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Good evening, everyone. It's now 530 p.m., I'll call for meeting to order and then that's how we all rise for a candidate.

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I'd like to re-conciliation and acknowledge that Timmins is situated in Treaty 9 territory, also known as the James Bay Treaty,

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led that steeped in the rich indigenous history of British nation,

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my touch-long first nation, and flying post-first nation. There are many first nation-made T. and in-away people

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from a cross-triod a lie that live and work in Timmins today.

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Indigenous peoples have survived and thrived on these lands prior to colonization for time immoral.

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As we gather tonight to discuss and make decisions, that will impact our residents.

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Let us remember the past, consider its truths, and ensure we're always moving forward in a better way for all.

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Me, which, please sit.

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The next item on the agenda here is declaration of security interests in the general nature of.

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What are the words that you've received beforehand, are there any to be declared now?

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Point of order, I'd like to add an item under presentations.

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Okay, I'm going to ask that we get through the declaration of security interests this item before we go on to that.

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As I was asking, are there any to be declared now?

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Okay, C-9, we can go on with the agenda,

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a point of order was raised to add an item to the agenda.

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It should be understood that to add an item

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to the agenda this evening, it would require two

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thirds of majority, Councillor Gastonovich

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had invited you to bring forward your motion.

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Yeah, just to have a brief discussion on the winter,

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how rough it's been and what's the head?

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Just to brief discussion amongst members.

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So, I'll need two thirds to have that discussion.

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Okay, discussion without any information or data.

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Yeah, I think it's about time.

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The motion to add a discussion item about the winter.

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What's happened in the forest, I believe?

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And what's to come?

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Q, do we have a mover for that?

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A secondary, sorry, is what I meant.

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Councilor Curley in all in favor.

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Okay, the items been added, that'll be added to the end of our presentation and reports

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I imagine, since we don't have this section of the agenda for discussions, and so this

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will be opportunity to present the item.

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That addressed, let's go on to item 5A, please.

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So that is a presentation on the Golden Manor redevelopment, our 2025 Q4 updates.

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We have Q1 as well, and for that we have our consultants in here, Mr. Simon Grash from

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B-T-I. Welcome again Mr. Branch, and when you're ready, the floor is yours.

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Good evening.

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Glad to be back. So, I'm bringing the March 2026 update on the Google

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Manor Read Development Project.

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A quick snapshot status update, a project is tracking on budget,

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87% completion, currently scheduled for building turnover this September. Major

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activities including the building envelope, continue,

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mental-cladding along the outside. Inside the building we're

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continuing with our fit-outs and our iCAT, which is information communication,

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automation technology, those works are also progressing throughout the

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building. In terms of our ministry approvals, we are planning to make a

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submission shortly to the ministry.

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I think we, no, sorry, here we have a

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table, which I would like to show. Draw your attention as usual to the far-right column. Show

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in the variance. We're showing projected zero variance, which means we're tracking right

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to budget.

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Point of note with the construction management contract with L's Dawn. We are

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converting that to guaranteed maximum price. Understand this was, well, this has already

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been approved. Of course, just a quick recap, all risks that were previously shared were

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relating to scope, gap, delay, acceleration, or cost of work. There's now been transferred

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over to Ellis Don, like carrying all of that risk now moving forward. We're only carrying

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the contingency. We have for changes to scope, so any changes that are issued at this

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point will have a lot to carry a little small contingency for ourselves. It has been factored

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to the in the financial table I just showed you before, so we've accounted for

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I'm going risk to the project previously, the furniture, fixtures and equipment procurements,

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delay in procuring and delivering those and their potential to impact all project works downstream

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of there.

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At this point we have procured all the critical packages, large ones, furniture, all the TVs,

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AV equipment that's getting delivered to be installed.

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There's only one or two elements still to yet for purchase wars to be issued.

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So we've really mitigated this down to as much as you can without having the very last of it.

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Approaches, there are some items that will be done with credit card, close to the actual move in date or hand over date, I should say.

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Another risk we have is the Ministry approvals. We need them to issue the license for us to relocate residents into the new building.

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We are carrying a six week contingency if you like, for the amount of time for the Ministry to come to site, perform their inspection.

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And then for us to do any kind of follow-up for what we're anticipating to be some minor deficiencies, perhaps, that need to be addressed.

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Other risks that we've mentioned before, tariffs to construction materials.

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I have to tell you that all the steel and aluminum based materials have been delivered to sites.

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There's been no issue, or yeah, no issue with tariffs noted.

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So that's been taken care of. We can close this risk.

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Likewise, we are also anticipating possibly a similar impact to the furniture and fixed

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your equipment purchases.

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As I just explained, we've gone through most of the packages that almost all done that

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have been issued with no flagged issues that all impacts, I should say, throughout the entire

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process.

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So we're comfortable closing this risk as well.

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Critical decisions, none to be held this time.

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critical milestones may is going to be important month where we're going to fit out a lot

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of the mechanical completion in the, I'm sorry, complete a lot of the mechanical

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fit out throughout the building and as well as the ICAT and electrical rooms as well

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so that means that our building systems and commissioning can then start so that's all

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going to happen in May with the first element finishing in early May and the second

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at Stardian Lake May.

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And then in terms of highlights we have to date the Jade Park in

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Lot, as handed over to the city last year, late last year, we do have a couple landscaping

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deficiencies that we just need to be rectified the spring, just technically now, but I mean

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when the snow has melted away. So, well, wait for that. Building construction, we got a drone

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shot here of the building from the existing gold menors vantage point and you can see from

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right to left the north wing our cladding works continues. I mentioned earlier finishes are

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our progressing quite well throughout that portion of the building the center wing exterior works

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are completely done and we're doing our wall closing within the building so the interior walls

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steel studs have been set up. We've run all the electrical mechanical elements throughout the walls

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and now we're closing those in with a dry wall and insulation. And then south wing we're

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have the cladding as well that's commenced on the exterior and within the inside we are progressing

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with our paint priming. So going quite well throughout the building. Here's some more photos.

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little dark on this take but we have the fire suppression system shown to be installed here

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in this photo.

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This one is showing the corridors so you can see the level of finish with the

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paints happening throughout all the way down the corridor.

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This is one of the electrical rooms

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with the main electrical room. I should say we've got quite a large piece of equipment there

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on big gray box on the fire right corner and then you can see all the spools of wire

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hundreds of meters of wire that is run throughout the building.

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Exterior now we're showing the ribbox here. This is the building's exterior

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transformer. So that's been installed.

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The semi-private resident room entrance

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through several features here. You can see the track for the acoustic ceiling

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tiles at the very top. It's now been put in place. We have two cuts into the

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well with wires hanging from the top there that will be the nurse call system, the dome

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lights which get installed over the respective residence rooms. And then to the right and

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laughter either side the entrance we have a mill work cabinet with glass and this is both the

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glass components of memory box which holds elements of the residence life held there and the

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rest of the mill work acts as a cabinetry for personal protection equipment. So it's things like

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dressing gowns and gloves,

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just detailing some of the major cable that gets the

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run through this building and the aptly-nade cable tray. So that's well

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underway as you can see here. This photo is Evans up.

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hand hygiene sinks which are located along the corridors. You're now getting

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installed throughout the building.

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Shot showing the service lines that now

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completely wrapped in insulation covered with protective layer that even have the

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direction labels and identifying their services and their flow direction as

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well. So that work is completely done and then we can see the acoustic ceiling

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tile track is getting installed underneath. So it's getting ready for that to be

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completed. Mill work getting installed throughout the building.

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ceiling or lift tracks, I should say, there's stalled along the ceilings for the patient

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lift system.

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This one here is taken from the perspective of the patient's room.

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They run over the residents room, sorry.

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They run over the residents bed and then out through into the washrooms.

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So this is the track you've seen continue through into that space.

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So you can see we had to cut the frames to allow that to happen.

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That's an intended feature, obviously, to make it work.

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Those are all highlights.

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Thank you. It's nice to see things progressing. I'll open the floor

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for any questions for Mr. Branch on his presentation. Go ahead, Councillor Filman.

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Thank you,

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orship, through you. A couple of questions regarding the conversion from construction management

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to guarantee maximum price. So I think if I'm correct, we went from originally fixed price

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to construction management, we're back to a maximum price.

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But I'm not really clear on the third bullet point

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that states the owner carries contingency for changing.

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Because when did that go back on the fixed cost contract?

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So what happens is the construction managers

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has to put a firm cost for what they think

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it's going to be to build what they have today.

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If you change that, let's say you add some new rooms

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or features to the building, that needs

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be compensated separately. They wouldn't be able to forecast that into the guaranteed maximum price.

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Okay, that's a good clarification, but anything else as far as extras from subcontractors

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and so on will be captured by...

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By the fixed, when I say extras to the existing footprint and existing layouts and so on, there won't be extras along those.

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That's correct. And I noted there. You'll see the specific buckets of risks, the scope gap elements, cost of work, delay, celebrations, those extras, they are all covered in the GMP.

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And just to follow up question, so what prompted this conversion at this stage of the project?

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As you get further along and you have less to finish,

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you can grab a certain greater level of certainty into terms of putting a firmer price on it.

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So it was just a piece that developed along that we wanted to have a firm final price to present to you as what we believe the cost would be.

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as opposed to sharing the risk of reward as we've been doing up until that point.

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Okay, thank you and just one last question. Does this guaranteed maximum price stay within

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the budget that was set earlier? Yeah, that's right. I showed a table up previously and it showed

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all the costs and variance of zero and that that table doesn't incorporate the guaranteed

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maximum price. That's the latest. So yeah, absolutely. Okay. Thank you. Who's your

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mic questions?

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Thank you. Are there any other questions from Mr. Branch?

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Well, thank you very much.

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If you'd like to see on schedule on budget. So let's keep that up and we would forward to

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seeing the next update, which will bring us how much closer to completion. Excellent. Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Next item on our agenda here is item 5b. This is a presentation on a new

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higher hall locations for information purposes.

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This will be presented by consultants, Ryan Stitt,

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in Brandon, Florida, Luzzi, from Solter, Pylen,

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I'm realizing, as I've read that, Solter, P-10.

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Welcome, and the floor is yours when it's ready.

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Excellent.

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Well, thanks everybody for allowing us to speak today.

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We are new in front of Council,

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so we'll give a quick introduction to ourselves

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and then we'll get rid of the presentation.

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So we are Solter, Pylen Architecture.

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My name is Ryan Stitt. I'm the president of Salt Peeler Architecture and we do a vast amount of work in the public sector

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but specifically with interest in first responder facilities being fire paramedics and police.

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And we're very excited to be involved in this new project for Tim and Sears.

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Well, let it, Brandon, introduce himself as well here.

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Yeah, perfect. Thank you. I'm Brandon Bordelitz. I'm an associate at Salt Peeler and Project Architect.

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I'll be the one leading this project for its lifespan from our offices side of things and again,

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over my career, my focus has been primarily on fire facilities across six or seven different

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municipalities across the province and, you know, three or four others on going as well.

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So, keen area of our focus as we kind of help develop the vision for Tim and his new main fire

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hall.

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Yeah, it's a very quickly today, our agenda, we're going to talk about the programming of the

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talk about the site evaluation that we've gone through, look at the recommendations for site

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selection and then have a bit of an open discussion at the end we would assume as well.

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So as Ryan alluded to there, we have three main pieces for the conversation today. The first

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piece is programming. This is over viewing the existing facilities for Tim and Fire current

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needs that are not met by those facilities. Future growth potential and improvements to service

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delivery. This is done not in terms of a finalized design, but rather to give us an overall

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program to allow us to move to Stage 2, which is a test fit. This is reviewing that program

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against two sites that have been identified by City staff for review. We've done a preliminary

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evaluation of how that building program fits on that site as well as other constraints with

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those two properties, including review of future growth potential and review of zoning and regulatory

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constraints with those. And then based on that, we've developed some pros and cons of each location

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and provide a recommendation for next steps

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based on that evaluation of the two properties.

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So we'll start out with the programming and schematic elements.

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There are three, again, pieces that we

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reviewed during this phase with the Timmins Fire Group,

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as well as city staff.

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Starting off with the requirements for the building,

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we had initial discussions reviewing existing facilities

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with the chief deputy and members of staff.

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Identified current stressors in the existing facilities,

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as well as areas of best practice from other municipalities

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is that we've worked with and we've reviewed across the province for integration into a new

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facility. We've also reviewed the needs of fire service today, but also in a forward-looking

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manner for where the service looks to be as it grows in the coming years, identified items

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to improve level of service delivery by Timons Fire and looked at emergency operations facilities

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for emergency management and future growth as a regional emergency management Ontario hub for the

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building. These pieces of the program were then looked at from an organizational

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perspective. Key operational silos were reviewed, again, in a way to allow the best

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service delivery of the building. A review of shared versus private spaces throughout

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the facility, looking at administrative function, fire suppression, and decontamination,

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health and safety functions. And then these were all right-size for the needs of

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to men's fire, again, looking at future needs as well as industry standards, spaces are

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sized to be comfortable and functional while maintaining an overall efficiency of the

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building size and development.

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So as noted, those program areas were divided into four key zones.

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These are color coded to reference to a floor plan that's a couple slides ahead in the

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presentation.

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The administrative function includes office space for senior leadership, fire prevention,

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training divisions as well as training larger training spaces to hold training exercises

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and classes.

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There's additional meeting and support space, public facing space for interaction with the

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public and other city staff and officials as well as a area for display of historic memorabilia

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and cultural artifacts from the Tumans Fire Service.

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There's emergency operations facilities included for future emergency management and regional

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and space allocated for timins volunteer firefighters, both office and kind of close cruise space on that side of things.

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On the suppression side, it mimics much of the other fire stations across the province.

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Crewquarters provided for active duty firefighters, including dorms, kitchen and work areas,

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an apparatus garage with a storage of maintenance of fire vehicles and storage and support spaces for equipment maintenance and response readiness.

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And then the third piece of the key programming there is the decontamination space. So this is separate space allocated for the health and safety of firefighters. It's space dedicated to the washing and decontamination of gear, including the trucks themselves, the apparatus, to minimize the negative impacts of toxins on long-term health care for firefighters.

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protocols in this area are growing, and the version of this put forward is kind of the current

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best foot forward approach that's being used across the province. In fact, it does, you

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know, go above and beyond to meet some of the health and safety needs that are coming up in the future

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across the province as well.

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And then there's the additional outdoor spaces that are required for the program, and these aren't

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necessarily identified on the floor plans, but includes crew patio space, a firefighter

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on site and future growth areas for outdoor training grounds.

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The numbers on this side are a little small,

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so I apologize for that,

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but we've put some kind of key bullet points here.

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Those four key program areas, like I said,

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we right-sized these comparing to current facilities,

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other municipalities across the province,

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and kind of functional needs.

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We've included a 25% gross up factor

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for unforeseen pieces of the program that may come up,

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but as well as services, building structure, et cetera.

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And this got us to a total expected gross footprint

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about a 40,000 square foot facility that includes both garage spaces, both the decompamination

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and the response garage.

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We then took those and put them into a preliminary schematic floor plan to show that

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organization, again, of the admin area towards the front of the facility to allow that public

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interface crew areas towards the rear adjacent directly to their response zone for the vehicles

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and the decontamination area to the top of that page north here to allow equipment and

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to be decontaminated on the one side and then brought round into the response side after they've been cleaned effectively.

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And going through this exercise, we're able to find some efficiencies in the layout of those spaces to come up with a footprint of this currently sitting around 36,000 square feet.

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Having that footprint allowed us to then move into the location review and evaluation of test fitting for sites.

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So looking at the location, the fit and regulatory requirements.

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again, the location needs to serve the needs of the fire department, response times, access

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to main roads, congestion, traffic maneuverability, fit relates to how well the proposed

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footprint sits on the site, is there ample space for the programming pieces required, both

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in the building and on site, and then obviously from a regulatory perspective, there is zoning

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requirements, external authorities, conservation authorities, and then services as well that

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have been reviewed at a preliminary level. So we were tasked with reviewing two sites

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identified by city staff, the first one is on Algonquin between Cedar and Balsam, currently

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a parking lot. The second one is along Highway 655, so we'll jump into each of those one by

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one here. So first site A, this is the in town parking lot site on Algonquin. The identified

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property is an ideal location in terms of central location in the core of the city,

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loss flexibility in response direction due to a banquet being right there. However, there are concerns

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with the tightness of this area allowing the circulation of apparatus vehicles in and out of the site.

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And when we jump to the one of the next couple slides, we'll see that with the building footprint

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sitting on there, that concern gets further increased because allowing vehicles to pull out of these

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garages and make the turns that these intersections is currently not feasible with how close we

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So the ideal building footprint, as I identified previously, is not a suitable fit for this

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property.

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It sits very close to property lines, restricting potential for some of those outdoor

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spaces noted.

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In a key manner, we would not be able to have any of the outdoor spaces aside from the

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vehicle aprons that we mentioned, as well as no potential for on-site parking.

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The footprint also encroaches into the site boundaries of non-city owned properties and

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existing businesses around that piece of property.

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And the property, in addition, has significant grade change towards the intersection of

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Algonquin and Balsam, meaning that fire vehicles responding out that way would likely

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have to contend with driveways that have significant sloping and or have been supplemented

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with retaining structures that may prevent the flow of those vehicles.

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And obviously, because of all this, the site does not allow for future growth potential as

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From a regulatory perspective, however this site would be a great fit, there's no limits

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on lock coverage setback or building height in this zone, so there is flexibility within

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the building form.

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However, looking at just the size of the garage space alone, even if we were to manipulate the

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administrative quarters by going into a multi-story scenario, we would still be encroaching

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on those neighboring properties, the garage space themselves, take up the entirety of the

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is currently sitting on property.

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These items do not also resolve any future growth potential

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for both the facility itself,

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as well as potential future training facilities

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that fire as identified.

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So site B is a location along Highway 655.

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The identified property is again noted

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as being beneficial while not right in the central core.

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It does allow response times to a different set of areas

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with some efficiency using both the highway

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and then it's close proximity to Algonquin for that response.

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It also allows for is an advantageous location for the future growth of the city,

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and presents the opportunity to consolidate with the Schumacher volunteer fire station

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to create a composite station with state-of-the-art facilities,

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so that a larger contingent of firefighting within the city

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of Timons can be carried out to a state-of-the-art equipment and facilities.

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The building fit on this property is no concern.

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It is a much larger property than even what we're showing here is an allocated use.

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There's sufficient lands for the building parking, fire vehicle circulation,

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as well as some of the other onsite amenities we noted,

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and expansion for future onsite firefighter training grounds.

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The one concern with the building fit on this site is obviously

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how close we would have to have driveways together,

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However, preliminary conversations with the MTO have been held

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to allow two driveway locations along the highway.

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Granted one is only used for emergency vehicle egress,

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which the main fire vehicle apron would be.

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From a regulatory perspective,

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nothing of great concern in the building form itself.

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That said, it is zone currently as a hazard zone.

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We do know that there are some poor sub-service conditions

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including tailings.

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preliminary discussions have been held with our team and with external groups as well to

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look at alternative options to either rehabilitate and or find alternative structural responses

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to deal with those conditions without incurring exorbitant cost. These conversations are ongoing

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and will continue as we move into the next phases of the project.

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So based on this and in summary

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We recommend that based on the content of this presentation and the due diligence to date,

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that there's an endorsement of a decision to proceed with the further work on the site.

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Education on Highway 655, to allow the project to proceed into a design development and detailed design stage. This will allow for further updates on costing, more detailed design of the building and site works, engagement of other engineering groups to do some further investigation on some of the conditions discussed in today's presentation.

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And the key factors for this recommendation for the Highway 655 site are the site fit, the amalgamation of Schumacher station, potential for future growth and expansion.

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access and flow of emergency vehicles the opportunity for onsite modern training grounds and the

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opportunities for onsite stormwater management.

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And we'd like to open it up for any questions

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of discussion. Thank you for the work done so far on this and for the presentations. We'll open

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it up for discussion. Go ahead, Councillor Gistana. Just a quick question. I see you alone to the fact

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that without, if you put it on 655, you'll be able to amalgamate

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with the Schumacher station, if we, I don't like to 655 site, personally.

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If we don't proceed, there's still going to be a Schumacher station, correct?

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We don't expect to hear what's in the corporation.

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Yeah, through your wish, by defer this to the chief for the comment on that item.

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Chief?

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Thank you.

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to be as a counselor. If we don't go to that location, that we aren't going to be in any

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where in the vicinity of Jamaica, we wouldn't be amalgamating out of the stations.

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Okay. So then what I'd like to see then is to look at me for myself personally,

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is to look at other sites. I don't find that site to be adequate. Thank you.

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Do you want to count to currently?

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Thank you. I have a couple of questions.

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First of all, I'll start off with thank you for

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presentations, they need some drawings or anything else.

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The President's site that we have, the existing fair hall, would that not the land there

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not be sufficient for an expansion or, I mean, you're fully aligned there.

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So is that a possibility of even looked at a possible expansion or not at the top?

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If I have a couple of questions, if we want to do one at a time, if we can?

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We did look at that site so that site does seem to be large in scale when you look at it.

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But in fact it's quite smaller than the other downtown site that we're looking at as well right now.

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The way the building situated right now is there's no back entrance into that building.

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So the facility that we're providing in the schematic plans right now is a dry through station,

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which allows the fire vehicles to enter from the back of the station and exit from the front of the station,

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which is the safest way to approach any fire facility.

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Because it is backing on to the future home property,

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there is no access to the back of that property

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for fire vehicles.

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So we limit that portion of it as well.

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If we were to build a building on that site,

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it would take up the existing footprint of the building

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and the footprint of the current parking lot as well.

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And we would end up with no parking on that property as well.

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So there's a few high-level items that we looked at

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Brennan, if you want to expand on those, that put us into a limitation of why we be looking

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at a suitable fit on the existing site to itself.

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Yeah, I think in addition to that, there was a stated goal in working with the Fire Department

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to provide a single story facility, which is in addition to the drive-through base, also the best

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practice for Fire Facilities across the province, it allows for safer response for active

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duty firefighters responding to a call not having to traverse stairs in an emergency or

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rush situation.

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It's the way that most departments across the province have moved towards and there would

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not be an opportunity to fit a single single story facility with all the needs of this

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station, including the decontamination procedures on that site.

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Because the decontamination procedures are garage space that we're showing currently is already

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larger than that existing building is on its own.

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We then are adding two additional bays for the decontamination garage and would still need

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find space to host the administrative functions.

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OK, thank you.

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I just wanted to hear if you had looked at it itself.

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I know the laneway in the back and the funeral home, obviously it's pretty hard to

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go there and what else you could possibly do there.

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So, thank you for that one.

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The other one was I guess the site conditions, the ground conditions on 655, we think you

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which is a little bit on that one.

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Soil samples, because we did do some, not taking years ago,

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and it's not the best soil to have anything constructed on,

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because I think if we did look at,

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or possible,

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recreational facility there.

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So, obviously, are you taking an information that we presently have

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and reviewing it and further tests will have to be done?

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Yeah, through your worship. That's correct. So on that property,

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where we're looking to place the fire station is not exactly where the proposed location for the

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rec center was. Now, the soils are similar in condition across that whole area there. We do

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know that there's tailings, but we do know that there's beb rock as well below those tailings.

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So we have taken the time to have considerations on what type of ground improvements would be

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necessary on that property, whether it be, you know, micro piles,

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helical piles, ram dagger appears.

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There are different systems that allow us to build on that property.

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So we don't have that much concern for what's there.

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Yes, additional testing will have to be taken.

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When a site doesn't have a purpose built, our purpose design facility,

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we don't necessarily know when a geotech consultant goes in there,

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what they're looking to design for in the future.

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So as we propose what the footprint of the building looks like

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further sampling would be done at the footprint of the building, but also in the drive

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aisles, the parking lots, so that we have those soil conditions so that our civil and

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our structural teams can develop the design to work alongside that as well. In saying that

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the downtown property, we would have the same situation. We'd be doing testing on that property

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as well and we don't know exactly what's on there as well. So there's always risks with

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ground in any type of development when we know it's not a greenfield site. So we'd be

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the same time on the downtown property as well. But to your point, you're absolutely right,

444
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there would be further testing on that property to have a full understanding of what the soil

445
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,180
is entail for us. Okay, because anything can be built anywhere. It's just a don't anything with it

446
00:36:59,180 --> 00:37:05,580
comes across. Correct. And that's the always the nervous part. Yeah, we can build it. It's just

447
00:37:05,580 --> 00:37:11,660
it's going to constitute a lot more. So I'm glad you have that. I expected to use to do that. And

448
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:20,720
And then the property that you're talking on 65 is owned by the mine, or is that city property?

449
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,900
Yeah, that is city owned property.

450
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,980
That location that we're at the furthest south end of the city.

451
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,540
Any on portion of that property?

452
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,840
So I guess MTOs any development they're looking at doing, would not?

453
00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:44,820
Yeah, there has been preliminary conversation with the MTO on the roadway expansion

454
00:37:44,820 --> 00:37:49,000
works there, as well as how that would tie into our driveway and expansion works

455
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:55,880
along that area. And the same similar conversations have happened with utility authorities as well

456
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,020
to make sure that we can get servicing to that portion of the piece of property

457
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:02,780
because there is not currently servicing to that spot, that's the location.

458
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,420
It's big enough to understand that.

459
00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:11,220
And of course, it's the exit of the site for emergency vehicles,

460
00:38:12,220 --> 00:38:16,060
whether where they're going to be going up to the corner six or two five

461
00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:17,380
and I'll go to go that way.

462
00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:22,260
It's not too worried about having getting their firemen there,

463
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,720
because they're going to be already on the job at the site.

464
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:34,560
So, look at not that's good. I know the intersection is scheduled this summer for construction.

465
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:41,020
So, that would have to, I think, would have to take in the consideration as well.

466
00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:48,300
What we're going to do with that intersection, if we incorporate the fire hall there as those

467
00:38:50,350 --> 00:38:55,550
fire trucks and the aerials and what adults navigating that corner.

468
00:38:55,550 --> 00:39:06,770
The transports can do it now, so I don't think there is any issue, but at least it's going to be taken part of the reconstruction of the connecting link in that area.

469
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:08,270
Thank you.

470
00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:09,550
Appreciate it.

471
00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:10,970
Thank you.

472
00:39:11,310 --> 00:39:11,630
Thank you.

473
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:17,030
Raise an interesting point there that it would align well with the reconstruction.

474
00:39:17,330 --> 00:39:20,370
That's being planned for that intersection as well if that were the site that we're preferred.

475
00:39:21,350 --> 00:39:23,610
I have Councillor Feldman and then Councillor Black, go ahead.

476
00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:26,150
Thank you.

477
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:33,250
Thank you for the presentation, and this is a very important project because we do want

478
00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:41,530
our firefighters having best possible facilities because they do humans work, so this

479
00:39:41,530 --> 00:39:42,430
is very important.

480
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:46,370
And all you mentioned has part of the whole process.

481
00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:52,610
You consult it with probably the chief and other members of his group.

482
00:39:52,610 --> 00:40:02,130
And I wasn't sure if I heard that these were the only two sites or did you hear like maybe other possible locations.

483
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:10,070
Because I know I did hear some possible locations from members of the firefighters.

484
00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:16,930
And so I'm just curious if there were any other ones considered other than these two.

485
00:40:18,370 --> 00:40:21,170
So we were only tasked to look at the two properties.

486
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:24,930
We were tasked to look at any other property within this

487
00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:27,630
recommendation that we're providing today.

488
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:29,550
So if there were other sites,

489
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:33,610
not part of our investigation or our study at this time.

490
00:40:35,650 --> 00:40:36,950
Perhaps Councilor Feldman before you continue.

491
00:40:37,070 --> 00:40:39,610
I could see that Mr. Town would like to add on to that response.

492
00:40:39,830 --> 00:40:40,650
Go ahead, Mr. Town.

493
00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:42,330
Do you worship? So yes.

494
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:45,250
So we did get creative.

495
00:40:45,490 --> 00:40:47,610
We did pitch a few sites to the chief.

496
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:52,430
But again, he reminded us that there's a factor of response time for certain areas that we

497
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:56,910
need to factor in as well, because at one point, yes, we did go to the very West and

498
00:40:56,910 --> 00:41:00,510
the timins to look at it, but then again, it doesn't meet the need of the downtown course,

499
00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:05,490
so we're affecting the response times of the central station itself and where it needs to get to.

500
00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:12,750
That's why we were limited. We did identify another spot, but again, it's not the most ideal,

501
00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:17,410
because it's the home of your park, the home of your park.

502
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:19,950
It's the only other large piece of municipal property

503
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:21,790
that we could do something there.

504
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:23,390
But again, it's not feasible.

505
00:41:23,650 --> 00:41:25,110
At the end of the day, it's the park.

506
00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:27,730
It's a central feature within this community that

507
00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:29,470
that's something that we weren't going to entertain.

508
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:31,970
So that's why that's, we battered that one

509
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:34,510
out of the consideration we'll say.

510
00:41:34,810 --> 00:41:37,350
So we were left with those two close to the downtown core

511
00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:40,350
and with the ability to either amalgamate the Schumacher Hall.

512
00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:44,090
So we knew we were very limited just based on the response

513
00:41:44,090 --> 00:41:46,090
tied that the fire department needs.

514
00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:48,870
Thank you, I can appreciate that.

515
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:51,510
I mean, the Hollinger Park was one that was raised

516
00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:54,770
from members of the department.

517
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:57,650
And I wanted to leave it to the experts.

518
00:41:57,830 --> 00:42:00,130
I'm not here to start debating the merits of sites.

519
00:42:00,390 --> 00:42:03,990
I just think that the men and women that are doing that job.

520
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:07,050
I want to respect them to give their input.

521
00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:13,270
because it's important and I'm sure it was taken, but I just wanted to confirm that this was

522
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:22,850
all considered and so thank you for that. I have one more question. Have you started considering

523
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:27,650
costing for the building or were not there yet?

524
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,280
A three year worship, so we're not there yet.

525
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:39,340
And this stage of the project allows us to move into that next phase of work to get to the

526
00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:42,400
point where we do start looking at costing in in greater detail.

527
00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:48,380
We know that with either site there is site specific costs that have to be developed from

528
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:48,720
that.

529
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,400
So as we look to select a site, that will allow us to understand what the the costing looks

530
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:54,900
like.

531
00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:58,940
We're also at a point where at schematic design on the building design.

532
00:42:58,940 --> 00:43:03,080
And as we a little bit further along, it provides greater detail for us to get into that

533
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:08,940
costing. So we haven't considered any costing specifically at this point while keeping in mind,

534
00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:15,220
you know, our historical knowledge of projects like this, I'm definitely understanding of where things may be trending,

535
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,400
but nothing formally completed at this time.

536
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,560
And I just like one follow-up question regarding the costing.

537
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,400
I don't know how familiar you are with construction in Timons,

538
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:36,040
But we often hear around this table and I don't like hearing it, but I want to raise it right now about, you know, the Timmins tax about the cost of construction in Timmins.

539
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:46,140
And I will fully support this project, but it is not just open season on the resonance of Timmins that this gets built at any cost.

540
00:43:46,140 --> 00:44:03,060
And a lot may, at this point, just be urban legend or scuttle, but, you know, I'm hearing some numbers being floated around that it's two to three times the cost to build here in Timons for this particular structure and similar facilities and southern Ontario.

541
00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:10,460
And I think we have to be very prepared when that scope comes out to control that.

542
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:16,140
It's just not simply we're going to charge more because it's Timons.

543
00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:23,080
We need this facility obviously, but I think it has to be managed very carefully and I'm

544
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:29,320
just giving you the warning now because we are facing that incessantly and it's something

545
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:37,280
that we want to be aware of prior to getting in to costing and so on. So I did want to make

546
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,680
that suggestion tonight. So thank you very much.

547
00:44:43,820 --> 00:44:45,680
Thank you Councillor and let's go over to

548
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:53,180
Councillor Black. Thank you, our ship. I have a few questions or points throughout that I'll go through.

549
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:58,860
First is this is for information only tonight. There's no vote to proceed with this.

550
00:45:03,260 --> 00:45:03,740
Second,

551
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:18,600
I guess I'll say fundamentally I'm not opposed to the site, but fundamentally I'm not in favor of the site yet, because I don't think I have the information to say whether I'm opposed or in favor to the site.

552
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:26,820
I guess for me, it's slightly disappointing because it's not what I thought we were doing at the stage when we talked about this at budget time.

553
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:32,320
I thought you guys would be kind of open-season on locations and doing a review of the city

554
00:45:33,220 --> 00:45:38,720
and what possible sites would make sense looking at call locations and service locations.

555
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:43,900
So I guess I'll ask just for public awareness a few questions to the chief.

556
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,880
In this if we proceed with this station as a single station full-time

557
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:58,080
ten minutes volunteers, shoe macro volunteers, and one location, where do and will the full-time

558
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,480
firefighters respond to fire calls in the city of ten minutes?

559
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:08,440
Thank you. The full-time firefighters will respond to any white.

560
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:08,940
We'll see.

561
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,800
Where will the ten minutes volunteers are what it's currently? The ten minutes volunteers out of the

562
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,440
ten minutes station respond to, will they respond to shoe macro calls as well if it's

563
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,280
amalgamated station or. Correct. Okay, and the Schumacher volunteers will respond to.

564
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:30,280
Timons. I like this as well. Yeah. So my follow-up question to that either to yourself,

565
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:38,600
chief or to your group either one has discussions take in place about this proposed location with

566
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:48,420
a full-time members. And by no means do I want to suggest that our members should dictate where our

567
00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:59,680
Or concerns or pros or cons that I think so have we talked with a the full-time members be the Timmants volunteers and see the Schumacher volunteers to see whether they are

568
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:02,360
Ameniable to

569
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,120
That change in response

570
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,100
Required from them and that expanded service area and

571
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:15,460
Any pros or cons of the location itself from their point of view and thank you. We're true

572
00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:29,620
Councillor, we, the Timmins volunteers and the Schumerke volunteers will be responding to the same place as they are right now at the back up to the full-time stations, which are, I think it has to be respond to Ward 3, Ward 5,

573
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:30,520
because Ward 1.

574
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:32,760
So currently the Schumerke responds to Timmins, as well.

575
00:47:35,740 --> 00:47:36,280
Appreciate that.

576
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:47,140
And then my next question is, and this is perhaps the black question mark of the future

577
00:47:47,140 --> 00:47:52,860
of the city of Timmons, but obviously there has been publicly some presentations via the

578
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:57,340
chamber on terms of future-mind activity and future-mind planning.

579
00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:05,880
In the area, I'll say, between haulage or pick currently and the McIntyre area, and this

580
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,920
has been made of public presentation, so it is what it is.

581
00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:18,420
Have we had any consultation with the mining company as to this location and whether that's

582
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:21,680
potentially interfering, and I understand we don't want to put things on hold for what

583
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,240
may come from a mine, but I also don't want to build a 30 to 40 year facility, and what

584
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:34,220
get swallowed up in 10 years. So I'm just curious to that. Yeah, we've had preliminary discussions

585
00:48:34,220 --> 00:48:39,920
with our partners at Discovery, but I see Mr. Tam feels like he'd like to take this one on,

586
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:45,320
so go ahead, Mr. Tam. Through your worship, so again, just to reiterate what the Mayor just said,

587
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:52,120
we've had some preliminary discussions on some of the activity that Discovery is coordinating

588
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:57,240
or planning their next iterations for the next six amount of years, because the same thing goes

589
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:02,300
with the Connecting Link project, all that other stuff. So we're trying to get to the table

590
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:07,420
with them to understand what their plan is because at the end of the day we want to make sure

591
00:49:07,420 --> 00:49:11,680
as a misplay that we're spending the right dollars now and not turn it on and tear it up in

592
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:17,340
three years we'll see. So we're trying to engage on going discussions and have these full

593
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:21,780
some discussions on a regular basis, we're just waiting for them to get themselves organized

594
00:49:21,780 --> 00:49:23,720
as well, just to kind of get back to us and give us

595
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:25,620
from plans themselves.

596
00:49:28,420 --> 00:49:31,340
So I guess what I'll say is I'm a little more willing

597
00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:35,700
to repair the connecting link that is damaged and needs

598
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,080
to be repaired to continue to use it while the mine sorts

599
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,060
of what they're going to do over the next 10 years.

600
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,840
I don't know what the age of our current fire hose.

601
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:48,360
Sorry, I thank you for the counselor.

602
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,840
It was built in 1957.

603
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:57,840
57 so we're 70 going on 70 years next year. I'm less inclined to put a

604
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:04,480
facility that may last 70 years in a potential future mining location. So that's

605
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,000
my concern with that and I understand no one's sitting in this room right now

606
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,820
can tell us what's going to be in the future of discovery or not. I just think

607
00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:13,960
that needs to be a major consideration when we're talking about building a

608
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,760
foundational piece of infrastructure in an area that is at least near a

609
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,980
to what is currently being discussed and considered in the community.

610
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:27,420
So for that, I have some hesitations.

611
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:34,040
And then I'll circle back, you've clarified that members will still respond to the same areas.

612
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:40,080
Have we, or have yourselves consulted with the members in terms of pros, cons?

613
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:46,800
When you were collecting your list of pros and cons, do we consult with the frontline members to hear their pros and cons?

614
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,720
of I guess the two locations you were presented with because you wouldn't have taken any other

615
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:56,320
locations because that was an in your purview but was there any engagement done with current

616
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:01,020
associations, full-time or volunteer in developing your pros and cons list?

617
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,680
Through your worship I can answer this partially and then if the chief wants to expand on it I

618
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:15,140
allow them to as well. So our consultation was pretty minimal in the sense of you know meeting

619
00:51:15,140 --> 00:51:17,260
while we were touring the existing facilities,

620
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,640
but while we were touring the existing facilities,

621
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,000
we did have those conversations that were more building specific

622
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,620
and the challenges that we see within those buildings.

623
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:28,260
We do know that the people that are kind of front-line,

624
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:31,160
see the challenges every day, you know,

625
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,480
know differently than the chief and the deputies that are in those buildings

626
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,860
in here as well, right? So that was more of the conversation

627
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:42,500
that we had regarding that and I'll let the chief speak on the site side of it as well.

628
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:44,840
Thank you.

629
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:52,320
Councillor, the international association firefighters, they provided a, they did a study through

630
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:57,360
timings as far as call response times, and all that stuff in there, it was, it was a lot

631
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,920
of work and a lot of great information.

632
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:06,760
We have looked at these possibilities, there are a number of things that we were looking

633
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:12,180
at, one would be in the future of timings and where the future is taking us, when we're expecting

634
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:12,660
growth.

635
00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:22,760
as well as different supports that were putting through town to be able to make us get to the west end of town, for instance,

636
00:52:22,980 --> 00:52:25,000
like the lighting system to be all green.

637
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:25,840
That sort of thing.

638
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:29,500
And a four-laning six or fifty-five, so we can get there easy enough.

639
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:40,820
Sort of thing. It was a lot of great information. There are particular portions of that study that aren't quite

640
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:49,000
related directly involved with what it is, as far as our composition of firefighters. So it was

641
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:57,100
looked at. The other problem is property, you know, and location of the best place to put

642
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,180
this station, there's just no property available.

643
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:02,870
Thank you for that, Chief.

644
00:53:04,590 --> 00:53:06,850
And given the responses need to go across the city,

645
00:53:06,970 --> 00:53:08,950
I'm not opposed to something that has highway access.

646
00:53:09,090 --> 00:53:12,490
I think it's a perk in terms of getting east or west

647
00:53:12,490 --> 00:53:16,290
in the city for the full-time cruise.

648
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:23,700
I just, I would, if this was on the agenda for votes tonight,

649
00:53:24,340 --> 00:53:26,980
I couldn't support it, not because I don't want to support it,

650
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,560
or that I won't support it in the end.

651
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,760
I just don't think that there's been enough of that kind of information

652
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,580
along the questions that I've asked.

653
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,900
Even starting with the two sites, and I guess a third question,

654
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,500
or another question would be, you mentioned current structure

655
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:44,840
of the E-FIRE service right now.

656
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,220
We're bonding out of one full-time fire hall,

657
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,940
and I know in a zero-boat operating a fire hall,

658
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,520
or at all throw that out there now as I preface this question,

659
00:53:56,180 --> 00:53:58,160
but would it make more sense given the growth

660
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,780
to end dynamics, to have two potential fire halls.

661
00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:03,920
Can we do that with the same cruise,

662
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,780
divide, and cruise, and still responding

663
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:08,520
from both stations to all calls, potentially,

664
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:12,700
but would you be able to get cruise, two calls sooner,

665
00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:14,180
or do you need that full compliment?

666
00:54:14,220 --> 00:54:16,420
That is at the station to start fighting the fire anyways.

667
00:54:18,220 --> 00:54:20,320
I'm just wondering what the breadth of this scope

668
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,740
versus narrowing in, and we've dictated two sites,

669
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,100
one of them we don't even own,

670
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,660
and don't can't have the whole property

671
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:30,980
without purchasing properties so that rules out that site off the start so we've really looked

672
00:54:30,980 --> 00:54:36,740
at one site in terms of making a decision that's going to potentially last the next

673
00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:41,920
70 years of fighting fires across the city of Devon. So I'm just wondering what structural

674
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,180
changes we've possibly contemplated in that.

675
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:53,280
Thank you. I'm not sure where I should be going with this but there is a possibility

676
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,780
with future growth of the city and the future expectations is where the city is going

677
00:54:58,780 --> 00:55:06,280
ago is that we could look at multiple stations with multiple full-time people in those stations

678
00:55:06,820 --> 00:55:11,460
to respond to in a more efficient way than how we're doing it now with the composite

679
00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:12,760
part of it.

680
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,400
And composite being full-time with volunteers.

681
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:21,260
Yeah, and I'm note by no means was that question directed, should we change your volunteer

682
00:55:21,260 --> 00:55:22,280
hybrid structure?

683
00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:24,100
I don't want to get into that again.

684
00:55:25,620 --> 00:55:32,640
The final point I guess I'll make is that before this comes back, I would like to see some

685
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,480
of the things that are referenced.

686
00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:39,680
We talked about response times, both for the current dynamics of Timmons and B for the

687
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:40,220
plan group.

688
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,440
So I would like to see the reports that I believe have likely been done internally, but to

689
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:50,020
say, hey, these are the locations and these are where the major concerns are response

690
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:58,420
times now, and these will improve or not improve with this location, as well as what we know

691
00:55:58,420 --> 00:56:03,460
we're trying to develop into Melrose and push north along that area and there's a lot more

692
00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:09,460
development in the west end of the community, historically over recent years, so I get the dynamics

693
00:56:09,460 --> 00:56:15,360
of wanting quick access to serve those areas as well. I'm glad we're not making this decision

694
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,460
tonight because I just don't feel I have the information to get behind that. And I want

695
00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:22,580
to, as I said, I'm not opposed to this location. I won't go on record saying I'm opposed to

696
00:56:22,580 --> 00:56:28,180
it yet, because I do believe it has its benefits in terms of access across the community,

697
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,560
but I'd just like to see a little more information before we get to that next step and

698
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:36,280
see the wholesome picture that we've considered that I would strongly encourage that we have an

699
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:42,720
in-camera meeting or at least the city officials at the top end of the city have that meeting with

700
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:48,760
our mining company and fully understand what potential is in the next, I know we don't

701
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,260
like saying, well, they might do something in 10, 20 years, but this is a 70 year

702
00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:52,620
facility.

703
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,820
So it has to be taken into consideration in my mind.

704
00:56:57,420 --> 00:56:57,820
Thank you.

705
00:56:57,860 --> 00:57:00,780
Are there any other questions for our presenters while they're here?

706
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,640
What's the extent of it?

707
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,880
I've got no problem with the new fire hall.

708
00:57:08,140 --> 00:57:11,780
I think we need to, but how big is the current fire hall square footage?

709
00:57:15,970 --> 00:57:29,750
Do you have that or, but they're so, so then the easiest way to answer it is, is, is this fight, there's this new firehold going to be twice the size or three times the size of the current haul.

710
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:43,820
By estimation, it would be likely in like the administrative and cruise bases likely on the double side on the garage space probably closer to the triple side, just because the current garage spaces are undersized.

711
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:51,840
And they don't have that drive-through capability which increases the size of the garage base because you do have those clearances on both the front and the back of the base.

712
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:57,120
And we're adding the decontamination base for health and safety protocols which don't currently exist.

713
00:57:57,380 --> 00:58:01,040
So on the garage side, likely closer to the order of magnitude to three times.

714
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,380
But on the crew would administrative side closer to that double number.

715
00:58:05,980 --> 00:58:11,360
So just an observation, and I'm not educated in this, but just from what you're saying.

716
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:18,140
That's why you can't find a piece of property as far as unconcerned because you want to build something three times the size and that's going to be an issue.

717
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:25,360
So that's, you know what I mean? Like we need a new haul, but at the same time, like how many bays are going to be in this haul?

718
00:58:27,850 --> 00:58:28,570
Through your worship.

719
00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:40,810
Yeah, so the new, the new station will have three double length bays. So for six apparatus, and then two additional double length bays for the decontamination, which would not be where any vehicles are stored full time.

720
00:58:40,810 --> 00:58:42,550
that's purely for the purposes of washing,

721
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:44,550
and decontaminating equipment and vehicles.

722
00:58:45,330 --> 00:58:49,050
So six apparatus parking spaces within the garage.

723
00:58:50,330 --> 00:58:51,810
Three-bit, three-vays double length.

724
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:54,090
Do you have a final question?

725
00:58:54,330 --> 00:58:55,110
Can I take a start of it?

726
00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:55,930
Pardon?

727
00:58:56,110 --> 00:58:57,210
Do you have a final question?

728
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:59,870
No, just I think that's the issue right there.

729
00:59:00,910 --> 00:59:02,590
That's why you can't find any property,

730
00:59:04,010 --> 00:59:05,790
because you're limited when you want

731
00:59:05,790 --> 00:59:07,490
to triple the size of a fire all.

732
00:59:07,810 --> 00:59:08,770
You want to have something else?

733
00:59:08,770 --> 00:59:09,170
That's a crit.

734
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:09,890
It has a question.

735
00:59:10,510 --> 00:59:14,850
What's that comments or questions? You can comment or question. There's nothing in the procedure of buying it.

736
00:59:14,850 --> 00:59:19,510
I think I was just asking if you have enough question for presenters because they are here on their time.

737
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:22,010
I just want to make sure we get one more question.

738
00:59:22,010 --> 00:59:22,070
Just one more question.

739
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:23,510
One of your questions?

740
00:59:23,850 --> 00:59:24,150
The same comment.

741
00:59:24,410 --> 00:59:30,130
Through you to the CAO, we put aside $500,000 in the budget for this.

742
00:59:30,330 --> 00:59:33,890
Is this part of the $500,000 to the beginning of it?

743
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:35,670
It's really nice.

744
00:59:36,430 --> 00:59:39,670
three years or so. Yes, this is part of the thank you.

745
00:59:40,590 --> 00:59:41,990
Councillor Curlie, a final question?

746
00:59:42,370 --> 00:59:42,850
Thank you.

747
00:59:43,630 --> 00:59:46,990
What would you time frame in order to come back?

748
00:59:47,150 --> 00:59:49,550
I mean, I'm worried about the soil condition, obviously.

749
00:59:50,330 --> 00:59:51,770
On that side, it's always been a concern.

750
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:55,850
So what is your time frame coming back with those results?

751
00:59:56,170 --> 00:59:59,970
And, of course, it gives the city of opportunity to sit down with the mine.

752
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:22,420
In and seeing as Councillor Black had mentioned, what's their future hold? It's something to bring back here, so I guess it gives us an opportunity to look at other sites as well, not saying they have, at least a little bit more input into it. So do you have a time frame?

753
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:30,940
It wouldn't be fair for me to put a timeline on third party individuals that have to be part of those studies.

754
01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:35,420
I think it's fair that we could find out what their timeframes are to complete that work.

755
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:41,920
If we were elected to do that, but we were talking about other people doing the testing, right?

756
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,400
It wouldn't be our office specifically doing the testing.

757
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,580
It is third party engineering groups and consultants that look at those details specifically.

758
01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:53,560
So we need to convey with that to understand what their availability is.

759
01:00:57,630 --> 01:01:00,530
Thank you, are there any other questions on this presentation?

760
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:08,290
All right, well, understanding that there are still some conversations to be had at our level with some of our local partners.

761
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:10,490
That will inform your timelines.

762
01:01:10,810 --> 01:01:15,870
We'll try to get on that immediately so that we can bring back whatever relevant information we can to you.

763
01:01:16,050 --> 01:01:17,710
I'm very excited about this project.

764
01:01:17,850 --> 01:01:19,470
Thank you for bringing this forward.

765
01:01:19,470 --> 01:01:23,670
obviously there are still some question marks, but it sounds like we're looking for information

766
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:27,970
in data from the city side, so we'll make sure that we get that to Council for their

767
01:01:27,970 --> 01:01:28,730
consideration as well.

768
01:01:28,890 --> 01:01:29,790
Thank you.

769
01:01:30,030 --> 01:01:30,330
Thank you.

770
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:31,290
Thank you, Council.

771
01:01:31,410 --> 01:01:32,290
Thank you, staff, as well.

772
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:33,410
Thank you.

773
01:01:42,620 --> 01:01:47,160
All right, that brings us to the next item on the agenda being 5C, the Comprehensive Transit Master

774
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:47,620
Plan.

775
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,560
And this is presented by Mr. Krasal.

776
01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:50,280
Go ahead.

777
01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:52,400
Good evening.

778
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:53,660
Your worship in Council.

779
01:01:53,660 --> 01:02:08,800
This report for 48 tonight is asking Council to approve the Council's approval in awarding the Transit Master Plan in integrated road optimization to GANET Fleming Canada ULC for the amount of $148,866.

780
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:20,180
Tim is transit with the help of growth and infrastructure department issued in RFP earlier this year to see qualified consultants to develop a master plan with this integrated route optimization.

781
01:02:20,180 --> 01:02:25,480
We did have seven submissions, and again, a Fleming Score, the highest score of 95.8.

782
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:31,240
Tim is transit did budget 200,000 for this activity, all of which was coming from baseline

783
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,020
funding through the Canadian Public Transit Fund.

784
01:02:35,580 --> 01:02:47,220
I believe the reports explains the purpose of the master plan and what we're proposing, so if

785
01:02:47,220 --> 01:02:48,940
there's any questions, I can answer those now.

786
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:53,240
Thank you, Councillor Cranney.

787
01:02:54,780 --> 01:02:55,900
Thank you.

788
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:03,760
The I imagine the plan is to have some public meetings to move forward this throughout the city of different locations.

789
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,400
Hopefully something will work because I know we're doing connecting Lincoln.

790
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:16,620
We have an opportunity to put in all column slip lanes, so the buses have a chance to pull over.

791
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:17,580
Pick up passengers.

792
01:03:17,580 --> 01:03:29,980
So this year, I guess, is to avoid having such an area and by having public meetings or

793
01:03:29,980 --> 01:03:36,080
a lot of public to have input and explain how this new system is going to work versus

794
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,820
where it's being done presently, correct?

795
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:49,440
The plans a little bit more robust than just, you know, like slip lanes and such, there

796
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:56,000
is going to be a lot of public consultation, but a large part of this plan is setting

797
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,460
the standards moving forward over the next 20 to 25 years.

798
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:07,020
It's going to start with collecting data and setting benchmarking for where you need transit

799
01:04:07,020 --> 01:04:18,600
where transit should be. Looking at specific standards for distances between stops, service

800
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:25,160
levels for different areas of the city, how you meet those standards, how do you move

801
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:40,000
forward with growth and it's going to encompass a large group of data sets to provide a

802
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:46,660
road map moving forward for transit. So most we reviewed all seven submissions.

803
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,140
They're

804
01:04:55,140 --> 01:05:04,640
multiple public consultations, surveys, meetings with Council, and this is going to probably

805
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:11,760
take in the neighborhood of 15 to 18 months to complete. There's a lot of work to be done

806
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:22,880
here, but yeah, it will be all encompassing when it comes to reviewing transit and setting

807
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:23,840
us up in the future.

808
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:29,040
Thank you for that because I was one of my questions at the time for having you answered that.

809
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:36,360
So in the interim, I know I've come to Council a number of times and in improving some

810
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:43,020
of the local transit service in the East End could not heal in what that else and lake

811
01:05:43,020 --> 01:05:50,760
field apartments, how to or are we going to be able to improve some of that service starting

812
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:59,740
now. This is being two years off. We know we have to improve the service. So will we be able

813
01:05:59,740 --> 01:06:09,760
to enhance or provide service? Everybody to enhance it. Service prior to this report be

814
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:10,660
in finalized.

815
01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:19,610
The President, we don't have any service that was Council agreed to a couple

816
01:06:19,610 --> 01:06:27,250
years ago. We would caution against service level changes at this point in time. We also

817
01:06:27,250 --> 01:06:36,310
have some internal struggles with enhancing service with staffing levels and fleet levels.

818
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:47,950
So, you know, we're as in all of our departments, we're struggling to stay at full complement

819
01:06:47,950 --> 01:06:52,630
and just provide the service that we're supposed to, so it'll be, it'll be

820
01:06:52,630 --> 01:07:02,790
a challenge to make any changes at this point in time, so I, you know, without, I, I would

821
01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:08,450
be hesitant to commit to additional service levels unless there's some, you know, extra

822
01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:13,690
money or funding or bodies thrown at us, but we still have to find these people, which is a

823
01:07:13,690 --> 01:07:13,870
struggle.

824
01:07:17,490 --> 01:07:19,250
Thank you, and Councillor Gisborne.

825
01:07:20,430 --> 01:07:22,230
Here comes some public input.

826
01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:29,270
First of all, thank you for that answer, because enhancing the service, I just read a couple

827
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:29,970
of posts where we have to.

828
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:58,600
To cancel routes, because we had a shortage of drivers. You know, and that's a good, that's began a challenge right there. And the item I put on the agenda for later will discuss the challenge of recruitment as well. The question I have is, if this is going to take 15 months, my concern is the main transit building and the way the washrooms are an open concept.

829
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:18,620
Do we have to wait 15 months, or are we going to come with some kind of a plan to go with washrooms like they have at the library where you have to go get a key and you use the washroom and bring the key back to the lady at the desk or whoever's working at the desk.

830
01:08:18,620 --> 01:08:22,780
Because you know, it's it's a disaster and they're let's admit it

831
01:08:23,260 --> 01:08:26,980
Are we are we gonna do anything in the meantime or are we waiting for?

832
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,740
The master plan to come back

833
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,020
Mr. Krasal, will that be part of the scope of this transit master plan?

834
01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:40,120
I know our

835
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,800
infrastructure if it's like our

836
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:49,920
Locations and and such facilities will be looked at especially in our fleet will be looked at

837
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:58,730
specifics in regards to ergonomic designs and stuff like the washrooms I'm I'm not sure

838
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:09,740
really you know that's you know I guess it could be looked at but you know everybody I don't know what to say on that comment

839
01:09:09,740 --> 01:09:16,840
I mean we've been struggling with all our facilities with this you know these problems it's not just the

840
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,860
terminal that we struggle with. It's a number of facilities, so I think you have to

841
01:09:21,860 --> 01:09:25,800
hear this work as much as they can to keep up this comprehensive master plan.

842
01:09:25,980 --> 01:09:29,980
You take an look at that question specifically. See events with the question. Thank you.

843
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:35,720
So then my final question would be in terms of whether it's the master plan or not.

844
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:41,640
Do you need us to bring this to the agenda to deal with the bathrooms at the main terminal?

845
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,740
Do you need a resolution to come from us?

846
01:09:44,740 --> 01:09:47,380
Thank you, so that doesn't have anything to do with this slide.

847
01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:48,900
I'm curious if it is something to do with this.

848
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,000
Well, I'll just ask that you ask that question offline.

849
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,460
What do you mean offline?

850
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,020
What does that mean offline?

851
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:55,340
Outside of this meeting.

852
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,800
Or bring it back to another meeting for discussion, correct?

853
01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:04,560
So as it is unrelated with the item that's being discussed, yes, I would ask.

854
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:05,600
Why does it matter?

855
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,900
Like, why does it matter if it's unrelated?

856
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,960
Because we have not intended to get through on our online policy.

857
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:11,500
Thank you.

858
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:14,680
Councillor Kostanovich, are there any other questions on this report?

859
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:21,080
Seeing none, we'll go on to the next item, being 5D, the Golden Avenue Bridge Rehabilitation

860
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,320
on this presenter by Mr. Town.

861
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:22,960
Please go ahead.

862
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:30,050
Thank you, Madam Mayor, and members of the Council, so tonight's report here, we are seeking

863
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:34,190
the proposed bylaw be approved and enacted by Council to award the rehabilitation of

864
01:10:34,190 --> 01:10:42,210
Golden Avenue Bridge to MCA contract limited in the amount of $684,526.41 plus HST.

865
01:10:42,210 --> 01:10:49,030
So, the golden avenue bridge is one of the older bridge bridges we have in the municipality.

866
01:10:49,850 --> 01:11:01,070
Based on its last inspection, it's some notice deficiencies were identified in some remedial repairs that we should take so we can maintain that structure.

867
01:11:01,710 --> 01:11:06,570
So, some of the rehab works includes removal of existing asphalt and water proofing over the structure.

868
01:11:06,570 --> 01:11:10,850
concrete repairs to the culvert walls and footings, reconstruction of a

869
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:14,370
approach roadbases, installation and new waterproofing membrane over the

870
01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:18,730
structure, installation of a new guardrail, a guiderail, and safety features in

871
01:11:18,730 --> 01:11:25,050
accordance with current standards. So this was an identified project in the 2026

872
01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:30,130
budget. So we've received, we went out for for tender and we received four

873
01:11:30,130 --> 01:11:42,780
it's three or the four were compliant and we do have a little bit of a surplus here. Sorry,

874
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:48,340
it was a resulting in a shortfall on this budgetitarian item, but we do have, when we will

875
01:11:48,340 --> 01:11:53,500
be presenting the evidence bridge in a few minutes, so the surplus from that will help us

876
01:11:53,500 --> 01:11:54,840
set the shortfall of this bridge.

877
01:11:57,590 --> 01:12:00,250
Thank you for the report. Are there any questions?

878
01:12:02,830 --> 01:12:04,590
Thank you.

879
01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:14,210
It seems to be just the only route we have for the mining and logging trucks, Evans and

880
01:12:14,210 --> 01:12:14,570
Golden.

881
01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:19,850
And both bridges are in need of repair.

882
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:25,210
Both will be worked on this year.

883
01:12:26,710 --> 01:12:37,270
Not that I guess we have to tell the mining and logging companies, but I'm sure you have informed them that it's definitely going to have an impact in

884
01:12:40,380 --> 01:12:43,960
their roots for whether it's time delays.

885
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:51,620
I know we're also looking at half load restrictions on Evans and SpringZode coming up plus

886
01:12:51,620 --> 01:12:56,000
a number of other roads and we're going to throw Evans street in there as well.

887
01:12:56,860 --> 01:13:03,700
I don't know where we're sitting as far as any other routes that these companies could possibly

888
01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:04,140
use.

889
01:13:04,980 --> 01:13:12,240
But they are aware, these companies are aware that both these bridges will be affected or under

890
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,240
instruction in the next few months.

891
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:21,220
Through you, we're ship so they are aware that they specifically are aware for sure

892
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:26,680
the Evans Bridge because that's more of a larger project for us to really manage and

893
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,620
manage that traffic load in the safety there.

894
01:13:29,220 --> 01:13:33,000
I will circle back just to make sure that they are aware that this one is well at the same time.

895
01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:38,240
But again, I know a lot of my conversations with those stakeholders have been more focused

896
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:38,960
on the Evans Bridge.

897
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:44,340
So it's possible that I need to remind them of this one too now.

898
01:13:44,860 --> 01:13:45,300
OK, thank you.

899
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:48,620
And if there's any extra dollars that we can move to sidewalk,

900
01:13:49,220 --> 01:13:53,760
offer Bruce and put it back to where it was, where the

901
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,280
the bridge that was repaired a couple years ago, I'd appreciate that.

902
01:13:57,340 --> 01:14:03,500
And I think any other individual senior youth that's using the

903
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:12,760
roadway now would appreciate if we can put some dollars into moving that road side walk back.

904
01:14:13,020 --> 01:14:13,840
Thank you.

905
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:16,400
In Councillor Colman?

906
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:25,400
Not a question, but big thanks to administration and council for this really desirable

907
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:32,340
infrastructure investment in South Porcupine on both the Golden and Evans Bridge.

908
01:14:32,340 --> 01:14:39,880
So this is a great news story, and I'm very appreciative, as are the residents, so thank you

909
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,060
very much, Director Tam.

910
01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:44,560
I don't think it's so much.

911
01:14:45,620 --> 01:14:46,520
Just a quick question.

912
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:47,160
Thank you, Your Worship.

913
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:50,680
Through you, Mr. Tam, or whoever can answer, is real rehabilitation.

914
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:53,800
Is it grant eligible or just new construction?

915
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:57,080
Through you, Your Worship.

916
01:14:58,260 --> 01:14:59,980
So most of the maintenance...

917
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,560
Projects aren't eligible, but there's different streams and different applications that we can probably find, try to find to do it, but at this point at time, we didn't see one for this one.

918
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:14,500
Okay, and we have bigger ticket items that we could probably shift grant opportunities to, so.

919
01:15:15,020 --> 01:15:15,620
Thank you.

920
01:15:17,250 --> 01:15:23,870
Can I see no further questions? We'll go on to the next item. 5E, the Waterman Lining on Riverside Drive. Again, over to you, Mr. Tam.

921
01:15:24,750 --> 01:15:31,250
Thank you, Madam Mayor. So again, we're seeking the proposed bi-law be approved and enacted by Council to award the Waterman Lining on Riverside,

922
01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:36,150
drive, so basically surely to Metagree Bridge, to furpile construction in the amount of

923
01:15:36,150 --> 01:15:44,990
4 million, $950,000 plus HST. So again, we've experienced a lot of water main breaks on

924
01:15:44,990 --> 01:15:51,610
Riverside Drive. We have reliant portions of that portion on Riverside over the last few

925
01:15:51,610 --> 01:15:56,250
years. So in advance of preparing for the next few segments of the connecting link,

926
01:15:56,410 --> 01:16:00,890
because we realized that we didn't need to do a full scale excavation. We can get away and

927
01:16:00,890 --> 01:16:04,490
energy with water mean relining. So again, that's both the two

928
01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:09,050
clomers we want to reline. So that's the approach we would like to

929
01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:12,070
take and then that will help us save some connecting link dollars when

930
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:16,570
we do into the actual reconstruction portion of it. Again, this was also

931
01:16:16,570 --> 01:16:20,330
an identified item in the 2026 budget. And again, we received two

932
01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:24,390
tenders and both were compliant. Thank you for the report.

933
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:27,550
I'll have been for questions. Councillor Cirling. Just don't question on

934
01:16:27,550 --> 01:16:32,370
I mean, we've been doing re-lining for a while down the city of Timmons, which has saved

935
01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:34,770
us considerable amount of money.

936
01:16:35,550 --> 01:16:38,110
On this one here, that's approximately $5 million.

937
01:16:38,770 --> 01:16:44,950
If we had to put in new water line, that would be an excess of $10 million, rough guessing,

938
01:16:45,490 --> 01:16:51,370
so the saving of re-lining is huge for the city of Timmons, and the timing is right

939
01:16:51,370 --> 01:16:52,030
for this one.

940
01:16:52,350 --> 01:16:57,150
I was just kind of guessing at the $10 million, not that I'm holding you a figure, but

941
01:16:57,150 --> 01:17:03,970
It's just to show you what kind of cost savings we're doing by doing this project and by

942
01:17:03,970 --> 01:17:05,050
relining it.

943
01:17:05,330 --> 01:17:06,990
That's correct.

944
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:10,210
So, you were sure, yes, this is the cheaper alternative.

945
01:17:11,050 --> 01:17:15,050
It still brings us significant amount of headaches, but it is the cheaper financially.

946
01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:26,610
So, you know, for the questions, we'll hand to item 5F, the Evan Street Bridge replacement

947
01:17:26,610 --> 01:17:28,010
and to Mr. Town.

948
01:17:28,650 --> 01:17:29,650
Thank you, you were sure.

949
01:17:29,770 --> 01:17:33,810
So, again, tonight we're seeking the proposal by I'll be approved and acted by Council

950
01:17:33,810 --> 01:17:38,570
So we're the Evan Street Bridge Replacement to Urban Link Civil Limited in the amount of $5,000,

951
01:17:38,850 --> 01:17:42,130
$107,850 plus HST.

952
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:48,530
So again, we've discussed Evan Street Bridge numerous times in the last few months.

953
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:51,770
We've threw some basic inspections.

954
01:17:51,950 --> 01:17:58,000
It's been deemed it's been deteriorating on the one side to the point where we had to narrow down the

955
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,620
the laneway width and the travel portions,

956
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,060
so we didn't expedite that wear and tear on it.

957
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,200
So with that, we didn't have to limit that road

958
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,000
or the bridge to start diverting traffic around

959
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,420
to Hillary or Gold Rush Road, sorry.

960
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,000
So yeah, so with that being said, we planned

961
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,020
on the construction portion of it.

962
01:18:16,100 --> 01:18:18,400
And now what we do in the phase the approach

963
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,200
is that we will be able to do one side of the bridge

964
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:22,760
while maintaining a travel portion

965
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,500
and then cycle back over.

966
01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:27,360
So again, this project was anticipated

967
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,400
to be completed in the fall of 2027,

968
01:18:33,660 --> 01:18:37,780
and yes, so with this one here, this one came in a little

969
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:38,960
under budget.

970
01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:42,120
Thank you.

971
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:42,740
Any questions?

972
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:43,460
Councillor Cirling.

973
01:18:44,260 --> 01:18:44,640
Thank you.

974
01:18:46,620 --> 01:18:53,220
Once this work commences are soon, we'll be going on a half load for that bridge for construction

975
01:18:53,220 --> 01:18:55,000
and or the street.

976
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,040
What we have to do soon?

977
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:04,560
through your worship. So the bridge doesn't need to be half-load because we're able to maintain the travel portion

978
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,920
but while we work on the one side build that up and then we can shuffle everything over to that side.

979
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:17,820
Half-load for the remainder of the road, I'll have to defer to Director Priscilla just because, again, he is group manages the half-load of the entire stretch of

980
01:19:17,820 --> 01:19:18,760
Langmere.

981
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:20,420
So.

982
01:19:20,420 --> 01:19:20,600
Thank

983
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:29,480
you.

984
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:31,100
Not sure.

985
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,480
There is a report request for half votes on laying there.

986
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:33,840
Fine.

987
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,700
There is seasonally half votes, as well as Tisdale Street.

988
01:19:39,140 --> 01:19:45,760
So that will probably be coming in effect in the next couple weeks at the latest.

989
01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:51,460
We're monitoring the temperature, and then that lasts until I believe it's June 1st,

990
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,960
our June 15th, one of the two dates based on the by-law.

991
01:19:57,710 --> 01:19:58,390
Councillor Signage?

992
01:19:58,670 --> 01:19:59,390
This is a quick question.

993
01:19:59,390 --> 01:19:59,670
Thank you.

994
01:19:59,670 --> 01:20:05,930
of through you to Mr. Tam. This would be a classified as new construction. So I'm going back to

995
01:20:05,930 --> 01:20:10,890
is this grant eligible and have we applied for grant for that or is it not eligible?

996
01:20:11,170 --> 01:20:16,870
Or is it not new construction through your worship? For this one, we did not apply for any grants for.

997
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:22,110
We're not eligible for grants? No, again, to be honest, it's not true. I never looked at any

998
01:20:22,110 --> 01:20:25,710
grants to apply for this one. We can start looking now just to see if there is anything that we can

999
01:20:25,710 --> 01:20:29,590
natural and try to apply for, but we started this because again, it's a maintenance project

1000
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:34,870
so a lot of our maintenance activities, the rehab stuff, we haven't really found any programs

1001
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:35,230
that are there.

1002
01:20:35,790 --> 01:20:36,950
But we can double check again now.

1003
01:20:37,450 --> 01:20:37,890
Thank you.

1004
01:20:41,170 --> 01:20:41,750
Thank you.

1005
01:20:42,890 --> 01:20:45,910
You know, for the questions, it's going to 5G, sorry.

1006
01:20:46,490 --> 01:20:47,950
The TISDLE Reservoir Contract Extension.

1007
01:20:48,250 --> 01:20:57,890
Again, TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE

1008
01:20:57,890 --> 01:21:03,530
for the design and construction contract administration for the Tizzle Reservoir with WSP Canada to

1009
01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:13,310
increase the contract value by $966,000 and $29 and $37 plus HST. So WSP was originally retained to

1010
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:18,470
provide contract administration as site inspections for the Tizzle Reservoir project. So the initial

1011
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:26,330
fee in scope was essentially to rehab and move an in-ground structure with the change and we went

1012
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:29,490
with the more and above ground water elevated tank.

1013
01:21:30,210 --> 01:21:34,170
We changed the little change the scope to and allow for this.

1014
01:21:34,410 --> 01:21:37,810
So we now the scheduled project completion is June 30th,

1015
01:21:37,930 --> 01:21:38,570
the 2027.

1016
01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:43,170
So this is just to account for that change in the extra time needed

1017
01:21:43,170 --> 01:21:45,670
to help us get us to deliver the new reservoir

1018
01:21:46,210 --> 01:21:47,810
or elevated tank, I'll see.

1019
01:21:52,930 --> 01:21:54,450
I'll just add any questions for your clarification.

1020
01:21:58,030 --> 01:21:59,150
All right, see none?

1021
01:21:59,150 --> 01:22:07,150
So on to five H now, that's the lease with Walbitton, Walbitton, Walbitton, Walbitton claim works, and this is presented by us more.

1022
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:08,370
Thank you for your leadership.

1023
01:22:08,810 --> 01:22:10,770
So we're asking Council to approve another lease.

1024
01:22:10,990 --> 01:22:12,270
They keep trickling in.

1025
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:14,230
This ones with Walbitton claim works.

1026
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:16,550
They rent space upstairs at the Mac.

1027
01:22:17,530 --> 01:22:21,230
And this lease generates 2,286 dollars plus HSD.

1028
01:22:25,230 --> 01:22:26,850
Are there any questions?

1029
01:22:26,850 --> 01:22:29,190
Let's see, now.

1030
01:22:30,430 --> 01:22:40,270
It's going to 5. I, the annual council of remuneration, presented by Ms. Moore, thank you, Worship. So, we're asking council to approve the annual report on council of remuneration.

1031
01:22:40,510 --> 01:22:50,590
This report lists all the earnings and expenses paid in 2025 for council and the boards that they're appointed to. It's an annual report that's required by the municipal act.

1032
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:53,780
Are there any questions?

1033
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:01,340
Okay. So, you know what's going to 5. Jay, the purchase of a new ice reserve, the ice reserve, sir, presented by Mr. Palman.

1034
01:23:03,420 --> 01:23:11,680
Thank you, Worship. Tonight, we're requesting Council Authorization to purchase a new electric

1035
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:17,080
ice-resurforcer for use by the Recreation Department for the Mount Joy Arena. The current

1036
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:25,580
ice-resurforcer as a model 2007 is near end of life. It is the oldest ice-resurforcer in our

1037
01:23:28,580 --> 01:23:34,300
The total of four bids received for the tender, Zamboni Company Limited was the lowest

1038
01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:40,040
bidder with a bit of $163,270 plus HST.

1039
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:46,140
Council did budget $140,000 for the new unit in the 2026 budget.

1040
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:52,860
The additional $23,000 will come from a project that we have to cancel the RCHDill and

1041
01:23:52,860 --> 01:23:58,220
sportsblocks. We didn't receive the necessary grant funding to proceed with that project.

1042
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,980
So that's where the additional additional funds will come from.

1043
01:24:07,470 --> 01:24:09,450
Thank you. Are there any questions for clarification?

1044
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:17,460
Seeing none, we'll go on to item 5K. Please, the temporary designated in-campment location for spring summer of

1045
01:24:17,460 --> 01:24:20,080
2026. That's presented by Mr. Landers. Go ahead.

1046
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:27,640
Thank you. Your worship sometime ago. We were tasked with trying to find an in-campment location.

1047
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:34,620
You'll recall last year we went through a process made some recommendations of potential sites.

1048
01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:42,380
And, and here we are again still discussing this matter.

1049
01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:46,800
The in looking at the sites that have been previously identified.

1050
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,960
Two of them remained still somewhat relevant for consideration.

1051
01:24:51,960 --> 01:25:02,120
We did also speak with other landowners outside of just city owned property to try to determine

1052
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:08,680
if there's other parcels of land that might make sense.

1053
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:18,200
And nothing seemed to be readily available or suitable for what we're looking to do.

1054
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,120
So in any event, we've got three sites that we've identified

1055
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:26,700
two from the last time around, and then there's sort of

1056
01:25:26,700 --> 01:25:28,540
the status quo site, I guess.

1057
01:25:30,060 --> 01:25:34,680
So Pine Street, south, was identified last year.

1058
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:39,800
And that's some distance down Pine Street.

1059
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:46,880
There's some of the concerns with that, or just the sheer distance

1060
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:59,740
from many services that almost individuals might require food banks access to health and

1061
01:25:59,740 --> 01:26:00,900
social supports, etc.

1062
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,020
Some of the operational implications with that would be we'd

1063
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:14,820
have to figure out some sort of transportation system or process how to ensure enforcement

1064
01:26:14,820 --> 01:26:23,240
activities occur on on a site, there would be transportation costs, or weekly cleanup costs.

1065
01:26:24,100 --> 01:26:31,420
Some level of security would probably be required and some level of land clearing might

1066
01:26:31,420 --> 01:26:32,880
be required as well.

1067
01:26:33,180 --> 01:26:41,040
We also looked at the snow storage at the snow dump on spruce street south, which is further

1068
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:48,520
down from the current ad hoc site behind the living space.

1069
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:57,820
So, what you know, what you have there is, you'd be pushing traffic further into another

1070
01:26:57,820 --> 01:27:02,240
neighborhood, perhaps upsetting a different neighborhood,

1071
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,720
there would be some issues around,

1072
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:16,700
Look, that's a usable site that public works uses regularly for snow dump in the winter,

1073
01:27:16,900 --> 01:27:23,520
so you'd have to clear out any encampment before that, because, frankly, we're out of spaces to put snow.

1074
01:27:24,220 --> 01:27:30,380
It was this year, but otherwise, you know, in hauling it from there, we really have to find space.

1075
01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:33,280
We use that site for hazardous waste.

1076
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,040
Public works uses that site for asphalt.

1077
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,700
Things that have been pulled up.

1078
01:27:41,740 --> 01:27:45,540
So there are some challenges with the current usefulness of the site.

1079
01:27:46,620 --> 01:27:50,140
Again, we'd be looking at, we'd be looking at cleanup costs,

1080
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:52,760
safe pedestrian access.

1081
01:27:53,460 --> 01:27:55,720
I'm lighting, I think, would be a challenge as well,

1082
01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:06,280
or some basic supports there, and then we've got the status quo site, which is where

1083
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:12,020
we, you know, where the encampment just has created itself, and that's behind the living

1084
01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:19,060
space. And the real problem, there's what's happened to the neighborhood and what this

1085
01:28:19,060 --> 01:28:23,460
accountment has done in terms of neighborhood concern,

1086
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:33,890
it's, in looking at it, it's probably

1087
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:38,470
likely that even if we select another site in accountment and in accountment will continue

1088
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:45,710
to arise there, just from the, you know, if someone's, people's access to the services

1089
01:28:45,710 --> 01:28:53,010
that exist at the living space, so, you know, we don't have, I mean, unless we went to

1090
01:28:53,010 --> 01:29:01,010
week-end enforcement does well to move people out of those sorts of spaces. I'm sure it would be

1091
01:29:01,010 --> 01:29:09,650
you know the weekend issues for that neighborhood would not change as you still see much of the same.

1092
01:29:10,710 --> 01:29:15,630
If we are if Council is thinking that that's you know that

1093
01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:22,880
sorry if Council is is thinking

1094
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,340
that moving an account and the most of over-talked my time.

1095
01:29:27,140 --> 01:29:32,200
An account location is inappropriate to another area.

1096
01:29:33,780 --> 01:29:39,180
Staffs have just some level of fencing that occur around there to at least give some space

1097
01:29:39,180 --> 01:29:44,860
between the residents that live there, whose yards have been used as a pass through, and

1098
01:29:44,860 --> 01:29:51,110
are, you know, on people's way to the current and camp in sight.

1099
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:59,710
So there would be way to perhaps fence off, you don't tie vect defenses or wrap the fences in a way that.

1100
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:14,060
You know, the people who are living in the area, you know, not watching what's happening in that lane. We not, not stuck seeing, you know, people's private lives happen publicly in an encampment.

1101
01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:19,980
So, you know, those are, those are considerations for council.

1102
01:30:19,980 --> 01:30:22,580
in any event.

1103
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:33,120
With that site, I mean we're still going to have to clean it. We would still have to do all those things that we're currently doing.

1104
01:30:35,140 --> 01:30:40,140
And those are the three considerations that we came forward with for council.

1105
01:30:43,170 --> 01:30:46,610
Thank you. So I'll be in the forward for questions on that and we'll start with Councillor Black.

1106
01:30:48,980 --> 01:30:55,240
Thank you, Your Worship. First question is the recommendation is to ask Council for Direction

1107
01:30:55,240 --> 01:31:04,440
Ice soon. We need a resolution for this for like to designate a site as the preferred

1108
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:09,980
in-campain site. So my question is will we be adding that tonight because we're going to be

1109
01:31:09,980 --> 01:31:17,380
into spring melt soon and assuming that there's consensus tonight on one of the sites.

1110
01:31:19,180 --> 01:31:25,860
I guess for me, you mentioned some of the issues we may have when we designate this site,

1111
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:32,260
we will be able to enact or other bylaws and remove encampments from any other sites that

1112
01:31:32,260 --> 01:31:34,260
pop up in the community, correct?

1113
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:45,260
So look to be further, the legal situation just keeps rolling with this.

1114
01:31:45,460 --> 01:31:50,360
Our understanding of it as it stands now is that yes, we could

1115
01:31:51,420 --> 01:32:03,120
So, if an encampment springs up in the Allanger Park, you know, we could direct them to one of these sites if they're deemed appropriate.

1116
01:32:04,780 --> 01:32:08,660
So, it's not to say we won't face challenges, every community is facing legal challenges.

1117
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:17,900
I will accept that, I guess my hope is that we will enact our bylaws until a court tells us that we can't after we designate the site.

1118
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:34,940
I think we're at that stage where we have through other boards and whatnot, a group of people, or agencies that are from what I'm told on board to help with whatever site is selected from Council.

1119
01:32:36,780 --> 01:32:41,400
So, it is my hope that all those part of agencies do come to the table and we select one.

1120
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:50,040
I am not in favor of leaving it where it is currently, but neighborhood has endured that far too long as it is right now.

1121
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:58,720
And suggesting that we will leave it there and monitor it more judiciously is not going to be any ease of mind,

1122
01:32:58,780 --> 01:33:05,400
because if we could accomplish solving resident concerns by just monitoring it, then we should have been doing that for the last three years.

1123
01:33:07,100 --> 01:33:35,220
I earlier, when these alternative sites proposed came, the Spruce Snowdump was dismissed from that list before it even got out to public circulation because Council wasn't in favor of that list, which to me only leaves one of these three sites as a possible option there has been pushed back on that site obviously previously so I'm not sure it's a great option but to me it's the only option that remains on the table of the three that are listed.

1124
01:33:38,380 --> 01:33:41,060
Thank you. Councillor Cirling.

1125
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:43,680
Thank you.

1126
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,800
Yeah, there's not much of a, but there is only one choice of what's been listed.

1127
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:58,170
And from that, I guess it's the cost you talked about some fencing cost possible.

1128
01:33:59,830 --> 01:34:02,790
This is not going to be we provide the land.

1129
01:34:03,570 --> 01:34:05,930
Hopefully the other agencies come on board.

1130
01:34:05,930 --> 01:34:14,310
The dollars needed for operations, you know, you talked about cleanup, would fall back on us,

1131
01:34:14,950 --> 01:34:18,550
but where is the dollars going to come from?

1132
01:34:18,730 --> 01:34:30,120
Is this part of, we'll see, DSAB will be somewhat responsible for dollars being put towards

1133
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:36,800
this for the homeless, I guess, down in that incantment area, where is the dollars going

1134
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:42,600
We come from, or do you have an idea because, as I say, the sites that have been chosen,

1135
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:47,640
I think, and I'll be quite, well, in front of me, it's the Pine Street, I believe, is what

1136
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:56,040
we're going to, and I should say, we recommend going forward on Pine Street, but there is constant

1137
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:56,760
about it.

1138
01:34:56,820 --> 01:35:01,000
And I don't see it where it should all fall into the city of Timons,

1139
01:35:03,180 --> 01:35:04,880
to do everything, to put

1140
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:10,020
out there. We've been putting, putting out the bill for a long time, or putting the bill

1141
01:35:10,020 --> 01:35:17,640
for a long time on what's taken place behind in a round living space. So I think it's time

1142
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:25,160
that we find an alternate location, whether it's the intern until something's definitely come

1143
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:32,460
so later on. But something has to be done, that would be the site in the intern. But again,

1144
01:35:32,460 --> 01:35:35,360
going back to dollars and cents. I don't know if there's

1145
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,820
a French dollars through D-sab, there are other agencies.

1146
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,820
It can't keep falling back on us. It's a great bottom line.

1147
01:35:49,900 --> 01:35:54,500
Through your worship, I don't know where the money comes from. No one's helped so far.

1148
01:35:55,040 --> 01:36:01,480
D-sab did have some funding that they had applied for, but we weren't able to

1149
01:36:01,480 --> 01:36:07,480
utilize that. So I can't speak on behalf of the funding that the

1150
01:36:07,480 --> 01:36:10,420
the DSAP has, things have certainly changed a lot since

1151
01:36:10,420 --> 01:36:14,840
when I worked there. I don't, I don't know, I'm just assuming

1152
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,640
this is our cost. Like I said, there hasn't been

1153
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:23,220
assistance with these costs today. I don't know why they're

1154
01:36:23,220 --> 01:36:26,180
why I don't know it was going to come to the table for us.

1155
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:32,360
Perhaps to that, I would also just add that for those council members that were sitting

1156
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:39,320
around the CVSB board table, you'll recall that when we were proving the 2026 homelessness

1157
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:44,340
prevention plan, the allocations of the fund that we have under the HPP funding, the

1158
01:36:44,340 --> 01:36:50,000
homelessness prevention program that given the fact that there was no new money that we were

1159
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:54,300
using, we had the same allocation as previous years. We weren't able to entertain, as

1160
01:36:54,300 --> 01:37:03,040
board, any new requests for funding for a portion of that allocation that essentially, you know,

1161
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,660
that the allocations were to maintain current service levels.

1162
01:37:07,900 --> 01:37:14,320
So to that, no, we don't know where any capital funds would come from to build a accomplices

1163
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:20,740
work, and given that information, we know that for 2026, there doesn't seem to be any operational

1164
01:37:20,740 --> 01:37:24,000
funding at a partners level, either, and I'm just talking about one partner.

1165
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:29,240
So, of course, that's not the full list of partners that could potentially come and assist us with this.

1166
01:37:30,370 --> 01:37:57,570
So, a possibility of new agencies, no other dollars coming in in order for us to move in cabinets or to a site that would be one site versus a number of sites around the city, it fall back on 100% of the taxpayers cost to move them or say this is a site.

1167
01:37:57,570 --> 01:38:03,890
It's not a moving, this is going to be the site that we're bringing forward for them to

1168
01:38:03,890 --> 01:38:11,090
set up and they don't have to worry about what's coming behind later and saying you have

1169
01:38:11,090 --> 01:38:11,990
to move again.

1170
01:38:13,810 --> 01:38:20,370
It's unfortunate if we have to put the whole bill, it's whether or not there's any avenues

1171
01:38:20,370 --> 01:38:29,070
for extra funding, whether we flow it to the province, decide, flows it or under agencies

1172
01:38:29,650 --> 01:38:37,150
look for funding for this. Not for their own use, but we have to get funding other agencies

1173
01:38:37,150 --> 01:38:42,810
on board in order to make this happen versus the way it's starting to sell.

1174
01:38:43,210 --> 01:38:47,760
Be a taxpayer. Thank you. Councillor Filman.

1175
01:38:47,760 --> 01:39:00,620
Thank you, Worship. Through you to the CAO, my question is previously when there was discussions about finding alternative location for the shelter.

1176
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:07,720
There seem to be a lot of pushback, specifically from Mishegawa tribal council.

1177
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:16,460
So, I'm curious, has there been any revisiting of that site on the shelter to potentially

1178
01:39:16,460 --> 01:39:25,820
do something for the encampment and living space? Are you able to comment on whether there's

1179
01:39:25,820 --> 01:39:27,700
been an appetite to revisit?

1180
01:39:31,170 --> 01:39:35,630
Unfortunately, I can't speak to any discussion about moving the shelter

1181
01:39:35,630 --> 01:39:40,750
itself. I haven't been involved in those so I'm sorry and just to fall

1182
01:39:40,750 --> 01:39:44,630
thank you for that but getting to the point at hand with the

1183
01:39:44,630 --> 01:39:50,130
encampment. At this time we can't really look at where we're getting the

1184
01:39:50,130 --> 01:39:58,790
funding. This has to be done. It's not desirable to have an open, you know an

1185
01:39:58,790 --> 01:40:02,890
open book or whatever else we want to get funding from somewhere but if not I

1186
01:40:02,890 --> 01:40:09,930
the residents deserve that and we'll just have to find a way to make that happen. I don't

1187
01:40:09,930 --> 01:40:15,730
think we can really waste more time trying to decide where we can get funding because as you

1188
01:40:15,730 --> 01:40:22,730
said it's just it hasn't come and the prospects of it coming are probably slim to none and that

1189
01:40:22,730 --> 01:40:30,890
would be my comment for my colleagues we have to find a way and I'd be in full support. I know

1190
01:40:30,890 --> 01:40:37,610
residents would be in full support of that expenditure if it provide it for a safe and

1191
01:40:39,210 --> 01:40:46,730
desirable location for foreign campments and to move them away from residential neighborhoods.

1192
01:40:51,660 --> 01:40:54,040
Any other questions or comments? So yes, Councillor Gistondidge.

1193
01:40:54,300 --> 01:40:59,670
Yeah, I think I think the CAO and his report hits it pretty pretty good.

1194
01:41:00,460 --> 01:41:04,820
Unless you move the shelter, okay? You need to move the shelter.

1195
01:41:04,820 --> 01:41:08,880
The public went into the McIntyre arena and said,

1196
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,620
get the shelter out of residential three years ago.

1197
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,180
Now, the went to D-Sab, D-Sab said

1198
01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:17,540
we're going to move the shelters, not as easy as it seems.

1199
01:41:18,260 --> 01:41:21,200
If you don't move the shelter, the report is correct.

1200
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:22,740
Everybody's going back to the same spot.

1201
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,440
So the best you're going to get away with, okay,

1202
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,460
is advancing that I and Megan discussed

1203
01:41:32,460 --> 01:41:41,840
and said, put a fence along there, okay, and protect those residents so that people can't climb over the fence you go through their yards.

1204
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:48,220
If we all of a sudden, I don't think we should allow in Catman's period.

1205
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:53,980
You move the shelter, make it bigger, there is no tents or lots of room in the shelter, but we haven't done that yet.

1206
01:41:54,500 --> 01:41:57,980
The problem is, they're going to go back to the same spot.

1207
01:41:57,980 --> 01:42:07,480
If you put it down pine street and say one site for encampments is something that we've

1208
01:42:07,480 --> 01:42:10,700
voted on, we agreed to, we just can't find that one site.

1209
01:42:11,580 --> 01:42:20,880
So if we put it down pine street, then we basically would be telling which is what the idea

1210
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:25,280
of one site is, is this is where you're going to go.

1211
01:42:26,220 --> 01:42:32,120
You're not going to put a tent anywhere, you feel like, because right now the way it seems

1212
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:35,840
in the city of Timons, it's almost like, and we've got to get away from that.

1213
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:43,180
We've got to start a changing routine of everybody where people think you can just come

1214
01:42:43,180 --> 01:42:49,280
to Timons and do whatever you want, do whatever you want, open drugs, set up a tent here,

1215
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:52,700
set up a tent there, like there's got to be something.

1216
01:42:52,700 --> 01:42:57,430
You know, I don't know if time streets the answer, we keep struggling with this.

1217
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:07,580
You know, I think it's at all, and I think we agree, maybe we don't agree. The shelter has to move.

1218
01:43:07,580 --> 01:43:13,100
If the shelter doesn't move, everybody goes back to the same spot. That's the routine.

1219
01:43:15,020 --> 01:43:20,420
You know, and, and, and, and, and I think I think about the funding when when when when

1220
01:43:20,420 --> 01:43:27,000
was on the D-SAB and the HPP funding that's there that you would think that the D-SAB,

1221
01:43:27,020 --> 01:43:35,300
one of that HPP funding, would give us some money for helping to clean up around there.

1222
01:43:35,540 --> 01:43:39,780
But no, that's unfortunate, but that's just the way it is.

1223
01:43:41,020 --> 01:43:44,780
But there is no resolution, okay?

1224
01:43:45,460 --> 01:43:52,540
You know, the bottom line is, is like I said, we can't just let people do whatever they feel like.

1225
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,660
There's people that are struggling out there, we get it.

1226
01:43:56,780 --> 01:44:05,020
But it's also seriously impacting the lives of people that are in that neighborhood and anywhere around there.

1227
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:10,640
But we haven't landed on anything yet. We haven't landed. So we have to mitigate the best we can.

1228
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:29,460
So if we require a resolution to put that fence up and pay for it so that these residents don't have to, you know, the tieback that you talked about that you don't have to look across and see what's going on or you fence off that area and don't allow tents there.

1229
01:44:30,460 --> 01:44:34,740
Those are our options, but there is no resolution on the table.

1230
01:44:34,740 --> 01:44:44,260
You know what I mean? We have nothing to vote on. There is a report, okay? I was going to bring a resolution a couple of meetings ago, but I didn't know if there was support.

1231
01:44:45,540 --> 01:44:53,700
So, and engaging the listening to the conversation, I still don't think there's support.

1232
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:58,160
So, you know, am I going to bring a resolution for fencing?

1233
01:44:58,560 --> 01:44:59,920
No one can't misperry it.

1234
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
Bring them out to Pine Street. This is something we got to work out together. Somehow, you know what I mean? Like we can't, we can't just let people that do whatever they feel like at the expense of, you know, and not like I said, understanding that it's not easy living in a tent either. I still don't think people should be living in a tent. I really don't think so. So, anyways, I just, I'm looking to see a resolution, but I think the best we can do for now is that that fencing to help the residents for now.

1235
01:45:31,220 --> 01:45:35,800
Councillor, any other questions or comments, come back to your Councillor Filman?

1236
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:41,760
Just to conclude, I know we have to move on, but respectfully, I don't really agree with

1237
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:46,140
my colleague's view that we're not in support, all I've heard is support around the

1238
01:45:46,140 --> 01:45:46,520
table.

1239
01:45:46,860 --> 01:45:52,060
If you want to bring a resolution, I know I would support it, and I haven't seen evidence

1240
01:45:52,060 --> 01:45:59,960
of not wanting to support a one-site for encampments and the shelter to move the shelter

1241
01:46:01,900 --> 01:46:09,620
to take all these steps. I haven't seen any wavering at the table. We just haven't, as you

1242
01:46:09,620 --> 01:46:14,220
said, gotten it done, but bring a resolution, and I know it would get support around the

1243
01:46:14,220 --> 01:46:21,160
table. And as the CAO stated, we can say this is where you put your tents, et cetera, but

1244
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:26,380
you state it yourself. Councilor goes on, which is that people are just going to go back

1245
01:46:26,380 --> 01:46:33,140
to where they're comfortable, and to manage and monitor that is going to be, you know,

1246
01:46:33,140 --> 01:46:38,780
what challenges has been to this state. So I did want to kind of take exception to saying

1247
01:46:38,780 --> 01:46:44,260
there was not support that, you know, you're not really sure where we stand. I know where

1248
01:46:44,260 --> 01:46:49,080
I stand, and it's to move this, and to get it done.

1249
01:46:49,980 --> 01:46:55,480
Well, just a point of information, if I can just respond, very simple, why do I have to

1250
01:46:55,480 --> 01:46:59,880
the resolution. Okay, I have resolutions on that. I have everything. I don't

1251
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:03,620
I have to bring it. Well, no, it's the point of information. I'm still

1252
01:47:03,620 --> 01:47:06,900
thinking of you. Just to clarify, you know what I mean? Why do I have to

1253
01:47:06,900 --> 01:47:10,080
break it? Thank you. Yeah, we're a council. Somebody else could. Thank you.

1254
01:47:10,340 --> 01:47:13,980
Council, it gets done. You're welcome. Are there any other comments?

1255
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:19,920
No. Okay. Well, I, I, yes,

1256
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:23,700
go ahead, Council. Just for clarification. Are we voting on this tonight?

1257
01:47:25,890 --> 01:47:26,010
For

1258
01:47:26,010 --> 01:47:31,950
There is no resolution that being said there has already been one item added to this agenda this evening

1259
01:47:31,950 --> 01:47:34,190
I don't see why we couldn't have another

1260
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:40,110
Okay, when would you like us to wait for notice emotions to request the two thirds required to do that?

1261
01:47:40,370 --> 01:47:48,810
No, we could do it following this discussion so if there is a desire to have a resolution added to the agenda that is something that can happen

1262
01:47:48,810 --> 01:47:54,450
So as I was going to stay, I was just going to clarify that around the HPP funding, since I

1263
01:47:54,450 --> 01:47:58,530
am the one that brought it up, and it was stated here around the table that the DSAP has not

1264
01:47:58,530 --> 01:48:03,030
given the City of Timons, any money of that HPP to help with the cleanup, and that is accurate,

1265
01:48:03,550 --> 01:48:08,130
but I do just want to clarify that the distribution of the HPP funding, the allocation

1266
01:48:08,130 --> 01:48:12,610
of HPP funding is done through an RFP process, and the City of Timons did not respond to the

1267
01:48:12,610 --> 01:48:18,010
RFP with a request for any support to help with the cleanup, so I just want to put that clarification

1268
01:48:18,010 --> 01:48:26,450
out there. That being said, Councillor Gistonna, and I do agree on one thing, that there is no ideal

1269
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:31,990
option presented in this report. And though we might want to continue looking at a potential

1270
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:38,650
designated location for an encampment site. In the meantime, I would support the installation of

1271
01:48:38,650 --> 01:48:45,810
a fence of fencing. As Councillor Filman mentioned, I believe there was support to the idea of

1272
01:48:45,810 --> 01:48:50,030
worrying that, I myself had asked if we could get costing,

1273
01:48:50,230 --> 01:48:52,250
if we had already asked for costing, or if we could get costing,

1274
01:48:52,410 --> 01:48:53,710
or I'm fancy, now that I see that here,

1275
01:48:53,710 --> 01:48:57,910
I see that this is definitely a low-cost mitigation measure

1276
01:48:57,910 --> 01:49:00,130
that we could put in place to just provide some

1277
01:49:00,130 --> 01:49:02,170
reprieve to the neighbors that are in that area,

1278
01:49:02,270 --> 01:49:04,470
because as we've all acknowledged, whether or not

1279
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:08,150
we designated in the cabinet site, there will still be a certain

1280
01:49:08,150 --> 01:49:10,830
level of activity happening in that lane way.

1281
01:49:11,550 --> 01:49:15,210
People pedestrian traffic going back and forth to the emergency

1282
01:49:15,210 --> 01:49:18,450
the shelter there. And so I would be in support of installing the

1283
01:49:18,450 --> 01:49:23,650
fencing behind the residences that are on that block on spruce. I'd

1284
01:49:23,650 --> 01:49:25,970
be in support of either one of the options that were presented here. They're

1285
01:49:25,970 --> 01:49:29,790
just the straight fencing with a walking path or the gates for each individual

1286
01:49:29,790 --> 01:49:34,370
property. And so that I think I would defer to what the residents prefer. And that

1287
01:49:34,370 --> 01:49:38,370
area, knowing that again, if we have it as an insight, there will still be activity

1288
01:49:38,370 --> 01:49:43,190
back there. If we decide to move forward with one of the sites presented here tonight,

1289
01:49:43,190 --> 01:49:47,030
and I should just mention that there is no resolution here because every time we've brought a

1290
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:50,330
resolution it hasn't gone any further and so rather than putting all the eggs on one

1291
01:49:50,330 --> 01:49:54,650
basket we wanted to talk. Have the discussion around council based on the information provided

1292
01:49:54,650 --> 01:50:02,250
in this report where we would like to take this item. So with that said, should we want to continue

1293
01:50:02,250 --> 01:50:06,630
to move forward with the designated site at one of the locations presented? I do believe that

1294
01:50:06,630 --> 01:50:11,530
if we're going to do that we should still consider installing the fencing behind those residences

1295
01:50:11,530 --> 01:50:12,570
on on stress.

1296
01:50:14,590 --> 01:50:19,110
With that being said, I've presented a few new ideas here, and so I can to open the floor

1297
01:50:19,110 --> 01:50:21,010
for further questions or comments.

1298
01:50:21,230 --> 01:50:21,870
Do you want to read the comments?

1299
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:22,390
Do you want to read the comments?

1300
01:50:23,110 --> 01:50:23,750
Go ahead.

1301
01:50:24,830 --> 01:50:24,990
Go ahead.

1302
01:50:24,990 --> 01:50:28,830
If you're interested, but I would just like to move that we designate the fine sheet location

1303
01:50:28,830 --> 01:50:37,890
as the albeit temporary one site in campus site for the spring summer of 2026, so that we

1304
01:50:37,890 --> 01:50:41,150
can enact and follow our bylaws as required

1305
01:50:42,270 --> 01:50:45,310
and that we proceed with the fence as mentioned.

1306
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:50,360
I see with the fences as well.

1307
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:51,800
I'm sure they're building up.

1308
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:58,050
Yes.

1309
01:50:58,050 --> 01:50:59,410
Why should you self-location?

1310
01:51:04,370 --> 01:51:06,430
I'm not real self-located with the installation of fence.

1311
01:51:11,390 --> 01:51:14,770
Knowing that we might have some minor editing to do

1312
01:51:14,770 --> 01:51:16,970
to the wording here of the resolution.

1313
01:51:17,190 --> 01:51:18,790
I'll ask if there is a seconder.

1314
01:51:19,710 --> 01:51:21,150
Seconded, Guy Councilor Curley.

1315
01:51:22,590 --> 01:51:31,290
And this is to add this resolution to tonight's agenda, of course, so if the resolution could be read, as you noted it, and then of course, we could refine it if necessary.

1316
01:51:33,170 --> 01:51:33,670
Thank you, Worship.

1317
01:51:34,590 --> 01:51:42,370
A resolution needs to be resolved that council designate the fine street self location as the temporary encampment site and that fencing be installed behind living space in the lean way.

1318
01:51:43,810 --> 01:51:49,490
So the resolution for our consideration is actually a motion to add that resolution to tonight's agenda.

1319
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:53,630
That was moved by Councillor Black and secreted by Councillor Curley.

1320
01:51:54,810 --> 01:51:58,430
And so all in favor of adding the resolution to tonight's agenda.

1321
01:51:59,570 --> 01:52:02,690
Okay, that's carried unanimously, so we will add that as item.

1322
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:13,560
Okay, let's go ahead and just consider the resolution.

1323
01:52:13,740 --> 01:52:16,440
Now that we're already added here, we're the item.

1324
01:52:17,480 --> 01:52:19,160
Thank you for that suggestion, Mr. Palmer,

1325
01:52:21,550 --> 01:52:23,970
so we've heard the resolution.

1326
01:52:24,370 --> 01:52:27,590
We will now require a mover and a seconder for that resolution, now that it's been

1327
01:52:27,590 --> 01:52:29,970
and that's moved by Councillor Black and Secretary of State by Councillor...

1328
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,400
I guess on a pitch. Is there any discussion on the resolution?

1329
01:52:34,340 --> 01:52:40,740
Councillor Lee Sam? Thank you. We're just a few questions, though. If we do go with Pine Street, is there a cost to

1330
01:52:40,740 --> 01:52:45,660
moving people back and forth? Is there a security issues? Are we responsible for anything that

1331
01:52:45,660 --> 01:52:51,820
happens on that site? Because Council has decided that this is a campsite. Are we putting ourselves

1332
01:52:51,820 --> 01:52:58,700
in jeopardy by not having any control? Any way of transportation or any responsibility of what we've

1333
01:52:58,700 --> 01:53:00,860
decided to put these people in this location.

1334
01:53:01,500 --> 01:53:03,680
So that's just a question before we make this vote.

1335
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,820
I'm not in favor without any of those costings

1336
01:53:06,820 --> 01:53:08,280
or those responsibilities.

1337
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:10,740
So I think it would be those questions

1338
01:53:10,740 --> 01:53:12,780
that we should be answering before we decide

1339
01:53:12,780 --> 01:53:15,000
this is where the encampment is going

1340
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,260
without having any of the responsibilities

1341
01:53:17,260 --> 01:53:20,440
that we've made to decide on this location.

1342
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:25,500
Thank you, Councillor Riseum.

1343
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:26,860
And I'm going to go to Councillor Murray.

1344
01:53:28,900 --> 01:53:29,460
Thank you.

1345
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:37,420
Yeah, I just, I really think that residents deserve predictability, rules, accountability,

1346
01:53:38,940 --> 01:53:42,660
designated site, does allow for enforcement, monitoring, and clear expectations.

1347
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:46,500
Some things that don't exist in unmanaged contaminants.

1348
01:53:46,620 --> 01:53:48,020
So I think that's sort of where my thoughts are.

1349
01:53:48,180 --> 01:53:50,960
But certainly appreciate what Councillor Wasell shared as well.

1350
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,400
I think that adds to the conversation.

1351
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:56,620
So I think, curious to hear what other people are going to say as well.

1352
01:53:56,700 --> 01:54:00,580
But I think residents, certainly in the area right now,

1353
01:54:00,580 --> 01:54:07,280
where we do see a lot of tents, have endured quite a lot.

1354
01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:11,080
And thinking about other areas of our city

1355
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:14,400
and what the impact could be to other parts of the city

1356
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:16,720
if we decide to just move it from one place to next.

1357
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:18,940
So I'm a little bit reluctant to do that,

1358
01:54:19,580 --> 01:54:22,500
but curious to hear what other people have to share as well.

1359
01:54:25,170 --> 01:54:25,730
Councillor Convint.

1360
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:28,670
Thank you, Your Worship and Councillor Rosal is correct,

1361
01:54:28,850 --> 01:54:32,450
which is why I think even if we do pass the resolution,

1362
01:54:32,450 --> 01:54:36,990
Okay, it's going to be that, you know, we're going to put the fence up.

1363
01:54:37,090 --> 01:54:42,090
We know people are going to still have tents up in behind a living space.

1364
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:49,390
But in the meantime, we're going to transition into the pine street location because we're

1365
01:54:49,390 --> 01:54:53,250
making a decision to say if you're going to have tents, this is where it's going to be.

1366
01:54:53,710 --> 01:54:56,090
And we're not going to come down with an iron fist right away.

1367
01:54:56,410 --> 01:55:01,130
We're going to take time to find out, you know what you're talking about, but we're going

1368
01:55:01,130 --> 01:55:10,050
transition into a one site. So that's what I'm looking at in terms of, because like I said,

1369
01:55:10,150 --> 01:55:13,930
we are going to put defense there. We know there's going to be people. This isn't going

1370
01:55:13,930 --> 01:55:21,390
to happen April 1st or May 1st. It's going to take a while, I think, before we can transition

1371
01:55:22,230 --> 01:55:27,810
people into that kind of setting. So I have no problem beginning the process. I don't know

1372
01:55:27,810 --> 01:55:29,350
if we have to amend the resolution.

1373
01:55:30,330 --> 01:55:33,150
But I think it's finally a step in the right direction, finally.

1374
01:55:33,690 --> 01:55:36,330
But just some kind of things to work out, like he said.

1375
01:55:37,410 --> 01:55:42,330
We're not, I don't know if Councillor Black wants to amend the resolution, but this

1376
01:55:42,330 --> 01:55:43,530
is not an overnight thing.

1377
01:55:43,570 --> 01:55:50,070
This is a transition working with the agencies, knowing that this is going to happen,

1378
01:55:50,350 --> 01:55:51,310
get ready for it.

1379
01:55:51,370 --> 01:55:52,630
We have now made a decision.

1380
01:55:53,210 --> 01:55:57,570
So if you want to put a timeline on it, an amendment, then if that's going to satisfy

1381
01:55:57,570 --> 01:56:05,050
people, whether it's 90 days or 120 days. And if we don't accomplish those goals within 120

1382
01:56:05,050 --> 01:56:10,530
days or 90 days, then it comes back to this table for further consideration. That's, I think

1383
01:56:10,530 --> 01:56:15,090
that would appease this council. What's else, maybe? A little bit? That we're not doing this like

1384
01:56:15,090 --> 01:56:19,270
just, right away. I wouldn't, I wouldn't vote in support of that. So what's important is that the

1385
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:23,410
resolution, as it reads, says that we are designating that site. And so we might want to consider

1386
01:56:23,410 --> 01:56:31,310
the wording around this in this resolution, if we want to clarify around, you know, dates,

1387
01:56:32,270 --> 01:56:37,230
but it will take effect, or if we want to clarify that we're identifying the site for a designated

1388
01:56:37,230 --> 01:56:41,550
site, rather than designating the site, those are all things to consider. I'll come back to

1389
01:56:41,550 --> 01:56:48,110
Councillor Black Go ahead. Thank you, Your Worship. We've been at this for three years through

1390
01:56:48,110 --> 01:56:55,230
multiple iterations. Last December meeting, we were told there's, I don't know what the number was,

1391
01:56:55,350 --> 01:57:03,050
but I think it was over 30 partner agencies at the table, over 60, maybe. However many there are

1392
01:57:03,050 --> 01:57:10,830
many partner agencies that are committed to making a one-site solution working many agencies that

1393
01:57:10,830 --> 01:57:14,930
recognize that they don't want encampments popping up

1394
01:57:14,930 --> 01:57:22,070
in parks and streets and laneways and for multiple safety.

1395
01:57:22,270 --> 01:57:23,250
There are going to be cost involved.

1396
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:25,430
There are costs involved with this issue now.

1397
01:57:25,590 --> 01:57:29,730
We have endured costs cleaning up taking care of facilities,

1398
01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:32,430
sending by-laws, sending police, sending fire,

1399
01:57:33,090 --> 01:57:35,390
to all these sites for three years.

1400
01:57:35,390 --> 01:57:50,350
And in addition to that, we have had residents share numerous stories with the burdens that they have faced, whether it be, you know, people in their yards, people doing things in the yards, people defecating in their yards.

1401
01:57:51,590 --> 01:58:01,570
So I am prepared to move on this. I understand that there are going to be fall-up reports that are going to say, hey, if you want to consider a transportation service, here's the cost of a transportation service.

1402
01:58:01,570 --> 01:58:11,330
Hey, if you want to consider the security or anything else there, there are going to be additional costs and additional reports that council is going to have to vote on whether they do it or not.

1403
01:58:11,670 --> 01:58:19,710
However, what this accomplishes tonight is a dedicated site that will stop the random popping up in any laneway and anyone's yard.

1404
01:58:20,090 --> 01:58:28,090
I don't know how many businesses have called me in the last two years and they've had fires up against the structures because people have had tents up against the structures and started fires to stay warm.

1405
01:58:28,670 --> 01:58:36,470
So, I would like to move on this, and I would request a recorded vote, to me, it's time

1406
01:58:36,470 --> 01:58:38,090
to take our residents in some way that long enough.

1407
01:58:38,250 --> 01:58:40,650
I understand there's going to be cost, and that's going to come out of cost of residents

1408
01:58:40,650 --> 01:58:41,450
as well.

1409
01:58:43,590 --> 01:58:49,930
They cost of a loss of life of having a fire started beside some person's residents or

1410
01:58:49,930 --> 01:58:56,550
business, where they sleep as well, through no fault of their own, the only fault being

1411
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:59,970
we couldn't take action over the course of three years. I'm not well in the live with that anymore.

1412
01:59:00,570 --> 01:59:05,070
It's time for us to move on with this and I agree with fellow council members that

1413
01:59:05,070 --> 01:59:09,990
shelter relocation has to remain on the table. This is not that issue tonight. This is taking

1414
01:59:09,990 --> 01:59:15,850
a step in the right direction to solve the free roaming encampments set up anywhere in our city that

1415
01:59:15,850 --> 01:59:21,750
has existed for many years and needs to come to an end with a dedicated site. So I would request

1416
01:59:21,750 --> 01:59:22,970
to record it, but tonight.

1417
01:59:24,430 --> 01:59:27,390
Well, are there any other questions or comments around?

1418
01:59:27,870 --> 01:59:28,750
Well, I don't.

1419
01:59:28,830 --> 01:59:29,510
Just a question.

1420
01:59:29,510 --> 01:59:32,450
I'm looking around the room to see if anyone is raising their hand

1421
01:59:32,450 --> 01:59:33,990
to be able to speak at this moment.

1422
01:59:38,260 --> 01:59:39,020
Councillor Custone of it.

1423
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:40,440
You still have a reason to send that.

1424
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:42,380
OK, yeah, very little or go ahead.

1425
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:45,640
So what I'm just a question to Councillor Blacks.

1426
01:59:45,900 --> 01:59:50,280
So if we do this now, should we not put,

1427
01:59:50,300 --> 01:59:53,420
are you open to a friendly amendment for like 90 days?

1428
01:59:53,420 --> 01:59:56,880
because I mean, what's that?

1429
02:00:02,680 --> 02:00:27,040
So, thank you. This is the way the discussion is supposed to be taking place where we're finally maybe agreeing on something and you're limiting our ability to like a question through you to the CAO. If we pass this tonight, okay, how long before that site is ready, you got to clear trees correct?

1430
02:00:27,660 --> 02:00:29,160
Is it even our right?

1431
02:00:29,260 --> 02:00:30,040
Is it on a bit?

1432
02:00:30,140 --> 02:00:30,800
Question three.

1433
02:00:30,980 --> 02:00:32,600
Can you please turn your microphone off?

1434
02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:33,780
You no longer have the floor.

1435
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:34,220
Why?

1436
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:36,140
It's a question through.

1437
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:37,020
Thank you.

1438
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:39,660
And I'm not actually going to give the floor to Mr.

1439
02:00:39,700 --> 02:00:40,740
Lenders at this moment.

1440
02:00:41,120 --> 02:00:44,020
I just want to take control back of this conversation a little bit

1441
02:00:44,020 --> 02:00:46,180
because now discussion is happening with

1442
02:00:46,180 --> 02:00:49,240
people being called on and having the floor appropriately.

1443
02:00:50,020 --> 02:00:52,420
So I would just like us to slow this down a little bit

1444
02:00:52,420 --> 02:00:55,500
so that we know who's turned it actually is to speak.

1445
02:00:55,500 --> 02:00:57,400
because there's a lot of back-and-forth that's happening.

1446
02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:00,060
This is indirected to anyone personally.

1447
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:02,440
Well, yeah, it is, actually, to be honest.

1448
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:03,760
I raise my hands, so.

1449
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:09,380
I think what the concerns are is that without a plan,

1450
02:01:09,540 --> 02:01:11,740
that's been developed for one of these sites.

1451
02:01:12,740 --> 02:01:15,260
The other questions about, are we opening ourselves up

1452
02:01:15,260 --> 02:01:15,840
to liability?

1453
02:01:16,100 --> 02:01:20,000
Who's responsible if an incident occurs on that site?

1454
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:21,460
Chetara, Chetara.

1455
02:01:22,220 --> 02:01:24,440
The reason there wasn't a resolution on tonight's agenda

1456
02:01:24,440 --> 02:01:30,840
was because staff was looking for direction on which one of these options to continue to advance,

1457
02:01:31,180 --> 02:01:35,760
which one of these options for which option do we develop the operational plan?

1458
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:40,620
How do we get to a point where we can be telling people that this is a site that they could

1459
02:01:40,620 --> 02:01:45,760
be utilizing for encampments? Because as Councilor Guest Onovitch acknowledged, it's not tomorrow.

1460
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:51,580
That site is not ready for us to have as the designated encampments site without, in my opinion,

1461
02:01:51,580 --> 02:01:53,060
And this is where I have questions

1462
02:01:53,060 --> 02:01:55,280
without opening ourselves up to liability.

1463
02:01:56,480 --> 02:02:00,040
And so I would tend to agree that perhaps rather than

1464
02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:02,020
designated the site with a resolution tonight

1465
02:02:02,020 --> 02:02:04,320
without putting any kind of parameters, details

1466
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:09,300
around effective dates around operational plans

1467
02:02:09,740 --> 02:02:12,740
that we might end up encountering some issues.

1468
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:15,720
And so I do agree that we might want to consider

1469
02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:18,160
amending this resolution if it's not actually meeting

1470
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:20,360
the purposes or answering all of the questions

1471
02:02:20,360 --> 02:02:48,860
that we have. Not suggesting that we slow this down. I'm recognizing that spring is here. I'm just saying that rather than identifying this, well, I don't know. I don't know if we does it doesn't need this site and tomorrow people are being told that this is the site can utilize for a command if we then open ourselves up to liability or for the risks. So that is a concern of mine with moving forward. I do want to see that site. That fence go up.

1472
02:02:48,860 --> 02:02:53,040
I personally wanted to see a little bit more information about how we can make the Pine Street

1473
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:59,520
self-location work if that's the preferred location from council. This resolution however isn't

1474
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:03,780
doing that. And so I just want to share my concerns that have been voiced by some other

1475
02:03:03,780 --> 02:03:08,440
counselors that I don't know if I can support this resolution as it's written. Simply because right now

1476
02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:13,780
as it's written, it states that as soon as this resolution's passed, that is now or designated

1477
02:03:13,780 --> 02:03:18,860
it in camp and say, and I'm not sure what that means for the miscellity at this time.

1478
02:03:19,620 --> 02:03:20,440
Councillor Gistard on it.

1479
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:25,440
I'm going to tell you what it means as soon as we've hold on it, if there's enough votes,

1480
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:30,180
administration has identified a site, and we're going to say that's the site.

1481
02:03:30,580 --> 02:03:35,060
Now if administration comes back at the next council meeting and says, oh, that's not

1482
02:03:35,060 --> 02:03:36,780
good anymore, then we'll deal with it.

1483
02:03:36,900 --> 02:03:40,820
But tonight we're, we're, we're designating that as the in-campments site.

1484
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:48,340
Let's all. It can't go on spruce tree site because there's-

1485
02:03:48,340 --> 02:03:50,180
I'll give the Florida Council, Curly. Thank you, Councillor Gostana.

1486
02:03:50,440 --> 02:03:52,620
Okay, thank you. Thank you for cutting me off.

1487
02:03:53,180 --> 02:03:55,940
Thank you for- so the Pine Street one, yes.

1488
02:03:56,500 --> 02:04:00,760
The Fencing is a little concerning because we just saved with the footfencing.

1489
02:04:01,540 --> 02:04:05,900
Obviously, it's how we're going to defend seeing end with the people that live there.

1490
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:08,200
One thing is put a fence down under back of the yard.

1491
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:12,340
But I mean, they parked their vehicles on a sport that

1492
02:04:12,340 --> 02:04:13,300
makes special.

1493
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:18,320
It all has to be looked at, that's something that you try to

1494
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:20,060
figure out in your head and it's very difficult.

1495
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:24,340
And even for the residents, is how they would like a

1496
02:04:24,340 --> 02:04:30,260
fence put in their back yard and gating for them to

1497
02:04:30,260 --> 02:04:33,100
access their backyard, park in their vehicle.

1498
02:04:33,460 --> 02:04:35,680
So there's a little bit more to it than just saying we're going

1499
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:36,480
to put a fence there.

1500
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:44,600
What they can enter basically was the report is to do a site location, so I have no problem

1501
02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:52,080
moving forward with the site location, allowing a administration to go out there and come back in a couple of weeks

1502
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:55,520
time and reporting if anything any problems.

1503
02:04:57,160 --> 02:05:01,740
So your desire is then that we identify this as the preferred site and have staff come back

1504
02:05:01,740 --> 02:05:03,760
with information as to how to move forward.

1505
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:04,280
Now,

1506
02:05:07,890 --> 02:05:10,090
I'm sorry, I'm asking a question to Councillor Curley.

1507
02:05:14,780 --> 02:05:19,880
To identify it as the site, would you want information coming back from staff on how it would happen?

1508
02:05:26,940 --> 02:05:29,140
Well, I'm not convinced that's what this resolution is doing.

1509
02:05:31,310 --> 02:05:34,750
But with that, I'll see if there are any other comments or questions around the table.

1510
02:05:37,910 --> 02:05:41,290
Okay, so there is a question that we reread the resolution if it can be reread the case.

1511
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:44,640
Thank you, Worship.

1512
02:05:44,820 --> 02:05:49,020
Beat resolve the Council designate the Pine Street sub-location as the temporary encampment site

1513
02:05:49,020 --> 02:05:51,660
and that fencing being stolen, but I'd living space in the winery.

1514
02:05:56,220 --> 02:06:01,760
I would like to request the friendly amendment that with the clause pertaining to fencing

1515
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:04,920
that we do identify as per

1516
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:11,000
the appendices in this report, and so that it be clear that we're

1517
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:15,220
not talking about fencing across the whole laneway behind the living space, but just that one

1518
02:06:15,220 --> 02:06:18,900
segment of the block that was identified in those appendices,

1519
02:06:26,590 --> 02:06:32,730
as per appendices in the

1520
02:06:32,730 --> 02:06:44,450
or following consultation with residents because to your point council curly in the report there are two options presented as to how we can do the

1521
02:06:44,450 --> 02:06:53,150
Fencing and not being gates at each property or allowing for enough space for vehicles to still access through the back and so those considerations were taken in for account.

1522
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:00,640
Okay, having heard the resolution

1523
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:01,800
council

1524
02:07:02,900 --> 02:07:11,220
Thank you should we separate it because I won't be in favor of the location. I'm in favor of defencing but I would not be supporting the location with

1525
02:07:11,220 --> 02:07:16,160
without having more information on where responsibility of setting people out there, without

1526
02:07:17,340 --> 02:07:23,220
anything, anything, any information supplied to me till we have that location set up with

1527
02:07:23,220 --> 02:07:23,720
the report.

1528
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:29,320
If we just vote though, that would kill the fencing option.

1529
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:36,780
If the resolution remains as it's red, because no, I'm sorry, if it's voted, if it's defeated, what I'm hearing is that.

1530
02:07:36,780 --> 02:07:38,760
If it's approved, then.

1531
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:40,660
Thank you very much.

1532
02:07:43,090 --> 02:07:50,330
So there was a question. If you're not going to move to amend the resolution, then we will call the question and I'll hand that over to Mr. Palmitir.

1533
02:07:50,430 --> 02:07:50,970
Go ahead.

1534
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:58,940
Thank you, Worship. Council of Black. In favor. Council of Curly. In favor.

1535
02:07:59,240 --> 02:08:05,800
Council of Feldman. In favor. Council of Goods on of it. In favor. Council of Murray. In favor. Council of

1536
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:08,360
Westell. Against. Your Worship.

1537
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:14,080
In favor. Motion's carried. Six one.

1538
02:08:27,380 --> 02:08:28,380
This one final item

1539
02:08:28,380 --> 02:08:32,740
here under presentations and reports. It was the audit item being five L. A discussion

1540
02:08:32,740 --> 02:08:36,740
around and wasn't quite clear, went to response,

1541
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:38,700
response to winter events.

1542
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:41,360
I'll hand this one over to Councillor Custone of it.

1543
02:08:41,500 --> 02:08:43,760
Okay, thank you, your worship, I'll make it very clear.

1544
02:08:45,340 --> 02:08:51,340
So I think for me, you know, we've, we've, we've, we had that storm in December.

1545
02:08:51,900 --> 02:08:53,200
We just had 30 centimeters.

1546
02:08:53,980 --> 02:08:55,880
We had more snow today.

1547
02:08:57,680 --> 02:08:59,580
There's more snow coming tomorrow.

1548
02:08:59,580 --> 02:09:11,480
we've never seen nothing like this, okay? And, you know, the city does a good job of putting

1549
02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:18,240
everything on Facebook, but I think it's time that the public hears from their local elected

1550
02:09:18,240 --> 02:09:28,980
officials if they so choose. When you have that much snow, okay? And we've never seen

1551
02:09:28,980 --> 02:09:34,460
You know what I mean? Like it's like our snow dumps are full. There's nowhere else to put it. People

1552
02:09:35,720 --> 02:09:42,400
In their own yards or whatever, they have nowhere to put it. Okay, this is unprecedented. So

1553
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:48,920
I think I think what it is is I think we just have to give people a heads up that

1554
02:09:48,920 --> 02:09:51,380
Everybody is frustrated, okay?

1555
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:55,520
But we have to keep in mind that there are roads to do

1556
02:09:56,540 --> 02:10:02,160
sidewalks to do, hydrants to do, and then you got water breaks on top of that, and then you

1557
02:10:02,160 --> 02:10:10,060
got pod holes on top of that, and you combine that with the fact that we have trouble getting

1558
02:10:10,060 --> 02:10:17,180
workers like everybody else. You look at transit on Facebook, they had to cancel a couple of

1559
02:10:17,180 --> 02:10:23,960
roots, do two shortage of drivers. So that's a challenge that we have to overcome, okay?

1560
02:10:24,620 --> 02:10:27,380
And, you know, we appreciate the work that's being done.

1561
02:10:27,380 --> 02:10:34,440
We appreciate the patience of the residents, and I think the next six weeks, four to six

1562
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:38,800
weeks where the weather getting milder, it's going to be very tricky for us.

1563
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:41,020
Because you've got tons of snow.

1564
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:42,220
Where do you put it?

1565
02:10:42,340 --> 02:10:43,920
You've got pod holes coming.

1566
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:45,460
You've got water breaks coming.

1567
02:10:45,940 --> 02:10:52,280
As long as the public understands, everybody is doing the best that they can, this is unprecedented.

1568
02:10:52,280 --> 02:11:00,000
But when I brought the report forward that we're going to get in June saying that if this is the norm,

1569
02:11:00,940 --> 02:11:08,020
then we're going to have to come up with a strategy moving forward to deal with this kind of stuff.

1570
02:11:08,360 --> 02:11:09,420
But this is unprecedented.

1571
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:15,500
And I wanted a chance, you know, like I mean, I've been frustrated.

1572
02:11:16,080 --> 02:11:18,120
I've been driving the administration nuts.

1573
02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:48,100
Okay, I understand it, but now I'm understanding the whole, you know, the whole picture and, you know, I had it on the agenda for last meeting and then I kind of, or maybe it was this meeting, but I pulled it off and I said, no, I think we need to hear from every member of council and the mayor can speak and say this is this one's tricky, this one is that's that's that you look out your window and that's a ton of snow, okay, so that's those are my comments and I welcome in the other comments.

1574
02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:49,080
Thank you, Oursham.

1575
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:52,880
Thank you.

1576
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:54,880
Does anyone have any questions for clarification?

1577
02:11:55,260 --> 02:11:55,980
Any comments?

1578
02:11:56,460 --> 02:11:57,040
Councillor Curley.

1579
02:11:59,370 --> 02:11:59,570
Thank you.

1580
02:12:00,590 --> 02:12:02,190
The head has been tough here.

1581
02:12:02,810 --> 02:12:05,330
It just looked like we're getting caught up the street to get wide.

1582
02:12:06,470 --> 02:12:09,430
The crews are out there and hauled out of no idea.

1583
02:12:09,790 --> 02:12:13,150
I think we've lost count on how many loads to the dump.

1584
02:12:13,270 --> 02:12:14,070
I knew it used to be.

1585
02:12:14,190 --> 02:12:15,790
I think a weekly report.

1586
02:12:15,970 --> 02:12:21,350
I think we've given up on how many loads are actually being hauled out here and trying to find

1587
02:12:21,350 --> 02:12:26,630
new sites where to put the snow. So they've done a good job in that regard. Of course,

1588
02:12:26,710 --> 02:12:32,050
the extras snow is given to say shoes and of course we have to be open to catch

1589
02:12:32,050 --> 02:12:37,170
basins and it just keeps on going and of course now on the whole season of definitely

1590
02:12:38,270 --> 02:12:39,110
taking place.

1591
02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:47,160
So I guess going forward, I know there's a little schedule a lot or the unfortunate

1592
02:12:47,160 --> 02:12:50,760
part is to, is the push schedule, let's say what's going to get done and then we get snow.

1593
02:12:50,760 --> 02:12:53,180
And then we, that has to get altered as well.

1594
02:12:53,700 --> 02:13:02,080
So I don't know if there is any crystal ball out there saying we're going to do X-Street on Friday

1595
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:07,540
because we get a stonestorm and it changes itself around.

1596
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:11,180
So I don't know if we could put more information.

1597
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:19,640
I know on our Facebook page that Amanda puts the notices out there that's information given

1598
02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:26,560
to hurt a post on there we have if we can possible put more out there because your

1599
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:31,460
everybody probably is getting calls while yourself getting calls what's going to happen

1600
02:13:31,460 --> 02:13:36,820
next and where are you going next all sorts of issues about the snow and it is getting

1601
02:13:36,820 --> 02:13:43,500
narrow. Streets that were wide two weeks ago are now down to the one and a half lanes so

1602
02:13:43,500 --> 02:13:49,460
it's where it's going to go next are we going to be using in the next little while I

1603
02:13:49,460 --> 02:13:50,260
So it's going to melt.

1604
02:13:50,460 --> 02:13:52,080
It's supposed to melt this year,

1605
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:55,120
more contractors.

1606
02:13:55,900 --> 02:13:56,200
We did.

1607
02:13:56,360 --> 02:13:57,340
We were fortunate for a while.

1608
02:13:57,520 --> 02:13:58,820
We put in a number of contractors.

1609
02:13:59,680 --> 02:14:03,140
I believe our budget for snow removal,

1610
02:14:05,480 --> 02:14:09,280
that was eaten up probably by Groundhog Day.

1611
02:14:10,120 --> 02:14:16,280
But what are we going to be doing going forward financially?

1612
02:14:16,300 --> 02:14:17,320
We have to keep going.

1613
02:14:17,320 --> 02:14:20,780
regardless of the cost, but contractors are obviously

1614
02:14:21,400 --> 02:14:25,380
several of our saviors here, and now we're going to continue going

1615
02:14:25,380 --> 02:14:26,600
down that pathway.

1616
02:14:31,020 --> 02:14:35,520
These are a lot of additional questions that are being managed by

1617
02:14:35,520 --> 02:14:39,480
relevant departments. So I'm not sure if there's specific information that we're looking

1618
02:14:39,480 --> 02:14:41,860
for, we can request that in the form of a report.

1619
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:48,480
I wouldn't want to start high-poiled the sizing around what's going to happen next.

1620
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:51,480
We would have to request that information from staff so that it could be

1621
02:14:53,620 --> 02:14:57,260
right to provide us with the additional information.

1622
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:00,180
And

1623
02:15:02,420 --> 02:15:13,940
so, essentially, I'm leaving it to operations and if they tell us that we need more contractors, which I know is a challenge and not, you know, on our end, but on the contractors end, there are availability.

1624
02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:23,360
If there's anything more that's needed, I would assume that staff, I know that staff will come forward with those reports for additional required requests for additional resources.

1625
02:15:23,500 --> 02:15:29,460
But in terms of what do we do going forward after this season, we do have the report already coming at the end of June.

1626
02:15:29,460 --> 02:15:38,190
Councillor Comin. Thank you, Ourship. I had a question about the resolution or the

1627
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:46,220
for the correspondence about the presentation. I mean, I didn't know it was about making

1628
02:15:46,220 --> 02:15:53,580
suggestions on what administration should do with snow removal. I'm not sure what Councillor

1629
02:15:53,580 --> 02:15:55,580
Resonovich is asking us, he's not here.

1630
02:15:55,740 --> 02:16:00,400
Maybe when he comes back, I understood or I heard that it

1631
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:04,360
wasn't enough for administration and the communications

1632
02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:06,340
department to put things on Facebook.

1633
02:16:06,700 --> 02:16:08,920
It was what can we do as counselors.

1634
02:16:09,740 --> 02:16:13,280
So I want to keep the conversation along those lines,

1635
02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:15,120
because that's what was raised.

1636
02:16:15,700 --> 02:16:18,660
It wasn't really a question on what we should be doing

1637
02:16:18,660 --> 02:16:19,560
about snow removal.

1638
02:16:20,120 --> 02:16:23,220
We're trying to do what should be done about snow removal.

1639
02:16:24,340 --> 02:16:29,160
So I'm just wondering, like, should there be a talent hall with the counselors there?

1640
02:16:29,660 --> 02:16:34,760
Like, I know counselor because on a bitch isn't here, but my question is about what was raised,

1641
02:16:35,180 --> 02:16:41,320
not about reopening what has been a very halacious winter.

1642
02:16:41,740 --> 02:16:45,080
So I just want to know what's being asked.

1643
02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:45,620
I'll do it.

1644
02:16:45,620 --> 02:16:48,540
I mean, if they're saying, be out there,

1645
02:16:48,720 --> 02:16:50,920
let's schedule a town hall with all the counselors.

1646
02:16:51,300 --> 02:16:52,780
I'll do it if it can help.

1647
02:16:53,220 --> 02:16:57,480
But I don't have the answers to how we can kind of defeat

1648
02:16:57,480 --> 02:17:00,560
snow arm again, and I don't think anyone does.

1649
02:17:01,080 --> 02:17:02,900
So that's, I just want to have a question

1650
02:17:02,900 --> 02:17:07,440
with the author of this item.

1651
02:17:07,480 --> 02:17:09,140
For respondents, isn't here right now.

1652
02:17:09,540 --> 02:17:10,100
And so that's it.

1653
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:13,300
We don't have any material before us for consideration.

1654
02:17:13,960 --> 02:17:16,620
We don't have the discussion points before us.

1655
02:17:16,620 --> 02:17:21,260
And so I think this really was just to be raised as an open-ended discussion, but of course

1656
02:17:21,260 --> 02:17:27,920
we do have agenda items that are before us that were prepared for consideration with resolutions

1657
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:29,040
for consideration.

1658
02:17:29,220 --> 02:17:30,540
So we will have to move on in the agenda.

1659
02:17:30,680 --> 02:17:33,220
So go ahead, Councillor Black, and then we'll go on to the next items.

1660
02:17:33,860 --> 02:17:34,600
Thank you, Oarsha.

1661
02:17:36,420 --> 02:17:38,900
And I know this may not be a popular comment.

1662
02:17:39,700 --> 02:17:42,780
Given the winter we've had it, I think staff has done an excellent job.

1663
02:17:44,540 --> 02:17:49,860
Obviously, there's areas where things could be better if we had more equipment, if we had,

1664
02:17:50,540 --> 02:17:58,360
you know, a dozen mines in the neighborhood that weren't paying 50 to 100% more than we pay.

1665
02:17:58,420 --> 02:18:00,280
And we're going to track all the staff that we wanted.

1666
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:02,160
It's a challenge.

1667
02:18:02,540 --> 02:18:06,120
So I do appreciate the report that's going to come in the coming months,

1668
02:18:06,420 --> 02:18:10,960
so how we strategize for next year and if we need to change our strategy a little bit when it comes to contracting

1669
02:18:11,700 --> 02:18:26,860
outer or in and and how that's handled. My biggest concern is this used sucked for snow and general snow removal and it's not a fault or blame that I'm saying it's just we've had a lot of snow. The fence in my backyard is buried.

1670
02:18:27,700 --> 02:18:29,940
I haven't seen that before.

1671
02:18:32,100 --> 02:18:42,420
My biggest concern is this is very quickly going to turn to not how do we get rid of snow to a much bigger issue, which is the water and flooding control that's going to come.

1672
02:18:43,080 --> 02:18:48,240
So that's my concern for the coming months. I heard about it. We had one day of melt there a week ago.

1673
02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:55,060
And I've had numerous residents reach out to me telling me they had water and their basements from that partial melt we had.

1674
02:18:55,060 --> 02:18:57,120
It is not going to be a pleasant spring.

1675
02:18:57,980 --> 02:19:04,100
And I guess my only asker or favor of staff is to please try and help those residents

1676
02:19:04,100 --> 02:19:08,380
that are in problem areas in any way we can, whether that be so removal from the area,

1677
02:19:11,160 --> 02:19:14,320
or healthy with sandbags or whatever we can do to help protect those properties.

1678
02:19:14,320 --> 02:19:17,280
It is not going to be a pleasant spring, and we know where the problem areas are.

1679
02:19:17,400 --> 02:19:22,520
So I'm just asking that if we have resources available, do whatever we can to help those residents

1680
02:19:22,520 --> 02:19:26,160
to protect their properties and shield the flooding that is going to come in the problem areas.

1681
02:19:28,830 --> 02:19:30,190
Thank you.

1682
02:19:31,030 --> 02:19:33,990
So with that, we'll close that discussion.

1683
02:19:34,350 --> 02:19:35,470
Before moving on to correspondence,

1684
02:19:35,830 --> 02:19:38,630
though, I will request that we take a five minute break.

1685
02:19:38,950 --> 02:19:41,590
And so if we could reconvene at 7.55, please.

1686
02:19:43,640 --> 02:19:46,480
Okay, it's now 7.55 and I'll call the meeting.

1687
02:19:46,800 --> 02:19:47,760
Back to order, please.

1688
02:19:48,480 --> 02:19:48,500
Okay.

1689
02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:53,380
So we're now at correspondence in our agenda.

1690
02:19:53,380 --> 02:19:59,120
Item 6, the review letters of correspondence received here, are there any of that anyone

1691
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:00,520
would like to speak to?

1692
02:20:07,720 --> 02:20:11,720
Seeing none, I would like to take this opportunity to use the item 6f, the letter from

1693
02:20:11,720 --> 02:20:15,920
the Timmins Public Library Board regarding the national launch of the TD Summer Reading Club.

1694
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:24,920
So the Timmins Public Library was selected as the location for the national launch of this annual

1695
02:20:24,920 --> 02:20:32,660
TD Summer Reading Club, this initiative, because we were the national winners in a previous

1696
02:20:32,660 --> 02:20:33,100
year.

1697
02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:38,360
So I just want to extend my congratulations to all of the staff at the Timons Public Library

1698
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:41,880
as well as their Board of Directors and all of the volunteers and community partners that

1699
02:20:41,880 --> 02:20:46,760
work with them on making sure that the TD Summer Reading Club is a great success here in

1700
02:20:46,760 --> 02:20:47,660
the city of Timons.

1701
02:20:47,900 --> 02:20:51,440
So looking forward to being able to host that launch event here in Timons with something

1702
02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:53,100
that we shall be proud of.

1703
02:20:54,600 --> 02:20:57,820
If there's nothing else that I don't want to like to speak to, let's go on to our consent agenda

1704
02:20:57,820 --> 02:21:01,420
under item 7A, the adoption receipt of minutes, please.

1705
02:21:03,740 --> 02:21:06,940
Thank you, Your Worship, moved by Councillor Oselle, so I'm right, Councillor Curley, bit resolved

1706
02:21:06,940 --> 02:21:11,000
with the minutes of the regular meeting held March 10th, 2026, be adopted as presented,

1707
02:21:11,400 --> 02:21:15,560
and that the minutes of the Museum Advisory Committee meeting held March 11, 2026, be received.

1708
02:21:18,400 --> 02:21:21,600
I'll call for the vote, all in favor. Since caring.

1709
02:21:23,740 --> 02:21:26,100
Item 7B, please, the first and second reading by-laws.

1710
02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:32,570
Thank you, Your Worship, moved by Council of Curly, second by Council of Murray, bit resolved

1711
02:21:32,570 --> 02:21:38,070
that following by us, we've given first and second reading, by 2023-2026-19302, being

1712
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:43,310
a pilot to enter into an agreement with, again, at Fleming Canada, you will see regarding

1713
02:21:43,310 --> 02:21:49,970
the comprehensive transit master plan with integrated route optimization by 2023-303, being

1714
02:21:49,970 --> 02:21:54,670
a pilot to enter into an agreement with MCA, contracting limited, regarding the rehabilitation

1715
02:21:54,670 --> 02:21:56,170
of the Golden Avenue Bridge.

1716
02:21:56,170 --> 02:22:01,170
By the 2026-90304, being a ballad to enter into an agreement with fur-pal construction

1717
02:22:01,170 --> 02:22:07,470
limited regarding water-main lining of Riverside Drive, by 2026-9035, being a ballad

1718
02:22:07,470 --> 02:22:12,570
to enter a agreement with Urban Link Civil Limited regarding the replacement of the Evan

1719
02:22:12,570 --> 02:22:19,350
Street Bridge, by the 2026-9306, being a ballad to the men-ballad of 2024-8970, regarding

1720
02:22:19,350 --> 02:22:24,170
the agreement with WSP candidate incorporated for the design and construction contracted

1721
02:22:24,170 --> 02:22:29,950
administration for the TISDL Reservoir by 2023-07 being about to enter into a two-year

1722
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:05,240
The agreement was at Boni Company Limited regarding the purchase of one electric ice resurfacer, and by

1723
02:23:05,240 --> 02:23:10,400
2026-9311 being a ballot to enter to an agreement with the Minister of Solicitor General regarding

1724
02:23:10,400 --> 02:23:12,860
the Ontario Fire Protection Grant Transfer Payment.

1725
02:23:15,250 --> 02:23:18,690
Thank you. I need a discussion. I'll call for the vote on favor.

1726
02:23:20,010 --> 02:23:20,650
I'm Washington's carry.

1727
02:23:23,560 --> 02:23:27,520
Now, under item 8, motions of council, 8, please, Mr. Palmitare.

1728
02:23:28,320 --> 02:23:31,540
Thank you, Your Worship. We'll buy council for sales. Secondary council, currently, be it resolved

1729
02:23:31,540 --> 02:23:36,620
Council proves an exemption to the City of Timmins, Noise Bala in 1983, 1998, on September

1730
02:23:36,620 --> 02:23:42,560
12, 20, 26 from 3 p.m. until 2 a.m. at 1291, Don't Road, Timmins for a wedding.

1731
02:23:44,750 --> 02:23:45,110
Any discussion?

1732
02:23:46,330 --> 02:23:47,050
Hey, all in favor.

1733
02:23:48,530 --> 02:23:50,950
So, it's Karen, and I'm 8 p.m. Please.

1734
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:54,930
Thank you, Worship, moved by Councillor Murray, 2nd by Councillor Kerley, bit, resolved

1735
02:23:54,930 --> 02:23:59,390
the Council Prooser request from Timmins Public Library Board for Street Closure on 2nd Avenue

1736
02:23:59,390 --> 02:24:04,430
between Burnett Road and Spruce Street south from 9am until 5pm on Saturday, June 20,

1737
02:24:04,610 --> 02:24:07,690
2026, for the national launch of the TD Summer Reading Club.

1738
02:24:08,370 --> 02:24:12,530
In further than that, the city provide barricades for the road closure to large garbage containers

1739
02:24:12,530 --> 02:24:14,090
and two large recycling containers.

1740
02:24:14,750 --> 02:24:18,230
Further, that liability insurance and the amount of $5 million be provided, naming the city

1741
02:24:18,230 --> 02:24:21,870
of Timons as additional name to Churred, and further than that, a copy of this resolution

1742
02:24:21,870 --> 02:24:25,290
before, due to the Timons Police Service, Timons Fire Department, Timons Transit,

1743
02:24:25,390 --> 02:24:28,530
Public Works Department, enforcement services, maintenance department and service

1744
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:35,430
of the votes have ended

1745
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:42,220
these weeks.

1746
02:24:44,220 --> 02:24:54,420
Confirmed so options are expected to be

1747
02:25:00,230 --> 02:25:01,630
50?

1748
02:25:04,090 --> 02:25:10,150
Thank you, Your Worship, but just a question through you to the clerk, this,

1749
02:25:10,150 --> 02:25:11,810
I'm just trying to get the report off that thing.

1750
02:25:12,270 --> 02:25:17,350
The report speaks to the cases where there was finding was there

1751
02:25:17,350 --> 02:25:19,650
a number of complaints that were also investigated

1752
02:25:21,730 --> 02:25:24,050
that didn't recommend action taken,

1753
02:25:24,370 --> 02:25:27,530
and where we charged a fee for those as part of this 19,000,

1754
02:25:27,570 --> 02:25:32,790
as well as discussed solely related to the reports where

1755
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:39,790
guilty verdicts for how our violation verdicts, whatever you want to call it.

1756
02:25:40,170 --> 02:25:49,410
This costs are related to the contractual annual amount as well as any investigations that

1757
02:25:49,410 --> 02:25:55,470
were completed, whether they be investigations that eventually became public or didn't

1758
02:25:55,470 --> 02:25:58,370
proceed beyond the initial investigation staff.

1759
02:25:59,030 --> 02:25:59,770
Thank you.

1760
02:26:15,960 --> 02:26:35,700
May I ask questions?

1761
02:26:35,700 --> 02:26:40,460
Currently, second-by-culture is on-of-age, where is the biennual time change has been shown

1762
02:26:40,460 --> 02:26:45,000
to negatively affect public health, safety, and overall well-being, or permanent daylight

1763
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:49,000
savings time would provide residents with more evening daylight for immigration, community

1764
02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:54,880
activities, and local economic participation, and where is the time amendment Act 2020 enables

1765
02:26:54,880 --> 02:26:59,400
Ontario to adopt permanent daylight savings time, once neighbouring jurisdictions align,

1766
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:03,580
the progress towards that alignment has been slow. Now, therefore, be it resolved that

1767
02:27:03,580 --> 02:27:07,600
the City of Timmons, urges the province of Ontario to take all necessary steps to implement

1768
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:11,700
permanent daylight savings time, and be it further resolved that the province being

1769
02:27:11,700 --> 02:27:16,740
cursed for seed independently should enable drastic jurisdictions continue to delay,

1770
02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:20,740
and be it further resolved this resolution be circulated in the Premier Ontario, the Minister

1771
02:27:20,740 --> 02:27:25,000
of Attorney General, Minister of Missile Affairs and Housing, local MPPs, dissociation,

1772
02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:26,580
and as far as Ontario and all municipalities.

1773
02:27:29,570 --> 02:27:31,150
Thank you, discussion. Councilor Kalman.

1774
02:27:31,150 --> 02:27:41,250
I thank your worship, while I would be in support of something that only has one or no

1775
02:27:41,250 --> 02:27:46,770
change in a year, whether we stay on daylight, savings, time, or stay on just standard

1776
02:27:46,770 --> 02:27:54,510
time, because as this resolution states, the time change is shown to negatively affect

1777
02:27:54,510 --> 02:27:59,370
public health and safety and overall well-being, but there seems to be a lot of prevailing

1778
02:27:59,370 --> 02:28:06,110
evidence that it's the daylight savings time that is causing even more health issues,

1779
02:28:06,510 --> 02:28:15,570
sleep disorders, et cetera, where if we could stay on one time standard, I'd like to

1780
02:28:15,570 --> 02:28:20,750
look more into this before I support it about which of those time standards should be the

1781
02:28:20,750 --> 02:28:26,070
one that prevails just on the reading that I've been doing and research I've been gathering.

1782
02:28:28,130 --> 02:28:34,770
I'm not convinced that going permanently on day-light savings time will improve the health

1783
02:28:34,770 --> 02:28:41,430
and safety of the populist in a motion to defer worship.

1784
02:28:43,400 --> 02:28:43,700
Councillor Fell.

1785
02:28:43,700 --> 02:28:44,080
Thank you.

1786
02:28:44,860 --> 02:28:47,680
The floor still open for questions, for discussions.

1787
02:28:48,040 --> 02:28:49,400
So go ahead to Councillor Curley.

1788
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:52,000
Thank you.

1789
02:28:52,540 --> 02:28:57,400
Well, if we're going to defer this or think of going back to the standard times,

1790
02:28:57,400 --> 02:29:01,560
And then we're actually putting everybody back through a time change again.

1791
02:29:02,200 --> 02:29:04,540
We are presently in daylight savings time.

1792
02:29:05,320 --> 02:29:08,920
If we stay on daylight savings time, we're on now.

1793
02:29:09,100 --> 02:29:11,320
There's no further time change as take.

1794
02:29:11,820 --> 02:29:16,840
So your system would get accustomed to what it's on now.

1795
02:29:17,780 --> 02:29:26,020
And I know myself who works here for many, many years, time change from working what that

1796
02:29:26,020 --> 02:29:32,800
had a huge effect on the body and I think anybody who works shift for help there to tell you

1797
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:38,420
the same. It was very difficult to get changes of your state. We're not so to stay on something,

1798
02:29:38,680 --> 02:29:46,440
we're present beyond. Only makes sense. The province has already passed this through based on

1799
02:29:46,440 --> 02:29:53,540
they're just waiting on a couple of other, I guess, provinces and or believe it's New York

1800
02:29:53,540 --> 02:29:59,180
to agree to it. So it's something I'm just putting forward. It's already there.

1801
02:29:59,740 --> 02:29:59,980
We're good.

1802
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:19,620
I move in this direction. So I just want to put this forward on, and if the city, if we support this, we're just in line with what the province has already agreed to do. And move this same forward versus just sitting there, because eventually something is going to come out of there.

1803
02:30:19,620 --> 02:30:23,220
And as the province has it, they're looking at the achieving time.

1804
02:30:23,860 --> 02:30:27,200
So why would you want to put your body mind,

1805
02:30:27,780 --> 02:30:29,780
Jill, everybody through another time, Chief.

1806
02:30:29,960 --> 02:30:31,460
I think it's here now.

1807
02:30:31,860 --> 02:30:34,580
It's already, we'll presently with it.

1808
02:30:34,940 --> 02:30:38,200
So just move forward with this resolution. Thank you.

1809
02:30:40,560 --> 02:30:41,140
Thank you.

1810
02:30:42,180 --> 02:30:43,100
Me for the discussion?

1811
02:30:44,920 --> 02:30:46,800
Okay. See you, none. We'll call for the vote.

1812
02:30:46,980 --> 02:30:47,580
I'll in favor.

1813
02:30:50,320 --> 02:30:51,160
And then we'll sense carrying.

1814
02:30:53,540 --> 02:30:59,260
Okay, brings us now to item eight F, please.

1815
02:31:00,100 --> 02:31:02,860
Thank you, Worship, moved by Councillor Murray, second by Councillor Kerley.

1816
02:31:02,960 --> 02:31:03,440
Be it resolved.

1817
02:31:03,620 --> 02:31:07,540
The council is here by a men resolution 26-069 to read as follows.

1818
02:31:07,740 --> 02:31:08,220
Be it resolved.

1819
02:31:08,320 --> 02:31:12,580
The council request an annual report from administration regarding the vacant building registry

1820
02:31:12,580 --> 02:31:16,500
more specifically on how many buildings are on the registry, how many have been turned

1821
02:31:16,500 --> 02:31:20,980
into homes and how much revenue is generated by fees, as well as a breakdown of current homes

1822
02:31:20,980 --> 02:31:22,540
on the registry for each ward.

1823
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:26,720
Okay, in discussion, Councillor Osondich?

1824
02:31:27,580 --> 02:31:34,440
Just a question, thank your worship through you to the clerk, why is this back on the agenda?

1825
02:31:34,680 --> 02:31:36,420
Do we change something to it?

1826
02:31:38,400 --> 02:31:40,000
Do we know to prove this at the last meeting?

1827
02:31:41,620 --> 02:31:43,600
The time change is affecting me, that's why.

1828
02:31:45,460 --> 02:31:47,840
I don't we approve this at the last meeting.

1829
02:31:48,980 --> 02:31:53,620
So if we could just highlight the amendment that's being brought forward in this resolution, please?

1830
02:31:57,910 --> 02:32:03,130
Honestly, Councilor, I thought you put it back on the agenda. No, I think we, I think okay anyways

1831
02:32:04,410 --> 02:32:07,030
So we can expect that report at the next meeting

1832
02:32:09,560 --> 02:32:15,740
Well, I'll have to confirm that the report I'm working on has all the information. Okay, it was in this resolution, but yes, that was the plan

1833
02:32:16,280 --> 02:32:21,360
Yeah, because we that'll be April 14 because we cancel the April 28 meeting

1834
02:32:22,820 --> 02:32:25,080
So okay, that's good

1835
02:32:25,960 --> 02:32:28,680
Thank you. I thought we are yeah. I thought we already approved this anyways

1836
02:32:29,900 --> 02:32:31,240
It's a time change.

1837
02:32:31,500 --> 02:32:38,660
I'm still awaiting clarification as to whether or not there is an amendment that's being brought forward to this resolution or if the resolution should be withdrawn.

1838
02:32:39,140 --> 02:32:48,560
And, no, the resolution was amended at the last meeting. I don't know why it was, it was amended on the fly at the last meeting, so it was just inadvertently reattired.

1839
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:57,120
Okay, so we'll withdraw this resolution from the agenda then, and we'll go right on to item 8G please Mr. Palmitir.

1840
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:57,680
I'm

1841
02:33:17,650 --> 02:33:18,810
sorry, thank you, Worship.

1842
02:33:19,470 --> 02:33:23,070
Moved by Councillor Kuzanov, it's second by Councillor Curley, whereas Councillor the City

1843
02:33:23,070 --> 02:33:26,710
of Timmins has directed that enforcement service department, working a junction with

1844
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:31,530
public works department and contractors as required to clean up specific areas of town, in

1845
02:33:31,530 --> 02:33:35,670
an effort to beautify the city, and reduce the negative impact that the garbage has on

1846
02:33:35,670 --> 02:33:39,670
the neighborhood and surrounding property owners, and covering the costs of those cleanups.

1847
02:33:40,310 --> 02:33:44,330
And whereas there are other properties throughout Timmins that require clean up through an

1848
02:33:44,330 --> 02:33:49,550
of the property owner due to circumstances outside the property owners control that the garbage

1849
02:33:49,550 --> 02:33:53,150
accumulation is causing a negative impact on the neighborhood and surrounding owners.

1850
02:33:53,790 --> 02:33:58,370
And where does council city timids is committed to providing clean and beautiful neighborhoods

1851
02:33:58,370 --> 02:34:00,130
for our residents to enjoy?

1852
02:34:00,710 --> 02:34:05,390
Now, therefore, we resolve the council here by direct enforcement services department to provide

1853
02:34:05,390 --> 02:34:09,430
notice to property owners that council has directed the immediate cleanup of their property

1854
02:34:09,430 --> 02:34:13,170
with the assistance of the public works department or contractors if necessary

1855
02:34:13,170 --> 02:34:16,350
and that the cost to clean up the property would be covered by the city.

1856
02:34:19,480 --> 02:34:20,140
Councillor Gistandert.

1857
02:34:20,940 --> 02:34:22,500
Here we go, Mr. Clean.

1858
02:34:24,300 --> 02:34:32,140
Anyways, this all stems from, we're always splitting hairs of where we're going in terms

1859
02:34:32,140 --> 02:34:33,020
of cleaning up.

1860
02:34:33,040 --> 02:34:39,420
This goes back to last year, we spent $100,000 cleaning up around the shelter.

1861
02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:45,020
There was one property in particular, which was an empty lot, okay?

1862
02:34:45,020 --> 02:34:51,940
So what had happened is garbage had blown, got onto that empty lot, somebody reported that a lot, okay?

1863
02:34:52,520 --> 02:35:01,300
And it was a private owner, and they got flagged by by law, and they had to go in and clean up, okay?

1864
02:35:01,300 --> 02:35:03,440
And this is happening all around the city.

1865
02:35:03,640 --> 02:35:08,740
I have a situation in Schumacher where I have an apartment building, okay?

1866
02:35:08,740 --> 02:35:14,800
And they have a dumpster in the back that they're supposed to use.

1867
02:35:15,260 --> 02:35:17,400
They keep putting their garbage in the front.

1868
02:35:17,820 --> 02:35:22,440
There's an empty lot in between the two buildings.

1869
02:35:24,560 --> 02:35:28,040
And they're putting all their junk on this empty lot.

1870
02:35:28,140 --> 02:35:30,880
The guy has a beautiful building beside it.

1871
02:35:31,400 --> 02:35:35,200
And what happens is because of the policy,

1872
02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:47,120
Okay? The guy that owns the empty lot is responsible to clean it. We need to stop doing this, okay, to our own private residents.

1873
02:35:48,220 --> 02:36:04,140
Unfortunately, it's not just the shelter where this is taking place. It's taking place in other areas, in timings, and also in Schumacher, where this resolution is going to hopefully,

1874
02:36:04,140 --> 02:36:10,800
And I've discussed this with the community and safety and well-being coordinator to give the authority

1875
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:14,920
for us to get a contractor in there and

1876
02:36:14,920 --> 02:36:25,600
Just go and clean it up because if somebody gets into the garbage and then we take two or three days to get there the garbage blows all over the place

1877
02:36:25,600 --> 02:36:28,480
That's not what we're looking for, okay?

1878
02:36:29,200 --> 02:36:30,680
We have

1879
02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:41,300
So many residents that take care of their properties and take pride in, you know, how the city looks.

1880
02:36:42,100 --> 02:36:48,160
Unfortunately, we have some residents that don't care.

1881
02:36:49,260 --> 02:36:53,400
And then what happens is this is the trickles down to the neighbors.

1882
02:36:53,400 --> 02:37:03,280
Okay? And so what happens is there is no recourse on on anybody on this. So the

1883
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:08,940
just of the resolution is the complaint comes in. It's on private property.

1884
02:37:09,080 --> 02:37:13,940
Somebody gets into a dumpster and throws the garbage all over the place. Okay?

1885
02:37:14,340 --> 02:37:18,620
We got to get in there and clean it up. Okay? And we got to do it quick. And we can't

1886
02:37:18,620 --> 02:37:26,080
public works. If it's on private property, they won't go on private property. They'll go on public property.

1887
02:37:26,740 --> 02:37:29,980
We've got to stop splitting hairs. Get in there. Get a car.

1888
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:39,820
We have to pay for it, unfortunately, but in the end, it doesn't punish private landowners and it keeps our community clean.

1889
02:37:40,340 --> 02:37:43,240
That is the gist of this resolution. Thank you, Your Worship.

1890
02:37:45,450 --> 02:37:47,810
Here we go, and I'll open the floor for discussion.

1891
02:37:49,230 --> 02:37:49,970
Councilor Feldman.

1892
02:37:51,650 --> 02:37:52,490
Thank you, Ourship.

1893
02:37:54,390 --> 02:38:12,390
Directed to Councillor Guzonovich, like in fundamentally, I understand what you're saying that there are perpetrators dumping garbage on innocent, maybe landowners, which, you know, on the surface seems quite unfair,

1894
02:38:12,390 --> 02:38:19,530
but I don't know how we can manage that because we run the risk when we say Council has

1895
02:38:19,530 --> 02:38:24,910
directed the immediate cleanup. It seems like it's contravening like policies or procedures

1896
02:38:24,910 --> 02:38:31,010
we already have in place and it could potentially set up where even that landowner that

1897
02:38:31,830 --> 02:38:38,910
potentially is complaining about others dumping on the site could start knowing that the city will

1898
02:38:38,910 --> 02:38:45,290
go and automatically clean it up, could potentially just dump garbage and not take care of

1899
02:38:45,290 --> 02:38:45,930
his own garbage.

1900
02:38:46,330 --> 02:38:55,550
So I like it and spirit, but I think there's a lot of open-dans that could create a real

1901
02:38:55,550 --> 02:39:03,950
juggernaut for an already restrained by law and public works department.

1902
02:39:03,950 --> 02:39:07,690
So I just would like some more clarification on how

1903
02:39:07,690 --> 02:39:12,970
how this could work without, you know, potentially opening

1904
02:39:12,970 --> 02:39:14,850
up a Pandora's box.

1905
02:39:16,310 --> 02:39:17,150
Well, thank you.

1906
02:39:17,290 --> 02:39:17,910
Your word should be another one.

1907
02:39:17,930 --> 02:39:20,730
Well, I would like to practice by saying that I will give the

1908
02:39:20,730 --> 02:39:23,290
floor to you because the question was directed at you.

1909
02:39:23,710 --> 02:39:26,590
So please, Councillor Custon, if you can share your opinion on how

1910
02:39:26,590 --> 02:39:29,170
you think that this could work, you might want to pose the same

1911
02:39:29,170 --> 02:39:30,770
question to enforcement staff.

1912
02:39:30,770 --> 02:39:41,830
No, no, I think I think personally I've put in 400 service requests 90% of those are for property standards issues.

1913
02:39:42,930 --> 02:39:45,710
So we know who the frequent flyers are.

1914
02:39:46,010 --> 02:39:47,990
We know where the problem spots are.

1915
02:39:48,370 --> 02:39:50,690
Okay, so if we want to split hairs on the bylaw,

1916
02:39:51,310 --> 02:39:59,530
I trust the judgment of the bylaw department as well as the community safety and well-being coordinator.

1917
02:39:59,530 --> 02:40:09,690
Okay, to administrate this and there will be no issues because, like I said, we know who the property owner starts.

1918
02:40:09,790 --> 02:40:12,870
It's always the same people, the same complaints.

1919
02:40:13,330 --> 02:40:19,890
And if somebody is taking advantage, like Councillor Feldman is saying, I'm sure we'll figure it out somehow.

1920
02:40:20,170 --> 02:40:20,630
We'll figure it out.

1921
02:40:20,750 --> 02:40:28,290
But I'm talking about mostly, what we're talking about an area where you go from Schumacher to around the shelter.

1922
02:40:29,110 --> 02:40:37,030
this is, you know, when we do the spring bylaw blitz, okay, which has been a very successful

1923
02:40:37,030 --> 02:40:45,130
blitz, the bylaw knows where they're going. Okay, they know who is, like I call it in

1924
02:40:45,130 --> 02:40:50,650
frequent flyers and not respecting other people's property that live, I'll give you an example,

1925
02:40:51,650 --> 02:40:57,830
is there's one property in Schumacher where they don't even put their garbage out, all winter,

1926
02:40:57,830 --> 02:41:05,190
They just throw it in the back yard until the springtime comes and then a complaint comes in from from me

1927
02:41:05,190 --> 02:41:08,950
The contractor goes in there bylaws ends to clean the garbage up

1928
02:41:09,670 --> 02:41:14,470
But right here. This is this is pretty simple for us to do because we know where we're going. They basically.

1929
02:41:16,950 --> 02:41:17,750
How's it back?

1930
02:41:20,820 --> 02:41:21,340
Thank you worship

1931
02:41:21,340 --> 02:41:30,660
a little confused with the example that was just given because under this we would clean that up

1932
02:41:30,660 --> 02:41:33,440
at our costs, which isn't desirable.

1933
02:41:34,280 --> 02:41:37,660
To me when we had some discussion about this,

1934
02:41:38,620 --> 02:41:43,180
it was to starting to surround some of the problems,

1935
02:41:43,400 --> 02:41:44,980
which I feel for residents, right?

1936
02:41:45,080 --> 02:41:47,820
If you're in a neighborhood that has increased activity

1937
02:41:47,820 --> 02:41:50,400
that no neighborhood wants it, whether it be needles

1938
02:41:50,400 --> 02:41:54,580
or other materials I get wanting to support those residents

1939
02:41:54,580 --> 02:41:59,200
and help them address what is a systemic community issue

1940
02:42:00,760 --> 02:42:06,480
in continually littering their property with potentially hazardous

1941
02:42:06,480 --> 02:42:11,760
whether it be needles or other bio-hazard materials,

1942
02:42:13,820 --> 02:42:14,840
but to have a blanket

1943
02:42:14,840 --> 02:42:22,460
city is going to clean up. Any garbage areas, I don't know how we would ever

1944
02:42:22,460 --> 02:42:28,740
manage that and how you separate the good from the bad, you know, I have

1945
02:42:28,740 --> 02:42:35,180
Some pesky bears, my neighborhood that if I don't put my garbage away in my garage, it ends up all over my

1946
02:42:35,180 --> 02:42:39,080
yard, and it sucks to clean it up, but it's my fault, so I clean it up.

1947
02:42:40,900 --> 02:42:45,120
So I'm potentially in favor, and wasn't in favor of supporting residents in dealing with

1948
02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:50,680
some of our systemic issues in the community, and trying to support our business community

1949
02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:55,960
that may wake up due to some of our other challenges that we're trying to address with, you

1950
02:42:55,960 --> 02:43:04,020
matter that is clearly from people being where they shouldn't be and doing things they shouldn't be doing.

1951
02:43:04,700 --> 02:43:11,600
But I don't know that I could support a blanket. We're going to clean up any garbage that's on private property.

1952
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:16,480
Council currently?

1953
02:43:18,140 --> 02:43:22,820
Thank you. I do have a little bit issue just the way it was worth it.

1954
02:43:27,290 --> 02:43:32,730
example. If, well, in a residential part, so the tenants living there just throwing it

1955
02:43:32,730 --> 02:43:38,430
in their backyard and we're sending our crews in later to clean it up.

1956
02:43:40,700 --> 02:43:41,180
Okay, find it

1957
02:43:41,180 --> 02:43:46,380
and then you're contract are going into clean up as long as the cost is put on their

1958
02:43:46,380 --> 02:43:52,860
tax bill. So long as long as it's covered, I don't want to see our us pick it up to

1959
02:43:52,860 --> 02:44:00,100
for everything that's going on here. So in some cases it's you need to do that, but another

1960
02:44:00,100 --> 02:44:07,200
one's known, it has to be applied to their taxes. So I guess they'd have to have each

1961
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:13,380
case a merit for each case and how to apply. And I don't know if there's any words that

1962
02:44:13,380 --> 02:44:22,520
can be put in here, allow and discretion for what areas that we would send our crews in

1963
02:44:22,520 --> 02:44:28,580
clean up or contract it clean up. So I don't know if anybody can think of a words to put in here

1964
02:44:28,580 --> 02:44:36,440
the resolution so it's not wide open to narrow it down. So that's why only concern on this one.

1965
02:44:36,780 --> 02:44:37,440
Thank you.

1966
02:44:38,000 --> 02:44:39,460
Okay, any other discussion?

1967
02:44:42,240 --> 02:44:43,620
Right. See none like T-Country Standard?

1968
02:44:44,080 --> 02:44:44,220
Yeah.

1969
02:44:44,420 --> 02:44:48,040
When you talk about systematic, this is systematic.

1970
02:44:49,100 --> 02:44:57,940
very much so. And the reason I say that is, in Schumacher, for example, we, there's

1971
02:44:57,940 --> 02:44:59,960
organizations that place people in death.

1972
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,220
Housing, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work. When it doesn't work, this is what happens. This is systematic.

1973
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:22,600
Like through you, your worship to the clerk, the clerk can outline how we deal with this one property in Schumacher, where this is systematic and there's nothing we can do.

1974
02:45:22,600 --> 02:45:27,320
Nothing. Can you explain the clerk, please?

1975
02:45:28,460 --> 02:45:30,840
Nothing we can do.

1976
02:45:31,200 --> 02:45:34,900
Mr. Pointeer, can you just an example of that's being brought forward?

1977
02:45:35,100 --> 02:45:36,180
Thank you, Your Worship.

1978
02:45:37,360 --> 02:45:39,400
If I may thank you, Councillor Gibbs-Anavich.

1979
02:45:39,520 --> 02:45:45,340
I believe I'll answer your question and I'll also answer Councillor Kerley at the same time.

1980
02:45:46,260 --> 02:45:51,900
Yes, so the situation is very difficult to deal with in Schumacher

1981
02:45:51,900 --> 02:46:01,640
because the individuals creating the problem have a number of issues and there's a number of

1982
02:46:01,640 --> 02:46:09,400
agencies involved and unfortunately the mess is being left on a neighboring property so we're

1983
02:46:09,400 --> 02:46:15,200
unable to use our current properties or using our current property standards bylaw would penalize

1984
02:46:15,200 --> 02:46:21,100
the neighbor who is not offending the bylaw. So in the prior example or the tenants are throwing

1985
02:46:21,100 --> 02:46:25,320
garbage in the backyard, when we send the crews into clean it up, that's after we provided

1986
02:46:25,320 --> 02:46:30,700
notice, followed the process, and then we charged those costs associated with that cleanup

1987
02:46:30,700 --> 02:46:32,140
back to the property taxpayer.

1988
02:46:33,280 --> 02:46:38,560
In this example here, in this resolution, in Calcirc is on which remember this, I was requesting

1989
02:46:38,560 --> 02:46:44,060
that the addresses be added to this resolution, so it's site specific to an address, and

1990
02:46:44,060 --> 02:46:45,360
we go in and we clean it up.

1991
02:46:45,580 --> 02:46:50,120
And if it becomes a problem later, council would then have to bring another resolution back

1992
02:46:50,120 --> 02:46:55,660
authorizing us because this resolution, as it stands, is contradictory to our current property

1993
02:46:55,660 --> 02:46:56,660
standards process.

1994
02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:04,440
And I had, and yes, so if you want to prove this resolution, it would be profitable if

1995
02:47:04,440 --> 02:47:06,140
the addresses were on it.

1996
02:47:06,420 --> 02:47:10,960
If there are no addresses, I would recommend that we just let the property standards process

1997
02:47:10,960 --> 02:47:20,000
play out and unfortunately there are instances where our property standards would be not

1998
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:26,060
fair to enforce on a non-defending property owner that's getting the garbage or dealing with the

1999
02:47:26,060 --> 02:47:32,280
brunt of the problem. But, yeah, if this resolution was amended to say specifically the addresses

2000
02:47:32,280 --> 02:47:38,440
that you want cleaned up, we'd be happy to do that. But, okay, that's good. I so amend 55

2001
02:47:38,440 --> 02:47:43,920
father Costello. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, there's nothing. You can't keep punishing that guy.

2002
02:47:44,380 --> 02:47:49,340
So, I'll make an amendment if somebody wants to second it, that if there's systematic issues

2003
02:47:49,340 --> 02:47:53,880
there that we can't deal with that we send a contractor and just clean it up.

2004
02:47:53,940 --> 02:47:54,580
It looks terrible.

2005
02:47:54,840 --> 02:47:55,460
Like the guy had a face.

2006
02:47:55,460 --> 02:47:59,700
As a mover, you can make a friendly amendment that we include the address of 55

2007
02:47:59,700 --> 02:48:01,620
Castello as long as father to still.

2008
02:48:01,720 --> 02:48:03,260
Secondary father to Castello's story.

2009
02:48:03,780 --> 02:48:06,400
It's like a derrs in favor of that amendment to the resolution.

2010
02:48:09,260 --> 02:48:16,180
So the mover of the resolution is a mending precisely.

2011
02:48:18,100 --> 02:48:20,900
And so the move of the resolution is

2012
02:48:20,900 --> 02:48:24,080
remaining the resolution so that it includes the address

2013
02:48:24,080 --> 02:48:26,460
of the site in question.

2014
02:48:27,940 --> 02:48:31,080
Which in this case is 55 Father Castello Drive?

2015
02:48:32,720 --> 02:48:37,100
If the seconder of the motion is amenable to that,

2016
02:48:38,100 --> 02:48:42,340
and Q, and so let's now discuss the resolution as amended.

2017
02:48:42,740 --> 02:48:43,900
Is there any further discussion?

2018
02:48:43,900 --> 02:48:44,640
So,

2019
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:53,920
seeing none then, I'll call for the vote.

2020
02:48:58,920 --> 02:48:59,400
Yes, please.

2021
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:01,400
If you could be mentioned where with section of the resolution,

2022
02:49:01,660 --> 02:49:03,040
we would add public installment track.

2023
02:49:03,860 --> 02:49:04,780
Yes, thank your worship.

2024
02:49:04,980 --> 02:49:06,940
So, I added it to the last clause.

2025
02:49:07,220 --> 02:49:08,580
So, the last clause now reads.

2026
02:49:08,840 --> 02:49:09,860
Now, therefore, be resolved.

2027
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:12,620
The council hereby directs enforce services department.

2028
02:49:14,260 --> 02:49:16,320
To provide notice to property owners.

2029
02:49:16,460 --> 02:49:18,780
The council has directed the immediate cleanup of their property.

2030
02:49:18,920 --> 02:49:20,900
With this, it's a public works or contractors.

2031
02:49:20,960 --> 02:49:24,080
If necessary, and the cost to clean it, the property will be covered by the city.

2032
02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:27,560
at the fall and address 55 for their custodial driver.

2033
02:49:29,560 --> 02:49:30,320
Any further discussion?

2034
02:49:30,540 --> 02:49:31,080
Councillor Murray.

2035
02:49:32,440 --> 02:49:32,600
Thank you.

2036
02:49:32,700 --> 02:49:33,000
We should.

2037
02:49:33,180 --> 02:49:34,640
So I have a question just around.

2038
02:49:36,160 --> 02:49:37,020
This is one address.

2039
02:49:37,180 --> 02:49:39,160
Every time we're going to be doing this individually.

2040
02:49:39,560 --> 02:49:41,100
Is that how we're handling this?

2041
02:49:41,580 --> 02:49:41,680
Okay.

2042
02:49:42,120 --> 02:49:42,800
Thank you.

2043
02:49:46,120 --> 02:49:46,560
Thank you.

2044
02:49:47,500 --> 02:49:48,420
There's no further discussion.

2045
02:49:48,640 --> 02:49:51,360
I'll permit myself to express my position on this.

2046
02:49:51,500 --> 02:49:53,780
I will not be voting in support of this resolution.

2047
02:49:53,780 --> 02:49:56,580
as was stated, this does circumvent or current properties

2048
02:49:56,580 --> 02:49:59,820
to enders by law and the processes that are stated within it.

2049
02:50:00,040 --> 02:50:01,580
And believe that through this resolution

2050
02:50:01,580 --> 02:50:05,700
we'll be adding subjectivity to that process,

2051
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:08,860
making it, you know, at the discretion of staff

2052
02:50:08,860 --> 02:50:11,860
of a counselor of a neighbor who doesn't

2053
02:50:11,860 --> 02:50:14,720
feel like this property is meeting the standard

2054
02:50:14,720 --> 02:50:18,700
and now enforcement has, you know,

2055
02:50:19,320 --> 02:50:21,940
with this resolution would have the power to circumvent

2056
02:50:21,940 --> 02:50:28,620
the process and when no longer be required to provide an order of remedy and providing the opportunity to remedy.

2057
02:50:29,100 --> 02:50:33,300
I understand that the current property standards by law is not a one-size-fits-all,

2058
02:50:33,840 --> 02:50:39,460
and unfortunately there are some properties that end up being delta by hand with that property standards.

2059
02:50:40,440 --> 02:50:49,780
But personally, I'm concerned with the president that we would be setting and with the subjectivity that we would be building into our bylaws here.

2060
02:50:50,580 --> 02:50:58,440
That was my personal position on this, and with that, I'll call for the vote, everyone had a chance to state their position on this resolution.

2061
02:50:58,840 --> 02:51:02,600
It's been amended, so all in favor of the resolution as amended.

2062
02:51:03,140 --> 02:51:04,480
Point of order, why can't we speak?

2063
02:51:05,400 --> 02:51:07,100
Because everyone had a chance to speak.

2064
02:51:07,140 --> 02:51:07,820
It had Apple.

2065
02:51:08,040 --> 02:51:10,100
We want to speak and so do I.

2066
02:51:10,360 --> 02:51:11,940
So let's still, I'd like him to speak.

2067
02:51:12,060 --> 02:51:14,840
On my count, both counselors had a chance to speak twice.

2068
02:51:15,380 --> 02:51:15,440
Okay.

2069
02:51:15,440 --> 02:51:17,100
Again, I'm trying to move us along in our agenda.

2070
02:51:17,100 --> 02:51:24,880
I had asked twice if anyone had any further comments, no one raised their hands, and so I stayed in my position prior to calling for the vote.

2071
02:51:25,320 --> 02:51:33,120
You're just going to clear, like, I get that, but if you're going to then, and I don't object here.

2072
02:51:33,320 --> 02:51:38,620
Paying on this, but if you're going to introduce additional commentary, like, I just have a simple point clarification.

2073
02:51:38,620 --> 02:51:46,240
is this personal waste that like this is a very dangerous avenue to go down is this

2074
02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:52,660
identifyable like how people throwing garbage bags or is it just loose I just don't know

2075
02:51:52,660 --> 02:51:59,740
it's it's a combination of everything what it is is the and we've got we've seen

2076
02:51:59,740 --> 02:52:06,640
I don't know video footage of the fender bringing going around the community collecting these items

2077
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:17,800
some, and then discarding them on the neighbor's property by, you know, they've broke down the fence, they've, they're just kind of like they're using it as their own personal storage for junk.

2078
02:52:18,900 --> 02:52:21,660
And they're, unfortunately, because they're a tenant.

2079
02:52:23,180 --> 02:52:25,420
Like I said, there's been multiple agencies involved.

2080
02:52:27,080 --> 02:52:29,960
It just hasn't worked well, and the property owner will all,

2081
02:52:31,220 --> 02:52:34,120
We have private business owners, landowners, that are footing the bills.

2082
02:52:34,320 --> 02:52:40,820
So thank you, I let your point of information stand so that you request that further information.

2083
02:52:46,360 --> 02:52:56,060
Just to clarify, whether the resolution is supported or not, we have a problem here that we got to deal with.

2084
02:52:56,060 --> 02:53:02,620
We have private business owners landowners that are footing the bill from a systematic

2085
02:53:02,620 --> 02:53:03,560
problem.

2086
02:53:03,560 --> 02:53:06,640
So you can add this a matter of view for a frame from speaking.

2087
02:53:07,060 --> 02:53:08,560
I'm not going to refrain from speaking.

2088
02:53:09,560 --> 02:53:13,760
This is a very important, well I'd like to keep speaking.

2089
02:53:13,880 --> 02:53:15,220
I'll raise a point of order.

2090
02:53:16,820 --> 02:53:18,040
I'll raise a point of order.

2091
02:53:18,120 --> 02:53:19,360
I'd like to keep speaking.

2092
02:53:19,580 --> 02:53:20,300
You can move on.

2093
02:53:20,660 --> 02:53:21,300
You can move on.

2094
02:53:21,360 --> 02:53:22,700
You can rule on the point of order.

2095
02:53:23,600 --> 02:53:25,360
I'm going to call for order in this chamber.

2096
02:53:25,360 --> 02:53:26,880
There's a point of order.

2097
02:53:27,980 --> 02:53:29,480
Please rise on your point of order.

2098
02:53:29,640 --> 02:53:30,260
What is point of order?

2099
02:53:30,280 --> 02:53:31,740
I would like to continue speaking.

2100
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:34,260
And if you say no, I'll appeal your decision to the members.

2101
02:53:35,380 --> 02:53:36,520
That's not how this works.

2102
02:53:36,880 --> 02:53:37,620
It's a good decision.

2103
02:53:37,740 --> 02:53:39,560
We could pull out the procedure by love.

2104
02:53:39,740 --> 02:53:42,460
We need to to be able to read through for everyone's information.

2105
02:53:42,460 --> 02:53:46,640
What a point of order is and how we actually deal with it.

2106
02:53:46,820 --> 02:53:48,680
That being said, as I was trying to say,

2107
02:53:48,740 --> 02:53:50,340
you are not bringing forward any new thoughts.

2108
02:53:50,840 --> 02:53:54,780
You're continuing on the same line of commentary that you've already brought forward.

2109
02:53:54,780 --> 02:53:57,680
I feel like I'm going to try and move this along in the meeting.

2110
02:53:58,040 --> 02:53:59,000
This is not a classroom.

2111
02:53:59,260 --> 02:53:59,600
This is a class room.

2112
02:53:59,600 --> 02:54:00,060
This is a class room.

2113
02:54:00,400 --> 02:54:03,200
You are interrupting the air while she is speaking.

2114
02:54:03,800 --> 02:54:05,840
I'm going to give you an opportunity to reflect.

2115
02:54:06,460 --> 02:54:07,020
I'm not on.

2116
02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:08,600
This is not a classroom.

2117
02:54:08,900 --> 02:54:09,220
Your worship.

2118
02:54:09,380 --> 02:54:10,180
This is a class room.

2119
02:54:11,480 --> 02:54:13,220
Your conduct is not appropriate.

2120
02:54:15,940 --> 02:54:16,900
Thank you.

2121
02:54:17,200 --> 02:54:18,220
Put your shot up.

2122
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:20,020
Okay.

2123
02:54:20,420 --> 02:54:20,760
Okay.

2124
02:54:21,380 --> 02:54:23,780
I'm going to ask for a recess so that everyone can.

2125
02:54:23,780 --> 02:54:32,000
can compose themselves. We are going to recess for five minutes. We'll come back to this discussion at 835 for the vote.

2126
02:54:33,620 --> 02:54:35,140
Alright, everyone's ready to continue.

2127
02:54:38,030 --> 02:54:45,230
I'll thank our clerk for just clarifying on the words used. I did say adjourn, but I was just resessing the meeting until 835.

2128
02:54:45,590 --> 02:54:53,450
So thank you everyone for that. I also just want to start off before we get back into agenda by saying that no one in this room

2129
02:54:53,450 --> 02:54:58,710
should be subject to that kind of unparalleled entry behavior, and that everyone around this

2130
02:54:58,710 --> 02:55:03,050
council table has the right to raise a point of order. When a fellow member of council is

2131
02:55:03,050 --> 02:55:08,670
conducting themselves, you know, and again an unparalleled management matter, and if they're not

2132
02:55:08,670 --> 02:55:14,610
adhering to our procedure by law, or they're not adhering to our quote of conduct. But everyone has

2133
02:55:14,610 --> 02:55:22,000
the right to raise a point of order to point that out. With that, let's continue on with the agenda

2134
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:23,040
I'll

2135
02:55:26,020 --> 02:55:28,400
need reminding where we are in the U.S.

2136
02:55:29,040 --> 02:55:33,320
We need to vote on the resolution on item.

2137
02:55:33,700 --> 02:55:34,720
As it was amended.

2138
02:55:35,920 --> 02:55:36,060
Thank you.

2139
02:55:36,360 --> 02:55:39,160
Point or worship or if I may.

2140
02:55:40,980 --> 02:55:45,620
I will state that what just took place is unacceptable and not proper behavior.

2141
02:55:46,220 --> 02:55:50,720
There is little value that any of us raising a point of order can do when you're

2142
02:55:50,720 --> 02:55:51,860
already raising a point of order.

2143
02:55:51,860 --> 02:55:59,560
Um, he was out of order. I agree. Uh, what took place wasn't appropriate. Um, and what took place from the audience wasn't appropriate as well.

2144
02:56:00,380 --> 02:56:06,480
So, um, I agree with you. He should, we should not have to endure that. Um,

2145
02:56:08,680 --> 02:56:11,040
the steps that our procedure by a lawyer to

2146
02:56:11,040 --> 02:56:14,540
system asking to leave if he doesn't come to order when you're calling a point of order like we

2147
02:56:14,540 --> 02:56:19,640
can have five less calling a point of order and are doing what if we want but he's not

2148
02:56:19,640 --> 02:56:24,380
going to come to order so I do agree with you I apologize that you as chair had to experience that

2149
02:56:26,740 --> 02:56:38,660
again and wish members would come to order when they are called order yeah yeah the motion's been

2150
02:56:38,660 --> 02:56:47,560
moved, it's been seconded, as amended, and so it is still on the floor for a vote with that, I guess.

2151
02:56:47,600 --> 02:56:53,080
It's just point of order to the clerk. Can you vote on an item if the mover has departed the meeting?

2152
02:56:54,020 --> 02:56:59,160
We should technically have a remover. I'm happy to let it fall off the agenda.

2153
02:57:00,400 --> 02:57:08,000
Okay. So we're going to move our no longer present. No one else volunteering to move this resolution.

2154
02:57:09,520 --> 02:57:15,160
We'll drop off the agenda and we'll go on to item 8. I don't think it's worth it.

2155
02:57:15,900 --> 02:57:16,820
It's a problem in here, please.

2156
02:57:18,640 --> 02:57:19,400
Thank you, Worship.

2157
02:57:19,660 --> 02:57:23,260
Move by Councillor Kerley, second by Councillor Sal, bit resolved the council proves the

2158
02:57:23,260 --> 02:57:25,360
2025 Council remuneration report.

2159
02:57:26,660 --> 02:57:27,480
Any discussions?

2160
02:57:29,100 --> 02:57:30,740
Cloth to the vote, all in favour?

2161
02:57:34,540 --> 02:57:35,060
Thank

2162
02:57:39,120 --> 02:57:39,640
you.

2163
02:57:39,960 --> 02:57:40,120
Worship.

2164
02:57:40,360 --> 02:57:41,220
Blue by Councilor Black.

2165
02:57:41,420 --> 02:57:42,120
Second by Councilor Murray.

2166
02:57:42,240 --> 02:57:48,620
Be it resolved by 2023-02 being about it to enter into an agreement with Janet Fleming Canada at ULC.

2167
02:57:48,880 --> 02:57:54,300
Regarding the comprehensive transit master plan with integrated route optimization in the amount of

2168
02:57:54,300 --> 02:58:00,980
$448,86 plus HST, being an active and fast.

2169
02:58:01,340 --> 02:58:03,400
Question on the paper.

2170
02:58:04,820 --> 02:58:05,320
I'm just curious.

2171
02:58:08,670 --> 02:58:09,550
Eight, J. Please.

2172
02:58:10,390 --> 02:58:13,570
Thank you, we're sure to move by Councilor Kerley, second by Councilor Sallow, bit resolved

2173
02:58:13,570 --> 02:58:20,010
about a 269303 being about the entry to an agreement with MCA contracting limited regarding

2174
02:58:20,010 --> 02:58:26,710
the rehabilitation of the Golden Avenue Bridge in the amount of $684,526.41 plus HST.

2175
02:58:26,710 --> 02:58:29,170
given third and final reading being enacted in past.

2176
02:58:30,330 --> 02:58:32,410
In discussion, all in favor,

2177
02:58:34,570 --> 02:58:37,790
which is carrying M8K, please?

2178
02:58:38,450 --> 02:58:40,230
Thank you, Your Worship, move by Councillor Wassale,

2179
02:58:40,370 --> 02:58:41,150
second by Councillor Kerley.

2180
02:58:41,250 --> 02:58:45,670
Be it resolved that while at 22690-304, being about it to enter into an agreement with

2181
02:58:45,670 --> 02:58:50,090
for power construction limited regarding the water main lining of Riverside Drive in

2182
02:58:50,090 --> 02:58:55,670
the amount of 4,950,000 plus HST given third and final reading being enacted in

2183
02:58:55,670 --> 02:58:56,130
past.

2184
02:58:57,440 --> 02:58:58,460
All in favour?

2185
02:59:00,780 --> 02:59:01,400
Or since carrying?

2186
02:59:03,260 --> 02:59:04,420
Item 8 L please.

2187
02:59:07,200 --> 02:59:07,600
Thank you, Worship.

2188
02:59:07,780 --> 02:59:08,740
Move by Council Curly.

2189
02:59:08,960 --> 02:59:09,660
Second by Council Murray.

2190
02:59:09,760 --> 02:59:11,940
Be it resolved by the 226905.

2191
02:59:12,140 --> 02:59:15,760
Being about to enter into an agreement with Urban Link Civil Limited.

2192
02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:21,140
Regarding the replacement of the Evan Street Bridge in the amount of 5,107,850 dollars plus

2193
02:59:21,140 --> 02:59:21,720
HST.

2194
02:59:21,720 --> 02:59:22,920
Be given third and final reading.

2195
02:59:23,120 --> 02:59:24,060
Be an active and passed.

2196
02:59:25,340 --> 02:59:25,820
Discussion?

2197
02:59:27,600 --> 02:59:28,180
All in favour?

2198
02:59:31,280 --> 02:59:34,080
Thank you.

2199
02:59:34,240 --> 02:59:38,180
We'll be back from the 27th.

2200
02:59:55,520 --> 02:59:55,720
That was a great one.

2201
02:59:55,720 --> 02:59:57,340
We're back from the 27th.

2202
02:59:58,160 --> 02:59:58,760
in discussion.

2203
03:00:01,010 --> 03:00:04,470
Motion's carrying. Item 8N, please.

2204
03:00:08,050 --> 03:00:11,330
Thank you, Worship. Moved by Councilor Black, second by Councillor Murray, bid result of the

2205
03:00:11,330 --> 03:00:15,690
ballot 2026-93-07, being about to enter into a two-year lease agreement with

2206
03:00:15,690 --> 03:00:19,590
while retaining clayworks respecting the lease of space in the McIntyre Community Complex.

2207
03:00:19,590 --> 03:00:24,790
We give in third and final reading and be enacted in the past. Any discussion? All in favour?

2208
03:00:25,730 --> 03:00:26,250
So, it's carried.

2209
03:00:28,880 --> 03:00:29,720
On to eight o'clock, please.

2210
03:00:33,890 --> 03:00:35,630
Thank you, Worship, Moved by Councilor Westell,

2211
03:00:35,630 --> 03:00:36,510
by Councillor Curley.

2212
03:00:36,770 --> 03:00:41,430
Be it resolved by the 2022-690-308 being about a two-point McKayla sov is a municipal enforcement

2213
03:00:41,430 --> 03:00:45,690
officer for animal control, as well as a municipal investigator with the Ontario Wildlife

2214
03:00:45,690 --> 03:00:48,550
Damage Program, given third and final reading being enacted in the past.

2215
03:00:49,190 --> 03:00:49,650
All in favour?

2216
03:00:52,550 --> 03:00:52,850
This is Karen.

2217
03:00:54,370 --> 03:00:54,950
I'm not at eight.

2218
03:00:55,230 --> 03:00:55,350
Please.

2219
03:00:57,570 --> 03:00:58,290
Thank you, Worship.

2220
03:00:58,430 --> 03:00:59,450
Move by Councillor Blacks.

2221
03:00:59,490 --> 03:01:00,190
I can by Councillor Murray.

2222
03:01:00,390 --> 03:01:04,770
Be it resolved by 2022-690-309 being about to enter to an agreement with Ontario Health

2223
03:01:04,770 --> 03:01:08,550
regarding the funding agreement relating to French language, multi-lingual and accessibility

2224
03:01:08,550 --> 03:01:11,430
supports, but you have a third and final reading being enacted in the past.

2225
03:01:13,430 --> 03:01:13,830
Any discussion?

2226
03:01:15,230 --> 03:01:15,950
Any other favour?

2227
03:01:17,210 --> 03:01:17,710
Which is carried?

2228
03:01:19,150 --> 03:01:20,410
On to eight queues please.

2229
03:01:23,270 --> 03:01:23,690
Thank you, Worship.

2230
03:01:23,850 --> 03:01:24,830
Move by Council Wassel.

2231
03:01:25,030 --> 03:01:25,790
Second by Councillor Murray.

2232
03:01:25,890 --> 03:01:27,510
Be it resolved by 2023.

2233
03:01:27,810 --> 03:01:31,730
Ten being about entered to the agreement with Zamboni company limited regarding the purchase

2234
03:01:31,730 --> 03:01:37,210
of one electric ice resurfacer in the amount of 163,000, 270 dollars plus HST.

2235
03:01:37,210 --> 03:01:39,550
We've given third and final reading be enacted and passed.

2236
03:01:40,610 --> 03:01:41,250
Any discussion?

2237
03:01:42,730 --> 03:01:43,510
All right, all in favor.

2238
03:01:44,750 --> 03:01:45,290
Which is carrying?

2239
03:01:47,520 --> 03:01:48,340
Eight R, please.

2240
03:01:51,170 --> 03:01:51,470
Thank you.

2241
03:01:51,630 --> 03:01:52,730
We're going to move by Councillor Murray.

2242
03:01:52,810 --> 03:01:53,770
Second by Councillor Curley.

2243
03:01:53,930 --> 03:01:56,170
Be it resolved by 2020-26-93-11.

2244
03:01:56,290 --> 03:01:59,830
Being about to enter into an agreement with the Minister of Solicitor General regarding

2245
03:01:59,830 --> 03:02:01,910
Ontario Fire Protection Grant Transfer Payment.

2246
03:02:01,930 --> 03:02:04,070
We've given third and final reading be enacted and passed.

2247
03:02:05,170 --> 03:02:05,690
Any discussion?

2248
03:02:06,830 --> 03:02:07,650
All in favor?

2249
03:02:08,850 --> 03:02:09,430
Much is carried.

2250
03:02:11,700 --> 03:02:15,180
item nine is notice motions are they going to be heard this evening.

2251
03:02:16,280 --> 03:02:16,980
All right, see none.

2252
03:02:17,140 --> 03:02:19,240
I'll ask for any resolution to adjourn please.

2253
03:02:19,460 --> 03:02:20,000
Thank you.

2254
03:02:20,120 --> 03:02:20,260
Worship.

2255
03:02:20,420 --> 03:02:20,940
Move by council.

2256
03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:22,100
Second by council.

2257
03:02:22,200 --> 03:02:23,040
Curly bit resolved.

2258
03:02:23,040 --> 03:02:25,520
This meeting adjourn at 842 PM.

2259
03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:27,800
All in favor of adjournment.

2260
03:02:27,980 --> 03:02:28,100
Thank you.

2261
03:02:28,180 --> 03:02:30,040
Good evening everyone.