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This is the SEPTEMBER 3, 2026

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regular meeting of the Fire and

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Police Commission. PRESIDENT

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Commissioners, Burgos Evans

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found Remy Schneider, Spence,

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well, Paterson and myself,

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Commissioner Horwitz also

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present at the see Executive

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Director Leon Tad and Deputy

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Director Jake, who said

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director, please proceed with

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the agenda. Thank you. MADAM

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Chair. Before we proceed with

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the agenda, if I can beg your

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indulgence, I would just like

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to make a brief announcement

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yet. We announcement. I do want

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to say publicly and acknowledge

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that our Deputy director j p

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Usyk will be leaving the fpc

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very shortly. This is his last

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week with the ftc's. He's

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moving on to bigger and better

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things. Has had the honor of

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being appointed a circuit court

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judge for Milwaukee County.

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So he'll be joining the

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judiciary very soon. And I just

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want to one congratulate him on

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that. And also acknowledged

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that this well, it is good for

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him is a no less than great

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This is a a loss for the Fpc

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deputy director Psac has been a

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a great asset to the fpc both

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adviser to myself helping to

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push things forward in terms

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of constitutional police seen

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community in problem oriented

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policing advocating for that

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educating need to a greater

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extent on that. He's been

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fantastic working with the

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staff and he has done a lot

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to improve the fire and police

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commission and push things

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forward here. That said as good

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as deputy director that I think

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I he is. I think he will make

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an even better judge. She's

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going to be fantastic both in

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terms of substantive and

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procedural justice, a

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commitment to fairness and

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equity. And just a top notch

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keen legal minds. So again,

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many thanks a j. Appreciate

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everything you've done and

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congratulations. Thank you.

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Thank you. Director Todd and I

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just want to say a couple of

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words. I know everybody wants

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to get to that microphone

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tonight and to make your

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comments. But and first, I just

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want to think that the ftc

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staff, those most of those

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folks are not transparent.

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He all the they work behind the

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scenes to support the work that

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the board does. It's a it's

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a fairly large full-time staff

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to about 30 people. They do

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tremendous work to both

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oversee, investigate an audit.

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The public safety departments

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here in the city and they do

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really great work in that

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capacity. They also do the

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hiring testing in promoting

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to try to get the best people

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possible into the public safety

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departments. And it's sometimes

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thankless work. It's difficult,

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but it's been a real honor for

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me to be the person that's

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actually primarily what my job

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is. Ben, in this role is to

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help support and guide those

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folks in their work. And I just

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want to call out that work and

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thank them for the dedication

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that they have serving the

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community of Milwaukee also

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wanted to thank the

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commissioners here for the

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dedication and the work that

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they do to try to make sure

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that public safety is honoring

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the best practices that that

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we can find a around the

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country. And finally, I want

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to thank you all. Thank you for

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being here. The enthusiasm, the

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persuasive arguments, the

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passion that you all bring a

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every time this forward meats

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is really needed. And I'm

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always so happy to see all I'm

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glad to see such a big turnout

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here tonight. I really believe

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enforcement and public safety.

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It's a really valuable thing

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for a community to have.

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It doesn't always work

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perfectly right. And we know

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that. But it is something and

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it is important policing in a

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democracy means being

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transparent. With the people

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and it means working with the

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people. It's too figure out

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what law enforcement and

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policing and problem solving

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looks like. For the citizens of

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the community. And this board

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helps tried to. Accomplish that

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and link the community with the

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public safety departments to

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hopefully find ways that the

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department's can conform their

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conduct. What? The needs of the

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people are. So thank you all

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for being here. This wouldn't

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work without you. And so this

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is democracy in action. And

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it's really beautiful to see.

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So happy to see you all.

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It's certainly been a great

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honor for me to serve you all

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and the people of Milwaukee in

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this role. And I'm super

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excited to have the opportunity

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to continue to serve the people

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of Milwaukee County in my new

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role. So thank you all.

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Thank you, Jay. All right.

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We'll move on and get into the

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substance will begin with item

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number one. Public comment for

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those who would like to speak

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and are here in person, please

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come to sit at the front table

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when your name is called.

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If your appearing virtually in

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every registered in advance

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to speak, please use the raise

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my hand feature in the webinar

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tools and unmute yourself when

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called upon to speak. Each

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person will be given up to 5

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minutes to speak. I would

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there's a lot of people here.

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So out of respect for

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everybody, if everybody can

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limit their their statements to

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5 minutes so we can get to

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everybody that would be greatly

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appreciated. And as we usually

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do, we will begin a always do.

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We will begin with people here

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or here in person starting with

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Alondra Garcia.

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Good evening.

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Good evening. When asked that

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of this, my name isn't on that

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icm where PRESIDENT

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Representing both as a lot from

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that on member lead

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organization that fights for

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work or immigrant and student

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rights in Wisconsin. We are

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here to respectfully ask the

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fire and police commission to

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not. We know the city grant

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with Flock. In late JUNE.

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12th through the JULY 4

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weekend, we witnessed our own I

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surge in Milwaukee and

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throughout the state. This

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involved in the majority of

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cases unmarked vehicles

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surrounding and blocking our

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neighbors. So they left their

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homes and on masked and armed

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ice agents breaking windows

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and in some cases using a

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warrant in physical violence

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against people, including

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mothers and fathers who were

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physically mistreated and torn

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away from their children and

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loved ones. Our neighbors are

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not.

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Criminals, but the actions of

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ice are criminal. The continued

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use of excessive force leading

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to murder, followed the I

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search in Milwaukee. How can

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anyone in Milwaukee feel safe

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that the data mpd collects will

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be used to protect them when

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the federal government

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demonstrate its desire to

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implement racist policies and

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the use of violence and claims

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of immunity when so much of our

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personal data is being used

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and exploited for the profit

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and benefit those who already

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have immense power, whether in

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the federal government or

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private corporations, including

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technology and other

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digital data identifies.

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It is my hope that Milwaukee be

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an example of best practices.

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We asked you to vote to not

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when no flock, which would make

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our city less safe. Thank you.

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Kaye Lafond.

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I guess I'll just keep my

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comments brief. I think every

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time I come here and tell you

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how scared I am. I'm getting

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more and more scared. I have

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to imagine you all are as well.

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really particularly dystopian.

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I think I saw that we're gonna

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sign out there.

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It's just long past time to

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just put an end to this.

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This is just too much. I also

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wanted to say

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it's not enough to just ban

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flock, cancel o'clock contract.

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We should be disallowing any

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use of automatic license plate

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reader software in our city.

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I also want to say that the

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recent action to it simply

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limit access to the flock

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database, restricted to

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supervisors brings me no

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comfort and it feels like I do

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kind of like throwing us a bone

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to put us off of our goal, but

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we will not be put off. We will

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not stop until there are no

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more cameras in the city.

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Thank you.

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Emilio to Tory.

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Good evening. Good evening.

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Fire and police commissioners

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and director time. The judge,

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Turner's hope that you had a

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restful AUGUST.

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The mayor's proposed changes to

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police officers access to the

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flock. Surveillance cameras

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aren't surprising considering

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the overwhelming public outrage

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is more and more examples of

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law enforcement misuse of this

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mass surveillance tool come out

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every week. We've seen rampant

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abuse not only within the

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Milwaukee Police Department,

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but even in the I d and in

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cities across Wisconsin, in

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the country misuse of flock,

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surveillance systems is so

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pervasive. The national

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investigation was just launched

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by the U.S. Senate Judiciary

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Committee.

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Milwaukee's flock failures have

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caused national headlines

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showing it doesn't seem

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possible to keep this mass

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surveillance system out of the

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hands of unethical people who

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use it to terrorized women.

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They're sworn to protect the

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mayor's recent proposal is a

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last-ditch attempt to convince

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Milwaukee that the ongoing

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threat of officer abuse of

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flock can be fixed with just a

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few little tweaks. That is

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nothing wrong with mass

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surveillance. On top of this

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national outcry, the city is

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preparing to hold more than a

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dozen budget hearings in the

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next 2 months. The Common

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Council and the recent letter

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to the mpd in the Fpc indicated

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that the police department's

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continued problems with

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officers abusing flock must be

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addressed before takes up the

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budget. The mayor will soon

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propose can the mayor and the

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chief really just have a chat

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and skip the Fpc and Common

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Council whose job is to ensure

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that the department is

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accountable for the use of its

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surveillance tools. We can't

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have public safety without the

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public. Slight changes in

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procedure aren't enough to

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protect the people of Milwaukee

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from this constant

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surveillance. Milwaukee needs

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assurances that mpd and the

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city will end their contract

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and data sharing with flock.

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According to the most recent

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data from ipv m and the company

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that makes unknowns flock

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flock, scans, everyone, not

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just suspects. That's a quote.

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Fox on figure of 20 billion

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monthly reads across more than

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5,000 agencies means the

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average American vehicles red

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roughly 70 times per month.

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This mass surveillance tactic

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is just not acceptable. The

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mpd and mayor suggested changes

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will do nothing to mitigate

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this. Equally troubling is how

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the mpd escorted review by the

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public Fpc in the Public Safety

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Committee by having the

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purchasing Department of the

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Department of Administration

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approve exceptions to bidding

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and waivers of financial

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finance and personnel committee

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approval for single source

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contracts in an apparent

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attempt to perpetually purchase

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new flock equipment and renew

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their contract with flock over

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and over again. They do this

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because there are exceptions

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to city charter section 16.

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0, 5, 0, 2, which covers

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purchasing and competitive

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bidding. With contracts to be

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approved by the Finance and

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Personnel Committee. It was

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called to fight to ensure that

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service agreements abide by

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public and open competitive

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selection process is and public

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scrutiny to ensure money is

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being spent fairly. However,

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an agency can file exceptions

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to bid forms and waivers if the

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things being purchased for less

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than $50,000 where they are

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proprietary approved waivers

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and exceptions think it folded

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into a big pile of things that

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don't necessarily cross the

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desks of the fpc or public

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safety. Why? Because the

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purchasing division of the

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Department of Administration

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has been granting these waivers

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and exceptions according to

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Section 16. 0, 5, 0, 4, a which

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allows us so now Rhonda Kelsey

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over purchasing among others, a

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deal way have indefinitely

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extended impede his

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relationship with flock to

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these loopholes. This happened

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multiple times in 2022. 23.

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24 25 and it's probably

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happening again now. I believe

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the police are being coached to

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do this by flock. These types

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of tactics. And there it is.

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a broadly discussed in flocks

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guide entitled how to speak to

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the city council's about public

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safety technology. We're

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morbidly instructs police to

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own the narrative before

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someone else does. The handbook

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highlights how flocking police

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can team up to convince cities

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to buy and keep its

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surveillance technology.

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Even when there is widespread

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public opposition to it.

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And let's be real flocks

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lobbying and government

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strategy. Teams will fund and

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world class they have. Brian.

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Lots of the former

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communications director for

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PRESIDENT Trump's 2016

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transition team. They work with

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the bgr group, one of the

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largest and wealthiest on the

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planet and among others, Kevin

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Kane, who was YouTube,

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government affairs director in

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the public policy director

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lobbyist for Twitter before

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that. So imagine how they can

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advise police to get what they

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want. And so I ask you, has the

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mpd again applied for

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exceptions to bidding and

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waivers to committee approval

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for a single source. Contracts

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like flock, according to the

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records they do this months in

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advance, which would put us

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near the date where they would

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have asked is this recent

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announcement from the mayor's

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office just so much pr to keep

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the contract? Can the fpc make

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a recommendation that the

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police department notified them

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immediately and publicly when

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they're going to apply for

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exceptions to bidding waivers

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before applying for them so

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that the civilian oversight

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body and the body and the me

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to wear the ftc needs to

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recommend that the mp the end

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and not renew a contract with

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flock or any other automated

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surveillance like it. How mpd

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has been doing it seems to

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circumnavigate the very core of

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what public oversight is

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supposed to be. Its yield go

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daddy. And Mommy says no rooms.

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The recent letter from the

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mayor and police about a new

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guardrails is not binding, not

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transparent, does not protect

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us from federal access to all

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this data and not believable

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considering how we've seen it

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exploded everywhere already

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this easily be used technology

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and sneaky way. It's been

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renewed over and over again

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reaffirms our conviction that

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Milwaukee was and diction to

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mass surveillance and not renew

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the contract with Flock.

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Thank you

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earthquake.

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Good evening. My name is Amanda

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Mark. Weigh in on the policy

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and advocacy director for the

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aclu of Wisconsin. And as I

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described from this chair many

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times, Milwaukee surveillance

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infrastructure is a sprawling

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Penndot to come. In addition

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to flock to an attack in Axon

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Alprs mpd serve ails us with

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cell site simulators, alternate

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stingrays, gun shot detection,

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microphones, drones, open

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source intelligence tools

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scraping the Internet for

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personal data in Geo-fencing

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data including data extracted

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from the dark Web. Her

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reporting on a contract and

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entities community connect

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integrated public and private

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surveillance camera network

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through an axon product called

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few sus 1200. And 25 life.

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He cameras blanketing the city

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that mpd can perform.

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Ai-powered image recognition

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searches like woman Maroon

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jacket with within a particular

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radius. Stingrays are only

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supposed to be used with a

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warrant, but mpd has so key

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for those. All the other stuff

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I listed and he deploys without

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a warrant supported by probable

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cause. Most of this dystopian

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technology was acquired as has

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been mentioned through no-bid

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sole source contracts that

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bypassed the Common Council's

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approval. And it relies on

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these rubber stamp sign-ups

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from the apartment

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administration purchasing

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division to obtain terrifyingly

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powerful, integrated artificial

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intelligence driven

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surveillance tech without

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Milwaukee residents knowledge

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let alone consent if you sis

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sole source contract, no stop

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open source intelligence, no

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stop stingrays. Sole source

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contract, no stop. And then we

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have flock, sole source

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contract.

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It's interesting to see the

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mayor take action now. That

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Flock is a political liability

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last year when it came to light

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that mpd use facial recognition

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technology for at least 5 years

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in secret without a policy in

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place. The mayor said he was

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supportive of thoughtful

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application of effort. He by

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mpd in FEBRUARY when former

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mpd officer host, we made

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national headlines for

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searching Flock 129 times.

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The stock is partner and her ex

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crickets from the mayor on

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March 5th, this room was packed

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with people tested and

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testifying against Flock on

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MARCH. 11th for members of the

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Common Council sent a letter

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to the ftc with urgent concerns

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regarding Flock. Another

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surveillance second, Milwaukee

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in JULY when criminal charges

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were filed against mpd,

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internal affairs detective

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tried to Chapman for allegedly

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using flock to track to

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people's locations. The mayor

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said he still supports the use

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of flock and quote, we should

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embrace technology and policing

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when it's done the right way.

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In Wisconsin since DECEMBER.

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Appleton, Ashland, should tech

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Dane County Fitchburg Grand

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Chute, Kenosha, Kaukauna, uw

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Madison Police. Mcfarland

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Marinette nationally Scott

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Sheboygan, Stout and student

576
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Sturgeon Bay Verona and Racine

577
00:17:45,561 --> 00:17:46,261
have either canceled or not.

578
00:17:46,261 --> 00:17:47,361
Renewed flock contracts begged

579
00:17:47,361 --> 00:17:49,564
cameras are taking steps

580
00:17:49,564 --> 00:17:51,432
towards canceling a contract

581
00:17:51,432 --> 00:17:52,967
news that broke when we were

582
00:17:52,967 --> 00:17:53,634
just waiting in the hallway

583
00:17:53,634 --> 00:17:54,902
about why Sheboygan abruptly

584
00:17:54,902 --> 00:17:56,772
bagged their cameras and are

585
00:17:56,772 --> 00:17:57,438
working to cancel the contract

586
00:17:57,438 --> 00:17:59,475
earlier this summer, a flock

587
00:17:59,475 --> 00:18:01,343
sales rep reached out to

588
00:18:01,343 --> 00:18:03,343
Sheboygan. Is engineering

589
00:18:03,444 --> 00:18:04,447
department offering to sell the

590
00:18:04,447 --> 00:18:05,948
city 5 years worth of data on

591
00:18:05,948 --> 00:18:08,348
traffic speeds and movements

592
00:18:09,651 --> 00:18:10,619
captured by these flock cameras

593
00:18:10,619 --> 00:18:11,252
in the city of Sheboygan, which

594
00:18:11,252 --> 00:18:14,252
was news to Sheboygan. The

595
00:18:15,323 --> 00:18:16,225
flock was even collecting any

596
00:18:16,225 --> 00:18:17,158
of that data for years on

597
00:18:17,158 --> 00:18:17,893
AUGUST. 25th 12 of the 15

598
00:18:17,893 --> 00:18:18,560
members of the Milwaukee Common

599
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,497
Council sent a letter to mpd

600
00:18:21,497 --> 00:18:24,500
and the Fpc about flock with

601
00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:25,567
a request for data. And there's

602
00:18:25,567 --> 00:18:26,602
some very specific reforms on

603
00:18:26,602 --> 00:18:27,269
AUGUST. 28th Texas Governor

604
00:18:27,269 --> 00:18:29,272
Greg Abbott announced he was

605
00:18:29,272 --> 00:18:31,206
blocking state agencies from

606
00:18:31,206 --> 00:18:32,241
spending money on flock cameras

607
00:18:32,241 --> 00:18:33,743
on AUGUST 31st. Florida

608
00:18:33,743 --> 00:18:36,143
Governor Ron DeSantis ordered

609
00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:38,814
the state dot to revoke alpr

610
00:18:38,814 --> 00:18:39,448
permits on

611
00:18:39,448 --> 00:18:40,116
state roads then on AUGUST

612
00:18:40,116 --> 00:18:42,152
31st. Mayor Johnson issued a

613
00:18:42,152 --> 00:18:44,552
press release about changes

614
00:18:45,288 --> 00:18:47,157
and how mpd uses flock. Nothing

615
00:18:47,157 --> 00:18:47,858
codified and stop. It's Common

616
00:18:47,858 --> 00:18:48,558
Council Finance Chair Dimitri

617
00:18:48,558 --> 00:18:51,260
much told urban Milwaukee she

618
00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:52,528
doesn't, quote, legislate by a

619
00:18:52,528 --> 00:18:53,195
letter.

620
00:18:53,195 --> 00:18:55,497
Chief Norman told the press

621
00:18:55,497 --> 00:18:56,299
that he still a little confused

622
00:18:56,299 --> 00:18:56,932
about why I said mpd needs to

623
00:18:56,932 --> 00:18:59,932
get a warrant supported by

624
00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:00,702
probable cause for Al pr use,

625
00:19:00,702 --> 00:19:03,380
end quote, How a warrant would

626
00:19:03,380 --> 00:19:04,600
address a real-time situation.

627
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:04,741
The vehicle's movements

628
00:19:04,741 --> 00:19:08,341
learning in regard to that this

629
00:19:08,511 --> 00:19:10,480
is all a public space end

630
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,348
quote. I'm a little Chief

631
00:19:12,348 --> 00:19:13,830
Norman, thanks from a 4th

632
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:13,749
Amendment perspective. The mp's

633
00:19:13,749 --> 00:19:16,149
dragnet collection of likely

634
00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:18,154
millions of images of vehicles

635
00:19:18,154 --> 00:19:18,922
and plates of people driving to

636
00:19:18,922 --> 00:19:19,422
work to church, to protests, to

637
00:19:19,422 --> 00:19:21,422
events, to medical

638
00:19:23,860 --> 00:19:24,562
appointments, to union meetings

639
00:19:24,562 --> 00:19:25,261
in this city, their store by a

640
00:19:25,261 --> 00:19:26,764
multi-billion dollar company.

641
00:19:26,764 --> 00:19:27,598
For ai ai powered searches and

642
00:19:27,598 --> 00:19:28,231
predictive analytics. It's no

643
00:19:28,231 --> 00:19:30,631
different than an officer

644
00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:31,735
standing on the corner, writing

645
00:19:31,735 --> 00:19:33,470
down plate numbers. The Fpc,

646
00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:36,340
the Common Council, the mayor

647
00:19:36,340 --> 00:19:39,342
and mpd. Please get rid of this

648
00:19:39,342 --> 00:19:39,977
dangerous contract and also

649
00:19:39,977 --> 00:19:41,244
begging you for very basic

650
00:19:41,244 --> 00:19:41,845
transparency and democracy in

651
00:19:41,845 --> 00:19:43,845
the policymaking process

652
00:19:44,348 --> 00:19:45,248
surrounding all surveillance

653
00:19:45,248 --> 00:19:46,316
tech acquisition, a commitment

654
00:19:46,316 --> 00:19:47,151
that ultimately ensures our

655
00:19:47,151 --> 00:19:49,151
community's future remains

656
00:19:50,453 --> 00:19:53,624
rooted in the consent of the

657
00:19:53,624 --> 00:19:55,624
governed. Thank you.

658
00:20:04,434 --> 00:20:06,834
The Poli in Jones.

659
00:20:26,657 --> 00:20:27,258
It probably wonder how got this

660
00:20:27,258 --> 00:20:30,195
picture right? I found a

661
00:20:30,195 --> 00:20:33,640
citizens complaint and this is

662
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,464
what happened. In Waukesha

663
00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:39,267
County. I'm just going to read

664
00:20:42,407 --> 00:20:43,740
some of my. Documents from my

665
00:20:43,740 --> 00:20:43,774
This is from Lieutenant Ken

666
00:20:43,774 --> 00:20:46,278
Krause. He took Captain Panas

667
00:20:46,278 --> 00:20:49,278
and the tenant Corey Farrell.

668
00:20:52,516 --> 00:20:54,516
County Sheriff?

669
00:20:55,220 --> 00:20:56,221
So I was I was put over in a

670
00:20:56,221 --> 00:20:56,822
private parking lot. Start with

671
00:20:56,822 --> 00:20:59,560
that advise him that the

672
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:00,125
parking lot was public property

673
00:21:00,125 --> 00:21:01,726
that a tie. I advised him that

674
00:21:01,726 --> 00:21:02,359
the parking that was not public

675
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,759
property that is privately

676
00:21:07,833 --> 00:21:08,533
owned and up with open for

677
00:21:08,533 --> 00:21:11,602
public use. I'm just going to

678
00:21:11,602 --> 00:21:14,602
skip some part 2 to about 5

679
00:21:19,543 --> 00:21:20,312
Deputy Shayhorn was advised

680
00:21:20,312 --> 00:21:21,412
that he did not have a lawful

681
00:21:21,412 --> 00:21:22,114
traffic stopped us. The suspect

682
00:21:22,114 --> 00:21:24,150
cannot be compelled to provide

683
00:21:24,150 --> 00:21:24,649
his identification and it was

684
00:21:24,649 --> 00:21:27,490
not a consensual encounter

685
00:21:27,452 --> 00:21:29,852
since he activated his

686
00:21:32,190 --> 00:21:33,258
emergency lights.

687
00:21:33,258 --> 00:21:36,258
And that's crazy. Because then

688
00:21:38,398 --> 00:21:39,310
on JUNE, 11th get something

689
00:21:39,310 --> 00:21:40,601
from the captain saying my

690
00:21:40,601 --> 00:21:41,566
allegation, you allege to a

691
00:21:41,566 --> 00:21:42,835
traffic stop was conducted

692
00:21:42,835 --> 00:21:43,535
without causing arrested

693
00:21:43,535 --> 00:21:45,137
without probable cause and it

694
00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:48,737
was unfounded. I'm not going to

695
00:21:49,975 --> 00:21:51,943
be more of that. This is

696
00:21:51,943 --> 00:21:54,943
This comes from the Waukesha

697
00:21:56,516 --> 00:21:58,250
County Sheriff's. These are

698
00:21:58,250 --> 00:21:58,950
flock records. I did a citizens

699
00:21:58,950 --> 00:22:02,154
complaint and I met with being

700
00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:03,880
tracked on flock, hundreds and

701
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,880
hundreds of times.

702
00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:07,726
The deputy involved at my

703
00:22:07,726 --> 00:22:08,827
lawsuit is about is the one who

704
00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:09,528
is conducting a lot of these

705
00:22:09,528 --> 00:22:11,928
searches, the lieutenant, his

706
00:22:12,397 --> 00:22:15,997
lieutenant is the one who told

707
00:22:19,138 --> 00:22:21,700
him to do it.

708
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:24,310
179 times on JUNE 10th I was

709
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:27,310
arrested. MAY 4th released with

710
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,480
no charges.

711
00:22:38,325 --> 00:22:39,250
And only had temporary license

712
00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:39,692
plates at the time too on MAY

713
00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:42,562
4th, I'm just going to go to

714
00:22:42,562 --> 00:22:46,162
one of the last pages here.

715
00:22:49,302 --> 00:22:51,302
JUNE 10th.

716
00:22:52,605 --> 00:22:55,109
My license plate on my 2020 bmw

717
00:22:55,109 --> 00:22:55,975
is bb 8.24 0, 9,

718
00:22:55,975 --> 00:22:58,975
JUNE 10. The research is JUNE

719
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:00,948
10th researches JUNE 10th, the

720
00:23:00,948 --> 00:23:02,948
179 searches.

721
00:23:04,118 --> 00:23:06,118
JUNE 10th, another 179

722
00:23:07,287 --> 00:23:09,287
searches.

723
00:23:09,957 --> 00:23:13,226
And you guys just think that

724
00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:15,129
you guys are just like letting

725
00:23:15,129 --> 00:23:18,432
people do this and it happened

726
00:23:18,432 --> 00:23:20,535
in Waukesha County. It happened

727
00:23:20,535 --> 00:23:22,568
here. We see it.

728
00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:23,202
You've got people in court are

729
00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:26,206
ready for it. And you guys

730
00:23:26,206 --> 00:23:29,420
still want to have this stuff.

731
00:23:29,420 --> 00:23:29,543
It's not going to happen to

732
00:23:29,543 --> 00:23:29,618
Look where the f#

733
00:23:29,618 --> 00:23:29,695
#

734
00:23:29,695 --> 00:23:31,695
#

735
00:23:32,146 --> 00:23:34,146
your son.

736
00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:42,820
I happen to him because

737
00:23:43,123 --> 00:23:46,123
he's black. That's the only

738
00:23:46,326 --> 00:23:48,326
Thank you.

739
00:23:53,334 --> 00:23:55,770
I can record a traffic stop

740
00:23:55,770 --> 00:23:56,703
my own hometown in Sussex.

741
00:23:56,703 --> 00:23:57,371
I can't file a citizens

742
00:23:57,371 --> 00:24:00,371
complaint and think that the

743
00:24:01,276 --> 00:24:01,909
process is going to go smoothly

744
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:02,510
because there's lieutenant

745
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:05,112
given orders to a patrol

746
00:24:05,112 --> 00:24:07,512
officer to investigate himself.

747
00:24:10,217 --> 00:24:13,217
Is that happening here? In

748
00:24:13,321 --> 00:24:15,721
Milwaukee? Is it happening?

749
00:24:16,624 --> 00:24:19,793
I know you guys are going to

750
00:24:19,793 --> 00:24:21,793
say anything.

751
00:24:25,734 --> 00:24:26,967
How much time to have left his

752
00:24:26,967 --> 00:24:28,967
90 or 50 seconds left.

753
00:24:30,238 --> 00:24:32,507
This is my jail wrist band

754
00:24:32,507 --> 00:24:33,750
right here.

755
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:33,149
It was a record. A f#

756
00:24:33,149 --> 00:24:33,230
#

757
00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:33,308
#

758
00:24:33,308 --> 00:24:33,379
#

759
00:24:33,379 --> 00:24:33,457
#

760
00:24:33,457 --> 00:24:35,457
#

761
00:24:39,114 --> 00:24:40,248
video on my phone. And this is

762
00:24:40,248 --> 00:24:42,118
what happens.

763
00:24:42,118 --> 00:24:45,718
At least you guys, you guys

764
00:24:47,388 --> 00:24:50,388
have dash cams. All right.

765
00:24:54,796 --> 00:24:55,830
Back to blow into happens to

766
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:57,632
you. Jay, back the bullet to

767
00:24:57,632 --> 00:24:58,334
the happens to you. Kristie,

768
00:24:58,334 --> 00:24:59,670
back. The blue into happens to

769
00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:00,770
Merriam back. The blue into

770
00:25:00,770 --> 00:25:01,470
happens to you, Leon. Back the

771
00:25:01,470 --> 00:25:02,104
blue until it happens to you.

772
00:25:02,104 --> 00:25:04,504
Christopher, back the blue

773
00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:08,439
until it happens to you, Jeff.

774
00:25:13,215 --> 00:25:16,215
We just sitting there smirking

775
00:25:16,351 --> 00:25:16,986
like this. It's funny. No, it's

776
00:25:16,986 --> 00:25:17,453
not funny. I know it's not

777
00:25:17,453 --> 00:25:17,540
young. Got a f#

778
00:25:17,540 --> 00:25:17,613
#

779
00:25:17,613 --> 00:25:17,697
#

780
00:25:17,697 --> 00:25:17,774
#

781
00:25:17,774 --> 00:25:17,849
#

782
00:25:17,849 --> 00:25:17,987
#

783
00:25:17,987 --> 00:25:19,987
deal with

784
00:25:20,122 --> 00:25:23,426
the mental health issues that I

785
00:25:23,426 --> 00:25:26,729
have. Okay. You're out of order

786
00:25:26,729 --> 00:25:29,729
and you're out time. Yeah.

787
00:25:47,249 --> 00:25:49,249
Rachel. Ida buff.

788
00:25:53,722 --> 00:25:55,580
Good evening. Good evening,

789
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:55,724
everybody. I'm resigned.

790
00:25:55,724 --> 00:25:56,326
Been a history professor and

791
00:25:56,326 --> 00:25:58,160
I'll be brief and I know

792
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,560
there's 2 things to actually

793
00:26:01,363 --> 00:26:03,999
go together. This is a one of

794
00:26:03,999 --> 00:26:05,468
the oldest oversight

795
00:26:05,468 --> 00:26:06,102
commissions in the country,

796
00:26:06,102 --> 00:26:09,390
which is a noble and proud

797
00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:10,139
tradition because it says that

798
00:26:10,139 --> 00:26:11,841
we think the police need

799
00:26:11,841 --> 00:26:13,442
watching, but we think we

800
00:26:13,442 --> 00:26:15,110
should not let the police act

801
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:17,411
without having citizen input

802
00:26:19,316 --> 00:26:19,916
that having citizen oversight.

803
00:26:19,916 --> 00:26:21,618
That's really important.

804
00:26:21,618 --> 00:26:23,819
The notion of public safety

805
00:26:23,819 --> 00:26:26,456
with which you are charged is

806
00:26:26,456 --> 00:26:28,456
transforming radically. We're

807
00:26:28,526 --> 00:26:31,526
at an inflection point where

808
00:26:31,627 --> 00:26:33,497
technology like flock, an ai

809
00:26:33,497 --> 00:26:34,664
threatens all of our basic

810
00:26:34,664 --> 00:26:35,600
liberties. People have been

811
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,299
much more specific about the

812
00:26:36,299 --> 00:26:38,635
4th Amendment and the various

813
00:26:38,635 --> 00:26:41,635
amendments that stakes and I'm

814
00:26:41,739 --> 00:26:44,441
going to be right now. But you

815
00:26:44,441 --> 00:26:47,177
must take seriously the notion

816
00:26:47,177 --> 00:26:47,812
that we need to be tech

817
00:26:47,812 --> 00:26:50,212
protected from the safety

818
00:26:50,747 --> 00:26:54,347
technology is not by the safety

819
00:26:54,751 --> 00:26:55,686
technology.

820
00:26:55,686 --> 00:26:57,187
They pose the

821
00:26:57,187 --> 00:26:59,257
greatest threat to what we what

822
00:26:59,257 --> 00:27:00,557
we think of as our freedom in

823
00:27:00,557 --> 00:27:01,259
this country to First Amendment

824
00:27:01,259 --> 00:27:03,194
second. That's 4th Amendment.

825
00:27:03,194 --> 00:27:05,962
All the things that protect us

826
00:27:05,962 --> 00:27:06,597
10th amendment are being in

827
00:27:06,597 --> 00:27:07,898
for infringed upon and the

828
00:27:07,898 --> 00:27:10,935
woman he used the phrase just

829
00:27:10,935 --> 00:27:14,806
hope in. I think all the time

830
00:27:14,806 --> 00:27:17,774
now about the weird horrible

831
00:27:17,774 --> 00:27:18,676
trifecta of ai flock and

832
00:27:18,676 --> 00:27:21,760
policing and incarceration of

833
00:27:21,545 --> 00:27:22,213
our neighbors and and and

834
00:27:22,213 --> 00:27:25,116
colleagues and friends and I

835
00:27:25,116 --> 00:27:28,286
thank you to intervene in this

836
00:27:28,286 --> 00:27:30,286
deadly system.

837
00:27:46,604 --> 00:27:48,140
Started, I want to make a stay

838
00:27:48,140 --> 00:27:50,540
That's coming after me.

839
00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:58,380
Dollars. 15 minutes late start.

840
00:27:58,984 --> 00:28:01,984
5 minute, but this is costly.

841
00:28:05,858 --> 00:28:08,858
Sure how they are, right.

842
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:10,328
Tell you all what we want to

843
00:28:10,328 --> 00:28:11,963
hear. So I want to just put

844
00:28:11,963 --> 00:28:12,598
that out there. This is not

845
00:28:12,598 --> 00:28:15,500
democracy. This is a damp

846
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:17,900
control situations and it

847
00:28:18,670 --> 00:28:20,670
shouldn't be.

848
00:28:26,278 --> 00:28:26,845
Regarding the flock automated

849
00:28:26,845 --> 00:28:28,845
license plate readers,

850
00:28:29,147 --> 00:28:31,147
constitutional rights, public

851
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:34,119
safety in public trust. Good

852
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,120
evening. My name is the mice's

853
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,224
and I am here as a member of

854
00:28:39,224 --> 00:28:41,326
the public to to consider a

855
00:28:41,326 --> 00:28:43,195
fundamental question. What does

856
00:28:43,195 --> 00:28:44,696
public safety mean if the

857
00:28:44,696 --> 00:28:45,297
methods used to achieve?

858
00:28:45,297 --> 00:28:46,899
It undermines the right

859
00:28:46,899 --> 00:28:49,899
dignity, privacy and trust of

860
00:28:50,670 --> 00:28:51,337
the very people. Governor man

861
00:28:51,337 --> 00:28:51,970
is supposed to protect. I'm

862
00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:54,970
asking the fire and police

863
00:28:55,374 --> 00:28:58,770
commission to and the use of

864
00:28:58,770 --> 00:28:58,645
fox Safety and other automated

865
00:28:58,645 --> 00:28:59,245
license plate readers

866
00:28:59,245 --> 00:29:00,790
surveillance systems in

867
00:29:00,790 --> 00:29:01,780
Milwaukee. This is not an

868
00:29:01,780 --> 00:29:02,448
argument against public safety.

869
00:29:02,448 --> 00:29:06,480
It is an argument for public

870
00:29:06,251 --> 00:29:08,200
safety that remain accountable

871
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:08,754
to the public. Milwaukee has

872
00:29:08,754 --> 00:29:10,754
already experienced serious

873
00:29:10,824 --> 00:29:12,691
concerns regarding the use and

874
00:29:12,691 --> 00:29:13,660
potential misuse of flock

875
00:29:13,660 --> 00:29:16,600
technology. In MARCH, members

876
00:29:16,328 --> 00:29:19,328
of the Common Council warned

877
00:29:19,432 --> 00:29:20,699
the Fpc that an officer alleged

878
00:29:20,699 --> 00:29:21,334
misuse of the technology for

879
00:29:21,334 --> 00:29:23,334
stalking system, systemic

880
00:29:24,636 --> 00:29:25,271
oversight problem, not merely

881
00:29:25,271 --> 00:29:27,671
an isolated failure. They

882
00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:29,760
specifically raised concerns

883
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,760
about tracking movement

884
00:29:31,377 --> 00:29:33,347
patterns, sensitive location,

885
00:29:33,347 --> 00:29:34,281
information, inadequate or

886
00:29:34,281 --> 00:29:35,148
editing and the potential

887
00:29:35,148 --> 00:29:35,849
impact on survivors of the best

888
00:29:35,849 --> 00:29:37,350
domestic violence, journalist,

889
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:39,350
advocates or ordinary

890
00:29:41,287 --> 00:29:43,189
residents. Daschle make a stop

891
00:29:43,189 --> 00:29:43,823
and think if a technology can

892
00:29:43,823 --> 00:29:46,192
create a searchable record

893
00:29:46,192 --> 00:29:47,940
where people travel, who they

894
00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:47,694
associate with, where they

895
00:29:47,694 --> 00:29:49,697
worship, where they seek

896
00:29:49,697 --> 00:29:50,396
medical care, where they work,

897
00:29:50,396 --> 00:29:52,699
where they protest, where they

898
00:29:52,699 --> 00:29:53,701
organize and where they spend

899
00:29:53,701 --> 00:29:55,569
their private lives. Then we

900
00:29:55,569 --> 00:29:56,669
are no longer talking about an

901
00:29:56,669 --> 00:29:57,471
ordinary camera. We are talking

902
00:29:57,471 --> 00:30:00,471
about a system capable of

903
00:30:00,774 --> 00:30:02,709
creating a digital map of human

904
00:30:02,709 --> 00:30:04,577
movement.

905
00:30:04,577 --> 00:30:06,646
And once that information is

906
00:30:06,646 --> 00:30:09,646
the question is not simply

907
00:30:09,683 --> 00:30:11,519
can't it help solve crimes?

908
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:13,654
The question must also be who

909
00:30:13,654 --> 00:30:15,622
conservative, who can share it?

910
00:30:15,622 --> 00:30:18,993
How long does it exist? Who has

911
00:30:18,993 --> 00:30:19,526
what happens when the system

912
00:30:19,526 --> 00:30:21,526
is wrong? Artificial

913
00:30:21,961 --> 00:30:23,897
intelligence cannot replace

914
00:30:23,897 --> 00:30:24,999
human intelligence. We are

915
00:30:24,999 --> 00:30:27,100
entering an era where

916
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:27,634
artificial intelligence is

917
00:30:27,634 --> 00:30:28,268
increasingly being used to

918
00:30:28,268 --> 00:30:30,300
interpret human activity.

919
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:30,805
But artificial intelligence

920
00:30:30,805 --> 00:30:33,205
does not possess human

921
00:30:34,575 --> 00:30:35,608
conscious. It does not possess

922
00:30:35,608 --> 00:30:37,744
natural wisdom. It does not

923
00:30:37,744 --> 00:30:38,679
understand human dignity.

924
00:30:38,679 --> 00:30:40,314
It does not understand the

925
00:30:40,314 --> 00:30:40,815
circumstances of a person's

926
00:30:40,815 --> 00:30:43,215
life and it cannot

927
00:30:44,351 --> 00:30:45,386
independently determine what is

928
00:30:45,386 --> 00:30:47,421
morally just technology can

929
00:30:47,421 --> 00:30:49,423
identify a vehicle. It cannot

930
00:30:49,423 --> 00:30:50,458
determine a person's character.

931
00:30:50,458 --> 00:30:52,526
Technology can identify a

932
00:30:52,526 --> 00:30:54,463
pattern. It cannot determine

933
00:30:54,463 --> 00:30:55,797
whether that pattern is

934
00:30:55,797 --> 00:30:56,465
innocent. Technology can

935
00:30:56,465 --> 00:30:58,866
generate an alert. It cannot

936
00:30:58,866 --> 00:30:59,768
carry the more responsibility

937
00:30:59,768 --> 00:31:00,902
for what happens after that

938
00:31:00,902 --> 00:31:02,902
alert. That responsibility

939
00:31:04,505 --> 00:31:06,340
belongs to human beings and

940
00:31:06,340 --> 00:31:07,700
government power. We should

941
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,700
never allow technology

942
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:10,945
capability to become the

943
00:31:10,945 --> 00:31:12,114
justification for government

944
00:31:12,114 --> 00:31:13,114
authority. The fact that

945
00:31:13,114 --> 00:31:13,982
government can collect

946
00:31:13,982 --> 00:31:15,982
information does not

947
00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:19,453
automatically mean government

948
00:31:19,453 --> 00:31:21,523
Safety must include the

949
00:31:21,523 --> 00:31:22,324
flock an assist law enforcement

950
00:31:22,324 --> 00:31:24,724
in locating stolen vehicles,

951
00:31:26,228 --> 00:31:26,861
missing people as suspects and

952
00:31:26,861 --> 00:31:27,595
serious crimes. Even Mayor

953
00:31:27,595 --> 00:31:31,195
Johnson has point is the second

954
00:31:31,366 --> 00:31:33,568
says and wished the technology

955
00:31:33,568 --> 00:31:35,437
has assist investigations but

956
00:31:35,437 --> 00:31:38,437
cannot be the only measurement.

957
00:31:38,473 --> 00:31:41,377
A government program must also

958
00:31:41,377 --> 00:31:42,110
be evaluated by necessity.

959
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:42,712
Proportionality, accuracy,

960
00:31:42,712 --> 00:31:44,446
accountability, transparency,

961
00:31:44,446 --> 00:31:46,248
constitutional compatibility

962
00:31:46,248 --> 00:31:47,316
and its effect on innocent

963
00:31:47,316 --> 00:31:48,885
people. We cannot create a

964
00:31:48,885 --> 00:31:49,418
system where everyone because

965
00:31:49,418 --> 00:31:51,818
part of a permanent

966
00:31:52,421 --> 00:31:53,522
surveillance infrastructure

967
00:31:53,522 --> 00:31:54,489
simply because some people

968
00:31:54,489 --> 00:31:55,657
commit crimes, the nsa should

969
00:31:55,657 --> 00:31:57,726
not have to surrender their

970
00:31:57,726 --> 00:32:01,326
privacy as the price of living

971
00:32:02,164 --> 00:32:02,864
in a supposedly free society.

972
00:32:02,864 --> 00:32:03,566
Right? Should not depend upon

973
00:32:03,566 --> 00:32:05,867
government convenience. Our at

974
00:32:05,867 --> 00:32:07,350
tradition recognizes

975
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:07,870
protections against

976
00:32:07,870 --> 00:32:08,971
unreasonable government

977
00:32:08,971 --> 00:32:09,472
searches and seizures. The 4th

978
00:32:09,472 --> 00:32:11,872
Amendment is not a

979
00:32:12,275 --> 00:32:14,242
technological document. It is

980
00:32:14,242 --> 00:32:16,245
a principle it exists because

981
00:32:16,245 --> 00:32:17,212
government power must have

982
00:32:17,212 --> 00:32:17,946
boundaries. And Wisconsin's

983
00:32:17,946 --> 00:32:20,946
all constitution the clear that

984
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:21,817
people have the right to be

985
00:32:21,817 --> 00:32:22,518
secure in their persons.

986
00:32:22,518 --> 00:32:25,518
Houses had papers and effects

987
00:32:25,855 --> 00:32:26,590
against unreasonable searches

988
00:32:26,590 --> 00:32:27,157
and seizures as technology

989
00:32:27,157 --> 00:32:29,157
changes the principle

990
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:30,760
protecting human being should

991
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,395
not become weaker. If anything,

992
00:32:32,395 --> 00:32:34,395
increasingly powerful

993
00:32:35,299 --> 00:32:36,232
technology requires a stronger,

994
00:32:36,232 --> 00:32:37,266
stronger, say bars. All right.

995
00:32:37,266 --> 00:32:39,535
Should not disappear simply

996
00:32:39,535 --> 00:32:41,535
because surveillance technology

997
00:32:44,307 --> 00:32:44,941
has become more sophisticated

998
00:32:44,941 --> 00:32:46,576
natural law and common law

999
00:32:46,576 --> 00:32:47,143
principles. I also ask this

1000
00:32:47,143 --> 00:32:49,143
commission to consider

1001
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:51,415
something beyond statutes and

1002
00:32:51,415 --> 00:32:53,449
policies. What is right before

1003
00:32:53,449 --> 00:32:54,510
there databases, artificial

1004
00:32:54,510 --> 00:32:56,510
intelligence, algorithms

1005
00:32:58,221 --> 00:32:58,955
contracts and surveillance pro

1006
00:32:58,955 --> 00:33:01,230
you are a time. So if you could

1007
00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:03,423
briefly conclude that formed

1008
00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:04,727
human beings exist, it human

1009
00:33:04,727 --> 00:33:05,362
dignity, existing privacy,

1010
00:33:05,362 --> 00:33:08,132
existing the right to move

1011
00:33:08,132 --> 00:33:09,980
their one community without

1012
00:33:09,980 --> 00:33:10,167
being treated as a perpetual

1013
00:33:10,167 --> 00:33:11,101
suspect existing the moral

1014
00:33:11,101 --> 00:33:13,101
principle that government

1015
00:33:14,304 --> 00:33:15,105
exists to serve the people not

1016
00:33:15,105 --> 00:33:15,639
to make the people subject of a

1017
00:33:15,639 --> 00:33:16,472
limited governmental

1018
00:33:16,472 --> 00:33:17,241
observation. Existing law

1019
00:33:17,241 --> 00:33:19,143
should be an instrument of

1020
00:33:19,143 --> 00:33:21,543
justice. Technology should be

1021
00:33:24,481 --> 00:33:25,182
an instrument of human where

1022
00:33:25,182 --> 00:33:26,949
fair, neither should become in

1023
00:33:26,949 --> 00:33:29,510
issue that cannot be measure

1024
00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:29,753
simply by Costa to stick.

1025
00:33:29,753 --> 00:33:31,530
Trust where residents believe

1026
00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:31,688
that their movements can be

1027
00:33:31,688 --> 00:33:34,880
tracked and search without

1028
00:33:34,958 --> 00:33:35,659
their knowledge confidence in

1029
00:33:35,659 --> 00:33:36,393
government. This creases when

1030
00:33:36,393 --> 00:33:37,961
residents here about his views,

1031
00:33:37,961 --> 00:33:40,196
they were easily acts. Whether

1032
00:33:40,196 --> 00:33:41,640
safeguards are actually working

1033
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,233
when government respond by

1034
00:33:43,233 --> 00:33:45,680
saying we have policies.

1035
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,360
The next question should be who

1036
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,137
independently verify those

1037
00:33:47,137 --> 00:33:49,139
policies are being followed.

1038
00:33:49,139 --> 00:33:50,208
Milwaukee officials, their

1039
00:33:50,208 --> 00:33:52,243
sales have recognized this

1040
00:33:52,243 --> 00:33:54,643
problem. The Common Council

1041
00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:07,423
has requested an additional

1042
00:34:10,894 --> 00:34:12,894
say

1043
00:34:14,866 --> 00:34:17,701
everyone. It's not about what

1044
00:34:17,701 --> 00:34:20,701
about trying to dominate things

1045
00:34:20,804 --> 00:34:21,505
Milwaukee official themself out

1046
00:34:21,505 --> 00:34:23,905
recognizes problem. The comic

1047
00:34:25,420 --> 00:34:27,244
con water crested additional

1048
00:34:27,244 --> 00:34:27,946
reporting. Concern, searches

1049
00:34:27,946 --> 00:34:28,546
that a Sharon audit, flags of

1050
00:34:28,546 --> 00:34:30,946
runners alert, a policy

1051
00:34:31,150 --> 00:34:32,951
violation user access to all

1052
00:34:32,951 --> 00:34:33,884
sites. The access that tells us

1053
00:34:33,884 --> 00:34:34,986
something important. The

1054
00:34:34,986 --> 00:34:37,386
safeguards are not being

1055
00:34:37,821 --> 00:34:38,456
developed and if the safeguards

1056
00:34:38,456 --> 00:34:39,124
are still being developed,

1057
00:34:39,124 --> 00:34:39,823
perhaps the civilian system

1058
00:34:39,823 --> 00:34:42,223
should not continue operating,

1059
00:34:42,494 --> 00:34:42,961
though. The question have

1060
00:34:42,961 --> 00:34:44,961
already been

1061
00:34:45,663 --> 00:34:47,499
Meryl restrictions are not the

1062
00:34:47,499 --> 00:34:49,601
same as public Cox in consent.

1063
00:34:49,601 --> 00:34:50,535
I recognize that the mayor

1064
00:34:50,535 --> 00:34:51,202
doesn't have not propose

1065
00:34:51,202 --> 00:34:53,202
significant restrictions on

1066
00:34:53,471 --> 00:34:55,206
flock use, including limiting

1067
00:34:55,206 --> 00:34:55,875
access, limited permissible,

1068
00:34:55,875 --> 00:34:56,542
uses, create a public dash.

1069
00:34:56,542 --> 00:34:58,942
We're restricting access to

1070
00:34:59,110 --> 00:34:59,678
Milwaukee's that and establish

1071
00:34:59,678 --> 00:35:01,146
an independent audit.

1072
00:35:01,146 --> 00:35:02,348
Appreciate the movement toward

1073
00:35:02,348 --> 00:35:03,470
greater com belief. But my

1074
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:03,749
concern is larger than the

1075
00:35:03,749 --> 00:35:04,349
restrictions. The question is

1076
00:35:04,349 --> 00:35:06,349
whether Milwaukee should

1077
00:35:07,653 --> 00:35:09,653
maintain a civilian

1078
00:35:10,588 --> 00:35:11,189
infrastructure at all and

1079
00:35:11,189 --> 00:35:11,891
before entering another

1080
00:35:11,891 --> 00:35:12,590
contract are continuing as the

1081
00:35:12,590 --> 00:35:14,626
front Savannah's program that

1082
00:35:14,626 --> 00:35:15,628
people should have meaningful

1083
00:35:15,628 --> 00:35:17,796
participation in that decision.

1084
00:35:17,796 --> 00:35:18,863
A private company should not

1085
00:35:18,863 --> 00:35:19,697
determine about is a public

1086
00:35:19,697 --> 00:35:20,732
surveillance. A police

1087
00:35:20,732 --> 00:35:23,436
department should not be the

1088
00:35:23,436 --> 00:35:24,636
only institution that term and

1089
00:35:24,636 --> 00:35:26,636
surveillance and government

1090
00:35:27,439 --> 00:35:30,443
should not act the public to

1091
00:35:30,443 --> 00:35:32,578
trust a system simply because

1092
00:35:32,578 --> 00:35:33,545
government promises oversee

1093
00:35:33,545 --> 00:35:34,680
self trust requires

1094
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,549
verification. Cancel the

1095
00:35:36,549 --> 00:35:37,215
contract, then have the public

1096
00:35:37,215 --> 00:35:38,517
conference. A conversation.

1097
00:35:38,517 --> 00:35:39,518
The city already has a

1098
00:35:39,518 --> 00:35:41,287
documented history of debate

1099
00:35:41,287 --> 00:35:41,887
over to flock contract. And

1100
00:35:41,887 --> 00:35:42,488
this renew the contract.

1101
00:35:42,488 --> 00:35:44,888
The current contract is

1102
00:35:45,458 --> 00:35:46,920
therefore an opportunity to

1103
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:46,826
establish a new principal

1104
00:35:46,826 --> 00:35:49,226
public safety technology should

1105
00:35:49,328 --> 00:35:51,328
require public accountability

1106
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:53,365
before public deployment.

1107
00:35:53,365 --> 00:35:54,133
I'm asking the fire Chief Fire

1108
00:35:54,133 --> 00:35:57,690
Police commission and more can

1109
00:35:57,690 --> 00:35:59,710
come a costly and the CDs flock

1110
00:35:59,710 --> 00:36:01,140
safety contract and discontinue

1111
00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:01,775
fought alpr surveillance,

1112
00:36:01,775 --> 00:36:02,441
reject the assumption that

1113
00:36:02,441 --> 00:36:03,750
replace and wants a vote on

1114
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:06,460
policy with what with the

1115
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:07,120
letter automatically solve the

1116
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,914
underlying problem, evaluate

1117
00:36:08,914 --> 00:36:09,882
automatic license plate reader

1118
00:36:09,882 --> 00:36:10,583
technology, not merely flock,

1119
00:36:10,583 --> 00:36:12,551
required meaningful community

1120
00:36:12,551 --> 00:36:14,654
participates before any future

1121
00:36:14,654 --> 00:36:15,488
surveillance technology is

1122
00:36:15,488 --> 00:36:17,488
adopted, require independent,

1123
00:36:19,458 --> 00:36:21,994
not near the internal oversight

1124
00:36:21,994 --> 00:36:22,828
of any surveillance technology

1125
00:36:22,828 --> 00:36:24,828
require transparency regarding

1126
00:36:28,834 --> 00:36:29,669
access. Sharon searches air

1127
00:36:29,669 --> 00:36:30,369
Stop was a foreseeable

1128
00:36:30,369 --> 00:36:31,873
consequence were on authorized

1129
00:36:31,873 --> 00:36:33,673
the roads or misuse protect

1130
00:36:33,673 --> 00:36:34,976
vulnerable populations,

1131
00:36:34,976 --> 00:36:35,642
including survivors of domestic

1132
00:36:35,642 --> 00:36:36,976
violence activists, Donovan

1133
00:36:36,976 --> 00:36:38,976
journalist imprisoned people

1134
00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:40,847
exercise their constitutional

1135
00:36:40,847 --> 00:36:42,682
rights require a demonstration

1136
00:36:42,682 --> 00:36:43,283
that the technologies necessary

1137
00:36:43,283 --> 00:36:43,983
and proportionate before

1138
00:36:43,983 --> 00:36:45,983
government collect information

1139
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:47,887
about people who are not

1140
00:36:47,887 --> 00:36:49,623
suspected of rep

1141
00:36:49,623 --> 00:36:50,824
wrong door. Prioritize human

1142
00:36:50,824 --> 00:36:52,580
intelligence community

1143
00:36:52,580 --> 00:36:54,580
relationship restored to

1144
00:36:54,127 --> 00:36:54,761
approaches and traditional

1145
00:36:54,761 --> 00:36:56,761
investigative methods over

1146
00:36:57,164 --> 00:36:59,320
indiscriminate technological

1147
00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:59,666
collection. Whenever those

1148
00:36:59,666 --> 00:37:01,968
methods can accomplish the

1149
00:37:01,968 --> 00:37:02,936
legitimate public safety

1150
00:37:02,936 --> 00:37:04,105
objective. The question before

1151
00:37:04,105 --> 00:37:06,700
us, ultimately, this is not

1152
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:08,109
about whether Flock is a good

1153
00:37:08,109 --> 00:37:09,977
company, is not even primary

1154
00:37:09,977 --> 00:37:11,440
about whether flock cameras

1155
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,460
sometimes help Ollie's. The

1156
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:13,714
question is what kind of

1157
00:37:13,714 --> 00:37:14,981
society are we building are

1158
00:37:14,981 --> 00:37:16,983
rebuild the community for

1159
00:37:16,983 --> 00:37:18,118
government work with the

1160
00:37:18,118 --> 00:37:18,786
people. Where are we build a

1161
00:37:18,786 --> 00:37:19,821
few minutes where the people

1162
00:37:19,821 --> 00:37:20,520
most commonly prove that they

1163
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,920
are innocent while government

1164
00:37:23,790 --> 00:37:24,491
continuously collects

1165
00:37:24,491 --> 00:37:25,725
information about them. Are we

1166
00:37:25,725 --> 00:37:27,725
using artificial intelligence

1167
00:37:27,727 --> 00:37:29,630
to enhance human judgment or

1168
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:30,932
are we gradually allow

1169
00:37:30,932 --> 00:37:33,332
technology replace? Just me.

1170
00:37:33,734 --> 00:37:34,802
Are we creating safety through

1171
00:37:34,802 --> 00:37:35,836
traffic or recreate complies?

1172
00:37:35,836 --> 00:37:36,736
Do surveillance? I believe

1173
00:37:36,736 --> 00:37:37,538
Milwaukee can do better.

1174
00:37:37,538 --> 00:37:39,340
We can create a model public

1175
00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:41,740
safety and uses intelligence

1176
00:37:42,375 --> 00:37:44,440
without sacrificing with them.

1177
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:44,645
Technology without sacrificing

1178
00:37:44,645 --> 00:37:46,645
humanity. Accountability

1179
00:37:46,647 --> 00:37:48,583
without sacrificing security.

1180
00:37:48,583 --> 00:37:50,983
Without sacrificing being the

1181
00:37:51,587 --> 00:37:53,788
tea public safety and human

1182
00:37:53,788 --> 00:37:54,388
rights should not be enemies.

1183
00:37:54,388 --> 00:37:55,656
They should be partners.

1184
00:37:55,656 --> 00:37:56,657
And of technology cannot upper

1185
00:37:56,657 --> 00:37:59,570
operate without plays. A

1186
00:37:59,628 --> 00:38:00,661
fundamental rights and public

1187
00:38:00,661 --> 00:38:03,610
there perhaps the most

1188
00:38:03,598 --> 00:38:05,833
intelligent use of technology

1189
00:38:05,833 --> 00:38:06,769
respectfully ask the fire and

1190
00:38:06,769 --> 00:38:07,468
police commission to listen to

1191
00:38:07,468 --> 00:38:08,837
the people and flocks of rose

1192
00:38:08,837 --> 00:38:11,472
in Milwaukee and help us.

1193
00:38:11,472 --> 00:38:12,140
That was a standard where human

1194
00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:12,874
dignity, not technological

1195
00:38:12,874 --> 00:38:15,743
capability of the highs measure

1196
00:38:15,743 --> 00:38:18,814
of public safety. And we thank

1197
00:38:18,814 --> 00:38:20,814
you.

1198
00:38:44,908 --> 00:38:46,108
Director how much time was

1199
00:38:46,108 --> 00:38:48,911
and 30 seconds. Art? I did stop

1200
00:38:48,911 --> 00:38:53,111
the clock, but it was well over

1201
00:38:53,982 --> 00:38:54,650
10 minutes at 9.15, minutes.

1202
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:58,250
Know you can see juror time

1203
00:39:01,524 --> 00:39:03,924
over. It was 10 minutes.

1204
00:39:04,827 --> 00:39:06,929
I'm speaking okay. I've got

1205
00:39:06,929 --> 00:39:08,929
the mic.

1206
00:39:09,265 --> 00:39:11,266
If we started out this meeting

1207
00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:12,168
saying it to get 5 minutes, if

1208
00:39:12,168 --> 00:39:15,471
you want to see juror time

1209
00:39:15,471 --> 00:39:18,471
over, Robert's rules allows you

1210
00:39:18,674 --> 00:39:19,641
to do that.

1211
00:39:19,641 --> 00:39:23,241
But we need to track that.

1212
00:39:29,786 --> 00:39:33,986
So a number of you said, hey,

1213
00:39:34,656 --> 00:39:37,860
incident. Okay. So that we want

1214
00:39:37,860 --> 00:39:38,761
but in order for us. To have

1215
00:39:38,761 --> 00:39:39,362
respect for one another.

1216
00:39:39,362 --> 00:39:41,300
In in this. This is not

1217
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,299
necessarily a dialogue that

1218
00:39:43,299 --> 00:39:46,268
we're having. You come hearing,

1219
00:39:46,268 --> 00:39:48,404
you speak your mind. Maybe we

1220
00:39:48,404 --> 00:39:50,380
should have a different form

1221
00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:52,142
format so that we could have a

1222
00:39:52,142 --> 00:39:55,440
dialogue. But this is not this

1223
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,644
is not a dialogue. I'm sorry.

1224
00:40:00,850 --> 00:40:04,450
So you get 5, you get excuse

1225
00:40:04,954 --> 00:40:07,625
we you know what we can talk

1226
00:40:07,625 --> 00:40:10,625
about how to accommodate a

1227
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:14,627
okay, but okay. But I'm just

1228
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:16,634
telling you in order for us to

1229
00:40:16,634 --> 00:40:19,503
We have to adhere. To the rules

1230
00:40:19,503 --> 00:40:21,903
that we've established year.

1231
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,750
That's all. That's all we're

1232
00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:27,845
saying. So be respectful.

1233
00:40:27,845 --> 00:40:31,115
We try to be respectful of you.

1234
00:40:31,115 --> 00:40:34,715
Be respectful of us. Thank you.

1235
00:40:38,856 --> 00:40:41,858
And you can talk to me

1236
00:40:41,858 --> 00:40:42,793
afterwards. If you'd like.

1237
00:40:42,793 --> 00:40:44,895
The commissioners are trying to

1238
00:40:44,895 --> 00:40:46,964
be respectful and give

1239
00:40:46,964 --> 00:40:48,899
everybody an opportunity to

1240
00:40:48,899 --> 00:40:49,868
speak. That's part of the

1241
00:40:49,868 --> 00:40:52,268
reason why individual Time's

1242
00:40:52,838 --> 00:40:53,938
Limited to 5 minutes. I would

1243
00:40:53,938 --> 00:40:56,207
ask that people be respectful

1244
00:40:56,207 --> 00:40:59,207
of not. That does allow

1245
00:40:59,743 --> 00:41:00,411
everybody to have a voice.

1246
00:41:00,411 --> 00:41:03,411
Many people as possible and

1247
00:41:04,482 --> 00:41:06,882
individual opinions, which is

1248
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:12,230
also very important.

1249
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:13,900
People will know. I think that

1250
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,727
this doesn't need to be said

1251
00:41:15,727 --> 00:41:18,896
because we just had an example

1252
00:41:18,896 --> 00:41:20,899
of someone flouting the rules.

1253
00:41:20,899 --> 00:41:21,632
That does not is not conducive

1254
00:41:21,632 --> 00:41:24,632
everybody has an opportunity to

1255
00:41:24,903 --> 00:41:25,970
speak, which is what we

1256
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:27,970
ultimately want.

1257
00:41:32,343 --> 00:41:34,743
The next individuals. Angela

1258
00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:38,682
That last beautiful, amazing

1259
00:41:38,682 --> 00:41:39,351
speech. But I will keep it

1260
00:41:39,351 --> 00:41:41,190
brief because there's a lot

1261
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:41,685
more billion people in this

1262
00:41:41,685 --> 00:41:45,123
room. Money and we all have

1263
00:41:45,123 --> 00:41:45,857
heard the same things time and

1264
00:41:45,857 --> 00:41:47,526
time again. So first, I want to

1265
00:41:47,526 --> 00:41:48,260
say thank you, commissioners.

1266
00:41:48,260 --> 00:41:50,495
I know you understand and sense

1267
00:41:50,495 --> 00:41:51,629
the thickness and the

1268
00:41:51,629 --> 00:41:53,398
frustration and the air and I

1269
00:41:53,398 --> 00:41:54,650
hope you understand it as a

1270
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:54,766
reflection of the passion in

1271
00:41:54,766 --> 00:41:58,366
this community and how we feel

1272
00:41:58,537 --> 00:41:59,838
about keeping our community

1273
00:41:59,838 --> 00:42:02,838
safe. Honestly, I was driving

1274
00:42:04,476 --> 00:42:05,760
here and yet again, I'm tired.

1275
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:05,745
I'm tired of being here.

1276
00:42:05,745 --> 00:42:06,445
I'm tired of being it is not

1277
00:42:06,445 --> 00:42:07,747
the first time I sat in front

1278
00:42:07,747 --> 00:42:11,347
of you all to talk about

1279
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:14,450
surveillance, whether it's fr

1280
00:42:14,786 --> 00:42:15,521
t. Flock cameras. Police

1281
00:42:15,521 --> 00:42:17,657
chases. It's not the first time

1282
00:42:17,657 --> 00:42:21,857
I got it. Thanks to a mother's

1283
00:42:21,927 --> 00:42:22,562
the night. I'm tired, but I'm

1284
00:42:22,562 --> 00:42:24,962
encouraged. By this crowd.

1285
00:42:25,497 --> 00:42:28,497
I'm encouraged by the overflow

1286
00:42:30,203 --> 00:42:31,104
room.

1287
00:42:31,104 --> 00:42:31,737
Our concerns are valid.

1288
00:42:31,737 --> 00:42:33,738
And I think sometimes it

1289
00:42:33,738 --> 00:42:36,738
doesn't feel that they actually

1290
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:39,779
are giving comments from the

1291
00:42:39,779 --> 00:42:41,779
police chief.

1292
00:42:42,815 --> 00:42:43,449
Just this morning, many of us

1293
00:42:43,449 --> 00:42:44,150
became aware of how flock

1294
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:47,353
cameras have top cops, how to

1295
00:42:47,353 --> 00:42:50,353
surveil things like no Kings

1296
00:42:50,757 --> 00:42:52,757
protest.

1297
00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:54,494
Small parades 4th of JULY.

1298
00:42:54,494 --> 00:42:56,562
Fireworks even bike races.

1299
00:42:56,562 --> 00:42:57,197
Pretty sure folks have said

1300
00:42:57,197 --> 00:42:59,900
that these are supposed to

1301
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:00,500
catch violent criminals and

1302
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:00,581
missing kids. Why the f#

1303
00:43:00,581 --> 00:43:00,659
#

1304
00:43:00,659 --> 00:43:02,659
#

1305
00:43:04,137 --> 00:43:04,771
are

1306
00:43:04,771 --> 00:43:07,171
we surveilling bike rides.

1307
00:43:07,406 --> 00:43:10,430
Why are we surveilling? No

1308
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:12,430
Kings. Protesters. Curious

1309
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:14,479
rhetorical question. Cancel the

1310
00:43:15,783 --> 00:43:16,450
contract immediately. Point

1311
00:43:16,450 --> 00:43:17,830
blank period. You know what?

1312
00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:17,950
I'll even give you a bone.

1313
00:43:17,950 --> 00:43:18,718
It's okay to say we tried

1314
00:43:18,718 --> 00:43:20,653
something in a didn't work.

1315
00:43:20,653 --> 00:43:23,624
We heard from the community

1316
00:43:23,624 --> 00:43:24,292
were pulling back. I would

1317
00:43:24,292 --> 00:43:24,525
respect that more. Then the

1318
00:43:24,525 --> 00:43:24,626
b#

1319
00:43:24,626 --> 00:43:24,703
#

1320
00:43:24,703 --> 00:43:24,789
#

1321
00:43:24,789 --> 00:43:24,881
#

1322
00:43:24,881 --> 00:43:24,959
#

1323
00:43:24,959 --> 00:43:25,410
#

1324
00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:25,224
#

1325
00:43:25,224 --> 00:43:27,224
coming out, the

1326
00:43:28,695 --> 00:43:29,429
mayor's office and out to norm

1327
00:43:29,429 --> 00:43:31,765
is about. The latest. Try to be

1328
00:43:31,765 --> 00:43:32,799
like, Oh, we're gonna we're

1329
00:43:32,799 --> 00:43:33,533
gonna have parameters. We

1330
00:43:33,533 --> 00:43:35,669
listen to the community and let

1331
00:43:35,669 --> 00:43:36,336
me let me give you an exact

1332
00:43:36,336 --> 00:43:39,172
quote that I looked up from

1333
00:43:39,172 --> 00:43:39,740
Chief Norman quo. I hope that

1334
00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:41,641
our community is being

1335
00:43:41,641 --> 00:43:43,576
appreciative that we are

1336
00:43:43,576 --> 00:43:44,278
listening in leading into this

1337
00:43:44,278 --> 00:43:47,146
moment and that they see this

1338
00:43:47,146 --> 00:43:50,616
as a thoughtful action on the

1339
00:43:50,616 --> 00:43:52,510
part of mpd.

1340
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:52,552
It's not is dangerous is

1341
00:43:52,552 --> 00:43:54,552
disingenuous. It's

1342
00:43:55,456 --> 00:43:57,456
disrespectful and it's

1343
00:43:58,625 --> 00:44:00,625
offensive.

1344
00:44:02,161 --> 00:44:03,964
It is offensive to the

1345
00:44:03,964 --> 00:44:04,665
intelligence of the Milwaukee

1346
00:44:04,665 --> 00:44:05,365
community to think that there

1347
00:44:05,365 --> 00:44:08,365
could be these backdoor deals.

1348
00:44:09,203 --> 00:44:09,904
And, you know, we're just going

1349
00:44:09,904 --> 00:44:09,975
to add parameters. Knowing d#

1350
00:44:09,975 --> 00:44:10,440
#

1351
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,440
#

1352
00:44:13,974 --> 00:44:14,208
well, you are using this for

1353
00:44:14,208 --> 00:44:14,280
d#

1354
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:14,359
#

1355
00:44:14,359 --> 00:44:14,843
#

1356
00:44:14,843 --> 00:44:15,510
well, police.

1357
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:16,910
Former police officers have

1358
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:18,746
been caught using this

1359
00:44:18,746 --> 00:44:21,146
technology for personal reasons

1360
00:44:21,449 --> 00:44:24,449
to surveil women. And their

1361
00:44:24,751 --> 00:44:27,151
partners. That is violence.

1362
00:44:28,922 --> 00:44:30,724
Name of public safety when you

1363
00:44:30,724 --> 00:44:32,626
are abusing and weaponizing

1364
00:44:32,626 --> 00:44:34,528
the technology in a way to be

1365
00:44:34,528 --> 00:44:35,229
violent but saying it will stop

1366
00:44:35,229 --> 00:44:35,864
violence, make it make the fox

1367
00:44:35,864 --> 00:44:38,398
and I'm sorry, I'm tired.

1368
00:44:38,398 --> 00:44:41,398
You're going hear some colorful

1369
00:44:42,436 --> 00:44:44,720
language tonight.

1370
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:44,805
The police chief said we're

1371
00:44:44,805 --> 00:44:45,473
listening and we're leading in.

1372
00:44:45,473 --> 00:44:48,473
We hope that they understand

1373
00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:50,110
the community understand that

1374
00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:53,110
we're trying. If you're truly

1375
00:44:56,517 --> 00:44:58,917
listening, you cancel this

1376
00:44:59,287 --> 00:45:01,687
Not even just tonight.

1377
00:45:02,356 --> 00:45:05,956
Police chief and the mayor were

1378
00:45:06,394 --> 00:45:07,362
listening. Have a town hall.

1379
00:45:07,362 --> 00:45:08,396
I challenge you all 2 and I

1380
00:45:08,396 --> 00:45:09,564
love this is a one-way

1381
00:45:09,564 --> 00:45:10,265
conversation. I can say

1382
00:45:10,265 --> 00:45:10,966
whatever I want, y'all got to

1383
00:45:10,966 --> 00:45:12,934
take it. And sometimes I like

1384
00:45:12,934 --> 00:45:16,272
that. But I want to hear got

1385
00:45:16,272 --> 00:45:17,380
to say. Let's have a dialogue.

1386
00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:17,772
So I challenge his body.

1387
00:45:17,772 --> 00:45:18,407
To have a dialogue. So when the

1388
00:45:18,407 --> 00:45:21,407
police chief says all were

1389
00:45:24,246 --> 00:45:26,415
listening to the community.

1390
00:45:26,415 --> 00:45:28,830
If you want an ally.

1391
00:45:28,830 --> 00:45:29,284
Is he engaging? He comes to

1392
00:45:29,284 --> 00:45:31,152
the bloc office did come to

1393
00:45:31,152 --> 00:45:32,254
the Turner that come to the

1394
00:45:32,254 --> 00:45:32,987
aclu and all the many groups

1395
00:45:32,987 --> 00:45:33,588
that are represented here and

1396
00:45:33,588 --> 00:45:34,290
say, hey, I want to be a

1397
00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:36,690
community, a relationship with

1398
00:45:36,859 --> 00:45:40,595
you all. I want to figure this

1399
00:45:40,595 --> 00:45:41,496
out together.

1400
00:45:41,496 --> 00:45:43,666
Even called him either, ok,

1401
00:45:43,666 --> 00:45:44,399
challenges body because there's

1402
00:45:44,399 --> 00:45:47,203
not enough time in the world on

1403
00:45:47,203 --> 00:45:50,710
a Thursday night to talk about

1404
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:50,773
this post. It. But here we are

1405
00:45:50,773 --> 00:45:53,875
time and time again. And I ask

1406
00:45:53,875 --> 00:45:56,100
you one, cancel a contract

1407
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:56,645
point blank period.

1408
00:45:56,645 --> 00:45:57,980
And 2, if you want further

1409
00:45:57,980 --> 00:45:59,140
discussions, I challenge you

1410
00:45:59,140 --> 00:46:01,851
all to meet us in the community

1411
00:46:01,851 --> 00:46:02,551
on the north side of Milwaukee,

1412
00:46:02,551 --> 00:46:03,953
in the black community, on the

1413
00:46:03,953 --> 00:46:05,921
south side, on the Latino

1414
00:46:05,921 --> 00:46:06,489
community and have these

1415
00:46:06,489 --> 00:46:08,424
conversations because

1416
00:46:08,424 --> 00:46:09,125
respectfully, y'all get to sit

1417
00:46:09,125 --> 00:46:12,725
behind these desks and you get

1418
00:46:14,664 --> 00:46:15,364
to go home at the end of the

1419
00:46:15,364 --> 00:46:16,650
And yet we're here organizing,

1420
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:16,565
strategize and into the wee

1421
00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:18,565
hours having these

1422
00:46:19,535 --> 00:46:20,350
conversations. I want to hear

1423
00:46:20,350 --> 00:46:22,350
from you all.

1424
00:46:23,339 --> 00:46:24,507
Just have to sit here and take

1425
00:46:24,507 --> 00:46:25,375
whatever we say.

1426
00:46:25,375 --> 00:46:26,408
I want to hear what you ought

1427
00:46:26,408 --> 00:46:28,145
to say. So cancel a contract

1428
00:46:28,145 --> 00:46:28,912
and I'll be looking for email

1429
00:46:28,912 --> 00:46:29,613
to schedule the next actual

1430
00:46:29,613 --> 00:46:32,515
town hall. I can hear from you

1431
00:46:32,515 --> 00:46:36,115
all and where you all stand.

1432
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:53,660
Dorky.

1433
00:46:59,543 --> 00:47:01,943
Good evening. Good evening.

1434
00:47:02,745 --> 00:47:03,447
Commissioners.

1435
00:47:03,447 --> 00:47:05,615
So my name is Nicholas second.

1436
00:47:05,615 --> 00:47:06,350
Mascaras ration cordinator at

1437
00:47:06,350 --> 00:47:09,350
the Milwaukee Turner's. I would

1438
00:47:10,154 --> 00:47:10,888
like to start by Sam regulating

1439
00:47:10,888 --> 00:47:11,555
flock will not work. We've seen

1440
00:47:11,555 --> 00:47:13,560
officers across the country

1441
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:13,690
with walk, get arrested from

1442
00:47:13,690 --> 00:47:16,900
issues in this technology.

1443
00:47:16,594 --> 00:47:17,894
So even the threat of arrest

1444
00:47:17,894 --> 00:47:19,894
isn't working.

1445
00:47:20,931 --> 00:47:21,798
Now we have a 3rd officer in

1446
00:47:21,798 --> 00:47:22,467
Milwaukee under investigation

1447
00:47:22,467 --> 00:47:23,133
who reported that no outside

1448
00:47:23,133 --> 00:47:25,870
agencies will have access to

1449
00:47:25,870 --> 00:47:28,870
fly under the mayor's plan.

1450
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,474
In other words, outside

1451
00:47:30,474 --> 00:47:32,474
organizations previously had

1452
00:47:32,542 --> 00:47:34,444
access to Milwaukee, 5, beta

1453
00:47:34,444 --> 00:47:36,546
up. And so the mayor did the

1454
00:47:36,546 --> 00:47:38,820
overhaul. And this is after

1455
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:38,715
and pd added regulations.

1456
00:47:38,715 --> 00:47:40,217
How do we know whether the

1457
00:47:40,217 --> 00:47:43,817
share data made it to the

1458
00:47:44,154 --> 00:47:45,189
federal government? Who was a

1459
00:47:45,189 --> 00:47:46,791
share with it? Fusion controls,

1460
00:47:46,791 --> 00:47:47,525
access to flock cameras and

1461
00:47:47,525 --> 00:47:49,427
a fusion center is literally an

1462
00:47:49,427 --> 00:47:51,263
agreement based on data sharing

1463
00:47:51,263 --> 00:47:51,996
with the federal government.

1464
00:47:51,996 --> 00:47:55,767
How can we ever know or monitor

1465
00:47:55,767 --> 00:47:56,466
they share data with them in

1466
00:47:56,466 --> 00:47:57,168
their back door meetings, the

1467
00:47:57,168 --> 00:47:58,770
High Intensity Drug Task Force

1468
00:47:58,770 --> 00:48:00,738
Agency also has a data sharing

1469
00:48:00,738 --> 00:48:01,739
agreement with the federal

1470
00:48:01,739 --> 00:48:03,307
government. If we can't trust

1471
00:48:03,307 --> 00:48:03,975
the police not to stock their

1472
00:48:03,975 --> 00:48:06,811
go, France under the threat

1473
00:48:06,811 --> 00:48:07,445
of a rest, how can we trust

1474
00:48:07,445 --> 00:48:08,440
them to protect our data?

1475
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,447
The mayor did not report

1476
00:48:09,447 --> 00:48:11,415
consulting with the community

1477
00:48:11,415 --> 00:48:12,617
at all. Only law enforcement.

1478
00:48:12,617 --> 00:48:13,518
I don't understand why law

1479
00:48:13,518 --> 00:48:14,152
enforcement takes precedent

1480
00:48:14,152 --> 00:48:17,152
over the people where law

1481
00:48:17,489 --> 00:48:18,356
enforcement is supposed to

1482
00:48:18,356 --> 00:48:20,258
serve the people and the where

1483
00:48:20,258 --> 00:48:21,326
serve seems to be in name only.

1484
00:48:21,326 --> 00:48:23,262
So what is the true objective

1485
00:48:23,262 --> 00:48:25,330
of policing in the majority

1486
00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:27,232
non-white cd like Milwaukee?

1487
00:48:27,232 --> 00:48:29,434
Is it just control of the

1488
00:48:29,434 --> 00:48:30,100
people who leads have deemed

1489
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:31,335
undesirable? The black

1490
00:48:31,335 --> 00:48:33,438
community have suffer under

1491
00:48:33,438 --> 00:48:34,373
police Slate catches and

1492
00:48:34,373 --> 00:48:36,175
everything but a positive force

1493
00:48:36,175 --> 00:48:38,309
in our communities as well as

1494
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:38,977
Latino community suffering

1495
00:48:38,977 --> 00:48:39,710
under a similar function

1496
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:40,912
because immigration enforcement

1497
00:48:40,912 --> 00:48:43,115
in this lake catching system

1498
00:48:43,115 --> 00:48:45,515
have some striking parallels.

1499
00:48:45,983 --> 00:48:46,952
Both communities fear speaking

1500
00:48:46,952 --> 00:48:48,853
out against police because of

1501
00:48:48,853 --> 00:48:50,188
historical injustices and fear

1502
00:48:50,188 --> 00:48:51,622
retaliation. Do these cameras

1503
00:48:51,622 --> 00:48:52,256
help these communities feel

1504
00:48:52,256 --> 00:48:53,358
safe, speaking out against

1505
00:48:53,358 --> 00:48:55,194
injustice or do they further

1506
00:48:55,194 --> 00:48:56,962
suppress their freedom of

1507
00:48:56,962 --> 00:48:57,629
expression? We know it's the

1508
00:48:57,629 --> 00:49:00,532
latter. As a matter of fact

1509
00:49:00,532 --> 00:49:02,533
and nothing much to my brother

1510
00:49:02,533 --> 00:49:04,402
over here.

1511
00:49:04,402 --> 00:49:05,437
Nonwhite military veteran in

1512
00:49:05,437 --> 00:49:07,139
Sussex was tracked by Flock

1513
00:49:07,139 --> 00:49:07,840
cameras after following a

1514
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,740
lawsuit against the sheriff's

1515
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:10,476
department for arresting him

1516
00:49:10,476 --> 00:49:11,900
for exercising his First

1517
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:13,900
Amendment right. Law

1518
00:49:13,245 --> 00:49:14,646
enforcement is using flock to

1519
00:49:14,646 --> 00:49:15,347
actively retaliate against

1520
00:49:15,347 --> 00:49:17,747
citizens for expressing their

1521
00:49:19,218 --> 00:49:19,853
First Amendment rights and not

1522
00:49:19,853 --> 00:49:21,421
even serving this country.

1523
00:49:21,421 --> 00:49:22,288
Has the United States armed

1524
00:49:22,288 --> 00:49:25,288
forces veteran can save you

1525
00:49:25,457 --> 00:49:26,391
from over police and the police

1526
00:49:26,391 --> 00:49:28,328
claim to want to improve

1527
00:49:28,328 --> 00:49:29,461
community police relations.

1528
00:49:29,461 --> 00:49:30,195
But they are dead set on spying

1529
00:49:30,195 --> 00:49:30,864
on Milwaukee residents and then

1530
00:49:30,864 --> 00:49:33,990
ignoring the community when

1531
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:35,680
they express that they value

1532
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:36,970
their right to privacy. This

1533
00:49:36,970 --> 00:49:37,503
directly contradicts the stated

1534
00:49:37,503 --> 00:49:38,203
aim, considered the

1535
00:49:38,203 --> 00:49:40,603
psychological effects of mass

1536
00:49:40,939 --> 00:49:41,573
surveillance with flock as a

1537
00:49:41,573 --> 00:49:44,377
major tool in the Arsenal.

1538
00:49:44,377 --> 00:49:46,777
Studies show that mass

1539
00:49:47,446 --> 00:49:48,413
surveillance causes heightened

1540
00:49:48,413 --> 00:49:49,414
anxiety, self-censorship loss

1541
00:49:49,414 --> 00:49:51,414
of control, hypervigilance

1542
00:49:52,451 --> 00:49:54,520
paranoia. Mass surveillance can

1543
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,522
also exacerbate existing mental

1544
00:49:55,522 --> 00:49:57,423
health issues. That being said

1545
00:49:57,423 --> 00:49:59,492
policy needs to be data driven

1546
00:49:59,492 --> 00:50:00,459
and data certainly shows that

1547
00:50:00,459 --> 00:50:01,394
flock cameras are bad. Fox

1548
00:50:01,394 --> 00:50:03,496
Society, some asking the fire

1549
00:50:03,496 --> 00:50:04,596
and police commission to work

1550
00:50:04,596 --> 00:50:06,632
with the Common Council and the

1551
00:50:06,632 --> 00:50:07,367
mayor to end the contract with

1552
00:50:07,367 --> 00:50:08,501
Flock is not using all of their

1553
00:50:08,501 --> 00:50:10,170
automated license plate,

1554
00:50:10,170 --> 00:50:10,837
reading technology outside of

1555
00:50:10,837 --> 00:50:13,773
Flock. Thank you for listen.

1556
00:50:13,773 --> 00:50:16,943
I know that you cannot respond

1557
00:50:16,943 --> 00:50:18,943
at this time.

1558
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:32,230
Samuel Myers.

1559
00:50:52,479 --> 00:50:55,548
Mary j Kenneth. So that Ariel

1560
00:50:55,548 --> 00:50:57,548
Winter.

1561
00:51:08,863 --> 00:51:09,864
Commissioners, my name is Ariel

1562
00:51:09,864 --> 00:51:10,764
Winter. I live in the fox 4th

1563
00:51:10,764 --> 00:51:12,899
Aldermanic District. I worked

1564
00:51:12,899 --> 00:51:14,802
for the aclu and like many here

1565
00:51:14,802 --> 00:51:16,737
tonight. I am here once again

1566
00:51:16,737 --> 00:51:17,404
to express my concern with the

1567
00:51:17,404 --> 00:51:20,404
current mpd fox contract and

1568
00:51:20,541 --> 00:51:21,943
any future contract for Ale are

1569
00:51:21,943 --> 00:51:23,879
p technology.

1570
00:51:23,879 --> 00:51:25,847
Here's a list of all the misuse

1571
00:51:25,847 --> 00:51:27,983
of flock Quitman across the

1572
00:51:27,983 --> 00:51:28,716
state of Wisconsin and no

1573
00:51:28,716 --> 00:51:31,653
particular order. I-94 was shut

1574
00:51:31,653 --> 00:51:33,755
down. And Amber new well was

1575
00:51:33,755 --> 00:51:34,688
pulled over at gunpoint with

1576
00:51:34,688 --> 00:51:35,689
their daughter in the car

1577
00:51:35,689 --> 00:51:36,658
because Milwaukee police failed

1578
00:51:36,658 --> 00:51:39,658
to remove a wanted vehicle

1579
00:51:39,794 --> 00:51:41,563
alert from the system after it

1580
00:51:41,563 --> 00:51:42,263
already been investigated.

1581
00:51:42,263 --> 00:51:42,963
She has since lost 2 jobs from

1582
00:51:42,963 --> 00:51:45,634
this incident and her and her

1583
00:51:45,634 --> 00:51:46,801
daughter have been left

1584
00:51:46,801 --> 00:51:47,602
traumatized.

1585
00:51:47,602 --> 00:51:49,602
In Milwaukee. 2 separate

1586
00:51:49,671 --> 00:51:52,540
officers have been accused of

1587
00:51:52,540 --> 00:51:53,708
misusing technology in order to

1588
00:51:53,708 --> 00:51:56,644
break the law in JULY. Criminal

1589
00:51:56,644 --> 00:51:57,345
charges were filed against a

1590
00:51:57,345 --> 00:51:58,780
mpd internal affairs Detective

1591
00:51:58,780 --> 00:52:00,114
Chapman who allegedly used

1592
00:52:00,114 --> 00:52:01,820
blocks a lower p technology

1593
00:52:01,820 --> 00:52:04,530
system to track to individuals,

1594
00:52:04,530 --> 00:52:05,530
locations, a total of 20 times

1595
00:52:05,530 --> 00:52:05,755
over the course of one year

1596
00:52:05,755 --> 00:52:08,755
arrange a slate. This internal

1597
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:11,490
affairs detective was entrusted

1598
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,962
with investigating. Another

1599
00:52:13,962 --> 00:52:16,131
officer was Allah for using

1600
00:52:16,131 --> 00:52:16,832
flock to stock a romantic

1601
00:52:16,832 --> 00:52:17,499
partner and his ex nearly 200

1602
00:52:17,499 --> 00:52:20,200
times. And now a 3rd invest

1603
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,200
officers being investigated.

1604
00:52:23,473 --> 00:52:25,373
And then Sean officer gets jail

1605
00:52:25,373 --> 00:52:27,409
probation for misusing flock

1606
00:52:27,409 --> 00:52:28,311
camera system. According to a

1607
00:52:28,311 --> 00:52:29,846
Washington Post, Mensch Officer

1608
00:52:29,846 --> 00:52:30,413
Christian Morales use flock to

1609
00:52:30,413 --> 00:52:31,146
check whether his then

1610
00:52:31,146 --> 00:52:33,549
girlfriend had gone to a clinic

1611
00:52:33,549 --> 00:52:34,683
to seek the potential

1612
00:52:34,683 --> 00:52:36,551
termination of pregnancy.

1613
00:52:36,551 --> 00:52:37,487
According to an affidavit from

1614
00:52:37,487 --> 00:52:38,121
an investigating officer with

1615
00:52:38,121 --> 00:52:40,121
another police department

1616
00:52:41,289 --> 00:52:44,227
seeking to subpoena flock for

1617
00:52:44,227 --> 00:52:45,261
records requests and Waukesha,

1618
00:52:45,261 --> 00:52:46,562
U.S. Navy veteran Napoleon

1619
00:52:46,562 --> 00:52:47,264
Jones who is here tonight was

1620
00:52:47,264 --> 00:52:50,264
searched a fog over 100 times

1621
00:52:50,433 --> 00:52:51,200
after he lawfully recorded a

1622
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:51,867
traffic stop. He served his

1623
00:52:51,867 --> 00:52:54,771
country and now he is being

1624
00:52:54,771 --> 00:52:57,771
surveilled in his own country.

1625
00:52:58,740 --> 00:53:00,420
Destruct, disrespectful and

1626
00:53:00,420 --> 00:53:02,420
disgusting.

1627
00:53:02,780 --> 00:53:03,447
Kenosha, a former Kenosha

1628
00:53:03,447 --> 00:53:04,146
County deputy faces 2 felony

1629
00:53:04,146 --> 00:53:04,814
counts after prosecutors said

1630
00:53:04,814 --> 00:53:07,383
he misused truck network to

1631
00:53:07,383 --> 00:53:08,451
track his then girlfriend while

1632
00:53:08,451 --> 00:53:09,384
off duty. Greenfield. This is

1633
00:53:09,384 --> 00:53:11,784
not related flex specifically,

1634
00:53:13,489 --> 00:53:14,256
but another camera surveillance

1635
00:53:14,256 --> 00:53:14,690
just is why we should not

1636
00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:14,811
except any b#

1637
00:53:14,811 --> 00:53:14,920
#

1638
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,450
#

1639
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:15,148
#

1640
00:53:15,148 --> 00:53:17,148
#

1641
00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:19,429
whether its

1642
00:53:19,429 --> 00:53:21,970
flock axon, any of them.

1643
00:53:21,970 --> 00:53:23,866
Johnson, the chief of the

1644
00:53:23,866 --> 00:53:26,103
Greenfield Police Department is

1645
00:53:26,103 --> 00:53:27,872
facing felony misconduct in

1646
00:53:27,872 --> 00:53:28,472
office for charges while in

1647
00:53:28,472 --> 00:53:29,138
starting a installing a

1648
00:53:29,138 --> 00:53:32,108
department on pole camera on

1649
00:53:32,108 --> 00:53:35,108
his property during a divorce.

1650
00:53:35,111 --> 00:53:35,813
Case, anyone's been counting.

1651
00:53:35,813 --> 00:53:36,412
That has been 7 ce 7 instances

1652
00:53:36,412 --> 00:53:39,115
of misuse and that is 7

1653
00:53:39,115 --> 00:53:42,115
instances that we only know

1654
00:53:42,919 --> 00:53:45,319
what's and Wisconsin census

1655
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:49,190
to summer. Appleton, Ashlynn

1656
00:53:50,927 --> 00:53:51,527
Fitchburg Grand Chute. Kenosha

1657
00:53:51,527 --> 00:53:53,960
Con a uw-Madison please.

1658
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Mcfarland marionette man

1659
00:53:55,132 --> 00:53:58,670
Sheboygan Stone and Surgeon Bay

1660
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:58,735
Verona and Racine have taken

1661
00:53:58,735 --> 00:53:59,403
steps. Iran did. Their flock

1662
00:53:59,403 --> 00:54:01,138
contracts should also know a

1663
00:54:01,138 --> 00:54:02,906
lot of these. I feel like have

1664
00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:04,975
also signed the contract after

1665
00:54:04,975 --> 00:54:05,608
Milwaukee pd initially signed.

1666
00:54:05,608 --> 00:54:06,276
There's and have canceled

1667
00:54:06,276 --> 00:54:08,846
theirs. And the time that we

1668
00:54:08,846 --> 00:54:11,846
have been fighting to cancel

1669
00:54:11,914 --> 00:54:13,914
parts.

1670
00:54:16,887 --> 00:54:17,888
James Lewis, Milwaukee pd is

1671
00:54:17,888 --> 00:54:19,789
risk manager admitted that they

1672
00:54:19,789 --> 00:54:20,824
did not have the necessary

1673
00:54:20,824 --> 00:54:21,959
guardrails in place after 2

1674
00:54:21,959 --> 00:54:23,760
Milwaukee police officers were

1675
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:24,995
charged with misuse of

1676
00:54:24,995 --> 00:54:25,697
technology. And now mpd has put

1677
00:54:25,697 --> 00:54:26,396
a considerable amount of time

1678
00:54:26,396 --> 00:54:28,796
and resources into developing

1679
00:54:30,334 --> 00:54:31,340
a new audit process to identify

1680
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:32,970
and says of Waukee a officers

1681
00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:33,804
using flock for inappropriate

1682
00:54:33,804 --> 00:54:34,906
reasons like stalking romantic

1683
00:54:34,906 --> 00:54:37,242
partners. I can appreciate the

1684
00:54:37,242 --> 00:54:37,875
steps being taken now. But if

1685
00:54:37,875 --> 00:54:40,875
you asked me a 25 year-old

1686
00:54:41,179 --> 00:54:44,482
woman, if I was surprised this

1687
00:54:44,482 --> 00:54:45,582
happened, I would tell you this

1688
00:54:45,582 --> 00:54:47,451
was bound to happen. What?

1689
00:54:47,451 --> 00:54:48,620
But those scenarios are also

1690
00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:49,586
not the totality of the danger

1691
00:54:49,586 --> 00:54:52,590
posed by flock that need to

1692
00:54:52,590 --> 00:54:53,625
be audited. What is the process

1693
00:54:53,625 --> 00:54:55,493
for auditing out of date or run

1694
00:54:55,493 --> 00:54:57,528
us information like the case of

1695
00:54:57,528 --> 00:54:58,196
Amber Newell who and I cannot

1696
00:54:58,196 --> 00:55:00,597
say this enough was put in a

1697
00:55:00,597 --> 00:55:01,899
dangerous situation at gunpoint

1698
00:55:01,899 --> 00:55:02,534
with her daughter in the car

1699
00:55:02,534 --> 00:55:05,360
because of a lack of data

1700
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,138
integrity within the Milwaukee

1701
00:55:07,138 --> 00:55:08,105
Police Department, Colorado

1702
00:55:08,105 --> 00:55:10,207
police officer was wrongly

1703
00:55:10,207 --> 00:55:11,209
accused of wrongly accused a

1704
00:55:11,209 --> 00:55:14,279
woman of theft based on a false

1705
00:55:14,279 --> 00:55:14,946
flock hit. An Arkansas woman or

1706
00:55:14,946 --> 00:55:15,612
child were held at gunpoint.

1707
00:55:15,612 --> 00:55:18,120
Sounds familiar lrp cameras

1708
00:55:18,483 --> 00:55:20,385
wrongly flick, their car

1709
00:55:20,385 --> 00:55:22,353
stolen.

1710
00:55:22,353 --> 00:55:22,987
On JULY 11, the Los Angeles

1711
00:55:22,987 --> 00:55:24,355
Police Department, the 3rd

1712
00:55:24,355 --> 00:55:26,291
largest police force in the

1713
00:55:26,291 --> 00:55:26,992
U.S. Allowed its contract with

1714
00:55:26,992 --> 00:55:28,159
flock to expire and the la pd

1715
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:29,694
deactivated all their flock

1716
00:55:29,694 --> 00:55:31,496
cameras. The decision followed

1717
00:55:31,496 --> 00:55:34,567
an internal audit by lapd and

1718
00:55:34,567 --> 00:55:36,469
journalist Inspector general

1719
00:55:36,469 --> 00:55:37,136
which found that lapd and

1720
00:55:37,136 --> 00:55:37,802
investigated 161 car owners

1721
00:55:37,802 --> 00:55:40,202
whose vehicles were wrongly

1722
00:55:41,739 --> 00:55:44,543
identified as stolen by Flock.

1723
00:55:44,543 --> 00:55:45,743
A study close to 1500 flock

1724
00:55:45,743 --> 00:55:46,712
cameras report in Roseville,

1725
00:55:46,712 --> 00:55:47,312
California found that the

1726
00:55:47,312 --> 00:55:49,712
cameras failed to detect

1727
00:55:50,282 --> 00:55:52,184
license plate. 71 1% of the

1728
00:55:52,184 --> 00:55:53,218
time.

1729
00:55:53,218 --> 00:55:54,186
What we're trying to build with

1730
00:55:54,186 --> 00:55:55,855
this is additional safeguards.

1731
00:55:55,855 --> 00:55:56,521
Additional guardrails to show

1732
00:55:56,521 --> 00:55:58,921
accountability to the public

1733
00:55:59,757 --> 00:56:01,226
said James Lewis amputees risk

1734
00:56:01,226 --> 00:56:02,261
manager.

1735
00:56:02,261 --> 00:56:03,828
That framework already exists.

1736
00:56:03,828 --> 00:56:04,529
We've been telling you exist.

1737
00:56:04,529 --> 00:56:06,865
It's been caught. See, cops is

1738
00:56:06,865 --> 00:56:07,767
called community control over

1739
00:56:07,767 --> 00:56:09,767
police surveillance. In

1740
00:56:09,834 --> 00:56:10,870
addition to ending the standard

1741
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:11,770
spot contract at the bare

1742
00:56:11,770 --> 00:56:13,872
minimum, a framework is needed

1743
00:56:13,872 --> 00:56:14,507
for Milwaukee residents and the

1744
00:56:14,507 --> 00:56:16,976
Common Council to have the

1745
00:56:16,976 --> 00:56:18,677
ability to approve an audit

1746
00:56:18,677 --> 00:56:19,377
existing or proposed

1747
00:56:19,377 --> 00:56:20,450
surveillance tools. That's the

1748
00:56:20,450 --> 00:56:22,615
accountability who are in a

1749
00:56:22,615 --> 00:56:25,615
sense have been asking for.

1750
00:56:25,785 --> 00:56:28,185
Thank you. Thank you.

1751
00:56:36,830 --> 00:56:38,830
Meghan Keyes.

1752
00:56:48,842 --> 00:56:49,442
Good evening. My name is Megan

1753
00:56:49,442 --> 00:56:53,420
and I've been a city of

1754
00:56:53,879 --> 00:56:55,782
Milwaukee resident for 15 years

1755
00:56:55,782 --> 00:56:56,982
and also pretty active in the

1756
00:56:56,982 --> 00:56:59,382
district 3, but the Aldermanic

1757
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:00,619
district 3 has a neighborhood

1758
00:57:00,619 --> 00:57:01,821
leader and I try to attend all

1759
00:57:01,821 --> 00:57:03,957
the town Try to take the

1760
00:57:03,957 --> 00:57:04,890
minutes for the aldermen as

1761
00:57:04,890 --> 00:57:07,270
well. There's been so many

1762
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:08,994
important comments given

1763
00:57:08,994 --> 00:57:09,863
tonight by the public. And I

1764
00:57:09,863 --> 00:57:10,796
think sometimes we all think

1765
00:57:10,796 --> 00:57:13,400
like our voice does not matter.

1766
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,660
But I think the collective

1767
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:15,936
voice of all of us together

1768
00:57:15,936 --> 00:57:18,710
does is important. And we

1769
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:19,906
should all try to overcome our

1770
00:57:19,906 --> 00:57:21,174
own fears and anxieties of

1771
00:57:21,174 --> 00:57:21,808
speaking up. These are however

1772
00:57:21,808 --> 00:57:24,208
intimidating. It MAY feel

1773
00:57:24,744 --> 00:57:25,378
because it is important for all

1774
00:57:25,378 --> 00:57:27,778
of us to speak.

1775
00:57:28,381 --> 00:57:29,516
Automatic license plate readers

1776
00:57:29,516 --> 00:57:30,217
are being used to track our

1777
00:57:30,217 --> 00:57:31,518
movements, Spider Communities

1778
00:57:31,518 --> 00:57:33,918
and compile detailed databases

1779
00:57:35,522 --> 00:57:36,523
on everywhere. We travel and

1780
00:57:36,523 --> 00:57:39,493
our vehicles. I'm not an expert

1781
00:57:39,493 --> 00:57:41,495
on these things. And I've been

1782
00:57:41,495 --> 00:57:44,310
learning a lot more as we go.

1783
00:57:44,310 --> 00:57:44,764
But that data doesn't just stay

1784
00:57:44,764 --> 00:57:48,350
in one place. It's being shared

1785
00:57:48,350 --> 00:57:50,238
directly and indirectly with

1786
00:57:50,238 --> 00:57:51,105
other agencies. Whether or not

1787
00:57:51,105 --> 00:57:51,805
we're told it's not being

1788
00:57:51,805 --> 00:57:54,205
shared it. The infrastructure

1789
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:55,809
is there for it to be shared

1790
00:57:55,809 --> 00:57:56,477
and we don't really have like

1791
00:57:56,477 --> 00:57:57,411
people have been saying the

1792
00:57:57,411 --> 00:58:00,411
guardrails to tell where and

1793
00:58:01,382 --> 00:58:02,115
what that information is being

1794
00:58:02,115 --> 00:58:05,715
used for. It's also been abused

1795
00:58:05,819 --> 00:58:08,756
and misused as we just heard

1796
00:58:08,756 --> 00:58:10,424
all of the examples. Also them

1797
00:58:10,424 --> 00:58:11,291
one of the biggest concerns for

1798
00:58:11,291 --> 00:58:15,491
me is that the mpd has been

1799
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:17,965
quietly entering these no-bid

1800
00:58:17,965 --> 00:58:19,100
contracts as I believe, Amelia

1801
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:20,168
was sharing more of the

1802
00:58:20,168 --> 00:58:20,902
intricacies of that, but

1803
00:58:20,902 --> 00:58:23,302
bypassing the Common Council's

1804
00:58:23,938 --> 00:58:26,700
approval and not having the

1805
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:28,900
community give there their

1806
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:28,743
input. Not to mention all of

1807
00:58:28,743 --> 00:58:31,212
the amount of money being spent

1808
00:58:31,212 --> 00:58:33,470
on all of these surveillance

1809
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:33,749
technology contracts. I think

1810
00:58:33,749 --> 00:58:36,510
we hear a lot that the mpd is

1811
00:58:36,510 --> 00:58:38,451
frequently complaining of not

1812
00:58:39,353 --> 00:58:40,220
having enough money. I was

1813
00:58:40,220 --> 00:58:40,721
recently at

1814
00:58:40,721 --> 00:58:43,721
the East Side Public Safety

1815
00:58:44,625 --> 00:58:45,594
Town hall. I believe you were

1816
00:58:45,594 --> 00:58:47,361
there as well. I'm hearing a

1817
00:58:47,361 --> 00:58:48,663
lot about how more money for

1818
00:58:48,663 --> 00:58:50,598
hiring and things like that

1819
00:58:50,598 --> 00:58:51,265
and the millions of dollars

1820
00:58:51,265 --> 00:58:54,169
being spent on this that the

1821
00:58:54,169 --> 00:58:55,736
public does not want. I feel

1822
00:58:55,736 --> 00:58:56,771
like there's money there.

1823
00:58:56,771 --> 00:58:57,639
So the commission, this

1824
00:58:57,639 --> 00:58:58,906
commission and the Common

1825
00:58:58,906 --> 00:59:00,676
Council and the mayor have the

1826
00:59:00,676 --> 00:59:01,242
power to help protect us from

1827
00:59:01,242 --> 00:59:03,642
this extreme level of

1828
00:59:07,482 --> 00:59:08,150
surveillance in violation of

1829
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:08,816
our rights. The asa aclu has

1830
00:59:08,816 --> 00:59:10,816
regulations recommended some

1831
00:59:12,420 --> 00:59:14,489
just going to read those as

1832
00:59:14,489 --> 00:59:17,493
I agree with them. So we need

1833
00:59:17,493 --> 00:59:19,128
the eu and the entire city to

1834
00:59:19,128 --> 00:59:19,827
create the strict regulations

1835
00:59:19,827 --> 00:59:22,131
of limiting data retention to

1836
00:59:22,131 --> 00:59:22,798
hours or days, not weeks or a

1837
00:59:22,798 --> 00:59:25,798
month or more. Obviously the

1838
00:59:26,201 --> 00:59:29,138
main goal would be to get rid

1839
00:59:29,138 --> 00:59:30,139
of this in general. But also

1840
00:59:30,139 --> 00:59:30,806
limiting data sharing by

1841
00:59:30,806 --> 00:59:33,206
sharing by prohibiting local

1842
00:59:33,542 --> 00:59:35,942
law enforcement from providing

1843
00:59:37,446 --> 00:59:38,514
access to any other government

1844
00:59:38,514 --> 00:59:40,583
entity limiting usage to felony

1845
00:59:40,583 --> 00:59:41,650
investigations, missing persons

1846
00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:42,852
cases identifying unregistered

1847
00:59:42,852 --> 00:59:45,252
uninsured vehicles and certain

1848
00:59:46,155 --> 00:59:47,156
limited not enforcement

1849
00:59:47,156 --> 00:59:48,791
scenarios.

1850
00:59:48,791 --> 00:59:51,326
That situation on the highway

1851
00:59:51,326 --> 00:59:53,362
with the woman. Brookfield is

1852
00:59:53,362 --> 00:59:54,830
just terrifying. And I know

1853
00:59:54,830 --> 00:59:57,830
people of color are fearful

1854
00:59:58,434 --> 00:59:59,670
all the time of being pulled

1855
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:59,803
over. But that was just so

1856
00:59:59,803 --> 01:00:03,573
extreme. I think it all made us

1857
01:00:03,573 --> 01:00:04,339
feel something when we saw

1858
01:00:04,339 --> 01:00:05,700
that. And like they were saying

1859
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:08,700
like you don't really think

1860
01:00:09,110 --> 01:00:11,880
of the after effects losing

1861
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:12,481
your job. I actually was a

1862
01:00:12,481 --> 01:00:13,182
special ed teacher and a

1863
01:00:13,182 --> 01:00:15,582
vocational councilor Dai work

1864
01:00:15,686 --> 01:00:17,520
with people trying to return to

1865
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:18,587
work after traumatic incidents

1866
01:00:18,587 --> 01:00:19,556
and there's more to it than

1867
01:00:19,556 --> 01:00:20,222
just like, oops, we made a

1868
01:00:20,222 --> 01:00:23,222
mistake. Sorry, like this is

1869
01:00:24,894 --> 01:00:25,828
actually people's lives that

1870
01:00:25,828 --> 01:00:26,763
we are impacting and then

1871
01:00:26,763 --> 01:00:28,763
requiring annual usage

1872
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:32,980
reporting and placing limits on

1873
01:00:32,135 --> 01:00:33,103
the availability of these

1874
01:00:33,103 --> 01:00:34,270
surveillance technologies.

1875
01:00:34,270 --> 01:00:36,739
Again, I'm not an expert, but I

1876
01:00:36,739 --> 01:00:40,339
do think it's important for all

1877
01:00:40,677 --> 01:00:42,946
of us to continue putting the

1878
01:00:42,946 --> 01:00:43,581
pressure on the city for doing

1879
01:00:43,581 --> 01:00:46,490
what is right and not just

1880
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:46,984
giving into these contracts and

1881
01:00:46,984 --> 01:00:49,530
spending all this money.

1882
01:00:49,530 --> 01:00:49,720
These cameras are collecting

1883
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,720
sensitive data that could be

1884
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:53,958
used to violate our It is

1885
01:00:53,958 --> 01:00:55,458
violating our rights. You the

1886
01:00:55,458 --> 01:00:57,527
mpd, the Common Council and the

1887
01:00:57,527 --> 01:00:59,597
mayor must act now to ban flock

1888
01:00:59,597 --> 01:01:01,464
and stop its use immediately.

1889
01:01:01,464 --> 01:01:02,533
And if you're not going to do

1890
01:01:02,533 --> 01:01:03,800
that, do that at least put

1891
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,800
actual real protections in and

1892
01:01:06,970 --> 01:01:09,970
not just kind of fluff

1893
01:01:10,174 --> 01:01:12,174
statements. Thank you.

1894
01:01:31,462 --> 01:01:33,397
Good evening. My name is Marie

1895
01:01:33,397 --> 01:01:35,432
speaking on behalf of those

1896
01:01:35,432 --> 01:01:37,502
consummate some civic lines.

1897
01:01:37,502 --> 01:01:38,335
I'm here today to ask city of

1898
01:01:38,335 --> 01:01:39,400
Milwaukee. Officials tend the

1899
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,380
city's contract with flock.

1900
01:01:41,380 --> 01:01:41,772
What flocking other automatic

1901
01:01:41,772 --> 01:01:44,609
license plate readers while the

1902
01:01:44,609 --> 01:01:45,743
reforms announced by the city

1903
01:01:45,743 --> 01:01:47,120
are step in the right

1904
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,612
direction, pr companies like

1905
01:01:48,612 --> 01:01:50,515
flocks our communities and

1906
01:01:50,515 --> 01:01:52,617
violate the privacy of everyday

1907
01:01:52,617 --> 01:01:53,250
citizens. We haven't members.

1908
01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:53,951
We've seen members of the

1909
01:01:53,951 --> 01:01:56,351
police misuse this technology

1910
01:01:57,823 --> 01:01:58,489
by Stocking x's and romantic

1911
01:01:58,489 --> 01:02:00,659
partners. Flock cameras have

1912
01:02:00,659 --> 01:02:01,893
been used to track protesters

1913
01:02:01,893 --> 01:02:02,694
and terrorize immigrant

1914
01:02:02,694 --> 01:02:04,629
communities, automatic license

1915
01:02:04,629 --> 01:02:05,831
plate readers can track and

1916
01:02:05,831 --> 01:02:06,497
monitor every detail and

1917
01:02:06,497 --> 01:02:08,165
movements of a person's life

1918
01:02:08,165 --> 01:02:08,834
such as whether they are

1919
01:02:08,834 --> 01:02:09,468
attending a house of worship

1920
01:02:09,468 --> 01:02:11,868
where they buy groceries.

1921
01:02:12,338 --> 01:02:13,405
And if they are attending a

1922
01:02:13,405 --> 01:02:15,405
protest.

1923
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:16,941
The use of flock cameras poses

1924
01:02:16,941 --> 01:02:17,642
serious risks to immigrant and

1925
01:02:17,642 --> 01:02:18,343
other marginalized communities

1926
01:02:18,343 --> 01:02:20,743
who historically been victims

1927
01:02:21,213 --> 01:02:21,847
of warrantless surveillance

1928
01:02:21,847 --> 01:02:22,547
justified in Islamophobia.

1929
01:02:22,547 --> 01:02:25,547
And the notion that particular

1930
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:26,986
communities constitute a threat

1931
01:02:26,986 --> 01:02:27,687
more than others.

1932
01:02:27,687 --> 01:02:28,386
Law enforcement should not be

1933
01:02:28,386 --> 01:02:30,822
able to search for a location

1934
01:02:30,822 --> 01:02:32,157
information without first

1935
01:02:32,157 --> 01:02:32,692
obtaining a warrant. The usage

1936
01:02:32,692 --> 01:02:35,920
of flock cameras is

1937
01:02:35,161 --> 01:02:35,894
particularly concerning at this

1938
01:02:35,894 --> 01:02:38,730
moment in time were anti Muslim

1939
01:02:38,730 --> 01:02:39,532
rhetoric is at an all-time

1940
01:02:39,532 --> 01:02:40,433
high.

1941
01:02:40,433 --> 01:02:41,601
Putting the Muslim community at

1942
01:02:41,601 --> 01:02:42,300
an increased risk of misuse of

1943
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:44,700
surveillance technology by any

1944
01:02:46,205 --> 01:02:47,106
bad actors in law enforcement.

1945
01:02:47,106 --> 01:02:49,107
Danczuk power that block

1946
01:02:49,107 --> 01:02:49,742
technology gives to the

1947
01:02:49,742 --> 01:02:51,177
government poses a serious

1948
01:02:51,177 --> 01:02:52,110
threat to our communities,

1949
01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:53,145
privacy and freedom of

1950
01:02:53,145 --> 01:02:53,813
movement. Please take action.

1951
01:02:53,813 --> 01:02:54,479
And the city of Milwaukee is

1952
01:02:54,479 --> 01:02:57,282
contract with flock and any

1953
01:02:57,282 --> 01:03:00,282
other alpr company. Thank you.

1954
01:03:41,494 --> 01:03:43,563
Of flock cameras are meant to

1955
01:03:43,563 --> 01:03:44,765
protect us. I think you're

1956
01:03:44,765 --> 01:03:45,498
equating surveillance with

1957
01:03:45,498 --> 01:03:47,633
protection. Not a single person

1958
01:03:47,633 --> 01:03:48,435
here. Feel safer. Being watched

1959
01:03:48,435 --> 01:03:49,680
every second. And I bet you

1960
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,468
wouldn't feel safe there.

1961
01:03:51,938 --> 01:03:52,639
The flock cameras outside of

1962
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:53,306
your house. We're training our

1963
01:03:53,306 --> 01:03:55,108
civil liberties, first-let's

1964
01:03:55,108 --> 01:03:55,775
safety and more intrusion into

1965
01:03:55,775 --> 01:03:58,775
our lives. We've already had

1966
01:03:59,712 --> 01:04:00,746
2 abuses with flock flocked

1967
01:04:00,746 --> 01:04:01,414
by officers. The Sheboygan

1968
01:04:01,414 --> 01:04:02,810
mayor clues accuse Flock of

1969
01:04:02,810 --> 01:04:04,250
violating their contract and

1970
01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:06,220
abusing their own citizens.

1971
01:04:06,220 --> 01:04:07,220
It's Milwaukee waiting for a

1972
01:04:07,220 --> 01:04:08,821
violation. Before we end these

1973
01:04:08,821 --> 01:04:10,691
contracts. Are we waiting to we

1974
01:04:10,691 --> 01:04:12,993
mess up more and more and more

1975
01:04:12,993 --> 01:04:14,595
until we can enough anymore.

1976
01:04:14,595 --> 01:04:17,531
All you change that the

1977
01:04:17,531 --> 01:04:18,164
supervisors cannot violate our

1978
01:04:18,164 --> 01:04:19,398
privacy, not just any cup.

1979
01:04:19,398 --> 01:04:20,233
How much is the public supposed

1980
01:04:20,233 --> 01:04:23,637
to take before? It's too much.

1981
01:04:23,637 --> 01:04:24,303
We expect leaders in positions

1982
01:04:24,303 --> 01:04:24,972
of power to lead us. Do your

1983
01:04:24,972 --> 01:04:27,508
job to listen to the public,

1984
01:04:27,508 --> 01:04:30,508
get rid of these cameras

1985
01:04:30,576 --> 01:04:32,576
forever.

1986
01:04:59,740 --> 01:05:00,407
Need to be say so they don't

1987
01:05:00,407 --> 01:05:04,700
are okay with the fact they

1988
01:05:04,244 --> 01:05:06,130
don't k with the issue to all

1989
01:05:06,130 --> 01:05:06,680
I'm here. Just as a resident.

1990
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,830
I have some written him off

1991
01:05:09,830 --> 01:05:09,783
all, but I was I they don't

1992
01:05:09,783 --> 01:05:13,210
already say it all day. So as

1993
01:05:13,210 --> 01:05:14,621
a resident of the city, I grew

1994
01:05:14,621 --> 01:05:15,222
up here, I raise my kids here

1995
01:05:15,222 --> 01:05:18,692
and I still live here. I

1996
01:05:18,692 --> 01:05:21,296
thought about leaving this city

1997
01:05:21,296 --> 01:05:21,896
all because of elected official

1998
01:05:21,896 --> 01:05:22,463
that my taxpayer dollars

1999
01:05:22,463 --> 01:05:24,863
constantly give us the

2000
01:05:25,432 --> 01:05:26,133
taxpayer. They behind the kids

2001
01:05:26,133 --> 01:05:29,300
and we got tired. Okay, y'all

2002
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:31,439
cape his people off and indeed

2003
01:05:31,439 --> 01:05:32,105
they had

2004
01:05:32,105 --> 01:05:35,705
a response. The anger in his

2005
01:05:38,110 --> 01:05:38,780
Rome. This is right as justice.

2006
01:05:38,780 --> 01:05:40,615
That day, but they I know want

2007
01:05:40,615 --> 01:05:42,117
to have I'll have to pay taxes.

2008
01:05:42,117 --> 01:05:46,317
Job want to do. But that is

2009
01:05:46,321 --> 01:05:46,921
never going to come. You see

2010
01:05:46,921 --> 01:05:49,321
what I'm saying taxpayer

2011
01:05:50,792 --> 01:05:51,493
dollars pay every last one of

2012
01:05:51,493 --> 01:05:53,893
here. Y'all elected officials,

2013
01:05:56,165 --> 01:05:56,898
whether Yarmouk to or not the

2014
01:05:56,898 --> 01:05:57,599
mayor is now as for our boat

2015
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:00,200
and all acts for our money and

2016
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,138
all turn around and give a shot

2017
01:06:02,138 --> 01:06:05,138
behind case every time we

2018
01:06:10,945 --> 01:06:13,348
tailed all, we don't call

2019
01:06:13,348 --> 01:06:14,150
is getting shorter and shorter.

2020
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:15,717
We got to work just like all

2021
01:06:15,717 --> 01:06:18,286
week, locking and not a fight

2022
01:06:18,286 --> 01:06:21,289
just like y'all. But when y'all

2023
01:06:21,289 --> 01:06:22,257
direct deposit hit, that's our

2024
01:06:22,257 --> 01:06:23,358
money. That page all much.

2025
01:06:23,358 --> 01:06:24,590
It can be sure. But guess what,

2026
01:06:24,590 --> 01:06:27,495
y'all never going to be short

2027
01:06:27,495 --> 01:06:28,397
because our taxpayers don't

2028
01:06:28,397 --> 01:06:29,631
pay doll. So y'all probably

2029
01:06:29,631 --> 01:06:31,500
I got to worry about if y'all

2030
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:32,767
don't pay rent a bag,

2031
01:06:32,767 --> 01:06:36,380
groceries, a lot of us do.

2032
01:06:36,380 --> 01:06:38,574
We are here in the treaties

2033
01:06:38,574 --> 01:06:41,877
and every time we look up,

2034
01:06:41,877 --> 01:06:46,770
with bs on a platter with a

2035
01:06:46,482 --> 01:06:48,482
smile.

2036
01:06:55,570 --> 01:06:58,570
And then as budget season.

2037
01:07:00,464 --> 01:07:01,163
The cameras. So y'all took our

2038
01:07:01,163 --> 01:07:02,164
money. And y'all say we don't

2039
01:07:02,164 --> 01:07:02,865
do this, even though that the

2040
01:07:02,865 --> 01:07:05,768
people who pay for don't want

2041
01:07:05,768 --> 01:07:08,705
me. What's it? Does that make?

2042
01:07:08,705 --> 01:07:11,607
He is credit card and do what

2043
01:07:11,607 --> 01:07:13,743
they want to do with it with no

2044
01:07:13,743 --> 01:07:15,743
consequence.

2045
01:07:17,780 --> 01:07:20,483
What they want to do. And all

2046
01:07:20,483 --> 01:07:21,250
Guess what the city is our

2047
01:07:21,250 --> 01:07:24,850
house and we tell y'all that

2048
01:07:25,254 --> 01:07:26,388
this is our house and we all

2049
01:07:26,388 --> 01:07:27,657
use our money to do what I want

2050
01:07:27,657 --> 01:07:28,390
to do in our house. And we

2051
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:29,910
telling y'all we don't want to,

2052
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:32,691
I think come and they'll want

2053
01:07:32,695 --> 01:07:35,699
to know how to do it. I want

2054
01:07:35,699 --> 01:07:36,699
to do y'all don't enforce

2055
01:07:36,699 --> 01:07:38,567
about here. Ya. Go. Enforce

2056
01:07:38,567 --> 01:07:39,269
consequences. So that's what

2057
01:07:39,269 --> 01:07:42,269
we're doing today. We have 40

2058
01:07:42,538 --> 01:07:45,742
taking our money. If you want,

2059
01:07:45,742 --> 01:07:48,742
I want to go away.

2060
01:07:52,883 --> 01:07:57,830
And I see a shorter because now

2061
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,720
when it comes to $1000.

2062
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:07,297
Pete, Real or not.

2063
01:08:07,297 --> 01:08:10,134
Some don't cut me off day.

2064
01:08:10,134 --> 01:08:10,667
But this is real life that that

2065
01:08:10,667 --> 01:08:11,601
we got to deal with

2066
01:08:11,601 --> 01:08:13,601
shrinkflation inflation should

2067
01:08:15,138 --> 01:08:18,138
bring stress. We stressed out

2068
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:19,900
Okay. We got to deal with these

2069
01:08:19,900 --> 01:08:21,779
kids out here. Welcome to talk

2070
01:08:21,779 --> 01:08:24,779
about some guess what class.

2071
01:08:25,810 --> 01:08:27,751
We want to put brought Now.

2072
01:08:27,751 --> 01:08:29,886
You want to watch me to.

2073
01:08:29,886 --> 01:08:32,824
To give us the right dog.

2074
01:08:32,824 --> 01:08:36,126
Got to be like a cat and give

2075
01:08:36,126 --> 01:08:38,229
That's all we ask in got is

2076
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:40,229
here. The

2077
01:08:40,332 --> 01:08:43,332
can't take our taxpayer dollars

2078
01:08:44,335 --> 01:08:48,535
and he did do, which I want

2079
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,143
to do. If that's the case,

2080
01:08:52,143 --> 01:08:54,543
Listen to other people.

2081
01:08:59,985 --> 01:09:04,185
Know the county do not what he

2082
01:09:05,657 --> 01:09:08,570
said. It's not about 156,000

2083
01:09:14,365 --> 01:09:17,365
sidewalk in county who begging

2084
01:09:19,838 --> 01:09:22,390
I me my mine moment. But what?

2085
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:24,439
The county's they begin.

2086
01:09:25,344 --> 01:09:28,944
People. We keep telling all we

2087
01:09:31,283 --> 01:09:32,283
I got McDonald like.

2088
01:09:32,283 --> 01:09:35,283
Have people telling y'all we

2089
01:09:35,586 --> 01:09:38,586
ain't got Mac Donald's money.

2090
01:09:38,657 --> 01:09:40,657
Okay.

2091
01:09:42,361 --> 01:09:45,663
And what the tax payer is

2092
01:09:45,663 --> 01:09:48,667
it. We say we don't want these.

2093
01:09:48,667 --> 01:09:49,367
Any of you do not have hard to

2094
01:09:49,367 --> 01:09:52,967
do the right things that down

2095
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,676
and let somebody else do it.

2096
01:10:03,549 --> 01:10:05,417
Baby Ali, not out of the House

2097
01:10:05,417 --> 01:10:06,185
the House and home. You are a

2098
01:10:06,185 --> 01:10:09,785
time. So if you could briefly

2099
01:10:12,559 --> 01:10:16,159
conclude, ok, that's all I have

2100
01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:38,283
Good evening. Good evening,

2101
01:10:38,283 --> 01:10:41,153
everyone. Thanks for taking the

2102
01:10:41,153 --> 01:10:42,880
time to hear public comment

2103
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:42,721
tonight.

2104
01:10:42,721 --> 01:10:45,721
My name is Patrick Olsen.

2105
01:10:46,259 --> 01:10:47,327
I've lived in Milwaukee for

2106
01:10:47,327 --> 01:10:48,294
13 years. A chemist and an msu

2107
01:10:48,294 --> 01:10:50,330
alumnus. I've never come to a

2108
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:50,897
town hall before, but I care

2109
01:10:50,897 --> 01:10:51,565
about our city and our

2110
01:10:51,565 --> 01:10:54,565
communities too much to let

2111
01:10:54,667 --> 01:10:56,535
this issue go unchallenged.

2112
01:10:56,535 --> 01:10:57,604
Flock cameras are a violation

2113
01:10:57,604 --> 01:10:59,506
of her civil rights and a

2114
01:10:59,506 --> 01:11:00,173
national disgrace. They make me

2115
01:11:00,173 --> 01:11:00,840
feel less safe. And despite

2116
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,840
what flocks representatives

2117
01:11:03,243 --> 01:11:03,944
are paid to say, they make all

2118
01:11:03,944 --> 01:11:04,644
of us less safe, the database

2119
01:11:04,644 --> 01:11:06,646
that they build on us creates

2120
01:11:06,646 --> 01:11:09,460
vulnerability where none would

2121
01:11:10,284 --> 01:11:10,984
otherwise exist. And it's a

2122
01:11:10,984 --> 01:11:11,619
public safety issue. I'm here

2123
01:11:11,619 --> 01:11:15,880
to demand that the city of

2124
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:15,689
Milwaukee canceled its contract

2125
01:11:15,689 --> 01:11:16,990
with Flock. And that no

2126
01:11:16,990 --> 01:11:17,858
replacement contracts are made

2127
01:11:17,858 --> 01:11:18,558
with another lp provider like

2128
01:11:18,558 --> 01:11:21,461
Axon to install virtually the

2129
01:11:21,461 --> 01:11:23,230
same kinds of products in

2130
01:11:23,230 --> 01:11:25,230
flocks absence.

2131
01:11:25,265 --> 01:11:25,933
The power to watching collect

2132
01:11:25,933 --> 01:11:26,633
information on every single

2133
01:11:26,633 --> 01:11:28,468
person. 24 hours a day is not

2134
01:11:28,468 --> 01:11:29,350
something that can merely be

2135
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:30,972
mitigated with better

2136
01:11:30,972 --> 01:11:31,672
guardrails. This power simply

2137
01:11:31,672 --> 01:11:34,672
shouldn't exist. Not a single

2138
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:36,142
person can be trusted with it.

2139
01:11:36,142 --> 01:11:36,810
If you don't agree with me, if

2140
01:11:36,810 --> 01:11:37,478
you're one of the people who

2141
01:11:37,478 --> 01:11:40,281
shrugs off violations of the

2142
01:11:40,281 --> 01:11:41,348
4th Amendment by saying that

2143
01:11:41,348 --> 01:11:41,982
you have nothing to hide

2144
01:11:41,982 --> 01:11:42,683
tonight, challenge you to

2145
01:11:42,683 --> 01:11:45,252
invite the chief of police in

2146
01:11:45,252 --> 01:11:47,870
your home tonight and look

2147
01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:47,822
through your drawers.

2148
01:11:47,822 --> 01:11:50,691
Maybe you'd like to unlock your

2149
01:11:50,691 --> 01:11:51,659
phone and give it to the mayor

2150
01:11:51,659 --> 01:11:53,761
for a few hours.

2151
01:11:53,761 --> 01:11:54,728
Or allow a federal agent from

2152
01:11:54,728 --> 01:11:55,797
1000 miles away to watch your

2153
01:11:55,797 --> 01:11:57,732
kids at the playground in the

2154
01:11:57,732 --> 01:11:58,733
bus stop for the next couple

2155
01:11:58,733 --> 01:12:01,733
months. As long as they

2156
01:12:03,471 --> 01:12:04,271
promise. It's a very qualified

2157
01:12:04,271 --> 01:12:05,500
have legal mechanisms to

2158
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:07,405
collect security camera footage

2159
01:12:07,608 --> 01:12:08,275
or to otherwise monitor

2160
01:12:08,275 --> 01:12:10,275
potential criminal activity.

2161
01:12:11,780 --> 01:12:11,947
Alprs constitute warrantless

2162
01:12:11,947 --> 01:12:13,470
mass surveillance. We already

2163
01:12:13,470 --> 01:12:14,548
know how this technology gets

2164
01:12:14,548 --> 01:12:15,283
abused. And we've already seen

2165
01:12:15,283 --> 01:12:16,160
the very people responsible for

2166
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,416
investigating that abuse aren't

2167
01:12:18,753 --> 01:12:20,287
immune to abusing it either.

2168
01:12:20,287 --> 01:12:22,290
As an American, I grew up

2169
01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:24,291
learning about our freedoms and

2170
01:12:24,291 --> 01:12:27,261
the rights that we fought for

2171
01:12:27,261 --> 01:12:27,896
reading books like 1984, in

2172
01:12:27,896 --> 01:12:28,597
Fahrenheit 4.51 In school

2173
01:12:28,597 --> 01:12:30,665
spending my life getting told

2174
01:12:30,665 --> 01:12:31,165
how thankful I should be that

2175
01:12:31,165 --> 01:12:33,969
I don't live in an

2176
01:12:33,969 --> 01:12:36,369
authoritarian state like Russia

2177
01:12:36,505 --> 01:12:39,841
or China. The people who agree

2178
01:12:39,841 --> 01:12:41,376
to these contracts. My fellow

2179
01:12:41,376 --> 01:12:42,430
known better.

2180
01:12:42,430 --> 01:12:42,710
I'm disappointed in the poor

2181
01:12:42,710 --> 01:12:44,578
judgment shown by the people

2182
01:12:44,578 --> 01:12:47,578
who allowed flocking to our

2183
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:48,716
city. But really what

2184
01:12:48,716 --> 01:12:50,684
disappoints me the most is the

2185
01:12:50,684 --> 01:12:51,952
apparent naive im not

2186
01:12:51,952 --> 01:12:52,654
considering that this

2187
01:12:52,654 --> 01:12:53,921
technology, the continuous and

2188
01:12:53,921 --> 01:12:54,588
centralized tracking and

2189
01:12:54,588 --> 01:12:56,588
categorization of everybody

2190
01:12:58,627 --> 01:13:00,595
can be turned against you at

2191
01:13:00,595 --> 01:13:01,630
some point. And if not a new

2192
01:13:01,630 --> 01:13:02,831
members of your political party

2193
01:13:02,831 --> 01:13:03,532
or your friends or your family.

2194
01:13:03,532 --> 01:13:06,535
And if not now, then when the

2195
01:13:06,535 --> 01:13:08,637
next people take the reins of

2196
01:13:08,637 --> 01:13:10,338
power. None of us are safe from

2197
01:13:10,338 --> 01:13:10,939
the threats posed by the alp

2198
01:13:10,939 --> 01:13:11,641
ours. We're already all

2199
01:13:11,641 --> 01:13:14,342
endangered by the data they've

2200
01:13:14,342 --> 01:13:15,811
collected up until this point.

2201
01:13:15,811 --> 01:13:16,444
But we all deserve to be safe

2202
01:13:16,444 --> 01:13:19,382
and to start making things

2203
01:13:19,382 --> 01:13:22,382
better. Now, please do the

2204
01:13:22,552 --> 01:13:24,552
right thing.

2205
01:13:35,898 --> 01:13:37,898
Markel Crawford.

2206
01:13:46,876 --> 01:13:48,876
Good evening.

2207
01:13:50,947 --> 01:13:53,715
I've been waiting a long time

2208
01:13:53,715 --> 01:13:54,884
for this moment.

2209
01:13:54,884 --> 01:13:56,953
As you have heard basis said,

2210
01:13:56,953 --> 01:13:58,988
we speak. The people have

2211
01:13:58,988 --> 01:14:02,191
spoken I love the way everyone

2212
01:14:02,191 --> 01:14:04,591
came up. Everyone came

2213
01:14:04,594 --> 01:14:06,594
together.

2214
01:14:12,268 --> 01:14:12,902
Validate an icy. The fact that

2215
01:14:12,902 --> 01:14:15,302
agreement with the people.

2216
01:14:15,505 --> 01:14:17,642
There was, you know, a little

2217
01:14:17,642 --> 01:14:19,676
bit misunderstanding. But I

2218
01:14:19,676 --> 01:14:22,440
do respect it. And I respect

2219
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:25,644
the people as well. The people

2220
01:14:27,618 --> 01:14:28,885
have spoken. What I was going

2221
01:14:28,885 --> 01:14:30,453
to say. Was that Flock has been

2222
01:14:30,453 --> 01:14:32,853
proven in this surveillance

2223
01:14:35,626 --> 01:14:36,225
has been proven to not work.

2224
01:14:36,225 --> 01:14:39,825
It's been proven to be a

2225
01:14:42,132 --> 01:14:43,767
hindrance rather than a help.

2226
01:14:43,767 --> 01:14:45,869
It's been proven to actually

2227
01:14:45,869 --> 01:14:48,304
not be what the people want.

2228
01:14:48,304 --> 01:14:50,841
And it's the people who really

2229
01:14:50,841 --> 01:14:53,844
want it want to use it against

2230
01:14:53,844 --> 01:14:56,244
you. They're they're wanting

2231
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,800
to use these surveillance

2232
01:14:59,148 --> 01:15:02,148
systems. To attack even you.

2233
01:15:02,453 --> 01:15:06,530
When you don't agree with them.

2234
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:08,959
I don't want to make it long

2235
01:15:08,959 --> 01:15:10,227
because I love the people and

2236
01:15:10,227 --> 01:15:13,664
I want them to speak. So for

2237
01:15:13,664 --> 01:15:16,835
the rest of my time, I can see.

2238
01:15:16,835 --> 01:15:18,835
Thank you.

2239
01:15:27,878 --> 01:15:29,878
Kevin says Perez.

2240
01:15:39,791 --> 01:15:40,858
Good evening. Good evening.

2241
01:15:40,858 --> 01:15:43,858
If you like. It's pretty

2242
01:15:43,894 --> 01:15:45,629
outrageous that we're here

2243
01:15:45,629 --> 01:15:47,297
right now.

2244
01:15:47,297 --> 01:15:50,897
It was many, many months ago

2245
01:15:51,268 --> 01:15:51,969
that that's from was packed

2246
01:15:51,969 --> 01:15:55,569
and everybody was like we need

2247
01:15:57,107 --> 01:15:57,909
to band Flock and all lp ours.

2248
01:15:57,909 --> 01:15:58,509
These are all the reasons.

2249
01:15:58,509 --> 01:16:01,509
And you've heard so many

2250
01:16:01,913 --> 01:16:04,810
reasons tonight over the past

2251
01:16:04,810 --> 01:16:04,983
months about the surveillance,

2252
01:16:04,983 --> 01:16:06,717
how evil of the corporation

2253
01:16:06,717 --> 01:16:07,452
flock is, how we don't feel

2254
01:16:07,452 --> 01:16:09,387
safe. That's going to be misuse

2255
01:16:09,387 --> 01:16:12,387
abuse. All these things have

2256
01:16:12,690 --> 01:16:15,690
been stated. At that point.

2257
01:16:19,998 --> 01:16:22,998
Fox should have been banned.

2258
01:16:23,635 --> 01:16:24,269
The people, right. We see the

2259
01:16:24,269 --> 01:16:26,137
wcc the misuse. We see the

2260
01:16:26,137 --> 01:16:27,138
continued surveillance and the

2261
01:16:27,138 --> 01:16:29,538
negative effects that's having

2262
01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:33,312
the lack of safety that people

2263
01:16:33,312 --> 01:16:34,913
feel. So we packed the room

2264
01:16:34,913 --> 01:16:37,313
again. We tell you.

2265
01:16:38,490 --> 01:16:42,530
We want flock and all lpr is

2266
01:16:42,530 --> 01:16:45,530
banned and again, the people

2267
01:16:45,191 --> 01:16:45,857
are not listened to and we have

2268
01:16:45,857 --> 01:16:46,558
a few little tweaks are will

2269
01:16:46,558 --> 01:16:48,159
take could wave of the use of

2270
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:51,430
flock away from a few of these

2271
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:52,960
police officers that that

2272
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:52,697
should fix it will have the

2273
01:16:52,697 --> 01:16:54,165
please keep other police

2274
01:16:54,165 --> 01:16:56,565
accountable. That should work.

2275
01:17:06,579 --> 01:17:07,280
It doesn't work. We have more

2276
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,583
problems. We see it. Not only

2277
01:17:10,583 --> 01:17:12,583
Milwaukee across Wisconsin

2278
01:17:12,852 --> 01:17:14,687
across the whole country.

2279
01:17:14,687 --> 01:17:16,856
Hand, it turns out there's a

2280
01:17:16,856 --> 01:17:17,623
whole bunch of other places

2281
01:17:17,623 --> 01:17:18,324
that are like, oh, yeah, the

2282
01:17:18,324 --> 01:17:20,192
people have spoken the right.

2283
01:17:20,192 --> 01:17:23,792
We're going to listen to them.

2284
01:17:27,633 --> 01:17:28,267
We're going to ban flock.

2285
01:17:28,267 --> 01:17:30,237
Liberal Madison to make a

2286
01:17:30,237 --> 01:17:31,360
Republican Ron DeSantis in

2287
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,360
Florida like this isn't a

2288
01:17:35,141 --> 01:17:36,909
partisan thing. This is like a

2289
01:17:36,909 --> 01:17:37,611
public safety thing. And we

2290
01:17:37,611 --> 01:17:39,813
hear that from from npd from

2291
01:17:39,813 --> 01:17:42,813
Chief Norman had it's about

2292
01:17:43,115 --> 01:17:44,117
safety. Look at the these but

2293
01:17:44,117 --> 01:17:44,783
criminals we've arrested.

2294
01:17:44,783 --> 01:17:47,687
That's that we've been tell

2295
01:17:47,687 --> 01:17:50,687
you. That's not what's keeping

2296
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:51,758
us safe.

2297
01:17:51,758 --> 01:17:54,950
It's we feel unsafe because

2298
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:57,950
of all the surveillance that's

2299
01:17:57,998 --> 01:17:58,664
going on because there's data

2300
01:17:58,664 --> 01:18:02,350
Taken from all of us and we

2301
01:18:02,350 --> 01:18:04,370
don't know what's happening

2302
01:18:04,370 --> 01:18:04,737
with that because we have

2303
01:18:04,737 --> 01:18:07,720
members of our community, our

2304
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,720
friends that are being stalked

2305
01:18:10,910 --> 01:18:11,845
by this like this is what's

2306
01:18:11,845 --> 01:18:13,280
making us unsafe. And this is

2307
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,981
what's been saying for months,

2308
01:18:15,981 --> 01:18:19,581
the and saying all this and

2309
01:18:19,953 --> 01:18:20,654
happened. The people happened.

2310
01:18:20,654 --> 01:18:23,924
Listen to as much as everyone

2311
01:18:23,924 --> 01:18:24,991
all of you to come council,

2312
01:18:24,991 --> 01:18:26,794
the mayor.

2313
01:18:26,794 --> 01:18:28,940
It's we've been listening.

2314
01:18:28,940 --> 01:18:28,995
You know, you haven't been

2315
01:18:28,995 --> 01:18:29,629
listening because we've told

2316
01:18:29,629 --> 01:18:32,629
you exactly for months and

2317
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:33,700
months what it's going to

2318
01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:37,300
happen, how we feel and every

2319
01:18:37,504 --> 01:18:38,171
little tweak, the slow reform.

2320
01:18:38,171 --> 01:18:41,171
That's not working. The only

2321
01:18:44,244 --> 01:18:45,179
thing though, work is banning.

2322
01:18:45,179 --> 01:18:48,114
Flock and they'll be ours.

2323
01:18:48,114 --> 01:18:50,514
Please listen. Finally, listen

2324
01:18:51,419 --> 01:18:55,190
to the people and do it.

2325
01:18:55,223 --> 01:18:55,989
We're asking to cancel.

2326
01:18:55,989 --> 01:18:56,691
All acts on Jan attacked all

2327
01:18:56,691 --> 01:18:58,159
these other companies that we

2328
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:01,159
have cameras out because, you

2329
01:19:01,228 --> 01:19:01,963
know, flock isn't the only come

2330
01:19:01,963 --> 01:19:04,831
Milwaukee, all of them. We want

2331
01:19:04,831 --> 01:19:08,431
gone and not here. Thank you.

2332
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:19,100
Galle, Middle breath.

2333
01:19:24,886 --> 01:19:27,286
Good evening. Good evening.

2334
01:19:30,658 --> 01:19:31,993
You have my This is off the

2335
01:19:31,993 --> 01:19:33,795
cuff I'm a lifelong resident

2336
01:19:33,795 --> 01:19:34,428
of the city and I'm not retired

2337
01:19:34,428 --> 01:19:36,428
Milwaukee public schools,

2338
01:19:37,331 --> 01:19:40,931
teacher. And so I I've had.

2339
01:19:42,737 --> 01:19:43,438
Working with the Milwaukee

2340
01:19:43,438 --> 01:19:44,710
Police Department, I'll start

2341
01:19:44,710 --> 01:19:46,942
with a positive. One was I

2342
01:19:46,942 --> 01:19:49,942
believe his name was Officer

2343
01:19:50,879 --> 01:19:51,946
Wilkerson, Wilkins Wilkerson

2344
01:19:51,946 --> 01:19:52,547
members partner's name and

2345
01:19:52,547 --> 01:19:53,815
maybe save my life in a

2346
01:19:53,815 --> 01:19:55,815
domestic violence situation.

2347
01:19:55,817 --> 01:19:57,119
Any advice be going forward and

2348
01:19:57,119 --> 01:19:58,530
the device was excellent.

2349
01:19:58,530 --> 01:19:58,687
I wish I could have run into

2350
01:19:58,687 --> 01:20:01,890
Lincoln someday, but I did

2351
01:20:01,890 --> 01:20:01,789
write a letter to his

2352
01:20:01,789 --> 01:20:02,423
supervisor back then. And then

2353
01:20:02,423 --> 01:20:05,793
on the other hand, I have

2354
01:20:05,793 --> 01:20:07,796
worked with let's just call

2355
01:20:07,796 --> 01:20:08,764
him officer putts to the

2356
01:20:08,764 --> 01:20:09,832
schools and there was a serious

2357
01:20:09,832 --> 01:20:11,900
incident that I have to be

2358
01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:13,535
involved with. And and somebody

2359
01:20:13,535 --> 01:20:16,370
was injured to the point of

2360
01:20:16,370 --> 01:20:19,370
surgery and the little guy,

2361
01:20:19,340 --> 01:20:19,941
his family took Waukee Police

2362
01:20:19,941 --> 01:20:20,609
Department to court.

2363
01:20:20,609 --> 01:20:23,711
So it was called to testify.

2364
01:20:23,711 --> 01:20:25,848
People had their attorneys is

2365
01:20:25,848 --> 01:20:26,515
very stressful.

2366
01:20:26,515 --> 01:20:29,170
And then the parent told me,

2367
01:20:29,170 --> 01:20:29,718
Oh, it's all good. We don't

2368
01:20:29,718 --> 01:20:30,419
have to go forward. Milwaukee

2369
01:20:30,419 --> 01:20:31,190
Police Department said they're

2370
01:20:31,190 --> 01:20:33,222
going to cut us a check.

2371
01:20:33,222 --> 01:20:33,956
We don't have to go through the

2372
01:20:33,956 --> 01:20:36,559
court process and it was a lie.

2373
01:20:36,559 --> 01:20:37,192
So they had to start it all

2374
01:20:37,192 --> 01:20:37,894
up again because there was

2375
01:20:37,894 --> 01:20:41,196
never a check sent to them for

2376
01:20:41,196 --> 01:20:43,599
the child's injuries. And so.

2377
01:20:43,599 --> 01:20:47,636
The trust factor that I have is

2378
01:20:47,636 --> 01:20:48,270
a mixed bag. You know, I I feel

2379
01:20:48,270 --> 01:20:50,670
police officers and other

2380
01:20:51,541 --> 01:20:53,941
situations on the summerfest,

2381
01:20:57,313 --> 01:20:57,946
security and a couple the rules

2382
01:20:57,946 --> 01:21:00,816
There's just a trust trust

2383
01:21:00,816 --> 01:21:03,452
issue. And it's based on facts

2384
01:21:03,452 --> 01:21:04,154
that I've lived in my life.

2385
01:21:04,154 --> 01:21:04,887
It's so I can't really say you

2386
01:21:04,887 --> 01:21:07,287
have enough officer Wilkerson's

2387
01:21:07,556 --> 01:21:10,159
to make it safe for us to have.

2388
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:13,300
All these cameras. I just don't

2389
01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:16,630
have the trust there. And I.

2390
01:21:19,203 --> 01:21:22,203
Get rid of them. Please.

2391
01:21:22,371 --> 01:21:24,371
Thank you.

2392
01:21:45,562 --> 01:21:47,562
Good evening.

2393
01:21:50,233 --> 01:21:52,435
I like to start off by saying

2394
01:21:52,435 --> 01:21:55,472
I come to all these meetings

2395
01:21:55,472 --> 01:21:58,408
and I never really speak at

2396
01:21:58,408 --> 01:22:00,978
them. But I feel compelled to

2397
01:22:00,978 --> 01:22:03,978
this time just because this

2398
01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:06,149
has been. An ongoing issue for

2399
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:06,884
some time now. This is I don't

2400
01:22:06,884 --> 01:22:10,484
even know what meeting this is,

2401
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:16,861
Rick, that we've discussed

2402
01:22:16,861 --> 01:22:19,950
There is a story that has been

2403
01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:21,495
mentioned a couple times

2404
01:22:26,337 --> 01:22:29,937
tonight, but I'd like to really

2405
01:22:30,307 --> 01:22:31,475
nature of it just over a week

2406
01:22:31,475 --> 01:22:32,543
ago, a traffic stop was

2407
01:22:32,543 --> 01:22:33,844
initiated, stopping all traffic

2408
01:22:33,844 --> 01:22:37,444
on. I-94 where woman and her

2409
01:22:37,815 --> 01:22:38,415
passenger were held at gunpoint

2410
01:22:38,415 --> 01:22:39,917
by Brookfield Police and

2411
01:22:39,917 --> 01:22:41,819
falsely arrested due to their

2412
01:22:41,819 --> 01:22:42,520
license plate being linked to a

2413
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,520
homicide within the flock data

2414
01:22:45,756 --> 01:22:47,691
base by the Milwaukee Police

2415
01:22:47,691 --> 01:22:48,359
Department.

2416
01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:49,600
The car was investigated and

2417
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:50,729
found have never been involved

2418
01:22:50,729 --> 01:22:52,697
in the homicide. Another with

2419
01:22:52,697 --> 01:22:54,633
the individuals, please drew

2420
01:22:54,633 --> 01:22:55,366
rifles on inside of the car.

2421
01:22:55,366 --> 01:22:57,468
The Milwaukee Police Department

2422
01:22:57,468 --> 01:22:58,103
failed to remove the alert

2423
01:22:58,103 --> 01:22:58,736
within the fox system that

2424
01:22:58,736 --> 01:23:01,973
caused it to be flagged by

2425
01:23:01,973 --> 01:23:04,276
flock cameras winter about and

2426
01:23:04,276 --> 01:23:04,975
drove by.

2427
01:23:04,975 --> 01:23:07,779
Stopped and rifles being drawn

2428
01:23:07,779 --> 01:23:10,748
on innocent people on the

2429
01:23:10,748 --> 01:23:11,448
freeway. The ins, the woman has

2430
01:23:11,448 --> 01:23:12,150
now lost both of her jobs due

2431
01:23:12,150 --> 01:23:15,150
to this incident is currently

2432
01:23:15,786 --> 01:23:17,722
mulling legal action against

2433
01:23:17,722 --> 01:23:18,390
the city of Milwaukee. All this

2434
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:19,900
came about because the

2435
01:23:19,900 --> 01:23:20,492
Milwaukee police and failed to

2436
01:23:20,492 --> 01:23:21,910
remove her vehicle from the

2437
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:23,491
fox database after they

2438
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:26,950
concluded their investigation.

2439
01:23:26,998 --> 01:23:27,665
Between the Milwaukee Police

2440
01:23:27,665 --> 01:23:29,665
Department's general neglect

2441
01:23:29,968 --> 01:23:32,968
and or incompetency to update

2442
01:23:33,872 --> 01:23:34,606
their system or they're

2443
01:23:34,606 --> 01:23:36,775
intentional. Use of it to now.

2444
01:23:36,775 --> 01:23:38,243
We've had another mpd officer

2445
01:23:38,243 --> 01:23:38,944
recently found to have been

2446
01:23:38,944 --> 01:23:40,944
violating the department's

2447
01:23:42,414 --> 01:23:45,484
policy by using it. Just talk

2448
01:23:45,484 --> 01:23:47,520
to people. I mean, like there's

2449
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:47,752
every time we come back here,

2450
01:23:47,752 --> 01:23:48,687
this issue, there's just like

2451
01:23:48,687 --> 01:23:51,870
another officer that's been

2452
01:23:52,580 --> 01:23:54,590
found to be using the power

2453
01:23:54,590 --> 01:23:54,893
and fox system.

2454
01:23:54,893 --> 01:23:56,428
It's clear we cannot trust the

2455
01:23:56,428 --> 01:23:58,563
Milwaukee Police Department to

2456
01:23:58,563 --> 01:24:01,563
follow its own policies on

2457
01:24:02,367 --> 01:24:03,302
flock or to use it correctly,

2458
01:24:03,302 --> 01:24:05,171
quote, unquote, correctly.

2459
01:24:05,171 --> 01:24:05,871
The fact of the matter is

2460
01:24:05,871 --> 01:24:07,206
simply that their access to in

2461
01:24:07,206 --> 01:24:10,242
any degree creates a danger to

2462
01:24:10,242 --> 01:24:12,277
everyone in this community.

2463
01:24:12,277 --> 01:24:14,179
The only sensible solution, any

2464
01:24:14,179 --> 01:24:14,813
rational person would have to

2465
01:24:14,813 --> 01:24:16,749
the numerous stories that

2466
01:24:16,749 --> 01:24:18,617
continue to be released

2467
01:24:18,617 --> 01:24:20,987
regarding the use of flock in

2468
01:24:20,987 --> 01:24:23,880
Milwaukee will be to

2469
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,570
in the city of Milwaukee.

2470
01:24:25,570 --> 01:24:27,930
Enough is enough to call for

2471
01:24:27,930 --> 01:24:28,461
anything less than a total ban

2472
01:24:28,461 --> 01:24:31,797
on apr is would be to knowingly

2473
01:24:31,797 --> 01:24:34,797
in danger. Every single member

2474
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:36,803
of this community.

2475
01:24:36,803 --> 01:24:37,537
Difference between that one

2476
01:24:37,537 --> 01:24:39,572
being alive and being dead

2477
01:24:39,572 --> 01:24:40,473
right now because they had

2478
01:24:40,473 --> 01:24:42,842
rifles pointed right at her

2479
01:24:42,842 --> 01:24:46,145
all because a mistake by the

2480
01:24:46,145 --> 01:24:48,145
Milwaukee Police Department.

2481
01:24:48,615 --> 01:24:51,615
That to me is terrifying.

2482
01:24:55,889 --> 01:24:59,489
I think it's something to be

2483
01:25:07,533 --> 01:25:09,533
Waleed is our.

2484
01:25:21,814 --> 01:25:23,884
And a grad students here in

2485
01:25:23,884 --> 01:25:24,584
Milwaukee. I'm here today to

2486
01:25:24,584 --> 01:25:26,984
express my complete opposition

2487
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:28,788
to the foxes than here in the

2488
01:25:28,788 --> 01:25:29,790
city. Mayor Johnson released a

2489
01:25:29,790 --> 01:25:30,357
statement earlier this week

2490
01:25:30,357 --> 01:25:32,592
regarding the use and

2491
01:25:32,592 --> 01:25:34,461
regulation of flock cameras

2492
01:25:34,461 --> 01:25:35,829
in Milwaukee. But I have to say

2493
01:25:35,829 --> 01:25:36,496
I disagree with the mayor

2494
01:25:36,496 --> 01:25:39,700
because I don't want to see

2495
01:25:39,700 --> 01:25:43,300
regulation. I want to see them

2496
01:25:43,303 --> 01:25:44,471
gone. Flock cameras pose the

2497
01:25:44,471 --> 01:25:45,606
risk to the safety of

2498
01:25:45,606 --> 01:25:47,474
everyday individuals, Foxx term

2499
01:25:47,474 --> 01:25:49,343
at terms and conditions state

2500
01:25:49,343 --> 01:25:49,943
that they possess a, quote,

2501
01:25:49,943 --> 01:25:50,544
perpetual license to use

2502
01:25:50,544 --> 01:25:52,944
customer data to, quote,

2503
01:25:53,447 --> 01:25:53,947
support and improve its

2504
01:25:53,947 --> 01:25:55,616
services.

2505
01:25:55,616 --> 01:25:56,317
Assuming Milwaukee terminates

2506
01:25:56,317 --> 01:25:59,317
its contract with flock today.

2507
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:00,787
The damage has already been

2508
01:26:00,787 --> 01:26:03,123
done. They have a right to all

2509
01:26:03,123 --> 01:26:03,791
the data they have collected up

2510
01:26:03,791 --> 01:26:06,693
until now. We are in damage

2511
01:26:06,693 --> 01:26:08,629
control territory at this

2512
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:09,297
point.

2513
01:26:09,297 --> 01:26:10,300
Furthermore flock does not

2514
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:13,300
explicitly state in their terms

2515
01:26:13,660 --> 01:26:13,934
and conditions that they would

2516
01:26:13,934 --> 01:26:15,836
not sell customer data. We also

2517
01:26:15,836 --> 01:26:16,938
know that flock creates heat

2518
01:26:16,938 --> 01:26:17,604
maps that track an individual's

2519
01:26:17,604 --> 01:26:19,206
movements so flood could be

2520
01:26:19,206 --> 01:26:20,740
selling your data to anybody

2521
01:26:20,740 --> 01:26:23,740
who wants it. The highest

2522
01:26:23,644 --> 01:26:24,411
bidder insurance companies,

2523
01:26:24,411 --> 01:26:25,790
tech companies, maybe foreign

2524
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:28,790
governments. I don't know if

2525
01:26:28,248 --> 01:26:29,500
they're allowed to do that, but

2526
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:32,954
they can to close. I want to

2527
01:26:32,954 --> 01:26:33,654
live in a surveillance state.

2528
01:26:33,654 --> 01:26:34,389
I want to live in a place way

2529
01:26:34,389 --> 01:26:37,989
per it. A private tech security

2530
01:26:38,125 --> 01:26:38,726
firm can access my whereabouts

2531
01:26:38,726 --> 01:26:39,394
whenever they want to to

2532
01:26:39,394 --> 01:26:40,270
terminate the contract with

2533
01:26:40,270 --> 01:26:42,831
flock and any and all mass

2534
01:26:42,831 --> 01:26:44,831
surveillance systems. Thank

2535
01:26:45,899 --> 01:26:47,899
you.

2536
01:26:57,445 --> 01:27:00,445
The next person is Scott.

2537
01:27:04,540 --> 01:27:07,222
I'm not spelling of last name

2538
01:27:07,222 --> 01:27:09,222
Good evening.

2539
01:27:11,192 --> 01:27:14,329
A lot of fun. I've never been

2540
01:27:14,329 --> 01:27:15,597
to a Common Council meeting

2541
01:27:15,597 --> 01:27:17,466
before,

2542
01:27:17,466 --> 01:27:19,534
I've never felt so strongly on

2543
01:27:19,534 --> 01:27:20,503
a subject that I needed to come

2544
01:27:20,503 --> 01:27:21,236
and speak at the Common Council

2545
01:27:21,236 --> 01:27:22,704
meeting. And I think that's why

2546
01:27:22,704 --> 01:27:26,304
you have all these people here

2547
01:27:26,608 --> 01:27:27,242
tonight as well. Where fire and

2548
01:27:27,242 --> 01:27:29,642
police commission fire and

2549
01:27:29,845 --> 01:27:31,814
police commission, whatever,

2550
01:27:31,814 --> 01:27:32,514
whatever you guys, I never felt

2551
01:27:32,514 --> 01:27:33,215
strongly enough to get up here

2552
01:27:33,215 --> 01:27:35,718
on a Thursday night and speak

2553
01:27:35,718 --> 01:27:36,952
to the city of Milwaukee right?

2554
01:27:36,952 --> 01:27:38,853
So I'll just say I'm not going

2555
01:27:38,853 --> 01:27:39,954
to try to take a lot of time,

2556
01:27:39,954 --> 01:27:42,954
but I think Mayor Johnson's

2557
01:27:43,993 --> 01:27:44,627
resolution is a Band-Aid on a

2558
01:27:44,627 --> 01:27:45,326
gushing bullet wound if it

2559
01:27:45,326 --> 01:27:47,963
weren't, you wouldn't have all

2560
01:27:47,963 --> 01:27:49,165
these people here. Like I just

2561
01:27:49,165 --> 01:27:51,165
said.

2562
01:27:52,134 --> 01:27:53,135
And it's only going to get

2563
01:27:53,135 --> 01:27:54,103
worse. Let's be honest, like

2564
01:27:54,103 --> 01:27:56,138
flocks newest thing is drones,

2565
01:27:56,138 --> 01:27:57,730
right? So when you're going

2566
01:27:57,730 --> 01:27:58,400
into a contract with flock in,

2567
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,276
you're buying flock cameras.

2568
01:28:00,276 --> 01:28:00,943
How do we know it's not going

2569
01:28:00,943 --> 01:28:01,611
to go to the next thing.

2570
01:28:01,611 --> 01:28:02,311
It's not going to be drones

2571
01:28:02,311 --> 01:28:05,748
next are going to be following

2572
01:28:05,748 --> 01:28:07,551
us around with drones in our

2573
01:28:07,551 --> 01:28:09,785
cars right? And a lot of people

2574
01:28:09,785 --> 01:28:10,452
spoke about all the ways that

2575
01:28:10,452 --> 01:28:11,154
it's been misuse. The

2576
01:28:11,154 --> 01:28:13,554
Brookfield incident just came

2577
01:28:14,230 --> 01:28:18,223
up. And my question to you is.

2578
01:28:19,620 --> 01:28:21,997
Who pays when a missing new

2579
01:28:21,997 --> 01:28:22,631
all successfully sues the city

2580
01:28:22,631 --> 01:28:25,100
of Milwaukee. Who pays for

2581
01:28:25,100 --> 01:28:25,768
that? The taxpayers pay for

2582
01:28:25,768 --> 01:28:26,436
that. We pay for that with

2583
01:28:26,436 --> 01:28:28,305
somebody cuts down the flock

2584
01:28:28,305 --> 01:28:30,106
camera and then you decide to

2585
01:28:30,106 --> 01:28:30,774
put it back up. Who pays for

2586
01:28:30,774 --> 01:28:33,774
that? The taxpayers pay for

2587
01:28:33,809 --> 01:28:34,678
that. And guess what? It's

2588
01:28:34,678 --> 01:28:35,712
going to bed on Halloween.

2589
01:28:35,712 --> 01:28:37,446
I think there's going to be a

2590
01:28:37,446 --> 01:28:38,181
lot of flock cameras cut down

2591
01:28:38,181 --> 01:28:41,500
on Halloween. So who's going to

2592
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:44,887
pay for those that get put back

2593
01:28:44,887 --> 01:28:46,887
up?

2594
01:28:48,190 --> 01:28:49,326
Mpd mpd doesn't own the data as

2595
01:28:49,326 --> 01:28:49,992
was just

2596
01:28:49,992 --> 01:28:51,228
talked about Sheboygan, new

2597
01:28:51,228 --> 01:28:54,228
this. That's why they canceled

2598
01:28:56,266 --> 01:28:59,266
the contract because it shifts

2599
01:28:59,402 --> 01:29:00,138
the burden of proof from

2600
01:29:00,138 --> 01:29:00,804
innocent until guilty to guilty

2601
01:29:00,804 --> 01:29:03,804
in 2 innocent. Because ai is

2602
01:29:05,977 --> 01:29:08,977
going to start giving out

2603
01:29:09,247 --> 01:29:09,946
automatic tickets. I will leave

2604
01:29:09,946 --> 01:29:12,449
the you guys with this one

2605
01:29:12,449 --> 01:29:14,452
quote, because it hasn't been

2606
01:29:14,452 --> 01:29:15,519
needs to be dropped on yachts.

2607
01:29:15,519 --> 01:29:17,654
Heads Benjamin Franklin said

2608
01:29:17,654 --> 01:29:18,488
those who give up essential

2609
01:29:18,488 --> 01:29:21,488
liberty for a little temporary

2610
01:29:22,559 --> 01:29:23,560
safety deserve neither liberty

2611
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,864
nor safety. So I will pose the

2612
01:29:26,864 --> 01:29:29,864
question to you guys tonight.

2613
01:29:30,330 --> 01:29:32,433
What do you deserve?

2614
01:29:39,644 --> 01:29:41,144
Is there anyone else here in

2615
01:29:41,144 --> 01:29:44,447
person who would like to speak

2616
01:29:44,447 --> 01:29:47,447
of public comment? Please come

2617
01:29:47,518 --> 01:29:49,518
up.

2618
01:30:01,633 --> 01:30:04,633
And because I thought we

2619
01:30:06,672 --> 01:30:09,707
knows if you still would like

2620
01:30:09,707 --> 01:30:11,909
My name is Candice Alley and

2621
01:30:11,909 --> 01:30:13,177
I live in the 14th Aldermanic

2622
01:30:13,177 --> 01:30:16,177
District. I have raised my

2623
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:16,982
children and my grandchildren

2624
01:30:16,982 --> 01:30:19,684
are now being raised in this

2625
01:30:19,684 --> 01:30:21,552
city and on a personal level, I

2626
01:30:21,552 --> 01:30:22,254
do not want to live in a

2627
01:30:22,254 --> 01:30:22,955
surveillance state. I'm here,

2628
01:30:22,955 --> 01:30:26,225
however, to speak on behalf of

2629
01:30:26,225 --> 01:30:26,892
the League of Women, Voters of

2630
01:30:26,892 --> 01:30:29,892
Milwaukee County. And if you

2631
01:30:32,630 --> 01:30:32,830
most of the work I do with the

2632
01:30:32,830 --> 01:30:33,531
league is is put and the right

2633
01:30:33,531 --> 01:30:35,100
to vote, you know, making sure

2634
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:37,236
that everybody has the right to

2635
01:30:37,236 --> 01:30:39,104
vote, that it's a protected

2636
01:30:39,104 --> 01:30:40,906
right. And it's because we

2637
01:30:40,906 --> 01:30:41,940
believe in and have for 100

2638
01:30:41,940 --> 01:30:42,641
years. Men out there defending

2639
01:30:42,641 --> 01:30:45,544
democracy. We know that voting

2640
01:30:45,544 --> 01:30:48,248
is a key part of democracy.

2641
01:30:48,248 --> 01:30:51,490
But also the rights that we

2642
01:30:51,490 --> 01:30:52,251
have as people who live in a

2643
01:30:52,251 --> 01:30:54,786
community, the right not to

2644
01:30:54,786 --> 01:30:57,589
have. We've opposed the facial

2645
01:30:57,589 --> 01:30:59,491
recognition technology. And

2646
01:30:59,491 --> 01:31:00,326
we're here today to oppose this

2647
01:31:00,326 --> 01:31:02,726
technology. We want the

2648
01:31:03,629 --> 01:31:04,430
contract to be stopped and we

2649
01:31:04,430 --> 01:31:05,497
don't want flock cameras.

2650
01:31:05,497 --> 01:31:08,234
And that's that is really part

2651
01:31:08,234 --> 01:31:11,234
of our fundamental belief that

2652
01:31:12,238 --> 01:31:13,839
it goes against our rights in a

2653
01:31:13,839 --> 01:31:14,541
Democratic society. And, you

2654
01:31:14,541 --> 01:31:18,141
know, as these things come in,

2655
01:31:18,178 --> 01:31:18,911
they MAY they MAY not seem so

2656
01:31:18,911 --> 01:31:20,446
dangerous. Although I bet you a

2657
01:31:20,446 --> 01:31:24,460
lot of people could have said

2658
01:31:26,519 --> 01:31:27,252
that they were and did say.

2659
01:31:27,252 --> 01:31:27,953
But now we've seen the

2660
01:31:27,953 --> 01:31:30,353
tremendous abuse and everybody

2661
01:31:31,123 --> 01:31:32,358
is so careful in our community

2662
01:31:32,358 --> 01:31:33,493
and fearful in our city.

2663
01:31:33,493 --> 01:31:34,127
And we believe as as we go in

2664
01:31:34,127 --> 01:31:37,630
and voters that we have an

2665
01:31:37,630 --> 01:31:38,730
obligation to come here and

2666
01:31:38,730 --> 01:31:42,134
speak out and urge you to stop

2667
01:31:42,134 --> 01:31:45,134
this contract and stop this

2668
01:31:45,438 --> 01:31:47,838
technology. So thank you.

2669
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:08,228
Hello. I love all a very I'm in

2670
01:32:08,228 --> 01:32:13,280
the 3rd and I just want to put

2671
01:32:14,567 --> 01:32:18,167
in to a comment that high

2672
01:32:22,542 --> 01:32:24,942
Additional thought since I

2673
01:32:28,215 --> 01:32:30,651
a summer. Nice to meet you

2674
01:32:30,651 --> 01:32:32,686
guys. I live over there I.

2675
01:32:32,686 --> 01:32:33,787
Calling these things license

2676
01:32:33,787 --> 01:32:35,389
plate readers are like calling

2677
01:32:35,389 --> 01:32:36,230
my civic a space heater like,

2678
01:32:36,230 --> 01:32:36,623
yes, they rely someplace.

2679
01:32:36,623 --> 01:32:39,492
That's not what they do,

2680
01:32:39,492 --> 01:32:40,493
though. We're on the same page

2681
01:32:40,493 --> 01:32:42,493
there.

2682
01:32:45,699 --> 01:32:48,535
The mayor and the head of npd.

2683
01:32:48,535 --> 01:32:50,303
Is proposing.

2684
01:32:50,303 --> 01:32:51,571
Halfway solution. Where were

2685
01:32:51,571 --> 01:32:52,273
you guys can audit what they're

2686
01:32:52,273 --> 01:32:54,308
doing and they can only use it

2687
01:32:54,308 --> 01:32:56,708
for high-level crimes or

2688
01:32:58,945 --> 01:33:01,345
whatever. I'm not interested

2689
01:33:01,916 --> 01:33:02,483
in a halfway solution between

2690
01:33:02,483 --> 01:33:03,820
like an authoritarian

2691
01:33:03,820 --> 01:33:03,751
dictatorship and a free

2692
01:33:03,751 --> 01:33:06,751
country, right like we need

2693
01:33:07,210 --> 01:33:10,210
to. There is no halfway

2694
01:33:12,593 --> 01:33:13,561
position here.

2695
01:33:13,561 --> 01:33:16,864
I think that's I think that's

2696
01:33:16,864 --> 01:33:18,800
mainly my issue here. I don't

2697
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:19,634
want.

2698
01:33:19,634 --> 01:33:22,803
Any steps to like limit the way

2699
01:33:22,803 --> 01:33:23,438
we're using. This is like, oh,

2700
01:33:23,438 --> 01:33:26,438
like let's have a limited

2701
01:33:29,444 --> 01:33:32,444
amount of fascism. Like what

2702
01:33:35,149 --> 01:33:38,530
Do we have anyone else in

2703
01:33:38,530 --> 01:33:41,653
person who would like to speak?

2704
01:33:47,127 --> 01:33:48,362
A timely ovarian toes and I am

2705
01:33:48,362 --> 01:33:50,297
an out-of-state student.

2706
01:33:50,297 --> 01:33:51,432
The student going to school

2707
01:33:51,432 --> 01:33:52,660
here in Milwaukee and my city

2708
01:33:52,660 --> 01:33:54,101
of Wichita, Kansas is not

2709
01:33:54,101 --> 01:33:57,720
giving me the option to speak

2710
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:58,720
to people about this and oppose

2711
01:33:58,720 --> 01:33:58,973
this. The owner of Flock

2712
01:33:58,973 --> 01:33:59,541
considers me a terrorist

2713
01:33:59,541 --> 01:34:01,610
because I oppose being

2714
01:34:01,610 --> 01:34:02,243
surveilled in my own safety in

2715
01:34:02,243 --> 01:34:04,279
my own home country. I was

2716
01:34:04,279 --> 01:34:05,246
taught this was never going to

2717
01:34:05,246 --> 01:34:07,148
be a problem. And now it is.

2718
01:34:07,148 --> 01:34:09,684
And I thank you for listening

2719
01:34:09,684 --> 01:34:10,452
to I thank you for your time.

2720
01:34:10,452 --> 01:34:13,452
Completely. Ban flock ban, all

2721
01:34:14,456 --> 01:34:15,524
license plate readers ban all

2722
01:34:15,524 --> 01:34:17,459
gunshot detectors. Ai does not

2723
01:34:17,459 --> 01:34:18,460
have years. Ai does not have

2724
01:34:18,460 --> 01:34:20,730
discernment. Ai does not have a

2725
01:34:20,730 --> 01:34:21,363
motion's. It cannot tell

2726
01:34:21,363 --> 01:34:23,398
whether or not humans and

2727
01:34:23,398 --> 01:34:24,320
tension is actually going to

2728
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:25,400
harm anyone. A human can.

2729
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,470
And even the humans who are

2730
01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:30,470
supposed to be controlling this

2731
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:32,740
have proven they are not

2732
01:34:32,740 --> 01:34:34,474
capable of protecting us.

2733
01:34:34,577 --> 01:34:35,243
Van came as Bran van, a license

2734
01:34:35,243 --> 01:34:35,912
plate readers and get rid of

2735
01:34:35,912 --> 01:34:36,546
all of this ai surveillance.

2736
01:34:36,546 --> 01:34:39,114
We are not a surveillance

2737
01:34:39,114 --> 01:34:42,714
state. We are a free country.

2738
01:34:50,926 --> 01:34:53,926
Bridgett. We have anyone online

2739
01:34:54,230 --> 01:34:55,832
for public comment. Yes, Julie

2740
01:34:55,832 --> 01:34:57,832
9 director.

2741
01:35:01,636 --> 01:35:03,473
Welcome back to sir. Just one

2742
01:35:03,473 --> 01:35:04,207
moment. Yes, Julie.

2743
01:35:04,207 --> 01:35:07,207
Thanks. Thing spreads and good

2744
01:35:07,376 --> 01:35:08,144
evening. Neighbors

2745
01:35:08,144 --> 01:35:09,912
commissioners, directors.

2746
01:35:09,912 --> 01:35:10,613
The Milwaukee Fire and Police

2747
01:35:10,613 --> 01:35:13,613
Commission page on the city's

2748
01:35:14,851 --> 01:35:17,820
website has a huge headline.

2749
01:35:17,820 --> 01:35:19,820
The Oversight Accountability

2750
01:35:21,224 --> 01:35:22,326
Community Trust followed by.

2751
01:35:22,326 --> 01:35:23,493
We value your feedback.

2752
01:35:23,493 --> 01:35:25,493
Something you're constantly

2753
01:35:28,532 --> 01:35:31,635
alluding to try and get rid

2754
01:35:31,635 --> 01:35:32,269
statement reflecting these

2755
01:35:32,269 --> 01:35:34,538
intentions as well as days

2756
01:35:34,538 --> 01:35:35,171
counting the constitutional

2757
01:35:35,171 --> 01:35:37,974
rights of all people. The

2758
01:35:37,974 --> 01:35:39,776
website talks a good game.

2759
01:35:39,776 --> 01:35:42,176
It's. Despite Jay Pierce, 6

2760
01:35:43,790 --> 01:35:45,479
flowery tribute. Consider this.

2761
01:35:45,581 --> 01:35:47,581
Oversight under this

2762
01:35:49,886 --> 01:35:52,286
commission's watch. The chief

2763
01:35:54,857 --> 01:35:55,291
of police made the unfathomable

2764
01:35:55,291 --> 01:35:57,291
training with

2765
01:35:59,462 --> 01:36:00,630
the racist genocidal apartheid

2766
01:36:00,630 --> 01:36:01,631
Zionist regime that is

2767
01:36:01,631 --> 01:36:03,631
currently occupying Palestine.

2768
01:36:04,301 --> 01:36:05,100
How can this commission

2769
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:06,970
possibly endorse that? And if

2770
01:36:06,970 --> 01:36:08,972
you don't, what have you put in

2771
01:36:08,972 --> 01:36:12,276
place to ensure that such a

2772
01:36:12,276 --> 01:36:14,676
heinous thing never happens

2773
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:15,946
again.

2774
01:36:15,946 --> 01:36:17,946
Accountability.

2775
01:36:18,650 --> 01:36:20,284
The community has been pleading

2776
01:36:20,284 --> 01:36:22,186
for this commission to hold the

2777
01:36:22,186 --> 01:36:23,887
chief accountable for that

2778
01:36:23,887 --> 01:36:26,887
training. What did he learn

2779
01:36:33,832 --> 01:36:34,698
there? What did you bring back

2780
01:36:34,698 --> 01:36:36,167
How can a community trust the

2781
01:36:36,167 --> 01:36:39,102
police chief of police Force

2782
01:36:39,102 --> 01:36:41,502
and Oversight Commission that

2783
01:36:42,407 --> 01:36:45,407
is okay with such horrendous

2784
01:36:45,476 --> 01:36:47,476
action.

2785
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,280
Writes, safeguarding the rights

2786
01:36:52,484 --> 01:36:54,586
of all people. The Chiefs

2787
01:36:54,586 --> 01:36:57,586
explicitly in 2025 a year when

2788
01:36:58,156 --> 01:36:58,857
ignorance is no longer an

2789
01:36:58,857 --> 01:37:02,457
excuse he chose to train with

2790
01:37:03,995 --> 01:37:04,929
the genocidal entity recognized

2791
01:37:04,929 --> 01:37:05,631
by the multitude international

2792
01:37:05,631 --> 01:37:07,666
organizations that I've listed

2793
01:37:07,666 --> 01:37:09,000
off at multiple previous

2794
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,000
meetings. He chose to train

2795
01:37:12,300 --> 01:37:13,906
with the regime that is

2796
01:37:13,906 --> 01:37:15,906
internationally condemned.

2797
01:37:17,175 --> 01:37:18,176
As a notorious violator of

2798
01:37:18,176 --> 01:37:20,176
human rights.

2799
01:37:21,279 --> 01:37:22,247
Your Web page says that you

2800
01:37:22,247 --> 01:37:24,647
value community feedback and

2801
01:37:25,351 --> 01:37:27,119
yet you remain complicit with

2802
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:30,119
the chief in this repeatedly

2803
01:37:30,956 --> 01:37:33,956
refusing to address this or

2804
01:37:34,359 --> 01:37:34,894
to have genuine discourse

2805
01:37:34,894 --> 01:37:35,461
about it. Oversight,

2806
01:37:35,461 --> 01:37:37,363
accountability, trust

2807
01:37:37,363 --> 01:37:38,163
safeguarding rights. You set

2808
01:37:38,163 --> 01:37:40,563
their month after month.

2809
01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:41,734
In front of a community

2810
01:37:41,734 --> 01:37:44,734
pleading endlessly. For you to

2811
01:37:45,971 --> 01:37:47,106
uphold all of these things.

2812
01:37:47,106 --> 01:37:49,176
Please stop ignoring our

2813
01:37:49,176 --> 01:37:50,777
concerns. Answer our questions

2814
01:37:50,777 --> 01:37:53,177
regarding the Chiefs training.

2815
01:37:54,380 --> 01:37:56,315
Do everything in your power to

2816
01:37:56,315 --> 01:37:56,982
stop the growth of

2817
01:37:56,982 --> 01:37:58,117
this. Indeed. Dystopian

2818
01:37:58,117 --> 01:38:00,517
surveillance state and do

2819
01:38:02,221 --> 01:38:03,255
everything in your power to

2820
01:38:03,255 --> 01:38:03,924
actually safeguard this

2821
01:38:03,924 --> 01:38:06,924
community and our human The

2822
01:38:07,259 --> 01:38:08,127
mayor and mpd can pretend all

2823
01:38:08,127 --> 01:38:09,663
they want that any suppose it

2824
01:38:09,663 --> 01:38:11,898
safeguards on this locker or

2825
01:38:11,898 --> 01:38:13,933
other cameras would ever work?

2826
01:38:13,933 --> 01:38:16,933
The community does not want

2827
01:38:17,237 --> 01:38:19,637
a surveillance state period.

2828
01:38:19,973 --> 01:38:20,640
And it's only this commission

2829
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,176
would be as concerned about

2830
01:38:23,176 --> 01:38:26,176
the concerns we've all been

2831
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,950
bringing up as you are about

2832
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:30,517
clutching your pearls

2833
01:38:30,517 --> 01:38:33,860
and uplifting the racist white

2834
01:38:33,860 --> 01:38:35,860
supremacist tenants like

2835
01:38:35,822 --> 01:38:38,222
Robert's rules and order.

2836
01:38:38,658 --> 01:38:41,658
And proper language and fear

2837
01:38:44,632 --> 01:38:45,565
of open conflict right to come

2838
01:38:45,565 --> 01:38:47,234
connected free Palestine, Free

2839
01:38:47,234 --> 01:38:49,634
Milwaukee, from road policing

2840
01:38:49,903 --> 01:38:50,605
from genocide. Supporters from

2841
01:38:50,605 --> 01:38:53,500
surveillance cameras from all

2842
01:38:53,607 --> 01:38:56,607
of these horrors. Thank you.

2843
01:39:01,815 --> 01:39:05,415
I think we had and individual

2844
01:39:09,220 --> 01:39:12,622
back here in person who wanted

2845
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:16,560
Hello. My name is Charles

2846
01:39:17,498 --> 01:39:19,199
Redcliffe. I live in the 3rd

2847
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:20,767
police district. And I came

2848
01:39:20,767 --> 01:39:23,671
here to basically say how

2849
01:39:23,671 --> 01:39:24,338
disgusted I am with the flock

2850
01:39:24,338 --> 01:39:27,241
cameras and the response to

2851
01:39:27,241 --> 01:39:27,942
the public opposition of the

2852
01:39:27,942 --> 01:39:30,845
flock cameras by the the mayor

2853
01:39:30,845 --> 01:39:32,113
and the fire and police

2854
01:39:32,113 --> 01:39:34,113
commission.

2855
01:39:37,786 --> 01:39:38,886
For one. I want to go back to

2856
01:39:38,886 --> 01:39:41,757
camera. A license plate reader

2857
01:39:41,757 --> 01:39:42,423
has being like a Honda Civic,

2858
01:39:42,423 --> 01:39:45,360
that kind of space because I

2859
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:46,160
live right by Washington Park

2860
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,160
over there.

2861
01:39:48,162 --> 01:39:49,464
And I notice that the entire

2862
01:39:49,464 --> 01:39:50,640
park is covered by flock

2863
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,464
cameras. You can't walk

2864
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:53,368
anywhere in the park without

2865
01:39:53,368 --> 01:39:55,368
being seen

2866
01:39:56,537 --> 01:40:00,750
it's not an area where there

2867
01:40:00,750 --> 01:40:00,709
is.

2868
01:40:00,709 --> 01:40:03,450
And over the abundance of

2869
01:40:03,450 --> 01:40:04,110
vehicles out of parking lots

2870
01:40:04,110 --> 01:40:04,646
that remain freeway. It's a

2871
01:40:04,646 --> 01:40:07,782
park apart. The head of no

2872
01:40:07,782 --> 01:40:09,782
Kings protest recently

2873
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:12,554
actually.

2874
01:40:12,554 --> 01:40:15,324
Uwm is covered and flock

2875
01:40:15,324 --> 01:40:17,292
cameras, a place students are

2876
01:40:17,292 --> 01:40:20,596
known to protest and have a

2877
01:40:20,596 --> 01:40:21,498
their opposition to things,

2878
01:40:21,498 --> 01:40:23,498
whatever. But I.

2879
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:25,000
I would like to question why

2880
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:25,668
the specific places are being

2881
01:40:25,668 --> 01:40:29,268
chosen. And I would like to

2882
01:40:29,906 --> 01:40:30,806
invite other people to question

2883
01:40:30,806 --> 01:40:31,508
that as well because these are

2884
01:40:31,508 --> 01:40:33,275
really license plate readers.

2885
01:40:33,275 --> 01:40:36,875
That's just kind of a fancy

2886
01:40:39,649 --> 01:40:43,849
name for him. And I'm not here

2887
01:40:48,525 --> 01:40:49,225
I do. Want to make sure we

2888
01:40:49,225 --> 01:40:52,225
haven't missed anyone else in

2889
01:40:57,634 --> 01:41:01,234
person. Before we go back to

2890
01:41:02,606 --> 01:41:05,606
Well, it's interesting be on

2891
01:41:05,775 --> 01:41:07,775
the side of.

2892
01:41:09,979 --> 01:41:10,747
Thanks to the community.

2893
01:41:10,747 --> 01:41:11,514
We all realize it's kind of

2894
01:41:11,514 --> 01:41:13,117
like political theater because

2895
01:41:13,117 --> 01:41:16,717
the ftc doesn't have any actual

2896
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:18,989
oversight control because of

2897
01:41:18,989 --> 01:41:21,389
at 12, maybe legislation can

2898
01:41:22,292 --> 01:41:24,692
change with new Administration

2899
01:41:25,162 --> 01:41:28,231
in that knowing that I like

2900
01:41:28,231 --> 01:41:31,831
to second the fact that how

2901
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:33,637
can we trust the Milwaukee

2902
01:41:33,637 --> 01:41:34,271
Police Department? When the

2903
01:41:34,271 --> 01:41:37,207
leader who now their chief

2904
01:41:37,207 --> 01:41:40,207
trained in a genocidal state.

2905
01:41:42,246 --> 01:41:44,748
Of Israel or how occupied

2906
01:41:44,748 --> 01:41:45,583
Palestine.

2907
01:41:45,583 --> 01:41:47,218
That's one that you guys didn't

2908
01:41:47,218 --> 01:41:48,352
know about it or something.

2909
01:41:48,352 --> 01:41:50,688
Right. And then 5 month there

2910
01:41:50,688 --> 01:41:54,288
was a 5 years of using effort.

2911
01:41:56,126 --> 01:41:59,126
He that's another thing that.

2912
01:42:00,531 --> 01:42:01,650
Obviously nobody wanted.

2913
01:42:01,650 --> 01:42:01,700
And they did without

2914
01:42:01,700 --> 01:42:04,100
without an actual license.

2915
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,402
The reason like Netflix

2916
01:42:08,706 --> 01:42:10,541
password in their words.

2917
01:42:10,541 --> 01:42:12,541
Trust issue.

2918
01:42:13,512 --> 01:42:14,145
Calling on the resignation of

2919
01:42:14,145 --> 01:42:14,812
the police chief. And I'm

2920
01:42:14,812 --> 01:42:18,412
calling on the mayor to do

2921
01:42:20,218 --> 01:42:20,851
something about it. Instead of.

2922
01:42:20,851 --> 01:42:23,251
Allowing that distrust to

2923
01:42:23,787 --> 01:42:26,787
continue to faster in the

2924
01:42:26,957 --> 01:42:28,957
community.

2925
01:42:39,738 --> 01:42:41,738
Yes.

2926
01:42:50,116 --> 01:42:51,716
Earlier someone else brought up

2927
01:42:51,716 --> 01:42:53,716
a 94.

2928
01:42:54,519 --> 01:42:55,220
And we have big brother right

2929
01:42:55,220 --> 01:42:57,757
now. I do. If you read 1984 in

2930
01:42:57,757 --> 01:43:01,590
high school, I'm sure most of

2931
01:43:01,590 --> 01:43:02,828
you did. But flock, these other

2932
01:43:02,828 --> 01:43:03,862
systems.

2933
01:43:03,862 --> 01:43:04,830
Ai surveillance, mass

2934
01:43:04,830 --> 01:43:05,463
surveillance, facial

2935
01:43:05,463 --> 01:43:06,832
recognition license plate

2936
01:43:06,832 --> 01:43:07,899
readers and all the other

2937
01:43:07,899 --> 01:43:08,601
function they have. This is big

2938
01:43:08,601 --> 01:43:09,334
Brother. We have it right now.

2939
01:43:09,334 --> 01:43:12,934
I don't know what your takeaway

2940
01:43:13,673 --> 01:43:15,741
was when you read that book.

2941
01:43:15,741 --> 01:43:16,742
If it was well, gosh, if only

2942
01:43:16,742 --> 01:43:18,411
the supervisors had been

2943
01:43:18,411 --> 01:43:19,144
running big brother, it would

2944
01:43:19,144 --> 01:43:20,580
in fact mean if we had one more

2945
01:43:20,580 --> 01:43:21,279
guardrail, big brother would

2946
01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:24,350
have been just fine. Many big

2947
01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:26,486
brother wasn't the problem.

2948
01:43:26,486 --> 01:43:27,820
It is just a few bad apples.

2949
01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:28,488
I'm here to tell you if that

2950
01:43:28,488 --> 01:43:30,457
was your lesson, you did not

2951
01:43:30,457 --> 01:43:33,250
understand the book. You did

2952
01:43:33,250 --> 01:43:33,694
not understand George Orwell,

2953
01:43:33,694 --> 01:43:36,429
who had many faults, but his

2954
01:43:36,429 --> 01:43:37,130
understanding of fascism was

2955
01:43:37,130 --> 01:43:39,932
not one of his fault. And Big

2956
01:43:39,932 --> 01:43:40,600
Brother, which is what I'm

2957
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:41,835
gonna call this surveillance

2958
01:43:41,835 --> 01:43:45,138
state that we currently have in

2959
01:43:45,138 --> 01:43:47,538
America right now. It's

2960
01:43:47,941 --> 01:43:48,908
fascism.

2961
01:43:48,908 --> 01:43:50,610
As many other people have said,

2962
01:43:50,610 --> 01:43:53,947
do not want to live in a

2963
01:43:53,947 --> 01:43:54,580
fascist state. Please return

2964
01:43:54,580 --> 01:43:55,482
our freedom and get rid of

2965
01:43:55,482 --> 01:43:56,830
flock, get rid of all these

2966
01:43:56,830 --> 01:43:58,830
other mass surveillance

2967
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,520
systems. Get rid of Big

2968
01:44:02,222 --> 01:44:04,222
Brother. Thank you.

2969
01:44:10,196 --> 01:44:13,196
Frigid anyone else online for

2970
01:44:16,970 --> 01:44:18,970
public comment.

2971
01:44:20,410 --> 01:44:22,410
Okay.

2972
01:44:30,351 --> 01:44:31,180
Many, many, many times

2973
01:44:31,180 --> 01:44:33,922
the reason I don't to police

2974
01:44:33,922 --> 01:44:36,290
because because I actually live

2975
01:44:36,290 --> 01:44:38,690
in Menominee Falls. But

2976
01:44:39,561 --> 01:44:43,161
yeah, there is a trust issue

2977
01:44:43,330 --> 01:44:46,930
so for the last 7 months, I've

2978
01:44:48,702 --> 01:44:51,102
open records request forward

2979
01:44:53,106 --> 01:44:55,506
Norman's. Trip to Israel.

2980
01:44:56,410 --> 01:44:57,450
How about 2 months ago?

2981
01:44:57,450 --> 01:44:57,812
They said that there are a

2982
01:44:57,812 --> 01:45:00,812
few days more in actually

2983
01:45:01,182 --> 01:45:03,582
getting those open records

2984
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:06,754
requests. You know, so years,

2985
01:45:06,754 --> 01:45:09,657
I MAY have to start pursuing

2986
01:45:09,657 --> 01:45:12,657
legal means to obtain those

2987
01:45:12,727 --> 01:45:14,727
records.

2988
01:45:21,437 --> 01:45:24,739
I travel in and out of

2989
01:45:24,739 --> 01:45:26,541
Milwaukee. You know, 5, 6,

2990
01:45:26,541 --> 01:45:28,510
times a day.

2991
01:45:28,510 --> 01:45:31,510
To know tracked every place

2992
01:45:31,780 --> 01:45:35,380
that I go is really disturbing.

2993
01:45:38,319 --> 01:45:39,787
It's a violation. My 4th man

2994
01:45:39,787 --> 01:45:43,920
right? I want you to stop.

2995
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:43,424
Now. I know I'm the nominee

2996
01:45:43,424 --> 01:45:45,424
falls.

2997
01:45:46,295 --> 01:45:49,598
We still have to head up that

2998
01:45:49,598 --> 01:45:52,598
challenge of getting rid of

2999
01:45:52,768 --> 01:45:55,168
flock there as well.

3000
01:46:14,825 --> 01:46:15,525
Okay. It appears that we're

3001
01:46:15,525 --> 01:46:16,159
done with the public comment.

3002
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:16,827
Thanks, everybody. Yes, we

3003
01:46:16,827 --> 01:46:19,728
could. I'm not sure how many

3004
01:46:19,728 --> 01:46:20,796
people want to stay for the

3005
01:46:20,796 --> 01:46:23,196
balance of the meeting.

3006
01:46:24,533 --> 01:46:27,838
If you're going to stay great,

3007
01:46:27,838 --> 01:46:30,838
like to leave and opportunity.

3008
01:46:38,849 --> 01:46:43,490
To leave. Before we get back to

3009
01:46:47,592 --> 01:46:49,592
something on

3010
01:47:55,159 --> 01:47:59,359
yeah, it took me a while just

3011
01:48:05,871 --> 01:48:06,839
enough director. Please proceed

3012
01:48:06,839 --> 01:48:08,941
with the agenda right?

3013
01:48:08,941 --> 01:48:09,975
Do not read the items on the

3014
01:48:09,975 --> 01:48:11,643
consent agenda after I do.

3015
01:48:11,643 --> 01:48:12,277
So any commissioner MAY remove

3016
01:48:12,277 --> 01:48:14,713
any of these items to the

3017
01:48:14,713 --> 01:48:16,248
regular agenda for discussion

3018
01:48:16,248 --> 01:48:18,648
or appropriate action items,

3019
01:48:19,219 --> 01:48:22,819
not remove MAY be adopted by

3020
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:23,889
general consent without debate

3021
01:48:23,889 --> 01:48:25,889
item 2 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 6, 6,

3022
01:48:27,793 --> 01:48:30,793
resolution relating to the JULY

3023
01:48:30,796 --> 01:48:31,830
16th 2026. Meeting minutes item

3024
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:33,830
3 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 6, 7,

3025
01:48:34,299 --> 01:48:35,340
resolution relating to the

3026
01:48:35,340 --> 01:48:36,340
appointments to the you free to

3027
01:48:36,340 --> 01:48:39,340
print his position within the

3028
01:48:39,339 --> 01:48:41,339
Milwaukee Fire Department.

3029
01:48:43,108 --> 01:48:44,744
2 appointments.

3030
01:48:44,744 --> 01:48:45,444
Item 4 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 6,

3031
01:48:45,444 --> 01:48:46,111
8 resolution relating to the

3032
01:48:46,111 --> 01:48:46,778
appointments of the crime in

3033
01:48:46,778 --> 01:48:49,778
with one position within the

3034
01:48:52,252 --> 01:48:54,870
Milwaukee Police Department.

3035
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:55,321
3 appointments item 5 pc, 2, 1,

3036
01:48:55,321 --> 01:48:55,989
2, 6, 6, 9, resolution relating

3037
01:48:55,989 --> 01:48:57,924
to the building maintenance

3038
01:48:57,924 --> 01:49:00,324
technician eligible list for

3039
01:49:01,761 --> 01:49:03,696
the Milwaukee Police Department

3040
01:49:03,696 --> 01:49:05,265
item 6 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 0,

3041
01:49:05,265 --> 01:49:07,665
resolution relating to the

3042
01:49:08,334 --> 01:49:10,734
crime scene supervisor eligible

3043
01:49:10,971 --> 01:49:12,772
list for the Milwaukee Police

3044
01:49:12,772 --> 01:49:13,506
Department item 7 pc, 2, 1, 2,

3045
01:49:13,506 --> 01:49:15,506
6, 7, 1, resolution relating to

3046
01:49:15,509 --> 01:49:18,509
the hr supervisor eligible list

3047
01:49:18,745 --> 01:49:20,549
for the Milwaukee Police

3048
01:49:20,549 --> 01:49:21,348
Department item 8 pc, 2, 1, 2,

3049
01:49:21,348 --> 01:49:23,348
6, 7, 2, resolution relating to

3050
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:24,684
the hvac maintenance technician

3051
01:49:24,684 --> 01:49:27,840
3 eligible list for the

3052
01:49:28,923 --> 01:49:31,323
Milwaukee Police Department and

3053
01:49:31,791 --> 01:49:32,726
item 9 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 3,

3054
01:49:32,726 --> 01:49:33,560
resolution relating to it.

3055
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:34,261
Project coordinator eligible

3056
01:49:34,261 --> 01:49:37,261
list for the Milwaukee Police

3057
01:49:37,330 --> 01:49:39,730
Department. This concludes the

3058
01:49:39,934 --> 01:49:41,934
consent agenda.

3059
01:49:42,836 --> 01:49:45,836
Would any commissioner like to

3060
01:49:46,873 --> 01:49:47,508
remove any of these items from

3061
01:49:47,508 --> 01:49:48,843
the consent agenda to the

3062
01:49:48,843 --> 01:49:49,910
regular agenda. If there are no

3063
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:51,946
objections, the items on the

3064
01:49:51,946 --> 01:49:54,946
consent agenda will be adapted

3065
01:49:55,216 --> 01:49:56,350
by general consent. Are there

3066
01:49:56,350 --> 01:49:58,350
any objections?

3067
01:49:58,353 --> 01:49:59,190
Gehring, no objections. These

3068
01:49:59,190 --> 01:50:01,419
items are adapted. Director,

3069
01:50:04,392 --> 01:50:06,560
please proceed with the agenda.

3070
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,329
Under new business, which is

3071
01:50:08,329 --> 01:50:10,329
item 10 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 5,

3072
01:50:10,364 --> 01:50:11,399
communication from the

3073
01:50:11,399 --> 01:50:12,266
Milwaukee Police Department

3074
01:50:12,266 --> 01:50:14,235
relating to recent changes to

3075
01:50:14,235 --> 01:50:15,270
mpd standard operating

3076
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:16,403
procedures and standard

3077
01:50:16,403 --> 01:50:18,403
operating instructions. There

3078
01:50:21,476 --> 01:50:23,478
are 8 policy changes before us

3079
01:50:23,478 --> 01:50:26,248
for this meeting. So Peas, 0,

3080
01:50:26,248 --> 01:50:28,648
4, 0, limited duty status for

3081
01:50:29,500 --> 01:50:31,500
10 financial crime. Complaints

3082
01:50:32,388 --> 01:50:34,589
for 55 critical incident Review

3083
01:50:34,589 --> 01:50:35,223
board. 4.90, marriage.

3084
01:50:35,223 --> 01:50:37,223
Merit Award program. 6.80,

3085
01:50:39,261 --> 01:50:39,961
computer equipment,

3086
01:50:39,961 --> 01:50:41,961
applications and systems 6.85

3087
01:50:42,264 --> 01:50:44,664
Social networking sites and

3088
01:50:45,233 --> 01:50:46,269
department images and then

3089
01:50:46,269 --> 01:50:48,269
standard operating instructions

3090
01:50:48,571 --> 01:50:49,272
for school resource School

3091
01:50:49,272 --> 01:50:49,871
resources, officer program and

3092
01:50:49,871 --> 01:50:51,871
then standard operating

3093
01:50:52,807 --> 01:50:55,207
instruction for sexual assault

3094
01:50:56,245 --> 01:50:58,245
investigations.

3095
01:50:58,581 --> 01:51:00,348
At first, I want to thank our

3096
01:51:00,348 --> 01:51:02,348
executive director for

3097
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,920
preparing a memo for the filed

3098
01:51:08,391 --> 01:51:09,826
of identifies the the changes

3099
01:51:09,826 --> 01:51:12,826
that I do still extensively

3100
01:51:13,129 --> 01:51:16,129
from Lieutenant Colonel Ski of

3101
01:51:18,701 --> 01:51:22,300
where credit is due. Is there

3102
01:51:22,300 --> 01:51:24,907
anyone from the department to

3103
01:51:24,907 --> 01:51:26,907
address changes?

3104
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:29,509
Yeah, good evening. MADAM

3105
01:51:35,751 --> 01:51:38,120
Chair, assistant chief of

3106
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:38,788
director says we have 6

3107
01:51:38,788 --> 01:51:40,123
standard operating procedure

3108
01:51:40,123 --> 01:51:43,723
changes as well as 2 changes to

3109
01:51:43,993 --> 01:51:44,594
stand operating instruction.

3110
01:51:44,594 --> 01:51:47,931
I will just go over the

3111
01:51:47,931 --> 01:51:49,310
highlights for each of these

3112
01:51:49,310 --> 01:51:51,935
changes. With respect to s o p

3113
01:51:51,935 --> 01:51:53,836
40 limited duty status. We took

3114
01:51:53,836 --> 01:51:54,470
out to work locations. The

3115
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:56,870
first being the technical

3116
01:51:57,740 --> 01:51:59,709
communications division because

3117
01:51:59,709 --> 01:52:00,944
it no longer exists and the

3118
01:52:00,944 --> 01:52:01,844
forensic division because that

3119
01:52:01,844 --> 01:52:02,478
has largely been civilian eyes.

3120
01:52:02,478 --> 01:52:05,249
Now there's not a place we

3121
01:52:05,249 --> 01:52:08,385
would put swore in limited duty

3122
01:52:08,385 --> 01:52:10,530
personnel. As healthy for 10

3123
01:52:10,530 --> 01:52:10,721
financial crime complaints.

3124
01:52:10,721 --> 01:52:13,721
We added state statutes for

3125
01:52:15,292 --> 01:52:16,226
forgery and identity theft to

3126
01:52:16,226 --> 01:52:16,693
the definition section

3127
01:52:16,693 --> 01:52:17,628
updated a patrol

3128
01:52:17,628 --> 01:52:18,295
responsibilities. One taking

3129
01:52:18,295 --> 01:52:19,730
in investigative packets for

3130
01:52:19,730 --> 01:52:22,730
forgery and identity theft and

3131
01:52:23,660 --> 01:52:25,135
worthless checks cleaned up

3132
01:52:25,135 --> 01:52:27,535
some of the language.

3133
01:52:27,804 --> 01:52:28,439
We removed the investigation

3134
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:30,474
of skimming devices for as

3135
01:52:30,474 --> 01:52:31,543
solely as a criminal

3136
01:52:31,543 --> 01:52:32,977
investigation. Bureau

3137
01:52:32,977 --> 01:52:35,377
responsibility as those can

3138
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:36,781
be handled by anybody now to

3139
01:52:36,781 --> 01:52:37,481
include patrol officers.

3140
01:52:37,481 --> 01:52:40,585
And then we updated the links

3141
01:52:40,585 --> 01:52:42,654
to the financial crime

3142
01:52:42,654 --> 01:52:44,522
SharePoint Cage.

3143
01:52:44,522 --> 01:52:46,524
A critical incident review

3144
01:52:46,524 --> 01:52:47,524
board. We looked at that

3145
01:52:47,524 --> 01:52:49,593
closely. We wanted to make sure

3146
01:52:49,593 --> 01:52:50,628
policy matches practice.

3147
01:52:50,628 --> 01:52:53,731
So we changed the last section

3148
01:52:53,731 --> 01:52:55,867
of it to go from the executive

3149
01:52:55,867 --> 01:52:56,900
you to the chief of police

3150
01:52:56,900 --> 01:52:59,838
review hours before was once

3151
01:52:59,838 --> 01:53:00,537
the critical incident Review

3152
01:53:00,537 --> 01:53:03,374
board was Meeting was convened

3153
01:53:03,374 --> 01:53:04,108
with the executive command

3154
01:53:04,108 --> 01:53:07,708
staff within 60 days to go over

3155
01:53:07,745 --> 01:53:10,745
the results of that curve

3156
01:53:10,749 --> 01:53:14,386
meeting. How it is now is that

3157
01:53:14,386 --> 01:53:15,860
once the critical as every book

3158
01:53:15,860 --> 01:53:16,788
the findings from that review

3159
01:53:16,788 --> 01:53:20,920
are given to the chief within

3160
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:20,792
14 days and then from there

3161
01:53:20,792 --> 01:53:22,561
once the chief, whereas final

3162
01:53:22,561 --> 01:53:24,630
approval over the board's

3163
01:53:24,630 --> 01:53:26,465
findings, once that's done,

3164
01:53:26,465 --> 01:53:27,365
the results are for it on to

3165
01:53:27,365 --> 01:53:30,201
both the fire and police

3166
01:53:30,201 --> 01:53:30,903
commission as well as the

3167
01:53:30,903 --> 01:53:33,903
impacted members union. So the

3168
01:53:35,730 --> 01:53:36,941
policy now matches how the

3169
01:53:36,941 --> 01:53:38,744
practice really is with stop

3170
01:53:38,744 --> 01:53:39,410
for 90 to Merit Award program.

3171
01:53:39,410 --> 01:53:42,381
We replace the English with

3172
01:53:42,381 --> 01:53:43,114
Distinguished Service Award and

3173
01:53:43,114 --> 01:53:43,849
created the Career Achievement

3174
01:53:43,849 --> 01:53:48,490
Award. We had a couple of other

3175
01:53:48,654 --> 01:53:49,688
new awards project initiative

3176
01:53:49,688 --> 01:53:50,556
the Year award for the Unit

3177
01:53:50,556 --> 01:53:52,958
Service Award. We created an

3178
01:53:52,958 --> 01:53:53,627
honorable mention because we

3179
01:53:53,627 --> 01:53:56,280
had quite a number of units

3180
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:56,795
service awards. However, only

3181
01:53:56,795 --> 01:53:57,531
one is selected. We thought it

3182
01:53:57,531 --> 01:54:01,801
would be a good idea to have an

3183
01:54:01,801 --> 01:54:03,870
honorable mention category for

3184
01:54:03,870 --> 01:54:04,737
that. We took out the language

3185
01:54:04,737 --> 01:54:05,538
because we move from to

3186
01:54:05,538 --> 01:54:06,239
marriage ceremonies year one

3187
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:10,439
in spring and fall to just one

3188
01:54:11,978 --> 01:54:13,646
annual ceremony which will be.

3189
01:54:13,646 --> 01:54:14,347
4th of this year. And then we

3190
01:54:14,347 --> 01:54:17,347
also added a citizen Community

3191
01:54:17,650 --> 01:54:19,553
Engagement award for U.S.

3192
01:54:19,553 --> 01:54:21,520
Citizens.

3193
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:22,189
Computer equipment,

3194
01:54:22,189 --> 01:54:22,888
applications and systems not

3195
01:54:22,888 --> 01:54:25,240
going to bore you with all the

3196
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:25,724
language that's in there.

3197
01:54:25,724 --> 01:54:27,761
But the big one was we updated

3198
01:54:27,761 --> 01:54:28,361
the term people, staff member

3199
01:54:28,361 --> 01:54:31,361
to employee id number as

3200
01:54:32,698 --> 01:54:34,568
people, staff members are no

3201
01:54:34,568 --> 01:54:35,535
longer used social networking

3202
01:54:35,535 --> 01:54:36,269
sites change with the changing

3203
01:54:36,269 --> 01:54:38,172
of the times. We language in

3204
01:54:38,172 --> 01:54:40,400
there that reference social

3205
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,440
media platforms like Twitter.

3206
01:54:43,310 --> 01:54:44,846
So we updated with modern

3207
01:54:44,846 --> 01:54:45,913
language but probably

3208
01:54:45,913 --> 01:54:49,249
the biggest area that we put in

3209
01:54:49,249 --> 01:54:52,249
there was some language about

3210
01:54:53,420 --> 01:54:54,550
generative ai.

3211
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:54,788
So why for sexual assault

3212
01:54:54,788 --> 01:54:55,957
investigations? We allow people

3213
01:54:55,957 --> 01:54:58,250
language in there along the

3214
01:54:58,250 --> 01:54:58,859
victim to choose the interview

3215
01:54:58,859 --> 01:55:00,394
location when practice

3216
01:55:00,394 --> 01:55:01,270
practicable and ensure that

3217
01:55:01,270 --> 01:55:03,427
the victims interviewed a

3218
01:55:04,298 --> 01:55:05,398
private setting records with

3219
01:55:05,398 --> 01:55:08,398
best practices we have received

3220
01:55:09,436 --> 01:55:10,136
funding from the Common Council

3221
01:55:10,136 --> 01:55:13,390
as part of our the end of 24.

3222
01:55:13,390 --> 01:55:15,900
And 25 as part of our budget

3223
01:55:15,900 --> 01:55:17,409
creates offerings, we were

3224
01:55:17,511 --> 01:55:18,179
going to create 2 soffer rooms

3225
01:55:18,179 --> 01:55:20,481
softening. Every one of our

3226
01:55:20,481 --> 01:55:21,148
work location. So there's a

3227
01:55:21,148 --> 01:55:21,848
staff room and every one of

3228
01:55:21,848 --> 01:55:24,848
our district stations, as well

3229
01:55:24,919 --> 01:55:26,621
as the police administration

3230
01:55:26,621 --> 01:55:27,356
going.

3231
01:55:27,356 --> 01:55:30,356
Lastly with the school resource

3232
01:55:31,292 --> 01:55:33,961
officers So I greet this back

3233
01:55:33,961 --> 01:55:34,663
in JULY, we updated something

3234
01:55:34,663 --> 01:55:35,329
since then. 2 things updated.

3235
01:55:35,329 --> 01:55:37,665
Its school resource officers

3236
01:55:37,665 --> 01:55:39,567
are now assigned to a school to

3237
01:55:39,567 --> 01:55:41,670
begin the school year. Adding

3238
01:55:41,670 --> 01:55:43,438
that the panel interview for

3239
01:55:43,438 --> 01:55:44,105
New can continue with with only

3240
01:55:44,105 --> 01:55:46,505
mpd representatives. If MPs

3241
01:55:46,641 --> 01:55:47,643
representatives are not

3242
01:55:47,643 --> 01:55:49,110
available, participate. That

3243
01:55:49,110 --> 01:55:49,811
concludes all the updates.

3244
01:55:49,811 --> 01:55:52,811
Happy to answer any questions

3245
01:55:53,681 --> 01:55:54,416
they would ask, though, that

3246
01:55:54,416 --> 01:55:57,416
any questions related to school

3247
01:55:59,654 --> 01:56:02,540
resource officers program be

3248
01:56:03,792 --> 01:56:05,794
held until Captain Arbyrd

3249
01:56:05,794 --> 01:56:07,663
the program is doing. We did

3250
01:56:07,663 --> 01:56:08,264
send that over and ask that

3251
01:56:08,264 --> 01:56:11,233
that So it held up until

3252
01:56:11,233 --> 01:56:13,633
SEPTEMBER 17, but it was

3253
01:56:15,704 --> 01:56:17,720
included on the agenda.

3254
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:19,720
Go ahead.

3255
01:56:20,409 --> 01:56:23,409
What are the districts again

3256
01:56:23,846 --> 01:56:24,480
for the soft loans?

3257
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:26,583
2 through 7 as well as the

3258
01:56:26,583 --> 01:56:27,850
police administration building

3259
01:56:27,850 --> 01:56:30,250
which houses district number

3260
01:56:31,860 --> 01:56:34,390
one as well as the criminal

3261
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:36,390
investigation bureau. Thank

3262
01:56:36,592 --> 01:56:38,592
you.

3263
01:56:39,896 --> 01:56:41,898
Are there any other questions

3264
01:56:41,898 --> 01:56:43,898
or comments?

3265
01:56:43,900 --> 01:56:44,933
MADAM Chair, I get just on

3266
01:56:44,933 --> 01:56:47,336
that. No, I about firms as well

3267
01:56:47,336 --> 01:56:49,405
as I just wanted to say.

3268
01:56:49,405 --> 01:56:51,600
I definitely appreciate the

3269
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:54,600
expansion of Do think that

3270
01:56:54,277 --> 01:56:56,178
those have the opportunity to

3271
01:56:56,178 --> 01:56:57,881
make a big difference

3272
01:56:57,881 --> 01:56:58,547
for individuals. I, of course,

3273
01:56:58,547 --> 01:57:00,216
have questions about the sro

3274
01:57:00,216 --> 01:57:03,486
program. The I'm happy to hold

3275
01:57:03,486 --> 01:57:05,221
over for when we talk about

3276
01:57:05,221 --> 01:57:07,221
that.

3277
01:57:09,425 --> 01:57:12,425
With regards to the merit

3278
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:14,130
awards, I guess just said

3279
01:57:14,130 --> 01:57:16,533
suggestion or a question about

3280
01:57:16,533 --> 01:57:19,533
the sort of project an

3281
01:57:19,904 --> 01:57:21,905
initiative of the year. I I

3282
01:57:21,905 --> 01:57:22,907
would love if those could also

3283
01:57:22,907 --> 01:57:23,973
acknowledge problem oriented

3284
01:57:23,973 --> 01:57:25,808
policing initiatives and

3285
01:57:25,808 --> 01:57:27,877
problem oriented policing work

3286
01:57:27,877 --> 01:57:28,579
as the department continues to

3287
01:57:28,579 --> 01:57:31,579
grow their efforts with pop.

3288
01:57:31,682 --> 01:57:32,982
And I think that that's also

3289
01:57:32,982 --> 01:57:35,382
particularly helpful for us

3290
01:57:36,986 --> 01:57:37,655
on the promotion side as well

3291
01:57:37,655 --> 01:57:40,524
as I have begun to ask folks

3292
01:57:40,524 --> 01:57:42,924
during promotions about problem

3293
01:57:48,632 --> 01:57:50,632
oriented policing efforts.

3294
01:57:51,535 --> 01:57:52,169
A need for their comments.

3295
01:57:52,169 --> 01:57:54,205
Questions. Okay. This is a

3296
01:57:54,205 --> 01:57:56,605
further action is required.

3297
01:57:57,509 --> 01:57:59,543
Director, please proceed with

3298
01:57:59,543 --> 01:58:00,644
the agenda.

3299
01:58:00,644 --> 01:58:02,414
I will now read the items under

3300
01:58:02,414 --> 01:58:04,381
the Department of Emergency

3301
01:58:04,381 --> 01:58:06,381
communication starting with

3302
01:58:07,384 --> 01:58:09,153
item 11 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 7,

3303
01:58:09,153 --> 01:58:09,854
resolution relating to the

3304
01:58:09,854 --> 01:58:12,254
appointments to the emergency

3305
01:58:12,757 --> 01:58:13,624
communications officer. One

3306
01:58:13,624 --> 01:58:14,292
position, 15 appointments.

3307
01:58:14,292 --> 01:58:17,292
Do any of the commissioners

3308
01:58:17,495 --> 01:58:20,495
have any comments or questions

3309
01:58:26,537 --> 01:58:27,939
regarding this item?

3310
01:58:27,939 --> 01:58:29,908
Discussion?

3311
01:58:29,908 --> 01:58:33,211
I will take a voice vote on

3312
01:58:33,211 --> 01:58:36,811
this item all in favor. Please

3313
01:58:38,683 --> 01:58:41,683
any opposed. And the extensions

3314
01:58:42,587 --> 01:58:44,987
motion carries director, please

3315
01:58:45,591 --> 01:58:47,527
proceed with the agenda item

3316
01:58:47,527 --> 01:58:48,159
12 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 8,

3317
01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:48,861
resolution relating to the

3318
01:58:48,861 --> 01:58:49,861
contingent appointments to the

3319
01:58:49,861 --> 01:58:51,861
emergency communications

3320
01:58:53,165 --> 01:58:54,232
officer. One position, 9

3321
01:58:54,232 --> 01:58:54,933
contingent appointments.

3322
01:58:54,933 --> 01:58:57,933
Do any commissioners have any

3323
01:58:59,338 --> 01:59:02,338
comments or questions on this

3324
01:59:02,607 --> 01:59:04,643
Is there a motion on this

3325
01:59:04,643 --> 01:59:06,579
matter? So second. Thank you.

3326
01:59:06,579 --> 01:59:10,483
Well, take a voice vote on this

3327
01:59:10,483 --> 01:59:13,483
item all in favor. Please

3328
01:59:17,155 --> 01:59:19,324
signify by saying yes, I said

3329
01:59:19,324 --> 01:59:21,724
carries. You know, it's

3330
01:59:22,261 --> 01:59:24,163
interesting that we use the

3331
01:59:24,163 --> 01:59:27,433
word. I like Mike. We're back

3332
01:59:27,433 --> 01:59:28,935
in 19 o colonial times or

3333
01:59:28,935 --> 01:59:30,935
tradition.

3334
01:59:32,139 --> 01:59:34,740
Director, please proceed.

3335
01:59:34,740 --> 01:59:34,641
All right. Item 13 f pc, 2, 1,

3336
01:59:34,641 --> 01:59:36,476
2, 6, 7, 9, resolution

3337
01:59:36,476 --> 01:59:38,876
rescinding the promotion to

3338
01:59:39,780 --> 01:59:41,148
the emergency communications

3339
01:59:41,148 --> 01:59:41,849
officer for position.

3340
01:59:41,849 --> 01:59:44,984
Can a member of the department

3341
01:59:44,984 --> 01:59:47,984
please provide an overview of

3342
01:59:50,656 --> 01:59:52,656
this request?

3343
01:59:56,964 --> 01:59:59,964
That's why the human Resources

3344
02:00:02,535 --> 02:00:04,535
Administration manager.

3345
02:00:06,173 --> 02:00:08,800
And this is a relation to Katy

3346
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:10,408
available to complete the

3347
02:00:11,980 --> 02:00:13,146
training that was required.

3348
02:00:13,146 --> 02:00:13,981
As noted she has had time off

3349
02:00:13,981 --> 02:00:17,284
payroll and due to an extended

3350
02:00:17,284 --> 02:00:20,284
medical leave that inhibits her

3351
02:00:26,294 --> 02:00:27,861
to do so.

3352
02:00:27,861 --> 02:00:29,930
To make sure that.

3353
02:00:29,930 --> 02:00:31,798
We are doing things on the up

3354
02:00:31,798 --> 02:00:32,834
and up and not missing

3355
02:00:32,834 --> 02:00:35,234
something here. If memory

3356
02:00:36,704 --> 02:00:39,400
serves me correctly back at the

3357
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:41,843
last meeting in JULY, the board

3358
02:00:41,843 --> 02:00:43,444
did these promotions contingent

3359
02:00:43,444 --> 02:00:45,844
upon completing the training,

3360
02:00:46,113 --> 02:00:47,814
which was a little unusual.

3361
02:00:47,814 --> 02:00:48,516
But I think we were told that

3362
02:00:48,516 --> 02:00:51,516
the completion of the training

3363
02:00:52,860 --> 02:00:55,686
was expected. You know, at the

3364
02:00:56,891 --> 02:00:57,493
end of that week, which would

3365
02:00:57,493 --> 02:00:59,493
I think

3366
02:00:59,494 --> 02:01:03,940
and then now this person's on

3367
02:01:03,898 --> 02:01:06,701
extended medical leave. So I

3368
02:01:06,701 --> 02:01:07,368
2 questions. The first one MAY

3369
02:01:07,368 --> 02:01:10,968
be less important if if the

3370
02:01:11,272 --> 02:01:14,872
person was on the medical leave

3371
02:01:15,176 --> 02:01:15,910
that at that time and 2 we have

3372
02:01:15,910 --> 02:01:19,510
to be careful that if someone's

3373
02:01:19,948 --> 02:01:20,549
on a type of legally protected

3374
02:01:20,549 --> 02:01:22,949
leave, that they're not

3375
02:01:24,219 --> 02:01:26,880
they are afforded the

3376
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:27,550
opportunity to complete just

3377
02:01:27,550 --> 02:01:27,755
given the same substantive

3378
02:01:27,755 --> 02:01:28,457
opportunity that that someone

3379
02:01:28,457 --> 02:01:30,292
else would be. And I just want

3380
02:01:30,292 --> 02:01:33,595
to make sure we're not missing

3381
02:01:33,595 --> 02:01:35,763
that. And creating a potential

3382
02:01:35,763 --> 02:01:37,763
problem.

3383
02:01:38,733 --> 02:01:39,434
Yes, says thank you for asking

3384
02:01:39,434 --> 02:01:41,834
that question. That employees

3385
02:01:42,737 --> 02:01:44,640
still has not returned back

3386
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:45,307
from her leave. So we haven't

3387
02:01:45,307 --> 02:01:45,974
had the opportunity to allow

3388
02:01:45,974 --> 02:01:49,211
her to do that since she has

3389
02:01:49,211 --> 02:01:52,211
not returned back from leave.

3390
02:02:00,422 --> 02:02:03,693
Would there be any harm in

3391
02:02:03,693 --> 02:02:07,293
How long has she been out?

3392
02:02:10,165 --> 02:02:13,669
At least she has been out.

3393
02:02:13,669 --> 02:02:14,370
That information in front of

3394
02:02:14,370 --> 02:02:17,740
me. So I guess I would be that

3395
02:02:17,740 --> 02:02:19,900
MAY be giving accurate

3396
02:02:19,900 --> 02:02:22,900
information. But I no the

3397
02:02:23,780 --> 02:02:25,147
recent information that we have

3398
02:02:25,147 --> 02:02:28,185
received from her. I was in

3399
02:02:28,185 --> 02:02:29,319
regards to a doctor note with

3400
02:02:29,319 --> 02:02:32,319
some being out sometime in

3401
02:02:32,622 --> 02:02:36,222
July. Up until this time, she

3402
02:02:40,463 --> 02:02:41,531
has not returned.

3403
02:02:41,531 --> 02:02:43,931
Has to be carefully.

3404
02:02:43,934 --> 02:02:47,534
Looked at in terms of whether

3405
02:02:47,604 --> 02:02:48,238
or not there's an to this

3406
02:02:48,238 --> 02:02:51,109
person or like and I know

3407
02:02:51,109 --> 02:02:54,109
that's not really the subject

3408
02:02:54,612 --> 02:02:57,612
matter here, I I'm sensitive

3409
02:02:59,283 --> 02:03:00,183
to those questions.

3410
02:03:00,183 --> 02:03:03,183
So if she does request.

3411
02:03:03,486 --> 02:03:04,554
Reinstatement after her medical

3412
02:03:04,554 --> 02:03:06,554
leave.

3413
02:03:07,858 --> 02:03:10,858
Which you have an opportunity

3414
02:03:11,294 --> 02:03:11,928
to make that request.

3415
02:03:11,928 --> 02:03:12,596
That and the request is in

3416
02:03:12,596 --> 02:03:14,996
regards to accommodating her

3417
02:03:16,435 --> 02:03:17,667
to complete the training.

3418
02:03:17,667 --> 02:03:18,369
That is that the question?

3419
02:03:18,369 --> 02:03:20,705
No, I don't know what kind of

3420
02:03:20,705 --> 02:03:23,139
accommodation she MAY or MAY

3421
02:03:23,139 --> 02:03:26,139
not need. I'm just wondering

3422
02:03:26,444 --> 02:03:28,579
whether or not your rescinding

3423
02:03:28,579 --> 02:03:30,579
the promotion.

3424
02:03:33,485 --> 02:03:35,885
But she's still employed.

3425
02:03:36,487 --> 02:03:39,487
Yes, she is still employed.

3426
02:03:40,491 --> 02:03:41,626
She's not return back from that

3427
02:03:41,626 --> 02:03:43,626
accommodations that are

3428
02:03:44,395 --> 02:03:45,730
required, we will engage in

3429
02:03:45,730 --> 02:03:46,665
that interactive process with

3430
02:03:46,665 --> 02:03:49,665
hair and follow that city

3431
02:03:53,171 --> 02:03:56,171
process. With regards to that.

3432
02:03:58,277 --> 02:04:00,450
Just

3433
02:04:00,450 --> 02:04:00,779
Why

3434
02:04:00,779 --> 02:04:03,179
this particular individual, I'm

3435
02:04:03,648 --> 02:04:06,648
sure if they're promoting, they

3436
02:04:07,485 --> 02:04:08,520
have to go through.

3437
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:10,520
A probationary period.

3438
02:04:12,890 --> 02:04:14,890
The probationary period.

3439
02:04:19,665 --> 02:04:20,265
It this wasn't rescinded by us.

3440
02:04:20,265 --> 02:04:23,202
No, I think that the the

3441
02:04:23,202 --> 02:04:25,380
promotion it's to a position.

3442
02:04:25,380 --> 02:04:27,973
That she will still have her

3443
02:04:27,973 --> 02:04:31,573
old position to go back to.

3444
02:04:33,146 --> 02:04:35,146
That yes.

3445
02:04:36,415 --> 02:04:40,150
If this wasn't enough for us.

3446
02:04:40,420 --> 02:04:41,921
This individual would have to

3447
02:04:41,921 --> 02:04:43,921
probationary period because

3448
02:04:45,826 --> 02:04:47,928
it is a new position for her

3449
02:04:47,928 --> 02:04:50,762
work in, I believe so. So this

3450
02:04:50,762 --> 02:04:52,899
is essentially a promotion from

3451
02:04:52,899 --> 02:04:53,700
a call taker to a dispatcher.

3452
02:04:53,700 --> 02:04:55,835
And that requires that they

3453
02:04:55,835 --> 02:04:58,437
complete a certain amount of

3454
02:04:58,437 --> 02:04:59,172
training to be the dispatcher.

3455
02:04:59,172 --> 02:05:02,172
The promotion was approved, but

3456
02:05:02,775 --> 02:05:04,677
contingent upon completing the

3457
02:05:04,677 --> 02:05:05,812
training. That is a that was a

3458
02:05:05,812 --> 02:05:07,547
little unusual, but it was

3459
02:05:07,547 --> 02:05:08,249
thought that given the upcoming

3460
02:05:08,249 --> 02:05:11,249
AUGUST recess and how close

3461
02:05:12,453 --> 02:05:14,121
these individuals were, that

3462
02:05:14,121 --> 02:05:15,588
exception was warranted.

3463
02:05:15,588 --> 02:05:18,892
So that's the situation we find

3464
02:05:18,892 --> 02:05:21,461
ourselves in now. And I do

3465
02:05:21,461 --> 02:05:23,429
understand that point.

3466
02:05:23,429 --> 02:05:27,290
And I do understand the chair's

3467
02:05:33,507 --> 02:05:36,810
point in that we want to make

3468
02:05:36,810 --> 02:05:38,578
training. If you will. If we

3469
02:05:38,578 --> 02:05:40,578
rescinded this.

3470
02:05:41,981 --> 02:05:43,500
This individual would go back

3471
02:05:43,500 --> 02:05:44,852
to the

3472
02:05:44,852 --> 02:05:47,852
old position and would not

3473
02:05:49,889 --> 02:05:51,725
necessarily be eligible for

3474
02:05:51,725 --> 02:05:54,725
promotion and chill. Some later

3475
02:05:56,697 --> 02:05:59,970
period. Yes, some individual

3476
02:05:59,767 --> 02:06:01,767
role.

3477
02:06:10,679 --> 02:06:11,346
The reason for. Asking.

3478
02:06:11,346 --> 02:06:14,249
To rescind this is to allow

3479
02:06:14,249 --> 02:06:17,249
another individual to step into

3480
02:06:17,284 --> 02:06:17,918
that role.

3481
02:06:17,918 --> 02:06:20,856
Assuming the answer is no.

3482
02:06:20,856 --> 02:06:24,456
But I'll let the department to

3483
02:06:27,362 --> 02:06:28,463
answer that.

3484
02:06:28,463 --> 02:06:32,630
Where I don't think that she

3485
02:06:32,500 --> 02:06:34,569
would be taking another spot at

3486
02:06:34,569 --> 02:06:37,505
this time. But when there is

3487
02:06:37,505 --> 02:06:38,740
another class that's available

3488
02:06:38,740 --> 02:06:41,420
to do that, we certainly would

3489
02:06:41,420 --> 02:06:43,479
put her back into that to

3490
02:06:43,479 --> 02:06:45,879
achieve obtaining that other

3491
02:06:45,981 --> 02:06:48,450
level of echo role. Do we know

3492
02:06:48,450 --> 02:06:51,754
when that might that next class

3493
02:06:51,754 --> 02:06:54,490
might be? Because I think it

3494
02:06:54,490 --> 02:06:55,223
speaks to.

3495
02:06:55,223 --> 02:06:58,940
The chairs. Want to ensure that

3496
02:06:58,940 --> 02:07:00,328
there's an accommodation within

3497
02:07:00,328 --> 02:07:00,997
a reasonable timeframe.

3498
02:07:00,997 --> 02:07:03,397
Training department. I don't

3499
02:07:03,899 --> 02:07:07,499
have that with me right now.

3500
02:07:09,838 --> 02:07:14,380
It makes in my mind, it makes

3501
02:07:15,710 --> 02:07:16,445
sense to rescind this right.

3502
02:07:16,445 --> 02:07:19,649
If if there is an upcoming date

3503
02:07:19,649 --> 02:07:20,215
pit, this individual could

3504
02:07:20,215 --> 02:07:22,215
possibly fall within.

3505
02:07:23,886 --> 02:07:25,955
Then I don't know if I would

3506
02:07:25,955 --> 02:07:26,689
vote to rescind it.

3507
02:07:26,689 --> 02:07:29,890
Yeah, right. Understanding it's

3508
02:07:33,263 --> 02:07:36,263
a timing issue right? Exactly.

3509
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:41,600
Get some clarity. If I recall

3510
02:07:41,772 --> 02:07:43,874
correctly, when we had

3511
02:07:43,874 --> 02:07:46,874
candidates were very close to

3512
02:07:47,811 --> 02:07:48,445
the completion of the training.

3513
02:07:48,445 --> 02:07:49,111
Do you know how close this

3514
02:07:49,111 --> 02:07:52,111
person was to completion and

3515
02:07:52,249 --> 02:07:56,449
do we have estimate as to when

3516
02:07:56,954 --> 02:07:58,954
they'll return?

3517
02:07:59,322 --> 02:08:01,624
With regards to the closeness

3518
02:08:01,624 --> 02:08:02,358
of completion. I don't have

3519
02:08:02,358 --> 02:08:05,394
that data right now. But I know

3520
02:08:05,394 --> 02:08:08,165
at that time when we were

3521
02:08:08,165 --> 02:08:10,165
reviewing the

3522
02:08:10,633 --> 02:08:11,301
initial list, you know, their

3523
02:08:11,301 --> 02:08:13,637
word variance exists between

3524
02:08:13,637 --> 02:08:14,538
individuals and when they were

3525
02:08:14,538 --> 02:08:16,673
finished Sheehan. But I I I

3526
02:08:16,673 --> 02:08:19,673
would generally say, you know,

3527
02:08:22,914 --> 02:08:24,883
they probably had like 5 or 6

3528
02:08:24,883 --> 02:08:28,483
types of items to complete the

3529
02:08:28,952 --> 02:08:31,890
list with regards to when this

3530
02:08:31,890 --> 02:08:32,556
person will return, we don't

3531
02:08:32,556 --> 02:08:35,360
have a specific date yet at

3532
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:36,270
this time from the individual

3533
02:08:36,270 --> 02:08:38,929
we have been reaching out to

3534
02:08:38,929 --> 02:08:41,932
her to talk with her, to

3535
02:08:41,932 --> 02:08:43,932
understand that.

3536
02:08:44,340 --> 02:08:45,370
With this individual have to

3537
02:08:45,370 --> 02:08:46,300
do the training. Start over

3538
02:08:46,300 --> 02:08:48,872
with the training or just

3539
02:08:48,872 --> 02:08:50,872
complete the missing

3540
02:08:51,942 --> 02:08:53,942
components.

3541
02:08:54,712 --> 02:08:55,979
I would have to defer to the

3542
02:08:55,979 --> 02:08:57,749
training department. They do

3543
02:08:57,749 --> 02:08:58,883
sometimes have assessments and

3544
02:08:58,883 --> 02:09:01,819
things that they will complete.

3545
02:09:01,819 --> 02:09:02,820
You know, based on the length

3546
02:09:02,820 --> 02:09:05,291
of time that there has been so

3547
02:09:05,291 --> 02:09:07,250
so fire right now since that

3548
02:09:07,250 --> 02:09:10,250
was approved back in JULY.

3549
02:09:10,295 --> 02:09:13,295
We're already over a month's

3550
02:09:14,165 --> 02:09:17,236
time with her. Having that gap.

3551
02:09:17,236 --> 02:09:18,604
Okay. And practically speaking

3552
02:09:18,604 --> 02:09:21,400
since the promotion was

3553
02:09:29,214 --> 02:09:32,214
contingent, it's not in effect

3554
02:09:32,517 --> 02:09:35,517
doesn't really matter one way

3555
02:09:38,591 --> 02:09:41,591
or the other. So what

3556
02:09:44,963 --> 02:09:48,563
one thing that I can see.

3557
02:09:56,976 --> 02:09:57,978
On fire. Second, that. Any

3558
02:09:57,978 --> 02:09:59,978
discussion?

3559
02:10:03,283 --> 02:10:06,283
All those in favor, please

3560
02:10:07,152 --> 02:10:09,322
signify by saying Aye. I I and

3561
02:10:09,322 --> 02:10:11,258
he posed any abstentions.

3562
02:10:11,258 --> 02:10:13,658
Motion carries director, please

3563
02:10:13,860 --> 02:10:15,928
not read the items under the

3564
02:10:15,928 --> 02:10:18,328
fire department starting with

3565
02:10:18,731 --> 02:10:19,698
item 14 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 0,

3566
02:10:19,698 --> 02:10:20,400
resolution relating to the

3567
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:23,603
promotion of Dennis m see them

3568
02:10:23,603 --> 02:10:24,271
to the emergency vehicle

3569
02:10:24,271 --> 02:10:26,271
mechanic 3 position.

3570
02:10:26,605 --> 02:10:29,605
Do any of the commissioners

3571
02:10:33,460 --> 02:10:34,413
have any comments or questions

3572
02:10:34,413 --> 02:10:35,150
The department wish to.

3573
02:10:35,150 --> 02:10:37,951
I provide in a statement

3574
02:10:37,951 --> 02:10:40,351
regarding this promote this

3575
02:10:42,923 --> 02:10:44,891
promotion?

3576
02:10:44,891 --> 02:10:45,526
Yes, this is Chief Lipski.

3577
02:10:45,526 --> 02:10:46,159
Hearing this one point of

3578
02:10:46,159 --> 02:10:48,559
clarification. It's not a

3579
02:10:49,397 --> 02:10:52,397
promotion. It's a new hire.

3580
02:10:53,601 --> 02:10:54,435
Oh, okay.

3581
02:10:54,435 --> 02:10:55,102
He is eminently qualified.

3582
02:10:55,102 --> 02:10:58,380
Will be happy to have him in

3583
02:10:58,380 --> 02:11:00,808
this capacity. Think you so

3584
02:11:00,808 --> 02:11:01,374
much.

3585
02:11:01,374 --> 02:11:04,374
Ok? Well, we need good

3586
02:11:04,645 --> 02:11:07,645
mechanics to keep those rigs

3587
02:11:10,510 --> 02:11:13,553
Brolin. Is there a motion on

3588
02:11:13,553 --> 02:11:14,589
second, any discussion?

3589
02:11:14,589 --> 02:11:17,591
At this is listed here as a

3590
02:11:17,591 --> 02:11:20,895
promotion. It is that most be a

3591
02:11:20,895 --> 02:11:23,895
being promoted into a position.

3592
02:11:30,438 --> 02:11:34,638
Me because but do we need a

3593
02:11:35,770 --> 02:11:35,743
All those in favor, please

3594
02:11:35,743 --> 02:11:38,143
any opposed any abstentions

3595
02:11:38,947 --> 02:11:41,347
motion carries director, please

3596
02:11:43,184 --> 02:11:44,185
proceed with the agenda.

3597
02:11:44,185 --> 02:11:45,152
Item, 15 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 1,

3598
02:11:45,152 --> 02:11:47,552
resolution relating to the

3599
02:11:48,257 --> 02:11:48,856
promotion without examination

3600
02:11:48,856 --> 02:11:51,793
of Keith Anderson to the

3601
02:11:51,793 --> 02:11:54,262
painter, 3 position. And I hope

3602
02:11:54,262 --> 02:11:56,662
this is a promotion.

3603
02:11:57,566 --> 02:12:01,166
Chief lipski. What can you tell

3604
02:12:04,873 --> 02:12:07,273
us about this item?

3605
02:12:07,609 --> 02:12:08,176
Keith we'll enjoy a promotion

3606
02:12:08,176 --> 02:12:11,176
of so approved. He is

3607
02:12:12,380 --> 02:12:13,480
incredibly qualified. He's been

3608
02:12:13,480 --> 02:12:16,480
with us since 2020 does all

3609
02:12:17,586 --> 02:12:18,220
manner of incredible things.

3610
02:12:18,220 --> 02:12:21,220
Not only just keeping our

3611
02:12:22,292 --> 02:12:25,292
facilities are kept up, making

3612
02:12:33,236 --> 02:12:35,705
artist and a craftsman. Thank

3613
02:12:35,705 --> 02:12:36,305
approval. Second.

3614
02:12:36,305 --> 02:12:38,600
Okay. This is a genuine

3615
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:40,642
promotions. So we will take a

3616
02:12:40,642 --> 02:12:43,420
roll call. Vote. Commissioner

3617
02:12:45,281 --> 02:12:47,281
Burgos. Commissioner Evans.

3618
02:12:48,150 --> 02:12:49,952
Commissioner Fund. I

3619
02:12:49,952 --> 02:12:51,952
Commissioner Amy. Commissioner

3620
02:12:52,321 --> 02:12:54,721
Snyder. I Commissioner Spence.

3621
02:12:55,592 --> 02:12:57,592
Commissioner Rob Patterson.

3622
02:13:00,128 --> 02:13:03,728
And the chair votes. Aye motion

3623
02:13:06,636 --> 02:13:07,437
carries please proceed with

3624
02:13:07,437 --> 02:13:08,471
the agenda item 16 f pc,

3625
02:13:08,471 --> 02:13:09,172
2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 2, resolution

3626
02:13:09,172 --> 02:13:11,572
rescinding the appointments to

3627
02:13:12,750 --> 02:13:14,475
the firefighter position for

3628
02:13:15,546 --> 02:13:17,546
rescissions.

3629
02:13:18,781 --> 02:13:20,617
Okay.

3630
02:13:20,617 --> 02:13:22,518
These rescissions because they

3631
02:13:22,518 --> 02:13:23,386
wouldn't that able to complete.

3632
02:13:23,386 --> 02:13:26,386
Yes, they either withdrew from

3633
02:13:26,657 --> 02:13:30,257
the process or did not complete

3634
02:13:30,728 --> 02:13:32,728
pre-employment King.

3635
02:13:35,765 --> 02:13:38,165
Do any commissioners have

3636
02:13:39,690 --> 02:13:40,371
0nd. Okay. Any other comment

3637
02:13:40,371 --> 02:13:42,371
or discussion?

3638
02:13:43,940 --> 02:13:46,940
All those in favor. Please

3639
02:13:48,979 --> 02:13:51,315
signify by saying by saying

3640
02:13:51,315 --> 02:13:53,315
abstentions

3641
02:13:55,686 --> 02:13:56,620
motion carries director, please

3642
02:13:56,620 --> 02:13:58,422
proceed item. 17 pc,

3643
02:13:58,422 --> 02:13:59,123
2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 3, resolution

3644
02:13:59,123 --> 02:14:01,523
rescinding the appointments to

3645
02:14:02,260 --> 02:14:05,260
the fire cadet position for

3646
02:14:09,366 --> 02:14:11,366
rescissions.

3647
02:14:21,450 --> 02:14:23,450
Discussion.

3648
02:14:23,470 --> 02:14:25,817
Okay. The now take a voice vote

3649
02:14:25,817 --> 02:14:29,417
on this item all in favor.

3650
02:14:31,691 --> 02:14:32,357
Please signify by saying Aye,

3651
02:14:32,357 --> 02:14:34,357
abstentions. Motion carries

3652
02:14:36,270 --> 02:14:37,996
director, please proceed with

3653
02:14:37,996 --> 02:14:38,864
the agenda. Moving on to the

3654
02:14:38,864 --> 02:14:41,264
items under the police

3655
02:14:41,933 --> 02:14:43,936
department starting with item

3656
02:14:43,936 --> 02:14:44,569
18 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 4,

3657
02:14:44,569 --> 02:14:45,237
resolution relating to the

3658
02:14:45,237 --> 02:14:45,905
promotion of Christopher for

3659
02:14:45,905 --> 02:14:48,305
Christopher Ferguson to the

3660
02:14:48,773 --> 02:14:50,773
maintenance assistant position.

3661
02:14:52,143 --> 02:14:55,143
Okay. Do any commissioners have

3662
02:14:55,248 --> 02:14:56,214
any comments or questions

3663
02:14:56,214 --> 02:14:58,214
regarding this item?

3664
02:15:02,655 --> 02:15:03,788
MADAM Chair, yes of approval of

3665
02:15:03,788 --> 02:15:04,523
discussion.

3666
02:15:04,523 --> 02:15:07,226
I will take a roll call vote in

3667
02:15:07,226 --> 02:15:09,226
alphabetical Order.

3668
02:15:10,529 --> 02:15:12,529
Commissioner Bill Gross.

3669
02:15:15,340 --> 02:15:17,340
Commissioner Evans.

3670
02:15:17,803 --> 02:15:18,404
Commissioner Amy.

3671
02:15:18,404 --> 02:15:20,404
Commissioner Snyder High

3672
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:23,440
Commissioner World Patterson.

3673
02:15:24,710 --> 02:15:27,613
The chair votes aye motion

3674
02:15:27,613 --> 02:15:29,613
carries director. Please

3675
02:15:31,284 --> 02:15:31,984
proceed with the agenda.

3676
02:15:31,984 --> 02:15:33,819
Item. 19 of pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8,

3677
02:15:33,819 --> 02:15:35,521
4, resolution relating to the

3678
02:15:35,521 --> 02:15:37,921
request to waive rule 11

3679
02:15:40,193 --> 02:15:40,894
Section 2, a for to police.

3680
02:15:40,894 --> 02:15:44,300
Can a member of the department

3681
02:15:44,300 --> 02:15:47,300
please provide an overview of

3682
02:15:47,233 --> 02:15:49,233
this request?

3683
02:15:52,380 --> 02:15:54,340
And a good meeting. MADAM Chair

3684
02:15:54,340 --> 02:15:57,644
So we have our last class of

3685
02:15:57,644 --> 02:15:59,579
the year class 3 of 2026.

3686
02:15:59,579 --> 02:16:01,480
Starting on DECEMBER 7.

3687
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:02,115
And when we were kind of

3688
02:16:02,115 --> 02:16:03,583
looking at and we're still

3689
02:16:03,583 --> 02:16:04,418
going through the applications.

3690
02:16:04,418 --> 02:16:05,185
So we're not quite sure how big

3691
02:16:05,185 --> 02:16:05,819
the class is going to be, but

3692
02:16:05,819 --> 02:16:08,155
it is also going to have a

3693
02:16:08,155 --> 02:16:10,570
number of police police say,

3694
02:16:10,570 --> 02:16:11,924
isn't it? We do have to police

3695
02:16:11,924 --> 02:16:13,260
age that fall just short.

3696
02:16:13,260 --> 02:16:17,300
I'll get to that in a second

3697
02:16:17,300 --> 02:16:18,932
of the age requirement to be

3698
02:16:18,932 --> 02:16:20,934
21. We have police say Gordon,

3699
02:16:20,934 --> 02:16:22,637
who's been with us since AUGUST

3700
02:16:22,637 --> 02:16:24,672
of 25. So he does he will have

3701
02:16:24,672 --> 02:16:27,608
had about a year and 4 months.

3702
02:16:27,608 --> 02:16:31,208
And by the time the class

3703
02:16:32,546 --> 02:16:33,146
starts and he has a birth date

3704
02:16:33,146 --> 02:16:35,546
3 days after started the

3705
02:16:36,484 --> 02:16:37,585
academy class that we have

3706
02:16:37,585 --> 02:16:40,585
police $0.08 who's been with us

3707
02:16:40,921 --> 02:16:43,858
since JULY. 24. So I have about

3708
02:16:43,858 --> 02:16:45,828
2 and a half years in.

3709
02:16:45,828 --> 02:16:48,828
When the class starts in

3710
02:16:48,863 --> 02:16:50,465
DECEMBER and his birthday is

3711
02:16:50,465 --> 02:16:53,267
DECEMBER 13th of 2005. So we

3712
02:16:53,267 --> 02:16:55,402
have 2 individuals to highly

3713
02:16:55,402 --> 02:16:56,104
motivated young adults who are

3714
02:16:56,104 --> 02:16:59,474
going to be 21 win. The class

3715
02:16:59,474 --> 02:17:00,575
starts but they'll be 21 by the

3716
02:17:00,575 --> 02:17:02,777
end of the first week of

3717
02:17:02,777 --> 02:17:03,478
that class, we understand and

3718
02:17:03,478 --> 02:17:04,345
I spoke and executive director

3719
02:17:04,345 --> 02:17:05,179
about this. There are a number

3720
02:17:05,179 --> 02:17:07,816
of steps they would have to

3721
02:17:07,816 --> 02:17:11,416
complete. None of which I don't

3722
02:17:11,687 --> 02:17:12,654
think our impossible overcome.

3723
02:17:12,654 --> 02:17:13,322
For instance, they're already

3724
02:17:13,322 --> 02:17:15,722
employed with The background

3725
02:17:16,558 --> 02:17:17,692
check was already done. You

3726
02:17:17,692 --> 02:17:20,692
would have to be updated.

3727
02:17:22,598 --> 02:17:26,198
They have to take their prt

3728
02:17:26,835 --> 02:17:28,504
physical readiness test.

3729
02:17:28,504 --> 02:17:29,270
It's built into their

3730
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:31,730
curriculum is regularly of

3731
02:17:31,730 --> 02:17:32,208
testing on their physical

3732
02:17:32,208 --> 02:17:34,343
fitness, prepare them for the

3733
02:17:34,343 --> 02:17:36,743
academy. And since we're

3734
02:17:38,346 --> 02:17:39,380
allowing those who are ready,

3735
02:17:39,380 --> 02:17:40,140
applicants who had failed the

3736
02:17:40,140 --> 02:17:42,952
prt previously to test and

3737
02:17:42,952 --> 02:17:43,685
passed up until the start of

3738
02:17:43,685 --> 02:17:47,285
the class. I don't believe that

3739
02:17:47,623 --> 02:17:48,224
that's impossible to overcome.

3740
02:17:48,224 --> 02:17:51,224
And that just leaves the

3741
02:17:52,161 --> 02:17:53,295
psychological test. And since

3742
02:17:53,295 --> 02:17:53,996
we have 3 months between now

3743
02:17:53,996 --> 02:17:57,833
and the start of the class, we

3744
02:17:57,833 --> 02:18:00,833
do believe that it's possible

3745
02:18:01,103 --> 02:18:04,507
for them to get him in, get

3746
02:18:04,507 --> 02:18:07,507
that on and then see

3747
02:18:09,110 --> 02:18:12,110
them successfully and to the

3748
02:18:12,315 --> 02:18:15,315
waived for these 2 find young

3749
02:18:19,989 --> 02:18:21,657
individuals.

3750
02:18:21,657 --> 02:18:24,794
A board fpc board ruled that

3751
02:18:24,794 --> 02:18:28,630
they have to be 21 before they

3752
02:18:28,630 --> 02:18:29,665
enter a class. From police say

3753
02:18:29,665 --> 02:18:31,568
2 police officers.

3754
02:18:31,568 --> 02:18:35,168
And and that the question is

3755
02:18:35,739 --> 02:18:39,339
whether or not to waive that

3756
02:18:44,248 --> 02:18:47,848
rule and limited term of these

3757
02:18:50,454 --> 02:18:51,540
when appropriate houses

3758
02:18:51,540 --> 02:18:54,624
I do have a good faith.

3759
02:18:54,624 --> 02:18:57,240
Disagreement with the assistant

3760
02:18:57,561 --> 02:18:58,229
chiefs are now on this. I

3761
02:18:58,229 --> 02:19:01,229
forwarded an e-mail from Fpc

3762
02:19:01,798 --> 02:19:04,798
staff to the commissioners to

3763
02:19:05,702 --> 02:19:07,337
copies in the file

3764
02:19:07,337 --> 02:19:08,139
well, I do appreciate isis are

3765
02:19:08,139 --> 02:19:09,974
now Zephyr to get as many

3766
02:19:09,974 --> 02:19:11,142
officers and police aids into

3767
02:19:11,142 --> 02:19:11,876
our classes as soon as

3768
02:19:11,876 --> 02:19:14,276
possible. That's something that

3769
02:19:15,213 --> 02:19:18,820
generally speaking is my goal

3770
02:19:18,820 --> 02:19:22,190
as well. That said, I do feel

3771
02:19:22,190 --> 02:19:22,654
in this particular instance,

3772
02:19:22,654 --> 02:19:26,254
there is not in my opinion

3773
02:19:26,991 --> 02:19:28,526
sufficient justification for

3774
02:19:28,526 --> 02:19:31,395
waiving the rule, given that

3775
02:19:31,395 --> 02:19:32,697
there will be an Adu next class

3776
02:19:32,697 --> 02:19:33,497
in MARCH. So 3 or 4 months

3777
02:19:33,497 --> 02:19:34,650
later, it's not as if they

3778
02:19:34,650 --> 02:19:37,650
would have to wait an

3779
02:19:37,435 --> 02:19:40,137
additional year. It's a matter

3780
02:19:40,137 --> 02:19:42,700
of months. More importantly,

3781
02:19:42,700 --> 02:19:44,842
though, I do think that this

3782
02:19:44,842 --> 02:19:47,842
would if not be impossible,

3783
02:19:48,780 --> 02:19:50,415
would be very for fpc staff to

3784
02:19:50,415 --> 02:19:53,415
complete this. Given the timing

3785
02:19:53,719 --> 02:19:56,154
of the request coming after

3786
02:19:56,154 --> 02:19:58,154
pre-employment has

3787
02:19:58,323 --> 02:20:00,225
already started the rspca human

3788
02:20:00,225 --> 02:20:01,393
resource officer who deals with

3789
02:20:01,393 --> 02:20:04,993
police lays out in his e-mail

3790
02:20:05,430 --> 02:20:07,266
and some detail why that would

3791
02:20:07,266 --> 02:20:07,967
be very difficult. And just I

3792
02:20:07,967 --> 02:20:10,836
think that's another factor as

3793
02:20:10,836 --> 02:20:14,436
to why the request should not

3794
02:20:19,745 --> 02:20:20,580
be granted.

3795
02:20:20,580 --> 02:20:23,580
Some hesitancy and this, too,

3796
02:20:26,385 --> 02:20:27,530
but it's about waiving a rule

3797
02:20:27,530 --> 02:20:27,147
that what's the slippery s#

3798
02:20:27,147 --> 02:20:27,226
#

3799
02:20:27,226 --> 02:20:27,316
#

3800
02:20:27,316 --> 02:20:29,316
#

3801
02:20:30,956 --> 02:20:31,657
here? It is compelling that

3802
02:20:31,657 --> 02:20:35,257
it's within the week but would

3803
02:20:35,627 --> 02:20:36,828
not be compelling if it was

3804
02:20:36,828 --> 02:20:40,990
within a month. And where would

3805
02:20:40,990 --> 02:20:43,699
we draw the line and future

3806
02:20:44,605 --> 02:20:46,605
request for waiver?

3807
02:20:47,907 --> 02:20:51,476
So there's that to consider as

3808
02:20:51,476 --> 02:20:53,476
sure.

3809
02:20:56,382 --> 02:20:57,316
With the police department.

3810
02:20:57,316 --> 02:20:57,984
Well, 40 years, this is a

3811
02:20:57,984 --> 02:21:00,984
regular occurrence. I can be

3812
02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:05,688
classed do it to police aides

3813
02:21:07,460 --> 02:21:09,629
who were. Allowed into the

3814
02:21:09,629 --> 02:21:12,290
34 years in the police

3815
02:21:14,868 --> 02:21:17,868
department. Such a good time.

3816
02:21:19,273 --> 02:21:22,273
He's been dozens of police

3817
02:21:24,770 --> 02:21:26,770
event.

3818
02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:36,120
Says issue, that's not a

3819
02:21:46,133 --> 02:21:49,133
problem, should be a problem.

3820
02:21:49,570 --> 02:21:52,570
Haven't read the email from

3821
02:21:55,709 --> 02:21:56,977
Jordan, it clearly outlines how

3822
02:21:56,977 --> 02:21:59,377
chilly impassable to get

3823
02:21:59,880 --> 02:22:00,714
everything done in a timely

3824
02:22:00,714 --> 02:22:03,714
fashion again, while it be

3825
02:22:05,787 --> 02:22:06,820
great and every single one we

3826
02:22:06,820 --> 02:22:09,820
worth everything we can do.

3827
02:22:10,925 --> 02:22:14,230
But unfortunate. Just a bad run

3828
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:18,430
time of year for it to be

3829
02:22:23,400 --> 02:22:24,339
that is true.

3830
02:22:24,339 --> 02:22:26,807
To waive the the rule.

3831
02:22:26,807 --> 02:22:29,760
Is there such motion and just a

3832
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:32,800
point of order? I think that

3833
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:34,480
would require a two-thirds.

3834
02:22:35,383 --> 02:22:38,983
Vote to wave to rule moment.

3835
02:22:51,933 --> 02:22:53,933
It's the potential.

3836
02:22:56,404 --> 02:22:59,709
MAY not that this MAY not are

3837
02:22:59,709 --> 02:23:01,709
these still interested?

3838
02:23:02,445 --> 02:23:03,145
Everybody? Yeah, they're

3839
02:23:03,145 --> 02:23:06,114
they're aware that, you know,

3840
02:23:06,114 --> 02:23:09,114
it's it's contingent upon ftc

3841
02:23:09,418 --> 02:23:12,418
approval. And are they still

3842
02:23:12,988 --> 02:23:13,689
interested?

3843
02:23:13,689 --> 02:23:16,890
Anyone coming becoming police

3844
02:23:16,558 --> 02:23:19,558
officers and waiting until the

3845
02:23:19,995 --> 02:23:21,163
next cycle?

3846
02:23:21,163 --> 02:23:21,831
Yes, as I said, they're they're

3847
02:23:21,831 --> 02:23:22,497
motivated young adults. And

3848
02:23:22,497 --> 02:23:25,497
they understand that we saw

3849
02:23:25,968 --> 02:23:28,700
this as an opportunity to get

3850
02:23:28,700 --> 02:23:29,380
them. And now rather than wait

3851
02:23:29,380 --> 02:23:31,700
3 months because it is also a

3852
02:23:31,700 --> 02:23:33,342
significant bump in pay going

3853
02:23:33,342 --> 02:23:36,342
from police say the recruiting

3854
02:23:37,800 --> 02:23:38,800
officer, they would then

3855
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:41,510
JUNE class, rather than have to

3856
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:42,953
wait to start to MARCH and then

3857
02:23:42,953 --> 02:23:45,923
graduate in OCTOBER. So and

3858
02:23:45,923 --> 02:23:48,824
given the fact that we have

3859
02:23:48,824 --> 02:23:51,824
class, one of 26 is currently

3860
02:23:52,462 --> 02:23:54,862
at 28 with 5 ladder. Also, 33

3861
02:23:55,398 --> 02:23:56,132
in class 2. A 26 I'm to of.

3862
02:23:56,132 --> 02:23:59,132
26 is now at 28. Anything we

3863
02:23:59,802 --> 02:24:03,402
can do to increase class sizes.

3864
02:24:06,109 --> 02:24:09,109
We are definitely going to

3865
02:24:09,512 --> 02:24:11,512
explore. Thank you.

3866
02:24:13,517 --> 02:24:15,519
Commissioner Burgos the year

3867
02:24:15,519 --> 02:24:17,621
experience is that it was a

3868
02:24:17,621 --> 02:24:20,924
loud routinely. If it they were

3869
02:24:20,924 --> 02:24:23,324
turning. 21 within the same

3870
02:24:24,195 --> 02:24:25,128
pay period. Is that right?

3871
02:24:25,128 --> 02:24:27,528
Assistant chiefs are no.

3872
02:24:28,332 --> 02:24:32,532
Are you aware of that? And then

3873
02:24:35,138 --> 02:24:35,706
is that the history as I am

3874
02:24:35,706 --> 02:24:36,407
aware that it happened

3875
02:24:36,407 --> 02:24:38,142
previously. This is the first

3876
02:24:38,142 --> 02:24:39,760
time I am aware of, though,

3877
02:24:39,760 --> 02:24:42,760
that under Chief Norman, we

3878
02:24:42,347 --> 02:24:45,515
have asked for the rules, be

3879
02:24:45,515 --> 02:24:47,515
waived. Okay. Okay.

3880
02:24:52,122 --> 02:24:54,958
I would suggest that if we're

3881
02:24:54,958 --> 02:24:57,160
good, do they at that? We be

3882
02:24:57,160 --> 02:24:59,560
consistent and perhaps have

3883
02:25:00,465 --> 02:25:02,667
a footnote to the rule about

3884
02:25:02,667 --> 02:25:03,967
the pay period.

3885
02:25:03,967 --> 02:25:04,569
Period so that it's not, you

3886
02:25:04,569 --> 02:25:06,969
know, 2 months later and

3887
02:25:07,505 --> 02:25:10,505
somebody saying, well, I didn't

3888
02:25:11,209 --> 02:25:13,209
get that.

3889
02:25:16,281 --> 02:25:19,418
So that's that would be my

3890
02:25:19,418 --> 02:25:22,418
being alluded to earlier about

3891
02:25:33,666 --> 02:25:37,266
the email, I think that begins

3892
02:25:39,805 --> 02:25:40,805
maybe leaving us to the call of

3893
02:25:40,805 --> 02:25:42,908
even the eligible pool based on

3894
02:25:42,908 --> 02:25:43,608
what I'm eating this e-mail as

3895
02:25:43,608 --> 02:25:46,579
think this is not eligible for

3896
02:25:46,579 --> 02:25:47,446
the MARCH class because he

3897
02:25:47,446 --> 02:25:49,415
would have the 2 years. So I

3898
02:25:49,415 --> 02:25:51,817
think I mean, I don't Huge

3899
02:25:51,817 --> 02:25:52,451
issue that of the song, right

3900
02:25:52,451 --> 02:25:55,451
foot. I just think there's

3901
02:25:55,588 --> 02:25:56,188
other concerning issues

3902
02:25:56,188 --> 02:25:59,188
outlined by the ftc that

3903
02:25:59,792 --> 02:26:02,729
wouldn't even allow some of

3904
02:26:02,729 --> 02:26:05,729
In fairness, the the two-year

3905
02:26:06,633 --> 02:26:08,680
period was reduced to a year so

3906
02:26:08,680 --> 02:26:11,680
that that's not a hindrance.

3907
02:26:14,573 --> 02:26:15,608
Concern. My primary concern

3908
02:26:15,608 --> 02:26:16,543
is with this being

3909
02:26:16,543 --> 02:26:18,543
realistically possible and

3910
02:26:18,544 --> 02:26:20,212
overburdening fpc staff Jordan

3911
02:26:20,212 --> 02:26:22,181
is someone that works extremely

3912
02:26:22,181 --> 02:26:23,616
hard. He has a lot on his plate

3913
02:26:23,616 --> 02:26:26,519
and he does its job very well.

3914
02:26:26,519 --> 02:26:30,719
And I want to be real sensitive

3915
02:26:32,250 --> 02:26:34,961
and respectful of that. MADAM

3916
02:26:34,961 --> 02:26:37,361
Am in agreement with

3917
02:26:37,931 --> 02:26:38,899
Commissioner Amy. I don't

3918
02:26:38,899 --> 02:26:41,299
necessarily have an issue

3919
02:26:41,402 --> 02:26:42,102
fundamentally with the waiving

3920
02:26:42,102 --> 02:26:45,600
of the rule in cases where the

3921
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:46,840
birthday is extremely close

3922
02:26:46,840 --> 02:26:48,408
tonight.

3923
02:26:48,408 --> 02:26:49,109
In a very sensitive to the need

3924
02:26:49,109 --> 02:26:50,877
that we have to increase class

3925
02:26:50,877 --> 02:26:52,579
size. And I think we hear that

3926
02:26:52,579 --> 02:26:54,514
from the community all the

3927
02:26:54,514 --> 02:26:58,652
time. I think I I just agree

3928
02:26:58,652 --> 02:27:01,721
that my concern is with in this

3929
02:27:01,721 --> 02:27:02,657
particular situation, the the

3930
02:27:02,657 --> 02:27:03,857
feasibility, if start of the

3931
02:27:03,857 --> 02:27:04,524
person that's responsible for

3932
02:27:04,524 --> 02:27:07,428
getting this done is saying

3933
02:27:07,428 --> 02:27:10,428
that it's not really possible

3934
02:27:10,598 --> 02:27:12,998
to get it done.

3935
02:27:14,367 --> 02:27:16,536
Okay. That. Okay. So with that

3936
02:27:16,536 --> 02:27:21,336
in mind is do we need a motion

3937
02:27:21,509 --> 02:27:22,210
to hold it to the call of the

3938
02:27:22,210 --> 02:27:25,210
options you could. There could

3939
02:27:27,130 --> 02:27:29,417
be a motion hold it or to place

3940
02:27:29,417 --> 02:27:32,417
it on file or too.

3941
02:27:33,487 --> 02:27:36,487
Approve. It approving it would

3942
02:27:41,597 --> 02:27:42,297
Well, I need a motion of some

3943
02:27:42,297 --> 02:27:46,497
Is there a motion to place the

3944
02:27:48,470 --> 02:27:52,700
center filed a move to place?

3945
02:27:55,142 --> 02:27:58,142
In favor. Please signify by

3946
02:27:59,747 --> 02:28:01,747
Any opposed

3947
02:28:03,500 --> 02:28:04,752
We have one dissent. That's

3948
02:28:04,752 --> 02:28:06,752
fine.

3949
02:28:06,787 --> 02:28:09,187
However, the majority voted.

3950
02:28:10,910 --> 02:28:13,910
I so the motion carries.

3951
02:28:16,970 --> 02:28:17,499
Director, please proceed.

3952
02:28:17,499 --> 02:28:18,133
I'm 20 fpc 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 6

3953
02:28:18,133 --> 02:28:20,133
resolution rescinding the

3954
02:28:21,370 --> 02:28:23,437
appointments to the police

3955
02:28:24,339 --> 02:28:26,339
officer transfer position.

3956
02:28:29,412 --> 02:28:32,412
Do any commissioners have any

3957
02:28:33,983 --> 02:28:35,983
questions about this?

3958
02:28:36,219 --> 02:28:38,219
I guess not.

3959
02:28:41,560 --> 02:28:43,910
MADAM Chair. Yes, move

3960
02:28:43,910 --> 02:28:44,930
Okay.

3961
02:28:44,930 --> 02:28:47,396
I'll take a voice vote on this

3962
02:28:47,396 --> 02:28:50,396
item all in favor. Please

3963
02:28:50,566 --> 02:28:52,966
signify by saying Aye.

3964
02:28:53,360 --> 02:28:53,736
Any opposed.

3965
02:28:53,736 --> 02:28:56,136
Any abstentions motion carries

3966
02:28:56,639 --> 02:28:59,390
that director. Please proceed.

3967
02:29:00,944 --> 02:29:02,812
Item. 21 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8,

3968
02:29:02,812 --> 02:29:03,447
7 resolution rescinding the

3969
02:29:03,447 --> 02:29:05,847
appointments to the police

3970
02:29:06,249 --> 02:29:08,249
officer position. 14

3971
02:29:08,384 --> 02:29:10,384
rescissions.

3972
02:29:11,688 --> 02:29:13,900
Chair. Yes, move approval.

3973
02:29:13,900 --> 02:29:15,900
Second.

3974
02:29:15,392 --> 02:29:18,392
Do any commissioners have any

3975
02:29:18,661 --> 02:29:19,797
questions or comments? Any

3976
02:29:19,797 --> 02:29:21,797
discussion?

3977
02:29:22,866 --> 02:29:24,101
I'll take a voice vote on this

3978
02:29:24,101 --> 02:29:27,101
matter. All in favor. Please

3979
02:29:27,471 --> 02:29:30,206
signify by saying Aye. Aye and

3980
02:29:30,206 --> 02:29:32,206
he opposed.

3981
02:29:32,510 --> 02:29:34,910
Any abstentions. Motion carries

3982
02:29:35,546 --> 02:29:36,513
director, please proceed item.

3983
02:29:36,513 --> 02:29:38,482
22 f pc 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 8,

3984
02:29:38,482 --> 02:29:40,490
resolution rescinding the

3985
02:29:40,490 --> 02:29:40,951
appointments to the police say

3986
02:29:40,951 --> 02:29:42,951
position 3 rescissions. Chair.

3987
02:29:44,255 --> 02:29:46,655
Yes, move approval. Second.

3988
02:29:53,664 --> 02:29:55,734
U.S. Is there any discussion?

3989
02:29:55,734 --> 02:29:57,680
I'll take a voice vote on this

3990
02:29:57,680 --> 02:30:00,680
item all in favor. Please

3991
02:30:01,940 --> 02:30:02,940
signify by saying Aye, aye.

3992
02:30:02,940 --> 02:30:05,940
Aye. Aye. Any opposed any

3993
02:30:07,745 --> 02:30:09,745
abstentions motion carries

3994
02:30:09,813 --> 02:30:10,414
director, please proceed.

3995
02:30:10,414 --> 02:30:11,216
23 f pc 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 9

3996
02:30:11,216 --> 02:30:11,849
resolution rescinding the

3997
02:30:11,849 --> 02:30:12,449
appointments to the police

3998
02:30:12,449 --> 02:30:14,449
district, administrative

3999
02:30:15,252 --> 02:30:16,687
assistant position to

4000
02:30:16,687 --> 02:30:18,687
rescissions.

4001
02:30:20,457 --> 02:30:24,261
We seem to have a whole lineup

4002
02:30:24,261 --> 02:30:26,331
of these guys and chair.

4003
02:30:26,331 --> 02:30:26,932
Approval?

4004
02:30:26,932 --> 02:30:29,332
Second. Okay. All right.

4005
02:30:29,867 --> 02:30:30,869
Great. I don't think there's

4006
02:30:30,869 --> 02:30:31,936
any discussion.

4007
02:30:31,936 --> 02:30:34,939
I will take a voice vote on

4008
02:30:34,939 --> 02:30:37,976
this item all in favor. Please

4009
02:30:37,976 --> 02:30:40,976
signify by saying Aye. Aye.

4010
02:30:41,781 --> 02:30:42,514
Annie opposed any abstentions.

4011
02:30:42,514 --> 02:30:43,181
Motion carries director, please

4012
02:30:43,181 --> 02:30:45,951
proceed with the agenda that

4013
02:30:45,951 --> 02:30:46,251
concludes the agenda. MADAM

4014
02:30:46,251 --> 02:30:48,251
Chair.

4015
02:30:49,554 --> 02:30:50,889
Do I have a motion to adjourn?

4016
02:30:50,889 --> 02:30:52,889
The move?

4017
02:30:55,360 --> 02:30:56,000
Second second second, 3rd, 4th