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>> First, I want to make sure that -- I want to thank

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everybody for showing up, whether it's here or online.

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Thank you, guys, for being here. I'll start with the invocation.

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Heavenly father, we ask for your guidance, wisdom and support as

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we begin this meeting. We gather here today intent on

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doing good work. We seek to present fairly and

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well. Those who gives us this task,

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help us to engage in meaningful discussion.

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Bless this community, it's residences, businesses and

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visitors. Help us to continue doing good

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work in your name, amen. Call to order, roll call,

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please. >> Council member Hollingshead?

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>> Here. >> Council member Bracken?

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>> Council member Davis? >> Yes.

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>> Council member brooks? >> Yes.

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>> Council member Dietz? >> Yes.

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Mayor gray? Yes.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,

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under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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>> I'll go ahead and start with council comments.

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I'm not sure if everybody could see back there but I have a pink

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ribbon on today. Unfortunately, I lost a close

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friend to breast cancer about a week ago.

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Um, and it is just too much. I feel like every few days, I'm

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finding out either one of my friends has cancer or passed

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away from cancer and it's a lot. And it's hard.

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time for me. And really upsetting.

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At the same time, it has made me reflect my relationship with my

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family and friends and I'm just asking you guys to do the same,

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because it is hard out there and, you know, it's even harder

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when you get cancer. Um, tonight, um, it's going to

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be a very passionate night. I expect it.

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I want it. We should all want it.

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Um, but what we are going to do tonight is we're going to be

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respectful. We're going to be respectful to

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each other. We're going to be respectful in

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this room. Give it the decorum it deserves.

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I do not want to see clapping and cheering.

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This is not a ball game. This is serious stuff.

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And with that, I'm done. Council member Hollingshead?

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>> No comment tonight, thank you.

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>> Council member Bracken? >> No comment.

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>> Council member Davis. >> Thank you to all the people

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who showed up to the open house last Tuesday.

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Also a reminder that everybody here is having -- all of us will

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be having an open house in the next week or two.

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I encourage you to come out and speak your voice and ask your

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questions. I got to meet a lot of you guys

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on Tuesday. That was great.

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It's nice to hear from you and direct you to the people that

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have the answers for you, so, um, if you guys live in Meadows

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-- I'm sure most of you don't -- but just know that other ones

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are coming up soon, and I encourage to you go to those as

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well. >> Thank you, council member

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Davis. Council member Brooks?

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>> Thank you, mayor. This isn't something that comes

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up on the town's website but I want to make sure that folks,

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anyone in my neck of the woods or anyone that gets up to the

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plum creek or ridge road area, there's a tremendous amount of

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dirt being moved up there. You won't find it on the town

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site because it's not town property.

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It's unincorporated Douglas county.

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going in up there? Folks worry there's a bunch of

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homes going in. I wish that there were homes

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going in. It's actually going to be a core

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substation. If you're familiar with the area

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four corners, there's King Kupp Soopers there and the sub-- King

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Soopers there and that's the substation on what we'll see.

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It's unfortunate. It's not town property.

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Unincorporated Douglas county. Thank you, commissioner.

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I think we all want us to charge up our devices and have lights

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in our homes, too. I want to make sure that

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everybody understands what that is and put to bed some of the

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rumors. That's all I've got.

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>> Thank you, everybody. I'm going to simply touch on

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something about downtown. There's nothing in it other than

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the history of what was the DRB, design review board it used to

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decide town projects. Now by a 7-0 vote, it only does

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10,000 square feet and under. Just want people to understand

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there's a history and a need for it in the past, but I was always

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leary about the fact that it didn't represent the taxpayers

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and come to council for a full vote.

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I think the processes in town deserve to be fully understood

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and every process needs to be heard no matter what it is.

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your town council. Anything in the past, that was

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done up by the design review board and we really can't change

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it anymore. I found some things to be

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unfortunate, but with that said and the developing things, I

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just felt like there should be more responsible growth in that

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procedure. Going forward as Mayor Gray

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noted, we can make Castle Rock even greater and better.

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I see a lot of developers up there, too.

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Look at things we can do to make downtown and the other areas

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even better. As a council, we can get it done

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but we need your help. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, council member Dietz.

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Mayor Pro Tem Cavey? >> No comment tonight, mayor.

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>> Thank you. With that, this time is reserved

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for members of the public to make presentations to the

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council on items or issues that aren't scheduled in the agenda.

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council make any decisions on items

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presented during this time, rather will refer the items to

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staff for follow up. Comments are limited to three

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minutes per speaker. Time will be limited to 30

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minutes. Residents will be given priority

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(in the order they signed up) to address Council, followed by

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non-residents representing Castle Rock businesses, then

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non-residents and businesses outside the Town of Castle Rock,

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as time permits. council is also accepting public

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comments admitted online by 1:00 p.m. to be included in public

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record. I have a lot of people signed up

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to speak. If anyone wishes to speak,

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please report to the podium after we are all done.

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So I will figure out, um -- I do not have a way of doing this

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first and second because there's just -- it's kind of hard to

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tell who signed up first and last.

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I have Karl signed up. Is that for scheduled or

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unscheduled? This is not signed up here.

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It doesn't say here if you're signed up.

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Are you -- I know, but which side are you speaking on?

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Which item are you speaking on? OK but on agenda item #16 then?

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Agenda item #16. Most people are signed up for

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agenda item #16. I was just making sure.

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I have Dean on the schedule. Wait until we get to item #16.

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>> Thank you. My name is Dean.

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I ran for council in district 3 and lost.

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I say that out loud at the start because it matters to what comes

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next. I asked the voters to hire me.

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They picked someone else. I accepted it.

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You follow the process and the process gives you an answer and

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you live with the answer, even when it's not what you wanted.

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That is why the August 18th meeting bothered me.

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A member of the design review board came to unscheduled public

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comments with printouts of testaments that he says came

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from a sitting council member. No one authenticated them.

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No one had the chance to. As soon as public comment

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closed, council member Hollingshead moved to censure

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the member. Council member Bracken seconded.

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Mayor Gray backed it. It was not on the agenda.

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No notice. No verification.

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No chance for the accused member to respond.

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It failed 3-3. Censure is a formal judgment by

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this body against one of its own.

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In this town, it takes more process to get a permit than it

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took that night to try to brand a colleague.

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I'm not asking to you decide tonight whether that accusation

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was true. I'm telling you you had no way

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to know and you moved any way. That is not leadership.

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Leadership is saying we will hear this and we will hear it

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correctly. On the agenda with the evidence

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verified, with the member given the chance to answer.

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Three of you were willing to be that person.

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Three of you were not. There's a second thing.

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The man who brought the accusations sits on the design

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review board in the downtown development authority.

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This Council appoints both. Both shapes what happened

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downtown and he owns a business downtown.

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A Council appointee with a financial stake in what those

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boards decide stood at this podium and asked you to censure

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an elected official. Not one person on the dais asked

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about that. So two requests, put a written

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censure process on a future agenda.

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Notice, verified evidence, a right to respond and a standard

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applied the same way to everyone.

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And adopt a disclosure rule for board of appointees so if

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someone that sits on the council-appointed board comes to

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>> Thank you, Dean. Moving onto unscheduled

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I'm a business owner downtown and a resident in downtown.

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The thing that I will start with and comment -- and I know we're

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not supposed to respond, but my response to that gentleman that

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just left is ask the question: did Mark Davis admit

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to sending these text? Yes, he did.

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Did Mark Davis admit to now deleting these text?

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Yes, he did. So, I'm here to renew my request

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that Council formally censure Mark Davis and join me in asking

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him to step down. He discussed offering buildings,

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town alleys and playing hard ball.

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He texted me this. I'll drop getting rid of the DRB

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if you get a recall. This is not my issue.

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Who cares at this point? Before, the structure was also

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the town council reviewed anything that the DRB did.

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Still remains that way. So now I have a political

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operative connected to several council members that have filed

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a Colorado open records act request seeking records

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involving me even though that board, DRB we're talking about,

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haven't met about anything meaningful in months.

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So now they go to get my records for the last month.

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Again no meetings have occurred. So if that is playing hard ball,

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Mr. Davis, I receive your message.

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I am back here to play hard ball now.

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This has just begun and in my judgment, it's just another

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attempt by you to do this. I offered you conversation,

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Mr. Dietz. I offered you conversation.

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I offered you all a conversation.

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This does not stop with me. This is not just me that's part

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of this. I formally request a town.

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Tomorrow, I'm going to formally request a town perform a formal

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investigation into these text messages.

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This is beyond me. This is beyond normal research

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that's going on. This is much bigger.

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And from the town, I'm asking Douglas county get involved and

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from Douglas county, I'm asking that the state AGE get involved

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in the text messages because, Mr. Davis, you sent us text

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messages. You could have picked up the

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phone and called me. There would have been no

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records. But you sent text messages.

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This is corruption plain and simple and a censure needs to

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happen. This council should join me in

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asking Mark Davis to step down. If you don't, you're a party to

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it, because you know it happened.

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These text messages he shared with you, he apologized to you

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all for sending these text messages.

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You know and you knew. And now you certainly know it by

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now. So do something about this.

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contact me. This is not just me.

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>> Good evening. I would like to thank theTown

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Council for putting on this agenda this evening.

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Initiative 109 protect girls sports act.

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I hope every single member of ofthe town council votes in favr

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of this initiative. That's a much worthy endeavor

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than attempting to censure a fellow board member.

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With that, let's talk about censuring.

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At the last council meeting, Hollingshead and Bracken along

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with mayor Gray were quick to call for a censure of a

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councilman. I'd like to point out a few

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things about Hollingshead and Bracken in 2024, Hollingshead

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did not remove himself from discussions regarding DCSD's MLO

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bond. He voted and advocated in favor

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of this bond. Hollingshead is the principal

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within the DCSD system. Of course , he'd advocate for a

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raise for himself. He should have recused himself.

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That would have been the ethical thing to do Similarly, last

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week, there was a discussion of the ordinance regarding DCSD in

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and the Town of Castle Rock regarding land.

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As an employee of DCSD, Hollingshead should have removed

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himself. He chose not to.

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Bracken, let's fairly discuss Bracken.

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We all know why he fell asleep at the dais in 2023.

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He knows that we know why he fell asleep.

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We also know he didn't fulfill his duties as Mayor Pro Tem

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costing him timely cost of living increases for the town

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manager and other staff. Regarding the last meeting, I'd

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like to point out that members of the design review board

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presented the town council with text messages.

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Three of the town council members, specifically

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Hollingshead, Bracken and the mayor very much knew about these

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text messages. Four members -- it was very

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obvious if you look at the video -- did not, that would be Cavey,

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Davis, brooks and Dietz. Now, I'm not an investigator but

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since we're discussing, let's open an investigation.

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Let's discuss possible open meeting law violations as Gray,

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back aren and Hollingshead were very familiar with those text

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messages. Thank you very much and have a

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good evening and thank you, all, for your service.

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>> Thank you, Amy. Next is Casey.

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>> I apologize, I did not have the agenda sheet.

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This is for the Chateau Valley. >> I can go ahead and put you

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down for Chateau Valley. >> Right now?

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>> Not now but I'll put you down on the list.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Chris Weir. Chateau Valley?

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>> Yes. >> OK.

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Matt Smith. You want to talk on that one?

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OK. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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Matt Smith and Jimmy grand #17. Clifford Hancock.

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>> 17. >> There we go.

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18, 18. 19.

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16. And Patty?

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>> 17. >> There we go.

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OK. I have no one else to speak.

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If you would wish to speak, approach the podium and speak in

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the microphone. Tell us if you're a resident,

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nonresident or a business owner or visitor.

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>> Thank you, mayor and council. I signed up back there.

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She still has the sheet. What I wanted to bring up

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tonight was riding coach line. Sunday, I noticed there's a

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difference in the bike lanes, painting the lines.

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And the old section of coach line has a large central median

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area. And the bike lanes are not

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proper bike lanes in that portion.

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And seeing that there's a large central median, seems to me that

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you could match the newer section of coach line, the

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newly-painted area that has the official bike lane size and has

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a smaller central median, um. I would like to ask to see if

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Public Works could see into looking into that so both

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sections of coach line match. Thank you.

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>> Thank you very much. Again, I have no one else who

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signed up to speak. If anyone wishes to speak,

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please approach the podium and speak into the microphone.

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Tell us if you're a resident, nonresident, business owner or

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visitor. Seeing none, we'll move on.

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>> A few items for us to go through this evening.

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Got a number of calendar reminders as has been previously

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mentioned. We have a number of open houses

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we want to encourage the public to attend.

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We've also scheduled a tour for the new sports center.

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Council member Davis asked for an updated tour on that.

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Some of you asked recently. If you want to go with Mark and

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I and Brian Patterson, the project manager, we'll meet at

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the site at 5:00. I ask you let me know ahead of

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time to make sure that you have your hard hat and vest and all

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of that stuff. We'll get you something.

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So if that works for you all -- if you would like a tour and

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that September 9th date does not work, let me know and parks

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and rec is doing a great job, Brian, Jeff, others involved in

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that project. It's moving along really well.

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It's really interesting to see right now.

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So if you got an opportunity to come on the 9th, great.

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If not, let me know and we'll get you in there when it's

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convenient for you. You see those dates and a number

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of other events underway. You're going on into October.

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Be sure to get those on your calendars.

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Got a number of community-wide events we have going on as well.

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You see that. We're winding down a little bit

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on some of the events that we had.

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Parks and recreation had a record-breaking year for their

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concerts. So congratulations to them for

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that work. Again, walking through this

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because I'm not trying to spend too much time this evening.

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We have a number of neighborhood meetings that are underway.

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I think we're generally familiar with these projects.

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The ridgeview project is off of ridge road.

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It's really right across the street from the King Soopers

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that's being proposed for business commercial uses there

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as well. That's an annexation into the

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town. Consideration for that property.

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Um, just a reminder, appreciate the council members giving me

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time to brief on the budget. So we'll be introducing that

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budget at your next council meeting.

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Then in October, we're considering first and second

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readings on the budget. Because the evaluation

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information lags a little bit, we won't have the final numbers

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until December 1st for a second reading on that.

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As you know, um, we're very dependent upon sales tax.

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$100 million of sales tax. $1.5 million of property tax.

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It's still an important revenue source, but we're able to

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proceed with budget adoption before that number is finalized.

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It's interesting, some of the early numbers we've seen is that

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the, um, excuse me, the assessed valuation for Castle Rock has

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actually gone down. You're seeing the moderation of

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a number of values within the community.

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One other thing I just wanted to confirm with council that

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council is good to move -- we obviously to cancel the

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fireworks on the 4th of July, but we'd like to be able

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to still have the same contractor come out and we have

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fireworks on November 11th. I don't know what the weather is

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going to be like on that, but we do know that it will be

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hopefully a little bit more moderate as well and maybe even

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some snow on the ground. We also know that the sun will

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be going down sooner so we won't wait until 9:30 for the

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fireworks but we'll let you know on that date.

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Is that acceptable for council? I send you information on that.

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Is there anyone that has a concern?

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OK. In the same memo -- you're not

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deciding this now. You'll decide it when you

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consider the Title IX ordinance -- both the fire chief and I are

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recommending we change our ban on fireworks.

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Right now, we ban the use at stage 1 and the sale at stage 2.

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Our recommendation is to ban the sale and the use at stage 1 in

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regards to fire restrictions. Don't need to decide that now.

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We put it all on the same memo where Norris was talking about

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moving that, but you will get an opportunity when your discussion

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on the Title IX criminal code rework as well.

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With that, I'm going to invite Mark Marlowe, the head of our

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water department, to give us an update on the drought and water

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conditions. >> Good evening, Mayor and

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Council. I have a quick update for

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everyone on the drought condition.

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First thing I really want to note is that the drought is not

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over. You can see here what Douglas

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County's current drought conditions look like.

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So there are still significantly worse conditions than there were

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in May, so we're not out of the drought, however, we've seen

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some improvement. The map on the right shows

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precipitation. There's been a little bit of

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precipitation in Douglas County, but the temperatures have

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remained high, so that's the chart on your left with all of

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the orange and yellow and as I have said before, orange, red

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and yellow are not great colors when it comes to the drought.

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Locally, specifically in Castle Rock in terms of our four

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weather stations, the historical weather, you can see that

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temperatures have continued to stay well above the highs that

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we've experienced in the past in July and August.

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And rainfall is still significantly below what we

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typically see in this time of year.

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There has been a little bit of improvement in Plum Creek.

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As you can see here, there are a few peaks in the hydrograph that

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shows that we had rain and it peaked up in a short period of

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time which is good. The storage in the reservoirs is

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in a reasonably good shape for this time of year.

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This -- you've seen this before -- this contains the south flat.

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You can see the black line is the important line.

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It's down near the bottom of this chart which shows that it's

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a very poor water year, below average water year.

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Continues to be very challenging from a water stand poind.

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Near record lows, in fact. I'm sure you're all familiar

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with the conditions at Lake Mead and Lake Powell.

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This is a state issue. Less of an issue for Castle Rock

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specifically. Believe it or not, Castle Rock

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does get a little bit of water from the Colorado river through

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our wise agreement with Denver and Aurora.

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So we get a little bit. It is in bad shape.

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They're in the lowest levels ever since they were

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constructed. Last year, it was a low snowpack

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year. It's causing the reservoirs some

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serious problems. In terms of the outlook, it does

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look like we're expected to get a little bit more rain than we

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normally would as we go into the fall; however, the temperatures

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are expected to continue to stay higher than they normally would

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as we go into the fall. Today might have been an

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indication of that. It was pretty hot.

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Um, this is just over the course of the whole year.

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Again, red is bad and brown is bad.

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Um, so you can see we've had some of the warmest months on

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record over the course of the year.

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July was the second warmest on record.

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A lot of warm weather. August, we don't have final

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results on where it stood in terms of the record, but it was

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definitely warmer than we would like.

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Despite all that as I noted, we have seen some improvement, so

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we've seen a little bit of rain. We've also seen a little bit of

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cooler temperatures as we get into September, even though the

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temperatures may be higher than we typically see in -- or

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September -- they're still much lower than what we were seeing

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in July and obviously August so that's helpful.

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The other thing to note is the community did respond to the

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stage 2 drought. I -- you know, I want to thank

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the community for their response.

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Through the first part of July, we were running

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18 million gallons a day and since we went into stage 2, we

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dropped that average daily demand to about 14.8, which is

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about a 20% reduction. That is very helpful and I think

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very good. And given the state of Colorado

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and the current situation with the drought, I think it's a

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good, um, indicator of what our citizens are doing to help and

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ensure we're being responsible with water resources.

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Given, however, the improvement in the creek, the rainfall, the

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lower temperatures that we're going to see as we go into the

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fall, we are recommending that we go ahead and drop back to a

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stage 1 drought declaration which what that does is takes us

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back to a voluntary conservation request from our customers and

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people can go back to the every third day per week watering if

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they would like; however, we certainly encourage folks if

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you've got your timer already set for two days a week, just

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stay on your two-day-a-week watering.

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I will tell you that my neighbors seem to be doing very

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well with that. Their grass looks good and

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they're watering two days a week.

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I think that folks will find two-day-a-week watering could be

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pretty effective. It will increase the roots,

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especially if you let the grass grow a little bit longer than

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you might normally let it grow. Um, and, you know, that's really

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all I have for you guys. Recommend drop back to stage 1.

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>> Council member Brooks? >> Mr. mayor, thank you.

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A couple of questions, sir. Just with the -- you know, as

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our friends in Denver -- I know they have gone to shutting

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everything off as far as water supply for irrigation in

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October, I believe. You have many folks in here know

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that we get that delivery from Denver rural water as part of

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the wise water agreement. So just curious, has there been

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any sort of insinuation we should do the same thing because

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we get some of our water from Denver?

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Has there been any pressure from Denver water along those lines?

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>> No. Um, Denver water has certainly

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not pressured us to do anything relative to that.

484
00:32:42,858 --> 00:32:46,994
Obviously, all of the water utilities across the front range

485
00:32:46,994 --> 00:32:52,670
try to coordinate when it's a statewide issue like it is from

486
00:32:52,670 --> 00:32:54,202
a drought standpoint and we try to work together.

487
00:32:54,202 --> 00:32:58,807
We certainly do get watter from Denver and Aurora and the wise

488
00:32:58,807 --> 00:33:01,743
water actually went through some periods this summer where it was

489
00:33:01,743 --> 00:33:08,343
reduced and restricted and it was in response to the drought.

490
00:33:09,751 --> 00:33:12,888
But Denver and Aurora didn't tell us we had to do anything in

491
00:33:12,888 --> 00:33:15,223
particular with respect to the agreement, and the agreement

492
00:33:15,223 --> 00:33:17,426
does not call for that. The agreement does allow for

493
00:33:17,426 --> 00:33:22,564
Denver and Aurora to shut off the wise connection 2 out of

494
00:33:22,564 --> 00:33:25,833
every 10 years in response to significant drought conditions.

495
00:33:25,833 --> 00:33:29,570
But they didn't do it this year. >> I know they can interrupt.

496
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:30,972
That's fine. Just one other question.

497
00:33:30,972 --> 00:33:34,420
I know the rebate program in Castle Rock has been very

498
00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:39,180
successful tearing up turf and putting in what they call

499
00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:41,116
roughscape. Obviously, there are guidelines

500
00:33:41,116 --> 00:33:44,319
that need to be adhered to with that, but there's a rebate

501
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:46,254
option there. I was just curious if your

502
00:33:46,254 --> 00:33:49,391
department has had any conversations or any discussions

503
00:33:49,391 --> 00:33:52,594
-- because right now, my understanding is that it is for

504
00:33:52,594 --> 00:33:55,463
the front yard only. I only very recently learned

505
00:33:55,463 --> 00:33:57,650
through a conversation I had with a constituent that it does

506
00:33:57,650 --> 00:34:01,136
not include the backyard. Is that something that perhaps

507
00:34:01,136 --> 00:34:04,339
you might look at doing in the future since irrigated turf is

508
00:34:04,339 --> 00:34:09,770
irrigated turf, irrespective of the front versus backyard and

509
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:12,347
really people have a lot more of it in the backyard.

510
00:34:12,347 --> 00:34:13,949
>> Absolutely, council member Brooks.

511
00:34:13,949 --> 00:34:15,683
We discussed that many times. Earlier on in the program, there

512
00:34:15,683 --> 00:34:20,288
was a strong desire to ensure we were getting Colorado scape in

513
00:34:20,288 --> 00:34:26,288
front of folks so they can see the transformation and

514
00:34:26,895 --> 00:34:29,564
understanding what those Colorado scapes look like.

515
00:34:29,564 --> 00:34:32,567
Going forward, that's absolutely something we'll look at in terms

516
00:34:32,567 --> 00:34:38,439
of reducing that irrigated turf, which irrigated turf, as you

517
00:34:38,439 --> 00:34:41,176
know very well, is one of the biggest challenges that the

518
00:34:41,176 --> 00:34:42,310
whole state has with respect to water.

519
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:45,180
>> Thank you. Um, council member Bracken?

520
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:49,500
>> Yes, Mr. Marlowe, can you explain the availability of

521
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:54,450
water for the current proposed projects and future projects?

522
00:34:55,724 --> 00:34:57,658
And then how it relates to the drought?

523
00:34:57,658 --> 00:35:00,929
Because I'm getting some feedback from the community that

524
00:35:00,929 --> 00:35:05,933
we can't, you know, we can't water our grass because there's

525
00:35:05,933 --> 00:35:08,690
a neighborhood going in here or there's a project planned over

526
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:10,471
here and that's why we can't water our grass.

527
00:35:10,471 --> 00:35:14,800
Can you just clarify the availability for current water,

528
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,880
future water and then how it relates to the drought in the

529
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,750
temporary nature of the drought and why?

530
00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:26,350
>> Yes, thank you, Council member Bracken.

531
00:35:26,354 --> 00:35:30,758
The bottom line is the drought is a temporary disturbance.

532
00:35:30,758 --> 00:35:35,897
Think of it like this: if you are making a certain income and

533
00:35:35,897 --> 00:35:39,501
your hours are reduced at work or you temporarily lose a job,

534
00:35:39,501 --> 00:35:43,305
you're going to reduce your discretionary spending in

535
00:35:43,305 --> 00:35:46,508
response to that. That does not necessarily mean

536
00:35:46,508 --> 00:35:48,377
you're going to cap your future spending.

537
00:35:48,377 --> 00:35:53,177
That's one example. It's kind of a temporary

538
00:35:55,851 --> 00:35:57,853
increase in available supplies in response to a historic

539
00:35:57,853 --> 00:35:59,788
drought. And the main issue really comes

540
00:35:59,788 --> 00:36:04,993
down to a peak demand issue, not a total water supply issue.

541
00:36:04,993 --> 00:36:11,593
Um, the two issues are obviously -- there's a small connection

542
00:36:11,933 --> 00:36:16,670
between water usage and drought. But at the end of the day, the

543
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:19,808
bottom line is it does not impact the long-term future of

544
00:36:19,808 --> 00:36:24,110
the water supply. We're able to plan for the new

545
00:36:24,110 --> 00:36:26,748
development and ensure that those water resources are in

546
00:36:26,748 --> 00:36:33,870
place for new development. And a drought does not mean that

547
00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:36,687
we cannot provide for new development.

548
00:36:36,758 --> 00:36:40,495
>> OK, and so we have enough water for build out for the

549
00:36:40,495 --> 00:36:46,495
future planned areas across all town, not just one --

550
00:36:46,568 --> 00:36:50,238
>> Let me -- let me, um, let me help clarify a little bit.

551
00:36:50,238 --> 00:36:53,975
So new development comes into the town, they're required to

552
00:36:53,975 --> 00:36:59,375
provide two-acre feet for every one-acre foot of demand

553
00:37:00,524 --> 00:37:01,592
that that new development will use.

554
00:37:01,592 --> 00:37:05,328
So those water resources are provided before the development

555
00:37:05,328 --> 00:37:11,328
moves forward and is approved. Those new developments also pay

556
00:37:12,469 --> 00:37:14,605
for renewable water supplies through the system development

557
00:37:14,605 --> 00:37:18,142
fees to ensure that that development will have the

558
00:37:18,142 --> 00:37:21,544
supplies that they need for that development.

559
00:37:21,544 --> 00:37:26,550
So it's not a case where we're, um, allowing new development to

560
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:29,820
go forward without water rights and water supplies in place for

561
00:37:29,820 --> 00:37:34,900
that new development. Um, for the development that's

562
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:37,428
already been approved for zoning, Castle Rock water has to

563
00:37:37,428 --> 00:37:40,960
plan for those developments to happen, period.

564
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,568
And so with a development that's already been approved for

565
00:37:44,568 --> 00:37:46,703
zoning, it's already provided those water rights and it's

566
00:37:46,703 --> 00:37:50,507
already committed to pay for the additional renewable water

567
00:37:50,507 --> 00:37:54,311
supplies that they will need as a part of that development.

568
00:37:54,311 --> 00:37:57,647
>> Thank you for clarifying, because it has nothing to do

569
00:37:57,647 --> 00:38:01,510
with this project. This is talking about all of

570
00:38:01,510 --> 00:38:02,853
town, right? All of town, and the ability for

571
00:38:02,853 --> 00:38:06,990
us to provide water for our residents.

572
00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:08,525
Thank you, sir. >> Thank you.

573
00:38:08,525 --> 00:38:11,327
>> Thank you, Mark. Any further questions for Mark?

574
00:38:11,327 --> 00:38:16,127
Thank you. >> Going to come up and provide

575
00:38:17,534 --> 00:38:20,137
a brief update on some items before the development services

576
00:38:20,137 --> 00:38:23,737
department. >> Council, this is your update

577
00:38:30,146 --> 00:38:32,816
on new quasi-judicial applications and

578
00:38:32,816 --> 00:38:35,819
pre-applications that have been submitted since the last time I

579
00:38:35,819 --> 00:38:40,357
presented to you all. We have a couple new quasiDujail

580
00:38:40,357 --> 00:38:43,957
applications. These are former land use

581
00:38:44,361 --> 00:38:46,830
applications that have been submitted and are under staff

582
00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:48,565
review and going to future public hearings.

583
00:38:48,565 --> 00:38:52,350
In council member Davis' district, we have a submittal

584
00:38:52,350 --> 00:38:59,576
for motors, north end of town. They have to go through Rouse by

585
00:38:59,576 --> 00:39:01,845
special review site development plan to utilize this property

586
00:39:01,845 --> 00:39:06,583
for auto sales. This is a plan for after the

587
00:39:06,583 --> 00:39:12,583
existing church lease expires. At 422 Front Street this home is

588
00:39:15,325 --> 00:39:17,260
requesting to go through landmark designation.

589
00:39:17,260 --> 00:39:20,130
That goes through historic preservation board and town

590
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:21,465
council. On the south end of downtown,

591
00:39:21,465 --> 00:39:26,265
this is a proposed Quiktrip convenience store fueling

592
00:39:26,603 --> 00:39:30,340
station & car wash. This is south of Plum Creek

593
00:39:30,340 --> 00:39:35,740
parkway West of Wilcox Street. In council member Dietz'

594
00:39:35,879 --> 00:39:41,279
district, we have a proposed wireless cellular facility at

595
00:39:41,351 --> 00:39:44,955
Fire station 152. And then the rest of these are

596
00:39:44,955 --> 00:39:47,758
preapplications. These are not formal submittals

597
00:39:47,758 --> 00:39:53,158
at this time. Every project is required to go

598
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:56,833
through the process to understand what theirs is,

599
00:39:56,833 --> 00:39:57,834
administrative or public hearing.

600
00:39:57,834 --> 00:40:03,834
We're operating at 30% of these turn into real applications in

601
00:40:04,842 --> 00:40:08,442
District 4, Texas Roadhouse has a preapplication.

602
00:40:09,713 --> 00:40:12,850
There are three pads if you've been out to the outlet malls

603
00:40:12,850 --> 00:40:16,519
with new parking around them so this is one of their future

604
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,856
planned developments. Full-service restaurant with bar

605
00:40:18,856 --> 00:40:23,126
and patio. 850, this is south of the outlet

606
00:40:23,126 --> 00:40:29,726
mall, a proposed quick quack car wash where the existing Black

607
00:40:31,335 --> 00:40:32,335
eyed Pease restaurant is located.

608
00:40:32,335 --> 00:40:36,140
In the on corps building south of downtown, there's a new bank

609
00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:40,678
that's moving into it. Tenant suite looking to make

610
00:40:40,678 --> 00:40:44,278
interior and exterior changes for commerce.

611
00:40:44,614 --> 00:40:50,487
404 Perry, this property is referred to as the Perry Street

612
00:40:50,487 --> 00:40:52,556
social property. There's an applicant looking to

613
00:40:52,556 --> 00:40:59,156
change that property into a parking lot with a pay kiosk.

614
00:41:00,163 --> 00:41:02,163
200 Perry street. Emporium.

615
00:41:02,433 --> 00:41:07,571
Application to add more on the rear of the building.

616
00:41:07,571 --> 00:41:10,974
They would retain the silo structure adjacent to the

617
00:41:10,974 --> 00:41:14,574
railroad tracks. 505 Jerry street, proposal to

618
00:41:15,579 --> 00:41:20,517
convert the office building into a nonprofit restaurant space

619
00:41:20,517 --> 00:41:25,550
with a food truck/kitchen for the Sunday salmon organization.

620
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:28,726
Cantrell school, town-owned property, we're looking to

621
00:41:28,726 --> 00:41:35,926
resign it and clean up some of the zoning that slips through

622
00:41:36,466 --> 00:41:39,300
that property. District 5, preapplication for

623
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:42,300
the castlewood ranch Metro district.

624
00:41:42,139 --> 00:41:46,810
Looking to put a sign on the Bella Mesa property that would

625
00:41:46,810 --> 00:41:49,110
indicate when you're entering the castlewood ranch area that

626
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:54,411
would move through future town council meetings if progressed.

627
00:41:58,955 --> 00:42:01,557
District 6, auto group looking to change the area to the east

628
00:42:01,557 --> 00:42:05,828
of their building. They were planning to have a

629
00:42:05,828 --> 00:42:07,564
planning and parking in this slew area.

630
00:42:07,564 --> 00:42:10,901
They're going to propose parking and outdoor gathering shade

631
00:42:10,901 --> 00:42:14,370
structures for employees and EV charging.

632
00:42:14,370 --> 00:42:18,775
Dawson trails West of the new crystal valley interchange,

633
00:42:18,775 --> 00:42:23,380
there's a preapplication for six commercial lots in this area

634
00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:29,380
that are looking to replat it and start working on

635
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,120
installation and infrastructure. >> Any questions?

636
00:42:34,123 --> 00:42:36,126
Council member Dietz? >> Thank you, goes back to the

637
00:42:36,126 --> 00:42:38,662
cell towers. I think everybody in Castle Rock

638
00:42:38,662 --> 00:42:41,264
would agree we need cell tower coverage.

639
00:42:41,264 --> 00:42:45,268
That's near my home. I hope it happens.

640
00:42:45,268 --> 00:42:50,680
But are there more coming? What's the status?

641
00:42:50,273 --> 00:42:52,476
>> I don't know. As we get pre-applications,

642
00:42:52,476 --> 00:42:54,811
we'll bring 'em forward. >> That's really it for now.

643
00:42:54,811 --> 00:42:57,547
>> This is just the current one. Yeah.

644
00:42:57,547 --> 00:42:59,750
>> Thank you. >> Thank you.

645
00:42:59,750 --> 00:43:03,887
>> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey? >> Dave, just a reminder that

646
00:43:03,887 --> 00:43:08,250
that will have to be a stand-alone item on the agenda,

647
00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:10,902
because I work f other sections of the municipal code and

648
00:43:10,902 --> 00:43:14,506
technical criteria. Brief history before I turn it

649
00:43:14,506 --> 00:43:18,510
over to the applicant. This property is in the young

650
00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:21,379
American planned development. Annexed and zoned into the town

651
00:43:21,379 --> 00:43:23,515
in 1983. On this graphic, you can see

652
00:43:23,515 --> 00:43:28,915
some of the existing neighborhoods off of Elm street

653
00:43:30,455 --> 00:43:36,795
and ash street up to the north. Young American P.D. includes the

654
00:43:36,795 --> 00:43:39,640
Baldwin park estates, area that's already been constructed.

655
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,867
Remaining areas, south Memmen and up here in this northern

656
00:43:42,867 --> 00:43:47,406
area, there are 561 residential entitlements that are remaining

657
00:43:47,406 --> 00:43:51,606
for this property. The applicant is proposing 402.

658
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:57,749
They also previously dedicated 14 acres of open space that you

659
00:43:57,749 --> 00:44:03,622
can see on this graphic that is a part of the Memmen ridge open

660
00:44:03,622 --> 00:44:06,625
space and owned by the town. With that, this is the criteria

661
00:44:06,625 --> 00:44:11,430
that staff is required to review each application for.

662
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:13,899
We could bring this back up at the end.

663
00:44:13,899 --> 00:44:17,235
So right now, I'll go ahead and turn it over to Mr. hall who

664
00:44:17,235 --> 00:44:20,172
does have a traffic engineer with him.

665
00:44:20,172 --> 00:44:23,241
They'll make their presentation. Then I will come back up to

666
00:44:23,241 --> 00:44:26,778
finalize a couple of slides and then we're ready for questions.

667
00:44:26,778 --> 00:44:29,778
Thank you. >> Thank you, Tara.

668
00:44:45,596 --> 00:44:49,796
>> Thank you for that introduction, Mrs. Vargish.

669
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:54,539
Appreciate that. I'm Rusty haul.

670
00:44:54,539 --> 00:44:57,943
Our company prepared the site development plan, some of the

671
00:44:57,943 --> 00:45:02,547
engineering documents and I'm here representing the applicant,

672
00:45:02,547 --> 00:45:07,947
Chateau Valley L.L.C., for this presentation tonight.

673
00:45:17,962 --> 00:45:21,900
Chateau Valley subdivision is a proposed single-family

674
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:23,702
subdivision located in Castle Rock.

675
00:45:23,702 --> 00:45:28,106
The site consists of 112 acres located south of 5th street,

676
00:45:28,106 --> 00:45:33,506
north of Plum Creek and West of Ridge Road.

677
00:45:37,782 --> 00:45:42,720
Chateau Valley subdivision is surrounded on three sides with

678
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:46,920
residential subdivisions. Baldwin estates is located to

679
00:45:49,527 --> 00:45:52,931
the south. Glover subdivision is located to

680
00:45:52,931 --> 00:45:56,735
the West and southridge subdivision to the north.

681
00:45:56,735 --> 00:46:00,335
Chateau Valley subdivision proposes 402 single-family home

682
00:46:01,739 --> 00:46:07,739
sites and one clubhouse. 50 acres of open space or 45% of

683
00:46:08,813 --> 00:46:14,813
the site is proposed open space and proposed for trail

684
00:46:15,753 --> 00:46:17,622
connectivity and outdoor pedestrian enjoyment.

685
00:46:17,622 --> 00:46:23,427
We have over 3,700 lineal feet of concrete regional trail which

686
00:46:23,427 --> 00:46:27,765
is proposed along the existing natural channel that runs

687
00:46:27,765 --> 00:46:32,570
diagonally through the site. We have 2,800 feet of soft

688
00:46:32,570 --> 00:46:36,400
hiking trail proposed along the center and the south edge of

689
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,840
this development. The property is annexed into the

690
00:46:46,584 --> 00:46:53,570
Town of Castle Rock and has completed the PUD planning for

691
00:46:53,570 --> 00:46:56,660
land use and density. All approved by the Town of

692
00:46:56,660 --> 00:47:02,660
Castle Rock as part of the Young PUD in '83.

693
00:47:04,802 --> 00:47:09,941
Baldwin estates is located to the south and southridge

694
00:47:09,941 --> 00:47:13,477
townhomes to the north. They're already constructed and

695
00:47:13,477 --> 00:47:17,150
are not a part of Chateau Valley application.

696
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:23,150
The land use summary contained in the approved pudder PUD

697
00:47:23,487 --> 00:47:28,887
allows for 561 for the chateau. Chateau is proposing a 28%

698
00:47:30,294 --> 00:47:34,165
reduction in the allowable number of homes.

699
00:47:34,165 --> 00:47:38,503
58 acres of the subdivision is proposed open space consisting

700
00:47:38,503 --> 00:47:41,239
of 45% of the site. The open space buffers which are

701
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,430
proposed along the perimeter of all existing subdivisions and

702
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:50,243
Chateau Valley is a proposed single-family subdivision

703
00:47:50,715 --> 00:47:54,519
consisting of 148 duplex lots which are located in the center

704
00:47:54,519 --> 00:48:00,519
portion of the site and 254 lots for single family detached

705
00:48:01,393 --> 00:48:04,728
homes. The proposed site plan is

706
00:48:04,728 --> 00:48:08,928
prepared in substantial compliance with the approved

707
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,669
Young American PUD. I'd like to point out some of

708
00:48:11,669 --> 00:48:14,806
the different lot sizes we've proposed along the West and the

709
00:48:14,806 --> 00:48:19,600
south is slightly larger, 60-foot-wide home sites.

710
00:48:19,277 --> 00:48:25,277
Those were designed wider to blend in with the adjoining

711
00:48:25,483 --> 00:48:30,283
subdivisions, compatibility for density and similar lot size.

712
00:48:30,888 --> 00:48:34,692
The green homes that are proposed on the site are 45-foot

713
00:48:34,692 --> 00:48:37,692
wide, smaller width, higher density.

714
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:44,950
The cyan colored is proposed 50-foot-wide lots which would be

715
00:48:48,172 --> 00:48:52,972
typical residences. The area that are mostly clear

716
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:56,247
is our duplex products which are located here in the center of

717
00:48:56,247 --> 00:49:01,470
the project. The larger lot located in the

718
00:49:23,209 --> 00:49:25,790
north central portion of the project site is planned for a

719
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:29,279
future clubhouse. The clubhouse will be proposed

720
00:49:29,616 --> 00:49:36,216
south of one of our proposed retention ponds east of Valley

721
00:49:37,424 --> 00:49:39,693
Drive. The parking and drive proposed

722
00:49:39,693 --> 00:49:44,631
on the lot is for temporary parking and access to the

723
00:49:44,631 --> 00:49:50,504
proposed kiosks off the street. A site development will be

724
00:49:50,504 --> 00:49:56,443
required by the town before a clubhouse may be built.

725
00:49:56,443 --> 00:50:02,443
Chateau Valley will have four drainage basins, a through d

726
00:50:02,916 --> 00:50:05,316
proposed for single-family development.

727
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,725
Detention ponds for each basin will have water quality in

728
00:50:11,725 --> 00:50:17,331
accordance to the town criteria. The runoff for a, b and c

729
00:50:17,331 --> 00:50:21,334
located on the top portion of this drawing near the channel

730
00:50:21,334 --> 00:50:27,740
will be conveyed to the existing Tributary and the attenuated

731
00:50:27,740 --> 00:50:31,812
runoff for this -- the tension basin down on the southwest

732
00:50:31,812 --> 00:50:36,612
corner the site will discharge top elm street.

733
00:50:45,759 --> 00:50:48,495
>> These are proposed drop structures that will help

734
00:50:48,495 --> 00:50:53,895
control the runoff and mitigate erosion from occurring during

735
00:50:55,302 --> 00:50:58,505
100-year storm event. Unique to this design, we

736
00:50:58,505 --> 00:51:02,776
already have a floodplain modification study approved by

737
00:51:02,776 --> 00:51:08,515
the town but we're actually improving a portion of the

738
00:51:08,515 --> 00:51:10,384
floodplain near the Northwest corner of the site where it

739
00:51:10,384 --> 00:51:11,518
encroached into some existing lots.

740
00:51:11,518 --> 00:51:16,318
We went through the exercise of correcting that.

741
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,803
Existing vegetation consists primarily of natural grass and

742
00:51:29,803 --> 00:51:32,271
shrubs with scrub, oak and pine tree.

743
00:51:32,271 --> 00:51:38,271
60 existing pine trees under the 20 feet in height will be

744
00:51:45,418 --> 00:51:48,822
transplanted on the site according to the conservation.

745
00:51:48,822 --> 00:51:53,627
Existing trees will be replaced outside of the floodplain with a

746
00:51:53,627 --> 00:51:59,980
mix of low water zone evergreen and deciduous large canopy

747
00:51:59,980 --> 00:52:01,835
trees. That's to -- as requested by the

748
00:52:01,835 --> 00:52:06,906
adjacent neighborhood to the north of our project to provide

749
00:52:06,906 --> 00:52:11,445
additional screening. We agreed to replace all of the

750
00:52:11,445 --> 00:52:17,917
cotton wood trees that would be hurt or removed as part of the

751
00:52:17,917 --> 00:52:22,588
channel's construction. Since cotton woods aren't a tree

752
00:52:22,588 --> 00:52:26,259
that the town would like to have transplanted, that's why we're

753
00:52:26,259 --> 00:52:30,459
proposing the evergreens and large canopy trees.

754
00:52:35,469 --> 00:52:38,337
We have three classifications of roadways proposed on Chateau

755
00:52:38,337 --> 00:52:41,937
Valley. First, valley drive, the main

756
00:52:42,475 --> 00:52:47,747
drive that cuts through the site, will be completed.

757
00:52:47,747 --> 00:52:53,190
That's been anticipated for many years to assist with the traffic

758
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:56,619
in that area and that connectivity.

759
00:52:57,423 --> 00:53:04,164
Our entry streets all key into valley drive will have a median

760
00:53:04,164 --> 00:53:08,368
which is shown on the bottom figure splitting the roads at

761
00:53:08,368 --> 00:53:10,437
each entrance onto valley drive. And, of course, our local

762
00:53:10,437 --> 00:53:14,637
streets are standard, town standard residential streets.

763
00:53:22,783 --> 00:53:26,520
Chateau Valley is an infill subdivision.

764
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,452
It's got five roads. Chateau Valley is an infill

765
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,463
subdivision having five roadways planned to provide access to the

766
00:53:36,463 --> 00:53:37,397
site and surrounding neighborhoods.

767
00:53:37,397 --> 00:53:43,397
We have proposed traffic-calming devices at the entrance to each

768
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:47,270
adjoining subdivision adjacent to our project.

769
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:54,800
Now we started our discussion on some traffic issues.

770
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,860
I'm going to turn this portion of the presentation over to Mike

771
00:54:00,860 --> 00:54:03,686
Rocca who prepared our traffic study.

772
00:54:10,764 --> 00:54:15,564
>> Hi, good evening. My name is Mike Rocca.

773
00:54:17,370 --> 00:54:20,370
I'm with traffic engineering consultants.

774
00:54:22,709 --> 00:54:26,379
I'll keep my presentation brief to allow time for the remaining

775
00:54:26,379 --> 00:54:30,984
presentation to follow; however, I do remain available after the

776
00:54:30,984 --> 00:54:34,584
overall presentation to answer any questions.

777
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,993
We prepared a traffic impact study as part of the site

778
00:54:39,993 --> 00:54:41,461
development application being presented before you tonight.

779
00:54:41,461 --> 00:54:45,265
The traffic study was prepared in accordance with the town's

780
00:54:45,265 --> 00:54:49,465
adopted transportation design criteria manual for preparation

781
00:54:49,602 --> 00:54:53,139
of traffic impact studies. The town's transportation master

782
00:54:53,139 --> 00:54:58,539
plan and accepted analysis methodologies used by the town

783
00:55:00,547 --> 00:55:04,551
for development review. The traffic study identified,

784
00:55:04,551 --> 00:55:07,621
quantity tide and assessed future -- quantified and

785
00:55:07,621 --> 00:55:09,756
assessed future traffic conditions consistent with the

786
00:55:09,756 --> 00:55:13,260
level of analysis required with the site development plan

787
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:17,296
traffic study. The study was also reviewed by

788
00:55:17,296 --> 00:55:22,696
town engineering and basically is also, um, from my

789
00:55:27,173 --> 00:55:31,973
understanding recommended for approval as explained in the

790
00:55:32,379 --> 00:55:37,179
engineering staff report. The side development plan stage

791
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:43,257
of the development application, the basis of our traffic study

792
00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:44,191
concludes several different items.

793
00:55:44,191 --> 00:55:47,795
It includes the collection and review of 24-hour daily traffic

794
00:55:47,795 --> 00:55:54,995
volumes, peak hour volumes and then used to begin some of our

795
00:55:55,335 --> 00:55:58,935
analyses. This was done for multiple

796
00:55:59,340 --> 00:56:03,100
intersections along the perimeter of the site and

797
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:04,945
traffic counts were recently collected and were used as bases

798
00:56:04,945 --> 00:56:12,145
of our study in January of 2025. While our traffic study began a

799
00:56:13,954 --> 00:56:18,250
few years prior to -- basically in September of 2021, as part of

800
00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:23,425
our ongoing discussions with town staff in regards to

801
00:56:27,434 --> 00:56:32,834
updating to address neighborhood concerns, we then have since

802
00:56:34,442 --> 00:56:37,711
collected the new traffic counts in January of 2025 and based our

803
00:56:37,711 --> 00:56:43,711
analysis off of that. So then from analyzing our peak

804
00:56:46,387 --> 00:56:49,389
from 24-hour volumes collected, we looked at the long range

805
00:56:49,389 --> 00:56:54,795
20-year condition which is year 2045 in our study with and

806
00:56:54,795 --> 00:56:57,195
without the proposed development.

807
00:56:57,398 --> 00:57:00,868
The traffic study is considered a long-range 20-year planning

808
00:57:00,868 --> 00:57:06,868
document and is used to begin the identification of key

809
00:57:08,542 --> 00:57:11,542
potential transportation improvements applicable to

810
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,820
development and adjacent area for later consideration upon

811
00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:20,282
actual site design. Additional analysis performed at

812
00:57:20,420 --> 00:57:23,757
the request of town ingeneralneering -- engineering

813
00:57:23,757 --> 00:57:26,960
was to evaluate the 20-year capacity impacts on the adjacent

814
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,560
street connections upon assumed development approval.

815
00:57:33,567 --> 00:57:38,372
Key evaluations performed was site development with or without

816
00:57:38,372 --> 00:57:40,974
direct connection to the adjacent neighborhood local

817
00:57:40,974 --> 00:57:43,974
streets. Our traffic study concluded

818
00:57:44,778 --> 00:57:49,578
long-range 20-year intersection and roadway operations upon full

819
00:57:51,318 --> 00:57:56,790
build-out of site development if approved that they are in

820
00:57:56,790 --> 00:57:59,526
compliance with town master plan goals and transportation design

821
00:57:59,526 --> 00:58:03,126
standards. Key components included in this

822
00:58:04,931 --> 00:58:10,331
study were the extension of Valley Drive as recently

823
00:58:10,537 --> 00:58:15,809
discussed which is a town transportation master plan goal.

824
00:58:15,809 --> 00:58:20,130
The connection of the existing street network recently

825
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:24,551
discussed which is a town transportation goal per town

826
00:58:24,551 --> 00:58:28,751
standards. And the impact of added site

827
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,224
development traffic exceeding street capacity, existing street

828
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,628
capacity. Our report concludes that the

829
00:58:38,832 --> 00:58:44,370
existing street capacity is not exceeded if this development is

830
00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:47,637
approved. In cooperation with town traffic

831
00:58:47,908 --> 00:58:51,912
engineering, our study has been revised several times to provide

832
00:58:51,912 --> 00:58:55,249
additional evaluations to account for neighborhood and

833
00:58:55,249 --> 00:58:56,850
town review comments received to date.

834
00:58:56,850 --> 00:59:01,500
Existing roadway capacity concerned -- concerns and

835
00:59:01,188 --> 00:59:05,988
existing street connection. While our study awaits town

836
00:59:08,862 --> 00:59:13,667
approval, we have worked closely with town engineering staff to

837
00:59:13,667 --> 00:59:16,937
address all review comments issued to date and it's believed

838
00:59:16,937 --> 00:59:21,275
that our traffic study provides a reasonable, appropriate and

839
00:59:21,275 --> 00:59:24,875
technically sound assessment of transportation impacts

840
00:59:25,212 --> 00:59:28,212
associated with this proposed development.

841
00:59:28,816 --> 00:59:35,416
I would like to emphasize that the site development plan being

842
00:59:35,489 --> 00:59:40,493
presented before you today if approved could represent a

843
00:59:40,493 --> 00:59:44,930
reduction and development traffic valuation of

844
00:59:49,102 --> 00:59:53,240
approximately 28%, a correlation to the reduced density that's

845
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:58,378
proposed on this project when compared to allowed density of

846
00:59:58,378 --> 01:00:02,490
existing zoning. This concludes my presentation I

847
01:00:02,490 --> 01:00:06,530
remain available to answer any questions at the end of our

848
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:07,921
presentation. Now, I'll return the

849
01:00:07,921 --> 01:00:12,121
presentation over to Mr. Hall. Thank you.

850
01:00:15,729 --> 01:00:18,599
>> Thank you, Mr. Rocca. Appreciate that.

851
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:24,672
I would just like to conclude, you know w, with the summary of

852
01:00:24,672 --> 01:00:26,740
the high points and the concessions we made in working

853
01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:30,611
with the community in trying to make this the best subdivision

854
01:00:30,611 --> 01:00:37,211
we can design out, I would note 50 acres of open space.

855
01:00:40,887 --> 01:00:45,687
The community was really interested in hiking trails,

856
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:52,990
some enjoyment of the open space itself and we have provided

857
01:00:52,990 --> 01:00:58,705
45 acres of our site -- excuse me, 45% of our site is now open

858
01:00:58,705 --> 01:01:00,908
space. We have over a mile of trails

859
01:01:00,908 --> 01:01:06,908
proposed on this development. We are improving and making a

860
01:01:08,449 --> 01:01:13,587
drainage way a safer way to convey water without damage to

861
01:01:13,587 --> 01:01:16,456
private property. We provided buffers around the

862
01:01:16,456 --> 01:01:20,260
entire development adjoining the existing subdivisions to make a

863
01:01:20,260 --> 01:01:25,600
buffer between the two developments and Valley Drive

864
01:01:27,134 --> 01:01:32,534
itself is a much-needed key component to transportation in

865
01:01:33,207 --> 01:01:38,362
this area of Castle Rock and we're completing that.

866
01:01:38,362 --> 01:01:41,299
At this point, I would just like to ask for any comments or

867
01:01:41,299 --> 01:01:44,899
questions that Council may have. >> Sure.

868
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:50,374
Questions for presenters first and then we'll have staff

869
01:01:50,374 --> 01:01:54,574
second. >> We have a new structure to

870
01:02:03,254 --> 01:02:06,457
how these are going to happen. >> Sorry.

871
01:02:06,457 --> 01:02:10,995
>> Thank you, sir. All right, so I just wanted to

872
01:02:10,995 --> 01:02:18,795
follow up a little bit on what the applicant -- there were four

873
01:02:18,936 --> 01:02:22,540
different neighborhood meetings held throughout the course of

874
01:02:22,540 --> 01:02:24,808
the application as you can see. They were very well attended.

875
01:02:24,808 --> 01:02:28,212
These are established neighborhoods adjacent to this

876
01:02:28,212 --> 01:02:31,415
development and as you would expect, there's a lot of concern

877
01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:35,615
and questions that we have gone through.

878
01:02:35,619 --> 01:02:37,487
Staff has done their best to respond to it.

879
01:02:37,487 --> 01:02:42,959
You can see in your packet there's numerous quantity of

880
01:02:42,959 --> 01:02:44,495
public comments that have been submitted.

881
01:02:44,495 --> 01:02:50,367
I do want to touch on a couple of the items that have come up

882
01:02:50,367 --> 01:02:53,370
over this time. I also wanted to point out, in

883
01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:57,237
the first application in 2021, this proposed 423 homes.

884
01:02:59,242 --> 01:03:02,580
In the next two neighborhood meetings, they had reduced the

885
01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:05,583
plan to 415 homes. And the plan that is before you

886
01:03:05,583 --> 01:03:11,121
tonight is at 402 homes. So as the applicant responded to

887
01:03:11,121 --> 01:03:13,991
feedback they received at neighborhood meetings, they did

888
01:03:13,991 --> 01:03:19,262
adjust their plan as well as feedback from, yeah.

889
01:03:19,262 --> 01:03:22,466
One of the items that have come up a couple of times is water

890
01:03:22,466 --> 01:03:26,270
concerns. I did work with the water

891
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:28,205
director, Mark Marlowe o some of the bullets.

892
01:03:28,205 --> 01:03:31,675
I want to make sure that everyone is aware that Chateau

893
01:03:31,675 --> 01:03:34,878
Valley has been planned for residential development since

894
01:03:34,878 --> 01:03:36,880
1983. The future water needed to serve

895
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:42,753
this development at the higher level, at the 561 level, has

896
01:03:42,753 --> 01:03:48,153
been included in all of our long-term water plans.

897
01:03:49,694 --> 01:03:52,563
The most recent drought restrictions are a regional

898
01:03:52,563 --> 01:03:55,310
drought condition, not a lack of water supply.

899
01:03:55,310 --> 01:03:58,502
And as you're aware, those restrictions are really focused

900
01:03:58,502 --> 01:04:02,372
on reducing the peak outdoor irrigation demand in the dry,

901
01:04:02,372 --> 01:04:06,572
hot, summer days. As Mark mentioned, new

902
01:04:07,644 --> 01:04:09,579
development does have to meet a variety of water conservation

903
01:04:09,579 --> 01:04:12,490
standards. You talk about the rebate

904
01:04:12,490 --> 01:04:15,510
program for existing homes. All new homes built in Castle

905
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:18,322
Rock are not allowed any turf in their front yard.

906
01:04:18,322 --> 01:04:21,570
That would apply to these homes as well.

907
01:04:21,570 --> 01:04:24,928
They would have to do the Colorado scape and the reduced

908
01:04:24,928 --> 01:04:27,464
turf in the back. The other item I wanted to talk

909
01:04:27,464 --> 01:04:32,269
about, we've had a lot of e-mail correspondents and questions

910
01:04:32,269 --> 01:04:35,606
from residents about saving the forested area that's Chateau

911
01:04:35,606 --> 01:04:38,275
Valley or as some of those e-mails indicated.

912
01:04:38,275 --> 01:04:44,281
I wanted to first make sure everyone is fully aware of the

913
01:04:44,281 --> 01:04:46,830
Newman ridge open space. This is not Chateau Valley.

914
01:04:46,830 --> 01:04:49,286
This is to the West of Chateau Valley.

915
01:04:49,286 --> 01:04:52,957
I put a white label so you can see where the Northwest corner

916
01:04:52,957 --> 01:04:56,627
of Chateau Valley begins. This parcel of land, Memmen

917
01:04:56,627 --> 01:04:59,629
ridge open space, that's really three separate parcels.

918
01:04:59,629 --> 01:05:04,301
Parcels 2 and 3, those comprise of 14 acres that have already

919
01:05:04,301 --> 01:05:08,372
been dedicated to the town. Those were dedicated to the town

920
01:05:08,372 --> 01:05:13,310
in 1985 by the memmen report -- Memmen report owners at that

921
01:05:13,310 --> 01:05:16,247
time -- Memmen property owners at that time.

922
01:05:16,247 --> 01:05:19,116
The larger parcel was purchased by the town in 1991.

923
01:05:19,116 --> 01:05:26,724
All of this land is owned by the town and is not subject to any

924
01:05:26,724 --> 01:05:27,924
of the development we're discussing tonight.

925
01:05:27,924 --> 01:05:32,196
I did get a more recent aerial so you can see the trees and the

926
01:05:32,196 --> 01:05:34,198
forested area. So all the residents and folks

927
01:05:34,198 --> 01:05:38,269
that are concerned, I wanted you to see where the trees are

928
01:05:38,269 --> 01:05:40,737
located. Highlighted in yellow is all

929
01:05:40,737 --> 01:05:42,806
owned by the Town of Castle Rock.

930
01:05:42,806 --> 01:05:44,675
We own it. It's zoned open space.

931
01:05:44,675 --> 01:05:47,211
You can see that the town has put in trailhead parking.

932
01:05:47,211 --> 01:05:54,411
There's a large number of trails you can see in the aerial.

933
01:05:54,685 --> 01:05:56,153
Hopefully folks in the audience could see that as well.

934
01:05:56,153 --> 01:06:00,291
All of this is owned by the town and is not a part of the

935
01:06:00,291 --> 01:06:05,429
development plan tonight. It does abutt it to be very

936
01:06:05,429 --> 01:06:06,964
accurate. I'm an engineer.

937
01:06:06,964 --> 01:06:09,433
I like to be accurate when I present to everyone.

938
01:06:09,433 --> 01:06:11,835
Chateau Valley does touch it on the east side.

939
01:06:11,835 --> 01:06:15,840
So these are the trees that the applicant was talking about.

940
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:21,645
I got a quick zoom in for a moment so you can see that there

941
01:06:21,645 --> 01:06:24,781
are trees today on private property that is owned by the

942
01:06:24,781 --> 01:06:28,381
Memmen family. That's subject to the

943
01:06:28,652 --> 01:06:31,520
application tonight, Chateau Valley.

944
01:06:32,189 --> 01:06:38,789
When Mr. hall talked about the trees, these are the trees.

945
01:06:41,465 --> 01:06:44,201
The current owner today could cut the trees down.

946
01:06:44,201 --> 01:06:48,500
Wanted to make sure everyone was aware where the Memmen ridge

947
01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:51,800
open space was to the West and that this development is not

948
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:56,146
impacting that area. Now, as the development is built

949
01:06:56,146 --> 01:07:02,746
out, there is grading in this area as Mr. hall indicated.

950
01:07:05,956 --> 01:07:10,494
There's a future trail that will wind up into the open space.

951
01:07:10,494 --> 01:07:13,970
There's a new area of land that will come into the town.

952
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:16,166
Due to getting valley drive to connect to the north end to the

953
01:07:16,166 --> 01:07:18,635
south end, the grading in this area does have to be impacted

954
01:07:18,635 --> 01:07:23,707
which would lead to the removal of all of the trees.

955
01:07:23,707 --> 01:07:25,976
Our code does not require him to transplant these large trees.

956
01:07:25,976 --> 01:07:31,976
He can technically put in smaller, you know, trees under

957
01:07:32,249 --> 01:07:36,454
six feet in height that will some day grow larger but through

958
01:07:36,454 --> 01:07:38,455
all the various meetings and feedback he's received from both

959
01:07:38,455 --> 01:07:43,127
residents and staff, he is proposing now a requirement that

960
01:07:43,127 --> 01:07:46,263
he would transplant those trees. Not all of those trees will

961
01:07:46,263 --> 01:07:49,416
likely survive, but most of them hopefully will.

962
01:07:49,416 --> 01:07:51,818
And if not, he will have to then replace them.

963
01:07:51,818 --> 01:07:54,870
But I just wanted to make sure that was clear.

964
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:56,757
We got a lot of questions on that.

965
01:07:56,757 --> 01:08:00,827
So for on-site landscaping this aerial is really just showing

966
01:08:00,827 --> 01:08:02,829
you can see a lot of the scrub oak.

967
01:08:02,829 --> 01:08:07,768
There are definitely some that are matured in that area.

968
01:08:07,768 --> 01:08:09,836
60 of the trees will be preserved by transplanting

969
01:08:09,836 --> 01:08:12,238
elsewhere on the property. As we indicated, the largest

970
01:08:12,238 --> 01:08:14,441
area of buffering is in the Northwest corner behind existing

971
01:08:14,441 --> 01:08:18,410
homes. Overall in town code, he's

972
01:08:18,111 --> 01:08:21,711
required 181 trees. They're proposing 194 to include

973
01:08:24,784 --> 01:08:27,253
the tree planting trees. For local road connections -- I

974
01:08:27,253 --> 01:08:30,256
just wanted to touch on this part.

975
01:08:30,256 --> 01:08:33,793
Again, it's been a very big part of all of our neighborhood

976
01:08:33,793 --> 01:08:34,927
meetings and discussions with applicants.

977
01:08:34,927 --> 01:08:38,197
So while the neighborhood was always planned to have these

978
01:08:38,197 --> 01:08:44,797
connections at ash and elm, valley and then Eaton is a

979
01:08:45,871 --> 01:08:50,743
continuation and Santana drive on the north, we did ask the

980
01:08:50,743 --> 01:08:55,748
applicant to review it both ways and so this graphic shows on the

981
01:08:55,748 --> 01:08:58,751
left the site plan as it's presented before you tonight

982
01:08:58,751 --> 01:09:02,689
showing all of the connections. The traffic study does indicate

983
01:09:02,689 --> 01:09:06,626
all of that works and meets the town criteria.

984
01:09:06,626 --> 01:09:11,965
I know Mr. Rocca made a comment about when the traffic study is

985
01:09:11,965 --> 01:09:16,350
approved, if approved at the staff level, I think he's

986
01:09:16,350 --> 01:09:19,839
talking about if the project is approved tonight, but the staff

987
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:23,309
review of the traffic study does meet all of the town's criteria.

988
01:09:23,309 --> 01:09:27,780
We did ask them to analyze it on the conditions on the right.

989
01:09:27,780 --> 01:09:31,383
So on the right-hand image shows limited connections.

990
01:09:31,383 --> 01:09:33,986
So the square boxes indicate closed to public access.

991
01:09:33,986 --> 01:09:40,586
But you can see a cul-de-sac at Ash and at Elm.

992
01:09:42,929 --> 01:09:45,929
There'd be emergency vehicle access.

993
01:09:46,266 --> 01:09:49,469
Fire department could access through there, however, the

994
01:09:49,469 --> 01:09:52,138
public would not be able to access through there.

995
01:09:52,138 --> 01:09:58,738
They've also proposed closing at Eaton if that's the will of

996
01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:05,120
Council this even. That would get at chain and

997
01:10:05,485 --> 01:10:08,421
bollard if possible. The circles indicate the roads

998
01:10:08,421 --> 01:10:10,824
that would stay open. They modeled the traffic studies

999
01:10:10,824 --> 01:10:13,159
both ways. Both scenarios do work.

1000
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,895
As you can see on the right-hand side, it does reduce the ability

1001
01:10:15,895 --> 01:10:20,330
for existing homes to access the new connection on this street

1002
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:23,302
and it will cause a slight, longer delay at both the north

1003
01:10:23,302 --> 01:10:26,238
and south end of valley for existing residents and future

1004
01:10:26,238 --> 01:10:30,438
residents. So that is an option that

1005
01:10:30,777 --> 01:10:33,379
Council might want to consider tonight in my motioned that I

1006
01:10:33,379 --> 01:10:37,450
have proposed, one includes the project as the applicant

1007
01:10:37,450 --> 01:10:39,652
proposed on the left. One would include it with

1008
01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:44,524
limiting road connections if that's the desire of Council.

1009
01:10:44,524 --> 01:10:47,260
>> Thank you, Tara. Before we move onto questions

1010
01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:49,728
from council and then after that public comment, I want to make

1011
01:10:49,728 --> 01:10:54,534
sure everyone knows, if you guys don't want to stand anymore, we

1012
01:10:54,534 --> 01:10:57,403
have chairs and video feed downstairs if you'd like to.

1013
01:10:57,403 --> 01:10:59,806
You're more than welcome to stand as long as you want.

1014
01:10:59,806 --> 01:11:02,142
If you're not comfortable standing, there are chairs

1015
01:11:02,142 --> 01:11:07,542
downstairs with a video feed. Council member Brooks followed

1016
01:11:09,616 --> 01:11:16,816
by Mayor Pro Tem Cavey. >> Can you back up to the open

1017
01:11:18,624 --> 01:11:23,424
space slide? I'm glad you brought this up.

1018
01:11:28,101 --> 01:11:30,770
This is not part of what we're hearing tonight as far as the

1019
01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:36,443
project but it's consistent with some of the other conversations

1020
01:11:36,443 --> 01:11:41,243
we're having with pieces of property throughout town.

1021
01:11:42,982 --> 01:11:48,982
When infill is difficult, right, and the certainty of knowing

1022
01:11:49,322 --> 01:11:54,590
what is going to happen to a piece of property, that

1023
01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:56,662
certainty to homeowners is something that they can take to

1024
01:11:56,662 --> 01:11:59,265
bed at night and sleep easy with.

1025
01:11:59,265 --> 01:12:03,870
So wherever possible, I think it's advantageous to be able to

1026
01:12:03,870 --> 01:12:06,873
give some comfort and some certainty to homeowners.

1027
01:12:06,873 --> 01:12:13,279
With that private parcel piece, I just wanted to bring up that

1028
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:21,679
when we come to motions later, I intend to make a motion to ask

1029
01:12:22,155 --> 01:12:28,155
the town to start to investigate any and all available

1030
01:12:30,363 --> 01:12:35,763
opportunities, mechanisms so forth, that we have available to

1031
01:12:36,235 --> 01:12:39,773
purchase that piece of property and make it part of the Memmen

1032
01:12:39,773 --> 01:12:41,574
ridge open space so that way we're able to take that off the

1033
01:12:41,574 --> 01:12:44,376
board. Don't have to worry what

1034
01:12:44,376 --> 01:12:46,246
"private parcel" means anymore. We can make that part of that

1035
01:12:46,246 --> 01:12:48,380
open space. So I just wanted to kind of

1036
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:53,853
point that out right now and just give a preview of what I

1037
01:12:53,853 --> 01:12:58,391
intend to do, also for those up here on the DAIS, I wanted to

1038
01:12:58,391 --> 01:13:01,928
give a heads up. That'll be a secondary, related

1039
01:13:01,928 --> 01:13:05,532
motion I'll be making. >> Thank you, council member

1040
01:13:05,532 --> 01:13:07,600
Brooks. Mayor Pro Tem Cavey.

1041
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,200
>> Yes, I have quite a few questions here.

1042
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,270
I'm going to read something first but it is relevant in

1043
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:13,406
terms of where I'm going with the question.

1044
01:13:13,406 --> 01:13:18,206
>> Absolutely, thank you. >> So our Castle Rock municipal

1045
01:13:19,345 --> 01:13:24,145
code 17.10.0.30 land calls for development to respond to

1046
01:13:24,150 --> 01:13:28,354
natural vegetation, terrain, drainage ways and unique site

1047
01:13:28,354 --> 01:13:30,754
features. Code 17.30.0.40, SDP approval

1048
01:13:40,833 --> 01:13:44,837
calls for an effort to protect significant vegetation where

1049
01:13:44,837 --> 01:13:49,370
possible and preservation of significant natural features.

1050
01:13:50,776 --> 01:13:56,776
So personally, I would call that ridgeline and those trees

1051
01:13:57,528 --> 01:14:00,797
certainly part of things that are in our municipal code.

1052
01:14:00,797 --> 01:14:07,871
So my first question is when you go over to Chateau Valley and

1053
01:14:07,871 --> 01:14:11,471
you're looking -- whoa, whoa, whoa.

1054
01:14:15,212 --> 01:14:16,547
>> I didn't make it to this slide.

1055
01:14:16,547 --> 01:14:19,816
I apologize, Mayor Pro Tem. This shows the development

1056
01:14:19,816 --> 01:14:22,619
they're proposing. >> No, actually the ones that

1057
01:14:22,619 --> 01:14:26,819
show the trees is a better picture.

1058
01:14:27,224 --> 01:14:31,694
That one, yeah. So that ridge, um, on the top

1059
01:14:31,694 --> 01:14:37,340
line, right, and then stuff that comes through the middle where

1060
01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:40,170
you're saying we're going to have to do significant grading

1061
01:14:40,170 --> 01:14:45,575
to make valley drive come through basically all of those

1062
01:14:45,575 --> 01:14:50,447
trees are going to be removed. How many trees in total are we

1063
01:14:50,447 --> 01:14:53,517
removing? >> I'll see if the applicant

1064
01:14:53,517 --> 01:14:59,456
could look up that exact number. First, I do want to clarify the

1065
01:14:59,456 --> 01:15:02,726
top end of the site is not a ridge.

1066
01:15:02,726 --> 01:15:04,928
That's a drainage channel so all of that does have to be removed

1067
01:15:04,928 --> 01:15:08,528
to meet the town's water requirements.

1068
01:15:09,733 --> 01:15:13,871
It's the road connection on valley that requires the grading

1069
01:15:13,871 --> 01:15:18,800
in this parcel to be adjusted. I'll ask Mr. hall if he knows

1070
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,678
the exact number of trees that are being removed.

1071
01:15:20,678 --> 01:15:22,946
I know we had 60 he identified as saving.

1072
01:15:22,946 --> 01:15:28,485
Do you know, Mr. Hall, how many trees have to be removed?

1073
01:15:28,485 --> 01:15:29,419
They're saving half of the trees.

1074
01:15:29,419 --> 01:15:32,222
So. >> So we're saying there's 120

1075
01:15:32,222 --> 01:15:34,692
trees? >> That's what he's saying.

1076
01:15:34,692 --> 01:15:38,892
>> OK. So I thought the original site

1077
01:15:39,229 --> 01:15:43,366
development plan called for saving 100 trees, not 60.

1078
01:15:43,366 --> 01:15:46,904
>> No, I do apologize for that. There was a typo in the planning

1079
01:15:46,904 --> 01:15:52,842
commission staff report. In one area it said he was

1080
01:15:52,842 --> 01:15:56,246
transplanting 100 trees. In one area, it said 60 trees.

1081
01:15:56,246 --> 01:15:58,515
What he's indicated and what the plan includes is transplanting

1082
01:15:58,515 --> 01:16:00,650
60 trees. That's always been what he's

1083
01:16:00,650 --> 01:16:04,850
presented and there's an additional 50 cottonwood trees

1084
01:16:05,455 --> 01:16:09,659
that the plan has to remove in the drainage way he's also going

1085
01:16:09,659 --> 01:16:13,930
to be replacing with different trees so -- somehow that got

1086
01:16:13,930 --> 01:16:16,734
turned into 100 trees in one section of the staff report and

1087
01:16:16,734 --> 01:16:18,469
60 in another. That was in the planning

1088
01:16:18,469 --> 01:16:22,669
commission packet. Your packet is correct tonight.

1089
01:16:23,139 --> 01:16:30,339
>> OK, so, um, if one of those 60 trees dies, are you replacing

1090
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,219
it with another 20-foot tree? >> He'll have to replace it per

1091
01:16:35,219 --> 01:16:37,200
town code. Again, he's not required to

1092
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,230
replace any of these existing trees.

1093
01:16:39,230 --> 01:16:41,910
>> I understand that. I'm asking a question.

1094
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:45,896
>> Yeah, so he's not required to replace it with a 20-foot tree.

1095
01:16:45,896 --> 01:16:49,566
The town code I believe is a six-foot-tall tree.

1096
01:16:49,566 --> 01:16:50,901
I'm not sure on the caliper, yeah.

1097
01:16:50,901 --> 01:16:54,638
>> It would go from a 20-foot tree to a 6-foot tree.

1098
01:16:54,638 --> 01:16:57,173
>> We would just as we do in any development area in town.

1099
01:16:57,173 --> 01:17:01,373
>> All right. Um, 50 acres of open space.

1100
01:17:02,446 --> 01:17:07,117
Um, how much of that is actually usable by the public meaning I

1101
01:17:07,117 --> 01:17:12,656
see a lot of it as part of the drainage ditch and there's also

1102
01:17:12,656 --> 01:17:17,795
a cliff, I believe, involved and designating that 50% open space,

1103
01:17:17,795 --> 01:17:24,395
so to, me, it doesn't seem like it's usable open space.

1104
01:17:25,336 --> 01:17:27,137
>> Correct. It's usable in different ways in

1105
01:17:27,137 --> 01:17:31,207
the drainage channel. He's putting in a paved concrete

1106
01:17:31,207 --> 01:17:33,210
trail as well as soft surface trail.

1107
01:17:33,210 --> 01:17:37,814
Soft surface trail will wind up to connect to menmen ridge and

1108
01:17:37,814 --> 01:17:40,284
the paved trail will be in the drainage channel.

1109
01:17:40,284 --> 01:17:43,754
Similar to you can walk to this area from festival park along

1110
01:17:43,754 --> 01:17:47,490
that drainage channel and then the ridgeline going up to the

1111
01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:53,490
east is going to be privately maintained, owned and maintained

1112
01:17:53,497 --> 01:17:57,697
by the HOA. It's publicly accessible open

1113
01:17:58,435 --> 01:17:59,636
space. I don't believe I can answer

1114
01:17:59,636 --> 01:18:02,506
your question on usable because it depends on who wants to use

1115
01:18:02,506 --> 01:18:07,244
it and which way if that makes sense but it meets our criteria

1116
01:18:07,244 --> 01:18:11,444
for open space. >> Another question on traffic.

1117
01:18:12,316 --> 01:18:15,318
Valley Drive. Valley Drive today, what level

1118
01:18:15,318 --> 01:18:20,718
of service is that? >> Want to speak to that?

1119
01:18:31,335 --> 01:18:34,738
While you look at that up, I have another question.

1120
01:18:34,738 --> 01:18:39,538
Um. What are -- what is the maximum

1121
01:18:42,546 --> 01:18:47,840
buffers between the other communities and this community?

1122
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,684
How many feet? >> So it varies.

1123
01:19:04,768 --> 01:19:10,907
You can see along the West property line t starts at

1124
01:19:10,907 --> 01:19:14,578
30 feet and widens to almost 60 feet at the top and then 100

1125
01:19:14,578 --> 01:19:21,178
once you get to the tract where we are actually dedicating

1126
01:19:21,918 --> 01:19:27,570
over an acre of public land space and constructing that

1127
01:19:27,570 --> 01:19:29,859
trail connection to Memmen, existing Memmen Park through

1128
01:19:29,859 --> 01:19:34,330
that space. So it varies pretty greatly as

1129
01:19:34,330 --> 01:19:36,733
you work your way around the site.

1130
01:19:36,733 --> 01:19:40,403
I would -- I think the neighborhood is focused on the

1131
01:19:40,403 --> 01:19:44,274
minimum being 30 feet and it varies as you work your way

1132
01:19:44,274 --> 01:19:46,810
around the perimeter of the site.

1133
01:19:46,810 --> 01:19:51,414
But you could -- I mean, in some spaces, you can see over

1134
01:19:51,414 --> 01:19:56,219
100 feet of separation between the existing homes and the

1135
01:19:56,219 --> 01:19:59,489
nearest lot. Does that answer your question?

1136
01:19:59,489 --> 01:20:02,692
>> Yep. So 30 feet is the smallest?

1137
01:20:02,692 --> 01:20:05,692
>> correct. >> Any quick answers regarding

1138
01:20:11,907 --> 01:20:14,977
levels of service? Existing conditions for levels

1139
01:20:14,977 --> 01:20:19,182
of service for valley drive and the creek.

1140
01:20:19,182 --> 01:20:26,722
They range -- when you get into the p.m. peak hour for valley

1141
01:20:26,722 --> 01:20:31,522
and Plum Creek intersection, you're level of service

1142
01:20:32,929 --> 01:20:34,931
[indiscernible] or better for the level of service.

1143
01:20:34,931 --> 01:20:37,133
>> Once this community is built out, what do the level of

1144
01:20:37,133 --> 01:20:39,669
services go to? >> I will talk to that --

1145
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:42,405
>> Can you speak in the mic a little better?

1146
01:20:42,405 --> 01:20:44,941
>> I don't think they can hear in the back.

1147
01:20:44,941 --> 01:20:48,744
No, but they're going to make it through.

1148
01:20:48,744 --> 01:20:54,144
>> We're just looking at existing Valley Drive as it

1149
01:20:55,170 --> 01:20:58,421
connects to Plum Creek and existing Valley Drive as it

1150
01:20:58,421 --> 01:21:02,224
connects to fifth. Let me talk a little bit about

1151
01:21:02,224 --> 01:21:07,624
Valley Drive and 5th. As of today, preconstruction of

1152
01:21:08,631 --> 01:21:11,634
that intersection. You're looking at levels of

1153
01:21:11,634 --> 01:21:17,173
service f in the morning and levels of service e in the

1154
01:21:17,173 --> 01:21:21,177
evening. That's pretty -- you know, just

1155
01:21:21,177 --> 01:21:22,378
existing preconstruction that's going on now.

1156
01:21:22,378 --> 01:21:27,178
So let me jump to total traffic year 2045.

1157
01:21:29,452 --> 01:21:34,252
This has -- this includes now the connection.

1158
01:21:34,523 --> 01:21:37,726
So the -- >> The through street, right?

1159
01:21:37,726 --> 01:21:39,726
>> Yep. Yep.

1160
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:55,605
So Valley Drive and Plum Creek, we're looking at levels of

1161
01:21:56,279 --> 01:22:02,279
service D or better. That's in the morning and also

1162
01:22:02,952 --> 01:22:07,223
in the p.m. peak hour. The levels of service D are

1163
01:22:07,223 --> 01:22:13,823
isolated to a movement just the southbound left turn movement so

1164
01:22:14,698 --> 01:22:18,898
Valley Drive southbound left to Plum Creek.

1165
01:22:19,302 --> 01:22:21,370
>> Wait, is this after the development or before the

1166
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:22,572
development? >> This is after the

1167
01:22:22,572 --> 01:22:23,306
development. >> OK.

1168
01:22:23,306 --> 01:22:28,178
>> OK. Then we go to -- let me just add

1169
01:22:28,178 --> 01:22:31,848
onto that that all the other movements that are associated

1170
01:22:31,848 --> 01:22:36,648
with that intersection, they're running C or better.

1171
01:22:36,852 --> 01:22:41,123
So the only one in particular that's kind of running at level

1172
01:22:41,123 --> 01:22:47,723
of service D is just the southbound left from Valley onto

1173
01:22:48,330 --> 01:22:51,934
Plum Creek. Now we get into Valley Drive and

1174
01:22:51,934 --> 01:22:54,404
5th. This is with build out 20 years

1175
01:22:54,404 --> 01:22:58,604
with the assumption of signalization at the

1176
01:22:59,141 --> 01:23:02,741
intersection. That signalization is part of

1177
01:23:02,945 --> 01:23:06,545
the construction that's going on now.

1178
01:23:07,150 --> 01:23:11,950
For operations, peak hour operations, we're looking at

1179
01:23:13,890 --> 01:23:16,559
level of service A for both morning and afternoon.

1180
01:23:16,559 --> 01:23:18,360
>> With the signal? >> With the signal.

1181
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:23,160
>> OK. I'll stop there and give it over

1182
01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:26,102
to somebody else. >> Thank you Mayor Pro Tem.

1183
01:23:26,102 --> 01:23:29,238
Council member Davis. >> Can you go back to the

1184
01:23:29,238 --> 01:23:34,380
limited connections? >> You want to keep the traffic

1185
01:23:37,847 --> 01:23:43,247
engineer up here if you want me up here?

1186
01:23:44,454 --> 01:23:46,990
>> I live in an older neighborhood, too.

1187
01:23:46,990 --> 01:23:51,861
Having development surrounding you, you get to a kind of a

1188
01:23:51,861 --> 01:23:55,640
level of living what you think is important to you.

1189
01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:02,864
I think making the cul-de-sacs on ash and elm is -- I wouldn't

1190
01:24:05,541 --> 01:24:11,681
-- I wouldn't say "required" but I would "highly" recommend that.

1191
01:24:11,681 --> 01:24:15,170
I don't like having a new development dump onto an older

1192
01:24:15,170 --> 01:24:18,870
neighborhood. We talked about that at Pine

1193
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:21,558
Canyon. I know I've seen Mike a couple

1194
01:24:21,558 --> 01:24:25,495
of times and his engineering firm on a number of

1195
01:24:25,495 --> 01:24:27,960
developments. There are six exits out of here.

1196
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,699
It sounds nice but for all of the people that live around

1197
01:24:30,699 --> 01:24:35,380
that, just -- it doesn't -- it doesn't seem fair that you need

1198
01:24:35,380 --> 01:24:37,774
six exits. I see Valley.

1199
01:24:37,774 --> 01:24:43,174
That's totally required. Eaton, that dumps into a round

1200
01:24:49,252 --> 01:24:52,852
about. That's a pretty good idea.

1201
01:24:53,589 --> 01:24:56,993
Ash and Elm, I would highly push to make those cul-de-sacs.

1202
01:24:56,993 --> 01:25:04,867
There was a rumor about C1/C2 in the top left corner about maybe

1203
01:25:04,867 --> 01:25:10,539
the town buying that portion. I know the people that live on

1204
01:25:10,539 --> 01:25:13,342
Sierra Street, that's quite the view that we've had for a long

1205
01:25:13,342 --> 01:25:15,211
time. Is that a possibility, Mike,

1206
01:25:15,211 --> 01:25:18,815
that we tried to talk to somebody about?

1207
01:25:18,815 --> 01:25:23,150
That portion? >> Well, certainly I think we've

1208
01:25:26,210 --> 01:25:32,210
already had that idea introduced already by council member Brooks

1209
01:25:32,295 --> 01:25:35,295
but certainly there's always opportunities.

1210
01:25:36,366 --> 01:25:39,502
It just depends on where there's a willingness on the other side.

1211
01:25:39,502 --> 01:25:44,302
I mean -- >> Could we have a conversation

1212
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:48,110
with Mr. hall about that? >> Staff has discussed

1213
01:25:48,110 --> 01:25:53,916
acquisition with the Memmen family and also with Mr. Hall in

1214
01:25:53,916 --> 01:25:57,520
previous year. It's not been indicated they

1215
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:58,921
were interested in talking to the town about selling to the

1216
01:25:58,921 --> 01:26:01,321
town. That may change.

1217
01:26:04,861 --> 01:26:07,196
Is that a good response to your question?

1218
01:26:07,196 --> 01:26:08,464
>> Yeah, I heard someone out there.

1219
01:26:08,464 --> 01:26:10,466
>> I'm responding to you. >> Sure.

1220
01:26:10,466 --> 01:26:12,466
OK. All right.

1221
01:26:15,337 --> 01:26:17,745
>> If there's more out there, we'll stop the meeting.

1222
01:26:17,745 --> 01:26:20,145
Thank you. Thank you.

1223
01:26:27,487 --> 01:26:30,487
Any further questions from council?

1224
01:26:33,494 --> 01:26:37,698
Mayor Pro Tem Cavey? >> I'd like to try to articulate

1225
01:26:37,698 --> 01:26:41,501
maybe what Mark was trying to get at.

1226
01:26:41,501 --> 01:26:47,508
That ridge that I talked about where the tree line is, I think

1227
01:26:47,508 --> 01:26:50,440
there was a few of the larger lots.

1228
01:26:50,440 --> 01:26:56,784
Maybe we can try to facilitate a discussion with Mr. hall about

1229
01:26:56,784 --> 01:26:59,186
purchasing that part of the property as open space.

1230
01:26:59,186 --> 01:27:00,721
>> I think that's a great idea. >> OK.

1231
01:27:00,721 --> 01:27:04,858
Thank you. >> We have tried to have those

1232
01:27:04,858 --> 01:27:08,595
conversations in the past and they haven't gone anywhere but,

1233
01:27:08,595 --> 01:27:11,598
um, I always believe we can be optimistic in the future and see

1234
01:27:11,598 --> 01:27:15,798
if there's interest in selling the property.

1235
01:27:16,203 --> 01:27:21,676
If there's no interest in selling the property, as Council

1236
01:27:21,676 --> 01:27:25,212
knows, you have the ability to acquire through eminent domain.

1237
01:27:25,212 --> 01:27:30,484
So that's an option that the community has as well.

1238
01:27:30,484 --> 01:27:35,823
There's challenges with that and there's costs with that.

1239
01:27:35,823 --> 01:27:40,761
But we would like to have a willing seller that might be

1240
01:27:40,761 --> 01:27:46,567
interested in our ability to buy some because we know space is an

1241
01:27:46,567 --> 01:27:50,370
important priority for the community and for

1242
01:27:50,370 --> 01:27:52,973
>> That would preserve the ridge and would help the community

1243
01:27:52,973 --> 01:27:56,444
that lives there. It would reduce the density,

1244
01:27:56,444 --> 01:28:00,380
traffic and it would be a good will offering to all of the

1245
01:28:00,380 --> 01:28:06,520
people that have showed up here today in concern of their

1246
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:07,721
properties that surround this development.

1247
01:28:07,721 --> 01:28:10,121
Thank you. >> Thank you.

1248
01:28:10,991 --> 01:28:15,996
All right. I have a question for Mr. Hall.

1249
01:28:15,996 --> 01:28:23,196
Would -- Mr. Hall, on the buffering, is there a way to

1250
01:28:28,208 --> 01:28:32,279
increase the buffering when they're about 30 feet to 60 feet

1251
01:28:32,279 --> 01:28:40,790
to 100 feet all the way around? >> Is there a way to do that?

1252
01:28:42,956 --> 01:28:50,156
You would end up with one side being developed and the other

1253
01:28:50,764 --> 01:28:53,834
side being phased on a street. It was very challenging laying

1254
01:28:53,834 --> 01:28:59,834
out the roadways through these portions of the development and

1255
01:29:00,440 --> 01:29:03,711
that basically doubles the cost of the roadway itself increasing

1256
01:29:03,711 --> 01:29:09,183
development costs as well. There is a way to erase those

1257
01:29:09,183 --> 01:29:10,785
lines. They're just lines on paper

1258
01:29:10,785 --> 01:29:15,656
right now that are [indiscernible] but it does have

1259
01:29:15,656 --> 01:29:18,726
an impact to the cost of the development.

1260
01:29:18,726 --> 01:29:19,593
>> Understood. Thank you.

1261
01:29:19,593 --> 01:29:25,332
I just -- we've -- we've tried to work with developers and

1262
01:29:25,332 --> 01:29:28,135
residents about increasing buffers when we can.

1263
01:29:28,135 --> 01:29:31,338
I think -- and especially in this older neighborhood it might

1264
01:29:31,338 --> 01:29:34,542
be important to try to increase that as well.

1265
01:29:34,542 --> 01:29:37,542
But thank you. >> Thank you.

1266
01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:42,550
>> Any more questions from Council?

1267
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:44,618
We have a lot of people signed up tonight.

1268
01:29:44,618 --> 01:29:49,757
I do appreciate you being here. I know that a lot of people

1269
01:29:49,757 --> 01:29:55,757
understand that this land has been dedicated and annexed in

1270
01:29:56,970 --> 01:30:00,297
1983. That does have an awful lot of

1271
01:30:02,236 --> 01:30:05,506
land there. Also, the land where you live

1272
01:30:05,506 --> 01:30:09,376
used to be a Memmen property as well.

1273
01:30:09,376 --> 01:30:15,490
I think that we all believe in land rights and land owner's

1274
01:30:15,490 --> 01:30:17,451
rights but this is a difficult area.

1275
01:30:17,451 --> 01:30:20,721
I do appreciate everyone being here and I do appreciate the

1276
01:30:20,721 --> 01:30:24,792
passion in the room but, again, please have your decorum.

1277
01:30:24,792 --> 01:30:30,192
With that, Kara. >> Does the Council have one of

1278
01:30:40,474 --> 01:30:43,100
my sheets that I handed out? Here they come.

1279
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:49,100
Don't start my clock until they get the sheets, please.

1280
01:30:53,860 --> 01:30:55,155
Basically, I think the numbers speak for themselves.

1281
01:30:55,155 --> 01:30:58,910
Chateau Valley is basically the tip of the iceberg.

1282
01:30:58,910 --> 01:31:01,270
As you can see on our sheet, the explosion in Castle Rock

1283
01:31:01,270 --> 01:31:04,627
consists of 7,989 homes. That's the iceberg.

1284
01:31:05,165 --> 01:31:06,366
We've heard from the water department.

1285
01:31:06,366 --> 01:31:09,436
They said, oh N the future, we're going to have the water.

1286
01:31:09,436 --> 01:31:16,636
Well, they said the same thing for lake Powell and it's empty.

1287
01:31:17,177 --> 01:31:19,646
What kind of guarantees could the water department give us

1288
01:31:19,646 --> 01:31:22,715
that the people that have been here for 48 years are going to

1289
01:31:22,715 --> 01:31:24,985
have water? They can't!

1290
01:31:24,985 --> 01:31:27,855
It's a crap shoot. I think the numbers speak for

1291
01:31:27,855 --> 01:31:30,390
themselves. We got a 31% increase in current

1292
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:33,460
homes. That's based on the numbers here

1293
01:31:33,460 --> 01:31:37,798
that are right off the internet. A 28% increase in population.

1294
01:31:37,798 --> 01:31:41,802
Ridiculous! If you turn the sheet over, I

1295
01:31:41,802 --> 01:31:47,474
think the Council needs to approve a senior ombudsmen for

1296
01:31:47,474 --> 01:31:50,811
seniors pushed out of Castle Rock because of loss of economic

1297
01:31:50,811 --> 01:31:51,879
income. I don't think any of you up

1298
01:31:51,879 --> 01:31:56,483
there take care of the seniors in this city, as noted by my

1299
01:31:56,483 --> 01:32:01,883
water bill of $549. The municipal code is a perfect

1300
01:32:02,156 --> 01:32:06,956
example of the ridiculousness of the water department.

1301
01:32:09,763 --> 01:32:13,363
Section 13.12.130, water discount for seniors 65 years

1302
01:32:13,701 --> 01:32:16,903
and older initiated on December 11th, 2012.

1303
01:32:16,903 --> 01:32:21,103
It's $3 per month. That's not a discount.

1304
01:32:21,375 --> 01:32:27,470
That's an insult. We are now the Aspen and vail of

1305
01:32:27,470 --> 01:32:29,583
the front range. The average service worker and

1306
01:32:29,583 --> 01:32:32,920
senior on fixed income could no longer afford to live in Castle

1307
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,789
Rock. Douglas county is now #8 on the

1308
01:32:35,789 --> 01:32:40,600
national list of richest income per family in the entire United

1309
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,600
States. Congratulations!

1310
01:32:42,730 --> 01:32:46,660
Three in Virginia, three in California, one in Maryland and

1311
01:32:46,660 --> 01:32:51,138
Douglas county, Colorado. Why can't the city do better

1312
01:32:51,138 --> 01:32:56,677
than a 549-dollar water bill for an 80-year-old veteran on fixed

1313
01:32:56,677 --> 01:32:59,547
income who's lived here for 48 years?

1314
01:32:59,547 --> 01:33:03,417
When I moved here in 1978, the population was 3,000.

1315
01:33:03,417 --> 01:33:07,210
We had no water rationing. We had no traffic jams.

1316
01:33:07,210 --> 01:33:11,759
We didn't have the highest gas prices in the area.

1317
01:33:11,759 --> 01:33:13,930
Council, you need to do something.

1318
01:33:13,930 --> 01:33:16,964
I think the city is broken. And by the way, when they

1319
01:33:16,964 --> 01:33:21,969
notified me of the cost increase on my water, I was ambushed.

1320
01:33:21,969 --> 01:33:24,838
My neighborhood was ambushed. He's 90 years old and doesn't

1321
01:33:24,838 --> 01:33:27,842
have a computer. She got the bill.

1322
01:33:27,842 --> 01:33:30,242
It was $408! 20 oakridge drive.

1323
01:33:32,579 --> 01:33:35,916
She put in $20,000 for the landscaping.

1324
01:33:35,916 --> 01:33:40,587
She got a $409 water bill because they lowered the amount

1325
01:33:40,587 --> 01:33:43,324
each individual could use and then they jacked up the rates as

1326
01:33:43,324 --> 01:33:46,860
you used it. I had the exact same issue.

1327
01:33:46,860 --> 01:33:49,397
I was ambushed by the water company.

1328
01:33:49,397 --> 01:33:54,201
I don't mind paying $250 or $300 but the water people in this

1329
01:33:54,201 --> 01:33:57,404
town are out of control! They need to notify the people

1330
01:33:57,404 --> 01:34:02,750
that are using the water way in advance that they're going to be

1331
01:34:02,750 --> 01:34:07,948
penalized for the water that as Mr. Bracken says we have for

1332
01:34:07,948 --> 01:34:10,885
everybody! So basically, that's what I have

1333
01:34:10,885 --> 01:34:13,870
to say. You got my phone number.

1334
01:34:13,870 --> 01:34:14,888
These are the issues that I have.

1335
01:34:14,888 --> 01:34:18,158
And like I said, take care of the seniors that built this town

1336
01:34:18,158 --> 01:34:21,362
and take care of the people that service you, because right now,

1337
01:34:21,362 --> 01:34:23,970
they can't afford to live in Castle Rock.

1338
01:34:23,970 --> 01:34:25,497
Thank you. >> Thank you.

1339
01:34:27,901 --> 01:34:32,390
I have Candace. I'm not going to try to

1340
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:35,639
pronounce your last name. Thank you.

1341
01:34:37,712 --> 01:34:42,512
>> Good evening. Thank you for your service on

1342
01:34:43,250 --> 01:34:49,850
the Town Council and being the Mayor and Mayor Pro Tem.

1343
01:34:50,858 --> 01:34:54,328
It isn't an easy job. I lived in Castle Rock for 46

1344
01:34:54,328 --> 01:34:57,928
years. I currently live on larkspur

1345
01:35:00,934 --> 01:35:02,603
drive, a horseshoe-shaped street off of Santana.

1346
01:35:02,603 --> 01:35:07,403
I've attended three neighborhood meetings with Mr. Hall's

1347
01:35:08,476 --> 01:35:12,130
thorough presentations and every time I've gone to these

1348
01:35:12,130 --> 01:35:18,130
meetings, I haven't ever heard anyone in favor of this.

1349
01:35:18,190 --> 01:35:21,756
It doesn't seem like there's ever a citizen, a current

1350
01:35:21,756 --> 01:35:24,758
citizen who understands what is going on and is in favor of it.

1351
01:35:24,758 --> 01:35:29,629
And I just wondered if you're aware of any citizens, current

1352
01:35:29,629 --> 01:35:37,505
citizens in Castle Rock that are in favor of this and if so, what

1353
01:35:37,505 --> 01:35:39,907
their rationale is. And I don't know if you know

1354
01:35:39,907 --> 01:35:41,907
anybody. [chuckles]

1355
01:35:42,576 --> 01:35:47,914
I mean, I -- I just -- I've been to the meetings and as you see,

1356
01:35:47,914 --> 01:35:50,184
there's a lot of really frustrated people.

1357
01:35:50,184 --> 01:35:56,590
So that's my wonder, anybody who is a current citizen in favor of

1358
01:35:56,590 --> 01:35:59,193
this? If not, does it have to happen?

1359
01:35:59,193 --> 01:36:02,996
I feel like you keep saying it does, because that land was

1360
01:36:02,996 --> 01:36:08,802
allocated a long time ago. Um, I do live off of Santana

1361
01:36:08,802 --> 01:36:12,806
Drive and currently, um, especially when it's snowing,

1362
01:36:12,806 --> 01:36:15,942
two cars cannot pass each other now.

1363
01:36:15,942 --> 01:36:19,746
And so I am a little concerned about that becoming a busier

1364
01:36:19,746 --> 01:36:25,746
road because the homes are paired homes with very short

1365
01:36:25,752 --> 01:36:27,287
driveways. And I don't know if you've seen

1366
01:36:27,287 --> 01:36:32,559
that area, but, um, there isn't -- there isn't very much parking

1367
01:36:32,559 --> 01:36:35,295
now. So I don't know if you would

1368
01:36:35,295 --> 01:36:38,632
eventually limit parking on Santana if you're going to make

1369
01:36:38,632 --> 01:36:44,632
that a busier street. So, um, especially if you give

1370
01:36:45,572 --> 01:36:49,509
cul-de-sacs to Ash and Elm, which is wonderful, I just

1371
01:36:49,509 --> 01:36:51,578
wonder how that's going to work on Santana.

1372
01:36:51,578 --> 01:36:54,470
I don't have a lot of comments that are different than what

1373
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:56,783
everyone else is going to say. I just sort of had questions, so

1374
01:36:56,783 --> 01:36:58,919
thank you for your time and attention.

1375
01:36:58,919 --> 01:37:01,919
>> Thank you, Candace. Appreciate it.

1376
01:37:02,656 --> 01:37:04,656
Vanessa. >> OK, hi.

1377
01:37:18,472 --> 01:37:23,543
So I'm speaking on behalf of the more than 1,300 residents that

1378
01:37:23,543 --> 01:37:29,482
we had signed the redact and revised plateau valley petition.

1379
01:37:29,482 --> 01:37:31,418
Those signatures -- Chateau Valley petition.

1380
01:37:31,418 --> 01:37:35,288
Those signatures represent residents that feel deeply about

1381
01:37:35,288 --> 01:37:37,291
our community. We don't want to stop growth.

1382
01:37:37,291 --> 01:37:38,959
We understand Castle Rock will continue to grow.

1383
01:37:38,959 --> 01:37:43,163
What we're asking for is growth that honors the commitments our

1384
01:37:43,163 --> 01:37:47,768
town has made in the municipal code and the 2030 Comprehensive

1385
01:37:47,768 --> 01:37:50,170
master plan. The petition asks for two

1386
01:37:50,170 --> 01:37:53,400
reasonable modifications, a meaningful natural buffer

1387
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:57,840
between the proposed development and the existing neighborhoods

1388
01:37:58,512 --> 01:38:03,312
including a minimum 150-foot separation and second, greater

1389
01:38:03,851 --> 01:38:07,921
preservation of the existing forested landscape through

1390
01:38:07,921 --> 01:38:12,326
expansion of the memmen ridge open space toward Valley Drive.

1391
01:38:12,326 --> 01:38:15,595
These requests aren't arbitrary. They're directly supported by

1392
01:38:15,595 --> 01:38:19,195
the Castle Rock municipal code section 17.34.0.30.

1393
01:38:21,468 --> 01:38:24,471
The code requires planned development proposals to be

1394
01:38:24,471 --> 01:38:26,874
evaluated with consistency with the town's vision and

1395
01:38:26,874 --> 01:38:29,542
comprehensive master plan and calls for consideration of

1396
01:38:29,542 --> 01:38:31,878
neighborhood compatibility, open space, traffic circulation,

1397
01:38:31,878 --> 01:38:33,747
public safety and the relationship of development to

1398
01:38:33,747 --> 01:38:37,947
surrounding properties. The code further states that

1399
01:38:38,706 --> 01:38:40,307
adequate buffer areas should be provided when warranted.

1400
01:38:40,307 --> 01:38:44,507
Likewise, the town's 2030 comprehensive master plan calls

1401
01:38:45,460 --> 01:38:48,315
in Castle Rock to protect and enhance the natural environment,

1402
01:38:48,315 --> 01:38:52,520
maintain a high quality of life and plan for the acts,

1403
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,321
management and impacts of growth.

1404
01:38:54,321 --> 01:39:00,321
Master plan envisions Casing roll -- Castle Rock remaining a

1405
01:39:01,195 --> 01:39:05,995
small town character. These are principles adopted to

1406
01:39:06,401 --> 01:39:08,602
guide decisions exactly like the ones before you tonight.

1407
01:39:08,602 --> 01:39:11,205
Tonight, the question is not whether homes can be built on

1408
01:39:11,205 --> 01:39:13,674
the property. The question is whether this

1409
01:39:13,674 --> 01:39:16,610
particular plan best fulfills Castle Rock's adopted standards

1410
01:39:16,610 --> 01:39:19,790
and conditions. More than 1,300 residents

1411
01:39:19,790 --> 01:39:22,282
believe it opportunity. More than 1,300 residents are

1412
01:39:22,282 --> 01:39:23,684
asking for meaningful buffering between neighborhoods.

1413
01:39:23,684 --> 01:39:26,888
More than 1,300 residents are asking for greater preservation

1414
01:39:26,888 --> 01:39:31,225
of mature trees, wildlife habitat and open space and more

1415
01:39:31,225 --> 01:39:36,230
than 1,300 residents are asking for a design that better aligns

1416
01:39:36,230 --> 01:39:38,699
with the intent of the municipal code and the comprehensive

1417
01:39:38,699 --> 01:39:42,299
master plan. The comprehensive master plan

1418
01:39:43,170 --> 01:39:47,374
only has meaning when it informs difficult decisions.

1419
01:39:47,374 --> 01:39:50,310
If the town's commitments to protecting natural resources,

1420
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:53,314
preserving community character, maintaining quality of life and

1421
01:39:53,314 --> 01:39:56,583
managing the impacts of growth do not apply here, residents are

1422
01:39:56,583 --> 01:40:01,656
left asking when do they apply? This decision will outlast all

1423
01:40:01,656 --> 01:40:04,658
of us. Once these mature trees are

1424
01:40:04,658 --> 01:40:07,328
removed, once the natural buffers disappear and once the

1425
01:40:07,328 --> 01:40:10,197
landscape is developed, these changes cannot be reversed.

1426
01:40:10,197 --> 01:40:12,666
The question before you is not whether growth should occur.

1427
01:40:12,666 --> 01:40:16,537
Growth is coming. The question is whether the site

1428
01:40:16,537 --> 01:40:19,607
development plan sufficiently satisfies the standards

1429
01:40:19,607 --> 01:40:21,742
established in the municipal code and advances the goals of

1430
01:40:21,742 --> 01:40:24,742
Castle Rock's comprehensive master plan.

1431
01:40:24,812 --> 01:40:27,215
If those findings cannot be made with confidence, the prudent

1432
01:40:27,215 --> 01:40:29,884
course is not approval. The prudent course is revision.

1433
01:40:29,884 --> 01:40:34,622
On behalf of more than 1,300 petition signers, I respectfully

1434
01:40:34,622 --> 01:40:37,425
ask you to deny the Chateau Valley development plan as

1435
01:40:37,425 --> 01:40:39,627
currently proposed and direct the applicant to return with a

1436
01:40:39,627 --> 01:40:44,310
better plan, one that provides meaningful buffering, preserves

1437
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:46,967
more of the existing natural landscape and better reflects

1438
01:40:46,967 --> 01:40:49,170
the vision Castle Rock has established for its future.

1439
01:40:49,170 --> 01:40:52,170
Thank you. >> Thank you, Vanessa.

1440
01:40:53,410 --> 01:40:57,241
Next I have Ron. >> Hi, I'm Ron.

1441
01:41:11,580 --> 01:41:15,997
I live on eaton street very close to the Plum Creek circle

1442
01:41:15,997 --> 01:41:18,398
there. We moved there roughly

1443
01:41:18,398 --> 01:41:22,536
30-something years ago and at the time, we were aware that

1444
01:41:22,536 --> 01:41:26,407
there's potentially going to be a development back there.

1445
01:41:26,407 --> 01:41:32,407
That was planned in 1983. What wasn't planned at that time

1446
01:41:32,813 --> 01:41:35,149
was the water conditions we have here in Colorado.

1447
01:41:35,149 --> 01:41:39,620
It came well before the drought. We had water issues here in

1448
01:41:39,620 --> 01:41:43,290
Castle Rock. We have traffic issues now that

1449
01:41:43,290 --> 01:41:48,696
weren't in existence in 1983. Our traffic and our water are

1450
01:41:48,696 --> 01:41:54,701
unsustainable as it is right now and until there's a plan to

1451
01:41:54,701 --> 01:41:57,638
reduce our -- fix our traffic problem and take care of our

1452
01:41:57,638 --> 01:42:01,508
water problem, I think putting in a new development is not very

1453
01:42:01,508 --> 01:42:05,708
wise. I was encouraged by the fact

1454
01:42:06,380 --> 01:42:12,380
that you're looking at trying to protect current residences from

1455
01:42:14,388 --> 01:42:18,325
creating extra traffic around the three streets, ash, elm and

1456
01:42:18,325 --> 01:42:22,796
Eaton street, however, if you do ash and elm, that's going to

1457
01:42:22,796 --> 01:42:27,201
increase the traffic down Eaton street if you don't do something

1458
01:42:27,201 --> 01:42:28,869
as far as slowing down the traffic on eaton street which is

1459
01:42:28,869 --> 01:42:33,940
already an issue even with the traffic mitigation device we

1460
01:42:33,940 --> 01:42:38,546
have in front of our houses, speed bumps, we still hear daily

1461
01:42:38,546 --> 01:42:41,215
what sounds like a bomb going off in front when a car drives

1462
01:42:41,215 --> 01:42:44,180
over that speed bump going too fast.

1463
01:42:44,180 --> 01:42:49,956
As far as the water goes, I, too, am being priced out.

1464
01:42:49,956 --> 01:42:53,693
I am a retired school teacher on a fixed income.

1465
01:42:53,693 --> 01:42:56,163
I taught in Douglas county for over 30 years and the water

1466
01:42:56,163 --> 01:43:02,763
rates are going astronomic. I can't afford to live here if

1467
01:43:04,504 --> 01:43:07,441
we're going in the direction we are going with the water.

1468
01:43:07,441 --> 01:43:10,444
I think we'd be wise to slow down the development in Castle

1469
01:43:10,444 --> 01:43:13,180
Rock and take care of our water and traffic issues before we

1470
01:43:13,180 --> 01:43:15,249
keep adding on more and more development.

1471
01:43:15,249 --> 01:43:18,719
And I would hope as representatives of our community

1472
01:43:18,719 --> 01:43:24,458
that you would listen -- which I hope you do -- to your

1473
01:43:24,458 --> 01:43:26,460
constituents. As the last speaker said,

1474
01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:31,398
there's 1,300 residents right here right now that are not in

1475
01:43:31,398 --> 01:43:32,666
agreement with putting in this development.

1476
01:43:32,666 --> 01:43:35,666
Thank you. >> Thank you, Ron.

1477
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:38,470
Steve. >> Good evening.

1478
01:43:53,887 --> 01:43:58,759
My name is Steve. I respectfully ask reject or

1479
01:43:58,759 --> 01:44:03,300
defer the approval of the Chateau Valley site

1480
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:04,831
developmental plan until questions are fully resolved.

1481
01:44:04,831 --> 01:44:08,703
Castle Rock municipal code requires development proposals

1482
01:44:08,703 --> 01:44:12,640
to protect public health and safety and common strait --

1483
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,376
demonstrate compliance with the town's standards before approval

1484
01:44:15,376 --> 01:44:19,576
is granted. Applicant zone flood plane study

1485
01:44:21,315 --> 01:44:24,500
shows additional review will still be required.

1486
01:44:24,500 --> 01:44:26,654
If key approvals remain outstanding, how can the town

1487
01:44:26,654 --> 01:44:28,656
confidently approve the final development plan today?

1488
01:44:28,656 --> 01:44:33,327
The study also identifies wetland and aquatic resources

1489
01:44:33,327 --> 01:44:37,865
connected to east plum street and notes the need for federal

1490
01:44:37,865 --> 01:44:40,200
jurisdiction review. If the public hasn't been shown

1491
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:43,204
all environmental reviews and permitting decisions have been

1492
01:44:43,204 --> 01:44:47,693
completed and incorporated into. So with regard to the traffic

1493
01:44:47,693 --> 01:44:50,364
plan, I'd really like to study Gilbert and see how it will

1494
01:44:50,364 --> 01:44:54,564
affect Gilbert. I live on beecham street.

1495
01:44:59,172 --> 01:45:02,108
While I don't partake in the activities that go on on the

1496
01:45:02,108 --> 01:45:05,112
north end of that street, I really appreciate the activities

1497
01:45:05,112 --> 01:45:07,380
that go on on the north end of that street when I drive

1498
01:45:07,380 --> 01:45:09,182
through. I drive through there a lot.

1499
01:45:09,182 --> 01:45:11,317
The kids are playing. There's a lot of people out in

1500
01:45:11,317 --> 01:45:13,787
that neighborhood. And I love it.

1501
01:45:13,787 --> 01:45:15,322
I love that our small town is that way.

1502
01:45:15,322 --> 01:45:20,394
And I think if we connect Eaton street, that would be gone.

1503
01:45:20,394 --> 01:45:22,662
You won't have the kids playing out there anymore.

1504
01:45:22,662 --> 01:45:27,267
You won't have that as that communal area.

1505
01:45:27,267 --> 01:45:29,469
With regard to our water situation, yeah, maybe we have

1506
01:45:29,469 --> 01:45:33,206
it, but it's expensive. And it's just going to get more

1507
01:45:33,206 --> 01:45:35,609
expensive. Also, I don't know if you guys

1508
01:45:35,609 --> 01:45:40,881
have looked into the how adding developments like this increase

1509
01:45:40,881 --> 01:45:44,684
the insurance on your home as well as your automobile but

1510
01:45:44,684 --> 01:45:49,155
there's almost a 100% guarantee that it will increase our prices

1511
01:45:49,155 --> 01:45:53,827
on our homeowner's insurance as well as our automobile insurance

1512
01:45:53,827 --> 01:45:57,427
adding those adjacent neighborhoods almost always

1513
01:45:59,232 --> 01:46:01,501
increases the price. When you're adding the increased

1514
01:46:01,501 --> 01:46:06,373
water price as well as the increased insurance prices as

1515
01:46:06,373 --> 01:46:12,450
well as adding traffic to Gilbert -- Gilbert is by far my

1516
01:46:12,450 --> 01:46:13,713
biggest concern as far as adding this development -- I would ask

1517
01:46:13,713 --> 01:46:19,185
that you might consider eaton street having at least a fire

1518
01:46:19,185 --> 01:46:23,123
block where there's a gate there where it's not actually a

1519
01:46:23,123 --> 01:46:25,592
through street so people that live there still enjoy that

1520
01:46:25,592 --> 01:46:28,327
community. I would also ask that possibly

1521
01:46:28,327 --> 01:46:31,932
maybe reducing those duplexes to actual homes so we don't have

1522
01:46:31,932 --> 01:46:36,203
that huge increase in the number of people driving on Gilbert.

1523
01:46:36,203 --> 01:46:37,671
And thank you for your time. I appreciate it.

1524
01:46:37,671 --> 01:46:40,671
>> Thank you, Casey. Next, Chris.

1525
01:46:56,556 --> 01:46:57,557
>> Hello. Thank you for showing up

1526
01:46:57,557 --> 01:46:58,959
tonight. I appreciate your time on the

1527
01:46:58,959 --> 01:47:03,159
matter. I would like to take this

1528
01:47:04,231 --> 01:47:08,835
opportunity to speak as a member of the society.

1529
01:47:08,835 --> 01:47:16,350
I would like to specifically ask the council to deny the Chateau

1530
01:47:17,844 --> 01:47:23,844
Valley plan currently proposed. My concern isn't the addition of

1531
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:29,188
the 400+ homes, it's the transformation of approximately

1532
01:47:29,188 --> 01:47:31,124
112 acres of natural land and wildlife habitat.

1533
01:47:31,124 --> 01:47:35,128
While the plan may preserve approximately 50 acres of open

1534
01:47:35,128 --> 01:47:38,264
space, I believe we should carefully consider how that

1535
01:47:38,264 --> 01:47:42,268
space will function once surrounded by homes, roads,

1536
01:47:42,268 --> 01:47:45,268
lighting, increased human activity, etc.

1537
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:52,406
Meaningful habitats depends not only on acreage but connectivity

1538
01:47:55,815 --> 01:47:59,218
and buffers of the availability of wildlife to move through the

1539
01:47:59,218 --> 01:48:02,288
landscape. I believe we should consider the

1540
01:48:02,288 --> 01:48:04,891
cummulative effects of continued development Castle Rock has

1541
01:48:04,891 --> 01:48:09,910
experienced significant growth. Each individual project may

1542
01:48:09,895 --> 01:48:14,501
appear reasonable on its own but collectively, these decisions

1543
01:48:14,501 --> 01:48:17,170
determine how much natural land, wildlife habitat and open space

1544
01:48:17,170 --> 01:48:22,509
remain for future generations. The a recent community survey

1545
01:48:22,509 --> 01:48:27,309
found 73% of respondents support preserving more natural areas

1546
01:48:28,448 --> 01:48:34,587
and open space underscoring the importance that we all have on

1547
01:48:34,587 --> 01:48:39,387
protecting these lands. There's another study -- and

1548
01:48:39,592 --> 01:48:46,192
I've actually e-mailed you guys this report -- that shows 73% of

1549
01:48:48,735 --> 01:48:53,535
the natural habitats have been lost for wildlife.

1550
01:48:53,940 --> 01:48:56,900
It's just continued development that's pushing animals out while

1551
01:48:56,900 --> 01:49:03,209
we kind of move in and pollute the surface water and pooled

1552
01:49:06,219 --> 01:49:07,820
groundwater. I'm also concerned about impacts

1553
01:49:07,820 --> 01:49:12,200
on the existing residents. 402 households will bring

1554
01:49:13,493 --> 01:49:16,896
additional traffic, construction and everything that goes with it

1555
01:49:16,896 --> 01:49:18,431
so the character of the surrounding neighborhood will be

1556
01:49:18,431 --> 01:49:22,310
changed as the previous citizen mentioned.

1557
01:49:26,106 --> 01:49:28,441
I recognize that growth and housing are important community

1558
01:49:28,441 --> 01:49:29,776
needs. Of course they are.

1559
01:49:29,776 --> 01:49:33,312
My question is whether this particular project at this scale

1560
01:49:33,312 --> 01:49:38,251
and at this time provides sufficient community benefit to

1561
01:49:38,251 --> 01:49:41,254
justify the permanent impacts. Before moving forward, I would

1562
01:49:41,254 --> 01:49:44,524
encourage the town to provide current, transparent information

1563
01:49:44,524 --> 01:49:49,324
about housing demand including absorption rates and the

1564
01:49:53,132 --> 01:49:57,332
approved unbuilt homes and protected future demands.

1565
01:49:58,672 --> 01:50:02,700
I encourage Castle Rock to consider purchasing the Chateau

1566
01:50:02,700 --> 01:50:05,478
Valley site, if feasible, and preserving it as public open

1567
01:50:05,478 --> 01:50:08,140
space. The town could improve the

1568
01:50:08,140 --> 01:50:11,614
property through habitat restoration, native landscaping

1569
01:50:11,617 --> 01:50:17,170
and wildlife corridors and trails that minimize the impact

1570
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:20,359
and appropriate public access. It would provide a lasting

1571
01:50:20,359 --> 01:50:23,429
community benefit while protecting natural land from

1572
01:50:23,429 --> 01:50:26,900
permanent development. Water also deserves particular

1573
01:50:26,900 --> 01:50:29,900
attention. Colorado's water resources are

1574
01:50:30,103 --> 01:50:32,172
limited and every home creates long-term demand for water.

1575
01:50:32,172 --> 01:50:34,573
The important question is not simply whether the town could

1576
01:50:34,573 --> 01:50:37,977
serve these homes today but whether that supply remains

1577
01:50:37,977 --> 01:50:40,513
sustainable throughout the future drought conditions and

1578
01:50:40,513 --> 01:50:43,382
continued growth. The allotment of water for this

1579
01:50:43,382 --> 01:50:48,254
development should be budgeted -- the allotment of water for

1580
01:50:48,254 --> 01:50:54,854
this development has been based on wetter than average years. al

1581
01:50:56,697 --> 01:51:00,969
character of our community. Please reject the plan as

1582
01:51:00,969 --> 01:51:05,169
currently proposed and explore conservation options before

1583
01:51:05,373 --> 01:51:08,420
preservation is no longer possible.

1584
01:51:08,420 --> 01:51:10,445
Thank you for your time and your consideration.

1585
01:51:10,445 --> 01:51:14,450
>> Thank you, Arianna. Next, Stan Peterson.

1586
01:51:27,610 --> 01:51:31,665
>> Thank you, mayor, and council members for hearing people's

1587
01:51:31,665 --> 01:51:35,265
concerns. I would respectfully request and

1588
01:51:40,207 --> 01:51:43,478
recommend that you would reject the proposed chateau valley

1589
01:51:43,478 --> 01:51:47,681
project. I own three homes in that area

1590
01:51:47,681 --> 01:51:51,281
that will be directly impacted negatively.

1591
01:51:52,153 --> 01:51:59,930
One is right on Valley and Valley is going to be impacted

1592
01:51:59,930 --> 01:52:03,964
by a large degree. My concerns are that significant

1593
01:52:03,964 --> 01:52:06,301
improvements to water distribution and sewer systems

1594
01:52:06,301 --> 01:52:12,301
and streets have to be made, significantly and there hasn't

1595
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:18,460
been enough consideration in my view for the wildlife that is a

1596
01:52:18,460 --> 01:52:22,650
part of our area here. There's a lot of wildlife.

1597
01:52:22,650 --> 01:52:28,256
And if possible, could you bring up the picture of the trees?

1598
01:52:28,256 --> 01:52:31,256
>> No, sir. >> With this proposed

1599
01:52:33,261 --> 01:52:38,661
development, there will be -- well, basically it completely

1600
01:52:38,867 --> 01:52:45,467
cuts off that green space behind the elementary school and the

1601
01:52:46,700 --> 01:52:53,207
green space that is -- large green space that is West of

1602
01:52:54,282 --> 01:53:02,820
Gordon drive and -- or east of Gordon Drive and West of Ridge

1603
01:53:04,759 --> 01:53:10,300
Road completely cutting that off from access for the wildlife.

1604
01:53:10,300 --> 01:53:11,299
I don't believe enough thought has been given to that

1605
01:53:11,299 --> 01:53:15,499
possibility. There's a lot of people who

1606
01:53:17,906 --> 01:53:21,709
value the wildlife in this area and enjoy seeing it.

1607
01:53:21,709 --> 01:53:27,382
And it's taken a big hit with all the huge developments that

1608
01:53:27,382 --> 01:53:31,519
have gone in or those developments have completely cut

1609
01:53:31,519 --> 01:53:36,991
off their -- shall we say -- corridors that they move

1610
01:53:36,991 --> 01:53:39,460
through. And I will say thank you, again,

1611
01:53:39,460 --> 01:53:43,660
for listening to us and our concerns.

1612
01:53:43,998 --> 01:53:47,598
>> Thank you, Stan. Next, Matt O'Neill.

1613
01:53:58,346 --> 01:54:01,749
>> Good evening, everyone. I apologize, first of all, for

1614
01:54:01,749 --> 01:54:05,486
being the one that was mouthy back there and kind of voicing

1615
01:54:05,486 --> 01:54:08,220
my concerns. I think everyone -- you guys

1616
01:54:08,220 --> 01:54:09,557
could kind of feel the temperature in the room.

1617
01:54:09,557 --> 01:54:12,760
Everyone is a little heated and they're not really happy about

1618
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:16,697
the new development and the traffic and the water and

1619
01:54:16,697 --> 01:54:19,299
everything else that's going to come along with this.

1620
01:54:19,299 --> 01:54:23,371
Um, a few things -- at the last minute, a few things I was real

1621
01:54:23,371 --> 01:54:27,108
concerned about that we brought up -- I didn't realize it'd be a

1622
01:54:27,108 --> 01:54:29,243
different group. It was the planning committee

1623
01:54:29,243 --> 01:54:30,978
last time. Not you guys so -- I brought up

1624
01:54:30,978 --> 01:54:34,315
that it's weird they put signs at the very end of these

1625
01:54:34,315 --> 01:54:36,717
streets. So I live at the end of Ash.

1626
01:54:36,717 --> 01:54:39,987
I lived there for 12 years. I raised my son there.

1627
01:54:39,987 --> 01:54:42,523
He's 11 years old. A bunch of neighborhood kids.

1628
01:54:42,523 --> 01:54:44,859
Everyone has a blast. You know, all of these kids are

1629
01:54:44,859 --> 01:54:48,529
running around and having fun. We still have the turnaround

1630
01:54:48,529 --> 01:54:52,399
traffic and that kind of stuff. I fear if we do open up these

1631
01:54:52,399 --> 01:54:55,269
roads and send all of these cars down here, someone is going to

1632
01:54:55,269 --> 01:54:57,672
end up getting hurt. One of the kids is going to run

1633
01:54:57,672 --> 01:55:00,208
out into the street -- I guess it could happen on any street

1634
01:55:00,208 --> 01:55:04,780
but if we have the opportunity to do the emergency accesses,

1635
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:07,615
that's great! You know, but then look at

1636
01:55:07,615 --> 01:55:10,218
Eaton. If they don't get one or if

1637
01:55:10,218 --> 01:55:14,880
Valley doesn't get one and so on, we're putting other kids in

1638
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:16,230
danger, too. So hoping -- I mean, you talked

1639
01:55:16,230 --> 01:55:18,425
about it, Max, maybe the town could buy it.

1640
01:55:18,425 --> 01:55:21,963
You guys were talking about possibly buying that property

1641
01:55:21,963 --> 01:55:27,963
just like Lost Canyon. We have so many families and

1642
01:55:29,170 --> 01:55:32,400
kids that like to go hiking and taking their dogs out and things

1643
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:33,374
like that. That would be a great

1644
01:55:33,374 --> 01:55:36,511
opportunity right in the middle of town to have a big open area.

1645
01:55:36,511 --> 01:55:37,712
Hopefully you guys will consider that.

1646
01:55:37,712 --> 01:55:40,447
Like I said, I apologize for my mouth back there.

1647
01:55:40,447 --> 01:55:44,118
I wasn't trying to be rude but I'm just trying to -- I'm angry.

1648
01:55:44,118 --> 01:55:47,855
You know what I mean? I've lived here for 12 years in

1649
01:55:47,855 --> 01:55:50,258
that house. I bought this house in a nice,

1650
01:55:50,258 --> 01:55:53,858
quiet neighborhood. Like everyone said, there's

1651
01:55:53,995 --> 01:55:56,640
wildlife. We have bears that get into our

1652
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:56,931
trash cans. Whatever.

1653
01:55:56,931 --> 01:56:02,331
We'll clean it up. We have bears, coyotes, turkeys

1654
01:56:03,804 --> 01:56:07,141
and all of that wildlife back there that will get completely

1655
01:56:07,141 --> 01:56:09,677
misplaced. They're going to end out on the

1656
01:56:09,677 --> 01:56:11,479
roads. They're going to get hit, run

1657
01:56:11,479 --> 01:56:13,881
over and pushed into the other neighborhoods.

1658
01:56:13,881 --> 01:56:17,485
It's just going to -- just like anywhere in town -- do you guys

1659
01:56:17,485 --> 01:56:20,154
live -- I don't know if you guys live in town -- you probably

1660
01:56:20,154 --> 01:56:22,690
can't answer my questions -- but I don't know if you live in that

1661
01:56:22,690 --> 01:56:25,293
neighborhood. This guy's traffic study behind

1662
01:56:25,293 --> 01:56:28,829
me is complete bogus. There's so much traffic -- as I

1663
01:56:28,829 --> 01:56:32,232
take my son to school in the morning, the round about at

1664
01:56:32,232 --> 01:56:36,771
7-Eleven will be backed all the way down lake -- a quarter mile

1665
01:56:36,771 --> 01:56:42,376
easily, you can't see the end of the cars down Plum Creek, down

1666
01:56:42,376 --> 01:56:47,581
to Plum Creek to i-25, back down to the fairgrounds.

1667
01:56:47,581 --> 01:56:48,582
The bogus traffic study is nonsense.

1668
01:56:48,582 --> 01:56:53,187
I hope you guys are looking at stuff rather than listening to

1669
01:56:53,187 --> 01:56:56,256
what that guy has to say and taking it for the truth because

1670
01:56:56,256 --> 01:56:57,925
I live there. I see it every single day when I

1671
01:56:57,925 --> 01:57:01,262
take my kid to school so -- I just really hope you guys

1672
01:57:01,262 --> 01:57:03,630
consider this stuff. We all voted for you, right?

1673
01:57:03,630 --> 01:57:05,273
Like, there's going to be votes again.

1674
01:57:05,273 --> 01:57:09,677
So hopefully you guys take into consideration -- I'm not trying

1675
01:57:09,677 --> 01:57:11,746
to be rude. I'm really not.

1676
01:57:11,746 --> 01:57:15,160
But hopefully you guys take into consideration -- I haven't heard

1677
01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:18,190
one person in here that says, hey, this is a great idea.

1678
01:57:18,190 --> 01:57:20,221
Let's do it. I mean, so -- thank you, guys.

1679
01:57:20,221 --> 01:57:24,421
Thank you for your time. Appreciate you.

1680
01:57:24,558 --> 01:57:26,958
>> Thank you. Jennifer Reid.

1681
01:57:37,238 --> 01:57:40,108
>> Good evening. My name is Jennifer Reid.

1682
01:57:40,108 --> 01:57:45,460
I've been a resident -- we moved back 12 years ago.

1683
01:57:45,460 --> 01:57:49,384
I'm a teacher over at Mesa middle school as well.

1684
01:57:49,384 --> 01:57:54,721
I live right at the intersection of valley and Santana.

1685
01:57:54,721 --> 01:57:58,392
As Mayor Pro Tem Cavey so adeptly noticed, the open space

1686
01:57:58,392 --> 01:58:02,396
mentioned in the presentation will be a concrete corridor of

1687
01:58:02,396 --> 01:58:06,660
an existing creek bed. It will not be true open space

1688
01:58:06,660 --> 01:58:10,710
that will allow plants to flourish naturally, animals to

1689
01:58:10,710 --> 01:58:13,140
travel or even burrow. The location is of the "open

1690
01:58:13,140 --> 01:58:16,877
spaces" are the only areas that Mr. Hall would not be able to

1691
01:58:16,877 --> 01:58:19,213
build due to the floodplains. It's curious.

1692
01:58:19,213 --> 01:58:21,749
If you come out to our neighborhood, you'll see the

1693
01:58:21,749 --> 01:58:25,687
plan in the presentation are designed to highlight the

1694
01:58:25,687 --> 01:58:28,356
supposed gives but don't acknowledge the reality of the

1695
01:58:28,356 --> 01:58:33,756
land intended to be developed. The aforementioned PUD that

1696
01:58:34,495 --> 01:58:37,498
bumps up against the 12 buildings there will exacerbate

1697
01:58:37,498 --> 01:58:40,768
the flooding concerns of that drainage area right off of

1698
01:58:40,768 --> 01:58:44,368
Sierra. At councilman Davis' house, the

1699
01:58:46,774 --> 01:58:49,777
development director said building a huge retaining wall

1700
01:58:49,777 --> 01:58:53,314
instead of leveling that area, that ridge, she said a retaining

1701
01:58:53,314 --> 01:58:57,452
wall "might be" possible the same way they're doing it at the

1702
01:58:57,452 --> 01:59:00,521
top of Valley although it'll be very difficult and therefore

1703
01:59:00,521 --> 01:59:04,592
costly and unlikely to happen. I hope you will consider looking

1704
01:59:04,592 --> 01:59:09,196
into that possibility, because as an alternative to just

1705
01:59:09,196 --> 01:59:15,402
leveling it when Valley goes through, we'd much rather have a

1706
01:59:15,402 --> 01:59:17,137
retaining wall than having the entire area leveled.

1707
01:59:17,137 --> 01:59:20,740
In terms of traffic, I'd like to mention the children.

1708
01:59:20,740 --> 01:59:24,745
I invite anyone to come down to the end of north Valley on any

1709
01:59:24,745 --> 01:59:30,745
Sunday afternoon to watch the absolutely Ferrill -- Troupe of

1710
01:59:32,352 --> 01:59:34,200
children that make use of the neighborhood-owned basketball

1711
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:35,890
hoops. We're a neighborhood trapped in

1712
01:59:35,890 --> 01:59:38,225
the 1990's. We're filled with laughter and

1713
01:59:38,225 --> 01:59:41,962
people who shovel each other's snowy drives in the middle of

1714
01:59:41,962 --> 01:59:45,499
winter without having a second thought.

1715
01:59:45,499 --> 01:59:50,437
I know it was in the master plan but as the plan -- as this plan

1716
01:59:50,437 --> 01:59:52,906
is written and discussed, I hope this will be considered.

1717
01:59:52,906 --> 01:59:58,446
There are also homes that open directly onto Valley, Similarly

1718
01:59:58,446 --> 02:00:01,649
to the way they do Gilbert. Anyone who drives down Gilbert,

1719
02:00:01,649 --> 02:00:04,500
you know the driveways open straight on there and it's

1720
02:00:04,500 --> 02:00:06,520
difficult. There are homes on Valley that

1721
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:10,191
do the very same. So I absolutely agree with the

1722
02:00:10,191 --> 02:00:12,859
gentleman who expressed concerns about the traffic volume on

1723
02:00:12,859 --> 02:00:16,664
Valley as it will become an equivalent street to that of

1724
02:00:16,664 --> 02:00:18,598
Gilbert, a street on which no child can play.

1725
02:00:18,598 --> 02:00:22,202
We understand that the land is privately owned and will be

1726
02:00:22,202 --> 02:00:24,872
sold. We understand that it was zoned

1727
02:00:24,872 --> 02:00:28,676
for homes 43 years ago. We understand that Castle Rock

1728
02:00:28,676 --> 02:00:32,120
is incredible and as people want to move here that growth is

1729
02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:34,949
inevitable. In the last five years, in

1730
02:00:34,949 --> 02:00:39,486
neighborhood meetings, we asked for compromised from the

1731
02:00:39,486 --> 02:00:42,423
developers such as widened buffers between homes because 30

1732
02:00:42,423 --> 02:00:46,226
feet still allows neighbors to see what they're eating for

1733
02:00:46,226 --> 02:00:48,429
dinner. There was an error in the

1734
02:00:48,429 --> 02:00:50,970
numbers provided in the buffer, it didn't account for the five

1735
02:00:50,970 --> 02:00:53,233
feet of setback. That's 25 feet of true buffer in

1736
02:00:53,233 --> 02:00:55,836
some areas. We've asked for the reduction of

1737
02:00:55,836 --> 02:00:58,772
density to alleviate pressures on the water and the traffic,

1738
02:00:58,772 --> 02:01:02,375
both challenges we already are faced with.

1739
02:01:02,375 --> 02:01:05,980
Miss Vargish said there was a reduction from 423 homes to 402

1740
02:01:05,980 --> 02:01:07,848
homes. That's 21 homes.

1741
02:01:07,848 --> 02:01:12,186
A reduction of 4.9%. Less than 5% is not a give.

1742
02:01:12,186 --> 02:01:15,322
That's an upcharge that was built into the original plan so

1743
02:01:15,322 --> 02:01:18,992
that pointing it out today might feel like there was a win.

1744
02:01:18,992 --> 02:01:22,596
On the flip side, there was a commitment to transplant the 100

1745
02:01:22,596 --> 02:01:25,799
trees and that number has been reduced to 60, although miss

1746
02:01:25,799 --> 02:01:30,204
Vargish now says it was a typo. We've asked for larger custom

1747
02:01:30,204 --> 02:01:34,141
lots so Mr. Hall and Chateau Valley could keep or even

1748
02:01:34,141 --> 02:01:36,477
increase the profit margins while reducing some of the

1749
02:01:36,477 --> 02:01:41,277
concerning impacts. At every turn, I personally have

1750
02:01:41,615 --> 02:01:42,683
printed the flyers. >> Thank you, Jennifer.

1751
02:01:42,683 --> 02:01:48,830
Appreciate it. Perry -- not sure what your last

1752
02:01:48,355 --> 02:01:52,555
name s Perry. -- name s Perry.

1753
02:01:53,494 --> 02:01:58,294
-- name is, Perry. >> Hello, Mr. Mayor, council

1754
02:02:04,171 --> 02:02:06,571
members. I'm Terry Beae.

1755
02:02:11,244 --> 02:02:15,382
Lived in Castle Rock for over 30 years.

1756
02:02:15,382 --> 02:02:18,786
Our house backs up to the proposed development.

1757
02:02:18,786 --> 02:02:22,790
I'm going to second what a lot of people have said already.

1758
02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:28,262
But first, I want to commend you on the Council for your

1759
02:02:28,262 --> 02:02:31,262
commitment to preserving open space.

1760
02:02:39,500 --> 02:02:43,811
Things like Lost Canyon Ranch and other places that you have

1761
02:02:43,811 --> 02:02:47,411
purchased. Some of these properties were

1762
02:02:47,614 --> 02:02:53,614
zoned originally for business and the town has purchased them.

1763
02:02:55,689 --> 02:02:59,360
So I am encouraging you to consider doing that for this

1764
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:02,763
whole property, not just part of it.

1765
02:03:02,763 --> 02:03:08,350
This is a unique piece of land in Castle Rock.

1766
02:03:08,350 --> 02:03:09,503
It's right in the middle of town.

1767
02:03:09,503 --> 02:03:17,500
It's a natural area thing aboutn the central part of a town is

1768
02:03:17,500 --> 02:03:21,587
open space in the central part of a town is psychologically

1769
02:03:21,587 --> 02:03:25,391
good for everyone. I was just in New York running

1770
02:03:25,391 --> 02:03:29,595
around central park. If the New Yorkers didn't have

1771
02:03:29,595 --> 02:03:33,132
Central Park, they'd probably be crazier than they are now.

1772
02:03:33,132 --> 02:03:36,736
You have to protect the open space in the central part of

1773
02:03:36,736 --> 02:03:39,736
town. And so having 10,000 planned

1774
02:03:41,808 --> 02:03:46,680
housing units right now on the slate that are approved in the

1775
02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:53,286
town limits of Castle Rock, why do you need 400 more right smack

1776
02:03:53,286 --> 02:03:58,358
dab in the center. OK, as far as traffic, I was

1777
02:03:58,358 --> 02:04:04,830
here basically when Valley Drive was planned and it's a dead end.

1778
02:04:04,830 --> 02:04:07,300
If it would have been punched through when we had 3,000

1779
02:04:07,300 --> 02:04:09,635
people, who cares? No problem.

1780
02:04:09,635 --> 02:04:14,708
if we reach 130,000 like we're supposed to, who knows what is

1781
02:04:14,708 --> 02:04:20,646
going to happen to traffic? I can relate it to the movie

1782
02:04:20,646 --> 02:04:21,647
"Jurassic Park," life finds a way.

1783
02:04:21,647 --> 02:04:24,718
I think traffic is the same way. Traffic will find a way to clog

1784
02:04:24,718 --> 02:04:29,122
up that street and here is the thing about cut-through traffic,

1785
02:04:29,122 --> 02:04:34,728
it doesn't only affect people that are cutting through on

1786
02:04:34,728 --> 02:04:41,928
Valley Drive or South Street orr the other ones that it's cutting

1787
02:04:42,602 --> 02:04:48,602
through, if Valley Drive gets congested, the traffic will flow

1788
02:04:49,141 --> 02:04:52,479
to other streets in the neighborhood.

1789
02:04:52,479 --> 02:04:55,748
Like Gordon drive. We'll have dangerous cut-through

1790
02:04:55,748 --> 02:04:59,752
traffic just like one of the guys just mentioned where the

1791
02:04:59,752 --> 02:05:02,354
kids play, where people ride bikes, where people are just,

1792
02:05:02,354 --> 02:05:05,158
you know, out and about. That's dangerous that kind of

1793
02:05:05,158 --> 02:05:08,270
cut-through traffic. People that come through those

1794
02:05:08,270 --> 02:05:10,229
neighborhoods who don't live there, you know, they're in a

1795
02:05:10,229 --> 02:05:13,633
hurry. So any way, I have a lot more

1796
02:05:13,633 --> 02:05:16,369
but I guess I'm about up. But thank you very much for your

1797
02:05:16,369 --> 02:05:19,505
time and for listening to us. >> Thank you, Larry.

1798
02:05:19,505 --> 02:05:24,305
Next, Nicky Hoy. >> Thrilled to be here, Mayor

1799
02:05:36,589 --> 02:05:42,589
and Council People. I live at the end of Valley.

1800
02:05:43,195 --> 02:05:47,395
We've been there for about eight years.

1801
02:05:47,533 --> 02:05:52,933
I've lived in Douglas county since, let's see, about 1988,

1802
02:05:54,874 --> 02:06:00,874
something like that. And I have worked in the county

1803
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:05,284
for the last -- well, when I retired, I had worked for the

1804
02:06:05,284 --> 02:06:07,953
county for 20 years in the assessor's office.

1805
02:06:07,953 --> 02:06:10,823
We have lots of maps. We don't have subdivision maps,

1806
02:06:10,823 --> 02:06:13,292
though. But I've seen a lot of maps in

1807
02:06:13,292 --> 02:06:17,697
my day. And the first meeting that we

1808
02:06:17,697 --> 02:06:25,497
had here, the developers had a map -- the developer had a map

1809
02:06:25,705 --> 02:06:28,841
of all of the surrounding area of this development and I got up

1810
02:06:28,841 --> 02:06:34,841
and I said, "all of the surrounding lots around your

1811
02:06:35,181 --> 02:06:41,530
development are much larger than what you're putting in that

1812
02:06:41,530 --> 02:06:44,530
area." And that's my concern.

1813
02:06:46,926 --> 02:06:52,640
I have a very big concern of the amount of houses there and it's

1814
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:56,135
already been addressed. But see the tiny little ones

1815
02:06:56,135 --> 02:06:59,739
down there? I would assume that those are

1816
02:06:59,739 --> 02:07:03,939
the duplexes. Our duplexes right before --

1817
02:07:04,544 --> 02:07:12,344
right when you get -- well, it's a long, um, it's along South

1818
02:07:13,190 --> 02:07:15,954
Street. We have duplexes that have a

1819
02:07:15,954 --> 02:07:21,354
front yard, a good-sized front yard, a good-sized backyard.

1820
02:07:24,897 --> 02:07:29,435
There's no shred of grass at all where those duplexes are, unless

1821
02:07:29,435 --> 02:07:33,506
he has a plan that he could explain to you better than what

1822
02:07:33,506 --> 02:07:37,844
I could see on that. But it's pretty dense from what

1823
02:07:37,844 --> 02:07:43,244
the surrounding area is. And that is my complaint.

1824
02:07:43,315 --> 02:07:45,117
Thank you very much for your time.

1825
02:07:45,117 --> 02:07:49,317
>> Thank you, Nicky. Next, I have vicenzo.

1826
02:08:02,935 --> 02:08:08,335
>> Good evening, Honorable mayor and Honorable members of the

1827
02:08:09,608 --> 02:08:13,612
council. This is a very large plan and it

1828
02:08:13,612 --> 02:08:18,885
will impact the amount of density without a clear bit of

1829
02:08:18,885 --> 02:08:22,485
evidence that our infrastructure, water supply,

1830
02:08:24,156 --> 02:08:28,956
traffic and public safety can absorb this development.

1831
02:08:32,899 --> 02:08:38,771
Take the example of traffic. Our own town transportation plan

1832
02:08:38,771 --> 02:08:43,571
already shows congestion on Crowfoot Valley and Meadows

1833
02:08:50,583 --> 02:08:53,583
Parkway. Adding 400+ homes would surely

1834
02:08:54,120 --> 02:09:00,120
add to my estimate 4,000+ daily traffic going through this area.

1835
02:09:05,465 --> 02:09:08,801
This will definitely affect the quality of life that we enjoy

1836
02:09:08,801 --> 02:09:16,100
here in Castle Rock. So I will urge the member of the

1837
02:09:16,208 --> 02:09:18,678
council we will do an independent study to find out

1838
02:09:18,678 --> 02:09:22,482
how this traffic will impact the quality of life that we enjoy

1839
02:09:22,482 --> 02:09:26,820
currently. Take the issue of water.

1840
02:09:26,954 --> 02:09:29,824
We are a water-constrained community.

1841
02:09:29,824 --> 02:09:34,624
We rely heavily on nonrenewable groundwater and expensive

1842
02:09:35,897 --> 02:09:40,697
renewable water projects. Have we verified that the

1843
02:09:42,703 --> 02:09:48,103
long-term impact of it? This will automatically to my

1844
02:09:51,445 --> 02:09:54,115
judgment rise the water rate for those of us who already live

1845
02:09:54,115 --> 02:09:56,115
here. Public safety.

1846
02:09:58,719 --> 02:10:03,190
That would be the police, the fire department, emergency

1847
02:10:03,190 --> 02:10:06,327
medical services. Staffing level already is

1848
02:10:06,327 --> 02:10:12,927
stretched to the point that can we really absorb the additional

1849
02:10:16,537 --> 02:10:17,538
burden that strained our resources?

1850
02:10:17,538 --> 02:10:20,875
Can we still maintain the standard we set about response

1851
02:10:20,875 --> 02:10:25,675
time for public safety? And finally, the community

1852
02:10:26,481 --> 02:10:29,481
characteristic. Density growth always strains

1853
02:10:31,219 --> 02:10:34,219
our roads, schools and utilities.

1854
02:10:34,956 --> 02:10:41,556
So I would respectfully ask that you push this project from

1855
02:10:43,697 --> 02:10:46,367
approving and have independent studies on all three major

1856
02:10:46,367 --> 02:10:52,967
issues, that is public safety, water and quality of our life.

1857
02:10:54,642 --> 02:10:55,843
I would greatly appreciate your consideration.

1858
02:10:55,843 --> 02:10:59,313
Thank you for listening. And thank you for the

1859
02:10:59,313 --> 02:11:03,513
opportunity to speak to you. Thank you.

1860
02:11:04,520 --> 02:11:06,520
>> Thank you. Scott.

1861
02:11:16,130 --> 02:11:17,398
>> Thank you for letting me speak.

1862
02:11:17,398 --> 02:11:21,736
I do have a couple concerns. Everybody has brought it up.

1863
02:11:21,736 --> 02:11:25,139
It's as far as the traffic. And the traffic -- I live off of

1864
02:11:25,139 --> 02:11:26,474
Ash. I don't know if anybody's been

1865
02:11:26,474 --> 02:11:31,678
up on Ash or those neighborhoods up there, but we don't have an

1866
02:11:31,678 --> 02:11:34,881
HOA where we can actually park on the street.

1867
02:11:34,881 --> 02:11:37,417
People park their vehicles on the side of the roadway.

1868
02:11:37,417 --> 02:11:39,953
The sidewalks are only two feet in length, in width, I mean.

1869
02:11:39,953 --> 02:11:44,492
If you have a car on both sides, there's only 22 feet of roadway

1870
02:11:44,492 --> 02:11:46,160
to actually travel. So increasing all of that

1871
02:11:46,160 --> 02:11:49,230
traffic from that neighborhood through those side streets

1872
02:11:49,230 --> 02:11:51,298
because they're not -- this weren't designed for that,

1873
02:11:51,298 --> 02:11:53,700
right? Now, we're going to push more

1874
02:11:53,700 --> 02:11:56,237
traffic through there? That's very concerning to me.

1875
02:11:56,237 --> 02:11:59,973
I have a child. I know that went to Mesa middle

1876
02:11:59,973 --> 02:12:03,978
school. She didn't have a bus that was

1877
02:12:03,978 --> 02:12:06,447
consistent that would actually pick her up.

1878
02:12:06,447 --> 02:12:10,500
She had to ride her scooter five miles there and back and then

1879
02:12:10,500 --> 02:12:12,386
you're going to increase that traffic and my child is going to

1880
02:12:12,386 --> 02:12:14,855
be riding on those sidewalks and roadways and everything else

1881
02:12:14,855 --> 02:12:17,525
with that increased traffic? That concerns me.

1882
02:12:17,525 --> 02:12:19,600
OK? These are my concerns and

1883
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:24,331
worries with this. I just -- I urge you to really

1884
02:12:24,331 --> 02:12:28,135
think about how many homes you're putting in there and how

1885
02:12:28,135 --> 02:12:30,337
much traffic is going to push through the roadways that are

1886
02:12:30,337 --> 02:12:32,206
not designed to have that amount of flow of traffic.

1887
02:12:32,206 --> 02:12:37,606
And just like the other gentleman said, there's a

1888
02:12:38,145 --> 02:12:40,614
[indiscernible]. If there's clogs in one of the

1889
02:12:40,614 --> 02:12:42,149
major roadways, they're going to try to find shortcuts.

1890
02:12:42,149 --> 02:12:44,284
People are going to try to go around it.

1891
02:12:44,284 --> 02:12:46,953
Then they start pushing them through the neighborhoods and

1892
02:12:46,953 --> 02:12:50,291
then it becomes even more dangerous for the children.

1893
02:12:50,291 --> 02:12:54,628
One other thing, have we thought about public safety?

1894
02:12:54,628 --> 02:12:58,565
Response times? That increasing as far as

1895
02:12:58,565 --> 02:13:01,435
increasing the police force as far as the fire department.

1896
02:13:01,435 --> 02:13:04,704
What's the response time now? It's like eight minutes for

1897
02:13:04,704 --> 02:13:07,507
priority one calls. Is that going to increase with

1898
02:13:07,507 --> 02:13:08,843
all of these developments coming in?

1899
02:13:08,843 --> 02:13:11,445
Are we going to grow as a community and actually have more

1900
02:13:11,445 --> 02:13:14,848
law enforcement? These are the things I'm

1901
02:13:14,848 --> 02:13:16,983
concerned with. Thank you for your time.

1902
02:13:16,983 --> 02:13:19,383
>> Thank you, Scott. Raven.

1903
02:13:32,399 --> 02:13:34,335
>> Hi. Thank you for your time,

1904
02:13:34,335 --> 02:13:37,404
Council. Really appreciate it me and my

1905
02:13:37,404 --> 02:13:42,204
husband live on sandhurst Drive. We're Terry's neighbor.

1906
02:13:42,610 --> 02:13:44,345
We're on the bottom of the site development plan.

1907
02:13:44,345 --> 02:13:46,881
The entire development plan is behind our home.

1908
02:13:46,881 --> 02:13:53,821
And I would invite all of you to walk down sandhurst Drive.

1909
02:13:53,821 --> 02:13:56,690
Like Terry mentioned, our home backs up to this plan.

1910
02:13:56,690 --> 02:14:00,694
But what he didn't mention is that our properties are built

1911
02:14:00,694 --> 02:14:05,299
into this land. So in my backyard -- I have a

1912
02:14:05,299 --> 02:14:08,502
small backyard and over a six-foot retainer wall and then

1913
02:14:08,502 --> 02:14:13,400
that property begins. So when you talk about a 30-foot

1914
02:14:13,400 --> 02:14:15,976
buffer and you talk about 100-foot buffer, you're talking

1915
02:14:15,976 --> 02:14:21,376
about someone living, towering over me, towering over Terry,

1916
02:14:23,584 --> 02:14:27,784
towering over the neighbors to might right.

1917
02:14:27,788 --> 02:14:30,324
So, yes, I'm worried about traffic.

1918
02:14:30,324 --> 02:14:34,261
I'm worried about water, but I'm worried about my privacy.

1919
02:14:34,261 --> 02:14:39,200
That means the neighborhood behind me -- that means the

1920
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:41,268
neighbor behind me would see into my backyard.

1921
02:14:41,268 --> 02:14:44,137
They would see into my master bedroom.

1922
02:14:44,137 --> 02:14:47,141
They would see into my kitchen. They would see into my living

1923
02:14:47,141 --> 02:14:49,877
room. They would see into every major

1924
02:14:49,877 --> 02:14:55,549
communal space in my home on every floor but the basement.

1925
02:14:55,549 --> 02:14:59,149
That's a huge invasion of privacy.

1926
02:14:59,687 --> 02:15:04,225
So I ask for each of you to think about the privacy in your

1927
02:15:04,225 --> 02:15:08,229
own homes and how much that is worth to you and how you would

1928
02:15:08,229 --> 02:15:12,900
feel to sit in your living room which has these beautiful

1929
02:15:12,900 --> 02:15:15,169
floor-to-ceiling windows that you loved when you walked into

1930
02:15:15,169 --> 02:15:18,639
the home. It was an absolute selling

1931
02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:21,509
point. But now, you're an animal on

1932
02:15:21,509 --> 02:15:27,914
display in your own home. So that's all I have to say.

1933
02:15:27,914 --> 02:15:31,585
I will also echo the other concerns here in this room but,

1934
02:15:31,585 --> 02:15:39,694
um, if homes have to be builis d for our use here in Castle Rock.

1935
02:15:39,694 --> 02:15:43,964
I know at one of the meetings when Tara was asked what she

1936
02:15:43,964 --> 02:15:46,500
personally would do when faced with a situation like we find

1937
02:15:46,500 --> 02:15:50,838
ourselves in, the director of development herself answered,

1938
02:15:50,838 --> 02:15:52,707
she told my friend simply she wouldn't.

1939
02:15:52,707 --> 02:15:56,643
She would just move away. Well, I'm happy that she has the

1940
02:15:56,643 --> 02:15:58,646
economic strength to just up and leave.

1941
02:15:58,646 --> 02:16:02,717
For many of us living around this parcel of land in some of

1942
02:16:02,717 --> 02:16:06,653
the oldest neighborhoods in the town in small-paired homes on

1943
02:16:06,653 --> 02:16:10,725
the north side, our homes with long histories with memories in

1944
02:16:10,725 --> 02:16:15,729
the south, most of us aren't in a privileged position to do so.

1945
02:16:15,729 --> 02:16:19,533
Mr. app hall's categorization of the $600,000 homes being

1946
02:16:19,533 --> 02:16:21,936
affordable housing is out of touch with the vast majority of

1947
02:16:21,936 --> 02:16:25,730
people in this room. While town abandonment is an

1948
02:16:25,730 --> 02:16:27,750
option, this is our home and we don't want to leave.

1949
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:32,480
So we ask you, please, for your consideration and time.

1950
02:16:32,480 --> 02:16:35,816
I'm encouraged to hear wonderfully reasonable

1951
02:16:35,816 --> 02:16:37,885
suggestions about buying a piece of this land to preserve the

1952
02:16:37,885 --> 02:16:44,250
ridge, to increase the buffer. As you continue to consider this

1953
02:16:44,250 --> 02:16:49,290
proposal, we ask that you would consider not those that now live

1954
02:16:49,290 --> 02:16:55,629
in Texas and other states but devote to the residents of

1955
02:16:56,570 --> 02:17:00,974
Castle Rock. The voters who live here now and

1956
02:17:00,974 --> 02:17:03,510
whom you see in the room tonight asking to be heard.

1957
02:17:03,510 --> 02:17:09,510
Thank you for your time. >> If I've skipped you over,

1958
02:17:18,592 --> 02:17:25,192
please come to the front. I'll bring it back to town

1959
02:17:27,534 --> 02:17:31,734
council for a possible motion. Max Brooks?

1960
02:17:32,807 --> 02:17:36,770
>> Mr. mayor, thank you. Look, I want to be very clear

1961
02:17:36,770 --> 02:17:41,215
about what I'm about to -- the motion I'm about to make.

1962
02:17:41,215 --> 02:17:47,815
I don't think I articulated correctly so let me just make

1963
02:17:47,889 --> 02:17:53,289
sure that I'm clarifying. When I spoke earlier about

1964
02:17:53,894 --> 02:17:58,694
looking at acquisition of property, specifically the area

1965
02:18:00,234 --> 02:18:05,380
that sits to the existing open space, it was not to imply that

1966
02:18:05,380 --> 02:18:08,643
the town will look at purchasing the entirety of the Chateau

1967
02:18:08,643 --> 02:18:12,379
Valley development. So if I led anybody to believe

1968
02:18:12,379 --> 02:18:18,453
that, I apologize, not my attention nor will that be the

1969
02:18:18,453 --> 02:18:22,790
intent of the motion I'm about to make.

1970
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:28,195
I would like to make a motion to explore property acquisition

1971
02:18:28,195 --> 02:18:34,335
both for that adjacent piece that is south of the existing

1972
02:18:34,335 --> 02:18:39,730
open space but then also the areas in the existing forested

1973
02:18:39,730 --> 02:18:43,143
area proposed in the Chateau Valley development.

1974
02:18:43,143 --> 02:18:48,416
And let me just -- I'm sorry, let me just add that I want to

1975
02:18:48,416 --> 02:18:54,416
ask town staff to explore the various mechanisms they have

1976
02:18:55,556 --> 02:18:59,756
available to them. I believe that collaboration

1977
02:19:00,428 --> 02:19:05,228
begins with communication. There's a path forward here,

1978
02:19:05,699 --> 02:19:07,968
however, I want to make sure we're using all options

1979
02:19:07,968 --> 02:19:11,906
available to us up to and including possible condemnation

1980
02:19:11,906 --> 02:19:17,306
or other options. >> I would like to make a

1981
02:19:19,513 --> 02:19:24,313
friendly amendment. My friendly amendment is that we

1982
02:19:27,922 --> 02:19:34,522
correct town staff and Dave to look at every possible available

1983
02:19:39,533 --> 02:19:43,136
option whether it's Douglas county, whether it's a nature

1984
02:19:43,136 --> 02:19:48,536
conservancy, whether it's money from the Colorado lottery, to

1985
02:19:49,877 --> 02:19:57,770
buy this entire property, all of Memmen Young, not just the part

1986
02:19:58,953 --> 02:20:03,290
that Max Brooks was speaking about and permanently put it in

1987
02:20:03,290 --> 02:20:07,490
a nature conservancy forever and ever, amen.

1988
02:20:08,229 --> 02:20:09,296
[Applause] >> Please, please.

1989
02:20:09,296 --> 02:20:10,297
Thank you. Max?

1990
02:20:10,297 --> 02:20:12,697
. >> Mr. mayor, thank you.

1991
02:20:12,833 --> 02:20:17,237
I believe that would probably serve as best as a separate

1992
02:20:17,237 --> 02:20:21,420
motion honestly. So then that way those are two

1993
02:20:21,420 --> 02:20:25,780
separate -- those are two separate distinct efforts and I

1994
02:20:25,780 --> 02:20:28,783
don't want necessarily to tie them together if one should not

1995
02:20:28,783 --> 02:20:32,983
be successful. >> So Dave and Mike --

1996
02:20:37,658 --> 02:20:41,528
>> We should finish Max's -- >> All we'd need is a second on

1997
02:20:41,528 --> 02:20:44,664
that and then you could make a motion following that

1998
02:20:44,664 --> 02:20:46,600
afterwards. >> There is no second on this

1999
02:20:46,600 --> 02:20:48,936
motion right now. >> OK.

2000
02:20:48,936 --> 02:20:51,336
>> Second. >> Now there is.

2001
02:20:51,605 --> 02:20:53,407
>> First from council member Brooks.

2002
02:20:53,407 --> 02:20:55,343
Second from council member Davis.

2003
02:20:55,343 --> 02:20:58,145
Any further discussion? Roll call vote, please.

2004
02:20:58,145 --> 02:21:00,545
>> Council member Hollingshead? >> Yes.

2005
02:21:01,215 --> 02:21:02,550
>> Council member. [en?

2006
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:04,218
>> Yes. >> Council member Davis?

2007
02:21:04,218 --> 02:21:06,553
>> Yes. >> Council member Brooks?

2008
02:21:06,553 --> 02:21:07,555
>> Aye. >> Council member Dietz?

2009
02:21:07,555 --> 02:21:10,555
>> Yes. >> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey?

2010
02:21:10,691 --> 02:21:12,920
>> Yes. >> Mayor Gray?

2011
02:21:12,920 --> 02:21:14,492
>> Yes. >> Motion passes unanimously.

2012
02:21:21,368 --> 02:21:23,503
>> I'd like to make a motion to continue this to the first

2013
02:21:23,503 --> 02:21:26,390
meeting in January. I'd like to speak on the motion.

2014
02:21:26,390 --> 02:21:28,175
>> Second. >> I have a first for myself and

2015
02:21:28,175 --> 02:21:29,777
second from council member Dietz.

2016
02:21:29,777 --> 02:21:33,180
We'll all speak on this as well. Um, I want to say a few things.

2017
02:21:33,180 --> 02:21:37,451
First, thank you very much. It was very respectful.

2018
02:21:37,451 --> 02:21:41,321
It was very clear and everyone here behaved really, really

2019
02:21:41,321 --> 02:21:44,580
well. I'm really appreciating the

2020
02:21:44,580 --> 02:21:46,871
decorum. Second, um, there's a few things

2021
02:21:46,871 --> 02:21:53,277
I wanted to talk about. One is we have -- there's been

2022
02:21:53,277 --> 02:21:56,747
mention of no growth. There's a state statute that

2023
02:21:56,747 --> 02:21:58,683
won't allow no growth so that's hard.

2024
02:21:58,683 --> 02:22:02,883
I also truly believe in landowners' rights.

2025
02:22:04,489 --> 02:22:08,225
Although this was done in 1983. It's still land owners' rights.

2026
02:22:08,225 --> 02:22:13,625
But I also have other issues with this property.

2027
02:22:15,966 --> 02:22:17,340
I don't think the buffering is enough.

2028
02:22:17,340 --> 02:22:21,380
I think one of the things they did was dissimilar homes and

2029
02:22:21,380 --> 02:22:24,109
dissimilar uses. I think this might fall into

2030
02:22:24,109 --> 02:22:27,109
dissimilar. Even though there are

2031
02:22:28,913 --> 02:22:32,183
single-family homes going into both places, I think they're

2032
02:22:32,183 --> 02:22:36,983
dissimilar enough. Also I would like to direct

2033
02:22:37,122 --> 02:22:39,570
staff to see how much land they can get.

2034
02:22:39,570 --> 02:22:42,727
I think that -- I think we should get as much land as we

2035
02:22:42,727 --> 02:22:44,662
can. I'm not saying we have to get

2036
02:22:44,662 --> 02:22:48,799
all of it. That would be fantastic.

2037
02:22:48,799 --> 02:22:54,720
But I want to see if we can get land back.

2038
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:58,943
I'd like to see the buffers being much better.

2039
02:22:58,943 --> 02:23:02,547
A lot of you guys don't know, I do live in Young American.

2040
02:23:02,547 --> 02:23:05,683
I live in the neighborhood. We have an unwritten rule in

2041
02:23:05,683 --> 02:23:09,883
Young American. We never call authorities or

2042
02:23:14,893 --> 02:23:16,628
bears. Someone had mentioned the signs.

2043
02:23:16,628 --> 02:23:22,299
The signs for new development or anything like that have to go

2044
02:23:22,299 --> 02:23:25,570
next to the property. That's where it goes otherwise

2045
02:23:25,570 --> 02:23:29,240
you'd think it was near the road like Gilbert Street.

2046
02:23:29,240 --> 02:23:31,776
You would think maybe the house is behind it.

2047
02:23:31,776 --> 02:23:36,114
There's a reason and a rationale for a lot of these things.

2048
02:23:36,114 --> 02:23:41,920
But I would like this development to go back to the

2049
02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:46,391
drawing board. Sharpen the pencils and do a

2050
02:23:46,391 --> 02:23:50,528
little better job. Council member Dietz followed by

2051
02:23:50,528 --> 02:23:52,196
Mayor Pro Tem Cavey. >> I agree.

2052
02:23:52,196 --> 02:23:54,666
There's a lot of work left to do here.

2053
02:23:54,666 --> 02:23:57,100
There's a lot of aspects that need to be looked at.

2054
02:23:57,100 --> 02:24:02,720
I think some of you maybe remember me campaigning through

2055
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:05,275
your neighborhood because that does fall into District 6.

2056
02:24:05,275 --> 02:24:11,615
I think there's just more work that needs to be done here.

2057
02:24:11,615 --> 02:24:14,952
I'm looking forward to future discussions.

2058
02:24:14,952 --> 02:24:17,554
I'll leave it at that. >> Thank you.

2059
02:24:17,554 --> 02:24:21,754
Council member Brooks? Brooks and then Cavey.

2060
02:24:21,892 --> 02:24:27,365
>> Thank you, Mr. mayor. I echo the comments you had made

2061
02:24:27,365 --> 02:24:29,900
as far as connections, limited connections.

2062
02:24:29,900 --> 02:24:31,702
That's fantastic as far as buffering and setbacks.

2063
02:24:31,702 --> 02:24:35,439
There's a lot still to look at. I think, you know, I'm in favor

2064
02:24:35,439 --> 02:24:39,420
of this motion in moving it to after January.

2065
02:24:39,420 --> 02:24:43,247
I wanted to speak to kind of how that plays into the motion that

2066
02:24:43,247 --> 02:24:46,717
you had made or that you were thinking about making, Mayor Pro

2067
02:24:46,717 --> 02:24:49,720
Tem, that does give us a little bit of time also there to see

2068
02:24:49,720 --> 02:24:53,124
what could be done before potentially bringing your motion

2069
02:24:53,124 --> 02:24:56,994
back as well but I don't think it necessarily takes that off

2070
02:24:56,994 --> 02:24:58,796
the table. I think it does give staff a

2071
02:24:58,796 --> 02:25:01,733
little bit of time to be able to kind of work and get some

2072
02:25:01,733 --> 02:25:05,670
feedback as well. >> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey.

2073
02:25:05,670 --> 02:25:09,741
>> Um, I do agree with most of the comments up here.

2074
02:25:09,741 --> 02:25:15,741
I have lived here since 2007. I'm District 2 which is Terrain.

2075
02:25:17,881 --> 02:25:20,840
We've seen obviously a lot of growth there.

2076
02:25:20,840 --> 02:25:23,754
That's actually why I ran for council in 2020 is because I

2077
02:25:23,754 --> 02:25:26,490
care about my community and I care about what was going on in

2078
02:25:26,490 --> 02:25:30,361
the community. And I definitely believe in

2079
02:25:30,361 --> 02:25:32,497
responsible growth. I was out on this property at

2080
02:25:32,497 --> 02:25:40,297
least the edge of it, not on it this weekend but along the

2081
02:25:40,371 --> 02:25:43,373
Memmen Young part of it. It's an absolutely beautiful

2082
02:25:43,373 --> 02:25:46,977
piece of property. I would definitely, strongly ask

2083
02:25:46,977 --> 02:25:54,777
that town staff, Dave, Mike, that we look to see how much of

2084
02:25:54,852 --> 02:26:00,580
this property we can acquire, if not all of it.

2085
02:26:00,580 --> 02:26:02,460
in any means necessary in terms of coming up

2086
02:26:02,460 --> 02:26:06,531
with the funding to buy the property hole history.

2087
02:26:06,531 --> 02:26:09,133
I think there's so -- holistically.

2088
02:26:09,133 --> 02:26:11,202
There's so many challenges with where the property is, where it

2089
02:26:11,202 --> 02:26:14,738
sits, setbacks, the streets that come through, the traffic.

2090
02:26:14,738 --> 02:26:18,209
Not a lot of you are here all the time but I'm constantly

2091
02:26:18,209 --> 02:26:24,810
talking about what do we do about the traffic in town?

2092
02:26:24,810 --> 02:26:27,618
It's definitely something that's at the forefront of my mind all

2093
02:26:27,618 --> 02:26:31,422
the time. So I think that we need to do

2094
02:26:31,422 --> 02:26:34,759
whatever we can to preserve as much of this property as

2095
02:26:34,759 --> 02:26:37,428
possible. I think it preserves the

2096
02:26:37,428 --> 02:26:40,564
character of Castle Rock. I think this is why a lot of us

2097
02:26:40,564 --> 02:26:44,350
moved here is because we love these things about Castle Rock.

2098
02:26:44,350 --> 02:26:48,572
And I want to continue to see Castle Rock be Castle Rock.

2099
02:26:48,572 --> 02:26:50,374
Thank you. >> Thank you.

2100
02:26:50,374 --> 02:26:52,643
Council member Bracken? >> Thank you, mayor.

2101
02:26:52,643 --> 02:26:55,913
Um, yeah, I would just like to make a few comments about some

2102
02:26:55,913 --> 02:27:01,118
of the thing that I heard. The one with the really high

2103
02:27:01,118 --> 02:27:05,322
water bill, I know the water department is committed to

2104
02:27:05,322 --> 02:27:11,862
trying to investigate and make sure that they make you as best

2105
02:27:11,862 --> 02:27:13,730
as they can from your perspective.

2106
02:27:13,730 --> 02:27:17,668
We did get that commitment from the water department before this

2107
02:27:17,668 --> 02:27:19,336
meeting. And I would imagine that you

2108
02:27:19,336 --> 02:27:22,540
would be able to enlist your neighbor as well to find out

2109
02:27:22,540 --> 02:27:24,808
what is actually happening on the block there with the really

2110
02:27:24,808 --> 02:27:26,900
high bill. OK?

2111
02:27:26,900 --> 02:27:29,147
And just a point of clarification, I asked

2112
02:27:29,147 --> 02:27:33,751
Mr. Marlowe during the drought and the connection to that if we

2113
02:27:33,751 --> 02:27:38,220
have enough water for the town in the future developments.

2114
02:27:38,220 --> 02:27:41,358
So I didn't make that statement. Mr. Marlowe made the statement

2115
02:27:41,358 --> 02:27:43,694
that we have the water for the future projects.

2116
02:27:43,694 --> 02:27:49,167
Just to be clear, right? So, um, what I love about this

2117
02:27:49,167 --> 02:27:54,839
group that's in the room is the historical homes and the folks

2118
02:27:54,839 --> 02:27:59,639
that have l >> If you're going to leave,

2119
02:28:18,271 --> 02:28:23,671
please make your way out. Moving onto advertised public

2120
02:28:39,693 --> 02:28:41,961
hearing. Discussion of action items.

2121
02:28:41,961 --> 02:28:46,161
Public comments will be taken. 4 minutes maximum.

2122
02:28:51,905 --> 02:28:53,240
RESOLUTION NO. 2026-099 A RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN COUNCIL

2123
02:28:53,240 --> 02:28:54,574
OF THE TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, EXPRESSING ITS SUPPORT

2124
02:28:54,574 --> 02:28:56,420
FOR COLORADO INITIATIVE 109, “MALE AND FEMALE PARTICIPATION

2125
02:28:56,420 --> 02:28:57,511
IN SCHOOL AND COLLEGIATE SPORTS,” ALSO KNOWN AS THE

2126
02:28:57,511 --> 02:29:01,711
“PROTECT WOMEN AND GIRLS SPORTS ACT” (PROPOSITION 134)

2127
02:29:05,985 --> 02:29:08,985
>> David? >> Mayor and Council n

2128
02:29:09,589 --> 02:29:13,794
discussion with council members -- in discussion with council

2129
02:29:13,794 --> 02:29:15,395
members, you indicated you'd like to have a resolution of

2130
02:29:15,395 --> 02:29:19,599
support for this initiative. as it went through the

2131
02:29:19,599 --> 02:29:22,536
initiative process, it was labeled "colorado initiative

2132
02:29:22,536 --> 02:29:25,204
109." As it's going to appear on the

2133
02:29:25,204 --> 02:29:27,604
ballot, it'll be "proposition 134."

2134
02:29:28,141 --> 02:29:30,943
So there's a little bit of change in numbering.

2135
02:29:30,943 --> 02:29:36,343
There's no change in the initiative language you also

2136
02:29:37,350 --> 02:29:42,422
have in your packet materials. This is a resolution of support.

2137
02:29:42,422 --> 02:29:45,910
It goes into a number of different issues.

2138
02:29:45,910 --> 02:29:48,495
You can read that as you believe is appropriate.

2139
02:29:48,495 --> 02:29:51,765
I'm happy to respond to any questions.

2140
02:29:51,765 --> 02:29:56,236
Again, under Colorado law, citizens can initiate a state

2141
02:29:56,236 --> 02:30:02,836
law or even in some cases an amendment to the substitution.

2142
02:30:04,311 --> 02:30:05,450
-- constitution.

2143
02:30:05,450 --> 02:30:08,381
In this case, it's a state law as opposed to relying on the

2144
02:30:08,381 --> 02:30:12,719
general assembly to enact a law. In this case, this initiative

2145
02:30:12,719 --> 02:30:15,455
would speak toward the issue of male and female participation in

2146
02:30:15,455 --> 02:30:22,550
school and collegiate sports. If it is adopted by a majority

2147
02:30:22,395 --> 02:30:26,866
of citizens in November -- which is what the resolution

2148
02:30:26,866 --> 02:30:29,403
encourages support for -- it would then become the law of

2149
02:30:29,403 --> 02:30:32,500
Colorado. I'm happy to respond to any

2150
02:30:32,500 --> 02:30:35,500
questions. You've got the resolution.

2151
02:30:35,750 --> 02:30:38,110
You've got the initiative language in front of you as

2152
02:30:38,110 --> 02:30:41,110
well. >> Any questions for Dave?

2153
02:30:43,349 --> 02:30:47,549
We spoke a lot about this already.

2154
02:30:48,354 --> 02:30:54,354
I do appreciate council comments on this in a meeting.

2155
02:30:54,961 --> 02:30:56,763
I do have several people signed up to speak.

2156
02:30:56,763 --> 02:31:00,433
I have to apologize ahead of time because -- when I was

2157
02:31:00,433 --> 02:31:02,769
shuffling the paper, I'm not sure who signed up first and

2158
02:31:02,769 --> 02:31:05,171
last and all of that kind of stuff but I will get to

2159
02:31:05,171 --> 02:31:10,571
everybody who signed up. Um, first, I have Aniya.

2160
02:31:19,118 --> 02:31:22,118
>> Good evening, Mayor and Council.

2161
02:31:24,657 --> 02:31:25,725
I'm afresh flyer here at these meetings.

2162
02:31:25,725 --> 02:31:28,995
First of all, I notice this is not something you do very often,

2163
02:31:28,995 --> 02:31:33,195
number one. Number two, doesn't seem very

2164
02:31:35,535 --> 02:31:37,270
important to the residents of Castle Rock.

2165
02:31:37,270 --> 02:31:41,274
I saw the room empty out. Feels a little bit like support

2166
02:31:41,274 --> 02:31:44,678
for some of your friends' pet projects that affects 1% of the

2167
02:31:44,678 --> 02:31:48,748
population and not really in your purview.

2168
02:31:48,748 --> 02:31:53,820
So just calling that out for what it is.

2169
02:31:53,820 --> 02:31:56,622
I know how you'll vote. I know where this will go.

2170
02:31:56,622 --> 02:31:58,758
I'm just going to say it out loud.

2171
02:31:58,758 --> 02:32:01,158
Thanks. >> Thank you, Aniya.

2172
02:32:02,228 --> 02:32:07,628
Next I have Amy. >> Hi, good evening, Council and

2173
02:32:19,450 --> 02:32:20,313
Mayor Gray. I'm sorry to hear of your

2174
02:32:20,313 --> 02:32:22,581
passing of your friend from breast cancer.

2175
02:32:22,581 --> 02:32:23,716
>> Thank you. >> That's something I could

2176
02:32:23,716 --> 02:32:26,586
relate to. My mother and sister passed away

2177
02:32:26,586 --> 02:32:28,455
from that. I'm also a breast cancer

2178
02:32:28,455 --> 02:32:30,857
survivor. So thank you for that.

2179
02:32:30,857 --> 02:32:35,795
>> Thank you very much. >> I appreciate the Town Council

2180
02:32:35,795 --> 02:32:39,199
presenting this this evening. I think most of us in this room

2181
02:32:39,199 --> 02:32:42,736
up here are old enough to where we can appreciate what it took

2182
02:32:42,736 --> 02:32:44,604
for women and girls to play sports.

2183
02:32:44,604 --> 02:32:51,211
I think it was not until about 1972 that women had the right to

2184
02:32:51,211 --> 02:32:54,814
play in sports. And it took a couple decades

2185
02:32:54,814 --> 02:33:00,487
until late 80's, 90's to where sports became a thing.

2186
02:33:00,487 --> 02:33:07,930
So I do want to say that I sincerely appreciate this as a

2187
02:33:07,930 --> 02:33:11,970
woman and I just want to say thank you.

2188
02:33:11,970 --> 02:33:13,432
So thank you, all. I hope every single one of you

2189
02:33:13,432 --> 02:33:16,368
vote for this. >> Thank you.

2190
02:33:16,368 --> 02:33:20,568
>> Thank you. >> Next, I have Matt Smith.

2191
02:33:29,782 --> 02:33:33,920
>> Good evening, everyone. Really happy to see this here.

2192
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:36,388
I think it's very important as a community that we take a stand

2193
02:33:36,388 --> 02:33:40,260
on things like this and we show the community where we stand and

2194
02:33:40,260 --> 02:33:44,798
the values that we present here. This is something that actually

2195
02:33:44,798 --> 02:33:50,336
affects all women and all girls especially in a school setting.

2196
02:33:50,336 --> 02:33:53,139
Whenever biological males are allowed to join their sports

2197
02:33:53,139 --> 02:33:56,676
teams, take their opportunities, enter their private spaces like

2198
02:33:56,676 --> 02:33:58,944
bathrooms and locker rooms, there's probably no one in this

2199
02:33:58,944 --> 02:34:02,348
room that's had more direct conversations with voters in

2200
02:34:02,348 --> 02:34:06,103
Douglas county about this exact issue than me.

2201
02:34:06,103 --> 02:34:10,507
I spent several months last year literally knocking on doors and

2202
02:34:10,507 --> 02:34:15,246
talking about this very issue. So this is something that is --

2203
02:34:15,246 --> 02:34:18,849
a lot of people in Douglas county, a lot of folks in Castle

2204
02:34:18,849 --> 02:34:21,251
Rock are concerned about this. It is something we should take a

2205
02:34:21,251 --> 02:34:24,321
stand on and we should vote yes for.

2206
02:34:24,321 --> 02:34:26,523
This is not something where we need a lot of studies.

2207
02:34:26,523 --> 02:34:29,590
This is just common sense. This is not about putting anyone

2208
02:34:29,590 --> 02:34:33,630
down or how they choose to live their life.

2209
02:34:33,630 --> 02:34:35,733
It's just we cannot expect society to roll out the red

2210
02:34:35,733 --> 02:34:40,533
carpet and allow people to invade private spaces,

2211
02:34:41,472 --> 02:34:44,342
bathrooms, restrooms, sports, take away opportunities from

2212
02:34:44,342 --> 02:34:47,945
women, from girls. This is dangerous and we need to

2213
02:34:47,945 --> 02:34:53,945
make sure that we're protecting girls and making sure that

2214
02:34:54,218 --> 02:34:56,870
biological males are not entering their spaces.

2215
02:34:56,870 --> 02:35:01,425
So I really am happy to see this here tonight and I really hope

2216
02:35:01,425 --> 02:35:05,696
this is a commonsense yes vote from everybody up here.

2217
02:35:05,696 --> 02:35:11,960
I've personally signed all three petitions and have personally

2218
02:35:13,360 --> 02:35:15,239
committed to all of these. Again, this is a no-brainer for

2219
02:35:15,239 --> 02:35:17,441
me. Just common sense.

2220
02:35:17,441 --> 02:35:19,443
I won't take up a lot of your time.

2221
02:35:19,443 --> 02:35:22,512
It's pretty late and I'm kind of hungry so, yeah.

2222
02:35:22,512 --> 02:35:23,914
Thanks, everyone. I really appreciate the time.

2223
02:35:23,914 --> 02:35:28,714
>> Thank you, Matt. Next, I have Jimmy Graham.

2224
02:35:34,791 --> 02:35:37,727
>> Good evening. My name is Jimmy Graham.

2225
02:35:37,727 --> 02:35:44,668
I'm a veteran U.S. navy seal, a protective officer, a protective

2226
02:35:44,668 --> 02:35:48,268
professional for the CIA's overseas protectors.

2227
02:35:48,673 --> 02:35:54,100
I'm a father of four. A wear the proud title of girl

2228
02:35:54,100 --> 02:35:57,614
badge. The people of Castle Rock care

2229
02:35:57,614 --> 02:35:59,817
about their daughters, meaning our future, meaning our

2230
02:35:59,817 --> 02:36:01,418
children. Welcome to September, by the

2231
02:36:01,418 --> 02:36:02,753
way. September 1st.

2232
02:36:02,753 --> 02:36:05,220
September to me means Charley Kirk.

2233
02:36:05,220 --> 02:36:08,291
It means New York city. It means Benghazi Libya, my team

2234
02:36:08,291 --> 02:36:12,960
that was killed in Benghazi. It also means natural

2235
02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:13,364
preparedness month. We have to be prepared for what

2236
02:36:13,364 --> 02:36:15,165
is coming. This isn't like this flash in

2237
02:36:15,165 --> 02:36:16,967
the pan. People can be as crazy as they

2238
02:36:16,967 --> 02:36:20,237
want to be. We can't go with them.

2239
02:36:20,237 --> 02:36:27,440
If people want to be foolish and make up -- if you want to try to

2240
02:36:27,440 --> 02:36:30,113
create a warrior against safe people so you can call yourself

2241
02:36:30,113 --> 02:36:31,781
a warrior, it doesn't fly with me.

2242
02:36:31,781 --> 02:36:35,118
That word means something to me to do something honorable, to

2243
02:36:35,118 --> 02:36:37,788
have -- you can't control the nation here, but you do have

2244
02:36:37,788 --> 02:36:39,522
authority over what happens in this town.

2245
02:36:39,522 --> 02:36:42,659
This nation is kind of losing its mind but we can show them

2246
02:36:42,659 --> 02:36:45,328
how to do better. I truly believe that right now

2247
02:36:45,328 --> 02:36:49,933
by the decisions that we make in this town, the silliness that

2248
02:36:49,933 --> 02:36:53,200
happened when people are cutting off kids' genitalia is already

2249
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:56,140
coming back and saying this is absolutely catastrophic to our

2250
02:36:56,140 --> 02:36:58,275
future. It is absolutely shameful.

2251
02:36:58,275 --> 02:37:03,613
So you can make up silly words like same sex and marriage and

2252
02:37:03,613 --> 02:37:05,549
try to put them together. It doesn't make them true.

2253
02:37:05,549 --> 02:37:08,152
That's not what that means Biblically.

2254
02:37:08,152 --> 02:37:12,355
On a world where the WNBA could put up welcome trans signs on

2255
02:37:12,355 --> 02:37:19,555
the big screen and then censure people for wearing an xx/xy

2256
02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:23,433
T-shirt, it's shameful. We saw it our kids saw it.

2257
02:37:23,433 --> 02:37:26,103
It is time we stop fighting just for freedom.

2258
02:37:26,103 --> 02:37:29,373
I want to be free to have sex with whoever I want.

2259
02:37:29,373 --> 02:37:32,176
I want to be free to groom children so I could have sex

2260
02:37:32,176 --> 02:37:34,578
with them. If it's not freedom, fight for

2261
02:37:34,578 --> 02:37:35,779
the truth. If you're going to fight for

2262
02:37:35,779 --> 02:37:38,982
something, fight for the truth because the truth will set and

2263
02:37:38,982 --> 02:37:41,851
keep Douglas county and Castle Rock free.

2264
02:37:41,851 --> 02:37:45,389
Not some freedom you made up. That's just the truth -- it's

2265
02:37:45,389 --> 02:37:48,859
time to look at it not Jimmy's truth.

2266
02:37:48,859 --> 02:37:50,994
Not your truth. The truth under god.

2267
02:37:50,994 --> 02:37:54,464
We can't get religious. Well it is religious.

2268
02:37:54,464 --> 02:37:58,664
It is religious. Let's not get political.

2269
02:37:59,269 --> 02:38:01,738
Political is the policy that governs our lives.

2270
02:38:01,738 --> 02:38:03,140
It's the policy that made the nation I love.

2271
02:38:03,140 --> 02:38:04,741
If you don't like that, that's OK.

2272
02:38:04,741 --> 02:38:06,142
There's plenty of countries to live in.

2273
02:38:06,142 --> 02:38:09,120
It's just the truth. It's time to grow a pair and

2274
02:38:09,120 --> 02:38:11,614
stand for what is true. We must do that.

2275
02:38:11,614 --> 02:38:16,220
Again, we -- I stood -- people don't care about this really

2276
02:38:16,220 --> 02:38:17,421
because I stood in three years ago.

2277
02:38:17,421 --> 02:38:22,759
I went to dug county -- Douglas county fairgrounds and 70 men

2278
02:38:22,759 --> 02:38:24,694
joined me and said not here. Not here.

2279
02:38:24,694 --> 02:38:26,296
All right? Thank you if you stood there.

2280
02:38:26,296 --> 02:38:28,498
Thank you if you did something honorable.

2281
02:38:28,498 --> 02:38:33,298
You can't do something dishonorable and call it

2282
02:38:33,570 --> 02:38:34,571
honorable. People are shaking their

2283
02:38:34,571 --> 02:38:37,641
children and saying aren't you scared?

2284
02:38:37,641 --> 02:38:39,776
Aren't you scared? My mom was shaking me.

2285
02:38:39,776 --> 02:38:42,713
I thought she was crazy. There needs to be a sustainable

2286
02:38:42,713 --> 02:38:44,247
future. Adults need to come into the

2287
02:38:44,247 --> 02:38:46,717
room and say we're not playing. You know this.

2288
02:38:46,717 --> 02:38:50,787
It's not like I'm educating you on what a man and a woman is.

2289
02:38:50,787 --> 02:38:52,589
You can check yourself. I'll give you a second.

2290
02:38:52,589 --> 02:38:56,794
This is an easy definition. You can look at that and make up

2291
02:38:56,794 --> 02:38:59,930
your own titles if you wish. It's harmful to communities.

2292
02:38:59,930 --> 02:39:04,100
I would recommend that we search into what is good and right.

2293
02:39:04,100 --> 02:39:06,202
Somebody told me that that's bad drag.

2294
02:39:06,202 --> 02:39:11,809
That was an example of bad drag. What is good?

2295
02:39:11,809 --> 02:39:17,209
Good equals godly. What's -- we should get healthy

2296
02:39:17,614 --> 02:39:21,685
people and elect people that can represent healthy people, maybe

2297
02:39:21,685 --> 02:39:24,154
even call them representatives. Then maybe give them the

2298
02:39:24,154 --> 02:39:26,757
responsibility to make decisions for a community.

2299
02:39:26,757 --> 02:39:29,426
That'd be a great idea. And maybe if they could hold

2300
02:39:29,426 --> 02:39:37,226
fast to have kind of -- that kind of kind of integrity as

2301
02:39:40,437 --> 02:39:43,973
they go to D.C. -- we have to make good decisions on behalf of

2302
02:39:43,973 --> 02:39:46,373
our kids. >> Thank you.

2303
02:39:46,377 --> 02:39:48,377
Clifford? >> Thank you.

2304
02:39:54,451 --> 02:39:57,254
Thank you for having this meeting.

2305
02:39:57,254 --> 02:40:00,256
I'm a proud father of three children.

2306
02:40:00,256 --> 02:40:02,793
Two of my children are young ladies.

2307
02:40:02,793 --> 02:40:09,533
I ask myself -- and you should ask yourself as well -- why are

2308
02:40:09,533 --> 02:40:13,737
these girls under attack? It's time to protect girls

2309
02:40:13,737 --> 02:40:19,137
sports. May I ask you -- and you should

2310
02:40:20,894 --> 02:40:25,365
ask yourself as well -- what has happened to children's safety

2311
02:40:25,365 --> 02:40:27,701
physically and mentally? This is about taking dreams away

2312
02:40:27,701 --> 02:40:32,439
from young ladies that trained very hard and put their heart

2313
02:40:32,439 --> 02:40:39,639
and soul into their sport to either lose to a biological boy

2314
02:40:40,313 --> 02:40:46,320
or possibly get hurt as we've seen many times in the past.

2315
02:40:46,320 --> 02:40:52,859
Or is it to lose the trophy after practicing so hard for a

2316
02:40:52,859 --> 02:40:54,595
competitor that shouldn't be in the same league.

2317
02:40:54,595 --> 02:40:59,395
I ask you what happened to women's rights?

2318
02:41:00,670 --> 02:41:02,335
I believe the right decision will be made.

2319
02:41:02,335 --> 02:41:06,807
We need to be steadfast and protect the children and this

2320
02:41:06,807 --> 02:41:09,143
should be a nonissue. Thank you for your time.

2321
02:41:09,143 --> 02:41:11,543
>> Thank you, Clifford. Dana.

2322
02:41:23,157 --> 02:41:26,757
>> Good evening, mayor Gray,town Council.

2323
02:41:27,360 --> 02:41:29,896
Can I just say first of all what a pleasure it was listening to

2324
02:41:29,896 --> 02:41:34,167
all of those long-term residents of Castle Rock and how much they

2325
02:41:34,167 --> 02:41:36,236
love living here? I just enjoyed that.

2326
02:41:36,236 --> 02:41:40,441
But I'm here tonight as a Castle Rock resident to speak in favor

2327
02:41:40,441 --> 02:41:44,578
of this resolution. I support initiative 109, prop

2328
02:41:44,578 --> 02:41:48,480
134, the protect girls sports act, because I believe girls in

2329
02:41:48,480 --> 02:41:52,652
our community deserve a fair and safe playing field in school and

2330
02:41:52,652 --> 02:41:56,560
collegiate athletics. For me, this comes down to

2331
02:41:56,560 --> 02:42:02,560
fairness and common sense. When teams are divided by male

2332
02:42:02,128 --> 02:42:04,197
and female categories, those categories should mean

2333
02:42:04,197 --> 02:42:06,266
something. Our daughters, granddaughter,

2334
02:42:06,266 --> 02:42:09,336
neighbors and classmates should not lose opportunities, roster

2335
02:42:09,336 --> 02:42:13,536
spots, championships or scholarships because the rules

2336
02:42:15,800 --> 02:42:18,211
ignore biological differences. I also see this resolution as

2337
02:42:18,211 --> 02:42:24,211
part of a broader effort by the protective Colorado teams.

2338
02:42:24,951 --> 02:42:28,154
The other ballot measures include the children are not for

2339
02:42:28,154 --> 02:42:32,225
sale act which addresses child exploitation and strengthens

2340
02:42:32,225 --> 02:42:35,361
penalties for sex trafficking and the protect kids from

2341
02:42:35,361 --> 02:42:40,233
irreversible sex change surgery act which seeks to protect

2342
02:42:40,233 --> 02:42:43,833
minors from irreversible decisions before adulthood.

2343
02:42:44,638 --> 02:42:47,974
As someone who cares deeply about the future of our children

2344
02:42:47,974 --> 02:42:53,460
and families, I believe these measures puts kids first,

2345
02:42:53,460 --> 02:42:55,449
respects parents and gives Colorado voters a clear voice on

2346
02:42:55,449 --> 02:42:58,918
issues that matter. I urge this council not only to

2347
02:42:58,918 --> 02:43:03,189
support this resolution but also to consider expressing support

2348
02:43:03,189 --> 02:43:06,326
for the other initiatives. I've mentioned and stand with

2349
02:43:06,326 --> 02:43:08,662
families seeking commonsense protection for kids.

2350
02:43:08,662 --> 02:43:11,662
Thank you. >> Thank you, Dana.

2351
02:43:12,598 --> 02:43:16,198
Next I have Patty. >> Good evening.

2352
02:43:30,160 --> 02:43:33,753
I'm not a Castle Rock resident but I'm on the board of protect

2353
02:43:33,753 --> 02:43:36,889
kids Colorado and I just wanted to thank you for the opportunity

2354
02:43:36,889 --> 02:43:41,694
to look at this resolution and pass this resolution tonight.

2355
02:43:41,694 --> 02:43:47,500
I know that when I grew up in lakewood, I had an intermural

2356
02:43:47,500 --> 02:43:50,636
sports experience where the gym teacher let the boys take over

2357
02:43:50,636 --> 02:43:56,109
the basketball game and that was the way it was in the 70's and

2358
02:43:56,109 --> 02:43:58,912
the late 60's. We had to fight our way to be

2359
02:43:58,912 --> 02:44:02,516
able to have sports. And so we have a situation today

2360
02:44:02,516 --> 02:44:06,520
where people think well why do we even have to do this?

2361
02:44:06,520 --> 02:44:09,389
I've traveled the entire state helping and getting the

2362
02:44:09,389 --> 02:44:13,927
signatures that we had to get on the ballot or on the petitions

2363
02:44:13,927 --> 02:44:18,265
to get on the ballot and I had one young girl in Pueblo who

2364
02:44:18,265 --> 02:44:22,668
told me that she went to a volleyball tournament and, no,

2365
02:44:22,668 --> 02:44:24,670
I'm sorry. She went to a wrestling

2366
02:44:24,670 --> 02:44:28,270
tournament. And she had to wrestle

2367
02:44:30,343 --> 02:44:31,545
14-year-old boy who says he was a girl.

2368
02:44:31,545 --> 02:44:34,947
So we are having these things happen.

2369
02:44:34,947 --> 02:44:37,951
They don't necessarily happen in Douglas county, but if they're

2370
02:44:37,951 --> 02:44:40,860
happening in other parts of the state, they're going to come

2371
02:44:40,860 --> 02:44:41,621
here, too. That's the whole reason why we

2372
02:44:41,621 --> 02:44:44,424
have to do this. Every person I speak to says why

2373
02:44:44,424 --> 02:44:48,628
do we even have to do this? It's an 80% or 90% favorable

2374
02:44:48,628 --> 02:44:51,898
issue and I really appreciate you would consider doing it

2375
02:44:51,898 --> 02:44:53,433
tonight. And thank you very much.

2376
02:44:53,433 --> 02:44:55,833
>> Thank you, Patty. Keith.

2377
02:45:06,379 --> 02:45:07,914
>> Good evening. Hello, again.

2378
02:45:07,914 --> 02:45:12,452
It's been a couple years. I'll try to keep the decorum.

2379
02:45:12,452 --> 02:45:15,788
Mayor Gray and I exchanged some e-mailed afterwards and I

2380
02:45:15,788 --> 02:45:19,388
learned my lesson. I'll behave tonight.

2381
02:45:19,592 --> 02:45:23,596
Regardless of the merits of the ballot initiative itself and the

2382
02:45:23,596 --> 02:45:26,733
content of that initiative, I don't believe the town should

2383
02:45:26,733 --> 02:45:28,869
make comment on it. I think the voters in November

2384
02:45:28,869 --> 02:45:31,300
should make the choice. Everyone in Colorado will have a

2385
02:45:31,300 --> 02:45:33,607
say. Castle Rock does not need to get

2386
02:45:33,607 --> 02:45:39,545
into culture war topics that will already be on the ballot.

2387
02:45:39,545 --> 02:45:44,417
Given all the recent council drama around Mr. Davis and quid

2388
02:45:44,417 --> 02:45:49,555
pro quo diminishing the quality of character of this town's

2389
02:45:49,555 --> 02:45:52,225
government, wouldn't the town want to avoid more drama instead

2390
02:45:52,225 --> 02:45:55,228
of wading into it? We should strive for a town

2391
02:45:55,228 --> 02:45:57,964
government that works for and protects all of its citizens.

2392
02:45:57,964 --> 02:46:00,633
For the council members who are using this to get media

2393
02:46:00,633 --> 02:46:05,433
attention of their November elections, don't you have

2394
02:46:06,106 --> 02:46:09,109
anything better to do than bully kids?

2395
02:46:09,109 --> 02:46:12,111
Mayor Gray s this what you want your legacy to be?

2396
02:46:12,111 --> 02:46:15,649
Mayor Pro Tem Cavey, you're running for mayor, is this what

2397
02:46:15,649 --> 02:46:19,319
the community expects from you over the next four years?

2398
02:46:19,319 --> 02:46:20,987
We should strive for a better form of government here.

2399
02:46:20,987 --> 02:46:25,203
I want to add unscheduled, unsolicited comment here.

2400
02:46:25,203 --> 02:46:30,408
I don't appreciate out-of-town actors and agents coming in to

2401
02:46:30,408 --> 02:46:33,412
influence our town politics. Thank you for your time.

2402
02:46:33,412 --> 02:46:36,412
>> Thank you, Keith. Angela Thomas.

2403
02:46:46,225 --> 02:46:48,960
>> Mayor and members of council. I didn't come here to speak on

2404
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:51,563
this topic but after listening to some of the comments, I felt

2405
02:46:51,563 --> 02:46:57,769
it important that I speak. I'm asking you not to endorse

2406
02:46:57,769 --> 02:47:00,372
proposition 134. Regardless of how any one of us

2407
02:47:00,372 --> 02:47:03,776
intends to vote on this measure, I question why the Town of

2408
02:47:03,776 --> 02:47:09,176
Castle Rock should take an official position at all.

2409
02:47:10,490 --> 02:47:11,649
Proposition 134 concerns participation in school and

2410
02:47:11,649 --> 02:47:14,520
collegiate athletics. It is a statewide policy

2411
02:47:14,520 --> 02:47:16,321
question being placed before Colorado voters.

2412
02:47:16,321 --> 02:47:20,325
It is not about Castle Rock roads, water, public safety,

2413
02:47:20,325 --> 02:47:25,463
development, parks, taxes or any of the other responsibilities

2414
02:47:25,463 --> 02:47:28,533
entrusted to this town council. The people sitting before you

2415
02:47:28,533 --> 02:47:31,669
tonight undoubtedly have different opinions about this

2416
02:47:31,669 --> 02:47:33,405
issue. So do the residents you

2417
02:47:33,405 --> 02:47:36,405
represent. An official town endorsement

2418
02:47:36,674 --> 02:47:40,211
would take the collective voice of Castle Rock and use it to

2419
02:47:40,211 --> 02:47:45,684
advocate one side of a deeply divisive statewide political and

2420
02:47:45,684 --> 02:47:48,420
social issue. This is unnecessary and I

2421
02:47:48,420 --> 02:47:52,891
believe it's inappropriate. There's a larger principle at

2422
02:47:52,891 --> 02:47:55,560
stake. Local government works best when

2423
02:47:55,560 --> 02:47:58,290
residents believe their town government belongs to all of

2424
02:47:58,290 --> 02:48:01,290
them, republicans, democrats, unaffiliated voters,

2425
02:48:02,967 --> 02:48:05,637
conservatives, liberals and everyone in between.

2426
02:48:05,637 --> 02:48:11,243
You don't preserve that trust by inserting the town into every

2427
02:48:11,243 --> 02:48:13,778
controversial issue that appears on a statewide ballot.

2428
02:48:13,778 --> 02:48:15,780
Individual council members are citizens and voters.

2429
02:48:15,780 --> 02:48:21,180
You have every right to support props 134, oppose it.

2430
02:48:21,987 --> 02:48:24,655
Contribute to a campaign or speak publicly about your

2431
02:48:24,655 --> 02:48:27,592
personal views, but the Town of Castle Rock is something

2432
02:48:27,592 --> 02:48:31,192
different. The town shouldn't become a

2433
02:48:31,463 --> 02:48:35,670
vehicle for advancing political positions on matters outside its

2434
02:48:35,670 --> 02:48:38,667
municipal responsibilities. Once council establishes that

2435
02:48:40,672 --> 02:48:44,276
precedent, it becomes difficult to explain why future councils

2436
02:48:44,276 --> 02:48:46,878
shouldn't endorse statewide measures on abortion, guns,

2437
02:48:46,878 --> 02:48:50,810
immigration, education, taxation or any other number of

2438
02:48:50,810 --> 02:48:54,552
controversial subjects. You don't have to decide tonight

2439
02:48:54,552 --> 02:48:57,356
whether prop 134 is good policy. Colorado voters will make that

2440
02:48:57,356 --> 02:49:00,910
decision. You only have to decide whether

2441
02:49:00,910 --> 02:49:05,364
taking an official position on it is proper business for the

2442
02:49:05,364 --> 02:49:09,434
Castle Rock Town council. Ifully submit it is not -- I

2443
02:49:09,434 --> 02:49:11,769
respectfully submit it is not. Please leave this decision where

2444
02:49:11,769 --> 02:49:15,173
it belongs, with the voters of Colorado and do not endorse

2445
02:49:15,173 --> 02:49:17,108
proposition 134. Thank you.

2446
02:49:17,108 --> 02:49:19,508
>> Thank you, Angela. Christopher.

2447
02:49:31,589 --> 02:49:33,125
>> My name is Christopher waterman.

2448
02:49:33,125 --> 02:49:36,928
I live in Castle Rock. I moved here originally in 1994.

2449
02:49:36,928 --> 02:49:40,131
I lived in Douglas county for 32 years.

2450
02:49:40,131 --> 02:49:45,270
I came here to support a friend. My friend Jimmy Graham and other

2451
02:49:45,270 --> 02:49:47,538
guys here. I didn't intend to speak.

2452
02:49:47,538 --> 02:49:50,475
However, this is a subject that's really dear to my heart,

2453
02:49:50,475 --> 02:49:52,611
because I had a daughter -- I actually have three

2454
02:49:52,611 --> 02:49:57,482
stepdaughters -- step-daughters and my daughter -- they're all

2455
02:49:57,482 --> 02:49:58,616
grown now -- they all played volleyball.

2456
02:49:58,616 --> 02:50:02,487
My daughter was -- she went to mountain Vista high school.

2457
02:50:02,487 --> 02:50:04,756
She was ranked in the top 18 in the state.

2458
02:50:04,756 --> 02:50:08,293
She wanted to get a college scholarship.

2459
02:50:08,293 --> 02:50:13,364
This is upsetting to me, because she actually left this state to

2460
02:50:13,364 --> 02:50:15,299
raise her kids in another state because of what is going on in

2461
02:50:15,299 --> 02:50:18,570
the state of Colorado. I couldn't get her to stay in

2462
02:50:18,570 --> 02:50:21,172
Castle Rock. I wish she would have.

2463
02:50:21,172 --> 02:50:24,109
You guys are trying to protect women and women sports.

2464
02:50:24,109 --> 02:50:29,781
I saw her scrimmage when she played high school volleyball at

2465
02:50:29,781 --> 02:50:31,916
mountain Vista. She was fantastic.

2466
02:50:31,916 --> 02:50:36,540
The scrimmage with the boys, the best girls could not keep up

2467
02:50:36,540 --> 02:50:40,854
with the boys on the B team. Right?

2468
02:50:42,394 --> 02:50:48,600
You start bringing in biological boys or men into women's sports,

2469
02:50:48,600 --> 02:50:49,667
these girls aren't going to play.

2470
02:50:49,667 --> 02:50:51,670
It's not going to be fair to them.

2471
02:50:51,670 --> 02:50:53,472
I'm glad you guys are doing this.

2472
02:50:53,472 --> 02:50:54,873
I really am, because protect Castle Rock.

2473
02:50:54,873 --> 02:50:59,344
A lot of us moved here because we want this type of lifestyle.

2474
02:50:59,344 --> 02:51:03,810
I don't want whatever else Colorado is doing.

2475
02:51:03,810 --> 02:51:05,830
The stuff they're doing up there, I don't like it.

2476
02:51:05,830 --> 02:51:08,860
That's why I live down here. That's 80 lived here for 32

2477
02:51:08,860 --> 02:51:10,220
years. I can -- that's why I lived here

2478
02:51:10,220 --> 02:51:12,423
for 32 years. I could leave the state but I

2479
02:51:12,423 --> 02:51:14,826
like Castle Rock. I like the government in Castle

2480
02:51:14,826 --> 02:51:16,294
Rock. I like what you guys are doing.

2481
02:51:16,294 --> 02:51:17,895
Thanks. >> Thank you, Christopher.

2482
02:51:17,895 --> 02:51:21,700
I think I've gone through the list.

2483
02:51:21,700 --> 02:51:23,501
Please let me know if I missed you.

2484
02:51:23,501 --> 02:51:26,104
If I missed you, please walk to the front and speak.

2485
02:51:26,104 --> 02:51:28,400
All right. OK, thank you very much.

2486
02:51:28,400 --> 02:51:32,240
Um. >> Hi, Meagan, I'm a Castle Rock

2487
02:51:34,579 --> 02:51:38,779
resident. I just want to echo some

2488
02:51:38,917 --> 02:51:41,720
previous sentiments. Regardless of my personal

2489
02:51:41,720 --> 02:51:46,324
opinions on this proposition, school and collegiate sports are

2490
02:51:46,324 --> 02:51:49,194
not under the purview of town council.

2491
02:51:49,194 --> 02:51:54,399
You're not in control of school and collegiate sports.

2492
02:51:54,399 --> 02:52:01,139
I do not feel it is appropriate to put out an opinion on

2493
02:52:01,139 --> 02:52:04,543
something that does not affect you as a council.

2494
02:52:04,543 --> 02:52:07,879
Use your personal lives to do that if you have strong feelings

2495
02:52:07,879 --> 02:52:09,347
one way or the other. Thank you.

2496
02:52:09,347 --> 02:52:14,747
>> Thank you, Megan. We'll now bring it back totown

2497
02:52:16,154 --> 02:52:22,754
council for a -- to Town Council for a possible discussion.

2498
02:52:24,963 --> 02:52:27,363
>> Move to approve. >> Second.

2499
02:52:28,166 --> 02:52:30,702
>> First from Max, second from council member Dietz.

2500
02:52:30,702 --> 02:52:35,384
Anyone like to speak upon this? Go ahead.

2501
02:52:35,384 --> 02:52:37,587
Sorry. Council member Bracken.

2502
02:52:37,587 --> 02:52:44,187
>> Yeah, thank you, mayor. So, um, so this is a resolution

2503
02:52:44,660 --> 02:52:50,466
and so it's showing our support. Me personally, I'm probably the

2504
02:52:50,466 --> 02:52:55,538
one that was affected the most by Title IX.

2505
02:52:55,538 --> 02:52:59,274
They eliminated my wrestling program my senior year in

2506
02:52:59,274 --> 02:53:06,474
college and it was a legislative decision that was put into place

2507
02:53:06,615 --> 02:53:10,215
in 1971. The athletic directors had not

2508
02:53:13,622 --> 02:53:19,622
moved towards equality for the gender sports and long story

2509
02:53:20,562 --> 02:53:24,500
short on it, they mucked it up really bad.

2510
02:53:24,500 --> 02:53:28,370
They started eliminating men's programs over women's programs.

2511
02:53:28,370 --> 02:53:32,837
That was protecting women back in the day.

2512
02:53:33,442 --> 02:53:39,181
And I think it was the right thing to do.

2513
02:53:39,181 --> 02:53:42,651
Pat Summit was the all-time great women's basketball coach.

2514
02:53:42,651 --> 02:53:45,855
I sat with lunch with her because I literally went on tour

2515
02:53:45,855 --> 02:53:49,125
to three different states to talk on behalf of changing and

2516
02:53:49,125 --> 02:53:56,325
amending the Title IX ruling and sat with Pat Summitt and she

2517
02:53:56,398 --> 02:54:02,998
said we literally were sitting in the basketball court and they

2518
02:54:03,720 --> 02:54:07,276
came by and pulled the plug and turned the lights off on us.

2519
02:54:07,276 --> 02:54:11,800
I said, pat, you're turning the lights off on us.

2520
02:54:11,800 --> 02:54:14,160
And they eliminated our wrestling program and they

2521
02:54:14,160 --> 02:54:16,685
decimated several colleges throughout the country.

2522
02:54:16,685 --> 02:54:21,423
So I'm giving you this long story to say that if it's

2523
02:54:21,423 --> 02:54:27,429
protecting girls and women in the same spirit of what the law

2524
02:54:27,429 --> 02:54:32,901
was in 1971, whether it was implemented right, good or bad,

2525
02:54:32,901 --> 02:54:36,972
I'm in support of it. It's almost the same type of

2526
02:54:36,972 --> 02:54:43,512
thing that happened in 1971 with Title IX and I'm very passionate

2527
02:54:43,512 --> 02:54:48,584
about it. If I have an upon to offer from

2528
02:54:48,584 --> 02:54:54,584
my seat, I just did, and I will. Thank you.

2529
02:54:55,323 --> 02:54:57,325
>> Further discussion? Council member Brooks?

2530
02:54:57,325 --> 02:55:03,925
>> Mr. mayor, thank you. I want to address a couple of

2531
02:55:05,201 --> 02:55:08,337
things. It's absolutely routine for this

2532
02:55:08,337 --> 02:55:09,871
body to weigh in on legislative items.

2533
02:55:09,871 --> 02:55:14,409
We do it all the time. We will take positions on items

2534
02:55:14,409 --> 02:55:20,282
of state legislation we want to say, hey, we support or, hey, we

2535
02:55:20,282 --> 02:55:22,418
do not support it. That is quite routine.

2536
02:55:22,418 --> 02:55:28,418
That is quite normal. And I would like to remind

2537
02:55:29,240 --> 02:55:32,228
everybody that this ended and began as a state legislative

2538
02:55:32,228 --> 02:55:35,228
item. This was HB26-1083.

2539
02:55:42,638 --> 02:55:47,420
It was assigned to the state civic military veterans affairs

2540
02:55:47,420 --> 02:55:51,460
committee where it died on party line vote.

2541
02:55:51,460 --> 02:55:55,846
That's important to understand. There's a mathematical imbalance

2542
02:55:59,588 --> 02:56:04,988
in our state legislature. Typically -- doesn't matter if

2543
02:56:06,128 --> 02:56:11,534
it's red that has a bunch of people or if it's blue that has

2544
02:56:11,534 --> 02:56:13,802
a bunch of people, I will tell that you state government, any

2545
02:56:13,802 --> 02:56:17,473
government is going to work together when it is more even.

2546
02:56:17,473 --> 02:56:22,144
The legislators have to work together to find policy that

2547
02:56:22,144 --> 02:56:26,344
works for everybody. This is a representation

2548
02:56:27,816 --> 02:56:30,485
that that system is failing. This is a grassroots effort to

2549
02:56:30,485 --> 02:56:36,485
show that system is failing. 124,238 votes were needed to put

2550
02:56:38,961 --> 02:56:43,165
an item on the ballot. There was three state

2551
02:56:43,165 --> 02:56:46,165
legislative items that all failed.

2552
02:56:47,636 --> 02:56:49,905
Those were referenced a little bit earlier.

2553
02:56:49,905 --> 02:56:55,905
They're all back on the ballot as 134 -- I'm sorry, 133, 134

2554
02:56:56,379 --> 02:56:59,979
and 135. 124,000 needed to get on the

2555
02:57:01,983 --> 02:57:04,983
ballot. Each of these exceeded 170,000.

2556
02:57:08,323 --> 02:57:13,329
There's very little money really spent on this effort.

2557
02:57:13,329 --> 02:57:18,333
What does that tell ya? It tells me that there are a lot

2558
02:57:18,333 --> 02:57:20,736
of folks out there that are saying enough's enough!

2559
02:57:20,736 --> 02:57:25,808
There are a lot of folks out there that say let's put this on

2560
02:57:25,808 --> 02:57:26,942
the state ballot because you know what?

2561
02:57:26,942 --> 02:57:30,790
Folks up there at the state Capitol aren't necessarily

2562
02:57:30,790 --> 02:57:34,550
representing us the way that we feel we should be represented so

2563
02:57:34,550 --> 02:57:37,419
let's let the voters decide. This is grassroots.

2564
02:57:37,419 --> 02:57:41,230
This is democracy. This is fantastic in terms of

2565
02:57:41,230 --> 02:57:43,425
what we're supposed to be supporting here and we do it all

2566
02:57:43,425 --> 02:57:46,828
the time. I urge you that when the

2567
02:57:46,828 --> 02:57:51,628
legislative session begins January 11th, 2027, oh, give it

2568
02:57:52,567 --> 02:57:57,390
about a week or so and we'll have legislative updates that I

2569
02:57:57,390 --> 02:58:01,430
just know that staff is so looking forward to come up and

2570
02:58:01,430 --> 02:58:03,779
giving. They will ask you to take

2571
02:58:03,779 --> 02:58:07,716
positions yes or no. Pay attention to that.

2572
02:58:07,716 --> 02:58:13,456
This is very common. I will tell you that I do

2573
02:58:13,456 --> 02:58:17,560
believe it is absolutely the charge.

2574
02:58:18,994 --> 02:58:24,867
This body -- absolutely the charge of this body or

2575
02:58:24,867 --> 02:58:28,738
municipality to protect women, to protect children, absolutely.

2576
02:58:28,738 --> 02:58:34,943
So goes the state of Colorado as does Douglas county as does

2577
02:58:34,943 --> 02:58:37,545
Castle Rock. It is a Castle Rock issue.

2578
02:58:37,545 --> 02:58:39,147
Absolutely, I'll be voting yes. Thank you.

2579
02:58:39,147 --> 02:58:41,617
>> Thank you, council member Dietz?

2580
02:58:41,617 --> 02:58:43,896
>> We probably need to extend the meeting?

2581
02:58:43,896 --> 02:58:46,365
>> Is there a motion to extend the meeting?

2582
02:58:46,365 --> 02:58:48,167
>> Until the conclusion of the agenda.

2583
02:58:48,167 --> 02:58:51,904
>> First from council member Bracken and second from council

2584
02:58:51,904 --> 02:58:55,441
member Hollingshead. Roll call vote, misters.

2585
02:58:55,441 --> 02:58:57,109
>> Council member Hollingshead? >> Yes.

2586
02:58:57,109 --> 02:58:58,711
>> Council member Bracken? >> Yes.

2587
02:58:58,711 --> 02:59:02,311
>> Council member Davis? >> Yes counselmember Brooks?

2588
02:59:02,648 --> 02:59:05,648
>> Yes council member Dietz? >> Yes.

2589
02:59:07,253 --> 02:59:09,655
>> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey? >> Yes.

2590
02:59:09,655 --> 02:59:11,655
>> Mayor Gray? >> Yes.

2591
02:59:11,657 --> 02:59:14,993
>> Motion passes unanimously. >> Move onto council member

2592
02:59:14,993 --> 02:59:17,797
Dietz? >> I'm a citizen here.

2593
02:59:17,797 --> 02:59:24,403
I worked real hard to get elected for a lot of good

2594
02:59:24,403 --> 02:59:28,940
purposes in Castle Rock and this one is absolutely simple.

2595
02:59:28,940 --> 02:59:32,945
There's two sections. Play in your own sport.

2596
02:59:32,945 --> 02:59:34,280
That simple. Thank you.

2597
02:59:34,280 --> 02:59:37,883
>> Thank you. Council member -- Mayor Pro Tem

2598
02:59:37,883 --> 02:59:41,553
Cavey? >> You know, as the only woman

2599
02:59:41,553 --> 02:59:48,427
that is up here on Council, I could certainly talk to it in a

2600
02:59:48,427 --> 02:59:52,270
different perspective. I don't have daughters.

2601
02:59:53,765 --> 03:00:00,572
I have boys, but I have family members that have daughters and

2602
03:00:00,572 --> 03:00:04,910
as a woman who did play sports -- I did play volleyball way

2603
03:00:04,910 --> 03:00:09,982
back in the day when I was young, and, um, that wouldn't

2604
03:00:09,982 --> 03:00:12,651
have been fair. That wouldn't have been right.

2605
03:00:12,651 --> 03:00:18,457
I certainly don't want them, you know, males in locker rooms with

2606
03:00:18,457 --> 03:00:21,193
girls. They should have safe spaces for

2607
03:00:21,193 --> 03:00:24,530
themselves. And they should have places

2608
03:00:24,530 --> 03:00:29,802
where they belong and places where they can go play sports

2609
03:00:29,802 --> 03:00:35,608
and be successful on their own merit and so, you know, I know

2610
03:00:35,608 --> 03:00:40,746
what it would be like to be in that situation where I'm

2611
03:00:40,746 --> 03:00:47,346
competing against a biological male or I had a biological male

2612
03:00:47,886 --> 03:00:51,691
in my bathroom or in my space or in my locker room and that is

2613
03:00:51,691 --> 03:00:55,891
just completely unacceptable! I'll be voting yes.

2614
03:00:58,964 --> 03:01:03,764
>> Mayor Pro Tem, thank you. New further discussion?

2615
03:01:03,969 --> 03:01:06,772
Council member Davis? >> I just want to make it short

2616
03:01:06,772 --> 03:01:08,307
and sweet but we all know there's two sexes.

2617
03:01:08,307 --> 03:01:12,445
You can be a boy or a girl. There's boy sports.

2618
03:01:12,445 --> 03:01:14,845
Girl sports. Co-ed sports.

2619
03:01:18,918 --> 03:01:20,920
That's great. If it turns into a

2620
03:01:20,920 --> 03:01:24,924
trans community thing, start a trans league and run against

2621
03:01:24,924 --> 03:01:27,126
whoever you want. I'm a man of three daughters.

2622
03:01:27,126 --> 03:01:31,797
I'm going to protect my kids. As a council man, I'm going to

2623
03:01:31,797 --> 03:01:33,599
protect other people's kids. We all know this is a

2624
03:01:33,599 --> 03:01:38,137
commonsense, easy, easy yes. So I'm going to be voting yes as

2625
03:01:38,137 --> 03:01:40,537
well. >> Any further discussion?

2626
03:01:42,474 --> 03:01:46,278
Just real fast, I know this doesn't happen often.

2627
03:01:46,278 --> 03:01:51,150
It doesn't happen often. It's not wrong that 1% or less

2628
03:01:51,150 --> 03:01:58,950
-- but I do believe that boys in sports will beat girls in

2629
03:02:02,494 --> 03:02:07,294
sports. And it is -- it's something that

2630
03:02:09,568 --> 03:02:14,368
doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.

2631
03:02:15,174 --> 03:02:21,174
And I've mentioned this before, my wife ran three different

2632
03:02:22,981 --> 03:02:28,530
sports in college and she never beat a boy.

2633
03:02:28,530 --> 03:02:35,728
I think it'd be -- it would be unfortunate if we were allowing

2634
03:02:35,728 --> 03:02:39,928
boys and men to participate against women.

2635
03:02:41,534 --> 03:02:45,134
With that, roll call vote, please.

2636
03:02:45,271 --> 03:02:47,273
>> Council member Hollingshead? >> Yes.

2637
03:02:47,273 --> 03:02:48,941
>> Council member Bracken? >> Yes.

2638
03:02:48,941 --> 03:02:50,343
>> Council member Davis? >> Yes.

2639
03:02:50,343 --> 03:02:52,743
>> Council member Brooks? >> Aye.

2640
03:02:53,746 --> 03:02:54,814
>> Council member Dietz? >> Yes.

2641
03:02:54,814 --> 03:02:57,814
>> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey? >> Yes.

2642
03:02:58,150 --> 03:03:00,150
>> Mayor Gray? >> Aye.

2643
03:03:00,619 --> 03:03:02,354
>> Motion passes uman unanimously.

2644
03:03:02,354 --> 03:03:05,354
#18, ordinance 2026-27. Ordinance Amending Section

2645
03:03:10,295 --> 03:03:11,764
16.08.120 of the Castle Rock Municipal Code Regarding the Use

2646
03:03:11,764 --> 03:03:17,164
of Land and Cash Fees Dedicated for School Purposes

2647
03:03:19,705 --> 03:03:20,439
>> Mayor? >> Sir.

2648
03:03:20,439 --> 03:03:22,641
>> There's some question about if I have a conflict of interest

2649
03:03:22,641 --> 03:03:25,177
on this particular item. I would just like to speak to

2650
03:03:25,177 --> 03:03:27,312
that. I'm a high school principal in

2651
03:03:27,312 --> 03:03:30,449
Douglas county. I worked in the district my

2652
03:03:30,449 --> 03:03:32,518
whole career. I raised my kids here.

2653
03:03:32,518 --> 03:03:38,518
Unlike mayor Cavey does so properly, she works for a

2654
03:03:39,925 --> 03:03:43,729
for-profit corporation and does contracts, there's unique

2655
03:03:43,729 --> 03:03:46,531
entities, the state of Colorado, Douglas county and Douglas

2656
03:03:46,531 --> 03:03:49,468
county school district which we have a ton of overlap with, we

2657
03:03:49,468 --> 03:03:52,710
have partnerships with and so there may be times where I have

2658
03:03:52,710 --> 03:03:54,473
a conflict of interest. Somebody mentioned we vote on

2659
03:03:54,473 --> 03:03:57,343
the 2024 [indiscernible] which we did not.

2660
03:03:57,343 --> 03:04:00,146
In 2022, we did. So, yes, I did vote to support

2661
03:04:00,146 --> 03:04:03,749
something that gave me a raise. In the future, I should recuse

2662
03:04:03,749 --> 03:04:05,830
myself from those things. That's fair.

2663
03:04:05,830 --> 03:04:07,485
But we have two council members who are married to teachers.

2664
03:04:07,485 --> 03:04:09,821
We have a council member who receives a paycheck from the

2665
03:04:09,821 --> 03:04:11,957
state of Colorado. We may have another council

2666
03:04:11,957 --> 03:04:17,563
member who may end up getting a paycheck from Douglas county.

2667
03:04:17,563 --> 03:04:18,697
We're all connected to these community partners.

2668
03:04:18,697 --> 03:04:22,340
There's going to be a lot of over on a lot of issues --

2669
03:04:22,340 --> 03:04:24,837
overlap on a lot of issues. To me, this is a big long-term

2670
03:04:24,837 --> 03:04:28,240
land use and school capital funding issue we're talking

2671
03:04:28,240 --> 03:04:30,242
about today. And I would -- I need to

2672
03:04:30,242 --> 03:04:34,313
represent the 12,000 people of the Meadows who have kids and

2673
03:04:34,313 --> 03:04:37,449
who have invested into this community on this subject.

2674
03:04:37,449 --> 03:04:41,519
If anyone could connect the dots of how I will get a big bonus

2675
03:04:41,519 --> 03:04:46,191
from this topic of three acres of land next to Redhawk or

2676
03:04:46,191 --> 03:04:49,327
something like that, if I ever get a raise because of this, I

2677
03:04:49,327 --> 03:04:53,337
will be happy to donate that raise because of it.

2678
03:04:53,337 --> 03:04:59,209
There will be issues we all have that are conflicts of interest.

2679
03:04:59,209 --> 03:05:01,780
I don't think this is one of them.

2680
03:05:01,780 --> 03:05:03,214
I am not going to recuse myself. >> Thank you.

2681
03:05:03,214 --> 03:05:05,282
Council member Brooks? >> Thank you.

2682
03:05:05,282 --> 03:05:10,870
I have my own opinions on whether you should or not that

2683
03:05:10,870 --> 03:05:14,287
don't really matter honestly. They don't matter.

2684
03:05:14,291 --> 03:05:20,891
However, I do think that Mr. Hyman, we were talking about

2685
03:05:22,320 --> 03:05:25,102
the actual black and white -- like, if there's a very clear

2686
03:05:25,102 --> 03:05:29,373
conflict, if our legal department felt that way, um, I

2687
03:05:29,373 --> 03:05:35,450
just want to make it clear there are mechanisms by which a member

2688
03:05:35,450 --> 03:05:39,650
can be forcefully recused but in my conversations -- and I'm

2689
03:05:39,650 --> 03:05:45,856
going to ask legal to chime in, because, again, your opinions in

2690
03:05:45,856 --> 03:05:48,580
some way about whether you should recuse yourself or not

2691
03:05:48,580 --> 03:05:50,461
don't matter either. From a legal perspective it

2692
03:05:50,461 --> 03:05:52,463
does. I would like legal to be able to

2693
03:05:52,463 --> 03:05:55,866
weigh in on that, please. >> These are always difficult

2694
03:05:55,866 --> 03:06:00,337
issues, because we live in the gray much of the time.

2695
03:06:00,337 --> 03:06:04,275
And I think council member Hollingshead is correct in

2696
03:06:04,275 --> 03:06:11,475
saying that we live in the gray. I've always taken the position

2697
03:06:13,817 --> 03:06:19,890
in my career is the decision of recusal is council members and

2698
03:06:19,890 --> 03:06:21,892
council members alone. Unless there's a clear, clear

2699
03:06:21,892 --> 03:06:29,330
violation, I will not intercede. It is your call, each one of

2700
03:06:29,330 --> 03:06:30,701
you. You all have this call.

2701
03:06:30,701 --> 03:06:35,840
I think it's important that it remain with the people that are

2702
03:06:35,840 --> 03:06:39,376
elected to office. >> Thank you, sir.

2703
03:06:39,376 --> 03:06:42,646
>> Just for clarification, that was really kind of to support

2704
03:06:42,646 --> 03:06:43,580
your decision more than anything.

2705
03:06:43,580 --> 03:06:46,116
Not to challenge it. I wanted to make sure.

2706
03:06:46,116 --> 03:06:47,985
>> I got you. >> Thank you.

2707
03:06:47,985 --> 03:06:51,321
>> Thank you, David? >> Mayor and council, this is

2708
03:06:51,321 --> 03:06:57,921
the second and final reading on the ordinance that would amend

2709
03:06:58,529 --> 03:07:01,665
certain parts of the town code. I won't go through the

2710
03:07:01,665 --> 03:07:06,136
presentation in full again given the hour and the issues.

2711
03:07:06,136 --> 03:07:09,406
I think you understand the provisions of the ordinance.

2712
03:07:09,406 --> 03:07:14,745
I would make it clear to the people that are listening to

2713
03:07:14,745 --> 03:07:18,149
this for the first time that this doesn't change any of the

2714
03:07:18,149 --> 03:07:21,352
designations. It establishes a process for the

2715
03:07:21,352 --> 03:07:26,752
existing designations and future designations where we would be

2716
03:07:27,357 --> 03:07:31,828
required to have a dialogue not only with the school district as

2717
03:07:31,828 --> 03:07:37,101
to whether or not that future school site designation

2718
03:07:37,101 --> 03:07:39,970
continues but also with the neighborhoods so they would have

2719
03:07:39,970 --> 03:07:44,770
an opportunity to know about that as well.

2720
03:07:45,109 --> 03:07:47,778
I'm happy to respond to any questions.

2721
03:07:47,778 --> 03:07:51,649
You've seen a lot of correspondence and a number of

2722
03:07:51,649 --> 03:07:53,384
statements made. I see this is part of the

2723
03:07:53,384 --> 03:07:56,384
continuing dialogue on that issue.

2724
03:07:58,856 --> 03:08:04,728
>> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey. >> Dave, I'm going to ask you

2725
03:08:04,728 --> 03:08:06,864
the same questions I asked at the last meeting because there

2726
03:08:06,864 --> 03:08:12,264
are people here that didn't attend the last meeting.

2727
03:08:15,139 --> 03:08:21,780
Whether we Dez -- when we designate or a developer

2728
03:08:21,780 --> 03:08:24,548
designated a property with a school, does that property sit

2729
03:08:24,548 --> 03:08:29,420
with the Town of Castle Rock or sit with the school district?

2730
03:08:29,420 --> 03:08:33,290
>> I'm going to change a little bit of your wording and

2731
03:08:33,290 --> 03:08:37,561
substitute the word sits with with who has title to?

2732
03:08:37,561 --> 03:08:41,499
>> Thank you. >> In this case at all times,

2733
03:08:41,499 --> 03:08:43,330
the property is entitled to the town.

2734
03:08:43,330 --> 03:08:45,903
The town maintains it and cleans it up.

2735
03:08:45,903 --> 03:08:50,174
As long as the issue is on the property, those kinds of

2736
03:08:50,174 --> 03:08:53,376
things... it mows and does whatever it needs to do in order

2737
03:08:53,376 --> 03:08:56,380
to be able to maintain the property it owns at all times.

2738
03:08:56,380 --> 03:09:01,919
>> It costs us money, the town and the taxpayers, to maintain

2739
03:09:01,919 --> 03:09:03,187
those properties? >> Yes, it does.

2740
03:09:03,187 --> 03:09:08,392
I don't want to overemphasize that but, yes, it does.

2741
03:09:08,392 --> 03:09:11,528
We have to mow it, deal with trash and issues on the

2742
03:09:11,528 --> 03:09:12,396
property. Absolutely.

2743
03:09:12,396 --> 03:09:17,134
>> Then my third question that I asked last time, at any point in

2744
03:09:17,134 --> 03:09:22,673
Castle Rock history, have we ever exchanged any money for

2745
03:09:22,673 --> 03:09:26,760
property we own that is designated for a school and

2746
03:09:26,760 --> 03:09:29,946
given it to the Douglas county school district?

2747
03:09:29,946 --> 03:09:35,946
>> The answer to that question in my research is no.

2748
03:09:39,556 --> 03:09:45,556
There is $230,000 sitting in an account that was designated for

2749
03:09:46,963 --> 03:09:54,163
a school at Redhawk that was collected by the town for --

2750
03:09:58,175 --> 03:10:00,711
from the developer of Redhawk but other than that, we have

2751
03:10:00,711 --> 03:10:06,711
never received cash from a developer and we have never

2752
03:10:07,651 --> 03:10:12,451
exchanged property except for the purpose when school

2753
03:10:12,655 --> 03:10:14,524
districts said they were going to build a school on that

2754
03:10:14,524 --> 03:10:19,324
property and then we [indiscernible] the property to

2755
03:10:20,263 --> 03:10:25,336
the school. I say "we," the town council as

2756
03:10:25,336 --> 03:10:26,936
a whole approved the deed for that.

2757
03:10:26,936 --> 03:10:29,336
>> Thank you. >> Max Brooks?

2758
03:10:32,809 --> 03:10:36,946
>> Mayor, thank you. Mr. Corliss, question just for

2759
03:10:36,946 --> 03:10:41,146
clarification that this ordinance is basically just

2760
03:10:41,819 --> 03:10:45,288
putting into motion a mechanism to review each individual

2761
03:10:45,288 --> 03:10:47,891
property? This is not a blanket review

2762
03:10:47,891 --> 03:10:50,961
where we're making the decision on all of the properties that we

2763
03:10:50,961 --> 03:10:56,100
have discussed previously? Just want to make sure we're

2764
03:10:56,100 --> 03:10:57,368
clarification that each individual property will have

2765
03:10:57,368 --> 03:10:59,436
its own process. Is that correct?

2766
03:10:59,436 --> 03:11:01,776
>> Council member, that is correct.

2767
03:11:01,776 --> 03:11:08,376
We would sit down with school districts, look at the master

2768
03:11:08,916 --> 03:11:12,520
list, have a discussion with them which properties do they

2769
03:11:12,520 --> 03:11:16,857
see as potential school sites. I think there's some 13 of 'em.

2770
03:11:16,857 --> 03:11:23,865
And then start that dialogue and then if there is a report back

2771
03:11:23,865 --> 03:11:27,201
to you all, then we'll initiate the discussion about removing

2772
03:11:27,201 --> 03:11:29,803
the designation on those in which we don't think it's ever

2773
03:11:29,803 --> 03:11:32,873
going to be used as a school site.

2774
03:11:32,873 --> 03:11:36,677
And then hopefully concurrent with that at some time in the

2775
03:11:36,677 --> 03:11:40,810
future when the school district needs to build a school in

2776
03:11:40,810 --> 03:11:45,860
Castle Rock, I think we need to have a dialogue about how we can

2777
03:11:45,860 --> 03:11:49,757
help that school come to fruition in Castle Rock.

2778
03:11:49,757 --> 03:11:54,829
I think the last school built in the community was 12 years ago.

2779
03:11:54,829 --> 03:12:00,229
As you know, our growth has significantly slowed down.

2780
03:12:00,835 --> 03:12:04,380
I didn't have the chance to say that when we had a larger

2781
03:12:04,380 --> 03:12:07,775
audience this evening but we've done three single-family

2782
03:12:07,775 --> 03:12:12,780
building permits last month. We're not seeing a lot of

2783
03:12:12,780 --> 03:12:14,515
growth. We'll see some growth continue

2784
03:12:14,515 --> 03:12:19,186
in the south part of town. At some point, Dawson trails

2785
03:12:19,186 --> 03:12:22,523
will grow. We know that the meadows

2786
03:12:22,523 --> 03:12:24,926
subdivision -- I'm familiar with that -- that's taken 40 years to

2787
03:12:24,926 --> 03:12:28,529
build out. So at some point when the school

2788
03:12:28,529 --> 03:12:33,668
district wants to talk about building a school in Castle

2789
03:12:33,668 --> 03:12:36,871
Rock, I think we would want to be partners in regards to how

2790
03:12:36,871 --> 03:12:40,875
that might be something we could help in regards to that as well.

2791
03:12:40,875 --> 03:12:43,610
>> Each one of these properties that we have reviewed before

2792
03:12:43,610 --> 03:12:46,481
that's on your list, each one of them will have its own public

2793
03:12:46,481 --> 03:12:50,751
hearing item, correct? Where it comes to council and

2794
03:12:50,751 --> 03:12:54,288
there'll be the opportunity for everybody to come in and give

2795
03:12:54,288 --> 03:12:57,892
public comments and -- >> Yeah, that is correct,

2796
03:12:57,892 --> 03:13:01,963
council member, and the predecessor to that will then be

2797
03:13:01,963 --> 03:13:04,320
a dialogue with the school district about that site and

2798
03:13:04,320 --> 03:13:07,635
significantly a notification to the area property owners that

2799
03:13:07,635 --> 03:13:12,435
this issue is under consideration and when town

2800
03:13:12,706 --> 03:13:18,106
council would be considering it. >> Council member Dietz followed

2801
03:13:18,112 --> 03:13:20,648
by Mayor Pro Tem Cavey. >> Simply put, I like what you

2802
03:13:20,648 --> 03:13:25,520
said there,town manager, is there'll be public comment and

2803
03:13:25,520 --> 03:13:29,389
the public will know what is going on versus it being thrown

2804
03:13:29,389 --> 03:13:32,326
on the consent calendar, correct?

2805
03:13:32,326 --> 03:13:35,529
>> I would -- yeah, the ordinance provides for a public

2806
03:13:35,529 --> 03:13:36,397
hearing -- >> Correct.

2807
03:13:36,397 --> 03:13:41,268
>> There are processes and laws and that means that it is just

2808
03:13:41,268 --> 03:13:42,403
that. At the public hearing, we have

2809
03:13:42,403 --> 03:13:46,607
that and then we would need to notify an appropriate level of

2810
03:13:46,607 --> 03:13:50,807
adjacent property owners, the neighborhood, that this

2811
03:13:53,548 --> 03:13:55,216
particular issue is up for consideration.

2812
03:13:55,216 --> 03:13:57,170
>> Just wanted to reiterate. Thank you.

2813
03:13:57,170 --> 03:14:01,817
>> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey. >> One more question, Dave.

2814
03:14:03,891 --> 03:14:08,563
If a property comes up and we go to the school district and we

2815
03:14:08,563 --> 03:14:12,700
speak with them and they say, yes, there's still a possibility

2816
03:14:12,700 --> 03:14:16,837
in the next say five years that we might put a school there,

2817
03:14:16,837 --> 03:14:23,177
then we leave it designated as possible -- as a possible school

2818
03:14:23,177 --> 03:14:27,849
and we revisit it -- and I'm making up a timeline -- in five

2819
03:14:27,849 --> 03:14:32,490
years. We're not doing this to take

2820
03:14:34,188 --> 03:14:38,988
property where the school district would eventually want

2821
03:14:39,993 --> 03:14:44,465
to do a school, correct? >> That's how we've tried to

2822
03:14:44,465 --> 03:14:48,665
design the ordinance. It continues with that

2823
03:14:49,403 --> 03:14:51,539
continuing evaluation of the issue.

2824
03:14:51,539 --> 03:14:57,770
>> For example, the school -- or the school -- I'm sorry, the

2825
03:14:57,770 --> 03:15:02,477
property that has been there since 1999 In council member

2826
03:15:05,486 --> 03:15:09,423
Brooks district, probably very high land likely where it's

2827
03:15:09,423 --> 03:15:11,292
located that there's going to be a school in that property.

2828
03:15:11,292 --> 03:15:13,494
>> I think that's a fair comment.

2829
03:15:13,494 --> 03:15:14,695
I'd like to hear what the school district says.

2830
03:15:14,695 --> 03:15:17,164
>> All right, thank you. >> Thank you.

2831
03:15:17,164 --> 03:15:23,764
Any further questions for Dave? I have a handful of people

2832
03:15:24,505 --> 03:15:26,974
signed up. Again, I apologize because I'm

2833
03:15:26,974 --> 03:15:31,174
definitely out of order. Angela Thomas, please.

2834
03:15:42,189 --> 03:15:45,593
>> Good evening, again. The more I hear about this

2835
03:15:45,593 --> 03:15:48,929
proposal, the more I believe there's a legitimate problem

2836
03:15:48,929 --> 03:15:54,468
here that needs to be solved. Recognizing a problem doesn't

2837
03:15:54,468 --> 03:15:57,204
automatically mean the solution before you is the right one.

2838
03:15:57,204 --> 03:15:59,740
Crystal valley is a good example of why we need to get this

2839
03:15:59,740 --> 03:16:01,275
right. Land was identified and

2840
03:16:01,275 --> 03:16:05,120
dedicated for a future school. Ultimately, that did not happen

2841
03:16:05,120 --> 03:16:07,815
and one of the issues that appears to be emerging is that

2842
03:16:07,815 --> 03:16:11,152
simply dedicating acreage is not enough.

2843
03:16:11,152 --> 03:16:15,889
School land has to actually be suitable for building a school.

2844
03:16:15,889 --> 03:16:18,692
A parcel could look adequate on a development plan and still

2845
03:16:18,692 --> 03:16:22,292
present problems because of topography, infrastructure,

2846
03:16:24,165 --> 03:16:27,501
access, grading costs or other site constraints.

2847
03:16:27,501 --> 03:16:29,436
If developers are satisfying their obligation by dedicating

2848
03:16:29,436 --> 03:16:32,306
land that the school district cannot reasonably or

2849
03:16:32,306 --> 03:16:33,907
economically use, then, yes, we have a problem.

2850
03:16:33,907 --> 03:16:37,511
But I'm not convinced the answer is simply to move away from the

2851
03:16:37,511 --> 03:16:40,447
current system. The biggest issue I see here is

2852
03:16:40,447 --> 03:16:42,850
coordination. Cass the rock approves

2853
03:16:42,850 --> 03:16:44,652
development. Douglas county school district

2854
03:16:44,652 --> 03:16:48,589
has to plan for the students who come with that development.

2855
03:16:48,589 --> 03:16:50,657
Developers know what land they're proposing to dedicate.

2856
03:16:50,657 --> 03:16:55,129
Those three parties need to be communicating before a

2857
03:16:55,129 --> 03:16:56,664
development agreement locks everyone into a site that may

2858
03:16:56,664 --> 03:16:58,999
not work. We shouldn't be deciding years

2859
03:16:58,999 --> 03:17:02,599
later that the land wasn't suitable.

2860
03:17:03,804 --> 03:17:07,474
Before changing the system, I'd like to know why the existing

2861
03:17:07,474 --> 03:17:10,232
process failed in crystal valley.

2862
03:17:10,232 --> 03:17:13,168
Did the town know? Did the developer know that the

2863
03:17:13,168 --> 03:17:15,504
site wasn't workable? What safeguards could have

2864
03:17:15,504 --> 03:17:17,505
prevented it. Growth creates children.

2865
03:17:17,505 --> 03:17:19,108
Children require schools. Those needs should be addressed

2866
03:17:19,108 --> 03:17:22,430
as part of planning for growth, not after the neighborhoods are

2867
03:17:22,430 --> 03:17:23,778
built. There's a problem here we're

2868
03:17:23,778 --> 03:17:27,378
solving. I'm simply asking council to

2869
03:17:27,983 --> 03:17:29,851
make sure we're solving the right problem in the right way

2870
03:17:29,851 --> 03:17:32,321
and the town and the school district are talking to each

2871
03:17:32,321 --> 03:17:33,389
other before those decisions are made.

2872
03:17:33,389 --> 03:17:35,991
Thank you. >> Thank you, Angela.

2873
03:17:35,991 --> 03:17:40,191
Tony Ryan. >> Good evening, while I'm here

2874
03:17:46,201 --> 03:17:49,471
today in my role as a school board director, I'm also a

2875
03:17:49,471 --> 03:17:52,541
Castle Rock resident. I was incredibly fortunate to go

2876
03:17:52,541 --> 03:17:55,877
to school through the DCSD system.

2877
03:17:55,877 --> 03:18:00,348
I went to Cass the rock middle school and castleview high

2878
03:18:00,348 --> 03:18:02,751
school and it was brand-new. I spent a large portion of my

2879
03:18:02,751 --> 03:18:06,622
life here in Castle Rock. There's not a lot to do in the

2880
03:18:06,622 --> 03:18:10,822
forest of larkspur if you're a teenager.

2881
03:18:11,360 --> 03:18:15,230
I can remember when we had two Blockbusters.

2882
03:18:15,230 --> 03:18:18,767
While I loved my school experiences, I had to adapt to

2883
03:18:18,767 --> 03:18:21,360
very long bus rides to get to and from school.

2884
03:18:21,360 --> 03:18:26,441
My family chose to live in Larkspur and wanted the

2885
03:18:26,441 --> 03:18:27,442
spread-out neighborhood it offered.

2886
03:18:27,442 --> 03:18:30,579
Not having a middle school and high school nearby was part of

2887
03:18:30,579 --> 03:18:31,447
the experience that was expected.

2888
03:18:31,447 --> 03:18:32,581
The plan for my family is different.

2889
03:18:32,581 --> 03:18:37,652
My wife and I live in Terrain. Sage canyon elementary is a

2890
03:18:37,652 --> 03:18:39,388
straight shot out our front door.

2891
03:18:39,388 --> 03:18:43,125
Our children will have short bus rides to Mesa and D.C.

2892
03:18:43,125 --> 03:18:47,620
Part of the reason we live where we do is the neighborhood has an

2893
03:18:47,620 --> 03:18:50,999
elementary school at its center. Sage canyon was the last one

2894
03:18:50,999 --> 03:18:55,471
built in Castle Rock. Town imaginer manager Corliss

2895
03:18:55,471 --> 03:18:57,873
talked about that was the last one built in the district except

2896
03:18:57,873 --> 03:19:00,876
for the two set to open next year.

2897
03:19:00,876 --> 03:19:04,546
That's due to the school board refusing to ask for bond

2898
03:19:04,546 --> 03:19:05,881
initiatives to build new schools here.

2899
03:19:05,881 --> 03:19:08,350
That's why there's not a neighborhood school in crystal

2900
03:19:08,350 --> 03:19:11,860
valley right now. Under this proposed ordinance,

2901
03:19:11,860 --> 03:19:13,488
families in Castle Rock area would be limited to the current

2902
03:19:13,488 --> 03:19:16,758
neighborhood schools. Some of the fastest-growing

2903
03:19:16,758 --> 03:19:20,829
neighborhoods in Castle Rock do not have an elementary school,

2904
03:19:20,829 --> 03:19:23,565
crystal valley as we know. Dawson's trail.

2905
03:19:23,565 --> 03:19:26,565
These aren't areas like Larkspur.

2906
03:19:26,701 --> 03:19:29,905
These are neighborhood developments where families

2907
03:19:29,905 --> 03:19:32,708
expect to have groceries stores, banks and gas stations and my

2908
03:19:32,708 --> 03:19:35,377
wife and I are excited for the Costco.

2909
03:19:35,377 --> 03:19:39,848
This is unduly focused on the short-term when it comes to

2910
03:19:39,848 --> 03:19:44,319
providing the same families and neighbors to access to schools.

2911
03:19:44,319 --> 03:19:47,990
My in-laws live right next to the land in castlewood ranch.

2912
03:19:47,990 --> 03:19:51,259
I've seen that property. I've been seeing it forever with

2913
03:19:51,259 --> 03:19:53,595
the sign up saying there's a future high school.

2914
03:19:53,595 --> 03:19:55,997
I've significant concerns with the ordinance and the impact on

2915
03:19:55,997 --> 03:20:01,997
Castle Rock students and family. Strong schools aren't just the

2916
03:20:02,710 --> 03:20:05,607
school district concern. They enhance the community's

2917
03:20:05,607 --> 03:20:11,607
desirability and are an intrical -- the long range planning

2918
03:20:17,850 --> 03:20:19,288
committee analyzes population trends, school facility

2919
03:20:19,288 --> 03:20:21,757
utilization and needs and makes recommendations to board-related

2920
03:20:21,757 --> 03:20:24,292
and school capacity and new school site locations.

2921
03:20:24,292 --> 03:20:28,492
Members dedicate countless volunteer hours to review,

2922
03:20:29,364 --> 03:20:32,968
refine and improve the planning and the future.

2923
03:20:32,968 --> 03:20:34,503
Some served the district for years and understand the

2924
03:20:34,503 --> 03:20:37,839
importance of careful and thoughtful capital

2925
03:20:37,839 --> 03:20:40,109
infrastructure investments and land use planning as new

2926
03:20:40,109 --> 03:20:44,779
communities develop over time. The committee considers both

2927
03:20:44,779 --> 03:20:46,248
sites the district owns and school sites set aside for

2928
03:20:46,248 --> 03:20:48,316
future schools. They met and reviewed the

2929
03:20:48,316 --> 03:20:50,318
ordinance. They identified concerns.

2930
03:20:50,318 --> 03:20:55,657
The amendments restricts the district's ability to respond to

2931
03:20:55,657 --> 03:20:57,859
changing demographics and development shifts.

2932
03:20:57,859 --> 03:21:00,928
School sites can't be selected based on what's best for most

2933
03:21:00,928 --> 03:21:04,399
students because it would make it nearly impossible for us to

2934
03:21:04,399 --> 03:21:07,680
pass the bonds necessary to build the schools.

2935
03:21:07,680 --> 03:21:11,600
The ordinance makes it impossible to build future

2936
03:21:11,600 --> 03:21:13,542
schools in Castle Rock. If you vote for this ordinance,

2937
03:21:13,542 --> 03:21:16,678
you're voting for no future neighborhood schools in Cass the

2938
03:21:16,678 --> 03:21:19,678
rock. Building new schools requires

2939
03:21:20,948 --> 03:21:22,150
funding through a bond initiative.

2940
03:21:22,150 --> 03:21:25,153
That takes time. The last bond that was passed

2941
03:21:25,153 --> 03:21:28,356
was years in the making. The ordinance takes that time

2942
03:21:28,356 --> 03:21:31,693
away. This will result in Castle Rock

2943
03:21:31,693 --> 03:21:32,827
developments without a neighborhood school.

2944
03:21:32,827 --> 03:21:35,964
They will never have a neighborhood school.

2945
03:21:35,964 --> 03:21:38,366
The time constraints do not match with how long range

2946
03:21:38,366 --> 03:21:41,360
planning works with student projections, three-year

2947
03:21:41,360 --> 03:21:44,105
requirement and the attendance circumstances with it create an

2948
03:21:44,105 --> 03:21:46,641
impossible task for the school district.

2949
03:21:46,641 --> 03:21:49,444
>> Thank you, Tony. >> Thank you.

2950
03:21:49,444 --> 03:21:53,440
>> Next I have Susan. >> Good evening.

2951
03:22:03,725 --> 03:22:09,125
Good evening, Mayor Gray. I appreciate the opportunity to

2952
03:22:11,933 --> 03:22:14,536
be here tonight to speak with you.

2953
03:22:14,536 --> 03:22:16,337
I'm Susan meek, the president of the Douglas county school

2954
03:22:16,337 --> 03:22:19,408
district board of education. And I'm here tonight in that

2955
03:22:19,408 --> 03:22:25,408
capacity To respectfully ask to you table the ordinance 2026-27

2956
03:22:28,550 --> 03:22:31,286
and give representatives from the town and the school district

2957
03:22:31,286 --> 03:22:37,425
and the board an opportunity to sit down and meet directly

2958
03:22:37,425 --> 03:22:41,696
before a final action is taken. Mayor Gray, I'd like to thank

2959
03:22:41,696 --> 03:22:45,300
you for speaking with me and taking time today to provide

2960
03:22:45,300 --> 03:22:49,303
some background and additional information and perspective

2961
03:22:49,303 --> 03:22:53,503
especially around how the experience surrounding crystal

2962
03:22:53,574 --> 03:22:57,712
valley property contributed to some of the concerns that have

2963
03:22:57,712 --> 03:23:01,490
brought us here tonight. So I understand why that

2964
03:23:01,490 --> 03:23:06,254
experience was frustrating for the town, for the council, for

2965
03:23:06,254 --> 03:23:11,727
the entire community and regardless of how or why it

2966
03:23:11,727 --> 03:23:16,527
occurred, residents should not feel surprised by decisions

2967
03:23:16,598 --> 03:23:19,598
affecting property in their neighborhoods.

2968
03:23:20,268 --> 03:23:26,940
I believe we share the goal of creating greater transparency,

2969
03:23:26,940 --> 03:23:29,694
predictability and public understanding around these

2970
03:23:31,632 --> 03:23:34,835
school-dedicated sites. At the same time, the school

2971
03:23:34,835 --> 03:23:38,172
district has a responsibility to plan for students and

2972
03:23:38,172 --> 03:23:41,172
communities well into the future.

2973
03:23:41,976 --> 03:23:46,715
Neighborhoods grow, change and turn over and decisions made

2974
03:23:46,715 --> 03:23:51,652
today about land dedicated for schools can affect our ability

2975
03:23:51,652 --> 03:23:55,252
to serve students decades from now.

2976
03:23:55,389 --> 03:23:58,926
Those interests do not have to conflict.

2977
03:23:58,926 --> 03:24:00,795
Rather than allowing the difficulty surrounding this

2978
03:24:00,795 --> 03:24:04,999
property to further strain the relationship between our

2979
03:24:04,999 --> 03:24:10,805
organizations, I believe we have an opportunity at this moment to

2980
03:24:10,805 --> 03:24:16,205
build a better process. The district and board would

2981
03:24:16,411 --> 03:24:23,110
welcome the opportunity to work with the town, to work through

2982
03:24:23,284 --> 03:24:27,484
school-dedicated property process together and develop a

2983
03:24:27,622 --> 03:24:32,422
transparent process that gives Castle Rock residents greater

2984
03:24:33,828 --> 03:24:35,763
certainty while preserving the district's ability to meet

2985
03:24:35,763 --> 03:24:40,563
future educational needs. Where there are properties that

2986
03:24:41,302 --> 03:24:45,640
clearly will not be needed for schools, let's talk about those.

2987
03:24:45,640 --> 03:24:49,443
Where there are properties that may be important to future

2988
03:24:49,443 --> 03:24:53,781
students, let's understand why. And let's establish a process so

2989
03:24:53,781 --> 03:24:58,919
that neither organizations or the community is caught by

2990
03:24:58,919 --> 03:25:04,125
surprise in the future. Our two organizations serve the

2991
03:25:04,125 --> 03:25:07,725
same families and the same taxpayers.

2992
03:25:07,996 --> 03:25:10,732
They should expect us to work together.

2993
03:25:10,732 --> 03:25:14,602
The board is now directly engaged in this conversation and

2994
03:25:14,602 --> 03:25:20,800
we would welcome the opportunity to engage directly with the

2995
03:25:20,800 --> 03:25:23,100
council. Before taking an action with

2996
03:25:23,100 --> 03:25:25,880
long-term implications for public assets, I believe we owe

2997
03:25:25,880 --> 03:25:29,551
it to the community to make that effort.

2998
03:25:29,551 --> 03:25:34,555
So tonight, my request is simple, please table the

2999
03:25:34,555 --> 03:25:37,491
ordinance and give our two governing bodies an opportunity

3000
03:25:37,491 --> 03:25:43,491
to meet before you make a final decision on this.

3001
03:25:44,632 --> 03:25:46,701
A short delay does not commit either organization to a

3002
03:25:46,701 --> 03:25:49,637
particular outcome. It simply gives us an

3003
03:25:49,637 --> 03:25:53,441
opportunity to listen to one another, work through the issues

3004
03:25:53,441 --> 03:25:57,511
and determine whether we could reach a solution that better

3005
03:25:57,511 --> 03:26:01,649
serves Castle Rock's residents, Douglas county school district

3006
03:26:01,649 --> 03:26:03,649
families. Thank you.

3007
03:26:05,786 --> 03:26:09,986
>> Thank you, Susan. Next I have Michael.

3008
03:26:17,665 --> 03:26:21,869
>> I'm Michael, the chair of the long-range planning committee

3009
03:26:21,869 --> 03:26:25,873
speaking to you as an individual in the community.

3010
03:26:25,873 --> 03:26:30,945
So as mentioned, we spend a lot of time looking at the future

3011
03:26:30,945 --> 03:26:36,484
forecast between 0-5 and then 5-10 to assess the district's

3012
03:26:36,484 --> 03:26:42,623
capital needs as well as growth and decline and monitor the land

3013
03:26:42,623 --> 03:26:46,223
inventory that the district currently owns.

3014
03:26:46,894 --> 03:26:49,497
There is precedent for municipalities to come to us

3015
03:26:49,497 --> 03:26:54,635
with requests for alternate designations and things of that

3016
03:26:54,635 --> 03:26:56,971
nature. I think the school board is very

3017
03:26:56,971 --> 03:27:00,108
open to those initiatives. So I think as I heard you all

3018
03:27:00,108 --> 03:27:04,445
describe what you're attempting to accomplish with this

3019
03:27:04,445 --> 03:27:09,245
ordinance, I felt very aligned with the words.

3020
03:27:09,784 --> 03:27:14,856
There are, however, issues in the details of the ordinance,

3021
03:27:14,856 --> 03:27:17,191
specifically referring to the time frames that will make it

3022
03:27:17,191 --> 03:27:23,191
very challenging for us to do the master capital planning

3023
03:27:25,599 --> 03:27:29,403
process, create holistic plans for the school district more

3024
03:27:29,403 --> 03:27:33,741
broadly as well as, you know, really, really land and

3025
03:27:33,741 --> 03:27:37,345
effectively execute the bonds that are funded.

3026
03:27:37,345 --> 03:27:43,945
So it definitely restricts our ability to plan for the future.

3027
03:27:45,286 --> 03:27:51,759
I'll ask to you table that I'll also refer to a couple of have

3028
03:27:51,759 --> 03:27:55,959
successful engagements, two school sites that municipalities

3029
03:28:00,435 --> 03:28:02,570
approached the district about. We were able to dispose of that

3030
03:28:02,570 --> 03:28:07,970
land in an effective manner that benefited the community.

3031
03:28:13,247 --> 03:28:16,117
We're on board that we don't want a repeat of the crystal

3032
03:28:16,117 --> 03:28:18,719
valley process but we also definitely think there are

3033
03:28:18,719 --> 03:28:23,324
issues with this ordinance that will affect our ability to plan

3034
03:28:23,324 --> 03:28:26,527
with the district and would welcome the opportunity to work

3035
03:28:26,527 --> 03:28:32,660
more closely with this board. So thank you for your time.

3036
03:28:32,660 --> 03:28:34,466
>> Thank you, Michael. Aaron.

3037
03:28:46,814 --> 03:28:50,284
>> Mayor Gray and town council, thank you for having us tonight

3038
03:28:50,284 --> 03:28:54,422
and for considering our remarks. I, too, would like to request a

3039
03:28:54,422 --> 03:29:01,496
table of this ordinance so we can work clap brattively on --

3040
03:29:01,496 --> 03:29:06,330
collaboratively on the ordinance so it's meeting the requirements

3041
03:29:06,330 --> 03:29:09,437
you all have we all want to talk about school sites and having it

3042
03:29:09,437 --> 03:29:13,410
be designated as appropriate. This ordinance gives us concerns

3043
03:29:13,410 --> 03:29:15,576
that I'm certain are unintended consequences of the ordinance.

3044
03:29:15,576 --> 03:29:20,314
If I could, though, I would like to start with just talking about

3045
03:29:20,314 --> 03:29:22,583
growth in general. When somebody gets a building

3046
03:29:22,583 --> 03:29:27,655
permit here in Castle Rock, for example, there are fees

3047
03:29:27,655 --> 03:29:29,790
associated with growth. There are fees for police.

3048
03:29:29,790 --> 03:29:33,412
There are fees for parks and recreation, transportation, fire

3049
03:29:33,412 --> 03:29:35,281
and police, all of which make sense.

3050
03:29:35,281 --> 03:29:39,752
The school district has impacts from growth as well.

3051
03:29:39,752 --> 03:29:42,422
Needing to expand school facilities -- it's not just

3052
03:29:42,422 --> 03:29:47,222
building new schools -- expanding new facilities, new

3053
03:29:47,493 --> 03:29:52,980
bus routes for students, new safety measures in place,

3054
03:29:52,980 --> 03:29:54,567
crosswalk, etc. There's a lot of school expenses

3055
03:29:54,567 --> 03:29:56,350
that the district has because of growth.

3056
03:29:56,350 --> 03:29:59,104
The only impact fee or the fee that a school district is able

3057
03:29:59,104 --> 03:30:02,308
to collect is land dedicated or cash in lieu for new schools

3058
03:30:02,308 --> 03:30:07,108
from a developer. We don't have the $1,200 per

3059
03:30:07,179 --> 03:30:09,648
building permit or whatever it might be to impact those costs

3060
03:30:09,648 --> 03:30:13,653
of growth. So I wanted to make sure I level

3061
03:30:13,653 --> 03:30:17,790
set that conversation. With the ordinance in

3062
03:30:17,790 --> 03:30:20,393
particular, our biggest concern is not so much dedicating land

3063
03:30:20,393 --> 03:30:22,395
to open space. We want to talk to you and we

3064
03:30:22,395 --> 03:30:25,131
want to go through our sites and we're really committed to doing

3065
03:30:25,131 --> 03:30:30,536
that and not having any surprises or a repeat of crystal

3066
03:30:30,536 --> 03:30:33,720
valley. The bigger issue is future

3067
03:30:33,720 --> 03:30:35,141
schools. Because of the timelines that

3068
03:30:35,141 --> 03:30:38,544
are put in place in this ordinance, it actually makes it

3069
03:30:38,544 --> 03:30:41,213
impossible for us to build future schools.

3070
03:30:41,213 --> 03:30:45,952
For example, in order to access cash in lieu and cash in lieu

3071
03:30:45,952 --> 03:30:50,890
helps us with things like crosswalk and expanding an

3072
03:30:50,890 --> 03:30:53,759
existing facility, expand being the parking lot, whatever we

3073
03:30:53,759 --> 03:30:57,830
might need to do for growth, we wouldn't be able to access cash

3074
03:30:57,830 --> 03:30:59,365
in lieu until we secured funding for literally building a new

3075
03:30:59,365 --> 03:31:03,565
school. We also wouldn't be able to

3076
03:31:03,703 --> 03:31:05,972
designate a site without securing funding for a new

3077
03:31:05,972 --> 03:31:08,400
school. We can't ask the taxpayers for

3078
03:31:08,400 --> 03:31:10,909
funding for a new school without telling them what that site is

3079
03:31:10,909 --> 03:31:13,112
and having that site dedicated for that purpose.

3080
03:31:13,112 --> 03:31:16,983
It puts us in a chicken and an egg kind of cycle.

3081
03:31:16,983 --> 03:31:22,254
We are so committed to sitting down with this ordinance, with

3082
03:31:22,254 --> 03:31:24,991
the Town of Castle Rock to red line it together to go through

3083
03:31:24,991 --> 03:31:27,994
how can we make sure we're meeting your needs and your

3084
03:31:27,994 --> 03:31:32,640
requirements but we're also making it realistic for us to

3085
03:31:32,640 --> 03:31:36,202
build future schools in the Town of Castle Rock.

3086
03:31:36,202 --> 03:31:40,600
Part of our strategic plan in the school district speaks to

3087
03:31:40,600 --> 03:31:41,674
thriving schools and thriving communities.

3088
03:31:41,674 --> 03:31:45,411
We all need young families to move into Douglas county in

3089
03:31:45,411 --> 03:31:47,613
order to preserve our property values and ensure that our

3090
03:31:47,613 --> 03:31:52,485
community thrives for many, many years to come in places like

3091
03:31:52,485 --> 03:31:56,222
crystal valley and Dawson trail, that's going to be a difficult

3092
03:31:56,222 --> 03:31:58,891
proposition for families when there isn't a school in

3093
03:31:58,891 --> 03:32:03,763
proximity of that new community. They're going to pick Aurora

3094
03:32:03,763 --> 03:32:08,901
Highlands or somewhere else that's got a school in their

3095
03:32:08,901 --> 03:32:11,570
community. Thriving schools and thriving

3096
03:32:11,570 --> 03:32:13,372
communities is having schools where the children are and

3097
03:32:13,372 --> 03:32:16,174
making sure we can serve the entire community to keep it

3098
03:32:16,174 --> 03:32:19,779
thriving for years to come. Thank you so much for listening

3099
03:32:19,779 --> 03:32:22,248
to my remarks. I went off the cuff instead of

3100
03:32:22,248 --> 03:32:25,500
reading my remarks. I appreciate you listening to us

3101
03:32:25,500 --> 03:32:26,719
and considering -- all we're asking is an opportunity to sit

3102
03:32:26,719 --> 03:32:30,188
down and red line the ordinance together so it's pragmatic for

3103
03:32:30,188 --> 03:32:33,859
building new schools and it meets the needs of dealing with

3104
03:32:33,859 --> 03:32:37,930
the school sites now and in the future to prevent anyone being

3105
03:32:37,930 --> 03:32:40,732
surprised. Thank you, again, for your

3106
03:32:40,732 --> 03:32:41,867
consideration. I appreciate all of you.

3107
03:32:41,867 --> 03:32:43,269
Thank you for your service to our community.

3108
03:32:43,269 --> 03:32:47,469
>> Thank you, Erin. Next, I've got Sarah.

3109
03:32:55,681 --> 03:33:00,152
>> Hi there, I'm Sarah. I am an attorney for the school

3110
03:33:00,152 --> 03:33:03,222
district. I just wanted -- I'm not going

3111
03:33:03,222 --> 03:33:04,757
to reiterate everything. There's a letter that I believe

3112
03:33:04,757 --> 03:33:09,228
you all should have received this week that outlined some of

3113
03:33:09,228 --> 03:33:11,630
the legal concerns that we have with this ordinance that are not

3114
03:33:11,630 --> 03:33:15,434
just for schools. You know, legal challenges and

3115
03:33:15,434 --> 03:33:20,372
issues that will play out for your entire districts and your

3116
03:33:20,372 --> 03:33:22,975
other communities. I urge to you take a close look

3117
03:33:22,975 --> 03:33:25,111
at the ordinance. We want to work with you to make

3118
03:33:25,111 --> 03:33:27,780
sure that land and fees that are dedicated through the

3119
03:33:27,780 --> 03:33:32,580
development process are not challengeable by developers, but

3120
03:33:35,121 --> 03:33:36,550
that they're things you can retain.

3121
03:33:36,550 --> 03:33:40,326
We want to make sure that these fees are used for the purposes

3122
03:33:40,326 --> 03:33:42,395
that the developers are dedicating them for.

3123
03:33:42,395 --> 03:33:45,798
So I'll ask you just to turn to those -- to that letter and take

3124
03:33:45,798 --> 03:33:49,401
a look at that and what we're asking you to do is to table

3125
03:33:49,401 --> 03:33:52,871
this today. Just pause it so that those

3126
03:33:52,871 --> 03:33:56,609
issues, legal issues and other issues that you're hearing from

3127
03:33:56,609 --> 03:33:59,745
the district can be worked out and resolved.

3128
03:33:59,745 --> 03:34:02,814
The district wants to collaborate and partner with the

3129
03:34:02,814 --> 03:34:07,352
town to find ways to make sure that there is certainty about

3130
03:34:07,352 --> 03:34:10,555
what is going to happen with these sites and to make sure,

3131
03:34:10,555 --> 03:34:14,159
too, that these sites and the sites that are usable will be

3132
03:34:14,159 --> 03:34:17,896
used for schools going forward. There's a few things that I want

3133
03:34:17,896 --> 03:34:22,167
to point out. Yes, the title is with the town.

3134
03:34:22,167 --> 03:34:26,572
The property is dedicated as part of the development and the

3135
03:34:26,572 --> 03:34:29,842
title rests with the town, but it rests in trust for the

3136
03:34:29,842 --> 03:34:33,178
district. It is dedicated at the time of

3137
03:34:33,178 --> 03:34:38,578
the PV to the town to hold in trust.

3138
03:34:41,920 --> 03:34:45,591
The developers dedicate that land and those fees to the town

3139
03:34:45,591 --> 03:34:48,193
to hold in trust for this purpose which is for the school

3140
03:34:48,193 --> 03:34:51,597
district. And there's case law ensuring

3141
03:34:51,597 --> 03:34:55,000
that things that are dedicated remain dedicated that way so

3142
03:34:55,000 --> 03:34:58,670
that there is clarity for the population when these

3143
03:34:58,670 --> 03:35:02,340
developments are actually passed, when you go through the

3144
03:35:02,340 --> 03:35:06,278
process like we heard today. People get certainty about what

3145
03:35:06,278 --> 03:35:08,147
the land dedicated for and how it will be used.

3146
03:35:08,147 --> 03:35:13,552
The next point I want to make is, yes, this is an ordinance to

3147
03:35:13,552 --> 03:35:15,821
address a mechanism for review, and it does include a public

3148
03:35:15,821 --> 03:35:19,825
hearing item. But I want to point out that 15

3149
03:35:19,825 --> 03:35:24,163
days' notice to the public about the potential of losing a school

3150
03:35:24,163 --> 03:35:28,330
site is not enough for meaningful engagement from the

3151
03:35:28,330 --> 03:35:30,903
neighbors and the community. That's the amount in the current

3152
03:35:30,903 --> 03:35:32,304
ordinance. That's not enough to make sure

3153
03:35:32,304 --> 03:35:36,308
that the people who live by these schools find out about the

3154
03:35:36,308 --> 03:35:41,527
fact that they may lose school sites in their neighborhoods and

3155
03:35:41,527 --> 03:35:45,727
meaningfully engage. Similarly, in the ordinance and

3156
03:35:45,864 --> 03:35:48,200
what you're hearing today is that the process for school

3157
03:35:48,200 --> 03:35:51,404
planning is very lengthy. It is very complicated.

3158
03:35:51,404 --> 03:35:52,672
There's a committee that looks at that.

3159
03:35:52,672 --> 03:35:55,808
And the ordinance as it sits today provides the school

3160
03:35:55,808 --> 03:36:00,947
district 30 days' notice before it lets the district know it is

3161
03:36:00,947 --> 03:36:04,884
considering a site and putting it up for a hearing to remove as

3162
03:36:04,884 --> 03:36:09,555
a school-dedicated site. That Similarly is not enough

3163
03:36:09,555 --> 03:36:12,892
time for an organization like the district and the planning

3164
03:36:12,892 --> 03:36:17,764
committee and everybody to take a look at that site and

3165
03:36:17,764 --> 03:36:21,330
meaningfully confer with the town to make sure you're making

3166
03:36:21,330 --> 03:36:24,103
thoughtful and forward thinking land planning decisions.

3167
03:36:24,103 --> 03:36:27,707
As I mentioned before, there are other issues that are in the

3168
03:36:27,707 --> 03:36:30,443
letter that I relayed but I do think that the school district

3169
03:36:30,443 --> 03:36:35,380
shares the concerns that the town has expressed, transparency

3170
03:36:35,380 --> 03:36:38,450
about what is going to happen with these sites, for a process

3171
03:36:38,450 --> 03:36:42,187
to figure out when and how sites will be addressed that exist now

3172
03:36:42,187 --> 03:36:46,859
that may not end up being school sites in the future.

3173
03:36:46,859 --> 03:36:49,929
Those goals are shared. This ordinance is just not the

3174
03:36:49,929 --> 03:36:53,665
right way to do it as it's drafted now, and the district

3175
03:36:53,665 --> 03:36:57,269
would like to cooperate with the town to find a path forward that

3176
03:36:57,269 --> 03:36:58,604
works for both parties. Thank you .

3177
03:36:58,604 --> 03:37:02,804
>> Thank you, Sarah. Next I have Chris.

3178
03:37:13,819 --> 03:37:16,756
>> Thank you, all, thank you, mayor Gray, thank you council.

3179
03:37:16,756 --> 03:37:20,292
I'm here on behalf of myself and everybody that's hopefully in

3180
03:37:20,292 --> 03:37:23,830
bed by now, all the students out there and future students.

3181
03:37:23,830 --> 03:37:27,366
I'm -- I worked in Castle Rock for 16 years.

3182
03:37:27,366 --> 03:37:32,705
I've lived in the county for 20. My kids go to school here.

3183
03:37:32,705 --> 03:37:35,440
I'm here because I'm a subject matter expert.

3184
03:37:35,440 --> 03:37:39,111
I've worked in the construction management world for 20 years.

3185
03:37:39,111 --> 03:37:40,780
I've developed projects in the town.

3186
03:37:40,780 --> 03:37:43,480
Worked with a number of the folks on staff here.

3187
03:37:43,480 --> 03:37:46,785
I'm also currently working on about five projects throughout

3188
03:37:46,785 --> 03:37:50,923
the state that are all school projects and I could speak --

3189
03:37:50,923 --> 03:37:55,260
I'm here to speak specifically to the durations that I saw and

3190
03:37:55,260 --> 03:37:59,598
read in this ordinance. I believe personally that the

3191
03:37:59,598 --> 03:38:02,801
three years is definitely too short as mentioned.

3192
03:38:02,801 --> 03:38:08,207
I think the counties set some precedent in what they've done

3193
03:38:08,207 --> 03:38:11,277
recently with sterling ranch. We should look at that.

3194
03:38:11,277 --> 03:38:14,813
I think they came into an agreement with a five-year

3195
03:38:14,813 --> 03:38:17,750
duration which is probably more in line, but I agree with the

3196
03:38:17,750 --> 03:38:23,488
speakers ahead of me that we need to collaborate as a team.

3197
03:38:23,488 --> 03:38:26,358
I failed to mention I'm on the long-range planning committee

3198
03:38:26,358 --> 03:38:28,293
which was why this was brought to my attention.

3199
03:38:28,293 --> 03:38:31,496
We actually meet tomorrow night. Encourage anybody to attend.

3200
03:38:31,496 --> 03:38:33,499
It's an open public meeting as well.

3201
03:38:33,499 --> 03:38:38,299
We'd love to talk more about this subject.

3202
03:38:38,970 --> 03:38:41,239
Little past my bed time as well. Sorry.

3203
03:38:41,239 --> 03:38:43,842
I have a couple more things I got to get in.

3204
03:38:43,842 --> 03:38:51,642
One of my biggest concerns as well is that this does not close

3205
03:38:52,584 --> 03:38:56,922
the loophole that to my attention is potentially

3206
03:38:56,922 --> 03:38:59,859
triggering this or potentially factoring into this.

3207
03:38:59,859 --> 03:39:06,459
It was down in crystal valley ranch this property that through

3208
03:39:07,532 --> 03:39:09,267
the development agreement was reverted back to the developer.

3209
03:39:09,267 --> 03:39:13,139
And that was, you know, an agreement that was made by the

3210
03:39:13,139 --> 03:39:16,542
Town of Castle Rock and that developer, not the school

3211
03:39:16,542 --> 03:39:19,345
district. I want to make sure that you

3212
03:39:19,345 --> 03:39:25,283
guys and the town attorney can affirm that this closes that

3213
03:39:25,283 --> 03:39:30,355
loophole and that gap that it's meant to close, I believe.

3214
03:39:30,355 --> 03:39:35,761
I could be wrong but I think that's probably what we need to

3215
03:39:35,761 --> 03:39:41,233
focus on as well is how we prevent the properties being

3216
03:39:41,233 --> 03:39:43,969
reverted back to the developer when the school district deems

3217
03:39:43,969 --> 03:39:49,775
it surplus and unusable. Um, so I'd ask to you table this

3218
03:39:49,775 --> 03:39:55,314
reading and direct your staff to a joint work session with the

3219
03:39:55,314 --> 03:40:03,114
county and the school district and to get that -- make sure the

3220
03:40:03,656 --> 03:40:06,124
[indiscernible] question is on the record before it comes back

3221
03:40:06,124 --> 03:40:07,393
for a vote. That's all I have.

3222
03:40:07,393 --> 03:40:09,793
>> Thank you, Chris. Christa?

3223
03:40:21,207 --> 03:40:23,675
>> I'm Christa. I'm here as a concerned citizen

3224
03:40:23,675 --> 03:40:27,880
recording the land ordinance. My first question is what

3225
03:40:27,880 --> 03:40:31,550
problem are you trying to solve? I can't understand what the

3226
03:40:31,550 --> 03:40:34,219
intended purpose of this ordinance is.

3227
03:40:34,219 --> 03:40:36,421
However it appears the consequence unintended or

3228
03:40:36,421 --> 03:40:40,250
otherwise of this ordinance is that the district can't build a

3229
03:40:40,250 --> 03:40:42,494
new school in Castle Rock again. Is that the purpose?

3230
03:40:42,494 --> 03:40:45,300
Is that the goal? I ran in the campaign advocating

3231
03:40:45,300 --> 03:40:52,230
for the most recent bond for DCSD for the '22, '23, '24

3232
03:40:52,371 --> 03:40:55,441
elections. Yes, it took us three times to

3233
03:40:55,441 --> 03:40:58,644
pass a bond. That was with a clearly defined

3234
03:40:58,644 --> 03:41:01,780
bond plan and clearly defined land areas for the new school.

3235
03:41:01,780 --> 03:41:04,917
I could most certainly tell you they on will not pass another

3236
03:41:04,917 --> 03:41:09,722
bond if they could not produce a dedicated site for the school.

3237
03:41:09,722 --> 03:41:12,591
That's why we say you're basically taking away any effort

3238
03:41:12,591 --> 03:41:20,391
in the future for a new school to be built in Castle Rock.

3239
03:41:20,800 --> 03:41:24,736
Again, not sure if this is the purpose or an unintended

3240
03:41:24,736 --> 03:41:26,739
consequence. I think the decision to build a

3241
03:41:26,739 --> 03:41:29,808
new school should be up to the residents of Castle Rock

3242
03:41:29,808 --> 03:41:33,946
whenever that time comes. I'm a volunteer of the DCSD

3243
03:41:33,946 --> 03:41:35,547
long-range planning committee. In the master capital plan, we

3244
03:41:35,547 --> 03:41:38,684
have four potential new elementary schools needed for

3245
03:41:38,684 --> 03:41:41,353
Castle Rock in the next 10 years.

3246
03:41:41,353 --> 03:41:45,557
Obviously, things could change. I'm not here sitting here

3247
03:41:45,557 --> 03:41:48,627
advocating for new schools at this moment but shouldn't the

3248
03:41:48,627 --> 03:41:50,575
communities have the option to build new schools for their

3249
03:41:50,575 --> 03:41:53,511
community as needed. One of the biggest objections we

3250
03:41:53,511 --> 03:41:56,848
heard during the bond campaign is why don't developers pay to

3251
03:41:56,848 --> 03:41:59,250
build new schools? That's a good question but

3252
03:41:59,250 --> 03:42:01,653
that's not how it's designed here in Colorado.

3253
03:42:01,653 --> 03:42:04,550
What the developers are required to do is provide land or cash in

3254
03:42:04,550 --> 03:42:07,192
lieu. This ordinance appears to be

3255
03:42:07,192 --> 03:42:10,729
circumventing that process and taking what was intended to help

3256
03:42:10,729 --> 03:42:14,398
DCSD with future capital needs and redirecting it as council

3257
03:42:14,398 --> 03:42:16,670
sees fit. I'm not the lawyer.

3258
03:42:16,670 --> 03:42:17,802
I'll let them argue the legality of that.

3259
03:42:17,802 --> 03:42:21,806
At minimum, feels unethical. Again, I ask what problem are

3260
03:42:21,806 --> 03:42:28,406
you trying to solve? On LRPC, we advised the board to

3261
03:42:30,948 --> 03:42:37,548
release several areas of the ranch for the county to develop.

3262
03:42:40,559 --> 03:42:44,496
So I join everyone tonight in asking you please reconsider

3263
03:42:44,496 --> 03:42:47,765
this ordinance and work to find a collaborative solution to

3264
03:42:47,765 --> 03:42:49,340
solve the problem you're looking to solve.

3265
03:42:49,340 --> 03:42:52,340
Thank you. >> Thank you, Christa.

3266
03:43:06,851 --> 03:43:10,655
>> Thank you tonight, city council and Mayor, for your

3267
03:43:10,655 --> 03:43:12,190
time. I'm Rudy.

3268
03:43:12,190 --> 03:43:16,390
I'm a 30-year resident of Highlands ranch.

3269
03:43:16,995 --> 03:43:19,530
I've also been, maybe more importantly, a member of the

3270
03:43:19,530 --> 03:43:22,670
school district's long-range planning committee now for

3271
03:43:22,670 --> 03:43:25,536
almost 23 years. It really puts the "long" into

3272
03:43:25,536 --> 03:43:27,338
my service there, I guess you can say.

3273
03:43:27,338 --> 03:43:32,811
I'm speaking tonight as a private citizen and not as an

3274
03:43:32,811 --> 03:43:35,813
official spokesperson. I do want to add my decades long

3275
03:43:35,813 --> 03:43:41,152
experiences and thoughts about the proposed ordinance which I

3276
03:43:41,152 --> 03:43:44,622
hope you'll table. My concern tonight about the

3277
03:43:44,622 --> 03:43:51,429
ordinance is -- it doesn't work with how we do planning and how

3278
03:43:51,429 --> 03:43:56,829
we look at things. We're all volunteers, by the

3279
03:43:58,703 --> 03:44:01,703
way. We're really focused on

3280
03:44:04,308 --> 03:44:07,378
capacity, buildings and sites. CBS for sure.

3281
03:44:07,378 --> 03:44:13,500
With that, we look at it holistically across the entire

3282
03:44:13,500 --> 03:44:14,519
district. Our district is the size of

3283
03:44:14,519 --> 03:44:15,920
Rhode Island. We have a lot of things to

3284
03:44:15,920 --> 03:44:20,580
consider. Our district is urban as well as

3285
03:44:20,580 --> 03:44:21,326
rural. Hopefully you get the chance to

3286
03:44:21,326 --> 03:44:24,528
get down to the southeast of the county where we have basically a

3287
03:44:24,528 --> 03:44:28,733
one-room schoolhouse compared to the other bigger urban campuses

3288
03:44:28,733 --> 03:44:32,336
we run. The proposed timelines will also

3289
03:44:32,336 --> 03:44:35,936
going to limit future school needs.

3290
03:44:42,120 --> 03:44:44,816
Get up to Lone Tree as soon as and visit the legacy campus.

3291
03:44:44,816 --> 03:44:46,885
What we're doing up there is the future of education.

3292
03:44:46,885 --> 03:44:50,821
You can't really think of education and modern facilities

3293
03:44:50,821 --> 03:44:54,225
anymore in terms of traditional model of elementary schools,

3294
03:44:54,225 --> 03:44:57,962
middle schools and high schools. We've got all kinds of different

3295
03:44:57,962 --> 03:45:02,700
vehicles approaching. In fact,speaking of vehicles, a

3296
03:45:02,700 --> 03:45:06,104
good example is the program up at legacy which is focused on

3297
03:45:06,104 --> 03:45:10,441
turning out 11th and 12th graders that could fix electric

3298
03:45:10,441 --> 03:45:14,245
vehicles. 23 years ago, we had no idea

3299
03:45:14,245 --> 03:45:18,716
we'd need to have a high school program that could teach people

3300
03:45:18,716 --> 03:45:21,919
to fix electric vehicles. We've been adding more trades

3301
03:45:21,919 --> 03:45:24,789
programs as well too for career pathways.

3302
03:45:24,789 --> 03:45:28,192
Recently, we opened up a brand-new center here at the

3303
03:45:28,192 --> 03:45:32,196
Douglas county high school in the south building which focused

3304
03:45:32,196 --> 03:45:36,467
on cosmetology, a program so in demand that for every kid who

3305
03:45:36,467 --> 03:45:39,300
got into that program, we need two or three more seats to

3306
03:45:39,300 --> 03:45:42,674
support that effort. This is an example where we need

3307
03:45:42,674 --> 03:45:45,743
to plan not just for what is happening today but also the

3308
03:45:45,743 --> 03:45:50,415
opportunities of what is going to happen down the road as well.

3309
03:45:50,415 --> 03:45:54,352
If we put this in terms of perspective, I just want to

3310
03:45:54,352 --> 03:45:56,354
mention how it's been going up at sterling ranch.

3311
03:45:56,354 --> 03:45:59,223
As you may know, we're building a new school up at sterling

3312
03:45:59,223 --> 03:46:02,761
ranch. It's the first one that sterling

3313
03:46:02,761 --> 03:46:09,434
ranch will have as part of DCSD. We put in the last steel beam

3314
03:46:09,434 --> 03:46:10,769
last week. It was a lot of fun.

3315
03:46:10,769 --> 03:46:12,369
We signed the beam. They put it up in the building.

3316
03:46:12,369 --> 03:46:17,708
To get to that point, it's taken almost 15 years.

3317
03:46:17,708 --> 03:46:22,513
It took almost 15 years from when we first said, hey, we may

3318
03:46:22,513 --> 03:46:27,519
need a school being built in sterling ranch to when we put

3319
03:46:27,519 --> 03:46:28,786
the last steel beam in last week.

3320
03:46:28,786 --> 03:46:31,322
It's also a new type of school. As mentioned earlier, director

3321
03:46:31,322 --> 03:46:34,459
Tony was talking about going to castleview high school and what

3322
03:46:34,459 --> 03:46:37,662
have you, I was on the committee when we were first planning that

3323
03:46:37,662 --> 03:46:39,998
when it was a blank piece of ground.

3324
03:46:39,998 --> 03:46:42,660
It's humorous for me to have him talk about being one of the

3325
03:46:42,660 --> 03:46:45,403
first students there. Sterling ranch is interesting

3326
03:46:45,403 --> 03:46:50,541
because it's also a brand-new type of school and the last

3327
03:46:50,541 --> 03:46:55,130
school as Tony noted was also built back in 2010, actually not

3328
03:46:55,130 --> 03:46:57,615
far from here. We thought in 2010 that that was

3329
03:46:57,615 --> 03:47:00,818
the most amazing school design you could ever have.

3330
03:47:00,818 --> 03:47:04,880
And today, we're building a new type of school, because things

3331
03:47:04,880 --> 03:47:07,880
have changed. Just like we...

3332
03:47:09,293 --> 03:47:11,229
>> Thank you. >> Thank you for your time

3333
03:47:11,229 --> 03:47:14,829
tonight. It's been a great evening.

3334
03:47:15,166 --> 03:47:20,566
>> If I pass over you, please approach the podium.

3335
03:47:26,444 --> 03:47:28,846
Seeing none, we'll bring it back to town council for discussion

3336
03:47:28,846 --> 03:47:31,246
and possible motion. >> Are.

3337
03:47:32,650 --> 03:47:37,388
>> I move -- I move to approve the ordinance as introduced by

3338
03:47:37,388 --> 03:47:38,722
title. >> Second.

3339
03:47:38,722 --> 03:47:42,193
>> First by council member Dietz and second by council member

3340
03:47:42,193 --> 03:47:44,193
Davis. Further discussion?

3341
03:47:45,863 --> 03:47:48,863
>> No. >> Second by Max Brooks.

3342
03:47:50,468 --> 03:47:55,806
Council member Bracken? >> I think we should hold off.

3343
03:47:55,806 --> 03:48:00,490
I think the new information and the timeline based on the life

3344
03:48:00,490 --> 03:48:05,762
cycle of actually selecting a school is very long.

3345
03:48:05,762 --> 03:48:11,968
I think that the last comments that were made of the whole

3346
03:48:11,968 --> 03:48:17,840
design and the size and the things -- legacy campus is

3347
03:48:17,840 --> 03:48:22,400
amazing! I mean, that doesn't just happen

3348
03:48:24,847 --> 03:48:28,318
in a three-month window or six-month window even so I think

3349
03:48:28,318 --> 03:48:31,855
I've gotten more information tonight than even the last

3350
03:48:31,855 --> 03:48:35,324
meeting so I'm even stronger against moving forward but,

3351
03:48:35,324 --> 03:48:39,662
again, back to my original comments from last meeting, um,

3352
03:48:39,662 --> 03:48:42,598
I'd like to collaborate with the school district better to be

3353
03:48:42,598 --> 03:48:48,700
able to understand what the impacts and I just want one

3354
03:48:48,700 --> 03:48:51,941
point of clarification. The folks that spoke keep

3355
03:48:51,941 --> 03:48:57,341
speaking of the developers. Well, the developers by and

3356
03:48:59,810 --> 03:49:02,218
large don't own the property. It's town owned.

3357
03:49:02,218 --> 03:49:05,621
There's no cash in lieu to be able to shift over to the

3358
03:49:05,621 --> 03:49:09,221
project. Developers by and large don't

3359
03:49:10,493 --> 03:49:12,895
own the land. I just wanted that point of

3360
03:49:12,895 --> 03:49:14,300
clarification. Those are the kind of things

3361
03:49:14,300 --> 03:49:18,434
that I think we need to clarify what we're doing and how we're

3362
03:49:18,434 --> 03:49:20,236
doing it based on what I heard tonight.

3363
03:49:20,236 --> 03:49:25,842
And so I'm going to be a no vote on the proposed motion.

3364
03:49:25,842 --> 03:49:29,450
>> Council member Brooks? >> Mr. mayor, thank you.

3365
03:49:29,450 --> 03:49:31,780
First of all, thanks to everybody for hanging in.

3366
03:49:31,780 --> 03:49:34,917
It's been a long evening. I appreciate you sticking around

3367
03:49:34,917 --> 03:49:40,917
and coming up and giving your opinions and your insight.

3368
03:49:43,525 --> 03:49:49,650
You know this process started some time ago by my

3369
03:49:49,650 --> 03:49:51,800
understanding, a year and a half.

3370
03:49:51,800 --> 03:49:55,738
So there has been opportunity certainly to have discussions.

3371
03:49:55,738 --> 03:49:58,941
There's been opportunity to be able to review these items.

3372
03:49:58,941 --> 03:50:02,411
This is not rushed. And even when it comes to each

3373
03:50:02,411 --> 03:50:07,216
individual public item, I mean, we're not deciding what is

3374
03:50:07,216 --> 03:50:09,151
happening with the sites tonight.

3375
03:50:09,151 --> 03:50:11,887
That will come in the future. Each one of those sites will

3376
03:50:11,887 --> 03:50:17,292
have its own public hearing. I think we just saw tonight that

3377
03:50:17,292 --> 03:50:21,297
even on a notice, if there's a belief that two weeks' notice is

3378
03:50:21,297 --> 03:50:27,360
too short, you know, we just continued an item that was

3379
03:50:27,360 --> 03:50:29,571
originally entitled in 1983. So there are opportunities to

3380
03:50:29,571 --> 03:50:32,575
continue. There are opportunities in each

3381
03:50:32,575 --> 03:50:35,444
one of these discussions to be able to have collaboration, to

3382
03:50:35,444 --> 03:50:38,470
be able to have a robust discussion.

3383
03:50:38,470 --> 03:50:45,454
And quite frankly, I'm a little put off by what I would consider

3384
03:50:45,454 --> 03:50:50,854
to be not just hyperbolic verbiage but wildly hyperbolic

3385
03:50:54,129 --> 03:50:56,199
we're talking about never building another school in

3386
03:50:56,199 --> 03:51:00,136
Castle Rock? That is not what we're

3387
03:51:00,136 --> 03:51:04,336
discussing here. I believe that's unfair saber

3388
03:51:07,760 --> 03:51:11,147
rattling and I reject it. We even at the beginning heard

3389
03:51:11,147 --> 03:51:15,170
our own town manager say we look forward to being able to work

3390
03:51:15,170 --> 03:51:18,954
with the school district in the future on future sites in Castle

3391
03:51:18,954 --> 03:51:22,491
Rock. There will be turrents --

3392
03:51:22,491 --> 03:51:25,627
opportunities in the future to be able to build new schools in

3393
03:51:25,627 --> 03:51:27,629
Castle Rock. Any assertion to the contrary is

3394
03:51:27,629 --> 03:51:31,701
just inaccurate. And then further, you know, any

3395
03:51:31,701 --> 03:51:37,101
sort of assertion that the property that's being designated

3396
03:51:37,840 --> 03:51:39,909
is unsuitable, that's a position that not even the school

3397
03:51:39,909 --> 03:51:45,248
district themselves have taken. That's out of left field.

3398
03:51:45,248 --> 03:51:49,448
So I will be supporting this tonight.

3399
03:51:49,518 --> 03:51:54,990
I understand the difficulties that the school district is in

3400
03:51:54,990 --> 03:52:00,620
beyond just this. And I'm not -- I'm not -- I

3401
03:52:00,620 --> 03:52:06,620
don't have a lack of sympathy for some of that.

3402
03:52:08,337 --> 03:52:12,742
They take on some of the most expensive students, behavioral

3403
03:52:12,742 --> 03:52:15,344
issues, very complex medical needs and they have to serve

3404
03:52:15,344 --> 03:52:19,348
every single kid that walks in the door.

3405
03:52:19,348 --> 03:52:22,685
So I very much appreciate what the school district does,

3406
03:52:22,685 --> 03:52:24,620
however this ordinance to me doesn't compromise your ability

3407
03:52:24,620 --> 03:52:26,890
to do this. I'll be a yes.

3408
03:52:26,890 --> 03:52:28,624
>> Thank you. Any further discussion?

3409
03:52:28,624 --> 03:52:32,824
Mayor Pro Tem Cavey? Followed by Hollingshead.

3410
03:52:37,500 --> 03:52:40,903
>> So I agree a lot with council member Brooks.

3411
03:52:40,903 --> 03:52:45,703
There is no unethical behavior going on here.

3412
03:52:55,118 --> 03:52:59,789
We want to you do something with properties but when properties

3413
03:52:59,789 --> 03:53:02,859
sit around since 1999 and nothing's happened with it and

3414
03:53:02,859 --> 03:53:07,263
we, the town, are responsible for the care of that property at

3415
03:53:07,263 --> 03:53:11,801
taxpayer expense, you know, we need to have a discussion with

3416
03:53:11,801 --> 03:53:18,401
the school district about what is going on with that property.

3417
03:53:41,697 --> 03:53:44,367
We're not trying to take the property from you.

3418
03:53:44,367 --> 03:53:48,905
Yes, it was spearheaded in part by the park issue.

3419
03:53:48,905 --> 03:53:53,108
When the school board put a piece of property on the consent

3420
03:53:53,108 --> 03:53:58,470
calendar and just threw it back over the fence with no

3421
03:53:58,470 --> 03:54:01,651
discussion with the town, with no discussion with the people

3422
03:54:01,651 --> 03:54:08,251
over there, with no with council, and guess who took the

3423
03:54:08,990 --> 03:54:10,669
heat for it? We did.

3424
03:54:10,669 --> 03:54:15,407
We had a room full of people in here that came for us saying

3425
03:54:15,407 --> 03:54:19,780
that we as council had caused this issue.

3426
03:54:19,780 --> 03:54:24,951
And then I want to highlight the fact that somehow in all of this

3427
03:54:24,951 --> 03:54:27,953
the school district managed to get $500,000 from the developers

3428
03:54:27,953 --> 03:54:33,353
on a piece of property that you didn't own.

3429
03:54:34,260 --> 03:54:35,895
So, no. We're not trying to take

3430
03:54:35,895 --> 03:54:40,299
anything from you. We've tried to work with you for

3431
03:54:40,299 --> 03:54:46,899
18 months and now all of a sudden it's a fire drill.

3432
03:54:48,107 --> 03:54:52,111
I think we can still work together.

3433
03:54:52,111 --> 03:54:56,115
Once again, nobody is trying to take property or say that we

3434
03:54:56,115 --> 03:54:58,451
never want another school built in Castle Rock again.

3435
03:54:58,451 --> 03:55:00,653
Thank you. >> Thank you.

3436
03:55:00,653 --> 03:55:04,190
Council member Hollingshead? >> Yeah, I agree.

3437
03:55:04,190 --> 03:55:06,391
The crystal valley property was a bad deal on all ends, all

3438
03:55:06,391 --> 03:55:07,994
people involved. It's the only property like that

3439
03:55:07,994 --> 03:55:10,262
in the county. I hope we're not acting based on

3440
03:55:10,262 --> 03:55:13,733
that event. I think we've gotten the school

3441
03:55:13,733 --> 03:55:16,936
district's attention. I think we've got an ordinance

3442
03:55:16,936 --> 03:55:19,339
that hasn't been out there very long to review.

3443
03:55:19,339 --> 03:55:21,941
And I think this is a great learning experience for all of

3444
03:55:21,941 --> 03:55:26,412
us that maybe we slow down a little bit now and actually sit

3445
03:55:26,412 --> 03:55:28,548
down with both groups and work through that ordinance.

3446
03:55:28,548 --> 03:55:31,350
I think we can vote no on it tonight, bring back a revised

3447
03:55:31,350 --> 03:55:34,420
version of that that is more acceptable and promotes future

3448
03:55:34,420 --> 03:55:40,159
collaboration just by maybe -- speaking of a few things -- I

3449
03:55:40,159 --> 03:55:42,562
feel like we're rushing through this a little bit at this point.

3450
03:55:42,562 --> 03:55:44,363
We talked about it for 18 months.

3451
03:55:44,363 --> 03:55:46,899
Really, we talked about this ordinance in its written form

3452
03:55:46,899 --> 03:55:49,302
now for about a month. I think there's something to be

3453
03:55:49,302 --> 03:55:52,380
said for waiting a few more months and actually sitting down

3454
03:55:52,380 --> 03:55:54,907
at the table and going through some of the things -- we're all

3455
03:55:54,907 --> 03:55:56,642
learning. This school finance stuff is

3456
03:55:56,642 --> 03:55:59,512
super interesting. Our land use stuff is also

3457
03:55:59,512 --> 03:56:01,914
something we all need to learn about so --

3458
03:56:01,914 --> 03:56:04,917
>> Council member Bracken? >> Again, I think the life cycle

3459
03:56:04,917 --> 03:56:11,457
of their process that they have to go onto a ballot, look for a

3460
03:56:11,457 --> 03:56:17,330
bond, um, and basically find the money designated and then fund

3461
03:56:17,330 --> 03:56:23,469
it, like, like, our process, if we're -- if we're requiring them

3462
03:56:23,469 --> 03:56:26,539
to do that in a window that's too short for them to actually

3463
03:56:26,539 --> 03:56:28,341
achieve it, then it's not achievable.

3464
03:56:28,341 --> 03:56:32,145
So that's -- that's my -- that's my major concern is what I heard

3465
03:56:32,145 --> 03:56:37,283
tonight. If it's -- if it can't fit the

3466
03:56:37,283 --> 03:56:40,352
process, then they have to break their process to fit within our

3467
03:56:40,352 --> 03:56:44,890
timeline and then it doesn't happen because they can't

3468
03:56:44,890 --> 03:56:48,360
request the funding until they've identified the site and

3469
03:56:48,360 --> 03:56:53,298
if our timeline is too tight, then it really precludes them

3470
03:56:53,298 --> 03:56:55,702
from building their school. We're in a catch 22 in my

3471
03:56:55,702 --> 03:56:58,971
opinion based on what I heard tonight.

3472
03:56:58,971 --> 03:57:03,242
That's what I think about that. And to Mayor Pro Tem's point, no

3473
03:57:03,242 --> 03:57:07,580
one is trying to -- we -- I know it's not my intent to take the

3474
03:57:07,580 --> 03:57:10,116
land from the school. And I don't think there's -- I

3475
03:57:10,116 --> 03:57:15,516
don't think that there's money from developers available for

3476
03:57:15,521 --> 03:57:19,658
cash in lieu on any of the properties that I'm aware of;

3477
03:57:19,658 --> 03:57:25,597
however, in the good spirit of trying to build schools and

3478
03:57:25,597 --> 03:57:30,603
holding the property in a hole for you guys to file your

3479
03:57:30,603 --> 03:57:32,538
process, I think that's important.

3480
03:57:32,538 --> 03:57:37,143
I think we might be a little -- we might be a little rushed with

3481
03:57:37,143 --> 03:57:40,412
unintended consequences here and so that's where I'm at.

3482
03:57:40,412 --> 03:57:44,120
>> Thank you. Any further comment from

3483
03:57:46,352 --> 03:57:47,620
council? I'll finish up then.

3484
03:57:47,620 --> 03:57:53,159
You know, I -- the timeline is probably my biggest issue.

3485
03:57:53,159 --> 03:57:59,364
I think that from talking to a few members of staff and hearing

3486
03:57:59,364 --> 03:58:05,364
tonight, the three years, 10 years, I -- I think that's

3487
03:58:06,105 --> 03:58:11,505
really, really pushing the limits of the school district.

3488
03:58:11,844 --> 03:58:17,490
You know I -- I would like that -- I would like to see better

3489
03:58:17,490 --> 03:58:20,720
communication. I know that both Douglas county

3490
03:58:20,720 --> 03:58:26,720
school district and town council believes they try to communicate

3491
03:58:27,727 --> 03:58:30,195
and there were times that it feels like either one didn't

3492
03:58:30,195 --> 03:58:33,199
want to communicate a lot. And I know that could be

3493
03:58:33,199 --> 03:58:37,537
disputed both from the Town of Castle Rock and the Douglas

3494
03:58:37,537 --> 03:58:41,407
county school district but I mean I would like to start over

3495
03:58:41,407 --> 03:58:47,346
and I would like to table but if this does pass tonight, I would

3496
03:58:47,346 --> 03:58:52,151
like to -- I would like the town and the school district to talk

3497
03:58:52,151 --> 03:58:56,622
in Ernest to try to figure out some -- talk in earnest to try

3498
03:58:56,622 --> 03:58:57,957
to figure out some of the issues.

3499
03:58:57,957 --> 03:59:03,695
With that, roll call, please. Excuse me, council member Dietz.

3500
03:59:03,695 --> 03:59:04,830
>> I appreciate everyone's comments tonight.

3501
03:59:04,830 --> 03:59:08,367
Thank you. This is an important issue, but,

3502
03:59:08,367 --> 03:59:10,769
again, we have time. We were surprised in crystal

3503
03:59:10,769 --> 03:59:12,972
valley. Seems like you guys are trying

3504
03:59:12,972 --> 03:59:15,975
to buy it to build larger legacy campuses any way.

3505
03:59:15,975 --> 03:59:20,112
How did that pertain to the property here?

3506
03:59:20,112 --> 03:59:22,915
Future Castle Rock Town councils will have every opportunity to

3507
03:59:22,915 --> 03:59:27,453
have citizen input way past us. So I think this is the right

3508
03:59:27,453 --> 03:59:31,524
decision that you have to come back to town council to talk to

3509
03:59:31,524 --> 03:59:32,191
us. Thank you.

3510
03:59:32,191 --> 03:59:35,191
>> Thank you. Any further discussion?

3511
03:59:35,461 --> 03:59:39,640
Roll call vote, please. >> Council member Hollingshead?

3512
03:59:39,640 --> 03:59:40,866
>> No. >> Council member Bracken?

3513
03:59:40,866 --> 03:59:42,868
>> No. >> Council member Davis?

3514
03:59:42,868 --> 03:59:45,204
>> Yes. >> Council member Brooks?

3515
03:59:45,204 --> 03:59:46,872
>> Aye. >> Council member Dietz?

3516
03:59:46,872 --> 03:59:49,274
>> Yes. >> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey?

3517
03:59:49,274 --> 03:59:51,760
>> Yes. >> Mayor Gray?

3518
03:59:51,760 --> 03:59:53,476
>> No. >> Motion passes 4-3.

3519
03:59:53,546 --> 03:59:55,946
>> Thank you. #19, discussion/direction,

3520
04:00:04,956 --> 04:00:08,894
2026-21, revisions on Title IX of the Castle Rock municipal

3521
04:00:08,894 --> 04:00:12,494
code, "public peace, morals and welfare."

3522
04:00:14,433 --> 04:00:16,835
Um, this is just discussion. There's no motion at the end of

3523
04:00:16,835 --> 04:00:18,835
this one. Michael?

3524
04:00:19,572 --> 04:00:20,982
>> Thank you. Thank you, mayor.

3525
04:00:20,982 --> 04:00:23,250
Thank you, members of town council.

3526
04:00:23,250 --> 04:00:25,319
I will try to make this as quick as possible.

3527
04:00:25,319 --> 04:00:30,458
I know we're late. We're looking at Title IX of

3528
04:00:30,458 --> 04:00:35,258
Castle Rock municipal code and related amendments here.

3529
04:00:36,530 --> 04:00:42,337
This is our criminal code. No other way to say it.

3530
04:00:42,337 --> 04:00:47,341
As the governing body of the home municipality, town council

3531
04:00:47,341 --> 04:00:51,412
has the power to do this. Adopt ordinances necessary to

3532
04:00:51,412 --> 04:00:52,947
protect public health, safety, welfare.

3533
04:00:52,947 --> 04:01:00,147
1968 was when the town council I think was Board of Trustees then

3534
04:01:01,288 --> 04:01:07,762
first adopted title 9 to provide a comprehensive set of laws that

3535
04:01:07,762 --> 04:01:10,298
were [indiscernible] criminal court or municipal court.

3536
04:01:10,298 --> 04:01:12,330
A lot of the provisions are still in place.

3537
04:01:12,330 --> 04:01:16,104
We have had 60 years of case law since then.

3538
04:01:16,104 --> 04:01:19,106
We need to address those but haven't.

3539
04:01:19,106 --> 04:01:22,443
So a lot of the code sections are obsolete.

3540
04:01:22,443 --> 04:01:25,712
They require substantial revision to meet constitutional

3541
04:01:25,712 --> 04:01:29,312
standards. So what have we done?

3542
04:01:30,384 --> 04:01:34,121
Seeing volunteers from our own Castle Rock police department

3543
04:01:34,121 --> 04:01:38,793
worked closely with our office, our former police legal adviser

3544
04:01:38,793 --> 04:01:42,393
on an extensive update of Title 9.

3545
04:01:42,730 --> 04:01:49,330
After that point in time, our chief prosecutor, Chris, as had

3546
04:01:49,337 --> 04:01:56,477
the opportunity to weigh in as well as our outside council firm

3547
04:01:56,477 --> 04:02:01,877
of Parker, Wilson and Carberry -- Hoffman Parker, Wilson &

3548
04:02:02,950 --> 04:02:05,860
Carberry. They weighed in and have given

3549
04:02:05,860 --> 04:02:07,488
their thoughts on this ordinance.

3550
04:02:07,488 --> 04:02:11,559
Many thanks to everybody who participated in this effort.

3551
04:02:11,559 --> 04:02:16,297
Direct those thanks to chief Cauley for me.

3552
04:02:16,297 --> 04:02:20,835
No with that, we're ready for your -- now, with that, we're

3553
04:02:20,835 --> 04:02:23,104
ready for your consideration. I'm just going to go through the

3554
04:02:23,104 --> 04:02:26,104
highlights. We've added a chapter 9.01,

3555
04:02:27,975 --> 04:02:31,575
defining terms. Defining culpable mental state

3556
04:02:32,914 --> 04:02:36,784
that at the request of Castle Rock police.

3557
04:02:36,784 --> 04:02:40,855
This section of the code did not have a standardized definition

3558
04:02:40,855 --> 04:02:43,925
section. It will work better with that.

3559
04:02:43,925 --> 04:02:47,929
We have added 9.02 kind of clarification the intent of

3560
04:02:47,929 --> 04:02:53,329
council in adopting this code providing express authority for

3561
04:02:53,401 --> 04:02:57,601
our police department to enforce its provision.

3562
04:02:58,272 --> 04:03:00,672
9.04, offenses against public peace.

3563
04:03:01,943 --> 04:03:06,881
So we've really expanded what these code sections say.

3564
04:03:06,881 --> 04:03:11,886
And these are just typical sections you find in any

3565
04:03:11,886 --> 04:03:15,486
criminal code, trespassing, assault, disorderly conduct,

3566
04:03:15,957 --> 04:03:20,757
theft. Flushing it out so we can have

3567
04:03:21,762 --> 04:03:26,967
an ordinance that actually advises the public of what is

3568
04:03:26,967 --> 04:03:32,367
against the law. So we are also through this

3569
04:03:32,507 --> 04:03:34,975
section protecting our law enforcement officers as well as

3570
04:03:34,975 --> 04:03:40,648
our citizens from those persons that chose to obey the lawful

3571
04:03:40,648 --> 04:03:43,584
orders of a police department, instead seek to disrupt public

3572
04:03:43,584 --> 04:03:47,784
peace. And that the request of our

3573
04:03:48,550 --> 04:03:52,392
school resource officers, we're adding a new offense, unlawful

3574
04:03:52,392 --> 04:03:54,462
interference with an educational institution.

3575
04:03:54,462 --> 04:03:57,398
We need to protect our students, our teachers in the classroom.

3576
04:03:57,398 --> 04:04:01,201
We now have that protection in this code.

3577
04:04:01,201 --> 04:04:05,401
9.08, offenses against property. We're expanding language here.

3578
04:04:09,344 --> 04:04:14,744
For instance, our code prohibits damage to public property.

3579
04:04:16,617 --> 04:04:17,751
Doesn't prohibit damage to private property.

3580
04:04:17,751 --> 04:04:22,890
We fixed that. We added a specific offense that

3581
04:04:22,890 --> 04:04:27,950
prohibits unauthorized connections to the property of a

3582
04:04:27,950 --> 04:04:29,430
utility provider. I think Mr. Marlowe will

3583
04:04:29,430 --> 04:04:31,232
appreciate that. And then we created a new

3584
04:04:31,232 --> 04:04:34,832
section, new chapter 9.09, offenses against the

3585
04:04:34,968 --> 04:04:39,307
administration of government. These are things like false

3586
04:04:39,307 --> 04:04:43,777
reporting of crimes and emergency, interference with our

3587
04:04:43,777 --> 04:04:47,448
public safety personnel. We now address those types of

3588
04:04:47,448 --> 04:04:52,248
violations in a better manner. More thorough manner.

3589
04:04:53,855 --> 04:04:57,455
Chapter 9.10, we discuss complicity, attempt, accessory

3590
04:04:58,659 --> 04:05:04,659
offense, seizure -- these are adjunct offenses to the main

3591
04:05:05,933 --> 04:05:07,802
offense. For example, we have added an

3592
04:05:07,802 --> 04:05:11,739
offense to impose responsibility on parents and Guardians for the

3593
04:05:11,739 --> 04:05:16,770
criminal actions of their minor children and now we require

3594
04:05:16,770 --> 04:05:19,613
parents and Guardians to accompany their minor children

3595
04:05:19,613 --> 04:05:22,483
to municipal court. Critical omissions we're trying

3596
04:05:22,483 --> 04:05:25,483
to fix. 9.16 is noise control.

3597
04:05:25,686 --> 04:05:31,860
We had a case a couple of years ago.

3598
04:05:34,950 --> 04:05:40,568
The town now is bound according to the supreme court decision to

3599
04:05:40,568 --> 04:05:44,304
noise levels that are set by state statutes.

3600
04:05:44,304 --> 04:05:50,304
So we've kind of created that and recognized that decision.

3601
04:05:52,179 --> 04:05:54,514
Unless that's fixed by the legislature, which they chose

3602
04:05:54,514 --> 04:05:58,853
not to do this last year for some odd reason, we're stuck

3603
04:05:58,853 --> 04:06:01,922
with that decision. Couple other things that I would

3604
04:06:01,922 --> 04:06:06,722
highlight, we amended our general penalties section we

3605
04:06:08,262 --> 04:06:13,620
codified the decision in the case of [indiscernible]

3606
04:06:14,468 --> 04:06:16,537
essentially we're ensuring that penalties imposed by the

3607
04:06:16,537 --> 04:06:20,608
municipal court do not exceed maximum penalties imposed by

3608
04:06:20,608 --> 04:06:24,808
state law. But only where the municipal

3609
04:06:25,479 --> 04:06:31,479
ordinance in the state starch -- statutes prohibit the same

3610
04:06:37,766 --> 04:06:39,501
conduct. We wanted to clarify that.

3611
04:06:39,501 --> 04:06:46,642
The penalty has gone up in years in the past to 364 days in jail

3612
04:06:46,642 --> 04:06:53,515
and $2650 in fines we want to catch our code up to those

3613
04:06:53,515 --> 04:06:57,719
levels and also there's been a big gap in our code about

3614
04:06:57,719 --> 04:07:00,119
restitution, about public service.

3615
04:07:01,256 --> 04:07:04,727
We're filling that gap now in a new section that will allow our

3616
04:07:04,727 --> 04:07:10,127
municipal courts for restitution to crime victims and public

3617
04:07:12,000 --> 04:07:15,700
safety agencies and order a person that's convicted of a

3618
04:07:15,700 --> 04:07:18,607
crime to perform public service. Now, we've got a couple of

3619
04:07:18,607 --> 04:07:21,476
requested updates. I put them in separate

3620
04:07:21,476 --> 04:07:24,345
ordinances so that the council will have an opportunity to

3621
04:07:24,345 --> 04:07:29,145
discuss that tonight. I would mention that council

3622
04:07:29,351 --> 04:07:32,951
member Brooks has recommended these sections.

3623
04:07:33,222 --> 04:07:36,240
We have those ordinances in place for you to discuss.

3624
04:07:36,240 --> 04:07:40,895
One is the duty of the corporate energies report theft.

3625
04:07:40,895 --> 04:07:46,895
This is modeled upon the county ordinance that was adopted.

3626
04:07:47,969 --> 04:07:53,708
There's a duty under this ordinance to report theft, law

3627
04:07:53,708 --> 04:07:56,440
enforcement of the corporate retailer within 96 hours of

3628
04:07:56,440 --> 04:07:59,981
becoming aware of that. We're also making it an unlawful

3629
04:07:59,981 --> 04:08:04,520
ordinance for that retailer to retaliate against its employees

3630
04:08:04,520 --> 04:08:10,520
should they make that report. Also, we're looking at creating

3631
04:08:10,993 --> 04:08:13,194
products. We've had a lot of development

3632
04:08:13,194 --> 04:08:17,994
since 2019 when the former town council essentially prohibited

3633
04:08:19,334 --> 04:08:25,334
sales to minors. We have a proposal to propose a

3634
04:08:26,475 --> 04:08:28,210
blanket prohibition on the retail sales.

3635
04:08:28,210 --> 04:08:32,130
I think we're acknowledging that ordinance more recent

3636
04:08:32,130 --> 04:08:34,160
information from medical providers and federal agencies

3637
04:08:34,160 --> 04:08:38,816
that indicate that kratom products create serious health

3638
04:08:41,357 --> 04:08:42,824
and safety risks and risks for addiction.

3639
04:08:42,824 --> 04:08:46,628
We've go that. I think our town manager has

3640
04:08:46,628 --> 04:08:53,828
requested we also take a look at fireworks sales during a stage 1

3641
04:08:56,105 --> 04:09:03,305
fire warning or restriction. So we're -- so that may not end

3642
04:09:03,912 --> 04:09:08,850
up in Title 9. It's in both Title 9 and Title 8

3643
04:09:08,850 --> 04:09:12,187
in the fireworks section but the proposal would be to ban those

3644
04:09:12,187 --> 04:09:15,787
sales in both stage 1 and stage 2.

3645
04:09:16,580 --> 04:09:21,463
With that, I think we could recommend that the town council

3646
04:09:21,463 --> 04:09:25,867
move forward with the adoption of this comprehensive update.

3647
04:09:25,867 --> 04:09:29,872
One thing I would note is that one of the more recent sections

3648
04:09:29,872 --> 04:09:32,872
that we amended was chapter 9.06.

3649
04:09:33,409 --> 04:09:35,543
We're actually not touching that.

3650
04:09:35,543 --> 04:09:38,347
We may move the definitions into the general definition section

3651
04:09:38,347 --> 04:09:42,170
but we're good there. So we're taking a look at the

3652
04:09:42,170 --> 04:09:48,690
older sections, the ones that were done when I was seven and

3653
04:09:48,690 --> 04:09:55,890
that's a long, long time ago. So if town council agrees, we'd

3654
04:09:56,899 --> 04:10:01,699
like to bring forward the Title 9 comprehensive ordinance

3655
04:10:02,304 --> 04:10:06,174
and whatever else you decide to bring forward at the upcoming

3656
04:10:06,174 --> 04:10:08,376
meeting on September 15th so turn to you for questions and

3657
04:10:08,376 --> 04:10:10,912
comments. >> No, I appreciate it, Michael.

3658
04:10:10,912 --> 04:10:14,716
Since it's not going to a vote, we could give our opinions and

3659
04:10:14,716 --> 04:10:18,253
questions right now. Mayor Pro Tem Cavey followed by

3660
04:10:18,253 --> 04:10:20,922
council member brooks. >> Could you go to the slide

3661
04:10:20,922 --> 04:10:24,522
that talks about retail theft? >> Yes.

3662
04:10:26,528 --> 04:10:30,933
>> So I have a concern here. I understand what we're trying

3663
04:10:30,933 --> 04:10:36,605
to get at, because some of these retailers kind of throw up their

3664
04:10:36,605 --> 04:10:40,675
hands with theft and just sort of let it happen.

3665
04:10:40,675 --> 04:10:47,716
But I also know -- and I trust our police -- and I know they

3666
04:10:47,716 --> 04:10:51,953
have good relationships in town with our retailers.

3667
04:10:51,953 --> 04:10:56,491
What I don't want to do is hurt the relationship between our

3668
04:10:56,491 --> 04:11:01,291
police officers and the retailers by requiring, you

3669
04:11:03,665 --> 04:11:10,265
know, the retailers to have to do something within 96 hours and

3670
04:11:10,572 --> 04:11:14,772
put them at odds with our police.

3671
04:11:14,876 --> 04:11:19,280
So that's -- that's just my overarching concern on this.

3672
04:11:19,280 --> 04:11:24,419
I understand what we're trying to get at but I also don't want

3673
04:11:24,419 --> 04:11:26,154
to put the police in the position where they're the bad

3674
04:11:26,154 --> 04:11:28,890
guys with our corporate retailers.

3675
04:11:28,890 --> 04:11:31,890
Just my comment. >> Thank you.

3676
04:11:33,428 --> 04:11:36,264
Max Brooks? >> Mr. Mayor, I have a question,

3677
04:11:36,264 --> 04:11:38,233
Mr. Hyman, whether this comes back to council -- when this

3678
04:11:38,233 --> 04:11:41,536
comes back to council, will we have the opportunity at that

3679
04:11:41,536 --> 04:11:44,472
time to vote individually on the things we want to have included

3680
04:11:44,472 --> 04:11:47,843
or do we need to separate that if we have a loss of appetite

3681
04:11:47,843 --> 04:11:51,980
about any particular item that we need to get that sorted out

3682
04:11:51,980 --> 04:11:56,118
now so that way when this comes forward, you just get a "yes"

3683
04:11:56,118 --> 04:11:57,886
vote on what we kind of agreed on.

3684
04:11:57,886 --> 04:12:01,723
>> I would say that what I'm looking for here is just some

3685
04:12:01,723 --> 04:12:03,892
direction from the council, not how you want to do this.

3686
04:12:03,892 --> 04:12:10,492
So if there's a consensus to say include the additional code

3687
04:12:10,632 --> 04:12:14,302
updates in the body of the Title 9 ordinance, we're happy

3688
04:12:14,302 --> 04:12:18,940
to do that. Right now, I think we wanted to

3689
04:12:18,940 --> 04:12:24,713
originally focus on the code and the update we worked on hard on

3690
04:12:24,713 --> 04:12:27,215
as a group. That's why I split out the

3691
04:12:27,215 --> 04:12:30,815
ordinances. So council will have the

3692
04:12:31,486 --> 04:12:35,924
opportunity to at least discuss that tonight and give us

3693
04:12:35,924 --> 04:12:39,600
direction to either take one ordinance, two ordinances, three

3694
04:12:39,600 --> 04:12:42,660
ordinances, perhaps four with the fireworks.

3695
04:12:45,370 --> 04:12:51,943
It probably would make sense to take -- I would just say the

3696
04:12:51,943 --> 04:12:56,143
corporate reporting ordinance, kratom ordinance and fireworks

3697
04:12:56,348 --> 04:12:59,948
ordinance separately, because there's not necessarily

3698
04:12:59,984 --> 04:13:04,289
consensus on that. If that's council's wish, we're

3699
04:13:04,289 --> 04:13:06,825
happy to do that. >> I think that makes a lot of

3700
04:13:06,825 --> 04:13:10,290
sense, because I could see there's going to be some various

3701
04:13:10,290 --> 04:13:12,640
discussion about that and various opinions on each of

3702
04:13:12,640 --> 04:13:17,670
those so I think having that discussion as part of the vote

3703
04:13:17,670 --> 04:13:20,773
and speaking about those individually -- I'm not a fan of

3704
04:13:20,773 --> 04:13:23,642
the fireworks piece. So we can have discussions at

3705
04:13:23,642 --> 04:13:26,440
that time I think probably makes a lot of sense.

3706
04:13:26,440 --> 04:13:31,116
>> And I would just add, too, that if council would like town

3707
04:13:31,116 --> 04:13:36,988
staff to do so, manager's office and so forth to do some outreach

3708
04:13:36,988 --> 04:13:43,588
so -- outreach on some of these additional updates, that's also

3709
04:13:45,960 --> 04:13:46,364
an option. Happy to do whatever you direct

3710
04:13:46,364 --> 04:13:48,633
us to do. >> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey.

3711
04:13:48,633 --> 04:13:54,633
>> When you say additional outreach, would that be to --

3712
04:13:55,673 --> 04:13:59,911
like, the example I use is I don't want to put our police in

3713
04:13:59,911 --> 04:14:03,511
a bad position with our retailers?

3714
04:14:04,750 --> 04:14:08,253
Are we reaching out to the retailers for their opinions or

3715
04:14:08,253 --> 04:14:12,825
the police chief and their command for their opinion?

3716
04:14:12,825 --> 04:14:17,996
Who are we reaching out to? >> Mayor Pro Tem, I would

3717
04:14:17,996 --> 04:14:21,600
suggest both. I don't know -- we've got -- for

3718
04:14:21,600 --> 04:14:23,735
some reason, Pete and I are still here.

3719
04:14:23,735 --> 04:14:26,135
We've got 3,500 business licenses.

3720
04:14:31,410 --> 04:14:33,912
I don't know we would do that, all of them.

3721
04:14:33,912 --> 04:14:37,716
But I mean we -- I think we can find some way to let the

3722
04:14:37,716 --> 04:14:41,353
business community know the outlets and other places that

3723
04:14:41,353 --> 04:14:44,857
will have that level of impact. And obviously hear it from other

3724
04:14:44,857 --> 04:14:47,926
staff. There are -- I know there's one

3725
04:14:47,926 --> 04:14:52,264
kratom retailer. I noticed because I did a Jersey

3726
04:14:52,264 --> 04:14:56,168
Mike's run and there was the place right next to it that said

3727
04:14:56,168 --> 04:14:59,238
kr atom. That reminds me we're going to

3728
04:14:59,238 --> 04:15:01,373
talk about that. I know there's at least one

3729
04:15:01,373 --> 04:15:02,374
retailer. I don't know.

3730
04:15:02,374 --> 04:15:05,143
We may be able to find others quickly.

3731
04:15:05,143 --> 04:15:07,779
Let them know, hey, we're about ready to ban that.

3732
04:15:07,779 --> 04:15:10,982
That's probably good to do some level of outreach.

3733
04:15:10,982 --> 04:15:15,787
I would recommend that. We haven't built that into this.

3734
04:15:15,787 --> 04:15:21,960
You look at other stuff Mike has been working for on this

3735
04:15:21,960 --> 04:15:23,461
ordinance. I don't think there's other ways

3736
04:15:23,461 --> 04:15:25,898
to do outreach on some of the other topics we've got out

3737
04:15:25,898 --> 04:15:27,499
there. Those are at least two

3738
04:15:27,499 --> 04:15:29,367
suggestions I would have if that's something that you would

3739
04:15:29,367 --> 04:15:31,636
want to do. They're the ones that will be

3740
04:15:31,636 --> 04:15:34,440
impacted about this. Same thing on the fireworks

3741
04:15:34,440 --> 04:15:37,420
sale. We know who has been pulling

3742
04:15:37,420 --> 04:15:38,577
those permits. We can let them know.

3743
04:15:38,577 --> 04:15:44,616
They came last time and the last time we considered doing that,

3744
04:15:44,616 --> 04:15:50,616
the council voted against that. It's a different council now.

3745
04:15:54,993 --> 04:15:57,950
Different experience. If you all still feel the same

3746
04:15:57,950 --> 04:16:04,295
way, you can give us direction. >> We're ready to go with the

3747
04:16:06,738 --> 04:16:08,873
ordinance. We plan on the next meeting,

3748
04:16:08,873 --> 04:16:12,473
we'll start the outreach starting tomorrow.

3749
04:16:12,544 --> 04:16:15,414
Some means of communicating that to some people.

3750
04:16:15,414 --> 04:16:17,649
>> OK. I mean, I think it'd be good to

3751
04:16:17,649 --> 04:16:21,353
get a good cross-section of retail businesses, small, medium

3752
04:16:21,353 --> 04:16:22,887
and large. That kind of thing.

3753
04:16:22,887 --> 04:16:25,887
>> Downtown merchant association, chamber of

3754
04:16:28,260 --> 04:16:30,428
commerce. We regularly talk to the

3755
04:16:30,428 --> 04:16:32,697
management at the outlets for example, because there's a lot

3756
04:16:32,697 --> 04:16:34,766
of things going on there as well.

3757
04:16:34,766 --> 04:16:37,668
Those kinds of things. But I wouldn't do it to all

3758
04:16:37,668 --> 04:16:40,680
3,500. It'd be too confusing.

3759
04:16:41,339 --> 04:16:42,774
>> I get that. Yeah.

3760
04:16:42,774 --> 04:16:44,609
>> There's a way to get that out.

3761
04:16:44,609 --> 04:16:47,278
The kratom stuff, there's a way to find out.

3762
04:16:47,278 --> 04:16:51,282
The fireworks stuff, we have licenses for who provided those

3763
04:16:51,282 --> 04:16:52,550
sales last year and the last couple of years.

3764
04:16:52,550 --> 04:16:56,822
I think we can get that out. Relatively quickly and just

3765
04:16:56,822 --> 04:17:01,426
let 'em know, this issue is going to be considered at the

3766
04:17:01,426 --> 04:17:03,600
next council meeting. >> Thank you.

3767
04:17:03,600 --> 04:17:08,400
Any further questions or ideas? Seeing none, I do not have

3768
04:17:08,400 --> 04:17:11,369
anybody that signed up to speak. If anyone wishes to speak,

3769
04:17:11,369 --> 04:17:14,940
please approach the podium. Go up to the microphone and say

3770
04:17:14,940 --> 04:17:18,900
if you're a resident, nonresident or business owner,

3771
04:17:18,900 --> 04:17:22,581
you have 4 minutes to speak. Seeing none, we'll move onto #20

3772
04:17:22,581 --> 04:17:26,181
on the agenda. Resolution Approving a

3773
04:17:29,530 --> 04:17:30,422
Professional Services Agreement Between the Town of Castle Rock

3774
04:17:30,422 --> 04:17:31,823
and Felsburg Holt & Ullevig, Inc., for a United States

3775
04:17:31,823 --> 04:17:35,960
Highway 85 & Colorado Highway 86 Traffic and Safety Plan

3776
04:17:35,960 --> 04:17:38,296
>> Thank you, mayor. Good evening, council.

3777
04:17:38,296 --> 04:17:41,900
This is the last item. I'll try to be as brief as

3778
04:17:41,900 --> 04:17:44,436
possible. This is an important project.

3779
04:17:44,436 --> 04:17:50,420
This is to kick off the evaluation of safety and

3780
04:17:50,420 --> 04:17:56,642
operation study of portions of Us-85 and highway 6 as shown on

3781
04:18:00,285 --> 04:18:05,850
the map. This is a portion of our

3782
04:18:15,100 --> 04:18:19,900
transition master plan that recommended a more detailed

3783
04:18:20,205 --> 04:18:22,874
evaluation of one of the more busier corridors within the town

3784
04:18:22,874 --> 04:18:25,744
limits. As such, the community has

3785
04:18:25,744 --> 04:18:30,682
provided indication to us on what elements are really valued

3786
04:18:30,682 --> 04:18:33,218
by them and what they protect from the transportation system.

3787
04:18:33,218 --> 04:18:37,655
We keep that in mind when we're assessing these important

3788
04:18:37,655 --> 04:18:41,593
issues. We've done that in this case.

3789
04:18:41,593 --> 04:18:45,530
Essentially, we're trying to look at opportunities to improve

3790
04:18:45,530 --> 04:18:48,666
safety, reliability and decrease the amount of down time

3791
04:18:48,666 --> 04:18:55,266
associated with travel on US-85. The overall goal will be to

3792
04:18:57,644 --> 04:19:02,490
develop projects that will address those issues that we

3793
04:19:02,490 --> 04:19:06,153
will also prioritize against the balance of projects we

3794
04:19:06,153 --> 04:19:09,753
identified in the transportation master plan.

3795
04:19:10,256 --> 04:19:17,456
As part of the five-year CIP, we have a placeholder for the

3796
04:19:17,997 --> 04:19:21,597
projects. >> Just quickly as we're going

3797
04:19:30,343 --> 04:19:35,143
through our long-range capital budget for transportation, we're

3798
04:19:37,684 --> 04:19:38,686
challenged by a couple of things.

3799
04:19:38,686 --> 04:19:41,955
We want to get the results of this study.

3800
04:19:41,955 --> 04:19:44,825
Very important to see if there's going to be new capital projects

3801
04:19:44,825 --> 04:19:48,228
in this area but we're also challenged by the fact with

3802
04:19:48,228 --> 04:19:53,267
growth slow down, we have a slow down in our impact revenues that

3803
04:19:53,267 --> 04:19:56,203
go into the transportation capital fund.

3804
04:19:56,203 --> 04:20:00,307
We're not -- the projects are increasingly expensive.

3805
04:20:00,307 --> 04:20:04,178
We're not sure exactly how we're going to be able to get at some

3806
04:20:04,178 --> 04:20:06,113
of the projects here in the next five years but we do want to

3807
04:20:06,113 --> 04:20:07,614
provide that capacity in this area.

3808
04:20:07,614 --> 04:20:10,918
>> That's right, so we'll be continuing those discussions on

3809
04:20:10,918 --> 04:20:16,223
priorities if council wants to implement it with every annual

3810
04:20:16,223 --> 04:20:20,493
budget and development and adjustment to the five-year CIP.

3811
04:20:20,493 --> 04:20:23,330
We did receive a decent amount of proposals with this because

3812
04:20:23,330 --> 04:20:27,667
this is a system that's owned and operated by the state.

3813
04:20:27,667 --> 04:20:33,670
We're required to utilize their procurement process that doesn't

3814
04:20:33,607 --> 04:20:36,743
necessarily look at low bids. It looks at different criteria

3815
04:20:36,743 --> 04:20:43,617
as outlined on the screen. FHU rose to the top as being the

3816
04:20:43,617 --> 04:20:46,860
most qualified to being able to move forward with this scope of

3817
04:20:46,860 --> 04:20:48,989
work. We do have an allocated budget

3818
04:20:48,989 --> 04:20:52,726
this year of $750,000. The contract would be for just

3819
04:20:52,726 --> 04:20:55,963
under $700,000. We're asking for the balance of

3820
04:20:55,963 --> 04:21:00,163
the budget to be utilized for contingency.

3821
04:21:00,500 --> 04:21:05,390
This is a high level overview of the overall project schedule.

3822
04:21:05,390 --> 04:21:09,376
We anticipate it'll be close to a year to complete the

3823
04:21:09,376 --> 04:21:12,179
evaluation. We'll have a final draft report

3824
04:21:12,179 --> 04:21:16,979
ready for approval by Fall of next year.

3825
04:21:18,685 --> 04:21:22,622
We just took this to the commission last night.

3826
04:21:22,622 --> 04:21:25,525
They unanimously recommend that town council approve the

3827
04:21:25,525 --> 04:21:29,125
contract with Felsburg, Holt and Ullevig.

3828
04:21:31,598 --> 04:21:36,998
Happy to answer any questions. >> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey?

3829
04:21:37,237 --> 04:21:41,541
>> I'm sorry, it's late. What does c-dot have to do with

3830
04:21:41,541 --> 04:21:42,810
this? >> It's their road.

3831
04:21:42,810 --> 04:21:44,812
It's their road. >> Oh, OK.

3832
04:21:44,812 --> 04:21:46,112
Sorry. I'm tired.

3833
04:21:46,112 --> 04:21:50,912
I'm tired. Um, I'm not going to start.

3834
04:21:54,530 --> 04:21:58,253
>> We understand. >> Any other questions for Dan

3835
04:21:58,325 --> 04:22:00,726
or our staff? Council member Hollingshead?

3836
04:22:00,726 --> 04:22:03,463
>> Last night at public works, I think they asked a good question

3837
04:22:03,463 --> 04:22:06,700
about how they look at the next 20 years of growth, not just in

3838
04:22:06,700 --> 04:22:09,969
Douglas county but in Albert county and that's a connector.

3839
04:22:09,969 --> 04:22:13,506
Can you speak to how important this road is to that?

3840
04:22:13,506 --> 04:22:15,608
>> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, because this is a

3841
04:22:15,608 --> 04:22:20,580
regional infrastructure that's owned by the state, it's much

3842
04:22:20,580 --> 04:22:27,180
broader than in the town and what is taken into consideration

3843
04:22:27,954 --> 04:22:33,126
is we've master planned all the projects that accommodate full

3844
04:22:33,126 --> 04:22:39,126
growth of the town. C-dot also looked at with this

3845
04:22:40,233 --> 04:22:44,237
corridor t needs to serve the -- it needs to serve the growing

3846
04:22:44,237 --> 04:22:45,638
region beyond us. As part of this effort, there'll

3847
04:22:45,638 --> 04:22:51,110
be a regional model update that essentially takes all of the

3848
04:22:51,110 --> 04:22:52,846
surrounding growth of region into consideration as part of

3849
04:22:52,846 --> 04:22:57,217
the evaluation to make sure we're trying to account for what

3850
04:22:57,217 --> 04:22:59,180
that growth might be looking like in the corridor area.

3851
04:22:59,180 --> 04:23:01,822
I think that's what you're referring to, council member

3852
04:23:01,822 --> 04:23:05,958
Hollingshead, as far as the discussion last night.

3853
04:23:05,958 --> 04:23:09,229
It's a good reminder we're just looking -- we're not just

3854
04:23:09,229 --> 04:23:13,800
looking at the boundaries of Castle Rock but the overall

3855
04:23:13,800 --> 04:23:16,200
regional aspects. >> Thank you.

3856
04:23:18,404 --> 04:23:23,804
Any further discussion? No one is assigned to speak.

3857
04:23:25,110 --> 04:23:30,917
If anyone wants to speak, go to the podium and speak into the

3858
04:23:30,917 --> 04:23:32,986
microphone. You have four minutes to speak.

3859
04:23:32,986 --> 04:23:37,723
Seeing none, we bring it to town council for a possible motion

3860
04:23:37,723 --> 04:23:39,793
and/or discussion? >> Motion to approve.

3861
04:23:39,793 --> 04:23:41,895
>> Second. >> First by council member

3862
04:23:41,895 --> 04:23:44,431
Brooks, second by Mayor Pro Tem Cavey.

3863
04:23:44,431 --> 04:23:47,431
Any discussion? Roll call vote.

3864
04:23:49,200 --> 04:23:51,402
>> Council member Hollingshead? >> Yes.

3865
04:23:51,538 --> 04:23:53,938
>> Council member Bracken? >> Yes.

3866
04:23:55,750 --> 04:23:57,475
>> Council member Davis? >> Yes.

3867
04:23:57,577 --> 04:23:59,977
>> Council member Brooks? >> Yes.

3868
04:24:02,649 --> 04:24:05,490
>> Council member Dietz. >> Yes.

3869
04:24:10,423 --> 04:24:13,423
>> Mayor Pro Tem Cavey? >> Yes.

3870
04:24:14,527 --> 04:24:16,927
>> Council member gray? >> Yes.

3871
04:24:18,631 --> 04:24:21,631
>> Motion passes uManessly -- unanimously.

3872
04:24:22,869 --> 04:24:24,471
>> Thank you everybody for all of your hard work.

3873
04:24:24,471 --> 04:24:28,710
Have a good night. We're adjourned.