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well. Where are the flags? Oh.

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oh. Let me go. Not to call anyone out.

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good. No, it's not like I'm here. They're all over you guys.

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no, no. Hmm. Good evening, everyone.

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today is tuesday, september eighth, 2026. The time is practically 5:05

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p.m.. We will now call to order this special city commission meeting

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which is our first budget hearing for fiscal year 2027. Please silence or turn off your

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cell phones. Madam clerk, if you can call the roll please.

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>> yes? Mayor fernandez. President commissioner

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rodriguez. Hear, hear. Commission here we have a

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quorum. >> thank you. Please stand for a brief moment

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of silence and we'll ask commissioner bonis to lead us in the pledge of allegiance

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. Dear mr.. Thank you.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which

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it stands one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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>> please be seated. So the pledge? Yeah.

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>> madam clerk, if you can please read item one on tonight's agenda.

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yes. I don't want an ordinance of the mayor and city

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commission of the city of water adopting a proposed millage rate for the fiscal year

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commencing october 1st, 2026 through september 30th, 2027 which amount may be a at their

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first or second reading and adopting the final millage one second reading.

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>> thank you period item two as well please an ordinance that the mayor city commission or

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the city of south main thought of adopting a tentative budget for this city for a fiscal year

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commencing october 1st, 2026 and in this september 30th 2027.

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and which budget may be the first or second reading of this ordinance adopting the final

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budget on second reading providing for the salaries and expenses of the city commission

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and officers as required by the city's charter. >> thank you madam clerk.

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mr. Manager will recognize you for presentation and open the public hearing.

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yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, mayor.

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I'm going to turn it over to our cfo. But just as a follow up, a

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reminder july 21st we had a budget workshop at. And also you had your set your

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preliminary millage. Since then obviously we continue to update the budget

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based on, you know, newer information or other changes. So today will highlight some

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things that may have been mentioned before and then take you through some of the changes

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to kind of close the gaps on what changed from july 2nd to now.

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first budget hearing and certainly we will take your questions and direction after

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the cfo and answer any questions that you may have. You recognize something?

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>> good evening, mayor. Vice mayor commission I have a brief presentation just to go

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over. It's I'm going to be covering some of the stuff I've already

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spoken about just touch upon certain items from the workshop, some of the revisions

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that have occurred since that workshop and then any questions you may have along the way?

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>> by all means please. So what you have before you proposed is the proposed fiscal

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year 27 budget 3.9500 millage that incorporates the existing millage for from fiscal year

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2026 cost of living increase 2.6 based on on consumer price index.

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amendment three still on horizon everybody I think was well aware on november 3rd

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there will be a ballot question that will be determined by the voters.

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aside from that, something important I think to mention is every two years the tax and

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budget reform commission are required to to get together. They're expected to reconvene

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in 2020 7th january january is when they're supposed to meet in 2027 and then whatever

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they do every 20 years we want to clarify from the date every 20 years I apologize.

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okay. I thought I was going to say you'll see an item if they come

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to an agreement on any tax reform you'll see the november 2028 referendum.

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>> so the only reason I mention that is because if amendment three passes or doesn't pass

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they are still going to meet and they're going to be discussing for municipalities

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and the state the tax structure and revenues and make recommendations which couldn't

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be before the voters at that time in this budget there's two additional new positions.

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one is a police officer which is funded from the cops grant so that's incorporated in this

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an additional public works assistant director position in the fiscal year 27 budget.

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those are the only two new positions just on budget highlights we have in the

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budget in non-departmental we have acquired or replaced $100,000 for the celebration

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of our 100th year. That is something that will be taking place next year and

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there'll be multiple activities. We have $100,000 to fund some

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of those activities in their city attorney just giving some an increase of 47,500 in

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aggregate requested from the city attorney's office was 27,500 for sort of excluded

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services which are mentioned there and then additional 20,000 which is brought over

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from police department that we used to have for litigation on arbitration cases.

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we decided to put it in a centralized location to under the city attorney's but it's

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all we're doing is just reallocating the $20,000 from one department to the other

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within the city clerk there is an additional 41,890 that's for the public records

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management system something that we've already put in place.

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it's an expenditure that replaces our previous expenditure of closed

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captioning contractual services . So that's something new that

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is in that budget in fiscal year 27 that you'll see something that we just looked

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at in finance that we found interesting we were looking at so our expenditures our total

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expenditures in all funds is $50 million. Well how much are we throughout

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all the funds? How much are we appropriating say 2% police personnel, 18%

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all other per city personnel, 21% capital investments which are capital projects throughout

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the different funds makes up about 32% and all other expenditures about 2,929%.

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so I just thought it was something interesting to share. That's what the breakdown

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is related to the fiscal year proposed 2027 budget what are the changes the changes from

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the workshop that was conducted on july 21st to today? One that I think everybody has

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seen voted on at the last august 18th regular commission meeting.

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health insurance we received health insurance premiums. You voted on it.

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that was an increase from in the workshop from what we anticipated how we offset those

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we increased our interest revenue and in our investments our liability insurance an item

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that you have before you tonight we found some savings on the lines of general

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liability property auto and building permit inspection fund transfer, an increase of 44,329

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that they will be contributing to the general fund transferring in to offset some

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of the costs that we perform on their behalf. Other things that have changed.

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building permit again 2446 that was increased that comes from health insurance glb we have an

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appropriation of $500,000 from the state. We finally have our f dot

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preliminary agreement and we're reviewing it. It requires a 20% match.

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we're just accounting for that 20% match that at the time of the workshop we had and had

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that agreement to know that it was a 20% match requirement holiday parking late increased

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in some moneys was previously a 55 one up to 63 pukes park volleyball renovations 70,000

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we've increased it to 80,000. We went out to bid prices came in much greater than what we

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anticipated. We made some modifications to the the design going back out

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what we expect about $10,000 more in cost with this new design that we put together

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brewer park enhancements to the park, certain improvements to the park we increased it for

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safety and so on. >> so property tax just to go back I said we budget was

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prepared with a 3.95 mils 95% of that gives you 12,000,012.7 million in in property tax

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revenue and 95% which is about an increase of $1 million. Just to put it in perspective

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in the proposed fiscal year 27 budget, some just three major items so you could see the cola

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and merit excluding fringe and excluding new positions is about 384,000.

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that's just called the merit health insurance increase was a 320,000 and underlying

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maintenance one of the expenditures that's incorporated in the proposed

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fiscal year 27 budget is about 225 giving $929,000 of of expenditures that increased in

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the budget in 2027. Madam police commissioner, I it when we look at our revised

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budgets and where we may have pressure points and possibilities of fall through

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based on november election on and on and on and on I think it's irresponsible of us to pay

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$225,000 to the underlying when you look at that number in relationship to everything else

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I just think it's not fiscally sound. I think we want to continue to

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contribute. Let's give them the same $75,000 we gave them before.

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I just don't think we're in a position no matter how unattractive it may be to say

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that we can't do it. I mean when you look at health insurance revenue coming in at

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$210,000 more than we were expecting and we find ourselves pinching here, there and

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everywhere trying to find it, we've prioritized police budgets in needs versus wants.

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you know, we've we've seen this kind of across the board to then pay no attention to that

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line item and continue like if it was business as usual I think is to be sure I don't

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take any I don't take any exception what you're saying with the exception of your

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characterizing it because there's lots of conversation that we've had here that I

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could characterize as irresponsible. It's I know we can discuss if

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it's something I'd like to move out of the budget we can consider it.

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but I mean we voted to add staff in the last five years which I objected to.

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we voted to approve a cops grant which I objected to not that we don't have all those

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needs but they all add costs as well. And so and again we can we can

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debate the relative merits of all those things. I just don't I think for the

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benefit of everyone on days and so we keep a conversation to the facts let's just not

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characterize us investing in a particular way is irresponsible because there are there are

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myriad ways we can talk about investments as not being positive negative.

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I think it's an item if you want to discuss it on the table.

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happy to hear your concerns about it. Also know there's a broader

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conversation that's ongoing regarding maintenance contributions by third party

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cities. We're other cities may fall out of the funding mix and in that

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case I would certainly support pulling our money back as well. So let's have the conversation

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without ascribing sort of a negative connotation to it we can put whatever word you you

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guys feel comfortable with I'm comfortable with the word I said okay, but you guys can

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move it forward however it is that pleases the dais here. I just think we have a lot

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going on and I well I understand other cities have a lot going on too and I think

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great for them. I'm just worried about us. I know that sounds horrible

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because I don't know a nice way of saying that I don't care what anybody else is doing.

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I that's I'm saying it and I understand that's not the nicest way to say it.

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I just don't have a better way of saying it. So it's on the table.

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I don't know when is the appropriate time to have that conversation but I imagine it's

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sooner versus later because it is here. >> yeah I was I thought we

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would wait for the presentation to be done if we have questions and then we want to take up

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items after the public hearing where we can remove items. Certainly you can have a

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conversation what comes and what comes out. So we'll note that for your

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parking lot please continue transportation discussion direct transit we receive

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funding 20% must be used for direct transit direct transit being mass transit moving large

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quantities of persons or people which 20% reflects about $150,000 of revenue.

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our current existing v a program metro connect program is about 306 annually 210,000

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is being subsidized from the general fund under the proposed fiscal year 27 budget.

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it would be the first budget that we're actually using general fund money and not

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unspent or reserve monies that were specifically allocated for this type of service stormwater

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drain trust fund in this budget there are and I'll share the c ip these are the c I p capital

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projects that are embedded in the stormwater trust fund in this budget as prepared we also

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are are expecting an rate increase of your you from $54 which was adopted in 2002 and

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hasn't been updated to we're doing a rate study and it looks like it's going to be around

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$222. What's going to be recommended to make the stormwater drain

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trust fund whole? In other words self-serve efficient the system.

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so in this budget we have 900 and 980 some thousand dollars of cip projects based on

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october 1st on march 1st adopting a rate or beginning the rate of $222.

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before we move on, I have a question on that. We can go back yes of course we

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have some very small light items here. You in the manager the $90,000

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design improvement, the $40,000 design improvement is there a way we can kind of roll those

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up? I mean is it more economical for us to roll them out under

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one request for design proposals and have one firm handle both or I was one

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of the jobs was too small that would have any interest in doing them at that level and

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are you the manager or mr. Kulick yeah, sometimes there there could be officials

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economies of scale with it don't really know until somebody actually would bid on

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it, you know, okay, technically but we can certainly explore that.

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so there could be an opportunity potentially and beyond that I don't know that

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we'll know the answer. >> you know these are projects that are I guess under are

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what's the situation what's the name of the statute kenny pre-selected vendors is there

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irritation is design professionals available that we would offer these two or how

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are we going to procure these? >> alex munoz director of public works I was just

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looking at the list more closely so yes there is a rotation.

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we have the six firms in the pool. There's a couple of projects

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there that we could one of them is as you go which is miscellaneous drainage.

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the other one is the stormwater master plan implementation. That's going to be a whole

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separate animal base when we get back that study but there's two there that we could combine

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to your point whether that's the manager side, whether people bid out or not is a

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different story but there's definitely two and we can look at things that way.

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we actually have talked about doing that a little bit internally and then as to the

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last line item of the $240,000 what what's in that catchall and my my concern mr. Munoz and

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I expressed to mr. A rolling briefing is we are going from a $55 a unit area to 220.

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>> is that the right number? 54 to 222? Okay, 54 to 222 and we're going

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we're doing that all within one fiscal year. And so I've albeit it's being

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billed out quarterly as opposed to being assessed in one lump sum.

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so the question I had is how much the 240,000 do we anticipate expanding or

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appropriating before the end of this fiscal year? We haven't seen the projects

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yet. Okay. >> so it's hard to say.

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okay. And again all of the 200 all the $224 is required to get us

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to the $983,000 fund balance to begin those projects again. I mean just for conversation

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I'd just like to understand what if this is necessary to appropriate this year in terms

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of our fee increase as opposed to doing it over a couple of years so we can get to this

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fund balance again, I don't want to be taxing people for dollars we're not spending

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concurrently. Okay. Thank you for that.

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you may he may ask a question. Anyone else have a question on this item?

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okay. So I'll go to commissioner one each and then commissioner

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rodriguez with the stormwater management master plan. >> I'm trying to visualize it

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in my head. So what we will end up with there is similar to what we

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ended up with the roads and the sidewalks where it's a you know it's telling us green, yellow,

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red and a plan of how we're going to attack that it'll it'll identify opportunities

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for projects to do so so you know it'll give us a blueprint .

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these are the things that you should be doing to to become more resilient and have our

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infrastructure meet whatever demands are out there. So you know it'll be the cheat

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sheet if you will that then projects come from that and otherwise these projects have

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been substantially supported by general fund money property taxes okay because a stormwater

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rate fee is hasn't been realized or actualized because it's since you know 24 to 23

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years so the burden becomes a general fund property tax. You know the the concern the

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mayor has is is making up that that increase although wouldn't kick in till march and although

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it would be built on a quarterly basis they're trying to make up a long time but

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certainly the expenses in the projects are there or even project that we've done that we

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can from an accounting standpoint move from general fund to stormwater purely

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eligible we have plenty of those as well and so yeah we're trying to shift the

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model. I'm not speaking to the timing ,I'm just saying the concept

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wise we're trying to shift the model from general fund to ratepayer right to support you

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know these projects that are eligible for yeah and just to put a finer point on the

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manager's comment there's my concern is that unlike our property tax bill there's no

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with this scheme there's no protection for people on fixed income so they get they get

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passed along that cost the same as anyone else because there's not not subject to any sort

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of ad valorem exemption or any sort of save our homes protection.

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so for that person on fixed income they pay it's again relatively speaking because

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we're doing it. I think kudos to mr. Overall because we're doing the way

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we're doing where we are taking responsibility for the assessment and doing it as part

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of our water bill as opposed to on our annual assessment it comes in phased in so it's a

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much more manageable increase gradually but still I just want to make sure that when we do it

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you know we're doing it and it's not hitting the line item for more than what we need in

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27. I do think we need to go to the to 24 and adjusted annually and

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keep to keep pace with inflation so okay and then just so that I am clear when we get

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this master plan I'm making this up the culvert on so-and-so street is read the

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you know cleaning of the canal and so and so street is yellow are out of that so that when we

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pick these things off we're not going from your city needs culvert repair like no duh

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where how badly like that yes it will provide us where we're deficient and where these

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opportunities are and then we and then we execute on that master plan.

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I mean, you know, won't be done all in one year. Obviously we'll have to

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prioritize. Thank you. So I think my answer was

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answered in little bits and pieces throughout. First these cip projects are

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already allocated on to our general fund as of right now all these stormwater these are

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proposed for fiscal year 27 if if approved these are on as part of general fund stormwater

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fund stormwater dependent on a rate change of approximately $222.

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>> correct? Correct. So okay so these are nowhere on

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our crb as of right now they're ownership funded by stormwater. So if you look at this the five

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year cip you'll see it there the project but it will say funding source stormwater drain

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trust fund okay because I just for clarification I think if we were to look maybe a year ago

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when we started planning some of these you may have found some under cap general fund

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funded, right? Correct and so and so in in right sizing the model of going

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to a ratepayer right and what should be the right rate I'm assuming that we probably

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converted some and I don't know exactly but we can look I probably assume that we

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converted some from general fund to the stormwater rate. So okay so there's been a

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reallocation that's a reallocation. So as I guess this would go

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into effect in march march 1st is what we're proposing with proposing as money start coming

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in we then start deciding on which projects to then start working on because we have for

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example I know this one just because I've been personally dealing with it like the one on

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65th and 64th that's been already over a year that we've been working on it.

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so it says your construction in fiscal year 27 do we have the monies already allocated for

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that or is that something that we're going to wait on the stormwater for?

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>> that is a perfect example of one that will see ip funded in this fiscal year, correct?

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of which we've had issues and again public works can discuss on the design or getting back

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what's approved or not. So we decided let's move it because we're about to bid it

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or we haven't bid it yet but we're ready to 27 and put this as part of the project for the

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four stormwater. It's a stormwater project but it is dependent on a rate

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increase if it doesn't if the fund if the rate increase does not happen to the level needed

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we may not have enough monies to actually fulfill that project for a complete that

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project even though it was already on 26, correct? 100% that's correct.

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that's what I was trying to figure out. And just to add in in regards

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to what the mayor was saying, you're you're saying that we're basically have to go to the

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$217 in order to meet what we need to make these projects happen as proposed there on

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that sheet? >> yes. Okay.

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all right. Because I'm sorry. No, no, no.

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just I mean I I want to also be clear that that in fact we could go back to the c I p take

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a look at what's on that list and say, you know what? We're not going to do this and

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now free up some money. Okay. I just wanted to kind of be

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clear that that option is still available. I'm going to give the

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perception that that if the rate doesn't pass then we can't do it right?

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yeah, we could but something else is going to get sacrificed and then you're putting

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pressure on millage and property tax. Okay?

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this is the dynamic that we have, right? Okay.

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again and as the mayor would say, we also have to be sensitive.

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we spoke about it. You know, if you have $100 bill when you get to march, it's

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going to be $154 bill. So that's just something obviously you're telling us the

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importance of we need that money in order to do these projects.

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so but yeah, okay. >> that is based on the study that was done and conducted

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based on our historical projects and projects that are anticipated be the same rate

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study was done by the the individuals that are preparing the stormwater master plan.

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they're saying to have a fully functional self-sufficient stormwater drain trust fund to

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complete the needs 222 seems to be the right through rate. Okay thank you.

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good commissioner go ahead. I just had a quick question for dr. Munoz.

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what is the criteria for us to determine that these are bid ready?

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why why these particular projects like what what is the criteria for us to determine

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what's going to go forward with stormwater, you know, improvements what what are we

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using as a criteria? >> I mean this is they've been in design.

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the one in particular that was commissioner rodriguez was discussing has just been in

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design. We've gone through the design process and permitting with the

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county and it's ready to go in that regard. >> I understand I'm just asking

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like what is the criteria to get through that process? Like why why that st like what

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is it that we're using as a criteria to determine what's good good that's going to

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continue to happen when we go through the storm storage storm stormwater management planning

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right like they're going to have their own criteria. What is the differences in the

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criteria the determine that this was been based on just recurring flooding in the

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neighborhood and citizen complaints. I know that one is here before

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I got here it was just a historical area that floods all of these are based on resident

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complaints and going out and assessing making sure that you know that it's happening and

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that some type of project would fix it. Those are all responses the

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stormwater master plan is going to, you know, be a little more scientific in that regard.

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it's not going to be they do take that into consideration because they go to look but

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they're assessing those areas you know for a project specifically but these are all

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citizen complaints of the three of them. >> do you know what the

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scientific process moving forward going to look like? No.

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all right. Thank you. I was coming at me.

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yeah. Commissioner, to your point. Right.

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I mean some of these are generated by a complaint but obviously field observations

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you know, sometimes we get a heavy, heavy rain and if you drive at that moment you'll see

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a lot of standing water. But within 30 minutes it's probably gone right?

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so in those locations it just overwhelmed what was there but the system and or the swales

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did your job in some cases it does not, right? It just stands and it pools and

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some of these have been that. So when we bring in a consultant they go in, assess

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that and say hey why is this happening? And then they identify the

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deficiencies to what level of detail I can't really articulate at this point but

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the consultant will then take a look at it and say yeah, this is happening because of this.

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okay well then we need to fix that right? And so is that field

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observation that that then the consultant finds what the deficiency is and these are

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these are have had that journey no doubt that some of them are resident based that's that's

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who rings the bell first or we see it ourselves sometimes certainly not trying to respond

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to those that got overwhelmed because the rain that was so heavy sometimes it goes away

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it's fine you know 30 40 minutes later. So stormwater master plan you

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know takes that a little bit further. >> but each of these have been

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evaluated by a consultant to say there is a deficiency here and this is the way to to fix

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it right and I think yeah I think what I just wanted to get away from is like whoever

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screams the loudest usually gets whatever they want. So as we as we move into the

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21st century here and we start getting digital twins of our cities and understanding

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elevations of circulations across the city, those are the things scientifically we should

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be able to identify and move forward on that like what we're going to be doing the rest

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of the city. So that's what I look forward to when I look at the storage

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management plan. So make sure that we have an understanding, you know,

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digitally and technology wise on how and what gets determined as well.

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you know and as was stated, the one on their 65th floods significantly they've gone out

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they've based on the elevations based on the water flow, they've actually redesigned

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that project to address the flooding. So I believe you we get I know

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what you're saying but these were like the manager said assessed and the projects were

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needed so I'm just looking for yeah, thank you and commissioner recognize again

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can you please tell me what bio swale the drainage demonstration project is versus

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what we're doing everywhere else? It's 1234.

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>> the fourth line. Yep that's exactly what it sounds like and which would be

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a project to test out how to better manage stormwater. We would do it in an area where

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there's just very little green space so to create green space that looks good and manages

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water at the same time and then we would take that same concept and apply it somewhere else so

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that one is a demonstration project. We would pursue a grant for

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that one in addition to the funding from here and it would help us to solve problems

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elsewhere in the city esthetically and sometimes it becomes a catch basin but

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instead of just having like all concrete you see some vegetation that's part of that.

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that's why the bio aspect of it but it's it's definitely a way to to trap you know standing

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water in and but you see a lot of vegetation surrounding that infrastructure and vegetation

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that to help with that but it's like a catch basin if you will where you'll see the little

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four inch drain that's only a grill and these cases the bigger build out that and

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sometimes you see in urban areas you're walking by and you see a bunch of landscaping and

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when you look down and see almost like a excavation if you will and that's the catch basin

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thank you for the question your comments then. Okay, I'll continue please.

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>> and this is my final slide. My final slide is general fund as you know, that's our

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operating fund. That's where our day to day operations come from.

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we have a surplus of $40,000 after taking our operational revenue against our operational

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expenses and we have a unrestricted ated unreserved fund balance of 5.7 million

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estimate and with that that concludes my presentation. Thank you for your time.

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questions to mr. Overall before we open up the public hearing you recognize by the way I just

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wanted to add it's going back to your initial I have I have three items so for anyone one

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wants to add them for conversation I have underlying funding I wanted to discuss

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transit funding the 210 that's in this budget for general fund support and then the 150 that's

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required for etp spending and then storm water trust fund anything else we want to add by

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way of discussion items? Yes. Yes please.

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I'd like to add a brief conversation on the lot on 80th and us one as it relates to

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fuchs and the volleyball renovation. Okay.

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for the discussion items I'm on on pcp as well. Okay.

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anyone else is it I'd also mr. Revelle if you can and if you can give us a sense we

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obviously had some informing our budget, some assumptions about costs and whether we land

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this year, whether it's health insurance being a prime example, one that came well

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above probably what we estimated. Can you tell us where were the

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biggest changes in terms of our cost estimates because we were projecting going into not this

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year but also next year I think a pretty substantial surplus which is kind of underlying our

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whole plan to possibly to market and borrow to do public improvements.

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so can you give us a sense beyond health insurance where we have large drivers and costs

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or costs that exceeded our budgeted increases or projected increases for 27?

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oh yeah, sorry. >> so health insurance comes to mind obviously and I outlined

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it in the memo. Any other expenditures that have increased or from what I

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see from the estimate yeah. Yeah. Well for example what we

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budgeted call the cost of living increase at x and it came in at what it came in at

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estimated exactly what we anticipated because at 2.6 we're looking at 3.3% annually.

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if you look at it historically that's more or less where it falls on average sometimes it's

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upwards of six where those were the years of high inflation. Right now inflation for next

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year we're trying to get a hold of what it is it seems it's going to be greater than 3% for

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next year based on how the inflation is tracking right now.

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it started off great and then somehow we've gone into higher inflation rates so we're

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looking at that. But I'll our inflation hasn't been finalized.

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it won't be finalized until after december 31st. But right now inflation is a

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concern it is going to exceed for next fiscal year higher than the 3% that we anticipate.

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okay mayor, if I could please on that specific example the timing of when we look at

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inflation kind of sets that set in stone. I mean we when we look at it

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based on labor contract whatever going into july, we already know, right?

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so the 2.6 that we were allocating for this fiscal year will be that we're not so but

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we get that information early early on unlike health care where we start in june with a

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process and go through the you know, the broker and the proposals and all that and all

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the way into august at that point we you know, we're like right up to the line if you

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will. We don't know but but our cola based on when we look at it so

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people look at it at a later date in our case when the formula was 2.6 and that's what

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it's going to be it's not going to change you know, I understand.

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I just you know, there's been a lot of conversation between now and the end of the election

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cycle about, you know, what we're doing fiscally in terms of managing our budgets.

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and so, you know, we had a conversation I think our historic expense rate had been

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under increase about under 2% correct at this very time and you know, probably shocking for

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the public to hear that since 2000. Right.

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this government has less people than it had before. We had 156 total employees on

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payroll today where at 136 is that the right number? I think our position says 136

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so and shocked me preparing to go on the read of talk about this topic the county budget

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is also it's a 13.5% reduction in workforce over 26 years. The county has had a similar

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reduction workforce of about 7.5% it would be 20% but they added about 4000 employees in

418
00:35:36,994 --> 00:35:44,135
the last 8 to 10 years. So you know again I'm where we are seeing it looks like the

419
00:35:44,135 --> 00:35:50,474
only place that we may not be managing cost and again this is not intended to be in any

420
00:35:50,474 --> 00:35:54,878
way pejorative of what our staff does which I think he has done amazing job historically

421
00:35:54,878 --> 00:35:58,682
but where we struggle with costs containment is because everything has to pass through

422
00:35:58,682 --> 00:36:05,282
costs, right? Insurance, health care, etc. Maybe unemployment but but if

423
00:36:05,823 --> 00:36:10,427
it's fine but you know like other cities I think from a from a pension perspective

424
00:36:10,427 --> 00:36:13,830
we're not writing checks into our pension fund like a lot of other cities are to hit

425
00:36:13,830 --> 00:36:20,670
their targeted investment rate because we are fully funded or in excess of fully funded.

426
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:24,508
so mr. Overall, if we were to be self-critical of where we could do a better job managing

427
00:36:24,508 --> 00:36:29,380
our expense side of the ledger ,right since we're being criticized for taking in all

428
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:35,986
this revenue and being grossly misappropriated apparently you know per people at the state

429
00:36:35,986 --> 00:36:40,657
level where could we do a better job as a government in managing the expense side

430
00:36:40,657 --> 00:36:42,125
of the ledger? It's difficult to ask that question.

431
00:36:42,125 --> 00:36:45,495
I mean I'll tell you why because when we prepare this budget we take that into

432
00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:50,567
account exactly. So for me to say that we should be doing better in this, I

433
00:36:50,567 --> 00:36:52,269
would have already voiced and we would have incorporated it. Okay.

434
00:36:52,269 --> 00:36:58,542
so I can't truthfully I cannot answer that question but I think the budget that you have

435
00:36:58,542 --> 00:37:02,680
is as tight and as well and efficiently managed as possible just like the last three that

436
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,351
we've put together I will I will add yeah I mean certainly we had an experience where

437
00:37:07,351 --> 00:37:13,890
where it was challenging right on the cap side certain projects that that were sort

438
00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:18,695
of very summarily estimated based on the info that we had and then and then going to

439
00:37:18,695 --> 00:37:24,201
market you know was substantial more right and that we've dealt with you know over the last

440
00:37:24,201 --> 00:37:31,775
three years maybe I think that's become less and less but that that is an example I was a

441
00:37:31,775 --> 00:37:35,245
manager I put those in the in the again I think they're necessary investments because

442
00:37:35,245 --> 00:37:39,316
we don't invest in infrastructure degrades over time but they're kind of in the

443
00:37:39,316 --> 00:37:42,920
almost in the want to category but just talking about the day to day yeah nuts and bolts

444
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:49,660
operation example is something that had a big delta from from plan to and I would say those

445
00:37:49,660 --> 00:37:54,932
are it health care always comes in you know then in august and you know difficult for your

446
00:37:54,932 --> 00:37:58,669
health care is a we were projecting what kind of an increase for this budget in

447
00:37:58,669 --> 00:38:03,600
health care yeah in this particular budget we have I believe is 26 now I don't know

448
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:09,413
what we asking well we were forecasting 10% we came in at 30 roughly right?

449
00:38:09,413 --> 00:38:13,183
yeah. >> plus or minus a couple percent more report over the

450
00:38:13,183 --> 00:38:19,356
experience the loss ratio right came in than the yeah okay yeah so we're at that mercy of that

451
00:38:19,356 --> 00:38:23,294
loss ratio which we don't see until pretty much we're at the adoption of the budget.

452
00:38:23,294 --> 00:38:27,297
understood. And we're here and to their credit I mean it was a $200,000

453
00:38:27,297 --> 00:38:33,603
hit to the budget but we the last couple of weeks we recuperated only to a $40,000

454
00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:37,874
deficit. >> so I mean that's so on on that change.

455
00:38:37,874 --> 00:38:41,311
but to your point the 57 nine an additional interest income where's that what's that coming

456
00:38:41,311 --> 00:38:45,820
from what's the underlying assumption that you're changing there so when we were preparing

457
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:48,803
the budget for the workshop we didn't take into account that we were because we had the line

458
00:38:48,803 --> 00:38:54,442
of credit we paid for the bridge out of general fund. We replenish money from the gop

459
00:38:54,442 --> 00:38:58,680
into the general fund hence increasing the amount of interest income because we

460
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,150
had a new $3.4 million that we didn't account for in the workshop.

461
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:05,620
so that's where it's not made up. I didn't just so you didn't

462
00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:09,290
assume that the rate all sudden when we need $50 for an increase in the no it's okay

463
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:13,940
taking into account from that perfect right so I think I think to give some context to

464
00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:17,364
maybe what you're saying and the big picture of you know commissioner spoke about

465
00:39:17,364 --> 00:39:23,300
november you know I'll share and I think I shared it individually you know we had a

466
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:28,910
million dollars in our growth revenue as far as growth assessment three items took

467
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:33,280
three quarters of that pretty much cost of living health care and underlying right at the end

468
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,884
of the day so so you know before we start tacking on any contractual you know

469
00:39:36,884 --> 00:39:44,525
requirements whether it's labor or cost of living, coca-cola's embedded in contract or a

470
00:39:44,525 --> 00:39:48,763
little bit over three quarters of our budget our increase was eaten up by just three items,

471
00:39:48,763 --> 00:39:52,533
right? And and then the left of the balance was to deal with

472
00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:55,669
everything else. So those are challenges we've had reductions in a number

473
00:39:55,669 --> 00:39:59,741
of other areas that we reduced it there were requests that came in at higher levels that

474
00:39:59,741 --> 00:40:03,844
we didn't fund to that level and certainly you know we've continued to invest a little

475
00:40:03,844 --> 00:40:07,815
bit on the on the police side. It's been a multiyear effort because of the training that's

476
00:40:07,815 --> 00:40:11,318
been needed and more so now with you know, our younger demographics.

477
00:40:11,318 --> 00:40:16,224
but yeah, three items made up pretty much three quarters of $1 million but just wanted

478
00:40:16,224 --> 00:40:21,629
to get some of that into the conversations for the benefit of people maybe watching.

479
00:40:21,629 --> 00:40:28,402
okay we've got we've got five items can we add pedal on to there please?

480
00:40:28,402 --> 00:40:29,703
>> sure. Yes. I actually have that as a

481
00:40:29,703 --> 00:40:39,303
special revenue item as well you said below but down below. Yeah because it's okay where

482
00:40:40,781 --> 00:40:45,860
we'd like to start we'll start our line. Yeah.

483
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:49,190
okay. Do you want to go? Let's go right to left since

484
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:53,327
you gave us a preview of things to come mr. Calle go ahead. Look, I think that we made a

485
00:40:53,327 --> 00:40:59,767
commitment. You you know, I know 225,000 is a lot of money, but we never

486
00:40:59,767 --> 00:41:04,400
put any money into that parking besides the $75,000. What what else have we put in

487
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,276
there? >> if you look at the historic budget and mr. Riverol can tell

488
00:41:08,276 --> 00:41:13,647
you we actually gave I believe it was $25,000 a couple of years ago to some

489
00:41:13,647 --> 00:41:20,488
development for the underline so yes, we have okay. So if you counted that you've

490
00:41:20,488 --> 00:41:24,425
given $100,000 so far but considering all the municipalities and county we've

491
00:41:24,425 --> 00:41:28,462
given very little compared to the rest of our neighbors and we have a mile of it right in

492
00:41:28,462 --> 00:41:33,134
the center of our city I don't disagree with you that we think it's a little bit of expensive

493
00:41:33,134 --> 00:41:36,504
but we haven't really done much with it at all. Right.

494
00:41:36,504 --> 00:41:42,743
so what we what my my idea was when we made that $300,000 commitment was let's try to see

495
00:41:42,743 --> 00:41:46,447
how it works, how how they're doing it and if we don't like it we pull back after one year.

496
00:41:46,447 --> 00:41:49,383
I mean that's what we've been saying. Well least I've been saying

497
00:41:49,383 --> 00:41:52,453
that since day one. Let's give it a try and I'm sure the rest of the cities and

498
00:41:52,453 --> 00:41:56,190
counties along their trail with us are saying the same thing and that's what I'm hearing.

499
00:41:56,190 --> 00:42:00,194
so that's why I'm saying let's leave it on the budget for this year.

500
00:42:00,194 --> 00:42:04,231
we've committed to it. We said we would I don't really want to get back on our word

501
00:42:04,231 --> 00:42:10,771
that we said that as a commission but that's just my thought process.

502
00:42:10,771 --> 00:42:15,900
but I do agree with you just for the record sorry. You know, I can agree with you

503
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:21,582
that I think it's expensive. I, I can see where we could go in and committed one year like

504
00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:27,421
two things would be true at the same time. Have we actually given them the

505
00:42:27,421 --> 00:42:34,928
75,000 year we gave it to them the one that was allocated for 26 but they submitted the

506
00:42:34,928 --> 00:42:39,166
project completion was in july the grant the ribbon cutting yeah.

507
00:42:39,166 --> 00:42:42,503
shortly thereafter the invoice came in and we processed the invoice.

508
00:42:42,503 --> 00:42:45,172
oh wow. All right. So 75 more efficient also in

509
00:42:45,172 --> 00:42:49,576
finance. So yes, we have paid the 75,000 is in their coffers.

510
00:42:49,576 --> 00:42:56,584
>> I'm in the position I think I've watched it since the beginning in the same way that

511
00:42:56,584 --> 00:43:01,221
commissioner will teach us that I just find this to be a ton of money for a city of our size

512
00:43:01,221 --> 00:43:07,995
but I don't I also agree with commissioner geier as far as that you know we made a

513
00:43:07,995 --> 00:43:11,765
commitment to give it to them but a lot of things have changed.

514
00:43:11,765 --> 00:43:19,540
this whole property tax issue you know things are coming up and I would think that maybe

515
00:43:19,540 --> 00:43:23,610
what we could do is keep it on the budget. But prior to dispersing any

516
00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:28,282
monies assess where we're at and I think bring it to the commission and have the

517
00:43:28,282 --> 00:43:31,619
commission at that point decide you know what it is that we want to do.

518
00:43:31,619 --> 00:43:37,658
finally with that monies because ultimately it's in the general fund right?

519
00:43:37,658 --> 00:43:41,629
yes. So but you know that money is is for maintenance, you

520
00:43:41,629 --> 00:43:47,168
know, of the underlying. So I'm assuming that they're going to be letting contracts

521
00:43:47,168 --> 00:43:50,838
based on, you know, the expected income. So I just say that from the

522
00:43:50,838 --> 00:43:57,511
standpoint of they're probably going to want to see if it's in or not and if it is I'm sure

523
00:43:57,511 --> 00:43:59,646
they're going to act on that. Right. And so I just agree that that's

524
00:43:59,646 --> 00:44:03,160
a good point. I I mentioned this a long time ago.

525
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:12,660
I don't know have is there been any discussion as far as like if we can maintain our portion

526
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:16,263
of the mile of the underlying or is that a big no no to them ?

527
00:44:16,263 --> 00:44:20,734
I don't I haven't been part of any conversation to that detail.

528
00:44:20,734 --> 00:44:24,338
has it been talked about? Yes, we've talked about it and then I would have to defer in a

529
00:44:24,338 --> 00:44:28,142
meeting that I did not attend. I don't know if that ever came up with the underlying.

530
00:44:28,142 --> 00:44:32,790
you remember? No. So formally I have not been

531
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:33,881
part of any conversation with them that we've discussed it internally.

532
00:44:33,881 --> 00:44:40,254
yes. You know, maybe maybe what we can do is allocate the the

533
00:44:40,254 --> 00:44:48,950
labor, you know, to them to use it for for for our one mile where we are just simply paying

534
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:51,966
for the labor portion of it. I don't know I'm just trying to come up with ideas.

535
00:44:51,966 --> 00:45:01,375
I do think that 225 is a lot of money for us right now with so many unknowns that it I have

536
00:45:01,375 --> 00:45:11,375
a related question so when you also you can come up for a second can you remind me what

537
00:45:14,655 --> 00:45:21,734
do we spend to maintain the segment of us one the median from roughly 57th avenue to the

538
00:45:21,734 --> 00:45:28,607
city limits on the south that you one one portion could could you your third party correct

539
00:45:28,607 --> 00:45:32,812
the third part I can get you the exact amount it's the third party because it's the contract

540
00:45:32,812 --> 00:45:37,916
is three phases. It's byrd sunset and this one ballpark.

541
00:45:37,916 --> 00:45:42,154
what do we spend we have to look at or not up ahead? You don't you can't give me a

542
00:45:42,154 --> 00:45:45,624
I'm going to think that portion is like 80 for the year. >> they come out twice every

543
00:45:45,624 --> 00:45:50,963
other week. What are they what do they do? The whole contract is like 100

544
00:45:50,963 --> 00:45:53,990
high high 100. Remind me one of the state what does the state give us for the

545
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:55,768
maintenance just to run with 12,000. 13,000.

546
00:45:55,768 --> 00:46:03,709
so for that portion you know I feel the same way about the other ones they feel about that

547
00:46:03,709 --> 00:46:10,716
segment at some point we are I mean again, I don't know if we we don't use any of our labor

548
00:46:10,716 --> 00:46:13,920
against that a bad idea we don't use any of our labor to maintain those segments that

549
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,560
are state owned, correct. >> it's all it's all third party conference.

550
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:24,329
we're doing some garbage removal from there and we do the landscaping.

551
00:46:24,329 --> 00:46:28,468
we we replace the landscaping. We do it with our own with our own public works our yeah yeah

552
00:46:28,468 --> 00:46:32,471
they actually go out and do they're doing the maintenance of the trees that a certain

553
00:46:32,471 --> 00:46:36,608
height you know cutting the bushes weeds that's what they're doing on a regular

554
00:46:36,608 --> 00:46:40,146
basis they remove garbage when they're there but they don't remove garbage every week so

555
00:46:40,146 --> 00:46:44,350
we're supplementing the garbage removal. >> so I mean colleagues, I

556
00:46:44,350 --> 00:46:48,488
think we're we have to decide with the level of services that we want to maintain on that

557
00:46:48,488 --> 00:46:52,625
segment and maybe mr. Manager, I think we should we should have before we vote on this

558
00:46:52,625 --> 00:46:56,950
final budget some information from the analysis of what the intent level of services for

559
00:46:56,950 --> 00:47:01,166
the investment we're making. But you know certainly this is the hardest position has

560
00:47:01,166 --> 00:47:07,573
been to give us peanuts to maintain segments that are expensive and it becomes a

561
00:47:07,573 --> 00:47:12,100
cautious cost shifting exercise and so we don't complain about that honestly we take the

562
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:15,447
contract every year and we just say hum, let's keep writing checks to maintain that

563
00:47:15,447 --> 00:47:19,251
segment. So I mean the irony to me of this whole conversation

564
00:47:19,251 --> 00:47:24,857
about property tax reform is that the entity that is engaged in the biggest cost

565
00:47:24,857 --> 00:47:26,659
shifting is the one that's criticizing how we're spending money, right?

566
00:47:26,659 --> 00:47:34,800
and so and that regulates all the major cost drivers rental rates have gone up 187% in 26

567
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,204
years because who collects a tax and the misappropriated it every year is to be reinvesting

568
00:47:39,204 --> 00:47:43,476
in building public housing. It's the state of florida. Homeowner's insurance has gone

569
00:47:43,476 --> 00:47:48,876
up 244% over 26 years. Guess who regulates the insurance companies?

570
00:47:49,748 --> 00:47:55,520
it's the state of florida, right? So health care is tracking at

571
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,257
30%, right? All rates a year. Guess who regulates them,

572
00:47:59,257 --> 00:48:03,896
right? Same same governmental entity. But we like every other

573
00:48:03,896 --> 00:48:07,767
household experienced those costs as passed through us and I think you just want to

574
00:48:07,767 --> 00:48:11,636
highlight this one example of a pass through cost where we either choose to even though

575
00:48:11,636 --> 00:48:15,807
their assets we don't own and we're technically not responsible for but they are

576
00:48:15,807 --> 00:48:22,314
our front door, right? And so we have that roadway segment and now the underline

577
00:48:22,314 --> 00:48:26,452
that's an enhanced that's been main we did not contribute to it.

578
00:48:26,452 --> 00:48:30,455
we're going to have to choose at some point whether we want to maintain it in a way that's

579
00:48:30,455 --> 00:48:33,926
dignified and reflective of how our community wants to represent itself to third

580
00:48:33,926 --> 00:48:38,196
parties or we're going to find ourselves dealing with a condition that we deal with.

581
00:48:38,196 --> 00:48:41,600
we get off of our expressway and sunset where we see trash and chickens lining the right

582
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,300
way. Right because the state of florida is not invest in

583
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:48,207
maintaining that right away segment. So I think those are the

584
00:48:48,207 --> 00:48:51,410
choices. It's not cheap. It's not cheap and it's not

585
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:55,548
cheap but I just highlight that is that's a reality of the world that we live in.

586
00:48:55,548 --> 00:48:57,416
right? We're getting literally it's I think it's like he said well

587
00:48:57,416 --> 00:49:01,754
again I was shocked that the contract that they gives you was what was $5,600 when I saw

588
00:49:01,754 --> 00:49:05,900
it. I mean clearly they're not marking that to inflation

589
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:08,694
because I can't get my yard done. That's 12,500ft2 for $5,600 a

590
00:49:08,694 --> 00:49:13,999
year. So you know, I find the conversation in some ways that

591
00:49:13,999 --> 00:49:19,838
we're having and a larger policy level to be disassociated from reality.

592
00:49:19,838 --> 00:49:21,774
and this one about the underline yeah it's a ton of money let's find out the

593
00:49:21,774 --> 00:49:27,913
level of services but it's it's it's either we're going to step in and make sure it's preserved

594
00:49:27,913 --> 00:49:31,616
or the condition is going to degrade over time. That's my concern about not

595
00:49:31,616 --> 00:49:35,454
funding it. >> yes I'm ready for you I think and it's funny I actually

596
00:49:35,454 --> 00:49:41,327
have under the engineering capital and improvements and infrastructure projects two

597
00:49:41,327 --> 00:49:49,201
things highlighted I think that to say we have to spend x amount whatever x amount is and

598
00:49:49,201 --> 00:49:55,700
compare it to us one to sunset to byrd and the wrong person to have that conversation with

599
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:59,511
because I say why are we doing it? Why are we doing it to the

600
00:49:59,511 --> 00:50:05,551
level that we're doing it? How do we maybe, you know, have a conversation, maybe it's not

601
00:50:05,551 --> 00:50:09,210
a conversation for us because apparently we're kicking the can up and that's fine.

602
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:16,728
and and most of what you said I agree I don't agree here because if we can do byrd

603
00:50:16,728 --> 00:50:25,137
sunset and us one for less than half of what they're asking us for for this one mile there's a

604
00:50:25,137 --> 00:50:32,577
problem to say that we're going to do it just because nobody else is doing it to whatever

605
00:50:32,577 --> 00:50:37,249
level it is. I have a problem with that. And so if it comes down to a

606
00:50:37,249 --> 00:50:43,255
conversation of us having to see how our money is truly being spent because I've had

607
00:50:43,255 --> 00:50:48,193
this conversation before then that's what we need to do because then we as not only we

608
00:50:48,193 --> 00:50:55,267
I say we as a global we of residents in this city need to then truly understand how

609
00:50:55,267 --> 00:50:59,571
our money's being spent because when we look at this budget that's not the answer that

610
00:50:59,571 --> 00:51:03,142
we're getting. We're seeing a line item and we're not knowing what exactly

611
00:51:03,142 --> 00:51:07,145
that means change never happens if people don't get angry. Right?

612
00:51:07,145 --> 00:51:13,953
I think that there's a lot of decisions and conversations that are having and that we're

613
00:51:13,953 --> 00:51:18,424
having and we don't know what's happening in november. We don't know what's happening

614
00:51:18,424 --> 00:51:25,730
in january to to kind of then say well we're okay with funding it because we said we

615
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:29,301
were okay with funding it. It's like saying my household budget is $3,000 a month.

616
00:51:29,301 --> 00:51:36,108
my husband lost his job but I'm going to still pretend that my household budget can maintain

617
00:51:36,108 --> 00:51:37,977
$3,000 a month. >> it's not realistic. And what we have lost her job.

618
00:51:37,977 --> 00:51:43,482
you know november we have to have this like you know what right now we're looking at a

619
00:51:43,482 --> 00:51:51,938
budget that has a $40,000 surplus $40,000 for a city that has a budget the size of ours

620
00:51:51,938 --> 00:51:56,308
is peanuts. I think it's equivalent to having $3 in your wallet if

621
00:51:56,308 --> 00:52:03,549
you're a regular house. So when we look at discretionary spending, look at

622
00:52:03,549 --> 00:52:07,887
paddle if paddle doesn't come online when they're imagining that it will, we're in trouble.

623
00:52:07,887 --> 00:52:12,240
I agree. And so then we're looking at what we've just heard is one

624
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:18,898
of the three biggest drivers eating up $1 million that we just received to try to, you

625
00:52:18,898 --> 00:52:22,969
know, fill gaps not knowing what's going to happen in november or january.

626
00:52:22,969 --> 00:52:24,870
god only knows what's going to happen. I think that's out of control

627
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:27,807
just like the rest of you think . But to then commit to a number

628
00:52:27,807 --> 00:52:32,450
simply because we said we were going to do it. Yeah.

629
00:52:32,450 --> 00:52:36,490
you know what my husband said he was going to buy me a new car three months ago.

630
00:52:36,490 --> 00:52:38,518
I'm still driving an 11 year old car. Why?

631
00:52:38,518 --> 00:52:43,123
because other expenses have deemed more of a priority than buying me a car when my car

632
00:52:43,123 --> 00:52:50,923
is fine. So I caution all of us to commit to $225,000 or whatever

633
00:52:51,997 --> 00:52:56,902
number it is that you deem I see it's 300 to be clear it's to 25 plus or 75.

634
00:52:56,902 --> 00:53:00,506
>> well 75 is in this year's budget. >> no, no, no.

635
00:53:00,506 --> 00:53:06,612
but so what you're seeing is the what the report is showing you is the change in

636
00:53:06,612 --> 00:53:11,183
above the baseline. That's the baseline for this. That's why that's even worse.

637
00:53:11,183 --> 00:53:15,854
how would you even point that out to me of all picos because I want to fight for here.

638
00:53:15,854 --> 00:53:17,556
okay. Fighting that down here we're fighting but we're going to

639
00:53:17,556 --> 00:53:20,360
discuss let's discuss it with so 300,000 dollars and you just made me want to cry on the dais

640
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:27,166
so so I I I have no words for that. I'm turning off.

641
00:53:27,166 --> 00:53:33,572
I'm like, okay, so when you if you want to share with us to the segment yeah you said 80

642
00:53:33,572 --> 00:53:40,279
it's that segment is depending on how much we control we do it could be from 50 to 54,000 a

643
00:53:40,279 --> 00:53:41,313
year. Okay. What about me?

644
00:53:41,313 --> 00:53:44,650
no, it's just us one set us one segment. Okay?

645
00:53:44,650 --> 00:53:47,719
yeah. Okay. And that I met through the

646
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,550
mare. Yes, sir. And that includes just what

647
00:53:49,550 --> 00:53:57,496
does that include cutting the bushes, cutting the trees up to ten feet for visibility

648
00:53:57,496 --> 00:54:04,360
purposes weed control, litter removal when they're out there once which I've had a lot

649
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,675
of issues with this particular year that's it. We would pay to replace plants

650
00:54:08,675 --> 00:54:15,481
we would pay to replace mulch we pay we do the additional garbage removal ourselves.

651
00:54:15,481 --> 00:54:19,251
those yeah those are the main items. All right.

652
00:54:19,251 --> 00:54:26,451
so the two commissioner branches comparison apples and apples are not there.

653
00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:31,300
we don't know. First of all to my understanding I spoke to the

654
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:34,733
chief about this the 300,000 also includes security. Right.

655
00:54:34,733 --> 00:54:41,507
our police are not supposed to go in security but we have I will tell you my husband had

656
00:54:41,507 --> 00:54:45,711
the pleasure of walking on the underlain behind first the maintenance person that was

657
00:54:45,711 --> 00:54:52,651
supposed to pick up the garbage that was on a stroll and did not pick up garbage and then

658
00:54:52,651 --> 00:54:56,522
when the security guy who was also not doing what he was supposed to be doing, I think

659
00:54:56,522 --> 00:55:01,560
we would do a much better job on the underlying than they would I don't I don't disagree

660
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,164
with you that we don't but we're not comparing apples to apples.

661
00:55:05,164 --> 00:55:08,367
right. So if you want us to compare what we can do as a city, let's

662
00:55:08,367 --> 00:55:12,805
go have that conversation. What is it that we would pay with services or that maybe you

663
00:55:12,805 --> 00:55:16,241
have to dedicate to policemen or whatever the case may be on that model?

664
00:55:16,241 --> 00:55:20,112
let's compare those numbers from a landscape perspective. Let's compare those numbers

665
00:55:20,112 --> 00:55:23,683
what they're doing there and from a service perspective sorry to for the to inform the

666
00:55:23,683 --> 00:55:27,820
conversation that is once every other week they come out for like two days on that

667
00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:31,290
particular stretch. I don't this is us, right? Yes.

668
00:55:31,290 --> 00:55:32,892
I don't know what they're doing right. Let's just have that

669
00:55:32,892 --> 00:55:36,662
conversation and we're going to do apples to apples to apples, to apples and that way we can

670
00:55:36,662 --> 00:55:42,134
have the conversation in a very politically correct and you know, financially fiscally

671
00:55:42,134 --> 00:55:45,771
responsible way because I don't know what the answer is. We're here making assumptions.

672
00:55:45,771 --> 00:55:47,473
you're making an assumption that security is working or not.

673
00:55:47,473 --> 00:55:51,577
we're making assumption on what landscaping is doing. We're doing repairs through our

674
00:55:51,577 --> 00:55:55,848
things are our little playground are being constantly looked at or blown away or

675
00:55:55,848 --> 00:56:00,385
whatever the case may be or aren't being inspected with termites or whatever like all

676
00:56:00,385 --> 00:56:06,592
these different things that could happen on this one mile. I don't know what that is and

677
00:56:06,592 --> 00:56:08,928
we need to find that out but I guarantee you we don't have anything else that's going to

678
00:56:08,928 --> 00:56:11,931
do it for the city's perspective because we don't know what it is.

679
00:56:11,931 --> 00:56:17,102
so let's have that conversation . So again, I think let's you sir

680
00:56:17,102 --> 00:56:21,807
mayor this is a statement just apply generally not to any specific issue but I just want

681
00:56:21,807 --> 00:56:26,110
to kind of level set something as it relates to budget. Whatever we end up approving

682
00:56:26,110 --> 00:56:33,919
is a plan starting day one october 1st we manage this budget, take a look at revenue

683
00:56:33,919 --> 00:56:40,827
expenditures and you know not one not one revenue per say, you know, destabilizes the

684
00:56:40,827 --> 00:56:43,762
whole budget. Right. And we manage it.

685
00:56:43,762 --> 00:56:45,531
maybe we gave police x amount of dollars to do certain things.

686
00:56:45,531 --> 00:56:51,370
it happened this year I told the chief ratchet down on on training off duty which puts us

687
00:56:51,370 --> 00:56:55,241
into overtime because of the trend that we're seeing. So I just want to say that

688
00:56:55,241 --> 00:56:59,511
generally because are not it not one particular expense and our revenue destabilized the

689
00:56:59,511 --> 00:57:01,381
entire budget. I mean this is something that we have to manage throughout

690
00:57:01,381 --> 00:57:05,818
the year and this will be the same thing. Truth be told last year our

691
00:57:05,818 --> 00:57:10,456
operating net difference was only $98,000 more than what we're showing right now and

692
00:57:10,456 --> 00:57:14,226
this will change between now and the final hearing based on your input we'll go back to the

693
00:57:14,226 --> 00:57:17,997
drawing board. But yeah, I just want to give that general statement because

694
00:57:17,997 --> 00:57:22,668
a budget is a plan that gets manage every single day and we slow down or stop certain

695
00:57:22,668 --> 00:57:27,439
things depending on what happens from a trend standpoint investment rates you know the

696
00:57:27,439 --> 00:57:33,145
market goes to you know what if somehow the return is not what we anticipate it we manage

697
00:57:33,145 --> 00:57:34,880
accordingly. So that applies to anything that we're talking about.

698
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,250
it's not specific to any one particular revenue and or expense.

699
00:57:38,250 --> 00:57:44,757
thank you. Your recognize go ahead. I just have a quick question.

700
00:57:44,757 --> 00:57:54,757
so the would this be a $300,000 payment due one point or is it or are we do we have the option

701
00:57:54,901 --> 00:57:59,372
basically is kind of find a happy medium where we can do what commissioner guy says

702
00:57:59,372 --> 00:58:03,776
where we can see how it's working out like basically do payments on a quarterly basis,

703
00:58:03,776 --> 00:58:07,580
see how it works out for a quarter. If the work then we pull it.

704
00:58:07,580 --> 00:58:13,485
if the work is good then we continue it you know can we find a happy medium like that

705
00:58:13,485 --> 00:58:18,259
where we're not spending all the money but yet we're still testing it out and seeing how

706
00:58:18,259 --> 00:58:21,929
it works? I look at it on me and I'm going to I'm going to jump in

707
00:58:21,929 --> 00:58:24,698
on that one because you're going back to the comment I said before I'm going to put

708
00:58:24,698 --> 00:58:28,535
myself in that situation as a city. I would not want to enter into

709
00:58:28,535 --> 00:58:32,473
a relationship that exposes me in that manner because I'm letting a contract in and

710
00:58:32,473 --> 00:58:37,144
committing myself to a contract based on a funding source that now somebody my partner then

711
00:58:37,144 --> 00:58:43,150
just pulled right in the middle of year so I as a city manager would be very careful entering

712
00:58:43,150 --> 00:58:45,219
a relationship like that. So I guess I'm speaking on behalf of the underline in this

713
00:58:45,219 --> 00:58:48,455
case I would be concerned if I were them that they let a contract.

714
00:58:48,455 --> 00:58:54,161
now they have these expense and we change our mind which this commission has a right to do so

715
00:58:54,161 --> 00:58:55,763
. But I'm just saying that operationally it definitely

716
00:58:55,763 --> 00:59:02,169
would be an impact that I would assume well I'm an entity I don't disagree with you but at

717
00:59:02,169 --> 00:59:05,906
the same time they have to also be able to work with us to we're giving them $300,000, you

718
00:59:05,906 --> 00:59:13,514
know, of city money that can go they can they can figure it out whether they do their contracts

719
00:59:13,514 --> 00:59:17,985
on the first year on a quarterly basis. There's there's ways in which

720
00:59:17,985 --> 00:59:24,591
they can work with us to that I'm just trying to again find it where we can do both sides

721
00:59:24,591 --> 00:59:28,862
you know and and meet in the middle if they're not willing to meet in the middle then we

722
00:59:28,862 --> 00:59:31,131
can just pretty much put up our hands and tell them well then if you're not going to work

723
00:59:31,131 --> 00:59:35,803
with us we're not going to work with you. I mean it's that simple.

724
00:59:35,803 --> 00:59:41,975
so mr. Manager, I think just so we can make some progress on these items let's just let's

725
00:59:41,975 --> 00:59:49,550
show this for the time being is a possible change out and can we get some clarification

726
00:59:49,550 --> 00:59:53,587
on the underline as to the timing of the payments and the scope of the work that's to be

727
00:59:53,587 --> 00:59:55,220
provided? Right. And what the ultimate what the

728
00:59:55,220 --> 01:00:00,928
what I mean if we do not participate, what the impact is to the overall meeting

729
01:00:00,928 --> 01:00:02,362
scheme. Okay. And then I know if we want to

730
01:00:02,362 --> 01:00:06,434
compare if we can do a quick comparison and if we wanted to step in and provide the

731
01:00:06,434 --> 01:00:12,639
maintenance on their behalf for the segment what it would cost us in terms of manpower, labor

732
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:17,445
by by some sort of a comparison analysis maybe just to close the gap a little bit but and

733
01:00:17,445 --> 01:00:24,510
make a forward commitment of a of an amount in total or maybe that's the only commit we will

734
01:00:24,510 --> 01:00:27,722
make but if we can get some to compare that would be great clarification on yes basis

735
01:00:27,722 --> 01:00:32,259
you're talking about sweat equity like our internal staff versus you know there's well

736
01:00:32,259 --> 01:00:33,928
there's there's no sweat equity. >> so what equity comes at a

737
01:00:33,928 --> 01:00:37,970
cost and I'm assuming we don't have people lying around doing nothing right so it's come at

738
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:40,468
the cost of doing or you're talking about our staff our staff doing something else

739
01:00:40,468 --> 01:00:44,538
right programmatically. So but I think we have to sign a value to it what it would

740
01:00:44,538 --> 01:00:50,100
cost us to do it on a per hour basis it's going to be it's going to be in my mind that

741
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:54,682
we've got they're using as a firm I believe as their main provider for the corridor.

742
01:00:54,682 --> 01:00:59,860
my my understanding right. I don't I don't believe that as a firm is subject to collective

743
01:00:59,860 --> 01:01:04,591
bargaining agreement. So I'm going to guess at their per hourly rate per labor hour

744
01:01:04,591 --> 01:01:05,893
is going to be cheaper than ours. Right.

745
01:01:05,893 --> 01:01:12,967
because they're not subject to a you know, a cba. But I think we should clarify

746
01:01:12,967 --> 01:01:17,438
what that is and we've got to kind of impute a per labor our cost to doing that work if we

747
01:01:17,438 --> 01:01:23,711
were to do the meetings or so so we can actually compare to commission guys point apples to

748
01:01:23,711 --> 01:01:28,315
apples and understand how we should approach either making a grant for the full amount or a

749
01:01:28,315 --> 01:01:34,888
grant with conditions or you know, not making any grant and doing the work ourselves and

750
01:01:34,888 --> 01:01:38,590
seeing what the relative benefit is of one approach versus the other.

751
01:01:38,590 --> 01:01:42,630
okay. Do we want to talk about transit next?

752
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:48,102
okay. Who wants to start are you going to start on the transit

753
01:01:48,102 --> 01:01:51,406
one? Look, I've been a proponent of trying to kind of change the

754
01:01:51,406 --> 01:01:56,243
mon which we deliver the service. I don't think that the service

755
01:01:56,243 --> 01:01:59,947
that we're getting right now warrants the continued investment.

756
01:01:59,947 --> 01:02:05,619
I certainly do not want to subsidize what we're doing with $210,000 of general fund

757
01:02:05,619 --> 01:02:09,957
support. I'd much rather honestly take the money to invest it in

758
01:02:09,957 --> 01:02:13,861
maintaining the underlying things. That's a capital asset that's

759
01:02:13,861 --> 01:02:17,165
going to make our city look better or worse given what the county's contemplating and

760
01:02:17,165 --> 01:02:21,602
continued service cuts. I'm not sure what we're trying to backfill for what should be

761
01:02:21,602 --> 01:02:25,906
a base service that they're offering. So I'd be a proponent of taking

762
01:02:25,906 --> 01:02:34,248
the to ten out of the budget canceling the service and then frankly I think we all saw that

763
01:02:34,248 --> 01:02:41,221
there was an item circulated about the manager remind me the term of the planning area that

764
01:02:41,221 --> 01:02:48,162
we've been discussing with you and coral gables, the term management area I rather take

765
01:02:48,162 --> 01:02:51,532
my understanding is that 150 that we're spending potentially could be eligible for funding

766
01:02:51,532 --> 01:02:56,400
that we could donate or contribute to the tme project is here how we can leverage

767
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:03,110
that funding along with coral gables and allow us to deliver micro transit within a shared

768
01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:07,114
catchment area. And so I'd like to just bow to the pdp money of the 150 for

769
01:03:07,114 --> 01:03:12,586
that effort or a similar effort or just roll it over then we've got 2 to 5 years to spend that

770
01:03:12,586 --> 01:03:16,157
money down mr. River rolls out correct. And rather than just continue

771
01:03:16,157 --> 01:03:22,620
to burn money on a service that that's not really moving the needle those are my thoughts

772
01:03:22,620 --> 01:03:31,939
merit yes or a reminder that we also recently got a proposal that from from over at that at

773
01:03:31,939 --> 01:03:35,542
that rate at the 20% basically hundred 50 which we still haven't had a chance to brief

774
01:03:35,542 --> 01:03:37,645
you on it because we just got it I think we're trying to schedule a meeting.

775
01:03:37,645 --> 01:03:43,117
so does she know that that unless I changes the ball dramatically I mean I think my

776
01:03:43,117 --> 01:03:46,854
comments for now hold assuming we do we keep to what we're doing.

777
01:03:46,854 --> 01:03:55,162
yes or you recognize thank you I think and everything you said I'm very I'm not happy with

778
01:03:55,162 --> 01:03:59,399
using veo right now. I think that we're just wasting the money.

779
01:03:59,399 --> 01:04:06,273
I am interested though in to see what uber has to offer at least hear it out.

780
01:04:06,273 --> 01:04:13,814
but if there's another way that we can invest the money I would I just don't agree with the way

781
01:04:13,814 --> 01:04:21,154
that that metro connector via operates their system and there's constant you know there

782
01:04:21,154 --> 01:04:29,163
you know that they're crushing they're making senior citizens walk I just I don't think we're

783
01:04:29,163 --> 01:04:36,503
the bang for the buck is not there I think we should explore other options if for the

784
01:04:36,503 --> 01:04:41,575
comments yeah I've been I've been working alongside coral gables and university of miami

785
01:04:41,575 --> 01:04:48,192
to get the team up and going. There's an organization that's been thought about where the

786
01:04:48,192 --> 01:04:52,563
coral gables university of miami us and the chambers and I'm going to have a

787
01:04:52,563 --> 01:04:56,534
presentation for you guys the next commission meeting but the ideas that we started working

788
01:04:56,534 --> 01:05:01,720
collectively together understanding how we get to the last mile, how we integrate

789
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,809
bird, how we integrate uber, how we integrate the trolley system.

790
01:05:04,809 --> 01:05:11,682
so the idea was to get as many kids from coral gables or from miami into work into our town

791
01:05:11,682 --> 01:05:18,756
center in an easier way because right now the borders are a stop for everywhere.

792
01:05:18,756 --> 01:05:22,894
so there is something that's being proposed. You'll get that on on in the

793
01:05:22,894 --> 01:05:27,364
fall and commission meeting but I don't think the number for the allocation of what we can

794
01:05:27,364 --> 01:05:31,669
do financially is that warrants 150,000 like you were saying mayor I think it's going to

795
01:05:31,669 --> 01:05:35,390
start with a smaller number so we because it's a process, right trying to get all these

796
01:05:35,390 --> 01:05:39,143
people together but collectively there's a lot of funds that can be allocated

797
01:05:39,143 --> 01:05:42,113
that we can do some pretty good things with it. So I agree with that.

798
01:05:42,113 --> 01:05:46,500
it's just I don't know if I would spend the whole one fifth we get to reserve it anyway.

799
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:52,223
we only use it for that purpose so I would just say we reserve it for yeah I would only ship

800
01:05:52,223 --> 01:05:56,193
in maybe 20 to 30,000 but then you know we can allocate the rest of it but we'll see how

801
01:05:56,193 --> 01:06:00,650
that goes and we'll see what the presentation says in a couple of weeks.

802
01:06:00,650 --> 01:06:06,637
okay. Madam commissioner, you I, I agree that I think we're

803
01:06:06,637 --> 01:06:10,908
throwing money into like an abyss. I know that we can use the p t

804
01:06:10,908 --> 01:06:18,750
p funds for different things and if we are going to bank it to see what's going on by the

805
01:06:18,750 --> 01:06:26,691
way you guys are saying I keep thinking tmi but so the public at large has no idea what you

806
01:06:26,691 --> 01:06:33,831
guys are talking about because I am the public at large and so I say yes I agree we should

807
01:06:33,831 --> 01:06:40,171
bank it. I agree we should sever ties. I also think that we should

808
01:06:40,171 --> 01:06:44,776
look at alternatives for what we may need because one pops into my mind automatically and

809
01:06:44,776 --> 01:06:51,249
that is this can be used to build a little tarp over the bus bench.

810
01:06:51,249 --> 01:06:55,253
I know that the seniors have been talking about the one that's in front of community

811
01:06:55,253 --> 01:06:58,656
newspapers, the one in front of their you know, their homes is covered.

812
01:06:58,656 --> 01:07:02,293
it's perfect. The other one it's like you're sitting being, you know,

813
01:07:02,293 --> 01:07:09,100
tortured by the sun. So I'm sure just like that one there are others that we could

814
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:12,737
possibly use those funds for. So yes, bank it. Yes.

815
01:07:12,737 --> 01:07:16,474
maybe to what you're saying because I have no idea. We're talking about but keep in

816
01:07:16,474 --> 01:07:24,982
mind other things you agree okay so consensus is we do not want to continue the service

817
01:07:24,982 --> 01:07:27,982
with $210,000 general fund support. Okay.

818
01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:34,292
and bank the 150 required spend for in a reserve rose ball expenses to be determined.

819
01:07:34,292 --> 01:07:41,165
okay okay so that's the direction to stuff okay storm water trust fund any thoughts

820
01:07:41,165 --> 01:07:48,365
on on that item? >> yes ma'am. I think we all probably feel

821
01:07:49,107 --> 01:07:56,313
the way that you mentioned earlier that it feels like a big push in all at once.

822
01:07:56,313 --> 01:08:01,419
I don't know how much of a difference it makes to the majority of the populace

823
01:08:01,419 --> 01:08:08,893
of this city. I know me personally I probably wouldn't think much of it but

824
01:08:08,893 --> 01:08:16,134
someone who is in a position like limited income or fixed income will have maybe a

825
01:08:16,134 --> 01:08:23,408
problem with that. So I ask the same thing can we phase it in and how do we how

826
01:08:23,408 --> 01:08:27,812
does that look and what have you? So I understand that not having

827
01:08:27,812 --> 01:08:35,860
anything change in 24 years means we have a lot of ground to cover.

828
01:08:35,860 --> 01:08:42,326
I just worry a little bit about how that's going to be for I'll be it.

829
01:08:42,326 --> 01:08:46,397
it's a small population of our city that you know might have sticker shock but there still

830
01:08:46,397 --> 01:08:56,397
are people for the comments. I would I would say because I was also taken aback by what I

831
01:09:00,578 --> 01:09:07,385
mean you're looking at 50% increase on on your bill. Again, I use the example of 100

832
01:09:07,385 --> 01:09:13,324
books then it will be 150 for and I think you know the difficult and you know after

833
01:09:13,324 --> 01:09:16,994
thinking about it after I left the meeting and all that it's just you know, the difficult

834
01:09:16,994 --> 01:09:23,935
part of our job is that we have to make difficult decisions sometimes and if putting that

835
01:09:23,935 --> 01:09:31,609
$5,054 on the water bill allows us so our city as a whole does not get flooded during storms

836
01:09:31,609 --> 01:09:35,746
then I think it's a well worth the investment and sometimes like maybe maybe the general

837
01:09:35,746 --> 01:09:40,180
public won't fully understand it well when we're in a storm and everybody can walk on their

838
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:43,620
streets and there's no flood then they'll truly come to appreciate it again we have to

839
01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:50,428
make difficult decisions sometimes but what do we want that difficult decision to look

840
01:09:50,428 --> 01:09:51,895
like? Do we want to phase it in all at once?

841
01:09:51,895 --> 01:09:57,134
do we want to make it come in to I have I have heartburn raising something over 400% in

842
01:09:57,134 --> 01:10:00,972
one fell swoop. That's what we're doing. Right.

843
01:10:00,972 --> 01:10:05,242
and so we had talked about doing this over time. We have needs I want to fund

844
01:10:05,242 --> 01:10:08,746
those needs. We certainly should not be continue the practice that we

845
01:10:08,746 --> 01:10:12,316
had here historically which is, you know, having the g.f. Subsidize activities that could

846
01:10:12,316 --> 01:10:16,530
be funded with a stormwater fee . We know what the number

847
01:10:16,530 --> 01:10:20,570
is based on the study that we've been we underwrote and spent money on so we should

848
01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:23,728
follow that number. My only my only my only comment to staff is I agree with the

849
01:10:23,728 --> 01:10:29,967
plan to get up to 222 and beyond the numbers have to change year to year we're going

850
01:10:29,967 --> 01:10:34,400
to have to have the courage to keep it, have it keep pace with inflation so we can meet our

851
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:39,576
needs. But my question is what do we need for fiscal year 27 and

852
01:10:39,576 --> 01:10:47,180
let's target that number to what we need for fiscal year 2027 what we plan to and can do

853
01:10:47,180 --> 01:10:51,210
in this fiscal year, right. I don't know that we need all all the items or identify I

854
01:10:51,210 --> 01:10:54,692
don't know that are all projects we're going to realize or spending we're going to

855
01:10:54,692 --> 01:11:00,564
realize in this year. So I would say bring it back if you can mr. Manager a listing

856
01:11:00,564 --> 01:11:04,769
of the items that we are highly confident that we're going to you know, design and or let

857
01:11:04,769 --> 01:11:09,880
this fiscal year that we need the money in the bank for to spend and if that number then

858
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:18,880
translates into $200 or $150 or $80, I think that's a more prudent way to balance the need

859
01:11:18,398 --> 01:11:24,738
right in the past and phase in the cost to meet that need than just collecting the 222 all at

860
01:11:24,738 --> 01:11:29,375
once and hoping that we get these projects done this year. I mean my experience here in

861
01:11:29,375 --> 01:11:33,546
four years is that as much as we try very hard we tend to not deliver the improvements as

862
01:11:33,546 --> 01:11:42,546
quickly as we plan. So it seems to me that the $580,000 project is the most

863
01:11:42,588 --> 01:11:46,592
ready to go project expenditure again it's probably 55% of the funding so I'm thinking

864
01:11:46,592 --> 01:11:55,969
the fee is going to have to be somewhere in the realm of you know $120, 110, $230 in order

865
01:11:55,969 --> 01:11:58,772
to kind of get us to fund that one project. You know, those are my first

866
01:11:58,772 --> 01:12:03,430
thoughts. Let's fund what we need as opposed to kind of getting the

867
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:09,782
rate where we where it should be in one fell swoop and we'll continue to ratcheted up to the

868
01:12:09,782 --> 01:12:15,389
target number and maybe next year it's out to 22 for 20 year should be 2 to 30 it will

869
01:12:15,389 --> 01:12:19,859
increase it to kind of meet the next tranche of capital projects and fund what we fund,

870
01:12:19,859 --> 01:12:23,397
what we have planned and is ready to advance. Yes, sir.

871
01:12:23,397 --> 01:12:30,700
I mean I'm okay with that. I just don't know how feasible and talking to mr. Riverol to

872
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:35,700
increase it every year over year I I've seen you struggle with you know locals and legal

873
01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:39,746
with the county I just don't know how feasible I think we we passed a number on to the water

874
01:12:39,746 --> 01:12:44,551
sort of what we do we not I mean if you can clarify that I think because I know it's been

875
01:12:44,551 --> 01:12:52,759
a struggle once we move away from the property tax it's easier to change the fee

876
01:12:52,759 --> 01:12:57,196
because it's a it's a regular resolution fees schedule change like we're doing tonight.

877
01:12:57,196 --> 01:13:01,167
tonight we have a fee schedule change. It's elimination of a fee from

878
01:13:01,167 --> 01:13:04,937
the schedule it takes a resolution where doing it on the property tax it's like

879
01:13:04,937 --> 01:13:09,420
moving earth you have to send first class mail to all property owners and so forth.

880
01:13:09,420 --> 01:13:15,181
it gives us more flexibility once you go to the water, the fee, the utility billing so fee

881
01:13:15,181 --> 01:13:19,986
so to the mayor's point then it's it's a lot easier for you to work with.

882
01:13:19,986 --> 01:13:26,959
wazni to start at 105 the go to 181 80 and then 222 in a three year span we can do that and

883
01:13:26,959 --> 01:13:30,563
again to piggyback on this question if there's a need for funding that we're projecting,

884
01:13:30,563 --> 01:13:33,734
we can almost make that change quarterly. We're not limited to doing it

885
01:13:33,734 --> 01:13:37,404
in the context of the budget, correct? I have to read the interlocal

886
01:13:37,404 --> 01:13:41,408
agreement because whenever I do change any of the fees I don't know if there's a special

887
01:13:41,408 --> 01:13:45,278
assessment that's I'm not saying there is. I'm just saying I don't know

888
01:13:45,278 --> 01:13:48,815
because I I'm still waiting for the county to send over the interlocal agreement which

889
01:13:48,815 --> 01:13:52,190
is being reviewed in their office. So we're actively pursuing that

890
01:13:52,190 --> 01:13:59,525
interlocal agreement but subject to there is no if we change the fee it's no no

891
01:13:59,525 --> 01:14:03,230
surcharge it's as easy as a fee schedule. >> so if you if I think for the

892
01:14:03,230 --> 01:14:06,499
for our next board hearing if we can get some clarification on the process right great

893
01:14:06,499 --> 01:14:07,900
idea. Right. So if we get some clarification

894
01:14:07,900 --> 01:14:14,207
on the process I mean if it is it who's the is the tax collectors office?

895
01:14:14,207 --> 01:14:18,344
no, the tax collectors is what is was do this is was in this case county it's been at the

896
01:14:18,344 --> 01:14:22,810
county attorney's office for the last okay. >> prior probably about two

897
01:14:22,810 --> 01:14:23,382
months. Okay. So let's call someone let's

898
01:14:23,382 --> 01:14:29,655
call someone and get them to get us an information here this week and I'm happy to help if

899
01:14:29,655 --> 01:14:34,193
we need to we can call I was going to say good luck, you know, and then and then I think

900
01:14:34,193 --> 01:14:38,364
we I would love to see like a plan to pay for revenues with expenses so we can phase this

901
01:14:38,364 --> 01:14:44,771
in right as we need it. Right if we need it all if we're not more I'm on board

902
01:14:44,771 --> 01:14:48,908
with commissioner rodriguez. I think you know better practice to do this than what

903
01:14:48,908 --> 01:14:53,146
we've done for umpteen years which is lined up the funding source with with the funding

904
01:14:53,146 --> 01:14:57,617
need but I don't want to just stick it to people and particularly in this context

905
01:14:57,617 --> 01:15:02,890
think about where we we're talking about property tax reform and we're going to

906
01:15:02,890 --> 01:15:05,858
increase a fee for 100 plus percent without needing the money right away.

907
01:15:05,858 --> 01:15:10,830
>> just want to be sensitive to that that environment as well. And let me just say I do agree

908
01:15:10,830 --> 01:15:13,566
with that. Yeah, we only need 180 right now.

909
01:15:13,566 --> 01:15:17,103
let's just go for the 180. I'm I'm for that hundred percent.

910
01:15:17,103 --> 01:15:21,107
I'm just saying that we make difficult decisions. We're going to have to at some

911
01:15:21,107 --> 01:15:24,376
point add to their fee no matter what. No, no.

912
01:15:24,376 --> 01:15:26,450
yeah that we've all we've all know we all agree with that. Yeah.

913
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:28,147
yeah. Okay. Thank you.

914
01:15:28,147 --> 01:15:34,153
okay, commissioner, you had a question regarding parcel and industry in the us one and

915
01:15:34,153 --> 01:15:41,193
folks in volleyball court improvements when we were talking about the acquisition

916
01:15:41,193 --> 01:15:49,268
of that property we said I had actually said let's make it a dog park and the the

917
01:15:49,268 --> 01:15:54,173
contribution during that conversation was that the dog park would likely be better

918
01:15:54,173 --> 01:16:00,713
suited at fuchs because you're away from the us one noise and traffic I think it's

919
01:16:00,713 --> 01:16:05,170
interesting that somebody today actually sent us an email that said it's not good for kids but

920
01:16:05,170 --> 01:16:11,757
it's going to be fine for dogs and that that it I don't think that made a lot of sense to any

921
01:16:11,757 --> 01:16:16,610
of us because I think they're both equally sensitive to that type of noise.

922
01:16:16,610 --> 01:16:22,435
so it reminded me of the conversation that we had about the volleyball area at

923
01:16:22,435 --> 01:16:29,375
fuchs becoming the dog park. So when I saw this today where we're allocating $80,000 for a

924
01:16:29,375 --> 01:16:38,975
volleyball renovation, it prompted that whole thing in my mind I don't want us to spend

925
01:16:39,385 --> 01:16:44,324
$80,000 on renovating a volleyball court that I'm not sure how much you think as I

926
01:16:44,324 --> 01:16:51,640
think it would be great for you to let us know but if we wanted to be a dog park because we

927
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:57,303
don't want it on 80th and us one then we need to move this money and make it a dog park.

928
01:16:57,303 --> 01:17:04,343
you know I know that there was a conversation that we've been able to reopen or are reopening

929
01:17:04,343 --> 01:17:09,448
this sliver of dog park that I can take my dog to but you can't take your dog to because

930
01:17:09,448 --> 01:17:16,155
it's not big enough. So I. I think before we jump into a

931
01:17:16,155 --> 01:17:23,629
sand volleyball renovation we need to come to a decision on what we're doing for that dog

932
01:17:23,629 --> 01:17:26,932
park and I'm sorry to disappoint. >> do we not approve that

933
01:17:26,932 --> 01:17:31,171
contract last meeting for the for the volleyball court renovation of fuchs we rejected

934
01:17:31,171 --> 01:17:35,341
the bids because the pricing just was completely out of whack and we just had the

935
01:17:35,341 --> 01:17:42,385
experience of the dr. Parcel recent renovation. So system director and I talked

936
01:17:42,385 --> 01:17:46,555
about it so we rejected the bids and put it back out with some changes just clarification

937
01:17:46,555 --> 01:17:50,726
commissioner the the area that when we were thinking of potentially a dog park was

938
01:17:50,726 --> 01:17:55,970
not the volleyball area but east of the the play structure. >> so there's a space here

939
01:17:55,970 --> 01:18:02,404
towards the canal right closer to the canal that green space was was the area you mean the

940
01:18:02,404 --> 01:18:05,774
canal think where where we just had an incident five seconds ago.

941
01:18:05,774 --> 01:18:10,146
no but I'm saying like we I don't think that's the idea, guys.

942
01:18:10,146 --> 01:18:14,583
I don't think that's the best use of the space. >> no, I'm just clarifying that

943
01:18:14,583 --> 01:18:18,186
when we were looking at it and we went back it was a green space just on the other side

944
01:18:18,186 --> 01:18:21,357
of the play structure. Yeah. And then that's the original

945
01:18:21,357 --> 01:18:25,160
puddle where we were going to do it yesterday exactly that this is all that same

946
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:30,198
conversation that we had. We were like do we do paddle? Do we do the dog park bro?

947
01:18:30,198 --> 01:18:37,390
and I, I can't remember exactly who said we could always do the dog park fuchs because it

948
01:18:37,390 --> 01:18:43,645
is more of a neighborhood. I think I said it yeah it might be so I want us to have that

949
01:18:43,645 --> 01:18:49,645
conversation now can we have that conversation now? >> could we?

950
01:18:50,850 --> 01:18:53,188
yeah. So you recognize that don't forget the answer on that

951
01:18:53,188 --> 01:18:57,392
because you had talked about opening the dog park. I I'll just give you an update

952
01:18:57,392 --> 01:19:01,797
. Mr. Tyson is working already on relocating the fence and we're

953
01:19:01,797 --> 01:19:06,402
going to reopen it. The cost analysis of the 15ft and the insurance that may be

954
01:19:06,402 --> 01:19:11,273
required to satisfy, you know, the arcs which you know, rightly so.

955
01:19:11,273 --> 01:19:14,610
so we've notified them that we're those 15ft we can do without and we're just going to

956
01:19:14,610 --> 01:19:19,214
move the fence and then we're going to reopen the dog park. So I just want to give you that

957
01:19:19,214 --> 01:19:24,486
update. Thank you. So again, if you can what is it

958
01:19:24,486 --> 01:19:26,388
you want to discuss if you can reframe it for me, I apologize. >> sure.

959
01:19:26,388 --> 01:19:31,894
I'm like do we need that volleyball there? Can't we make it?

960
01:19:31,894 --> 01:19:36,565
I mean right now it's if I'm not mistaken it's sand and sticks and a net, right?

961
01:19:36,565 --> 01:19:40,969
>> it's a pretty nice no no. But I'm saying it's not like we're knocking down a building.

962
01:19:40,969 --> 01:19:44,272
no, we're not doing any of that . So if we wanted to use that

963
01:19:44,272 --> 01:19:50,278
space for a dog park it's something that would be feasible now versus spending

964
01:19:50,278 --> 01:19:54,116
$80,000 and then saying oh by the way, mr. Mayor. Yes.

965
01:19:54,116 --> 01:19:57,486
I mean I think maybe we can have the director come up here and just like explain to us

966
01:19:57,486 --> 01:20:01,523
with the programing with the thought process was because I'm not really sure either.

967
01:20:01,523 --> 01:20:03,225
>> so okay, I'll just tell us what you're thinking. Yeah.

968
01:20:03,225 --> 01:20:06,661
john tyson, director for parks and recreation oh yeah. As the manager mentioned this

969
01:20:06,661 --> 01:20:14,690
up as the manager mentioned the space that was we believe would be more feasible for the dog

970
01:20:14,690 --> 01:20:17,773
park would be on the east side of the playground on the space to the west of it which

971
01:20:17,773 --> 01:20:21,477
is currently a sand volleyball court has much more limited capacity and you would have a

972
01:20:21,477 --> 01:20:27,916
significantly smaller dog park. We've I've worked with a few contractors if I can.

973
01:20:27,916 --> 01:20:29,918
I don't think the question is whether that space should be the dog park.

974
01:20:29,918 --> 01:20:35,524
I think she's asking whether the dollars the renovation of the volleyball court are

975
01:20:35,524 --> 01:20:39,270
better used to creating a dog park at fuchs. Is that correct or even

976
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:43,965
eliminating the sand volleyball ticket altogether and making it a bigger space?

977
01:20:43,965 --> 01:20:47,936
I would say stay away from the canal. >> I don't know.

978
01:20:47,936 --> 01:20:50,839
it's not it's it's not close to but there's a like a line of trees.

979
01:20:50,839 --> 01:20:55,577
there's a road there's a there's there's additional greenspace before he gets the

980
01:20:55,577 --> 01:21:02,517
canal. It's it's not so dude I've seen a gator climb the fence at the

981
01:21:02,517 --> 01:21:06,788
university of florida trying to get into the preschool but yeah I know that some of those on

982
01:21:06,788 --> 01:21:13,828
your football team there you go so I, I would say you know if we don't have contracts for

983
01:21:13,828 --> 01:21:20,669
that sand volleyball court, how much does it really get used and could we maybe do you know

984
01:21:20,669 --> 01:21:25,207
a dog park there and something different? >> yeah, I mean I mean

985
01:21:25,207 --> 01:21:28,677
certainly that is absolutely an idea that can be done. I think that would require

986
01:21:28,677 --> 01:21:33,148
relocation or movement of the actual playground structure that exists there now

987
01:21:33,148 --> 01:21:39,154
I think from a not only from an esthetic standpoint but from a safety standpoint there has to

988
01:21:39,154 --> 01:21:43,958
be some separation between having a dog park right next to a playground and I can tell you

989
01:21:43,958 --> 01:21:47,429
from my experience that would definitely be a concern of mine.

990
01:21:47,429 --> 01:21:51,567
so I think could you could you get rid of the volleyball court?

991
01:21:51,567 --> 01:21:54,936
yes. And slide the the playground structure over it just makes it

992
01:21:54,936 --> 01:21:59,340
significantly more. Yeah, it would be a much larger project if you were to do that

993
01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:03,178
and you know, just in my opinion, you know, the current volleyball system that exists

994
01:22:03,178 --> 01:22:09,500
there it is in need of repair and some care and some love. I know personally I have

995
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:14,255
aspirations for this department to to go for capra accreditation and

996
01:22:14,255 --> 01:22:18,426
standardization is a significant part of that and we just made significant

997
01:22:18,426 --> 01:22:24,667
improvements over at donte for sale and to have the fuchs volleyball be in poor condition

998
01:22:24,667 --> 01:22:28,269
with poor sand I think wouldn't necessarily be right and that's the one that we leave open to

999
01:22:28,269 --> 01:22:31,773
the general public. We we traditionally don't rent that one out because most

1000
01:22:31,773 --> 01:22:36,444
of our programing operates out of that type of cell. So to have that one you know it

1001
01:22:36,444 --> 01:22:40,215
is utilized by there are some groups that go out there on saturdays and sundays that use

1002
01:22:40,215 --> 01:22:44,219
it and they have voiced that you know, they would they would like for those in those

1003
01:22:44,219 --> 01:22:49,491
conditions to improve. Okay. So then that brings me to the

1004
01:22:49,491 --> 01:22:55,930
question of if we're keeping the sand volleyball, where's the dog park we keep talking

1005
01:22:55,930 --> 01:23:03,171
about do we have parking impact fund money? How are we we we can't just

1006
01:23:03,171 --> 01:23:10,345
talk about it and then never do it and I think as a city I mean you look at us there are four

1007
01:23:10,345 --> 01:23:14,516
of us up here six of us if you count tony and chip far as I know I don't know if you have a

1008
01:23:14,516 --> 01:23:21,823
dog but there so six of us or six of us have dogs and not all six of us play or whatever

1009
01:23:21,823 --> 01:23:28,597
whatever insert whatever it is there. So I think that is city the

1010
01:23:28,597 --> 01:23:34,403
size of ours with the populations separated the way that we are we need to be able

1011
01:23:34,403 --> 01:23:41,209
to find the money to do this so so two things one is we have we have a parks master plan that

1012
01:23:41,209 --> 01:23:44,479
has told us we have an lower level service need of an another another dog park.

1013
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:45,681
yes. Okay. But in the northern part

1014
01:23:45,681 --> 01:23:48,883
of the city not in the southern part. That is correct.

1015
01:23:48,883 --> 01:23:52,120
I would tell you that the one that we have is inadequate. I think we probably better off

1016
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,892
closing it and building a dog park and folks right to have a a serviceable dog park.

1017
01:23:56,892 --> 01:24:00,895
right. They could actually, you know, accommodate more people and

1018
01:24:00,895 --> 01:24:06,646
larger dogs personal opinion. But if we're going to build the second one right it should be

1019
01:24:06,646 --> 01:24:11,617
definitely north of us one of the very least not that south of use one.

1020
01:24:11,617 --> 01:24:15,888
so I think that's what our study has told us in terms of options I mean if that is a

1021
01:24:15,888 --> 01:24:20,159
concern I mean we just need to take the study that we is it finalized yet our parks master

1022
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:23,596
plan is finalized and to your point you are correct at this point we just need to kind

1023
01:24:23,596 --> 01:24:27,660
of have staff come back to us and say of the options that we have what's the best option

1024
01:24:27,660 --> 01:24:30,837
that we can execute against? That's how I would like to have the conversation.

1025
01:24:30,837 --> 01:24:36,309
yes, sir. I think in my humble opinion I kept present company excluded

1026
01:24:36,309 --> 01:24:41,214
and I don't mean to take a dog park away from you but I think in in fuchs you know take away

1027
01:24:41,214 --> 01:24:47,887
we don't have to you you know I think our fuchs we would be servicing a lot of a

1028
01:24:47,887 --> 01:24:55,896
residential area that isn't is in south miami I think if we if we move it to more

1029
01:24:55,896 --> 01:25:02,902
of the manor lane location now we service our our residents and I think that that should

1030
01:25:02,902 --> 01:25:07,140
be, you know, a priority for us . Where is it that we're

1031
01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:10,977
servicing our residents more than just, you know, county residents that can use the

1032
01:25:10,977 --> 01:25:14,847
park? So I would would just leave fuchs I would really I, I

1033
01:25:14,847 --> 01:25:21,454
understand you want to do the the volleyball. I do think that if you weigh a

1034
01:25:21,454 --> 01:25:26,459
program of a dog park and volleyball you're going to get 100 times more usage out

1035
01:25:26,459 --> 01:25:34,000
of the dog park group. So maybe reallocating the money from from that and maybe we can

1036
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:38,739
start something at manor lane and see what it would be because eventually that's the

1037
01:25:38,739 --> 01:25:43,420
interest of our city. We have to do something rather than just leave it the way that

1038
01:25:43,420 --> 01:25:45,145
it is. So something's going to have to be done there.

1039
01:25:45,145 --> 01:25:49,549
I don't I wouldn't be against having a dog park there just for clarity is are you

1040
01:25:49,549 --> 01:25:56,656
referencing the dog park at fuchs park or a no, no, no I manderley manor lane there

1041
01:25:56,656 --> 01:26:04,397
you'll be servicing our actual resident and rather than that fuchs you're really servicing

1042
01:26:04,397 --> 01:26:08,768
more of county residents that are there were limited as far as how many south miami

1043
01:26:08,768 --> 01:26:15,174
residents go there mayor so is recognize just to follow up on that yeah what is the plan

1044
01:26:15,174 --> 01:26:19,979
where are we in the process? What what we want to do with the 80 st manor lane parker so

1045
01:26:19,979 --> 01:26:26,652
I recently had a survey put out through door hangers to the immediate neighborhood within a

1046
01:26:26,652 --> 01:26:31,190
ten minute walking radius of that site. So we we have gotten those

1047
01:26:31,190 --> 01:26:35,729
results back and are currently marrying those and kind of looking at those in

1048
01:26:35,729 --> 01:26:40,660
comparison to what has been identified in our master plan. I can tell you that a dog park

1049
01:26:40,660 --> 01:26:46,806
has come up on there but in reference to our master plan overall it may not necessarily

1050
01:26:46,806 --> 01:26:53,679
be the level one priority of what the city would need in comparison to other amenities

1051
01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:58,151
and also what the immediate community necessarily wants in that respective area.

1052
01:26:58,151 --> 01:27:02,689
and I get that it's for the broader community. You know the manor lane site

1053
01:27:02,689 --> 01:27:06,592
is for south miami as a whole but like I said, we're currently looking at both the

1054
01:27:06,592 --> 01:27:12,965
survey results and also the the master plan and combining those efforts to figure out what's

1055
01:27:12,965 --> 01:27:16,769
best to do at that park. >> okay. I have one thing to say.

1056
01:27:16,769 --> 01:27:21,508
yes. When we're looking at the park impact fund and I don't know if

1057
01:27:21,508 --> 01:27:28,581
this is a you or a you conversation once these dollars that you've allotted here are

1058
01:27:28,581 --> 01:27:35,788
spent, what do we have left? So if we wanted to say whether we wanted to say yes, let's do

1059
01:27:35,788 --> 01:27:44,630
a dog park or hey no let's do I don't know a park where we play tiddledywinks like where that

1060
01:27:44,630 --> 01:27:48,401
money even come from. That's definitely that's yeah you will defer to well I do

1061
01:27:48,401 --> 01:27:55,141
what I can say is there are funds allocated for manor lane design in the capital budget so

1062
01:27:55,141 --> 01:27:59,979
that could be allocated to that while also still doing the future volleyball project you

1063
01:27:59,979 --> 01:28:04,517
know at the same time. So if there's an opportunity to do both would be greatly

1064
01:28:04,517 --> 01:28:08,355
appreciated and you know by myself and in also I think the broader community as well.

1065
01:28:08,355 --> 01:28:15,600
thank you just for clarification on the on the existing dog park it's not a

1066
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,831
heavy lift to open it up. I mean we got to redo the fence and given that any alternate

1067
01:28:18,831 --> 01:28:25,705
location will require a heavier investment that that it's not allocated at this time

1068
01:28:25,705 --> 01:28:29,776
figure let's just open it up it's providing it would provide a service not a heavy lift and

1069
01:28:29,776 --> 01:28:36,682
as we decide and plan where there could be a better location if really yes you're

1070
01:28:36,682 --> 01:28:44,724
right nice so I haven't seen the survey but if if if the written in option is leave it

1071
01:28:44,724 --> 01:28:52,331
as is that's not an option. I I hope I agree I hope that's relate to the community I think

1072
01:28:52,331 --> 01:28:59,672
something has to be done there I graham and also second if you go down by my lifetime under

1073
01:28:59,672 --> 01:29:07,246
the under the the underline in like gables girl correct okay in the underline there's now a

1074
01:29:07,246 --> 01:29:10,950
dog park there I have seen under the metro rail yes so this would be kind of mirroring

1075
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:18,425
or mimicking what they're doing there and do it on manor lane it would be pretty much the

1076
01:29:18,425 --> 01:29:20,260
same thing. Absolutely. So it's not like it hasn't been

1077
01:29:20,260 --> 01:29:22,426
done before. Understood. Yeah.

1078
01:29:25,965 --> 01:29:27,233
okay. Thank you. We appreciate you.

1079
01:29:27,233 --> 01:29:30,833
no problem. Thank you guys. Okay.

1080
01:29:32,305 --> 01:29:35,642
the last thing we had a comment on on revenue. Right?

1081
01:29:35,642 --> 01:29:36,609
left. Yeah. Okay.

1082
01:29:36,609 --> 01:29:42,915
am I left you had to comment on that as well? No, I just obviously we need to

1083
01:29:42,915 --> 01:29:44,850
be pushing I mean the but the revenue numbers for us are counting on that.

1084
01:29:44,850 --> 01:29:53,826
so yeah, we need a lot of fire pretty simple because we were expecting it in the budget so

1085
01:29:53,826 --> 01:29:56,610
if it's not going to happen then it's not going to happen. We got to take it out and we

1086
01:29:56,610 --> 01:29:59,265
got to yeah I don't I'm not sure that we and I'm not sure that I love this practice

1087
01:29:59,265 --> 01:30:05,138
of budgeting the revenue but I mean just because given where we are but let's get some

1088
01:30:05,138 --> 01:30:09,800
clarification on their timing and the feasibility of it because it is it is a

1089
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:11,100
substantial amount of money that does not come through. We're going to have a

1090
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:16,949
significant all about it. Yeah, we booked the revenue in january although originally

1091
01:30:16,949 --> 01:30:21,154
there were some conversation about october but to be abundantly cautious it was

1092
01:30:21,154 --> 01:30:25,858
booked in january they you know had some delays in their process as far as the

1093
01:30:25,858 --> 01:30:31,431
structural and the calculations and wanting to use a private provider.

1094
01:30:31,431 --> 01:30:37,223
and so I had a walk through last january before the agreement was done and you

1095
01:30:37,223 --> 01:30:41,327
know, that took a bit I think they will say which may have been you know, they're just a

1096
01:30:41,327 --> 01:30:45,464
business decision to hold up and not do certain things but I had to walk through purposely

1097
01:30:45,464 --> 01:30:49,201
in january to identify some of these things because I knew structural was going to be at

1098
01:30:49,201 --> 01:30:55,741
the top of the list of having to get that opinion. So we've had multiple emails in

1099
01:30:55,741 --> 01:31:00,280
the last three weeks about where they're at and and they had provided they were going to

1100
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:07,687
come in and provide well they decided to go private provider as a as a as a project so so

1101
01:31:07,687 --> 01:31:15,270
the revenue is booked is for for january can they still make that you know possibly we'll be

1102
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:18,231
getting another update I've been emailing them about every ten days just to see where

1103
01:31:18,231 --> 01:31:28,231
things are at. This is one of the items that I reference when I say if we have

1104
01:31:31,778 --> 01:31:37,450
an outpouring of funds and this does not come through we have a hole in our budget every month

1105
01:31:37,450 --> 01:31:43,255
starting in january. You know let's run that out $20,000 that we then have to

1106
01:31:43,255 --> 01:31:49,928
you know, scramble to try to find. So that's just a perfect

1107
01:31:49,928 --> 01:31:53,999
example of what I was talking about. >> I agree.

1108
01:31:53,999 --> 01:31:57,970
and then and one other thing is yes, ma'am. Anything else I see engineering

1109
01:31:57,970 --> 01:32:03,675
capital improvement and infrastructure projects. I know you all are going to

1110
01:32:03,675 --> 01:32:10,416
hate me when I see page three of the budget I'm on page 345 safe streets for all we've

1111
01:32:10,416 --> 01:32:18,216
allotted here $500,000 almost $469,000 to try to fix the problem of people getting hit

1112
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:28,300
on us one bird road and sunset as you made mentioned before, those are not our streets but

1113
01:32:28,300 --> 01:32:32,638
we are responsible for them when we're doing landscaping here we are taking it another

1114
01:32:32,638 --> 01:32:41,714
step further with a huge chunk of money you don't need to tell me we've got a problem on us

1115
01:32:41,714 --> 01:32:46,418
one with people getting hit or accidents happening. I think the entire world knows

1116
01:32:46,418 --> 01:32:56,395
that to make it seem like we're going to throw $470,000 at this and put up three little signs

1117
01:32:56,395 --> 01:33:03,602
and maybe have a police officer sit there or whatever. I think that's not the best use

1118
01:33:03,602 --> 01:33:08,541
of our money and I said it when the presentation happened we are taking on things that are

1119
01:33:08,541 --> 01:33:12,678
the responsibility of the county or the state because those streets run

1120
01:33:12,678 --> 01:33:19,785
through our city. It doesn't make any sense to me and I don't think we should do

1121
01:33:19,785 --> 01:33:21,421
it. >> so manager what's the funding source for that?

1122
01:33:21,421 --> 01:33:29,821
two 3770 345 I it has as a p yes. >> yes a safety action plan and

1123
01:33:34,466 --> 01:33:39,705
b so unless somebody else's for all of this yeah correct it's in the c ip the reason we

1124
01:33:39,705 --> 01:33:46,712
identified with the sap is so that you understand the project came from a safe streets study

1125
01:33:46,712 --> 01:33:53,152
but it is being funded from three of 1301 which is the c ip which is our money general fund

1126
01:33:53,152 --> 01:33:56,755
money. Thank you. Yes general which line amazon

1127
01:33:56,755 --> 01:34:02,600
it's 345 is the highlight it's it's in the pretty much in the middle the page or yeah if you

1128
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,397
look at where it says engineering capital improvements and infrastructure

1129
01:34:05,397 --> 01:34:14,373
projects there are two items if you look at the tag it says sap and green one is 269 231 is two

1130
01:34:14,373 --> 01:34:19,812
3770 and these are estimates that were put together by the engineer who's conducting the

1131
01:34:19,812 --> 01:34:23,149
plan. I mean they're not hard bids. These are estimates based on,

1132
01:34:23,149 --> 01:34:26,819
you know, the planning efforts based on what has been identified as a deficiency,

1133
01:34:26,819 --> 01:34:30,289
what it may take to correct that. >> and then they give these

1134
01:34:30,289 --> 01:34:33,960
estimates and we hand it to the state and let them figure it out.

1135
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:37,296
>> all right. And commissioner, just for the record, one of those is the us

1136
01:34:37,296 --> 01:34:41,167
one project. The other one is localized is our streets just okay so

1137
01:34:41,167 --> 01:34:45,638
distinction of the two numbers I think we should do our you said not the other you said it

1138
01:34:45,638 --> 01:34:51,644
at the meeting when we reviewed I said before yes and we're totally we focused on a local

1139
01:34:51,644 --> 01:34:55,848
project with a high priority which is that 69th one which is the larkin metro rail

1140
01:34:55,848 --> 01:34:59,986
connection has a lot of foot traffic and no crossings and it was a high incident area.

1141
01:34:59,986 --> 01:35:02,422
>> thank you for remembering what I said. I appreciate it.

1142
01:35:02,422 --> 01:35:07,593
okay. Thank you for that. Mr. Rodriguez let's hopefully

1143
01:35:07,593 --> 01:35:17,503
to close yeah, I just wanted to ask because I couldn't see this to the manager mr. River do we

1144
01:35:17,503 --> 01:35:25,780
have because I couldn't find so regarding the city hall development do we have anywhere

1145
01:35:25,780 --> 01:35:29,214
in the general fund there if we need any shortfall money have we allocated anything any

1146
01:35:29,214 --> 01:35:36,188
monies for that in this budget we don't have anything allocated all right now it's

1147
01:35:36,188 --> 01:35:40,920
still all cost recovery monies that we received from the developer that we're

1148
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,228
replenishing to get the agreement. >> at least you're talking

1149
01:35:43,228 --> 01:35:44,630
about the financing of the construction? >> yeah.

1150
01:35:44,630 --> 01:35:48,768
if there's any shortfalls or anything like that that we've got to put up money.

1151
01:35:48,768 --> 01:35:51,937
>> we have nothing in this but this particular budget for fiscal year 27 we have nothing

1152
01:35:51,937 --> 01:35:57,430
in now we kept it off the cfp as well because we have a crt that's one of the discussions.

1153
01:35:57,430 --> 01:36:03,515
anything that's in the crt can be funded with crt money. So to in the name of precaution

1154
01:36:03,515 --> 01:36:08,530
we left it off the p I think let's let's level set which is we're not expecting to have

1155
01:36:08,530 --> 01:36:14,930
any capital expenditures on the year they started in 27.28. Yeah right.

1156
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:18,230
okay. Just really quick on this subject matter just for

1157
01:36:18,230 --> 01:36:24,670
everybody to keep I don't know if we actually made decision I discussed this with the manager

1158
01:36:24,670 --> 01:36:31,577
are we going to finally approve doing the fifth floor? >> can we let's let's table

1159
01:36:31,577 --> 01:36:35,481
that conversation for okay I just wanted to bring it up. >> okay.

1160
01:36:35,481 --> 01:36:39,510
okay. Seeing nothing else on the budget in a motion to adopt

1161
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:42,421
item one we need to open a public hearing. Oh, we need open public

1162
01:36:42,421 --> 01:36:43,455
hearing. Okay. And wait.

1163
01:36:43,455 --> 01:36:45,240
but we do. There's any member of the public would like to

1164
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:50,429
address this commission on either items 1 or 2 on tonight's special city

1165
01:36:50,429 --> 01:36:52,298
commission meeting regarding the city budget. Please come forward at this

1166
01:36:52,298 --> 01:36:57,690
time, madam clerk and also if there's anyone on line if you could recognize them as well.

1167
01:36:57,690 --> 01:37:02,516
no one is on line see no one in the chamber coming forward and no one on line.

1168
01:37:02,516 --> 01:37:08,121
we will close the public hearing on the budget items one and two is there a motion to

1169
01:37:08,121 --> 01:37:12,826
adopt item one are we going to address what we just talked about about the safe street

1170
01:37:12,826 --> 01:37:16,997
thing or are we addressing that off line and it's going to be whatever we decide will be

1171
01:37:16,997 --> 01:37:20,566
fixed? >> do you you want to give I'm sorry what would be the

1172
01:37:20,566 --> 01:37:22,936
direction you'd want to give the manager with respect to that item?

1173
01:37:22,936 --> 01:37:27,540
I if we have a split between our streets and the state streets I just want to do our

1174
01:37:27,540 --> 01:37:34,680
streets at the state worry about the state street the longer that we continue to pick

1175
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:38,218
up their slack the longer they're not going to do it. It's like saying I have

1176
01:37:38,218 --> 01:37:42,556
alligator head to toe, madam commissioner. >> I mean I agree in principle

1177
01:37:42,556 --> 01:37:46,760
but the reason the state budget has not grown to be the size of new york's because we do

1178
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:50,564
is they reduced services by reduced because the state investment does not keep track

1179
01:37:50,564 --> 01:37:54,734
with inflation. I understand I was a state legislature.

1180
01:37:54,734 --> 01:37:57,104
we played that game for many years. They they that's how they keep

1181
01:37:57,104 --> 01:38:01,574
a cap on revenues the governor pounds is just about how fiscally conservative are what

1182
01:38:01,574 --> 01:38:05,378
it is the service reduction and we're seeing in the fact that we pick up the costs for

1183
01:38:05,378 --> 01:38:09,315
maintaining right away so we've now got to pick up the cost for paying to improve capital

1184
01:38:09,315 --> 01:38:11,170
improvements on street where people are getting hit and killed.

1185
01:38:11,170 --> 01:38:17,290
so I understand the sentiment and I agree with the sentiment but unfortunately at the local

1186
01:38:17,290 --> 01:38:19,250
level this is where the buck stops. >> then why don't we do our

1187
01:38:19,250 --> 01:38:25,331
streets this year and then look at us one next year and what would you prefer we do with the

1188
01:38:25,331 --> 01:38:28,735
230? >> well, one of them as mr. Munoz just pointed out, they

1189
01:38:28,735 --> 01:38:34,735
separated them because those $270,000 roughly $240,000 roughly that relates to the

1190
01:38:34,808 --> 01:38:39,279
state streets. >> so what would be your proposal for that money?

1191
01:38:39,279 --> 01:38:45,718
I would propose that we like just like I would there's two line items 230 and 269 or

1192
01:38:45,718 --> 01:38:49,589
something along those lines. Take the one that is our local what would we do with the money

1193
01:38:49,589 --> 01:38:52,892
we're saving? >> you know what we can come up with any one of a million so

1194
01:38:52,892 --> 01:38:56,429
why don't we do this? >> let's move it. Let's move it as it is.

1195
01:38:56,429 --> 01:39:00,367
I think at the next meeting what I would ask is if you have a proposal for how to use that

1196
01:39:00,367 --> 01:39:04,300
money right, whether it's the banking in a reserve but it's just the fund money.

1197
01:39:04,300 --> 01:39:08,441
>> so even if we just said right now we're saving it in our rainy day fund or whatever

1198
01:39:08,441 --> 01:39:13,847
you want to call it because we have $40,000 in discretionary funds, it's surplus folks.

1199
01:39:13,847 --> 01:39:18,818
>> I think you know, these conversations are good conversations but we spent the

1200
01:39:18,818 --> 01:39:22,522
money on doing a study and we're using part of it. Well, hold on.

1201
01:39:22,522 --> 01:39:26,526
so I just wanted to follow up please. So in order to I mean I've been

1202
01:39:26,526 --> 01:39:30,530
pretty big on safe streets here and we've been working on the traffic allocations all the

1203
01:39:30,530 --> 01:39:34,534
different zones. What happens is that the main major artery is was one so we

1204
01:39:34,534 --> 01:39:38,405
can't really we can't do one without the other. I'll give you an example and so

1205
01:39:38,405 --> 01:39:44,770
I'll give you an example on 77th street going out we need to touch us one so we can

1206
01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:47,914
change the traffic allocations throughout that whole area. So one kind of goes in the

1207
01:39:47,914 --> 01:39:51,151
other. That's why you have these different areas all combined

1208
01:39:51,151 --> 01:39:54,954
with the major artery. That issue is one so it's not easy to say let's just do one

1209
01:39:54,954 --> 01:39:58,825
and not the other interconnect them in the streets. I mean one street is allocated

1210
01:39:58,825 --> 01:40:04,831
to another street. I would just ask you to just let's go talk to the director

1211
01:40:04,831 --> 01:40:08,568
and figure out what the differences are, how they're interconnected and if we can

1212
01:40:08,568 --> 01:40:10,370
separate them. I would agree with you. I just don't think you can.

1213
01:40:10,370 --> 01:40:13,390
let's just ask that question. >> okay? Okay.

1214
01:40:13,390 --> 01:40:17,977
I would suggest the following. I would like to see that money you're not going to spend it

1215
01:40:17,977 --> 01:40:20,613
there. I would suggest as an alternative we have I don't

1216
01:40:20,613 --> 01:40:30,213
believe any money allocated for enterprise park and or manor manor lane park that would be

1217
01:40:31,290 --> 01:40:34,994
$250,000 which has been I think that's a good idea but okay so fine.

1218
01:40:34,994 --> 01:40:39,310
so you want to take 250 out but we're going to put it into parks capital improvements we

1219
01:40:39,310 --> 01:40:42,335
can okay, fine. Let's show that as the as a change.

1220
01:40:42,335 --> 01:40:46,205
okay. >> okay. Or we can do as as commission.

1221
01:40:46,205 --> 01:40:49,809
okay. You just said to have the conversation and see hey, can

1222
01:40:49,809 --> 01:40:53,179
we do this without this? If the answer is no is the answer yes or no can we do want

1223
01:40:53,179 --> 01:40:54,914
to leave the other one for next year? >> right as the commissioner

1224
01:40:54,914 --> 01:41:00,153
was speaking it dawned on me that some of those us one are going to help us because

1225
01:41:00,153 --> 01:41:04,910
they're crossing related and they improve the intersections which is a separate project

1226
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:08,494
that hasn't been funded yet. We're still waiting so I think we need the time to just look

1227
01:41:08,494 --> 01:41:11,765
at which ones are those and tell you that have time to come back and tell you which ones

1228
01:41:11,765 --> 01:41:15,868
make sense of that number. It's different projects. There's like 5 or 6 listed

1229
01:41:15,868 --> 01:41:17,870
there. I got to look at which ones they are.

1230
01:41:17,870 --> 01:41:18,938
yes. And come back. Okay.

1231
01:41:18,938 --> 01:41:23,609
no, just on the enterprise we're actually moving forward with this year's funds to to do

1232
01:41:23,609 --> 01:41:30,917
signage and some benches so you may not need the money for that is what I'm saying is okay.

1233
01:41:30,917 --> 01:41:34,554
>> that's right. So let's let's do this bring us back a proposal for an ad out

1234
01:41:34,554 --> 01:41:38,725
right. You know strike out and then that in for a for a couple

1235
01:41:38,725 --> 01:41:42,295
of alternatives we can discuss at the next budget hearing. Okay.

1236
01:41:42,295 --> 01:41:46,299
thank you. Thank you so first reading is there a motion to adopt?

1237
01:41:46,299 --> 01:41:52,839
I don't want I'm sorry which is the million if a motion to have a second okay have a

1238
01:41:52,839 --> 01:41:55,775
motion by commissioner but each second by commissioner guy just for the record mayor that's a

1239
01:41:55,775 --> 01:42:02,548
motion to adopt a 3.95 millage rate which is a 6.83% increase over the role that we've got

1240
01:42:02,548 --> 01:42:09,748
adopted unanimously. >> correct me to what the unanimous there needs to be

1241
01:42:09,789 --> 01:42:13,426
four votes given that yes, in the end for adoption you are you are.

1242
01:42:13,426 --> 01:42:14,761
>> that's right. I apologize. Thank you.

1243
01:42:14,761 --> 01:42:18,300
okay, madam clerk, you can call the roll, please. >> yes, commissioner.

1244
01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:21,300
yes, commissioner rodriguez. Yes. Yes.

1245
01:42:21,234 --> 01:42:24,737
mayor fernandez. Yes. There motion for item two which

1246
01:42:24,737 --> 01:42:28,709
is the adoption of the budget and tentative budget. >> I'll move it with the

1247
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:32,979
stipulation that you just and the direction provided to the manager through her discussion.

1248
01:42:32,979 --> 01:42:35,916
>> okay. I seconded her motion by commissioner bonita second by

1249
01:42:35,916 --> 01:42:38,852
commissioner rodriguez. Madam clerk, if you can call the roll please.

1250
01:42:38,852 --> 01:42:40,319
>> yes, commissioner. Money? Yes, mr. Rodriguez.

1251
01:42:40,319 --> 01:42:43,319
yes, commissioner. Yes. Mayor fernandez.

1252
01:42:43,556 --> 01:42:46,793
thank you. Yes. Okay with that we stand

1253
01:42:46,793 --> 01:42:48,793
adjourned until 715 minutes