[0:02] Okay.
I'd like to call the meeting to order.
[0:05] Please stand for the Pledge of
Allegiance.
[0:09] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, and to the
[0:14] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:19] justice for all.
>> Councilman Leader?
[0:23] Councilman Barber?
>> Here.
[0:25] » Councilwoman Carbone?
>> Here.
[0:26] » Councilman Brown?
>> Here.
[0:28] » Councilman Bronson?
>> Here.
[0:30] » Okay.
[0:34] The first resolution is to approve the
hiring of a part-time coordinator
[0:37] attendant at the transfer station.
And we'll bring that to the floor.
[0:42] » I move.
[0:44] » Do I have the name correct?
>> Yeah.
[0:47] » So, that was uh Eugene
>> Yep, and I need a second.
[0:51] » I second Eugene Barber.
>> Okay.
[0:55] Whereas the transfer station
superintendent has expressed a need for
[0:58] a part-time coordinator assistant who
has the qualifications to operate the
[1:02] loader, and whereas the position was
advertised on the town website, at the
[1:06] transfer station, and at the town hall,
be it resolved that after reviewing the
[1:11] applicants, the town board of the town
of Durham approves the hiring
[1:15] of
somebody to begin work as of Saturday,
[1:18] July 25th, 2026 at a rate consistent
with the union contract rate for that
[1:23] position.
And that is um I think $22.75.
[1:28] I have this one and take away the name
of it.
[1:31] » No, no.
That's a lot of people
[1:35] in the waiting interested in the
meeting.
[1:37] » This is um
>> Should the resolution specify how many
[1:41] hours a week we're hiring them for?
>> Um
[1:44] » Cuz I think we talked about it. 16
Saturday.
[1:48] Just Saturday and Sunday.
>> Yes. Not Wednesday, just Saturday and
[1:51] Sunday. Okay.
That's what I said.
[1:54] So, we could Yeah, like most Saturdays
and Sundays.
[1:57] Do you want to add that to the
resolution?
[2:00] yeah.
[2:02] Um
On the first sentence, I guess, has
[2:07] expressed a need for a part-time per
diem assistant that has the
[2:10] qualification qualifications separate
the loader.
[2:13] » Or maybe we could put it under the
resolved.
[2:18] Yeah, I think it should be in the
resolved. So
[2:20] in fact, you could just add it to the
end of the sentence and say for that
[2:24] position.
[2:27] » Work week will be Saturday and Sunday.
>> And and my reasoning for that is that
[2:33] Wednesday's the loader is not there. So
I'm using that.
[2:37] So that would save They use the loader
during the week for
[2:41] the pit stuff. Okay, that's the reason
behind it.
[2:44] » Work week will be Saturday and Sunday,
transfer station operating hours.
[2:54] Two days a week.
>> Yes, two days a week. Wednesday's we're
[2:56] using the loader
before they tend to that or they're
[2:59] using it. So there's really no sense to
that.
[3:02] » And and you know what, you might want to
add
[3:05] in Wednesdays as needed in case you want
to take a day off.
[3:10] That's true.
>> And Wednesday as
[3:15] » I I I tried to find somebody just to
even ask for the year.
[3:20] » I know they don't want to work weekends.
But he's willing to and I do believe
[3:24] that there are some certain weekends you
might want to check with him that he
[3:27] might be willing to
>> I have I have and I have talked with Pat
[3:30] and he said he doesn't have any
problems.
[3:32] » Yeah.
>> The rest of work week.
[3:35] » Yeah.
This? Yeah. Okay, so the applicant is
[3:39] Jeffrey Atlee. He's worked here before
for the highway garage. Um
[3:45] he certified to run the loader. He has a
CDL.
[3:49] » Does he want to see it?
>> You can see it if you can send it.
[3:54] He can work the grade.
the bucket loader, but I feel only need
[3:57] the loader right there.
You sure, right?
[4:01] Yeah.
>> Yeah, there's no problem there.
[4:04] You can fire him if you want.
>> Mhm.
[4:07] » So, I didn't think he'd want to work
again.
[4:09] » I tried to get him to come back to the
highway department.
[4:12] » Yeah, he didn't want to plow. He didn't
want to plow.
[4:14] Yeah, he didn't want to plow. I already
asked him.
[4:17] » [laughter]
[4:20] » Okay, so is there any you want to see
this summer?
[4:22] » This is only for the summer, too, right?
>> Yeah, this is just for the summer.
[4:25] » Till fall.
Till grass, man.
[4:28] » Uh we probably ought to say that.
>> Yeah, well, yeah. Well, well, I suppose
[4:32] we can
>> Um
[4:36] Okay, well, that money is going to run
out.
[4:38] » So, that money will run out. Yeah, we
had that allocated.
[4:41] » In in in addition to what we just wrote
in the results section, maybe we should
[4:46] say
for the term
[4:49] or for the duration of the summer until
whatever date Right. Whatever date he's
[4:54] going to pick.
[5:00] » Cuz the money we allocated
[5:05] » Yeah, it depends on how many um
Yeah.
[5:08] Um how about in keeping with the
budgeted amount?
[5:11] You know, because there's there's uh
there's almost 5,000. I think it's 4,800
[5:15] left in that budget, which if he was
working Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday,
[5:19] the whole time, you know, he wouldn't
even run out of money by the week of
[5:23] September.
So, if he's not going to do Wednesday,
[5:26] » No, I I really don't know.
>> he can go further into the month. So,
[5:29] I'm thinking till the money runs out.
>> [cough]
[5:31] » However,
for the duration of the [clears throat]
[5:33] summer,
[5:36] commencing at the completion of the
budgeted amount. Say something like
[5:40] that.
>> Not not commencing.
[5:42] Ending.
>> Which I mean
[5:45] » And you you mean ending.
>> For the duration of the summer.
[5:50] Okay.
>> Once you've consumed the budget.
[5:54] » Whenever the money goes out.
>> [cough]
[5:56] » Because that would bring them into fall
because you do still have the people
[5:59] coming up your town.
>> Oh, yeah.
[6:01] » They'll come right up until first snow.
I've been watching my receipts
[6:07] for the last 2 years and even January,
February, March were usually slow right
[6:12] up
all you know
[6:14] people.
And I think more of
[6:24] » How about not to exceed not to exceed
budget amount.
[6:28] » Yeah.
[6:37] » And if you want Cynthia, I can type this
into [clears throat] this and send it to
[6:41] you in a Word document so you have the
full thing.
[6:45] » So we'll put Jeff's name in the on the
blank there.
[6:47] » Yeah, we'll put Jeffrey
acronym.
[6:54] Okay.
And I'll do that. I'll type his name in
[6:57] there.
>> Thank you.
[6:58] » Okay.
[7:00] Okay.
>> Any other discussion that you want to
[7:04] have before we vote?
>> Okay. All in favor say aye.
[7:07] » Aye.
[7:19] » Second resolution is to approve the
submission of the RFP seeking proposals
[7:24] for feasibility study and construction
costs for
[7:27] 50 by 80 pavilion.
Someone want to bring this to the floor?
[7:31] » I will.
>> Yeah, done. And then add you to be
[7:35] second.
Okay.
[7:38] Um
So, Warren County Planning
[7:43] has been helping work on this proposal.
They've done the majority of the work on
[7:47] this as far as all the wording.
I've also gotten Well, it's all on the
[7:51] thing. I'll read it and then we'll
move both from there.
[7:54] Whereas the Town of Thurman is the
recipient of the Smart Road Grant in the
[7:58] amount of $35,000 for the purpose of
hiring an engineer to complete a
[8:02] feasibility study which would include
the design and estimated costs as well
[8:07] as ABA compliance requirements and
provide a document that can assist the
[8:11] town in obtaining grant funding for the
implementation of the project. And
[8:15] whereas an RFP has been completed with
the assistance of the Warren County
[8:18] Planning Department, Warren County
Purchasing Department, and various
[8:22] professionals at the Department of
Environmental Conservation, Division of
[8:26] Lands and Forests.
And whereas this grant requires
[8:29] submission to New York State certified
minority and women-owned business
[8:33] enterprises as well as New York State
certified service-disabled veterans, be
[8:38] it resolved that the Town Board of the
Town of Thurman approves the submission
[8:41] of an RFP seeking proposals from MWBE
and SDVOB qualified engineers.
[8:50] Okay? And then you have
I think it's like 15 or 18 pages of this
[8:54] proposal.
So, I need board approval before I can
[8:57] send this out to all of the
minority and women-owned businesses and
[9:03] disabled vets that are on the list that
I get from these
[9:07] organizations.
>> So, in your resolution, I think this
[9:13] sentence it something doesn't make
sense. It said would include a design
[9:17] and estimated costs. I mean, when you're
talking about estimated cost estimated
[9:22] cost [clears throat] of what?
Cuz this is this is the design. You're
[9:25] you're hiring the engineer and
it's for you
[9:29] you're contracting for engineering
services.
[9:33] What estimated costs are we talking
about?
[9:35] » The estimated costs for build for
whatever they decide as far as what it's
[9:39] going to cost for the whole project. For
the pavilion itself, for the ADA
[9:43] compliancy,
anything else that we
[9:46] » So, you you're talking about
to prepare a cost estimate.
[9:49] » Yes.
>> Okay, then I think we need to rewrite
[9:52] this.
So, feasibility study which would
[9:57] um
include
[10:01] » They're going to design Well, they're
not going to build it, but they're going
[10:03] to design it.
[10:06] » I would say it would include the
necessary design documents
[10:10] and
an engineering cost estimate.
[10:16] » An engineering cost estimate? Well,
>> Or an engineer's cost estimate.
[10:24] I mean,
to say estimated cost, I mean, it's
[10:27] confusing the way cuz that doesn't say
what you mean.
[10:32] It's not
saying what you're intending it to say.
[10:37] I hate to be picky about it, but it it's
not grammatically correct.
[10:42] » All right, so it would include the
necessary design
[10:46] and
engineered cost estimate? Isn't that
[10:50] sort of the same?
[10:54] » Estimated cost makes it sound like the
estimated cost to build it or I mean,
[11:00] the
>> It would be
[11:02] » I didn't say that right. Um
[11:08] Tell you what, just make it say
estimated cost of construction.
[11:12] » Okay.
[11:15] » Just take the S off and say of
construction afterwards.
[11:18] » All right, that's fine. That works for
which would include the necessary design
[11:23] and estimated cost of construction. Mhm.
Okay.
[11:35] » Did you get that?
>> I'll type it in for her anyway. I always
[11:39] fix it in I always If anything changes,
I do it in Word so she has it to copy
[11:43] and paste for the minutes. Yeah.
[11:48] Right.
>> Um I just have one question about the
[11:52] what we're talking about here. How did
we arrive at this size that you like?
[11:57] » Um to fit the to fit the ice rink in
side of it with room.
[12:03] I think it would be like
40 by 65 is the ice rink. So, we'd have
[12:08] about a few feet around the edges of the
ice rink.
[12:11] » So, the ice rink that we have is
[snorts]
[12:15] it's just a recreational ice rink. It's
not
[12:18] it's not like a regulation hockey size
or a
[12:21] » hockey size.
It's 40 by 65.
[12:27] » Regulation hockey is a lot
>> Well, it came with it came with hockey
[12:32] uh
goalie things and stuff.
[12:35] » I think that's just
for kids to play. I mean, it's not it's
[12:40] not a whole
competitive size ice rink. Competitive
[12:43] size ice rink is way bigger.
>> Well, our ice rink I think is 40 by 65.
[12:48] » Yeah.
Okay.
[12:49] » So, that left me about 5 ft because of
the pillar the way the pillars will take
[12:53] up space on the concrete.
So, we need
[12:57] a little bit bigger than what that would
be.
[13:02] » I mean,
I just want to make sure that
[13:05] what we're building is going to suit the
intent that you're trying to go for
[13:10] because it sounds like from what you've
said before that you want to bring
[13:14] people to town.
>> Right.
[13:16] » To rent space or to rent ice time?
>> Well, not just that like but we could
[13:21] have flea market up there or self-serve
coffee could be up there. They'll have a
[13:25] dance floor area there.
>> And those things are all like you can
[13:28] make it of
you can make it any size you want those
[13:31] things. But when you start talking about
something like hockey
[13:35] the ice rinks are specific sizes.
Regulation size is the one that we had.
[13:40] » Right. Rather than do a regulation
>> Yes.
[13:43] » This this is just
>> Well, we got we got to go a little bit
[13:45] bigger than what we had.
>> Yeah.
[13:48] Well, because the pillars are right in
front of them.
[13:52] » The people
most of the people go to the time and
[13:56] Zachary they want to sit on the same
platform with the band with no walls in
[14:01] front.
>> Mhm.
[14:02] » And this would be perfect. And that's
about the average size that the other
[14:07] » Yeah.
>> And that's about what we could deal with
[14:10] up there and what we don't you know.
>> Well, see we
[14:13] we've always had our regular pavilion
plus the white tent. When you add up
[14:18] that square footage it's it's pretty
large.
[14:21] » So,
I guess what I'm what I'm going with
[14:23] this is
what I'm
[14:26] » [clears throat]
>> is rather than
[14:28] specify and tell the engineer this is
the size we want have him evaluate what
[14:33] we're trying to do and tell us what size
fits our needs.
[14:37] » Mhm.
>> Because maybe he'll come back and say,
[14:40] "Well, it really should be 60 by 100." I
don't know.
[14:45] » Yeah.
>> You know, we're we're we're dictating
[14:48] the size that we don't even know if that
size is right because having only 5 ft
[14:53] around the sides
if you're going to have
[14:56] like spectators parents coming to watch
a hockey game
[15:00] they don't usually just stand around the
boards and having only 5 ft doesn't
[15:04] leave much room for people to stand
around it. So,
[15:07] ultimately you may end up wanting a
different size rink than what you're
[15:11] specifying. And if you lock the engineer
into it and he designs this and then
[15:15] later on we go, "Man, that didn't really
work."
[15:18] You might want something different.
>> In section two though it does say
[15:23] approximately.
It says approximately 50 by 80.
[15:27] It says 50, actually. Yeah. 50 by 80,
approximately. So, I mean, that's up for
[15:32] discussion when they
>> Okay.
[15:35] » We're limited to what you can actually
build up there for the distance of
[15:39] property.
[15:46] » Yeah, I just don't want to see him walk
into something
[15:50] It's all the money we have or something
that
[15:52] cuz that's all we wanted, whatever.
>> Yeah.
[15:54] » I mean, it should be.
[15:57] » We we can
We can make anything happen.
[16:02] » What is the figure approximately 50 by
80?
[16:05] » Yeah, that's what it says in the It says
approximately in the RFP.
[16:11] I'll tell you, I don't know how those
>> Well, the notice questionnaire says
[16:14] processing for 50 by 80.
>> No, it doesn't say it on this page.
[16:20] » Yeah.
>> Should be soon. But, I can add that.
[16:23] » I I would That would be my
recommendation is to to make it
[16:29] » Okay, I can do that.
[16:35] » Yeah, but you don't want it bigger.
Always go bigger.
[16:38] » Always go bigger. No, I don't know. 50
by 80, I mean, we measured it up there.
[16:42] Yeah, it's a pretty good size.
>> It'll be tight. It'll be tight. It'll be
[16:44] tight.
Piece of ground we have 80 ft.
[16:48] Yeah. Everything I've ever built needs
to be bigger.
[16:51] » [laughter]
>> I'm telling you, it's just it's just the
[16:54] way things work.
[16:57] » And no one ever wants to go smaller.
>> No.
[17:00] » Yeah.
>> So. It's pretty much
[17:04] » I think my requirement is I need to have
at least 60% of it from a minority
[17:09] women-owned business [snorts] and then
6% from disabled veterans. So, we'll
[17:13] have to send this out to every single
the on the list, no matter where they
[17:16] are in the state.
It's quite a bit of people.
[17:19] Um we went through that one.
[17:23] But we do have some local.
>> Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you see them there?
[17:30] » Who was it?
[17:37] Oh.
Oh, yeah. You had told me about that.
[17:40] Yeah.
[17:45] Okay. Is there any other discussion on
it?
[17:48] Okay. All in favor, say aye.
>> Aye.
[17:55] » Um
I did, when I went down to my county
[17:59] meeting,
[18:05] Okay. There are two bills here. One is
Packerland.
[18:09] They came in. They're from when the
paving was done back in June. One is
[18:13] from May.
Um they didn't get paid with the last
[18:18] come on
meeting. And Pat needs these to
[18:23] file for chips. I think it's due August
8th.
[18:26] So there won't be enough time to wait to
pay them. So these are the bills. So
[18:30] they're small. They're 1,245.
And then this other one is for Mike
[18:35] Tobin.
And what happened here is
[18:40] for some reason Microsoft 365, which is
our email and the word
[18:45] word and excel and all that,
wasn't taking my credit card. So Mike
[18:49] Tobin put it on his personal card
to get to keep us running cuz they had
[18:54] to shut our email down for a bit.
Um and I want to reimburse him as quick
[18:58] as possible.
So I have a resolution.
[19:02] I'll have to do it to the floor, but um
just to approve these two bills to be
[19:07] paid.
>> So those are ones that we're adding to a
[19:10] previous abstract? What are these?
>> This is This is the next abstract. It's
[19:14] abstract eight. It's our August
abstract, but this allowing me to pay it
[19:18] now instead of waiting for the meeting.
Like a prepayment like these up here.
[19:23] » Okay.
>> And they're listed on here.
[19:27] So.
>> So, you want to
[19:30] state a resolution for it?
>> Yeah.
[19:32] Resolution to approve
two invoices from abstract eight for
[19:37] Peckham and Malcolm
>> in the amount of
[19:41] » Yeah, in the amount of
Peckham is in the amount of $247.10
[19:47] and $998.12.
[19:51] Malcolm is $311.64.
[19:56] And I'll take this over for you,
Cynthia.
[19:59] » Thank you, ma'am.
>> Yeah.
[20:02] Okay.
>> So, that's the resolution. I'll make the
[20:05] motion.
>> Second.
[20:20] » Okay.
All in favor, say aye.
[20:23] » Aye.
>> Any opposed?
[20:29] And then
the discussion item I have is when I was
[20:33] at the county
I was talking to Evan Garrett about our
[20:38] cemetery situation.
Ethan Garrett from county planning was
[20:41] there, and he said that they do
they do cemetery planning like what we
[20:46] need done. So, yesterday I had meetings
again. I brought a copy of the
[20:53] cemetery plot that we had done already,
the survey that we had already received,
[20:58] and I brought it down there, and real
property scanned it in. He's going to
[21:01] send it to Ethan, and I'll find out if
they can help us planning cemetery. He
[21:06] said that they it.
>> Okay. So, along those lines, I did call
[21:12] Don Barrow. Spoke to him. He said they
have all the field work done. He
[21:16] apologized profusely for not wrapping
this up. He said that he would pull up
[21:20] that afternoon and talk to his guys and
that he will be sending me something.
[21:25] » Oh.
>> He indicated like within a day or two,
[21:29] but it's been more than that. So, I If I
don't hear something by early next week,
[21:32] I will call him again.
But, he he knows that it's long overdue.
[21:37] He knows he's got to get it done. He is
He's committed to getting it done. So,
[21:43] I'll give him another week or so and
if he doesn't get it done, I'll just
[21:48] call somebody.
>> Okay.
[21:52] Yeah.
They're all busy. Yeah, exactly.
[21:58] Unless you are going to
pick up some more.
[22:07] Yeah.
I better write it down.
[22:12] Did you hear anything about the plant
closing?
[22:15] Anybody? plant that it was closing.
>> I heard that rumor. I Maybe it's just a
[22:20] rumor. I heard that and the same guy I
heard the rumor about
[22:24] Finch shutting down.
>> I don't
[22:26] know. The only thing I've heard is Finch
buying it.
[22:28] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> They're not closing. They're just not
[22:31] buying. So, it's still open.
>> Yep.
[22:39] Okay. So, do you want to let Jeff know
>> Yeah, I'll tell him.
[22:45] » Great. Thank you. I appreciate it. I
appreciate you.
[22:48] » Do you need him to fill out paperwork or
is he already an employee? So,
[22:51] » He's been an employee and I just got to
make sure he doesn't want to change
[22:55] anything, but yeah, all I had to fill
out was an application. That's what
[22:59] So, but he's been
Yeah, if he wants anything again,
[23:06] Yeah.
[23:17] Yeah.
Yeah, somebody ordered
[23:21] Yeah.
Thank you.
[23:25] And be good.
[23:30] I like that.
>> [snorts]
[23:33] » He'll work till the money runs out.
That's how long he'll work.
[23:40] When does that start? Remember though,
right?
[23:43] September 26th. Um
All right, well, we know.
[23:49] That's when you're gone.
Okay.
[23:52] All right, [snorts] well, then you're
up. We're adjourned.
[23:53] » Motion to adjourn.
>> I'll second.
[23:56] » Okay.
>> All right.
[23:58] » Aye.
[24:01] » Okay.