[0:01] 45. Uh, everybody is here except Dave
Akuto, who should be online. Dave, can
[0:06] you hear us? Okay.
>> I can.
[0:08] » Perfect. Uh, when you want to speak,
just raise your hand and they will press
[0:12] your button for me so I know you're out
there.
[0:14] » All right. Any questions about the
update agenda this evening?
[0:18] Any questions about the formal meeting?
I just want to make sure I know who's
[0:23] going to do what tonight. Uh, land
acknowledgement. I'm assuming that's
[0:26] you, Robera, tonight
>> as well as the 7A, the National Native
[0:32] American Heritage Month. What about the
resolution commending Patrick Pico for
[0:36] local licensing authority?
>> I'll do it.
[0:39] » Okay.
[0:43] All right. And then we have no public
hearings, but we do have a few action
[0:46] items. 13A is the kiosk
development incentive. That's in W four,
[0:53] Chris. Sure.
The next one is the Thorn Creek
[0:58] properties which is view house in word
for
[1:02] » word form. Okay, sure.
>> And the next is the Westwood Metro
[1:07] District appointing the board of
directors.
[1:12] » I think that's Yeah. Is that in board
three? Do we remember? I didn't look it
[1:15] up.
>> I thought I saw that.
[1:17] » I think so. But I couldn't tell if it
was north or south because that picture
[1:21] I went to their website and everything
wasn't very good. It was hard to read.
[1:28] » Do you want to do it Tony or
>> I don't have anything printed or to do
[1:33] it.
>> I'll do it.
[1:34] » Okay.
>> Make it easy for
[1:37] » All right. And then we do have two other
meetings tonight. We have the TDA.
[1:42] So there are a couple action items
there. Improving the infrastructure
[1:45] reimbursement agreement between the TVA
and Confluent which is also word four.
[1:56] » And then
the budget
[2:00] budget.
>> You got budget. Okay.
[2:03] » And then 5 C is transfer real property
between TDA and Adams 12.
[2:10] I'll do that one.
>> Okay.
[2:20] » All right. I think that's it. If I miss
something, we'll figure it out there.
[2:24] All right. Let's jump into briefings.
Other benefits for city council.
[2:29] » So, I'm gonna bring Trisha Hinton Potter
forward. So, you'll remember just a
[2:33] couple of meetings ago, we did an update
on compensation. Knowing that uh
[2:38] compensation was going to be looked at,
I did get feedback from a couple of
[2:42] council members that were aware that
Commerce City provides golf benefits and
[2:47] asked us to do a survey of other cities
to see if that was um something that was
[2:53] typical that the council should
consider. And so we've got a very brief
[2:58] presentation just to give some context
but you know ultimately this is a a
[3:02] policy uh discussion and direction from
the council.
[3:16] » So as Ty says this will be fairly quick
presentation. Um primarily just want to
[3:21] get into that Gulf comparison with our
survey jurisdictions. Talk a little bit
[3:24] about conclusions and recommendations.
Um, as a reminder, just very quickly, we
[3:31] use the same seven survey jurisdictions
for council pay and benefits as we do
[3:35] our general employees.
[3:39] Getting into the data itself, um, of the
seven comparable jurisdictions, there
[3:44] are two that provide some level of golf
benefit. Um, Lakewood provides a
[3:50] discount that varies by course. they
have multiple golf courses. Um, and
[3:56] typically it's limited to their non-
peak times. Uh, and then Westminster,
[4:00] they do have some form of golf benefit.
Um, and it's just as when when it's
[4:05] requested through the city manager. Um,
as Tancy mentioned, Commerce City also
[4:10] does have um, golf benefits that they
provide to their city council. Um,
[4:14] they're not listed specifically on the
chart as they're not one of our seven,
[4:18] but but that is that is another data
point.
[4:23] So, as a whole, I told you this was
going to be quick. Um, the majority do
[4:28] not offer golf benefits. You just have
those two out of seven. Um, staff would
[4:33] recommend just continuing to monitor
this uh and just not make any
[4:37] adjustments at this time. But, as Tancy
said, this is an administrative decision
[4:42] and I will answer any questions you
might have.
[4:46] » Questions?
[4:49] Chris?
No, but we did have some additional
[4:53] discussion on um rec center passes. So,
off the top of your head, do you know
[4:58] how that is with our comparison cities
in terms of
[5:04] out um outliving like your time on
council like having a rec?
[5:10] » I do not I do not know that. So, so um
Thornton does offer recck passes for for
[5:15] all city employees, council regular
temporary employees. Um, we do continue
[5:20] to offer that wreck pass for retirees.
Um, I but I think what you're
[5:25] specifically asking is for council
members after after their term. I don't
[5:29] know the answer to that.
>> Did you know?
[5:33] » I don't know.
>> The question is whether other cities
[5:36] offer that to their
>> Yeah, it was something that we talked
[5:39] about as a something alternative, but I
didn't know what I didn't know any
[5:44] history about. I don't know if they do
either, but if it's something that's
[5:48] offered after um
so you're saying they offer the city
[5:53] currently offers retirees that continued
recass,
[5:57] » so that wouldn't necessarily be out of
the realm after council. I mean, I I
[6:02] know that there's other cities that
offer uh retirement part of it's not a
[6:06] huge amount, but there is a retirement
piece. So, I think that there are other
[6:10] benefits that maybe we haven't really
reviewed and monitoring is fine, but
[6:15] what are we monitoring? If it's just
pay, I don't think that's necessarily
[6:19] the full benefits that are possible. You
know, it's not a huge paying position.
[6:25] Um, it is a big commitment depending on
what you put into it. And so, I think
[6:29] rec center passes, it's a nice benefit.
It's not a huge amount of money
[6:34] afterwards either. I don't know how many
would use it all the time, but it is
[6:38] something
it seems like that could be a
[6:41] possibility.
>> Yeah, the benefits um that we survey
[6:45] were included a couple weeks ago in the
packet, and they mainly are the
[6:48] insuranceances um and the different
stipens. Um I believe, if memory serves
[6:54] me, recreation is on that, but again,
it's only surveying for active active
[6:59] members.
>> Yep.
[7:01] » But I would agree with you, it might not
be out of the realm of possibility given
[7:03] that we offer it to retirees.
[7:10] Yeah, I think the the rec center passes
are it would just be a good gesture
[7:15] because I believe the RTD gives folks
like free bus fair that have been on the
[7:26] board after they're finished
because I know one guy that
[7:34] a friend of a friend but he's used to be
on the board and he still rides the bus
[7:38] to like the Bronco games and things like
that.
[7:42] » There are a couple of options with with
next steps. I mean clearly again this is
[7:47] a policy decision for you all and so it
would be a reasonable poly assumption to
[7:53] look for some congruity in the way
employee benefits are thought about and
[7:58] council benefits are thought about. So
trueing up uh retirees from service and
[8:05] um elected officials that have completed
their term. There would certainly be a
[8:10] policy logic for that. We can certainly
reach back out to the survey cities to
[8:17] specifically ask the question what
benefits are continue you know and add
[8:23] that to the survey. um you know, are
there are there benefits that are given
[8:29] to council members once they're no
longer in term? We can also clearly
[8:36] expand some of the questions that we ask
in the annual survey to catch more kinds
[8:41] of um benefits that might be provided.
[8:48] I mean I understand with compensation
it's good to like look at you know
[8:52] comparison cities but like
is it okay if we just decide
[8:59] on our own that we want to have a policy
>> or do we need to again these are this is
[9:06] just a point of information it
ultimately is a policy decision from the
[9:10] council
[9:13] » then I think it would be
good for us to
[9:19] count
council members that
[9:23] have been termed out or are no longer
council members as retirees and count
[9:27] them as that for the purpose of the rec
center pass
[9:33] and then to do the the golf benefit.
Um, I kind of like the idea of the off
[9:40] peak thing just cuz it's it seems more
fair as far as the golf, but I'm open to
[9:47] that, too.
>> Yeah, I think that we should offer
[9:53] extended
um benefits to former council members um
[9:58] in appreciation of their service. also
don't think it should be restricted to
[10:02] people who have served a full term
because
[10:06] you know there's been appointees
committed countless hours to serving the
[10:11] city. So my suggestion is that we extend
these whatever the benefits end up being
[10:16] that we extend them to all former
council members who've served at least
[10:21] either on on city council as long as
they continue to live in the city of
[10:28] » and so if they move out of the city then
I don't think that I think that you know
[10:33] that's the choice they made and they no
longer get city council benefits. So um
[10:38] that would be my suggestion. Um, and
then as far as what we include, I I
[10:43] agree that we should do the council or
the the rec center passes. So for former
[10:50] council members and current obviously um
who served at least a year and then um I
[10:58] do think that we should extend it to all
rec all the recreational facilities that
[11:03] Thornton offers including the golf. So,
um,
[11:10] what that amount is, I'm not sure. I'd
like to hear what other people think,
[11:13] but I think both of those should be
offered to people who have served at
[11:17] least a year on council and continue to
remain in the city. So, if you leave the
[11:22] city, again, none of these benefits
would these benefits would stop. That
[11:26] would be your choice to leave the city.
question. Are you saying for the council
[11:33] members and their families because right
now that's what they get for the rec
[11:35] center?
>> Yes.
[11:37] » And then on the golf currently we don't
get a benefit for golf.
[11:42] » Yeah. I think we should get something
for golf but I don't know what. I'd like
[11:45] to
>> there's no discount for city, right?
[11:50] » I don't believe city employees don't get
discounts.
[11:53] » Not for golf. I know golf employees get
if there's a tea time available that's
[11:58] not taken they can get same day
reservations but I don't think that
[12:01] » I think they get a small discount in the
in the
[12:04] » in the shop
if if you actually facility
[12:12] » any objection on the rec center pass for
council members and their families after
[12:16] the they're done with at least a year
term
[12:20] I think that's an easy one sorry
>> ask a clarifying question for the rec
[12:24] center pass. Do they also need to
maintain
[12:27] Thornton residency?
>> I would say yes.
[12:29] » That's not a requirement of retirees of
the city of Thornton. They to maintain
[12:34] that.
>> I would think for council it should be.
[12:37] » Okay. I just want to make sure.
>> Yeah.
[12:46] I don't play golf so I can't really talk
much to that. So my family does though.
[12:51] So
>> if you get to take a guest,
[12:54] » right? If they can go without me, they'd
be really happy.
[12:58] » Commerce City is unlimited.
>> They have unlimited. I think that's
[13:02] » what about certain
>> pretty pretty aggressive, but
[13:05] » maybe a certain number a year.
>> Um
[13:09] better like twice a month or something
like that. That way it's got
[13:13] limitations.
>> How hard would that be to track?
[13:18] » Like a punch.
>> I think punch card. And if there was
[13:21] something we could give
>> to you,
[13:29] that would probably be easier.
[13:33] » Kids under the age of same as insurance.
Is that 23 or 25 now?
[13:40] » 26
now.
[13:42] » Okay.
>> But also have to live in the city.
[13:48] Well, it could be just like, you know,
uh, as Chris suggested, uh, two two
[13:56] forms a month and you get and you get
like the
[14:01] like a coupon or like a something you
turn in, right? And it goes to the
[14:07] council member, but they can give it to
their family.
[14:12] They ton or something like that. I don't
know how it works. You just do a punch
[14:17] card or something like that and then if
you want it through the year you go to
[14:20] the rec center.
>> So you can work out the details.
[14:23] » If we can get the parameters we can work
through the details. Yeah.
[14:27] » See maybe you can ask Karma City how
they do it.
[14:29] » Well, theirs is unlimited. So it's
>> Oh, is it unlimited?
[14:34] » Yeah.
>> General agreement twice a month for
[14:38] family members as long as they live in
the city of Thornton.
[14:42] » And you can figure out how that works.
the council member and the obviously
[14:46] council members live here, but
>> the kids do too. Yeah. And you know, I
[14:50] would say the family members should live
here too.
[14:54] » So to be clear, this is a benefit also
for current and prior. So this would
[15:01] work the same as the recreation benefit
is what is being
[15:04] » Yeah. You you say family members. What
do you mean by that?
[15:06] » Kids that live in your household.
>> Yeah. So you would get the punch card,
[15:10] but you could give it to them, right? as
long as they live in the city.
[15:14] » But they don't give their own punch.
>> Okay, that's what I was
[15:17] » No, they're like I like the two forms a
month idea
[15:20] » that kind of used by you and your
family.
[15:22] » Yeah.
>> I don't want to have to go play golf
[15:25] with them.
[15:36] » Everybody okay with that general
approach and then they'll figure out how
[15:38] to make it work.
>> Yeah.
[15:40] » Okay.
Do you have something
[15:44] » on another topic?
>> Oh, okay.
[15:47] » All right. Other topic before we move to
the
[15:49] » Yeah. I just wanted to mention to
council that we have a member of the
[15:52] public showing a video tonight with some
fairly difficult language and
[15:56] situations.
>> Um we do not see a way to protect this
[16:01] information. Uh it's basically being
provided by a citizen and it's a live
[16:07] viewing of a neighbor. Um, so I did send
an email on this today, but I just kind
[16:12] of wanted to warn you that they are
going to play that video uh if they do
[16:17] attend tonight. So the best thing is,
and the police have been made aware of
[16:22] this, is to revert it back to the police
department.
[16:27] » Turn it to attention for support,
>> pardon me, for well
[16:33] » to address the issues raised by the
citizen in the video. It's a video of a
[16:38] neighbor.
>> I watched it. It was
[16:40] » It was bad.
>> It was It was pretty mild.
[16:42] » But as a council, I'm like, "What do we
It's It is matter."
[16:46] » It's purely a police matter. So, um I
just kind of wanted to provide a bit of
[16:50] a warning.
>> Can we mute it?
[16:53] » Um
>> No. But it says our policy doesn't yet.
[16:55] » It's basically speech and there's not a
way to protect.
[16:58] » We can give a warning to those that are
watching.
[17:01] » Yeah. morning would be fine. If you've
watched it, just to say there is some uh
[17:06] you know profanity and difficult
situations that will be shown. So
[17:10] » assuming she's here, maybe you can give
that warning or somebody some staff can
[17:13] do that. Okay,
>> good time. If there are people that want
[17:16] to leave when they get if there's kids,
I would want to make sure they were out
[17:21] of the house.
>> Well, because we have Adam's 12 kids
[17:24] coming tonight
>> for the So will they be here? I guess
[17:29] they'll be here before that.
>> It's public comment.
[17:31] » Public comment. We haven't moved it yet
because we have to have two votes on it.
[17:35] So,
>> yeah. So, it would come um let me see on
[17:38] your
>> It'll come.
[17:40] » It would come after. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, some of them might be gone,
[17:43] but if they're there watching just
>> I will definitely give the warning.
[17:47] Okay.
>> Thank you. Refer that.
[17:49] » No, we have audience participation right
after the second resolution.
[17:54] » Yeah. So, it'll be after the
>> Okay. So, if there's still children,
[17:58] stop.
>> And of course, the changes to your rules
[18:00] are on first reading tonight, and they
do prohibit now video presentations. So,
[18:06] » but we still have to have
>> those are not currently in place.
[18:09] » All right.
Anything else, Tammy?
[18:12] » No, that's it.
>> Anything else, Tany?
[18:14] » No. Thank you.
>> All right. We do have a special meeting
[18:17] in executive session. So, I'm going to
go ahead and call to order the special
[18:20] meeting of the city council. Can I
please get a roll call?
[18:25] Unran W three.
>> Well, she has to call roll.
[18:28] » Well, she has to call.
>> We're not being recorded yet.
[18:31] » Mayor Coleman
>> here.
[18:33] » Council member Auno
>> here.
[18:36] » Council member Agilo
>> here.
[18:39] » Mayor Proigo
>> here.
[18:41] » Council member Martinez
>> here.
[18:43] » Council member Russell
>> here.
[18:45] » Council member Salazar
>> here. Council member Sandrin
[18:48] » here.
>> Council member
[18:50] » here. President.
>> Thank you. And Dave, you can be here for
[18:54] the vote to go into exact session, but
you won't be able to participate in the
[18:57] exec session itself.
>> Understood.
[18:59] » Before I ask for that, can I get an
overview of purpose?
[19:01] » Yes. Council's rules require uh at least
an annual evaluation of your direct
[19:06] reports, the city attorney, the city
manager, and the municipal judge. And so
[19:11] that's the purpose of this executive
session to discuss performance issues
[19:15] with your three direct reports.
>> Right. Are there any questions?
[19:20] All right. Can I get a motion? Yes. If
council would like to go into this
[19:24] executive session, the motion would be
for an executive session pursuant to
[19:27] Colorado Revised Statutes 2464024F
uh to discuss personnel matters
[19:33] regarding the municipal judge, city
attorney, and the city manager's
[19:37] performance.
>> Second.
[19:40] » We need the motion first. Motion as
stated.
[19:43] » Motion is stated.
>> Now we need a second.
[19:46] » Second.
>> All in favor, please say yes.
[19:50] » Yes. opposed, please say no. All right,
we'll take a moment to move to executive
[19:54] session.