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members of the public

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it's great to see such a nice turnout

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for a special occasion for us um so

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we're here tonight to uh pay tribute to

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mr fred parker

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fred's contribution to the fire services

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has been significant and spans almost

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seven decades

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which i believe is probably never

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happened before

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uh my time with fred has been quite

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short due to my inception here not too

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long ago

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but he has actually been a quite an

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inspiration to me and he is the perfect

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example of dedication and commitment to

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service

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on behalf of student fire rescue i'd

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like to thank you for your service

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so i'll make some introductions now and

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before i do that i would also like to

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actually um recognize fred's lovely wife

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val she couldn't be here tonight she's a

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little bit under the weather but uh

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along with fred uh pursuing his career

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and being in it for such a long time

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he's obviously had the support of a

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loving wife so that's uh

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special in these circumstances and we

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appreciate her support as well thank you

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so tonight with me uh there's a few

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gentlemen that are going to say a few

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words um

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deputy chief matt barney just stand up

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matt please

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okay we have retired deputy chief rick

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mccloud please stand up please

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and we have the firefighters association

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president paul sutherland

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and before everybody sits down i would

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retired fire marshal fred uh parker

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please stand up

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okay thank you fred okay i'll uh i'll

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pass it over to deputy chief party

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all right so yeah we'd just like to

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present and have an honor

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within our

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joining department

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parker

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okay thanks everybody um

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mayor tate want to say a few words

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thank you thank you everyone and um on

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behalf of council in the district of

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sioux fred we do wish to extend our

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gratitude to your to yourself and to

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your family

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i have here a certificate for the 11

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years that you served with us but i know

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that you're obviously your history is so

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much longer than that and just thank you

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for being an inspiration and a mentor to

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it seems though in suit that once you

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retire

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serving as a volunteer from one

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organization you'll soon have a few

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others waiting to scoop you up so

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excited to see what the next leg of your

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journey will lead to and no doubt you

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would um be welcome anywhere you went

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and be a leader and an inspiration to

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many and but of course if you just

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choose to enjoy time with your family

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i'm sure we could all respect that as

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well at least for a few days

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thank you everyone so that completes the

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if you would like to stay of course we'd

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however if you feel that you're here

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just for the presentation this might be

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a good time to exit

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thank you

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okay thanks everyone

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okay turning back to

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our agenda tonight our next delegation

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is item 5.2 and this is our building

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permit process and tonight we welcome a

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presentation from mr herb haldane so mr

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haldane if you could please come up

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you'll just need to turn on the

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microphone

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and when you begin your presentation

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we'll begin the timer and you have five

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we'll just see if we can fix it so that

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the folks viewing from home can hear you

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sorry about that everyone just a small

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challenge here that's okay

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all right go ahead mr hellman

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uh yeah hello um herb haldane 3118

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um the reason i came here tonight i

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guess originally i was gonna go over a

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bunch of the particulars on what i like

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didn't like and

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what other people have mentioned to me

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about what's

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poor about the process and stuff but

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i think at this point more importantly

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what i need to do is to come up with a

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solution to how we can get where we need

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to get on both sides

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you guys have a provincial mandate to

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come up with more housing to try and

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streamline systems in development and in

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building permit process

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and i'd like to be a part of how we can

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maybe make that work so rather than this

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be about criticizing and coming up with

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who did what who could do something

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better worse or otherwise

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i think my proposal here would be to

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come up with a committee structure with

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a couple of counselors

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people in the industry and then some

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staff members of course

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and then you could basically put your

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heads together in what's worked in the

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i mean i built my first house in 1989

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and then i'm still doing it today

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having experience in how we got there

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back then all the way to how we're not

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getting there now and whether it's 40

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days two and a half months which was my

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last permit or whether it takes three

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months or so on we have to come to a to

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a an idea process and how we can make

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that work better and the only way we do

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that is if we put our heads together

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rather than

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us you know adversarially go at each

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other whose fault it is or who made it

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work poorly or whatnot we've got a bunch

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of new staff and we've had staff turn

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over over the years here and every time

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we do get new people in some think they

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have a better idea of how to make some

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stuff work or not but we have had stuff

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work in the past really well

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in some cases and stuff worked poorly in

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the past in some cases so i think if we

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put our heads together with some new

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people new ideas i think we could

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probably get to where we need to go i've

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met most of the staff we've all talked

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on different levels i've met maya now

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for coffee quite a few times to go over

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some of the issues that i've been having

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and basically come to the realization

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that

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adversarially doesn't make anything work

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and we can keep splitting up our town

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over ideas and how we can fix stuff and

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if one side stands their ground the

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other side fights them on it and we have

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another election we turn over new people

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we can go back and forth for years but i

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just as soon come up with some solutions

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that we can work in a bipartisan way

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here so we can start getting something

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done if the province pushes their weight

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and makes us do it a different way then

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we won't have any choices so if we show

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the maturity here and make it work

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especially as a group as a small town

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maybe we can come to conclusion and make

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this take two weeks or three weeks or

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something reasonable for everybody and

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maybe we can get some housing out of it

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the big thing to remember is this is

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single-family homes part nine of the

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building code it's not engineers it's

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multi-family and it's not commercial

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it's just part nine single-family homes

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and some have suites and so on but you

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know if we can get to a place where we

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can get people into rental housing for

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reasonable and we can start getting

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people into

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to for sale housing for a reasonable

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amount of money and i don't expect

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everybody knows how to make that work or

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not but

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according to the national stuff that

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i've been reading it's a canadian

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problem it's not just a sig problem it's

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not just langford problem so it's right

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across the country even in nova scotia

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and places like that they're having

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housing problems for fighting rent

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problems so those were the places we

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thought we could go for cheaper housing

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for retirement and stuff like that well

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that's not happening anymore there

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either so

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um i'd like to be on the committee if we

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could set something up i mean that's up

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to you guys to decide whether you're

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interested in something like that but i

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think it's a good opportunity for staff

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to get to know some of the development

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community some of the counselors to get

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to know some of the development

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community and then we can all work

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together at a solution

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keep in mind

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development brings in a lot of money to

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the community so if you want stuff paid

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for in that we have to find a way to

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work with them because we're going to

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have a lot of expectations coming up in

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the future because

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the one thing to stop traffic from going

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into langford in this town is to start

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getting some stuff in our own town we

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need a movie theater here for kids and

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for adults and stuff we need another

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sheet of ice we need more sports fields

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we need a lot of stuff so

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the only way we're going to make that

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happen is if we come together so

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that's about it

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thank you mr haldane i see some members

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of council have some questions so if you

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don't mind just no you know for a bit

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we'll see councillor betos

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yeah i guess uh i find this extremely

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frustrating because it was three years

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ago you came to us with the similar uh

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problems

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and uh we had the mayor uh council

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logins and myself and all the

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contractors around up here

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with staff and we hashed out a two to

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three week period for permits correct

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that was three years ago and it's gone

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from so and what went wrong in those

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three years because i thought we had

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this almost licked that

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well i think what happens is when you

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again you get new people and it's not

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that they're not experienced or who

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knows where they come from the

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experience is different so you got other

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people doing different jobs and maybe

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people are adapting to new jobs when

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they get here so there's a bit of a

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learning curve with it

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i always talk and you probably heard me

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in the paper it's a micromanagement

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situation as far as i'm concerned and

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the only reason i say that is because i

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know how commercial's done i've been

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involved in it before and i know how

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multi-family's done and we're using the

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multi-family in the commercial way in

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order to deal with part nine

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single-family homes when you get to the

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everything passed there's the building

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department it's part nine tony and brad

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are quite capable of coming on the

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property and telling you whether those

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drains are hooked up properly telling

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you whether or not that foundation is on

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solid ground telling you whether or not

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it follows the building code and that's

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all that anybody asked for in single

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family when you get into commercial and

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and into multi-family there's

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expectations of engineering and

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geotechnical architects are involved

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there's a whole litany of things and i

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guess the point i'm trying to make is

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that three years ago we were on that

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right track and for at some point after

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that it must have worked because i i

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didn't hear anything from you in the

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first year or so so was it sort of

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corrected at that it did it corrected

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for for a period of time okay i mean to

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give you an example back in 2013

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we went to a 48-hour building permit and

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to give you an idea how that worked and

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this is what langford does and not that

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langford has the only solution but

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callwood does it too but they take

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longer but the thing is you can give a

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checklist and that checklist is checked

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off and those builders get to go and

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they start the permit you've got three

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months or two months before you're even

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going to get to a framing stage where

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you need the guys to come in and do your

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framing inspection last two months that

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staff would have time to go over all the

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details to make sure all those ducks are

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in order and those boxes that were

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checked off are correct

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if they're not correct then the whole

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project stops stops like a buck watch

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and that's based on what the builder

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brought to the table so if they're short

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if they didn't have the proper

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um trusses they don't have the proper

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building materials in the proper drains

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and electrical and plumbing and stuff

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like that and this isn't done to code

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then it stops until it's all taken care

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of

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so that's why they can push it further

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in language still gives staff the

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opportunity to look at the whole thing

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and they can go through all of it

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but what you do is you check off the

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boxes the problem is right now we don't

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have all the boxes

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so when i applied for the recent

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building permit they do have some stuff

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in the building department you check off

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and all that stuff's handed in before

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they'll even take your permit well then

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engineering planning environmental stuff

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they come up with some other stuff it's

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almost like a referral process for

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single-family homes and it shouldn't be

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happening that way referral process is

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done during the rezone stage then again

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during the development permit stage so

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there should be no reason to have to do

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it once you get to the building of the

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actual house the subdivisions are passed

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subdivided registered and everything

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should be done properly up to that point

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if they're not it shouldn't be a

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a builder or somebody who bought the lot

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for their own single family purpose it's

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not their responsibility it's a

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responsibility of

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let's say the engineering department or

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planning department to deal with the

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person who did the subdivision to

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correct whatever mistakes are made it

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shouldn't be up to the builder but

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that's what's holding up some of these

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permits because sometimes subdivisions

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will go through

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their registration everything else and

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in the case the last one we were doing

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they were missing a

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water meter box because it was a duplex

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instead of a single family and there was

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an expectation of a bigger

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pipe for the load for the sewer on the

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way out but you know when you're

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purchasing a duplex lot you're assuming

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that once the district has let it allow

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i don't want to cut you off but i i i

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get you i get your point and uh and i

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thank you for bringing that in because

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it's uh i think it's pretty frustrating

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for all of us to to hear that and i just

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had a

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talk to a friend on the weekend and she

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was remodeling a kitchen and the builder

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that came in he wasn't even a soup

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builder

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said don't alter anything on the outside

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because it's three months to get a

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permit

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and that's going to our citizens and uh

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that really really disturbs me so there

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is something broken here and it's

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something needs to be fixed so

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we need to get our heads together

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collectively and get on with this

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because it's been going on

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before even i became a counselor because

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i had problems with that same thing it

401
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is a problem we need to get it fixed and

402
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we're we're listening we hear you

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thank you councillor betos councillor

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bateman

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yeah i'd agree with councillor bettos um

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it's a problem that needs fixing of

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course it is a

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problem that dates back at least to 2012

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from the launch of your land use and

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environment committee back then

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um

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to your idea of a committee i think

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that's a great idea perhaps a task force

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might be best

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situated

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short-term

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work with staff given that we have this

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incoming

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grant

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for

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to streamline the system and we're

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looking at a september

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2023 next year to implement the system

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and

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undoubtedly the expertise of the

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building community is needed to

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participate in that process so i would

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think a task force would be a good

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logical

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way to move forward with that

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um

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i think

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you know i'd like to just

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note that in our strategic plan

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back in 2019 we did cite as one of the

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top priorities is improve efficiency and

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staffing capacity of the building permit

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department and we then then went about

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and this followed the hiring of a chief

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administrative officer a key

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the key position in this staff

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operation uh the hire of a chief

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building official

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um

445
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a new building bylaw and the improvement

446
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of permitting times and we've done those

447
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three things

448
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um there were a series of

449
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steps to get there

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um

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we're looking at

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we did introduce a new application form

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and checklist

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in consultation with the building

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committee and that was summer of 2019

456
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that did reduce the time lag for the

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average low density residential permit

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by about 30 approximately

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um

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and now we've we've gone through uh with

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the new building code and now this

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project grant and of course the other

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week the approval of new staff to help

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uh facilitate the process

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i'm curious about uh this 48 48-hour um

466
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building permit and and i referred to it

467
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as a bit of an urban myth the other week

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and i just

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i i look at langford's 48-hour

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two-day building permit checklist and

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all required documents must be included

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in the submitted application package to

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qualify

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and then there's a long checklist here

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of

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about i don't know 20 items that

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so i think i suspect that their two-day

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checklist is preceded by a a good i

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don't know how long

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um to get there now you note that um

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i think in your

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the letter you submitted tonight

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um

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[Music]

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sorry i received that quite late in the

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day

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where is this

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yeah you refer to many municipalities

489
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building permits are processed in a few

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days now

491
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could you cite those municipalities so

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that we have an idea of who we should be

493
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emulating well i don't work in i mean

494
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basically i only work in suk anymore i

495
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used to work in oak bay and victoria and

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saanich and so on

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so i'm not necessarily able to tell you

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exactly how many days each one is other

499
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than langford because in langford at

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this point here i do lend uh help to

501
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some people who are building a language

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detached suites and otherwise

503
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it's like i was saying there a minute

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ago the whole idea behind any short

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process and don't get me wrong it's not

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about trying to skirt the system so that

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you can do stuff without having any

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oversight the whole idea is to getting

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all your legals in order and and even a

510
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geotechnical report say so you can start

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building a foundation

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because really at this point unless the

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uh tony or brad go there they're allowed

514
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to decide whether the ground conditions

515
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are conducive to building a house but if

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you get a geotechnical report then it's

517
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taken care of some liabilities off the

518
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district or anybody else in case you

519
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,760
wanted to start building a house there's

520
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,440
still what langford does there's still a

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process of going through all the

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applications and it does take a month

523
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and sometimes probably even two months

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but most of those applications take

525
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between uh building the foundation and

526
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:49,760
doing the framing you don't really need

527
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to get to that point until you're at

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lock up so so they do have time to go

529
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through a lot of the stuff what they try

530
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to do is they try to get rid of the

531
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starting gate and get them going first

532
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and then they go through the

533
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applications and

534
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99 percent of the time they don't find

535
00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:05,840
anything or anything wrong with it i

536
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,200
mean i think the biggest thing they run

537
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,279
into sometimes is an environmental issue

538
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,960
with regard to uh riparian setbacks or

539
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,159
stuns but

540
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other than that everybody i mean there's

541
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a 10-year home warranty from all these

542
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:20,000
guys so the last thing you need is

543
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,440
issues that show up because you're

544
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,039
personally liable it's not like your

545
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:24,480
company can go bankrupt you can start

546
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,240
all over again tomorrow you have to take

547
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that liability right right with you to

548
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,559
your own home to your own bank account

549
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,720
so there's not too many guys around who

550
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,640
want to try and you know put themselves

551
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,960
in a compromising situation by doing

552
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,120
anything wrong and none of the the

553
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,640
trades the reason they found that

554
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,399
building in langford there the one that

555
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:44,240
they're having issues with the trades

556
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,600
the trades came through and said hey you

557
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,039
need twice as much steel in this

558
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,559
building that we're putting in it was

559
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:50,640
actually the architect was at fault so

560
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,240
you got trades guys who are saying hey

561
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,679
we should be building this better

562
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:55,600
different to a higher standard and the

563
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,720
other ones who picked up on it and

564
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,559
that's how the whole thing started

565
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:00,480
to come out the way it was so

566
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,799
my point is even in my situation i've

567
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,360
got framers drywallers and and

568
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,799
electricians and plumbers and stuff who

569
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:08,320
are saying no we have to follow this

570
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,480
line of the code even if you want to try

571
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,000
and maybe make a bathroom fit or

572
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,039
something you didn't quite end up with

573
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:14,559
enough room because some wall had to

574
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,720
move whatever they tell you no you have

575
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,720
to do this way there's concrete poured

576
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,399
in all the garage walls to cover any of

577
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:22,080
the wires now they go right to the panel

578
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,159
boxes there guys were skipping out on

579
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:26,000
that for a few years until

580
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,440
inspectors were coming around tapping on

581
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,880
walls and stuff there is an electrician

582
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,559
that i know around who won't make you

583
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,000
put that concrete in before he lets you

584
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,520
put the drive over now it won't give you

585
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,600
the certification paper you need well mr

586
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,760
holding i have to say that i'm out of my

587
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,559
depth here completely completely so this

588
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,559
is why a task force makes some sense i

589
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:46,559
mean in 2018 a very short term land use

590
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,880
and development committee was formed and

591
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,799
i believe you were on that committee

592
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:53,440
berger randy clarkson and others yeah

593
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,480
and in the in that year you

594
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,240
there were a number of important

595
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,080
recommendations made for the building

596
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,960
code which were in fact implemented into

597
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,279
the model bc building code or mibc

598
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,000
building code that we've adopted so yeah

599
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,399
i would i would think a task force would

600
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:14,159
make some good sense well and a guy like

601
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:16,000
randy clarkson i mean

602
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,200
i don't know if don't if you've met him

603
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,720
or not whatever but he's got so much

604
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,960
experience he was a builder a bricklayer

605
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,960
you know so he's a tradesperson and now

606
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,679
he's been doing plans for probably 30 35

607
00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:26,559
years

608
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,679
so he knows all the players he knows

609
00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:32,000
dozens of engineers dozens of architects

610
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,279
and stuff like that he's just a great

611
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:34,720
guy to have a community and

612
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,880
don't kid yourself i learn all the time

613
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,399
whether i'm learning even from your own

614
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:40,000
staff and things like the rules change

615
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,679
you don't always pay attention so i

616
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:42,880
think between

617
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,360
three different you know walks of life

618
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,679
here all joining into the same thing

619
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:49,360
people like yourselves

620
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,200
your staff you've got a very capable

621
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,120
staff here we all need to learn from

622
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,240
each other and there's some experience

623
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,240
and yeah i talked with norm not too long

624
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,520
ago and i said you know maybe a little

625
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,279
bit more negotiation and that doesn't

626
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:00,640
always go over that well when you talk

627
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,399
negotiation because everybody always

628
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:04,399
assumes that nothing's in stone i mean

629
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:06,559
your bylaws say specific things and

630
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,320
rules say specifics but i think

631
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,159
negotiation is a term should be used to

632
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:12,000
come down to find out where the common

633
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,080
ground is so everybody knows because

634
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,520
i'm sure i learned from them but i'm

635
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,679
sure they can learn from from the trades

636
00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:19,440
and from some of the people in the town

637
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,559
because there's a lot of history

638
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:22,000
involved there that doesn't necessarily

639
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,760
get passed down when they get hired on

640
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,039
here and stuff that we've already gone

641
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,399
through before

642
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:28,559
and tony and brad have have that

643
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,720
institutional memory and we have as

644
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,799
their chief building official the former

645
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:33,840
uh

646
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,640
the province of yukon territory yukon

647
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,000
right so

648
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,919
it's it's quite a quite a significant

649
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:43,909
group of people to gather too

650
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:47,430
yes

651
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,279
okay thank you councillor bateman

652
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,600
councillor laginess

653
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,679
yeah i think the idea of a task force

654
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:55,120
sorry council elections can you just

655
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,679
turn your microphone off um thank you

656
00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:00,399
just because i could hear you breathing

657
00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:02,559
i think the idea of a task force is a

658
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,559
good idea i like the idea of working

659
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,720
together and i think that

660
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,200
this should not be an insurmountable

661
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,519
problem it's not the first house that's

662
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:13,679
been built in suk that we're talking

663
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:16,159
about and i think

664
00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:17,600
working together we should be able to

665
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,640
solve this in pretty short order i would

666
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,720
think

667
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,480
okay thank you councillor st pierre

668
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,080
uh as it happens there was some

669
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,840
discussion just recently in the land use

670
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,679
and development committee by a lot of

671
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:32,960
very knowledgeable people on these

672
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,320
issues because they're very current and

673
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,950
they're very real

674
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,880
what i'd like to do is maybe ask through

675
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,480
your worship to staff mr apollo

676
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,640
we do have some movement forward we have

677
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,799
some solutions in the works or i don't

678
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:48,000
want solutions but we're trying to find

679
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,519
solutions in the works

680
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,360
i'm actually curious about the timeline

681
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,960
because uh we've talked about looking

682
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,640
for efficiencies that's

683
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,200
i i i see it in the minutes of our last

684
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,240
meeting

685
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,840
i know that we're looking at uh

686
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,679
potentially finding out where some of

687
00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:02,799
the bottlenecks are in terms of

688
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,000
professional certifications and getting

689
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,600
professionals where can we skip them and

690
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,039
where can the district take on more risk

691
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:08,799
and actually speed things up but i'm

692
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,159
curious as to when we can actually be

693
00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:11,440
looking at some of the stuff maybe

694
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,919
rolling out or coming before council

695
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:16,080
what's the timeline on that and in terms

696
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,679
of the task force i think that bringing

697
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:19,440
in additional experts could be useful

698
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,039
but we already actually have

699
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:22,559
quite a lot of really good people on the

700
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,480
land use and development committee and i

701
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,480
think that we really need a goal

702
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,919
uh so for example one of the things that

703
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:30,159
uh lankford did do was they decide on a

704
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,559
goal 48 hours that might not be our goal

705
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,320
but as has been suggested if we decide

706
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,679
our goal is two weeks or three weeks or

707
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:37,519
whatever the hell it is

708
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,519
we find a way to reach that goal and we

709
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:40,960
put some people on it and we figure how

710
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,960
to get to that goal i don't know that we

711
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,640
need specifically a task force but i

712
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,919
think that we should actually set some

713
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:47,039
objectives

714
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:48,559
and then find a time lag to reach those

715
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:55,990
objectives

716
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,480
so we've just begun the the review of of

717
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,559
these items and this was uh the item

718
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,039
that uh ceo mechanism had mentioned to

719
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,919
council uh previously so that works

720
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:08,080
currently underway i'd like that work to

721
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,840
be completed over the the course of the

722
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,440
next few weeks so

723
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,559
you know if this is something that we

724
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:13,600
can

725
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,960
get back to to council with an update uh

726
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,640
but by the end of

727
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,039
say next month since march

728
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:22,799
tomorrow that would that would ideally

729
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,200
be a good goal to to inform council of

730
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,039
where we're headed with this and also

731
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:28,960
reporting back to the land use uh

732
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640
committee as well with uh the

733
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,320
recommendations that they had made to

734
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,720
staff and what our findings are uh based

735
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,880
on that because i think that will also

736
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,960
inform a process if we're to

737
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,720
strike a task force to kind of bring in

738
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,960
some of that um

739
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,039
already researched information

740
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:48,080
um based on that group's expertise and

741
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,120
then also with with a task force if it's

742
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,519
put together um the those local

743
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,440
community members also contributing to

744
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,279
that information piece so you know if we

745
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:58,720
can if we can establish something over

746
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,080
the course of the next month or so that

747
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,480
would that would be ideal uh moving

748
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,120
forward on this in the meantime um as

749
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,799
was mentioned uh tonight about the

750
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,800
hiring of another billing official uh

751
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,320
the other goal is of course also making

752
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,960
progress through those uh development or

753
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,960
building permits that we currently have

754
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,960
under review uh which we are making

755
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,679
progress on uh already just since last

756
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,480
week with the hiring

757
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,560
just if i can add to that so my

758
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,720
understanding is the hiring and you just

759
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:29,040
mentioned mr powell just to catch up on

760
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,560
some of the backlog

761
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,520
uh part of it also my understanding is

762
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,480
there's been identified of some process

763
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,599
issues in the current building bylaw so

764
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,480
those will be coming to council

765
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,639
where staff have identified some process

766
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,200
problems that need to be remedied so

767
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,399
that's also in the works now

768
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:51,200
uh

769
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,159
and then

770
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,560
in terms of using the word task force if

771
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,079
if we move in that direction it would

772
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,920
probably be easier just for the mayor

773
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,680
myself to call a standing committee

774
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,760
because then it's um it's a very

775
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,040
specific one and can move faster than a

776
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,440
select committee so just thinking of

777
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,960
local government contacts and what works

778
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,320
so do we have standing or select

779
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,359
committees there uh in either form

780
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:17,119
um

781
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,040
and then the other piece just i had

782
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,200
asked inquired today a bit more about

783
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,880
what happened to the 48 hour building

784
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,760
permit so back in the day when it it was

785
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,240
a direction of council back in

786
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,040
2012 or 11 or 13 or whatever year it was

787
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200
it never became a policy though it just

788
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,079
became a direction at that day

789
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,640
and then there's been subsequent reports

790
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,599
out

791
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,320
where staff identified at the time

792
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,800
that we were running into some capacity

793
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,760
issues to meet that so that was 2016 it

794
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,160
looks like when uh they reported out to

795
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,040
council that we're not able to meet this

796
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,040
so it did come to a council meeting at

797
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,520
that time and then the problem for many

798
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,320
years was not increasing the capacity so

799
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,079
then we ran into a point where we didn't

800
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:03,760
even have a planner working at the

801
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,560
district um and our

802
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,640
building inspectors we only had two and

803
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,960
one was on leave so that leaves one

804
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,040
person trying to do a lot

805
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:13,760
so

806
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,680
things did go awry and i'm not trying to

807
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,599
make excuses just sort of explaining

808
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,280
what happened here so then over the

809
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,960
years

810
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,880
uh things have changed i think the last

811
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,839
time

812
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:25,839
there was an update was in 2018 and

813
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:27,839
there was a legal challenge about the

814
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:29,839
districts and the liability that the

815
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,760
district would be exposed to so there

816
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,240
were some concerns raised there

817
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:35,839
and then it did pick up though i think

818
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:38,720
it was 2019 when we met here three years

819
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,480
ago my goodness

820
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,040
and then of course with the pandemic the

821
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,880
challenge that we have there is we did

822
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,440
have staff depart new staff joined us

823
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,800
and then our operations were

824
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,200
to recall the words of the minister of

825
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,440
of affairs at that time said we're all

826
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,280
building an airplane and flying it at

827
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,280
the same time well for me the airplane

828
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,119
hasn't landed yet it's still kind of in

829
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:02,240
the air

830
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:03,920
i think it's about to touch down soon

831
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,000
which would be great but still up there

832
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,960
so anything built in that type of a way

833
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,359
is not sustainable there's good people

834
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:13,280
for sure but if you're going to build an

835
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,200
operation and then run it at the same

836
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,520
time it was meant to be i think for a

837
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,440
very short period of time i don't know

838
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,040
that any of us wanted to believe the

839
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,880
pandemic was going to stretch on as long

840
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,240
as it has

841
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,240
i certainly did hear that from someone

842
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:27,520
but i didn't want to believe it at the

843
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,920
time and now here we are two years later

844
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,000
so and then of course just an

845
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,680
overwhelming demand and interest in our

846
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,359
community that i think is beyond what

847
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:37,680
anyone just thought so there's all of

848
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,680
those pieces there but i think what i

849
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,520
want to assure you at the moment is that

850
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,960
we really appreciate you coming here

851
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,160
tonight

852
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,400
i think um we'll look for the solution

853
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,200
and

854
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,880
i think matthew wanted

855
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,800
not the end of this month but an update

856
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,599
at the end of next month or sooner so we

857
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,000
can we'll continually check in on how

858
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,520
we're doing

859
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,040
um

860
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,359
and then look to identify those so i

861
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:03,200
think that's where we do have the land

862
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,560
use committee so i kind of don't want to

863
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,079
create another committee when we have a

864
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,680
committee because then what is the

865
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,160
committee's mandate over there but it's

866
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,680
it's something that they're well aware

867
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,400
of so we'll just look for the best way

868
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,320
uh to do that meeting of the mind so

869
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,480
that we get the technical expertise that

870
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,440
we need

871
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,400
uh the user perspective of this the

872
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,119
layperson who's making decisions here

873
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,119
and then how we can all implement those

874
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:28,720
together while admitting the other

875
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,160
priorities that we're trying to achieve

876
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,040
here

877
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,880
so it's timely

878
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,880
uh that you've addressed us we certainly

879
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,880
appreciate what you're

880
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,800
saying though i agree with councilor

881
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,520
bateman when it gets that specific

882
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,599
that's where it's not that we're not

883
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,119
following you it's just we really don't

884
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:46,560
know quite what you're talking about

885
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,079
because we're not the ones building the

886
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:49,200
houses

887
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,520
but there is also likely from this

888
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,520
there's an educational component that

889
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,839
needs to land with the elected body and

890
00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:57,920
that means us so we heard of ministers

891
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,839
eb announcement they want to get the

892
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:02,800
housing supply on they agree that local

893
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,200
government government can decide where

894
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,240
and how much but not if it happens and

895
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,640
so that's a message right to the elected

896
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,160
body that

897
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,760
while we like to sit there and well what

898
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,760
about this this and this and we've all

899
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,880
done it here talking about parking and

900
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,440
some things part of it is

901
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,839
we will lose that autonomy if we get too

902
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:26,160
nitpicky about the province wanting to

903
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,160
deliver the supply and they're serious

904
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,440
about it so i'll be curious also to see

905
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,400
as they're drafting legislation

906
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,440
and

907
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480
consulting or advising local governments

908
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,079
on what that looks like is what we're

909
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:41,680
going to hear in time as they move

910
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,760
forward in that way there is now a new

911
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,960
minister

912
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,359
responsible for local government

913
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:48,800
nathan cullen i believe has been

914
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,560
assigned so now we get to know a whole

915
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,960
new minister available

916
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,800
but it'll be timely

917
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,200
in the in the coming weeks for sure

918
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,079
so at this point i think um stay tuned

919
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:01,599
and we also know that we need to

920
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,480
continually improve our communication so

921
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,560
as things do change

922
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,800
finding ways to deliver out that message

923
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,400
like look the province has come down

924
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,960
with x we have to do x did you know that

925
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,359
this is happening and finding more ways

926
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:16,960
to engage out with those that are the

927
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,119
end users

928
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,920
but yeah i i would agree that we

929
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,359
we want to find improvements and

930
00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:26,800
everyone here is committed to doing that

931
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,960
so thank you

932
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,480
for your time today

933
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,640
for being here and of course we'd love

934
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,720
to have you stay with us

935
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,640
for the rest of the meeting

936
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,560
sure that would be a great way to enjoy

937
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,839
a monday

938
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:43,829
with your partner

939
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:46,240
okay council so we'll move on into our

940
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,720
next item here which is our pub pardon

941
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:49,599
me

942
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,440
item six report from the chief

943
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,040
administrative officer

944
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,560
thank you worship and i will give just a

945
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,240
quick update on the

946
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,800
building permit application process uh

947
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,359
since my um presentation on february

948
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:03,680
14th oh mr haldane you may want to hear

949
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,839
this mr mckinnis is giving an update on

950
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:08,079
the building permit process so as mr

951
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:09,760
haldane suggested

952
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,800
we don't have a tool to do uh something

953
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,560
similar to a development permit

954
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,280
application before building permit so a

955
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,480
lot of these other communities that are

956
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,839
processing

957
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:24,160
building permit applications in days

958
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,119
actually have a process in front of that

959
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,200
where various things are looked at and

960
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,599
the legal advice that you referred to

961
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,200
suggests that there's a number of things

962
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,839
that need to be outside of any 48-hour

963
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:37,839
process or policy that council may want

964
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:39,200
to consider

965
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,470
geotechnical reports

966
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,079
various things that are in covenants one

967
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,160
of the things that we have found through

968
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,400
our process now there are a lot of

969
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,119
covenants on individual

970
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,599
properties in suk and most of those

971
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,200
covenants say you must do various things

972
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,760
before issuing a building permit

973
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,200
so that's one thing that we're going to

974
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,560
have to

975
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,319
have a serious look at so if the

976
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:05,920
covenant says you must provide a

977
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,200
stormwater management plan or a

978
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,680
geotechnical report before the issue of

979
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,200
the building permit

980
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,280
what mr haldane suggested we do and run

981
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,960
these things in tandem

982
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,599
that's not what the the legal agreements

983
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,680
uh that the landowner and the district

984
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,839
have coveted on title so that's one

985
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:23,680
thing that we're seeing the other piece

986
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,160
is um i would love to have a development

987
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,760
permit process for

988
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,599
in front of each building permit but our

989
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,280
ocp has

990
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,680
not gone that way and there are so many

991
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,839
building permits that come to us we

992
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:37,920
don't have the tools to do that

993
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,760
pre-engineering or

994
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,240
planning work in front of that

995
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:45,520
so as of this morning we have about 70

996
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,359
individual permits in the queue right

997
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:51,200
now um most of those permits have uh or

998
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,160
those

999
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,599
parcels have two permits a building

1000
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:55,760
permit and a plumbing permit and then

1001
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,200
we've got uh

1002
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,200
for instance the the development next

1003
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,960
door two individual buildings with

1004
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,680
various permits so we have about 30

1005
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,480
applicants in the queue right now

1006
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,800
last year our last week when our new

1007
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,720
building official came on

1008
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,880
we actually issued 12 building permits

1009
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,960
and we brought in five new applications

1010
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,200
so we're on the right track

1011
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,200
uh we're going down that road

1012
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,560
um so we're looking at a three-phase

1013
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,520
solution to our current situation uh

1014
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,440
looking at the backlog

1015
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,359
and then bringing the building bylaw

1016
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:32,400
back to council to councillor beto's

1017
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,800
question what what changed uh one of the

1018
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,880
things that changed was the building

1019
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,440
bylaw adoption that happened in february

1020
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,760
of 2021

1021
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,160
if you look at sectional or part 11 of

1022
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,599
the building bylaw

1023
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,839
it is clear what is required for an

1024
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:51,040
application uh in souq and it's uh quite

1025
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,000
onerous so we're looking at those things

1026
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,920
that are discretionary

1027
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,000
and may not have to come with each

1028
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000
permit so

1029
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,119
my

1030
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,280
suggestion to council is

1031
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,440
i think we know what the issues are it's

1032
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,319
the building bylaw it is the covenants

1033
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:09,119
to

1034
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:10,880
bring other people in at this point

1035
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,200
would probably um

1036
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,000
just

1037
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,319
take more time i would suggest that the

1038
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:18,400
bigger process with the grant that we

1039
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,960
have and the ultimate solution to this

1040
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,880
is where we need to engage

1041
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,520
i think that um to engage now we'll just

1042
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,920
add more time to the backlog that we

1043
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,160
want to really focus on getting through

1044
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,640
and then bringing that that bylaw back

1045
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,960
to council in order to knock down some

1046
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,480
of the barriers where there's low risk

1047
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,440
for us

1048
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,480
requiring various things

1049
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,400
so i think i'll leave it there but

1050
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,000
three-phase process the backlog the

1051
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,680
building bylaw and then the longer term

1052
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,520
process review that we're doing with the

1053
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,880
grant that we got

1054
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,400
from

1055
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,750
municipal affairs

1056
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,079
and this follows a very

1057
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,640
thorough review and uh study that was

1058
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,560
done in

1059
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,160
2019 by municipal affairs on the whole

1060
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,200
building

1061
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,839
uh process uh review

1062
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:09,760
and uh one of the things in that review

1063
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,960
is uh

1064
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,440
as mr haldane alluded to uh we're not

1065
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,880
alone in this uh

1066
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,280
it's a systemic problem across the

1067
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,480
province

1068
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,040
but one of the the big the biggest issue

1069
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,079
still was incomplete or poorly developed

1070
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,359
applications um so we need to make sure

1071
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:30,960
that section 11 in our bylaws part 11 in

1072
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,800
our bylaw is

1073
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,040
focused we're not asking for too much

1074
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,720
but we're not taking an undue risk as

1075
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:41,510
well

1076
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,119
thank you

1077
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,599
when we get to public input you could

1078
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,280
okay thank you mr mckinnis

1079
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,160
okay so that brings us to item seven

1080
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,400
public question and comments so this is

1081
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,839
for all items on tonight's agenda um any

1082
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,079
speaker you would just need to give your

1083
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:01,040
name

1084
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,280
and municipality of address we don't

1085
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,119
need your home address just where you

1086
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:06,000
live

1087
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,920
and everyone would have up to two

1088
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:08,880
minutes

1089
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,640
and when you start speaking we will

1090
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,270
start timing

1091
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:23,910
so miss lou i see miss lures

1092
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,200
eleanor's

1093
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,880
soup

1094
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:33,200
um i just wanted to speak to page 15

1095
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,359
uh the adoption of the minutes for the

1096
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:36,800
ocp

1097
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,079
and uh

1098
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:47,040
and also the minutes uh on page 17

1099
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,600
the ocp

1100
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,720
[Music]

1101
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,960
as these committee meetings

1102
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:53,920
were

1103
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,680
not recorded

1104
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,680
they weren't recorded but they were

1105
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,680
recorded written

1106
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,040
but i made comments at the meeting on on

1107
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,240
february

1108
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,319
or january 20th december december 15th

1109
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:09,839
made comments and asked questions and

1110
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:10,800
they weren't

1111
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,720
on the minutes

1112
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,640
uh weren't put forward in the minutes

1113
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,880
and the same on january 20th and the

1114
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,359
same on february 15th and

1115
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:24,559
i i understand that there's a summary

1116
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,359
done but the comments and and queries

1117
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:30,240
that i had were questions that community

1118
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,559
had asked and i asked them

1119
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,640
of the committee

1120
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,160
asked the questions i did meet with

1121
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,870
staff

1122
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,240
to answer some of the questions but

1123
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:41,680
those are questions that were all of the

1124
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,870
committee's concerns

1125
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,640
and i did put a um an email out saying

1126
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,960
that committee and council are under the

1127
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,119
same rules under the municipal act you

1128
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:57,030
have to have accurate minutes

1129
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,599
and it concerns me greatly with all the

1130
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,440
other committees as well

1131
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,640
if the minutes are summarized and things

1132
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,440
are left out then how are we knowing

1133
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,119
what's really going on in the meeting do

1134
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,040
we have to go to every meeting to in

1135
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,720
order to find out exactly what's

1136
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,480
happening

1137
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,839
the questions i asked i thought were

1138
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:17,440
fair there are questions also that our

1139
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,040
committee had talked about

1140
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,680
so my suggestion would be

1141
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,040
that uh

1142
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,280
that there be recorded the minutes be

1143
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,680
recorded the same as council meetings

1144
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,599
because

1145
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:31,200
when you look at history when you look

1146
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,960
back and you see those things weren't

1147
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,559
even brought up

1148
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,000
so

1149
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,760
nobody discussed that but that's not

1150
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:38,880
true

1151
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,720
there was a lot of discussion went on

1152
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,359
and it wasn't recorded and uh

1153
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:45,839
i would really like to see minutes

1154
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:47,359
recorded properly

1155
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:49,040
because under the because we are under

1156
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,440
the municipal municipal act

1157
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,800
i know the district doesn't have a

1158
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,319
policy but we don't have a policy

1159
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:55,920
because we're in a municipal act we have

1160
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,319
to have accurate minutes for committees

1161
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,400
and for council

1162
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,400
beside each other so

1163
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,119
i i would ask that perhaps

1164
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,680
we look at the doing this properly

1165
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,680
it's most unfortunate it's most

1166
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,440
unfortunate when those because when you

1167
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,720
go to review

1168
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,480
uh if you go to look back and you go to

1169
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,400
review you're going to see that

1170
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,839
there's nothing there nobody talked

1171
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:19,359
about that

1172
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:21,280
okay thank you thank you miss lures i i

1173
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,960
will share though that our minutes are

1174
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,559
handled through our council procedural

1175
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:25,760
bylaw

1176
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,079
so that's where the handling of minutes

1177
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,319
for counseling committee meetings are

1178
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:32,640
handled through that procedural bylaw so

1179
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,400
but they still require accurate minutes

1180
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,800
i suppose they summarize the meeting but

1181
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,720
perhaps i'll have our corporate officer

1182
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,960
answer that

1183
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,079
certainly um

1184
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,079
under robert's rules of minutes and this

1185
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,559
is what i have referenced uh previously

1186
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:51,119
is that the minutes are to be a record

1187
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,839
or of the decisions that were made at a

1188
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:57,280
committee not what was said and

1189
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,760
sometimes we do include some additional

1190
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,079
comment for frame of reference around

1191
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,319
the conversation but

1192
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:06,400
the minutes are intended to be a record

1193
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,559
of what was the decisions that were made

1194
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,800
at a at a meeting

1195
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,359
i have another question i see that and

1196
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:16,549
all of them uh the

1197
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,119
the comments made by the public were in

1198
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:20,000
here

1199
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,400
and they're recorded but the comments of

1200
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,880
the committee aren't in here

1201
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,480
just uh something i observed okay thank

1202
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,000
you ms lures for

1203
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:39,670
bringing this to our attention

1204
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,480
yeah

1205
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,400
just turn the button on please uh

1206
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,400
william wiles from suke

1207
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,079
i just wanted to ask two issues that

1208
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,680
were on the agenda tonight one is the

1209
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,920
fire service fees that is being

1210
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,599
addressed there's one item in there

1211
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,200
that's the removal of oil tanks and

1212
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,800
gas tanks i guess

1213
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,800
and uh it's car charging 80 bucks an

1214
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,760
hour

1215
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,319
to i don't know what it is but i think

1216
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:03,520
it should be

1217
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,040
qualified whether

1218
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,000
small household oil tanks are to be

1219
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,160
included in that where they have to go

1220
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,839
observe whether someone's taking we're

1221
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:13,200
trying to encourage people to get off of

1222
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,119
oil so i'm just wondering if that fee

1223
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:16,559
might be weighed for

1224
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:17,839
small things and i don't know if it

1225
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:19,200
applies

1226
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,040
the second issue is in regard to the

1227
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,359
incentives for

1228
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:26,800
underground garages or houses for cars

1229
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,640
i i see the logic of trying to get cars

1230
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,109
off the road

1231
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,680
uh save land but at the same time

1232
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,520
there's a fair there's enormous amount

1233
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,359
of concrete that has to go in for the

1234
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:44,079
development of an underground garage

1235
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,359
uh we all know that uh concrete has

1236
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:48,839
greenhouse gas

1237
00:51:48,839 --> 00:51:51,760
implications and i'd like to demonstrate

1238
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,920
that just a little bit we have a new

1239
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,400
library there a wonderful building just

1240
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,720
an absolutely wonderful building

1241
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,440
but if you look underneath it

1242
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,839
there's over

1243
00:52:02,839 --> 00:52:06,559
800 cubic meters of concrete that went

1244
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,160
into that building

1245
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,559
that's over 160 tons of greenhouse gases

1246
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,599
it's housing six cars

1247
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,760
that are under there

1248
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,000
an enormous waste of

1249
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,119
concrete

1250
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,760
energy greenhouse gases i think we

1251
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,200
should

1252
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,200
consider

1253
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,119
giving incentives to

1254
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,680
build houses for cars

1255
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,280
we're trying to get people away from

1256
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,040
cars we're trying to reduce our

1257
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,760
greenhouse gases and i think uh in

1258
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,160
providing incentives to build houses for

1259
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,400
cars it's just the wrong

1260
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,800
incentive that we should be operating

1261
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,800
the ipcc

1262
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,040
secondary report came out today

1263
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,640
things are not looking good for the

1264
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,960
environment i think we all should

1265
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,920
take a second look at how we

1266
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,520
uh operate

1267
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,480
and

1268
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,880
that's it thank you very much

1269
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,680
thank you mr wallace

1270
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,400
do we have an answer just on the fees

1271
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,559
and the removal of the tanks for mr

1272
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,440
wallace that is an existing fee uh the

1273
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,000
only reason that it's in the agenda this

1274
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,160
evening is because that table is being

1275
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,800
replaced and has a couple of additions

1276
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,280
the fuel tank item is something that has

1277
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,670
been in the bylaw for a period of time

1278
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,200
thank you do we have other other

1279
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:36,390
speakers

1280
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,920
hi susan belford i live in sukh

1281
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,040
i'm also speaking to item 10.4 the

1282
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,680
building bylaw density bonusing

1283
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,040
um

1284
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,960
i understand why

1285
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,200
it seems a good idea hiding cars

1286
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,119
underground does yield a more

1287
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:54,880
aesthetically pleasing

1288
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,040
above ground but i think we have to

1289
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,240
watch out

1290
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:01,119
for unintended consequences with this

1291
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:03,920
kind of incentivizing i don't think it's

1292
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,240
appropriate allowing for further density

1293
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,119
to encourage developers to build

1294
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,440
underground parking

1295
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,520
ultimately in the end all it's going to

1296
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,680
do is increase density

1297
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,680
and increase the number of cars which

1298
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,680
isn't going to meet our

1299
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,800
long-term goals as a as a municipality

1300
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,119
over time i think

1301
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,480
i really would urge council to consider

1302
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,640
doing what other municipalities have

1303
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,520
done

1304
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,720
require developers to build underground

1305
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:37,760
parking

1306
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,440
they'll do it

1307
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,839
decouple the cost of parking from the

1308
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:44,319
cost of a unit so that

1309
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:46,240
i as as

1310
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,559
you know or any individual who wanted to

1311
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,079
buy a unit

1312
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,000
could make the choice to buy the unit

1313
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,640
without parking thus making a commitment

1314
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,280
not to bring a vehicle into the downtown

1315
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,319
core

1316
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:02,559
council and developers can support

1317
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,880
purchasers in this

1318
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,880
by ensuring that each new multi-family

1319
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,680
or or higher density development has a

1320
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,599
good sized

1321
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:19,119
fleet of shareable vehicles

1322
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,640
there are two good car share

1323
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,240
organizations in the local area

1324
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,440
car sharing has shown to reduce the

1325
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,200
number of vehicles on the road over time

1326
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,440
as well as so increase car share and

1327
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:36,880
also

1328
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,319
increase other kinds of incentives for

1329
00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:41,760
for people

1330
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,400
by giving them bus passes and that kind

1331
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,400
of thing thank you mrs bill for the last

1332
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,559
two minutes i just got um

1333
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:50,319
just been called out a bit actually

1334
00:55:50,319 --> 00:55:52,960
procedurally that items coming

1335
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,359
for first and second reading are not

1336
00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:57,119
the public can't comment on them because

1337
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:59,440
there'll be a public hearing to address

1338
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,520
that further on in which case you'll be

1339
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,920
able to speak to it at a public hearing

1340
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,599
and everyone will have that so that's

1341
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,240
unfortunate i guess um

1342
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,240
that does limit conversation a little

1343
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,640
bit but anyway i understand why

1344
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,480
but i appreciated you being here so

1345
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,319
that's where i wanted to give you the

1346
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:19,829
two minutes just the same

1347
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:27,750
okay

1348
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,559
hi

1349
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,400
anna russell wanta fuca

1350
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,160
uh i wanted to talk about the building

1351
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,799
permit agenda item

1352
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:36,400
and um

1353
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,839
just in terms of contacts in other

1354
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:39,680
communities uh having coming from

1355
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,319
vancouver a few couple of years ago

1356
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:45,040
i think my neighbor waited months for a

1357
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,640
permit and it might have been closer to

1358
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,799
a year so just to say that not everybody

1359
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:51,599
is doing the 48-hour thing uh and as a

1360
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,520
management consultant i cannot actually

1361
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,200
think of a management process in which

1362
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,559
you could guarantee that building

1363
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,040
permits will already be always be

1364
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,200
managed within a specific frame time

1365
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,799
time frame because

1366
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:04,720
even if there aren't covenants there are

1367
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,480
always going to be different amounts

1368
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,319
coming in and you could set up a system

1369
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:10,000
in which you would have a good chance of

1370
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,400
meeting a particular performance target

1371
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,480
of amount of time but if a whole bunch

1372
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:15,760
of builders show up with a whole bunch

1373
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,920
of new permits suddenly they will not be

1374
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,680
bringing in enough revenue right away

1375
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,520
for you to hire a new person right away

1376
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,920
to instantly process everything

1377
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,839
in exactly the same amount of time so i

1378
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:28,000
guess i just wanted to counsel against

1379
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,240
unrealistic expectations around what can

1380
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,839
be meant if you're met if you're going

1381
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:34,400
to be having a task force um you might

1382
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,599
be able to

1383
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,119
commit to a certain time frame for

1384
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,359
processing applications for the first x

1385
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:42,079
number of straightforward fully

1386
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:44,880
completed applications but if you get a

1387
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,880
back uh if you get a sudden influx of

1388
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,680
new

1389
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,000
applications uh it would be unrealistic

1390
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,079
in my opinion to

1391
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,000
meet that target so i just don't want to

1392
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,680
um

1393
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,680
have a lot of pressure on staff to meet

1394
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,760
an unrealistic expectation and then a

1395
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,079
lot of pressure on council to be raped

1396
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:03,200
over the coals for not meeting an

1397
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,200
unrealistic expectation and that's my

1398
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,359
perspective tonight thank you

1399
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:08,880
thank you miss russell and i'll share

1400
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,079
that we're not targeting 48 hours by any

1401
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,480
means i know yes because i know

1402
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,720
we've learned that our ability to meet

1403
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:17,839
that

1404
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,000
it's never been successful i think maybe

1405
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,559
it worked for a day and as far as i know

1406
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,079
it it just

1407
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,559
was a great idea but the capacity was

1408
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:27,920
not in place

1409
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,520
and then that led it

1410
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:30,799
led us to

1411
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:32,960
you know failing to meet expectations

1412
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,880
when we were unable to we weren't

1413
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,640
positioned to even meet that back in the

1414
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,440
day

1415
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,520
but i think it's more just in terms of

1416
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,200
what is reasonable and we have good

1417
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,920
averages and and so forth and we do need

1418
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,280
to make some improvements which we're

1419
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,680
doing but i think saying okay even 72

1420
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,960
hours

1421
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,880
uh would be unfair for reasons that

1422
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,950
you've expressed

1423
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,200
okay thank you everyone for

1424
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,040
taking the time i need to brush up on

1425
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,200
our procedural bylaw a little bit more

1426
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,119
um but one point that's been made

1427
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:04,720
through the changes that is made is that

1428
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,720
when items come for first and second

1429
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,079
reading that

1430
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:09,920
uh because there would be a scheduled

1431
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,839
public hearing that's advertised and it

1432
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:13,839
provides fairness to those that are not

1433
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,160
present for this meeting or following it

1434
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,000
as closely to at least receive the

1435
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,079
notification of something that's coming

1436
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:23,200
and plan either to email a submission or

1437
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,599
plan to present in person so then we get

1438
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,599
the benefit of all views

1439
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:29,520
uh at that time but

1440
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,960
since you are here and we've missed

1441
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,520
having in like actual people with us

1442
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,680
it's like well you can't make it can't

1443
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,920
make how i can't stop someone from

1444
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,359
speaking because we're delighted that

1445
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:40,960
you've actually joined with us tonight

1446
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:47,030
so thank you everyone

1447
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,559
that's okay and i should know better

1448
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:50,559
myself but like i said it's just nice to

1449
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:53,119
see people in human form

1450
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:55,119
okay counsel we'll move on into our

1451
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:58,000
agenda then and that takes us to our

1452
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,200
consent agenda so here we are and that

1453
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,400
is that items 8.1 and 8.2 be adopted by

1454
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,480
general consent

1455
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,559
i have a mover by councillor st pierre

1456
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:11,680
and seconded by councillor laginess

1457
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,680
i'm not hearing of

1458
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,480
extraction yeah i wanted to extract one

1459
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,240
that was item f

1460
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,000
so that's to be pulled for consideration

1461
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,119
of the next council meeting okay so let

1462
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,520
me just open that please just second so

1463
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,760
correspondence received counselor

1464
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,640
battles would like item f

1465
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,480
our pardon me counselor what did i say

1466
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,440
counselor

1467
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,480
battles pardon me counselor betos

1468
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,440
has requested that item f lpit

1469
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,400
notification suit mr greg little

1470
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,559
come to the next regular council meeting

1471
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:48,150
for discussion

1472
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,000
counselor bateman requested that

1473
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,480
don't even ask me what i just said okay

1474
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,440
so

1475
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,200
next regular council meeting for

1476
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,520
discussion counselor bateman okay

1477
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,200
anything else to be extracted no so i'll

1478
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,720
call the question then to receive and

1479
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,720
file all those in favor please

1480
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,319
and that's unanimous thank you sorry if

1481
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:13,750
i'm confusing names

1482
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,240
okay all right

1483
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,480
here's a bit of a difference

1484
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,040
let's not let's let's not go there

1485
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,119
tonight

1486
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:28,799
reports yeah yeah yeah okay item 9.1

1487
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:31,599
volunteer recognition event

1488
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:34,160
let's focus so we have our report here

1489
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,839
i'll turn it over to staff just to walk

1490
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:41,349
us through the report

1491
01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:44,000
i guess that's me

1492
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,760
oh thank your worship so um if

1493
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,400
i believe it was lost fall counts yes

1494
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,400
sorry october 2021

1495
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,039
uh council had mentioned a

1496
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:58,319
possibility of considering an event or

1497
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:01,119
um occasion to recognize the work of our

1498
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:03,440
volunteers specifically uh the people

1499
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,039
that are serving on our advisory

1500
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:07,599
committees so staff

1501
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,559
had done a little research

1502
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,960
there was an event in 2013 and then

1503
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,839
again in 2017 both were a little bit

1504
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:17,680
different one with refreshments

1505
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,079
certificates and flowers and then the

1506
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:22,559
most recent one was just an event held

1507
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:24,319
in council chambers

1508
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:26,000
with certificate and refreshments again

1509
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,589
so i guess i'm sorry not too different

1510
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,760
and then we have

1511
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,319
just done some initial investigation as

1512
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:35,440
to

1513
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,400
what type of events could be offered and

1514
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,559
what those costs would be and those are

1515
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:43,839
outlined in the table in the

1516
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:45,280
report

1517
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,480
did you want me to go through that

1518
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,079
okay

1519
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,240
so

1520
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,440
um we do not have the money in our event

1521
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,920
budget is already spoken for through the

1522
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,880
santa claus parade so um

1523
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,559
and given that this hasn't been an

1524
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:03,839
annual event

1525
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:04,880
um

1526
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,240
since 2017 there are no specific funds

1527
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:09,839
for this in the budget so it would

1528
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:11,760
probably need to come from council

1529
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,839
contingency or some other

1530
01:03:14,839 --> 01:03:17,359
fund that's it

1531
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:19,280
thank you miss michelle so the other

1532
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,079
piece to this that remains a bit of a

1533
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,680
mystery to me

1534
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,480
is that every term that i'm aware of

1535
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,359
we've done some community a recognition

1536
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:30,720
awards

1537
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,160
so i recall the first time for myself

1538
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,520
was at the community hall

1539
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,280
i think

1540
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,960
members of the community sort of

1541
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,640
nominated

1542
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,559
different individuals and then there

1543
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:47,520
must have been a a committee that juried

1544
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,680
these applications i'm not sure who that

1545
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,680
committee was i just remember needing to

1546
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,359
be at the hall at a certain date and

1547
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:54,480
time

1548
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,200
uh the piper piped us in the mayor gave

1549
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,039
a presentation and one by one

1550
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:00,559
certificates were handed out to

1551
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,200
individuals and so that's where there's

1552
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,599
been this event like this but it just

1553
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,680
sort of happens

1554
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,559
on its own and then suddenly there's

1555
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:11,440
folks

1556
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,480
nominations are coming in and and

1557
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,480
so forth so it's always like the elected

1558
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,559
body has never been a part

1559
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,240
of the selection we've never been the

1560
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,119
jurors of this event it's more

1561
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:25,039
the wrecking the community recognition

1562
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:26,559
is open now

1563
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:29,200
uh and then we tend we're sort of told

1564
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,960
in the past like not to nominate

1565
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,960
ourselves or family members because it's

1566
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,280
obviously major conflict there but that

1567
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,440
the commun the district was doing this

1568
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,839
as a like community leadership type

1569
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:41,119
awards

1570
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:42,960
so that's sort of what i was thinking

1571
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,640
though i also know we talked about

1572
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,559
wanting to recognize all the volunteers

1573
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:48,400
from our committee so are these the same

1574
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,640
things or different now

1575
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,039
staff has just advised me that the event

1576
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:54,720
that i think you're referring to was

1577
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,640
done in coordination with the souq

1578
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,160
museum

1579
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,880
so i'd have to speak more with staff

1580
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,559
that may have been around at the time

1581
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:04,319
that was prior to

1582
01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:07,119
my starting with the district as well

1583
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:09,039
but um it sounds like we might have some

1584
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:11,200
staff history that we could provide a

1585
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,839
little bit more information on that

1586
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:15,760
okay because that's where it's always

1587
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,400
the case where it's like once a term and

1588
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,359
then um but i wasn't sure

1589
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:23,119
where how it evolved it's just always

1590
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,440
been on my mind that okay what and then

1591
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,200
of course with kovid

1592
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,200
the ability to gather and do anything

1593
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,720
and just like it all went out the window

1594
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,319
completely so now it's the case of

1595
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:36,799
you know what do we do this term or you

1596
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:38,240
know and how do we advance this

1597
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,880
accordingly so okay maybe that piece

1598
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,280
then we could get something different so

1599
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,920
this is for our committee volunteers

1600
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,160
district suit committee volunteers

1601
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,520
because we've had different committee

1602
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:50,880
members

1603
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,039
over the time okay

1604
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:55,599
all right so clarity another information

1605
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:57,520
report to come on that note

1606
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,680
um this then is focusing on our

1607
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,760
committee volunteers

1608
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:02,839
um

1609
01:06:02,839 --> 01:06:04,400
so

1610
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,280
my thought here is that

1611
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,680
weekends are going to be a challenge

1612
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,200
many of our volunteers are volunteering

1613
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,920
uh which they do on weekends or enjoying

1614
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:16,839
time with

1615
01:06:16,839 --> 01:06:20,079
family uh and then

1616
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,240
i was sort of more it's

1617
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,079
just something it's honoring the

1618
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:26,400
volunteers um

1619
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,319
and finding a time that would work i

1620
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:30,400
know it doesn't work for everyone but

1621
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,240
maybe we could do something indoor in

1622
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,319
chambers on a monday before a council

1623
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:35,680
meeting

1624
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,680
typically in soup not a lot of people

1625
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,359
volunteer monday night there's some

1626
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:41,440
obviously that do but wednesday

1627
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:42,960
thursdays

1628
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,440
are very heavy and weekends volunteers

1629
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,440
are now delivering what they're doing

1630
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,119
and of course some meet all the time

1631
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:50,720
counselor battles

1632
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,880
yeah i had a look at this and i wasn't

1633
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,039
quite sure exactly what we were getting

1634
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,520
at here but i i looked at council

1635
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,920
chambers and you know even if you do 10

1636
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,240
volunteers and recognize them and their

1637
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,319
family members it fills up pretty quick

1638
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:05,520
so i'm

1639
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,359
really not in favor of doing it in

1640
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:10,480
chambers here at all

1641
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,319
again i don't know that the number

1642
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:13,760
involved but

1643
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,200
i would think with the committees that

1644
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,440
we've had running in the last

1645
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:18,960
three four years

1646
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,680
you could probably have 50 people and

1647
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,599
family members so

1648
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:26,240
i only thought option d in-person event

1649
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,520
on a sunday

1650
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:28,880
um

1651
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,880
i know it's the most expensive one but

1652
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,400
we've got a beautiful little part next

1653
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,720
door here

1654
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,799
that would be

1655
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:39,599
a better a better fit but again i'm not

1656
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:42,160
clear as to who are we honoring here so

1657
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,760
it will be the ones on committee not

1658
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,680
people in the community that work for

1659
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,359
the food bank or anything like that it

1660
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:49,440
is for the people that work for us over

1661
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,359
those years it would be district

1662
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:54,720
committee volunteers okay like yes

1663
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,440
ocp climate there's been two forms of

1664
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,920
the climate committee yeah uh and then

1665
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:01,680
there's been the land and the land use

1666
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,119
and development committee and i would

1667
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:04,640
expect you to bring a spouse to

1668
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,319
something like that if we invited a

1669
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:07,920
member of the spouse to come with them

1670
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,000
depends on the volunteer yeah well i

1671
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,839
understand that but if

1672
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:12,799
you'd be

1673
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:14,720
allowed to bring a guest i suspect so

1674
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,719
that's why i was sort of leaning towards

1675
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:17,600
uh

1676
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:18,480
d

1677
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:20,880
and a nice day in uh in the summer

1678
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,679
months outside here uh i thought that'd

1679
01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:25,279
be pretty good i know it's the most

1680
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,600
expensive item but uh

1681
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,159
these people put in many many

1682
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,560
hours of work and uh i thought that'd be

1683
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,279
good

1684
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:35,199
i don't think this cost covers the

1685
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:37,040
family this is just to have the

1686
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,679
volunteers present so if we're looking

1687
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:40,880
at adding

1688
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,799
more where they bring their family we

1689
01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:45,279
the cost would go up to

1690
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,359
uh to accommodate whether that's chair

1691
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,040
my other question though is given the

1692
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,880
construction next door i don't know what

1693
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,640
this would be yeah

1694
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,560
all i know is like i think we can do it

1695
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,920
in chambers that was my point

1696
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,799
counselor saint pierre then login us

1697
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:03,920
uh two or three small points uh one is

1698
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,679
that uh i'm well aware that the climate

1699
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:07,359
action committee that was in place

1700
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,839
during the first year of the pandemic

1701
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:11,600
never had a chance to wrap up properly

1702
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,440
but did in fact keep on working through

1703
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:14,799
the pandemic

1704
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:17,600
and uh it was a lot of work

1705
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:18,799
but there was no recognition at that

1706
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:20,080
point in time so i'm hoping that when we

1707
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:21,759
do this we can actually you know

1708
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:22,960
definitely make sure we get back to

1709
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,199
those people and invite them

1710
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:27,120
the other thing was that the subregion

1711
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,600
volunteer center might be a good partner

1712
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,520
and might have a suitable location over

1713
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,679
the family resource center type of place

1714
01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:34,960
they've got some nice garden areas and

1715
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,000
so on i don't know if it would be

1716
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,319
possible but if they had any events that

1717
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:39,839
were similar it might be interesting for

1718
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:41,920
them to partner with the district

1719
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,839
in a volunteer recognition type event

1720
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:45,040
and then the district could actually be

1721
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,199
one of the presenters

1722
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:49,120
recognizing many of the volunteers in

1723
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,880
sioux because we're our committees are

1724
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,719
not the only volunteers

1725
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:55,679
so that was another just a mighty way to

1726
01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:57,199
either defray costs or stretch the

1727
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:00,400
dollars to have an even better event

1728
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:01,760
so you're thinking

1729
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,000
did i hear sioux family resource center

1730
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,239
or with the volunteer region volunteer

1731
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:08,800
center okay i think it's is uh

1732
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,480
that's where they're located

1733
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:14,149
right okay

1734
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:19,840
yeah councillogness

1735
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,880
i would be in favor of doing um

1736
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,159
an outdoor event i'm not sure where the

1737
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:29,840
covered outdoor area

1738
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,040
um i don't think we have any

1739
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,520
oh a rented like rent a tent or

1740
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:36,880
something

1741
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,960
i mean if we do in the summertime we can

1742
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,199
save the cost of renting the tent and

1743
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:43,440
just uh pick a location

1744
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:51,030
we should be able to find some place

1745
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,560
you're assuming it's not going to rain

1746
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,159
i'm not making any bets on weather

1747
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:56,560
anymore councillor bateman well the

1748
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,000
committees wind up on june 30th right so

1749
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,520
therefore we'd be looking at a summer

1750
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,080
event and i i agree it could be an

1751
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,719
outdoor event it would make total sense

1752
01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:08,320
i don't know why it has to cost that

1753
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,080
much can't can't we just fire up some

1754
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,719
barbecues and um

1755
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:15,040
you know bringing a few lines to run the

1756
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,640
uh

1757
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,640
i know that there must be a

1758
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,360
simpler way to gather in a kind of

1759
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,560
picnic

1760
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:23,920
scenario

1761
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,880
outdoors

1762
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,320
and also yeah so we in just in terms of

1763
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,360
the

1764
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,280
this mixed messaging here we got the

1765
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,360
committee volunteers and then community

1766
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,440
volunteers and i did do some research

1767
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:38,239
and

1768
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:42,000
since 2001 there was 12 straight years

1769
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,159
of annual volunteer recognition

1770
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:45,360
ceremonies

1771
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,800
and 350 residents have been acknowledged

1772
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,520
and then that lapsed and then in 2017

1773
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,440
you honored marlene barry said jordan

1774
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:56,880
heather phillips neil flynn in chambers

1775
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,679
so um be great to you know as the

1776
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:01,280
volunteer capital canada would be great

1777
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:02,640
to have that

1778
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,159
revived

1779
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:06,320
yeah that's where i recall it being the

1780
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,800
last time it was in chambers

1781
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,520
uh and there was it was small it was

1782
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,040
just the four

1783
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,600
uh members of council staff and i think

1784
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,760
maybe a few family members it was it was

1785
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,679
much smaller than the previous events

1786
01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:21,600
but that's where i'm kind of mixing

1787
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,600
events together here it was just the

1788
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:24,800
case of

1789
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,480
i remember it just being once a term

1790
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:28,400
that obviously happened more frequently

1791
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,640
in the past

1792
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,360
and then sometimes i get queries from it

1793
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,760
where someone wants to nominate somebody

1794
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,280
and they're waiting for the intake so

1795
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,440
that's what kind of like oh yeah i have

1796
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,679
to ask like where is that event and who

1797
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:44,080
was the keeper of that process

1798
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,199
so

1799
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:47,120
i think right now we need a bit more

1800
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:48,960
information here before we make a

1801
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,880
decision so

1802
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,679
i'm wondering here

1803
01:12:53,679 --> 01:12:55,679
i you know i'm hearing a desire to have

1804
01:12:55,679 --> 01:12:57,440
something outside

1805
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:00,239
uh i hear a bit more i mean myself i'm

1806
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:02,159
looking for the community recognition

1807
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:03,360
piece

1808
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,600
and then does it all go together because

1809
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,000
i think where the staff report was was

1810
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,159
to invite just the committee members

1811
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,640
that served members of council and staff

1812
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,480
in which case chambers would have been

1813
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:16,719
adequate as a location

1814
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:19,280
but when we start to add in more then

1815
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,000
obviously that changes

1816
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,880
the venue obviously becomes too small

1817
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,040
and then locating outside i think maybe

1818
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,800
part of it being covered is the weather

1819
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,480
is unpredictable

1820
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:33,760
and that um the case of having tables

1821
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,080
with some food items that aren't in the

1822
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,480
sun leading to other

1823
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:40,719
potential issues with exposed food in

1824
01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:43,120
the sun so that

1825
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,199
and to keep it sort of as a simple way

1826
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,440
for folks to meet and greet and see each

1827
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,280
other in person because as counselor st

1828
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,120
pierre said some haven't even really met

1829
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,480
counselor saint pierre then back to

1830
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:55,520
meadows

1831
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:56,800
i think one of the things that i would

1832
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,080
really like here is for more of the

1833
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,000
community be actually able to attend and

1834
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,679
we know that a local government event

1835
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:02,800
like this is not also going to bring in

1836
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,159
a lot of the public so it's probably

1837
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:05,520
going to be as has been previously

1838
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,280
stated a very small number family and so

1839
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:08,480
on and so forth

1840
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:10,480
uh i like the idea of john phillips i

1841
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:11,920
like the idea of maybe doing it on a

1842
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,280
saturday when the farmer's market is

1843
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:14,960
already going something like that is

1844
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,040
happening

1845
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,880
uh well we've got parking up here and

1846
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,440
it's not that far to walk

1847
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:23,120
sorry i'm just chiming in because i've

1848
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,679
come to the market and left because i'm

1849
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:28,000
parking on the road because it is full

1850
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,239
here when the market is on so from

1851
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:33,040
accessibility it doesn't work for folks

1852
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,360
unless we screen off half the parking

1853
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,040
which works so i don't want to let's not

1854
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:38,800
tangle everything

1855
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,640
it's just too bad because logistically i

1856
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,080
wish that more of the community could

1857
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:42,880
actually

1858
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,080
see what we're doing and see what these

1859
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,679
volunteers are doing

1860
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:46,600
yeah

1861
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:47,840
[Music]

1862
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,679
councillor battles

1863
01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:52,560
one uh possible place is ed mcgregor

1864
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,400
park they have the band shell

1865
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,159
which which is covered you could put the

1866
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:57,840
food under there

1867
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,120
and uh

1868
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,120
the other part of the equation which i'm

1869
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,199
not familiar with yet is i still would

1870
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:05,440
like an outdoor venue

1871
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,600
but again it's the numbers uh i mean

1872
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:08,320
it's

1873
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,000
i'm hearing two things now it's going to

1874
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,320
be the ones that have worked for council

1875
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,080
on these different committees now i

1876
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,920
don't know what those numbers are and

1877
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,600
now we're talking about expanding it a

1878
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,520
bit more into maybe some recognitions

1879
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,480
from the community uh either way i i

1880
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,360
think that uh the band show would work

1881
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,520
and there is that possibility of asking

1882
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,400
a service club to to cater it but i mean

1883
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,640
i can't speak for them but i do know

1884
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,880
that stuff that's been done in the past

1885
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,320
with the three

1886
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,719
clubs that i'm familiar with uh you know

1887
01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:40,800
the they all go together and

1888
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,080
do stuff so

1889
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,880
there is some possibilities but uh

1890
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,199
um i need some more information here how

1891
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:48,719
many people are we talking about because

1892
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:51,040
i'm just thinking the committee's alone

1893
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:56,310
35 35-40 people

1894
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:57,199
okay

1895
01:15:57,199 --> 01:15:59,440
all right so

1896
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:01,679
it's about a hundred here and then also

1897
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:04,400
it's the case of um

1898
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,600
what we have available in contingency

1899
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,280
and we're going to have another report

1900
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,040
on what travel expenses are going to

1901
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,880
look like and what we versus what we

1902
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,960
budgeted which is another impact on

1903
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,840
contingency so i just wanted to

1904
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,480
flag that so in terms of here though

1905
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,400
it's the case of

1906
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,560
there's two things is let's just

1907
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,159
separate them then

1908
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:28,800
and focus on recognizing our committee

1909
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,040
volunteer did i miss you okay this is

1910
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,199
where someone who sees you needs to say

1911
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:34,480
point of order

1912
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,239
and i'll say what is it counselor saint

1913
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,159
beer oh counselor elijahness had his

1914
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:41,760
hand up okay sorry please speak

1915
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,120
i was

1916
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,480
i'm used to it

1917
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:47,840
um i was just going to suggest maybe um

1918
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,560
we could do something at the celebrate

1919
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:51,760
souq event

1920
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,239
and what celebrates well okay

1921
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:56,960
um canada day then if that's what we're

1922
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,040
doing we could just invite the

1923
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,280
volunteers to come show up at a certain

1924
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,280
time and

1925
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,440
give them a

1926
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:07,199
district of soup water bottle or

1927
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:11,280
something

1928
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:12,960
because that would be a venue there

1929
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,640
would be people there there'd be an

1930
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,760
audience and and

1931
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,920
that might work

1932
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,080
it might having been on that stage many

1933
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:23,280
times

1934
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,120
there's a big crowd that grows as you

1935
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,719
approach the end of speeches and the

1936
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:28,960
cunning of the cake mirrors

1937
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,520
so

1938
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:32,800
you know because there's other things

1939
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:33,920
happening in the background i'm just

1940
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:35,920
saying what i've seen from

1941
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:43,110
standing there

1942
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,199
oh i might not be able to cut a cake

1943
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,760
yeah the big covered cake okay so okay

1944
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,280
we'll just leave

1945
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,360
the coke okay so let's

1946
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,960
let's just focus here because

1947
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,679
that's just taking

1948
01:17:57,679 --> 01:17:59,520
you know the whole point of we want to

1949
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,199
recognize our volunteers that set on our

1950
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:02,560
committees

1951
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:03,360
so

1952
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,280
that's what the intent of this report is

1953
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,600
to do and which option are we exploring

1954
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,640
here so i think we need a bit more

1955
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,440
on the numbers the venue at mcgregor

1956
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:16,640
park our park makes a lot of sense um i

1957
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,360
think we can get a pa system there the

1958
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:20,719
other pieces are there there's a

1959
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:23,280
washroom there and so forth

1960
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,560
uh and and then to find a date there so

1961
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,800
probably a sunday afternoon seems to be

1962
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,280
what would work because it would be

1963
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:32,800
let's not

1964
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,120
collide with the fling though

1965
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,040
and then the second piece would be

1966
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,120
information on

1967
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,679
the community recognition event

1968
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,440
and

1969
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,679
how that is done and if we're able to do

1970
01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:48,880
it the timing for that is very

1971
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,280
slim which is unfortunate

1972
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,320
can i just clarify so if it's i think

1973
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,239
what counselor bateman was saying along

1974
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:57,600
the lines where there was only four

1975
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,440
people recognized perhaps that was

1976
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:00,560
something

1977
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,159
that we could have a third party

1978
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:04,480
evaluate but it is more people putting

1979
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:06,800
in submissions for kind of lifetime

1980
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,199
achievement sort of thing with respect

1981
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:11,600
to volunteer is that like

1982
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,280
the direction that we're thinking that

1983
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,600
needs to go

1984
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,760
yeah and that's where we i we would mean

1985
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,800
more intel behind that process

1986
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,480
on what it was i remember just two

1987
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,560
nominators maybe

1988
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,040
nominating somebody for for an award but

1989
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,080
i could be

1990
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,840
confusing that with other awards

1991
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,159
programs that i've been through over the

1992
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:38,320
last few years of which i've sat through

1993
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,000
four of them so this is where the

1994
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,480
processes just need to be clear but in

1995
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:43,920
that case

1996
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,000
from what i would call it was somebody

1997
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,120
honoring

1998
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,040
so and so for the many contributions

1999
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,719
they do towards our community and then

2000
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:52,480
there were the four volunteers and i

2001
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:54,400
think even the bigger one at the

2002
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,400
community hall there was maybe a dozen

2003
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,480
people there was a lot of family

2004
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:00,080
presence so the community hall was

2005
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,159
certainly full that day but there was

2006
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:03,679
about a dozen

2007
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:06,239
honorees

2008
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:07,440
that day

2009
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:10,159
and so they were different it wasn't a

2010
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:12,719
think the committee volunteer it was

2011
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:17,669
specific to community recognition awards

2012
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:19,360
but that's where i was never certain who

2013
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,840
the selection panel was and when i asked

2014
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,800
i was told well that's

2015
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,719
nobody knows who the selection committee

2016
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:28,400
was so that's why i don't know it was

2017
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:33,750
meant to be discreet

2018
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,320
okay so i think maybe what we'll do then

2019
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,040
is just can we refer this report back to

2020
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:40,400
staff

2021
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,159
okay i'll just get some more miss

2022
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:44,080
michelle is typing

2023
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:51,830
just watch her type at the same time

2024
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,159
yes counselor sink here would this be

2025
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:55,920
first have to look at the mcgregor

2026
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,600
option is that the idea

2027
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:07,270
i'm just waiting to see what she

2028
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:11,030
but i think ed mcgregor would be

2029
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,560
a nice location doable

2030
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,159
that's kind of the intent of the park

2031
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:18,480
it's a beautiful setting and undercover

2032
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:20,400
space

2033
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,120
whereas this one will be undergoing

2034
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,719
and parking

2035
01:21:24,719 --> 01:21:26,159
well it'll be

2036
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:28,320
under construction like as it is now i

2037
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:45,830
don't think it'll be done by that

2038
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:59,350
almost

2039
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:07,360
okay so the council direct staff to

2040
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,120
bring forward a report with specifics

2041
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,360
regarding a community volunteer event at

2042
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,000
mcgregor park in july and that council

2043
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,840
direct staff to bring ford a report with

2044
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,360
additional information regarding a

2045
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,360
community volunteer recognition program

2046
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,120
including the nomination and selection

2047
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,560
process

2048
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,239
yeah so moved by councillor bateman

2049
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:29,280
seconded by councillor st pierre

2050
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:30,800
motion any

2051
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,040
nope no nothing to motivate on

2052
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,830
okay councillor saint pierre

2053
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,159
okay anything from anyone else

2054
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:42,080
so it's nothing to do with canada day or

2055
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,159
celebrate soup we'll just get specifics

2056
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:45,520
to do this

2057
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,520
okay i'll call the question then all in

2058
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,280
favor please

2059
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,760
anyone opposed it's unanimous thank you

2060
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,910
everyone good discussion

2061
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,199
okay

2062
01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:59,440
bylaws section

2063
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:03,600
uh we are on to 10.1

2064
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,520
and so this one here

2065
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,520
we're in adoption here is that council

2066
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,280
adopt the bylaws cited a zoning

2067
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:14,159
amendment bylaw number 818 600-88 2021

2068
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:16,239
it's moved by councillor

2069
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,840
st pierre and seconded by councillor

2070
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,400
bateman

2071
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,560
all those in favor

2072
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,120
and that's unanimous thank you

2073
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,679
the next part is 10.2 and that is that

2074
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:29,840
council adopt the bylaws cited as suit

2075
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,600
course sewer

2076
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,440
suit course sewer specified area

2077
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:35,719
amendment bylaw number 838

2078
01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:38,400
147-43 2022

2079
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,000
and that's moved by councillor st pierre

2080
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,600
and seconded by councillor elijah ness

2081
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,520
all of us in favor

2082
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,719
and that's unanimous thank you

2083
01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:51,679
and 10.3

2084
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:53,679
that is that council adopt the bylaws

2085
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:55,600
cited as fees and charges amendment

2086
01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:00,790
bylaw number 839-752-05-2022

2087
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,719
moved by councillor saint pierre and

2088
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:05,840
seconded by councillor lajness

2089
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,800
all those in favor

2090
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,520
spanish thank you

2091
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,120
pardon

2092
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,800
no

2093
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,480
it's already gone through readings in a

2094
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:19,280
public hearing

2095
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,000
okay fine what would you like to make

2096
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,600
uh i tend to agree with the uh one

2097
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,120
comment that this is actually a very

2098
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,360
high cost for example for seniors that i

2099
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,280
tend to have these older systems the oil

2100
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,880
tanks specifically

2101
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,880
if we can actually investigate means by

2102
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:33,840
which

2103
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,000
that could be

2104
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,920
changed in some way or helped in any way

2105
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,120
that'd be wonderful whether there's

2106
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,880
grants available elsewhere

2107
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,120
because 80 an hour to move a tank

2108
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,320
when it's already costing you a fortune

2109
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,159
to burn that oil is hard

2110
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:49,520
okay so what i will recommend is because

2111
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,920
that item was not what motivated the

2112
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,920
changes to the fees and bylaw like it

2113
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,600
was just the case where the table was

2114
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,360
included i suggest a notice of motion

2115
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,239
yes well we have it's adopted but just

2116
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,639
to your point there um because that

2117
01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:06,880
would require a bit more than sort of

2118
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,960
what we have there is i would recommend

2119
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,800
drafting a notice of motion and then

2120
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,480
that would yeah but right now it's not

2121
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:16,880
why this was put in front of us so a

2122
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,639
notice of motion that comes forward

2123
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:20,480
would enable that more fulsome

2124
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:22,239
conversation to have

2125
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:25,360
okay that's what i would suggest there

2126
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,840
okay 10.4

2127
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,719
excuse me um we just need to wrap that

2128
01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:32,239
up he called the question but we didn't

2129
01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:33,840
finalize the vote

2130
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,830
well that was unanimous thank you

2131
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,760
okay 10.4

2132
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:47,520
density bonusing over to staff please

2133
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,760
thank you excuse me thank you

2134
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,239
so this is coming forward you recall

2135
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:53,679
at the last council meeting staff

2136
01:25:53,679 --> 01:25:56,480
brought forward a uh a list of uh text

2137
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:58,400
amendments uh proposed for the zoning

2138
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,040
bylaw this was additional items that we

2139
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,280
had flagged internally and also

2140
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:04,719
presented to

2141
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:06,320
the land use and development committee

2142
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,840
on february 16th it was supported by

2143
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,360
that committee

2144
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,080
and what it's proposing is to

2145
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,880
amend the density provisions section of

2146
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,960
the zoning bylaw to include

2147
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,760
a 10 units per hectare incentive

2148
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,159
currently the way the bylaws

2149
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:27,760
read it allows for if 80 or more of the

2150
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,840
concealed parking is provided on the

2151
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,000
site the applicant could potentially

2152
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,719
benefit from having a 10 percent

2153
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:37,040
maximum site increase

2154
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:40,159
for coverage or an additional story

2155
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:41,520
what we found is

2156
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,920
that's not being utilized and the

2157
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,159
general feedback is there's no incentive

2158
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:48,080
to do so there's more cost of materials

2159
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,639
if you're going to build a larger site

2160
01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:53,280
whether it's vertically or across the

2161
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,360
property then there needs to be another

2162
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:56,560
incentive

2163
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,719
through our research it was noted back

2164
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:01,920
in the 2006 zoning bylaw that a 10 units

2165
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,239
per hectare incentive was included as

2166
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:05,280
part of this

2167
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:08,320
staff were not sure why during the 2011

2168
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,960
uh amendment to this that that portion

2169
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,719
was removed and then subsequently

2170
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:14,719
followed through again with our current

2171
01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:17,520
uh 2013 zoning bylaw

2172
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,159
so based on that uh staff is proposing

2173
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:22,800
that that incentive be reintroduced

2174
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,440
also note that the decrease of the 10

2175
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:28,080
lot coverage down to 5 is a result that

2176
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,320
our zones also increase their maximum

2177
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,120
lot coverage so to coincide with a

2178
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,280
larger lot coverage per zone it would

2179
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,040
only make more sense to

2180
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,440
reduce that lot coverage incentive down

2181
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:41,600
to five percent so previously it may

2182
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,760
have been a maximum lot coverage in that

2183
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,480
zone 50 percent

2184
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:48,639
now we have lot coverages of a maximum

2185
01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:51,360
of 70 or 80 percent so just by virtue of

2186
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,760
that zone alone we've already allowed a

2187
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,159
much larger maximum site coverage for

2188
01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:57,040
that

2189
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,679
so those are the specific uh reasons why

2190
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:01,920
we want to reintroduce this we feel it

2191
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:03,840
would provide some incentive to the

2192
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,159
development community to include

2193
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:07,840
concealed parking if they saw another

2194
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,239
benefit like additional units

2195
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:12,159
for their development as well we thought

2196
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:13,840
this was timely because there is also a

2197
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,159
cost savings that we can advertise this

2198
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:17,440
along with the

2199
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:18,239
other

2200
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:20,159
zoning obama bylaw amendment that i had

2201
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:21,600
mentioned from

2202
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,360
the last council meeting and then host

2203
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:24,960
the public hearing on the same night as

2204
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:26,239
well

2205
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:28,400
so that concludes my summary on this

2206
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:29,920
item

2207
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,800
thank you mr pelo can you just restate

2208
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:39,910
the part um

2209
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,800
i almost got it where you were saying

2210
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,120
that

2211
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:49,679
we've allowed greater lot coverage

2212
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:52,000
but didn't do something else

2213
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,239
we didn't provide another incentive so

2214
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:56,000
what we're saying is you can provide the

2215
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,520
80

2216
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,040
or more of your parking being

2217
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,280
underground concealed in some format but

2218
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,440
there's a cost associated with that so

2219
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:05,360
what additional benefit is a developer

2220
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,760
getting by adding those additional

2221
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:11,120
construction costs to building that

2222
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,040
underground parking well if they can get

2223
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,880
more units per hectare there's you know

2224
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,719
potentially additional sales

2225
01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:18,560
that would be associated with an

2226
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,320
increased density in their development

2227
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:21,920
so that's that's what the incentive is

2228
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,880
they have more units to rent or sell to

2229
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,400
uh to the future

2230
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,639
homeowner in that rare but we had

2231
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:30,960
something in place in the old zoning

2232
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,480
bylaw that

2233
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:35,280
was an incentive this this very

2234
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:36,560
amendment that we're bringing we're

2235
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,400
essentially reintroducing what existed

2236
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:42,390
in the 2006 zoning bylaw

2237
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,239
and for whatever reason we're unclear as

2238
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:48,000
to why in the 2011 and 2013 zoning bile

2239
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,560
auditions that was removed we can't seem

2240
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,480
to find record as to why that was done

2241
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,719
but the lot coverage remained the same

2242
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:57,760
so the lot coverage increased

2243
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,560
but then the incentive disappeared

2244
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,719
that's correct so that's also

2245
01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:04,880
a strange reasoning why the why the

2246
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,560
incentive was removed but also the lot

2247
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,800
coverage was also increased i'm not sure

2248
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,320
what the what the logic was considered

2249
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:11,440
at that time

2250
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:13,920
okay there's there's one p it just

2251
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,000
something's missing there for me but i

2252
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,120
don't maybe it's that

2253
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,920
possib possibly uh but yeah we're we're

2254
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,800
unable to to determine why this

2255
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,400
incentive which is clearly something

2256
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,639
that we see as a benefit to to an

2257
01:30:28,639 --> 01:30:30,239
applicant to provide

2258
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:33,120
um in addition to concealing that

2259
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,520
parking

2260
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,600
counselor st pierre

2261
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,520
uh we had a few speakers from the public

2262
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,080
that uh spoke specifically to this item

2263
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,480
and at the time i didn't have a resp i

2264
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:46,000
didn't want to respond

2265
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,760
at that time in any sort of an

2266
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,560
adversarial way but i do want to uh to

2267
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,280
explain why i believe that density is

2268
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,120
actually important in terms of

2269
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:56,639
addressing our emissions

2270
01:30:56,639 --> 01:30:58,000
because one of our goals is to actually

2271
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,440
increase density but it's not always

2272
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:00,800
clear to the public

2273
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,480
why density would actually decrease our

2274
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:03,600
emissions

2275
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,000
and the reasons are that by having

2276
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,280
density we're actually discouraging

2277
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:08,960
urban sprawl which means they're

2278
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,440
actually affecting less of the habitat

2279
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:13,199
that's available elsewhere so we have

2280
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:14,719
more room for people

2281
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:16,080
but we're not actually having urban

2282
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:17,920
sprawl we're making better use of our

2283
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:19,520
infrastructure means we don't need to

2284
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,280
build additional wastewater pre-implants

2285
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,040
rip up the roads to put in bigger pipes

2286
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,800
or pour more concrete for all the rest

2287
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,080
of that stuff and have more concrete to

2288
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,199
sidewalks

2289
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:28,800
so simply by putting more people to a

2290
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,880
smaller area we're using less concrete

2291
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,639
in all sorts of other ways

2292
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:34,560
so it i mean it's obviously you need to

2293
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:35,760
account for the concrete you need to

2294
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:37,520
account for emissions but you also need

2295
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,040
to account for those things

2296
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,639
density in the public also allows us to

2297
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:43,199
have a thriving local economy where you

2298
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:44,880
can actually have more retail more

2299
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,040
businesses more places to walk to from

2300
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,719
places where we have more people that

2301
01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:50,560
actually allows us to reach our goals of

2302
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,639
having a pedestrian friendly community

2303
01:31:52,639 --> 01:31:54,320
with jobs that are locally available

2304
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:55,760
that allow people not to commute not

2305
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,520
emit those ghgs

2306
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,679
so in answer to why do we want density

2307
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:01,199
and why is it a good thing

2308
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:02,800
for all those reasons and many more that

2309
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,719
i won't get into right now

2310
01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:06,960
but density this is not just just

2311
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:08,159
something that we're doing to help

2312
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:09,280
developers

2313
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:10,960
we actually want developers to create

2314
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,040
more density to help us in reaching our

2315
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,320
climate goals

2316
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:15,679
so i just wanted to you know kind of

2317
01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:17,520
push that out there because obviously

2318
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,040
that message has not been made clear to

2319
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:20,159
the public

2320
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:21,679
thus far and it's it's kind of

2321
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:23,840
unfortunate thank you

2322
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,440
thank you councillor st pierre

2323
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:28,320
councillor elijah knows

2324
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,440
yeah so in your report your reference

2325
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,560
that we might want to go to a floor area

2326
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,600
ratio calculation as well and i like

2327
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,679
that calculation because it's a simple

2328
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:41,840
one

2329
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:42,800
and

2330
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:43,760
in the

2331
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,920
the draft ocp

2332
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,199
we have floor area ratios referenced in

2333
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:51,760
there so are we not already

2334
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,280
moving in that direction

2335
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,920
excellent question yes that is

2336
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:59,840
one proposed route but until the

2337
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:01,600
official community plan has been

2338
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,080
adopted uh and then at that time staff

2339
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,360
would bring forward the necessary

2340
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,280
amendments to the zoning bylaw to also

2341
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,120
bring it into compliance i think we'd

2342
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:10,960
want to have a little bit more

2343
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,840
consultation on the whole zoning bylaw

2344
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,760
package as we see

2345
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,120
it coming into compliance with our

2346
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:18,560
official community plan but yes that

2347
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:19,600
that is

2348
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,760
the route that we are proposing uh right

2349
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,560
now in the current uh

2350
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,400
official community plan that uh the

2351
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:30,070
council will see for first reading

2352
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:33,040
so so what we're looking at now is an

2353
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,840
interim

2354
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,719
solution

2355
01:33:36,719 --> 01:33:39,280
what we're looking at is a opportunity

2356
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,679
to introduce a

2357
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:43,199
incentive

2358
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:44,880
that we feel the development community

2359
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,280
could take advantage of we can further

2360
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,679
elaborate on that through

2361
01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:52,320
floor area ratio once we begin to

2362
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,400
establish that as our preferred method

2363
01:33:54,400 --> 01:34:06,629
for calculating density

2364
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:08,320
i'm not sure there's a question here so

2365
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,320
i should not

2366
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,239
no statements at this point no there's

2367
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:16,550
no motion only questions okay

2368
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:17,440
okay

2369
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:22,790
question

2370
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:24,800
okay so that would be that council give

2371
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,480
first and second reading to zoning

2372
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:30,960
amendment bylaw number 840 600-90 2022

2373
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:32,880
and that council direct staff to

2374
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:34,639
schedule a public hearing for zoning

2375
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:37,840
amendment bylaw number 840 600-90 2022

2376
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,679
in accordance with section 466 of the

2377
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:41,760
local government act moved by councillor

2378
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,560
st pierre seconded by councillor bay

2379
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,390
comment

2380
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,080
not at this time good discussion at the

2381
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:51,679
committee level thank you

2382
01:34:51,679 --> 01:34:53,760
thank you councillor bateman

2383
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,360
and i agree i should likely save this

2384
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,199
for the public hearing but just the

2385
01:34:57,199 --> 01:34:59,600
comment would be um you know our town

2386
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:03,679
center is already quite heavily uh

2387
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:06,239
um a lot of parking lot space in the

2388
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:08,719
town center so our our future definitely

2389
01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:11,360
we need to have underground parking and

2390
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,360
um

2391
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,360
i think some of the creative solutions

2392
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:16,320
that

2393
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,800
ms belford raised tonight are good i

2394
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:20,639
mean car shares

2395
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:23,600
i think these are cited in the ocp

2396
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:24,800
um

2397
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,960
the transportation demand management the

2398
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:30,400
bus passes and this new thought i hadn't

2399
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,320
thought of this decoupling the cost of a

2400
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:33,360
unit

2401
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,119
minus parking but that would be

2402
01:35:35,119 --> 01:35:36,639
something for the

2403
01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:38,719
developer to consider as a way to

2404
01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:40,960
attract

2405
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:42,400
anyway

2406
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,480
i look forward to the public hearing

2407
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:46,159
thank you councillor bateman councillor

2408
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:48,239
meadows yeah i just i wasn't going to

2409
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:50,880
comment but i will now um

2410
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,199
i i did appreciate mrs belford's

2411
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:56,000
comments and they're all wonderful ideas

2412
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:57,520
but i guess the

2413
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:00,480
reality of the next 10 15 years we're

2414
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:02,000
going to still have a tremendous amount

2415
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:03,520
of cars in suit

2416
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,199
hopefully electric

2417
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:08,080
and we go that way so i think in the

2418
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,679
next while uh

2419
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:11,679
you know putting them underground i'd be

2420
01:36:11,679 --> 01:36:14,000
very happy to see that so

2421
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,520
unfortunately we're still going to need

2422
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,840
cars and hopefully we can park them

2423
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,719
underground thank you

2424
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:22,840
and and just to that point

2425
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,119
um you know having done property

2426
01:36:25,119 --> 01:36:27,360
management and and or been a renter in

2427
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,840
my time i didn't always get a parking

2428
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:30,719
spot

2429
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:33,760
so i've rented from owners

2430
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,159
who didn't have parking as an option

2431
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:38,800
available uh didn't come with the suite

2432
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,199
so at the time it wasn't an issue until

2433
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:43,040
i got a car and then i had to find a

2434
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:44,560
place to park it

2435
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,199
and then other times when someone

2436
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:49,760
usually when a building is built the

2437
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,159
condo owners would own would get to

2438
01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:54,480
decide what their parking is maybe

2439
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:56,800
there's one or two and they pay more for

2440
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,600
that particular one in their unit

2441
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,280
uh then if they go to rent it they can

2442
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,760
market it accordingly but in some cases

2443
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,320
it's it's up to the ownership group on

2444
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,400
who chooses to buy as to whether or not

2445
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:09,440
parking

2446
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:11,360
and they pay for it like you pay for it

2447
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:12,719
so it is

2448
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:17,270
part of buying that unit

2449
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:18,480
and then

2450
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:20,800
others don't because they don't need one

2451
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,080
so that's kind of their call um

2452
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,639
but in some cases depending on the use

2453
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:28,560
on the main floor

2454
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,320
uh there could always be a requirement

2455
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,960
to have parking uh to meet the use and

2456
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:37,109
needs of humans

2457
01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:39,040
anyway i look forward to the public

2458
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,280
hearing too on this matter

2459
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,040
okay so i'll call the question all those

2460
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,639
in favor please

2461
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:47,440
and that's unanimous thank you i recall

2462
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:48,960
now that i didn't do the scheduled

2463
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:53,030
health break at 8 20.

2464
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:57,750
so

2465
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,199
okay we're okay

2466
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:01,600
everyone to carry on okay i'm not seeing

2467
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,600
in

2468
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,800
i'm not seeing any new business uh no no

2469
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:12,550
correspondence so council verbal

2470
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:13,840
i don't know

2471
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,880
it depends on what you're doing

2472
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,719
uh we had correspondence from uh i

2473
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:19,679
didn't see it in the correspondence

2474
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:22,080
package from lynn west uh with regards

2475
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:23,679
to firework damage and i realized that i

2476
01:38:23,679 --> 01:38:25,119
didn't understand

2477
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:27,199
um what our own regulations with regards

2478
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:29,679
to fireworks were so is that course is

2479
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:31,840
that correspondence on tonight's no it

2480
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,040
wasn't okay so um

2481
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:36,480
i was hoping that we might be able to

2482
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:38,080
get a report or just information from

2483
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,320
staff when this does come up as to what

2484
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,480
our actual regulations are with regards

2485
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:43,760
to fireworks

2486
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,280
what we have that controls them do we

2487
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:46,960
have any controls in place that type of

2488
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:47,840
thing

2489
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,320
okay so we'll follow up for that i'm

2490
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,239
seeing a nod um

2491
01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:55,360
and uh feel free to call chief writer in

2492
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:57,040
the meantime but the correspondence is

2493
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,639
making its way to us

2494
01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:00,639
it's likely the cut off date that was it

2495
01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:02,239
that's all okay

2496
01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:04,159
well next time chief when it's on the

2497
01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:05,600
agenda thank you

2498
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,480
okay okay turn off your microphone okay

2499
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:12,709
council reports

2500
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:14,480
i'm just reminding folks to turn off

2501
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:15,760
their microphone go ahead counts are

2502
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,679
better it's not really a committee but

2503
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:19,760
we did mention uh very briefly about

2504
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,520
canada day i can give you a bit of an

2505
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,719
update if you wish uh one is

2506
01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:26,639
talking to a very

2507
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:29,600
good staff member here uh this she this

2508
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,440
person i won't mention her name

2509
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,440
suggested instead of cake that we do

2510
01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:35,840
cupcakes because of cobit and i thought

2511
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,679
that was a marvelous idea and i think

2512
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:40,239
that's where we're probably gonna go

2513
01:39:40,239 --> 01:39:42,639
just let you know that it's going before

2514
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:44,639
the community association

2515
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:46,719
tomorrow night at their meeting and once

2516
01:39:46,719 --> 01:39:49,280
they get the okay

2517
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,280
then

2518
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:52,840
we'll proceed with

2519
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:55,600
the whole program

2520
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,840
the idea is that we

2521
01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:59,280
my understanding

2522
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,360
is we're not going to go to an all-night

2523
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,280
event there will not be fireworks only

2524
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,760
because we can't get fireworks

2525
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,080
there's a shortage and even the nine

2526
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,159
o'clock gun in vancouver can't fire

2527
01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:12,080
anymore because they can't get black

2528
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:13,119
powder

2529
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:15,119
so there's no guarantee that we get them

2530
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:17,760
so instead of going from

2531
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,320
noon or one o'clock to ten o'clock at

2532
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,800
night we're going to go from

2533
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,639
noon to six

2534
01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:27,360
and have an abbreviated version uh the

2535
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,760
logging show will be there

2536
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,520
and it does involve a three thousand

2537
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,119
dollar deposit

2538
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:34,719
and uh

2539
01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:38,080
if it's canceled by any of us they just

2540
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:39,679
keep it to the next time that they can

2541
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:42,960
show up at which they did the last time

2542
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,159
um so it'll be an abbreviated one uh we

2543
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:49,280
will be doing uh vips and honor guard

2544
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:50,719
and things like that

2545
01:40:50,719 --> 01:40:53,440
so it is going to happen and i'm just

2546
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:54,800
tickled pink that we're going to have

2547
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:56,960
something in this community that we can

2548
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:58,880
celebrate although we will miss the

2549
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,960
fireworks but it might be something that

2550
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,360
i know the chief is looking into other

2551
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,199
venues for the fireworks for the future

2552
01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:07,199
because of the fire hazards maybe do

2553
01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:08,639
them over the harbor

2554
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:10,639
that's in his capable hands

2555
01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:11,440
but

2556
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:13,360
it's moving ahead

2557
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,520
thank you counselor betos um

2558
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,119
and that makes sense

2559
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:19,360
really that might help save some money

2560
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:21,199
on costs

2561
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:23,920
uh yeah there is uh some thoughts about

2562
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,000
asking for more money but i think with

2563
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:28,719
the budget we have it'll be close uh we

2564
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:30,880
may be just fine uh you know we're not

2565
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,800
we don't have to hire security all night

2566
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,520
yeah uh the buses don't have to run uh

2567
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,679
that long still need a bus i suspect but

2568
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:39,520
uh you know it'll be paid for by the

2569
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:41,600
hour so uh there could be some cost

2570
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,760
savings and uh there's some pretty good

2571
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:45,920
consultant staff here that have

2572
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,320
experience putting events on and not

2573
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,080
just cupcakes but could be other good

2574
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,000
ideas there too

2575
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,320
no that's great because some you know in

2576
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,400
the past we have had challenges with the

2577
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,719
fireworks extreme

2578
01:41:58,719 --> 01:42:01,280
weather events that prohibit us from

2579
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:03,199
discharging them with good reasons so we

2580
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:05,040
made that call

2581
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:06,239
and then it was

2582
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:09,920
brought to my attention that um when the

2583
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:13,280
uh the launch site moved across

2584
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,119
uh to the other side of the river that

2585
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:16,639
some of the embers might have damaged

2586
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:19,280
the all-weather field so the proximity

2587
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,679
to the field with the debris that falls

2588
01:42:21,679 --> 01:42:23,520
um might be a challenge so it makes

2589
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,360
sense to actually look at what a better

2590
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,440
location would be

2591
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:28,800
and then just

2592
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,320
you know i sort of think with the

2593
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,639
weather trends

2594
01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:34,800
maybe it'll be a flight of drones in the

2595
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:35,760
future

2596
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,520
that we're starting to see in various

2597
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,400
places because it's just impossible with

2598
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:45,350
the extreme weather to launch them

2599
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,199
still you know and so it's something

2600
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:49,199
just to we'll get more information on

2601
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:53,119
but that that's fine okay other updates

2602
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:56,400
counselor bateman sure um so very

2603
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,239
exciting on friday for the library

2604
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:01,360
opening um you know 7.5 million dollars

2605
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:02,560
and

2606
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:05,440
uh you walk in and you

2607
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:07,119
you know on friday afternoon it was

2608
01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:08,960
filled with with

2609
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,600
young children and their parents and a

2610
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,920
lot of teenagers and

2611
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,520
a number of us old-timers sort of

2612
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:16,800
wandering around

2613
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,920
uh marveling at at um

2614
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,159
this modern library here in the heart of

2615
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:25,080
souk it was quite something

2616
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:26,639
[Music]

2617
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:28,000
there was also the coldest night of the

2618
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,639
year walk on saturday night which raised

2619
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:32,480
twenty one thousand dollars again this

2620
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:35,040
year for the sioux shelter society

2621
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:36,800
and the mayor and

2622
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,520
the shelter society's melanie cunningham

2623
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,360
did some opening remarks and the mayor

2624
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:43,360
made the good point that the colors this

2625
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:44,159
year

2626
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:47,280
of the the toque are yellow and blue and

2627
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,840
the ukraine right there so you bridge

2628
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:51,360
that because it was a

2629
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,760
you know the opening of the library and

2630
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:54,800
uh

2631
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:56,719
the coldest night of the year and the

2632
01:43:56,719 --> 01:43:58,719
possible outbreak of world war iii all

2633
01:43:58,719 --> 01:44:00,159
at once so

2634
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:04,070
kind of puts things in perspective

2635
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,560
i also you mentioned the guiding lights

2636
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,520
uh the the girl guides event which i as

2637
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,280
acting mayor i got to

2638
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,040
to um

2639
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:15,119
i don't know what i did i spoke and

2640
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:17,199
councillor betos was there and

2641
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:19,600
ms frobel from corporate services was

2642
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:21,440
there to switch on the light

2643
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:23,679
and among the things i said was i

2644
01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:25,679
celebrated the fact that this council

2645
01:44:25,679 --> 01:44:26,880
has

2646
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,320
three women

2647
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,880
as role models and examples of the

2648
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,239
possibilities

2649
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:33,920
for girls and women in this brave new

2650
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:36,159
world and i urge them all to identify

2651
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:38,639
and follow their various blisses and to

2652
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:41,679
effectively take no

2653
01:44:41,679 --> 01:44:43,280
right

2654
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:44,719
and we were rewarded with all those

2655
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:45,679
cookies

2656
01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:46,880
right

2657
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,800
a half dozen boxes most of which went

2658
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:50,719
into the staff

2659
01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:52,560
lunchroom so hopefully

2660
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:54,480
oh

2661
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:57,840
they were devoured very rapidly

2662
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,760
and finally the climate action committee

2663
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,320
last week we were the

2664
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,880
amazing presentation by jack anderson i

2665
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,080
don't know are you going to speak to

2666
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:06,960
this

2667
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:08,639
council saying pierre no

2668
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:11,760
so uh jack anderson's with nanaimo based

2669
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,239
green plan and he brought forward the

2670
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:16,880
idea of the farm hamlet template which

2671
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,600
is a farm micro village

2672
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:20,880
basically

2673
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,280
by any other name and it's a place that

2674
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,080
provides housing solutions

2675
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,280
on farmland for farming families

2676
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,400
while improving community food security

2677
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:33,440
and

2678
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:34,480
so on a

2679
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:36,960
piece of land you would have on the

2680
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,800
piece that is the least

2681
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:40,320
uh

2682
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,159
arable no that's not the right word

2683
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:44,560
arable yes um that's where you would

2684
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,639
cluster a collection of

2685
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:48,960
permanent and temporary housing

2686
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:51,679
and um this would be truly affordable

2687
01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:54,239
get people back on the land and and

2688
01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:55,679
working and

2689
01:45:55,679 --> 01:45:57,040
it's it's

2690
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,199
the proposed proposal will be coming to

2691
01:45:59,199 --> 01:46:00,320
council

2692
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:02,800
um with a request for a staff report so

2693
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,400
the climate action committee approved

2694
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:05,280
that

2695
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,840
and the great thing here is mr anderson

2696
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,400
is backed by uh

2697
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:11,119
the

2698
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:13,199
consultants on this project include guy

2699
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:14,320
doncy

2700
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:15,280
um

2701
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,199
who we all know i believe and heather

2702
01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:19,840
pritchard from farm folk city folk

2703
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,159
and a gentleman with quantum college in

2704
01:46:22,159 --> 01:46:24,080
food security who actually lives here in

2705
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:25,280
sioux

2706
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:26,719
and

2707
01:46:26,719 --> 01:46:29,040
ceo mckinnis and councillor st pierre

2708
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:30,480
have all

2709
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:32,480
it's quite an exciting project and it's

2710
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:34,880
a pilot project that

2711
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,960
is scalable to to small or larger farm

2712
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,800
settings and

2713
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,040
here in the 50th anniversary year of the

2714
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:45,760
agricultural land commission it's it's a

2715
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:47,760
really brave bold new

2716
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,199
solution to

2717
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:51,040
a number of issues

2718
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:54,550
so

2719
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,080
thank you councilor bateman councillor

2720
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:59,270
largeness

2721
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,119
yeah um

2722
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:02,560
the

2723
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:03,679
uh

2724
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:05,840
climate action committee the jack

2725
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:08,080
anderson's presentation i was thoroughly

2726
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,400
impressed with that as well and also

2727
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:11,199
with

2728
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:13,679
our climate action coordinator and her

2729
01:47:13,679 --> 01:47:16,639
presentation i thought was was great as

2730
01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:17,520
well

2731
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:19,040
um

2732
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:20,880
i

2733
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,520
met with the

2734
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,560
community act dev committee last week

2735
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:27,840
where

2736
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:32,400
ms carrollsfeld also presented

2737
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:33,199
on

2738
01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:35,600
metrics and tools for green business and

2739
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,920
souk

2740
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,320
and we also had an

2741
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:43,040
excellent presentation from jonathan

2742
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:46,159
dick and sandra richardson from victoria

2743
01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:49,119
foundation and vital signs

2744
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:51,280
was very encouraging and the work that

2745
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:52,960
they do is just

2746
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,119
amazing i didn't take very good notes i

2747
01:47:55,119 --> 01:47:58,080
can't tell you too much about it

2748
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:00,239
but

2749
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:04,000
and i also visited the library on the

2750
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,960
weekend and just was thoroughly

2751
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,800
impressed with the quality of

2752
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:11,119
construction and it's just a beautiful

2753
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:13,199
space and i think i'm going to be

2754
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:17,189
spending quite a bit of time there

2755
01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:19,760
and other than that i just want to

2756
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,520
um

2757
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:23,520
say that my thoughts are with the people

2758
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,639
of ukraine and all of europe actually

2759
01:48:26,639 --> 01:48:29,040
and i have and with russia as well i

2760
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,080
have a lot of russian friends

2761
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:36,080
and what's happening there is not

2762
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:38,800
the russian people it's one lunatic

2763
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:40,960
that's that's causing all the grief

2764
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:42,560
there and

2765
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:45,440
so i don't want people to

2766
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:46,960
um

2767
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,119
think badly of the russian people

2768
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:51,199
because they're not in favor of what's

2769
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:54,070
happening either

2770
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,679
that's it

2771
01:48:55,679 --> 01:48:57,760
thank you councillor lajness

2772
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:02,400
uh just to close myself um i was on the

2773
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,280
selection committee uh for the order of

2774
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:08,000
bc a couple of years ago

2775
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,560
and so the event there was a virtual

2776
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,400
recognition of the

2777
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,400
of the recipients a couple of years ago

2778
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,800
but the event itself was postponed and

2779
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,400
delayed due to count due to covet

2780
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:20,560
obviously but it's actually going ahead

2781
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,520
this thursday so they're putting them

2782
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:26,639
uh together at at government house

2783
01:49:26,639 --> 01:49:28,560
uh so i'll have the opportunity to

2784
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:31,040
attend that event uh in person which

2785
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:33,440
will be really nice to think about what

2786
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:35,840
to wear it's kind of been a while right

2787
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,480
uh and then also i'm on the bc

2788
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:40,000
achievement award so this is where i'm

2789
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,040
sort of confusing the selection and

2790
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,520
processes together because just what's

2791
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,760
on my mind at the moment

2792
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:49,520
but it's inspiring work

2793
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:51,679
to read through all of the nominees and

2794
01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:53,840
just to see how

2795
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:55,199
folks are making a difference in their

2796
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:58,480
respective communities this is for bc

2797
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:00,400
and then my role is to pick out the top

2798
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,320
40 which is proving to be nearly

2799
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:04,719
impossible because

2800
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:06,639
there's it's just amazing work that's

2801
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:09,119
occurring it's very inspiring

2802
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:10,560
um

2803
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:12,080
one thing i do have coming up on

2804
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,080
international women's days i might have

2805
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,000
shared with you my involvement with un

2806
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,800
habitat and the urban development group

2807
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:21,920
so they're doing a two-day session

2808
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:24,480
north america women and

2809
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:26,239
and urban

2810
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:28,480
sustainability goals so i'll be one of

2811
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:30,159
the speakers

2812
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:31,840
on the second day

2813
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:33,920
and it's always fascinating just as i

2814
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:35,599
look through the program and who will be

2815
01:50:35,599 --> 01:50:37,360
speaking so

2816
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,679
there's um because it's in ontario there

2817
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:41,360
are a lot of folks from ontario

2818
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:44,080
including the lieutenant governor there

2819
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:47,119
uh followed by different mps and so

2820
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:49,360
forth but there's a speaker coming from

2821
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,199
mexico that'll be talking about the

2822
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:54,080
feminist approach in the mexican content

2823
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:57,840
member of parliament from winnipeg

2824
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:01,280
several from different treaty nations

2825
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:03,280
uh the canadian center for women's

2826
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,920
empowerment and so forth so it's it's

2827
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,239
it's all on zoom which sometimes has its

2828
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:10,560
challenges but um

2829
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,239
again it's always very exciting for me

2830
01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:14,400
though this means my day starts at 5 30

2831
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:15,920
because i'm always like is that pacific

2832
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:18,560
time no my it's eastern time as we

2833
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:20,560
always tell you but

2834
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:22,320
i'm like that's okay it's it's an early

2835
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,080
start so that's coming up in something

2836
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:25,040
um

2837
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,440
you know i i find the work expiring

2838
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:29,360
uh lovely for the library to open and

2839
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,520
look forward to that grand opening event

2840
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:32,960
i think they're just still finalizing

2841
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:34,560
the time i believe

2842
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,599
march 26th at 1 pm it has been finalized

2843
01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:39,599
at 1 pm okay good i was going to ask

2844
01:51:39,599 --> 01:51:42,639
that and then just timely with the souk

2845
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:45,199
shelter walk because

2846
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:46,400
after i

2847
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:48,320
parted ways i went to get takeout in

2848
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,560
route 14 and there was a bit of a queue

2849
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:53,119
outside and so the folks waiting to go

2850
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:54,639
inside or the folks sitting in the

2851
01:51:54,639 --> 01:51:56,639
window and looking out would see like

2852
01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:59,679
gaggles of small groups going by

2853
01:51:59,679 --> 01:52:03,360
and so many thought it was a a walk uh

2854
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,520
to support the ukraine so then someone

2855
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:07,280
said to me well why are they not all

2856
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,199
together and it keeps breaking up into

2857
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:11,760
groups like what i just left it right

2858
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:12,719
because

2859
01:52:12,719 --> 01:52:14,000
like i don't want to say that i'm

2860
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,080
eavesdropping but it's fine and and a

2861
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,239
lot of people were also giving that

2862
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:20,159
support so i think that was important as

2863
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:21,119
well

2864
01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:24,080
uh we have over a million

2865
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:26,239
uh folks with ukraine heritage within

2866
01:52:26,239 --> 01:52:27,840
our country i'm not sure how many in

2867
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:29,520
suit but of course we're all touched by

2868
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:30,639
this

2869
01:52:30,639 --> 01:52:33,040
and i find the events um

2870
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:35,440
very alarming and and

2871
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:37,840
worrisome for sure i think it's a

2872
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,400
frightening time right now so i try to

2873
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,480
keep the conversation light at home but

2874
01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:44,560
of course it's with us all the time so

2875
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:46,639
my thoughts of course as well and i

2876
01:52:46,639 --> 01:52:48,560
agree with you there's some really good

2877
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:50,480
people in russia that are terrified

2878
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:52,400
about what's happening here there's

2879
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,960
there's no doubt about that

2880
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,280
okay council thank you all i'm our

2881
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:59,520
member of the public that stayed with us

2882
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:01,760
mr mcinnis thank you worship i just want

2883
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:04,400
to mention that uh we were able to

2884
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:07,360
source a uh ukraine flag today it will

2885
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,119
be here tomorrow

2886
01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:12,800
our flag policy

2887
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:15,119
section for courtesy flags it doesn't

2888
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:17,440
necessarily directly fit but

2889
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:20,320
i think we're going to put this under a

2890
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,560
district event and that does give the

2891
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:24,960
ceo and the mayor some latitude so

2892
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,119
there's no objection uh we'll replace

2893
01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:30,239
the district's uh flag with the ukraine

2894
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:32,320
flag uh sometime tomorrow for a period

2895
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:33,520
of time

2896
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,440
thank you very much norm thank you for

2897
01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:37,840
getting on that so quickly i um and

2898
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,000
thanks to jennifer for her work today

2899
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:41,520
and sourcing that real quickly and

2900
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:43,360
having it delivered tomorrow

2901
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,360
that's great because i thought oh i

2902
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,119
should have i should have

2903
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:49,280
mentioned that friday because by monday

2904
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:50,480
they're all

2905
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:52,159
they're going to be very hard to find

2906
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:53,920
but i'm glad you found one no that'll be

2907
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:56,400
great thank you for that

2908
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:59,440
okay so on that note folks um be well

2909
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:01,440
i'll call now for a motion to adjourn

2910
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:03,360
please move by counselor saint pierre

2911
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:06,320
seconded by councillor elijah nass

2912
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:08,000
see there it's like this needs to be a

2913
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:09,840
little narrower because like you can't

2914
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:10,800
see

2915
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,880
i can't i can't see you all and honestly

2916
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:15,199
like this like you start to get motion

2917
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:17,040
sickness after like i'm getting dizzy

2918
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:19,119
which is why i tend for a while i need

2919
01:54:19,119 --> 01:54:21,360
to just look in one direction so i'm not

2920
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:23,360
trying to ignore you

2921
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:24,320
but

2922
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:27,440
i just make a noise it it makes me a bit

2923
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:29,920
ill like it's just the way it goes so i

2924
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:31,679
don't need to leave anyone out i just

2925
01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:33,599
can't

2926
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:36,480
see that way that's all anyway okay call

2927
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,639
the question on german all in favor

2928
01:54:38,639 --> 01:54:40,560
that's unanimous thank you everyone

2929
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:42,800
thank you