
00:57:34,368 --> 00:57:40,140
Thank you and is there any discussion of I know at the beginning of the school year?

990
00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:41,809
There are, um, vaccination clinics?

991
00:57:41,809 --> 00:57:55,890
Um, is there any possibility of having, um, vaccination clinics like that happen more frequently, maybe once a month and move kind of around the, um county So the answer to that is yes.

992
00:57:55,456 --> 00:58:00,227
Um, I know that the note I have here is for the 2023 24 School year.

993
00:58:00,227 --> 00:58:01,262
That is this year?

994
00:58:01,262 --> 00:58:06,367
Uh, the Office of school health has held clinics in.

995
00:58:06,367 --> 00:58:16,677
Uh uh, one week in August 2 weeks in September and three days a week in October, November and December So it is done on a rolling basis.

996
00:58:16,677 --> 00:58:16,877
Excellent.

997
00:58:16,877 --> 00:58:29,850
Thank you very much, and where would people find that information was the best like one They reach out to the office of school Health, the director is Dr Tracy Jones.

998
00:58:29,723 --> 00:58:29,857
Thank you.

999
00:58:29,857 --> 00:58:29,890
You

1000
00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:32,260
Dr Tracy Jones. Thank you. You're welcome.

1001
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:34,628
Any follow up questions number six.

1002
00:58:34,628 --> 00:58:43,470
Probably not, uh, can I scroll down number seven Internet safety and computer years.

1003
00:58:43,470 --> 00:58:50,244
That probably came from a Pattern and she thought that question to me.

1004
00:58:50,244 --> 00:58:51,211
So what you

1005
00:58:51,211 --> 00:58:57,510
and she thought that question to me. So what you're saying, uh, her voice come from school and What.

1006
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:57,840
She

1007
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:57,840
uh, her voice come from school and What. She's learning.

1008
00:58:57,651 --> 00:59:02,990
The students are not taught about Internet safety that they can browse anything they want.

1009
00:59:02,990 --> 00:59:09,960
And with all the Different concerns about the, uh, Internet Internet safety, especially for the miners.

1010
00:59:09,897 --> 00:59:12,166
She is very concerned.

1011
00:59:12,166 --> 00:59:13,100
Um, I don

1012
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:17,400
the miners. She is very concerned. Um, I don't know if you have anyone on the panel.

1013
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,207
To talk about it, so no, we do not, uh, that

1014
00:59:20,207 --> 00:59:21,842
To talk about it, so no, we do not, uh, that's the division of information technology.

1015
00:59:21,842 --> 00:59:21,976
They don

1016
00:59:21,976 --> 00:59:24,780
information technology. They don't happen to be here this evening.

1017
00:59:24,445 --> 00:59:29,783
Uh, but certainly we can take that question back as well and prepare a written response.

1018
00:59:29,783 --> 00:59:29,850
Absolutely.

1019
00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:32,283
Thank you.

1020
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:36,190
Um, can you please scroll down?

1021
00:59:36,190 --> 00:59:37,825
Number eight maintenance and quality of school.

1022
00:59:37,825 --> 00:59:44,832
I think the remaining ones are, uh Thanks, gentlemen for coming up here, uh, and and meeting with us.

1023
00:59:44,832 --> 00:59:46,330
It

1024
00:59:46,330 --> 00:59:47,668
uh, and and meeting with us. It's We want We?

1025
00:59:47,668 --> 00:59:49,300
Wanna try to build be good partners, But.

1026
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:49,603
I

1027
00:59:49,603 --> 00:59:55,420
build be good partners, But. I'm Just gonna go down a list of questions that, uh, have just come for the mind.

1028
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:55,376
Uh, I

1029
00:59:55,376 --> 00:59:57,344
just come for the mind. Uh, I'll start off with the first one.

1030
00:59:57,344 --> 00:59:57,578
What

1031
00:59:57,578 --> 01:00:05,850
I'll start off with the first one. What's the process for schools, parents or the city to request and submit, uh, maintenance facility Request or updates.

1032
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:09,556
Uh, I know you touched on it for a moment there, sir.

1033
01:00:09,556 --> 01:00:11,250
Uh, when?

1034
01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:21,350
When answering the Parkland questions by many of the schools are experiencing, uh, a Uh, lack of signage on the properties.

1035
01:00:21,350 --> 01:00:21,350
There

1036
01:00:21,168 --> 01:00:31,679
uh, a Uh, lack of signage on the properties. There's standing water, pilings of trash and surrounding areas and Often that falls on the PT A or PTO or some of the school grounds were always trying.

1037
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:31,879
We

1038
01:00:31,879 --> 01:00:38,850
grounds were always trying. We're always willing to help whether through community service projects or whatever, but, uh, we wanna we wanna be able to to work with you.

1039
01:00:38,385 --> 01:00:38,485
So.

1040
01:00:38,485 --> 01:00:38,552
How?

1041
01:00:38,552 --> 01:00:38,585
How.

1042
01:00:38,585 --> 01:00:44,658
Can we do that?

1043
01:00:44,658 --> 01:00:48,262
Our Communications about management schools comes through the principles.

1044
01:00:48,262 --> 01:00:52,660
Uh, we have three area supervisors, one of the north one in the south.

1045
01:00:52,166 --> 01:00:55,350
One Southern in in one of the Middle County.

1046
01:00:55,350 --> 01:00:58,205
Um, I would suggest the Paris talk directly to the principals.

1047
01:00:58,205 --> 01:01:02,810
The principal can put them in touch with the coordinator for that area, and they will.

1048
01:01:02,810 --> 01:01:06,947
They will take care of these issues for him because when you

1049
01:01:06,947 --> 01:01:10,184
take care of these issues for him because when you're talking about like signage, some of the signage is done by the county.

1050
01:01:10,184 --> 01:01:12,860
Some is done by us, so it it

1051
01:01:12,186 --> 01:01:12,319
signage is done by the county. Some is done by us, so it it's a It

1052
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:16,290
Some is done by us, so it it's a It's a Effort between all of us to solve a lot of these problems.

1053
01:01:16,290 --> 01:01:19,493
And that just kind of brings up a follow up question.

1054
01:01:19,493 --> 01:01:28,435
I think the principles are quite tax like quite taxed with a lot of different responsibilities is do they have the ability to delegate that responsibility?

1055
01:01:28,435 --> 01:01:30,700
Well When I say, talk to the principal.

1056
01:01:30,204 --> 01:01:30,437
Typically, it

1057
01:01:30,437 --> 01:01:34,740
I say, talk to the principal. Typically, it's gonna be somebody in the in the main office, somebody in the administrative office.

1058
01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:45,452
They all have the, uh, the our contact information and their coordinators in their facility on a regular basis, so they will funnel that information to us, so make sure it gets to the right person.

1059
01:01:45,452 --> 01:01:45,786
Um, that that

1060
01:01:45,786 --> 01:01:47,988
us, so make sure it gets to the right person. Um, that that's the best way to handle it.

1061
01:01:47,988 --> 01:01:48,222
That.

1062
01:01:48,222 --> 01:01:48,255
Sometimes.

1063
01:01:48,255 --> 01:01:49,223
They

1064
01:01:49,223 --> 01:01:50,891
the best way to handle it. That. Sometimes. They'll Just email me directly.

1065
01:01:50,891 --> 01:01:54,940
Um, but we have to make sure it gets to the right person in the right area or else we

1066
01:01:54,762 --> 01:02:04,371
person in the right area or else we'll have what we had to pay Branch where it takes us three months to talk about offense, so I wanna get it, uh, focused to the right person?

1067
01:02:04,371 --> 01:02:04,438
Yeah.

1068
01:02:04,438 --> 01:02:15,983
Council members and and just as a follow up to that, you know, I had the privilege of being a principal in our district for 14 years and three of our schools and I would want to be a part of those discussions.

1069
01:02:15,983 --> 01:02:18,552
Uh, as busy as it is, I, do definitely agree with you.

1070
01:02:18,552 --> 01:02:18,619
It

1071
01:02:18,619 --> 01:02:18,886
is, I, do definitely agree with you. It's a.

1072
01:02:18,886 --> 01:02:19,520
It

1073
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:19,820
is, I, do definitely agree with you. It's a. It's A.

1074
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:20,454
It

1075
01:02:20,454 --> 01:02:21,880
is, I, do definitely agree with you. It's a. It's A. It's a very taxing position.

1076
01:02:21,488 --> 01:02:23,423
Uh, but I would wanna know.

1077
01:02:23,423 --> 01:02:26,260
Uh what the conversation is with my parent community.

1078
01:02:26,260 --> 01:02:27,270
Uh, because what I wouldn

1079
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:32,599
community. Uh, because what I wouldn't want to have happen is their advocating for changes on the facility.

1080
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:32,666
And I

1081
01:02:32,666 --> 01:02:34,101
their advocating for changes on the facility. And I'm not aware of it and I

1082
01:02:34,101 --> 01:02:37,571
the facility. And I'm not aware of it and I'm not necessarily in agreement, or I would prioritize it differently.

1083
01:02:37,571 --> 01:02:38,539
And so it it

1084
01:02:38,539 --> 01:02:40,140
prioritize it differently. And so it it's just important that there

1085
01:02:40,140 --> 01:02:43,760
so it it's just important that there's that first level of collaboration at the school site.

1086
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:58,225
So, then we can, uh, advocate together to the system for changes in a prioritized order, and just one quick second, uh and just to make sure that I fully understand there is no vice principal or assistant principal, or is there when I say principle?

1087
01:02:58,225 --> 01:02:58,525
I

1088
01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:02,529
assistant principal, or is there when I say principle? I'm talking about the administration, So yes, there is a principle but typically unless it

1089
01:03:02,529 --> 01:03:16,777
is a principle but typically unless it's a small Elementary school, where they might only be a principal and then, uh, teaching staff most of our other schools have at least one assistant principal supporting the principal.

1090
01:03:16,777 --> 01:03:19,546
On that topic.

1091
01:03:19,546 --> 01:03:29,556
Um Understanding that, um, some of our parents and others may not be, um, readily available to connect with the principal or connect with the administration.

1092
01:03:29,556 --> 01:03:30,824
I wonder if there

1093
01:03:30,824 --> 01:03:34,761
administration. I wonder if there's some type of system reporting system.

1094
01:03:34,761 --> 01:03:41,501
Um, where, uh, they can go online make a call to share something to begin that process.

1095
01:03:41,501 --> 01:03:47,740
So I understand the the importance of of talking and building collaboration.

1096
01:03:47,441 --> 01:03:53,800
But reporting is probably the biggest Thing for many, and, um, I would suspect that many of them will become frustrated if there

1097
01:03:53,747 --> 01:03:57,818
that many of them will become frustrated if there's no way to do that, Besides picking up a phone and calling a principal that they can

1098
01:03:57,818 --> 01:03:59,386
phone and calling a principal that they can't reach because they

1099
01:03:59,386 --> 01:03:59,853
that they can't reach because they're working.

1100
01:03:59,853 --> 01:04:04,892
Sure sure it really does depend on like you said that person

1101
01:04:04,892 --> 01:04:09,496
really does depend on like you said that person's um kind of, uh, What they desire is and how they want to connect.

1102
01:04:09,496 --> 01:04:10,130
I think that

1103
01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:15,680
they want to connect. I think that's also a great commercial for the importance of a PT A.

1104
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:23,430
Uh, because we utilize our I had regular meetings with my PT a on a monthly basis, and we discussed the instructional aspects of the building.

1105
01:04:23,377 --> 01:04:29,182
But we also discussed the facilities management components of the building and everything else around it.

1106
01:04:29,182 --> 01:04:31,985
Uh And so it might be advocacy through that body.

1107
01:04:31,985 --> 01:04:33,530
It might be an email if I can

1108
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:33,954
be advocacy through that body. It might be an email if I can't make a phone call.

1109
01:04:33,954 --> 01:04:35,222
It might be a phone call.

1110
01:04:35,222 --> 01:04:38,225
It might be a stop past the school.

1111
01:04:38,225 --> 01:04:39,493
Uh uh, it I mean there.

1112
01:04:39,493 --> 01:04:43,430
There are many ways to kind of have your voice heard?

1113
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:50,470
Um, but I appreciate it when it came through my PT A because that was a structured opportunity that I knew we could meet and best.

1114
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:55,108
Still, there were opportunities for follow up.

1115
01:04:55,108 --> 01:04:55,742
If if I if I

1116
01:04:55,742 --> 01:04:57,744
there were opportunities for follow up. If if I if I'm in trouble, Just the next question.

1117
01:04:57,744 --> 01:05:00,914
Uh, I think the rest of the questions I sent in.

1118
01:05:00,914 --> 01:05:16,530
Um but please Anybody, who wants to jump in And can I also just add in regards to, um this great to hear about the idea about the possible formation of a PT A or PTO in some schools, but, uh, as a former educator, sometimes it

1119
01:05:16,530 --> 01:05:27,708
as a former educator, sometimes it's just the personality of the principal feeling that they are making sure they are making the, uh the family feel welcome to make the suggestion if that

1120
01:05:27,708 --> 01:05:33,280
to make the suggestion if that's not part of their, um, persona, then they will always be a disconnect.

1121
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:33,647
And.

1122
01:05:33,647 --> 01:05:34,548
So, I.

1123
01:05:34,548 --> 01:05:38,850
Think sometimes, uh, people As, though they had the position But don

1124
01:05:38,352 --> 01:05:41,880
though they had the position But don't understand You still about working with family, So I.

1125
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:41,880
Just.

1126
01:05:41,121 --> 01:05:44,910
Wanna add that too?

1127
01:05:44,157 --> 01:05:44,758
Turn on this.

1128
01:05:44,758 --> 01:05:45,920
It

1129
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:46,760
Just. Wanna add that too? Turn on this. It's a taxing role right like it

1130
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,295
on this. It's a taxing role right like it's obviously super hard.

1131
01:05:48,295 --> 01:05:50,300
I mean so you you you haven

1132
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:53,433
hard. I mean so you you you haven't been a principal in your past lives like, uh, I

1133
01:05:53,433 --> 01:05:54,234
haven't been a principal in your past lives like, uh, I'm sure you fully understand.

1134
01:05:54,234 --> 01:05:54,267
We

1135
01:05:54,267 --> 01:05:59,940
sure you fully understand. We're just trying to find a better way to bridge some of those disconnects that we continue to hear.

1136
01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:00,540
And I know we

1137
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:05,512
continue to hear. And I know we're not gonna do that tonight or overnight, So just really appreciate your patience.

1138
01:06:05,512 --> 01:06:06,790
Hearing our concerns out.

1139
01:06:06,790 --> 01:06:08,615
Uh, I think we talked a lot about the maintenance?

1140
01:06:08,615 --> 01:06:09,490
Uh, in previous questions, So I

1141
01:06:09,383 --> 01:06:11,840
maintenance? Uh, in previous questions, So I'm just gonna kind of just take a step back.

1142
01:06:11,585 --> 01:06:15,122
Uh, and approach this a little more strategically.

1143
01:06:15,122 --> 01:06:15,689
Does.

1144
01:06:15,689 --> 01:06:22,896
The current budget process allow for for Effective planning for some of those major renovations and I.

1145
01:06:22,896 --> 01:06:27,340
I asked that because you said 200,000 is your guys' budget.

1146
01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:27,367
Uh, I

1147
01:06:27,367 --> 01:06:28,680
said 200,000 is your guys' budget. Uh, I'm Not good with numbers, but I

1148
01:06:28,335 --> 01:06:28,668
budget. Uh, I'm Not good with numbers, but I'm pretty sure it

1149
01:06:28,668 --> 01:06:30,670
numbers, but I'm pretty sure it's not a lot of money.

1150
01:06:30,670 --> 01:06:37,344
Uh, so to to do those Excuse me $200,000 is our budget for the lead remediation for lead remediation lead remediation.

1151
01:06:37,344 --> 01:06:37,611
I

1152
01:06:37,611 --> 01:06:38,812
remediation lead remediation. I'm concerned about Hollywood Hollywood

1153
01:06:38,812 --> 01:06:38,979
I'm concerned about Hollywood Hollywood's in our school.

1154
01:06:38,979 --> 01:06:39,146
It

1155
01:06:39,146 --> 01:06:42,416
I'm concerned about Hollywood Hollywood's in our school. It's part of a bigger plan.

1156
01:06:42,416 --> 01:06:45,152
Uh, how, uh, how you learned elementary.

1157
01:06:45,152 --> 01:06:45,218
Obviously, we

1158
01:06:45,218 --> 01:06:45,318
uh, how you learned elementary. Obviously, we've We

1159
01:06:45,318 --> 01:06:46,319
uh, how you learned elementary. Obviously, we've We've all we

1160
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:47,870
Obviously, we've We've all we've all shared our concerns.

1161
01:06:47,187 --> 01:06:47,254
Uh, it

1162
01:06:47,254 --> 01:06:47,320
we've all shared our concerns. Uh, it's it

1163
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,925
we've all shared our concerns. Uh, it's it's been Uh, I.

1164
01:06:51,925 --> 01:06:52,259
Guess.

1165
01:06:52,259 --> 01:06:52,325
Just.

1166
01:06:52,325 --> 01:06:56,630
Constant review Uh, do you need more money?

1167
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:57,640
Is it a timing situation.

1168
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,666
I would love to try to fix this problem, whether if it

1169
01:06:59,666 --> 01:07:00,901
to try to fix this problem, whether if it's not me, it

1170
01:07:00,901 --> 01:07:02,803
to try to fix this problem, whether if it's not me, it's the next council.

1171
01:07:02,803 --> 01:07:06,730
But, like, help us understand what you all need to to make that happen.

1172
01:07:06,106 --> 01:07:10,844
Do you need us to advocate to someone.

1173
01:07:10,844 --> 01:07:11,178
So.

1174
01:07:11,178 --> 01:07:11,445
When.

1175
01:07:11,445 --> 01:07:12,145
I took over.

1176
01:07:12,145 --> 01:07:12,145
I.

1177
01:07:12,145 --> 01:07:12,212
I

1178
01:07:12,212 --> 01:07:16,516
someone. So. When. I took over. I. I'm no longer director of capital programs, but I was for about six years.

1179
01:07:16,516 --> 01:07:18,685
I just recently transitioned.

1180
01:07:18,685 --> 01:07:22,289
And when I took the job.

1181
01:07:22,289 --> 01:07:23,857
Um I was told that we did a study.

1182
01:07:23,857 --> 01:07:27,270
We did multiple studies.

1183
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:32,199
We did three separate, um, facilities evaluations that were done by outside groups.

1184
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:38,400
Not internally uh, and the the what they concluded, was in order to modernize our portfolio of schools.

1185
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,750
We need to spend roughly about $8.5 billion over 20 years.

1186
01:07:42,476 --> 01:07:42,509
So.

1187
01:07:42,509 --> 01:07:42,876
I said.

1188
01:07:42,876 --> 01:07:43,910
Oh, great because I was first.

1189
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:45,278
That was the first thing I saw.

1190
01:07:45,278 --> 01:07:48,982
I saw him getting $425 million a year.

1191
01:07:48,982 --> 01:07:49,820
Uh, No, You

1192
01:07:49,316 --> 01:07:49,983
him getting $425 million a year. Uh, No, You're not so I said.

1193
01:07:49,983 --> 01:07:50,584
Well.

1194
01:07:50,584 --> 01:08:04,970
How much do I got and they said, Well you you get about somewhere between 100 and 20, 100 and 60, then about 40% of that goes to just stabilization maintenance stabilization that we do projects to just keep things going.

1195
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:05,732
You know it

1196
01:08:05,732 --> 01:08:07,968
projects to just keep things going. You know it's 200 schools and and and I can

1197
01:08:07,968 --> 01:08:08,969
going. You know it's 200 schools and and and I can't stress that more.

1198
01:08:08,969 --> 01:08:09,603
It

1199
01:08:09,603 --> 01:08:11,338
schools and and and I can't stress that more. It's 200 schools, so one of the things that we

1200
01:08:11,338 --> 01:08:14,574
schools, so one of the things that we're trying to do, as you can see through our modernization plan.

1201
01:08:14,574 --> 01:08:19,450
If, you look at our educational facilities Master plan, which is online.

1202
01:08:19,450 --> 01:08:20,580
Uh, first thing we

1203
01:08:20,580 --> 01:08:23,150
is online. Uh, first thing we're trying to do is in places where it

1204
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:25,118
we're trying to do is in places where it's possible where it makes sense.

1205
01:08:25,118 --> 01:08:25,719
We

1206
01:08:25,719 --> 01:08:29,956
where it's possible where it makes sense. We're trying to consolidate schools so that we reduce the number of school buildings that we have to do.

1207
01:08:29,956 --> 01:08:31,525
Um, that we have to maintain.

1208
01:08:31,525 --> 01:08:31,791
So.

1209
01:08:31,791 --> 01:08:41,668
The idea is to make the the inventory a little smaller, build some bigger schools but make the inventory itself smaller, so we can advocate do more in in that regard.

1210
01:08:41,668 --> 01:08:45,710
The other thing you have to understand is It used to be.

1211
01:08:45,710 --> 01:08:49,576
We used to do these little projects and do a little bit here you do a little bit there.

1212
01:08:49,576 --> 01:08:50,544
So.

1213
01:08:50,544 --> 01:08:56,816
You do a piping system into an old HV AC system, and it ruins the HV AC system.

1214
01:08:56,816 --> 01:09:05,125
Or you try to use a new system with the old piping in it crumbles and then you have to go back in and do that, so we stopped doing that.

1215
01:09:05,125 --> 01:09:10,330
What we now do is more what I would call, um, holistic projects.

1216
01:09:10,330 --> 01:09:16,360
Um which, if we do an HV AC system, we swing the school.

1217
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:17,404
Um, we do the windows.

1218
01:09:17,404 --> 01:09:19,239
We do the roof.

1219
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:20,207
We do the piping.

1220
01:09:20,207 --> 01:09:27,470
We do the HV AC system put new boiler in with new flooring, new lighting and whatever else we need to do that

1221
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:27,581
whatever else we need to do that's required that

1222
01:09:27,581 --> 01:09:29,849
whatever else we need to do that's required that's needed to deal while the walls are open.

1223
01:09:29,849 --> 01:09:33,530
Plus we do AD a upgrades and we do a a fire alarm.

1224
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:34,540
You can imagine.

1225
01:09:34,540 --> 01:09:34,540
That

1226
01:09:34,421 --> 01:09:36,560
and we do a a fire alarm. You can imagine. That's not an inexpensive process.

1227
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:36,560
But.

1228
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:36,560
It

1229
01:09:36,356 --> 01:09:44,640
can imagine. That's not an inexpensive process. But. It's the only way to really address a building when you have those kind of problems, so between doing small projects, which Sam

1230
01:09:44,197 --> 01:09:53,106
doing small projects, which Sam's team handles and some of my people handle, um, to keep the buildings going, Um, that is replacing, uh, systems in kind where it

1231
01:09:53,106 --> 01:09:53,440
is replacing, uh, systems in kind where it's possible.

1232
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:56,900
Um and doing those sorts of things.

1233
01:09:56,109 --> 01:09:56,209
Uh, we

1234
01:09:56,209 --> 01:10:10,790
and doing those sorts of things. Uh, we're also trying to to, you know, renovate or replace and when we do, renovate or replace it like it requires a, um A swing, uh, moving the students around and we only have about four or five buildings that

1235
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:13,260
we can do that with and that

1236
01:10:13,260 --> 01:10:14,361
buildings that we can do that with and that's throughout the entire county.

1237
01:10:14,361 --> 01:10:15,295
And, so that

1238
01:10:15,295 --> 01:10:16,963
with and that's throughout the entire county. And, so that's not easy to do.

1239
01:10:16,963 --> 01:10:17,530
Um, And.

1240
01:10:17,530 --> 01:10:17,631
So.

1241
01:10:17,631 --> 01:10:17,664
We

1242
01:10:17,664 --> 01:10:18,498
not easy to do. Um, And. So. We're we

1243
01:10:18,498 --> 01:10:24,704
not easy to do. Um, And. So. We're we're constantly trying to make, uh, moves to make that impossible in cases like do Kennedy, which was in the question That

1244
01:10:24,704 --> 01:10:30,143
Kennedy, which was in the question That's not going to be a temporary move when we moved in, that will be a permanent move.

1245
01:10:30,143 --> 01:10:30,510
Um we

1246
01:10:30,510 --> 01:10:37,830
in, that will be a permanent move. Um we'll then use their space as a swing space temporarily, and then we will Do something else with the building.

1247
01:10:37,751 --> 01:10:37,751
But.

1248
01:10:37,751 --> 01:10:38,510
It

1249
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:40,887
Do something else with the building. But. It's too expensive to maintain that building in its current condition.

1250
01:10:40,887 --> 01:10:41,554
There

1251
01:10:41,554 --> 01:10:50,530
building in its current condition. There's just some of the equipment is so old in there that you actually have to send out and have it machined parts machined in order to keep the the in order to replace parked.

1252
01:10:50,530 --> 01:10:50,597
You can

1253
01:10:50,597 --> 01:10:53,660
the the in order to replace parked. You can't buy them so Those are the types of things we

1254
01:10:53,366 --> 01:10:55,350
Those are the types of things we're trying to make sure that we

1255
01:10:55,302 --> 01:10:55,602
we're trying to make sure that we're we

1256
01:10:55,602 --> 01:10:59,806
we're trying to make sure that we're we're focusing our money on things that can be fixed and when they can

1257
01:10:59,806 --> 01:11:00,106
on things that can be fixed and when they can't, then we

1258
01:11:00,106 --> 01:11:00,240
on things that can be fixed and when they can't, then we're we

1259
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:04,778
when they can't, then we're we're shifting away from them and trying to consolidate in other locations.

1260
01:11:04,778 --> 01:11:05,145
Thank you?

1261
01:11:05,145 --> 01:11:09,716
Um Can, You take a follow up question from Mayor Putem.

1262
01:11:09,716 --> 01:11:19,492
Thank you, Mr Mayor and this court and this is not a statement to put you under the bus or I Got you whatever you in school bus, not school, but I

1263
01:11:19,492 --> 01:11:23,960
in school bus, not school, but I'm not trying, But I hear that 82% of the county

1264
01:11:23,263 --> 01:11:25,498
I'm not trying, But I hear that 82% of the county's budget.

1265
01:11:25,498 --> 01:11:26,660
I could be wrong.

1266
01:11:26,132 --> 01:11:26,199
It

1267
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:29,969
82% of the county's budget. I could be wrong. It's dedicated to The schools.

1268
01:11:29,969 --> 01:11:32,806
Board of Education funding.

1269
01:11:32,806 --> 01:11:35,675
So going to my colleague

1270
01:11:35,675 --> 01:11:36,760
Education funding. So going to my colleague's question, Councilor Hernandez.

1271
01:11:36,176 --> 01:11:36,242
It

1272
01:11:36,242 --> 01:11:37,444
my colleague's question, Councilor Hernandez. It's frustratin.

1273
01:11:37,444 --> 01:11:37,477
As.

1274
01:11:37,477 --> 01:11:40,246
We sit here on a dais.

1275
01:11:40,246 --> 01:11:40,547
And.

1276
01:11:40,547 --> 01:11:48,888
We have parents with their Children in their schools that are old schools with old pipes and 82% of the budget.

1277
01:11:48,888 --> 01:11:49,489
And yet we

1278
01:11:49,489 --> 01:11:52,892
with old pipes and 82% of the budget. And yet we're still at the same junction where we are right now.

1279
01:11:52,892 --> 01:11:53,226
So I

1280
01:11:53,226 --> 01:11:53,226
the same junction where we are right now. So I'm.

1281
01:11:53,226 --> 01:11:53,293
I

1282
01:11:53,293 --> 01:11:58,298
the same junction where we are right now. So I'm. I'm saying this in a way that again talk about collaboration.

1283
01:11:58,298 --> 01:11:58,631
People.

1284
01:11:58,631 --> 01:12:03,503
Forget about the local like the officials that we can help support the voice of messaging.

1285
01:12:03,503 --> 01:12:04,170
So.

1286
01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:04,504
How.

1287
01:12:04,504 --> 01:12:09,909
Do, We support you to articulate The messaging because That

1288
01:12:09,909 --> 01:12:09,943
articulate The messaging because That's.

1289
01:12:09,943 --> 01:12:10,243
It

1290
01:12:10,243 --> 01:12:10,877
articulate The messaging because That's. It's important It

1291
01:12:10,877 --> 01:12:14,800
because That's. It's important It's important to understand that all the budgets are different.

1292
01:12:14,714 --> 01:12:24,724
So Capital budget is a slice of the overall budget, right, the B and so our As I said before our budget is roughly about it, Maybe.

1293
01:12:24,724 --> 01:12:24,958
We

1294
01:12:24,958 --> 01:12:27,627
said before our budget is roughly about it, Maybe. We're like 1% or something like that.

1295
01:12:27,627 --> 01:12:28,895
The total budget and we

1296
01:12:28,895 --> 01:12:29,229
like 1% or something like that. The total budget and we're funded differently.

1297
01:12:29,229 --> 01:12:29,295
We don

1298
01:12:29,295 --> 01:12:32,980
The total budget and we're funded differently. We don't come out of the operating budget at all.

1299
01:12:32,980 --> 01:12:34,670
So the money of the vast majority of the money you

1300
01:12:34,367 --> 01:12:37,370
the vast majority of the money you're talking about is actually in the classrooms.

1301
01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:37,404
We

1302
01:12:37,404 --> 01:12:39,606
actually in the classrooms. We're talking teachers materials, e.

1303
01:12:39,606 --> 01:12:43,209
Chromebooks for 1 to 1 tutoring.

1304
01:12:43,209 --> 01:12:49,983
Uh, the international office all the other round surrounding services, Mental health services all those things.

1305
01:12:49,983 --> 01:12:50,183
That

1306
01:12:50,183 --> 01:12:54,287
services all those things. That's What that funds when they go out and sell bonds.

1307
01:12:54,287 --> 01:12:56,489
For capital programs for the county.

1308
01:12:56,489 --> 01:12:56,790
That

1309
01:12:56,790 --> 01:13:04,364
capital programs for the county. That's where we are, and that requires them to actually go into debt with a bond sale that then has to be used over time.

1310
01:13:04,364 --> 01:13:04,397
That

1311
01:13:04,397 --> 01:13:09,402
then has to be used over time. That's a different Bucket of money that comes out and they handle that differently.

1312
01:13:09,402 --> 01:13:15,175
And so they they can only give us so much out of that bucket for capital expenditures, and it

1313
01:13:15,175 --> 01:13:16,109
much out of that bucket for capital expenditures, and it's you know, there

1314
01:13:16,109 --> 01:13:17,100
capital expenditures, and it's you know, there's some there how it

1315
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:20,460
you know, there's some there how it's used, and so the county itself has done some things.

1316
01:13:20,460 --> 01:13:22,849
So one of the things he did was, well.

1317
01:13:22,849 --> 01:13:28,555
The pro program I Run is the the UM, Pub public private partnership programs right, and that

1318
01:13:28,555 --> 01:13:36,463
private partnership programs right, and that's helped us accelerate some construction by using a little bit of money from the operating a little bit of hair, the pay and availability payment for construction schoo.

1319
01:13:36,463 --> 01:13:36,563
And.

1320
01:13:36,563 --> 01:13:36,629
That

1321
01:13:36,629 --> 01:13:40,366
construction schoo. And. That's been very helpful that allowed us to build six new schools very quickly.

1322
01:13:40,366 --> 01:13:40,633
We

1323
01:13:40,633 --> 01:13:51,511
allowed us to build six new schools very quickly. We're working on eight more, which will be done very quickly and then the other thing behind that is, um they they enable to leverage some money from the state that we would not otherwise have

1324
01:13:51,511 --> 01:13:52,879
gotten because of it.

1325
01:13:52,879 --> 01:13:55,810
So there are a lot of things that are that they

1326
01:13:55,748 --> 01:13:56,820
of it. So there are a lot of things that are that they're trying to do.

1327
01:13:56,316 --> 01:13:56,716
We

1328
01:13:56,716 --> 01:14:00,587
things that are that they're trying to do. We're working with the county government to try and figure out more and more creative ways.

1329
01:14:00,587 --> 01:14:07,930
In order to use the money and and to get the money, But the reality is That.

1330
01:14:07,930 --> 01:14:07,930
Um, there

1331
01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:11,531
the money, But the reality is That. Um, there's only so much, um, water in the in in the bucket and I.

1332
01:14:11,531 --> 01:14:12,198
I can prom.

1333
01:14:12,198 --> 01:14:14,734
I can tell you that since I

1334
01:14:14,734 --> 01:14:25,712
bucket and I. I can prom. I can tell you that since I've taken over the job, um, when I was capital director, we doubled our expenditures, our annual expenditures and like roughly $85 million a year to 100 and 55, you know, million dollars a

1335
01:14:25,712 --> 01:14:26,120
year, so we

1336
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,480
55, you know, million dollars a year, so we're spending it as fast as we can get it.

1337
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:29,816
But the problem is, there

1338
01:14:29,816 --> 01:14:34,554
fast as we can get it. But the problem is, there's only so much that the county can bond and unless they decide unless there

1339
01:14:34,554 --> 01:14:37,900
and unless they decide unless there's an Ready for them to do more, and we

1340
01:14:37,357 --> 01:14:37,423
there's an Ready for them to do more, and we're I

1341
01:14:37,423 --> 01:14:37,724
there's an Ready for them to do more, and we're I'm I

1342
01:14:37,724 --> 01:14:37,724
there's an Ready for them to do more, and we're I'm I'm.

1343
01:14:37,724 --> 01:14:37,891
I

1344
01:14:37,891 --> 01:14:39,250
there's an Ready for them to do more, and we're I'm I'm. I'm Sorry.

1345
01:14:39,250 --> 01:14:39,580
That

1346
01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:39,692
more, and we're I'm I'm. I'm Sorry. That's an opaque process.

1347
01:14:39,692 --> 01:14:39,926
I I

1348
01:14:39,926 --> 01:14:42,462
Sorry. That's an opaque process. I I'm not really part of that part of it.

1349
01:14:42,462 --> 01:14:42,562
Thank you.

1350
01:14:42,562 --> 01:14:45,365
Thank you.

1351
01:14:45,365 --> 01:14:46,366
Continue all right.

1352
01:14:46,366 --> 01:14:49,536
Uh, just quick question on the, uh, bus routes.

1353
01:14:49,536 --> 01:14:54,730
I have a a resident who, uh, is of special needs.

1354
01:14:54,730 --> 01:15:00,460
Uh, they have a bus stop in the middle of the street That obviously produces challenges.

1355
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:01,781
Uh, and I.

1356
01:15:01,781 --> 01:15:02,480
Just.

1357
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:09,222
Wanna make sure that there is a way for them to maybe through the TRS ticketing program.

1358
01:15:09,222 --> 01:15:09,522
Uh, And.

1359
01:15:09,522 --> 01:15:09,789
If that

1360
01:15:09,789 --> 01:15:11,900
ticketing program. Uh, And. If that's the answer.

1361
01:15:11,900 --> 01:15:11,900
Then.

1362
01:15:11,900 --> 01:15:11,900
I

1363
01:15:11,224 --> 01:15:18,998
ticketing program. Uh, And. If that's the answer. Then. I've learned something today so That is a a quick way.

1364
01:15:18,998 --> 01:15:20,900
Um another way, if you wouldn

1365
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:24,571
is a a quick way. Um another way, if you wouldn't mind sharing the school in the bus stop location.

1366
01:15:24,571 --> 01:15:25,380
Um This meeting.

1367
01:15:25,380 --> 01:15:25,380
That

1368
01:15:25,104 --> 01:15:27,440
stop location. Um This meeting. That's one thing that we can address immediately will do.

1369
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:29,709
Thank you.

1370
01:15:29,709 --> 01:15:35,815
Um, there is a question to the I think in the that falls of the previous category, Miss Mackay.

1371
01:15:35,815 --> 01:15:36,149
It

1372
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:36,783
that falls of the previous category, Miss Mackay. It's good, So.

1373
01:15:36,783 --> 01:15:48,962
This is one of my questions, but it got put into with, um my co my colleague, but, um, I was wondering if you could share with us the plans for the door Kennedy School.

1374
01:15:48,962 --> 01:15:49,929
Like, just like what

1375
01:15:49,929 --> 01:15:51,864
for the door Kennedy School. Like, just like what's going on.

1376
01:15:51,864 --> 01:15:51,898
We.

1377
01:15:51,898 --> 01:15:59,272
We have, um we sent a letter to you a while back and and we just would like to know what the status is today.

1378
01:15:59,272 --> 01:16:01,574
Sure Thank you so much for that question.

1379
01:16:01,574 --> 01:16:02,909
Um, So, As.

1380
01:16:02,909 --> 01:16:03,760
You know we

1381
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,578
question. Um, So, As. You know we've had, um Uh, I.

1382
01:16:05,578 --> 01:16:11,584
Wanna say four engagements with the door Kennedy community, uh, within the last, uh month.

1383
01:16:11,584 --> 01:16:27,667
Uh, where I had an opportunity to meet with not only the principals, the PTAS the PT, A, Uh, Executive board and then the full, uh, in a full town hall format, the community, uh, the initial plan that was, uh uh, introduced to do.

1384
01:16:27,667 --> 01:16:40,713
Kennedy was to move as a permanent swing or a permanent placement to Kenmore Middle School, uh, in the Landover area, uh, that was met with real resistance.

1385
01:16:40,713 --> 01:16:52,725
Um, um, uh, to a degree that, um You know it it it Encouraged us to revisit that plan, uh, and to take into account the feedback that we received from the community, So.

1386
01:16:52,725 --> 01:16:55,940
We did just that, Uh, at the last town hall meeting.

1387
01:16:55,728 --> 01:17:00,199
That was I want to say a week ago or a week and a half?

1388
01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:02,802
Uh, we shared an alternative option.

1389
01:17:02,802 --> 01:17:05,400
Uh, that is being vetted.

1390
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:15,348
Now, uh, for instead of moving to Kenmore middle school that the permanent placement for the door Kennedy French immersion program would be colation at Robert Goddard.

1391
01:17:15,348 --> 01:17:16,449
Sorry school.

1392
01:17:16,449 --> 01:17:22,855
Uh, which is where the school was located about.

1393
01:17:22,855 --> 01:17:24,223
1514 15 years ago.

1394
01:17:24,223 --> 01:17:28,610
Um and so, uh, we did share.

1395
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:35,680
Uh, the specifics around that possibility at that town hall meeting, uh, about a week and a half ago.

1396
01:17:35,134 --> 01:17:39,672
Um, we took feedback from the community in that session.

1397
01:17:39,672 --> 01:17:42,608
Uh, we actually shifted from presenting to just kind of listening.

1398
01:17:42,608 --> 01:17:49,549
Uh, we wanted to hear their feedback, uh, with respect to, uh what Their reactions were to that as a possibility.

1399
01:17:49,549 --> 01:18:06,650
Uh, we also Pointed out the, uh, major renovations that were recently completed at the Robert Goddard, uh, facility we talked about, uh, plans that we were, Uh uh, moving forward.

1400
01:18:06,650 --> 01:18:09,335
With expanding the capacity of that facility to house students.

1401
01:18:09,335 --> 01:18:10,570
Uh and so that

1402
01:18:10,570 --> 01:18:11,938
to house students. Uh and so that's where it sits.

1403
01:18:11,938 --> 01:18:16,776
Uh, we are still looking at that as a draft possibility.

1404
01:18:16,776 --> 01:18:31,491
Uh, we are working through the many different specifics, uh, related to that because it would require us to, uh, swing the Hydesville elementary school community to, uh, another location.

1405
01:18:31,491 --> 01:18:31,724
Saint Mark

1406
01:18:31,724 --> 01:18:38,631
school community to, uh, another location. Saint Mark's church, which is close to, um Uh, Northwestern High school and in the shadow of University of Maryland.

1407
01:18:38,631 --> 01:18:38,898
Uh, we

1408
01:18:38,898 --> 01:18:39,832
and in the shadow of University of Maryland. Uh, we've used that site.

1409
01:18:39,832 --> 01:18:41,167
I think you all are familiar with it?

1410
01:18:41,167 --> 01:18:43,770
That site. I think you all are familiar with it? That's where Cherokee Lane was located for a year.

1411
01:18:43,770 --> 01:18:48,941
Uh so we know it is a viable location for a one of our school communities.

1412
01:18:48,941 --> 01:18:50,143
Um, so we

1413
01:18:50,143 --> 01:19:02,488
our school communities. Um, so we're working through the process, uh, with the archdiocese to to determine if that is something that we can, uh solidify, Uh, once that is taken care of, Um, uh then we

1414
01:19:02,488 --> 01:19:04,657
taken care of, Um, uh then we'll feel more confident, uh, that we can take this.

1415
01:19:04,657 --> 01:19:06,659
A draft plan to an actual plan.

1416
01:19:06,659 --> 01:19:07,590
And, so that

1417
01:19:07,126 --> 01:19:13,466
plan to an actual plan. And, so that's pretty much where we are, Uh, we shared this this updated.

1418
01:19:13,466 --> 01:19:14,330
Uh uh, swing plan.

1419
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:19,572
Uh, with the, uh do Kennedy community and we actually shared it with the Hydesville elementary school community as well.

1420
01:19:19,572 --> 01:19:22,740
Uh, because we want everyone to be aware of.

1421
01:19:22,740 --> 01:19:24,430
What of the pivot, uh, that we

1422
01:19:24,430 --> 01:19:25,878
What of the pivot, uh, that we're looking to make.

1423
01:19:25,878 --> 01:19:37,323
Uh, but we will certainly inform, uh, the community once we have been, we feel confident that all those steps the variables that are are Uh, needed.

1424
01:19:37,323 --> 01:19:38,858
Uh uh, before we can solidify it Well.

1425
01:19:38,858 --> 01:19:39,725
We will notify the community once that

1426
01:19:39,725 --> 01:19:41,594
We will notify the community once that's done.

1427
01:19:41,594 --> 01:19:43,863
Thank you for listening to the community.

1428
01:19:43,863 --> 01:19:46,980
Thank you appreciated that any follow up questions?

1429
01:19:46,332 --> 01:19:46,499
Go ahead.

1430
01:19:46,499 --> 01:19:47,800
Turn on this.

1431
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:47,800
I.

1432
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,370
I just want to shift over to safety.

1433
01:19:51,370 --> 01:19:58,711
Uh, one more time and so some parents have shared with me that there are some pretty, uh, grotesque incidents that, uh, they

1434
01:19:58,711 --> 01:20:03,820
are some pretty, uh, grotesque incidents that, uh, they've been made aware of, and this could be the rumors or obviously through factuality.

1435
01:20:03,820 --> 01:20:10,323
But if there is any potential, uh Incident that occurs, uh, where the schools are impacted.

1436
01:20:10,323 --> 01:20:12,592
What is the notification process to the students.

1437
01:20:12,592 --> 01:20:12,792
All, Right?

1438
01:20:12,792 --> 01:20:18,640
Zoom me to the parents.

1439
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:27,773
So, depending upon what the situation is, we have a robust notification process to families where we send written notification home.

1440
01:20:27,773 --> 01:20:29,308
Uh, regarding the if it

1441
01:20:29,308 --> 01:20:33,613
notification home. Uh, regarding the if it's an egregious incident, Um um it would be sent home in a letter.

1442
01:20:33,613 --> 01:20:35,748
Um and and maybe even a robocall.

1443
01:20:35,748 --> 01:20:41,988
We work with our communications department to ensure that communication is streamlined and clear.

1444
01:20:41,988 --> 01:20:42,355
Thank you?

1445
01:20:42,355 --> 01:20:45,858
Thank you Who is going to take number 10.

1446
01:20:45,858 --> 01:20:49,195
Um Revenge.

1447
01:20:49,195 --> 01:20:49,328
A.

1448
01:20:49,328 --> 01:20:51,970
Follow up question, Mr me, please go ahead.

1449
01:20:51,764 --> 01:20:57,303
Thank you, um back in October, The Diamondback, Our student newspaper ran a piece on bus driver safety in the school system.

1450
01:20:57,303 --> 01:21:05,344
Um, and in the piece, they quoted a bus driver who was talking about how when a school goes on lockdown, The buses are sitting outside.

1451
01:21:05,344 --> 01:21:05,978
Um, and the school doesn

1452
01:21:05,978 --> 01:21:10,449
buses are sitting outside. Um, and the school doesn't take the drivers off the buses and they advocated for an emergency plan for bus drivers.

1453
01:21:10,449 --> 01:21:18,424
I was wondering if you could speak on that at all.

1454
01:21:18,424 --> 01:21:21,294
Thank you for that.

1455
01:21:21,294 --> 01:21:25,970
And situations where they are lockdowns.

1456
01:21:25,164 --> 01:21:33,239
Um, notifications were sent, um basically from our security and safety division and then shared with our transportation department and drivers.

1457
01:21:33,239 --> 01:21:46,552
It is kind of on an individual basis and care the situation on how our drivers are dealt with for any lockdown situation, and so we have to be cognizant of location.

1458
01:21:46,552 --> 01:21:52,391
Um and it severity of what the lockdown may entail and make the best decision from there.

1459
01:21:52,391 --> 01:22:05,338
So even though um, there may be a lockdown for a situation in a bus is at the school, then security takes the necessary approaches to, um Validate the situation and make a decision from there.

1460
01:22:05,338 --> 01:22:05,738
So.

1461
01:22:05,738 --> 01:22:07,473
There is an an emergency plan.

1462
01:22:07,473 --> 01:22:11,877
Uh, for our drivers and our staff for any emergency.

1463
01:22:11,877 --> 01:22:14,413
But like anything that happens, Um There

1464
01:22:14,413 --> 01:22:19,852
like anything that happens, Um There's always something that, um may go Astri, and then we have to make a best judgment from that standpoint.

1465
01:22:19,852 --> 01:22:20,186
Thanks And.

1466
01:22:20,186 --> 01:22:30,960
One more question if I can, um, the same article said that as of October, the school system was working on phasing in security screen devices at high schools and some middle schools.

1467
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,967
Could You tell us about that.

1468
01:22:34,967 --> 01:22:35,340
Yes, sir.

1469
01:22:35,267 --> 01:22:37,903
Thank you so much for that question.

1470
01:22:37,903 --> 01:22:49,782
Uh, we did actually move forward with the security enhancement devices being installed in all of our high schools, Uh, and nine of our middle schools and one of our K eight pre K eight academies.

1471
01:22:49,782 --> 01:22:51,650
Uh so, tho the the, um We

1472
01:22:51,650 --> 01:23:03,950
academies. Uh so, tho the the, um We're at the point now where we are assessing, uh, the implementation we are assessing, uh, the implementation we're looking at data around impact of the devices being in place, but they

1473
01:23:03,396 --> 01:23:05,865
devices being in place, but they're all in, uh, staffs have been trained.

1474
01:23:05,865 --> 01:23:12,972
Students have been, um Uh, oriented to to to how the devices work and and we

1475
01:23:12,972 --> 01:23:16,409
how the devices work and and we're excited about, uh, them making our buildings and our communities safer.

1476
01:23:16,409 --> 01:23:16,809
Sorry.

1477
01:23:16,809 --> 01:23:19,979
What are the devices consist of It

1478
01:23:19,979 --> 01:23:22,581
communities safer. Sorry. What are the devices consist of It's a metal detection device.

1479
01:23:22,581 --> 01:23:24,850
So, uh, similar to if you were to go through.

1480
01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:25,510
Uh, if you

1481
01:23:25,418 --> 01:23:30,220
uh, similar to if you were to go through. Uh, if you've been to a sports game and you walk through the device to get into the stadium, it

1482
01:23:30,220 --> 01:23:31,257
through the device to get into the stadium, it's very similar to that.

1483
01:23:31,257 --> 01:23:34,226
I went to the, uh, Washington Nationals game and I.

1484
01:23:34,226 --> 01:23:41,534
I was tickled that the very same device that we installed in our schools is what I walked through to get into the to the to the stadium.

1485
01:23:41,534 --> 01:23:41,867
Thank you?

1486
01:23:41,867 --> 01:23:45,538
I look forward to hearing more about how the results play out.

1487
01:23:45,538 --> 01:23:46,839
Absolutely thank you.

1488
01:23:46,839 --> 01:23:49,909
Uh, Mr Hall.

1489
01:23:49,909 --> 01:23:50,476
Yeah.

1490
01:23:50,476 --> 01:23:50,810
Just.

1491
01:23:50,810 --> 01:23:51,477
Sorry Excuse me.

1492
01:23:51,477 --> 01:23:56,882
Um I just think 11 more question is a along the lines of our safety.

1493
01:23:56,882 --> 01:23:57,583
And, Uh, school buses.

1494
01:23:57,583 --> 01:24:04,890
Um, we received a number of, um, complaints from the residents, at least in our district, um, that they

1495
01:24:04,890 --> 01:24:08,160
residents, at least in our district, um, that they've witnessed school buses running stop signs on quite a regular basis.

1496
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:08,794
I don

1497
01:24:08,794 --> 01:24:11,970
stop signs on quite a regular basis. I don't know about the other communities if you

1498
01:24:11,730 --> 01:24:15,835
basis. I don't know about the other communities if you're having that issue two days ago, someone texted me.

1499
01:24:15,835 --> 01:24:18,737
He was he was yelling at me.

1500
01:24:18,737 --> 01:24:26,679
Bus driver cameras on You can audit drivers and for this kind of behavior.

1501
01:24:26,679 --> 01:24:31,584
Thank you for sharing that, Um our buses do have cameras.

1502
01:24:31,584 --> 01:24:42,294
Um all we would need to know is a time and location and we can do a check to ensure that, um, our buses are actually following the road safety.

1503
01:24:42,294 --> 01:24:42,595
Good to know.

1504
01:24:42,595 --> 01:24:42,761
Thank you.

1505
01:24:42,761 --> 01:24:44,697
Thank you.

1506
01:24:44,697 --> 01:24:45,364
All.

1507
01:24:45,364 --> 01:24:45,664
Right.

1508
01:24:45,664 --> 01:24:46,966
Mr Hernandez continue.

1509
01:24:46,966 --> 01:24:47,900
Yep, Uh, buses are late.

1510
01:24:47,900 --> 01:24:49,340
Buses are on time because everybody

1511
01:24:49,235 --> 01:24:50,402
buses are late. Buses are on time because everybody's going fast.

1512
01:24:50,402 --> 01:24:54,390
I think that you know no one wins.

1513
01:24:54,106 --> 01:25:01,460
Uh, but, uh, understanding that there is, uh, some shifting a little bit, uh to financial and academic transparency.

1514
01:25:01,460 --> 01:25:05,618
Uh, I understand that the Hollywood Elementary experience the failed audit.

1515
01:25:05,618 --> 01:25:11,900
At some point maybe about, uh, in 2018 and not to put anybody on the spot here, but I

1516
01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:15,995
2018 and not to put anybody on the spot here, but I'm just trying to, I guess, improve an element.

1517
01:25:15,995 --> 01:25:23,769
Trust, uh, citizens have with P GCP S, Uh, the and now I understand, Uh, how budgets work and that all those funds don

1518
01:25:23,769 --> 01:25:26,672
budgets work and that all those funds don't necessarily trickle down to the schools.

1519
01:25:26,672 --> 01:25:27,907
Uh, where?

1520
01:25:27,907 --> 01:25:28,941
Municipality, Uh, we don

1521
01:25:28,941 --> 01:25:31,810
down to the schools. Uh, where? Municipality, Uh, we don't get funds directly from the federal government.

1522
01:25:31,810 --> 01:25:32,770
Uh, Unless you

1523
01:25:32,770 --> 01:25:33,679
funds directly from the federal government. Uh, Unless you're thinking arpa.

1524
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:34,313
So II.

1525
01:25:34,313 --> 01:25:37,783
I fully understand that, But Uh, I.

1526
01:25:37,783 --> 01:25:37,816
I

1527
01:25:37,816 --> 01:25:37,883
understand that, But Uh, I. I've I

1528
01:25:37,883 --> 01:25:43,122
understand that, But Uh, I. I've I've experienced, uh Hearing some of the residents tell me, you know I can

1529
01:25:43,122 --> 01:25:44,890
Hearing some of the residents tell me, you know I can't spend $40.

1530
01:25:44,190 --> 01:25:44,423
I can

1531
01:25:44,423 --> 01:25:44,823
tell me, you know I can't spend $40. I can't I can

1532
01:25:44,823 --> 01:25:50,196
tell me, you know I can't spend $40. I can't I can't give any, my my child $40 so that they can go to the Baltimore Aquarium I.

1533
01:25:50,196 --> 01:25:52,464
I can go to the Baltimore Aquarium I. I can't, uh I can go to the Baltimore Aquarium I. I can't, uh I can't help.

1534
01:25:52,464 --> 01:25:53,732
You know I can

1535
01:25:53,732 --> 01:25:53,832
Aquarium I. I can't, uh I can't help. You know I can't There

1536
01:25:53,832 --> 01:25:56,100
Aquarium I. I can't, uh I can't help. You know I can't There's just always more out of pocket Now.

1537
01:25:56,100 --> 01:26:01,173
I understand this happens for for larger programs, But can you help me better understand what?

1538
01:26:01,173 --> 01:26:01,774
Uh, who

1539
01:26:01,774 --> 01:26:06,110
can you help me better understand what? Uh, who's in charge of the of the overall budget at a particular school?

1540
01:26:06,110 --> 01:26:12,840
Uh and and why those expenses are being rolled over to the families?

1541
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:12,840
So.

1542
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:12,840
I don

1543
01:26:12,184 --> 01:26:14,190
are being rolled over to the families? So. I don't want to sound like a broken record.

1544
01:26:14,190 --> 01:26:14,954
But.

1545
01:26:14,954 --> 01:26:16,288
This is the operations team.

1546
01:26:16,288 --> 01:26:19,458
Uh, so this is not, uh, an area that

1547
01:26:19,458 --> 01:26:20,492
so this is not, uh, an area that's under our purview.

1548
01:26:20,492 --> 01:26:33,205
Uh, but certainly we can take that question back to our, uh, office of school leadership, uh, to provide a response regarding, um How.

1549
01:26:33,205 --> 01:26:42,810
The expenses of expanding the educational program are sometimes passed along to families or not, Um, and then they can provide that response to you.

1550
01:26:42,810 --> 01:26:52,725
Thank you, Uh, I asking the next question with the with the tumor, right modernization is that you are going to say Are.

1551
01:26:52,725 --> 01:26:56,362
You going to ask.

1552
01:26:56,362 --> 01:26:57,290
I Yes.

1553
01:26:57,290 --> 01:26:57,620
Yes.

1554
01:26:57,620 --> 01:26:58,397
Uh so just wanna touch on and I

1555
01:26:58,397 --> 01:27:03,369
ask. I Yes. Yes. Uh so just wanna touch on and I'm sure this is gonna be towards, uh, not towards you all.

1556
01:27:03,369 --> 01:27:19,180
But, uh, much like the the residents who spoke today I think there is a difficulty understanding How, uh, Schools are students can get accepted into some of the charter schools or some of the magnet programs that are out there.

1557
01:27:19,180 --> 01:27:27,590
Uh, this is particularly obviously challenging for those who do not have parents who can actively, uh, advocate for their for their particular students.

1558
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:27,590
I

1559
01:27:27,326 --> 01:27:27,893
their for their particular students. I'm wondering.

1560
01:27:27,893 --> 01:27:42,241
Is there a system a process in place that parents can can, uh, can go to that would help them navigate and follow up on those particular applications and how to make their applications more competit.

1561
01:27:42,241 --> 01:27:42,875
Yeah.

1562
01:27:42,875 --> 01:27:43,509
Absolutely.

1563
01:27:43,509 --> 01:27:48,470
We have a specialty programs office that is underneath the division of academics.

1564
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:57,990
Uh so they can provide additional information regarding specialty program offerings at our different, uh, school locations that is separate from our charter school

1565
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:58,900
that is separate from our charter school's office.

1566
01:27:58,290 --> 01:28:07,633
So charter schools I would put in a separate bucket and we have a separate office that supports charter schools that would be able to respond to questions around charters.

1567
01:28:07,633 --> 01:28:09,201
And what are the What?

1568
01:28:09,201 --> 01:28:09,234
Are?

1569
01:28:09,234 --> 01:28:09,902
The officers names like I

1570
01:28:09,902 --> 01:28:10,169
the What? Are? The officers names like I'm sorry.

1571
01:28:10,169 --> 01:28:11,437
One more time just as I

1572
01:28:11,437 --> 01:28:16,909
names like I'm sorry. One more time just as I'm typing out, should they under the division of academics it there

1573
01:28:16,909 --> 01:28:20,120
should they under the division of academics it there's a specialty program office.

1574
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:25,184
The director is, Uh uh Dean Manzano Lee.

1575
01:28:25,184 --> 01:28:29,188
D at DESANN.

1576
01:28:29,188 --> 01:28:31,990
Manzano MA NZANO.

1577
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:35,694
Uh, hyphen Lee LEE.

1578
01:28:35,694 --> 01:28:35,994
And.

1579
01:28:35,994 --> 01:28:36,195
Then.

1580
01:28:36,195 --> 01:28:38,163
The Charter is what office?

1581
01:28:38,163 --> 01:28:38,797
There

1582
01:28:38,797 --> 01:28:44,370
Then. The Charter is what office? There's a charter school office charter school office and, uh, Doctor.

1583
01:28:44,370 --> 01:28:49,441
Uh uh, Liz, Excuse me.

1584
01:28:49,441 --> 01:28:52,440
Uh, Elizabeth Saunders Saunders, OK, Thank you.

1585
01:28:52,177 --> 01:28:52,211
You

1586
01:28:52,211 --> 01:28:58,684
Saunders Saunders, OK, Thank you. You're welcome.

1587
01:28:58,684 --> 01:29:02,254
Is that who is going to take the you You're welcome. Is that who is going to take the you're done.

1588
01:29:02,254 --> 01:29:03,589
Please go ahead.

1589
01:29:03,589 --> 01:29:04,556
We

1590
01:29:04,556 --> 01:29:05,570
who is going to take the you're done. Please go ahead. We're pushing through the modernization.

1591
01:29:05,190 --> 01:29:07,793
I have a lot of questions.

1592
01:29:07,793 --> 01:29:07,793
Obviously.

1593
01:29:07,793 --> 01:29:08,394
I

1594
01:29:08,394 --> 01:29:09,695
modernization. I have a lot of questions. Obviously. I'm getting up to speed.

1595
01:29:09,695 --> 01:29:18,700
So what efforts are being taken to introduce, Uh, Internet learning advocacy for parents, So I Recently Heard of school, Max.

1596
01:29:18,404 --> 01:29:22,574
Uh and I know that that program probably has existed since I

1597
01:29:22,574 --> 01:29:23,609
program probably has existed since I've gotten here.

1598
01:29:23,609 --> 01:29:24,510
Uh, but I.

1599
01:29:24,510 --> 01:29:25,477
I also know that I

1600
01:29:25,477 --> 01:29:25,511
since I've gotten here. Uh, but I. I also know that I'm.

1601
01:29:25,511 --> 01:29:25,811
I

1602
01:29:25,811 --> 01:29:31,784
since I've gotten here. Uh, but I. I also know that I'm. I'm struggling to get people to just, uh, get familiar with our city app.

1603
01:29:31,784 --> 01:29:34,553
Uh, what without like effective training or one on one training.

1604
01:29:34,553 --> 01:29:35,821
Is there.

1605
01:29:35,821 --> 01:29:43,996
Training available for parents to to to register for a school, Max account and and, uh, get more familiar with the program like this.

1606
01:29:43,996 --> 01:29:44,763
Can I understand It

1607
01:29:44,763 --> 01:29:46,632
like this. Can I understand It's a great resource Once you got once you

1608
01:29:46,632 --> 01:29:47,833
It's a great resource Once you got once you're up to speed.

1609
01:29:47,833 --> 01:29:48,400
The answer is Yes, we

1610
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:48,801
got once you're up to speed. The answer is Yes, we'll we

1611
01:29:48,801 --> 01:29:49,134
got once you're up to speed. The answer is Yes, we'll we'll We

1612
01:29:49,134 --> 01:30:02,714
The answer is Yes, we'll we'll We'll have the office of, uh, information technology as well as the, uh uh, community engagement office collaborate to provide you with a robust answer around that, Uh one thing that I will add, Um, is that you

1613
01:30:02,714 --> 01:30:04,249
thing that I will add, Um, is that you're right school.

1614
01:30:04,249 --> 01:30:07,119
Max has been around, uh, a very long time and we

1615
01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:14,293
has been around, uh, a very long time and we're actually going to be transitioning this summer into a new student information system called Synergy.

1616
01:30:14,293 --> 01:30:21,767
Um Um, you know, I know that that that can create some hand wringing, but it is a a very robust system that from what I

1617
01:30:21,767 --> 01:30:24,403
a very robust system that from what I'm understanding is going to be very user friendly.

1618
01:30:24,403 --> 01:30:27,239
Um, uh, and almost like a one stop shop, So.

1619
01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:27,506
We

1620
01:30:27,506 --> 01:30:31,743
uh, and almost like a one stop shop, So. We're really excited about shifting to synergy.

1621
01:30:31,743 --> 01:30:45,257
Um, um to support our families, our teachers as far as their great books, um, interfacing with respect to the family portal for for, Um, Um uh and for even even transportation.

1622
01:30:45,257 --> 01:30:45,591
Interface.

1623
01:30:45,591 --> 01:30:45,624
So.

1624
01:30:45,624 --> 01:30:45,991
Uh, it

1625
01:30:45,991 --> 01:30:48,930
even transportation. Interface. So. Uh, it's gonna be very helpful.

1626
01:30:48,930 --> 01:30:55,200
Thank you and there will be training provided for families around, uh, that transition into that system.

1627
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:55,434
That

1628
01:30:55,434 --> 01:30:55,501
transition into that system. That's That

1629
01:30:55,501 --> 01:30:55,767
transition into that system. That's That's amazing.

1630
01:30:55,767 --> 01:30:56,101
And I.

1631
01:30:56,101 --> 01:31:02,541
I hope to look forward to connecting with the IT and community engagement office.

1632
01:31:02,541 --> 01:31:02,841
Uh, it

1633
01:31:02,841 --> 01:31:05,744
community engagement office. Uh, it's always super challenging and these are contracts, right?

1634
01:31:05,744 --> 01:31:05,777
So.

1635
01:31:05,777 --> 01:31:05,844
They

1636
01:31:05,844 --> 01:31:06,111
and these are contracts, right? So. They're they

1637
01:31:06,111 --> 01:31:06,512
and these are contracts, right? So. They're they're not in.

1638
01:31:06,512 --> 01:31:07,120
They

1639
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,800
So. They're they're not in. They're not built in housing systems.

1640
01:31:08,247 --> 01:31:09,781
These are Now.

1641
01:31:09,781 --> 01:31:10,349
That

1642
01:31:10,349 --> 01:31:13,285
They're not built in housing systems. These are Now. That's a third party vendor.

1643
01:31:13,285 --> 01:31:14,586
OK, Um, moving on to that question.

1644
01:31:14,586 --> 01:31:20,250
Uh, how are we working with, uh, families with limited resources time?

1645
01:31:20,250 --> 01:31:27,650
Money, uh, access to laptops, uh, to ensure that they are active in the education of their students, ensuring no one falls through the crack.

1646
01:31:27,466 --> 01:31:33,500
The anecdote that comes to mind is when I first got here, and I was helping a sibling out.

1647
01:31:33,500 --> 01:31:37,750
Uh, someone was very blunt with me and said, you know if the parents don

1648
01:31:37,509 --> 01:31:38,944
very blunt with me and said, you know if the parents don't advocate it it it

1649
01:31:38,944 --> 01:31:39,770
you know if the parents don't advocate it it it's on them.

1650
01:31:39,770 --> 01:31:41,460
Uh, And.

1651
01:31:41,146 --> 01:31:45,250
Obviously, she was just trying to be real with me.

1652
01:31:45,250 --> 01:31:45,817
Uh, but it it

1653
01:31:45,817 --> 01:31:49,354
trying to be real with me. Uh, but it it's really challenging because I know a lot of people don

1654
01:31:49,354 --> 01:31:54,560
because I know a lot of people don't know or even willing to go, Uh, against some of these systems.

1655
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:59,998
I any advice we could share with some of those residents.

1656
01:31:59,998 --> 01:32:09,975
I would defer that to doctor Sheila Jackson, our director of community engagement, She will certainly be able to provide a wealth of advice.

1657
01:32:09,975 --> 01:32:13,745
Guidance information, uh, to support families in navigating the school district.

1658
01:32:13,745 --> 01:32:14,790
Thank you so it

1659
01:32:14,179 --> 01:32:16,214
navigating the school district. Thank you so it's a follow up questions.

1660
01:32:16,214 --> 01:32:21,453
Um do you wanna go to the very last one in the community Trust Band management.

1661
01:32:21,453 --> 01:32:21,687
It

1662
01:32:21,687 --> 01:32:23,121
community Trust Band management. It's a brand management.

1663
01:32:23,121 --> 01:32:23,221
Oh.

1664
01:32:23,221 --> 01:32:23,288
Yeah.

1665
01:32:23,288 --> 01:32:25,424
Brand management.

1666
01:32:25,424 --> 01:32:26,910
Uh Well.

1667
01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:26,910
I.

1668
01:32:26,258 --> 01:32:26,325
Uh II.

1669
01:32:26,325 --> 01:32:26,425
I don

1670
01:32:26,425 --> 01:32:27,793
Yeah. Brand management. Uh Well. I. Uh II. I don't think Like.

1671
01:32:27,793 --> 01:32:28,894
I said from the very beginning that we

1672
01:32:28,894 --> 01:32:30,295
said from the very beginning that we're gonna be able to fix a lot.

1673
01:32:30,295 --> 01:32:33,265
Many of the issues that exist.

1674
01:32:33,265 --> 01:32:40,172
Uh, a lot of a lot of my residents will actively Tell me and it always breaks my heart that they

1675
01:32:40,172 --> 01:32:51,249
and it always breaks my heart that they're gonna send their students They prefer to send their students to Montgomery Uh or Montgomery County or they or one of the parents needs to stay home, so they do They do home schooling or They

1676
01:32:51,249 --> 01:32:54,353
stay home, so they do They do home schooling or They're looking for some sort of private option.

1677
01:32:54,353 --> 01:32:54,686
Uh I

1678
01:32:54,686 --> 01:33:02,995
looking for some sort of private option. Uh I'm trying to help you all and and and as a as a child of public school education, build trust with the community.

1679
01:33:02,995 --> 01:33:03,280
So.

1680
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:07,265
Uh, what are some trust building measures that are currently in place.

1681
01:33:07,265 --> 01:33:20,780
Be it events, Uh, meet and greet, Uh, Or organizing or collaborating with the PT OS, uh, to to to build that sort of trust.

1682
01:33:20,679 --> 01:33:23,248
I think every office could respond to this question, but I

1683
01:33:23,248 --> 01:33:30,550
could respond to this question, but I'll respond from the operations perspective, Um, in that transparency is important.

1684
01:33:30,122 --> 01:33:38,330
Um and and really, uh, communicating clearly and consistently, uh, our challenges.

1685
01:33:38,330 --> 01:33:47,339
Um, communicating very clearly the successes that we are achieving, um and and really extending a hand to a partner.

1686
01:33:47,339 --> 01:33:51,410
Uh uh, together, uh, to meet the challenges that are before us, Uh, it

1687
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:55,447
to meet the challenges that are before us, Uh, it's a challenging time in education.

1688
01:33:55,447 --> 01:33:57,249
Uh around staffing around.

1689
01:33:57,249 --> 01:34:07,920
Uh, you know, uh, you talked about security incidents that occur now we have, uh um, security enhancement devices in our schools like these are things that We wouldn

1690
01:34:07,659 --> 01:34:09,610
schools like these are things that We wouldn't have thought of 2030 years ago.

1691
01:34:09,594 --> 01:34:09,928
But.

1692
01:34:09,928 --> 01:34:09,995
Now.

1693
01:34:09,995 --> 01:34:10,228
It

1694
01:34:10,228 --> 01:34:11,963
of 2030 years ago. But. Now. It's a reality for us right?

1695
01:34:11,963 --> 01:34:12,831
And so it

1696
01:34:12,831 --> 01:34:21,273
It's a reality for us right? And so it's putting a strain on everyone, uh, to work together, uh, to provide the type of education for Children that we can be proud of.

1697
01:34:21,273 --> 01:34:23,675
Um, I know personally, I live in this county.

1698
01:34:23,675 --> 01:34:25,977
I decided to move here from Montgomery County.

1699
01:34:25,977 --> 01:34:29,114
I decided to move here from Montgomery County. I've decided to raise my family here in this county.

1700
01:34:29,114 --> 01:34:32,317
I put my Children in our schools purposefully and I

1701
01:34:32,317 --> 01:34:35,987
Children in our schools purposefully and I've worked in this district for almost 30 years all on purpose because it

1702
01:34:35,987 --> 01:34:39,458
years all on purpose because it's a beautiful place to be and to raise a family.

1703
01:34:39,458 --> 01:34:40,926
And, So I.

1704
01:34:40,926 --> 01:34:49,301
Just think extending a hand continuing to be transparent, continuing to be earnest in our work continuing to, uh, look for opportunities to collaborate.

1705
01:34:49,301 --> 01:34:54,306
All of that matters and just communicating over and over and over again.

1706
01:34:54,306 --> 01:34:58,176
For people to get engaged opportunities to to really be a part.

1707
01:34:58,176 --> 01:35:03,140
I really appreciated the the comment, Uh, that I heard from our Councilwoman around, you know?

1708
01:35:03,140 --> 01:35:03,648
How, do you?

1709
01:35:03,648 --> 01:35:03,949
How?

1710
01:35:03,949 --> 01:35:04,150
Do?

1711
01:35:04,150 --> 01:35:13,925
We make people feel Right, like if a principal make, uh or or our chief operating officer makes you feel like you can be a part, then maybe I

1712
01:35:13,925 --> 01:35:14,893
makes you feel like you can be a part, then maybe I'll be a part.

1713
01:35:14,893 --> 01:35:16,828
But if it feels like there

1714
01:35:16,828 --> 01:35:17,496
part. But if it feels like there's this wall, that

1715
01:35:17,496 --> 01:35:17,729
part. But if it feels like there's this wall, that's up.

1716
01:35:17,729 --> 01:35:20,799
Well, then that makes it difficult for people to engage.

1717
01:35:20,799 --> 01:35:22,000
Um And, So.

1718
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:31,309
I just think extending a hand and really working, really earnestly trying to work together is how we try to start rebuilding trust.

1719
01:35:31,309 --> 01:35:34,613
It happens one relationship at a time.

1720
01:35:34,613 --> 01:35:35,580
Thank you So, Can.

1721
01:35:35,580 --> 01:35:38,216
I just to respond Really quickly.

1722
01:35:38,216 --> 01:35:39,117
Uh, sir.

1723
01:35:39,117 --> 01:35:42,420
Thank you, uh and consider, Consider this and extremely extended.

1724
01:35:42,420 --> 01:35:42,454
I

1725
01:35:42,454 --> 01:35:49,940
this and extremely extended. I'm sure Many of my colleagues would do the same, uh, to try to partner to build that trust really appreciate your passion and everyone

1726
01:35:49,327 --> 01:35:50,610
really appreciate your passion and everyone's answers today.

1727
01:35:50,428 --> 01:35:50,962
All, Right Mayor Port.

1728
01:35:50,962 --> 01:35:53,498
Uh, you next time?

1729
01:35:53,498 --> 01:35:53,865
Oh I.

1730
01:35:53,865 --> 01:35:59,938
My question is a question that you can send me to answer another day or next week.

1731
01:35:59,938 --> 01:36:00,380
I.

1732
01:36:00,380 --> 01:36:04,676
Appreciate it, You know, uh, we talked about before we started P three.

1733
01:36:04,676 --> 01:36:11,216
So I would just like to get an update in regards to the P three construction.

1734
01:36:11,216 --> 01:36:11,516
Where.

1735
01:36:11,516 --> 01:36:11,583
Are.

1736
01:36:11,583 --> 01:36:13,840
We currently having schools have been built.

1737
01:36:13,451 --> 01:36:22,160
How, many schools are tending to be built, and you talked about the swing space schools if you could send us information that would be greatly appreciated.

1738
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:22,828
So.

1739
01:36:22,828 --> 01:36:22,894
Yeah.

1740
01:36:22,894 --> 01:36:24,620
Um we have six schools have been constructed.

1741
01:36:24,429 --> 01:36:24,696
They

1742
01:36:24,696 --> 01:36:25,397
Um we have six schools have been constructed. They're all been delivered.

1743
01:36:25,397 --> 01:36:25,997
They

1744
01:36:25,997 --> 01:36:26,731
been constructed. They're all been delivered. They're not all in operation.

1745
01:36:26,731 --> 01:36:26,965
We

1746
01:36:26,965 --> 01:36:30,268
been delivered. They're not all in operation. We've now moved from the construction phase into the operation phase.

1747
01:36:30,268 --> 01:36:30,502
There

1748
01:36:30,502 --> 01:36:33,805
into the operation phase. There's still a few things going on in some of the sites, But that

1749
01:36:33,805 --> 01:36:37,800
going on in some of the sites, But that's by design, but there are substantially complete.

1750
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:43,114
Um, the other, uh, the next eight are gonna be, uh, six elementary schools and two K.

1751
01:36:43,114 --> 01:36:44,182
Three eights.

1752
01:36:44,182 --> 01:36:44,916
Um and, uh, we are.

1753
01:36:44,916 --> 01:36:45,417
We

1754
01:36:45,417 --> 01:36:49,688
Three eights. Um and, uh, we are. We've already started the permitting process on, um, three of the schools.

1755
01:36:49,688 --> 01:36:52,190
Um, we actually had a meeting with deep high today.

1756
01:36:52,190 --> 01:36:54,920
Over all the things right now.

1757
01:36:54,759 --> 01:36:54,960
And, Um so we

1758
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,940
things right now. And, Um so we're moving forward with the developer has been selected.

1759
01:36:56,428 --> 01:36:56,494
We

1760
01:36:56,494 --> 01:37:02,667
developer has been selected. We're in the EN a period which is, um, a we did a modified progressive the second time around, so we

1761
01:37:02,667 --> 01:37:08,673
progressive the second time around, so we're working with them to develop their GMP, which is a guaranteed maximum price that they will then go out and price for financing.

1762
01:37:08,673 --> 01:37:08,807
So we

1763
01:37:08,807 --> 01:37:09,241
out and price for financing. So we're working.

1764
01:37:09,241 --> 01:37:09,875
We

1765
01:37:09,875 --> 01:37:10,842
out and price for financing. So we're working. We're in that process.

1766
01:37:10,842 --> 01:37:18,250
Now the expectation is it will close at the end of, uh by statute that will close at the end of June on the on the whole deal.

1767
01:37:18,250 --> 01:37:24,623
And, then once we do that, uh, construction expected to start Our early fall on three of our sites.

1768
01:37:24,623 --> 01:37:25,323
I appreciate that.

1769
01:37:25,323 --> 01:37:32,300
But if you can send it to me in writing, I because I have many residents who are interested about the pre, um, process, So.

1770
01:37:32,300 --> 01:37:32,330
That

1771
01:37:32,330 --> 01:37:35,634
who are interested about the pre, um, process, So. That's Thank Thank you thank you all I know you spent more than an hour.

1772
01:37:35,634 --> 01:37:38,870
Thank you so much for coming 1155.

1773
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:40,238
Maybe the final one.

1774
01:37:40,238 --> 01:37:40,405
I

1775
01:37:40,405 --> 01:37:41,720
coming 1155. Maybe the final one. I'm Just Gonna close out.

1776
01:37:41,673 --> 01:37:47,212
Um I was the council member that asked for you all to come tonight, and I just want to say thank you.

1777
01:37:47,212 --> 01:37:52,500
I know everyone up here wants to say thank you that, um And I hope that you didn

1778
01:37:52,500 --> 01:38:01,590
that, um And I hope that you didn't think that we grilled you too hard, but, um, I would your answers and and your engagement was really helpful tonight and we really appreciate the work that you

1779
01:38:01,493 --> 01:38:02,600
tonight and we really appreciate the work that you're doing.

1780
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:02,930
And.

1781
01:38:02,930 --> 01:38:06,564
Uh, we want you to know that the city wants to work with you.

1782
01:38:06,564 --> 01:38:06,865
Absolutely.

1783
01:38:06,865 --> 01:38:06,965
And.

1784
01:38:06,965 --> 01:38:09,501
You know that that just let us know.

1785
01:38:09,501 --> 01:38:14,406
You know how we can work with you and, uh please stay engaged with us.

1786
01:38:14,406 --> 01:38:14,439
We

1787
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:16,700
with you and, uh please stay engaged with us. We're we have a website?

1788
01:38:16,700 --> 01:38:19,440
You can find our our contact information and and stay engaged with us.

1789
01:38:19,311 --> 01:38:19,444
But.

1790
01:38:19,444 --> 01:38:21,746
Thank you so much for coming.

1791
01:38:21,746 --> 01:38:22,800
I appreciate the partnership.

1792
01:38:22,514 --> 01:38:23,982
Thank you so much.

1793
01:38:23,982 --> 01:38:24,983
Any final words.

1794
01:38:24,983 --> 01:38:25,250
Yes.

1795
01:38:25,250 --> 01:38:27,819
We appreciate the opportunity to come before you and again we

1796
01:38:27,819 --> 01:38:30,880
opportunity to come before you and again we'll provide those follow up responses as we receive those questions.

1797
01:38:30,789 --> 01:38:31,690
I

1798
01:38:31,690 --> 01:38:32,590
follow up responses as we receive those questions. I'm Sure there are many.

1799
01:38:32,590 --> 01:38:34,893
Thank you You had a very good discussion.

1800
01:38:34,893 --> 01:38:37,295
Thank you so much.

1801
01:38:37,295 --> 01:38:37,495
All, right?

1802
01:38:37,495 --> 01:38:42,200
Can I give a The bus.

1803
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:42,534
So.

1804
01:38:42,534 --> 01:38:43,501
Thank you I.

1805
01:38:43,501 --> 01:38:51,609
I See that two group of our residents waiting for the next, uh to work sessions.

1806
01:38:51,609 --> 01:39:02,983
Um, the first one would be a conversation with our members of the Advisory Planning Commission, A PC.

1807
01:39:06,910 --> 01:39:06,910
You.

1808
01:39:06,157 --> 01:39:14,650
That for Please go ahead.

1809
01:39:14,632 --> 01:39:15,567
All right.

1810
01:39:15,567 --> 01:39:17,635
Good, Evening Mayor and council.

1811
01:39:17,635 --> 01:39:17,836
Uh, I

1812
01:39:17,836 --> 01:39:22,700
Good, Evening Mayor and council. Uh, I'm here tonight to introduce and discuss the advisory Planning Commission

1813
01:39:22,700 --> 01:39:25,410
introduce and discuss the advisory Planning Commission's year end, uh, recommendations that were submitted to you in December.

1814
01:39:25,410 --> 01:39:29,981
At, the end of 2023, Can you please come to the mic a little bit.

1815
01:39:29,981 --> 01:39:30,548
Is this better.

1816
01:39:30,548 --> 01:39:34,850
I have a problem with that, Don

1817
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:38,289
a little bit. Is this better. I have a problem with that, Don't I every time um so with me here tonight, I have the chair of the A PC M.

1818
01:39:38,289 --> 01:39:39,240
Stephanie, Stoick.

1819
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:45,597
Uh, the co-chair Mike Mark Meadow Uh and Malika Um and G Kerber, uh, is with us, too.

1820
01:39:45,597 --> 01:39:45,830
Great.

1821
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:48,500
They already made their way to the podium.

1822
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:49,167
Um so I

1823
01:39:49,167 --> 01:39:54,706
Great. They already made their way to the podium. Um so I'm just gonna briefly sort of go over the points that were in the handout, uh, in your packet and Afterwards.

1824
01:39:54,706 --> 01:39:58,576
I will open it up for members of the A PC to add on to what, uh, I

1825
01:39:58,576 --> 01:40:03,381
up for members of the A PC to add on to what, uh, I've talked about in for any questions as well.

1826
01:40:03,381 --> 01:40:04,949
Uh, so in the A P C

1827
01:40:04,949 --> 01:40:12,323
about in for any questions as well. Uh, so in the A P C's year end report, The commission identified four main areas of concern, uh, that they would like to bring to the attention of the council.

1828
01:40:12,323 --> 01:40:14,225
Uh, so they are the city

1829
01:40:14,225 --> 01:40:25,370
of the council. Uh, so they are the city's fence Ordinance the prohibited vehicles parking ordinance, uh, communicating the requirement for a city permit after a county permit has been obtained, uh, and informational presentations on proposed

1830
01:40:25,370 --> 01:40:29,207
development projects.

1831
01:40:29,207 --> 01:40:31,276
So first is the fence Ordinance.

1832
01:40:31,276 --> 01:40:35,380
One topic that the A PC would like to raise to the council.

1833
01:40:35,380 --> 01:40:48,193
Uh, that you all consider clarifying ambiguities in the variance criteria for approving a chain link fences, uh, particularly the language concerning whether the fence would be consistent with the surrounding neighborhood, uh, to clarify the

1834
01:40:48,193 --> 01:40:48,426
city

1835
01:40:48,426 --> 01:40:51,729
surrounding neighborhood, uh, to clarify the city's fence Ordinance prohibits new chain link fence.

1836
01:40:51,729 --> 01:41:03,410
Uh, but certain variant criteria allow an applica applicant to request an exception to this The content of this is the main concern, Uh, surrounding point number one.

1837
01:41:03,141 --> 01:41:10,810
Uh, the second point regarding the fence ordinance is to consider whether current requirements regarding corner lots are overly restrictive.

1838
01:41:10,782 --> 01:41:11,490
Uh and I

1839
01:41:11,349 --> 01:41:19,157
lots are overly restrictive. Uh and I'm just going to pause here and say that on this point, uh, there is some difference of opinion between the A PC and the council.

1840
01:41:19,157 --> 01:41:22,527
Uh, and they probably go beyond the scope.

1841
01:41:22,527 --> 01:41:25,960
Staff my bad, uh, the a PC and staff.

1842
01:41:25,130 --> 01:41:30,268
Uh, they probably go beyond the scope of this discussion and what was presented in the handout.

1843
01:41:30,268 --> 01:41:30,568
Uh and I

1844
01:41:30,568 --> 01:41:31,903
presented in the handout. Uh and I've spoken with Mr young about this.

1845
01:41:31,903 --> 01:41:32,170
I

1846
01:41:32,170 --> 01:41:35,740
and I've spoken with Mr young about this. I'm prepared to discuss it tonight, but, uh, at your discretion it it

1847
01:41:35,740 --> 01:41:36,741
discuss it tonight, but, uh, at your discretion it it's been a long meeting.

1848
01:41:36,741 --> 01:41:36,774
I

1849
01:41:36,774 --> 01:41:41,546
your discretion it it's been a long meeting. I'm also more than willing to come back at a future date, uh, and go into staff

1850
01:41:41,546 --> 01:41:47,510
future date, uh, and go into staff's recommendation on this, So, uh, up to you.

1851
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:47,850
Moving forward.

1852
01:41:47,719 --> 01:41:52,824
We also have the prohibited vehicles parking ordinance uh or section 1 84 8.

1853
01:41:52,824 --> 01:41:52,824
The.

1854
01:41:52,824 --> 01:42:05,603
A PC recommends that the council considers revising the ordinance to clarify that cases may be referred, uh to the A PC for section 1 84-8 a as well as 1 84-8 B.

1855
01:42:05,603 --> 01:42:12,760
Uh, also consider amending the good clause criteria to indicate that criterion B applies to vehicles and trailers.

1856
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:26,858
Uh, and to add criterion for trailers that do not exceed the size restrictions under vehicles or for vehicles under 184 8 B one a document with track changes to the curtain ordinance was supplied in your Red folder recently.

1857
01:42:26,858 --> 01:42:38,803
Uh and this certainly goes beyond my scope of understanding, so I would welcome the stoic to, uh, come up after this and and add on to that if you have any questions Um Third.

1858
01:42:38,803 --> 01:42:47,612
The A PC would like to raise concerns regarding the communication that a city permit, uh, is also required after an applicant receives a county permit.

1859
01:42:47,612 --> 01:42:57,789
Uh, sometimes the county will approve a permit and fail to notify the applicant that the city also requires a permit, uh, which can lead to stop work orders and frustrated residents.

1860
01:42:57,789 --> 01:43:06,970
Uh, so a suggestion for this would be to consider developing a brief one page handout to give to people who come to the city asking questions about permits.

1861
01:43:06,531 --> 01:43:11,970
Um, that would include a brief description of the permit requirements and process.

1862
01:43:11,970 --> 01:43:25,183
Um so also, we could consider formally elevating this issue with deep high uh so that they can better train their staff to alert applicants that a city permit, uh, may be required in some projects.

1863
01:43:25,183 --> 01:43:25,216
And.

1864
01:43:25,216 --> 01:43:39,697
Then finally, Uh, the city is sometimes asked the A PC, uh, to host informational meetings to provide an opportunity for a community members, Uh, to learn the details of a proposed development project, uh, giving them a forum to voice their

1865
01:43:39,697 --> 01:43:40,398
suggestions and concerns.

1866
01:43:40,398 --> 01:43:45,370
Uh, for example, this happened recently with the Terrapin house in December 2020 Children

1867
01:43:45,370 --> 01:43:47,939
house in December 2020 Children's Guild preschool in February, 2021.

1868
01:43:47,939 --> 01:44:04,289
Uh, the vacant city on land on Rhode Island Avenue between Calvert and Knox roads in March 2021 and for the Icarus property at 7131 Baltimore Avenue, uh, in June, 2022 Uh, so the recommendation here is to consider adding this new role to the

1869
01:44:04,289 --> 01:44:04,689
A P C

1870
01:44:04,689 --> 01:44:10,161
here is to consider adding this new role to the A P C's official charge, uh, incorporating it further in the future.

1871
01:44:10,161 --> 01:44:10,194
So.

1872
01:44:10,194 --> 01:44:10,228
That

1873
01:44:10,228 --> 01:44:12,463
incorporating it further in the future. So. That's my Brief introduction to this.

1874
01:44:12,463 --> 01:44:13,665
Um, and at this point I

1875
01:44:13,665 --> 01:44:20,138
introduction to this. Um, and at this point I'd like to invite Miss stole up and add anything else or Questions and answers sta.

1876
01:44:20,138 --> 01:44:23,408
Welcome, Thanks for your patience.

1877
01:44:23,408 --> 01:44:23,741
Here.

1878
01:44:23,741 --> 01:44:24,750
Yes.

1879
01:44:24,750 --> 01:44:26,911
Absolutely I to your mic on, please.

1880
01:44:26,911 --> 01:44:29,247
The, uh Right.

1881
01:44:29,247 --> 01:44:30,682
Is this working now?

1882
01:44:30,682 --> 01:44:30,715
Oh?

1883
01:44:30,715 --> 01:44:30,782
Yes.

1884
01:44:30,782 --> 01:44:33,885
OK, thank you.

1885
01:44:33,885 --> 01:44:36,921
Um So In.

1886
01:44:36,921 --> 01:44:45,960
I believe that most of the, um Suggestions that we had were particularly items.

1887
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:47,999
23 and four are relatively, uh, straightforward.

1888
01:44:47,999 --> 01:44:48,466
Um and probably don

1889
01:44:48,466 --> 01:44:49,967
relatively, uh, straightforward. Um and probably don't need a lot of discussion.

1890
01:44:49,967 --> 01:44:52,337
Actually, I would like to say a little bit about Item three.

1891
01:44:52,337 --> 01:44:55,440
The requirement for a city permit.

1892
01:44:55,440 --> 01:45:01,145
Um, whether you want to change the a P CS charge, I think is is up to your judgment.

1893
01:45:01,145 --> 01:45:02,460
Just.

1894
01:45:02,460 --> 01:45:08,853
The suggestion on our part and, um, the prohibited vehicles parking ordinance.

1895
01:45:08,853 --> 01:45:11,890
We Try to, um, track changes.

1896
01:45:11,789 --> 01:45:14,625
Uh, some potential revisions to the ordinance that we think might handle it, Although.

1897
01:45:14,625 --> 01:45:18,563
Of course we would defer to your counsel.

1898
01:45:18,563 --> 01:45:22,660
Um and you know if they agree, or would do it in a different way.

1899
01:45:22,660 --> 01:45:22,967
Um, so I don

1900
01:45:22,967 --> 01:45:30,475
or would do it in a different way. Um, so I don't think we really need to discuss items two and four on the fence ordinance.

1901
01:45:30,475 --> 01:45:41,520
Um That has been an area where I think the A PC has found it, Uh, somewhat challenging at times, um I looked over the cases that we had during 2023.

1902
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:45,957
We had five cases for for, um, variances from the fence ordinance.

1903
01:45:45,957 --> 01:45:50,294
Um, all five of those cases involved variances for height.

1904
01:45:50,294 --> 01:45:53,931
One case was for chain link as well as height.

1905
01:45:53,931 --> 01:45:55,833
Um, and the chain link case.

1906
01:45:55,833 --> 01:45:59,360
You probably recall it was not that long ago.

1907
01:45:59,137 --> 01:46:04,742
Uh, we That was, uh, that was the only one of the five cases where we did not approve.

1908
01:46:04,742 --> 01:46:10,140
Um, and it was appealed to you and you all approved it.

1909
01:46:10,140 --> 01:46:15,386
Um During that appeal hearing.

1910
01:46:15,386 --> 01:46:20,324
Um The, uh So.

1911
01:46:20,324 --> 01:46:20,625
Mr.

1912
01:46:20,625 --> 01:46:29,333
Valentine referred to where, uh, staff and I think that A PC members have some disagreement.

1913
01:46:29,333 --> 01:46:33,838
Um, one is with the suggestion to do away with the city

1914
01:46:33,838 --> 01:46:35,406
the suggestion to do away with the city's fence ordinance.

1915
01:46:35,406 --> 01:46:45,650
Um And, uh, The, um Sorry.

1916
01:46:45,650 --> 01:46:45,750
This.

1917
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:58,896
The county ordinance is Has come closer to the city ordinance in some ways, particularly with the with the ban on chain link fences, although somebody still could appeal that, um and with front yard fences, it

1918
01:46:58,896 --> 01:47:02,700
appeal that, um and with front yard fences, it's a fairly small difference of the we our fence Ordinance, says.

1919
01:47:02,700 --> 01:47:04,680
3 FT.

1920
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:10,942
The County, says 4 Ft, Um And in two of the five cases that we had last year.

1921
01:47:10,942 --> 01:47:15,790
Um, we we reached a compromise with the applicant to go to instead of the 6 ft.

1922
01:47:15,790 --> 01:47:28,556
They were requesting to go to 4 ft, or, in another case, it was to go to 4.5 to 5 ft, but to but to set back that front yard fence at some distance from the property line.

1923
01:47:30,940 --> 01:47:30,940
Um So I wouldn

1924
01:47:30,261 --> 01:47:34,732
distance from the property line. Um So I wouldn't necessarily Speaking for myself have a problem with the 4.

1925
01:47:34,732 --> 01:47:35,660
FT versus 3 ft issue.

1926
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:36,634
I feel like that

1927
01:47:36,634 --> 01:47:38,236
problem with the 4. FT versus 3 ft issue. I feel like that's a relatively small issue.

1928
01:47:38,236 --> 01:47:46,744
I think the biggest difference between the county ordinance and the city ordinance has to do with the definition of front yard.

1929
01:47:46,744 --> 01:47:50,781
Um, for fences, and this particularly, is an issue for corner lots.

1930
01:47:50,781 --> 01:47:57,688
I believe all of the five cases that we heard on fences in 2023 were corner lots.

1931
01:47:57,688 --> 01:47:58,289
And.

1932
01:47:58,289 --> 01:48:06,297
The problem is, is that for a corner lot the property owner may feel like, um, the The Street.

1933
01:48:06,297 --> 01:48:08,266
That is not the street of their address.

1934
01:48:08,266 --> 01:48:16,207
The that that is not the street at the front door, but what is to them a side Side yard.

1935
01:48:16,207 --> 01:48:27,518
Um That can look that can feel like, um, a friend that is a considered a front yard under the city Fence Ordinance, and also it can feel like a front yard to the neighbors who are across the street.

1936
01:48:27,518 --> 01:48:28,152
And.

1937
01:48:28,152 --> 01:48:28,185
I.

1938
01:48:28,185 --> 01:48:28,452
Guess I

1939
01:48:28,452 --> 01:48:38,950
neighbors who are across the street. And. I. Guess I'm particularly sensitive to that, because before the city created its fence ordinance, our neighbor across the street put up a 6 ft stockade fence and, you know, right up to the property line,

1940
01:48:38,763 --> 01:48:54,779
and and we thought that was Uh, You know not a good look for the neighborhood it it reduces the degree of openness that I think this city fence ordinance is trying to Trying to encourage.

1941
01:48:54,779 --> 01:49:00,851
Um and, uh So To me the issue.

1942
01:49:00,851 --> 01:49:01,552
The question is, I.

1943
01:49:01,552 --> 01:49:18,769
Guess I would encourage you to think about not doing away with the city fence ordinance, possibly considering whether you want to change from 3 ft to 4 ft, or, you know, allow the a PC to You know, make that compromise when applicants ask for

1944
01:49:18,769 --> 01:49:24,750
it, Um, but also The corner Lot issue is a challenging one.

1945
01:49:24,750 --> 01:49:24,750
And.

1946
01:49:24,108 --> 01:49:30,181
Are there additional criteria that could be added to the fence ordinance that would allow for better decisions.

1947
01:49:30,181 --> 01:49:33,840
Um or allow for more compromise.

1948
01:49:33,818 --> 01:49:39,423
Um, such as if the The property is very close to a an industrial area.

1949
01:49:39,423 --> 01:49:44,929
That was an issue for two of the five cases where the property owner felt But.

1950
01:49:44,929 --> 01:49:57,308
Uh, you know that there was a safety issue because of a lot of People who are not neighborhood people were, you know, walking around and potentially into their property.

1951
01:49:57,308 --> 01:50:04,810
Um, another issue may be whether the street is a real street or a paper street or whether it

1952
01:50:04,148 --> 01:50:06,350
street or a paper street or whether it's an alley.

1953
01:50:06,350 --> 01:50:14,910
Um That, you know, may not deserve the same protection as as an actual, You know Ma Main Street.

1954
01:50:14,910 --> 01:50:17,940
Uh, Main neighborhood Street.

1955
01:50:17,940 --> 01:50:17,940
Um Whether.

1956
01:50:17,762 --> 01:50:25,503
There is anybody that is any any other neighbors who have homes across the street from where the fence would be?

1957
01:50:25,503 --> 01:50:25,770
Um again.

1958
01:50:25,770 --> 01:50:26,700
I think if it

1959
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:28,305
from where the fence would be? Um again. I think if it's a 4 ft fence we

1960
01:50:28,305 --> 01:50:28,973
Um again. I think if it's a 4 ft fence we're talking about that

1961
01:50:28,973 --> 01:50:31,208
ft fence we're talking about that's maybe not as big a deal, but if it

1962
01:50:31,208 --> 01:50:33,577
that's maybe not as big a deal, but if it's a 6 ft stockade fence.

1963
01:50:33,577 --> 01:50:39,830
You know having that across the street from your property what somebody else considers their backyard or their side yard.

1964
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:39,830
But to you?

1965
01:50:39,483 --> 01:50:39,550
It

1966
01:50:39,550 --> 01:50:40,885
their side yard. But to you? It's the street.

1967
01:50:40,885 --> 01:50:43,788
That your house is on.

1968
01:50:43,788 --> 01:50:45,890
Um So.

1969
01:50:45,890 --> 01:50:46,991
Those are just some ideas.

1970
01:50:46,991 --> 01:50:52,863
Um For you all to consider, but it it seems like if if you If.

1971
01:50:52,863 --> 01:50:56,734
You do decide to keep the city fence ordinance.

1972
01:50:56,734 --> 01:51:06,811
Um then it feels like it when it would be helpful to consider some additional criteria that Could that we could apply as the A PC.

1973
01:51:06,811 --> 01:51:13,184
Um And two Some communication with deep eye to try to get them to Uh, And.

1974
01:51:13,184 --> 01:51:13,484
It

1975
01:51:13,484 --> 01:51:24,929
with deep eye to try to get them to Uh, And. It's not just an issue for fence ordinances, the the DP problem of granting permits without notifying applicants that there is a city permit requirement or that there may be one Um I

1976
01:51:24,929 --> 01:51:26,931
permit requirement or that there may be one Um I've talked for a long time.

1977
01:51:26,931 --> 01:51:27,198
Um, I

1978
01:51:27,198 --> 01:51:34,438
there may be one Um I've talked for a long time. Um, I'd like to talk a little bit more about Item three about the DP issue, but maybe I should stop and Yeah.

1979
01:51:34,438 --> 01:51:35,172
It might be.

1980
01:51:35,172 --> 01:51:35,439
Yeah.

1981
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:39,376
Good idea to go one item A T a time.

1982
01:51:39,376 --> 01:51:43,848
Um, any comment on the Defense Ordinance amendment or changes?

1983
01:51:43,848 --> 01:51:44,815
Uh, I see, Mr Reg, Why.

1984
01:51:44,815 --> 01:51:45,416
Don

1985
01:51:45,416 --> 01:51:45,750
Ordinance amendment or changes? Uh, I see, Mr Reg, Why. Don't.

1986
01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:50,821
I Go this way I started with Mr Reagan, then Thanks and I.

1987
01:51:50,821 --> 01:51:55,593
I, uh, served on a number of years on the advisory Planning commission.

1988
01:51:55,593 --> 01:51:55,960
So I.

1989
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:56,160
I.

1990
01:51:56,160 --> 01:52:01,980
Remember the long conversations about fences and front and, uh, front front yards on corner lots and so forth.

1991
01:52:01,799 --> 01:52:07,204
Um, you know, I, I would generally lean in favor of retaining the city

1992
01:52:07,204 --> 01:52:08,439
would generally lean in favor of retaining the city's fence ordinance.

1993
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,341
Um, however, I also lean in favor and I.

1994
01:52:10,341 --> 01:52:11,410
I believe I

1995
01:52:11,142 --> 01:52:15,946
lean in favor and I. I believe I'm in a minority on this council, perhaps, uh, like against chain link fences.

1996
01:52:15,946 --> 01:52:15,980
I

1997
01:52:15,980 --> 01:52:22,787
council, perhaps, uh, like against chain link fences. I'm pleased that the that the county has, um, you know, Struck out relatively straitly in that direction.

1998
01:52:22,787 --> 01:52:25,923
Um, I just think that chain link fences, you know, don

1999
01:52:25,923 --> 01:52:35,633
think that chain link fences, you know, don't present the best image of of of our community and many years ago long before I was on council, this, uh, the city started moving down the road of of generally prohibiting them.

2000
01:52:35,633 --> 01:52:39,403
So so the biggest Argument for striking the city

2001
01:52:39,403 --> 01:52:47,770
so the biggest Argument for striking the city's fence ordinance and moving to the counties is that the county seems to be a little bit more rigid against chain link fences.

2002
01:52:47,770 --> 01:52:47,770
Although.

2003
01:52:47,111 --> 01:52:49,980
The city also generally prohibits them.

2004
01:52:49,980 --> 01:52:53,150
Um but, uh, apparently, we permit them when it

2005
01:52:53,150 --> 01:52:53,884
but, uh, apparently, we permit them when it's appealed.

2006
01:52:53,884 --> 01:52:59,190
So with the with going to the counties, Uh, ordinance.

2007
01:52:59,190 --> 01:53:09,767
Allow us to, um more consistently sort of prohibit building new chain link fences or replacing segments of chain link fences.

2008
01:53:09,767 --> 01:53:18,420
Uh, that are appended to existing Segments of channeling pencils, which is what I think The appeal was most recently.

2009
01:53:18,108 --> 01:53:24,248
Is that the advantage or are there any or would there be any other deferred to to your co?

2010
01:53:24,248 --> 01:53:25,115
If if we didn

2011
01:53:25,115 --> 01:53:36,493
other deferred to to your co? If if we didn't have a city ordinance, then if somebody if a property owner wanted to appeal the prohibition against a chain link with that Then go to some county body Or would it come to the a PC?

2012
01:53:36,493 --> 01:53:37,127
Or?

2013
01:53:37,127 --> 01:53:45,169
Would it not be a possibility to appeal.

2014
01:53:45,169 --> 01:53:45,836
Without Um, I

2015
01:53:45,836 --> 01:53:48,706
not be a possibility to appeal. Without Um, I'm Gonna make a guess, Um in terms of, uh but it

2016
01:53:48,706 --> 01:54:00,618
guess, Um in terms of, uh but it's gonna be a reasonable um Guess is that if the city did not have an ordinance, then the county ordinance would be the applicable.

2017
01:54:00,618 --> 01:54:07,324
Um The County, um, code and then whatever the requirements regarding appeal under county law.

2018
01:54:07,324 --> 01:54:13,163
Would be what I think would apply.

2019
01:54:13,163 --> 01:54:14,465
Right, But.

2020
01:54:14,465 --> 01:54:15,990
I.

2021
01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:15,990
Guess.

2022
01:54:15,132 --> 01:54:22,600
I think would apply. Right, But. I. Guess. I'm wondering because the we also hear cases for variances of, for example, Setback requirements.

2023
01:54:22,539 --> 01:54:24,108
Um and I think that

2024
01:54:24,108 --> 01:54:25,409
Setback requirements. Um and I think that's county code, not city.

2025
01:54:25,409 --> 01:54:29,613
Um, but it still comes to us the A PC.

2026
01:54:29,613 --> 01:54:36,553
But is that requirement listed in the county law itself.

2027
01:54:36,553 --> 01:54:36,654
Setbacks?

2028
01:54:36,654 --> 01:54:37,554
Yes, Yes, Mr Valentine.

2029
01:54:37,554 --> 01:54:54,471
So, I, I think I know a little bit into this, Um It is the county ordinance for things like Setback and and lot coverage and all that, But, um Or some some code when I think the the ABC was was formed, Uh, the county gave us the power of, uh,

2030
01:54:54,471 --> 01:54:56,540
review and variance.

2031
01:54:56,540 --> 01:54:56,840
Um I

2032
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:58,142
county gave us the power of, uh, review and variance. Um I'm not sure exactly how that worked.

2033
01:54:58,142 --> 01:55:08,352
But even though like the setbacks like our a county code, and not a city code, um through some charter legislation that was that was given to us, Um, so one ovarian is required.

2034
01:55:08,352 --> 01:55:10,540
The county um Let

2035
01:55:10,540 --> 01:55:17,861
so one ovarian is required. The county um Let's marry him, and I know that, uh, this application needs a variance and that goes to us at our discretion.

2036
01:55:17,861 --> 01:55:18,362
So So.

2037
01:55:18,362 --> 01:55:24,568
Potentially a similar arrangement could be made if the city wanted to and wanted to request that Well.

2038
01:55:24,568 --> 01:55:24,768
You

2039
01:55:24,768 --> 01:55:25,736
wanted to request that Well. You'd have to explore that.

2040
01:55:25,736 --> 01:55:27,710
You know outside of this meeting I.

2041
01:55:27,671 --> 01:55:28,500
I.

2042
01:55:28,500 --> 01:55:28,500
Guess.

2043
01:55:28,380 --> 01:55:32,242
I would see benefits to aligning the fence height of the county versus the city.

2044
01:55:32,242 --> 01:55:32,509
I

2045
01:55:32,509 --> 01:55:34,111
to aligning the fence height of the county versus the city. I'm Not sure, you know that.

2046
01:55:34,111 --> 01:55:41,485
I see much benefit for city residents to have to to go before the A PC for a four versus a A 3 ft High fence.

2047
01:55:41,485 --> 01:55:43,687
You know, I think, probably aligning.

2048
01:55:43,687 --> 01:55:45,890
Those would make sense.

2049
01:55:45,890 --> 01:55:45,890
But.

2050
01:55:45,122 --> 01:55:45,155
That

2051
01:55:45,155 --> 01:55:49,226
probably aligning. Those would make sense. But. That's agnostic about whether you know we could simply just amend the the city

2052
01:55:49,226 --> 01:55:52,463
we could simply just amend the the city's code section relative to fence heights and then have that area of alignment we wouldn

2053
01:55:52,463 --> 01:55:55,990
then have that area of alignment we wouldn't necessarily havh Do away with it entirely.

2054
01:55:55,766 --> 01:55:55,799
So.

2055
01:55:55,799 --> 01:55:56,660
So I.

2056
01:55:56,166 --> 01:55:57,735
Guess you know, Based on this discussion.

2057
01:55:57,735 --> 01:55:57,768
It

2058
01:55:57,768 --> 01:55:58,335
Guess you know, Based on this discussion. It's I.

2059
01:55:58,335 --> 01:55:58,635
I.

2060
01:55:58,635 --> 01:55:58,702
Guess.

2061
01:55:58,702 --> 01:55:58,969
I

2062
01:55:58,969 --> 01:56:00,938
discussion. It's I. I. Guess. I'm sort of agnostic about whether to retain the city

2063
01:56:00,938 --> 01:56:01,872
I'm sort of agnostic about whether to retain the city's fence Ordinance.

2064
01:56:01,872 --> 01:56:16,530
I would generally lean in favor of it, because that permits this body to be able to make, um, sort of other other modifications as we see fit in the future, much more easily, rather than sort of establishing a new, well, an old then new again,

2065
01:56:16,530 --> 01:56:20,324
Uh, body of the city code.

2066
01:56:20,324 --> 01:56:25,290
Um With regards to, uh Front yard fences on corner lots.

2067
01:56:25,290 --> 01:56:27,865
This is a really tricky one.

2068
01:56:27,865 --> 01:56:28,232
I.

2069
01:56:28,232 --> 01:56:31,735
I think you know, Miss Deli, you pointed out.

2070
01:56:31,735 --> 01:56:37,608
One particular instance in which the ABC heard evidence recently about a front yard fence.

2071
01:56:37,608 --> 01:56:44,882
Um, that was related to It sounds like pedestrian traffic from an adjoining business or from an joining industrial area.

2072
01:56:44,882 --> 01:56:45,249
Um I, I.

2073
01:56:45,249 --> 01:57:01,532
Guess you know it, it would be difficult for me even as a foreign, Uh, council member who is a former ABC official to really sort of blue sky circumstances in which I would find it acceptable and not acceptable, um, for a front yard fence on

2074
01:57:01,532 --> 01:57:08,572
Uh, at a house, which has two front yards, which is how the code sees corner.

2075
01:57:08,572 --> 01:57:08,605
Lots.

2076
01:57:08,605 --> 01:57:14,111
Um I could imagine situations in which we we would want to be permissive of them, But.

2077
01:57:14,111 --> 01:57:14,144
Um I.

2078
01:57:14,144 --> 01:57:26,156
I guess I, would I would appreciate a little bit more staff work about instances you know, in which we might consider modifications there rather than just sort of, uh, guessing at them.

2079
01:57:26,156 --> 01:57:26,423
So if I

2080
01:57:26,423 --> 01:57:28,125
just sort of, uh, guessing at them. So if I'm if I, um I.

2081
01:57:28,125 --> 01:57:28,759
I think you

2082
01:57:28,759 --> 01:57:43,207
them. So if I'm if I, um I. I think you're kind of touching on on the main issue that staff wants to raise with this, Um Is the definition of of considering any yard that abuts a street as a front yard.

2083
01:57:43,207 --> 01:57:43,507
Um If I

2084
01:57:43,507 --> 01:57:44,274
a street as a front yard. Um If I'm Being, perfectly honest I.

2085
01:57:44,274 --> 01:57:49,680
I kind of view that as a little bit Problematic.

2086
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:49,980
Um II.

2087
01:57:49,980 --> 01:57:59,220
I think we can sort of walk in our neighborhoods and Um Kind of See that not every yard that butts a street is, is a front yard.

2088
01:57:59,220 --> 01:58:02,926
There are backyards and and side yards and, um so I.

2089
01:58:02,926 --> 01:58:03,127
That

2090
01:58:03,127 --> 01:58:11,340
and side yards and, um so I. That's where staff is is kind of being thrown by this and and what we kind of want to, um Talk about like we are now to me.

2091
01:58:11,268 --> 01:58:25,916
It seems like the easiest modification to make would be to simply, um Change the city code to as Mr ASIC suggests sort of Make those corner lots where one of the two streets is a paper street or a public right of way.

2092
01:58:25,916 --> 01:58:31,880
That is not a not generally regarded as a street such as an alley.

2093
01:58:31,121 --> 01:58:35,492
Um, you know, not subject to the two front yard.

2094
01:58:35,492 --> 01:58:36,493
Perception which is again.

2095
01:58:36,493 --> 01:58:36,527
How.

2096
01:58:36,527 --> 01:58:43,330
How the city kind of sees, um Corner lots, but I guess you know, I

2097
01:58:43,330 --> 01:58:46,537
um Corner lots, but I guess you know, I'm also sensitive to you know my stoics.

2098
01:58:46,537 --> 01:58:57,614
Um suggestion that that the idea of Of having you know prohibitions for offenses in front yards, even on car lots is to keep kind of an an open feel to the neighborhood.

2099
01:58:57,614 --> 01:59:04,655
And, and that is something that is AAA feature that sort of dominates in our in our neighborhoods and I.

2100
01:59:04,655 --> 01:59:05,556
I would be reluctant to make there

2101
01:59:05,556 --> 01:59:19,269
would be reluctant to make there's a lot of corner lots and it would be reluctant to make AAA large policy change that would kind of open the door for for shutting that down without, um Really having a a better public process for for for doing

2102
01:59:19,269 --> 01:59:31,810
that, because I would imagine that if if if a lot of people were asked Hey on on your block, Would you be OK with a lot more fences, sort of being in sight lines as you go around corners, people would say no and generally I would not be in favor

2103
01:59:31,810 --> 01:59:31,815
of that.

2104
01:59:31,815 --> 01:59:32,115
I I, There

2105
01:59:32,115 --> 01:59:35,352
not be in favor of that. I I, There's a strong status quo bias.

2106
01:59:35,352 --> 01:59:35,385
Right.

2107
01:59:35,385 --> 01:59:39,156
Um, I have a couple Points along that line.

2108
01:59:39,156 --> 01:59:42,920
Um I think openness is is great.

2109
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:46,630
Um, certainly for those who do not want 6 ft tall fences on their own property they wouldn

2110
01:59:46,263 --> 01:59:47,197
their own property they wouldn't have to do that.

2111
01:59:47,197 --> 01:59:51,340
They could keep it to three or to four.

2112
01:59:51,340 --> 01:59:55,739
Um, I think I think the core question here is Uh, the property owner

2113
01:59:55,739 --> 01:59:58,275
core question here is Uh, the property owner's right to have privacy in their in their backyard.

2114
01:59:58,275 --> 02:00:04,281
I think as written right now, the the ordinance kind of puts that in jeopardy.

2115
02:00:04,281 --> 02:00:04,615
Um The neighborhood.

2116
02:00:04,615 --> 02:00:04,715
Yeah.

2117
02:00:04,715 --> 02:00:09,519
Maybe we can do it by different, uh, Different neighborhoods.

2118
02:00:09,519 --> 02:00:09,586
There

2119
02:00:09,586 --> 02:00:14,625
uh, Different neighborhoods. There's criteria that could be had rather than just getting away from the entire ordinance in general, But I.

2120
02:00:14,625 --> 02:00:18,495
I spoke to our some of our code officers today.

2121
02:00:18,495 --> 02:00:18,762
And.

2122
02:00:18,762 --> 02:00:26,103
Certainly if we continue this conversation Um, we would do a more formalized process, but I have spoken with them.

2123
02:00:26,103 --> 02:00:30,700
You know some of our code officers that have been here for many years.

2124
02:00:30,700 --> 02:00:30,700
Uh, they

2125
02:00:30,274 --> 02:00:34,177
officers that have been here for many years. Uh, they're hearing on the ground every day that a lot of residents are not satisfied.

2126
02:00:34,177 --> 02:00:38,915
Uh, with the current fence ordinance, um, feeling it

2127
02:00:38,915 --> 02:00:44,421
fence ordinance, um, feeling it's restricted, um, restrictive and gets in the way of some of the things they want to do on their yard.

2128
02:00:44,421 --> 02:00:46,560
Um The other thing I was going to say to that.

2129
02:00:46,423 --> 02:00:47,758
I have an example.

2130
02:00:47,758 --> 02:00:51,194
I kind of made this up.

2131
02:00:51,194 --> 02:00:51,261
Today.

2132
02:00:51,261 --> 02:00:51,528
It

2133
02:00:51,528 --> 02:00:51,528
kind of made this up. Today. It's.

2134
02:00:51,528 --> 02:00:51,595
It

2135
02:00:51,595 --> 02:00:52,763
kind of made this up. Today. It's. It's a generic example.

2136
02:00:52,763 --> 02:00:54,970
This is Avenue a avenue B.

2137
02:00:54,197 --> 02:00:54,231
Here

2138
02:00:54,231 --> 02:00:56,933
This is Avenue a avenue B. Here's the front of the House.

2139
02:00:56,933 --> 02:00:58,435
Um The Purple represents what the city would allow.

2140
02:00:58,435 --> 02:01:00,504
At 6 FT.

2141
02:01:00,504 --> 02:01:06,176
Uh, so in the back, not along the street and then this is not to scale but pretend This is a 25 ft setback.

2142
02:01:06,176 --> 02:01:09,279
Uh, the green is what the county allows at 6 FT.

2143
02:01:09,279 --> 02:01:09,313
And.

2144
02:01:09,313 --> 02:01:14,885
The yellow is what the city would have at 3 ft.

2145
02:01:14,885 --> 02:01:17,200
Um But I?

2146
02:01:17,200 --> 02:01:21,910
Oh, did you have a question?

2147
02:01:21,425 --> 02:01:23,994
Please go ahead continue under the current definition of the city

2148
02:01:23,994 --> 02:01:33,503
the current definition of the city's ordinance of having a front yard being any yard that abuts a street and the house being so Maybe this goes along to the question of we can put in more provisions about the orientation of the house and the

2149
02:01:33,503 --> 02:01:35,305
placement on the lot.

2150
02:01:35,305 --> 02:01:38,942
But I just struggle to define outside of our ordinance.

2151
02:01:38,942 --> 02:01:41,278
Whoops my screen went away.

2152
02:01:41,278 --> 02:01:46,917
Defining this area as a front Front yard.

2153
02:01:46,917 --> 02:01:47,840
Um But because it

2154
02:01:47,584 --> 02:01:48,652
area as a front Front yard. Um But because it's a Long Avenue B.

2155
02:01:48,652 --> 02:01:48,852
It

2156
02:01:48,852 --> 02:01:51,321
But because it's a Long Avenue B. It's classified as a front yard.

2157
02:01:51,321 --> 02:01:54,958
Thank you just the green yellow area.

2158
02:01:54,958 --> 02:01:58,328
Correct, but if we are restricting residents to only putting a fence right here that

2159
02:01:58,328 --> 02:02:05,680
only putting a fence right here that's taking away this portion of what they could use as their front and I believe this clearly gives a sight line for cars turning corners.

2160
02:02:05,268 --> 02:02:05,502
That

2161
02:02:05,502 --> 02:02:07,471
clearly gives a sight line for cars turning corners. That's plenty of space.

2162
02:02:07,471 --> 02:02:08,772
So the county definition.

2163
02:02:08,772 --> 02:02:13,944
Uh Allows you to put up to a 6 ft fence behind the front plane of the principal building.

2164
02:02:13,944 --> 02:02:14,244
Um, that

2165
02:02:14,244 --> 02:02:14,511
the front plane of the principal building. Um, that's what they

2166
02:02:14,511 --> 02:02:16,146
principal building. Um, that's what they've been doing now.

2167
02:02:16,146 --> 02:02:17,114
I think that that

2168
02:02:17,114 --> 02:02:21,451
what they've been doing now. I think that that's a reasonable step to take given your Discussion.

2169
02:02:21,451 --> 02:02:22,850
Thank you?

2170
02:02:22,119 --> 02:02:24,287
Um this is Malika and I.

2171
02:02:24,287 --> 02:02:28,725
Just want to add to the points being made here?

2172
02:02:28,725 --> 02:02:29,250
That.

2173
02:02:29,250 --> 02:02:42,139
I would advocate you know, putting into the ordinance the orientation of the house as well because in my neighborhood, uh, as Maria and Denise could attest to there are houses that have that are current lots, but they

2174
02:02:42,139 --> 02:02:52,682
are houses that have that are current lots, but they're angled in a man in a way that does not give the homeowner a true backyard and that impacts how they can enjoy their property.

2175
02:02:52,682 --> 02:02:56,386
Um, it impacts their ability to have privacy, especially if you have young Children and you

2176
02:02:56,386 --> 02:03:07,564
especially if you have young Children and you're worried about them running into Street because in our neighborhood, there are no sidewalks and that is a big concern for those with toddlers and, you know early walkers, um as well as just Plain

2177
02:03:07,564 --> 02:03:09,166
old Children who are playing and don

2178
02:03:09,166 --> 02:03:10,834
Plain old Children who are playing and don't pay attention to traffic.

2179
02:03:10,834 --> 02:03:23,647
Uh but I do think that having a fence Uh, amending the ordinance so that these homeowners can be able to get that approved faster, easier is needed.

2180
02:03:23,647 --> 02:03:28,840
Whether or not, we decide to align exactly to the wording of the county is up to you all.

2181
02:03:28,218 --> 02:03:47,671
But I Believe that we do need to Create a situation where these situations can be easier to deal with, and decisions can be made faster, and I think it would help the PC to be able to discuss them and take less time to do so if we have some

2182
02:03:47,671 --> 02:03:49,272
wording that guides us.

2183
02:03:49,272 --> 02:03:50,273
Thank you, Valentine.

2184
02:03:50,273 --> 02:03:50,307
Do.

2185
02:03:50,307 --> 02:03:52,342
You agree on that, Uh, what

2186
02:03:52,342 --> 02:03:54,744
you, Valentine. Do. You agree on that, Uh, what's your comment about?

2187
02:03:54,744 --> 02:03:54,778
I?

2188
02:03:54,778 --> 02:03:55,780
Do yeah, and something that

2189
02:03:55,712 --> 02:04:03,860
comment about? I? Do yeah, and something that's been told to me in my time here is When you get a lot of variants applications for a specific ordinance.

2190
02:04:03,860 --> 02:04:05,989
That might mean it is time to make some tweaks to the ordinance and I.

2191
02:04:05,989 --> 02:04:07,224
I think we

2192
02:04:07,224 --> 02:04:14,970
the ordinance and I. I think we're approaching that time here, Um, I like that we are on the same page make a comment on that.

2193
02:04:14,297 --> 02:04:14,631
I.

2194
02:04:14,631 --> 02:04:14,965
Guess.

2195
02:04:14,965 --> 02:04:15,650
The.

2196
02:04:15,650 --> 02:04:18,668
Question is what is a lot of variance requests?

2197
02:04:18,668 --> 02:04:22,839
Um, because we had Five.

2198
02:04:22,839 --> 02:04:24,740
Um last year, so I don

2199
02:04:24,740 --> 02:04:25,375
requests? Um, because we had Five. Um last year, so I don't know that That

2200
02:04:25,375 --> 02:04:30,947
Five. Um last year, so I don't know that That's a huge number and it was I think less than the number of cases we we.

2201
02:04:30,947 --> 02:04:35,519
We had other kinds of cases set back and lot coverage and parking.

2202
02:04:35,519 --> 02:04:36,860
Um I don

2203
02:04:36,860 --> 02:04:39,389
back and lot coverage and parking. Um I don't think the fence variance case is dominated our agendas.

2204
02:04:39,389 --> 02:04:40,724
Yeah.

2205
02:04:40,724 --> 02:04:40,757
Thankfully.

2206
02:04:40,757 --> 02:04:40,824
It didn

2207
02:04:40,824 --> 02:04:43,260
dominated our agendas. Yeah. Thankfully. It didn't come, but you know, you can guarantee that it may not come right.

2208
02:04:43,193 --> 02:04:45,562
I mean it may Well.

2209
02:04:45,562 --> 02:04:46,620
The question is whether we

2210
02:04:46,229 --> 02:04:47,230
mean it may Well. The question is whether we're approaching a point where we

2211
02:04:47,230 --> 02:04:53,169
is whether we're approaching a point where we're getting so many of these fence variants requests Yeah.

2212
02:04:53,169 --> 02:04:53,737
Good point.

2213
02:04:53,737 --> 02:04:53,837
So.

2214
02:04:53,837 --> 02:04:55,338
So I.

2215
02:04:55,338 --> 02:04:55,672
Think I.

2216
02:04:55,672 --> 02:05:03,790
I can, um, wrap up at least my preferences on on these four as being in specific to to to number three.

2217
02:05:03,790 --> 02:05:03,790
I think I

2218
02:05:03,713 --> 02:05:03,747
specific to to to number three. I think I'm.

2219
02:05:03,747 --> 02:05:03,780
I

2220
02:05:03,780 --> 02:05:08,318
specific to to to number three. I think I'm. I'm interested in aligning the fence height requirements of the county

2221
02:05:08,318 --> 02:05:09,920
aligning the fence height requirements of the county's site requirements.

2222
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:10,530
Retaining the city

2223
02:05:10,120 --> 02:05:10,854
site requirements. Retaining the city's, uh, fence.

2224
02:05:10,854 --> 02:05:10,887
I

2225
02:05:10,887 --> 02:05:14,257
site requirements. Retaining the city's, uh, fence. I'm sorry.

2226
02:05:14,257 --> 02:05:17,761
One, aligning that the fence height requirement with the county

2227
02:05:17,761 --> 02:05:18,940
fence height requirement with the county's pen he requirement.

2228
02:05:18,495 --> 02:05:18,728
Um I

2229
02:05:18,728 --> 02:05:18,728
the county's pen he requirement. Um I'm.

2230
02:05:18,728 --> 02:05:21,310
I would be interested in hearing.

2231
02:05:21,310 --> 02:05:34,578
Uh, recommendations from staff and or from a PC, Uh, about Corner lots because you know, I, I think, um Mr Valentine presented, you know a a fairly compelling hypothetical that that I feel like I

2232
02:05:34,578 --> 02:05:35,612
hypothetical that that I feel like I've seen and I

2233
02:05:35,612 --> 02:05:38,810
hypothetical that that I feel like I've seen and I've heard from and people in the in district three as well.

2234
02:05:38,748 --> 02:05:38,748
So.

2235
02:05:38,748 --> 02:05:40,830
I think my feeling is that there

2236
02:05:40,216 --> 02:05:51,610
think my feeling is that there's probably a compromise to be had here and perhaps orientation, uh of the house towards the street might might point us in a in a direction that would be, um, that would be helpful, uh, in that specific regard

2237
02:05:51,428 --> 02:05:51,628
again, it

2238
02:05:51,628 --> 02:05:51,861
be helpful, uh, in that specific regard again, it's It

2239
02:05:51,861 --> 02:06:05,542
specific regard again, it's It's hard for me as as a as an economist, not as a as an architect to really imagine what those might be, but, you know We had some options posed to us to to be able to react to that were specific to to to corner

2240
02:06:05,542 --> 02:06:05,575
lots.

2241
02:06:05,575 --> 02:06:11,140
I think that that could be very helpful, um, with regards to number three I.

2242
02:06:11,140 --> 02:06:14,217
I completely agree with the A PC that advertising and I.

2243
02:06:14,217 --> 02:06:19,923
I bet that something were to have consensus on and, um with regards to number four I.

2244
02:06:19,923 --> 02:06:22,592
I agree that that should probably be added to the A B C

2245
02:06:22,592 --> 02:06:25,950
agree that that should probably be added to the A B C's charge because I think that that

2246
02:06:25,950 --> 02:06:31,340
be added to the A B C's charge because I think that that's AAA valuable tool tool for this this body to have, you know, um as A resource for us.

2247
02:06:31,101 --> 02:06:31,668
Uh, I didn

2248
02:06:31,668 --> 02:06:35,271
as A resource for us. Uh, I didn't hear any discussion of of two and looking at the code, maybe just said it

2249
02:06:35,271 --> 02:06:39,750
of two and looking at the code, maybe just said it's late is causing me to cross my eyes a little bit on that, so I might need a little bit more discussion and thought before I

2250
02:06:39,643 --> 02:06:41,978
discussion and thought before I'm really into a pie on too.

2251
02:06:41,978 --> 02:06:42,450
So.

2252
02:06:42,450 --> 02:06:43,913
Those are thank you my feedback.

2253
02:06:43,913 --> 02:06:44,314
Thank You.

2254
02:06:44,314 --> 02:06:44,514
Um, Miss Mackie.

2255
02:06:44,514 --> 02:06:44,814
I

2256
02:06:44,814 --> 02:06:46,516
feedback. Thank You. Um, Miss Mackie. I'll Just be really quick.

2257
02:06:46,516 --> 02:06:46,549
II.

2258
02:06:46,549 --> 02:06:47,984
I thank you for bringing this to us.

2259
02:06:47,984 --> 02:06:48,510
I think it

2260
02:06:48,385 --> 02:06:57,930
bringing this to us. I think it's really important that we hear from the residents to, um and engage them in this, Um I like my colleague.

2261
02:06:57,127 --> 02:07:04,734
Um think if we can streamline the height You know be OK with, uh, doing the county and the city the same.

2262
02:07:04,734 --> 02:07:05,100
Um, I

2263
02:07:05,100 --> 02:07:07,637
the county and the city the same. Um, I'm, not a fan of Chang Link F.

2264
02:07:07,637 --> 02:07:10,840
I removed one from my backyard.

2265
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:14,440
Um they have evolved to be a little bit nicer than they once were.

2266
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:15,450
But I.

2267
02:07:15,450 --> 02:07:15,780
I, don

2268
02:07:15,245 --> 02:07:15,645
nicer than they once were. But I. I, don't I don

2269
02:07:15,645 --> 02:07:18,281
nicer than they once were. But I. I, don't I don't really prefer for a chain link fence.

2270
02:07:18,281 --> 02:07:19,490
Um so I

2271
02:07:19,490 --> 02:07:20,717
prefer for a chain link fence. Um so I'm I I don

2272
02:07:20,717 --> 02:07:22,752
prefer for a chain link fence. Um so I'm I I don't really care for that, but I think it

2273
02:07:22,752 --> 02:07:25,422
Um so I'm I I don't really care for that, but I think it's really important as my like a shared.

2274
02:07:25,422 --> 02:07:32,796
I live across the street from two corner lots and the one lady she really wanted to put a fence up.

2275
02:07:32,796 --> 02:07:33,960
But.

2276
02:07:33,960 --> 02:07:33,960
The County wouldn

2277
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:37,667
to put a fence up. But. The County wouldn't let her because of the the visibility, so she she didn

2278
02:07:37,667 --> 02:07:38,635
of the the visibility, so she she didn't and I think it

2279
02:07:38,635 --> 02:07:45,800
of the the visibility, so she she didn't and I think it's just really important that our our fence ordinance in the city is really meeting the needs of our people.

2280
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:47,677
And so we might really need to tweak it.

2281
02:07:47,677 --> 02:07:49,713
Um and, um And.

2282
02:07:49,713 --> 02:07:50,313
It

2283
02:07:50,313 --> 02:08:00,230
really need to tweak it. Um and, um And. It's probably not a conversation for tonight, but I do appreciate, um, the a PC and them serving and and I know that a lot of times, um When.

2284
02:08:00,230 --> 02:08:01,524
You get variances it, You know it

2285
02:08:01,524 --> 02:08:03,126
You get variances it, You know it's a lot of back and forth.

2286
02:08:03,126 --> 02:08:03,426
I didn

2287
02:08:03,426 --> 02:08:05,895
it's a lot of back and forth. I didn't have the pleasure of serving on that committee.

2288
02:08:05,895 --> 02:08:07,430
But, um I.

2289
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:11,601
You know, I just wanted to say that, um I think that it

2290
02:08:11,601 --> 02:08:22,512
to say that, um I think that it's really important that we listen to the residents to and our staff and and, um, our a PC committee because this is why we have committees so that they can give us good information, too.

2291
02:08:22,512 --> 02:08:22,612
Thank you.

2292
02:08:22,612 --> 02:08:24,814
Thank you.

2293
02:08:24,814 --> 02:08:26,950
Um Me.

2294
02:08:26,950 --> 02:08:27,250
I

2295
02:08:27,250 --> 02:08:28,852
too. Thank you. Thank you. Um Me. I'm not going to be labor.

2296
02:08:28,852 --> 02:08:30,153
Everyone has made excellent points.

2297
02:08:30,153 --> 02:08:32,455
Thank you for your leadership on the committee.

2298
02:08:32,455 --> 02:08:35,992
Um I, too, served on a PC many years ago.

2299
02:08:35,992 --> 02:08:41,970
Um I concur with my colleague Councilman rig on his comments and are just four representative LA for hers.

2300
02:08:41,731 --> 02:08:49,305
And at this thing I look forward to you bringing back for some information that we can do make a true consideration about how we

2301
02:08:49,305 --> 02:08:54,711
a true consideration about how we're gonna move forward so that looks like it needs more a little bit more work.

2302
02:08:54,711 --> 02:08:56,713
Thank you, Doctor.

2303
02:08:56,713 --> 02:08:59,150
Thank you, Mr Mayor And and thank you.

2304
02:08:59,150 --> 02:09:07,624
Um I have also served on the A PC and, um, wanted to just say that I agree with a number of things that have been said I.

2305
02:09:07,624 --> 02:09:21,905
Think that, Um, uh, working to, uh, bring our, uh, ordinance into, um Closely into what the, uh county ordinances regarding fence height is important.

2306
02:09:21,905 --> 02:09:24,174
Um, as far as the the chain link fence.

2307
02:09:24,174 --> 02:09:34,830
Um, I do I have asked for that to come back to council for a discussion after, uh, the discussion of the last case that came to us because I do believe that there?

2308
02:09:34,450 --> 02:09:39,556
Um uh, there needs to be some discussion about the, uh, the purpose of that.

2309
02:09:39,556 --> 02:09:45,461
The the the, um the idea of individuals having to replace fences that they already have.

2310
02:09:45,461 --> 02:09:47,960
Uh versus putting up new fences, I.

2311
02:09:47,397 --> 02:09:51,340
I, do not think that we should be putting up new Qing link fences.

2312
02:09:51,340 --> 02:09:55,710
However, I think there are some variations that need further discussion.

2313
02:09:55,104 --> 02:09:57,400
Um like was brought to us.

2314
02:09:57,106 --> 02:09:59,976
Um, Last time We had a discussion.

2315
02:09:59,976 --> 02:10:04,180
Um, I do believe that, um the information presentations are important.

2316
02:10:04,180 --> 02:10:06,950
Um, for the A PC to help host and coordinate.

2317
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:15,910
I think that there is great opportunity for residents to work through that committee, um, to learn about things that are happening.

2318
02:10:15,910 --> 02:10:15,910
Give input.

2319
02:10:15,758 --> 02:10:25,340
I think that that is a A the most appropriate committee for that to happen with, um, requirements for permits through DP.

2320
02:10:25,340 --> 02:10:28,271
I think having those discussions is very important.

2321
02:10:28,271 --> 02:10:30,540
Um, the communication is not happening.

2322
02:10:30,540 --> 02:10:35,780
Permits are, um people are getting permits, not talking with the city.

2323
02:10:35,144 --> 02:10:37,981
Um, I think that, um, that is important, too.

2324
02:10:37,981 --> 02:10:38,140
So.

2325
02:10:38,114 --> 02:10:39,820
Thank you thank you.

2326
02:10:39,820 --> 02:10:39,820
Anyone else?

2327
02:10:39,215 --> 02:10:41,170
Mr Hernandez?

2328
02:10:41,170 --> 02:10:41,384
So I.

2329
02:10:41,384 --> 02:10:42,919
Just wanna start off by saying that I

2330
02:10:42,919 --> 02:10:50,326
wanna start off by saying that I've never been a fan of any criteria that, uh, matches close to whether it fits the look of the neighborhood.

2331
02:10:50,326 --> 02:10:51,928
I think it

2332
02:10:51,928 --> 02:10:54,597
look of the neighborhood. I think it's a very largely subjective criteria.

2333
02:10:54,597 --> 02:10:54,864
And who

2334
02:10:54,864 --> 02:10:56,650
think it's a very largely subjective criteria. And who's to say that the look of a neighborhood can

2335
02:10:56,299 --> 02:10:59,202
to say that the look of a neighborhood can't change.

2336
02:10:59,202 --> 02:11:04,674
That being said, Uh, having spoken to residents, colleagues.

2337
02:11:04,674 --> 02:11:05,675
Uh I.

2338
02:11:05,675 --> 02:11:06,576
I

2339
02:11:06,576 --> 02:11:11,981
to residents, colleagues. Uh I. I'm in favor of supporting what the county has put out.

2340
02:11:11,981 --> 02:11:16,185
Uh, I I, recognizing that chain link fences are not approved by the county.

2341
02:11:16,185 --> 02:11:16,619
It definitely wouldn

2342
02:11:16,619 --> 02:11:29,666
fences are not approved by the county. It definitely wouldn't want, uh, approve them here, but, uh, it makes sense, uh, for the resources that we have right now, en forcing code, uh, at the city level to Enforcing what?

2343
02:11:29,666 --> 02:11:30,300
A and I.

2344
02:11:30,300 --> 02:11:30,967
Just.

2345
02:11:30,967 --> 02:11:41,277
Think of the applicants right if they go through the trouble of, uh, attempting to get a county permit, uh and and they get a a 4 ft fence approved, Then.

2346
02:11:41,277 --> 02:11:44,514
They come and they build it and they get cited when they

2347
02:11:44,514 --> 02:11:45,448
come and they build it and they get cited when they're here.

2348
02:11:45,448 --> 02:11:45,682
I.

2349
02:11:45,682 --> 02:11:45,715
Just.

2350
02:11:45,715 --> 02:11:51,721
Think of just the Hours of work and frustration that they had to go through.

2351
02:11:51,721 --> 02:11:57,894
Uh and if we can make the lives of residents easier, I definitely would.

2352
02:11:57,894 --> 02:11:59,228
Push for that, Um I.

2353
02:11:59,228 --> 02:12:00,463
I just don

2354
02:12:00,463 --> 02:12:01,970
would. Push for that, Um I. I just don't recognize your point, ma

2355
02:12:01,764 --> 02:12:01,831
just don't recognize your point, ma'am.

2356
02:12:01,831 --> 02:12:04,000
Uh, I understand that there

2357
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:07,870
ma'am. Uh, I understand that there's only been 55 cases brought forward.

2358
02:12:07,870 --> 02:12:12,410
I think the fact that there is a very variance.

2359
02:12:12,108 --> 02:12:16,312
Uh, process in general is a, uh, is a deterrence process.

2360
02:12:16,312 --> 02:12:17,880
Uh, for anyone to, uh I Think.

2361
02:12:17,880 --> 02:12:22,510
We should just consider that it could be seen as a deterrence process.

2362
02:12:22,418 --> 02:12:25,455
Excuse me, because if I knew that I had to go through that entire process, Uh, it

2363
02:12:25,455 --> 02:12:27,724
I knew that I had to go through that entire process, Uh, it's very likely that Me personally, I.

2364
02:12:27,724 --> 02:12:29,525
I would just not do it.

2365
02:12:29,525 --> 02:12:30,159
Uh I.

2366
02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:30,460
I don

2367
02:12:30,460 --> 02:12:36,650
I. I would just not do it. Uh I. I don't have a front, uh, facing fence, Um, but just trying to put myself in the, uh, in other people

2368
02:12:36,366 --> 02:12:40,269
trying to put myself in the, uh, in other people's footsteps with regard to the corner lot if, uh, if I

2369
02:12:40,269 --> 02:12:46,943
with regard to the corner lot if, uh, if I'm understanding this correctly, uh If, the 6 ft fence as it stands right now, uh, would be the purple.

2370
02:12:46,943 --> 02:12:47,543
What?

2371
02:12:47,543 --> 02:12:49,145
What happens to the space.

2372
02:12:49,145 --> 02:13:04,894
The surface area of the green and yellow So, the the service area of the green and yellow, Um So the Green represents where a county would would the where the county would allow the 6 FT fence to go so it would encompass that whole back space.

2373
02:13:04,894 --> 02:13:10,199
Uh, the yellow is where the city would require a 3 ft fence.

2374
02:13:10,199 --> 02:13:16,639
Um And, then that purple line going through the middle is is where the 6 ft fence could stop at a 25 ft setback.

2375
02:13:16,639 --> 02:13:16,973
But.

2376
02:13:16,973 --> 02:13:17,306
Theoretically.

2377
02:13:17,306 --> 02:13:22,145
Those folks would lose that space of usage correct for a for a rear yard.

2378
02:13:22,145 --> 02:13:22,779
Exactly, right?

2379
02:13:22,779 --> 02:13:22,845
Yeah?

2380
02:13:22,845 --> 02:13:27,650
Um, it it becomes sort of this awkward space in the front side yard that Couldn

2381
02:13:27,650 --> 02:13:29,919
space in the front side yard that Couldn't be used to its full potential.

2382
02:13:29,919 --> 02:13:30,219
So.

2383
02:13:30,219 --> 02:13:41,197
I walked around this weekend, uh, and looked at the various so obviously Hollywood Daniel Park, uh, has a lot of, uh, a lot of street corners, right?

2384
02:13:41,197 --> 02:13:46,602
Uh and I can certainly understand that the privacy concern of the, uh, of the fact that if you

2385
02:13:46,602 --> 02:13:48,400
the privacy concern of the, uh, of the fact that if you're on a corner lot you can

2386
02:13:48,271 --> 02:13:48,738
of the fact that if you're on a corner lot you can't build.

2387
02:13:48,738 --> 02:13:48,871
You can

2388
02:13:48,871 --> 02:13:50,473
corner lot you can't build. You can't really do much.

2389
02:13:50,473 --> 02:13:51,140
In a private.

2390
02:13:51,140 --> 02:13:52,750
I mean everyone

2391
02:13:52,750 --> 02:13:54,100
can't really do much. In a private. I mean everyone's entitled to their privacy.

2392
02:13:54,100 --> 02:13:54,430
So.

2393
02:13:54,310 --> 02:13:55,611
That was a concern.

2394
02:13:55,611 --> 02:14:02,652
But now understanding this a little bit better and seeing that they lose more space.

2395
02:14:02,652 --> 02:14:13,930
I definitely would fall back towards once we determine what the front facing side of a house is, Uh, I would support uh, The, green and yellow.

2396
02:14:13,930 --> 02:14:14,630
I

2397
02:14:14,630 --> 02:14:14,630
support uh, The, green and yellow. I'm Sorry.

2398
02:14:14,163 --> 02:14:14,297
I

2399
02:14:14,297 --> 02:14:23,720
support uh, The, green and yellow. I'm Sorry. I'm not saying this is eloquently as I want and for those houses that are orientated and a unique space as though they have acres.

2400
02:14:23,172 --> 02:14:27,610
Uh, in a just, You know a corner.

2401
02:14:27,610 --> 02:14:30,847
Uh III I defer to to the folks with a lot more experience in this.

2402
02:14:30,847 --> 02:14:31,114
It

2403
02:14:31,114 --> 02:14:32,810
the folks with a lot more experience in this. It's not an eloquent drawing.

2404
02:14:32,782 --> 02:14:32,815
So.

2405
02:14:32,815 --> 02:14:32,849
That

2406
02:14:32,849 --> 02:14:33,820
experience in this. It's not an eloquent drawing. So. That's OK.

2407
02:14:33,820 --> 02:14:35,840
Yes, but the ones that you know where they

2408
02:14:35,751 --> 02:14:36,619
Yes, but the ones that you know where they're rotating.

2409
02:14:36,619 --> 02:14:37,190
Yeah II.

2410
02:14:37,190 --> 02:14:37,860
I think we

2411
02:14:37,153 --> 02:14:43,759
where they're rotating. Yeah II. I think we've touched on a lot of compromise here and just to summarize that I think something we could consider rather than, uh, moving.

2412
02:14:43,759 --> 02:14:44,600
From.

2413
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:47,263
The Audience ordinance is considering the orientation of the house.

2414
02:14:47,263 --> 02:14:49,499
This House is oriented towards Avenue.

2415
02:14:49,499 --> 02:14:49,599
A.

2416
02:14:49,599 --> 02:14:50,166
That

2417
02:14:50,166 --> 02:14:51,467
oriented towards Avenue. A. That's clearly the front yard.

2418
02:14:51,467 --> 02:14:54,170
The backyard is is clearly what

2419
02:14:54,170 --> 02:14:59,800
The backyard is is clearly what's Highlighted, uh, if the house were flipped and oriented towards Avenue B, the situation is different.

2420
02:14:59,800 --> 02:15:02,245
So maybe we can coordinate that.

2421
02:15:02,245 --> 02:15:02,278
And.

2422
02:15:02,278 --> 02:15:15,525
I just like for my comments to be taken for whenever staff goes and revisits this, uh, hopefully for a further discussion as a council member Esters had asked for, uh, It.

2423
02:15:15,525 --> 02:15:19,595
We wanna make it as easy as if somebody wants to go through this.

2424
02:15:19,595 --> 02:15:20,863
It shouldn

2425
02:15:20,863 --> 02:15:23,799
somebody wants to go through this. It shouldn't be a laborious, burdensome to to build a fence.

2426
02:15:23,799 --> 02:15:24,100
It

2427
02:15:24,100 --> 02:15:24,433
laborious, burdensome to to build a fence. It's a.

2428
02:15:24,433 --> 02:15:24,467
It

2429
02:15:24,467 --> 02:15:39,248
laborious, burdensome to to build a fence. It's a. It's a deliberate decision to do this, uh, on behalf of whomever lives there, the resident Uh and I just personally think that just this is just me, uh, like adding additional requirements.

2430
02:15:39,248 --> 02:15:40,216
Council member.

2431
02:15:40,216 --> 02:15:41,884
Esther has always asked me to say why.

2432
02:15:41,884 --> 02:15:43,452
Why would we want to do this?

2433
02:15:43,452 --> 02:15:44,387
If?

2434
02:15:44,387 --> 02:15:46,622
We add an additional requirement.

2435
02:15:46,622 --> 02:15:47,690
What is the purpose.

2436
02:15:47,690 --> 02:15:49,659
Uh and I just I can

2437
02:15:49,659 --> 02:15:50,159
requirement. What is the purpose. Uh and I just I can't see.

2438
02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:50,826
Uh I can

2439
02:15:50,826 --> 02:15:56,332
purpose. Uh and I just I can't see. Uh I can't see myself supporting an additional requirement for, uh, pulling it back to the purple right?

2440
02:15:56,332 --> 02:15:59,902
And and that reminds me of of another point, I wanted to say, and I and I

2441
02:15:59,902 --> 02:16:14,682
another point, I wanted to say, and I and I'll be quick with this is in our variance criteria, one of one of the points is that, uh, Not allowing the variants would lead to like an exceptional uh or extraordinary circumstance.

2442
02:16:15,251 --> 02:16:16,252
Um And In.

2443
02:16:16,252 --> 02:16:16,285
The.

2444
02:16:16,285 --> 02:16:16,852
Past conversations we

2445
02:16:16,852 --> 02:16:26,950
Um And In. The. Past conversations we've had with these cases when they come up is that we are not calling a corner lot, an extraordinary or exceptional circumstance, but at the same time we are subjecting those property owners to extraordinary

2446
02:16:26,295 --> 02:16:29,265
and exceptional.

2447
02:16:29,265 --> 02:16:29,565
Restrictions.

2448
02:16:29,565 --> 02:16:30,199
And that doesn

2449
02:16:30,199 --> 02:16:30,633
exceptional. Restrictions. And that doesn't that doesn

2450
02:16:30,633 --> 02:16:32,168
exceptional. Restrictions. And that doesn't that doesn't quite seem to add up.

2451
02:16:32,168 --> 02:16:35,905
Um and it makes it a harder Real conflicting, right.

2452
02:16:35,905 --> 02:16:40,509
Thank you let me say you Yeah as I.

2453
02:16:40,509 --> 02:16:40,543
I

2454
02:16:40,543 --> 02:16:45,414
right. Thank you let me say you Yeah as I. I'm just wondering how deep is that yellow green space.

2455
02:16:45,414 --> 02:16:45,781
So it.

2456
02:16:45,781 --> 02:16:45,848
It

2457
02:16:45,848 --> 02:16:50,219
how deep is that yellow green space. So it. It's certainly not to scale but it represents 25.

2458
02:16:50,219 --> 02:16:50,319
Ft 25.

2459
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:50,586
Ft.

2460
02:16:50,586 --> 02:16:51,200
Wow.

2461
02:16:51,200 --> 02:16:51,530
Yes.

2462
02:16:51,530 --> 02:16:53,623
Um I mean, I.

2463
02:16:53,623 --> 02:16:53,990
I I, I.

2464
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:54,290
I

2465
02:16:54,290 --> 02:16:54,924
25. Ft 25. Ft. Wow. Yes. Um I mean, I. I I, I. I'm not I

2466
02:16:54,924 --> 02:16:56,592
25. Ft 25. Ft. Wow. Yes. Um I mean, I. I I, I. I'm not I'm not agreeing with that.

2467
02:16:56,592 --> 02:16:56,626
So.

2468
02:16:56,626 --> 02:17:00,129
Um I mean I can see having the fence.

2469
02:17:00,129 --> 02:17:10,806
Maybe, um, up to a certain right away space so that people park on that side of the street can get in and out of the cars, the car doors, But Beyond that, um, I.

2470
02:17:10,806 --> 02:17:11,474
I just don

2471
02:17:11,474 --> 02:17:19,150
But Beyond that, um, I. I just don't see the necessity for that, unless it hinders the site of line for for safety for traffic.

2472
02:17:19,150 --> 02:17:22,180
Um, but, yeah, yeah.

2473
02:17:22,180 --> 02:17:26,918
Thank you, Ms.

2474
02:17:28,624 --> 02:17:28,691
Stale.

2475
02:17:28,691 --> 02:17:31,193
Thank you.

2476
02:17:31,193 --> 02:17:32,862
Um, so I have a few points.

2477
02:17:32,862 --> 02:17:32,895
I

2478
02:17:32,895 --> 02:17:35,765
Um, so I have a few points. I'll also try to be quick.

2479
02:17:35,765 --> 02:17:54,216
Um, one is, um for you to consider that there are many, many corner lots in our neighborhoods, and so if you change the requirement with regard to a corner lot that potentially has Essentially large impact on potentially allowing a lot of 6

2480
02:17:54,216 --> 02:17:54,483
ft.

2481
02:17:54,483 --> 02:17:57,386
High fences, Um, where they are not currently allowed.

2482
02:17:57,386 --> 02:18:02,580
And, um What I do to my property doesn

2483
02:18:02,291 --> 02:18:03,893
currently allowed. And, um What I do to my property doesn't just affect me, right?

2484
02:18:03,893 --> 02:18:09,198
It it it it affects you if you live across the street from me or next to me.

2485
02:18:09,198 --> 02:18:09,265
And.

2486
02:18:09,265 --> 02:18:10,132
Um, so that

2487
02:18:10,132 --> 02:18:11,801
across the street from me or next to me. And. Um, so that's why we have zoning.

2488
02:18:11,801 --> 02:18:13,350
That

2489
02:18:13,350 --> 02:18:14,637
next to me. And. Um, so that's why we have zoning. That's Why.

2490
02:18:14,637 --> 02:18:15,371
We have requirements.

2491
02:18:15,371 --> 02:18:19,608
Um, because otherwise we just let everybody do whatever they want.

2492
02:18:19,608 --> 02:18:34,900
Um, So although freedom is a really important value, I think we also have restrictions on our freedom as property owners that are designed to serve the good of the community and where to draw those lines and how to define those restrictions

2493
02:18:34,900 --> 02:18:35,910
are, of course, what?

2494
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:35,910
What makes it difficult.

2495
02:18:35,558 --> 02:18:35,658
That

2496
02:18:35,658 --> 02:18:38,561
of course, what? What makes it difficult. That's Why you guys get paid the big bucks.

2497
02:18:38,561 --> 02:18:41,970
Um but, uh Um I.

2498
02:18:41,430 --> 02:18:56,450
I just wanted to emphasize that Changing changing that could potentially have really a big impact on how much openness there is in our neighborhoods and how many tall fences I grew up in a town in California, where pretty much everybody had

2499
02:18:56,278 --> 02:18:58,481
6 ft fences.

2500
02:18:58,481 --> 02:18:58,581
And.

2501
02:18:58,581 --> 02:19:11,761
I really loved it when I came back east and found there was more of this feeling of openness and you could see and it just felt so much nicer to me so much better.

2502
02:19:11,761 --> 02:19:14,630
Um On, uh, a couple other things on Eric

2503
02:19:14,530 --> 02:19:14,697
me so much better. Um On, uh, a couple other things on Eric's diagram.

2504
02:19:14,697 --> 02:19:27,900
I think Um You know, I, I believe under the county ordinance, they could build that 6 ft fence, actually, all the way to the front plane of the house so it could have been.

2505
02:19:27,443 --> 02:19:32,882
You know it could be Um, you know, a more extensive So.

2506
02:19:32,882 --> 02:19:33,482
The.

2507
02:19:33,482 --> 02:19:36,752
The Green line could come further down right?

2508
02:19:36,752 --> 02:19:36,786
So.

2509
02:19:36,786 --> 02:19:42,910
The ordinance is saying behind the front plane of the building and I suppose you could you could put it in the middle.

2510
02:19:42,124 --> 02:19:45,661
Sure you could bring it all the way down to the front plane.

2511
02:19:45,661 --> 02:19:49,532
Behind the front plane, so not not flush with the front.

2512
02:19:49,532 --> 02:19:49,565
So.

2513
02:19:49,565 --> 02:19:49,832
We

2514
02:19:49,832 --> 02:19:50,433
front plane, so not not flush with the front. So. We've allowed it.

2515
02:19:50,433 --> 02:19:52,835
I think other cases.

2516
02:19:52,835 --> 02:19:53,469
Well.

2517
02:19:53,469 --> 02:19:53,536
Maybe.

2518
02:19:53,536 --> 02:19:56,472
Maybe then our requirement could be Something like this.

2519
02:19:56,472 --> 02:19:59,341
Just as a compromise.

2520
02:19:59,341 --> 02:19:59,375
Good.

2521
02:19:59,375 --> 02:20:02,244
Um do you think, uh, I?

2522
02:20:02,244 --> 02:20:02,678
I know there

2523
02:20:02,678 --> 02:20:04,547
Good. Um do you think, uh, I? I know there's more discussion needs to happen right?

2524
02:20:04,547 --> 02:20:07,883
And looks like looks like you got quite a few ideas.

2525
02:20:07,883 --> 02:20:08,500
Mr Mayor.

2526
02:20:08,500 --> 02:20:10,850
Yes, please.

2527
02:20:10,850 --> 02:20:10,986
Oh.

2528
02:20:10,986 --> 02:20:12,288
I didn

2529
02:20:12,288 --> 02:20:14,223
quite a few ideas. Mr Mayor. Yes, please. Oh. I didn't say that

2530
02:20:14,223 --> 02:20:14,924
Yes, please. Oh. I didn't say that's OK.

2531
02:20:14,924 --> 02:20:15,991
Um whatever way.

2532
02:20:15,991 --> 02:20:19,128
Clearly, yes, more discussion, I think is needed.

2533
02:20:19,128 --> 02:20:19,395
But.

2534
02:20:19,395 --> 02:20:21,931
Whatever Way we go.

2535
02:20:21,931 --> 02:20:23,232
I think the it

2536
02:20:23,232 --> 02:20:29,939
Whatever Way we go. I think the it's imperative that the result be very clear like the language be very clear.

2537
02:20:29,939 --> 02:20:30,739
Because, Um I.

2538
02:20:30,739 --> 02:20:35,177
Um I love getting into detailed documents and some of the stuff just makes my eyes cross and I

2539
02:20:35,177 --> 02:20:36,946
just makes my eyes cross and I'm like like, Wait a minute.

2540
02:20:36,946 --> 02:20:37,146
What?

2541
02:20:37,146 --> 02:20:40,490
Wait, They said, you have to do it this way, but only if it

2542
02:20:40,490 --> 02:20:52,628
to do it this way, but only if it's Or this way And, you know, I think it needs to be very straightforward and as much as we can coincide with the county, um, ordinance, I think that would would streamline things as well?

2543
02:20:52,628 --> 02:20:54,196
Because, Then that

2544
02:20:54,196 --> 02:20:56,899
would would streamline things as well? Because, Then that's another layer of complication.

2545
02:20:56,899 --> 02:20:58,400
Um, for residents, and, um, it

2546
02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:00,703
Um, for residents, and, um, it's frustrating people get really people are already frustrated when they

2547
02:21:00,703 --> 02:21:01,370
really people are already frustrated when they're told they can

2548
02:21:01,370 --> 02:21:04,206
frustrated when they're told they can't do something that they have in their mind that they wanna do.

2549
02:21:04,206 --> 02:21:04,573
And.

2550
02:21:04,573 --> 02:21:10,713
Then if they find that one set of of rules tells them to do it one way and the other tells them It another way.

2551
02:21:10,713 --> 02:21:10,746
It

2552
02:21:10,746 --> 02:21:11,347
way and the other tells them It another way. It's It

2553
02:21:11,347 --> 02:21:12,140
way and the other tells them It another way. It's It's just frustrating.

2554
02:21:12,140 --> 02:21:12,810
I.

2555
02:21:12,810 --> 02:21:17,860
Think so the more we can streamline things and make it Clearly.

2556
02:21:17,720 --> 02:21:35,905
Understandable what the rules are, I think the better off will be as far as the fence ordinance and, um and I am inclined to, um if if people have existing, um, chain link fence on their property and need to connect it to like, create an enclosure.

2557
02:21:35,905 --> 02:21:35,971
I I

2558
02:21:35,971 --> 02:21:37,840
need to connect it to like, create an enclosure. I I'm inclined to allow them to do that.

2559
02:21:37,840 --> 02:21:38,140
And.

2560
02:21:38,140 --> 02:21:42,440
If the problem, You know we we did hear complaints about you know, I don

2561
02:21:42,344 --> 02:21:45,247
know we we did hear complaints about you know, I don't like the looks of chain link fences.

2562
02:21:45,247 --> 02:21:45,881
They, get rusty.

2563
02:21:45,881 --> 02:21:48,150
They get, you know yucky.

2564
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:48,183
They.

2565
02:21:48,183 --> 02:21:48,417
Don

2566
02:21:48,417 --> 02:21:49,785
They, get rusty. They get, you know yucky. They. Don't look good.

2567
02:21:49,785 --> 02:21:50,986
Um, if we don

2568
02:21:50,986 --> 02:22:03,666
know yucky. They. Don't look good. Um, if we don't have, um, rules in place that require people to, you know, keep them well maintained, you know, paint them silver if they start to look bad, you know, certainly we could implement some of that

2569
02:22:03,666 --> 02:22:11,400
in cases such as that where people have Chain link fence to make it, you know, less bothersome to others.

2570
02:22:11,106 --> 02:22:11,674
Um, and then I

2571
02:22:11,674 --> 02:22:11,707
less bothersome to others. Um, and then I'm.

2572
02:22:11,707 --> 02:22:11,740
I

2573
02:22:11,740 --> 02:22:14,910
less bothersome to others. Um, and then I'm. I'm in line with everyone else with the other comments.

2574
02:22:14,910 --> 02:22:26,822
Thank you speaking of the clarity, I think it might be a good idea if we if we could put out something something like that where you have created, you know, in a more formal way and in our website somewhere, II, I don

2575
02:22:26,822 --> 02:22:27,189
more formal way and in our website somewhere, II, I don't I understand?

2576
02:22:27,189 --> 02:22:31,930
It can be put in that code, but, uh, we could probably you don

2577
02:22:31,927 --> 02:22:34,663
that code, but, uh, we could probably you don't like my drawing skills.

2578
02:22:34,663 --> 02:22:36,565
It it, it can make it even better.

2579
02:22:36,565 --> 02:22:36,599
I.

2580
02:22:36,599 --> 02:22:36,632
It

2581
02:22:36,632 --> 02:22:38,934
drawing skills. It it, it can make it even better. I. It's I actually like the colours.

2582
02:22:38,934 --> 02:22:43,439
I went to school for that.

2583
02:22:43,439 --> 02:22:44,730
Thank you?

2584
02:22:44,106 --> 02:22:44,740
It

2585
02:22:44,740 --> 02:22:47,420
went to school for that. Thank you? It's a complicated issue, and, um, you know, there

2586
02:22:47,276 --> 02:22:48,577
you? It's a complicated issue, and, um, you know, there's more I could say, but we

2587
02:22:48,577 --> 02:22:50,846
and, um, you know, there's more I could say, but we've taken a lot of the council

2588
02:22:50,846 --> 02:22:52,181
I could say, but we've taken a lot of the council's time tonight already.

2589
02:22:52,181 --> 02:22:59,955
I think, um, the E PC would appreciate being included in in future discussions that

2590
02:22:59,955 --> 02:23:10,466
included in in future discussions that's acceptable to you, Um You know they the the is one of the issues in in our, uh, in our Recommendations.

2591
02:23:10,466 --> 02:23:12,935
Document had, uh, referred to consistent with the neighborhood.

2592
02:23:12,935 --> 02:23:13,335
And.

2593
02:23:13,335 --> 02:23:13,669
How.

2594
02:23:13,669 --> 02:23:14,336
Do, you define neighborhood.

2595
02:23:14,336 --> 02:23:15,604
And.

2596
02:23:15,604 --> 02:23:15,938
How.

2597
02:23:15,938 --> 02:23:16,271
Do.

2598
02:23:16,271 --> 02:23:16,572
You.

2599
02:23:16,572 --> 02:23:17,272
Define consistent.

2600
02:23:17,272 --> 02:23:17,573
Um I won

2601
02:23:17,573 --> 02:23:20,442
Do. You. Define consistent. Um I won't even try to open that one up tonight because it

2602
02:23:20,442 --> 02:23:22,678
I won't even try to open that one up tonight because it's a complicated one, too.

2603
02:23:22,678 --> 02:23:26,215
Um uh, So In short.

2604
02:23:26,215 --> 02:23:30,619
Thank you very much for your for allowing this opportunity.

2605
02:23:30,619 --> 02:23:31,654
Thank you everything you do, and I

2606
02:23:31,654 --> 02:23:35,991
opportunity. Thank you everything you do, and I'm sure staff will be in touch with you as you bring it forward.

2607
02:23:35,991 --> 02:23:39,940
I think we will be Thank you.

2608
02:23:39,228 --> 02:23:39,461
Here.

2609
02:23:39,461 --> 02:23:39,762
Just.

2610
02:23:39,762 --> 02:23:39,795
Just.

2611
02:23:39,795 --> 02:23:40,950
One small comment.

2612
02:23:40,429 --> 02:23:41,997
Uh, can we get a copy of that Because it

2613
02:23:41,997 --> 02:23:44,566
comment. Uh, can we get a copy of that Because it's very hard to read from here.

2614
02:23:44,566 --> 02:23:53,709
Thank you that that you wanted because you like the colors and and I can sign it, too, with your autograph.

2615
02:23:53,709 --> 02:23:54,977
Thank you so much.

2616
02:23:54,977 --> 02:23:57,790
Thank you all for everything you do.

2617
02:23:57,790 --> 02:23:59,415
Thank you.

2618
02:23:59,415 --> 02:24:00,182
All.

2619
02:24:00,182 --> 02:24:05,854
Right, So we have another Uh, group.

2620
02:24:05,854 --> 02:24:07,220
Uh, the noise control world.

2621
02:24:07,220 --> 02:24:10,590
Advisory group.

2622
02:24:10,590 --> 02:24:13,195
Thank you, Mr Stroller.

2623
02:24:13,195 --> 02:24:13,228
And.

2624
02:24:13,228 --> 02:24:19,902
Thank you, Mr Coker.

2625
02:24:19,902 --> 02:24:20,869
I think I.

2626
02:24:20,869 --> 02:24:21,203
Think.

2627
02:24:21,203 --> 02:24:21,303
We.

2628
02:24:21,303 --> 02:24:21,870
Have a copy copy.

2629
02:24:21,870 --> 02:24:25,441
All of us Have a copy?

2630
02:24:25,441 --> 02:24:27,910
Yes.

2631
02:24:27,910 --> 02:24:28,100
Yeah.

2632
02:24:28,100 --> 02:24:28,430
The.

2633
02:24:28,110 --> 02:24:31,146
Same thing there.

2634
02:24:31,146 --> 02:24:31,213
Yeah.

2635
02:24:31,213 --> 02:24:31,380
Mister Cocker.

2636
02:24:31,380 --> 02:24:35,551
Thank you.

2637
02:24:35,551 --> 02:24:41,323
Good Evening Mayor Mayor Pro TEM and the City Council members.

2638
02:24:41,323 --> 02:24:41,990
Uh I

2639
02:24:41,990 --> 02:24:44,493
Mayor Mayor Pro TEM and the City Council members. Uh I'm Jitendra Kukar Public Services Director, I

2640
02:24:44,493 --> 02:24:48,297
Jitendra Kukar Public Services Director, I'm here today.

2641
02:24:48,297 --> 02:24:54,236
To discuss about the noise control board, and we do have our new chair Mark Schroeder.

2642
02:24:54,236 --> 02:24:58,474
Here as well as the Co-chair Matthew saw here and I

2643
02:24:58,474 --> 02:25:03,746
well as the Co-chair Matthew saw here and I'm not sure who the other members are if they are joining by virtual means.

2644
02:25:03,746 --> 02:25:03,912
I

2645
02:25:03,912 --> 02:25:07,916
are joining by virtual means. I'm not sure about it.

2646
02:25:07,916 --> 02:25:12,870
But, we We are here to fulfill.

2647
02:25:12,221 --> 02:25:13,489
Uh So.

2648
02:25:13,489 --> 02:25:14,220
Yeah, Miss.

2649
02:25:14,220 --> 02:25:17,659
Miss Bela is that, uh, Susie ball?

2650
02:25:17,659 --> 02:25:17,893
Yeah.

2651
02:25:17,893 --> 02:25:18,527
Welcome, Suzie.

2652
02:25:18,527 --> 02:25:19,128
If.

2653
02:25:19,128 --> 02:25:22,640
You are there joining us virtually Uh uh.

2654
02:25:22,164 --> 02:25:48,824
We, uh We are here tonight to meet the task, which was given to us I believe in the month of January to come back to the council, and, uh, we were invited to join today here and see if we could discuss the charges that the board has in the present

2655
02:25:48,824 --> 02:26:05,941
ordinance, which is 138 of the city code, and, uh, The Board also would like to present their report, a copy of which has already been provided in the package.

2656
02:26:05,941 --> 02:26:31,500
Uh, we met recently on March 14 last week Thursday and, uh, the purpose of that meeting was to prep the board as well as us to present our point of view to the council, and, uh, The attachments provided or the annual reports from 2017 through

2657
02:26:31,500 --> 02:26:40,642
2023, and we have also provided a standard operating procedures for unruly gathering and nuisance.

2658
02:26:40,642 --> 02:26:43,745
Uh uh, Ordinance requirements.

2659
02:26:43,745 --> 02:27:04,566
Having said that I I think I would like to give the opportunity to the board chair and co-chair to express their point of view, and they can provide more details that may directly concerns the question that the mayor Through time May or the

2660
02:27:04,566 --> 02:27:12,674
council members may have of them or of me being the staff liaison for this particular board.

2661
02:27:12,674 --> 02:27:13,800
Thank you, Mr.

2662
02:27:13,275 --> 02:27:16,178
So, Can you please turn on the mic.

2663
02:27:16,178 --> 02:27:16,245
The.

2664
02:27:16,245 --> 02:27:17,713
Uh, the right button?

2665
02:27:17,713 --> 02:27:17,746
Yeah.

2666
02:27:17,746 --> 02:27:19,470
The right one.

2667
02:27:19,470 --> 02:27:23,552
That one.

2668
02:27:23,552 --> 02:27:23,886
Welcome.

2669
02:27:23,886 --> 02:27:26,955
Thank you, Mayor, Mayor Kabir Members of council.

2670
02:27:26,955 --> 02:27:27,890
Good evening.

2671
02:27:27,890 --> 02:27:28,857
My name is Mark Schroeder.

2672
02:27:28,857 --> 02:27:31,760
I live at 4909 Muskogee Street.

2673
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:32,270
And.

2674
02:27:32,270 --> 02:27:37,990
I am the new chairman of the Noise Control board, which may be a surprise to you.

2675
02:27:37,132 --> 02:27:43,672
Um, at our last meeting, Alan Stillwell resigned as chair because he has moved out of college park.

2676
02:27:43,672 --> 02:27:49,177
Alan served the city on the noise control board for 27 years.

2677
02:27:49,177 --> 02:27:49,511
Wow.

2678
02:27:49,511 --> 02:28:02,457
These comments reflect the consensus of the board members before his resignation, Um Alan warned us not to assume that all members of the council would be familiar with the noise ordinance.

2679
02:28:02,457 --> 02:28:06,940
Chapter 138 of the city code.

2680
02:28:06,940 --> 02:28:06,940
Uh, for brevity.

2681
02:28:06,695 --> 02:28:13,502
Residents of the city who are affected by noise may have recourse to two different sources of redress.

2682
02:28:13,502 --> 02:28:17,806
First in real time they can call the public service department.

2683
02:28:17,806 --> 02:28:18,607
And a noise officer.

2684
02:28:18,607 --> 02:28:21,900
If one is on duty.

2685
02:28:21,900 --> 02:28:25,800
Can come measure any noise and decibels from the property in question.

2686
02:28:25,113 --> 02:28:31,386
An issue of violation of the noise exceeds the objective standard in the code.

2687
02:28:31,386 --> 02:28:33,322
Second After the fact.

2688
02:28:33,322 --> 02:28:39,328
They can ask the public services director to call a hearing of the Noise control board.

2689
02:28:39,328 --> 02:28:42,197
To make an inherently subjective determination.

2690
02:28:42,197 --> 02:28:47,690
About whether the owners and occupants of the property in question have violated the complainant

2691
02:28:47,269 --> 02:28:51,337
question have violated the complainant's right to quiet enjoyment of their own property.

2692
02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:54,176
To begin with the positives.

2693
02:28:54,176 --> 02:29:00,716
We, the members of the board believe there is very good compliance with the noise ordinance by respondents.

2694
02:29:00,716 --> 02:29:03,652
After the hearing.

2695
02:29:03,652 --> 02:29:06,221
Respondents do not want to come before the board.

2696
02:29:06,221 --> 02:29:09,191
They do not want to pay the fines levied by the board.

2697
02:29:09,191 --> 02:29:15,731
They do not want to hear complaints about their allegedly irresponsible and harmful behavior from their neighbors.

2698
02:29:15,731 --> 02:29:20,680
Once is enough.

2699
02:29:20,680 --> 02:29:24,206
Unfortunately, We believe that the cases that come to us may be the tip of the iceberg.

2700
02:29:24,206 --> 02:29:29,111
And there a RE five reasons for this.

2701
02:29:29,111 --> 02:29:31,613
One noise is not covered by the ordinance.

2702
02:29:31,613 --> 02:29:38,253
The city, and therefore the board has no jurisdiction over noise created by state entities.

2703
02:29:38,253 --> 02:29:38,653
Is.

2704
02:29:38,653 --> 02:29:40,555
This may include the university.

2705
02:29:40,555 --> 02:29:45,127
And the contractors working on Route, one for the highway authority.

2706
02:29:45,127 --> 02:29:50,650
These are above our pay grade.

2707
02:29:50,650 --> 02:29:50,650
Two.

2708
02:29:50,365 --> 02:29:55,737
Noises from a moving vehicle not registered to a college park address.

2709
02:29:55,737 --> 02:30:00,609
The ordinance only pertains to noise from a fixed address within the city.

2710
02:30:00,609 --> 02:30:04,513
Modified mufflers and loud radios are not covered.

2711
02:30:04,513 --> 02:30:10,352
The city staff inform us that the contract police have begun issuing repair orders in quantity.

2712
02:30:10,352 --> 02:30:12,187
Modified mufflers.

2713
02:30:12,187 --> 02:30:13,880
If they can be induced to keep that up.

2714
02:30:13,822 --> 02:30:19,270
We should hear less about that type of problem.

2715
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:19,327
Three.

2716
02:30:19,327 --> 02:30:20,295
This is the one we

2717
02:30:20,295 --> 02:30:23,331
type of problem. Three. This is the one we'll probably be talking about the most.

2718
02:30:23,331 --> 02:30:27,335
Noises caused by tenants whose identities are masked by landlords.

2719
02:30:27,335 --> 02:30:32,441
And noises in which the landlord has shown other negligence.

2720
02:30:32,441 --> 02:30:36,411
At our last meeting, city staff informed us of the following patterns of behavior.

2721
02:30:36,411 --> 02:30:37,279
You have to remember.

2722
02:30:37,279 --> 02:30:38,914
This is what they told us.

2723
02:30:38,914 --> 02:30:39,214
We didn

2724
02:30:39,214 --> 02:30:39,548
You have to remember. This is what they told us. We didn't we didn

2725
02:30:39,548 --> 02:30:50,225
what they told us. We didn't we didn't hear about it at the hearing at any hearing, but We have we have heard suggestions that these may be true?

2726
02:30:50,225 --> 02:30:58,233
A Large parties with lookouts who warn of approaching city vehicles, ensuring that the decibel count is below the ordinance standard while the officer is present.

2727
02:30:58,233 --> 02:31:00,302
B.

2728
02:31:00,302 --> 02:31:00,635
Parties were.

2729
02:31:00,635 --> 02:31:06,740
Nobody will admit to being one of the tenants and giving a name.

2730
02:31:06,740 --> 02:31:11,279
See landlords refusing to give names of tenants at the properties to city staff.

2731
02:31:11,279 --> 02:31:16,510
Paying the negligible $75 fine for that refusal instead of the much more consequential No, it

2732
02:31:16,118 --> 02:31:19,870
refusal instead of the much more consequential No, it's fine.

2733
02:31:19,870 --> 02:31:21,220
Note that the public services director can

2734
02:31:21,220 --> 02:31:24,860
fine. Note that the public services director can't demand that the tenant attend a noise control board hearing if he doesn

2735
02:31:24,860 --> 02:31:29,631
control board hearing if he doesn't know who the tenant is.

2736
02:31:29,631 --> 02:31:33,902
There are several potential remedies for these patterns of behavior.

2737
02:31:33,902 --> 02:31:34,202
Since.

2738
02:31:34,202 --> 02:31:34,536
The.

2739
02:31:34,536 --> 02:31:39,107
Evidence and experience are with the city staff rather than the board.

2740
02:31:39,107 --> 02:31:44,312
We have told the staff that we will support whatever proposal they bring to council.

2741
02:31:44,312 --> 02:31:50,519
Among these remedies would be toughing the fine for not furnishing tenant ventures names.

2742
02:31:50,519 --> 02:31:55,257
Holding the landlord directly responsible for noise caused by anonymous renters.

2743
02:31:55,257 --> 02:32:04,132
Finding the landlord for being on a unable to prove that the anonymous renters were informed of the provisions of Chapter 138.

2744
02:32:04,132 --> 02:32:06,670
And asking, says the housing boardroom informed that it

2745
02:32:06,401 --> 02:32:08,770
housing boardroom informed that it's the actually the A PC.

2746
02:32:08,770 --> 02:32:13,410
To revoke the use and occupancy permit for the property in question.

2747
02:32:13,341 --> 02:32:13,675
To.

2748
02:32:13,675 --> 02:32:13,708
Repeat.

2749
02:32:13,708 --> 02:32:17,712
We are deferring to the council, the city staff and the city attorney.

2750
02:32:17,712 --> 02:32:19,915
For the most efficient solution.

2751
02:32:19,915 --> 02:32:20,215
And.

2752
02:32:20,215 --> 02:32:26,288
We support whatever that solution might be.

2753
02:32:26,288 --> 02:32:26,621
Four.

2754
02:32:26,621 --> 02:32:27,880
Noises that two people won

2755
02:32:27,122 --> 02:32:31,920
might be. Four. Noises that two people won't complain about.

2756
02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:34,396
The ordinance requires two complainants and sometimes a person who wants to complain.

2757
02:32:34,396 --> 02:32:34,629
Can

2758
02:32:34,629 --> 02:32:37,666
person who wants to complain. Can't get another neighbor to sign on.

2759
02:32:37,666 --> 02:32:44,940
We do not have consensus on the board about changing this rule.

2760
02:32:44,940 --> 02:32:45,240
Five.

2761
02:32:45,240 --> 02:32:46,875
Cases where the potential complainants don

2762
02:32:46,875 --> 02:32:51,580
where the potential complainants don't know about the noise Control board or how to get a hearing.

2763
02:32:51,580 --> 02:32:53,949
I wanna emphasize the first one?

2764
02:32:53,949 --> 02:32:57,752
The city website could lay out how to complain to the board.

2765
02:32:57,752 --> 02:32:57,886
I can

2766
02:32:57,886 --> 02:33:03,291
to complain to the board. I can't find anything on the city website about how to complain to the board or even that there is a board.

2767
02:33:03,291 --> 02:33:03,558
Maybe it

2768
02:33:03,558 --> 02:33:04,192
to the board or even that there is a board. Maybe it's an It

2769
02:33:04,192 --> 02:33:05,527
to the board or even that there is a board. Maybe it's an It's probably in the ordinance, but I can

2770
02:33:05,527 --> 02:33:09,197
probably in the ordinance, but I can't find anywhere else on the website about how to complain to the board.

2771
02:33:09,197 --> 02:33:15,570
Number two The City newsletter could mention the board.

2772
02:33:15,570 --> 02:33:24,120
Would probably make a big difference if once or twice the diamondback would cover a noise board hearing.

2773
02:33:24,120 --> 02:33:29,985
Number three City Council members could discuss the availability of the Board Civic Association meetings.

2774
02:33:29,985 --> 02:33:32,320
To sum up.

2775
02:33:32,320 --> 02:33:41,429
We, the members of the Noise Control board would like the council to know that although we are comfortable With the resolution of the noise problems that have come before us.

2776
02:33:41,429 --> 02:33:46,301
We cannot say that we are comfortable with the overall noise situation in college Park.

2777
02:33:46,301 --> 02:33:51,390
Because we do not know the frequency or severity of the five kinds of noise problems.

2778
02:33:51,390 --> 02:33:51,720
That.

2779
02:33:51,720 --> 02:33:53,742
I have just listed Thank you.

2780
02:33:53,742 --> 02:33:56,444
Thank you.

2781
02:33:56,444 --> 02:34:00,810
Um, add anything.

2782
02:34:00,382 --> 02:34:01,820
Not in particular I.

2783
02:34:01,116 --> 02:34:03,251
I will say just as a clarification.

2784
02:34:03,251 --> 02:34:03,485
I didn

2785
02:34:03,485 --> 02:34:04,552
I. I will say just as a clarification. I didn't get a promotion.

2786
02:34:04,552 --> 02:34:04,786
I

2787
02:34:04,786 --> 02:34:06,870
clarification. I didn't get a promotion. I'm vice chair, so I

2788
02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:10,592
promotion. I'm vice chair, so I'm not co chair.

2789
02:34:10,592 --> 02:34:12,160
Um, the the the Mr.

2790
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:18,300
Schroeder made a a point that I think for me, um, as a property owner in Calvert Hills.

2791
02:34:18,300 --> 02:34:19,668
Uh, Close to old town.

2792
02:34:19,668 --> 02:34:19,701
You

2793
02:34:19,701 --> 02:34:22,937
Hills. Uh, Close to old town. You'd see these houses that were frequent.

2794
02:34:22,937 --> 02:34:25,206
Um, repeat offenders.

2795
02:34:25,206 --> 02:34:27,575
For, large parties and large gatherings.

2796
02:34:27,575 --> 02:34:27,909
I didn

2797
02:34:27,909 --> 02:34:32,800
offenders. For, large parties and large gatherings. I didn't know about the noise control board until I was on the noise control board.

2798
02:34:32,714 --> 02:34:33,348
So.

2799
02:34:33,348 --> 02:34:48,630
I do think that dissemination of information to the various neighbors, um to the to the entire city would be Really important and if that could be Something on the website where you basically just clicking a link filling out Uh, you know, you

2800
02:34:48,129 --> 02:34:50,665
know Fillable PDF or some fillable form or something like that.

2801
02:34:50,665 --> 02:34:54,769
I think something like that would be Really helpful.

2802
02:34:54,769 --> 02:34:55,360
Don

2803
02:34:55,360 --> 02:35:02,911
that would be Really helpful. Don't know that we were discussing the various, Um And fines and the and the various sanctions that that are involved.

2804
02:35:02,911 --> 02:35:02,944
It

2805
02:35:02,944 --> 02:35:07,820
sanctions that that are involved. It's me you know you get you get a few folks in front of noise Control board.

2806
02:35:07,148 --> 02:35:07,215
They

2807
02:35:07,215 --> 02:35:07,415
front of noise Control board. They're they

2808
02:35:07,415 --> 02:35:08,416
front of noise Control board. They're they're having to deal with this.

2809
02:35:08,416 --> 02:35:08,650
They

2810
02:35:08,650 --> 02:35:11,553
They're they're having to deal with this. They're being hailed in front of their neighbors and everything else.

2811
02:35:11,553 --> 02:35:11,853
It

2812
02:35:11,853 --> 02:35:14,489
in front of their neighbors and everything else. It's not a pleasant experience for a lot of people.

2813
02:35:14,489 --> 02:35:14,789
I don

2814
02:35:14,789 --> 02:35:17,692
pleasant experience for a lot of people. I don't even know how much the The.

2815
02:35:17,692 --> 02:35:26,401
Fine, certainly as a landlord myself, Um you know, UN, O and fines would would eventually affect you.

2816
02:35:26,401 --> 02:35:32,540
But Um, for these larger houses where there are 10 people in one floor or something like that.

2817
02:35:32,540 --> 02:35:32,941
Uh, I don

2818
02:35:32,941 --> 02:35:33,441
something like that. Uh, I don't know that they

2819
02:35:33,441 --> 02:35:42,550
something like that. Uh, I don't know that they're really going to be affected so much by by fines, but again, hailing them in front of the noise Control board, uh and and potentially affected their UN O.

2820
02:35:42,550 --> 02:35:48,790
I think I think could have a uh um A a good effect on the on the noise.

2821
02:35:48,790 --> 02:35:50,158
So that

2822
02:35:50,158 --> 02:35:53,940
um A a good effect on the on the noise. So that's Basically all I have to say, but, um I think that there

2823
02:35:53,128 --> 02:35:54,950
all I have to say, but, um I think that there's I think there

2824
02:35:54,629 --> 02:35:58,800
think that there's I think there's room for improvement for for how we disseminate that information.

2825
02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:01,336
Thank you.

2826
02:36:01,336 --> 02:36:01,403
It

2827
02:36:01,403 --> 02:36:03,571
for for how we disseminate that information. Thank you. It's very helpful.

2828
02:36:03,571 --> 02:36:05,273
Um Want to take questions, Mr.

2829
02:36:05,273 --> 02:36:07,976
Please go ahead.

2830
02:36:07,976 --> 02:36:08,900
So did you raise fast?

2831
02:36:08,877 --> 02:36:09,310
Please Go ahead.

2832
02:36:09,310 --> 02:36:09,844
Okay, I guess I

2833
02:36:09,844 --> 02:36:12,881
So did you raise fast? Please Go ahead. Okay, I guess I'm in the hot seat tonight.

2834
02:36:12,881 --> 02:36:18,753
So as as far as the the so I guess I, I.

2835
02:36:18,753 --> 02:36:18,753
A.

2836
02:36:18,753 --> 02:36:19,200
I

2837
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:19,530
far as the the so I guess I, I. A. I'm A.

2838
02:36:19,354 --> 02:36:23,191
I would agree with the the recommendations included in in five.

2839
02:36:23,191 --> 02:36:30,632
You know, I think I recently, uh, referred some residents in the, uh, College Park Estates neighborhood to the noise control board.

2840
02:36:30,632 --> 02:36:30,932
And.

2841
02:36:30,932 --> 02:36:37,672
I believe that that resulted in AAA positive outcome.

2842
02:36:37,672 --> 02:36:47,480
Um, although perhaps not necessarily You know through the the, uh, the process that the residents expected, but it resulted in a positive outcome.

2843
02:36:47,480 --> 02:36:47,810
Um I.

2844
02:36:47,382 --> 02:36:54,856
I also really believe that the the presence of the noise control board or referrals to noise control border are a deterrent in of themselves.

2845
02:36:54,856 --> 02:36:59,294
Um, and that that needs to be easier to do, Uh, with regards to the two I.

2846
02:36:59,294 --> 02:37:01,529
I recognize that you all don

2847
02:37:01,529 --> 02:37:06,670
Uh, with regards to the two I. I recognize that you all don't have, uh, any internal consensus on the on the Requirement that at least two people complain about it.

2848
02:37:06,100 --> 02:37:07,680
And I Guess I.

2849
02:37:07,335 --> 02:37:11,306
I feel somewhat strongly that that needs to retain and remain in place.

2850
02:37:11,306 --> 02:37:17,345
Um, because there are a lot of solo cranks in the city, um, with with no disrespect to solo cranks, and but I

2851
02:37:17,345 --> 02:37:24,520
with no disrespect to solo cranks, and but I'm not sure that would be appropriate to have, um, you know, just simply one person who could who could spin up?

2852
02:37:24,520 --> 02:37:37,980
You know a noise control hearing and and create a lot of stir, um, just on their own without getting at least one other, uh, sober minded resident to to to agree to to So present in front of the board, and that actually raises you know what

2853
02:37:37,565 --> 02:37:49,878
I see is maybe the largest barrier to the noise control board because I actually have talked up the noise control board to our residents in old town and Calver hills for for on several occasions over the years, residents are very in my in my

2854
02:37:49,878 --> 02:37:59,587
view, residents are reluctant to engage in that process because it because it establishes a quasi judicial in confrontational.

2855
02:37:59,587 --> 02:38:03,240
Um, certainly adversarial, Uh, hearing, um and and many residents, you know, don

2856
02:38:03,224 --> 02:38:08,329
and and many residents, you know, don't necessarily want To have that relationship with with their neighbors.

2857
02:38:08,329 --> 02:38:08,396
I, don

2858
02:38:08,396 --> 02:38:08,663
have that relationship with with their neighbors. I, don't I.

2859
02:38:08,663 --> 02:38:08,696
I.

2860
02:38:08,696 --> 02:38:08,730
Don

2861
02:38:08,730 --> 02:38:09,297
with their neighbors. I, don't I. I. Don't And.

2862
02:38:09,297 --> 02:38:09,364
So I.

2863
02:38:09,364 --> 02:38:12,166
I think all the rest of this stuff will help, But.

2864
02:38:12,166 --> 02:38:12,500
I don

2865
02:38:12,500 --> 02:38:15,503
all the rest of this stuff will help, But. I don't know how you overcome You know?

2866
02:38:15,503 --> 02:38:16,538
That barrier and and maybe you don

2867
02:38:16,538 --> 02:38:18,740
overcome You know? That barrier and and maybe you don't need to overcome that barrier.

2868
02:38:18,740 --> 02:38:19,400
May.

2869
02:38:19,400 --> 02:38:19,730
Maybe.

2870
02:38:19,730 --> 02:38:24,512
The answer is people then will only avail themselves of the noise Control board, if if they

2871
02:38:24,512 --> 02:38:26,114
of the noise Control board, if if they're advised that it exists when they

2872
02:38:26,114 --> 02:38:27,810
if they're advised that it exists when they're really just at wits end And.

2873
02:38:27,115 --> 02:38:38,960
I think that that was the case in college Park Estates, by the way, um, the issue in college Park estates for my colleagues was that there was a resident who was driving a very loud vehicle into the car or into the neighborhood at all hours

2874
02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:45,533
of days and nights, and, uh, waking up Children and waking up, you know residents, and apparently, they kept very odd hours.

2875
02:38:45,533 --> 02:38:52,600
Um, The upshot was they had sold it by the time the nose control board hearing occurred, so it it the problem kind of solved itself.

2876
02:38:52,574 --> 02:38:52,607
But.

2877
02:38:52,607 --> 02:39:07,522
Um it took a lot of pep talking for me to convince our residents to actually go to that gather the evidence needed and actually go to that adversarial sort of, um Hearing to to even make it happen.

2878
02:39:07,522 --> 02:39:08,122
A.

2879
02:39:08,122 --> 02:39:10,910
Couple of other reflections are, um I.

2880
02:39:10,425 --> 02:39:22,300
I absolutely think that we need to create every incentive for landlords to, uh, especially when there is AAA Code enforcement action or or or especially something like that that

2881
02:39:22,300 --> 02:39:29,510
or especially something like that that's criminal or potentially criminal provide the names of the of of the people who exist on the on the, um On the lease I.

2882
02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:29,577
I can

2883
02:39:29,577 --> 02:39:42,900
people who exist on the on the, um On the lease I. I can't think of any Reasonable reason why, in the presence of a code violation or a law violation that that information should be withheld from code of law enforcement, Uh, officials.

2884
02:39:42,657 --> 02:39:43,625
So if if there

2885
02:39:43,625 --> 02:39:50,732
enforcement, Uh, officials. So if if there's a a need to raise a fine or look at other enforcement practices, that would be something that that I would definitely encourage.

2886
02:39:50,732 --> 02:39:51,366
And, I

2887
02:39:51,366 --> 02:40:01,209
would definitely encourage. And, I've heard, um, both from uh, from your predecessor on many occasions that that was, you know, sort of something that that that many landlords have kind of, you know, baked into the cost of doing business, so

2888
02:40:01,209 --> 02:40:07,215
You know anything that we can do to disrupt That dynamic is something that I would be in favor of, um, that

2889
02:40:07,215 --> 02:40:08,249
something that I would be in favor of, um, that's those are my reflections.

2890
02:40:08,249 --> 02:40:08,983
Thank you.

2891
02:40:08,983 --> 02:40:09,784
Absolutely thank you.

2892
02:40:09,784 --> 02:40:09,817
I.

2893
02:40:09,817 --> 02:40:12,654
We have someone from the board.

2894
02:40:12,654 --> 02:40:13,621
Actually Miss Bellamy.

2895
02:40:13,621 --> 02:40:18,559
She wants to speak, Please unmute yourself.

2896
02:40:18,559 --> 02:40:18,559
And.

2897
02:40:18,559 --> 02:40:18,626
I

2898
02:40:18,626 --> 02:40:22,296
wants to speak, Please unmute yourself. And. I've been on the noise board about 10 years.

2899
02:40:22,296 --> 02:40:24,699
I live in District four.

2900
02:40:24,699 --> 02:40:29,937
And, um From my experience with the neighbors.

2901
02:40:29,937 --> 02:40:32,173
It is, um They don

2902
02:40:32,173 --> 02:40:42,450
From my experience with the neighbors. It is, um They don't know about the noise board and I think the city needs to make it much more available to, um to the residents.

2903
02:40:42,450 --> 02:40:43,384
What What.

2904
02:40:43,384 --> 02:40:46,721
Their tools are in solving some of these problems.

2905
02:40:46,721 --> 02:40:50,291
And, um I.

2906
02:40:50,291 --> 02:41:09,544
I think it would make life a lot better in the neighborhood and my experience on the board is usually when Someone makes a complaint and the, um One that causes that they end up shaking hands at the end of the meeting and agree to work together.

2907
02:41:09,544 --> 02:41:10,478
So it.

2908
02:41:10,478 --> 02:41:14,820
It does have a positive outcome.

2909
02:41:14,820 --> 02:41:14,820
And.

2910
02:41:14,182 --> 02:41:14,215
Also.

2911
02:41:14,215 --> 02:41:22,123
I think that the Landlords need to be made more accountable.

2912
02:41:22,123 --> 02:41:23,910
I mean it.

2913
02:41:23,910 --> 02:41:26,627
The fine structure from the way it is.

2914
02:41:26,627 --> 02:41:27,895
I It doesn

2915
02:41:27,895 --> 02:41:38,172
it. The fine structure from the way it is. I It doesn't have any effect, Whatever and and maybe they should do like they do in Ocean City they have besides the rental permit.

2916
02:41:38,172 --> 02:41:39,140
Have a noise permit.

2917
02:41:39,140 --> 02:41:50,840
And this would, um When they sign off on that they would have to be aware of the noise loss and make sure that their tenants are aware of the law.

2918
02:41:50,785 --> 02:41:57,725
And I think we would have much easier way of enforcing the issue.

2919
02:41:57,725 --> 02:42:00,928
Thank you.

2920
02:42:00,928 --> 02:42:01,562
Um you, Miss Bellamy!

2921
02:42:01,562 --> 02:42:03,970
Thank you so much.

2922
02:42:03,970 --> 02:42:09,537
I was actually going to ask a question around that line.

2923
02:42:09,537 --> 02:42:20,810
Did you or any any any of the, uh, of the, uh, noise control boat, IN General As a body you get a chance to look into the practices, the other towns.

2924
02:42:20,715 --> 02:42:30,958
Like, the similar, uh, advisory Committee, actually, does we We have we have we have not as a board looked at the at at the at the, uh, ordinances from other cities.

2925
02:42:30,958 --> 02:42:41,102
And if you would like us to do that, Uh, you should Tell us Yeah, it as a council you can tell us to do that.

2926
02:42:41,102 --> 02:42:45,740
You pay you pay us every time we meet, but go ahead.

2927
02:42:45,740 --> 02:42:47,909
Thank you.

2928
02:42:47,909 --> 02:42:51,445
I

2929
02:42:51,445 --> 02:42:51,779
time we meet, but go ahead. Thank you. I'll.

2930
02:42:51,779 --> 02:42:52,790
Definitely to my colleagues.

2931
02:42:52,480 --> 02:42:57,785
Thank you, Mr Mayor and thank you both for your leadership and Miss Bellamy on the committee.

2932
02:42:57,785 --> 02:42:58,519
So.

2933
02:42:58,519 --> 02:43:05,660
Yes, I will say Please look at other municipalities, Ocean City, Um Salisbury.

2934
02:43:05,660 --> 02:43:05,927
Um there

2935
02:43:05,927 --> 02:43:11,980
other municipalities, Ocean City, Um Salisbury. Um there's some other ones on the Eastern Shore area that have much stricter ordinance And.

2936
02:43:11,980 --> 02:43:14,680
I think that might help support some of the things that you

2937
02:43:14,680 --> 02:43:15,403
that might help support some of the things that you're saying tonight?

2938
02:43:15,403 --> 02:43:28,182
I do, uh, appreciate my colleague Councilor Rick and regarding to point number five about getting information out about what is noise board the responsibilities who are the members and actually, also again, I like to point about bringing the

2939
02:43:28,182 --> 02:43:31,520
noise board members to Civic Association meetings to talk about what

2940
02:43:31,419 --> 02:43:33,540
members to Civic Association meetings to talk about what's going on in the city.

2941
02:43:33,540 --> 02:43:33,870
How.

2942
02:43:33,870 --> 02:43:46,200
You can report I think that will elevate, Um, the members of the committee but also elevate the, uh about the fact that we take this seriously collaboratively, the UM, Committee as well as the council.

2943
02:43:46,200 --> 02:43:46,234
I

2944
02:43:46,234 --> 02:43:49,637
the UM, Committee as well as the council. I'm going to Point number through.

2945
02:43:49,637 --> 02:43:49,837
Where

2946
02:43:49,837 --> 02:43:53,741
the council. I'm going to Point number through. Where's the one about the person did not the look at Well, that

2947
02:43:53,741 --> 02:44:00,715
about the person did not the look at Well, that's what we experiencing in district four, so I would like to see if there

2948
02:44:00,715 --> 02:44:03,918
so I would like to see if there's any way to how we could combat that.

2949
02:44:03,918 --> 02:44:15,496
I know when some municipalities the actual landlord has to register the names of the actual tenants in their homes, So when the code enforcement officer goes out to inspect, it

2950
02:44:15,496 --> 02:44:16,797
enforcement officer goes out to inspect, it's supposed to match up and if it

2951
02:44:16,797 --> 02:44:21,936
inspect, it's supposed to match up and if it's different, then there is a question that needs to be brought to bear to the property owner.

2952
02:44:21,936 --> 02:44:22,603
So if there

2953
02:44:22,603 --> 02:44:35,416
to be brought to bear to the property owner. So if there's a possibility that we can look at that, because I know many, many years ago in District four, there was a Propose party at the pool, and that was, um brought to us through social media.

2954
02:44:35,416 --> 02:44:37,251
Um, to, uh, as a deterrent.

2955
02:44:37,251 --> 02:44:41,255
We found out in time and worked with a contract and finish county police.

2956
02:44:41,255 --> 02:44:41,889
Um and we

2957
02:44:41,889 --> 02:44:46,928
finish county police. Um and we're able to alleviate that party from occurring so regards to that.

2958
02:44:46,928 --> 02:44:54,936
I appreciate that, Um, in regards to Landlords needing to, um Revoke the you know.

2959
02:44:54,936 --> 02:44:58,472
I think we need to look at that in regards to if they

2960
02:44:58,472 --> 02:45:01,809
think we need to look at that in regards to if they're not doing their responsibility and their job.

2961
02:45:01,809 --> 02:45:01,842
Then.

2962
02:45:01,842 --> 02:45:07,140
We need to dangle that as some the character set in order to do business and college park.

2963
02:45:07,140 --> 02:45:09,917
You need to adhere to the rules and regulations.

2964
02:45:09,917 --> 02:45:10,584
And if you don

2965
02:45:10,584 --> 02:45:12,887
need to adhere to the rules and regulations. And if you don't your you know will be right.

2966
02:45:12,887 --> 02:45:15,323
You will be taken from you.

2967
02:45:15,323 --> 02:45:15,389
Now.

2968
02:45:15,389 --> 02:45:15,556
There

2969
02:45:15,556 --> 02:45:17,959
You will be taken from you. Now. There's some other cases where On off campus.

2970
02:45:17,959 --> 02:45:25,766
There are students who live in the off campus housing that are not from University of Maryland but are from other universities.

2971
02:45:25,766 --> 02:45:30,400
Um, I know the city College Park has done the code of conduct with the students.

2972
02:45:30,204 --> 02:45:36,770
I think we need to go to the table and talk to these other other universities and do the same thing with them.

2973
02:45:36,344 --> 02:45:36,677
So.

2974
02:45:36,677 --> 02:45:41,916
They understand that when you live in college park, there are responsibilities that you bear to the I

2975
02:45:41,916 --> 02:45:46,530
responsibilities that you bear to the I'm not only to the quality of life for the residents in the community but to your colleagues, so that

2976
02:45:46,530 --> 02:45:48,923
residents in the community but to your colleagues, so that's what Have for right now.

2977
02:45:48,923 --> 02:45:49,924
Thank you thank you.

2978
02:45:49,924 --> 02:45:52,793
I wanna add about the number one?

2979
02:45:52,793 --> 02:45:56,697
The noises that are not covered by the city ordinance.

2980
02:45:56,697 --> 02:45:57,198
So.

2981
02:45:57,198 --> 02:46:09,643
You probably know, um, the council We have been advocating our state delegations, um, on at least about three bills for the past two or three years.

2982
02:46:09,643 --> 02:46:14,480
Um, um In the past years, they did not come out the committees.

2983
02:46:14,115 --> 02:46:16,500
Um, but this year, at least two bills.

2984
02:46:16,500 --> 02:46:20,821
I think there is very good chance that they will be Becoming law.

2985
02:46:20,821 --> 02:46:21,880
The.

2986
02:46:21,880 --> 02:46:26,600
One is the noise camera bill and the other one is the exhibition driving.

2987
02:46:26,600 --> 02:46:26,600
Um, we

2988
02:46:26,227 --> 02:46:28,562
one is the exhibition driving. Um, we'll be talking, actually, right after this.

2989
02:46:28,562 --> 02:46:37,204
Uh so if you if you have any other ideas of any legislation that the state can actually take, Please let us know.

2990
02:46:37,204 --> 02:46:37,438
Sometimes.

2991
02:46:37,438 --> 02:46:41,776
They actually ask us that What What do you really want and we can advocate for you?

2992
02:46:41,776 --> 02:46:43,310
Yeah, thank you.

2993
02:46:43,310 --> 02:46:43,744
All right?

2994
02:46:43,744 --> 02:46:46,347
I like the hands.

2995
02:46:46,347 --> 02:46:48,783
Gonna go with the over this order.

2996
02:46:48,783 --> 02:46:52,219
Uh, Miss Whitney.

2997
02:46:52,219 --> 02:46:59,560
I have a question for, um, our city attorney, Um What I?

2998
02:46:59,560 --> 02:47:01,228
What rights.

2999
02:47:01,228 --> 02:47:02,463
Do.

3000
02:47:02,463 --> 02:47:08,690
We have to, um, require the landlord to give us a copy of the lease if there

3001
02:47:08,169 --> 02:47:11,138
require the landlord to give us a copy of the lease if there's been a complaint.

3002
02:47:11,138 --> 02:47:14,408
Um, to get the names of the people.

3003
02:47:14,408 --> 02:47:21,816
Who live in the home.

3004
02:47:21,816 --> 02:47:26,654
What rights Do you have, um If.

3005
02:47:26,654 --> 02:47:26,921
There

3006
02:47:26,921 --> 02:47:28,550
live in the home. What rights Do you have, um If. There's not a legal If there

3007
02:47:28,550 --> 02:47:31,559
Do you have, um If. There's not a legal If there's not a Legal process that

3008
02:47:31,559 --> 02:47:33,661
a legal If there's not a Legal process that's requiring that I

3009
02:47:33,661 --> 02:47:39,567
process that's requiring that I'm not sure if the landlord has to comply with the request.

3010
02:47:39,567 --> 02:47:42,136
Can I we could explore.

3011
02:47:42,136 --> 02:47:42,803
Can.

3012
02:47:42,803 --> 02:47:43,471
I help.

3013
02:47:43,471 --> 02:47:50,744
Uh, if that rental property is registered with the city, Can, we actually give that information.

3014
02:47:50,744 --> 02:47:52,546
Are you?

3015
02:47:52,546 --> 02:47:52,680
Can.

3016
02:47:52,680 --> 02:47:52,746
You.

3017
02:47:52,746 --> 02:47:56,717
Repeat that question for me.

3018
02:47:56,717 --> 02:47:57,351
I guess what?

3019
02:47:57,351 --> 02:47:57,685
I

3020
02:47:57,685 --> 02:48:00,221
You. Repeat that question for me. I guess what? I'm, trying to figure out is if there

3021
02:48:00,221 --> 02:48:04,758
me. I guess what? I'm, trying to figure out is if there's a way to, um, force the well, actually, this is kind of a bigger question.

3022
02:48:04,758 --> 02:48:11,599
I have generally about the fact that we have houses with more than five people living in them.

3023
02:48:11,599 --> 02:48:11,832
Um, which isn

3024
02:48:11,832 --> 02:48:12,566
five people living in them. Um, which isn't allowed, Um I.

3025
02:48:12,566 --> 02:48:14,735
Just wonder if we

3026
02:48:14,735 --> 02:48:21,842
which isn't allowed, Um I. Just wonder if we're allowed to require, um, submission of a current lease whenever people get a use in occupancy curve permit.

3027
02:48:21,842 --> 02:48:22,476
I.

3028
02:48:22,476 --> 02:48:30,451
I think the best way to to approach it is to look at Um, our regulatory scheme on what we require.

3029
02:48:30,451 --> 02:48:41,629
I know we require, um, licensing when you rent property and so we need to take a look at that and see what the actual provisions are and what we require of landlords and see if there

3030
02:48:41,629 --> 02:48:45,866
and what we require of landlords and see if there's an opportunity to strengthen that.

3031
02:48:45,866 --> 02:48:49,236
Thank you, Um Two.

3032
02:48:49,236 --> 02:49:02,183
More questions one Could there be some way that that residents could actually, um, measure noise happening at a party when they hear it And?

3033
02:49:02,183 --> 02:49:15,496
Could there be a device that might record that and have a point in time and maybe they can take a camera picture and, like, do can I speak to that so So As.

3034
02:49:15,496 --> 02:49:16,130
I said.

3035
02:49:16,130 --> 02:49:18,650
Residents have two sorts of recourse.

3036
02:49:18,650 --> 02:49:18,980
Alright.

3037
02:49:18,980 --> 02:49:24,872
The one is The noise officer who has who already has that device.

3038
02:49:24,872 --> 02:49:37,170
Um, and your code does not give residents any Authority in that sense, and the other is through the noise board and we sometimes do have residents.

3039
02:49:37,170 --> 02:49:39,520
The complainants coming to us and say, I, I.

3040
02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:39,520
Have.

3041
02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:43,824
I had this device and it measured, you know, 100 and two decibels.

3042
02:49:43,824 --> 02:49:45,920
Well, guess what we are not making.

3043
02:49:45,125 --> 02:49:53,867
We are not We are not finding objectively that that that annoys standard an objective noise standard has been has been exceeded.

3044
02:49:53,867 --> 02:49:54,235
Therefore, it doesn

3045
02:49:54,235 --> 02:49:56,700
been has been exceeded. Therefore, it doesn't make any difference.

3046
02:49:56,103 --> 02:49:56,704
We have we?

3047
02:49:56,704 --> 02:50:03,577
A RE we a RE making a subject to determination, based on the preponderance of the evidence.

3048
02:50:03,577 --> 02:50:06,814
Thank you and my last question would be, um, How.

3049
02:50:06,814 --> 02:50:08,820
Do.

3050
02:50:08,820 --> 02:50:10,351
You think we could better apply?

3051
02:50:10,351 --> 02:50:14,722
Um, our noise.

3052
02:50:14,722 --> 02:50:17,191
Ordinance to businesses in in the community.

3053
02:50:17,191 --> 02:50:26,934
We have an ongoing problem with the H vac system at let, um not being well maintained and screeching and bothering nearby residents.

3054
02:50:26,934 --> 02:50:29,103
Um, I think we II.

3055
02:50:29,103 --> 02:50:31,739
I believe that it has come before you and it

3056
02:50:31,739 --> 02:50:34,275
believe that it has come before you and it's happening again.

3057
02:50:34,275 --> 02:50:34,575
Well.

3058
02:50:34,575 --> 02:50:35,576
They got fined.

3059
02:50:35,576 --> 02:50:36,143
Um so I I

3060
02:50:36,143 --> 02:50:36,176
Well. They got fined. Um so I I'm.

3061
02:50:36,176 --> 02:50:36,210
I

3062
02:50:36,210 --> 02:50:43,851
Well. They got fined. Um so I I'm. I'm sorry to hear that, the that the problem continues, Um Uh, They can get the the fine.

3063
02:50:43,851 --> 02:50:47,870
The fine doubles right?

3064
02:50:47,388 --> 02:50:48,880
Thank you?

3065
02:50:48,389 --> 02:50:49,723
Thanks for your action.

3066
02:50:49,723 --> 02:50:52,459
Um do es.

3067
02:50:52,459 --> 02:50:52,760
And.

3068
02:50:52,760 --> 02:50:55,729
Thank you both for your work?

3069
02:50:55,729 --> 02:50:56,960
Um and I won

3070
02:50:56,960 --> 02:50:57,965
you both for your work? Um and I won't repeat a number of things that have already been said.

3071
02:50:57,965 --> 02:50:57,998
I.

3072
02:50:57,998 --> 02:51:07,410
Do want to go to the point of, um two people not reporting, Um, a noise issue?

3073
02:51:07,410 --> 02:51:08,842
Um, and the challenges that we

3074
02:51:08,842 --> 02:51:11,779
Um, and the challenges that we've had, and even communicating that to residents.

3075
02:51:11,779 --> 02:51:12,813
So, you know, I

3076
02:51:12,813 --> 02:51:13,280
communicating that to residents. So, you know, I've I

3077
02:51:13,280 --> 02:51:25,590
communicating that to residents. So, you know, I've I've often communicated that to residents who have two people living in a home and being able to say, you know, there are two people living at home can actually each one of you Complain that

3078
02:51:25,326 --> 02:51:25,693
that is possible.

3079
02:51:25,693 --> 02:51:25,759
It

3080
02:51:25,759 --> 02:51:33,701
each one of you Complain that that is possible. It's not having to go to a neighbor or go elsewhere to get a second person to do this often times people.

3081
02:51:33,701 --> 02:51:34,340
What I

3082
02:51:34,340 --> 02:51:35,690
person to do this often times people. What I've experienced is that after it

3083
02:51:35,690 --> 02:51:35,969
people. What I've experienced is that after it's done, and they

3084
02:51:35,969 --> 02:51:37,171
is that after it's done, and they've said something about it, they don

3085
02:51:37,171 --> 02:51:40,874
they've said something about it, they don't want to do anything else until it happens again.

3086
02:51:40,874 --> 02:51:44,440
Um, so then the the complaints continue, but they don

3087
02:51:44,345 --> 02:51:48,682
so then the the complaints continue, but they don't always follow through with what needs to be done to go to a hearing, so we

3088
02:51:48,682 --> 02:51:49,490
to be done to go to a hearing, so we'll I mean we

3089
02:51:49,416 --> 02:51:51,719
to be done to go to a hearing, so we'll I mean we've continued to do that and shared that with people.

3090
02:51:51,719 --> 02:52:08,869
Um, the other thing I wanted To share is that, um, when you go online and you go under report, there is information there that is about what to do during a noise violation, as well as pointing to, um, a flyer that speaks specifically of the

3091
02:52:08,869 --> 02:52:10,170
noise control board.

3092
02:52:10,170 --> 02:52:10,204
So.

3093
02:52:10,204 --> 02:52:11,105
Um and I

3094
02:52:11,105 --> 02:52:13,440
specifically of the noise control board. So. Um and I've used that, um especially when I first got on council.

3095
02:52:13,440 --> 02:52:13,707
What I

3096
02:52:13,707 --> 02:52:20,447
used that, um especially when I first got on council. What I'm thinking is that that needs to be refreshed and, um, it can be used in various ways.

3097
02:52:20,447 --> 02:52:21,810
Be it our Facebook page.

3098
02:52:21,315 --> 02:52:29,890
Um uh, Social media as well as other, um, items that we share out with with members of the community because I don

3099
02:52:29,890 --> 02:52:30,157
with members of the community because I don't think that that

3100
02:52:30,157 --> 02:52:31,792
because I don't think that that's been refreshed and shared consistently.

3101
02:52:31,792 --> 02:52:32,920
So.

3102
02:52:32,920 --> 02:52:33,260
I think that that could also help.

3103
02:52:33,127 --> 02:52:34,228
Thank you.

3104
02:52:34,228 --> 02:52:35,796
Thank you.

3105
02:52:35,796 --> 02:52:38,310
Mr Hill.

3106
02:52:38,310 --> 02:52:40,300
Thank you very much, um I

3107
02:52:40,300 --> 02:52:45,773
Thank you. Thank you. Mr Hill. Thank you very much, um I'm looking at, uh, number one, and I think that there

3108
02:52:45,773 --> 02:52:48,675
looking at, uh, number one, and I think that there's another, um, noise that, um, I.

3109
02:52:48,675 --> 02:52:49,276
Wanna verify with staff.

3110
02:52:49,276 --> 02:53:00,220
Um, that Could be added to that is construction noise outside of the, um, allotted hours because we

3111
02:53:00,220 --> 02:53:08,562
the, um, allotted hours because we've been receiving complaints about, um, construction sites on the RST, starting at 630 in the morning.

3112
02:53:08,562 --> 02:53:14,670
Yeah, and then when we get those kind of cases we actually do follow up with enforcement.

3113
02:53:14,670 --> 02:53:18,205
Uh uh, pretty pretty quickly, actually, usually the same day that we receive that complaint.

3114
02:53:18,205 --> 02:53:20,174
There are some exceptions.

3115
02:53:20,174 --> 02:53:22,709
Uh, one being, uh, construction activity That

3116
02:53:22,709 --> 02:53:23,760
being, uh, construction activity That's on Route one.

3117
02:53:23,644 --> 02:53:23,977
As.

3118
02:53:23,977 --> 02:53:24,545
You All know we

3119
02:53:24,545 --> 02:53:24,945
activity That's on Route one. As. You All know we've, um that

3120
02:53:24,945 --> 02:53:27,848
As. You All know we've, um that's been a very difficult one.

3121
02:53:27,848 --> 02:53:30,830
Uh, to deal with.

3122
02:53:30,150 --> 02:53:36,990
Um, but the most ones are, uh that we that we deal with currently are are construction.

3123
02:53:36,990 --> 02:53:42,930
Um Uh, Mr Halpern usually is out there pretty much the next the the next day, and, uh, trying to get those resolved, so we haven

3124
02:53:42,930 --> 02:53:48,168
get those resolved, so we haven't had Many issues with that lately.

3125
02:53:48,168 --> 02:53:50,103
Thank you as a resident of District one.

3126
02:53:50,103 --> 02:53:54,842
I should point out that some some of the entities that are not mentioned in my statement.

3127
02:53:54,842 --> 02:53:57,770
That are also above our pay grade.

3128
02:53:57,770 --> 02:53:58,312
Our Be way.

3129
02:53:58,312 --> 02:54:04,251
The Metro The CS X.

3130
02:54:04,251 --> 02:54:06,820
Yeah can avoid them, right.

3131
02:54:06,820 --> 02:54:06,887
So?

3132
02:54:06,887 --> 02:54:12,726
Um as for communicating with other, um entities about this, Um I got a contact for you from the universe.

3133
02:54:12,726 --> 02:54:14,661
Um, for the, um, Minnesota.

3134
02:54:14,661 --> 02:54:28,408
They have, uh, three universities in their town, and, um they really exercise this ordinance very, very similar one and they they are claimed to not have issues anymore.

3135
02:54:28,408 --> 02:54:33,213
So I will give you that contact to follow up with lucky people.

3136
02:54:33,213 --> 02:54:50,230
Yes and then um, as for needing the two people to complain when, um our, um Code enforcement officers been alerted to a noise complaint could that be considered one of the complaints as long as it

3137
02:54:50,230 --> 02:54:52,733
considered one of the complaints as long as it's not the same person who reported it?

3138
02:54:52,733 --> 02:54:52,900
There

3139
02:54:52,900 --> 02:54:57,838
the same person who reported it? There's been the second complaint.

3140
02:54:57,838 --> 02:54:58,472
As long as he

3141
02:54:58,472 --> 02:54:58,839
There's been the second complaint. As long as he's witnessing it.

3142
02:54:58,839 --> 02:55:02,900
He has to be there witness while while it

3143
02:55:02,409 --> 02:55:08,348
witnessing it. He has to be there witness while while it's taking place, let let let me let me let me try and speak to it in terms of the ordinance, you have Mhm.

3144
02:55:08,348 --> 02:55:12,886
Do you noise officer is only going to be able to speak to whether or not they they

3145
02:55:12,886 --> 02:55:16,189
able to speak to whether or not they they've exceeded the the de the decibel limit.

3146
02:55:16,189 --> 02:55:25,866
Um, and if they have exceeded the decibel limit, um You know then, then the officer can issue a violation right there.

3147
02:55:25,866 --> 02:55:27,734
Um so and the officer is not.

3148
02:55:27,734 --> 02:55:29,403
I mean the officer can only tell you Well.

3149
02:55:29,403 --> 02:55:29,436
I

3150
02:55:29,436 --> 02:55:33,240
the officer can only tell you Well. I've been called out to that address.

3151
02:55:33,240 --> 02:55:47,540
Whatever number of times, um and have but I have not observed any Violation, uh, any violation above The limit in in In the, uh, in the ordinance, so They can

3152
02:55:47,540 --> 02:55:49,423
limit in in In the, uh, in the ordinance, so They can't help at the hearing.

3153
02:55:49,423 --> 02:56:00,701
In my view they they cannot help the way that this ordinance is written now to really we, we and we on the board can take that That officer

3154
02:56:00,701 --> 02:56:08,241
board can take that That officer's You know information that officers evidence is part of the context of our of our decision making right?

3155
02:56:08,241 --> 02:56:08,342
But.

3156
02:56:08,342 --> 02:56:11,511
They are not a complainant.

3157
02:56:11,511 --> 02:56:17,751
It really goes back to the um two or more residents complaining.

3158
02:56:17,751 --> 02:56:23,590
OK and, um last 10, and this is another one more for staff about procedures again.

3159
02:56:23,590 --> 02:56:38,138
Um, I know that when we have, um code enforcement issues, noise or what have you In the evenings Um we are required our our code enforcement officers required to have a police backup.

3160
02:56:38,138 --> 02:56:44,110
Are we utilizing university, please for this as well.

3161
02:56:44,110 --> 02:56:49,483
Uh, not not normally, Uh, university police is usually only patrolling on campus.

3162
02:56:49,483 --> 02:56:50,117
Um they

3163
02:56:50,117 --> 02:56:50,183
is usually only patrolling on campus. Um they're they

3164
02:56:50,183 --> 02:56:53,286
is usually only patrolling on campus. Um they're they're not usually, uh, in the neighborhoods very there

3165
02:56:53,286 --> 02:56:53,687
usually, uh, in the neighborhoods very there's occasionally times.

3166
02:56:53,687 --> 02:56:57,891
Uh, it has to be a pretty large party for them to A company us.

3167
02:56:57,891 --> 02:57:01,328
Um, but this is a student issue.

3168
02:57:01,328 --> 02:57:02,929
You face this still an so if it

3169
02:57:02,929 --> 02:57:08,135
this is a student issue. You face this still an so if it's a certain issue, they they should be part of this to witness this and on camp issue for them.

3170
02:57:08,135 --> 02:57:08,201
If.

3171
02:57:08,201 --> 02:57:08,435
It

3172
02:57:08,435 --> 02:57:08,735
and on camp issue for them. If. It's off campus.

3173
02:57:08,735 --> 02:57:08,769
It

3174
02:57:08,769 --> 02:57:12,839
and on camp issue for them. If. It's off campus. It's really not The.

3175
02:57:12,839 --> 02:57:13,106
They

3176
02:57:13,106 --> 02:57:13,740
It's off campus. It's really not The. They'll say differently.

3177
02:57:13,740 --> 02:57:14,740
But, I, I

3178
02:57:14,374 --> 02:57:24,251
not The. They'll say differently. But, I, I'm just telling you from just my short experience here, they they have not really, Um Uh, taking that as serious as something that would happen on campus.

3179
02:57:24,251 --> 02:57:24,351
OK?

3180
02:57:24,351 --> 02:57:27,870
Well, we need to open up that communication.

3181
02:57:27,487 --> 02:57:30,900
Thank you, Um Um, before I.

3182
02:57:30,757 --> 02:57:31,580
Take your question.

3183
02:57:31,358 --> 02:57:31,658
Can.

3184
02:57:31,658 --> 02:57:37,640
I go to Miss Mackay because she raised hand before Um Mr Schroder.

3185
02:57:37,330 --> 02:57:41,635
I want to ask you about, um in your second paragraph, where you say second?

3186
02:57:41,635 --> 02:57:43,270
After the fact.

3187
02:57:43,270 --> 02:57:52,245
They can ask the public service director to call a hearing of the noise control board to make an OK that That part.

3188
02:57:52,245 --> 02:57:55,816
So if you have An issue, but you can

3189
02:57:55,816 --> 02:57:59,486
that That part. So if you have An issue, but you can't get a reading and noise reading.

3190
02:57:59,486 --> 02:58:02,689
For various reasons.

3191
02:58:02,689 --> 02:58:03,560
Um The.

3192
02:58:03,560 --> 02:58:07,661
The residents can come to the noise board with They really don

3193
02:58:07,661 --> 02:58:09,896
residents can come to the noise board with They really don't have any proof because there

3194
02:58:09,896 --> 02:58:11,898
board with They really don't have any proof because there's no that that they can.

3195
02:58:11,898 --> 02:58:15,302
They can so the the noise officer is not there.

3196
02:58:15,302 --> 02:58:17,237
More than a few minutes.

3197
02:58:17,237 --> 02:58:19,506
All right.

3198
02:58:19,506 --> 02:58:27,114
They can they can testify to to what it was whatever they observed in the course of four hours or five hours, or whatever it was OK.

3199
02:58:27,114 --> 02:58:34,187
I just wanted to make sure I know Mrs Bellamy has been telling me about this, and I need to get some of my residents.

3200
02:58:34,187 --> 02:58:37,390
Both of us need to work on them.

3201
02:58:37,390 --> 02:58:44,397
And in addition to the unreleased social gathering, because I think We need to bring out the big guns here.

3202
02:58:44,397 --> 02:58:44,431
So.

3203
02:58:44,431 --> 02:58:50,771
Uh, thank you for clarifying that, and I want to thank all of you for serving on this committee very important, and we

3204
02:58:50,771 --> 02:58:52,500
serving on this committee very important, and we're and we do great work for our city.

3205
02:58:52,139 --> 02:58:53,206
Thank you.

3206
02:58:53,206 --> 02:58:53,840
Thank you?

3207
02:58:53,840 --> 02:58:54,474
I know it

3208
02:58:54,474 --> 02:58:57,878
great work for our city. Thank you. Thank you? I know it's a quality of life fishes and probably health issue.

3209
02:58:57,878 --> 02:59:02,215
Um, Mr Hernandez.

3210
02:59:02,215 --> 02:59:02,282
OK?

3211
02:59:02,282 --> 02:59:04,551
Alright.

3212
02:59:04,551 --> 02:59:04,951
Uh Mr Schroder.

3213
02:59:04,951 --> 02:59:17,798
Thank you so much for coming to the, uh, North College Park community Association, uh, to introduce yourself and and familiarize the the members a little bit more about, uh, the board.

3214
02:59:17,798 --> 02:59:18,980
Mr Hernandez.

3215
02:59:18,980 --> 02:59:22,903
I think we need a motion to extend the motion to extend the meeting?

3216
02:59:22,903 --> 02:59:26,173
All in favor say and the opposed to the extension.

3217
02:59:26,173 --> 02:59:29,309
Made an next time Please go ahead continue.

3218
02:59:29,309 --> 02:59:32,479
No one wants to be here as late as this, But.

3219
02:59:32,479 --> 02:59:32,512
Here.

3220
02:59:32,512 --> 02:59:40,554
We are, um my frame of reference is all remind everyone is 1230, but, uh, Mr Schroder, the only question I have and it

3221
02:59:40,554 --> 02:59:41,188
uh, Mr Schroder, the only question I have and it's gonna It

3222
02:59:41,188 --> 02:59:41,955
question I have and it's gonna It's gonna kind of defer.

3223
02:59:41,955 --> 02:59:42,155
It

3224
02:59:42,155 --> 02:59:49,863
question I have and it's gonna It's gonna kind of defer. It's gonna be a little bit not contentious, but certainly not not to everyone

3225
02:59:49,863 --> 02:59:51,865
contentious, but certainly not not to everyone's, uh, typical approach to noise, but let

3226
02:59:51,865 --> 02:59:58,438
not to everyone's, uh, typical approach to noise, but let's say a resident when it gets warmer, uh, wants to have some sort of host some sort of party.

3227
02:59:58,438 --> 03:00:00,540
Uh uh, some sort of gathering.

3228
03:00:00,540 --> 03:00:09,282
Uh, Backyard, uh, is there a process for them to to to to speak to their neighbors about trying to not get sighted?

3229
03:00:09,282 --> 03:00:09,382
Uh, I

3230
03:00:09,382 --> 03:00:14,870
trying to not get sighted? Uh, I'm just thinking off the top of my head that there are there.

3231
03:00:14,387 --> 03:00:23,960
There are families that live in my district that maybe they have good relationships with their neighbors and want to ask them.

3232
03:00:23,129 --> 03:00:26,333
Hey, you know, we we wanna throw a little event.

3233
03:00:26,333 --> 03:00:32,472
Is there a process for for them to be able to do that.

3234
03:00:32,472 --> 03:00:33,440
So Let

3235
03:00:33,440 --> 03:00:35,410
there a process for for them to be able to do that. So Let's get real OK.

3236
03:00:35,108 --> 03:00:39,880
Um, but the the the The the complaints.

3237
03:00:39,880 --> 03:00:42,148
Are brought by human beings.

3238
03:00:42,148 --> 03:00:42,582
Before Noise board.

3239
03:00:42,582 --> 03:00:42,816
They

3240
03:00:42,816 --> 03:00:49,189
brought by human beings. Before Noise board. They're also consists of human beings, Um If you have If.

3241
03:00:49,189 --> 03:00:52,726
You have a social gathering without amplified music.

3242
03:00:52,726 --> 03:00:55,950
In your backyard.

3243
03:00:55,428 --> 03:01:01,234
It is quite possible that the that the decibels of conversation will cross the decibels.

3244
03:01:01,234 --> 03:01:03,803
In the ordinance.

3245
03:01:03,803 --> 03:01:09,420
That does not mean anybody is going to be calling the the the noise, the noise officer And it doesn

3246
03:01:09,420 --> 03:01:09,676
the the the noise, the noise officer And it doesn't mean that they

3247
03:01:09,676 --> 03:01:14,140
officer And it doesn't mean that they're going to to bring it to to Board.

3248
03:01:14,140 --> 03:01:16,950
And if it does come to the board.

3249
03:01:16,950 --> 03:01:28,295
We were, we might well, listen and say Oh, People were talking to each other and and and and it was kind of bothersome after about 930.

3250
03:01:28,295 --> 03:01:31,131
Um, but was it unreasonable?

3251
03:01:31,131 --> 03:01:37,300
Um And so We get complaints that we that That.

3252
03:01:37,300 --> 03:01:39,606
We Decide are, you know not reasonable.

3253
03:01:39,606 --> 03:01:43,243
Um, even if They

3254
03:01:43,243 --> 03:01:45,712
We Decide are, you know not reasonable. Um, even if They're technically within bounds, OK?

3255
03:01:45,712 --> 03:01:48,448
It is a subjective decision.

3256
03:01:48,448 --> 03:01:48,782
Um I

3257
03:01:48,782 --> 03:01:57,691
It is a subjective decision. Um I'll have to say that so we have I mean we we have Decided not to find violations for barking dogs.

3258
03:01:57,691 --> 03:01:57,724
We

3259
03:01:57,724 --> 03:02:02,529
not to find violations for barking dogs. We've decided not to find violations for for construction.

3260
03:02:02,529 --> 03:02:03,960
Uh, well, actually, we

3261
03:02:03,960 --> 03:02:10,700
construction. Uh, well, actually, we've never had a complaint about construction and your own house during regular day daytime hours.

3262
03:02:10,103 --> 03:02:11,371
Um, we have we have.

3263
03:02:11,371 --> 03:02:12,973
There was a case where?

3264
03:02:12,973 --> 03:02:24,840
Where is where a school had had, Uh or, uh, educational organization had kids that went outdoors and the kids made noise when they went outdoors.

3265
03:02:24,417 --> 03:02:24,718
We, didn

3266
03:02:24,718 --> 03:02:29,823
kids made noise when they went outdoors. We, didn't we did not find a violation, All right?

3267
03:02:29,823 --> 03:02:34,995
This is a re this is this is what the law calls a reasonable man situation.

3268
03:02:34,995 --> 03:02:38,264
The woman.

3269
03:02:38,264 --> 03:02:38,298
I.

3270
03:02:38,298 --> 03:02:39,332
I greatly appreciate that, And.

3271
03:02:39,332 --> 03:02:39,366
That

3272
03:02:39,366 --> 03:02:39,833
greatly appreciate that, And. That's really That

3273
03:02:39,833 --> 03:02:42,168
greatly appreciate that, And. That's really That's really a relief to hear, uh that it

3274
03:02:42,168 --> 03:02:44,400
That's really That's really a relief to hear, uh that it's subjective when I went to NC PC a.

3275
03:02:44,400 --> 03:02:44,637
I said I.

3276
03:02:44,637 --> 03:02:45,638
I have advice for you.

3277
03:02:45,638 --> 03:02:45,972
If.

3278
03:02:45,972 --> 03:02:46,600
You don

3279
03:02:46,272 --> 03:02:50,243
a. I said I. I have advice for you. If. You don't want to get to get excited for a noise violation.

3280
03:02:50,243 --> 03:02:53,880
You can you can crank your music up as loud as you want to.

3281
03:02:53,880 --> 03:03:01,287
If you keep all if you keep it all indoors and the doors and windows are closed.

3282
03:03:01,287 --> 03:03:01,488
Nobody

3283
03:03:01,488 --> 03:03:01,821
doors and windows are closed. Nobody's gonna complain.

3284
03:03:01,821 --> 03:03:01,988
It doesn

3285
03:03:01,988 --> 03:03:04,858
Nobody's gonna complain. It doesn't matter how high the decibel level is.

3286
03:03:04,858 --> 03:03:05,425
Thank you?

3287
03:03:05,425 --> 03:03:10,300
It has to be at the property line right that this will allow.

3288
03:03:10,263 --> 03:03:10,296
Alright.

3289
03:03:10,296 --> 03:03:10,563
Um, let

3290
03:03:10,563 --> 03:03:12,232
right that this will allow. Alright. Um, let's just start the second by.

3291
03:03:12,232 --> 03:03:13,466
Let

3292
03:03:13,466 --> 03:03:13,566
Alright. Um, let's just start the second by. Let's Let

3293
03:03:13,566 --> 03:03:19,272
Alright. Um, let's just start the second by. Let's Let's do quick because two council you your question about, um U MD.

3294
03:03:19,272 --> 03:03:21,508
I just asked the the city manager because I know I wasn

3295
03:03:21,508 --> 03:03:30,884
just asked the the city manager because I know I wasn't going a little bit crazy, but maybe sometimes, but, um We do have, um MD police to help us with concurrent jurisdiction, But I guess we haven

3296
03:03:30,884 --> 03:03:37,490
concurrent jurisdiction, But I guess we haven't brought him back to the table to talk and discuss about what our expectations are, so I think that

3297
03:03:37,490 --> 03:03:41,694
expectations are, so I think that's something we need to bring them back to the table to manage the expectation.

3298
03:03:41,694 --> 03:03:41,961
Because.

3299
03:03:41,961 --> 03:03:44,531
This is the issue and and we can

3300
03:03:44,531 --> 03:03:47,434
This is the issue and and we can't have the noise board trying to do their work and contract.

3301
03:03:47,434 --> 03:03:49,690
Please try to do their work if we don

3302
03:03:49,369 --> 03:03:54,974
contract. Please try to do their work if we don't have you MD police here at the table as well, So it takes all four entities to work together if we

3303
03:03:54,974 --> 03:03:57,430
entities to work together if we're gonna achieve success.

3304
03:03:57,430 --> 03:03:57,430
So.

3305
03:03:57,143 --> 03:03:58,978
Thank you, um was the second bit.

3306
03:03:58,978 --> 03:03:59,120
It

3307
03:03:59,120 --> 03:04:00,280
Thank you, um was the second bit. It's not a second bite.

3308
03:04:00,280 --> 03:04:00,580
It

3309
03:04:00,580 --> 03:04:05,185
bit. It's not a second bite. It's building on, uh, MM what Miss Mitchell just said sorry.

3310
03:04:05,185 --> 03:04:05,852
But.

3311
03:04:05,852 --> 03:04:06,786
I was just gonna say I

3312
03:04:06,786 --> 03:04:07,454
Miss Mitchell just said sorry. But. I was just gonna say I'll say a second, but go ahead.

3313
03:04:07,454 --> 03:04:09,890
I was going to say just very briefly.

3314
03:04:09,890 --> 03:04:19,999
You know, I Think University of Maryland Police were guards their primary jurisdiction is just that the primary jurisdiction on campus and their concurrent jurisdiction as like.

3315
03:04:19,999 --> 03:04:20,300
A.

3316
03:04:20,300 --> 03:04:20,667
Distant distant second.

3317
03:04:20,667 --> 03:04:32,178
Um In fact you know, I as somebody who lives in the concurrent jurisdiction and we really only see them off campus during spring Break Winter break and sometimes during the summer, So I.

3318
03:04:32,178 --> 03:04:33,179
I think that that

3319
03:04:33,179 --> 03:04:35,448
sometimes during the summer, So I. I think that that's probably why what Mr Young is saying is true is I mean they

3320
03:04:35,448 --> 03:04:37,830
why what Mr Young is saying is true is I mean they're busy on campus, and they

3321
03:04:37,383 --> 03:04:38,751
true is I mean they're busy on campus, and they're shorthanded, too.

3322
03:04:38,751 --> 03:04:43,289
So, um, I suspect Even with 99 Sony officers.

3323
03:04:43,289 --> 03:04:43,490
You think they

3324
03:04:43,490 --> 03:04:47,900
with 99 Sony officers. You think they're short?

3325
03:04:47,861 --> 03:04:49,863
Alright, Um what was the second bias?

3326
03:04:49,863 --> 03:04:53,299
Doctor Esther, right.

3327
03:04:53,299 --> 03:04:53,566
Yes.

3328
03:04:53,566 --> 03:04:55,168
I wanted to ask a question.

3329
03:04:55,168 --> 03:04:59,720
I see how many hearings have been held within a certain period of time?

3330
03:04:59,706 --> 03:05:00,673
How.

3331
03:05:00,673 --> 03:05:06,212
Many complaints would you say, um, are received in a in a year.

3332
03:05:06,212 --> 03:05:11,217
I was just thinking about that, I would say maybe five.

3333
03:05:11,217 --> 03:05:11,851
OK we?

3334
03:05:11,851 --> 03:05:20,222
We get maybe five, but that so As I said the tip of the iceberg We