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Okay.

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The Prince George's County Planning Board is now in session. I will say happy hallemines to everyone. If you haven't had any chocolate or if you want a second dose, but don't get too carried away with your hearing, this candy up here in the witches pot. And I understand, Laurie, Ms. Laurie, before we commence, are we ready? Are we ready out there?

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Okay, so let me know where do we have that basket so we can give it to him here.

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Okay

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No, I didn't see that.

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No, I didn't see that.

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No, I didn't see that.

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Yeah, I got it this morning.

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There's another magazine out there.

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Oh, my God.

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I just see that out there.

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But I just tried this copy.

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Thank you.

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I don't keep going.

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I've tried this.

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I don't keep going.

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Would you please?

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I've tried this.

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I just tried this copy.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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They're coming.

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They're coming.

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They're coming.

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I still love the witch out there,

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dude.

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Okay, thank

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you.

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So, dude, we don't need children in the big camera.

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Okay, Prince George is kind of planning for us now in session.

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And if you Halloween, enough ends for a lot of you

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look very boring out there.

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You just didn't get with the program.

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Our first order of business is item two.

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The draft minutes of the planning board meeting of September 26, 2013,

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and October 3rd, 2013, is their motion.

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Move a program out of cheer.

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Second.

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We have a motion and a second.

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Is there any discussion?

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed.

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The eyes have it.

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We also have,

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I know we have item one.

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We have some resolutions.

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But I don't see that, it's just shut.

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Do we have them in it?

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Why have...

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We're just looking at these.

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I don't know.

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I thought it was for the capital challenge.

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We have a resolution for commendation for the capital challenge horse show.

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Whereas in 1994, Billy Glass and Oliver Kennedy,

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through the capital challenge partnership created the capital challenge horse show.

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This is a

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Major event which has become a part of the indoor horse show fall circuit throughout the United States, and the capital challenge maximizes and showcases the use of unique facilities and features the show place arena at Prince George's Equestrian Center in Upper Marble, which is owned by the Park Planning Commission.

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Thousands of competitors, spectators, and attendees come each year, and it's a nine-day

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capital challenge course show, and it continues to have, not only is it a fabulous horse show,

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but it provides a tremendous economic impact to the numerous businesses, the hotel, and

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the restaurant, industry, and Prince George's county, and on an enslaved business about

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the county in the state of Maryland and the region.

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Whereas the capital challenge horse show promotes Maryland's diverse equestrian culture and

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in the field of Hunter Jumper, honoring a special sport based on trusting relationship between

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riders and their animals, and whereas the capital challenge recently held this 20th

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event at Shilplace Arena, continuing that tradition of consistently setting and enforcing

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high standards for trainers and exhibitors and drawing quality horses to an outstanding

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and well managed event.

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Now therefore, be it resolved that the Prince George's County Planning Board of the Maryland

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National Capital Park and Planning Commission,

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commends the Capital Challenge Horse Show

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on a stellar record of accomplishment.

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Recognizes and thanks the Capital Challenge

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for its continuous patronage of the Showplace Arena

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and the Prince George's Equestrian Center

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and wishes the show's organizers

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continue to success in the future.

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So is there a motion to approve the resolution?

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Second, first, second, second.

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Second, second, second.

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We have a motion in a second.

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is there any discussion? All in favour?

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Aye. Opposed?

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Aye.

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Is there anyone here to oppose the staff's recommendations on items 4b through 4b or any board member who wishes to discuss any of these items?

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Madam Chair, after consideration of the record for items number 4b through 4b through 4b.

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I'm with the adoption of the staff finds an approval of the items on the consent agenda in accordance with the recommendation of staff.

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We have a motion in a second as a really discussion. All in favor. I oppose as having I was trying to get this post that before we start.

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Okay, can you come?

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Thank you.

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Item six.

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I don't believe.

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don't believe you.

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Why do you use your devil?

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All right.

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Good morning, Madam Chair.

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Members of the Board.

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For the record, my name is Jill Kinazak, and I am with Urban Design Section.

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The case before you now is, I don't know, number 6, DSP 13021, Bible Life Christian Center.

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Subject application is requested for approval of a 1,700 and 2 square foot addition to an existing

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church building.

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On a 1.94 equal property in the R-55 zone, staff is recommending approval with conditions

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for DSP 13021, and the associated alternative compliance AC,

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The subject size is located in planning area 76B, Council District 8, and the developed here.

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The site vicinity map shows the properties located on the east side of Livingston Road.

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Approximately 650 feet north of its intersection with St. Barnabes Road.

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Subject property is an R-55 zone and is bounded to the west,

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A public bright-of-way of Livingston Road with single-family detached homes in the R-55 zone beyond and to the north south and east by single-family detached homes in the R-55 zone.

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This map shows this other property is not within any overlay zones, and this map shows that the property is already developed and you can also see the surrounding existing residential neighborhoods.

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On this map you see that there's very little slope on the property and some existing trees along the edges.

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This map shows that Livingston Road is a master plan collector right-of-way and is adjacent to the subject property.

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This is the bird's eye view of the property.

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Here we have looking north.

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The subject site consists of two existing parcels that form one large rectangle.

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With the short end fronting on the east side of Livingston Road right-of-way.

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Both existing parcels were originally developed with single-family detached homes prior to 1965.

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And the existing house, on partial 255, here, was expanded and turned into a church use with 72 seats under a permanent approved in 1994.

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This is a Vard's IV of the Property-looking West.

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You can see Livingston Road here in the background, the existing church building,

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And then this existing building to the south side of the property is a former house that now serves as a rectory for the church.

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And this is a better view of the rectory with looking east at the property.

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Looking east towards the property, excuse me, the church is in the front here.

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One existing 25 foot wide driveway, off of Livingston Road, into the middle of the site, serves both parcels and is to remain unchanged with the subject application.

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The existing 2007-11 square foot one-story 25-foot high church building is located in the

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northwestern corner of the site within 10 feet of the northern property line here, and within

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42 feet of the right way of Livingston Road.

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The proposed 1,702 square foot, one story, 20 foot, 25 foot high addition, will extend the

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south of this building and will create a long rectangular building parallel to the road.

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The existing parking lot, which is located behind into the east of the existing church building,

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will be extended to the south and around the southern end of the new addition to accommodate

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We also have additional staff here for a second because this is an annual thing with the children.

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And so apparently we have visitors and so we're going to put a push from here.

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Everyone within our audience and our viewing audience, let me just say, we have fun on Halloween and we have fun.

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When we can, but do not get confused, we take our responsibility very, very, very seriously.

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So we are giving you our undivided attention on your cases today as everything goes

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day.

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So we just want to make sure that there's no confusion.

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We maybe we should misess for a moment, man.

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Let's do that.

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Okay,

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Prince George is kind of planning board as back in session.

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Ms. Koseck, I have six.

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Yes.

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I think where I left off.

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Yes.

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I was describing the plan.

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There is a existing 2007-11 square foot one story.

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25-foot-high church here in the northwestern corner of the property, and then the proposed

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1702 square-foot building edition will be at the south of this building, creating a long

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rectangular building that's parallel to Livingston Road. The existing parking lot is located

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behind into the east of the existing church, and will be extended to the south around the

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southern end of the new edition to accommodate the required parking. A proposed shallow wet

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Well, we'll be located in the southwestern corner of the site to manage stormwater runoff from the additional parking lot in building areas.

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The existing 184 square foot one and a half story 23 foot high residential rectory building is located in the south eastern corner of the property within 29 feet of the southern property line.

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And there is an existing 503 square foot, 15 foot high shed located to that, the southeast

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of that, within three feet of the southern property line.

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And then there is an existing paved driveway area located on the eastern side of the residential

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rectory building.

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No new improvements are proposed in this area of the site.

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There is a variance request associated with the DSP from the requirement of Section 27-441B,

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put note 52A for a minimum 25 foot set back from each slot line. Again, the existing shed is located

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within three feet of the southern property line. And the existing portion of the church

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building is located within 10 feet of the northern property line. Both of these conditions

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have been in existence since prior to 1965 when the residential properties were originally

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built. The new church building is internal to the site and is not encroaching to this

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For this, another reason is described in the staff report, staff has found the subject

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application meets the criteria for granting the variance and recommends the planning

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for the approved variance as part of the CSP application.

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AC-1301-2 is for the same issue relative to the existing Sheds encroachment

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into the required section 4.7 in compatible use buffer yard along the southern property line.

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Again, the staff recommends applying board to prove this AC.

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These elevations show the combined existing and proposed church parts.

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The top elevation here is the western elevation facing Livingston Road

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with the existing church on the left portion

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and the proposed addition to the right.

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The middle elevation here is the eastern elevation facing towards the existing parking lot area

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with the existing church to the right end, and the proposed addition on the left.

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And then this lower left elevation is the southern end of the building.

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This is the new addition portion of the church.

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And then the one on the lower right is the existing northern elevation of the church.

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Again, this is the existing portion of the building.

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The existing church building has a dark brown asphalt shingled gabled roof and is finished in beige vinyl siding on all elevations, and it also has ample white trimmed windows and a balanced design.

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Crossgable features provide some variation to the existing roof line, and the main door is located along the western elevation at the northern end of the building.

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For post-building, building addition will continue the same materials, but will also have

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a brick-fineared water table along the western and eastern elevations.

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This added feature enhances the appearance of the building, but seems out of places that

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does not continue along the existing building, or along the southern elevation of the

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addition.

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Therefore, South has included a condition in the recommendation section to require the

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water table to be extended around the entire building, including the existing portion, for continuity and to enhance the appearance of the overall building.

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The following is a short series of photographs of the existing site in area.

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This is looking at the western elevation of the existing church building from Livingston Road, Livingston Road in the foreground.

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And then this is the southern and eastern elevation of the existing church building.

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The proposed church edition will be here in the foreground and then the proposed additional parking

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area will be further in front of that.

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And then a different view of looking south at the eastern elevation of the existing church

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building.

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This area will remain largely unchanged except for the condition requiring the continuation of the brick water table along the building.

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With that, the Urban Design Section recommends plainboard adopt the findings of staff and approve DSP 13021 and AC13012 with the Associate Variance for Bible Life Christian Center, subject to the one condition found on pages 15 and 16 of the staff report and this concludes staff's presentation.

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Thank you Ms. Josec, I have other questions at this time.

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Okay, Jeffrey way.

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Do you wish to speak?

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Please come to have an identify yourself for the record.

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Good morning, Jeffrey way.

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I'd like to read the microphone a little bit.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We are appreciative of the work of staff and we accept the conditions and the approval

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And, which to say thank you again for working with us.

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When we first encountered this process, I've had history with the Church for nearly 20 years.

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I was the architect of record when they developed the first piece of land, which was roughly a little more than half an acre.

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And so the Church through its good work in the community, and the Church of the Kingdom, has been able to acquire the piece of land that comes around to the rear,

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into the right, which was being indicated with the cursor, and it was our belief that the

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line was two acres.

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However, through the process of Livingston Road being widened, some years ago, a small piece of land was used for public space, and so the church resulted with 1.9 filmmakers, and it's actually that loss of 0.06 acres that necessitated this hearing.

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And so, with my experience in other jurisdictions, I know we're all sort of doing different things according to our requirements and the lay of the land.

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For example, in Washington DC, they have something called the 80% rule, which allows that if a lot is at least 80% of the statutory requirement that it can be processed and approved by the most streamlined process.

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So, although we accept the process and you appreciate the kind of work of the excellent work of staff,

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I would just like to bring it to the discussion, or at least for the record that the commission and the committee would consider some sort of rule that allows

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properties that are reduced by virtue of public works or something like that to be looked at favorably and with a streamlined approach.

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Thank you very much.

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Look into that, at least entertain a discussion with our elected officials on that, too.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Are there any questions in this or way?

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Mr. Peterson, do you wish to speak?

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Come on down. Please identify yourself for the record.

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Johnny Peterson passed over by the Life Press Center.

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And I just want to thank you all for hearing our case this morning.

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want to thank the jail for the hard work that she has done and I just thought the work was

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commendable and I also want to thank you for the hard work he has done as well.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Peterson.

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Okay.

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Will there any questions?

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Thank you.

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Was there anyone else to speak on this matter?

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Is there a motion?

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And here we are going to be a down-the-finalist of Stairton, a political site planned ESP-1-302-1.

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There's a permanent section 27441-B, and there's a footnote 5-5-2-A of the Zonan-Odeness and Oxford

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to provide AC-1-3-0-1-2 for the life-priced as center of substitute conditions as list of

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on pages 15 and 16.

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We have a motion and a second is their discussion.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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The eyes have it.

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Well, number nine.

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Oh, my goodness.

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Wait a minute.

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Is that the lone ratio?

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Oh, my goodness.

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Oh my goodness! The long rains are! Oh my goodness!

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Some launches,

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rockets, and some restless wrestlers, of course meet to hang up my guns, but I

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am the new sheriff in town.

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Thank you, Sheriff, and please continue to maintain some law and order. We need some

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Okay.

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I don't know.

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Oh, wait a minute. No. Oh, yeah.

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Okay.

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Mark, all right.

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You'll be here morning today.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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I'll look for backup.

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Yeah, if she behind her back, it'd be clear.

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Good morning, Madam Chair and members of the planning board.

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For the record, this is Henry Zann with the Urban Design section.

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At the 9 in front of you is face one detail side plan for Westerla Town Center

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for 348 townhouses.

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The site is in play area 78,

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Council District 6.

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It's we've seen a developing year of the county.

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This exhibition, the larger Westerla Town Center,

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which is located on the north side of Pennsylvania Avenue, west of the Melwood Road.

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The site basically is zone MXT, is a mixed-use transportation or in hit zone.

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And adjacent to the rest of the other West Philadelphia development, this is the Smith's home farm, right, to the north of the property.

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There is no overlay on this side.

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Aero photo shows that the site is basically undivolved.

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A lot of environmental features on the largest site,

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but the site we are talking about today

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within this detailed site plan is basically has

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no significant environmental feature.

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This is the master plan right away map,

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which shows the Pennsylvania Avenue here, excuse me,

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and then major collector, which pathing through

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the portion of the site.

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This is just the bird-eye view of the larger

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west-field of town center.

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Give you kind of a big picture.

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This is the entire west-field of town center project.

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And there was five phases, and this is the phase one.

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Actually, this is the first phase of the phase one, because we're looking at this rectangular

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areas only for today.

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This is the detailed side plan.

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You can see the rectangular with the big circle.

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This circle known as the Eastern Circle of the residential portion.

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348 townhouse unit as being proposed.

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They are full blocks, we're urban type of blocks in dense.

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And the surrounding the big circle.

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Alley has been, alley system has been used,

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yes.

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This is the exhibit of parking.

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This site has a very long approval history.

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2007, excuse me.

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Let's fill a second play.

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We turned the larger property in the MXC zone.

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And after that, there is a conceptual side plan that has been approved for the logic side.

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And there is one revision, is 01 revision, to CSP 0704, which exclude more property from the rest of the Westfield Account Center.

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And then there is a condition was just reconfigured by the planning board last planning

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hearing to allow the fronloaded garage unit to be in this part of the town center.

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And there are one preliminary plan of subdivision covered the largest site of this

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One, yeah, covered the entire town center side.

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And then there are three detailed side plan.

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One is DSP-12017, which is the infrastructure detail side plan for face one, which covered

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this area.

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And then there is another special purpose detail side plan, DSP-12043, which was approved by

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In this year, a specific governing this signage, rack facilities and trails of the larger

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site.

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And then, a planable recently approved umbrella detail side plan is DSP-301, which

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the residential, you know, architectures for the, for the logic development.

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In this case, even though it's a face one, and then since the architecture has been

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approved previously, and then we, we don't have a specific model included in this

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details side by side, but the model will be used within the pool of the

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1301.

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If you remember in the umbrella approval, one of the

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features, one of the components of that approval is to identify

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different type of street and according to street and the category, there is a the break

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percentage has been required for the development. You see here this is the face one covered

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in the state of Saipai which will be subject to the umbrella approvals break percentage

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requirement.

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They are two major tile house units as being proposed to be included in this

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face one. And then this one is the 16-footer. Basically, the width of the tile house is

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16 in a feet. And different type of roof pattern, if you remember.

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Yeah, this is just

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pitch roofed one. This is the other townhouse model, which has a 20 feet front-age width

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of the building and then different combination.

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This is the flat roof,

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yes, this is another

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model.

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There's another one, there's the biggest one, most of them are located at the

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24-footer, and they have different, you know, architecture elaborations here and also this

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did rear of the building. And then this is the flat roof allotions. This is the break

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percentage exhibit. Since the site included in this detail site plan is located here, exactly

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this rectangular shape. And then we have 50% along the grain. And those year lows are 70%

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break requirements. And in this, this black unit basically is a highly visible unit, which

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will have additional requirement for the break on the isolation.

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I would like to show the

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There is one special location of this detail side pie, which is over here, the applicant and their

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design section could not upgrade a palm,

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the design of this small section.

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I'll try to, yeah, bring it out here.

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Do you need to review of this, of this face one,

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a design section paid a very special attention

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to the relationship of the UNIX,

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because it's comparatively very dense

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and a very, very, very in a way to have so many UNIX

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within a very small confined areas of the Alice system.

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And then we pay special attention to the relationship of the units and to avoid the rear of the unit to be directly fronting the front of the unit.

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And then, in this case, there's a one situation here, you see here, and highlighted in green.

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Basically, it has three units, which have the front, have the front of the other building directly seen.

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In the rear, back yard of the three units. And then, yeah, addition, I think, since it's very dense, you see, the full blocks are very dense as well, we try to ask for some green open space in the middle of the block in order to provide the relief in terms of the urban design.

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We recommended in the staff recommendation, if you can go to your backup page

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36, there is a condition as Nancy.

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We basically recommend the applicant to remove those three units in order to avoid the situation that, you know, those three units rear yard basically fronting the front of the other units.

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The in order for this block to have a central located grain of in space.

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I think the applicant try, at least during the review process, to redesign this small section,

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and then they propose to screen this area from the rest of the front unit.

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And we'll go to one of the slides that provided this will be the view from the rear yard of those three units.

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At least one of them seeing the other front of the other building.

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And then another exhibit you see here that's from the other unit, the fronting rear of this one.

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I really appreciate the applicant's efforts during the review process.

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The issue is that the site is very tiny.

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The site is so tiny that from this point of this triangle,

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triangular shape to this point is on the 70 feet.

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70, 70, 70, and then if you go from this point, you point to this point, the add and

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other 70.

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So the high block width of the front here to here is only a 140 feet, and then from this

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side, from here to here is about 78 feet.

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So it's so constrained, I mean the size is so small.

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You know, Dawkins shows some screening effort, but they're stoppedly with really no space to, you know, try to achieve the screening.

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Therefore, we still recommend that the entire, I mean, there's three units, as including condition number and one, and should be removed.

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You're talking about that condition, bro.

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No, no.

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Those units, yeah.

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I mean, that's why we have the condition.

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I'm sorry for the confusion.

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Yes, you're speaking of the three units that are enclosed within the green perimeter.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir.

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Is there any way that if it was less perhaps two units would it make a difference?

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Well, actually you've the entire 3 unit got removed this the errors covers within this

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Green line is only

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Less than 8,000 square feet, so it's really small

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What 70 feet looks like I can try to measure the width of this room

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Anybody have the idea?

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Probably 40 feet already from that. What's it out? Yeah, yeah

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So it's very, very small and then given it to the building anyway, those are the major things.

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This application has been reviewed for conformance with MX T-zone and then design guidelines as stated in section 27274P.

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And then we'll finally have 27, 28, 5, B, 4, 4 of the details of the pipeline.

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And also the staff has reviewed for conformance this side for the previous approved conditions.

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We have a long history, so we have a lot of discussion of this applicable conditions.

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And then which includes the one CSP, one preliminary final subdivision as three details of the pipeline.

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This site is subject to Section 4.8, which is the urban and regional community landscape

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management requirement.

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That's the 4.8, and then it's basically consistent with the requirement.

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This site is also subject to woodland and white-life habitat and tree conservation ordinance,

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and also tree canopy coverage requirements as well.

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There's no objection, we see during the review of this detail siphon.

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The Westfilling Effective Development and Review Council has not response to the referral

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request for this detail siphon yet, and the translation planning section does not have

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any issues with the approval of this detail siphon.

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The referral comments were received kind of a late, but we eventually included the memo in your backup as well.

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Every design section recommends a pool of detailed sideframe,

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1306 will face one.

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Westfield, a town center, including type 2-3 conservation

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plant TCP 2-029-12-02, with the 11 conditions as stated on page 33 to 38 of the

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report. The applicant has some revision will be proposed to the planning board, and I think

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the staff did not have time to fully digest them, and we would like to respond after

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the applicant proposed them. Thank you.

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Okay, are there any questions of Mr. Senator this time?

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No.

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Okay, Mr. Schiff.

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Mr. Dunn?

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Just get it.

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Okay.

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Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Members of the board for the record build shift with the Maui Miles Dileman Gilmore.

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I'll introduce the Calvertin here for the applicant.

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Have our design and development team and our applicant with us.

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the lead should round of course is here assisting me from the legal side and we're very

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pleased to be where we are with this application today. You've seen us a lot in the

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last few weeks because the project is moving forward which is a good thing and I

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want to thank Mr. Zany for all his work and everybody's staff. I could tell you

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we've met every other week for well over a year on this project and so we've worked

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through many, many, many, many issues, lots of mostly agreement, and then one issue that you'll

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hear about today, Mrs. Ang, updated that we do disagree with staff and we'd like some consideration

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of, but I do want to commend that for them, for their work. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Okay, and we'll

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get to that. The first phase of the project is 384 townhouses. It is a very urban design

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as is dictated by the sector plan by the previous approval, since intentionally urban, it has

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a major focal point, which is the circle in the middle of the project of phase 1, which

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you see on this parking exhibit, which is up now. That's circle, as I told the board before,

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but I'll remind you, is roughly the size of DuPont circle downtown. It is a major amenity

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for the project and we're happy to say that we're doing it with phase 1, so we'll be there

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just to the south of the slide, I'm not sure which looks like it's east, but of the circle.

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In the middle, you see a rectangular area that looks like it might be a street.

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That is an area that we have converted to a muse, a green strip, and as you see the project unfold, this muse will continue down to another major parcel,

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which is one of the main community buildings for the town center.

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So we will essentially have a walking mall

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from the main circle down to this community building that will be built.

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01:09:33,270 --> 01:09:36,090
Mr. Zipajus, flag those areas please.

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Mr. Zipajus, can you put, there's a circle.

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You want to go to the larger slide.

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OK. Oh, OK.

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And then you can see a render a little bit there.

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And on the vicinity map or the context map to the right there,

461
01:09:50,710 --> 01:09:56,010
You can see there's much more of the property that continues off to the right in that green

462
01:09:56,010 --> 01:09:56,370
area.

463
01:09:56,750 --> 01:10:02,590
We'll extend early on in the project and discussions we met with transportation staff and others

464
01:10:02,590 --> 01:10:08,670
about the possibility of eliminating that connecting street that does nothing to hinder the

465
01:10:08,670 --> 01:10:13,250
circulation within the project, but it creates this pedestrian demenity that we thought

466
01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:19,730
was really nice for the project itself and you can see the circle in this slide is heavily

467
01:10:19,730 --> 01:10:22,230
landscape didn't monetize.

468
01:10:23,850 --> 01:10:27,150
There is on-street parking, worked into this proposal

469
01:10:27,570 --> 01:10:32,710
in addition to the code requirement for the units we have added on-street parking

470
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:37,870
again to provide a little bit of extra parking, but also to create that urban

471
01:10:37,870 --> 01:10:39,910
field throughout the project.

472
01:10:40,530 --> 01:10:44,590
And we are continuing that throughout the project as we go forward.

473
01:10:46,510 --> 01:10:54,430
We believe the site plan, as presented, to staff and as Henry has outlined with you today,

474
01:10:54,990 --> 01:11:00,430
is an excellent implementation of the first phase of West Valley Town Center.

475
01:11:00,990 --> 01:11:06,550
I won't go through everything until but I do want to take a moment and focus on the conditions

476
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:13,590
and the comments that we have, most of which I think staff, although they didn't have a lot of time

477
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:21,790
I'm hoping do not have a big issue with if there is one that we will obviously need to discuss in some detail.

478
01:11:25,580 --> 01:11:31,860
I've taken the staff's recommended conditions and highlighted my proposed changes so that you can follow along.

479
01:11:35,730 --> 01:11:37,410
I wait for that to be handed out.

480
01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:45,360
On the first page.

481
01:11:46,540 --> 01:11:47,480
Are you ready to monitor?

482
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:49,740
Yes.

483
01:11:56,890 --> 01:11:57,130
Okay.

484
01:12:02,350 --> 01:12:03,950
On the first page.

485
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:07,750
condition 1 through A through E, no changes.

486
01:12:09,630 --> 01:12:09,930
Yes.

487
01:12:10,210 --> 01:12:10,830
We're going to.

488
01:12:10,830 --> 01:12:11,330
Yes, ma'am.

489
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:12,810
You want to mark this as applicants.

490
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:13,790
It's a bit one.

491
01:12:14,170 --> 01:12:15,270
Thank you, ma'am.

492
01:12:15,390 --> 01:12:21,970
And we'll accept applicants proposed by business to the conditions into the record.

493
01:12:22,050 --> 01:12:22,490
As applicants.

494
01:12:22,750 --> 01:12:23,670
It's a bit number one.

495
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:26,710
Page 2.

496
01:12:26,770 --> 01:12:28,810
Page 2, which is really 34.

497
01:12:28,810 --> 01:12:40,010
staff report. Conditions 1, FG and H, no changes. H, 3, sub 3 is a change only in that. I believe

498
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:44,790
the language that we stricken as the boilerplate environmental planning language. This project

499
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:50,990
has been approved for FI and Liu by the district council and we didn't want to there to be

500
01:12:50,990 --> 01:12:54,870
in a confusion about that that we're proposing to you. This is I.

501
01:12:57,460 --> 01:13:03,020
I'll change to all the environmental signer, Mr. Rogers.

502
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:05,520
Good morning.

503
01:13:05,860 --> 01:13:06,300
Good morning, thank you, Mr. Rogers.

504
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:07,720
Environmental Planning.

505
01:13:13,070 --> 01:13:19,470
We, the use of Fian Lu was approved by the District Council's part of the CSP approval.

506
01:13:20,170 --> 01:13:27,950
And with the preliminary plan approval, there was a condition to have this note in full placed on the TCP1.

507
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:41,770
And so it's our position that the entire note should be continued to be shown on the TCP-2 just in conformance with the preliminary plan approval and the TCP-1.

508
01:13:42,190 --> 01:13:49,830
And the reason being, I think we all understand that the use of FEMLU is approved, but just kind of as a reminder moving forward.

509
01:13:49,830 --> 01:14:00,430
And of course, we would prefer to see, you know, as much preservation reforce station in each phase as possible to meet the threshold to the greatest extent possible.

510
01:14:01,690 --> 01:14:08,690
Madam Chair, with that clarification from staff and as long as that is on the record that everybody understands this project.

511
01:14:08,690 --> 01:14:14,690
I think that would be excellent, thank you Ben, so we do not need to strike some of the delay.

512
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:17,450
This is how you got that as an additional finding of this.

513
01:14:17,930 --> 01:14:21,100
Thank you.

514
01:14:21,380 --> 01:14:25,320
Moving on all the way through one K, no changes.

515
01:14:31,770 --> 01:14:39,970
One L, we asked to strike the last language which addresses in accordance with the approved

516
01:14:39,970 --> 01:14:46,510
that are playing the subdivision and again I think this is a clarification I believe this

517
01:14:46,510 --> 01:14:53,010
condition was addressing one issue regarding one of the out parcels which we have agreed to

518
01:14:54,270 --> 01:14:59,090
is address somewhere else in the conditions relabeling a parcel to an out parcel.

519
01:15:00,020 --> 01:15:14,800
But in fact, we do label all the meets bounds that the bearings and distances on the locks and blocks, but as you get down the detailed site plan, the individual townhouse locks are slightly different than the preliminary plan.

520
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:23,220
So we didn't want to be confusion there, and I think subdivision was looking at an issue regarding one of the larger outparsals, not the individual townhouse locks.

521
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,060
Yeah, I think it makes sense.

522
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:28,540
Oh, we agree with that.

523
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:29,020
Okay.

524
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,960
One end is the one we have a little bit of a subset of discussion about a minute.

525
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:34,740
Thank you.

526
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,080
Thank you.

527
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:41,720
Three is a condition two is fine.

528
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:49,140
Three is a condition which we are just adding in the word temporary before entrance because

529
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:52,860
ultimately there will be an entrance there and we didn't want it to be suggested there

530
01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:54,060
that we're going to choose.

531
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:55,540
This is that?

532
01:15:55,580 --> 01:15:57,040
We all, okay, was that.

533
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:04,860
Number four is a discussion we have a staff at one of our more recent meetings about making

534
01:16:04,860 --> 01:16:09,900
sure that the wrecked facilities related to this phase are timed with the completion of this

535
01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:10,440
phase.

536
01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:18,720
And so rather than saying 349th building permit overall in the project, we wanted to tie it

537
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:25,460
a building permit trigger within this phase, which actually I think is a better result for staff,

538
01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:31,800
not to speak for them. And so we proposed that it would be prior to the 200th building

539
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:38,700
permit for the townhouse units within phase one. We're a great kind of, you know, earlier than

540
01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:41,720
previous conditions. Thank you. Thank you.

541
01:16:45,220 --> 01:16:50,590
Number five is regarding the stream restoration

542
01:16:50,590 --> 01:16:58,210
work, and in this one we want to make a clarification that it'd be the 350th building permit

543
01:16:58,210 --> 01:17:05,470
or permit for single family units attached or detached, because I wasn't quite sure where

544
01:17:05,470 --> 01:17:13,290
the 350th was coming from, and we are proposing in phase one, 380 townhouse units,

545
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:20,570
and we

546
01:17:22,170 --> 01:17:31,310
environmental planning. Our original recommendation was to have the timing for the stream

547
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:39,310
restoration works to begin tied to a subsequent DSP. So I mean it would have to be

548
01:17:39,310 --> 01:17:47,570
started perform before a subsequent DSP were to be accepted and we would prefer not to

549
01:17:47,570 --> 01:17:57,850
to a specific building permit. So we are leaning more toward keeping the original language of any phase, following just phase.

550
01:17:59,970 --> 01:18:17,130
Well, if I may manage to, the reason we put it in, and the every size section put it in specific number of the building permit, because that will be easy to track, otherwise they may have different applications, you know,

551
01:18:17,130 --> 01:18:26,570
condition. The reason we try to put in 350 actually we try to do the 349 because in this

552
01:18:26,570 --> 01:18:32,570
phozo it's 348 house yeah we'll just say right after you that was this face you had to

553
01:18:32,570 --> 01:18:39,290
go to do that so that's why we have the 350 it's kind of a use it to remember and then to

554
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:40,050
force.

555
01:18:44,290 --> 01:18:49,310
The only issue that I have in this may be getting what Megan's pointing to really

556
01:18:49,310 --> 01:18:55,510
is that we're working our way through the first phase, but as you know the building permits

557
01:18:55,510 --> 01:19:02,430
don't call come all at once, we will be doing some kind of clip. And we may come in with a

558
01:19:02,430 --> 01:19:09,730
to family building that could come on phase, while phase one is going, but say there's only

559
01:19:09,730 --> 01:19:14,790
100 building permits for phase one, pull so far.

560
01:19:15,610 --> 01:19:21,370
And so if the discussion was that you wanted to make sure that the stream restoration

561
01:19:21,370 --> 01:19:28,710
was initiated prior to the completion of this phase, we're okay with that.

562
01:19:28,710 --> 01:19:32,910
And that's why we change the language, that's what we're looking for.

563
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:41,790
But if it's prior to completion of this phase, but you could...

564
01:19:43,290 --> 01:19:44,570
This phase doesn't finish.

565
01:19:45,330 --> 01:19:48,150
Yeah. That was environmental concern as well.

566
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:51,750
Was that the 350th permit might not be within phase one.

567
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:58,130
It could be in a subsequent phase and we were trying to tie it to the construction of phase one.

568
01:19:59,130 --> 01:20:01,210
And it's building permits, not you announced.

569
01:20:01,210 --> 01:20:09,670
Right, and it's environmental planning doesn't necessarily it's not very easy for us to track the number of building permits when when we receive a permit to review

570
01:20:09,670 --> 01:20:16,430
So would be doing the tracking in that it's okay, because normally it's easier to track the numbers

571
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:23,370
I know that from that it's in the private sector as well, so yeah, so so then we would leave it to environmental to track

572
01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:25,110
Well

573
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:31,190
So when environmental gets a permit to review, we would just look to make sure that conformance

574
01:20:31,190 --> 01:20:36,370
with all the conditions of approval have been met and I mean without a specific inquiry

575
01:20:36,370 --> 01:20:36,910
for me.

576
01:20:36,910 --> 01:20:40,270
I'm not sure how I would know what I'm going to make.

577
01:20:40,570 --> 01:20:40,990
All right.

578
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:51,020
Yeah, I'm talking with my client and you know, based on local code now, I would propose

579
01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:54,960
we stay with the 350th building permit.

580
01:20:55,020 --> 01:20:58,040
We might want to have a permit before permit.

581
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:00,920
So we came to the language.

582
01:21:01,580 --> 01:21:05,460
And then if we find that we have some kind of a issue,

583
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:08,180
we'll come back to the environmental planning and talk about it

584
01:21:08,180 --> 01:21:09,620
and they have to propose a revision.

585
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:15,280
But at this point, I think if we say 350th building permit,

586
01:21:15,780 --> 01:21:16,840
we'll try to work with that.

587
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,260
Can you hear the other language as in staff?

588
01:21:20,260 --> 01:21:24,700
And leave it as originally written, but adding that.

589
01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:26,120
And building before permanent.

590
01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:27,720
And I can't commission a Washington.

591
01:21:29,860 --> 01:21:33,960
So, by the way, I said, to leave for supply to the issue.

592
01:21:34,220 --> 01:21:36,600
What does same condition as a staff report

593
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,200
just adding building in front of permit?

594
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:39,840
OK.

595
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,220
It would be prior to the issuance of the 350 of building permit

596
01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:57,120
For any phase following this phase, DSP 13006, the stream restoration has approved on the technical storm order management plan, shall begin implementation and then continue.

597
01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:01,660
Okay.

598
01:22:17,210 --> 01:22:21,290
For any phase following this phase, so keep the original language complete.

599
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:23,190
Yes, yes, dammit.

600
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:28,920
Conditions.

601
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:30,480
Are you ready?

602
01:22:30,860 --> 01:22:31,140
Yes.

603
01:22:31,140 --> 01:22:39,300
Thank you. Conditions that we can are fine with the applicant. Condition 11. Again, we have a little bit of clarification.

604
01:22:41,940 --> 01:22:55,500
I've added in, I don't know if you're hearing this comment on other cases, but the access these mentioned shall be approved by department of permits and inspections and enforcement or the department of public works as applicable.

605
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:06,180
And then to make this condition, which deals with the same subject matter as condition

606
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:07,880
3,

607
01:23:09,940 --> 01:23:16,100
I didn't want conflicting triggers, and so I copied the language from condition 3, that

608
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:20,280
says prior to the issue, and so the 150, you can use an occupancy permit

609
01:23:22,330 --> 01:23:23,710
so that it occurs

610
01:23:23,710 --> 01:23:24,290
That's the commission.

611
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:27,050
Staff agreed.

612
01:23:28,190 --> 01:23:28,430
Okay.

613
01:23:29,210 --> 01:23:30,250
So back to end.

614
01:23:30,270 --> 01:23:31,270
Back to end.

615
01:23:31,390 --> 01:23:31,770
Okay.

616
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:32,390
Page 36.

617
01:23:35,870 --> 01:23:39,110
This is just, you know, this is a design discussion.

618
01:23:39,470 --> 01:23:41,590
It's somewhat subjective, of course.

619
01:23:43,090 --> 01:23:46,590
We are within the limits of the approved units.

620
01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:49,290
We didn't try to increase the number of units allowed.

621
01:23:49,790 --> 01:23:51,730
We prefer not to lose the three units.

622
01:23:51,730 --> 01:23:56,410
and we think we've come up with a design alternative that addresses the concern.

623
01:23:57,810 --> 01:24:04,250
Henry, I'm wondering if you could go back to all of the exhibits that shows that block.

624
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,340
The one with the highlight.

625
01:24:10,620 --> 01:24:12,340
The first one, yeah, the green highlight.

626
01:24:12,660 --> 01:24:14,060
I'm going to start with.

627
01:24:17,670 --> 01:24:18,670
Thank you.

628
01:24:18,850 --> 01:24:22,090
When we first looked at this issue, when we submitted the plan,

629
01:24:22,090 --> 01:24:30,530
And we had, I believe, for parking spaces in that triangle that's in the green area because

630
01:24:30,530 --> 01:24:35,510
one of the things we've been working with staff on is the balance of having some extra

631
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:36,370
parking as well.

632
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:44,590
So then this discussion came up, and I think you can appreciate kind of the exercise that

633
01:24:44,590 --> 01:24:51,690
goes on here, which is to try to make every block clear so that a front doesn't face

634
01:24:51,690 --> 01:24:59,150
I think we did a very good job of that except for this one location so it becomes an issue right here.

635
01:24:59,430 --> 01:25:03,570
The rest of the site plan for phase one is fully compliant with that.

636
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:09,130
So what we did at that time was eliminate the parking spaces there.

637
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:11,930
We did manage to put some in and some other locations.

638
01:25:12,490 --> 01:25:14,910
I don't think we ended up with a net loss of parking.

639
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:16,870
We're above the code requirement.

640
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:26,190
And then we added a landscaping and amenity proposal for that little block to give some

641
01:25:26,190 --> 01:25:32,410
screening from the units there in the front space, the backs, and then we put a fence

642
01:25:32,410 --> 01:25:37,310
along the back of that stick of townhouses where the rear faces the front, and Henry's

643
01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:40,890
going to bring up the rendered plans.

644
01:25:40,890 --> 01:25:49,490
So that you can see there is the idea is to use a trellis type pergola type structure

645
01:25:49,490 --> 01:25:55,170
that is not a solid wall, which would not look attractive either, but provides some kind

646
01:25:55,170 --> 01:26:02,030
of break-in addition and then you would fill that with plantings around it that would add additional

647
01:26:02,030 --> 01:26:02,570
screening.

648
01:26:03,530 --> 01:26:10,130
We think that that provides sufficient screening of what I think is the most ownerous or

649
01:26:10,130 --> 01:26:13,070
concerning part of a front-to-rear, which is looking at someone.

650
01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:17,450
What, I mean, some of that you have passed, or Vengeance is there to, or no?

651
01:26:18,910 --> 01:26:25,150
We have the potential to put a sitting area in under the track, so

652
01:26:28,540 --> 01:26:29,400
that's pretty much to

653
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:29,920
scale.

654
01:26:32,030 --> 01:26:32,570
What does that mean?

655
01:26:32,570 --> 01:26:34,530
That's just the illustration purpose.

656
01:26:35,150 --> 01:26:35,310
That's not.

657
01:26:35,970 --> 01:26:40,890
But part of the certification we would need to give a whole layout of that design.

658
01:26:40,890 --> 01:26:47,330
We think that that provides the opportunity to fully screen that view while retaining the units.

659
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:53,870
We also think retaining those units keeps the balance of that block in terms of the urban layout.

660
01:26:54,050 --> 01:27:08,110
And remember, this is a intentionally very urban design without requirement or design intention of having pocket parks or full parks within each subblock.

661
01:27:08,110 --> 01:27:13,590
If you go back and read to the overall rendered site plan.

662
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:22,730
How wide is the street from the front of the one house to the back of the other house?

663
01:27:23,310 --> 01:27:24,290
We know that there's this.

664
01:27:24,530 --> 01:27:26,410
I'm getting some help on that commissioner right now.

665
01:27:26,570 --> 01:27:28,550
But keep in mind this is an interior courtyard.

666
01:27:28,670 --> 01:27:34,010
These are private streets, so they're much narrower than the normal public street right away.

667
01:27:34,490 --> 01:27:40,650
It's 22 from the back of the one house to the front of the other house.

668
01:27:40,650 --> 01:27:47,810
out of the house, a little bit of distance, but the street, there's the all-ment-22, the

669
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:48,530
whiff of the street.

670
01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:49,250
Yeah, the tone.

671
01:27:49,670 --> 01:27:53,790
Can you keep in mind, as I said, this is an internal circulation street, so essentially

672
01:27:53,790 --> 01:27:59,910
this is being used by residents not by cut-through traffic and throw-pair-type traffic.

673
01:28:00,730 --> 01:28:10,430
We think it's an understated internal focus area with landscaping and hard-scaping added

674
01:28:10,430 --> 01:28:15,370
that will achieve the screening and then the dance feature will help that as well.

675
01:28:17,260 --> 01:28:24,540
What are we looking at right here, the four front, the two units are just trying to orient.

676
01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:32,620
This is the rear yard, this defense, the rear yard of the unit, looking to the front

677
01:28:32,620 --> 01:28:34,520
of the other building across the street.

678
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:39,660
Okay, but the four front would do those represent the three units in discussion that we're

679
01:28:40,620 --> 01:28:46,260
Now, this is just a illustrating on a view of the probably one unit.

680
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:48,900
One, three, two, one, the back door.

681
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:50,940
Is that the back yard of those three units?

682
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:51,440
Yes, that's an image.

683
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,480
Yeah, one of the units.

684
01:28:54,660 --> 01:28:59,180
Commissioner Girauder, I'm told that the distance building the building is 45 to 50 feet.

685
01:28:59,280 --> 01:28:59,920
Is that what?

686
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:01,620
45 to 50 feet.

687
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:02,200
A little more.

688
01:29:02,740 --> 01:29:05,780
This wall is about five feet.

689
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:16,360
But clarification from building to building not building back yard building to building to building to building to building

690
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:28,340
And keep in mind again, I'm going to keep stressing this over and over this is an urban setting not a suburban townhouse community

691
01:29:28,340 --> 01:29:36,080
And this is the only one location in frankly if Henry, if you could go back to the overall site plan

692
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:37,560
Well, hold on a second.

693
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,780
Commissioner Shelby has a question I just want to make sure it doesn't matter for taking to that.

694
01:29:42,220 --> 01:29:50,440
Yeah, just like a 2.1 is I'm assuming there's no option for an elevated back deck on at least these town homes.

695
01:30:03,310 --> 01:30:11,310
Mr. Shelter, your point, my client is saying yes to these particular units if we wanted to add a prohibition to that, they would be amenable to that.

696
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:17,070
It's just, I think, for private CD, the proximity of the building.

697
01:30:17,330 --> 01:30:23,450
So that was just the question because it does change, I think, the views that we were looking at in this picture.

698
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:28,170
The second thing is the other slide that you had with the green triangle on it.

699
01:30:28,170 --> 01:30:33,450
I was curious if the layout similar to the southwest area of the circle,

700
01:30:33,810 --> 01:30:39,970
where there's a similar triangle to the left and bottom there,

701
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:43,930
if that type of layout, it looks like it's a little narrower,

702
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:47,030
but it looks like at least on the left,

703
01:30:47,670 --> 01:30:50,730
the southwest side where you have that similar configuration,

704
01:30:51,690 --> 01:30:53,990
at least there's not a situation where the town does

705
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:59,690
of looking front to rear on each other, so I don't know if there was space to consider.

706
01:31:01,730 --> 01:31:09,790
As I was saying, we've achieved the front in pretty much the entire site and just the

707
01:31:09,790 --> 01:31:14,010
way this particular block laid out, we ended up with this problem because of the internal

708
01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:17,790
street network. So I don't think there's additional space.

709
01:31:20,510 --> 01:31:23,550
It would not appear the same

710
01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:29,590
configuration we'd have to move around the block some within the outside envelope.

711
01:31:30,670 --> 01:31:37,870
If you look at this green area and that is a circle or marked off, to me, if you take

712
01:31:37,870 --> 01:31:43,730
off this green block three units, you do end up with a bigger green space there, but I do

713
01:31:43,730 --> 01:31:49,650
think it takes away the symmetry of that internal block because you can see those units face

714
01:31:49,650 --> 01:31:59,170
the other block and they match the internal street where they face their fronts face the

715
01:31:59,170 --> 01:32:06,610
other fronts and taking units away there creates an imbalance in the symmetrical design of

716
01:32:06,610 --> 01:32:13,030
this internal block. We believe that the landscape and screening that we're proposing adequately

717
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:20,830
addresses the issue, obviously my client would prefer not to lose those units and we think

718
01:32:20,830 --> 01:32:25,970
with the screening efforts that we can do and will be provided in more detail with

719
01:32:25,970 --> 01:32:33,250
certification that we can provide clear screening or no-pate screening of the views from

720
01:32:34,690 --> 01:32:40,870
that particular area and we have no problem with Commissioner Shows suggestion as to the

721
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:41,190
decks.

722
01:32:42,210 --> 01:32:51,190
So, and then all that would be the prior justification and you could really step it up to make it really, really nice landscaping.

723
01:32:53,170 --> 01:32:53,310
Okay.

724
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:54,570
I see you're fine.

725
01:32:54,850 --> 01:32:55,110
Not again.

726
01:32:55,710 --> 01:32:56,150
Okay.

727
01:32:56,270 --> 01:32:57,050
We say yes.

728
01:32:57,310 --> 01:32:57,790
Okay.

729
01:33:01,150 --> 01:33:01,510
Okay.

730
01:33:02,130 --> 01:33:02,430
Okay.

731
01:33:02,910 --> 01:33:06,230
So, Susan, I would, okay.

732
01:33:06,270 --> 01:33:11,170
So, that's something we'll have to just, unless there are more questions on this issue, that's just something we'll have to decide.

733
01:33:13,190 --> 01:33:25,870
So, other than that, and you've explained your rationale, you're, we're all in agreement on the revisions to the conditions as pro-the-vert, and we have stated it.

734
01:33:25,950 --> 01:33:26,810
That's correct, Badger.

735
01:33:26,930 --> 01:33:28,730
As we discussed today, we're in agreement.

736
01:33:30,810 --> 01:33:35,630
If there's not going to be a chance for me to have further comment on, and...

737
01:33:35,630 --> 01:33:40,150
Well, there may be, I just want to see, you have a number of people signed up, but it doesn't look like everybody wants to.

738
01:33:40,150 --> 01:33:46,430
All of the folks that are signed up as proponents for the applicant are here for a resource.

739
01:33:47,050 --> 01:33:48,130
No, wait a minute.

740
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:49,550
Okay.

741
01:33:49,570 --> 01:33:51,350
No, but she doesn't want to speak today.

742
01:33:52,150 --> 01:33:53,190
All right, Ms. Camp.

743
01:33:54,430 --> 01:33:56,210
She's contented back over the room today.

744
01:33:57,010 --> 01:33:57,330
Okay.

745
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:59,550
And Mr. Bruce as well.

746
01:33:59,990 --> 01:34:01,030
The back of the room today.

747
01:34:02,610 --> 01:34:04,490
Was there anyone who was to speak on this event?

748
01:34:04,610 --> 01:34:07,350
I have a number of people signed up, but no one else was to speak.

749
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:10,390
Anything else you want to add in this description?

750
01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:12,010
I'm sorry if we have a question.

751
01:34:12,770 --> 01:34:13,610
Thank you.

752
01:34:13,730 --> 01:34:15,710
I have a couple more questions.

753
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:23,470
So, mainly with regards to sort of this staging or the phasing within phase one itself,

754
01:34:23,690 --> 01:34:28,470
I think there was a few places in the staff report where it said more information

755
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:30,970
before coming in that respect or then requested.

756
01:34:30,970 --> 01:34:35,150
But I think I saw her sort of the plan with respect

757
01:34:35,150 --> 01:34:36,950
to the recreation facilities.

758
01:34:37,810 --> 01:34:40,090
I may have missed it, but I was also curious

759
01:34:40,090 --> 01:34:45,750
as to sidewalks and landscaping and how those will be

760
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:48,010
either completed with each phase.

761
01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:53,030
And the related question I had if there was any connectivity issues

762
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:59,310
or the sidewalks in between residents who want to travel

763
01:34:59,310 --> 01:35:05,110
from this phase being complete to somewhere else if there's a bus stop or transit center, and

764
01:35:05,110 --> 01:35:11,090
if there's connections made irrespective of other phases being started later.

765
01:35:13,410 --> 01:35:16,530
Let me try to address that and if I miss anything, pull me back.

766
01:35:17,550 --> 01:35:22,090
But first of all, this is the main road that runs through there is the master plan, the extension

767
01:35:22,090 --> 01:35:27,190
of what we're calling Woodyard Extended, will come from the new interchange that we'll be

768
01:35:27,190 --> 01:35:30,110
doing after the state completes their bridge work.

769
01:35:30,970 --> 01:35:37,410
There are bike lanes and sidewalks on all of that street.

770
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:40,670
There are sidewalks within the phases.

771
01:35:41,090 --> 01:35:47,070
I mean, within the blocks to assist pedestrian circulation.

772
01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:49,990
There were a couple of areas where we didn't have sidewalks

773
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:53,890
and staff worked with us to make sure we did.

774
01:35:53,890 --> 01:35:58,350
And so we have pedestrian circulation throughout.

775
01:35:58,790 --> 01:36:01,990
This phase will be fully integrated into the other phases

776
01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:05,490
and the sidewalks will connect with the other phases.

777
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:08,470
And ultimately, the town center will be fully connected

778
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:11,270
with the pedestrian and cycling network.

779
01:36:12,410 --> 01:36:14,390
Obviously, it's going to come over time.

780
01:36:14,970 --> 01:36:19,070
This road, the main road, will extend further to the north

781
01:36:19,070 --> 01:36:21,430
and ultimately into the Smith Farm property.

782
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:26,310
And it's part of the major circulation for the project.

783
01:36:26,730 --> 01:36:29,130
So when they're matching up with us,

784
01:36:29,130 --> 01:36:31,990
this road will be carried forward in that area.

785
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:35,570
So the short answer is yes, that the vision

786
01:36:35,570 --> 01:36:39,310
for connectivity is there with it in each phase.

787
01:36:40,010 --> 01:36:42,710
Of course it will take time to evolve.

788
01:36:43,470 --> 01:36:47,870
We do see this as a continuous phase within phase one,

789
01:36:47,870 --> 01:36:56,630
depending on the builder's sales pace and scheduling of units as they come online.

790
01:36:57,390 --> 01:37:06,510
But the road in the circle within the road will be put on grade in constructed early on in the first days, before and resonance.

791
01:37:09,530 --> 01:37:12,850
And the landscape being is similarly-

792
01:37:12,850 --> 01:37:18,730
The landscaping within each sub quadrant would be done with that sub quadrant as their

793
01:37:19,690 --> 01:37:25,190
commenced and completed obviously construction sequencing impacts that you don't want

794
01:37:25,190 --> 01:37:29,950
to put something in and have to rip it out, but it would be done with an each quadrant

795
01:37:29,950 --> 01:37:30,770
of the days.

796
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:46,180
This one more question, I appreciate the information that was shared on some of the environmental features, I think that discussion was on pages 14, 15 of the staff report, paragraph 17.

797
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:59,740
There was some statement that alluded to different features that would be encouraged, and I sort of curious what we're going to, which of those might be offered, which ones were perhaps contractive for with the builders,

798
01:37:59,740 --> 01:38:07,940
or were optional features and you know what might be included throughout so I don't know if

799
01:38:07,940 --> 01:38:13,760
that's determined at this stage but I was wondering if you could maybe share some more information

800
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,120
in that respect. I think that's sort of top.

801
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:19,560
Are you talking about the efficiency in green techniques?

802
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:20,460
Yes, exactly.

803
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:33,060
Yeah, essentially the internal unit, the windows and the insulation, the type of efficiencies

804
01:38:33,060 --> 01:38:39,040
within construction of units, is being offered by virtually all the builders nowadays,

805
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:45,340
but it is more importantly my understanding within your own building code now, a minimum

806
01:38:45,340 --> 01:38:48,860
level get you to these points as far as the e-level at the

807
01:38:48,860 --> 01:38:55,620
click class and that kind of thing. And the builders are providing the energy

808
01:38:55,620 --> 01:39:02,520
star appliances. I don't have that. We don't have each builder committed

809
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:07,360
under contract, but we expect that each of them will have a building

810
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:12,600
program that will include energy star or equivalent type efficiency of

811
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:18,720
the HVAC and water units and water heaters and that kind of appliance treatment as well.

812
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:25,530
And we do have a separate submission on the green building, something that was done with

813
01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:27,870
the special purpose safety as well, I think.

814
01:39:34,890 --> 01:39:36,350
Any other questions at this juncture?

815
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:43,020
Okay.

816
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:44,740
Is there a motion?

817
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:56,120
That I'm sure like to move that we adopt the findings of staff and approve DSP-13006, a TCP

818
01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:09,440
1-029-12-0202 along with the associated conditions as outlined in applicant exhibit number

819
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:12,960
1 subject to the following changes.

820
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:22,740
First I'd like to ensure that we add the additional finding as proper by the applicant

821
01:40:22,740 --> 01:40:29,400
and formally read into the record, and it would be the second portion of the language,

822
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:36,600
which was outlined in Condition 1H3 related to woodland conservation.

823
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:44,440
The second change would be to Condition 1N.

824
01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:53,000
It shall condition one inch, shall be as outlined in applicant exhibit number one, however

825
01:40:53,000 --> 01:41:01,160
language should be added, which prohibits second-level decking on units 54, 55 and 56

826
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:13,920
block G, condition number 5 shall read as follows, prior to issuance of the 350th building

827
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:24,700
permit for any phase following this phase parent DSP 13006 closed parent. The stream restoration

828
01:41:24,700 --> 01:41:34,300
has approved on the technical storm war management plan. Parent SD 3989-2012 closed parent

829
01:41:34,300 --> 01:41:41,500
shall begin implementation. Proof of implementation shall be submitted to the Maryland National

830
01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:46,000
capital park and planning commission and the form of notification via the Department of

831
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:51,620
permitting inspections and enforcement, period, the strain restoration shall be completed

832
01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:56,720
prior to issuance of any permit for any phase subsequent to the implementation, proof

833
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:04,360
of completion shall be submitted to MNCPPC in the form of notification from DPIE and

834
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:10,960
the Asville stormwater stormwater management technical plans and all other conditions

835
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,180
is outlined in applicant exhibit number one.

836
01:42:14,300 --> 01:42:15,000
Have a motion.

837
01:42:15,620 --> 01:42:16,540
Is there a second?

838
01:42:16,820 --> 01:42:17,780
Thank you.

839
01:42:17,780 --> 01:42:18,600
Is there a discussion?

840
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:20,120
All in favor.

841
01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:22,140
Opposed.

842
01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:23,680
The eyes have it.

843
01:42:23,860 --> 01:42:24,260
Thank you.

844
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:24,760
Thank you.

845
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:27,160
That included the TCP2, right?

846
01:42:27,780 --> 01:42:28,140
Say that.

847
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:28,900
TCP2.

848
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:29,960
Yes.

849
01:42:30,180 --> 01:42:30,520
Yes.

850
01:42:30,580 --> 01:42:31,020
I did.

851
01:42:31,620 --> 01:42:32,460
Thank you.

852
01:42:32,580 --> 01:42:33,180
Thank you.

853
01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:36,720
Um.

854
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:41,360
Eight.

855
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:48,780
What is

856
01:43:10,900 --> 01:43:14,740
it when someone gets a close to them that makes it?

857
01:43:15,260 --> 01:43:15,640
I don't know.

858
01:43:24,540 --> 01:43:25,680
I don't know.

859
01:43:25,860 --> 01:43:26,360
I don't know.

860
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:27,000
I don't know.

861
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:28,660
I don't know.

862
01:43:29,860 --> 01:43:30,200
Um.

863
01:43:30,660 --> 01:43:31,060
Do this.

864
01:43:45,020 --> 01:43:45,180
No.

865
01:44:23,900 --> 01:44:24,000
Um.

866
01:44:24,260 --> 01:44:24,340
Please.

867
01:44:24,620 --> 01:44:26,040
How are you doing?

868
01:44:26,860 --> 01:44:27,140
Okay.

869
01:44:28,620 --> 01:44:28,900
Okay.

870
01:44:29,860 --> 01:44:30,300
I.

871
01:44:30,300 --> 01:44:30,440
I.

872
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:31,440
Good

873
01:44:43,660 --> 01:44:45,540
morning.

874
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:52,860
that I'm sure most of the planning board happy Halloween to everyone today for

875
01:44:57,570 --> 01:44:58,610
the record my name is

876
01:44:58,610 --> 01:44:59,970
Mika Fields and with the urban design.

877
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:26,320
This case is item number 8, DSP 99044-07, and Georgia's Plaza Chick-fil-A. The request is for the approval of a 5,000-30 square foot Chick-fil-A restaurant. This application also request an amendment of the table of uses of the 1998 approved Transit District Development Plan for the Prencherous Plaza Transit District Overlay Zone.

878
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,020
to permit fast food, a fast food restaurant with a driver.

879
01:45:31,700 --> 01:45:33,680
Staff is recommending approval with conditions.

880
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:39,840
The site is located within planning area 68 in Council District 2,

881
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:41,060
in the city of Highett'sville.

882
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:48,360
The area of the detailed site plan is 51.03 acres,

883
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,600
and includes the entirety of Quinn Georgia's Plaza.

884
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:53,460
This is located on the north side of East West Highway.

885
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:58,520
This area centered around Quinn Georgia's Plaza's Metro is a proposed

886
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:01,500
priority investment district in the general plan update.

887
01:46:05,310 --> 01:46:06,610
The site's located within the commercial

888
01:46:06,610 --> 01:46:13,170
shopping center or CSC zone. There is a mix of zoning in the area, including multi-family zoning

889
01:46:13,170 --> 01:46:20,170
in brown and also mixed-use zoning, largely in purple. There's also a small area of office

890
01:46:20,170 --> 01:46:22,450
along the western property boundary.

891
01:46:28,420 --> 01:46:31,380
The site's located within the transit district overlay zone.

892
01:46:31,380 --> 01:46:34,680
That's the hashing that you're seeing here of TDOZ.

893
01:46:34,820 --> 01:46:37,940
The site is identified, is within that 1998 approved

894
01:46:37,940 --> 01:46:40,600
Trans-Editure Development Plan for the French George's Plaza

895
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,060
Trans-Editure Overlay Zone that's a TDDP.

896
01:46:44,580 --> 01:46:47,140
The TDDP or Trans-Editure Development Plan

897
01:46:47,140 --> 01:46:50,780
it only permits fast food restaurants in this area

898
01:46:50,780 --> 01:46:55,780
only when holy and closed in a shopping mall

899
01:46:55,780 --> 01:46:58,380
or Department of Riding your drug store

900
01:46:58,380 --> 01:47:06,340
within an office building, within a hotel, or accessory to, and as a part of, and allowed recreational facility.

901
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:14,280
The subject proposal is for fast food restaurant outside of the mall structure, and is not fit with any of these categories.

902
01:47:14,980 --> 01:47:18,280
Therefore, the use is prohibited by the transit district development plan.

903
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:25,820
Because of the requests, which includes an amendment of this permitted use list, the district council has mandatory review of this project,

904
01:47:25,820 --> 01:47:29,860
and the planning board provides a recommendation to this for Council on the use.

905
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:36,380
This is the newest area we have for the area, which was taken a few years ago.

906
01:47:36,900 --> 01:47:39,400
It doesn't show some of the newer developments in the area.

907
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,440
Of course, here you have the mallet, Prince Georges.

908
01:47:42,900 --> 01:47:48,400
There's some newer developments that aren't shown on the slide, particularly along the Velcrest,

909
01:47:49,660 --> 01:47:53,060
along to Leo Terrace, excuse me, where you have Velcrest Plaza,

910
01:47:53,260 --> 01:47:54,980
multi-family development in this area.

911
01:47:54,980 --> 01:47:59,780
You can see the recently constructed post-project here.

912
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:07,820
The location of the proposed Chick-fil-A restaurant is along East West Highway in the southwestern corner of the site.

913
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:18,020
This slide generally shows the contours and natural features of the vicinity.

914
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:22,240
There are no significant natural features of the boundaries of the shopping center.

915
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:27,480
The original and closed shopping mall was developed on the site in the late 1950s,

916
01:48:27,480 --> 01:48:33,180
prior to a number of environmental and school mortemannagement regulations, the TDP emphasizes

917
01:48:33,180 --> 01:48:37,320
the importance of some mortemannagement within the area for the long-term protection

918
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:41,140
of this inacastia River of Oterrain, H.B.S.N.

919
01:48:41,980 --> 01:48:46,800
Next slide shows the master plan right of ways, there's no right of way issues associated

920
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:47,760
with this area.

921
01:48:49,380 --> 01:48:53,460
Here's a bird's sight image that gives a little bit better over you of the area.

922
01:48:54,520 --> 01:49:00,500
Again, that Chick-fil-A restaurant pad that's shown here at the center of this image in the red.

923
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:07,040
Proposal is approximately one quarter miles distance to the metro station.

924
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:13,740
There are existing restaurant pad sites within the front of the mallet crunchages.

925
01:49:14,420 --> 01:49:18,920
Those are presenting restaurants, including an outback steakhouse.

926
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:32,600
that is, here we go. Here is the Outback State Calcocation. There is also an Olive Garden that's been constructed, but there are no existing free standing fast food restaurants within this area.

927
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:47,440
On April 25th of this year, the planning board moved to approve a McDonald's proposal located on the existing parking lot in front of there's a Home Depot in this location, just off this slide.

928
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:56,720
That approval, back in April, the planning board could not find that that McDonald's proposal

929
01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:01,680
and in particular, it's drive through met the purposes of the TDOZ zone.

930
01:50:02,220 --> 01:50:05,780
The drive through service could not be found to promote the use of transit facilities

931
01:50:05,780 --> 01:50:11,000
or create a desirable or renewable relationship to enhance the character of the area.

932
01:50:11,860 --> 01:50:16,340
While the planning board did move to approve that McDonald's shown here, cost postpart,

933
01:50:16,340 --> 01:50:21,540
The approval didn't include a condition to eliminate the drive for your service from the proposal.

934
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:25,680
A staff recommends that the planning board takes a similar position here today.

935
01:50:25,940 --> 01:50:37,740
The Chick-fil-A is even closer to the Metro than the McDonald's and staff continues to believe that the redevelopment of the Plaza should continue without auto-oriented uses.

936
01:50:37,740 --> 01:50:38,580
This

937
01:50:42,780 --> 01:50:47,520
slide shows illustrates the proposal for the Chick-fil-A.

938
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:53,440
The 5,000 30-square building is, again, in that southwestern corner of that parking lot.

939
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:59,580
Primary building entrances are proposed directly from the sidewalk along East West Highway.

940
01:50:59,940 --> 01:51:04,380
There's also a primary entrance from the existing parking lot along the north side of the building.

941
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:13,320
This site plan shows this kind of red check here and also along the front, those shows specialty

942
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:18,520
paving areas along the front and the side of the building, where outdoor seating and

943
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:24,620
there's also a trellis that's proposed in this area. Additional details of these features

944
01:51:24,620 --> 01:51:31,340
should be included on the site plan prior to final approval. A double drive through lane is

945
01:51:31,340 --> 01:51:33,360
post on the east side of the building.

946
01:51:34,540 --> 01:51:37,200
With the single pickup window in this location,

947
01:51:39,610 --> 01:51:41,990
the double queuing lanes, they are directly

948
01:51:41,990 --> 01:51:46,690
adjacent to with considered a pedestrian zone along east to west highway.

949
01:51:47,150 --> 01:51:52,110
It's separated by that pedestrian zone by a low brick wall, it's generally in this location

950
01:51:52,110 --> 01:51:52,910
here.

951
01:51:53,290 --> 01:51:54,090
Showed in gray.

952
01:51:56,110 --> 01:52:01,250
While that low wall would continue to exist, there are some impacts such as vehicle exhaust

953
01:52:01,250 --> 01:52:01,830
and lighting.

954
01:52:01,830 --> 01:52:06,010
associated with the drive-through that would be likely if approved.

955
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:11,790
Also, if the drive-through were eliminated, additional green area could be provided.

956
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:19,110
Also, the building could be redesigned to incorporate screen walls for dumpsters and also loading,

957
01:52:19,550 --> 01:52:23,330
which is a building form that's more consistent with transit-oriented development.

958
01:52:23,770 --> 01:52:28,910
Currently, you have loading and dumpsters within that parking lot separated from the building.

959
01:52:28,910 --> 01:52:29,730
These

960
01:52:32,220 --> 01:52:37,620
next few slides should propose building elevations, which exhibit a more contemporary look for the Chick-fil-A.

961
01:52:38,260 --> 01:52:43,960
The top elevation here, that is the north side of the building that's facing the mall.

962
01:52:44,620 --> 01:52:48,100
And the bottom elevation is the south side facing east-west highway.

963
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:53,660
This building will feature a series of flat roofs at various heights to create visual interest.

964
01:52:53,660 --> 01:52:59,400
beige colored brick will be used as the primary building material and steel and wood composite

965
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:02,920
serve as accent materials on these building elevations

966
01:53:05,900 --> 01:53:08,480
Here are the side elevations

967
01:53:10,690 --> 01:53:15,010
This side here is particularly it shows that drive through elevation

968
01:53:21,580 --> 01:53:23,920
So just to point out a few things here

969
01:53:24,620 --> 01:53:30,400
That wood panel and the wood composite material you can see where that is generally proposed here

970
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,760
That's also along the front facing east west highway

971
01:53:35,900 --> 01:53:40,900
staff has received a material sample with the proposed materials we do have it here today.

972
01:53:41,860 --> 01:53:44,320
I would like to see that material sample board.

973
01:53:45,900 --> 01:53:49,940
And staff does have a few concerns about the wood-like composite material.

974
01:53:50,580 --> 01:53:55,820
We're unsure whether the final product with these walls that material will achieve a

975
01:53:55,820 --> 01:54:00,920
appearance of quality and durability and staff recommends additional information regarding the

976
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:03,060
final appearances of these wood wall features.

977
01:54:03,060 --> 01:54:08,920
The applicant also provided prospective images of a proposal.

978
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:13,560
This is the view along East West Highway here.

979
01:54:14,340 --> 01:54:19,040
The staff report does recommend a few modifications to this particular elevation.

980
01:54:20,060 --> 01:54:27,420
Particularly the windows along this side of the elevation seem a bit small compared to the other elevations.

981
01:54:27,420 --> 01:54:37,300
And staff requested that some larger windows should be incorporated to give the building a bit more visual prominence

982
01:54:37,300 --> 01:54:40,260
that's warranted for that location along East As Highway.

983
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:46,660
And this image here shows the drive through location.

984
01:54:47,620 --> 01:54:51,440
You can also see sort of the outdoor seating areas in this perspective image.

985
01:54:51,860 --> 01:54:58,760
Some of the window features incorporates incorporating green screens where you can have a blind climbing onto this screen

986
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:00,780
you can see that, particularly in this slide.

987
01:55:03,140 --> 01:55:06,960
The next few slides are of the original architectural submittal.

988
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:12,780
This proposed design is a bit different from Chick-fil-A standard architectural model, which

989
01:55:12,780 --> 01:55:14,460
many of us have seen throughout the county.

990
01:55:15,380 --> 01:55:24,340
It's a more traditional, a two-tone red brick building with tower features here and there,

991
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:24,880
specifically.

992
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:34,800
While staff supports the proposed design and front-of-view tier today, we do request some additional

993
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:41,700
architectural detailing on the proposed model to provide a bit more visual interest while still

994
01:55:41,700 --> 01:55:45,700
maintaining and keeping with a different architectural style that's proposed.

995
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:50,820
And overall, the staff does support the architecture, which is a less franchise image for Chick-fil-A.

996
01:55:50,820 --> 01:55:51,640
In

997
01:55:58,740 --> 01:56:03,360
closing, if approved with conditions, including a condition to remove the drive through service,

998
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:09,100
proposal will meet the requirements of the zoning ordinance, previous approvals, and requirements

999
01:56:09,100 --> 01:56:13,240
for approving a site plan within the transit district overlays zone.

1000
01:56:13,660 --> 01:56:27,900
Staff would also like to note that the site plan, it does need the requirements of the 2010

1001
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:35,420
that planning board, so with that, the Resign section recommends the planning board adopt the

1002
01:56:35,420 --> 01:56:42,820
findings, and if you're a detailed site plan, DSP 99044-07 that subject to two multi-part

1003
01:56:42,820 --> 01:56:48,600
conditions on pages 20 and 21 of the staff report, and staff would like to include one

1004
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:54,840
correction of the condition into the record. On page 21,

1005
01:56:58,690 --> 01:57:01,250
condition 102 requests that the applicant

1006
01:57:01,250 --> 01:57:06,030
include some additional buyer retention measures in these stormwater management design.

1007
01:57:06,690 --> 01:57:14,250
And if you look at the last sentence in condition one, oh, on page 21, the word deficient

1008
01:57:14,250 --> 01:57:21,810
sole volume is used that was intended to be sufficient, sufficient, you like sufficient

1009
01:57:21,810 --> 01:57:23,750
soil volume, not sufficient.

1010
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:25,850
Okay.

1011
01:57:26,210 --> 01:57:28,410
And with that, this concludes my presentation.

1012
01:57:28,590 --> 01:57:28,910
Thank you.

1013
01:57:31,250 --> 01:57:31,830
Okay.

1014
01:57:31,830 --> 01:57:35,110
Yeah, there are any questions in the field at this time.

1015
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:36,350
Okay, Mr. Schof.

1016
01:57:36,910 --> 01:57:37,570
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1017
01:57:38,430 --> 01:57:43,890
This field just one question if the board doesn't recommend

1018
01:57:43,890 --> 01:57:47,930
to counsel that there's a drive through it.

1019
01:57:49,050 --> 01:57:53,150
Does there a possibility to shift the pad side a little bit

1020
01:57:53,150 --> 01:57:56,630
north and east to allow for greater outdoor seating

1021
01:57:58,590 --> 01:58:03,450
or maybe the applicant can also address whether this would be an interest to them.

1022
01:58:03,630 --> 01:58:09,350
But some possibility of that nature or even a walk-up window is opposed to a drive through.

1023
01:58:10,710 --> 01:58:12,830
I think the board could certainly recommend that.

1024
01:58:13,290 --> 01:58:17,630
And I'd be willing to help rewrite conditions if you want to go in that direction.

1025
01:58:18,690 --> 01:58:19,310
Thank you.

1026
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,520
Other other questions in the skills of this time?

1027
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:24,360
Okay, Ms.

1028
01:58:33,110 --> 01:58:33,630
Silas.

1029
01:58:36,910 --> 01:58:37,410
You need a minute?

1030
01:58:37,410 --> 01:58:39,610
You can take a

1031
01:58:50,620 --> 01:58:54,720
good morning for the record, Dan Lynch, with MacMay Hosi here on behalf of Chick-fil-A.

1032
01:58:56,700 --> 01:59:09,660
We are here, obviously, in support of staff's recommendation, approval of this detailed site plan, but you have some requests, revisions to the post-conditions that this appeals to the board.

1033
01:59:10,340 --> 01:59:14,540
But just a little bit of background, and this feels that you bring up the aerial photo.

1034
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:16,220
Thank you.

1035
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:26,400
Some of you may or may not be familiar with the development history of pre-stores' plaza at least since 2000.

1036
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:34,760
I personally have been working on this site since, I think, the original Trans Edition development plan was adopted for pre-stores' plaza.

1037
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:40,800
And the redevelopment on pre-stores' plaza has pretty much moved from east to west on the property.

1038
01:59:43,020 --> 01:59:48,320
It's feels cookie through some of the other restaurants, paths I had to have, but the real

1039
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:53,080
history here started with the target that is in the far, that's correct, and this

1040
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:54,080
feels it's now circling.

1041
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:59,980
That was one of the first buildings or redevelopment that occurred under the TDP for print.

1042
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:14,620
And as part of that, we also developed, in front of the target, a pedestrian class that that kind of tied the target, the shopping center, into the pedestrian crossing between Prince George's Plaza and the metro station.

1043
02:00:15,300 --> 02:00:22,100
After that, we proceeded further west on the site and at the Outback State Council.

1044
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:27,840
And as part of that outback proposal, and as well as a pedestrian class, the whole screen

1045
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:32,120
wall along the entire Prince George's Plaza frontage was developed, and that was developed

1046
02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:36,400
in phase that says this was continued to move west on the site.

1047
02:00:37,740 --> 02:00:42,980
After the outback was developed, and we moved to the other side of the main entrance, and

1048
02:00:42,980 --> 02:00:48,820
came up with the olive garden, and that was the last major development on Prince George's

1049
02:00:48,820 --> 02:00:53,380
as a site in the probative past five to six years.

1050
02:00:54,780 --> 02:00:57,840
My client originally thought it's application

1051
02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:02,020
for the Chick-fil-A back in August of 2012.

1052
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:06,580
And since that time, I think we've been working with staff

1053
02:01:06,580 --> 02:01:10,540
to address some of the concerns that been raised by Ms. Fields today.

1054
02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:14,200
What we have, what you have before you in turn

1055
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:16,040
to the site plan and the architecture

1056
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:22,840
There is a direct result of the conversations we've had with staff and their concerns raised

1057
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:28,780
in terms of introducing issues and associated drive through to the principles of the site.

1058
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:37,260
For example, when we met with staff at SDRC on this, one of the concerns raised by them

1059
02:01:37,260 --> 02:01:43,240
was that we didn't have a sufficient direct access to the property from East West Highway.

1060
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:51,260
The host will see now that there is a entranceway on East West Highway, as well as special brick paving

1061
02:01:51,260 --> 02:01:58,200
pavers tying this used directly into the pedestrian walkway along East West Highway.

1062
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:06,580
They also were concerned about the fact that our original drive through a Q&A area wrapped around the building

1063
02:02:06,580 --> 02:02:10,400
as opposed to being located to the east of the building.

1064
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:15,260
They felt that that killing area kind of cut off the pedestrian acts to the site.

1065
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:25,840
So again, that based upon some of the staff's suggestions, we came up with what you'd see is this kind of creative location and layout of the killing and the drive through window.

1066
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:36,400
The final thing that we kind of introduced this and it was in conjunction with the staff's recommendation was, you know, this is supposed to be a very pedestrian oriented area.

1067
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:47,380
And so what we did is that we introduced the outdoor eating area that you'll see located there in the north west corner of the site.

1068
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:57,100
We located it there just kind of set it back a little bit from East West Highway, but we thought that was probably the most appropriate location for that.

1069
02:02:57,100 --> 02:03:10,320
So again, we're trying to make the site a little more vibrant and kind of like make a little more lively and kind of draw it into what's going on in the rest of the transit-ish peer-printures as well as that.

1070
02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:20,780
Now, while all that was going on and again, we're trying to do something a little different here, we also started exploring revisions to the architecture.

1071
02:03:20,780 --> 02:03:31,240
As part of the original approval, we were submitting the standard Chick-fil-A architecture that you'll see down in brandy wine,

1072
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:36,020
that you'll see at this regard, and that you'll also see at Bowie and District Heights.

1073
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:45,100
It was your standard Chick-fil-A prototype pretty much which you'll see in this county as well as all the other jurisdictions surrounding to this Columbia.

1074
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:49,720
We tried to do something a little more different, a little more special with the architecture

1075
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:56,240
to kind of get away from that corporate image, and we came up with this design that we're

1076
02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:57,740
present to you here today.

1077
02:03:59,940 --> 02:04:05,360
And we feel that it really is kind of like the trajectory that Chick-la is going to be heading

1078
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:06,040
in the future.

1079
02:04:06,860 --> 02:04:10,000
We're probably going to start using this on other sites.

1080
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:14,340
There are also exploring using this on the sites of Virginia because they're very, very happy

1081
02:04:14,340 --> 02:04:17,120
about the direction that the architecture on this site came along.

1082
02:04:18,140 --> 02:04:21,540
A lot of the design here that you have before you

1083
02:04:21,540 --> 02:04:23,780
is kind of like, as I've been explained,

1084
02:04:24,020 --> 02:04:25,380
where it's explained to you on the architect

1085
02:04:25,380 --> 02:04:30,280
and by my client, is that Chick-Colay kind of considers itself

1086
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:32,860
to be one of the premier fast food restaurants.

1087
02:04:33,500 --> 02:04:35,880
And then one of you have ever visited one of the restaurants

1088
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:38,420
will know that, for instance, it's not supposed to be

1089
02:04:38,420 --> 02:04:41,680
table service, but if you're in a table waiting for your food,

1090
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:42,800
they'll be brought to you.

1091
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:45,080
They're also clean up the food after the leak.

1092
02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:47,640
Services, what Chick-fil-A is all about.

1093
02:04:47,740 --> 02:04:49,480
And you also considered the quality of food

1094
02:04:49,480 --> 02:04:50,620
to be very, very special.

1095
02:04:51,500 --> 02:04:53,880
So with that in mind, they decided that it was time

1096
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:57,520
to change the architecture to make it look less like a fast

1097
02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:58,140
with restaurant.

1098
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:02,820
You kind of bring it to a step between a fast food restaurant

1099
02:05:02,820 --> 02:05:04,540
and irregular sit-on restaurant.

1100
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:06,600
And that's the direction they tried to head

1101
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:07,380
with the architecture.

1102
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:10,920
And it really kind of is displayed

1103
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:12,840
in the materials being used.

1104
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:18,120
As pointed up on this field, there's really kind of like four primal materials being used

1105
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:19,260
in the architecture here.

1106
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:23,880
You have your brick, steel, the wood, and the glass.

1107
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:28,680
And they've all been tied together to kind of really make this building stand out.

1108
02:05:29,580 --> 02:05:35,080
The design itself, as opposed to what you see in the old Chick-fil-A, and you see a lot of the

1109
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:40,160
competitors, they look at these tower elements in their design where they put their logo.

1110
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:42,920
we've got away from that in this design,

1111
02:05:43,420 --> 02:05:45,920
we're basically using height and depth to create

1112
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:47,960
a little bit more visual interest.

1113
02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:51,780
Also, again, going back to the quality materials being used.

1114
02:05:52,620 --> 02:05:54,620
And also, the color of the building material,

1115
02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:57,300
a little more subtle than the red brick.

1116
02:05:57,680 --> 02:06:00,200
I'm using that subtle color in the building

1117
02:06:00,200 --> 02:06:04,120
that we're able to let the Chick-fil-A signs stand out

1118
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:05,520
without being overwhelming.

1119
02:06:06,660 --> 02:06:10,180
The use of fringes is the black in the steel

1120
02:06:10,180 --> 02:06:15,040
in the Brown and the Woods kind of helps distinguish elements of the building here.

1121
02:06:15,820 --> 02:06:19,140
So they really think that this is a very high quality building.

1122
02:06:19,580 --> 02:06:26,080
They kind of reflect what they consider about the food that they serve as part of the population.

1123
02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:30,780
Quality food, quality design, and that's really what comes out in this Chick-fil-A.

1124
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:36,380
I think if you go across the country, you'll not see another Chick-fil-A that even matches what you have here today.

1125
02:06:36,380 --> 02:06:42,320
And they understand, I mean, this is a very important quarter for Princeton, which is

1126
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:45,040
counting for the transit district, and it's safe to come up with something that I was

1127
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:46,980
really going to stand out and make this very, very special.

1128
02:06:47,540 --> 02:06:49,020
And you'll see that to this design.

1129
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:54,120
I mean, even though the outdoor seating area, you'll see that the Pagola still Pagola around

1130
02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:56,940
the outdoor seating area, and I make it very, very attractive.

1131
02:06:57,640 --> 02:07:02,120
You'll see that carry through, and can you pull up more of the perspective that we're providing

1132
02:07:03,060 --> 02:07:04,360
to the next one?

1133
02:07:04,900 --> 02:07:05,320
That one.

1134
02:07:07,060 --> 02:07:09,320
This is already in the record right here.

1135
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:12,660
Yes, that material water is in the chemical case file.

1136
02:07:13,100 --> 02:07:13,460
That's correct.

1137
02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:14,160
You submitted that.

1138
02:07:15,260 --> 02:07:15,820
One question.

1139
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:17,880
What's your reference to the wood type material?

1140
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:19,180
You're talking about the composite?

1141
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:21,180
It's recycled.

1142
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:22,220
That's right.

1143
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:24,720
It's recycled by plastic bamboo.

1144
02:07:25,300 --> 02:07:25,540
No, no, no.

1145
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:26,460
It's actual wood.

1146
02:07:26,540 --> 02:07:27,260
It's just recycled.

1147
02:07:27,860 --> 02:07:30,320
But when you said we were using that in the design.

1148
02:07:31,460 --> 02:07:32,720
So it's recycled wood.

1149
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:33,700
That's correct, yes.

1150
02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:38,680
also it goes also towards this kind of the least certification which

1151
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:43,160
was recommended that's fine. So this kind of like a positive chair but it is

1152
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:48,460
made of wood. Strictly wood no no no no no recyclable plastic.

1153
02:07:54,620 --> 02:07:58,120
Hold up hold up hold up hold up hold up.

1154
02:07:58,180 --> 02:08:02,140
As indicated it is there's a resin the hole to material together but other than

1155
02:08:02,140 --> 02:08:06,040
a resin it is wood that's fine. And that's just so you understand I had no problem

1156
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:09,140
answering. We just want to make sure it's since it's been recorded that it's on the map.

1157
02:08:09,820 --> 02:08:10,700
It's okay.

1158
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:10,780
Okay.

1159
02:08:11,060 --> 02:08:11,340
Okay. Thank you.

1160
02:08:11,340 --> 02:08:12,040
So it is.

1161
02:08:12,380 --> 02:08:16,140
It is strictly because the rising keeps it together, but that once again, it's part of

1162
02:08:16,140 --> 02:08:19,620
using your cycle materials as part of the construction process in this building.

1163
02:08:21,260 --> 02:08:24,340
So, again, they really think, if you look, it's very, very different.

1164
02:08:24,820 --> 02:08:28,200
It seems to itself, and every other rash run, fast, we rash run in the county.

1165
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:29,760
It's probably in the metropolitan area.

1166
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:34,580
The other thing that I found very, very exciting, very nice about this is the green screens that

1167
02:08:34,580 --> 02:08:37,020
you'll see on all four sides of the building.

1168
02:08:37,220 --> 02:08:39,280
Something that don't, I don't think in any other building,

1169
02:08:40,060 --> 02:08:41,300
that's been presented as four.

1170
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:44,380
You'll see it's even tied into the purgala

1171
02:08:44,380 --> 02:08:46,860
over the drive through a green screen there

1172
02:08:46,860 --> 02:08:49,300
where we've put in some type of local species

1173
02:08:49,300 --> 02:08:51,300
that climbs up and creates a nice vine.

1174
02:08:51,680 --> 02:08:53,140
You'll see that on a lot of the windows

1175
02:08:53,140 --> 02:08:54,220
to a green screen.

1176
02:08:54,460 --> 02:08:56,340
You see that along the outdoor eating area.

1177
02:08:56,540 --> 02:08:58,220
Again, that's something that, you know,

1178
02:08:58,300 --> 02:09:01,880
in rather than using a different detail

1179
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:05,880
and the building, we're actually using natural green products

1180
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:08,320
to help make this building that much more attractive.

1181
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,440
So you'll see again that we step the way

1182
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:13,520
from the normal Chick-fil-A building.

1183
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:15,700
But we really tried to present this board.

1184
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:16,960
This community was something

1185
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:18,480
that was very special, very different.

1186
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:21,240
Something that's going to set it apart from my real

1187
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:23,800
fast food restaurant in Prince George's County

1188
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:25,420
as well as the metropolitan areas.

1189
02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:37,400
Now, to get back to the real, where we are right now,

1190
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:39,000
As Miss Fields indicated,

1191
02:09:41,320 --> 02:09:44,000
we agree with most of the conditions that are attached to

1192
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:50,890
the recognition of approval, but I have some posts that changes those conditions until

1193
02:09:50,890 --> 02:09:52,190
I circulate to the board.

1194
02:09:58,070 --> 02:10:01,610
And I like to be asked that the mark is offensive, but one,

1195
02:10:17,700 --> 02:10:18,300
the Minister of

1196
02:10:18,300 --> 02:10:20,680
Channel from the City of Booye Harris, and I have to give him a copy.

1197
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:34,000
This is, we're going to accept this, your proposed revised conditions into the record in

1198
02:10:34,900 --> 02:10:45,700
And I previously gone through these proposed changes with the staff, and I believe with the exception of my changes to condition 1, A, B, and

1199
02:10:45,700 --> 02:10:49,440
J, I think these staff think we're currently approaching this.

1200
02:10:50,300 --> 02:10:51,260
A, B, and J?

1201
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:53,880
And those all are directly related to the general.

1202
02:10:54,440 --> 02:10:55,980
Is that correct, Miss Phil?

1203
02:10:56,600 --> 02:10:57,740
Yes, I believe so.

1204
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:07,260
Okay, if there's something, so I won't go back for it, but if there's something that we missed, then jump it, okay, before we go into the next one, okay.

1205
02:11:07,860 --> 02:11:15,660
All right, let's, I'm going to skip over the drive through changes, and I'll go to what I can say to be moving to the easier changes to the condition.

1206
02:11:16,720 --> 02:11:26,220
Okay, let's skip down to one, one, C, two. That's right, one, C, one.

1207
02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:32,620
It's now one A.

1208
02:11:33,320 --> 02:11:35,540
Oh, well, depends on what you use.

1209
02:11:35,780 --> 02:11:36,720
No letters in the new letters.

1210
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:40,240
So you're, it's actually one is the original condition.

1211
02:11:41,100 --> 02:11:41,340
Okay.

1212
02:11:42,020 --> 02:11:42,560
Okay. Okay.

1213
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:43,920
One to the back of the house building.

1214
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:44,600
That's correct.

1215
02:11:44,700 --> 02:11:49,040
Revised to stop building elevation from east west highway to improve the appearance by enlarging

1216
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:52,040
the window and reducing the space in between each window.

1217
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:54,200
As explained from this field,

1218
02:11:54,200 --> 02:12:01,640
that area of the building contains storage, it contains our freezer, it's really an area

1219
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:08,300
that we don't have any leeway from an interior standpoint to change. The size of those windows

1220
02:12:08,300 --> 02:12:14,600
make the larger. If we do the window end up in the middle of a wall or then to pierce our freezer space,

1221
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:21,380
that is really the storage area for the building. Now the alternative would be to put in some type

1222
02:12:21,380 --> 02:12:27,360
of a window. But again, we believe that if the track from the overall architectural appearance

1223
02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:32,040
of this building, that's one of the reasons why you'll see that in lieu of increasing

1224
02:12:32,040 --> 02:12:37,200
size of the window, we place those green screens below each window, the kind of add more

1225
02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:42,520
natural feature to the building. So again, we aren't able from an interior standpoint that

1226
02:12:42,520 --> 02:12:48,000
is really guiding the location and the size of those windows, so we are able to increase

1227
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:52,420
those windows in terms of putting a real window at that location, and I believe Miss Fields

1228
02:12:52,420 --> 02:12:56,580
based upon her review of the entire layout agrees that change.

1229
02:12:58,890 --> 02:12:59,450
That's correct.

1230
02:13:00,850 --> 02:13:07,330
We're not going to go through each one since, okay, I mean just we're not going to go back

1231
02:13:07,330 --> 02:13:11,370
up with responses unless and until we get to the one that's at a problem.

1232
02:13:11,610 --> 02:13:17,350
Yeah, so if I can just say our discussion was, we agreed that we understand that there's

1233
02:13:18,290 --> 02:13:20,610
technical and practical difficulties with changing the

1234
02:13:20,610 --> 02:13:21,870
administration on the side of the building.

1235
02:13:22,530 --> 02:13:24,650
What the applicant is agreeing to is a modified

1236
02:13:24,930 --> 02:13:30,550
condition C3, which states that they will provide additional

1237
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:35,050
birth detailing and articulation through modification of the

1238
02:13:35,050 --> 02:13:38,250
brick patterns, colors and architectural treatments to provide

1239
02:13:38,250 --> 02:13:42,030
visual interest along all elevations with specific emphasis on

1240
02:13:42,030 --> 02:13:44,410
the south elevation facing east west high west.

1241
02:13:44,410 --> 02:13:47,090
They believe that we will find some other solutions that will

1242
02:13:47,090 --> 02:13:51,890
make this elevation as effective as possible without changing the window locations.

1243
02:13:52,550 --> 02:13:57,530
So we're satisfied with the modifications to condition, existing condition once seen.

1244
02:13:58,130 --> 02:14:03,930
We believe that that change too, that she just spoke to does it for us to consider and frame us that.

1245
02:14:13,330 --> 02:14:17,550
And then we skip down to what was formally one,

1246
02:14:18,350 --> 02:14:21,610
which starts with storm on a management features

1247
02:14:23,820 --> 02:14:26,960
and P because those that will go hand in hand.

1248
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:40,840
The TDP for Pinsure is a plaza that calls for a possible use of some type of alternate storm management facilities such as biotension.

1249
02:14:42,260 --> 02:14:48,680
However, one of the problems that we have on this site is that given the significant patch of soils,

1250
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:59,040
It's really not going to do something about a bi-retention on the site, in addition, the bi-retention, if we did implement it on the site.

1251
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,900
A lot of silts, you see, a lot of other debris, such as garbage, they are coming through the storm management systems.

1252
02:15:09,800 --> 02:15:20,580
And we believe that a biorecension facility would be completely overwhelmed, based upon the fact that most of the plaza parking lot is not subject to storm management.

1253
02:15:21,140 --> 02:15:24,140
So what we're doing out there, things are going to be overwhelmed.

1254
02:15:24,140 --> 02:15:28,300
Well, could possibly be overwhelmed with the amount of self-antrashed.

1255
02:15:28,760 --> 02:15:31,200
So we think that we'd much better under these circumstances

1256
02:15:31,200 --> 02:15:44,830
to utilize a facility that that we're proposing is a proof

1257
02:15:44,830 --> 02:15:47,090
of this part of our stormwater concept plan.

1258
02:15:48,030 --> 02:15:52,230
We're right now are looking at doing a storm filter system

1259
02:15:52,230 --> 02:16:00,230
And that storm-fist filter system as proposed will exceed the county requirements by 8.5%.

1260
02:16:00,770 --> 02:16:08,350
So we're going to be doing much of our out there that is even required by the county, as opposed to what would be accomplished on a bi-retention system.

1261
02:16:09,370 --> 02:16:13,270
So we have actually included on the final page to serve our changes here.

1262
02:16:13,450 --> 02:16:19,390
You'll see the second page, a men-advining to address this issue with regard to storm water.

1263
02:16:19,390 --> 02:16:24,330
And again, I think given a fact that we're really trying to protect the environment out there

1264
02:16:24,330 --> 02:16:28,670
if we're looking at what you're going to accomplish with buyer retention as opposed to stormwater

1265
02:16:28,670 --> 02:16:29,230
filter.

1266
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:33,170
I think the filter is going to accomplish much more for the overall transit district.

1267
02:16:34,010 --> 02:16:34,330
Okay.

1268
02:16:37,240 --> 02:16:39,740
Thank you.

1269
02:16:40,060 --> 02:16:40,380
I'm sorry.

1270
02:16:40,860 --> 02:16:40,960
Commissioner.

1271
02:16:42,180 --> 02:16:49,560
I just want to question on the how does this then capture the planning islands that are demonstrated

1272
02:16:49,560 --> 02:16:50,260
on this slide?

1273
02:16:50,500 --> 02:16:51,580
Is that included elsewhere?

1274
02:16:52,600 --> 02:17:06,520
Part of me. I'm sorry. In the middle of the O paragraph, it's been struck through it also speaks to interior planning islands from the surface light.

1275
02:17:07,020 --> 02:17:10,640
And I think they're on the slide that we're also looking at are those captured elsewhere.

1276
02:17:10,760 --> 02:17:13,680
Those also proposed to be deleted.

1277
02:17:14,380 --> 02:17:19,700
Well, we are showing what is proposed in terms of interior violence on the site, we're not

1278
02:17:19,700 --> 02:17:23,380
proposing to add any additional interference as part of our stormwater concept approval.

1279
02:17:24,440 --> 02:17:31,760
So what is shown here complies with the landscape manual as well as our stormwater management requirements.

1280
02:17:33,180 --> 02:17:37,180
So any other plenty of violence, I think we would have come about if we are doing some type of fire retention.

1281
02:17:37,180 --> 02:17:38,300
Okay

1282
02:17:44,090 --> 02:17:51,430
finally then we'll get to the issue with regard to the drive-throw and again this really impacts

1283
02:17:51,430 --> 02:17:59,670
this gross two-conditioned formal condition 1A, B, and J, of the staff's recommended conditions.

1284
02:18:00,670 --> 02:18:02,450
1A, B, and J, and that's correct.

1285
02:18:05,140 --> 02:18:14,940
The revised conditions as shown to you request that A, 1A, B, the B, the lead it and then we have a substitute condition for J which now becomes

1286
02:18:14,940 --> 02:18:16,920
position H.

1287
02:18:22,780 --> 02:18:27,940
Now the first thing I'd like to note for the board is in this board, back in April,

1288
02:18:28,660 --> 02:18:35,260
occurred the case similar request for McDonald's, the located just on street from here and

1289
02:18:35,260 --> 02:18:42,620
Home Depot parking lot. This board recommended approval of that detailed site plan, suffix

1290
02:18:42,620 --> 02:18:47,700
who condition that the drive-through component be removed.

1291
02:18:49,300 --> 02:18:58,100
Since that time, the McDonald's decision was appeal to the district council, and on Monday,

1292
02:18:58,540 --> 02:19:03,380
the district council, as an order, approving McDonald's with the driver.

1293
02:19:05,740 --> 02:19:12,180
It based its determination on pretty much what we're doing here today, and that is

1294
02:19:12,180 --> 02:19:18,760
It looked at the very creative site design proposed for that site, and if you remember, they

1295
02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:23,540
located their drive-through behind the building, and the use was significantly screened

1296
02:19:23,540 --> 02:19:27,560
from east west highway by a wall along the best-screen way.

1297
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:35,700
It dials also on that site proposed, not or evening area, again, to bring the site into the

1298
02:19:35,700 --> 02:19:38,220
best-screen area and you can kind of make it interact with that.

1299
02:19:38,220 --> 02:19:45,320
So when the district council adopted its order, that finding was added, and I think that finding

1300
02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:50,060
is very pertinent to what is being proposed here today, as part of the Chick-fil-A.

1301
02:19:52,620 --> 02:20:00,100
What we are proposing here is the Chick-fil-A located on East West Highway in an existing

1302
02:20:00,840 --> 02:20:02,860
shopping center parking lot.

1303
02:20:02,860 --> 02:20:07,260
So, each was highway dislocation, as you know, six lanes with.

1304
02:20:08,780 --> 02:20:12,080
A lot of cars driving back on each was highway.

1305
02:20:12,880 --> 02:20:17,760
At the same time, you have a location that is within close proximity to the metro.

1306
02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:20,000
So, what do you then have?

1307
02:20:20,120 --> 02:20:25,500
You have both the vehicular traffic and you have the deshring traffic.

1308
02:20:26,020 --> 02:20:27,400
And you're trying to balance those.

1309
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:31,660
And what's being proposed here by Chick-fil-A clearly balances those.

1310
02:20:31,660 --> 02:20:37,640
to, I wouldn't say conflicting, but two things going on in this property.

1311
02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:42,340
But that's really big, and that's why we came up with this site design.

1312
02:20:43,020 --> 02:20:49,500
A site design that, again, brings this product building all the way up to the pedestrian way,

1313
02:20:49,960 --> 02:20:55,920
creates a connection between the sidewalk along East West Highway and the interest of this building.

1314
02:20:58,040 --> 02:21:04,360
screens the drive-to-component with that existing wall located along the entire

1315
02:21:04,360 --> 02:21:13,110
printer's just glass of front-inch and basically creates a very nice outdoor space

1316
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:19,410
that kind of like brings that pedestrian traffic into the site and makes it that much

1317
02:21:19,410 --> 02:21:25,970
more vital. So again there's a careful balance that the district council

1318
02:21:25,970 --> 02:21:30,570
a way, wind it up with the drive through a sociable McDonald's.

1319
02:21:30,970 --> 02:21:34,270
And it basically found that, based upon site design,

1320
02:21:34,270 --> 02:21:36,210
based upon its creative design techniques,

1321
02:21:36,670 --> 02:21:39,090
that there was a balance that could be met

1322
02:21:39,090 --> 02:21:42,690
without impacting the underlying nature of the transit district.

1323
02:21:44,330 --> 02:21:46,670
And one thing I think is very, very interesting is that

1324
02:21:46,670 --> 02:21:50,030
if your own community planning division also made this finding,

1325
02:21:51,330 --> 02:21:56,510
And, unfortunately, this memo that I make it into your backup package,

1326
02:21:58,530 --> 02:21:59,070
I'd ask that this

1327
02:21:59,070 --> 02:22:01,950
remark, this app does exhibit too.

1328
02:22:03,030 --> 02:22:09,070
The community planning division, back in February, looked at this site.

1329
02:22:11,750 --> 02:22:17,370
And there were one of the group that sat down with us and asked us to make some significant changes

1330
02:22:17,370 --> 02:22:23,350
with regards to moving and building up, creating that connection, outdoor space, it basically

1331
02:22:23,350 --> 02:22:33,790
helped us come up with the redesign of the drive-thru. And after we revised the layout, they

1332
02:22:33,790 --> 02:22:38,270
should amend my land and they'd have February 13. Again, this is not in your back of materials,

1333
02:22:38,610 --> 02:22:43,810
so I just want to make sure you did see this. They should amend my land, they'd have February

1334
02:22:43,810 --> 02:22:46,770
of 13th, where they can basically conclude it,

1335
02:22:46,850 --> 02:22:50,250
and you'll see here on page 3, and it's the one

1336
02:22:50,250 --> 02:22:52,250
to the third full paragraph down.

1337
02:22:57,410 --> 02:23:00,110
Based state, and I believe this is third sentence,

1338
02:23:00,990 --> 02:23:02,770
the proposed design of the restaurant

1339
02:23:02,770 --> 02:23:05,570
and associated parking and drive-through areas,

1340
02:23:06,270 --> 02:23:08,590
provide for pedestrian access and places

1341
02:23:08,590 --> 02:23:11,750
of building close to the street, reinforcing

1342
02:23:11,750 --> 02:23:15,390
and pedestrian oriented character that balances

1343
02:23:15,390 --> 02:23:18,250
that the particular oriented nature of the drive through use.

1344
02:23:19,350 --> 02:23:22,770
If the development plan is amended to permit the proposed use,

1345
02:23:23,290 --> 02:23:28,130
there should be a few negative impacts to the envisioned development pattern.

1346
02:23:30,990 --> 02:23:35,810
They go on the states that the transition development plan emphasizes the important

1347
02:23:35,810 --> 02:23:40,910
of pedestrian access and circulation and identifies the public rights away as

1348
02:23:40,910 --> 02:23:44,050
the location of primary and pedestrian system and forces of pedestrian

1349
02:23:44,050 --> 02:23:46,750
and choosing focus of pedestrian activity.

1350
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:50,630
The proposed application informs the land use recommendations

1351
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:53,150
for commercial retail uses and incorporates

1352
02:23:53,150 --> 02:23:55,690
an innovative drive-through configuration

1353
02:23:55,690 --> 02:23:59,430
that deserves the pedestrian primary pedestrian network

1354
02:23:59,430 --> 02:24:01,170
along East West Highland.

1355
02:24:02,370 --> 02:24:04,710
This is from your own community planning stuff.

1356
02:24:05,110 --> 02:24:07,670
So I have a question before we set the center.

1357
02:24:07,890 --> 02:24:09,910
So how come this didn't make it to our back?

1358
02:24:11,070 --> 02:24:13,650
It was a surprise to me when I discovered this yesterday.

1359
02:24:15,370 --> 02:24:18,050
But I brought it to this field of attention this morning.

1360
02:24:18,610 --> 02:24:25,530
They submitted a revised memorandum within the last, I think, two months.

1361
02:24:27,430 --> 02:24:28,890
They submitted a community planning.

1362
02:24:31,350 --> 02:24:35,690
In that revised recommendation, it took a different position with regard to this.

1363
02:24:36,170 --> 02:24:38,570
So they no longer supported what we're doing.

1364
02:24:39,090 --> 02:24:39,450
That's right.

1365
02:24:39,690 --> 02:24:40,350
That's right.

1366
02:24:40,350 --> 02:24:45,550
So, the only reason why community planning was what happened in this, let me explain.

1367
02:24:46,950 --> 02:24:54,850
The application was re-referred to community planning to look at the architecture, the revised architecture of the building.

1368
02:24:55,570 --> 02:25:01,610
So, then when it came back, I was a little bit surprised to see that they had changed their position.

1369
02:25:02,290 --> 02:25:05,070
Since you only think they're looking at was the architecture.

1370
02:25:05,890 --> 02:25:10,930
They like the architecture, but now for some reason, they don't like what we're doing

1371
02:25:10,930 --> 02:25:12,470
on it with the use.

1372
02:25:13,310 --> 02:25:18,010
So we had basically a change from, I wouldn't say 100 cents a quarter, but again, they

1373
02:25:18,010 --> 02:25:24,270
need some very, very strong statements, supporting the application to that complete, that

1374
02:25:24,270 --> 02:25:28,470
first paragraph that it read to you was cut down by three sentences, everything positive

1375
02:25:28,470 --> 02:25:32,070
stated in that section of the memorandum was deleted.

1376
02:25:33,210 --> 02:25:39,970
So, I'm not quite sure, from a community to planning standpoint, how you can change your

1377
02:25:40,370 --> 02:25:45,610
recommendation, especially given the fact that the underlying nature of the use has not

1378
02:25:45,610 --> 02:25:46,050
changed.

1379
02:25:47,070 --> 02:25:50,030
And the only thing they should have been looking at is that time, as far as I was aware, with

1380
02:25:50,030 --> 02:25:50,490
the architecture.

1381
02:25:51,630 --> 02:25:54,850
So, that's why I brought this man ran into the boards attention because I thought it's

1382
02:25:54,850 --> 02:26:03,930
very, very important that they see that the chat volumes back in February of this year felt

1383
02:26:03,930 --> 02:26:09,530
that there would be a few negative impacts to do vision development pattern.

1384
02:26:10,710 --> 02:26:17,530
Okay. The February 13th, 2013, memo from chat volumes through Cynthia, Appent and Jamaica

1385
02:26:17,530 --> 02:26:22,450
field has been marked as applicants exhibit number two and we'll accept it into the

1386
02:26:22,450 --> 02:26:22,710
reference.

1387
02:26:23,050 --> 02:26:23,450
I don't know about it.

1388
02:26:24,470 --> 02:26:24,650
Okay.

1389
02:26:27,230 --> 02:26:27,670
Questions?

1390
02:26:29,730 --> 02:26:29,930
Okay.

1391
02:26:30,550 --> 02:26:34,950
And with that, I'd like to say that I think there's very strong state in here from

1392
02:26:34,950 --> 02:26:35,770
community planning.

1393
02:26:36,490 --> 02:26:48,070
And I believe that this should count so in action on money of this week with regard to a

1394
02:26:48,070 --> 02:26:55,810
site, you know, with similar elements, you know, with similar efforts made with regard to

1395
02:26:55,810 --> 02:27:03,490
create a site design, really kind of sets a standard as to what, how you can balance

1396
02:27:04,330 --> 02:27:14,250
the vehicular nature of this use with the pedestrian oriented nature of the transit

1397
02:27:14,250 --> 02:27:20,850
those details slide plan with the amendments the conditions contained in applicants exhibit

1398
02:27:20,850 --> 02:27:21,490
one.

1399
02:27:21,970 --> 02:27:22,090
Thank you.

1400
02:27:22,250 --> 02:27:24,410
And I have to answer any questions you have.

1401
02:27:27,020 --> 02:27:27,310
Commissioner.

1402
02:27:28,590 --> 02:27:29,310
Thank you.

1403
02:27:29,670 --> 02:27:32,050
Just sorry to come back to this.

1404
02:27:32,310 --> 02:27:34,110
I wanted to check this staff on.

1405
02:27:34,210 --> 02:27:38,690
I think it was one of the figures of clarification originally on some of that text.

1406
02:27:39,250 --> 02:27:41,270
This goes back to the tree plan.

1407
02:27:41,270 --> 02:27:41,450
things.

1408
02:27:44,050 --> 02:27:47,010
So I guess, Ms. Fielder, are you comfortable with that?

1409
02:27:47,010 --> 02:27:51,770
Deletion, I looked at it again and I'm wondering if the second sentence might be retained

1410
02:27:51,770 --> 02:27:57,250
with that change from deficient to sufficient, as you originally suggested. Of course, I'll

1411
02:27:57,250 --> 02:27:59,750
also welcome the applicant's opinion.

1412
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:11,840
I think that the finding that's been provided that we did discuss this also with our environmental

1413
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:18,480
planning section about the appropriateness of by-retention in some areas and why some areas

1414
02:28:18,480 --> 02:28:27,060
other techniques are encouraged. I think the applicant's justification regarding particularly

1415
02:28:27,060 --> 02:28:33,160
maintenance of by-retention features versus what they're currently proposing. I think that's

1416
02:28:33,160 --> 02:28:40,100
likely accurate that they're their current proposal, which I believe it's an

1417
02:28:40,100 --> 02:28:50,200
a storm filter system, that will adequately manage the storm water without adding by

1418
02:28:50,200 --> 02:28:56,020
retention, which could become a potentially a musician's or maintenance issue. The condition

1419
02:28:56,020 --> 02:29:03,040
1-0 wasn't requesting additional planting islands. It was requesting a modification to their

1420
02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:08,260
design so that those islands could catch or also catch or swim water.

1421
02:29:10,140 --> 02:29:14,700
But the islands are to be retained, they're showing here on the plan.

1422
02:29:15,020 --> 02:29:20,180
They won't be designed to catch or swim water, as applicants indicate that would be likely

1423
02:29:20,180 --> 02:29:22,640
collect trash and block the system.

1424
02:29:22,880 --> 02:29:27,080
And that what they are proposing does exceed, not just need, we were concerned about that,

1425
02:29:27,160 --> 02:29:28,360
it does exceed county requirement.

1426
02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:33,700
But so we think that that additional funding made us so comfortable.

1427
02:29:34,600 --> 02:29:34,820
Okay.

1428
02:29:36,360 --> 02:29:38,700
In terms of yourself, I also will state that we did look.

1429
02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:41,300
It's essentially using permeable papers on the site.

1430
02:29:41,680 --> 02:29:46,060
And again, the soils out here are just so compact that it's just to make any sense.

1431
02:29:46,680 --> 02:29:48,120
So I mean, I fully understand.

1432
02:29:48,260 --> 02:29:51,500
I mean, I was involved with the development of post park.

1433
02:29:51,960 --> 02:29:56,940
And one of the problems on that property was that everything drains through that property

1434
02:29:56,940 --> 02:29:59,980
into the creek, and my client, post-prime.

1435
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,420
We spent the significant amount of money upgrading that strain. And I think everything that we do

1436
02:30:07,420 --> 02:30:12,740
after it is just going to help benefit that. And if we can provide better storm management control,

1437
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:16,600
then we realize there are a lot of retention. I think that's what I got.

1438
02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:25,380
Does anyone else have any questions or miscellaneous at this time? Mr. Chandler.

1439
02:30:45,710 --> 02:30:50,390
Thank you. Members of the planning board for the record, Jim Chandler, city of Hayatville.

1440
02:30:52,590 --> 02:30:59,970
Here today to speak on behalf of this project, the city has no wish you would be revised

1441
02:30:59,970 --> 02:31:00,630
architectural.

1442
02:31:01,050 --> 02:31:05,370
We would agree that it is superior to what was previously presented in the proved.

1443
02:31:06,830 --> 02:31:15,170
With respect to the applicant's proposed changes to the conditions with the exception of revisions

1444
02:31:15,170 --> 02:31:19,730
to conditions C, we're not supportive of any of the revisions.

1445
02:31:19,730 --> 02:31:31,590
We don't believe it's appropriate given that we receive the revisions less than 10 minutes ago that we would be able to assess what impacts the conditions would have on the site plan.

1446
02:31:32,950 --> 02:31:34,110
That being said,

1447
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:41,440
we are not supportive of drive-throughs within the TDOZ.

1448
02:31:41,440 --> 02:31:49,120
We are in the process of updating this TBOZ, and if the district council finds it appropriate

1449
02:31:49,120 --> 02:31:54,420
to include drive-throughs in a TBOZ, a question whether or not that process is necessary.

1450
02:31:55,880 --> 02:32:04,280
Furthermore, let me make you question whether what process is necessary and updating to a TBOZ.

1451
02:32:04,280 --> 02:32:13,840
Now, CDOZ is read as you can, you can have a variety of uses, but all those uses are intended

1452
02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:17,280
to support pedestrian and transit oriented projects.

1453
02:32:18,360 --> 02:32:21,380
This project is not support CDOZ.

1454
02:32:22,700 --> 02:32:28,460
I appreciate the fact that they have taken a variety of looks at the drive-through use and

1455
02:32:28,460 --> 02:32:32,960
how it could be mitigated in reducing terms of impact.

1456
02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:44,460
The effect of the matter is, and Mr. Lynch can correct me if I'm wrong, up to 50 or 60% of the clients that Chick-fil-A's trying to attract will be using their cars.

1457
02:32:45,700 --> 02:32:47,800
That is not consistent with TBOZ.

1458
02:32:48,740 --> 02:32:59,200
This project no matter how you try to orient the drive-through use will not support pedestrian and transit oriented uses.

1459
02:32:59,200 --> 02:33:08,320
As far as the landscape manual and some of the changes, the applications is requesting, we understand

1460
02:33:08,320 --> 02:33:16,180
there are a variety of considerations that are primarily the mall and some of the stormwater

1461
02:33:16,180 --> 02:33:18,160
issues they're trying to address.

1462
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:25,020
We believe that they're making headway and we don't oppose any of the landscape changes

1463
02:33:25,020 --> 02:33:31,420
that they are providing, that being said, the specific changes in the revision to conditions

1464
02:33:31,960 --> 02:33:35,060
which is not had time to take a look at.

1465
02:33:35,220 --> 02:33:37,580
With that, we have no additional comments.

1466
02:33:38,900 --> 02:33:41,580
The question is Mr. Chandler at this time.

1467
02:33:42,580 --> 02:33:43,520
Okay, thank you.

1468
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:49,100
Mr. Mechka, can you come back up for a second and

1469
02:33:51,620 --> 02:33:54,420
I accepted applicants one and two into the

1470
02:33:54,420 --> 02:34:01,420
Okay, this is okay. Tell us again, please because I don't know what the district council did on the other case

1471
02:34:01,420 --> 02:34:08,180
You said that on Monday they issued an order. That's correct. So a written order of the moving that you've seen.

1472
02:34:08,260 --> 02:34:13,120
Yes, okay. I have that you have that you're going to submit it to the record.

1473
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:20,960
Okay, I decided to just point the won't be signs of tomorrow. Okay,

1474
02:34:23,630 --> 02:34:26,730
so they approved it and it's just that sign and

1475
02:34:27,770 --> 02:34:30,090
Can you give it to our council for a second

1476
02:34:30,730 --> 02:34:33,050
So she can take a look at that,

1477
02:34:40,180 --> 02:34:46,740
and then a Mr. Maktari, when I'm going to take two minutes

1478
02:34:46,740 --> 02:34:51,340
to give a couple of minutes to take counsel and opportunity to read this.

1479
02:34:51,340 --> 02:34:56,120
As a matter of fact, let's take a quick two, two, three minute break, two to five minute

1480
02:34:56,120 --> 02:34:56,860
break actually.

1481
02:34:57,280 --> 02:35:00,080
And then Mr. Maktari, you can get to say what it is you want to say.

1482
02:35:01,140 --> 02:35:01,940
Thank you.

1483
02:35:51,920 --> 02:35:54,180
I have to go to Don't Sheet.

1484
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:09,580
The plan of board's back in session, I think.

1485
02:36:11,180 --> 02:36:11,460
Okay.

1486
02:36:13,820 --> 02:36:16,080
Then the lighting is ready though.

1487
02:36:20,230 --> 02:36:23,030
And we had some questions, and my question

1488
02:36:23,710 --> 02:36:24,990
before the break.

1489
02:36:25,370 --> 02:36:28,750
My question was to Mr. Lenshewant the District Council order.

1490
02:36:30,930 --> 02:36:34,590
And I'm Ms. Borden, can you address that this becomes the order?

1491
02:36:34,930 --> 02:36:35,090
Thank you.

1492
02:36:35,570 --> 02:36:36,470
I believe I can.

1493
02:36:36,890 --> 02:36:38,910
Deborah Borden, Associate General Counsel.

1494
02:36:40,450 --> 02:36:46,010
I was handed a an unsigned, what looks like a draft order, a affirming planning

1495
02:36:46,010 --> 02:36:53,090
board decision in the McDonald's Heightsville case, DSP 9900601.

1496
02:36:53,790 --> 02:36:57,290
The document I was handed is not signed, it's not dated.

1497
02:36:58,150 --> 02:37:05,150
And, therefore, I'm assuming it's a draft, we don't know if this is the order that will be signed.

1498
02:37:08,110 --> 02:37:11,610
And, you know, therefore, it really has no effect at this point.

1499
02:37:12,650 --> 02:37:18,710
What the planning board has to do in this case is make a decision based on this record, based on this site.

1500
02:37:19,210 --> 02:37:24,350
This is not the same site although the sites are close together, but they are not exactly the same.

1501
02:37:24,350 --> 02:37:29,650
one thing this site is closer to the metro for another thing this site is located in a pad

1502
02:37:29,650 --> 02:37:33,930
site that's associated with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, on this one that stayed

1503
02:37:33,930 --> 02:37:40,410
that last part again the other site is that, with a, this site is, this site is located, as

1504
02:37:40,410 --> 02:37:45,790
it has site, associated with a, with a pretty short as a, the other one is not. So these are

1505
02:37:45,790 --> 02:37:53,190
not the same sites. What the planning board is, is has to do it is making a recommendation based

1506
02:37:53,190 --> 02:38:00,390
on this record and based on this site and based on your knowledge and your expertise and

1507
02:38:00,390 --> 02:38:02,990
the information that you have on this site.

1508
02:38:03,570 --> 02:38:05,230
What did you say about the metro session?

1509
02:38:05,470 --> 02:38:09,690
The metro station is actually closer to the Chick-fil-A than the McDonald's.

1510
02:38:10,310 --> 02:38:12,070
So that is closer to this site.

1511
02:38:12,130 --> 02:38:13,750
It is closer to this site.

1512
02:38:14,110 --> 02:38:17,510
So that should also inform your decision.

1513
02:38:18,350 --> 02:38:24,390
whether you change your mind or change your recommendation from the recommendation that you

1514
02:38:24,390 --> 02:38:29,070
made on the McDonald's site is certainly up to you and it's available to you, but I would

1515
02:38:29,070 --> 02:38:35,630
suggest to you that it should be based on information in this record. And if you, on the other

1516
02:38:35,630 --> 02:38:39,910
hand, want to make the same recommendation as to the drive through that you did with the McDonald's,

1517
02:38:39,930 --> 02:38:44,230
again, it should be based on information in this record. I don't think that it's appropriate

1518
02:38:44,230 --> 02:38:52,650
to use an unsigned draft as basis for anything because we don't know what the district council will actually sign.

1519
02:38:55,130 --> 02:38:56,170
Thank you, Ms. Warden.

1520
02:38:56,810 --> 02:38:57,570
Okay, Mr. Lynch.

1521
02:38:58,130 --> 02:39:06,410
Unfortunately, the order will not be signed by tomorrow, but what Ms. Warden has before you is what the

1522
02:39:06,410 --> 02:39:14,610
the principal council to the district council provided to me, and that was what the district council

1523
02:39:14,610 --> 02:39:22,470
moved for approval on Monday. And as you'll see, it refers to an exhibit, and this was

1524
02:39:22,470 --> 02:39:27,640
the thing exhibit that was before. This is the same time we have the difficult-

1525
02:39:27,640 --> 02:39:36,080
So, as you said, the condition that was inserted was, we first to an exhibit, revised lay-outs.

1526
02:39:36,900 --> 02:39:43,320
And that lay-out was presented as in the record in the McDonald's case, and that shows the tribes through component for the McDonald's.

1527
02:39:44,100 --> 02:39:48,540
I understand this ordinance point that these are two separate cases.

1528
02:39:50,040 --> 02:39:57,240
But the fact that matter is is that the district council is making a final determination on both of these cases.

1529
02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:16,770
And as indicated, I stated that the reasoning of the district council was that in the McDonald's case we demonstrated that we were able to balance the pedestrian against the particular nature of the use

1530
02:40:16,770 --> 02:40:23,070
As opposed to the pedestrian nature of the transit district, then they found that we did a very good job of doing that.

1531
02:40:23,430 --> 02:40:27,590
And all I'm saying is that's an example at the district council found.

1532
02:40:27,630 --> 02:40:33,820
And obviously the district council approves the TDDP for administrative supplies up.

1533
02:40:34,730 --> 02:40:36,350
So they found that that's termination.

1534
02:40:37,070 --> 02:40:40,010
That's, again, we complied with the TDDP.

1535
02:40:40,290 --> 02:40:45,590
And again, using similar techniques here, I think that's, you know,

1536
02:40:45,590 --> 02:40:48,950
use this as an example, we are detecting, so we use

1537
02:40:48,950 --> 02:40:51,330
here probably even superior to what was done in the

1538
02:40:51,330 --> 02:40:51,830
McDonald's case.

1539
02:40:51,870 --> 02:40:55,310
And I'm just saying that the district council, who

1540
02:40:55,310 --> 02:40:59,710
makes the final determination, madeifying that we will not

1541
02:40:59,710 --> 02:41:03,430
impact the TDP, who will support the TDP, and the same

1542
02:41:03,430 --> 02:41:04,530
case will hold true here.

1543
02:41:05,230 --> 02:41:06,250
That's really what I'm doing.

1544
02:41:06,330 --> 02:41:10,010
I'm just using that as an example to show that, yes,

1545
02:41:10,190 --> 02:41:12,630
you may, you ask this to remove the drive through on a

1546
02:41:13,530 --> 02:41:13,970
McDonald's.

1547
02:41:14,570 --> 02:41:26,550
But the district council disagreed with that determination, and you know, found that through the creative site design where it was sport, the underlying nature of the GDP and the transit district.

1548
02:41:27,330 --> 02:41:34,190
So that's really what I'm doing. And again, it's unfortunate, you know, I wish I had a sign copy of that resolution. It's just a matter of timing.

1549
02:41:35,250 --> 02:41:42,010
You know, if this is tomorrow, I will have it. But again, that's what was provided to me by the principal council that the district council.

1550
02:41:42,010 --> 02:41:47,650
And that's what the district also moved to approve on Monday of this week.

1551
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:58,450
Okay, one of the things I need to do before I, the extended question is, this has been a lot of discussion about the order, even though it's unfined.

1552
02:41:59,150 --> 02:42:06,190
And so I think I need to accept it into the record for whatever provident value it may have at this structure.

1553
02:42:06,190 --> 02:42:13,190
So, it may not carry a lot of weight in the structure, but there's been a lot of reference to it.

1554
02:42:13,870 --> 02:42:18,010
So, why I'm going to accept it, it's the right, is that because it's a three.

1555
02:42:19,790 --> 02:42:22,530
For it, it's whatever probative value it may have.

1556
02:42:22,750 --> 02:42:23,730
And a vice chair.

1557
02:42:25,230 --> 02:42:30,470
Well, I agree with council.

1558
02:42:30,470 --> 02:42:36,870
that the district council of course as they also say they will have the final determination.

1559
02:42:39,350 --> 02:42:45,370
But I'm wondering if the district council actually took a vote on the side of it.

1560
02:42:45,390 --> 02:42:46,690
Yes, the vote on Monday.

1561
02:42:47,190 --> 02:42:48,270
They did on Monday.

1562
02:42:48,510 --> 02:42:48,970
That's correct.

1563
02:42:49,530 --> 02:42:50,130
That's correct.

1564
02:42:52,370 --> 02:42:52,810
Leave me.

1565
02:42:53,030 --> 02:42:54,790
I was here waiting with being a brother.

1566
02:42:55,310 --> 02:42:55,610
I'm sorry.

1567
02:42:55,750 --> 02:42:57,190
I was here to witness.

1568
02:42:57,250 --> 02:42:57,770
Okay.

1569
02:42:57,910 --> 02:42:58,070
About.

1570
02:42:59,210 --> 02:43:12,910
not not the country to counsel, but it is usually the district council's practice to take a vote to order or to direct staff to prepare and order.

1571
02:43:13,470 --> 02:43:21,430
They don't normally get into the details of the order, so it can be a little daunting to know what it is they've approved until the order comes out.

1572
02:43:21,430 --> 02:43:23,610
When you ask my question, if they're going to sign,

1573
02:43:23,850 --> 02:43:26,230
who's saying it's going to be signed tomorrow?

1574
02:43:26,470 --> 02:43:28,110
I was informed by the clerk of the council

1575
02:43:28,110 --> 02:43:29,830
that was going to be signed and bailed out tomorrow.

1576
02:43:30,070 --> 02:43:32,050
Okay, so the signed and bailed tomorrow,

1577
02:43:32,590 --> 02:43:34,690
there's no distrepownful hearing tomorrow.

1578
02:43:36,110 --> 02:43:37,470
So that should be a reflection

1579
02:43:37,470 --> 02:43:41,710
on what's approved might be very much like our resolutions

1580
02:43:41,710 --> 02:43:45,290
that we approve, and then we vote on that.

1581
02:43:45,290 --> 02:43:47,430
If you were to, or to what's distributed

1582
02:43:47,430 --> 02:43:49,670
to the members of the district council on that,

1583
02:43:49,670 --> 02:44:00,630
For review. I got it. And then the motion was ready. Got it. However, okay, but, okay, the procedure has changed since then he's got it.

1584
02:44:00,930 --> 02:44:02,090
It's just a few years.

1585
02:44:05,450 --> 02:44:10,050
If the board finds it, it would like me to go and check upstairs.

1586
02:44:10,930 --> 02:44:14,690
Well, I don't know about that, but this is going to the council.

1587
02:44:17,950 --> 02:44:22,730
So let me just do this because I want to get on to the other matters as well.

1588
02:44:22,970 --> 02:44:25,270
So there's anything else that you want to state.

1589
02:44:25,610 --> 02:44:26,610
No, nothing further again.

1590
02:44:26,770 --> 02:44:31,450
I just thought my show was clear that what was presented was what was told to me was.

1591
02:44:31,910 --> 02:44:34,690
Well actually that was distributed to the council on my head.

1592
02:44:35,110 --> 02:44:35,710
Thank you.

1593
02:44:36,410 --> 02:44:36,930
Okay.

1594
02:44:36,930 --> 02:44:37,110
Okay.

1595
02:44:37,750 --> 02:44:38,350
Commissioner Washington.

1596
02:44:40,650 --> 02:44:42,610
In applicants exhibit number one,

1597
02:44:42,610 --> 02:44:53,870
I just want to you to restate again, please Mr. Lynch. It was conditions 1AB and J as well as

1598
02:44:53,870 --> 02:44:59,910
new H which related to the drive through is that correct? Yeah, I reckon you misfeels as well.

1599
02:45:00,500 --> 02:45:17,040
That's correct. The reason why if there is a drive through, there's none in a room in the area. It's constructed, we've struck the wall. And also, really trying to be able to bring a certain compliance with landscape manual and screen loading space. So, this field's felt that every green tree's would accomplish the same thing as a wall.

1600
02:45:17,680 --> 02:45:19,020
Very good. Thank you.

1601
02:45:20,260 --> 02:45:26,320
Okay. Are there any other questions? Does the board have any questions of anyone? Is there motion?

1602
02:45:27,520 --> 02:45:36,700
I would like to move that we adopt the findings of the staff report and recommend to

1603
02:45:36,700 --> 02:45:42,460
district council that approve the amendment to be the use table with the modification

1604
02:45:42,460 --> 02:45:46,280
to delete the drive through component of the eating and drinking establishment.

1605
02:45:46,280 --> 02:46:02,200
and approved DSP 99044-07, subject to the conditions in applicants exhibit one keeping the original for one A and one B.

1606
02:46:09,380 --> 02:46:11,320
Also, J,

1607
02:46:14,220 --> 02:46:17,180
deleting, I guess, J and adding H.

1608
02:46:18,780 --> 02:46:26,000
I'm sorry, the flip side, keeping Jay, the leading the added age, and also adding the

1609
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:28,800
finding on page 3 of the applicant's exhibit.

1610
02:46:28,900 --> 02:46:43,160
I would like to make one refinement as well to direct staff to consider an edit to 1a where it

1611
02:46:43,160 --> 02:46:55,600
space and to consider in consultation with the applicant the possible shift of the site

1612
02:46:55,600 --> 02:47:02,340
somewhat to the east and the expansion of the seating area on the west since the recommendation

1613
02:47:02,340 --> 02:47:10,540
with my motion is to not approve the drive through area that is to the east and that was reflected

1614
02:47:10,540 --> 02:47:13,500
earlier in the record with some of my questions and comments.

1615
02:47:14,320 --> 02:47:14,440
Second.

1616
02:47:15,500 --> 02:47:17,000
We have a motion in a second.

1617
02:47:17,920 --> 02:47:19,320
This is a question I need some clarity.

1618
02:47:19,560 --> 02:47:20,400
Let's go on a second.

1619
02:47:20,900 --> 02:47:21,180
Okay.

1620
02:47:21,300 --> 02:47:22,240
I'll take the on the first.

1621
02:47:22,760 --> 02:47:23,240
Okay.

1622
02:47:23,640 --> 02:47:24,160
I'll be seated.

1623
02:47:24,760 --> 02:47:26,020
The practical implications.

1624
02:47:26,480 --> 02:47:30,300
So because the recommendation is not to include the drive through.

1625
02:47:31,240 --> 02:47:35,940
I would like a sentence or something that effect that might allow for the sight,

1626
02:47:35,940 --> 02:47:40,020
the building to be shifted to the east where that drive through was.

1627
02:47:40,020 --> 02:47:42,180
and to expand the seating area on the west.

1628
02:47:47,410 --> 02:47:56,170
It would just be consultation between staff and applicant or you mandating that or just asking for discussion.

1629
02:47:56,510 --> 02:48:07,670
I would ask staff to as a playing board doesn't need to come up with the language and I'm comfortable with consulting with the applicant to come up with the appropriate wording.

1630
02:48:07,670 --> 02:48:15,650
Okay, but if it is the goal to do the shift or to explore doing a shift, that's what I'm saying.

1631
02:48:16,610 --> 02:48:20,070
Okay, that's two very different things.

1632
02:48:21,310 --> 02:48:26,670
I would like this shift, but I don't feel that it's necessary, so I would.

1633
02:48:27,730 --> 02:48:29,870
Okay, so if it is for...

1634
02:48:29,870 --> 02:48:30,810
It is for, yes.

1635
02:48:31,510 --> 02:48:35,970
Okay, because I don't know that we've got enough information to determine if the code or could not.

1636
02:48:35,970 --> 02:48:39,250
So yeah, I'm comfortable with exploring that.

1637
02:48:39,250 --> 02:48:40,450
I'm seconding that.

1638
02:48:40,570 --> 02:48:42,710
And the only question I has mentioned in your motion

1639
02:48:42,710 --> 02:48:47,210
that you include the change that staff made on page 21

1640
02:48:47,210 --> 02:48:52,610
to change from deficient to sufficient with that change.

1641
02:48:53,350 --> 02:48:57,850
Mr. Jarrod, I believe that was removed with the-

1642
02:48:57,850 --> 02:49:01,650
That was in the case of it and replaced by the finding

1643
02:49:01,650 --> 02:49:03,010
in the last page.

1644
02:49:10,110 --> 02:49:12,370
Is there any additional discussion,

1645
02:49:16,190 --> 02:49:17,030
all in favor?

1646
02:49:17,930 --> 02:49:18,410
Opposed?

1647
02:49:18,950 --> 02:49:19,530
I said it.

1648
02:49:19,650 --> 02:49:20,650
May I have to worry?

1649
02:49:21,570 --> 02:49:22,330
I apologize.

1650
02:49:22,630 --> 02:49:23,530
I said it.

1651
02:49:23,630 --> 02:49:26,390
You signed up by the two we have already in the motion stage.

1652
02:49:26,970 --> 02:49:28,070
So I apologize.

1653
02:49:29,950 --> 02:49:30,210
Okay.

1654
02:49:31,730 --> 02:49:33,410
For the record, may I have to worry?

1655
02:49:33,890 --> 02:49:34,450
University Park.

1656
02:49:34,890 --> 02:49:40,810
As long as I preserve the right to be a person, a record, that's all.

1657
02:49:40,810 --> 02:49:41,410
You

1658
02:49:45,890 --> 02:49:50,310
know what? We'll go ahead and do that. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay.

1659
02:49:50,470 --> 02:49:55,290
We were not notified about this particular project.

1660
02:49:57,310 --> 02:50:00,290
Pretty important for us to be part of it. Thank you.

1661
02:50:01,270 --> 02:50:03,710
Okay. Well, we're going to find out what happened here too.

1662
02:50:04,110 --> 02:50:05,950
If I could make sure I'm just prepared.

1663
02:50:06,990 --> 02:50:12,390
If Mayor Tabori signed up to become a party director before you closed this case,

1664
02:50:12,390 --> 02:50:16,390
And I think he has all of those pellet rights that he just asserted.

1665
02:50:17,330 --> 02:50:17,450
Correct.

1666
02:50:17,550 --> 02:50:19,330
I had the promise that didn't get to me.

1667
02:50:19,510 --> 02:50:23,130
I saw him start over there, but it didn't get to me.

1668
02:50:23,270 --> 02:50:24,070
No, I understand that.

1669
02:50:24,310 --> 02:50:25,570
I was addressing the comment.

1670
02:50:25,590 --> 02:50:26,210
Yes, sir.

1671
02:50:26,550 --> 02:50:29,850
Which related back to preservation of his pellet rights.

1672
02:50:30,350 --> 02:50:33,310
Yeah, but I'm also listening to the part when he said he didn't have any notes.

1673
02:50:34,110 --> 02:50:35,390
If I can't see,

1674
02:50:36,330 --> 02:50:43,750
manager to board is a party of record he signed up on May 21st, 2012 so I'd be curious

1675
02:50:43,750 --> 02:50:48,730
why you didn't get it yes you are sorry you didn't get it back report in the mail at least

1676
02:50:48,730 --> 02:50:54,680
weeks ago we'll look into that we'll be able to explore that and if you're signed up for

1677
02:50:54,680 --> 02:50:57,560
And aren't you sign up for the next one too?

1678
02:50:57,880 --> 02:50:58,600
Yeah, so I am.

1679
02:50:58,600 --> 02:51:01,260
Okay, so that's a difference for you.

1680
02:51:01,500 --> 02:51:02,980
Okay, thank you.

1681
02:51:03,000 --> 02:51:03,780
Thank you very much.

1682
02:51:06,440 --> 02:51:06,920
Okay.

1683
02:51:12,150 --> 02:51:13,690
You know, why would we do this?

1684
02:51:13,870 --> 02:51:19,670
We need to go ahead and take item 11.

1685
02:51:20,310 --> 02:51:27,470
Item 11 is the draft resolution for West failure for the conceptual site plan 070401.

1686
02:51:28,290 --> 02:51:28,890
I don't know.

1687
02:51:28,890 --> 02:51:31,070
So we have any, oh, I'm sorry, I had the chance.

1688
02:51:31,330 --> 02:51:33,350
To the record sheet, I'm just recommending a approval of that

1689
02:51:33,350 --> 02:51:36,950
draft resolution, which was a case was approved by the board last week.

1690
02:51:36,970 --> 02:51:37,790
Okay, I'm in danger.

1691
02:51:38,190 --> 02:51:39,350
So move madam, please.

1692
02:51:39,590 --> 02:51:41,030
We have a motion in a second.

1693
02:51:41,170 --> 02:51:41,930
Is there any discussion?

1694
02:51:42,610 --> 02:51:43,370
All in favor.

1695
02:51:43,710 --> 02:51:45,230
I opposed the I.

1696
02:51:46,550 --> 02:51:47,190
I said, okay,

1697
02:52:00,250 --> 02:52:02,250
I have said that.

1698
02:52:02,410 --> 02:52:05,090
That afternoon, Madam Chair, a member of the Board for the record.

1699
02:52:05,190 --> 02:52:07,630
My name is Susan Loverse with the Urban Design section.

1700
02:52:08,930 --> 02:52:12,390
And I, too, want to say happy Halloween, 2013.

1701
02:52:13,350 --> 02:52:14,530
I'm just thinking, 13.

1702
02:52:15,070 --> 02:52:17,830
The 2013 must mean something for this Halloween.

1703
02:52:18,590 --> 02:52:21,190
I don't know why, but.

1704
02:52:21,530 --> 02:52:22,370
Thank you.

1705
02:52:22,690 --> 02:52:23,530
Thank you.

1706
02:52:23,810 --> 02:52:24,870
Before you is.

1707
02:52:24,870 --> 02:52:26,410
I love your colors.

1708
02:52:27,770 --> 02:52:30,490
University Town Center, parcel S.

1709
02:52:31,130 --> 02:52:35,910
This project is a revision to previously approved a detailed

1710
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:43,670
site plan for the same site. The current proposal is located within Councilmatic District 2.

1711
02:52:44,330 --> 02:52:49,790
On the north side of East West Highway in the northwest quadrant of its intersection with

1712
02:52:49,790 --> 02:52:55,130
America Boulevard, America Boulevard is the main street of University Town Center.

1713
02:52:55,910 --> 02:53:03,410
The property is owned MXT and is also in a DDOC. As the overlay map shows, the edge of

1714
02:53:03,410 --> 02:53:10,940
the OZ is just to the east of the subject property and the aerial map indicates the current

1715
02:53:10,940 --> 02:53:18,180
conditions on the site which is a surface parking lot. This aerial gives a perspective

1716
02:53:18,180 --> 02:53:27,180
looking to the south. I believe this is called Metro Building 3 and have referred to it

1717
02:53:27,180 --> 02:53:33,320
that way in the staff report and just beyond that you see the current surface parking lot

1718
02:53:34,160 --> 02:53:42,300
that serves that building at this time and then you also see the entrance into the site

1719
02:53:42,300 --> 02:53:49,800
off of democracy Boulevard and you can also see partially a part of the road that connects

1720
02:53:49,800 --> 02:53:58,260
here is called Liberty Lane and America Boulevard is here and serves the town center.

1721
02:53:58,260 --> 02:54:06,160
This is a right-in access and a right-out and there's a medium in the center of east-west highway.

1722
02:54:07,440 --> 02:54:15,580
This is another version looking north and the subject site is located at the bottom of the screen.

1723
02:54:16,220 --> 02:54:23,320
And you get a little bit better picture of America Boulevard as you can see the buildings that were built

1724
02:54:23,320 --> 02:54:30,960
and onto the face of Metro 3 that created the streetscape of America Boulevard.

1725
02:54:33,130 --> 02:54:40,570
The property is relatively flat with the water actually draining to the east,

1726
02:54:40,890 --> 02:54:43,610
as shown on the topography map here.

1727
02:54:45,010 --> 02:54:48,850
So the highest portion of the site is located at this corner,

1728
02:54:49,490 --> 02:54:52,850
the intersection of east, west, highway, and America Boulevard.

1729
02:54:52,850 --> 02:55:00,370
A master plan of right-of-way map indicates east-west highway as an arterial and bell-crest

1730
02:55:00,370 --> 02:55:05,290
road located to the west of the subject site as a collector.

1731
02:55:08,030 --> 02:55:15,030
I've talked about the existing conditions on the site which is a parking compound and we'll

1732
02:55:15,030 --> 02:55:17,350
get into the detailed site plan now.

1733
02:55:17,350 --> 02:55:26,450
This drawing, which is the unrendered version, but the engineering plant actually shows stormwater management,

1734
02:55:27,190 --> 02:55:30,110
located below the building in this location.

1735
02:55:30,630 --> 02:55:38,710
And water is hiked out into a drainage swell and other system over to the east and north of the site.

1736
02:55:40,210 --> 02:55:46,990
Okay, this is a rendered site plan, and what you're seeing here is looking down onto the building itself,

1737
02:55:47,510 --> 02:55:52,430
which shows the second story of the parking compound on the roof of the building.

1738
02:55:53,990 --> 02:56:00,910
The main part of Safeway is located to the west of this line, which is sort of a separation line.

1739
02:56:00,910 --> 02:56:08,430
And all of this is the safe weight area except for some loading area back in here and then

1740
02:56:08,430 --> 02:56:10,070
the ramp that goes below there.

1741
02:56:10,290 --> 02:56:14,990
So this portion of the parking garage is actually two-story.

1742
02:56:15,110 --> 02:56:17,330
This is single parking up here.

1743
02:56:18,090 --> 02:56:26,530
Now if you are entering the site off of democracy Avenue, you pull in to the parking garage

1744
02:56:26,530 --> 02:56:31,850
at this location and you can also come around the building and pull in this location.

1745
02:56:32,650 --> 02:56:37,910
If you come to the second story, there will be entrances to get into the food and beverage

1746
02:56:37,910 --> 02:56:43,230
store through an elevator system system in two locations.

1747
02:56:44,170 --> 02:56:50,890
It should also be noted that buildings, B and C have tenants at the second floor and there

1748
02:56:50,890 --> 02:56:58,690
be parking and entrances for that second floor office and or retail from the second floor

1749
02:56:58,690 --> 02:57:00,130
of the parking garage.

1750
02:57:02,470 --> 02:57:09,630
So this project proposes a total of 85,524 square feet of development

1751
02:57:10,230 --> 02:57:17,630
and it is for a 52,000 square foot food and beverage store and the remaining is a combination

1752
02:57:17,630 --> 02:57:26,070
of retail and office. This request also includes amendments to the use table, to the building

1753
02:57:26,070 --> 02:57:33,230
height, to reduce in with the design of the streetscape, as well as some detailing in the

1754
02:57:33,230 --> 02:57:47,810
streetscape. So the MXT zone is governed for density and intensity of development through

1755
02:57:47,810 --> 02:57:55,870
floor area ratio. And through previous bonus incentives earned for this project, the overall

1756
02:57:55,870 --> 02:58:06,790
FAR allowed for sub area 3 is 2.245 floor area ratio. And this is on page 7 of the staff report.

1757
02:58:07,870 --> 02:58:15,790
The total FRA floor area ratio proposed for this including this project is 1.347.

1758
02:58:15,790 --> 02:58:19,770
So there is four area ratio still available out there

1759
02:58:19,770 --> 02:58:21,050
for additional development.

1760
02:58:21,970 --> 02:58:24,390
And that's important because there is another parcel

1761
02:58:24,390 --> 02:58:28,530
yet for development that is open in the sub area.

1762
02:58:29,990 --> 02:58:35,570
The amendments that are being requested include the change

1763
02:58:35,570 --> 02:58:36,490
to the use table.

1764
02:58:37,090 --> 02:58:44,690
Now the use table states that the food and beverage use

1765
02:58:44,690 --> 02:58:55,930
is only allowed as a, it has to be located within office building a hotel, a wholly enclosed

1766
02:58:55,930 --> 02:58:59,390
shopping mall or within an accessory to an allowed use.

1767
02:59:00,210 --> 02:59:04,790
And in this case, it is the anchor to the main mixed use development.

1768
02:59:05,730 --> 02:59:12,590
So the question is, it was it ever considered that a food and beverage store would be of

1769
02:59:12,590 --> 02:59:14,410
size being proposed.

1770
02:59:16,830 --> 02:59:23,050
So the staff is recommending approval of this change to the use table

1771
02:59:23,050 --> 02:59:32,050
because we think that the main element being an anchor store that the TDP may not have

1772
02:59:32,050 --> 02:59:39,410
recognized a food of every store of this size. I think it was really trying to prohibit small

1773
02:59:39,410 --> 02:59:45,870
convenient stores on independent pad sites, which would be more on keeping with suburban

1774
02:59:45,870 --> 02:59:51,990
development than a more urban product like this mixed use multi-story development.

1775
02:59:53,890 --> 02:59:58,570
The other thing that the applicant is asking for is relief from the minimum building height

1776
02:59:58,570 --> 02:59:59,350
and the TDP.

1777
03:00:00,020 --> 03:00:06,320
State that uses other than residential shall be four stories in height.

1778
03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:13,500
And in this case, let me pull up the architecture.

1779
03:00:16,350 --> 03:00:19,890
In this case, the building height ranges

1780
03:00:19,890 --> 03:00:29,190
in height from approximately 18 feet in height to 44 to 48 feet in height. And the difference

1781
03:00:29,190 --> 03:00:35,570
When you're talking about stories versus actual, you know,

1782
03:00:35,670 --> 03:00:41,630
let linear feet of height, it makes a big difference because

1783
03:00:41,630 --> 03:00:48,130
the stories for a forest story building could be ten feet between each floor.

1784
03:00:48,890 --> 03:00:53,150
On the other hand, with a commercial development, when you have retail at the first floor,

1785
03:00:53,150 --> 03:01:01,090
often times, the building is 20 feet on the first floor, and perhaps 20 feet on a second

1786
03:01:01,090 --> 03:01:01,490
floor.

1787
03:01:01,770 --> 03:01:08,130
And the reason for that is that the high ceilings are very common for this type of commercial

1788
03:01:08,130 --> 03:01:08,690
development.

1789
03:01:09,970 --> 03:01:19,230
So, we felt that this project could be recommended for approval for that amendment to the

1790
03:01:19,230 --> 03:01:19,930
building height.

1791
03:01:19,930 --> 03:01:45,550
Another amendment, the applicant is requesting relates to the streetscape requirements, and in 2001 the district council granted an approval to both the conceptual site plan and a primary amendment at that time for the streetscape to reduce it from 40 feet to 28 feet in width.

1792
03:01:45,550 --> 03:01:53,750
And what the applicant originally submitted was 28 feet in width, but since they submitted

1793
03:01:53,750 --> 03:01:58,650
the plans, they've been working with the State Highway Administration, and they've learned

1794
03:01:58,650 --> 03:02:07,190
that they are requiring a five-foot bite-late bike lane along East-West Highway, which means

1795
03:02:07,190 --> 03:02:12,610
that they need to move the curb back in additional five feet, and one of the design elements

1796
03:02:12,610 --> 03:02:20,550
of the building has some pillars that come down from a roof element in front of the safe way

1797
03:02:20,550 --> 03:02:28,510
that will basically take up an additional three feet. So they're asking for this reduction

1798
03:02:28,510 --> 03:02:37,440
from 28 to 20 feet. And in looking at that, the staff went back to the original approval by the

1799
03:02:37,440 --> 03:02:42,440
Council when they reviewed the reduction from 40 to 28 feet, and we looked at the three

1800
03:02:42,440 --> 03:02:48,040
conditions that they attached to that approval, and we address each one in the staff report.

1801
03:02:48,880 --> 03:02:56,120
And the first thing that they wanted to make sure was that if there was a reduction in the street

1802
03:02:56,120 --> 03:03:01,800
with streetscape width, that the first 15 feet of the building height shall include,

1803
03:03:01,800 --> 03:03:06,860
For at least 80% of the linear frontage of the buildings, build two line uses to

1804
03:03:06,860 --> 03:03:11,040
enliven the area adjacent to the sidewalk and to the pedestrian zone.

1805
03:03:12,260 --> 03:03:21,740
So what we've done here is to look at the building along East West Highway, and you can see

1806
03:03:21,740 --> 03:03:29,380
with the amount of glass along the frontage, it allows for the programmatic elements that are occurring

1807
03:03:29,380 --> 03:03:34,840
inside of the buildings to be seen, and there's that exchange of activity that's happening

1808
03:03:34,840 --> 03:03:39,040
within the streets gate, and within the building itself.

1809
03:03:39,980 --> 03:03:46,760
So they do meet the 80 percent criteria, and we are quite pleased with the exterior finish

1810
03:03:46,760 --> 03:03:51,820
along East-West Highway, but I'll get into more detail on that as well.

1811
03:03:52,460 --> 03:03:55,540
So we are recommending approval of that.

1812
03:03:55,540 --> 03:04:15,560
The second condition that the District Council placed on that reduction in streetscape was that the parking garage along East West Highway was subject to a condition that the first floor shall employ such techniques as building offsets, variations and building materials or color and attractive vending to avoid monotonous facades.

1813
03:04:15,560 --> 03:04:45,540
And in this case, what the applicant has done is they have proposed that this portion of the parking garage be set back 15 feet from the rest of the streetscape and they have the pillars coming down along the streetscape and then there is an art and art panel that will be placed up and upper portion of it, which will also add to the experience as the

1814
03:04:45,540 --> 03:04:47,820
the pedestrian moves along that edge.

1815
03:04:48,660 --> 03:04:55,620
So what I have is a, let's see, I need to escape out of here.

1816
03:04:56,140 --> 03:05:01,820
And I'm going to go to another video that we have here.

1817
03:05:10,950 --> 03:05:13,550
Now, this is a video that we have been working

1818
03:05:13,550 --> 03:05:18,450
on the technology of taking applicants, proposed architecture,

1819
03:05:18,450 --> 03:05:32,530
and the information that we review on the site plan and so much and put it into a 3D model so that we can provide for the planning board and the district council the ability to sort of see how it really would feel.

1820
03:05:32,850 --> 03:05:43,030
And in this case, what we created was, as if you're the pedestrian walking along East West Highway, what that streetscape would feel like.

1821
03:05:43,030 --> 03:05:47,930
Okay, so I'm just going to let it go here and just talk a little bit

1822
03:05:47,930 --> 03:05:55,410
Well, it goes through so this is building C here on the corner and this is the entrance into the transit district and you can see

1823
03:05:55,410 --> 03:05:59,530
As you're walking along the development, you'll see what's happening in building C

1824
03:06:00,470 --> 03:06:05,570
You're going along you've got the street trees on one side and then here's the parking garage

1825
03:06:07,190 --> 03:06:12,990
So the parking garage is here and there'll be landscaping and some double rows of trees along this edge and some

1826
03:06:13,030 --> 03:06:18,610
meeting, and then up in this area will be a panel of artwork, which doesn't really show up

1827
03:06:18,610 --> 03:06:20,290
here, but you'll see it in some more.

1828
03:06:23,440 --> 03:06:26,080
And so this would be basically how it feels.

1829
03:06:26,600 --> 03:06:32,960
Another issue that's coming up with the conformance to the previous conditions of the district

1830
03:06:32,960 --> 03:06:38,960
council has to do with the treatment of the street along this edge, and at what it was

1831
03:06:38,960 --> 03:06:44,380
28 feet wide, we recommended the continuous linear planting bed.

1832
03:06:44,960 --> 03:06:49,500
But now that it has to be reduced down to 20 feet, we're recommending that these areas

1833
03:06:49,500 --> 03:06:55,300
actually, the trees actually be in pits, and they'll be concrete between each one

1834
03:06:55,300 --> 03:07:01,180
with a soil, a structural soil underneath, and it will make it feel a little wider.

1835
03:07:02,080 --> 03:07:05,920
So instead of being the actual eight feet, it will extend beyond that.

1836
03:07:05,920 --> 03:07:15,360
So as we move through this, you can see here's the three-foot encroachment of the columns that come down off of the safeway front.

1837
03:07:20,210 --> 03:07:22,730
There's the main entrance into the safeway.

1838
03:07:24,370 --> 03:07:26,410
And this is a planting bed along here.

1839
03:07:26,930 --> 03:07:34,250
And then you can see what's going on in the safeway itself because that's all glass along that edge.

1840
03:07:37,550 --> 03:07:40,490
This is some of the signage area indicating the different uses.

1841
03:07:40,490 --> 03:07:52,970
And this is a second entrance located here and then also there is a little elevator for ADA accessibility right at that pad side that will allow people to get in at that location.

1842
03:07:53,670 --> 03:08:02,770
And then as we come up to the corner you can see the pyline sign that currently exists for the project and as you turn the corner this is America Boulevard.

1843
03:08:02,770 --> 03:08:05,090
There and there's a

1844
03:08:06,330 --> 03:08:09,210
It plaza located at that edge.

1845
03:08:12,070 --> 03:08:17,450
Okay, so then the other thing I was going to show you is another model

1846
03:08:17,450 --> 03:08:21,030
Which is done on a 3D of the whole project

1847
03:08:21,030 --> 03:08:30,630
A quick question of video was there a the basement level entrance there off of no what's happening is as you're going

1848
03:08:30,630 --> 03:08:36,290
off the grade on East West it's very slight I give you're out there I think I've been out there

1849
03:08:36,690 --> 03:08:41,670
you know 50 times and I've never really noticed that there's much of an incline but there really is so the

1850
03:08:41,670 --> 03:08:52,330
finished floor has to be flat and as you go up the road is going up you have to come in and go down a few steps to get to that second entrance

1851
03:08:57,270 --> 03:09:14,630
Okay, so this is the model, the 3D model that our staff came up with in the Information Management Division, and this shows the corner of East West and America Boulevard.

1852
03:09:14,630 --> 03:09:17,430
This is the plaza area that's being proposed.

1853
03:09:17,950 --> 03:09:22,890
This is building B. Safeway comes around this corner

1854
03:09:22,890 --> 03:09:25,750
and extends about to this location.

1855
03:09:26,150 --> 03:09:29,650
And then beyond that is the two-story parking garage.

1856
03:09:30,190 --> 03:09:31,330
And that's building C.

1857
03:09:32,890 --> 03:09:33,390
So

1858
03:09:35,430 --> 03:09:39,210
you can see the curvilinear nature of that corner element.

1859
03:09:41,570 --> 03:09:45,490
And how the garage is set back at that location,

1860
03:09:45,490 --> 03:09:54,110
coming around. This is, so, building C will be the main entrance into the transit district.

1861
03:09:54,150 --> 03:10:00,750
It transitions from a church or other religious institution located on this site directly

1862
03:10:00,750 --> 03:10:09,770
east. And there is a slope that occurs between the project down to the adjacent property.

1863
03:10:10,250 --> 03:10:15,310
And there's landscaping along that edge and we have a condition about treatment of that landscaping

1864
03:10:15,310 --> 03:10:21,030
make sure that the retaining wall system and everything is attractive. And then also another

1865
03:10:21,030 --> 03:10:28,010
issue that came up was that you get into the first floor through the front doors that will occur

1866
03:10:28,010 --> 03:10:34,350
at this location and to get into the second story you would come in along democracy Boulevard as a

1867
03:10:34,350 --> 03:10:41,670
pedestrian and go into a lobby and then go off the elevator. Or if you're in a car you drive around and

1868
03:10:41,670 --> 03:10:46,050
go into the parking garage and you drive and you park up here to go to the second floor.

1869
03:10:46,670 --> 03:10:52,130
But the other thing I asked them to do was to add another entrance into that lobby from

1870
03:10:52,130 --> 03:10:56,450
the garage and they agreed to do that so that if you're already parked in the garage and

1871
03:10:56,450 --> 03:11:00,330
you're shot to the safe where you can get to the other stores on the second floor.

1872
03:11:00,790 --> 03:11:02,850
And the applicant agreed to do that.

1873
03:11:05,890 --> 03:11:09,590
So, this is the east side, east facade.

1874
03:11:11,130 --> 03:11:15,210
Okay, what you're looking down here is Liberty Lane,

1875
03:11:15,690 --> 03:11:19,590
which has green areas associated with the Metro 3 building,

1876
03:11:19,970 --> 03:11:25,330
and this is really the back of the safeway and other structures there.

1877
03:11:25,670 --> 03:11:28,350
So the loading will come into this area back here,

1878
03:11:28,510 --> 03:11:33,750
but there is also a secondary entrance at this location for the vehicles.

1879
03:11:34,830 --> 03:11:37,330
You can see they're planting on the rooftop.

1880
03:11:37,530 --> 03:11:43,470
That's a requirement of the transit district development plan that they provide 5% and you

1881
03:11:43,470 --> 03:11:49,510
can see through the Metro Building 3 here to see where the garage doors are for the loading

1882
03:11:49,510 --> 03:11:50,490
area.

1883
03:11:53,280 --> 03:11:54,540
This is building B

1884
03:11:57,160 --> 03:11:59,820
and there you see Liberty Lane here.

1885
03:11:59,820 --> 03:12:09,900
So, there's on-street parking located within the lot for the tenants here and across the street.

1886
03:12:11,060 --> 03:12:21,240
And this is an entrance to that can be used by pedestrians to go up the steps or use the elevator to get to the parking garage over here.

1887
03:12:21,240 --> 03:12:34,040
So it allows for people who might be parked on this garage to come down and visit these use these, you know, visit the tenants in these sites, but also to go down the main street.

1888
03:12:34,500 --> 03:12:40,940
And that's very important for that project because they need more people coming back and forth through that main street.

1889
03:12:46,390 --> 03:12:53,530
And then another point that we've talked about is that this Pylon sign, which is existing out on the property today,

1890
03:12:53,530 --> 03:13:03,390
The applicant may try to move it from this Plaza area over to this island, if it's allowed

1891
03:13:03,390 --> 03:13:10,310
by the overall developer of UTC and if transportation sightlines can be maintained and so

1892
03:13:10,310 --> 03:13:10,810
forth.

1893
03:13:11,210 --> 03:13:15,570
So you probably remember a condition that we had about that that they should be allowed to

1894
03:13:15,570 --> 03:13:19,070
move that if they're able to work it out.

1895
03:13:20,310 --> 03:13:34,550
And then this plaza area is an area where you can get a safe way food from their prepared

1896
03:13:34,550 --> 03:13:37,190
areas within the building itself.

1897
03:13:37,390 --> 03:13:43,150
And then also the Starbucks coffee shop is inside of this safe way.

1898
03:13:43,150 --> 03:13:45,190
and you can come out and sit in this area.

1899
03:13:45,810 --> 03:13:50,170
And these three panels here are not see-through panels

1900
03:13:50,170 --> 03:13:54,070
because that's an area where they have a lot of refrigeration

1901
03:13:54,070 --> 03:13:55,630
and storage and that type of thing.

1902
03:13:55,970 --> 03:13:59,370
So we ask them to make them decorative

1903
03:13:59,950 --> 03:14:03,810
in like an art exhibit type design

1904
03:14:03,810 --> 03:14:07,450
that could be changed out seasonally if they would like to

1905
03:14:07,450 --> 03:14:11,410
in order to, you know, make that a little bit more lively

1906
03:14:11,410 --> 03:14:12,530
in that corner.

1907
03:14:30,390 --> 03:14:35,210
So those are the three conditions I covered regarding the reduction in the

1908
03:14:35,210 --> 03:14:40,630
streetscape from 28 feet down to 20 feet and we do recommend that the planning board grant

1909
03:14:40,630 --> 03:14:49,330
that partly because of the state highways new requirements for bike lanes within any project

1910
03:14:49,330 --> 03:14:56,190
that you know has front-age. We're bike lanes are required and then the last requirement for the

1911
03:14:56,190 --> 03:14:59,950
amendment that would be is requested by the applicant.

1912
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:19,900
And is that the property frontages are to be developed in accordance with a particular streetscape within the TDP, which includes a double row of trees and you saw on the model that they can only fit one linear strip of trees in certain locations.

1913
03:15:19,900 --> 03:15:28,780
So, this staff recommends approval of all of the amendments, which include basically five amendments,

1914
03:15:29,280 --> 03:15:34,240
four of which are required to be approved at the district council level.

1915
03:15:34,840 --> 03:15:37,480
So, in that case, you're making a recommendation to them.

1916
03:15:45,670 --> 03:15:52,610
So, this plan was also reviewed by the standard referral agencies,

1917
03:15:52,610 --> 03:16:01,690
our transportation planning office reviewed it for conformance to the TDP and found that it

1918
03:16:01,690 --> 03:16:10,610
did meet the requirements for adequacy based on the parking generation requirements and

1919
03:16:10,610 --> 03:16:19,590
allowances within the TDP. There was also a reviewed by the environmental planning section

1920
03:16:19,590 --> 03:16:26,290
regarding environmental requirements within the TDP, and I do want to mention on the record,

1921
03:16:26,530 --> 03:16:32,110
and I will need to add it into the resolution that they are meeting the TRE Conservation

1922
03:16:32,110 --> 03:16:41,150
TRE canopy coverage requirements as well for the project, and community planning division

1923
03:16:41,150 --> 03:16:47,570
reviewed the project as well with a recommendation of approval of the project as well as the

1924
03:16:47,570 --> 03:16:48,250
amendments,

1925
03:16:52,730 --> 03:17:00,170
the transportation planning section also reviewed it for pedestrian related and

1926
03:17:00,170 --> 03:17:07,670
bicycle related analysis, and they are recommending that additional bike parking spaces

1927
03:17:07,670 --> 03:17:12,390
be provided throughout the development for a total of 28 bike parking spaces.

1928
03:17:13,130 --> 03:17:21,410
They are also found it from a pedestrian standpoint to be worthy of being approved.

1929
03:17:22,150 --> 03:17:26,990
And at this corner, I wanted to explain to you what's happening with the plaza.

1930
03:17:27,550 --> 03:17:33,030
At this location, you can see here is that secondary entrance where you have to go down the

1931
03:17:33,030 --> 03:17:37,010
steps to get into the first floor of the safeway.

1932
03:17:37,010 --> 03:17:44,810
And then this area includes benches that are stone and then they'll be there, you know,

1933
03:17:45,010 --> 03:17:47,850
all year round, they won't be removable.

1934
03:17:48,530 --> 03:17:56,730
And then there's also the opportunity for removable seating elements that may be more colorful

1935
03:17:56,730 --> 03:17:58,770
with umbrellas and that type of thing.

1936
03:17:58,910 --> 03:18:05,610
There's also a recommendation by the City of Highestville to include a sculpture or some site

1937
03:18:05,610 --> 03:18:09,690
some sort of art element in that plaza area,

1938
03:18:09,850 --> 03:18:14,890
and the applicant is willing to accept that condition.

1939
03:18:15,590 --> 03:18:18,270
There are conditions relating to the irrigation system

1940
03:18:18,270 --> 03:18:24,050
to get that completely finalized part of signature approval.

1941
03:18:25,590 --> 03:18:28,210
And let's see, here's the architecture.

1942
03:18:28,210 --> 03:18:39,690
The use of materials is brick with some composite materials that are used along the front.

1943
03:18:40,590 --> 03:18:48,990
And also this type of the applicant can probably explain it better than I can.

1944
03:18:49,970 --> 03:19:03,010
And then the prospective views indicate what it will look like in this case, this is the North West Corner of the Site at Liberty and America Boulevard.

1945
03:19:03,310 --> 03:19:09,990
So you're looking at Billings C and this is the area where the lobby is where you can go up to the second floor.

1946
03:19:10,970 --> 03:19:17,190
And you can see the tenants all along this edge and this may be office at the second level.

1947
03:19:17,950 --> 03:19:30,510
And this is a perspective of a safe way along the frontage of East-West Highway and another look from the opposite direction.

1948
03:19:32,900 --> 03:19:48,200
Okay, and this was provided by the applicant to provide some discussion about transportation systems as you come in and out of the site and how there are multiple areas to exit the project.

1949
03:19:48,200 --> 03:19:57,080
because you cannot come out and take a direct, come out of the project and take a left turn

1950
03:19:57,080 --> 03:20:03,280
because there's a median and so forth. So this concludes the staff's presentation.

1951
03:20:05,340 --> 03:20:07,680
Thank you, Mr. Ruth. Okay. Commissioner Washington.

1952
03:20:08,040 --> 03:20:15,000
Ms. Louis, thank you for one of our presentation. We received revised conditions this morning.

1953
03:20:17,080 --> 03:20:21,220
Yes, those conditions are the staff's final conditions.

1954
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:25,900
Okay, so these substitutes in their entirety, what you have in the report.

1955
03:20:26,680 --> 03:20:27,900
Okay, I just want to move on.

1956
03:20:28,280 --> 03:20:29,220
Thank you.

1957
03:20:29,380 --> 03:20:30,040
You're welcome.

1958
03:20:31,240 --> 03:20:31,400
Okay.

1959
03:20:31,940 --> 03:20:33,000
Are there other questions on this?

1960
03:20:33,100 --> 03:20:34,200
The rules at this time?

1961
03:20:34,400 --> 03:20:34,980
Thank you.

1962
03:20:35,220 --> 03:20:35,860
You're welcome.

1963
03:20:36,500 --> 03:20:37,600
Okay, Mr. Tesco.

1964
03:20:39,480 --> 03:20:40,320
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1965
03:20:43,660 --> 03:20:46,860
Before I get settled in, we do have representatives of Mr.

1966
03:20:46,860 --> 03:20:50,300
of the city of Highettville and Mayor of support from University Park.

1967
03:20:50,960 --> 03:20:54,140
As the customer, I'd be happy to defer and let them speak first.

1968
03:20:54,500 --> 03:20:55,560
And before I go to the presentation.

1969
03:20:56,260 --> 03:20:56,540
That's fine.

1970
03:20:57,580 --> 03:20:57,760
Okay.

1971
03:20:58,360 --> 03:21:01,140
Mr. Chandler, followed by Mayor to Boring.

1972
03:21:02,120 --> 03:21:03,080
If you do so too.

1973
03:21:06,210 --> 03:21:07,770
We appreciate that.

1974
03:21:08,090 --> 03:21:09,430
Madam Chair, remember to the board.

1975
03:21:09,750 --> 03:21:12,230
Again, for the record, Jim Chandler, with the City of Highettville.

1976
03:21:13,350 --> 03:21:15,530
City enthusiastically supports this project.

1977
03:21:16,290 --> 03:21:16,890
We support the record.

1978
03:21:16,890 --> 03:21:20,090
Thank you.

1979
03:21:20,090 --> 03:21:26,830
I'm always told to never touch the microphone, so we do enthusiasm to support this project,

1980
03:21:27,470 --> 03:21:30,190
and it has been a long time coming.

1981
03:21:30,630 --> 03:21:36,630
Certainly, we believe the conditions proposed by your staff are excellent conditions.

1982
03:21:36,970 --> 03:21:38,210
We support them.

1983
03:21:38,790 --> 03:21:42,130
We have that you grant approval to this project.

1984
03:21:43,510 --> 03:21:44,090
That's pretty simple.

1985
03:21:44,090 --> 03:21:46,610
Okay, thank you Mr. Chandler, were there questions?

1986
03:21:47,650 --> 03:21:49,310
Yes, I'm Mr. Chair for Mr. Chandler,

1987
03:21:49,310 --> 03:21:50,550
Mr. Chandler, come on back.

1988
03:21:50,830 --> 03:21:52,710
I'm sorry Mr. Chandler, I'm not a problem.

1989
03:21:53,070 --> 03:21:54,630
Thank you for your comments.

1990
03:21:55,090 --> 03:21:58,610
I was curious, I know the city has done a lot of nice work

1991
03:21:58,610 --> 03:22:03,050
on some bike lanes recently and I was hopeful

1992
03:22:03,050 --> 03:22:04,830
that there could be some connectivity

1993
03:22:04,830 --> 03:22:06,990
with what's being proposed or suggested

1994
03:22:06,990 --> 03:22:08,630
with state highway on east west

1995
03:22:08,630 --> 03:22:11,250
with some of your efforts.

1996
03:22:11,250 --> 03:22:16,090
And I don't know if you have any additional comments in that respect.

1997
03:22:16,850 --> 03:22:22,110
The other thing that I think we might get to later was also if you have any initial views.

1998
03:22:22,170 --> 03:22:26,970
And I think the request to look at a possible left hand turn, I believe,

1999
03:22:27,150 --> 03:22:31,630
into the property or site from East West Highway with the break in the median.

2000
03:22:32,290 --> 03:22:38,410
And I didn't know if that presented any issues for the city or with the queueing between those major intersections.

2001
03:22:38,410 --> 03:22:47,930
certainly I'll take the liberty lane breakthrough first. The city for House

2002
03:22:47,930 --> 03:22:53,930
five or six years has engaged with SHA on various projects at this site about

2003
03:22:53,930 --> 03:22:59,930
an additional turn lane or signalized intersection. It is our understanding based

2004
03:22:59,930 --> 03:23:04,310
on SHA's comments that they would not support signalized intersection. However,

2005
03:23:04,310 --> 03:23:10,350
That being said, if they would grant that we certainly would be supportive of it, we understand

2006
03:23:10,350 --> 03:23:14,410
that the need for additional access to the site and would be very supportive of it.

2007
03:23:15,450 --> 03:23:21,410
With respect to the bike infrastructure, our position has been if it makes sense to

2008
03:23:21,410 --> 03:23:24,550
include in the project, we are certainly supportive of it.

2009
03:23:24,890 --> 03:23:31,570
Our concern is that the requirement for the bike lane would create a 300 foot bike lane that

2010
03:23:31,570 --> 03:23:33,130
would not have a start and finish.

2011
03:23:34,410 --> 03:23:41,010
We've made these comments known to MDOT that there seems

2012
03:23:41,010 --> 03:23:44,770
to be some inconsistency or problems with the way

2013
03:23:44,770 --> 03:23:46,390
the policy is applied.

2014
03:23:47,210 --> 03:23:50,550
And certainly, we look for those bike lanes to be incorporated

2015
03:23:50,550 --> 03:23:52,870
on a little bit more comprehensive level.

2016
03:23:53,530 --> 03:23:58,230
Certainly, we don't want to create any unintended consequences

2017
03:23:58,230 --> 03:24:06,310
in terms of providing those on a bicycle with the impression that it is a safe area, and

2018
03:24:06,310 --> 03:24:12,490
then all of a sudden, the bike lane that was there sort of disappears, and it was mentioned

2019
03:24:13,330 --> 03:24:21,870
certainly, it's SHA's call, we're aware of it, we support even delaying that element if

2020
03:24:21,870 --> 03:24:27,850
SHA was supportive of that provided that the easement was there to create that sort of

2021
03:24:27,850 --> 03:24:29,210
I hope he has a bite-late.

2022
03:24:31,230 --> 03:24:32,030
Thank you.

2023
03:24:32,190 --> 03:24:32,530
Very rough.

2024
03:24:33,430 --> 03:24:41,930
One related question I had was with respect to, I guess, the, there's some discussion in the staff report.

2025
03:24:42,130 --> 03:24:44,950
I think also provided by the applicants, justifications.

2026
03:24:46,250 --> 03:24:56,730
On the, I guess, saturation with the market and some of the residential, and certainly I think more, I guess,

2027
03:24:56,730 --> 03:25:00,170
More greater residential component here would have been welcomed.

2028
03:25:01,690 --> 03:25:06,730
I guess what my concern is is the viability of the retail alongside the anchor.

2029
03:25:08,030 --> 03:25:15,230
I don't know what the current vacancy rate might be with some of the other retail at the University Town Center,

2030
03:25:16,470 --> 03:25:22,150
but I'm just wondering if there's been any additional sort of market feasibility studies

2031
03:25:26,110 --> 03:25:32,230
I would reach the same conclusion in terms of, yes, we believe it's a better project with the residential.

2032
03:25:33,450 --> 03:25:46,410
That being said, the need for an anchor at this site has been, I think, the greatest contributing factor to the struggles of the University Town Center.

2033
03:25:46,410 --> 03:26:05,410
certainly having 176 more units on top with 300 plus potential customers on top would certainly make sense, but we don't we believe there's enough existing and planned residential within the TDOZ to support this.

2034
03:26:08,050 --> 03:26:08,850
Thank you very much.

2035
03:26:08,850 --> 03:26:08,850
Thank

2036
03:26:11,380 --> 03:26:12,900
you.

2037
03:26:13,020 --> 03:26:13,040
Good

2038
03:26:25,330 --> 03:26:27,550
afternoon everyone.

2039
03:26:29,430 --> 03:26:35,910
Again, Madam Chair, thank you and Honourable Members, thank you for allowing me to testify

2040
03:26:35,910 --> 03:26:41,070
here today as always this pleasure to stand before you.

2041
03:26:42,170 --> 03:26:49,830
The town would like to read into the record their position and then I'll make a couple personal

2042
03:26:49,830 --> 03:26:50,970
comments afterwards.

2043
03:26:53,450 --> 03:26:59,000
First, if you want to distribute this, the top, the top one.

2044
03:27:03,510 --> 03:27:04,550
Have a copy.

2045
03:27:05,690 --> 03:27:05,870
Okay.

2046
03:27:06,230 --> 03:27:06,910
Thank you.

2047
03:27:07,250 --> 03:27:07,530
Okay.

2048
03:27:15,480 --> 03:27:21,520
This is with reference to the detailed side client DSP 05084-02.

2049
03:27:21,520 --> 03:27:29,160
The University Town Center parcel asks this letter sent on behalf of the Town of University

2050
03:27:29,160 --> 03:27:36,940
Park to present its formal position concerning the application of echo UTC LLC for DSP

2051
03:27:38,400 --> 03:27:45,560
0508484-02 DSP, the Safeway Project, located on University Town Center parcel asks

2052
03:27:45,560 --> 03:27:59,240
Council voted on October 28, 2013 at Sport the DSP with conditions proposed by the Maryland National Capital Park and Planning Commission staff.

2053
03:28:00,600 --> 03:28:11,340
I might add that with the exception of one individual who had to abstain for conflict of interest reasons, we will completely unanimous in this vote.

2054
03:28:11,340 --> 03:28:14,920
and frankly, we're quite enthusiastic supporters.

2055
03:28:16,560 --> 03:28:19,140
The Council of Water to make two additional requests.

2056
03:28:20,900 --> 03:28:27,500
These are the Council is concerned that all of this project is located in a TDO zone.

2057
03:28:28,420 --> 03:28:32,600
There is no adjacent bus or taxis stop or pull off.

2058
03:28:33,160 --> 03:28:38,660
The town operates a circulator bus that could add such a stop to its roof.

2059
03:28:38,660 --> 03:28:45,040
They're by allowing residents access to the property without using a car.

2060
03:28:45,860 --> 03:28:49,140
The Council supports installation of such a stop or pull-off.

2061
03:28:49,820 --> 03:28:56,080
We understand that it is unlikely that SHA would approve a bus taxi stop or pull-off on

2062
03:28:56,080 --> 03:29:00,260
route 410, which would be an optimum location.

2063
03:29:00,840 --> 03:29:07,580
As an alternative, the Council requested the DSP include a condition that the applicant cooperate

2064
03:29:07,580 --> 03:29:15,600
with the owner of the adjacent internal roadways to create a bus taxi stop or pull off for loading

2065
03:29:15,600 --> 03:29:23,420
and unloading of passengers on America Boulevard. Democracy Avenue or Liberty Lane, and that if

2066
03:29:23,420 --> 03:29:30,100
this is achieved, the applicant can be required to provide a bus shelter at the site. And require

2067
03:29:30,100 --> 03:29:36,780
that the applicant, it's airs and assignees be required to install a traffic light at the left turn

2068
03:29:36,780 --> 03:29:44,520
in into the project of the Democracy Avenue and Route 410 East-West Highway upon approval

2069
03:29:44,520 --> 03:29:46,480
by the State Highway Administration.

2070
03:29:50,820 --> 03:29:55,180
So, yeah, let me just finish and then I'll just make a couple of comments.

2071
03:29:56,180 --> 03:29:59,980
Finally, the Council expresses appreciation that the applicant will provide.

2072
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:07,580
At all stormwater management on site, our community is downstream of the proposed project and will benefit from this decision.

2073
03:30:08,540 --> 03:30:12,480
Thank you very, thank you for your consideration of the council's position.

2074
03:30:14,140 --> 03:30:18,720
Okay, thank you, Mayor Tabori, and I'm going to accept the letter into the record.

2075
03:30:18,980 --> 03:30:23,180
I'm just going to call it university parks, if there's a bit number one.

2076
03:30:23,540 --> 03:30:24,960
Okay, and you had some personal comments.

2077
03:30:24,960 --> 03:30:42,620
I mean, a couple of first of all, I'd like to thank the applicant for willingly coming to our meetings and engaging in the dialogue that they did, but also like to thank Susan Rose for her assistance, as always.

2078
03:30:44,320 --> 03:30:48,620
I think that this project has been a long time in coming.

2079
03:30:49,940 --> 03:31:12,620
We've all waited for this project and I think it's been really nice to be able to get here and to be able to talk in a very quiet and productive way with all the parties involved and I appreciate that very much.

2080
03:31:13,340 --> 03:31:14,320
Thank you, ma'am.

2081
03:31:16,080 --> 03:31:16,280
Okay.

2082
03:31:18,640 --> 03:31:18,940
Okay.

2083
03:31:23,560 --> 03:31:24,020
Come on, Dan.

2084
03:31:24,240 --> 03:31:24,780
Let's do the desk.

2085
03:31:27,480 --> 03:31:29,280
Madam Chair, for the record, Matthew,

2086
03:31:29,280 --> 03:31:30,800
to desk with a lot from a Mac and me,

2087
03:31:30,800 --> 03:31:31,580
Rosie and Greenville.

2088
03:31:31,680 --> 03:31:32,900
I'll be half of the applicant.

2089
03:31:35,740 --> 03:31:37,920
In full disclosure, I have a confession.

2090
03:31:38,060 --> 03:31:41,840
I had to explain to my client that you typically saved

2091
03:31:41,840 --> 03:31:44,360
the best projects for last on a planning board agenda.

2092
03:31:44,360 --> 03:31:49,360
That's what kind of we're not ordered there at this morning, so, with that being said.

2093
03:31:51,800 --> 03:31:54,280
Again, whether there's any truth in that or not, or if we can.

2094
03:31:54,640 --> 03:31:55,320
That's your story.

2095
03:31:56,540 --> 03:31:59,020
I'll leave that to you in this question, but that's what I told them.

2096
03:32:00,600 --> 03:32:04,320
Again, with that being said, it goes without saying.

2097
03:32:04,320 --> 03:32:05,220
That's the occasion.

2098
03:32:05,740 --> 03:32:07,900
Well, I try to wear your favorite calling.

2099
03:32:08,900 --> 03:32:11,080
We're matching at least.

2100
03:32:12,340 --> 03:32:13,300
Happy Halloween, by the way.

2101
03:32:13,300 --> 03:32:15,560
Thank you.

2102
03:32:16,000 --> 03:32:22,480
I would be remiss if I didn't introduce our team who have worked tirelessly on this project

2103
03:32:22,480 --> 03:32:24,900
for over a year, really.

2104
03:32:26,440 --> 03:32:32,960
And so if you could just allow me to just do that, Mr. Jim Castillo who was in the front row

2105
03:32:32,960 --> 03:32:35,020
with me to my left, you're right.

2106
03:32:35,420 --> 03:32:38,100
He's a senior director of development and construction for echo royalty,

2107
03:32:38,760 --> 03:32:41,960
who is the parent company of echo UTC LLC.

2108
03:32:43,500 --> 03:32:48,240
With him is more bolder, who is also with Echo, she's the development construction coordinator.

2109
03:32:49,140 --> 03:32:53,120
We have Mr. Jack Hollin with the MBNA, who is the lead architect on the project.

2110
03:32:53,800 --> 03:32:59,640
Trinney Rodriguez with Parker and Regas Landscape, and she's the landscape architect on this project.

2111
03:33:00,240 --> 03:33:07,060
Matthew Jones with Boulder Engineering, he's the PE, and we have Mr. Mike Lenhardt, who is a traffic engineer.

2112
03:33:07,060 --> 03:33:15,520
We also have G.S. Proctor and Associates who helped us with other aspects and Mr. GFVs that

2113
03:33:15,520 --> 03:33:16,400
was here on there, we have.

2114
03:33:17,640 --> 03:33:18,500
That's who we are.

2115
03:33:18,600 --> 03:33:19,280
That's our team.

2116
03:33:19,800 --> 03:33:24,740
Again, we have worked very hard on this project and as you've heard, this project has been

2117
03:33:24,740 --> 03:33:25,580
a long time coming.

2118
03:33:25,900 --> 03:33:31,640
This board approved a site plan back in 2005, which, from a time to the purposes, is not too

2119
03:33:31,640 --> 03:33:35,300
dissimilar from what you see before you with some significant changes.

2120
03:33:36,220 --> 03:33:41,980
Primarily, the 176th presidential unit, we've removed and the parking garage, we've reduced,

2121
03:33:42,060 --> 03:33:45,240
based upon that from 660 to about 289.

2122
03:33:46,420 --> 03:33:52,680
So that is the request before you to amend that approved prior approval to allow this

2123
03:33:52,680 --> 03:33:54,660
development to move forward.

2124
03:33:55,400 --> 03:34:02,200
Before I get into any more, I do want to also echo Mr. Meritabore's comments with respect

2125
03:34:02,200 --> 03:34:03,240
to your staff.

2126
03:34:03,240 --> 03:34:13,240
We have worked very hard and long cordially with both urban design staff, transportation staff, and all of your staff is a whole community planning.

2127
03:34:13,940 --> 03:34:17,280
Particularly Mrs. The Rouge has been wonderful on this project.

2128
03:34:18,160 --> 03:34:24,520
We are under a very tight time constraint, which is why we've requested the resolution on the same day.

2129
03:34:24,980 --> 03:34:30,480
And we have all worked collectively, all parties involved that you heard speech today on that.

2130
03:34:30,480 --> 03:34:36,260
And I think because of that, you'll see when I have my one exhibit that

2131
03:34:36,260 --> 03:34:38,880
requests the changes are very, very minor.

2132
03:34:40,500 --> 03:34:43,480
So, let me just highlight some key points.

2133
03:34:43,620 --> 03:34:46,060
Mr. Roos did a fantastic job in her staff report,

2134
03:34:46,540 --> 03:34:47,360
outlining everything.

2135
03:34:47,800 --> 03:34:49,000
We do have four amendments.

2136
03:34:50,440 --> 03:34:51,880
Three, I guess you could consider.

2137
03:34:51,920 --> 03:34:53,740
You're working from her revised conditions.

2138
03:34:53,840 --> 03:34:55,040
We have her revised conditions.

2139
03:34:55,840 --> 03:34:59,900
So, I don't want to jump the gun, but my exhibit, which I want to

2140
03:35:04,360 --> 03:35:10,140
So we're kind of taking the staff report conditions and putting them on the back burner for now.

2141
03:35:11,520 --> 03:35:16,240
But as Mr. Ruse indicated, we do have four amendments in the TDP.

2142
03:35:17,720 --> 03:35:22,820
One is the amendment to the table of uses, which is table 17 on page 144.

2143
03:35:22,820 --> 03:35:29,520
The second one is to reduce the minimum building height in sub-aryx, sub-aryx3.

2144
03:35:29,840 --> 03:35:35,700
The third is to reduce the bill to line and pedestrian streetscape, which are actually two and one.

2145
03:35:37,320 --> 03:35:39,680
That's P1 and P52.

2146
03:35:40,580 --> 03:35:45,980
And then the fourth one is an amendment to S8 in the T2DP, which is figure seven on page 33.

2147
03:35:46,240 --> 03:35:47,060
Okay, that's that.

2148
03:35:47,100 --> 03:35:48,280
Just let's just let's set that up again.

2149
03:35:48,280 --> 03:35:55,440
Okay, one is the revision to the use table on page 144 of the TDP.

2150
03:35:56,140 --> 03:35:56,480
Oh, those.

2151
03:35:57,280 --> 03:35:57,840
Okay.

2152
03:36:02,220 --> 03:36:02,640
Okay.

2153
03:36:03,480 --> 03:36:04,280
One way.

2154
03:36:04,480 --> 03:36:04,660
One way.

2155
03:36:04,980 --> 03:36:05,360
Okay.

2156
03:36:07,540 --> 03:36:12,200
And these are all reflected in the service staff report, which we wholeheartedly agree with.

2157
03:36:12,460 --> 03:36:13,360
So I don't want to spend a lot of time on this.

2158
03:36:13,360 --> 03:36:13,800
I don't know.

2159
03:36:15,200 --> 03:36:20,200
And she did a great job of cutting a pay, including our justification for that.

2160
03:36:20,200 --> 03:36:21,820
So I'm just outlining them.

2161
03:36:21,840 --> 03:36:23,720
Again, one is to revise table of uses.

2162
03:36:24,360 --> 03:36:26,540
The other one is to reduce the minimum building height

2163
03:36:26,540 --> 03:36:28,760
from four stories to one story.

2164
03:36:29,760 --> 03:36:33,760
Three is to reduce the bill to line and pedestrian street

2165
03:36:33,760 --> 03:36:35,400
scape along around the four sandwiches

2166
03:36:35,400 --> 03:36:38,580
are reduction from 28 feet to 20 feet.

2167
03:36:39,160 --> 03:36:42,580
And then the fourth and final one is to remove the requirement

2168
03:36:42,580 --> 03:36:45,420
to have a double row of street trees along East West Highway,

2169
03:36:45,540 --> 03:36:47,540
which is figure seven in S8.

2170
03:36:48,680 --> 03:36:48,740
OK.

2171
03:36:49,420 --> 03:36:49,980
OK.

2172
03:36:50,200 --> 03:37:09,400
I think the staff report and the justification statement and as the roots of summary of each of those amendments is more than adequate and how it'd be happy to accept them as our position and testimony here and incorporate and adopt our justification to those so we can speak this along.

2173
03:37:10,240 --> 03:37:17,800
Kind of buttressing what Mr. Commissioner Shove as Mr. Chandler with respect to the residential units and impact on retail.

2174
03:37:17,840 --> 03:37:23,880
I do have some some failures and percentages currently right now excluding the movie theater,

2175
03:37:24,060 --> 03:37:27,620
which the movie theater operates kind of differently than the other retail.

2176
03:37:28,360 --> 03:37:33,660
Excluding the movie theater, there's about a 60% vacancy in retail at the university town center.

2177
03:37:37,520 --> 03:37:41,880
With respect to the existing residential, this is from a Washington Post article that I pulled.

2178
03:37:41,880 --> 03:37:52,500
It's a couple of years old, but I don't think it's changed all too much in the last two years given the recession and the lack of anything going on in UTC, but according to that post article

2179
03:37:53,780 --> 03:38:03,060
There were only 37 of the 112 units in independent plaza or sold, so so 37 of the 112 had been sold

2180
03:38:04,560 --> 03:38:09,000
The plaza lost 22, which was the 22 luxury unit building

2181
03:38:09,000 --> 03:38:12,220
there were a hundred percent vacancy.

2182
03:38:14,900 --> 03:38:17,720
What Mr. Chandler provided,

2183
03:38:24,350 --> 03:38:26,150
you're indulged, you're indulged is one second.

2184
03:38:27,670 --> 03:38:32,590
What Mr. Chandler provided, which we included in our justification statement, so I thank him for this research,

2185
03:38:34,270 --> 03:38:40,510
is in the TDOZ area, which is all the sub areas, including this one.

2186
03:38:40,510 --> 03:38:45,090
There are either open, under construction, or proposed,

2187
03:38:45,270 --> 03:38:48,610
4,461 residential units.

2188
03:38:50,870 --> 03:38:54,110
So, having the 176 units included in this process

2189
03:38:54,110 --> 03:38:55,370
doesn't make sense anymore.

2190
03:38:56,370 --> 03:38:58,690
And it's the primary reason why it never

2191
03:38:58,690 --> 03:39:00,450
before to begin with the 2005.

2192
03:39:01,310 --> 03:39:04,430
So, to move this forward and to get the much needed anchor

2193
03:39:04,430 --> 03:39:07,910
at UTC, we've requested that this amendment

2194
03:39:07,910 --> 03:39:09,890
to remove those hundred or seventy-six units.

2195
03:39:12,290 --> 03:39:17,330
Any commercial retail developer will tell you, you need to have a strong anchor for the

2196
03:39:17,330 --> 03:39:18,790
survivability of any project.

2197
03:39:19,670 --> 03:39:24,930
And although there are probably a hundred reasons why UTC has failed, the primary reason

2198
03:39:26,050 --> 03:39:31,830
were severe development of the states coupled with the market, but mainly the development

2199
03:39:31,830 --> 03:39:32,270
of the states.

2200
03:39:32,270 --> 03:39:35,770
And not to throw Bloomberg family or anyone who

2201
03:39:36,610 --> 03:39:39,450
preceded us under the bus, but it was built inside

2202
03:39:39,450 --> 03:39:41,170
out, said about side-in.

2203
03:39:41,750 --> 03:39:43,430
So when you travel up and on East West Highway,

2204
03:39:43,570 --> 03:39:46,710
and within UTC, there's no indication, there's no

2205
03:39:46,710 --> 03:39:50,170
announcement that this is a commercial retail establishment

2206
03:39:50,890 --> 03:39:52,470
as envisioned by the TDP.

2207
03:39:53,690 --> 03:39:55,430
This probably should have been, I think,

2208
03:39:55,470 --> 03:39:58,250
we can all agree that this should have been the first thing

2209
03:39:58,250 --> 03:39:59,670
that was done, and then everything

2210
03:39:59,670 --> 03:40:02,210
and subsequently after within UTC developed.

2211
03:40:02,550 --> 03:40:03,390
That's not what happened.

2212
03:40:04,090 --> 03:40:05,810
And then with the exists with the development

2213
03:40:05,810 --> 03:40:07,110
of the residential buildings,

2214
03:40:07,190 --> 03:40:10,390
it shut it off from Precious Plaza, which didn't help.

2215
03:40:11,150 --> 03:40:13,130
So we believe that there is a critical mass

2216
03:40:13,130 --> 03:40:16,670
whether existing or in combination with what's proposed

2217
03:40:16,670 --> 03:40:20,850
to support all the retail that's existing and vacant

2218
03:40:20,850 --> 03:40:22,810
as well as our retail and conjunction

2219
03:40:22,810 --> 03:40:24,850
with all the additional development

2220
03:40:24,850 --> 03:40:27,170
that's going to be occurring in and around this area.

2221
03:40:28,370 --> 03:40:34,610
So, what this project does, it does so much more than just develop parcel S.

2222
03:40:34,830 --> 03:40:39,370
And that's what we, and I think you've heard from the support from the town, as well as the city,

2223
03:40:39,910 --> 03:40:44,130
and the fact that we've had nothing but support from any community that we've mentioned.

2224
03:40:44,650 --> 03:40:48,010
This project, you know, rising tide raises all ships.

2225
03:40:48,470 --> 03:40:52,870
And this project we believe will be the catalyst to actually save UTC.

2226
03:40:52,870 --> 03:41:01,130
and also energize the ability for parcel and hopefully to come online with a new development

2227
03:41:01,130 --> 03:41:03,510
so you actually have that street wall streetscape.

2228
03:41:04,390 --> 03:41:09,230
So, again, although we're looking at this just for parcel S, I really hope that the board

2229
03:41:09,230 --> 03:41:11,770
takes into account the actual overall global impact.

2230
03:41:12,110 --> 03:41:16,870
This one project will have on Piedsville University Town Center as well as the University Park.

2231
03:41:16,870 --> 03:41:26,010
So, with that, let's there specific questions I'd like to have our revised findings and

2232
03:41:26,010 --> 03:41:29,630
conditions introduced as applicants exhibit one.

2233
03:41:30,190 --> 03:41:32,590
Okay, let's see if there are any questions at this juncture.

2234
03:41:33,070 --> 03:41:33,250
I'm

2235
03:41:37,790 --> 03:41:42,050
sorry,

2236
03:41:50,560 --> 03:41:50,680
Commissioner.

2237
03:41:50,900 --> 03:41:52,340
Thank you, Mr. F.

2238
03:41:52,340 --> 03:42:02,680
to discuss. Just a few questions. One on the structure is I think obviously very well designed.

2239
03:42:03,200 --> 03:42:10,300
I guess I was curious if you'd gotten any comments from the CDC building or tenants

2240
03:42:10,300 --> 03:42:19,640
or the adjacent church on the corner with respect to the project or its design. And I guess what

2241
03:42:19,640 --> 03:42:25,000
getting at is whether there's some architectural enhancements that were considered or might be

2242
03:42:25,000 --> 03:42:33,300
adventurous with the east and north sort of parts of the structure. And I think we had heard

2243
03:42:33,300 --> 03:42:44,380
in our previous application today, some notion of screening landscape screening type materials.

2244
03:42:45,020 --> 03:42:49,600
I don't know if those types of enhancements were considered or might be of interest. I guess

2245
03:42:49,600 --> 03:42:56,400
concern with is this is this is a budding the front of a major office building. I know they

2246
03:42:56,400 --> 03:43:04,660
they probably use other entrances and exits as well to like a Samarit Boulevard. But it looked like

2247
03:43:04,660 --> 03:43:11,500
it was fairly you know more of a parking structure on that side for where it faces the office building

2248
03:43:11,500 --> 03:43:17,720
and I didn't know if there were any comments from that tenant on this long. The short answer to

2249
03:43:17,720 --> 03:43:23,640
questions. We provide all the notices required by law as well as your procedures and policies.

2250
03:43:24,780 --> 03:43:31,120
I, we were never contacted by anyone of the, the owners of Metro 3. The, the only, we,

2251
03:43:31,280 --> 03:43:36,640
I did receive a phone call from Representative Wells Fargo, who owns Parsleyland. He took

2252
03:43:36,640 --> 03:43:43,060
a back and a foreclosure sale. But it wasn't worth respect to architecture. It was a parking

2253
03:43:43,060 --> 03:43:47,400
question, as well as the town of University Park in the City of High School.

2254
03:43:48,100 --> 03:43:51,660
So no other, we were not contacted by anyone else with respect to that.

2255
03:43:52,100 --> 03:43:58,060
Consideration, however, was given with respect to the East property line.

2256
03:43:58,240 --> 03:44:04,220
There was a prior condition regarding landscaping and a wall feature adjacent to the church

2257
03:44:04,220 --> 03:44:04,640
property.

2258
03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:08,840
What we're proposing is a little different design.

2259
03:44:08,840 --> 03:44:24,200
We think it actually is superior to the what was previously approved. The previous approval kind of had a wall that had some wave detail to it as far as the way it went to travel north the south and the plantings.

2260
03:44:24,880 --> 03:44:37,840
We've actually increased the plantings along that side and we've got a two-tiered wall to provide a flat space to actually provide more plantings from the eastern property line and the church property to screen democracy and then that side of

2261
03:44:37,840 --> 03:44:44,420
the garage insurance. The north side of the building, as Mr. Ruth indicated, along the

2262
03:44:44,420 --> 03:44:51,180
front edge of Metro 3, there is on their front edge, there is sidewalk and plantings

2263
03:44:51,180 --> 03:44:58,240
to soften that up, but we've also wrapped what Mr. Ruth's calls building be, which we've

2264
03:44:58,240 --> 03:44:59,980
on the plants building, be wrapped at a...

2265
03:45:01,500 --> 03:45:22,300
Around America and along liberty, because we think that's a key corner right there, because that enables pedestrians within UTC to come down and access the top level of our, whether it's office or retail as well as the street level retail. There's a vestibule in there with an elevator.

2266
03:45:22,300 --> 03:45:29,520
So you can get up to the top floor of vice versa, people coming out of the safe way you park on the top of the store on the structure parking

2267
03:45:29,520 --> 03:45:35,600
can come across down into that vestibule and then write on to the corner of America's and liberty.

2268
03:45:36,120 --> 03:45:43,480
And you're pretty much half a block away from the heart of where the movie theater is and the main circular class of UTC.

2269
03:45:45,100 --> 03:45:52,280
So although we weren't contacting or requested, I believe we've done more than our level best to address those types of

2270
03:45:52,280 --> 03:45:59,100
questions and concerns. Yeah, I guess I don't know exactly what the view is from that building,

2271
03:46:00,360 --> 03:46:05,600
but I think most of the tenants actually have an elevated view down, but at least around the

2272
03:46:05,600 --> 03:46:12,860
entrance and exit. You know, I know that those perpendicular streets are supposed to be more like

2273
03:46:12,860 --> 03:46:19,160
alleys, but that's pretty much the view of the office building right there that we're looking at.

2274
03:46:19,160 --> 03:46:22,800
I mean, I guess the flip side of that coin also,

2275
03:46:22,820 --> 03:46:27,420
for Mr. Schrovis, because we've removed the 176,

2276
03:46:27,660 --> 03:46:31,060
11, 17th story, those office workers still have daylight

2277
03:46:31,060 --> 03:46:32,960
and views going out to East West,

2278
03:46:33,040 --> 03:46:35,780
and we haven't covered that, but, you know,

2279
03:46:35,780 --> 03:46:37,840
so that's another way of looking at it.

2280
03:46:40,220 --> 03:46:43,840
So, with that, I would just move to have applicants

2281
03:46:43,840 --> 03:46:45,100
unless there's any other questions,

2282
03:46:45,300 --> 03:46:47,020
applicants exhibit one, introduce,

2283
03:46:47,020 --> 03:46:52,500
which is a request for a revised finding and a revised condition, and I have one addition to

2284
03:46:52,500 --> 03:47:00,500
add to this as well. Okay, let's have your proposed revised conditions, Mark. Well, you've

2285
03:47:00,500 --> 03:47:04,240
pretty marked it. It's accepted into the record as applicants of the number one. Okay, and you

2286
03:47:04,240 --> 03:47:09,500
have a question too. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And maybe perhaps you were about to do this

2287
03:47:09,500 --> 03:47:12,800
this yesterday. Let's go. But I would appreciate your comments with regards to the two additional

2288
03:47:12,800 --> 03:47:14,740
were class from university park?

2289
03:47:14,880 --> 03:47:17,480
Yes, that was my one addition to this.

2290
03:47:17,520 --> 03:47:18,760
Yes, of course.

2291
03:47:19,320 --> 03:47:23,000
And Mayor Subore reminded me when I handed him this exhibit,

2292
03:47:23,720 --> 03:47:25,880
so I will address it.

2293
03:47:27,200 --> 03:47:31,240
The first, the first, on page one, which is all underline and blue,

2294
03:47:31,240 --> 03:47:33,680
and what I did is I try to make it easier for everyone.

2295
03:47:34,360 --> 03:47:38,080
Blue and underline is addition, red and struck out is deletion,

2296
03:47:38,520 --> 03:47:40,940
which we don't have any deletions, they're all additions.

2297
03:47:40,940 --> 03:47:49,000
But the first one is a request for a required finding, which is shown on page 8.

2298
03:47:49,220 --> 03:47:49,440
I'm sorry.

2299
03:47:55,850 --> 03:47:56,870
I had 10 copies.

2300
03:47:57,190 --> 03:47:57,910
I thought I didn't know.

2301
03:47:58,050 --> 03:47:58,070
Yeah.

2302
03:47:58,590 --> 03:47:58,890
I said that.

2303
03:47:58,990 --> 03:47:59,210
We're good.

2304
03:47:59,570 --> 03:47:59,850
They're up there.

2305
03:48:04,640 --> 03:48:07,640
And I reviewed all these with staff, both Mr.

2306
03:48:07,640 --> 03:48:10,280
The Bruce and Mr. Tory previously.

2307
03:48:11,140 --> 03:48:14,500
Basically, the first request is for an additional finding.

2308
03:48:14,500 --> 03:48:27,740
And I will tell you where it says transportation conclusions from little sea all the way to the bottom of number one in parentheses.

2309
03:48:28,560 --> 03:48:36,660
That is straight from Mr. McCarty's referral. And what we're doing there is in the staff report under this particular section.

2310
03:48:36,660 --> 03:48:44,120
Mr. Ruse, just indicated, you know, she decided to this referral as in the backup.

2311
03:48:45,120 --> 03:48:50,720
So for the resolution, I think the intent is to include this language from the referral

2312
03:48:50,720 --> 03:48:56,860
into your resolution with the additional language of the last paragraph on the first page.

2313
03:48:56,860 --> 03:48:58,000
That makes sense.

2314
03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:08,460
So, I guess what I'm saying is, little C1 and then item 1 is that's all from your transportation staff.

2315
03:49:08,780 --> 03:49:09,300
That's me.

2316
03:49:09,300 --> 03:49:11,560
I used to monitor and have a chance to read it.

2317
03:49:13,540 --> 03:49:14,780
And then you're adding.

2318
03:49:15,340 --> 03:49:22,760
And then we're requesting that the language below that which starts with the planning board does not adopt the above condition because the applicant will bond.

2319
03:49:22,760 --> 03:49:27,460
and I think it was for, we're asking for that to be included into your resolution as a finding.

2320
03:49:28,440 --> 03:49:36,520
And the reason for that is a condition for the left turn lane with a light is, and here accounts,

2321
03:49:36,620 --> 03:49:43,520
I can advise you on this, but this is a detailed side point, although this will try to indicate not to be formed,

2322
03:49:44,000 --> 03:49:49,620
but they look at circulation as far as adequacy for the TDP, adequacy is based upon parking.

2323
03:49:49,620 --> 03:49:55,220
And so the language of what's proposed as a condition really is what you would typically

2324
03:49:55,220 --> 03:49:59,180
see in a preliminary plan of subdivision for an adequacy of transportation finding.

2325
03:49:59,600 --> 03:50:05,540
You would require the bonding improvement or what have you prior to a building permit.

2326
03:50:05,900 --> 03:50:11,040
This project can be built with or without the left turn lane regardless of whether SHA

2327
03:50:11,040 --> 03:50:11,860
or proves it or not.

2328
03:50:12,320 --> 03:50:17,280
And I think what Mr. Chobori, this kind of goes into the item number two, Mr. Chobori's

2329
03:50:17,280 --> 03:50:23,260
the purpose and I think the purpose and intent of making this requested condition by Mr.

2330
03:50:23,360 --> 03:50:29,240
Victoria was, if SHA grants the meeting break in the left turn, which they've indicated

2331
03:50:29,240 --> 03:50:33,180
at least on the left turn, they are inclined to do. They're still vetting the meeting

2332
03:50:33,180 --> 03:50:38,580
break. But if they do that, a Warren study, if required, will have to provide it, which

2333
03:50:38,580 --> 03:50:44,140
we agreed to do, if the light is warranted, we will install the light. But that's solely

2334
03:50:44,140 --> 03:50:51,820
within the discretion and the authority of SHA under the access permit guidelines, not within

2335
03:50:51,820 --> 03:50:56,940
your authority to impose under a detailed site plan for adequate suite of transportation

2336
03:50:56,940 --> 03:51:01,020
because that doesn't exist all those circulation and parking, you do look at a detailed

2337
03:51:01,020 --> 03:51:01,540
site plan.

2338
03:51:02,240 --> 03:51:08,100
So what we've asked and I think staff is an agreement is just to have that finding in there

2339
03:51:08,100 --> 03:51:12,920
so that it's clear to the world and it can get hopefully in the search for in the town

2340
03:51:12,920 --> 03:51:18,980
some comfort that we're not trying to get out of putting in a light by any means and I've

2341
03:51:18,980 --> 03:51:24,620
indicated verbally and I indicate on the record if SHA requires and the light is warranted

2342
03:51:24,620 --> 03:51:27,700
for the proposed left-in we will install the light.

2343
03:51:28,260 --> 03:51:31,680
But I think conditioning and conditioning that on this DSP is improper.

2344
03:51:32,800 --> 03:51:41,660
So that is, that's the requested item on page 19, item 15 of this staff report,

2345
03:51:44,660 --> 03:51:45,360
I don't know if you want to.

2346
03:51:45,420 --> 03:51:47,640
Fed that a little bit or if I can move on.

2347
03:51:48,260 --> 03:51:51,060
I just want to give everyone a chance that I just said okay.

2348
03:51:51,700 --> 03:51:52,700
Set the next.

2349
03:51:53,260 --> 03:51:59,040
The next one is a revised request for to condition one little eye.

2350
03:51:59,660 --> 03:52:01,680
And that is what Ms. Lerous indicated.

2351
03:52:02,000 --> 03:52:07,740
We would all like to move the existing Pylon sign into the island within America Boulevard.

2352
03:52:08,140 --> 03:52:13,100
However, we haven't really had an opportunity to study that as far as what it's going to be involved

2353
03:52:13,100 --> 03:52:16,140
and doing that, the approvals, sight distance and everything.

2354
03:52:16,980 --> 03:52:27,420
So the way that the condition read, which I'll take responsibility for, it seemed to indicate that we were required to relocate it.

2355
03:52:27,420 --> 03:52:33,720
I just added if feasible is just to provide the flexibility, if infrastructure, site, line, clearance, and what

2356
03:52:33,720 --> 03:52:39,680
have you, doesn't allow it that we're not stuck with, not being able to sort of find a plan because we can't with design.

2357
03:52:40,620 --> 03:52:42,020
So I've just added the word if feasible.

2358
03:52:43,980 --> 03:52:51,570
And then I would add in this was talked about this morning in response to Mr. Trebori's letter, so I didn't have time to

2359
03:52:51,570 --> 03:53:01,290
would have typed out, but with respect to the towns request for their first condition, I would

2360
03:53:01,290 --> 03:53:14,930
propose the following language to be added to condition 1, so would be 1, 0, 1, 0,

2361
03:53:19,350 --> 03:53:25,130
and all the

2362
03:53:25,130 --> 03:53:28,530
So, the position one would be one, Oh, would be an afternoon?

2363
03:53:28,850 --> 03:53:32,490
What I want to ask for is to add a condition to Mr.

2364
03:53:32,810 --> 03:53:34,170
Russel's conditions.

2365
03:53:34,670 --> 03:53:35,830
So it would...

2366
03:53:35,830 --> 03:53:38,070
It's the town's condition one.

2367
03:53:38,770 --> 03:53:39,630
I'm just...

2368
03:53:39,630 --> 03:53:39,970
I'm just...

2369
03:53:39,970 --> 03:53:40,750
I'm just re-ording it.

2370
03:53:40,950 --> 03:53:41,770
Yeah, okay, okay.

2371
03:53:42,350 --> 03:53:44,110
I just trying to figure out how, okay.

2372
03:53:45,650 --> 03:53:47,510
So it would be...

2373
03:53:47,510 --> 03:53:51,650
I mean, one is called out by a brighter certification of the DSP,

2374
03:53:51,770 --> 03:53:54,010
the following revision, or information shall be supplied.

2375
03:53:54,010 --> 03:54:03,030
And then I would add item O to read the applicant shall explore the possibility of providing a bus.

2376
03:54:03,030 --> 03:54:03,710
It'll slow.

2377
03:54:05,010 --> 03:54:05,530
Okay, sorry.

2378
03:54:05,530 --> 03:54:07,010
So, where are they going to?

2379
03:54:07,770 --> 03:54:08,330
One O.

2380
03:54:09,010 --> 03:54:10,190
I got that part.

2381
03:54:10,850 --> 03:54:10,970
You.

2382
03:54:15,090 --> 03:54:16,670
I got the O.

2383
03:54:16,910 --> 03:54:17,530
I have that.

2384
03:54:17,530 --> 03:54:18,270
I'm just trying to figure.

2385
03:54:18,950 --> 03:54:21,630
Are you taking any language from his condition verbatim?

2386
03:54:22,110 --> 03:54:22,350
No.

2387
03:54:22,690 --> 03:54:22,990
Okay.

2388
03:54:22,990 --> 03:54:30,070
That's what I want. Okay, so I was kind of following. No, this is this is all new language. Okay, I got that. And we discussed that.

2389
03:54:30,230 --> 03:54:36,290
We just got this. And I'm just a Mayor Tory, but I'll be far to make sure that it's still not written with one of them.

2390
03:54:36,530 --> 03:54:36,710
Okay.

2391
03:54:37,910 --> 03:54:38,830
Yes, man. Of course.

2392
03:54:39,610 --> 03:54:46,830
It'll say the applicant shall explore the possibility of providing a bus.

2393
03:54:46,830 --> 03:55:00,750
possibility of providing a bus slash taxi stop along its frontage

2394
03:55:02,990 --> 03:55:04,290
of America Boulevard

2395
03:55:06,300 --> 03:55:21,140
and if feasible shall provide said stop that

2396
03:55:24,210 --> 03:55:33,990
provides sheltering that provides sheltering

2397
03:55:36,490 --> 03:55:37,190
surface.

2398
03:55:40,270 --> 03:55:41,670
The uppercut.

2399
03:55:42,010 --> 03:55:46,050
I'm a if feasible comma Shell provides said stop.

2400
03:55:50,810 --> 03:55:55,190
Grandian provides shelter over which provide shelteres

2401
03:55:57,550 --> 03:55:58,250
and

2402
03:55:58,250 --> 03:56:01,590
the, as the consultants will have.

2403
03:56:01,830 --> 03:56:02,850
We don't look it.

2404
03:56:02,850 --> 03:56:06,790
because we only really learned about this within the last 48 hours.

2405
03:56:07,770 --> 03:56:11,430
Our thought is, because we control some of the parking spaces along the

2406
03:56:11,430 --> 03:56:15,690
marketable of our two, restriped one or two of them to provide for this bus stop.

2407
03:56:16,810 --> 03:56:20,990
I think your urban designs that may have some concern on providing what we think of as

2408
03:56:20,990 --> 03:56:24,070
a bus shelter along this corridor because it may take away.

2409
03:56:24,510 --> 03:56:30,270
So what we had envisioned was using the corner of America and Liberty where we have

2410
03:56:30,270 --> 03:56:34,050
and oning to provide a bench and or maybe a bigger

2411
03:56:34,050 --> 03:56:36,990
oning in that location to provide the sheltering.

2412
03:56:37,250 --> 03:56:39,390
So I'm trying to capture the intent and spirit

2413
03:56:39,390 --> 03:56:41,910
of Mr. Taboris for Quest 4 of Shelter,

2414
03:56:42,010 --> 03:56:45,730
but not handcuff me to a bus shelter.

2415
03:56:45,950 --> 03:56:47,930
We're seeing those steps up and shelter.

2416
03:56:48,070 --> 03:56:51,830
Can we say the applicant shall explore the possibility

2417
03:56:51,830 --> 03:56:54,810
of providing a bus slash taxi stop

2418
03:56:54,810 --> 03:56:57,730
along its frontage of American Boulevard.

2419
03:56:57,730 --> 03:57:03,990
and if feasible shall provide says stop which shall include sheltering. Perfect.

2420
03:57:08,540 --> 03:57:12,760
That's acceptable to the applicant. I'll defer to Mr. Tory and Ms. Lovers.

2421
03:57:15,930 --> 03:57:23,930
OK, so we do just on a preliminary analysis. It does look like there's a little extra room

2422
03:57:23,930 --> 03:57:31,590
at this corner to maybe expand the sidewalk in that area and still have room for parking

2423
03:57:31,590 --> 03:57:38,550
and so forth. So we think it's a good idea to provide that. It has to be analyzed and we

2424
03:57:38,550 --> 03:57:46,290
would do it prior to signature approval of the plans. Okay? And it's all on parcel asks,

2425
03:57:46,530 --> 03:57:52,670
which is the application before you. So I hope that it's in control of the applicant to

2426
03:57:52,670 --> 03:58:00,470
be able to make a decision on that issue. And that's part of, and that's why I'm trying

2427
03:58:00,470 --> 03:58:04,290
away from the cooperation with any joining under the law.

2428
03:58:04,530 --> 03:58:05,970
Yes, it's floor, floor, floor, floor,

2429
03:58:06,690 --> 03:58:10,590
possibility, it's feasible, it's feasible, we've got you trying to

2430
03:58:10,590 --> 03:58:11,210
let's qualify.

2431
03:58:11,670 --> 03:58:14,430
But we agree that it's in everyone's best

2432
03:58:14,430 --> 03:58:17,270
centers if we can provide it to do it and we're happy to do it.

2433
03:58:17,530 --> 03:58:22,590
I just, I don't want to, I can't say 100% to do it,

2434
03:58:22,670 --> 03:58:23,630
because if we just haven't looked at it,

2435
03:58:23,630 --> 03:58:24,930
but we think we can make it work.

2436
03:58:25,750 --> 03:58:26,510
I guess

2437
03:58:29,830 --> 03:58:32,090
what I didn't understand about the last part was,

2438
03:58:32,090 --> 03:58:38,190
But she said shell provides, with all those profiles, and their shell provides, said stop,

2439
03:58:39,350 --> 03:58:41,110
which shall include the shell turning.

2440
03:58:42,990 --> 03:58:46,510
And I just, I didn't get the, but that's okay with you.

2441
03:58:46,510 --> 03:58:47,430
So that's okay with you.

2442
03:58:48,230 --> 03:58:52,030
I mean, we think they're sheltering already that would already exist with the awning, but we

2443
03:58:52,030 --> 03:58:53,170
can certainly look at it.

2444
03:58:53,290 --> 03:58:55,710
But that's what I'm trying to make sure that if you're saying they're sheltering that

2445
03:58:55,710 --> 03:58:57,390
already exists with the awning.

2446
03:58:57,950 --> 03:59:00,790
What I want to, and again, what I want to do, I'm not trying to compensate that.

2447
03:59:00,790 --> 03:59:05,430
I'm trying to use the panel at the same time, not handcuff myself to do it.

2448
03:59:05,670 --> 03:59:06,230
That's shelter.

2449
03:59:06,590 --> 03:59:07,130
We got it.

2450
03:59:10,560 --> 03:59:10,660
Okay.

2451
03:59:11,280 --> 03:59:16,280
Madam Chair perhaps those last shalls at the end of the sentence should turn into

2452
03:59:18,200 --> 03:59:19,720
Should's in the statement.

2453
03:59:21,180 --> 03:59:22,360
And if she should.

2454
03:59:23,980 --> 03:59:25,740
Well, I mean the shalls, okay.

2455
03:59:26,160 --> 03:59:28,820
I don't have a problem with that because you've already.

2456
03:59:28,820 --> 03:59:30,780
So I see the both of them.

2457
03:59:31,540 --> 03:59:37,320
Yeah, shall provide says that I just before I had just says that's

2458
03:59:37,320 --> 03:59:39,740
happened, sheltering, but that's so that they're not with it.

2459
03:59:39,740 --> 03:59:43,180
We can do, we can do, I mean, I'm safe to stop and sheltering.

2460
03:59:44,120 --> 03:59:46,200
Okay, that's that's probably easier.

2461
03:59:46,760 --> 03:59:48,560
That's, but that's what I said earlier.

2462
03:59:48,820 --> 03:59:50,540
I thought that you weren't accepting that, okay.

2463
03:59:50,660 --> 03:59:57,560
No, no, I said and or which, but it just actually because not and sheltering could

2464
03:59:57,560 --> 03:59:59,560
and she'll throw over here and stop over here.

2465
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:22,660
Good, an initial sentence, yes, so it doesn't, it couldn't. Yeah, so the end doesn't get us there. I think that. How about us? How about we say stop with sheltering? Okay, well there we got, okay, okay, stop with sheltering, okay. I think, but I first said that's what I'm going to say stop. Yeah. Yeah, but this has come back to basically. Yeah, okay.

2466
04:00:29,490 --> 04:00:34,970
So I would just, I'd like to give Mr. Taboria a chance to just respond to that language publicly

2467
04:00:44,320 --> 04:00:45,620
for the record.

2468
04:00:45,780 --> 04:00:49,560
I have Taboria from the University Park. Yes, we're in agreement with that.

2469
04:00:49,740 --> 04:00:51,340
Okay, thank you, Mr. Taboria.

2470
04:00:54,420 --> 04:00:58,060
And then with respect to the town's second request.

2471
04:00:58,980 --> 04:01:02,180
I think we've adequately addressed that in my requested finding.

2472
04:01:02,900 --> 04:01:02,920
Okay.

2473
04:01:02,920 --> 04:01:03,900
All right.

2474
04:01:04,060 --> 04:01:08,260
Now let's do what the final name is.

2475
04:01:08,500 --> 04:01:12,260
This boarden where you get, okay, and then Mr. Mark Kary, and this you want him to go first?

2476
04:01:12,900 --> 04:01:13,440
Well, I can.

2477
04:01:13,720 --> 04:01:13,920
Okay.

2478
04:01:14,060 --> 04:01:14,880
Let's be very brief.

2479
04:01:15,000 --> 04:01:16,460
Deborah Boarden and Associate General Counsel.

2480
04:01:16,540 --> 04:01:20,020
Yes, I did look at this and spoke with Ms. Lerous about this.

2481
04:01:20,020 --> 04:01:32,900
I do concur that the issue of the ward analysis for the traffic signal as well as the issue of the

2482
04:01:32,900 --> 04:01:38,560
you and is certainly something we can open on, but it is not something that is subject to

2483
04:01:38,560 --> 04:01:39,400
our approval.

2484
04:01:40,840 --> 04:01:45,740
So the agreement is as written the findings is perfect.

2485
04:01:47,380 --> 04:01:48,860
Mr. Markari, any comment?

2486
04:01:50,240 --> 04:01:51,420
Very briefly, Madam Chair.

2487
04:01:51,880 --> 04:01:57,440
I think because the applicant took very positive and proactive approach with this left

2488
04:01:57,440 --> 04:02:04,520
And the signal, we were hoping that SHA would be cooperative and come up with a more concrete answer.

2489
04:02:05,000 --> 04:02:11,760
But I fully agree with our social general counsel that this is something that SHA has to make the final call.

2490
04:02:12,120 --> 04:02:14,020
We were hoping by then we would have this.

2491
04:02:14,440 --> 04:02:22,380
But so I think a finding is more appropriate than conditioning because we don't want to put the applicant between a hard and rough place.

2492
04:02:23,660 --> 04:02:25,120
between rock and harbolic.

2493
04:02:27,200 --> 04:02:29,780
Sorry, it's a highly win-com.

2494
04:02:32,120 --> 04:02:34,300
But I fully agree with being a finding

2495
04:02:34,300 --> 04:02:36,580
greater than condition, I can get more appropriate.

2496
04:02:37,020 --> 04:02:40,280
Okay. I'm going to write this down, Mr. McCarrick.

2497
04:02:47,000 --> 04:02:51,700
Madam Chair, again, I would incorporate it up. This statement is just a occasion and a submit

2498
04:02:52,660 --> 04:02:53,640
on the record.

2499
04:02:54,280 --> 04:02:54,820
Okay.

2500
04:02:56,060 --> 04:02:56,380
Okay.

2501
04:02:57,820 --> 04:02:58,540
Ms. Nishau.

2502
04:02:59,460 --> 04:03:00,140
Thank you, Madam Chair.

2503
04:03:00,640 --> 04:03:03,740
I did have just a couple more questions or comments.

2504
04:03:05,420 --> 04:03:12,320
One thing that I'm not sure we've discussed yet is sort of the pedestrian circulation.

2505
04:03:13,960 --> 04:03:20,860
One of the first, I should be complimentary, you know, if there's any, if there's a personal

2506
04:03:20,860 --> 04:03:24,820
example of the need for complete streets, this is it, because I walk in front of this property

2507
04:03:24,820 --> 04:03:32,380
almost in a daily basis, and I will be much appreciated in the sidewalk, I'll go in there.

2508
04:03:32,960 --> 04:03:41,120
But what I've observed also is the occasional pedestrian crossing east west highway midblock,

2509
04:03:41,120 --> 04:03:49,940
And so I'm mindful of that with the anchor moving in and also with what has been, I guess,

2510
04:03:51,060 --> 04:03:57,360
directed west of Bellcrest with the fence near the pedestrian bridge.

2511
04:03:58,560 --> 04:04:08,140
So that may be a little outside of our ability to influence here, but there might be a need for

2512
04:04:08,140 --> 04:04:15,420
consideration of the similar fence on the median, at some point there, between, I guess, this

2513
04:04:15,420 --> 04:04:20,600
property and the other side of East West Highway, because that does seem to happen.

2514
04:04:21,000 --> 04:04:27,320
There's some parking, I think, there with one of the churches that sometimes used for, I

2515
04:04:27,320 --> 04:04:35,820
think, the community college or other areas nearby, so there's some pedestrian activity

2516
04:04:35,820 --> 04:04:44,240
It goes across east west, so I don't know if this is the point to necessarily put in the

2517
04:04:44,240 --> 04:04:49,900
fence, but I would certainly like to highlight that as a concern, it might become more

2518
04:04:49,900 --> 04:04:51,180
prominent over time.

2519
04:04:53,840 --> 04:05:00,700
The other thing I'd just highlight as well is the anchor tenant safely that's coming in

2520
04:05:00,700 --> 04:05:08,360
than fairly proactive, I think nationally, in the region, specifically with some of its environmental aspects.

2521
04:05:08,540 --> 04:05:15,560
I think some of these are noted in the staff report, but I just also mentioned that, but we've, it's

2522
04:05:15,560 --> 04:05:24,700
the Fezda and only establishments have obtained a legal certification, which I think is outstanding.

2523
04:05:24,700 --> 04:05:29,280
And hopefully there might be something along those lines planned here.

2524
04:05:29,740 --> 04:05:35,460
And I didn't know if that was already determined or planned if you had any insights on that as well.

2525
04:05:36,420 --> 04:05:40,980
And this comes up on other cases that we've had and we've discussed as you know,

2526
04:05:41,280 --> 04:05:46,860
and the board knows you don't qualify or get certification until the project is constructed.

2527
04:05:47,500 --> 04:05:53,240
However, we do intend to incorporate meet elements towards a scorecard.

2528
04:05:53,240 --> 04:05:58,420
We don't quite know how we're going to actually calculate out, but, you know, we're doing

2529
04:05:58,420 --> 04:05:58,800
thing.

2530
04:05:59,120 --> 04:06:03,340
First of all, most, you know, we are meeting the 10% TCC requirement, which on the

2531
04:06:03,340 --> 04:06:07,520
infill urban development is a lot harder than it sounds.

2532
04:06:07,920 --> 04:06:13,160
We are meeting that, which incorporates some redelements, stormwater management through ESD,

2533
04:06:13,260 --> 04:06:14,140
quantity and quality.

2534
04:06:14,700 --> 04:06:17,820
That's important, and the town was very interested in that.

2535
04:06:17,820 --> 04:06:32,980
We're doing 100% quantity for a 100-year storm quantity as well as 50% of additional impervious and 100% of existing impervious.

2536
04:06:33,960 --> 04:06:44,460
We intend to use low emitting materials, water-efficient landscaping, kind of like a trip element, construction, waste management practices, reduction of light pollution.

2537
04:06:44,460 --> 04:06:59,060
There's a condition in the approval to reduce the foot canals along democracy along the church side, the public alternate transportation being set close to the metro, community connectivity and site selection for infill.

2538
04:06:59,940 --> 04:07:06,740
So, I don't know what those are going to score out as, but we are looking at those through MBA and the architect as well as our landscape design.

2539
04:07:06,740 --> 04:07:14,640
So I can't answer definitively right now, but there are green elements that we would count towards lead within this project.

2540
04:07:20,650 --> 04:07:26,990
So with that, I would just respectfully request the board's approval, including the amendments as well as the revised condition and finding.

2541
04:07:27,510 --> 04:07:28,490
Thank you.

2542
04:07:28,730 --> 04:07:28,790
Thank you.

2543
04:07:28,790 --> 04:07:29,550
Any other questions?

2544
04:07:29,770 --> 04:07:31,350
Mr. Tidesko at this time.

2545
04:07:31,570 --> 04:07:32,310
Anyone else?

2546
04:07:32,830 --> 04:07:32,890
Okay.

2547
04:07:33,210 --> 04:07:33,790
Thank you.

2548
04:07:33,850 --> 04:07:34,450
Thank you.

2549
04:07:36,430 --> 04:07:36,690
Motion.

2550
04:07:37,570 --> 04:07:42,210
Madam Chair, I would like to move that we adopt the findings of staff.

2551
04:07:42,210 --> 04:08:11,570
And recommend to the district council approval of a request that changes to the use table and the minimum height of the building and approve amendments to P1 P52 and S-8 and approve DSP-05084-02 along with the Associated Conditions is outlined in SAS memo dated October

2552
04:08:11,570 --> 04:08:21,130
24, 24, and as revised or augmented as outlined and applicant exhibit number one, there

2553
04:08:21,130 --> 04:08:30,190
will be a change to transportation-related finding as well as revision to condition one

2554
04:08:30,190 --> 04:08:40,370
I and a new condition one zero, which was read into the record earlier, but I guess for the

2555
04:08:40,370 --> 04:08:46,890
take a clarity. I'll restate it and it reads as follows. The applicant shall explore the

2556
04:08:46,890 --> 04:08:55,710
possibility of providing a bus slash taxi stop along its frontage of American boulevard

2557
04:08:56,370 --> 04:09:03,590
and in comma and if feasible shall provide said stop with shelter.

2558
04:09:10,690 --> 04:09:18,550
We have a motion and the second is there's discussion, all in favour of the motion.

2559
04:09:19,510 --> 04:09:20,110
Opposed?

2560
04:09:20,510 --> 04:09:21,210
Yes, have it.

2561
04:09:21,570 --> 04:09:30,630
We need to take item 10 and ensure that the resolution is corrected to reflect the action just

2562
04:09:32,990 --> 04:09:37,210
We have a motion in the second, is your discussion, all in favor?

2563
04:09:38,470 --> 04:09:40,150
Opposed, the eyes have it.

2564
04:09:40,150 --> 04:09:41,990
Item five was removed from the agenda.

2565
04:09:42,230 --> 04:09:42,650
I take it.

2566
04:09:42,670 --> 04:09:43,990
We have no item three, right?

2567
04:09:44,090 --> 04:09:45,450
And I'm going to hurry up and ask this question.

2568
04:09:45,570 --> 04:09:48,190
Is there any additional business to come before planning board today?

2569
04:09:48,450 --> 04:09:49,110
Hearing none.

2570
04:09:49,650 --> 04:09:51,570
Planning board is adjourned.

2571
04:09:53,050 --> 04:09:53,330
Thank you.

2572
04:09:55,230 --> 04:09:55,690
All right.

2573
04:09:56,910 --> 04:09:58,330
Happy Turkish reading, everyone.

2574
04:10:10,810 --> 04:10:13,930
We turn out like this dog.

2575
04:10:16,310 --> 04:10:19,210
We go to the higher part of the dog.

2576
04:10:20,130 --> 04:10:21,330
How are you?

2577
04:10:23,390 --> 04:10:25,910
I'm talking about all my videos.