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Hello, colleagues, ready in front?

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We'll welcome again to those in the room and may invite you to sign the guest list if you've not yet done that on the shelf and they took to my right in the back of the room.

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We will begin with our pledge.

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Can I say when I look at you right next year, I'm chair, okay, we had no public comments.

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We do have one agenda item today which is postponed and that is agenda item number four.

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All right, we will jump into our legislative administrative agenda with consideration of

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an intergovernmental grant agreement, number PO-1000-0000-000047155, but the Oregon Department

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of Human Services for Developmental Disabilities Services, and I have listed your front

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Ken Williams Executive Director, as well as David Richmond Program Manager, Co. McKinley

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Count SIG.

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I'm not sure.

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Are you carrying this search?

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Thank you.

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I don't think he's coming to the end.

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You don't think he's coming to the end?

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coming to the front and joining us in this conversation and if you wouldn't mind just identifying,

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make sure that microphone is on, you can tell if you push the button, it should be glowing green

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in the square around the button, there at the base. Yes. Yeah, but I'm just David Richland,

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on the program manager with the development, I'll display program for Dilma County.

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Wonderful.

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Appreciate you having me today.

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Do you want me to jump in? Yeah, if you talk to us a little bit about

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the agreement and then we I know our next item on the agenda is then going to be as

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sign this agreement and then to make a plan to actually cancel this agreement. So if you

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could talk about the agreement and then perhaps we can talk about them in one conversation

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and then take action into motion. Sure. Happy to give a program more of you too for folks that

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aren't familiar with that. That would be great. I don't know if we had an overview on your programs

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for quite some time. Yeah, sounds great. Yeah, again, I'm David Richmond with the Developmental

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Disability Program. We've been serving until the county for a number of years now. It's a long

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same program that's been subcontracted through the county by the State of Oregon.

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We serve people with intellectual and development of disability, so things such as folks

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with CFGIC, deficits, straw policy, down syndrome, autism, obviously it's a big one nowadays

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traumatic brain injury, feed off call effects and syndrome, freighter will lead to rats,

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the number of different disabilities,

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genetic disorders that can be eligible for our program.

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Our program provides a lifespan case management,

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so from birth to death,

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and currently we're serving about 225 people in the county.

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There's been a number of folks that have come and go through the program

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and then there's a voluntary program too,

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so it's not a mandatory program, so people do choose to come and go.

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A9 of our folks, this is as of last Friday,

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are currently children.

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We currently serve folks through nine different adult foster care homes,

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So I also have one children's posture on them.

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We have three group columns in the telecommunications area.

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We have several people in support living.

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So having support by professional agency

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coming to their home and providing daily living skill,

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skills, training things of that nature.

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Most of our people are served through what's called

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in-home comprehensive services.

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And so they receive support, skills training

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from a personal support worker or a direct support

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professional comes in and it works with them

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things like hygiene, behavior management and shopping, budgeting, safety supports, taking the medical

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appointments, range of medical appointments, things of that nature as well.

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Marie Mills, you might be familiar with Marie Mills, Marie Mills has been in the clinic for a

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number of decades now and they don't just provide support living in group homes support,

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they also provide our folks with job employment services and also what's called

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They support activities or DSA, which gives folks opportunity to socialize and come and do different crafts activities and things in the community, but also in their facility down on front street.

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And some of the additional services we offer, they're really popular.

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In addition to what I mentioned before, as a relief care and giving parents a break from folks, you know, I got a credit to a lot of our families, they serve their family members for many many years.

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Yeah, I mentioned three group homes. There's not many people at homes that are counting a lot of our families take care of their folks for many decades

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And again, thank them now for the work they do. It's very challenging work for some of those folks.

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We are for our assistive technology, different devices. They help people communicate if they don't have traditional communication skills.

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Home modifications, we just did a fence for a family that has a young boy that runs a lot.

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So to keep him safe and give my opportunity

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to be on the side and clean his community,

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somewhere recently, and we also provide adult

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and use the best case in the protective service in the soul.

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So Kylie Petrie is one of our students, one of our staff, who's an abusive investigator and in the out of the case of the abusive neglect, involve people on developmental disabilities, we screen those cases and possibly do investigations on those more closely with law enforcement, when it's criminal matter potentially and also with a DHS and their seniors and fellow officers as well.

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I just want to give a couple of important notes, as Aaron mentioned, about the contract itself.

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Some of the things we're at, I believe, back in 2325 that we didn't get to, but just to give folks an update.

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This has been in two.

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We've been working with her a number of years now on John Classifications for the DB staff and things.

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There's different levels under the Department of Administrative Services, and different descriptions.

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And in DB, some of the positions were paid at the same level as some of the others, like the book we have.

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And APD, which is aging people, disabilities, the senior's office.

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So, I want to work with them with those descriptions.

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And some of these salaries, those positions have a class that have increased.

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we have seen dollar amounts to those yet, but some decreases well, but we haven't seen

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the legislature approve those, yes, we're hoping that in the short session, 206,

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they'll incorporate those into what's called the workload model, which helps fund our program.

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I'm an eligibility specialist and service coordinator, which also knows the case manager,

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those two positions, so dratic increases, which will help us potentially if those get implemented at some point.

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Well, the workload one change it happened in 2023-25, it's of note, if you're familiar with

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DD at all, the contract should be paid 95% of what the state would think themselves

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to run the program.

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I thought it was years ago that it was subcontracted in DD so that the state would have

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essentially a better, more bank for the buck to pay a nonprofit or a county program to run

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the programs.

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That has now changed, we did a lot of advocacy around getting those programs funded at 100%

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So it's easier for legislative to understand how the program is funded.

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That means the program currently is funded about 86.4% of the full model at this time.

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So we're not seeing full funding.

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But you're probably saying, Tom McKinney, we're still able to maintain all the services.

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We think we're appropriate to folks and serve people well in our review on February of this last year with highest quarter of the state of Oregon.

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We had 118 out of 118 areas where perfect score.

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So, our staff were doing really well.

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I wanted to just get them to shout out for what they do in the county.

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There was, you might be aware that there was a initial contract that came out, and then it was, I believe, folks here looked at that, possibly in the sign, and things were ready to go.

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Then the state pulled back on two different areas.

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They changed some language, rather than service equity plans.

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Then also there's a transition that the governor chose to bring back the foster peer in license,

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in the certification roles, back to the State of Oregon, under the DD Lexington Union, and so

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that change was also reflected in the screen contact, and we're looking out today, or if you

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were able to do it. So for us, just to give perspective, over the course of the blame, it takes

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about 0.3 staff or through FD staff away from our program, over the course of

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the questions I can answer

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That was a great overview of your program and contract commissioners. Are there questions or?

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It's fantastic. I'm getting those high scores.

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Yeah, thank you.

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I'd like twice. Congratulations on those high scores. That really is outstanding.

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Best of all again is it's heartening for us to hear and well done to the people who provide the services.

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Perfect. Okay. So the contract itself, you'd give you details on the contract.

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and I'll just give a little context for that.

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This is, as many of our services,

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that go to tell my family counseling,

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money comes from the state to county,

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the county then subcontracts with

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tell my family counseling to provide these services.

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What's a little bit different about this one is that

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we are actually as the county not required

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to first receive the funds and then pass them on.

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We actually have the opportunity to step out

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of that role and allow these funds

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to go directly from the state to tell them

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my chemical counseling center.

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And we gave it to his position a couple of years ago.

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We had this conversation for the first time.

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And this type when it came up again,

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I actually asked kind of counsel to review

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and see if there was a reason that we needed

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to be in this contract.

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By being in this contract, we actually slowed down payments.

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I believe to tell them my chemical counseling center

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because there is a requirement

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that we put in for the payment.

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We have to give the information from tell them

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Emily Counseling Center, which requires, I believe it's, it's Sean and her treasurer's office to get that information.

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Go into an online system and I think it's a per client base and so it's just, it's complicated and we're not adding any value to the program and in fact we're causing some slowdowns for the program.

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I might believe by having it come through the county.

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So I did confirm with county council that it is not a requirement for us to do this, it is an option.

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I think, David, you said we are one of two counties or three counties remaining in the state

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or stay in this mix. It's a fairly small one.

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There's about six, but most of them are in the East Norgen and there's one non-profit

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of the manges, most of the counties.

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So for the most part, counties have taken the step back and allowed the streamlining with

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the state to occur. And so while we are looking today to approve the contract, it's for

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a six-month window and that really just has to do with the fact that we didn't have time

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to make that adjustment with the state prior to the contract and we need to get it signed.

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So, Tom McFanley counseling and this program can be paid, but what we will be taking

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up in our next agenda item is an intention to basically cancel this contract as of December 31st

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and this year so that Tom McFanley counseling can go directly to the state on this.

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So, we'll take these two agenda items together.

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Did I miss anything?

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No, the one thing on the out is that Donald Kang is the first Friday Refusal, so my

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server change is when we want to go back to this recurrence, it's arranged what we can do that to.

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Okay, no, I appreciate your summary.

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Yeah, thank you, now I think it's confusing and yet clears up a whole lot of things.

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So if we do it that way.

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With that, I think we are ready for a motion unless there are further questions.

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Is there any further questions?

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Yeah, sounds like it.

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Madam Chair, I'm over approval of an Intergovernmental grant agreement number

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P O dash 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0, we're 7 1 1 5 5 with the

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Oregon Department of Human Services for Developmental Disability Services.

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Oh, second block.

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We have a motion in the second.

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Is there any further discussion?

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Hearing none, I will call for the vote.

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All in favour?

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Could be signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Motion carries.

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We will immediately move on to item number six, which I believe

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you can read into the record as a motion.

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And I'm sure I'm as approval of the letter of intent to the

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Oregon Department of Human Services to terminate intergovernmental grant agreement number

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PO-1000-00-0047155 for development.

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I have a motion and a second.

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Hearing none, I will call for the vote.

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I will call for the vote.

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All right.

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Thank you so much.

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David, I appreciate you being with us.

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I appreciate you being in the room.

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I'd like to have people come in.

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I'd like to have people come in.

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I'd like to have people come in.

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I'd like to have people come in.

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Okay, moving on to item number seven, which is a contract for goods with Boyd's implementation

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service LLC for replacement utility vehicles for the Park Steak Department.

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We have Dan Kies, Director of Parks with us.

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Good morning, Dan.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you

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for your time.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you for your time.

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have gotten off-carts. We've gotten those last year. We've got four of them out of Portland.

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I won't say the name of who we got from because the decisions that we would like to move forward

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this year, but you know, it almost immediately three of them recorded warranty work.

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We had to figure out a transportation back and forward the Portland. We got that taken care of

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and then almost following that. We had more warranty work to the point where we actually had to request

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Lovers from them in order to get by and most of you know if anything about the parks department that utility vehicles are more or less the backbone of what we do

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They're very important and they they sort of a lot of tasks

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It's so with that in mind I can I can tell you that by the time that

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golf carts got into service that we bought last November

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It was just three weeks ago

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So we were pretty disappointed in the whole process

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So we start to look for options and one of the things that we wanted to do is we want to buy local as much as possible.

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Partners will go sort of, but not like not like Kilma County.

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And so we had a conversation with Kaboda, which is sold out of Boyd's implement service and telemark.

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And they provided us with the opportunity to take a look at what are called RTV520s.

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They're what, in fact, they are a lot better than the, than the Gulf of Cards.

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We had a, we had a $45,000 this year in the budget to purchase these items, what

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we'd like to do is to spend $30,000 to $40,000 and $44,000 on to this year to help replate

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the partnership stock in the meantime, parts, staff is working on a fairly lengthy surplus list

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will be bringing to you for approval within the coming weeks, which includes getting rid of

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some of our or ones that no longer work, and then we've been using for parts for a while.

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So with that in mind, we would like your approval to move forward with this.

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And if you have any questions, please let me know. I'll be more than happy to answer those.

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Okay. Thank you. Questions or comments? I am sorry about the trouble with the golf

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arts, it's wild, it's that gets disappointing. And the sounds like a great solution and I totally

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support buying local stuff. Very welcome. Thank you. I agree. And also, I think it will be

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better equipment for the job. The golf court is not built for the kind of the task you guys

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use them for. So I think it's great move. I think it'll last longer. He's easy to serve as you locally

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and I think it's a great, great move. Great, thank you.

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Yeah, and I agree with my colleagues. I think we are ready for a motion.

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Madam Chair, I move approval of a contract for goods,

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with Boyd's implementing service LLC, for replacement utility vehicles,

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for the parks department.

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I circle up.

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We have a motion in a second, any further discussion.

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Hearing none, I will call for the vote.

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All in favor for the signify by saying aye.

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Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Aye. Aye.

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Thank you, Gary.

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We're sure thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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We'll all come out for a ride.

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No, no, no, no.

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Okay, I'm moving on to item eight.

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Consideration of amendment number one to intergovernmental agreement.

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Number seven, please, zero, zero, dash, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero,

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zero, three, four, three, five.

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With the Oregon Department Administration,

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for right-of-way services for the Dick Creek Bridge,

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Payocean Road Project, Crislady Public Works,

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and what's with the zero state of Oregon?

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Good morning, commissioners.

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Dickery Bridge was the bridge on Biosen Road that was previously completed last year,

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not to be confused with the current ongoing construction of flowerpockery which the road is

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closed toward. So this we do have two agreements for Dickery, one is for the construction of Dickery

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and the second one is for right away services. This is specific to the right away services.

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With this allows essentially extends the contract out until, instead of September 30th of 2024, it extends it out to December 23 of 2025, and that allows the ODOT to do some post construction monitoring.

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The a little bit of delay in this agreement had to do with the right away agent assigned to this project being and other assigned to other projects.

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This was part of the run up to ODOT managing and modifying their staff due to some adjustments to trying to reduce the rule over our operating cost, which is currently going through the Senate, is part of their existing bill.

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So ODOT has been fairly aggressive in trying to reduce their cost for the last couple of years.

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This agreement also changes the name of the project to comply with current ODOT standards.

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So, those are the two fundamental items associated with the Dick Creek Bridge.

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Thank you.

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Question to comments.

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No, neither.

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No, nor do I.

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So, I would look for motion, please.

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Man, chair, I move approval of amendment number one to

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Intergovernmental Agreement.

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Number seven, three, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero,

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three, four, three, five.

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If the Oregon Department of Transportation for

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for the Dick Creek Bridge A-Ocean Road Project.

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What is the second?

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We have a motion in a second.

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Any further discussion?

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Hearing none, I will call for the vote.

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On the favor, please signify by saying aye.

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Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Motion carries.

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Item number nine, also for Chris.

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Consideration of amendment number two,

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to enter governing minimum agreement number,

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seven, three, zero, zero,

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dash, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero,

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three, four, three, four,

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with ordering the Department of Transportation

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for right-of-way services for dry Greek bridge and Crystal Creek Bridge, Miami-Holy Road,

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Project.

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So just like Dick Creek, this right-of-way agreement is separate

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than the actual construction agreement.

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We do get questions every so often that why is ODOT involved on a county road?

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And this applies to the ocean and Miami frustrated people on Miami,

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because those two bridges are currently under construction.

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And the reason why ODOT manages the bridges on the county road is has to do with a federal money.

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County cannot manage the federal money tied to these bridges, ODOT has to manage those, that's why ODOT is involved. So this is exactly like the Bay Ocean Road where we are extending this really just an extension of the contract.

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within 30 days, open that backup.

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We have post construction monitoring permits.

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So this extends the contract for the right way services

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from September 30th of 24 through February 14th of 26th.

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That's it.

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Questions, comments, thank you, sir.

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So I'm for me.

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None for me either, except to say

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that I drove over those free business morning

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and that they're making great progress

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on the Crystal Creek Bridge.

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I know it was closed on Monday and and and and they to do some significant work. And so it's just encouraging see the ongoing process progress and also this may not be the right forum for this but I just want to mention that people on that road jump those red lights and I wish there were cameras on the lights to notify the police.

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Because I've seen some wild and unsafe behavior including vehicles at a head-on in the one lane where somebody had to back up because somebody jumped the red light

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I've had people behind me when I've had the red light honking and waving like angry like telling me go through the light go through the light

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It's wild

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So I think there should be cameras on those lights

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Chris any comment

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So, I think that was the interesting idea of never heard that, actually, that might be something

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I'll bring to O'Donnell's attention.

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One of the things that we have struggled with in Tillamit County is when we have the signals

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which we have currently temporary signals up on the family crewed slide, they are in there

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until we can finish building the rest of that.

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We, ODOT, had these temporary signals on when they had the cover problem on how we won 31.

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They currently had these cameras on to whom the highway won 31 over the Tilmach River,

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whether they're doing some work on that bridge.

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Ideally, these would be censored.

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They would take a look.

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Yes, there's a car there.

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Let's go ahead and change it.

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The problem we run out here is that the fog comes in and that is creating a lot of problems with these signals, the brain that we get and tell them that creates problems with these signals.

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So the, we tried to do those to help reduce some of the red, green light issues, they just, they don't really work.

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So the, what is the best available signal timing because now we're, we're timed as opposed to sensors picking up vehicles.

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If we were able to do sensors, this problem would be resolved, but they just don't work until

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in the count.

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But I haven't heard the camera for police and sheriff, so this is something that I think

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I'll raise to ODOT and see if they have any thoughts on that.

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Thank you.

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And Chris, so I know that they did have the road closed on Monday and they did some significant

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work for a commercial.

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How much longer do we expect to have the one-way lights on my family fully at the two bridges?

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You mentioned that.

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30 days or less?

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Okay, and that was for both of us.

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This afternoon at 1 o'clock, I'll have an update

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on construction schedule associated with that.

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The contract is pushing for one more day of closure.

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It's been closed previously for a day

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because in order to move those beams around,

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you're looking at 50 foot, 60 foot beams.

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As they move those around, it takes a large crane.

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The crane sets up in the middle of the road,

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but the extend out to give it some security.

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some stabilization. That takes up the entire road. So there's really not a lot of options.

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There is no other options other than closer road in order to do these without adding

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significant expenses. So the contractor is pushing to do one more round of closures.

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We're pushing back and keep the bridge open. So that discussion with the bridges open.

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discussion, we'll start taking place at one o'clock through a weekly progress meeting.

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Okay, so we'll take our fingers crossed that perhaps both of those will be gone within 30 days.

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So that's correct.

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That would be great.

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Okay, thank you.

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Other questions or comments for yours?

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All right.

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I would entertain a motion.

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Madam Chair, I move approval of amendment number two to our governmental agreement number seven three zero zero

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dash zero zero zero zero three four three four with the Oregon Department of Transportation.

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for right-of-way services for dry-click, bridge, and crystal-click bridge on Miami-Full

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Libre.

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Oh, I said you look.

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We have a motion in a second.

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Is there any further discussion?

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Hearing none.

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I will call for the vote.

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All of favor.

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Please signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Thank you, Chris.

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Okay.

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Item 10.

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Consideration of an order in the matter of a notice of intent to award a prevailing wage

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rate contract for construction of the man's Anita transfer station improvement project.

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just so we saw a waste program manager. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning.

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So we put out a call for bids in August for our east wall, the Institute of Construction Project,

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this so increased capacity for garbage collection, scrap metal, as well as some stormwater

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infrastructure with re-grading sites, creating some stormwater basins. And so bids are received on August

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26, the low bidder came in very close to the engineer's estimate, which was exciting.

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It was significantly lower than many of the other bids, so we'll anticipate some cost savings

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on the project, which is great.

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And LED contractors as a low bidder, so this is a notice of intent to award them the contract

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to hopefully begin construction, you know, we're getting into the wet season, so we're

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going to work with them to perhaps break ground sooner rather than later, but excited to

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get the project going and happy to answer any questions if you do have me.

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Perfect. Thank you questions commissioners. No, but I think that is exciting

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Wonderful, I have a question after this topic for you. I'm gonna relate it well

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topic within your your world

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Okay, I think we're ready for motion out of chair. I'm a approval of order number 25-060 in the matter of the notice of intent to award a prevailing wage rate

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Contracts the construction for the man's and the other transfer station improvements project. I second to have a motion in a second any further discussion

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Hearing none, I will call for the vote on favor, please signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Thank you.

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So Justin, I know we've visited about coffee.

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Are you still there?

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Yep.

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We visited about coffee and you landfill previously.

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And I know that we have kind of said, well, we're watching out and out into the future.

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I have received phone calls for a number of fellow commissioners that share about landfill.

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Just asking, you know, if we are looking more intently now because

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The public, the company that owns our operates, as I understand, was denied their expansion.

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And it is now in front of the Benton County Commissioners for an appeal, which is illegal.

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We expected to go to Luba. There is a concern that if that appeal, I think, booze, and they are unable to expand that our timeline for the closure of that landfill becomes very short.

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So I just didn't know if you were engaged in conversations, particularly in partnership with other counties such as Lincoln County.

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I believe Lincoln claps at, I think, maybe use that one too as well.

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Anyway, if there are conversations happening,

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if we are looking toward what a future solution could be,

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because I understand looking at the information,

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there have been some TQ violations and other things

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that might actually cause that expansion to fail

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in terms of land use and approval and numbers.

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Years, like, 25 have been thrown out there or 2030.

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So you know five years being I think on the short end of closure. So just curious where we might be in those conversations.

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Yeah, and I appreciate you bring that up commissioner. Yeah, I'm actually over about two years ago. I joined

454
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Keep that strong coalition had a good check in meeting with a couple individuals. So this has been on my radar. I will say

455
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:17,460
There's been an update over the last two three months. I think with the recent middle of the application by Republic and the back and forth.

456
00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:19,000
It's just come up a couple of times.

457
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,300
You talked with the Creamery last week, they're concerned about it.

458
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:26,780
And so we had a good conversation yesterday at our September SWAC meeting, which Commissioner

459
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:31,580
of Fournier was able to attend all the haulers were there, and we had a good roundtable

460
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,160
on, you know, what are some other options?

461
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,860
Obviously, keep that in strong, is a big local resource instead of touting, you know, keep

462
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:41,280
it local.

463
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,240
It's a cost savings for local communities, and so yeah, if it does close from what I saw

464
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,660
and some of the paperwork we used to have to do at SWAC.

465
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:54,100
Yeah, it was three years for the current cell.

466
00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:56,660
There's a quarry section which can add maybe 10 years.

467
00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:01,380
So they were thinking about 13 years potentially or less

468
00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:04,360
with the closure of the incinerator outside Salem.

469
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,040
That's going to increase the amount of flow of the waste

470
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,800
into the coffee and new landfill.

471
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,060
And so yeah, this is becoming more and more of a hot topic.

472
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:26,320
one of our swag members, Jesse just is on the keep in strong or shoot on a task force at the state level looking about that version as a way to increase the life of the land fill so

473
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:33,060
you know yesterday with the swag we've got the RMA the new recycling law a lot of the haulers and us are working through and that's

474
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,620
a really big push by the end of the year but once 2026 comes

475
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,600
We're going to really we're selling waste at least is going to pivot with the haulers or we're going to start looking at some of the other options.

476
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,140
But, you know, the haulers with their expertise, Arlington was the kind of next step.

477
00:32:49,280 --> 00:33:02,640
But obviously that would be probably hauling the garbage to a rail yard in Portland, then putting it on a train and then truck or sending it on a train over to another landfill, which obviously increased our costs quite a bit.

478
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,700
So we're going to need to work on that and try to figure out, yeah, pencil out the numbers.

479
00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:12,680
But yeah, this is F-2026 issue to take up and really look at harder, because people are getting

480
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,460
more and more concerned.

481
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,540
So it's on our radar here at Solid Waste Commissioner.

482
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:17,080
Perfect.

483
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,680
Thank you.

484
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:18,760
I figured that it was.

485
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,000
But I had a, being a President of the Association of Oregon counties in the next year.

486
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,340
People are calling me saying, is the association going to take this up next year?

487
00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:28,780
They're going to do something about this.

488
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,800
So I was like, well, first I need to know what this is.

489
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,420
So I appreciate the work that you're doing.

490
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:35,740
I appreciate that it appears we have a little more breathing

491
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:39,180
room and perhaps keep a feel that we do based on the numbers

492
00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:39,780
you've shared.

493
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:43,260
But yeah, let's stay in touch and keep talking about this.

494
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,780
Because I think it's one of those things that for a general

495
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:48,940
public and tell them what county they do not think about

496
00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:50,300
where their garbage goes.

497
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,080
It just goes away and they're happy.

498
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,320
Sort of like things like toilets, the flush,

499
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,240
faucets that provide water.

500
00:33:56,540 --> 00:33:59,560
And most people don't think about it until it is perhaps

501
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:05,800
in jeopardy or until a rate increase occurs in preparation to try to keep it running.

502
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,140
So I just want to make sure that we are having the conversations and having them in the

503
00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:13,220
public head of anything that might be in nature change.

504
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:14,200
So I appreciate that.

505
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:14,500
Yeah.

506
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,460
I just wanted to add to what Justin said.

507
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,200
I did enjoy the meeting yesterday and I got some information.

508
00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:23,500
One of the things Bitten County has to do, and Justin, correct me if you get this information

509
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:27,720
on, but based on your slide, it made $6 million.

510
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,120
as a county that's six million dollars from landfill.

511
00:34:30,380 --> 00:34:33,620
So they're looking at a big cut.

512
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Also, there's been other closures of other land

513
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,160
from the GAMM, which has also passed,

514
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,740
come up and create to take on more.

515
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:43,740
So we don't know if that estimate is saying,

516
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,480
it could be much lower if on the one's close.

517
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,440
But really, I think you mentioned to that,

518
00:34:48,700 --> 00:34:51,980
perhaps a rail yard and Yickery Hall,

519
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:54,380
which would shorten our distance for our tracking.

520
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,580
For tracking, you can then you still have the extent of rail.

521
00:34:56,580 --> 00:35:02,960
And then there's another land full of further out and board me in the Farland, but then again,

522
00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:09,040
I was going to turn it towards any kind of barge, but it's something that we're going to have to be

523
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,620
talking about in the coming years, so I just and I appreciate you up to yesterday and all the information.

524
00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:17,820
Yeah, the conversation about table.

525
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:18,580
Thank you.

526
00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:22,030
Appreciate that. Okay. Sorry for the impromptu, but thank you for that.

527
00:35:23,530 --> 00:35:26,110
We'll take you off the hot seat.

528
00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:29,850
The thing on the item 11, we'll book our car on the hot seat.

529
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:33,990
Consideration on order in the matter of the appointment of a member to determine

530
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:38,270
Accounting Housing Commission, Parker Salman, Housing Coordinator to Department of Community Development.

531
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:39,430
Good morning, Parker.

532
00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:41,870
Good morning, questionnaires.

533
00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:47,170
Corrin has been a wonderful participant in a thousand commission and is Marliza's

534
00:35:47,170 --> 00:35:51,950
Director of Placement and we would love to welcome her as a non-profit representative.

535
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:56,430
of 2000 commission. Perfect. Thank you. Questions or comments, commissioners.

536
00:35:56,750 --> 00:36:00,210
None. You said that they do fantastic work and so happening. You have people volunteering

537
00:36:00,210 --> 00:36:05,050
and offering their assistance. Likewise, I'm fully supportive and grateful. Perfect. As

538
00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:10,890
of my core and is the leader for the House of those action network at care and has been there

539
00:36:10,890 --> 00:36:15,990
for I think about four months. So she's still drinking from a firehouse but has definitely made a

540
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:20,510
priority to be at the housing commission as well. We appreciate her for that. She's doing a great job.

541
00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:22,430
We are ready for motion.

542
00:36:22,690 --> 00:36:30,330
Madam Chair, I move approval of order number 25-061 in the matter of the appointment of a member to the TILMO County Housing Commission.

543
00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:31,390
I'm sorry for that.

544
00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:32,610
We have a motion in a second.

545
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:33,890
Is there any further discussion?

546
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:35,190
Hearing none.

547
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:36,070
I will call for the vote.

548
00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:38,110
On favor, please signify by saying aye.

549
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:38,650
Aye.

550
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:39,050
Aye.

551
00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:40,430
Thank you.

552
00:36:42,930 --> 00:36:43,890
Item 12.

553
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:50,490
We have a status update on the Federal Emergency Management Administration's implementation of Oregon.

554
00:36:50,490 --> 00:37:00,710
biological implementation process, your absolute director, department of community development. Good morning, Sarah. Good morning, commissioners. Thank you so much. It's nice to see you this morning.

555
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:08,830
So yes, have a, have a update. I have a slide deck. I would like to share with you.

556
00:37:08,830 --> 00:37:20,790
Going to go through the highlights, the slide deck is mostly so that we can post it on the community development website as a tool and resource for the public.

557
00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:29,330
Because as you know, this topic is extensive and we are at a place where we are in a public comment period.

558
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:41,740
This part of the NEPA review process for the draft implementation plan of the 2016 Oregon FEMA Biological

559
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:50,480
opinion. And so I'm going to go ahead and do a share screen and walk you through some

560
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:59,980
things. And then let's see, let me go ahead and go to my slideshow. And then like I am, I am

561
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:07,740
happy to circle back to various things if you need me to, but I'm going to fly through this quickly

562
00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:15,060
so I can get to the punchline. So thank you for giving me the opportunity to give you an update

563
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:23,700
today. So quickly, just as I mentioned, we are in process of working with FEMA as a cooperating agency

564
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:29,840
through their Federal National Environmental Policy Act review requirement.

565
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:38,560
And part of this review process is essentially what in Oregon we refer to in EC analysis.

566
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:51,160
So this is an analysis of environmental, social, economic, and energy impacts to whatever a federal agency is preparing to do.

567
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:59,320
So in this case, it's an action to require national flood insurance participating communities

568
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,440
to update our land use and development codes for stricter standards.

569
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:13,540
And I would say heavy mitigation standards to allow any type of development in our

570
00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:16,380
mapped areas of special flood hazard.

571
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:23,260
So, where we are at right now is we are in this public comment period, it ended, or

572
00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:30,700
excuse me, it opened just a short while ago at the end of August and it closes October 6th.

573
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:37,940
So, working with the commissioners, I do plan on providing a letter and some comments for

574
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:45,000
your consideration for the county to submit, but really what I'd like to also urge today is the

575
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:51,060
public to also participate in these public comment period and have some links on the

576
00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:57,280
community development page as well as on this slide deck to make sure that folks know

577
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:03,340
where to go to provide comments in this public comment period that is open until October 6th.

578
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:10,760
So why are we looking at these updated regulations as part of this NEPA review process and this

579
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:18,980
implementation plan, and essentially it's to ensure the implementation is consistent with the

580
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:24,420
Endangered Species Act and the Magnus and Stevens Act, which essentially coordinate fishery

581
00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:31,700
management to protect Endangered Species and you can see on the side what the need is, and it is

582
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:39,460
essentially to avoid jeopardy, which was something that was determined in the 2016 Viob. Part of that plan

583
00:40:39,460 --> 00:40:42,240
includes implementation of known loss standards

584
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,280
and known that loss of floodplain functions.

585
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:49,260
When we had our meeting in November last year,

586
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,740
at the Port of Telemukbe, we had great community

587
00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:53,640
turnout for that.

588
00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:56,360
It was that joint meeting with the Board of Commissioners

589
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,700
and the Planning Commission, Molly Lawrence

590
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:03,700
from Bandus Feldman, and I gave a presentation

591
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:06,300
on these different known net loss standards

592
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:08,620
and how they could impact development

593
00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:15,920
across Oregon specifically until a county and so you can see those three objectives

594
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,980
relate to flood storage, water quality and riparian vegetation. Over all state

595
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:29,100
wide, this program and these changes will impact 30 of 36 counties in the

596
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:33,660
state of Oregon. You guys have seen that map before but I think it's really

597
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:41,160
important to show that map again. The other thing is to take a minute to also remind folks

598
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:48,400
of what FEMA's definition of development is. And it is any human cottage change to improved

599
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:56,280
or unimproved real estate. And what that means also is that when we talk, when we think about

600
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:02,400
development in general terms, what we think about is construction of new buildings. If someone says,

601
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,640
I'm going to develop our mind immediately visualizes a structure, or some sort of structural

602
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:15,100
improvement to vacant land. And by FEMA's definition, that is absolutely not the case.

603
00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:22,000
That's much broader. So there are four paths that FEMA has been working on to achieve those

604
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,060
known at loft standards, and that compliance for ESA and MSA, which is the Endangered Species Act

605
00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:31,960
the Magnificent Stevenson, excuse me, the Magnificent Stevenson Act.

606
00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:38,520
These four pathways, as you can see on your screen, are part of three alternatives that

607
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:44,340
are in the draft environmental impact statement that we are currently reviewing under

608
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:50,940
part of this public comment period for local officials, landowners, business owners, etc.

609
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:59,140
a comment on. And these paths, as you can see on the screen, include four options. And one is

610
00:42:59,140 --> 00:43:04,220
the model ordinance that has a very prescriptive mitigation requirements to achieve those

611
00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:09,320
known that lost standards that we talked about for our flood function, water quality and

612
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:17,240
riparian vegetation. Option B is an ordinance checklist. This is where we could develop a checklist

613
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:23,620
internally for permitting that folks have to use to demonstrate that they need those known

614
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:29,960
at lost standards. It gives us a little bit of a different path forward. It tries to make it

615
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:36,920
make the process more straightforward. C is a customized community plan. So this means we would take

616
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,560
everything that we have existing within our development code potentially out of few things. And we

617
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:49,160
would use what we have to try to demonstrate to FEMA and national marine fisheries that we've

618
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,580
got to plan already in place. That meets those known net lost standards. An alternative

619
00:43:54,580 --> 00:44:03,180
D would be to develop a habitat conservation plan with essentially NOAA and Nymphs, which is

620
00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:09,640
national marine fisheries. Telemet County, we spent two years, almost two years working on

621
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:20,440
options C and D. As FEMA was developing them through 2018, 2019. We had a local working group with local experts,

622
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:33,080
Noah representatives were at these meetings as was FEMA. And unfortunately, we know firsthand that C and D are next to impossible at least for our community to meet.

623
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:44,680
See, we cannot use our current codes to meet those known at law standards, and the cost in the time to develop a habitat conservation plan for telemic county would be substantial.

624
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:54,160
I'm going to show this slide a couple of times, but basically taking those four pathways that I just described.

625
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,980
What FEMA is looking for for public comments is to decide which...

626
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,940
Of these three alternatives should move forward as part of this need for review process. Alternative 1 is essentially no action. We use the existing development codes we have and those known that lost standards and mitigation requirements would not apply. Alternative 2 would be that we as a community and several communities across the state would implement one of those options.

627
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:59,980
A through D, so model ordinance checklist, essentially choose your own adventure if you can get there, and then to have a tech conservation plan with alternative to there would be an exemption to having to meet those known that lost standards for projects that require some sort of federal nexus projects that require section seven consultation federal permitting their federal permit requires a state federal permit requirements.

628
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,360
some sort of environmental impact statement all on its own. I would say some of the projects

629
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,020
that you could think about that we're familiar with of this alternative to that would be

630
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:16,200
exempt from those known at lost standards would be a bridge where public works has to get that

631
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:22,100
federal permit for the bridge or their federal funding that has that nexus that's going to require

632
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:29,220
that environmental impact statement, port projects in water work require this federal

633
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:35,560
nexus. But what I would caution is that just because it's some sort of a facility improvement

634
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:41,480
project, not all facility improvement, improvement projects, we have that federal nexus. So it's

635
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:49,820
still does not get us everywhere we want to go with infrastructure, whether it's port roads,

636
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:58,240
sewer, water, etc. Alternative three means everything must comply with those known

637
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:03,700
at lost standards and mitigation requirements as part of those pathways A through D.

638
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:10,440
So even if your project has that federal nexus, alternative three says, no, you have to go

639
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:16,920
through and meet these known at lost standards anyway. Put the slide in here because I think this

640
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,700
This is a really good slide from FEMA.

641
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:26,980
I actually took a photo of it at a presentation because when we talked about development

642
00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:33,400
and what is FEMA's definition of development, and moreover, what requires a floodplain

643
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,140
development permit, this slide is very telling.

644
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:39,900
Again, it goes beyond structures.

645
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:53,000
And this side is relevant to this conversation because these types of development activities are subject to those known net loss standards and those mitigation requirements.

646
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:02,540
So what do we mean when we talk about known net loss standards and avoid minimize and mitigate?

647
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:12,580
So again, going back to that meeting last November, we had some clear examples of how mitigation would have to occur.

648
00:48:12,580 --> 00:48:18,860
using development permits and projects that the department has already worked through.

649
00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:24,360
So this means if you put a structure in the flood plan and you're taking away flood storage,

650
00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:31,400
how do you create new flood storage to offset that loss? When we talk about tree removal,

651
00:48:31,780 --> 00:48:37,980
what are those ratios of where you have to plant additional trees to make up for the tree

652
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:44,140
or two or three that you removed when we talk about paving and drive ways and roofs and

653
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:50,240
impervious surface. What are those mitigation ratios look like? And so this is part of that

654
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:56,520
known at loss to where if you cannot avoid, then you have to minimize and mitigate. So these are

655
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:03,300
part of those standards. I'm going to show you some examples that will be in those pathway options

656
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:08,580
if someone is supportive of alternative 2 or 3.

657
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,960
And so instead of redoing the work we've done,

658
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,240
both Oregonians for floodplain protection

659
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:16,800
and FEMA have done a couple.

660
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,280
So just want to give you a look at this slide.

661
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,100
I love the dump truck diagram

662
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:26,040
because there's dump truck that we see on the street

663
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,460
usually has 10 cubic yards of material.

664
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:38,660
So if you look at paragraph two for a 1,500 square foot home and 20 foot by 40 foot drive light,

665
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:49,420
require 3,400 cubic feet of soil to be removed from that area in the area of special flood hazard,

666
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:56,200
and the key is also at the same base flood elevation for replacement of flood storage.

667
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:13,180
That's also assuming it's in the same reach, which means you would do that work either on site or within close proximity to where the development was occurring that is hydrologically connected to that area that you're working.

668
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:21,730
This came out of appendix E of FEMA's draft environmental impact statement.

669
00:50:21,730 --> 00:50:26,090
they have some great examples in there, but they did their homework too.

670
00:50:26,830 --> 00:50:32,630
And you can see on here it has those flood-playing functions, so the no-net-loss standards

671
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:35,430
for flood storage, water quality, and vegetation.

672
00:50:36,670 --> 00:50:41,590
And then they did their own analysis of impact, meaning what the proposed project is.

673
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:46,250
And then there you can see what it would be for required mitigation.

674
00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:50,630
And those mitigation ratios, et cetera, are in the document.

675
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:58,510
I would say with this conversation today, it's hundreds of pages, I don't think many folks

676
00:50:58,510 --> 00:51:04,650
from the public are going to have the time to read it and I love these examples because

677
00:51:04,650 --> 00:51:07,590
this really puts it in real time on the ground.

678
00:51:10,530 --> 00:51:14,370
Again, so in the draft environmental impact

679
00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:20,610
statement, they talk about roughly 5.4% of all residential lands and cities are in the SFHA,

680
00:51:20,610 --> 00:51:29,230
We're working with the team, the FEMA team, part of our comments will be there are some discrepancies in some of their tables.

681
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:37,870
We're having cities and counties go through and make sure that those ratios for areas of impact are accurate.

682
00:51:38,810 --> 00:51:47,990
But assuming that they're right, so again, for 1500 square foot home, the mitigation area is roughly a quarter of an acre.

683
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:55,210
And I would say this average size of a lot in an urban area, this not only applies to our cities, but also a lot of our

684
00:51:55,210 --> 00:52:02,030
unincorporated communities, because if you think about lotting patterns and ocean side, Pacific city,

685
00:52:02,610 --> 00:52:05,850
Nesco in, Ida Bill.

686
00:52:07,610 --> 00:52:17,970
Most of our lots are roughly, you know, they are roughly 0.10 to a quarter of 0.25 acres in size.

687
00:52:18,570 --> 00:52:27,170
And, you know, what you can see by the slide is that it would not be able to mitigate on that property to build a home.

688
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:29,770
At 1,500 square foot home.

689
00:52:31,330 --> 00:52:56,430
So, I've got a couple of other things in here in that appendix E for those who might be interested. They also talk about some different projects. So, I pulled the slide out that talks about a port improvement project. We have three ports in our county. The port of Garibaldi is on the water. The port of Nehalam in the port of Tilmik Bay also have areas of special flood hazard mapped within their industrial parks.

690
00:52:57,610 --> 00:53:03,150
Just another visual, so you can see with those pathways for mitigation, to those known

691
00:53:03,150 --> 00:53:07,170
net loss standards, FEMA has some good diagrams of trees.

692
00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:09,770
So how many you would have to replace?

693
00:53:10,270 --> 00:53:17,570
And this is in that 170-foot riparian buffer zone that follows bodies of waters and areas

694
00:53:17,570 --> 00:53:24,810
and mapped areas of special flood hazard, but you can see that even the tree planting requirements

695
00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:32,350
can be substantial, and these alone could trigger an additional hydrologic and hydrologic analysis.

696
00:53:33,150 --> 00:53:39,730
If you're planting trees in areas in the floodway, it may limit a building footprint because

697
00:53:39,730 --> 00:53:44,330
of the amount of trees that you have to plant, or you have to plant the trees somewhere else

698
00:53:44,330 --> 00:53:49,650
and within the same reach, or water shed to meet your mitigation requirements.

699
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,160
So I'm going to

700
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:58,380
go back to the slide again. So looking at all those mitigation requirements, we have three alternatives

701
00:53:58,380 --> 00:54:05,760
to comment on. Alternative one would be no action, which means that we do not apply the

702
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:11,540
known at lost standards and continue to proceed with what we have for our floodplain development

703
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:18,400
codes. And then alternative two requires updates to apply those known at lost standards and

704
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,000
standards for mitigation with the exemption of those federal

705
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,080
nexus projects and the alternative three means everybody federal

706
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,920
nexus or not going back think about that slide about what's

707
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,400
developed what requires permits. We would have to all meet those

708
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,600
no net loss standards or mitigate and meet the standards

709
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,700
through mitigation. One of the other things to talk about is the

710
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:47,180
residential piece of this. So just want to we put this together as part

711
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:52,000
Oregonians for flip-flip protection and I took this slide because I thought it was very

712
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:59,120
informative when we start talking about those economic, social, environmental and energy impacts

713
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:06,960
as part of the NEPA review. So this is a really good slide for the public to see is that if we change

714
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:14,000
our codes so that would be alternative to or three, this is one of those impacts and

715
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:17,540
then here's

716
00:55:17,540 --> 00:55:19,580
analysis for commercial and industrial.

717
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,220
So this is part of that social and economic impact analysis

718
00:55:27,940 --> 00:55:33,820
if alternative 2 or 3 are chosen by FEMA for implementation and

719
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:37,620
then for agriculture

720
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,360
and then taken out of the draft EIS and

721
00:55:47,580 --> 00:55:49,540
then the last one I have is for Port Projects.

722
00:55:56,500 --> 00:56:00,780
So the other thing is the cost and when we look at economic and social impacts

723
00:56:00,780 --> 00:56:03,720
What are the costs to local jurisdictions?

724
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:08,600
And there will be significant costs.

725
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:15,320
As we know, FEMA will not be providing any financial assistance to communities and local jurisdictions

726
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,980
to implement alternative two or three if chosen.

727
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:24,890
And I'm just going to read this.

728
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:29,850
It is assumed that each of the 233 NFIP participating communities

729
00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:37,910
when spend on average $100,000 to $100,000 to achieve initial adoption and implementation.

730
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:47,570
The total cost may be $23 million to $47 million for the full Oregon Plan area.

731
00:56:48,970 --> 00:56:53,810
These costs do not include staff time or training for permit review.

732
00:56:53,810 --> 00:57:13,750
And one of my concerns is, even though we are not the city of Portland, we are rural and in some ways we are smaller, we are one of the most heavily impacted areas because so many of our cities and communities are agriculture areas are ports are within these mapped areas of special flood hazard.

733
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:25,260
And then just to add to that alternative 2 and 3 would have major long term impacts on land development and land use.

734
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:33,740
So this is where we are concerned about housing efforts, abilities to expand urban growth boundaries,

735
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:39,200
what this could do for property rights taking issues, et cetera.

736
00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:51,990
And then, just wanted to also put in one more slide here about the summary of impacts related to alternative 2 and 3.

737
00:57:53,270 --> 00:58:03,150
So alternative 2 and 3 do result in beneficial effects on fish aquatic wildlife and endangered species.

738
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:11,390
And then, again, taking a slide that we put together for our presentation at Oregonians for

739
00:58:11,390 --> 00:58:18,430
Flood Prime Protection, this is a slide that takes each of those alternatives, so alternative

740
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:31,430
one, which is the no-action, puts this in a place where we do not see significant or adverse

741
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:40,210
impacts to human, so that would be your social and economic, but based on that 2016 biological

742
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:46,290
opinion that assumes any development in areas of special flood hazard will result in jeopardy

743
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:54,930
of an ESA listed species. It assumes that there are no beneficial effects, alternatives to

744
00:58:54,930 --> 00:59:04,410
And three, you start seeing where there are those significant adverse impacts to humans,

745
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:10,150
so the social and economic elements, and over time, you do see those total beneficial

746
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:18,930
effects to ESA listed species, fish and aquatic wildlife vegetation, et cetera.

747
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:25,880
So I'm just going to go back to the slide, as this is in our public comment period, this

748
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:33,000
what we're talking about between now and October 6th. So again for not just local officials,

749
00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:42,400
this is this is a call for public action to respond to FEMA and advocate or share

750
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:50,820
thoughts of which of these two alternatives. So I took this slide from FEMA in the meeting that

751
00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:55,680
occurred yesterday. We've got two more meetings coming up. So I've got another information slide

752
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,720
on this, but this is what FEMA said what they want to hear about.

753
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:14,280
And I would just urge the public also to consider, you don't have to be a biologist. You don't have to be a hydrologist or an engineer. You don't have to be a land use expert. This is about human and economic effects.

754
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:21,480
can be about wildlife and ESA effects in water quality, you know, we are all supportive of actions

755
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:30,840
that promote water quality, fish habitat, and ESA recovery. But this is, you know, in land use,

756
01:00:30,940 --> 01:00:37,380
there's a lot of times where it's so technical and data-driven or litigious and there's legal

757
01:00:37,380 --> 01:00:43,200
list of legal criteria that's not what this is about today. This is about as someone who lives in a

758
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:52,240
community. What alternative would you support? And there's some helpful comments,

759
01:00:53,420 --> 01:00:59,500
ways to write letters for FEMA. Again, this will all be on the community development

760
01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:06,060
web page two. So folks, can find this about how to comment. There are two meetings

761
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:11,020
that are coming up. That's my next slide deck. They're in the evenings, but each meeting

762
01:01:11,020 --> 01:01:16,940
has a court reporter in attendance to capture verbal comments, so if you want to attend one of these

763
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:22,240
virtual meetings, maybe you don't want to write a letter or maybe you don't want to submit comments

764
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:27,240
on Fuma's public comment portal. You are welcome to attend one of these meetings and the court

765
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:33,900
reporter will be there to take your statement. The meetings that Fuma's holding are virtual only

766
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:51,600
So these are the two dates of the meeting, there's one tomorrow night from 6 to 8 and one on September 30th from 6 to 8 and the easiest way to find the meetings is actually to go to the Oregonians for floodplain protection site.

767
01:01:51,960 --> 01:02:01,740
We have the links in the buttons right there, so you don't have to dig through those female sites and try to figure out where to go.

768
01:02:01,740 --> 01:02:09,020
And then again, just wording it in a different way, this is what FEMA is looking for in those comments.

769
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:15,260
And then just quickly, here's this schedule for implementation.

770
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:21,220
So this public comment period is open until or through October 6th.

771
01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:26,080
FEMA will be continuing to work through that need the process.

772
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:32,140
I hope is a cooperating agency to learn a county has an opportunity to remain engaged at the table.

773
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:39,420
They will give a formal letter with that technical assistance. Again, no financial assistance.

774
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,880
They're going to do that for about seven to eight months and then about a year and a half after that letter

775
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,620
after this need but process is done, we will be required to comply.

776
01:02:50,700 --> 01:03:03,100
And then, again, putting all of this stuff on the community development website, I've got some other helpful links that I will put up, including quick access to the draft environmental impact statement and others.

777
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:08,620
So that was a lot of information in a very short period of time.

778
01:03:08,620 --> 01:03:15,160
um, happy to answer any questions, but just really, again, the call, the action of the public

779
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:20,200
to provide comments on these three alternatives, you know, we have a lot of folks in our

780
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:25,300
communities that don't live in floodplains. They don't own property in floodplains, but it's not

781
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:31,300
just about the people who live in these floodplains. Think about any road you could pick until

782
01:03:31,300 --> 01:03:38,000
a county that you drive down to go from point A to point B. Each of those roads traverse

783
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:45,300
at some point through a mapped area of special flood hazard. If we cannot afford to maintain

784
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:51,820
our roads, right, because paving was on that list, if we cannot even afford to maintain

785
01:03:51,820 --> 01:04:02,740
to our roads through paving or through infrastructure, et cetera, driving from point A to B will

786
01:04:02,740 --> 01:04:10,960
become a problem that is an economic and social impact and just encouraging folks to kind

787
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,990
of broaden their thought in terms of how could this affect me think about your boat lunches.

788
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,580
Think about where you like to go think about the businesses you like to visit think about

789
01:04:21,580 --> 01:04:24,320
from an economic standpoint, our truck haulers.

790
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,580
We have log haulers, we have milk haulers, et cetera.

791
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,420
It, that ripple effect, the indirect effects

792
01:04:32,420 --> 01:04:33,720
will impact us all.

793
01:04:35,020 --> 01:04:36,120
So thank you.

794
01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:37,280
Thank you, Sarah.

795
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:38,560
We appreciate that.

796
01:04:39,420 --> 01:04:41,620
That's a, we're at a crucial juncture.

797
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:43,560
We've been in a couple other crucial junctions.

798
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,320
And we are at one now with the public comment period.

799
01:04:46,460 --> 01:04:50,320
It is absolutely, absolutely critical that we get as many

800
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:56,200
public comments as we can, and that they're specifically and appropriately directed toward

801
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:02,180
the Talking Point's FEMA has asked for. This is a much like a land use decision where

802
01:05:02,180 --> 01:05:07,200
we often want to rage in a public comment and just talk about how we hate it, but at the end

803
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:12,260
of the day, the hate it comments just get circular file because they don't actually address anything

804
01:05:12,260 --> 01:05:18,320
in the plans. So I think really spending a little time with that slide that had alternative one,

805
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:25,600
alternative two and alternative three and recognizing and realizing that alternative one is at this point.

806
01:05:25,980 --> 01:05:30,360
You know, the one that allows us to remain where we are.

807
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,780
I did attend the meeting on Saturday and just listen to the famous presentation.

808
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,460
Just because I thought, oh, what are they going to talk about?

809
01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:44,320
And I think the thing that was most, I think impactful to me and struck me is that I call it the little bubble chart that Sarah shared.

810
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:50,660
They had a version of that bubble chart where it talked about no impact, limited impacts,

811
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:56,120
nifacants, impacts, and beneficial impact, and they had shrunk it down, and they had a top

812
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:01,380
section, we've said human, and a bottom section, we've said species, and when they did that

813
01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:09,480
and shrunk it down, what became so absolutely clear is that there is no winning in this particular

814
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:23,460
EIS. Either the human beings lose it all, or the fish gain nothing, right, which FEMA is going to say if the fish gain nothing, they have not met their requirement, which means to me this is a false choice.

815
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:28,380
When you come down and the analysis says, either fish loser people lose you need a different alternative.

816
01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:39,220
That alternatives, one, two, and three are not enough and FEMA should be back at the drawing board, looking for a solution in which we have some beneficial and some limited impact.

817
01:06:39,220 --> 01:06:48,400
That there has to be a better way to implement this than what they've given us, because it is a false choice between people and fish and I just absolutely 100% disagree with that.

818
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,100
So it's interesting information.

819
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:52,720
Take some time with it.

820
01:06:52,900 --> 01:06:54,480
I absolutely make public comment.

821
01:06:55,060 --> 01:07:02,500
Absolutely look at how it will impact your communities and speak directly to the points that FEMA is looking for.

822
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,900
The commissioner comments concerns.

823
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,900
You can see me moving around here.

824
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:21,540
So this is so absurd and it's just lazy and I have a lot of our constituents called me and I have a business with a special hazard in the flood area.

825
01:07:22,540 --> 01:07:26,980
It's literally hundreds, several hundred people will be the way from the river.

826
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:29,980
And if I'm understanding this correctly, if you wanted to...

827
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:37,680
Let's say another structure. He has to offset it and pull in the ground on the property. Is that correct?

828
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:43,240
He would have to create the storage at the same base flood elevation.

829
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:49,180
So it can't be a hole in the ground because then you don't meet those fish egress requirement.

830
01:07:49,180 --> 01:08:02,520
He would have to find a place in the same way to the same base-blood elevation to create that new flood-storage space at the same elevation he took away.

831
01:08:02,980 --> 01:08:05,120
So the whole method doesn't work.

832
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:08,220
It's absurd.

833
01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:10,520
I don't know.

834
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:11,640
I don't know.

835
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:11,700
I don't know.

836
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:11,860
I don't know.

837
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:12,200
I don't know.

838
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:12,540
I don't know.

839
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:17,320
I don't know.

840
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:22,300
I think if I really appreciate your reference to the roads,

841
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:24,540
I think people who think that doesn't affect it,

842
01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:27,180
it affects everything we do until I'm accounting.

843
01:08:27,340 --> 01:08:30,160
And that's what I say it's lazy is once again,

844
01:08:30,260 --> 01:08:31,700
the not considering our situation.

845
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:35,000
Here, what we've done, the health of our face,

846
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,360
the fact that we can keep endangered species,

847
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:42,840
I can retain a native salmon here,

848
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,960
is none of that's taken in consideration on the practices.

849
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,020
that we already, that the farmers are going to do that,

850
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,100
whether it's sensitive to the environment.

851
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:53,840
And this is one of those things where people,

852
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,920
I'm going to do all I can to get people to build a climate

853
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,780
because if we don't, we're doomed.

854
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,700
I mean, we are a development student.

855
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,740
Sarah and I have talked about some farmers,

856
01:09:04,980 --> 01:09:08,860
some of the projects they're trying to expand their operation

857
01:09:08,860 --> 01:09:11,880
and the plant, or the cost becomes so prohibitive

858
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,380
that it becomes impossible.

859
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,780
I just want to ask them with our lawsuit.

860
01:09:17,780 --> 01:09:20,060
That was the other thing I had for you.

861
01:09:20,900 --> 01:09:24,200
Before we jump to that course about what do you like to become that we're going to

862
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,300
AIS and then we could jump to the lawsuit conversation.

863
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,820
Sure, thank you.

864
01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:34,920
So Sarah, when you showed the slides that had cost impacts, I wonder if you could

865
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,400
go back to those for a minute or just seek to them because they're text heavy.

866
01:09:40,060 --> 01:09:45,740
And just sum up for us that the cost, somebody who's building a house is going to

867
01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:53,320
for example, 10 to 30 percent higher than whatever was just sum it up, sum up the categories for us.

868
01:09:54,420 --> 01:10:02,680
Yes. So the estimated increase in construction costs for a single family dwelling to be built in

869
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:11,200
area of special flood hazard would result in almost a 30 percent increase in cost to meet those

870
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:19,900
offsite mitigation requirements and almost 10% increase in cost if the development could occur

871
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:27,240
on the property. And Commissioner Bell has a great question. What I would offer to that is I am

872
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:35,500
less worried about the cost as terrible as it is. And for me, my mind goes back to if you are a

873
01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:43,140
presidential property, your property just simply may not be big enough to do the mitigation

874
01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:51,040
at all. I mean, that's, they're both frightening, but the reality is that even if you

875
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:57,620
have the money, you still may not be able to just because you can't meet mitigation. The monthly

876
01:10:57,620 --> 01:11:03,200
principle, so the other analysis that we had was that the monthly principal and interest payments

877
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:13,180
would be approximately $630 a month or over 7,500 more a year to pay for off-site mitigation.

878
01:11:15,140 --> 01:11:21,040
Or approximately $2,500 per more a year if the mitigation occurred on site.

879
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,480
Because with that mitigation, it's not a one and done either.

880
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:33,120
You have to maintain it and the building permit, the certificate of occupancy for you to move into your home,

881
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:39,920
for your loan to close out or your loan to shift whatever is going to happen, you I cannot

882
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:45,860
give you a certificate of occupancy until those mitigation measures are in place.

883
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:55,640
Think about if you also have to mitigate and create those mitigation areas, those could take

884
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:02,000
extra time. They could take a significant amount of time. I think the cost that we talk about

885
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:07,920
to, they don't take into account those interests like those construction interests loans.

886
01:12:08,060 --> 01:12:13,220
All of those loans that happen while you're building and those loans will continue to

887
01:12:13,220 --> 01:12:17,260
roll because they won't stop until you have that certificate.

888
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:21,760
And it will be the community development departments,

889
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:28,100
responsibility to make sure all of that happens and those maintenance areas,

890
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,940
those mitigation areas continue to be maintained.

891
01:12:30,940 --> 01:12:37,120
And so it's also ongoing cost, it's ongoing for all of us.

892
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:38,140
It will never end.

893
01:12:38,980 --> 01:12:40,680
It goes into full June cost.

894
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,000
And flood insurance.

895
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:44,020
So that's right.

896
01:12:44,380 --> 01:12:45,740
It's dreadful.

897
01:12:45,940 --> 01:12:53,080
Considering our current housing shortage, our current housing crisis, this just exponentially

898
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:54,620
increases.

899
01:12:54,720 --> 01:13:00,580
Increases the likelihood that it will become more and more difficult to build housing

900
01:13:00,580 --> 01:13:06,440
until I'm accounting and that's whether it's an individual building their own house or a developer

901
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:14,760
building in the flood hazard area. I was also interested in the I appreciate Commissioner

902
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:21,520
Scar emphasizing an alternative one is our best of the three choices and and I was

903
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:30,120
interested for you to outline how I think we spend a good deal of time on what are the impacts

904
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:35,560
of alternatives to a three-book, could you say a little more about what is the impact of

905
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:41,320
alternative one? If we ask a public to, you know, I know you're not asking this, but we could,

906
01:13:41,620 --> 01:13:48,100
if we ask the public to write in and support alternative one, what does that really mean for them?

907
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:54,320
It means there's no change to existing permitting. Now, no one likes the existing permitting

908
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,460
structure and all of the requirements. I will be the first one to acknowledge that and apologize for

909
01:14:00,340 --> 01:14:07,040
however it won't change, right? So what we do now, what is what customers and the public can

910
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:14,560
expect in terms of stormwater management, maintaining riparian buffer zones as we have them

911
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:23,100
today between 15 and 50 feet, not 170, right? So so the predictability of this is your

912
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:29,460
permitting process, it's yes or no. Did you elevate? Do you have your

913
01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:34,680
ventings? Do you have your stormwater? You know, features in place. Are you

914
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:39,100
maintaining your right parry and vegetation? If you are within so many

915
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:46,880
feet of a body of water, it will stay as it is. And that's that will

916
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,240
That is why I think it's requirement.

917
01:14:49,900 --> 01:14:58,240
It will, that is alternative one, but it does not satisfy the ESA component that is brought

918
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:59,980
us to this Comber.

919
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,280
Station today.

920
01:15:01,740 --> 01:15:08,480
For really is asking for an additional alternative further analysis, it's acknowledging that at this point

921
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:13,240
in time, all the three alternatives were better not to meet the compliance and to keep

922
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:18,860
working at this than we are to accept one of the false decisions of two or three that basically

923
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:24,480
have significant impact on telemic county economy and the economy and the residents who live

924
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:27,660
here that is irreversible.

925
01:15:27,660 --> 01:15:30,420
So I think, yeah, that's right.

926
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,280
Because it does not ultimately meet

927
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,040
a lot of response that I've said for my perspective,

928
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:40,780
it's saying to FEMA, we refuse to take the false choice,

929
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:46,360
which says either that basically we have to take the significant impacts

930
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:47,840
of human beings and communities.

931
01:15:48,380 --> 01:15:51,060
We want number one, you get back to the table.

932
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,960
So that's my perspective, Sarah, tell me if that's incorrect.

933
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:55,960
Yeah, that's correct.

934
01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:04,340
So that is a great segue to me putting on my Oregonians for floodplain protection hat board member.

935
01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:25,680
So that is exactly what we're doing is to add maybe a glimmer of hope in this very, you know, depressing conversation is that we as tele McCounty as a member of that organization continue to work and reach out to our congressional

936
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:33,760
delegates. And, you know, without over-speaking, they are listening. And we're very appreciative

937
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:38,760
of that because Commissioner Scards, exactly what you said, ideally it would be none of the

938
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:43,940
above and let's keep working at this at the table. Because we do want to see some beneficial

939
01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:49,820
effect. We understand that alternative one does not garner the results or help better address

940
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:58,640
Those ESA objectives, those, you know, those three objectives of flood function, water quality fish recovery, right pairing habitat protection.

941
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:08,900
We can do more, but alternatives to and three are just completely devastating from an economic and social that human impact element.

942
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:33,160
I expect movement on that, coming soon, with that, with the pick-ups, which is a part of this, I was excited a couple of months ago at a leadership team meeting because I had shared that we were talking to FEMA FEMA was at the table and was looking at considering that alternative for approach that we developed for tool in the county in lieu of one of the three pick-up options.

943
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:39,920
Unfortunately, other federal agencies, we're not willing to come to the table to have that conversation.

944
01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:48,120
And that is one of the areas we remain today is specifically, you know, urging national marine fisheries.

945
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:54,240
Please come back to the table with FEMA and communities and our state and congressional leaders.

946
01:17:54,620 --> 01:17:57,860
And let's continue to talk about how we could do this better.

947
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,880
So there are clear winners and losers.

948
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:08,260
right? We don't have to pick one or the other. So those conversations are continuing again,

949
01:18:08,740 --> 01:18:13,540
updates through Oregonians for floodplain protection. That is really where that focused effort is

950
01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:22,740
coming from and our attorney, our team of attorneys. So looking there, we are skilled in process

951
01:18:22,740 --> 01:18:32,120
litigation over the 2016 by up. That is that should be starting here this fall. So we are not,

952
01:18:32,140 --> 01:18:39,420
while we have to be smart and respond during this public comment period today. Remember there's two

953
01:18:39,420 --> 01:18:46,000
pieces of this. There's this process that FEMA must continue to do. But there's also these other places

954
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:52,420
and other arenas where we are advocating for a different kind of change. So both are still ongoing

955
01:18:52,420 --> 01:18:58,040
and I want to reassure folks who, again, going back to that November meeting, who felt litigation

956
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:03,280
was very important, and that telemet County take action. Those actions are continuing.

957
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:12,740
Lastly, what I would also just kind of for public benefit, there's been a lot of news about

958
01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:18,860
FEMA and NOAA and NIMPs and changes in these federal agencies, organization, structure, current

959
01:19:18,860 --> 01:19:25,080
federal administration cutting programs, what we are talking about today is a lawsuit.

960
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:32,100
This is not federal legislation, this is specific to Oregon, so no matter what this current

961
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:39,760
administration does in terms of reorganization of these federal agencies, waiting for that

962
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:44,460
restructuring reorganization to make this go away is not going to happen.

963
01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:45,860
That's not a reality.

964
01:19:45,860 --> 01:19:51,960
So, it is super important that as members of our communities, we don't wait for that to happen.

965
01:19:52,460 --> 01:19:55,220
We need to participate in this public comment period.

966
01:19:56,440 --> 01:19:58,200
So, thank you.

967
01:19:58,840 --> 01:19:59,480
Thank you, Sarah.

968
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:07,880
And I would also remind folks that those who are interested in joining the Oregonians for floodplain protection,

969
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:15,460
be a part of that conversation as well as the fact that that lawsuit is being funded by donations to that organization.

970
01:20:15,460 --> 01:20:26,520
There's not some magic out of money out there. It's pushing this lawsuit. This lawsuit is happening because community members from those being individuals to businesses, etc. Governments are

971
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:34,220
Are joining forces in putting money into this pot. So it leaves a elected official. I get to say whatever I'd like right, though. So I'm going to also encourage folks.

972
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:44,840
If this is scary to you, you know, the Oregonians flood my protection website learn more and write your check because this lawsuit will absolutely die if it goes unfounded.

973
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,220
So that just has to be on the forefront as well.

974
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:50,900
Write your public comments today.

975
01:20:51,140 --> 01:20:52,140
I'd like to check for them.

976
01:20:53,460 --> 01:20:54,080
Thank you, Commissioner.

977
01:20:54,740 --> 01:20:58,640
That's why I want you to clarify that there's two trains

978
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,280
goals going in this direction.

979
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:02,260
We have to pay attention to both of the little

980
01:21:02,260 --> 01:21:03,600
be active on both, so.

981
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:04,040
Absolutely.

982
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:05,200
Thank you.

983
01:21:05,340 --> 01:21:06,880
Commissioner, anything for this?

984
01:21:07,740 --> 01:21:10,460
I'm just thinking about how to get this message out.

985
01:21:10,740 --> 01:21:15,100
So the link or on the community development website

986
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:19,640
Does it have the slide show you just showed us?

987
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,220
I'm going to post it as soon as we're done. Yes.

988
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:30,680
And I did send out an email the other day to about 75 different community partners

989
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:35,720
that we all work with both government agencies, public business owners,

990
01:21:36,660 --> 01:21:38,700
to let them know is doing this presentation today,

991
01:21:39,180 --> 01:21:42,200
and the slides and all the information will be on our website later,

992
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,320
in hopes that people will share.

993
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:51,540
Great. Thank you. And also, it occurs to me to ask Jane and Debbie here in the room.

994
01:21:51,820 --> 01:21:59,100
Yes, after this meeting is concluded, we could take a clip of our recording of this meeting

995
01:21:59,100 --> 01:22:06,200
if we could just pull out Sarah's presentation and put it someplace with a link so that we

996
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,660
can all share that link and say, watch this presentation, make your public comment.

997
01:22:10,660 --> 01:22:12,560
I hope we can do that.

998
01:22:12,780 --> 01:22:13,540
Yeah, I think we can.

999
01:22:13,620 --> 01:22:16,360
Additionally, would you like this on the county's home page?

1000
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:17,520
OK.

1001
01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:22,780
I think it's easier to find no fence security development.

1002
01:22:23,180 --> 01:22:24,960
They have a very complicated date.

1003
01:22:25,900 --> 01:22:29,980
So I think having it there, because there are a lot of people know it would be there, but the same link.

1004
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,500
The same information on our page next, a lot of sense on page.

1005
01:22:33,980 --> 01:22:37,020
Yeah, we could do work with Jeff on that. Thank you. Perfect.

1006
01:22:37,860 --> 01:22:43,500
And I'll let Debbie know as soon as I have everything launched. So she and posted, so she knows it's ready.

1007
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,220
Thank you. Yes, Connie council, got a comment.

1008
01:22:47,060 --> 01:22:53,840
Sure, I'm welcome. The first of all, Karen did the no action alternative and would consider writing letter.

1009
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,200
and I appreciate that you're asking people to do that.

1010
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:03,960
I am a little bit, I don't want to make it negative, but I mean, if you've gotten overwhelming

1011
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:08,820
response, you're thinking that you can actually make a difference at the tables.

1012
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:14,500
That's the hope, Council, and I would say it could come in two ways.

1013
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,840
You know, it could come in the way of what alternative FEMA chooses.

1014
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:28,860
It could also come by way of those messages getting to our state and federal delegates to help support our efforts to find a different way.

1015
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:30,600
Okay.

1016
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,440
And to that I think also the importance of even if you don't move in the phone.

1017
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:42,520
You're voice is even stronger because you're showing that it's not just focusing individually losing their rights.

1018
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,840
We have to all stand up for this.

1019
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:50,800
Oh, for sure, for businesses, for housing, for future developments, for farms.

1020
01:23:51,420 --> 01:23:55,660
And for the roads, I think Sarah's point about, you know, the roads we all drive on.

1021
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,520
Yeah, it affects all of us.

1022
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,280
It's a huge impact.

1023
01:23:59,940 --> 01:24:05,820
And, you know, the Sarah Shade, but it's a statistic that 5.4% of lands, you know, that our special

1024
01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:08,780
flood hazard, that's how much is impacted by this.

1025
01:24:08,900 --> 01:24:12,920
But if you get go into the EIS, do you go a little deeper back in the appendix?

1026
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,060
There is a Excel table that shows

1027
01:24:17,060 --> 01:24:20,020
Intelligent County what those percentages are.

1028
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,960
And roughly I believe 30% throughout the majority

1029
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,260
of our cities of our residential and commercial lands.

1030
01:24:26,380 --> 01:24:27,380
I think if you put it all together,

1031
01:24:27,700 --> 01:24:28,700
it's somewhere in that range.

1032
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,760
Are in the area of special flood hazard

1033
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:31,920
and will be impacted?

1034
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,440
So when people read 0.5.4% across Oregon,

1035
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:36,500
that's not a big deal.

1036
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,580
It's a very big deal for us here.

1037
01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:44,560
and for visitors who come down and use our programs and use our facilities, use the home.

1038
01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:49,260
It's trying to be located within the hazards zone, so this is... that important.

1039
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,300
It is. I mean, 100%.

1040
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:52,040
He touches everybody.

1041
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:53,260
It does touch everybody.

1042
01:24:53,700 --> 01:24:58,320
And as Oregon's economy is beginning to dip and stall a little bit.

1043
01:24:58,460 --> 01:25:02,420
The last thing we want to do is have to tell them a county not only follow the turn to Oregon,

1044
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:09,120
but go far deeper because of this. Our economy needs to be strong and we can't allow this to

1045
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:14,160
So, lots of good reasons to get your comments in there and your text.

1046
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:20,450
Sorry, shameless plug, but really, this is how it happens, right?

1047
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:22,270
This is how it happens.

1048
01:25:23,090 --> 01:25:25,490
Okay, any other questions or comments for Sarah?

1049
01:25:25,670 --> 01:25:26,890
Will we let her go today?

1050
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:31,790
So, I actually have, so do you want to come up and make a comment?

1051
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:35,530
So, I will invite Tilda, who was one of our great community partners on this.

1052
01:25:36,970 --> 01:25:38,970
With a Tom, like they flood improvement districts.

1053
01:25:38,970 --> 01:25:42,050
to tell if you could just make sure that my control is on would be greater

1054
01:25:42,050 --> 01:25:44,410
will be going green at base.

1055
01:25:45,550 --> 01:25:50,270
I'm telling the Jones from the Tellment Bay flood improvement district.

1056
01:25:52,790 --> 01:26:01,570
My first comment is that what do we need to do to get a public meeting in Tellment County?

1057
01:26:01,570 --> 01:26:13,290
It's cowardly of the FEMA to do online public meetings only when half the people in

1058
01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:18,890
town of County don't use their computers don't do online meetings.

1059
01:26:21,210 --> 01:26:25,590
I would say if I would say that we're not going to be able to change that and it's not

1060
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:30,810
for lack of trying and Sarah's part, trust me, there's been a lot of pushbacks and what I will

1061
01:26:30,810 --> 01:26:35,590
is this is actually part of the larger NEPA process of adjustments that are being done by the

1062
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:40,690
current administration. I am also on the opposite side of this with some timber work related

1063
01:26:40,690 --> 01:26:46,670
to federal timber, where they're trying to move federal timber sales faster, which is great,

1064
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:51,410
except they've hold counties out of any money and we want to be able to make our public comments.

1065
01:26:51,790 --> 01:26:56,630
But again, the NEPA process overall, the federal level as I understand it, has been reduced to online

1066
01:26:56,630 --> 01:27:00,610
So that we will not get FEMA to tell my county no matter how hard we push.

1067
01:27:01,090 --> 01:27:06,570
So I think our challenge is how do we help people who typically are not online and do

1068
01:27:06,570 --> 01:27:11,570
not a electronic work to have the opportunity to have their say because that's really

1069
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:15,750
unfortunately and catastrophically and horrible to our choice.

1070
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:16,910
Yes.

1071
01:27:17,050 --> 01:27:22,190
I got a question and Bill, this might be for you or Sarah, as could we have our own public

1072
01:27:22,190 --> 01:27:28,050
meeting where at the meeting, there could be a discussion and a consensus of which alternatively

1073
01:27:28,050 --> 01:27:34,850
like, and maybe having group like a letter signed by the residents that don't have been

1074
01:27:34,850 --> 01:27:39,750
actually through the internet. Is that something we could do, or we would have to say,

1075
01:27:39,930 --> 01:27:41,150
do we do, or is it like this?

1076
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:45,550
Are can we have a public viewing of the September 30 meeting with an opportunity for anyone

1077
01:27:45,550 --> 01:27:50,750
in the room to comment during that public viewing? So I think, you know, we can't get FEMA

1078
01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:57,630
to ask you we get us to FEMA through our electronic link. Commissioner, I would offer that is

1079
01:27:57,630 --> 01:28:02,550
something we could definitely look at setting up and maybe at the port or something and I am

1080
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:08,010
happy to help do that. So Sarah, let's look at that and let's see if we can do that because then

1081
01:28:08,010 --> 01:28:11,970
that report reporter that's standing there to accept all public comment during a remote meeting.

1082
01:28:12,350 --> 01:28:16,270
If we had the camera and the microphone, so all people had to do a step up to the microphone

1083
01:28:16,270 --> 01:28:19,070
in our room. Thank you for that request. It's a great idea.

1084
01:28:19,550 --> 01:28:22,470
So what time is the meeting tomorrow?

1085
01:28:23,890 --> 01:28:25,910
The meeting tomorrow is the 68.

1086
01:28:27,670 --> 01:28:28,470
68 PM.

1087
01:28:29,570 --> 01:28:32,190
So you can, can you be set up by then?

1088
01:28:32,190 --> 01:28:33,250
People could come here?

1089
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:36,510
No, it will be if there's a final meeting is the 30th.

1090
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:37,310
Is that correct, Sarah?

1091
01:28:38,210 --> 01:28:38,770
It is.

1092
01:28:38,890 --> 01:28:40,870
And we have a hearing tomorrow night till this.

1093
01:28:40,990 --> 01:28:41,990
So it would have to be the 30th.

1094
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:42,890
It would have to be the 30th.

1095
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:46,190
But that gives us all time to figure out how we could do that.

1096
01:28:46,190 --> 01:28:47,970
and promote it and get people in the room.

1097
01:28:48,630 --> 01:28:50,130
So yeah, it'll be different in the one.

1098
01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:53,950
OK, and what's the time on the 30th?

1099
01:28:54,230 --> 01:28:56,230
6 to 8, also 6 to 8.

1100
01:28:56,890 --> 01:29:01,310
OK, so the commissioners are going to try to set it up

1101
01:29:01,310 --> 01:29:04,850
so that people can come to this meeting room?

1102
01:29:04,910 --> 01:29:06,110
You don't know yet, yet, tell the book.

1103
01:29:06,490 --> 01:29:11,930
We'll do a place that will be connected to the theme of public

1104
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:14,690
correct, so that we can listen to the meeting.

1105
01:29:14,690 --> 01:29:20,550
Like I did on Saturday and then at the end of the meeting they asked for public comment and we would do our best to make

1106
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:28,210
You know how our system set up so that we can make as many public comments as possible through that link. That that's excellent

1107
01:29:28,990 --> 01:29:31,610
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for asking a question

1108
01:29:33,450 --> 01:29:35,230
Okay, I think that

1109
01:29:35,230 --> 01:29:40,610
Then thank you Farrow you and I'll talk about that when we meet and how we pull that together

1110
01:29:40,610 --> 01:29:50,570
All right, if that, then I will let's cargo back the other good work she's doing and we will continue on our agenda. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

1111
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:59,970
Okay, moving on to item 13, consideration of an order and a matter of the transfer of certain county property to Kindred Alpha.

1112
01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:26,160
Good morning. Thank you, Madam Chair. So before you as an order regarding a previously foreclosed property, this was part of the 2020 foreclosure proceedings. We've had this parcel ever since. I was recently approached by attorneys for the successor and interest to the previous owner. They indicated they were interested in buying the property back.

1113
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:33,720
there's a statutory process whereby with foreclosed properties, counties have the ability to sell the property back to a previous owner

1114
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,720
and their statutory minimums as far as what the previous owners have to pay.

1115
01:30:38,940 --> 01:30:46,200
They have to pay the amount that was going on the taxes, plus the interest since the judgment fees, all of that.

1116
01:30:47,060 --> 01:30:54,440
So we went back and forth. There was the negotiating. I also got an estimated staff cost from the

1117
01:30:54,440 --> 01:31:00,500
assessment taxation office regarding how much staff time they estimated they spent dealing with

1118
01:31:00,500 --> 01:31:05,920
this property through the foreclosure and and how much that cost the county and I included

1119
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:14,120
that in our proposed repurchase price and they were willing to pay all of that. So and just as

1120
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:19,740
important or perhaps more importantly they're also willing to sign a release releasing us from any

1121
01:31:19,740 --> 01:31:26,240
potential future claims related to this property and for closure proceeds out of the new case law.

1122
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:32,040
So because otherwise I think this property would be subject to that. So they're willing to provide

1123
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:40,440
that release if the board grants this order today. Then I'll be back in front of you probably next week

1124
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:48,580
with the deed once we've received the cashiers check from the success or an interest for the repurchase.

1125
01:31:49,740 --> 01:31:54,600
And the county has done this in the past at times when we determined it was in the county's

1126
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,440
best interest. And in this particular case, I believe it is.

1127
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:03,220
Thank you. And it sounds like the Tyler V. Hannah Pincase, which is driving our inability to

1128
01:32:03,220 --> 01:32:06,580
sell other properties or housing, has been considered based in your comments.

1129
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:13,940
Yes, that would that would definitely be a factor if we were not able to agree on a repurchase here.

1130
01:32:14,740 --> 01:32:19,440
And which is why there's a release as part of this negotiated settlement. But

1131
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:24,640
They qualify for this other statutory process because as the successor and interest,

1132
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,680
they basically sit in the position of the previous owner.

1133
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:34,920
And there's a statutory process for previous owners to purchase back properties that have been

1134
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:39,220
foreclosed. So that would be what we're doing here. Perfect. Thank you. I appreciate just closing

1135
01:32:39,220 --> 01:32:43,500
that loop which could have ended up with us having to pay them while they take the property back.

1136
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,720
So it sounds like depending on how the statutes play together. So thank you for that question.

1137
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:52,000
these presenters. No, none for me. Okay. I think we are ready for a motion.

1138
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:58,040
Madam Chair, I'm able to prove a order number 25-062 in the matter of the transfer of certain

1139
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:03,360
county property to Kinder at LLC. Okay. So second, but we have a motion in a second any further

1140
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,920
discussion. Hearing none, I will call for the vote. On favor, please dignified by saying aye.

1141
01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:14,400
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. motion carries. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you. We are to the point in

1142
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:18,400
where we had board concerns. Do we have any board concerns today?

1143
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:19,780
I don't know anything for this morning.

1144
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,280
Okay, no board concerns today.

1145
01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:23,880
We'll go ahead and move into our announcements.

1146
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,860
The commissioners will hold a board breaching on Wednesday, September 10th,

1147
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,520
25 at 2 p.m. to discuss weekly commissioner updates.

1148
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,220
The meeting will be held on the Board of Commissioners meeting room 106

1149
01:33:35,220 --> 01:33:42,840
to the telecom conference number is 1, 9, 7, 1, 2, 5, 4,

1150
01:33:43,460 --> 01:33:51,460
3149, on-Francite 866-914607. The local public safety coordinating council, teleconference,

1151
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:57,140
will be held on Monday, September 15, 2020-25 at 12 p.m. The meeting will be held in the Board

1152
01:33:57,140 --> 01:34:11,760
of Commissioners meeting room 106 in the teleconference number is 1-911-254-3159, conference ID-155-858-952.

1153
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:18,240
The commissioner will attend the telemic light wave meeting on Tuesday, September 16, 2025 at 9.30 a.m.

1154
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:22,900
The meeting will be held at the telemic U.D. in the carol law meeting room in telemic.

1155
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:28,700
With that, we'll introduce our business of the day and we will adjourn this meeting at 10.35 a.m.

1156
01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:44,270
Hi, sister, you tell the hi.

1157
01:34:44,490 --> 01:34:45,630
How are you?

1158
01:34:45,810 --> 01:34:46,370
Just fine.

1159
01:34:47,370 --> 01:34:47,390
Good.

1160
01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:50,030
Are you making a tender meeting on the 30th?

1161
01:34:50,050 --> 01:34:53,590
Hi, I haven't looked at my calendar yet.

1162
01:34:53,590 --> 01:34:57,850
I saw that you said it to me, but I was in vacation last week, so I have a chance to be here.

1163
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:59,530
I really did.

1164
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:59,850
Yeah.

1165
01:35:00,530 --> 01:35:06,350
Actually, I just, I had, I'm working on a writing project, so I had a writing retreat by myself.

1166
01:35:06,570 --> 01:35:07,610
And it was very good.

1167
01:35:08,490 --> 01:35:08,610
Yeah.

1168
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:10,390
It was very good.

1169
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:10,850
How are you?

1170
01:35:11,770 --> 01:35:12,250
I'm fine.

1171
01:35:12,530 --> 01:35:12,670
I'm fine.

1172
01:35:14,710 --> 01:35:15,670
I'm fine.

1173
01:35:16,170 --> 01:35:18,210
You tell me about the project.