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Make a motion to start the meeting.

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Okay.
Welcome the board committee meeting.

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Just want to remind everyone uh
basically that this is a open

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discussion. Uh is kind of an
informational meeting back and forth. uh

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nothing's going to get voted on tonight
or anything. Obviously, there's three of

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us here. Uh so that nothing's going to
get get voted on or anything like that.

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I would also encourage that uh to set
the dialogue to the meeting that we're

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going to use for some more format that
we did uh last time. I'm not going to

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read everything be honest with you.
>> Thank you. Um,

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so we can maybe
explain, you know, what we're talking

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about and things like that, but just so
everyone is is aware. Uh, and then we,

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uh, we will allow for, uh, public
comment, uh, at the end. Um and then

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also I encourage to if you have any type
of comments that uh want to be u given

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to you can put them in writing as well
and then to the committee then can take

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them back to uh the board as well. So
keep that in mind too.

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Um
first off uh basically after the last

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meeting
that we had going through the ordinance

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um we obviously had dialogue back and
forth and then we earthrise uh give us a

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rebuttal to in writing to some of the
things that were in the uh ordinance.

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And that's what we plan to do today is
to go through um and look at some of the

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things that you guys are talking about
uh and kind of go from there. And then

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we've gone through Vanessa, I'm sure
you've gone through some of it as well.

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Um maybe provide you with a few comments
and then something you can take back to

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the board.
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the first one uh basically would be uh
under the 350.52 principal use uh letter

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A uh regarding a uh
CS CSEF or USS as a principal use may be

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allowed only as follows in the three
sections of uh tier one, tier two and

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park. So
talk about that.

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» So, we found the 2 and 1/2 mile setback
um that we know of is existing solar

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facilities that are less than 2 and a
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the one that's just north of the old uh
GM foundry site. So the existence of

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that alone would prohibit us from citing
these projects in this location under

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those rules
we're seeing now.

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If if I'm mistaken there and there are
no existing facilities within 2 and a

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half miles that of course is kind of
null and avoided at that point but we

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are as far as I know there's an existing
facility within a 2 and 1 half mile area

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site.

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Um in addition to that one u

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this reference says that [clears throat]
u no utility scale solar is allowed

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within the first tier or the first half
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prohibited as well
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in what?
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prohibits us from being able to site our
project in in the area, you know,

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wouldn't allow us to submit an
application because of, you know, what's

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the difference between the community
solar being cited within half mile

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versus the utility. They're both utility
scale solar or they're both solar

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facilities.
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because of the location of the project
being known and a good chunk of that you

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know being within that half mile
um you know we think it's it's something

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that basically prohibits this project.

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I mean, I it would certainly it maybe
we're interpreting it the wrong way, but

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it would seem to prohibit any utility
scale project. Um, if you read them all

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together within the ETJ,
that's one concern. And then I have a

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concern about the 2 and 1 half mile I'm
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uh because
I get maybe it's a question well is the

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intent to have that extend beyond
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mean depending on where you start you're
going to end up in Indiana so I don't

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think that there's any authority for the
village to extend its zoning

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jurisdiction outside of its
you know limits

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» Indiana's at seven miles

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Um
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I'll answer that particular
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awfully is that my anticipation for the
nature of this meeting is me just taking

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a bunch of notes about the discussions
between committee and potential

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authorized comments about things in
terms of what the next draft is going to

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look like. Um, and so, you know, that's
practically my perspective is not

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getting to debate about what their
commentary is is listen to what they

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have to say and if it's something that
needs to be considered in terms of next

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draft, then we'll consider it. But I
think that tonight or what the

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commentary is.
>> So, I guess fair enough on that side and

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I think it's easier just to hear it from
the horse's mouth on that side. He's

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taking notes and we'll go through that.
So if I can't provide you with an actual

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answer tonight that's suffice for you
just know that it's getting noted and it

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will be spoke about. Uh some of these
things honestly I don't know I I don't

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know what the answer is or thought
process behind it. Um but I can we can

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take notes and obviously talk about it
again. So I guess then to to recap on

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that without I don't expect to give an
answer but the concern would be that uh

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depending on where you start from um
forget about Indiana that was an

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exaggeration but depending on where you
start from uh the 2 and a half miles

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would easily extend beyond the zoning
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I don't think the zoning jurisdiction
uh I don't think the village is has the

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authority to extend its zoning
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boundaries plus the 1 and a half mile
ETJ. So that would be I would that would

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be problematic in terms of applying that
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» isn't community solar 5 megawatts or
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» and how how many megawws or yeah is Is
this one this 1400 Chris

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is the I guess
Kyle's point aside is the intention for

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here regionally to to place u community
soldiers no no less than and a half

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miles from each other or is this like
does it blend together both community

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and utilities? So like any type
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exact answer to that to be honest with
you. I if I had to guess maybe my own

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opinion of it is that maybe a stretch of
of uh within two and a half mile say

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we're if a village is five miles long
okay and you have for example you have

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one on on one end and you can't put one
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» right,
>> you're you're on our doorstep. So, we

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want to maybe regulate that. That would
maybe be an interpretation. I don't

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know, but that could be part of the
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» Okay. Thank you.

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» Anything else on paper?

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say something. Uh, is it the language
intended to exclude transmission lines

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and related infrastructure within half a
mile of village boundaries?

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That's
>> it. So, okay.

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» Sorry, I'm expecting to actually run up
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» Um, should we move on to the next one?
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notes so I don't miss something.
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which is uh
under setbacks. Um talking about the

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setbacks portion.

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» Yeah. I mean I think our in our response
it's kind of pretty clear, but u we find

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1800 ft to be um overly excessive uh
again prohibitive to the project.

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we found examples pre-state sighting law

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where there were 3 to 500 ft in certain
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examples.
Uh we certainly intend to uh design the

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project with extended setbacks uh
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around non non-participating homes uh
with regards to that. Uh but yeah, we

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would ask that you know this 1,800 ft be
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as far as your extended setbacks that
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recognize 1,800 ft is is far what your
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» yeah setback.
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think it's kind of going to require a
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setbacks. Um reason I say that is
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there's there's more homes directly
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there is in Tilton. Not to say that
there isn't any in Tilton that are

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impacted, but it's substantially more in
Catlin. And so, um, you know, on the if

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you think if you look at our project and
think of the north side, there's nobody

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living there. It's just the interstate,
right? So, we don't want to have to set

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back 4 500 ft from the interstate, for
example. That could be a very standard

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setback. If we look at the eastern side
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home owners uh have a lot of vegetation
on their properties that have already

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been existing there
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same side of the road. the only home
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participating land owner and you know he
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and if we set back if we have to set
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essentially being cut out of the project
in that case um so it's like in that

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scenario
you know as I said there's a lot of

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trees on properties across the road uh
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distance we looked at it this morning
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those homes and where this project may
be relative to them. Um so that's why

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you know from Tilton we would ask that
the setbacks be more aligned with the

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state siding law just simply because of
the fact that there there aren't as many

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homes. Now there is a certain part of
the project where kind of both

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jurisdictions in with regards to the
setback topic kind of overlap and that's

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right along Tilton Cat Road. And so what
we're doing right now is we

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[clears throat] are telling our
contractor to design a project where we

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maintain capacity
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setbacks on Tilton Cat Road and on the
western side of the project. So the

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western kind of the northwestern area.
So our guidance to them has been like

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tell us what the maximum is. That's what
we're going to approach this as. Is it

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300 ft? Is it 500 ft? Is it 800 ft? And
so what we're trying to, you know,

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really control for here is the areas
where this is going to be most visible

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where it's most impacted. And to us that
that appears to be right along Tilson C

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road 1250 east kind of going east north
going up from there and the east along

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that road that connects to that. So like
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extended setbacks. But again, because of
the interstate on the Europe North,

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because of no adjacent like property,
nonparticipating property owners on the

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east, we request from the village to
align that with the state sighting bill

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knowing that we're really approaching
this on a customized basis. And the way,

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you know, we can we can implement that
to give sure to folks is putting those

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in their um entering into good neighbor
agreements with them and entering those

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setbacks into those agreements with
them. That will be a way to approach

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[clears throat] this on a customizable
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» Can I ask another question?
You said there's a bunch of trees.

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There's nothing you're talking about on
his property. There's one tree. Where

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where are the rest of those trees? I
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day. Where are they? I apologize if
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I'm I'm not going to have is is
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» it's okay but the way I understand
there's some frustration and things like

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that with the whole project but this is
this idea is not behind whether we like

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it or don't
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doesn't he
I understand I'm trying to get it out

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too um is that I I don't want the
dialect back just between you

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It's it's one of them things if you have
a question I'm okay with it otherwise

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I'll shut it off and we won't have it
till the end because it is a lot of

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rough to remember questions and
sometimes when you're in in the heat of

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something you you know it's easy to hey
I got a question

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right there ask one question
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» and if I just wanted to add one general
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was in a report the uh third party
consultant that the village hired had

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indicated that he thought that the 1800
100 foot setback was excessive.

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» That actually just to clarify that too
is that that was a professor that the

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mayor reached out to just as an opinion.
We didn't hire that person. Okay. Um he

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was looking for some sort of uh
information out of someone other than an

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outside source. But yes, I my apologies.
I thought they were they were

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consultant. But yeah, I remember the
last a letter was rather some

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last [clears throat] about um you know,
a participating owner um who uh you

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know, they they're going to have to be
far away. Well, I think in section

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350.52
under D4,

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it talks about um the setbacks for
um if if a homeowner or or you let's say

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somebody um participates in in the
utility scale or otherwise approves the

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setbacks closer Those
particular property owners can do that

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» do that.
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if you have anything.
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And one thing I guess I had down a
couple things um was that it the terms

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were used out of the this is outside the
industry norms. Of course there's

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nothing normal about this project. I
guess 1400 acres of of

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new industry that we're we're looking
at. So uh

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just understand that both sides are
trying to trying to think of think of

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stuff here. So um
and I think some of the

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some of the thought process too is that
you know that's one of the ways we can

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grow open is at that direction. So going
to the the half a mile and uh some of

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the setbacks and things too. And if
you're on our doorstep then it's not

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going to be for land. I mean, we have to
keep that in mind, too. And as we're

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going forward, trying to find a
reasonable solution to it. Anything

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» uh storm water and nes
facility sh be subject to storm water

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so we tried to provide a
well, we're actually having consult and

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prepare a very thorough response to
this. Um we do

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we understand that the concern around
one of the main concerns around this is

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its impact to potential groundwater.
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we would ask if the village could be
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what type of equipment or activity is
creating this concern.

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U you know perhaps it's the modules or
the panels perhaps something else. Uh,

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you know, the issue we have with testing
of water in addition to the reasons

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mentioned last time, which is there's
just been so much activity around this

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project area in the past, and we don't
know what can flow where over what

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amount of time.
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for something that occurred from a zinc
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Uh but also
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will be prohibitive to our financing and
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we absolutely want to work with the
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community on this topic, but we're
trying to find a different way uh that

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still gets to kind of the same
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Um so if it's you know hey we don't want
we're concerned about tellite panels we

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can commit to not using those
um we write and sign something to that

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effect
uh but I think you know out of all the

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items uh in here you know the
groundwater testing issue is the biggest

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issue for us it's not because we have
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because of these potential liabilities
that could come up as mentioned in the

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future, who knows when and because of
what? Uh and therefore the financing of

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the project also gets into jeopardy. So
again, you know, it's we would ask for

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more detail around what about these
projects creates this concern and why

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doesn't some other kind of
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same issue or concern. Um so that's kind
of you know what we'd like what we'd

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like to know out of this is you know
what what about our process in

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construction or operations and how can
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And and as a followup, I think that last
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as well because singling out of one
particular use and making them do

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testing while not applying that testing
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think due process and constitutional
issues potentially.

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uh because uh so I think that the
village is going to have to do some

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homework on why that um why that's
justified. For example, when you know

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we're talking about steel and metal and
glass that virtually well many other

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businesses for example are going to use.
And so the question is why is this

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particular use being singled out and not
those other ones? Um and I think uh

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expose [clears throat] the village to
can the questions about that that

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singling out a single use as arbitrary
and precious thing.

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» Well, I I uh just my personal opinion on
it when I I look at it and I think about

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I'm not a solo solar farm do planning
these. Um, but as you're you're going

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out and putting uh putting these up, one
thing I can think about is driving, you

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know, something in the ground 15 ft deep
is going to be the first concern. So,

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it's been farmland this whole time and
if you're taking fertilizer, pesticide,

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whatever is out there, you know, you're
going to allow that to potentially

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penetrate the the ground and it would
get into the aquaur.

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um you know and we could go on for hours
and debate that and I couldn't because I

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don't know that much about it but I'm
sure we could.

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» Um so I mean I think that could be one
particular thing right there. Um I think

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the same concern could happen for an
area uh person that owns a owns

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home what happens if they're well
cracked up what happens if it you know

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something happens that their oils
contaminated at this point and once

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again whose fault is it? I don't know.
I'm not saying it could be yours. It

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just I don't know. So, I think that's
getting everything out and and about in

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the beginning. Uh the samples and things
is is probably smart and ongoing

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with the time is going to reassure that
it's not you you know if it would happen

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to be a coal coal mine for example. U
thinks the same thing would be, you

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know, as far as your your concern about
um singling solar out. I I I'm not here

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to single anybody out because if it was
a fertilizer plant that is going to

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drive 15t pile of, you know, steel poles
in the ground, then I think they need to

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do it as well. So, part of this whole
thing of going over is to adjust some of

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our uh ordinances and look at some
things that maybe we've never had

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before. Um, and we're adjusting some of
that stuff. So, that's I think that's

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what we're doing at this point. So, uh,
>> is there a specific

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uh project that was going out there and
that we didn't

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um require that from them?
I I'm not aware that the village has

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this requirement that applies to other
types of facilities such as a fertilizer

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plant or a grain elevator or anything
like that. So I'm maybe you do but if

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you do then I think you're going to be
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but I don't think you do. No we don't.
That's what I'm telling you. Part part

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of this looking at all this with the
whole point was trying to look at some

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potential problems that we have
come about. That's the reason we're

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here. So, you know, you you brought a
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» Oh, sorry. Something
>> go ahead.

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» I guess from a risk standpoint, and I'm
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[clears throat]
from a risk standpoint and done a risk

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assessment. I guess it's not so much of
the materials that you're using, it's

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the process and it's the procedure
that's being done is what the concern

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is.
Well, from a a legal standpoint, again,

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I mean, you're singling out a particular
use and they haven't they established

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that that that aren't other facilities
that have the same process as you're

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referring to.
>> So, I think those risks are associated

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with plenty of other activities and uses
that could be cited in this area.

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» Is it against the law to start the
process right now?

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» But what I'm saying it's it's the it's
the technique that's being used. There's

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a difference between when you're
drilling 15 ft in deep multiple times

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across something versus when you're
going to put something right on top.

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There's there's a difference in
>> that's that's a question of volume and

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and you use the word drilling and that's
not what happens with these tiles. But

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» but no, but they're breaking through the
soil. You're breaking through all of the

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bedrock, the sand, the rock, the top
soil. Everything is breaking. When you

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are breaking through anything like that,
there's going to be compromise. I don't

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agree with you on that because you're
also not a I look I don't want to get

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into our She's not an environmental
scientist.

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» No, no, but I
and I can tell you what the All I'm

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saying is they're legal concerns and
there are other uses that do exactly

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what this facility is going to do.
>> And I understand and that's what we're

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talking about
>> and we don't want you doing what we're

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asking them not to do.
>> Yeah, I agree. the way you're speaking

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to people.
>> Okay.

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» We do have an ordinance um that says
when our soil um engineering report when

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required by the village engineer um and
necessary test boarding and shall

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contain all the information listed about
um the nature um data regarding the

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nature distribution strength and
erodability of the soil um conclusions

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and recommendations for grading
procedures. I mean this is already one

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of our ordinances um
>> that has our code under erosion and

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sediment control.
>> Sure. Absolutely. But that's that's

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that's not the same thing as requiring
groundwater to to to move on. Noted that

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this is the point
>> we get. Yes.

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» Can I say something?
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being in the agricultural business being
on that property for

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very unique a lot of it is surface area

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it's the water movement across the
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and that is that is natural flow of
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and if you're in the fertile business
any other business like that would have

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containment
this industry doesn't have containment

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to contain the water from the runoff.
That's the difference.

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» If they would I think they would be have
if they're going to use a certain tan

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then they would have required have
containment contain water.

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Well, I mean, they will have to do a a
they'll have to pull a a swift from the

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Illinois EPA that shows that the storm
water will not be

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will not spread out. And if that there
will be an engineering study done

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similar to what was described
and if it shows that um a certain volume

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is is is exceeded, that's going to be
disturbed. they will uh potentially have

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to to install detention pumps.
>> You also got to look at the recharge

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because distribution and absorption rate
is going to change too. So you've got

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recharge of water coming in and being
absorbed. So because it's not what it is

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now and there's going to be
spots, you're going to have a buffer in

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You cannot disrupt the natural flow of
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» right?
>> The u what I have noticed is uh trucks

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out there doing are you already doing
some sort of soil sample this point?

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» I was just curious.

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I just going over my notes to make sure
I don't miss something.

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» Wasn't there coral samples pulled last
fall?

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» Yeah.
>> Yes. Yes, there was.

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» Yeah.
>> But the question was like right now

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trucks out there.
>> Yeah. The question was now

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but we did have a technical survey
conducted at level

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anything else.

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Okay. because
ground cover and buffer areas.

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» Yeah, this one I think is pretty
straightforward. I mean,

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in accordance to to align with the
Illinois Illinois Pollinator Friendly

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Act
project would have pollinators planted

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within inside the fence line. For these
pollinators to be able to propagate

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properly, it needs to reach a height of
36 in. That's what our real main concern

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is. And that's why, you know, in the
notes here, we do suggest an alternative

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like if if you really do want it to stay
at 10 in, we can we said, you know, the

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limit should not be closed until later
in the summer. Aggregated plant have an

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opportunity to probably
and I apologize that I'm not a

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horiculturist either.
>> Neither. Oh yeah, but if I got a 4x4

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area at home and I I go find a 10x10
bush to put in it, I know it's not going

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to fit there. So, do they not make a
pollinator that is 10 in high? It

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doesn't grow over that.
>> I'm not sure. Um I do not know. Uh I do

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know what I do know about the pollinator
seed mixes that the seed mixes are

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approved by the state for the specific
area.

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Um, that's about all I know is my
knowledge limitation on this.

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» That' probably be something to find out
to note because that'll be a question if

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we
>> were intending to have our director of

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environmental join the next call or the
next meeting here. Um, so so we could

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cover some of these topics as well.
>> Gotcha. How far off the ground are we

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solved?

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» Depends on design, but 8 to 10 ft.
>> Yeah, max.

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What's I'm sorry I didn't maximum tilt
tilt. Yeah,

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» the panel.
>> What's the maximum? 8 ft is the maximum

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it will be when it's vertical.
>> You can walk underneath.

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» That's what you're saying. I mean, walk
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» That's what I'm saying. How far off the
ground will the panel be from the

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ground? The edge of the panel is
tilting.

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» How are we What's it completely? If it's
completely flat, let's say

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» 5t.

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» Okay. So, if it's tilted, then it's we
take it down.

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» So, from the ground to the bottom of the
panel, whether it's tilted or laying

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flat is going to be 5 to 7 ft.
Uh I mean if it's tilted like this then

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the bottom becomes this part I guess
which is going to be less than 5T at

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that point maybe four in that case when
it's fully tilted down I'm not it's flat

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like this then that's the five level

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I thought something different like if we
had uh

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inside is a certain height, outside is a
certain height of the fenced area. Uh

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for example, could be a compromise
potentially.

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» Uh it could be I think if it doesn't
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friendly act for the for the project.
I'm not there's a scorec card for it. Um

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and I'm not sure if the outside defense
area is scored within that criteria. If

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it's not then yes to your question. If
it is then we need to look into that.

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» Yeah. One thing additionally we met with
the u soil and water conservation

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district um last week and they mentioned
that they are often involved in

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approving and reviewing the vegetation
management plan we come up with for this

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particular project. So they will have
you know eyes on it and they're experts

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in that particular field. So sure that
they have give us their approval on that

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as well.
>> Who is that again?

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» Uh soil water conservation district.

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» Yes sir.

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Anything else on that?

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» [clears throat]

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» Okay. So, moving

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on.
>> Yeah. I just make sure I didn't have

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something because I did like you did go
through and have questions for YouTube.

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So, that's why it's taking me a minute
to make sure I don't miss something. Uh

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be D12 visibility. facility
designed to be screened in between.

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» Yeah, [clears throat] I I I think this
one's pretty straightforward. um if

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refers to screening in two separate
places in the ordinance.

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What you know if this if the project is
to be screened around the entire

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perimeter,
then what additionally would we need to

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do if some residential, you know,
development came up front, you know, on

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any side that's already screened.
So that's why we just found a issue with

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that. Um because you're asking for it to
already be screened. So adding

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additional language saying If a
residential development comes up, you

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will screen it. Screen one. Sorry.
Screen. So that's that's all

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[clears throat] you wanted to clarify
there.

423
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:14,720
Part of this rolls into other things,
but this is some of my comment, but one

424
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:20,079
of the talking about screening uh in the
fencing and and it rolls into the

425
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:24,800
whether it's a cattle fence type you
have your term for it. I don't remember

426
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:30,160
what it is, but the uh but if we stuck
with a a wood fence, you know, for

427
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:34,160
example, uh you know, and some nice
evergreens and things like that, that

428
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:38,480
would help with that scenario, too,
where the screening is already there. It

429
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:41,760
looks nice. Somebody, you know, could
build next to that, not worry about it.

430
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:46,000
So, I think all that kind of goes hand
in hand, you know, as we're trying to

431
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:51,680
find something that makes sense along
with noise because the noise is in there

432
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:55,599
too with with uh trying to to help that.
So, and we'll get into that a little bit

433
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,040
a little bit later, but I think, you
know, a thought with the evergreens

434
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:03,920
being, you know, five, six feet. I know
that was one comment we had last time,

435
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:07,520
you know, plant these little foot tall
things. I mean, not necessarily that you

436
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:11,440
do it, but we see others doing it and
and they're dead, you know, after the

437
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:15,040
deer's on three times and all of a
sudden no, nothing happens to it. So,

438
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:20,960
that's what I think we're looking at
trying to make sure that if if this does

439
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:24,000
go, then we got a look that's going to
be appealing to everyone moving forward

440
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:27,000
to.
>> Okay.

441
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,839
» And same with wood fence. Who's going to
maintain it? Because wood fence don't

442
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,760
last very long.
>> Uh we

443
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,960
» especially when you're talking 30 some
years.

444
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:43,520
» Of course. Um the M team generally
sources local for this type of work. So

445
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:49,520
ming fence maintenance type work is
sourced locally.

446
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:54,320
» Be like for example the mall has I think
Atlantic is like a

447
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:58,800
goes and cleans up the mall and stuff
like that. Um that'd be some very

448
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,440
similar to that. have a company come in
and take care of it.

449
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:07,359
» Yeah. I mean, and you know, we have a
project right now [clears throat]

450
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:14,320
that started construction county uh and
we're meeting with various land owners

451
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:20,000
about the home during operations.
>> We have several in Danville area. So, do

452
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:24,960
you think they have a maintenance type?
>> Um, you know, community solar projects

453
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,880
are generally
they're smaller, right? And because of

454
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:35,359
their size, there's there's smaller
investments, lower revenue, etc., etc.

455
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:41,119
Uh sometimes they mo in most occasions,
they won't have someone on site. Uh

456
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:46,400
whereas this facility will have anywhere
between three to five new hires that'll

457
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:49,839
be working from the gas plant just down
the road.

458
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:54,160
Um
so yeah I mean with with regards to

459
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:58,480
community solar I can't speak towards
any other company's operations but my

460
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:04,720
general ob observation on it has been
that community solar sites are very much

461
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:08,720
managed remotely in a holistic sense uh
with the exception of of mowing and

462
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:12,560
those types of things and that's why you
may also be seeing poor management of

463
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:17,280
that because there's nobody actually
around here to do something about it.

464
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:23,119
Well, it makes me think too that just
like everything else that you know if I

465
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:28,400
want my itch to pick up the the room if
they don't then they're going for it.

466
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:31,920
» So that may be something too that we you
>> Yeah, I think that's something we could

467
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:37,839
definitely be okay with. Um you know,
another good example. So we just went

468
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:43,599
through this exercise at Gibson City. Um
you know, Ford County required that we

469
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:49,040
plant the trees prior to construction.
We stated to them that

470
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:53,040
um probably not a good idea uh because
of all the construction activities and

471
00:40:51,119 --> 00:41:00,160
we'll have a lot more die out than what
is already expected. Uh nonetheless

472
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:04,960
they they wanted it so we did it. Uh
that facility has now gone into

473
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:08,319
commercial operations and we just
replanted the trees, right? I mean

474
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,280
that's your project. So
>> yeah,

475
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:15,760
» I just saw the invoice for the replant.
So that's how I know where it is.

476
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:20,640
» Yeah. I mean they they were adamant
about having the uh tree running before

477
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:25,520
construction. We did it then now we're
um going back and replanting trees that

478
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:29,760
died off during construction period to
continue to be in accordance with their

479
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:34,240
ordinance. But yeah, as it pertains to
Gibson city um we're hiring a very

480
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:38,240
professional
group who

481
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:42,400
looking to handle all the vegetative
maintenance operations as well. So it'll

482
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:46,160
be there's someone very specialized in
that field that will be handling that

483
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:49,680
during the operations.
>> I have a real quick question on on the

484
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,599
fencing.
Any of your hammer substations have like

485
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:58,480
six foot fence with three strands of
fire wire

486
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,880
wire that to keep people from there's
lethal voltages.

487
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:11,280
The connection of two panels together
[clears throat] that's lethal.

488
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:17,040
Besides the transformers that go up to
69,000 volts or whatever.

489
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:23,119
» Yeah, that's something too that I I kind
of I'm sure it's in my notes somewhere.

490
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:27,760
I might have just but
>> you guys are calling for a 10ft fence

491
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:33,040
call for an 8ft fence and being able to
synchronize on that for one thing.

492
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:37,040
Another thing is it seems like need the
three strands wire because any kid can

493
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:42,640
climb over an 8 foot or 10 foot fence
without wire.

494
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,720
» And I understand that that's what that's
another another thing with you know

495
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:52,400
being in the country you know you kids
go out and get into different things or

496
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:56,079
curious four-wheelers
all the time.

497
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:59,319
» Yeah. Bicycles, scooters, motorbikes,
>> they're all

498
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:14,560
question
outside source to maintain the fence and

499
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:18,920
the vegetation.
They have to be iners.

500
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,920
Not the folks who are in charge of
vegetation maintenance but construction

501
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:35,680
during the construction period. There is
a certain threshold of paper.

502
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,680
» Is that something that could require
them

503
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:50,680
for supports doing this? I would think
they would be on board.

504
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:59,359
that
>> we wouldn't have a problem with any sort

505
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:03,240
of requirements. All of our projects are
100% paper

506
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:23,520
13.
Uh the glare reflection

507
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:28,880
» this one is I think it's pretty
straightforward one. Um they just

508
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:36,319
reference to glare and reflection. Um so
we just asked that one term used there

509
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:40,800
ideally glare. Um or sorry more
specifically why reflection is the term

510
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:46,240
used in there. Um so yeah we're just
trying to

511
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:50,640
remove some ambiguity there.
Get some clarity. I I think glare is a

512
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:56,160
more technical term perhaps a term of
art and is it's used interchangeably in

513
00:44:53,359 --> 00:45:02,400
the provision with light reflection. So
I think they're familiar with what glare

514
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:06,720
is not sure what light reflection means.
So that's what we want is the term the

515
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:12,359
term of light reflection. That's what
you separate

516
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:12,359
» between

517
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,000
then just go with one.
>> Yeah. same thing as far as

518
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:23,839
» well I know obviously with some of that
compared to that whether it's glare

519
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:29,200
light reflection or whatever the sunsets
are bad you know the one approach cat

520
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:34,319
anyway when I drive out that way but um
in along the lines of that glare light

521
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:39,119
reflection type thing um has there been
any type of studies done

522
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:41,200
» or what what can you explain some of the
studies that happened during some of

523
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:49,119
this
>> yeah sure we we definitely get glare

524
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:56,800
studies done for the project. Um we all
of our projects uh that we develop show

525
00:45:52,319 --> 00:46:02,240
no glare. Um that's our goal. Uh we
generally if glare does show up. So what

526
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:09,040
they'll do is they'll take reference
points. So if we think of um this

527
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:14,240
project um let's just use Tilton C road
as an example. uh maybe they'll have

528
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:20,319
like call it half a dozen reference
points from that road at a 10 foot

529
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:24,480
height level. So they'll take into
consideration from that reference point

530
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:29,440
at 10ft height level what's the glare
look like there and if there is and

531
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:34,960
it'll also tell us like what time of day
is it like the daytime you know or is it

532
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:40,319
during the sunset is it western basin or
eastern basin and at that point when we

533
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:44,240
get that those reports back then we go
through different mitigation strategies

534
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:50,400
so if let's say something showed yellow
glare to the east we would maybe more

535
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:54,960
vegetation taller trees, uh maybe put
some kind of fence screening in front of

536
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:59,839
that area. So, there's there's multiple
ways we can go about mitigating glare

537
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:06,800
and it is one of our priority items as
well developing project.

538
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:12,160
» I know some of the some of the concerns
obviously out there I had a actually one

539
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:18,640
of my employees wrecked on a motorcycle
out there and lost his life. But uh I

540
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:23,280
look at different heights obviously. So
you say 10 foot, you know, some we got

541
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:27,280
tractor kids, we've got, you know, even
the kids the

542
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:33,040
um semis, combines, and there's all
kinds of different. So I I would like to

543
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:38,400
see when you do a study like that is to
get the different very nice.

544
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:43,280
I think that would be especially for the
community that we're in. That would

545
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:47,839
help. Good thing.
>> And again, just just to make sure we're

546
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:53,040
on the same page, I would recommend
using the term glare because, for

547
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:58,240
example, the FAA has a regulation that
says you can't there can't be glare if

548
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:03,920
you're if you have solar panels near an
airport. Um, and they used to again,

549
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:08,880
it's a it's a the term of art is glare,
not other types of Yeah, I can

550
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:14,240
understand. The birds get confused too
when they're flying around because why?

551
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:18,463
You're not a bird, but I think that
another another

552
00:48:16,443 --> 00:48:18,463
[clears throat]

553
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,960
13.

554
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:37,920
So, we'll go to 14, which is lighting.
I'm sorry. I had some lighting.

555
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:43,280
So,
Oh, sorry. I'm I'm gonna get off of

556
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:50,400
there for a minute. Um, as far as the
lighting, so u I think just a few things

557
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:54,800
that I kind of thought about was that u
you know some of the terms of maintain

558
00:48:52,559 --> 00:49:01,280
lighting. Uh one of the situations we
had in town was a a business uh that had

559
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:05,760
some some lights but they weren't on and
then it was it dependent on who had them

560
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:09,760
on. Uh so you think of safety and and
things of that nature. So basically we

561
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,880
have to get terms in there. I feel that
you maintain it. It's okay to put up a

562
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,480
light bulb. We don't put a light bulb in
it. Doesn't matter.

563
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:21,200
» So that type of thing. Uh and I'm once
again just thinking of of the things

564
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:28,400
that we dealt with with other people. um
for example um and then on 15 um you

565
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:31,839
know on the cooling system I don't know
a whole lot about it but going back to

566
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:38,400
that whole containment and runoff and
and things of that nature um and liquids

567
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:42,640
you know uh stuff like that and maybe
that would be something that maybe a a

568
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:47,440
concrete barrier or some type of
retainment barrier around the the

569
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:51,520
cooling system uh or something might
need to be

570
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:56,000
looked at or something of that nature.
So, um I've looked into enough of this

571
00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:59,760
stuff that make me dangerous and then
sometimes I cough it and other times I I

572
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,680
don't know what the hell I'm coughing
up. But I'm just saying some of the

573
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,680
things I see just trying to bring up
thought processes.

574
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:12,480
» Yeah. I mean the you know location of
cooling systems for these projects would

575
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:18,160
be at the inverter locations
uh and then at the project substation

576
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:21,920
that's where the cooling fans would be
um

577
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:27,760
substation equipment wise I will get
more detail on how they mitigate these

578
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:35,200
concerns. I do know that with the
inverters um there are trace amounts of

579
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:40,240
mineral oils in them and to catch those
upon any kind of issue there's you know

580
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:45,359
they have a they have something that
catches the oil under it right so

581
00:50:43,165 --> 00:50:52,079
[clears throat] um there are some
mitigations to that um but I think I

582
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:58,240
need to get a little smarter on what
type of fluids exist within the

583
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:01,240
substation itself. So I can address that
better.

584
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:09,280
» Um and then the only other thing I had
on that was I think it's from the last

585
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:14,960
meeting we talked about chemicals and
and things like that sitting around and

586
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:18,400
a time frame of how long they sit, when
when to get rid of them, that type of

587
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:24,240
thing. That was just something else. an
example of someone that you had old oil

588
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:29,040
in your garage, you know, that you you
drain out of the tractor, you know, for

589
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:33,200
example, and it's sitting there um it's
out of sight, out of mind, but it

590
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:37,599
doesn't mean that it's gone,
>> so to speak. So, I guess that was kind

591
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:42,640
of the thought process behind that.
>> I guess I might have done work

592
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:48,319
substation so forth. Um, some of those
transformers hold 600 gallon, 800, 900

593
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:55,599
gallons of oils. A lot of the cooling
oils recently have gone to biodegradable

594
00:51:52,400 --> 00:52:02,400
vegetable oils, soybean oil, but some of
the transformers have some really toxic

595
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:04,000
oils that you don't want
seeping in the ground.

596
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,480
» Sure.
>> Okay. So

597
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,400
» maybe a good
>> So I think you should require

598
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:15,640
containment
you know unless the transformers are

599
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,640
definitely

600
00:52:16,176 --> 00:52:24,160
[clears throat] using vegetable.
>> So I think that's something we could

601
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:30,000
actually get into detail about. Um you
know the the main power transformers are

602
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:35,119
generally one of the longest lead items
in in the supply chain. Uh, so we

603
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:40,800
ordered that transformer over a year
ago. So what I'm getting at is we could

604
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:45,680
ask the manufacturer about details about
>> I'm assuming newer transformers. I'm

605
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:49,520
assuming it's using
>> some kind of oil, but yeah, we'll get

606
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:54,240
I'll get the information on that and
come back here next time.

607
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:58,240
» Some really toxic stuff that's actually
hazardous waste to [snorts] get rid of.

608
00:52:56,319 --> 00:53:01,920
And if there's and if there is anything
concerning in that regard then you know

609
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:07,440
we should be talking about to your point
how do we contain and mitigate that.

610
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,599
» Yes.
>> I can

611
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:16,880
so on any substation that's designed now
it's not designed by local building code

612
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:23,040
it's designed by the national electric
code and there will be usually 200%

613
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:28,640
containment um with concrete. So if
let's say the transformer is 800 gallons

614
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:34,240
of fluid, we have a 1,600 gallon
containment there for that. It's

615
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:37,839
impermanent of concrete. And I've been
electric business for last 22 years. I

616
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,160
don't know where I can find a
transformer that had PCBs anymore. You'd

617
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:45,920
have to get one that was, you know,
maybe 30, 40 years old, polycllorinated

618
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:52,880
by phenals. They just don't make them
anymore. Um, not that anyone that would

619
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:57,119
go on a project of of this magnitude all
mineral oil and to try to get one with

620
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:04,079
bad stuff. I think you'd have to go out
of your way and be deliberate about

621
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:08,079
getting one from a less people country.
I haven't seen one in 22 years.

622
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:17,119
Thank you. [clears throat]
>> Um 17

623
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:22,400
uh power and communication lines.
>> Um just another clarity question here.

624
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:27,040
Uh just asking for clarity around um
power running between it inverter banks

625
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:32,559
or panels.
>> They want the um we would like the

626
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:39,920
wiring all to be at least 24 in
underground.

627
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:44,319
» Okay. All wiring across the project
>> panels all wiring will be minimum 24 in

628
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:48,119
underground.
>> Okay,

629
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,119
» those are the Maris.

630
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,079
» Yeah, that's

631
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:11,720
so
Yes. Um [clears throat]

632
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:11,720
you're right. Um so

633
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:20,160
one area of the project that we would
prefer to design where cables are not

634
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:26,319
buried is the connections between the
panels. So you know they're in strings

635
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:31,440
of call 100 panels to connect all those
together above ground. They're not, you

636
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:37,040
know, they're like literally a few
inches below the panel itself. It's a

637
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:42,160
call the cap system. They keep it, you
know, kind of taught across the across

638
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:46,720
the whole string and once it collects
all the power from the whole string of

639
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:52,480
panels, then it will go underground
and through the inverter. Um, so,

640
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:56,559
um, I think, you know, if you could say
with the exception of a cap system or

641
00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:01,119
something or or the connection cables
connecting the panels

642
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:08,440
together,
yeah, we're we're absolutely fine that

643
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:08,440
we're able to do that area

644
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:17,960
and we can show examples of this as
well.

645
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:27,119
Where are the wires? I'm sorry. I'm not
familiar. Where are the wires you said

646
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,440
are going to be connected above ground?
Like where are they at on the solar

647
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:35,280
panel?
>> Um, so

648
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:38,960
starting with my example here,
>> if this is the panel, uh, it would be

649
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,160
about right here.
>> So, it's pretty close to the

650
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:45,200
» It's pretty close. I mean, maybe I'm
exactly, let's call it a range of here.

651
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,839
» 6 in,
>> something like that. Maybe 8 to 12 in

652
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:50,559
long
>> off the ground or under

653
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,920
» under the panel.
>> Okay.

654
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,440
» Yeah.
>> Tie to the framework.

655
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:57,440
» Yeah.
>> They just basically change between

656
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:59,920
panels. Bunch of wire ties to the
framework.

657
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:03,920
» Do are you guys concerned about moles?
Because we have a cemetery out there and

658
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:06,480
there's a terrible mole problem.
>> I'm just telling you.

659
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:11,599
» And I have a mole problem at my house.
That's why I left. I'm sorry. Um I do

660
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:17,720
not know about this area, but it's
something to think about for sure.

661
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,720
Anything

662
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,920
else on that? 17

663
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,240
18
Dr. Rose.

664
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:40,960
» Yes. I think this one, you know, our
response is really just more geared

665
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:45,599
towards being properly to maintenance if
needed. What we were told from

666
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:52,079
engineering on this item is that
anything below 4 in of depth to clear uh

667
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:57,200
would cause more damage to the access
road itself

668
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:02,240
than what it's trying to achieve as good
before that. Um if you'd like a

669
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,520
suggestion for us from us, we can
certainly come back with one.

670
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:09,319
» Well, what if we say something like not
to exceed 4 in

671
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:21,040
I suggest not sure if a if a um first
responder has to go out there and

672
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,640
there's 4 in of snow and all of a sudden
they fall

673
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:31,200
» because the snow's not removed now all
of a sudden I I'm happy

674
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:36,000
let alone them right so I mean I guess I
look at it from if you to use your term

675
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:38,960
of risk management you know plowing snow
and maintaining the roads and that's

676
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:45,280
what we do around We have to fill
potholes. We have to do we do it all the

677
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:50,720
time. So if you're going to uh in a lack
of any better words put safety ahead of

678
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:56,319
plowing snow and making sure a road then
I I don't care for that.

679
00:58:52,720 --> 00:59:01,680
» Okay. Um would be my opinion personally.
Um

680
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:06,559
understood. Um we can go back and have
another discussion with our team around

681
00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:09,359
this. Try to push them to see
down there.

682
00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:21,520
Thanks
as the uh wildlife passage.

683
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:28,319
I think the concern with this one is the
lack of a definition as to what a

684
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:33,839
wildlife passage is. Um and
uh for starters, I think I understand

685
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:37,760
that the objective, but we're not sure
how that would work in practice. And

686
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:43,680
again, as I
commented about earlier is is this going

687
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:51,280
to is this singling out solar as a as a
use or would this be applied to other

688
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:58,960
uses? Um so having having greater detail
about what what a wildlife passage is

689
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:06,240
would help possibly with the design. Um
uh other concerns would be that the safe

690
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:10,559
DNR already uh handles things like this
when it comes to certain categories of

691
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:17,040
wildlife threatened and endangered
species. So you you run into a potential

692
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:22,240
preeemption issue there. Um but yeah, I
think that it getting a little more um

693
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:29,200
detailed when it comes to definitions or
using an existing definition uh that say

694
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:34,319
is is already built into IDNR's
uh code and lexicon like uh you know

695
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:38,920
Illinois nature preserve commission
protected land state parks etc.

696
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:45,920
» Um in response you've said it probably
two or three times now about

697
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:48,880
discriminating against them. This is not
what

698
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:53,200
» trying to do open dialogue with them but
I mean you made it clear so I understand

699
01:00:51,440 --> 01:01:00,319
» that this would be another example.
Yeah. And I understand. Um so also when

700
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:03,839
you you say others uh it says here like
residential subdivisions, grain

701
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:09,760
elevators, blah blah blah. They're not
1400 acres. So I sold it for either. Um

702
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:15,680
so when you're, you know,
>> you're not disclosing animals, you know,

703
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:19,200
in a in many animals and in something
like that. So I get what you're saying.

704
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:22,640
I know from a legal standpoint, but it's
not that we're trying to single single

705
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:28,240
you out. I
>> No, no, I understand. But I I just I'm

706
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:33,680
um
you could have alternative uses in this

707
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:39,040
area that um maybe they're not 14 acres,
but they're really big warehouses. I

708
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:44,799
mean, go up to Joliet. Look at look at
what they're doing south of of Joliet.

709
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:48,799
They're really big large facilities.
>> Uh so that's all I'm trying to say. So I

710
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:55,480
yeah it may not be apples and oranges
with respect to this project but it it

711
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:55,480
could be with other

712
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,960
» and if any other project came down
through there and we thought there were

713
01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:07,680
safety concerns or whatever we're going
to have the same

714
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:12,559
» same uh questions for them. We're have
the same concerns.

715
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:16,240
» We haven't had that. So what you're
saying is

716
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:22,559
» like
>> you're assuming

717
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:25,440
» right but I think you have to my only
point is it should be applied to other

718
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:28,319
uses.
>> Sure.

719
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,728
I know
[clears throat]

720
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:51,079
» on uh 20
>> uh fencing landscaping.

721
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:58,559
Yeah, I mean I think it we somewhat
optimize this already. I think if it

722
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:02,559
just kind of you just need to lower the
fence a little bit to better also align

723
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:06,480
it with with Catelyn as well so the
project can just have one height on the

724
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:11,440
fence line.
>> Maybe Katlin can raise theirs to our

725
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:14,599
level [laughter]
that way.

726
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:20,799
» I agree.
>> It could be that way too.

727
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:26,400
And and if you know gentleman's
suggestion of of the you know

728
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:30,720
barb wire you know that that's fine as
well. Maybe it's 8 ft plus that I don't

729
01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:35,200
know maybe there's you know I feel like
>> I mean compromise 8t barb wire maybe.

730
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:39,440
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Compromised.

731
01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:44,480
» Um I think the mayor's intention with a
10ft chain link fence is what he is

732
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:49,640
wanting is for feeasant quail
populations so that predators can't get

733
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,640
in.

734
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,680
Okay.
>> Okay.

735
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,559
» Okay. And it can be his opinion. I mean,
it's just like I have an opinion. That's

736
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:04,319
that's okay.
>> Um and I guess you know he can probably

737
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:08,640
explain a little bit more to his
thought.

738
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:11,760
» And he he also mentioned barbwire.
>> Okay.

739
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:16,319
And just so I guess we're all kind of on
the same page with the whole like the

740
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:19,599
intention here is to like have some kind
of screening around the fence, right?

741
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:23,520
Like um you know there's those like
fences that have like the green

742
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:26,000
screening on top of it.
>> Something like that is what the

743
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,760
intention here is. Okay.
>> Yeah, understood.

744
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:33,599
» Well, I mean
>> good point. I personally like the wood

745
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,400
fence, you know, when you when you look
at I know it's more

746
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,440
» Yes. Yes, I know it's going to be more
expensive and things like that. But it's

747
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:43,599
it's one of those things when you stop
and you think about, you know, your wind

748
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:48,480
tunnel, your noise, your your looking,
your all that type of stuff, your best

749
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:52,559
case scenario is that
>> uh I guess one thing to note on the

750
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:59,920
higher fence plus the opaque kind of
layer onto it is that um that will

751
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:05,599
require a greater wind load.
Um, so you know the the the corners

752
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:10,960
generally of the fencing will have some
level of like concrete poured in that

753
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:14,400
area. In this design it would require a
little bit more. So just wanted to kind

754
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:19,119
of like bring that to your awareness as
well, but we're okay with implementing

755
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:25,319
that. [clears throat]
>> Um,

756
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,319
some of it I had on here

757
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:34,960
the fencing acts like a wind sail.
So I I get if it's don't the panels do

758
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:39,119
the same thing or
>> the gas sterile

759
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:43,000
correct.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's

760
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:49,920
a fair statement. Um I I don't know what
the wind loads of the fencing would be,

761
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:54,319
but I do know that the wind loads of of
the the

762
01:05:51,839 --> 01:05:57,319
panel system itself is around 170 to
105.

763
01:06:02,795 --> 01:06:07,559
» [clears throat]
>> treatment of sir.

764
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,760
And then as far as

765
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:34,079
on the uh
I know you had that you requested the uh

766
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:39,119
artist match the industry standard but I
don't I like a little standard above

767
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:47,119
myself just I'm an image guy but um
anyway the uh 35% dead I have I kind of

768
01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:52,720
agree it's kind of hard to there's no
>> for that but I think with with um with

769
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:56,720
the right wording in there and things of
that nature that if it's

770
01:06:54,559 --> 01:07:00,000
» you know it's got to be you know you
want to look and it goes back

771
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:03,599
» we're on the same
>> we're on the same page here I think we

772
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:09,039
just need a better set of like how to
define what needs to replace

773
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:13,920
» um and after I read this actually I did
speak with a couple people I think there

774
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:21,319
is some kind of methodology to
I don't know. I'd have to find out

775
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:21,319
again. But yes, we do. We can do that

776
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:38,160
on the I skipped one. I'm back 21 now.
So, this is the weed policy plan. Uh

777
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:44,240
what's what is your plan for we?
>> So, all of the projects do have a weed

778
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:47,920
management plan. um
along with you know the vegetation

779
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:54,640
management plan, dust mitigation plan,
dirt or construction etc. um

780
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:58,640
it will be a part of this as well. Uh so
you will have a weed management plan and

781
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:02,000
if you so desire you could come to the
board for approval of that prior

782
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:06,720
construction.
>> So so you just I mean like are you

783
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:12,799
mammals or what?
>> Um generally there's spot treatments

784
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:15,680
that are done. Uh I'm not sure about
other kind of treatments during

785
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:19,440
operations.
>> I just wonder some some are using

786
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:24,799
animals and sometimes
>> uh in our uh so in the project in Kaboo

787
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:28,400
County we are starting a pilot sheep
raising program

788
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:34,400
um
there won't be sheep there until about 2

789
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:40,000
years after construction uh to allow for
the pollinators to grow. Um but we are

790
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:48,239
doing a sheep grazing program on about
160 acres there. This however does

791
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:53,120
require um land owner uh it requires
agreements land owners as well. So

792
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:58,480
there's layers to it where may not be
fully within our control.

793
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:02,880
How many I mean
>> how many sheep come? I have no idea.

794
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:06,799
Tiffany
could cause a snow problem

795
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,319
» if you have too many.
>> Quite possibly.

796
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:16,000
» How big is how big?
>> Excuse me. The room

797
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:21,839
county project. Yes, it's 150 megawatt.
Uh there's a total of 360 there.

798
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:26,400
» How many sheep would you have? that I do
not know how many sheep are needed, but

799
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:29,920
I hear the sheep crazy folks for solar
are doing really well these days and

800
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:33,759
they can't find enough of them.
>> The sheep or goats?

801
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:38,319
» Uh, I think she can't be. It's a certain
type of sheep.

802
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:43,560
I don't know the type itself
specifically,

803
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:43,560
» but yeah, it's like

804
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:53,319
cross from a sheep arm and it smells
horrible,

805
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:53,319
» especially

806
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,000
just
>> you said. So, you said there's going to

807
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:04,880
be something between you and the
landowners. Is that as far as them

808
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:07,280
taking care of these animals? No, who
would be doing all that stuff?

809
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:11,280
» There are certain provisions in the
lease that need to be changed to be able

810
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:15,920
to allow us to do it.
>> Um, so there's a component of this that

811
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:20,320
requires the land owners cooperation and
some land owners don't want it. Um, you

812
01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:23,199
know, for whatever reason that they
have. So

813
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,600
» that that's that's all I was kind of
trying to refer to as like there's

814
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:30,320
» no I'm just wondering who's going to
take care of these animals.

815
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:36,480
» Um, so there are companies um, so
there's actually a

816
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:40,880
uh solar grazing association. There's a
national one, but I believe there's also

817
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:47,040
one in Illinois, too. It's basically
just these um companies that have a lot

818
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:51,840
of sheep, and they will go from solar
site to site and put them out there for

819
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,880
I don't know how long it takes. I don't
know if it's like an 8 hour process or

820
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:58,159
if it's an 8 day long process.
>> Oh, so they just put them out there for

821
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:04,280
a few hours and then they take
>> I don't know. I don't know if it takes a

822
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:04,280
few hours or days. It's temporary.

823
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:07,679
» That's what I wanted.
>> And then they collect them and then just

824
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:14,719
take them to
>> Oh, okay. I got

825
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:20,280
» It's like a live bunch of live.
>> I did too.

826
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,280
» There's one of those

827
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:30,159
required fencing.
>> Um, it does also require panels.

828
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:35,600
It requires the piles to be taller. So
to the question of you know how tall are

829
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:40,080
the animals and files in a sheep grazing
scenario they would be taller. There

830
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:44,280
would be a load out
load out where they can crowd

831
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:52,800
they gra and they
>> interesting.

832
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:56,719
» There is
there is what they call a shepherd that

833
01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:01,084
is a shepherd that's supposed to be on
site

834
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:04,000
» and they going to play out poo poo.
[laughter]

835
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:09,600
» Serious. That's where their smell could
have come from.

836
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:13,840
» All right. So 22 uh noise level
>> for this one my recommendation would be

837
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:18,320
just to stop after the first two
sentences because the first sentence

838
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:23,199
says that uh regulated by the pollution
control board and the second sentence

839
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:29,840
requires testing before during and after
construction. Um the remainder of the

840
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:33,280
paragraph is the discusses standards
that are not consistent with the

841
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:36,719
Illinois Pollution Control Board rules
which are quite complicated.

842
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:47,239
I know for for example, sorry to
interrupt, but the Illinois Bush control

843
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:47,239
board rules don't apply to construction.

844
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:57,080
» Well, the mayor suggested maybe pile
drivers only be used from 8 to 3 because

845
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,080
they're extremely loud.

846
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:04,480
» Let me go back with that. That may be
possible if it's just members, but

847
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:07,480
» union too, right? So they're probably
off

848
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:35,120
» anything else on uh
>> uh not

849
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:35,120
» the only thing I had I know I read were

850
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:42,520
It was in relation to a wind farm, but
the noise dec

851
01:13:43,921 --> 01:13:49,679
[clears throat]
of people and this is more operational I

852
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:55,600
think at this point than it than it is
in during construction phase. So, um I

853
01:13:52,719 --> 01:14:01,120
think looking at some of that, uh along
with the the fence and the the other

854
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:05,440
stuff, we can we can assist with
keeping the noise level down to

855
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:09,760
40 or something.
>> Of course. And so, as as part of our

856
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:17,040
application, we'll submit a a noise
study. Um and so we similar to the glare

857
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:21,440
study, our goal is to mitigate any
excessive noise outside of the project

858
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:26,080
fence line. And for the noise levels to
be at normal levels

859
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:30,719
that you know if you're living on tilted
cap like whatever nighttime noise you're

860
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:35,159
getting you should be the same thing.
>> What about a sound barrier fence?

861
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:39,040
» What are they doing?
>> It's a thing.

862
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:45,040
» Well, I think the sound barrier wise be
more of a go back to wood, wouldn't it?

863
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:47,360
I mean versus a chain link or something.
>> I I don't know.

864
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:50,400
» They got I think they got along the
highways. off like the

865
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,280
» like sound barriers
>> or something.

866
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:56,000
» Yeah. Off of the homes close to the
highways.

867
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:01,520
» I see. And you know the big you know
with wind farms they have very big

868
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:05,760
turbines. They're always moving. So
there's a level of noise that those

869
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:11,360
create that solar doesn't really have.
Um I mean our projects will be using a

870
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:17,120
tracking system or the other projects
that we do use a tractor system that do

871
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:23,040
have movement from east to west. but
it's such a minuscule movement that it's

872
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:29,120
not a sound that you'd hear from the
road. Um, the main thing that makes

873
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:34,719
noise on the project are the inverters
and those are intentionally located as

874
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:39,280
central to the parcels as possible. So,
away from the roads and central to the

875
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:44,159
parcels. It's a key part of our
project's design to mitigate those.

876
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:48,719
And just to follow up on your question
about the decimal levels, the Illinois

877
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:56,719
blues control board regulations, there's
a table in the in the state code that

878
01:15:52,159 --> 01:16:00,000
lists the applicable decel numbers.
They're actually quite restricted

879
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:05,920
particularly at night. I think it's
around 41 42. The good news about solar

880
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:12,120
facility is that it doesn't produce
electricity at night. So it doesn't make

881
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,120
a lot of noise at night.

882
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:19,560
Yeah, I read one one of the articles and
stuff on it.

883
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:41,120
» Before I get to 24, I had one on 23 on
dust control. Um what's the

884
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:45,480
ideally what what kind of dust control
would you be doing?

885
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:53,280
» Uh I would like to speak in detail about
this. This is not something I know in

886
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:57,760
terms of like what practices are used
for dust control. What I can do is

887
01:16:55,920 --> 01:17:01,760
provide you with a dust plan that we
have for some other project like Gibson

888
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:05,920
City. I'm sure we have one that we can
take off the shelf. I was just it water

889
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:09,760
is it you know chemical
>> I know they do some watering I know that

890
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:15,600
mainly there's a lot of watering done
yes I do see that during construction

891
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:18,159
I want to speak more on it these guys
have any other methods that they use but

892
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:21,159
yeah
>> perfect

893
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,840
um

894
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,920
24

895
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:38,000
testing
So I've already said what before a

896
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:44,239
couple of times what I won't uh know
singling out issue but there are lots of

897
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:50,480
things that produce
um we're exposed to in this room right

898
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:55,600
now. Um I think that I will just say
that if you look at the um I guess I'll

899
01:17:53,760 --> 01:18:05,920
call them third party studies that look
at this issue um the setbacks from the

900
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:12,640
uh project should be sufficient to uh to
make make sure that EMF levels are u low

901
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:19,360
enough to where it's you know not any
different than surrounding areas. Uh, so

902
01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:23,679
I think if you're going I I think it's
unnecessary to require testing, but it's

903
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:29,360
also I would just say if you're going to
require testing that it's probably makes

904
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:35,199
more sense for them to test, you know,
outside the project uh where somebody

905
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:39,120
could be exposed.
And I don't know if that's the intention

906
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:44,800
or not from the I don't it's not clear
to me what the testing potentials mean.

907
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:49,159
Um, well, the mayor mentioned somebody
in his family has a pacemaker.

908
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:58,960
So, what if somebody with pacemaker gets
close to it, will they be affected?

909
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:03,920
» Not sure. But I mean, I I would think
that if they go inside the fence line,

910
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,640
which they shouldn't be, they may be.
>> Yeah.

911
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:10,719
outside the fence line they should be
safe because outside the fence line's

912
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:14,560
supposed to be
>> I think a good question it's a good

913
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:17,199
question because what if the MS is
responding and that person has a

914
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:21,120
pacemaker
>> for example what cause something

915
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:27,520
» right right
>> yeah and that's be a bad idea

916
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:32,159
for there's a a warning sign requirement
you're going to have to have signs

917
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:39,320
anyway so that's something that would
seem reasonable

918
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,320
I didn't think about that before.

919
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:50,159
» Ask a question.
>> Sure.

920
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:57,840
The mayor of community the farmer magnet
and this was wind turbines I believe at

921
01:19:54,080 --> 01:20:04,360
the story goes has a pacemaker
and the turbines

922
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,360
left

923
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:11,600
affected.
So,

924
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:18,000
how
you talk about somebody maker, whatever.

925
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:23,840
How do I make somebody old that is
affected by this? Because you can say,

926
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:29,760
well, it shouldn't affect you because
you're outside of the project or you

927
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:36,000
live so far away from it. But there are
some of us that are very susceptible to

928
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:42,000
sounds and lying energy and that kind of
stuff. For example, I could go in a

929
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:49,679
jewelry store and most people can't hear
their lights. I can hear their lights.

930
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:54,960
So, how do we make somebody whole that's
live in their home forever and never and

931
01:20:52,640 --> 01:21:01,199
maybe their well is affected or their
quality of life is affected because of

932
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:07,280
this energy wave, you know, energy.
And then I've read stories where you

933
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:11,520
have electricity flowing through the
ground. There's ground current that's

934
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:18,159
not supposed to be released and it's
affected livestock, people, etc., etc.

935
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:24,320
How do we make those people?
That's not right. Something like this to

936
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:27,640
come in and then disrupt my life or
somebody else.

937
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:38,080
So I've heard about this
stray voltage issue with livestock

938
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:43,120
before.
Um

939
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:47,280
this is
from back then when I was re when I

940
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:52,960
researched into this topic. This is a
problem of distribution level community

941
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:57,920
solar projects. It happens with
distribution level infrastructure near

942
01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:02,880
water sources.
Um

943
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:09,760
There is a University of Minnesota study
on this

944
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:15,440
topic. Um
that's with regards to the stray

945
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:20,080
voltage. I mean with the EMF topic, you
know, it's I think

946
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:24,920
for first we need to determine if there
is even an issue here. Um,

947
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:32,880
and you know, that's maybe something we
need to go back and look into in terms

948
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:37,679
of like EMF levels inside the fence
line. I think we're all kind of agreed

949
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:44,239
on the outside issue, but on the inside
issue, seems like we need to go back and

950
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:49,920
get some more data with regards to that.
So, collectively,

951
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:53,360
we can put something forth if needed or
or not.

952
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:57,360
So, is this the this first solar one
you're putting up? The first solar?

953
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:59,920
» It's the first time EMF has come up as
an issue.

954
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:05,600
» Is it? No. But I mean, is this the first
time it's ever been put in? I mean,

955
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:09,280
» is this is this the first solar one?
Because you guys had other solar farms

956
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:12,239
» for Yeah. No. So,
>> so what what have you had issues with

957
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:20,960
those?
>> No. No, not in this context.

958
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:26,320
» If I could add that. So, is set up as a
special use

959
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:31,679
um which I think is the intent. um one
of the standards will be that they have

960
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:35,120
to demonstrate that the use will not um
impede the uses on neighboring

961
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:41,600
properties.
And again, I think one of the things

962
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:46,400
they'll be prepared to submit is uh
evidence that from studies that show

963
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:51,040
that that once you get outside the fence
line, like I don't know what the number

964
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:59,239
of feet is, but uh that there's it's
really not the level of EMF is not uh

965
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:59,239
sufficient to affect human health.

966
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:08,920
» Well, electrical engineer
panels themselves are DC. There's not

967
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,920
enough

968
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:22,480
close.
But then I guess my question is once you

969
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:27,000
step back up on your transmission lines,
>> you get around those popping

970
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:33,159
there's
EMF there.

971
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:41,520
Um
not sure right now the voltage level of

972
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:49,520
the transmission line that we expect
here. I would assume it's

973
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:51,520
more than 69 less than or equal to 138
kilovs.

974
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:56,719
» Yeah.
>> Um

975
01:24:54,080 --> 01:25:04,719
» yes single monopole I would just expect
maybe 138. Um there I guess the question

976
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:09,199
like you know what's the what are what
are the requirements for other

977
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:14,679
transmission lines here you know what's
looked at there what's their process

978
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:20,249
on the rest of that
>> [snorts]

979
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:40,159
» working on 25 clean solos
panels.

980
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:48,560
Um, last time you guys mentioned storing
this stuff in a type of building. Um

981
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:53,040
what's the I mean what's your average
I'm I'm requesting that basically put

982
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:58,159
some sort of record keeping and time
frame on again because go back to the

983
01:25:55,760 --> 01:26:02,800
oil in in the garage type of thing and
I'm just picking up on some of the the

984
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:06,560
comments that were made but what what
were I what's the plan to do you store a

985
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:10,560
lot of stuff or do you get rid of it
right away or what's what's the thought

986
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:16,719
process behind some of this on say
broken panels or things like that.

987
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:21,760
» Sure. And I think so for our next
meeting, I could get a very detailed

988
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:26,080
breakdown of this. From what I know, you
know, we store certain numbers of

989
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:30,320
modules. Um we serve certain other
equipment

990
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:36,239
uh on site, at what level at which we
store, I'm not sure, right? I say 5% of

991
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:42,480
modules, is it 2% of the panels? You
know, that's what I'm not sure about.

992
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:48,639
But yes, we do have um extra equipment
stored to be replaced when needed. Um

993
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,639
» and what do you do with the damaged
ones?

994
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:58,239
» Do not know. Do not know. That's pretty
important.

995
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,159
» Five 10 damaged panels. You know,
>> we've had

996
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:03,920
» I will definitely look into that.
>> We've had storms around here. Maybe you

997
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:08,400
could talk to Ki.
What do you do better? I mean that would

998
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:11,360
be if I was in your position
>> and I didn't know

999
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,320
» that question I think I would be
questioning these people that's had

1000
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,800
damage and like
>> definitely

1001
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:23,120
» because that is a big thing that's a big
thing is what happens to these pandas

1002
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:30,800
we asked that same question September
5th 2025 at the library we didn't have

1003
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:34,480
an answer then still I'm just wondering
are you have you tried to train it

1004
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:39,520
almost
what I mean, have you tried to figure

1005
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:43,040
out game plan for that or how you were
going to do it? Because that's been

1006
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:46,880
seven months ago and
>> I'm sure you get that question at every

1007
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:52,000
meeting. You got to
>> it's it's so

1008
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:59,199
our first operating project is Gibson
City. Um, and that went into operations

1009
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:03,520
very recently. So, [clears throat]
when the question was asked months ago,

1010
01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:08,080
we definitely did not have that
information. I think now that that

1011
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:12,639
facility is operating and there's an
operations and maintenance plan in

1012
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:16,560
place, I can go back to that team now
and say and ask this question again and

1013
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:20,719
say, "Hey, what happens in this
scenario? What do you guys do

1014
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:25,520
» with this equipment?" I can definitely
do that and we will definitely have an

1015
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:29,600
answer whether it's a nice answer or
not, but I will come back with an answer

1016
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,880
on this.
>> Pretty hard. So, you may even have

1017
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:38,560
up there.
>> All right. Did you have damage up there?

1018
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:42,880
» Um, very slightly from what I hear.
>> They would have had to have some kind of

1019
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:46,320
» Yes, there's definitely a plan for this.
Yeah, I just want to get the right.

1020
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:50,800
» Is it actually the city actually
functioning and operating fully or is it

1021
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:56,000
still under construction?
>> It's construction is complete.

1022
01:28:54,320 --> 01:29:00,320
It's gone through the energization
process which is like when they're

1023
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:03,600
testing it out and everything and it's
going When is it physically feeding into

1024
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:06,719
the grid?
>> End of May.

1025
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:09,120
» End of May. Okay. So, it's close.
>> Yes.

1026
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:11,440
» But it hasn't actually got to that.
>> No, they're just they're testing it

1027
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:16,159
right now.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1028
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:20,480
I can say there's a lot less damage
panels now from hail and storm events

1029
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:25,760
because there's new SCADA software that
will uh ties into the National Weather

1030
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:29,760
Service and it actually takes the panels
and puts in the wrong direction. So

1031
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:36,239
hail's coming from this way hits the
back of the panel. No damage back. It's

1032
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:39,520
really just this year that technology
has come

1033
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:42,880
» and so there's less there's less stuff
to get rid of. So you're saying like

1034
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:46,719
Kinki didn't have that evidently?
>> Probably not

1035
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:53,360
» because that was a big mess there.
>> If you put a you put a project COD

1036
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:58,960
commercial operation date any time prior
to 20 this year it doesn't have that you

1037
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,639
can go back and retro it but
>> yours are going to have it.

1038
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:05,360
» So this one
>> this one will have it city has it. Um

1039
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:11,760
there's only really like two main
companies in the industry that are doing

1040
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:16,880
this in a in a in a very good way.
>> Yes.

1041
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:20,960
» They call this stoone leather sto and
this is actually becoming like a

1042
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:25,199
requirement for insurers at this point
that because it's

1043
01:30:23,679 --> 01:30:28,400
» reason I didn't know that was going to
put on this plan but I know is going to

1044
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:33,360
because otherwise you can't get
insurance and it's it's a negligible

1045
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:38,000
cost. is software.
>> What what size hailstone are those

1046
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:41,280
panels
with stand?

1047
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:44,480
» That's not an answer I know, but I can
definitely get you the answer.

1048
01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:48,639
» I can tell you PepsiCo, their
requirements

1049
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:52,000
were asking for like an inch and 3/4 and
there was no, this was 6 years ago

1050
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,800
probably.
>> Nobody made a panel that would meet

1051
01:30:53,679 --> 01:30:57,360
that.
>> They were trying to drive the industry

1052
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,679
standard up
>> to that

1053
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:07,120
» and and this happened to be a fixed
system that didn't rotate.

1054
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:09,280
So it not get hit as hard.
>> But

1055
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:18,360
» that's something you might want to look
at is put a minimum spec on

1056
01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:18,360
you know panels panel squeezed

1057
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:31,679
glass.
>> Yeah, that's correct. And we do source

1058
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:35,920
from what? tier one manufacturers. Um
you know you look at the tier one

1059
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:41,560
manufacturers
always looking for as much domestic

1060
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:51,040
approach um for the project in Koh's
county that's going to start

1061
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:57,040
construction in August.
That one is actually um at a higher

1062
01:31:54,719 --> 01:32:01,760
domestic content percentage uh than
Gibson City is for example. So I just

1063
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:08,159
use that as an example to say as the
industry continues to enable domestic

1064
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:12,480
manufacturing on different
layers of this supply chain, we are

1065
01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:17,920
constantly looking for more and more
domestic components here.

1066
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:23,040
» So where do you actually
>> uh the panels that we use in Gibson

1067
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:29,520
city? So, I'm going to say assembled in
the US. Um, you know, and by that, you

1068
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:35,679
know, the steel, the glass, that's all
US made. It's really the cells inside of

1069
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:39,600
the modules.
That's where a lot of the that's where

1070
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:42,880
there isn't a lot of domestic
manufacturing capacity.

1071
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:48,480
» Most of that comes from China, right?
>> Correct. Yes. Or or actually like um

1072
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,159
» Indonesia,
Taiwan,

1073
01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:55,040
» Vietnam,
>> Vietnam,

1074
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:59,600
» China. Yeah, it's like Vietnam,
Indonesia, Taiwan. Um

1075
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:02,560
» I can't remember if I asked you guys
this before, but do you have to follow

1076
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:06,000
the fiat?
>> Yes, of course.

1077
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,800
China.
>> That's why exactly

1078
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:12,800
» what what
>> that's why there's that's why China as

1079
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:15,280
well. Like that's another reason why
there's been times.

1080
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:19,280
» Okay.
>> But where are you where are you

1081
01:33:16,639 --> 01:33:23,440
expecting to get once for this project?
>> I mean it would it without like

1082
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:30,239
committing to it would be somewhere like
Indonesia, Taiwan,

1083
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:35,280
you know, India maybe, Vietnam.
Becky, you have

1084
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:43,120
» I have a question. Um what's going to
refer to when Apex

1085
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:50,239
has a lot of province in the state and
they at hearings will frequent well all

1086
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:54,320
the time say if a storm is coming the
national weather service tracks this if

1087
01:33:52,239 --> 01:34:00,880
they issue a storm warning they're going
to shut down those turbines

1088
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:06,560
there seems to be a disconnect however
because they never shut down their

1089
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:11,040
turbines so I'm hearing earth say well
we're going to you know be in contact

1090
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:15,199
with whatever the National Weather
Service,

1091
01:34:12,639 --> 01:34:22,000
but then what is the process and what is
the guarantee that you're actually going

1092
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:26,800
to act on that morning? Because we know
what some of these other women in energy

1093
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:29,800
companies, they're not acting on the
war.

1094
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:34,159
I think which is the way I understand
just this is one of those things I can

1095
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:40,159
make sure I understand what you're
saying but with the SCAD system it's a

1096
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:44,719
it's a program that will automatically
say hey there's a storm coming and we're

1097
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:49,600
going to rotate panels to the opposite
side to your

1098
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:54,719
» require human intervention to do that.
>> No no it's actually there's a do radar

1099
01:34:52,719 --> 01:35:00,320
that's set up it's not actually national
but it senses it itself and penalties

1100
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:04,800
for not doing it is you got a bunch of
flustered pants and your insurance

1101
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:08,080
companies saying I won't cover it. So I
know Apex very well. I don't know why

1102
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:12,080
they don't shut down the turbines but
earth is not building turbines and if

1103
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:16,800
they wouldn't do this it would be the
same thing as you leave your wife I left

1104
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:19,679
my wife's new car outside in the hail
storm. It would be silly for me because

1105
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:24,880
then she would tell me I got to go buy a
new car and that's the same thing. The

1106
01:35:21,679 --> 01:35:30,080
penalty would be pretty stiff um for not
doing it.

1107
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:34,760
Didn't you testify inex?
>> Nobody

1108
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,760
else.

1109
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,400
They were my customer at one point, but
I've never testified.

1110
01:35:45,071 --> 01:35:47,091
» [laughter]

1111
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:51,159
» transition on that.

1112
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:59,280
» Number 27,
uh, facility ownership and viability to

1113
01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:02,560
have access to property.
>> Yeah, I think, you know, we're

1114
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:06,880
absolutely okay with this. We would just
prefer that it has like a quarterly

1115
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:14,239
cadence or something like that rather
than, you know, hey, I want to come out

1116
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:20,320
there today. um you know so so our MC
team can plan for it and prepare and do

1117
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:25,120
all that. Um I mean I think you know if
if if the village is very adamant on it

1118
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:30,000
we could probably do
an order but I just I guess it's a bond

1119
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:33,360
request as well. I think the issue is
just one of notice like giving certain

1120
01:36:31,679 --> 01:36:36,960
notice so that
>> that it's a safety issue right they want

1121
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:41,679
to make sure that nobody
>> is injured but I got property I give

1122
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:44,960
24-hour notice hey I'm a beard tomorrow
>> right

1123
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:49,719
» 24 hours and I was staying up there was
a reason we needed

1124
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:49,719
» it would be yes

1125
01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:05,760
on
D29.

1126
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:11,280
It's not on the but you go to your
there's just a word miss there

1127
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:17,760
I think it's the very last it says
something about data shall be on a week

1128
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:22,000
weekly basis basis it just doesn't
provided or something

1129
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:26,880
» just got
>> can we I mean I think just weekly

1130
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:31,840
reporting of this might be a little did
we I don't know if we made any

1131
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:34,800
suggestions for this one before at the
moment.

1132
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:40,400
» I think monthly would be preferred, but
I'm not like, you know, stuck on that

1133
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:44,760
concept. I just think
>> sorry 29

1134
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,760
» process

1135
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:56,840
information data shall be blank

1136
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:11,320
» work together. Yeah.

1137
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:26,520
» Oh, I see. You're saying the reports on
a quarterly basis,

1138
01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:26,520
but the data inside has to be weekly.

1139
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:38,480
» The information shall be submitted. I
think you guys are supposed to provide

1140
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:43,520
» gather it weekly and then show it to us
quarterly.

1141
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:47,520
» Oh, got it. Okay. Yeah, I wrote reported
in that little blank area. So, I think

1142
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:52,480
it's gathered on weekly. So, we gather
the weekly data but reported on a

1143
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:56,600
quartis. Okay. Something just
>> Yeah. Yeah, that works.

1144
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:08,400
» Um, one thing I I read somewhere else
too that on these this would be under um

1145
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:13,360
road use and things u on the road repair
plan especially during construction and

1146
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:18,320
things of that nature is it uh you know
all the roads being used obviously

1147
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:22,960
taking a a toll with construction and
things so uh would you be against

1148
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:29,440
improving the road after everything's
done so if it's just to use example it's

1149
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:34,159
gravel now going to tar and chip it you
know when we're done is that potentially

1150
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:39,563
something How does that work?
>> So, generally, you know, we we have the

1151
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:43,920
transportation impact analysis done. Um
[clears throat]

1152
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:49,360
» the we we will actually start that
earlier on around the 30% design

1153
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:54,880
process, but we will continue to update
that as we get to our like issue for

1154
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:59,440
construction designs. We do that because
the contractors generally figure out

1155
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:03,679
more. they get closer to understanding
fully how many loads and at what weight

1156
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:08,800
is they're going to be moving as we get
closer as they advance the designs. Um

1157
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:14,400
so all that being said you know
generally the process that we go about

1158
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:19,360
it is road commissioners will assess
we'll use an outside consulting company

1159
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:23,520
generally we ask the road commissioner
if they have a preference of a company

1160
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:28,880
that we we should use for that work that
they use as well so that they trust um

1161
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:32,560
at which point you know we'll execute
the road use agreement and generally the

1162
01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:39,040
process with that is we will take video
footage and photo footage of the roads

1163
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:44,080
before our traffic activity has begun.
If there is any from the transportation

1164
01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:49,520
impact analysis, if there's any roads
that were identified as needing to be

1165
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:54,239
upgraded to carry that load, those will
that'll be a part of the preconstruction

1166
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:58,400
road work. So, we'll come in and and
we'll do whatever work we need to do on

1167
01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:04,000
the roads that we'll be using to handle
those loads. Uh and then of course we

1168
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:08,800
have during construction maintenance
requirements to keep the rooms in good

1169
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:15,679
condition and then afterwards we will
also have a post construction repair

1170
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:19,920
scope as well. Um to your question more
specifically

1171
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:27,159
there are certain scenarios where yes
we've kind of come in and created a

1172
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:27,159
better road than what we found before.

1173
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:35,639
» Um
We have letter F special use permit

1174
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:43,239
going to E.
>> This is the one about recycling.

1175
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:53,719
So, I mean on this one it's it's you
know it's

1176
01:41:55,440 --> 01:42:02,400
we don't want to
we don't know how we can enter into a

1177
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:08,719
recycling agreement for a job that's
going to be done 35 years from now. How

1178
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:17,040
do they even price that for us? How does
that even happen? Um that's the first

1179
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:24,000
questions. Um, now
are there solar module recyclers out

1180
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:28,400
there? Yes, there are. Were they there
10 years ago? Maybe you could find one

1181
01:42:26,639 --> 01:42:32,880
somewhere. Maybe in Arizona. There's a
few now. I mean, there's not like dozens

1182
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:37,679
of these companies anyway. There's some
out there. They are doing the recycling

1183
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:42,560
work. And you know there isn't really
many utility scale

1184
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:48,080
uh you know solar power plants that
haven't been recommissioned yet. Um so

1185
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:54,320
all that is to say that you know there
is this market it's starting to grow.

1186
01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:59,920
It's getting matured. A lot of the
equipment that is going to recycling in

1187
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:06,239
these modules it's you know glass steel
plastics. Um the main part is recycling

1188
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:11,760
the cell. That's that's the big issue
there. Um

1189
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:16,800
I mean I think
you know we could

1190
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:22,560
we could try to commit to some language
that you know doesn't tie us to having

1191
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:26,320
this before the SUV but you know that'll
that'll say like best efforts to do a

1192
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:30,480
recycling agreement close to
decommissioning.

1193
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:35,040
Um but yeah we just don't think it's
even possible to get this kind of

1194
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:38,159
agreement in place right now. So I guess
my question would be is then what about

1195
01:43:36,639 --> 01:43:42,800
with your recent gifts to city? Where
will those go?

1196
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:44,880
» So they I mean for you know
>> and that's only been a commission how

1197
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:48,480
long?
>> It's not even it's not even

1198
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:52,639
» Yeah. Exactly. So they wouldn't be able
to enter into that right now. Yeah.

1199
01:43:50,639 --> 01:43:56,480
» So I mean what if you don't have an
agreement or that's not been a proactive

1200
01:43:54,480 --> 01:44:00,560
thing that's been put in place. How do
you know where you're gonna I mean and

1201
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:05,679
what say that even if there's only
minimal or there's few what if it was

1202
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:09,679
the whole entire project?
>> What would that look like? I mean and

1203
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:13,440
you're now sitting here trying to figure
out where you're going to take this. I'm

1204
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:20,880
sure there's damage panels that were
construction that showed up damaged in

1205
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:23,679
wherever they were
cuz I was hearing the same thing that

1206
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:29,440
you had. You know, like you're saying,
hey, it's hard to hard to give the, you

1207
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:36,080
know, an estimate in in 35 years. It's
also hard for me to say, well, 35 years

1208
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:39,920
now it's your problem. You know, I I
want to make sure that we we have

1209
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:45,080
something in place. You know, if I'm not
here, I'm probably going to board in 35

1210
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:45,080
years.

1211
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:51,040
» I mean, you know, what I know about
these is that, you know, the

1212
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:57,600
manufacturers of the panels guarantee
still 82.5% efficiency after 35 years.

1213
01:44:55,440 --> 01:45:03,040
So, there is a secondary market for
these. Um, I mean, we, you know, what if

1214
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:07,119
there's a
what if there's a buyer in, I don't

1215
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:10,400
know, some some African country or
something that wants this project's

1216
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:15,040
panels in 35 years because of their
efficiency and why would we tie

1217
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:20,639
ourselves into a recycling group agreed
to 35 years before that? Um, I mean, I

1218
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:28,000
think [clears throat]
of course, yeah, you know, the invention

1219
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:33,119
is to get rid of the equipment in a
acceptable way, but we just don't see

1220
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:38,480
how we can contract recycling
specifically 35 years from now.

1221
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:43,600
» There could be some kind of use for it
as well. It's not like it has to be

1222
01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:47,360
recycled and you know thrown away.
>> Well, I think the biggest concern is you

1223
01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:53,040
guys have no answer for something was
damaged today. You don't have no answers

1224
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:55,440
on this stuff. is an answer I'm going to
get you next week because

1225
01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:58,880
» I hope so because this is like I don't
know how many meetings I've been at and

1226
01:45:56,719 --> 01:46:04,880
I've seen you guys never have an answer
because you

1227
01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:09,600
you rent a building out for a party. One
of the big things you're going to want

1228
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:12,320
to know is who's cleaning this stuff up.
>> You know what I'm saying? That's one

1229
01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:15,520
that's a big part of the project
>> and that's a part of the demission plan,

1230
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:19,920
right? Like that's what the
decommissioning plan decommission is

1231
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:23,920
for. I mean, if we're talking about
bleeding it up,

1232
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:28,719
» I'm talking about when there's damage,
>> what happens after it leaves is a

1233
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:32,960
different panels fail over time. You
have to they do every year they're going

1234
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:36,560
to do a fly drone. They'll tell you
which panels are put out, which ones

1235
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:39,520
aren't, and they'll be replacing panels
a few years down the road.

1236
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:44,480
» This isn't
>> that's without a hail storm or windtorm

1237
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:48,639
or tornado.
It's going to create a big mess. And

1238
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:52,639
that's our biggest thing is there's no
answers to if something happened today.

1239
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:56,719
» Well, that's what I was alluding to is
that you know you think storage building

1240
01:46:54,239 --> 01:47:02,400
somewhere and what's the plan to you
know it's it's hard to you don't have

1241
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:05,360
the answer for that. I know you're going
to get appreciate that and I look

1242
01:47:04,639 --> 01:47:08,639
forward to it.
>> It's almost like this project all you

1243
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:14,480
guys do is focus on getting them in and
getting them running. You don't you

1244
01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:18,679
don't focus on any of the effects of it.
That's what the problem is.

1245
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:29,600
» So 35 years my grandchildren will be in
their early to their 40s and families of

1246
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:36,880
their own.
What are we leaving for? That's the big

1247
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:42,400
question. What are we leaving for future
generations to have to clean up or deal

1248
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:48,400
with? It would be like anyone in this
room. If your parents when you did some

1249
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:57,360
big project that you inherited stuff you
inherit holding mass what are you doing

1250
01:47:53,679 --> 01:48:02,239
you don't have the money grand
but you and so I know they have

1251
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:08,480
decommissioning plans but I don't think
that's a guarantee so that is the big

1252
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:12,719
question I totally agree with what is
the end result that we can't see

1253
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:16,880
» you can't make
years. I mean, you got to have that to

1254
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:22,400
start day one.
You could have pastor day two when it's

1255
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:26,239
your foot up. Good to happen. Well, just
like you said with Gibson City, it's not

1256
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:30,719
even up in Indiana.
>> Yeah, absolutely. You don't know.

1257
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:34,880
There's no you can't say 35 years from
now is when the problem.

1258
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:36,880
» So, in respect to you mentioned that you
will get us. So, we'll look forward to

1259
01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:41,679
that.
>> Okay. Great.

1260
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:47,840
» Um
A couple things as far as I have before

1261
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:55,840
we jump to to K. Um, are any of the
employees that would be uh employed at

1262
01:48:52,080 --> 01:49:01,199
at Ethan Gibson say for for this matter
certified in fire training or

1263
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:04,639
on site at all times or anything? I know
some of the con conversation we had

1264
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:08,880
before and I I didn't get anything from
my fire chief as far as a report. So, I

1265
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:15,040
apologize for them not getting that and
having all the the information. Um but

1266
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:19,040
uh we talk about you know trying to get
on site and we're going to bring them to

1267
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:25,280
the fence for example stuff like that if
somebody's hurt or or anything. So what

1268
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:29,840
is your training or what is what's the
thought process behind all that?

1269
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:35,840
So
we

1270
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:42,239
do have a training program that happen.
It's not an earthrise specific program.

1271
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,239
Uh it's

1272
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:52,080
It's it's run by
this old fire chief somewhere up in

1273
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:56,800
Willow County area. I'm not quite sure,
but they do train oneweek trainings in

1274
01:49:54,560 --> 01:50:02,960
Florida for solar power plants
specifically.

1275
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:06,840
Um, so we do have that um that we can
look into as well.

1276
01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:14,480
What else do you want?
>> I mean, the application comes with an

1277
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:19,119
emergency response plan. Um that plan is
developed in coordination with local

1278
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:24,480
fire departments and police departments
so that um they are aware of what the

1279
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:29,360
project is and what sort of procedures
there are behind the project and even

1280
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:32,800
before then we will meet with fire
departments to explain the project and

1281
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:37,440
understand what sort of needs they have.
I know with Gibson City they said that

1282
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:41,199
they need specific types of extra
equipment to deal with fire safety and

1283
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:45,440
those are conversations we'll continue
to have so that they are well put to

1284
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:50,639
answer your question about whether
police will have that specific fire

1285
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:53,040
training they will not be like you know
they're not part of the local fire

1286
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:56,880
department or anything like that but
they will have the knowledge of the

1287
01:50:54,560 --> 01:51:03,360
emergency response plan um as well as
like basic first aid in order to like

1288
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:03,360
carry out their job appropriately.

1289
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:12,320
What if you say they have a full fire
department? What if the plan is when we

1290
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:19,440
all have volunteer fire departments and
there are no volunteer firemen

1291
01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:24,480
able to respond to a call? What is going
to be the protocol? How do we address

1292
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:29,440
this situation?
I think that's a along the lines of some

1293
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:36,080
of the questions I'm asking because in
all due respect to area departments uh

1294
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:41,440
is usually the the first ones on scene.
So, a lot of times when I I hear we've

1295
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:45,760
had conversations and things and like I
said, I have an internal problem not

1296
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:51,760
getting information, but as a board
member and and the resident of Tilton,

1297
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:55,920
I need to make sure things are in place
that, you know, our department is going

1298
01:51:53,520 --> 01:52:00,639
to be out there uh more than likely
first on scene even though it's somebody

1299
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:05,840
else's area. we mutilate the stuff all
the time and we're we're the first

1300
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:11,520
engine at many places uh because of our
our team. Um,

1301
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:18,040
so that's some of my concerns and just
so you understand where I'm coming from

1302
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:18,040
from some of the the questions

1303
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:28,000
» as far as uh I don't know in location as
far as with Gibson City or anything but

1304
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:32,159
any anything that you've looked at
before, but

1305
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:36,719
» as far as cemeteries and sacred places
and things of that nature, what's what's

1306
01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:41,760
the thought process behind there? You Do
you have anything? We've we've conducted

1307
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:46,320
um a lot of different environmental
studies, cultural being one of them that

1308
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:52,159
identifies cemeteries.
>> Some developers may choose to develop on

1309
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:56,480
top of things like wetlands, but earth
rises. Um what's unique about earth

1310
01:52:54,560 --> 01:53:01,440
rises, we go full avoidance. So full
avoidance of cemeteries and we set back

1311
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:06,960
from cemeteries. Um we completely avoid
developing on top of wetlands and we

1312
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:10,800
avoid areas of cements as well.
>> How far are your setbacks from

1313
01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:17,040
cemeteries normally?
>> Typically be about 50

1314
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:21,679
to 100
>> because we have a cemetery and about 15

1315
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:27,440
years ago our mayor went down there and
what was it about 100 ft away from the

1316
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:33,719
cemetery graves?
>> I'm grave.

1317
01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:33,719
» Yes. There's like two cemeters up there.

1318
01:53:39,679 --> 01:53:45,040
» And I mean this kind of borders our
cemetery.

1319
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:49,760
» Yeah, I know. I'm aware and I've run
into this situation unfortunately at

1320
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:55,003
least.
>> You did your grade?

1321
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:57,023
» No.
[laughter]

1322
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:02,918
All work stops for a really long time.
[laughter]

1323
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:19,040
» One thing I noticed that I've noticed
anyway when I went down 74 is the bald

1324
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:23,199
eagles. There's a couple real close. Um,
so I don't know if there's anything in

1325
01:54:21,599 --> 01:54:27,280
your plans or if you've already looked
at some of that if there's, you know,

1326
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:31,920
» we run a threat endangered species
report. Um, in addition, I know you've

1327
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:35,119
seen the footprint and include it's
adjacent to some areas that are

1328
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:40,320
forested. We are not intending on
cutting out any trees or destroying any

1329
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:44,480
existing habitat for this project.
>> No, there are

1330
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:52,159
» and there are procedures in place like
if a nest is stopped, etc.

1331
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:56,639
regulate the state level um require like
setbacks etc stop working in that area

1332
01:54:55,599 --> 01:55:03,520
that kind of thing
>> how far is a setback from an active nest

1333
01:54:59,599 --> 01:55:07,840
» that I do not know that's that's a
>> definitely a question that's a question

1334
01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:10,320
that could definitely be answered
>> next time for sure

1335
01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:12,880
» depends on the species
>> golden gold

1336
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:19,119
» or golden eagle either one
>> not correct

1337
01:55:14,639 --> 01:55:21,360
» there's also that protective bats That's
probably for

1338
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:25,280
» actually eagles
>> all of that is heavily regulated. They

1339
01:55:23,119 --> 01:55:27,199
have to go through US Fish and Wildlife
Service as well as DNR.

1340
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:30,480
» Sure.
>> I was just curious.

1341
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:36,000
» I understand that. I just want to know I
know I think on a turbine it might be a

1342
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:40,639
mile and a half unless they change that.
I was wondering on slower what the set

1343
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:45,119
is.
>> That would make sense I guess for a

1344
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:48,719
turbine
>> because the movement and everything.

1345
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:55,360
I know you me being by 74. Actually,
they're out there in the field all the

1346
01:55:53,679 --> 01:55:57,920
time. I mean, you know, quite often, so
I don't know if they're straight down

1347
01:55:57,119 --> 01:56:02,960
the road.
>> Yeah, they're out there, especially at

1348
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:06,239
the end of harvest. I mean, I know there
was probably and I probably got I've got

1349
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:11,800
a picture just not too long ago where I
took there was three or four, but

1350
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:11,800
they're in the field.

1351
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:19,760
U going on moving on to uh letter K,
special use permit

1352
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:22,800
drainage tile.
>> So just a couple issues on this one. I

1353
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:29,840
think I addressed it at the last
meeting. The first one is that there's a

1354
01:56:25,599 --> 01:56:34,960
requirement to um get approval from the
neighboring land owner under the

1355
01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:41,119
Illinois drainage code. If I want to put
in a new drain tile as a mutual drain,

1356
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:45,520
uh I mean I can if I have to, I can go
under under certain circumstances,

1357
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:51,440
there's statutory uh provisions that
allow me to go to court to uh require

1358
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:58,239
the neighbor to get to allow me to uh to
go over their property to uh to to drain

1359
01:56:55,040 --> 01:57:02,480
well. Uh so getting approvals I don't
think I I would just ask you to check

1360
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:06,000
and make sure that's consistent with the
element drainage script. The second

1361
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:13,520
issue that I think I addressed
previously was that um with in terms of

1362
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:17,760
repairing drain tile or um making sure
there are proper gradients during the

1363
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:24,080
operation of the facility. The AMA
allows for the project to reroute the

1364
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:28,400
drain tile around the out to the
perimeter perimeter of the project. The

1365
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:32,800
flow has to be maintained, right? The
existing flow has to be substantially

1366
01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:37,440
maintained, but it contemplates that
you're um that you may end up uh

1367
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:42,719
interfering with the existing drain tile
system. That's why the the drain it it

1368
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:49,119
it it contemplates that the the the
system would be redesigned so that it

1369
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:53,440
flows around the facility to accommodate
the existing flow. And so I just want to

1370
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:58,960
make sure that this provision doesn't
conflict with that um provision in the

1371
01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:03,360
game. So you're saying basically if if I
I have a field that runs straight

1372
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:07,679
through it, your AMA will tell you that
you can stop it on this part, run it

1373
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:10,960
around here and connect it to the other
side.

1374
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:16,000
» Yeah, in I mean yes, but most of the
time if you've got a main tile line,

1375
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:21,199
it'll stay it'll be avoided. Um they'll
keep a lane for it. Um, but for the

1376
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:26,560
laterals, you know, they'll, especially
if they're old and made of clay, they

1377
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:31,520
may uh just end up um making them
obsolete and design another tile system

1378
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:36,880
that goes around the perimeter of the
project. And again, if you read the the

1379
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:44,159
language in the AMA, it expressly allows
for that. And that's all I'm saying is

1380
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:48,880
let's not do something here that um that
interferes with the ability that the

1381
01:58:46,159 --> 01:58:53,760
what the what they aim on laps
>> doesn't have a tile of agricultural

1382
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:59,360
field
they run lap you know but they

1383
01:58:57,617 --> 01:59:03,199
[clears throat]
>> if I went in

1384
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:06,239
» well talk to the talk to the Illinois
Farm Bureau because they they drafted

1385
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:13,920
that language
>> if I went in on a main and or laterals

1386
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:21,599
with someone who put a project on their
property and my The vein or laterals

1387
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:27,840
that I helped pay for were damaged.
I would want them fixed yesterday. Plus,

1388
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:33,040
I would want them fixed by someone of my
chief, not by someone of that project's

1389
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:37,920
chief.
>> Under, as I said, has the flow has to be

1390
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:42,000
maintained under the Illinois drainage
code. The land owner or the project

1391
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:46,560
would have an obligation to maintain
that flow.

1392
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:52,679
And I speak from experience. I said
experience. He worked on a wind farm for

1393
01:59:48,639 --> 01:59:52,679
a while. When they

1394
01:59:52,880 --> 02:00:01,360
» just please let me finish. When they cut
the tiles

1395
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:07,119
and he had a fit, he was instructed you
are just to fill them in. That's why I

1396
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:11,920
made the point if my tiles were cut or
my names,

1397
02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:17,520
I would want a say so on and who was
repairing

1398
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:20,239
» and I think that's a lot of trust.
Go ahead.

1399
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:28,119
» All I'm asking is to make sure it's
consistent with what's allowed in the

1400
02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:28,119
name of because that's required by state

1401
02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:35,440
and it's and the solar Oh, and this is
what I want to say. The solar AMA

1402
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:40,000
language is different from the wind AMA
language. Again, the wind AA does not

1403
02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:45,679
allow it has to be repaired within I
think 14 days. The solar AMA allows

1404
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:51,599
gives an option to go around the
perimeter of the different parts of the

1405
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:55,760
» and how long do they have to have?
>> Again, it it gets at the end at the end

1406
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:59,840
of the day, there's a there's another
provision that covers deconstruction. I

1407
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:04,159
mean, I I would just encourage you to
read the the solar, but there's another

1408
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:08,480
provision that uh that covers
deconstruction that um requires repair,

1409
02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:11,199
etc.
>> Aren't you here to answer questions?

1410
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:14,639
» What's that?
>> That was a legal question she asked, I

1411
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:18,480
believe. And I thought that's what you
were here for instead of telling her to

1412
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:25,000
go read something.
Well,

1413
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:25,000
I mean you if you if you was not

1414
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:30,480
it would be it'll be repaired
immediately. Like I know the people that

1415
02:01:28,719 --> 02:01:34,400
I'm associated with nobody's going to
leave a dry towel and I don't think

1416
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:39,119
you'd have any problem putting in there
the ordinance

1417
02:01:36,159 --> 02:01:44,719
and you know solar solar does like solar
projects do like no issue with well

1418
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:50,719
drained site. um solar panels become
less efficient uh if there's pools of

1419
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:55,199
water under them. Um so it's in it's in
our best interest to to maximize our

1420
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:59,599
electricity production to maintain good
drainage on the site and you're required

1421
02:01:57,599 --> 02:02:04,480
to do that under the drainage code with
respect to your neighbors.

1422
02:02:02,639 --> 02:02:09,280
I think her question was just about how
fast are you going to prepare them

1423
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:13,599
» really fast again
>> and is that what's under I mean are we

1424
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:16,800
going to put that in here how long they
have to get them prepared

1425
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:20,880
» and I think part of part of it may be
coming from because it says in here in

1426
02:02:18,639 --> 02:02:24,639
part of your rebuttal uh to this is
saying allowing only 14 days for

1427
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:28,560
draining power is unnecessarily
emergency. So if you're going to say

1428
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:32,040
that that's probably what people are
asking for

1429
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:39,719
» 14 days immediate
>> but he says it's going to happen.

1430
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:48,080
Yeah.

1431
02:02:56,639 --> 02:03:01,159
Yeah, I think decommissioning.

1432
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:09,400
» It's on the next page.

1433
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:22,560
» So, How long is it going to take you to
install the field?

1434
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:28,239
» 12 to 18 months.
>> Okay. But you're saying that it's um it

1435
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:32,800
needs to take more time to take it down.
>> We're saying 6 months is not enough time

1436
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:38,239
or could not be enough time potentially
depending on which season of the year

1437
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:41,920
this work starts especially. And so
we're just asking that that be aligned

1438
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:46,560
with the agricultural impact mitigation
agreement to allow for 12 months.

1439
02:03:49,119 --> 02:03:56,000
related to construction season and the
rest of it to

1440
02:03:53,599 --> 02:04:00,880
» like if you start decommissioning in
April like today it'd be great start

1441
02:03:58,159 --> 02:04:04,520
decommissioning 6 weeks ago it was 30°
that's a little bit different

1442
02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:11,880
» I don't think be any decommissioning
going on between November and February

1443
02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:11,880
in central Illinois

1444
02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:14,880
weathering

1445
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:25,239
You said full installation could take 12
18 months from beginning to operation.

1446
02:04:22,239 --> 02:04:25,239
» Okay.

1447
02:04:29,199 --> 02:04:37,440
L5
additions to

1448
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:45,520
» um we would just request that the A+
requirement A minus um still

1449
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:51,040
in the same category as AM
defined it's just a lot it's a lot

1450
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:54,400
easier to find institutions to supply
that a

1451
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:58,239
» well I think that the main concern is we
need to know that you're established and

1452
02:04:55,920 --> 02:05:02,080
financially healthy enough for a 35 your
project.

1453
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:06,480
» Got it. Yeah. And I mean if if a you
know if a bond is preferred over a

1454
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:13,199
letter of credit like if that assurance
more so that could work I think we'd

1455
02:05:09,599 --> 02:05:17,440
prefer that here we prefer an A minus
for the bond rather than a plus.

1456
02:05:16,960 --> 02:05:22,320
» Okay.
>> And I also guess I look at it from if I

1457
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:27,840
got State Farm you know if I want to go
to A minus and get the J then you know

1458
02:05:24,960 --> 02:05:32,639
my coverage might not be as as good. So
I guess that's the put an analogy of

1459
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:38,159
where I was looking at the A+ rating 35
years from now you know whether you have

1460
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:42,320
it or you don't have it for example I
want to make sure that we've covered

1461
02:05:41,101 --> 02:05:46,000
[clears throat] I don't want to go to
the general

1462
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:50,880
» got
nice thing about the decommissioning

1463
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:55,920
plan is that there's enough metals on
the project that would more than cover

1464
02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:59,280
like the cost of decommissioning called
a construction project to just remove

1465
02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:03,119
the site make it look a farm ground
again that's more than paid for by the

1466
02:06:01,599 --> 02:06:09,119
steel the copper aluminum that's sitting
out there. So speaking from experience

1467
02:06:06,639 --> 02:06:15,280
um as the village if somebody said well
they were A+ today and then they went

1468
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:21,280
away and you know some folks in08 right
and they no longer exist you know AIG

1469
02:06:17,599 --> 02:06:26,239
barely survived the backup is you got a
boatload of metals out there that um

1470
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:29,599
» that you can't recycle.
>> Oh yeah you can recycle

1471
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:33,040
» maybe the poles and stuff. What are you
going to do with panels?

1472
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:37,040
» Well the panels aren't where the money's
at. money sitting.

1473
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:42,480
» I know what I'm saying is early years
when those would still be

1474
02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:45,840
» what I'm saying there's enough metals
there I could show you the math on just

1475
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:49,280
commodities I don't know what
commodities going to be in 35 years but

1476
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:55,440
there are a lot of things that AI
replace metal and copper aluminum aren't

1477
02:06:52,400 --> 02:07:00,719
on that list so there's a backup plan if
you will if the world goes to an end and

1478
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:04,320
the A+ insurance that you have today
goes to D minus tomorrow You got to back

1479
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:08,480
the plan.
>> You're saying all that will cover labor

1480
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:12,000
and the disposal of the panels?
>> Absolutely. I do the New York Minute.

1481
02:07:10,159 --> 02:07:16,159
I'm just telling every you give me the
plant, I'll take care of it. And I would

1482
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:24,400
tear the whole thing down myself. That's
what I did for 22 years.

1483
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:29,040
Lots of out there that are recyclable.
I know it gets confusing sometimes too

1484
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:33,360
when you know they're the landfills
consider the the panels and things dirty

1485
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:37,360
and you know too dirty for the landfill.
So, you know, it starts making you you

1486
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:41,440
think
>> that would be 30 years ago that's

1487
02:07:39,119 --> 02:07:46,880
inaccurate. The could have been
accurate, but in today's panels, there's

1488
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:51,119
there's not much in a panel that is
undesirable for a recycling effort.

1489
02:07:49,679 --> 02:07:56,000
Honestly, for him, because he's got an
easy recycling plan, but they're pretty

1490
02:07:54,079 --> 02:07:58,880
easy to recycle. There's not bad stuff
in them anymore.

1491
02:07:57,199 --> 02:08:02,639
» So, are you saying like the ones that
they're putting in our landfill will

1492
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:07,840
take them?
I don't think you put them in land. So

1493
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:11,280
they grab the gra aluminum and copper
out of them. Then you put the rest in

1494
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:14,480
the land the glass.
>> But will will our landfill take it?

1495
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:16,159
» I don't.
>> No,

1496
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:18,800
» that's what I said. I don't speak for
anybody's recycling. I just know that

1497
02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:23,360
there's not bad stuff in them and
they're recyclable.

1498
02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:26,560
» I knew the last the closest place was
Texas, but

1499
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:30,000
» you know, like he said, the scene has
grown over years, so there's more people

1500
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:32,960
I don't know. I mean, there's places in
Illinois.

1501
02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:38,159
» I do know that I I do know that there is
like this like wind turbine graveyard in

1502
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:42,239
Texas that they don't know what to do
with. I think it's because of the

1503
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:48,960
materials that those blades are made out
of. I mean, it's it is substantially

1504
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:48,960
different material wise, I would think.

1505
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:58,800
Um so yeah to to Chris's point like you
know again it's it's it's aluminum glass

1506
02:08:56,639 --> 02:09:03,440
um copper
right and then poly silicates. So that's

1507
02:09:01,119 --> 02:09:09,440
that's what our panels are comprised of.
We don't use any type panels you know

1508
02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:13,560
toxic legion
>> within the panels that we use.

1509
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:17,800
» Anything else on

1510
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:29,199
letter credit escro account.
>> Um I think our request here is that this

1511
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:35,520
be issued that we issue this prior to
building permit instead of at special

1512
02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:41,280
use permit. Um you know one good reason
for this is just simply design

1513
02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:46,800
advancement. Um generally, you know,
when we come to permitting entities, we

1514
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:53,280
will approach when we're around the 60%
design phase or maybe 30%.

1515
02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:58,800
Um as those designs advanced,
the numbers on the decommissioning gets

1516
02:09:56,320 --> 02:10:02,079
more and more accurate home data. So
when we come for the building permit,

1517
02:10:00,719 --> 02:10:06,800
that's when we have our issue for
construction designs. That is the

1518
02:10:03,679 --> 02:10:11,280
certain number. And so that's why we
just request that that be that become a

1519
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:15,119
requirement of the building permit.
>> So you would show that to us before we

1520
02:10:14,079 --> 02:10:20,880
issue the building permit.
>> Correct. The decommission plan. Yes. The

1521
02:10:17,599 --> 02:10:27,079
security asking for was to make sure we
saw before the permit was issued.

1522
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:27,079
Special use permit.

1523
02:10:27,679 --> 02:10:33,040
» So we are asking that it be not a part
of the special use permit but a part of

1524
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:36,960
the building permit.
>> Right. She want you want to make sure

1525
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:41,400
heating plan was before the building
permit.

1526
02:10:37,599 --> 02:10:41,400
» Okay, got it. Yes.

1527
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:50,480
» Um and then we just had one more. It's
the item M.

1528
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:56,880
» Y um we just request that the special
use permit be for 35 year term. Projects

1529
02:10:52,960 --> 02:11:02,159
are financed on 35 year terms. That's
kind of just like the baseline. The

1530
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:06,719
panels are guaranteed 35 year terms. So
it all kind of just ties into the 35

1531
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:12,159
year term.
>> How long is the lease with the land?

1532
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:16,880
» Uh those go up to 50.
>> What you currently have is

1533
02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:24,480
25 or 35?
>> It's 50 but it's not a base fix. So

1534
02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:30,480
» it's not a base though. It's
>> what is the initial lease?

1535
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:36,360
» Initial lease is 30 years with two year
ascensions.

1536
02:11:32,639 --> 02:11:36,360
30 years ahead.

1537
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:54,520
Happy to keep discussion.

1538
02:12:02,719 --> 02:12:06,320
» You want me to stand up or can I sit
here?

1539
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:11,119
» Sit there.
>> Okay. I'm confused and I've been

1540
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:15,199
confused
since before this started

1541
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:20,239
and then after hearing some of the
comments made, it didn't help my

1542
02:12:17,119 --> 02:12:25,920
confusion. I'm confused because I
thought Tilton for the betterment of

1543
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:33,119
Tilton was trying to improve their
ordinances to cover this is a new thing

1544
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:37,440
this huge industrial solar. So you're
looking at that you're looking at you

1545
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:41,760
know you have the covers coming in and
all that. you're looking at a broad

1546
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:50,480
scope of things
and yet I feel like sitting through this

1547
02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:55,840
it's more of let's see if we can tailor
our ordinances to meet Earthrise's

1548
02:12:54,000 --> 02:13:02,480
expectations.
Earthrise doesn't live in Tilton and I

1549
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:07,119
feel like you all represent the people
of Tilton. I think you're trying to do

1550
02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:09,840
the very best that you can for Tilt. we
are

1551
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:17,599
» and I understand their interest because
they want to become part of this

1552
02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:23,440
community in this area but I don't know
that it's I understand you all have to f

1553
02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:28,560
follow the law but I don't know that you
have to

1554
02:13:25,599 --> 02:13:32,159
how do I say this message necessarily do
what they instruct you to do

1555
02:13:30,742 --> 02:13:36,960
[clears throat] because you're trying to
represent solar maybe some community

1556
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:43,040
solar
maybe some warehouse. You're trying to

1557
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:49,119
look at the whole thing.
It keeps coming back to just Earth price

1558
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:55,119
in this industrial 1,400 acre solar
plot. So, that's why I'm a little

1559
02:13:52,079 --> 02:14:00,159
confused because I feel like you all do
have the right to set ordinances for

1560
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:05,199
your community. And since the laws
change and technology changes and

1561
02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:09,280
everything else, you're constantly
before the lawyer commented, "Well, you

1562
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:12,800
didn't have that before." No, because
this is a whole new thing. That's why

1563
02:14:11,119 --> 02:14:18,159
you didn't have it before. You're trying
to address that now. And I don't know,

1564
02:14:15,440 --> 02:14:22,800
I'm not the greatest at explaining how
what the point I'm trying to get across.

1565
02:14:20,159 --> 02:14:26,639
So, I hope you guys understand my
muddled the direction here.

1566
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:30,719
» So, let me let me try to summarize it.
what from what I understand what you're

1567
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:36,079
saying and I can understand that you
know it seems like at this point we're

1568
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:42,320
talking with earth representative on
some of their thought processes to what

1569
02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:46,079
we we had with an ordinance um and it's
it's not a scenario that we're here

1570
02:14:44,159 --> 02:14:50,560
trying to compromise with them or
anything else. It is new. We're trying

1571
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:55,199
to understand it. I'm I've learned so
much in the last few months uh with this

1572
02:14:53,760 --> 02:15:02,000
probably more than I even want to know
to be honest with you. Um but in order

1573
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:06,000
to protect and serve the citizens of
Tilton, I have to have these

1574
02:15:04,079 --> 02:15:10,960
conversations because it makes me
understand where not only where they're

1575
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:14,960
coming from, but also how does it affect
the village? How does it affect like

1576
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:18,400
we've talked about 35 years of
decommissioning? They have no idea.

1577
02:15:16,639 --> 02:15:22,880
they're six years old, seven years old
in in their in their process with the

1578
02:15:20,719 --> 02:15:28,400
company. I have no idea either, but we
share that that situation. He can't tell

1579
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:33,119
me and I can't tell you either. So, now
we have to get to a a point of the the

1580
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:36,719
risk management portion of it as you
used earlier of to try to make a

1581
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:43,040
decision.
>> Do they understand it's more to it to

1582
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:46,400
you guys than just making them happy? I
mean,

1583
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:49,280
» I'm sure I got to think. I mean, don't
I'm not sitting there trying to make

1584
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:52,480
anybody happy. I'm trying to understand
what I'm doing

1585
02:15:50,639 --> 02:15:57,920
» so I can make a decision, an informed
decision on something. Um, I do it at

1586
02:15:55,040 --> 02:16:00,880
work every day, you know, so I have to
make sure that I understand what I'm

1587
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:04,639
doing before I try to go fix it.
>> And I appreciate all the time you all

1588
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:07,199
effort you've put into this.
>> And I appreciate all the comments

1589
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:10,800
because it's more thing it creates
dialogue. Sometimes it gets going where

1590
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:14,719
you don't like to hear things like we
talked about earlier, but hearing it

1591
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:18,159
from Yeah. you know, somebody that's in
the field, for example, doing something

1592
02:16:16,639 --> 02:16:21,280
makes maybe a little bit more sense. And
same thing with, you know, you being an

1593
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:24,480
engineer telling us that the
transmission lines are hum, you know, it

1594
02:16:23,199 --> 02:16:27,520
makes a lot of sense to us because we
doesn't we don't know any different.

1595
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:34,399
» And we appreciate all you guys because
you guys have been dealing with this,

1596
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:40,000
Becky, and and you know, or in your
area. So, you guys have a lot more

1597
02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:42,639
knowledge than we do on this.
>> Yeah.

1598
02:16:40,479 --> 02:16:46,639
» So, to say that to to summarize that
whole thing. And so to sum to summarize

1599
02:16:44,319 --> 02:16:51,760
it up is that the point of these
meetings is not to okay you tell me what

1600
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:55,920
you don't like so I can make it right.
>> It's to try to understand where they're

1601
02:16:53,519 --> 02:17:01,040
coming from as well as everybody else.
So then when we try to make an informed

1602
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:05,800
decision on what's best for our town.
>> Okay.

1603
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:05,800
» So that's Thank you.

1604
02:17:06,639 --> 02:17:13,519
» Um anything else? And and if we had
another project that that was wanting to

1605
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:18,719
come out there, we would we might have
ordinances where for instance we have we

1606
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:20,639
have um issues that come up in town. We
have to make new ordinances,

1607
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:24,719
» right?
>> This is this is new. This is new. This

1608
02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:28,800
is why we have to have ordinances.
>> So yeah,

1609
02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:33,679
» so to compare this to what ordinances we
already have for other stuff or don't

1610
02:17:30,479 --> 02:17:39,679
have is not even
it's not something you can even do.

1611
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:43,599
Everything comes uniquely with risks,
benefits, allies.

1612
02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:46,639
» That's right.
>> With that being said, does anybody else

1613
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:50,559
have anything?
>> So, I want to appreciate, first of all,

1614
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:55,599
I want to thank you all for coming to to
have dialogue without any type of,

1615
02:17:53,920 --> 02:18:00,479
you know, no pun intended, but punches
being thrown. Um, it's nice to have

1616
02:17:58,719 --> 02:18:04,160
» it's nice to have that, you know, to be
able and I think ultimately that's what

1617
02:18:02,319 --> 02:18:08,399
we wanted tonight. So, I appreciate
that. looking forward to the other

1618
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:11,200
things that you had to bring back to the
table.

1619
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:15,559
» Yes. Do you know when the next meeting
will be?

1620
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:15,559
» I do not.

1621
02:18:18,319 --> 02:18:25,080
» Thank you.
Motion to

1622
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:25,080
» Oh, I have a motion to adjourn.

1623
02:18:25,519 --> 02:18:28,519
Yes.