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[0:00] Good evening, everyone. It's now 530 p.m., I'll call for meeting to order and then that's how we all rise for a candidate.
[1:47] I'd like to re-conciliation and acknowledge that Timmins is situated in Treaty 9 territory, also known as the James Bay Treaty,
[1:53] led that steeped in the rich indigenous history of British nation,
[1:58] my touch-long first nation, and flying post-first nation. There are many first nation-made T. and in-away people
[2:02] from a cross-triod a lie that live and work in Timmins today.
[2:06] Indigenous peoples have survived and thrived on these lands prior to colonization for time immoral.
[2:09] As we gather tonight to discuss and make decisions, that will impact our residents.
[2:14] Let us remember the past, consider its truths, and ensure we're always moving forward in a better way for all.
[2:20] Me, which, please sit.
[2:30] The next item on the agenda here is declaration of security interests in the general nature of.
[2:34] What are the words that you've received beforehand, are there any to be declared now?
[2:37] Point of order, I'd like to add an item under presentations.
[2:41] Okay, I'm going to ask that we get through the declaration of security interests this item before we go on to that.
[2:47] As I was asking, are there any to be declared now?
[2:52] Okay, C-9, we can go on with the agenda,
[2:54] a point of order was raised to add an item to the agenda.
[2:57] It should be understood that to add an item
[2:59] to the agenda this evening, it would require two
[3:01] thirds of majority, Councillor Gastonovich
[3:05] had invited you to bring forward your motion.
[3:08] Yeah, just to have a brief discussion on the winter,
[3:13] how rough it's been and what's the head?
[3:15] Just to brief discussion amongst members.
[3:16] So, I'll need two thirds to have that discussion.
[3:20] Okay, discussion without any information or data.
[3:23] Yeah, I think it's about time.
[3:25] The motion to add a discussion item about the winter.
[3:30] What's happened in the forest, I believe?
[3:33] And what's to come?
[3:34] Q, do we have a mover for that?
[3:37] A secondary, sorry, is what I meant.
[3:39] Councilor Curley in all in favor.
[3:43] Okay, the items been added, that'll be added to the end of our presentation and reports
[3:50] I imagine, since we don't have this section of the agenda for discussions, and so this
[3:54] will be opportunity to present the item.
[4:00] That addressed, let's go on to item 5A, please.
[4:04] So that is a presentation on the Golden Manor redevelopment, our 2025 Q4 updates.
[4:10] We have Q1 as well, and for that we have our consultants in here, Mr. Simon Grash from
[4:14] B-T-I. Welcome again Mr. Branch, and when you're ready, the floor is yours.
[4:55] Good evening.
[4:58] Glad to be back. So, I'm bringing the March 2026 update on the Google
[5:04] Manor Read Development Project.
[5:10] A quick snapshot status update, a project is tracking on budget,
[5:14] 87% completion, currently scheduled for building turnover this September. Major
[5:22] activities including the building envelope, continue,
[5:25] mental-cladding along the outside. Inside the building we're
[5:28] continuing with our fit-outs and our iCAT, which is information communication,
[5:34] automation technology, those works are also progressing throughout the
[5:38] building. In terms of our ministry approvals, we are planning to make a
[5:43] submission shortly to the ministry.
[5:48] I think we, no, sorry, here we have a
[5:51] table, which I would like to show. Draw your attention as usual to the far-right column. Show
[5:58] in the variance. We're showing projected zero variance, which means we're tracking right
[6:03] to budget.
[6:09] Point of note with the construction management contract with L's Dawn. We are
[6:15] converting that to guaranteed maximum price. Understand this was, well, this has already
[6:20] been approved. Of course, just a quick recap, all risks that were previously shared were
[6:26] relating to scope, gap, delay, acceleration, or cost of work. There's now been transferred
[6:30] over to Ellis Don, like carrying all of that risk now moving forward. We're only carrying
[6:35] the contingency. We have for changes to scope, so any changes that are issued at this
[6:40] point will have a lot to carry a little small contingency for ourselves. It has been factored
[6:45] to the in the financial table I just showed you before, so we've accounted for
[6:53] it.
[6:54] I'm going risk to the project previously, the furniture, fixtures and equipment procurements,
[7:00] delay in procuring and delivering those and their potential to impact all project works downstream
[7:07] of there.
[7:08] At this point we have procured all the critical packages, large ones, furniture, all the TVs,
[7:14] AV equipment that's getting delivered to be installed.
[7:19] There's only one or two elements still to yet for purchase wars to be issued.
[7:24] So we've really mitigated this down to as much as you can without having the very last of it.
[7:30] Approaches, there are some items that will be done with credit card, close to the actual move in date or hand over date, I should say.
[7:39] Another risk we have is the Ministry approvals. We need them to issue the license for us to relocate residents into the new building.
[7:48] We are carrying a six week contingency if you like, for the amount of time for the Ministry to come to site, perform their inspection.
[7:57] And then for us to do any kind of follow-up for what we're anticipating to be some minor deficiencies, perhaps, that need to be addressed.
[8:09] Other risks that we've mentioned before, tariffs to construction materials.
[8:13] I have to tell you that all the steel and aluminum based materials have been delivered to sites.
[8:17] There's been no issue, or yeah, no issue with tariffs noted.
[8:23] So that's been taken care of. We can close this risk.
[8:25] Likewise, we are also anticipating possibly a similar impact to the furniture and fixed
[8:32] your equipment purchases.
[8:33] As I just explained, we've gone through most of the packages that almost all done that
[8:39] have been issued with no flagged issues that all impacts, I should say, throughout the entire
[8:44] process.
[8:45] So we're comfortable closing this risk as well.
[8:50] Critical decisions, none to be held this time.
[8:55] critical milestones may is going to be important month where we're going to fit out a lot
[9:02] of the mechanical completion in the, I'm sorry, complete a lot of the mechanical
[9:07] fit out throughout the building and as well as the ICAT and electrical rooms as well
[9:14] so that means that our building systems and commissioning can then start so that's all
[9:19] going to happen in May with the first element finishing in early May and the second
[9:23] at Stardian Lake May.
[9:27] And then in terms of highlights we have to date the Jade Park in
[9:31] Lot, as handed over to the city last year, late last year, we do have a couple landscaping
[9:36] deficiencies that we just need to be rectified the spring, just technically now, but I mean
[9:42] when the snow has melted away. So, well, wait for that. Building construction, we got a drone
[9:50] shot here of the building from the existing gold menors vantage point and you can see from
[9:59] right to left the north wing our cladding works continues. I mentioned earlier finishes are
[10:04] our progressing quite well throughout that portion of the building the center wing exterior works
[10:09] are completely done and we're doing our wall closing within the building so the interior walls
[10:16] steel studs have been set up. We've run all the electrical mechanical elements throughout the walls
[10:23] and now we're closing those in with a dry wall and insulation. And then south wing we're
[10:29] have the cladding as well that's commenced on the exterior and within the inside we are progressing
[10:35] with our paint priming. So going quite well throughout the building. Here's some more photos.
[10:42] little dark on this take but we have the fire suppression system shown to be installed here
[10:48] in this photo.
[10:52] This one is showing the corridors so you can see the level of finish with the
[10:55] paints happening throughout all the way down the corridor.
[11:00] This is one of the electrical rooms
[11:02] with the main electrical room. I should say we've got quite a large piece of equipment there
[11:06] on big gray box on the fire right corner and then you can see all the spools of wire
[11:12] hundreds of meters of wire that is run throughout the building.
[11:19] Exterior now we're showing the ribbox here. This is the building's exterior
[11:23] transformer. So that's been installed.
[11:28] The semi-private resident room entrance
[11:30] through several features here. You can see the track for the acoustic ceiling
[11:36] tiles at the very top. It's now been put in place. We have two cuts into the
[11:41] well with wires hanging from the top there that will be the nurse call system, the dome
[11:45] lights which get installed over the respective residence rooms. And then to the right and
[11:51] laughter either side the entrance we have a mill work cabinet with glass and this is both the
[11:57] glass components of memory box which holds elements of the residence life held there and the
[12:05] rest of the mill work acts as a cabinetry for personal protection equipment. So it's things like
[12:10] dressing gowns and gloves,
[12:16] just detailing some of the major cable that gets the
[12:19] run through this building and the aptly-nade cable tray. So that's well
[12:24] underway as you can see here. This photo is Evans up.
[12:28] Here we're seeing the
[12:30] hand hygiene sinks which are located along the corridors. You're now getting
[12:35] installed throughout the building.
[12:39] Shot showing the service lines that now
[12:42] completely wrapped in insulation covered with protective layer that even have the
[12:47] direction labels and identifying their services and their flow direction as
[12:52] well. So that work is completely done and then we can see the acoustic ceiling
[12:58] tile track is getting installed underneath. So it's getting ready for that to be
[13:03] completed. Mill work getting installed throughout the building.
[13:10] Last item here are
[13:11] ceiling or lift tracks, I should say, there's stalled along the ceilings for the patient
[13:18] lift system.
[13:19] This one here is taken from the perspective of the patient's room.
[13:22] They run over the residents room, sorry.
[13:25] They run over the residents bed and then out through into the washrooms.
[13:29] So this is the track you've seen continue through into that space.
[13:33] So you can see we had to cut the frames to allow that to happen.
[13:38] That's an intended feature, obviously, to make it work.
[13:40] so.
[13:44] Those are all highlights.
[13:50] Thank you. It's nice to see things progressing. I'll open the floor
[13:53] for any questions for Mr. Branch on his presentation. Go ahead, Councillor Filman.
[14:00] Thank you,
[14:01] orship, through you. A couple of questions regarding the conversion from construction management
[14:08] to guarantee maximum price. So I think if I'm correct, we went from originally fixed price
[14:17] to construction management, we're back to a maximum price.
[14:21] But I'm not really clear on the third bullet point
[14:24] that states the owner carries contingency for changing.
[14:29] Because when did that go back on the fixed cost contract?
[14:33] So what happens is the construction managers
[14:35] has to put a firm cost for what they think
[14:38] it's going to be to build what they have today.
[14:41] If you change that, let's say you add some new rooms
[14:44] or features to the building, that needs
[14:46] be compensated separately. They wouldn't be able to forecast that into the guaranteed maximum price.
[14:53] Okay, that's a good clarification, but anything else as far as extras from subcontractors
[14:58] and so on will be captured by...
[15:00] By the fixed, when I say extras to the existing footprint and existing layouts and so on, there won't be extras along those.
[15:11] That's correct. And I noted there. You'll see the specific buckets of risks, the scope gap elements, cost of work, delay, celebrations, those extras, they are all covered in the GMP.
[15:21] And just to follow up question, so what prompted this conversion at this stage of the project?
[15:29] As you get further along and you have less to finish,
[15:33] you can grab a certain greater level of certainty into terms of putting a firmer price on it.
[15:40] So it was just a piece that developed along that we wanted to have a firm final price to present to you as what we believe the cost would be.
[15:47] as opposed to sharing the risk of reward as we've been doing up until that point.
[15:53] Okay, thank you and just one last question. Does this guaranteed maximum price stay within
[16:01] the budget that was set earlier? Yeah, that's right. I showed a table up previously and it showed
[16:08] all the costs and variance of zero and that that table doesn't incorporate the guaranteed
[16:13] maximum price. That's the latest. So yeah, absolutely. Okay. Thank you. Who's your
[16:17] mic questions?
[16:20] Thank you. Are there any other questions from Mr. Branch?
[16:27] Well, thank you very much.
[16:28] If you'd like to see on schedule on budget. So let's keep that up and we would forward to
[16:33] seeing the next update, which will bring us how much closer to completion. Excellent. Thank you.
[16:38] Thank you very much.
[16:43] Next item on our agenda here is item 5b. This is a presentation on a new
[16:47] higher hall locations for information purposes.
[16:50] This will be presented by consultants, Ryan Stitt,
[16:53] in Brandon, Florida, Luzzi, from Solter, Pylen,
[16:58] I'm realizing, as I've read that, Solter, P-10.
[17:03] Welcome, and the floor is yours when it's ready.
[17:34] Excellent.
[17:35] Well, thanks everybody for allowing us to speak today.
[17:39] We are new in front of Council,
[17:41] so we'll give a quick introduction to ourselves
[17:42] and then we'll get rid of the presentation.
[17:45] So we are Solter, Pylen Architecture.
[17:46] My name is Ryan Stitt. I'm the president of Salt Peeler Architecture and we do a vast amount of work in the public sector
[17:55] but specifically with interest in first responder facilities being fire paramedics and police.
[18:01] And we're very excited to be involved in this new project for Tim and Sears.
[18:06] Well, let it, Brandon, introduce himself as well here.
[18:10] Yeah, perfect. Thank you. I'm Brandon Bordelitz. I'm an associate at Salt Peeler and Project Architect.
[18:14] I'll be the one leading this project for its lifespan from our offices side of things and again,
[18:21] over my career, my focus has been primarily on fire facilities across six or seven different
[18:26] municipalities across the province and, you know, three or four others on going as well.
[18:32] So, keen area of our focus as we kind of help develop the vision for Tim and his new main fire
[18:38] hall.
[18:39] Yeah, it's a very quickly today, our agenda, we're going to talk about the programming of the
[18:43] talk about the site evaluation that we've gone through, look at the recommendations for site
[18:49] selection and then have a bit of an open discussion at the end we would assume as well.
[18:56] So as Ryan alluded to there, we have three main pieces for the conversation today. The first
[19:01] piece is programming. This is over viewing the existing facilities for Tim and Fire current
[19:06] needs that are not met by those facilities. Future growth potential and improvements to service
[19:11] delivery. This is done not in terms of a finalized design, but rather to give us an overall
[19:17] program to allow us to move to Stage 2, which is a test fit. This is reviewing that program
[19:21] against two sites that have been identified by City staff for review. We've done a preliminary
[19:27] evaluation of how that building program fits on that site as well as other constraints with
[19:31] those two properties, including review of future growth potential and review of zoning and regulatory
[19:36] constraints with those. And then based on that, we've developed some pros and cons of each location
[19:40] and provide a recommendation for next steps
[19:43] based on that evaluation of the two properties.
[19:48] So we'll start out with the programming and schematic elements.
[19:52] There are three, again, pieces that we
[19:53] reviewed during this phase with the Timmins Fire Group,
[19:57] as well as city staff.
[19:59] Starting off with the requirements for the building,
[20:00] we had initial discussions reviewing existing facilities
[20:04] with the chief deputy and members of staff.
[20:06] Identified current stressors in the existing facilities,
[20:09] as well as areas of best practice from other municipalities
[20:12] is that we've worked with and we've reviewed across the province for integration into a new
[20:16] facility. We've also reviewed the needs of fire service today, but also in a forward-looking
[20:21] manner for where the service looks to be as it grows in the coming years, identified items
[20:26] to improve level of service delivery by Timons Fire and looked at emergency operations facilities
[20:32] for emergency management and future growth as a regional emergency management Ontario hub for the
[20:37] building. These pieces of the program were then looked at from an organizational
[20:42] perspective. Key operational silos were reviewed, again, in a way to allow the best
[20:49] service delivery of the building. A review of shared versus private spaces throughout
[20:54] the facility, looking at administrative function, fire suppression, and decontamination,
[20:59] health and safety functions. And then these were all right-size for the needs of
[21:03] to men's fire, again, looking at future needs as well as industry standards, spaces are
[21:08] sized to be comfortable and functional while maintaining an overall efficiency of the
[21:12] building size and development.
[21:16] So as noted, those program areas were divided into four key zones.
[21:20] These are color coded to reference to a floor plan that's a couple slides ahead in the
[21:24] presentation.
[21:25] The administrative function includes office space for senior leadership, fire prevention,
[21:30] training divisions as well as training larger training spaces to hold training exercises
[21:36] and classes.
[21:38] There's additional meeting and support space, public facing space for interaction with the
[21:42] public and other city staff and officials as well as a area for display of historic memorabilia
[21:49] and cultural artifacts from the Tumans Fire Service.
[21:52] There's emergency operations facilities included for future emergency management and regional
[22:00] and space allocated for timins volunteer firefighters, both office and kind of close cruise space on that side of things.
[22:10] On the suppression side, it mimics much of the other fire stations across the province.
[22:16] Crewquarters provided for active duty firefighters, including dorms, kitchen and work areas,
[22:22] an apparatus garage with a storage of maintenance of fire vehicles and storage and support spaces for equipment maintenance and response readiness.
[22:30] And then the third piece of the key programming there is the decontamination space. So this is separate space allocated for the health and safety of firefighters. It's space dedicated to the washing and decontamination of gear, including the trucks themselves, the apparatus, to minimize the negative impacts of toxins on long-term health care for firefighters.
[22:50] protocols in this area are growing, and the version of this put forward is kind of the current
[22:56] best foot forward approach that's being used across the province. In fact, it does, you
[23:02] know, go above and beyond to meet some of the health and safety needs that are coming up in the future
[23:07] across the province as well.
[23:09] And then there's the additional outdoor spaces that are required for the program, and these aren't
[23:12] necessarily identified on the floor plans, but includes crew patio space, a firefighter
[23:19] on site and future growth areas for outdoor training grounds.
[23:26] The numbers on this side are a little small,
[23:27] so I apologize for that,
[23:28] but we've put some kind of key bullet points here.
[23:31] Those four key program areas, like I said,
[23:33] we right-sized these comparing to current facilities,
[23:36] other municipalities across the province,
[23:38] and kind of functional needs.
[23:39] We've included a 25% gross up factor
[23:41] for unforeseen pieces of the program that may come up,
[23:45] but as well as services, building structure, et cetera.
[23:49] And this got us to a total expected gross footprint
[23:51] about a 40,000 square foot facility that includes both garage spaces, both the decompamination
[23:56] and the response garage.
[23:59] We then took those and put them into a preliminary schematic floor plan to show that
[24:03] organization, again, of the admin area towards the front of the facility to allow that public
[24:08] interface crew areas towards the rear adjacent directly to their response zone for the vehicles
[24:13] and the decontamination area to the top of that page north here to allow equipment and
[24:20] to be decontaminated on the one side and then brought round into the response side after they've been cleaned effectively.
[24:27] And going through this exercise, we're able to find some efficiencies in the layout of those spaces to come up with a footprint of this currently sitting around 36,000 square feet.
[24:38] Having that footprint allowed us to then move into the location review and evaluation of test fitting for sites.
[24:45] So looking at the location, the fit and regulatory requirements.
[24:48] again, the location needs to serve the needs of the fire department, response times, access
[24:52] to main roads, congestion, traffic maneuverability, fit relates to how well the proposed
[24:57] footprint sits on the site, is there ample space for the programming pieces required, both
[25:02] in the building and on site, and then obviously from a regulatory perspective, there is zoning
[25:06] requirements, external authorities, conservation authorities, and then services as well that
[25:11] have been reviewed at a preliminary level. So we were tasked with reviewing two sites
[25:18] identified by city staff, the first one is on Algonquin between Cedar and Balsam, currently
[25:23] a parking lot. The second one is along Highway 655, so we'll jump into each of those one by
[25:31] one here. So first site A, this is the in town parking lot site on Algonquin. The identified
[25:38] property is an ideal location in terms of central location in the core of the city,
[25:43] loss flexibility in response direction due to a banquet being right there. However, there are concerns
[25:49] with the tightness of this area allowing the circulation of apparatus vehicles in and out of the site.
[25:55] And when we jump to the one of the next couple slides, we'll see that with the building footprint
[26:00] sitting on there, that concern gets further increased because allowing vehicles to pull out of these
[26:06] garages and make the turns that these intersections is currently not feasible with how close we
[26:14] So the ideal building footprint, as I identified previously, is not a suitable fit for this
[26:18] property.
[26:19] It sits very close to property lines, restricting potential for some of those outdoor
[26:22] spaces noted.
[26:24] In a key manner, we would not be able to have any of the outdoor spaces aside from the
[26:28] vehicle aprons that we mentioned, as well as no potential for on-site parking.
[26:33] The footprint also encroaches into the site boundaries of non-city owned properties and
[26:37] existing businesses around that piece of property.
[26:40] And the property, in addition, has significant grade change towards the intersection of
[26:45] Algonquin and Balsam, meaning that fire vehicles responding out that way would likely
[26:50] have to contend with driveways that have significant sloping and or have been supplemented
[26:56] with retaining structures that may prevent the flow of those vehicles.
[27:02] And obviously, because of all this, the site does not allow for future growth potential as
[27:07] From a regulatory perspective, however this site would be a great fit, there's no limits
[27:12] on lock coverage setback or building height in this zone, so there is flexibility within
[27:17] the building form.
[27:18] However, looking at just the size of the garage space alone, even if we were to manipulate the
[27:23] administrative quarters by going into a multi-story scenario, we would still be encroaching
[27:28] on those neighboring properties, the garage space themselves, take up the entirety of the
[27:33] is currently sitting on property.
[27:36] These items do not also resolve any future growth potential
[27:40] for both the facility itself,
[27:42] as well as potential future training facilities
[27:44] that fire as identified.
[27:47] So site B is a location along Highway 655.
[27:52] The identified property is again noted
[27:54] as being beneficial while not right in the central core.
[27:57] It does allow response times to a different set of areas
[28:01] with some efficiency using both the highway
[28:04] and then it's close proximity to Algonquin for that response.
[28:09] It also allows for is an advantageous location for the future growth of the city,
[28:14] and presents the opportunity to consolidate with the Schumacher volunteer fire station
[28:17] to create a composite station with state-of-the-art facilities,
[28:20] so that a larger contingent of firefighting within the city
[28:24] of Timons can be carried out to a state-of-the-art equipment and facilities.
[28:30] The building fit on this property is no concern.
[28:34] It is a much larger property than even what we're showing here is an allocated use.
[28:38] There's sufficient lands for the building parking, fire vehicle circulation,
[28:42] as well as some of the other onsite amenities we noted,
[28:45] and expansion for future onsite firefighter training grounds.
[28:49] The one concern with the building fit on this site is obviously
[28:52] how close we would have to have driveways together,
[28:54] However, preliminary conversations with the MTO have been held
[28:58] to allow two driveway locations along the highway.
[29:01] Granted one is only used for emergency vehicle egress,
[29:03] which the main fire vehicle apron would be.
[29:07] From a regulatory perspective,
[29:10] nothing of great concern in the building form itself.
[29:13] That said, it is zone currently as a hazard zone.
[29:17] We do know that there are some poor sub-service conditions
[29:20] including tailings.
[29:21] preliminary discussions have been held with our team and with external groups as well to
[29:27] look at alternative options to either rehabilitate and or find alternative structural responses
[29:32] to deal with those conditions without incurring exorbitant cost. These conversations are ongoing
[29:42] and will continue as we move into the next phases of the project.
[29:48] So based on this and in summary
[29:51] We recommend that based on the content of this presentation and the due diligence to date,
[29:56] that there's an endorsement of a decision to proceed with the further work on the site.
[30:00] Education on Highway 655, to allow the project to proceed into a design development and detailed design stage. This will allow for further updates on costing, more detailed design of the building and site works, engagement of other engineering groups to do some further investigation on some of the conditions discussed in today's presentation.
[30:19] And the key factors for this recommendation for the Highway 655 site are the site fit, the amalgamation of Schumacher station, potential for future growth and expansion.
[30:29] access and flow of emergency vehicles the opportunity for onsite modern training grounds and the
[30:34] opportunities for onsite stormwater management.
[30:39] And we'd like to open it up for any questions
[30:41] of discussion. Thank you for the work done so far on this and for the presentations. We'll open
[30:47] it up for discussion. Go ahead, Councillor Gistana. Just a quick question. I see you alone to the fact
[30:53] that without, if you put it on 655, you'll be able to amalgamate
[30:58] with the Schumacher station, if we, I don't like to 655 site, personally.
[31:05] If we don't proceed, there's still going to be a Schumacher station, correct?
[31:11] We don't expect to hear what's in the corporation.
[31:16] Yeah, through your wish, by defer this to the chief for the comment on that item.
[31:23] Chief?
[31:24] Thank you.
[31:24] to be as a counselor. If we don't go to that location, that we aren't going to be in any
[31:29] where in the vicinity of Jamaica, we wouldn't be amalgamating out of the stations.
[31:35] Okay. So then what I'd like to see then is to look at me for myself personally,
[31:41] is to look at other sites. I don't find that site to be adequate. Thank you.
[31:47] Do you want to count to currently?
[31:50] Thank you. I have a couple of questions.
[31:54] First of all, I'll start off with thank you for
[31:56] presentations, they need some drawings or anything else.
[31:59] The President's site that we have, the existing fair hall, would that not the land there
[32:06] not be sufficient for an expansion or, I mean, you're fully aligned there.
[32:13] So is that a possibility of even looked at a possible expansion or not at the top?
[32:19] If I have a couple of questions, if we want to do one at a time, if we can?
[32:29] We did look at that site so that site does seem to be large in scale when you look at it.
[32:35] But in fact it's quite smaller than the other downtown site that we're looking at as well right now.
[32:41] The way the building situated right now is there's no back entrance into that building.
[32:46] So the facility that we're providing in the schematic plans right now is a dry through station,
[32:51] which allows the fire vehicles to enter from the back of the station and exit from the front of the station,
[32:56] which is the safest way to approach any fire facility.
[33:00] Because it is backing on to the future home property,
[33:04] there is no access to the back of that property
[33:06] for fire vehicles.
[33:08] So we limit that portion of it as well.
[33:11] If we were to build a building on that site,
[33:13] it would take up the existing footprint of the building
[33:15] and the footprint of the current parking lot as well.
[33:18] And we would end up with no parking on that property as well.
[33:21] So there's a few high-level items that we looked at
[33:24] Brennan, if you want to expand on those, that put us into a limitation of why we be looking
[33:29] at a suitable fit on the existing site to itself.
[33:34] Yeah, I think in addition to that, there was a stated goal in working with the Fire Department
[33:39] to provide a single story facility, which is in addition to the drive-through base, also the best
[33:45] practice for Fire Facilities across the province, it allows for safer response for active
[33:52] duty firefighters responding to a call not having to traverse stairs in an emergency or
[33:56] rush situation.
[33:58] It's the way that most departments across the province have moved towards and there would
[34:02] not be an opportunity to fit a single single story facility with all the needs of this
[34:06] station, including the decontamination procedures on that site.
[34:09] Because the decontamination procedures are garage space that we're showing currently is already
[34:14] larger than that existing building is on its own.
[34:17] We then are adding two additional bays for the decontamination garage and would still need
[34:21] find space to host the administrative functions.
[34:24] OK, thank you.
[34:25] I just wanted to hear if you had looked at it itself.
[34:27] I know the laneway in the back and the funeral home, obviously it's pretty hard to
[34:33] go there and what else you could possibly do there.
[34:36] So, thank you for that one.
[34:37] The other one was I guess the site conditions, the ground conditions on 655, we think you
[34:45] which is a little bit on that one.
[34:48] Soil samples, because we did do some, not taking years ago,
[34:53] and it's not the best soil to have anything constructed on,
[34:59] because I think if we did look at,
[35:03] or possible,
[35:08] recreational facility there.
[35:10] So, obviously, are you taking an information that we presently have
[35:14] and reviewing it and further tests will have to be done?
[35:19] Yeah, through your worship. That's correct. So on that property,
[35:24] where we're looking to place the fire station is not exactly where the proposed location for the
[35:29] rec center was. Now, the soils are similar in condition across that whole area there. We do
[35:34] know that there's tailings, but we do know that there's beb rock as well below those tailings.
[35:39] So we have taken the time to have considerations on what type of ground improvements would be
[35:44] necessary on that property, whether it be, you know, micro piles,
[35:50] helical piles, ram dagger appears.
[35:52] There are different systems that allow us to build on that property.
[35:56] So we don't have that much concern for what's there.
[35:59] Yes, additional testing will have to be taken.
[36:02] When a site doesn't have a purpose built, our purpose design facility,
[36:06] we don't necessarily know when a geotech consultant goes in there,
[36:09] what they're looking to design for in the future.
[36:11] So as we propose what the footprint of the building looks like
[36:14] further sampling would be done at the footprint of the building, but also in the drive
[36:19] aisles, the parking lots, so that we have those soil conditions so that our civil and
[36:23] our structural teams can develop the design to work alongside that as well. In saying that
[36:28] the downtown property, we would have the same situation. We'd be doing testing on that property
[36:32] as well and we don't know exactly what's on there as well. So there's always risks with
[36:38] ground in any type of development when we know it's not a greenfield site. So we'd be
[36:44] the same time on the downtown property as well. But to your point, you're absolutely right,
[36:49] there would be further testing on that property to have a full understanding of what the soil
[36:53] is entail for us. Okay, because anything can be built anywhere. It's just a don't anything with it
[36:59] comes across. Correct. And that's the always the nervous part. Yeah, we can build it. It's just
[37:05] it's going to constitute a lot more. So I'm glad you have that. I expected to use to do that. And
[37:11] And then the property that you're talking on 65 is owned by the mine, or is that city property?
[37:23] Yeah, that is city owned property.
[37:26] That location that we're at the furthest south end of the city.
[37:30] Any on portion of that property?
[37:33] So I guess MTOs any development they're looking at doing, would not?
[37:40] Yeah, there has been preliminary conversation with the MTO on the roadway expansion
[37:44] works there, as well as how that would tie into our driveway and expansion works
[37:49] along that area. And the same similar conversations have happened with utility authorities as well
[37:55] to make sure that we can get servicing to that portion of the piece of property
[37:59] because there is not currently servicing to that spot, that's the location.
[38:03] It's big enough to understand that.
[38:06] And of course, it's the exit of the site for emergency vehicles,
[38:12] whether where they're going to be going up to the corner six or two five
[38:16] and I'll go to go that way.
[38:18] It's not too worried about having getting their firemen there,
[38:22] because they're going to be already on the job at the site.
[38:25] So, look at not that's good. I know the intersection is scheduled this summer for construction.
[38:35] So, that would have to, I think, would have to take in the consideration as well.
[38:41] What we're going to do with that intersection, if we incorporate the fire hall there as those
[38:50] fire trucks and the aerials and what adults navigating that corner.
[38:55] The transports can do it now, so I don't think there is any issue, but at least it's going to be taken part of the reconstruction of the connecting link in that area.
[39:07] Thank you.
[39:08] Appreciate it.
[39:10] Thank you.
[39:11] Thank you.
[39:12] Raise an interesting point there that it would align well with the reconstruction.
[39:17] That's being planned for that intersection as well if that were the site that we're preferred.
[39:21] I have Councillor Feldman and then Councillor Black, go ahead.
[39:25] Thank you.
[39:26] Thank you for the presentation, and this is a very important project because we do want
[39:33] our firefighters having best possible facilities because they do humans work, so this
[39:41] is very important.
[39:43] And all you mentioned has part of the whole process.
[39:46] You consult it with probably the chief and other members of his group.
[39:52] And I wasn't sure if I heard that these were the only two sites or did you hear like maybe other possible locations.
[40:03] Because I know I did hear some possible locations from members of the firefighters.
[40:10] And so I'm just curious if there were any other ones considered other than these two.
[40:18] So we were only tasked to look at the two properties.
[40:21] We were tasked to look at any other property within this
[40:25] recommendation that we're providing today.
[40:28] So if there were other sites,
[40:30] not part of our investigation or our study at this time.
[40:35] Perhaps Councilor Feldman before you continue.
[40:37] I could see that Mr. Town would like to add on to that response.
[40:39] Go ahead, Mr. Town.
[40:41] Do you worship? So yes.
[40:43] So we did get creative.
[40:45] We did pitch a few sites to the chief.
[40:47] But again, he reminded us that there's a factor of response time for certain areas that we
[40:52] need to factor in as well, because at one point, yes, we did go to the very West and
[40:56] the timins to look at it, but then again, it doesn't meet the need of the downtown course,
[41:00] so we're affecting the response times of the central station itself and where it needs to get to.
[41:06] That's why we were limited. We did identify another spot, but again, it's not the most ideal,
[41:12] because it's the home of your park, the home of your park.
[41:17] It's the only other large piece of municipal property
[41:19] that we could do something there.
[41:21] But again, it's not feasible.
[41:23] At the end of the day, it's the park.
[41:25] It's a central feature within this community that
[41:27] that's something that we weren't going to entertain.
[41:29] So that's why that's, we battered that one
[41:31] out of the consideration we'll say.
[41:34] So we were left with those two close to the downtown core
[41:37] and with the ability to either amalgamate the Schumacher Hall.
[41:40] So we knew we were very limited just based on the response
[41:44] tied that the fire department needs.
[41:47] Thank you, I can appreciate that.
[41:48] I mean, the Hollinger Park was one that was raised
[41:53] from members of the department.
[41:55] And I wanted to leave it to the experts.
[41:57] I'm not here to start debating the merits of sites.
[42:00] I just think that the men and women that are doing that job.
[42:04] I want to respect them to give their input.
[42:07] because it's important and I'm sure it was taken, but I just wanted to confirm that this was
[42:13] all considered and so thank you for that. I have one more question. Have you started considering
[42:24] costing for the building or were not there yet?
[42:29] A three year worship, so we're not there yet.
[42:32] And this stage of the project allows us to move into that next phase of work to get to the
[42:39] point where we do start looking at costing in in greater detail.
[42:43] We know that with either site there is site specific costs that have to be developed from
[42:48] that.
[42:49] So as we look to select a site, that will allow us to understand what the the costing looks
[42:54] like.
[42:54] We're also at a point where at schematic design on the building design.
[42:58] And as we a little bit further along, it provides greater detail for us to get into that
[43:03] costing. So we haven't considered any costing specifically at this point while keeping in mind,
[43:09] you know, our historical knowledge of projects like this, I'm definitely understanding of where things may be trending,
[43:15] but nothing formally completed at this time.
[43:18] And I just like one follow-up question regarding the costing.
[43:21] I don't know how familiar you are with construction in Timons,
[43:25] But we often hear around this table and I don't like hearing it, but I want to raise it right now about, you know, the Timmins tax about the cost of construction in Timmins.
[43:36] And I will fully support this project, but it is not just open season on the resonance of Timmins that this gets built at any cost.
[43:46] And a lot may, at this point, just be urban legend or scuttle, but, you know, I'm hearing some numbers being floated around that it's two to three times the cost to build here in Timons for this particular structure and similar facilities and southern Ontario.
[44:03] And I think we have to be very prepared when that scope comes out to control that.
[44:10] It's just not simply we're going to charge more because it's Timons.
[44:16] We need this facility obviously, but I think it has to be managed very carefully and I'm
[44:23] just giving you the warning now because we are facing that incessantly and it's something
[44:29] that we want to be aware of prior to getting in to costing and so on. So I did want to make
[44:37] that suggestion tonight. So thank you very much.
[44:43] Thank you Councillor and let's go over to
[44:45] Councillor Black. Thank you, our ship. I have a few questions or points throughout that I'll go through.
[44:53] First is this is for information only tonight. There's no vote to proceed with this.
[45:03] Second,
[45:07] I guess I'll say fundamentally I'm not opposed to the site, but fundamentally I'm not in favor of the site yet, because I don't think I have the information to say whether I'm opposed or in favor to the site.
[45:19] I guess for me, it's slightly disappointing because it's not what I thought we were doing at the stage when we talked about this at budget time.
[45:26] I thought you guys would be kind of open-season on locations and doing a review of the city
[45:33] and what possible sites would make sense looking at call locations and service locations.
[45:39] So I guess I'll ask just for public awareness a few questions to the chief.
[45:44] In this if we proceed with this station as a single station full-time
[45:50] ten minutes volunteers, shoe macro volunteers, and one location, where do and will the full-time
[45:58] firefighters respond to fire calls in the city of ten minutes?
[46:04] Thank you. The full-time firefighters will respond to any white.
[46:08] We'll see.
[46:10] Where will the ten minutes volunteers are what it's currently? The ten minutes volunteers out of the
[46:13] ten minutes station respond to, will they respond to shoe macro calls as well if it's
[46:18] amalgamated station or. Correct. Okay, and the Schumacher volunteers will respond to.
[46:24] Timons. I like this as well. Yeah. So my follow-up question to that either to yourself,
[46:30] chief or to your group either one has discussions take in place about this proposed location with
[46:39] a full-time members. And by no means do I want to suggest that our members should dictate where our
[46:48] Or concerns or pros or cons that I think so have we talked with a the full-time members be the Timmants volunteers and see the Schumacher volunteers to see whether they are
[47:01] Ameniable to
[47:02] That change in response
[47:04] Required from them and that expanded service area and
[47:09] Any pros or cons of the location itself from their point of view and thank you. We're true
[47:15] Councillor, we, the Timmins volunteers and the Schumerke volunteers will be responding to the same place as they are right now at the back up to the full-time stations, which are, I think it has to be respond to Ward 3, Ward 5,
[47:30] because Ward 1.
[47:30] So currently the Schumerke responds to Timmins, as well.
[47:35] Appreciate that.
[47:37] And then my next question is, and this is perhaps the black question mark of the future
[47:47] of the city of Timmons, but obviously there has been publicly some presentations via the
[47:52] chamber on terms of future-mind activity and future-mind planning.
[47:58] In the area, I'll say, between haulage or pick currently and the McIntyre area, and this
[48:05] has been made of public presentation, so it is what it is.
[48:09] Have we had any consultation with the mining company as to this location and whether that's
[48:18] potentially interfering, and I understand we don't want to put things on hold for what
[48:21] may come from a mine, but I also don't want to build a 30 to 40 year facility, and what
[48:26] get swallowed up in 10 years. So I'm just curious to that. Yeah, we've had preliminary discussions
[48:34] with our partners at Discovery, but I see Mr. Tam feels like he'd like to take this one on,
[48:39] so go ahead, Mr. Tam. Through your worship, so again, just to reiterate what the Mayor just said,
[48:45] we've had some preliminary discussions on some of the activity that Discovery is coordinating
[48:52] or planning their next iterations for the next six amount of years, because the same thing goes
[48:57] with the Connecting Link project, all that other stuff. So we're trying to get to the table
[49:02] with them to understand what their plan is because at the end of the day we want to make sure
[49:07] as a misplay that we're spending the right dollars now and not turn it on and tear it up in
[49:11] three years we'll see. So we're trying to engage on going discussions and have these full
[49:17] some discussions on a regular basis, we're just waiting for them to get themselves organized
[49:21] as well, just to kind of get back to us and give us
[49:23] from plans themselves.
[49:28] So I guess what I'll say is I'm a little more willing
[49:31] to repair the connecting link that is damaged and needs
[49:35] to be repaired to continue to use it while the mine sorts
[49:38] of what they're going to do over the next 10 years.
[49:40] I don't know what the age of our current fire hose.
[49:46] Sorry, I thank you for the counselor.
[49:48] It was built in 1957.
[49:50] 57 so we're 70 going on 70 years next year. I'm less inclined to put a
[49:57] facility that may last 70 years in a potential future mining location. So that's
[50:04] my concern with that and I understand no one's sitting in this room right now
[50:07] can tell us what's going to be in the future of discovery or not. I just think
[50:10] that needs to be a major consideration when we're talking about building a
[50:14] foundational piece of infrastructure in an area that is at least near a
[50:19] to what is currently being discussed and considered in the community.
[50:25] So for that, I have some hesitations.
[50:28] And then I'll circle back, you've clarified that members will still respond to the same areas.
[50:34] Have we, or have yourselves consulted with the members in terms of pros, cons?
[50:40] When you were collecting your list of pros and cons, do we consult with the frontline members to hear their pros and cons?
[50:46] of I guess the two locations you were presented with because you wouldn't have taken any other
[50:51] locations because that was an in your purview but was there any engagement done with current
[50:56] associations, full-time or volunteer in developing your pros and cons list?
[51:03] Through your worship I can answer this partially and then if the chief wants to expand on it I
[51:07] allow them to as well. So our consultation was pretty minimal in the sense of you know meeting
[51:15] while we were touring the existing facilities,
[51:17] but while we were touring the existing facilities,
[51:20] we did have those conversations that were more building specific
[51:23] and the challenges that we see within those buildings.
[51:25] We do know that the people that are kind of front-line,
[51:28] see the challenges every day, you know,
[51:31] know differently than the chief and the deputies that are in those buildings
[51:33] in here as well, right? So that was more of the conversation
[51:36] that we had regarding that and I'll let the chief speak on the site side of it as well.
[51:44] Thank you.
[51:45] Councillor, the international association firefighters, they provided a, they did a study through
[51:52] timings as far as call response times, and all that stuff in there, it was, it was a lot
[51:57] of work and a lot of great information.
[52:00] We have looked at these possibilities, there are a number of things that we were looking
[52:06] at, one would be in the future of timings and where the future is taking us, when we're expecting
[52:12] growth.
[52:13] as well as different supports that were putting through town to be able to make us get to the west end of town, for instance,
[52:22] like the lighting system to be all green.
[52:25] That sort of thing.
[52:26] And a four-laning six or fifty-five, so we can get there easy enough.
[52:30] Sort of thing. It was a lot of great information. There are particular portions of that study that aren't quite
[52:40] related directly involved with what it is, as far as our composition of firefighters. So it was
[52:49] looked at. The other problem is property, you know, and location of the best place to put
[52:57] this station, there's just no property available.
[53:01] Thank you for that, Chief.
[53:04] And given the responses need to go across the city,
[53:06] I'm not opposed to something that has highway access.
[53:09] I think it's a perk in terms of getting east or west
[53:12] in the city for the full-time cruise.
[53:19] I just, I would, if this was on the agenda for votes tonight,
[53:24] I couldn't support it, not because I don't want to support it,
[53:27] or that I won't support it in the end.
[53:28] I just don't think that there's been enough of that kind of information
[53:32] along the questions that I've asked.
[53:34] Even starting with the two sites, and I guess a third question,
[53:38] or another question would be, you mentioned current structure
[53:41] of the E-FIRE service right now.
[53:45] We're bonding out of one full-time fire hall,
[53:48] and I know in a zero-boat operating a fire hall,
[53:53] or at all throw that out there now as I preface this question,
[53:56] but would it make more sense given the growth
[53:58] to end dynamics, to have two potential fire halls.
[54:01] Can we do that with the same cruise,
[54:04] divide, and cruise, and still responding
[54:06] from both stations to all calls, potentially,
[54:09] but would you be able to get cruise, two calls sooner,
[54:12] or do you need that full compliment?
[54:14] That is at the station to start fighting the fire anyways.
[54:18] I'm just wondering what the breadth of this scope
[54:20] versus narrowing in, and we've dictated two sites,
[54:22] one of them we don't even own,
[54:24] and don't can't have the whole property
[54:26] without purchasing properties so that rules out that site off the start so we've really looked
[54:30] at one site in terms of making a decision that's going to potentially last the next
[54:36] 70 years of fighting fires across the city of Devon. So I'm just wondering what structural
[54:41] changes we've possibly contemplated in that.
[54:47] Thank you. I'm not sure where I should be going with this but there is a possibility
[54:53] with future growth of the city and the future expectations is where the city is going
[54:58] ago is that we could look at multiple stations with multiple full-time people in those stations
[55:06] to respond to in a more efficient way than how we're doing it now with the composite
[55:11] part of it.
[55:12] And composite being full-time with volunteers.
[55:17] Yeah, and I'm note by no means was that question directed, should we change your volunteer
[55:21] hybrid structure?
[55:22] I don't want to get into that again.
[55:25] The final point I guess I'll make is that before this comes back, I would like to see some
[55:32] of the things that are referenced.
[55:33] We talked about response times, both for the current dynamics of Timmons and B for the
[55:39] plan group.
[55:40] So I would like to see the reports that I believe have likely been done internally, but to
[55:45] say, hey, these are the locations and these are where the major concerns are response
[55:50] times now, and these will improve or not improve with this location, as well as what we know
[55:58] we're trying to develop into Melrose and push north along that area and there's a lot more
[56:03] development in the west end of the community, historically over recent years, so I get the dynamics
[56:09] of wanting quick access to serve those areas as well. I'm glad we're not making this decision
[56:15] tonight because I just don't feel I have the information to get behind that. And I want
[56:18] to, as I said, I'm not opposed to this location. I won't go on record saying I'm opposed to
[56:22] it yet, because I do believe it has its benefits in terms of access across the community,
[56:28] but I'd just like to see a little more information before we get to that next step and
[56:31] see the wholesome picture that we've considered that I would strongly encourage that we have an
[56:36] in-camera meeting or at least the city officials at the top end of the city have that meeting with
[56:42] our mining company and fully understand what potential is in the next, I know we don't
[56:48] like saying, well, they might do something in 10, 20 years, but this is a 70 year
[56:52] facility.
[56:53] So it has to be taken into consideration in my mind.
[56:57] Thank you.
[56:57] Are there any other questions for our presenters while they're here?
[57:01] What's the extent of it?
[57:04] I've got no problem with the new fire hall.
[57:08] I think we need to, but how big is the current fire hall square footage?
[57:15] Do you have that or, but they're so, so then the easiest way to answer it is, is, is this fight, there's this new firehold going to be twice the size or three times the size of the current haul.
[57:32] By estimation, it would be likely in like the administrative and cruise bases likely on the double side on the garage space probably closer to the triple side, just because the current garage spaces are undersized.
[57:44] And they don't have that drive-through capability which increases the size of the garage base because you do have those clearances on both the front and the back of the base.
[57:52] And we're adding the decontamination base for health and safety protocols which don't currently exist.
[57:57] So on the garage side, likely closer to the order of magnitude to three times.
[58:01] But on the crew would administrative side closer to that double number.
[58:05] So just an observation, and I'm not educated in this, but just from what you're saying.
[58:11] That's why you can't find a piece of property as far as unconcerned because you want to build something three times the size and that's going to be an issue.
[58:18] So that's, you know what I mean? Like we need a new haul, but at the same time, like how many bays are going to be in this haul?
[58:27] Through your worship.
[58:29] Yeah, so the new, the new station will have three double length bays. So for six apparatus, and then two additional double length bays for the decontamination, which would not be where any vehicles are stored full time.
[58:40] that's purely for the purposes of washing,
[58:43] and decontaminating equipment and vehicles.
[58:45] So six apparatus parking spaces within the garage.
[58:50] Three-bit, three-vays double length.
[58:53] Do you have a final question?
[58:54] Can I take a start of it?
[58:55] Pardon?
[58:56] Do you have a final question?
[58:57] No, just I think that's the issue right there.
[59:00] That's why you can't find any property,
[59:04] because you're limited when you want
[59:05] to triple the size of a fire all.
[59:07] You want to have something else?
[59:08] That's a crit.
[59:09] It has a question.
[59:10] What's that comments or questions? You can comment or question. There's nothing in the procedure of buying it.
[59:14] I think I was just asking if you have enough question for presenters because they are here on their time.
[59:20] I just want to make sure we get one more question.
[59:22] Just one more question.
[59:22] One of your questions?
[59:23] The same comment.
[59:24] Through you to the CAO, we put aside $500,000 in the budget for this.
[59:30] Is this part of the $500,000 to the beginning of it?
[59:35] It's really nice.
[59:36] three years or so. Yes, this is part of the thank you.
[59:40] Councillor Curlie, a final question?
[59:42] Thank you.
[59:43] What would you time frame in order to come back?
[59:47] I mean, I'm worried about the soil condition, obviously.
[59:50] On that side, it's always been a concern.
[59:52] So what is your time frame coming back with those results?
[59:56] And, of course, it gives the city of opportunity to sit down with the mine.
[1:00:00] In and seeing as Councillor Black had mentioned, what's their future hold? It's something to bring back here, so I guess it gives us an opportunity to look at other sites as well, not saying they have, at least a little bit more input into it. So do you have a time frame?
[1:00:24] It wouldn't be fair for me to put a timeline on third party individuals that have to be part of those studies.
[1:00:31] I think it's fair that we could find out what their timeframes are to complete that work.
[1:00:35] If we were elected to do that, but we were talking about other people doing the testing, right?
[1:00:41] It wouldn't be our office specifically doing the testing.
[1:00:44] It is third party engineering groups and consultants that look at those details specifically.
[1:00:48] So we need to convey with that to understand what their availability is.
[1:00:57] Thank you, are there any other questions on this presentation?
[1:01:02] All right, well, understanding that there are still some conversations to be had at our level with some of our local partners.
[1:01:09] That will inform your timelines.
[1:01:10] We'll try to get on that immediately so that we can bring back whatever relevant information we can to you.
[1:01:16] I'm very excited about this project.
[1:01:17] Thank you for bringing this forward.
[1:01:19] obviously there are still some question marks, but it sounds like we're looking for information
[1:01:23] in data from the city side, so we'll make sure that we get that to Council for their
[1:01:27] consideration as well.
[1:01:28] Thank you.
[1:01:30] Thank you.
[1:01:30] Thank you, Council.
[1:01:31] Thank you, staff, as well.
[1:01:32] Thank you.
[1:01:42] All right, that brings us to the next item on the agenda being 5C, the Comprehensive Transit Master
[1:01:47] Plan.
[1:01:47] And this is presented by Mr. Krasal.
[1:01:49] Go ahead.
[1:01:51] Good evening.
[1:01:52] Your worship in Council.
[1:01:53] This report for 48 tonight is asking Council to approve the Council's approval in awarding the Transit Master Plan in integrated road optimization to GANET Fleming Canada ULC for the amount of $148,866.
[1:02:10] Tim is transit with the help of growth and infrastructure department issued in RFP earlier this year to see qualified consultants to develop a master plan with this integrated route optimization.
[1:02:20] We did have seven submissions, and again, a Fleming Score, the highest score of 95.8.
[1:02:26] Tim is transit did budget 200,000 for this activity, all of which was coming from baseline
[1:02:31] funding through the Canadian Public Transit Fund.
[1:02:35] I believe the reports explains the purpose of the master plan and what we're proposing, so if
[1:02:47] there's any questions, I can answer those now.
[1:02:51] Thank you, Councillor Cranney.
[1:02:54] Thank you.
[1:02:56] The I imagine the plan is to have some public meetings to move forward this throughout the city of different locations.
[1:03:05] Hopefully something will work because I know we're doing connecting Lincoln.
[1:03:10] We have an opportunity to put in all column slip lanes, so the buses have a chance to pull over.
[1:03:16] Pick up passengers.
[1:03:17] So this year, I guess, is to avoid having such an area and by having public meetings or
[1:03:29] a lot of public to have input and explain how this new system is going to work versus
[1:03:36] where it's being done presently, correct?
[1:03:40] The plans a little bit more robust than just, you know, like slip lanes and such, there
[1:03:49] is going to be a lot of public consultation, but a large part of this plan is setting
[1:03:56] the standards moving forward over the next 20 to 25 years.
[1:04:00] It's going to start with collecting data and setting benchmarking for where you need transit
[1:04:07] where transit should be. Looking at specific standards for distances between stops, service
[1:04:18] levels for different areas of the city, how you meet those standards, how do you move
[1:04:25] forward with growth and it's going to encompass a large group of data sets to provide a
[1:04:40] road map moving forward for transit. So most we reviewed all seven submissions.
[1:04:54] They're
[1:04:55] multiple public consultations, surveys, meetings with Council, and this is going to probably
[1:05:04] take in the neighborhood of 15 to 18 months to complete. There's a lot of work to be done
[1:05:11] here, but yeah, it will be all encompassing when it comes to reviewing transit and setting
[1:05:22] us up in the future.
[1:05:24] Thank you for that because I was one of my questions at the time for having you answered that.
[1:05:29] So in the interim, I know I've come to Council a number of times and in improving some
[1:05:36] of the local transit service in the East End could not heal in what that else and lake
[1:05:43] field apartments, how to or are we going to be able to improve some of that service starting
[1:05:50] now. This is being two years off. We know we have to improve the service. So will we be able
[1:05:59] to enhance or provide service? Everybody to enhance it. Service prior to this report be
[1:06:09] in finalized.
[1:06:13] The President, we don't have any service that was Council agreed to a couple
[1:06:19] years ago. We would caution against service level changes at this point in time. We also
[1:06:27] have some internal struggles with enhancing service with staffing levels and fleet levels.
[1:06:38] So, you know, we're as in all of our departments, we're struggling to stay at full complement
[1:06:47] and just provide the service that we're supposed to, so it'll be, it'll be
[1:06:52] a challenge to make any changes at this point in time, so I, you know, without, I, I would
[1:07:02] be hesitant to commit to additional service levels unless there's some, you know, extra
[1:07:08] money or funding or bodies thrown at us, but we still have to find these people, which is a
[1:07:13] struggle.
[1:07:17] Thank you, and Councillor Gisborne.
[1:07:20] Here comes some public input.
[1:07:23] First of all, thank you for that answer, because enhancing the service, I just read a couple
[1:07:29] of posts where we have to.
[1:07:30] To cancel routes, because we had a shortage of drivers. You know, and that's a good, that's began a challenge right there. And the item I put on the agenda for later will discuss the challenge of recruitment as well. The question I have is, if this is going to take 15 months, my concern is the main transit building and the way the washrooms are an open concept.
[1:07:58] Do we have to wait 15 months, or are we going to come with some kind of a plan to go with washrooms like they have at the library where you have to go get a key and you use the washroom and bring the key back to the lady at the desk or whoever's working at the desk.
[1:08:18] Because you know, it's it's a disaster and they're let's admit it
[1:08:23] Are we are we gonna do anything in the meantime or are we waiting for?
[1:08:28] The master plan to come back
[1:08:33] Mr. Krasal, will that be part of the scope of this transit master plan?
[1:08:38] I know our
[1:08:41] infrastructure if it's like our
[1:08:44] Locations and and such facilities will be looked at especially in our fleet will be looked at
[1:08:50] specifics in regards to ergonomic designs and stuff like the washrooms I'm I'm not sure
[1:08:59] really you know that's you know I guess it could be looked at but you know everybody I don't know what to say on that comment
[1:09:09] I mean we've been struggling with all our facilities with this you know these problems it's not just the
[1:09:16] terminal that we struggle with. It's a number of facilities, so I think you have to
[1:09:21] hear this work as much as they can to keep up this comprehensive master plan.
[1:09:25] You take an look at that question specifically. See events with the question. Thank you.
[1:09:30] So then my final question would be in terms of whether it's the master plan or not.
[1:09:36] Do you need us to bring this to the agenda to deal with the bathrooms at the main terminal?
[1:09:42] Do you need a resolution to come from us?
[1:09:44] Thank you, so that doesn't have anything to do with this slide.
[1:09:47] I'm curious if it is something to do with this.
[1:09:48] Well, I'll just ask that you ask that question offline.
[1:09:51] What do you mean offline?
[1:09:53] What does that mean offline?
[1:09:54] Outside of this meeting.
[1:09:55] Or bring it back to another meeting for discussion, correct?
[1:10:01] So as it is unrelated with the item that's being discussed, yes, I would ask.
[1:10:04] Why does it matter?
[1:10:06] Like, why does it matter if it's unrelated?
[1:10:07] Because we have not intended to get through on our online policy.
[1:10:11] Thank you.
[1:10:11] Councillor Kostanovich, are there any other questions on this report?
[1:10:17] Seeing none, we'll go on to the next item, being 5D, the Golden Avenue Bridge Rehabilitation
[1:10:21] on this presenter by Mr. Town.
[1:10:22] Please go ahead.
[1:10:25] Thank you, Madam Mayor, and members of the Council, so tonight's report here, we are seeking
[1:10:30] the proposed bylaw be approved and enacted by Council to award the rehabilitation of
[1:10:34] Golden Avenue Bridge to MCA contract limited in the amount of $684,526.41 plus HST.
[1:10:42] So, the golden avenue bridge is one of the older bridge bridges we have in the municipality.
[1:10:49] Based on its last inspection, it's some notice deficiencies were identified in some remedial repairs that we should take so we can maintain that structure.
[1:11:01] So, some of the rehab works includes removal of existing asphalt and water proofing over the structure.
[1:11:06] concrete repairs to the culvert walls and footings, reconstruction of a
[1:11:10] approach roadbases, installation and new waterproofing membrane over the
[1:11:14] structure, installation of a new guardrail, a guiderail, and safety features in
[1:11:18] accordance with current standards. So this was an identified project in the 2026
[1:11:25] budget. So we've received, we went out for for tender and we received four
[1:11:30] it's three or the four were compliant and we do have a little bit of a surplus here. Sorry,
[1:11:42] it was a resulting in a shortfall on this budgetitarian item, but we do have, when we will
[1:11:48] be presenting the evidence bridge in a few minutes, so the surplus from that will help us
[1:11:53] set the shortfall of this bridge.
[1:11:57] Thank you for the report. Are there any questions?
[1:12:02] Thank you.
[1:12:06] It seems to be just the only route we have for the mining and logging trucks, Evans and
[1:12:14] Golden.
[1:12:15] And both bridges are in need of repair.
[1:12:21] Both will be worked on this year.
[1:12:26] Not that I guess we have to tell the mining and logging companies, but I'm sure you have informed them that it's definitely going to have an impact in
[1:12:40] their roots for whether it's time delays.
[1:12:43] I know we're also looking at half load restrictions on Evans and SpringZode coming up plus
[1:12:51] a number of other roads and we're going to throw Evans street in there as well.
[1:12:56] I don't know where we're sitting as far as any other routes that these companies could possibly
[1:13:03] use.
[1:13:04] But they are aware, these companies are aware that both these bridges will be affected or under
[1:13:12] instruction in the next few months.
[1:13:17] Through you, we're ship so they are aware that they specifically are aware for sure
[1:13:21] the Evans Bridge because that's more of a larger project for us to really manage and
[1:13:26] manage that traffic load in the safety there.
[1:13:29] I will circle back just to make sure that they are aware that this one is well at the same time.
[1:13:33] But again, I know a lot of my conversations with those stakeholders have been more focused
[1:13:38] on the Evans Bridge.
[1:13:38] So it's possible that I need to remind them of this one too now.
[1:13:44] OK, thank you.
[1:13:45] And if there's any extra dollars that we can move to sidewalk,
[1:13:49] offer Bruce and put it back to where it was, where the
[1:13:53] the bridge that was repaired a couple years ago, I'd appreciate that.
[1:13:57] And I think any other individual senior youth that's using the
[1:14:03] roadway now would appreciate if we can put some dollars into moving that road side walk back.
[1:14:13] Thank you.
[1:14:15] In Councillor Colman?
[1:14:17] Not a question, but big thanks to administration and council for this really desirable
[1:14:25] infrastructure investment in South Porcupine on both the Golden and Evans Bridge.
[1:14:32] So this is a great news story, and I'm very appreciative, as are the residents, so thank you
[1:14:39] very much, Director Tam.
[1:14:43] I don't think it's so much.
[1:14:45] Just a quick question.
[1:14:46] Thank you, Your Worship.
[1:14:47] Through you, Mr. Tam, or whoever can answer, is real rehabilitation.
[1:14:50] Is it grant eligible or just new construction?
[1:14:56] Through you, Your Worship.
[1:14:58] So most of the maintenance...
[1:15:00] Projects aren't eligible, but there's different streams and different applications that we can probably find, try to find to do it, but at this point at time, we didn't see one for this one.
[1:15:09] Okay, and we have bigger ticket items that we could probably shift grant opportunities to, so.
[1:15:15] Thank you.
[1:15:17] Can I see no further questions? We'll go on to the next item. 5E, the Waterman Lining on Riverside Drive. Again, over to you, Mr. Tam.
[1:15:24] Thank you, Madam Mayor. So again, we're seeking the proposed bi-law be approved and enacted by Council to award the Waterman Lining on Riverside,
[1:15:31] drive, so basically surely to Metagree Bridge, to furpile construction in the amount of
[1:15:36] 4 million, $950,000 plus HST. So again, we've experienced a lot of water main breaks on
[1:15:44] Riverside Drive. We have reliant portions of that portion on Riverside over the last few
[1:15:51] years. So in advance of preparing for the next few segments of the connecting link,
[1:15:56] because we realized that we didn't need to do a full scale excavation. We can get away and
[1:16:00] energy with water mean relining. So again, that's both the two
[1:16:04] clomers we want to reline. So that's the approach we would like to
[1:16:09] take and then that will help us save some connecting link dollars when
[1:16:12] we do into the actual reconstruction portion of it. Again, this was also
[1:16:16] an identified item in the 2026 budget. And again, we received two
[1:16:20] tenders and both were compliant. Thank you for the report.
[1:16:24] I'll have been for questions. Councillor Cirling. Just don't question on
[1:16:27] I mean, we've been doing re-lining for a while down the city of Timmons, which has saved
[1:16:32] us considerable amount of money.
[1:16:35] On this one here, that's approximately $5 million.
[1:16:38] If we had to put in new water line, that would be an excess of $10 million, rough guessing,
[1:16:45] so the saving of re-lining is huge for the city of Timmons, and the timing is right
[1:16:51] for this one.
[1:16:52] I was just kind of guessing at the $10 million, not that I'm holding you a figure, but
[1:16:57] It's just to show you what kind of cost savings we're doing by doing this project and by
[1:17:03] relining it.
[1:17:05] That's correct.
[1:17:07] So, you were sure, yes, this is the cheaper alternative.
[1:17:11] It still brings us significant amount of headaches, but it is the cheaper financially.
[1:17:22] So, you know, for the questions, we'll hand to item 5F, the Evan Street Bridge replacement
[1:17:26] and to Mr. Town.
[1:17:28] Thank you, you were sure.
[1:17:29] So, again, tonight we're seeking the proposal by I'll be approved and acted by Council
[1:17:33] So we're the Evan Street Bridge Replacement to Urban Link Civil Limited in the amount of $5,000,
[1:17:38] $107,850 plus HST.
[1:17:42] So again, we've discussed Evan Street Bridge numerous times in the last few months.
[1:17:49] We've threw some basic inspections.
[1:17:51] It's been deemed it's been deteriorating on the one side to the point where we had to narrow down the
[1:17:58] the laneway width and the travel portions,
[1:17:59] so we didn't expedite that wear and tear on it.
[1:18:02] So with that, we didn't have to limit that road
[1:18:05] or the bridge to start diverting traffic around
[1:18:08] to Hillary or Gold Rush Road, sorry.
[1:18:11] So yeah, so with that being said, we planned
[1:18:14] on the construction portion of it.
[1:18:16] And now what we do in the phase the approach
[1:18:18] is that we will be able to do one side of the bridge
[1:18:21] while maintaining a travel portion
[1:18:22] and then cycle back over.
[1:18:25] So again, this project was anticipated
[1:18:27] to be completed in the fall of 2027,
[1:18:33] and yes, so with this one here, this one came in a little
[1:18:38] under budget.
[1:18:41] Thank you.
[1:18:42] Any questions?
[1:18:43] Councillor Cirling.
[1:18:44] Thank you.
[1:18:46] Once this work commences are soon, we'll be going on a half load for that bridge for construction
[1:18:53] and or the street.
[1:18:55] What we have to do soon?
[1:18:58] through your worship. So the bridge doesn't need to be half-load because we're able to maintain the travel portion
[1:19:04] but while we work on the one side build that up and then we can shuffle everything over to that side.
[1:19:09] Half-load for the remainder of the road, I'll have to defer to Director Priscilla just because, again, he is group manages the half-load of the entire stretch of
[1:19:17] Langmere.
[1:19:20] So.
[1:19:20] Thank
[1:19:28] you.
[1:19:30] Not sure.
[1:19:31] There is a report request for half votes on laying there.
[1:19:33] Fine.
[1:19:33] There is seasonally half votes, as well as Tisdale Street.
[1:19:39] So that will probably be coming in effect in the next couple weeks at the latest.
[1:19:46] We're monitoring the temperature, and then that lasts until I believe it's June 1st,
[1:19:51] our June 15th, one of the two dates based on the by-law.
[1:19:57] Councillor Signage?
[1:19:58] This is a quick question.
[1:19:59] Thank you.
[1:19:59] of through you to Mr. Tam. This would be a classified as new construction. So I'm going back to
[1:20:05] is this grant eligible and have we applied for grant for that or is it not eligible?
[1:20:11] Or is it not new construction through your worship? For this one, we did not apply for any grants for.
[1:20:17] We're not eligible for grants? No, again, to be honest, it's not true. I never looked at any
[1:20:22] grants to apply for this one. We can start looking now just to see if there is anything that we can
[1:20:25] natural and try to apply for, but we started this because again, it's a maintenance project
[1:20:29] so a lot of our maintenance activities, the rehab stuff, we haven't really found any programs
[1:20:34] that are there.
[1:20:35] But we can double check again now.
[1:20:37] Thank you.
[1:20:41] Thank you.
[1:20:42] You know, for the questions, it's going to 5G, sorry.
[1:20:46] The TISDLE Reservoir Contract Extension.
[1:20:48] Again, TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE TISDLE
[1:20:57] for the design and construction contract administration for the Tizzle Reservoir with WSP Canada to
[1:21:03] increase the contract value by $966,000 and $29 and $37 plus HST. So WSP was originally retained to
[1:21:13] provide contract administration as site inspections for the Tizzle Reservoir project. So the initial
[1:21:18] fee in scope was essentially to rehab and move an in-ground structure with the change and we went
[1:21:26] with the more and above ground water elevated tank.
[1:21:30] We changed the little change the scope to and allow for this.
[1:21:34] So we now the scheduled project completion is June 30th,
[1:21:37] the 2027.
[1:21:38] So this is just to account for that change in the extra time needed
[1:21:43] to help us get us to deliver the new reservoir
[1:21:46] or elevated tank, I'll see.
[1:21:52] I'll just add any questions for your clarification.
[1:21:58] All right, see none?
[1:21:59] So on to five H now, that's the lease with Walbitton, Walbitton, Walbitton, Walbitton claim works, and this is presented by us more.
[1:22:07] Thank you for your leadership.
[1:22:08] So we're asking Council to approve another lease.
[1:22:10] They keep trickling in.
[1:22:12] This ones with Walbitton claim works.
[1:22:14] They rent space upstairs at the Mac.
[1:22:17] And this lease generates 2,286 dollars plus HSD.
[1:22:25] Are there any questions?
[1:22:26] Let's see, now.
[1:22:30] It's going to 5. I, the annual council of remuneration, presented by Ms. Moore, thank you, Worship. So, we're asking council to approve the annual report on council of remuneration.
[1:22:40] This report lists all the earnings and expenses paid in 2025 for council and the boards that they're appointed to. It's an annual report that's required by the municipal act.
[1:22:53] Are there any questions?
[1:22:56] Okay. So, you know what's going to 5. Jay, the purchase of a new ice reserve, the ice reserve, sir, presented by Mr. Palman.
[1:23:03] Thank you, Worship. Tonight, we're requesting Council Authorization to purchase a new electric
[1:23:11] ice-resurforcer for use by the Recreation Department for the Mount Joy Arena. The current
[1:23:17] ice-resurforcer as a model 2007 is near end of life. It is the oldest ice-resurforcer in our
[1:23:28] The total of four bids received for the tender, Zamboni Company Limited was the lowest
[1:23:34] bidder with a bit of $163,270 plus HST.
[1:23:41] Council did budget $140,000 for the new unit in the 2026 budget.
[1:23:47] The additional $23,000 will come from a project that we have to cancel the RCHDill and
[1:23:52] sportsblocks. We didn't receive the necessary grant funding to proceed with that project.
[1:23:59] So that's where the additional additional funds will come from.
[1:24:07] Thank you. Are there any questions for clarification?
[1:24:11] Seeing none, we'll go on to item 5K. Please, the temporary designated in-campment location for spring summer of
[1:24:17] 2026. That's presented by Mr. Landers. Go ahead.
[1:24:21] Thank you. Your worship sometime ago. We were tasked with trying to find an in-campment location.
[1:24:27] You'll recall last year we went through a process made some recommendations of potential sites.
[1:24:36] And, and here we are again still discussing this matter.
[1:24:43] The in looking at the sites that have been previously identified.
[1:24:48] Two of them remained still somewhat relevant for consideration.
[1:24:51] We did also speak with other landowners outside of just city owned property to try to determine
[1:25:02] if there's other parcels of land that might make sense.
[1:25:09] And nothing seemed to be readily available or suitable for what we're looking to do.
[1:25:18] So in any event, we've got three sites that we've identified
[1:25:22] two from the last time around, and then there's sort of
[1:25:26] the status quo site, I guess.
[1:25:30] So Pine Street, south, was identified last year.
[1:25:35] And that's some distance down Pine Street.
[1:25:42] There's some of the concerns with that, or just the sheer distance
[1:25:46] from many services that almost individuals might require food banks access to health and
[1:25:59] social supports, etc.
[1:26:03] Some of the operational implications with that would be we'd
[1:26:07] have to figure out some sort of transportation system or process how to ensure enforcement
[1:26:14] activities occur on on a site, there would be transportation costs, or weekly cleanup costs.
[1:26:24] Some level of security would probably be required and some level of land clearing might
[1:26:31] be required as well.
[1:26:33] We also looked at the snow storage at the snow dump on spruce street south, which is further
[1:26:41] down from the current ad hoc site behind the living space.
[1:26:51] So, what you know, what you have there is, you'd be pushing traffic further into another
[1:26:57] neighborhood, perhaps upsetting a different neighborhood,
[1:27:04] there would be some issues around,
[1:27:08] Look, that's a usable site that public works uses regularly for snow dump in the winter,
[1:27:16] so you'd have to clear out any encampment before that, because, frankly, we're out of spaces to put snow.
[1:27:24] It was this year, but otherwise, you know, in hauling it from there, we really have to find space.
[1:27:31] We use that site for hazardous waste.
[1:27:33] Public works uses that site for asphalt.
[1:27:38] Things that have been pulled up.
[1:27:41] So there are some challenges with the current usefulness of the site.
[1:27:46] Again, we'd be looking at, we'd be looking at cleanup costs,
[1:27:51] safe pedestrian access.
[1:27:53] I'm lighting, I think, would be a challenge as well,
[1:27:55] or some basic supports there, and then we've got the status quo site, which is where
[1:28:06] we, you know, where the encampment just has created itself, and that's behind the living
[1:28:12] space. And the real problem, there's what's happened to the neighborhood and what this
[1:28:19] accountment has done in terms of neighborhood concern,
[1:28:28] it's, in looking at it, it's probably
[1:28:33] likely that even if we select another site in accountment and in accountment will continue
[1:28:38] to arise there, just from the, you know, if someone's, people's access to the services
[1:28:45] that exist at the living space, so, you know, we don't have, I mean, unless we went to
[1:28:53] week-end enforcement does well to move people out of those sorts of spaces. I'm sure it would be
[1:29:01] you know the weekend issues for that neighborhood would not change as you still see much of the same.
[1:29:10] If we are if Council is thinking that that's you know that
[1:29:20] sorry if Council is is thinking
[1:29:22] that moving an account and the most of over-talked my time.
[1:29:27] An account location is inappropriate to another area.
[1:29:33] Staffs have just some level of fencing that occur around there to at least give some space
[1:29:39] between the residents that live there, whose yards have been used as a pass through, and
[1:29:44] are, you know, on people's way to the current and camp in sight.
[1:29:51] So there would be way to perhaps fence off, you don't tie vect defenses or wrap the fences in a way that.
[1:30:00] You know, the people who are living in the area, you know, not watching what's happening in that lane. We not, not stuck seeing, you know, people's private lives happen publicly in an encampment.
[1:30:16] So, you know, those are, those are considerations for council.
[1:30:19] in any event.
[1:30:25] With that site, I mean we're still going to have to clean it. We would still have to do all those things that we're currently doing.
[1:30:35] And those are the three considerations that we came forward with for council.
[1:30:43] Thank you. So I'll be in the forward for questions on that and we'll start with Councillor Black.
[1:30:48] Thank you, Your Worship. First question is the recommendation is to ask Council for Direction
[1:30:55] Ice soon. We need a resolution for this for like to designate a site as the preferred
[1:31:04] in-campain site. So my question is will we be adding that tonight because we're going to be
[1:31:09] into spring melt soon and assuming that there's consensus tonight on one of the sites.
[1:31:19] I guess for me, you mentioned some of the issues we may have when we designate this site,
[1:31:26] we will be able to enact or other bylaws and remove encampments from any other sites that
[1:31:32] pop up in the community, correct?
[1:31:39] So look to be further, the legal situation just keeps rolling with this.
[1:31:45] Our understanding of it as it stands now is that yes, we could
[1:31:51] So, if an encampment springs up in the Allanger Park, you know, we could direct them to one of these sites if they're deemed appropriate.
[1:32:04] So, it's not to say we won't face challenges, every community is facing legal challenges.
[1:32:09] I will accept that, I guess my hope is that we will enact our bylaws until a court tells us that we can't after we designate the site.
[1:32:17] I think we're at that stage where we have through other boards and whatnot, a group of people, or agencies that are from what I'm told on board to help with whatever site is selected from Council.
[1:32:36] So, it is my hope that all those part of agencies do come to the table and we select one.
[1:32:41] I am not in favor of leaving it where it is currently, but neighborhood has endured that far too long as it is right now.
[1:32:51] And suggesting that we will leave it there and monitor it more judiciously is not going to be any ease of mind,
[1:32:58] because if we could accomplish solving resident concerns by just monitoring it, then we should have been doing that for the last three years.
[1:33:07] I earlier, when these alternative sites proposed came, the Spruce Snowdump was dismissed from that list before it even got out to public circulation because Council wasn't in favor of that list, which to me only leaves one of these three sites as a possible option there has been pushed back on that site obviously previously so I'm not sure it's a great option but to me it's the only option that remains on the table of the three that are listed.
[1:33:38] Thank you. Councillor Cirling.
[1:33:42] Thank you.
[1:33:43] Yeah, there's not much of a, but there is only one choice of what's been listed.
[1:33:49] And from that, I guess it's the cost you talked about some fencing cost possible.
[1:33:59] This is not going to be we provide the land.
[1:34:03] Hopefully the other agencies come on board.
[1:34:05] The dollars needed for operations, you know, you talked about cleanup, would fall back on us,
[1:34:14] but where is the dollars going to come from?
[1:34:18] Is this part of, we'll see, DSAB will be somewhat responsible for dollars being put towards
[1:34:30] this for the homeless, I guess, down in that incantment area, where is the dollars going
[1:34:36] We come from, or do you have an idea because, as I say, the sites that have been chosen,
[1:34:43] I think, and I'll be quite, well, in front of me, it's the Pine Street, I believe, is what
[1:34:47] we're going to, and I should say, we recommend going forward on Pine Street, but there is constant
[1:34:56] about it.
[1:34:56] And I don't see it where it should all fall into the city of Timons,
[1:35:03] to do everything, to put
[1:35:04] out there. We've been putting, putting out the bill for a long time, or putting the bill
[1:35:10] for a long time on what's taken place behind in a round living space. So I think it's time
[1:35:17] that we find an alternate location, whether it's the intern until something's definitely come
[1:35:25] so later on. But something has to be done, that would be the site in the intern. But again,
[1:35:32] going back to dollars and cents. I don't know if there's
[1:35:35] a French dollars through D-sab, there are other agencies.
[1:35:41] It can't keep falling back on us. It's a great bottom line.
[1:35:49] Through your worship, I don't know where the money comes from. No one's helped so far.
[1:35:55] D-sab did have some funding that they had applied for, but we weren't able to
[1:36:01] utilize that. So I can't speak on behalf of the funding that the
[1:36:07] the DSAP has, things have certainly changed a lot since
[1:36:10] when I worked there. I don't, I don't know, I'm just assuming
[1:36:15] this is our cost. Like I said, there hasn't been
[1:36:18] assistance with these costs today. I don't know why they're
[1:36:23] why I don't know it was going to come to the table for us.
[1:36:28] Perhaps to that, I would also just add that for those council members that were sitting
[1:36:32] around the CVSB board table, you'll recall that when we were proving the 2026 homelessness
[1:36:39] prevention plan, the allocations of the fund that we have under the HPP funding, the
[1:36:44] homelessness prevention program that given the fact that there was no new money that we were
[1:36:50] using, we had the same allocation as previous years. We weren't able to entertain, as
[1:36:54] board, any new requests for funding for a portion of that allocation that essentially, you know,
[1:37:03] that the allocations were to maintain current service levels.
[1:37:07] So to that, no, we don't know where any capital funds would come from to build a accomplices
[1:37:14] work, and given that information, we know that for 2026, there doesn't seem to be any operational
[1:37:20] funding at a partners level, either, and I'm just talking about one partner.
[1:37:24] So, of course, that's not the full list of partners that could potentially come and assist us with this.
[1:37:30] So, a possibility of new agencies, no other dollars coming in in order for us to move in cabinets or to a site that would be one site versus a number of sites around the city, it fall back on 100% of the taxpayers cost to move them or say this is a site.
[1:37:57] It's not a moving, this is going to be the site that we're bringing forward for them to
[1:38:03] set up and they don't have to worry about what's coming behind later and saying you have
[1:38:11] to move again.
[1:38:13] It's unfortunate if we have to put the whole bill, it's whether or not there's any avenues
[1:38:20] for extra funding, whether we flow it to the province, decide, flows it or under agencies
[1:38:29] look for funding for this. Not for their own use, but we have to get funding other agencies
[1:38:37] on board in order to make this happen versus the way it's starting to sell.
[1:38:43] Be a taxpayer. Thank you. Councillor Filman.
[1:38:47] Thank you, Worship. Through you to the CAO, my question is previously when there was discussions about finding alternative location for the shelter.
[1:39:01] There seem to be a lot of pushback, specifically from Mishegawa tribal council.
[1:39:07] So, I'm curious, has there been any revisiting of that site on the shelter to potentially
[1:39:16] do something for the encampment and living space? Are you able to comment on whether there's
[1:39:25] been an appetite to revisit?
[1:39:31] Unfortunately, I can't speak to any discussion about moving the shelter
[1:39:35] itself. I haven't been involved in those so I'm sorry and just to fall
[1:39:40] thank you for that but getting to the point at hand with the
[1:39:44] encampment. At this time we can't really look at where we're getting the
[1:39:50] funding. This has to be done. It's not desirable to have an open, you know an
[1:39:58] open book or whatever else we want to get funding from somewhere but if not I
[1:40:02] the residents deserve that and we'll just have to find a way to make that happen. I don't
[1:40:09] think we can really waste more time trying to decide where we can get funding because as you
[1:40:15] said it's just it hasn't come and the prospects of it coming are probably slim to none and that
[1:40:22] would be my comment for my colleagues we have to find a way and I'd be in full support. I know
[1:40:30] residents would be in full support of that expenditure if it provide it for a safe and
[1:40:39] desirable location for foreign campments and to move them away from residential neighborhoods.
[1:40:51] Any other questions or comments? So yes, Councillor Gistondidge.
[1:40:54] Yeah, I think I think the CAO and his report hits it pretty pretty good.
[1:41:00] Unless you move the shelter, okay? You need to move the shelter.
[1:41:04] The public went into the McIntyre arena and said,
[1:41:08] get the shelter out of residential three years ago.
[1:41:13] Now, the went to D-Sab, D-Sab said
[1:41:15] we're going to move the shelters, not as easy as it seems.
[1:41:18] If you don't move the shelter, the report is correct.
[1:41:21] Everybody's going back to the same spot.
[1:41:23] So the best you're going to get away with, okay,
[1:41:29] is advancing that I and Megan discussed
[1:41:32] and said, put a fence along there, okay, and protect those residents so that people can't climb over the fence you go through their yards.
[1:41:43] If we all of a sudden, I don't think we should allow in Catman's period.
[1:41:48] You move the shelter, make it bigger, there is no tents or lots of room in the shelter, but we haven't done that yet.
[1:41:54] The problem is, they're going to go back to the same spot.
[1:41:57] If you put it down pine street and say one site for encampments is something that we've
[1:42:07] voted on, we agreed to, we just can't find that one site.
[1:42:11] So if we put it down pine street, then we basically would be telling which is what the idea
[1:42:20] of one site is, is this is where you're going to go.
[1:42:26] You're not going to put a tent anywhere, you feel like, because right now the way it seems
[1:42:32] in the city of Timons, it's almost like, and we've got to get away from that.
[1:42:35] We've got to start a changing routine of everybody where people think you can just come
[1:42:43] to Timons and do whatever you want, do whatever you want, open drugs, set up a tent here,
[1:42:49] set up a tent there, like there's got to be something.
[1:42:52] You know, I don't know if time streets the answer, we keep struggling with this.
[1:43:00] You know, I think it's at all, and I think we agree, maybe we don't agree. The shelter has to move.
[1:43:07] If the shelter doesn't move, everybody goes back to the same spot. That's the routine.
[1:43:15] You know, and, and, and, and, and I think I think about the funding when when when when
[1:43:20] was on the D-SAB and the HPP funding that's there that you would think that the D-SAB,
[1:43:27] one of that HPP funding, would give us some money for helping to clean up around there.
[1:43:35] But no, that's unfortunate, but that's just the way it is.
[1:43:41] But there is no resolution, okay?
[1:43:45] You know, the bottom line is, is like I said, we can't just let people do whatever they feel like.
[1:43:53] There's people that are struggling out there, we get it.
[1:43:56] But it's also seriously impacting the lives of people that are in that neighborhood and anywhere around there.
[1:44:05] But we haven't landed on anything yet. We haven't landed. So we have to mitigate the best we can.
[1:44:10] So if we require a resolution to put that fence up and pay for it so that these residents don't have to, you know, the tieback that you talked about that you don't have to look across and see what's going on or you fence off that area and don't allow tents there.
[1:44:30] Those are our options, but there is no resolution on the table.
[1:44:34] You know what I mean? We have nothing to vote on. There is a report, okay? I was going to bring a resolution a couple of meetings ago, but I didn't know if there was support.
[1:44:45] So, and engaging the listening to the conversation, I still don't think there's support.
[1:44:54] So, you know, am I going to bring a resolution for fencing?
[1:44:58] No one can't misperry it.
[1:45:00] Bring them out to Pine Street. This is something we got to work out together. Somehow, you know what I mean? Like we can't, we can't just let people that do whatever they feel like at the expense of, you know, and not like I said, understanding that it's not easy living in a tent either. I still don't think people should be living in a tent. I really don't think so. So, anyways, I just, I'm looking to see a resolution, but I think the best we can do for now is that that fencing to help the residents for now.
[1:45:31] Councillor, any other questions or comments, come back to your Councillor Filman?
[1:45:37] Just to conclude, I know we have to move on, but respectfully, I don't really agree with
[1:45:41] my colleague's view that we're not in support, all I've heard is support around the
[1:45:46] table.
[1:45:46] If you want to bring a resolution, I know I would support it, and I haven't seen evidence
[1:45:52] of not wanting to support a one-site for encampments and the shelter to move the shelter
[1:46:01] to take all these steps. I haven't seen any wavering at the table. We just haven't, as you
[1:46:09] said, gotten it done, but bring a resolution, and I know it would get support around the
[1:46:14] table. And as the CAO stated, we can say this is where you put your tents, et cetera, but
[1:46:21] you state it yourself. Councilor goes on, which is that people are just going to go back
[1:46:26] to where they're comfortable, and to manage and monitor that is going to be, you know,
[1:46:33] what challenges has been to this state. So I did want to kind of take exception to saying
[1:46:38] there was not support that, you know, you're not really sure where we stand. I know where
[1:46:44] I stand, and it's to move this, and to get it done.
[1:46:49] Well, just a point of information, if I can just respond, very simple, why do I have to
[1:46:55] the resolution. Okay, I have resolutions on that. I have everything. I don't
[1:46:59] I have to bring it. Well, no, it's the point of information. I'm still
[1:47:03] thinking of you. Just to clarify, you know what I mean? Why do I have to
[1:47:06] break it? Thank you. Yeah, we're a council. Somebody else could. Thank you.
[1:47:10] Council, it gets done. You're welcome. Are there any other comments?
[1:47:16] No. Okay. Well, I, I, yes,
[1:47:20] go ahead, Council. Just for clarification. Are we voting on this tonight?
[1:47:25] For
[1:47:26] There is no resolution that being said there has already been one item added to this agenda this evening
[1:47:31] I don't see why we couldn't have another
[1:47:34] Okay, when would you like us to wait for notice emotions to request the two thirds required to do that?
[1:47:40] No, we could do it following this discussion so if there is a desire to have a resolution added to the agenda that is something that can happen
[1:47:48] So as I was going to stay, I was just going to clarify that around the HPP funding, since I
[1:47:54] am the one that brought it up, and it was stated here around the table that the DSAP has not
[1:47:58] given the City of Timons, any money of that HPP to help with the cleanup, and that is accurate,
[1:48:03] but I do just want to clarify that the distribution of the HPP funding, the allocation
[1:48:08] of HPP funding is done through an RFP process, and the City of Timons did not respond to the
[1:48:12] RFP with a request for any support to help with the cleanup, so I just want to put that clarification
[1:48:18] out there. That being said, Councillor Gistonna, and I do agree on one thing, that there is no ideal
[1:48:26] option presented in this report. And though we might want to continue looking at a potential
[1:48:31] designated location for an encampment site. In the meantime, I would support the installation of
[1:48:38] a fence of fencing. As Councillor Filman mentioned, I believe there was support to the idea of
[1:48:45] worrying that, I myself had asked if we could get costing,
[1:48:50] if we had already asked for costing, or if we could get costing,
[1:48:52] or I'm fancy, now that I see that here,
[1:48:53] I see that this is definitely a low-cost mitigation measure
[1:48:57] that we could put in place to just provide some
[1:49:00] reprieve to the neighbors that are in that area,
[1:49:02] because as we've all acknowledged, whether or not
[1:49:04] we designated in the cabinet site, there will still be a certain
[1:49:08] level of activity happening in that lane way.
[1:49:11] People pedestrian traffic going back and forth to the emergency
[1:49:15] the shelter there. And so I would be in support of installing the
[1:49:18] fencing behind the residences that are on that block on spruce. I'd
[1:49:23] be in support of either one of the options that were presented here. They're
[1:49:25] just the straight fencing with a walking path or the gates for each individual
[1:49:29] property. And so that I think I would defer to what the residents prefer. And that
[1:49:34] area, knowing that again, if we have it as an insight, there will still be activity
[1:49:38] back there. If we decide to move forward with one of the sites presented here tonight,
[1:49:43] and I should just mention that there is no resolution here because every time we've brought a
[1:49:47] resolution it hasn't gone any further and so rather than putting all the eggs on one
[1:49:50] basket we wanted to talk. Have the discussion around council based on the information provided
[1:49:54] in this report where we would like to take this item. So with that said, should we want to continue
[1:50:02] to move forward with the designated site at one of the locations presented? I do believe that
[1:50:06] if we're going to do that we should still consider installing the fencing behind those residences
[1:50:11] on on stress.
[1:50:14] With that being said, I've presented a few new ideas here, and so I can to open the floor
[1:50:19] for further questions or comments.
[1:50:21] Do you want to read the comments?
[1:50:21] Do you want to read the comments?
[1:50:23] Go ahead.
[1:50:24] Go ahead.
[1:50:24] If you're interested, but I would just like to move that we designate the fine sheet location
[1:50:28] as the albeit temporary one site in campus site for the spring summer of 2026, so that we
[1:50:37] can enact and follow our bylaws as required
[1:50:42] and that we proceed with the fence as mentioned.
[1:50:49] I see with the fences as well.
[1:50:50] I'm sure they're building up.
[1:50:57] Yes.
[1:50:58] Why should you self-location?
[1:51:04] I'm not real self-located with the installation of fence.
[1:51:11] Knowing that we might have some minor editing to do
[1:51:14] to the wording here of the resolution.
[1:51:17] I'll ask if there is a seconder.
[1:51:19] Seconded, Guy Councilor Curley.
[1:51:22] And this is to add this resolution to tonight's agenda, of course, so if the resolution could be read, as you noted it, and then of course, we could refine it if necessary.
[1:51:33] Thank you, Worship.
[1:51:34] A resolution needs to be resolved that council designate the fine street self location as the temporary encampment site and that fencing be installed behind living space in the lean way.
[1:51:43] So the resolution for our consideration is actually a motion to add that resolution to tonight's agenda.
[1:51:49] That was moved by Councillor Black and secreted by Councillor Curley.
[1:51:54] And so all in favor of adding the resolution to tonight's agenda.
[1:51:59] Okay, that's carried unanimously, so we will add that as item.
[1:52:10] Okay, let's go ahead and just consider the resolution.
[1:52:13] Now that we're already added here, we're the item.
[1:52:17] Thank you for that suggestion, Mr. Palmer,
[1:52:21] so we've heard the resolution.
[1:52:24] We will now require a mover and a seconder for that resolution, now that it's been
[1:52:27] and that's moved by Councillor Black and Secretary of State by Councillor...
[1:52:30] I guess on a pitch. Is there any discussion on the resolution?
[1:52:34] Councillor Lee Sam? Thank you. We're just a few questions, though. If we do go with Pine Street, is there a cost to
[1:52:40] moving people back and forth? Is there a security issues? Are we responsible for anything that
[1:52:45] happens on that site? Because Council has decided that this is a campsite. Are we putting ourselves
[1:52:51] in jeopardy by not having any control? Any way of transportation or any responsibility of what we've
[1:52:58] decided to put these people in this location.
[1:53:01] So that's just a question before we make this vote.
[1:53:04] I'm not in favor without any of those costings
[1:53:06] or those responsibilities.
[1:53:09] So I think it would be those questions
[1:53:10] that we should be answering before we decide
[1:53:12] this is where the encampment is going
[1:53:15] without having any of the responsibilities
[1:53:17] that we've made to decide on this location.
[1:53:24] Thank you, Councillor Riseum.
[1:53:25] And I'm going to go to Councillor Murray.
[1:53:28] Thank you.
[1:53:31] Yeah, I just, I really think that residents deserve predictability, rules, accountability,
[1:53:38] designated site, does allow for enforcement, monitoring, and clear expectations.
[1:53:43] Some things that don't exist in unmanaged contaminants.
[1:53:46] So I think that's sort of where my thoughts are.
[1:53:48] But certainly appreciate what Councillor Wasell shared as well.
[1:53:50] I think that adds to the conversation.
[1:53:53] So I think, curious to hear what other people are going to say as well.
[1:53:56] But I think residents, certainly in the area right now,
[1:54:00] where we do see a lot of tents, have endured quite a lot.
[1:54:08] And thinking about other areas of our city
[1:54:11] and what the impact could be to other parts of the city
[1:54:14] if we decide to just move it from one place to next.
[1:54:17] So I'm a little bit reluctant to do that,
[1:54:19] but curious to hear what other people have to share as well.
[1:54:25] Councillor Convint.
[1:54:25] Thank you, Your Worship and Councillor Rosal is correct,
[1:54:28] which is why I think even if we do pass the resolution,
[1:54:32] Okay, it's going to be that, you know, we're going to put the fence up.
[1:54:37] We know people are going to still have tents up in behind a living space.
[1:54:42] But in the meantime, we're going to transition into the pine street location because we're
[1:54:49] making a decision to say if you're going to have tents, this is where it's going to be.
[1:54:53] And we're not going to come down with an iron fist right away.
[1:54:56] We're going to take time to find out, you know what you're talking about, but we're going
[1:55:01] transition into a one site. So that's what I'm looking at in terms of, because like I said,
[1:55:10] we are going to put defense there. We know there's going to be people. This isn't going
[1:55:13] to happen April 1st or May 1st. It's going to take a while, I think, before we can transition
[1:55:22] people into that kind of setting. So I have no problem beginning the process. I don't know
[1:55:27] if we have to amend the resolution.
[1:55:30] But I think it's finally a step in the right direction, finally.
[1:55:33] But just some kind of things to work out, like he said.
[1:55:37] We're not, I don't know if Councillor Black wants to amend the resolution, but this
[1:55:42] is not an overnight thing.
[1:55:43] This is a transition working with the agencies, knowing that this is going to happen,
[1:55:50] get ready for it.
[1:55:51] We have now made a decision.
[1:55:53] So if you want to put a timeline on it, an amendment, then if that's going to satisfy
[1:55:57] people, whether it's 90 days or 120 days. And if we don't accomplish those goals within 120
[1:56:05] days or 90 days, then it comes back to this table for further consideration. That's, I think
[1:56:10] that would appease this council. What's else, maybe? A little bit? That we're not doing this like
[1:56:15] just, right away. I wouldn't, I wouldn't vote in support of that. So what's important is that the
[1:56:19] resolution, as it reads, says that we are designating that site. And so we might want to consider
[1:56:23] the wording around this in this resolution, if we want to clarify around, you know, dates,
[1:56:32] but it will take effect, or if we want to clarify that we're identifying the site for a designated
[1:56:37] site, rather than designating the site, those are all things to consider. I'll come back to
[1:56:41] Councillor Black Go ahead. Thank you, Your Worship. We've been at this for three years through
[1:56:48] multiple iterations. Last December meeting, we were told there's, I don't know what the number was,
[1:56:55] but I think it was over 30 partner agencies at the table, over 60, maybe. However many there are
[1:57:03] many partner agencies that are committed to making a one-site solution working many agencies that
[1:57:10] recognize that they don't want encampments popping up
[1:57:14] in parks and streets and laneways and for multiple safety.
[1:57:22] There are going to be cost involved.
[1:57:23] There are costs involved with this issue now.
[1:57:25] We have endured costs cleaning up taking care of facilities,
[1:57:29] sending by-laws, sending police, sending fire,
[1:57:33] to all these sites for three years.
[1:57:35] And in addition to that, we have had residents share numerous stories with the burdens that they have faced, whether it be, you know, people in their yards, people doing things in the yards, people defecating in their yards.
[1:57:51] So I am prepared to move on this. I understand that there are going to be fall-up reports that are going to say, hey, if you want to consider a transportation service, here's the cost of a transportation service.
[1:58:01] Hey, if you want to consider the security or anything else there, there are going to be additional costs and additional reports that council is going to have to vote on whether they do it or not.
[1:58:11] However, what this accomplishes tonight is a dedicated site that will stop the random popping up in any laneway and anyone's yard.
[1:58:20] I don't know how many businesses have called me in the last two years and they've had fires up against the structures because people have had tents up against the structures and started fires to stay warm.
[1:58:28] So, I would like to move on this, and I would request a recorded vote, to me, it's time
[1:58:36] to take our residents in some way that long enough.
[1:58:38] I understand there's going to be cost, and that's going to come out of cost of residents
[1:58:40] as well.
[1:58:43] They cost of a loss of life of having a fire started beside some person's residents or
[1:58:49] business, where they sleep as well, through no fault of their own, the only fault being
[1:58:56] we couldn't take action over the course of three years. I'm not well in the live with that anymore.
[1:59:00] It's time for us to move on with this and I agree with fellow council members that
[1:59:05] shelter relocation has to remain on the table. This is not that issue tonight. This is taking
[1:59:09] a step in the right direction to solve the free roaming encampments set up anywhere in our city that
[1:59:15] has existed for many years and needs to come to an end with a dedicated site. So I would request
[1:59:21] to record it, but tonight.
[1:59:24] Well, are there any other questions or comments around?
[1:59:27] Well, I don't.
[1:59:28] Just a question.
[1:59:29] I'm looking around the room to see if anyone is raising their hand
[1:59:32] to be able to speak at this moment.
[1:59:38] Councillor Custone of it.
[1:59:39] You still have a reason to send that.
[1:59:40] OK, yeah, very little or go ahead.
[1:59:42] So what I'm just a question to Councillor Blacks.
[1:59:45] So if we do this now, should we not put,
[1:59:50] are you open to a friendly amendment for like 90 days?
[1:59:53] because I mean, what's that?
[2:00:02] So, thank you. This is the way the discussion is supposed to be taking place where we're finally maybe agreeing on something and you're limiting our ability to like a question through you to the CAO. If we pass this tonight, okay, how long before that site is ready, you got to clear trees correct?
[2:00:27] Is it even our right?
[2:00:29] Is it on a bit?
[2:00:30] Question three.
[2:00:30] Can you please turn your microphone off?
[2:00:32] You no longer have the floor.
[2:00:33] Why?
[2:00:34] It's a question through.
[2:00:36] Thank you.
[2:00:37] And I'm not actually going to give the floor to Mr.
[2:00:39] Lenders at this moment.
[2:00:41] I just want to take control back of this conversation a little bit
[2:00:44] because now discussion is happening with
[2:00:46] people being called on and having the floor appropriately.
[2:00:50] So I would just like us to slow this down a little bit
[2:00:52] so that we know who's turned it actually is to speak.
[2:00:55] because there's a lot of back-and-forth that's happening.
[2:00:58] This is indirected to anyone personally.
[2:01:00] Well, yeah, it is, actually, to be honest.
[2:01:02] I raise my hands, so.
[2:01:04] I think what the concerns are is that without a plan,
[2:01:09] that's been developed for one of these sites.
[2:01:12] The other questions about, are we opening ourselves up
[2:01:15] to liability?
[2:01:16] Who's responsible if an incident occurs on that site?
[2:01:20] Chetara, Chetara.
[2:01:22] The reason there wasn't a resolution on tonight's agenda
[2:01:24] was because staff was looking for direction on which one of these options to continue to advance,
[2:01:31] which one of these options for which option do we develop the operational plan?
[2:01:36] How do we get to a point where we can be telling people that this is a site that they could
[2:01:40] be utilizing for encampments? Because as Councilor Guest Onovitch acknowledged, it's not tomorrow.
[2:01:46] That site is not ready for us to have as the designated encampments site without, in my opinion,
[2:01:51] And this is where I have questions
[2:01:53] without opening ourselves up to liability.
[2:01:56] And so I would tend to agree that perhaps rather than
[2:02:00] designated the site with a resolution tonight
[2:02:02] without putting any kind of parameters, details
[2:02:04] around effective dates around operational plans
[2:02:09] that we might end up encountering some issues.
[2:02:12] And so I do agree that we might want to consider
[2:02:15] amending this resolution if it's not actually meeting
[2:02:18] the purposes or answering all of the questions
[2:02:20] that we have. Not suggesting that we slow this down. I'm recognizing that spring is here. I'm just saying that rather than identifying this, well, I don't know. I don't know if we does it doesn't need this site and tomorrow people are being told that this is the site can utilize for a command if we then open ourselves up to liability or for the risks. So that is a concern of mine with moving forward. I do want to see that site. That fence go up.
[2:02:48] I personally wanted to see a little bit more information about how we can make the Pine Street
[2:02:53] self-location work if that's the preferred location from council. This resolution however isn't
[2:02:59] doing that. And so I just want to share my concerns that have been voiced by some other
[2:03:03] counselors that I don't know if I can support this resolution as it's written. Simply because right now
[2:03:08] as it's written, it states that as soon as this resolution's passed, that is now or designated
[2:03:13] it in camp and say, and I'm not sure what that means for the miscellity at this time.
[2:03:19] Councillor Gistard on it.
[2:03:21] I'm going to tell you what it means as soon as we've hold on it, if there's enough votes,
[2:03:25] administration has identified a site, and we're going to say that's the site.
[2:03:30] Now if administration comes back at the next council meeting and says, oh, that's not
[2:03:35] good anymore, then we'll deal with it.
[2:03:36] But tonight we're, we're, we're designating that as the in-campments site.
[2:03:42] Let's all. It can't go on spruce tree site because there's-
[2:03:48] I'll give the Florida Council, Curly. Thank you, Councillor Gostana.
[2:03:50] Okay, thank you. Thank you for cutting me off.
[2:03:53] Thank you for- so the Pine Street one, yes.
[2:03:56] The Fencing is a little concerning because we just saved with the footfencing.
[2:04:01] Obviously, it's how we're going to defend seeing end with the people that live there.
[2:04:06] One thing is put a fence down under back of the yard.
[2:04:08] But I mean, they parked their vehicles on a sport that
[2:04:12] makes special.
[2:04:14] It all has to be looked at, that's something that you try to
[2:04:18] figure out in your head and it's very difficult.
[2:04:20] And even for the residents, is how they would like a
[2:04:24] fence put in their back yard and gating for them to
[2:04:30] access their backyard, park in their vehicle.
[2:04:33] So there's a little bit more to it than just saying we're going
[2:04:35] to put a fence there.
[2:04:36] What they can enter basically was the report is to do a site location, so I have no problem
[2:04:44] moving forward with the site location, allowing a administration to go out there and come back in a couple of weeks
[2:04:52] time and reporting if anything any problems.
[2:04:57] So your desire is then that we identify this as the preferred site and have staff come back
[2:05:01] with information as to how to move forward.
[2:05:03] Now,
[2:05:07] I'm sorry, I'm asking a question to Councillor Curley.
[2:05:14] To identify it as the site, would you want information coming back from staff on how it would happen?
[2:05:26] Well, I'm not convinced that's what this resolution is doing.
[2:05:31] But with that, I'll see if there are any other comments or questions around the table.
[2:05:37] Okay, so there is a question that we reread the resolution if it can be reread the case.
[2:05:43] Thank you, Worship.
[2:05:44] Beat resolve the Council designate the Pine Street sub-location as the temporary encampment site
[2:05:49] and that fencing being stolen, but I'd living space in the winery.
[2:05:56] I would like to request the friendly amendment that with the clause pertaining to fencing
[2:06:01] that we do identify as per
[2:06:07] the appendices in this report, and so that it be clear that we're
[2:06:11] not talking about fencing across the whole laneway behind the living space, but just that one
[2:06:15] segment of the block that was identified in those appendices,
[2:06:26] as per appendices in the
[2:06:32] or following consultation with residents because to your point council curly in the report there are two options presented as to how we can do the
[2:06:44] Fencing and not being gates at each property or allowing for enough space for vehicles to still access through the back and so those considerations were taken in for account.
[2:06:58] Okay, having heard the resolution
[2:07:01] council
[2:07:02] Thank you should we separate it because I won't be in favor of the location. I'm in favor of defencing but I would not be supporting the location with
[2:07:11] without having more information on where responsibility of setting people out there, without
[2:07:17] anything, anything, any information supplied to me till we have that location set up with
[2:07:23] the report.
[2:07:26] If we just vote though, that would kill the fencing option.
[2:07:30] If the resolution remains as it's red, because no, I'm sorry, if it's voted, if it's defeated, what I'm hearing is that.
[2:07:36] If it's approved, then.
[2:07:38] Thank you very much.
[2:07:43] So there was a question. If you're not going to move to amend the resolution, then we will call the question and I'll hand that over to Mr. Palmitir.
[2:07:50] Go ahead.
[2:07:52] Thank you, Worship. Council of Black. In favor. Council of Curly. In favor.
[2:07:59] Council of Feldman. In favor. Council of Goods on of it. In favor. Council of Murray. In favor. Council of
[2:08:05] Westell. Against. Your Worship.
[2:08:11] In favor. Motion's carried. Six one.
[2:08:27] This one final item
[2:08:28] here under presentations and reports. It was the audit item being five L. A discussion
[2:08:32] around and wasn't quite clear, went to response,
[2:08:37] response to winter events.
[2:08:38] I'll hand this one over to Councillor Custone of it.
[2:08:41] Okay, thank you, your worship, I'll make it very clear.
[2:08:45] So I think for me, you know, we've, we've, we've, we had that storm in December.
[2:08:51] We just had 30 centimeters.
[2:08:53] We had more snow today.
[2:08:57] There's more snow coming tomorrow.
[2:08:59] we've never seen nothing like this, okay? And, you know, the city does a good job of putting
[2:09:11] everything on Facebook, but I think it's time that the public hears from their local elected
[2:09:18] officials if they so choose. When you have that much snow, okay? And we've never seen
[2:09:28] You know what I mean? Like it's like our snow dumps are full. There's nowhere else to put it. People
[2:09:35] In their own yards or whatever, they have nowhere to put it. Okay, this is unprecedented. So
[2:09:43] I think I think what it is is I think we just have to give people a heads up that
[2:09:48] Everybody is frustrated, okay?
[2:09:51] But we have to keep in mind that there are roads to do
[2:09:56] sidewalks to do, hydrants to do, and then you got water breaks on top of that, and then you
[2:10:02] got pod holes on top of that, and you combine that with the fact that we have trouble getting
[2:10:10] workers like everybody else. You look at transit on Facebook, they had to cancel a couple of
[2:10:17] roots, do two shortage of drivers. So that's a challenge that we have to overcome, okay?
[2:10:24] And, you know, we appreciate the work that's being done.
[2:10:27] We appreciate the patience of the residents, and I think the next six weeks, four to six
[2:10:34] weeks where the weather getting milder, it's going to be very tricky for us.
[2:10:39] Because you've got tons of snow.
[2:10:41] Where do you put it?
[2:10:42] You've got pod holes coming.
[2:10:44] You've got water breaks coming.
[2:10:45] As long as the public understands, everybody is doing the best that they can, this is unprecedented.
[2:10:52] But when I brought the report forward that we're going to get in June saying that if this is the norm,
[2:11:00] then we're going to have to come up with a strategy moving forward to deal with this kind of stuff.
[2:11:08] But this is unprecedented.
[2:11:09] And I wanted a chance, you know, like I mean, I've been frustrated.
[2:11:16] I've been driving the administration nuts.
[2:11:18] Okay, I understand it, but now I'm understanding the whole, you know, the whole picture and, you know, I had it on the agenda for last meeting and then I kind of, or maybe it was this meeting, but I pulled it off and I said, no, I think we need to hear from every member of council and the mayor can speak and say this is this one's tricky, this one is that's that's that you look out your window and that's a ton of snow, okay, so that's those are my comments and I welcome in the other comments.
[2:11:48] Thank you, Oursham.
[2:11:52] Thank you.
[2:11:53] Does anyone have any questions for clarification?
[2:11:55] Any comments?
[2:11:56] Councillor Curley.
[2:11:59] Thank you.
[2:12:00] The head has been tough here.
[2:12:02] It just looked like we're getting caught up the street to get wide.
[2:12:06] The crews are out there and hauled out of no idea.
[2:12:09] I think we've lost count on how many loads to the dump.
[2:12:13] I knew it used to be.
[2:12:14] I think a weekly report.
[2:12:15] I think we've given up on how many loads are actually being hauled out here and trying to find
[2:12:21] new sites where to put the snow. So they've done a good job in that regard. Of course,
[2:12:26] the extras snow is given to say shoes and of course we have to be open to catch
[2:12:32] basins and it just keeps on going and of course now on the whole season of definitely
[2:12:38] taking place.
[2:12:42] So I guess going forward, I know there's a little schedule a lot or the unfortunate
[2:12:47] part is to, is the push schedule, let's say what's going to get done and then we get snow.
[2:12:50] And then we, that has to get altered as well.
[2:12:53] So I don't know if there is any crystal ball out there saying we're going to do X-Street on Friday
[2:13:02] because we get a stonestorm and it changes itself around.
[2:13:08] So I don't know if we could put more information.
[2:13:12] I know on our Facebook page that Amanda puts the notices out there that's information given
[2:13:19] to hurt a post on there we have if we can possible put more out there because your
[2:13:26] everybody probably is getting calls while yourself getting calls what's going to happen
[2:13:31] next and where are you going next all sorts of issues about the snow and it is getting
[2:13:36] narrow. Streets that were wide two weeks ago are now down to the one and a half lanes so
[2:13:43] it's where it's going to go next are we going to be using in the next little while I
[2:13:49] So it's going to melt.
[2:13:50] It's supposed to melt this year,
[2:13:54] more contractors.
[2:13:55] We did.
[2:13:56] We were fortunate for a while.
[2:13:57] We put in a number of contractors.
[2:13:59] I believe our budget for snow removal,
[2:14:05] that was eaten up probably by Groundhog Day.
[2:14:10] But what are we going to be doing going forward financially?
[2:14:16] We have to keep going.
[2:14:17] regardless of the cost, but contractors are obviously
[2:14:21] several of our saviors here, and now we're going to continue going
[2:14:25] down that pathway.
[2:14:31] These are a lot of additional questions that are being managed by
[2:14:35] relevant departments. So I'm not sure if there's specific information that we're looking
[2:14:39] for, we can request that in the form of a report.
[2:14:43] I wouldn't want to start high-poiled the sizing around what's going to happen next.
[2:14:48] We would have to request that information from staff so that it could be
[2:14:53] right to provide us with the additional information.
[2:15:00] And
[2:15:02] so, essentially, I'm leaving it to operations and if they tell us that we need more contractors, which I know is a challenge and not, you know, on our end, but on the contractors end, there are availability.
[2:15:14] If there's anything more that's needed, I would assume that staff, I know that staff will come forward with those reports for additional required requests for additional resources.
[2:15:23] But in terms of what do we do going forward after this season, we do have the report already coming at the end of June.
[2:15:29] Councillor Comin. Thank you, Ourship. I had a question about the resolution or the
[2:15:40] for the correspondence about the presentation. I mean, I didn't know it was about making
[2:15:46] suggestions on what administration should do with snow removal. I'm not sure what Councillor
[2:15:53] Resonovich is asking us, he's not here.
[2:15:55] Maybe when he comes back, I understood or I heard that it
[2:16:00] wasn't enough for administration and the communications
[2:16:04] department to put things on Facebook.
[2:16:06] It was what can we do as counselors.
[2:16:09] So I want to keep the conversation along those lines,
[2:16:13] because that's what was raised.
[2:16:15] It wasn't really a question on what we should be doing
[2:16:18] about snow removal.
[2:16:20] We're trying to do what should be done about snow removal.
[2:16:24] So I'm just wondering, like, should there be a talent hall with the counselors there?
[2:16:29] Like, I know counselor because on a bitch isn't here, but my question is about what was raised,
[2:16:35] not about reopening what has been a very halacious winter.
[2:16:41] So I just want to know what's being asked.
[2:16:45] I'll do it.
[2:16:45] I mean, if they're saying, be out there,
[2:16:48] let's schedule a town hall with all the counselors.
[2:16:51] I'll do it if it can help.
[2:16:53] But I don't have the answers to how we can kind of defeat
[2:16:57] snow arm again, and I don't think anyone does.
[2:17:01] So that's, I just want to have a question
[2:17:02] with the author of this item.
[2:17:07] For respondents, isn't here right now.
[2:17:09] And so that's it.
[2:17:10] We don't have any material before us for consideration.
[2:17:13] We don't have the discussion points before us.
[2:17:16] And so I think this really was just to be raised as an open-ended discussion, but of course
[2:17:21] we do have agenda items that are before us that were prepared for consideration with resolutions
[2:17:27] for consideration.
[2:17:29] So we will have to move on in the agenda.
[2:17:30] So go ahead, Councillor Black, and then we'll go on to the next items.
[2:17:33] Thank you, Oarsha.
[2:17:36] And I know this may not be a popular comment.
[2:17:39] Given the winter we've had it, I think staff has done an excellent job.
[2:17:44] Obviously, there's areas where things could be better if we had more equipment, if we had,
[2:17:50] you know, a dozen mines in the neighborhood that weren't paying 50 to 100% more than we pay.
[2:17:58] And we're going to track all the staff that we wanted.
[2:18:01] It's a challenge.
[2:18:02] So I do appreciate the report that's going to come in the coming months,
[2:18:06] so how we strategize for next year and if we need to change our strategy a little bit when it comes to contracting
[2:18:11] outer or in and and how that's handled. My biggest concern is this used sucked for snow and general snow removal and it's not a fault or blame that I'm saying it's just we've had a lot of snow. The fence in my backyard is buried.
[2:18:27] I haven't seen that before.
[2:18:32] My biggest concern is this is very quickly going to turn to not how do we get rid of snow to a much bigger issue, which is the water and flooding control that's going to come.
[2:18:43] So that's my concern for the coming months. I heard about it. We had one day of melt there a week ago.
[2:18:49] And I've had numerous residents reach out to me telling me they had water and their basements from that partial melt we had.
[2:18:55] It is not going to be a pleasant spring.
[2:18:57] And I guess my only asker or favor of staff is to please try and help those residents
[2:19:04] that are in problem areas in any way we can, whether that be so removal from the area,
[2:19:11] or healthy with sandbags or whatever we can do to help protect those properties.
[2:19:14] It is not going to be a pleasant spring, and we know where the problem areas are.
[2:19:17] So I'm just asking that if we have resources available, do whatever we can to help those residents
[2:19:22] to protect their properties and shield the flooding that is going to come in the problem areas.
[2:19:28] Thank you.
[2:19:31] So with that, we'll close that discussion.
[2:19:34] Before moving on to correspondence,
[2:19:35] though, I will request that we take a five minute break.
[2:19:38] And so if we could reconvene at 7.55, please.
[2:19:43] Okay, it's now 7.55 and I'll call the meeting.
[2:19:46] Back to order, please.
[2:19:48] Okay.
[2:19:50] So we're now at correspondence in our agenda.
[2:19:53] Item 6, the review letters of correspondence received here, are there any of that anyone
[2:19:59] would like to speak to?
[2:20:07] Seeing none, I would like to take this opportunity to use the item 6f, the letter from
[2:20:11] the Timmins Public Library Board regarding the national launch of the TD Summer Reading Club.
[2:20:16] So the Timmins Public Library was selected as the location for the national launch of this annual
[2:20:24] TD Summer Reading Club, this initiative, because we were the national winners in a previous
[2:20:32] year.
[2:20:33] So I just want to extend my congratulations to all of the staff at the Timons Public Library
[2:20:38] as well as their Board of Directors and all of the volunteers and community partners that
[2:20:41] work with them on making sure that the TD Summer Reading Club is a great success here in
[2:20:46] the city of Timons.
[2:20:47] So looking forward to being able to host that launch event here in Timons with something
[2:20:51] that we shall be proud of.
[2:20:54] If there's nothing else that I don't want to like to speak to, let's go on to our consent agenda
[2:20:57] under item 7A, the adoption receipt of minutes, please.
[2:21:03] Thank you, Your Worship, moved by Councillor Oselle, so I'm right, Councillor Curley, bit resolved
[2:21:06] with the minutes of the regular meeting held March 10th, 2026, be adopted as presented,
[2:21:11] and that the minutes of the Museum Advisory Committee meeting held March 11, 2026, be received.
[2:21:18] I'll call for the vote, all in favor. Since caring.
[2:21:23] Item 7B, please, the first and second reading by-laws.
[2:21:28] Thank you, Your Worship, moved by Council of Curly, second by Council of Murray, bit resolved
[2:21:32] that following by us, we've given first and second reading, by 2023-2026-19302, being
[2:21:38] a pilot to enter into an agreement with, again, at Fleming Canada, you will see regarding
[2:21:43] the comprehensive transit master plan with integrated route optimization by 2023-303, being
[2:21:49] a pilot to enter into an agreement with MCA, contracting limited, regarding the rehabilitation
[2:21:54] of the Golden Avenue Bridge.
[2:21:56] By the 2026-90304, being a ballad to enter into an agreement with fur-pal construction
[2:22:01] limited regarding water-main lining of Riverside Drive, by 2026-9035, being a ballad
[2:22:07] to enter a agreement with Urban Link Civil Limited regarding the replacement of the Evan
[2:22:12] Street Bridge, by the 2026-9306, being a ballad to the men-ballad of 2024-8970, regarding
[2:22:19] the agreement with WSP candidate incorporated for the design and construction contracted
[2:22:24] administration for the TISDL Reservoir by 2023-07 being about to enter into a two-year
[2:23:00] The agreement was at Boni Company Limited regarding the purchase of one electric ice resurfacer, and by
[2:23:05] 2026-9311 being a ballot to enter to an agreement with the Minister of Solicitor General regarding
[2:23:10] the Ontario Fire Protection Grant Transfer Payment.
[2:23:15] Thank you. I need a discussion. I'll call for the vote on favor.
[2:23:20] I'm Washington's carry.
[2:23:23] Now, under item 8, motions of council, 8, please, Mr. Palmitare.
[2:23:28] Thank you, Your Worship. We'll buy council for sales. Secondary council, currently, be it resolved
[2:23:31] Council proves an exemption to the City of Timmins, Noise Bala in 1983, 1998, on September
[2:23:36] 12, 20, 26 from 3 p.m. until 2 a.m. at 1291, Don't Road, Timmins for a wedding.
[2:23:44] Any discussion?
[2:23:46] Hey, all in favor.
[2:23:48] So, it's Karen, and I'm 8 p.m. Please.
[2:23:51] Thank you, Worship, moved by Councillor Murray, 2nd by Councillor Kerley, bit, resolved
[2:23:54] the Council Prooser request from Timmins Public Library Board for Street Closure on 2nd Avenue
[2:23:59] between Burnett Road and Spruce Street south from 9am until 5pm on Saturday, June 20,
[2:24:04] 2026, for the national launch of the TD Summer Reading Club.
[2:24:08] In further than that, the city provide barricades for the road closure to large garbage containers
[2:24:12] and two large recycling containers.
[2:24:14] Further, that liability insurance and the amount of $5 million be provided, naming the city
[2:24:18] of Timons as additional name to Churred, and further than that, a copy of this resolution
[2:24:21] before, due to the Timons Police Service, Timons Fire Department, Timons Transit,
[2:24:25] Public Works Department, enforcement services, maintenance department and service
[2:24:30] of the votes have ended
[2:24:37] these weeks.
[2:24:44] Confirmed so options are expected to be
[2:25:00] 50?
[2:25:04] Thank you, Your Worship, but just a question through you to the clerk, this,
[2:25:10] I'm just trying to get the report off that thing.
[2:25:12] The report speaks to the cases where there was finding was there
[2:25:17] a number of complaints that were also investigated
[2:25:21] that didn't recommend action taken,
[2:25:24] and where we charged a fee for those as part of this 19,000,
[2:25:27] as well as discussed solely related to the reports where
[2:25:32] guilty verdicts for how our violation verdicts, whatever you want to call it.
[2:25:40] This costs are related to the contractual annual amount as well as any investigations that
[2:25:49] were completed, whether they be investigations that eventually became public or didn't
[2:25:55] proceed beyond the initial investigation staff.
[2:25:59] Thank you.
[2:26:15] May I ask questions?
[2:26:35] Currently, second-by-culture is on-of-age, where is the biennual time change has been shown
[2:26:40] to negatively affect public health, safety, and overall well-being, or permanent daylight
[2:26:45] savings time would provide residents with more evening daylight for immigration, community
[2:26:49] activities, and local economic participation, and where is the time amendment Act 2020 enables
[2:26:54] Ontario to adopt permanent daylight savings time, once neighbouring jurisdictions align,
[2:26:59] the progress towards that alignment has been slow. Now, therefore, be it resolved that
[2:27:03] the City of Timmons, urges the province of Ontario to take all necessary steps to implement
[2:27:07] permanent daylight savings time, and be it further resolved that the province being
[2:27:11] cursed for seed independently should enable drastic jurisdictions continue to delay,
[2:27:17] and be it further resolved this resolution be circulated in the Premier Ontario, the Minister
[2:27:20] of Attorney General, Minister of Missile Affairs and Housing, local MPPs, dissociation,
[2:27:25] and as far as Ontario and all municipalities.
[2:27:29] Thank you, discussion. Councilor Kalman.
[2:27:31] I thank your worship, while I would be in support of something that only has one or no
[2:27:41] change in a year, whether we stay on daylight, savings, time, or stay on just standard
[2:27:46] time, because as this resolution states, the time change is shown to negatively affect
[2:27:54] public health and safety and overall well-being, but there seems to be a lot of prevailing
[2:27:59] evidence that it's the daylight savings time that is causing even more health issues,
[2:28:06] sleep disorders, et cetera, where if we could stay on one time standard, I'd like to
[2:28:15] look more into this before I support it about which of those time standards should be the
[2:28:20] one that prevails just on the reading that I've been doing and research I've been gathering.
[2:28:28] I'm not convinced that going permanently on day-light savings time will improve the health
[2:28:34] and safety of the populist in a motion to defer worship.
[2:28:43] Councillor Fell.
[2:28:43] Thank you.
[2:28:44] The floor still open for questions, for discussions.
[2:28:48] So go ahead to Councillor Curley.
[2:28:51] Thank you.
[2:28:52] Well, if we're going to defer this or think of going back to the standard times,
[2:28:57] And then we're actually putting everybody back through a time change again.
[2:29:02] We are presently in daylight savings time.
[2:29:05] If we stay on daylight savings time, we're on now.
[2:29:09] There's no further time change as take.
[2:29:11] So your system would get accustomed to what it's on now.
[2:29:17] And I know myself who works here for many, many years, time change from working what that
[2:29:26] had a huge effect on the body and I think anybody who works shift for help there to tell you
[2:29:32] the same. It was very difficult to get changes of your state. We're not so to stay on something,
[2:29:38] we're present beyond. Only makes sense. The province has already passed this through based on
[2:29:46] they're just waiting on a couple of other, I guess, provinces and or believe it's New York
[2:29:53] to agree to it. So it's something I'm just putting forward. It's already there.
[2:29:59] We're good.
[2:30:00] I move in this direction. So I just want to put this forward on, and if the city, if we support this, we're just in line with what the province has already agreed to do. And move this same forward versus just sitting there, because eventually something is going to come out of there.
[2:30:19] And as the province has it, they're looking at the achieving time.
[2:30:23] So why would you want to put your body mind,
[2:30:27] Jill, everybody through another time, Chief.
[2:30:29] I think it's here now.
[2:30:31] It's already, we'll presently with it.
[2:30:34] So just move forward with this resolution. Thank you.
[2:30:40] Thank you.
[2:30:42] Me for the discussion?
[2:30:44] Okay. See you, none. We'll call for the vote.
[2:30:46] I'll in favor.
[2:30:50] And then we'll sense carrying.
[2:30:53] Okay, brings us now to item eight F, please.
[2:31:00] Thank you, Worship, moved by Councillor Murray, second by Councillor Kerley.
[2:31:02] Be it resolved.
[2:31:03] The council is here by a men resolution 26-069 to read as follows.
[2:31:07] Be it resolved.
[2:31:08] The council request an annual report from administration regarding the vacant building registry
[2:31:12] more specifically on how many buildings are on the registry, how many have been turned
[2:31:16] into homes and how much revenue is generated by fees, as well as a breakdown of current homes
[2:31:20] on the registry for each ward.
[2:31:24] Okay, in discussion, Councillor Osondich?
[2:31:27] Just a question, thank your worship through you to the clerk, why is this back on the agenda?
[2:31:34] Do we change something to it?
[2:31:38] Do we know to prove this at the last meeting?
[2:31:41] The time change is affecting me, that's why.
[2:31:45] I don't we approve this at the last meeting.
[2:31:48] So if we could just highlight the amendment that's being brought forward in this resolution, please?
[2:31:57] Honestly, Councilor, I thought you put it back on the agenda. No, I think we, I think okay anyways
[2:32:04] So we can expect that report at the next meeting
[2:32:09] Well, I'll have to confirm that the report I'm working on has all the information. Okay, it was in this resolution, but yes, that was the plan
[2:32:16] Yeah, because we that'll be April 14 because we cancel the April 28 meeting
[2:32:22] So okay, that's good
[2:32:25] Thank you. I thought we are yeah. I thought we already approved this anyways
[2:32:29] It's a time change.
[2:32:31] I'm still awaiting clarification as to whether or not there is an amendment that's being brought forward to this resolution or if the resolution should be withdrawn.
[2:32:39] And, no, the resolution was amended at the last meeting. I don't know why it was, it was amended on the fly at the last meeting, so it was just inadvertently reattired.
[2:32:50] Okay, so we'll withdraw this resolution from the agenda then, and we'll go right on to item 8G please Mr. Palmitir.
[2:32:57] I'm
[2:33:17] sorry, thank you, Worship.
[2:33:19] Moved by Councillor Kuzanov, it's second by Councillor Curley, whereas Councillor the City
[2:33:23] of Timmins has directed that enforcement service department, working a junction with
[2:33:26] public works department and contractors as required to clean up specific areas of town, in
[2:33:31] an effort to beautify the city, and reduce the negative impact that the garbage has on
[2:33:35] the neighborhood and surrounding property owners, and covering the costs of those cleanups.
[2:33:40] And whereas there are other properties throughout Timmins that require clean up through an
[2:33:44] of the property owner due to circumstances outside the property owners control that the garbage
[2:33:49] accumulation is causing a negative impact on the neighborhood and surrounding owners.
[2:33:53] And where does council city timids is committed to providing clean and beautiful neighborhoods
[2:33:58] for our residents to enjoy?
[2:34:00] Now, therefore, we resolve the council here by direct enforcement services department to provide
[2:34:05] notice to property owners that council has directed the immediate cleanup of their property
[2:34:09] with the assistance of the public works department or contractors if necessary
[2:34:13] and that the cost to clean up the property would be covered by the city.
[2:34:19] Councillor Gistandert.
[2:34:20] Here we go, Mr. Clean.
[2:34:24] Anyways, this all stems from, we're always splitting hairs of where we're going in terms
[2:34:32] of cleaning up.
[2:34:33] This goes back to last year, we spent $100,000 cleaning up around the shelter.
[2:34:40] There was one property in particular, which was an empty lot, okay?
[2:34:45] So what had happened is garbage had blown, got onto that empty lot, somebody reported that a lot, okay?
[2:34:52] And it was a private owner, and they got flagged by by law, and they had to go in and clean up, okay?
[2:35:01] And this is happening all around the city.
[2:35:03] I have a situation in Schumacher where I have an apartment building, okay?
[2:35:08] And they have a dumpster in the back that they're supposed to use.
[2:35:15] They keep putting their garbage in the front.
[2:35:17] There's an empty lot in between the two buildings.
[2:35:24] And they're putting all their junk on this empty lot.
[2:35:28] The guy has a beautiful building beside it.
[2:35:31] And what happens is because of the policy,
[2:35:35] Okay? The guy that owns the empty lot is responsible to clean it. We need to stop doing this, okay, to our own private residents.
[2:35:48] Unfortunately, it's not just the shelter where this is taking place. It's taking place in other areas, in timings, and also in Schumacher, where this resolution is going to hopefully,
[2:36:04] And I've discussed this with the community and safety and well-being coordinator to give the authority
[2:36:10] for us to get a contractor in there and
[2:36:14] Just go and clean it up because if somebody gets into the garbage and then we take two or three days to get there the garbage blows all over the place
[2:36:25] That's not what we're looking for, okay?
[2:36:29] We have
[2:36:31] So many residents that take care of their properties and take pride in, you know, how the city looks.
[2:36:42] Unfortunately, we have some residents that don't care.
[2:36:49] And then what happens is this is the trickles down to the neighbors.
[2:36:53] Okay? And so what happens is there is no recourse on on anybody on this. So the
[2:37:03] just of the resolution is the complaint comes in. It's on private property.
[2:37:09] Somebody gets into a dumpster and throws the garbage all over the place. Okay?
[2:37:14] We got to get in there and clean it up. Okay? And we got to do it quick. And we can't
[2:37:18] public works. If it's on private property, they won't go on private property. They'll go on public property.
[2:37:26] We've got to stop splitting hairs. Get in there. Get a car.
[2:37:30] We have to pay for it, unfortunately, but in the end, it doesn't punish private landowners and it keeps our community clean.
[2:37:40] That is the gist of this resolution. Thank you, Your Worship.
[2:37:45] Here we go, and I'll open the floor for discussion.
[2:37:49] Councilor Feldman.
[2:37:51] Thank you, Ourship.
[2:37:54] Directed to Councillor Guzonovich, like in fundamentally, I understand what you're saying that there are perpetrators dumping garbage on innocent, maybe landowners, which, you know, on the surface seems quite unfair,
[2:38:12] but I don't know how we can manage that because we run the risk when we say Council has
[2:38:19] directed the immediate cleanup. It seems like it's contravening like policies or procedures
[2:38:24] we already have in place and it could potentially set up where even that landowner that
[2:38:31] potentially is complaining about others dumping on the site could start knowing that the city will
[2:38:38] go and automatically clean it up, could potentially just dump garbage and not take care of
[2:38:45] his own garbage.
[2:38:46] So I like it and spirit, but I think there's a lot of open-dans that could create a real
[2:38:55] juggernaut for an already restrained by law and public works department.
[2:39:03] So I just would like some more clarification on how
[2:39:07] how this could work without, you know, potentially opening
[2:39:12] up a Pandora's box.
[2:39:16] Well, thank you.
[2:39:17] Your word should be another one.
[2:39:17] Well, I would like to practice by saying that I will give the
[2:39:20] floor to you because the question was directed at you.
[2:39:23] So please, Councillor Custon, if you can share your opinion on how
[2:39:26] you think that this could work, you might want to pose the same
[2:39:29] question to enforcement staff.
[2:39:30] No, no, I think I think personally I've put in 400 service requests 90% of those are for property standards issues.
[2:39:42] So we know who the frequent flyers are.
[2:39:46] We know where the problem spots are.
[2:39:48] Okay, so if we want to split hairs on the bylaw,
[2:39:51] I trust the judgment of the bylaw department as well as the community safety and well-being coordinator.
[2:39:59] Okay, to administrate this and there will be no issues because, like I said, we know who the property owner starts.
[2:40:09] It's always the same people, the same complaints.
[2:40:13] And if somebody is taking advantage, like Councillor Feldman is saying, I'm sure we'll figure it out somehow.
[2:40:20] We'll figure it out.
[2:40:20] But I'm talking about mostly, what we're talking about an area where you go from Schumacher to around the shelter.
[2:40:29] this is, you know, when we do the spring bylaw blitz, okay, which has been a very successful
[2:40:37] blitz, the bylaw knows where they're going. Okay, they know who is, like I call it in
[2:40:45] frequent flyers and not respecting other people's property that live, I'll give you an example,
[2:40:51] is there's one property in Schumacher where they don't even put their garbage out, all winter,
[2:40:57] They just throw it in the back yard until the springtime comes and then a complaint comes in from from me
[2:41:05] The contractor goes in there bylaws ends to clean the garbage up
[2:41:09] But right here. This is this is pretty simple for us to do because we know where we're going. They basically.
[2:41:16] How's it back?
[2:41:20] Thank you worship
[2:41:21] a little confused with the example that was just given because under this we would clean that up
[2:41:30] at our costs, which isn't desirable.
[2:41:34] To me when we had some discussion about this,
[2:41:38] it was to starting to surround some of the problems,
[2:41:43] which I feel for residents, right?
[2:41:45] If you're in a neighborhood that has increased activity
[2:41:47] that no neighborhood wants it, whether it be needles
[2:41:50] or other materials I get wanting to support those residents
[2:41:54] and help them address what is a systemic community issue
[2:42:00] in continually littering their property with potentially hazardous
[2:42:06] whether it be needles or other bio-hazard materials,
[2:42:13] but to have a blanket
[2:42:14] city is going to clean up. Any garbage areas, I don't know how we would ever
[2:42:22] manage that and how you separate the good from the bad, you know, I have
[2:42:28] Some pesky bears, my neighborhood that if I don't put my garbage away in my garage, it ends up all over my
[2:42:35] yard, and it sucks to clean it up, but it's my fault, so I clean it up.
[2:42:40] So I'm potentially in favor, and wasn't in favor of supporting residents in dealing with
[2:42:45] some of our systemic issues in the community, and trying to support our business community
[2:42:51] that may wake up due to some of our other challenges that we're trying to address with, you
[2:42:55] matter that is clearly from people being where they shouldn't be and doing things they shouldn't be doing.
[2:43:04] But I don't know that I could support a blanket. We're going to clean up any garbage that's on private property.
[2:43:15] Council currently?
[2:43:18] Thank you. I do have a little bit issue just the way it was worth it.
[2:43:27] example. If, well, in a residential part, so the tenants living there just throwing it
[2:43:32] in their backyard and we're sending our crews in later to clean it up.
[2:43:40] Okay, find it
[2:43:41] and then you're contract are going into clean up as long as the cost is put on their
[2:43:46] tax bill. So long as long as it's covered, I don't want to see our us pick it up to
[2:43:52] for everything that's going on here. So in some cases it's you need to do that, but another
[2:44:00] one's known, it has to be applied to their taxes. So I guess they'd have to have each
[2:44:07] case a merit for each case and how to apply. And I don't know if there's any words that
[2:44:13] can be put in here, allow and discretion for what areas that we would send our crews in
[2:44:22] clean up or contract it clean up. So I don't know if anybody can think of a words to put in here
[2:44:28] the resolution so it's not wide open to narrow it down. So that's why only concern on this one.
[2:44:36] Thank you.
[2:44:38] Okay, any other discussion?
[2:44:42] Right. See none like T-Country Standard?
[2:44:44] Yeah.
[2:44:44] When you talk about systematic, this is systematic.
[2:44:49] very much so. And the reason I say that is, in Schumacher, for example, we, there's
[2:44:57] organizations that place people in death.
[2:45:00] Housing, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work. When it doesn't work, this is what happens. This is systematic.
[2:45:08] Like through you, your worship to the clerk, the clerk can outline how we deal with this one property in Schumacher, where this is systematic and there's nothing we can do.
[2:45:22] Nothing. Can you explain the clerk, please?
[2:45:28] Nothing we can do.
[2:45:31] Mr. Pointeer, can you just an example of that's being brought forward?
[2:45:35] Thank you, Your Worship.
[2:45:37] If I may thank you, Councillor Gibbs-Anavich.
[2:45:39] I believe I'll answer your question and I'll also answer Councillor Kerley at the same time.
[2:45:46] Yes, so the situation is very difficult to deal with in Schumacher
[2:45:51] because the individuals creating the problem have a number of issues and there's a number of
[2:46:01] agencies involved and unfortunately the mess is being left on a neighboring property so we're
[2:46:09] unable to use our current properties or using our current property standards bylaw would penalize
[2:46:15] the neighbor who is not offending the bylaw. So in the prior example or the tenants are throwing
[2:46:21] garbage in the backyard, when we send the crews into clean it up, that's after we provided
[2:46:25] notice, followed the process, and then we charged those costs associated with that cleanup
[2:46:30] back to the property taxpayer.
[2:46:33] In this example here, in this resolution, in Calcirc is on which remember this, I was requesting
[2:46:38] that the addresses be added to this resolution, so it's site specific to an address, and
[2:46:44] we go in and we clean it up.
[2:46:45] And if it becomes a problem later, council would then have to bring another resolution back
[2:46:50] authorizing us because this resolution, as it stands, is contradictory to our current property
[2:46:55] standards process.
[2:46:58] And I had, and yes, so if you want to prove this resolution, it would be profitable if
[2:47:04] the addresses were on it.
[2:47:06] If there are no addresses, I would recommend that we just let the property standards process
[2:47:10] play out and unfortunately there are instances where our property standards would be not
[2:47:20] fair to enforce on a non-defending property owner that's getting the garbage or dealing with the
[2:47:26] brunt of the problem. But, yeah, if this resolution was amended to say specifically the addresses
[2:47:32] that you want cleaned up, we'd be happy to do that. But, okay, that's good. I so amend 55
[2:47:38] father Costello. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, there's nothing. You can't keep punishing that guy.
[2:47:44] So, I'll make an amendment if somebody wants to second it, that if there's systematic issues
[2:47:49] there that we can't deal with that we send a contractor and just clean it up.
[2:47:53] It looks terrible.
[2:47:54] Like the guy had a face.
[2:47:55] As a mover, you can make a friendly amendment that we include the address of 55
[2:47:59] Castello as long as father to still.
[2:48:01] Secondary father to Castello's story.
[2:48:03] It's like a derrs in favor of that amendment to the resolution.
[2:48:09] So the mover of the resolution is a mending precisely.
[2:48:18] And so the move of the resolution is
[2:48:20] remaining the resolution so that it includes the address
[2:48:24] of the site in question.
[2:48:27] Which in this case is 55 Father Castello Drive?
[2:48:32] If the seconder of the motion is amenable to that,
[2:48:38] and Q, and so let's now discuss the resolution as amended.
[2:48:42] Is there any further discussion?
[2:48:43] So,
[2:48:51] seeing none then, I'll call for the vote.
[2:48:58] Yes, please.
[2:48:59] If you could be mentioned where with section of the resolution,
[2:49:01] we would add public installment track.
[2:49:03] Yes, thank your worship.
[2:49:04] So, I added it to the last clause.
[2:49:07] So, the last clause now reads.
[2:49:08] Now, therefore, be resolved.
[2:49:10] The council hereby directs enforce services department.
[2:49:14] To provide notice to property owners.
[2:49:16] The council has directed the immediate cleanup of their property.
[2:49:18] With this, it's a public works or contractors.
[2:49:20] If necessary, and the cost to clean it, the property will be covered by the city.
[2:49:24] at the fall and address 55 for their custodial driver.
[2:49:29] Any further discussion?
[2:49:30] Councillor Murray.
[2:49:32] Thank you.
[2:49:32] We should.
[2:49:33] So I have a question just around.
[2:49:36] This is one address.
[2:49:37] Every time we're going to be doing this individually.
[2:49:39] Is that how we're handling this?
[2:49:41] Okay.
[2:49:42] Thank you.
[2:49:46] Thank you.
[2:49:47] There's no further discussion.
[2:49:48] I'll permit myself to express my position on this.
[2:49:51] I will not be voting in support of this resolution.
[2:49:53] as was stated, this does circumvent or current properties
[2:49:56] to enders by law and the processes that are stated within it.
[2:50:00] And believe that through this resolution
[2:50:01] we'll be adding subjectivity to that process,
[2:50:06] making it, you know, at the discretion of staff
[2:50:08] of a counselor of a neighbor who doesn't
[2:50:11] feel like this property is meeting the standard
[2:50:14] and now enforcement has, you know,
[2:50:19] with this resolution would have the power to circumvent
[2:50:21] the process and when no longer be required to provide an order of remedy and providing the opportunity to remedy.
[2:50:29] I understand that the current property standards by law is not a one-size-fits-all,
[2:50:33] and unfortunately there are some properties that end up being delta by hand with that property standards.
[2:50:40] But personally, I'm concerned with the president that we would be setting and with the subjectivity that we would be building into our bylaws here.
[2:50:50] That was my personal position on this, and with that, I'll call for the vote, everyone had a chance to state their position on this resolution.
[2:50:58] It's been amended, so all in favor of the resolution as amended.
[2:51:03] Point of order, why can't we speak?
[2:51:05] Because everyone had a chance to speak.
[2:51:07] It had Apple.
[2:51:08] We want to speak and so do I.
[2:51:10] So let's still, I'd like him to speak.
[2:51:12] On my count, both counselors had a chance to speak twice.
[2:51:15] Okay.
[2:51:15] Again, I'm trying to move us along in our agenda.
[2:51:17] I had asked twice if anyone had any further comments, no one raised their hands, and so I stayed in my position prior to calling for the vote.
[2:51:25] You're just going to clear, like, I get that, but if you're going to then, and I don't object here.
[2:51:33] Paying on this, but if you're going to introduce additional commentary, like, I just have a simple point clarification.
[2:51:38] is this personal waste that like this is a very dangerous avenue to go down is this
[2:51:46] identifyable like how people throwing garbage bags or is it just loose I just don't know
[2:51:52] it's it's a combination of everything what it is is the and we've got we've seen
[2:51:59] I don't know video footage of the fender bringing going around the community collecting these items
[2:52:06] some, and then discarding them on the neighbor's property by, you know, they've broke down the fence, they've, they're just kind of like they're using it as their own personal storage for junk.
[2:52:18] And they're, unfortunately, because they're a tenant.
[2:52:23] Like I said, there's been multiple agencies involved.
[2:52:27] It just hasn't worked well, and the property owner will all,
[2:52:31] We have private business owners, landowners, that are footing the bills.
[2:52:34] So thank you, I let your point of information stand so that you request that further information.
[2:52:46] Just to clarify, whether the resolution is supported or not, we have a problem here that we got to deal with.
[2:52:56] We have private business owners landowners that are footing the bill from a systematic
[2:53:02] problem.
[2:53:03] So you can add this a matter of view for a frame from speaking.
[2:53:07] I'm not going to refrain from speaking.
[2:53:09] This is a very important, well I'd like to keep speaking.
[2:53:13] I'll raise a point of order.
[2:53:16] I'll raise a point of order.
[2:53:18] I'd like to keep speaking.
[2:53:19] You can move on.
[2:53:20] You can move on.
[2:53:21] You can rule on the point of order.
[2:53:23] I'm going to call for order in this chamber.
[2:53:25] There's a point of order.
[2:53:27] Please rise on your point of order.
[2:53:29] What is point of order?
[2:53:30] I would like to continue speaking.
[2:53:32] And if you say no, I'll appeal your decision to the members.
[2:53:35] That's not how this works.
[2:53:36] It's a good decision.
[2:53:37] We could pull out the procedure by love.
[2:53:39] We need to to be able to read through for everyone's information.
[2:53:42] What a point of order is and how we actually deal with it.
[2:53:46] That being said, as I was trying to say,
[2:53:48] you are not bringing forward any new thoughts.
[2:53:50] You're continuing on the same line of commentary that you've already brought forward.
[2:53:54] I feel like I'm going to try and move this along in the meeting.
[2:53:58] This is not a classroom.
[2:53:59] This is a class room.
[2:53:59] This is a class room.
[2:54:00] You are interrupting the air while she is speaking.
[2:54:03] I'm going to give you an opportunity to reflect.
[2:54:06] I'm not on.
[2:54:07] This is not a classroom.
[2:54:08] Your worship.
[2:54:09] This is a class room.
[2:54:11] Your conduct is not appropriate.
[2:54:15] Thank you.
[2:54:17] Put your shot up.
[2:54:19] Okay.
[2:54:20] Okay.
[2:54:21] I'm going to ask for a recess so that everyone can.
[2:54:23] can compose themselves. We are going to recess for five minutes. We'll come back to this discussion at 835 for the vote.
[2:54:33] Alright, everyone's ready to continue.
[2:54:38] I'll thank our clerk for just clarifying on the words used. I did say adjourn, but I was just resessing the meeting until 835.
[2:54:45] So thank you everyone for that. I also just want to start off before we get back into agenda by saying that no one in this room
[2:54:53] should be subject to that kind of unparalleled entry behavior, and that everyone around this
[2:54:58] council table has the right to raise a point of order. When a fellow member of council is
[2:55:03] conducting themselves, you know, and again an unparalleled management matter, and if they're not
[2:55:08] adhering to our procedure by law, or they're not adhering to our quote of conduct. But everyone has
[2:55:14] the right to raise a point of order to point that out. With that, let's continue on with the agenda
[2:55:22] I'll
[2:55:26] need reminding where we are in the U.S.
[2:55:29] We need to vote on the resolution on item.
[2:55:33] As it was amended.
[2:55:35] Thank you.
[2:55:36] Point or worship or if I may.
[2:55:40] I will state that what just took place is unacceptable and not proper behavior.
[2:55:46] There is little value that any of us raising a point of order can do when you're
[2:55:50] already raising a point of order.
[2:55:51] Um, he was out of order. I agree. Uh, what took place wasn't appropriate. Um, and what took place from the audience wasn't appropriate as well.
[2:56:00] So, um, I agree with you. He should, we should not have to endure that. Um,
[2:56:08] the steps that our procedure by a lawyer to
[2:56:11] system asking to leave if he doesn't come to order when you're calling a point of order like we
[2:56:14] can have five less calling a point of order and are doing what if we want but he's not
[2:56:19] going to come to order so I do agree with you I apologize that you as chair had to experience that
[2:56:26] again and wish members would come to order when they are called order yeah yeah the motion's been
[2:56:38] moved, it's been seconded, as amended, and so it is still on the floor for a vote with that, I guess.
[2:56:47] It's just point of order to the clerk. Can you vote on an item if the mover has departed the meeting?
[2:56:54] We should technically have a remover. I'm happy to let it fall off the agenda.
[2:57:00] Okay. So we're going to move our no longer present. No one else volunteering to move this resolution.
[2:57:09] We'll drop off the agenda and we'll go on to item 8. I don't think it's worth it.
[2:57:15] It's a problem in here, please.
[2:57:18] Thank you, Worship.
[2:57:19] Move by Councillor Kerley, second by Councillor Sal, bit resolved the council proves the
[2:57:23] 2025 Council remuneration report.
[2:57:26] Any discussions?
[2:57:29] Cloth to the vote, all in favour?
[2:57:34] Thank
[2:57:39] you.
[2:57:39] Worship.
[2:57:40] Blue by Councilor Black.
[2:57:41] Second by Councilor Murray.
[2:57:42] Be it resolved by 2023-02 being about it to enter into an agreement with Janet Fleming Canada at ULC.
[2:57:48] Regarding the comprehensive transit master plan with integrated route optimization in the amount of
[2:57:54] $448,86 plus HST, being an active and fast.
[2:58:01] Question on the paper.
[2:58:04] I'm just curious.
[2:58:08] Eight, J. Please.
[2:58:10] Thank you, we're sure to move by Councilor Kerley, second by Councilor Sallow, bit resolved
[2:58:13] about a 269303 being about the entry to an agreement with MCA contracting limited regarding
[2:58:20] the rehabilitation of the Golden Avenue Bridge in the amount of $684,526.41 plus HST.
[2:58:26] given third and final reading being enacted in past.
[2:58:30] In discussion, all in favor,
[2:58:34] which is carrying M8K, please?
[2:58:38] Thank you, Your Worship, move by Councillor Wassale,
[2:58:40] second by Councillor Kerley.
[2:58:41] Be it resolved that while at 22690-304, being about it to enter into an agreement with
[2:58:45] for power construction limited regarding the water main lining of Riverside Drive in
[2:58:50] the amount of 4,950,000 plus HST given third and final reading being enacted in
[2:58:55] past.
[2:58:57] All in favour?
[2:59:00] Or since carrying?
[2:59:03] Item 8 L please.
[2:59:07] Thank you, Worship.
[2:59:07] Move by Council Curly.
[2:59:08] Second by Council Murray.
[2:59:09] Be it resolved by the 226905.
[2:59:12] Being about to enter into an agreement with Urban Link Civil Limited.
[2:59:15] Regarding the replacement of the Evan Street Bridge in the amount of 5,107,850 dollars plus
[2:59:21] HST.
[2:59:21] Be given third and final reading.
[2:59:23] Be an active and passed.
[2:59:25] Discussion?
[2:59:27] All in favour?
[2:59:31] Thank you.
[2:59:34] We'll be back from the 27th.
[2:59:55] That was a great one.
[2:59:55] We're back from the 27th.
[2:59:58] in discussion.
[3:00:01] Motion's carrying. Item 8N, please.
[3:00:08] Thank you, Worship. Moved by Councilor Black, second by Councillor Murray, bid result of the
[3:00:11] ballot 2026-93-07, being about to enter into a two-year lease agreement with
[3:00:15] while retaining clayworks respecting the lease of space in the McIntyre Community Complex.
[3:00:19] We give in third and final reading and be enacted in the past. Any discussion? All in favour?
[3:00:25] So, it's carried.
[3:00:28] On to eight o'clock, please.
[3:00:33] Thank you, Worship, Moved by Councilor Westell,
[3:00:35] by Councillor Curley.
[3:00:36] Be it resolved by the 2022-690-308 being about a two-point McKayla sov is a municipal enforcement
[3:00:41] officer for animal control, as well as a municipal investigator with the Ontario Wildlife
[3:00:45] Damage Program, given third and final reading being enacted in the past.
[3:00:49] All in favour?
[3:00:52] This is Karen.
[3:00:54] I'm not at eight.
[3:00:55] Please.
[3:00:57] Thank you, Worship.
[3:00:58] Move by Councillor Blacks.
[3:00:59] I can by Councillor Murray.
[3:01:00] Be it resolved by 2022-690-309 being about to enter to an agreement with Ontario Health
[3:01:04] regarding the funding agreement relating to French language, multi-lingual and accessibility
[3:01:08] supports, but you have a third and final reading being enacted in the past.
[3:01:13] Any discussion?
[3:01:15] Any other favour?
[3:01:17] Which is carried?
[3:01:19] On to eight queues please.
[3:01:23] Thank you, Worship.
[3:01:23] Move by Council Wassel.
[3:01:25] Second by Councillor Murray.
[3:01:25] Be it resolved by 2023.
[3:01:27] Ten being about entered to the agreement with Zamboni company limited regarding the purchase
[3:01:31] of one electric ice resurfacer in the amount of 163,000, 270 dollars plus HST.
[3:01:37] We've given third and final reading be enacted and passed.
[3:01:40] Any discussion?
[3:01:42] All right, all in favor.
[3:01:44] Which is carrying?
[3:01:47] Eight R, please.
[3:01:51] Thank you.
[3:01:51] We're going to move by Councillor Murray.
[3:01:52] Second by Councillor Curley.
[3:01:53] Be it resolved by 2020-26-93-11.
[3:01:56] Being about to enter into an agreement with the Minister of Solicitor General regarding
[3:01:59] Ontario Fire Protection Grant Transfer Payment.
[3:02:01] We've given third and final reading be enacted and passed.
[3:02:05] Any discussion?
[3:02:06] All in favor?
[3:02:08] Much is carried.
[3:02:11] item nine is notice motions are they going to be heard this evening.
[3:02:16] All right, see none.
[3:02:17] I'll ask for any resolution to adjourn please.
[3:02:19] Thank you.
[3:02:20] Worship.
[3:02:20] Move by council.
[3:02:21] Second by council.
[3:02:22] Curly bit resolved.
[3:02:23] This meeting adjourn at 842 PM.
[3:02:25] All in favor of adjournment.
[3:02:27] Thank you.
[3:02:28] Good evening everyone.