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Recording in progress.

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Okay. So sit here, you're still waiting for people, right? Okay, so we're going to talk about the lighting a little bit later at the conclusion of the regular meetings. And we don't have.

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So we're going to go through the approval of the reports and resolutions, and then we should hit the work sessions pretty fast.

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I did ask Ward to please see if he could get on. I asked him to come to the meeting, but Jen is very sick with COVID.

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And so he didn't I told him it maybe wasn't appropriate to show up here and he's gonna see if he can

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Hopefully, he'll get on

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There's somebody waiting in the waiting room and that's Ward, Hanover

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So hey Ward I

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So Ward we're gonna go through a couple of things and then we'll go into the work session and we'll start with the flooding stuff, okay?

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We can talk to someone

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board. Can you hear us? He can unmute himself. You got it. You're good.

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You can stay muted.

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We're not going to. Okay. Okay. So the approval of the reports, the highway department

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report, these are also for September 2020-23, the planning board financial report, the police

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department monthly report, the receiver of taxes, monthly reporting, including any tax refunds,

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recreation department, monthly reports, supervisor, monthly report, town clerk,

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work month of report, and he changes addition deletions.

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Nope.

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Okay, well accept them as delivered then, thank you very much.

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The, the town board, excuse me, the general bills, the town bills.

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And I think everybody saw the package that Maria put together.

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Yep.

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Was all the town bills totaling $246,660 and 72 cents?

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As listed on abstract number 10, claim 646 through 17,

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the order approved, the order paid, and I'll make that motion.

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Second.

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I vote aye.

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The highway bills, the highway bills totaling $41,11.99 is listed on abstract number 10.

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It claims 298 through 324 of the ordered and approved order paid and I'll make that motion.

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Second.

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All in favor.

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Hi.

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I vote aye.

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Also.

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Next one is the point of member to the architecture review board and we interviewed March last weekend.

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She seems to be an absolutely wonderful candidate.

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I don't think anybody has any questions or I know there's no concern.

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So I'll make the motion, we got a second.

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Result for the town board here by appoints Marjorie Sobellack to the ARB with the term to expire April 14, 2025.

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And I'll make the motion and you can.

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And I will second it.

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And then we're good to go.

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All in favor.

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Hi.

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And I vote.

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Congratulations to Marjorie.

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Thank you.

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Marjorie.

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Absolutely.

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It's great.

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It always impressed me.

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Thank you very much.

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Every time I talk to people in town that volunteer for things, I'm always overly impressed

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with their skills.

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People have it.

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Really is impressive.

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She's one of them too.

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The CAC, Pam Pouley, we're going to just acknowledge her resignation from the CAC Martin.

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I don't know if you want to say anything.

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Yeah.

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Well, Pam has been a long-term member of CAC, very helpful, very knowledgeable.

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eligible. She is the chair of the trustees of open land and there's only so much time

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a person has so we thank Pam. We're happy that we have great candidates coming through

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for CAC and I hope anyone who's listening in tonight and may be interested puts in a request

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It tries to be considered the more of the barrier.

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So, yeah, thank you, Pam.

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Okay, so it was out of the town board here by acknowledges

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the resignation of Pam Pooley from the CAC for a term,

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for the term ending October 31st, 2023,

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and I'll make the motion.

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Second.

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All in favor, I'm sorry.

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Hi.

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You're not good, thanks so much.

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Thank you, Pam.

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Number five is to authorize the supervisors,

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signed a agreement with Civic Plus.

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Plus this is the company that does our website stuff, they host it and everything and their

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software is what runs it.

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And it's $2,700 a year to have it there.

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It was $2,350 and they did up it and we argued for quite some time but at this point it's

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going to be $2,700.

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Resolved at the town board here by authorizes a supervisor to sign a agreement with Civic

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Plus LLC for an annual reoccurring website services that are cost of $2,700 put the attached

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That's quote 35081-1.

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I'll make the motion.

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Do I have a second?

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Second.

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Oh, my favorite.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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I'm sorry?

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Yeah, somebody in the waiting room.

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Oh, thank you.

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Chris Brockmeyer.

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Of course.

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Well, it's a name there.

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Hello.

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OK.

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There he is.

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The next one is police computers for the cars.

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We have exactly 25,000 in this year's budget.

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and Tom was showing me a couple of the ones he wanted.

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I went back to logically and I said these seem to be more

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appropriate, a little bit faster and there's a couple of

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things that were just in their cheaper.

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So instead of getting three, we will be able to get four.

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And so Warren, I just should add this strength

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that everyone's resolved.

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I called up Tom just to make sure that I went tech

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with troubleshooting any pickups from the installation

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and is a long history of dealing with them,

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very satisfactory, and they've done that in the past,

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so gave me a lot of confidence in hiring them.

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And the ones that we have right now,

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I think they're nine years old.

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They're running Windows 7,

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and we've kept them because the New York State police software

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runs on Windows 7.

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And I think they're finally getting around upgrading it,

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but at any rate, those machines are in the life

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in the very slow, so these are a bit fast,

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so they're I7 processors.

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And these are tough books so they can go in a car and they can go over bad roads and you can drop them and spill stuff on them.

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And they apparently worked for a long time because we've had them for nine years.

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So let's hope these last at least that long.

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Resolved the town board hereby authorizes a supervisor signed a agreement with Island Tech ITS for purchase and installation of four

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or amounted Panasonic Toughbook 55 laptops

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with the North Sound Police Department.

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This includes the laptops, some of the software

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and the new mounting supports in the cars.

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A $24,561 for the attached quote dated September 26th, 2023.

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I don't make that motion.

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Second.

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All in favor.

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Hi.

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We have a tax refund and there are two here.

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One is a $2 refund, which we

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just read and resolve the time board.

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The thereby authorizes the following tax refunds from September 23rd and September 2023

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tax collection.

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And that's a Lake Thorn, a Lake Horthorn Homeowners Association at $344, $354 an AX road

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for $2.

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The overpayment and the amount of $2 should be paid directly to Lake Horthorn Homeowners Association

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P.O. Box 124 Perties, and the other is for Roman and Angela Titla, and that's a double

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payment of their school tax for a refund of $3,985.79. The double payment refund in the

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out of 3985.79 should be made payable to CoreLogic centralized refunds P09202

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Copal Copal. Texas 75019 reference summa federal CU, Lender 888126 in

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contract 031-63728 on the check. And I'll make that motion just with a quick

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comment usually what happens is somebody pays the bill and the mortgage

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company decides they're going to pay it to so we can't keep both. We've tried the past but it

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doesn't work. They come after it generally. So I'll make the motion as it's written. Second.

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All in favor. Hi. And I vote aye. The next one is just a simple transfer from the deputy town clerk

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to the town clerk contractual excuse me from the town clerk contractual to the deputy clerk line

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because the deputy town clerk got a I got a step raise in was it September 1st or October 1st?

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So this is resolved the town board here by authorizing the following budget transfer from account a 1-4-104

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Town clerk contractual from $250 to a 1-4-1012 deputy clerk for $250 and I'll make that motion.

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Second.

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On favor.

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Hi.

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I already ordered these. Hopefully you'll allow me to pay them.

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I guess we had a little bit of an issue there with a couple.

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but this is a, these are meters for the water systems as they break an age.

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We, we were down to three and we had a couple of broke ones that they had to replace.

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So I ordered them and they showed up immediately which was kind of surprising.

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Last time it took us four months to get them.

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These are for 18 new meters and it's 4,658 dollars and 15 cents.

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and these are ones you read electronically.

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Resolved the town board here by approved the payment

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in the amount of $4,658 and $15 cents

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for the purchase of 18 water meters

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for the attached invoice number 118-6219

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from Ferguson Waterwork status at 10th of 29th, 2023.

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This we charge to people like sewer district 813-0.43

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and we'll be distributed and build as needed.

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So I'll make the motion again with just a comment

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just so everybody's aware.

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The meters come in rather than buying one for here

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and two for there they go to the peeps like sewer district and then we just

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build them back. They end up getting paid by whatever water district and that's

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something I'm following up on all that now because we've probably gone through

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about 18 or 20 of them. So I'll make the motion is written. Second, my

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favorite. Hi. Hi. And I wrote I. And the next one we agreed to the contract and we're

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just approving a payment and it came a little bit late so we're adding it on here

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and it's 5,400 for night securities.

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It's the balance of the installment

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for the camera security system

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at the Northam Community Center.

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So this is resolved at the town board here

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by approved the payment in the amount of 5,400.

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Tonight security systems for the balance

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of the installment costs of the camera security system

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for Northam Community Center at three-hones road

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for invoice 107-324-dated, May 5th, 2023.

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And again, that was, as I said, already approved

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So, I'll make that motion had written.

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Second.

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All in favor.

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I vote there.

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Okay.

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So, we have a number of things on the work session here,

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and I guess, Ward, can you hear me okay?

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I hear you.

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Okay, we can hear you, too.

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I know there's a bunch of people here today,

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and I think we'll talk about,

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we want to talk about the flooding first.

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Is that okay?

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Are you here for a water?

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Who's here for something other than just the water problem?

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Well then we'll talk about the flooding first.

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So I don't know if anybody wants to start talking.

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I had a, I think between the end of August and last weekend,

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it's been pretty crazy.

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I think a lot of us have had some issues.

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In fact, I've probably had about 20 or 30 calls

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into parts of town.

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Wardenite, I've been talking on a pretty regular basis.

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I even have problems over in Lewisboro that are coming

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in the North Salem, and I've been talking to the supervisor down there on those things.

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And I quoted some of the stuff that I got in emails to everybody here.

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So we have a bunch of different issues around town.

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And then we have some people here that want to probably talk about some specific stuff.

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Or I don't know if you want to say anything specifically about drainage.

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Oh, by the way, let me just one quick thing.

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One of the things we did do a couple, I did about three or four weeks ago because we're

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working on the resiliency plan, or we need to do that, they're asking all

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municipalities to put together a resiliency plan that says, you know, we need

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generators, we need to fix drainage systems, we need, and so I'd ask Ward, very

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before I realize everybody was going to be calling me up with the last couple

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rains, but it said you need to start writing all this stuff down so we can

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actually put it back into the capital budget because some of these things they

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work well for a number of years, and this year with all the water that we've had, it's

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just running off and causing problems with people's homes and stuff. I have the same

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problem, I think I said maybe one or two of you, the pictures of my house and my front

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lawn. But, anyway, over at Peach Lake, and we've been working on that, by the way, Tony

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Hay, agreed last week to, I met him on Wednesday, he's going to dig the pipe up on Cobb Road

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and put a bigger pipe in because I've had this flooded over there in Peach Commons.

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the sales are actually in the lake.

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The sales of all the superliver of the town.

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Tony's a supervisor on Southeast.

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And I did use the word sue of well sued as you know,

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and I did that for a reason.

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Not to be nasty.

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I mean, Tony and I get along well,

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but he called me up and gets well.

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You use that word to screw the DC permits.

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I'm just going to do it.

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So he's that's that's going to go in.

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Well, they're starting today.

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I think it started today.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and then there's a new bridge going in next year, so this is just temporary

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But they're dropping the pipe a little bit and they're basically doubling the the capacity of the water outflow

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So there's just I have issues all over the place in fact, they're also starting the

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To remove the weeds this week. They had a hundred and fifty thousand dollar grant

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So we just did killer hills. I had a problem over there. We finished sunset a couple years ago both of those two drainage systems cost us

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Well, they cost not necessarily us because we got grants

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they cost over a million dollars and in awards been dealing with a lot of road issues and stuff with

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dirt roads filling up catch basins and clogging things and so I asked them to put a resiliency plan

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in place and there's just a lot of this in town right now so I'll just kind of turn it over to you

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I don't know how long you can stay with it.

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I'll stick around for a minute. It's just been an, you know, a crazy amount of rain this last month. And I think that all together has really caused the biggest part of the issues.

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Most of our drains is designed to handle an inch and a half of rain storm on average. When we started getting two to three inches of rain, four inches, five inches, we just can't handle it. And stuff starts to get, you know, washed where it's not supposed to be.

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So I don't know if this is going to be the new norm.

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If it is, then we need to start thinking about, you know,

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putting a lot of money into different drains,

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more engineering into it to find a better way to do it.

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And we have a few suggestions I do.

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Some of our biggest problems are the hills under dirt roads

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have really just been really bad the last month.

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So we try putting some millings down, ground up black top, helped a little bit, but I think a couple of these hills we're going to have to really seriously start thinking about black top and parts of them or, you know, hills, you know, they have a certain steepness to at least, or we're, you know, we're never going to gain any ground with it.

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So

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that's about all I guess is there a way to pack down the the dirt any better, you know, no, no, don't we hold so long when the water starts to run, it takes everything with it.

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You know, and we don't have as much problems with, you know, things being washed out on blacktop roads because the water runs on the blacktop, it doesn't take it with it.

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So do you find that the water, the way water runs on millings which are, I think, a pretty

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good solution or is something comparable to running on black cow?

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It's better than running on dirt or item 4, yes, but it's still not, you know, not the same

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as black cow.

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Right.

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Yeah, not perfect.

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But, you know, it will help.

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Yeah.

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You know, we're washing thousands of yards of material, down pipes, industries, and ponds,

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and lakes, and reservoirs. I mean, it's just, we just can't keep doing it. It's, uh, you know,

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it's crazy. We got, we have to do something different.

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I,

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I, I just hope that, uh, I hope there were extremely selective about what we're talking about.

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Well, I think, I think what it's, I think Peter is going to take a group of people to get together

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and, you know, let's pick the worst parts and start there.

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I mean, I'm not saying let's black top,

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let your roads in any way shape or form.

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I'm just saying that we need to do something

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on these hills that, you know, they're just not staying there.

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And, you know, we've been doing this for years.

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And, you know, the pond at the bottom of the hilltop is completely filled in.

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There's ponds everywhere that are completely filled in with our dirt roads.

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Basically, you see what they look like. I mean, you see the ditches on the sides of the

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roads. Every ditch that's not there, any road that's not there is in the river or somewhere.

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So I mean, at some point, we have to do something that we have to be selective at all.

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Oh yeah, no, I totally agree that we have to be selective. I mean, absolutely. And we don't

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I don't have to do any more than what we need to go either.

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I understand.

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I do like the idea of getting an engineer to just take a look at it

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before we put the black top down,

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if that's where we're going with this.

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We need to figure out how to stop,

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but the water on the road on the ground goes over to the sides,

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but then it eats the entire side of the road out.

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I know.

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There are things like, you know,

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there's metal things that hold the big rocks.

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I mean, I just wonder if we've got something to look at.

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The problem with things that you put in like that pattern is once the dirt washes up against them they've lost their value now because you have to take them all out to clean all the dirt back out of them.

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I mean years ago we tried just black top of the gutters on the dirt roads.

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I mean this is years and years ago and they worked great until you had a big rain and then the gutter stayed in the took out the middle of the road because it's going to wash whatever it can.

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So, I mean, we've tried a lot of different things, you know, we've put a lot of drainage in on the dirt roads.

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It's just when you get those storms like we've been having.

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And right now, the ground is so saturated that every bit of rain defaults and those fields up on top of Bales Lane end up down the roads.

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I mean, the fields are not taking any water right now.

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So I'm trying to get as much open right now before we get another two inches this weekend because we're going to be having the same problem again.

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I'm calling it groundhog stay over and over again for me lately.

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So yeah, I mean it's word you raised the right point. I mean like how do we figure out what's going to happen if we're going to you were you were on

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Well, so the other day for the call on Saturday and a road was liquefied. It wasn't like a drainage thing was just in the middle of the road and that that's not a sustainable.

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Well, what was really interesting is that small section of Norton, you know,

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Vail and, you know, Norton, where it comes up to 116, you know, that goes over the bridge

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there.

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Yeah.

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If you go down that road on your left hand side, I mean, I think the trench that the runner

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off created is probably close to three feet.

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Yeah, deeper than that. And in Header, we've already put that road back together three times this fall, this summer, this, that's the four time that Dan has gone down.

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Are there any, just before we leave dirt roads, are there any towns? I mean, Bedford, I know has some. He may have already paved their steep parts. I don't know.

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So he said, yeah, a lot of their hills did get black top.

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So, and I know Louis Pearl has gotten rid of just about every

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good road they have.

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I think they have two left.

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They're black top tomorrow.

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So, you know, we have, we have a lot of great roads that we

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can leave.

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We don't have like, you know, the top of the lane is perfectly fine.

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Baxter, 90% of it, 99% of Baxter is perfectly fine.

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You know, with the problem there by Gil Schott's house and, you know, that to me that hill should be blacktopped.

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I mean, the damage, you know, we're doing down onto the neighbor down there at all the post offices.

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You know, we've cleaned his driveway out four times already, and it needs it again now.

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So, every time it rains it ends up in his front parking lot there.

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So, I'll try to get together and look at it.

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You have to hit mute,

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you're on mute, you have to stop the speaker.

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It's going to be a lot of fun.

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Function F, something on top.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Warren.

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So we talked a little bit about the dirt roads.

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I think probably what we should do

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is just talk about some individual stuff.

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I know we have, we've purchased along

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with the Openland Foundation, you know,

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I think it's that yours, Brian.

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You're on Perst Street, right?

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Yeah.

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So we've purchased 65 acres up on the top of the hill there.

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Perth is preserved.

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I could get the exact name even.

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Perth's age?

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Perth is rich, yeah.

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And that has a stream coming kind of dry stream.

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It's usually dried, but not this year, and that comes down

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behind. I think it's behind your ass and Brian's ass. There's a

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few people on the first street that on the upside of the

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first street. I don't even know what had it. I don't even know

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how to start there, but I know that's a problem at times. And

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I know maybe you just want to talk about it now on what you're

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seeing. Brent does it on occasion. Do you have to use the

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microphone?

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My name is Brian Mann, I'm a resident on First Street in Perthies.

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I just want to thank Mr. Lucas.

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He responded to my email on a Sunday.

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So I guess he's a giant fan probably not watching them either.

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So I've been a resident, I'm under dead and I'm last house.

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I've been there for 22 years now.

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I've been dealing with my house is right at the bottom of the hill on the preserve there.

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So I've been dealing with run-off and I've had series of drains and ditches and I've taken care of myself

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I go out on the street. I got to clean out the along the road every year sort of water can

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drain away from my house

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But over the last three years now the last three thores

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There's a significant amount of run-off for probably four to six weeks after the thore between

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Which my house and my next door neighbor coming the thore so the spring thore so the spring thore

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The water that's coming finally coming off the hill dry and out dry from the snow and we didn't have snow last year

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And we still had it. It's never happened in all the years. I've been there. It's the last three years

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So my neighbor and I were talking about it and it it runs for several weeks with no rain

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And we've had a lot of rain recently, but in the past when there was no rain

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It's still it still would run now in the last two years

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Whatever wherever the water was channeling along the top

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probably going past my house. It's now starting to cut paths through the

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homes down the block. So unfortunately Brent's home is one of those his driveway

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keeps getting washed out. I took video of the rain this I know the amount of

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rain that we just got recently was substantial but the amount of water which

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never we've had a lot of rain over 22 years we've had some some storms come

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through. The amount of rain the amount of water coming through each of amazingly

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they didn't get into the homes, it was between each series of homes, there was five homes,

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there was five rivers between each of the homes coming out onto the street and for the

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first time I've ever seen it, the water was coming across the street, missing the storm

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drain, the storm drains are on the east side of the street, there's only one on the west

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side, one drainage. The water was coming across onto the properties now that are on the west

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side of the street. So the issue of the concern I have is there's houses on the west side, houses on the east side. The water's coming.

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Yes.

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Okay. Yeah. So the east side is your house on the uphill side.

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I'm like right at the end. So I'm.

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But the uphill side is the uphill side would be the east side correct. So the issue that the concern I have is the water's coming down.

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Everyone has septic systems.

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the amount of water that's coming down, forget about it could flood a basement easily,

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but if it starts to flood out septics, and then that washes out to the west side of the street,

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and you have that water running into the resident's lawn, which could potentially get down to

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their well system, or flood out there septic, and then behind those homes going down to 684,

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you have the state watershed land, which abuts the property there as well. And this last time,

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And now there's been a, it was a decent amount of runoff.

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The hill next to Brent's house started to wash out.

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So it's the last several times.

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We had to have debris on the roadway.

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It's obviously going to be getting to winter soon.

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It's going to get chilly.

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And that's going to freeze over.

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And we kind of had an issue to last year with the water sits

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on the road, just because the storm drains can't.

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They're not handling it.

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It's just the volume of water is just too great.

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So the real issues is concern is that the septics, we may start

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to get flooding, flood out some of these septics, and then we may have a bit of a hazardous

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condition on the roadway if we get. And I know we had a lot of rain, but prior to this

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rain, we've had, it's starting to happen more frequently prior to the specific rain. So,

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however the warders decided to move up on the hill, it's now moving at a extremely fast pace and

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it's starting to hit like five homes or six homes on that side of the street. It just opened up.

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I'm sure you've got over the years of all the trees coming down with trees falling the woods all or you're long you hear them fall so

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I don't know how that's going to be you know addressed by the town but it's obviously an issue.

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Well can I ask you a question on that property which we both own open land foundation? Is the town away to go on and move dirt around and stuff?

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I mean it's,

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well we paid 90% they paid 10%, we paid 10% over here there.

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They paid for the conservation.

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Okay, so with the conservationism and on it can we go on and do anything on the property?

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Dig and move things.

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A drainage proposition.

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Yeah, approximately, what's the distance of behind the houses that are on your street?

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I mean, if the, yeah, is it half a mile long?

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No, so I would say from this recent rain from my house to maybe 900 feet, a thousand

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feet from my house down the block, it is.

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And are most of the how close are the backs of the houses to the, to the, to the ridge?

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They're old.

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They're right.

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But like the ridge comes down onto my property, and all the homes, there's not much property.

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I mean, there can't be more than 100 feet if that from the homes to the ridge.

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So, there's nothing mitigating the water coming down, there's nothing there to stop it.

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Unless each individual person puts their own drainage system.

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But if everybody puts their own and it's not either done properly or it spills out.

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Now, where is it going to, they would all need to run off right into the storm drain. Otherwise, you have the same issue, which all that order is going to put

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a drainage trench to the back of all houses on that road. I mean, I don't know if that's reasonable, but I don't know what they have in their backyard. But something to catch the water off and then disperse it in a reasonable larger way. Well, like I said on that side.

456
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:39,280
side of the street, you actually have the storm drain running along that side of the street,

457
00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:43,140
which was obviously designed to catch water from the hill before we'd go over the roadway.

458
00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:47,840
So any type of drainage that would be done behind the homes could theoretically be channeled

459
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,180
into the storm drain between the home, you know, if you had a series of them,

460
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,240
between that, that's what I was thinking.

461
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,260
Something of that effect.

462
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,340
And then the homes on the opposite side of the street wouldn't be affected by it.

463
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,380
The water would already be caught and run off.

464
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,500
So there's somebody dug something, I'm not sure who.

465
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:24,820
One of my neighbors went up there in the summer and you could see that it looks like

466
00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:28,520
at one point it was dug out to catch the water.

467
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,760
or like I said, probably ran to my property

468
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,780
where it's supposed to run past it.

469
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,540
But I think it came to it because I've walked it

470
00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:38,520
before the neighbors, I don't know what to do.

471
00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:39,260
The Bernalinos.

472
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,740
Passed them.

473
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,640
I'm down and it kind of, I thought it was up

474
00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:45,500
toward Titicus River Road in that direction.

475
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:46,480
I didn't go very far.

476
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:46,780
Yeah.

477
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:47,740
I think it was.

478
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:48,340
It's filled in though.

479
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:50,480
Now over the years, over all the rust,

480
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,400
it's not maintained so correct.

481
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,460
You know, it's not maintained, you know.

482
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,580
It's like some, why aren't I, I think,

483
00:31:56,580 --> 00:32:03,320
I think I looked this up for you and Ward years ago, oh sorry, Drew, I think everything's

484
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,220
in place legally for the town to maintain that, but it should be revisited because I think

485
00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:09,640
it was done as part of the subdivision.

486
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:18,460
There's also not this last storm, but the Friday before.

487
00:32:20,060 --> 00:32:25,560
There was water coming off, Perdy's ridge down Old Schoolhouse, and also the homes that

488
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:31,960
are on mills. So you have homes on mills going up the hill, over where, you know, Devamore

489
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,220
is and those homes there, where the water is coming off the ridge and going through the

490
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:42,360
properties and hitting mills road. And I know that there's a couple of folks here that

491
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:49,480
live on mills road that probably want to speak to that. But the water that runs in that

492
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:55,340
direction that crosses mills affects the houses, of course, on the other side of the

493
00:32:55,340 --> 00:33:02,320
Street, you know. I don't know if you are opposite opposite the cost was right. Yeah,

494
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:09,100
worry. Do you want it? You have to get on the speaker microphone. Unfortunately do this.

495
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:16,780
Hi, Maureen Ekman. I'm at six mils road, which is almost at the bottom by first street.

496
00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:23,180
But really what I wanted to say tonight is that the stormwater drainage system that was

497
00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:32,780
built in 1900 by a New York city has expired its life expectancy.

498
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:36,660
That's when it was installed.

499
00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:44,540
I've talked to word about it. We're not quite sure what's under the road, what it's capturing,

500
00:33:45,260 --> 00:33:53,040
what's failing, and I think we need as a town, you know, your properties or other

501
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,160
people's properties even up Mills Road and Cotswell, because I know Cotswells a

502
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,980
couple years ago the water coming off of their property had to be

503
00:34:02,980 --> 00:34:08,880
coverted underneath and gone on to the DEP property because there was so much

504
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,340
water coming off of it. So I think we need to look at it as a whole system.

505
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,960
And I'm just here tonight to see if we can get a commitment from the town board.

506
00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:19,940
Thanks for having.

507
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:21,220
You know.

508
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,380
Yeah, I'll tell you the problem that I see is at some point in time we can't ring the

509
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:30,200
entire 65 acres with dorm water basins and stuff.

510
00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:31,540
Oh, I'm not looking for that.

511
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,740
I'm looking for looking at the storm order system.

512
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:36,140
That's existing.

513
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Now, see, board, maybe you want to comment, but I thought he said the cement and everything

514
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:41,840
had to come out.

515
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:49,100
And I don't think. No, no, she's talking about underneath all of our drainers, New York City installed

516
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:56,880
drainage when they did the dam. And there's a couple big, a couple of big. That was one call,

517
00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:03,800
like a beehive brick structure in the center of the road that ends up taking all that water down

518
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:11,620
towards Titicus River. So we've never really had much to do with that. The surface water that we

519
00:35:11,620 --> 00:35:18,300
We use this conveyed through pipes and a lot of it runs on top of the concrete gutters that are there now.

520
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,520
That's what our drain system consists of.

521
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:28,360
But there is drains under that New York City put in, I don't know, 1913.

522
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,700
I looked it up tonight and it showed that the towns of Bedford, Louisboro,

523
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:40,580
town had to give up certain streets and New York City would come in and build new streets

524
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,300
and the stormwater distrangers as well.

525
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:53,680
But in the last couple of months, that system that's on Mills Road is failing and the water

526
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,660
would have such velocity that it's starting to erode the roadway because it's hitting the

527
00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:03,800
road at a right hand, you know, it doesn't, you can't turn it.

528
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,720
It's hitting the road and it's eroding certain spots.

529
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,040
There's a coming out from a perpendicular road.

530
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:14,920
Yeah, it's coming down to the schoolhouse and it's coming from the top of Mill's Road.

531
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,940
Would you accept that stuff to be still and usable safe if we cleaned it out,

532
00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:20,860
whatever's down there?

533
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,420
It's eroding the road.

534
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:25,080
No, I know. I'm talking about the stuff that New York City put in.

535
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,960
I've never even seen it.

536
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,800
Okay, so I'd be out there, we're looking there.

537
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,440
I'm sorry,

538
00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:38,590
could you say so? I didn't hear you, Ward.

539
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:43,650
No, I said, I've never looked down into the stuff that was underneath down there.

540
00:36:44,610 --> 00:36:51,350
I did notice I spoke to Maureen the other day and I did go down and there are two pipes that come down

541
00:36:51,350 --> 00:36:57,730
schoolhouse. There's an old clay tile that goes up towards Debbie Moore's house. I don't know where

542
00:36:57,730 --> 00:37:04,050
that goes. That's like a 12-inch pipe but that must have been run in completely full during the storm.

543
00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:10,590
because where that hit the gutter, it did erode some of the blacktop in the gutter

544
00:37:10,590 --> 00:37:15,830
that we, you know, we can put that back together, fill it back in and re-blacktop it.

545
00:37:16,290 --> 00:37:19,410
But I don't know, I don't even know where that plate comes from.

546
00:37:19,590 --> 00:37:24,230
That comes from up in the woods behind their houses on that side towards Cotswall.

547
00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:27,750
Well, there has to be some documents or something that lays some of the stuff out.

548
00:37:28,290 --> 00:37:31,670
And I've been here, you know, almost 30 years with town,

549
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:38,530
And I never knew that place was there until the other day when that storm all of a sudden got uncovered or opened up

550
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:40,610
But I never noticed that place before

551
00:37:41,110 --> 00:37:46,730
There's another black place that we have coming down schoolhouse. It dumps in there that I knew was in there, but

552
00:37:47,770 --> 00:37:49,050
so yeah, I mean

553
00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:52,450
There's a tunnel we have to do to figure it out

554
00:37:52,450 --> 00:38:00,730
Yeah, I think you're gonna have to have an engineer come in and try and assess how much water do we have coming off and

555
00:38:01,690 --> 00:38:08,670
I mean, like you say, how is it, first of all, is it the talent's responsibility to take

556
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:14,450
all the water, it comes off the piece of property up there? I mean, I guess in the end it's

557
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:19,250
going to be on the town, but we're not going to be able to handle 65 acres worth of stuff.

558
00:38:20,110 --> 00:38:24,550
Yeah, I just want to say that's going to be a system that's going to be crazy to do.

559
00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:30,070
So I don't know what the best answer with that is. So I

560
00:38:33,460 --> 00:38:34,980
don't know how you fix that.

561
00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:36,520
that. Um,

562
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,300
fix what? Fixed an amount of water that's coming off that property up there.

563
00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:48,520
I mean, we can obviously deal with, you start including firewalls and everything else

564
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:55,600
it gets unmanageable. Yeah. But what would we have to do to fix mills near Marines and

565
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,820
And is it Kathy?

566
00:38:58,300 --> 00:38:58,960
Is it Kathy?

567
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:59,820
Kathy.

568
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:01,720
And Kathy's house.

569
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:08,620
You know, other than ripen the street up and redesigned in the drainage system and

570
00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:10,660
put, you know, more catch faces, more pipe.

571
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:17,950
Is there a possibility any place of going straight down the Tittings River Road on a T?

572
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:19,290
Is there any way we might...

573
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:21,890
You have to go through the properties.

574
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:23,090
I understand that.

575
00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:29,200
Who is they?

576
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,180
other

577
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,480
up

578
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,940
in

579
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,120
schoolhouse on schoolhouse room.

580
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,960
Well they're probably

581
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,680
cargated steel or I mean the whatever it is the metal pipe of clay pipes in the

582
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,380
town put them in. No I think that it was done by a fire at home or it was up on

583
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:22,920
in house, the only number of property that also was my property. Because I can't be

584
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,960
good for your house if there's still water in those pipes. I mean, it obviously, if they're

585
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,100
collapsed, it's just going to sit there and go into the ground around.

586
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,300
Well, yeah, I mean, part of it is just getting it, again, we'll get an engineer or somebody,

587
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,280
but I think getting it off of the road instead of having it, we as a long downhill, slew

588
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,720
ways are really were to have there.

589
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:57,850
And we don't know what someone's going to try to say,

590
00:40:58,030 --> 00:41:00,310
and they need to get somebody to look at.

591
00:41:00,870 --> 00:41:01,990
It's actually a solution.

592
00:41:04,290 --> 00:41:06,790
Now do you know what do you have that tells you all

593
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:08,810
of that stuff's there to you of any dark and face?

594
00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:11,110
I have three. Many of you have been out.

595
00:41:11,530 --> 00:41:13,270
You really didn't have anything.

596
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:18,350
a lot of them were done on a private home.

597
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:19,530
Oh, okay.

598
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:20,690
That's different.

599
00:41:21,590 --> 00:41:28,170
The other is the street was done by New York City along with a pipe that goes down

600
00:41:28,170 --> 00:41:36,490
to first street and middle and makes a right-hand turn down to the end of the street.

601
00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:40,650
It's kind of hard for that to not be like that.

602
00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:46,070
Yeah. You got to get it down to the river soon or the way that's where it's going to end up.

603
00:41:46,070 --> 00:41:51,350
Yeah, I'm just saying, we don't know if it's a lot of the war that came in now.

604
00:41:51,730 --> 00:42:00,170
I think the last thing, and I see things up on the surface that's left, if it's one of those.

605
00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:02,290
Yeah, I don't know.

606
00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:21,450
So we have kind of, besides first and mills, what do we get over and purge?

607
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:23,030
School house?

608
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:26,010
Okay, well, it's going to get out of bounds real fast.

609
00:42:26,530 --> 00:42:27,410
Well, that's the three.

610
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:32,770
I think, do you think if affects any other streets and parties?

611
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:48,320
Well, you know, a lot of people have water in their basement and stuff, so it's been an

612
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,120
unusual storm.

613
00:42:49,780 --> 00:42:53,840
At some point in time, you want to commit, but at some point in time, you know, to get

614
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,880
an engineer to study everything, to have made money, right?

615
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,020
Right, at some point in time it gets out of it gets.

616
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,630
I think there's one thing to feel like any of you

617
00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:08,530
who's done to improve that form order of systems,

618
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:11,370
and what do you do here at the audition?

619
00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:14,790
Ward, you can comment, you were talking to me the other day about it.

620
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:19,810
But what's that about what you wanted to do on that roadway?

621
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,400
On which side?

622
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,080
On Mills.

623
00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:29,940
I said you have to take the concrete out and

624
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:35,060
put catch basins in pipe and then you know a black top it back and put curves down the road

625
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:40,240
but the residents there I know they like their concrete that they have there the concrete

626
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:46,860
look in front of their houses and you know that unfortunately if we go to do something there that's

627
00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:53,780
not going to it's not going to stay we're going to have to change all that you know if you want to

628
00:43:53,780 --> 00:43:57,600
make it better that's what we have to do we have to get rid of the old stuff and put something new

629
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:05,120
down on on both sides because right now the way the road is designed is most of the stuff on the

630
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:10,060
uphill side is supposed to take the water and when you have storms like we've been having and you

631
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:14,820
get the water coming down the schoolhouse and everything the last couple of times it jumped over

632
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:20,980
our drainage on the uphill side went across the road and now it's in-gating the drainage on

633
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:26,280
this lower side which is only designed just to take the water coming down the road not any extra water

634
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,220
And now you have all this extra water coming down and it's going down through everybody's

635
00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:31,520
driveways and into their houses.

636
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,720
I mean, so the drainage on the downhill side needs to be improved also.

637
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:43,520
If you're going to go do this and look into the future, then that's what needs to be done.

638
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,700
But like I said, I'm not an engineer.

639
00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:49,300
You know, I can build things, but I don't design things.

640
00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:50,940
That's someone else's job.

641
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:55,420
So I can make suggestions, but to me, that's what it's going to take.

642
00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:59,960
It's going to take an engineer to come in here and say, the system is...

643
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,420
Okay, it's going to work, we could do this, we could do that, we're going to come in and we're going to say we've got to start from scratch and redo the whole tent. And then, you know, you're talking a lot of money. So the collection day, it's all going to be money at the end of the day. That's what's going to control it. The collection side is on the south side, which is towards schoolhouse. Yeah. And it has been overflowing on our side.

644
00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:38,000
because I don't know, 15 years ago, actually Bowie had to come out and build a curve on my side

645
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:45,420
because the water jumped over the swell and wiped out everything that was there. Next door

646
00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:51,440
Ed who had been there for a hundred years, he built his own curb. Kathy doesn't have a curb.

647
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,960
I actually did away with the steps to my house because I had to build up the front elevation.

648
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:06,880
So it used to be just a little overflow on our side, and the collection was on the south side, but now you're right.

649
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:12,660
It needs to have either catch basins with some tank, but it needs to be designed.

650
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:22,820
I don't care if the concrete goes away, but I don't want just lactop slacked in there, because we lose volume, and then we'll have more of a problem.

651
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:27,180
What do you mean you lose volume what volume if you put black top on top of the

652
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:32,820
soil and you put two inches of black top now you have less volume of that

653
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:37,720
you have in the soil more of a better cement has to come out yeah that's you've

654
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:40,160
got to put drainage and you're going to do anything different there has to be

655
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,220
designed a curb it has to be you know it's not a small curb you know it has to be

656
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:49,240
designed thank you very much for your time everybody so

657
00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:54,570
you know obviously we

658
00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:59,190
of a town engineer. They're actually very good with store water. I mean, the first step

659
00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:02,330
is to ask them to take a look at it. And then we'll have to figure out what a budget is.

660
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,760
Yeah, it's going to be a hundred and something on grand elitist.

661
00:47:18,910 --> 00:47:20,230
Okay, well, we'll see what we got.

662
00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:24,790
What else to

663
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:33,990
study it? It's going to cost, I mean, to study

664
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:38,470
all these aspects of design, anything, it's going to cost over a hundred grand problem.

665
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:46,970
that's my guess and I mean yeah at hundreds of dollars and at many multiple hundred

666
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:52,550
dollars an hour just goes fast but you know so there are some things that I

667
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:56,230
think we're responsible to deal with and water on the road is one of them there's

668
00:47:56,230 --> 00:48:00,630
other things that we have to figure out what we I don't want to be in a

669
00:48:00,630 --> 00:48:08,450
situation where I'm addressing every piece of water coming over 65 acres I don't

670
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:12,010
you'd have to tell me whether or even live or stuff like that.

671
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:15,610
Natural drainage is not responsible for it.

672
00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:19,710
But once you channel it, you better do a good job.

673
00:48:20,130 --> 00:48:20,930
Yep, yep.

674
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:24,230
Yes, my concern is we're setting ourselves.

675
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:28,370
The next group that comes up with the cops walls

676
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:29,310
and they want this done.

677
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:32,510
At some point in time, the answer is going to be no.

678
00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:34,850
And I don't want to be in that situation either.

679
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:46,290
That doesn't make any difference. The only time it makes a difference is if there's

680
00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:52,390
a lot of silt in the water, and they can get phosphorus mitigation. So if you had a

681
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:58,370
lot of stuff coming down, you know, like our dirt roads, types of things, where just soil

682
00:48:58,370 --> 00:49:02,310
and everything is dumping down into the wetlands, then the east of Hudson watershed

683
00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:07,790
I'm the treasure of that organization, so they will spend money to fix certain things.

684
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:16,750
So Sunset Ridge, Sunset Ridge, Sunset Drive and Ridgeway in that area down there, the

685
00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:24,510
drains from my top of the hill, right, from a 32 Sunset drive went down the hill and

686
00:49:24,510 --> 00:49:27,530
went all the way under a pipe, under 684 out into the reservoir.

687
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:33,790
and that washed the gully and that was, you know, you could drive across it. I mean, it was a pretty good gully.

688
00:49:34,530 --> 00:49:42,430
And so because there was so much stuff going down there, so much silt things which has phosphorus in it which causes algae,

689
00:49:42,550 --> 00:49:47,990
blooms and stuff, they spent, I'm guessing around four, five hundred thousand in there fixing that.

690
00:49:48,510 --> 00:49:53,390
They just finished killer hills. We had another drain coming off the hilltop of the town put in.

691
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:56,730
And it was fine for a while until it finally digs in one spot.

692
00:49:57,430 --> 00:50:01,650
And it took, if you fell into that, if you walked across that and fell in, you would die.

693
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:03,470
Yeah, you're not getting out.

694
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:07,030
Yeah, probably 25 deep of the rocks at the bottom, the whole way down the hill.

695
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:13,030
They just fixed that for us for, the work was a half a million, and they did engineering

696
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:13,750
on that also.

697
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:20,230
And that's because they got, on that particular one, the number they got was 32 kilograms,

698
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:26,950
So about 66, 68, 9 pounds, somewhere 70 pounds of phosphorus mitigation, that's how much

699
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:28,910
phosphorus the engineers estimated went in.

700
00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:34,230
The DEC has to approve that, but that's what they got out of that, and that's worth

701
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:35,030
something to them.

702
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:38,450
So they will do that type of work, and we're funded by the DEC.

703
00:50:39,310 --> 00:50:44,350
So those two I've been involved with in getting them to look at that, I've had them down

704
00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:49,250
of various circles because we have problems on Nash Road, tons of silk dumping into Lake

705
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:53,530
candle with there, but that's not one they're terribly excited about. It doesn't

706
00:50:53,530 --> 00:50:58,190
have enough phosphorus going in. So if there's a lot of silt and wash out and

707
00:50:58,190 --> 00:51:00,970
stuff, yes, they would get involved. Otherwise, it's going to come down to the town

708
00:51:00,970 --> 00:51:06,510
spending money. And the problem with getting it off of regular property, like my

709
00:51:06,510 --> 00:51:12,130
house, I wanted to tell you, there's a drain that comes down on the one

710
00:51:12,130 --> 00:51:16,970
16 and it clogs all the time and everything ends up running down the road into

711
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:23,870
my property. And my problem was a lake about what they have deep and I've spent

712
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:30,290
probably $60,000 people in water out of my basement over the years and in less

713
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:34,810
storm that you know it's dry now because I've just I've gone crazy. So I have

714
00:51:34,810 --> 00:51:38,650
well there's a lot of people that have problems with water as I said I have houses

715
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:42,830
sitting their sills are sitting in water over in peach co-op and stuff and I

716
00:51:42,830 --> 00:51:46,950
it's that's a different situation because the water never goes away and

717
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:48,170
and listen to drains out of the lake.

718
00:51:48,810 --> 00:51:49,830
And we're trying to work on that.

719
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:51,970
So there's, I've had calls.

720
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:55,190
I was down in, I was talking to,

721
00:51:55,330 --> 00:51:58,090
I think I mentioned Tony Gonzalez because of wild oaks

722
00:51:58,090 --> 00:52:00,670
in the loose broad, dumps right on the Nash Road.

723
00:52:01,410 --> 00:52:04,850
Up 45 acres, it goes into one of our catch basins

724
00:52:04,850 --> 00:52:08,210
that ward managers, and it can't take the water,

725
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:09,310
obviously, in the rain.

726
00:52:09,830 --> 00:52:11,810
And it goes right into Jerry Grinnell's house.

727
00:52:12,450 --> 00:52:14,550
And it has for 50 years, right?

728
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:15,790
So I was down there this weekend

729
00:52:15,790 --> 00:52:16,870
I'm looking at some different things.

730
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:18,910
I would suggest like you need a sum pump.

731
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:21,530
You can't get a sum pump in.

732
00:52:23,050 --> 00:52:25,050
I'm not pointing at you on point in, Kathy.

733
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:28,710
$1 is one of the limitations of my knowledge

734
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:30,490
because of the value of the value.

735
00:52:31,850 --> 00:52:34,310
So I have an experience from home.

736
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:38,290
But what I'm saying to you as a town

737
00:52:38,830 --> 00:52:41,030
that fits the needs to be looked at.

738
00:52:41,790 --> 00:52:43,010
Oh, yeah, without a doubt.

739
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:47,690
The problem, the statement I'm making, it's a more general one, which is at some point in time

740
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:54,450
We're going to say no because we just can't possibly deal with everything, right? I mean Catherine has two some pumps in her base

741
00:52:54,910 --> 00:52:58,170
To keep the water out and I don't think it quite kept up this time

742
00:52:58,170 --> 00:52:58,690
I don't know

743
00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:03,670
so this has been a horrific year for water and I

744
00:53:04,930 --> 00:53:11,110
Think there's probably some things we need to do on mills and we can see what we can do on behind first street

745
00:53:11,110 --> 00:53:13,550
But I don't know where to put the water.

746
00:53:14,610 --> 00:53:16,710
I mean, you can't just, I don't know where it would go.

747
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:17,350
It's the problem.

748
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:19,910
Sooner or later, it has to come down on the first street.

749
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:21,670
Or it goes behind you.

750
00:53:21,790 --> 00:53:22,910
And I don't think we own that property.

751
00:53:23,010 --> 00:53:24,490
I was just trying to look at it.

752
00:53:24,490 --> 00:53:25,550
No, it does come down.

753
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:26,850
But just a couple of things.

754
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:31,570
At one point, the town dig did dig a trance

755
00:53:31,570 --> 00:53:33,070
behind Bertolino's home.

756
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:34,990
So that's on first street.

757
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:37,210
They went up there and they dug it out.

758
00:53:37,850 --> 00:53:40,450
And it was like, when I first moved in,

759
00:53:40,450 --> 00:53:49,410
it was like an eight foot trench and no, no, no, no, eight years ago. They dug a trench.

760
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:56,210
Oh, was that eight years ago? So I'm sorry. We did dig a trench and type in an office

761
00:53:56,210 --> 00:54:02,510
up there. No, it was actually, and so many. It was actually, you know, it weren't. It was

762
00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:13,170
with the prior supervisor. Yes. Okay. And what happens and there is the

763
00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:18,050
water right now when it comes off the hill, it drains between the homes down

764
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:22,830
down the first street. And then hopefully it gets picked up by the catch

765
00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:26,190
basis. But I don't think that drain there isn't enough to take all the water off

766
00:54:26,190 --> 00:54:31,470
that hill that's going in. But that's where it goes. I mean, I think I think I

767
00:54:31,470 --> 00:54:36,810
I take above burlinies, and I've not been taken to fill them in, who has a house in the cold sector, I think, is there a Brian?

768
00:54:38,170 --> 00:54:51,710
Part of that water goes behind his house and down. It doesn't go all the way down. First street, he goes around his house, and there's a drain either between his and the neighbors or between you and his, like, that's correct, and goes right down.

769
00:54:51,870 --> 00:55:01,430
And then we did some work, putting some rip wrap in front there, because it was a water, and I'm talking about up at the top of the hill, the top of the first street.

770
00:55:01,470 --> 00:55:06,810
the last house and the cul-de-sac the water goes the opposite way it goes down

771
00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:11,330
along his house okay at least it'd be great if we could put it someplace or

772
00:55:11,330 --> 00:55:16,890
there's no people yeah Wardette that's my house that's yeah the water splits

773
00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:21,950
off and then it ends up going down on to my which has been doing that for 22

774
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:25,890
years has been doing that I've dealt with it how much acreage do you have it it's a

775
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:30,770
half okay so you don't know them at all no so I mean I haven't I haven't you know

776
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:33,850
I haven't contacted the town because it's run off from the hill.

777
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:38,550
I get it, so I've managed it, but like I said in the last couple of years now,

778
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:42,990
it's the volume of water and I get this rain was a bad rain,

779
00:55:43,090 --> 00:55:47,270
but it's prior to this, something up there has changed the movement

780
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:49,870
of the water has changed, the volume that's coming down.

781
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:51,330
Like I said, prior to this rain.

782
00:55:51,350 --> 00:55:53,810
There's a lot of water just washed a new channel, maybe.

783
00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:56,590
Correct, it was going somewhere prior to this and it was much more manageable,

784
00:55:56,590 --> 00:56:00,750
but like my loan, my loan's been wet for three years now.

785
00:56:00,970 --> 00:56:02,890
It doesn't dry out because the water doesn't stop coming down

786
00:56:02,890 --> 00:56:04,050
no matter how many trenches I dig.

787
00:56:04,930 --> 00:56:08,190
But recently, the water coming through each of the homes,

788
00:56:08,830 --> 00:56:10,710
that volume of water, as you well know,

789
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:12,650
I mean, it's going to flood out people,

790
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:14,710
it's going to flood the back of all those homes out,

791
00:56:14,810 --> 00:56:16,290
like that in all those septics.

792
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:18,370
And that's really, that type of an issue

793
00:56:18,370 --> 00:56:19,650
is really more than just water.

794
00:56:19,830 --> 00:56:21,710
And now you have a real contamination issue,

795
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:23,370
which then you got to deal with that, so.

796
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:24,370
Well, thank you.

797
00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:24,750
Thank you, water.

798
00:56:24,750 --> 00:56:25,810
and that's really the problem.

799
00:56:26,730 --> 00:56:35,290
Maureen, can I ask, where is the DEP installed wastewater system that you were describing?

800
00:56:36,090 --> 00:56:37,690
It's under which streets?

801
00:56:39,850 --> 00:56:40,370
Stormwater.

802
00:56:40,810 --> 00:56:40,830
Stormwater.

803
00:56:41,090 --> 00:56:41,610
Isn't there a little fountain?

804
00:56:41,830 --> 00:56:42,450
There's some place, too.

805
00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:43,350
I saw some picture.

806
00:56:43,810 --> 00:56:47,270
Wasn't there a little fountain someplace where the water used to come in?

807
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:47,750
There was a,

808
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,200
that, at one time, some of you had an old post on it,

809
00:56:55,300 --> 00:57:00,140
where the water coming off of your bill actually came down through that part,

810
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:07,820
and at the corner of both the well and the road, it actually was grabby chewed up

811
00:57:07,820 --> 00:57:12,420
and some of that fountain that had water in it.

812
00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:21,200
In Germany, I'm like a friend when you do whatever, but in answer to your question, I don't

813
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:28,440
know where I start on those roads and that's one of the questions that I have to look

814
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:36,240
at the distance because if you're standing at no road and old school house, when you look

815
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,400
in the afternoon and there's two sets of pipes and the water's coming off of that,

816
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:57,500
I don't know if that's possible, maybe that's on to that kind of idea.

817
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:58,840
Is it possible?

818
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:16,180
Well, I don't think it's hundreds of thousands of dollars and you have to say someone, but I do think that in today's phase, things are a lot easier than, you know, sending somebody, you know, things of the kind or whatever.

819
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,740
You can send things there.

820
00:58:19,180 --> 00:58:26,980
Oh, I'm just wondering if it's possible that that's still owned by, you know, the City of New York.

821
00:58:32,610 --> 00:58:34,510
Yeah, unfortunately we haven't had any feedback on that.

822
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:38,850
Because you did it for us, the DEP archives is incredible.

823
00:58:39,070 --> 00:58:41,950
If they built that, it's there in the archives.

824
00:58:42,570 --> 00:58:46,330
Susie and I spent a day up there, and they pulled out all the plans.

825
00:58:46,590 --> 00:58:47,730
Where is it when you say up there?

826
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:48,610
In the city.

827
00:58:48,910 --> 00:58:51,850
They have, they have the record of everything they built.

828
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:54,390
So that would be a good starting point.

829
00:58:54,590 --> 00:58:56,550
If they built it, they still have those plans.

830
00:58:57,050 --> 00:59:01,990
If Cotswilds built it, it should be in the planning or building department, because they

831
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:03,530
We would have the construction drawings.

832
00:59:04,410 --> 00:59:08,390
So, you know, digging up those documents would be a good start to hand over to an engineer.

833
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:10,670
Try to get an understanding of that system.

834
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:12,590
But she's right about Pinto.

835
00:59:12,750 --> 00:59:16,750
I mean, Pinto put in a lot of the drainage when he owned a lot of land there.

836
00:59:17,370 --> 00:59:19,770
And that'll see if we have any evidence of what he put in.

837
00:59:19,850 --> 00:59:21,510
Well, the DEP look for you.

838
00:59:21,790 --> 00:59:22,270
Can you say?

839
00:59:22,550 --> 00:59:29,430
Yes, if I send them a request, we can go back and look the contact list that you put together and see if they're still there.

840
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:39,130
And all you have to do is pre list what you're looking for when you go down there, they'll have it all pulled if it exists if they actually did it.

841
00:59:39,590 --> 00:59:40,110
Right.

842
00:59:40,450 --> 00:59:43,290
Let's talk offline and put it requests together.

843
00:59:43,630 --> 00:59:44,090
Thank you, Cynthia.

844
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:47,100
Okay.

845
00:59:47,180 --> 00:59:50,600
I'm going to be checking off this meeting here.

846
00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:51,140
Yeah.

847
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:52,400
I feel good tomorrow.

848
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:53,900
Everyone feels better.

849
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:54,480
Yeah.

850
00:59:55,460 --> 00:59:55,840
Okay.

851
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:56,960
Alright, give Jenna a best.

852
00:59:58,020 --> 00:59:59,860
Alright, take care everybody.

853
01:00:00,740 --> 01:00:24,800
Thank you. Thank you. Take care. So it looks like probably some engineering money to figure some of this out. And then, I guess we can talk to Haan and get an idea of what they think the cost might be. And I assume we could even start this year if somebody wanted to. It doesn't matter. This is probably coming out of front balance whether it's this year or next year.

854
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:42,330
Anything else that before we move on to something else?

855
01:00:42,330 --> 01:00:46,770
something else. Thank you all for coming in, Maureen. It's always nice to see you.

856
01:00:47,710 --> 01:00:49,430
Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.

857
01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:50,490
Thank you.

858
01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:52,790
Thanks, Brian. Take care.

859
01:00:58,640 --> 01:00:59,440
Thank you.

860
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:00,620
Have a good evening.

861
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,020
So I did, if I go back to number 1, 4, which starts on the intersection of Holy Post,

862
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:13,300
the Lost Pond Lane, I did talk to Gerald Charleston, who's the regional,

863
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:14,780
remember, it used to be Richard.

864
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,900
There was an engineer we met without you many years ago.

865
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:26,100
He was three, that was three engineers ago. So when I mentioned, I said Richard and Dylan,

866
01:01:27,020 --> 01:01:33,040
was it Dylan? Anyway, yeah, so he said, oh my God, you're old. So I said, thank you.

867
01:01:35,020 --> 01:01:41,040
But anyway, I did talk to him today, and this gets down on the intersection down there at June,

868
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:46,240
in the 1-21, not this particular one, but he said they've decided that they do need

869
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:46,880
to do something.

870
01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:50,100
They're talking about putting lashing lights and stuff.

871
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,080
And not necessarily a four-way stop right now until they see how it goes.

872
01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:56,400
Maybe even a light needs to go there.

873
01:01:57,700 --> 01:02:00,400
And for they did anything like that, that would be three years out.

874
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,160
And I told them to please write what you're telling me up and they'll have it to me in a week

875
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,760
and you can look forward to look at it.

876
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:15,740
So, you know, I'm not sure exactly what we want to do, but I did suggest that a four-way

877
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:16,440
stop would work.

878
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:17,980
This is worked here.

879
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,840
At least we don't like putting stop signs on our routes here.

880
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,300
It happened to be on 116 already.

881
01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:26,240
And I said, I understand that, but that's what would work for us.

882
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:30,920
So, I'm going to get the document from him, and then we can all take a look at it.

883
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:32,840
You know, what the next steps are.

884
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:42,640
I had a request from Marie, I think I sent them both to you in the e-mails, and I printed

885
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:48,320
them out for everybody, and they're sitting right on the copier work, so I do apologize,

886
01:02:48,620 --> 01:02:52,200
but I'm going to look up the gentleman's name, so I have two people on post-road that have

887
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:57,360
sent me notes saying, I think they may have talked to Ward, so they did talk to Ward, of course

888
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:04,060
not here. The bank is on the way and you know where this is post road. You used to live on that

889
01:03:04,060 --> 01:03:11,660
corner or you used to live up one. So when they come down they can't see and the cars are flying

890
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:18,180
down the road now. One of the problems with Hawley and I did talk to Gerald Charleston about this is

891
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:26,560
that it's taking a lot of computer traffic now that are going between 121 and 35. They're trying to

892
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:35,160
one in 35 and such. So, it's a lot of kinetic traffic. So, I told him we'd be discussing that.

893
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:39,480
Now, I have no problem with it, more than no problem with it. I don't think Tom had a problem with it.

894
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:41,400
I know when talking to you, you had some questions.

895
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:48,100
Well, I actually drove up there to take a look, close a look at it, okay?

896
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:58,760
And I think you'll correct that that that post road and loss pond are pretty much

897
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:06,060
obviously each other. I thought that there was a substantial difference, a mileage

898
01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:10,400
difference between not, you know, foot, foot difference between where post road

899
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,600
enters on to Hawley and loss pond enters on to Hawley but it's it's not really

900
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:21,120
significant. Pretty much directly across from each other. So I mean I just think

901
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:30,400
that coming down the cars that are going westbound on Hawley and throwing a

902
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:43,960
stop sign down there may create some problems. It could be you know create more

903
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:52,700
difficulties and relative to safety issues that not having one at all. So that's just

904
01:04:52,700 --> 01:05:04,160
my, you know, if somehow or another, and I never, I didn't really look at the landscape

905
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:14,420
on the post road where it meets Holly, if that could be cleared some, so you get a better view

906
01:05:14,420 --> 01:05:22,160
on the west, when you come to Westbound, then that might be all of the quiet.

907
01:05:22,380 --> 01:05:30,400
But I don't know, I don't know who owns the property there on the corner of Holly

908
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,940
and post-LOG.

909
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:39,780
So I think that, you know, if it could be cleared back some,

910
01:05:40,620 --> 01:05:44,760
I think it would be work for both posts and all of these.

911
01:05:45,140 --> 01:05:47,740
But I don't know what the property and, you know,

912
01:05:48,260 --> 01:05:50,760
they have to be taken a better look at more that way.

913
01:05:50,860 --> 01:05:55,160
So Mark Salisu, he sent me an email and I quoted to everybody

914
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,940
and I did print out a new apologize.

915
01:05:57,420 --> 01:05:58,340
I did send it to you too.

916
01:05:59,260 --> 01:06:07,940
But he has a private room and a second private room, having lived on our house, at our house on Post Road for 43 years, my wife and I are quite familiar with that intersection.

917
01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:15,100
As the years passed, vehicular traffic on Holy Road and Post Road, especially on Holy, has increased substantially, very consequently.

918
01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:20,100
The chances of accidents happening at this intersection would have proved or risen significantly.

919
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:25,880
on arriving at the intersection from post road and then attempting to make a love turn

920
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:31,940
on the Hawley Road toward Route 121 and not only is extreme course required, but sometimes

921
01:06:31,940 --> 01:06:38,580
that's not enough. Visibility is compromised there because of the significant bank or curve

922
01:06:38,580 --> 01:06:45,160
on Hawley Road, thus severely restricting the view of traffic on Hawley headed from Twin

923
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,820
Lakes Camp towards post road. Anyway, he goes on and I had another letter from another

924
01:06:49,820 --> 01:06:55,580
individual also which I said everybody. Well that's why I'm a little concerned about

925
01:06:55,580 --> 01:07:03,140
putting a stop sign at that intersection because because of the curve and

926
01:07:03,140 --> 01:07:09,380
the you know way trot cars travel you know westbound on holly so you know

927
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:19,800
what no not that I'm aware of what. On holly. Well they're not going slow

928
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,480
So anyway, we put the speed machine, they slow down a little bit.

929
01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:27,460
But if you want to talk, Kurt, if I could ask you to, I apologize, what do you do?

930
01:07:27,580 --> 01:07:27,740
Okay.

931
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:34,440
But so I don't know, I mean, if you take a look at it, see who owns that property on that corner

932
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:39,700
there and if there's some way we could mitigate the danger by cutting back on it.

933
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:41,160
Can you talk into your mic so we can hear it?

934
01:07:41,460 --> 01:07:42,000
I'm sorry.

935
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:51,340
If there's some way we could mitigate the danger by cutting back the growth that's

936
01:07:51,340 --> 01:07:57,020
there, that probably could solve the problems without putting in a war-way stop sign.

937
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:02,040
But it would have to be taken a good look at, and again, we'd have to know who the land

938
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:09,360
owner was and if he was agreeable to, you know, cutting the brush down there so that you

939
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:19,920
has better visibility, looking from going from loss pond on to, going from post road

940
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:29,740
onto, onto hauling, which I think is the really the danger, I think the vision from loss

941
01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:33,320
pond is fine because you're, it's pretty clear.

942
01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:34,980
Well, they already have a stop sign.

943
01:08:34,980 --> 01:08:39,240
Yes, it's clear and both, and it's clear and both the rest, it's easier to look up

944
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,900
Paulie when you're on lost part rather than on old post roads.

945
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:52,020
So the property on the corner is 307 post road, and from what I understand, Ward was looking

946
01:08:52,020 --> 01:08:57,800
into clearing that brush to try and improve the line of sight, because that's really the

947
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:58,000
problem.

948
01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:00,700
The line of sight looking up Paulie.

949
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:01,820
That's exactly what I'm saying.

950
01:09:01,820 --> 01:09:04,900
But you told me that it's a bank there and that we don't own the bank.

951
01:09:05,140 --> 01:09:05,480
Correct.

952
01:09:05,580 --> 01:09:07,220
So we'd have to talk to the homeowner.

953
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,480
You don't have to own the bank under the code.

954
01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:13,800
You have the right to clear the corners on a corner right.

955
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,640
So I mean, it's Basil's property, isn't it?

956
01:09:17,180 --> 01:09:17,280
Yeah.

957
01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:20,340
Isn't that vegetation that were the ones that's to clear the bank?

958
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:21,160
Vegetation.

959
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:22,800
Yeah, if you want to do more, if you want to cut.

960
01:09:23,020 --> 01:09:24,020
We have to put the bank here.

961
01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:25,420
The bank's higher than the call.

962
01:09:25,420 --> 01:09:28,420
Yeah, then you just have to talk to Mr. Hoover.

963
01:09:28,420 --> 01:09:37,420
That is that, you know, I think, in my opinion, okay, if that was able to be achieved, it would solve the issue.

964
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:42,100
Well, they're just looking at, they just want to see what's coming down.

965
01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:45,680
That's what I'm saying. If we could achieve that, that would solve the issue.

966
01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:55,080
Especially if, ultimately, I know it's not going to be quick, the state does something at the intersection of 120.

967
01:09:55,080 --> 01:10:02,920
120 that well that's going to happen yeah I know but if they if they address

968
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:10,160
that problem then you're going to and if you put another stop sign just a few

969
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:15,320
hundred feet away right that's going to create all types of issues yeah yeah yeah you

970
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:24,880
know so I don't know maybe maybe I'll be happy to talk to Ward and see if there's

971
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,060
that, you know, if he could talk to the homeowner or

972
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:29,060
other. I know they have a lot of ways to take a

973
01:10:29,060 --> 01:10:31,640
clear look at it. And then we'll talk to the homeowner.

974
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:33,720
Well, we may have to understand exactly where we

975
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,740
go into it. Right. Is there a road going up right there?

976
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:36,620
Is it the one?

977
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:42,120
The property has a road on the homeowner, right? The first

978
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,320
property on the corner, the roadway comes off a

979
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,400
holy road. The driveway comes off a holy road. No, the

980
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,460
drive comes off. The driveway, the property on the corner,

981
01:10:50,460 --> 01:10:52,700
the energies is on post-strike. Okay.

982
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,020
I'll talk to the board about it and we'll go up there

983
01:10:59,020 --> 01:11:05,500
together and take a look and report back to you guys. Sounds good. Okay. Yeah. There's another

984
01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:10,580
way to do it. I think it was a rush and like a thermal else there. It's a burn. It would need to like

985
01:11:10,580 --> 01:11:16,440
dig out and open it up a little bit. I'm happy to talk to you about this. You know, we can do

986
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:18,900
something that doesn't require putting in, you know,

987
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:20,020
four-way stops on.

988
01:11:20,540 --> 01:11:20,660
Yeah.

989
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,480
I had a bunch of calls today to about,

990
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,540
or actually, the last three, four days.

991
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,660
Ever since Carol put it in the newspaper,

992
01:11:28,420 --> 01:11:30,460
I've been getting phone calls about the intersection

993
01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:34,020
and buses turn too slow with trucks coming south

994
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,780
or, I guess, west on 121.

995
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,320
And somebody's going to be in an accident

996
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,280
and it just goes, everybody's quite concerned.

997
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:45,280
But that's basically the same issue.

998
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,940
we have a lot of cars going, a lot of the cars are going straight up

999
01:11:48,940 --> 01:11:53,780
Paulie and it's just your typical alongside problems there.

1000
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:58,020
Yeah, so, okay, well look, if you can check that out with a

1001
01:11:58,020 --> 01:12:02,520
ward and then figure out if there's a word for us to get on the

1002
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,140
guy's property and cut it back a little bit, that would be better

1003
01:12:06,140 --> 01:12:07,460
than having to put stuff signs in.

1004
01:12:09,780 --> 01:12:12,720
Do we want to talk about, yes, oh, I think we're waiting for

1005
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,280
somebody out there.

1006
01:12:13,940 --> 01:12:15,680
Oh, have they been on for a while?

1007
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,720
I'm sorry, you should have told me as soon as they get on.

1008
01:12:21,340 --> 01:12:22,520
Okay, but they left.

1009
01:12:22,740 --> 01:12:24,040
We didn't have to talk about that.

1010
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:27,820
So you're going to open the public hearing?

1011
01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:30,080
Am I opening the public hearing?

1012
01:12:30,860 --> 01:12:32,560
I'm going to continue the public hearing.

1013
01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:35,500
Continue the public hearing to consider a local auto men

1014
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:37,700
chapter 250 zoning of the code in the town of North

1015
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:39,300
Sam landscaping and lighting.

1016
01:12:40,460 --> 01:12:42,400
And this is a continuation of something

1017
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:43,300
that you've already published.

1018
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:45,480
Does anybody want to see that, can talk to Maria?

1019
01:12:47,740 --> 01:12:48,260
Okay.

1020
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:53,280
The last time I was here, we went over quite a bit.

1021
01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:56,340
I mean, all the little parts and pieces, we don't have an issue

1022
01:12:56,340 --> 01:12:58,180
with making some little fixes.

1023
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:11,300
The main thrust of what we talked about was how to separate the major problems

1024
01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:13,140
that we're having with flood lights, whatever,

1025
01:13:13,380 --> 01:13:14,140
from everything else.

1026
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:17,800
But I do want to, I always like to give a little history

1027
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:22,100
and step back because what the planning board put together

1028
01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:25,380
and presented to you is in conformance

1029
01:13:25,380 --> 01:13:27,780
with your adopted comprehensive plan.

1030
01:13:28,380 --> 01:13:30,980
I mean, the plan was very specific about the goals

1031
01:13:30,980 --> 01:13:34,860
of this town to have a dark sky policy for,

1032
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,100
not just for the commercial properties

1033
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:40,180
that the planning board handles, all the non-residential.

1034
01:13:40,180 --> 01:13:44,380
We already do make sure that that's all in compliance with dark sky.

1035
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:51,220
But the plan goes on to talk about public lighting and at the last minute I acknowledge

1036
01:13:51,220 --> 01:13:55,080
the great work that the town did in curtain falls and changing out all of those public

1037
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:55,420
lights.

1038
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,800
It made a huge difference and it's really good.

1039
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:04,700
But the plan also said, you know, residents, the goals for all residential is to also be

1040
01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:05,840
dark sky compliant.

1041
01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:13,880
And as you all know, four of you participated and voted on that, two of you were on the

1042
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,380
town board, the voted for that and two of you worked to write it.

1043
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:23,980
And like most things that you write, not everyone understands the full impact of when

1044
01:14:23,980 --> 01:14:27,580
you go to put the legislation together, what does it actually mean?

1045
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,220
And that's what we are now.

1046
01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:32,720
I mean, the planning board, when it drafted it, we do what we always do.

1047
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,780
We go back and look at the comprehensive plan.

1048
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:37,140
What was the directive? What are the goals of the town?

1049
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:38,600
They're all spelled out there.

1050
01:14:39,260 --> 01:14:41,800
So we wrote something that was in conformance with that.

1051
01:14:42,260 --> 01:14:44,960
But it was very clear at the last meeting that, you know,

1052
01:14:45,060 --> 01:14:50,000
you probably do not want to do the full write-up right now.

1053
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,900
So we've been mulling it over

1054
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:59,180
and it is not easy to separate and pick and choose how

1055
01:14:59,180 --> 01:14:59,940
You

1056
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,880
We would apply to some people or some instances and not to others. We had one full work session. We walked away still trying to figure out how we're going to approach this. And before we went into our meeting, our last meeting, I happened to be talking to the town planner. And he made a comment about, well, what if we just focused on the fronts of homes that face a road and exempt those for now, which leaves everything else would have to

1057
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:38,980
follow. And it caught me is probably a really good approach to a nice compromise right here because

1058
01:15:38,980 --> 01:15:44,940
as you go through town and you look at all of the developed neighborhoods, everyone has,

1059
01:15:45,580 --> 01:15:50,420
if their front door faces the road, everyone has some kind of lighting there. And I think even when

1060
01:15:50,420 --> 01:15:55,100
Mr. LaRocco was here was talking about to replace those lights because a lot of them just shine out.

1061
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,160
But those are a lot of the lights that he was talking about.

1062
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,840
And so as you go through the neighborhoods, whether it's Peach Lake or Sunset or Hilltop,

1063
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,820
you can all see the light that faces the road.

1064
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:13,860
If that was not a really bright light, okay, it faces the road.

1065
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:19,960
Why not just give a pass on all of those, but apply the law to everything else, which

1066
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:26,020
is basically, you know, turn them down, focus them down, and then turn them off at certain

1067
01:16:26,020 --> 01:16:31,840
times of the day. So that's the approach that I was thinking might work, but I said, you

1068
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:36,660
know, before we spend time and money putting in writing, I'd like to get some feedback

1069
01:16:36,660 --> 01:16:44,040
from you on that approach to consider exempting lights on front, front, porches, front doors,

1070
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:50,200
is anything that faces the road and say for now we're not going to be fine. I think the

1071
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,160
spotlight's are the things that we we have the problem. Right, so that's what we're saying.

1072
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,500
So all those historical type structures that Steve was talking about, I'm happy with leaving

1073
01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:02,780
them there. I actually, you know, I have the lanterns. I went back to my house and I'm building

1074
01:17:02,780 --> 01:17:09,440
shades to put on them and I've tried different things. Right. It's very difficult to take an

1075
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:12,140
Oh, light and make it dark, sky, and fire.

1076
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:12,760
Right.

1077
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,100
It's just not easy.

1078
01:17:14,460 --> 01:17:14,580
Right.

1079
01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:18,160
So you put up pictures of two of regist situations

1080
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,620
in the course of these hearings.

1081
01:17:19,980 --> 01:17:24,120
And this exemption would still allow the building

1082
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,180
spectre to deal with those kinds of situations, I believe.

1083
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:28,380
Sorry.

1084
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:29,240
I mean this exemption.

1085
01:17:29,460 --> 01:17:32,280
Yeah, but I don't think the ones that they weren't,

1086
01:17:32,380 --> 01:17:34,680
they weren't lights facing the road.

1087
01:17:42,420 --> 01:17:49,300
Well, we're talking about not lighting along your driveway, lighting, you know, your garage

1088
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:50,820
is sending it down, the driveway.

1089
01:17:51,660 --> 01:17:56,020
If you look at the facade of a house and it faces the road, any kind of lighting at

1090
01:17:56,020 --> 01:18:00,800
the door, lighting on the walls of the house, which are usually your decorative ones with

1091
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,100
the glass and you can see the boat to exempt those.

1092
01:18:04,540 --> 01:18:11,160
Yeah, no, no, I understand, you know, I think some of the examples were lighting along

1093
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:16,120
driveways and the spotlights above the garage doors and things like that.

1094
01:18:16,260 --> 01:18:21,000
Those, we would regulate, but not the facade.

1095
01:18:21,340 --> 01:18:30,400
So, if you have spotlights and they're basically facing down like landscape light, I'm talking

1096
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:37,780
about okay you know I don't you know I mean I understand if somebody's got

1097
01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:42,920
shining his spotlight on the next door neighbor's property okay or whatever

1098
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,360
maybe I understand that they should be something about that but again as I

1099
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:51,840
say if they're if they're if they're full cut off spotlights yeah of course I

1100
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,360
mean I'm just thinking of my house okay I don't have anything that faces the road

1101
01:18:56,360 --> 01:19:05,820
quite frankly, but we do have a bunch of landscape lighting, not of which is pointed out.

1102
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:06,480
Right.

1103
01:19:06,620 --> 01:19:10,820
The thing is pointed at, you know, whatever the landscape is right now.

1104
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:12,780
Those are fine.

1105
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:17,960
I mean, it was so long as you were to be dark sky compliant, you're full cut off, you're directing

1106
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:18,620
them downward.

1107
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,660
There's still flood lights or spotlights, but you're directing them down.

1108
01:19:22,900 --> 01:19:32,170
And then so if the if you have a flood or spot lights, I guess some folks I'm on their

1109
01:19:32,170 --> 01:19:37,930
homes like on the corner of the homes or like you said over the garages, if that spot

1110
01:19:37,930 --> 01:19:47,650
light is facing downward so that the area that's lit remains on their property even though

1111
01:19:47,650 --> 01:19:50,530
you might be able to see the source from the road, that's okay.

1112
01:19:50,530 --> 01:19:56,690
Well, if you move to the more current spotlights, they're not the globe like this.

1113
01:19:56,790 --> 01:20:01,910
They still have to be the ones where the light is underneath, but it can be a spotlight

1114
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:03,350
so long as it's pointed downward.

1115
01:20:03,930 --> 01:20:08,390
So it's not the old-fashioned spotlight with a surround bulb and you see the source.

1116
01:20:08,890 --> 01:20:11,470
Now, I just think about my house.

1117
01:20:11,790 --> 01:20:17,310
I do have spotlights that are not facing downward, but they're facing the house.

1118
01:20:19,450 --> 01:20:24,450
Well, the way the code is written now, you have to, by definition, a full cut-off, it's

1119
01:20:24,450 --> 01:20:26,170
not going above the 90-degree angle.

1120
01:20:26,570 --> 01:20:33,910
Well, in these things, you know, houses, it's odd shape, but you know, it's, you know,

1121
01:20:34,110 --> 01:20:40,850
two turrets, you know, and we do have lights that shine directly at the house, they're not

1122
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:43,850
not shining out at anybody else's property,

1123
01:20:44,350 --> 01:20:47,170
they're only shining on our house,

1124
01:20:47,710 --> 01:20:49,810
but they're not directed down,

1125
01:20:50,770 --> 01:20:52,430
they're directed at the house.

1126
01:20:55,290 --> 01:20:56,770
So they're not in compliance.

1127
01:20:57,130 --> 01:20:57,590
Is it the ground up?

1128
01:20:58,350 --> 01:21:01,630
It's like from the ground up, yes,

1129
01:21:01,850 --> 01:21:03,150
the ground that is on the ground,

1130
01:21:03,710 --> 01:21:05,490
and they're directly shining at the house.

1131
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:07,590
So they're contributing to sky glow,

1132
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:10,770
which is one of the goals is to not contribute to skyglow.

1133
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:12,290
I'm a contrarian in the sky.

1134
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:14,350
I've looked at your house on Google Maps.

1135
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:16,250
Don't you start at the Google Maps.

1136
01:21:18,250 --> 01:21:20,530
I'm not trying to illuminate the world up.

1137
01:21:20,730 --> 01:21:24,790
But it's in our particular case okay,

1138
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:29,940
the kind of essential fund, you know,

1139
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,440
that we live with out there, yes but what's the point?

1140
01:21:33,620 --> 01:21:35,760
I mean, we're not perfecting anybody in the network.

1141
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,980
I think we're making the poster not all my long.

1142
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,320
Even if we said, you know, exterior lights can't be left on all night long.

1143
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,140
Well, we do say that.

1144
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:48,540
Yes.

1145
01:21:49,460 --> 01:21:50,400
11 p.m.

1146
01:21:50,780 --> 01:21:50,840
Sure.

1147
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,560
I know, but I'm just saying that.

1148
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,060
Again, I have another question.

1149
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:56,140
Yeah, I know.

1150
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,440
I think I made the comment earlier.

1151
01:21:58,800 --> 01:21:58,920
Okay.

1152
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,620
Well, what do we have a summer time?

1153
01:22:02,620 --> 01:22:05,920
All right, and we're entertaining outside.

1154
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,300
You come and get a permit for the.

1155
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,640
Oh, yeah, I could see it all around here.

1156
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:19,280
No, seriously, I mean, you know, this is like, well, I mean, there is a, you know, to the

1157
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:23,340
extent that we don't have reasonableness with people working with their neighbors, I don't

1158
01:22:23,340 --> 01:22:26,400
think anyone's going to be unreasonable if your party goes to midnight.

1159
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:31,900
I mean, we're trying to set a goal and a standard, give us some direction.

1160
01:22:31,900 --> 01:22:38,820
I mean if you don't like 11 is it midnight? I mean, but I think you're all in agreement. They shouldn't be on all night long

1161
01:22:41,950 --> 01:22:44,550
So I mean that is normally we leave our lights on

1162
01:22:56,970 --> 01:22:58,310
The little solar

1163
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:18,600
Everybody here wants to have an hour that the lights can no longer, your regular, you know,

1164
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:28,280
whatever spotlights have to be turned off, then I think maybe one o'clock at night might

1165
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:36,640
be a reasonable request. I mean, we do have parties, you know, gatherings or something outside,

1166
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,520
I will barbecue or something like that, where it does

1167
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,500
some time to go beyond 12 o'clock, you know?

1168
01:23:44,140 --> 01:23:46,900
It's, we're getting, it's not gonna be manageable

1169
01:23:46,900 --> 01:23:47,860
by the building expected.

1170
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:50,860
He needs to point, he needs to find the five or 10 people

1171
01:23:50,860 --> 01:23:52,360
that are driving their neighbors crazy.

1172
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,700
And go up to them and say, the code doesn't allow you

1173
01:23:54,700 --> 01:23:56,480
to do that move the light to one point.

1174
01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:58,500
And you know, by one o'clock in the morning,

1175
01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:00,880
they've given up Peter, which is, I mean,

1176
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:06,340
it's, you need something to help the general public.

1177
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:11,500
And I don't think anyone's going to be going after the occasional party that someone is having

1178
01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:12,940
unless you've got a lot of noise.

1179
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,680
That's going to be more annoying than the light.

1180
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:16,140
And then at

1181
01:24:19,180 --> 01:24:19,840
midnight,

1182
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:26,260
I think that would be a reasonable power to require, you know, these

1183
01:24:26,260 --> 01:24:26,520
things.

1184
01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:27,220
Tardom.

1185
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:34,800
11 o'clock is still, you know, relatively early, in my opinion, it's a personal opinion, but,

1186
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:40,780
you know, I don't know, midnight sounds to me, you know, more reasonable.

1187
01:24:42,060 --> 01:24:44,220
I said, yeah, I have a question for you.

1188
01:24:45,650 --> 01:24:54,440
So one of the criticisms that I had, right, was if we implemented this, then it was going

1189
01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:59,540
to make everyone in town spend money to change lights, to make it compliant.

1190
01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:08,880
So is there any way to deal with that, so that doesn't have to occur, so people don't have

1191
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,320
to spend all the money?

1192
01:25:11,780 --> 01:25:14,320
Well, some people will have to spend money

1193
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,380
if they've got spotlights and flood lights,

1194
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,820
and if they have lights right on their neighbor's property

1195
01:25:19,820 --> 01:25:22,120
shining at their neighbor if they can't redirect it.

1196
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,040
It can't avoid that.

1197
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,380
But I think the compromise that we are suggesting

1198
01:25:28,380 --> 01:25:32,800
is at night, it's typical for every home

1199
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,760
to have lighting by their front door.

1200
01:25:35,420 --> 01:25:37,080
And we're saying, we're not going to make a change

1201
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:44,000
any of that. But if you've got other floodlights in the back, or other lights around your property

1202
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:51,680
that are casting light, trespassing on your neighbors, we are suggesting that yes. You do something

1203
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:57,880
about it. I mean, what right do people have to trespass on other people's property with something

1204
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:02,440
that might impact them? No, I agree. I don't think there's, I don't disagree with that part.

1205
01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:02,920
So,

1206
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:13,640
not everyone is going to have an expense, I don't know how to judge who will have to change out their lights or just turn them off if they're not needed.

1207
01:26:15,660 --> 01:26:20,320
And our building inspector is not going to be running around at 10 o'clock at night checking on people's lights.

1208
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:27,580
It's a goal that yes, if you want to be completely compliant, you probably have to change out some of your lights.

1209
01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:29,800
At some point in time, because people are going to be complaining about it.

1210
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:30,580
If they complain.

1211
01:26:30,980 --> 01:26:34,760
I mean, I called up the D, the MTA, right, and said, hey, you have a bunch of lights out.

1212
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,540
They go, we didn't notice, because we check them at four o'clock in the afternoon.

1213
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:39,080
That's what they told me.

1214
01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:43,640
He's going to have to go out at night, and part of the problem is, how do you make it so

1215
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,340
that it's reasonable, not only for people, but for us to manage it.

1216
01:26:47,460 --> 01:26:50,300
I don't know how, nobody's going to be in compliance with this.

1217
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,060
Well, tell me what part they're not going to be in compliance with, because we're looking

1218
01:26:55,060 --> 01:26:57,860
for direction from you. What is it that you can't?

1219
01:26:57,860 --> 01:27:00,740
I think you can spot light on the back of their house. It's going to be pointed down and

1220
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:02,500
they're not going to turn it off.

1221
01:27:05,650 --> 01:27:09,190
But you can do anything. All that cost money. The average

1222
01:27:09,190 --> 01:27:10,790
person isn't going to go on the ladder or anything.

1223
01:27:10,810 --> 01:27:15,730
No, I mean, one of the things that I pointed out is everyone has to eventually change a light

1224
01:27:15,730 --> 01:27:21,990
bulb. You can change a light bulb to a motion detector. That's a big difference, rather

1225
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:24,670
than having it on. If it's needed, it comes on.

1226
01:27:24,670 --> 01:27:26,370
Chris Brockler would like to say something.

1227
01:27:26,510 --> 01:27:28,430
Chris, if you'd like to, I see your answer is.

1228
01:27:30,940 --> 01:27:32,140
Yeah, thanks, Warren.

1229
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:32,580
Hi, everyone.

1230
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:34,260
Sorry, I can't be there tonight.

1231
01:27:34,940 --> 01:27:38,100
I mean, listen, maybe when we started digging

1232
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:40,020
to this at our last planning board meeting

1233
01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:42,200
trying to address what we thought the concerns were

1234
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,600
of the town board, I think it became quite obvious

1235
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:50,000
that it's extremely difficult to legislate common sense

1236
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,400
and being a good neighbor.

1237
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,360
And what might be true for you, Peter,

1238
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:59,380
because you don't have neighbors that are within 20 feet of you,

1239
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,160
may not be true for another property,

1240
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:06,640
and it's extremely difficult to have a one-size-fits-all program.

1241
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:11,100
But that said, you know, back to Cynthia's comments earlier,

1242
01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:14,920
what we're trying to do, or being guided by your planning board,

1243
01:28:15,220 --> 01:28:18,780
is what the comprehensive plan already provides for,

1244
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,540
which is to try to get our code to a point

1245
01:28:22,540 --> 01:28:29,300
where dark starts by compliance and we, you know, we are adopting the best practices that I think,

1246
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:35,440
you know, the people who work in this world agree is the right direction to go in.

1247
01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:42,100
That said, you know, I think that the solution that Cynthia suggested that will address to,

1248
01:28:42,180 --> 01:28:48,320
you could pose maybe a good first step. And then we, you know, we sort of address this more

1249
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:57,560
and incrementally, if we aren't in a position to adopt the full program that we had envisioned initially.

1250
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:03,580
That's sort of what I was thinking too, an incremental approach to implementing this.

1251
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:11,880
So certainly new construction could be, you know, I know, but we could phase it in in that way.

1252
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:18,660
I'd like to compromise of leaving lighting on the street side and not worrying with that

1253
01:29:18,660 --> 01:29:24,740
unless it's causing a problem with the neighbors and focusing on the other light fixtures.

1254
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:31,080
I mean, dark sky compliance is it's healthy for everyone.

1255
01:29:31,460 --> 01:29:33,740
It's consistent with our rural character.

1256
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:38,820
It's something we've discussed a lot when we were putting together the comprehensive plan.

1257
01:29:38,820 --> 01:29:45,700
And it's, you know, I don't think it's even remotely

1258
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:46,380
onerous.

1259
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,160
It's going to, you know, leaving lights on all night.

1260
01:29:49,460 --> 01:29:50,320
What's the point?

1261
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:50,720
Why?

1262
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:51,200
It's security.

1263
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:52,740
I'm just telling you.

1264
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:52,860
I have a security role.

1265
01:29:52,860 --> 01:29:56,380
If it's security, if you have a legitimate reason

1266
01:29:56,380 --> 01:30:00,000
to have it on, then that's a little...

1267
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,100
It's a little different, but is it really secure? There are lights on all night long because they're from New York City and they can't take it dark out. But is that reasonable? It is for them. My point isn't that. My point is, how are we going to manage this stuff because the building inspector is going to have to go to, he can't even, he can't even manage between the stormwater and the code enforcement and the zoning and all the other stuff he has to do with Fire Marshall. Well, that's really a different issue because we've been asking for a code enforcement officer for years.

1268
01:30:31,180 --> 01:30:36,160
It's that's a time thing, but I mean he did tell us that he has to go to sort of zoning

1269
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:40,940
board of appeal meetings and it those the nights that he does check out the night issues.

1270
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:45,660
He's gone and checked out some of the lighting problems after those meetings.

1271
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,660
So he is around at night and he does do a little bit of that.

1272
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,960
Is he here as a resident all the time?

1273
01:30:53,100 --> 01:30:57,480
No, but if there's a complaint, he'll figure out how to do it.

1274
01:30:57,480 --> 01:31:00,920
I wouldn't want to live in, you know, the building is spectacular, it doesn't want to live in town.

1275
01:31:01,060 --> 01:31:02,700
We're in use too, but that's hard.

1276
01:31:03,940 --> 01:31:09,540
So, let me ask you, so if what you're suggesting then is the regular normal lighting in front

1277
01:31:09,540 --> 01:31:13,520
that would be more historical type lighting, don't, I'm not even using the word historical.

1278
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:21,420
The typical lighting by a front door, the bulb is exposed, the lighting comes out straight.

1279
01:31:22,220 --> 01:31:26,380
So that's not in compliance, but it's the front of the house, it's your door, it's a fixture,

1280
01:31:26,380 --> 01:31:28,200
it would cost money to replace it.

1281
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:30,860
Just about everybody has a front door light.

1282
01:31:31,460 --> 01:31:32,760
Let those go for now.

1283
01:31:33,740 --> 01:31:35,200
What about maybe a lamppost,

1284
01:31:35,540 --> 01:31:37,460
like even the ones we have around the town hall

1285
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:38,660
that are in the front?

1286
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,600
No, the public lights should change.

1287
01:31:41,740 --> 01:31:43,540
You've known that for 12 years.

1288
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,080
The public lights should go dark sky compliant.

1289
01:31:46,380 --> 01:31:47,940
You did croat and falls, it's fabulous.

1290
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:50,460
And you knew you'd have to do town hall.

1291
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:52,760
Like what about a private home?

1292
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,540
So a light other than the one that's on the door,

1293
01:31:55,540 --> 01:32:02,380
are on the wall next. We are suggesting it become dark sky compliant. The pillar ones already

1294
01:32:02,380 --> 01:32:06,840
have an exception. If it's pillar on the road, those already have an exception.

1295
01:32:07,140 --> 01:32:11,900
Sure. Understand that. Yeah. Okay. So the only exception you're talking about is the lights

1296
01:32:11,900 --> 01:32:20,960
that are attached to the home next to the front door. But if that home had a lamppost like in

1297
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,400
the front yard near the driveway that would not be compliant, that would have to be changed.

1298
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:25,840
Okay.

1299
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,000
Just wanted to make sure I understand.

1300
01:32:30,440 --> 01:32:33,840
I mean, we started talking about how do you separate one from the other?

1301
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:38,120
How do you say, is it a matter of setback, is it a matter of zoning district, is it a matter

1302
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:38,900
of type of lighting?

1303
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,940
It gets very complicated to say which ones are of these.

1304
01:32:42,940 --> 01:32:45,020
There's a spot and it's facing it, your neighbors.

1305
01:32:45,220 --> 01:32:51,980
Those are easy, Warren, those are easy, but what if, what if these lights that he just described

1306
01:32:51,980 --> 01:32:57,460
is also shining right into it because it's right along the property line and shining into the

1307
01:32:57,460 --> 01:33:02,860
Navy's yard and he doesn't want it. You're going to say those are okay. How do you do that?

1308
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:10,820
Well, since the other um so the what was the reason for the pillars at the end of the driveway

1309
01:33:10,820 --> 01:33:17,520
right? Because the exception that you rode in was a 25 watt bowl right? So what was the reason for that?

1310
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,960
The reason I ask is because what say you have the lamp post? Could that become 25 watt

1311
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,540
but then be an exception as well?

1312
01:33:25,740 --> 01:33:28,220
If that's the direction you want to give it to us,

1313
01:33:28,260 --> 01:33:32,580
if it's a very low loom in, make it an exception,

1314
01:33:33,020 --> 01:33:34,040
we can work with that.

1315
01:33:34,300 --> 01:33:37,160
Was that the reason why that was an exception for the pillars?

1316
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:40,320
I think in the beginning when we talked about the ones in the pillars,

1317
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:41,780
those are pretty expensive lights.

1318
01:33:43,380 --> 01:33:47,940
To change those out, it is a very costly thing to get them to be

1319
01:33:47,940 --> 01:33:53,300
dark sky compliant up and under, is it really making a difference considering where they are?

1320
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,020
So it was a compromise.

1321
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:57,100
It's absolutely.

1322
01:33:57,900 --> 01:34:05,340
Maybe if flights were 25 watt just to use as an example, those could be exempt regardless

1323
01:34:05,340 --> 01:34:06,360
of where they are on the property.

1324
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:12,740
If that's the direction you want to give us, if it's low-loom in 25, equivalent of 25 watts,

1325
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:20,240
That's easier to write in than starting to deal with where they are, what style they are,

1326
01:34:21,340 --> 01:34:25,740
whether you're 20 feet away from your neighbor, or you live in the middle of 100 acres.

1327
01:34:27,340 --> 01:34:34,020
Because with the higher lumens in dark sky, you're no longer respecting your comprehensive

1328
01:34:34,020 --> 01:34:34,340
plan.

1329
01:34:34,340 --> 01:34:35,380
Are we concerned with them?

1330
01:34:35,580 --> 01:34:41,580
For example, if they're off most of the time, does that need any of the requirements so

1331
01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:46,100
they're not, if they're 60 watts, but they're all holding the alarm until somebody walks

1332
01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:46,560
outside.

1333
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:48,840
So they're motion detected?

1334
01:34:49,420 --> 01:34:52,600
Well, when you hit the switch, you walk outside, you hit the switch, come back in, not

1335
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:53,620
necessarily motion detected.

1336
01:34:55,780 --> 01:34:56,880
Give us direction.

1337
01:34:57,020 --> 01:34:57,820
If that's what you want.

1338
01:34:58,020 --> 01:34:58,340
I know.

1339
01:34:58,620 --> 01:34:59,260
We'll write it.

1340
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:04,840
But we are struggling with it because we're trying to achieve a goal that you set.

1341
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:10,400
I mean really it seems simple to me all I know when you write these things it's

1342
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:15,520
absolutely not and I I empathize and I appreciate what you guys are doing

1343
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:20,740
every day but for me you know if you're gonna leave your lights on they can't

1344
01:35:20,740 --> 01:35:24,440
be above a certain angle they have shining down on your property not into your

1345
01:35:24,440 --> 01:35:29,360
neighbor's property and if you have other lights on that you know around your

1346
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:33,320
house a low woman's it'd be fine but as long as they're not left out all the

1347
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:38,080
time I'm fine with that too. But you say all around your property they could

1348
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:43,980
be along your neighbor's property lines. And your neighbor I don't care. If you're

1349
01:35:43,980 --> 01:35:48,720
putting it if you want to put it at your own house and keep yourself awake that's

1350
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:49,360
I think it's just one question.

1351
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:52,220
I think I'm just going to get a second.

1352
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:54,300
I think it would turn my life away.

1353
01:35:54,660 --> 01:36:01,420
The downlining on top of my house, it would be more impactful

1354
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,340
against what I really have in the neighbors' house.

1355
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:10,540
But if I did, it would be more impactful than having the lights

1356
01:36:10,540 --> 01:36:12,820
that I have which point directly at my house.

1357
01:36:12,900 --> 01:36:15,000
But they're not pointing away from, they're not pointing

1358
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:23,600
I don't know if you can't see my life, but how would you, I see how would you have a raised

1359
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:23,880
time?

1360
01:36:25,020 --> 01:36:30,640
Yeah, I've been sitting, Linda's listening to this and it sounds to me like we're trying

1361
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:36,400
to create an ordinance that can't be enforced and if you can't be enforced, that's because

1362
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:37,360
people don't want it.

1363
01:36:37,900 --> 01:36:38,780
And it's no secret.

1364
01:36:39,580 --> 01:36:40,020
Yeah.

1365
01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:48,360
Yeah, and I'm going to help help in one of the candidates on our campaign and probably

1366
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:52,760
spoke to about 300 people to be honest and we discussed the things that are going

1367
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,760
on in the town and this subject always comes up and the three words that I continuously

1368
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:01,840
hear from people whether they're Republican or Democrat or what party it is that's onerous

1369
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:03,160
over reach or ridiculous.

1370
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,760
This is what we hear from the people in the town.

1371
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,540
We're trying to give the people something that they don't want.

1372
01:37:08,540 --> 01:37:11,800
But, you know, we talk about shining a light in the summer's window, everybody agrees

1373
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:12,640
you shouldn't do that.

1374
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,420
But after that, people live up here because they want to be in a country and they want

1375
01:37:16,420 --> 01:37:17,120
to be left alone.

1376
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:21,340
And they don't want onerous city rules coming down on top of them.

1377
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,960
And that sounds like what we're trying to do here is make people do something that they

1378
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:25,640
don't want to do.

1379
01:37:25,780 --> 01:37:27,400
It's like a governmental control.

1380
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:29,520
And that's what a lot of people have got away from.

1381
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:34,360
Well, with all due respect, we're in the middle of a public hearing, and we haven't heard

1382
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:41,300
that from anybody, I keep asking you, do you have anybody to report for the public hearing?

1383
01:37:42,180 --> 01:37:47,400
Well, you have to acknowledge it and state it as part of the public hearing if there

1384
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:48,480
are people opposed to it.

1385
01:37:48,580 --> 01:37:53,880
The only way we're going to know, and we're going to learn from it to try to rewrite this.

1386
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:59,360
But I mean, to say it's going to be onerous, expensive, and there's hundreds of people

1387
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:03,700
opposed to it, where were they when you put it into the comprehensive plan?

1388
01:38:03,700 --> 01:38:03,780
Yeah.

1389
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,240
It was embraced and it was adopted.

1390
01:38:07,420 --> 01:38:11,080
The way you implement it can be a little overreaching.

1391
01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:13,640
It costs us difficult.

1392
01:38:13,940 --> 01:38:15,820
Nobody wants to write these regulations.

1393
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:18,400
Nobody wants to write any kind of regulations.

1394
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:24,180
But at the end of the day, we know that they're needed because the average person, whether

1395
01:38:24,180 --> 01:38:29,900
you're protecting the water we drink or the air that we breathe, things you do on your

1396
01:38:29,900 --> 01:38:32,940
property can impact your neighbors.

1397
01:38:33,660 --> 01:38:36,860
And not everyone realizes what those impacts are,

1398
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,380
even when it comes to lighting.

1399
01:38:38,820 --> 01:38:40,680
Because I've had a lot of people say to me,

1400
01:38:41,340 --> 01:38:42,980
I can't call the building inspector.

1401
01:38:43,260 --> 01:38:44,260
I'm not going to say anything.

1402
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:45,620
I'm too afraid to say anything.

1403
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:49,200
But I don't like, you know, lights coming at me

1404
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:53,040
or noises that I hear, or, you know, it's difficult.

1405
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:54,440
It goes both ways.

1406
01:38:54,820 --> 01:38:57,360
There are people who don't like, it cuts both ways.

1407
01:38:57,660 --> 01:38:57,960
Absolutely.

1408
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:03,440
I think we're trying to write something that you're comfortable with anything any interference from neighbors

1409
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:08,560
so I want all my lights. I don't want my neighbors to have it. I want to make all the noise over my neighbors.

1410
01:39:08,820 --> 01:39:13,020
Look, I appreciate that aspect of it but my concern is just trying to

1411
01:39:13,820 --> 01:39:19,760
manage it from a building because nobody's going to comply or have the people are going to comply and then we're stuck with.

1412
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:25,000
Well, if we if you're saying we don't have enforcement, then the town needs to do something about that.

1413
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:26,160
No, no, no.

1414
01:39:26,300 --> 01:39:27,860
I think the other thing is because-

1415
01:39:27,860 --> 01:39:28,100
The other thing is because-

1416
01:39:28,100 --> 01:39:30,040
There's no sense that we keep on coming back to the city.

1417
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:31,060
This is a stupid law.

1418
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,860
Yeah, it's gotten to the point where we're giving the building

1419
01:39:34,860 --> 01:39:37,860
inspector way too much work that nobody's going to comply with.

1420
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:41,020
And when we get to that point, it's ridiculous to try to-

1421
01:39:41,020 --> 01:39:42,960
The building department has had way too much work.

1422
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:44,920
Look at all of the trees that have been coming down.

1423
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,640
The wetlands that have been disturbed and he hasn't been on top of those.

1424
01:39:47,740 --> 01:39:49,560
Well, that was because he has too much work.

1425
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:51,740
And he hasn't been getting out there.

1426
01:39:51,860 --> 01:39:53,580
And that's not a reason.

1427
01:39:53,580 --> 01:39:59,400
And he was there October to not have regulations. That's a different issue. The town boy is going to have to deal with

1428
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:05,740
More just after we hear from the way she's this is not going to happen that way, okay

1429
01:40:07,020 --> 01:40:13,580
Give us direction is exactly what you want in times the spotlight shouldn't be facing the neighbor's property

1430
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,900
It should be at an angle down. That's all I care about

1431
01:40:17,900 --> 01:40:21,660
I don't care about a lot of the other stuff we can put it in there as guidance

1432
01:40:21,660 --> 01:40:25,760
but there's no way the building spectre is going to go around the 2,000 homes and say,

1433
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:31,000
okay, that's a 30 watt light bulb or the neighbors going to call out and say he has 325 watt

1434
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:37,300
light bulbs or he has, I have 3 watt LED bulbs which equate to the lumens, it's not going

1435
01:40:37,300 --> 01:40:41,820
to happen, the guy is not going to do it and nobody is going to comply because my lights

1436
01:40:41,820 --> 01:40:43,620
are up 99% of the time.

1437
01:40:44,660 --> 01:40:46,880
I just, so I'm in violation of the ordinance.

1438
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:49,620
Does it make any sense to start with guidance?

1439
01:40:52,130 --> 01:40:53,270
What do you mean guidance?

1440
01:40:54,270 --> 01:40:54,910
You just said it.

1441
01:40:54,970 --> 01:40:57,210
I've been saying the same thing since we started this.

1442
01:40:57,350 --> 01:41:00,410
And the first time I looked at it, I said, why is the lighting in there?

1443
01:41:00,870 --> 01:41:03,190
And Cynthia said, that's so you guys can cut it out.

1444
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:04,350
Right?

1445
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:05,410
That the Christmas stuff.

1446
01:41:05,410 --> 01:41:05,830
I'm sorry.

1447
01:41:06,170 --> 01:41:06,890
Oh, no.

1448
01:41:07,310 --> 01:41:08,770
You ask those are your words, right?

1449
01:41:09,050 --> 01:41:09,850
Excuse me.

1450
01:41:10,290 --> 01:41:12,730
The Christmas lights are still in there.

1451
01:41:13,290 --> 01:41:16,710
As an exception, we put in a time frame.

1452
01:41:17,190 --> 01:41:19,150
And you decided you didn't want a time frame.

1453
01:41:19,150 --> 01:41:24,910
And what my comment to you was we put everything in so that you can see the full breath of it and

1454
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:32,170
You it's a lot easier for you to pull back rather than say I want more in I want to regulate more

1455
01:41:32,770 --> 01:41:35,290
It's there for you to consider

1456
01:41:35,290 --> 01:41:45,890
I completely agree my problem is 2000 homes are not going to comply and there's no way we're going to make them comply

1457
01:41:45,890 --> 01:41:48,590
It doesn't matter whether we get 50 code officers

1458
01:41:48,590 --> 01:41:54,610
So nobody on this board will be in this job in two or three or four years whatever if we go ahead and do

1459
01:41:54,610 --> 01:42:01,750
Something like that what what we're the problem we're trying to fix as a step one is you shouldn't look like

1460
01:42:01,750 --> 01:42:07,370
Stalk 13 with lights all around your property facing your neighbor's property and people do it in spite

1461
01:42:07,370 --> 01:42:12,310
Because I've been in the middle of these these neighbor conversations, you know, I'm not moving mine

1462
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:17,690
I don't have to well, it'd be nice. I don't give a crap. I don't want to be nice. I want to shine it right there window

1463
01:42:19,550 --> 01:42:28,530
That's where these things start, and unfortunately it's a neighbor to neighbor problem and we just need an option to go up and say, hey, you got to drop it down.

1464
01:42:29,010 --> 01:42:33,650
And maybe there's a color scheme, it can't be 6,000 Kelvin or something along those lines.

1465
01:42:34,050 --> 01:42:40,270
But the lights that are on the driveways that go on and off occasionally, I don't have problems with that.

1466
01:42:40,270 --> 01:42:48,830
All right, so we'll write it that says specifically two types of lights, a flood light and a spotlight cannot shine on your neighbor, but any other kind of light can.

1467
01:42:49,770 --> 01:42:57,330
That's the direction you're giving us as a start that may make someone could have a 200 watt fixture.

1468
01:42:58,430 --> 01:43:03,950
Oh, now so now you also want us to everything else you want us to have a lower lumen on.

1469
01:43:04,510 --> 01:43:06,250
Tell us what you want us to.

1470
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:07,830
I can't shine lights on your neighbor.

1471
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:14,570
period. Well, then the light on your house is shooting at your neighbor. You can't just

1472
01:43:14,570 --> 01:43:19,050
sit. You can't. So whatever you have to do. The light is your front door. The light

1473
01:43:19,050 --> 01:43:23,130
and go straight out. It's going to your neighbor's property. Now you're saying you can't have

1474
01:43:23,130 --> 01:43:30,170
that. Oh, no. That's ridiculous. So tell me. I agree. But you just said you can't have

1475
01:43:30,170 --> 01:43:36,230
light shining at your neighbor. So tell me what kind of lights do you not want to go on

1476
01:43:36,230 --> 01:43:41,930
your name. We need hot lights and flood lights. We need to use common sense. Okay, what's

1477
01:43:41,930 --> 01:43:48,950
not what's not fighting over with not fight over the semantics. Right. We all know what we want.

1478
01:43:49,250 --> 01:43:54,890
Someone on this board, the last time we had a public hearing, said, you know, it's it's like when

1479
01:43:54,890 --> 01:44:01,770
the Supreme Court said, could not define pornography, but everybody knows what it is. Let's use common

1480
01:44:01,770 --> 01:44:03,290
in sense here, okay?

1481
01:44:03,730 --> 01:44:06,330
It's not get symmetrical because we all know what we want.

1482
01:44:07,190 --> 01:44:08,890
You guys, you know what we want.

1483
01:44:09,250 --> 01:44:10,250
No, excuse me.

1484
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:14,310
I actually don't, because if, let me finish,

1485
01:44:14,510 --> 01:44:16,390
the lantern that you just talked about,

1486
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:18,310
what if it was a 200 watt light bulb?

1487
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:20,770
Is that acceptable?

1488
01:44:21,130 --> 01:44:21,530
What it is?

1489
01:44:21,950 --> 01:44:23,710
You can't shine it against your neighbor's property.

1490
01:44:23,770 --> 01:44:29,070
No, I have the post like a town hall, the lantern.

1491
01:44:29,070 --> 01:44:35,990
I happen to have it 10 feet from my neighbor's property line, and I choose to have 200 watt light bulbs in it. That's okay.

1492
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:38,890
Is it shining and everything?

1493
01:44:39,470 --> 01:44:40,130
Yes, it's the light.

1494
01:44:40,430 --> 01:44:40,770
It's not okay.

1495
01:44:42,350 --> 01:44:46,010
Then you're saying you want a full cutoff light.

1496
01:44:47,410 --> 01:44:53,870
I'm sorry, but tell me how it's different if it's close to your neighbor and it's shining on their property.

1497
01:44:55,790 --> 01:44:59,710
We are trying to write something maybe you just can't do it

1498
01:45:00,180 --> 01:45:09,200
If you're gonna, Areal you, every little thing? Then we may the senate. No, I'm not arguing. I'm looking for direction If it is?

1499
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:29,350
That's just éqilven of 50 watts or 60 watts. Was is it okay? It is going to connect it is going to the light is going to go out because of the type of fixture. Yeah, but if they lighte is low enough, is that okay? Keep its 60 watts a lower?

1500
01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:36,550
I think give us a number something that says spots and floods can't turn on your neighbor's

1501
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:36,890
property.

1502
01:45:36,890 --> 01:45:37,190
Okay.

1503
01:45:37,550 --> 01:45:42,330
These are the guidance that we would give you for everything else and we may come back

1504
01:45:42,330 --> 01:45:46,510
and change the legislation because I want to do it for

1505
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:50,680
what for changing things.

1506
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:54,640
I don't know, let's say you put on someone's blood like you should do whatever you want

1507
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:55,460
to come up.

1508
01:45:56,420 --> 01:45:57,600
Well, it was a bit...

1509
01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:58,200
Wait, wait a second.

1510
01:45:58,360 --> 01:45:58,960
Wait a minute.

1511
01:45:59,040 --> 01:45:59,940
Look at that or hand.

1512
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:01,320
That's for a while now or 12.

1513
01:46:01,480 --> 01:46:04,920
And also, Tom Christopher online has a question as well.

1514
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:05,940
So he should probably be next.

1515
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:06,880
I'll have to move to make.

1516
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:12,400
Well, I tend to agree with Mr. Galasano and Mr. Lucas.

1517
01:46:13,260 --> 01:46:14,340
These are onerous.

1518
01:46:14,580 --> 01:46:15,600
They're overbearing.

1519
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:19,200
They're not going to be paid attention to by any of the residents.

1520
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:23,020
And if you made us do this, we would have to spend money.

1521
01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:28,020
And Mr. Lucas even said at the last town board meeting, the town isn't in compliance.

1522
01:46:28,020 --> 01:46:31,200
We'll have to spend thousands of dollars to make it in compliance.

1523
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:36,960
We may want to do that anyway, because I feel very sorry for the people down on our town hall.

1524
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:38,900
But if I look at that, I'm very sorry for the people down on our town hall.

1525
01:46:38,900 --> 01:46:40,600
Okay, so I have a question.

1526
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,920
What are you defining as dark sky?

1527
01:46:44,180 --> 01:46:46,360
Not dark sky compliant lighting.

1528
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:52,040
But what is the planning board defining as dark sky?

1529
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:54,820
When you say planning board, it's the, look, they're doing the job.

1530
01:46:54,820 --> 01:46:55,320
Or the town.

1531
01:46:55,940 --> 01:46:56,580
What is the town?

1532
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:01,720
This is, we tried noise ordinances for years and everything came down to a reasonable person.

1533
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:06,980
And it all fell apart because when you end up with these issues, the neighbors are not reasonable, right?

1534
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:12,020
So we're at the same thing here. We're trying to solve a problem and it's a neighbor neighbor problem.

1535
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:13,800
And I know I'm sure it goes both ways.

1536
01:47:16,100 --> 01:47:21,980
The reason I ask is there actually is a measurement for this, okay?

1537
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:24,040
It's called the Bortle Scale.

1538
01:47:24,580 --> 01:47:27,120
Do we want to be completely dark?

1539
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:28,560
Is that our goal?

1540
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:32,480
Is that the goal of the town to be completely dark?

1541
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:39,740
Because the Bortle Scale is the amount of light pollution in a town and it's usually used

1542
01:47:39,740 --> 01:47:42,120
by astronomers that want to look at stars.

1543
01:47:42,980 --> 01:47:44,720
And it goes from one to nine.

1544
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,360
New York City is a nine, the most light.

1545
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:48,660
We're a four.

1546
01:47:49,140 --> 01:47:50,340
I think that's pretty good.

1547
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:52,660
You know, when you get off 6.84

1548
01:47:52,660 --> 01:47:55,300
and you drive down hardscrable, it is dark.

1549
01:47:55,740 --> 01:47:57,100
You have to put your brides on.

1550
01:47:57,480 --> 01:47:58,980
And when you get to that intersection

1551
01:47:58,980 --> 01:48:01,740
of June and hardscrable, you thank God

1552
01:48:01,740 --> 01:48:03,440
that there is actually a street lamp there

1553
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:04,140
so you can see.

1554
01:48:05,340 --> 01:48:07,920
So the problem we're trying to solve

1555
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:11,520
And the only reason we even started down this is because we have neighbors.

1556
01:48:12,380 --> 01:48:13,820
No, I understand that.

1557
01:48:13,860 --> 01:48:19,100
There are these lights for six, seven years asking us to please do something and we're going in circles.

1558
01:48:19,340 --> 01:48:24,600
So write a law very specific to that because also I have another question.

1559
01:48:25,220 --> 01:48:25,660
The schools.

1560
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:33,140
So how are we ever going to be dark sky when the schools are lit up, both schools, PQ and the high school, complete?

1561
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:35,820
And they have to be for security reasons.

1562
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:36,940
And that's another thing.

1563
01:48:36,940 --> 01:48:40,740
Some residents want lights on for security reasons.

1564
01:48:40,980 --> 01:48:45,740
I have to tell you, when my husband's not home and I'm home at night by myself, I put the lights on.

1565
01:48:46,660 --> 01:48:47,080
Outside?

1566
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:48,900
Yes, outside.

1567
01:48:49,420 --> 01:48:51,420
Doesn't necessarily make you safer.

1568
01:48:52,220 --> 01:48:56,300
Well, I feel safer and I think a lot of seniors would feel safer.

1569
01:48:56,860 --> 01:49:02,520
But this is overbearing and too much and you can't even understand most of it.

1570
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,320
And the holiday lights should be out completely.

1571
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:11,300
As Mr. Kamenstein said, it might actually be an infringement on First Amendment rights.

1572
01:49:11,300 --> 01:49:15,100
A completely excluded, not just reasonable?

1573
01:49:15,340 --> 01:49:16,340
They are excluded.

1574
01:49:16,700 --> 01:49:17,320
Then thank you.

1575
01:49:17,340 --> 01:49:18,360
That's why it's written in there.

1576
01:49:18,660 --> 01:49:19,300
They're excluded.

1577
01:49:20,060 --> 01:49:24,100
Well, there is written in there for a reasonable period of time.

1578
01:49:24,100 --> 01:49:25,600
It's not completely excluded.

1579
01:49:25,780 --> 01:49:28,640
If they were excluded, there would not even be a paragraph.

1580
01:49:28,980 --> 01:49:30,360
Or there would be one sentence.

1581
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:32,560
Holiday lights are excluded, period.

1582
01:49:32,980 --> 01:49:34,140
What it's going to say.

1583
01:49:34,460 --> 01:49:36,220
Okay, thank you.

1584
01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:41,770
Holiday lights could be a lot of flood lights.

1585
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:43,170
Don't agree with me.

1586
01:49:43,570 --> 01:49:44,030
Yeah, it's a question.

1587
01:49:44,450 --> 01:49:44,890
Tom.

1588
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:47,350
Did you want to say something?

1589
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:47,690
Oh, hi.

1590
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:52,190
Yeah, well, I want to applaud your common sense.

1591
01:49:52,450 --> 01:49:54,230
Warren and Howard.

1592
01:49:54,570 --> 01:49:55,430
This is okay.

1593
01:49:55,630 --> 01:49:56,650
I'll let you go and then I'll talk.

1594
01:49:57,410 --> 01:49:57,890
I apologize.

1595
01:49:58,210 --> 01:49:58,610
Yeah, yeah.

1596
01:49:59,530 --> 01:50:01,350
I'll give you enough rope to hang.

1597
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:09,170
It's so far down our list of problems, and I can just speak for Crote and Falls.

1598
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:14,350
We're lucky to find that any kind of light bulb to replace a light that's gone out and

1599
01:50:14,350 --> 01:50:14,870
you put it in.

1600
01:50:14,970 --> 01:50:19,750
You don't look at the Kelvin's or the wattage, and we need lighting for security.

1601
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:25,430
We need lighting for people going by and acknowledging a business, and everything is working fine.

1602
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:28,210
And if something is annoying to a neighbor,

1603
01:50:28,370 --> 01:50:31,170
I mean, we had a show up in those trucks with some lights

1604
01:50:31,170 --> 01:50:34,450
and boat came by and he was really tired to hate Tom

1605
01:50:34,450 --> 01:50:36,750
to go, I get it, I get it, we'll turn the lights down.

1606
01:50:37,250 --> 01:50:39,210
So everybody gets along really well.

1607
01:50:39,410 --> 01:50:41,330
I mean, things are going so smoothly.

1608
01:50:41,630 --> 01:50:42,930
I think you're right.

1609
01:50:43,070 --> 01:50:45,610
Address the neighbor that, and I just

1610
01:50:45,610 --> 01:50:48,750
learned this phrase from you guys, weaponizing Christmas.

1611
01:50:49,150 --> 01:50:52,690
If somebody's really having a Santa ashing a neighbor,

1612
01:50:52,830 --> 01:50:53,570
go after him.

1613
01:50:53,570 --> 01:50:57,710
But I think everybody else, it's so far down a list of problems.

1614
01:50:58,070 --> 01:51:03,890
It doesn't warrant the attention of a board and plan review and news.

1615
01:51:04,330 --> 01:51:07,810
And I should back this work on this issue, Tom, because it's not a simple thing.

1616
01:51:07,810 --> 01:51:10,830
And I should have even raised my voice before and I do apologize.

1617
01:51:11,130 --> 01:51:15,790
But I keep on going back to the noise legislation we tried to do many years ago,

1618
01:51:15,790 --> 01:51:21,490
which was an abomination just to try to figure out because it all came down a reasonable list.

1619
01:51:22,170 --> 01:51:27,370
And those situations that I think I'm just trying to resolve right now with some legislation is very simple.

1620
01:51:28,130 --> 01:51:33,710
How do we stop? How do we give the building inspector enough clouds or you can go up to one or two homes and say,

1621
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:37,510
you can't do this when something else comes up, you can go look and say, you can't do that.

1622
01:51:38,930 --> 01:51:45,710
And that's really what I was looking for. There's a bunch of value in the rest of it, but I don't think we can manage it. That's the problem.

1623
01:51:46,970 --> 01:52:04,410
So if we run as a supply to the business district, these lighting wheels that it doesn't really I mean, well, I don't think the business is subject to site plan review, which is dark sky could policy your stuff is already spent like that for years.

1624
01:52:05,130 --> 01:52:11,670
Yeah. All the lights down there are dark sky complaining. I think I showed some one or two pictures

1625
01:52:11,670 --> 01:52:16,590
in the past. I don't have it right. It's someplace on my machine. But literally the homes that

1626
01:52:16,590 --> 01:52:22,550
we've been asked to look at as examples of things that the neighbors did not want. It's pretty

1627
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:27,990
horrific. I would not want to live next to them. Warren, I'm going to ask you for direction again.

1628
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:34,830
What is a reasonable loom in for any light left on at night?

1629
01:52:35,610 --> 01:52:41,770
Because if we just say you can't shine a spotlight or a flood light at your neighbor

1630
01:52:41,770 --> 01:52:47,770
and they turn around and put up five or six lantern lights along their property line

1631
01:52:47,770 --> 01:52:52,210
with the equivalent of a hundred and fifty two hundred watt light bulb in it,

1632
01:52:52,430 --> 01:52:54,030
we haven't achieved anything.

1633
01:52:54,030 --> 01:52:56,330
with the reflector behind it.

1634
01:52:56,730 --> 01:53:00,330
So give us direction is to, if they come back

1635
01:53:00,330 --> 01:53:02,790
at their neighbor with an alternative,

1636
01:53:03,050 --> 01:53:04,230
that's not a flood or a spot.

1637
01:53:05,110 --> 01:53:10,100
But this is what we're just trying to figure out

1638
01:53:10,100 --> 01:53:12,260
how to get this to work.

1639
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,200
Did you want to say something there?

1640
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:22,520
I do.

1641
01:53:22,780 --> 01:53:26,800
I mean, I guess you can feel the frustration there.

1642
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:32,860
the idea is that there's this directive to give the building inspector tools to be able to

1643
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:38,760
resolve these kinds of conflicts. I mean, everybody sees how complex this is. Yeah,

1644
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:45,160
if you just look at common sense and common decency, you'd think, yeah, don't be a jerk,

1645
01:53:45,340 --> 01:53:49,220
don't shine lights in people's windows. But as soon as you start trying to legislate,

1646
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:53,920
the number of vectors and the degree of technicality with, you know,

1647
01:53:53,920 --> 01:54:08,300
You know, filaments, light sources, shading, angles, you know, which direction lights are facing is just way too complicated to normalize any kind of sets of regulations that make sense across all these different situations.

1648
01:54:08,900 --> 01:54:21,660
So perhaps there's a different set of tools that you can give to the building inspector to be able to help resolve these conflicts without creating a set of necessarily overly complex legislation.

1649
01:54:21,660 --> 01:54:23,520
Is there some other alternative?

1650
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:24,620
Is there some way to give him some?

1651
01:54:24,740 --> 01:54:28,420
We need to have a rule that we need to have a law in town.

1652
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:33,700
And I don't think Zany else can do other than having some zoning code of some type that, yeah.

1653
01:54:35,620 --> 01:54:40,480
So we need something and it shouldn't be this.

1654
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:42,840
We shouldn't all have to disagree like this.

1655
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:48,520
But I think we want something that will allow him to deal with the problems and not force everybody to comply.

1656
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:58,820
You know, the problem was that he mentioned the easement the other day and he went over there and said he can't do this and of course the person blew up and said the neighbor is doing it and I'm going to do it also.

1657
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:03,260
And so he slept the violation on him, but that's what's going to happen.

1658
01:55:03,540 --> 01:55:12,200
They're doing it. I'm doing it yell at them first and when you get a few hundred people doing that it becomes completely completely unmanageable.

1659
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:17,980
And what I would love to do is give people guidance so that over a period of time they

1660
01:55:17,980 --> 01:55:20,860
can start looking at different light bulbs or even suggesting different things.

1661
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:26,540
One of the things I do, if I have fixtures that have bulbs down and I did it at the annex

1662
01:55:26,540 --> 01:55:33,080
I place the light over there, I put a spotlight, a little, you know, one of these, a little

1663
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:39,100
spotlight pointing down in a fixture that normally goes sideways just because it minimizes

1664
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:44,340
the light and focus it basically where you're walking. So, you know, there are little things like that

1665
01:55:44,340 --> 01:55:50,180
that you can very easily do and it solves a lot of problems and it's not a big deal. But to come

1666
01:55:50,180 --> 01:55:54,200
down and say, you shall do this or you need to change a picture or for us to say it needs to be,

1667
01:55:54,980 --> 01:56:00,200
you know, what? I don't like very blue lights. I don't like very high kelvin lights.

1668
01:56:01,260 --> 01:56:06,080
You know, what's aluminum? Well, aluminum is dependent on how much ends up over there if I reflect

1669
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:12,280
the three watt LED bulb in that direction so you know 100 to 360 degrees goes

1670
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:17,840
that way it's obviously a much more intense than a 10 watt LED bulb right so

1671
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:22,760
as I you start writing these things down specifically and it gets you find out

1672
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:26,600
you know people are going okay well I can put a shade on here and put a mirror

1673
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:30,860
behind it and still screw the guy next door I think that's not what we're trying to

1674
01:56:30,860 --> 01:56:32,660
to do figure out ways to get around the code.

1675
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:38,980
I point to, there was a guy up in the former superintendent

1676
01:56:38,980 --> 01:56:40,420
of highways up in the town of southeast.

1677
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:42,900
He was driving the town truck around all the time.

1678
01:56:43,580 --> 01:56:46,040
And didn't have any decal for a town of southeast

1679
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:48,420
on it, so the town board said, you shall have a decal

1680
01:56:48,420 --> 01:56:50,400
on your truck at all times.

1681
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:51,820
So where did he put it?

1682
01:56:51,940 --> 01:56:52,900
He stuck it right on top of the roof.

1683
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:56,080
And then the next board meeting, they said,

1684
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:59,420
that you shall have a decal on your truck

1685
01:56:59,420 --> 01:57:01,180
and it will be on your driver's side door.

1686
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:02,620
And so where did he put it?

1687
01:57:02,660 --> 01:57:04,220
He put it on the inside of the driver's side door.

1688
01:57:05,100 --> 01:57:07,180
And the next time they said, OK, you have to have it,

1689
01:57:07,220 --> 01:57:08,460
and it has to be on the outside of the door.

1690
01:57:08,860 --> 01:57:11,480
Well, he put it on the outside door, and it was that big.

1691
01:57:12,660 --> 01:57:14,740
And by the fifth or sixth time, they kind of got it right.

1692
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:16,500
And then he finally got rid of them.

1693
01:57:16,580 --> 01:57:18,120
But I mean, that's what happens when

1694
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:19,340
you put some of these things together.

1695
01:57:19,340 --> 01:57:21,340
And that's what I'm afraid of, you know,

1696
01:57:21,500 --> 01:57:23,020
how many watts and how many lumens.

1697
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:25,560
And I can get around all that stuff with a couple of mirrors

1698
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:28,820
and, you know, LED efficiency things or whatever.

1699
01:57:28,820 --> 01:57:31,120
So I'm a little reluctant to go there.

1700
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:34,200
You know, the light shouldn't be shining.

1701
01:57:34,460 --> 01:57:38,220
You shouldn't have these type of lights shining directly on people because they really focus the beam.

1702
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:43,400
And maybe you shouldn't be using anything that focuses the beam of light onto your neighbor's property.

1703
01:57:44,140 --> 01:57:49,140
And yeah, you shouldn't be putting in 2000 watt, you know, mercury vapor lights pointing at your neighbor either.

1704
01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:53,520
But some place in there we need a certain amount of reasonableness

1705
01:57:54,380 --> 01:58:07,340
And something that's easy and not something that everybody isn't going to be in trouble with, I guess, that they're going to be a violation because if 90% of the people on a violation, nobody's going to fix it.

1706
01:58:07,620 --> 01:58:10,040
They're all going to say, you know, to hell with you, I'm not changing it.

1707
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:15,960
Well, what if only 10 percent? I mean, I hear a lot of you know, guesswork being thrown out there when

1708
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:20,840
What we're trying to do is to get you to help us

1709
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:28,620
What you want to achieve? We know you want floodlights and spotlights to not shine on neighbors

1710
01:58:29,700 --> 01:58:38,820
We're suggesting that people make may have other things that may be equally offensive and maybe you can regulate them by

1711
01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:41,220
the amount of light.

1712
01:58:42,360 --> 01:58:46,040
You're not going to say you can't have your lights on at 1 o'clock in the morning,

1713
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:49,640
but they shouldn't be over the equivalent of a 60 watt bulb.

1714
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:56,200
Tell us if all you want to do is regulate two types of lights,

1715
01:58:57,700 --> 01:58:59,620
spotlights and floodlights pointed at someone,

1716
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:02,160
or do you want to regulate lighting in general,

1717
01:59:02,420 --> 01:59:07,640
that could be cast more on your neighbor's property rather than your own,

1718
01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:09,560
or equally on your neighbor's property.

1719
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:16,000
It's probably one or two things you can go besides just spotlights or lights with reflective

1720
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:18,060
things that shine the light on neighbor's property.

1721
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:24,020
I mean, you could probably go a little bit broader than that, but right now I need to get

1722
01:59:24,020 --> 01:59:27,380
that out so we can control a few problems that we have.

1723
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:32,840
And maybe we come back in six months and say, okay, we really meant to do this and change

1724
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:33,600
it just a little bit.

1725
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:40,340
So that's all you want to say is that no light, no spotlights or floodlights can be directed at your neighbor's property

1726
01:59:40,340 --> 01:59:47,300
That's it. I think we got that that would be 90% of our problem and granted that the person sits there and takes you know tapered mirrors

1727
01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:51,200
And put them together in a nice 70-degree angle with a

1728
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:57,360
Okay, they're playing with the rules in that point and we have to maybe address a little bit better

1729
01:59:57,360 --> 01:59:59,440
But I think the building is expected to go

1730
02:00:03,340 --> 02:00:29,260
So who's going to decide the equivalent, the building inspector? So how is he going to do that? I mean, you know, this is the, we're trying to help you be a little more specific. But I think what we have with the legislation is something that is not manageable by the town. And you can say we need a code enforcement officer, but I would not hire a code enforcement officer to go out and spend his entire day going from house to house to house to house.

1731
02:00:29,260 --> 02:00:31,440
and say, you know, this lighting isn't correct.

1732
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:33,040
That's a waste of everybody's money.

1733
02:00:33,120 --> 02:00:35,340
And no one is suggesting that that happened.

1734
02:00:35,460 --> 02:00:37,060
I don't know anything about my paragraphs

1735
02:00:37,060 --> 02:00:39,740
from my house there, but over Peach Lake on the shore.

1736
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:41,420
And looking at the guy on the other side

1737
02:00:41,420 --> 02:00:43,280
who has this spotlight shining out on the lake,

1738
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:45,020
I just don't like it.

1739
02:00:45,660 --> 02:00:47,360
And it's shining at our, right?

1740
02:00:47,540 --> 02:00:49,900
So at some point in time, it becomes ridiculous.

1741
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:53,100
Well, even our E911 numbers,

1742
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:55,680
we don't have enforcement of those.

1743
02:00:56,340 --> 02:01:03,060
So, and that's even a more critical piece of legislation that should be enforced.

1744
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:13,760
That one is hurt you've been okay I know I know I'm not trying to be nasty I just

1745
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:18,640
isn't your issue more with houses that are close to each other no you're on

1746
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:23,720
the biggest dates also what do you see make a profit like you're watching do

1747
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:25,000
everything to tweak a lot for now.

1748
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,040
Oh, that'll go over real well.

1749
02:01:28,660 --> 02:01:29,340
Yeah, I mean,

1750
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:37,700
yeah, before we pass from Tom and Don,

1751
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:40,600
did you guys complete your comments?

1752
02:01:44,190 --> 02:01:45,390
I think you're on mute.

1753
02:01:46,030 --> 02:01:47,430
Just want to make sure you said

1754
02:01:47,430 --> 02:01:49,410
everything you wanted to say.

1755
02:01:51,980 --> 02:01:53,080
Martin, I'm sorry.

1756
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:54,020
I didn't catch it.

1757
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:56,380
Just want to make sure that you completed your comments.

1758
02:01:56,380 --> 02:01:58,780
Of course, you offered some comments

1759
02:01:58,780 --> 02:02:03,300
and then the conversation went in a different direction.

1760
02:02:03,460 --> 02:02:07,440
Perfectly happy, it sounds like a real one

1761
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:09,880
respects the need for lighting in the town

1762
02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:13,580
to both acknowledge business and for safety.

1763
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:16,440
So it's, we're just concerned with the town.

1764
02:02:16,580 --> 02:02:20,200
We live in South Salem, so we don't have opinions

1765
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:21,200
on anything else.

1766
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:25,220
But just having lighting in front of the world,

1767
02:02:25,220 --> 02:02:30,100
And businesses helps, it's wonderful to have, I don't think it should be regulated,

1768
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:36,340
there's so many other issues to deal with it, thank you guys are using great common

1769
02:02:36,340 --> 02:02:36,660
sense.

1770
02:02:37,900 --> 02:02:44,400
Yeah, so Warren, I mean, and look, I appreciate the work everybody's done, and I'm not frustrated

1771
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:49,120
anybody, it's just, it seems that there should be a simple way doing this without causing

1772
02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:52,220
the town to go crazy trying to manage it.

1773
02:02:52,220 --> 02:03:01,700
We can't resolve, I mean, the idea was to try to, you know, regulate all possible manifestations of a problem.

1774
02:03:02,540 --> 02:03:11,160
And we can't resolve right now whether or not that's reasonable or not, whether we're going overboard or not.

1775
02:03:11,900 --> 02:03:18,480
So I think at this point there are people out there who are suffering specific problems.

1776
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:25,740
And let's deal with that, you know, I think there's different ways to look at how you

1777
02:03:25,740 --> 02:03:26,440
legislate.

1778
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:33,040
In this circumstance, I think we need to be mindful of what we're hearing and try to

1779
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:39,600
direct something at the problem that we know this and offer the rest of these guidelines

1780
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:48,460
as guidance, you know, for people that, you know, want to, you know, tailor activities appropriately.

1781
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:56,620
But, you know, like I'd say let's cut to the chase here because we have people that are suffering

1782
02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:04,760
under terrible circumstances and we need finally to address those problems.

1783
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:12,320
and or I'm the building inspector with something narrowly tailored to prevent those abuses.

1784
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:14,280
Is that the case that's exactly what Warren suggested?

1785
02:04:14,620 --> 02:04:17,620
Yeah, no, I'm totally agreeable with that.

1786
02:04:17,660 --> 02:04:21,700
Well, there may be, you know, Rome's quickly suggested or equivalent, right?

1787
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:25,980
So there's probably something fairly simple that we can do.

1788
02:04:26,180 --> 02:04:29,680
The rest is suggested at this point, this is what you should be doing.

1789
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:33,560
And then we can always change it and make it stronger.

1790
02:04:37,420 --> 02:04:43,160
I don't, as I said, repeat myself again, but I don't see how the code enforcement officer's

1791
02:04:43,160 --> 02:04:43,800
going to deal with this.

1792
02:04:43,860 --> 02:04:44,900
He's not going to deal with this.

1793
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:53,900
I mean, we may be, you know, returning to this subject more than once, sort of similar

1794
02:04:53,900 --> 02:04:59,160
to the policy guidelines we've written for three Owens Road, but there's nothing wrong

1795
02:04:59,160 --> 02:04:59,500
with that.

1796
02:04:59,500 --> 02:05:07,540
like we find out new things, we modify our policy to make it easier, we address a new issue,

1797
02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:12,160
and I think that's just what we're going to have to do here because I don't think we're going to

1798
02:05:12,160 --> 02:05:20,740
resolve the abstract argument about whether aspects of this are reasonable or not, but we know that

1799
02:05:20,740 --> 02:05:26,120
there are specific problems we need to deal with. So my suggestion is, and I think we're in violent

1800
02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:33,700
agreement here. Let's all deal with that. And as you suggest, put the rest forth as

1801
02:05:35,700 --> 02:05:42,360
precutory guidance. And then let's see what other problems manifest if any.

1802
02:05:42,360 --> 02:05:42,360
Is it going

1803
02:05:44,700 --> 02:05:47,520
to be part of the zone?

1804
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:48,400
I don't know.

1805
02:05:48,700 --> 02:05:48,740
I don't know.

1806
02:05:49,340 --> 02:05:50,000
I don't know.

1807
02:05:50,180 --> 02:05:51,700
It's kind of going somewhere.

1808
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:53,700
It's kind of going someplace.

1809
02:05:53,980 --> 02:05:55,260
That's the best place for us.

1810
02:05:58,530 --> 02:06:00,910
Could I just jump in first second?

1811
02:06:01,630 --> 02:06:08,570
I mean, obviously the planning board is going to do what we're directed to do by the town

1812
02:06:08,570 --> 02:06:08,970
board.

1813
02:06:09,170 --> 02:06:16,570
I think this situation has become blown maybe a bit of a portion and maybe a bit politicized.

1814
02:06:16,570 --> 02:06:25,170
But I will go back to basic point, which Cynthia made initially, and that is that as a planning

1815
02:06:25,170 --> 02:06:28,610
war, we don't sit around trying to figure out how to make everyone's life more difficult.

1816
02:06:29,390 --> 02:06:35,150
We look at the zoning, we look at the code, we look at the comprehensive plan, we see where

1817
02:06:35,150 --> 02:06:41,930
the code needs improvement to conform with the intent of the comprehensive plan and we go

1818
02:06:41,930 --> 02:06:42,430
from there.

1819
02:06:42,930 --> 02:06:49,730
So when you put this together that's what we did and dark sky compliance was a goal.

1820
02:06:50,370 --> 02:06:52,690
I guess what we're hearing is we don't want to do that right now.

1821
02:06:52,830 --> 02:06:55,430
Maybe we can look at it again some other time for future.

1822
02:06:55,970 --> 02:07:00,630
We'll look at the immediate problems that exist and solve them.

1823
02:07:01,250 --> 02:07:04,050
And I guess bring this up again in the future.

1824
02:07:04,230 --> 02:07:06,310
I will just say that because of the point of personal privilege.

1825
02:07:07,010 --> 02:07:11,430
I don't find that super satisfying because there's been a lot of time on this as a planning board.

1826
02:07:11,910 --> 02:07:18,810
but that's what we'll do. I mean we we are not the elected governing body here.

1827
02:07:19,190 --> 02:07:23,690
Yeah Chris I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass. I try not to do that but I

1828
02:07:23,690 --> 02:07:26,650
don't see how the town is going to manage it and I think that's the biggest

1829
02:07:26,650 --> 02:07:33,430
problem I have. I'd love to see the town. I'd love to see much more visible light

1830
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:36,950
even though I know some people from security point of view although the lights

1831
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:40,430
go on because they want to be more secure. I don't feel that way. I like no

1832
02:07:40,430 --> 02:07:47,910
lights, but we're trying to resolve a certain number of problems and I think what we're designing

1833
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:52,990
here is something that while it may be a great goal and may match the master plan, the implementation

1834
02:07:52,990 --> 02:08:01,250
is going to be impossible. I really think it's going to be impossible.

1835
02:08:04,740 --> 02:08:14,360
I think that the net net is, I mean that we start out in a smaller way, which is to prohibit

1836
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:18,960
you know, somebody from shining lights directly upon their neighbor's property,

1837
02:08:19,180 --> 02:08:23,200
at their neighbors, and get that rolling.

1838
02:08:23,660 --> 02:08:31,540
And then, you know, consider other things as after we've, you know,

1839
02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:34,500
established this one thing.

1840
02:08:35,020 --> 02:08:36,240
No, it's not eliminated.

1841
02:08:36,460 --> 02:08:43,220
It's not to eliminate the possibility of more comprehensive lighting plan.

1842
02:08:43,220 --> 02:08:49,920
but start with a small step and then, you know, take a look at it and go on, go to the next phase.

1843
02:08:50,400 --> 02:08:56,340
I think we got the message loud and clear. We'll put in the one sentence that the town attorney recommended and be done with it.

1844
02:08:56,440 --> 02:08:57,360
Everything else will come out.

1845
02:08:57,560 --> 02:08:59,320
And actually, you know, it's a one sentence.

1846
02:08:59,320 --> 02:09:00,740
That's it. One sentence.

1847
02:09:01,020 --> 02:09:01,440
First that.

1848
02:09:02,520 --> 02:09:08,140
And this is, I mean, I'm still in this picture that everybody would want

1849
02:09:10,730 --> 02:09:11,390
to order to see.

1850
02:09:11,390 --> 02:09:17,990
That's the house in the neighborhood and the whole thing lights all the way around.

1851
02:09:18,530 --> 02:09:20,290
That's the problem we're trying to solve.

1852
02:09:22,410 --> 02:09:22,950
I'm sorry?

1853
02:09:23,150 --> 02:09:24,070
And that's the board plan.

1854
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:25,890
It was three others.

1855
02:09:26,250 --> 02:09:26,570
It was one.

1856
02:09:26,770 --> 02:09:26,870
Right.

1857
02:09:27,170 --> 02:09:27,310
Yeah.

1858
02:09:29,030 --> 02:09:30,030
No, just one.

1859
02:09:30,230 --> 02:09:32,070
I think we're all on the green.

1860
02:09:32,290 --> 02:09:32,890
It's not much.

1861
02:09:34,110 --> 02:09:35,570
We know what we're doing.

1862
02:09:35,570 --> 02:09:35,870
We know what we're doing.

1863
02:09:36,150 --> 02:09:37,350
That's what we need to do.

1864
02:09:37,550 --> 02:09:38,530
So let's go on the next thing.

1865
02:09:38,910 --> 02:09:39,150
Okay.

1866
02:09:39,450 --> 02:09:40,770
And I thank you very much.

1867
02:09:41,130 --> 02:09:42,510
Again, I don't want to be a painter.

1868
02:09:42,510 --> 02:09:46,880
Yes, we can manage it up to B1.

1869
02:09:48,340 --> 02:09:50,380
Do you want to talk about AEDs?

1870
02:09:51,380 --> 02:09:53,000
Sure, can we need to close the conversation?

1871
02:09:54,100 --> 02:09:55,860
Do I adjourn it?

1872
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:56,860
What do I get with adjourn?

1873
02:09:57,140 --> 02:09:58,980
So I'm going to adjourn the public hearing.

1874
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,980
And we'll go on with the rest of the work session.

1875
02:10:03,160 --> 02:10:04,360
And thank you very much.

1876
02:10:04,500 --> 02:10:06,000
I appreciate all the work.

1877
02:10:06,260 --> 02:10:09,040
I just, like we got to set it up a couple of times.

1878
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:12,280
AEDs is town parks.

1879
02:10:12,280 --> 02:10:22,540
come up here. Let me just get the discussion started. So A.D.'s in town parks is a good

1880
02:10:22,540 --> 02:10:29,540
idea and law cabinets. I asked Kurt to come up so he could explain it. But basically

1881
02:10:29,540 --> 02:10:35,700
if we do this, like the school is done at the New Turf field, then we are really in a position

1882
02:10:35,700 --> 02:10:42,540
to save lives because when someone drops from cardiac arrest, there's a gap in time

1883
02:10:42,540 --> 02:10:49,060
between the time that the fire or the back gets there or the police, and that person

1884
02:10:49,060 --> 02:10:54,680
is dependent on bystanders. And bystanders CPR is what saves people along with the use of

1885
02:10:54,680 --> 02:11:00,280
an AED. So we're making it possible to cover that gap in time if we do this.

1886
02:11:00,280 --> 02:11:01,880
Kirk, could you explain what these are?

1887
02:11:02,660 --> 02:11:04,880
Yeah, so at the school of the New Turfield,

1888
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:07,380
we put in a AED in a box.

1889
02:11:08,180 --> 02:11:09,800
It's a climate controlled box.

1890
02:11:11,340 --> 02:11:11,920
And, bye.

1891
02:11:12,440 --> 02:11:14,020
I was wondering how that was going to work now.

1892
02:11:14,180 --> 02:11:14,560
I know it's climate.

1893
02:11:14,700 --> 02:11:17,360
Right, so it took up to electricity to the box.

1894
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:22,280
So what happens is, when someone calls 911,

1895
02:11:23,420 --> 02:11:26,280
and you get the Wesschister 911 Center, either TMC,

1896
02:11:26,540 --> 02:11:29,280
County Police, or 60 Control, they will give you

1897
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:37,220
a code to unlock the box. This way nobody can steal the AED. And then once they give you

1898
02:11:37,220 --> 02:11:42,340
that code, the box is unlocked. And then once you open it up, it starts telling you the

1899
02:11:42,340 --> 02:11:44,320
instructions on how to use it.

1900
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:44,860
I think we

1901
02:11:47,070 --> 02:11:55,470
I'd circulated some information about this and you know we didn't really yeah, yeah, but we

1902
02:12:01,090 --> 02:12:05,830
You would put one of one volunteers and we're actually looking to put a second one of them by the track

1903
02:12:06,850 --> 02:12:07,370
eventually

1904
02:12:09,350 --> 02:12:12,530
But right now we have one at the turf field and

1905
02:12:13,490 --> 02:12:15,810
We put a sign next to it. Obviously call 911

1906
02:12:16,530 --> 02:12:19,070
And they will give you a code and gives the address that you're located at.

1907
02:12:19,210 --> 02:12:27,110
The sign next to it will have the AED is in that box, which is, we've got from a company,

1908
02:12:27,650 --> 02:12:30,870
I should have made with the company, but Fitzgerald was that I would purchase it from.

1909
02:12:31,070 --> 02:12:31,610
What is the cost?

1910
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:38,090
Yeah, I forget the exact cost of the whole thing.

1911
02:12:38,550 --> 02:12:38,790
Sorry.

1912
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:40,270
I don't remember the cost of it all.

1913
02:12:43,120 --> 02:12:44,040
But with all these.

1914
02:12:44,200 --> 02:12:45,560
Why find the area that's.

1915
02:12:45,580 --> 02:12:45,740
Nope.

1916
02:12:46,120 --> 02:12:47,120
No, why find needed.

1917
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:47,840
What does it say?

1918
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:55,560
No, they don't. So what happens is when you call, they give you a code to open the box.

1919
02:12:55,740 --> 02:13:00,420
Well the bystander will need a Wi-Fi in order to be able to dial up a cell service, whatever.

1920
02:13:01,540 --> 02:13:06,480
And then you tell them the location you're at and they'll know which code to give you to unlock that box.

1921
02:13:07,300 --> 02:13:12,900
When the school did this, did you have a list of vendors that you went to or was it a cell source?

1922
02:13:12,900 --> 02:13:16,300
Well, we stuck with the same vendor that the fire department uses and the ambulance

1923
02:13:16,300 --> 02:13:21,880
for uses in the town police use, so this way the pads can plug into any machine that

1924
02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:23,780
the town emergency services have.

1925
02:13:24,040 --> 02:13:25,080
It can be a smart approach.

1926
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:25,540
Right.

1927
02:13:26,280 --> 02:13:28,880
So this way when emergency services get started there's an issue with the machine.

1928
02:13:30,020 --> 02:13:33,840
So it's working after two shots or something, we can just take guards, hook it to it, and

1929
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:34,460
continue.

1930
02:13:34,460 --> 02:13:42,160
So the recommendation is for J.B. and volunteers, those are the two spots.

1931
02:13:42,160 --> 02:13:42,980
Spot so far.

1932
02:13:43,140 --> 02:13:43,680
Right.

1933
02:13:43,740 --> 02:13:47,280
Where would 518 be in one box for each location?

1934
02:13:48,300 --> 02:13:50,260
Is this school covering a pretty spieled?

1935
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:52,540
We don't use a pretty spieled anymore.

1936
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:53,560
You know?

1937
02:13:54,260 --> 02:13:54,660
No.

1938
02:13:55,180 --> 02:14:03,640
Like, it's a while since my kids were, um, um, some-

1939
02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:08,560
obviously involved with this now and you can deal with Kurt and get a surprise.

1940
02:14:09,060 --> 02:14:18,600
Okay, I don't think anybody here is going to object to having an AED at each one of those facilities.

1941
02:14:19,460 --> 02:14:21,420
So it's not even a matter of discussion.

1942
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,520
Do you want to talk about how they need to be made?

1943
02:14:25,500 --> 02:14:32,590
Yeah, so the school ones you have to have a person just check it once a week

1944
02:14:33,210 --> 02:14:37,570
and the payers need to be checked every year or two years to expire.

1945
02:14:37,750 --> 02:14:38,930
What do you have to check in once a week?

1946
02:14:39,650 --> 02:14:40,010
Why?

1947
02:14:40,290 --> 02:14:41,070
To measure the batteries.

1948
02:14:41,270 --> 02:14:41,570
Correct.

1949
02:14:42,230 --> 02:14:43,470
Make sure they're not plugged in or in.

1950
02:14:43,610 --> 02:14:43,770
Nope.

1951
02:14:44,950 --> 02:14:45,770
They don't have to.

1952
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:47,870
They're not like a little solar type battery.

1953
02:14:48,230 --> 02:14:48,270
No.

1954
02:14:48,530 --> 02:14:48,790
No.

1955
02:14:49,450 --> 02:14:49,750
Do that.

1956
02:14:51,550 --> 02:14:52,630
Kurt, I'll talk to you offline.

1957
02:14:52,810 --> 02:14:52,870
Okay.

1958
02:14:52,870 --> 02:14:57,350
Maybe we can get the vendor to come here and answer questions directly at the board.

1959
02:14:57,490 --> 02:14:57,850
Okay.

1960
02:14:58,230 --> 02:14:58,510
No problem.

1961
02:14:58,770 --> 02:14:59,290
Thank you, sir.

1962
02:14:59,290 --> 02:14:59,750
Thanks.

1963
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,340
Certainly. I don't think anybody would object to this quite frankly. No. You say lives, you know, at a, you know, that was small court.

1964
02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:29,660
Yeah, exactly. All right, now I'm going to jump to an easy one, sensitive, word, or district public pass route. Before you leave, the department health said, hey, your soffins, right? And you need to replace the soffins. I asked her if you could send somebody over there, which they did today.

1965
02:15:30,700 --> 02:15:35,480
And he called me up and they got there and they said, well, the soffit's right, the revs

1966
02:15:35,480 --> 02:15:39,860
are right, the group is right, and it's all wet under there, and I'm not sure if the

1967
02:15:39,860 --> 02:15:43,120
water's going through or coming from the inside, because you have a pretty high humidity.

1968
02:15:43,620 --> 02:15:45,540
So, we have a little bit of that.

1969
02:15:46,980 --> 02:15:47,260
The

1970
02:15:49,630 --> 02:15:54,030
way on smaller things, I took away S-curve to do some of the work, and obviously it goes

1971
02:15:54,030 --> 02:15:55,030
out of the young wage.

1972
02:15:55,710 --> 02:16:01,930
This is going to potentially get to the point where you put it up to 708,000, so I have

1973
02:16:06,410 --> 02:16:10,610
I don't know if you guys told you anything of it but I just stayed in the pit.

1974
02:16:10,630 --> 02:16:15,070
No, I just left it open. I mean, if you want to go tomorrow and just close it up, right.

1975
02:16:15,630 --> 02:16:21,470
If you want to put some tarps over tomorrow, this way no animals get inside but I left it open.

1976
02:16:22,870 --> 02:16:24,250
I didn't know what you guys were doing tonight.

1977
02:16:24,250 --> 02:16:24,330
All right.

1978
02:16:24,970 --> 02:16:30,130
Yeah, well, I just, just name up today, so I don't know if I don't have any prices or

1979
02:16:30,130 --> 02:16:31,350
anything other but preferable.

1980
02:16:31,590 --> 02:16:31,710
Yeah.

1981
02:16:32,370 --> 02:16:36,370
And so originally it was going to be a nice piece of stuff, but I told him, don't bother

1982
02:16:36,370 --> 02:16:37,230
put the stuff on.

1983
02:16:38,970 --> 02:16:40,250
We have problems with my usual.

1984
02:16:40,670 --> 02:16:41,470
Fix the problem first.

1985
02:16:41,930 --> 02:16:42,690
No, we need to talk.

1986
02:16:43,510 --> 02:16:46,970
Well, the tarp is, yeah, we've got to get a thing around tarp, or something like that.

1987
02:16:46,970 --> 02:16:47,690
Yeah, I'll put some tarp.

1988
02:16:48,130 --> 02:16:49,210
Yeah, I hope the tarp's on it.

1989
02:16:49,350 --> 02:16:49,710
It's going to be more.

1990
02:16:52,010 --> 02:16:57,630
I don't want to see blue or orange, or silver, or orange, and yellow.

1991
02:16:58,930 --> 02:17:00,970
So I don't know how bad it is on the inside.

1992
02:17:01,550 --> 02:17:02,470
I know what the inside is.

1993
02:17:02,510 --> 02:17:05,970
The rod goes in on some pieces, almost two feet.

1994
02:17:06,950 --> 02:17:08,570
Some of the referee joys have to be replaced.

1995
02:17:08,570 --> 02:17:10,750
time. Well, whatever.

1996
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:18,170
Before we just do the whamms. Sure.

1997
02:17:18,310 --> 02:17:24,430
You already talked about that, right? We did. Okay. Well, so I talked to Ellen. I talked to

1998
02:17:24,430 --> 02:17:32,270
that person and she wasn't too happy with anything. Any of them. I talked to Rob Scorano the other day and

1999
02:17:35,410 --> 02:17:40,170
And I talked to them and they said, I have a car.

2000
02:17:40,530 --> 02:17:41,590
It's something they would go for.

2001
02:17:41,750 --> 02:17:44,290
I talked to a couple of times and I think he's one of the half a car.

2002
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:46,070
Kevin I know this is a good car.

2003
02:17:46,250 --> 02:17:49,170
When I say half a car, starting to 30, it's a plus and plus.

2004
02:17:49,970 --> 02:17:56,510
For us it would be 22,000, I think it's a plus and 30,000 additional over our normal Wednesday piece.

2005
02:17:57,510 --> 02:18:07,190
And the only one that says, so I talked to Alton, he's going to come here on the 20th, and said, I don't think we need you, but we know our options.

2006
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:18,790
But you have to make sure everybody agrees on the same option, so that you actually have, you know, everybody's saying, yes, we want to do 30th start date on the flood card.

2007
02:18:20,870 --> 02:18:25,330
So, with my own example, you said I'd like everybody to agree, everybody to be an affirmative.

2008
02:18:25,330 --> 02:18:28,810
I don't want to have the towns, but it's a pervert out of the money.

2009
02:18:29,210 --> 02:18:33,210
I don't want Bedford saying now, and then I'll keep saying yes, and I don't know how he's going to get to that.

2010
02:18:33,770 --> 02:18:37,790
But I did talk to all the supervisors, Bob, but I have not talked to Lisa Katz.

2011
02:18:38,810 --> 02:18:43,990
She's everybody or Mike, I'm sure of what she'll later on down in that discussion.

2012
02:18:44,510 --> 02:18:51,070
When you say they want half, they don't know what has it made their agenda.

2013
02:18:51,770 --> 02:18:54,930
Well, he was pretty much okay with it at the meeting.

2014
02:18:55,070 --> 02:18:55,650
It was like there.

2015
02:18:56,310 --> 02:18:58,950
Yeah, and so was what's her thing?

2016
02:18:59,950 --> 02:19:01,250
I don't think Lisa.

2017
02:19:01,670 --> 02:19:02,110
Not Lisa.

2018
02:19:02,230 --> 02:19:03,650
Who's the other lady from Newcastle?

2019
02:19:03,650 --> 02:19:04,930
It was your town man.

2020
02:19:05,250 --> 02:19:05,550
Yeah.

2021
02:19:07,310 --> 02:19:08,530
I think that's about it.

2022
02:19:08,530 --> 02:19:13,410
I can talk, I mean, I know the law, you know, when I look at that, but he needs to know by the

2023
02:19:13,410 --> 02:19:17,250
October 25th, he hasn't been on October 25th.

2024
02:19:17,350 --> 02:19:21,330
Okay, but when we're talking about half, we're talking about the purchase of a fly car

2025
02:19:21,330 --> 02:19:22,430
and half a person.

2026
02:19:22,770 --> 02:19:23,070
Half a...

2027
02:19:23,070 --> 02:19:25,430
What about the purchase of a fly car and June?

2028
02:19:26,370 --> 02:19:27,450
Oh, half the year.

2029
02:19:27,550 --> 02:19:28,170
Half the year.

2030
02:19:28,750 --> 02:19:29,290
Half the year.

2031
02:19:29,410 --> 02:19:29,810
Okay.

2032
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:32,090
The way it hits a fly car is appreciate it.

2033
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:32,470
Gotcha.

2034
02:19:32,650 --> 02:19:35,510
It hits us over a number of years, and it hits us out.

2035
02:19:35,610 --> 02:19:36,510
I like that approach.

2036
02:19:38,410 --> 02:19:49,570
and that the target is to have that run 12 hours a day, I think 7 to 7 like that, by the time they don't need it, they don't need it, the more hours of 10 to about 2 hours in the break of the day.

2037
02:19:51,950 --> 02:19:59,930
So I think that's kind of where we're going. I've talked to him a bit, he said, look, I've threw it out there, if nobody wants it, okay, we struggle on the way we're going.

2038
02:19:59,930 --> 02:20:05,250
but I had to, it's what we need, so I have to propose it.

2039
02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:06,070
Okay.

2040
02:20:06,290 --> 02:20:09,090
And I think Kurt was the one that, just we're going to no place

2041
02:20:09,090 --> 02:20:11,450
with the full car.

2042
02:20:12,490 --> 02:20:15,930
And then you suggested you go with the starting to 30-up,

2043
02:20:16,410 --> 02:20:18,210
but it jumped to that real fast.

2044
02:20:18,990 --> 02:20:20,310
Easy way of breaking up the fund.

2045
02:20:20,530 --> 02:20:21,970
The Kurt Golden half-car solution.

2046
02:20:22,130 --> 02:20:22,350
Yeah.

2047
02:20:22,810 --> 02:20:23,130
Half-man.

2048
02:20:24,010 --> 02:20:24,410
Yeah,

2049
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:27,970
I don't know if there's any way for us,

2050
02:20:28,190 --> 02:20:29,870
the other solution is to,

2051
02:20:30,570 --> 02:20:34,070
They don't have the fly car only so open they're needed, but I don't have to do that.

2052
02:20:34,430 --> 02:20:35,910
Well, that's what they do.

2053
02:20:36,670 --> 02:20:37,910
They show all the time.

2054
02:20:38,270 --> 02:20:38,750
Not all the time.

2055
02:20:39,150 --> 02:20:39,250
Well.

2056
02:20:39,810 --> 02:20:44,690
There's a method that 60 control users to weed out some of the calls.

2057
02:20:46,350 --> 02:20:47,950
Not every department uses it.

2058
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:48,650
We use it.

2059
02:20:54,050 --> 02:20:54,690
I'm going to get one more thing.

2060
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:55,670
What?

2061
02:20:55,870 --> 02:20:57,690
To bring up the changes to noise or not.

2062
02:20:58,230 --> 02:20:58,510
What?

2063
02:20:58,650 --> 02:20:58,910
Noise.

2064
02:21:00,150 --> 02:21:01,250
Why don't you put it up?

2065
02:21:01,790 --> 02:21:02,590
I said I know that.

2066
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:10,650
I'd like to see a change in the network, so he wants us to change the law.

2067
02:21:13,070 --> 02:21:21,070
The noise ordinance, great law, accepts, it says in there that you cannot make noise

2068
02:21:21,070 --> 02:21:26,850
on federal holidays, which Columbus Day is one of them, Veterans Day, Labor Day for the

2069
02:21:26,850 --> 02:21:33,850
July, which is, I think it needs to be a separation of certain holidays to make noise.

2070
02:21:34,110 --> 02:21:41,350
Yesterday, a lot of people worked along this day and you had somebody call up and the cops

2071
02:21:41,350 --> 02:21:45,300
came over and gave you, did you like us to change the law?

2072
02:21:45,620 --> 02:21:49,760
Well, I think it's fair to most contractors that work in this town that certain holidays

2073
02:21:50,220 --> 02:21:51,320
you should be able to work.

2074
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:14,960
I think there's a few holidays that we should weed out to allow people to work.

2075
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:28,300
So we started all of a look, okay, come on with a list and I promise they may even be reasonable and I don't, you know, you have Martin Luther King day, veterans day.

2076
02:22:28,980 --> 02:22:30,460
Well, just come up with a list.

2077
02:22:30,860 --> 02:22:31,420
No problem.

2078
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:32,380
President's day.

2079
02:22:32,460 --> 02:22:33,060
President's day.

2080
02:22:33,500 --> 02:22:37,680
Maybe the short list would be the ones that you think we should still as probably a short list.

2081
02:22:39,460 --> 02:22:43,860
I'm looking. Is there anybody else in town that agrees with you?

2082
02:22:44,180 --> 02:22:44,600
I'll try.

2083
02:22:47,540 --> 02:22:48,580
Yeah, okay.

2084
02:22:49,860 --> 02:22:51,720
We'll pick this up for another date.

2085
02:22:51,960 --> 02:22:52,320
That's fine.

2086
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:54,240
He said he came in and asked.

2087
02:22:54,400 --> 02:22:54,940
He called me earlier.

2088
02:22:55,300 --> 02:22:55,800
I said I know that.

2089
02:22:56,560 --> 02:22:57,620
No, sorry.

2090
02:22:58,120 --> 02:22:58,360
Okay.

2091
02:22:58,500 --> 02:22:58,900
Thanks.

2092
02:22:59,640 --> 02:23:00,680
Thank you.

2093
02:23:00,740 --> 02:23:01,060
Thank you.

2094
02:23:01,060 --> 02:23:01,980
Thank you very much.

2095
02:23:01,980 --> 02:23:02,200
No.

2096
02:23:02,580 --> 02:23:02,900
Okay.

2097
02:23:25,160 --> 02:23:26,200
.

2098
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:26,220
.

2099
02:23:29,480 --> 02:23:30,520
.

2100
02:23:30,520 --> 02:23:30,540
.

2101
02:23:30,540 --> 02:23:30,820
.

2102
02:23:30,820 --> 02:23:31,340
.

2103
02:23:31,340 --> 02:23:31,900
.

2104
02:23:31,900 --> 02:23:38,020
And she told us to insurance and our insurance person and he said if it's a ten-month

2105
02:23:38,020 --> 02:23:42,860
And there's 50 or you know around that you don't have hundreds of people

2106
02:23:42,860 --> 02:23:46,880
He says it's not for sale

2107
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:51,680
You know it's a part of an event like part one or someone that you can't picture

2108
02:23:52,780 --> 02:23:59,440
It's a third party and you're selling it and all those types of things you can't

2109
02:24:02,380 --> 02:24:05,020
It's the third party or you're selling it.

2110
02:24:07,360 --> 02:24:07,960
Yeah.

2111
02:24:07,960 --> 02:24:08,280
Yeah.

2112
02:24:11,860 --> 02:24:15,060
I was talking about any town facility.

2113
02:24:15,780 --> 02:24:15,920
Yes.

2114
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:19,380
So that's contrary to what the town code says.

2115
02:24:19,820 --> 02:24:19,960
Yes.

2116
02:24:20,480 --> 02:24:20,560
Right.

2117
02:24:21,220 --> 02:24:26,200
But when you say the town code, the town code does not allow for the consumption of alcohol

2118
02:24:27,680 --> 02:24:28,160
Yes.

2119
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:30,980
It's always brought up.

2120
02:24:31,180 --> 02:24:31,500
I don't know if it's a board.

2121
02:24:31,500 --> 02:24:33,060
So has that just become a waiver?

2122
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:34,340
I don't know.

2123
02:24:34,660 --> 02:24:35,720
Doesn't it say in there?

2124
02:24:35,980 --> 02:24:37,200
Unless the town board waits.

2125
02:24:37,700 --> 02:24:38,540
That's in the policy.

2126
02:24:38,540 --> 02:24:39,800
That's in the way of getting it.

2127
02:24:39,800 --> 02:24:40,780
In the law?

2128
02:24:41,060 --> 02:24:41,240
Yeah.

2129
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:43,580
Because the policy also was written the same way.

2130
02:24:43,980 --> 02:24:44,140
Right.

2131
02:24:44,360 --> 02:24:45,260
It can only be...

2132
02:24:45,900 --> 02:24:47,900
It can't be consumed unless the...

2133
02:24:47,900 --> 02:24:48,280
I don't know.

2134
02:24:48,400 --> 02:24:49,360
It may be a violation of that.

2135
02:24:49,480 --> 02:24:52,520
I mean it would go on and do something about art in law.

2136
02:24:53,160 --> 02:24:53,820
It can't be consumed unless the...

2137
02:24:53,820 --> 02:24:54,280
It's a...

2138
02:24:54,760 --> 02:25:05,360
Oh, that's right. Yeah, you know, we're running one of those, but we get a policy and we don't need, so anyway, we don't need, we don't need a separate policy.

2139
02:25:06,360 --> 02:25:09,020
And the law was rather adamant to check with our gender.

2140
02:25:10,060 --> 02:25:10,800
And that's it.

2141
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:15,180
So we can, I guess, if we want to wave it, I'll take it over to the moral.

2142
02:25:19,080 --> 02:25:25,440
one thing that we should consider is, I mean, I understand that there are establishments

2143
02:25:25,440 --> 02:25:29,020
that are willing to donate the wine. I just don't want to get them in the jackpot.

2144
02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:30,380
What?

2145
02:25:30,380 --> 02:25:30,700
Donate what?

2146
02:25:31,020 --> 02:25:32,800
One, for, you know, like, for the-

2147
02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:33,220
For an event.

2148
02:25:33,520 --> 02:25:34,080
Yeah, for an event.

2149
02:25:36,200 --> 02:25:42,500
I don't want to get them in, I don't want them to inadvertently get in trouble if by doing

2150
02:25:42,500 --> 02:25:50,340
that gratuitously, you know, pro bono, they would have to also supply us proof of insurance.

2151
02:25:50,620 --> 02:25:51,760
No, no, they have to.

2152
02:25:51,900 --> 02:25:52,480
They have to have service.

2153
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:53,100
They have to have service.

2154
02:25:53,100 --> 02:25:53,300
They have to have service.

2155
02:25:53,300 --> 02:25:53,640
Doesn't matter.

2156
02:25:54,180 --> 02:25:55,380
I don't think it matters.

2157
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:57,980
Well, I don't know anybody told me there was one.

2158
02:25:58,260 --> 02:26:00,500
I don't think that's what we're working on.

2159
02:26:00,500 --> 02:26:03,400
So, I saw somewhere in the emails that I wasn't about this.

2160
02:26:04,220 --> 02:26:09,780
So, I saw somewhere in the emails that, you know, the possibility of reaching out to

2161
02:26:12,660 --> 02:26:16,520
I wouldn't do that, just to avoid how many.

2162
02:26:16,620 --> 02:26:18,820
I didn't write that and it was something I forwarded below

2163
02:26:18,820 --> 02:26:20,900
that somebody else in Sydney I built the numbers.

2164
02:26:21,160 --> 02:26:21,740
Yeah, okay.

2165
02:26:22,100 --> 02:26:23,020
Yeah, that's fine.

2166
02:26:23,260 --> 02:26:23,380
Yeah.

2167
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:27,880
This would be part of it as a like an event or a class type of thing

2168
02:26:27,880 --> 02:26:29,560
and that would be it.

2169
02:26:30,040 --> 02:26:30,260
Okay.

2170
02:26:30,660 --> 02:26:33,880
And I think art and simply paint and sit.

2171
02:26:34,280 --> 02:26:34,460
Please.

2172
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:37,180
For example, I was used inside of the book.

2173
02:26:37,800 --> 02:26:38,020
Yeah.

2174
02:26:38,020 --> 02:26:49,440
Yeah, another example, but I think it was the event that that climate smart is going to be yeah on November 2nd. That was another one. Yeah, yeah.

2175
02:26:54,980 --> 02:26:58,440
I can't hear it, of course, I think the east can go up to the east side of it.

2176
02:26:58,660 --> 02:27:00,260
So section 30-5.

2177
02:27:01,460 --> 02:27:01,760
That's right.

2178
02:27:02,020 --> 02:27:02,780
That's the same wave.

2179
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:09,060
It says that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2180
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:13,520
So it's the foregoing prohibition against drinking alcohol.

2181
02:27:13,740 --> 02:27:16,040
It beverages in public places are possessing.

2182
02:27:16,040 --> 02:27:20,380
with the intend to consume open unsealed, resealed, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

2183
02:27:22,460 --> 02:27:27,140
It can be at an event sponsored by a local fire department recognized civic

2184
02:27:27,140 --> 02:27:33,620
organization, a recognized church organization, Ornabent, which has been granted a

2185
02:27:33,620 --> 02:27:38,260
permit by resolution of the town board and town board. It's a authorized official.

2186
02:27:38,760 --> 02:27:43,420
It doesn't specifically say from what you read, that the town conducting its own event.

2187
02:27:44,120 --> 02:27:45,400
Well, it does.

2188
02:27:46,040 --> 02:27:47,560
I just made a little...

2189
02:27:47,560 --> 02:27:49,280
The required account for that.

2190
02:27:49,780 --> 02:27:49,840
Yeah.

2191
02:27:50,580 --> 02:27:51,140
Right.

2192
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:52,500
The little data is out.

2193
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:56,160
Uh-oh.

2194
02:27:56,380 --> 02:27:56,500
Yep.

2195
02:27:56,700 --> 02:27:57,760
November 2nd.

2196
02:27:57,780 --> 02:27:58,900
That's a smart address.

2197
02:28:01,380 --> 02:28:02,840
Smart, cute and cool.

2198
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:04,360
Right.

2199
02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:08,180
So we got to abide by the restrictions that RJ gave us.

2200
02:28:08,460 --> 02:28:10,560
And we need to pass a resolution.

2201
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:11,840
Okay.

2202
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:15,100
paying that consumption at that event.

2203
02:28:16,300 --> 02:28:17,920
And it has to be a ton of it.

2204
02:28:18,120 --> 02:28:18,540
A ton of it.

2205
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:19,780
Less than 50 people.

2206
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:23,140
And I think, quite frankly, you do with this side here,

2207
02:28:23,320 --> 02:28:26,860
the library, you serve, somebody serves in the last,

2208
02:28:27,080 --> 02:28:28,100
you don't think the problem.

2209
02:28:28,940 --> 02:28:29,300
Correct.

2210
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:31,200
So I think that's where I want to put it to the bottom,

2211
02:28:31,460 --> 02:28:32,180
where we can see it.

2212
02:28:32,580 --> 02:28:33,460
Yeah, well, yeah.

2213
02:28:34,260 --> 02:28:34,560
OK.

2214
02:28:35,060 --> 02:28:37,060
But I think it's the next meeting that they wanted to do that.

2215
02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:40,100
It was just a rather open solution, right?

2216
02:28:40,100 --> 02:28:42,880
that maybe we can talk to the role of the U.S.

2217
02:28:43,240 --> 02:28:45,420
for your opinion, and talk to the U.S.

2218
02:28:45,780 --> 02:28:47,160
Can you have a little bit of fun

2219
02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:49,760
so you don't have to wait a holiday concert at the head?

2220
02:28:50,120 --> 02:28:51,080
Yeah, this should be quick.

2221
02:28:51,580 --> 02:28:57,420
We agreed to fund the contract to the $2,000,000.

2222
02:28:57,640 --> 02:29:01,840
The Hammond has limited capacity, so I think it's 150.

2223
02:29:02,780 --> 02:29:05,320
So they kind of need to know how many are coming,

2224
02:29:06,580 --> 02:29:09,180
and the way we didn't put a limit on the,

2225
02:29:09,180 --> 02:29:15,180
And like our contribution was contingent on North Salem

2226
02:29:17,200 --> 02:29:19,220
residents being a low time for free.

2227
02:29:20,380 --> 02:29:21,860
And they're invited guests.

2228
02:29:23,540 --> 02:29:25,980
I think we need to put a limit on the potential

2229
02:29:25,980 --> 02:29:29,700
invited guests, just so that the ham and we'll

2230
02:29:29,700 --> 02:29:31,920
have an idea about how many people are coming.

2231
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:34,660
And I think we need to, I would suggest four.

2232
02:29:35,400 --> 02:29:36,600
And I think we need to.

2233
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:39,880
What's the guess, don't they live in the town?

2234
02:29:40,460 --> 02:29:46,940
Well, it's holiday time and you know, it's a holiday concert and the idea is that...

2235
02:29:46,940 --> 02:29:48,380
How many did we have to go to the last time?

2236
02:29:51,740 --> 02:29:56,300
I'm not sure, I mean overall there was 125 people there, some like that.

2237
02:29:56,700 --> 02:29:59,960
I know a lot of people went, so the question is do we...

2238
02:30:00,270 --> 02:30:30,250
Controls in place, do we just say go and we won't exceed the number right now? We'll ask them to do some record keeping. But when we passed this, it was, you know, because it was the holiday time, we expected holiday visitors. It was North Seattle residents and they're invited guests. And what I'm suggesting is we put a limit on the invited guests. Well, I mean, in total or out of what each resident can bring, like each resident

2239
02:30:30,250 --> 02:30:31,770
and bring two inviting guests.

2240
02:30:32,810 --> 02:30:33,590
For instance, yeah.

2241
02:30:33,670 --> 02:30:35,310
I don't know what numbers are going after, so.

2242
02:30:35,410 --> 02:30:38,310
Yeah, so if somebody can tell me, because originally,

2243
02:30:38,730 --> 02:30:41,650
I think it was, we could have a maximum of 50 people.

2244
02:30:41,930 --> 02:30:45,850
I'm sure it's different now, but whatever the maximum number is,

2245
02:30:46,490 --> 02:30:48,830
we should allow everybody to bring guests

2246
02:30:48,830 --> 02:30:50,610
and just cut it off when we hit the number.

2247
02:30:52,230 --> 02:30:52,710
OK.

2248
02:30:53,530 --> 02:30:57,030
But how do you, I mean, they don't pre-register.

2249
02:30:57,230 --> 02:30:59,190
Well, I'm suggesting that we also,

2250
02:30:59,190 --> 02:31:02,590
So they can do it through community pass or something like that.

2251
02:31:02,670 --> 02:31:09,130
Or they can do their own, but I think that so that they can control the crowd.

2252
02:31:09,570 --> 02:31:21,170
I think that we need to make our funding contingent on people registering day and

2253
02:31:32,400 --> 02:31:34,900
And if you have a couple and you're bringing in a couple,

2254
02:31:35,520 --> 02:31:36,400
those are your plus points.

2255
02:31:36,400 --> 02:31:36,520
Okay.

2256
02:31:36,520 --> 02:31:42,240
And if you have a couple or a steam town clerk has come up

2257
02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:44,220
with a solving like solution.

2258
02:31:44,800 --> 02:31:45,180
Plus one.

2259
02:31:45,500 --> 02:31:45,740
All right.

2260
02:31:46,300 --> 02:31:51,040
So one for each resident and registered like 24 hours

2261
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:51,620
in advance.

2262
02:31:52,060 --> 02:31:52,440
That's fine.

2263
02:31:52,580 --> 02:31:53,320
We'll set something up.

2264
02:31:53,320 --> 02:31:55,360
or maybe on community pass or how do you even register?

2265
02:31:55,460 --> 02:31:58,120
Lauren has been in contact with the ham

2266
02:31:58,120 --> 02:32:00,560
and they'll work out how they do that.

2267
02:32:01,100 --> 02:32:01,200
Okay.

2268
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:02,360
That's perfect.

2269
02:32:02,780 --> 02:32:05,220
Do we need the resolution or do you have a consensus

2270
02:32:05,220 --> 02:32:07,100
that you have good no more resolution?

2271
02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:07,400
Okay.

2272
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:08,460
Do you want the EV charging?

2273
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:09,600
Did

2274
02:32:15,230 --> 02:32:15,530
it tell?

2275
02:32:15,830 --> 02:32:16,290
I'm sorry.

2276
02:32:17,470 --> 02:32:17,690
Okay.

2277
02:32:17,870 --> 02:32:18,510
That's the last one.

2278
02:32:18,590 --> 02:32:21,130
No, it's, we have one more EV charging stations

2279
02:32:21,130 --> 02:32:22,450
as accessory uses.

2280
02:32:22,870 --> 02:32:23,730
Yeah, EV charging.

2281
02:32:24,050 --> 02:32:24,650
That's the last one.

2282
02:32:24,850 --> 02:32:25,270
That's the last one.

2283
02:32:26,970 --> 02:32:28,430
Where did this come from?

2284
02:32:31,850 --> 02:32:39,770
No, it's been on our list of things to consider because one of our commercial uses in town

2285
02:32:39,770 --> 02:32:47,070
actually wanted to put an EV charging station and Roland pointed out to us that we don't

2286
02:32:47,070 --> 02:32:52,810
have anything in our code yet to address it so we want to put something in our code.

2287
02:32:52,810 --> 02:32:57,590
And there's actually four, I think it's four parts to this.

2288
02:32:58,210 --> 02:33:03,630
First of all, an individual homeowner, obviously if they have an all electric car, they're

2289
02:33:03,630 --> 02:33:09,190
putting an EV charging station, not a station, they're putting the EV charger at their home

2290
02:33:09,190 --> 02:33:10,690
so they can charge their own cars.

2291
02:33:11,190 --> 02:33:13,230
That's an accessory use as of right.

2292
02:33:13,610 --> 02:33:18,550
We want to make that clear in the code without question that's your accessory use by right.

2293
02:33:18,550 --> 02:33:25,810
But we also want to put a little condition there saying that's the accessory use for you at your home

2294
02:33:25,810 --> 02:33:27,910
Not to be used as a commercial

2295
02:33:28,590 --> 02:33:34,550
Venture to allow anyone else to come and use your charging station for profit

2296
02:33:35,290 --> 02:33:37,930
So it'll just be put in the code

2297
02:33:39,030 --> 02:33:42,470
As knowledge is an accessory use by right the

2298
02:33:42,470 --> 02:33:50,370
The commercial property that was in front of us, we also are thinking that why not let

2299
02:33:50,370 --> 02:33:56,290
each commercial property, non-residential property, have one or two charging stations

2300
02:33:56,290 --> 02:34:01,390
as an accessory use by right, and we put some conditions to go with it.

2301
02:34:01,770 --> 02:34:04,730
What we're separating this from is-

2302
02:34:04,730 --> 02:34:06,830
Are we differentiating to level one, level two?

2303
02:34:06,890 --> 02:34:11,910
No, well, I don't want to get into that yet, but let me just finish the overall concept.

2304
02:34:11,910 --> 02:34:20,950
up. Separating that from allowing EV charging stations as a stand alone use. That is something

2305
02:34:20,950 --> 02:34:26,170
that I think you all should think about. Obviously, you're doing it on town property. You're

2306
02:34:26,790 --> 02:34:32,330
putting them in the, on the city property, the least property you have for the parking

2307
02:34:32,330 --> 02:34:38,010
thing. Clearly, that is something that you all want to do. But going forward to the future,

2308
02:34:38,010 --> 02:35:04,450
Is it something that you want in the code maybe for existing motor vehicle service stations or for any other kind of commercial venture we are just starting to talk about and think about it the implications of it but at some point we need direction from you if you want anybody else to make money on EV charging stations.

2309
02:35:04,450 --> 02:35:09,750
as a permitted use, or just leave it for the town to have it on their own property.

2310
02:35:11,030 --> 02:35:29,470
Then long-term, what the planning board is also thinking about and trying to figure out is at what point do we let commercial properties put in EV charging stations beyond one or two accessory.

2311
02:35:30,490 --> 02:35:34,850
At some point, we're going to get to a point where they're going to say, well, we need

2312
02:35:34,850 --> 02:35:44,470
three or four or ten parking spaces, well, because all of the parking spots are calculated

2313
02:35:45,130 --> 02:35:46,730
as required under the code.

2314
02:35:48,190 --> 02:35:53,570
So they have to figure out, as a business, how many, do you put the EV charging stations

2315
02:35:53,570 --> 02:36:00,950
in as extra, are they replacing one of the required parking spaces to service the property?

2316
02:36:01,210 --> 02:36:05,630
Because all commercial properties must provide for parking on their site.

2317
02:36:06,090 --> 02:36:10,090
So we're trying to figure that out going forward how we would build that.

2318
02:36:10,090 --> 02:36:13,670
That doesn't, in my opinion, that doesn't require zoning code.

2319
02:36:13,670 --> 02:36:15,130
It's going to be more of a site plan.

2320
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:24,270
Well, right now we have a restaurant, office use, we have some businesses on fields lane.

2321
02:36:25,770 --> 02:36:34,970
Well, it could be, and I think that's a very reasonable one for an employer to think about whether they need it for their employees.

2322
02:36:35,870 --> 02:36:45,090
And so we thought as an initial step, why not permit as an accessory use one or two parking spaces that could be

2323
02:36:45,090 --> 02:36:48,650
the EV charging stations, meaning they don't have to go through any kind of

2324
02:36:50,010 --> 02:36:50,810
permitting process.

2325
02:36:51,190 --> 02:36:54,550
It is built in as a recognized accessory use.

2326
02:36:55,990 --> 02:37:02,330
But at some point, it's going to impact the number of parking spaces that they're required to have to make sure they're not parking off-site.

2327
02:37:05,430 --> 02:37:06,890
We've now given up two spots,

2328
02:37:13,440 --> 02:37:19,240
or I can't help here with parts where you pull in, you know what to call, you plug in, you don't want to call, you don't plug in.

2329
02:37:19,240 --> 02:37:26,860
So, you know, at some point in time, hopefully people start using the thing, but I don't know

2330
02:37:26,860 --> 02:37:30,280
if you care if they're your employees or something, I don't know if you care if they don't

2331
02:37:30,280 --> 02:37:31,960
cost that much money to level two.

2332
02:37:32,260 --> 02:37:32,340
Right.

2333
02:37:32,480 --> 02:37:34,220
The level ones that completely have been stored.

2334
02:37:34,760 --> 02:37:40,520
Well, but what's the future out there is that someone may start using it as a use to make

2335
02:37:40,520 --> 02:37:40,820
money.

2336
02:37:41,580 --> 02:37:47,400
So that you have to think about, you want to put that in your code, and what type of zoning

2337
02:37:47,400 --> 02:37:48,740
districts do you want to have it in?

2338
02:37:48,740 --> 02:37:51,300
Do you want to have a stand alone as part of a business, whatever?

2339
02:37:52,040 --> 02:37:59,180
What we're going to deal with at the planning level is if they say to us, okay, by your code we have to have 50 parking spaces.

2340
02:37:59,800 --> 02:38:04,620
We think it's prudent that 5% of or 10% of them be EV charging stations.

2341
02:38:04,960 --> 02:38:08,900
That's in part that's a business decision for the applicant.

2342
02:38:09,360 --> 02:38:14,040
But from our perspective is we don't want them to be empty and

2343
02:38:14,040 --> 02:38:19,580
And now people who need to park because it says you're supposed to have 50 parking spaces for

2344
02:38:19,580 --> 02:38:22,420
that business and now they don't have a place to park and they're parking on the street.

2345
02:38:22,820 --> 02:38:29,020
So it's something we have to learn more about and understand what the dynamics are and what the needs are.

2346
02:38:29,740 --> 02:38:36,280
But in the meantime, we would like to write legislation to make it clear that very small scale,

2347
02:38:36,640 --> 02:38:40,280
a couple as an accessory uses, we shouldn't have a problem with that.

2348
02:38:40,280 --> 02:38:43,940
And I wanted to get a feel from you to go ahead and do that.

2349
02:38:44,660 --> 02:38:49,280
And please be thinking about what you're envisioning for

2350
02:38:49,280 --> 02:38:53,680
the futures, whether or not you want to have as a stand alone use for

2351
02:38:53,680 --> 02:38:57,700
existing businesses or new business or put it in a zoning code.

2352
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:00,620
That's something you should give us direction on.

2353
02:39:00,940 --> 02:39:05,400
I mean, it could always be optional for whoever the business owner is or

2354
02:39:05,400 --> 02:39:07,540
or whatever it is to say, you know,

2355
02:39:08,420 --> 02:39:12,640
this is only for people who want to charge their car.

2356
02:39:12,880 --> 02:39:13,640
This is the space.

2357
02:39:14,280 --> 02:39:19,260
Or if they don't park your last, you know, I mean,

2358
02:39:19,320 --> 02:39:21,780
basically, I mean, that it could be

2359
02:39:21,780 --> 02:39:23,240
to be a parking space.

2360
02:39:23,880 --> 02:39:26,160
If they don't, you know, have a bunch of EV customers

2361
02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:30,200
coming in, you know, they could still utilize it for parking.

2362
02:39:31,360 --> 02:39:33,740
Well, that's something that probably the signage

2363
02:39:33,740 --> 02:39:40,140
would have to direct because I think if most of the signs say no parking except for

2364
02:39:40,140 --> 02:39:40,720
EV charging.

2365
02:39:41,360 --> 02:39:41,640
Right.

2366
02:39:42,080 --> 02:39:42,440
Right.

2367
02:39:43,060 --> 02:39:47,200
But from our perspective, we want to make sure that the site has the proper amount of

2368
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:49,900
parking spaces that all their customers are parked on site.

2369
02:39:50,100 --> 02:39:51,260
So that's the balancing thing.

2370
02:39:51,420 --> 02:39:52,100
We have to figure out.

2371
02:39:52,120 --> 02:39:53,100
You have them in the meat.

2372
02:39:55,820 --> 02:39:55,980
Yeah.

2373
02:39:56,300 --> 02:39:56,560
Yeah.

2374
02:39:56,940 --> 02:39:57,040
Yeah.

2375
02:39:57,580 --> 02:40:01,580
So one unit can really be used in any one of four spots.

2376
02:40:01,580 --> 02:40:03,700
and I was thinking about this a group full,

2377
02:40:03,900 --> 02:40:05,820
so it's easy enough for us to pay for four,

2378
02:40:05,960 --> 02:40:09,320
but we're giving up with the $850 times four,

2379
02:40:09,460 --> 02:40:11,220
and 100 times four, right?

2380
02:40:12,080 --> 02:40:14,320
It's a lot, you know, we're not gonna make money

2381
02:40:14,320 --> 02:40:16,220
if we break even or make a little money

2382
02:40:16,220 --> 02:40:18,380
on the electric charge of that pedal yet,

2383
02:40:18,920 --> 02:40:20,060
but we're giving up money.

2384
02:40:20,400 --> 02:40:21,400
And so...

2385
02:40:22,160 --> 02:40:25,800
Well, maybe not if somebody wants to commit

2386
02:40:25,800 --> 02:40:28,800
or want one of the EV drivers wants to commit to it.

2387
02:40:28,840 --> 02:40:29,140
Yeah.

2388
02:40:35,420 --> 02:40:38,160
But you're visioning that more is a business.

2389
02:40:38,300 --> 02:40:43,580
You're serving the businesses of curtain falls and the residents of curtain falls with those parking spaces.

2390
02:40:43,940 --> 02:40:48,960
You're giving up commuter parking lot spaces, but to serve a broader public.

2391
02:41:05,420 --> 02:41:07,300
But I assume that if they're not plugged,

2392
02:41:07,300 --> 02:41:12,020
in, they're going to get a ticket because they're just trying to get away with using a space.

2393
02:41:13,060 --> 02:41:14,340
I mean, I have to be plugged in.

2394
02:41:14,380 --> 02:41:15,320
But part of it, we make,

2395
02:41:18,770 --> 02:41:21,810
they do a wide plane, they try to kill these pass rate plus

2396
02:41:21,810 --> 02:41:22,290
the left-trick.

2397
02:41:22,510 --> 02:41:22,610
Yeah.

2398
02:41:23,210 --> 02:41:23,570
Yeah.

2399
02:41:27,050 --> 02:41:28,650
Yeah, we're all exploring it.

2400
02:41:28,670 --> 02:41:32,190
At that point, the gas station should be allowed to do it, and have

2401
02:41:34,780 --> 02:41:35,400
what a facility.

2402
02:41:35,820 --> 02:41:39,400
And you're, I simply, at this point, you're not going to distinguish between level two and

2403
02:41:39,400 --> 02:41:40,360
level three charging.

2404
02:41:40,360 --> 02:41:45,120
We are writing it with, there is some commentary about the different level.

2405
02:41:45,500 --> 02:41:54,160
I just don't recall it off the top of my head, but I just wanted to make sure that the general concept of what we're doing is fine with you and I don't add.

2406
02:41:54,260 --> 02:41:57,440
Do you remember the level two and level three?

2407
02:41:57,500 --> 02:41:58,780
I don't off the top of my head.

2408
02:41:58,780 --> 02:42:01,460
Level 3 is your charge.

2409
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:03,480
I'm going to work in certain spots.

2410
02:42:03,940 --> 02:42:04,000
Right.

2411
02:42:10,000 --> 02:42:10,720
Do you want to take a look at this?

2412
02:42:16,520 --> 02:42:18,840
For the assess reuse is personally,

2413
02:42:18,900 --> 02:42:20,600
I didn't think that we should make a distinction.

2414
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:22,480
It's really a business decision on the,

2415
02:42:22,680 --> 02:42:25,980
I mean, if you, if your home want to put in by his level.

2416
02:42:26,360 --> 02:42:28,300
No, I was just thinking, you know, your business,

2417
02:42:28,540 --> 02:42:30,440
but the best place for those would be

2418
02:42:30,440 --> 02:42:32,240
along the, at the gas stations,

2419
02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:33,960
near the gas stations, long, high.

2420
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:35,500
So that might be the first place

2421
02:42:35,500 --> 02:42:37,160
where in the code you might want to say

2422
02:42:37,160 --> 02:42:39,940
that is a permitted use where, you know,

2423
02:42:39,940 --> 02:42:42,340
of they can put in eight or 10.

2424
02:42:49,760 --> 02:42:51,680
So that's the other thing that we're working on,

2425
02:42:51,760 --> 02:42:54,440
and we'll continue to do the SSV use part.

2426
02:42:55,280 --> 02:42:55,500
Thank you.

2427
02:42:55,640 --> 02:42:55,800
Thank you.

2428
02:42:57,920 --> 02:43:00,720
Just, could I have a general question about communication?

2429
02:43:08,860 --> 02:43:09,840
Can you read it?

2430
02:43:10,620 --> 02:43:11,760
It's a lengthy comment.

2431
02:43:12,140 --> 02:43:15,540
Now, since they asked the question, you just asked.

2432
02:43:16,880 --> 02:43:42,440
I'm sorry, so you just did something about the Hammond and the Free Tickets for the Concert whatever, but I had, I saw on Facebook that Warren put something up about Free Tickets and School House Theater, and it brought up a question to me about communication and how is the best way for the town to communicate to the residents when an opportunity like that comes up, and it's first come first serve.

2433
02:43:42,440 --> 02:43:50,040
How do you broadcast it best to not everybody does email, not everybody does Facebook, what

2434
02:43:50,040 --> 02:43:53,640
you used to do in newsletter, you're here to town board meeting, you could have announced

2435
02:43:53,640 --> 02:43:54,180
it tonight.

2436
02:43:54,460 --> 02:43:59,100
But just in general, I hope you start thinking more about communication.

2437
02:43:59,560 --> 02:44:07,140
I'm working with the CAC, they're trying to write some communication about know before

2438
02:44:07,140 --> 02:44:12,060
you cut, know before you trees, you know, these are all laws, this is what you have to follow.

2439
02:44:12,060 --> 02:44:15,980
So they're, they're working on drafting some wonderful pieces of communication.

2440
02:44:16,440 --> 02:44:21,320
But what is the best way to get communication out there quickly?

2441
02:44:22,620 --> 02:44:24,600
Should we reintroduce the newsletter?

2442
02:44:25,060 --> 02:44:27,820
Should we make sure that we announce things at town board meetings?

2443
02:44:35,610 --> 02:44:40,050
Yeah, but I understand that's a, you know, that's a recreation is loaded with a lot of recreation stuff.

2444
02:44:40,050 --> 02:44:44,630
But I'm also talking about, you know, we talked about the building inspector and how do you enforce?

2445
02:44:44,630 --> 02:44:50,650
Well, the best way to enforce is to communicate first, you know, know before you have a problem,

2446
02:44:50,990 --> 02:44:55,350
before you cut that tree down, check with the building inspector, before you dig in your wetlands,

2447
02:44:55,450 --> 02:44:59,950
or before you do whatever, call in a plumber, maybe you need a plumbing permit or...

2448
02:45:00,640 --> 02:45:29,060
So, it doesn't have to be a long extensive newsletter, but I think you need to try to cover all your bases. Do Facebook, do email, and do it in print because I find that people are just opting out of, I'm not doing Facebook anymore. I never opened my emails until the weekend. It's hard. It's hard. So, we have to try to figure out the best way, and you've got a website, put it up on the website. That's all.

2449
02:45:29,060 --> 02:45:32,380
It was just communication, I think, is hard.

2450
02:45:36,320 --> 02:45:41,060
And they had suggested that a department had sent in an article from their department

2451
02:45:41,060 --> 02:45:42,780
things helpful information.

2452
02:45:43,780 --> 02:45:44,600
So, that's it.

2453
02:45:45,300 --> 02:45:49,680
Well, let's talk offline because Lauren is cranking out.

2454
02:45:49,880 --> 02:45:53,060
I mean, Lauren and Lauren, I had a lengthy conversation.

2455
02:45:53,520 --> 02:45:55,040
She has a whole strategy.

2456
02:45:55,540 --> 02:45:57,280
She's cranking out a lot of newsletters.

2457
02:45:57,840 --> 02:46:00,300
Having everyone in one place, I think.

2458
02:46:00,300 --> 02:46:06,080
that's what bogs everything down but maybe I don't know let's talk about it's a

2459
02:46:06,080 --> 02:46:16,180
good point it's cool let's have a little fun conversation yeah do you

2460
02:46:18,640 --> 02:46:18,640
want

2461
02:46:19,460 --> 02:46:32,560
me to read this thing to you well was it during the public yeah it was directed

2462
02:46:35,880 --> 02:46:39,440
Yeah, it needs to be read into the record. It should have been done. I didn't even

2463
02:46:39,440 --> 02:46:47,600
notice. I just noticed there was a read. It is. I don't know. I just saw you. Well, you could

2464
02:46:47,600 --> 02:46:53,480
reserve it until you reopen. Okay. I don't have it on one sheet because it over there. I don't know.

2465
02:46:54,160 --> 02:46:59,360
How are we going to lose it? You open and it just read it so I can. Yeah. Okay. It's on the

2466
02:46:59,360 --> 02:47:01,760
recording, and I can put it in as a comment.

2467
02:47:02,020 --> 02:47:02,280
Sure.

2468
02:47:03,660 --> 02:47:06,940
Gil Sandberg, to everyone, it was 9.33 pm.

2469
02:47:07,800 --> 02:47:08,480
Suggestions.

2470
02:47:09,060 --> 02:47:12,320
Require motion to detectors and dust to do sensors

2471
02:47:12,320 --> 02:47:13,980
on exterior security lighting.

2472
02:47:14,560 --> 02:47:17,540
Provide a means for submitting lighting nuisance complaints

2473
02:47:17,540 --> 02:47:18,700
to the building inspector.

2474
02:47:19,360 --> 02:47:23,020
Consider a tax-related incentive to bringing exterior lighting

2475
02:47:23,020 --> 02:47:24,660
into dark sky compliance.

2476
02:47:25,300 --> 02:47:28,820
Also, do not underestimate the effect of codified rules

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and producing voluntary compliance, enforcement is usually an issue only at the extremes with or without a code.