[0:08] This is the SEPTEMBER 3, 2026
[0:12] regular meeting of the Fire and
[0:15] Police Commission. PRESIDENT
[0:18] Commissioners, Burgos Evans
[0:20] found Remy Schneider, Spence,
[0:22] well, Paterson and myself,
[0:23] Commissioner Horwitz also
[0:25] present at the see Executive
[0:28] Director Leon Tad and Deputy
[0:29] Director Jake, who said
[0:32] director, please proceed with
[0:34] the agenda. Thank you. MADAM
[0:35] Chair. Before we proceed with
[0:36] the agenda, if I can beg your
[0:39] indulgence, I would just like
[0:41] to make a brief announcement
[0:44] yet. We announcement. I do want
[0:46] to say publicly and acknowledge
[0:47] that our Deputy director j p
[0:48] Usyk will be leaving the fpc
[0:51] very shortly. This is his last
[0:52] week with the ftc's. He's
[0:55] moving on to bigger and better
[0:57] things. Has had the honor of
[0:58] being appointed a circuit court
[1:00] judge for Milwaukee County.
[1:01] So he'll be joining the
[1:04] judiciary very soon. And I just
[1:05] want to one congratulate him on
[1:09] that. And also acknowledged
[1:11] that this well, it is good for
[1:19] him is a no less than great
[1:26] This is a a loss for the Fpc
[1:27] deputy director Psac has been a
[1:33] a great asset to the fpc both
[1:33] adviser to myself helping to
[1:37] push things forward in terms
[1:38] of constitutional police seen
[1:42] community in problem oriented
[1:44] policing advocating for that
[1:46] educating need to a greater
[1:48] extent on that. He's been
[1:50] fantastic working with the
[1:52] staff and he has done a lot
[1:55] to improve the fire and police
[1:57] commission and push things
[1:58] forward here. That said as good
[2:02] as deputy director that I think
[2:03] I he is. I think he will make
[2:05] an even better judge. She's
[2:07] going to be fantastic both in
[2:08] terms of substantive and
[2:10] procedural justice, a
[2:14] commitment to fairness and
[2:16] equity. And just a top notch
[2:18] keen legal minds. So again,
[2:20] many thanks a j. Appreciate
[2:21] everything you've done and
[2:22] congratulations. Thank you.
[2:24] Thank you. Director Todd and I
[2:25] just want to say a couple of
[2:26] words. I know everybody wants
[2:27] to get to that microphone
[2:30] tonight and to make your
[2:33] comments. But and first, I just
[2:35] want to think that the ftc
[2:37] staff, those most of those
[2:38] folks are not transparent.
[2:38] He all the they work behind the
[2:41] scenes to support the work that
[2:43] the board does. It's a it's
[2:43] a fairly large full-time staff
[2:48] to about 30 people. They do
[2:50] tremendous work to both
[2:52] oversee, investigate an audit.
[2:54] The public safety departments
[2:56] here in the city and they do
[2:58] really great work in that
[2:59] capacity. They also do the
[3:00] hiring testing in promoting
[3:03] to try to get the best people
[3:04] possible into the public safety
[3:05] departments. And it's sometimes
[3:10] thankless work. It's difficult,
[3:12] but it's been a real honor for
[3:13] me to be the person that's
[3:16] actually primarily what my job
[3:17] is. Ben, in this role is to
[3:21] help support and guide those
[3:23] folks in their work. And I just
[3:24] want to call out that work and
[3:27] thank them for the dedication
[3:27] that they have serving the
[3:29] community of Milwaukee also
[3:31] wanted to thank the
[3:32] commissioners here for the
[3:33] dedication and the work that
[3:34] they do to try to make sure
[3:38] that public safety is honoring
[3:40] the best practices that that
[3:42] we can find a around the
[3:43] country. And finally, I want
[3:48] to thank you all. Thank you for
[3:49] being here. The enthusiasm, the
[3:51] persuasive arguments, the
[3:53] passion that you all bring a
[3:56] every time this forward meats
[3:59] is really needed. And I'm
[4:00] always so happy to see all I'm
[4:06] glad to see such a big turnout
[4:10] here tonight. I really believe
[4:16] enforcement and public safety.
[4:16] It's a really valuable thing
[4:17] for a community to have.
[4:18] It doesn't always work
[4:20] perfectly right. And we know
[4:23] that. But it is something and
[4:24] it is important policing in a
[4:27] democracy means being
[4:29] transparent. With the people
[4:32] and it means working with the
[4:33] people. It's too figure out
[4:34] what law enforcement and
[4:36] policing and problem solving
[4:38] looks like. For the citizens of
[4:41] the community. And this board
[4:43] helps tried to. Accomplish that
[4:45] and link the community with the
[4:53] public safety departments to
[4:53] hopefully find ways that the
[4:54] department's can conform their
[4:55] conduct. What? The needs of the
[4:56] people are. So thank you all
[4:59] for being here. This wouldn't
[5:00] work without you. And so this
[5:00] is democracy in action. And
[5:04] it's really beautiful to see.
[5:05] So happy to see you all.
[5:08] It's certainly been a great
[5:08] honor for me to serve you all
[5:12] and the people of Milwaukee in
[5:12] this role. And I'm super
[5:13] excited to have the opportunity
[5:16] to continue to serve the people
[5:19] of Milwaukee County in my new
[5:22] role. So thank you all.
[5:31] Thank you, Jay. All right.
[5:32] We'll move on and get into the
[5:35] substance will begin with item
[5:36] number one. Public comment for
[5:37] those who would like to speak
[5:37] and are here in person, please
[5:41] come to sit at the front table
[5:42] when your name is called.
[5:42] If your appearing virtually in
[5:44] every registered in advance
[5:46] to speak, please use the raise
[5:46] my hand feature in the webinar
[5:49] tools and unmute yourself when
[5:49] called upon to speak. Each
[5:53] person will be given up to 5
[5:56] minutes to speak. I would
[5:57] there's a lot of people here.
[5:57] So out of respect for
[5:58] everybody, if everybody can
[6:00] limit their their statements to
[6:02] 5 minutes so we can get to
[6:04] everybody that would be greatly
[6:05] appreciated. And as we usually
[6:06] do, we will begin a always do.
[6:09] We will begin with people here
[6:13] or here in person starting with
[6:16] Alondra Garcia.
[6:23] Good evening.
[6:25] Good evening. When asked that
[6:25] of this, my name isn't on that
[6:26] icm where PRESIDENT
[6:29] Representing both as a lot from
[6:30] that on member lead
[6:30] organization that fights for
[6:34] work or immigrant and student
[6:35] rights in Wisconsin. We are
[6:36] here to respectfully ask the
[6:37] fire and police commission to
[6:40] not. We know the city grant
[6:42] with Flock. In late JUNE.
[6:43] 12th through the JULY 4
[6:44] weekend, we witnessed our own I
[6:47] surge in Milwaukee and
[6:49] throughout the state. This
[6:50] involved in the majority of
[6:51] cases unmarked vehicles
[6:54] surrounding and blocking our
[6:55] neighbors. So they left their
[6:57] homes and on masked and armed
[6:59] ice agents breaking windows
[7:01] and in some cases using a
[7:03] warrant in physical violence
[7:04] against people, including
[7:06] mothers and fathers who were
[7:07] physically mistreated and torn
[7:09] away from their children and
[7:12] loved ones. Our neighbors are
[7:13] not.
[7:16] Criminals, but the actions of
[7:17] ice are criminal. The continued
[7:19] use of excessive force leading
[7:22] to murder, followed the I
[7:24] search in Milwaukee. How can
[7:26] anyone in Milwaukee feel safe
[7:29] that the data mpd collects will
[7:31] be used to protect them when
[7:32] the federal government
[7:32] demonstrate its desire to
[7:33] implement racist policies and
[7:37] the use of violence and claims
[7:38] of immunity when so much of our
[7:40] personal data is being used
[7:41] and exploited for the profit
[7:44] and benefit those who already
[7:46] have immense power, whether in
[7:48] the federal government or
[7:48] private corporations, including
[7:51] the use of facial recognition
[7:52] technology and other
[7:53] digital data identifies.
[7:54] It is my hope that Milwaukee be
[7:56] an example of best practices.
[7:59] We asked you to vote to not
[8:00] when no flock, which would make
[8:03] our city less safe. Thank you.
[8:25] Kaye Lafond.
[8:26] I guess I'll just keep my
[8:27] comments brief. I think every
[8:28] time I come here and tell you
[8:31] how scared I am. I'm getting
[8:35] more and more scared. I have
[8:36] to imagine you all are as well.
[8:36] Things are starting to feel
[8:37] really particularly dystopian.
[8:40] I think I saw that we're gonna
[8:42] sign out there.
[8:43] It's just long past time to
[8:46] just put an end to this.
[8:49] This is just too much. I also
[8:50] wanted to say
[8:51] it's not enough to just ban
[8:55] flock, cancel o'clock contract.
[8:56] We should be disallowing any
[8:56] use of automatic license plate
[8:59] reader software in our city.
[9:08] I also want to say that the
[9:09] recent action to it simply
[9:10] limit access to the flock
[9:12] database, restricted to
[9:16] supervisors brings me no
[9:17] comfort and it feels like I do
[9:18] kind of like throwing us a bone
[9:20] to put us off of our goal, but
[9:22] we will not be put off. We will
[9:23] not stop until there are no
[9:26] more cameras in the city.
[9:29] Thank you.
[9:40] Emilio to Tory.
[9:43] Good evening. Good evening.
[9:46] Fire and police commissioners
[9:48] and director time. The judge,
[9:52] Turner's hope that you had a
[9:53] restful AUGUST.
[9:56] The mayor's proposed changes to
[9:57] police officers access to the
[9:57] flock. Surveillance cameras
[9:59] aren't surprising considering
[10:00] the overwhelming public outrage
[10:00] is more and more examples of
[10:02] law enforcement misuse of this
[10:05] mass surveillance tool come out
[10:06] every week. We've seen rampant
[10:07] abuse not only within the
[10:09] Milwaukee Police Department,
[10:09] but even in the I d and in
[10:13] cities across Wisconsin, in
[10:14] the country misuse of flock,
[10:15] surveillance systems is so
[10:16] pervasive. The national
[10:17] investigation was just launched
[10:19] by the U.S. Senate Judiciary
[10:20] Committee.
[10:21] Milwaukee's flock failures have
[10:21] caused national headlines
[10:22] showing it doesn't seem
[10:24] possible to keep this mass
[10:26] surveillance system out of the
[10:26] hands of unethical people who
[10:30] use it to terrorized women.
[10:31] They're sworn to protect the
[10:32] mayor's recent proposal is a
[10:32] last-ditch attempt to convince
[10:33] Milwaukee that the ongoing
[10:34] threat of officer abuse of
[10:36] flock can be fixed with just a
[10:37] few little tweaks. That is
[10:41] nothing wrong with mass
[10:41] surveillance. On top of this
[10:42] national outcry, the city is
[10:44] preparing to hold more than a
[10:44] dozen budget hearings in the
[10:45] next 2 months. The Common
[10:49] Council and the recent letter
[10:50] to the mpd in the Fpc indicated
[10:50] that the police department's
[10:52] continued problems with
[10:53] officers abusing flock must be
[10:54] addressed before takes up the
[10:55] budget. The mayor will soon
[10:56] propose can the mayor and the
[10:59] chief really just have a chat
[11:00] and skip the Fpc and Common
[11:01] Council whose job is to ensure
[11:02] that the department is
[11:04] accountable for the use of its
[11:06] surveillance tools. We can't
[11:08] have public safety without the
[11:08] public. Slight changes in
[11:09] procedure aren't enough to
[11:11] protect the people of Milwaukee
[11:13] from this constant
[11:14] surveillance. Milwaukee needs
[11:14] assurances that mpd and the
[11:15] city will end their contract
[11:18] and data sharing with flock.
[11:18] According to the most recent
[11:22] data from ipv m and the company
[11:22] that makes unknowns flock
[11:24] flock, scans, everyone, not
[11:26] just suspects. That's a quote.
[11:27] Fox on figure of 20 billion
[11:30] monthly reads across more than
[11:31] 5,000 agencies means the
[11:32] average American vehicles red
[11:34] roughly 70 times per month.
[11:37] This mass surveillance tactic
[11:38] is just not acceptable. The
[11:40] mpd and mayor suggested changes
[11:42] will do nothing to mitigate
[11:44] this. Equally troubling is how
[11:45] the mpd escorted review by the
[11:46] public Fpc in the Public Safety
[11:46] Committee by having the
[11:48] purchasing Department of the
[11:51] Department of Administration
[11:51] approve exceptions to bidding
[11:54] and waivers of financial
[11:55] finance and personnel committee
[11:56] approval for single source
[11:57] contracts in an apparent
[11:59] attempt to perpetually purchase
[12:00] new flock equipment and renew
[12:02] their contract with flock over
[12:03] and over again. They do this
[12:06] because there are exceptions
[12:08] to city charter section 16.
[12:09] 0, 5, 0, 2, which covers
[12:09] purchasing and competitive
[12:10] bidding. With contracts to be
[12:13] approved by the Finance and
[12:14] Personnel Committee. It was
[12:14] called to fight to ensure that
[12:15] service agreements abide by
[12:17] public and open competitive
[12:18] selection process is and public
[12:20] scrutiny to ensure money is
[12:21] being spent fairly. However,
[12:24] an agency can file exceptions
[12:25] to bid forms and waivers if the
[12:27] things being purchased for less
[12:29] than $50,000 where they are
[12:30] proprietary approved waivers
[12:32] and exceptions think it folded
[12:33] into a big pile of things that
[12:34] don't necessarily cross the
[12:37] desks of the fpc or public
[12:38] safety. Why? Because the
[12:38] purchasing division of the
[12:40] Department of Administration
[12:41] has been granting these waivers
[12:42] and exceptions according to
[12:46] Section 16. 0, 5, 0, 4, a which
[12:48] allows us so now Rhonda Kelsey
[12:49] over purchasing among others, a
[12:49] deal way have indefinitely
[12:51] extended impede his
[12:52] relationship with flock to
[12:54] these loopholes. This happened
[12:56] multiple times in 2022. 23.
[12:59] 24 25 and it's probably
[13:00] happening again now. I believe
[13:01] the police are being coached to
[13:03] do this by flock. These types
[13:03] of tactics. And there it is.
[13:06] a broadly discussed in flocks
[13:07] guide entitled how to speak to
[13:10] the city council's about public
[13:11] safety technology. We're
[13:11] morbidly instructs police to
[13:14] own the narrative before
[13:15] someone else does. The handbook
[13:17] highlights how flocking police
[13:18] can team up to convince cities
[13:19] to buy and keep its
[13:19] surveillance technology.
[13:22] Even when there is widespread
[13:25] public opposition to it.
[13:26] And let's be real flocks
[13:27] lobbying and government
[13:27] strategy. Teams will fund and
[13:28] world class they have. Brian.
[13:29] Lots of the former
[13:31] communications director for
[13:32] PRESIDENT Trump's 2016
[13:33] transition team. They work with
[13:34] the bgr group, one of the
[13:36] largest and wealthiest on the
[13:37] planet and among others, Kevin
[13:38] Kane, who was YouTube,
[13:39] government affairs director in
[13:40] the public policy director
[13:41] lobbyist for Twitter before
[13:43] that. So imagine how they can
[13:46] advise police to get what they
[13:48] want. And so I ask you, has the
[13:48] mpd again applied for
[13:49] exceptions to bidding and
[13:50] waivers to committee approval
[13:53] for a single source. Contracts
[13:53] like flock, according to the
[13:54] records they do this months in
[13:55] advance, which would put us
[13:57] near the date where they would
[13:58] have asked is this recent
[13:59] announcement from the mayor's
[14:02] office just so much pr to keep
[14:03] the contract? Can the fpc make
[14:04] a recommendation that the
[14:05] police department notified them
[14:06] immediately and publicly when
[14:07] they're going to apply for
[14:09] exceptions to bidding waivers
[14:10] before applying for them so
[14:11] that the civilian oversight
[14:14] body and the body and the me
[14:15] to wear the ftc needs to
[14:17] recommend that the mp the end
[14:18] and not renew a contract with
[14:20] flock or any other automated
[14:22] surveillance like it. How mpd
[14:22] has been doing it seems to
[14:23] circumnavigate the very core of
[14:26] what public oversight is
[14:27] supposed to be. Its yield go
[14:29] daddy. And Mommy says no rooms.
[14:30] The recent letter from the
[14:32] mayor and police about a new
[14:32] guardrails is not binding, not
[14:33] transparent, does not protect
[14:36] us from federal access to all
[14:37] this data and not believable
[14:38] considering how we've seen it
[14:40] exploded everywhere already
[14:41] this easily be used technology
[14:42] and sneaky way. It's been
[14:44] renewed over and over again
[14:46] reaffirms our conviction that
[14:47] Milwaukee was and diction to
[14:48] mass surveillance and not renew
[14:51] the contract with Flock.
[14:54] Thank you
[15:06] earthquake.
[15:12] Good evening. My name is Amanda
[15:13] Mark. Weigh in on the policy
[15:16] and advocacy director for the
[15:18] aclu of Wisconsin. And as I
[15:19] described from this chair many
[15:19] times, Milwaukee surveillance
[15:22] infrastructure is a sprawling
[15:24] Penndot to come. In addition
[15:25] to flock to an attack in Axon
[15:27] Alprs mpd serve ails us with
[15:29] cell site simulators, alternate
[15:30] stingrays, gun shot detection,
[15:31] microphones, drones, open
[15:32] source intelligence tools
[15:34] scraping the Internet for
[15:35] personal data in Geo-fencing
[15:36] data including data extracted
[15:38] from the dark Web. Her
[15:39] reporting on a contract and
[15:40] entities community connect
[15:41] integrated public and private
[15:42] surveillance camera network
[15:47] through an axon product called
[15:48] few sus 1200. And 25 life.
[15:50] He cameras blanketing the city
[15:50] that mpd can perform.
[15:53] Ai-powered image recognition
[15:55] searches like woman Maroon
[15:58] jacket with within a particular
[15:58] radius. Stingrays are only
[15:59] supposed to be used with a
[16:03] warrant, but mpd has so key
[16:04] for those. All the other stuff
[16:05] I listed and he deploys without
[16:08] a warrant supported by probable
[16:09] cause. Most of this dystopian
[16:10] technology was acquired as has
[16:11] been mentioned through no-bid
[16:13] sole source contracts that
[16:15] bypassed the Common Council's
[16:16] approval. And it relies on
[16:16] these rubber stamp sign-ups
[16:18] from the apartment
[16:19] administration purchasing
[16:21] division to obtain terrifyingly
[16:22] powerful, integrated artificial
[16:23] intelligence driven
[16:23] surveillance tech without
[16:26] Milwaukee residents knowledge
[16:29] let alone consent if you sis
[16:30] sole source contract, no stop
[16:31] open source intelligence, no
[16:34] stop stingrays. Sole source
[16:34] contract, no stop. And then we
[16:37] have flock, sole source
[16:38] contract.
[16:39] It's interesting to see the
[16:41] mayor take action now. That
[16:43] Flock is a political liability
[16:44] last year when it came to light
[16:45] that mpd use facial recognition
[16:47] technology for at least 5 years
[16:48] in secret without a policy in
[16:50] place. The mayor said he was
[16:52] supportive of thoughtful
[16:54] application of effort. He by
[16:56] mpd in FEBRUARY when former
[16:58] mpd officer host, we made
[16:59] national headlines for
[16:59] searching Flock 129 times.
[17:03] The stock is partner and her ex
[17:03] crickets from the mayor on
[17:04] March 5th, this room was packed
[17:06] with people tested and
[17:07] testifying against Flock on
[17:08] MARCH. 11th for members of the
[17:10] Common Council sent a letter
[17:11] to the ftc with urgent concerns
[17:12] regarding Flock. Another
[17:14] surveillance second, Milwaukee
[17:16] in JULY when criminal charges
[17:17] were filed against mpd,
[17:17] internal affairs detective
[17:20] tried to Chapman for allegedly
[17:21] using flock to track to
[17:22] people's locations. The mayor
[17:23] said he still supports the use
[17:24] of flock and quote, we should
[17:25] embrace technology and policing
[17:28] when it's done the right way.
[17:30] In Wisconsin since DECEMBER.
[17:32] Appleton, Ashland, should tech
[17:34] Dane County Fitchburg Grand
[17:36] Chute, Kenosha, Kaukauna, uw
[17:37] Madison Police. Mcfarland
[17:39] Marinette nationally Scott
[17:41] Sheboygan, Stout and student
[17:44] Sturgeon Bay Verona and Racine
[17:45] have either canceled or not.
[17:46] Renewed flock contracts begged
[17:47] cameras are taking steps
[17:49] towards canceling a contract
[17:51] news that broke when we were
[17:52] just waiting in the hallway
[17:53] about why Sheboygan abruptly
[17:54] bagged their cameras and are
[17:56] working to cancel the contract
[17:57] earlier this summer, a flock
[17:59] sales rep reached out to
[18:01] Sheboygan. Is engineering
[18:03] department offering to sell the
[18:04] city 5 years worth of data on
[18:05] traffic speeds and movements
[18:09] captured by these flock cameras
[18:10] in the city of Sheboygan, which
[18:11] was news to Sheboygan. The
[18:15] flock was even collecting any
[18:16] of that data for years on
[18:17] AUGUST. 25th 12 of the 15
[18:17] members of the Milwaukee Common
[18:18] Council sent a letter to mpd
[18:21] and the Fpc about flock with
[18:24] a request for data. And there's
[18:25] some very specific reforms on
[18:26] AUGUST. 28th Texas Governor
[18:27] Greg Abbott announced he was
[18:29] blocking state agencies from
[18:31] spending money on flock cameras
[18:32] on AUGUST 31st. Florida
[18:33] Governor Ron DeSantis ordered
[18:37] the state dot to revoke alpr
[18:38] permits on
[18:39] state roads then on AUGUST
[18:40] 31st. Mayor Johnson issued a
[18:42] press release about changes
[18:45] and how mpd uses flock. Nothing
[18:47] codified and stop. It's Common
[18:47] Council Finance Chair Dimitri
[18:48] much told urban Milwaukee she
[18:51] doesn't, quote, legislate by a
[18:52] letter.
[18:53] Chief Norman told the press
[18:55] that he still a little confused
[18:56] about why I said mpd needs to
[18:56] get a warrant supported by
[19:00] probable cause for Al pr use,
[19:00] end quote, How a warrant would
[19:03] address a real-time situation.
[19:04] The vehicle's movements
[19:04] learning in regard to that this
[19:08] is all a public space end
[19:10] quote. I'm a little Chief
[19:12] Norman, thanks from a 4th
[19:13] Amendment perspective. The mp's
[19:13] dragnet collection of likely
[19:16] millions of images of vehicles
[19:18] and plates of people driving to
[19:18] work to church, to protests, to
[19:19] events, to medical
[19:23] appointments, to union meetings
[19:24] in this city, their store by a
[19:25] multi-billion dollar company.
[19:26] For ai ai powered searches and
[19:27] predictive analytics. It's no
[19:28] different than an officer
[19:31] standing on the corner, writing
[19:31] down plate numbers. The Fpc,
[19:33] the Common Council, the mayor
[19:36] and mpd. Please get rid of this
[19:39] dangerous contract and also
[19:39] begging you for very basic
[19:41] transparency and democracy in
[19:41] the policymaking process
[19:44] surrounding all surveillance
[19:45] tech acquisition, a commitment
[19:46] that ultimately ensures our
[19:47] community's future remains
[19:50] rooted in the consent of the
[19:53] governed. Thank you.
[20:04] The Poli in Jones.
[20:26] It probably wonder how got this
[20:27] picture right? I found a
[20:30] citizens complaint and this is
[20:33] what happened. In Waukesha
[20:35] County. I'm just going to read
[20:42] some of my. Documents from my
[20:43] This is from Lieutenant Ken
[20:43] Krause. He took Captain Panas
[20:46] and the tenant Corey Farrell.
[20:52] County Sheriff?
[20:55] So I was I was put over in a
[20:56] private parking lot. Start with
[20:56] that advise him that the
[20:59] parking lot was public property
[21:00] that a tie. I advised him that
[21:01] the parking that was not public
[21:02] property that is privately
[21:07] owned and up with open for
[21:08] public use. I'm just going to
[21:11] skip some part 2 to about 5
[21:19] Deputy Shayhorn was advised
[21:20] that he did not have a lawful
[21:21] traffic stopped us. The suspect
[21:22] cannot be compelled to provide
[21:24] his identification and it was
[21:24] not a consensual encounter
[21:27] since he activated his
[21:32] emergency lights.
[21:33] And that's crazy. Because then
[21:38] on JUNE, 11th get something
[21:39] from the captain saying my
[21:40] allegation, you allege to a
[21:41] traffic stop was conducted
[21:42] without causing arrested
[21:43] without probable cause and it
[21:45] was unfounded. I'm not going to
[21:49] be more of that. This is
[21:51] This comes from the Waukesha
[21:56] County Sheriff's. These are
[21:58] flock records. I did a citizens
[21:58] complaint and I met with being
[22:02] tracked on flock, hundreds and
[22:03] hundreds of times.
[22:05] The deputy involved at my
[22:07] lawsuit is about is the one who
[22:08] is conducting a lot of these
[22:09] searches, the lieutenant, his
[22:12] lieutenant is the one who told
[22:19] him to do it.
[22:21] 179 times on JUNE 10th I was
[22:24] arrested. MAY 4th released with
[22:27] no charges.
[22:38] And only had temporary license
[22:39] plates at the time too on MAY
[22:39] 4th, I'm just going to go to
[22:42] one of the last pages here.
[22:49] JUNE 10th.
[22:52] My license plate on my 2020 bmw
[22:55] is bb 8.24 0, 9,
[22:55] JUNE 10. The research is JUNE
[22:59] 10th researches JUNE 10th, the
[23:00] 179 searches.
[23:04] JUNE 10th, another 179
[23:07] searches.
[23:09] And you guys just think that
[23:13] you guys are just like letting
[23:15] people do this and it happened
[23:18] in Waukesha County. It happened
[23:20] here. We see it.
[23:22] You've got people in court are
[23:23] ready for it. And you guys
[23:26] still want to have this stuff.
[23:29] It's not going to happen to
[23:29] Look where the f#
[23:29] #
[23:29] #
[23:32] your son.
[23:39] I happen to him because
[23:43] he's black. That's the only
[23:46] Thank you.
[23:53] I can record a traffic stop
[23:55] my own hometown in Sussex.
[23:56] I can't file a citizens
[23:57] complaint and think that the
[24:01] process is going to go smoothly
[24:01] because there's lieutenant
[24:02] given orders to a patrol
[24:05] officer to investigate himself.
[24:10] Is that happening here? In
[24:13] Milwaukee? Is it happening?
[24:16] I know you guys are going to
[24:19] say anything.
[24:25] How much time to have left his
[24:26] 90 or 50 seconds left.
[24:30] This is my jail wrist band
[24:32] right here.
[24:33] It was a record. A f#
[24:33] #
[24:33] #
[24:33] #
[24:33] #
[24:33] #
[24:39] video on my phone. And this is
[24:40] what happens.
[24:42] At least you guys, you guys
[24:47] have dash cams. All right.
[24:54] Back to blow into happens to
[24:55] you. Jay, back the bullet to
[24:57] the happens to you. Kristie,
[24:58] back. The blue into happens to
[24:59] Merriam back. The blue into
[25:00] happens to you, Leon. Back the
[25:01] blue until it happens to you.
[25:02] Christopher, back the blue
[25:04] until it happens to you, Jeff.
[25:13] We just sitting there smirking
[25:16] like this. It's funny. No, it's
[25:16] not funny. I know it's not
[25:17] young. Got a f#
[25:17] #
[25:17] #
[25:17] #
[25:17] #
[25:17] #
[25:17] deal with
[25:20] the mental health issues that I
[25:23] have. Okay. You're out of order
[25:26] and you're out time. Yeah.
[25:47] Rachel. Ida buff.
[25:53] Good evening. Good evening,
[25:55] everybody. I'm resigned.
[25:55] Been a history professor and
[25:56] I'll be brief and I know
[25:58] there's 2 things to actually
[26:01] go together. This is a one of
[26:03] the oldest oversight
[26:05] commissions in the country,
[26:06] which is a noble and proud
[26:09] tradition because it says that
[26:10] we think the police need
[26:11] watching, but we think we
[26:13] should not let the police act
[26:15] without having citizen input
[26:19] that having citizen oversight.
[26:19] That's really important.
[26:21] The notion of public safety
[26:23] with which you are charged is
[26:26] transforming radically. We're
[26:28] at an inflection point where
[26:31] technology like flock, an ai
[26:33] threatens all of our basic
[26:34] liberties. People have been
[26:35] much more specific about the
[26:36] 4th Amendment and the various
[26:38] amendments that stakes and I'm
[26:41] going to be right now. But you
[26:44] must take seriously the notion
[26:47] that we need to be tech
[26:47] protected from the safety
[26:50] technology is not by the safety
[26:54] technology.
[26:55] They pose the
[26:57] greatest threat to what we what
[26:59] we think of as our freedom in
[27:00] this country to First Amendment
[27:01] second. That's 4th Amendment.
[27:03] All the things that protect us
[27:05] 10th amendment are being in
[27:06] for infringed upon and the
[27:07] woman he used the phrase just
[27:10] hope in. I think all the time
[27:14] now about the weird horrible
[27:17] trifecta of ai flock and
[27:18] policing and incarceration of
[27:21] our neighbors and and and
[27:22] colleagues and friends and I
[27:25] thank you to intervene in this
[27:28] deadly system.
[27:46] Started, I want to make a stay
[27:48] That's coming after me.
[27:55] Dollars. 15 minutes late start.
[27:58] 5 minute, but this is costly.
[28:05] Sure how they are, right.
[28:09] Tell you all what we want to
[28:10] hear. So I want to just put
[28:11] that out there. This is not
[28:12] democracy. This is a damp
[28:15] control situations and it
[28:18] shouldn't be.
[28:26] Regarding the flock automated
[28:26] license plate readers,
[28:29] constitutional rights, public
[28:32] safety in public trust. Good
[28:34] evening. My name is the mice's
[28:35] and I am here as a member of
[28:39] the public to to consider a
[28:41] fundamental question. What does
[28:43] public safety mean if the
[28:44] methods used to achieve?
[28:45] It undermines the right
[28:46] dignity, privacy and trust of
[28:50] the very people. Governor man
[28:51] is supposed to protect. I'm
[28:51] asking the fire and police
[28:55] commission to and the use of
[28:58] fox Safety and other automated
[28:58] license plate readers
[28:59] surveillance systems in
[29:00] Milwaukee. This is not an
[29:01] argument against public safety.
[29:02] It is an argument for public
[29:06] safety that remain accountable
[29:08] to the public. Milwaukee has
[29:08] already experienced serious
[29:10] concerns regarding the use and
[29:12] potential misuse of flock
[29:13] technology. In MARCH, members
[29:16] of the Common Council warned
[29:19] the Fpc that an officer alleged
[29:20] misuse of the technology for
[29:21] stalking system, systemic
[29:24] oversight problem, not merely
[29:25] an isolated failure. They
[29:28] specifically raised concerns
[29:29] about tracking movement
[29:31] patterns, sensitive location,
[29:33] information, inadequate or
[29:34] editing and the potential
[29:35] impact on survivors of the best
[29:35] domestic violence, journalist,
[29:37] advocates or ordinary
[29:41] residents. Daschle make a stop
[29:43] and think if a technology can
[29:43] create a searchable record
[29:46] where people travel, who they
[29:47] associate with, where they
[29:47] worship, where they seek
[29:49] medical care, where they work,
[29:50] where they protest, where they
[29:52] organize and where they spend
[29:53] their private lives. Then we
[29:55] are no longer talking about an
[29:56] ordinary camera. We are talking
[29:57] about a system capable of
[30:00] creating a digital map of human
[30:02] movement.
[30:04] And once that information is
[30:06] the question is not simply
[30:09] can't it help solve crimes?
[30:11] The question must also be who
[30:13] conservative, who can share it?
[30:15] How long does it exist? Who has
[30:18] what happens when the system
[30:19] is wrong? Artificial
[30:21] intelligence cannot replace
[30:23] human intelligence. We are
[30:24] entering an era where
[30:27] artificial intelligence is
[30:27] increasingly being used to
[30:28] interpret human activity.
[30:30] But artificial intelligence
[30:30] does not possess human
[30:34] conscious. It does not possess
[30:35] natural wisdom. It does not
[30:37] understand human dignity.
[30:38] It does not understand the
[30:40] circumstances of a person's
[30:40] life and it cannot
[30:44] independently determine what is
[30:45] morally just technology can
[30:47] identify a vehicle. It cannot
[30:49] determine a person's character.
[30:50] Technology can identify a
[30:52] pattern. It cannot determine
[30:54] whether that pattern is
[30:55] innocent. Technology can
[30:56] generate an alert. It cannot
[30:58] carry the more responsibility
[30:59] for what happens after that
[31:00] alert. That responsibility
[31:04] belongs to human beings and
[31:06] government power. We should
[31:07] never allow technology
[31:09] capability to become the
[31:10] justification for government
[31:12] authority. The fact that
[31:13] government can collect
[31:13] information does not
[31:18] automatically mean government
[31:19] Safety must include the
[31:21] flock an assist law enforcement
[31:22] in locating stolen vehicles,
[31:26] missing people as suspects and
[31:26] serious crimes. Even Mayor
[31:27] Johnson has point is the second
[31:31] says and wished the technology
[31:33] has assist investigations but
[31:35] cannot be the only measurement.
[31:38] A government program must also
[31:41] be evaluated by necessity.
[31:42] Proportionality, accuracy,
[31:42] accountability, transparency,
[31:44] constitutional compatibility
[31:46] and its effect on innocent
[31:47] people. We cannot create a
[31:48] system where everyone because
[31:49] part of a permanent
[31:52] surveillance infrastructure
[31:53] simply because some people
[31:54] commit crimes, the nsa should
[31:55] not have to surrender their
[31:57] privacy as the price of living
[32:02] in a supposedly free society.
[32:02] Right? Should not depend upon
[32:03] government convenience. Our at
[32:05] tradition recognizes
[32:07] protections against
[32:07] unreasonable government
[32:08] searches and seizures. The 4th
[32:09] Amendment is not a
[32:12] technological document. It is
[32:14] a principle it exists because
[32:16] government power must have
[32:17] boundaries. And Wisconsin's
[32:17] all constitution the clear that
[32:20] people have the right to be
[32:21] secure in their persons.
[32:22] Houses had papers and effects
[32:25] against unreasonable searches
[32:26] and seizures as technology
[32:27] changes the principle
[32:30] protecting human being should
[32:30] not become weaker. If anything,
[32:32] increasingly powerful
[32:35] technology requires a stronger,
[32:36] stronger, say bars. All right.
[32:37] Should not disappear simply
[32:39] because surveillance technology
[32:44] has become more sophisticated
[32:44] natural law and common law
[32:46] principles. I also ask this
[32:47] commission to consider
[32:50] something beyond statutes and
[32:51] policies. What is right before
[32:53] there databases, artificial
[32:54] intelligence, algorithms
[32:58] contracts and surveillance pro
[32:58] you are a time. So if you could
[33:01] briefly conclude that formed
[33:04] human beings exist, it human
[33:04] dignity, existing privacy,
[33:05] existing the right to move
[33:08] their one community without
[33:09] being treated as a perpetual
[33:10] suspect existing the moral
[33:11] principle that government
[33:14] exists to serve the people not
[33:15] to make the people subject of a
[33:15] limited governmental
[33:16] observation. Existing law
[33:17] should be an instrument of
[33:19] justice. Technology should be
[33:24] an instrument of human where
[33:25] fair, neither should become in
[33:26] issue that cannot be measure
[33:29] simply by Costa to stick.
[33:29] Trust where residents believe
[33:31] that their movements can be
[33:31] tracked and search without
[33:34] their knowledge confidence in
[33:35] government. This creases when
[33:36] residents here about his views,
[33:37] they were easily acts. Whether
[33:40] safeguards are actually working
[33:41] when government respond by
[33:43] saying we have policies.
[33:45] The next question should be who
[33:46] independently verify those
[33:47] policies are being followed.
[33:49] Milwaukee officials, their
[33:50] sales have recognized this
[33:52] problem. The Common Council
[34:05] has requested an additional
[34:10] say
[34:14] everyone. It's not about what
[34:17] about trying to dominate things
[34:20] Milwaukee official themself out
[34:21] recognizes problem. The comic
[34:25] con water crested additional
[34:27] reporting. Concern, searches
[34:27] that a Sharon audit, flags of
[34:28] runners alert, a policy
[34:31] violation user access to all
[34:32] sites. The access that tells us
[34:33] something important. The
[34:34] safeguards are not being
[34:37] developed and if the safeguards
[34:38] are still being developed,
[34:39] perhaps the civilian system
[34:39] should not continue operating,
[34:42] though. The question have
[34:42] already been
[34:45] Meryl restrictions are not the
[34:47] same as public Cox in consent.
[34:49] I recognize that the mayor
[34:50] doesn't have not propose
[34:51] significant restrictions on
[34:53] flock use, including limiting
[34:55] access, limited permissible,
[34:55] uses, create a public dash.
[34:56] We're restricting access to
[34:59] Milwaukee's that and establish
[34:59] an independent audit.
[35:01] Appreciate the movement toward
[35:02] greater com belief. But my
[35:03] concern is larger than the
[35:03] restrictions. The question is
[35:04] whether Milwaukee should
[35:07] maintain a civilian
[35:10] infrastructure at all and
[35:11] before entering another
[35:11] contract are continuing as the
[35:12] front Savannah's program that
[35:14] people should have meaningful
[35:15] participation in that decision.
[35:17] A private company should not
[35:18] determine about is a public
[35:19] surveillance. A police
[35:20] department should not be the
[35:23] only institution that term and
[35:24] surveillance and government
[35:27] should not act the public to
[35:30] trust a system simply because
[35:32] government promises oversee
[35:33] self trust requires
[35:34] verification. Cancel the
[35:36] contract, then have the public
[35:37] conference. A conversation.
[35:38] The city already has a
[35:39] documented history of debate
[35:41] over to flock contract. And
[35:41] this renew the contract.
[35:42] The current contract is
[35:45] therefore an opportunity to
[35:46] establish a new principal
[35:46] public safety technology should
[35:49] require public accountability
[35:51] before public deployment.
[35:53] I'm asking the fire Chief Fire
[35:54] Police commission and more can
[35:57] come a costly and the CDs flock
[35:59] safety contract and discontinue
[36:01] fought alpr surveillance,
[36:01] reject the assumption that
[36:02] replace and wants a vote on
[36:03] policy with what with the
[36:06] letter automatically solve the
[36:07] underlying problem, evaluate
[36:08] automatic license plate reader
[36:09] technology, not merely flock,
[36:10] required meaningful community
[36:12] participates before any future
[36:14] surveillance technology is
[36:15] adopted, require independent,
[36:19] not near the internal oversight
[36:21] of any surveillance technology
[36:22] require transparency regarding
[36:28] access. Sharon searches air
[36:29] Stop was a foreseeable
[36:30] consequence were on authorized
[36:31] the roads or misuse protect
[36:33] vulnerable populations,
[36:34] including survivors of domestic
[36:35] violence activists, Donovan
[36:36] journalist imprisoned people
[36:39] exercise their constitutional
[36:40] rights require a demonstration
[36:42] that the technologies necessary
[36:43] and proportionate before
[36:43] government collect information
[36:46] about people who are not
[36:47] suspected of rep
[36:49] wrong door. Prioritize human
[36:50] intelligence community
[36:52] relationship restored to
[36:54] approaches and traditional
[36:54] investigative methods over
[36:57] indiscriminate technological
[36:59] collection. Whenever those
[36:59] methods can accomplish the
[37:01] legitimate public safety
[37:02] objective. The question before
[37:04] us, ultimately, this is not
[37:06] about whether Flock is a good
[37:08] company, is not even primary
[37:09] about whether flock cameras
[37:11] sometimes help Ollie's. The
[37:13] question is what kind of
[37:13] society are we building are
[37:14] rebuild the community for
[37:16] government work with the
[37:18] people. Where are we build a
[37:18] few minutes where the people
[37:19] most commonly prove that they
[37:20] are innocent while government
[37:23] continuously collects
[37:24] information about them. Are we
[37:25] using artificial intelligence
[37:27] to enhance human judgment or
[37:29] are we gradually allow
[37:30] technology replace? Just me.
[37:33] Are we creating safety through
[37:34] traffic or recreate complies?
[37:35] Do surveillance? I believe
[37:36] Milwaukee can do better.
[37:37] We can create a model public
[37:39] safety and uses intelligence
[37:42] without sacrificing with them.
[37:44] Technology without sacrificing
[37:44] humanity. Accountability
[37:46] without sacrificing security.
[37:48] Without sacrificing being the
[37:51] tea public safety and human
[37:53] rights should not be enemies.
[37:54] They should be partners.
[37:55] And of technology cannot upper
[37:56] operate without plays. A
[37:59] fundamental rights and public
[38:00] there perhaps the most
[38:03] intelligent use of technology
[38:05] respectfully ask the fire and
[38:06] police commission to listen to
[38:07] the people and flocks of rose
[38:08] in Milwaukee and help us.
[38:11] That was a standard where human
[38:12] dignity, not technological
[38:12] capability of the highs measure
[38:15] of public safety. And we thank
[38:18] you.
[38:44] Director how much time was
[38:46] and 30 seconds. Art? I did stop
[38:48] the clock, but it was well over
[38:53] 10 minutes at 9.15, minutes.
[38:54] Know you can see juror time
[39:01] over. It was 10 minutes.
[39:04] I'm speaking okay. I've got
[39:06] the mic.
[39:09] If we started out this meeting
[39:11] saying it to get 5 minutes, if
[39:12] you want to see juror time
[39:15] over, Robert's rules allows you
[39:18] to do that.
[39:19] But we need to track that.
[39:29] So a number of you said, hey,
[39:34] incident. Okay. So that we want
[39:37] but in order for us. To have
[39:38] respect for one another.
[39:39] In in this. This is not
[39:41] necessarily a dialogue that
[39:43] we're having. You come hearing,
[39:46] you speak your mind. Maybe we
[39:48] should have a different form
[39:50] format so that we could have a
[39:52] dialogue. But this is not this
[39:55] is not a dialogue. I'm sorry.
[40:00] So you get 5, you get excuse
[40:04] we you know what we can talk
[40:07] about how to accommodate a
[40:11] okay, but okay. But I'm just
[40:15] telling you in order for us to
[40:16] We have to adhere. To the rules
[40:19] that we've established year.
[40:25] That's all. That's all we're
[40:26] saying. So be respectful.
[40:27] We try to be respectful of you.
[40:31] Be respectful of us. Thank you.
[40:38] And you can talk to me
[40:41] afterwards. If you'd like.
[40:42] The commissioners are trying to
[40:44] be respectful and give
[40:46] everybody an opportunity to
[40:48] speak. That's part of the
[40:49] reason why individual Time's
[40:52] Limited to 5 minutes. I would
[40:53] ask that people be respectful
[40:56] of not. That does allow
[40:59] everybody to have a voice.
[41:00] Many people as possible and
[41:04] individual opinions, which is
[41:10] also very important.
[41:12] People will know. I think that
[41:13] this doesn't need to be said
[41:15] because we just had an example
[41:18] of someone flouting the rules.
[41:20] That does not is not conducive
[41:21] everybody has an opportunity to
[41:24] speak, which is what we
[41:25] ultimately want.
[41:32] The next individuals. Angela
[41:38] That last beautiful, amazing
[41:38] speech. But I will keep it
[41:39] brief because there's a lot
[41:41] more billion people in this
[41:41] room. Money and we all have
[41:45] heard the same things time and
[41:45] time again. So first, I want to
[41:47] say thank you, commissioners.
[41:48] I know you understand and sense
[41:50] the thickness and the
[41:51] frustration and the air and I
[41:53] hope you understand it as a
[41:54] reflection of the passion in
[41:54] this community and how we feel
[41:58] about keeping our community
[41:59] safe. Honestly, I was driving
[42:04] here and yet again, I'm tired.
[42:05] I'm tired of being here.
[42:05] I'm tired of being it is not
[42:06] the first time I sat in front
[42:07] of you all to talk about
[42:12] surveillance, whether it's fr
[42:14] t. Flock cameras. Police
[42:15] chases. It's not the first time
[42:17] I got it. Thanks to a mother's
[42:21] the night. I'm tired, but I'm
[42:22] encouraged. By this crowd.
[42:25] I'm encouraged by the overflow
[42:30] room.
[42:31] Our concerns are valid.
[42:31] And I think sometimes it
[42:33] doesn't feel that they actually
[42:37] are giving comments from the
[42:39] police chief.
[42:42] Just this morning, many of us
[42:43] became aware of how flock
[42:44] cameras have top cops, how to
[42:47] surveil things like no Kings
[42:50] protest.
[42:53] Small parades 4th of JULY.
[42:54] Fireworks even bike races.
[42:56] Pretty sure folks have said
[42:57] that these are supposed to
[42:59] catch violent criminals and
[43:00] missing kids. Why the f#
[43:00] #
[43:00] #
[43:04] are
[43:04] we surveilling bike rides.
[43:07] Why are we surveilling? No
[43:10] Kings. Protesters. Curious
[43:12] rhetorical question. Cancel the
[43:15] contract immediately. Point
[43:16] blank period. You know what?
[43:17] I'll even give you a bone.
[43:17] It's okay to say we tried
[43:18] something in a didn't work.
[43:20] We heard from the community
[43:23] were pulling back. I would
[43:24] respect that more. Then the
[43:24] b#
[43:24] #
[43:24] #
[43:24] #
[43:24] #
[43:24] #
[43:25] #
[43:25] coming out, the
[43:28] mayor's office and out to norm
[43:29] is about. The latest. Try to be
[43:31] like, Oh, we're gonna we're
[43:32] gonna have parameters. We
[43:33] listen to the community and let
[43:35] me let me give you an exact
[43:36] quote that I looked up from
[43:39] Chief Norman quo. I hope that
[43:39] our community is being
[43:41] appreciative that we are
[43:43] listening in leading into this
[43:44] moment and that they see this
[43:47] as a thoughtful action on the
[43:50] part of mpd.
[43:52] It's not is dangerous is
[43:52] disingenuous. It's
[43:55] disrespectful and it's
[43:58] offensive.
[44:02] It is offensive to the
[44:03] intelligence of the Milwaukee
[44:04] community to think that there
[44:05] could be these backdoor deals.
[44:09] And, you know, we're just going
[44:09] to add parameters. Knowing d#
[44:09] #
[44:10] #
[44:13] well, you are using this for
[44:14] d#
[44:14] #
[44:14] #
[44:14] well, police.
[44:15] Former police officers have
[44:16] been caught using this
[44:18] technology for personal reasons
[44:21] to surveil women. And their
[44:24] partners. That is violence.
[44:28] Name of public safety when you
[44:30] are abusing and weaponizing
[44:32] the technology in a way to be
[44:34] violent but saying it will stop
[44:35] violence, make it make the fox
[44:35] and I'm sorry, I'm tired.
[44:38] You're going hear some colorful
[44:42] language tonight.
[44:44] The police chief said we're
[44:44] listening and we're leading in.
[44:45] We hope that they understand
[44:49] the community understand that
[44:50] we're trying. If you're truly
[44:56] listening, you cancel this
[44:59] Not even just tonight.
[45:02] Police chief and the mayor were
[45:06] listening. Have a town hall.
[45:07] I challenge you all 2 and I
[45:08] love this is a one-way
[45:09] conversation. I can say
[45:10] whatever I want, y'all got to
[45:10] take it. And sometimes I like
[45:12] that. But I want to hear got
[45:16] to say. Let's have a dialogue.
[45:17] So I challenge his body.
[45:17] To have a dialogue. So when the
[45:18] police chief says all were
[45:24] listening to the community.
[45:26] If you want an ally.
[45:28] Is he engaging? He comes to
[45:29] the bloc office did come to
[45:31] the Turner that come to the
[45:32] aclu and all the many groups
[45:32] that are represented here and
[45:33] say, hey, I want to be a
[45:34] community, a relationship with
[45:36] you all. I want to figure this
[45:40] out together.
[45:41] Even called him either, ok,
[45:43] challenges body because there's
[45:44] not enough time in the world on
[45:47] a Thursday night to talk about
[45:50] this post. It. But here we are
[45:50] time and time again. And I ask
[45:53] you one, cancel a contract
[45:56] point blank period.
[45:56] And 2, if you want further
[45:57] discussions, I challenge you
[45:59] all to meet us in the community
[46:01] on the north side of Milwaukee,
[46:02] in the black community, on the
[46:03] south side, on the Latino
[46:05] community and have these
[46:06] conversations because
[46:08] respectfully, y'all get to sit
[46:09] behind these desks and you get
[46:14] to go home at the end of the
[46:15] And yet we're here organizing,
[46:16] strategize and into the wee
[46:16] hours having these
[46:19] conversations. I want to hear
[46:20] from you all.
[46:23] Just have to sit here and take
[46:24] whatever we say.
[46:25] I want to hear what you ought
[46:26] to say. So cancel a contract
[46:28] and I'll be looking for email
[46:28] to schedule the next actual
[46:29] town hall. I can hear from you
[46:32] all and where you all stand.
[46:51] Dorky.
[46:59] Good evening. Good evening.
[47:02] Commissioners.
[47:03] So my name is Nicholas second.
[47:05] Mascaras ration cordinator at
[47:06] the Milwaukee Turner's. I would
[47:10] like to start by Sam regulating
[47:10] flock will not work. We've seen
[47:11] officers across the country
[47:13] with walk, get arrested from
[47:13] issues in this technology.
[47:16] So even the threat of arrest
[47:17] isn't working.
[47:20] Now we have a 3rd officer in
[47:21] Milwaukee under investigation
[47:22] who reported that no outside
[47:23] agencies will have access to
[47:25] fly under the mayor's plan.
[47:29] In other words, outside
[47:30] organizations previously had
[47:32] access to Milwaukee, 5, beta
[47:34] up. And so the mayor did the
[47:36] overhaul. And this is after
[47:38] and pd added regulations.
[47:38] How do we know whether the
[47:40] share data made it to the
[47:44] federal government? Who was a
[47:45] share with it? Fusion controls,
[47:46] access to flock cameras and
[47:47] a fusion center is literally an
[47:49] agreement based on data sharing
[47:51] with the federal government.
[47:51] How can we ever know or monitor
[47:55] they share data with them in
[47:56] their back door meetings, the
[47:57] High Intensity Drug Task Force
[47:58] Agency also has a data sharing
[48:00] agreement with the federal
[48:01] government. If we can't trust
[48:03] the police not to stock their
[48:03] go, France under the threat
[48:06] of a rest, how can we trust
[48:07] them to protect our data?
[48:08] The mayor did not report
[48:09] consulting with the community
[48:11] at all. Only law enforcement.
[48:12] I don't understand why law
[48:13] enforcement takes precedent
[48:14] over the people where law
[48:17] enforcement is supposed to
[48:18] serve the people and the where
[48:20] serve seems to be in name only.
[48:21] So what is the true objective
[48:23] of policing in the majority
[48:25] non-white cd like Milwaukee?
[48:27] Is it just control of the
[48:29] people who leads have deemed
[48:30] undesirable? The black
[48:31] community have suffer under
[48:33] police Slate catches and
[48:34] everything but a positive force
[48:36] in our communities as well as
[48:38] Latino community suffering
[48:38] under a similar function
[48:39] because immigration enforcement
[48:40] in this lake catching system
[48:43] have some striking parallels.
[48:45] Both communities fear speaking
[48:46] out against police because of
[48:48] historical injustices and fear
[48:50] retaliation. Do these cameras
[48:51] help these communities feel
[48:52] safe, speaking out against
[48:53] injustice or do they further
[48:55] suppress their freedom of
[48:56] expression? We know it's the
[48:57] latter. As a matter of fact
[49:00] and nothing much to my brother
[49:02] over here.
[49:04] Nonwhite military veteran in
[49:05] Sussex was tracked by Flock
[49:07] cameras after following a
[49:07] lawsuit against the sheriff's
[49:09] department for arresting him
[49:10] for exercising his First
[49:11] Amendment right. Law
[49:13] enforcement is using flock to
[49:14] actively retaliate against
[49:15] citizens for expressing their
[49:19] First Amendment rights and not
[49:19] even serving this country.
[49:21] Has the United States armed
[49:22] forces veteran can save you
[49:25] from over police and the police
[49:26] claim to want to improve
[49:28] community police relations.
[49:29] But they are dead set on spying
[49:30] on Milwaukee residents and then
[49:30] ignoring the community when
[49:33] they express that they value
[49:35] their right to privacy. This
[49:36] directly contradicts the stated
[49:37] aim, considered the
[49:38] psychological effects of mass
[49:40] surveillance with flock as a
[49:41] major tool in the Arsenal.
[49:44] Studies show that mass
[49:47] surveillance causes heightened
[49:48] anxiety, self-censorship loss
[49:49] of control, hypervigilance
[49:52] paranoia. Mass surveillance can
[49:54] also exacerbate existing mental
[49:55] health issues. That being said
[49:57] policy needs to be data driven
[49:59] and data certainly shows that
[50:00] flock cameras are bad. Fox
[50:01] Society, some asking the fire
[50:03] and police commission to work
[50:04] with the Common Council and the
[50:06] mayor to end the contract with
[50:07] Flock is not using all of their
[50:08] automated license plate,
[50:10] reading technology outside of
[50:10] Flock. Thank you for listen.
[50:13] I know that you cannot respond
[50:16] at this time.
[50:30] Samuel Myers.
[50:52] Mary j Kenneth. So that Ariel
[50:55] Winter.
[51:08] Commissioners, my name is Ariel
[51:09] Winter. I live in the fox 4th
[51:10] Aldermanic District. I worked
[51:12] for the aclu and like many here
[51:14] tonight. I am here once again
[51:16] to express my concern with the
[51:17] current mpd fox contract and
[51:20] any future contract for Ale are
[51:21] p technology.
[51:23] Here's a list of all the misuse
[51:25] of flock Quitman across the
[51:27] state of Wisconsin and no
[51:28] particular order. I-94 was shut
[51:31] down. And Amber new well was
[51:33] pulled over at gunpoint with
[51:34] their daughter in the car
[51:35] because Milwaukee police failed
[51:36] to remove a wanted vehicle
[51:39] alert from the system after it
[51:41] already been investigated.
[51:42] She has since lost 2 jobs from
[51:42] this incident and her and her
[51:45] daughter have been left
[51:46] traumatized.
[51:47] In Milwaukee. 2 separate
[51:49] officers have been accused of
[51:52] misusing technology in order to
[51:53] break the law in JULY. Criminal
[51:56] charges were filed against a
[51:57] mpd internal affairs Detective
[51:58] Chapman who allegedly used
[52:00] blocks a lower p technology
[52:01] system to track to individuals,
[52:04] locations, a total of 20 times
[52:05] over the course of one year
[52:05] arrange a slate. This internal
[52:09] affairs detective was entrusted
[52:12] with investigating. Another
[52:13] officer was Allah for using
[52:16] flock to stock a romantic
[52:16] partner and his ex nearly 200
[52:17] times. And now a 3rd invest
[52:20] officers being investigated.
[52:23] And then Sean officer gets jail
[52:25] probation for misusing flock
[52:27] camera system. According to a
[52:28] Washington Post, Mensch Officer
[52:29] Christian Morales use flock to
[52:30] check whether his then
[52:31] girlfriend had gone to a clinic
[52:33] to seek the potential
[52:34] termination of pregnancy.
[52:36] According to an affidavit from
[52:37] an investigating officer with
[52:38] another police department
[52:41] seeking to subpoena flock for
[52:44] records requests and Waukesha,
[52:45] U.S. Navy veteran Napoleon
[52:46] Jones who is here tonight was
[52:47] searched a fog over 100 times
[52:50] after he lawfully recorded a
[52:51] traffic stop. He served his
[52:51] country and now he is being
[52:54] surveilled in his own country.
[52:58] Destruct, disrespectful and
[53:00] disgusting.
[53:02] Kenosha, a former Kenosha
[53:03] County deputy faces 2 felony
[53:04] counts after prosecutors said
[53:04] he misused truck network to
[53:07] track his then girlfriend while
[53:08] off duty. Greenfield. This is
[53:09] not related flex specifically,
[53:13] but another camera surveillance
[53:14] just is why we should not
[53:14] except any b#
[53:14] #
[53:14] #
[53:15] #
[53:15] #
[53:17] whether its
[53:19] flock axon, any of them.
[53:21] Johnson, the chief of the
[53:23] Greenfield Police Department is
[53:26] facing felony misconduct in
[53:27] office for charges while in
[53:28] starting a installing a
[53:29] department on pole camera on
[53:32] his property during a divorce.
[53:35] Case, anyone's been counting.
[53:35] That has been 7 ce 7 instances
[53:36] of misuse and that is 7
[53:39] instances that we only know
[53:42] what's and Wisconsin census
[53:46] to summer. Appleton, Ashlynn
[53:50] Fitchburg Grand Chute. Kenosha
[53:51] Con a uw-Madison please.
[53:53] Mcfarland marionette man
[53:55] Sheboygan Stone and Surgeon Bay
[53:58] Verona and Racine have taken
[53:58] steps. Iran did. Their flock
[53:59] contracts should also know a
[54:01] lot of these. I feel like have
[54:02] also signed the contract after
[54:04] Milwaukee pd initially signed.
[54:05] There's and have canceled
[54:06] theirs. And the time that we
[54:08] have been fighting to cancel
[54:11] parts.
[54:16] James Lewis, Milwaukee pd is
[54:17] risk manager admitted that they
[54:19] did not have the necessary
[54:20] guardrails in place after 2
[54:21] Milwaukee police officers were
[54:23] charged with misuse of
[54:24] technology. And now mpd has put
[54:25] a considerable amount of time
[54:26] and resources into developing
[54:30] a new audit process to identify
[54:31] and says of Waukee a officers
[54:32] using flock for inappropriate
[54:33] reasons like stalking romantic
[54:34] partners. I can appreciate the
[54:37] steps being taken now. But if
[54:37] you asked me a 25 year-old
[54:41] woman, if I was surprised this
[54:44] happened, I would tell you this
[54:45] was bound to happen. What?
[54:47] But those scenarios are also
[54:48] not the totality of the danger
[54:49] posed by flock that need to
[54:52] be audited. What is the process
[54:53] for auditing out of date or run
[54:55] us information like the case of
[54:57] Amber Newell who and I cannot
[54:58] say this enough was put in a
[55:00] dangerous situation at gunpoint
[55:01] with her daughter in the car
[55:02] because of a lack of data
[55:05] integrity within the Milwaukee
[55:07] Police Department, Colorado
[55:08] police officer was wrongly
[55:10] accused of wrongly accused a
[55:11] woman of theft based on a false
[55:14] flock hit. An Arkansas woman or
[55:14] child were held at gunpoint.
[55:15] Sounds familiar lrp cameras
[55:18] wrongly flick, their car
[55:20] stolen.
[55:22] On JULY 11, the Los Angeles
[55:22] Police Department, the 3rd
[55:24] largest police force in the
[55:26] U.S. Allowed its contract with
[55:26] flock to expire and the la pd
[55:28] deactivated all their flock
[55:29] cameras. The decision followed
[55:31] an internal audit by lapd and
[55:34] journalist Inspector general
[55:36] which found that lapd and
[55:37] investigated 161 car owners
[55:37] whose vehicles were wrongly
[55:41] identified as stolen by Flock.
[55:44] A study close to 1500 flock
[55:45] cameras report in Roseville,
[55:46] California found that the
[55:47] cameras failed to detect
[55:50] license plate. 71 1% of the
[55:52] time.
[55:53] What we're trying to build with
[55:54] this is additional safeguards.
[55:55] Additional guardrails to show
[55:56] accountability to the public
[55:59] said James Lewis amputees risk
[56:01] manager.
[56:02] That framework already exists.
[56:03] We've been telling you exist.
[56:04] It's been caught. See, cops is
[56:06] called community control over
[56:07] police surveillance. In
[56:09] addition to ending the standard
[56:10] spot contract at the bare
[56:11] minimum, a framework is needed
[56:13] for Milwaukee residents and the
[56:14] Common Council to have the
[56:16] ability to approve an audit
[56:18] existing or proposed
[56:19] surveillance tools. That's the
[56:20] accountability who are in a
[56:22] sense have been asking for.
[56:25] Thank you. Thank you.
[56:36] Meghan Keyes.
[56:48] Good evening. My name is Megan
[56:49] and I've been a city of
[56:53] Milwaukee resident for 15 years
[56:55] and also pretty active in the
[56:56] district 3, but the Aldermanic
[56:59] district 3 has a neighborhood
[57:00] leader and I try to attend all
[57:01] the town Try to take the
[57:03] minutes for the aldermen as
[57:04] well. There's been so many
[57:07] important comments given
[57:08] tonight by the public. And I
[57:09] think sometimes we all think
[57:10] like our voice does not matter.
[57:13] But I think the collective
[57:14] voice of all of us together
[57:15] does is important. And we
[57:18] should all try to overcome our
[57:19] own fears and anxieties of
[57:21] speaking up. These are however
[57:21] intimidating. It MAY feel
[57:24] because it is important for all
[57:25] of us to speak.
[57:28] Automatic license plate readers
[57:29] are being used to track our
[57:30] movements, Spider Communities
[57:31] and compile detailed databases
[57:35] on everywhere. We travel and
[57:36] our vehicles. I'm not an expert
[57:39] on these things. And I've been
[57:41] learning a lot more as we go.
[57:44] But that data doesn't just stay
[57:44] in one place. It's being shared
[57:48] directly and indirectly with
[57:50] other agencies. Whether or not
[57:51] we're told it's not being
[57:51] shared it. The infrastructure
[57:55] is there for it to be shared
[57:55] and we don't really have like
[57:56] people have been saying the
[57:57] guardrails to tell where and
[58:01] what that information is being
[58:02] used for. It's also been abused
[58:05] and misused as we just heard
[58:08] all of the examples. Also them
[58:10] one of the biggest concerns for
[58:11] me is that the mpd has been
[58:16] quietly entering these no-bid
[58:17] contracts as I believe, Amelia
[58:19] was sharing more of the
[58:20] intricacies of that, but
[58:20] bypassing the Common Council's
[58:23] approval and not having the
[58:26] community give there their
[58:28] input. Not to mention all of
[58:28] the amount of money being spent
[58:31] on all of these surveillance
[58:33] technology contracts. I think
[58:33] we hear a lot that the mpd is
[58:36] frequently complaining of not
[58:39] having enough money. I was
[58:40] recently at
[58:40] the East Side Public Safety
[58:44] Town hall. I believe you were
[58:45] there as well. I'm hearing a
[58:47] lot about how more money for
[58:48] hiring and things like that
[58:50] and the millions of dollars
[58:51] being spent on this that the
[58:54] public does not want. I feel
[58:55] like there's money there.
[58:56] So the commission, this
[58:57] commission and the Common
[58:58] Council and the mayor have the
[59:00] power to help protect us from
[59:01] this extreme level of
[59:07] surveillance in violation of
[59:08] our rights. The asa aclu has
[59:08] regulations recommended some
[59:12] just going to read those as
[59:14] I agree with them. So we need
[59:17] the eu and the entire city to
[59:19] create the strict regulations
[59:19] of limiting data retention to
[59:22] hours or days, not weeks or a
[59:22] month or more. Obviously the
[59:26] main goal would be to get rid
[59:29] of this in general. But also
[59:30] limiting data sharing by
[59:30] sharing by prohibiting local
[59:33] law enforcement from providing
[59:37] access to any other government
[59:38] entity limiting usage to felony
[59:40] investigations, missing persons
[59:41] cases identifying unregistered
[59:42] uninsured vehicles and certain
[59:46] limited not enforcement
[59:47] scenarios.
[59:48] That situation on the highway
[59:51] with the woman. Brookfield is
[59:53] just terrifying. And I know
[59:54] people of color are fearful
[59:58] all the time of being pulled
[59:59] over. But that was just so
[59:59] extreme. I think it all made us
[1:00:03] feel something when we saw
[1:00:04] that. And like they were saying
[1:00:05] like you don't really think
[1:00:09] of the after effects losing
[1:00:11] your job. I actually was a
[1:00:12] special ed teacher and a
[1:00:13] vocational councilor Dai work
[1:00:15] with people trying to return to
[1:00:17] work after traumatic incidents
[1:00:18] and there's more to it than
[1:00:19] just like, oops, we made a
[1:00:20] mistake. Sorry, like this is
[1:00:24] actually people's lives that
[1:00:25] we are impacting and then
[1:00:26] requiring annual usage
[1:00:29] reporting and placing limits on
[1:00:32] the availability of these
[1:00:33] surveillance technologies.
[1:00:34] Again, I'm not an expert, but I
[1:00:36] do think it's important for all
[1:00:40] of us to continue putting the
[1:00:42] pressure on the city for doing
[1:00:43] what is right and not just
[1:00:46] giving into these contracts and
[1:00:46] spending all this money.
[1:00:49] These cameras are collecting
[1:00:49] sensitive data that could be
[1:00:53] used to violate our It is
[1:00:53] violating our rights. You the
[1:00:55] mpd, the Common Council and the
[1:00:57] mayor must act now to ban flock
[1:00:59] and stop its use immediately.
[1:01:01] And if you're not going to do
[1:01:02] that, do that at least put
[1:01:03] actual real protections in and
[1:01:06] not just kind of fluff
[1:01:10] statements. Thank you.
[1:01:31] Good evening. My name is Marie
[1:01:33] speaking on behalf of those
[1:01:35] consummate some civic lines.
[1:01:37] I'm here today to ask city of
[1:01:38] Milwaukee. Officials tend the
[1:01:39] city's contract with flock.
[1:01:41] What flocking other automatic
[1:01:41] license plate readers while the
[1:01:44] reforms announced by the city
[1:01:45] are step in the right
[1:01:47] direction, pr companies like
[1:01:48] flocks our communities and
[1:01:50] violate the privacy of everyday
[1:01:52] citizens. We haven't members.
[1:01:53] We've seen members of the
[1:01:53] police misuse this technology
[1:01:57] by Stocking x's and romantic
[1:01:58] partners. Flock cameras have
[1:02:00] been used to track protesters
[1:02:01] and terrorize immigrant
[1:02:02] communities, automatic license
[1:02:04] plate readers can track and
[1:02:05] monitor every detail and
[1:02:06] movements of a person's life
[1:02:08] such as whether they are
[1:02:08] attending a house of worship
[1:02:09] where they buy groceries.
[1:02:12] And if they are attending a
[1:02:13] protest.
[1:02:16] The use of flock cameras poses
[1:02:16] serious risks to immigrant and
[1:02:17] other marginalized communities
[1:02:18] who historically been victims
[1:02:21] of warrantless surveillance
[1:02:21] justified in Islamophobia.
[1:02:22] And the notion that particular
[1:02:25] communities constitute a threat
[1:02:26] more than others.
[1:02:27] Law enforcement should not be
[1:02:28] able to search for a location
[1:02:30] information without first
[1:02:32] obtaining a warrant. The usage
[1:02:32] of flock cameras is
[1:02:35] particularly concerning at this
[1:02:35] moment in time were anti Muslim
[1:02:38] rhetoric is at an all-time
[1:02:39] high.
[1:02:40] Putting the Muslim community at
[1:02:41] an increased risk of misuse of
[1:02:42] surveillance technology by any
[1:02:46] bad actors in law enforcement.
[1:02:47] Danczuk power that block
[1:02:49] technology gives to the
[1:02:49] government poses a serious
[1:02:51] threat to our communities,
[1:02:52] privacy and freedom of
[1:02:53] movement. Please take action.
[1:02:53] And the city of Milwaukee is
[1:02:54] contract with flock and any
[1:02:57] other alpr company. Thank you.
[1:03:41] Of flock cameras are meant to
[1:03:43] protect us. I think you're
[1:03:44] equating surveillance with
[1:03:45] protection. Not a single person
[1:03:47] here. Feel safer. Being watched
[1:03:48] every second. And I bet you
[1:03:49] wouldn't feel safe there.
[1:03:51] The flock cameras outside of
[1:03:52] your house. We're training our
[1:03:53] civil liberties, first-let's
[1:03:55] safety and more intrusion into
[1:03:55] our lives. We've already had
[1:03:59] 2 abuses with flock flocked
[1:04:00] by officers. The Sheboygan
[1:04:01] mayor clues accuse Flock of
[1:04:02] violating their contract and
[1:04:04] abusing their own citizens.
[1:04:06] It's Milwaukee waiting for a
[1:04:07] violation. Before we end these
[1:04:08] contracts. Are we waiting to we
[1:04:10] mess up more and more and more
[1:04:12] until we can enough anymore.
[1:04:14] All you change that the
[1:04:17] supervisors cannot violate our
[1:04:18] privacy, not just any cup.
[1:04:19] How much is the public supposed
[1:04:20] to take before? It's too much.
[1:04:23] We expect leaders in positions
[1:04:24] of power to lead us. Do your
[1:04:24] job to listen to the public,
[1:04:27] get rid of these cameras
[1:04:30] forever.
[1:04:59] Need to be say so they don't
[1:05:00] are okay with the fact they
[1:05:04] don't k with the issue to all
[1:05:06] I'm here. Just as a resident.
[1:05:06] I have some written him off
[1:05:09] all, but I was I they don't
[1:05:09] already say it all day. So as
[1:05:13] a resident of the city, I grew
[1:05:14] up here, I raise my kids here
[1:05:15] and I still live here. I
[1:05:18] thought about leaving this city
[1:05:21] all because of elected official
[1:05:21] that my taxpayer dollars
[1:05:22] constantly give us the
[1:05:25] taxpayer. They behind the kids
[1:05:26] and we got tired. Okay, y'all
[1:05:29] cape his people off and indeed
[1:05:31] they had
[1:05:32] a response. The anger in his
[1:05:38] Rome. This is right as justice.
[1:05:38] That day, but they I know want
[1:05:40] to have I'll have to pay taxes.
[1:05:42] Job want to do. But that is
[1:05:46] never going to come. You see
[1:05:46] what I'm saying taxpayer
[1:05:50] dollars pay every last one of
[1:05:51] here. Y'all elected officials,
[1:05:56] whether Yarmouk to or not the
[1:05:56] mayor is now as for our boat
[1:05:57] and all acts for our money and
[1:06:00] all turn around and give a shot
[1:06:02] behind case every time we
[1:06:10] tailed all, we don't call
[1:06:13] is getting shorter and shorter.
[1:06:14] We got to work just like all
[1:06:15] week, locking and not a fight
[1:06:18] just like y'all. But when y'all
[1:06:21] direct deposit hit, that's our
[1:06:22] money. That page all much.
[1:06:23] It can be sure. But guess what,
[1:06:24] y'all never going to be short
[1:06:27] because our taxpayers don't
[1:06:28] pay doll. So y'all probably
[1:06:29] I got to worry about if y'all
[1:06:31] don't pay rent a bag,
[1:06:32] groceries, a lot of us do.
[1:06:36] We are here in the treaties
[1:06:38] and every time we look up,
[1:06:41] with bs on a platter with a
[1:06:46] smile.
[1:06:55] And then as budget season.
[1:07:00] The cameras. So y'all took our
[1:07:01] money. And y'all say we don't
[1:07:02] do this, even though that the
[1:07:02] people who pay for don't want
[1:07:05] me. What's it? Does that make?
[1:07:08] He is credit card and do what
[1:07:11] they want to do with it with no
[1:07:13] consequence.
[1:07:17] What they want to do. And all
[1:07:20] Guess what the city is our
[1:07:21] house and we tell y'all that
[1:07:25] this is our house and we all
[1:07:26] use our money to do what I want
[1:07:27] to do in our house. And we
[1:07:28] telling y'all we don't want to,
[1:07:29] I think come and they'll want
[1:07:32] to know how to do it. I want
[1:07:35] to do y'all don't enforce
[1:07:36] about here. Ya. Go. Enforce
[1:07:38] consequences. So that's what
[1:07:39] we're doing today. We have 40
[1:07:42] taking our money. If you want,
[1:07:45] I want to go away.
[1:07:52] And I see a shorter because now
[1:07:57] when it comes to $1000.
[1:08:06] Pete, Real or not.
[1:08:07] Some don't cut me off day.
[1:08:10] But this is real life that that
[1:08:10] we got to deal with
[1:08:11] shrinkflation inflation should
[1:08:15] bring stress. We stressed out
[1:08:18] Okay. We got to deal with these
[1:08:19] kids out here. Welcome to talk
[1:08:21] about some guess what class.
[1:08:25] We want to put brought Now.
[1:08:27] You want to watch me to.
[1:08:29] To give us the right dog.
[1:08:32] Got to be like a cat and give
[1:08:36] That's all we ask in got is
[1:08:38] here. The
[1:08:40] can't take our taxpayer dollars
[1:08:44] and he did do, which I want
[1:08:48] to do. If that's the case,
[1:08:52] Listen to other people.
[1:08:59] Know the county do not what he
[1:09:05] said. It's not about 156,000
[1:09:14] sidewalk in county who begging
[1:09:19] I me my mine moment. But what?
[1:09:22] The county's they begin.
[1:09:25] People. We keep telling all we
[1:09:31] I got McDonald like.
[1:09:32] Have people telling y'all we
[1:09:35] ain't got Mac Donald's money.
[1:09:38] Okay.
[1:09:42] And what the tax payer is
[1:09:45] it. We say we don't want these.
[1:09:48] Any of you do not have hard to
[1:09:49] do the right things that down
[1:09:58] and let somebody else do it.
[1:10:03] Baby Ali, not out of the House
[1:10:05] the House and home. You are a
[1:10:06] time. So if you could briefly
[1:10:12] conclude, ok, that's all I have
[1:10:37] Good evening. Good evening,
[1:10:38] everyone. Thanks for taking the
[1:10:41] time to hear public comment
[1:10:42] tonight.
[1:10:42] My name is Patrick Olsen.
[1:10:46] I've lived in Milwaukee for
[1:10:47] 13 years. A chemist and an msu
[1:10:48] alumnus. I've never come to a
[1:10:50] town hall before, but I care
[1:10:50] about our city and our
[1:10:51] communities too much to let
[1:10:54] this issue go unchallenged.
[1:10:56] Flock cameras are a violation
[1:10:57] of her civil rights and a
[1:10:59] national disgrace. They make me
[1:11:00] feel less safe. And despite
[1:11:00] what flocks representatives
[1:11:03] are paid to say, they make all
[1:11:03] of us less safe, the database
[1:11:04] that they build on us creates
[1:11:06] vulnerability where none would
[1:11:10] otherwise exist. And it's a
[1:11:10] public safety issue. I'm here
[1:11:11] to demand that the city of
[1:11:15] Milwaukee canceled its contract
[1:11:15] with Flock. And that no
[1:11:16] replacement contracts are made
[1:11:17] with another lp provider like
[1:11:18] Axon to install virtually the
[1:11:21] same kinds of products in
[1:11:23] flocks absence.
[1:11:25] The power to watching collect
[1:11:25] information on every single
[1:11:26] person. 24 hours a day is not
[1:11:28] something that can merely be
[1:11:29] mitigated with better
[1:11:30] guardrails. This power simply
[1:11:31] shouldn't exist. Not a single
[1:11:35] person can be trusted with it.
[1:11:36] If you don't agree with me, if
[1:11:36] you're one of the people who
[1:11:37] shrugs off violations of the
[1:11:40] 4th Amendment by saying that
[1:11:41] you have nothing to hide
[1:11:41] tonight, challenge you to
[1:11:42] invite the chief of police in
[1:11:45] your home tonight and look
[1:11:47] through your drawers.
[1:11:47] Maybe you'd like to unlock your
[1:11:50] phone and give it to the mayor
[1:11:51] for a few hours.
[1:11:53] Or allow a federal agent from
[1:11:54] 1000 miles away to watch your
[1:11:55] kids at the playground in the
[1:11:57] bus stop for the next couple
[1:11:58] months. As long as they
[1:12:03] promise. It's a very qualified
[1:12:04] have legal mechanisms to
[1:12:05] collect security camera footage
[1:12:07] or to otherwise monitor
[1:12:08] potential criminal activity.
[1:12:11] Alprs constitute warrantless
[1:12:11] mass surveillance. We already
[1:12:13] know how this technology gets
[1:12:14] abused. And we've already seen
[1:12:15] the very people responsible for
[1:12:16] investigating that abuse aren't
[1:12:18] immune to abusing it either.
[1:12:20] As an American, I grew up
[1:12:22] learning about our freedoms and
[1:12:24] the rights that we fought for
[1:12:27] reading books like 1984, in
[1:12:27] Fahrenheit 4.51 In school
[1:12:28] spending my life getting told
[1:12:30] how thankful I should be that
[1:12:31] I don't live in an
[1:12:33] authoritarian state like Russia
[1:12:36] or China. The people who agree
[1:12:39] to these contracts. My fellow
[1:12:41] known better.
[1:12:42] I'm disappointed in the poor
[1:12:42] judgment shown by the people
[1:12:44] who allowed flocking to our
[1:12:48] city. But really what
[1:12:48] disappoints me the most is the
[1:12:50] apparent naive im not
[1:12:51] considering that this
[1:12:52] technology, the continuous and
[1:12:53] centralized tracking and
[1:12:54] categorization of everybody
[1:12:58] can be turned against you at
[1:13:00] some point. And if not a new
[1:13:01] members of your political party
[1:13:02] or your friends or your family.
[1:13:03] And if not now, then when the
[1:13:06] next people take the reins of
[1:13:08] power. None of us are safe from
[1:13:10] the threats posed by the alp
[1:13:10] ours. We're already all
[1:13:11] endangered by the data they've
[1:13:14] collected up until this point.
[1:13:15] But we all deserve to be safe
[1:13:16] and to start making things
[1:13:19] better. Now, please do the
[1:13:22] right thing.
[1:13:35] Markel Crawford.
[1:13:46] Good evening.
[1:13:50] I've been waiting a long time
[1:13:53] for this moment.
[1:13:54] As you have heard basis said,
[1:13:56] we speak. The people have
[1:13:58] spoken I love the way everyone
[1:14:02] came up. Everyone came
[1:14:04] together.
[1:14:12] Validate an icy. The fact that
[1:14:12] agreement with the people.
[1:14:15] There was, you know, a little
[1:14:17] bit misunderstanding. But I
[1:14:19] do respect it. And I respect
[1:14:22] the people as well. The people
[1:14:27] have spoken. What I was going
[1:14:28] to say. Was that Flock has been
[1:14:30] proven in this surveillance
[1:14:35] has been proven to not work.
[1:14:36] It's been proven to be a
[1:14:42] hindrance rather than a help.
[1:14:43] It's been proven to actually
[1:14:45] not be what the people want.
[1:14:48] And it's the people who really
[1:14:50] want it want to use it against
[1:14:53] you. They're they're wanting
[1:14:56] to use these surveillance
[1:14:59] systems. To attack even you.
[1:15:02] When you don't agree with them.
[1:15:06] I don't want to make it long
[1:15:08] because I love the people and
[1:15:10] I want them to speak. So for
[1:15:13] the rest of my time, I can see.
[1:15:16] Thank you.
[1:15:27] Kevin says Perez.
[1:15:39] Good evening. Good evening.
[1:15:40] If you like. It's pretty
[1:15:43] outrageous that we're here
[1:15:45] right now.
[1:15:47] It was many, many months ago
[1:15:51] that that's from was packed
[1:15:51] and everybody was like we need
[1:15:57] to band Flock and all lp ours.
[1:15:57] These are all the reasons.
[1:15:58] And you've heard so many
[1:16:01] reasons tonight over the past
[1:16:04] months about the surveillance,
[1:16:04] how evil of the corporation
[1:16:06] flock is, how we don't feel
[1:16:07] safe. That's going to be misuse
[1:16:09] abuse. All these things have
[1:16:12] been stated. At that point.
[1:16:19] Fox should have been banned.
[1:16:23] The people, right. We see the
[1:16:24] wcc the misuse. We see the
[1:16:26] continued surveillance and the
[1:16:27] negative effects that's having
[1:16:30] the lack of safety that people
[1:16:33] feel. So we packed the room
[1:16:34] again. We tell you.
[1:16:38] We want flock and all lpr is
[1:16:42] banned and again, the people
[1:16:45] are not listened to and we have
[1:16:45] a few little tweaks are will
[1:16:46] take could wave of the use of
[1:16:48] flock away from a few of these
[1:16:51] police officers that that
[1:16:52] should fix it will have the
[1:16:52] please keep other police
[1:16:54] accountable. That should work.
[1:17:06] It doesn't work. We have more
[1:17:07] problems. We see it. Not only
[1:17:10] Milwaukee across Wisconsin
[1:17:12] across the whole country.
[1:17:14] Hand, it turns out there's a
[1:17:16] whole bunch of other places
[1:17:17] that are like, oh, yeah, the
[1:17:18] people have spoken the right.
[1:17:20] We're going to listen to them.
[1:17:27] We're going to ban flock.
[1:17:28] Liberal Madison to make a
[1:17:30] Republican Ron DeSantis in
[1:17:31] Florida like this isn't a
[1:17:35] partisan thing. This is like a
[1:17:36] public safety thing. And we
[1:17:37] hear that from from npd from
[1:17:39] Chief Norman had it's about
[1:17:43] safety. Look at the these but
[1:17:44] criminals we've arrested.
[1:17:44] That's that we've been tell
[1:17:47] you. That's not what's keeping
[1:17:51] us safe.
[1:17:51] It's we feel unsafe because
[1:17:54] of all the surveillance that's
[1:17:57] going on because there's data
[1:17:58] Taken from all of us and we
[1:18:02] don't know what's happening
[1:18:04] with that because we have
[1:18:04] members of our community, our
[1:18:07] friends that are being stalked
[1:18:10] by this like this is what's
[1:18:11] making us unsafe. And this is
[1:18:13] what's been saying for months,
[1:18:15] the and saying all this and
[1:18:19] happened. The people happened.
[1:18:20] Listen to as much as everyone
[1:18:23] all of you to come council,
[1:18:24] the mayor.
[1:18:26] It's we've been listening.
[1:18:28] You know, you haven't been
[1:18:28] listening because we've told
[1:18:29] you exactly for months and
[1:18:33] months what it's going to
[1:18:33] happen, how we feel and every
[1:18:37] little tweak, the slow reform.
[1:18:38] That's not working. The only
[1:18:44] thing though, work is banning.
[1:18:45] Flock and they'll be ours.
[1:18:48] Please listen. Finally, listen
[1:18:51] to the people and do it.
[1:18:55] We're asking to cancel.
[1:18:55] All acts on Jan attacked all
[1:18:56] these other companies that we
[1:18:58] have cameras out because, you
[1:19:01] know, flock isn't the only come
[1:19:01] Milwaukee, all of them. We want
[1:19:04] gone and not here. Thank you.
[1:19:17] Galle, Middle breath.
[1:19:24] Good evening. Good evening.
[1:19:30] You have my This is off the
[1:19:31] cuff I'm a lifelong resident
[1:19:33] of the city and I'm not retired
[1:19:34] Milwaukee public schools,
[1:19:37] teacher. And so I I've had.
[1:19:42] Working with the Milwaukee
[1:19:43] Police Department, I'll start
[1:19:44] with a positive. One was I
[1:19:46] believe his name was Officer
[1:19:50] Wilkerson, Wilkins Wilkerson
[1:19:51] members partner's name and
[1:19:52] maybe save my life in a
[1:19:53] domestic violence situation.
[1:19:55] Any advice be going forward and
[1:19:57] the device was excellent.
[1:19:58] I wish I could have run into
[1:19:58] Lincoln someday, but I did
[1:20:01] write a letter to his
[1:20:01] supervisor back then. And then
[1:20:02] on the other hand, I have
[1:20:05] worked with let's just call
[1:20:07] him officer putts to the
[1:20:08] schools and there was a serious
[1:20:09] incident that I have to be
[1:20:11] involved with. And and somebody
[1:20:13] was injured to the point of
[1:20:16] surgery and the little guy,
[1:20:19] his family took Waukee Police
[1:20:19] Department to court.
[1:20:20] So it was called to testify.
[1:20:23] People had their attorneys is
[1:20:25] very stressful.
[1:20:26] And then the parent told me,
[1:20:29] Oh, it's all good. We don't
[1:20:29] have to go forward. Milwaukee
[1:20:30] Police Department said they're
[1:20:31] going to cut us a check.
[1:20:33] We don't have to go through the
[1:20:33] court process and it was a lie.
[1:20:36] So they had to start it all
[1:20:37] up again because there was
[1:20:37] never a check sent to them for
[1:20:41] the child's injuries. And so.
[1:20:43] The trust factor that I have is
[1:20:47] a mixed bag. You know, I I feel
[1:20:48] police officers and other
[1:20:51] situations on the summerfest,
[1:20:57] security and a couple the rules
[1:20:57] There's just a trust trust
[1:21:00] issue. And it's based on facts
[1:21:03] that I've lived in my life.
[1:21:04] It's so I can't really say you
[1:21:04] have enough officer Wilkerson's
[1:21:07] to make it safe for us to have.
[1:21:10] All these cameras. I just don't
[1:21:13] have the trust there. And I.
[1:21:19] Get rid of them. Please.
[1:21:22] Thank you.
[1:21:45] Good evening.
[1:21:50] I like to start off by saying
[1:21:52] I come to all these meetings
[1:21:55] and I never really speak at
[1:21:58] them. But I feel compelled to
[1:22:00] this time just because this
[1:22:05] has been. An ongoing issue for
[1:22:06] some time now. This is I don't
[1:22:06] even know what meeting this is,
[1:22:16] Rick, that we've discussed
[1:22:16] There is a story that has been
[1:22:19] mentioned a couple times
[1:22:26] tonight, but I'd like to really
[1:22:30] nature of it just over a week
[1:22:31] ago, a traffic stop was
[1:22:32] initiated, stopping all traffic
[1:22:33] on. I-94 where woman and her
[1:22:37] passenger were held at gunpoint
[1:22:38] by Brookfield Police and
[1:22:39] falsely arrested due to their
[1:22:41] license plate being linked to a
[1:22:42] homicide within the flock data
[1:22:45] base by the Milwaukee Police
[1:22:47] Department.
[1:22:48] The car was investigated and
[1:22:49] found have never been involved
[1:22:50] in the homicide. Another with
[1:22:52] the individuals, please drew
[1:22:54] rifles on inside of the car.
[1:22:55] The Milwaukee Police Department
[1:22:57] failed to remove the alert
[1:22:58] within the fox system that
[1:22:58] caused it to be flagged by
[1:23:01] flock cameras winter about and
[1:23:04] drove by.
[1:23:04] Stopped and rifles being drawn
[1:23:07] on innocent people on the
[1:23:10] freeway. The ins, the woman has
[1:23:11] now lost both of her jobs due
[1:23:12] to this incident is currently
[1:23:15] mulling legal action against
[1:23:17] the city of Milwaukee. All this
[1:23:18] came about because the
[1:23:19] Milwaukee police and failed to
[1:23:20] remove her vehicle from the
[1:23:21] fox database after they
[1:23:24] concluded their investigation.
[1:23:26] Between the Milwaukee Police
[1:23:27] Department's general neglect
[1:23:29] and or incompetency to update
[1:23:33] their system or they're
[1:23:34] intentional. Use of it to now.
[1:23:36] We've had another mpd officer
[1:23:38] recently found to have been
[1:23:38] violating the department's
[1:23:42] policy by using it. Just talk
[1:23:45] to people. I mean, like there's
[1:23:47] every time we come back here,
[1:23:47] this issue, there's just like
[1:23:48] another officer that's been
[1:23:52] found to be using the power
[1:23:54] and fox system.
[1:23:54] It's clear we cannot trust the
[1:23:56] Milwaukee Police Department to
[1:23:58] follow its own policies on
[1:24:02] flock or to use it correctly,
[1:24:03] quote, unquote, correctly.
[1:24:05] The fact of the matter is
[1:24:05] simply that their access to in
[1:24:07] any degree creates a danger to
[1:24:10] everyone in this community.
[1:24:12] The only sensible solution, any
[1:24:14] rational person would have to
[1:24:14] the numerous stories that
[1:24:16] continue to be released
[1:24:18] regarding the use of flock in
[1:24:20] Milwaukee will be to
[1:24:23] in the city of Milwaukee.
[1:24:25] Enough is enough to call for
[1:24:27] anything less than a total ban
[1:24:28] on apr is would be to knowingly
[1:24:31] in danger. Every single member
[1:24:36] of this community.
[1:24:36] Difference between that one
[1:24:37] being alive and being dead
[1:24:39] right now because they had
[1:24:40] rifles pointed right at her
[1:24:42] all because a mistake by the
[1:24:46] Milwaukee Police Department.
[1:24:48] That to me is terrifying.
[1:24:55] I think it's something to be
[1:25:07] Waleed is our.
[1:25:21] And a grad students here in
[1:25:23] Milwaukee. I'm here today to
[1:25:24] express my complete opposition
[1:25:28] to the foxes than here in the
[1:25:28] city. Mayor Johnson released a
[1:25:29] statement earlier this week
[1:25:30] regarding the use and
[1:25:32] regulation of flock cameras
[1:25:34] in Milwaukee. But I have to say
[1:25:35] I disagree with the mayor
[1:25:36] because I don't want to see
[1:25:39] regulation. I want to see them
[1:25:43] gone. Flock cameras pose the
[1:25:44] risk to the safety of
[1:25:45] everyday individuals, Foxx term
[1:25:47] at terms and conditions state
[1:25:49] that they possess a, quote,
[1:25:49] perpetual license to use
[1:25:50] customer data to, quote,
[1:25:53] support and improve its
[1:25:53] services.
[1:25:55] Assuming Milwaukee terminates
[1:25:56] its contract with flock today.
[1:26:00] The damage has already been
[1:26:00] done. They have a right to all
[1:26:03] the data they have collected up
[1:26:03] until now. We are in damage
[1:26:06] control territory at this
[1:26:08] point.
[1:26:09] Furthermore flock does not
[1:26:10] explicitly state in their terms
[1:26:13] and conditions that they would
[1:26:13] not sell customer data. We also
[1:26:15] know that flock creates heat
[1:26:16] maps that track an individual's
[1:26:17] movements so flood could be
[1:26:19] selling your data to anybody
[1:26:20] who wants it. The highest
[1:26:23] bidder insurance companies,
[1:26:24] tech companies, maybe foreign
[1:26:25] governments. I don't know if
[1:26:28] they're allowed to do that, but
[1:26:29] they can to close. I want to
[1:26:32] live in a surveillance state.
[1:26:33] I want to live in a place way
[1:26:34] per it. A private tech security
[1:26:38] firm can access my whereabouts
[1:26:38] whenever they want to to
[1:26:39] terminate the contract with
[1:26:40] flock and any and all mass
[1:26:42] surveillance systems. Thank
[1:26:45] you.
[1:26:57] The next person is Scott.
[1:27:04] I'm not spelling of last name
[1:27:07] Good evening.
[1:27:11] A lot of fun. I've never been
[1:27:14] to a Common Council meeting
[1:27:15] before,
[1:27:17] I've never felt so strongly on
[1:27:19] a subject that I needed to come
[1:27:20] and speak at the Common Council
[1:27:21] meeting. And I think that's why
[1:27:22] you have all these people here
[1:27:26] tonight as well. Where fire and
[1:27:27] police commission fire and
[1:27:29] police commission, whatever,
[1:27:31] whatever you guys, I never felt
[1:27:32] strongly enough to get up here
[1:27:33] on a Thursday night and speak
[1:27:35] to the city of Milwaukee right?
[1:27:36] So I'll just say I'm not going
[1:27:38] to try to take a lot of time,
[1:27:39] but I think Mayor Johnson's
[1:27:43] resolution is a Band-Aid on a
[1:27:44] gushing bullet wound if it
[1:27:45] weren't, you wouldn't have all
[1:27:47] these people here. Like I just
[1:27:49] said.
[1:27:52] And it's only going to get
[1:27:53] worse. Let's be honest, like
[1:27:54] flocks newest thing is drones,
[1:27:56] right? So when you're going
[1:27:57] into a contract with flock in,
[1:27:58] you're buying flock cameras.
[1:28:00] How do we know it's not going
[1:28:00] to go to the next thing.
[1:28:01] It's not going to be drones
[1:28:02] next are going to be following
[1:28:05] us around with drones in our
[1:28:07] cars right? And a lot of people
[1:28:09] spoke about all the ways that
[1:28:10] it's been misuse. The
[1:28:11] Brookfield incident just came
[1:28:14] up. And my question to you is.
[1:28:19] Who pays when a missing new
[1:28:21] all successfully sues the city
[1:28:22] of Milwaukee. Who pays for
[1:28:25] that? The taxpayers pay for
[1:28:25] that. We pay for that with
[1:28:26] somebody cuts down the flock
[1:28:28] camera and then you decide to
[1:28:30] put it back up. Who pays for
[1:28:30] that? The taxpayers pay for
[1:28:33] that. And guess what? It's
[1:28:34] going to bed on Halloween.
[1:28:35] I think there's going to be a
[1:28:37] lot of flock cameras cut down
[1:28:38] on Halloween. So who's going to
[1:28:41] pay for those that get put back
[1:28:44] up?
[1:28:48] Mpd mpd doesn't own the data as
[1:28:49] was just
[1:28:49] talked about Sheboygan, new
[1:28:51] this. That's why they canceled
[1:28:56] the contract because it shifts
[1:28:59] the burden of proof from
[1:29:00] innocent until guilty to guilty
[1:29:00] in 2 innocent. Because ai is
[1:29:05] going to start giving out
[1:29:09] automatic tickets. I will leave
[1:29:09] the you guys with this one
[1:29:12] quote, because it hasn't been
[1:29:14] needs to be dropped on yachts.
[1:29:15] Heads Benjamin Franklin said
[1:29:17] those who give up essential
[1:29:18] liberty for a little temporary
[1:29:22] safety deserve neither liberty
[1:29:23] nor safety. So I will pose the
[1:29:26] question to you guys tonight.
[1:29:30] What do you deserve?
[1:29:39] Is there anyone else here in
[1:29:41] person who would like to speak
[1:29:44] of public comment? Please come
[1:29:47] up.
[1:30:01] And because I thought we
[1:30:06] knows if you still would like
[1:30:09] My name is Candice Alley and
[1:30:11] I live in the 14th Aldermanic
[1:30:13] District. I have raised my
[1:30:16] children and my grandchildren
[1:30:16] are now being raised in this
[1:30:19] city and on a personal level, I
[1:30:21] do not want to live in a
[1:30:22] surveillance state. I'm here,
[1:30:22] however, to speak on behalf of
[1:30:26] the League of Women, Voters of
[1:30:26] Milwaukee County. And if you
[1:30:32] most of the work I do with the
[1:30:32] league is is put and the right
[1:30:33] to vote, you know, making sure
[1:30:35] that everybody has the right to
[1:30:37] vote, that it's a protected
[1:30:39] right. And it's because we
[1:30:40] believe in and have for 100
[1:30:41] years. Men out there defending
[1:30:42] democracy. We know that voting
[1:30:45] is a key part of democracy.
[1:30:48] But also the rights that we
[1:30:51] have as people who live in a
[1:30:52] community, the right not to
[1:30:54] have. We've opposed the facial
[1:30:57] recognition technology. And
[1:30:59] we're here today to oppose this
[1:31:00] technology. We want the
[1:31:03] contract to be stopped and we
[1:31:04] don't want flock cameras.
[1:31:05] And that's that is really part
[1:31:08] of our fundamental belief that
[1:31:12] it goes against our rights in a
[1:31:13] Democratic society. And, you
[1:31:14] know, as these things come in,
[1:31:18] they MAY they MAY not seem so
[1:31:18] dangerous. Although I bet you a
[1:31:20] lot of people could have said
[1:31:26] that they were and did say.
[1:31:27] But now we've seen the
[1:31:27] tremendous abuse and everybody
[1:31:31] is so careful in our community
[1:31:32] and fearful in our city.
[1:31:33] And we believe as as we go in
[1:31:34] and voters that we have an
[1:31:37] obligation to come here and
[1:31:38] speak out and urge you to stop
[1:31:42] this contract and stop this
[1:31:45] technology. So thank you.
[1:32:06] Hello. I love all a very I'm in
[1:32:08] the 3rd and I just want to put
[1:32:14] in to a comment that high
[1:32:22] Additional thought since I
[1:32:28] a summer. Nice to meet you
[1:32:30] guys. I live over there I.
[1:32:32] Calling these things license
[1:32:33] plate readers are like calling
[1:32:35] my civic a space heater like,
[1:32:36] yes, they rely someplace.
[1:32:36] That's not what they do,
[1:32:39] though. We're on the same page
[1:32:40] there.
[1:32:45] The mayor and the head of npd.
[1:32:48] Is proposing.
[1:32:50] Halfway solution. Where were
[1:32:51] you guys can audit what they're
[1:32:52] doing and they can only use it
[1:32:54] for high-level crimes or
[1:32:58] whatever. I'm not interested
[1:33:01] in a halfway solution between
[1:33:02] like an authoritarian
[1:33:03] dictatorship and a free
[1:33:03] country, right like we need
[1:33:07] to. There is no halfway
[1:33:12] position here.
[1:33:13] I think that's I think that's
[1:33:16] mainly my issue here. I don't
[1:33:18] want.
[1:33:19] Any steps to like limit the way
[1:33:22] we're using. This is like, oh,
[1:33:23] like let's have a limited
[1:33:29] amount of fascism. Like what
[1:33:35] Do we have anyone else in
[1:33:38] person who would like to speak?
[1:33:47] A timely ovarian toes and I am
[1:33:48] an out-of-state student.
[1:33:50] The student going to school
[1:33:51] here in Milwaukee and my city
[1:33:52] of Wichita, Kansas is not
[1:33:54] giving me the option to speak
[1:33:57] to people about this and oppose
[1:33:58] this. The owner of Flock
[1:33:58] considers me a terrorist
[1:33:59] because I oppose being
[1:34:01] surveilled in my own safety in
[1:34:02] my own home country. I was
[1:34:04] taught this was never going to
[1:34:05] be a problem. And now it is.
[1:34:07] And I thank you for listening
[1:34:09] to I thank you for your time.
[1:34:10] Completely. Ban flock ban, all
[1:34:14] license plate readers ban all
[1:34:15] gunshot detectors. Ai does not
[1:34:17] have years. Ai does not have
[1:34:18] discernment. Ai does not have a
[1:34:20] motion's. It cannot tell
[1:34:21] whether or not humans and
[1:34:23] tension is actually going to
[1:34:24] harm anyone. A human can.
[1:34:25] And even the humans who are
[1:34:27] supposed to be controlling this
[1:34:31] have proven they are not
[1:34:32] capable of protecting us.
[1:34:34] Van came as Bran van, a license
[1:34:35] plate readers and get rid of
[1:34:35] all of this ai surveillance.
[1:34:36] We are not a surveillance
[1:34:39] state. We are a free country.
[1:34:50] Bridgett. We have anyone online
[1:34:54] for public comment. Yes, Julie
[1:34:55] 9 director.
[1:35:01] Welcome back to sir. Just one
[1:35:03] moment. Yes, Julie.
[1:35:04] Thanks. Thing spreads and good
[1:35:07] evening. Neighbors
[1:35:08] commissioners, directors.
[1:35:09] The Milwaukee Fire and Police
[1:35:10] Commission page on the city's
[1:35:14] website has a huge headline.
[1:35:17] The Oversight Accountability
[1:35:21] Community Trust followed by.
[1:35:22] We value your feedback.
[1:35:23] Something you're constantly
[1:35:28] alluding to try and get rid
[1:35:31] statement reflecting these
[1:35:32] intentions as well as days
[1:35:34] counting the constitutional
[1:35:35] rights of all people. The
[1:35:37] website talks a good game.
[1:35:39] It's. Despite Jay Pierce, 6
[1:35:43] flowery tribute. Consider this.
[1:35:45] Oversight under this
[1:35:49] commission's watch. The chief
[1:35:54] of police made the unfathomable
[1:35:55] training with
[1:35:59] the racist genocidal apartheid
[1:36:00] Zionist regime that is
[1:36:01] currently occupying Palestine.
[1:36:04] How can this commission
[1:36:05] possibly endorse that? And if
[1:36:06] you don't, what have you put in
[1:36:08] place to ensure that such a
[1:36:12] heinous thing never happens
[1:36:15] again.
[1:36:15] Accountability.
[1:36:18] The community has been pleading
[1:36:20] for this commission to hold the
[1:36:22] chief accountable for that
[1:36:23] training. What did he learn
[1:36:33] there? What did you bring back
[1:36:34] How can a community trust the
[1:36:36] police chief of police Force
[1:36:39] and Oversight Commission that
[1:36:42] is okay with such horrendous
[1:36:45] action.
[1:36:49] Writes, safeguarding the rights
[1:36:52] of all people. The Chiefs
[1:36:54] explicitly in 2025 a year when
[1:36:58] ignorance is no longer an
[1:36:58] excuse he chose to train with
[1:37:03] the genocidal entity recognized
[1:37:04] by the multitude international
[1:37:05] organizations that I've listed
[1:37:07] off at multiple previous
[1:37:09] meetings. He chose to train
[1:37:12] with the regime that is
[1:37:13] internationally condemned.
[1:37:17] As a notorious violator of
[1:37:18] human rights.
[1:37:21] Your Web page says that you
[1:37:22] value community feedback and
[1:37:25] yet you remain complicit with
[1:37:27] the chief in this repeatedly
[1:37:30] refusing to address this or
[1:37:34] to have genuine discourse
[1:37:34] about it. Oversight,
[1:37:35] accountability, trust
[1:37:37] safeguarding rights. You set
[1:37:38] their month after month.
[1:37:41] In front of a community
[1:37:41] pleading endlessly. For you to
[1:37:45] uphold all of these things.
[1:37:47] Please stop ignoring our
[1:37:49] concerns. Answer our questions
[1:37:50] regarding the Chiefs training.
[1:37:54] Do everything in your power to
[1:37:56] stop the growth of
[1:37:56] this. Indeed. Dystopian
[1:37:58] surveillance state and do
[1:38:02] everything in your power to
[1:38:03] actually safeguard this
[1:38:03] community and our human The
[1:38:07] mayor and mpd can pretend all
[1:38:08] they want that any suppose it
[1:38:09] safeguards on this locker or
[1:38:11] other cameras would ever work?
[1:38:13] The community does not want
[1:38:17] a surveillance state period.
[1:38:19] And it's only this commission
[1:38:20] would be as concerned about
[1:38:23] the concerns we've all been
[1:38:26] bringing up as you are about
[1:38:28] clutching your pearls
[1:38:30] and uplifting the racist white
[1:38:33] supremacist tenants like
[1:38:35] Robert's rules and order.
[1:38:38] And proper language and fear
[1:38:44] of open conflict right to come
[1:38:45] connected free Palestine, Free
[1:38:47] Milwaukee, from road policing
[1:38:49] from genocide. Supporters from
[1:38:50] surveillance cameras from all
[1:38:53] of these horrors. Thank you.
[1:39:01] I think we had and individual
[1:39:09] back here in person who wanted
[1:39:13] Hello. My name is Charles
[1:39:17] Redcliffe. I live in the 3rd
[1:39:19] police district. And I came
[1:39:20] here to basically say how
[1:39:23] disgusted I am with the flock
[1:39:24] cameras and the response to
[1:39:27] the public opposition of the
[1:39:27] flock cameras by the the mayor
[1:39:30] and the fire and police
[1:39:32] commission.
[1:39:37] For one. I want to go back to
[1:39:38] camera. A license plate reader
[1:39:41] has being like a Honda Civic,
[1:39:42] that kind of space because I
[1:39:45] live right by Washington Park
[1:39:46] over there.
[1:39:48] And I notice that the entire
[1:39:49] park is covered by flock
[1:39:50] cameras. You can't walk
[1:39:53] anywhere in the park without
[1:39:53] being seen
[1:39:56] it's not an area where there
[1:40:00] is.
[1:40:00] And over the abundance of
[1:40:03] vehicles out of parking lots
[1:40:04] that remain freeway. It's a
[1:40:04] park apart. The head of no
[1:40:07] Kings protest recently
[1:40:11] actually.
[1:40:12] Uwm is covered and flock
[1:40:15] cameras, a place students are
[1:40:17] known to protest and have a
[1:40:20] their opposition to things,
[1:40:21] whatever. But I.
[1:40:23] I would like to question why
[1:40:25] the specific places are being
[1:40:25] chosen. And I would like to
[1:40:29] invite other people to question
[1:40:30] that as well because these are
[1:40:31] really license plate readers.
[1:40:33] That's just kind of a fancy
[1:40:39] name for him. And I'm not here
[1:40:48] I do. Want to make sure we
[1:40:49] haven't missed anyone else in
[1:40:57] person. Before we go back to
[1:41:02] Well, it's interesting be on
[1:41:05] the side of.
[1:41:09] Thanks to the community.
[1:41:10] We all realize it's kind of
[1:41:11] like political theater because
[1:41:13] the ftc doesn't have any actual
[1:41:18] oversight control because of
[1:41:18] at 12, maybe legislation can
[1:41:22] change with new Administration
[1:41:25] in that knowing that I like
[1:41:28] to second the fact that how
[1:41:32] can we trust the Milwaukee
[1:41:33] Police Department? When the
[1:41:34] leader who now their chief
[1:41:37] trained in a genocidal state.
[1:41:42] Of Israel or how occupied
[1:41:44] Palestine.
[1:41:45] That's one that you guys didn't
[1:41:47] know about it or something.
[1:41:48] Right. And then 5 month there
[1:41:50] was a 5 years of using effort.
[1:41:56] He that's another thing that.
[1:42:00] Obviously nobody wanted.
[1:42:01] And they did without
[1:42:01] without an actual license.
[1:42:05] The reason like Netflix
[1:42:08] password in their words.
[1:42:10] Trust issue.
[1:42:13] Calling on the resignation of
[1:42:14] the police chief. And I'm
[1:42:14] calling on the mayor to do
[1:42:20] something about it. Instead of.
[1:42:20] Allowing that distrust to
[1:42:23] continue to faster in the
[1:42:26] community.
[1:42:39] Yes.
[1:42:50] Earlier someone else brought up
[1:42:51] a 94.
[1:42:54] And we have big brother right
[1:42:55] now. I do. If you read 1984 in
[1:42:57] high school, I'm sure most of
[1:43:01] you did. But flock, these other
[1:43:02] systems.
[1:43:03] Ai surveillance, mass
[1:43:04] surveillance, facial
[1:43:05] recognition license plate
[1:43:06] readers and all the other
[1:43:07] function they have. This is big
[1:43:08] Brother. We have it right now.
[1:43:09] I don't know what your takeaway
[1:43:13] was when you read that book.
[1:43:15] If it was well, gosh, if only
[1:43:16] the supervisors had been
[1:43:18] running big brother, it would
[1:43:19] in fact mean if we had one more
[1:43:20] guardrail, big brother would
[1:43:21] have been just fine. Many big
[1:43:24] brother wasn't the problem.
[1:43:26] It is just a few bad apples.
[1:43:27] I'm here to tell you if that
[1:43:28] was your lesson, you did not
[1:43:30] understand the book. You did
[1:43:33] not understand George Orwell,
[1:43:33] who had many faults, but his
[1:43:36] understanding of fascism was
[1:43:37] not one of his fault. And Big
[1:43:39] Brother, which is what I'm
[1:43:40] gonna call this surveillance
[1:43:41] state that we currently have in
[1:43:45] America right now. It's
[1:43:47] fascism.
[1:43:48] As many other people have said,
[1:43:50] do not want to live in a
[1:43:53] fascist state. Please return
[1:43:54] our freedom and get rid of
[1:43:55] flock, get rid of all these
[1:43:56] other mass surveillance
[1:43:59] systems. Get rid of Big
[1:44:02] Brother. Thank you.
[1:44:10] Frigid anyone else online for
[1:44:16] public comment.
[1:44:20] Okay.
[1:44:30] Many, many, many times
[1:44:31] the reason I don't to police
[1:44:33] because because I actually live
[1:44:36] in Menominee Falls. But
[1:44:39] yeah, there is a trust issue
[1:44:43] so for the last 7 months, I've
[1:44:48] open records request forward
[1:44:53] Norman's. Trip to Israel.
[1:44:56] How about 2 months ago?
[1:44:57] They said that there are a
[1:44:57] few days more in actually
[1:45:01] getting those open records
[1:45:06] requests. You know, so years,
[1:45:06] I MAY have to start pursuing
[1:45:09] legal means to obtain those
[1:45:12] records.
[1:45:21] I travel in and out of
[1:45:24] Milwaukee. You know, 5, 6,
[1:45:26] times a day.
[1:45:28] To know tracked every place
[1:45:31] that I go is really disturbing.
[1:45:38] It's a violation. My 4th man
[1:45:39] right? I want you to stop.
[1:45:43] Now. I know I'm the nominee
[1:45:43] falls.
[1:45:46] We still have to head up that
[1:45:49] challenge of getting rid of
[1:45:52] flock there as well.
[1:46:14] Okay. It appears that we're
[1:46:15] done with the public comment.
[1:46:16] Thanks, everybody. Yes, we
[1:46:16] could. I'm not sure how many
[1:46:19] people want to stay for the
[1:46:20] balance of the meeting.
[1:46:24] If you're going to stay great,
[1:46:27] like to leave and opportunity.
[1:46:38] To leave. Before we get back to
[1:46:47] something on
[1:47:55] yeah, it took me a while just
[1:48:05] enough director. Please proceed
[1:48:06] with the agenda right?
[1:48:08] Do not read the items on the
[1:48:09] consent agenda after I do.
[1:48:11] So any commissioner MAY remove
[1:48:12] any of these items to the
[1:48:14] regular agenda for discussion
[1:48:16] or appropriate action items,
[1:48:19] not remove MAY be adopted by
[1:48:23] general consent without debate
[1:48:23] item 2 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 6, 6,
[1:48:27] resolution relating to the JULY
[1:48:30] 16th 2026. Meeting minutes item
[1:48:31] 3 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 6, 7,
[1:48:34] resolution relating to the
[1:48:35] appointments to the you free to
[1:48:36] print his position within the
[1:48:39] Milwaukee Fire Department.
[1:48:43] 2 appointments.
[1:48:44] Item 4 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 6,
[1:48:45] 8 resolution relating to the
[1:48:46] appointments of the crime in
[1:48:46] with one position within the
[1:48:52] Milwaukee Police Department.
[1:48:54] 3 appointments item 5 pc, 2, 1,
[1:48:55] 2, 6, 6, 9, resolution relating
[1:48:55] to the building maintenance
[1:48:57] technician eligible list for
[1:49:01] the Milwaukee Police Department
[1:49:03] item 6 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 0,
[1:49:05] resolution relating to the
[1:49:08] crime scene supervisor eligible
[1:49:10] list for the Milwaukee Police
[1:49:12] Department item 7 pc, 2, 1, 2,
[1:49:13] 6, 7, 1, resolution relating to
[1:49:15] the hr supervisor eligible list
[1:49:18] for the Milwaukee Police
[1:49:20] Department item 8 pc, 2, 1, 2,
[1:49:21] 6, 7, 2, resolution relating to
[1:49:24] the hvac maintenance technician
[1:49:24] 3 eligible list for the
[1:49:28] Milwaukee Police Department and
[1:49:31] item 9 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 3,
[1:49:32] resolution relating to it.
[1:49:33] Project coordinator eligible
[1:49:34] list for the Milwaukee Police
[1:49:37] Department. This concludes the
[1:49:39] consent agenda.
[1:49:42] Would any commissioner like to
[1:49:46] remove any of these items from
[1:49:47] the consent agenda to the
[1:49:48] regular agenda. If there are no
[1:49:49] objections, the items on the
[1:49:51] consent agenda will be adapted
[1:49:55] by general consent. Are there
[1:49:56] any objections?
[1:49:58] Gehring, no objections. These
[1:49:59] items are adapted. Director,
[1:50:04] please proceed with the agenda.
[1:50:06] Under new business, which is
[1:50:08] item 10 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 5,
[1:50:10] communication from the
[1:50:11] Milwaukee Police Department
[1:50:12] relating to recent changes to
[1:50:14] mpd standard operating
[1:50:15] procedures and standard
[1:50:16] operating instructions. There
[1:50:21] are 8 policy changes before us
[1:50:23] for this meeting. So Peas, 0,
[1:50:26] 4, 0, limited duty status for
[1:50:29] 10 financial crime. Complaints
[1:50:32] for 55 critical incident Review
[1:50:34] board. 4.90, marriage.
[1:50:35] Merit Award program. 6.80,
[1:50:39] computer equipment,
[1:50:39] applications and systems 6.85
[1:50:42] Social networking sites and
[1:50:45] department images and then
[1:50:46] standard operating instructions
[1:50:48] for school resource School
[1:50:49] resources, officer program and
[1:50:49] then standard operating
[1:50:52] instruction for sexual assault
[1:50:56] investigations.
[1:50:58] At first, I want to thank our
[1:51:00] executive director for
[1:51:04] preparing a memo for the filed
[1:51:08] of identifies the the changes
[1:51:09] that I do still extensively
[1:51:13] from Lieutenant Colonel Ski of
[1:51:18] where credit is due. Is there
[1:51:22] anyone from the department to
[1:51:24] address changes?
[1:51:27] Yeah, good evening. MADAM
[1:51:35] Chair, assistant chief of
[1:51:38] director says we have 6
[1:51:38] standard operating procedure
[1:51:40] changes as well as 2 changes to
[1:51:43] stand operating instruction.
[1:51:44] I will just go over the
[1:51:47] highlights for each of these
[1:51:49] changes. With respect to s o p
[1:51:51] 40 limited duty status. We took
[1:51:53] out to work locations. The
[1:51:54] first being the technical
[1:51:57] communications division because
[1:51:59] it no longer exists and the
[1:52:00] forensic division because that
[1:52:01] has largely been civilian eyes.
[1:52:02] Now there's not a place we
[1:52:05] would put swore in limited duty
[1:52:08] personnel. As healthy for 10
[1:52:10] financial crime complaints.
[1:52:10] We added state statutes for
[1:52:15] forgery and identity theft to
[1:52:16] the definition section
[1:52:16] updated a patrol
[1:52:17] responsibilities. One taking
[1:52:18] in investigative packets for
[1:52:19] forgery and identity theft and
[1:52:23] worthless checks cleaned up
[1:52:25] some of the language.
[1:52:27] We removed the investigation
[1:52:28] of skimming devices for as
[1:52:30] solely as a criminal
[1:52:31] investigation. Bureau
[1:52:32] responsibility as those can
[1:52:36] be handled by anybody now to
[1:52:36] include patrol officers.
[1:52:37] And then we updated the links
[1:52:40] to the financial crime
[1:52:42] SharePoint Cage.
[1:52:44] A critical incident review
[1:52:46] board. We looked at that
[1:52:47] closely. We wanted to make sure
[1:52:49] policy matches practice.
[1:52:50] So we changed the last section
[1:52:53] of it to go from the executive
[1:52:55] you to the chief of police
[1:52:56] review hours before was once
[1:52:59] the critical incident Review
[1:53:00] board was Meeting was convened
[1:53:03] with the executive command
[1:53:04] staff within 60 days to go over
[1:53:07] the results of that curve
[1:53:10] meeting. How it is now is that
[1:53:14] once the critical as every book
[1:53:15] the findings from that review
[1:53:16] are given to the chief within
[1:53:20] 14 days and then from there
[1:53:20] once the chief, whereas final
[1:53:22] approval over the board's
[1:53:24] findings, once that's done,
[1:53:26] the results are for it on to
[1:53:27] both the fire and police
[1:53:30] commission as well as the
[1:53:30] impacted members union. So the
[1:53:35] policy now matches how the
[1:53:36] practice really is with stop
[1:53:38] for 90 to Merit Award program.
[1:53:39] We replace the English with
[1:53:42] Distinguished Service Award and
[1:53:43] created the Career Achievement
[1:53:43] Award. We had a couple of other
[1:53:48] new awards project initiative
[1:53:49] the Year award for the Unit
[1:53:50] Service Award. We created an
[1:53:52] honorable mention because we
[1:53:53] had quite a number of units
[1:53:56] service awards. However, only
[1:53:56] one is selected. We thought it
[1:53:57] would be a good idea to have an
[1:54:01] honorable mention category for
[1:54:03] that. We took out the language
[1:54:04] because we move from to
[1:54:05] marriage ceremonies year one
[1:54:06] in spring and fall to just one
[1:54:11] annual ceremony which will be.
[1:54:13] 4th of this year. And then we
[1:54:14] also added a citizen Community
[1:54:17] Engagement award for U.S.
[1:54:19] Citizens.
[1:54:21] Computer equipment,
[1:54:22] applications and systems not
[1:54:22] going to bore you with all the
[1:54:25] language that's in there.
[1:54:25] But the big one was we updated
[1:54:27] the term people, staff member
[1:54:28] to employee id number as
[1:54:32] people, staff members are no
[1:54:34] longer used social networking
[1:54:35] sites change with the changing
[1:54:36] of the times. We language in
[1:54:38] there that reference social
[1:54:40] media platforms like Twitter.
[1:54:43] So we updated with modern
[1:54:44] language but probably
[1:54:45] the biggest area that we put in
[1:54:49] there was some language about
[1:54:53] generative ai.
[1:54:54] So why for sexual assault
[1:54:54] investigations? We allow people
[1:54:55] language in there along the
[1:54:58] victim to choose the interview
[1:54:58] location when practice
[1:55:00] practicable and ensure that
[1:55:01] the victims interviewed a
[1:55:04] private setting records with
[1:55:05] best practices we have received
[1:55:09] funding from the Common Council
[1:55:10] as part of our the end of 24.
[1:55:13] And 25 as part of our budget
[1:55:15] creates offerings, we were
[1:55:17] going to create 2 soffer rooms
[1:55:18] softening. Every one of our
[1:55:20] work location. So there's a
[1:55:21] staff room and every one of
[1:55:21] our district stations, as well
[1:55:24] as the police administration
[1:55:26] going.
[1:55:27] Lastly with the school resource
[1:55:31] officers So I greet this back
[1:55:33] in JULY, we updated something
[1:55:34] since then. 2 things updated.
[1:55:35] Its school resource officers
[1:55:37] are now assigned to a school to
[1:55:39] begin the school year. Adding
[1:55:41] that the panel interview for
[1:55:43] New can continue with with only
[1:55:44] mpd representatives. If MPs
[1:55:46] representatives are not
[1:55:47] available, participate. That
[1:55:49] concludes all the updates.
[1:55:49] Happy to answer any questions
[1:55:53] they would ask, though, that
[1:55:54] any questions related to school
[1:55:59] resource officers program be
[1:56:03] held until Captain Arbyrd
[1:56:05] the program is doing. We did
[1:56:07] send that over and ask that
[1:56:08] that So it held up until
[1:56:11] SEPTEMBER 17, but it was
[1:56:15] included on the agenda.
[1:56:17] Go ahead.
[1:56:20] What are the districts again
[1:56:23] for the soft loans?
[1:56:24] 2 through 7 as well as the
[1:56:26] police administration building
[1:56:27] which houses district number
[1:56:31] one as well as the criminal
[1:56:34] investigation bureau. Thank
[1:56:36] you.
[1:56:39] Are there any other questions
[1:56:41] or comments?
[1:56:43] MADAM Chair, I get just on
[1:56:44] that. No, I about firms as well
[1:56:47] as I just wanted to say.
[1:56:49] I definitely appreciate the
[1:56:51] expansion of Do think that
[1:56:54] those have the opportunity to
[1:56:56] make a big difference
[1:56:57] for individuals. I, of course,
[1:56:58] have questions about the sro
[1:57:00] program. The I'm happy to hold
[1:57:03] over for when we talk about
[1:57:05] that.
[1:57:09] With regards to the merit
[1:57:13] awards, I guess just said
[1:57:14] suggestion or a question about
[1:57:16] the sort of project an
[1:57:19] initiative of the year. I I
[1:57:21] would love if those could also
[1:57:22] acknowledge problem oriented
[1:57:23] policing initiatives and
[1:57:25] problem oriented policing work
[1:57:27] as the department continues to
[1:57:28] grow their efforts with pop.
[1:57:31] And I think that that's also
[1:57:32] particularly helpful for us
[1:57:36] on the promotion side as well
[1:57:37] as I have begun to ask folks
[1:57:40] during promotions about problem
[1:57:48] oriented policing efforts.
[1:57:51] A need for their comments.
[1:57:52] Questions. Okay. This is a
[1:57:54] further action is required.
[1:57:57] Director, please proceed with
[1:57:59] the agenda.
[1:58:00] I will now read the items under
[1:58:02] the Department of Emergency
[1:58:04] communication starting with
[1:58:07] item 11 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 7,
[1:58:09] resolution relating to the
[1:58:09] appointments to the emergency
[1:58:12] communications officer. One
[1:58:13] position, 15 appointments.
[1:58:14] Do any of the commissioners
[1:58:17] have any comments or questions
[1:58:26] regarding this item?
[1:58:27] Discussion?
[1:58:29] I will take a voice vote on
[1:58:33] this item all in favor. Please
[1:58:38] any opposed. And the extensions
[1:58:42] motion carries director, please
[1:58:45] proceed with the agenda item
[1:58:47] 12 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 8,
[1:58:48] resolution relating to the
[1:58:48] contingent appointments to the
[1:58:49] emergency communications
[1:58:53] officer. One position, 9
[1:58:54] contingent appointments.
[1:58:54] Do any commissioners have any
[1:58:59] comments or questions on this
[1:59:02] Is there a motion on this
[1:59:04] matter? So second. Thank you.
[1:59:06] Well, take a voice vote on this
[1:59:10] item all in favor. Please
[1:59:17] signify by saying yes, I said
[1:59:19] carries. You know, it's
[1:59:22] interesting that we use the
[1:59:24] word. I like Mike. We're back
[1:59:27] in 19 o colonial times or
[1:59:28] tradition.
[1:59:32] Director, please proceed.
[1:59:34] All right. Item 13 f pc, 2, 1,
[1:59:34] 2, 6, 7, 9, resolution
[1:59:36] rescinding the promotion to
[1:59:39] the emergency communications
[1:59:41] officer for position.
[1:59:41] Can a member of the department
[1:59:44] please provide an overview of
[1:59:50] this request?
[1:59:56] That's why the human Resources
[2:00:02] Administration manager.
[2:00:06] And this is a relation to Katy
[2:00:08] available to complete the
[2:00:11] training that was required.
[2:00:13] As noted she has had time off
[2:00:13] payroll and due to an extended
[2:00:17] medical leave that inhibits her
[2:00:26] to do so.
[2:00:27] To make sure that.
[2:00:29] We are doing things on the up
[2:00:31] and up and not missing
[2:00:32] something here. If memory
[2:00:36] serves me correctly back at the
[2:00:39] last meeting in JULY, the board
[2:00:41] did these promotions contingent
[2:00:43] upon completing the training,
[2:00:46] which was a little unusual.
[2:00:47] But I think we were told that
[2:00:48] the completion of the training
[2:00:52] was expected. You know, at the
[2:00:56] end of that week, which would
[2:00:57] I think
[2:00:59] and then now this person's on
[2:01:03] extended medical leave. So I
[2:01:06] 2 questions. The first one MAY
[2:01:07] be less important if if the
[2:01:11] person was on the medical leave
[2:01:15] that at that time and 2 we have
[2:01:15] to be careful that if someone's
[2:01:19] on a type of legally protected
[2:01:20] leave, that they're not
[2:01:24] they are afforded the
[2:01:26] opportunity to complete just
[2:01:27] given the same substantive
[2:01:27] opportunity that that someone
[2:01:28] else would be. And I just want
[2:01:30] to make sure we're not missing
[2:01:33] that. And creating a potential
[2:01:35] problem.
[2:01:38] Yes, says thank you for asking
[2:01:39] that question. That employees
[2:01:42] still has not returned back
[2:01:44] from her leave. So we haven't
[2:01:45] had the opportunity to allow
[2:01:45] her to do that since she has
[2:01:49] not returned back from leave.
[2:02:00] Would there be any harm in
[2:02:03] How long has she been out?
[2:02:10] At least she has been out.
[2:02:13] That information in front of
[2:02:14] me. So I guess I would be that
[2:02:17] MAY be giving accurate
[2:02:19] information. But I no the
[2:02:23] recent information that we have
[2:02:25] received from her. I was in
[2:02:28] regards to a doctor note with
[2:02:29] some being out sometime in
[2:02:32] July. Up until this time, she
[2:02:40] has not returned.
[2:02:41] Has to be carefully.
[2:02:43] Looked at in terms of whether
[2:02:47] or not there's an to this
[2:02:48] person or like and I know
[2:02:51] that's not really the subject
[2:02:54] matter here, I I'm sensitive
[2:02:59] to those questions.
[2:03:00] So if she does request.
[2:03:03] Reinstatement after her medical
[2:03:04] leave.
[2:03:07] Which you have an opportunity
[2:03:11] to make that request.
[2:03:11] That and the request is in
[2:03:12] regards to accommodating her
[2:03:16] to complete the training.
[2:03:17] That is that the question?
[2:03:18] No, I don't know what kind of
[2:03:20] accommodation she MAY or MAY
[2:03:23] not need. I'm just wondering
[2:03:26] whether or not your rescinding
[2:03:28] the promotion.
[2:03:33] But she's still employed.
[2:03:36] Yes, she is still employed.
[2:03:40] She's not return back from that
[2:03:41] accommodations that are
[2:03:44] required, we will engage in
[2:03:45] that interactive process with
[2:03:46] hair and follow that city
[2:03:53] process. With regards to that.
[2:03:58] Just
[2:04:00] Why
[2:04:00] this particular individual, I'm
[2:04:03] sure if they're promoting, they
[2:04:07] have to go through.
[2:04:08] A probationary period.
[2:04:12] The probationary period.
[2:04:19] It this wasn't rescinded by us.
[2:04:20] No, I think that the the
[2:04:23] promotion it's to a position.
[2:04:25] That she will still have her
[2:04:27] old position to go back to.
[2:04:33] That yes.
[2:04:36] If this wasn't enough for us.
[2:04:40] This individual would have to
[2:04:41] probationary period because
[2:04:45] it is a new position for her
[2:04:47] work in, I believe so. So this
[2:04:50] is essentially a promotion from
[2:04:52] a call taker to a dispatcher.
[2:04:53] And that requires that they
[2:04:55] complete a certain amount of
[2:04:58] training to be the dispatcher.
[2:04:59] The promotion was approved, but
[2:05:02] contingent upon completing the
[2:05:04] training. That is a that was a
[2:05:05] little unusual, but it was
[2:05:07] thought that given the upcoming
[2:05:08] AUGUST recess and how close
[2:05:12] these individuals were, that
[2:05:14] exception was warranted.
[2:05:15] So that's the situation we find
[2:05:18] ourselves in now. And I do
[2:05:21] understand that point.
[2:05:23] And I do understand the chair's
[2:05:33] point in that we want to make
[2:05:36] training. If you will. If we
[2:05:38] rescinded this.
[2:05:41] This individual would go back
[2:05:43] to the
[2:05:44] old position and would not
[2:05:49] necessarily be eligible for
[2:05:51] promotion and chill. Some later
[2:05:56] period. Yes, some individual
[2:05:59] role.
[2:06:10] The reason for. Asking.
[2:06:11] To rescind this is to allow
[2:06:14] another individual to step into
[2:06:17] that role.
[2:06:17] Assuming the answer is no.
[2:06:20] But I'll let the department to
[2:06:27] answer that.
[2:06:28] Where I don't think that she
[2:06:32] would be taking another spot at
[2:06:34] this time. But when there is
[2:06:37] another class that's available
[2:06:38] to do that, we certainly would
[2:06:41] put her back into that to
[2:06:43] achieve obtaining that other
[2:06:45] level of echo role. Do we know
[2:06:48] when that might that next class
[2:06:51] might be? Because I think it
[2:06:54] speaks to.
[2:06:55] The chairs. Want to ensure that
[2:06:58] there's an accommodation within
[2:07:00] a reasonable timeframe.
[2:07:00] Training department. I don't
[2:07:03] have that with me right now.
[2:07:09] It makes in my mind, it makes
[2:07:15] sense to rescind this right.
[2:07:16] If if there is an upcoming date
[2:07:19] pit, this individual could
[2:07:20] possibly fall within.
[2:07:23] Then I don't know if I would
[2:07:25] vote to rescind it.
[2:07:26] Yeah, right. Understanding it's
[2:07:33] a timing issue right? Exactly.
[2:07:38] Get some clarity. If I recall
[2:07:41] correctly, when we had
[2:07:43] candidates were very close to
[2:07:47] the completion of the training.
[2:07:48] Do you know how close this
[2:07:49] person was to completion and
[2:07:52] do we have estimate as to when
[2:07:56] they'll return?
[2:07:59] With regards to the closeness
[2:08:01] of completion. I don't have
[2:08:02] that data right now. But I know
[2:08:05] at that time when we were
[2:08:08] reviewing the
[2:08:10] initial list, you know, their
[2:08:11] word variance exists between
[2:08:13] individuals and when they were
[2:08:14] finished Sheehan. But I I I
[2:08:16] would generally say, you know,
[2:08:22] they probably had like 5 or 6
[2:08:24] types of items to complete the
[2:08:28] list with regards to when this
[2:08:31] person will return, we don't
[2:08:32] have a specific date yet at
[2:08:35] this time from the individual
[2:08:36] we have been reaching out to
[2:08:38] her to talk with her, to
[2:08:41] understand that.
[2:08:44] With this individual have to
[2:08:45] do the training. Start over
[2:08:46] with the training or just
[2:08:48] complete the missing
[2:08:51] components.
[2:08:54] I would have to defer to the
[2:08:55] training department. They do
[2:08:57] sometimes have assessments and
[2:08:58] things that they will complete.
[2:09:01] You know, based on the length
[2:09:02] of time that there has been so
[2:09:05] so fire right now since that
[2:09:07] was approved back in JULY.
[2:09:10] We're already over a month's
[2:09:14] time with her. Having that gap.
[2:09:17] Okay. And practically speaking
[2:09:18] since the promotion was
[2:09:29] contingent, it's not in effect
[2:09:32] doesn't really matter one way
[2:09:38] or the other. So what
[2:09:44] one thing that I can see.
[2:09:56] On fire. Second, that. Any
[2:09:57] discussion?
[2:10:03] All those in favor, please
[2:10:07] signify by saying Aye. I I and
[2:10:09] he posed any abstentions.
[2:10:11] Motion carries director, please
[2:10:13] not read the items under the
[2:10:15] fire department starting with
[2:10:18] item 14 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 0,
[2:10:19] resolution relating to the
[2:10:20] promotion of Dennis m see them
[2:10:23] to the emergency vehicle
[2:10:24] mechanic 3 position.
[2:10:26] Do any of the commissioners
[2:10:33] have any comments or questions
[2:10:34] The department wish to.
[2:10:35] I provide in a statement
[2:10:37] regarding this promote this
[2:10:42] promotion?
[2:10:44] Yes, this is Chief Lipski.
[2:10:45] Hearing this one point of
[2:10:46] clarification. It's not a
[2:10:49] promotion. It's a new hire.
[2:10:53] Oh, okay.
[2:10:54] He is eminently qualified.
[2:10:55] Will be happy to have him in
[2:10:58] this capacity. Think you so
[2:11:00] much.
[2:11:01] Ok? Well, we need good
[2:11:04] mechanics to keep those rigs
[2:11:10] Brolin. Is there a motion on
[2:11:13] second, any discussion?
[2:11:14] At this is listed here as a
[2:11:17] promotion. It is that most be a
[2:11:20] being promoted into a position.
[2:11:30] Me because but do we need a
[2:11:35] All those in favor, please
[2:11:35] any opposed any abstentions
[2:11:38] motion carries director, please
[2:11:43] proceed with the agenda.
[2:11:44] Item, 15 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 1,
[2:11:45] resolution relating to the
[2:11:48] promotion without examination
[2:11:48] of Keith Anderson to the
[2:11:51] painter, 3 position. And I hope
[2:11:54] this is a promotion.
[2:11:57] Chief lipski. What can you tell
[2:12:04] us about this item?
[2:12:07] Keith we'll enjoy a promotion
[2:12:08] of so approved. He is
[2:12:12] incredibly qualified. He's been
[2:12:13] with us since 2020 does all
[2:12:17] manner of incredible things.
[2:12:18] Not only just keeping our
[2:12:22] facilities are kept up, making
[2:12:33] artist and a craftsman. Thank
[2:12:35] approval. Second.
[2:12:36] Okay. This is a genuine
[2:12:38] promotions. So we will take a
[2:12:40] roll call. Vote. Commissioner
[2:12:45] Burgos. Commissioner Evans.
[2:12:48] Commissioner Fund. I
[2:12:49] Commissioner Amy. Commissioner
[2:12:52] Snyder. I Commissioner Spence.
[2:12:55] Commissioner Rob Patterson.
[2:13:00] And the chair votes. Aye motion
[2:13:06] carries please proceed with
[2:13:07] the agenda item 16 f pc,
[2:13:08] 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 2, resolution
[2:13:09] rescinding the appointments to
[2:13:12] the firefighter position for
[2:13:15] rescissions.
[2:13:18] Okay.
[2:13:20] These rescissions because they
[2:13:22] wouldn't that able to complete.
[2:13:23] Yes, they either withdrew from
[2:13:26] the process or did not complete
[2:13:30] pre-employment King.
[2:13:35] Do any commissioners have
[2:13:39] 0nd. Okay. Any other comment
[2:13:40] or discussion?
[2:13:43] All those in favor. Please
[2:13:48] signify by saying by saying
[2:13:51] abstentions
[2:13:55] motion carries director, please
[2:13:56] proceed item. 17 pc,
[2:13:58] 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 3, resolution
[2:13:59] rescinding the appointments to
[2:14:02] the fire cadet position for
[2:14:09] rescissions.
[2:14:21] Discussion.
[2:14:23] Okay. The now take a voice vote
[2:14:25] on this item all in favor.
[2:14:31] Please signify by saying Aye,
[2:14:32] abstentions. Motion carries
[2:14:36] director, please proceed with
[2:14:37] the agenda. Moving on to the
[2:14:38] items under the police
[2:14:41] department starting with item
[2:14:43] 18 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 4,
[2:14:44] resolution relating to the
[2:14:45] promotion of Christopher for
[2:14:45] Christopher Ferguson to the
[2:14:48] maintenance assistant position.
[2:14:52] Okay. Do any commissioners have
[2:14:55] any comments or questions
[2:14:56] regarding this item?
[2:15:02] MADAM Chair, yes of approval of
[2:15:03] discussion.
[2:15:04] I will take a roll call vote in
[2:15:07] alphabetical Order.
[2:15:10] Commissioner Bill Gross.
[2:15:15] Commissioner Evans.
[2:15:17] Commissioner Amy.
[2:15:18] Commissioner Snyder High
[2:15:21] Commissioner World Patterson.
[2:15:24] The chair votes aye motion
[2:15:27] carries director. Please
[2:15:31] proceed with the agenda.
[2:15:31] Item. 19 of pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8,
[2:15:33] 4, resolution relating to the
[2:15:35] request to waive rule 11
[2:15:40] Section 2, a for to police.
[2:15:40] Can a member of the department
[2:15:44] please provide an overview of
[2:15:47] this request?
[2:15:52] And a good meeting. MADAM Chair
[2:15:54] So we have our last class of
[2:15:57] the year class 3 of 2026.
[2:15:59] Starting on DECEMBER 7.
[2:16:01] And when we were kind of
[2:16:02] looking at and we're still
[2:16:03] going through the applications.
[2:16:04] So we're not quite sure how big
[2:16:05] the class is going to be, but
[2:16:05] it is also going to have a
[2:16:08] number of police police say,
[2:16:10] isn't it? We do have to police
[2:16:11] age that fall just short.
[2:16:13] I'll get to that in a second
[2:16:17] of the age requirement to be
[2:16:18] 21. We have police say Gordon,
[2:16:20] who's been with us since AUGUST
[2:16:22] of 25. So he does he will have
[2:16:24] had about a year and 4 months.
[2:16:27] And by the time the class
[2:16:32] starts and he has a birth date
[2:16:33] 3 days after started the
[2:16:36] academy class that we have
[2:16:37] police $0.08 who's been with us
[2:16:40] since JULY. 24. So I have about
[2:16:43] 2 and a half years in.
[2:16:45] When the class starts in
[2:16:48] DECEMBER and his birthday is
[2:16:50] DECEMBER 13th of 2005. So we
[2:16:53] have 2 individuals to highly
[2:16:55] motivated young adults who are
[2:16:56] going to be 21 win. The class
[2:16:59] starts but they'll be 21 by the
[2:17:00] end of the first week of
[2:17:02] that class, we understand and
[2:17:03] I spoke and executive director
[2:17:04] about this. There are a number
[2:17:05] of steps they would have to
[2:17:07] complete. None of which I don't
[2:17:11] think our impossible overcome.
[2:17:12] For instance, they're already
[2:17:13] employed with The background
[2:17:16] check was already done. You
[2:17:17] would have to be updated.
[2:17:22] They have to take their prt
[2:17:26] physical readiness test.
[2:17:28] It's built into their
[2:17:29] curriculum is regularly of
[2:17:31] testing on their physical
[2:17:32] fitness, prepare them for the
[2:17:34] academy. And since we're
[2:17:38] allowing those who are ready,
[2:17:39] applicants who had failed the
[2:17:40] prt previously to test and
[2:17:42] passed up until the start of
[2:17:43] the class. I don't believe that
[2:17:47] that's impossible to overcome.
[2:17:48] And that just leaves the
[2:17:52] psychological test. And since
[2:17:53] we have 3 months between now
[2:17:53] and the start of the class, we
[2:17:57] do believe that it's possible
[2:18:01] for them to get him in, get
[2:18:04] that on and then see
[2:18:09] them successfully and to the
[2:18:12] waived for these 2 find young
[2:18:19] individuals.
[2:18:21] A board fpc board ruled that
[2:18:24] they have to be 21 before they
[2:18:28] enter a class. From police say
[2:18:29] 2 police officers.
[2:18:31] And and that the question is
[2:18:35] whether or not to waive that
[2:18:44] rule and limited term of these
[2:18:50] when appropriate houses
[2:18:51] I do have a good faith.
[2:18:54] Disagreement with the assistant
[2:18:57] chiefs are now on this. I
[2:18:58] forwarded an e-mail from Fpc
[2:19:01] staff to the commissioners to
[2:19:05] copies in the file
[2:19:07] well, I do appreciate isis are
[2:19:08] now Zephyr to get as many
[2:19:09] officers and police aids into
[2:19:11] our classes as soon as
[2:19:11] possible. That's something that
[2:19:15] generally speaking is my goal
[2:19:18] as well. That said, I do feel
[2:19:22] in this particular instance,
[2:19:22] there is not in my opinion
[2:19:26] sufficient justification for
[2:19:28] waiving the rule, given that
[2:19:31] there will be an Adu next class
[2:19:32] in MARCH. So 3 or 4 months
[2:19:33] later, it's not as if they
[2:19:34] would have to wait an
[2:19:37] additional year. It's a matter
[2:19:40] of months. More importantly,
[2:19:42] though, I do think that this
[2:19:44] would if not be impossible,
[2:19:48] would be very for fpc staff to
[2:19:50] complete this. Given the timing
[2:19:53] of the request coming after
[2:19:56] pre-employment has
[2:19:58] already started the rspca human
[2:20:00] resource officer who deals with
[2:20:01] police lays out in his e-mail
[2:20:05] and some detail why that would
[2:20:07] be very difficult. And just I
[2:20:07] think that's another factor as
[2:20:10] to why the request should not
[2:20:19] be granted.
[2:20:20] Some hesitancy and this, too,
[2:20:26] but it's about waiving a rule
[2:20:27] that what's the slippery s#
[2:20:27] #
[2:20:27] #
[2:20:27] #
[2:20:30] here? It is compelling that
[2:20:31] it's within the week but would
[2:20:35] not be compelling if it was
[2:20:36] within a month. And where would
[2:20:40] we draw the line and future
[2:20:44] request for waiver?
[2:20:47] So there's that to consider as
[2:20:51] sure.
[2:20:56] With the police department.
[2:20:57] Well, 40 years, this is a
[2:20:57] regular occurrence. I can be
[2:21:02] classed do it to police aides
[2:21:07] who were. Allowed into the
[2:21:09] 34 years in the police
[2:21:14] department. Such a good time.
[2:21:19] He's been dozens of police
[2:21:24] event.
[2:21:33] Says issue, that's not a
[2:21:46] problem, should be a problem.
[2:21:49] Haven't read the email from
[2:21:55] Jordan, it clearly outlines how
[2:21:56] chilly impassable to get
[2:21:59] everything done in a timely
[2:22:00] fashion again, while it be
[2:22:05] great and every single one we
[2:22:06] worth everything we can do.
[2:22:10] But unfortunate. Just a bad run
[2:22:14] time of year for it to be
[2:22:23] that is true.
[2:22:24] To waive the the rule.
[2:22:26] Is there such motion and just a
[2:22:29] point of order? I think that
[2:22:32] would require a two-thirds.
[2:22:35] Vote to wave to rule moment.
[2:22:51] It's the potential.
[2:22:56] MAY not that this MAY not are
[2:22:59] these still interested?
[2:23:02] Everybody? Yeah, they're
[2:23:03] they're aware that, you know,
[2:23:06] it's it's contingent upon ftc
[2:23:09] approval. And are they still
[2:23:12] interested?
[2:23:13] Anyone coming becoming police
[2:23:16] officers and waiting until the
[2:23:19] next cycle?
[2:23:21] Yes, as I said, they're they're
[2:23:21] motivated young adults. And
[2:23:22] they understand that we saw
[2:23:25] this as an opportunity to get
[2:23:28] them. And now rather than wait
[2:23:29] 3 months because it is also a
[2:23:31] significant bump in pay going
[2:23:33] from police say the recruiting
[2:23:37] officer, they would then
[2:23:38] JUNE class, rather than have to
[2:23:41] wait to start to MARCH and then
[2:23:42] graduate in OCTOBER. So and
[2:23:45] given the fact that we have
[2:23:48] class, one of 26 is currently
[2:23:52] at 28 with 5 ladder. Also, 33
[2:23:55] in class 2. A 26 I'm to of.
[2:23:56] 26 is now at 28. Anything we
[2:23:59] can do to increase class sizes.
[2:24:06] We are definitely going to
[2:24:09] explore. Thank you.
[2:24:13] Commissioner Burgos the year
[2:24:15] experience is that it was a
[2:24:17] loud routinely. If it they were
[2:24:20] turning. 21 within the same
[2:24:24] pay period. Is that right?
[2:24:25] Assistant chiefs are no.
[2:24:28] Are you aware of that? And then
[2:24:35] is that the history as I am
[2:24:35] aware that it happened
[2:24:36] previously. This is the first
[2:24:38] time I am aware of, though,
[2:24:39] that under Chief Norman, we
[2:24:42] have asked for the rules, be
[2:24:45] waived. Okay. Okay.
[2:24:52] I would suggest that if we're
[2:24:54] good, do they at that? We be
[2:24:57] consistent and perhaps have
[2:25:00] a footnote to the rule about
[2:25:02] the pay period.
[2:25:03] Period so that it's not, you
[2:25:04] know, 2 months later and
[2:25:07] somebody saying, well, I didn't
[2:25:11] get that.
[2:25:16] So that's that would be my
[2:25:19] being alluded to earlier about
[2:25:33] the email, I think that begins
[2:25:39] maybe leaving us to the call of
[2:25:40] even the eligible pool based on
[2:25:42] what I'm eating this e-mail as
[2:25:43] think this is not eligible for
[2:25:46] the MARCH class because he
[2:25:47] would have the 2 years. So I
[2:25:49] think I mean, I don't Huge
[2:25:51] issue that of the song, right
[2:25:52] foot. I just think there's
[2:25:55] other concerning issues
[2:25:56] outlined by the ftc that
[2:25:59] wouldn't even allow some of
[2:26:02] In fairness, the the two-year
[2:26:06] period was reduced to a year so
[2:26:08] that that's not a hindrance.
[2:26:14] Concern. My primary concern
[2:26:15] is with this being
[2:26:16] realistically possible and
[2:26:18] overburdening fpc staff Jordan
[2:26:20] is someone that works extremely
[2:26:22] hard. He has a lot on his plate
[2:26:23] and he does its job very well.
[2:26:26] And I want to be real sensitive
[2:26:32] and respectful of that. MADAM
[2:26:34] Am in agreement with
[2:26:37] Commissioner Amy. I don't
[2:26:38] necessarily have an issue
[2:26:41] fundamentally with the waiving
[2:26:42] of the rule in cases where the
[2:26:45] birthday is extremely close
[2:26:46] tonight.
[2:26:48] In a very sensitive to the need
[2:26:49] that we have to increase class
[2:26:50] size. And I think we hear that
[2:26:52] from the community all the
[2:26:54] time. I think I I just agree
[2:26:58] that my concern is with in this
[2:27:01] particular situation, the the
[2:27:02] feasibility, if start of the
[2:27:03] person that's responsible for
[2:27:04] getting this done is saying
[2:27:07] that it's not really possible
[2:27:10] to get it done.
[2:27:14] Okay. That. Okay. So with that
[2:27:16] in mind is do we need a motion
[2:27:21] to hold it to the call of the
[2:27:22] options you could. There could
[2:27:27] be a motion hold it or to place
[2:27:29] it on file or too.
[2:27:33] Approve. It approving it would
[2:27:41] Well, I need a motion of some
[2:27:42] Is there a motion to place the
[2:27:48] center filed a move to place?
[2:27:55] In favor. Please signify by
[2:27:59] Any opposed
[2:28:03] We have one dissent. That's
[2:28:04] fine.
[2:28:06] However, the majority voted.
[2:28:10] I so the motion carries.
[2:28:16] Director, please proceed.
[2:28:17] I'm 20 fpc 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 6
[2:28:18] resolution rescinding the
[2:28:21] appointments to the police
[2:28:24] officer transfer position.
[2:28:29] Do any commissioners have any
[2:28:33] questions about this?
[2:28:36] I guess not.
[2:28:41] MADAM Chair. Yes, move
[2:28:43] Okay.
[2:28:44] I'll take a voice vote on this
[2:28:47] item all in favor. Please
[2:28:50] signify by saying Aye.
[2:28:53] Any opposed.
[2:28:53] Any abstentions motion carries
[2:28:56] that director. Please proceed.
[2:29:00] Item. 21 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8,
[2:29:02] 7 resolution rescinding the
[2:29:03] appointments to the police
[2:29:06] officer position. 14
[2:29:08] rescissions.
[2:29:11] Chair. Yes, move approval.
[2:29:13] Second.
[2:29:15] Do any commissioners have any
[2:29:18] questions or comments? Any
[2:29:19] discussion?
[2:29:22] I'll take a voice vote on this
[2:29:24] matter. All in favor. Please
[2:29:27] signify by saying Aye. Aye and
[2:29:30] he opposed.
[2:29:32] Any abstentions. Motion carries
[2:29:35] director, please proceed item.
[2:29:36] 22 f pc 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 8,
[2:29:38] resolution rescinding the
[2:29:40] appointments to the police say
[2:29:40] position 3 rescissions. Chair.
[2:29:44] Yes, move approval. Second.
[2:29:53] U.S. Is there any discussion?
[2:29:55] I'll take a voice vote on this
[2:29:57] item all in favor. Please
[2:30:01] signify by saying Aye, aye.
[2:30:02] Aye. Aye. Any opposed any
[2:30:07] abstentions motion carries
[2:30:09] director, please proceed.
[2:30:10] 23 f pc 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 9
[2:30:11] resolution rescinding the
[2:30:11] appointments to the police
[2:30:12] district, administrative
[2:30:15] assistant position to
[2:30:16] rescissions.
[2:30:20] We seem to have a whole lineup
[2:30:24] of these guys and chair.
[2:30:26] Approval?
[2:30:26] Second. Okay. All right.
[2:30:29] Great. I don't think there's
[2:30:30] any discussion.
[2:30:31] I will take a voice vote on
[2:30:34] this item all in favor. Please
[2:30:37] signify by saying Aye. Aye.
[2:30:41] Annie opposed any abstentions.
[2:30:42] Motion carries director, please
[2:30:43] proceed with the agenda that
[2:30:45] concludes the agenda. MADAM
[2:30:46] Chair.
[2:30:49] Do I have a motion to adjourn?
[2:30:50] The move?
[2:30:55] Second second second, 3rd, 4th